[0:54] >> Good evening. Gonna call
[0:56] to order a meeting of the
[0:58] Planning Commission for March
[1:00] 25, 2025. Madam Secretary, can
[1:01] we have a roll call, please?
[1:02] >>[CALLING ROLL]
[1:18] >> I pledge allegiance to the
[1:19] Flag of the United States of
[1:21] America and to the Republic
[1:22] for which it stands, one
[1:24] Nation under God, indivisible,
[1:25] with liberty and justice
[1:27] for all.
[1:30] >> Thank you.
[1:33] Moving on to item four,
[1:34] conflict
[1:35] of interest declarations. Do
[1:37] any commissioners have any
[1:38] conflicts with the agenda?
[1:40] Seeing none. Move on
[1:42] to item five, changes
[1:43] to the agenda. Director
[1:45] Streeter, are there any changes
[1:46] to the agenda tonight?
[1:47] >> There are no changes
[1:48] to the agenda, Chair.
[1:50] >> Thank you. Moving on to
[1:52] Item 6, presentations. Item
[1:54] 6.1. We'll have a presentation
[1:55] on the Windsor active
[1:57] transportation plan. Mr.
[2:00] Euphret is here
[2:01] to introduce this item.
[2:13] >> Good afternoon, Chair
[2:14] Kubota, Planning commissioners.
[2:16] Carl Euphret with Public
[2:17] Works. I'm here tonight
[2:32] in place of Alejandro Perez,
[2:34] our senior civil engineer who
[2:36] manages the transportation
[2:37] group for the town. And
[2:38] Alejandro has managed this
[2:39] project. He couldn't be here
[2:41] tonight. My main focus right
[2:42] now is actually just
[2:44] to introduce Barry Bergman
[2:47] from W Trans, who has assisted
[2:48] in developing this plan. And
[2:51] we'll be providing the
[2:52] presentation tonight
[2:53] at the very end. There'll be
[2:55] questions, we'll take notes,
[2:56] answer any questions we can,
[2:58] and carry forward. So
[2:59] with that, I'll turn it over
[3:00] to Barry.
[3:02] >> Thank you, Carl. Pleasure
[3:03] to be here tonight and
[3:05] to share the overview of the
[3:06] active transportation plan
[3:07] with you. And there's a lot
[3:10] in there. It's
[3:12] kind
[3:14] of a high level overview, but I
[3:16] welcome any questions and
[3:18] comments once we get through.
[3:19] So I just want to start out by
[3:21] saying that this plan really
[3:22] marks a shift in active
[3:24] transportation planning
[3:27] for the town of Windsor. And
[3:28] that really reflects kind of
[3:30] what's happening more broadly
[3:31] just in the state of the
[3:33] practice and the development of
[3:35] complete streets and I'm sure
[3:36] just the kinds
[3:38] of facilities you've seen
[3:40] in town here and elsewhere
[3:41] in the area. Historically, the
[3:43] common practice was really
[3:45] to just add a bike lane stripe
[3:47] on the road where there was
[3:48] space available. And it really
[3:50] just became a situation where
[3:52] people realized that most
[3:54] people just don't feel
[3:55] comfortable biking
[3:57] in those kinds of facilities.
[3:59] Unless they're, you know,
[4:01] really more dedicated cyclists.
[4:03] And it's not appropriate
[4:04] for all ages. And so,
[4:06] so there's been a trend toward
[4:08] designing more protected
[4:10] facilities. And that was a big
[4:12] thrust of what we
[4:13] wanted to do here.
[4:15] So, this plan was undertaken
[4:17] with, with urging from council
[4:19] to emphasize more protected
[4:20] facilities and also
[4:21] on the pedestrian side,
[4:23] to look at crossings that are
[4:25] currently uncontrolled, so
[4:26] where there's no stop signs or
[4:28] signals, and to get
[4:29] across the major streets. So
[4:31] this is the purpose of
[4:37] the active transportation plan.
[4:39] The recommendations combine
[4:41] several things. We started with
[4:42] the projects that were
[4:43] identified in the 2014
[4:45] Bicycle Pedestrian Master Plan
[4:47] and then incorporated
[4:49] recommendations from numerous
[4:50] recent plans that were done.
[4:55] As I said, we were focusing
[4:58] on more protected facilities,
[4:59] what we call low traffic stress
[5:01] bicycle facilities,
[5:03] and then looking for places to
[5:04] enhance uncontrolled pedestrian
[5:06] crossings. A couple
[5:07] of the really important reasons
[5:09] for doing something
[5:10] like this is one, to have this
[5:12] documented enables it's a lot
[5:14] easier to condition incoming
[5:15] development,
[5:17] to provide facilities
[5:18] along the frontages, and also
[5:19] provides support and
[5:21] eligibility
[5:23] for grant funding,
[5:25] which is a big way a lot
[5:26] of these projects get funded.
[5:29] So just a little bit
[5:30] of background. This is just
[5:32] commute data, which is most
[5:34] of the data we have
[5:35] about transportation. You can
[5:38] see the biking and walking
[5:40] percentages are quite low,
[5:43] but that leaves out a lot
[5:45] of trips. And so we have some
[5:46] other data. This was based
[5:48] on big data collected
[5:49] from mobile devices, looking
[5:51] at all trips. And so we look
[5:53] at 10% of trips were under 1
[5:54] mile in Windsor, 20% were 1
[5:56] to 2 miles, and 27% were 2 to
[5:58] 5 miles. So take that
[6:00] together we have more than half
[6:02] trips or less than five miles.
[6:03] So not all of those trips
[6:05] obviously would be bicycling
[6:07] walking trips, but we could
[6:08] certainly imagine significant
[6:10] increase over what's currently
[6:12] out there. There was some
[6:14] outreach done as part
[6:16] of this project. We had a
[6:18] project website where people
[6:20] could log on, get information,
[6:22] and then provide their input
[6:23] and express their concerns. It
[6:25] included an interactive map so
[6:27] people are able to go
[6:29] in and put a pin down, write
[6:31] comments, comment
[6:33] on other people's comments. So
[6:34] that was a valuable source
[6:36] of input. This is a word cloud
[6:37] was collected from all the
[6:40] comments that was generated.
[6:42] So the larger ones are the ones
[6:44] that were more dominant and not
[6:45] too surprisingly, things
[6:47] like traffic and school. And
[6:50] you can see several familiar
[6:53] street names popping up there.
[6:55] So there was definitely some
[6:57] consistent patterns that
[6:58] emerged. So to identify the
[7:01] bicycle improvements,
[7:03] we looked at a number
[7:05] of different factors. This map
[7:06] here on the left shows where
[7:08] There were clusters of
[7:10] collisions involving
[7:13] pedestrians and bicyclists. So
[7:15] you can see a lot of them,
[7:17] particularly along old
[7:18] Redwood Highway, Windsor
[7:20] River Road. And then
[7:22] on the map on the right,
[7:25] just those. A lot
[7:27] of the key destinations,
[7:28] places that people would want
[7:30] to be able to access using
[7:31] walking and bicycling. So
[7:34] shopping centers, schools,
[7:36] parks, center of town, just,
[7:39] but, you know,
[7:41] covers a pretty broad range
[7:42] of the town. And those are
[7:43] things that we looked
[7:45] at when we try
[7:46] to evaluate proposed projects.
[7:48] Just wanted
[7:49] to introduce a little jargon
[7:50] for those of you who may not be
[7:52] familiar. So there are six
[7:53] classifications of bicycle
[7:55] facilities that we're talking
[7:56] about and I will show you some
[7:58] images
[8:00] to give you a better sense
[8:01] for those who are not familiar
[8:02] with it. Class one,
[8:04] multi use paths. Class two are
[8:06] the standard bike lanes. Just a
[8:07] road stripe that's over near
[8:09] Foothill regional park. Class
[8:11] 2B is a buffered bike lane. So
[8:12] where you have some separation
[8:14] between the bike lane and the
[8:16] roadway, and that's a Windsor
[8:18] Road. So it's a higher speed
[8:20] environment. Class 3 is where
[8:23] bicyclists mix
[8:25] with vehicle traffic. So it's
[8:27] typically a slower environment.
[8:29] So there's less
[8:30] of a speed differential. And
[8:34] then we have a bicycle
[8:36] boulevard, which is also
[8:39] something where bicycles mix
[8:40] with vehicle traffic. And the
[8:42] difference between a bicycle
[8:43] boulevard and a standard bike
[8:45] route is that typically there's
[8:47] some sort
[8:48] of traffic calming measures
[8:50] in there
[8:52] to reduce the vehicle speeds.
[8:54] And then we have Class 4, which
[8:55] is similar
[8:57] to the one I showed previously
[8:59] with the buffer. But the
[9:00] difference is that there's a
[9:02] vertical element. It's
[9:04] typically a bollard or
[9:06] sometimes a curb and that sort
[9:08] of thing. So this one's on
[9:09] Brooks Road South. Just kind
[9:11] of explain the rationale
[9:12] for how we would, how we went
[9:14] about constructing the
[9:15] recommendations. These numbers
[9:16] are based on a survey,
[9:18] a national survey
[9:19] of people just how they thought
[9:21] of themselves in terms
[9:22] of bicycling. So you can see
[9:23] that 1% put themselves in the
[9:25] strong and fearless category,
[9:26] meaning they're basically
[9:29] comfortable biking anywhere.
[9:30] Then they have the enthused and
[9:31] confident, so also somewhat
[9:33] confident,
[9:34] comfortable bicycling
[9:36] in traffic. The number that
[9:37] really jumps out is the 60%,
[9:39] interested but concerned. So
[9:40] people who really are deterred
[9:42] from bicycling because
[9:43] of potential problems
[9:45] with traffic. And then there's
[9:50] 33% who basically have no
[9:51] interest or perhaps no ability
[9:53] to bicycle. So that's not a
[9:54] group that we need
[9:56] to be thinking about. It's just
[9:58] not going
[9:59] to make a difference.
[10:01] But 60%, that's the group that
[10:02] we're really trying to go
[10:03] after here with having these
[10:05] more protected facilities to
[10:07] provide an environment that
[10:08] attracts the broadest number
[10:10] of users possible. And we can
[10:12] get hopefully some substantial
[10:13] increases in usage. So this is
[10:15] just showing how different
[10:16] types
[10:18] of facilities are selected
[10:20] for different roadways. You
[10:21] know, obviously you have
[10:23] to consider a lot
[10:24] of different factors. Often
[10:26] there's just not the space
[10:30] available, but ideally. So the
[10:32] dark blue area starts at
[10:34] around 35 miles an hour. And
[10:36] then on the vertical axis
[10:37] you've got the traffic volume,
[10:39] so about 7,000 vehicles per
[10:41] day. And so the higher the
[10:42] volume, the higher the speed.
[10:43] You want more protection. So
[10:45] either a shared use path or a
[10:46] separated bike lane or some
[10:48] kind of. Some kind
[10:50] of just that protection, then
[10:51] you have slightly lower speeds
[10:53] and lower volumes. Buffered
[10:54] bike lane is the preferred
[10:55] treatment. And then when you
[10:57] get down
[10:59] to the lowest volumes,
[11:01] less than 3,000 a day,
[11:02] less than 25 miles an hour,
[11:04] that's more an opportunity
[11:06] where bicyclists and vehicles
[11:08] can share the road. So getting
[11:11] that speed differential
[11:12] down is really important.
[11:16] Bicycle parking is an important
[11:17] thing to consider here.
[11:18] There's certainly a lot
[11:20] of racks available,
[11:22] particularly around the town
[11:23] of Green, right around here.
[11:25] But we also want
[11:26] to expand that to look more at
[11:28] parking that could be provided
[11:30] by employers,
[11:32] which might require. So it'd be
[11:34] longer term throughout the day,
[11:35] so might require more
[11:37] protection,
[11:38] so they're less vulnerable to
[11:40] weather and theft and that sort
[11:41] of thing. So we have some
[11:43] recommendations around that.
[11:44] On the pedestrian side,
[11:46] we're looking
[11:49] at a few different types
[11:50] of facilities. On the left you
[11:53] can see that's the intersection
[11:54] of Windsor Road at Ryman. And
[11:56] that's a rectangular rapid
[11:59] flashing beacon. And so those
[12:02] are used as their push button
[12:04] activated, they'll flash and
[12:06] they have a very high rate
[12:08] of yielding of motorists, much
[12:10] higher than when they're not
[12:12] present. The second shot is
[12:14] of a curb extension. So that
[12:19] reduces the crossing distance
[12:21] and gets pedestrians in a
[12:23] position where they can be more
[12:24] easily seen by motorists. And
[12:26] the third one,
[12:29] there's also the flashing
[12:30] beacon there,
[12:33] that's up the freeway
[12:34] on ramp,
[12:35] but it has a raised crosswalk.
[12:37] So it's similar
[12:38] to a speed hump,
[12:39] but a little flatter,
[12:41] but provides requires motors
[12:43] to slow
[12:44] down as they're crossing,
[12:48] a bicycle pedestrian facility.
[12:50] So the project recommendations
[12:52] to prioritize the projects,
[12:54] we group the projects
[12:56] in three different groups. So
[12:57] with trail projects,
[13:00] like I said, this was really a
[13:02] focused update. And so the
[13:04] trails. The city's trail study
[13:07] that was done a few years ago
[13:08] took A highly detailed look at
[13:10] the trail projects and did an
[13:11] analysis based on a number
[13:15] of factors. And so we didn't
[13:17] want
[13:19] to throw that good work away.
[13:20] But so projects that still had
[13:22] not been constructed,
[13:24] we basically carried forward
[13:26] into the current plan on street
[13:28] bicycle projects and pedestrian
[13:30] crossing improvements. We
[13:32] didn't want to. It is an apples
[13:33] and oranges kind of thing.
[13:35] But the types
[13:37] of criteria we're using,
[13:38] whether they provide access
[13:40] to major destinations, so
[13:41] hopefully that reflects some
[13:43] level of usage, network
[13:45] connectivity. I think
[13:47] particularly where you're
[13:48] talking
[13:49] about bicycle projects, if you
[13:51] have a bicycle facility and
[13:52] then you suddenly ends or it
[13:54] becomes a much less protected
[13:56] facility, that for a lot
[13:57] of users may be enough
[13:59] to deter them
[14:00] from using it altogether.
[14:02] So just to have more
[14:04] interconnected system address
[14:06] safety issues. So we looked at
[14:07] the collision history where
[14:09] there was more of a need to
[14:10] that and the warrant analysis
[14:12] that's for the
[14:13] pedestrian side,
[14:15] when we look at where
[14:16] to put those flashing beacons,
[14:19] we look at things
[14:21] like the vehicle speed, the
[14:22] volume, the number
[14:24] of pedestrians anticipated, and
[14:25] there's a mathematical form
[14:27] formula that determines whether
[14:30] that's a good treatment
[14:31] for that type of location. And
[14:33] then community support,
[14:35] we look to see which was
[14:37] previously identified
[14:39] in other plans and
[14:41] through a public process. And
[14:42] then we also gave some extra
[14:43] weight on the bicycle side for
[14:44] those facilities that did
[14:45] provide some separation. So the
[14:47] class 2B, the striped bike,
[14:48] the buffered bike lane, or the
[14:49] class four are the ones that
[14:51] had the vertical element
[14:52] in there. So looking
[14:53] at the total
[14:55] of the recommendations, the
[14:56] trails, there are 18.8 miles
[14:57] of trail segments for the
[14:59] on street bicycle facilities,
[15:01] a total of 24.5 miles. If you
[15:03] total up, you look
[15:05] at the buffered bike lanes. So
[15:07] the Class 2B is 3.2 miles. The
[15:08] separated bike lanes, the
[15:10] Class 4 is 10.2 miles,
[15:12] and the Class 2 or Class 4,
[15:13] that requires a little more
[15:14] study because sometimes whether
[15:16] you can put a barrier
[15:17] in there, you'd have to look
[15:20] at driveways and other kinds
[15:21] of factors. That just requires
[15:23] a little more study. But when
[15:25] you combine those three things,
[15:26] that's about 17 miles
[15:28] of bikeway out of the 24. So it
[15:30] was definitely an emphasis on
[15:31] those more protected facilities
[15:33] for pedestrians. We looked
[15:34] at third 33 enhanced crossings,
[15:36] and a lot of those are those
[15:37] flashing beacons or other kinds
[15:39] of things where there might be
[15:42] medians. And then there were
[15:44] several sidewalk apps
[15:47] along major streets that we,
[15:49] that we included
[15:51] in the recommendations.
[15:55] After doing the prioritization,
[15:59] we took the kind
[16:03] of the top tier
[16:05] of projects and presented them
[16:09] to the public and tried
[16:11] to see, well, which of those
[16:13] projects do people feel most
[16:14] strongly about
[16:16] to help guide staff
[16:17] in pursuing funding. And also
[16:19] it's something that can be used
[16:21] in a grant application to help
[16:22] support and demonstrate that
[16:24] the public is in favor
[16:25] of these types of projects. So
[16:27] the lines on there, the blue
[16:29] segments represent the priority
[16:31] bike projects and the numbers
[16:33] are the locations
[16:34] of the pedestrian crossings.
[16:37] So here's a list of those. So
[16:40] you can see Old Redwood
[16:42] Highway, Shiloh Road, Arata
[16:44] Star Road. So I think the
[16:46] streets that most people would
[16:48] predict that they would be
[16:51] in favor of and these are the
[16:53] ones where via usage and where
[16:55] there is the opportunity
[16:57] to put in these facilities.
[17:00] The numbers with the circles
[17:02] are the pedestrian projects.
[17:04] You can see that it's like on
[17:07] Shiloh Road on the bottom you
[17:13] can see it says bike project
[17:16] number seven. So it's a little
[17:19] hard to see. That
[17:22] on the next page. So these are
[17:25] the pedestrian projects
[17:27] in order. And the particular
[17:29] intersections, you can see
[17:31] there's different types
[17:32] of treatments recommended.
[17:34] There are FBs, the flashing
[17:36] beacons, curb extensions,
[17:38] crosswalks,
[17:39] various treatments. There were
[17:41] several other recommendations
[17:43] aside
[17:44] from the specific projects. As
[17:46] I mentioned before,
[17:47] we were looking
[17:48] at bicycle parking. And so what
[17:50] most jurisdictions have
[17:51] traditionally done
[17:53] around bike parking is to
[17:55] require bike parking as a
[17:56] percentage of the total parking
[17:58] requirements, let's say 10%.
[17:59] And what we wanted to do was
[18:01] to look in a more nuanced way
[18:03] at the needs
[18:04] for specific land uses. So
[18:06] for retail, for office,
[18:08] what types of bike parking
[18:10] would be appropriate? So
[18:11] for example,
[18:13] bike racks would be fine for
[18:15] retail customers who wouldn't
[18:17] be there for maybe more than an
[18:19] hour or two. But
[18:20] for an employee who's going
[18:22] to be there for eight hours,
[18:24] they're going
[18:25] to want some sort
[18:27] of a protected facility, a
[18:29] locked, you know,
[18:31] locker or a room or something
[18:32] like that. So there were some
[18:34] established, some, some, some
[18:36] approaches that have been
[18:38] taken. We included a sample in
[18:40] there and it's really something
[18:42] that needs to be Windsor
[18:44] specific. But it was least we
[18:45] provide some guidance as a
[18:47] place to start. We also
[18:49] recommend that the town
[18:50] continue to support the Safe
[18:52] Routes to School programming.
[18:53] That's really gotten a
[18:55] lot of participation and, and
[18:57] it's especially as new
[18:59] facilities come online
[19:01] to get children more
[19:02] comfortable
[19:04] with using them and also
[19:07] to look at opportunities
[19:09] for reducing speeding. Part
[19:11] of that
[19:13] through enforcement and also
[19:15] with the passage of AB
[19:17] 43, which provides the towns
[19:18] more flexibility
[19:20] to reduce speed limits and
[19:22] at selected locations. So that
[19:23] in itself is a whole other
[19:26] process And I know it's just
[19:27] starting to be implemented
[19:28] in different places
[19:30] around the area. Just wanted
[19:31] to show a map of the network. I
[19:32] don't know if anyone's had a
[19:33] chance to review the plan
[19:35] to put it online. It's a little
[19:36] hard to see at this scale,
[19:37] but it does give you a sense of
[19:39] where the coverage and the
[19:40] types
[19:41] of facilities. I did zoom
[19:42] in a little bit. So if you want
[19:44] to take a closer look and ask
[19:45] some questions. This is the
[19:46] northern part of town and then
[19:48] we have the southern part
[19:50] of town. Pedestrian
[19:52] improvements. These were the
[19:55] intersection locations. You can
[19:57] see a lot along Old Redwood
[20:00] highway, in particular Star
[20:02] Road. And that's all I've got.
[20:04] I do have copies of the
[20:08] project list as a table and so
[20:13] just wanted to share that
[20:15] in case you want to have that
[20:17] in front of you.
[20:21] >> Thank you very much. This
[20:28] time we're going to open it up
[20:29] to the commissioners
[20:31] for questions of stop.
[20:37] Commission Rennie, go
[20:39] ahead.
[20:41] >> When you're talking about
[20:43] parking facilities or
[20:45] bicycling, a lot of communities
[20:47] and I think we only have one,
[20:48] have tool stations kind of
[20:49] along the main corridors
[20:51] to be available for cyclists.
[20:52] Are those considered
[20:55] in these plans? Or either water
[20:58] stations or tool stations
[21:00] along these routes. So I think
[21:03] that's be very favorable.
[21:07] >> Yeah, it's not something we
[21:09] currently have in there, but we
[21:10] could certainly add that. I
[21:12] mean, I know I have seen them
[21:13] around. I think
[21:14] in certain places they've,
[21:16] they've been well received. I
[21:18] have heard people express
[21:19] concerns
[21:22] about them getting vandalized.
[21:24] So I think the location
[21:25] probably needs to be consider
[21:26] pretty carefully.
[21:28] >> Yeah, the location probably
[21:29] does make a difference. I just
[21:30] have two that I pass from time
[21:31] to time here on the town Green
[21:32] and then on north street and
[21:33] Healdsburg, which is right, I
[21:35] think, right next to Town
[21:37] Hall. So it probably is a
[21:38] favorable location. And that
[21:40] one has a bike pump where some
[21:42] of the other locations don't.
[21:46] It's a pretty nice amenity. If
[21:48] we're looking
[21:49] at really supporting cyclists,
[21:50] both those in the community and
[21:51] those visiting passing through,
[21:53] those are really favorable
[21:54] amenities to consider.
[22:06] >> I have something quick. I
[22:08] was looking
[22:09] through the table and
[22:10] through the presentation,
[22:11] and there's one area of town
[22:13] that I don't see really
[22:14] represented well on here,
[22:15] and that's Conde Lane, where
[22:16] there is really no sidewalk or
[22:18] bike lane to speak of. It's a
[22:19] little isolated because I think
[22:21] it's a retirement. Mobile homes
[22:22] pretty much down there.
[22:24] Approaching Bell Road. And it
[22:25] may be something to do
[22:26] with outreach
[22:27] in the surveys and kind
[22:29] of those responses, But I
[22:30] believe that particular area
[22:31] of town is kind of isolated
[22:32] because there isn't a walk
[22:34] around to get
[22:35] to the town green, which would
[22:37] probably be the closest
[22:39] on the list
[22:40] of things you presented.
[22:41] >> Are you talking
[22:42] about a particular part of
[22:43] Condi Lane or?
[22:45] >> It'd probably be from Bell
[22:46] Road north to connecting up
[22:47] where the bowling alley is?
[22:49] >> Yeah, we have. I think there
[22:50] is a recommendation
[22:53] along pretty much the entirety
[22:54] of Conde Lane.
[22:56] >> But I think it's hard
[22:59] to see on this. Chair, I
[23:01] could say it is Conde Lane,
[23:03] but one of my comments was they
[23:06] got class one. And then, oh,
[23:07] boy,
[23:10] I am ferociously colorblind.
[23:11] So these drive me nuts. So I
[23:13] think you got Class 1
[23:15] on there. Maybe Class 2.
[23:17] >> 2B.
[23:19] >> 2 or 2B from Bell Road
[23:21] south.
[23:23] >> Yeah, if I could jump
[23:24] on that. I think I live
[23:25] in that area. That should be an
[23:27] absolutely protected bike lane.
[23:28] There are a lot of people who
[23:29] use motorized wheelchairs who
[23:31] go on Conde and there's plenty
[23:34] of space there. There's a
[23:36] desire path, you know, a foot
[23:37] off the lane that goes all the
[23:39] way up.
[23:41] >> Are you talking about the
[23:43] southern section there or. I'm
[23:44] just. I know the
[23:45] characteristics change the
[23:47] road, Conde.
[23:48] >> Essentially from. Once you
[23:50] get about a quarter mile past
[23:51] Mitchell heading north.
[23:53] >> Okay.
[23:57] >> Then you have a very wide
[23:59] shoulder that you can see
[24:01] people traverse all the time.
[24:02] And a lot of them are elderly
[24:03] and use mobility devices.
[24:06] >> So it'd be the,
[24:09] like the frontage of where
[24:11] Windsor Waterworks would have
[24:13] been.
[24:14] >> The mobile home all the way
[24:15] past Conde Vet North.
[24:17] Exactly.
[24:19] >> That's all I ever know.
[24:20] Thank you.
[24:26] >> Thank you for coming. I
[24:28] really appreciate you being
[24:29] here. Good to see you all. You
[24:30] might notice I have cleverly
[24:32] moved my bike closer. Closer.
[24:33] Because I've only been asking
[24:36] for two years and three months
[24:37] for bike parking outside this
[24:39] spot right here. And I know
[24:41] it's coming. I know we have the
[24:42] technology. I know we're going
[24:44] to find the $200 and the six
[24:45] bolts and we're going to figure
[24:47] it out.
[24:48] >> I asked yesterday because I
[24:50] wrote
[24:51] over it.
[24:52] >> I have confidence
[24:53] in the town of Windsor that we
[24:54] can do big things together.
[24:55] But if that bike comes up here
[24:56] in two more meetings,
[24:58] I'm going to start
[24:59] to make a big fuss
[25:00] about it. I do like this. I did
[25:01] review it and thank you very
[25:03] much for printing the whole
[25:04] thing out. I do have a fair
[25:05] amount
[25:07] of comments. I'll do some
[25:08] Universal ones. And then we'll
[25:10] go through it. I know we have
[25:11] another great presentation
[25:12] to come up and I don't want to
[25:13] take too much time so you guys
[25:14] can jump in and say, Tim, be
[25:16] quiet and I'll do it. 1
[25:17] universally I would like
[25:19] to see a mention of active
[25:20] transportation as the most cost
[25:22] effective method
[25:23] for transportation in a city's
[25:24] budget because roads are very
[25:26] expensive. If we can get more
[25:29] people to walk and bike,
[25:30] we will be saving money
[25:31] on our bottom line. That's 50%
[25:33] of the people is what we saw.
[25:35] From a marketing standpoint,
[25:37] guy who does a lot
[25:39] of these reports, please stop
[25:40] putting mammals middle aged men
[25:42] in Lycra as cyclists. You'll
[25:44] get a 10 year old girl
[25:46] on a bike
[25:48] on a bike lane separated by 3
[25:50] inches of paint and see how
[25:52] comfortable we feel having that
[25:54] on the front here. Because
[25:55] that's who rides their bikes
[25:57] to Cali and
[26:00] to the middle school. Stuff
[26:01] like that.
[26:04] >> You lost me on that one.
[26:05] >> I want photos
[26:07] of not the confident cyclists
[26:09] in bike lanes. I want photos
[26:12] of the 80 year old lady who
[26:14] rides her bike
[26:15] by the mobile home park
[26:17] to the grocery store. That's
[26:19] who I want because that's who
[26:21] we're writing this for.
[26:24] Right? It's not
[26:27] for chuckleheads like me
[26:29] on a bike. Some quick things
[26:31] and then I'll meet
[26:32] with you separately into some
[26:34] minor stuff and how we set it
[26:35] up. Could you delineate on all
[26:37] the pedestrian safety
[26:39] assessment and all the data you
[26:41] grab it I believe from vision0
[26:43] from SCTA and I believe that's
[26:45] all reported in incidents
[26:46] of bicycle incidents. We
[26:47] currently don't have a way
[26:49] to report if a kid is nudged
[26:50] off a bike by a car. We hear
[26:51] about on Next Door and we hear
[26:53] about on Facebook. The town
[26:54] does not have a portal for
[26:56] reporting that that I can find.
[26:58] County doesn't have that and I
[26:59] asked SCTA where they get their
[27:00] data for Vision Zero. I'm
[27:02] assuming most of it's
[27:05] from police reports and
[27:06] from insurance reports. So if
[27:08] it doesn't happen we're not
[27:10] actually capturing that data.
[27:11] >> I think that's
[27:12] through chp.
[27:13] >> Yeah, it's through chp.
[27:15] Okay. Oh boy. There's so many
[27:17] guys I would like on. I know we
[27:19] have some talk
[27:22] about complete streets and
[27:25] stuff like that. Somewhere on
[27:26] here mentions we can design
[27:28] streets to be slower. We don't
[27:30] have to worry
[27:33] about our 85% rule or whatever.
[27:34] We can design streets
[27:37] to be slow,
[27:39] we can engineer them to be fast
[27:40] and we can engineer them
[27:42] to be slow. So I think that
[27:43] could be a universal discussion
[27:45] here as we go through,
[27:46] as we talk about the other
[27:47] underlying things that build
[27:48] this document, we should
[27:50] mention that. I know it's not
[27:51] you guys.
[27:52] >> Well, actually, what I'm
[27:54] thinking is that might be a
[27:56] good comment to keep in mind
[27:57] since I know that complete
[27:59] streets guidelines are being
[28:00] updated.
[28:01] >> Right.
[28:02] >> So that'd be a good thing
[28:04] to relate to that.
[28:05] >> We might mention
[28:06] on page nine, school trips.
[28:08] They wrote school trips
[28:10] present a significant
[28:11] opportunity to increase ATP as
[28:13] students typically live close
[28:14] to the schools they attend.
[28:15] Windsor doesn't have
[28:19] neighborhood schools, so most
[28:20] kids are eventually going
[28:22] to cross town to go
[28:23] to school. So we need
[28:24] to recognize that. When we do
[28:27] on page 10, and you showed it
[28:29] in your slide, Major walking
[28:30] and bicycling destinations. I
[28:32] don't know who made this map.
[28:34] We're missing the Estrella
[28:36] Market Center. We're missing
[28:37] the entire Oliver's Town Green
[28:39] shopping center. We're missing
[28:41] the Castanedas Paul Market
[28:42] Shopping Center. So these are
[28:43] all places people walk and bike
[28:45] to. That we should put on here
[28:48] because those are definitely
[28:49] places that go on here. Yeah,
[28:51] go ahead.
[28:53] >> Adding on to that, I realize
[28:54] we highlighted all the parks. I
[28:55] don't know that the golf course
[28:56] needs to be included just
[28:57] because locally.
[29:00] >> Actually there's two people,
[29:01] many that ride their bikes to
[29:02] the golf course. I see them.
[29:03] >> Alejandro would catch the
[29:04] golf course.
[29:05] >> Another quick note, though,
[29:06] on that page 11, we have the
[29:08] safe routes to school,
[29:10] but we don't have Windsor
[29:11] High School listed
[29:13] on that page. And there's 1600
[29:14] kids. And this town just built
[29:15] an underpass so the kids could
[29:17] walk and ride their bikes
[29:18] there. So I think we should
[29:20] include that in there because
[29:21] that's very important and
[29:22] that's a huge reason of impact
[29:24] on the thing there. Let me keep
[29:25] going. I saw we mentioned the
[29:26] highway design manual. My eyes
[29:28] rolled in the back
[29:30] of the head. You redeemed
[29:32] yourself by calling
[29:33] out nacto. So thank you very
[29:34] much for putting that
[29:36] in there. I was starting
[29:37] to get worried.
[29:39] On page 18,
[29:40] existing bicycle
[29:46] facilities. You have a class
[29:48] one bike lane. There is a gap
[29:50] that's currently been filled
[29:52] by smart, so you might want
[29:54] to update that photo. It's page
[29:56] 19, figure 3. Existing bicycle
[29:58] facilities.
[30:00] >> Thank you.
[30:01] >> I can confirm, although it's
[30:02] not officially open yet,
[30:03] that the path is finished. It
[30:05] will be open soon.
[30:07] By the time this comes out.
[30:08] Bike parking, page 19. We wrote
[30:11] racks that can accommodate
[30:13] over 50 bicycles at locations
[30:15] around the town green,
[30:17] at the library and
[30:19] along streets
[30:20] of the commercial area. The
[30:22] majority
[30:23] of our bicycle racks are
[30:24] in a park. We are trying
[30:25] to get people to take
[30:26] over trips to the store and
[30:28] to work, and they're
[30:29] in the park. So I would
[30:32] like us to recognize we don't
[30:33] really have good bike parking
[30:34] in front of stores. Cafe Noto
[30:36] has none. Right. On the entire.
[30:39] There's one per block,
[30:42] sometimes two
[30:43] on the town green when there's
[30:45] 20 bike car parking spaces
[30:47] on the same block. So let's
[30:48] just rewrite this so we're not
[30:50] talking about going
[30:51] to the playground. This is
[30:53] transportation. I mean,
[30:55] the photo. Go ahead.
[30:57] >> Before we move
[30:58] on the phone photo.
[30:59] >> Also, if we can encourage
[31:01] better designed bike racks
[31:02] because there's a lot more
[31:03] efficient bike racks
[31:05] out there. And frankly,
[31:07] this u is the easiest way to
[31:08] steal your bike if it's locked
[31:09] up because it's just a few
[31:11] bolts on the ground and you
[31:12] unbolt.
[31:15] >> It and pick it up.
[31:17] >> Right? Well, it depends
[31:18] on the kind of bolting there.
[31:20] There are different
[31:21] designs, but. Yeah, I
[31:23] understand.
[31:24] >> I'm almost done, guys.
[31:26] Thank you. Page 22, we do have
[31:28] the collision history one. And
[31:29] it said for pedestrians,
[31:31] the top two crash factors
[31:32] for pedestrian right of way
[31:34] violations and pedestrian
[31:35] violations, accounting for 15
[31:37] of 18 collisions, respectively.
[31:38] I wonder where that data came
[31:39] from. Is that from a responding
[31:41] police officer? Is that
[31:42] from an insurance report?
[31:43] >> That's CHP.
[31:44] >> That's CHP. So
[31:46] we're relying
[31:47] on a police officer
[31:49] to say this is what happened.
[31:51] We don't do like an
[31:52] after analysis report or study
[31:53] like that. And I know you don't
[31:54] w chains, but I don't think
[31:55] in town does.
[31:56] >> Right.
[31:57] >> No.
[31:58] >> So we rely on the CHP
[31:59] to police report.
[32:01] >> Do we currently have a way
[32:02] to report when there's
[32:03] incidents that don't involve a
[32:06] police report?
[32:08] >> I made an earlier note kind
[32:10] of to that effect. Not that I'm
[32:13] aware of. But we will check
[32:14] that. I'd already noted that.
[32:16] >> Okay.
[32:18] >> Yeah. I mean,
[32:19] there are certainly a lot of
[32:21] collisions that happen that are
[32:22] just not reported. And so I
[32:23] think that's probably a good
[32:25] thing that we could qualify,
[32:27] you know, by. Just because we
[32:29] don't have the actual
[32:30] information
[32:32] about what's not reported,
[32:33] but we can at least acknowledge
[32:34] that there are.
[32:35] >> A lot of things and I know
[32:37] three offhand witnessed that
[32:38] are underreported and they
[32:39] involve juveniles and elderly
[32:40] people and some who are afraid
[32:41] of making an official report.
[32:43] Page 25. We talked about the
[32:44] actual goals and policies,
[32:47] which I love,
[32:49] which is fantastic.
[32:50] >> Which Policy.
[32:52] >> I'm sorry. The heading is
[32:53] goals and policy.
[32:54] >> Okay.
[32:56] >> I would like
[32:57] to add three main points. We
[32:59] should make walking and biking
[33:00] as easy as driving. We should
[33:02] make walking and biking as
[33:03] pleasant as driving. And we
[33:05] should make walking and biking
[33:06] as natural as driving. It is
[33:08] very easy for us to drive in
[33:09] Windsor. And as we know,
[33:11] it's very hard for us to walk
[33:13] and bike certain places. And
[33:14] that include things
[33:16] like benches and seats
[33:18] along paths. It would include
[33:20] things like bike parking signs
[33:21] so people know where
[33:23] to park. I'm not actually mad.
[33:24] This is my happy face. I'm
[33:28] really happy
[33:29] with this. I'm very passionate
[33:31] about this. Thank you. The
[33:34] weight, the way we do the
[33:36] engagement. I know I brought
[33:37] this up last time we did a
[33:39] survey and we asked people and
[33:40] we did a charrette. We went
[33:41] to a quesadilla making class.
[33:43] You know, I brought this up
[33:44] before, but I printed it
[33:45] out because I love it so much.
[33:47] And it's how to look at. We
[33:49] should do public investment.
[33:51] I'm going to bring this up.
[33:54] Okay. It's humbly observe where
[33:56] people
[33:57] in the community struggle. Ask
[33:59] the question, what is the next
[34:01] smallest thing we can do
[34:02] to address that struggle? The
[34:04] next smallest thing,
[34:06] do that thing right now. Do it
[34:08] right. Don't do a report,
[34:09] don't do a PDF,
[34:11] don't hire contractors. Do it
[34:12] right and then repeat. And I
[34:14] love this because
[34:16] in the instance
[34:17] of the bike rack, it's a $200
[34:19] bike rack on my street,
[34:20] there's no bus bench,
[34:23] so I put one in my front yard
[34:24] across the street. Right. It's
[34:26] just really small stuff that I
[34:27] really want us to do and
[34:28] to think about it,
[34:29] because it makes the talent
[34:31] look like we're doing stuff,
[34:32] because we are. And it gets us
[34:34] in that mentality of
[34:35] incremental small improvement.
[34:36] When we do this communication
[34:38] strategy, this outreach,
[34:40] you got a bunch
[34:41] of comments that are mine
[34:43] on that thing. And I can
[34:44] guarantee you there are so many
[34:45] of my comments on there,
[34:47] you don't want to hear
[34:49] from me anymore. You guys are
[34:50] already bored. We need to be
[34:52] out there at those sidewalks
[34:53] where people are scared
[34:56] to cross the street. We need
[34:57] to be out there where there's
[34:59] old people who might not speak
[35:00] English and ask them,
[35:01] what's it like waiting
[35:02] for a bus
[35:04] without a bus stop bench? And
[35:05] that's what we should also be
[35:07] out there getting stuff because
[35:08] it's very easy to be here doing
[35:10] this. I'm sure whoever's
[35:11] watching on Zoom is already
[35:12] logged off by now,
[35:13] but I'm almost done here. And
[35:14] thank you, chair,
[35:15] for this. I would like to. You
[35:17] mentioned it a few times.
[35:18] Level of traffic stress, which
[35:20] I know you know about. I know
[35:21] you know about. Bring that to
[35:23] the front so people can
[35:24] understand that that's how
[35:25] people feel
[35:27] on bicycle and walking. They
[35:28] feel freaked out. Los is what
[35:29] you guys use for roads. How
[35:30] quickly can a car move
[35:31] through town? But we've changed
[35:32] that one because now we need
[35:33] levels of stress for the walker
[35:34] and the bicyclist and the
[35:35] grandma getting
[35:36] down the street.
[35:37] >> Right.
[35:38] >> How does she feel? So we
[35:39] should, I think,
[35:40] call that out.
[35:42] >> So were you just suggesting
[35:43] to highlight that,
[35:44] like more put it
[35:45] in the front.
[35:46] >> It's actually hiding
[35:47] in the back as a footnote.
[35:48] >> Okay.
[35:50] >> As a mention put
[35:51] in the front. This is how a
[35:52] walker relates. This is how a
[35:53] kid on their way to sixth grade
[35:55] rides their bike. And this is
[35:57] what they feel. Final couple
[35:59] things and we're almost there.
[36:01] Let me go here.
[36:03] This is just
[36:05] on page. Page numbers are kind
[36:10] of hard here. So that would be
[36:12] 38 is where this graph is.
[36:13] Break that
[36:15] into two different pages. Why
[36:17] don't you do existing bike
[36:19] lanes and then two proposed
[36:20] bike lanes? Because to Cherry
[36:22] Kibota's point is kind of hard
[36:24] to read. This whole thing right
[36:25] there. So just have two
[36:26] different pages and we can
[36:28] overlay it.
[36:29] >> I thought we did have one
[36:30] of just existing, and I don't
[36:32] think we did propose
[36:33] separately.
[36:34] >> I think they're
[36:35] all together in one page.
[36:37] They're kind of hard
[36:38] to read.
[36:39] >> Okay. I thought
[36:40] we included both,
[36:41] but I'll make sure we.
[36:42] >> This one right here and the
[36:44] same thing on page 39, it says
[36:45] Crosswalk improvements and
[36:47] sidewalk gaps. I'm unclear if
[36:49] the sidewalk gaps are where
[36:50] we're going to fix it or where
[36:51] we see problems. So it's not
[36:52] quite clear on that.
[36:53] >> Okay, there.
[36:55] >> Just kind of clarify that.
[36:56] Almost done, guys. Thank you.
[36:58] PLIS. Pedestrian leading
[37:02] interval. Pedestrian lpi. LPI
[37:04] leading interval.
[37:05] >> Pedestrian interval.
[37:06] >> So I went and crossed all
[37:07] the crosswalks from here
[37:09] over towards Raley's and back.
[37:11] We've gotten public comment
[37:12] in the past about that at
[37:14] certain places. I think it's
[37:15] Glenn Miller Way and
[37:17] right across from Safeway.
[37:19] >> Okay.
[37:20] >> We've gotten it from all
[37:21] these intersections right here.
[37:22] I watched a middle schooler
[37:25] almost get clobbered
[37:26] on the way back. We need to
[37:27] stop all the traffic and give
[37:29] the small people and the slow
[37:30] people a chance to get
[37:32] out so they don't get hit
[37:33] by a ram. 2500 turning right.
[37:36] Because that's going
[37:39] to happen. And I know we've
[37:40] asked
[37:42] for this before. I know some of
[37:43] this might be a caltrans issue,
[37:44] and in some of those.
[37:46] But if we can push for that, we
[37:47] do have a county supervisor
[37:48] running for state office. That
[37:50] guy loves to show up. So we can
[37:51] ask him to show up and help us
[37:52] increase the interval
[37:53] for walkers to walk across,
[37:55] because that really is a big
[37:57] problem and that freaks
[37:59] out a lot of people. So it's
[38:00] Brook Road south at Glen Noah
[38:01] Drive, Lakewood at Brooks
[38:03] Road, South Windsor Road at
[38:04] Windsor River Road, and then
[38:05] that one, Conde Windsor. Weird
[38:07] intersection with that,
[38:08] I turn it back over
[38:09] to the chair for a breath
[38:10] of fresh air. Thank you.
[38:14] >> Yes.
[38:19] >> So I'm curious as to what we
[38:22] define per se as a bicycle,
[38:23] because I nearly got run over
[38:25] by a motorized bike on the
[38:27] smart trail this morning. So
[38:29] trying to figure
[38:31] out what's allowed
[38:33] in all these areas. Is that
[38:35] defined when you select a
[38:37] Class 1 or Class 2 or Class 3?
[38:39] Are they recommended users?
[38:41] Because I feel
[38:43] like there's a lot
[38:45] of misunderstanding on where
[38:46] certain things are allowed
[38:47] to go, including myself. I do
[38:49] have an E scooter. I haven't
[38:51] tried it on the trail yet, but
[38:52] I don't know if it's permitted.
[38:53] But the motorized bike was
[38:56] flying and I'm not sure if that
[38:59] made sense. So I'm hoping we
[39:01] consider the different modes of
[39:02] transportation that we're
[39:04] starting to see in our
[39:06] community as we're building
[39:08] out some of these connected
[39:09] pathways.
[39:12] >> That's a really good point.
[39:14] I mean, I know I've certainly
[39:15] heard that a lot in other
[39:17] communities as well. E bikes.
[39:18] And I believe that there's the
[39:20] fastest E bikes I believe are
[39:22] prohibited from trails. And
[39:25] it's the. But even the slower
[39:27] ones are not that slow.
[39:29] >> So. But that's probably.
[39:31] That probably is something we
[39:34] should elaborate on a bit more.
[39:42] I think that's an important
[39:45] point.
[39:48] >> Commissioner Richards.
[39:50] Nothing. All right.
[39:52] >> See?
[39:54] >> No additional questions and
[39:56] we'll thank you for your. It's
[40:00] a presentation. So we do not
[40:03] generally.
[40:04] >> I think the way we typically
[40:05] do it is we have both
[40:06] presentations and then comments
[40:08] on those presentations would be
[40:09] during the public comment
[40:10] period that follows.
[40:12] >> Okay.
[40:13] >> Just here's my question. Do
[40:14] if, if people don't want to see
[40:16] if the second presentation.
[40:17] Can we do public comment and
[40:19] then presentation.
[40:21] Or does that ruin the town of
[40:24] Windsor?
[40:25] >> The chair has that power.
[40:26] >> I. I will wield it and I
[40:28] think we'll open public comment
[40:29] for any comments specific
[40:30] to the Windsor Active
[40:32] transportation plan
[40:33] at this time. Members
[40:35] of public wishing
[40:36] to address us
[40:37] on this public comment,
[40:38] please limit your comments to
[40:39] 3 minutes. Speaking
[40:40] to the microphone
[40:42] from the podium.
[40:54] >> Great.
[40:56] >> Thank you. I appreciate
[40:58] that. I'm Emily Chartin. I'm
[41:00] with the Sonoma County
[41:01] Bicycle Coalition. So we're
[41:02] really happy to see this draft.
[41:03] I know it's been W
[41:04] Trans has been working on it
[41:06] for a long time and especially
[41:08] happy to see the emphasis on
[41:10] creating a low stress connected
[41:12] network. You know, quite
[41:14] simply, people on bikes need
[41:16] to be able
[41:17] to get where they need to go,
[41:18] whether it's school, downtown,
[41:20] work, shopping. And that's both
[41:21] for the health of the climate
[41:24] and the community. Community
[41:25] really happy to see the number
[41:28] of Class 1 trails on the
[41:30] proposed facilities list.
[41:31] Those are the dotted green
[41:34] lines. And also the number of
[41:36] Class 4 projects
[41:38] on the priority list. The bike
[41:39] coalition believes the Class 4
[41:41] protected facilities really
[41:42] should be the default, you
[41:43] know, as opposed to Class 2,
[41:45] which are the unprotected
[41:46] facilities that you tend
[41:48] to see in cities and towns. I
[41:49] will say that the Class 3
[41:51] facilities are generally not
[41:52] something we support because
[41:54] you're asking bikes and cars
[41:55] to share a travel lane. And for
[41:56] many riders that's just not a
[41:57] low stress situation. So we
[41:59] would ask the town
[42:00] to consider the possibility
[42:02] of upgrading these facilities
[42:04] to Class 2.
[42:06] But if that's not possible,
[42:07] you know,
[42:09] traffic calming measures need
[42:11] to be considered
[42:12] to bring vehicle speeds down,
[42:14] which is something that Barry
[42:16] alluded to. So that traffic is
[42:17] as slow as possible if they're
[42:19] going to be sharing the road
[42:20] with bikes. We're pleased that
[42:21] the board is recognizing.
[42:22] We're pleased that the plan is
[42:24] recognizing the importance
[42:25] of the Safe Routes to School
[42:27] plan. Schools and access to
[42:29] schools really should just
[42:32] always be a priority
[42:35] in building
[42:38] out the bike and PED network.
[42:40] As Tim mentioned, this is
[42:42] really who we're building the
[42:44] network for ultimately. And
[42:45] lastly, I just want
[42:47] to also make a pitch
[42:49] for the return
[42:51] of the bicycle and Pedestrian
[42:52] Advisory committee, which I
[42:54] know has undergone a little bit
[42:55] of reorganization
[42:57] in the past few months. But
[42:59] having a robust advisory
[43:01] committee I think is especially
[43:02] important now that the town has
[43:04] a draft and, you know,
[43:05] you're going
[43:07] to be shepherding it
[43:08] through this process
[43:10] of public review. So that's it.
[43:12] Thanks.
[43:15] >> Anyone else wish to make a
[43:16] public comment at this time?
[43:17] We will close public comment.
[43:19] >> If I could ask if you have
[43:20] any written comments you could
[43:22] provide to us because we would
[43:23] like to move forward, forward
[43:24] with this. One commissioner in
[43:25] particular had a long list. I
[43:27] don't know if it was a printed
[43:28] list or just a marked up copy
[43:30] B. But if you could provide us
[43:31] with COP as soon as possible,
[43:33] we would like to move forward
[43:34] with it.
[43:36] >> Fantastic.
[43:37] >> Thank you.
[43:38] >> Thank you both.
[43:39] At this time, we will move on
[43:41] to item 6.2, crime prevention
[43:42] through environmental design.
[43:44] Director Streeter.
[43:46] >> Thank you, Chair.
[43:47] At this time, I'd like to
[43:50] introduce former commissioner
[43:53] Lois Fisher, who will be giving
[43:55] us a presentation on,
[43:56] as you just mentioned,
[43:58] the concept
[44:00] of crime prevention
[44:01] through environmental design,
[44:03] also known as cpted.
[44:05] >> Thank you, Patrick. I could
[44:08] do it. Start slideshow. There
[44:11] it goes. Okay, good. All right.
[44:16] Well, it's very good
[44:18] to be back. I was here for 13
[44:20] years and so I definitely can
[44:23] relate to all your activities
[44:24] and concerns about our
[44:27] community. I appreciate it. So
[44:28] anyway, thank you. So Windsor
[44:30] has been made safer each year
[44:32] through zoning
[44:35] since its incorporation. And
[44:37] tonight's presentation is just
[44:39] about how we've been doing it
[44:43] and how it'll continue
[44:45] in the future. So I'm an urban
[44:47] designer and I create walkable
[44:49] towns as an alternative
[44:51] to suburban sprawl. So if you
[44:57] don't like suburban sprawl,
[45:00] I can help you. And so my work,
[45:02] you can see it
[45:04] on the bottom is the Petaluma
[45:06] theater district. The
[45:07] before pictures
[45:09] on the left and then the
[45:11] after pictures on the right.
[45:12] You can see that the trees are
[45:14] on both of them. So it's
[45:15] completely different. Right.
[45:16] You can actually there are
[45:17] rules you can put in as
[45:19] planners that create walkable
[45:20] environments. So the topics to
[45:22] be covered are crime prevention
[45:23] through environmental design
[45:25] and are these policies making
[45:26] Windsor safer or not? And then
[45:27] new policies
[45:28] for crime prevention in
[45:30] Windsor's new code. And then
[45:31] two weeks from tonight,
[45:32] I'll be back to talk
[45:34] about the history of planning
[45:35] for walkability in Windsor. So
[45:36] crime prevention through
[45:38] environmental design. CPTED is
[45:39] also pronounced septed. Eyes
[45:40] on, front on,
[45:42] defensible space. Those are all
[45:43] the same things. So it's
[45:45] confusing. I will use all those
[45:46] words interchangeably. One
[45:48] that's different is back on.
[45:49] Back on is the opposite
[45:51] of it. So in this case,
[45:53] on the left hand side, you can
[45:54] see that this is the back
[45:56] of the apartments, right?
[45:57] These are the bedrooms. And
[45:59] then this is supposed to be the
[46:00] patio where they barbecue.
[46:02] Right. And it's two feet
[46:04] from the sidewalk. This is in
[46:05] Wilson street in Santa Rosa.
[46:08] And so that's the back of the
[46:09] unit facing the public realm.
[46:11] And on the right you've got the
[46:13] front of the unit facing the
[46:14] public realm. So this person is
[46:16] acting as a police. He would
[46:17] never say he's A police
[46:19] officer.
[46:21] But if he saw a problem, he
[46:22] would call somebody and it
[46:24] would be taken care of. Here I
[46:25] talk with a lady who lived
[46:27] there and her daughter had one
[46:28] bedroom and she had the other
[46:29] bedroom. And at 3:30
[46:31] at night, there was someone
[46:32] throwing up outside
[46:35] of their bedrooms. So this is
[46:37] what happens when you have the
[46:39] most private part
[46:41] of the building right next
[46:42] to the most public part
[46:43] of the street. So in Windsor,
[46:45] we have made a concerted effort
[46:46] since incorporation
[46:47] to actually front on. And I
[46:49] know you guys have seen those,
[46:50] all those code messages. And
[46:52] just because I'm a planner,
[46:53] I'm going
[46:54] to give you the background.
[46:55] The constitution of Windsor is
[46:57] the general plan. So this is
[46:59] all in the general plan. It
[47:01] says active uses built up
[47:02] to the sidewalks. Public realm
[47:04] encouraging socializing,
[47:06] building facades
[47:08] behind sidewalks,
[47:10] providing eyes on. This is all
[47:11] taken care of
[47:13] in the general plan. And now
[47:14] thanks to Patrick Streeter and
[47:16] Kim Jordan, I'm not sure if
[47:17] she's here. We have it
[47:18] in our code.
[47:19] For the first time in like
[47:20] 25, 30 years,
[47:22] we actually have it
[47:23] in the code. So thank you,
[47:25] Patrick. So this is what we
[47:26] have right now. And I'm going
[47:27] to be making some suggestions
[47:29] for additional things.
[47:30] But crime prevention is
[47:32] to improve safety by designing
[47:33] the physical environment
[47:35] to influence human behavior.
[47:36] So it's natural surveillance,
[47:38] looking out, eyes on natural
[47:40] access control gates,
[47:42] and territorial reinforcement,
[47:44] which means this is public,
[47:46] this is private,
[47:48] and you have stages between
[47:49] that poor person whose bedroom
[47:51] is right next
[47:52] to the sidewalk. You actually
[47:54] don't do that. So it's not
[47:56] comfortable, but it's actually
[47:58] not safe either. So I have a
[47:59] poll for you guys. Say you have
[48:01] a child that you want
[48:02] to be safe walking to school.
[48:04] You have one option. They could
[48:06] walk along this street. This is
[48:07] the sidewalk right here. Or
[48:09] they could walk
[48:10] along this street
[48:12] on the right. So how many would
[48:14] prefer the one on the left?
[48:16] Raise your hand. Okay. How many
[48:17] prefer their child walking?
[48:20] The one on the right,
[48:24] you would. Okay. All right. So
[48:26] this is a different question.
[48:28] This is a creek. And so
[48:29] on both sides, the creek is
[48:32] on the right hand side. And
[48:35] then we've got a pathway and
[48:37] then we've got public areas.
[48:39] In this case it's a street with
[48:40] residential buildings facing
[48:42] onto the street and
[48:44] to the creek.
[48:47] In this case it's a fence
[48:50] with the houses behind it. So
[48:52] raise your hand if you want
[48:54] your child walking
[48:56] on the top one. And raise your
[48:58] hand if you want your child
[48:59] working on the bottom one.
[49:01] Okay, so you guys actually
[49:02] already know your body knows
[49:03] how to create or what is a safe
[49:05] environment? So the question I
[49:06] have is, if we all know this,
[49:09] why have we been creating this
[49:11] stuff for absolute years?
[49:12] Right? And you go up
[49:14] to this one,
[49:16] why has this been happening?
[49:17] Why have this? Why does this
[49:19] continue? So anyway,
[49:21] I'm just going
[49:23] to give you a little bit
[49:25] of information
[49:27] on this pressing question. So
[49:30] why defensible space? So this
[49:31] is a pretty rough place. It's
[49:33] called Pruitt Igoe Towers. And
[49:35] you may not have heard it,
[49:37] but it's
[49:38] in the planning profession.
[49:40] It's kind
[49:43] of well known and what they did
[49:45] with it. Let's experiment. Why
[49:47] do towns
[49:49] like we've always done towns,
[49:51] we have car now,
[49:53] let's change everything. And so
[49:55] they made it so the bottom of
[49:57] these towers were open and
[49:58] there was no stoops, no fence
[50:00] jars, nothing, just nothing.
[50:02] So this entire area was nobody
[50:04] looking out for it. Right? No
[50:06] ownership, no fenced yards,
[50:08] no eyes on the ground floor,
[50:10] exterior areas. So all this
[50:12] which had been traditionally
[50:14] done, right, you have the
[50:16] public, you have the semi
[50:18] public, semi private at the
[50:20] porch and then the private,
[50:24] that's all a procession as you
[50:27] go in. None of that was done.
[50:28] So what do you think happened?
[50:30] They blew it up. They blew it
[50:31] up. This is how bad it was.
[50:33] People would not live there,
[50:34] they were dying there. So what
[50:35] happened,
[50:37] that was actually the birth of
[50:38] crime prevention was that
[50:40] destruction of that building.
[50:41] And so, so the defensible
[50:42] space, I said it before,
[50:44] I'm going to repeat it again.
[50:45] The physical expression of a
[50:47] social fabric that defends
[50:48] itself. So this is an example
[50:50] from Hercules. They also do the
[50:52] same thing we do here. And this
[50:53] is porches and this is
[50:54] on street parking. This is
[50:56] absolutely critical.
[50:57] To get these porches used,
[50:58] you have to have a car and then
[51:00] people coming up into these.
[51:01] So natural surveillance. And
[51:03] then these are the options for
[51:04] building design regarding the
[51:06] street. And this was the most
[51:07] popular for the child walking
[51:09] on the street. So
[51:11] in this case, the front of the
[51:13] building faces the street.
[51:15] In this case, the side of the
[51:18] building faces the street. You
[51:19] can see maybe there could be
[51:21] some eyes on as people walk
[51:23] to the side. But for the most
[51:25] part the street doesn't have
[51:27] any eyes on it. And then this
[51:29] is the red means it's not
[51:32] good. Just in case need
[51:33] to get that. But this is where
[51:35] it's the back,
[51:37] the absolute back
[51:38] of the building. It faces the
[51:40] most public area. That's the
[51:41] least safe. Crime prevention
[51:43] through environmental design.
[51:44] This is a great little diagram
[51:45] and it shows how
[51:46] to make it safe. You put
[51:47] Windows, you put porches and
[51:48] sidewalks where people can talk
[51:49] to each other and gain
[51:50] community. Then you define the
[51:51] public and the private areas
[51:52] by hedges or fences. But you
[51:54] don't let this all be a free
[51:55] for all like it is on Wilson
[51:57] Street. And then good
[51:59] pedestrian lighting. So the
[52:00] procession, I'm going
[52:03] to repeat again, it's public,
[52:05] the semi public, semi private,
[52:06] private. So this is that, that
[52:08] procession which is missing.
[52:10] And right now our current code
[52:12] is missing this defining the
[52:13] front yard. So that's going
[52:14] to be my suggestion
[52:16] to add that
[52:17] in the next code update. So
[52:19] these images are now
[52:21] in your zoning code. So there's
[52:22] one for the,
[52:23] for commercial as well. And so
[52:25] single family, eyes
[52:28] on solution. When Windsor
[52:29] started, it basically had three
[52:31] car garages and then you had
[52:33] to go around to the side
[52:35] to get to the front door. And
[52:37] so that is very bad for Izon
[52:38] because the cars in the car
[52:40] garage don't perform that
[52:41] function. So Windsor, we
[52:43] changed our code and made it so
[52:45] that you actually have
[52:46] to have the porch in the front
[52:48] and the garage and back. And
[52:50] in the latest update, that
[52:51] garage setback was reduced. So
[52:52] anyway,
[52:54] I just letting you guys know
[52:55] to watch out for that, just
[52:57] to see how it comes out. And if
[52:58] you want to go back, this big
[53:00] wear has been reduced and the
[53:01] defined front yards, we did it
[53:03] for years in Windsor and all
[53:04] the affordable housing. And it
[53:05] just needs to be put
[53:06] into the code. And if it's set
[53:08] back 10ft or more
[53:10] from the sidewalk,
[53:11] it should work. So this is that
[53:13] picture that. No, I think one
[53:15] person thought it was a good
[53:16] idea. But this is Apple
[53:18] Valley Lane. And has anybody
[53:20] heard of Apple Valley Lane?
[53:21] About 20 years ago,
[53:23] people were getting killed
[53:25] like once a month or
[53:27] down there. And so this is
[53:28] before picture. And then so our
[53:30] firm was called in
[53:31] to try and figure out how
[53:32] to fix this. And so we just did
[53:33] these things we're talking
[53:35] about here. We put
[53:36] in windows,
[53:40] we defined the edge of the
[53:43] street and the yard and we put
[53:46] in porches. Has anybody heard
[53:49] of a crime killing in Apple
[53:53] Valley Lane in the last 15
[53:55] years? It hasn't been
[53:58] happening. So all these things
[54:00] have been brought into
[54:03] Windsor's code and Santa Rosa
[54:05] has not. Just letting you know,
[54:07] Santa Rosa has not incorporated
[54:09] these things into their code.
[54:10] They just got rid of. They got
[54:12] rid of that problem. They just
[54:14] stopped. So anyway,
[54:17] this is a kind
[54:19] of an ironic question. This is
[54:20] our first new stoop in windsor
[54:22] in like 20 years. What do you
[54:24] think about the one
[54:26] on the left? Is it providing
[54:29] eyes on so.
[54:31] >> Let me ask you a question
[54:33] about that because I know where
[54:34] this,
[54:36] I think I know where this is.
[54:38] But we also had another project
[54:40] come to our commission recently
[54:42] and the first thing that came
[54:43] to mind is why would anybody
[54:45] want their front door
[54:47] on such a busy road? So this
[54:49] idea of having this duper eyes
[54:51] on these extremely busy roads,
[54:53] I am trying to understand how
[54:55] that's more safe.
[54:57] >> Okay.
[54:59] >> Because I feel concerned
[55:00] about having a front door and
[55:02] then people driving 40, 50
[55:04] miles an hour.
[55:06] >> That's a very good point.
[55:08] And so what you need to do is
[55:09] do traffic calming and that's
[55:11] park cars. And then when we did
[55:12] the Esposti park apartments
[55:14] right across from Esposti park,
[55:15] we actually put in one
[55:17] of those things that WW Trans
[55:18] was talking about. A traffic
[55:20] calming thing was like a hump
[55:22] and it really narrowed it down
[55:24] the streets. I'm not sure if
[55:26] you know what I'm talking
[55:28] about by a spy park.
[55:30] >> Anyway, by there I haven't
[55:32] noticed a speed hump. Well,
[55:33] it's
[55:35] like a calming hump in.
[55:38] >> The middle anyway, so I
[55:40] don't think it slows anybody
[55:44] down.
[55:46] >> It does. It actually really
[55:48] does, honestly. Anyway, I'm
[55:50] offering tours and I just want
[55:52] to say these are two
[55:53] dimensional pictures of three
[55:54] dimensional places and that's
[55:56] why I'm offering the tours
[55:57] because I would love
[55:59] to really get into detail with
[56:01] you and I could do that if we
[56:02] were standing in front of a
[56:04] Swastik park apartments. And
[56:05] it's very difficult for me
[56:08] to do it from here. So I would
[56:09] really love it if you guys,
[56:11] I know it's asking a lot,
[56:13] you'll have businesses and all
[56:16] that stuff,
[56:18] but that would be just great.
[56:21] And I could really talk about
[56:26] it and you can actually feel
[56:28] what it's like. So anyway,
[56:30] my suggestion here is that
[56:31] Windsor adds, we're treating
[56:33] stoops, our brand new stoops,
[56:35] as if they're balconies. And so
[56:37] we actually allow storage and
[56:38] stuff on the stoop. And so I'm
[56:40] just saying maybe we should
[56:42] clarify that in our revision
[56:45] to the code
[56:46] to make it very clear
[56:48] about conditions of approval,
[56:49] wherever it is,
[56:51] that you can't put storage on
[56:53] the ground floor stoop because
[56:55] that's eyes on. And
[56:56] unfortunately this is not going
[56:58] to get better because there's
[57:00] no parking required. So there's
[57:01] no reason for people to park
[57:02] their car and then go up the
[57:03] steps. It's kind of
[57:04] like this. Oh man, we got this
[57:06] close and then just a couple
[57:07] things didn't work out. So eyes
[57:08] on. Problem. The designer did
[57:09] not put a street next
[57:10] to the park. And so the back
[57:12] of the buildings face the park.
[57:13] Windsor did a good job here
[57:15] at Oakfield subdivision. I'm
[57:17] not sure if anybody's been
[57:18] there, but road
[57:19] along the park and then eyes
[57:21] on the park. This is a very
[57:22] interesting problem. This is
[57:23] the dead space
[57:25] behind the pool porch. There
[57:26] was a developer who asked me
[57:27] to come
[57:29] down and see his project. He
[57:30] was proposing projects here
[57:32] in Windsor. And so I looked
[57:34] at this and I'm like, oh my
[57:35] gosh, this is perfect, right?
[57:38] It's got all the procession,
[57:40] it's got all that.
[57:42] But there was nobody
[57:45] on the street. Absolutely
[57:48] nobody. It was no kids,
[57:50] nothing. And I'm like, it's
[57:52] like a neutron bomb had gone
[57:54] off. What the heck is going
[57:55] on here? And I found
[57:57] out you go in the door,
[57:58] the garage is
[57:59] to the right here, right? This
[58:00] is a car. And then these are
[58:01] steps up. All the living is up
[58:02] there. So they didn't put the
[58:03] police officer in, they just
[58:04] put the police officers
[58:05] upstairs. So Windsor now has
[58:06] requirements for active uses.
[58:07] Behind the porch,
[58:08] you can't just put stairs,
[58:09] storage or bedroom. So that's
[58:10] just something that's
[58:11] protecting Windsor. Go ahead.
[58:12] >> If I can. So just
[58:13] to clarify,
[58:14] dead space means non used.
[58:15] Part of your house is
[58:16] behind the front of it, right?
[58:17] Like your living room's not
[58:18] there,
[58:19] your kitchen's not there. It's
[58:20] a junk room in the back.
[58:21] >> And some people say, well,
[58:22] bedrooms are fine,
[58:23] but you're only in the bedroom
[58:24] when it's dark.
[58:25] >> Right.
[58:26] >> So you can't really see it.
[58:27] So I don't think bedrooms are
[58:28] qualified as that.
[58:29] But so you guys know this one?
[58:30] This is Joe Wodota trail.
[58:31] Camping and garbage is an
[58:32] issue, of course. No eyes on.
[58:33] And then this is Vintage Oaks
[58:34] in Windsor. Just beautiful.
[58:35] And this is now considered a
[58:36] trail in the Windsor parks
[58:38] plan. So road next
[58:39] to the creek. And this is the
[58:40] trail that is the smart path.
[58:41] And when I took this picture,
[58:42] let me tell you, my heart was
[58:44] in my throat because I felt
[58:45] very vulnerable. And it was
[58:46] like there was no way out
[58:47] for me. Right? And I made a
[58:49] fine. But I'm just telling,
[58:50] even now I can reel it in me.
[58:52] So smart requires this six foot
[58:53] fence next to the rut tracks.
[58:55] If we do not put a road next
[58:56] to the tracks,
[58:58] this is what ends up. So it
[58:59] ends up being an entrapment
[59:01] situation, which is not good.
[59:04] And compare this to Windsor
[59:06] Oaks or Windsor park
[59:07] apartments. It's right next to
[59:09] the train station that the
[59:10] tracks are right over here.
[59:12] You can see we put the street
[59:13] in and then the smart train has
[59:14] been putting the six foot
[59:16] fence. They've been
[59:18] putting fencing if there's an
[59:19] embankment or something people
[59:21] could fall off of.
[59:22] But if it's a situation
[59:23] like this where it's all flat,
[59:24] they don't put a fence. So in
[59:25] Windsor we have a much better.
[59:27] If we put the roads next
[59:28] to the tracks,
[59:30] we have a nice situation.
[59:32] There's a
[59:33] project called the Windsor
[59:36] Mill project and I think it's
[59:37] gone
[59:39] through two iterations so far.
[59:41] And I heard it's coming back.
[59:42] And so I just wanted to remind
[59:43] you guys that there is a creek
[59:44] on that. That is Windsor Creek
[59:46] needs to have eyes on. And then
[59:48] the railroad tracks also need
[59:49] to have eyes on. So just a
[59:51] place to be thinking about.
[59:54] And so this is that picture,
[59:57] one of the pictures
[59:58] of the question,
[59:59] the poll question. So this is
[1:00:01] one of the places we're going
[1:00:02] to be looking at
[1:00:04] on the creek tour. And so this
[1:00:05] is where you have the front of
[1:00:07] the building's eyes onto the
[1:00:08] creek. And this is what is much
[1:00:11] more typical,
[1:00:12] which is the back next
[1:00:14] to the creek. And you see how
[1:00:16] different it looks and more
[1:00:17] crime, garbage,
[1:00:18] fires and encampments. And this
[1:00:20] is a right across
[1:00:22] from that picture you saw
[1:00:23] of the good Portola. This is
[1:00:25] right across the street. So
[1:00:26] it's a two different. It's
[1:00:28] actually three different
[1:00:29] treatments right there. So
[1:00:30] we're going
[1:00:31] to go there as well.
[1:00:33] But this is a tagged area.
[1:00:35] There's only one back
[1:00:36] on and that's where it is. And
[1:00:39] it got tagged within
[1:00:40] like a week of construction.
[1:00:42] So a lot of people say, well,
[1:00:43] we don't need to put the road
[1:00:44] against the creek. There's not
[1:00:46] much room. Let's just put open
[1:00:47] fencing. So this is a situation
[1:00:48] where the open fencing, it's
[1:00:50] like these are probably
[1:00:51] bedrooms, right? And maybe
[1:00:53] they'll have a barbecue once or
[1:00:54] twice in the summer. But this
[1:00:56] is not as good as the front
[1:00:57] of the house facing the creek
[1:00:59] in terms of safety. And
[1:01:01] Windsor faces a danger
[1:01:03] from fires coming
[1:01:04] down the hills
[1:01:06] along the trees and the creeks.
[1:01:07] We saw that in the Tubbs fire.
[1:01:09] So this is where that road
[1:01:10] along the creek at Portello
[1:01:11] stops. And do you think the
[1:01:13] firefighter is going to want
[1:01:14] to try and go
[1:01:16] in here and fight the fire?
[1:01:17] The trees are right next
[1:01:19] to the building. Right.
[1:01:20] Because the road is gone. So I
[1:01:22] just think where would they
[1:01:23] stage it anyway? This is just a
[1:01:25] cul de sac picture from the
[1:01:27] Internet, but you need hoses
[1:01:29] and places that puts up fire,
[1:01:30] fire trucks. And the street
[1:01:32] provides that. An ideal has
[1:01:33] anybody been to Thiessen
[1:01:35] Park? This little, the Garden
[1:01:38] Windsor Garden Club is here.
[1:01:41] And then there's a little
[1:01:44] bridge. It's right there.
[1:01:46] Yeah, it's just right
[1:01:47] over there.
[1:01:48] They took the
[1:01:49] existing creek and they
[1:01:50] actually fronted it
[1:01:51] on both sides. So
[1:01:53] on this side you have a street,
[1:01:54] it's actually little alley or
[1:01:56] little driveways.
[1:01:57] On this side you have it. So
[1:01:59] both sides you have eyes on.
[1:02:01] And this is where the smart
[1:02:02] station is going to be and this
[1:02:04] is where we're going to meet
[1:02:07] for the creek walks. So this is
[1:02:08] what it looks like
[1:02:11] on the ground. So you have a
[1:02:13] ready made park instead
[1:02:14] of having it be in the back
[1:02:16] of your house,
[1:02:17] which is a crime issue, it's
[1:02:18] in the front of your house. So
[1:02:20] it creates a much more valuable
[1:02:22] real estate. So summary, front
[1:02:24] of the buildings face the
[1:02:25] public realm. You got eyes on
[1:02:26] the street and ownership is
[1:02:28] defined all
[1:02:30] behind the sidewalk. So this is
[1:02:32] in the last update. This is my
[1:02:35] opinion,
[1:02:37] the wording got much weaker
[1:02:38] for public access
[1:02:40] along the creeks. We have one
[1:02:42] sentence that says to do it and
[1:02:43] then we've got a paragraph that
[1:02:46] says how to not do it. So
[1:02:47] anyway, just hoping,
[1:02:49] let's just watch
[1:02:50] to see how that works. And then
[1:02:52] so the cost of Windsor. So say
[1:02:53] a developer says it's too
[1:02:55] difficult, I can't face the
[1:02:57] creek, I have
[1:02:58] to back onto it. So these are
[1:03:00] the costs. Police expenses
[1:03:01] would go up, safety would go
[1:03:03] down and roads are permanently
[1:03:05] in place once it's approved.
[1:03:06] We tried that after the Tubbs
[1:03:08] fired redesign parts of
[1:03:10] Coffee Park. It was impossible.
[1:03:12] It's just not going
[1:03:14] to happen. So are these
[1:03:15] policies for eyes on making
[1:03:17] Windsor safer? And this is it
[1:03:18] from 2023 and Windsor is right
[1:03:20] here. You see that number 10.
[1:03:22] And we're in the company with
[1:03:24] Danville, Saratoga and
[1:03:26] Orinda. And I'm not sure if you
[1:03:28] guys know those places, but we
[1:03:30] are much more inclusive than
[1:03:32] they are,
[1:03:34] I'll put it that way. Okay, so
[1:03:37] it's widely recognized,
[1:03:39] I said as one
[1:03:41] of the safest places in
[1:03:42] California. I did not know it
[1:03:43] was widely recognized.
[1:03:45] But anyway, in this report they
[1:03:47] said it was due to local events
[1:03:48] and initiatives. And I just
[1:03:50] want to let everybody know that
[1:03:51] next time somebody asks you why
[1:03:53] are we so high on the list? If
[1:03:54] you could say something
[1:03:56] about crime prevention through
[1:03:57] environmental design it would
[1:03:58] be just great because I don't
[1:04:00] think it's parades and safety
[1:04:02] impacts. So if you do all these
[1:04:04] things what happens? Well, they
[1:04:05] study them and if you just do a
[1:04:07] few, you get 17%. If you do a
[1:04:08] lot, you get 76% reduction
[1:04:10] in crime. That just explains
[1:04:12] Apple Valley Lane and the cost
[1:04:14] savings for Windsor. Windsor
[1:04:17] pays the lowest amount per
[1:04:18] capita for police services,
[1:04:20] yet crime rates are 39%
[1:04:23] below average. So the average
[1:04:25] county,
[1:04:27] the county resident pays 346
[1:04:28] and we pay 227. We save $3
[1:04:30] million a year
[1:04:32] in police costs alone. And this
[1:04:34] was interesting. I'm not sure
[1:04:37] you guys saw this. This was
[1:04:39] in the paper in October
[1:04:41] of this year and it says
[1:04:42] WalletHub ranks four North Bay
[1:04:44] cities among the best in the
[1:04:45] U.S. well, Windsor was
[1:04:47] on there. And guess why
[1:04:48] Windsor was on there. Spurred
[1:04:51] by its favorable safety rating.
[1:04:52] This is economic development,
[1:04:54] guys, right? And then the
[1:04:56] letter from Police Chief
[1:04:59] Pacini last October to the
[1:05:02] planning commission. I have
[1:05:07] noticed on creeks
[1:05:10] with a road allowing visibility
[1:05:13] for part of it, the place where
[1:05:16] the road ends is where we
[1:05:18] experience policing problems.
[1:05:19] He's all. And Tanya Potter and
[1:05:21] him are both lockstep. This is,
[1:05:22] this is the way to go. So
[1:05:24] anyway, all these things, I've
[1:05:26] gotten a little handout which
[1:05:27] we're going to give
[1:05:29] to you and then also
[1:05:31] on the handout if you want
[1:05:32] to enter term as commissioner
[1:05:34] to increase Windsor safety
[1:05:35] to continue this road that
[1:05:36] we're
[1:05:37] on single loaded streets front
[1:05:39] on walkable fringes and
[1:05:40] on street parking, don't forget
[1:05:41] that piece because they won't
[1:05:43] use the front of the house if
[1:05:44] they don't have that. So I just
[1:05:45] want to let you know there are
[1:05:46] creek tour signups and if you
[1:05:48] could have. I'm not sure if you
[1:05:49] guys are interested or too
[1:05:50] busy, whatever, but I gave you
[1:05:52] quite a large selection.
[1:05:53] Patrick sent out an email and
[1:05:54] see if you just sign up
[1:05:56] for a time that works
[1:05:57] for you and then there's going
[1:05:58] to be another walk
[1:05:59] after the walking tour,
[1:06:00] which is. That's the one where
[1:06:01] we'll do the actual more
[1:06:03] of the frontages. So I think
[1:06:04] that's the last slide. Yeah,
[1:06:06] that's the last slide. So
[1:06:07] that's it.
[1:06:09] >> Great.
[1:06:10] >> Thank you very much at this
[1:06:11] time we will bring it back
[1:06:13] to the commission for questions
[1:06:14] or comments.
[1:06:16] >> I think the only comment
[1:06:18] I'll make is
[1:06:19] about the creeks because a few
[1:06:20] of us went on a creek tour tour
[1:06:22] a couple weeks ago and we
[1:06:23] looked at some maps and I think
[1:06:25] the one thing that surprised me
[1:06:26] the most was it was very
[1:06:27] sporadic in
[1:06:31] between which was town owned,
[1:06:34] privately owned, water agency,
[1:06:35] county parks and how some
[1:06:37] of these developments manage.
[1:06:40] Working around some
[1:06:43] of that kind of stuff. So I
[1:06:45] think that was the most
[1:06:47] intriguing part or
[1:06:49] under knowledge that I gathered
[1:06:50] from the creek tour that we did
[1:06:52] just recently was just how much
[1:06:53] of it is actually privately
[1:06:55] owned.
[1:06:57] >> Thank you, sir. I invited
[1:06:58] Shannon from the public works
[1:07:00] department because I thought
[1:07:02] he'd be interested in this.
[1:07:05] When I saw his report, I
[1:07:07] thought, boy, if we had roads
[1:07:09] along the creeks,
[1:07:11] it'd be very clear who owns
[1:07:13] what, right? I mean,
[1:07:14] this is a picture
[1:07:16] of it. I mean, it wouldn't be
[1:07:17] confusing anymore if you had it
[1:07:19] on both sides. So anyway, I
[1:07:20] think that would solve that
[1:07:22] problem. I don't know if it
[1:07:23] would, but I think it might
[1:07:25] help.
[1:07:27] >> I have a quick question.
[1:07:28] Thank you for this. Very
[1:07:29] informative. Thank you. And I
[1:07:31] know in the past when I've
[1:07:32] heard things like front on,
[1:07:34] back on, it was kind
[1:07:35] of confusing. So I'm glad that
[1:07:37] we laid this out. And I'd
[1:07:38] encourage town staff to make
[1:07:39] sure we have examples when we
[1:07:41] talk about it for newer
[1:07:42] commissioners who aren't as
[1:07:43] smart as me, which will be
[1:07:44] actually smarter than me. You
[1:07:46] mentioned the garage setbacks
[1:07:48] were reduced in the zoning. Do
[1:07:49] you remember what they were
[1:07:51] reduced from?
[1:07:52] >> And, well, it's like they
[1:07:54] were measuring originally
[1:07:55] from the building, like a 10
[1:07:57] foot setback. Correct me if I'm
[1:07:59] wrong, Patrick, but 10ft from
[1:08:01] the building and then moved it
[1:08:04] to 10ft from the front
[1:08:06] of the porch.
[1:08:07] >> Okay, so there might be a
[1:08:09] difference.
[1:08:10] >> In where we're five feet.
[1:08:11] Drawing the chart five feet
[1:08:13] closer to the. So there's used
[1:08:14] to be five feet between the
[1:08:15] house and the garage,
[1:08:17] and now it's more like 5, 10ft
[1:08:18] to 5ft. So I'm just saying,
[1:08:19] just make a note to. That we
[1:08:20] know not to put it in front
[1:08:21] of the house, but, you know,
[1:08:23] where is that actual. You've
[1:08:24] reduced it. Just letting you
[1:08:25] know you've made. You've made a
[1:08:27] concession.
[1:08:28] >> Okay, thank you. I
[1:08:29] just want to know. Thank you.
[1:08:31] >> I can send
[1:08:32] around an email with specifics
[1:08:33] on what change in the zoning
[1:08:34] order. I don't think we
[1:08:35] actually reduced the standard
[1:08:36] by. But I think we changed what
[1:08:37] the options are.
[1:08:38] >> Okay, my stand corrected
[1:08:39] there. And I just want
[1:08:40] to make a note that Tim sat
[1:08:41] down with me for two hours and
[1:08:42] helped me get rid of all
[1:08:43] of the jargon
[1:08:44] in this lecture. So I hope it
[1:08:46] was gone anyway, so please sign
[1:08:48] up for the tours. I'll try
[1:08:51] and make it as fun as possible.
[1:08:53] Just three stops for both
[1:08:54] of them. And then you just look
[1:08:55] around, ask all the questions.
[1:08:57] Okay, thank you.
[1:08:59] >> Well, thank you very much.
[1:09:02] At this time we'll move
[1:09:03] into the public comment item.
[1:09:07] Members of the public wishing
[1:09:09] to address the commission on
[1:09:11] any consent calendar item or
[1:09:12] any item not listed
[1:09:13] on the agenda may do so
[1:09:14] at this time. Pursuant to the
[1:09:16] Brown act, the Commission is
[1:09:17] not allowed to consider issues
[1:09:18] or take action
[1:09:19] on any item not listed
[1:09:21] on the agenda
[1:09:22] during this period. Each public
[1:09:23] comment is normally restricted,
[1:09:25] restricted to three minutes
[1:09:26] in length and must be spoken
[1:09:27] into the microphone
[1:09:31] from the podium. If you wish
[1:09:32] to speak
[1:09:33] on a consent calendar item,
[1:09:34] please notify the chair
[1:09:36] during the public comment.
[1:09:37] Looks like we have one.
[1:09:39] >> Thank you.
[1:09:40] >> All right. Good evening
[1:09:41] Commission. My name is Kevin
[1:09:42] Scanlon, currently a 27 year
[1:09:43] resident of the town of
[1:09:44] Windsor, Windsor Creek
[1:09:46] residential elementary school
[1:09:47] neighborhood. I've been
[1:09:48] in the government Realm for
[1:09:50] over 40 years and educated
[1:09:51] for 26 years. I was a volunteer
[1:09:52] for 16 years at Windsor High
[1:09:54] School. Tonight's quote is just
[1:09:56] incredible. I was in front
[1:09:58] of you in January
[1:09:59] to provide you fair warning
[1:10:02] of the horrific saga
[1:10:03] about the Windsor Creek
[1:10:05] elementary site involving the
[1:10:06] ever popular Gallagher
[1:10:08] Gallagher Homes, their famous
[1:10:09] CEO who have been who have
[1:10:11] duped the Windsor Unified
[1:10:13] School District into believing
[1:10:14] they could be long term
[1:10:16] business partners. Here's a
[1:10:18] glimpse. Windsor Unified
[1:10:21] School District has entered an
[1:10:22] exclusive negotiating agreement
[1:10:24] with Gallaher Homes, all
[1:10:26] of which were negotiated
[1:10:27] with closed sessions. Gallaher
[1:10:29] is to tear down Windsor Creek
[1:10:31] elementary at a minimum cost
[1:10:33] to WSD and
[1:10:34] with the WS USD whining
[1:10:36] about the $2.5 million
[1:10:38] demolition and some asbestos
[1:10:40] mitigation to be performed.
[1:10:42] But the WUSD will get royalties
[1:10:44] from some
[1:10:45] of the apartments and monies
[1:10:47] from the sale of the property
[1:10:49] to Gallaher. But don't worry,
[1:10:50] Gallaher to the rescue because
[1:10:52] of the insane wealth
[1:10:54] of the company. They will pay
[1:10:55] for the property and mitigate
[1:10:56] all to the to get the rights
[1:10:58] to build a four story 368 high
[1:11:01] density apartments that the
[1:11:04] Sonoma County Fire Department
[1:11:06] can't effectively fight fire or
[1:11:10] conduct rescue operations to
[1:11:12] the fourth floor because their
[1:11:14] ladder trucks operations can
[1:11:17] only reach the third floor.
[1:11:18] Side note,
[1:11:20] most school districts with
[1:11:22] similar surplus properties are
[1:11:23] selling their properties
[1:11:25] to the city, town or county at
[1:11:26] fair market prices so the
[1:11:27] property can be turned into
[1:11:28] sports and media complexes
[1:11:30] because of the existing sport
[1:11:32] amenities etc. The California
[1:11:34] Teachers association advocates
[1:11:36] advocates for sales
[1:11:38] of properties to the town, city
[1:11:40] and counties because they know
[1:11:41] this will be a great. This will
[1:11:43] be great for communities and
[1:11:44] the children and adolescents
[1:11:46] within. So the Cora Creek
[1:11:47] apartments are
[1:11:49] of the same design
[1:11:51] but situated
[1:11:52] along the west side of
[1:11:54] Armando Renzulo Way which is
[1:11:55] the entrance road to Windsor
[1:11:56] Creek elevation elementary
[1:11:57] property where one house stood
[1:11:58] on 3.68 acres. Gallaher wants
[1:12:00] 106 apartments
[1:12:02] in a four story configuration.
[1:12:03] Of course the application is
[1:12:04] already filed in the town of
[1:12:06] Windsor planning department
[1:12:08] that is being prepared
[1:12:10] for this commission to deal
[1:12:11] with
[1:12:12] in a future commission meeting.
[1:12:14] However, the project gets
[1:12:16] flawed from the height
[1:12:17] to cequa to forced on street,
[1:12:19] park, parking, etc all of which
[1:12:22] will drain will be a drain
[1:12:24] to the town resources at every
[1:12:27] level including police and fire
[1:12:29] functions. Yep, as forewarned,
[1:12:32] Gallagher is ready
[1:12:33] to start his trifecta
[1:12:36] of building first the Cora
[1:12:37] Creek Apartments, then
[1:12:39] Windsor Creek elementary demise
[1:12:41] and the highly suspected huge
[1:12:43] property on the east side
[1:12:44] of old Redwood highway north
[1:12:45] of the Bell Village commercial
[1:12:47] commercial property that also
[1:12:49] houses Gallagher's Windsor base
[1:12:51] operations. I thank you for
[1:12:53] your time and your
[1:12:55] consideration tonight.
[1:12:56] >> Thank you. See no others
[1:13:01] lined up for public comment.
[1:13:04] We will close public comment
[1:13:06] at this time. Moving on
[1:13:08] to item number eight,
[1:13:09] the consent calendar. Consent
[1:13:11] calendar items are viewed as
[1:13:12] routine in nature and require
[1:13:13] little or no further discussion
[1:13:15] by the commission, public or
[1:13:16] applicants and will be acted
[1:13:17] upon through a single motion.
[1:13:19] We only have one item
[1:13:20] on the consent calendar. That
[1:13:21] is the approval
[1:13:22] for the regular meeting minutes
[1:13:23] of March 11, 2025. Do we have a
[1:13:25] motion for approval?
[1:13:26] >> Move to approve.
[1:13:27] >> We have a motion. Do we have
[1:13:28] a second?
[1:13:29] >> Second.
[1:13:30] >> Secretary May. And we have a
[1:13:32] roll call vote.
[1:13:34] >>[CALLING ROLL]
[1:13:41] >> Thank you.
[1:13:42] >> Moving on to item nine,
[1:13:44] public hearing. We have none
[1:13:45] scheduled at this time. Item
[1:13:46] 10 for a regular calendar.
[1:13:47] Also none scheduled
[1:13:49] at this time. Moving to item
[1:13:51] 11, written communications. Do
[1:13:53] any commissioners have any
[1:13:54] written communication they'd
[1:13:56] like
[1:13:57] to acknowledge receiving? None
[1:13:59] at this time. Moving to item
[1:14:01] 12, commissioner comments.
[1:14:02] Commissioners have comments.
[1:14:04] >> It says, including reports,
[1:14:08] meetings and conferences and
[1:14:10] activities
[1:14:11] in miscellaneous agencies. And
[1:14:13] I did go have coffee and
[1:14:14] chitchat with Tim Massey. He
[1:14:16] wanted to give a presentation
[1:14:18] on the Quail Acres project and
[1:14:20] it was just his overview
[1:14:21] of trying to get me up to speed
[1:14:23] as the newest commissioner
[1:14:25] of what they've done so far
[1:14:27] at this commission. It's pretty
[1:14:29] brief and pretty informational.
[1:14:31] >> All right, Moving on. Item
[1:14:34] 12.2, Commission request
[1:14:39] for future agenda items
[1:14:41] at this time. Seeing none. We
[1:14:46] will close item 12. Item 13,
[1:14:49] the Community Development
[1:14:50] Director's report. Director
[1:14:52] Streeter.
[1:14:53] >> Thank you, Chair. A couple
[1:14:55] things. One, all the members of
[1:14:56] the commission should have
[1:14:58] received an invitation
[1:15:00] to next week's workshop Voices
[1:15:01] of Windsor. It'll be held here.
[1:15:04] We'll have various town
[1:15:06] officials. I believe Shannon
[1:15:07] and I will be there as well as
[1:15:09] many members of the council. I
[1:15:10] would strongly encourage,
[1:15:11] if you're available, to have
[1:15:13] commission members present too.
[1:15:14] It would really enhance the
[1:15:16] evening for everyone. Also, the
[1:15:18] CNU 33, the Congress for the
[1:15:19] New Urbanists Urbanism is
[1:15:23] coming up. So I have previously
[1:15:25] asked if there's any interest
[1:15:27] on the commission,
[1:15:28] please let me or Amanda know if
[1:15:30] you're interested
[1:15:32] in attending this year.
[1:15:34] >> Yes, that's a good idea.
[1:15:39] >> Yeah.
[1:15:43] >> It begins on June 11th and
[1:15:44] it's usually a three day
[1:15:45] conference. Providence East
[1:15:48] Coast. Also, we are polling
[1:15:51] for a potential special meeting
[1:15:53] at the end of April, April
[1:15:56] 29th. So if you haven't
[1:15:59] responded to the request from
[1:16:02] Amanda, please do so. And then
[1:16:05] just some upcoming items. We
[1:16:07] have our next meeting April
[1:16:11] 8th. We'll have Ms. Fisher back
[1:16:14] for for her second presentation
[1:16:16] which will be history of
[1:16:18] Planning in Windsor since
[1:16:20] Incorporation. We'll also have
[1:16:22] some public hearings
[1:16:24] on that agenda,
[1:16:26] including the old Redwood
[1:16:28] Highway Villages project which
[1:16:29] is gearing up
[1:16:31] for construction, but they have
[1:16:34] a minor modification
[1:16:35] to the resolution of approval
[1:16:37] to request that has to do with
[1:16:39] second story windows as well as
[1:16:41] a comprehensive sign program
[1:16:42] amendment for the Lakewood
[1:16:43] Shopping Center. This is
[1:16:45] on behest of the upcoming
[1:16:47] Dollar Tree tenant which is
[1:16:49] moving in and
[1:16:51] on council agendas. April 16th
[1:16:53] we have heritage park fee
[1:16:55] deferral agreement. So
[1:16:57] Heritage park,
[1:16:59] the project has been approved
[1:17:02] by the commission. They've
[1:17:04] returned
[1:17:06] to the council several times
[1:17:08] for some financing strategies.
[1:17:09] One of those was a deferral
[1:17:11] of fees. They've asked
[1:17:13] for some amendments
[1:17:14] to that deferral. The council
[1:17:16] was open
[1:17:19] to that and so have asked staff
[1:17:20] to come back with a prepared
[1:17:22] resolution that would approve
[1:17:23] that. So hopefully with that
[1:17:25] in place, we'll see that
[1:17:27] project finally penciled
[1:17:28] out and start construction.
[1:17:29] And then lastly on May 21,
[1:17:30] which seems like a ways away,
[1:17:32] but it'll be here soon,
[1:17:33] we'll have our annual report on
[1:17:35] the housing element and the
[1:17:36] general plan. And that
[1:17:38] concludes my report. Thank you.
[1:17:39] >> Thank you very much. At this
[1:17:41] time we will adjourn the
[1:17:42] meeting. The next regular
[1:17:44] meeting of the Planning
[1:17:45] commission is scheduled for
[1:17:46] Tuesday, April 8, 2025
[1:17:47] at 5:30pm and will be held
[1:17:49] in the council chambers located
[1:17:50] at 9291 Old Redwood highway,
[1:17:51] building 400 Windsor.