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>> Thank you. And now we'll

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there's any changes

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for tonight.

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>> No changes that I'm aware

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I'm going to report out. On

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June 17th, the Town Council

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held 3 closed sessions. There

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was a conference

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with legal counsel

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on existing litigation,

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Bourbon Birdie Investments LLC

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with the Town of Windsor, and

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then a conference with legal

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counsel anticipating

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litigation,

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initiating litigation pursuant

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to paragraph four

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of subdivision D of section

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five four nine five six point

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nine. One potential case,

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conference with legal counsel

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on existing litigation,

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Evergreen Windsor. MHP LLC

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versus Town of Windsor. And the

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closed session adjourned

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at 9:12 PM, and there's no

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reportable action taken. And

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now we're going to move on

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to our presentations. Vice

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Mayor is going to read,

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read one for us.

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>> I have a proclamation

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of the Town Council of the

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Town of Windsor proclaiming

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July 2026 as Parks Make Life

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Better Month. Whereas July is

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celebrated

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across the nation as Parks and

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Recreation Month because lives

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and communities are better

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by parks and recreation now and

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in the future. And whereas

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parks and recreation promotes

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physical, emotional,

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and mental health and wellness

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through organized and

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self-directed fitness, play,

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and activity for people

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of all ages sorry,

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all ages and abilities. And

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parks and recreation supports

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the economic vitality

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of communities

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by attracting new businesses,

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promoting community

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revitalization, increasing

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tourism, providing jobs,

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increasing property values and

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generating revenues. And Parks

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and Recreation creates

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memorable experiences

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through fulfilling programs,

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dynamic events,

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and new opportunities designed

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to engage people

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in their communities and

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with each other. And whereas

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Parks and Recreation fosters

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social cohesiveness

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in communities

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by celebrating diversity,

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providing inclusive services,

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modeling compassion,

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promoting social equity,

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connecting social networks, and

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ensuring all people have access

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to its benefits. And parks and

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recreation sustains and

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stewards our natural resources

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by protecting habitats and open

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space, connecting people

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to nature, and promoting the

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ecological function

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of parkland. Now therefore be

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it resolved that the Town

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Council of the Town of Windsor

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hereby proclaims July 2026 as

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Parks Make Life Better Month,

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and in doing so

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urges all citizens

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to use and enjoy Town of

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space,

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facilities and recreational

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opportunities, including art,

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history, and culture.

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to receive that is Director

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Lehman and staff.

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>> Good evening. Thank you,

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Mayor and council members.

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Olivia Lehman, Parks and

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Recreation Director. It is an

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honor that I get

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to stand up here with,

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just a few of our large team to

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accept this this recognition.

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The this team is incredible

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in their commitment and passion

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to the work that they do

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in our community. Many

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of us live in this community,

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raise our families here. Our

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parents use the Windsor

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Senior Recreation Center. Most

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recently, one of our staff

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members who is now full time

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started off in Windsor.

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preschool program as a

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preschooler and then came to be

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a part-time employee and is now

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full-time. So, we really have

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come at it with the motto

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of grow your own. Not only do

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we maintain great parks and

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programs

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within the community,

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but we also bring a level

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of commitment and pride

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to the work that we do. So, we

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enjoy this month. We get

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to highlight some

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of the great people that are in

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our community doing this work

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every day, but really,

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they do it 365 days a year.

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days a year. The bathrooms are

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open on Christmas

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in the parks. The gates are

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unlocked on New Year's Day.

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of the work and commitment

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of our team. So, thank you.

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>> Thank you. And now we have a

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presentation from the Sonoma

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Branch.

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>> Good evening. My name is

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Deborah Doyle. I'm you're for

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about the next 15 days,

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I'm your Windsor Library

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Commissioner, and I'd love

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to introduce the director

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of the library system. This

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presentation is going to be

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about Windsor,

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but it's also going to be

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about the overall Sonoma

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County Library System. And this

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is Erica Thibault, our fabulous

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library director.

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>> Perfect.

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>> Good evening, Mayor, Vice

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Mayor, council members, and

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City Manager Davis. It's good

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to see you all again. I'm gonna

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give you a little bit

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of information

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about what we've been up to

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in the last year,

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as well as what's been

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happening at the Windsor

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Library. As you all know,

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Sonoma County Library is

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comprised of 12 regional

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libraries, 2 community

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libraries, 3 special

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collections, and a library

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administration center. Our

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system is formed by,

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by a joint powers agreement

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between the 9 cities and the

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County of Sonoma, and this

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allows us to provide services

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to over half a million

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residents countywide. The

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Windsor Regional Library, you

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know, opened in 1996. We

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recently had a renovation

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of the library,

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and I know many

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of you were there. We bought

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some new furniture,

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we installed some new shelving,

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we painted, we have new

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carpeting that was courtesy

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of the City of Windsor, or the

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Town of Windsor, and it really

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created a much more open and

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welcoming space, and we know

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that our residents and our

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staff really love it. One of

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the things that we've also

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seen, we have 2 closures right

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now, the Rankin Valley Library

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and the Sebastopol Library, and

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we are seeing an increase

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in foot traffic at the

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Windsor Library as a result

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of these closures,

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about 11% increase. Another

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interesting thing that we began

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this summer is lunch

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at the library, and this is 5

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days a week. We provide lunch

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to youth 0 to 18. It has been

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extremely popular. We're seeing

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between 30 and 50 children

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every day that we provide the

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and it just demonstrates how

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the library is helping families

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who are experiencing food

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insecurity. Overall, the visits

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to the branch, we're seeing an

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upward trajectory. So, our

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weekly visits are at 3,172

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patrons. This puts Windsor

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near just after Northwest

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Santa Rosa and before Sonoma

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Valley Library. As you know,

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in 2024, the library went out

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for its sales tax measure. We

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extended the Measure Y sales

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tax. This one will start in

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April 2027. We passed

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with a little over 68%

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of the vote. This just

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demonstrates how the library

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has responded to our

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communities and residents and

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the great support that they

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have for the library. Last

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year, we also completed several

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modernization projects,

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including the Windsor

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modernization. We put

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in a new patio in the

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Cloverdale Library. We

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completely renovated the

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Petaluma and the Healdsburg

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Library, as well as the

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Windsor Library. All

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of these projects were roughly

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$8 million over the period

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of a year and a half,

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and I hope that you have If you

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haven't had a chance

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to see the Windsor Library,

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please do, but also visit

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Petaluma and Healdsburg. We've

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also just completed our new

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strategic plan. This is a

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5-year plan that will begin

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this fiscal year. As part

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of our plan, we did a community

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survey and we received over

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7,000 responses. This was a

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historic record high

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in responses

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from the community. We also

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received 15% responses

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from non-library users,

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which is really helpful for us

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to identify those services that

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we, that we can provide

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to lure those non-users

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into the library. We also saw

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an almost 98% customer

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satisfaction rating,

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which is really incredible.

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that this just demonstrates the

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high level of customer service

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that our staff provides. As

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of our community engagement, we

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did library commissioner

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interviews. We did branch

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visits to all

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of our branches. We had 3 staff

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focus groups, 9 stakeholder

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listening sessions, and 12

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community listening sessions.

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One was held at the Windsor

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Library. One of the things so

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this is a chart showing the

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patron satisfaction

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with our offerings. That first

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bar is our customer service,

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and the dark blue is the very

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satisfied,

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the light blue is satisfied.

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So that is our highest rating.

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At the end of the chart, you

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see our the concern that

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patrons have is really

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over the wait times

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for holds. And what that is

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specifically is

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for our eMedia. So, one of the

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things people don't understand

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with eMedia is that they think

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that we just have endless

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supplies. But our ebooks are

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actually license agreements,

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and we have

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to purchase them every 2 And so

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once we, you know, once that

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ends, we have

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to repurchase them. They're

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very expensive. And so our

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budget doesn't always match the

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demand for those eMedia items.

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But it's still, you know,

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it's still a very, you know,

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high satisfaction. There's just

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a desire from the community for

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more funds put towards those

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eMedia resources. And what we

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did this fiscal year

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to increase the budget

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for that is we looked at some

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request funding that we had,

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and we allocated funds

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to our digital media. And we

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purchased permanent licenses

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for many of our long-term

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backlist titles. So last year,

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we had very high numbers as a

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result. Whenever you open a new

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library,

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we see incredibly high demands,

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or when you reopen the library.

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We had just over 1.4 million

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visits. We also had a

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circulation of 4.4 million.

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which is very high. As you can

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see from the chart,

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the dark blue is the physical

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media,

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and the orange is the digital.

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Our physical media has kind

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of stayed relatively stable.

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Our digital circulation has

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increased exponentially. But we

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still are having very high

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circulation despite those

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library closures. Out of 100

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library jurisdictions, The

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Sonoma County Library is 6th

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in terms of our Libby, which is

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our main eMedia platform,

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and also in terms of Link+.

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So, Link+ is a service where

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you can request items from

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over 70 libraries

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around the state of

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California. So, we are 6th

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in the state, and there's 181

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library jurisdictions,

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and we are 11th in size. So

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that just goes to show how

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supportive how much the

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community supports the library

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and how active they are

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in reading. And now I'm going

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to turn it over to Deborah, who

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is going

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to give you some information

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about what's going on at the

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Windsor branch.

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>> We'd also like

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to thank the town of Windsor

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and the Friends of the Library

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for being so generous in terms

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of how we renovated the library

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a little bit. It's still too

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small. I think everybody knows

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that it's still too small, but

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for now, It's

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in very good shape. And as

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Erica said, the circulation and

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the visit numbers are going up

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when the other branches are

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closed, but they stay up,

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which is the interesting thing.

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So, once they discover the

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Windsor Library, the numbers

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are actually staying up. So,

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from July 2025 to June 2026,

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the Windsor Library had a total

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of 127,104 visitors. Averaging

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approximately 10,500 visitors a

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month. I think that's amazing.

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In the same time period,

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we checked out a total of

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170,000, 171,000 physical items

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and offered 519 events

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with a total overall attendance

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of 8,363 people. We've got tai

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chi and yoga for adults. We've

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got knitting for adults. We've

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got book buddies. If you

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haven't signed up

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for the summer reading, please

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do so because the kids and the

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adults get prizes. The Read

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for the Dog program is one

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of the best programs ever.

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Just watching it gives

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everybody

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in the room a smile,

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and it allows the children who

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may be a little nervous

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about reading to actually read

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to a dog. And it's just,

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it's so good

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for them and so good

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for everybody. It's a great

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after-school hangout

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for teens. The story times for

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the kids and their caregivers,

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we usually have 50 to 60

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attendees per story time, which

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fills up that conference room.

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It absolutely fills up the

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conference room. And then

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there's a Build Club

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for teens. And let's see, in

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June, we had, alone, we had

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11,818 patron visits. So, it's

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truly an amazing thing. And the

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Summer Lunch at the Library,

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which she's mentioned,

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is really a very special thing.

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It started a long time ago

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with a grant

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from a major foundation in

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San Francisco, and the

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California Library Association

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kind of started with it. And it

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has grown and inspired states

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all over the country to make

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sure that the kids who don't

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have enough food can eat

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something, and sometimes their

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parents even kind of come in

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to take advantage of it. And

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one

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of the other special things

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about this is that we have

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teens who are also working

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in the program. So, the teens

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are the ones that are actually

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organizing the things

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for the kids to do

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during the lunch

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at the library, and so it's

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really a wonderful community

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event. I,

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as I was the commissioner for

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6 years, Mike Neely also

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deserves a special thanks. He

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was a member,

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he was my appointee

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to the oversight committee.

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And that's one

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of the special things

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about the library funding. We

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have an oversight committee

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that takes a look

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at how we spend the sales tax.

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And we think that's very

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important. So, they provide a

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report annually about

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how they think we did,

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what they think we should do

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in the future. So those

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oversight committees are

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incredibly important. And I'd

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also like to thank the

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Library Advisory Board, which

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is, again, civilians who are

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appointed, who then are out in

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the community and tell me and

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tell Erica what they think that

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the community of Windsor wants.

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So, all in all,

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the library system and the

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Windsor Library are doing very

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well, and we appreciate you

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taking the time

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to listen.

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>> Thanks so much.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Um, questions?

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>> Any questions?

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>> I would like

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to say something about Chair,

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former Chair Deborah.

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>> Hold up for a minute. Do you

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want

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to do this next little stage?

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Yeah, and I'll invite you back

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up. Okay, let's do this. But do

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we have questions regarding the

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presentation?

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>> No?

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>> Okay, so please stay up,

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please. Yes, we're going

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to move on to item 7.3. No,

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Deborah. Stay up here. Don't

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go. Stay right here. So, it is

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my pleasure to recognize

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Deborah Doyle for her

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outstanding service as a member

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of the Sonoma County Library

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Commission representing the

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Town of Windsor from 2020 to

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2026. Deborah has been a

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tireless advocate

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for libraries at the local,

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state, and national levels.

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Her leadership has helped

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strengthen library systems

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expand public support,

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and promote access

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to lifelong learning,

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and helping secure vital

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funding for the Sonoma County

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Library System. Throughout her

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service to Windsor, Deborah has

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generously shared her

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expertise, passion,

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and thoughtful leadership

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to help advance library

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services to our community. Her

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commitment to public service

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and ensuring that libraries

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continue to thrive has made a

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minimal meaningful and lasting

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impact. On behalf of the Town

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Council and the residents of

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Windsor, thank you, Deborah,

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for your 6 years

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of dedicated service,

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leadership, and advocacy. We

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are grateful for you and wish

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you all the best in your future

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endeavors. I know you're not

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disappearing, right?

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>> I'm honored. I know I'm not

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disappearing.

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>> Good. So let me,

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let me give you this. Do you

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want to say a few words?

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>> She's so diffident. So, I,

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I just want to say that I was a

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new library director when I was

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hired at Sonoma County

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Library, and I'm so,

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so grateful that I had

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Commissioner Deborah Doyle as

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the chair of the commission

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at that time. She really

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provided an enormous amount

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of leadership and guidance

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to me,

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and I couldn't have done it

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without her. She also has

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mentored and coached me not

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only in my role as director

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but also at the state and

590
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national levels. She roped me

591
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into advocacy work and even

592
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though she's leaving the

593
00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:57,603
Commission, I know that I will

594
00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:59,300
continue seeing her

595
00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:01,300
in our dual roles

596
00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,300
in advocacy. So, thank you,

597
00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:03,300
Deborah, for all of your hard

598
00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,300
work and all the things that

599
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:07,403
you helped me accomplish.

600
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,300
>> Just briefly, because you

601
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have so many other things

602
00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:18,300
to talk about tonight,

603
00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:20,300
it's truly an honor to be,

604
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to be to have been your

605
00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:24,300
commissioner. I've been

606
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involved in libraries

607
00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:27,300
for a long time, but I also

608
00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:29,300
knew that when I came up

609
00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,300
to see my dad, that one

610
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of the things that we were

611
00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:33,300
going

612
00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:34,300
to be doing when I was up

613
00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:35,300
from San Francisco was going

614
00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,300
to the library, cause Dad had a

615
00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:37,300
library card. He moved up here

616
00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,300
as the town was incorporating

617
00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:40,300
and loved this town. And so, I

618
00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:43,300
hope that I have done him

619
00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:45,300
proud. And my mom was a

620
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:47,300
teacher,

621
00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:49,300
and I hope I've done her proud.

622
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There are all kinds

623
00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,300
of things going on We are so

624
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lucky in California

625
00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:56,300
in so many ways, and one of

626
00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:58,300
those ways is because we don't

627
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have as much censorship. We

628
00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,300
have a Freedom to Read bill

629
00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,300
that passed our legislature and

630
00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,300
that Governor Newsom signed a

631
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,300
couple of years ago. That

632
00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:08,300
doesn't mean there isn't some,

633
00:21:08,300 --> 00:21:10,300
and that doesn't mean that we

634
00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:11,300
shouldn't be helping people who

635
00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:12,300
are facing it. And so, I'm

636
00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:13,300
grateful that this town is

637
00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:15,300
supportive of the freedom to

638
00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,300
read and loves its library.

639
00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,403
>> Thank you again. Perfect.

640
00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:28,300
Okay, we're going to move on

641
00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:30,300
to our upcoming,

642
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,300
upcoming town events.

643
00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:33,300
Councilmember Leep, you want

644
00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:35,300
to start

645
00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:36,300
with the first 2?

646
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,300
>> Certainly. Thank you,

647
00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:41,300
Mayor. The first announcement is

648
00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:47,300
for Summer Nights on the Green

649
00:21:47,300 --> 00:21:48,300
concert series on Thursday,

650
00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:49,300
July 16th, 2026. That's, day

651
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,300
after tomorrow. Actually, I

652
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:51,300
guess it's tomorrow at the

653
00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,300
Town Green. The band is

654
00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:54,300
Freestone Peaches. The farmers

655
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:56,300
market starts

656
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:57,300
at 5:30 PM and concert begins

657
00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:00,300
at 6 PM. Did I say 5:30?

658
00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:02,300
>> You did.

659
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,300
>> That's weird. It doesn't say

660
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,300
that. A farmers market starts

661
00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:08,300
at 5 PM and the concerts begin

662
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:09,300
at 6 PM. Then the Family

663
00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:11,300
Movies on the Green, Tuesday,

664
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:12,300
July 21st. The movie is Cars,

665
00:22:12,300 --> 00:22:14,300
one of my favorites. New LED

666
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,300
screen, new start time. Movie

667
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,300
begins at 7 PM. Movies continue

668
00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:19,300
on Tuesday nights on the Town

669
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:20,300
Green through August 4th,

670
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,300
2026.

671
00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:25,300
>> All right, and we have

672
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,300
Volunteer Day coming up on

673
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:28,300
Saturday, July 25th from 9 to

674
00:22:28,300 --> 00:22:30,300
11 AM at Los Robles Park. Join

675
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:31,300
your neighbors and help

676
00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,300
beautify our community.

677
00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:34,300
For details and to RSVP,

678
00:22:34,300 --> 00:22:36,300
please contact Parks and

679
00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:37,300
Recreation at 707-838- And then

680
00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:39,300
we will be having National

681
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:40,300
Night Out Tuesday, August 4th

682
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:43,603
from 6 to 8 PM at the Windsor

683
00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:47,300
sorry, at the Town Green

684
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:50,300
Market Street, presented by

685
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,300
Windsor Police Department.

686
00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:52,300
This is a free family-friendly

687
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:53,300
event which features emergency

688
00:22:53,300 --> 00:22:55,300
vehicles, games,

689
00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:56,300
and safety information from our

690
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:57,300
first responders and local

691
00:22:57,300 --> 00:22:59,300
resources.

692
00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:02,300
>> Saturday, September 26th is

693
00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:03,300
the Windsor Day Parade. The

694
00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,300
parade is Fly Me to the Moon.

695
00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:07,300
That's the theme. The parade

696
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,300
begins at 10 AM. Parade entries

697
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:10,300
are due September 4th.

698
00:23:10,300 --> 00:23:13,300
For entry and parade details,

699
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,403
visit kiwaniswindsor.org. As

700
00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:19,300
always, the Sunday Farmers

701
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:20,300
Market every Sunday through

702
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:22,300
December 6th, 9 AM to 12:30,

703
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:23,300
and that's on the Town Green

704
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:25,300
Market Street.

705
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,300
>> Thank you, everyone. Town

706
00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:28,300
Manager, do you have a report

707
00:23:28,300 --> 00:23:30,300
out or report?

708
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:32,300
>> Thank you, Mayor Reynoza.

709
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:34,300
John Davis, Town Manager. 2

710
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:36,403
items tonight. So first,

711
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,300
as some of you are aware,

712
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,300
we've started the process of

713
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:43,300
reviewing and updating the

714
00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:44,300
station area plan. The team

715
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:46,300
in Community Development has

716
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:47,300
been working hard on that. So

717
00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,300
we'd like to invite everyone to

718
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:50,300
the station area plan community

719
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:52,300
meeting,

720
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:53,300
which will be this coming

721
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:55,300
Monday, July 20th, from 5 to 7

722
00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:57,300
here at Town Hall. There will

723
00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:59,300
be some refreshments.

724
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:02,300
And this is an opportunity

725
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:03,300
to share your ideas

726
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:04,300
about the future

727
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,300
of the downtown. So, we'd love

728
00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:06,300
to hear from you. Translation

729
00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:07,300
services will also be available

730
00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:08,300
if needed. Also,

731
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:09,300
before you go, if you want

732
00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:10,300
to take a moment to complete,

733
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:11,300
there's a brief anonymous

734
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,300
4-question survey at the back

735
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:14,300
of the room. If you want

736
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,300
to take that and leave it

737
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:17,300
for us, it only takes a few

738
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:18,300
seconds and it will help inform

739
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:20,403
the plan. Secondly, just,

740
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:23,300
there's been a lot

741
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:24,300
of talk this week about the

742
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:25,300
Windsor Creek Elementary

743
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,300
School site. Lots

744
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,300
of questions, and I wanted

745
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:29,300
to call out that Director

746
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:30,300
Streeter did a great

747
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:32,300
presentation last night

748
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,300
at the Planning Commission

749
00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:34,300
meeting just regarding process

750
00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:35,300
and trying to answer some

751
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:36,300
general questions about, you

752
00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,300
know, what things may look like

753
00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:40,300
regarding that property as

754
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,300
things go forward. And so that

755
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:44,300
is that video is posted

756
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,300
to the town website. The town

757
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:50,300
actually has a special page

758
00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,300
dedicated to the Windsor Creek

759
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,300
site,

760
00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:56,300
so you can find the video

761
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:57,300
of the presentation there, and

762
00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,300
I encourage anybody that has

763
00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:00,300
questions about the process

764
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:01,300
to watch that. That concludes

765
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:02,300
my report. Thank you.

766
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:03,300
>> Thank you very much. Now I'd

767
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:04,300
like

768
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:05,300
to ask if there's any conflict

769
00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:06,300
of interest to declare

770
00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:08,403
for tonight's meeting. Seeing

771
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:10,300
none, we're going

772
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,300
to go ahead and move on

773
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,300
to our public comment section.

774
00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:14,300
So, any members

775
00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:15,300
of the public wishing to speak

776
00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:17,300
to the council on any consent

777
00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:18,300
calendar items or any item

778
00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:20,300
that's not listed

779
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:22,300
on the agenda may do so

780
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:24,300
at this time. Pursuant to the

781
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:25,300
Brown Act, the council is not

782
00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:26,300
allowed to consider issues or

783
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:27,300
take action

784
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:28,300
on any item not listed

785
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:30,300
on the agenda

786
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:31,300
during this period. So, we have

787
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:32,300
3 minutes. We have a new clock

788
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:34,300
up here, to my right,

789
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:37,603
and then the timer's, I think,

790
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:39,300
still over there. Anyways, you

791
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:40,300
have 3 minutes. so please,

792
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:41,300
if you want to speak,

793
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:42,300
go ahead and start lining up

794
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:44,300
at the podium. Anyone watching

795
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:46,300
from home, you can email us at

796
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,300
owncouncil@townofwindsor.ca.gov

797
00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,300
at any time,

798
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:52,300
and that email goes to all

799
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,300
of us up here,

800
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:56,300
including the town manager.

801
00:25:56,300 --> 00:26:00,203
Thank you very much. And if you

802
00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:05,300
wish

803
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:06,300
to state your name and address,

804
00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:08,300
you may do so,

805
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,300
but it's not required.

806
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:11,300
>> Okay. Good evening,

807
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,300
council members and Madam

808
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:14,300
Mayor. My name is Jesse

809
00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,300
Valerie. I live in the

810
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,300
Oakfield neighborhood. I'd

811
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:19,300
like to make a comment on the

812
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,300
Windsor Creek Elementary site.

813
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,300
I'd like to ask how the town

814
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:24,300
evaluates cumulative impacts

815
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:26,300
and determines what is

816
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:28,300
considered safe. We know each

817
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,300
project undergoes environmental

818
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:32,300
review under CEQA and traffic

819
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:33,300
analysis, but my question is,

820
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:34,300
how safe how is safe actually

821
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:36,300
determined? What data,

822
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:38,300
assumptions,

823
00:26:38,300 --> 00:26:40,300
and standards are being used to

824
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:41,300
conclude that the cumulative

825
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,300
impacts on traffic

826
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:45,300
infrastructure and emergency

827
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,300
evacuations are acceptable.

828
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,300
Are those analysis based on

829
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:50,300
today's conditions and the

830
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:52,300
current number of approved,

831
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:53,300
proposed,

832
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:54,300
and under-construction

833
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:56,300
developments, or are these

834
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,403
projects still being evaluated

835
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:00,300
largely

836
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,300
on an individual basis? Using a

837
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:03,300
conservative estimate of 2

838
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:05,300
vehicles per household, the

839
00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:06,300
Armando Rizzulo development,

840
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:08,300
the Mill Creek project,

841
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:09,300
the existing Oakfield

842
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:11,300
neighborhood, And Windsor

843
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,403
Mobile Country Club represent

844
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:15,300
roughly 860 homes and

845
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,300
approximately 1,700 vehicles.

846
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:18,300
If the proposed Gallaher

847
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:20,300
project is approved,

848
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:21,300
that number grows

849
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:22,300
to approximately 1,200 homes

850
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:24,300
and nearly 2,500 vehicles

851
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:27,300
relying on essentially the same

852
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,300
road network. At what point

853
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,300
does the town determine that

854
00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:33,300
the cumulative impact has

855
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:35,300
reached a level that requires

856
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:36,300
reevaluation? Is there a

857
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,300
capacity threshold for our

858
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,403
roads and evacuation routes,

859
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:42,300
and if so,

860
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:43,300
are we approaching it? As

861
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,300
someone who lives

862
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:46,300
in the neighborhood,

863
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:48,300
I already see cracked

864
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:49,300
sidewalks, limited parking,

865
00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:50,300
speeding traffic, and

866
00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:51,300
infrastructure that struggles

867
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:52,300
to serve today's residents.

868
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,300
So, my concern isn't simply

869
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,300
about growth, it's about

870
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,300
whether our infrastructure and

871
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:58,300
emergency access are keeping

872
00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:59,300
pace with that growth. Growth

873
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:01,300
is important, but so are public

874
00:28:01,300 --> 00:28:03,403
safety and thoughtful planning.

875
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,300
I respectfully ask the council

876
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,300
to help residents understand

877
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:10,300
how these conclusions are

878
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:11,300
reached,

879
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:13,300
what evidence supports them,

880
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:14,300
and how the town ensures that

881
00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:15,300
the cumulative impacts are

882
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,300
being fully considered before

883
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:19,300
additional density is approved.

884
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:20,300
Additionally, I urge the

885
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:22,300
council to vote

886
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:23,300
against rezoning the Windsor

887
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,300
Creek Elementary site for

888
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,300
residential when that is

889
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:28,300
presented. Thank you.

890
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,300
>> Hi, Council. Good evening.

891
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:44,300
My name is Melanie. I live

892
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:45,300
in the Oakfield neighborhood.

893
00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:46,300
I'm here tonight representing

894
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:47,300
myself and many of my neighbors

895
00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:48,300
opposing the rezoning. There's

896
00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:49,300
a lot of reasons why we

897
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:51,403
oppose, but I'll keep,

898
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,300
I'll keep the focus

899
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,300
on the ones that matter most.

900
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:55,300
Density and access. The

901
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,300
Oakfield neighborhood is small.

902
00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:58,300
With Condie Lane being the only

903
00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:59,300
road in and out. A 360-plus

904
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:00,300
unit development is too dense

905
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,300
for this site,

906
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:03,300
especially stacked on top of

907
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:05,403
Coral Creek's 100-plus units

908
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:07,300
already in development.

909
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:08,300
Together, that's over 400 new

910
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,300
families funneling through one

911
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:11,300
access point. wildfire

912
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,300
evacuation. The single road

913
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:14,300
bottleneck is not a

914
00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,300
hypothetical risk. Most

915
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,300
Sonoma County residents have

916
00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:19,300
evacuated for wildfire

917
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:20,300
at least once. Many know what

918
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,300
it feels like to be stuck

919
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,300
in gridlock, fearing

920
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,300
for your life, unable

921
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,300
to move. This was my experience

922
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,300
living on the edge of Coffey

923
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:29,300
Park during the 2017 Tubbs

924
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:30,300
Fire. Adding hundreds more

925
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:32,300
households to a neighborhood

926
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:33,300
with only one way out isn't

927
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,300
just a planning problem, it's a

928
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:36,300
public safety problem. traffic

929
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:37,300
and parking. Look

930
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,300
at what's already happening

931
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:42,300
at Shiloh Terrace. We don't

932
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:45,300
have

933
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,300
to guess what it looks like, we

934
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:47,300
can just see it a few blocks

935
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:49,300
away. The housing math isn't

936
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:50,300
adding up. Between Heritage

937
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,300
Park, Cascadia Burbank

938
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:53,300
Housing, Cora Creek, and

939
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:55,300
Shiloh Crossing, there are

940
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:56,300
already 346 units proposed or

941
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:57,300
in development nearby. The

942
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,300
already constructed

943
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:01,300
developments, Shiloh Terrace

944
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:02,300
and Redwood Views, are both

945
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,300
currently struggling

946
00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,300
to fill vacancies,

947
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:06,300
and no survey has been

948
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:07,300
conducted

949
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:08,300
to demonstrate demand

950
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:10,300
for another 360+ units on top

951
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:11,300
of that. In addition, the

952
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:12,300
Windsor's low-income housing

953
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,300
quota has already been met.

954
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:15,300
Open space. Windsor is already

955
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:18,300
short on parks, and the

956
00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:21,300
Oakfield neighborhood does not

957
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:22,300
have a park. The field on this

958
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,300
property is the only green

959
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,300
space we have. Once it's paved,

960
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,300
it's gone. My partner and I

961
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:31,300
built our lives in the

962
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,300
Oakfield neighborhood,

963
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:33,300
believing the school site would

964
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:35,300
remain zoned for public use.

965
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,300
The neighborhood felt safe and

966
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:37,300
community-oriented the kind

967
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:38,300
of place to put

968
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:39,300
down roots and start a family.

969
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:40,300
With all these points I've

970
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,300
mentioned. we are wondering if

971
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:43,300
we made a mistake. the bottom

972
00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:45,300
line is we're asking the

973
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:46,300
council

974
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,300
to not approve a rezoning of

975
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,300
from public use

976
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:51,300
to high-density residential.

977
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,300
Thank you for your time.

978
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:05,300
>> Good evening, council.

979
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,300
My name is Kevin Scanlon,

980
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,300
currently a 29-year Resident

981
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:11,300
of the town of Windsor,

982
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:13,300
Windsor Creek residential and

983
00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:15,300
elementary school neighborhood.

984
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:16,300
I've been

985
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:17,300
in the government realm for

986
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:18,300
over 40 years and an educator

987
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:19,300
for 27 years. I was a volunteer

988
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,300
for 16 years at Windsor High

989
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:21,300
School. Well,

990
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:22,300
after nearly a 2-year journey

991
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,300
to save the Windsor Creek

992
00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:24,300
Elementary property

993
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:25,300
for the town use, Windsor

994
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,300
Unified School District

995
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:28,300
Superintendent and his board

996
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:29,300
continued to align themselves

997
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:30,300
with Gallagher's company and

998
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:32,300
disregards the town's desire

999
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,300
to keep the property. as public

1000
00:31:33,300 --> 00:31:34,300
for use of the Town of

1001
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:35,300
Windsor. Gallagher the other

1002
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,300
night filed this application

1003
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,300
to build seeking a 7-building,

1004
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,300
4-story-high,

1005
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,300
370-plus unit area. We again

1006
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,300
thank the Town Council and

1007
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,300
Town Manager and Town Attorney

1008
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:54,300
for their efforts

1009
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,300
to absolutely try

1010
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:56,300
to do the right thing

1011
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:58,300
in the negotiations With

1012
00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:59,300
Windsor Unified School

1013
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:00,300
District over the Windsor

1014
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,300
Creek Elementary site.

1015
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:04,300
Windsor Unified School

1016
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:05,300
District has been amassing

1017
00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:06,300
their funds for over the last

1018
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,300
22 months via the Santa Rosa

1019
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:10,300
City School debacle,

1020
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,300
pre-kindergarten,

1021
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:14,300
transitional kindergarten

1022
00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:16,300
programs, Quail Acres seed

1023
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:17,300
monies, their $100 million

1024
00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:18,300
budget,

1025
00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:19,300
and now their second attempt

1026
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,300
at securing bond monies, which

1027
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,300
are significantly less than

1028
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,300
their failed bond attempt in

1029
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,300
2024, we again think is very

1030
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:31,300
suspicious. As Windsor

1031
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:32,300
Unified School District was

1032
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,300
wheeling and dealing, they

1033
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:35,300
forgot their primary mission

1034
00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:37,300
to educate their students.

1035
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,300
Windsor Unified School

1036
00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:40,300
District has 8th graders

1037
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:41,300
graduating at a lack

1038
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:43,300
of conversational Spanish level

1039
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:45,300
from Cali Cameca. Windsor

1040
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:46,300
High School seniors are not

1041
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:47,300
being tested for their overall

1042
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:49,300
proficiency leaving the school.

1043
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:50,300
Now, someone discovered phonics

1044
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,300
actually works at Mattie

1045
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,403
Washburn, but that was

1046
00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:57,300
after it was resurrected into

1047
00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:58,300
the curriculum this past school

1048
00:32:58,300 --> 00:32:59,300
year. Recently, the school

1049
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,300
board decided to use more

1050
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:02,300
of our tax dollars

1051
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,300
to provide a 4-year contract to

1052
00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:05,300
the superintendent and his

1053
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:07,300
business officer to the tune

1054
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:08,300
of $314,000 a year and

1055
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:09,300
$240,000 a year respectively.

1056
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:12,300
The state of California this

1057
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,300
year alone will cost us $128

1058
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,300
billion statewide

1059
00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:20,300
for the education system. The

1060
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:21,300
governor just wiped out the

1061
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:23,300
state superintendent position

1062
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,300
starting in January 2027, and

1063
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,300
there will be an education

1064
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:29,300
commissioner who will directly

1065
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,300
report

1066
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,300
to the governor and no longer

1067
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,300
to the public. The per student

1068
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:36,300
cost was raised

1069
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:37,300
to an unsettling amount of

1070
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,300
$27,000 a year

1071
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:39,300
with no known reason or level

1072
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:41,300
of success based upon our cost.

1073
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,300
It has been said who you

1074
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:45,300
associate with is an example

1075
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:46,300
of your character. Well,

1076
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:48,300
Windsor Unified School

1077
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:49,300
District and School Board has

1078
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,300
proved that their association

1079
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:52,300
with Gallagher Builders says a

1080
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:53,300
lot about the Windsor Unified

1081
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:55,300
School District and School

1082
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,300
Board character.

1083
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,300
Superintendent Decker has the

1084
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:01,300
power and control to back out

1085
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:02,300
of this whole situation

1086
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:04,300
with one signature. However, he

1087
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:05,300
doesn't possess the fortitude

1088
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,300
to do the right thing nor have

1089
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:07,300
the loyalty

1090
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,300
to this town or its students

1091
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:09,300
of the district,

1092
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:10,300
especially as he commutes out

1093
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:11,300
of town and district

1094
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,300
at the end of his

1095
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:16,300
>> Please wrap up.

1096
00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:17,300
>> Thank you. In summation,

1097
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,300
the decisions of the Windsor

1098
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:19,300
Unified School District and

1099
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:21,300
school board will one way or

1100
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:22,300
another affect our town

1101
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:23,300
forever,

1102
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:24,300
yet the educational level

1103
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:25,300
of success remains

1104
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:26,300
in a stifled state

1105
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,300
of improvement. Thank you very

1106
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:29,300
much.

1107
00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,403
>> Thank you. Anyone else

1108
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,300
from the public? Okay, I'm

1109
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:34,300
going

1110
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:35,300
to close the public comment.

1111
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:36,300
And now moving on to items,

1112
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:37,300
12, which is our consent

1113
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:39,300
calendar items. We have the

1114
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,300
12.1, approval of minutes

1115
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:43,300
from June 17th. 12.2,

1116
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,300
acceptance

1117
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:46,300
of municipal well improvements

1118
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,300
for the Los Amigos shallow ASR

1119
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:50,300
water supply wells installation

1120
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:52,300
and testing project. 12.3,

1121
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,300
Los Amigos monitoring well

1122
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,300
installation and development

1123
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,300
drilling service agreement.

1124
00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:59,300
12.4, adopt

1125
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,300
of an ordinance amendment

1126
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:02,300
Title 5, Chapter 3, skating

1127
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:03,300
park regulations. 12.5, Town

1128
00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:05,300
of Windsor management policy

1129
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,300
for fiscal year '26-'27.

1130
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,403
12.6, the Youth Park and

1131
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,300
Recreational Commissioner

1132
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:14,300
appointment. 12.7, appointment

1133
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,300
to the Sonoma County Library

1134
00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:23,300
Commission. And 12.8, ratify

1135
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:24,300
check register number 645. Do I

1136
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:25,300
have a motion or and, or any

1137
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,300
comments?

1138
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:31,300
>> I make a motion

1139
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,300
to move the consent calendar,

1140
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:33,300
and I do have one comment if I

1141
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,300
can.

1142
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,300
>> I'll make a second.

1143
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,300
>> Okay, great. I just wanted

1144
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:41,300
to make a comment that item

1145
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,300
12.3 comes from capital funds

1146
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,300
and not I mean, I'm sorry,

1147
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:47,300
it comes

1148
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,300
from the water funds,

1149
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,300
which is not a capital fund.

1150
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,300
It is a enterprise I'm sorry,

1151
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,300
enterprise fund. Sorry,

1152
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:57,300
enterprise fund and not the

1153
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:59,300
general fund.

1154
00:36:00,300 --> 00:36:01,300
>> Roll call vote,

1155
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:02,300
please.

1156
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:04,300
>> [CALLING ROLL]

1157
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:15,300
>> Thank you. And now we're

1158
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,300
going to move on

1159
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:18,300
to our public hearing, 13.1,

1160
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:20,300
amendment to the Town of

1161
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:21,300
Windsor Zoning Code, Title 17

1162
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:23,403
of the Municipal Code.

1163
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:45,300
>> Okay, good evening, Mayor

1164
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,300
Reynoza and council members.

1165
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:47,300
I'm Kim Jordan. I'm one

1166
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,300
of the planners in the

1167
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,300
Community Development

1168
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,300
Department. And tonight, we'll

1169
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,300
be discussing zoning code

1170
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,300
amendments for housing element

1171
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:56,300
implementation and compliance

1172
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:57,300
with state housing law. You'll

1173
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,300
be considering Planning

1174
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:00,300
Commission's recommendation

1175
00:37:00,300 --> 00:37:01,300
to the Town Council. So

1176
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:03,403
tonight, we'll be going

1177
00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:07,300
over a little bit of background

1178
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,300
and what the amendments

1179
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:10,300
actually are, how they're

1180
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,300
implementing the housing

1181
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:15,403
element. Some feedback requests

1182
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,300
regarding some optional items

1183
00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:23,300
relating to ADU,

1184
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:25,300
separate conveyance and

1185
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:26,300
definitions,

1186
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:27,300
the environmental review

1187
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,300
required, findings

1188
00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:30,300
for approval, and tonight's

1189
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:33,300
recommended action. So a little

1190
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,300
bit of background. In August

1191
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,403
of 2023, the Town Council

1192
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:40,300
adopted the town's General

1193
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:41,300
Plan Housing Element. That was

1194
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,300
after approximately 2 years of

1195
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:46,300
a public process that involved

1196
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:47,300
multiple public meetings

1197
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:49,403
with the Planning Commission

1198
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:51,300
and Town Council and multiple

1199
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,300
opportunities

1200
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:54,300
for community engagement.

1201
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:56,300
After Town Council's adoption

1202
00:37:56,300 --> 00:37:57,300
of the housing element,

1203
00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:00,300
it was certified in August of

1204
00:38:00,300 --> 00:38:02,300
2023 by the Department of

1205
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:03,300
Housing and Community

1206
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,403
Development. In November of

1207
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:08,403
2024, the Town Council adopted

1208
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:12,300
an updated zoning code that was

1209
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:13,300
a housing-focused zoning code

1210
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:15,300
that was funded by the state.

1211
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:16,300
And then, as we know,

1212
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,300
there are always ongoing

1213
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:19,300
changes

1214
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:23,300
to state law that the town has

1215
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,300
to deal with, and that all

1216
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:25,300
those often involve needing

1217
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,300
to amend our zoning code. In

1218
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:30,300
June 23rd of this year,

1219
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:34,300
Planning Commission held a

1220
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:35,300
public hearing and adopted a

1221
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:37,300
resolution recommending that

1222
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,300
Town Council adopt The

1223
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:39,300
amendments to the zoning code

1224
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:41,300
that we'll be discussing this

1225
00:38:41,300 --> 00:38:42,300
evening in order to implement

1226
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,300
the programs that are included

1227
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:45,300
in our housing element and

1228
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,300
to implement state housing law.

1229
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,300
So, the zoning code text

1230
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:50,300
amendments we'll talk

1231
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,300
about tonight, they fall

1232
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:55,300
into a couple of categories.

1233
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:02,300
The main category is to

1234
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:03,300
implement housing element

1235
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,300
programs. The town's housing

1236
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,300
element includes about 41

1237
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:07,300
different programs that the

1238
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:10,603
town agreed to implement on a

1239
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:13,300
certain schedule when the town

1240
00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:14,300
adopted its housing element.

1241
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:15,300
So those have already been

1242
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:16,300
reviewed by the town throughout

1243
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:17,300
its public,

1244
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:19,403
the public review process

1245
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:23,300
for the housing element,

1246
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:24,300
and they're included in our

1247
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:25,300
certified housing element. The

1248
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,300
4 specific programs that we're

1249
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:28,300
trying to implement as part

1250
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,300
of these amendments are H-2,

1251
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,300
which is use of sites from

1252
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:32,300
previous housing element

1253
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:33,300
cycles. H7,

1254
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,300
which has a variety

1255
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,300
of programs related

1256
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:38,300
to accessory dwelling units.

1257
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:40,300
One of them is that the town

1258
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:41,300
continues

1259
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:43,300
to update its zoning code

1260
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,300
to be consistent

1261
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,300
with state law. H26 is

1262
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:48,300
to update our zoning code

1263
00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:50,300
to be compliant for

1264
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:51,300
transitional and supportive

1265
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:53,300
housing requirements,

1266
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:55,300
and H27 related

1267
00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:59,300
to residential care facilities.

1268
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,300
And then we're also back

1269
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:04,300
to talk to Town Council as to

1270
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:05,300
whether or not they're

1271
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:06,300
interested in allowing ADUs to

1272
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:08,403
be sold separately as

1273
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,403
condominiums. Each time we

1274
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,300
bring the ADU ordinance back

1275
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:15,300
to Town Council

1276
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:16,300
for consideration,

1277
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:18,300
we ask if the Town Council

1278
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:20,300
would like to allow ADUs to be

1279
00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:21,300
sold separately as

1280
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:23,300
condominiums. So, we'll be

1281
00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:24,300
talking

1282
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:25,300
about that again this evening.

1283
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:26,300
And then there's a variety of

1284
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,300
technical corrections and

1285
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:29,300
clarifications we'd like

1286
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,300
to make

1287
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:32,300
to the zoning code as part

1288
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:33,300
of our large update that we did

1289
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:36,603
in 2024. So, to talk about the

1290
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:40,403
housing element programs, H-2,

1291
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,300
use of sites from previous

1292
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:45,300
housing element cycles, there's

1293
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:46,300
language that we're proposing

1294
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:47,300
to add to Article 2 residential

1295
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:49,403
and Article 3 related to

1296
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:56,300
commercial sites. rights that

1297
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:57,300
says that when a project site

1298
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:58,300
that was included

1299
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:00,300
in our previous RENA cycles,

1300
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:02,300
the 4th and 5th cycles,

1301
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:04,300
includes a certain amount

1302
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:06,300
of affordable housing,

1303
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,300
that development is allowed

1304
00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:10,300
by right. And those sites are

1305
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,300
shown here. They're located

1306
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:13,300
on Shiloh Road

1307
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:14,300
on the north side

1308
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,300
between basically Business

1309
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:17,300
Park Court and Old Redwood

1310
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,300
Highway. So, there would be

1311
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,300
specific language,

1312
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,300
which is included in the packet

1313
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:25,300
that allows those projects,

1314
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,300
if they're proposed,

1315
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,300
to be developed by right.

1316
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,300
That's not a significant change

1317
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,300
to what's allowed now. Right

1318
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:33,300
now, residential is allowed as

1319
00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:35,300
a permitted use

1320
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:36,300
in those zoning districts,

1321
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,300
and then residential in a

1322
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:39,300
mixed-use project is also

1323
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:41,300
allowed by right. And then

1324
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:42,300
there's site plan and design

1325
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,300
review required

1326
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,300
for those projects. So, it's

1327
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,300
not a substantial change

1328
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,300
to include that language

1329
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:53,300
in the zoning code in order to

1330
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,300
implement that housing element

1331
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,403
program. The next housing

1332
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,300
element program is H7, is to

1333
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:04,300
promote accessory dwelling

1334
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:05,300
units. So, we're making minor

1335
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,300
updates to our ADU and junior

1336
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,300
accessory dwelling unit

1337
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:10,300
sections

1338
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:12,300
of our zoning ordinance

1339
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:14,300
to implement changes

1340
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,300
in state law. They're mostly

1341
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,300
minor language changes related

1342
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,300
to how we define square footage

1343
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:21,300
that's counted and building

1344
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:22,300
height changes that have

1345
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,300
occurred. We also needed

1346
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,300
to add a section that deals

1347
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:26,300
with what is the appeals

1348
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:29,603
process if an ADU is denied.

1349
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,300
However, the towns never denied

1350
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:40,603
a permit for an ADU, so.

1351
00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:44,300
It seems moot, but HCD does

1352
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,300
want to see that

1353
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:48,300
in our zoning code. And the

1354
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,300
process is that should an ADU

1355
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:51,300
permit be denied, it is a

1356
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:53,300
one-stop appeal process that

1357
00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:55,300
goes to the community

1358
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:56,300
development director

1359
00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:59,300
at a public hearing. H-26,

1360
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:04,300
we're required to add

1361
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:05,300
transitional and supportive

1362
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:06,300
housing to our zoning Code and

1363
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:08,300
treat it the same way that we

1364
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:10,300
treat other housing

1365
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:11,300
developments, single-family and

1366
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:14,300
multifamily housing. So, if a,

1367
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,300
if a supportive housing or

1368
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,300
transitional housing project

1369
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,300
was submitted to the town,

1370
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:23,300
we need

1371
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,300
to treat them the same way with

1372
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,403
the same permit requirement,

1373
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:28,300
that we would treat

1374
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:30,300
single-family or multifamily

1375
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,300
housing.

1376
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:36,300
So, if transitional housing

1377
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,300
was supported and it's proposed

1378
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:40,300
in a single-family home, and

1379
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:42,300
that single-family home would

1380
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:43,300
be allowed by right, we have to

1381
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,300
allow that transitional or

1382
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:46,300
supportive housing

1383
00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:47,300
to be allowed by right. So,

1384
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,300
in order to do that,

1385
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:50,300
we are just indicating

1386
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,300
in the use table that it has

1387
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:53,300
to be consistent

1388
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,300
with the government code. And

1389
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:56,300
then we would look at,

1390
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:57,300
we would refer to,

1391
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,300
is it a multifamily project?

1392
00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:01,300
If it is,

1393
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:02,300
what is the permit requirement?

1394
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:03,300
And that's how we would process

1395
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:05,403
that application. And then

1396
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,300
you're just seeing this,

1397
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:11,300
we're listing

1398
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:12,300
for supportive housing

1399
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,300
since multifamily projects are

1400
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:16,603
in let me stop here. So,

1401
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:20,300
in a commercial district,

1402
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:21,300
supportive housing would come

1403
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:24,300
in the form of multifamily,

1404
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:25,300
and since multifamily housing

1405
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:27,300
Is a permitted use. Supportive

1406
00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:28,300
housing has to be identified as

1407
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:29,300
a permitted use

1408
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,300
in a commercial district. So

1409
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:35,300
that's what you're seeing

1410
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:38,300
in this table. Residential care

1411
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:41,300
facilities, where we needed

1412
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:42,300
to amend, we needed

1413
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:43,300
to add a definition of family

1414
00:44:43,300 --> 00:44:45,300
to our zoning code. So, we've

1415
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:48,603
done that. And the same thing,

1416
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:50,300
we need to treat residential

1417
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:51,300
care facilities the Same way

1418
00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:52,300
that we treat multifamily

1419
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,300
projects. So, for a large

1420
00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:57,300
residential care facility,

1421
00:44:57,300 --> 00:44:59,300
they're required to get a minor

1422
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:01,300
use permit because that's the

1423
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:02,300
same permit requirement that,

1424
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:03,300
that we have for multifamily.

1425
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,300
Small residential care

1426
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:06,300
facilities are treated the same

1427
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:08,300
way as single-family,

1428
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:11,300
single-family projects,

1429
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:12,300
so they're required

1430
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:13,300
to just be permitted

1431
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:15,300
by right. So that's what you're

1432
00:45:15,300 --> 00:45:18,300
seeing in this use table.

1433
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:20,300
Planning Commission

1434
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:22,300
recommendations. Planning

1435
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:24,300
Commission recommended that

1436
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:25,300
Town Council adopt the

1437
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,300
amendments that we just

1438
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:29,300
reviewed. There were a couple

1439
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:30,300
of feedback requests that we

1440
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:32,300
had from the Commission, and

1441
00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:35,300
these are the feedback these

1442
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:36,300
are the recommendations from

1443
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:37,300
Planning Commission that we're

1444
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:39,300
going to talk about now. So,

1445
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:40,300
in our updated zoning code,

1446
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:41,300
it was amended

1447
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,300
to allow a developer to receive

1448
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:44,300
a density bonus or an incentive

1449
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,300
when a project included a

1450
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:48,300
community healthcare facility.

1451
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,300
But the definition of a

1452
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,300
community healthcare facility

1453
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,300
wasn't included

1454
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:55,300
in the zoning code. So, when we

1455
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:57,403
asked Planning Commission if

1456
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:00,300
they could provide a definition

1457
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,300
of a community healthcare

1458
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:04,300
facility. So, this is the

1459
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,300
definition of community

1460
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:07,300
healthcare facility that

1461
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:09,300
Planning Commission recommended

1462
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:11,300
be in the zoning code. So, this

1463
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:12,300
is what we're asking as a

1464
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:14,300
feedback request from Council

1465
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:15,300
if they agree

1466
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:17,300
with this definition. So, a

1467
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:18,300
federally qualified healthcare

1468
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,300
facility is a community-based

1469
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:21,300
clinic that receives federal

1470
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,300
funding to provide

1471
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,300
comprehensive primary care

1472
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:29,300
in medically underserved areas,

1473
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,300
and they treat all patients

1474
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:33,300
regardless

1475
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:34,300
of insurance status or ability

1476
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,300
to pay. And they offer a

1477
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:38,300
sliding scale based

1478
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:40,300
on income,

1479
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:41,300
and they include primary

1480
00:46:41,300 --> 00:46:43,300
medical care,

1481
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:44,300
preventive health and dental,

1482
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:46,300
mental health, substance abuse

1483
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:47,300
treatment,

1484
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:48,300
and visiting nursing services

1485
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:50,300
for the homebound. So, they

1486
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:52,300
could include any

1487
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,300
of those services. So that is

1488
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:57,300
the definition Planning

1489
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,300
Commission recommended,

1490
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:00,300
and we're asking Town Council

1491
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:02,300
to consider this evening.

1492
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:03,300
Windsor has one federally

1493
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:04,300
qualified healthcare center,

1494
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:05,300
and that is Alliance Medical

1495
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:07,300
Center on Old Redwood

1496
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:08,300
Highway. And then the second

1497
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:09,300
feedback request we have and

1498
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,300
recommendation from Planning

1499
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:12,300
Commission is whether or not

1500
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:14,300
ADUs should be allowed

1501
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:15,300
to be sold separately from the

1502
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:16,300
main house as a condominium.

1503
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:18,300
So, Government Code Section

1504
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,300
66342 does allow ADUs to be

1505
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:23,300
sold separately as

1506
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,300
condominiums. Historically,

1507
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:28,300
Town Council and Planning

1508
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,300
Commission have asked that we

1509
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:31,300
not move forward with that and

1510
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,300
asked that we wait and see what

1511
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:35,300
other communities do.

1512
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:37,403
Sebastopol recently adopted a

1513
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,300
separate conveyance ordinance

1514
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:42,300
for ADUs, and Santa Rosa is

1515
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:43,300
considering one. So, we thought

1516
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,300
it was time to bring this

1517
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,300
forward and draft some language

1518
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:49,300
and see if Town Council wanted

1519
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:50,300
to consider it. This is what we

1520
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:52,403
call an opt-in requirement,

1521
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:55,300
meaning that the town has

1522
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,300
to adopt an ordinance

1523
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:57,300
to allow ADDUs

1524
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:58,300
to be sold as condominiums.

1525
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,603
So, if the town council doesn't

1526
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:04,300
want to do that at this time,

1527
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:06,300
you would simply make a motion

1528
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,300
to not include that particular

1529
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,300
provision that we're talking

1530
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:11,300
about tonight. Let's see. And

1531
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,300
then the advantage to it,

1532
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:17,300
the sale of ADUs as a

1533
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:19,300
condominium provides a

1534
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:21,300
mechanism that allows a lot

1535
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:22,300
of the concerns that Planning

1536
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:24,300
Commission and Council have

1537
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:25,300
expressed previously

1538
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,300
to be addressed, such as how is

1539
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,300
maintenance and access and open

1540
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:30,300
space and parking addressed?

1541
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,300
How do we address some

1542
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:36,603
of those issues? So, the draft

1543
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:38,300
condominium ordinance requires

1544
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:39,300
creation of a home or property

1545
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:42,300
owners association or a similar

1546
00:48:42,300 --> 00:48:44,300
entity, and in order

1547
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:47,300
to qualify for an ADU

1548
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,300
Condominium. The way the

1549
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,603
ordinance is drafted, it has to

1550
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,300
be a legal parcel that was

1551
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,300
created 5 years prior

1552
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:57,300
to application for the ADU.

1553
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:00,603
The parcel has to include an

1554
00:49:01,300 --> 00:49:03,300
existing single-unit dwelling

1555
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:05,300
and detached ADU. The ADU

1556
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,403
that's being converted has

1557
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:10,300
to be physically detached

1558
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:11,300
from the dwelling, and it's not

1559
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:13,300
sharing a wall or roof

1560
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:14,300
with the primary dwelling. And

1561
00:49:14,300 --> 00:49:15,300
only one detached ADU

1562
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,300
on the site can be converted.

1563
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:18,300
And then the ADU condominium is

1564
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:19,300
required to include separate

1565
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:21,300
utility connections

1566
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:25,300
to the public main

1567
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:26,300
for water and sewer for both

1568
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:27,300
the ADU and the single-family

1569
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:29,300
home. They have

1570
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,300
to pay utility connection fees,

1571
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:37,300
and if there's no direct access

1572
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:38,300
to a public or private street,

1573
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:40,300
they have

1574
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,300
to include an access easement.

1575
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:47,300
And then also included

1576
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:48,300
limitations post-approval.

1577
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:51,300
So, if somebody did go through

1578
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:53,300
the ADU condominium conversion

1579
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:55,300
process, after that process was

1580
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:57,300
completed,

1581
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,300
no new ADUs could be

1582
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:00,300
constructed on the new parcels

1583
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:01,300
that were created

1584
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:02,300
through that process. And then

1585
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,300
the lots that created cannot be

1586
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:06,300
further subdivided

1587
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,300
by this section. And then we

1588
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,300
included a sunset date of

1589
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:15,403
December 31st, 2029, unless the

1590
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:18,300
Town Council chose

1591
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:19,300
to extend it. We really don't

1592
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,300
know what the interest is. And

1593
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:23,300
as you know,

1594
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:25,300
we haven't done this before.

1595
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:26,300
So, we really, you know,

1596
00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:27,300
we kind of wanted

1597
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:28,300
to put our foot

1598
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:30,300
in the water if Council was

1599
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:31,300
interested and see how the

1600
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:34,300
ordinance worked and what the

1601
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:37,300
interest was. And then there

1602
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:39,300
are a variety of technical

1603
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:40,300
corrections and cleanups that

1604
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:42,300
we need to do. There are some

1605
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:43,300
pricing requirements. We wanted

1606
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:45,300
to amend the inclusionary

1607
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:47,300
housing section

1608
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:48,300
to remove the requirement

1609
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:49,300
to default just to HCD's

1610
00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:51,300
affordability requirements

1611
00:50:51,300 --> 00:50:53,300
because sometimes the financing

1612
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:55,300
for affordable projects has

1613
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,300
different affordability levels

1614
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:57,300
that it needs to meet. And so

1615
00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:59,300
subject to director approval,

1616
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:01,300
they could use those other

1617
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:03,300
affordability requirements. We

1618
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:04,300
did a minor amendment

1619
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:06,300
to change a title of a section

1620
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:07,300
to better reflect its contents.

1621
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:09,403
We added construction trailer

1622
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:12,300
to temporary use permit because

1623
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:14,300
that's one

1624
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:16,300
of the main uses that happens

1625
00:51:16,300 --> 00:51:17,300
under that. We made some minor

1626
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:19,300
clarifications to tree

1627
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:24,300
preservation and protection.

1628
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,300
Driveways and side access and

1629
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,300
general the general

1630
00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:31,300
non-residential minimum parking

1631
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:34,300
stall size, and then notice

1632
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:36,300
of application cleanup. And

1633
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,300
then we do have one minor

1634
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:41,300
cleanup related to Exhibit L,

1635
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:43,300
and you're seeing it here

1636
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:44,300
on the screen. It's also

1637
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,300
at places. We needed to add it

1638
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:47,300
should have said general

1639
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,300
multifamily and non-residential

1640
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,403
minimum parking stall instead

1641
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:57,300
of just non-residential

1642
00:51:57,300 --> 00:52:00,300
uncovered. So that is the

1643
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:02,300
change that we're asking for,

1644
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:03,300
for as a clarification. So, if

1645
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,300
council does decide

1646
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:06,300
to introduce the ordinance,

1647
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:08,300
we'd ask them

1648
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:10,300
to please include amended

1649
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,403
Exhibit L. And then

1650
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:17,300
for the environmental review,

1651
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:18,300
this These actions are exempt

1652
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,300
from CEQA. Public Resources

1653
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:22,403
Code Section 21080.17 has a

1654
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:25,300
specific exemption

1655
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:31,300
for ordinances for accessory

1656
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:32,300
dwelling units and junior

1657
00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,300
accessory dwelling units. And

1658
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:35,300
then Public Resources Code

1659
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:37,300
Sections 21080.085 has specific

1660
00:52:37,300 --> 00:52:39,300
exemptions

1661
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:42,300
for any actions that are needed

1662
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:43,300
to implement a housing element.

1663
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,300
And then we also are using the

1664
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:46,300
common-sense rule that says

1665
00:52:46,300 --> 00:52:47,300
that there is no indication

1666
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:49,300
that these actions have the

1667
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,300
potential

1668
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,403
for harming the environment.

1669
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:59,300
And then in order to approve

1670
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:01,300
these text amendments,

1671
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:02,300
there are 3 findings that have

1672
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:04,300
to be made. One is that's

1673
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:05,300
consistent with the general

1674
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:07,300
plan and any specific plan or

1675
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:08,300
master plan, that they would

1676
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:09,300
not be detrimental

1677
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:11,300
to the public interest, health,

1678
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:13,300
safety, convenience, or

1679
00:53:13,300 --> 00:53:14,300
welfare, and that the proposed

1680
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:16,300
amendment is internally

1681
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:17,300
consistent with other parts

1682
00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:19,300
of the zoning code. The

1683
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:20,300
findings are basically the

1684
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:22,300
same. In order to implement our

1685
00:53:22,300 --> 00:53:23,300
general plan and housing

1686
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:24,300
element, we do need

1687
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:26,300
to make these, and they are

1688
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,300
consistent and already are

1689
00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,300
included as programs the town

1690
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,300
is required

1691
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:36,300
to implement as part of our

1692
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:37,300
certified housing element. And

1693
00:53:37,300 --> 00:53:39,300
they're also needed to comply

1694
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,300
with state housing law. And

1695
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:42,300
then they're just minor

1696
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:44,300
technical clarifications and

1697
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,300
cleanups. So tonight,

1698
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:49,300
we're asking you

1699
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:50,300
to hold the public hearing,

1700
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:51,300
accept public comment,

1701
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:53,300
and introduce an ordinance

1702
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:54,300
by title only, and then also

1703
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:57,300
accept the amended Exhibit L.

1704
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:01,300
And that's the ordinance title

1705
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,603
for, for ease. And then I'm

1706
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:07,300
available for questions. Thank

1707
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:09,300
you.

1708
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,300
>> Okay, thank you very much.

1709
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,300
Vice Mayor, Council, do you

1710
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:19,300
guys have any questions? Who

1711
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:20,300
would like

1712
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:21,300
to start? I have a question,

1713
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:23,300
but I'll let you go.

1714
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:26,300
>> I did have some questions

1715
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:31,300
about the mental and medical

1716
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:33,300
units on a project allowing a

1717
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:34,300
density bonus. Is there any

1718
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,603
limitation to the size of the

1719
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:43,403
parcel that might encompass?

1720
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:46,300
So, in other words,

1721
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:49,300
we have a 15-acre subdivision

1722
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:52,300
with a medical building. How

1723
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:56,300
could that happen,

1724
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:57,300
and what kind of densities

1725
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,300
could we be looking at?

1726
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:03,300
>> So, there isn't. So, what

1727
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:04,300
the provision says is that when

1728
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:06,300
an applicant proposes a housing

1729
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:08,300
project,

1730
00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:10,300
if they include a community

1731
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:11,300
care facility, they can receive

1732
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:12,300
a density bonus or an

1733
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:14,300
incentive. The intention of

1734
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:17,300
that is that the town doesn't

1735
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,300
have a lot

1736
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:21,300
of medical facilities or care,

1737
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:22,300
and it was a way

1738
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:24,300
to bring medical care closer

1739
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:27,300
to that population. That might

1740
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:29,300
need it. That was the intention

1741
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:31,300
when it was adopted.

1742
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:34,300
>> Okay. And there would be

1743
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:38,300
in the ordinance,

1744
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:40,300
if that facility is vacated,

1745
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:42,300
right, we're left with, with,

1746
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,403
with the increased density.

1747
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:47,300
And that's what's been a

1748
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:48,300
concern. Well, that'll be a

1749
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,300
comment rather than a question.

1750
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:55,300
>> I just want

1751
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:56,300
to add that I had a similar,

1752
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:58,300
very similar question because

1753
00:55:58,300 --> 00:55:59,300
we've seen buildings go up. So

1754
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:00,300
my question is, so they,

1755
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:03,300
they bring you this permit,

1756
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:06,300
they said yes, we'll have a

1757
00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:08,300
healthcare facility. What do

1758
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:10,300
you have

1759
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:14,300
in place so that it you know

1760
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:15,300
for sure it is going to go

1761
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,300
in when they open?

1762
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,300
>> So, I would say Planning

1763
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,300
Commission had similar concerns

1764
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:23,300
and questions and it's

1765
00:56:23,300 --> 00:56:24,300
discretionary on the part of

1766
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:25,300
Planning Commission or Council

1767
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:27,300
to grant the density bonus. So

1768
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,300
those are all, I think,

1769
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:31,300
questions that you would have

1770
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,300
to vet if an application came

1771
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:35,300
forward and somebody was asking

1772
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,300
for the density bonus because

1773
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:39,403
they were including or

1774
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:42,300
proposing a community

1775
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,403
healthcare facility. And then

1776
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:46,300
the town would need

1777
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:48,300
to include that in their

1778
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,300
affordable housing regulatory

1779
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:52,300
agreement.

1780
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:53,300
>> How that how enforceable

1781
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:54,300
that is and what that looks

1782
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,300
like, it looks

1783
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:57,300
like I don't know. But the town

1784
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:58,300
council has the discretion

1785
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:00,300
to approve that or not. It's,

1786
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:02,300
it's not granted because it's

1787
00:57:02,300 --> 00:57:03,300
requested. It's over and

1788
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:05,300
above state law.

1789
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:09,300
>> Okay. Did anyone else have a

1790
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:11,300
question related to that? No.

1791
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,300
Do you have any other questions

1792
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:14,300
before I move? No. Okay. Vice

1793
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:16,300
Mayor?

1794
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:17,300
>> Yes, thank you for the

1795
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:19,300
presentation. I have some

1796
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:20,300
questions about the ADUs and

1797
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,603
how so if a family were

1798
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:27,603
to want to sell their ADU,

1799
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:29,300
they then have to create their

1800
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,300
own homeowner's association?

1801
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:37,300
>> That is correct.

1802
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:39,300
>> And then so what would that

1803
00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:41,300
look like? Because generally a

1804
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:42,300
homeowner's association has a

1805
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:44,300
board and a whole process. And

1806
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:45,300
so if it's just me and I'm

1807
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:46,300
selling my ADU, then I have

1808
00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:49,300
to create a board for it?

1809
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:52,300
>> The members, it's so my

1810
00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,300
understanding would be the 2

1811
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:55,300
members would be the owner of

1812
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:58,300
the single-family home and the

1813
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:00,300
owner of the ADU. That's the

1814
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:01,300
extent of it. Just like any

1815
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:03,300
other condominium association,

1816
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:04,300
it's the members of that

1817
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:06,300
condominium association. And

1818
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,403
those are the 2 members

1819
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:10,300
of the condominium association,

1820
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:11,300
the owners

1821
00:58:11,300 --> 00:58:14,300
of the ADU and the owner of the

1822
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:16,300
single-family residence.

1823
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:19,300
>> Okay, and then because it's

1824
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:21,300
a condominium,

1825
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,300
the original owner owns all

1826
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:26,300
of the land of the parcel

1827
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:28,300
but not the building. Then

1828
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:29,300
they're able

1829
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:31,300
to sell the building

1830
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:33,300
to the new owner, right?

1831
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,300
>> That is how state law set up

1832
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:37,403
ADU separate conveyance that

1833
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:40,300
can only be sold Separately as

1834
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,403
an ADU. I mean,

1835
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:45,300
as a condominium.

1836
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:47,300
>> As a condominium. And then

1837
00:58:47,300 --> 00:58:49,300
so for parking

1838
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:50,300
for these ADUs,

1839
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:52,300
and so if I have an ADU

1840
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:53,300
on my property,

1841
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:55,300
am I required then

1842
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:56,300
to provide parking

1843
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:58,300
for that ADU? So do I then,

1844
00:58:58,300 --> 00:58:59,300
you said there was an easement,

1845
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:00,300
so then I have

1846
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:01,300
to give an easement like

1847
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:02,300
in my driveway for that person

1848
00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:03,300
to have a parking spot

1849
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:04,300
for the ADU?

1850
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,300
>> That's possible.

1851
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,300
>> I mean, I think that that's

1852
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:09,300
we haven't seen the

1853
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:11,300
applications yet, so I think

1854
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:12,300
the person that's selling the

1855
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:13,300
ADU would have to decide how

1856
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,300
they're selling the ADU and

1857
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:15,300
possibly a parking space

1858
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:16,300
in front of it. Okay. I mean,

1859
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:18,300
I think they would have

1860
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:19,300
to decide what is marketable

1861
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:22,300
for sale for the ADU.

1862
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:29,300
but this isn't so it doesn't

1863
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:30,300
really necessarily address

1864
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:31,300
like street parking, right? I

1865
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:32,300
mean, I don't

1866
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:33,300
I'm just

1867
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:34,300
trying to see, like,

1868
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:35,300
would I be able

1869
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:36,300
to sell my ADU and say, no,

1870
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:37,300
all you get is street parking

1871
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:38,300
with this ADU,

1872
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:39,300
or do I actually have

1873
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:40,300
to provide parking

1874
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:41,300
from my lot or

1875
00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:42,300
for that lot?

1876
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:43,300
>> Right now, state housing

1877
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:44,300
law, for the most part,

1878
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:45,300
for ADUs doesn't require,

1879
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:46,300
in a lot of cases,

1880
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:49,300
onsite parking anyway. If an

1881
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:50,300
ADU is

1882
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:52,300
within a certain distance

1883
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:53,300
of a bus stop, there's no

1884
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:55,300
onsite parking required anyway.

1885
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:56,300
So it could be that the ADU

1886
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:58,300
doesn't need it.

1887
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:02,300
>> All right, I think that's

1888
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:03,300
all of my questions. Thank you.

1889
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:04,300
>> Councilmember Leep, any

1890
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:05,300
questions?

1891
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:06,300
>> Yes. Do you have any idea

1892
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,300
how many I guess this applies

1893
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:11,300
mostly to existing ADUs. Do you

1894
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:12,300
have any idea how many

1895
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,300
of these units might be sold

1896
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:17,300
in this situation?

1897
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:23,300
>> We went back and we did a

1898
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,300
building permit history search

1899
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:27,300
for detached ADUs. We think

1900
01:00:27,300 --> 01:00:29,300
there might we went back to

1901
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:31,300
about 2014, and we think there

1902
01:00:31,300 --> 01:00:33,300
might be about 40 detached ADUs

1903
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:35,300
that could be eligible. We

1904
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,300
didn't and it was just a quick

1905
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,300
cursory search. We haven't done

1906
01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:41,300
an in-depth search, and that's

1907
01:00:41,300 --> 01:00:43,403
what came up initially.

1908
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:52,300
>> And so, these units would

1909
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:53,300
End up requiring the legal

1910
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:54,300
costs of providing

1911
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:56,300
documentation and

1912
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:58,300
organizational documents

1913
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:00,300
for associations and

1914
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:03,603
for easements and all that sort

1915
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:06,300
of thing?

1916
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:08,300
>> It would. I mean,

1917
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:09,300
alternatively,

1918
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:12,300
the town can just allow it

1919
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:14,300
to remain as they are now. It

1920
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:16,403
was just an opportunity

1921
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:19,300
to provide them for sale.

1922
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:21,300
But based

1923
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:22,300
on past concerns raised by

1924
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:23,300
Planning Commission and Town

1925
01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:25,300
Council about how do we address

1926
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:27,300
these issues

1927
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:28,300
around parking and open space

1928
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:29,300
on the property and who's

1929
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:30,300
entitled to use what, town

1930
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,403
staff drafted this ordinance

1931
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:36,403
based on Sebastopol's ordinance

1932
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,300
because we thought this might

1933
01:01:43,300 --> 01:01:46,300
address some of those concerns.

1934
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:49,300
>> I'm just trying

1935
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:50,300
to understand the situation.

1936
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:52,300
So, I have an ADU, I want

1937
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:53,300
to sell it to my kids,

1938
01:01:53,300 --> 01:01:55,300
and so there has to be a

1939
01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:57,300
homeowner's association.

1940
01:01:58,300 --> 01:02:00,300
Homeowners' association

1941
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:03,300
requires some documentation,

1942
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:05,300
rules, CC&Rs,

1943
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:09,300
expensive. I'm just trying

1944
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:10,300
to make sure I understand it,

1945
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:11,300
that that is all required.

1946
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:13,403
Easements require legal work,

1947
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,300
documentation, cost, all

1948
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:18,300
of that.

1949
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:23,300
>> That is true. That is the

1950
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:25,300
proposal.

1951
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,300
>> It's an interesting

1952
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:29,300
experiment.

1953
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:31,300
>> Alternatively, I mean,

1954
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:33,403
that is a way

1955
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:35,300
to provide homeownership

1956
01:02:35,300 --> 01:02:37,300
to another person, family,

1957
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:39,300
or just income to a property

1958
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:40,300
owner that could maybe use that

1959
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,300
income

1960
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:43,300
in a circumstance where it may

1961
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:45,300
not be possible to subdivide

1962
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:46,300
the property any other way

1963
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:47,300
because the property is not

1964
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:49,300
large enough.

1965
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:52,300
>> It sounds to me like it does

1966
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:54,300
definitely offer opportunities

1967
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:56,300
for small home ownership

1968
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:57,300
to a lot of people,

1969
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,300
wouldn't you agree?

1970
01:03:05,300 --> 01:03:07,300
>> That is the theory and the

1971
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,300
intent behind it, yes.

1972
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,300
>> Thank you.

1973
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:16,300
>> I have a question regarding

1974
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:17,300
transitional supporting

1975
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,300
housing. Can you give an

1976
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:22,603
example of what that would be?

1977
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:25,300
>> I'm going to read the

1978
01:03:25,300 --> 01:03:27,403
definition because I don't

1979
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,300
like to misspeak about it. So

1980
01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:31,300
supportive housing is permanent

1981
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:32,300
housing that doesn't have any

1982
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,300
limit on the length of stay.

1983
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:36,300
And it's, there's typically a

1984
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:38,300
target population. They could

1985
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:39,300
be people that had experienced

1986
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:41,300
homelessness or that they have

1987
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:42,300
disabilities or they're seniors

1988
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:44,300
or veterans. And then it

1989
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:46,403
connects people with the

1990
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:49,300
services that they need that

1991
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:51,300
can be on or offsite so that

1992
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:52,300
they can be successful.

1993
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:54,403
In that living situation.

1994
01:03:57,300 --> 01:03:59,300
>> So, going back to where you

1995
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:01,403
identify where you're updating

1996
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:04,300
the zoning, right,

1997
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:05,300
where they can be, is there any

1998
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:07,300
restrictions or does it depend,

1999
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:09,403
like, can they be

2000
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:13,300
near a school? Can it be

2001
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,300
near a daycare? What kind of,

2002
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:16,300
is there any restrictions

2003
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:19,300
to this type of housing?

2004
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:20,300
>> What the state has what the

2005
01:04:20,300 --> 01:04:22,300
state requires is they have

2006
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:23,300
to be treated

2007
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:24,300
like any other residential use.

2008
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:26,300
So if somebody submits an

2009
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,300
application and they wanna have

2010
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:29,300
a supportive housing project

2011
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:31,300
in a single-family home,

2012
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:32,300
then the town has to treat it

2013
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:34,300
like any other single-family

2014
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:35,300
home. And so

2015
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:37,300
since single-family homes in

2016
01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:39,300
Windsor are permitted

2017
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:42,300
by right,

2018
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:43,300
it would be permitted

2019
01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:45,300
by right. If an applicant

2020
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:46,300
submitted an application for

2021
01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:47,300
supportive housing and it was

2022
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:49,403
in a multifamily project,

2023
01:04:50,300 --> 01:04:52,300
that type of housing,

2024
01:04:52,300 --> 01:04:54,300
and that type of housing

2025
01:04:54,300 --> 01:04:56,300
required a minor use permit,

2026
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:57,300
then they would need to get a

2027
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:58,300
minor use permit because that's

2028
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,403
how the town permits

2029
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:04,300
multifamily housing. So,

2030
01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:06,300
these the requirement simply is

2031
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:08,300
saying that the town is going

2032
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:09,300
to treat it the same way that

2033
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:11,300
we treat single-family or

2034
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:13,300
multifamily housing of this,

2035
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,300
the same type.

2036
01:05:15,300 --> 01:05:16,300
>> Okay. Do you wanna

2037
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:19,603
>> Is that a change in terms

2038
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:22,300
of it seemed

2039
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:24,300
to me supportive housing

2040
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:25,300
in the past and

2041
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:26,300
in other jurisdictions,

2042
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:28,300
it was limited to a number

2043
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:30,300
of residents. Is that something

2044
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:31,300
separate or is that eliminated

2045
01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:33,300
now?

2046
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:40,300
>> Sorry, residential care

2047
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:42,300
facilities have different

2048
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:44,300
sizes. They can be up to 7 and

2049
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:46,300
bigger.

2050
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:49,300
>> It was permitted if it was

2051
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:51,300
up to 6 residents in a do you

2052
01:05:51,300 --> 01:05:53,300
think that's still the same?

2053
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:55,300
>> You are correct,

2054
01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:57,300
Councilmember, that there was a

2055
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:59,300
limit in order to be permitted

2056
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:00,300
by right. I don't have that

2057
01:06:00,300 --> 01:06:02,300
section in front of me, but we

2058
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:03,300
could definitely take a look

2059
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:04,300
at it.

2060
01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:05,300
But there was there used

2061
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:06,300
to be the up to, is kind

2062
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:08,403
of what you're recalling.

2063
01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:11,300
>> So, we do have the different

2064
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:12,300
sizes for residential care

2065
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:14,300
facilities,

2066
01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:15,300
but I that's not what I have

2067
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:17,300
in our housing element for

2068
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:19,300
supportive or transitional

2069
01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:22,300
housing.

2070
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:24,300
>> Thanks.

2071
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:25,300
>> Vice Mayor?

2072
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:26,300
>> Yeah, I have one more

2073
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,300
question about that. So, can

2074
01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:29,300
you back up to the slide that

2075
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:31,300
has the minor use permit

2076
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,300
on it? So, so large residential

2077
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:34,403
house, large residential care

2078
01:06:35,300 --> 01:06:37,300
facility has

2079
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:38,300
to have a minor use permit.

2080
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:39,300
You're saying that's also true

2081
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:41,300
for supportive housing,

2082
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:44,300
or it just has to be treated

2083
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:45,300
like any other low-income

2084
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,300
project?

2085
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:50,300
>> Okay, so for residential

2086
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:52,300
care facility,

2087
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:53,300
which is also true for

2088
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:56,300
supportive I'm gonna go back.

2089
01:06:59,300 --> 01:07:00,300
This is the commercial

2090
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:01,300
district. So,

2091
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:02,300
in commercial districts,

2092
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:03,300
we don't have to include the

2093
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:05,300
transitional housing. We have

2094
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:07,403
to include the supportive.

2095
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,300
So, in the commercial districts,

2096
01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:14,300
the permitted and prohibited,

2097
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:16,300
which is what you're seeing

2098
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:18,300
here, they reflect multifamily,

2099
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:19,300
how the town treats multifamily

2100
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:21,300
projects. So

2101
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:24,300
in neighborhood mixed-use,

2102
01:07:24,300 --> 01:07:25,300
community commercial, town

2103
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:27,300
center, town center, It's

2104
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:29,300
permitted by right. So that's

2105
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:31,300
how we're required

2106
01:07:31,300 --> 01:07:33,300
to treat supportive housing.

2107
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:34,300
So that's what you're seeing

2108
01:07:34,300 --> 01:07:35,300
here,

2109
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:36,300
if that's the question.

2110
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:37,300
>> Okay, so that's

2111
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:39,300
for commercial, right?

2112
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:40,300
Anywhere else?

2113
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:41,300
>> And then here,

2114
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:42,300
this is what you're seeing

2115
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:44,300
in our residential districts.

2116
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:46,300
And the reason that we haven't

2117
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:48,300
identified what permit type is

2118
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,300
required

2119
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:51,300
for the different districts is

2120
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:53,300
until we get an application, we

2121
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:55,300
don't know if it would be

2122
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:56,300
allowed at all or allowed

2123
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:59,300
by right. So as an example,

2124
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:00,300
if we got an application for a

2125
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,300
multifamily supportive housing

2126
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:03,300
or transitional housing project

2127
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:05,300
in rural residential, it would

2128
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:06,300
be prohibited because

2129
01:08:06,300 --> 01:08:08,300
multifamily is not allowed

2130
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,300
in rural residential. So,

2131
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:12,300
until we get the application,

2132
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:15,603
we don't know what the process

2133
01:08:17,300 --> 01:08:20,300
is. So that's why we're just

2134
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:22,300
referring

2135
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:23,300
to the government code.

2136
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:24,300
>> And specifically, though,

2137
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:26,300
I want to make sure that the

2138
01:08:26,300 --> 01:08:27,300
government code isn't going

2139
01:08:27,300 --> 01:08:29,300
to say something like, oh,

2140
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:30,300
because you put consistent

2141
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:32,300
with the government code,

2142
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:33,300
which I know we have

2143
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:34,300
to be consistent,

2144
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:35,300
but that it's going

2145
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:36,300
to override any

2146
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:38,300
of our rural residential or any

2147
01:08:38,300 --> 01:08:39,300
of the other sections that we

2148
01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:41,300
have.

2149
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:43,300
>> It allows us to be

2150
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:44,300
consistent

2151
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:45,300
with state law and just say

2152
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:47,300
in If multifamily is allowed

2153
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:50,300
and you submit a multifamily

2154
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:52,300
supportive housing,

2155
01:08:52,300 --> 01:08:55,300
we're just going to treat it

2156
01:08:55,300 --> 01:08:57,300
the same way. I don't see it

2157
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:00,300
making us do something that

2158
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:06,300
>> Does it specifically say in

2159
01:09:06,300 --> 01:09:07,300
the government code that it

2160
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:08,300
will be treated

2161
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:09,300
like multifamily,

2162
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:10,300
or do we need

2163
01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:11,300
to have it written

2164
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:12,300
into our zoning code

2165
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:13,300
to say that?

2166
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:14,300
>> What it says in the

2167
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:15,300
government code is that the

2168
01:09:15,300 --> 01:09:16,300
town, any jurisdiction, has to

2169
01:09:16,300 --> 01:09:17,300
treat supportive housing and

2170
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:19,300
transitional housing the same

2171
01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:21,300
way it treats that same housing

2172
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:23,300
type.

2173
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:26,300
>> Which is multifamily?

2174
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:27,300
>> No, which is single-family

2175
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:28,300
or multifamily.

2176
01:09:28,300 --> 01:09:30,300
>> Depending, right? Yes.

2177
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:32,403
Okay. Thank you. Any

2178
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:36,300
other questions?

2179
01:09:37,300 --> 01:09:39,403
>> Mayor, and just wanted

2180
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:41,300
to let you know, Mike Wald has

2181
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:42,300
arrived.

2182
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:43,300
>> Welcome, Council Member

2183
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:44,300
Wall. So now at this time,

2184
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:46,300
hearing no more questions

2185
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:47,300
unless you have one, Council

2186
01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:48,300
Member Wall, I don't know how

2187
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:49,300
long you've been. Any

2188
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:50,300
questions?

2189
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:51,300
>> Nope, I heard all of it and

2190
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:53,300
I have no questions.

2191
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:54,300
>> Thank you. I'm gonna go

2192
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:55,300
ahead and open up

2193
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:56,300
to public hearing. Any members

2194
01:09:56,300 --> 01:09:57,300
of the public wishing

2195
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:58,300
to make a comment

2196
01:09:58,300 --> 01:09:59,300
on this item, 13.1, may

2197
01:09:59,300 --> 01:10:01,300
approach the podium and line up

2198
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:02,300
and state your name if you'd

2199
01:10:02,300 --> 01:10:04,300
like.

2200
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:20,300
>> Good evening, council

2201
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:21,300
members. My name is Matt

2202
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:22,300
Hoist. I'm a local business

2203
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:23,300
owner focusing

2204
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:25,300
on the construction of

2205
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:26,300
accessory dwelling units. I've

2206
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:27,300
chosen to focus

2207
01:10:27,300 --> 01:10:28,300
on ADUs because

2208
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:29,300
of the opportunity it provides

2209
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:30,300
to increase housing supply,

2210
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:32,300
stabilizing our housing costs.

2211
01:10:32,300 --> 01:10:34,300
And create more attainable

2212
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:36,300
paths to homeownership.

2213
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:37,300
Throughout my work, I've sat

2214
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:38,300
down with hundreds of families

2215
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,300
and discussed their

2216
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:40,300
homeownership needs, financial

2217
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:42,300
challenges,

2218
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:44,300
and long-term goals. These

2219
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:45,300
conversations are why I think

2220
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:47,300
adopting AB 1033, which is

2221
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:48,300
selling your ADU as a condo,

2222
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:50,403
could be so valuable

2223
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:53,300
for the town of Windsor. I

2224
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:55,300
regularly meet parents who are

2225
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:57,300
trying

2226
01:10:57,300 --> 01:10:58,300
to keep their adult children

2227
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:00,300
to remain in the community and

2228
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:02,300
know that they cannot afford to

2229
01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:03,300
purchase a traditional home. AB

2230
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:04,300
1033 could allow families to

2231
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:06,300
both purchase homes together

2232
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:07,300
that has existing ADUs,

2233
01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:09,300
as you guys were just here

2234
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:10,300
discussing,

2235
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:11,300
but also allows parents to go

2236
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:12,300
ahead and gift their kids part

2237
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,300
of their property and allow

2238
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:15,300
them to just incur the house or

2239
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:17,300
the cost of construction while

2240
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:18,300
still keeping their family

2241
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:20,300
close and still keeping young

2242
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:21,300
people a part

2243
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:22,300
of this community. And I think

2244
01:11:22,300 --> 01:11:23,300
if we don't continue

2245
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:25,300
to keep young people a part

2246
01:11:25,300 --> 01:11:26,300
of our community. It is going

2247
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:27,300
to lead to devastating things

2248
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:28,300
in the future,

2249
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:30,300
including reduction

2250
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:31,300
of taxes and community, among

2251
01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:33,300
many other things as well. It

2252
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:35,300
could also help individuals who

2253
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:37,300
have been priced out

2254
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:39,300
of purchasing a home

2255
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:40,300
on their own. Smaller ADUs can

2256
01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:41,300
buy can provide more affordable

2257
01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:43,300
entry points to homeownership

2258
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:44,300
while allowing them to build

2259
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,300
equity and remain connected

2260
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:48,300
in our community. For families

2261
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,300
with aging parents,

2262
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:51,300
we all know that the cost of

2263
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,300
assisted care and facilities

2264
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:54,300
are expensive, and because

2265
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:56,300
of that,

2266
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:57,300
more and more are deciding

2267
01:11:57,300 --> 01:11:58,300
to go ahead and build ADUs

2268
01:11:58,300 --> 01:11:59,300
on their kids' properties.

2269
01:11:59,300 --> 01:12:02,300
What this ends up creating

2270
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,300
sometimes is an issue when they

2271
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:07,300
go ahead and pass

2272
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,300
on how the property is going to

2273
01:12:10,300 --> 01:12:11,300
transfer if they have multiple

2274
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:12,300
children and estate planning as

2275
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:14,300
a whole. I think AB 1033 lends

2276
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,300
extremely well

2277
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:18,300
to this and allows them

2278
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:19,300
to sell it as separate piece

2279
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:21,300
of property and helps them

2280
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:23,300
with estate planning. Along

2281
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:24,300
with that, allows them to have

2282
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:26,300
security and independence while

2283
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:27,300
still staying close to families

2284
01:12:27,300 --> 01:12:29,300
and creates more one-story

2285
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:32,300
homes here in Sonoma County,

2286
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:33,300
which is lacking. And

2287
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:34,300
especially

2288
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:36,300
with an aging population,

2289
01:12:36,300 --> 01:12:37,300
is a great opportunity to

2290
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:38,300
create some more affordable

2291
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:39,300
one-story homes. It could also

2292
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:41,403
give homeowners a great

2293
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:44,300
financial opportunity as they

2294
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:45,300
get towards retirement. We all

2295
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,300
know that a lot

2296
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:48,300
of people haven't saved enough

2297
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:49,300
for retirement. It allows them

2298
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:51,300
to sell part

2299
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:52,300
of their residence, helps them

2300
01:12:52,300 --> 01:12:54,300
to reduce debt,

2301
01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:55,300
supplement their retirement

2302
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,300
income, their savings, or

2303
01:12:57,300 --> 01:12:58,300
to retain a home

2304
01:12:58,300 --> 01:13:01,300
in their old age. AB 1033 will

2305
01:13:01,300 --> 01:13:03,300
not solve every housing problem

2306
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:04,300
here in the town of Windsor,

2307
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:06,300
but I think it provides a

2308
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:08,300
practical and flexible tool

2309
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:09,300
for Windsor families. I

2310
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,300
respectfully ask the town

2311
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:12,300
council to adopt AB 1033 and

2312
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:13,300
expand pathways available

2313
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:15,300
to homeownership,

2314
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:19,300
local homeownership. Thank you.

2315
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:21,300
>> Thank you.

2316
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:29,300
>> Good evening, Mayor. Let me

2317
01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:31,300
pull this down. Good evening,

2318
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:33,300
Mayor, council members,

2319
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:35,300
and staff. My name is Sonia

2320
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:37,300
Bick Barwick, and I'm a

2321
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:38,300
lifelong resident of Sonoma

2322
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:39,300
County and the senior

2323
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,300
engagement manager at

2324
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:42,300
Generation and housing. I want

2325
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:43,300
to thank the town staff

2326
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:45,300
for bringing the opportunity

2327
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:46,300
to sell ADUs

2328
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:47,300
before the council. Looking at

2329
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:49,300
new housing requires thoughtful

2330
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:50,300
leadership, and I appreciate

2331
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:51,300
your willingness to consider

2332
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:53,300
another practical tool that can

2333
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:55,403
help address Windsor's local

2334
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:58,300
housing needs. As a parent,

2335
01:13:58,300 --> 01:13:59,300
this issue is especially

2336
01:13:59,300 --> 01:14:01,300
meaningful to me.

2337
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:02,300
Like many families, I think

2338
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:03,300
about whether my children will

2339
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:04,300
be able to afford to live in

2340
01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:07,300
community where they grew up.

2341
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:08,300
My hope is that they will have

2342
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:09,300
the opportunity to stay close

2343
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:10,300
to their family instead

2344
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:12,300
of feeling like they have to

2345
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:13,300
move away because homeownership

2346
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:15,300
is out of reach.

2347
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:17,300
>> Allowing ADUs to be sold

2348
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:18,300
separately creates more

2349
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:19,300
flexibilities for families. It

2350
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:20,300
can give older adults the

2351
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:22,300
options to age

2352
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:23,300
in place while creating

2353
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:24,300
pathways for homeownership

2354
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:25,300
for their adult children,

2355
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:27,300
for first-time buyers,

2356
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:29,300
and others who want

2357
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:32,300
to put their roots down here

2358
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:33,300
in Windsor. I also wanted to

2359
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:34,300
restate that this ordinance

2360
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:35,300
will not change what is allowed

2361
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:37,300
to be built. It only addresses

2362
01:14:37,300 --> 01:14:38,300
whether these units can be sold

2363
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:41,603
and not just rented. To me,

2364
01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:43,300
this is about keeping families

2365
01:14:43,300 --> 01:14:44,300
connected,

2366
01:14:44,300 --> 01:14:46,300
supporting multi-generational

2367
01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:47,300
living, and giving more people

2368
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:48,300
the opportunity

2369
01:14:48,300 --> 01:14:49,300
to build their future

2370
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:51,300
in the community they love.

2371
01:14:51,300 --> 01:14:52,300
Thank you for your thoughtful

2372
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:54,300
consideration and

2373
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:56,300
for your leadership.

2374
01:15:05,300 --> 01:15:06,300
>> Hi, Betsy Mal with Flame

2375
01:15:06,300 --> 01:15:07,300
tree Circle. I still have a lot

2376
01:15:07,300 --> 01:15:08,300
of questions

2377
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:10,300
about the ADUs being offered to

2378
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:11,300
be sold separately as condos. I

2379
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:12,300
was following Sebastopol and I

2380
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,300
saw that they had passed an

2381
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:16,300
ordinance. And so,

2382
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:17,300
I'm wondering if there's going

2383
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:19,300
to be unintended consequences.

2384
01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:20,300
to this amendment if it is

2385
01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:24,203
passed. And they did give it a

2386
01:15:28,300 --> 01:15:29,300
sunset date,

2387
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:30,300
but I'm asking you,

2388
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:31,300
if you're going

2389
01:15:31,300 --> 01:15:32,300
to consider it, that you may

2390
01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:34,300
make it a pilot program that

2391
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,300
could be canceled or amended at

2392
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:37,300
any point. I don't really

2393
01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:39,300
understand an HOA board that

2394
01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:41,300
consists of the owner

2395
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:43,300
of one house and the owner

2396
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:46,300
of the other house. The house

2397
01:15:46,300 --> 01:15:48,300
is a condo, meaning the

2398
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:51,603
property or the land is not

2399
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:53,300
being transferred. So, the

2400
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:54,300
property taxes stay

2401
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:56,403
with the main house,

2402
01:15:57,300 --> 01:16:00,300
and if the ADU is sold and then

2403
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:01,300
improved,

2404
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:03,300
those improvements go back

2405
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:04,300
to the property taxes

2406
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:06,300
on the main house. The I don't

2407
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:07,300
think the property taxes are

2408
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,300
split. I could be wrong because

2409
01:16:09,300 --> 01:16:10,300
you're not splitting property,

2410
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:12,300
you're only splitting the

2411
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:15,300
building. I think that parking

2412
01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:17,300
is going

2413
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:18,300
to become has the potential

2414
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:20,300
to become an issue. Who has

2415
01:16:20,300 --> 01:16:21,300
easement if there's just more

2416
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:22,300
people living in the same

2417
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:24,300
spaces where there's not enough

2418
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:26,300
parking? And then you have an

2419
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:27,300
HOA that consists of 2 people.

2420
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:29,300
I just see that there's a

2421
01:16:29,300 --> 01:16:31,300
potential

2422
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:33,300
for unintended consequences.

2423
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:35,300
So, I ask you to really look

2424
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:37,300
at this, maybe let Sebastian

2425
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:39,300
Pools play out

2426
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:41,403
for a little bit,

2427
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:45,300
and if you really feel

2428
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:46,300
like you need to move ahead

2429
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:48,300
with this, to do it as a pilot

2430
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:49,300
program so that if there are

2431
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:50,300
unintended consequences that

2432
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:51,300
come through, you're able

2433
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:54,603
to end the program. Thank you.

2434
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:02,300
>> Good afternoon, Mayor,

2435
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:03,300
council members, and staff. My

2436
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:04,300
name is Omar Lopez. I'm the

2437
01:17:04,300 --> 01:17:05,300
policy coordinator at

2438
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:07,300
Generation Housing. I just want

2439
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:08,300
to reiterate that

2440
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:10,300
with these ADUs, we're not

2441
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:11,300
building anything more than

2442
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:12,300
what can be rebuilt. Now it

2443
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:14,300
just allows for selling. The

2444
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:15,300
City of San Jose has actually

2445
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:16,300
been kind of leading

2446
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:17,300
on this. I know Sebastopol's a

2447
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:18,300
good local example,

2448
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,300
but they are very new. And

2449
01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:21,300
San Jose has already sold 2

2450
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:22,300
ADUs. So, a lot of sorts of

2451
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:23,300
these issues that are valid

2452
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:24,300
issues, we can kind of look

2453
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:26,300
at San Jose

2454
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:27,300
for how it's worked out

2455
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:29,300
for them. And they have kind

2456
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:30,300
of like the best-case scenario

2457
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:32,300
where they had an ADU right

2458
01:17:32,300 --> 01:17:33,300
next to the primary unit and

2459
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:34,300
you couldn't even tell which

2460
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:36,300
one was which. And they had

2461
01:17:36,300 --> 01:17:37,300
independent driveways. and

2462
01:17:37,300 --> 01:17:39,300
independent parking spots.

2463
01:17:39,300 --> 01:17:40,300
That is the best-case scenario,

2464
01:17:40,300 --> 01:17:41,300
but that is something that you

2465
01:17:41,300 --> 01:17:43,300
as a council can sort of help

2466
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:44,300
address as applications come

2467
01:17:44,300 --> 01:17:46,300
through. And then I think

2468
01:17:46,300 --> 01:17:48,300
that's it. I hope you guys do

2469
01:17:48,300 --> 01:17:49,300
consider adopting this policy.

2470
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:52,300
Oh, one last thing. I do

2471
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:55,300
politely push back a little bit

2472
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:56,300
on making it a pilot that you

2473
01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:57,300
can cancel at any time. That

2474
01:17:57,300 --> 01:17:59,300
would just create a lot

2475
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:00,300
of uncertainty. Why would

2476
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:01,300
somebody wanna start the

2477
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:02,300
process if the next day the

2478
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:04,300
thing gets canceled and then it

2479
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:05,300
goes nowhere. So, I understand

2480
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:06,300
doing the sunset date. I think

2481
01:18:06,300 --> 01:18:08,300
that's a good way to keep it

2482
01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:09,300
something that you can monitor

2483
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:13,203
and see how it goes. Thank you.

2484
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:17,300
>> Anybody else? Seeing none,

2485
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:18,300
I'm going to go ahead and close

2486
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:19,300
the public hearing and bring it

2487
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:20,300
back to the council for

2488
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:22,300
discussion. I think there are a

2489
01:18:22,300 --> 01:18:24,300
lot of great questions, a lot

2490
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:26,300
of community good community

2491
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:28,300
feedback. So where would we

2492
01:18:28,300 --> 01:18:31,300
like to start? Do we want

2493
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:32,300
to tackle one item

2494
01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:34,300
at a time?

2495
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:35,300
>> Mayor, could I just ask if

2496
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:37,300
you have the answer to the

2497
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:39,300
property tax question that

2498
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:40,300
Ms. Malice said? So, if the

2499
01:18:40,300 --> 01:18:42,300
land is owned

2500
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:45,300
by the main owner

2501
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:47,300
of the property,

2502
01:18:47,300 --> 01:18:48,300
but then the ADU is sold, and

2503
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:50,300
then it's that ADU is then sold

2504
01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:51,300
again, and in Improvements are

2505
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:54,300
made upon the condo. I mean, is

2506
01:18:54,300 --> 01:18:55,300
there anything that says it? I

2507
01:18:55,300 --> 01:18:57,300
mean, I would imagine it can

2508
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:59,300
just keep changing hands

2509
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:00,300
from its current owner

2510
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:02,300
to the next owner

2511
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:04,300
without the say

2512
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:06,403
of the original owner

2513
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:09,300
of the main house. But then if

2514
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:10,300
improvements are made

2515
01:19:10,300 --> 01:19:12,403
to that condominium, then

2516
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:14,300
because do the property taxes

2517
01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:16,300
go back to the original owner

2518
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:17,300
because the land is not then

2519
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:19,300
owned by the person who is

2520
01:19:19,300 --> 01:19:21,300
owning the condo? So, I sell my

2521
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:23,403
ADU. Somebody buys it,

2522
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:25,300
they sell it,

2523
01:19:25,300 --> 01:19:26,300
they make a whole bunch

2524
01:19:26,300 --> 01:19:27,300
of improvements, and now the

2525
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:28,300
property tax has been

2526
01:19:28,300 --> 01:19:29,300
reassessed. Do I pay the extra

2527
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:31,300
property tax or do they pay the

2528
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:33,300
extra property tax?

2529
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:40,300
>> I'm trying to follow the

2530
01:19:40,300 --> 01:19:41,300
because I get the question.

2531
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:42,300
It's the now I own the

2532
01:19:42,300 --> 01:19:44,403
property, so now the

2533
01:19:45,300 --> 01:19:46,300
reassessment, am I responsible

2534
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:48,300
for it, or is the next owner

2535
01:19:48,300 --> 01:19:50,300
of the condo,

2536
01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:52,300
would they be responsible? And

2537
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:55,300
I don't know, Kim, I have not

2538
01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:56,300
looked at the condo sale as far

2539
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:58,300
as the selling of the condos

2540
01:19:58,300 --> 01:19:59,300
regarding the property tax. I

2541
01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:01,300
think that the ordinance was

2542
01:20:01,300 --> 01:20:02,300
focused on the sale, but not

2543
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:03,300
the potential unintended

2544
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:05,300
consequences

2545
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:06,300
of who's paying the property

2546
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:08,300
tax on it,

2547
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:09,300
given that the property still

2548
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:11,300
owned, the land

2549
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:14,300
>> Correct.

2550
01:20:14,300 --> 01:20:15,300
>> Is still owned

2551
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:16,300
by the house.

2552
01:20:16,300 --> 01:20:17,300
>> But the condos is actually,

2553
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:18,300
condos still have to pay some

2554
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:19,300
of the property taxes. I think

2555
01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:20,300
Mr. Streeter.

2556
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:21,300
>> Yeah, if I could just chime

2557
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:22,300
in, Patrick Streeter,

2558
01:20:22,300 --> 01:20:23,300
Community Developer. I did look

2559
01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:24,300
into this a little bit. The

2560
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:26,300
question came up previously and

2561
01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:27,300
I believe condominium owners

2562
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:29,300
pay property tax

2563
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:30,300
for their property,

2564
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:31,300
which they own. They don't own

2565
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,300
the ground. They own the

2566
01:20:33,300 --> 01:20:34,300
building.

2567
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:35,300
But they own the building,

2568
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:36,300
which is property. So,

2569
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:37,300
in theory, if a condo is made

2570
01:20:37,300 --> 01:20:39,300
of, from a,

2571
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:40,300
there's a property That's that

2572
01:20:40,300 --> 01:20:41,300
exists that has a main house

2573
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:43,300
and it has an ADU and it's one

2574
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:44,300
property, it's then

2575
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:45,300
condominiumized and there's a

2576
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:46,300
condo that's taken out,

2577
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:48,300
the assessment value

2578
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:49,300
of that original property goes

2579
01:20:49,300 --> 01:20:50,300
down for the unit that has now

2580
01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:52,300
been taken out

2581
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:54,300
of that property. That is now

2582
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:55,300
an independent taxable unit,

2583
01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:58,300
and so any changes made to that

2584
01:20:58,300 --> 01:20:59,300
will be the responsibility

2585
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:01,300
of the property owner

2586
01:21:01,300 --> 01:21:03,300
of the condo

2587
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:04,300
to pay those.

2588
01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:05,300
>> Just as if it was land.

2589
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:06,300
>> Yeah, it's just it's

2590
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:07,300
detached from it.

2591
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:08,300
>> It's detached.

2592
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:09,300
>> Yeah.

2593
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:10,300
>> Because they're paying

2594
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:11,300
the improvement just

2595
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:12,300
on the outside of it.

2596
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:13,300
>> The building is the

2597
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:15,300
property.

2598
01:21:21,300 --> 01:21:22,300
>> Okay. That makes sense.

2599
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:23,300
>> Okay. Great question

2600
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:25,300
from the public, and I'm glad

2601
01:21:25,300 --> 01:21:27,300
Director Streeter had an answer

2602
01:21:27,300 --> 01:21:30,300
for that because that was. Who

2603
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:32,300
would like

2604
01:21:32,300 --> 01:21:33,300
to start the discussion? And

2605
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:35,300
again, I've. I was wondering

2606
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:36,300
if, if we wanted to focus,

2607
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:38,300
right? There's various

2608
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:39,300
sections. Do we want

2609
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:41,300
to tackle one at a time?

2610
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:42,300
>> Mayor, maybe

2611
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:44,300
before I know that

2612
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:45,300
Councilmember Sammy, you asked

2613
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:46,300
regarding the transitional

2614
01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:49,300
housing and the whether how

2615
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:50,300
they were treated and whether

2616
01:21:50,300 --> 01:21:51,300
there was a limit. And I

2617
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:52,300
remember, you're right,

2618
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:54,300
back then the residential care

2619
01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:55,300
facilities, for example,

2620
01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:57,300
they had the, the limit of 6

2621
01:21:57,300 --> 01:21:58,300
beds. They ended up I think

2622
01:21:58,300 --> 01:21:59,300
they ended up getting rid

2623
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:01,300
of those standards. But

2624
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:04,300
for our code, they're treated

2625
01:22:04,300 --> 01:22:05,300
just as supportive housing and

2626
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:06,300
transitional housing. They're

2627
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:08,300
treated and correct me if I'm

2628
01:22:08,300 --> 01:22:09,300
wrong, Kim but they're treated

2629
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:10,300
exact they're just treated for

2630
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:12,300
that the same as other uses

2631
01:22:12,300 --> 01:22:13,300
there. So if it's

2632
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:15,300
in residential, treated

2633
01:22:18,300 --> 01:22:19,300
like residential, multifamily

2634
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:21,300
treated as multifamily.

2635
01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:22,300
>> So, chances are there are no

2636
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:24,300
limits on the number

2637
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:25,300
of beds.

2638
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,300
>> Correct. Those limits got

2639
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:28,300
they got rid

2640
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:30,300
of those limits.

2641
01:22:31,300 --> 01:22:32,300
>> But there's really nothing

2642
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:33,300
we can do about that. It's a

2643
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:35,300
government yeah. Okay. So,

2644
01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:37,300
recommendation 1, anyone want

2645
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:39,403
to make a recommendation

2646
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:41,300
for this, for the density bonus

2647
01:22:41,300 --> 01:22:43,300
healthcare facility? Want to

2648
01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:45,300
state your position or have a

2649
01:22:45,300 --> 01:22:47,300
discussion about it?

2650
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,300
>> I think we should discuss it

2651
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:52,300
a little bit. Because is this

2652
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,300
something that we want to do?

2653
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:56,300
Do we want to provide a density

2654
01:22:56,300 --> 01:22:57,300
bonus or some sort of an

2655
01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:00,300
incentive when we don't know if

2656
01:23:00,300 --> 01:23:01,300
there's a guarantee that in

2657
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:03,300
perpetuity there would be a

2658
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:05,300
medical facility on that?

2659
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:07,300
>> And if I can just chime in

2660
01:23:07,300 --> 01:23:09,300
to provide a little clarity,

2661
01:23:09,300 --> 01:23:10,300
this item is

2662
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:11,300
about creating a definition for

2663
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:13,300
community healthcare facility.

2664
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:14,300
The council has already

2665
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:16,300
previously said that you want

2666
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:17,300
to include a density bonus

2667
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:19,300
for childcare facilities or for

2668
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:21,300
community healthcare

2669
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:24,300
facilities. So, if we were

2670
01:23:24,300 --> 01:23:25,300
to roll back on that, it would

2671
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:26,300
require a different agenda

2672
01:23:26,300 --> 01:23:28,300
meeting.

2673
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:30,300
>> Okay. All right. I'm fine

2674
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:31,300
with the definition.

2675
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:32,300
>> I'm fine

2676
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:34,300
with the definition then.

2677
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:37,603
That's all it is. Yes. Okay.

2678
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:41,300
Recommendation 2. What do we

2679
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:43,300
want to do

2680
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:45,403
about the ADU condos?

2681
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:48,300
Councilmember Wall, please

2682
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:49,300
chime in if you want to. I

2683
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:51,403
can't see you. Councilmember

2684
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:55,300
Salmon? Oh, okay. Yeah, just

2685
01:23:55,300 --> 01:23:58,300
chime in when you're if you

2686
01:23:58,300 --> 01:24:00,403
have something to share.

2687
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:04,300
Councilmember Leep or Salmon,

2688
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:05,300
do you guys have anything

2689
01:24:05,300 --> 01:24:06,300
on what you want to do with ADU

2690
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:07,300
condos?

2691
01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:08,300
>> I can make some comments.

2692
01:24:08,300 --> 01:24:09,300
>> Okay.

2693
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:10,300
>> I'm really concerned

2694
01:24:10,300 --> 01:24:12,403
with the homeowner's agreement,

2695
01:24:13,300 --> 01:24:14,300
the agreement between because I

2696
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:17,300
see that it'll be the primary I

2697
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:18,300
can only it's the way I can see

2698
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:20,300
it works. The primary house is

2699
01:24:20,300 --> 01:24:22,300
going

2700
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:23,300
to be the one that's going

2701
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,403
to create the condominium.

2702
01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:27,300
They'll be in charge

2703
01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:29,300
of drafting the document

2704
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:31,403
of the homeowner's association,

2705
01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:36,300
and then it'll be a 1-to-1

2706
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:38,300
vote. And we've I've had I'm

2707
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:39,300
just not with it. We've dealt

2708
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:41,300
with this

2709
01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:45,300
in a grocery market situation

2710
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:46,300
in the town,

2711
01:24:46,300 --> 01:24:48,300
and it's not a happy place.

2712
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:51,603
And so, then we have the

2713
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:55,300
definition auxiliary dwelling

2714
01:24:57,300 --> 01:24:59,403
unit is different than

2715
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:02,300
subdivided condominium. And I'm

2716
01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:04,403
having trouble making that

2717
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:08,403
switch and really comprehending

2718
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:12,300
all the consequences that come

2719
01:25:12,300 --> 01:25:14,300
with it. We really haven't

2720
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:16,300
experienced the possible

2721
01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:22,300
explosion of ADU construction

2722
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:24,300
in our new developments,

2723
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:25,300
but they're

2724
01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:27,300
out there. I think Quail Acres

2725
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:29,300
has a number of units that have

2726
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:31,300
auxiliary dwelling units. And

2727
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:34,300
to see how that plays out

2728
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:36,403
in a single-family development,

2729
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:43,300
I think we need to see it. I

2730
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:46,300
think we also experienced it

2731
01:25:46,300 --> 01:25:48,403
with other developments. So,

2732
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:51,300
I'm very hesitant

2733
01:25:52,300 --> 01:25:53,300
to do this process

2734
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:55,403
of the condominium creation

2735
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,300
in ADUs at this point

2736
01:26:00,300 --> 01:26:02,300
to see how it's going to play

2737
01:26:02,300 --> 01:26:04,300
out. I do understand the

2738
01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:06,300
necessity to try to find ways

2739
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:09,300
that people can create wealth

2740
01:26:12,300 --> 01:26:13,300
through homeownership because

2741
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:16,603
it really is troubling in this

2742
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,300
time where everything is so

2743
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:21,300
expensive that there's no

2744
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:24,300
gateway. And this is a gateway,

2745
01:26:24,300 --> 01:26:25,300
but I just see a lot

2746
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:27,300
of problems

2747
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:30,300
with it that are unsolved

2748
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:33,300
at this point. So, I'll listen

2749
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:35,300
and continue

2750
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:37,300
to think how I'm going to make

2751
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:39,300
my take my position.

2752
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:41,300
>> Okay, perfect.

2753
01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:43,300
Councilmember Leep?

2754
01:26:43,300 --> 01:26:44,300
>> Yes, I do have a couple of

2755
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:46,300
comments or questions. I don't

2756
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:49,603
know which they are. I think

2757
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:51,300
that the concept of a

2758
01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:53,300
condominium is already

2759
01:26:53,300 --> 01:26:55,300
established law and policy and

2760
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:57,300
everything. A condo is a condo

2761
01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:59,300
is a condo. So, we know what

2762
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:01,300
condos are. So, I'm not afraid

2763
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:02,300
of condos. And that's a simple

2764
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,300
question, a simple question

2765
01:27:04,300 --> 01:27:05,300
for me. One thing I don't quite

2766
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:07,300
get the impact of is the legal

2767
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:10,300
parcel that was created more

2768
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:13,300
than 5 years prior

2769
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:16,300
to the application. So, does

2770
01:27:17,300 --> 01:27:20,300
that mean only the ADUs that

2771
01:27:20,300 --> 01:27:23,603
have been in place for 5 years

2772
01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:25,300
up till today,

2773
01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:27,300
or whatever the right date is,

2774
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:29,300
are eligible to be converted

2775
01:27:29,300 --> 01:27:31,300
to a condo?

2776
01:27:34,300 --> 01:27:35,300
>> That's correct. And that

2777
01:27:35,300 --> 01:27:38,300
well, what do you mean?

2778
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:41,300
>> It could be an ADU built

2779
01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:43,300
in the last 5 years.

2780
01:27:43,300 --> 01:27:44,300
>> Right.

2781
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:46,300
>> And be subdivided.

2782
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:50,300
>> Right. So, the ADU, right?

2783
01:27:50,300 --> 01:27:52,300
So, he sorry about that. So, I

2784
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:53,300
put this slide up because this

2785
01:27:53,300 --> 01:27:55,300
was very intentional,

2786
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:56,300
the way this language was

2787
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:57,300
written, and it really gets

2788
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:59,300
to Sam's point. The town has

2789
01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:00,300
approved quite a few

2790
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:01,300
subdivisions,

2791
01:28:01,300 --> 01:28:02,300
and they do have the potential

2792
01:28:02,300 --> 01:28:04,300
to construct ADUs,

2793
01:28:04,300 --> 01:28:05,300
and we wanted to make sure that

2794
01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:07,403
any new subdivision application

2795
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:09,300
that is submitted, any new

2796
01:28:09,300 --> 01:28:11,300
subdivision that has been

2797
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:12,300
approved,

2798
01:28:12,300 --> 01:28:14,300
that those projects have

2799
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:15,300
to be constructed and built and

2800
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:17,300
in existence for at least 5

2801
01:28:17,300 --> 01:28:19,300
years

2802
01:28:19,300 --> 01:28:21,300
before we're seeing any kind

2803
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:23,403
of ADU, detached ADU

2804
01:28:27,300 --> 01:28:28,300
condominium conversion. So,

2805
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:29,300
we're understanding what those

2806
01:28:29,300 --> 01:28:30,300
impacts look like

2807
01:28:30,300 --> 01:28:32,300
for the town. And then This

2808
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:33,300
ordinance was proposed for

2809
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:35,300
about a 3-year term so we can

2810
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:36,300
see what this looks like

2811
01:28:36,300 --> 01:28:38,300
for the town. And then that

2812
01:28:38,300 --> 01:28:39,300
it's physically detached

2813
01:28:39,300 --> 01:28:42,300
to minimize impacts, you know,

2814
01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:48,300
between neighbors. The

2815
01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:49,300
buildings don't touch,

2816
01:28:49,300 --> 01:28:51,300
there's space in

2817
01:28:51,300 --> 01:28:52,300
between everybody. And even

2818
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:54,300
though in some circumstance,

2819
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:55,300
you know, circumstances,

2820
01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:57,300
properties can have more than

2821
01:28:57,300 --> 01:28:59,300
one detached ADU, that we're

2822
01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:01,300
only allowing one conversion.

2823
01:29:01,300 --> 01:29:03,300
So that we're trying

2824
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:04,300
to be very conservative in the

2825
01:29:04,300 --> 01:29:06,300
approach that we take if the

2826
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:08,300
town is interested in trying an

2827
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:10,300
ADU conversion program.

2828
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:17,300
>> So, I think I now understand

2829
01:29:17,300 --> 01:29:18,300
the idea. So, if an ADU is

2830
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:20,300
constructed tomorrow

2831
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:22,403
by a developer, 5 years

2832
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:25,300
from now, they can turn that

2833
01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:26,000
into a condo, right? They can

2834
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,100
qualify for the application.

2835
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:29,100
They can't for 5 years because

2836
01:29:29,100 --> 01:29:30,100
they have to be in existence

2837
01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:32,100
for 5 years.

2838
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,100
>> Well, the issue with that is

2839
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:37,100
that the ordinance will expire

2840
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,100
in 2029.

2841
01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:40,100
>> I hear you. I got that.

2842
01:29:40,100 --> 01:29:41,100
It's going to expire

2843
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:43,100
before we find that out, which

2844
01:29:43,100 --> 01:29:46,100
is a safety valve there.

2845
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:48,100
>> Right.

2846
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:49,100
>> And we've got 47 units. or

2847
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:51,100
whatever you said the number

2848
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:52,100
was, 46 chances to try it out

2849
01:29:52,100 --> 01:29:54,100
in the meantime.

2850
01:29:54,100 --> 01:29:56,100
>> Right.

2851
01:29:56,100 --> 01:29:58,100
>> And I understand that. And

2852
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:59,100
now it makes sense

2853
01:29:59,100 --> 01:30:00,100
to me. I was unclear

2854
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:01,100
on what the 5 years meant. I

2855
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:03,100
just want

2856
01:30:03,100 --> 01:30:05,100
to say that even though it may

2857
01:30:05,100 --> 01:30:07,100
not sound like it, I have

2858
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:09,100
reviewed this and I have asked

2859
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:10,100
already some questions

2860
01:30:10,100 --> 01:30:12,100
about it and had them explained

2861
01:30:12,100 --> 01:30:13,100
to me. So, I get the point

2862
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:15,100
of this, and I think it's a

2863
01:30:15,100 --> 01:30:17,401
very interesting plan for,

2864
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:22,100
for the conversion of ADUs

2865
01:30:22,100 --> 01:30:24,100
into ownership.

2866
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:29,100
>> Vice Mayor?

2867
01:30:29,100 --> 01:30:30,100
>> Sure. So, on this one,

2868
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,100
I am torn

2869
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:34,100
between really wanting

2870
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:37,100
to make sure that any homeowner

2871
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:38,100
in Windsor has the opportunity

2872
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:40,100
to do with their property what

2873
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:42,100
they want, but

2874
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:45,100
at the same time Thank you. I'm

2875
01:30:45,100 --> 01:30:47,100
not feeling

2876
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:49,100
like this is just right for

2877
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:50,100
Windsor right now in its

2878
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:53,100
current I'm really hung up on

2879
01:30:53,100 --> 01:30:54,100
the HOA/POA issue because if

2880
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:56,100
there's only 2 members of it,

2881
01:30:56,100 --> 01:30:59,100
how do you ever get to do

2882
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:01,100
anything if the person you

2883
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:03,100
bought the house

2884
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:04,100
from doesn't agree with you?

2885
01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:06,100
So, you never get a choice

2886
01:31:06,100 --> 01:31:07,100
on what you want to do with

2887
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:08,100
your own property now because

2888
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:09,100
you don't have the majority of

2889
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:11,100
a POA vote because there's only

2890
01:31:11,100 --> 01:31:12,100
2 people in it. So, I just have

2891
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:13,100
this real issue with the way

2892
01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:15,100
that that is written,

2893
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:16,100
and there's not a fix to it.

2894
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:18,100
And then what hap like,

2895
01:31:18,100 --> 01:31:19,100
is there an arbitration? Is

2896
01:31:19,100 --> 01:31:21,100
what are the other options for

2897
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:22,100
the person who has purchased

2898
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:24,100
that condo except for to turn

2899
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:26,100
around and sell it to some

2900
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:27,100
other unsuspecting person who's

2901
01:31:27,100 --> 01:31:30,100
going to be a member of the,

2902
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:32,100
the POA?

2903
01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:34,100
>> Thank you.

2904
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:36,100
>> Going forward. So that's my

2905
01:31:36,100 --> 01:31:37,100
concern with that. And I think

2906
01:31:37,100 --> 01:31:38,100
it's, you know, it's an

2907
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:39,100
unintended consequence that I

2908
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,100
would love to watch the

2909
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:41,100
Sebastopol go through,

2910
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:42,100
and then we can learn

2911
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:43,100
from them,

2912
01:31:43,100 --> 01:31:44,100
and then we can make changes

2913
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:45,100
to our ordinance based

2914
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,100
on learning what they're doing,

2915
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:47,100
and then maybe be able

2916
01:31:47,100 --> 01:31:48,100
to bring in an ordinance

2917
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:50,100
in a couple

2918
01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:51,100
of years that we think is,

2919
01:31:51,100 --> 01:31:52,100
is just right for Windsor. So

2920
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:53,100
those are my thoughts on it.

2921
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:54,100
And, and I do understand that,

2922
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:56,100
yes,

2923
01:31:57,100 --> 01:31:58,100
this gives people the ability

2924
01:31:58,100 --> 01:32:00,100
to purchase, you know, and

2925
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:01,100
but also, you know,

2926
01:32:01,100 --> 01:32:02,100
I think that when we think

2927
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:03,100
about ADUs, it's really to try

2928
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,100
to keep, you know,

2929
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:06,100
that income coming in already

2930
01:32:06,100 --> 01:32:07,100
for the people who are creating

2931
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:09,100
those, right,

2932
01:32:09,100 --> 01:32:10,100
as rent right now. So, they're

2933
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:11,100
still going to have some income

2934
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:12,100
if that's the reason that

2935
01:32:12,100 --> 01:32:14,100
they're building the ADU. So, I

2936
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:15,100
don't think we're hamstringing

2937
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:17,100
them, but we're, you know,

2938
01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:18,100
we're just sitting back and

2939
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:19,100
kind of watching and making

2940
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:21,100
sure we make the best policy

2941
01:32:21,100 --> 01:32:23,100
decision.

2942
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:26,100
>> Councilmember Wall, any

2943
01:32:26,100 --> 01:32:27,100
comments?

2944
01:32:27,100 --> 01:32:30,100
>> Yes, thank you. so yeah,

2945
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:35,100
I think we need to really,

2946
01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:36,100
lean into the autonomy

2947
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:37,100
of folks that own their,

2948
01:32:37,100 --> 01:32:39,100
their home and their property,

2949
01:32:39,100 --> 01:32:40,100
and, completely agree with

2950
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:41,100
Vice Mayor Potter

2951
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:44,100
about this concept of having

2952
01:32:44,100 --> 01:32:45,100
to have an HOA,

2953
01:32:45,100 --> 01:32:47,100
and then it just I think it's

2954
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:50,100
ludicrous, to be honest. I

2955
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:52,100
think it just makes no sense.

2956
01:32:52,100 --> 01:32:53,100
Councilmember Salmon mentioned

2957
01:32:53,100 --> 01:32:55,100
giving folks, you know,

2958
01:32:55,100 --> 01:32:56,100
the ability to create wealth

2959
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,100
off their own property. 100%

2960
01:32:58,100 --> 01:33:00,100
yes, it's their property.

2961
01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:02,100
Like, we should not be getting

2962
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:03,100
in their way whatsoever. And

2963
01:33:03,100 --> 01:33:05,100
then we also oftentimes talk

2964
01:33:05,100 --> 01:33:07,100
about our desperate need

2965
01:33:07,100 --> 01:33:10,100
for creating housing. And yes,

2966
01:33:15,100 --> 01:33:17,100
the less barriers we put

2967
01:33:17,100 --> 01:33:18,100
in place,

2968
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:19,100
the more housing we're going

2969
01:33:19,100 --> 01:33:21,100
to be able to create. So, yeah,

2970
01:33:21,100 --> 01:33:22,100
so those are my thoughts. I

2971
01:33:22,100 --> 01:33:23,100
think the HOA is ridiculous,

2972
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:24,100
and we should be removing

2973
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,100
barriers and letting people

2974
01:33:26,100 --> 01:33:27,100
what they want to letting

2975
01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:28,100
people do what they want to do

2976
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:29,100
with their properties, as long

2977
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:32,100
as it doesn't violate any

2978
01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:34,100
obvious zoning issues, etc.

2979
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:36,100
Let's get out of the way. The

2980
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:38,100
less government, better.

2981
01:33:42,100 --> 01:33:44,100
>> I have another comment.

2982
01:33:44,100 --> 01:33:45,100
So, this is our own ordinance.

2983
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:46,100
Is this based is that part

2984
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:47,100
of the ordinance based

2985
01:33:47,100 --> 01:33:48,100
on a state law that we have to

2986
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,100
say that they have a

2987
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:51,100
homeowner's association?

2988
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:54,100
>> So, the law does require

2989
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:56,100
that condominiums shall be

2990
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:57,100
created pursuant to the

2991
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:58,100
Davis-Serling Common Interest

2992
01:33:58,100 --> 01:33:59,100
Development Act, which requires

2993
01:33:59,100 --> 01:34:01,100
the HOA for condominiums.

2994
01:34:01,100 --> 01:34:02,100
That's why it's put in there.

2995
01:34:02,100 --> 01:34:03,100
Now, it could be a simpler

2996
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:06,601
form, but it does require that

2997
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:09,401
it follow the Davis-Sterling

2998
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:13,100
Common Interest Development

2999
01:34:13,100 --> 01:34:14,100
Act. And that's clear

3000
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:15,100
in the law. That's why it's

3001
01:34:15,100 --> 01:34:17,100
there. And the thought, I

3002
01:34:17,100 --> 01:34:18,100
think,

3003
01:34:18,100 --> 01:34:19,100
is there's more regulation

3004
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:20,100
about kind of what happens on

3005
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:22,100
the property you own. I don't

3006
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:24,100
know what the I'm sure there

3007
01:34:24,100 --> 01:34:25,100
was a thought behind it as far

3008
01:34:25,100 --> 01:34:27,100
as making sure that folks

3009
01:34:27,100 --> 01:34:29,100
agreed since they're being very

3010
01:34:29,100 --> 01:34:30,100
close neighbors. et cetera.

3011
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:32,100
You can imagine the why,

3012
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:34,100
but I mean, it does put another

3013
01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:36,100
barrier or another hurdle that

3014
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:38,100
folks have

3015
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:40,100
to jump through.

3016
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:41,100
>> If I could just also chime

3017
01:34:41,100 --> 01:34:42,100
in, knowing the history that

3018
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:44,100
this council has with HOAs,

3019
01:34:44,100 --> 01:34:45,100
no part of this would require

3020
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:46,100
that the town be a party

3021
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:47,100
to that. The requirement is

3022
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:48,100
that they come up

3023
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:50,100
with their own agreement,

3024
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:52,100
and any ADUs are already going

3025
01:34:52,100 --> 01:34:53,100
to have a lease agreement.

3026
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,100
It's similar to that. Any

3027
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:56,100
subdivision has that has an HOA

3028
01:34:56,100 --> 01:34:58,100
has CC&Rs, which talk about how

3029
01:34:58,100 --> 01:34:59,100
they resolve conflicts or how

3030
01:34:59,100 --> 01:35:01,100
they make amendments. So this

3031
01:35:01,100 --> 01:35:02,100
would be a private agreement

3032
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:03,100
between the seller and the

3033
01:35:03,100 --> 01:35:04,100
buyer. The town would

3034
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:06,100
absolutely not be party

3035
01:35:06,100 --> 01:35:07,100
to that and not have

3036
01:35:07,100 --> 01:35:08,100
to not have

3037
01:35:08,100 --> 01:35:10,401
to hear any disputes.

3038
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:14,100
>> I have

3039
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:16,100
to say something.

3040
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:17,100
>> Go ahead.

3041
01:35:17,100 --> 01:35:20,100
>> I have to say something.

3042
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:21,100
In the homeowner ADU, the

3043
01:35:21,100 --> 01:35:22,100
homeowner's association is the

3044
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:23,100
owner of the home. And if,

3045
01:35:23,100 --> 01:35:25,100
if the dogs are barking,

3046
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:28,100
if you, if the cat

3047
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:31,100
they're tearing apart their car

3048
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:32,100
in the driveway, it's the owner

3049
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:34,100
that makes a judgment and says

3050
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:36,100
you're gone. You in this,

3051
01:35:36,100 --> 01:35:37,100
we're going

3052
01:35:37,100 --> 01:35:38,100
to have a vote possibly,

3053
01:35:38,100 --> 01:35:40,100
and it's going

3054
01:35:45,100 --> 01:35:47,401
to be a 1-to-1.

3055
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:53,601
>> And there won't I'm sorry. I

3056
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:00,100
mean, because the dog barks.

3057
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:01,100
Is the town not going

3058
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:02,100
to get involved? The dog's

3059
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:04,100
barking. You talk to the

3060
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:06,100
condominium owner and they say,

3061
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:07,100
oh, my dog's not barking. Who

3062
01:36:07,100 --> 01:36:09,100
do you call? You put the claim

3063
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:11,100
into animal control. They come

3064
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,100
out and the town is involved.

3065
01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:15,100
And it seems to me the other

3066
01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:16,100
aspect I'll ask the condominium

3067
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:18,100
law, does it have the warranty

3068
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:19,100
of 10 years to I mean,

3069
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:22,100
I would I can't imagine it,

3070
01:36:22,100 --> 01:36:24,100
but it may.

3071
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,100
>> Well, what I will point out

3072
01:36:28,100 --> 01:36:30,100
as far as all the condominium,

3073
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:31,100
the sales, the reality is,

3074
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:32,100
and what we've seen

3075
01:36:32,100 --> 01:36:33,100
in the HOAs,

3076
01:36:33,100 --> 01:36:35,100
not every HOA is the same,

3077
01:36:35,100 --> 01:36:37,100
right? There is an agreement

3078
01:36:37,100 --> 01:36:38,100
between, and I think Mr.

3079
01:36:38,100 --> 01:36:40,100
Streeter mentioned it,

3080
01:36:40,100 --> 01:36:42,100
between the parties So the

3081
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:43,100
reality, if you're buying the

3082
01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:45,100
condo, you're also looking

3083
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:46,100
at the HOA and saying,

3084
01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:47,100
are these beneficial to me? Is

3085
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:49,100
there a mediation process? Is

3086
01:36:49,100 --> 01:36:51,100
there a dispute resolution

3087
01:36:51,100 --> 01:36:53,100
process? What are my rights? I

3088
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:56,100
think that that's kind of the

3089
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:57,100
thought that as you're a

3090
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:59,100
purchaser, you're reading what

3091
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:01,100
you're agreeing to.

3092
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:04,100
>> Again, the owner is the

3093
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:07,100
author of that. And if you

3094
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:09,100
don't like it,

3095
01:37:09,100 --> 01:37:10,100
you don't buy it? We don't buy

3096
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:14,100
it. I said enough. I think I

3097
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:16,100
know, and I'm sorry

3098
01:37:16,100 --> 01:37:19,100
for where I'm at because

3099
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:21,100
>> Well, I think it's I mean,

3100
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:24,601
I appreciate that we are trying

3101
01:37:25,100 --> 01:37:27,100
to get new owners out

3102
01:37:27,100 --> 01:37:29,100
of this draft. Building

3103
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:31,401
generational wealth is what

3104
01:37:32,100 --> 01:37:34,100
we're trying to do here. And

3105
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:37,100
it's unfortunate that an HOA

3106
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:40,100
issue may be what doesn't help

3107
01:37:40,100 --> 01:37:41,100
this pass. It's unfortunate.

3108
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:43,100
And I hope that everyone in the

3109
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:44,100
audience who supports this or

3110
01:37:44,100 --> 01:37:46,100
on the council,

3111
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:51,100
that we continue to try

3112
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:53,100
to find ways

3113
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:55,100
to build smaller units, homes

3114
01:37:55,100 --> 01:37:57,100
Sweat equity, what happened

3115
01:37:57,100 --> 01:38:00,601
to that? So many things have

3116
01:38:01,100 --> 01:38:02,100
disappeared that got people

3117
01:38:02,100 --> 01:38:04,100
into their first homes.

3118
01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:06,100
They're disappearing. And rents

3119
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:07,100
are ridiculous. And I don't

3120
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:09,100
know how to get back

3121
01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:11,100
to where we were. So, when I

3122
01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:12,100
first heard this project,

3123
01:38:12,100 --> 01:38:14,100
I freaked out cause I'm like,

3124
01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:16,100
oh my God, everyone's gonna

3125
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:17,100
build an ADU now. But then I

3126
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:20,100
learned it was a 5-year prior.

3127
01:38:20,100 --> 01:38:23,601
We have 40 ADUs. It's not so

3128
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:28,100
bad, you know, I

3129
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:30,100
like the sunset. I don't

3130
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:32,100
like the parking. I'm worried

3131
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:35,100
about that HOA. That's again,

3132
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:37,100
yeah, you're right,

3133
01:38:37,100 --> 01:38:38,100
it might come to the town.

3134
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:40,100
But, so I'll, I am the last

3135
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:42,100
vote, so I will

3136
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
I'm still not I'm kind of

3137
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:45,100
in the middle right now.

3138
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:46,100
but we do have San Jose. I did

3139
01:38:46,100 --> 01:38:48,100
read the article

3140
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:50,100
about the first one that sold

3141
01:38:50,100 --> 01:38:51,100
out there. Very exciting

3142
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:52,100
for the homeowner, but I think

3143
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,100
we will learn a lot as this

3144
01:38:53,100 --> 01:38:54,100
thing moves forward,

3145
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:56,100
and it's going

3146
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:57,100
to be interesting to see what

3147
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:58,100
the government does as they

3148
01:38:58,100 --> 01:38:59,100
start hearing stories

3149
01:38:59,100 --> 01:39:00,100
of what's coming out,

3150
01:39:00,100 --> 01:39:02,100
whether it's positive or

3151
01:39:02,100 --> 01:39:03,100
negative,

3152
01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:04,100
and if they'll change anything

3153
01:39:04,100 --> 01:39:07,601
in the, in the laws for,

3154
01:39:08,100 --> 01:39:11,100
for this ordinance. Okay, so,

3155
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:13,100
anyone else want

3156
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:15,100
to add anything,

3157
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:16,100
or should we should I ask

3158
01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,100
for a motion?

3159
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,100
Do we have another item we

3160
01:39:21,100 --> 01:39:22,100
have to review? Okay, there was

3161
01:39:22,100 --> 01:39:23,100
the amendment Exhibit L also,

3162
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:24,100
but I think that was pretty

3163
01:39:24,100 --> 01:39:26,100
clear, just language. So,

3164
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:28,401
again, there's an ordinance

3165
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:32,100
title, but it sounds like the

3166
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:35,100
only one we're really deciding

3167
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:38,100
on is the ADU portion

3168
01:39:38,100 --> 01:39:41,100
of this. So, I don't know if

3169
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,100
someone makes a motion,

3170
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:45,100
how would they Distinguish what

3171
01:39:46,100 --> 01:39:47,100
part they are in favor

3172
01:39:47,100 --> 01:39:49,100
of or not in favor of.

3173
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:50,100
>> Okay, so what staff is

3174
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:52,100
asking is that it would be the

3175
01:39:52,100 --> 01:39:54,100
ordinance title and then as

3176
01:39:54,100 --> 01:39:57,100
amended by revised Exhibit L.

3177
01:40:00,100 --> 01:40:02,100
And then what I have heard

3178
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:03,100
is that you,

3179
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:05,100
some council members want

3180
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:08,100
to remove Section 17.8.2 So it

3181
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:15,100
would be up

3182
01:40:18,100 --> 01:40:20,100
to whoever makes the motion to

3183
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,100
either read the title as

3184
01:40:23,100 --> 01:40:24,100
amended to make that clerical

3185
01:40:24,100 --> 01:40:26,100
correction and make that motion

3186
01:40:26,100 --> 01:40:27,100
if they wanted

3187
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:29,100
to include the ADU,

3188
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:30,100
or if they wanted to exclude

3189
01:40:30,100 --> 01:40:31,100
the separate transference

3190
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:33,100
of ADUs,

3191
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:34,100
add that additional bit that

3192
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:36,401
Ms. Jordan just read.

3193
01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:39,100
Which is remove that

3194
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:41,100
section.

3195
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:43,100
>> Let me ask a question.

3196
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:44,100
>> Yeah.

3197
01:40:44,100 --> 01:40:45,100
>> We can always do the ADU

3198
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:47,100
part later, right?

3199
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:49,100
>> Just, I mean, as a point

3200
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:50,100
of clarification,

3201
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:51,100
as I said towards the

3202
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:53,100
beginning,

3203
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:55,100
each time that we come

3204
01:40:55,100 --> 01:40:57,100
to the council

3205
01:40:57,100 --> 01:40:59,100
with an ADU amendment, we

3206
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:00,100
always bring this forward.

3207
01:41:00,100 --> 01:41:01,100
>> This time we actually

3208
01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:02,100
brought a draft ordinance The

3209
01:41:02,100 --> 01:41:05,100
only thing I've heard that we

3210
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:06,100
are having a problem with is

3211
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:08,100
the homeowner's association.

3212
01:41:13,100 --> 01:41:14,100
Is there something else I'm

3213
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:15,100
missing?

3214
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:16,100
>> Parking.

3215
01:41:16,100 --> 01:41:18,100
>> Well, parking is going

3216
01:41:18,100 --> 01:41:21,100
to be there. If you'll pardon

3217
01:41:21,100 --> 01:41:23,100
my commenting on that, Mayor,

3218
01:41:23,100 --> 01:41:25,100
the parking is going to be

3219
01:41:25,100 --> 01:41:26,100
there no matter who's occupying

3220
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:27,100
it.

3221
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:29,100
>> I think that's correct.

3222
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:30,100
>> I kind of disagree. I think

3223
01:41:30,100 --> 01:41:33,100
what I'm seeing is the

3224
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:34,100
worst-case scenario,

3225
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:35,100
and that's kind

3226
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:36,100
of what we have to look at.

3227
01:41:36,100 --> 01:41:37,100
Worst-case scenario is the

3228
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:38,100
primary house sells. We have

3229
01:41:38,100 --> 01:41:40,100
new people

3230
01:41:40,100 --> 01:41:41,100
in the primary house,

3231
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:43,100
we have unknown people

3232
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:44,100
in the ADU,

3233
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:45,100
and we have problems

3234
01:41:45,100 --> 01:41:47,100
between them.

3235
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:50,100
>> And then to say that town

3236
01:41:50,100 --> 01:41:52,100
won't be involved,

3237
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:54,100
the town will be involved,

3238
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:56,100
just like we, we are involved

3239
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:58,100
in neighbors, except neighbors

3240
01:41:58,100 --> 01:41:59,100
have fences and neighbors have

3241
01:41:59,100 --> 01:42:01,100
much more control

3242
01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:05,100
over their property.

3243
01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:06,100
>> And so this would be a

3244
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:07,100
reason to prevent someone

3245
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:08,100
from selling a piece of their

3246
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:09,100
property because they might

3247
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:10,100
have problems

3248
01:42:10,100 --> 01:42:12,100
in the future?

3249
01:42:12,100 --> 01:42:14,100
>> It would to me.

3250
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:16,100
I think the ADUs for me

3251
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:18,100
were made as auxiliary dwelling

3252
01:42:18,100 --> 01:42:19,100
units and really were made

3253
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:22,100
in terms of so families could

3254
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:25,601
either have a rental or they

3255
01:42:26,100 --> 01:42:28,100
could have family members stay.

3256
01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:29,100
They could have their children

3257
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:31,100
have a place. They could have

3258
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:32,100
all those things that we're

3259
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:34,100
talking about

3260
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:35,100
in the condominium happen

3261
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:37,100
in the ADUs. But the

3262
01:42:37,100 --> 01:42:40,100
condominium is no longer an ADU

3263
01:42:40,100 --> 01:42:42,100
in my estimation,

3264
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:44,100
even though we're treating them

3265
01:42:44,100 --> 01:42:46,100
like ADUs,

3266
01:42:46,100 --> 01:42:47,100
and that's the problem.

3267
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:48,100
They're not.

3268
01:42:48,100 --> 01:42:49,100
>> And then when you rent an

3269
01:42:49,100 --> 01:42:50,100
ADU, you know how many people

3270
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:52,100
are living there and how many

3271
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:55,100
cars they, they have. It's part

3272
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:56,100
of the rental lease agreement.

3273
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:57,100
But once you sell it, I don't

3274
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:59,100
think you can control how many

3275
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:00,100
people live in the condo and

3276
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:02,100
how many cars they can have.

3277
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:03,100
>> Through the HOA.

3278
01:43:03,100 --> 01:43:05,100
>> Well, yeah.

3279
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:08,601
>> That you each have a vote.

3280
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:11,100
>> So, I'm trying to find some

3281
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:12,100
direction on what you'd

3282
01:43:12,100 --> 01:43:14,401
like as a motion.

3283
01:43:16,100 --> 01:43:17,100
>> Could we please, Ms.

3284
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,100
Jordan, have the 17.8

3285
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:24,100
>> It's 17.82.090, ADU

3286
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:29,100
condominium.

3287
01:43:29,100 --> 01:43:31,100
>> Okay.

3288
01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:33,100
>> And then the one that we're

3289
01:43:33,100 --> 01:43:36,100
asking to have amended Is

3290
01:43:36,100 --> 01:43:38,100
revised exhibit L.

3291
01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:51,100
>> So, is anyone interested in

3292
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:54,100
making a motion? I'll try.

3293
01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:56,100
>> We'll see. Okay. So, I'd

3294
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:59,601
like to make a motion to.

3295
01:44:02,100 --> 01:44:03,100
>> It would be

3296
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:04,100
in the agenda.

3297
01:44:04,100 --> 01:44:05,100
>> Sorry, it's

3298
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:06,100
to introduce and hold

3299
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:07,100
by first reading by title only

3300
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:08,100
an ordinance adopting

3301
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:10,100
amendments to the Town of

3302
01:44:10,100 --> 01:44:11,100
Windsor Zoning Code, Title 17

3303
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:14,100
of the Municipal Code, to

3304
01:44:14,100 --> 01:44:16,100
implement housing element

3305
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:19,100
programs and to comply

3306
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:20,100
with state housing law.

3307
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:21,100
Revised Exhibit L as amended,

3308
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:23,100
removing Section 17.82.090,

3309
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:31,100
which is the ADU. Condominium

3310
01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:37,401
Is there a second?

3311
01:44:38,100 --> 01:44:39,100
>> I'll provide a second. Roll

3312
01:44:39,100 --> 01:44:41,100
call vote, please.

3313
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,100
>> [CALLING ROLL]

3314
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:58,100
>> Thank you.

3315
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,100
>> Thank you, everybody.

3316
01:44:59,100 --> 01:45:00,100
>> Thank you. I'm sorry.

3317
01:45:00,100 --> 01:45:02,100
>> Very healthy discussion.

3318
01:45:02,100 --> 01:45:03,100
>> And we can bring

3319
01:45:03,100 --> 01:45:05,100
>> No need to apologize. Yes,

3320
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:06,100
we can bring it back. It was a

3321
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:08,100
healthy, healthy discussion.

3322
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:10,100
Thank you so much, everybody.

3323
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:12,100
Item 14.1, our regular

3324
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:15,100
calendar, the resolution

3325
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:17,100
approving a 1% transient

3326
01:45:17,100 --> 01:45:18,100
transaction and use tax

3327
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:20,100
ordinance.

3328
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,100
>> Okay, good evening, Mayor

3329
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:46,100
and council members. Lauren

3330
01:45:46,100 --> 01:45:48,100
Burgess, Senior Management

3331
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:49,100
Analyst. Tonight, I'm

3332
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:50,100
presenting the final package

3333
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:52,100
for the proposed 2026

3334
01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:53,100
Transactions and Use Tax

3335
01:45:53,100 --> 01:45:55,100
Measure, also known as the

3336
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:56,100
sales tax. This presentation

3337
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:58,401
summarizes the fiscal context,

3338
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:00,100
the measure structure,

3339
01:46:00,100 --> 01:46:02,100
accountability provisions,

3340
01:46:03,100 --> 01:46:04,100
and the actions

3341
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:06,401
before you this evening.

3342
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:10,100
Tonight's item asks the council

3343
01:46:10,100 --> 01:46:11,100
to take several formal steps

3344
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:12,100
required to place a measure

3345
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:13,100
on the November ballot. These

3346
01:46:13,100 --> 01:46:15,100
include presenting the final

3347
01:46:15,100 --> 01:46:16,100
ballot measure package,

3348
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:17,100
requesting council approval to

3349
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:18,100
submit a 1% transaction and use

3350
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:20,100
tax to voters,

3351
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:22,100
approving the ballot question,

3352
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:23,100
directing the town attorney to

3353
01:46:23,100 --> 01:46:24,100
prepare the impartial analysis,

3354
01:46:24,100 --> 01:46:26,100
providing for ballot arguments

3355
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:28,100
and rebuttals, and introduce

3356
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:29,100
and introducing the ordinance

3357
01:46:29,100 --> 01:46:31,100
that would establish the tax

3358
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:33,100
pending voter approval.

3359
01:46:37,100 --> 01:46:38,100
Windsor has maintained strong

3360
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:39,100
service levels for decades, but

3361
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:40,100
our long-term fiscal challenges

3362
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:41,100
have intensified. Costs

3363
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:42,100
for public safety, maintenance,

3364
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:43,100
and operations are now

3365
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:44,100
outpacing our revenues. In the

3366
01:46:44,100 --> 01:46:46,401
fiscal year 25-27 budget,

3367
01:46:47,100 --> 01:46:50,100
the town had to implement $6

3368
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:52,100
million in reductions. The most

3369
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:53,100
significant impact was the

3370
01:46:53,100 --> 01:46:55,100
reduction of the 3 police

3371
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:56,100
officer positions. We also

3372
01:46:56,100 --> 01:46:58,100
deferred $5 million

3373
01:46:59,100 --> 01:47:00,100
in maintenance and relied on

3374
01:47:00,100 --> 01:47:01,100
$8 million

3375
01:47:01,100 --> 01:47:02,100
in one-time reserves just

3376
01:47:02,100 --> 01:47:04,100
to maintain service levels.

3377
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:06,100
And unlike many cities,

3378
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:07,100
Windsor has no locally

3379
01:47:07,100 --> 01:47:09,100
controlled sales tax. We only

3380
01:47:09,100 --> 01:47:10,100
receive the Bradley Burns

3381
01:47:10,100 --> 01:47:11,100
share. This limits our ability

3382
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:13,401
to sustain essential services

3383
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:17,100
moving forward. A 1%

3384
01:47:17,100 --> 01:47:18,100
transaction and use tax meets

3385
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:19,100
Windsor's revenue needs

3386
01:47:19,100 --> 01:47:20,100
at a majority vote threshold.

3387
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:21,100
Without new revenue,

3388
01:47:21,100 --> 01:47:23,100
we face a projected $4 to $5

3389
01:47:23,100 --> 01:47:24,100
million annual deficit

3390
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:26,100
beginning in fiscal year,

3391
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:27,100
with reserves exhausted by

3392
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:29,100
2029. That trajectory would

3393
01:47:29,100 --> 01:47:31,100
mean fewer police officers,

3394
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:33,100
slower response times,

3395
01:47:33,100 --> 01:47:34,100
deteriorating roads,

3396
01:47:34,100 --> 01:47:36,100
potential park closures,

3397
01:47:36,100 --> 01:47:38,100
and reductions to youth,

3398
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:39,100
senior,

3399
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:41,100
and community programs.

3400
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:42,100
With the measure, Windsor would

3401
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:43,100
generate approximately $5.7

3402
01:47:43,100 --> 01:47:45,100
million annually in new locally

3403
01:47:45,100 --> 01:47:46,100
controlled revenue funding

3404
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:48,401
police and emergency response,

3405
01:47:49,100 --> 01:47:50,100
street infrastructure

3406
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:51,100
maintenance, And parks and

3407
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:53,100
community service. From

3408
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,100
December 2025 through, really

3409
01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:03,100
present, our community

3410
01:48:04,100 --> 01:48:05,100
engagement has consistently

3411
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:06,100
emphasized, the themes of

3412
01:48:06,100 --> 01:48:08,100
protecting essential services

3413
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:10,100
and to ensure strong visible

3414
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:11,100
accountability. Residents made

3415
01:48:11,100 --> 01:48:13,401
it clear that trust

3416
01:48:15,100 --> 01:48:16,100
in any revenue measure,

3417
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:17,100
depends on how transparently

3418
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:18,100
the town manages its public

3419
01:48:18,100 --> 01:48:20,100
funds. In response,

3420
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:21,100
the council and staff went

3421
01:48:21,100 --> 01:48:23,100
beyond what is legally required

3422
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:25,100
for a general tax. Independent

3423
01:48:25,100 --> 01:48:27,100
annual audits and citizens

3424
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:28,100
oversight commission are not

3425
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:30,100
mandated under state law. They

3426
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:32,100
were added because the council

3427
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:34,100
believes accountability must be

3428
01:48:34,100 --> 01:48:35,100
built into the measure

3429
01:48:35,100 --> 01:48:38,100
from day one. The oversight

3430
01:48:38,100 --> 01:48:39,100
commission will review

3431
01:48:39,100 --> 01:48:40,100
revenues, expenditures, and

3432
01:48:40,100 --> 01:48:41,100
project progress and will

3433
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:43,100
report publicly to ensure funds

3434
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:44,100
remain 100% locally controlled

3435
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:45,100
and used responsibly. In

3436
01:48:45,100 --> 01:48:47,100
June, the council also adopted

3437
01:48:47,100 --> 01:48:49,100
account the accountability a

3438
01:48:49,100 --> 01:48:50,100
broader, excuse me,

3439
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:52,100
accountability framework

3440
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:53,100
policy, which includes public

3441
01:48:53,100 --> 01:48:54,100
reporting and updates on how

3442
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:56,100
revenues support core services.

3443
01:48:56,100 --> 01:48:57,100
This framework reflects the

3444
01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:59,100
council's longstanding

3445
01:48:59,100 --> 01:49:00,100
commitment to transparency,

3446
01:49:00,100 --> 01:49:02,100
fiscal stewardship, and

3447
01:49:02,100 --> 01:49:04,100
maintaining the community's

3448
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:07,100
trust. The ordinance before you

3449
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:11,100
tonight establish the 1%

3450
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:12,100
transactions and use tax and

3451
01:49:12,100 --> 01:49:13,100
outlines key provisions. It

3452
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:14,100
defines the operative date

3453
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:15,100
beginning the first day

3454
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:17,100
of the quarter of more than

3455
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:19,100
110 days

3456
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:20,100
after voter approval. It

3457
01:49:20,100 --> 01:49:21,100
specifies the place

3458
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:23,100
of sale and tax rate,

3459
01:49:23,100 --> 01:49:24,100
adopts relevant state law

3460
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:25,100
provisions, and includes

3461
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:26,100
exemptions and exclusions. And

3462
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:28,100
to be clear, these exemptions

3463
01:49:28,100 --> 01:49:29,100
follow statewide rules and

3464
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:30,100
ensure the tax does not apply

3465
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:32,100
to essential essentials such as

3466
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:33,100
groceries or prescription

3467
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:35,100
medications. These protections

3468
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:37,100
are built into California law

3469
01:49:37,100 --> 01:49:38,100
and remain unchanged

3470
01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:40,100
Under this measure, as

3471
01:49:40,100 --> 01:49:42,100
mentioned,

3472
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:43,100
it also establishes the

3473
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:44,100
Citizens Oversight Committee or

3474
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:45,100
excuse me commission and

3475
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:46,100
requires annual independent

3476
01:49:46,100 --> 01:49:48,100
audits. If approved,

3477
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:50,100
the local sales tax remains

3478
01:49:50,100 --> 01:49:51,100
in effect until ended

3479
01:49:51,100 --> 01:49:54,601
by voters. This is the proposed

3480
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:56,100
ballot question. It clearly

3481
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:57,100
communicates the purpose of the

3482
01:49:57,100 --> 01:49:59,100
measure: maintaining essential

3483
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:00,100
local services such as street

3484
01:50:00,100 --> 01:50:02,100
repair, neighborhood police

3485
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:03,100
patrols, emergency response.

3486
01:50:03,100 --> 01:50:04,100
Parks and community events,

3487
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:05,100
and disaster preparedness. It

3488
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:07,100
also states the tax rate,

3489
01:50:07,100 --> 01:50:08,100
the estimated annual revenue

3490
01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:10,100
of $5.7 million, and the

3491
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:12,100
accountability requirements:

3492
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:14,100
independent audits, citizens

3493
01:50:14,100 --> 01:50:15,100
oversight, and local control

3494
01:50:15,100 --> 01:50:18,601
of all funds. Here is the

3495
01:50:23,100 --> 01:50:25,100
implementation timeline.

3496
01:50:25,100 --> 01:50:26,100
Following council action

3497
01:50:26,100 --> 01:50:27,100
tonight, ballot materials will

3498
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:29,100
be submitted to the Registrar

3499
01:50:29,100 --> 01:50:30,100
of Voters, and the town

3500
01:50:30,100 --> 01:50:31,100
attorney will prepare the.

3501
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:33,100
Personal analysis. And under

3502
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:34,100
Elections Code, the council is

3503
01:50:34,100 --> 01:50:35,100
authorized

3504
01:50:35,100 --> 01:50:37,100
to designate one or more

3505
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:38,100
of its members

3506
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:40,100
to prepare the argument

3507
01:50:40,100 --> 01:50:41,100
in favor of the measure. That

3508
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:42,100
designation will occur during

3509
01:50:42,100 --> 01:50:44,100
this period so the assigned

3510
01:50:44,100 --> 01:50:45,100
council member can prepare this

3511
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:46,100
and submit the argument

3512
01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:48,100
by the statutory deadline. The

3513
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:49,100
argument filing period opens

3514
01:50:49,100 --> 01:50:50,100
and closes per Elections

3515
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:52,100
Code,

3516
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:54,100
with direct arguments due

3517
01:50:54,100 --> 01:50:55,100
August 14th and rebuttals due

3518
01:50:55,100 --> 01:50:57,100
August 21st. The county will

3519
01:50:57,100 --> 01:50:58,100
administer the consolidated

3520
01:50:58,100 --> 01:51:00,100
election On November 3rd,

3521
01:51:00,100 --> 01:51:02,100
2026. Staff recommends that the

3522
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:04,100
council adopt the resolution

3523
01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:05,100
ordering the measure

3524
01:51:05,100 --> 01:51:06,100
to be submitted to the voters

3525
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:08,100
at the November 3rd, 2026

3526
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:09,100
general municipal election,

3527
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:10,100
direct the town attorney to

3528
01:51:10,100 --> 01:51:12,100
prepare the impartial analysis,

3529
01:51:12,100 --> 01:51:13,100
authorize the preparation of

3530
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:14,100
valid arguments and rebuttals,

3531
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:15,100
and introduce the ordinance

3532
01:51:15,100 --> 01:51:17,100
establishing the 1%

3533
01:51:17,100 --> 01:51:18,100
transactions and use tax

3534
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:20,100
to be administered by the

3535
01:51:20,100 --> 01:51:21,100
California Department of Tax

3536
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:22,100
and fee administration subject

3537
01:51:22,100 --> 01:51:24,100
to majority voter approval.

3538
01:51:24,100 --> 01:51:25,100
And this concludes the

3539
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:27,401
presentation. I'm happy to

3540
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:33,100
answer any questions and take

3541
01:51:33,100 --> 01:51:34,100
any comments or provide any

3542
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:35,100
further detail. Prior

3543
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:37,100
to taking any action,

3544
01:51:37,100 --> 01:51:38,100
I just want to be clear that we

3545
01:51:38,100 --> 01:51:40,100
should designate a council

3546
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:42,100
member or members

3547
01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:43,100
to prepare the argument

3548
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:45,100
in favor of.

3549
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:48,100
>> Thank you very much.

3550
01:51:48,100 --> 01:51:49,100
At this time, we're going

3551
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:51,100
to start with questions,

3552
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:52,100
and then I'll open up

3553
01:51:52,100 --> 01:51:54,100
to the public,

3554
01:51:54,100 --> 01:51:55,100
and then we'll come back

3555
01:51:55,100 --> 01:51:56,100
for discussion. So, any

3556
01:51:56,100 --> 01:51:57,100
questions from the council

3557
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:59,401
to staff? No questions?

3558
01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:05,401
Councilmember Wall? I'll go

3559
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:08,100
ahead and open it up.

3560
01:52:08,100 --> 01:52:09,100
>> No questions, but I'll have

3561
01:52:09,100 --> 01:52:10,100
some comments when we get

3562
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:11,100
to that point.

3563
01:52:11,100 --> 01:52:12,100
>> Okay, perfect. So, I'll go

3564
01:52:12,100 --> 01:52:14,100
ahead and open up

3565
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:15,100
to the public. Any members

3566
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:16,100
of the public wishing

3567
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:17,100
to speak,

3568
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:18,100
make a comment regarding this

3569
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:20,100
item, approach the podium. You

3570
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:22,100
have 3 minutes. State your name

3571
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:23,100
if you'd wish. Thank you.

3572
01:52:23,100 --> 01:52:25,100
Please approach. Yes.

3573
01:52:28,100 --> 01:52:30,401
>> Oops, sorry, it's loose.

3574
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:35,401
Good evening, Council and

3575
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:37,100
staff. I'm John Laba. I live

3576
01:52:37,100 --> 01:52:38,100
with my wife and family here

3577
01:52:38,100 --> 01:52:39,100
in Windsor. I have written you,

3578
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:40,100
given comments,

3579
01:52:40,100 --> 01:52:42,100
and attended many community

3580
01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:44,100
meetings, a couple workshops,

3581
01:52:44,100 --> 01:52:45,100
and several presentations

3582
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:46,100
about our fiscal situation,

3583
01:52:46,100 --> 01:52:47,100
the proposal

3584
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:48,100
for a 1% sales tax increase.

3585
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:50,100
Tonight, I speak as chair of a

3586
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:52,100
new general-purpose committee

3587
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:53,100
we have formed in Windsor

3588
01:52:53,100 --> 01:52:54,100
to engage in issue advocacy for

3589
01:52:54,100 --> 01:52:55,100
fiscal and governmental reform.

3590
01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:56,100
Our group is called Concerned

3591
01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:57,100
Windsor Citizens. We come

3592
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:59,100
from all over the political

3593
01:52:59,100 --> 01:53:00,100
spectrum and all walks

3594
01:53:00,100 --> 01:53:01,100
of life, people who live here

3595
01:53:01,100 --> 01:53:02,100
and care deeply what happens

3596
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:04,100
here

3597
01:53:04,100 --> 01:53:05,100
in this council chamber and

3598
01:53:05,100 --> 01:53:07,100
here in the town we all love.

3599
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:08,100
We are concerned

3600
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:09,100
about the direction of town

3601
01:53:09,100 --> 01:53:11,100
government and our leaders who

3602
01:53:11,100 --> 01:53:12,100
have known

3603
01:53:12,100 --> 01:53:13,100
about our structural deficit

3604
01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:15,100
since at least 2021.

3605
01:53:15,100 --> 01:53:17,100
For years, the town continued

3606
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:18,100
to increase salaries and

3607
01:53:18,100 --> 01:53:20,100
benefits, add positions,

3608
01:53:20,100 --> 01:53:21,100
promote staff,

3609
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:22,100
and increase spending

3610
01:53:22,100 --> 01:53:24,100
with little discussion of

3611
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:26,100
affordability or financial

3612
01:53:26,100 --> 01:53:27,100
offsets how to pay

3613
01:53:27,100 --> 01:53:29,100
for it all. The recent hiring

3614
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:30,100
freeze and work deferral does

3615
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:32,100
nothing

3616
01:53:32,100 --> 01:53:33,100
to unwind prior increases,

3617
01:53:33,100 --> 01:53:34,100
which also compound pension

3618
01:53:34,100 --> 01:53:36,100
liabilities. You heard our

3619
01:53:36,100 --> 01:53:37,100
testimonies for months.

3620
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:38,100
Several of our members,

3621
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100
in fact, have raised concerns

3622
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:41,100
for years. All

3623
01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:42,100
of us have continued to engage

3624
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:44,100
in dialogue throughout the

3625
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:46,100
process. After consideration,

3626
01:53:46,100 --> 01:53:47,100
we oppose a 1% forever sales

3627
01:53:47,100 --> 01:53:48,100
tax. The proposal

3628
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:50,100
before you has never changed.

3629
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:51,100
No compromise at all since we

3630
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:53,401
started. 1% forever sales tax.

3631
01:53:54,100 --> 01:53:55,100
Other options were reviewed,

3632
01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:56,100
but they were always presented

3633
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,100
as strawman arguments,

3634
01:53:57,100 --> 01:53:59,100
immediately discounted rather

3635
01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:00,100
than put into basket, a basket

3636
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:03,100
of reforms. This item won't

3637
01:54:03,100 --> 01:54:05,100
generate enough

3638
01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:06,100
to cover our full deficit, but

3639
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:07,100
complex problems are rarely

3640
01:54:07,100 --> 01:54:08,100
resolved

3641
01:54:08,100 --> 01:54:10,100
with one simple solution,

3642
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:11,100
and we don't think this is

3643
01:54:11,100 --> 01:54:12,100
going to pass. And your own

3644
01:54:12,100 --> 01:54:13,100
data said it wouldn't. We have

3645
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:14,100
not seen a good faith effort,

3646
01:54:14,100 --> 01:54:15,100
which would look

3647
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:17,401
like compromise: some limits,

3648
01:54:19,100 --> 01:54:21,401
sunset to this tax.

3649
01:54:22,100 --> 01:54:23,100
Like I said, a basket

3650
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:24,100
of reforms. One thing concerned

3651
01:54:24,100 --> 01:54:25,100
Windsor citizens all agreed on

3652
01:54:25,100 --> 01:54:26,100
was this: we can never support.

3653
01:54:26,100 --> 01:54:27,100
Support a tax with no sunset

3654
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:29,100
and no regular review

3655
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:30,100
by voters. In fact,

3656
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:31,100
the ordinance before you

3657
01:54:31,100 --> 01:54:32,100
on page 7 says specifically

3658
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:35,100
in Section 26230 that the tax

3659
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:36,100
may be amended by the City

3660
01:54:36,100 --> 01:54:37,100
Council without a vote

3661
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:39,100
of the people. What? Our group

3662
01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:40,100
is active and experienced.

3663
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:42,100
Collectively, we have worked as

3664
01:54:42,100 --> 01:54:43,100
volunteers, organizers,

3665
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:44,100
consultants, managers,

3666
01:54:44,100 --> 01:54:45,100
and sometimes as a candidate

3667
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:46,100
for at least 2 dozen campaigns

3668
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:48,100
over 50 years. We will be

3669
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:49,100
working

3670
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:50,100
on this issue and other issues

3671
01:54:50,100 --> 01:54:52,100
like the coming council mayor

3672
01:54:52,100 --> 01:54:54,100
races and beyond. We can be

3673
01:54:54,100 --> 01:54:55,100
reached at the following email

3674
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:56,100
address:

3675
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:59,100
concerned.windsor.ca@gmail.com.

3676
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:01,100
Again,

3677
01:55:01,100 --> 01:55:04,100
concerned.windsor.ca@gmail.com.

3678
01:55:04,100 --> 01:55:06,100
We concerned Windsor citizens

3679
01:55:06,100 --> 01:55:07,100
are here to stay and will

3680
01:55:07,100 --> 01:55:08,100
remain active regardless

3681
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:10,100
of election results. We ask you

3682
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:11,100
to limit this tax proposal

3683
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:12,100
to a term of no more than 5

3684
01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:14,100
years. Thank you.

3685
01:55:18,100 --> 01:55:19,100
>> Anybody else

3686
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:22,100
from the public? If you don't

3687
01:55:22,100 --> 01:55:23,100
mind, you'd please line up. We

3688
01:55:23,100 --> 01:55:27,100
can move a little faster if you

3689
01:55:27,100 --> 01:55:31,100
line up, or we can stay here

3690
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:33,100
till 11.

3691
01:55:33,100 --> 01:55:34,100
>> Take numbers next time.

3692
01:55:34,100 --> 01:55:36,100
>> Okay, if no one approaches

3693
01:55:36,100 --> 01:55:37,100
the podium,

3694
01:55:37,100 --> 01:55:39,000
I'm going to close public comment.

3695
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,100
>> Oh, there you go.

3696
01:55:40,100 --> 01:55:41,100
>> Council members, staff. My

3697
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:44,601
name is John Broughton. My wife

3698
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,000
and I have been Windsor

3699
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:52,401
residents since 2012. The group

3700
01:55:53,100 --> 01:55:55,100
that I am now part of,

3701
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:56,100
Windsor Concerned Windsor

3702
01:55:56,100 --> 01:55:57,100
Citizens, first met in

3703
01:55:57,100 --> 01:55:58,100
December of last year. We were

3704
01:55:58,100 --> 01:55:59,100
not happy with how the town

3705
01:55:59,100 --> 01:56:02,100
council and town staff were

3706
01:56:02,100 --> 01:56:03,100
managing the town's fiscal

3707
01:56:03,100 --> 01:56:05,100
affairs. We have concluded that

3708
01:56:05,100 --> 01:56:06,100
the current town council has

3709
01:56:06,100 --> 01:56:07,100
completely failed its fiscal

3710
01:56:07,100 --> 01:56:08,100
responsibilities.

3711
01:56:08,100 --> 01:56:11,100
Until last year, there was no

3712
01:56:11,100 --> 01:56:13,100
indication that members of the

3713
01:56:13,100 --> 01:56:15,100
town council took seriously A

3714
01:56:15,100 --> 01:56:17,100
consultant's report issued in

3715
01:56:17,100 --> 01:56:19,401
2021, 5 years ago, that the

3716
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:22,100
town faced a fiscal structural

3717
01:56:22,100 --> 01:56:23,100
deficit, that the town needed

3718
01:56:23,100 --> 01:56:25,100
to act to increase revenues and

3719
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:27,401
decrease costs. Instead, the

3720
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:33,100
council sat on its hands for 4

3721
01:56:33,100 --> 01:56:34,100
years as additional staff

3722
01:56:34,100 --> 01:56:36,100
positions were created and

3723
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:37,100
filled. Staff positions were

3724
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:38,100
reclassified upwards. Annual

3725
01:56:38,100 --> 01:56:41,100
salary step increases for staff

3726
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:43,100
were essentially treated as

3727
01:56:43,100 --> 01:56:46,100
automatic. And nothing was done

3728
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:47,100
about the excessive number

3729
01:56:47,100 --> 01:56:48,100
of supervisory positions

3730
01:56:48,100 --> 01:56:51,601
within the town staff. And as

3731
01:56:53,100 --> 01:56:55,100
the town slid toward the

3732
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:56,100
current fiscal crisis, the

3733
01:56:56,100 --> 01:56:57,100
council annually gave a bonus

3734
01:56:57,100 --> 01:56:58,100
to the current town manager.

3735
01:56:58,100 --> 01:56:59,100
In addition to neglecting

3736
01:56:59,100 --> 01:57:01,100
long-term fundamental problems,

3737
01:57:03,100 --> 01:57:04,100
particularly excessive

3738
01:57:04,100 --> 01:57:06,100
personnel costs,

3739
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:08,100
the current town council seems

3740
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:10,100
to have had little or no focus

3741
01:57:10,100 --> 01:57:11,100
on the question of why the

3742
01:57:11,100 --> 01:57:12,100
town's general fund balance

3743
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:13,100
swung from an increase of

3744
01:57:13,100 --> 01:57:15,100
about $400,000

3745
01:57:19,100 --> 01:57:20,100
for the fiscal year ending

3746
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:21,100
June 30th, 2024, to a decrease

3747
01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:23,100
of about $2.7 million

3748
01:57:23,100 --> 01:57:24,100
for the year ending June 30th,

3749
01:57:24,100 --> 01:57:25,100
2025. That's a shift of about

3750
01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:26,100
$3 million in a single year,

3751
01:57:26,100 --> 01:57:27,100
which is more than 10%

3752
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:29,100
of the budget. What changed?

3753
01:57:29,100 --> 01:57:30,100
And as importantly, when should

3754
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:31,100
the council have started

3755
01:57:31,100 --> 01:57:32,100
dealing with the change? The 2

3756
01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:34,100
largest changes were an

3757
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:35,100
increase of $2.2 million

3758
01:57:35,100 --> 01:57:36,100
for police services, a 27%

3759
01:57:36,100 --> 01:57:39,100
jump, and a $1 million increase

3760
01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:52,401
in general government costs,

3761
01:57:53,100 --> 01:57:56,100
a jump of 25%. A fiscally

3762
01:57:56,100 --> 01:57:58,100
responsible town council

3763
01:57:58,100 --> 01:58:00,100
would've gotten details,

3764
01:58:00,100 --> 01:58:01,100
for example,

3765
01:58:01,100 --> 01:58:02,100
about the sharp increase

3766
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:04,100
in overhead assessed by the

3767
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:05,100
Sheriff's Department. And then

3768
01:58:05,100 --> 01:58:07,100
they would have discussed what

3769
01:58:07,100 --> 01:58:08,100
to do about these,

3770
01:58:08,100 --> 01:58:09,100
what could possibly be done

3771
01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:10,100
about these 2 large cost

3772
01:58:10,100 --> 01:58:11,100
increases. This council did not

3773
01:58:11,100 --> 01:58:12,100
do that. In summary, the

3774
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:13,100
Windsor Concerned Windsor

3775
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:15,100
Citizens Group is

3776
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:17,100
against a permanent 1% increase

3777
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:18,100
in the sales tax in Windsor

3778
01:58:18,100 --> 01:58:21,100
because we believe that the

3779
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:24,100
town staff and town council

3780
01:58:24,100 --> 01:58:27,100
have been unwilling or unable

3781
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:31,100
to examine the root causes of

3782
01:58:31,100 --> 01:58:33,401
the town's current fiscal

3783
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,100
problems. Instead, staff and

3784
01:58:36,100 --> 01:58:37,100
the council are proposing

3785
01:58:37,100 --> 01:58:38,100
to paper over the deficit

3786
01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:39,100
Asking Windsor residents

3787
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:40,100
to pay more in taxes

3788
01:58:40,100 --> 01:58:41,100
with no demonstration of fiscal

3789
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:42,100
responsibility and certainly no

3790
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:43,100
guarantee that more taxes,

3791
01:58:43,100 --> 01:58:44,100
no more taxes will be a

3792
01:58:44,100 --> 01:58:46,100
permanent,

3793
01:58:46,100 --> 01:58:49,100
certainly a guarantee that more

3794
01:58:50,100 --> 01:58:51,100
taxes, this increase

3795
01:58:51,100 --> 01:58:53,100
in taxes will be a permanent

3796
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:54,100
fix for the town's fiscal

3797
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:56,100
problems.

3798
01:58:56,100 --> 01:58:58,100
>> Hi.

3799
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:08,100
>> Hi.

3800
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:09,100
>> Thank you,

3801
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,100
council members. This is

3802
01:59:11,100 --> 01:59:12,100
Teresa Hendricks, and I live

3803
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:13,100
in Sam's district. And I came

3804
01:59:13,100 --> 01:59:14,100
here

3805
01:59:14,100 --> 01:59:15,100
to let you know there are a lot

3806
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:17,100
of people who support putting

3807
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:19,100
the 1 cent per dollar spent,

3808
01:59:19,100 --> 01:59:21,100
1% sales tax on the ballot

3809
01:59:21,100 --> 01:59:24,100
until such time as removed

3810
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:27,100
by a citizen measure approved

3811
01:59:27,100 --> 01:59:28,100
by the voters. I can tell you

3812
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:31,601
that we already have a great

3813
01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:36,401
group of retired professionals

3814
01:59:37,100 --> 01:59:38,100
who want to campaign for this

3815
01:59:38,100 --> 01:59:39,100
for you, and you can reach us

3816
01:59:39,100 --> 01:59:41,401
at windsorisworthit@gmail.com,

3817
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:45,401
and you can look

3818
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:51,100
for a website coming up

3819
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:53,100
at windsorisworthit.org

3820
01:59:54,100 --> 01:59:55,100
to give everybody the facts

3821
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:58,100
about the sales tax and why we

3822
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:59,100
should vote for it and why we

3823
01:59:59,100 --> 02:00:01,100
should pass this sales tax. We

3824
02:00:01,100 --> 02:00:03,100
feel that

3825
02:00:03,100 --> 02:00:04,100
in all the meetings you've held

3826
02:00:04,100 --> 02:00:06,100
over the past year, we have

3827
02:00:06,100 --> 02:00:08,100
gotten more than enough

3828
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:09,100
documentation of the rise in

3829
02:00:09,100 --> 02:00:11,100
external costs and forces that

3830
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:13,100
are forcing Windsor

3831
02:00:16,100 --> 02:00:17,100
to put this

3832
02:00:17,100 --> 02:00:18,100
on the ballot if we want to

3833
02:00:18,100 --> 02:00:19,000
keep our town as beautiful and

3834
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,000
great a place

3835
02:00:21,100 --> 02:00:22,100
to live as it is now. And let

3836
02:00:22,100 --> 02:00:24,100
me just say,

3837
02:00:24,100 --> 02:00:25,100
I think this makes sense

3838
02:00:25,100 --> 02:00:28,100
to put this on the ballot.

3839
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:30,100
Really, it's a protection

3840
02:00:30,100 --> 02:00:33,100
for all of us and our property

3841
02:00:33,100 --> 02:00:34,100
values because,

3842
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:35,100
as we were just discussing,

3843
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:36,100
homes are generally the biggest

3844
02:00:36,100 --> 02:00:38,100
asset that a family or a person

3845
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:41,601
owns. If our town gets tattered

3846
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,100
and goes downhill,

3847
02:00:48,100 --> 02:00:51,100
so do our investments in our

3848
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:54,100
homes and any price that we

3849
02:00:54,100 --> 02:00:55,100
might want to sell them for

3850
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:56,100
in the future. And more

3851
02:00:56,100 --> 02:00:57,100
importantly,

3852
02:00:57,100 --> 02:00:59,100
there's a danger that we may

3853
02:00:59,100 --> 02:01:00,100
not be as safe a town as we

3854
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:02,100
have always been. We may not

3855
02:01:02,100 --> 02:01:03,100
have anywhere near the quality

3856
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:04,100
of parks that we have always

3857
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:05,100
had and recreation programs

3858
02:01:05,100 --> 02:01:07,100
we've always had

3859
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:08,100
for our kids. These are the

3860
02:01:08,100 --> 02:01:10,100
reasons most people moved here

3861
02:01:10,100 --> 02:01:12,100
to Windsor, because it's a

3862
02:01:12,100 --> 02:01:13,100
great place. It's a great place

3863
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:14,100
to call your new hometown or

3864
02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:15,100
your forever hometown,

3865
02:01:15,100 --> 02:01:16,100
and we want

3866
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:17,100
to keep it that way a safe,

3867
02:01:17,100 --> 02:01:18,100
family-friendly,

3868
02:01:18,100 --> 02:01:19,100
well-kept town for all of us.

3869
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:20,100
So, you do have people who

3870
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:22,100
support this,

3871
02:01:22,100 --> 02:01:23,100
and I encourage you to put it

3872
02:01:23,100 --> 02:01:24,100
on the ballot as written,

3873
02:01:24,100 --> 02:01:26,100
and then you can let the voters

3874
02:01:26,100 --> 02:01:27,100
of Windsor decide. And I'm sure

3875
02:01:27,100 --> 02:01:28,100
it'll be interesting. Thank

3876
02:01:28,100 --> 02:01:30,100
you.

3877
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:59,000
>> Hi, Betsy Malice,

3878
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:00,100
Flametree Circle. In October

3879
02:02:00,100 --> 02:02:02,100
of last year,

3880
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:03,100
the executive team

3881
02:02:03,100 --> 02:02:04,100
of the town, which I didn't

3882
02:02:04,100 --> 02:02:05,100
even know there was one,

3883
02:02:05,100 --> 02:02:06,100
and I was even more surprised

3884
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:08,100
to learn that each

3885
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:09,100
of them earns between $200,000

3886
02:02:09,100 --> 02:02:11,100
and $350,000 a year, they

3887
02:02:11,100 --> 02:02:12,100
invited myself and some others

3888
02:02:12,100 --> 02:02:14,100
to a meeting to discuss

3889
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:15,100
Windsor's fiscal outlook. I was

3890
02:02:15,100 --> 02:02:17,100
told then that they wanted the

3891
02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:19,100
residents' feedback, but they

3892
02:02:19,100 --> 02:02:21,100
shared that the solution was a

3893
02:02:21,100 --> 02:02:23,100
1% non-sunsetting sales tax.

3894
02:02:23,100 --> 02:02:25,100
Tonight, 9 months later,

3895
02:02:26,100 --> 02:02:27,100
this council is voting

3896
02:02:27,100 --> 02:02:29,100
on a ballot measure for a 1%

3897
02:02:29,100 --> 02:02:30,100
non-sunsetting sales tax.

3898
02:02:30,100 --> 02:02:31,100
Staff was told

3899
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:32,100
to not spend money

3900
02:02:32,100 --> 02:02:34,100
on a consultant. At least 2 of

3901
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:36,401
the council members requested

3902
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:38,100
that the issue just be put

3903
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:39,100
on the ballot and

3904
02:02:39,100 --> 02:02:42,100
to let the voters speak

3905
02:02:42,100 --> 02:02:44,100
for themselves.

3906
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:45,100
>> Thank you.

3907
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:46,100
>> Can you advise how many

3908
02:02:46,100 --> 02:02:48,100
hours and how much salary was

3909
02:02:48,100 --> 02:02:49,100
used by staff working

3910
02:02:49,100 --> 02:02:51,100
on this ballot measure? This

3911
02:02:51,100 --> 02:02:52,100
also doesn't include the

3912
02:02:52,100 --> 02:02:53,100
$50,000 that was spent on a

3913
02:02:53,100 --> 02:02:54,100
professional survey whose

3914
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:55,100
results were never presented to

3915
02:02:55,100 --> 02:02:56,100
the council and whose results

3916
02:02:56,100 --> 02:02:58,100
found that the measure in fact

3917
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:59,100
did not have enough support

3918
02:02:59,100 --> 02:03:01,100
to pass. Doesn't also include

3919
02:03:01,100 --> 02:03:03,100
the $27,000 to put the ballot

3920
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:04,100
on the measure the measure on

3921
02:03:04,100 --> 02:03:05,100
the ballot. I've not seen good

3922
02:03:05,100 --> 02:03:08,100
faith by this town council

3923
02:03:09,100 --> 02:03:11,100
to truly control expenses. The

3924
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:14,100
town has spent a lot of money

3925
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:16,100
on a new ERP software system

3926
02:03:16,100 --> 02:03:17,100
that was supposed to save up

3927
02:03:17,100 --> 02:03:18,100
to 20%

3928
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:20,100
of staff time and labor,

3929
02:03:20,100 --> 02:03:21,100
but expenses, salaries, and

3930
02:03:21,100 --> 02:03:23,401
benefits just keep increasing.

3931
02:03:24,100 --> 02:03:27,100
The town stated that there's

3932
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:31,100
been, been a hiring freeze for

3933
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:32,000
at least 6 months, yet we're

3934
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:35,000
still employing a full-time HR

3935
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:37,100
recruitment specialist. Why is

3936
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:40,100
that money really being spent

3937
02:03:41,100 --> 02:03:42,100
wisely? You keep telling people

3938
02:03:42,100 --> 02:03:45,100
a new tax would bring back the

3939
02:03:45,100 --> 02:03:46,100
3 vacant police positions and

3940
02:03:46,100 --> 02:03:48,100
keep our parks looking nicer,

3941
02:03:48,100 --> 02:03:49,100
but the ballot actually reads,

3942
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:51,100
and for government use, even

3943
02:03:51,100 --> 02:03:52,100
though that was not verbally

3944
02:03:52,100 --> 02:03:54,401
stated in the presentation.

3945
02:03:55,100 --> 02:03:56,100
So, it could be used

3946
02:03:56,100 --> 02:03:57,100
for more staff,

3947
02:03:57,100 --> 02:03:59,100
for more benefits,

3948
02:04:00,100 --> 02:04:01,100
for more raises,

3949
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:02,100
or it could be used to backfill

3950
02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:04,100
the money that's already been

3951
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:05,100
spent. This council or any

3952
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:06,100
future council could decide

3953
02:04:06,100 --> 02:04:07,100
to use it

3954
02:04:07,100 --> 02:04:08,100
on anything they wanted,

3955
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:09,100
including giving yourselves a

3956
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:10,100
raise,

3957
02:04:10,100 --> 02:04:12,100
which has been suggested

3958
02:04:12,100 --> 02:04:14,100
by past councils. Since 2019,

3959
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:15,100
when it was announced that we

3960
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:17,100
were heading towards a fiscal

3961
02:04:17,100 --> 02:04:20,100
deficit, I didn't I do not

3962
02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:21,100
think the council has been good

3963
02:04:21,100 --> 02:04:23,100
stewards of the taxpayers'

3964
02:04:23,100 --> 02:04:24,100
money. I don't think you've

3965
02:04:24,100 --> 02:04:25,100
made the hard decisions to

3966
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:27,100
really reduce spending. I think

3967
02:04:27,100 --> 02:04:29,100
it was just too easy to keep

3968
02:04:29,100 --> 02:04:32,100
spending our money. I don't

3969
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:33,100
think more taxes will fix bad

3970
02:04:33,100 --> 02:04:35,100
governance. I don't think that

3971
02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:36,100
more taxes will correct

3972
02:04:36,100 --> 02:04:38,100
overspending. I've talked

3973
02:04:39,100 --> 02:04:41,100
to friends and neighbors,

3974
02:04:41,100 --> 02:04:43,100
and many do agree

3975
02:04:43,100 --> 02:04:46,100
with me. I am part of

3976
02:04:46,100 --> 02:04:47,100
Concerned Windsor Citizens, and

3977
02:04:47,100 --> 02:04:48,100
if anybody agrees

3978
02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:51,100
with me or wants to talk

3979
02:04:51,100 --> 02:04:52,100
to me, they can email me at

3980
02:04:52,100 --> 02:04:53,100
concernedwindsorca@gmail.com.

3981
02:04:53,100 --> 02:04:55,401
Thank you for listening.

3982
02:04:56,100 --> 02:04:58,100
>> Anybody else

3983
02:04:59,100 --> 02:05:02,100
from the public? Seeing none,

3984
02:05:04,100 --> 02:05:06,100
I'm going

3985
02:05:07,100 --> 02:05:08,100
to close the public comment,

3986
02:05:08,100 --> 02:05:11,601
bring it back to council for

3987
02:05:12,100 --> 02:05:14,100
discussion. I guess we could

3988
02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:15,100
start with probably the easy

3989
02:05:15,100 --> 02:05:17,100
one. I am very interested

3990
02:05:17,100 --> 02:05:19,100
in being part

3991
02:05:19,100 --> 02:05:21,401
of that writing the

3992
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:24,100
for the favor, in favor

3993
02:05:24,100 --> 02:05:26,100
of the argument.

3994
02:05:27,100 --> 02:05:28,100
>> Yep.

3995
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:29,100
>> In favor. So, if we could

3996
02:05:29,100 --> 02:05:30,100
maybe discuss that first.

3997
02:05:30,100 --> 02:05:32,100
There's 2 openings for that.

3998
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:34,100
Is anyone else interested?

3999
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:35,100
>> I would also like

4000
02:05:35,100 --> 02:05:37,100
to be considered

4001
02:05:37,100 --> 02:05:39,100
for that one.

4002
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:41,100
>> Councilmember Leep or

4003
02:05:41,100 --> 02:05:42,100
Salmon or Wall, do you guys

4004
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:44,100
have?

4005
02:05:44,100 --> 02:05:45,100
>> How, how many people can be

4006
02:05:45,100 --> 02:05:47,100
And Mayor, if I may so there is

4007
02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:49,401
the, the common practices

4008
02:05:50,100 --> 02:05:52,100
for council,

4009
02:05:54,100 --> 02:05:57,601
less than a quorum. There is

4010
02:05:58,100 --> 02:06:00,100
obviously an argument that

4011
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:03,100
placing an item on the,

4012
02:06:03,100 --> 02:06:04,100
on the ballot or the after,

4013
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:06,100
after the council votes today,

4014
02:06:06,100 --> 02:06:07,100
it's not city business anymore.

4015
02:06:07,100 --> 02:06:09,100
It's going to have

4016
02:06:09,100 --> 02:06:10,100
to we can't use city funds. So

4017
02:06:10,100 --> 02:06:12,100
there is an argument that All

4018
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:13,100
the council can participate,

4019
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:15,100
but I think the recommendation

4020
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:16,100
is to have less than a quorum

4021
02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:17,100
to avoid any type

4022
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:19,100
of arguments related to the

4023
02:06:19,100 --> 02:06:22,100
Brown Act, even though it's an

4024
02:06:22,100 --> 02:06:24,100
election matter. So, that's why

4025
02:06:24,100 --> 02:06:25,100
the recommendation had 2 blanks

4026
02:06:25,100 --> 02:06:27,401
for up to 2 individuals.

4027
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:32,100
>> So, Councilmember Leep or

4028
02:06:32,100 --> 02:06:34,100
Wall or Councilmember Salmon,

4029
02:06:34,100 --> 02:06:36,100
are you guys?

4030
02:06:36,100 --> 02:06:37,100
>> I'd like to be involved. I

4031
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:39,100
mean, I think the wording

4032
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:41,100
in some ways of the argument is

4033
02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:44,100
it means everything. But, you

4034
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:47,100
know,

4035
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:53,601
so we can make nominations and

4036
02:06:55,100 --> 02:06:56,100
vote, I suppose. Or can we,

4037
02:06:56,100 --> 02:06:57,100
can we have a workshop

4038
02:06:57,100 --> 02:06:59,100
to put together?

4039
02:06:59,100 --> 02:07:00,100
>> No, after so

4040
02:07:00,100 --> 02:07:01,100
after you place the item

4041
02:07:01,100 --> 02:07:02,100
on the on the so if tonight the

4042
02:07:02,100 --> 02:07:03,100
council decided to vote on the

4043
02:07:03,100 --> 02:07:04,100
resolution placing the item

4044
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:05,100
on the ballot,

4045
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:07,100
we couldn't use city resources

4046
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:08,100
to, to

4047
02:07:08,100 --> 02:07:09,100
in any way promote or campaign

4048
02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:10,100
in writing, the argument would

4049
02:07:10,100 --> 02:07:11,100
be that would be done on kind

4050
02:07:11,100 --> 02:07:14,100
of everybody's own time. Would

4051
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:17,100
be looking like promoting,

4052
02:07:17,100 --> 02:07:18,100
campaigning, campaigning.

4053
02:07:18,100 --> 02:07:20,100
>> I would be willing

4054
02:07:20,100 --> 02:07:21,100
to relinquish it to you, Sam,

4055
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:22,100
if the mayor and you'd like

4056
02:07:22,100 --> 02:07:23,100
to write it. I mean,

4057
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:25,401
obviously they don't have

4058
02:07:26,100 --> 02:07:28,100
to be written together,

4059
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:31,100
but no, they'd be separate.

4060
02:07:31,100 --> 02:07:32,100
They'd be separate arguments,

4061
02:07:32,100 --> 02:07:33,100
but it would be two.

4062
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:34,100
>> It would be one. I'm sorry

4063
02:07:34,100 --> 02:07:36,100
to interrupt. Oh, it would

4064
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:38,100
actually be one argument.

4065
02:07:38,100 --> 02:07:39,100
>> Okay.

4066
02:07:39,100 --> 02:07:41,100
>> So, it'd be working

4067
02:07:41,100 --> 02:07:42,100
together. So, the way, just

4068
02:07:42,100 --> 02:07:43,100
to recap, we would have the law

4069
02:07:43,100 --> 02:07:45,100
does give priority

4070
02:07:46,100 --> 02:07:48,100
to an argument, especially if

4071
02:07:48,100 --> 02:07:50,401
the council designates its

4072
02:07:51,100 --> 02:07:53,100
members or a certain amount

4073
02:07:53,100 --> 02:07:55,401
of its members or 1, 2

4074
02:07:56,100 --> 02:07:57,100
of its members,

4075
02:07:57,100 --> 02:07:58,100
that argument gets priority

4076
02:07:58,100 --> 02:08:00,100
for being the argument

4077
02:08:00,100 --> 02:08:03,100
in favor. Anybody could, or

4078
02:08:04,100 --> 02:08:06,100
other groups can oppose and do

4079
02:08:06,100 --> 02:08:08,100
an argument against. And then

4080
02:08:08,100 --> 02:08:10,100
there's rebuttal arguments that

4081
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:11,100
could be submitted. So, the

4082
02:08:11,100 --> 02:08:12,100
individual council members,

4083
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:13,100
individual or individuals

4084
02:08:13,100 --> 02:08:14,100
selected, council or council

4085
02:08:14,100 --> 02:08:16,100
members selected to write the

4086
02:08:16,100 --> 02:08:17,100
argument would also be writing

4087
02:08:17,100 --> 02:08:18,100
the rebuttal. But it's still,

4088
02:08:18,100 --> 02:08:19,100
it's collective. It's one

4089
02:08:19,100 --> 02:08:20,100
argument,

4090
02:08:20,100 --> 02:08:22,100
one rebuttal.

4091
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:23,100
>> I'd be happy to defer

4092
02:08:23,100 --> 02:08:24,100
to others. I've had my day

4093
02:08:24,100 --> 02:08:26,401
in the sun recently,

4094
02:08:30,100 --> 02:08:33,601
so I think that I'll follow

4095
02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:36,401
Tanya's lead, which is

4096
02:08:39,100 --> 02:08:40,100
to defer.

4097
02:08:40,100 --> 02:08:42,100
>> I, I, I couldn't hear,

4098
02:08:42,100 --> 02:08:43,100
so.

4099
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:45,100
>> No, he's.

4100
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:49,100
>> I said go ahead, Sam and

4101
02:08:49,100 --> 02:08:50,100
Rosa.

4102
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:51,100
>> Vice Mayor and Mayor and

4103
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:52,100
Councilmember Salmon, he's okay

4104
02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:54,100
with.

4105
02:08:54,100 --> 02:08:55,100
>> It's okay with me to stay

4106
02:08:55,100 --> 02:08:56,100
out of it.

4107
02:08:56,100 --> 02:08:58,401
>> Okay, but there's still

4108
02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:00,100
there's still 3.

4109
02:09:00,100 --> 02:09:02,100
>> Yes, Councilmember Wall.

4110
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:05,100
>> So do we need

4111
02:09:05,100 --> 02:09:08,100
to and I don't mean

4112
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:09,100
to be the thorn

4113
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:10,100
in the side here,

4114
02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:11,100
but do we need

4115
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:12,100
to designate someone

4116
02:09:12,100 --> 02:09:14,100
to write the rebuttal then?

4117
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:15,100
>> That's what we're trying

4118
02:09:15,100 --> 02:09:16,100
to do here.

4119
02:09:16,100 --> 02:09:18,100
>> No, it's all one piece.

4120
02:09:18,100 --> 02:09:19,100
>> It's not the rebuttal.

4121
02:09:19,100 --> 02:09:20,100
>> It's all one.

4122
02:09:20,100 --> 02:09:21,100
>> The same, the same,

4123
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:22,100
the same folks you select to do

4124
02:09:22,100 --> 02:09:23,100
the arguments are the same that

4125
02:09:23,100 --> 02:09:25,100
the actual same folks that

4126
02:09:25,100 --> 02:09:26,100
actually also do the rebuttal.

4127
02:09:26,100 --> 02:09:27,100
>> That seems a little.

4128
02:09:27,100 --> 02:09:28,100
>> No, I think Councilmember

4129
02:09:28,100 --> 02:09:31,100
Wall is talking about against

4130
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:32,100
the sales tax.

4131
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:35,100
>> I'm no, the rebuttal is

4132
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:36,100
against, is

4133
02:09:36,100 --> 02:09:37,100
against the people who are

4134
02:09:37,100 --> 02:09:38,100
against the tax, right? It's

4135
02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:39,100
not against the tax, it's

4136
02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:40,100
in favor of the tax.

4137
02:09:40,100 --> 02:09:42,401
>> Councilmember Wall, can you

4138
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:44,100
be more clarify your,

4139
02:09:44,100 --> 02:09:46,100
your request?

4140
02:09:46,100 --> 02:09:47,100
>> I'm asking, and I apologize

4141
02:09:47,100 --> 02:09:49,100
if I'm missing the point here,

4142
02:09:49,100 --> 02:09:51,100
so if we're writing the,

4143
02:09:51,100 --> 02:09:53,100
the pros

4144
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:55,100
to passing this tax as,

4145
02:09:55,100 --> 02:09:56,100
as council members. I'm

4146
02:09:56,100 --> 02:09:58,100
wondering,

4147
02:09:59,100 --> 02:10:00,100
is there an opportunity

4148
02:10:00,100 --> 02:10:01,100
for someone to be designated

4149
02:10:01,100 --> 02:10:03,100
to write the cons?

4150
02:10:03,100 --> 02:10:04,100
>> So, so, good question,

4151
02:10:04,100 --> 02:10:05,100
council member. The, the

4152
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:07,100
arguments against,

4153
02:10:08,100 --> 02:10:09,100
those are anybody could,

4154
02:10:09,100 --> 02:10:11,100
could prepare those arguments.

4155
02:10:11,100 --> 02:10:12,100
The council doesn't designate

4156
02:10:12,100 --> 02:10:13,100
folks

4157
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:14,100
to do the argument against,

4158
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:17,100
only the argument in favor,

4159
02:10:18,100 --> 02:10:19,100
since you are placing the

4160
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:21,100
measure on the ballot.

4161
02:10:21,100 --> 02:10:22,100
>> And then we haven't voted

4162
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:23,100
yet. Sorry, I think I jumped

4163
02:10:23,100 --> 02:10:24,100
the gun.

4164
02:10:24,100 --> 02:10:25,100
>> Since we're placing it

4165
02:10:25,100 --> 02:10:26,100
on the ballot,

4166
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:27,100
we can only argue in favor

4167
02:10:27,100 --> 02:10:28,100
of it.

4168
02:10:28,100 --> 02:10:29,100
>> The council is placing it

4169
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:30,100
on it, so the council is

4170
02:10:30,100 --> 02:10:31,100
arguing, making arguments

4171
02:10:31,100 --> 02:10:33,100
in favor, correct?

4172
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:38,100
>> So, I guess I just

4173
02:10:38,100 --> 02:10:39,100
fundamentally have a problem

4174
02:10:39,100 --> 02:10:40,100
with that because I want this I

4175
02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:41,100
want this

4176
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:42,100
on the ballot so people can

4177
02:10:42,100 --> 02:10:44,100
vote on it, but that doesn't

4178
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:45,100
mean I'm necessarily in favor

4179
02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:47,100
of it.

4180
02:10:47,100 --> 02:10:49,100
>> And that's anyone.

4181
02:10:51,100 --> 02:10:52,100
Councilmember Wall can write a

4182
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:53,100
rebuttal. So if you want to

4183
02:10:53,100 --> 02:10:54,100
on your own write a rebuttal

4184
02:10:54,100 --> 02:10:55,100
against it, that's something

4185
02:10:55,100 --> 02:10:56,100
that you can do. But the

4186
02:10:56,100 --> 02:10:57,100
council doesn't designate

4187
02:10:57,100 --> 02:10:58,100
people to specifically write a

4188
02:10:58,100 --> 02:10:59,100
rebuttal.

4189
02:10:59,100 --> 02:11:00,100
>> Okay, so the council's only

4190
02:11:00,100 --> 02:11:01,100
going to write something

4191
02:11:01,100 --> 02:11:02,100
officially supporting this?

4192
02:11:02,100 --> 02:11:04,100
>> Correct.

4193
02:11:04,100 --> 02:11:05,100
>> How is the rebuttal to the

4194
02:11:05,100 --> 02:11:06,100
council's argument chosen?

4195
02:11:06,100 --> 02:11:08,401
Because it's a limit

4196
02:11:10,100 --> 02:11:11,100
of words, right?

4197
02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:12,100
>> Correct, correct. So, so

4198
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:13,100
the, the so let me,

4199
02:11:13,100 --> 02:11:14,100
let me just kind of go

4200
02:11:14,100 --> 02:11:16,100
over it.

4201
02:11:16,100 --> 02:11:18,100
>> Just please.

4202
02:11:18,100 --> 02:11:19,100
>> Sorry, again,

4203
02:11:19,100 --> 02:11:20,100
I'm maybe confusing people.

4204
02:11:20,100 --> 02:11:22,100
When you place a measure,

4205
02:11:22,100 --> 02:11:23,100
a tax measure, or in this case

4206
02:11:23,100 --> 02:11:24,100
on the ballot,

4207
02:11:24,100 --> 02:11:26,100
you can designate

4208
02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:28,401
on who you want

4209
02:11:29,100 --> 02:11:30,100
to do the arguments in favor.

4210
02:11:30,100 --> 02:11:33,100
Somebody from the public or

4211
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:34,100
somebody else, whoever it may

4212
02:11:34,100 --> 02:11:37,601
be, can draft, whether it's an

4213
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:40,100
organization, a voter can

4214
02:11:40,100 --> 02:11:42,100
prepare an argument against.

4215
02:11:42,100 --> 02:11:43,100
Once the argument

4216
02:11:43,100 --> 02:11:44,100
in favor and the argument

4217
02:11:44,100 --> 02:11:46,100
against are received,

4218
02:11:46,100 --> 02:11:48,100
and the argument

4219
02:11:48,100 --> 02:11:50,100
against there are rules

4220
02:11:50,100 --> 02:11:52,100
for priority in case there's

4221
02:11:52,100 --> 02:11:53,100
multiple arguments against.

4222
02:11:53,100 --> 02:11:54,100
There's rules for priority, and

4223
02:11:54,100 --> 02:11:55,100
that our legis our town clerk

4224
02:11:55,100 --> 02:11:56,100
as the election official,

4225
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:58,100
ends up selecting it. Then now

4226
02:11:58,100 --> 02:11:59,100
you have an argument

4227
02:11:59,100 --> 02:12:01,401
in favor, argument against.

4228
02:12:05,100 --> 02:12:06,100
Then there's an opportunity

4229
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:07,100
for both sides to rebut the

4230
02:12:07,100 --> 02:12:09,401
arguments that were received,

4231
02:12:10,100 --> 02:12:11,100
the argument in favor, the

4232
02:12:11,100 --> 02:12:13,100
group submitting the argument

4233
02:12:13,100 --> 02:12:14,100
against could rebut. And for

4234
02:12:14,100 --> 02:12:15,100
the folks that submitted the

4235
02:12:15,100 --> 02:12:17,100
argument in favor could rebut

4236
02:12:17,100 --> 02:12:20,100
the argument against. The limit

4237
02:12:23,100 --> 02:12:24,100
for the rebuttal, the limit

4238
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:26,100
for the arguments in favor and

4239
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:27,100
against are 300 words.

4240
02:12:27,100 --> 02:12:29,100
Rebuttal arguments are 250

4241
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:32,100
words. And so, it's a short,

4242
02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:33,100
it's not pages and pages.

4243
02:12:33,100 --> 02:12:35,100
There's a word limit. And

4244
02:12:35,100 --> 02:12:38,100
there's also a time limit,

4245
02:12:40,100 --> 02:12:41,100
a time requirement a due date.

4246
02:12:41,100 --> 02:12:42,100
Arguments in favor and

4247
02:12:42,100 --> 02:12:43,100
against are due August 14th.

4248
02:12:43,100 --> 02:12:45,100
The rebuttal arguments will be

4249
02:12:45,100 --> 02:12:47,401
due August 21st. Aside

4250
02:12:51,100 --> 02:12:52,100
from that, the town attorney I

4251
02:12:52,100 --> 02:12:54,100
would be tasked

4252
02:12:55,100 --> 02:12:57,100
under the resolution,

4253
02:12:57,100 --> 02:12:58,100
if the council adopts it, to

4254
02:12:58,100 --> 02:12:59,100
also prepare an impartial

4255
02:12:59,100 --> 02:13:00,100
analysis. The impartial

4256
02:13:00,100 --> 02:13:01,100
analysis is factual. It's

4257
02:13:01,100 --> 02:13:02,100
supposed

4258
02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:03,100
to be it's impartial. The law

4259
02:13:03,100 --> 02:13:06,100
requires it to be impartial,

4260
02:13:06,100 --> 02:13:07,100
just factual for the voters.

4261
02:13:07,100 --> 02:13:09,100
And that would also be

4262
02:13:09,100 --> 02:13:10,100
submitted. And you normally see

4263
02:13:10,100 --> 02:13:11,100
that as an impartial analysis

4264
02:13:11,100 --> 02:13:12,100
as part that accompanies the

4265
02:13:12,100 --> 02:13:14,401
election material. Hopefully I

4266
02:13:16,100 --> 02:13:18,100
provided...

4267
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:22,100
>> And the date for that is

4268
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:23,100
in the resolution?

4269
02:13:23,100 --> 02:13:24,100
>> The date

4270
02:13:24,100 --> 02:13:25,100
for the impartial analysis?

4271
02:13:25,100 --> 02:13:27,100
And we were going

4272
02:13:27,100 --> 02:13:29,100
to get that. That's actually

4273
02:13:29,100 --> 02:13:31,100
The county sets those dates.

4274
02:13:31,100 --> 02:13:32,100
That's not in the resolution,

4275
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:34,100
but we follow the,

4276
02:13:34,100 --> 02:13:36,100
the county. It's August 14th as

4277
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:37,100
well. It's when the argument's

4278
02:13:37,100 --> 02:13:38,100
in favor and against all. And

4279
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:41,100
that's the county ends up

4280
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:42,100
putting those dates as well.

4281
02:13:42,100 --> 02:13:43,100
>> So, remind me again,

4282
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:44,100
so we're going

4283
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:45,100
to actually obviously, I don't

4284
02:13:45,100 --> 02:13:46,100
know if there's discussion

4285
02:13:46,100 --> 02:13:48,100
about this,

4286
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:49,100
but someone's going

4287
02:13:49,100 --> 02:13:50,100
to make a motion on this. So

4288
02:13:50,100 --> 02:13:51,100
once that if it passes,

4289
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:52,100
once that's done,

4290
02:13:52,100 --> 02:13:53,100
then is the town not allowed to

4291
02:13:53,100 --> 02:13:55,401
share facts and information

4292
02:13:59,100 --> 02:14:00,100
anymore on their website,

4293
02:14:00,100 --> 02:14:02,100
or can they do that?

4294
02:14:02,100 --> 02:14:03,100
>> No, that, that,

4295
02:14:03,100 --> 02:14:04,100
that's another great question.

4296
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:05,100
So, what you're prohibited

4297
02:14:05,100 --> 02:14:06,100
from doing is campaigning,

4298
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:07,100
spending city or town resources

4299
02:14:07,100 --> 02:14:08,100
on the campaigning,

4300
02:14:08,100 --> 02:14:10,100
but that doesn't prevent us

4301
02:14:10,100 --> 02:14:11,100
from providing information,

4302
02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:13,401
just factual information where,

4303
02:14:15,100 --> 02:14:16,100
you know, obviously When things

4304
02:14:16,100 --> 02:14:19,601
get put out, our office looks

4305
02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:21,100
at it as well to make sure that

4306
02:14:21,100 --> 02:14:24,100
the wording doesn't go into

4307
02:14:24,100 --> 02:14:25,100
anything that could be

4308
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:26,100
translated into campaigning.

4309
02:14:26,100 --> 02:14:28,100
But you are allowed

4310
02:14:28,100 --> 02:14:29,100
to provide information,

4311
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:31,100
whether on the website,

4312
02:14:31,100 --> 02:14:32,100
some jurisdictions provide

4313
02:14:32,100 --> 02:14:34,100
mailers, etc.

4314
02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:35,100
>> So, for example, tonight I

4315
02:14:35,100 --> 02:14:36,100
heard some comments that I

4316
02:14:36,100 --> 02:14:37,100
don't necessarily agree with.

4317
02:14:37,100 --> 02:14:39,100
So for example, would,

4318
02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:42,100
would I be able to ask the town

4319
02:14:42,100 --> 02:14:45,100
clerk or the town manager

4320
02:14:46,100 --> 02:14:48,100
to put on the website things

4321
02:14:48,100 --> 02:14:50,100
that this council, this body,

4322
02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:52,100
has not approved

4323
02:14:52,100 --> 02:14:55,100
to spend money on? Like the

4324
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:56,100
Kaiser Park master plan,

4325
02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:58,100
we've said no,

4326
02:14:59,100 --> 02:15:00,100
we're not moving forward

4327
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:01,100
with that, or,

4328
02:15:01,100 --> 02:15:04,100
or any other things. Would we

4329
02:15:04,100 --> 02:15:05,100
be able to show where we are

4330
02:15:05,100 --> 02:15:08,100
in the last 4 or 5 years

4331
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:11,100
but tried

4332
02:15:11,100 --> 02:15:12,100
to be fiscally responsible?

4333
02:15:12,100 --> 02:15:13,100
>> And Mayor, if there are

4334
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:15,100
questions Regarding the council

4335
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:16,100
actions, those are factual

4336
02:15:16,100 --> 02:15:17,100
on what the council has voted

4337
02:15:17,100 --> 02:15:18,100
on and not voted on. Those are

4338
02:15:18,100 --> 02:15:20,100
definitely, if we're answering

4339
02:15:20,100 --> 02:15:22,100
questions or any questions that

4340
02:15:22,100 --> 02:15:24,100
are out there, that would,

4341
02:15:24,100 --> 02:15:25,100
those would be facts, factual.

4342
02:15:25,100 --> 02:15:28,100
No, we haven't voted on this.

4343
02:15:28,100 --> 02:15:29,100
Yes, the council has voted

4344
02:15:29,100 --> 02:15:31,100
on that. Those are things

4345
02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:33,100
on the record.

4346
02:15:33,100 --> 02:15:34,100
>> But is that a request that

4347
02:15:34,100 --> 02:15:36,100
we can make to you to put

4348
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:37,100
on a, is there going

4349
02:15:37,100 --> 02:15:39,100
to be a page in the town

4350
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:41,100
Yeah, we'll maintain the

4351
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:42,100
webpage for factual educational

4352
02:15:42,100 --> 02:15:44,100
data points.

4353
02:15:45,100 --> 02:15:46,100
>> And I mean, technically, the

4354
02:15:46,100 --> 02:15:47,100
actions that you've already

4355
02:15:47,100 --> 02:15:48,100
taken in the past to

4356
02:15:48,100 --> 02:15:49,100
demonstrate your fiscal

4357
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:50,100
responsibility is already

4358
02:15:50,100 --> 02:15:52,100
on the website within agenda

4359
02:15:52,100 --> 02:15:54,100
packets and minutes.

4360
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:57,100
>> So, there is that too.

4361
02:15:57,100 --> 02:15:58,100
>> So, it does exist.

4362
02:15:58,100 --> 02:16:00,100
>> Right.

4363
02:16:00,100 --> 02:16:01,100
>> And may I, Mayor?

4364
02:16:01,100 --> 02:16:03,100
But I think that we're talking

4365
02:16:03,100 --> 02:16:04,100
about summarizing that the

4366
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:05,100
council has done So many

4367
02:16:05,100 --> 02:16:06,100
actions to reduce our spending

4368
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:08,100
over the last 4 years.

4369
02:16:08,100 --> 02:16:09,100
>> Yes.

4370
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:10,100
>> And we have not approved

4371
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:11,100
many things, including

4372
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:13,100
significant infrastructure

4373
02:16:13,100 --> 02:16:14,100
projects that we are seeing

4374
02:16:14,100 --> 02:16:15,100
huge issues with because we

4375
02:16:15,100 --> 02:16:16,100
haven't paved our roads because

4376
02:16:16,100 --> 02:16:18,100
they've been extremely

4377
02:16:18,100 --> 02:16:19,100
expensive. And so that summary

4378
02:16:19,100 --> 02:16:21,100
can go on to that page.

4379
02:16:21,100 --> 02:16:22,100
>> Yeah, we would be looking we

4380
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:24,100
would,

4381
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:27,100
we would definitely look

4382
02:16:27,100 --> 02:16:30,100
at we could look at kind

4383
02:16:30,100 --> 02:16:31,100
of summaries of different

4384
02:16:31,100 --> 02:16:32,100
things that the council has

4385
02:16:32,100 --> 02:16:33,100
done. I would take a look

4386
02:16:33,100 --> 02:16:34,100
at it as far as how it reads.

4387
02:16:34,100 --> 02:16:36,100
Again, pushing out information

4388
02:16:36,100 --> 02:16:38,100
that potentially has been asked

4389
02:16:38,100 --> 02:16:39,100
for in the public versus

4390
02:16:39,100 --> 02:16:41,100
anything that sounds like a

4391
02:16:41,100 --> 02:16:42,100
campaign or a definitely you

4392
02:16:42,100 --> 02:16:44,100
wouldn't see anything that vote

4393
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:45,100
yes on or anything like that.

4394
02:16:45,100 --> 02:16:47,100
And we would look

4395
02:16:47,100 --> 02:16:48,100
at language to, to, to make

4396
02:16:48,100 --> 02:16:49,100
sure that it doesn't cross kind

4397
02:16:49,100 --> 02:16:50,100
of across the line and it would

4398
02:16:50,100 --> 02:16:52,100
just be information.

4399
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:54,100
>> Similar to some of the

4400
02:16:54,100 --> 02:16:56,100
frequently asked questions that

4401
02:16:56,100 --> 02:16:57,100
we currently have posted

4402
02:16:57,100 --> 02:16:58,100
on the website. Those are

4403
02:16:58,100 --> 02:16:59,100
questions that we've heard

4404
02:16:59,100 --> 02:17:01,100
over the process

4405
02:17:02,100 --> 02:17:03,100
over the past 6 to 8 months,

4406
02:17:03,100 --> 02:17:04,100
and we've provided those

4407
02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:06,100
answers factually and include

4408
02:17:06,100 --> 02:17:08,401
those on the website.

4409
02:17:10,100 --> 02:17:13,100
>> And if there were any

4410
02:17:16,100 --> 02:17:17,100
others,

4411
02:17:17,100 --> 02:17:18,100
we could do that as well.

4412
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:19,100
>> Okay.

4413
02:17:19,100 --> 02:17:20,100
>> All right, I guess

4414
02:17:20,100 --> 02:17:22,100
>> If I could, Mayor, just

4415
02:17:22,100 --> 02:17:23,100
to clarify, I believe that I

4416
02:17:23,100 --> 02:17:26,100
heard that there was some

4417
02:17:27,100 --> 02:17:29,401
council consensus that the

4418
02:17:37,100 --> 02:17:38,100
argument on behalf

4419
02:17:38,100 --> 02:17:41,100
of the council could be

4420
02:17:44,100 --> 02:17:46,100
Provided through Rosa and Sam.

4421
02:17:46,100 --> 02:17:47,100
I'm sorry, Council the Mayor

4422
02:17:47,100 --> 02:17:48,100
and Council Member Salmon.

4423
02:17:48,100 --> 02:17:49,100
>> You're good with that?

4424
02:17:49,100 --> 02:17:50,100
>> I didn't.

4425
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:52,100
>> I heard it.

4426
02:17:52,100 --> 02:17:53,100
>> You and I

4427
02:17:53,100 --> 02:17:54,100
to do the argument

4428
02:17:54,100 --> 02:17:57,601
for argument, and we can ask

4429
02:17:58,100 --> 02:18:00,100
for assistance for facts.

4430
02:18:00,100 --> 02:18:01,100
>> If there's information

4431
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:02,100
regarding just facts that you

4432
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,100
have that that that are

4433
02:18:04,100 --> 02:18:05,100
available, those are. Those are

4434
02:18:05,100 --> 02:18:06,100
readily available to anybody,

4435
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:07,100
to members of the public. If

4436
02:18:07,100 --> 02:18:08,100
anybody wanted

4437
02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:09,100
to ask questions, of course we

4438
02:18:09,100 --> 02:18:10,100
would normally answer

4439
02:18:10,100 --> 02:18:11,100
questions,

4440
02:18:11,100 --> 02:18:13,100
factual questions.

4441
02:18:13,100 --> 02:18:14,100
>> The other council members

4442
02:18:14,100 --> 02:18:15,100
would they would not be able

4443
02:18:15,100 --> 02:18:16,100
to get a review

4444
02:18:16,100 --> 02:18:17,100
of the statement

4445
02:18:17,100 --> 02:18:18,100
until it's submitted and was at

4446
02:18:18,100 --> 02:18:19,100
the same time everyone else?

4447
02:18:19,100 --> 02:18:20,100
>> Correct.

4448
02:18:20,100 --> 02:18:21,100
>> Okay.

4449
02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:22,100
>> Right.

4450
02:18:22,100 --> 02:18:23,100
>> Just want to make sure.

4451
02:18:23,100 --> 02:18:24,100
>> Well, Carissa, are you

4452
02:18:24,100 --> 02:18:25,100
comfortable with me or would

4453
02:18:25,100 --> 02:18:26,100
you be more comfortable With

4454
02:18:26,100 --> 02:18:27,100
Tanya.

4455
02:18:27,100 --> 02:18:28,100
>> I, I'm thinking about the

4456
02:18:28,100 --> 02:18:29,100
ballot and I'm thinking about

4457
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:30,100
the people reading it and what

4458
02:18:30,100 --> 02:18:32,100
it would appear if it said

4459
02:18:32,100 --> 02:18:33,100
mayor and vice mayor. I don't

4460
02:18:33,100 --> 02:18:34,100
but I mean,

4461
02:18:34,100 --> 02:18:35,100
but you're well known,

4462
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:36,100
people respect you, so I,

4463
02:18:36,100 --> 02:18:37,100
I just I'm,

4464
02:18:37,100 --> 02:18:39,100
I'm okay either way.

4465
02:18:39,100 --> 02:18:40,100
>> If you're, if you feel that

4466
02:18:40,100 --> 02:18:41,100
strongly and you want

4467
02:18:41,100 --> 02:18:42,100
to be a part of it, vice mayor

4468
02:18:42,100 --> 02:18:43,100
has said that she would let you

4469
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:44,100
do it. Is okay,

4470
02:18:44,100 --> 02:18:45,100
so that I'm fine. So yeah,

4471
02:18:45,100 --> 02:18:46,100
you want to be a part

4472
02:18:46,100 --> 02:18:48,100
of it?

4473
02:18:50,100 --> 02:18:51,100
>> I would.

4474
02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:52,100
>> Okay, let's do it then.

4475
02:18:52,100 --> 02:18:53,100
>> Okay.

4476
02:18:53,100 --> 02:18:54,100
>> Is that fine? So, we're

4477
02:18:54,100 --> 02:18:55,100
good?

4478
02:18:55,100 --> 02:18:56,100
>> Yeah?

4479
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:57,100
>> Okay. So.

4480
02:18:57,100 --> 02:18:58,100
>> I think we can answer your

4481
02:18:58,100 --> 02:18:59,100
question.

4482
02:18:59,100 --> 02:19:02,100
>> No, we can't. The public

4483
02:19:03,100 --> 02:19:04,100
comment's closed. Sorry. I

4484
02:19:04,100 --> 02:19:06,100
would've, yeah.

4485
02:19:06,100 --> 02:19:07,100
>> Are we, is someone ready

4486
02:19:07,100 --> 02:19:09,401
to make a motion,

4487
02:19:16,100 --> 02:19:19,100
or do you guys want

4488
02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:20,100
to discuss?

4489
02:19:20,100 --> 02:19:21,100
>> And I think, Rosa, could I

4490
02:19:21,100 --> 02:19:22,100
ask one more question?

4491
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:24,100
>> Of course.

4492
02:19:24,100 --> 02:19:26,100
>> This Rosa and I,

4493
02:19:26,100 --> 02:19:29,601
as we can engage the community

4494
02:19:30,100 --> 02:19:33,100
in writing this, that's the

4495
02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:36,100
question. I can't see why not.

4496
02:19:36,100 --> 02:19:37,100
>> If you've had questions

4497
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:38,100
for the community

4498
02:19:38,100 --> 02:19:39,100
in your writing

4499
02:19:39,100 --> 02:19:41,100
of an argument, I mean,

4500
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:42,100
that is up

4501
02:19:42,100 --> 02:19:44,100
to I'll leave that up

4502
02:19:44,100 --> 02:19:47,100
to you if you wanted

4503
02:19:47,100 --> 02:19:49,100
to ask questions,

4504
02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:51,100
but that is an art. That's if

4505
02:19:51,100 --> 02:19:53,100
you needed additional

4506
02:19:54,100 --> 02:19:56,100
information.

4507
02:19:56,100 --> 02:19:58,100
>> I just want to yeah; I just

4508
02:19:58,100 --> 02:20:02,100
want if we look at that and an

4509
02:20:02,100 --> 02:20:03,100
organization comes forward and

4510
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:04,100
we can engage them.

4511
02:20:04,100 --> 02:20:05,100
>> Okay.

4512
02:20:05,100 --> 02:20:06,100
>> You also have as designated

4513
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:07,100
to write the argument,

4514
02:20:07,100 --> 02:20:09,100
there are also, I will point

4515
02:20:09,100 --> 02:20:10,100
out,

4516
02:20:10,100 --> 02:20:11,100
the argument can be signed by

4517
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:12,100
5 individuals. Usually what you

4518
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:13,100
have in a lot of jurisdictions

4519
02:20:13,100 --> 02:20:14,100
is you have it could be members

4520
02:20:14,100 --> 02:20:17,100
of the public that could sign

4521
02:20:17,100 --> 02:20:19,100
the argument as well. But I

4522
02:20:19,100 --> 02:20:20,100
know that those election rules

4523
02:20:20,100 --> 02:20:21,100
are in the elections office

4524
02:20:21,100 --> 02:20:22,100
for writing

4525
02:20:22,100 --> 02:20:23,100
of arguments and arguments

4526
02:20:23,100 --> 02:20:25,100
against as well,

4527
02:20:25,100 --> 02:20:26,100
and rebuttals. Those are the

4528
02:20:26,100 --> 02:20:27,100
elections official would have

4529
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:28,100
the rules. on,

4530
02:20:28,100 --> 02:20:30,100
on those arguments.

4531
02:20:36,100 --> 02:20:38,100
>> Okay, so yeah, okay,

4532
02:20:38,100 --> 02:20:39,100
so it can be signed by 5.

4533
02:20:39,100 --> 02:20:40,100
>> Yeah, that's we will need

4534
02:20:40,100 --> 02:20:41,100
to we'll need assistance

4535
02:20:41,100 --> 02:20:43,100
in terms of, you know,

4536
02:20:43,100 --> 02:20:46,601
finding how to make the, okay,

4537
02:20:49,100 --> 02:20:51,401
the most accurate statement.

4538
02:20:53,100 --> 02:20:55,100
>> Hey, Mayor? Yes,

4539
02:20:56,100 --> 02:20:57,100
Councilmember Wall.

4540
02:20:57,100 --> 02:20:58,100
>> So, before we,

4541
02:20:58,100 --> 02:20:59,100
before we close discussion,

4542
02:20:59,100 --> 02:21:01,100
and, and I know you're going

4543
02:21:01,100 --> 02:21:05,801
to move to a To ask for a

4544
02:21:09,100 --> 02:21:10,100
statement or a resolution. Are

4545
02:21:10,100 --> 02:21:11,100
we still having discussion

4546
02:21:11,100 --> 02:21:12,100
here?

4547
02:21:12,100 --> 02:21:13,100
>> Yeah, we're still having

4548
02:21:13,100 --> 02:21:14,100
discussion. I was yeah.

4549
02:21:14,100 --> 02:21:15,100
>> So, can I, if you don't

4550
02:21:15,100 --> 02:21:16,100
mind, I'd just like

4551
02:21:16,100 --> 02:21:18,100
to share that I just want to

4552
02:21:18,100 --> 02:21:20,100
make sure that folks know that

4553
02:21:20,100 --> 02:21:22,401
there's a significant portion

4554
02:21:25,100 --> 02:21:26,100
of the population in Windsor,

4555
02:21:26,100 --> 02:21:28,100
by polling data and just

4556
02:21:28,100 --> 02:21:30,100
by anecdotal conversations,

4557
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:34,100
that is not in favor of this,

4558
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:35,100
right? So, we know that, and

4559
02:21:35,100 --> 02:21:36,100
that's why we go that's why we

4560
02:21:36,100 --> 02:21:38,100
want to vote on this,

4561
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:39,100
and that's why I was in favor

4562
02:21:39,100 --> 02:21:41,100
of putting this

4563
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:43,100
on the ballot,

4564
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:44,100
even though I'm not in favor

4565
02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:45,100
of it passing, because I want

4566
02:21:45,100 --> 02:21:46,100
transparency and I want people

4567
02:21:46,100 --> 02:21:47,100
to have the voice. I just want

4568
02:21:47,100 --> 02:21:49,100
to make sure that everyone

4569
02:21:49,100 --> 02:21:50,100
knows that, you know,

4570
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:52,100
the reason a lot of folks are

4571
02:21:52,100 --> 02:21:54,100
against this is because a

4572
02:21:54,100 --> 02:21:57,601
couple of things. One is that

4573
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:01,100
every single ballot measure not

4574
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:02,100
every single, sorry,

4575
02:22:02,100 --> 02:22:03,100
that's an exaggeration. Almost

4576
02:22:03,100 --> 02:22:04,100
every single ballot measure

4577
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:05,100
for the last 20 years has had a

4578
02:22:05,100 --> 02:22:07,100
tax increase proposed on it.

4579
02:22:07,100 --> 02:22:10,100
And there's always a great

4580
02:22:10,100 --> 02:22:11,100
reason. It's early childhood

4581
02:22:11,100 --> 02:22:13,100
education. It's we need

4582
02:22:13,100 --> 02:22:14,100
to fix the schools. It's we

4583
02:22:14,100 --> 02:22:16,100
need

4584
02:22:16,100 --> 02:22:17,100
to fund the fire department.

4585
02:22:17,100 --> 02:22:19,100
And there's always a great,

4586
02:22:19,100 --> 02:22:20,100
like, you know, philosophical

4587
02:22:20,100 --> 02:22:22,401
bleeding-heart reason why we

4588
02:22:24,100 --> 02:22:25,100
need more taxes.

4589
02:22:25,100 --> 02:22:26,100
But I'm just going to,

4590
02:22:26,100 --> 02:22:28,100
for the record, I just want

4591
02:22:28,100 --> 02:22:29,100
to run through,

4592
02:22:29,100 --> 02:22:30,100
and if you'll tolerate me,

4593
02:22:30,100 --> 02:22:31,100
I greatly appreciate it,

4594
02:22:31,100 --> 02:22:33,100
and I'll be quick. Here's just

4595
02:22:33,100 --> 02:22:34,100
a list

4596
02:22:34,100 --> 02:22:35,100
of the taxes we currently pay,

4597
02:22:35,100 --> 02:22:37,100
and I think it's important

4598
02:22:37,100 --> 02:22:40,100
for the record. So currently,

4599
02:22:40,100 --> 02:22:42,100
if you live in Windsor, you are

4600
02:22:42,100 --> 02:22:43,100
subject

4601
02:22:43,100 --> 02:22:44,100
to federal income tax, the

4602
02:22:44,100 --> 02:22:46,100
California state income tax,

4603
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:47,100
Social Security tax,

4604
02:22:47,100 --> 02:22:48,100
Medicare, an additional

4605
02:22:48,100 --> 02:22:50,100
Medicare tax if you're a

4606
02:22:50,100 --> 02:22:51,100
high-wage earner,

4607
02:22:51,100 --> 02:22:52,100
federal long-term capital gains

4608
02:22:52,100 --> 02:22:54,100
tax, the California tax

4609
02:22:54,100 --> 02:22:55,100
on capital gains,

4610
02:22:55,100 --> 02:22:56,100
net investment income taxes,

4611
02:22:56,100 --> 02:22:58,100
property taxes,

4612
02:23:00,100 --> 02:23:01,100
which is a big one for us.

4613
02:23:01,100 --> 02:23:02,100
Obviously, everyone knows

4614
02:23:02,100 --> 02:23:04,100
property taxes, the Mello-Roos

4615
02:23:04,100 --> 02:23:06,100
special assessments, parcel

4616
02:23:06,100 --> 02:23:08,100
taxes, California's the,

4617
02:23:10,100 --> 02:23:13,100
the sales tax for California.

4618
02:23:13,100 --> 02:23:15,401
We have vehicle registrations,

4619
02:23:16,100 --> 02:23:17,100
vehicle license fees,

4620
02:23:17,100 --> 02:23:19,100
transportation improvement

4621
02:23:19,100 --> 02:23:22,100
fees, smog inspection fees. If

4622
02:23:23,100 --> 02:23:24,100
you have, like me, a dog,

4623
02:23:24,100 --> 02:23:25,100
you got dog license fees,

4624
02:23:25,100 --> 02:23:26,100
fishing license, hunting

4625
02:23:26,100 --> 02:23:28,100
license, business license,

4626
02:23:30,100 --> 02:23:32,100
concealed carry permit fees,

4627
02:23:32,100 --> 02:23:33,100
federal estate taxes, gift

4628
02:23:33,100 --> 02:23:35,100
taxes,

4629
02:23:35,100 --> 02:23:36,100
early retirement withdrawal

4630
02:23:36,100 --> 02:23:37,100
penalties, federal fuel taxes,

4631
02:23:37,100 --> 02:23:39,100
California fuel taxes,

4632
02:23:40,100 --> 02:23:41,100
and alcohol excise taxes.

4633
02:23:41,100 --> 02:23:42,100
Tobacco taxes,

4634
02:23:42,100 --> 02:23:43,100
cannabis taxes. We got TOT,

4635
02:23:43,100 --> 02:23:46,100
obviously, if you stay here.

4636
02:23:47,100 --> 02:23:48,100
We got the 911 surcharge, boat

4637
02:23:48,100 --> 02:23:50,100
registration,

4638
02:23:50,100 --> 02:23:53,601
and there's more. I'm not going

4639
02:23:54,100 --> 02:23:56,100
to take everyone's whole night.

4640
02:23:56,100 --> 02:23:58,100
It goes on and on. There's

4641
02:23:58,100 --> 02:24:00,100
building permits,

4642
02:24:00,100 --> 02:24:02,100
marriage and divorce fees,

4643
02:24:02,100 --> 02:24:03,100
passport fees,

4644
02:24:03,100 --> 02:24:04,100
professional licensing fees,

4645
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:05,100
Airbnb. We've talked

4646
02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:07,100
about this a ton. If you run an

4647
02:24:07,100 --> 02:24:09,100
Airbnb. You got trust and

4648
02:24:09,100 --> 02:24:11,401
estate taxes, payroll taxes,

4649
02:24:12,100 --> 02:24:14,100
property transfer taxes. I'm

4650
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:17,100
going to stop here. The list,

4651
02:24:17,100 --> 02:24:18,100
like,

4652
02:24:18,100 --> 02:24:19,100
the list is it's unbelievable.

4653
02:24:19,100 --> 02:24:22,100
It goes on and on. I'm

4654
02:24:22,100 --> 02:24:24,100
like not even a third

4655
02:24:24,100 --> 02:24:25,100
of the way through my list. So

4656
02:24:25,100 --> 02:24:26,100
I'm just going to leave it

4657
02:24:26,100 --> 02:24:29,100
there that this is why people

4658
02:24:29,100 --> 02:24:32,601
don't want another tax. And I

4659
02:24:33,100 --> 02:24:35,100
know we say Windsor's worth it

4660
02:24:35,100 --> 02:24:37,100
and we need it

4661
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:38,100
for this and we need it

4662
02:24:38,100 --> 02:24:39,100
for that.

4663
02:24:39,100 --> 02:24:40,100
At some point you have

4664
02:24:40,100 --> 02:24:41,100
to say no. And there's a big

4665
02:24:41,100 --> 02:24:42,100
portion

4666
02:24:42,100 --> 02:24:43,100
of people who are ready

4667
02:24:43,100 --> 02:24:44,100
to say no more. So that's my

4668
02:24:44,100 --> 02:24:46,100
soapbox and I'll get off

4669
02:24:46,100 --> 02:24:47,100
of it.

4670
02:24:47,100 --> 02:24:48,100
>> So, I really appreciate

4671
02:24:48,100 --> 02:24:49,100
that, but I do have

4672
02:24:49,100 --> 02:24:50,100
to do a rebuttal. A lot of

4673
02:24:50,100 --> 02:24:52,100
those were self-imposed

4674
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:53,100
expenses and a few

4675
02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:55,100
of those were something, stuff

4676
02:24:55,100 --> 02:24:56,100
that I don't have the luxury

4677
02:24:56,100 --> 02:24:57,100
of having that you mentioned.

4678
02:24:57,100 --> 02:24:58,100
They were for high-wage earners

4679
02:24:58,100 --> 02:25:00,100
and some kind of luxuries. Tax

4680
02:25:00,100 --> 02:25:02,100
stuff and boats and Yeah, don't

4681
02:25:02,100 --> 02:25:03,100
have the luxury. I'm not even

4682
02:25:03,100 --> 02:25:05,100
there.

4683
02:25:05,100 --> 02:25:08,100
>> Luxury of a dog, luxury

4684
02:25:12,100 --> 02:25:13,100
of wanting to go hunting.

4685
02:25:13,100 --> 02:25:14,100
Yeah, I get it.

4686
02:25:14,100 --> 02:25:15,100
>> So, thank you.

4687
02:25:15,100 --> 02:25:16,100
>> All taxes and fees.

4688
02:25:16,100 --> 02:25:17,100
But no, I actually think yeah,

4689
02:25:17,100 --> 02:25:18,100
no, I, I thank you. Thank you

4690
02:25:18,100 --> 02:25:19,100
for sharing that.

4691
02:25:19,100 --> 02:25:20,100
But I did have to anyways,

4692
02:25:20,100 --> 02:25:21,100
anyone else have a

4693
02:25:21,100 --> 02:25:22,100
>> That's not the point.

4694
02:25:22,100 --> 02:25:24,100
>> That's not this is not this

4695
02:25:24,100 --> 02:25:25,100
was not I didn't know this was

4696
02:25:25,100 --> 02:25:26,100
a rebuttal. I didn't know this

4697
02:25:26,100 --> 02:25:27,100
was a debate. I was just

4698
02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:28,100
sharing my...

4699
02:25:28,100 --> 02:25:29,100
>> It's a discussion.

4700
02:25:29,100 --> 02:25:30,100
>> If there's rebuttals,

4701
02:25:30,100 --> 02:25:31,100
I would love

4702
02:25:31,100 --> 02:25:32,100
to debate these.

4703
02:25:32,100 --> 02:25:33,100
>> All right, we're

4704
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:34,100
in line item by line item. And

4705
02:25:34,100 --> 02:25:36,401
discussion. So, I appreciate

4706
02:25:39,100 --> 02:25:42,100
it. Thank you. Anyone else want

4707
02:25:42,100 --> 02:25:44,100
to share some thoughts

4708
02:25:44,100 --> 02:25:45,100
before I request a motion?

4709
02:25:45,100 --> 02:25:46,100
>> Yes.

4710
02:25:46,100 --> 02:25:47,100
>> Yes, go ahead.

4711
02:25:47,100 --> 02:25:48,100
>> So, over my years I've been

4712
02:25:48,100 --> 02:25:49,100
involved in, I don't know,

4713
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:50,100
I'm going to guess 6 different

4714
02:25:50,100 --> 02:25:51,100
businesses, small ones,

4715
02:25:51,100 --> 02:25:52,100
women's retail,

4716
02:25:52,100 --> 02:25:53,100
nationwide computer retail

4717
02:25:53,100 --> 02:25:54,100
businesses, manufacturers,

4718
02:25:54,100 --> 02:25:56,100
and I've worked with a lot of

4719
02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:58,100
people. I've had so much fun

4720
02:25:58,100 --> 02:26:00,401
working with the people

4721
02:26:01,100 --> 02:26:04,100
in the government here in

4722
02:26:07,100 --> 02:26:09,100
Windsor because they are

4723
02:26:09,100 --> 02:26:10,100
honest, they're hardworking,

4724
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:11,100
they care about the town,

4725
02:26:11,100 --> 02:26:14,100
and they do a great job.

4726
02:26:14,100 --> 02:26:16,100
There's been a lot

4727
02:26:16,100 --> 02:26:18,100
of smack thrown

4728
02:26:19,100 --> 02:26:20,100
out here tonight not a lot,

4729
02:26:20,100 --> 02:26:22,100
but somewhat. And

4730
02:26:22,100 --> 02:26:23,100
to throw out, for example, the

4731
02:26:23,100 --> 02:26:26,100
town manager has been getting a

4732
02:26:26,100 --> 02:26:29,100
bonus. That's just not true.

4733
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:30,100
The town manager's salary is,

4734
02:26:30,100 --> 02:26:31,100
if I understand it correctly,

4735
02:26:31,100 --> 02:26:33,401
95% of the industry average

4736
02:26:34,100 --> 02:26:37,100
for his position. So, the

4737
02:26:38,100 --> 02:26:42,100
actual facts are not as so many

4738
02:26:42,100 --> 02:26:43,100
people portray them when they

4739
02:26:43,100 --> 02:26:44,100
put them out with nobody

4740
02:26:44,100 --> 02:26:45,100
to check, to fact-check

4741
02:26:45,100 --> 02:26:47,100
for them. So, when I came

4742
02:26:47,100 --> 02:26:48,100
in here,

4743
02:26:48,100 --> 02:26:51,100
the town was already trying

4744
02:26:51,100 --> 02:26:52,100
to figure out how to get the

4745
02:26:52,100 --> 02:26:54,401
taxes and the expenditures

4746
02:26:56,100 --> 02:26:57,100
in order. And the first

4747
02:26:57,100 --> 02:26:58,100
meeting, one of the very first

4748
02:26:58,100 --> 02:26:59,100
meetings I went to in April

4749
02:26:59,100 --> 02:27:00,100
of '25, was to analyze the

4750
02:27:00,100 --> 02:27:02,401
budgetary problems and attack

4751
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:07,100
this thing. And right

4752
02:27:07,100 --> 02:27:09,100
after the summer after that,

4753
02:27:09,100 --> 02:27:10,100
Town Manager John Davis and his

4754
02:27:10,100 --> 02:27:12,401
team went after it.

4755
02:27:14,100 --> 02:27:17,100
With a vengeance. And that has

4756
02:27:17,100 --> 02:27:19,100
been my experience as I have

4757
02:27:19,100 --> 02:27:21,401
been watching this business

4758
02:27:24,100 --> 02:27:26,100
of the Town of Windsor move

4759
02:27:26,100 --> 02:27:27,100
forward. And anyone who says to

4760
02:27:27,100 --> 02:27:29,100
the contrary does not

4761
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:31,100
understand what's actually

4762
02:27:31,100 --> 02:27:32,100
going on internally and the

4763
02:27:32,100 --> 02:27:34,100
analysis that is being done

4764
02:27:34,100 --> 02:27:36,100
in order

4765
02:27:37,100 --> 02:27:38,100
to bring the financial

4766
02:27:38,100 --> 02:27:40,401
situation of the town

4767
02:27:42,100 --> 02:27:43,100
in order. And I,

4768
02:27:43,100 --> 02:27:46,100
I fear I don't fear, actually,

4769
02:27:46,100 --> 02:27:48,100
because I believe that the tax

4770
02:27:48,100 --> 02:27:49,100
is going to pass. But I fear

4771
02:27:49,100 --> 02:27:50,100
the people who are gloom and

4772
02:27:50,100 --> 02:27:52,100
doom because they just simply

4773
02:27:52,100 --> 02:27:55,100
do not see what is actually

4774
02:27:55,100 --> 02:27:58,100
going on internally and what is

4775
02:27:58,100 --> 02:27:59,100
actually coming

4776
02:27:59,100 --> 02:28:00,100
down the road, and we're going

4777
02:28:00,100 --> 02:28:04,100
to go fix it. So, I want people

4778
02:28:04,100 --> 02:28:05,100
to be very sincere when they

4779
02:28:05,100 --> 02:28:07,401
analyze what's going on

4780
02:28:10,100 --> 02:28:12,100
in the government

4781
02:28:14,100 --> 02:28:15,100
in town.

4782
02:28:15,100 --> 02:28:17,100
>> Vice Mayor?

4783
02:28:18,100 --> 02:28:19,100
>> I love working here.

4784
02:28:19,100 --> 02:28:20,100
>> Vice Mayor?

4785
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:21,100
>> All right,

4786
02:28:21,100 --> 02:28:22,100
thank you. I want

4787
02:28:22,100 --> 02:28:24,100
to thank all the new group,

4788
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:25,100
the Concerned Citizens of

4789
02:28:25,100 --> 02:28:26,100
Windsor. I appreciate you guys

4790
02:28:26,100 --> 02:28:27,100
coming and giving public

4791
02:28:27,100 --> 02:28:28,100
comment. And Councilmember

4792
02:28:28,100 --> 02:28:29,100
Wall knows that I agree

4793
02:28:29,100 --> 02:28:31,100
with him

4794
02:28:32,100 --> 02:28:33,100
on taxes. I hate the amount

4795
02:28:33,100 --> 02:28:36,100
of federal income tax I have

4796
02:28:36,100 --> 02:28:38,100
to pay because it's,

4797
02:28:38,100 --> 02:28:39,100
it's established not on some

4798
02:28:39,100 --> 02:28:41,100
of the incomes that we have

4799
02:28:41,100 --> 02:28:42,100
in the state of California.

4800
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:43,100
So, we are taxed more because

4801
02:28:43,100 --> 02:28:45,100
we have higher incomes here

4802
02:28:45,100 --> 02:28:46,100
in California. Plus we also

4803
02:28:46,100 --> 02:28:47,100
have our California state

4804
02:28:47,100 --> 02:28:48,100
income tax,

4805
02:28:48,100 --> 02:28:49,100
which is not being spent

4806
02:28:49,100 --> 02:28:50,100
in any way the way that I would

4807
02:28:50,100 --> 02:28:52,100
like for it to be spent. But

4808
02:28:52,100 --> 02:28:53,100
the reason why I support this

4809
02:28:53,100 --> 02:28:54,100
local tax is because it's just

4810
02:28:54,100 --> 02:28:55,100
that it's local, and I do

4811
02:28:55,100 --> 02:28:56,100
support my local town. I don't

4812
02:28:56,100 --> 02:28:57,100
like the way that my federal

4813
02:28:57,100 --> 02:28:58,100
taxes are being spent or my

4814
02:28:58,100 --> 02:28:59,100
state taxes,

4815
02:28:59,100 --> 02:29:00,100
but I know that here

4816
02:29:00,100 --> 02:29:02,100
in the town of Windsor we have

4817
02:29:02,100 --> 02:29:04,100
a say and we can say what

4818
02:29:04,100 --> 02:29:05,100
happens, and we do listen

4819
02:29:05,100 --> 02:29:08,100
to our constituents, and we

4820
02:29:08,100 --> 02:29:09,100
have made significant changes

4821
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:11,100
in the way that we do things.

4822
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:12,100
And we listen I listen to

4823
02:29:12,100 --> 02:29:14,100
Betsy every single meeting,

4824
02:29:14,100 --> 02:29:15,100
and I appreciate the feedback.

4825
02:29:15,100 --> 02:29:19,100
And we ask for as much feedback

4826
02:29:19,100 --> 02:29:21,401
as we can get

4827
02:29:22,100 --> 02:29:23,100
from our constituents here,

4828
02:29:23,100 --> 02:29:24,100
because what you want is

4829
02:29:24,100 --> 02:29:26,100
important. But also,

4830
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:28,100
there is a money problem,

4831
02:29:28,100 --> 02:29:29,100
and we have been making cuts

4832
02:29:29,100 --> 02:29:30,100
for a long time. When I first

4833
02:29:30,100 --> 02:29:33,100
came onto council 4 years ago,

4834
02:29:34,100 --> 02:29:36,100
we were watching very closely

4835
02:29:36,100 --> 02:29:37,100
because right,

4836
02:29:37,100 --> 02:29:39,100
that was right coming out of

4837
02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:41,100
COVID and there was significant

4838
02:29:41,100 --> 02:29:42,100
inflation and there were a lot

4839
02:29:42,100 --> 02:29:43,100
of problems across all sorts

4840
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:46,601
of money issues. There was a

4841
02:29:47,100 --> 02:29:48,100
huge reduction in our tourism

4842
02:29:48,100 --> 02:29:49,100
because we had everything was

4843
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:50,100
shut down. And so,

4844
02:29:50,100 --> 02:29:52,100
we had changes in our TOT taxes

4845
02:29:52,100 --> 02:29:54,100
and there was a lot

4846
02:29:54,100 --> 02:29:55,100
of fluctuation there. And so,

4847
02:29:55,100 --> 02:29:56,100
as the years have come, have

4848
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:57,100
continued, we have really

4849
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:58,100
pulled back because we've

4850
02:29:58,100 --> 02:30:00,100
watched trying

4851
02:30:01,100 --> 02:30:02,100
to watch the bounce back

4852
02:30:02,100 --> 02:30:04,100
from COVID the inflation,

4853
02:30:04,100 --> 02:30:05,100
the significant increases

4854
02:30:05,100 --> 02:30:07,100
in insurance,

4855
02:30:07,100 --> 02:30:09,401
and the increased cost

4856
02:30:11,100 --> 02:30:14,601
of asphalt. And so, trying to

4857
02:30:16,100 --> 02:30:17,100
manage those while not seeing

4858
02:30:17,100 --> 02:30:18,100
our revenue go up as high as

4859
02:30:18,100 --> 02:30:21,100
those costs have been is

4860
02:30:21,100 --> 02:30:22,100
significant. And we have made

4861
02:30:22,100 --> 02:30:24,100
those cuts. And I understand

4862
02:30:24,100 --> 02:30:26,401
that there's a concern.

4863
02:30:27,100 --> 02:30:28,100
>> Thank you.

4864
02:30:28,100 --> 02:30:29,100
>> I hate when other people

4865
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:30,100
spend the money that I worked

4866
02:30:30,100 --> 02:30:31,100
hard on. And

4867
02:30:31,100 --> 02:30:32,100
but here locally,

4868
02:30:32,100 --> 02:30:33,100
I believe that with our

4869
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:34,100
advisory commission that we're

4870
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:36,401
our advisory commission that

4871
02:30:42,100 --> 02:30:43,100
we're putting into play

4872
02:30:43,100 --> 02:30:44,100
with the tax measure, if it's

4873
02:30:44,100 --> 02:30:46,100
to pass,

4874
02:30:46,100 --> 02:30:47,100
and the community input that we

4875
02:30:47,100 --> 02:30:48,100
have, we can make the changes

4876
02:30:48,100 --> 02:30:49,100
that are going to address the

4877
02:30:49,100 --> 02:30:51,401
deficits that we have.

4878
02:30:53,100 --> 02:30:54,100
>> Thank you.

4879
02:30:54,100 --> 02:30:57,100
>> And I think that's what

4880
02:30:58,100 --> 02:30:59,100
we're going

4881
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:00,100
to do. the significant amount

4882
02:31:00,100 --> 02:31:01,100
of deferred maintenance that we

4883
02:31:01,100 --> 02:31:02,100
have accumulated

4884
02:31:02,100 --> 02:31:03,100
over the last couple

4885
02:31:03,100 --> 02:31:04,100
of years because we've had

4886
02:31:04,100 --> 02:31:05,100
to put those things aside. And

4887
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:06,100
even that, even the amount of

4888
02:31:06,100 --> 02:31:07,100
money that we project that we

4889
02:31:07,100 --> 02:31:08,100
will get with a 1% sales tax

4890
02:31:08,100 --> 02:31:09,100
doesn't 100% fix the deferred

4891
02:31:09,100 --> 02:31:10,100
maintenance. There's going

4892
02:31:10,100 --> 02:31:11,100
to have

4893
02:31:11,100 --> 02:31:13,100
to be more cuts going forward.

4894
02:31:13,100 --> 02:31:15,100
Even if we have a tax measure,

4895
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:16,100
we are going to have

4896
02:31:16,100 --> 02:31:17,100
to make cuts and we are going

4897
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:18,100
to have to change and make more

4898
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:19,100
efficiencies because we can't

4899
02:31:19,100 --> 02:31:20,100
just and this is a problem that

4900
02:31:20,100 --> 02:31:21,100
I talk about with my coworkers

4901
02:31:21,100 --> 02:31:24,100
because I see huge problems

4902
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:27,100
with Santa Rosa where you can't

4903
02:31:27,100 --> 02:31:28,100
just continue down this road

4904
02:31:28,100 --> 02:31:29,100
without making changes. Like,

4905
02:31:29,100 --> 02:31:31,100
we're asking

4906
02:31:32,100 --> 02:31:33,100
for a tax measure,

4907
02:31:33,100 --> 02:31:35,100
but we're not going

4908
02:31:35,100 --> 02:31:36,100
to keep asking

4909
02:31:36,100 --> 02:31:37,100
for tax measures. The state

4910
02:31:37,100 --> 02:31:38,100
of California can't keep doing

4911
02:31:38,100 --> 02:31:39,100
that. We can't keep spending,

4912
02:31:39,100 --> 02:31:40,100
spending,

4913
02:31:40,100 --> 02:31:41,100
and then just raising taxes.

4914
02:31:41,100 --> 02:31:42,100
We have to make the changes,

4915
02:31:42,100 --> 02:31:43,100
and I want Windsor

4916
02:31:43,100 --> 02:31:44,100
to make those changes,

4917
02:31:44,100 --> 02:31:46,100
and that's my plan is

4918
02:31:46,100 --> 02:31:47,100
to make those changes,

4919
02:31:47,100 --> 02:31:48,100
and that's what I'm hoping

4920
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:49,100
for going forward,

4921
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:50,100
and I hope that I'll be able

4922
02:31:50,100 --> 02:31:51,100
to be part of that

4923
02:31:51,100 --> 02:31:52,100
for the next 2 years, is

4924
02:31:52,100 --> 02:31:54,100
to make significant changes

4925
02:31:54,100 --> 02:31:55,100
to address our issues,

4926
02:31:55,100 --> 02:31:57,100
to have a tax measure

4927
02:31:57,100 --> 02:31:58,100
to help us out with that and to

4928
02:31:58,100 --> 02:31:59,100
address our deferred

4929
02:31:59,100 --> 02:32:00,100
maintenance and to really

4930
02:32:00,100 --> 02:32:01,100
address our economic impact

4931
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:02,100
going forward and how we can

4932
02:32:02,100 --> 02:32:04,100
develop economically

4933
02:32:04,100 --> 02:32:06,100
to have more revenue for the

4934
02:32:06,100 --> 02:32:07,100
town so we never ever have

4935
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:09,100
to ask

4936
02:32:12,100 --> 02:32:14,100
for a tax measure again. And

4937
02:32:14,100 --> 02:32:15,100
hopefully in the future the

4938
02:32:15,100 --> 02:32:16,100
residents do repeal it. That

4939
02:32:16,100 --> 02:32:17,100
would be, that would be

4940
02:32:17,100 --> 02:32:18,100
like a once

4941
02:32:18,100 --> 02:32:19,100
in a lifetime ever happening

4942
02:32:19,100 --> 02:32:21,100
in the state of California

4943
02:32:21,100 --> 02:32:22,100
would be to have a town to

4944
02:32:22,100 --> 02:32:24,100
repeal a tax measure because

4945
02:32:24,100 --> 02:32:25,100
now there's,

4946
02:32:25,100 --> 02:32:26,100
now there's a reason. And I

4947
02:32:26,100 --> 02:32:27,100
would love to have

4948
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:28,100
in the future be like staff is

4949
02:32:28,100 --> 02:32:29,100
recommending a tax repeal.

4950
02:32:29,100 --> 02:32:31,100
That would be amazing, right?

4951
02:32:31,100 --> 02:32:32,100
And so, I want to be part

4952
02:32:32,100 --> 02:32:33,100
of those goals.

4953
02:32:33,100 --> 02:32:34,100
But right this minute, because

4954
02:32:34,100 --> 02:32:35,100
of some

4955
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:36,100
of the turmoil that we've had

4956
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:37,100
over the past you know, 6, 7

4957
02:32:37,100 --> 02:32:38,100
years, we have more going

4958
02:32:38,100 --> 02:32:39,100
out than we have coming in.

4959
02:32:39,100 --> 02:32:41,100
And that's not poor

4960
02:32:41,100 --> 02:32:42,100
stewardship. It's been just a

4961
02:32:42,100 --> 02:32:45,100
whole roller coaster. And so,

4962
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:46,100
I am asking

4963
02:32:46,100 --> 02:32:47,100
for this tax measure,

4964
02:32:47,100 --> 02:32:48,100
and I am asking for the trust

4965
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:49,100
in the community that we will

4966
02:32:49,100 --> 02:32:50,100
spend it,

4967
02:32:50,100 --> 02:32:51,100
that we will spend it wisely

4968
02:32:51,100 --> 02:32:52,100
with the direction

4969
02:32:52,100 --> 02:32:55,100
of the community. And so

4970
02:32:55,100 --> 02:32:56,100
that's, that's my hope.

4971
02:32:56,100 --> 02:32:58,100
>> Councilmember Salmon?

4972
02:33:00,100 --> 02:33:01,100
>> Yeah, I wanted

4973
02:33:01,100 --> 02:33:03,100
to just the issue of the

4974
02:33:03,100 --> 02:33:05,100
10-year a 10-year sunset. And I

4975
02:33:05,100 --> 02:33:07,100
guess the question, I, you

4976
02:33:07,100 --> 02:33:08,100
know, would you change your no

4977
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:11,100
vote if we had a 10-year

4978
02:33:11,100 --> 02:33:13,100
sunset? Would you change your

4979
02:33:13,100 --> 02:33:15,100
no vote if we had a 5-year?

4980
02:33:15,100 --> 02:33:18,100
And I see one hand, but I think

4981
02:33:18,100 --> 02:33:19,100
that the analysis is that no,

4982
02:33:19,100 --> 02:33:21,100
that that's not really going

4983
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:24,100
to be the key. And I think

4984
02:33:24,100 --> 02:33:25,100
tonight it's pretty obvious the

4985
02:33:25,100 --> 02:33:28,601
key is going to be 5 years.

4986
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:31,100
The council,

4987
02:33:31,100 --> 02:33:33,100
and that means going back to

4988
02:33:33,100 --> 02:33:34,100
2021, has been negligent in

4989
02:33:34,100 --> 02:33:35,100
their financing and their duty.

4990
02:33:35,100 --> 02:33:36,100
And that's what's going

4991
02:33:36,100 --> 02:33:37,100
to be presented. And that's why

4992
02:33:37,100 --> 02:33:38,100
we can't take a tax is because

4993
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:40,401
you get the money,

4994
02:33:43,100 --> 02:33:44,100
you're just going to continue

4995
02:33:44,100 --> 02:33:47,100
to spend it negligently. And

4996
02:33:50,100 --> 02:33:53,100
that's what will gather the

4997
02:33:56,100 --> 02:33:57,100
votes. Citizens for Concerned

4998
02:33:57,100 --> 02:33:58,100
Citizens for Windsor. I got

4999
02:33:58,100 --> 02:34:00,100
on council in the same

5000
02:34:00,100 --> 02:34:03,100
Citizens for Better Windsor and

5001
02:34:03,100 --> 02:34:04,100
was elected based on not me

5002
02:34:04,100 --> 02:34:06,100
but on that issue, and that's

5003
02:34:06,100 --> 02:34:08,100
what we'll be looking at. And I

5004
02:34:08,100 --> 02:34:09,100
think we just want you know the

5005
02:34:09,100 --> 02:34:12,100
idea is people are there's

5006
02:34:13,100 --> 02:34:14,100
going to be a great number

5007
02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:15,100
of people that are

5008
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:18,601
against taxes. And I just, you

5009
02:34:24,100 --> 02:34:25,100
know, it'll be hard not to get

5010
02:34:25,100 --> 02:34:28,601
defensive if when you say, you

5011
02:34:29,100 --> 02:34:31,100
know, I was

5012
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:33,100
on council the whole time,

5013
02:34:33,100 --> 02:34:36,601
so you're pointing at me. You

5014
02:34:38,100 --> 02:34:40,100
know, I work, we work

5015
02:34:40,100 --> 02:34:41,100
with staff as a team. We're

5016
02:34:41,100 --> 02:34:43,100
part of that team

5017
02:34:43,100 --> 02:34:44,100
to a certain extent. And it's

5018
02:34:44,100 --> 02:34:47,100
important that we support staff

5019
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:52,601
and support the efforts. And I

5020
02:34:53,100 --> 02:34:55,100
think I've done the best I can.

5021
02:34:55,100 --> 02:34:56,100
I'm certainly far

5022
02:34:56,100 --> 02:34:58,100
from perfect, but it seems

5023
02:34:58,100 --> 02:35:01,100
like we presented the argument.

5024
02:35:03,100 --> 02:35:04,100
We'll present the argument to

5025
02:35:04,100 --> 02:35:06,100
people and they'll have that

5026
02:35:06,100 --> 02:35:07,100
choice. In the Press Democrat

5027
02:35:07,100 --> 02:35:09,100
just this afternoon,

5028
02:35:10,100 --> 02:35:11,100
the latest article, Santa

5029
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:12,100
Rosa's going

5030
02:35:12,100 --> 02:35:15,100
to put a tax measure

5031
02:35:15,100 --> 02:35:16,100
on their ballot in November

5032
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:19,100
And go to 10.5% if approved.

5033
02:35:19,100 --> 02:35:21,100
They're at 10.25% now,

5034
02:35:23,100 --> 02:35:24,100
but that quarter cent is going

5035
02:35:24,100 --> 02:35:26,100
to run out. So, they will be

5036
02:35:26,100 --> 02:35:27,100
equal if it passes with

5037
02:35:27,100 --> 02:35:29,100
Sebastopol, which is

5038
02:35:29,100 --> 02:35:32,601
over the state limit. So, it's

5039
02:35:33,100 --> 02:35:35,100
hard to deal

5040
02:35:39,100 --> 02:35:40,100
with the inflation and cost

5041
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:43,100
of things and say, You were

5042
02:35:43,100 --> 02:35:45,100
negligent, Sam,

5043
02:35:45,100 --> 02:35:47,100
in the councils you were on.

5044
02:35:47,100 --> 02:35:49,100
Especially if I look

5045
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:50,100
out and see a lot of people

5046
02:35:50,100 --> 02:35:52,100
that are saying that have

5047
02:35:52,100 --> 02:35:53,100
they're not the ones that are

5048
02:35:53,100 --> 02:35:54,100
going to suffer

5049
02:35:54,100 --> 02:35:56,100
from a 1% sales tax. You're not

5050
02:35:56,100 --> 02:35:59,100
going to feel it. Sorry. I'm

5051
02:35:59,100 --> 02:36:01,100
not going to feel it. Sorry.

5052
02:36:01,100 --> 02:36:04,100
>> Okay. So, I believe that

5053
02:36:08,100 --> 02:36:11,100
today's staff and council is

5054
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:12,100
way different. I, I know it is,

5055
02:36:12,100 --> 02:36:14,100
than the staff and council that

5056
02:36:14,100 --> 02:36:17,100
was here 5+ years past. It's,

5057
02:36:18,100 --> 02:36:19,100
it's so different.

5058
02:36:19,100 --> 02:36:21,100
>> Pretty different.

5059
02:36:22,100 --> 02:36:24,100
>> So different. And I want

5060
02:36:24,100 --> 02:36:25,100
to one of the first town

5061
02:36:25,100 --> 02:36:27,100
ribbon-cutting ceremonies that

5062
02:36:27,100 --> 02:36:28,100
I had,

5063
02:36:28,100 --> 02:36:29,100
they passed me a script and I'm

5064
02:36:29,100 --> 02:36:31,100
like, oh wow,

5065
02:36:31,100 --> 02:36:32,100
they included this

5066
02:36:32,100 --> 02:36:33,100
in the script. So, I stood

5067
02:36:33,100 --> 02:36:35,100
there at the roundabout

5068
02:36:35,100 --> 02:36:38,100
to read this script. And I had

5069
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:41,100
I mentioned the $300,000 a year

5070
02:36:43,100 --> 02:36:46,100
bond we have to pay for 30

5071
02:36:46,100 --> 02:36:48,100
years for that roundabout.

5072
02:36:48,100 --> 02:36:49,100
Now, I didn't vote

5073
02:36:49,100 --> 02:36:50,100
on that roundabout,

5074
02:36:50,100 --> 02:36:54,100
or I think I had to vote

5075
02:36:54,100 --> 02:36:55,100
on the final, final version.

5076
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:57,100
But anyways, somehow,

5077
02:36:57,100 --> 02:36:59,100
we got there to that,

5078
02:36:59,100 --> 02:37:00,100
to having to have that

5079
02:37:00,100 --> 02:37:02,100
beautiful roundabout

5080
02:37:02,100 --> 02:37:04,100
for that expensive,

5081
02:37:04,100 --> 02:37:06,401
expensive bill. And then

5082
02:37:07,100 --> 02:37:09,100
there's a property that was

5083
02:37:09,100 --> 02:37:10,100
purchased

5084
02:37:10,100 --> 02:37:11,100
with general fund money.

5085
02:37:11,100 --> 02:37:13,100
>> Yes.

5086
02:37:14,100 --> 02:37:15,100
>> That was again something

5087
02:37:15,100 --> 02:37:16,100
that as a resident I didn't

5088
02:37:16,100 --> 02:37:17,100
support. Today we get bids

5089
02:37:17,100 --> 02:37:18,100
for asphalt. The low bids,

5090
02:37:18,100 --> 02:37:19,100
they come in, residents hate

5091
02:37:19,100 --> 02:37:20,100
it, have

5092
02:37:20,100 --> 02:37:21,100
to go back and fix it. Right

5093
02:37:21,100 --> 02:37:22,100
now, people are arguing

5094
02:37:22,100 --> 02:37:23,100
about the flock, which I'm

5095
02:37:23,100 --> 02:37:24,100
listening, I'm listening

5096
02:37:24,100 --> 02:37:25,100
to them. They don't

5097
02:37:25,100 --> 02:37:27,100
like the flock cameras. They

5098
02:37:27,100 --> 02:37:28,100
want us to get rid

5099
02:37:28,100 --> 02:37:30,100
of the flock cameras. So, does

5100
02:37:30,100 --> 02:37:33,100
that mean we need to get more

5101
02:37:33,100 --> 02:37:35,401
police officers because we're

5102
02:37:38,100 --> 02:37:40,100
not going

5103
02:37:43,100 --> 02:37:44,100
to have that additional So

5104
02:37:44,100 --> 02:37:45,100
there's this whole game that

5105
02:37:45,100 --> 02:37:46,100
like, okay, you don't

5106
02:37:46,100 --> 02:37:47,100
like this,

5107
02:37:47,100 --> 02:37:48,100
so what's an alternative?

5108
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:49,100
But I just, I mean, again, it

5109
02:37:49,100 --> 02:37:52,100
does feel personal being told

5110
02:37:52,100 --> 02:37:53,100
that we're not doing a good

5111
02:37:53,100 --> 02:37:55,100
job, which I guess I have

5112
02:37:55,100 --> 02:37:56,100
to look back and reflect

5113
02:37:56,100 --> 02:37:57,100
on what I've done the last 4 or

5114
02:37:57,100 --> 02:37:58,100
5 years,

5115
02:37:58,100 --> 02:37:59,100
if not a good job.

5116
02:37:59,100 --> 02:38:01,100
>> Thank you.

5117
02:38:01,100 --> 02:38:03,100
>> But with finances. So,

5118
02:38:03,100 --> 02:38:06,100
but again, the beautiful part

5119
02:38:06,100 --> 02:38:07,100
of this, Council Member Wall,

5120
02:38:07,100 --> 02:38:08,100
is that again,

5121
02:38:08,100 --> 02:38:09,100
we're bringing it

5122
02:38:09,100 --> 02:38:10,100
to the residents. They're going

5123
02:38:10,100 --> 02:38:12,100
to vote. They have the ultimate

5124
02:38:12,100 --> 02:38:14,100
say. And this has been a long

5125
02:38:14,100 --> 02:38:16,100
process. And I've felt really

5126
02:38:16,100 --> 02:38:18,100
good about staff. I think you

5127
02:38:18,100 --> 02:38:19,100
guys did what,

5128
02:38:19,100 --> 02:38:21,100
with the money we had to spend

5129
02:38:21,100 --> 02:38:24,100
and all the salaried employees

5130
02:38:26,100 --> 02:38:28,401
worked extra, extra hard.

5131
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:31,100
There was no overtime pay.

5132
02:38:31,100 --> 02:38:33,100
Salaried employees did the

5133
02:38:33,100 --> 02:38:36,601
majority of the work. So, thank

5134
02:38:37,100 --> 02:38:38,100
you, thank you so much

5135
02:38:38,100 --> 02:38:40,100
to everyone for this. So

5136
02:38:40,100 --> 02:38:41,100
at this time, I'll leave it

5137
02:38:41,100 --> 02:38:42,100
with that and entertain a

5138
02:38:42,100 --> 02:38:43,100
motion.

5139
02:38:43,100 --> 02:38:44,100
>> You want me to state it?

5140
02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:46,100
>> Please.

5141
02:38:46,100 --> 02:38:48,100
>> I think I've got the

5142
02:38:48,100 --> 02:38:50,100
language in front of me.

5143
02:38:50,100 --> 02:38:52,100
>> And, and right here?

5144
02:38:52,100 --> 02:38:53,100
>> Yes, and there are 2

5145
02:38:53,100 --> 02:38:55,100
separate there's going to be 2

5146
02:38:55,100 --> 02:38:56,100
separate motions for today.

5147
02:38:56,100 --> 02:38:57,100
There's going

5148
02:38:57,100 --> 02:38:58,100
to be a resolution,

5149
02:38:58,100 --> 02:38:59,100
and then there's going

5150
02:38:59,100 --> 02:39:01,100
to be the introduction

5151
02:39:01,100 --> 02:39:02,100
of an ordinance. And just for,

5152
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:03,100
for the technical aspect

5153
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:04,100
of the ordinance, the ordinance

5154
02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:07,100
will be introduced today. The

5155
02:39:09,100 --> 02:39:11,100
ordinance will come back

5156
02:39:11,100 --> 02:39:14,100
for the second reading, just

5157
02:39:15,100 --> 02:39:17,401
like your ordinances normally

5158
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:25,100
do. However, the ordinance will

5159
02:39:25,100 --> 02:39:26,100
not take effect, will not be

5160
02:39:26,100 --> 02:39:27,100
in effect

5161
02:39:27,100 --> 02:39:29,100
until unless it's passed

5162
02:39:29,100 --> 02:39:31,100
by the voters. So that's

5163
02:39:31,100 --> 02:39:33,100
important to point out. Even

5164
02:39:33,100 --> 02:39:35,100
though it's looking

5165
02:39:35,100 --> 02:39:36,100
like it looks

5166
02:39:36,100 --> 02:39:37,100
like just a typical ordinance,

5167
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:39,100
the approval process,

5168
02:39:39,100 --> 02:39:40,100
it is contingent

5169
02:39:40,100 --> 02:39:41,100
on the voters' approval. So,

5170
02:39:41,100 --> 02:39:42,100
we'll go through that. The

5171
02:39:42,100 --> 02:39:43,100
resolution itself has the

5172
02:39:43,100 --> 02:39:44,100
authorization authorizing the

5173
02:39:44,100 --> 02:39:45,100
direct the authorizing the for

5174
02:39:45,100 --> 02:39:46,100
the ballot arguments and

5175
02:39:46,100 --> 02:39:47,100
authorizing town council

5176
02:39:47,100 --> 02:39:48,100
to designate members to prepare

5177
02:39:48,100 --> 02:39:49,100
primary arguments and rebuttal

5178
02:39:49,100 --> 02:39:51,100
in favor. To answer, um

5179
02:39:51,100 --> 02:39:52,100
Councilmember Wall's question,

5180
02:39:52,100 --> 02:39:54,100
theoretically, under the

5181
02:39:54,100 --> 02:39:56,401
Elections Code, the Elections

5182
02:39:59,100 --> 02:40:00,100
Code is written

5183
02:40:00,100 --> 02:40:02,100
in a way that if the body

5184
02:40:02,100 --> 02:40:03,100
wanted

5185
02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:05,401
to authorize other members

5186
02:40:07,100 --> 02:40:09,100
of the council

5187
02:40:09,100 --> 02:40:11,100
to write arguments against.

5188
02:40:11,100 --> 02:40:13,100
The issue with that obviously

5189
02:40:13,100 --> 02:40:14,100
is you're putting it wouldn't

5190
02:40:14,100 --> 02:40:16,401
be recommended usually because

5191
02:40:17,100 --> 02:40:18,100
if you're putting an item

5192
02:40:18,100 --> 02:40:19,100
on the ballot,

5193
02:40:19,100 --> 02:40:21,100
you're assuming the majority is

5194
02:40:21,100 --> 02:40:23,100
in favor, and that's why you

5195
02:40:23,100 --> 02:40:24,100
normally designate folks

5196
02:40:24,100 --> 02:40:25,100
to write an argument

5197
02:40:25,100 --> 02:40:27,401
in favor. Just wanted

5198
02:40:28,100 --> 02:40:30,100
to point that out. You wouldn't

5199
02:40:30,100 --> 02:40:31,100
be it opens up to arguments

5200
02:40:31,100 --> 02:40:32,100
of obviously of trying to

5201
02:40:32,100 --> 02:40:33,100
Trying to trying

5202
02:40:33,100 --> 02:40:34,100
to game the system

5203
02:40:34,100 --> 02:40:36,401
by controlling both arguments.

5204
02:40:39,100 --> 02:40:40,100
Therefore, members

5205
02:40:40,100 --> 02:40:41,100
of the public wouldn't be able

5206
02:40:41,100 --> 02:40:44,100
to write arguments against. I

5207
02:40:45,100 --> 02:40:46,100
don't mean to confuse the

5208
02:40:46,100 --> 02:40:47,100
issue. I just know it came up,

5209
02:40:47,100 --> 02:40:48,100
so I wanted to clarify because

5210
02:40:48,100 --> 02:40:50,100
the election code does have

5211
02:40:50,100 --> 02:40:51,100
that opening, but it's not

5212
02:40:51,100 --> 02:40:52,100
traditionally done because the

5213
02:40:52,100 --> 02:40:55,100
town council you control both

5214
02:40:55,100 --> 02:40:57,100
arguments. There's an argument

5215
02:40:57,100 --> 02:40:58,100
of do people that are

5216
02:40:58,100 --> 02:40:59,100
against it are they able

5217
02:40:59,100 --> 02:41:01,401
to actually? We argue

5218
02:41:02,100 --> 02:41:04,401
against it. So, 2 motions,

5219
02:41:06,100 --> 02:41:07,100
Councilmember.

5220
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:08,100
>> So, I understand that. Are

5221
02:41:08,100 --> 02:41:09,100
you saying that we're going

5222
02:41:09,100 --> 02:41:11,100
to have to we're going

5223
02:41:11,100 --> 02:41:12,100
to have an argument in favor,

5224
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:13,100
argument against, rebuttal

5225
02:41:13,100 --> 02:41:15,100
against the rebuttal

5226
02:41:15,100 --> 02:41:17,100
against the argument

5227
02:41:17,100 --> 02:41:18,100
in favor, and rebuttal against

5228
02:41:18,100 --> 02:41:20,100
the argument against?

5229
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:21,100
>> Yes, both sides get

5230
02:41:21,100 --> 02:41:22,100
to rebut.

5231
02:41:22,100 --> 02:41:23,100
>> In terms of the committee,

5232
02:41:23,100 --> 02:41:24,100
can there be does it have

5233
02:41:24,100 --> 02:41:26,100
to be the same 2 that write

5234
02:41:26,100 --> 02:41:27,100
Yeah, I think you said that.

5235
02:41:27,100 --> 02:41:28,100
>> Yes, that's what we're

5236
02:41:28,100 --> 02:41:29,100
working on.

5237
02:41:29,100 --> 02:41:30,100
>> And how about with the,

5238
02:41:30,100 --> 02:41:31,100
the opposition? The same rules

5239
02:41:31,100 --> 02:41:33,100
apply?

5240
02:41:33,100 --> 02:41:34,100
>> Yes, because it is, it is

5241
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:35,100
the, it's the, the,

5242
02:41:35,100 --> 02:41:36,100
the authors makes sense of the

5243
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:37,100
original arguments that get to

5244
02:41:37,100 --> 02:41:38,100
rebut the other arguments.

5245
02:41:38,100 --> 02:41:40,100
>> Okay, ready? I'd like

5246
02:41:40,100 --> 02:41:41,100
to motion

5247
02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:43,100
to adopt a resolution, one,

5248
02:41:43,100 --> 02:41:45,401
ordering that measures be

5249
02:41:47,100 --> 02:41:49,401
submitted to the voters

5250
02:41:53,100 --> 02:41:54,100
of the Town of Windsor general

5251
02:41:54,100 --> 02:41:55,100
municipal election to be held

5252
02:41:55,100 --> 02:41:56,100
on November 3rd, 2026, to

5253
02:41:56,100 --> 02:41:58,401
consider a 1% transaction and

5254
02:41:59,100 --> 02:42:01,401
use tax, also referring

5255
02:42:03,100 --> 02:42:06,100
to as a 1 cent per dollar. 2,

5256
02:42:06,100 --> 02:42:08,100
directing the town attorney

5257
02:42:08,100 --> 02:42:09,100
to prepare an impartial

5258
02:42:09,100 --> 02:42:11,401
analysis of the measure. 3,

5259
02:42:13,100 --> 02:42:14,100
provide for valid arguments and

5260
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:16,100
rebuttals, including authorize

5261
02:42:16,100 --> 02:42:17,100
the town council

5262
02:42:17,100 --> 02:42:18,100
to designate members to prepare

5263
02:42:18,100 --> 02:42:19,100
the preliminary argument and

5264
02:42:19,100 --> 02:42:20,100
rebuttal in favor

5265
02:42:20,100 --> 02:42:22,100
of the measure.

5266
02:42:22,100 --> 02:42:24,100
>> Second.

5267
02:42:26,100 --> 02:42:27,100
>> Consistent with Election

5268
02:42:27,100 --> 02:42:28,100
Code 9282-9285.

5269
02:42:28,100 --> 02:42:29,100
>> And, and that'll be it. And

5270
02:42:29,100 --> 02:42:30,100
that's

5271
02:42:30,100 --> 02:42:31,100
to clarify what will be filled

5272
02:42:31,100 --> 02:42:32,100
in council member,

5273
02:42:32,100 --> 02:42:34,100
is the mayor and

5274
02:42:34,100 --> 02:42:35,100
Councilmember Salmon as the 2

5275
02:42:35,100 --> 02:42:36,100
designated council members

5276
02:42:36,100 --> 02:42:38,100
to prepare the arguments. And

5277
02:42:38,100 --> 02:42:39,100
that's part

5278
02:42:39,100 --> 02:42:41,401
of the resolution? Correct.

5279
02:42:43,100 --> 02:42:46,601
That that will be filled up.

5280
02:42:47,100 --> 02:42:48,100
>> Yes. Can you just put it

5281
02:42:48,100 --> 02:42:49,100
in there? So, then the mayor

5282
02:42:49,100 --> 02:42:50,100
you.

5283
02:42:50,100 --> 02:42:52,100
>> So, do I have a second?

5284
02:42:52,100 --> 02:42:54,100
>> Second.

5285
02:42:57,100 --> 02:42:58,100
>> Roll call vote,

5286
02:42:58,100 --> 02:42:59,100
please.

5287
02:42:59,100 --> 02:43:01,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

5288
02:43:13,100 --> 02:43:14,100
>> Second, I'd like

5289
02:43:14,100 --> 02:43:15,100
to introduce an ordinance

5290
02:43:15,100 --> 02:43:16,100
of the Town of Windsor adding

5291
02:43:16,100 --> 02:43:18,100
Chapter Six to Title Two.

5292
02:43:18,100 --> 02:43:19,100
Of the Windsor Municipal

5293
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:20,100
Code, establishing a 1% general

5294
02:43:20,100 --> 02:43:21,100
transaction and use tax

5295
02:43:21,100 --> 02:43:24,100
to be administered by the

5296
02:43:24,100 --> 02:43:26,100
California Department of Tax

5297
02:43:26,100 --> 02:43:27,100
and Fee Administration, subject

5298
02:43:27,100 --> 02:43:28,100
to the approval of a majority

5299
02:43:28,100 --> 02:43:29,100
of qualified electors casting

5300
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:31,401
votes on November 3rd, 2026,

5301
02:43:33,100 --> 02:43:35,100
municipal election.

5302
02:43:38,100 --> 02:43:39,100
>> Do I have a second?

5303
02:43:39,100 --> 02:43:41,100
>> Second.

5304
02:43:41,100 --> 02:43:42,100
>> Roll call vote, please.

5305
02:43:42,100 --> 02:43:44,100
>> [ CALLING ROLL ]

5306
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:53,100
>> Thank you.

5307
02:43:53,100 --> 02:43:56,100
>> Thank you very much. Okay,

5308
02:43:59,100 --> 02:44:01,100
moving on. Individual

5309
02:44:02,100 --> 02:44:03,100
councilmember reports,

5310
02:44:03,100 --> 02:44:05,100
comments, reports,

5311
02:44:05,100 --> 02:44:06,100
meeting conferences. Who would

5312
02:44:06,100 --> 02:44:08,100
like to start?

5313
02:44:09,100 --> 02:44:12,100
>> I'll go ahead and start. I

5314
02:44:12,100 --> 02:44:13,100
went to Sonoma Clean Power

5315
02:44:13,100 --> 02:44:14,100
Board meeting the beginning

5316
02:44:14,100 --> 02:44:15,100
of the month, and Sonoma

5317
02:44:15,100 --> 02:44:16,100
Clean Power Board is working

5318
02:44:16,100 --> 02:44:19,100
on reducing their rates through

5319
02:44:20,100 --> 02:44:21,100
a rate reduction fund that they

5320
02:44:21,100 --> 02:44:23,100
carry. And that is

5321
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:26,100
to help bring rates down

5322
02:44:26,100 --> 02:44:29,100
because PG&E has lowered their

5323
02:44:29,100 --> 02:44:31,100
rates because they overcharged

5324
02:44:31,100 --> 02:44:33,100
for several years. And so, those

5325
02:44:33,100 --> 02:44:34,100
rates are being smoothed out,

5326
02:44:34,100 --> 02:44:35,100
and so Sonoma Clean Power is

5327
02:44:35,100 --> 02:44:37,100
trying

5328
02:44:37,100 --> 02:44:39,100
to get as close as they can.

5329
02:44:39,100 --> 02:44:40,100
It won't be exactly as low as

5330
02:44:40,100 --> 02:44:43,100
PG&E, but they are working

5331
02:44:43,100 --> 02:44:44,100
to really try to bring that

5332
02:44:44,100 --> 02:44:45,100
down for their customers. And

5333
02:44:45,100 --> 02:44:46,100
then secondly,

5334
02:44:46,100 --> 02:44:49,601
I know the mayor also went,

5335
02:44:50,100 --> 02:44:52,100
but we were able to go to the

5336
02:44:52,100 --> 02:44:53,100
Twin Towers ceremony

5337
02:44:53,100 --> 02:44:55,100
at the golf course, and that

5338
02:44:55,100 --> 02:44:56,100
was a really beautiful

5339
02:44:56,100 --> 02:44:58,100
ceremony. And we were glad

5340
02:44:58,100 --> 02:44:59,100
to have that, the piece

5341
02:44:59,100 --> 02:45:00,100
of steel come into town and

5342
02:45:00,100 --> 02:45:01,100
to have people be able

5343
02:45:01,100 --> 02:45:02,100
to see it and,

5344
02:45:02,100 --> 02:45:04,401
and remember 9/11. And, and

5345
02:45:05,100 --> 02:45:06,100
really it was I believe that

5346
02:45:06,100 --> 02:45:07,100
those are the things that I

5347
02:45:07,100 --> 02:45:09,401
have for this month.

5348
02:45:11,100 --> 02:45:12,100
>> Thank you. Councilmember

5349
02:45:12,100 --> 02:45:14,100
Leep?

5350
02:45:14,100 --> 02:45:15,100
>> Well, I did want to mention

5351
02:45:15,100 --> 02:45:16,100
the SCTCA, but unfortunately,

5352
02:45:16,100 --> 02:45:17,100
I don't have my notes in front

5353
02:45:17,100 --> 02:45:18,100
of me. But I will say that the

5354
02:45:18,100 --> 02:45:20,100
committees in SCTCA, the

5355
02:45:20,100 --> 02:45:21,100
Transit Authority and Climate

5356
02:45:21,100 --> 02:45:23,100
Authority, did are

5357
02:45:23,100 --> 02:45:25,100
in the process of approving,

5358
02:45:25,100 --> 02:45:29,100
my guess is, and maybe John can

5359
02:45:29,100 --> 02:45:31,100
correct me, I believe it's

5360
02:45:31,100 --> 02:45:33,100
about $3.5 million in $600,000

5361
02:45:35,100 --> 02:45:37,401
towards some road repairs.

5362
02:45:38,100 --> 02:45:39,100
Does that sound

5363
02:45:39,100 --> 02:45:42,100
about the right number? Out

5364
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:45,100
of Measure M type funds, which

5365
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:46,100
is quite a bit less than we

5366
02:45:46,100 --> 02:45:47,100
wanted, but given the score

5367
02:45:47,100 --> 02:45:49,100
that we got,

5368
02:45:49,100 --> 02:45:50,100
it's a good number and it's

5369
02:45:50,100 --> 02:45:51,100
nice to see us

5370
02:45:51,100 --> 02:45:53,100
in the winning column. So

5371
02:45:53,100 --> 02:45:54,100
that's coming up in the months

5372
02:45:54,100 --> 02:45:56,100
to come.

5373
02:45:56,100 --> 02:45:58,100
>> Councilmember Wall or

5374
02:45:59,100 --> 02:46:01,100
Salmon?

5375
02:46:02,100 --> 02:46:03,100
>> Councilmember Wall, you want

5376
02:46:03,100 --> 02:46:04,100
to go?

5377
02:46:04,100 --> 02:46:06,100
>> Nothing for me.

5378
02:46:06,100 --> 02:46:08,100
>> Okay. Attended the

5379
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:09,100
Planning Commission meeting

5380
02:46:09,100 --> 02:46:10,100
last night, very interesting,

5381
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:12,100
and thank staff

5382
02:46:12,100 --> 02:46:13,100
for the presentation on the

5383
02:46:13,100 --> 02:46:15,100
Windsor Creek site and

5384
02:46:15,100 --> 02:46:17,100
entertaining in,

5385
02:46:19,100 --> 02:46:20,100
in all the other in the other

5386
02:46:20,100 --> 02:46:23,100
aspects. I guess I'll do I,

5387
02:46:23,100 --> 02:46:24,100
I was acknowledged for 20 years

5388
02:46:24,100 --> 02:46:26,100
of trash pickup on Highway

5389
02:46:26,100 --> 02:46:28,100
101.

5390
02:46:33,100 --> 02:46:34,100
>> Nice.

5391
02:46:34,100 --> 02:46:35,100
>> I got a call and they said,

5392
02:46:35,100 --> 02:46:37,100
they said, in the Northern

5393
02:46:37,100 --> 02:46:38,100
District, we're going to be

5394
02:46:38,100 --> 02:46:41,100
acknowledging a long time. And

5395
02:46:43,100 --> 02:46:44,100
I'm going, I don't understand

5396
02:46:44,100 --> 02:46:46,100
what you're talking about. And

5397
02:46:46,100 --> 02:46:47,100
he said, oh, well, I went

5398
02:46:47,100 --> 02:46:48,100
through all these records and

5399
02:46:48,100 --> 02:46:50,401
you're the longest, so.

5400
02:46:52,100 --> 02:46:53,100
>> Wow.

5401
02:46:53,100 --> 02:46:54,100
>> Individual. Yeah, that was

5402
02:46:54,100 --> 02:46:56,100
very nice.

5403
02:46:57,100 --> 02:46:58,100
>> All right. Gosh, it's been

5404
02:46:58,100 --> 02:46:59,100
so long

5405
02:46:59,100 --> 02:47:00,100
since we've had a meeting,

5406
02:47:00,100 --> 02:47:02,100
right? June 17th. So, I went

5407
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:03,100
to San Francisco. I took the

5408
02:47:03,100 --> 02:47:04,100
SMART train, then the ferry,

5409
02:47:04,100 --> 02:47:06,100
and then walked

5410
02:47:06,100 --> 02:47:07,100
to ABAG meeting,

5411
02:47:07,100 --> 02:47:08,100
my first one. And it was very

5412
02:47:08,100 --> 02:47:10,100
interesting.

5413
02:47:10,100 --> 02:47:11,100
>> Good.

5414
02:47:11,100 --> 02:47:12,100
>> Yes, yes,

5415
02:47:12,100 --> 02:47:13,100
I attended that meeting. And,

5416
02:47:13,100 --> 02:47:15,100
and so they, they talked

5417
02:47:15,100 --> 02:47:17,100
about the new oh, first

5418
02:47:17,100 --> 02:47:19,100
of all,

5419
02:47:20,100 --> 02:47:22,100
they have a new chair. It's a

5420
02:47:22,100 --> 02:47:23,100
representative from Rona

5421
02:47:23,100 --> 02:47:25,100
Park, and I cannot remember her

5422
02:47:25,100 --> 02:47:27,100
name, but it's one of our

5423
02:47:27,100 --> 02:47:29,100
Rona Park Town Council members.

5424
02:47:29,100 --> 02:47:30,100
Anyway, so that's nice.

5425
02:47:30,100 --> 02:47:32,100
>> Susan.

5426
02:47:32,100 --> 02:47:33,100
>> Susan.

5427
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:34,100
>> Susan. It's Susan. Yes. And

5428
02:47:34,100 --> 02:47:36,100
so it's like, again, this is a

5429
02:47:36,100 --> 02:47:37,100
person that I will we should

5430
02:47:37,100 --> 02:47:39,100
connect with, with regards

5431
02:47:39,100 --> 02:47:40,100
to the arena numbers,

5432
02:47:40,100 --> 02:47:41,100
because they're going

5433
02:47:41,100 --> 02:47:43,100
to start talking

5434
02:47:43,100 --> 02:47:44,100
about the new cycle. So, we

5435
02:47:44,100 --> 02:47:45,100
have a really close connection.

5436
02:47:45,100 --> 02:47:46,100
She's going to love it. So

5437
02:47:46,100 --> 02:47:49,100
yeah, that, that was a nice um,

5438
02:47:49,100 --> 02:47:50,100
I unfortunately did not attend.

5439
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:54,100
I had to go out of town,

5440
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:56,100
so I didn't attend the Latino

5441
02:47:56,100 --> 02:47:57,100
Fest. Don't know if anyone else

5442
02:47:57,100 --> 02:47:58,100
went to that. Hopefully it was

5443
02:47:58,100 --> 02:47:59,100
a success. I did go to the

5444
02:47:59,100 --> 02:48:00,100
Taco Fest, which they,

5445
02:48:00,100 --> 02:48:02,100
they've continued

5446
02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:03,100
to do an amazing job

5447
02:48:03,100 --> 02:48:04,100
out there. And then the 3rd

5448
02:48:04,100 --> 02:48:05,100
of July, we didn't mention was

5449
02:48:05,100 --> 02:48:07,100
a blast. Miss seeing you,

5450
02:48:07,100 --> 02:48:09,401
Sam, and Councilmember Wall.

5451
02:48:14,100 --> 02:48:15,100
And then what else? And then

5452
02:48:15,100 --> 02:48:18,601
the event on Monday with Vice

5453
02:48:20,100 --> 02:48:21,100
Mayor was, was wonderful. So

5454
02:48:21,100 --> 02:48:22,100
that was it. Okay, so any

5455
02:48:22,100 --> 02:48:23,100
future agenda council items

5456
02:48:23,100 --> 02:48:25,100
that anyone wants

5457
02:48:25,100 --> 02:48:27,100
to request?

5458
02:48:28,100 --> 02:48:29,100
>> I would like to I would

5459
02:48:29,100 --> 02:48:30,100
like to request so I know we

5460
02:48:30,100 --> 02:48:32,100
did a lot

5461
02:48:33,100 --> 02:48:34,100
of zoning code talk tonight,

5462
02:48:34,100 --> 02:48:36,100
but I do want

5463
02:48:36,100 --> 02:48:37,100
to request that we start

5464
02:48:37,100 --> 02:48:38,100
looking at some other zoning

5465
02:48:38,100 --> 02:48:39,100
code changes. And some

5466
02:48:39,100 --> 02:48:42,100
of them are to complete streets

5467
02:48:42,100 --> 02:48:45,601
and the way that we're doing

5468
02:48:46,100 --> 02:48:47,100
parking, specifically ways that

5469
02:48:47,100 --> 02:48:49,100
we can incorporate parking

5470
02:48:49,100 --> 02:48:51,100
to help us reduce some

5471
02:48:51,100 --> 02:48:53,100
of the blight that we've had

5472
02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:54,100
in town and throughout some of

5473
02:48:54,100 --> 02:48:55,100
just the way that we've had

5474
02:48:55,100 --> 02:48:58,100
design in town. And so,

5475
02:48:58,100 --> 02:48:59,100
I really want to look

5476
02:48:59,100 --> 02:49:00,100
at those. And there's a couple

5477
02:49:00,100 --> 02:49:02,100
other things on that,

5478
02:49:02,100 --> 02:49:03,100
but I would like for us to have

5479
02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:04,100
that brought forward just so

5480
02:49:04,100 --> 02:49:06,100
that we can suggest some things

5481
02:49:06,100 --> 02:49:08,100
for our zoning amendments that

5482
02:49:08,100 --> 02:49:09,100
help us

5483
02:49:09,100 --> 02:49:10,100
to really utilize the frontages

5484
02:49:10,100 --> 02:49:11,100
for design and strengthen some

5485
02:49:11,100 --> 02:49:12,100
of our zoning so that we can

5486
02:49:12,100 --> 02:49:13,100
just make sure that we, we

5487
02:49:13,100 --> 02:49:15,100
don't have housing projects

5488
02:49:15,100 --> 02:49:16,100
that come forward like Shiloh

5489
02:49:16,100 --> 02:49:18,100
Terrace again where we have

5490
02:49:18,100 --> 02:49:19,100
significant, you know, parking

5491
02:49:19,100 --> 02:49:22,601
issues, but ways that we can

5492
02:49:25,100 --> 02:49:28,601
tweak the zoning to make sure

5493
02:49:32,100 --> 02:49:33,100
that we're taking care

5494
02:49:33,100 --> 02:49:35,401
of that. Thank you.

5495
02:49:36,100 --> 02:49:37,100
>> I'm in on that one.

5496
02:49:37,100 --> 02:49:38,100
>> I'll support that. Sure.

5497
02:49:38,100 --> 02:49:39,100
>> Yeah, I support that.

5498
02:49:39,100 --> 02:49:40,100
Okay, thank you. All right,

5499
02:49:40,100 --> 02:49:42,100
anything else?

5500
02:49:42,100 --> 02:49:45,100
>> I'd like to agenda starting

5501
02:49:47,100 --> 02:49:49,100
the process of purchasing the

5502
02:49:49,100 --> 02:49:51,100
land right-of-way on the,

5503
02:49:51,100 --> 02:49:53,100
the right-of-way in Los Amigos

5504
02:49:53,100 --> 02:49:54,100
and Arata Lane

5505
02:49:54,100 --> 02:49:57,100
for the roundabout. It may

5506
02:49:57,100 --> 02:50:00,100
require eminent domain if we

5507
02:50:00,100 --> 02:50:02,401
were at the Planning

5508
02:50:03,100 --> 02:50:05,100
Commission meeting. They talked

5509
02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:07,100
about the new subdivision, and

5510
02:50:07,100 --> 02:50:08,100
hopefully they'll dedicate the

5511
02:50:08,100 --> 02:50:10,100
land at the corner

5512
02:50:10,100 --> 02:50:13,100
to the town. But there's 2

5513
02:50:14,100 --> 02:50:15,100
other corners, and I think the

5514
02:50:15,100 --> 02:50:16,100
roundabout there is quite

5515
02:50:16,100 --> 02:50:19,100
important because if we don't

5516
02:50:21,100 --> 02:50:22,100
get around

5517
02:50:22,100 --> 02:50:23,100
to if we signalize it,

5518
02:50:23,100 --> 02:50:24,100
it'll stay signalized, I think,

5519
02:50:24,100 --> 02:50:26,100
forever. And I think I'd

5520
02:50:26,100 --> 02:50:29,601
like a discussion to see, you

5521
02:50:30,100 --> 02:50:31,100
know, signalization is cheaper

5522
02:50:31,100 --> 02:50:33,401
initially, but I think

5523
02:50:34,100 --> 02:50:35,100
over time it's not because of

5524
02:50:35,100 --> 02:50:37,100
the maintenance.

5525
02:50:38,100 --> 02:50:39,100
>> I think a discussion is

5526
02:50:39,100 --> 02:50:40,100
warranted.

5527
02:50:40,100 --> 02:50:41,100
>> Yeah, I would agree.

5528
02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:43,100
>> Yeah, just a discussion.

5529
02:50:43,100 --> 02:50:45,100
>> Discussion.

5530
02:50:45,100 --> 02:50:46,100
>> I'd like to talk about,

5531
02:50:46,100 --> 02:50:48,100
well, the implementation of our

5532
02:50:48,100 --> 02:50:49,100
inclusionary housing ordinance.

5533
02:50:49,100 --> 02:50:50,100
We've talked

5534
02:50:50,100 --> 02:50:51,100
about that's supposed

5535
02:50:51,100 --> 02:50:53,100
to be coming I'd like

5536
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:54,100
to see that come. And maybe we

5537
02:50:54,100 --> 02:50:55,100
can get a report on the status

5538
02:50:55,100 --> 02:50:57,100
of the Windsor Creek School

5539
02:50:57,100 --> 02:51:00,601
site. It may be in dangerous

5540
02:51:05,100 --> 02:51:07,401
condition. I've toured it

5541
02:51:10,100 --> 02:51:11,100
twice. The last one,

5542
02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:12,100
I have no idea what's going on

5543
02:51:12,100 --> 02:51:14,100
over there,

5544
02:51:16,100 --> 02:51:17,100
and I don't really want

5545
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:18,100
to know,

5546
02:51:18,100 --> 02:51:21,601
but it's not a good scene.

5547
02:51:22,100 --> 02:51:24,100
>> Thank you.

5548
02:51:24,100 --> 02:51:26,100
>> So that may not have

5549
02:51:26,100 --> 02:51:28,100
to be agendized,

5550
02:51:28,100 --> 02:51:29,100
but maybe we can ask John

5551
02:51:29,100 --> 02:51:30,100
to just kind of get a report

5552
02:51:30,100 --> 02:51:31,100
of when there's going

5553
02:51:31,100 --> 02:51:32,100
to be a cleanup,

5554
02:51:32,100 --> 02:51:33,100
if there's going

5555
02:51:33,100 --> 02:51:34,100
to be a cleanup,

5556
02:51:34,100 --> 02:51:35,100
if there's people still living

5557
02:51:35,100 --> 02:51:37,100
there, if there's still

5558
02:51:37,100 --> 02:51:39,100
continuing vandalism. I'd ask

5559
02:51:39,100 --> 02:51:40,100
how many people have been

5560
02:51:40,100 --> 02:51:41,100
to the school site and when.

5561
02:51:41,100 --> 02:51:42,100
Okay. Were you taken back? I

5562
02:51:42,100 --> 02:51:43,100
was disheartened.

5563
02:51:43,100 --> 02:51:45,100
>> I'll have a conversation

5564
02:51:45,100 --> 02:51:46,100
with you.

5565
02:51:46,100 --> 02:51:47,100
>> Okay. Okay. And the last

5566
02:51:47,100 --> 02:51:50,601
thing I'd just like to ask,

5567
02:51:52,100 --> 02:51:55,100
the Cal Conference in Anaheim

5568
02:51:55,100 --> 02:51:57,100
is coming September 23rd to

5569
02:51:57,100 --> 02:51:59,100
September 25th, and don't have

5570
02:51:59,100 --> 02:52:00,100
to answer now, but I'd like to

5571
02:52:00,100 --> 02:52:01,100
know if other council members

5572
02:52:01,100 --> 02:52:02,100
are going to go, because that's

5573
02:52:02,100 --> 02:52:05,100
how it's important for me. If I

5574
02:52:05,100 --> 02:52:06,100
go, I want other council

5575
02:52:06,100 --> 02:52:07,100
members there. It doesn't

5576
02:52:07,100 --> 02:52:08,100
really make sense. So just keep

5577
02:52:08,100 --> 02:52:10,100
it in mind.

5578
02:52:10,100 --> 02:52:12,401
>> I'm looking to hopefully

5579
02:52:13,100 --> 02:52:14,100
help.

5580
02:52:14,100 --> 02:52:16,100
>> Yeah, that's it.

5581
02:52:16,100 --> 02:52:18,100
>> Okay, thank you so much,

5582
02:52:18,100 --> 02:52:20,100
everybody. This meeting is

5583
02:52:20,100 --> 02:52:22,100
adjourned.