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This is a 31.25 million dollar project. It's a 80-1010 cost sharing. So 80% of this project is being paid for by federal dollars, 10% by the

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the U.T. and 10 percent would downfall us.

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So that's a quick intro from town standpoint.

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I'd like to turn this project over to Ernie Martin.

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Okay. Thank you, Rob. Hopefully everybody had a chance to sign in back there on the sign-up. She'd be great if you would, if you haven't, just to get a number of count. How many of you actually attended the open house downstairs and got a little feedback? Thank you for that. That's kind of why we do the open house is just to get information and we don't live here. I live here.

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hour that way, hour and 50 minutes out of way. We come down here, visit, look at the job,

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but we don't know the intricacies of the movement set out there from the residential area

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to the commercial. So you guys have provided us a lot of feedback so far so we appreciate

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that. So I'm just going to talk a little bit about just the project area. A lot of us know

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where it is. Based off the map, so you saw downstairs, you know we have root 302, so obviously

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We're doing some changes on 302 from River Road all the way to White's Bridge.

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For updating all the signals, we're updating some traffic patterns, we're adding an island

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from booties corner going north all the way to Franklin Drive.

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What that means is that there will be no left-hand turns allowed other than the signalized

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areas from booties corner to Franklin Drive to take those movements out.

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From there we got Route 35, we're going from Manchester to booties corner, so we're adding

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a signal at Manchester Drive at Route 35 and upgrading the road to booties corner.

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So 115 same thing. Intersection of booties corner all the way to the intersection of the

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east connector. We're adding a signal at that east connector as part of the process

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and rebuilding everything in between, rehabbing, everything in between.

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And we'll get into the design details here in a second. White spreads road same thing

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where the west side connector which is going to be an extension of Manchester Drive

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Connects into white's bridge all the way to 302 just an upgrade of that roadway 2302

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With added sidewalk facilities all these have added benefits of bicycle sidewalk facilities

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Westside connector we're gonna pretty much take off. We're meant to us to drive ends today and extend that to white's bridge

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Also upgrade the existing piece of being trusted drive as part of the project

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middle connector road part of that's gonna get developed

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from the Manchester Drive out to where the middle connector, which is going to be the third

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connector, which we're going to call middle connector comes down from Franklin Drive down

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into landing road.

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Everything right now that you've seen is very preliminary.

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We're about 25 percent.

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It's based off the study that the town went through along with main DOT to get where we are

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today.

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As Bob said, we received a raise grant.

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This kind of applied for collectively with the town.

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As Bob mentioned, it's a 31 million dollar project basically,

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and we'll get into the finances of that.

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So here with me this evening, I have my assistant, Jeff,

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to roll it back, Ethan Flint from VHB.

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He was going to talk about the design once I get done talking.

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20 grind day from VHB.

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We're all here tonight.

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We doubt we're downstairs like I said at the open house,

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heard a lot of great input from everybody.

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A lot of good thoughts, changes that could be made.

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Can't promise they're all going to be made, but a lot of good things are going to make us adjust some things that you've already seen down there

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So once I get done I'm going to turn over to Ethan

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He's going to talk about the project design of all these elements that I just mentioned and then we're going to talk about the budget and schedule

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Where do we go from here? What's the next steps?

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Now we're getting into the Q&A

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So what we want on the Q&A is just raise your hand and then we need you to come up to the podium so we can get it

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it on the back table if there are any and I pause there if there isn't there's comment cards

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with self-gramps stamped address envelopes. You can fill in other things on that, send it in,

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it's got my name on the front to the DOT, I receive those, my emails on the bottom of the

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agenda as well, phone number there. So by all means reach out to me. This is only going to benefit

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everybody if I hear everything that's going on and try to come up with a solution with the town

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to make everything holistic. It's a big change. Whatever we do out there, traffic

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pads are going to change, boom, it's going to change whether it's east, west, north, south.

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They're all going to change. People are going to find different ways to get through this area.

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What that is, it's kind of right now in a crystal ball. We got some updated traffic numbers.

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Happening this summer to get more realistic data than the 2018 data that we are now working with

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because a lot of things have changed since 2018. You know, you start when COVID, I think the numbers

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just starting to come around from prior cohort to coming back in line. So we need those.

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So with that, also there's this information sheet back there.

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It has a lot of information related to the project on there. Again, take it home if something comes to

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When you read one of those, well, means reach out to me or the town. So with that, I'm going to turn over to Ethan and he'll walk us down through the design of all these options.

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Thank you, Ernie. As Ernie said, I'm the, I'm with VHB, the design consultant, the department is hired. And I'm the project engineer for this project, and I'll be walking through you through the technical presentation. It's great to see a big crowd here. I appreciate it. You all coming out.

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It's good to be post-COVID in doing these in real life and seeing real faces again.

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Sorry.

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So this project is a continuation of the Northman-Dem moves study that concluded in 2022.

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And our design is based on the recommendation of that study.

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And as Ernie said, the design right now is about 25%.

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So what that means is we took the conceptual plans from the study that were done on Aero

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and we've put them on actual 3D survey and just made small modifications at this point to present to you.

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The purpose of that study was to evaluate, analyze and improve local mobility and accessibility,

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while providing for safety and mobility along 302 and the Windom downtown district.

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That study built upon a lot of previous studies and utilized a lot of their previous designs and good ideas, so you can see a list of the previous studies that were included.

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The project location that is probably fairly difficult from those folks to see at this scale.

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But this is 302.

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Bring left right down the middle of your screen.

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This is the River Road End and then heading north to Raymond.

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The project limits on 302.

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We'll start at River Road and extend north to White's Bridge.

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And then on Tanberg Road, the project is going to start down here at the intersection of the new Eastern Connector and extend West through a booties corner to Manchester Drive.

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We're going to be building a new roadway called right now referring to the east connector and it's

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going to be start here at the intersection of Dunbridge Circle and extending north to the end of Franklin Drive which is here.

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Franklin Drive is also included in the project.

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Across from Franklin there'll be a new roadway that we're referring to is the middle connector.

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And then there's Landing Road, which that's going to intersect and is also included in our project.

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And then Manchester Road itself is included with an extension of Manchester all the way to White's Bridge.

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And then White's Bridge from the termination of the new West Connector slash Manchester Road to 302.

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You kind of went through this already, but you can see the total miles of each segment on your screen and adds up to a total of about 4.8 miles.

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One of the big aspects of this project is safety and on your screen you'll see the existing high crash locations.

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The Department defines a high-crash location as eight or more crashes in a three-year period

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and a critical rate factor of over one and what that last part means if you're not a traffic

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engineer is basically, is that location in a above average?

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So, you know, for instance, 302s of four lane highway, they compare it to other four lane

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highways with similar amount of traffic and are we seeing more, more accidents than we expect

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There. On 302, this red line is the locations that are deemed a high crash location.

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A lot of these have to do with left turns. Left turns from 302 into a commercial entrance.

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Left turns out of a commercial entrance on a 302, or someone waiting to make a left turn and getting re-rendered.

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the intersection of Abbey Road and Tandberg is a high cross location, and these just have

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to do with turning movements in and out of Abbey Road having to do with the queue from

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to backing up through that intersection and obscuring sightlines.

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There's a firm on the intersection of 302 and 10burg is also a high crash location.

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A lot of reruns at that location and the patterns there are just based on reflected intersection that's at capacity.

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And then the intersection of Manchester and Tamberg is the third high cross location intersection.

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And those intersections have to wear ends and left turns in an out of Manchester.

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On your screen, now you'll see some circles, these circles are all the symbolized intersections that are included in the project.

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The red ones are existing signalized intersections along 302 and the two blue ones here are new

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signals that will be added. One at the intersection of Manchester and Hamburg and the other one

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at the intersection of Hamburg and the New Eastern connector. All these intersections will be upgraded to

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adaptive signals, which mean that there will be some communication between them and there will be adaptive

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as the child of patterns change and also have preemption with emergency service vehicles.

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The colored lines for the various roadways, the green lines, to note the areas where we

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are milling the pavement service and then repaving it. In addition to that, there will be sidewalk

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improvements, drainage improvements, adding some raised

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medians in some locations.

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The red locations are new roadways.

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Now on your screen, you'll see some blue areas.

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The blue areas are adding new sidewalk.

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And the red areas are areas where we're going to be adding new

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shared use path.

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So in the shared use path, we'll be a 10-foot paved path

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for bikes and peds.

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So, along Manchester, we're going to be adding a new shared use path on the south side

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of White's Bridge, along the middle connector and Franklin Drive and the Eastern connector.

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One area that's not depicted here is this small section of landing road, and we'll be adding

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a stretch of shared use path at that location as well.

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So when this project is done, there'll be ped facilities on both sides of each street, either

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a sidewalk or a shared use path, with the exception of white sprays, we'll just have

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a shared use path on the south side and nothing on the north side, and landing road, which

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has some existing sidewalk, and then we'll be adding the new 10 foot shared use path

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between the new middle connector and Manchester drive.

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So now I'm going to start zooming in a little more and going through segment through segment.

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So on the screen now you'll see the first section of 302 from River Road to the intersection of Tamberg.

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The colors on the screen you'll see a lighter yellow.

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There's this denotes where we're going to be milling the existing pavement and overlay it when you see a deeper yellow.

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That means that we're either reconstructing the roadway, building new roadway, or taking the payment down to gravel.

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Route 302 is going to be composed of 11 foot travel lanes and a three foot shoulder.

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In this section here, we're going to be widening on the east side of the road adding an additional lane and converting the middle lane to a continuous two-way left turn lane.

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to allow pockets for folks to make left turns.

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We'll be constructing new five-foot sidewalk on the west side of the road,

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where sidewalk doesn't exist today, and we'll be reconstructing the existing sidewalk on the east side of the road.

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In this section here, we're going to be adding a small stretch of retaining wall,

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adjacent to the stock house parking lot,

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And that's too allow for the grading with the additional winding for the additional lane without impacting the parking lot there.

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And then you'll also see that we're adding new raised meeting that's going to extend back from 302 to the area around Amados.

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Moving ahead now on the screen, you'll see the section of 302 from Tampered to Franklin Drive. Once again, this area will be a million overlay with 11 foot travelways and three foot shoulders. Again, we're going to be adding new five foot cyborg on the west side of the street and reconstructing the five foot cyborg on the west side of the street.

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Um, throughout this whole segment on the screen, we'll be adding new raised medians, um,

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that at their narrows will be about four feet wide and not their widest will probably

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be about 16 feet wide, um, and that's to prevent a lot of rough turn movements that are

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that are causing the accidents there.

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And in addition to that at the intersection of Franklin, you'll see that we'll, we're going

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be removing the right turn slip plane and adding a bus stop pocket there.

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last section of Route 302, this is from Franklin to White's Bridge. Again, it's going to

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be a lymphoot travel lens. In this section, the shoulders vary a little bit into the three

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to four foot range. Again, we're going to be adding new sidewalk on the west side of the road and

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constructing sidewalk on the right side of the road. The east side of the road.

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Moving on, this is Manchester Road slash the west connector. This is the section that exists

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today from Canberg to, you know, lows. This section will be a million overlay. It'll be a

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run for travel lanes and five foot shoulders. The road is actually going to be narrowed slightly.

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the shoulders out there existing are a little wider than five feet, and we're going

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to be adding a new five foot sidewalk on one side and a ten foot shared use path on the

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other on the opposite side of the street, and these will be separated from the row row with

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a six-squid S1 on. And as pre-vosey stated, there's going to be a new signal here at the

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beginning, at the intersection of Manchester and Tambur.

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Here's the second half of the West

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connector, which is going to be an extension of new roadway at the end of where Manchester

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ends today, extending all the way to Wright's Bridge Road.

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So this is where Manchester ends today, and we're going to be extending it.

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And it's going to have an S curve where it's going to be coming into the CMP right away power

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quarter.

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There's going to be connections to trails n-road, trails of n-road is right here, existing

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it, it makes its own as curve here.

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We're going to be adding connectivity at this location, and at this location, and then also adding an entrance to get to the parcel at this location.

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Again, there's going to be a five foot sidewalk on one side of the road, and a 10 foot shared use path on the opposite,

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and those will be separated by six foot astronauts.

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So, I'll bring it over to the other side of 302, this is the east connector, this will be a brand new roadway.

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Again, it's going to be run foot, travelway 5 foot shoulders.

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There'll be a 5 foot sidewalk on one side and 10 foot shared use path on the other, again separated by a 6-lanet split on.

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There'll be a new signal at the intersection of timbert, there'll be a new intersection with sambar road.

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The plan right now is for Sandbar to have a stock condition on either end and the east connector itself will have a through movement.

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We're going to re-align veteran memorial drive. You can see the existing alignment here and we're going to re-align it to better connect to the existing parking lot.

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Now, on screen, you'll see the stretch of Franklin Drive and the middle connector.

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For the middle connector shown here, we're going to raise the Evo Sushi in Stakehouse

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to provide for the new construction of this roadway.

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The middle connector, again, will be 11 foot trial rows, 5 foot shoulders. It will have a 5 foot sidewalk on one side, and a 10 foot shared use path on the other, again separated by 6 foot on us.

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This will be a new leg to the existing signal at Franklin Drive, and there will also be a new intersection at the other end of middle road, as it connects to landing road.

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Franklin Drive will be a mill and overlay, I'll let them put travelways, three foot shoulders,

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but we're still going to have the five foot sidewalk and ten foot shared use pass separated by a six foot

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that's been on, on you've said.

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Now, looking at a tambourine trail, this is on the west side, this is Manchester Road on the west side of your screen,

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302 on the right side.

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This section of Tamberg will be 11 foot travel waste 8 foot shoulders.

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We're going to be constructing a new 5 foot sidewalk on the south side and you'll see

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the new raised median at the intersection of 302 extending back.

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So I'll open over to the other side of Tamberg on the east side.

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This will be a mill and overlay as well.

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This is the intersection of 302. This is the new east connector on on this end.

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This will be your on foot travelways six foot shoulders.

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Again, we're going to be adding a new five foot sidewalk on the on the south side of the roadway.

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And adding a new raised median at the intersection of 302.

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Looking at white spridge. This is the end of the west connector slash the Manchester Road extension.

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This is the 302 on the right side of your screen.

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Manchester Road will see you've been milling over a little bit of foot travel waste

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five foot shoulders and we're going to be adding a 10 foot shared use path on the

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south side of the roadway but no sidewalk on the north side.

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We'll also be widening the road in the area of the west connector to provide for a

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left turn line turning on to the west connector.

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Stepping through the intersections now you'll see the intersection of River Road and

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302, as I stated before, all these existing signalized

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intersections will be upgraded to adaptive signals

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with a emergency vehicle preemption.

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There's beyond that for this intersection,

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there's going to be no significant changes

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to the pattern out there today.

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Here's the intersection of 302 in Hamburg.

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This signal again will be updated to be an adaptive signal.

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You'll see the dark yellow on the screen, in this area, we're going to take the pavement down to gravel.

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And the reason for that is that the DOT has seen distress pavement with the large volume of traffic,

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just deformations in the pavement wheel-riding with the starting stop traffic.

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And you'll also see that there will be adding race, race medians on all four legs of this intersection.

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Here's the intersection of 302 and landing road.

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Where again you'll see that the new race medians on 302 running left or right.

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We're going to be removing the right turn, slip lane.

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So this lane, here will be a through right lane.

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So, that lane now will be the lane used to make the right turn into the window mall.

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Here's the intersection of 302, Franklin Drive and middle connector.

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The middle connector will be a new fourth leg.

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Of the intersection here, you'll see EGLE's sushi and steakhouse that will be demolished to make way for this new roadway.

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You'll also see the new shared use path coming down Franklin Drive and Canadian,

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and connecting to the shared use path on the middle connector. Those will also connect to the east and west connectors.

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Further off the screen. And again, you'll see the new raise median on 302 and the middle connector itself will have a raise median.

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Here's the intersection of white spredge.

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This signal will be updated to be in a depth of signal as well.

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And again, you can see here that the new shared use path on the south side of White's Bridge,

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that will let'll run between 302 and connect into the shared use path on the West Connector.

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Here's the intersection of the Tamber Trail and the West Connector. This will be a new signal location.

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It's currently not signalized today.

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This is the West Connector here. This is Tamber Trail here.

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You can see the new shared use path on the West Connector sidewalk on the opposite side.

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And we'll be constructing cyborg on the south side of Tanberg, and reconstructing the cyborg here.

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And we're doing that because we're widening out Tanberg to make way for a right turn lane into Manjester slash bus connector.

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And finally, here's the last signalized intersection. This is, again, a new signalized intersection. This is the east character here.

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This is tambouric trail. This is donewards circle, which would be the fourth line for the intersection.

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The eastern connector will have a raised median for the first couple hundred feet.

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And you can see the new shared use path on the east connector and side block on the opposite side.

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So just, you know, summarize all these new intersections, again, will be interconnected with adaptive control, so we'll see some boost to efficiencies there.

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There, there will be new pedestrian push buttons, all these intersections, two facilities,

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head crossing the intersection, and all the crossings will be upgraded to be ADA compliant.

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with that I'll turn it back over to, or I need to talk about project schedule.

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Okay, thanks Ethan.

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So within that packet up back there with all the information on it, we also have a detailed

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schedule for you.

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So tonight, here we are, for my public meeting, we're also at draft preliminary design of

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the project, that 25% that we've been talking about.

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So what's next, we're going to, we've taken a lot of comments already, a lot of good comments,

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we'll hear some more here in a minute. We'll go back to the ground board, we'll go back

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together and turn on the DOT, VHB in the town, talk about some of these comments, see if

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we can implement some or change things to modify the current design you see, to make things

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a little bit better. So what do we go out to that? After that we have what the color draft

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design report, where we start implementing a little more design aspects in the project, the

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your tech information, right away information, the utility information. Along with the utility

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information is there's a separate project going on right now to report on water with

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that wastewater treatment facility. We have to dive in with them, get one more details

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on what their intentions are with the project work with the town to make sure whatever we do

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kind of coincides with what their needs are out there in the in the road or external of the road,

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just to make sure we're not doing too much

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to prop a new one is independently.

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I want to work together to make sure we do it once

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and once only.

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So we're going to be diving into that a little bit further

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moving forward as well.

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So we're going to get to that draft final PDR.

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So then you're going to see us again.

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Right now on the schedule, we're looking at trying

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to get back here February of 25.

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I think it's doable.

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As you can see, there's a whole lot of work

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associated with this project.

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And again, part of that, there's a list of stuff that's associated with what we're doing.

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There's a lot of elements that we haven't touched upon tonight that we're going to dive into

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to come a little clearer and a little more precise in the information that we give you moving forward.

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So from there, we're the race grant where we have obligation dates.

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If a race grant, if you're not familiar with those, it came from Senator Collins and Senator King,

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You know, they basically push forward with this application to get it funded for us, so we appreciate that.

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The other side of that coin, they, other coin.

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Point, they come with delivery expectations. So we have three years to deliver it. So which means I'm going to try to advertise this saying by October of 27. It seems like a long ways away it is, but there's a lot of work that we still have to do in those three year period. And the right away aspects is a big key there, as well as the environmental peace. There is a section in that hand out that talks about the environmental process that we have to go through. It's pretty, it's pretty laborous and intense just to get answers, you know, on some of the impact.

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that we are instituting out there. So with that, the constructability, that's a whole

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another dynamic. We'll have that final public meeting in February, March of next year.

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And then we'll probably come back, at least one more time to talk about that constructability.

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How are we going to roll this out to the public and how are these segments going to get built?

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What are we thinking? Again, that's another challenge on how do we build it without disrupting

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number one, the people that live there and the traffic that travels through and visits.

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So that's another element that we have to worry about.

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So looking at a completion of June of 2030, I think that's achievable.

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Looking at it in theory, I see the connector roads being built first.

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That way they'll want to see a complete traffic, which the traffic can be diverted to the side

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roads while we might need one or two lanes of that 302 segment to not allow or not to

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have nighttime work.

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I think daytime is probably the better way to go out there.

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That's Bob kind of alluded to on the funding.

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That raise grants 25 million, a federal dollars,

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and then there's state and local of 3.11, 3.125 million share.

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So a pretty good deal all the way around for both the town and the state

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to get that free money to improve all of our infrastructure that's involved here, which is a lot.

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All right, so with that, what I'll do is I'll turn it over to Q&A. I'm going to step away from the podium.

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If you want to win one person at a time, probably be best to start a line in the middle and come out one or two after the other ask you a question.

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If we can answer it, we'll certainly do so. So thank you.

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to be first.

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Hi there.

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I'm Kenshin Katama Residoon, the town, and I own a business on 302.

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I'll spell you name for me please.

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Oh God.

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Sure.

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C-I-I-N.

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C-H-E-T-T-E.

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Thank you.

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I just want to, I have two reasons to be up here.

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The first is, personally, obviously, I'm one of the property owners that the project

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is looking at acquiring with the middle connector road.

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and Eric Scherke, which is a restaurant right there on 302 right across from Franklin.

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I appreciate, I'm very特別 to some Bob and Ernie and everybody, and you guys

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have had a lot of conversations, and other probably the middle connector road has the most

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disruption, obviously, to already developed parcels, and I appreciate you guys I've sounds

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pretty promising that you guys are trying to rework it to have the best use of the land.

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So, you know, on behalf of myself, I appreciate it, when I once we have basically anglers

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that WEDC did a few years ago and they did a great job kind of working with the

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property owners to make sure that they improve the safety and traffic and work with

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the property owners to improve their lands too so that way it was better use and fit.

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So definitely out here in support of the project from my perspective obviously so

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ones were moving in good faith and I believe we are which is great.

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So thank you guys for that. I appreciate that the second hat I'm wearing tonight is

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and I don't look as good as Robin Mullins, but unfortunately she had to take off, so Robin is the president of our chamber of commerce locally.

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She had to take off unfortunately, but she just wanted me to speak on behalf of the chamber and the concerns of the chamber to make sure that everybody is aware of it.

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Effectively, the biggest concern that the chamber has for the small businesses is the median, obviously going right down 302.

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I think the concern by the businesses is it would look like North Boston Route 1 where you can only go on the way and you can't get across the road.

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Obviously in our district and in our town here we are beholden to the seasonality of it.

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And so we need to make sure that we preserve those businesses by ensuring that they don't lose sales unfortunately.

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If people can't get easily to one of these businesses then there's a potential discourage motorists and they'll just go to the next one or they'll just say

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forget it and they'll just, you know, not get that ice cream at the very clean or they, you know, won't get their coffee at Dunkin or whatever the case may be.

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So that's definitely a big concern. It sounds like with the workshop earlier that there's definitely a lot of plans going in place.

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So I definitely would say on behalf of the small businesses, we recognize that definitely 302 needs improvements to the traffic, totally on board of that.

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It's matter of making sure that we're doing it not at the cost of the small businesses in this town that really kind of make it the special place that it is.

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With that, I thank you guys and I just want to put that out there and I appreciate your time.

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Thank you.

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Hi there.

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My name is Mark Chigier, and my brother and I own three commercial buildings, 765

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Roosevelt Trail.

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So, I plan to find this building, post office building, and U.S.

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Solio building.

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Have a couple of comments, and some questions for you, but thank you for tackling the

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problem.

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It's got to be, it's got to be solved.

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There are a few things that I might share with you.

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When you guys look at the sidewalk width is what 5 feet on each side on 302.

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Why are we encouraging pedestrian traffic on that safety corridor problem?

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I don't know who can take that question, but it seems like instead of putting these barriers

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in for the small businesses, it would be better to have a turning lane and eat those that

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sidewalk with for a turning lane down the middle, assess how that turning lane works when

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it comes to crashes. And then if it's still a problem, while the barriers can go in after.

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But once you put these barriers in, trying to take them out to put in a turning lane, it's a problem.

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And from our perspective, we have one of the lights on 302 that dumps into our parking lot.

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And so what happens right now from Abbey Road is you get major cut-through from 115 through Abbey,

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racing down that strip in front of the post office and then up a long lighthouse to get to that light.

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What you're going to do by putting these barriers in is you are going to push a ton of traffic into our parking lot.

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Because if you want to get to O'Bashan or busybie or the restaurant, so the furniture store,

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you're going to have to take a left on that line, which is going to back up traffic in our parking lot.

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And you're going to force people like Eric and I to take actions within our parking lot that will disrupt.

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We could potentially disrupt how traffic works on 302.

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Because we have obligations to the people that are paying our tenants that are paying us rent

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For small businesses to make it work for them, they want an efficient parking lot, they want efficient parking.

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They want their customers to be able to come in and enjoy the space that's there.

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And so when you push that additional traffic into our lot, I could say, if I were dairy queen or I were KFC, it's a death meal for those businesses, they're in trouble.

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I know they had reached out to us and they said hey to Eric and said can you take up those

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jersey barriers between planet fitness and our businesses so weak our traffic can come through

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there but the problem for us is we do that and then we're incurring the problem, you're just

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taking the problems that are on 302 and you're putting it into our parking lot and so the safety

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concerns that are out on the road now come into a heavily congested shopping center.

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So I'd ask you to think about that and, you know, some roads, they shouldn't be pedestrian

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friendly.

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I don't think that safety corridor should be pedestrian friendly, you want to get pedestrian

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friendly.

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Definitely do it with the connectors because there's going to be less traffic running along

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there.

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But making that pedestrian friendly and adding cross locks in there, I think you're making

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worse and you're probably gonna compound the problems for pedestrians for pedestrian car impact.

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So when we think about these bypasses, so for locals the the the connector that goes from

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tanburg trail up Franklin is a no-brainer that makes a whole bunch of sense. But if the goal for this

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project is also to ease traffic in through that corridor. For locals, punching the connector,

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instead of paying for the road that goes from, I think it's landing road all the way out to

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white's bridge, the money would seem to me to be spent better taking the connector all the time.

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We'll pay up from Canberra, trail to River Road to let the locals get off on River Road by pass all that traffic on 302, especially Lake's region traffic, right?

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I mean, you guys know what it's like on Friday, Friday evening, right? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, evening, trying to get up through 302 as a nightmare.

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And that would alleviate a lot. If you're looking for quality of life for the residents of Windham and for the residents of Raymond and beyond, I mean, that kind of seems like a no-brainer to me.

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Um, bus stop was a bus stop that I heard, does that a, um, oh, do we have, is that for a school buses or is that for bus service?

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Anyone?

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That was a location, um, it's called out in the study.

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Oh, I don't know.

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Do we have bus service for, like Portland does, though, or is that for school buses?

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So we,

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okay,

407
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:16,780
okay.

408
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:27,780
So I'd say the last thing is, you know, I know it's hard to sit in here because we're all,

409
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:31,140
we're all impacted by this in some way shape or form and it's hard.

410
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:33,140
I know you guys worked hard on trying to solve the problem.

411
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:35,420
And again, I'd like to say that thank you.

412
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,780
It does need to be solved and it does need to be tackled.

413
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,900
You know, I feel like a solution to this would be

414
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:51,060
to eliminate sidewalks, put a turning lane down the middle, that's where you get the extra

415
00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:56,580
footage for that by eliminating sidewalks, not making a pedestrian friendly, and assessing

416
00:51:56,580 --> 00:52:00,900
down the road, are we still having these problems? Are we still getting these rare and

417
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:07,020
accidents and is the safety still a concern? Because once we put in these barriers, there's

418
00:52:07,020 --> 00:52:13,380
no going back. We're stuck with them. And right now, the small businesses and the gentleman

419
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:19,440
that spoke before me, you're really going to impact these businesses in a way that is not

420
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:26,500
user-friendly for them. And we already, we are. Windom is the lakes region place to shop,

421
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,660
right? So we're at, this is where people come. And this isn't business-friendly in any way

422
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:38,120
shape or form. It's business prevention is what's going to happen. So I fear for that.

423
00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:40,820
And that's all I have to say.

424
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:42,300
Thank you.

425
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:56,010
Good evening, Ingrid Lavasser.

426
00:52:58,010 --> 00:53:00,410
So my thought was,

427
00:53:01,090 --> 00:53:03,330
302 is too congested.

428
00:53:03,750 --> 00:53:06,350
And now you have these two connectors

429
00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:08,750
or every column, these east and west.

430
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:14,330
And that should be taking away a certain percentage

431
00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:17,350
of the traffic on 302.

432
00:53:19,390 --> 00:53:29,350
So if it's taking away, let's say each one reduces the traffic on 302 by 15% or 20%.

433
00:53:30,110 --> 00:53:38,350
So if each one reduces it by 15% then that's a total reduction of 30% or potentially 40%.

434
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:48,590
percent. So if you're reducing the traffic on 302 by 30 or maybe 40 percent, have you

435
00:53:48,590 --> 00:53:56,610
done the math on that, what does like with that now make it safer by having less cars

436
00:53:56,610 --> 00:54:03,710
traveling on 302 so that you might not need the barriers that prevent the left-hand turn.

437
00:54:04,850 --> 00:54:05,810
Thank you.

438
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:17,040
Hello everybody.

439
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:18,000
I'm Steve Napolitano.

440
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,240
I'm a resident of Wendom.

441
00:54:19,260 --> 00:54:22,260
I also own a business in Wendom, which is Dairy Queen.

442
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:24,260
I appreciate all the effort.

443
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:25,900
I'm taking place.

444
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:28,240
I appreciate the DOT to be here tonight.

445
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:36,000
I do believe that the goal is to try to make North Wendom better.

446
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:37,040
Fair enough.

447
00:54:37,220 --> 00:54:42,340
I'm going to try to be as diplomatic as the previous people talking and I'll do my best.

448
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:55,290
I'm going to explain to me the definition between or the difference between the definitions of a bypass and an access road.

449
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:15,180
Generally an access road is providing access, you know, to whatever it's intended to provide access to and a bypass is a route around a more congested area.

450
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:22,140
Okay, so there's restriction on an access road or a bypass.

451
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:23,980
Which has more restrictions?

452
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:30,720
I don't know if the roads are classified in that manner, they don't, they don't, they don't.

453
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,420
Yeah, when it, I don't know if this is working or not, but when it comes down to the access

454
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:41,280
roads, the other thing here, the east side, west side, connector roads, they're now going

455
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,420
to become local roads, the state's not responsible for access management, that's something

456
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:50,920
that we've been in discussions with the town, they have to stand that when they put these

457
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,880
access roads in, the uses are going to change, could change, I don't know what there, what

458
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,960
there ordinances today, but you got probably residential multi-use commercial and beyond

459
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:10,140
different types of applications out there that could be adopted. So that's something that

460
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:14,880
the town's going to have to manage once he's get implemented. I don't think there's any

461
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,300
answer to that question right now that there will be as we make our way down through design

462
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,380
into the end of design.

463
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,780
I'm sure the town will have a plan

464
00:56:22,780 --> 00:56:25,560
in place to come up with probably a better answer to your question.

465
00:56:26,060 --> 00:56:29,220
Okay, so like the meaning I attended January 2022,

466
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,700
I was thrown around the word bypass was thrown around a lot,

467
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,420
and the goal was to alleviate traffic.

468
00:56:37,020 --> 00:56:38,720
So the bypass in North Cornway,

469
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,560
it's a bypass. Do you see anything built up there?

470
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,280
No, the one in gray, that's a bypass.

471
00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:47,140
There's other than solar panels, right?

472
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:52,520
what's the push traffic on. That is not happening in this project. What's whoever is spending millions

473
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,660
of dollars here. And then the town is going to take on the burden of maintaining all that.

474
00:56:58,580 --> 00:57:05,900
Okay. I get really scared when I start seeing a minute domain where businesses are taken away

475
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:11,120
because it can happen to any of us at any time. I heard demolished waste, egosushi.

476
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,120
I don't know

477
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,120
Is that fair enough to say and take that?

478
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:22,660
No, we haven't.

479
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:24,060
We haven't gone down that path yet.

480
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,780
That's something that we haven't dove into yet.

481
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:32,580
So in that meeting, January 2022, a councilor said there's nothing going on in that business that should be no problem.

482
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:34,440
Okay, people can go back and watch that meeting.

483
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,380
So yeah, that has a concern because that's power that I feel is abused.

484
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:45,520
The main department, or the study that was done,

485
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:53,040
Buddhist corner, we mentioned nine accidents. I believe that was, it's at a three-year period,

486
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,100
but it was really the numbers were coming from the lockdown. I saw the traffic. It wasn't

487
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:03,980
sane. I've never seen anything like it. It's easy to take the statistics and then go after what

488
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:10,920
you want to accomplish and create what, when I went to a meeting several years ago, when this whole

489
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:17,680
started in the little meeting house from. And the theme was to build the main street to be proud of.

490
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:25,680
The goal was to slow down traffic. And I got free pizza that night. And that's really what's happening

491
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:30,840
is we're creating a couple of boxes. Excuse me, access roads. We're going to build up businesses,

492
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:37,180
apartments, bike lanes, and we're going to slow down traffic. In that meeting back in January 2022,

493
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:42,640
we're talking about traffic coming down from gray, it's going to take that bypass and it's

494
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,700
going to slow it, is going to take away traffic from 302. I don't think that's really

495
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:54,640
the case here, I think we're building a little city. And if that's what you guys want, I believe

496
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,480
in transparency, just put it out that way. I don't see how emergency vehicles are going to be

497
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:07,160
better coming through booties corner. I mean, it's tough right now for them to get through

498
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,520
I do have a question on the telephone poles on the sidewalks, they do need to be repaired.

499
00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:17,740
Right now there are a lot of them in the middle, so it does make it hard for people to go through, is that going to be fixed?

500
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:27,580
Yeah, until the coordination will be a part of this project, I don't have an answer for you at this point, but it's still pretty early on,

501
00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:34,820
but yeah, the department policy is to provide at least a forefoot clear with at a pinch point.

502
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:37,140
Okay, is it going to go back on to people's property?

503
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:40,920
or that that's something that we'll have to coordinate. Okay.

504
00:59:46,180 --> 00:59:46,840
When I mentioned the

505
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,680
racetracks delivery trucks come in through not every business is open at the

506
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,680
same time businesses don't go one at a time at a time at a time they go when

507
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,900
people are in there and there's going to be racetracks going in they're going to

508
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:59,700
go all the way down to lows come around.

509
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,300
Home Depot, you know, go around. And you're just going to just create way more commercial traffic in the area. And I just don't think it was well thought out.

510
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:28,200
In the morning, traffic usually just goes to Portland. So it's easier for the commercial vehicles to go in. So a raised median strip is going to cause that problem. If you had a lower where trucks could go over it, 18 willers can, you know, they can make the turns. I think if you're going to do that, I think that would be a better option.

511
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,580
Okay, just trying to offer a solution.

512
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:36,100
Also, back in January 2022, we mentioned why not do a test,

513
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:40,580
import it, signs up, so no left turn from, I don't know,

514
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:43,740
4 to 6 PM on certain businesses that you have concerns.

515
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,820
I offered to do it, okay?

516
01:00:46,220 --> 01:00:50,120
I didn't hear anything for the last two plus years about that,

517
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:55,600
because it started to look like this through something a little bit more here.

518
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:03,120
I remember talking to a counselor about this project and I was told that this project is happening.

519
01:01:03,860 --> 01:01:08,900
We need the money, the DOT said we have to fix the problem at booties corner.

520
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,020
If we don't do that we don't get the money.

521
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,900
Now, what I'm going to ask the DOT is that true.

522
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:18,980
Is it contingent on fixing booties corner?

523
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,360
I think from DOT in general was fixed in 302 in general.

524
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:28,680
I don't think there was any threats or say, well, if you don't do this when I do it.

525
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,740
It was a collective effort on this grant application.

526
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:33,320
We did it together with the town.

527
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,720
In the best interest of everybody, I know everybody's not happy.

528
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,200
I know it's not going to make everybody happy.

529
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:43,480
But the global project is going to be a huge improvement to this town.

530
01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:46,200
Yeah, so I was given an incorrect information.

531
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:47,100
Thank you, by the way.

532
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:51,320
appreciate that. So, we're going to have Metro that was also talked about in that meeting,

533
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,780
which was touched upon. So, we're going to have buses again, so this is going to slow

534
01:01:55,780 --> 01:02:02,300
things down a little bit more. Remember, Barry, even before that meeting, we met that summer,

535
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:07,040
and welcomed you. Oh, I'm welcomed you to the town. I've had some really good conversations

536
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:12,700
really by the way, and I do have respect for you. We had a conversation, you said you were going to

537
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,100
We're going to have one entrance and then have some sort of road based on a project you

538
01:02:20,100 --> 01:02:20,360
didn't.

539
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,320
I still haven't heard from you.

540
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:23,940
I know you're busy guy.

541
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:28,080
I'd like to see if that is what you're offering.

542
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,060
Is that still on the table?

543
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,180
Two things.

544
01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:40,580
Steve, one, we did that their conversation and it's still on the table.

545
01:02:41,300 --> 01:02:45,580
The reason I haven't gotten to you because we needed to really take a look at the bigger

546
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:51,780
picture of what this project might do, and then to evaluate wherever we could make interconnections

547
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:57,040
between those businesses for better access and how that would work, so it's definitely

548
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:57,520
on the table.

549
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,540
Now I'm always open-time and conversation with you, so thank you.

550
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:06,620
This project is going to devastate my business with the median strips.

551
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:13,100
I'm not a big corporation, we have one store, we're family owned, we are employee, several

552
01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:18,040
people over the years, we've been there, our families had it since December of

553
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:22,760
77 and we want to stay. And this, if, when it needs to be a little bit more

554
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:28,440
business-friendly, Dave, I know you said, when we have that conversation, you

555
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,260
say, you don't shop at Windham in North Windham, you don't like the traffic. I hope

556
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:37,840
this is going to help you so you can come and shop at our business because I know

557
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,300
you haven't been really very business-friendly, but thank you guys.

558
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:42,080
I

559
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:54,800
just like to add one point about the bus pull out because I've heard the Metro mentioned

560
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:01,120
that there's no plan at this time to bring the Metro to the town of Windham.

561
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:06,020
The bus service that exists in the town is called the RTP and that takes folks.

562
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:09,240
It's a very small bus and it takes folks all the way to Bridgeton and Back.

563
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:15,140
It's been in service for a number of years and that's the bus location that was described

564
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:26,860
I don't want folks to think that there's a big plan to advance Metro into the town, not that that's a bad option in the future perhaps, but right now it's we're talking about the RTP location.

565
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,320
Thank you.

566
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:45,250
Good evening, my name is Jennifer Harmon, and I spoke with many people tonight about my issue with this project and received many different answers and also heard many other residents had the same concerns.

567
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:52,330
so I'm going to ask you as a group. Is it too late to extend this project to do something about Enterprise

568
01:04:52,330 --> 01:04:58,830
Drive? We have created a business district down inside there, many different businesses, many different

569
01:04:58,830 --> 01:04:59,970
types of traffic coming.

570
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:14,720
And including big trucks. There is a turning lane so traffic can get in the middle of the road to turn, but there is very little breaks and traffic so people can get out.

571
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:26,840
And I have seen such scary situations where somebody's coming out from the little strip across the street where Paul's boutique, the eye doctor, all those places are.

572
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:36,740
So you've got people that are trying to watch both directions, and now they're also trying to watch across from each other, and it is very scary.

573
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:55,950
And I know that there are limits to what we can spend on this project, but I think that adding this, I don't even know the distance, but adding on to our project to take into that safety issue would be so helpful to the residents of Windom that

574
01:05:55,950 --> 01:06:02,050
that work down there and also all the families that love to go to the ice cream dug out and

575
01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:04,510
need to get out of there safely.

576
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:06,830
Go DQ though.

577
01:06:07,030 --> 01:06:07,370
Thank you.

578
01:06:07,930 --> 01:06:09,850
Good evening.

579
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:23,130
My name is Roger Cody.

580
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:28,950
I live at 105 Sandbar Road in Windom and I'm the president of the Sandbar Road Association.

581
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:36,930
So I'm here on behalf of the 132 residents that live on Sandbar and it's very

582
01:06:37,850 --> 01:06:43,530
tripeteries that extends from 115 down to a little subagulate.

583
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:49,850
It's pointless for me to sit here and say, we don't want this to happen.

584
01:06:52,610 --> 01:06:59,130
It has this pluses and minuses, but I don't want to get involved in necessarily detailing

585
01:06:59,850 --> 01:07:05,410
how it's going to be more hurtful than it will be helpful to the majority of the population that

586
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:06,890
uses the wind em-roads.

587
01:07:08,730 --> 01:07:15,290
My concern is with the intersection and the upper part of Sandbar between the intersection

588
01:07:15,290 --> 01:07:15,970
and 115.

589
01:07:16,610 --> 01:07:18,510
So my comments are tied to that.

590
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:25,650
The preliminary report showed that there was some 6,000 cars that would be shunted off

591
01:07:25,650 --> 01:07:28,430
of 115 and go down the east connector.

592
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:35,230
It was kind of, you know, a thumb read, an estimate, 14% reduction in traffic.

593
01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:43,410
And so with that, I'm faced with the situation in trying to ensure the safety of the folks

594
01:07:43,410 --> 01:07:49,730
that live particularly in that section of the road, from the intersection where across

595
01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:53,750
a sandbar to the upper end up to 115.

596
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:59,650
And so at this point, there are two stop signs that are going to be at that intersection,

597
01:08:00,250 --> 01:08:07,690
both of them are going to stop, stand bar traffic, and the through traffic is not going to be stopped.

598
01:08:08,170 --> 01:08:15,910
I understand the benefit of doing that, but to cut through a residential area, and there has to be some consideration for the folks who live there.

599
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:25,650
In particular, the folks who live at Abbey, that is a, I think it's a 50 plus housing facility, right, condos.

600
01:08:25,650 --> 01:08:54,530
And then there's the, there's a vesta housing and so mixed group of folks there, but I do know that out of a vesta there are folks who are permanently in wheelchairs that wield the road on a daily basis and with their dog and they are going there through with walkers or crutches or they're just doing the best they can to walk on their own and sometimes that's more steady than some others.

601
01:08:54,530 --> 01:09:04,110
So it's a particularly sensitive area, and the reason it's problematic is because the way

602
01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:06,090
the connectors being constructed,

603
01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:12,570
gentlemen who spoke a couple of folks ago, said that

604
01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:24,030
the parking lot, where the post offices and the pet court, etc., swells with traffic.

605
01:09:24,030 --> 01:09:28,770
I mean, that area breeds depending on the time of day.

606
01:09:29,410 --> 01:09:35,070
Today, it's already an area of concern for us

607
01:09:35,070 --> 01:09:38,290
that drains that traffic onto Abbey Road

608
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:41,870
and through Sandbar to get to 115

609
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:45,950
because nobody wants to deal with the intersection at 115 and 302.

610
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:48,630
Right? Can't blame them. Can't blame them.

611
01:09:48,970 --> 01:09:53,130
But it's problematic that even more traffic is going to be pulled through there now

612
01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:59,050
directly off a sandbar and from Abby so even more traffic on and down both of those areas.

613
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,580
To get to the intersection, not to go home, just to get to the intersection.

614
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:16,170
And vice versa, traffic that's been established around depot and in that area that's now going home.

615
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:19,040
Forks to don't live on sand by any of the connectors.

616
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:27,780
I'm going to use that intersection to get back to Ukraine, to get back to Abbey Road, to get back to 115 and go home and go to a great.

617
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:33,920
Right? So, they're not going to follow the established path that you've got set up. It's just not going to happen.

618
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:41,220
And it's a problem today. You said at the intersection of Abby and Sandbar today, you just be there 10 minutes.

619
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:45,200
I promise you, you're going to kind of at least 25 cars that are going through there.

620
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,260
And you're going to see various folks, right?

621
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:51,500
In the morning, midday, in the evening, folks are walking.

622
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,920
My life and I stopped walking that road. We stopped because we got too close to getting clipped.

623
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,780
traffic is too fast and it's not going to be slowed down by the connector.

624
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:07,160
Sandbar traffic is too fast. It's not going to be slowed down by the connector.

625
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:14,980
So what we would propose is a four-way stop at the intersection of Sandbar and the bypass connector.

626
01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:21,020
The other problem that I'm seeing is that with the additional traffic,

627
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:28,820
It's going to be pulled from 115 and from the shopping plaza that's going to funnel back into Sandbar.

628
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,440
It's a real private road.

629
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,040
We pay for the cost of repair.

630
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:40,260
And that extra traffic is going to cost our members more money hands down.

631
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:42,640
It wasn't built as a turnpike.

632
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,180
It was built as a camp road and it got tired over.

633
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:53,320
So it hasn't got the kind of base and the kind of thickness of pavement that's going to hold up to this kind of traffic.

634
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:59,060
All that means for us, we're already dumping $12 to $15,000 a year into that road.

635
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,940
Just to maintain it the way it is.

636
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:10,440
Nothing to do with the problem of soft shoulders and just the additional wear and tear that's going to do that.

637
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:16,440
We gave up the right to limit the traffic on that road when we signed the agreement with the town of Windom, the plow.

638
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,760
Was it how do I trade off?

639
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,760
I think, especially in light of what's going on right now.

640
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,200
The other issue is that we've got future plans for moving the fire station.

641
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:28,600
I heard earlier today.

642
01:12:28,820 --> 01:12:30,080
That was a good piece of information.

643
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:39,240
Unfortunately, the fastest route to get out from where the new fire station is going to be is going to be to come through the connected that's going to cross Sandbar.

644
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:44,760
got to do something to stop people from getting hurt.

645
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:49,140
One of the things that I've paralleled our members around,

646
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,940
I did it last, last June, we're going to have another meeting this coming June.

647
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:58,610
Do we want to relinquish control of the upper part of Sandbar

648
01:12:58,610 --> 01:13:00,230
and turn over to the town?

649
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,980
Fail, a agreement, whatever.

650
01:13:04,540 --> 01:13:07,640
There's a right of way through there that is tied to us

651
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,700
and then the two sections on each side of it, we own.

652
01:13:12,060 --> 01:13:18,120
I don't think it's right for the project to push the additional costs that are going to be

653
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:25,960
incurred with the extra traffic onto 132 households, some percentage of which are only seasonal

654
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:26,580
folks.

655
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:32,320
But they pay the same rate and they only use it for three months out of the year, it's going

656
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:33,100
to cost more.

657
01:13:33,420 --> 01:13:37,560
So now I'll be faced with having to jack the rates up, which is never popular thing to do.

658
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:40,040
That's why we had the town plow the road.

659
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,260
That's why we've become up in that agreement to avoid a $30,000 or a year cost.

660
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,860
So I'd really like to give the group that is going to be going through some of this

661
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:55,100
detail and I thank you for the connection to get that information off to you and I'm

662
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:59,200
just going to boil down my notes and send them to you in addition to my contact information.

663
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:06,180
But these are things, these are serious considerations for us as an association.

664
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:14,180
getting up a portion of the road, trying to come up with some traffic controls in light of the advantages that are going to come with the bypass.

665
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,660
Okay, we give up.

666
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:19,020
Let's make it safe for the folks who live there.

667
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,440
They shouldn't have to change how they live.

668
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,720
They're in the latter part of their lives.

669
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:25,420
Leave them the hell alone.

670
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:34,980
And let get put some controls in place so that traffic doesn't become dangerous in those areas.

671
01:14:34,980 --> 01:14:43,400
So those are the two things, that's a couple of other bits and pieces, but I think those are the two biggest considerations that I'd like for the group to look at.

672
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:49,920
I'd also like to know how to keep in touch. I don't want to wait until 2025 for the next meeting.

673
01:14:50,540 --> 01:14:59,960
I'd like to know, and so that I can communicate it back to our group, what's being done with these safety issues on a ship of the road.

674
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:30,120
That ends. You know, how are we going to deal with the influx of traffic and the associated costs? I for one don't want to pay the cost and I don't want folks to pass it on. I don't want to pass it on to them. I don't think it's fair. We're a private road and we pay the price for that. There are some things that are available to us from the town as a private road. And so I would really like this not to be another issue that say, well, you're a private road, you're just going to have to suck it up. That's not right.

675
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:36,920
So let's give that some consideration and I'd like some but maybe when I send to you you can get back to me

676
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:43,320
Let me know how do I keep tabs on these these issues so that I can feed it back to our membership?

677
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,760
Yeah, and also on the agenda my email is on the bottom of that

678
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,860
Yeah, so you can just send me an email if you want instead of send me a

679
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,660
Perfect. I'll do that. Thanks very much for all the consideration. Thank you

680
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:09,660
And one of the other things that we should probably mention is that we will all of the plans that we viewed that are down stairs.

681
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,900
We will be making available on the website for the time.

682
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:24,440
So we'll put them on as individual plans so that people can look at those, download them, do whatever you would like to do as PDF files.

683
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:32,860
Yeah, I also related to that. I wasn't able to get our website up and running because we have a specific page for the North Wind and Project in general.

684
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:40,000
So the other thing that you can do and I'll let everybody know that the town know and they can post on their website with a link.

685
01:16:40,580 --> 01:16:44,800
So when you go on to our website, you'll be able to sign up for 20 details.

686
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:51,120
Excuse me. So if you go on there and sign up for updates, you're going to put your email in there.

687
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:57,100
So anytime we update that website, you'll get a notification in your inbox that we're updating it.

688
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:02,180
We're not quite there yet, and I apologize for not having it ready, but surely we'll have our website up and run

689
01:17:02,180 --> 01:17:06,580
where you can just add comments directly into that website, which will come to me.

690
01:17:09,290 --> 01:17:14,290
Hi, I'm Greta Pauling, and I work for the town of Windham.

691
01:17:16,030 --> 01:17:22,070
When I started here, my whole thing was pedestrian and cyclist infrastructure.

692
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:26,610
This is what I'm here for. This is what I love and seeing things like this is really really exciting

693
01:17:28,050 --> 01:17:32,650
However, a lot of people have made really good points. I

694
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:37,030
Got to say sidewall. No sidewall 1032 has merit

695
01:17:39,550 --> 01:17:40,070
Overcomplicating

696
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:43,630
Streets that are supposed to be

697
01:17:43,630 --> 01:17:45,910
You know get you for point A to point B

698
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:51,490
We don't want to create situations where people feel safe and they're not

699
01:17:51,490 --> 01:17:59,910
actually safe. And I think the connectors are amazing. I love the connectors.

700
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:02,970
I'm curious

701
01:18:02,970 --> 01:18:09,770
as to when we're expecting businesses to start coming into those connectors because

702
01:18:10,890 --> 01:18:16,690
that's that like small town mainstream. I think it's kind of what we're pushing for

703
01:18:16,690 --> 01:18:25,290
on those connectors and that's fantastic. But for at least a little while, there's not going

704
01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:35,670
to be much on them. I'm just curious what the timeline is. Are we talking to people as far

705
01:18:35,670 --> 01:18:41,650
as breaking out? I mean, that land is privately owned currently, right? So are we breaking that

706
01:18:41,650 --> 01:18:45,770
are we selling that to different businesses? What's the process there?

707
01:18:55,570 --> 01:18:58,910
It is all privately owned, right? So it's a free market.

708
01:18:59,550 --> 01:19:04,950
Right. And what I can say, the only thing that we have talked about is access restrictions

709
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:09,810
on the collector roads. So the current existing piece of Manchester drive.

710
01:19:10,090 --> 01:19:15,070
Right now, you can only have an entrance every 300 feet or 100 yards, right?

711
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:22,430
limits the number of curb cuts, if you will, or driveway entrances, and should help to limit

712
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:30,810
left-hand turn movements and delays in traffic. So the current standpoint would be to keep

713
01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:39,390
that same 300 foot curb cut restriction on all of the collector roads, perhaps with the exception

714
01:19:39,390 --> 01:19:43,810
of the middle connector as it already has some existing businesses on it.

715
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:46,810
So that's the thought process right now.

716
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:58,710
Those businesses, just from a walkability standpoint, are we going to have like a buffer zone,

717
01:19:58,930 --> 01:19:59,970
like a buffer yard?

718
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,840
As far as the setback that the business is, how close can any be to the road? Are we talking, like,

719
01:20:05,420 --> 01:20:13,360
freeport? Are we talking, like Walmart? So, so the town has a active planning department, right?

720
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:19,120
And, Steve Julio may be still in the audience. He's our director of planning, but any

721
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:29,800
development that goes on will go through the planning process, right? And, uh, we'll have to, uh,

722
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:35,660
is in the C1 commercial zone, so that's a special zoning district that has its own separate

723
01:20:35,660 --> 01:20:41,980
requirements for setbacks and buffers, and so it would have to do any development have to

724
01:20:41,980 --> 01:20:43,760
adhere to those criteria.

725
01:20:45,740 --> 01:20:46,700
Um, let me see, sorry.

726
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,580
I have notes, but I'm having trouble finding them now.

727
01:20:51,540 --> 01:20:59,440
Shared use pads in sidewalks, both fantastic in the summer, what's the plan for them in the

728
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:04,940
how are we applying them? What's the maintenance like in general? Do we have the

729
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:07,060
plows for that? Are we getting them?

730
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:13,130
They would be maintained in the winter. They

731
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:16,770
would be plowed. Do we have the equipment for that? We have two trackless

732
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:21,150
machines right now. It might warrant the addition of a third. It has to be looked

733
01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:26,110
at and as we get further along we'll make that determination. But yeah, there's

734
01:21:26,110 --> 01:21:29,830
going to definitely be with the additional miles of infrastructure that the

735
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:34,430
takes on there definitely will be more duties that come from it.

736
01:21:37,150 --> 01:21:43,110
The other thing, most of our residents do not live in North Windham.

737
01:21:43,670 --> 01:21:45,090
I know we have apartments going in.

738
01:21:45,170 --> 01:21:46,110
We have other things.

739
01:21:46,430 --> 01:21:48,730
Other housing developments that are happening.

740
01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:59,250
But my concern is that a lot of this pedestrian and cyclist infrastructure is really great

741
01:21:59,250 --> 01:22:05,950
in a space that's kind of an island with the sea of difficult to navigate roads. And as someone who

742
01:22:05,950 --> 01:22:13,530
bikes a lot in Windom, our other roads are frightening, just like on. And I know that's a process,

743
01:22:15,090 --> 01:22:25,970
but is there an idea of next phases, you know, enterprises brought up that as far as going south or

744
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:33,830
are any sort of things like that to just make it more available for residents to actually

745
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:41,070
be able to enjoy all of the amenities I were creating. Is there a process for that?

746
01:22:45,130 --> 01:22:50,750
I think the question is, are we going to connect to all of these from existing infrastructure?

747
01:22:51,190 --> 01:22:56,370
So this is in a lot of ways, an island with pedestrian and bike, right? You know, we don't

748
01:22:56,370 --> 01:23:01,050
have sidewalks that extend long distances outside this area.

749
01:23:01,370 --> 01:23:05,750
It would be for folks in that area to access that area.

750
01:23:06,810 --> 01:23:09,930
So are there future plans to link up to bring,

751
01:23:09,930 --> 01:23:13,790
say the sidewalks and south wind them all the way up to north wind them?

752
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:15,810
No, they're not plans for that.

753
01:23:16,170 --> 01:23:17,930
Honestly, that's a extremely expensive endeavor.

754
01:23:18,190 --> 01:23:21,930
So this is more to enhance the mobility for pedestrians

755
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:24,390
and bicyclists in the north wind them area.

756
01:23:26,370 --> 01:23:41,350
I believe that was all that I had. Oh, Esplanauds. I got here in six foot Esplanaud do we have plans for putting things in the Esplanaud?

757
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:52,910
Is that just a median? Are we doing planters are we doing trees? I don't know. I'm just curious.

758
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:03,040
Yeah, I mean, we haven't really dove into those areas that with the town, you know, obviously,

759
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,760
six foot, you could do, you know, five foot requirements for tree, tree plannings.

760
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,380
We haven't dove into the idea of sidewalk lighting along these connector rows, but there's

761
01:24:13,380 --> 01:24:16,360
something that we get to get with the town in our own out.

762
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:20,940
I just wanted to just double tail on your question about the properties on the connector

763
01:24:20,940 --> 01:24:27,940
roads. You know a lot of the questions that's related to that question can't be

764
01:24:27,940 --> 01:24:31,600
answered right now because a lot in some ways we're trying to nail down where

765
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,140
exactly those property lines are and we put those connectorodes in kind of it's

766
01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:40,360
based off the study so a lot of people in the audience had a lot of great

767
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:46,120
comments and questions that are where dissecting on those connectorodes. Hey can you

768
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,100
push it this way a little bit. Hey can you push the roadway that way. So some of

769
01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:54,560
stuff's going to happen because, you know, in a lot of cases, we don't work, we're impacting

770
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,540
them already enough, you know, so if there's a way to shift the roadway, which I think

771
01:24:59,540 --> 01:24:59,800
there are.

772
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,340
A few cases, that means we don't leave them with an un-economic remnant, which we have to take the whole thing. I don't see any of that happening out there. I think it's just a matter of massage and things to make it work for all of us.

773
01:25:13,860 --> 01:25:14,620
Thank you.

774
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:35,400
Good evening. I am Gary Plummer. I'd like to start by thanking the town officials and DOT for being here for including us in this conversation.

775
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:42,380
Ernie and I go back at least a dozen years, maybe more, and on the River Old Project, I will

776
01:25:42,380 --> 01:25:47,700
say any in DOT were very, very responsive to the concerns of citizens.

777
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:53,000
I've also been heavily involved with the covered bridge, and during that whole construction

778
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,520
process, and I see Bob Bird tracking his head.

779
01:25:56,620 --> 01:26:00,740
He was very supportive, even before he was in Wendom, of the covered bridge.

780
01:26:00,740 --> 01:26:09,940
But I have had very, very good response from DOT with a covered bridge, just quick story.

781
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:14,940
I checked the covered bridge at least once a week for any graffiti or anything.

782
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:24,960
Last summer there was boards nailed on the outside of the bridge to facilitate access to the roof to jump off.

783
01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:31,500
20 years ago, I might have climbed out there and taken the woods off, but instead I called

784
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,420
the OT and within two days they were removed.

785
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:37,720
So I've had a great relationship.

786
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:46,760
The rotary gardens, we've done gardens at the rotary since 1987 and the OT has been

787
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:50,640
very cooperative in terms of the things that we have needed.

788
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:57,440
I say these things, because I'm optimistic that DOT is hearing what's being said tonight.

789
01:26:59,020 --> 01:27:04,780
I certainly agree with a lot that's being said, and just as a side note, when I served

790
01:27:04,780 --> 01:27:11,740
on the Windham Town Council in the 1970s, one of the major issues at that time was a three-out

791
01:27:11,740 --> 01:27:19,100
or two bypass to bypass North Windham. It's been a while in coming, but I think it's good that it gets here.

792
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:24,780
it's just a matter of what compromises can be made, I share the concerns of the business

793
01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:32,220
people. I don't own a business on 302, but I am sometimes forced to drive 302 at times that I'd

794
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:42,020
rather not. And it is a concern. And I guess one of the concerns is, is the process to move people

795
01:27:42,020 --> 01:27:48,040
from Westbrook to the Lakes region and just get them through a window, or are we really considering

796
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:53,940
those businesses that are vital to our community. So I share those concerns. I share

797
01:27:53,940 --> 01:27:59,100
the concern expressed about the packing lot in the North Windham shopping center.

798
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:06,900
I have a relative who lives in New Malibu, headmanor. And frankly, if it's between four

799
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:14,960
and six in the afternoon, it's probably easier to cut through Abby Road and the packing lot to get

800
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:20,120
back out under three or two. And a lot of other people are doing that. But this

801
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:24,760
problems are ready. Because if you're the fourth guy back, you're blocking

802
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:31,800
traffic at the light from the shopping center onto three or two. I hope that will

803
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:38,740
be addressed. The median is a concern that I've heard expressed and I agree with

804
01:28:38,740 --> 01:28:43,680
it. But one concern that hasn't been expressed is what happens when there is

805
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:48,320
crash. I mean, we're hoping to cut him back. Well, I'm not going to eliminate him. If there

806
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:56,080
is a crash along that section, what happens with getting traffic through that area? Right

807
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:03,680
now, they can close down lanes in the oncoming lane and direct traffic around it. But I don't

808
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,320
think you're going to be able to push people over the median if we, if you have to go back

809
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:17,140
Buddhist corner to start diverting people. I just can't imagine what a nightmare that will be.

810
01:29:17,620 --> 01:29:24,260
So I am concerned about that and I hope you know you guys have had a lot of experience dealing

811
01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:29,920
with medians and how you deal with that but that certainly needs to be considered and we need

812
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:37,560
to be convinced that you've got it under control. Another concern I have which is in that area

813
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:45,660
is 3L2 and River Road headed east. You've got that little short lane that goes in front of the old

814
01:29:45,660 --> 01:29:52,160
puff and stop, and the oil change place, which becomes a racetrack for people who want to get

815
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:59,020
there faster than the people in the straight through lane. And that is a nightmare. I hope that is being

816
01:29:59,020 --> 01:29:59,960
addressed in all of the...

817
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,980
This, and actually I'd rather see it addressed before 2030. If there's any possibility of addressing that. I do have a couple of concerns on the 302 card and that are not in this section. One of them is, do you have a timeline for the light going in it, Albeon Road and 302? Because coming out of Albeon Road, you take chances. And chances, I don't like to take, but got to get out, got to get there. And then the other one is, I know,

818
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:36,400
there has been discussion of major changes at the rotary at Foster Scana. I have a personal

819
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:41,620
interest because of the flowers there, but also I have an interest in terms of spending millions

820
01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:48,520
of dollars to solve a problem that may not be the problem that some think it is. So I don't know if

821
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:55,100
there's any answers on the timeline for 302 and Albion Road and also where we stand on Foster Scana.

822
01:30:55,100 --> 01:30:56,100
Thank you.

823
01:30:58,860 --> 01:31:04,280
Yeah, I'll look into those two projects for you, Malbeon Road.

824
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:09,420
The rotary, if we've talked about this, when you're going to Google Maps, you know what

825
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:11,020
that rotary is called, don't you?

826
01:31:12,140 --> 01:31:15,440
When you're going to Google Maps and look at that rotary is called Ernie's rotary.

827
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,260
Ironically, yeah.

828
01:31:19,380 --> 01:31:24,680
So that was my project as you know, Gary, I'll try to get a timeline for you as to what's

829
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:25,760
going on with those projects.

830
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,560
And I know you have my email.

831
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,000
I do have your email.

832
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:33,940
And will those other projects also be done like this where the public will have input?

833
01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:40,120
Yes, those those will be the they might be more of the virtual type public errands.

834
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:47,600
I'm more of an in person type guy because it's it's more productive for me like the open house.

835
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,580
And this right here we get more feedback from you who live here.

836
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:57,980
which is more valuable to me than watching or answering questions on a on a computer.

837
01:31:58,180 --> 01:32:03,380
But I think these type projects warn it, those will probably be a virtual, but I can find out that as well.

838
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:09,600
Thank you for having me, Ken Clark, Windom.

839
01:32:10,620 --> 01:32:13,020
I appreciate the opportunity to speak here, and I know all this stuff is difficult.

840
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,300
Everything's a balance, and I appreciate the opportunity to view inputs.

841
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:20,180
So we can just weigh pros and cons at different aspects of this project, which is big.

842
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:38,500
When this whole started, I always pictured 302 is, you know, the gateway to the lakes, and I think we're trying to bring in a lot of the development, we put a lot of apartment buildings down there, which honestly, in my opinion, is certainly contributing to a lot of the congestion we're just adding to a problem that was already there.

843
01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:49,520
And the other thing is when we do have apartment buildings, and I know we're trying to find people to live, we know that, but they also do contribute to higher taxes, less business opportunities,

844
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:56,020
for business people in the community and we just kind of fell out of the business as I

845
01:32:56,020 --> 01:32:59,260
think I feel being priced right out of the market. I have some commercial businesses and if

846
01:32:59,260 --> 01:33:03,700
I had 15 garages with a thousand square feet that had a bathroom and an office for local

847
01:33:03,700 --> 01:33:09,020
contractors to move into, I'd rent the heck out of them. But there's no place to put them. Down north

848
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:13,500
wind him is just the if you have a thousand square feet of commercial space you can rent it out

849
01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:19,240
for about 1100 bucks. If you got residential, you get prices much money for it. So that's what's

850
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:22,560
happening is people are just buying up the residential because the money in the

851
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:26,540
investment is so much greater return and people honestly from out of state are doing it

852
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:29,560
and these other big developers are coming in and it's crushing the businesses.

853
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:35,000
I also feel that you know to put sidewalks and who's some other sentiments and guys

854
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,500
had here is dangerous down there I mean I think people are going to be heard it was not

855
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:43,100
designed to be a city I think we're trying to put a square peg in a round hole trying

856
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:47,860
to make this a nice walk around area it's not it I know years ago they had the next

857
01:33:47,860 --> 01:33:51,660
picture of wind him down town and there was a picture of a dog and a one lady on there

858
01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:58,040
happy underneath the pine tree. I wouldn't want to walk my dog down there. Also, the buildings

859
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,960
we've gotten were close to the road. I don't think they're attractive. I'm just being honest.

860
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:08,540
I do think they're dangerous. You got pitch roof with sidewalks right there. That doesn't

861
01:34:08,540 --> 01:34:12,220
happen. I mean, at downtown Portland, you can walk to many businesses in a short distance.

862
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:17,840
The way wind them's laid out. I mean, you want to go to Home Depot, get some wood, go to

863
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:23,580
We even better get ice cream. You can't walk that. You know, it's not designed for that. The layout's not there

864
01:34:23,580 --> 01:34:29,340
So I think trying to turn into a city is just becoming a challenge and again, it's it's hurting the local businesses big time

865
01:34:31,860 --> 01:34:34,800
Okay, I'm gonna ramble on folks there with me

866
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:44,480
I noticed in one of the examples here when we had the new apartment buildings next to Tamburgs there

867
01:34:45,020 --> 01:34:50,720
I don't what's going on, but there was a fire truck right in 302 and I don't know if that's because they couldn't access in the apartment building

868
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,100
to take care of their person, whatever going on there, but it literally held up traffic on

869
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:54,960
302.

870
01:34:55,300 --> 01:34:58,880
So again, these buildings close to the road, aesthetically, I don't think we're all pretty

871
01:34:58,880 --> 01:34:59,460
dangerous.

872
01:35:02,060 --> 01:35:06,280
It's a lot of time. It's hot in the summertime and it's cold in the winter. I just don't

873
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:13,700
homage to this downtown walk around feel we're going to get. We also put the ball field, it was a good idea

874
01:35:13,700 --> 01:35:18,540
where I was thinking about it because we didn't need a lot of fields in town. But we're like, gosh, I don't

875
01:35:18,540 --> 01:35:22,300
know how many ball fields are going to have a north window. If anyone's been to gamble fields when

876
01:35:22,300 --> 01:35:27,880
turn teams around. You've got 11 kids on one team. So they got two teams playing each other. That's

877
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:32,340
22 people. Then you got the two other teams coming in. They're going to play on that field. That's

878
01:35:32,340 --> 01:35:38,500
44 people, 44 cars coming in for one ball field. I don't know how many ball fields we're going to have,

879
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:45,100
but you could talk about a congested thing. I'll use that word. I mean, usually you go like

880
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:53,000
And they got these ball fields off out out of town with a nice barn looking thing with snack bar in it and it's a great atmosphere

881
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:59,140
I just I'm a little nervous I guess to see what these ball fields are going to bring for congestion downtown in the upper run

882
01:35:59,140 --> 01:36:04,260
I mean we got six or seven there right at least by Manchester it's right downtown

883
01:36:04,260 --> 01:36:06,300
I mean it it's not going to help the congestion

884
01:36:07,940 --> 01:36:14,280
That's been a decent course development so I guess I'm saying some of these things so everyone can really dissect and think about what we're doing

885
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,060
before we just go ahead and do it.

886
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:20,040
I do live on transit trails and probably maybe if you want,

887
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,460
but I get all right to stand up and think what I will help

888
01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:25,080
my personal property more importantly,

889
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,520
make sure we think we're spending money in a wise way.

890
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,440
I do see the benefit of coming straight through and straight

891
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,820
in and out that intersection where Franklin comes across.

892
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,500
I empathize with the people on the sushi.

893
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,060
I'm hoping that building can be pushed off and saved.

894
01:36:40,260 --> 01:36:42,060
And maybe a nice little business corridor

895
01:36:42,060 --> 01:36:43,620
could go through there which might potentially

896
01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:48,840
more business to that area. I think it makes a lot of sense to bring that up and connect it

897
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,940
up in front of lows. And maybe a little business community can develop out of that and we can

898
01:36:53,940 --> 01:36:58,360
have some in this already in a pervious service. So it's incredibly inexpensive to develop. And

899
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:05,920
along that same lines, if you take like from Pat's Pizza and put a little access road behind Pat's

900
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:12,740
behind VIP behind Applebee's and pull that traffic out onto this intersection of this new revised

901
01:37:12,740 --> 01:37:17,720
It's written down in a section, you would get so many left turns taken away trying to

902
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,900
head north on 302, you know what I'm saying?

903
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,240
That area from Pat's Pizza.

904
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,540
To me, also, Pat's Pizza is one of the most dangerous corners in town.

905
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,640
You've got families leaving there and that sign blocks a lot of the vision and taking a left

906
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,040
out of Pat's Pizza, especially at night in the winter time, the snow bank is there.

907
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:34,580
Very scary.

908
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:37,240
So, do something like this could eliminate that altogether.

909
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:43,380
other. When I look at traffic patterns, I live on trails and there's not a congestion problem

910
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:47,800
on, for perhaps pizza down to white's bridge. It's just not there. You can drive down there

911
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,600
without a problem. It's not congested. It's up to say, well, they're going to come from

912
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,680
white's bridge, and they want to get to 35. Yeah, they'll do that. It's going to be a straightaway

913
01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:01,520
flying down that back road. I used to have 28 deer in my yard. I'm down a six. See if you

914
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,720
turkeys here are there, which is great. The development, but that little section behind

915
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,680
low is not power line is a great place to walk, and the deal will be gone.

916
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:10,300
You know what I'm saying?

917
01:38:10,340 --> 01:38:11,940
This is a balance to keep some nature.

918
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:17,620
I did talk to a environmentalist, and he did quote general speaking this area's highly

919
01:38:17,620 --> 01:38:22,420
developed and I am supportive of any land conservation efforts for the benefit of our natural resources

920
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:24,540
in fish, life, and habitats.

921
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:29,720
And again, with that road going parallel with 302 in Sebegel Lake, we're messing with

922
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:30,740
Sebegel Lake at this point.

923
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,000
We all heard the phosphorus problems on highly lake.

924
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:38,500
It's going to happen. You know, and don't we put up these things and we think it's all good and we address that

925
01:38:39,100 --> 01:38:46,540
Why gamble without and again? It's not a high traffic area. It truly is not and how long is that trails in road?

926
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:52,160
I asked to wallet with the square footage. I never got an answer to be honest with you. You know how long it's going to be?

927
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,240
The trails it will have a man chest at a wage bridge.

928
01:38:58,440 --> 01:39:01,180
What is it about half-mile-eaten at least?

929
01:39:01,180 --> 01:39:04,800
0.56, 0.79,

930
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:11,120
yeah, 1, it'll be approximately half of the mile.

931
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:20,240
I think the existing one was 4.44 miles, and then the new was 0.56 miles.

932
01:39:20,380 --> 01:39:21,180
So half a mile.

933
01:39:21,420 --> 01:39:25,400
And again, it's running parallel with an area that's not congested right now.

934
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:30,520
And I talked to you think, Ernie, earlier, and you said, well, a lot of people want to get from white sprues to 115.

935
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,460
They can do that, just go and stand as neck road.

936
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:34,940
Going around the back.

937
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,380
Anyone coming off white spridge and going right is going to know if it's winter for something.

938
01:39:39,940 --> 01:39:44,460
And no one that lives on white spridge road, beyond white spridge, is going to go to the north wind and be a 35.

939
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,500
So I don't believe in that philosophy, I don't think you're off.

940
01:39:49,300 --> 01:39:53,460
I take 35 sometimes even I'm going to river roads to go back on the other side.

941
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:59,980
So again, I think there's some points that we can all consider here and again some other people

942
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,120
You mentioned the monetary aspect of this road. I asked what it cost, Bob. You said 2 million. I can't be right.

943
01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:08,620
Okay.

944
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:20,750
You think that's going to be $2 million, honestly, to build a half a mile road through three, three vernal pools.

945
01:40:26,980 --> 01:40:29,400
I'll have that guy paid my driveway, fool.

946
01:40:32,980 --> 01:40:34,860
So I'd like to get that square footage price.

947
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:36,520
I'd ask for you guys for it.

948
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:37,160
I didn't get an answer.

949
01:40:37,940 --> 01:40:40,400
So what I want to have them know it's a square footage on the road.

950
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:41,520
And I'll try to be a jerk.

951
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:42,960
This is all taxpayer money.

952
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:46,820
Even though you say it's funded, we in this room have funded plans in Michigan.

953
01:40:47,260 --> 01:40:49,180
Other super fun funds that have been planned somewhere else.

954
01:40:49,180 --> 01:40:50,320
This is taxpayer money.

955
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,380
And I know by a time I pay my income tax, then I come to the town.

956
01:40:53,540 --> 01:40:54,760
I'll write all my property tax.

957
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:59,780
And then you've got your quarterlys to pay, this United States gets over 50% of our income.

958
01:41:00,380 --> 01:41:02,980
So we get a right to say, how much is being spent here?

959
01:41:03,140 --> 01:41:05,820
And just because it's someone else's, it's our money.

960
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:06,620
It's not, it's our money.

961
01:41:07,180 --> 01:41:09,060
So someone mentioned these projects could use elsewhere.

962
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:10,700
I think enterprise drive and mentioned that.

963
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:11,960
That is a dangerous section.

964
01:41:12,780 --> 01:41:14,900
So let's just sit back and look.

965
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:16,840
And again, what I'm talking about here,

966
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:20,380
I think is going to alleviate a lot of the dangers from patch pizza down.

967
01:41:20,780 --> 01:41:22,340
It's going to create a little circle,

968
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:29,680
to maybe keep more people in that little business court, a Shaw CVS, in their area, and maybe

969
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,280
develop a few little garage minions.

970
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,840
I like to do something like that, but you know, the cost of going through the stuff is a

971
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:36,700
little bit crazy these days.

972
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:38,820
So, anyway, that's all I have to say.

973
01:41:39,060 --> 01:41:39,840
Thank you.

974
01:41:51,050 --> 01:41:52,030
Hi, I'm Ken Fortnam.

975
01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:57,710
I've been on a residence on Whitebridge Road for over 43 years, and I like the project.

976
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:58,910
Everything's looking good.

977
01:41:59,050 --> 01:42:01,030
It's going to help the locals get around a lot better.

978
01:42:01,030 --> 01:42:03,870
There's not going to help the through traffic much at all.

979
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:10,730
The big problem we have here is when Raymond put in the lights on 302, about 20 years ago.

980
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:16,070
The bottleneck is from widespread road up, and it backs up right through time.

981
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:21,550
So I just curious to what kind of studies and PDRs are being done to address that.

982
01:42:21,550 --> 01:42:26,410
My opinion, that needs to be a 5 lane section with the center turning lane.

983
01:42:26,410 --> 01:42:30,130
all the way up to the sheriff's office, past Raymond Beach.

984
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:34,630
That's where the congestion is, and it backs right up through town.

985
01:42:36,630 --> 01:42:39,970
Just curious if there's anything in the works for looking at that.

986
01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:43,770
There might be now.

987
01:42:47,690 --> 01:42:50,010
That's where a big part of the problem is.

988
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:52,750
About 20 years ago, we didn't have this problem.

989
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:58,230
Yeah, I can't speak on that because I don't think that was part of the study that

990
01:42:58,230 --> 01:43:04,310
analyze this you know a lot of times when these projects come to light and they get developed

991
01:43:05,230 --> 01:43:12,350
you know it's kind of like that the bait pad and the connectivity question you know a lot of times when

992
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:18,370
these projects get developed like when that signal got put in and Raymond you know maybe they didn't look at

993
01:43:18,370 --> 01:43:24,310
the whole quarter at that point said well that's going to improve that intersection anytime we make improvements on these major

994
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:28,610
quarters does like you know three or two against a lot of traffic it's very highly

995
01:43:28,610 --> 01:43:33,690
traveled from poor all the way to beyond right you know so anytime you make

996
01:43:33,690 --> 01:43:38,010
improvements like whatever we do here it's going to create problems in Raymond

997
01:43:38,010 --> 01:43:43,970
it's going to create problems south east and west you know because I know there's

998
01:43:43,970 --> 01:43:48,030
been a lot of comments about the mobility it's not going to help it is going to help

999
01:43:48,030 --> 01:43:52,590
it's going to help mobility all the way around it's going to push the mobility from

1000
01:43:52,590 --> 01:43:56,570
it to these outskirts and cause all the problems that are going to create other projects.

1001
01:43:57,050 --> 01:44:00,690
I know we've talked about what about that project, what about this project, all we can do

1002
01:44:00,690 --> 01:44:06,070
is focus on one area and then we'll focus on this area, fix it the best we can and we're going

1003
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:11,650
to create problems around it. So that's just the way we do business these days. I've done a lot of

1004
01:44:11,650 --> 01:44:17,050
these type projects and we fix that one and say well we've got a problem here, yeah I understand

1005
01:44:17,050 --> 01:44:24,670
Because we improved this we just pushed push the problem. So it's a constant battle, but I appreciate they come and I haven't heard that tonight

1006
01:44:24,670 --> 01:44:34,310
I'll take a look at what that signal was about and see if we can change the timing. What I see here is coming in from Portland coming in from standards and coming in from gray

1007
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:36,550
That's going to be benefits for all of that

1008
01:44:37,130 --> 01:44:43,230
But anybody going toward Raymond and Cascill had bottlenecks right there and it just stalls everything

1009
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:45,570
So it's all I got

1010
01:44:55,940 --> 01:44:59,960
I'm Heather Weaver, I'm representing KVP foods, you're kidding.

1011
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:07,960
Thank you very much, Steve, pretty much stole a lot of our funder and my boss couldn't be here today.

1012
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:16,820
So I, because concern would be the median strip and seeing all the maps and the presentation downstairs was wonderful.

1013
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:26,600
So thank you guys for that. Seeing all of the maps and how we're already diverting traffic from 302, which, yes, is clearly a mess, clearly something has to be done.

1014
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:31,120
limiting any access to our particular location.

1015
01:45:31,860 --> 01:45:34,820
I could get into franchise agreements in what have you.

1016
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:38,260
We are a KFC with a Taco Bell connected on.

1017
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:43,200
Any loss of revenue with Taco Bell sales will automatically

1018
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,640
cause our brand to decouple, which would give you folks

1019
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:47,880
and random just to KFC.

1020
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:50,660
And everybody can say, oh well, you know, we'll still take KFC.

1021
01:45:50,940 --> 01:45:51,380
It's great.

1022
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,060
Personally, I've decoupled restaurants before.

1023
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,540
And unfortunately, I had to shut them down within our state.

1024
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,280
The community wasn't happy, and more importantly, the staff that works,

1025
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,160
and lives in our communities, it was just got wretched.

1026
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:10,660
So basically limiting any access to our location.

1027
01:46:12,660 --> 01:46:18,060
I'd more want to reconsider seeing how traffic is effective with the bypasses,

1028
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,360
compared to putting in media and strips first.

1029
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:22,780
That's all I have to say.

1030
01:46:22,780 --> 01:46:24,020
Thank you.

1031
01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:39,680
Hi, everybody.

1032
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:40,660
Beth Hall.

1033
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:50,120
We're talking about the commercial zone in North Windham and I very confused with what's commercial

1034
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,720
zone and what's residential zone.

1035
01:46:53,780 --> 01:47:04,480
So I think with 150 units or whatever being proposed by Shaws, we don't really know what

1036
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:09,600
residential units are supposed to be coming in the future besides that.

1037
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:17,440
I guess I'm referring to the going back to the RTP bus situation.

1038
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:26,540
And I do disagree with sidewalks and a bus transportation pickup or drop off right there at booties corner.

1039
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:34,460
So I would assume that we were going to need more than that.

1040
01:47:34,460 --> 01:47:43,660
Transportation, probably the metro and coming down the road and probably parking lots situations and

1041
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:51,640
Shopping areas would be where people should be safely getting picked up or dropped off.

1042
01:48:04,140 --> 01:48:11,080
Hi. I'm Tina Richardson. I own 35 trail trails and and 55. No

1043
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:14,740
55 trails in the 32 keys. I sorry

1044
01:48:16,020 --> 01:48:24,240
which is going to be the bypass for white spridge okay I don't have all the

1045
01:48:24,820 --> 01:48:29,560
questions of all the local things or not but I do have a concern because I

1046
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:35,100
have a grandchild that's five years old she's autistic and that road's gonna be

1047
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:41,160
planned to go right directly by our house which scares me half to death and it's

1048
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:47,260
just my grandchild. There's people that live up on White's Bridge that that road's going directly by,

1049
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:55,040
that have children. You know, so this to me might not be you guys to me. This is a huge danger

1050
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:06,360
because she's the type she has to have quietness. She can't handle chaos. So, and I've got hard for years,

1051
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:14,460
years to keep that place calm. I've even had cops come and down there because people would come down to a 32 keeps way and

1052
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:20,380
then to lies the house that we was trying to build breaking windows and you know, it's just

1053
01:49:21,140 --> 01:49:23,080
just respect all the way around

1054
01:49:24,180 --> 01:49:30,380
It's finally not like that anymore and you guys bring that road down through plus side walks for people to come

1055
01:49:30,380 --> 01:49:34,620
I have these people come and back this respect in the property again. I have

1056
01:49:34,620 --> 01:49:42,860
We have three fox dins. We're very big animal lovers. I have three fox dins down there that we love to watch.

1057
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:48,280
We have deer that come walking through the yard. Just as calm as they can be.

1058
01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:52,980
We have the bald eagle coming through. We have falcons coming through.

1059
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:59,960
We have tons of wild turkeys, tons of, we have the turtles that come in.

1060
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,520
On lay their eggs there and we are always trying to protect them to keep them from getting merged and stuff. Not important to a lot of people that are very important to us. I don't want the road myself because I don't think that it needs to be a road down that way. It's not. It's really not going to help with the congestion. That's not where the congestion is coming from. I don't know what else to say and I don't mean to sell me. I'm just a very concerned grandparent and my granddaughter.

1061
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:37,360
is the most in main reason. I'm saying this. I don't want her in danger in any way, and to me,

1062
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,900
this is causing danger to her. I have to say thank you.

1063
01:50:47,620 --> 01:50:54,620
Hello, I'm Wesley Richardson. I'm Tina's eldest son. Her grandchild as she speaks of

1064
01:50:54,620 --> 01:51:02,300
My daughter, she's autistic, five years old, she stims a great deal from loud sounds and

1065
01:51:03,560 --> 01:51:04,060
such.

1066
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,000
Any traffic noise sets her off all the time.

1067
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:12,300
She has to deal with that if she goes to school, out on any therapy that she needs, and

1068
01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:15,200
this only saves place to really get away from out.

1069
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:22,780
Every day troubles, it's home, this is the only, her only refuge is to be at home.

1070
01:51:24,020 --> 01:51:29,300
And Paul, I apologize if my voice breaks, this is a very important matter for me, of course.

1071
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:37,020
But I don't see how this West connector specifically, I don't see how that is going to help with it.

1072
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:41,700
Any of the traffic, when we go through there, as my mother stated,

1073
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:51,320
we have American ball decals coming through, much a lot of wildlife, especially turtles that come lay eggs in the soft sand,

1074
01:51:51,320 --> 01:52:02,380
especially on the west side of the poll line, which is closest to the 32 keeps way property.

1075
01:52:03,660 --> 01:52:10,520
And as we've already, as she's already spoken for, there is three properties that come through,

1076
01:52:11,180 --> 01:52:15,680
and that it goes through three of our properties, especially.

1077
01:52:17,340 --> 01:52:17,940
And

1078
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:28,400
sorry folks, this is, but we just, this you have been a wildlife boat.

1079
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:34,760
Just wrapping up, and to expand on what Ken was saying as well, it is already, over

1080
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:38,380
the years disrupted, the wildlife that comes through less, less deer.

1081
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:44,120
It's just such a serene place that we've had fourth-generate currently, fourth-generation

1082
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:52,800
tax payer in this town. Great grandparents, grandparents and parents, and it just seems

1083
01:52:54,080 --> 01:53:01,160
like theft. I apologize if that's too much too big, too big, strong of a word, but it feels

1084
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:08,680
like theft from my family who's doodifully paid taxes in this town. And that's about all

1085
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,640
I have to say on that and thank you.

1086
01:53:11,700 --> 01:53:12,240
Thank you for your time.

1087
01:53:12,580 --> 01:53:14,820
And also, I apologize, folks.

1088
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,940
I would like to thank everybody here, because this open mic.

1089
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:19,940
This means a lot to us.

1090
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:25,000
To me and my mother and the rest of my family who wasn't able to be here.

1091
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:27,600
We'd like to be able to have this open conversation.

1092
01:53:28,540 --> 01:53:29,260
Thank you.

1093
01:53:29,900 --> 01:53:30,320
Thank you.

1094
01:53:45,330 --> 01:53:48,050
I have a couple of comments and questions.

1095
01:53:49,230 --> 01:53:54,530
The safety data that was brought up there, I heard a lot of references to that, and specifically

1096
01:53:54,530 --> 01:54:01,230
rear ends, and for me, the concern for us, obviously, are the medians that are going to go in.

1097
01:54:01,850 --> 01:54:09,190
And I'm curious, how does putting a median in there prevent rear-round accidents?

1098
01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:17,810
T-bones, kind of cross-tooling, it's traffic, I see that, but I don't know how medians actually help that particular issue.

1099
01:54:18,270 --> 01:54:27,050
So I'm curious about that second question is were there any alternatives to the raised islands that are being proposed there and if so what are they?

1100
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:30,470
I know for some suggestions out here, but is there anything else out there or is this it?

1101
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:38,050
Third question is so construction is out three years with a completion six years

1102
01:54:39,250 --> 01:54:44,410
The budgets 31 and a half million. We know what's going on with inflation these days. What are the contingencies?

1103
01:54:45,310 --> 01:54:48,230
built into this thing, because it would seem like this is going to be a way more

1104
01:54:48,230 --> 01:54:52,570
whether, I mean if we've built this thing out and it's 31 today, a 31 and a

1105
01:54:52,570 --> 01:54:56,030
half today, it's going to be a lot more than that by the time we finish this. So

1106
01:54:56,030 --> 01:54:59,970
are we prepared for that? Where does that come from? Is it windom?

1107
01:55:00,020 --> 01:55:07,080
This is going to end up putting that additional bill, or is it state, public not the feds, right? So it's going to come back on us.

1108
01:55:08,180 --> 01:55:15,100
And then last comment would be the hand referred slip lane removal was kind of surprising to hear that.

1109
01:55:15,180 --> 01:55:27,000
Only because when we're talking about through traffic, that slip lane helps getting the hand referred net whole plaza and removing that and puts everybody at that light to stop behind people that may be trying to get up.

1110
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:32,320
you know, more northbound rather than just sliding in the handbrake, leaving some of the

1111
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:36,660
pressure on 302. So I was confused by that. That's all I have to say. Thank you.

1112
01:55:44,540 --> 01:55:48,000
Hi, my name is Jay Hackett. I'm a property owner on 302 and I also wrote a random

1113
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:53,220
window. Um, you just, I want to stress the points you brought up. That's slip lane.

1114
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,920
That bus stop should be on a connector road. That's so important to everybody.

1115
01:55:57,160 --> 01:56:01,680
Getting everybody off 302. My other big concern is mediums. You've been here in that a lot.

1116
01:56:02,500 --> 01:56:06,340
I don't have a problem, mediums, you just need to add to this project and add some

1117
01:56:06,340 --> 01:56:06,860
mutants.

1118
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:09,180
We have to be able to turn people around and come back.

1119
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,220
Just not been addressed here, brought it up last year, brought it up tonight.

1120
01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:16,100
You're going to just dump it.

1121
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:19,860
You're going to take the problem of three or two traffic and put it in the parking lots.

1122
01:56:20,900 --> 01:56:23,720
Everybody's brought up, everybody lives here, knows that.

1123
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:29,060
Without a turning lane or a muter or a roundabout or something, there's no way to go back

1124
01:56:29,060 --> 01:56:30,300
and forth on three or two.

1125
01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:32,020
So how far are you going to go?

1126
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:34,100
You're going to go to Westbrook to turn around.

1127
01:56:34,260 --> 01:56:35,020
You're going to go to Raymond.

1128
01:56:35,300 --> 01:56:37,680
I mean, you have not addressed that.

1129
01:56:37,780 --> 01:56:39,660
It's been brought up over and over.

1130
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:40,820
I don't have a problem.

1131
01:56:40,900 --> 01:56:41,780
Put the meetings in.

1132
01:56:41,780 --> 01:56:42,680
Stop left hand turns.

1133
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:43,760
Give us.

1134
01:56:43,940 --> 01:56:45,080
Take some other people's land.

1135
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:46,640
Put it place to have a roundabout.

1136
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:47,100
Turn around.

1137
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:49,220
So we can come back down three or two of the other side.

1138
01:56:49,700 --> 01:56:52,600
You have to do something to address turning around and coming back.

1139
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:53,540
And it's not fair.

1140
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,400
To the people that are on the private businesses that you keep talking about.

1141
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:00,600
It's not going to want an extra 4,000 people going in their turn on their parking lot.

1142
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,800
Mark, you get it, it doesn't want it, it's parking lot.

1143
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:04,700
Shaws doesn't want it in their parking lot.

1144
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:09,540
You're just taking a problem and dumping it on private land owners on both sides.

1145
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:12,460
If it's going to be a state and it's good for the town, it's good for the state.

1146
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:18,100
We need this happen, but you've got to address that one issue.

1147
01:57:18,580 --> 01:57:23,460
Or leave the meetings out, and let the connector roads do their job, relief 30% of the traffic

1148
01:57:23,460 --> 01:57:28,320
can leave no mediums and let people go the way things are going. That should have leave.

1149
01:57:28,660 --> 01:57:32,440
If you take 30% of the traffic off 302, you've already done what you wanted to do.

1150
01:57:32,660 --> 01:57:34,540
Just stop the rare engines and stop some of the accidents.

1151
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:41,620
So you leave the mediums out or leave them in, but give us a place to turn around.

1152
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:43,240
So I've got to say.

1153
01:57:55,090 --> 01:57:57,530
Okay. Well, I'm going to say it again. Like I started off tonight.

1154
01:57:57,650 --> 01:58:01,990
You know, we appreciate we meeting everybody around this table right here.

1155
01:58:01,990 --> 01:58:07,190
The town obviously the town's got a little more insight than DOT because we don't live down here

1156
01:58:07,190 --> 01:58:12,290
We don't see everything going on. We come down as much as we can to take a look when we design these things

1157
01:58:13,010 --> 01:58:15,210
But you know the personal personal

1158
01:58:15,210 --> 01:58:18,230
Personal effects of what we do is important to me

1159
01:58:18,230 --> 01:58:21,170
What we do this I can't say we're gonna fix everybody's personal

1160
01:58:21,170 --> 01:58:26,770
Personal thoughts tonight, but I think there are some things that can surely correct the bulk of them

1161
01:58:26,770 --> 01:58:31,970
Like we've talked about these are just pretty much based off that concept that was done during the planning for

1162
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:36,110
process. A lot of the stuff wasn't dove in at that level because typically they don't

1163
01:58:36,110 --> 01:58:40,910
dive that deep into this type of stuff that we're talking about tonight. So it's my job

1164
01:58:40,910 --> 01:58:46,310
or DOT's job or you know collectively up here with working with the town to collectively

1165
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:52,210
put these thoughts on paper and come over something that I think will work. I feel confident

1166
01:58:52,210 --> 01:58:57,850
that we can. You know we're not going to fix everybody's concerns as impossible.

1167
01:59:01,450 --> 01:59:01,970
There's

1168
01:59:01,970 --> 01:59:07,090
why trying to do something like this. But again, thank you all for coming. You all have my

1169
01:59:07,090 --> 01:59:13,450
information in Bob's information. We're probably the points of contact for DOT in Bob for the

1170
01:59:13,450 --> 01:59:19,710
town. We're still listening. You know, from tonight we have a lot to digest. We'll get together as a team

1171
01:59:19,710 --> 01:59:22,970
Pull it together, so thanks again for coming.