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>> The town Council Tom at the winter redevelopment agency.

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Roll call please.

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[calling roll]

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>> Thank you.

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>> And I would like to read a unity statement we have been

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doing for maybe six months now.

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In the heart of Windsor we stand together bound

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by the strength of our relationship

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the spirit of service, the pursuit of shared purpose.

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Consistent with our values of community and diversity,

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we embrace and acknowledge our relationship

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with people and history.

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We honor the land that sustains us, recognizing its history,

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its growth, and the development that

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shapes its modern community.

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Through careful stewardship and planning,

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we build a town that balances progress with preservation,

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ensuring Windsor remains a place of belonging,

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goodwill, and unwavering purpose.

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It's our commitment to respect cultures, make space

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for connection, honor our history,

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and create a deep appreciation for a whole community.

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Vice Mayor, can you loosen the Pledge of Allegiance please.

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>> Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Ready, begin.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

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of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you, vice mayor.

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At this time I would like to ask if there's

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any changes to the agenda.

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>> No changes that I am aware of.

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>> Seeing none, we are going to move right

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into our presentations and proclamations.

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Today I'm going to start with our item 6.1.

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It is recognizing our outgoing honorary youth mayor who

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unfortunately cannot be here.

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But I really wanted to thank Victoria Guzmán.

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She did a great job serving as our youth mayor

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for the first half of this year.

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Thank you to her.

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And then next, I have our -- following our next youth mayor.

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This one is really special to me for a couple of reasons.

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Once you hear the name, you might guess one of the.

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The other reason is it is my last year serving as mayor.

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So this is my last honorary youth mayor during my time here.

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At this moment I would like to recognize Evelyn Noelle Reynoza

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Oseguera as our next youth mayor.

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Evelyn, can you come up?

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Congratulations.

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Would you like to say a few words?

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>> Yes.

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>> Speaking the mic please nice and loud.

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>> I'm happy to have my family and friends here in Windsor.

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I hope I make them proud by being the youth mayor.

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>> Thank you.

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I'm sure you will.

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Evelyn, could we take a picture with you?

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Do you guys want to stand up here,

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and Tommy and I will go in the front.

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Perfect.

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Then we're going to go ahead and move on to our announcements.

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Council member, can you begin with the first one?

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>> Our first announcement tonight is about the summer

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nights on the Green Concert Series.

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This Thursday, which is tomorrow, on the Town Green,

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the band will be Apple Z. And the farmers market starts at 5

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p.m..

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The concert begins at 6 p.m..

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>> We have volunteer day coming up this Saturday August 8th,

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from 9 a.m.

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To 11 a.m.

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At Wilson Ranch Soccer Park.

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Join your neighbors and help unify our community.

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For details and to RSVP, Park Tech parks and rec at (707)

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838-1267.

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>> We have the native plant seed propagation Saturday,

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September 19th from 1030 to 12:30 p.m.

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At the Windsor Regional Library.

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Participants will learn from the Habitat Corridor project

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many different strategies and techniques

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for propagating native plants so that they may

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start their own home nurseries.

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>> The Windsor Day Parade is Saturday September 26th.

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The parade theme is Fly Me to the moon.

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It will begin at 10 a.m.

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Parade entries are due by September 4th.

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For entry and parade details visit kiwaniswindsor.org.

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>> Finally we have the Sunday Farmer's Market every Sunday

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through December 6th.

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9 a.m.

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To 12:30 p.m.

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At the Town Green Market Street.

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>> Moving on now to the Town Manager's report.

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And things report com Town Manager?

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>> John Davis com Town manager, a couple of items.

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First on a sad note, we are going

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to lose another tree in the town Oak Grove here.

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It fell again to the Mediterranean Oak horned beetle.

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We know that as the ammo B. Next Tuesday the 11th the largest oak

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tree will start to be removed.

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It was determined that the infestation is too strong now,

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and does not come to come back.

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I do want to tout staff for the steps they

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have taken to preserve that tree and all the trees.

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This one was actually scheduled to come out originally

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maybe last year.

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They wanted to take one more run at it

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and see if they could revive it.

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They were not able to do that.

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So removing any tree, it is not a light decision.

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Parks and rec take a long time before they

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decide it is too late.

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And so that will start next week.

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You will see that here at the town hall.

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If you want to learn more about the oak board beetle or anything

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about trees, protection efforts, and the town,

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you can go to the town website.

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Just Google Tree protection.

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It'll take you there.

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Also I wanted to thank Chief Piccinini and the Sheriff

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for coming out last night to National Night Out.

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Always a fun event for the kids.

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The chief staff at PD, all the deputies, we had town staff.

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Everybody who came out to the event was nice.

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I want to thank them for the time

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and effort they put into that.

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It helps us build community.

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Closing my report.

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>> Thank you very much.

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Item number nine, is there any conflict of interest

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to declare from our council members?

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Seeing none, we are going to move on now to public comments.

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Members of the public wishing to speak to the Council

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on any consent calendar item or any item not listed

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on the agenda may do so at this time.

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Pursuant to the Brown Act, the Council

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is not allowed to consider issues or take action

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at any item not listed on the agenda during this period.

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You will have three minutes.

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We have a clock up here to my right.

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Also please everyone who is at home, listening,

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you can always email the entire council

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at towncouncil@townofwindsor.ca.gve

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Member of the public I want to approach

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the podium at this time, please come up

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and if you want to give your name and address,

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that would be optional so we know who to get hold of you.

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>> Hi.

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>> Hi there.

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>> I am Jill Ziegler.

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Can you hear me?

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I have been in Windsor since 1985 and a homeowner since 1990.

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I am here to just raise some awareness

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about an issue that is getting lots of national attention.

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And I became aware of surveillance cameras.

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It is all over the nation.

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I emailed Mr. Salman at CC's the mayor about my concern.

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There was an article in the press Democrat

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about the LAPD canceling their flock cameras.

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And it said to Go to Deflock.org to see

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if your community has the.

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And we do have them in Windsor, quite a few.

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I searched deeper.

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The Washington Post this week produced

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an article that showed over 50 law enforcement agents

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across the United States have been misusing these flock

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cameras, stalking their X's and surveilling people illegally.

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That's messed up.

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John Oliver produced an entire show on surveillance technology.

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And the National Congress has put forth a bill

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to defund these kind of cameras.

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So that raised my alarm.

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And I thought, why do we have them in Windsor?

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I did not know we had them.

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And it made sense when I researched.

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It says this is supposed to make our community safer

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and help law enforcement be more effective.

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Makes sense to me.

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But when I started researching it,

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I found out about places all across the nation that

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have done audits on how their cameras are being used here

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in Maricopa County has a 7% error rate.

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So they have canceled.

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Indiana has canceled almost all of their flock cameras.

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The state of Washington.

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And the more I have been reading on this,

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I thought I want to bring this to you

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and see what we might be able to do here in Windsor.

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I do understand the thought behind this.

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My call for you, because I only have a minute.

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Three minutes is not a lot.

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My call to you is for the town council

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to do an audit as to how these cameras are being used,

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how the data is stored, who has access to the data, third party

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groups, the FBI and Homeland Security

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have been tunneling into these flock cameras

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without permission from the towns.

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And I thought this is not okay, especially when I saw that

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Windsor, 16 of our cameras in northern Windsor,

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most of those 16 cameras are on the west side where our Latino

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population -- the demographic is located.

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And my neighborhood there are no flock cameras.

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My call is please let's start looking at these flock cameras.

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Is it time to get them taken down?

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And in the meantime, is the data being stored --

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I am a law abiding citizen.

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I am not worried.

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But I do worry about the error rate.

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A woman in Vallejo was just thrown to the ground

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in front of her children.

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Did you read about and see that?

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Because they had gotten erroneous

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flock camera information from a different state

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for a motorcycle.

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>> This is big.

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They pulled her out of the car and threw her

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to the ground in front of kids.

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This can't happen.

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>> Hello.

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I know quite a few of the people here on the Council.

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My name is Rick Mosel.

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I live at 150 Espana in Windsor.

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And I am very interested in the town of Windsor,

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become more interested as I see the town having

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many issues before it.

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And I have tried to get many people

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that I know to run for office here in this town.

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And it seems like it is very difficult to get people to run.

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There are many reasons.

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But I've encouraged many of the people

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that I know, my friends and colleagues and so

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on to run for office.

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There are many people who complain.

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Not very many of them run for office.

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And they should because if they have a point of view,

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they should be debated and discussed

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and everybody should be able to have their opportunity

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to discuss things and decide in a reasonable manner what

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they do.

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Our town is a great town.

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I love Windsor.

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I've been here for over 20 years, 30 years.

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I have seen a lot of really great stuff happen here.

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And I wish that everybody can take advantage of being

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in a town like Windsor.

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But I think the town of Windsor has many obstacles

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in front of it right now.

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We want to try to make it a better place.

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For that reason, tomorrow morning I'm

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going to meet with Miss Camacho and I'm

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going to ask her to sign me up for Mayor.

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And I hope that that makes the town a better place the debate.

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I encourage many other people to run,

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district one, district four, and mayor

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are all open to the town of Windsor.

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And there is also a school board,

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which has three people who are up for reelection.

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And there should be people running there as well.

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And there are many other places you can contribute to --

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Planning Commission, etc.

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But this is the place where decisions get made.

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You get to learn a lot about the town.

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But you don't have to be an expert.

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That is the thing that I've learned.

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While I was on the school board here 20 years ago.

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And I learned that you could go to the town.

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People who run the town, our town manager,

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or in the case of school board the superintendent, you

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find out what's going on in the town.

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You go to training.

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You learn to become better versed in all of that.

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The main thing is ask questions, listen to people,

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and learn how to be tolerant of people

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who have different points of view

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because you may learn a lot from them.

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Thank you.

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>> Anyone else from the public ?

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>> Good evening, Council, staff.

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My name is Anthony Mitchell.

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We are registered energy services company

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at federal Department of Energy.

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We are here to inform the city about funds

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that are available from multiple sources.

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Water from the state.

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The others from the Public Utility Commission

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of California.

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In a climate where most municipalities we are working

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with are extremely hard strapped for program dollars,

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funding for infrastructure, EV charging,

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the rates are going up a bit of more than 14%

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over the next 12 months.

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There's a big solar push with NS with the big beautiful bill

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next year.

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We are here to educate council and town staff

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about funds that you guys pay into every month

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and that we actually have a contract with the Public Utility

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Commission to help the cities, municipalities in the area

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to spend those dollars so you don't have to actually touch

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your capital or the funds you have available.

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As long as it goes to infrastructure upgrades

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to basically make the town more efficient

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and offset the rate increases that

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are coming over the next several months.

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We work with Public Works.

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We work with parks.

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We work with water infrastructure,

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whether it's wastewater, irrigation systems, airports,

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etc..

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We are here today to let staff know, let council

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know, what staff know as far as you guys get worked on

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behind the scenes.

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But there was no money out of pockets of the city for most

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of the funds.

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There is no upfront cost for the city for most of the funds.

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These are funds that are available.

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Believe it or not you pay about 10% of your total bill

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that you pay to the utility entities.

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There's about 10% that actually fold for these programs.

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We are the builder of the programs

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and we do about 60 to 7% of the entire pipeline for Pacific Gas

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Electric Company.

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So we are not looking for any funds from the city

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because we state a utility commission gives us

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access to funds to help you guys spend

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them to upgrade your facilities to offset your maintenance

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costs.

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A lot of times it's just to pay for things

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you don't have capital for.

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Thank you for your time this evening

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and if you guys are interested, we would love to meet with staff

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and go over what is available, or schedule a time

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to come back and do a full blown presentation on an agenda item.

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Thank you so much.

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>> Anyone else from the public?

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Seeing none, I'm going to close public comment

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and bring it back to the council.

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Our next items are the consent calendar items.

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We have 11.1, the approval of minutes from July 15th town

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Council meeting.

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11.2, amendments to the Town of Windsor Zoning

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code title 17 on the Municipal code

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by holding a second reading by title only

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and adopt an ordinance adopting amendments

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to the Town of Windsor zoning code title 17 of the Municipal

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Code to implement Housing Element programs

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and to comply with state housing law.

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11.3, an ordinance adding chapter six to title two

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of the Windsor Municipal Code establishing a 1% general

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transaction to and use tax by holding a second reading

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by title only and it's often drawn to the town of Windsor,

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adding chapter six to title two of the Windsor Municipal Code

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establishing a 1% general transaction use tax to be

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administered by the Department of Tax and Fee Administration

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subject to the approval of a majority of qualified electors

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casting votes on November 3rd, municipal election.

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Professional Service agreement with Weldon Engineering

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for Code enforcement services.

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And does anyone want to make a motion or have any comments?

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>> I will make a motion to move the consent calendar.

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>> Second.

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>> A roll call vote please.

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[members voting]

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>> Moving on now to our regular calendar,

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there is no public hearing today so we are skipping item 12,

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going to number 13, a resolution approving the Solid Waste

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franchise agreement with Sonoma County Resource Recovery

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for garbage recyclable matters and organic waste collection

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services effective October 1st, 2027.

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>> Good evening mayor and Council.

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Christina Owens, government operations manager.

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Joining me tonight is principal with R3 consulting Group.

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The town's consultant in technical adviser on solid waste

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management.

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Tonight staff is recommending the approval of a new ten year

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exclusive solid waste franchise agreement with Sonoma County

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Resource Recovery also known as SCRR,

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effective October 1st 2027.

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The recommendation comes after a year

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long competitive bidding process with the goal

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of promoting greater transparency and rate

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setting, equality among ratepayers,

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and overall cost efficiency by providing residents

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and businesses with the appropriate level of service

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of the highest quality and of the best rates.

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The town received a total of three proposals with SCRR

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being the highest ranked by the approved evaluation criteria,

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resulting in lower rates compared to our existing 2026

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rates.

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Retention and expansion of programing and services,

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removal of a 30 year subsidy to the town of Windsor,

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Windsor Unified School District, and Sonoma County Fire District.

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The creation of new rate categories

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for government, multifamily, and mixed use properties

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for transparency and equity.

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And finally addressing the legal challenges regarding franchise

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fees and setting the annual amount

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based on reasonable costs associated with solid waste

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services.

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To begin the presentation, a copy of the Powerpoint

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has been provided to you as well as the public

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in the back of the room.

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To present the details of the RFP

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and the results of the proposal, I

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would like to turn it over to Garth.

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>> Thank you very much.

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Council members, staff, public, this

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has been a very competitive process

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with significant benefits we believe to the town's ratepayers

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regarding solid waste.

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Excellent.

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A bit of background, and Christina covered some of this

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already, your existing agreement with Sonoma County Resource

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Recovery is set to expire September 30th, 2027,

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and because of provisions in existing town code,

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there are no opportunities to extend that or any other future

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solid waste collection agreement.

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The town is required to go out to a competitive procurement

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process every time you have a ten year solid waste agreement.

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The process -- I will show another slide which details

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the last several months, nearly 11 months worth of work on this.

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The process included robust engagement

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with both an ad hoc committee of the Council,

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community committees of stakeholder interests,

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and general interest meetings of members of the public

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in order to inform the RFP process which

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resulted in the establishment of guiding principles

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and draft evaluation criteria that came to the Council.

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The Council amended those and finalized those along

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with the RFP approval and release process.

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There was lots of community engagement via an online survey

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and community meetings, and we came back to the council

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prior to the release of the RFP to make

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sure we had council's interests and directions before moving

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forward with the process.

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This is what those last many months have looked like.

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I'm going to go into great detail here,

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but just to say it's taken a lot to get

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to this point in the process and we are very

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happy to be here this evening.

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Key milestones since we have last

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presented to the Council on this matter, of course

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the council heard the recommendation

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to move forward with the RFP back in February.

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The council at the time did vote to approve the RFP

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and make adjustments to the evaluation criteria

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that we are included in the RFP and utilized by the evaluation

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panel.

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The next day the RFP was released

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and we had ample time frame for proposers

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to be able to review the requirements of the RFP,

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the attached franchise agreement draft, and other documents.

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We did receive three proposals from the incumbents Sonoma

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County Resource Recovery, Ecology and Green Waste Recovery

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on April 15th.

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We received best and final offers regarding the rate

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proposals from those companies on May 27th,

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and then negotiations were undertaken with SCR

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as the highest ranked proposer.

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Those were then concluded in June,

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bringing us to you here tonight.

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A brief reminder before I go into some

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of the key characteristics of the RFP,

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which we covered in the presentation back in February

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is that what we are talking about here with this agreement

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is the programs and services that are provided for collection

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of solid waste from residents, businesses, and government

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agencies in the town.

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So that is the trucks that drive by homes and businesses

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and pick up recycling and garbage and organics.

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The rates that the providers charge also

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cover post collection activities,

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meaning disposal of garbage and landfill,

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composting of organics, composting facilities,

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and recycling of recyclable materials.

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Put the garbage and organics component

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of that is subject to the direction and flow

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control of other agreements through the county in Zero Waste

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Sonoma.

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We are not talking about where garbage goes

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or where organic materials go.

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Proposers were asked and were and do

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provide their own means of getting recyclables

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into the marketplace.

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Christina already mentioned this.

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There was the cessation of the prior public agency subsidies.

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This came through the public engagement process.

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It was a very strongly saved interest

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from members of the RFP Committee Colorado Community

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Committee, and members of the public

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who expressed interest in wanting

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to know that rates are covering what

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residents and ratepayers and commercial businesses pay for

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and not cover costs for others.

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So that was a key tenant of this RFP process.

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Folks who provided comments during the Pre-proposal process

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also very much wanted to see that rates were transparent,

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that the rates that folks charged

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or were being charged to cover their cost of service.

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So it was clear direction in the RFP regarding that.

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And importantly with respect to --

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and this has been changing on a statewide level --

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ensuring that those that live in multifamily or mixed use

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habitations also are receiving equivalent access to the types

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of services that single family residents receive.

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And I've got a few examples cited there.

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Bulky item pickup, battery collection, and the like.

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Finally, one of the points of direction

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we received from the community committee

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from the ad hoc committee, and from the Council

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was a clear understanding of what

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the costs were some of the optional types of services

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might be.

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And that was something we put into the RFP

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and the proposers were responsive to that.

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In terms of the process, it was dictated

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how the evaluation would occur was clearly

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detailed within the RFP.

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It was a pass fail review.

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All three proposers passed that pass fail review.

528
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:16,405
Then the evaluation panel proceeded

529
00:27:16,405 --> 00:27:20,605
into a consensus, ranking scoring process that

530
00:27:20,665 --> 00:27:23,651
included review of the proposals, review

531
00:27:23,651 --> 00:27:26,478
of the best and final rate proposal offers,

532
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,645
that were informed by interviews that were conducted

533
00:27:28,645 --> 00:27:30,750
with all three proposers.

534
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:34,309
One thing that is important is that service rates were not

535
00:27:34,309 --> 00:27:37,177
a controlling factor with respect to the evaluation

536
00:27:37,177 --> 00:27:37,677
criteria.

537
00:27:37,677 --> 00:27:40,780
They were a very important factor.

538
00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:42,373
They were weighted at 50 out of 100 points,

539
00:27:42,373 --> 00:27:46,165
but there were other elements of consideration in the evaluation

540
00:27:46,165 --> 00:27:48,877
criteria that the council reviewed and approved

541
00:27:48,877 --> 00:27:50,293
prior to release.

542
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:53,277
I mentioned that we requested best and final offers.

543
00:27:53,277 --> 00:27:56,725
That was both to help make sure that the evaluation panel had

544
00:27:56,725 --> 00:27:58,829
clarity of understanding around what was included

545
00:27:58,829 --> 00:28:04,605
in each proposers rates, and then also to seek clarifications

546
00:28:04,605 --> 00:28:07,277
around what they may include within the base rates

547
00:28:07,277 --> 00:28:08,221
they proposed.

548
00:28:08,221 --> 00:28:12,405
The RFP also did state that the highest ranked

549
00:28:12,405 --> 00:28:16,845
proposer would be selected to proceed in the negotiations.

550
00:28:16,845 --> 00:28:18,465
And potential award recommendation

551
00:28:18,465 --> 00:28:23,265
pending successful negotiations, which was achieved with SCRR.

552
00:28:23,838 --> 00:28:27,365
We are showing you the scoring for the two highest

553
00:28:27,365 --> 00:28:29,733
ranked proposers on this slide.

554
00:28:29,733 --> 00:28:31,245
You can see on the left hand slide

555
00:28:31,245 --> 00:28:34,175
the maximum points that the council identified back

556
00:28:34,175 --> 00:28:35,173
in February.

557
00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:40,573
The summary of the evaluation criteria category, and then

558
00:28:40,946 --> 00:28:43,238
the resulting scores for each of the two highest ranked

559
00:28:43,238 --> 00:28:43,871
proposers.

560
00:28:43,871 --> 00:28:46,477
Importantly for the town and its ratepayers,

561
00:28:46,477 --> 00:28:49,685
this was a very competitive, very tightly

562
00:28:49,685 --> 00:28:53,877
fought race, very good proposals from all three proposers

563
00:28:53,877 --> 00:28:56,745
and from the two local companies,

564
00:28:56,745 --> 00:29:01,545
or ecology and SCRR, a very close race.

565
00:29:01,645 --> 00:29:04,991
As you can see here, slight differentiation between ecology

566
00:29:04,991 --> 00:29:08,725
and SCR on the service rates, slight differentiation

567
00:29:08,725 --> 00:29:13,500
with respect to cost service and fiscal transparency,

568
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,650
a little bit of an additional preference

569
00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:18,665
to the smaller focused customer service

570
00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:23,540
and reliability that SCRR demonstrated

571
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,395
they were able to provide.

572
00:29:25,395 --> 00:29:27,724
Ecology scored higher on the sustainability

573
00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:32,125
and it is a core portion of their business and their ethic.

574
00:29:32,125 --> 00:29:35,765
Finally with respect to exceptions to agreement,

575
00:29:35,765 --> 00:29:40,258
SCRR took none, and orcology had a handful

576
00:29:40,258 --> 00:29:41,514
of exceptions they propose.

577
00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:45,517
After the evaluation panel completed, its consensus scoring

578
00:29:45,517 --> 00:29:48,429
process, SCRR was the highest ranked proposer

579
00:29:48,429 --> 00:29:51,429
by a margin of one.

580
00:29:51,477 --> 00:29:55,770
Following the evaluation process being concluded,

581
00:29:55,218 --> 00:30:00,185
the town's negotiation team with support from my firm

582
00:30:00,185 --> 00:30:02,658
moved into the negotiation process,

583
00:30:02,658 --> 00:30:08,580
and again, the RFP contemplated how that would proceed,

584
00:30:09,495 --> 00:30:13,850
which was to move forward with the highest ranked proposer.

585
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:14,645
Was identified as that.

586
00:30:14,645 --> 00:30:17,525
And the award is based on the proposal providing

587
00:30:17,525 --> 00:30:20,429
the most advantageous proposal with the best

588
00:30:20,429 --> 00:30:23,151
interests of the town after all factors have been considered,

589
00:30:23,151 --> 00:30:26,151
the evaluation panel did determine

590
00:30:26,539 --> 00:30:29,210
that SCRR best met the interests of the town

591
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:31,325
and provided the most advantageous proposal.

592
00:30:31,325 --> 00:30:36,125
And though rates were not controlling post negotiations,

593
00:30:36,725 --> 00:30:40,785
we did end up with rates with SCRR

594
00:30:40,785 --> 00:30:42,805
that were the lowest overall across all sectors.

595
00:30:42,805 --> 00:30:44,513
And that is detailed in the staff report.

596
00:30:44,513 --> 00:30:47,775
We will show the results of that on the subsequent slides.

597
00:30:47,775 --> 00:30:51,845
The take home message here for the council and the community is

598
00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:56,645
ultimately that all ratepayers across all service sectors

599
00:30:57,613 --> 00:31:02,445
and classes will see reductions in rates effective beginning

600
00:31:02,445 --> 00:31:06,450
of this new agreement, October 1st, 2027.

601
00:31:06,305 --> 00:31:09,745
In this slide and the subsequent slides com

602
00:31:09,745 --> 00:31:11,805
you can see both the current rates

603
00:31:11,805 --> 00:31:14,213
that are effective and in place today.

604
00:31:14,213 --> 00:31:17,771
Those will remain in place through March of 2027.

605
00:31:17,771 --> 00:31:23,495
There will be a final adjustment to those rates in the existing

606
00:31:23,495 --> 00:31:28,245
agreement, which does not expire until September 30th of 2027.

607
00:31:28,245 --> 00:31:31,855
So what we are showing you is current rates to the rates

608
00:31:31,855 --> 00:31:33,468
as they will be in October.

609
00:31:33,468 --> 00:31:35,285
There will be one slight adjustment.

610
00:31:35,285 --> 00:31:37,510
And I will cover the timing of that

611
00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:38,675
towards the end of this presentation.

612
00:31:38,675 --> 00:31:43,157
This slide shows the rates for single family residence

613
00:31:43,157 --> 00:31:46,869
as well as those that would be identified

614
00:31:46,869 --> 00:31:50,824
as single family residence within a multi-family dwellings.

615
00:31:50,824 --> 00:31:52,885
Or something like a mobile home park

616
00:31:52,885 --> 00:31:57,193
that has individual containers for each and every resident

617
00:31:57,193 --> 00:31:59,373
within a mobile home park.

618
00:31:59,373 --> 00:32:04,450
Picking the 32 gallon monthly bundle rate based on the garbage

619
00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:07,345
container size, you can see going from a current rate

620
00:32:07,345 --> 00:32:11,551
of $39.50 to a new rate effective in October of next

621
00:32:11,551 --> 00:32:15,751
year of 35.87 for a reduction of $3 and $0.63.

622
00:32:18,951 --> 00:32:22,509
You can see that repeated for the service

623
00:32:22,509 --> 00:32:24,191
level shown on this slide.

624
00:32:24,191 --> 00:32:26,225
The story is largely the same when

625
00:32:26,225 --> 00:32:29,311
we talk about multifamily rates, mfdc

626
00:32:29,311 --> 00:32:31,500
means multifamily commercial.

627
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,395
Receiving commercial type services

628
00:32:33,395 --> 00:32:36,155
in larger centralized bins rather than

629
00:32:36,155 --> 00:32:39,373
individual services and carts to each residence.

630
00:32:39,373 --> 00:32:45,453
Here you can see rates will be lower than present come October

631
00:32:45,453 --> 00:32:46,749
1st, 2027.

632
00:32:46,749 --> 00:32:48,589
That was for garbage.

633
00:32:48,589 --> 00:32:50,395
This is for recycling.

634
00:32:50,395 --> 00:32:52,375
Similar story.

635
00:32:52,375 --> 00:32:54,802
For organics also a similar story.

636
00:32:54,802 --> 00:32:56,260
The service levels that I'm showing

637
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:59,293
are those service levels that have current subscriptions

638
00:32:59,293 --> 00:33:00,189
to them.

639
00:33:00,189 --> 00:33:02,118
If you look into the staff packet

640
00:33:02,118 --> 00:33:03,981
as well as into the agreement, there

641
00:33:03,981 --> 00:33:07,265
are lots of different service types

642
00:33:07,265 --> 00:33:09,665
available to multi-family dwellings

643
00:33:10,351 --> 00:33:11,745
and commercial businesses.

644
00:33:11,745 --> 00:33:15,535
We are just showing those where there are known subscribers

645
00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:16,765
today.

646
00:33:16,765 --> 00:33:18,179
So this is a snapshot.

647
00:33:18,179 --> 00:33:21,605
To put it all on one slide would make your eyes hurt.

648
00:33:21,605 --> 00:33:25,860
There are also new rates for a new rate category.

649
00:33:25,860 --> 00:33:30,132
This was something that came up through the community engagement

650
00:33:30,132 --> 00:33:34,332
process, establishing rates for existing mixed use

651
00:33:34,435 --> 00:33:38,350
dwellings, meaning both multifamily and commercial

652
00:33:38,685 --> 00:33:41,538
with shared containers and shared enclosures.

653
00:33:41,538 --> 00:33:45,765
This is a new rate category going forward.

654
00:33:45,765 --> 00:33:48,456
Currently and the current rates that are shown

655
00:33:48,456 --> 00:33:49,664
are current commercial rates.

656
00:33:49,664 --> 00:33:51,610
They are slightly different than the commercial rates

657
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:53,770
because there's a different blend

658
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:55,245
of solid waste materials and also credits

659
00:33:55,245 --> 00:33:56,585
that are being applied.

660
00:33:56,585 --> 00:34:01,565
So again, through this new rate category, compared to existing

661
00:34:01,565 --> 00:34:04,275
commercial rates, mixed use dwellings

662
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:09,165
with reductions for garbage rates, same for recycling rates,

663
00:34:09,165 --> 00:34:11,565
same for organic rates.

664
00:34:11,585 --> 00:34:14,591
Finally with respect to commercial customers,

665
00:34:14,591 --> 00:34:17,526
the story is here at the same.

666
00:34:17,526 --> 00:34:20,238
You can see the change in rate from existing rate

667
00:34:20,238 --> 00:34:23,625
to the October 2027 rates with reductions

668
00:34:23,625 --> 00:34:26,825
for garbage rates for commercial businesses,

669
00:34:26,825 --> 00:34:29,825
recycling rates for commercial businesses,

670
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:32,875
and organics rates for commercial businesses.

671
00:34:32,875 --> 00:34:36,738
The final rate category I will cover

672
00:34:36,738 --> 00:34:38,685
is a brand new rate category.

673
00:34:38,685 --> 00:34:42,745
It relates to no longer providing free services

674
00:34:42,745 --> 00:34:46,705
to government entities, the town, the school district,

675
00:34:46,705 --> 00:34:48,349
and the fire district.

676
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:53,749
There are new rate categories stipulated within the agreement.

677
00:34:54,397 --> 00:34:58,985
The town will pay directly for solid rate services per those

678
00:34:58,985 --> 00:35:00,985
rates .

679
00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:06,925
During negotiation and element of reimbursements

680
00:35:06,925 --> 00:35:09,138
of the town for the cost of this RFP process

681
00:35:09,138 --> 00:35:14,465
as well as a placeholder for the cost of a transition

682
00:35:14,465 --> 00:35:16,998
that are actually being leveraged as a credit

683
00:35:16,998 --> 00:35:21,450
to the town so it will offset your initial solid waste costs

684
00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:24,485
rather than paying directly in the first portion

685
00:35:24,485 --> 00:35:26,773
of the new agreement year.

686
00:35:26,773 --> 00:35:30,885
If the town were to proceed with solid waste services

687
00:35:30,885 --> 00:35:32,557
at existing service levels, which

688
00:35:32,557 --> 00:35:34,645
we know are higher than necessary,

689
00:35:34,645 --> 00:35:36,145
they will be right sized.

690
00:35:36,145 --> 00:35:39,717
That would be on the order of around $660,000 a year,

691
00:35:39,717 --> 00:35:44,500
but that has been discussed with the proposer as well as with

692
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:47,698
staff, and there will be a right sizing effort in advance

693
00:35:47,698 --> 00:35:50,785
of the town receiving charges for that service.

694
00:35:50,785 --> 00:35:54,485
And the fire station will also be subject to those same rates.

695
00:35:54,485 --> 00:35:57,200
When it comes to the school district,

696
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,437
the maximum rates in the agreement

697
00:35:58,437 --> 00:36:02,893
do serve as the highest rate they would pay.

698
00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:04,685
But they are not bound to go with the rates

699
00:36:04,685 --> 00:36:06,985
in the services provided in this recommended agreement.

700
00:36:06,985 --> 00:36:10,685
The district is able to contract separately

701
00:36:10,685 --> 00:36:14,285
with either SCRR or another provider

702
00:36:15,285 --> 00:36:16,955
and to negotiate their own rates.

703
00:36:16,955 --> 00:36:19,955
So they are not bound by the rates for government that

704
00:36:19,955 --> 00:36:22,885
are included in this agreement, but they

705
00:36:22,885 --> 00:36:24,801
wanted to make sure this was disclosed.

706
00:36:24,801 --> 00:36:28,331
And this is what those rates are for the first year

707
00:36:28,331 --> 00:36:29,191
of the agreement.

708
00:36:29,191 --> 00:36:30,905
I'm not comparing them to existing rates

709
00:36:30,905 --> 00:36:32,613
because there aren't existing rates being

710
00:36:32,613 --> 00:36:38,325
paid for government entities and just to show what they are.

711
00:36:38,325 --> 00:36:42,229
In the final few slides, I wanted

712
00:36:42,229 --> 00:36:44,215
to highlight some of what you are

713
00:36:44,215 --> 00:36:46,355
getting in this new agreement.

714
00:36:46,355 --> 00:36:48,238
And it's something that we did cover

715
00:36:48,238 --> 00:36:50,645
in more detail in the February meeting

716
00:36:50,645 --> 00:36:54,725
and in the previous community engagement meetings.

717
00:36:54,725 --> 00:36:57,517
But the key terms and conditions,

718
00:36:57,517 --> 00:36:59,839
I have already hit the point of we

719
00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:02,525
are looking at rates in 2027 that are lower

720
00:37:02,525 --> 00:37:04,925
than the existing 2026 rates.

721
00:37:05,165 --> 00:37:08,155
The proposers did provide rates that

722
00:37:08,155 --> 00:37:10,541
were proportionate to the cost of providing service

723
00:37:10,541 --> 00:37:12,589
and all attested to that.

724
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:17,591
It's a ten year agreement term that would expire in 2037, as

725
00:37:17,591 --> 00:37:19,845
per the town code.

726
00:37:19,845 --> 00:37:22,493
There were enhancements to the overall terms and conditions

727
00:37:22,493 --> 00:37:26,378
in the agreement to meet new performance, legal,

728
00:37:26,378 --> 00:37:28,595
and compliance in state law standards.

729
00:37:28,595 --> 00:37:31,450
What happens when you update these every ten year.

730
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:36,580
Conditions change and so those have been updated.

731
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:40,455
I that the $275,000 that were set aside for reimbursement was

732
00:37:40,455 --> 00:37:43,125
actually being leveraged now to credit and offset

733
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:45,635
the town's initial solid waste costs.

734
00:37:45,635 --> 00:37:49,805
Importantly, and this will be positive news for many

735
00:37:49,805 --> 00:37:55,700
in the community, there will no longer be dual stream recycling

736
00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:55,695
collection.

737
00:37:55,695 --> 00:37:58,595
That was a requirement of the RFP

738
00:37:58,595 --> 00:38:03,395
that proposers move to single stream recycling collection.

739
00:38:03,987 --> 00:38:07,101
SCRR has committed to have recycling carts in place

740
00:38:07,101 --> 00:38:11,873
by October 1st of 2027 at the start of the new agreement

741
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:12,839
if not before.

742
00:38:12,839 --> 00:38:15,450
And that is a goal they have.

743
00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:17,485
Coming up on the right side, much

744
00:38:17,485 --> 00:38:20,155
of what we heard through the community engagement process

745
00:38:20,155 --> 00:38:23,750
was around the in pricing.

746
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:25,885
For folks to understand and know and have faith in the fact

747
00:38:25,885 --> 00:38:27,302
that they are paying for what they

748
00:38:27,302 --> 00:38:29,381
get and not for what somebody else gets.

749
00:38:29,381 --> 00:38:34,181
We did achieve through the RFP process getting

750
00:38:35,237 --> 00:38:39,245
the special access for multifamily mixed use residents

751
00:38:39,245 --> 00:38:42,505
to have equivalent services to single family residents.

752
00:38:42,505 --> 00:38:46,317
We have maintained a senior discount at 10%.

753
00:38:46,317 --> 00:38:49,877
Going forward, you have had annual adjustments

754
00:38:49,877 --> 00:38:51,541
to your service rates.

755
00:38:51,541 --> 00:38:55,378
Those have typically occurred in April of each year.

756
00:38:55,378 --> 00:38:58,338
We did shift that timing because you noted

757
00:38:58,338 --> 00:39:01,850
or I noted earlier you're going to have one more rate

758
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:02,990
adjustment coming up in April of 2027,

759
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:04,865
and then they're going to go down in October.

760
00:39:04,865 --> 00:39:07,671
And that is because the rate adjustment time frame was offset

761
00:39:07,671 --> 00:39:09,637
from the term of the agreement.

762
00:39:09,637 --> 00:39:11,165
We've actually aligned those.

763
00:39:11,165 --> 00:39:13,205
So next time you come through this process,

764
00:39:13,205 --> 00:39:15,455
you won't have that awkward timing difference.

765
00:39:15,455 --> 00:39:19,311
It will continue to be what is called a refuse rate index.

766
00:39:19,311 --> 00:39:21,551
I will cover that on the next slide.

767
00:39:21,551 --> 00:39:24,565
And there are good limitations in the agreement on the ways

768
00:39:24,565 --> 00:39:28,115
in which the contractor could come forward and request

769
00:39:28,115 --> 00:39:32,690
other sorts of rate adjustments for changes in cost.

770
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:36,653
Really the main objective is to decouple your changes in rates

771
00:39:36,653 --> 00:39:39,157
to customers from their changes in cost

772
00:39:39,157 --> 00:39:42,829
and have them triggered to these exterior market indices.

773
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:46,980
This is how your agreement has functioned to present.

774
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,105
But we have made through this process simplification

775
00:39:49,105 --> 00:39:53,363
and streamlining changes that will make it easier for the town

776
00:39:53,363 --> 00:39:56,815
to administer, simpler for residents and ratepayers

777
00:39:56,815 --> 00:39:58,900
and commercial businesses to understand,

778
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,879
and also will align the timing with the agreement.

779
00:40:02,879 --> 00:40:07,242
This just gives you a little bit of an overview of what an RRI

780
00:40:07,242 --> 00:40:09,239
it looks like.

781
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,330
It pegs their change in compensation

782
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:13,565
to the ways in which the Bureau of Labor Statistics

783
00:40:13,565 --> 00:40:18,677
and other market indices change for labor, fuel, vehicles,

784
00:40:18,677 --> 00:40:24,125
and it also ties to the changes that the county and Zero waste

785
00:40:24,125 --> 00:40:26,229
Sonoma have for composting and disposal

786
00:40:26,229 --> 00:40:29,485
and to changes that happen in the recyclables marketplace.

787
00:40:29,485 --> 00:40:33,477
Importantly for the council and for ratepayers going forward,

788
00:40:33,477 --> 00:40:37,685
if you recall your most recent rate adjustment

789
00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:40,897
adoption, with a little bit of a different percentage

790
00:40:40,897 --> 00:40:43,390
change to each and every customer class,

791
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:46,325
and there was no one uniform rate adjustment.

792
00:40:46,325 --> 00:40:49,149
Going forward you'll have one uniform rate adjustment

793
00:40:49,149 --> 00:40:51,398
for all rate payer types at once,

794
00:40:51,398 --> 00:40:56,445
which will make it easier to understand for everyone.

795
00:40:56,445 --> 00:40:59,225
In terms of the programs and services included

796
00:40:59,225 --> 00:41:02,205
in the agreements, on the left side

797
00:41:02,205 --> 00:41:04,365
are all of the services that Preexisted.

798
00:41:04,365 --> 00:41:08,450
These are services that the town and its ratepayers

799
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:09,310
receive today.

800
00:41:09,310 --> 00:41:10,893
Those will be maintained going forward

801
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:13,805
and they are included in the base rate proposals

802
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:15,297
that they proposers made.

803
00:41:15,297 --> 00:41:17,805
On the right side were those services

804
00:41:17,805 --> 00:41:20,398
that we sought proposers to tell us what

805
00:41:20,398 --> 00:41:22,690
the additional costs would be.

806
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:23,677
And they all did.

807
00:41:23,677 --> 00:41:25,629
But through negotiations, we were

808
00:41:25,629 --> 00:41:28,365
able to fold those into the base rates

809
00:41:28,365 --> 00:41:33,165
with at contractor goodwill, meaning no additional charge.

810
00:41:34,165 --> 00:41:35,805
That is a strong value added benefit

811
00:41:35,805 --> 00:41:39,741
to the town and the ratepayers moving forward, including a site

812
00:41:39,741 --> 00:41:43,941
location for potential CRV drop off center,

813
00:41:44,617 --> 00:41:47,705
five cardboard locations for drop off throughout the town,

814
00:41:47,705 --> 00:41:50,125
a second week of holiday tree collection,

815
00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:53,725
a second collection of bulky waste.

816
00:41:53,997 --> 00:41:56,945
All of those were folded in at no additional charge

817
00:41:56,945 --> 00:42:00,991
above the base rates that SCRR put forward.

818
00:42:00,991 --> 00:42:04,629
In terms of next steps, two night staff

819
00:42:04,629 --> 00:42:08,169
is asking for the council consideration of the recommended

820
00:42:08,169 --> 00:42:10,169
contract with SCRR.

821
00:42:10,667 --> 00:42:13,138
I do just want to remind the Council and the community,

822
00:42:13,138 --> 00:42:16,676
we will see another final rate adjustment through the existing

823
00:42:16,676 --> 00:42:19,676
agreement with SCRR in April.

824
00:42:19,794 --> 00:42:22,751
If adopted, the new rates and the agreement would go

825
00:42:22,751 --> 00:42:26,493
into effect, lower rates effective October 1st along with

826
00:42:26,493 --> 00:42:29,361
the new single stream recycling carts being delivered

827
00:42:29,361 --> 00:42:31,323
by or before that date.

828
00:42:31,323 --> 00:42:34,475
In your future you would just see the annual rate adjustments

829
00:42:34,475 --> 00:42:37,795
through the ROI process through the end of the term

830
00:42:37,795 --> 00:42:40,369
of the agreement effective October 1st annually.

831
00:42:40,369 --> 00:42:43,969
With respect to the recommended action,

832
00:42:44,285 --> 00:42:46,565
you heard this a little bit already

833
00:42:46,565 --> 00:42:48,885
through staff's introductory remarks,

834
00:42:48,885 --> 00:42:53,325
there is a franchise fee included in the agreement.

835
00:42:53,325 --> 00:42:57,765
There has been a change in the approach to the franchise fee,

836
00:42:57,765 --> 00:43:02,885
stipulating it as an annualized dollar amount per agreement year

837
00:43:02,885 --> 00:43:05,736
that annual dollar amount would escalate by CPI

838
00:43:05,736 --> 00:43:07,445
over the course of the term.

839
00:43:07,445 --> 00:43:10,505
And it is to cover the town's costs associated

840
00:43:10,505 --> 00:43:13,315
with managing and administering this agreement.

841
00:43:13,315 --> 00:43:16,685
Other solid waste services that the town provides, supplementing

842
00:43:16,685 --> 00:43:21,445
what the contractor provides, and the use of the government

843
00:43:21,445 --> 00:43:23,191
property on the public right of way

844
00:43:23,191 --> 00:43:24,858
for the collection of those containers.

845
00:43:24,858 --> 00:43:28,211
So this is a justified amount through a study

846
00:43:28,211 --> 00:43:31,357
that is appended in your report that we did back in 2024.

847
00:43:31,357 --> 00:43:37,350
The amount has been escalated by CPI from what is in the report.

848
00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:41,410
A brief update, we did note as we were preparing for tonight

849
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,365
there were two minor typographical errors

850
00:43:43,365 --> 00:43:45,365
in the exhibits.

851
00:43:45,365 --> 00:43:48,978
Exhibit five, transition plan, the header on those tables

852
00:43:48,978 --> 00:43:52,365
was incorrectly titled exhibit eight, Collection Service

853
00:43:52,365 --> 00:43:53,309
operation plan.

854
00:43:53,309 --> 00:43:55,845
The context of the exhibit are correct.

855
00:43:55,845 --> 00:43:56,930
The header was wrong.

856
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:58,933
So we do in the council's action hope

857
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:01,858
that we can get an amended action just

858
00:44:01,858 --> 00:44:06,110
to clarify that as well as exhibit seven, customer service

859
00:44:06,110 --> 00:44:10,510
and billing plan at a slightly incorrect title to the table.

860
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:14,850
Just minor typographical errors and we apologize for those.

861
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:17,444
We also want to state that the town did

862
00:44:17,444 --> 00:44:23,444
receive a protest to the award that was since rescinded.

863
00:44:23,629 --> 00:44:28,525
Staff and our three communicated with the protesting proposer

864
00:44:28,525 --> 00:44:32,130
to address their concerns and issues

865
00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:36,237
and they withdrew their protest in advance of the meeting.

866
00:44:36,237 --> 00:44:38,437
The recommended action tonight, this

867
00:44:38,437 --> 00:44:40,109
is as per what is in the staff report

868
00:44:40,109 --> 00:44:42,965
along with the amended for those two exhibit

869
00:44:42,965 --> 00:44:46,565
typographical corrections, both asking the council

870
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:48,645
to adopt a resolution authorizing

871
00:44:48,645 --> 00:44:51,185
the execution of the new agreement and

872
00:44:51,185 --> 00:44:53,637
then separately adopt a resolution setting

873
00:44:53,637 --> 00:44:57,837
the first year franchise fee at $1.225 million

874
00:44:58,953 --> 00:45:02,540
to cover the town's costs associated with solid waste

875
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:03,400
services.

876
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,840
With that, I, stop, as well as representatives

877
00:45:08,692 --> 00:45:15,839
from SCRR in the room and on Zoom are I to take questions.

878
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:17,447
Thank you for your time.

879
00:45:17,447 --> 00:45:19,905
>> We will go ahead and start first with any questions from

880
00:45:19,905 --> 00:45:21,289
the Council.

881
00:45:21,289 --> 00:45:24,289
Does anyone have a question?

882
00:45:32,386 --> 00:45:37,325
>> Currently we get service for the port a potty at our events.

883
00:45:37,325 --> 00:45:40,150
And I didn't see that.

884
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:42,265
I understood it was going to be part of this contract.

885
00:45:42,265 --> 00:45:44,125
Is it part of the contract?

886
00:45:44,125 --> 00:45:44,791
>> Correct.

887
00:45:44,791 --> 00:45:49,805
It's part of the town sponsored events at goodwill.

888
00:45:49,805 --> 00:45:52,805
>> The franchise fee, $1.25 million annually,

889
00:45:57,963 --> 00:46:03,645
use of the public right of way, traditionally that has been wear

890
00:46:03,645 --> 00:46:06,454
and tear on the roads.

891
00:46:06,454 --> 00:46:10,654
We're just not saying it that way.

892
00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:15,285
They are heavy, and on residential streets

893
00:46:15,845 --> 00:46:19,500
they do over time damage the streets.

894
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:23,805
Is that pretty much the same thing --

895
00:46:25,998 --> 00:46:32,598
a good portion of this money for maintenance of the streets?

896
00:46:33,850 --> 00:46:34,597
>> It's not.

897
00:46:34,597 --> 00:46:36,565
It's actually for the use of the street.

898
00:46:36,565 --> 00:46:40,765
California Court of Appeals decision last year

899
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:43,845
that ruled the use of the franchise fee

900
00:46:43,845 --> 00:46:48,325
for maintenance of roads was no longer allowed.

901
00:46:48,325 --> 00:46:51,341
So that is maintenance of town streets

902
00:46:51,341 --> 00:46:53,765
is not included in this number at this time.

903
00:46:53,765 --> 00:46:57,765
>> There may be legislation that may change that?

904
00:46:57,765 --> 00:46:59,778
>> There may be, yes.

905
00:46:59,778 --> 00:47:01,778
>> How about that?

906
00:47:02,565 --> 00:47:06,765
>> The last one, the town separate fees,

907
00:47:08,645 --> 00:47:11,675
they are not equivalent to commercial,

908
00:47:11,675 --> 00:47:13,215
but there are more than residential.

909
00:47:13,215 --> 00:47:18,965
Is that pretty much -- you had a slide that showed a cross

910
00:47:18,965 --> 00:47:20,238
for a 60 gallon can.

911
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:25,638
It looked like it was more than the residential

912
00:47:29,421 --> 00:47:32,421
but less than the commercial.

913
00:47:34,215 --> 00:47:36,951
>> They are different from the commercial and different from

914
00:47:36,951 --> 00:47:38,306
the other rate categories.

915
00:47:38,306 --> 00:47:42,458
The proposer -- and these were also negotiated to make sure

916
00:47:42,458 --> 00:47:48,605
they had the right fit for the town paranoid but ultimately

917
00:47:48,605 --> 00:47:54,133
they are not covering all of say the centralized services that

918
00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:57,370
are provided in part because there is that uncertainty

919
00:47:57,370 --> 00:48:01,618
as to what the actual final amount of need the town is going

920
00:48:01,618 --> 00:48:02,765
to have would be.

921
00:48:02,765 --> 00:48:06,258
And so they wanted to make sure that they were fully

922
00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:09,589
covering centralized costs through rates that were known

923
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:12,138
to be stable and consistent.

924
00:48:12,138 --> 00:48:15,500
Whereas town service levels are a little

925
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:16,765
uncertain at this point.

926
00:48:16,765 --> 00:48:20,485
>> My last question, the differences in the residential

927
00:48:20,485 --> 00:48:24,685
rates which are significantly lower than commercial,

928
00:48:25,185 --> 00:48:28,645
it appears to me based on economies of scale.

929
00:48:28,645 --> 00:48:30,358
In other words in the residential street,

930
00:48:30,358 --> 00:48:34,645
they can pick up a dozen cans in the same time

931
00:48:34,645 --> 00:48:37,280
that, may be less time they they would pick up

932
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,447
one of their commercials at.

933
00:48:38,447 --> 00:48:42,190
Is that pretty much the difference because we

934
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:45,418
can't really -- we are getting away from subsidizing

935
00:48:45,418 --> 00:48:50,218
the residential through commercial and the mixed use?

936
00:48:52,805 --> 00:48:56,887
>> The way I see it, and I'm not the operator, but yes,

937
00:48:56,887 --> 00:48:59,910
my understanding is in the residential space ultimately,

938
00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:02,285
you are collecting this home and the next home right away

939
00:49:02,285 --> 00:49:05,341
and there is very little time between those stops.

940
00:49:05,341 --> 00:49:08,145
There is more time between commercial stops.

941
00:49:08,145 --> 00:49:11,490
The operators probably the best one to help

942
00:49:11,490 --> 00:49:13,781
assert an answer to that question.

943
00:49:13,781 --> 00:49:15,605
But yes, I think there are differences

944
00:49:15,605 --> 00:49:17,149
between the conditions of service

945
00:49:17,149 --> 00:49:22,125
and the efficiencies of service in each of the sectors.

946
00:49:22,125 --> 00:49:23,500
>> Thank you.

947
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,605
>> Does anyone else have a question?

948
00:49:27,645 --> 00:49:30,325
>> I have a quick question.

949
00:49:30,325 --> 00:49:31,637
Can you please clarify?

950
00:49:31,637 --> 00:49:34,685
You said in your presentation that the town and the government

951
00:49:34,685 --> 00:49:37,255
services were included last time.

952
00:49:37,255 --> 00:49:39,149
But I'm actually relative cost of those

953
00:49:39,149 --> 00:49:42,370
were lumped into and spread out across the years

954
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:43,494
that we're paying at the time.

955
00:49:43,494 --> 00:49:46,354
So now we have separated that out.

956
00:49:46,354 --> 00:49:49,111
So the town will be paying for the cost

957
00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:51,685
of the pickup for government services

958
00:49:51,685 --> 00:49:54,285
where the ratepayers across town will

959
00:49:54,285 --> 00:49:55,845
no longer be paying for those.

960
00:49:55,845 --> 00:49:57,365
Is that correct?

961
00:49:57,365 --> 00:49:59,145
>> Correct.

962
00:49:59,145 --> 00:50:02,845
Although it may state it a little differently.

963
00:50:02,845 --> 00:50:05,655
Patel will be paying directly for services.

964
00:50:05,655 --> 00:50:09,589
Whereas for existing soon to expire contract, it does

965
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:10,949
pay for those services.

966
00:50:10,949 --> 00:50:15,500
But we don't have complete clarity on is exactly who is

967
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:19,864
paying for what with respect to those services --

968
00:50:19,864 --> 00:50:22,197
we know the contract for providing those services and we

969
00:50:22,197 --> 00:50:25,397
know the expenses to provide those services and that those

970
00:50:25,397 --> 00:50:28,835
expenses are most likely covered through the revenues they are

971
00:50:28,835 --> 00:50:33,350
receiving from elsewhere in their business operations.

972
00:50:33,525 --> 00:50:35,450
>> Anybody else?

973
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:36,821
I have one question.

974
00:50:36,821 --> 00:50:42,912
I just want to go back to the rates that are going to be

975
00:50:42,912 --> 00:50:44,912
effective on 10/1/2027.

976
00:50:44,916 --> 00:50:47,316
That's a year out.

977
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:51,383
So are you telling us that those rates that

978
00:50:51,383 --> 00:50:54,629
are on that list, those won't change?

979
00:50:54,629 --> 00:50:56,671
>> Correct, those are going to be fixed in place.

980
00:50:56,671 --> 00:50:59,705
If you authorize this agreement, those are the rates you'll see

981
00:50:59,705 --> 00:51:01,705
come October 1st, 27.

982
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:08,805
>> And when are they able to do another rate increase?

983
00:51:08,805 --> 00:51:11,205
>> Not until October 1st, 28.

984
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:14,804
>> Once a year they can.

985
00:51:14,804 --> 00:51:17,469
And there is a limit to how much rate increase?

986
00:51:17,469 --> 00:51:20,862
Is there a >> There was no cap included.

987
00:51:20,862 --> 00:51:22,445
It wasn't the one included in the RFP.

988
00:51:22,445 --> 00:51:24,165
There isn't one today.

989
00:51:24,165 --> 00:51:26,475
What it is is a formulaic approach

990
00:51:26,475 --> 00:51:28,433
based on market indices.

991
00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:33,725
They're going to have to pull this market data that

992
00:51:33,725 --> 00:51:35,750
is publicly available.

993
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:36,922
Anyone else can pull it and we pull it

994
00:51:36,922 --> 00:51:38,464
in order to check their math and make

995
00:51:38,464 --> 00:51:41,165
sure they've done it correctly.

996
00:51:41,165 --> 00:51:44,658
And it spits out the outcome and it

997
00:51:44,658 --> 00:51:47,293
is meant to approximate their change in cost

998
00:51:47,293 --> 00:51:52,410
for labor, fuel, equipment, post-collection exposal and all

999
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:53,393
of that.

1000
00:51:53,393 --> 00:51:56,598
Importantly what they can't do in that regular rate adjustment

1001
00:51:56,598 --> 00:51:59,525
year is say we have had these changes in cost

1002
00:51:59,525 --> 00:52:01,658
and we're going to plug them into that

1003
00:52:01,658 --> 00:52:03,778
and we bought a new truck or whatever.

1004
00:52:03,778 --> 00:52:06,339
And he just can't say we have any changes in cost

1005
00:52:06,339 --> 00:52:08,631
and automatically flow those through to the ratepayers.

1006
00:52:08,631 --> 00:52:10,965
They have opportunities to kill that

1007
00:52:10,965 --> 00:52:14,498
under special circumstances, but as the regular course

1008
00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:17,325
of business through the regular annual rate adjustments,

1009
00:52:17,325 --> 00:52:20,949
it is a formulaic approach decoupled from costs

1010
00:52:20,949 --> 00:52:24,549
and informed by external market factors.

1011
00:52:26,823 --> 00:52:28,238
>> All right.

1012
00:52:28,238 --> 00:52:28,738
Please.

1013
00:52:28,738 --> 00:52:31,385
>> A quick follow up to that, and I apologize.

1014
00:52:31,385 --> 00:52:33,605
I missed my briefing on this contract.

1015
00:52:33,605 --> 00:52:35,885
Maybe Meg should already know this.

1016
00:52:35,885 --> 00:52:40,485
How do fluctuations -- if there's wild fluctuations

1017
00:52:40,485 --> 00:52:44,693
in fuel costs between now and their ability to take

1018
00:52:44,693 --> 00:52:48,905
their first rate increase, how do we handle that?

1019
00:52:48,905 --> 00:52:53,653
If fuel goes to $9 a gallon, what are we doing?

1020
00:52:53,653 --> 00:52:55,611
>> Between now and their first rate adjustment,

1021
00:52:55,611 --> 00:52:58,611
which would be October 1st, 2028,

1022
00:52:59,787 --> 00:53:05,565
the math of that refuse rate index takes into account

1023
00:53:05,565 --> 00:53:07,565
the annual changes.

1024
00:53:07,579 --> 00:53:10,205
It's not just pick one month and another month

1025
00:53:10,205 --> 00:53:11,725
and compare those differences.

1026
00:53:11,725 --> 00:53:14,861
It's looking at the prior 12 months worth of change compared

1027
00:53:14,861 --> 00:53:17,455
to the 12 months prior to that.

1028
00:53:17,455 --> 00:53:20,220
So there is this normalizing effect.

1029
00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:22,669
If fuel is higher for a full 12 months,

1030
00:53:22,669 --> 00:53:25,675
that will flow through into those calculations.

1031
00:53:25,675 --> 00:53:29,965
But it is also only in proportion to the amount

1032
00:53:29,965 --> 00:53:33,713
that fuel costs within the overall system.

1033
00:53:33,713 --> 00:53:36,182
So this is around $10 million a year.

1034
00:53:36,182 --> 00:53:39,605
I don't have it at the top of my head how much of that is fuel.

1035
00:53:39,605 --> 00:53:42,765
But it's only the amount of fuel fluctuation

1036
00:53:42,765 --> 00:53:45,681
that would flow through into that annual rate adjustment

1037
00:53:45,681 --> 00:53:46,181
process.

1038
00:53:46,181 --> 00:53:48,270
But I would flow through.

1039
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:51,221
I do think if you saw something extreme,

1040
00:53:51,221 --> 00:53:53,635
you as a town would have the opportunity

1041
00:53:53,635 --> 00:53:56,406
to approach the contractor and say,

1042
00:53:56,406 --> 00:53:58,841
hey, this is extreme this year.

1043
00:53:58,841 --> 00:54:01,145
Might we consider phasing this in or moving it out?

1044
00:54:01,145 --> 00:54:02,898
I'm not saying they would commit to that,

1045
00:54:02,898 --> 00:54:04,273
but they do have that opportunity

1046
00:54:04,273 --> 00:54:07,273
to approach them about that.

1047
00:54:12,124 --> 00:54:12,666
>> Thank you.

1048
00:54:12,666 --> 00:54:14,263
I'd like to open this up to the public.

1049
00:54:14,263 --> 00:54:16,346
Any member of the public wishing to make a comment

1050
00:54:16,346 --> 00:54:19,245
may approach the podium and you will have three minutes.

1051
00:54:19,245 --> 00:54:22,245
Good evening, Allison Johnson, SCRR.

1052
00:54:24,456 --> 00:54:27,250
I wanted to thank you guys for allowing us to service you

1053
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:28,817
for the last nine years and the partnership

1054
00:54:28,817 --> 00:54:34,685
that we have with the town, town staff, the residents of Windsor.

1055
00:54:34,685 --> 00:54:37,778
Hope that you approve the next ten years

1056
00:54:37,778 --> 00:54:39,445
and we really look forward to continuing

1057
00:54:39,445 --> 00:54:43,250
to provide exemplary service to the town, the residents,

1058
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:44,610
and the community.

1059
00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:47,257
We sponsor a lot of events in the town.

1060
00:54:47,257 --> 00:54:48,965
We are out and about and we will continue

1061
00:54:48,965 --> 00:54:52,109
to do that even though we have included some of your services

1062
00:54:52,109 --> 00:54:55,605
at goodwill, but we still have a commitment

1063
00:54:55,605 --> 00:54:59,110
to sponsor the summer concerts, sponsor kaboom, all

1064
00:54:59,110 --> 00:55:00,553
those little things that we do extra.

1065
00:55:00,553 --> 00:55:03,951
And I want to thank you guys for allowing us to be here.

1066
00:55:03,951 --> 00:55:05,951
Thank you.

1067
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:14,810
>> Good evening, mayor Reynoso, council members.

1068
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,605
My name is Andy Fulton.

1069
00:55:16,605 --> 00:55:18,401
I'm the assistant general manager there.

1070
00:55:18,401 --> 00:55:22,562
And tonight I wanted to take my time to just really congratulate

1071
00:55:22,562 --> 00:55:23,359
SCRR.

1072
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:29,141
It was a very competitive process that got played out.

1073
00:55:29,141 --> 00:55:32,460
They have earned the recommendation.

1074
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:34,405
And we just wanted to congratulate them.

1075
00:55:34,405 --> 00:55:38,991
I also wanted to thank the ad hoc committee, specifically

1076
00:55:38,991 --> 00:55:44,391
Christina and Sean, being shepherded by Garth, a very

1077
00:55:46,545 --> 00:55:48,485
fair and transparent process.

1078
00:55:48,485 --> 00:55:50,533
Just offer our gratitude and we appreciate

1079
00:55:50,533 --> 00:55:52,133
being part of the process.

1080
00:55:52,133 --> 00:55:56,615
And for the future we'd love to talk about any opportunities

1081
00:55:56,615 --> 00:55:57,925
that come up.

1082
00:55:57,925 --> 00:56:00,325
Thank you very much.

1083
00:56:08,666 --> 00:56:09,368
>> Hi.

1084
00:56:09,368 --> 00:56:10,710
Betsy Mallis.

1085
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:13,277
To tag on to what Councilmember Salmon said,

1086
00:56:13,277 --> 00:56:18,831
the franchise fee was set for next year at this 1,225,000.

1087
00:56:18,831 --> 00:56:25,525
What was the fee or what is the fee going to be for this year?

1088
00:56:25,525 --> 00:56:29,442
And what is that actual cost of the fee, not what you pay out

1089
00:56:29,442 --> 00:56:31,610
but what the cost is?

1090
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:35,435
I know you said it was set to start

1091
00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:39,783
and then there was a cost of CPI yearly.

1092
00:56:39,783 --> 00:56:43,898
But then as Council member salmon said,

1093
00:56:43,898 --> 00:56:45,167
the law could change.

1094
00:56:45,167 --> 00:56:49,109
What happens if the law changes or your expenses

1095
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:53,309
on the franchise fee change or increase?

1096
00:56:57,605 --> 00:57:03,755
What are the options for that to change if it need be,

1097
00:57:03,755 --> 00:57:07,269
if it no longer covers the cost of the town that franchise

1098
00:57:07,269 --> 00:57:10,387
fee, if something changes, whether it's a law or just

1099
00:57:10,387 --> 00:57:11,405
an expense?

1100
00:57:11,405 --> 00:57:13,805
What are the options?

1101
00:57:14,349 --> 00:57:16,987
How locked in are you onto that fee,

1102
00:57:16,987 --> 00:57:19,365
and is that fee going to cover every cost

1103
00:57:19,365 --> 00:57:23,798
that the town would have or could have in the next ten

1104
00:57:23,798 --> 00:57:24,347
years?

1105
00:57:24,347 --> 00:57:27,125
What are the available options for it?

1106
00:57:27,125 --> 00:57:29,125
Thank you.

1107
00:57:29,685 --> 00:57:32,685
>> Anyone else from the public?

1108
00:57:40,531 --> 00:57:42,281
>> Good evening mayor and council members.

1109
00:57:42,281 --> 00:57:45,185
I'm the vice president of municipal franchises

1110
00:57:45,185 --> 00:57:46,303
with Green Waste Recovery.

1111
00:57:46,303 --> 00:57:48,345
I want to sincerely thank you for the opportunity

1112
00:57:48,345 --> 00:57:51,453
to participate in the town's solid waste procurement process.

1113
00:57:51,453 --> 00:57:54,535
We've had a very positive experience working with

1114
00:57:54,535 --> 00:57:56,105
and getting to know the town staff

1115
00:57:56,105 --> 00:57:57,605
throughout the entire process.

1116
00:57:57,605 --> 00:57:59,645
We appreciate the effort that went into the RFP

1117
00:57:59,645 --> 00:58:02,781
and we are proud of the proposal that Greenway submitted.

1118
00:58:02,781 --> 00:58:04,665
Our approach was to present rates

1119
00:58:04,665 --> 00:58:06,445
that honestly and transparently reflect

1120
00:58:06,445 --> 00:58:09,982
the true cost of providing service as required by the RFP.

1121
00:58:09,982 --> 00:58:12,773
We did so based on a cost of service methodology

1122
00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:16,509
that we know with confidence was consistent with the RFP emphasis

1123
00:58:16,509 --> 00:58:18,509
on fiscal transparency.

1124
00:58:18,764 --> 00:58:22,715
While every company has its own business model,

1125
00:58:22,715 --> 00:58:24,757
the fundamental cost of operating in our industry

1126
00:58:24,757 --> 00:58:25,257
are similar.

1127
00:58:25,257 --> 00:58:29,321
We respect the town's decision and congratulate SCRR

1128
00:58:29,321 --> 00:58:30,885
with tonight's recommendation.

1129
00:58:30,885 --> 00:58:32,805
Although we were not selected, Green Waste

1130
00:58:32,805 --> 00:58:35,730
appreciates the opportunity to have participated.

1131
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:37,730
Thank you.

1132
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:40,290
>> Anyone else from the public?

1133
00:58:49,780 --> 00:58:50,241
>> Good evening.

1134
00:58:50,241 --> 00:58:52,905
Sorry for the dress but didn't have time between practice

1135
00:58:52,905 --> 00:58:53,906
and getting here.

1136
00:58:53,906 --> 00:58:57,405
And all those three people wearing those nice suits,

1137
00:58:57,405 --> 00:58:59,325
I feel underdressed.

1138
00:58:59,325 --> 00:59:03,500
I wanted to thank the town on behalf of the school board

1139
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:05,740
allowing us to be part of the ad hoc committee.

1140
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:10,540
I want to thank John, Christina, especially Dorothy.

1141
00:59:10,765 --> 00:59:15,485
I've been involved in a lot of different groups and things.

1142
00:59:15,485 --> 00:59:17,885
It was really excellent.

1143
00:59:20,565 --> 00:59:24,285
Garth, probably one of the best consultants since I've

1144
00:59:24,285 --> 00:59:25,597
seen in government in 30 years.

1145
00:59:25,597 --> 00:59:27,253
Played it right down the middle.

1146
00:59:27,253 --> 00:59:29,467
If you asked him what color it was, he told you.

1147
00:59:29,467 --> 00:59:32,238
If you asked him how much it weighed, he told you.

1148
00:59:32,238 --> 00:59:33,917
He didn't shade it one way or the other,

1149
00:59:33,917 --> 00:59:36,479
just gave you the information it was really valuable for me.

1150
00:59:36,479 --> 00:59:39,325
I was able to take it back to the rest of our board members

1151
00:59:39,325 --> 00:59:41,445
to explain what this is.

1152
00:59:41,445 --> 00:59:44,297
Because this is calculus at least.

1153
00:59:44,297 --> 00:59:46,725
I don't know what is past that because I didn't get

1154
00:59:46,725 --> 00:59:48,325
to the calculus part either.

1155
00:59:48,325 --> 00:59:54,635
But there's so many things as you guys know that change how

1156
00:59:54,635 --> 00:59:55,991
everything turns out.

1157
00:59:55,991 --> 00:59:58,105
But I wanted to let you guys know we appreciate

1158
00:59:58,105 --> 00:59:59,485
you being part of it.

1159
00:59:59,485 --> 01:00:06,685
Appreciate the work that you guys all-- the town put into it.

1160
01:00:08,619 --> 01:00:11,558
So now school board, we get to figure out now

1161
01:00:11,558 --> 01:00:13,449
what we are doing over this next year.

1162
01:00:13,449 --> 01:00:15,157
Thank you for doing the preliminary work.

1163
01:00:15,157 --> 01:00:19,111
And now we have learned from that and we get to proceed on.

1164
01:00:19,111 --> 01:00:20,805
Thank you very much.

1165
01:00:20,805 --> 01:00:22,495
>> Thank you.

1166
01:00:22,495 --> 01:00:25,265
One last call for public comment.

1167
01:00:25,265 --> 01:00:27,385
Seeing no one lined up at the podium,

1168
01:00:27,385 --> 01:00:32,524
I'm going to bring it back to the council for discussion.

1169
01:00:32,524 --> 01:00:35,100
And I just have to start off by saying

1170
01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:39,845
I was here ten years ago for the previous contract.

1171
01:00:39,845 --> 01:00:45,285
I am so impressed by the positivity and the remarks

1172
01:00:45,285 --> 01:00:48,285
from the other two agencies.

1173
01:00:48,925 --> 01:00:54,925
It's really refreshing to see that here before the Council.

1174
01:00:55,825 --> 01:00:57,875
Thank you to the other two contractors.

1175
01:00:57,875 --> 01:01:00,275
Thank you very much.

1176
01:01:01,205 --> 01:01:05,325
Anyone else like to start with the discussion?

1177
01:01:05,325 --> 01:01:09,725
What we want to do here with this resolution?

1178
01:01:09,725 --> 01:01:13,925
>> Could we have the question answered about the financial?

1179
01:01:13,925 --> 01:01:17,525
>> I'm happy to answer, >> Thank you.

1180
01:01:20,270 --> 01:01:22,485
>> The existing franchise fee and the existing agreement is

1181
01:01:22,485 --> 01:01:26,485
not formulated as a dollar value per year.

1182
01:01:26,485 --> 01:01:30,415
It is framed as a percentage of gross revenue per year.

1183
01:01:30,415 --> 01:01:32,500
That is 10%.

1184
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:38,500
The amount of annual dollars in the 1.225 for the coming

1185
01:01:38,525 --> 01:01:40,253
first year of this new agreement is

1186
01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:43,823
right around the same as what the town receives now and will

1187
01:01:43,823 --> 01:01:45,365
continue to receive for the next year

1188
01:01:45,365 --> 01:01:49,469
under the existing agreement through that percentage based

1189
01:01:49,469 --> 01:01:49,969
approach.

1190
01:01:49,969 --> 01:01:52,260
I think that answers the first part of the question.

1191
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:54,933
There is parity amongst the amounts.

1192
01:01:54,933 --> 01:01:56,545
There are not substantially changing.

1193
01:01:56,545 --> 01:01:58,450
We are just changing from percentage

1194
01:01:58,450 --> 01:01:59,421
to an annual dollar amount.

1195
01:01:59,421 --> 01:02:02,998
Net receipts to the town should be approximately similar

1196
01:02:02,998 --> 01:02:07,838
to your amount if the town -- for example if there were

1197
01:02:07,838 --> 01:02:10,500
legislation that changed what the town could recover

1198
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,391
for street pavement impacts or if there were changes

1199
01:02:12,391 --> 01:02:18,391
in the town cost-- the town doesn't programs around solid

1200
01:02:18,797 --> 01:02:22,932
waste on its own or those changes in reductions in cost,

1201
01:02:22,932 --> 01:02:25,615
and it's the reason that we have in the agreement

1202
01:02:25,615 --> 01:02:29,625
the town's ability to set the franchise fee resolution.

1203
01:02:29,625 --> 01:02:32,507
So if there were a change in cost

1204
01:02:32,507 --> 01:02:35,610
or a change in legislation or law in the future,

1205
01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:39,365
it meant the town wanted to change the franchise fee amount,

1206
01:02:39,365 --> 01:02:41,925
the town wanted to engage a study on what the new franchise

1207
01:02:41,925 --> 01:02:43,925
fee amount should be, and then you

1208
01:02:43,925 --> 01:02:49,185
would consider authorization of a resolution resetting that fee.

1209
01:02:49,185 --> 01:02:51,925
And then there would be a mechanism for the contractor

1210
01:02:51,925 --> 01:02:54,149
to recover the revenues of that fee

1211
01:02:54,149 --> 01:02:57,450
through a component of a rate adjustment.

1212
01:02:57,450 --> 01:03:03,450
Or if it was to reduce, a credit to repairs.

1213
01:03:04,442 --> 01:03:06,442
>> So any discussion?

1214
01:03:06,488 --> 01:03:09,716
Anyone have any comments they want to share, thoughts,

1215
01:03:09,716 --> 01:03:13,885
or are we ready for a motion?

1216
01:03:13,885 --> 01:03:16,850
>> Just a little comment I'd like to make.

1217
01:03:16,850 --> 01:03:19,738
I did participate in the ad hoc committee in the beginning that

1218
01:03:19,738 --> 01:03:21,242
set some of the numbers there.

1219
01:03:21,242 --> 01:03:25,245
And I just want to say it was sometimes contentious.

1220
01:03:25,245 --> 01:03:27,245
It was honest.

1221
01:03:27,931 --> 01:03:29,931
It was fun.

1222
01:03:30,231 --> 01:03:33,591
And they managed to get to the end of negotiating

1223
01:03:33,591 --> 01:03:37,465
various numbers, all sorts of different people

1224
01:03:37,465 --> 01:03:40,404
from the community, the businesses, the school

1225
01:03:40,404 --> 01:03:46,404
district all working on the main weighting of the values

1226
01:03:50,135 --> 01:03:51,178
that were coming through.

1227
01:03:51,178 --> 01:03:55,978
It was a very open and honest process.

1228
01:03:56,545 --> 01:04:02,354
And it was working with Garth and Christina and everybody.

1229
01:04:02,354 --> 01:04:05,370
It's been a fantastic process to watch

1230
01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:11,370
happen and watch it happen in a very straightforward manner.

1231
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:16,245
I'm very happy with the way -- not so much specifically who won

1232
01:04:16,245 --> 01:04:19,500
the contract, but just the way it turned out in terms of its

1233
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:19,505
process.

1234
01:04:19,505 --> 01:04:24,231
So good job, Christina really, very well done.

1235
01:04:24,231 --> 01:04:26,231
Thank you.

1236
01:04:29,491 --> 01:04:35,491
>> This was the fourth contract I had been involved in.

1237
01:04:36,276 --> 01:04:42,865
And I have to say I don't think we have ever

1238
01:04:42,865 --> 01:04:47,665
had competitive entities, the winner and the losers,

1239
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,280
be so respectful.

1240
01:04:53,826 --> 01:04:55,679
Pretty amazing.

1241
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:59,879
Thank you, Orcology, and thank you, greenways.

1242
01:05:00,951 --> 01:05:03,118
The big thanks goes to Christina and the consultants

1243
01:05:03,118 --> 01:05:06,645
because people really believed in the process and believed --

1244
01:05:06,645 --> 01:05:08,645
in so close.

1245
01:05:09,450 --> 01:05:11,510
That's when it gets really dicey.

1246
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:14,651
One point out of 100 or-- yeah.

1247
01:05:16,229 --> 01:05:20,831
That's one it can be a lot of arguing and hard feelings.

1248
01:05:20,831 --> 01:05:22,831
Pretty amazing.

1249
01:05:23,845 --> 01:05:27,365
The other comment I will have is that even

1250
01:05:27,365 --> 01:05:32,515
though the rates are lower, this is for the general public--

1251
01:05:32,515 --> 01:05:36,805
there's some other costs to the town, school district,

1252
01:05:36,805 --> 01:05:38,135
and fire department.

1253
01:05:38,135 --> 01:05:42,965
Those costs we will pay one way or another because they are not

1254
01:05:42,965 --> 01:05:43,637
discretionary.

1255
01:05:43,637 --> 01:05:49,205
The town is not going to say we will just

1256
01:05:49,205 --> 01:05:50,965
have to give up our garbage pickup

1257
01:05:50,965 --> 01:05:54,911
and that'll be-- we're just not going to do that,

1258
01:05:54,911 --> 01:05:55,591
save that money.

1259
01:05:55,591 --> 01:05:58,610
It is also a reflection on what we

1260
01:05:58,610 --> 01:06:03,461
were dealing with in terms of public budgets, higher

1261
01:06:03,975 --> 01:06:05,975
costs, less revenue.

1262
01:06:07,315 --> 01:06:10,315
Thank you, Christina, and everyone.

1263
01:06:10,835 --> 01:06:14,873
I think we have got a good ten year contract.

1264
01:06:14,873 --> 01:06:20,685
Windsor was the leader in having competitive bids for garbage.

1265
01:06:20,685 --> 01:06:24,365
And I don't know, there's some communities

1266
01:06:24,365 --> 01:06:27,845
that will extend their contracts because it is not

1267
01:06:27,845 --> 01:06:28,885
voter mandated.

1268
01:06:28,885 --> 01:06:31,881
But we were the ones that put it on the map

1269
01:06:31,881 --> 01:06:35,445
and we should be very proud of it.

1270
01:06:35,445 --> 01:06:37,445
>> Vice mayor.

1271
01:06:38,567 --> 01:06:39,527
>> Thank you so much.

1272
01:06:39,527 --> 01:06:42,885
I want to say again as well as Councilmember Leap said

1273
01:06:42,885 --> 01:06:45,593
is to thank you to everyone who was on the ad hoc committee

1274
01:06:45,593 --> 01:06:48,957
and on the committee for the town staff

1275
01:06:48,957 --> 01:06:50,951
as well for the selection committee.

1276
01:06:50,951 --> 01:06:52,316
It was a lot of work.

1277
01:06:52,316 --> 01:06:53,661
It was a lot of time.

1278
01:06:53,661 --> 01:06:58,461
And so many good conversations, and really truly

1279
01:06:59,178 --> 01:07:04,578
centered around transparency and how the rates are decided

1280
01:07:04,711 --> 01:07:09,511
and how we would be able to separate

1281
01:07:09,765 --> 01:07:13,385
each layer in the town of Windsor

1282
01:07:13,385 --> 01:07:19,119
so we could get an idea of how each group is paying the rates,

1283
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:20,920
whether it be single family home.

1284
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:28,120
We added in a multi use section this year or this contract.

1285
01:07:28,351 --> 01:07:34,258
Where we didn't have our multi use areas of town broken out

1286
01:07:34,258 --> 01:07:36,580
into a different payment section,

1287
01:07:36,580 --> 01:07:39,577
we do have that now for more transparency.

1288
01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:43,278
And I want to thank the school district for being part of that

1289
01:07:43,278 --> 01:07:45,945
as well even though knowing that they were going to be separated

1290
01:07:45,945 --> 01:07:50,377
out of the contract and they were going

1291
01:07:50,377 --> 01:07:52,850
to have to pay their rates going forward,

1292
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:54,543
it was nice to have them present and have their information

1293
01:07:54,543 --> 01:07:57,193
and input into that group.

1294
01:07:57,193 --> 01:08:02,724
Ultimately I was happy to see that the rates are reduced.

1295
01:08:02,724 --> 01:08:05,178
That is what I was hoping to see, especially

1296
01:08:05,178 --> 01:08:07,576
having the government entities pulled out of it.

1297
01:08:07,576 --> 01:08:10,829
That makes me happy for the community members

1298
01:08:10,829 --> 01:08:15,305
to be able to have something in our lives go down.

1299
01:08:15,305 --> 01:08:18,790
Because it just continues to go up and up and up.

1300
01:08:18,790 --> 01:08:22,624
It was really nice to see that while not drastic it still

1301
01:08:22,624 --> 01:08:23,791
is a reduction in something.

1302
01:08:23,791 --> 01:08:25,590
And I'm happy for that.

1303
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:28,489
And I want to thank the Council for trusting Council Member Leap

1304
01:08:28,489 --> 01:08:31,315
and myself on the ad hoc committee.

1305
01:08:31,315 --> 01:08:33,898
I hope we were able to produce what you guys were looking for.

1306
01:08:33,898 --> 01:08:36,755
And I think we did with this contract coming forward

1307
01:08:36,755 --> 01:08:38,385
and the RFP process.

1308
01:08:38,385 --> 01:08:40,785
Thank you so much.

1309
01:08:40,845 --> 01:08:43,218
>> And before someone makes a motion,

1310
01:08:43,218 --> 01:08:47,461
I just want to add that through this process,

1311
01:08:47,461 --> 01:08:49,865
the committee definitely heard the public and one

1312
01:08:49,865 --> 01:08:54,665
of the biggest items was a split cams.

1313
01:08:54,867 --> 01:08:59,185
I knew they were genuine in the beginning

1314
01:08:59,185 --> 01:09:01,665
and the state mandates in separating recycling.

1315
01:09:01,665 --> 01:09:05,265
It was definitely something we continued

1316
01:09:06,261 --> 01:09:10,200
to hear throughout the past year is that residents did not

1317
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,680
like the split cans.

1318
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:13,793
Hopefully beside the lower rates,

1319
01:09:13,793 --> 01:09:19,445
I think we're going to have a lot of very happy residents

1320
01:09:19,445 --> 01:09:20,373
come 2027.

1321
01:09:20,373 --> 01:09:24,459
Thank you everybody again for participating and your time.

1322
01:09:24,459 --> 01:09:30,317
So I would like to entertain someone to make a motion on two

1323
01:09:30,317 --> 01:09:32,717
items separately or --

1324
01:09:33,149 --> 01:09:34,893
separate?.

1325
01:09:34,893 --> 01:09:40,893
Would someone like to make a >> I'll go for it.

1326
01:09:41,605 --> 01:09:42,685
>> Go for it.

1327
01:09:42,685 --> 01:09:46,471
>> So I move to adopt a resolution authorizing

1328
01:09:46,471 --> 01:09:50,925
the execution of the Solid Waste Management Franchise agreement

1329
01:09:50,925 --> 01:09:55,725
with Sonoma County Resource Recovery LLC, for residential,

1330
01:09:56,565 --> 01:10:00,165
multifamily, and commercial garbage recycling materials,

1331
01:10:00,325 --> 01:10:03,765
recyclable materials, and organic waste collection

1332
01:10:03,765 --> 01:10:07,415
services for the period of October 1st, 2027,

1333
01:10:07,415 --> 01:10:09,415
through September 30th, 2037.

1334
01:10:10,105 --> 01:10:12,805
And authorize the Town Manager to execute it

1335
01:10:12,805 --> 01:10:16,925
on behalf of the town as amended.

1336
01:10:16,925 --> 01:10:18,925
>> Second.

1337
01:10:20,437 --> 01:10:22,837
>> Roll call vote please.

1338
01:10:23,674 --> 01:10:25,674
[members voting]

1339
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:30,220
>> Thank you.

1340
01:10:30,453 --> 01:10:32,905
>> And now someone make a motion on the second one.

1341
01:10:32,905 --> 01:10:35,525
>> I can make the second motion, adopt a resolution setting

1342
01:10:35,525 --> 01:10:39,725
the franchise fee at $1,225,000 for October 1st , 2027,

1343
01:10:44,763 --> 01:10:48,213
3rd September 30th, 2028, with a cost of living escalator

1344
01:10:48,213 --> 01:10:51,629
for year two in consecutive years following the term

1345
01:10:51,629 --> 01:10:54,185
of the franchise agreement to recover the cost of solid waste

1346
01:10:54,185 --> 01:10:56,685
related to the services in the town of Windsor.

1347
01:10:56,685 --> 01:10:59,850
>> Is there a second?

1348
01:10:59,845 --> 01:11:01,125
>> Second.

1349
01:11:01,125 --> 01:11:03,525
>> Roll call vote, please.

1350
01:11:04,843 --> 01:11:06,843
[members voting]

1351
01:11:09,637 --> 01:11:11,151
>> Thank you.

1352
01:11:11,151 --> 01:11:12,405
>> Thank you so much.

1353
01:11:12,405 --> 01:11:15,261
>> If I could briefly call Mayor,

1354
01:11:15,261 --> 01:11:21,261
I would echo coach Carnation's comments about our three, Garth.

1355
01:11:23,196 --> 01:11:27,581
Consultants are only as good to the town as the project manager

1356
01:11:27,581 --> 01:11:28,709
is that leads the project.

1357
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:30,698
This has been a three year project.

1358
01:11:30,698 --> 01:11:34,981
Christina came to us in 2023, February 23rd I believe.

1359
01:11:34,981 --> 01:11:37,825
Has been working on that since the day she got back.

1360
01:11:37,825 --> 01:11:39,685
I appreciate Council's support.

1361
01:11:39,685 --> 01:11:41,685
Christina, thank you.

1362
01:11:42,485 --> 01:11:45,485
You've done a great job.

1363
01:11:49,137 --> 01:11:50,171
>> Perfect.

1364
01:11:50,171 --> 01:11:52,171
Thank you, everybody.

1365
01:11:52,253 --> 01:11:56,165
We are going to shuffle around a little bit

1366
01:11:56,165 --> 01:11:59,165
and move on to item 13.2.

1367
01:12:00,553 --> 01:12:04,370
This is consideration of amendments to the gas station

1368
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:06,370
and ordinance.

1369
01:12:15,587 --> 01:12:16,782
>> Ready?

1370
01:12:16,782 --> 01:12:17,311
>>Yes.

1371
01:12:17,311 --> 01:12:19,350
>> Thank you, mayor, members.

1372
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:21,285
I'm Kim Vogue a planner with the community development

1373
01:12:21,285 --> 01:12:21,785
department.

1374
01:12:21,785 --> 01:12:25,765
I'm joined by Tim Card, development manager.

1375
01:12:25,765 --> 01:12:29,450
This presentation is intended to give the council an overview

1376
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:32,165
of the policy landscape surrounding the town's gas

1377
01:12:32,165 --> 01:12:33,405
station ban ordinance.

1378
01:12:33,405 --> 01:12:37,450
And to identify whether there is any additional analysis

1379
01:12:37,450 --> 01:12:38,867
needed from here on.

1380
01:12:38,867 --> 01:12:44,867
So there is no action being taken in tonight's meeting.

1381
01:12:46,245 --> 01:12:47,781
Let's see here.

1382
01:12:47,781 --> 01:12:52,265
The gas station ban ties back to previous town

1383
01:12:52,265 --> 01:12:56,850
regional and state policies, including climate emergency

1384
01:12:56,850 --> 01:12:58,705
resolutions and the town's general plan.

1385
01:12:58,705 --> 01:13:00,621
The governor signed an executive order

1386
01:13:00,621 --> 01:13:04,277
to phase out new gas powered vehicle sales by 2035.

1387
01:13:04,277 --> 01:13:07,989
I mentioned that because it was a specific topic of conversation

1388
01:13:07,989 --> 01:13:10,989
at the council's previous discussion.

1389
01:13:11,485 --> 01:13:13,578
I'll come back to that in the next slide.

1390
01:13:13,578 --> 01:13:18,398
In 2021 the City of Palma adopted a gas station ban

1391
01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:19,671
ordinance.

1392
01:13:19,671 --> 01:13:22,671
Following Petaluma's lead, our CA

1393
01:13:25,166 --> 01:13:28,845
spearheaded an effort to get all local jurisdictions to enact

1394
01:13:28,845 --> 01:13:30,450
a similar ordinance.

1395
01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:32,405
Our CPA is a regional climate protection authority

1396
01:13:32,405 --> 01:13:34,713
of which the town is a member.

1397
01:13:34,713 --> 01:13:38,385
And in 2022, Windsor's gas station ban ordinance

1398
01:13:38,385 --> 01:13:40,385
was adopted.

1399
01:13:41,325 --> 01:13:44,695
This goes into a little bit more detail.

1400
01:13:44,695 --> 01:13:48,895
The California Air Resources Board or CARB

1401
01:13:50,256 --> 01:13:53,637
approved a rule called Advance Clean Cars two, which

1402
01:13:53,637 --> 01:13:57,565
was intended to implement the governor's executive order.

1403
01:13:57,565 --> 01:13:59,913
That was effective November 30th, 2022.

1404
01:13:59,913 --> 01:14:04,113
And then in May of 2025, that order

1405
01:14:04,125 --> 01:14:07,725
was suspended by federal government, which

1406
01:14:08,165 --> 01:14:09,693
rescinded the Clean Air Act waiver

1407
01:14:09,693 --> 01:14:11,368
for the state of California.

1408
01:14:11,368 --> 01:14:14,968
So that is now in litigation.

1409
01:14:16,690 --> 01:14:19,650
I wanted to confirm that because it was also a discussion

1410
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:20,738
item at the last meeting and put that

1411
01:14:20,738 --> 01:14:23,205
in the record for the Council.

1412
01:14:23,205 --> 01:14:26,237
And then to continue on at this timeline,

1413
01:14:26,237 --> 01:14:30,709
I added the General Plan amendment in February, 2020,

1414
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:36,125
to the GHG policies to catch up with state policy

1415
01:14:36,125 --> 01:14:39,710
and the adoption of the checklist, which

1416
01:14:39,710 --> 01:14:42,650
was a streamlined mechanism for development projects

1417
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:45,665
that were subject to sequa analysis.

1418
01:14:51,165 --> 01:14:54,765
In April, the Council asked staff

1419
01:14:56,927 --> 01:14:59,301
to revisit the gas station ban ordinance,

1420
01:14:59,301 --> 01:15:01,517
not to make a specific change at this time

1421
01:15:01,517 --> 01:15:03,309
but to evaluate whether the ordinance still

1422
01:15:03,309 --> 01:15:04,685
fits the current conditions.

1423
01:15:04,685 --> 01:15:08,150
There is interest in exploring whether potentially large scale

1424
01:15:08,150 --> 01:15:12,950
retail could help stabilize the town's revenue issues.

1425
01:15:13,122 --> 01:15:16,722
So large-scale retailers have been mentioned,

1426
01:15:17,205 --> 01:15:20,365
which typically include or require gas stations

1427
01:15:20,365 --> 01:15:22,765
as an accessory use.

1428
01:15:28,245 --> 01:15:31,570
Did I skip a page here?

1429
01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:34,955
The governor's executive order on gas powered vehicles

1430
01:15:34,955 --> 01:15:37,325
is suspended along with federal Rescissions.

1431
01:15:37,325 --> 01:15:41,391
And there is uncertainty to the long term regulatory landscape.

1432
01:15:41,391 --> 01:15:43,729
These changes don't dictate local policies,

1433
01:15:43,729 --> 01:15:46,353
but they do change the backdrop against which

1434
01:15:46,353 --> 01:15:47,975
the ordinance was adopted.

1435
01:15:47,975 --> 01:15:51,500
To support the discussion, we've outlined potential pathways

1436
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:54,605
that Council may want to consider.

1437
01:15:55,965 --> 01:15:59,565
To maintain the existing ordinance com

1438
01:15:59,978 --> 01:16:03,578
maintain Winsor's current climate action trajectory,

1439
01:16:03,825 --> 01:16:07,425
which would provide certainty going forward.

1440
01:16:08,438 --> 01:16:15,380
The second is to just look into a full repeal, allowing

1441
01:16:15,565 --> 01:16:20,965
applications for new standalone gas stations in zoning districts

1442
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:23,695
as they were before.

1443
01:16:23,695 --> 01:16:26,210
Subject to Sequa review.

1444
01:16:26,210 --> 01:16:31,150
This would address the request from fuel industry stakeholders.

1445
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:35,605
The third one would be to look into target elements

1446
01:16:35,605 --> 01:16:40,405
for large scale retail users with accessory gas

1447
01:16:43,215 --> 01:16:46,815
stations in selected zoning districts potentially.

1448
01:16:47,205 --> 01:16:49,665
Again, this evening is not about a decision.

1449
01:16:49,665 --> 01:16:52,245
It is about what pathways mean and what

1450
01:16:52,245 --> 01:16:54,133
the implications would be.

1451
01:16:54,133 --> 01:16:58,338
We could also look into particular performance standards

1452
01:16:58,338 --> 01:17:00,738
and possible mitigation measures.

1453
01:17:02,357 --> 01:17:06,557
This would need more analysis moving forward.

1454
01:17:07,645 --> 01:17:10,565
We did an initial screen of where something like this

1455
01:17:10,565 --> 01:17:11,371
could be located.

1456
01:17:11,371 --> 01:17:14,660
There were a few candidate sites.

1457
01:17:14,660 --> 01:17:17,551
It looks like the sites would need to be at least 15 acres.

1458
01:17:17,551 --> 01:17:19,225
There are not very many in Windsor.

1459
01:17:19,225 --> 01:17:23,290
We found two, one at the very north end of town

1460
01:17:23,290 --> 01:17:25,321
on one of the south end of town column up both of which

1461
01:17:25,321 --> 01:17:27,685
have significant environmental constraints, including

1462
01:17:27,685 --> 01:17:29,685
access constraints.

1463
01:17:30,878 --> 01:17:35,102
These slides not suggesting any particular retail risk coming

1464
01:17:35,102 --> 01:17:37,853
forward at this time or any particular project is feasible.

1465
01:17:37,853 --> 01:17:43,853
It is just an initial screening of potential or theoretical

1466
01:17:45,375 --> 01:17:47,375
project could go.

1467
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:53,329
So large scale retail could potentially

1468
01:17:53,338 --> 01:17:56,405
contribute to long term revenue stability for the town

1469
01:17:56,405 --> 01:17:59,135
through its sales taxes and related economic activities.

1470
01:17:59,135 --> 01:18:03,173
We are just operating with very limited information right now.

1471
01:18:03,173 --> 01:18:08,275
We are limited the number of parcels that are suitable.

1472
01:18:08,275 --> 01:18:11,885
The feasibility would depend on retailers interests.

1473
01:18:11,885 --> 01:18:13,595
We haven't had anyone come forward.

1474
01:18:13,595 --> 01:18:16,550
There is no application or commitment

1475
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:17,978
from potential retailers at this time.

1476
01:18:17,978 --> 01:18:23,698
We don't know what the regional competitiveness would be right

1477
01:18:23,698 --> 01:18:26,698
now, or the actual feasibility.

1478
01:18:26,798 --> 01:18:29,722
We just don't have that information.

1479
01:18:29,722 --> 01:18:32,895
So we have received some written comments in response

1480
01:18:32,895 --> 01:18:33,885
to tonight's item.

1481
01:18:33,885 --> 01:18:37,348
The first one should have been attached to your staff report.

1482
01:18:37,348 --> 01:18:39,658
That was from an industry group called California Fuels

1483
01:18:39,658 --> 01:18:40,858
and Convenience Alliance.

1484
01:18:40,858 --> 01:18:43,450
They're requesting consideration of a full repeal

1485
01:18:43,450 --> 01:18:45,245
on the basis of economic development

1486
01:18:45,245 --> 01:18:46,801
and equal opportunity.

1487
01:18:46,801 --> 01:18:50,893
There was one written comment in support of that request

1488
01:18:50,893 --> 01:18:53,293
for a full repeal.

1489
01:18:53,376 --> 01:18:56,976
Then there were four other comments

1490
01:18:59,682 --> 01:19:03,225
I think I got in time for this meeting that

1491
01:19:03,225 --> 01:19:05,880
were all in support of the continuing

1492
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,815
as the ordinance was written.

1493
01:19:08,815 --> 01:19:13,330
And then additionally, Dan Forge sent a letter.

1494
01:19:13,330 --> 01:19:15,580
I don't know if it was on your dais,

1495
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:18,551
and then a couple more emails in support as that letter came in.

1496
01:19:18,551 --> 01:19:21,330
These are the comps that came in.

1497
01:19:21,330 --> 01:19:23,505
I just wanted to say this is a summary of public comments.

1498
01:19:23,505 --> 01:19:25,205
It's not necessarily a representative of the broader

1499
01:19:25,205 --> 01:19:26,265
community sentiment.

1500
01:19:26,265 --> 01:19:28,845
We expect more input and a broader community

1501
01:19:28,845 --> 01:19:31,565
outreach if we went forward with some kind of amendment.

1502
01:19:31,565 --> 01:19:34,170
We would incorporate that feedback

1503
01:19:34,170 --> 01:19:37,170
as the Council provides direction.

1504
01:19:38,805 --> 01:19:41,861
Some potential options for tonight, no action

1505
01:19:41,861 --> 01:19:43,451
would be happening tonight.

1506
01:19:43,451 --> 01:19:46,125
One would just be to accept the staff presentation.

1507
01:19:46,125 --> 01:19:51,525
Two would be to identify preferred pathway going forward.

1508
01:19:52,509 --> 01:19:54,895
And three to identify any particular information

1509
01:19:54,895 --> 01:19:58,209
or analysis they would like to see in the future.

1510
01:19:58,209 --> 01:20:01,809
So that wraps up my report.

1511
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:05,341
I'm happy to answer questions.

1512
01:20:05,341 --> 01:20:08,231
And Tim is here also to answer questions.

1513
01:20:08,231 --> 01:20:09,909
>> Thank you very much.

1514
01:20:09,909 --> 01:20:12,285
This is a time for questions, but I

1515
01:20:12,285 --> 01:20:14,925
want to throw out for the public again what

1516
01:20:14,925 --> 01:20:18,945
I heard you say was that there is no interest right now

1517
01:20:18,945 --> 01:20:24,321
for anyone to come to Windsor and build gas stations.

1518
01:20:24,321 --> 01:20:25,620
Right?

1519
01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:28,593
>> I have not had any interest come across my desk as far

1520
01:20:28,593 --> 01:20:31,593
as a standalone gas station.

1521
01:20:32,481 --> 01:20:34,481
No.

1522
01:20:34,916 --> 01:20:36,916
>> Can you --

1523
01:20:37,275 --> 01:20:38,455
I'm sorry.

1524
01:20:38,455 --> 01:20:39,627
I have to ask.

1525
01:20:39,627 --> 01:20:44,879
Have you had an interest for any retail stores that come in?

1526
01:20:44,879 --> 01:20:48,151
>> No large format retailer has directly reached out to me.

1527
01:20:48,151 --> 01:20:50,185
However, I have heard of interest

1528
01:20:50,185 --> 01:20:54,645
through second hand real estate brokers and intermediaries,

1529
01:20:54,645 --> 01:20:56,885
that type of thing.

1530
01:20:56,885 --> 01:21:00,485
>> So yes, again, and I'm sorry.

1531
01:21:01,365 --> 01:21:03,429
I'm breaking my own rule here.

1532
01:21:03,429 --> 01:21:06,815
But just like someone during public comment mentioned,

1533
01:21:06,815 --> 01:21:10,273
the flock camera, we have brought the flock camera

1534
01:21:10,273 --> 01:21:12,690
discussion to the council because that is what we do here.

1535
01:21:12,690 --> 01:21:14,810
We listen to the public.

1536
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:16,245
We listen to concerns or requests.

1537
01:21:16,245 --> 01:21:20,765
And so we are having staff bring this item before us

1538
01:21:20,765 --> 01:21:23,405
because we want to be able to have

1539
01:21:23,405 --> 01:21:26,188
this forum for this information to get out.

1540
01:21:26,188 --> 01:21:28,933
I just wanted to add that before.

1541
01:21:28,933 --> 01:21:32,533
So any questions for staff, please?

1542
01:21:34,581 --> 01:21:36,290
Anyone?

1543
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:38,290
Go ahead.

1544
01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:41,685
>> What we are considering is the possibility of direction

1545
01:21:41,685 --> 01:21:44,850
to amend an ordinance.

1546
01:21:46,805 --> 01:21:49,976
An ordinance can be amended at any time by this Council

1547
01:21:49,976 --> 01:21:51,745
or future Council.

1548
01:21:51,745 --> 01:21:56,245
That's pretty much the state of the nature of the animal?

1549
01:21:56,245 --> 01:21:58,245
>> Correct.

1550
01:22:00,332 --> 01:22:02,332
>> Any other questions?

1551
01:22:02,918 --> 01:22:04,918
Go ahead.

1552
01:22:08,283 --> 01:22:14,850
>> Tim, do you have any -- for either a big box retail store

1553
01:22:14,850 --> 01:22:16,565
or a standalone gas station, what would be the financial

1554
01:22:16,565 --> 01:22:18,645
implications before the town?

1555
01:22:18,645 --> 01:22:21,370
>> I have much better data on standalone gas stations.

1556
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:24,175
We have 14 standalone gas stations in town.

1557
01:22:24,175 --> 01:22:26,713
I can't tell you what the individual sales tax

1558
01:22:26,713 --> 01:22:28,782
representation of each one of them are.

1559
01:22:28,782 --> 01:22:33,498
But that aggregate it is about $400,000 a year or about 7.7%

1560
01:22:33,498 --> 01:22:39,498
of our sales tax revenue from those four gas stations.

1561
01:22:39,562 --> 01:22:46,440
>> And if you had to guess, how are the big box retail?

1562
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:47,336
>> It's difficult to speculate.

1563
01:22:47,336 --> 01:22:50,395
But if you were to say a big box retail with a gas station,

1564
01:22:50,395 --> 01:22:52,715
I would have to assume that would

1565
01:22:52,715 --> 01:22:54,345
be in excess of $1 million.

1566
01:22:54,345 --> 01:22:56,429
But that would be pure speculation.

1567
01:22:56,429 --> 01:22:58,565
I haven't looked into those numbers.

1568
01:22:58,565 --> 01:23:00,565
Thank you.

1569
01:23:04,222 --> 01:23:05,205
>> Any other questions?

1570
01:23:05,205 --> 01:23:07,605
>> I have a question.

1571
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:11,480
In doing -- first off, thank you for the presentation.

1572
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:13,231
And doing the research for this ask

1573
01:23:13,231 --> 01:23:16,930
that we have had you come back before council,

1574
01:23:16,930 --> 01:23:18,901
have you seen any other towns with a specific amendments

1575
01:23:18,901 --> 01:23:22,285
to the gas station bans that say anything like, hey,

1576
01:23:22,285 --> 01:23:24,747
if this specific sort of business

1577
01:23:24,747 --> 01:23:26,205
were to come in that required a gas

1578
01:23:26,205 --> 01:23:31,605
station, or any other caveats to gas station bans?

1579
01:23:35,172 --> 01:23:36,565
>> I have not seen it.

1580
01:23:36,565 --> 01:23:38,865
>> I have a question.

1581
01:23:38,865 --> 01:23:43,350
I actually thought in bringing this up

1582
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:47,538
that we would have more information than other areas.

1583
01:23:47,538 --> 01:23:54,305
For example an analysis of the effect of such a gas station

1584
01:23:54,305 --> 01:23:56,373
or a change in the rules would have

1585
01:23:56,373 --> 01:24:01,773
on greenhouse gases and other environmental aspects of things.

1586
01:24:01,933 --> 01:24:07,933
And we don't have any information yet for that one.

1587
01:24:08,365 --> 01:24:12,565
Was that omitted on purpose or just

1588
01:24:12,573 --> 01:24:15,511
that message didn't come across or what?

1589
01:24:15,511 --> 01:24:20,430
>> I think we need a more defined project to know what

1590
01:24:20,430 --> 01:24:21,991
where we are assessing first.

1591
01:24:21,991 --> 01:24:22,661
>> Thank you.

1592
01:24:22,661 --> 01:24:23,178
And

1593
01:24:23,178 --> 01:24:24,892
>> I'm going to go ahead and open to public.

1594
01:24:24,892 --> 01:24:26,773
Anyone from the public wishing to make comment,

1595
01:24:26,773 --> 01:24:28,273
they can approach the podium please.

1596
01:24:28,273 --> 01:24:29,926
If you don't mind, line up so I can

1597
01:24:29,926 --> 01:24:31,551
have an idea how many speakers we have.

1598
01:24:31,551 --> 01:24:35,261
If you wish to state your name and just

1599
01:24:35,261 --> 01:24:40,885
either street address or town you live in, that is optional.

1600
01:24:40,885 --> 01:24:42,837
It's a great way for us to reach back

1601
01:24:42,837 --> 01:24:44,843
to you, but optional for me.

1602
01:24:44,843 --> 01:24:46,301
You have three minutes, and there's

1603
01:24:46,301 --> 01:24:47,569
a timer right behind you.

1604
01:24:47,569 --> 01:24:49,325
Thank you so much.

1605
01:24:49,325 --> 01:24:52,390
>> Mayor and council members, my name is Dave Heidel.

1606
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:53,296
I live in Santa Rosa.

1607
01:24:53,296 --> 01:24:56,445
I am a member of Sonoma County Climate Activist Network

1608
01:24:56,445 --> 01:24:59,245
and also return Peace Corps Volunteers

1609
01:24:59,245 --> 01:25:01,135
for Environmental Action.

1610
01:25:01,135 --> 01:25:03,877
I urge you to reject any proposal

1611
01:25:03,877 --> 01:25:07,180
to amend your gas station ban.

1612
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:12,269
You have stated a strategic plan element and a goal statement

1613
01:25:12,269 --> 01:25:15,795
here to that, which refers to the fiscal benefits

1614
01:25:15,795 --> 01:25:18,913
to attract new businesses that expand your tax base.

1615
01:25:18,913 --> 01:25:21,170
So of course this is important.

1616
01:25:21,170 --> 01:25:25,217
You need to balance your fiscal responsibility,

1617
01:25:25,265 --> 01:25:27,765
but not at the extent of threatening the sustainability

1618
01:25:27,765 --> 01:25:30,925
of the people who live here.

1619
01:25:30,925 --> 01:25:34,485
And while your goal states that the purpose of amending the gas

1620
01:25:34,485 --> 01:25:38,189
ban is to create opportunities that enhance the quality of life

1621
01:25:38,189 --> 01:25:44,138
for all, adding new gas stations does not do this.

1622
01:25:44,138 --> 01:25:47,702
You already know about the dangers of global warming caused

1623
01:25:47,702 --> 01:25:49,327
by greenhouse gas emissions because you

1624
01:25:49,327 --> 01:25:52,655
have an extensive policy to reduce greenhouse gases.

1625
01:25:52,655 --> 01:25:56,850
And this past February you adopted a greenhouse gas

1626
01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,435
checklist to support your policy of greenhouse gas reductions.

1627
01:26:00,435 --> 01:26:06,435
So in that, section LU-6.1 states that the town's shall

1628
01:26:07,781 --> 01:26:11,500
strive to provide an overall pattern on land use that

1629
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:13,500
encourages sustainable development.

1630
01:26:13,125 --> 01:26:16,231
Adding another gas station does not do that.

1631
01:26:16,231 --> 01:26:21,310
The policy requires that land use, quote, enhances

1632
01:26:21,234 --> 01:26:22,800
livability and public health.

1633
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,681
Adding another gas station does not do that.

1634
01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:31,285
Your policy seeks to reduce air pollution, greenhouse gas

1635
01:26:31,285 --> 01:26:33,130
emissions, and then consumption.

1636
01:26:33,130 --> 01:26:36,885
I another gas station does not do that.

1637
01:26:36,885 --> 01:26:42,285
Section PHS7.2 states that the town shall support plans,

1638
01:26:43,565 --> 01:26:45,515
standards, regulations, incentives,

1639
01:26:45,515 --> 01:26:48,595
and investments to reduce the impacts of climate change

1640
01:26:48,595 --> 01:26:52,385
on those populations most vulnerable to the impacts

1641
01:26:52,385 --> 01:26:54,800
of climate change.

1642
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,680
Those populations are all of us.

1643
01:26:58,745 --> 01:27:01,821
All living beings on land and in the oceans

1644
01:27:01,821 --> 01:27:04,450
are being severely threatened by global warming.

1645
01:27:04,450 --> 01:27:05,225
You know this.

1646
01:27:05,225 --> 01:27:09,461
It would be immoral for you to forsake your well thought out

1647
01:27:09,461 --> 01:27:11,781
policies just for the money.

1648
01:27:11,781 --> 01:27:13,671
And nothing else.

1649
01:27:13,671 --> 01:27:18,965
So a gas station ban says to the oil industry and to the entire

1650
01:27:18,965 --> 01:27:22,957
population of our region that our future cannot be continued

1651
01:27:22,957 --> 01:27:27,405
to use fossil fuels for our energy needs period money is not

1652
01:27:27,405 --> 01:27:28,949
the issue here.

1653
01:27:28,949 --> 01:27:33,725
Doing the right thing to sustain life is what this is about.

1654
01:27:33,725 --> 01:27:39,725
So please vote to reject amending your gas station ban.

1655
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:44,396
>> Good evening.

1656
01:27:44,396 --> 01:27:45,418
My name is Jenny Blake.

1657
01:27:45,418 --> 01:27:49,125
I was a founding member of the coalition opposing new gas

1658
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:49,685
stations.

1659
01:27:49,685 --> 01:27:52,705
I would urge you to go for option one

1660
01:27:52,705 --> 01:27:57,100
a, which is to leave the ordinance in place as it is now.

1661
01:27:57,100 --> 01:28:00,517
I submitted a letter yesterday, which I hope you've received.

1662
01:28:00,517 --> 01:28:03,525
It seems this is not fronted by anyone

1663
01:28:03,525 --> 01:28:09,170
thinking that we need new gas stations in Windsor, or even

1664
01:28:09,170 --> 01:28:13,966
new stores, but that it is about the city's budget.

1665
01:28:13,966 --> 01:28:16,478
There may possibly be some interest from a large store,

1666
01:28:16,478 --> 01:28:19,301
but this is all very speculative at the moment.

1667
01:28:19,301 --> 01:28:22,901
The 2022 ordinance is just as valid

1668
01:28:24,270 --> 01:28:28,380
now as it was when it was created.

1669
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:30,997
The climate crisis is just getting worse and more urgent.

1670
01:28:30,997 --> 01:28:34,995
The urgency is to bring down the greenhouse gas emissions

1671
01:28:34,995 --> 01:28:37,165
and not to build new gas stations

1672
01:28:37,165 --> 01:28:42,565
to prolong dependency on fossil fuels into the future.

1673
01:28:42,805 --> 01:28:45,365
There are also huge air pollution impacts

1674
01:28:45,365 --> 01:28:49,785
from gas stations with a lot of toxic emissions, which

1675
01:28:49,785 --> 01:28:53,385
can cause cancer, lung disease, asthma,

1676
01:28:54,500 --> 01:28:56,285
heart diseases, and many other illnesses,

1677
01:28:56,285 --> 01:28:59,111
especially for particularly vulnerable children,

1678
01:28:59,111 --> 01:29:03,911
seniors, children, and also people in frontline communities.

1679
01:29:04,455 --> 01:29:08,550
There are always leaks and spills

1680
01:29:08,277 --> 01:29:11,445
from gas pumps and underground storage tanks

1681
01:29:11,445 --> 01:29:14,445
impacting soil, surface, and groundwater.

1682
01:29:14,905 --> 01:29:18,610
Ten gallons of petroleum can produce 12 million gallons

1683
01:29:18,610 --> 01:29:20,717
of water per minute so think about the impacts

1684
01:29:20,717 --> 01:29:22,341
to the drinking water supply.

1685
01:29:22,341 --> 01:29:25,685
And there are leaking underground storage tanks

1686
01:29:25,685 --> 01:29:29,405
all over Sonoma County, including in Windsor.

1687
01:29:29,405 --> 01:29:31,965
There are environmental justice issues

1688
01:29:31,965 --> 01:29:35,293
in the whole production of petroleum all the way

1689
01:29:35,293 --> 01:29:37,825
from drilling or pumping in Nigeria

1690
01:29:37,825 --> 01:29:43,225
or wherever it comes from, transportation, refining, and at

1691
01:29:43,505 --> 01:29:45,685
the pump and the emissions from cars.

1692
01:29:45,685 --> 01:29:48,985
Meanwhile the sales of gasoline are falling.

1693
01:29:48,985 --> 01:29:52,233
They peaked in 2005, according to the California Energy

1694
01:29:52,233 --> 01:29:52,733
Commission.

1695
01:29:52,733 --> 01:29:56,685
And the sales of electric vehicles are rising,

1696
01:29:56,685 --> 01:29:59,391
including because prices are going down,

1697
01:29:59,391 --> 01:30:01,978
more used cars are becoming available

1698
01:30:01,978 --> 01:30:04,125
and subsidies are still available.

1699
01:30:04,125 --> 01:30:08,298
Anyway we need more bikes, less cars.

1700
01:30:08,298 --> 01:30:12,665
And the cost of cleaning up toxic abandoned states

1701
01:30:12,665 --> 01:30:17,589
is huge and often falls on the municipalities or the taxpayers.

1702
01:30:17,589 --> 01:30:23,370
It can cost over $1 million to clean up an abandoned gas

1703
01:30:23,370 --> 01:30:24,745
station or toxic site.

1704
01:30:24,745 --> 01:30:29,261
And there are many of those around the county.

1705
01:30:29,261 --> 01:30:31,931
Some abandoned gas station sites in other places

1706
01:30:31,931 --> 01:30:35,157
are being repurposed now in creative ways.

1707
01:30:35,157 --> 01:30:37,365
Why go through that process?

1708
01:30:37,365 --> 01:30:39,773
Just don't build a new gas station.

1709
01:30:39,773 --> 01:30:41,382
The other thing is a lot of people

1710
01:30:41,382 --> 01:30:44,717
don't realize that cost business policy is

1711
01:30:44,717 --> 01:30:47,791
based on selling cheaper gas so that they

1712
01:30:47,791 --> 01:30:49,765
will get more memberships.

1713
01:30:49,765 --> 01:30:53,935
Because it is member only gas, and their whole business

1714
01:30:53,935 --> 01:30:58,805
strategy is built around selling cheaper gas to get more members

1715
01:30:58,805 --> 01:31:01,205
and retain those members.

1716
01:31:01,747 --> 01:31:02,705
>> Thank you very much.

1717
01:31:02,705 --> 01:31:04,165
Your time is up.

1718
01:31:04,165 --> 01:31:06,165
>> Thank you.

1719
01:31:06,616 --> 01:31:10,225
>> Good evening, mayor vice mayor Potter and council

1720
01:31:10,225 --> 01:31:10,725
members.

1721
01:31:10,725 --> 01:31:12,717
Thanks for the opportunity to speak.

1722
01:31:12,717 --> 01:31:14,757
My name is Woody Hastings.

1723
01:31:14,757 --> 01:31:18,821
I'm the coordinator of the coalition opposing new gas

1724
01:31:18,821 --> 01:31:19,373
stations.

1725
01:31:19,373 --> 01:31:21,853
I'm here tonight to urge you to choose

1726
01:31:21,853 --> 01:31:25,885
option one to retain the ordinance as it

1727
01:31:25,885 --> 01:31:27,885
was adopted in 2022.

1728
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:33,301
Congress -- we sent a letter just yesterday.

1729
01:31:33,301 --> 01:31:34,582
I hope you received it.

1730
01:31:34,582 --> 01:31:36,867
Hope you can take the time to read it.

1731
01:31:36,867 --> 01:31:38,505
And if you could take the time to look

1732
01:31:38,505 --> 01:31:40,130
at some of those footnotes because that

1733
01:31:40,130 --> 01:31:43,910
is where the substantiation and a lot of the deep information

1734
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:47,541
is about some of the things that we touched on there.

1735
01:31:47,541 --> 01:31:50,465
We believe you did the right thing in 2022

1736
01:31:50,465 --> 01:31:52,205
in adopting the ordinance.

1737
01:31:52,205 --> 01:31:57,305
All of the reasons as Jenny Blake just said are --

1738
01:31:57,305 --> 01:32:01,885
those theorists have validated and become more deepened

1739
01:32:01,885 --> 01:32:06,351
and become more worrisome in many cases we touched on.

1740
01:32:06,351 --> 01:32:11,151
And weakening it in 26 would be a mistake.

1741
01:32:11,378 --> 01:32:13,253
There are things we touched on in the letter.

1742
01:32:13,253 --> 01:32:15,855
The local impacts, toxic impacts,

1743
01:32:15,855 --> 01:32:18,255
and other local impacts.

1744
01:32:18,415 --> 01:32:21,945
The climate crisis, and market dynamics that

1745
01:32:21,945 --> 01:32:24,580
have emerged over the last four years in particular.

1746
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:29,756
And so something that I would say to the gas station

1747
01:32:29,756 --> 01:32:33,493
developers, the business case is really falling apart

1748
01:32:33,493 --> 01:32:35,945
for new gas stations in 2026.

1749
01:32:35,945 --> 01:32:39,871
It was 1926, things were looking bright and rosy.

1750
01:32:39,871 --> 01:32:41,751
But it's 2026.

1751
01:32:41,751 --> 01:32:46,551
As Jenny just said, gasoline sales are down.

1752
01:32:48,869 --> 01:32:52,505
That 7.7 figure of your percentage of your tax base

1753
01:32:52,505 --> 01:32:53,425
is not static.

1754
01:32:53,425 --> 01:32:56,445
That is going to be going down.

1755
01:32:56,445 --> 01:32:59,653
Because gasoline sales are going down.

1756
01:32:59,653 --> 01:33:01,653
16% between 2005 and 2025.

1757
01:33:03,191 --> 01:33:07,850
And the projections from the California Energy Commission

1758
01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:09,333
are that that decline in gasoline sales

1759
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:10,991
is only going to accelerate.

1760
01:33:10,991 --> 01:33:13,897
If for no other reason, just because you

1761
01:33:13,897 --> 01:33:16,258
see the writing on the wall, installing

1762
01:33:16,258 --> 01:33:19,665
these underground tanks that are problematic,

1763
01:33:19,665 --> 01:33:23,471
that leak, and that cost a lot of money to remove

1764
01:33:23,471 --> 01:33:29,518
might be needing to remove them long before their shelf life.

1765
01:33:29,518 --> 01:33:35,425
And a lot of times, some of that cost, that burden

1766
01:33:35,425 --> 01:33:36,907
falls to the municipality.

1767
01:33:36,907 --> 01:33:38,882
It's something to be concerned about.

1768
01:33:38,882 --> 01:33:41,935
And once again, strongly urge you to keep the ordinance

1769
01:33:41,935 --> 01:33:44,186
as it was adopted in 2022.

1770
01:33:44,186 --> 01:33:44,925
Option one.

1771
01:33:44,925 --> 01:33:46,925
Thank you.

1772
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:49,649
>> Thank you.

1773
01:33:49,649 --> 01:33:50,181
>> Hello.

1774
01:33:50,181 --> 01:33:51,525
My name is Matt Callaway.

1775
01:33:51,525 --> 01:33:54,416
I'm a member of Sonoma County Conservation Action.

1776
01:33:54,416 --> 01:33:58,709
I am urging you all to choose option one

1777
01:33:58,709 --> 01:34:00,981
and leave the ordinance in place.

1778
01:34:00,981 --> 01:34:03,981
The strongest terms, gas stations

1779
01:34:04,245 --> 01:34:06,125
are not benign infrastructure.

1780
01:34:06,125 --> 01:34:09,605
They emit carcinogenic and pollutants like benzene,

1781
01:34:09,605 --> 01:34:11,605
threaten public health.

1782
01:34:11,705 --> 01:34:14,695
They have problematic underground storage.

1783
01:34:14,695 --> 01:34:17,950
This 2022 ordinance was smart.

1784
01:34:17,661 --> 01:34:19,661
It balanced policy.

1785
01:34:19,965 --> 01:34:23,293
And we don't need more gas stations in the city.

1786
01:34:23,293 --> 01:34:25,265
I understand the need for fiscal solvency

1787
01:34:25,265 --> 01:34:27,815
and bringing in large scale retailers.

1788
01:34:27,815 --> 01:34:31,370
But the people of California and Sonoma County and Windsor

1789
01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:34,637
have very little influence over how

1790
01:34:36,385 --> 01:34:42,985
retailers see the economic need to come into the area as.

1791
01:34:46,330 --> 01:34:48,471
The way that we can exert this influence over them

1792
01:34:48,471 --> 01:34:50,741
is by having good policy that tells them

1793
01:34:50,741 --> 01:34:53,778
that these gas stations are not wanted

1794
01:34:53,778 --> 01:34:59,500
by the residents of those cities that come in.

1795
01:34:59,500 --> 01:35:02,650
And the way we can really influence

1796
01:35:02,650 --> 01:35:05,665
is making smart legislation like this.

1797
01:35:06,175 --> 01:35:08,138
They still want to do business in our areas,

1798
01:35:08,138 --> 01:35:12,111
but we don't need to fully capitulate

1799
01:35:12,111 --> 01:35:17,692
to these economic models that, as we have heard, are crumbling.

1800
01:35:17,692 --> 01:35:18,525
Thank you very much.

1801
01:35:18,525 --> 01:35:24,165
We urge you to keep the ordinance as it is.

1802
01:35:24,165 --> 01:35:28,885
>> Hello, good evening, mayor, Council members, city staff.

1803
01:35:28,885 --> 01:35:29,707
My name is Brian.

1804
01:35:29,707 --> 01:35:31,717
I'm with the California Fuels Alliance.

1805
01:35:31,717 --> 01:35:33,925
I represent independent gas stations across the state

1806
01:35:33,925 --> 01:35:35,508
including here in the town of Windsor.

1807
01:35:35,508 --> 01:35:39,500
I am here just to urge you to consider a repeal

1808
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:45,500
of the ordinance 2022-366 as a remedy to the budgetary

1809
01:35:46,475 --> 01:35:49,201
constraints that the town is facing.

1810
01:35:49,201 --> 01:35:52,250
I just want to say that we understand that Windsor

1811
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:55,850
is facing a pretty big crisis.

1812
01:35:55,850 --> 01:35:57,725
But if you go with option number three,

1813
01:35:57,725 --> 01:36:01,701
it's an affront to the local businesses and the community

1814
01:36:01,701 --> 01:36:05,510
members who have chosen to make Windsor their home.

1815
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:11,450
I just want to call attention to the fact that, as was mentioned,

1816
01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:14,245
four gas stations alone in Windsor account for nearly 8%

1817
01:36:14,245 --> 01:36:15,351
of total sales tax.

1818
01:36:15,351 --> 01:36:17,698
And the ban just closes the door to any possibility

1819
01:36:17,698 --> 01:36:20,338
of increasing those contributions, which

1820
01:36:20,338 --> 01:36:21,698
would be helpful right now.

1821
01:36:21,698 --> 01:36:24,765
Not to mention the band's role in reducing local employment

1822
01:36:24,765 --> 01:36:26,925
and small business ownership opportunities,

1823
01:36:26,925 --> 01:36:30,665
limiting consumer choice and also leaving Windsor's gas

1824
01:36:30,665 --> 01:36:33,810
vehicle dependent population to people who can't afford --

1825
01:36:33,810 --> 01:36:36,671
I think it is fantastic that we have all these grants

1826
01:36:36,671 --> 01:36:40,978
and it's great if you can afford an electric powered vehicle.

1827
01:36:40,978 --> 01:36:45,510
But unfortunately, not everyone can at this point in time.

1828
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:47,885
We are advocates for letting local businesses

1829
01:36:47,885 --> 01:36:50,725
and local market response to market demand.

1830
01:36:50,725 --> 01:36:56,899
By doing so by exempting big box retailers, like I said,

1831
01:36:56,899 --> 01:36:59,605
it is an affront to the local businesses that

1832
01:36:59,605 --> 01:37:01,589
have chosen to stay in Windsor.

1833
01:37:01,589 --> 01:37:05,225
So today I'm just asking the council

1834
01:37:05,225 --> 01:37:09,998
to seriously consider repealing the ordinance that bans new gas

1835
01:37:09,998 --> 01:37:12,469
stations as a remedy to the challenges

1836
01:37:12,469 --> 01:37:15,313
that the town faces tonight.

1837
01:37:15,313 --> 01:37:17,313
Thank you.

1838
01:37:18,365 --> 01:37:20,365
>> Good evening, everybody.

1839
01:37:22,173 --> 01:37:24,573
I am Lionel enchanté.

1840
01:37:26,245 --> 01:37:28,989
I represent the local gas station known

1841
01:37:28,989 --> 01:37:31,335
as Redwood Oil or Aztec Grill.

1842
01:37:31,335 --> 01:37:34,281
We have been here locally for decades.

1843
01:37:34,281 --> 01:37:36,205
The area has been working with you

1844
01:37:36,205 --> 01:37:42,205
to get the compilation of the expansion for the store

1845
01:37:42,653 --> 01:37:44,653
every kitchen done.

1846
01:37:44,876 --> 01:37:48,476
Started the business over 50 years ago.

1847
01:37:48,565 --> 01:37:55,165
Peter retired, sold the company to a family, not a chain.

1848
01:37:56,565 --> 01:38:00,741
The construction manager has been with us for over 40 years.

1849
01:38:00,741 --> 01:38:05,141
The district manager with local list for over 26 years.

1850
01:38:05,141 --> 01:38:08,971
The store manager has been with the company for 24 years.

1851
01:38:08,971 --> 01:38:10,239
It is very local.

1852
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:13,149
We carry a lot of local product.

1853
01:38:13,149 --> 01:38:15,549
We sell local jerky.

1854
01:38:16,340 --> 01:38:21,740
# We are the #3 company nationally and revenue for --

1855
01:38:24,261 --> 01:38:25,645
we purchase local brands.

1856
01:38:25,645 --> 01:38:27,165
We are expanding our store.

1857
01:38:27,165 --> 01:38:29,885
And we're going to have state of the art kitchen.

1858
01:38:29,885 --> 01:38:34,685
What I'm trying to say here is --

1859
01:38:35,295 --> 01:38:41,125
in my French accent might not be the best person to convey that.

1860
01:38:41,125 --> 01:38:45,711
We have people who live here who are very committed

1861
01:38:45,711 --> 01:38:47,665
to this community because they live here.

1862
01:38:47,665 --> 01:38:49,765
They come at 3:30 a.m.

1863
01:38:49,765 --> 01:38:52,515
To cook from scratch those burritos.

1864
01:38:52,515 --> 01:38:55,515
They come to purchase them.

1865
01:38:55,805 --> 01:39:00,633
And to see a major international retailer, say Costco,

1866
01:39:00,633 --> 01:39:03,365
which is number three in the world with $270 billion,

1867
01:39:03,365 --> 01:39:05,869
it is hard to compete with those people.

1868
01:39:05,869 --> 01:39:08,165
We are happy to compete if we can,

1869
01:39:08,165 --> 01:39:13,485
but if they are the only one who can,

1870
01:39:13,485 --> 01:39:17,110
it doesn't seem fair competition to us.

1871
01:39:17,110 --> 01:39:21,941
We do our best to be the best member of the community

1872
01:39:21,941 --> 01:39:26,413
and how we employ, how we pay, how we support our customers.

1873
01:39:26,413 --> 01:39:29,105
So we would like you to take that into account.

1874
01:39:29,105 --> 01:39:34,425
We're investing a high single digit number of millions

1875
01:39:34,425 --> 01:39:39,985
to improve our service and our products beyond the gas

1876
01:39:39,985 --> 01:39:42,471
into the food and the retail piece.

1877
01:39:42,471 --> 01:39:46,440
So thank you for opening your door to everybody.

1878
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:50,871
And I have confidence you'll be very wise.

1879
01:39:50,871 --> 01:39:52,405
Thank you.

1880
01:39:52,405 --> 01:39:54,405
>> Thank you.

1881
01:39:55,210 --> 01:39:57,210
>> Hello, Council, mayor.

1882
01:39:57,424 --> 01:39:59,131
My name is Jesse Laughlin.

1883
01:39:59,131 --> 01:40:02,119
I have been a resident of Windsor for about 30 years.

1884
01:40:02,119 --> 01:40:05,181
I am a former underground storage tank inspector

1885
01:40:05,181 --> 01:40:06,821
for the State of California.

1886
01:40:06,821 --> 01:40:09,258
I am returning to speak to you tonight

1887
01:40:09,258 --> 01:40:11,445
to urge you to maintain the gas station ban

1888
01:40:11,445 --> 01:40:13,850
ordinance with the amendments.

1889
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:15,265
I was encouraged when I read the agenda report

1890
01:40:15,265 --> 01:40:18,290
and saw the actions the town has taken in the past ten years

1891
01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:21,751
to protect and prioritize environmental resources,

1892
01:40:21,751 --> 01:40:25,247
reduce greenhouse gases, and promote energy efficiency.

1893
01:40:25,247 --> 01:40:28,611
It's also part of the reason I am so perplexed to be here

1894
01:40:28,611 --> 01:40:29,885
before you tonight.

1895
01:40:29,885 --> 01:40:35,850
Just down the road, where Windsor Road runs into Redwood

1896
01:40:35,850 --> 01:40:36,847
Highway, there's a substantial parcel

1897
01:40:36,847 --> 01:40:39,305
that is set mostly abandoned for as long as I can remember.

1898
01:40:39,305 --> 01:40:42,405
I was not surprised to find that the site hasn't

1899
01:40:42,405 --> 01:40:45,501
opened underground storage tank cleanup case.

1900
01:40:45,501 --> 01:40:48,157
The state database Geo tracker shows the lake was first

1901
01:40:48,157 --> 01:40:49,965
discovered in June of 1987.

1902
01:40:49,965 --> 01:40:54,645
It is still being monitored for things like benzene toluene,

1903
01:40:54,645 --> 01:40:56,645
ethylbenzene, and xylene.

1904
01:40:56,685 --> 01:40:58,305
This is not uncommon.

1905
01:40:58,305 --> 01:41:01,101
This is the legacy of underground storage tanks.

1906
01:41:01,101 --> 01:41:03,965
There is an underground storage tank Inspector.

1907
01:41:03,965 --> 01:41:07,410
My primary goal was to protect our precious brown from threats

1908
01:41:07,410 --> 01:41:09,410
exactly like this.

1909
01:41:09,825 --> 01:41:13,422
IN 2012, monitoring on the Windsor Road site

1910
01:41:13,422 --> 01:41:15,500
comment we are still having detections

1911
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:16,645
of diesel 25 years later.

1912
01:41:16,645 --> 01:41:19,130
Makes me concerned for neighboring domestic wells.

1913
01:41:19,130 --> 01:41:23,913
I didn't have to look very far for an extreme case of a U.S. T

1914
01:41:23,913 --> 01:41:24,555
got wrong.

1915
01:41:24,555 --> 01:41:26,930
You have to look down the road from where we sit tonight.

1916
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:28,771
We don't need more of this in Windsor.

1917
01:41:28,771 --> 01:41:30,865
We should be investing in infrastructure

1918
01:41:30,865 --> 01:41:34,235
that supports more sustainable and healthier future,

1919
01:41:34,235 --> 01:41:36,755
not infrastructure that has been proven time and time again

1920
01:41:36,755 --> 01:41:39,565
to be harmful to our health and our environment.

1921
01:41:39,565 --> 01:41:42,965
Change starts with the local jurisdictions.

1922
01:41:42,965 --> 01:41:44,665
Change can be very hard.

1923
01:41:44,665 --> 01:41:46,601
But Windsor already made that hard decision.

1924
01:41:46,601 --> 01:41:49,858
And we do not need corporate big box stores in Windsor.

1925
01:41:49,858 --> 01:41:52,858
Small local businesses, business owners

1926
01:41:52,995 --> 01:41:54,757
are who we need to invest in and support.

1927
01:41:54,757 --> 01:41:56,395
The town of Windsor should continue

1928
01:41:56,395 --> 01:41:58,181
to lead the way to a healthier future.

1929
01:41:58,181 --> 01:42:01,485
And please continue to look forward and maintain

1930
01:42:01,485 --> 01:42:02,110
this ordinance.

1931
01:42:02,110 --> 01:42:03,477
Thanks for letting me speak.

1932
01:42:03,477 --> 01:42:05,877
I appreciate your time.

1933
01:42:11,128 --> 01:42:11,795
>> Good evening.

1934
01:42:11,795 --> 01:42:12,420
Rich Carnation.

1935
01:42:12,420 --> 01:42:15,218
I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

1936
01:42:15,218 --> 01:42:16,939
>> I'm going to ask that.

1937
01:42:16,939 --> 01:42:18,231
>> And on behalf of my company.

1938
01:42:18,231 --> 01:42:22,165
I'm going to do my best not to speak any French,

1939
01:42:22,165 --> 01:42:25,965
but this is an irritating subject for me.

1940
01:42:25,965 --> 01:42:28,925
People talk about environmental stuff.

1941
01:42:28,925 --> 01:42:36,105
Just so you guys know, I am all for affordable advantages. ---

1942
01:42:36,105 --> 01:42:37,345
alternative energies.

1943
01:42:37,345 --> 01:42:39,965
I've got two patents that are alternative energy stuff.

1944
01:42:39,965 --> 01:42:40,821
I understand that.

1945
01:42:40,821 --> 01:42:42,711
But we don't have it here yet.

1946
01:42:42,711 --> 01:42:44,565
People talk about if we have a gas station,

1947
01:42:44,565 --> 01:42:47,265
we're going to increase or whatever.

1948
01:42:47,265 --> 01:42:48,455
We already are.

1949
01:42:48,455 --> 01:42:52,165
We're just buying our product in another town.

1950
01:42:52,165 --> 01:42:54,310
We're not buying it here.

1951
01:42:54,310 --> 01:42:57,185
So whatever we are doing, we are doing it here,

1952
01:42:57,185 --> 01:43:00,130
we are buying it there.

1953
01:43:00,130 --> 01:43:02,130
So conformal count.

1954
01:43:03,105 --> 01:43:05,485
I count of one person from Windsor who spoke tonight.

1955
01:43:05,485 --> 01:43:06,901
I am number two.

1956
01:43:06,901 --> 01:43:09,587
Everyone else is from somewhere else.

1957
01:43:09,587 --> 01:43:13,945
One of the gentlemen talked about riding a bike.

1958
01:43:13,945 --> 01:43:17,539
I'm curious if anybody rode a bike to the meeting

1959
01:43:17,539 --> 01:43:19,939
here from Santa Rosa.

1960
01:43:20,558 --> 01:43:22,958
I don't think so.

1961
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:26,633
I have 80, 90 trucks that we drive.

1962
01:43:27,752 --> 01:43:29,458
We don't buy any of our fuel in Windsor.

1963
01:43:29,458 --> 01:43:31,525
We did for a short period of time

1964
01:43:31,525 --> 01:43:33,743
after we had our meeting a couple of months ago.

1965
01:43:33,743 --> 01:43:38,543
The shell station dropped their price a lot.

1966
01:43:39,227 --> 01:43:42,810
Hey, I went in and I bought fuel there.

1967
01:43:42,810 --> 01:43:45,422
I told the gal, do me a favor.

1968
01:43:45,422 --> 01:43:46,797
Let your management know that I'm

1969
01:43:46,797 --> 01:43:49,195
buying my fuel here because you guys dropped your price.

1970
01:43:49,195 --> 01:43:50,425
And they did.

1971
01:43:50,425 --> 01:43:52,885
And we started buying our fuel there.

1972
01:43:52,885 --> 01:43:55,113
And then about three weeks went by,

1973
01:43:55,113 --> 01:43:57,935
and none of the other stations dropped.

1974
01:43:57,935 --> 01:43:59,820
They raised their price back up.

1975
01:43:59,820 --> 01:44:01,822
So we don't buy it anymore.

1976
01:44:01,822 --> 01:44:08,422
We are like 50,000, 60,000 bucks a month of fuel we don't buy

1977
01:44:12,604 --> 01:44:13,520
in our town.

1978
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,828
I get more in trouble because I cheated about Windsor

1979
01:44:15,828 --> 01:44:17,745
than I do about almost anything else paramedic

1980
01:44:17,745 --> 01:44:19,837
but it's not about Costco either.

1981
01:44:19,837 --> 01:44:24,485
Costco is just a company that said that they

1982
01:44:24,485 --> 01:44:26,485
might want to be here.

1983
01:44:26,485 --> 01:44:30,369
If they were going to come here, fuel had to be part of it.

1984
01:44:30,369 --> 01:44:32,286
Somebody mentioned about their business model.

1985
01:44:32,286 --> 01:44:34,286
That is true.

1986
01:44:34,389 --> 01:44:37,400
I don't know if somebody asked a question earlier about

1987
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:42,605
if there's a gas station, has anybody expressed interest?

1988
01:44:42,605 --> 01:44:45,861
I'm letting you know right now, if you lift the ban,

1989
01:44:45,861 --> 01:44:50,151
I know at least one person who would put in a station.

1990
01:44:50,151 --> 01:44:51,694
And it is me.

1991
01:44:51,694 --> 01:44:55,938
Because right now I can make the money off my own company

1992
01:44:55,938 --> 01:44:58,338
that we're not losing.

1993
01:45:00,810 --> 01:45:03,185
You have somebody who would put a gas station in Windsor.

1994
01:45:03,185 --> 01:45:08,865
I haven't ran one before, but I know I could figure it out.

1995
01:45:08,865 --> 01:45:12,438
Wouldn't be a problem for me so I still have a minute left over

1996
01:45:12,438 --> 01:45:13,211
from the other --

1997
01:45:13,211 --> 01:45:14,381
I'm just kidding.

1998
01:45:14,381 --> 01:45:19,181
Bottom line is the people in our town,

1999
01:45:19,434 --> 01:45:23,325
are the ones who actually buy or could buy the fuel are not

2000
01:45:23,325 --> 01:45:25,500
because the prices are so high.

2001
01:45:25,500 --> 01:45:28,605
Economics is what will drive this.

2002
01:45:36,752 --> 01:45:37,942
>> Hi, Betsy Mallis.

2003
01:45:37,942 --> 01:45:41,917
I live here in Windsor so I am person number three.

2004
01:45:41,917 --> 01:45:45,885
Much to my chagrin, I have to agree

2005
01:45:45,885 --> 01:45:48,325
with my friend Mr. Carnation.

2006
01:45:48,325 --> 01:45:52,269
People are still going to drive cars in Windsor.

2007
01:45:52,269 --> 01:45:57,805
People right now are driving out of Windsor to buy their gas.

2008
01:45:57,805 --> 01:46:00,930
Our gas right now is $0.50 higher in Windsor.

2009
01:46:00,930 --> 01:46:02,878
Is that because we have four stations

2010
01:46:02,878 --> 01:46:04,545
and those four stations have a monopoly?

2011
01:46:04,545 --> 01:46:09,845
I don't know if we have I know that Healdsburg and Santa Rosa

2012
01:46:09,845 --> 01:46:15,245
has gas that's usually between 30 and $0.50 less than Windsor.

2013
01:46:15,805 --> 01:46:19,490
Nobody is driving less than Windsor

2014
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:21,515
because there is no more gas stations.

2015
01:46:21,515 --> 01:46:24,325
A couple of unrelated points to think

2016
01:46:24,325 --> 01:46:29,445
about, both Safeway and Walmart, two big stores in Windsor

2017
01:46:29,445 --> 01:46:32,298
already operate gas stations in other parts of California.

2018
01:46:32,298 --> 01:46:37,189
It is a model that works for them in other places.

2019
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:40,525
No reason it couldn't work for us here in Windsor.

2020
01:46:40,525 --> 01:46:44,359
If we develop the north of Arata area

2021
01:46:44,359 --> 01:46:49,909
and we get our long awaited extra on ramp from the freeway,

2022
01:46:49,909 --> 01:46:53,965
there is going to need to be a gas station.

2023
01:46:53,965 --> 01:46:55,789
People need to fill up their cars.

2024
01:46:55,789 --> 01:47:00,589
In emergencies, our four centrally located gas stations

2025
01:47:00,805 --> 01:47:05,925
are not going to you for all the additional development

2026
01:47:05,925 --> 01:47:08,725
that is going into Windsor.

2027
01:47:08,725 --> 01:47:11,987
I understand in 1987 the rules in place

2028
01:47:11,987 --> 01:47:16,505
to put gas and oil into tanks and into the town calling it

2029
01:47:16,505 --> 01:47:18,353
into the ground was much different than it

2030
01:47:18,353 --> 01:47:20,353
is today in 2026.

2031
01:47:22,405 --> 01:47:27,261
I just urge you to consider removing this ban

2032
01:47:27,261 --> 01:47:32,610
and seeing what additional gas stations could come

2033
01:47:33,397 --> 01:47:36,725
to Windsor, not only to bring additional tax

2034
01:47:36,725 --> 01:47:39,306
dollars to Windsor, which we know need,

2035
01:47:39,306 --> 01:47:44,106
but to really service the people of Windsor.

2036
01:47:45,363 --> 01:47:46,405
This is a regressive ban.

2037
01:47:46,405 --> 01:47:47,405
The people who are going to be moving

2038
01:47:47,405 --> 01:47:48,780
into the northern part of Windsor

2039
01:47:48,780 --> 01:47:50,818
will not have a place to get gas.

2040
01:47:50,818 --> 01:47:53,450
Their only option will be to go up to the Healdsburg

2041
01:47:53,450 --> 01:47:57,560
and purchase a necessity they need in a town other

2042
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:58,358
than Windsor.

2043
01:47:58,358 --> 01:48:01,292
So I know this is a touchy subject

2044
01:48:01,292 --> 01:48:04,665
and I would love to say if we don't put any more gas

2045
01:48:04,665 --> 01:48:07,596
stations in, people aren't going to drive cars anymore.

2046
01:48:07,596 --> 01:48:11,733
It is just not a reality here in Windsor.

2047
01:48:11,733 --> 01:48:14,565
And maybe in some other places, but it is not here.

2048
01:48:14,565 --> 01:48:16,225
So I really encourage you to continue

2049
01:48:16,225 --> 01:48:21,250
to look into repealing this ban and seeing

2050
01:48:22,605 --> 01:48:24,525
what it means to Windsor.

2051
01:48:24,525 --> 01:48:26,525
Thank you.

2052
01:48:35,427 --> 01:48:37,427
>> Good evening, Council.

2053
01:48:39,221 --> 01:48:42,821
Do you remember the Kincade Fire?

2054
01:48:45,110 --> 01:48:48,330
Do you remember when the mandatory evacuation order came

2055
01:48:48,330 --> 01:48:50,945
out and the huge lines of vehicles

2056
01:48:50,945 --> 01:48:56,945
lined up to get gas in order to leave town?

2057
01:48:57,411 --> 01:49:02,280
That is why we can use another gas station or two in town.

2058
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,280
Just common sense and safety.

2059
01:49:06,450 --> 01:49:10,505
Even if we had an extra station or two

2060
01:49:10,505 --> 01:49:14,825
does it mean we'd be pumping any additional gasoline or diesel

2061
01:49:14,825 --> 01:49:16,825
fuel.

2062
01:49:17,565 --> 01:49:22,965
It just would mean we would have more here.

2063
01:49:25,845 --> 01:49:28,925
So I urge you to reverse the ban.

2064
01:49:28,925 --> 01:49:30,965
Thank you thank you

2065
01:49:30,965 --> 01:49:31,805
>> Thank you.

2066
01:49:31,805 --> 01:49:33,578
Anyone else from the public?

2067
01:49:33,578 --> 01:49:36,622
I'm going to bring it back to the Council.

2068
01:49:36,622 --> 01:49:43,822
Can you put the slide on the three options that we had?

2069
01:49:47,613 --> 01:49:49,756
Yes, please, thank you.

2070
01:49:49,756 --> 01:49:54,773
So again, I just want to add that we brought this back

2071
01:49:54,773 --> 01:50:00,773
because of a hearsay, something we heard from someone who

2072
01:50:00,950 --> 01:50:04,431
heard something from someone, and there is no real evidence

2073
01:50:04,431 --> 01:50:06,325
that someone is interested.

2074
01:50:06,325 --> 01:50:13,645
And so we are here to talk about what do we see for Windsor?

2075
01:50:13,645 --> 01:50:16,645
What is the future of?

2076
01:50:17,725 --> 01:50:21,765
I just lost my train of thought and I

2077
01:50:21,765 --> 01:50:26,553
so anyway, I will let someone else start the conversation

2078
01:50:26,553 --> 01:50:30,753
and I will add my thoughts later.

2079
01:50:34,225 --> 01:50:35,683
>> Sure.

2080
01:50:35,683 --> 01:50:39,970
So back in April, when we talked about this,

2081
01:50:39,970 --> 01:50:41,716
I was one of the ones who said yeah,

2082
01:50:41,716 --> 01:50:44,205
I'd like to have a little bit of research done on this,

2083
01:50:44,205 --> 01:50:49,500
and let's talk about it for a while.

2084
01:50:50,445 --> 01:50:52,898
I used to post something here.

2085
01:50:52,898 --> 01:50:54,765
I have been getting it wrong.

2086
01:50:54,765 --> 01:50:56,597
I want to correct my record here.

2087
01:50:56,597 --> 01:51:00,797
This was something said in the movie 1776

2088
01:51:01,311 --> 01:51:05,871
by Stephen Hopkins, the delegate from Rhode Island.

2089
01:51:05,871 --> 01:51:10,405
In all my years, I ain't never heard, seen,

2090
01:51:10,405 --> 01:51:12,725
nor smelled an issue that was so dangerous it

2091
01:51:12,725 --> 01:51:14,858
couldn't be talked about.

2092
01:51:14,858 --> 01:51:21,385
And so that is where I came tonight to hear these.

2093
01:51:21,385 --> 01:51:26,142
And I have heard some -- both sides of the story.

2094
01:51:26,142 --> 01:51:27,745
I was surprised.

2095
01:51:27,745 --> 01:51:33,310
I ran for my seat here as the environmental candidate

2096
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:35,485
in which I still am.

2097
01:51:35,485 --> 01:51:36,925
You can believe that.

2098
01:51:36,925 --> 01:51:39,440
I am here gathering information.

2099
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:41,212
I thought it was especially enjoyable to have

2100
01:51:41,212 --> 01:51:44,945
Betsy Malice tell a couple jokes that I

2101
01:51:44,945 --> 01:51:46,938
don't hear that happen a lot.

2102
01:51:46,938 --> 01:51:49,845
Thank you very much, Betsy.

2103
01:51:49,845 --> 01:51:52,501
There was an option on the original sheet.

2104
01:51:52,501 --> 01:51:59,101
It was number four, which was something akin to do nothing,

2105
01:51:59,416 --> 01:52:01,416
which is --

2106
01:52:01,905 --> 01:52:03,525
>>Number one.

2107
01:52:03,525 --> 01:52:04,465
>> Pardon me?

2108
01:52:04,465 --> 01:52:06,418
Which is very close to number one.

2109
01:52:06,418 --> 01:52:13,180
But it was number four on the original sheet of paper.

2110
01:52:14,158 --> 01:52:18,165
I am really happy to have had this discussion,

2111
01:52:18,165 --> 01:52:22,205
to hear various aspects, to get some more information out

2112
01:52:22,205 --> 01:52:25,465
as we did, which was what we asked for in the first place.

2113
01:52:25,465 --> 01:52:30,670
In my opinion is that we should do nothing and think about it

2114
01:52:30,670 --> 01:52:32,670
for a while .

2115
01:52:35,230 --> 01:52:36,570
>> So yeah, who wants to go next?

2116
01:52:36,570 --> 01:52:41,970
I don't have to go last, but -- fine.

2117
01:52:43,558 --> 01:52:45,218
I'll go.

2118
01:52:45,218 --> 01:52:48,218
Yeah, no, I can't decide.

2119
01:52:49,428 --> 01:52:50,626
Please.

2120
01:52:50,626 --> 01:52:55,650
>> I just want to say, I 100% appreciate the emphasis

2121
01:52:55,650 --> 01:52:58,665
on sustainability and protecting the environment.

2122
01:52:59,130 --> 01:53:03,213
But I think we need to understand

2123
01:53:03,405 --> 01:53:06,485
that gas station bans do not significantly

2124
01:53:06,485 --> 01:53:08,885
impact consumption of fuel.

2125
01:53:09,305 --> 01:53:11,518
They impact where you purchase fuel.

2126
01:53:11,518 --> 01:53:15,605
If we ban gas stations, we're not driving --

2127
01:53:15,605 --> 01:53:19,500
no is going to say we have a gas station down here I'm not going

2128
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:19,645
to drive.

2129
01:53:19,645 --> 01:53:21,188
That's just not how it works.

2130
01:53:21,188 --> 01:53:23,271
I was doing a little research before this meeting.

2131
01:53:23,271 --> 01:53:27,771
There is no data that says that Petaluma's ban has any impact

2132
01:53:27,771 --> 01:53:29,630
whatsoever on fuel consumption.

2133
01:53:29,630 --> 01:53:33,961
I think we need to understand that this ban is not

2134
01:53:33,961 --> 01:53:37,653
pushing people out of their cars and into EVs or bicycles.

2135
01:53:37,653 --> 01:53:44,166
I think that is important to set as a standard to start with.

2136
01:53:44,166 --> 01:53:48,635
But then also, we hear some talk in this conversation

2137
01:53:48,635 --> 01:53:53,435
about demand or how much utilization is down.

2138
01:53:54,911 --> 01:53:58,685
If we are trending away from fossil fuels,

2139
01:53:58,685 --> 01:54:00,898
nobody's going to build a gas station.

2140
01:54:00,898 --> 01:54:02,885
We don't need a ban.

2141
01:54:02,885 --> 01:54:05,109
If the business model is moving away from that,

2142
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:06,797
no one is going to open a gas station.

2143
01:54:06,797 --> 01:54:09,747
If there is demand, someone will open one.

2144
01:54:09,747 --> 01:54:12,107
I think we should let the markets

2145
01:54:12,107 --> 01:54:14,775
and the free enterprise dictate whether or not

2146
01:54:14,775 --> 01:54:17,225
they want to build one and not say we're

2147
01:54:17,225 --> 01:54:20,705
going to put rules and regulations in place because we

2148
01:54:20,705 --> 01:54:21,745
know the trends better.

2149
01:54:21,745 --> 01:54:23,995
We don't know the trends better than the entrepreneurs

2150
01:54:23,995 --> 01:54:25,325
in the free market.

2151
01:54:25,325 --> 01:54:27,610
Those are my thoughts.

2152
01:54:27,610 --> 01:54:29,597
I just don't think this is going to accomplish what

2153
01:54:29,597 --> 01:54:31,445
people want it to accomplish.

2154
01:54:31,445 --> 01:54:33,445
>> Councilmember Salmon.

2155
01:54:38,436 --> 01:54:39,511
>> Interesting.

2156
01:54:39,511 --> 01:54:46,416
A gas station ban is based on -- our current ones based

2157
01:54:46,416 --> 01:54:48,605
on a policy to support climate action.

2158
01:54:48,605 --> 01:54:49,629
Simple as that.

2159
01:54:49,629 --> 01:54:50,951
You have all testified at.

2160
01:54:50,951 --> 01:54:54,725
Not all of you, but a number of you testified.

2161
01:54:54,725 --> 01:54:58,925
And that is really what it is.

2162
01:55:00,273 --> 01:55:04,318
If there is a hell, we might be seeing it

2163
01:55:04,318 --> 01:55:05,985
with what is going on on the earth right

2164
01:55:05,985 --> 01:55:09,381
now provide like to live in Spokane?

2165
01:55:09,381 --> 01:55:12,381
Want to relive coffee bar?

2166
01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:20,500
The experts say it's somewhat the blame is global warming.

2167
01:55:22,125 --> 01:55:27,110
So I think it's really important that the gas station ban

2168
01:55:27,110 --> 01:55:29,977
as a policy is very important.

2169
01:55:29,977 --> 01:55:35,977
For me this item came up not based on gas.

2170
01:55:36,270 --> 01:55:39,870
It came up on retail leakage.

2171
01:55:40,175 --> 01:55:42,585
And what council are you doing to increase revenues

2172
01:55:42,585 --> 01:55:43,645
in this town?

2173
01:55:43,645 --> 01:55:47,198
And I say that with kind of a sarcasm

2174
01:55:47,198 --> 01:55:50,269
because that is what we have heard loud and clear.

2175
01:55:50,269 --> 01:55:55,690
And our retail leakage is a real fact.

2176
01:55:55,605 --> 01:55:58,500
I can ask you.

2177
01:55:58,645 --> 01:55:59,952
And how can we address it?

2178
01:55:59,952 --> 01:56:01,285
We're not going to get a MacY's.

2179
01:56:01,285 --> 01:56:08,485
We're not going to get any of those stores, in my opinion.

2180
01:56:08,996 --> 01:56:11,501
We might be able to get a Costco.

2181
01:56:11,501 --> 01:56:14,645
Not because Costco wants to come here or has an interest.

2182
01:56:14,645 --> 01:56:16,393
We may be able to reach out to them

2183
01:56:16,393 --> 01:56:20,989
and say I think we have one location.

2184
01:56:20,989 --> 01:56:22,989
Only one.

2185
01:56:22,997 --> 01:56:27,445
And we might be able to reach out and say we're interested.

2186
01:56:27,445 --> 01:56:29,698
And we know what Costco is going to say

2187
01:56:29,698 --> 01:56:30,845
if they are interested in.

2188
01:56:30,845 --> 01:56:33,589
They're going to say, you know our model.

2189
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:36,261
They have actually even changed their model

2190
01:56:36,261 --> 01:56:37,373
if you read the paper.

2191
01:56:37,373 --> 01:56:42,205
They have gone to standalone gas stations now in places.

2192
01:56:42,205 --> 01:56:45,205
It is very interesting because someone testified

2193
01:56:45,205 --> 01:56:47,605
the reason Costco gas is so cheap is

2194
01:56:47,605 --> 01:56:49,925
because they want membership.

2195
01:56:49,925 --> 01:56:52,997
But if you put a gas station only,

2196
01:56:52,997 --> 01:56:58,397
then it doesn't really follow the membership, the shopping.

2197
01:56:58,621 --> 01:57:01,422
But that was what I'm interested in is

2198
01:57:01,422 --> 01:57:09,222
if we have that opportunity, at the time it comes, we address it

2199
01:57:10,203 --> 01:57:11,777
and it'll be a decision at that time.

2200
01:57:11,777 --> 01:57:14,999
I'm pretty much solid on number one based on the testimony.

2201
01:57:14,999 --> 01:57:17,427
And where we are at.

2202
01:57:17,427 --> 01:57:21,610
We get a new gas station, but there

2203
01:57:21,610 --> 01:57:23,567
is nothing to be said that the gas is going

2204
01:57:23,567 --> 01:57:27,573
to be any cheaper than the three gas

2205
01:57:27,573 --> 01:57:30,975
stations we have now, which their prices have always

2206
01:57:30,975 --> 01:57:32,975
been the same.

2207
01:57:33,685 --> 01:57:35,685
We have four.

2208
01:57:35,885 --> 01:57:40,685
Two down in Shiloh and two in central.

2209
01:57:41,850 --> 01:57:47,656
So if this was a discussion I felt we needed to have,

2210
01:57:47,656 --> 01:57:49,725
and I also think it is a discussion

2211
01:57:49,725 --> 01:57:58,125
to know that at a time in the future, we might return to it.

2212
01:57:58,578 --> 01:58:01,309
But for me, it will be specifically

2213
01:58:01,309 --> 01:58:05,558
for a certain big box store that can guarantee us

2214
01:58:05,558 --> 01:58:10,958
that we will address some of our retail leakage.

2215
01:58:11,439 --> 01:58:13,439
And it's dramatic.

2216
01:58:14,161 --> 01:58:21,361
We see that in what we spend in Windsor on sales tax.

2217
01:58:21,773 --> 01:58:25,658
We are spending it in the other towns.

2218
01:58:25,658 --> 01:58:30,431
I think that is really what I wanted to say.

2219
01:58:30,431 --> 01:58:33,665
But another gas station doesn't necessarily

2220
01:58:33,665 --> 01:58:36,991
mean that we're going to see lower prices.

2221
01:58:36,991 --> 01:58:43,591
It doesn't mean that we will really see more sales tax.

2222
01:58:43,881 --> 01:58:49,281
But I think a big-box retailers such as Costco,

2223
01:58:51,653 --> 01:58:55,791
definitely we would see retail sales tax increased dramatically

2224
01:58:55,791 --> 01:58:57,345
$1 million a year.

2225
01:58:57,345 --> 01:58:59,885
And I think we're in the right location.

2226
01:58:59,885 --> 01:59:02,357
And I don't think it would really

2227
01:59:02,357 --> 01:59:04,677
compete with our other commercial big box

2228
01:59:04,677 --> 01:59:06,421
stores The Walmart Center.

2229
01:59:06,421 --> 01:59:11,115
I think we need to really be cognizant of that comparison.

2230
01:59:11,115 --> 01:59:14,701
There was testimony about how the big box will

2231
01:59:14,701 --> 01:59:19,705
hurt local businesses purely I think we need to look at that.

2232
01:59:19,705 --> 01:59:23,571
I think the people that shop at Costco

2233
01:59:23,571 --> 01:59:26,749
they will shop at the local businesses about the same.

2234
01:59:26,749 --> 01:59:29,149
With a different market.

2235
01:59:29,225 --> 01:59:33,685
You don't have clothing stores in my estimation

2236
01:59:33,685 --> 01:59:39,685
for-- enough clothing stores to draw people to shop retail.

2237
01:59:41,852 --> 01:59:44,852
They retail in Santa Rosa.

2238
01:59:46,898 --> 01:59:48,940
>> I want to thank everybody for giving comments.

2239
01:59:48,940 --> 01:59:50,769
I appreciated this discussion and wanted

2240
01:59:50,769 --> 01:59:53,240
to bring this back so we could discuss it

2241
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:54,957
and that we can hear from everyone.

2242
01:59:54,957 --> 02:00:00,469
I think that after hearing all the sides tonight and also

2243
02:00:00,469 --> 02:00:05,869
hearing from Council, I do support number three, which

2244
02:00:08,470 --> 02:00:09,195
is further analysis.

2245
02:00:09,195 --> 02:00:12,731
And that is because I absolutely believe

2246
02:00:12,731 --> 02:00:15,624
that we need to be environmentally

2247
02:00:15,624 --> 02:00:20,271
responsible and very aware of what our own policies are.

2248
02:00:20,271 --> 02:00:26,311
But also I want to explore -- so I don't want it to be that

2249
02:00:26,311 --> 02:00:30,458
it's possible that this council might be interested in a big box

2250
02:00:30,458 --> 02:00:32,258
store that could bring in a gas station.

2251
02:00:32,258 --> 02:00:34,776
But then there's not a policy ready to go

2252
02:00:34,776 --> 02:00:36,120
for something like that.

2253
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:38,950
And that we haven't done any vetting on it ahead of time.

2254
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:41,158
Because I think if we can do some of that vetting now

2255
02:00:41,158 --> 02:00:46,401
and we can look through some of the different policy options,

2256
02:00:46,401 --> 02:00:48,338
while keeping the ban in place right now

2257
02:00:48,338 --> 02:00:51,847
but looking to the future and the possibility that,

2258
02:00:51,847 --> 02:00:54,650
then we are ready and we really know

2259
02:00:54,650 --> 02:00:57,187
and are informed as to what this council wants to look at.

2260
02:00:57,187 --> 02:01:01,387
And if we would consider an amendments

2261
02:01:01,421 --> 02:01:03,821
to the current policy.

2262
02:01:06,210 --> 02:01:07,604
We know -- I've heard it here tonight.

2263
02:01:07,604 --> 02:01:10,245
$60,000 a month in retail leakage just from one company

2264
02:01:10,245 --> 02:01:11,461
because of the fuel.

2265
02:01:11,461 --> 02:01:14,861
That's a significant amount of money that the town of Windsor

2266
02:01:14,861 --> 02:01:15,985
is not receiving.

2267
02:01:15,985 --> 02:01:22,585
And it is not -- that company is not purchasing gas.

2268
02:01:24,241 --> 02:01:25,641
They're not polluting the air.

2269
02:01:25,641 --> 02:01:26,717
They're still doing that.

2270
02:01:26,717 --> 02:01:30,300
They're just doing it in a different town,

2271
02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:32,501
than driving here and driving all the way up there.

2272
02:01:32,501 --> 02:01:34,751
That's still happening common with the town of Windsor

2273
02:01:34,751 --> 02:01:38,710
is losing out on all that.

2274
02:01:38,710 --> 02:01:44,569
We have said we want to be open to revenue sources for the town.

2275
02:01:44,569 --> 02:01:46,545
We have a $4 million structural deficit.

2276
02:01:46,545 --> 02:01:50,245
To have bans in place that limit our revenue sources

2277
02:01:50,245 --> 02:01:54,885
and limit our employee employment abilities in town,

2278
02:01:54,885 --> 02:01:57,285
those are opposing things.

2279
02:01:58,463 --> 02:02:00,505
So we can't say we're open to any sort of revenue

2280
02:02:00,505 --> 02:02:02,588
and trying to build our budget when we were saying

2281
02:02:02,588 --> 02:02:04,955
we're going to ban types of businesses

2282
02:02:04,955 --> 02:02:08,909
from coming into town, once we know we can potentially

2283
02:02:08,909 --> 02:02:09,949
bring in tax dollars.

2284
02:02:09,949 --> 02:02:13,405
And that doesn't mean we're saying throw everything out

2285
02:02:13,405 --> 02:02:15,485
and the environment doesn't matter.

2286
02:02:15,485 --> 02:02:20,885
It's does a company that's coming in that potentially

2287
02:02:22,317 --> 02:02:24,609
requires a gas station comment what kind of mitigations

2288
02:02:24,609 --> 02:02:25,314
do they have?

2289
02:02:25,314 --> 02:02:27,106
What technology do they have in 2026 that's

2290
02:02:27,106 --> 02:02:28,763
going to limit fuel leakage and it's

2291
02:02:28,763 --> 02:02:30,471
going to limit the environmental impacts?

2292
02:02:30,471 --> 02:02:32,179
Because we know the environmental impacts

2293
02:02:32,179 --> 02:02:34,501
from a gas station are not the same today in 2026

2294
02:02:34,501 --> 02:02:39,301
as they were when I started driving in 1996, 95.

2295
02:02:44,885 --> 02:02:48,505
What I'm saying, I'm not trying to make a joke about.

2296
02:02:48,505 --> 02:02:50,885
I'm trying to be serious that we know the technology gets

2297
02:02:50,885 --> 02:02:52,930
better and better every year.

2298
02:02:52,930 --> 02:02:55,493
Let me know that the impacts to our environment

2299
02:02:55,493 --> 02:02:56,525
are very significant.

2300
02:02:56,525 --> 02:02:59,285
They are significant to this council.

2301
02:02:59,285 --> 02:03:01,470
Their to the residents of the town of Windsor.

2302
02:03:01,470 --> 02:03:03,650
But we know they get better.

2303
02:03:03,650 --> 02:03:05,663
So are we going to be completely closed down to that or are

2304
02:03:05,663 --> 02:03:07,371
we going to keep going forward and trying

2305
02:03:07,371 --> 02:03:09,948
to see if there is a policy that is potentially just

2306
02:03:09,948 --> 02:03:12,365
right for the town of Windsor that allows us to maybe have

2307
02:03:12,365 --> 02:03:16,185
these revenue options in the future that also allows us

2308
02:03:16,185 --> 02:03:22,185
to keep our strict environmental policies that we currently have.

2309
02:03:22,395 --> 02:03:24,395
Thank you.

2310
02:03:25,778 --> 02:03:30,837
>> So with that discussion conversation that the vice mayor

2311
02:03:30,837 --> 02:03:34,854
just mentioned, can you explain the difference between three

2312
02:03:34,854 --> 02:03:36,473
and two?

2313
02:03:36,473 --> 02:03:42,885
Because I want to be mindful of our staff time and what

2314
02:03:42,885 --> 02:03:45,205
each of those would look like.

2315
02:03:45,205 --> 02:03:48,877
Could the items that you brought up right now, vice mayor,

2316
02:03:48,877 --> 02:03:52,250
could that be taken care of by choosing item number two instead

2317
02:03:52,250 --> 02:03:54,250
of three?

2318
02:03:57,965 --> 02:04:03,365
Is it just a less -- >> If I could,

2319
02:04:05,833 --> 02:04:09,671
I believe that the purpose behind or the thought behind

2320
02:04:09,671 --> 02:04:13,649
option number two would be to look at rescinding the ban,

2321
02:04:13,649 --> 02:04:18,429
whether it be for large retail, which also has an association

2322
02:04:18,429 --> 02:04:21,965
gas station, as well as a standalone gas station.

2323
02:04:21,965 --> 02:04:24,605
Really rescinding the bank of.

2324
02:04:24,605 --> 02:04:26,605
>> Number two.

2325
02:04:27,500 --> 02:04:30,147
>>, but for number three, that was more of that concept of did

2326
02:04:30,147 --> 02:04:33,125
we want to look at the potential of a zoning ordinance,

2327
02:04:33,125 --> 02:04:37,502
zoning amendments that would only entertain the thought

2328
02:04:37,502 --> 02:04:40,741
of a gas station if it was associated with a large retail

2329
02:04:40,741 --> 02:04:43,701
in the gateway zoning district.

2330
02:04:43,701 --> 02:04:45,701
Does that help?

2331
02:04:46,605 --> 02:04:47,633
>> It does help.

2332
02:04:47,633 --> 02:04:48,147
Thank you.

2333
02:04:48,147 --> 02:04:51,725
I wanted to start off by saying as someone who had given up

2334
02:04:51,725 --> 02:04:54,301
driving their gas car 80% of the time,

2335
02:04:54,301 --> 02:04:57,301
because I'm taking public transportation,

2336
02:05:00,245 --> 02:05:03,850
I wasn't doing it for environmental reasons.

2337
02:05:03,850 --> 02:05:06,613
I was doing it because I started thinking train

2338
02:05:06,613 --> 02:05:10,813
and I'm like, wow, this is amazing.

2339
02:05:13,245 --> 02:05:18,100
The education, it's unfortunate that we still need it out there

2340
02:05:18,100 --> 02:05:24,583
for people to get out of their -- fuel their car.

2341
02:05:24,583 --> 02:05:27,690
But then I did buy a new vehicle and it's gas.

2342
02:05:27,690 --> 02:05:34,869
So it is not as easy as we think to transfer to EV,

2343
02:05:35,645 --> 02:05:37,397
to transfer your lifestyle.

2344
02:05:37,397 --> 02:05:40,407
It took me over a year to get on the train.

2345
02:05:40,407 --> 02:05:47,700
So we still need to do more work in Sonoma County.

2346
02:05:49,597 --> 02:05:51,305
But another perspective I wanted to bring

2347
02:05:51,305 --> 02:05:57,450
is that in Windsor, I always heard live, work, and play.

2348
02:05:57,450 --> 02:05:59,951
If we live here, we don't work here.

2349
02:05:59,951 --> 02:06:02,700
The majority work outside of the town of Windsor.

2350
02:06:02,700 --> 02:06:06,516
I go all the way to Nevada for work.

2351
02:06:06,516 --> 02:06:09,735
But I am also hearing so many people,

2352
02:06:09,735 --> 02:06:15,135
they literally drive to Costco only to get gas.

2353
02:06:15,216 --> 02:06:16,192
And I know that.

2354
02:06:16,192 --> 02:06:18,125
I know a lot of people who do that.

2355
02:06:18,125 --> 02:06:22,365
I'm not making it up for the sake of making it up.

2356
02:06:22,365 --> 02:06:27,165
And so I was leaning towards number one

2357
02:06:28,675 --> 02:06:31,133
because we don't have any interested parties.

2358
02:06:31,133 --> 02:06:34,105
I want to trust our staff.

2359
02:06:34,105 --> 02:06:38,261
I want to trust that we can connect with these companies.

2360
02:06:38,261 --> 02:06:41,845
And at a later point we can come back and discuss this.

2361
02:06:41,845 --> 02:06:45,805
But then I heard comments from the building

2362
02:06:45,805 --> 02:06:49,953
over 300 homes and that on and off ramp

2363
02:06:49,953 --> 02:06:51,882
and whereas the gas station going to go?

2364
02:06:51,882 --> 02:06:57,882
So I'm still open to any of these options tonight.

2365
02:06:59,765 --> 02:07:03,959
Like council member salmon said, we do.

2366
02:07:03,959 --> 02:07:08,573
Our job here is to look at a bigger picture, bigger window,

2367
02:07:08,573 --> 02:07:13,218
and not just one, even though it is in our sustainability

2368
02:07:13,218 --> 02:07:16,218
language about protecting our environment.

2369
02:07:19,735 --> 02:07:21,437
I understand that.

2370
02:07:21,437 --> 02:07:24,193
But we have so many different things that we are looking at.

2371
02:07:24,193 --> 02:07:26,485
So I'm not even sure what I'm going to do here tonight.

2372
02:07:26,485 --> 02:07:28,925
Did you want to share something?

2373
02:07:28,925 --> 02:07:31,925
>> Patrick Stewart, community director, again,

2374
02:07:32,119 --> 02:07:34,550
this is not an action item.

2375
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:36,305
I'm not going to be looking for a motion or amendments

2376
02:07:36,305 --> 02:07:37,350
or anything like that.

2377
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:40,562
We're really just looking for direction from the staff,

2378
02:07:40,562 --> 02:07:45,170
taking a temperatur of what direction you'd like to go.

2379
02:07:45,170 --> 02:07:48,611
With that said, number one is pretty clear.

2380
02:07:48,611 --> 02:07:50,945
If we feel overwhelmingly from the council

2381
02:07:50,945 --> 02:07:53,195
that we should dictate no further action at this time,

2382
02:07:53,195 --> 02:07:55,450
that is clear to staff.

2383
02:07:55,450 --> 02:07:58,550
But two and three don't have to be mutually exclusive.

2384
02:07:58,550 --> 02:08:00,701
Two this does the Council generally

2385
02:08:00,701 --> 02:08:03,285
feel that we should be exploring a certain policy?

2386
02:08:03,285 --> 02:08:05,333
Be that full repeal, should we be

2387
02:08:05,333 --> 02:08:06,791
looking at a policy that would just

2388
02:08:06,791 --> 02:08:08,813
have a carve out for certain types of retailers?

2389
02:08:08,813 --> 02:08:11,860
And number three is are there certain factors

2390
02:08:11,860 --> 02:08:13,985
that the council would like more information about?

2391
02:08:13,985 --> 02:08:17,851
So more information about the economic impact of a new gas

2392
02:08:17,851 --> 02:08:21,297
station standalone, economic impact of a large retailer

2393
02:08:21,297 --> 02:08:23,567
and where that would go.

2394
02:08:23,567 --> 02:08:26,514
So we could combine two and three

2395
02:08:26,514 --> 02:08:29,231
if there's general interest in developing a draft ordinance

2396
02:08:29,231 --> 02:08:31,500
that would have a carve out.

2397
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:34,541
What kind of information would be helpful for the council

2398
02:08:34,541 --> 02:08:37,550
to decide whether to adopt that ordinance for instance?

2399
02:08:37,550 --> 02:08:39,781
That's the information that we are looking for.

2400
02:08:39,781 --> 02:08:44,450
Does the Council just want to table this until a future date

2401
02:08:44,450 --> 02:08:46,493
or should staff be committing staff

2402
02:08:46,493 --> 02:08:50,785
time to coming up with draft ordinances or doing research?

2403
02:08:50,785 --> 02:08:54,725
>> That was my point is what kind of staff time are we

2404
02:08:54,725 --> 02:08:59,568
talking about when there's really nothing on the table.

2405
02:08:59,568 --> 02:09:02,925
So that's where I want to talk with you.

2406
02:09:02,925 --> 02:09:05,736
>> Can I make a comment?

2407
02:09:05,736 --> 02:09:07,153
You might remember that I'm going

2408
02:09:07,153 --> 02:09:08,445
to guess it was six months ago.

2409
02:09:08,445 --> 02:09:10,185
It may have been longer than that where

2410
02:09:10,185 --> 02:09:15,870
we had the discussion of poems home owners Association having

2411
02:09:15,870 --> 02:09:18,870
to deal with Castaneda's store.

2412
02:09:19,485 --> 02:09:22,908
And we got in this tizzy like this.

2413
02:09:22,908 --> 02:09:26,233
I think it might have been me.

2414
02:09:26,233 --> 02:09:27,753
I made the suggestion.

2415
02:09:27,753 --> 02:09:30,245
I don't think we'd have enough answers.

2416
02:09:30,245 --> 02:09:32,205
Not only to make a decision but to even

2417
02:09:32,205 --> 02:09:33,585
know what we are deciding on.

2418
02:09:33,585 --> 02:09:39,485
And so I suggest that we just back off for a second tier.

2419
02:09:39,485 --> 02:09:41,211
We all have plenty of time.

2420
02:09:41,211 --> 02:09:45,105
This is not happening tomorrow or the next months.

2421
02:09:45,105 --> 02:09:50,505
And we all talk to town manager Davis frequently.

2422
02:09:52,957 --> 02:09:57,408
And he can judge where we are heading

2423
02:09:57,408 --> 02:10:00,578
and maybe value some things we might want to ask.

2424
02:10:00,578 --> 02:10:02,568
And then sometime at a later date

2425
02:10:02,568 --> 02:10:04,469
we will come back and address it again.

2426
02:10:04,469 --> 02:10:06,469
This is not happening tonight.

2427
02:10:06,469 --> 02:10:09,320
A decision is not happening tonight.

2428
02:10:09,320 --> 02:10:11,685
Direction is not even happening tonight.

2429
02:10:11,685 --> 02:10:13,978
That is my opinion.

2430
02:10:13,978 --> 02:10:16,220
We just back off a little bit.

2431
02:10:16,220 --> 02:10:18,635
We will talk to John for a while.

2432
02:10:18,635 --> 02:10:20,285
And maybe come back for more

2433
02:10:20,285 --> 02:10:21,618
>> Thank you for your direction.

2434
02:10:21,618 --> 02:10:23,245
Anyone else?

2435
02:10:23,245 --> 02:10:26,845
>> If I could, thank you, JB.

2436
02:10:28,947 --> 02:10:32,285
I think we need to understand we will hold off providing

2437
02:10:32,285 --> 02:10:34,439
direction on the zoning change.

2438
02:10:34,439 --> 02:10:41,390
But I think we go forward on a economic development platform.

2439
02:10:43,718 --> 02:10:48,479
Tim, I think that is direction I would like to give

2440
02:10:48,479 --> 02:10:53,261
is that now we've had a public hearing where the council has

2441
02:10:53,261 --> 02:10:56,861
talked about a big box retail.

2442
02:10:56,993 --> 02:11:01,736
And we believe there requirements of a gas station.

2443
02:11:01,736 --> 02:11:07,445
So we have that card to go out and to at least

2444
02:11:07,445 --> 02:11:10,120
talk to a Costco or a store like that.

2445
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:12,383
So they know we have an interest.

2446
02:11:12,383 --> 02:11:14,805
But they also know we have a bad.

2447
02:11:14,805 --> 02:11:20,301
And they would be able to ask us, well, how are you

2448
02:11:20,301 --> 02:11:22,251
going to deal with your band?

2449
02:11:22,251 --> 02:11:25,580
And then I think we can come up with these other questions.

2450
02:11:25,580 --> 02:11:28,565
What site are you talking to about?

2451
02:11:28,565 --> 02:11:29,731
That is the bigger one.

2452
02:11:29,731 --> 02:11:31,153
There was only one site.

2453
02:11:31,153 --> 02:11:34,210
As far as we know, they don't want to sell.

2454
02:11:34,210 --> 02:11:38,410
So it's kind of an easy question.

2455
02:11:39,298 --> 02:11:40,653
That's my understanding.

2456
02:11:40,653 --> 02:11:42,373
I know of the site.

2457
02:11:42,373 --> 02:11:44,684
I don't think there's any others in my estimation.

2458
02:11:44,684 --> 02:11:47,405
They don't want to sell, but they are not,

2459
02:11:47,405 --> 02:11:49,992
from what we can guess, they are not

2460
02:11:49,992 --> 02:11:52,117
going to go forward with their planned development.

2461
02:11:52,117 --> 02:11:55,705
And so the land is there apparently

2462
02:11:55,705 --> 02:11:59,553
so that is what I would say is we go forward.

2463
02:11:59,553 --> 02:12:01,945
We look at it as an economic development issue

2464
02:12:01,945 --> 02:12:05,844
and try our best to do our best to really address

2465
02:12:05,844 --> 02:12:07,844
this retail leakage.

2466
02:12:08,725 --> 02:12:15,311
It's the one area we can make some progress in where

2467
02:12:15,311 --> 02:12:18,838
I don't see us making progress in tourism.

2468
02:12:18,838 --> 02:12:23,638
What a sad thing and hotels in bankruptcy,

2469
02:12:27,405 --> 02:12:30,405
hotels unable to be built.

2470
02:12:31,325 --> 02:12:31,959
>> Thank you.

2471
02:12:31,959 --> 02:12:35,376
I want to say one of the ways that we

2472
02:12:35,376 --> 02:12:39,295
signal businesses to be interested in Windsor

2473
02:12:39,295 --> 02:12:40,658
is through our policies.

2474
02:12:40,658 --> 02:12:45,305
So if we have a policy that says we have a ban on gas stations

2475
02:12:45,305 --> 02:12:50,185
and there is no carve out in our policy,

2476
02:12:50,185 --> 02:12:52,893
that signals to them that we are not interested in doing business

2477
02:12:52,893 --> 02:12:53,468
with them.

2478
02:12:53,468 --> 02:12:56,980
And that is how policies work.

2479
02:12:56,980 --> 02:13:00,155
That is the whole reason for policies is really a policy out,

2480
02:13:00,155 --> 02:13:05,305
and then that tells developers where they can build housing,

2481
02:13:05,305 --> 02:13:07,291
where they can build retail, where

2482
02:13:07,291 --> 02:13:08,565
they can build all the things.

2483
02:13:08,565 --> 02:13:11,861
If they are not working towards letting businesses

2484
02:13:11,861 --> 02:13:16,133
know that that is something that we might consider in the future,

2485
02:13:16,133 --> 02:13:20,530
they look at our policy and go, if they

2486
02:13:20,530 --> 02:13:23,205
didn't watch this town council meeting, they don't know.

2487
02:13:23,205 --> 02:13:28,264
They look at our policy and go, they have a ban on gas stations

2488
02:13:28,264 --> 02:13:29,725
and we can't build in Windsor.

2489
02:13:29,725 --> 02:13:31,141
They are not interested.

2490
02:13:31,141 --> 02:13:33,180
And that is what policy is.

2491
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:36,525
I know that you know that, Council member Sam.

2492
02:13:36,525 --> 02:13:39,375
And I appreciate that you are interested in stopping

2493
02:13:39,375 --> 02:13:42,400
retail leakage because it really is a significant thing that we

2494
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,245
saw in our presentations.

2495
02:13:44,245 --> 02:13:47,741
>> What I'm saying is we need to be proactive.

2496
02:13:47,741 --> 02:13:50,285
The cardboard is not necessarily proactive.

2497
02:13:50,285 --> 02:13:54,372
We go to the specific entity that we

2498
02:13:54,372 --> 02:13:56,705
are looking at, which is different than what we normally

2499
02:13:56,705 --> 02:13:57,205
do.

2500
02:13:57,205 --> 02:14:00,658
We have a general plan called General Plan

2501
02:14:00,658 --> 02:14:02,625
it is not specific to.

2502
02:14:02,625 --> 02:14:03,989
It is called General.

2503
02:14:03,989 --> 02:14:06,858
That's when you have carve outs and zoning.

2504
02:14:06,858 --> 02:14:10,485
But I think in this position, we're able to go out

2505
02:14:10,485 --> 02:14:11,879
and say we are interested.

2506
02:14:11,879 --> 02:14:15,156
Here is what we think we can do.

2507
02:14:15,156 --> 02:14:19,356
If you're interested-- I've talked to Patrick

2508
02:14:19,692 --> 02:14:21,725
about the costs of environmental workup.

2509
02:14:21,725 --> 02:14:26,525
It could be half $1 million on the town.

2510
02:14:27,836 --> 02:14:34,565
But that is why this has to be a sign of a development agreement.

2511
02:14:34,565 --> 02:14:36,965
Has to be proactive.

2512
02:14:37,285 --> 02:14:40,822
>> For the mayor, if I may, we are not taking a vote.

2513
02:14:40,822 --> 02:14:42,405
We don't even need to do a straw poll.

2514
02:14:42,405 --> 02:14:44,373
All comments made by council members,

2515
02:14:44,373 --> 02:14:47,185
and it seems like you're in agreement on some things,

2516
02:14:47,185 --> 02:14:49,285
there's different thoughts on other things.

2517
02:14:49,285 --> 02:14:51,585
That is all being heard by staff and ultimately

2518
02:14:51,585 --> 02:14:55,811
how we use the staff resources is going to be a town manager

2519
02:14:55,811 --> 02:14:57,436
decision, and then as a department head

2520
02:14:57,436 --> 02:15:00,805
I will allocate staff time to doing research and drafting up

2521
02:15:00,805 --> 02:15:01,909
reports on everything.

2522
02:15:01,909 --> 02:15:04,975
When we get requests from the council to bring something

2523
02:15:04,975 --> 02:15:07,358
forward, that's when --

2524
02:15:07,358 --> 02:15:10,550
whether or not we are prepared for during that,

2525
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:12,348
that's going to be the timeline we're looking at.

2526
02:15:12,348 --> 02:15:14,560
So regular meetings with the town manager

2527
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,333
are going to face how we do this research.

2528
02:15:16,333 --> 02:15:17,971
In the interest of--

2529
02:15:17,971 --> 02:15:21,199
I'm sure we could debate this all night, but at this time

2530
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:23,850
I think staff has heard enough.

2531
02:15:23,850 --> 02:15:26,825
>> If I could step in, thank you, director, mayor,

2532
02:15:26,825 --> 02:15:27,829
just briefly.

2533
02:15:27,829 --> 02:15:29,800
I see the council struggling with this.

2534
02:15:29,800 --> 02:15:33,525
I believe right now we've had interest in tabling the issue

2535
02:15:33,525 --> 02:15:35,951
and not continuing to discuss it.

2536
02:15:35,951 --> 02:15:39,567
At that point we can always keep our ears open

2537
02:15:39,567 --> 02:15:41,109
and we can always do further outreach

2538
02:15:41,109 --> 02:15:43,225
and try to make connectivity with some

2539
02:15:43,225 --> 02:15:45,250
of these potential retailers.

2540
02:15:45,250 --> 02:15:50,805
I have also heard that there is a interest in either repealing

2541
02:15:50,805 --> 02:15:55,605
or doing further research on a carve out.

2542
02:15:56,651 --> 02:16:00,251
And so we are split there.

2543
02:16:02,463 --> 02:16:04,997
If we don't come to consensus tonight,

2544
02:16:04,997 --> 02:16:08,409
we do need consensus in that area.

2545
02:16:08,409 --> 02:16:11,117
In order to know if we should do what directors Twitter is saying

2546
02:16:11,117 --> 02:16:15,938
and allocate more staff time, we can always also let this go

2547
02:16:15,938 --> 02:16:19,627
tonight and come back at a time in the future and discuss it

2548
02:16:19,627 --> 02:16:27,427
again for now but I think I am looking at you, may --

2549
02:16:29,237 --> 02:16:31,237
Mayor Reynoza.

2550
02:16:31,413 --> 02:16:34,445
>> What was your decision, one, two, or three?

2551
02:16:34,445 --> 02:16:37,778
I didn't hear which one you had.

2552
02:16:37,778 --> 02:16:41,378
>> I prefer the two, three hybrid.

2553
02:16:42,729 --> 02:16:44,729
>> Me?

2554
02:16:45,541 --> 02:16:48,490
>> If you would, mayor, and I don't mean to put you

2555
02:16:48,490 --> 02:16:51,365
on the spot, but we do need to have some direction to staff

2556
02:16:51,365 --> 02:16:53,365
tonight.

2557
02:16:54,140 --> 02:16:56,210
>> I would like to make another comment.

2558
02:16:56,210 --> 02:16:58,210
That is that we have not discussed

2559
02:16:58,210 --> 02:17:02,277
the environmental impacts and having a strong evaluation

2560
02:17:02,277 --> 02:17:05,193
of the environmental impacts of a gas station,

2561
02:17:05,193 --> 02:17:09,757
whether it is rooted in the ground, how many people drive

2562
02:17:09,757 --> 02:17:11,413
here, don't drive here.

2563
02:17:11,413 --> 02:17:13,357
All those variables.

2564
02:17:13,357 --> 02:17:17,494
And whether or not they are-- if you

2565
02:17:17,494 --> 02:17:20,955
listen to the environmental folks talk, it is all negative.

2566
02:17:20,955 --> 02:17:25,660
But we really need to go back and have a look at it ourselves.

2567
02:17:25,660 --> 02:17:29,445
In addition to the information we are getting from hearsay.

2568
02:17:29,445 --> 02:17:33,325
So this is why I asked the question a few minutes ago

2569
02:17:33,325 --> 02:17:38,125
where I said we need to have to look into that.

2570
02:17:38,125 --> 02:17:42,180
We have looked into is leakage, where it's going to go,

2571
02:17:42,180 --> 02:17:43,780
where it might go.

2572
02:17:43,780 --> 02:17:44,239
What we took that way.

2573
02:17:44,239 --> 02:17:47,565
What we may come back and say, no, environmental risks

2574
02:17:47,565 --> 02:17:48,362
are too high?

2575
02:17:48,362 --> 02:17:51,125
And we have not had that analysis.

2576
02:17:51,125 --> 02:17:54,347
>> The only way we're going to have that analysis is if the --

2577
02:17:54,347 --> 02:17:57,125
>> Is by asking for that analysis.

2578
02:17:57,125 --> 02:17:57,945
>> 2 or 3.

2579
02:17:57,945 --> 02:18:02,745
Are you asking you a hybrid of 2 and 3?

2580
02:18:05,564 --> 02:18:08,296
# >> #2 talks about how to make the amendment.

2581
02:18:08,296 --> 02:18:10,418
I am not at all saying that.

2582
02:18:10,418 --> 02:18:13,738
What I am saying is we don't have enough information

2583
02:18:13,738 --> 02:18:16,738
on environmental impact to determine

2584
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:21,909
whether we should do any kind of amendment or anything like that.

2585
02:18:21,909 --> 02:18:24,409
We may come out of this after looking at it and saying

2586
02:18:24,409 --> 02:18:28,410
the environment -- which is what they did over the past few years

2587
02:18:28,410 --> 02:18:34,265
is to come up with a solution, which was to ban gas stations

2588
02:18:34,265 --> 02:18:36,637
because of the environmental impact, essentially.

2589
02:18:36,637 --> 02:18:40,501
So I expect that we will have conversations on that.

2590
02:18:40,501 --> 02:18:43,113
I certainly will be bringing it up again.

2591
02:18:43,113 --> 02:18:45,655
I don't have enough information from the town's point of view

2592
02:18:45,655 --> 02:18:49,413
to make a recommendation that is not

2593
02:18:49,413 --> 02:18:52,413
fact based on climate impacts.

2594
02:18:56,734 --> 02:19:00,325
>> I was just trying to read out my vote being the final one.

2595
02:19:00,325 --> 02:19:04,745
Back when this motion happened, you and I were on the council.

2596
02:19:04,745 --> 02:19:10,965
I remember specifically one of us asked, can this be rescinded?

2597
02:19:10,965 --> 02:19:13,605
The environmental is so important.

2598
02:19:13,605 --> 02:19:16,405
It hard what's happening with all the fires.

2599
02:19:16,405 --> 02:19:19,485
Climate action is so important to them

2600
02:19:19,485 --> 02:19:21,345
that but I remember specifically saying

2601
02:19:21,345 --> 02:19:24,137
this can be rescinded later because we never

2602
02:19:24,137 --> 02:19:27,945
know what's going to-- who is going to approach us,

2603
02:19:27,945 --> 02:19:28,721
the reason.

2604
02:19:28,721 --> 02:19:34,101
For that reason and the fiscal responsibility where we are at,

2605
02:19:34,101 --> 02:19:36,133
unfortunately retail is important?

2606
02:19:36,133 --> 02:19:42,133
Our sales tax staying in Windsor, the type of employment

2607
02:19:42,536 --> 02:19:44,911
you can have so people don't have to drive out of Windsor

2608
02:19:44,911 --> 02:19:50,315
to work would be amazing for a big place like this.

2609
02:19:50,315 --> 02:19:55,115
I will go ahead and say number three.

2610
02:19:55,245 --> 02:19:59,970
>> If I could, mayor, to put a bow on this a little bit,

2611
02:19:59,970 --> 02:20:03,650
I have read that different varying interests in council.

2612
02:20:03,650 --> 02:20:06,399
Two directly Streeter's point is we could do research

2613
02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:12,999
on the amendment to a ban that could include discussion points,

2614
02:20:13,245 --> 02:20:18,525
whether it be for gas stations in general or gas stations

2615
02:20:18,525 --> 02:20:20,411
only associated with big box retail.

2616
02:20:20,411 --> 02:20:22,991
I think what we'd be asking staff

2617
02:20:22,991 --> 02:20:26,777
to do is bring back additional information on what the zoning

2618
02:20:26,777 --> 02:20:32,773
code amendment might look like to allow gas station only

2619
02:20:32,773 --> 02:20:37,183
when an accessory to a large retail establishment and also

2620
02:20:37,183 --> 02:20:39,391
including some of the impacts that a gas station that

2621
02:20:39,391 --> 02:20:40,765
is sustainable might have.

2622
02:20:40,765 --> 02:20:44,585
We are not making a decision at this time to ban or peel back.

2623
02:20:44,585 --> 02:20:49,385
We're just asking for more information for consideration.

2624
02:20:49,560 --> 02:20:51,205
Also as Council Member Lee asked for,

2625
02:20:51,205 --> 02:20:54,950
we can bring back some general more high level environmental.

2626
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:57,598
But until we have a decision made by council

2627
02:20:57,598 --> 02:21:00,390
where we want to go, we don't want to dive

2628
02:21:00,390 --> 02:21:01,897
into the expenses of the environmental.

2629
02:21:01,897 --> 02:21:03,855
But we can certainly pull down some information

2630
02:21:03,855 --> 02:21:08,285
that is enough to help this conversation for now

2631
02:21:08,285 --> 02:21:12,485
bring back more information >> Yes thank you

2632
02:21:17,577 --> 02:21:22,377
>> I'm just looking for nodding heads for discussion.

2633
02:21:23,500 --> 02:21:25,845
>> Looking at this gas station affiliated with a certain big

2634
02:21:25,845 --> 02:21:32,445
box home and also in my estimation a certain parcel I .

2635
02:21:33,122 --> 02:21:37,922
Because that certain parcel may not cancel out.

2636
02:21:38,536 --> 02:21:40,741
It may not be constrained just for gas stations

2637
02:21:40,741 --> 02:21:41,698
but for the use.

2638
02:21:41,698 --> 02:21:42,467
That's it.

2639
02:21:42,467 --> 02:21:43,620
It's game over.

2640
02:21:43,620 --> 02:21:48,922
I just need to make sure that that is my position.

2641
02:21:48,922 --> 02:21:51,437
>> So with that said, Council salmon,

2642
02:21:51,437 --> 02:21:54,791
you would be more interested in staff spending their time

2643
02:21:54,791 --> 02:22:00,191
on a more focused associated with a big box.

2644
02:22:01,205 --> 02:22:07,450
>> Look at if we even have a place to accommodate a big box

2645
02:22:07,450 --> 02:22:09,520
and with the necessity of a gas station.

2646
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:10,511
We don't know that.

2647
02:22:10,511 --> 02:22:17,445
I see a parcel out there, but it has a creek running through it.

2648
02:22:17,445 --> 02:22:21,825
>> So I think we have three then that are looking at potentially

2649
02:22:21,825 --> 02:22:22,985
that focus.

2650
02:22:22,985 --> 02:22:25,255
We can also bring down other information.

2651
02:22:25,255 --> 02:22:30,725
But that is where we will spend some of staff time.

2652
02:22:30,725 --> 02:22:32,685
>> You have direction on?

2653
02:22:32,685 --> 02:22:34,685
Thank you.

2654
02:22:34,911 --> 02:22:36,695
>> Thank you.

2655
02:22:36,695 --> 02:22:38,695
Thank you, everybody.

2656
02:22:38,991 --> 02:22:44,277
Okay, we are moving on to 15.1, individual council member

2657
02:22:44,277 --> 02:22:45,213
reports or comments.

2658
02:22:45,213 --> 02:22:46,665
I don't have any tonight.

2659
02:22:46,665 --> 02:22:49,665
Who would like to start?

2660
02:22:49,845 --> 02:22:52,450
>> I will go ahead and start.

2661
02:22:52,450 --> 02:22:55,888
I attended National Night Out last night, which was great.

2662
02:22:55,888 --> 02:23:01,950
I appreciate the chief and the Windsor Police Department

2663
02:23:01,950 --> 02:23:03,685
for putting that together and having that event for us.

2664
02:23:03,685 --> 02:23:06,653
I thought it was super cute that our town movie last night was

2665
02:23:06,653 --> 02:23:09,685
also Zootopia, which had cute little police officer

2666
02:23:09,685 --> 02:23:15,365
Bunny to go in conjunction with our National Night Out.

2667
02:23:15,365 --> 02:23:19,645
Also this morning I attended the Business Alliance meeting,

2668
02:23:19,645 --> 02:23:23,538
talking to the businesses about our tax measure

2669
02:23:23,538 --> 02:23:27,360
and what that means in our budget and the way

2670
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:29,885
that our structural deficit looks like right now.

2671
02:23:29,885 --> 02:23:32,818
So we talk a lot about it was hosted by Santa Rosa.

2672
02:23:32,818 --> 02:23:35,541
So I was there with Santa Rosa and Wrotham Park

2673
02:23:35,541 --> 02:23:37,815
was there also talking about their tax measures.

2674
02:23:37,815 --> 02:23:42,150
Also attended the strategic Transit Plan workshop

2675
02:23:43,258 --> 02:23:47,965
that was here at the visitors center talking about ways

2676
02:23:47,965 --> 02:23:52,237
that we can try to help Sonoma County Transit be more efficient

2677
02:23:52,237 --> 02:23:56,285
and to be better here in the town of Windsor.

2678
02:23:56,285 --> 02:23:57,965
It wasn't just for town of Windsor.

2679
02:23:57,965 --> 02:23:59,995
It was the entire transit.

2680
02:23:59,995 --> 02:24:01,557
It was a really good workshop.

2681
02:24:01,557 --> 02:24:03,938
I know they are still taking public comment on their plan

2682
02:24:03,938 --> 02:24:06,471
and how they are working it for the future.

2683
02:24:06,471 --> 02:24:10,765
I did attend the community meeting in district four,

2684
02:24:10,765 --> 02:24:15,565
talking about the potential Windsor School site plan.

2685
02:24:15,789 --> 02:24:19,733
I went there to make sure there was information provided on some

2686
02:24:19,733 --> 02:24:21,441
of our arena numbers and different things

2687
02:24:21,441 --> 02:24:25,138
that we have currently, and just to listen to the community

2688
02:24:25,138 --> 02:24:26,885
and what they have to say over there.

2689
02:24:26,885 --> 02:24:32,485
Also attended the last concert where we did the Pass the Hat.

2690
02:24:32,485 --> 02:24:33,445
That was super fun.

2691
02:24:33,445 --> 02:24:34,987
There were council members there that

2692
02:24:34,987 --> 02:24:37,911
did pass the hat to try to help us fund our Thursday night

2693
02:24:37,911 --> 02:24:38,411
concerts.

2694
02:24:38,411 --> 02:24:40,450
That is all I have.

2695
02:24:40,450 --> 02:24:41,245
Thank you.

2696
02:24:41,245 --> 02:24:42,445
>> Busy, busy.

2697
02:24:42,445 --> 02:24:44,745
Next, who would like to go?

2698
02:24:44,745 --> 02:24:46,491
>> I will go.

2699
02:24:46,491 --> 02:24:51,173
I am participating as the ad hoc liaison to the committee

2700
02:24:51,173 --> 02:24:53,285
to plan for the Resilience Center

2701
02:24:53,285 --> 02:24:55,625
at the Kaiser Park over the next few years.

2702
02:24:55,625 --> 02:24:58,405
It's a very interesting subject, perhaps

2703
02:24:58,405 --> 02:25:01,850
going to take as long as 5 or 10 years,

2704
02:25:01,850 --> 02:25:03,485
providing services like evacuation,

2705
02:25:04,310 --> 02:25:07,631
cooling, warming, emergency services, and response.

2706
02:25:08,905 --> 02:25:12,597
A community center for arts, culture, and recreation.

2707
02:25:12,597 --> 02:25:15,425
That is quite a mouthful going on out there at the Resilience

2708
02:25:15,425 --> 02:25:16,231
Center at Kaiser.

2709
02:25:16,231 --> 02:25:20,700
So the purpose of the planning that they are working on right

2710
02:25:20,700 --> 02:25:26,670
now is to secure an additional grant of 500 000 to get started

2711
02:25:27,288 --> 02:25:32,880
on the actual design and drawings in preparation

2712
02:25:33,930 --> 02:25:36,230
of grants in the future.

2713
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:39,974
So that's what they are doing is planning.

2714
02:25:39,974 --> 02:25:42,730
That's what they are doing under Director layman's direction

2715
02:25:42,730 --> 02:25:45,531
is to plan for a grant just to get started on being

2716
02:25:45,531 --> 02:25:48,450
able to plan for future grants.

2717
02:25:48,450 --> 02:25:52,691
The actual design and drawings for such a thing be prepared

2718
02:25:52,691 --> 02:25:55,133
over the next couple of years will eventually

2719
02:25:55,133 --> 02:25:58,675
lead to 1 million to $10 million to actually develop

2720
02:25:58,675 --> 02:26:00,675
the Resiliency center.

2721
02:26:01,450 --> 02:26:04,157
So that is a pretty exciting program,

2722
02:26:04,157 --> 02:26:10,385
and we are moving forward on the various phases of the grant

2723
02:26:10,385 --> 02:26:10,885
process.

2724
02:26:10,885 --> 02:26:16,885
I also attended the Sonoma County Transit meeting that Vice

2725
02:26:17,989 --> 02:26:19,989
Mayor Tanya --

2726
02:26:21,391 --> 02:26:23,618
I'll just use Tanya.

2727
02:26:23,618 --> 02:26:27,285
I am actually a direct contact with Manager Betts of Sonoma

2728
02:26:27,285 --> 02:26:29,525
County Transit and the busses.

2729
02:26:29,525 --> 02:26:33,653
And I am still trying to get her to come meet with me.

2730
02:26:33,653 --> 02:26:36,233
And let's go redesign where route 66 goes.

2731
02:26:36,233 --> 02:26:39,325
So we are going to try and put that together so that it

2732
02:26:39,325 --> 02:26:41,510
makes better use of the train.

2733
02:26:41,510 --> 02:26:43,950
That is what I've been doing.

2734
02:26:43,950 --> 02:26:44,725
Thank you.

2735
02:26:44,725 --> 02:26:47,725
>> Council members salmon or Welch?

2736
02:26:48,525 --> 02:26:52,138
On your appointee to the Water Advisory Commission

2737
02:26:52,138 --> 02:26:55,685
which oversees Sonoma Water and the TAC.

2738
02:26:55,685 --> 02:26:57,605
We met.

2739
02:26:57,605 --> 02:27:02,700
Water at Lake Sonoma is going to be fine this year.

2740
02:27:02,700 --> 02:27:09,300
The Corps will give up the control of the creek flow

2741
02:27:11,157 --> 02:27:14,333
because it is at a point.

2742
02:27:14,333 --> 02:27:15,875
Lake Mendocino is a little different.

2743
02:27:15,875 --> 02:27:21,870
The big question that's always there is the Carter Valley issue

2744
02:27:21,870 --> 02:27:22,528
with --

2745
02:27:22,528 --> 02:27:27,475
I think it is called ARISI, the group that

2746
02:27:27,475 --> 02:27:32,509
is in charge of looking at removal of the dams the two

2747
02:27:32,509 --> 02:27:37,909
dams, and the construction of a diversion type facility

2748
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:41,720
where the second dam is.

2749
02:27:42,637 --> 02:27:45,570
So that would still funnel water through the tunnel

2750
02:27:45,570 --> 02:27:46,925
into Lake Mendocino.

2751
02:27:46,925 --> 02:27:51,119
But I think it is something that we probably need

2752
02:27:51,119 --> 02:27:54,697
to talk about at some point.

2753
02:27:54,697 --> 02:27:58,500
Cloverdale has had quite a discussion about it.

2754
02:27:58,500 --> 02:28:05,205
Is the state of California going to get rid of Lake Pillsbury?

2755
02:28:06,557 --> 02:28:07,409
>> Okay.

2756
02:28:07,409 --> 02:28:11,925
Item 15.2, Council members request for future agenda items.

2757
02:28:11,925 --> 02:28:16,615
Seeing none, I will go ahead and adjourn the meeting.

2758
02:28:16,615 --> 02:28:18,405
Thank you everybody.

2759
02:28:18,405 --> 02:28:20,405
>> Thank you, mayor.