1 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,606 >> Thank you for standing up. 2 00:01:07,606 --> 00:01:08,686 Okay. 3 00:01:08,686 --> 00:01:11,860 So Spanish translation available. 4 00:01:12,936 --> 00:01:18,336 And town clerk, will you please take roll call? 5 00:01:20,526 --> 00:01:21,959 >> Thank you vice mayor. 6 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:22,966 Yes. 7 00:01:22,966 --> 00:01:24,966 Council member salmon? 8 00:01:26,566 --> 00:01:28,566 Council member leap? 9 00:01:29,460 --> 00:01:33,846 Council member Wahl? (inaudible) mayor is currently absent. 10 00:01:44,326 --> 00:01:47,326 Do planning Commission roll call. 11 00:01:49,778 --> 00:01:51,778 [calling roll] 12 00:02:01,494 --> 00:02:02,156 >> Thank you. 13 00:02:02,156 --> 00:02:07,556 Next we will move to the Pledge of Allegiance. 14 00:02:10,813 --> 00:02:13,105 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 15 00:02:13,105 --> 00:02:17,959 of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation 16 00:02:17,959 --> 00:02:21,559 under God indivisible with liberty -- 17 00:02:22,539 --> 00:02:27,467 we are moving on to agenda item number five, 18 00:02:27,467 --> 00:02:29,867 conflict of interest declarations. 19 00:02:30,565 --> 00:02:33,839 Any conflict of interest to declare? 20 00:02:33,839 --> 00:02:38,639 She is excusing herself due to the -- 21 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:41,799 residence and anyone from the Planning Commission have 22 00:02:41,799 --> 00:02:44,325 a conflict of interest to declare? 23 00:02:44,325 --> 00:02:44,912 Okay. 24 00:02:44,912 --> 00:02:51,512 We are going to be holding public comment after we have 25 00:02:51,613 --> 00:02:55,115 our -- and only comments -- 26 00:02:55,115 --> 00:02:56,299 I'll read that afterwards. 27 00:02:56,299 --> 00:02:58,315 We're going to handle public comment 28 00:02:58,315 --> 00:03:01,532 after we do the stationary and plan updates. 29 00:03:01,532 --> 00:03:06,765 We'll go to item 7.1 and I will ask -- 30 00:03:06,765 --> 00:03:11,308 Ask Community Director to please introduce and give 31 00:03:11,308 --> 00:03:13,308 the presentation. 32 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,280 >> Thank you Vice mayor. (inaudible) 33 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,443 >> Thank you vice Mayor and members of the Council 34 00:03:29,443 --> 00:03:31,680 and members of the Planning Commission. 35 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,659 Director and we are here today for a special joint meeting 36 00:03:35,659 --> 00:03:41,590 to have a workshop session on the area plan 37 00:03:41,769 --> 00:03:44,147 update for the town of Windsor. 38 00:03:44,147 --> 00:03:48,459 We already have a stationary plan and this is a grant funded 39 00:03:48,459 --> 00:03:53,899 initiative to bring -- it's a grant provided by MTC 40 00:03:53,899 --> 00:03:58,361 governments for the cities in the Bay area. 41 00:03:58,361 --> 00:04:02,329 It's kind of a regional planning agency. 42 00:04:02,329 --> 00:04:08,139 They have a new transit oriented communities and this grant 43 00:04:08,139 --> 00:04:13,279 funding -- our stationary plan, mind with those transit oriented 44 00:04:13,279 --> 00:04:15,279 communities. 45 00:04:15,939 --> 00:04:19,190 There's no action associated with this item. 46 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:20,979 This is just informational session 47 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:23,647 where we can describe the plan and the update 48 00:04:23,647 --> 00:04:25,239 and get feedback from our decision 49 00:04:25,239 --> 00:04:27,369 makers and the community. 50 00:04:27,369 --> 00:04:32,769 That said, there's not a specific parcel or project 51 00:04:33,609 --> 00:04:35,289 that is under consideration. 52 00:04:35,289 --> 00:04:38,539 This is the entirety of the station area. 53 00:04:38,539 --> 00:04:41,329 Not the stationary plan which I've heard several times 54 00:04:41,329 --> 00:04:41,829 mentioned. 55 00:04:41,829 --> 00:04:46,899 It's the station area which is essentially walking distance -- 56 00:04:46,899 --> 00:04:51,587 the smart station so it's generally about a half mile 57 00:04:51,587 --> 00:04:54,587 radius around that transit hub. 58 00:04:56,259 --> 00:05:00,459 And so we've got to the maps. 59 00:05:01,299 --> 00:05:04,527 This is an example -- this is what the current boundaries are 60 00:05:04,527 --> 00:05:05,600 of the station area. 61 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,179 One of the things we're considering as part of this 62 00:05:08,179 --> 00:05:12,379 update are these boundaries -- (inaudible) downtown 63 00:05:14,109 --> 00:05:15,590 for Windsor. 64 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:18,795 We've got some good feedback so far 65 00:05:18,795 --> 00:05:22,790 and we encourage you to continue sharing your thoughts on what 66 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:25,299 the station area actually looks like geographically. 67 00:05:25,299 --> 00:05:29,225 It's a visioning document and so these are our long range goals. 68 00:05:29,225 --> 00:05:31,559 Part of the project is to determine 69 00:05:31,559 --> 00:05:33,959 what's our existing conditions. 70 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:37,187 What's in the original plan and what's working? 71 00:05:37,187 --> 00:05:38,715 What needs to be revised? 72 00:05:38,715 --> 00:05:42,219 One of the elements that I point to 73 00:05:42,219 --> 00:05:47,550 often is an over of office space and at the original time 74 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:51,590 downtowns were a great place to have lots of office floor area. 75 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:54,385 That's not the environment now so we need to bring this plan up 76 00:05:54,385 --> 00:05:56,939 to date and reflect what actually 77 00:05:56,939 --> 00:05:59,711 are the conditions and more importantly, what 78 00:05:59,711 --> 00:06:03,384 do we want Windsor to look like in the coming decades. 79 00:06:03,384 --> 00:06:06,635 It is a decades long plan we're working on here. 80 00:06:06,635 --> 00:06:08,360 Not to say it's set in stone. 81 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,192 It could be amended over time as new information presents itself 82 00:06:11,192 --> 00:06:13,325 but we have a great opportunity to open it 83 00:06:13,325 --> 00:06:17,807 up and take a look at what's working and what we want to see. 84 00:06:17,807 --> 00:06:22,627 I think with that we'll go to our next slide, which 85 00:06:22,627 --> 00:06:26,227 talks about that original plan itself. 86 00:06:26,515 --> 00:06:30,139 I will take this opportunity to introduce Kate. 87 00:06:30,139 --> 00:06:35,270 Juice with Perkins Eastman, a planning consultant firm working 88 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:39,827 with the town that's working with this project. 89 00:06:41,425 --> 00:06:43,425 >> (inaudible) 90 00:06:54,731 --> 00:06:54,734 >> Hi everyone. 91 00:06:54,734 --> 00:06:55,651 Nice to see you again. 92 00:06:55,651 --> 00:06:58,963 My name is Kate and I'm a planner and urban designer. 93 00:06:58,963 --> 00:07:02,931 I have been working in the transit land 94 00:07:02,931 --> 00:07:05,315 use integration space my entire career, 95 00:07:05,315 --> 00:07:07,995 which is now about 20 years. 96 00:07:07,995 --> 00:07:11,845 So today I'm going to walk you through the scope 97 00:07:11,845 --> 00:07:16,316 of the stationary plan, why we are doing it now. 98 00:07:16,316 --> 00:07:18,351 I'll put some questions out there 99 00:07:18,351 --> 00:07:20,327 for you all to think about and also 100 00:07:20,327 --> 00:07:23,289 just do a little bit of onboarding and making 101 00:07:23,289 --> 00:07:28,689 sure everyone understands what the TOD concepts are about. 102 00:07:29,707 --> 00:07:30,779 That's the slide here. 103 00:07:30,779 --> 00:07:34,979 I like this because it really helps us think about how, 104 00:07:34,979 --> 00:07:38,307 and station areas or transit and land use type 105 00:07:38,307 --> 00:07:41,731 places where you have access to rapid transit, 106 00:07:41,731 --> 00:07:43,523 you can make some different choices 107 00:07:43,523 --> 00:07:45,219 than you would in other places. 108 00:07:45,219 --> 00:07:46,899 That's pretty common sense. 109 00:07:46,899 --> 00:07:50,852 But actually there's lots of statistics that prove that out. 110 00:07:50,852 --> 00:07:54,224 This here is this idea of thinking about feet first, 111 00:07:54,224 --> 00:07:56,503 as we do our land use and circulation 112 00:07:56,503 --> 00:07:58,204 plans and the stationary plan. 113 00:07:58,204 --> 00:08:00,325 You're already starting from a great baseline. 114 00:08:00,325 --> 00:08:05,651 This slide -- it gets you in the mindset of how we make choices 115 00:08:05,651 --> 00:08:11,523 depending on where we live and what that place is like. 116 00:08:11,523 --> 00:08:16,487 Starting around the 1:00, it's thinking about diversity of land 117 00:08:16,487 --> 00:08:16,987 uses. 118 00:08:16,987 --> 00:08:18,904 You already have that in your stationary plan. 119 00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:21,859 You have a lot of mixed use land use zoning. 120 00:08:21,859 --> 00:08:23,699 What does that mean? 121 00:08:23,699 --> 00:08:25,619 You choose to stay in your neighborhood. 122 00:08:25,619 --> 00:08:30,539 The next one around the 3:00 is I enjoy small blocks, 123 00:08:30,539 --> 00:08:33,759 safe crossings common things to see, shade and benches. 124 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:35,720 That's design quality. 125 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,659 Moving around clockwise, this notion of density -- 126 00:08:38,659 --> 00:08:42,590 why do we care about density in these places? 127 00:08:42,590 --> 00:08:44,791 We have a lot of different people in our community 128 00:08:44,791 --> 00:08:45,883 we're trying to support. 129 00:08:45,883 --> 00:08:47,959 That's the diversity of housing. 130 00:08:47,959 --> 00:08:49,940 You might have smaller apartments 131 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:51,523 and you might have students or seniors 132 00:08:51,523 --> 00:08:55,101 come of people who want to live in a studio without a car. 133 00:08:55,101 --> 00:08:57,606 We know about a third of the U.S. 134 00:08:57,606 --> 00:08:59,439 Population doesn't have access to a vehicle, 135 00:08:59,439 --> 00:09:03,639 which is something that and moving around, 136 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:07,123 demand management -- 137 00:09:07,123 --> 00:09:09,851 and idea of making driving or thinking about how driving 138 00:09:09,851 --> 00:09:13,387 is actually a less convenient mobility choice than walking. 139 00:09:13,387 --> 00:09:15,539 We have distance to transit and that's 140 00:09:15,539 --> 00:09:19,379 a quick walk or ride to a station and lastly, destination 141 00:09:19,379 --> 00:09:20,699 accessibility. 142 00:09:20,699 --> 00:09:23,123 That's this notion of hey comments right here. 143 00:09:23,123 --> 00:09:24,899 I don't have to drive. 144 00:09:24,899 --> 00:09:27,590 These are conditions we think about when we 145 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:28,544 are doing stationary planning. 146 00:09:28,544 --> 00:09:32,357 The next slide, as we already mentioned, 147 00:09:32,357 --> 00:09:37,390 you have a 2013 stationary plan and this is the zoning from it. 148 00:09:37,390 --> 00:09:40,299 If you're not familiar, the purple area 149 00:09:40,299 --> 00:09:44,449 is your most mixed use town center. 150 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:48,649 There's various overlays that emphasize different uses 151 00:09:48,779 --> 00:09:51,179 throughout the stationary plan. 152 00:09:51,332 --> 00:09:55,589 There was a focus when this was done 153 00:09:55,589 --> 00:09:59,110 on more compact and walkable types of development which 154 00:09:59,110 --> 00:10:00,323 is great. 155 00:10:00,323 --> 00:10:03,419 We also know, and you all hear -- 156 00:10:03,419 --> 00:10:06,715 some of these bigger sites com the key sites still 157 00:10:06,715 --> 00:10:08,565 haven't developed 15 years on. 158 00:10:08,565 --> 00:10:10,915 We want to question why. 159 00:10:10,915 --> 00:10:14,239 The next slide is the circulation side. 160 00:10:14,239 --> 00:10:16,552 We'll talk about both of these -- 161 00:10:16,552 --> 00:10:18,219 the land use and design and circulation. 162 00:10:18,219 --> 00:10:21,796 We'll think about those more as a pair. 163 00:10:21,796 --> 00:10:24,169 This is your circulation plan. 164 00:10:24,169 --> 00:10:25,652 It's been a while. 165 00:10:25,652 --> 00:10:27,832 This listed out a whole bunch of different projects 166 00:10:27,832 --> 00:10:30,779 that were top of mind at the time. 167 00:10:30,779 --> 00:10:34,499 Remember, this is before the train station opened. 168 00:10:34,499 --> 00:10:36,179 It's way back. 169 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:39,156 I think 2011 is when you did most of the work 170 00:10:39,156 --> 00:10:42,799 and it was adopted in 2013 and adopted in 2012 171 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:44,799 and amended in 2013. 172 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:48,299 So we now know more and now we're 173 00:10:48,299 --> 00:10:50,885 thinking about the next extension. 174 00:10:50,885 --> 00:10:54,899 The Healdsburg extension of the smart train. 175 00:10:54,899 --> 00:10:57,412 Some projects listed in the old plan are already done 176 00:10:57,412 --> 00:10:59,919 or you've already funded them or they are underway. 177 00:10:59,919 --> 00:11:04,912 One of the things that it did -- for you all to think about this 178 00:11:04,912 --> 00:11:08,291 next round is it really identified the old Redwood 179 00:11:08,291 --> 00:11:12,750 Highway and Pedestrianization and that went through a whole 180 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:15,143 planning process and instigated some of the other plans that 181 00:11:15,143 --> 00:11:16,979 you've done in the interim period. 182 00:11:16,979 --> 00:11:20,990 That's one of the things stationary plans are good at. 183 00:11:20,990 --> 00:11:23,750 They can identify the overall emphasis or priority 184 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:26,139 that the town wants to see and there's 185 00:11:26,139 --> 00:11:28,931 a series of implementation actions or plans 186 00:11:28,931 --> 00:11:32,550 that emerge from this plan, if that makes sense. 187 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:37,809 So I did a review of the guiding principles 188 00:11:37,809 --> 00:11:40,190 and these are in the document. 189 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:42,205 This is a reminder. 190 00:11:42,205 --> 00:11:44,659 You have them in your packet. 191 00:11:44,659 --> 00:11:47,747 I called out in blue some of those elements that 192 00:11:47,747 --> 00:11:50,853 really spoke to me about what the plan is trying to do. 193 00:11:50,853 --> 00:11:53,648 A lot of them are really relevant. 194 00:11:53,648 --> 00:11:57,271 We're starting at a good baseline but on the side there, 195 00:11:57,271 --> 00:12:00,275 for you all to think about in our discussion as we move 196 00:12:00,275 --> 00:12:03,189 forward, it is a sense of -- 197 00:12:03,189 --> 00:12:05,672 is a downtown doing what we want it to do? 198 00:12:05,672 --> 00:12:07,419 What are the outcomes? 199 00:12:07,419 --> 00:12:10,359 What are the tools we have available to us? 200 00:12:10,359 --> 00:12:13,119 At the public sector, we can't do everything 201 00:12:13,119 --> 00:12:18,179 but we can put in place at least visions, regulation, 202 00:12:18,179 --> 00:12:21,269 process to really help us achieve our aims. 203 00:12:21,269 --> 00:12:25,899 We can think through programs, about public realm investments. 204 00:12:25,899 --> 00:12:28,275 We can think about parking and we 205 00:12:28,275 --> 00:12:30,799 can think about multimodal and transit priority 206 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:32,799 in the downtown. 207 00:12:34,179 --> 00:12:38,979 So Patrick already went through some of this. 208 00:12:39,339 --> 00:12:42,990 I assume some of you are familiar with what's 209 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:43,719 on this slide. 210 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:45,799 I'll walk through it on a high level. 211 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:49,590 One of the reasons it's happening now 212 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:53,339 is Windsor got a grant and they got a grant from MTC. 213 00:12:53,339 --> 00:12:57,867 MTC has been working on consistency and areas 214 00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:00,631 where we are as a population, as a region making 215 00:13:00,631 --> 00:13:02,959 a lot of investment in our transit infrastructure. 216 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:05,959 So Windsor has a station. 217 00:13:06,275 --> 00:13:11,299 It's documented as a tier four emerging urban district which 218 00:13:11,299 --> 00:13:15,232 means there are certain policy measures they would 219 00:13:15,232 --> 00:13:18,339 like to see towns and cities meet, 220 00:13:18,339 --> 00:13:21,331 be consistent with those ideas. 221 00:13:21,331 --> 00:13:24,227 Windsor is already doing really well. 222 00:13:24,227 --> 00:13:27,243 You have already met many of those policies. 223 00:13:27,243 --> 00:13:31,295 There's a few areas that you could address and refine 224 00:13:31,295 --> 00:13:33,519 and what that does is it maximizes 225 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:38,211 your chance for discretionary funding between 1 and $2 million 226 00:13:38,211 --> 00:13:42,232 to do other things the town would like to see in the future. 227 00:13:42,232 --> 00:13:46,685 The other policy that's come through that MTC is working on 228 00:13:46,685 --> 00:13:50,579 is something called the transit Priority Policy for roadways 229 00:13:50,579 --> 00:13:51,619 and that's new. 230 00:13:51,619 --> 00:13:56,259 It was adopted in February of this year and all that does 231 00:13:56,259 --> 00:13:58,894 is it encourages jurisdictions, yourselves 232 00:13:58,894 --> 00:14:02,251 to be partners with your local transit agencies. 233 00:14:02,251 --> 00:14:05,771 So that is signal transit and smart. 234 00:14:05,771 --> 00:14:09,190 And the reason to do that now is because you actually 235 00:14:09,190 --> 00:14:11,827 have transit agencies rethinking their operations now 236 00:14:11,827 --> 00:14:14,169 that you have the smart train completed. 237 00:14:14,169 --> 00:14:16,329 You have the Windsor extension funded 238 00:14:16,329 --> 00:14:19,559 and they are thinking about how best to service these existing 239 00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:20,590 spots. 240 00:14:20,590 --> 00:14:21,919 They're going to already be thinking 241 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:24,755 through some operational changes and they also 242 00:14:24,755 --> 00:14:28,779 have different ways that they want to encourage you and fund 243 00:14:28,779 --> 00:14:30,672 better access to that station. 244 00:14:30,672 --> 00:14:33,387 We can have a conversation at this point 245 00:14:33,387 --> 00:14:36,859 to help recommend what the town would like to see 246 00:14:36,859 --> 00:14:40,219 and how to better collaborate with the transit agency 247 00:14:40,219 --> 00:14:40,879 partners. 248 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:44,389 On the other side, this is just documenting 249 00:14:44,389 --> 00:14:49,399 all the things that have changed in California since 2012. 250 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:51,572 I'm sure you're aware we have a housing 251 00:14:51,572 --> 00:14:53,459 crisis in the state of California 252 00:14:53,459 --> 00:14:55,765 has been active passing legislation 253 00:14:55,765 --> 00:14:58,165 to encourage new housing. 254 00:14:58,479 --> 00:15:01,679 This allows us to do some refinements 255 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,499 and update the stationary plan to your existing design 256 00:15:05,499 --> 00:15:07,689 standards that are already adopted. 257 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:10,823 They haven't been tested or used in the downtown. 258 00:15:10,823 --> 00:15:14,275 You haven't had any multifamily development actually be built 259 00:15:14,275 --> 00:15:20,500 since the odds were written and the ODS and stationary plan 260 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:21,691 design standards aren't -- 261 00:15:21,691 --> 00:15:24,749 it was never really a full reconciliation. 262 00:15:24,749 --> 00:15:28,349 This allows us to do that. 263 00:15:28,499 --> 00:15:32,990 And lastly, AB2097, another state law 264 00:15:34,300 --> 00:15:37,169 that removes parking minimums within a half mile of transit 265 00:15:37,169 --> 00:15:37,669 stations. 266 00:15:37,669 --> 00:15:41,323 This is an opportunity to relook at parking, 267 00:15:41,323 --> 00:15:44,139 think about how to implement that state law 268 00:15:44,139 --> 00:15:46,139 and introduce new management tools 269 00:15:46,139 --> 00:15:51,590 so we can see active turnover in parking spaces downtown. 270 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:54,259 So what this also does is it helps you think 271 00:15:54,259 --> 00:15:56,186 about the categories of change. 272 00:15:56,186 --> 00:16:00,386 We have the density and land use. 273 00:16:00,574 --> 00:16:03,500 We have the circulation associated 274 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,339 with transit agencies. 275 00:16:04,339 --> 00:16:06,739 And we have parking. 276 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:11,939 It's these three streams that will all work together. 277 00:16:11,939 --> 00:16:17,312 So this slide -- you can have a look at it. 278 00:16:17,312 --> 00:16:21,251 This is a report card as it were and this is how 279 00:16:21,251 --> 00:16:22,989 MTC will look at consistency. 280 00:16:22,989 --> 00:16:27,189 They're not using the term compliance anymore. 281 00:16:27,259 --> 00:16:29,867 Consistency is more of a gentle term 282 00:16:29,867 --> 00:16:32,869 as it were, because what they're trying to do 283 00:16:32,869 --> 00:16:35,599 is encourage through incentive program jurisdictions 284 00:16:35,599 --> 00:16:38,875 to pay attention to those three buckets, 285 00:16:38,875 --> 00:16:41,569 to think about how do we get more people, 286 00:16:41,569 --> 00:16:43,532 more access to transit. 287 00:16:43,532 --> 00:16:48,443 So we did an early scan of Windsor's ability 288 00:16:48,443 --> 00:16:52,432 to be consistent and again, you guys 289 00:16:52,432 --> 00:16:55,319 are doing well with the existing stationary plan 290 00:16:55,319 --> 00:16:59,747 and we see without a huge overhaul of the stationary plan, 291 00:16:59,747 --> 00:17:02,739 you would be consistent in each of these different categories 292 00:17:02,739 --> 00:17:05,739 and we are seeking 88 points. 293 00:17:06,299 --> 00:17:09,739 To win consistency you need a minimum of 85 points. 294 00:17:09,739 --> 00:17:10,989 This is good. 295 00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:14,459 I actually just did a project in Fairfield 296 00:17:14,459 --> 00:17:16,352 to give you an example of. 297 00:17:16,352 --> 00:17:17,771 They did not comply. 298 00:17:17,771 --> 00:17:20,323 It was very difficult to get there 299 00:17:20,323 --> 00:17:23,300 but ultimately it wasn't going to work 300 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:24,679 for a variety of different reasons. 301 00:17:24,679 --> 00:17:27,430 Windsor is in a different situation, 302 00:17:27,430 --> 00:17:30,617 so just so you know, this is going to be a different exercise 303 00:17:30,617 --> 00:17:32,869 and it is going to be a different exercise 304 00:17:32,869 --> 00:17:34,590 for every jurisdiction. 305 00:17:34,590 --> 00:17:36,979 I think Petaluma is working on this right now. 306 00:17:36,979 --> 00:17:39,363 There's a variety of different grants going out 307 00:17:39,363 --> 00:17:41,505 across the nine county region. 308 00:17:41,505 --> 00:17:43,672 You're looking at a host of different jurisdictions, 309 00:17:43,672 --> 00:17:46,239 trying to address these challenges 310 00:17:46,239 --> 00:17:48,419 in their own unique ways. 311 00:17:48,419 --> 00:17:55,619 Again, whoops -- here is the TOC area the MTC is using. 312 00:18:00,369 --> 00:18:01,869 I already went through some of this. 313 00:18:01,869 --> 00:18:06,590 This is about coordinating with smart and the STC, 314 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:09,899 thinking through how best to make use of that. 315 00:18:09,899 --> 00:18:13,144 Here's a little map showing you and some of our information 316 00:18:13,144 --> 00:18:16,935 gathering -- we're starting to learn more about your Emily Rose 317 00:18:16,935 --> 00:18:19,959 parking lot and the existing smart parking lot 318 00:18:19,959 --> 00:18:24,892 in the roundabout and some of the changes going on. 319 00:18:24,892 --> 00:18:28,755 We've had some interview sessions with the partners 320 00:18:28,755 --> 00:18:33,179 already and we are hearing a lot of interesting collaborating -- 321 00:18:33,179 --> 00:18:36,153 we're hearing a lot from folks that they just want to make -- 322 00:18:36,153 --> 00:18:39,513 to optimize the lot to make it clear about how to get 323 00:18:39,513 --> 00:18:43,825 to downtown, thinking through bike access and multimodal 324 00:18:43,825 --> 00:18:44,325 access. 325 00:18:44,325 --> 00:18:49,719 There's a lot we can do to be thinking through how to optimize 326 00:18:49,719 --> 00:18:51,779 this location right here. 327 00:18:51,779 --> 00:18:57,667 And the next slide is looking at the parking consistency. 328 00:18:57,667 --> 00:18:59,507 As you remember on the report card 329 00:18:59,507 --> 00:19:03,653 there was the parking area or the parking work stream 330 00:19:03,653 --> 00:19:04,956 as it were. 331 00:19:04,956 --> 00:19:09,173 So here we are working through how do we return and make 332 00:19:09,173 --> 00:19:12,792 use of some of the work that Windsor has already done. 333 00:19:12,792 --> 00:19:15,405 I don't know if this group is aware 334 00:19:15,405 --> 00:19:17,855 but you have a parking recommendation study 335 00:19:17,855 --> 00:19:22,499 done in 2020 and that was done by some consultants and also 336 00:19:22,499 --> 00:19:26,285 Nygaard, who came in before the station opened and gave you 337 00:19:26,285 --> 00:19:29,689 a host of different choices and policy recommendations of how 338 00:19:29,689 --> 00:19:32,834 to manage parking downtown once the station opened. 339 00:19:32,834 --> 00:19:36,990 Some of those recommendations have been implemented and some 340 00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:36,599 haven't. 341 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:39,819 This is an opportunity to revisit that 342 00:19:39,819 --> 00:19:43,219 and our work scope does include more data collections, 343 00:19:43,219 --> 00:19:45,632 specifically at the Emily Rose lot, where 344 00:19:45,632 --> 00:19:50,432 we can get better information on who is using the lot, how often, 345 00:19:50,432 --> 00:19:53,569 looking at ridership and projections and the smart train 346 00:19:53,569 --> 00:19:56,139 as well as using some of the best practices that 347 00:19:56,139 --> 00:20:00,939 are coming through both MTC and Sonoma County 348 00:20:01,109 --> 00:20:06,283 climate and Transit Authority on how to better manage parking. 349 00:20:06,283 --> 00:20:10,872 On this slide there's a list of the different potential 350 00:20:10,872 --> 00:20:14,211 strategies that might be included during the process 351 00:20:14,211 --> 00:20:19,301 and these are things will prefer express with your team and staff 352 00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:21,259 and we'll be able to give you more information. 353 00:20:21,259 --> 00:20:25,492 Probably of the four different categories with MTC, 354 00:20:25,492 --> 00:20:33,292 parking has some of the most -- we can make more changes there 355 00:20:34,201 --> 00:20:38,240 because of AB2097 and because we could update your ordinance 356 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,707 as well as introduce some minor shifts to how you calculate 357 00:20:42,707 --> 00:20:44,799 shared parking and transportation demand 358 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:46,799 management. 359 00:20:47,739 --> 00:20:51,339 And lastly, towns are not static. 360 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:54,139 You've done a lot of work since 2012. 361 00:20:54,139 --> 00:20:57,189 This gives an opportunity to update and coordinate 362 00:20:57,189 --> 00:21:00,239 the stationary plan with a lot of these plans that have already 363 00:21:00,239 --> 00:21:00,739 happened. 364 00:21:00,739 --> 00:21:04,835 The general plan for example got updated in the interim. 365 00:21:04,835 --> 00:21:06,879 You've got the Complete Streets policy 366 00:21:06,879 --> 00:21:10,283 that's currently being updated, the Vision Zero Action Plan. 367 00:21:10,283 --> 00:21:12,959 This is best practices happening now. 368 00:21:12,959 --> 00:21:14,955 You have the active transportation plan 369 00:21:14,955 --> 00:21:18,399 that was just updated this past year. 370 00:21:18,399 --> 00:21:20,571 Connecting central Windsor plan -- 371 00:21:20,571 --> 00:21:25,539 which is over of 101 and the upgrades to Windsor River road 372 00:21:25,539 --> 00:21:27,852 -- the old highway implementation where we are now, 373 00:21:27,852 --> 00:21:30,235 wherever you want to go with that. 374 00:21:30,235 --> 00:21:34,179 And the economic Development Strategic plan -- 375 00:21:34,179 --> 00:21:38,219 updated resilient water and -- that are now coming to bear 376 00:21:38,219 --> 00:21:41,219 and again, the design standards. 377 00:21:41,547 --> 00:21:47,551 With that I'm going to pause and see if anyone has questions. 378 00:21:47,551 --> 00:21:52,351 Go ahead. >>With AB2097 is talking about parking 379 00:21:55,265 --> 00:21:58,451 and transit locations, is transit location defined 380 00:21:58,451 --> 00:22:01,721 in terms of one bus stop -- 381 00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:05,279 >> Can you use the microphone please? 382 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:09,823 So the audience -- >> The question was about clarification 383 00:22:09,823 --> 00:22:14,795 on AB2097 the definition of a transit location because I 384 00:22:14,795 --> 00:22:17,579 imagine the systems or train systems that are small 385 00:22:17,579 --> 00:22:23,355 don't have the same requirements and Windsor is still -- 386 00:22:23,355 --> 00:22:28,979 between smart and SAT, it doesn't seem to make sense that 387 00:22:28,979 --> 00:22:31,869 we would have the same parking standards as the bigger 388 00:22:31,869 --> 00:22:36,690 municipalities or other more developed transit -- 389 00:22:36,379 --> 00:22:41,859 similar to MTC, it's a tiered approach and only applicable 390 00:22:41,859 --> 00:22:44,639 to the half mile around your existing station. 391 00:22:44,639 --> 00:22:47,639 Bus stations are not included. 392 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,879 >> The train station just being present, 393 00:22:49,879 --> 00:22:54,990 regardless of ridership, is considered a transit location, 394 00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:57,239 the same as a Bart station? 395 00:22:57,239 --> 00:23:00,239 It's a tiered approach. (inaudible) 396 00:23:59,908 --> 00:24:00,268 >> No minimum parking requirements. 397 00:24:00,268 --> 00:24:02,179 Yeah, you can still have maximums 398 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:05,899 or you can have market based standards. 399 00:24:05,899 --> 00:24:07,899 There are exceptions. 400 00:24:08,299 --> 00:24:09,159 >> No minimum? 401 00:24:09,159 --> 00:24:12,205 Does that mean you don't have to have a parking space for each -- 402 00:24:12,205 --> 00:24:14,205 >> Correct. 403 00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:19,139 >> That's the same for tier 4. 404 00:24:21,991 --> 00:24:23,699 And the location we're working with, yes. 405 00:24:23,699 --> 00:24:27,311 One of the things to think through 406 00:24:27,311 --> 00:24:31,510 is no developer wants to build a unit that's not marketable. 407 00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:34,651 This tries to move more towards a market based standards 408 00:24:34,651 --> 00:24:40,510 and like I said, there's -- the rule in 2097. 409 00:24:40,339 --> 00:24:43,619 It's not something that is across the board for every 410 00:24:43,619 --> 00:24:46,619 single -- you've already implemented 2097. 411 00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:52,350 In the town of Windsor. 412 00:24:52,314 --> 00:24:53,856 What we're going to do is refine that 413 00:24:53,856 --> 00:25:01,656 and make sure the codes are up to date with the best practice. 414 00:25:11,202 --> 00:25:13,827 >> So the way consultants work, is first things we try to do is 415 00:25:13,827 --> 00:25:15,826 understand what problem we are trying to solve. 416 00:25:15,826 --> 00:25:19,426 We try to learn as much as we can about your town 417 00:25:19,426 --> 00:25:23,494 and about your challenges and also about your opportunities. 418 00:25:23,494 --> 00:25:29,494 We got started this spring, I think in April, March. 419 00:25:30,259 --> 00:25:34,912 And we really started to do what we call information gathering. 420 00:25:34,912 --> 00:25:37,547 When we do that we talk one on one. 421 00:25:37,547 --> 00:25:40,539 We do small group workshops and talk to your group 422 00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,619 and go on tours. 423 00:25:42,619 --> 00:25:46,387 We do our micro scan and look at your buyer ship. 424 00:25:46,387 --> 00:25:48,805 We collect all the information and that's 425 00:25:48,805 --> 00:25:50,779 what we are doing right now. 426 00:25:50,779 --> 00:25:53,999 One of the things we did when we started out 427 00:25:53,999 --> 00:25:58,790 was this walk audit where we had about 25 residents and some 428 00:25:58,790 --> 00:26:01,285 of you here today come up we developed a route 429 00:26:01,285 --> 00:26:05,899 and we did really a human scale look at what it's 430 00:26:05,899 --> 00:26:09,359 like to walk to and from the station on a variety of routes. 431 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,227 And that's really about experiencing life 432 00:26:12,227 --> 00:26:14,139 at a walking pace. 433 00:26:14,139 --> 00:26:17,272 And thinking about small scale interventions, 434 00:26:17,272 --> 00:26:20,699 like benches and shade and accessibility, 435 00:26:20,699 --> 00:26:23,209 where crosswalks are and where they aren't. 436 00:26:23,209 --> 00:26:26,419 What's been included in the act transportation plan 437 00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:27,956 and what hasn't been. 438 00:26:27,956 --> 00:26:30,283 A lot of what we talked about there, 439 00:26:30,283 --> 00:26:32,499 and there were a lot of themes that emerged, 440 00:26:32,499 --> 00:26:36,990 was about signage and wayfinding, accessibility 441 00:26:36,419 --> 00:26:41,387 and trying to show the world how it is that they can access 442 00:26:41,387 --> 00:26:43,819 the best parts of Windsor from the station, 443 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:46,388 and thinking about engagement and activation 444 00:26:46,388 --> 00:26:48,112 of the public realm. 445 00:26:48,112 --> 00:26:51,483 You can see here we've done a little bit of analysis 446 00:26:51,483 --> 00:26:53,792 on the findings and all the comments 447 00:26:53,792 --> 00:26:57,719 and you can see that generally it's very positive. 448 00:26:57,719 --> 00:26:59,211 That's the green. 449 00:26:59,211 --> 00:27:01,971 And where there's some marginal negative, 450 00:27:01,971 --> 00:27:05,215 that is on the location of amenities. 451 00:27:05,215 --> 00:27:08,579 So really, this notion you'll hear a fair amount from me 452 00:27:08,579 --> 00:27:10,797 tonight is this idea of activation. 453 00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:15,533 Like I said, we are in the process 454 00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:16,885 of information gathering. 455 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,970 One of the things we're trying to do a better job at 456 00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:23,535 is broaden the number of people we talk 457 00:27:23,535 --> 00:27:25,904 to during planning exercises. 458 00:27:25,904 --> 00:27:27,763 You all are here. 459 00:27:27,763 --> 00:27:30,427 You're invited and your decision makers. 460 00:27:30,427 --> 00:27:33,651 We also want to be engaging with the broader population 461 00:27:33,651 --> 00:27:35,485 and as you know that can be difficult. 462 00:27:35,485 --> 00:27:40,607 One of the things we are trying out, and staff has been great, 463 00:27:40,607 --> 00:27:43,365 is something we are calling intercept surveys. 464 00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:45,801 Maybe you've seen some of these around. 465 00:27:45,801 --> 00:27:47,429 They are short questionnaires that 466 00:27:47,429 --> 00:27:50,744 ask simple questions to try to get people engaged, 467 00:27:50,744 --> 00:27:54,299 to give us their first take on downtown. 468 00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:56,779 That can help us broaden our reach. 469 00:27:56,779 --> 00:28:02,779 It can also educate people that the SAP is happening 470 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:06,699 and what it is and give it a temperature check of how people 471 00:28:06,699 --> 00:28:08,411 are feeling about downtown. 472 00:28:08,411 --> 00:28:11,899 We have about 160 responses so far 473 00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:16,195 and this intercept survey will be out through September 474 00:28:16,195 --> 00:28:19,825 and we'll be able to add to that every time we 475 00:28:19,825 --> 00:28:21,509 get a new batch of information. 476 00:28:21,509 --> 00:28:25,120 Staff has been great in taking those out. 477 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,595 Maybe some of you here want to help us 478 00:28:26,595 --> 00:28:29,579 with The intercept survey over the next month, 479 00:28:29,579 --> 00:28:30,979 because it's a great time. 480 00:28:30,979 --> 00:28:33,590 We have lots of events in Windsor 481 00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:36,418 to start to see how people are feeling about it. 482 00:28:36,418 --> 00:28:40,165 Some of the basic questions we have -- 483 00:28:40,165 --> 00:28:43,179 we've been asking basic demographics, age of residents, 484 00:28:43,179 --> 00:28:46,824 how they got to where they are. 485 00:28:46,824 --> 00:28:50,251 You can see in the pie charts for the first 160 486 00:28:50,251 --> 00:28:53,187 and how welcoming and engaging does downtown 487 00:28:53,187 --> 00:28:55,291 feel to you right now. 488 00:28:55,291 --> 00:28:58,325 Good news, generally people are pretty positive. 489 00:28:58,325 --> 00:29:03,125 On a scale of 1 to 5 it is average, 4.56. 490 00:29:04,809 --> 00:29:08,458 We also made a fun word cloud that I 491 00:29:08,458 --> 00:29:11,839 think is representative of a lot of comments 492 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,945 and maybe some of the thoughts you have 493 00:29:14,945 --> 00:29:16,805 while you're looking at it. 494 00:29:16,805 --> 00:29:22,859 You can see ice cream a lot and restaurants and social summer, 495 00:29:22,859 --> 00:29:28,956 green Baskin-Robbins -- so I think this can help us -- 496 00:29:28,956 --> 00:29:33,169 we'll see how this changes over time as we get more. 497 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:35,539 And right now there's senior activities 498 00:29:35,539 --> 00:29:37,663 and some other social events where they 499 00:29:37,663 --> 00:29:38,830 were asking these questions. 500 00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:41,685 This is a good way to do a temperature check 501 00:29:41,685 --> 00:29:46,259 and we have the full comments as well made available. 502 00:29:46,259 --> 00:29:48,919 >> I believe we have some intercept surveys here tonight 503 00:29:48,919 --> 00:29:51,390 too if you want to fill that out. 504 00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:53,439 >> Go fill them out. 505 00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:57,293 >> We are trying to categorize them based on -- 506 00:29:57,293 --> 00:30:00,875 we ask one question of like what would be the one thing you would 507 00:30:00,875 --> 00:30:05,299 want to see to improve downtown, and this slide shows you those 508 00:30:05,299 --> 00:30:06,912 early answers. 509 00:30:06,912 --> 00:30:11,712 The top here is new and extended uses. 510 00:30:12,219 --> 00:30:15,571 So longer hours, more variety of activities, 511 00:30:15,571 --> 00:30:19,771 and we have a public realm upgrades. 512 00:30:20,851 --> 00:30:23,519 And not everybody is responding. 513 00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:25,320 You can see that one. 514 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,219 No response. 515 00:30:26,219 --> 00:30:29,752 We have some others that are Uncategorizable 516 00:30:29,752 --> 00:30:32,152 and some mobility improvements. 517 00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:35,259 This will change over time. 518 00:30:35,315 --> 00:30:37,672 It's pretty interesting place to start. 519 00:30:37,672 --> 00:30:44,256 The other thing we did was we did hold an informal discussion 520 00:30:44,256 --> 00:30:46,423 on July 20th, 2.5 hours. 521 00:30:46,423 --> 00:30:49,790 Most people stayed for all 2.5 hours. 522 00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:51,832 I think people had a good time. 523 00:30:51,832 --> 00:30:54,190 The purpose of that meeting was to review 524 00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:59,419 what is a SAP, what are we doing, asking 525 00:31:00,964 --> 00:31:03,489 key questions about downtown, those themes we talked about, 526 00:31:03,489 --> 00:31:06,447 that activation density and land use theme and then 527 00:31:06,447 --> 00:31:09,519 the circulation parking and transportation theme. 528 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:13,123 So we got people thinking about both of those 529 00:31:13,123 --> 00:31:14,523 and collected those comments. 530 00:31:14,523 --> 00:31:17,449 We had about 40 or 50 attendees. 531 00:31:17,449 --> 00:31:23,549 And at the end we tried to ask a question about people's top 532 00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:26,899 priority, top project for Windsor and again, 533 00:31:26,899 --> 00:31:31,219 here you can see focusing on a kind of -- 534 00:31:31,219 --> 00:31:36,619 oops -- activation with live music and entertainment winning 535 00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:42,499 out over the bookstore/bar. 536 00:31:45,938 --> 00:31:49,538 So this was a fun exercise. 537 00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:53,795 Obviously not everybody was able to participate 538 00:31:53,795 --> 00:31:55,751 but lots of commonalities. 539 00:31:55,751 --> 00:32:01,685 One of the things we like to do as we get started with a project 540 00:32:01,685 --> 00:32:05,131 is look at other places and try to get some inspiration 541 00:32:05,131 --> 00:32:08,615 and see how you guys respond to those things. 542 00:32:08,615 --> 00:32:11,609 The next set of slides goes through lessons 543 00:32:11,609 --> 00:32:13,833 from other places that we think are 544 00:32:13,833 --> 00:32:15,583 exciting or interesting common things that 545 00:32:15,583 --> 00:32:21,491 might be relevant to think about as we move forward with the SAP. 546 00:32:21,491 --> 00:32:24,483 Another piece that I want to do some baseline with the group 547 00:32:24,483 --> 00:32:28,611 here is thinking about this slide, which 548 00:32:28,611 --> 00:32:31,452 I shared at the community workshop as a way 549 00:32:31,452 --> 00:32:35,992 to kind of think about the purpose of a downtown. 550 00:32:35,992 --> 00:32:44,590 I think this slide helps -- it's kind of a time scale that starts 551 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:46,752 way long ago on the left and we moved into modernity 552 00:32:46,752 --> 00:32:47,899 on the right. 553 00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:51,350 And if we think about what downtowns 554 00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:54,249 were for when we originally built our cities, 555 00:32:54,249 --> 00:32:55,819 they were necessary. 556 00:32:55,819 --> 00:32:59,812 They were for trade, for meeting and for a living 557 00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:05,212 and where you essentially went for your economic activity. 558 00:33:07,499 --> 00:33:14,699 And now post COVID with cars and mobility, with COVID and work 559 00:33:15,490 --> 00:33:17,749 from home, the purpose of a downtown 560 00:33:17,749 --> 00:33:19,510 has essentially shifted. 561 00:33:19,510 --> 00:33:25,240 And we are seeing that in trends in this country and many 562 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,870 as we have to rethink how to engage 563 00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:29,703 and what is the purpose of a downtown. 564 00:33:29,703 --> 00:33:34,184 One of the things for shorthand we can call about -- 565 00:33:34,184 --> 00:33:39,990 we can call it is it went from a necessary activity 566 00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:41,416 to an optional activity. 567 00:33:41,416 --> 00:33:45,459 And that's where we want to think about downtown 568 00:33:45,459 --> 00:33:49,790 as being a place where people will 569 00:33:49,790 --> 00:33:52,259 go when the quality is high. 570 00:33:52,259 --> 00:33:56,792 We want to think of how we attract people to that downtown 571 00:33:56,792 --> 00:34:01,125 because we're actually competing with a lot of other destinations 572 00:34:01,125 --> 00:34:06,525 and with retail environments we are competing with --. 573 00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:12,547 This slide is from a professor in public realm in Copenhagen 574 00:34:12,547 --> 00:34:15,707 and he uses this when he's trying to think through 575 00:34:15,707 --> 00:34:21,190 how do we reorient downtown places away from car use, 576 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:24,619 more into public space and environments. 577 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:30,419 So I took this and then I started thinking about okay, 578 00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:34,712 well, hearing these notions about activation and downtown, 579 00:34:34,712 --> 00:34:36,653 can we think about downtown as being 580 00:34:36,653 --> 00:34:41,139 a haven, a hangout or a hub or a place for hobbies? 581 00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:47,139 And these are some images, some places that fit -- 582 00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:52,352 immersive experience and environments to where people go 583 00:34:52,352 --> 00:34:53,685 and bring their kids. 584 00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:55,951 An example of that is -- in Vegas. 585 00:34:55,951 --> 00:35:01,351 There's another one in Southern California in Palm Springs. 586 00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:06,813 There's bubble Planet, and Washington is not a large city 587 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,119 but it does have these kids environment 588 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,599 of people going and spending time and having 589 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,395 an immersive experience and there's all the things 590 00:35:15,395 --> 00:35:17,963 that happen around that place. 591 00:35:17,963 --> 00:35:21,990 These are private or nonprofit led 592 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:23,990 programs and repurposed spaces. 593 00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:25,315 On the bottom that's more of an investment 594 00:35:25,315 --> 00:35:27,409 in the quality of your public environment 595 00:35:27,409 --> 00:35:29,769 and Windsor already has a beautiful town green 596 00:35:29,769 --> 00:35:31,944 but there's more that could be done 597 00:35:31,944 --> 00:35:34,900 to activate those locations. 598 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,659 Those are public led programs and spaces, so thinking 599 00:35:37,659 --> 00:35:39,651 about your streets and park environment, 600 00:35:39,651 --> 00:35:42,539 how they operate and function, improving things 601 00:35:42,539 --> 00:35:45,691 like movable seating or shade and also art experiences. 602 00:35:45,691 --> 00:35:49,382 We heard a lot about art at our workshop, 603 00:35:49,382 --> 00:35:51,715 and thinking through how do we engage with the community 604 00:35:51,715 --> 00:35:54,925 to bring people out and let them know what Windsor is about 605 00:35:54,925 --> 00:35:57,499 and provide creative outlets even for the residents who 606 00:35:57,499 --> 00:35:58,611 live here? 607 00:35:58,611 --> 00:36:03,935 So some examples of other locations that kind of fit 608 00:36:03,935 --> 00:36:08,470 the bill, and I can run through these pretty quickly -- 609 00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:11,613 I'll show you the image of the development and then we'll do 610 00:36:11,613 --> 00:36:15,749 a scale comparison that essentially shows the place -- 611 00:36:15,749 --> 00:36:19,230 there's an outline of it -- when it's dropped just on top 612 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:19,813 of Windsor. 613 00:36:19,813 --> 00:36:23,329 So you can see what does that really mean in our environment? 614 00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:26,929 This first one is Paso Robles. 615 00:36:29,998 --> 00:36:32,498 This is called Market Walk and it's about 16,000ft² of mixed 616 00:36:32,498 --> 00:36:33,379 use. 617 00:36:33,379 --> 00:36:36,559 It was done by a private developers and there's 12 small 618 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,891 format local businesses, two anchor restaurants and a wine 619 00:36:40,891 --> 00:36:42,427 and blending -- 620 00:36:42,427 --> 00:36:45,450 bike rentals and six suites. 621 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:48,955 Not a lot of lodging but popular as well as 622 00:36:48,955 --> 00:36:51,190 seasonal events and live music. 623 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,281 Here's another image of that. 624 00:36:53,281 --> 00:36:57,199 You can see the scale and how it relates to the street. 625 00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,548 There's some adaptive for use involved. 626 00:37:00,548 --> 00:37:03,990 And one of the things that's interesting about 627 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:07,755 that one is it's actually been occupied and stable since 2020. 628 00:37:07,755 --> 00:37:13,475 So bringing in tax revenue and has been quite popular. 629 00:37:13,475 --> 00:37:15,779 This next one that's pretty interesting 630 00:37:15,779 --> 00:37:17,963 is reading Public Market. 631 00:37:17,963 --> 00:37:20,925 I'm not sure if you all are familiar. 632 00:37:20,925 --> 00:37:25,521 This one just opened in 2025 and it was a big project 633 00:37:25,521 --> 00:37:32,850 that the city of Reading used as a catalyst for their downtown 634 00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:32,759 reinvention. 635 00:37:32,759 --> 00:37:34,299 They are in a different situation 636 00:37:34,299 --> 00:37:35,899 obviously than Windsor. 637 00:37:35,899 --> 00:37:39,419 This is a downtown that was anchored by a disused wall. 638 00:37:39,419 --> 00:37:44,219 They had to get them all, then break it up 639 00:37:44,219 --> 00:37:45,399 to introduce streets. 640 00:37:45,399 --> 00:37:49,123 The way they did that was through this public investment 641 00:37:49,123 --> 00:37:52,240 of a market and affordable housing 642 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,856 which you can see on the left. 643 00:37:54,856 --> 00:37:59,163 And they were able to attract a whole bunch of external funding 644 00:37:59,163 --> 00:38:01,859 for this project, more than 30 million 645 00:38:01,859 --> 00:38:04,405 in grants to help get this done. 646 00:38:04,405 --> 00:38:07,227 It just opened this past year. 647 00:38:07,227 --> 00:38:09,699 So that's worth taking a look. 648 00:38:09,699 --> 00:38:13,259 Here's a scale comparison showing those two projects. 649 00:38:13,259 --> 00:38:20,252 You can see -- whoops -- so you can see that here. 650 00:38:20,252 --> 00:38:23,855 The Paso Robles market block, the reading public market, 651 00:38:23,855 --> 00:38:26,363 and all the way on the right is just sort of 652 00:38:26,363 --> 00:38:29,963 dropped on the McClellan hotel site. 653 00:38:32,939 --> 00:38:35,790 The next project I wanted to show 654 00:38:35,790 --> 00:38:37,319 is this one that is pretty interesting. 655 00:38:37,319 --> 00:38:40,499 It's River Street San Juan Capistrano. 656 00:38:40,499 --> 00:38:43,779 This is again a private market -- 657 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:48,900 this one kind of activates using the agricultural template, 658 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,659 so thinking about this as a rule and agricultural community, 659 00:38:52,659 --> 00:38:59,259 so it focuses on a food hall, at sit down restaurants, 660 00:38:59,562 --> 00:39:04,779 similar specialty retail but it brings in more of a parallel 661 00:39:04,779 --> 00:39:08,899 lifestyle, boutique fitness and wellness and some seasonal 662 00:39:08,899 --> 00:39:11,299 events and music events. 663 00:39:11,619 --> 00:39:16,939 And it has a sequence of adaptable, low cost buildings 664 00:39:16,939 --> 00:39:20,299 that are arrayed around a public space. 665 00:39:20,299 --> 00:39:23,899 Here's another view into that project. 666 00:39:26,123 --> 00:39:30,923 And here is a little scale of comparison. 667 00:39:31,659 --> 00:39:37,332 One more project more local that would be easy to visit -- 668 00:39:37,332 --> 00:39:40,339 not sure if folks are familiar with the barn and Sacramento. 669 00:39:40,339 --> 00:39:45,419 This is an interesting project that was really done as kind 670 00:39:45,419 --> 00:39:50,319 of a catalyst for West Sacramento and similar -- 671 00:39:50,319 --> 00:39:55,990 this was done pre-pandemic and it had some challenges during 672 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:57,300 the pandemic but it survived. 673 00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,939 It really focuses more on the iconic architecture 674 00:40:00,939 --> 00:40:02,224 that's quite small. 675 00:40:02,224 --> 00:40:08,771 You can see that it's a fully sustainable and mass timbered -- 676 00:40:08,771 --> 00:40:14,584 it is essentially like a kiosk but it's iconic and then it has 677 00:40:14,584 --> 00:40:20,619 a series of fire pits and different event space around it. 678 00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:24,219 And it's an events venue here. 679 00:40:24,459 --> 00:40:26,459 It's been quite popular. 680 00:40:26,459 --> 00:40:28,990 And Drake's is actually a brewery 681 00:40:28,990 --> 00:40:30,339 based in my town in Oakland. 682 00:40:30,339 --> 00:40:36,575 One of the things that happened here is as an anchor for a mixed 683 00:40:36,575 --> 00:40:40,129 use project that was entitled, similar to what you see here 684 00:40:40,129 --> 00:40:45,205 in Windsor, six years ago -- it's only moving forward now 685 00:40:45,205 --> 00:40:48,590 with townhouses and an apartment building. 686 00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:51,425 Windsor is in good company with some 687 00:40:51,425 --> 00:40:55,335 of the projects that get delayed as the market shifts 688 00:40:55,335 --> 00:40:59,443 and you start to see the changes happen. 689 00:40:59,443 --> 00:41:01,843 Here's the scale comparison. 690 00:41:01,875 --> 00:41:06,313 You can see the barn here on the river 691 00:41:06,313 --> 00:41:08,579 and it's a pretty small actual site 692 00:41:08,579 --> 00:41:12,499 that is just dropped on top of where we are right now. 693 00:41:12,499 --> 00:41:18,264 One more that may be familiar to some of you 694 00:41:18,264 --> 00:41:21,859 is another wine city in Paso Robles again. 695 00:41:21,859 --> 00:41:25,339 That is just the Tin City. 696 00:41:25,339 --> 00:41:27,459 This is a series of small purveyors, 697 00:41:27,459 --> 00:41:30,599 small affordable buildings that are spread 698 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:33,979 around a centralized idea, very walkable and accessible 699 00:41:33,979 --> 00:41:35,371 to the community. 700 00:41:35,371 --> 00:41:39,579 It's been very organic and its growth over time and again, 701 00:41:39,579 --> 00:41:44,859 it's about four blocks -- so you can see that there. 702 00:41:44,859 --> 00:41:47,897 And I think one of the things just to remember, 703 00:41:47,897 --> 00:41:49,939 those who haven't been reading the plan recently, 704 00:41:49,939 --> 00:41:54,779 is that you do have a series of active policies in the plan 705 00:41:54,779 --> 00:41:59,579 around mix of uses, around hospitality, engagement -- 706 00:41:59,613 --> 00:42:01,363 there's an entertainment district overlay, 707 00:42:01,363 --> 00:42:05,984 a whole host of different things directing us to think about how 708 00:42:05,984 --> 00:42:07,971 do we activate and engage? 709 00:42:07,971 --> 00:42:11,325 This is one of the policies I just pulled from the plan 710 00:42:11,325 --> 00:42:14,811 and that gives me a question of hospitality, what type 711 00:42:14,811 --> 00:42:16,579 and how much? 712 00:42:16,579 --> 00:42:21,379 And one more example for you in terms 713 00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:24,912 of the market scan and thinking about trends here in Sonoma 714 00:42:24,912 --> 00:42:27,670 is this idea of outdoor active. 715 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:30,659 I wanted to just talk about a building 716 00:42:30,659 --> 00:42:34,619 that I am friends with the person who developed it, which 717 00:42:34,619 --> 00:42:37,459 was for Brooks running shoes. 718 00:42:37,459 --> 00:42:39,259 What's interesting about this project 719 00:42:39,259 --> 00:42:44,429 is that Brooks had been located outside of the city of Seattle 720 00:42:44,429 --> 00:42:47,152 and they made a clear decision that they wanted 721 00:42:47,152 --> 00:42:50,239 to be closer to people who really run 722 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,739 and recreational runners. 723 00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:56,990 So they were the anchor tenants for this building on Stoneway 724 00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:59,354 that is near the running and biking trail in Seattle. 725 00:42:59,354 --> 00:43:03,670 They've created a whole community around running. 726 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:06,299 It's been an interesting thing to watch. 727 00:43:06,299 --> 00:43:08,803 It's similar to bike oriented development 728 00:43:08,803 --> 00:43:12,609 and it's this move in wellness and trail oriented development 729 00:43:12,609 --> 00:43:15,694 and I think there's a lot of attributes of Windsor 730 00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:20,619 that might make something like this make sense here. 731 00:43:20,619 --> 00:43:25,411 And so I'll pause and just a minutes. 732 00:43:25,411 --> 00:43:27,643 What are we doing now? 733 00:43:27,643 --> 00:43:30,809 As I mentioned, we've been collecting all this information 734 00:43:30,809 --> 00:43:34,259 and we're looking at parking, development 735 00:43:34,259 --> 00:43:38,365 pipeline, your codes, we're doing a market scan. 736 00:43:38,365 --> 00:43:41,839 And so the next steps are really about aligning 737 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:45,419 with those consistency measures but also really taking 738 00:43:45,419 --> 00:43:48,691 the time to start to creatively solve 739 00:43:48,691 --> 00:43:51,411 for some of these challenges. 740 00:43:51,411 --> 00:43:56,190 So that means we kind of end our information gathering phase 741 00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:58,291 and we enter into our options phase 742 00:43:58,291 --> 00:44:00,794 where we start to develop ideas and recommendations 743 00:44:00,794 --> 00:44:05,973 and then we bring those back out to you all probably in the end 744 00:44:05,973 --> 00:44:08,579 of the year, early next year. 745 00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:12,859 So what we'll be looking at is thinking about activation, 746 00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:15,885 thinking about specialized or experiential retail, 747 00:44:15,885 --> 00:44:18,479 thinking about different ways that we 748 00:44:18,479 --> 00:44:22,299 can make sure that the code isn't unnecessarily 749 00:44:22,299 --> 00:44:24,739 tamping down the kind of activation 750 00:44:24,739 --> 00:44:27,139 that the community wants. 751 00:44:27,554 --> 00:44:29,179 We'll be thinking about the interaction 752 00:44:29,179 --> 00:44:33,379 between your overlays, between your parking requirements, 753 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,999 administrative and discretionary controls, 754 00:44:36,149 --> 00:44:39,149 so that's that one theme. 755 00:44:41,899 --> 00:44:46,190 -- often done in parallel in a partnership with your transit 756 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:46,729 agencies. 757 00:44:46,729 --> 00:44:49,729 Both Smart and Sonoma Transit. 758 00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,659 And then this side -- (inaudible). 759 00:45:30,899 --> 00:45:33,299 Essentially through -- concept. 760 00:45:35,172 --> 00:45:39,719 And they will be as design ideas -- 761 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,899 and what we'll extract from that is we'll kind of create some 762 00:45:43,899 --> 00:45:48,839 recommendations on how we can improve things to better meet 763 00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:50,739 the town's desired outcomes. 764 00:45:50,739 --> 00:45:55,259 This is not intended to be a massive overhaul of your code. 765 00:45:55,259 --> 00:45:59,635 And it's not intended to rezone the station area. 766 00:45:59,635 --> 00:46:02,979 What really focuses on fixes and gaps. 767 00:46:02,979 --> 00:46:08,979 So essentially making sure -- the SAP are working together 768 00:46:10,954 --> 00:46:11,996 and are well coordinated. 769 00:46:11,996 --> 00:46:15,811 A lot of the shoulds and discretionary language -- 770 00:46:15,811 --> 00:46:19,211 it's no longer going to pass the state housing law. 771 00:46:19,211 --> 00:46:23,179 We want to prioritize some of the -- 772 00:46:23,179 --> 00:46:25,939 maybe widening the idea or refine the idea of what is 773 00:46:25,939 --> 00:46:27,112 active use. 774 00:46:27,112 --> 00:46:30,739 And we want to think about how to recalibrate 775 00:46:30,739 --> 00:46:34,163 to provide some flexibility, to activate and help through how 776 00:46:34,163 --> 00:46:36,299 to streamline the process. 777 00:46:36,299 --> 00:46:41,219 We will do that through testing some of these key sites, 778 00:46:41,219 --> 00:46:42,990 typical sites. 779 00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:46,299 By that I mean basic lots in your town center 780 00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:48,739 and compact residential zones to see what's working 781 00:46:48,739 --> 00:46:50,435 and what's not working. 782 00:46:50,435 --> 00:46:52,979 We have the opportunity to work closely with real estate 783 00:46:52,979 --> 00:46:55,155 economists so we'll be able to look at programs 784 00:46:55,155 --> 00:46:57,249 and see what's happening and give you 785 00:46:57,249 --> 00:46:58,749 some information on what's happening 786 00:46:58,749 --> 00:47:01,459 and what's working and not working. 787 00:47:01,459 --> 00:47:05,379 With that, my part of the presentation is concluded 788 00:47:05,379 --> 00:47:07,239 and we can move to questions. 789 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,531 I've got some questions here. 790 00:47:09,531 --> 00:47:13,331 Or feel free to give us your comment. 791 00:47:13,331 --> 00:47:15,123 >> Thank you so much for that presentation. 792 00:47:15,123 --> 00:47:21,990 That was a lot to think about in one go. 793 00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:25,293 Having the presentation, I'm going to bring it back 794 00:47:25,293 --> 00:47:28,739 to the Council and planning Commission for any questions 795 00:47:28,739 --> 00:47:30,659 you might have. 796 00:47:30,659 --> 00:47:33,659 Does anyone want to start? 797 00:47:43,847 --> 00:47:44,805 >> I'm assuming that -- 798 00:47:44,805 --> 00:47:50,275 I am assuming that those '05 or so projects that you looked 799 00:47:50,275 --> 00:47:53,750 at, they were generally a little bit of housing, 800 00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:57,275 mostly retail activities, restaurants -- in those, 801 00:47:58,549 --> 00:48:02,149 how was parking accomplished or accommodated? 802 00:48:03,859 --> 00:48:08,411 Do you happen to remember where parking was supplied in order 803 00:48:08,411 --> 00:48:10,811 to make those function? 804 00:48:11,459 --> 00:48:14,119 >> It's different on each site but each site does accommodate 805 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:14,989 its own parking. 806 00:48:14,989 --> 00:48:17,919 I can give some information about that later. 807 00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:20,912 I don't know off the top of my head. 808 00:48:20,912 --> 00:48:24,899 >> In general, was it part of the site? 809 00:48:24,899 --> 00:48:26,259 >> Correct. 810 00:48:26,259 --> 00:48:27,359 >> Thank you. 811 00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:34,424 And on the previous slide, the next steps -- it appears -- 812 00:48:34,424 --> 00:48:35,967 that one. 813 00:48:35,967 --> 00:48:41,367 The diagonal striping includes (inaudible) the town hall that 814 00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:46,459 we're sitting in -- the gym. 815 00:48:46,459 --> 00:48:53,965 What does it mean potential test site as it relates to that area? 816 00:48:53,965 --> 00:48:56,315 >> All it means is doing some test fits, 817 00:48:56,315 --> 00:48:59,809 so thinking about what fits and what doesn't fit under 818 00:48:59,809 --> 00:49:01,809 your zoning code. 819 00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:07,859 >> We kind of went through -- >> Yep. (inaudible) 820 00:49:13,271 --> 00:49:15,604 >> The other question, you have given us 6 or 7 examples 821 00:49:15,604 --> 00:49:18,259 of development and other towns. 822 00:49:18,259 --> 00:49:23,979 But the ones that we can see, the Barlow and Sebastopol, 823 00:49:23,979 --> 00:49:26,979 Hillsborough, the development there -- 824 00:49:27,483 --> 00:49:31,754 those are ones that we could get a sense for and experience 825 00:49:31,754 --> 00:49:37,754 and actually understand some of the problems that they have. 826 00:49:38,299 --> 00:49:41,299 I'm having trouble -- y? 827 00:49:42,419 --> 00:49:43,952 >> That's a great idea. 828 00:49:43,952 --> 00:49:46,571 Happy to bring forward some more local examples, 829 00:49:46,571 --> 00:49:51,979 if you have specific examples you want us to look at. 830 00:49:51,979 --> 00:49:56,990 >> If we look at Hillsborough, they have more than what 831 00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:58,499 you've shown in this. 832 00:49:59,579 --> 00:50:01,790 >> More activity. 833 00:50:01,790 --> 00:50:08,279 They have a plaza, hotels, a new covered area for events -- 834 00:50:08,565 --> 00:50:10,107 the Foley Center. 835 00:50:10,107 --> 00:50:10,715 Yeah. 836 00:50:10,715 --> 00:50:13,579 They just have it all. 837 00:50:13,579 --> 00:50:16,739 It appears that that would be a better 838 00:50:16,739 --> 00:50:21,965 example for us to look at because we can actually see it. 839 00:50:21,965 --> 00:50:24,939 >> I did make a clear choice to stay away from Hillsborough 840 00:50:24,939 --> 00:50:29,919 actually because I wanted to expand beyond what is right next 841 00:50:29,919 --> 00:50:30,419 door. 842 00:50:30,419 --> 00:50:33,639 And I know a lot of what is happening 843 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,732 in some of the other work we're doing 844 00:50:35,732 --> 00:50:39,332 is comparing Windsor's fundamentals to Hillsborough. 845 00:50:39,939 --> 00:50:41,723 I'm happy to bring in Hillsborough 846 00:50:41,723 --> 00:50:44,939 and want to focus on specific projects rather 847 00:50:44,939 --> 00:50:46,619 than overall area. 848 00:50:46,619 --> 00:50:50,219 So like a hotel -- sure. 849 00:50:52,379 --> 00:50:53,151 Commissioner? 850 00:50:53,151 --> 00:50:58,224 I just want to share because I have been to the Redding -- 851 00:50:58,224 --> 00:51:01,819 >> We won't do questions right now or just questions. 852 00:51:01,819 --> 00:51:03,955 >> I will share with what the parking looks like 853 00:51:03,955 --> 00:51:09,955 in my experience, what else was in the surrounding area. 854 00:51:10,419 --> 00:51:11,672 >> Go ahead. 855 00:51:11,672 --> 00:51:15,432 >> He mentioned that -- this wasn't a time to look 856 00:51:15,432 --> 00:51:19,763 at overhauling the zoning but one of the things we've seen 857 00:51:19,763 --> 00:51:23,539 in 10 or 15 years since the plan is done -- 858 00:51:23,539 --> 00:51:26,539 when it comes to density and housing, 859 00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:30,611 it's gone totally one direction and our current zoning exposes 860 00:51:30,611 --> 00:51:34,419 us a little bit to overbuilding in these areas from what we are 861 00:51:34,419 --> 00:51:34,997 planning. 862 00:51:34,997 --> 00:51:39,255 Which may not have been the case ten years ago. 863 00:51:39,255 --> 00:51:41,832 I get that limiting question through rezoning 864 00:51:41,832 --> 00:51:43,835 would probably make us ineligible for some 865 00:51:43,835 --> 00:51:45,430 of the funding you mentioned. 866 00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:46,999 But this would be the time to look 867 00:51:46,999 --> 00:51:50,682 at that if we wanted to put some speed 868 00:51:50,682 --> 00:51:53,682 bumps in place for development. 869 00:51:53,752 --> 00:51:57,859 >> It can be difficult to down zone but it certainly can be 870 00:51:57,859 --> 00:51:59,859 discussed. 871 00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:08,400 >> Any other questions? 872 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,761 I have a quick question about -- 873 00:52:09,761 --> 00:52:13,139 I don't remember what the wording is, 874 00:52:13,139 --> 00:52:17,133 of the previous slide you had up -- 875 00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:20,932 can you explain what a potential test site means and what all 876 00:52:20,932 --> 00:52:25,119 the elements of that would look like so we can understand what 877 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,119 that exercise is? 878 00:52:27,539 --> 00:52:29,199 >> The exercise is a design exercise. 879 00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,707 We have architects and urban designers 880 00:52:31,707 --> 00:52:34,839 and when we come around to the alternative phase, 881 00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:37,174 we'll have another public meeting. 882 00:52:37,174 --> 00:52:39,539 Some of our designs can either be 883 00:52:39,539 --> 00:52:41,939 located geographically or not. 884 00:52:42,259 --> 00:52:45,971 They can just be ideas that are focused on activation 885 00:52:45,971 --> 00:52:49,819 and thinking through how to really transform and make 886 00:52:49,819 --> 00:52:53,154 the downtown be what you all want it to be. 887 00:52:53,154 --> 00:52:56,683 I like to use real life sites because you 888 00:52:56,683 --> 00:52:58,299 get better information. 889 00:52:58,299 --> 00:53:01,339 But we're not trying to design any of these sites 890 00:53:01,339 --> 00:53:04,205 and none of these sites are a master plan. 891 00:53:04,205 --> 00:53:06,739 It's a test and exploration that we 892 00:53:06,739 --> 00:53:09,251 do as architects and designers and also, we 893 00:53:09,251 --> 00:53:12,190 have the opportunity to work with an economist 894 00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:14,611 to get a better sense of the fundamentals 895 00:53:14,611 --> 00:53:17,824 of the type of product you might want to see. 896 00:53:17,824 --> 00:53:26,224 And when I say product, I mean a market, a hotel, or a daycare. 897 00:53:26,715 --> 00:53:28,659 An amphitheater. 898 00:53:28,659 --> 00:53:30,239 Things like that. 899 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,747 Where if you want to see some of these types of programs 900 00:53:33,747 --> 00:53:36,939 in your downtown, you need to understand the market 901 00:53:36,939 --> 00:53:38,939 fundamentals to achieve it. 902 00:53:38,939 --> 00:53:42,240 It's not intended necessarily to be designed 903 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,465 for any one of these sites. 904 00:53:44,465 --> 00:53:47,530 I think we may not show it as such 905 00:53:47,530 --> 00:53:50,119 but we will use the sites as essentially test cases 906 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,863 in order to test out design ideas. 907 00:53:52,863 --> 00:53:56,463 You can think about another example 908 00:53:56,615 --> 00:54:00,639 of that might be there's an interest in achieving 909 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,390 infrastructure improvements that's paid 910 00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:05,479 for by private development. 911 00:54:05,959 --> 00:54:08,645 You want to know what your threshold is 912 00:54:08,645 --> 00:54:12,694 so you can access money to improve infrastructure. 913 00:54:12,694 --> 00:54:16,690 You want to know whether it's changing the fundamentals 914 00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:18,990 of that program or products. 915 00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:20,499 Does that make sense? 916 00:54:20,539 --> 00:54:23,599 >> If I could chime in, it's also a big question that comes 917 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,299 up when we talk about different types of land uses or programing 918 00:54:26,299 --> 00:54:27,479 is the feasibility. 919 00:54:27,479 --> 00:54:30,290 This gives it opportunity to take 920 00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:32,719 actual underdeveloped properties of the downtown 921 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,387 or developed in a way that still has potential and look 922 00:54:36,387 --> 00:54:38,531 at feasibility for these programs. 923 00:54:38,531 --> 00:54:42,651 As K was saying, not necessarily a specific site 924 00:54:42,651 --> 00:54:44,615 plan or design for anything. 925 00:54:44,615 --> 00:54:49,760 It's using the actual real world examples of the space 926 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,619 so that we can see the feasibility of the plan. 927 00:54:54,619 --> 00:54:56,619 >> Okay. 928 00:54:57,299 --> 00:54:58,819 >> Yes please. 929 00:54:58,819 --> 00:55:02,219 >> Maybe you've just answered my question but I feel I'm still 930 00:55:02,219 --> 00:55:04,219 missing something. 931 00:55:05,139 --> 00:55:12,521 Why would we as a town be doing this as opposed to -- 932 00:55:12,521 --> 00:55:15,435 we are not going to be building a market or building those 933 00:55:15,435 --> 00:55:18,325 projects you just showed as examples. 934 00:55:18,325 --> 00:55:23,545 So would not the developers or the investors be the ones 935 00:55:23,545 --> 00:55:26,224 that should be doing this feasibility planning? 936 00:55:26,224 --> 00:55:29,615 I'm not sure I'm tracking what we're even doing here come 937 00:55:29,615 --> 00:55:33,427 on talking about these -- >> One of the ways I think about it is 938 00:55:33,427 --> 00:55:35,973 it is de-risking programs you want to see. 939 00:55:35,973 --> 00:55:42,292 If you want to see activation or a hotel or new forms of housing, 940 00:55:42,292 --> 00:55:44,519 let's say, housing -- 941 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:50,350 I don't know -- you want to understand how best to achieve 942 00:55:50,350 --> 00:55:50,587 that. 943 00:55:50,587 --> 00:55:52,339 You're essentially telling the market 944 00:55:52,339 --> 00:55:55,790 through your regulatory and process requirements 945 00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:56,939 that you are ready. 946 00:55:56,939 --> 00:56:00,155 This provides you all with information 947 00:56:00,155 --> 00:56:04,843 and a better plan that helps you achieve your goals. 948 00:56:04,843 --> 00:56:07,243 Does that make sense? 949 00:56:07,965 --> 00:56:08,632 >> Sure. 950 00:56:08,632 --> 00:56:10,632 Thank you. 951 00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:15,699 >> And any other questions from planning? 952 00:56:16,919 --> 00:56:18,919 Go ahead. 953 00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:25,319 >> If I could, on the prior slide, the yellow -- 954 00:56:26,139 --> 00:56:29,709 those are parcels that have applications. 955 00:56:29,709 --> 00:56:32,109 They're on this map. 956 00:56:33,289 --> 00:56:36,211 How information gathering and circulation -- 957 00:56:36,211 --> 00:56:38,205 what does that mean? 958 00:56:38,205 --> 00:56:43,123 What does this plan intend to do with the ones in yellow? 959 00:56:43,123 --> 00:56:46,470 That would be the Millsite, the Windsor Creek site 960 00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:51,139 and the all of our site north of the Oliver Shopping Center. 961 00:56:51,139 --> 00:56:54,305 >> I think one of the things I would like to think that the SAP 962 00:56:54,305 --> 00:56:59,359 can do is provide better notion of circulation for those sites 963 00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:00,759 in yellow. 964 00:57:00,759 --> 00:57:04,159 We wouldn't be rezoning them and certainly there's 965 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,116 an active application as you know on two of them 966 00:57:07,116 --> 00:57:09,270 and interest in a school site. 967 00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:14,152 This is a way to fill gaps in your existing stationary plan 968 00:57:14,152 --> 00:57:17,939 and so I have also information gathering because we are already 969 00:57:17,939 --> 00:57:21,211 collecting a lot of information from folks about that, 970 00:57:21,211 --> 00:57:24,363 and with the Active Creek, we want 971 00:57:24,363 --> 00:57:26,603 to understand how do we implement 972 00:57:26,603 --> 00:57:28,159 the additional circulation. 973 00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,411 One of the things that Windsor struggles with 974 00:57:31,411 --> 00:57:34,587 is that you have an incomplete street network. 975 00:57:34,587 --> 00:57:38,547 When the town was incorporated, a lot 976 00:57:38,547 --> 00:57:41,279 of the places that had been built by the county 977 00:57:41,279 --> 00:57:45,780 don't include sidewalks, they don't necessarily go through. 978 00:57:45,780 --> 00:57:47,653 One of the things we want to do is 979 00:57:47,653 --> 00:57:51,739 be more effective in helping build out your street network 980 00:57:51,739 --> 00:57:55,179 so you have the grid you've been looking for. 981 00:57:55,179 --> 00:58:01,779 I think in Belle Village, the old SAP has additional streets 982 00:58:03,715 --> 00:58:06,219 but it's not currently enforceable. 983 00:58:06,219 --> 00:58:12,219 >> And speaking to that, will the stationary plan deal with 984 00:58:12,859 --> 00:58:20,590 design and specifically when you look at the property north of -- 985 00:58:21,824 --> 00:58:25,100 sorry, I'm not using the right term -- 986 00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:29,949 there is a plan for a single family housing there. 987 00:58:29,949 --> 00:58:34,749 How would the stationary plan deal with that? 988 00:58:35,685 --> 00:58:39,139 >> We cannot affect it I don't think if it's already entitled. 989 00:58:39,139 --> 00:58:40,899 Not entitled. 990 00:58:40,899 --> 00:58:45,699 We would be able to defer to Kim. 991 00:58:46,539 --> 00:58:49,590 We will have to see, she said. 992 00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:52,590 They are on separate tracks. 993 00:58:52,259 --> 00:58:55,590 >> It's just an application at this point. 994 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:57,459 >> It's an incomplete application. 995 00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:06,458 >> It's one of the reasons -- >> I can barely hear you. 996 00:59:06,458 --> 00:59:08,579 >> The mics are not very effective. 997 00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:13,379 So I guess -- the stationary plan -- 998 00:59:14,355 --> 00:59:20,165 it's not going to deal with the zoning of that property? 999 00:59:20,165 --> 00:59:23,239 >> We'll deal with the zoning and that we do need to update 1000 00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:27,439 the design standards, design and development standards. 1001 00:59:30,659 --> 00:59:35,659 >> You mean make those as objective as opposed to -- 1002 00:59:35,659 --> 00:59:37,659 as possible? 1003 00:59:37,752 --> 00:59:39,752 >> It's possible. 1004 00:59:39,812 --> 00:59:42,879 This application is already in process. 1005 00:59:42,879 --> 00:59:47,119 Depending on its timing, we will see what happens. 1006 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,907 The plan -- I was going to show you really quickly because I 1007 00:59:51,907 --> 00:59:55,539 think this might answer some questions about the timing -- 1008 00:59:55,539 --> 00:59:56,939 is here. 1009 00:59:56,939 --> 00:59:58,859 Just so you can see it. 1010 00:59:58,859 --> 01:00:02,729 It's actually -- one of the reasons why it's not going to be 1011 01:00:02,729 --> 01:00:07,755 a big overhaul is it is a short time period between 12 and 14 1012 01:00:07,755 --> 01:00:10,259 months which is very fast. 1013 01:00:10,259 --> 01:00:13,359 It's super fast for a planning project. 1014 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:17,123 We are here in the blue in the information gathering. 1015 01:00:17,123 --> 01:00:19,965 Will have a period of this option hearing 1016 01:00:19,965 --> 01:00:23,990 we were talking about with the alternatives and some findings 1017 01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:24,525 and proposals and recommendations 1018 01:00:24,525 --> 01:00:28,379 for your objective design standards and for programs. 1019 01:00:28,379 --> 01:00:31,819 We'll come forward with some recommendations about mobility 1020 01:00:31,819 --> 01:00:36,394 and mobility hub, how to achieve consistency for example. 1021 01:00:36,394 --> 01:00:40,219 That will come forward at the end of the green here 1022 01:00:40,219 --> 01:00:42,639 and then we are moving towards documentation 1023 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:48,371 and the final plan needs to be issued next summer quite early. 1024 01:00:48,371 --> 01:00:54,371 It's really coming back to you all in May of 2027. 1025 01:00:56,219 --> 01:01:02,219 >> Will you be prioritizing -- the Creek system for example, 1026 01:01:02,251 --> 01:01:05,243 through the mill and the Windsor Creek School, 1027 01:01:05,243 --> 01:01:09,439 in terms of pedestrian and bicycle mobility? 1028 01:01:09,439 --> 01:01:11,779 >> I saw that comment and I think it's a good one. 1029 01:01:11,779 --> 01:01:15,143 It's also a good example of this kind of feasibility work 1030 01:01:15,143 --> 01:01:19,359 we could do is really understand what it would take, for example, 1031 01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,592 your civic Center plan has a daylighting of the creek 1032 01:01:22,592 --> 01:01:24,347 and a host of new streets. 1033 01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:27,499 We might want to think through how do we better implement 1034 01:01:27,499 --> 01:01:29,467 on that desired outcome. 1035 01:01:29,467 --> 01:01:33,119 What can we put forward in the plan from programs 1036 01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:34,679 to priorities? 1037 01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,739 This is a way to put your priorities out there 1038 01:01:37,739 --> 01:01:41,447 and the implementation happens through a sequence 1039 01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:46,847 of other projects that are happening after the plan. 1040 01:01:46,899 --> 01:01:50,579 >> Great, and so those comments will be part of our discussion 1041 01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:53,699 after we hear public comment on things that are priorities 1042 01:01:53,699 --> 01:01:56,479 for this council and Planning Commission and what you want 1043 01:01:56,479 --> 01:01:59,645 to see in the station area plan so we can get that information 1044 01:01:59,645 --> 01:02:03,952 out and part of the record and it will help the team go forward 1045 01:02:03,952 --> 01:02:08,402 and put together a plan with all of our information, included, 1046 01:02:08,402 --> 01:02:11,525 and we'll come back and visit again in the future. 1047 01:02:11,525 --> 01:02:16,419 At this time what I want to do is open up public comment. 1048 01:02:16,419 --> 01:02:18,443 Again comment this is a special meeting 1049 01:02:18,443 --> 01:02:20,299 and only comments or statements concerning 1050 01:02:20,299 --> 01:02:24,643 the agenda items listed today are going to be allowed. 1051 01:02:24,643 --> 01:02:28,119 Each public comment is normally restricted to three minutes 1052 01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,659 and we do have our clocks up. 1053 01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:33,659 Hopefully they will be working. 1054 01:02:33,755 --> 01:02:37,699 Anyone who wants to give public comments, please 1055 01:02:37,699 --> 01:02:39,972 line up at the podium and we will have them 1056 01:02:39,972 --> 01:02:43,572 all from here at the microphone. 1057 01:02:45,899 --> 01:02:49,515 Anybody who wants to give public comment? 1058 01:02:49,515 --> 01:02:50,885 Come on up. 1059 01:02:50,885 --> 01:02:52,885 It's your time. 1060 01:03:02,651 --> 01:03:03,151 Hello. 1061 01:03:03,151 --> 01:03:03,160 Good evening Council and planning Commission. name 1062 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:03,660 is Melanie. 1063 01:03:03,660 --> 01:03:06,139 I'm here because of Windsor Creek Elementary School site is 1064 01:03:06,139 --> 01:03:09,139 part of the area plan and I believe it's future use needs 1065 01:03:09,139 --> 01:03:13,339 to be carefully considered as U -- 1066 01:03:27,299 --> 01:03:30,279 Opportunity to serve the broader community 1067 01:03:30,279 --> 01:03:32,205 rather than being a plan for high density 1068 01:03:32,205 --> 01:03:33,205 residential development. 1069 01:03:33,205 --> 01:03:37,499 This isn't simply about whether Windsor needs more housing. 1070 01:03:37,499 --> 01:03:41,846 We need to plan responsibly for housing and growth 1071 01:03:41,846 --> 01:03:44,856 and Windsor has already done a great deal in this area. 1072 01:03:44,856 --> 01:03:47,499 The town has already met its requirements for low income 1073 01:03:47,499 --> 01:03:50,667 housing and there's -- already underway. 1074 01:03:50,667 --> 01:03:55,245 At this point I believe we need to slow down and take 1075 01:03:55,245 --> 01:03:59,819 a A thoughtful look -- we need to find opportunities to make 1076 01:03:59,819 --> 01:04:03,190 meaningful public spaces and destinations that benefit 1077 01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:07,219 everyone in Windsor, not for residential development. 1078 01:04:08,698 --> 01:04:11,555 The question is whether this particular park or type 1079 01:04:11,555 --> 01:04:14,995 of development -- believe it is not. 1080 01:04:14,995 --> 01:04:17,975 The station area and vibrant area is Windsor. 1081 01:04:17,975 --> 01:04:22,175 It's a place residents can walk, communities 1082 01:04:24,619 --> 01:04:28,579 who choose to spend their time and money in Windsor. 1083 01:04:28,579 --> 01:04:30,979 High density resident development 1084 01:04:32,369 --> 01:04:35,369 would miss an important opportunity. 1085 01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:38,639 It would use one of Windsor's most valuable pieces of land 1086 01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,875 to, primarily for housing, when we 1087 01:04:40,875 --> 01:04:44,339 could be creating something that benefits the entire community. 1088 01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:48,679 Be considered for a park, public open space, development 1089 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:52,670 and supports the goals of the station area plan. 1090 01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:54,811 Any of those we thought would be a great fit 1091 01:04:54,811 --> 01:04:57,811 for the Windsor Creek site. 1092 01:05:00,459 --> 01:05:04,190 I'm asking the council to preserve this public use 1093 01:05:04,190 --> 01:05:05,755 designation and protect this opportunity 1094 01:05:05,755 --> 01:05:07,411 for the future of Windsor. 1095 01:05:07,411 --> 01:05:10,739 Please do not change the general plan 1096 01:05:10,739 --> 01:05:13,739 to development in this site. 1097 01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,979 Thank you. 1098 01:05:24,991 --> 01:05:26,324 >> Neighbors with Melanie there. 1099 01:05:26,324 --> 01:05:28,219 I second everything she said and when 1100 01:05:28,219 --> 01:05:31,232 looking at the examples, which I love, 1101 01:05:31,232 --> 01:05:36,499 and I get why we are not looking at the Barlow or Hillsborough, 1102 01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:38,627 because a lot of those are people traveling 1103 01:05:38,627 --> 01:05:41,405 in wine tours and stuff. 1104 01:05:41,405 --> 01:05:44,923 And what might be really really good, 1105 01:05:44,923 --> 01:05:48,832 what I've been envisioning from the workshop that we had, 1106 01:05:48,832 --> 01:05:51,232 was more family opportunity. 1107 01:05:51,499 --> 01:05:55,805 Like Melanie said, it is a nice piece of land right 1108 01:05:55,805 --> 01:05:59,736 in the middle and from all the transit, it is walking -- 1109 01:05:59,736 --> 01:06:02,559 and we talked about putting up signs like here or here, 1110 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,507 here's how you get there -- 1111 01:06:04,507 --> 01:06:07,573 there's a good opportunity for people to go oh, 1112 01:06:07,573 --> 01:06:10,379 I'll get off the train and hang out -- 1113 01:06:10,379 --> 01:06:14,459 but just across the way here's this other, in my mind, 1114 01:06:14,459 --> 01:06:19,490 multicultural center which has theater, things for kids to do. 1115 01:06:19,490 --> 01:06:23,609 Maybe there's a thing at the green that adult bands and stuff 1116 01:06:23,609 --> 01:06:26,990 but maybe there's something really fun for the teens 1117 01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:28,219 to do but they're close by. 1118 01:06:28,219 --> 01:06:30,299 They can meet up. 1119 01:06:30,299 --> 01:06:31,739 I agree 100%. 1120 01:06:31,739 --> 01:06:35,705 If we were to take an aerial view and look at the paths 1121 01:06:35,705 --> 01:06:39,772 around the creek and all the places we could walk, 1122 01:06:39,772 --> 01:06:41,934 any of those open land spaces around 1123 01:06:41,934 --> 01:06:46,723 are just opportunities for us to grow community activity. 1124 01:06:46,723 --> 01:06:49,512 So I agree with that. 1125 01:06:49,512 --> 01:06:53,539 One of the examples that was here for the bar in Sacramento 1126 01:06:53,539 --> 01:06:54,390 -- 1127 01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:58,184 I think what I saw was it's a cool structure and the parking 1128 01:06:58,184 --> 01:07:02,639 -- it had gone up and I saw some cars up high which I 1129 01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:04,329 hadn't really considered before. 1130 01:07:04,329 --> 01:07:06,835 That leaves the structure underneath for people 1131 01:07:06,835 --> 01:07:10,269 to do stuff inside with the cars being up top. 1132 01:07:10,269 --> 01:07:11,690 Neat idea. 1133 01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:13,811 Also something we've never done in Windsor 1134 01:07:13,811 --> 01:07:15,559 is underground parking. 1135 01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:21,499 I don't know what the rules are but being able to create parking 1136 01:07:21,499 --> 01:07:28,699 underground so that we can utilize the space up top for us 1137 01:07:28,747 --> 01:07:29,247 -- 1138 01:07:29,247 --> 01:07:33,790 to play and have fun -- that kind of thing -- 1139 01:07:33,790 --> 01:07:35,451 so off the cuff comments. 1140 01:07:35,451 --> 01:07:37,139 Hope you'll take it into consideration. 1141 01:07:37,139 --> 01:07:39,139 Thanks. 1142 01:07:39,539 --> 01:07:41,539 >> Thank you. 1143 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,485 >> I'm Kevin, resident of Windsor. 1144 01:07:48,485 --> 01:07:49,441 One of the takeaways I'm getting from participating in the group 1145 01:07:49,441 --> 01:07:51,645 project we had in July and tonight 1146 01:07:51,645 --> 01:07:55,739 is we've got to develop a spine of our community 1147 01:07:55,739 --> 01:07:58,181 and what is going to come off of that spine 1148 01:07:58,181 --> 01:08:01,303 so we have a future vision. 1149 01:08:01,303 --> 01:08:03,955 What's problematic in my experience of Windsor 1150 01:08:03,955 --> 01:08:07,390 is patches of developers going forward. 1151 01:08:07,390 --> 01:08:09,587 And it's like a puzzle. 1152 01:08:09,587 --> 01:08:10,927 Streets are weird. 1153 01:08:10,927 --> 01:08:15,799 Sections of the community are chopped up, a lot chopped up. 1154 01:08:15,799 --> 01:08:21,179 If we could focus on like when Sam is talking about Mill Creek 1155 01:08:21,179 --> 01:08:24,129 -- what is our theme of the creek coming through, 1156 01:08:24,129 --> 01:08:26,819 maybe reaching towards the other side of town? 1157 01:08:26,819 --> 01:08:29,459 Is there a foot or bike path? 1158 01:08:29,459 --> 01:08:32,299 What if we complement that with a conceptual planning 1159 01:08:32,299 --> 01:08:36,699 we've been talking about tonight of specialized stores? 1160 01:08:36,699 --> 01:08:39,675 We have some stores that have struggled. 1161 01:08:39,675 --> 01:08:43,659 How do we get them to support days activities, 1162 01:08:43,659 --> 01:08:46,579 out the Riverside Park -- and local things so it is 1163 01:08:46,579 --> 01:08:50,510 Windsor's identity maybe outdoor recreation -- 1164 01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:55,719 and then things that start coming out of that around 1165 01:08:55,719 --> 01:08:57,719 the town green? 1166 01:08:57,779 --> 01:09:00,379 And in the evening the rooftop restaurants 1167 01:09:00,379 --> 01:09:04,139 that if you get some height in a restaurant, 1168 01:09:04,139 --> 01:09:05,792 you can go down the one on one, they'll 1169 01:09:05,792 --> 01:09:08,585 want to stop and say hey, I want to check that out. 1170 01:09:08,585 --> 01:09:10,475 So we have a visual identity. 1171 01:09:10,475 --> 01:09:13,355 That's what I think this whole conceptualization is 1172 01:09:13,355 --> 01:09:14,603 really helpful for. 1173 01:09:14,603 --> 01:09:17,605 It's hard to get a group of town people who have lived here 1174 01:09:17,605 --> 01:09:20,847 to say oh, what should it be. 1175 01:09:20,847 --> 01:09:26,830 You see it as today -- we can improve it a lot. 1176 01:09:26,830 --> 01:09:29,309 When I went under that -- 1177 01:09:29,309 --> 01:09:31,499 I forget what it's called, the passage 1178 01:09:31,499 --> 01:09:35,487 under the train from the high school to the Mill Creek, 1179 01:09:35,487 --> 01:09:37,556 I didn't know it was there. 1180 01:09:37,556 --> 01:09:40,675 I was frustrated because I couldn't get over from where 1181 01:09:40,675 --> 01:09:42,399 this middle school is. 1182 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,916 And I'm like that should be joined because I would be hiking 1183 01:09:45,916 --> 01:09:49,179 back and up with my dog -- 1184 01:09:49,179 --> 01:09:54,205 we need a theme going on so it doesn't keep getting chopped up 1185 01:09:54,205 --> 01:09:56,112 and so we have bits and pieces. 1186 01:09:56,112 --> 01:10:01,819 If we have that theme, then we can build out the concept. 1187 01:10:01,819 --> 01:10:04,819 That's just my generalized comment. 1188 01:10:06,459 --> 01:10:08,459 >> Thank you. 1189 01:10:14,583 --> 01:10:15,500 >> We appreciate that. 1190 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,500 Anyone else? 1191 01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:26,663 >> Lois Fisher. 1192 01:10:26,663 --> 01:10:26,743 I guess my comments -- 1193 01:10:26,743 --> 01:10:27,392 I'm trying to talk about -- 1194 01:10:27,392 --> 01:10:29,790 I've given lots of information. 1195 01:10:29,790 --> 01:10:33,100 One thing I can bring forward -- 1196 01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:36,887 I was part of the group that said let's do a town green. 1197 01:10:36,887 --> 01:10:41,419 I watched the whole thing and the biggest concern 1198 01:10:41,419 --> 01:10:46,119 I've had since day one is we buried our town green. 1199 01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:49,430 You need a GPS to find it and no wonder 1200 01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:51,659 we have problems getting people to come there. 1201 01:10:51,659 --> 01:10:55,899 One of the things we did with the Civic Center visioning is we 1202 01:10:55,899 --> 01:11:00,232 actually moved the library off to the side so that we could get 1203 01:11:00,232 --> 01:11:01,921 views on one side -- 1204 01:11:01,921 --> 01:11:06,123 so I was just really hoping that would be included. 1205 01:11:06,123 --> 01:11:07,510 The other thing -- 1206 01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:10,739 I don't have a better plan but this was the original town 1207 01:11:10,739 --> 01:11:11,963 plan for Windsor. 1208 01:11:11,963 --> 01:11:14,799 This is the one we actually built the town off of. 1209 01:11:14,799 --> 01:11:18,539 One thing included in here comment much as you can see, 1210 01:11:18,539 --> 01:11:21,190 they were the proposed roads. 1211 01:11:21,190 --> 01:11:24,659 They were proposed roads for the Windsor site. 1212 01:11:24,659 --> 01:11:26,867 The Windsor Creek site. 1213 01:11:26,867 --> 01:11:30,465 And without these roads come the second people came in and took 1214 01:11:30,465 --> 01:11:34,699 out the roads, all of a sudden our plan has showed a road along 1215 01:11:34,699 --> 01:11:38,549 the creek -- it's shown the road wasn't there. 1216 01:11:38,549 --> 01:11:39,615 It was just blank. 1217 01:11:39,615 --> 01:11:43,504 Ever since then we have had a heck of a time trying to get 1218 01:11:43,504 --> 01:11:47,581 those things -- so I would like to recommend that you look 1219 01:11:47,581 --> 01:11:49,692 at this plan and see the good things. 1220 01:11:49,692 --> 01:11:52,269 This is the one that built the town and the other 1221 01:11:52,269 --> 01:11:54,129 came afterwards. 1222 01:11:54,129 --> 01:11:57,339 Also, if we can get eyes of the town green so it connects up 1223 01:11:57,339 --> 01:12:03,112 to a major street -- when you move to the library -- 1224 01:12:03,112 --> 01:12:08,331 are you incorporating the Civic Center visioning plan come with 1225 01:12:08,331 --> 01:12:09,931 that material into your work? 1226 01:12:09,931 --> 01:12:10,727 All right. 1227 01:12:10,727 --> 01:12:13,619 There's more but that's it. 1228 01:12:13,619 --> 01:12:14,795 >> Thank you. 1229 01:12:14,795 --> 01:12:16,795 Anyone else? 1230 01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:18,752 >> Okay. 1231 01:12:18,752 --> 01:12:22,110 Seeing no one else wanting to get public comment comment 1232 01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:24,915 I will close public comment and bring the discussion back 1233 01:12:24,915 --> 01:12:26,915 to this body. 1234 01:12:26,979 --> 01:12:29,619 I'd like to have a really robust conversation. 1235 01:12:29,619 --> 01:12:34,107 This is something for the future come to downtown for Windsor 1236 01:12:34,107 --> 01:12:36,539 and I want to hear everyone's ideas 1237 01:12:36,539 --> 01:12:40,720 and see also some specific things that might be interesting 1238 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,603 so that we can get those ideas out 1239 01:12:42,603 --> 01:12:45,739 and collected so we can go forward with this. 1240 01:12:45,739 --> 01:12:50,539 Is there anyone who would like to start? 1241 01:12:51,190 --> 01:12:55,410 Commissioner, I cut you off earlier and so 1242 01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:57,249 if you wanted to give your comment now about parking, 1243 01:12:57,249 --> 01:12:59,190 please do so. 1244 01:12:59,190 --> 01:13:00,607 >> I can give comments about that. 1245 01:13:00,607 --> 01:13:05,489 I went back and read the existing stationary plan 1246 01:13:05,489 --> 01:13:09,190 to highlight some of the things that I liked or took notes 1247 01:13:09,190 --> 01:13:10,733 on things that we needed to work on. 1248 01:13:10,733 --> 01:13:13,915 One of the things I felt held true 1249 01:13:13,915 --> 01:13:17,369 was the first chapter, the guiding principles. 1250 01:13:17,369 --> 01:13:21,579 I think that's where this group can focus our efforts 1251 01:13:21,579 --> 01:13:26,173 and make sure that the guiding principles still fit for what 1252 01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:27,495 we are trying to do today. 1253 01:13:27,495 --> 01:13:31,472 And I think I found 1 or 2 things I thought maybe 1254 01:13:31,472 --> 01:13:33,187 I would cross off. 1255 01:13:33,187 --> 01:13:36,687 What felt like the core in the vision for the town 1256 01:13:36,687 --> 01:13:38,760 is still there. 1257 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:43,285 I appreciated that, that over these many years -- 1258 01:13:43,285 --> 01:13:46,304 that we are really holding true to these guiding principles 1259 01:13:46,304 --> 01:13:47,699 of what we want. 1260 01:13:47,699 --> 01:13:51,423 I didn't call it the spine -- in my notes I called it the Heart 1261 01:13:51,423 --> 01:13:54,409 of Windsor because that's what I believe it truly is. 1262 01:13:54,409 --> 01:13:58,119 I'm hoping we refer back to some of those guiding principles 1263 01:13:58,119 --> 01:14:00,939 and maybe refine and start there. 1264 01:14:00,939 --> 01:14:05,539 That's kind of where I thought we should go here. 1265 01:14:05,539 --> 01:14:07,525 The reading example -- 1266 01:14:07,525 --> 01:14:10,299 I had been there and I took a ton of pictures 1267 01:14:10,299 --> 01:14:13,785 because I said wow, I would love this in Windsor. 1268 01:14:13,785 --> 01:14:17,299 Some of the things you couldn't see on the particular site that 1269 01:14:17,299 --> 01:14:20,899 was in the box across the street was a park 1270 01:14:20,899 --> 01:14:24,112 and that particular day they were just rotating bands 1271 01:14:24,112 --> 01:14:25,912 every hour and a half. 1272 01:14:25,912 --> 01:14:28,412 They would pop on with their own equipment and start playing 1273 01:14:28,412 --> 01:14:30,787 and then there was a lawn and people were listening. 1274 01:14:30,787 --> 01:14:33,599 Next door was the Health and Human Services Department 1275 01:14:33,599 --> 01:14:40,910 so there was a mix of public services on the same street. 1276 01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:44,559 They all had really wide sidewalks, wide enough 1277 01:14:44,559 --> 01:14:46,623 that people can walk. 1278 01:14:46,623 --> 01:14:49,772 There was a game of cornhole going 1279 01:14:49,772 --> 01:14:51,147 on in the middle of the sidewalk. 1280 01:14:51,147 --> 01:14:54,504 It was just so active and engaged, 1281 01:14:54,504 --> 01:14:57,744 with different things going on in the same space. 1282 01:14:57,744 --> 01:15:02,312 It had both on street parking through a corridor in the back, 1283 01:15:02,312 --> 01:15:03,952 was a little parking lot. 1284 01:15:03,952 --> 01:15:07,387 I had done a walk around the block and there was an alleyway 1285 01:15:07,387 --> 01:15:11,587 with parking and across the street -- 1286 01:15:15,347 --> 01:15:17,889 there were more little parking pockets based around what used 1287 01:15:17,889 --> 01:15:20,389 to be there but it was pretty creative mix of street parking 1288 01:15:20,389 --> 01:15:22,739 and lots here and there. 1289 01:15:22,739 --> 01:15:25,939 But the way that the space was engaged for different activities 1290 01:15:25,939 --> 01:15:29,579 all along the whole street I thought was impressive. 1291 01:15:29,579 --> 01:15:33,859 And I did like that they had a very large, 1292 01:15:33,859 --> 01:15:37,149 about the size of this room, covered dining room 1293 01:15:37,149 --> 01:15:40,749 that serviced 4 or 5 different businesses that 1294 01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:44,355 had misters and fire pits depending on your season 1295 01:15:44,355 --> 01:15:45,512 with roll up doors. 1296 01:15:45,512 --> 01:15:50,399 It was like the people I knew lived there, golfing buddies, 1297 01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:54,989 sports moms -- everybody was -- it was such a community 1298 01:15:54,989 --> 01:15:57,989 gathering space and really cool. 1299 01:15:58,645 --> 01:16:03,979 >> Thank you for that and who would like to go next? 1300 01:16:03,979 --> 01:16:04,627 Okay. 1301 01:16:04,627 --> 01:16:05,923 Your ideas? 1302 01:16:05,923 --> 01:16:07,923 Thank you. 1303 01:16:08,667 --> 01:16:12,490 >> So I do want to bring it back a little bit but I mentioned 1304 01:16:12,490 --> 01:16:15,283 earlier, we've seen really great projects come forward 1305 01:16:15,283 --> 01:16:17,575 and we've approved them and tried to push them through. 1306 01:16:17,575 --> 01:16:20,587 We had a hotel come the flat iron 1307 01:16:20,587 --> 01:16:22,987 building, the airspace condominiums, 1308 01:16:23,259 --> 01:16:27,611 all those projects were well designed and thought out. 1309 01:16:27,611 --> 01:16:30,619 I think we would have been happy and proud to have those built. 1310 01:16:30,619 --> 01:16:33,634 It wasn't the town that stopped those processes. 1311 01:16:33,634 --> 01:16:36,859 There were construction costs and COVID and a lot of financing 1312 01:16:36,859 --> 01:16:41,943 stuff that comes into play where well we can change our plans 1313 01:16:41,943 --> 01:16:43,616 and regulations, at the end of the day 1314 01:16:43,616 --> 01:16:46,859 it costs what it costs and we've had some great interest 1315 01:16:46,859 --> 01:16:48,619 and we've pushed some great projects 1316 01:16:48,619 --> 01:16:51,650 through that just didn't make it across the finish line 1317 01:16:51,650 --> 01:16:54,251 and I don't think changing the plan maybe addresses that. 1318 01:16:54,251 --> 01:16:56,719 But when we look at what is being built, 1319 01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:58,665 that's where I'm concerned. 1320 01:16:58,665 --> 01:17:01,451 We see a ton of housing being built 1321 01:17:01,451 --> 01:17:03,832 where we lost local control over those projects 1322 01:17:03,832 --> 01:17:07,539 and when we look at the few spaces left, the lot 1323 01:17:07,539 --> 01:17:11,739 north of Oliver, we haven't seen a great project there ever. 1324 01:17:11,739 --> 01:17:15,579 The projects that were built or that were planned 1325 01:17:15,579 --> 01:17:18,712 were decent but were they anything 1326 01:17:18,712 --> 01:17:20,171 like what we saw up here? 1327 01:17:20,171 --> 01:17:20,763 No. 1328 01:17:20,763 --> 01:17:24,739 They were specific to the land use that we designated and so I 1329 01:17:24,739 --> 01:17:27,483 don't know how we attract a totally different kind 1330 01:17:27,483 --> 01:17:30,679 of project than anything that's ever been proposed to those 1331 01:17:30,679 --> 01:17:35,636 areas but I do have a concern about what may go into those 1332 01:17:35,636 --> 01:17:38,379 spots if we don't have any control over it 1333 01:17:38,379 --> 01:17:41,879 and that's whether it's the Windsor Creek lot or -- 1334 01:17:41,879 --> 01:17:45,859 and that's why I brought up -- and I think you called it down 1335 01:17:45,859 --> 01:17:49,192 zoning as -- we may need to do because a developer can come 1336 01:17:49,192 --> 01:17:52,619 in and ask us to rezone to give more density and we can make 1337 01:17:52,619 --> 01:17:53,179 that choice. 1338 01:17:53,179 --> 01:17:57,779 But if we don't have that choice in place, we lose that control. 1339 01:17:57,779 --> 01:18:00,134 That's my biggest concern is that loss of local control 1340 01:18:00,134 --> 01:18:03,245 in any of these projects that come forward because we're not 1341 01:18:03,245 --> 01:18:04,763 seeing the ones we want necessarily 1342 01:18:04,763 --> 01:18:06,891 being able to be funded and built. 1343 01:18:06,891 --> 01:18:11,139 We're seeing stuff that we don't have any say in going forward. 1344 01:18:11,139 --> 01:18:13,590 I would focus on that. 1345 01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:15,275 Street connectivity and sidewalks are very important. 1346 01:18:15,275 --> 01:18:17,619 I live close enough to walk here but I 1347 01:18:17,619 --> 01:18:19,419 don't let my kids walk here because there's 1348 01:18:19,419 --> 01:18:23,199 no sidewalk, simple stuff that we should look at down the road. 1349 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:24,379 Sorry. 1350 01:18:24,379 --> 01:18:26,779 >> Thank you so much. 1351 01:18:34,176 --> 01:18:34,676 >> Mam? 1352 01:18:34,676 --> 01:18:34,686 >> I wanted to give other people -- thank you. 1353 01:18:34,686 --> 01:18:37,447 Thank you for pointing out the smart underpass. 1354 01:18:37,447 --> 01:18:44,219 I think a lot of us -- it's in an area that's kind of remote. 1355 01:18:44,219 --> 01:18:50,819 You could provide a connection from the Windsor High School -- 1356 01:18:51,659 --> 01:18:57,659 and the park -- to the shell station at downtown. 1357 01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:49,432 (inaudible) deal in the downtown is giving people feeling 1358 01:19:49,432 --> 01:19:51,832 comfortable riding and walking. 1359 01:19:52,123 --> 01:19:54,523 I feel comfortable enough. 1360 01:19:55,211 --> 01:19:58,211 I do the underpass riding. 1361 01:19:58,435 --> 01:20:00,661 And you get used to it. 1362 01:20:00,661 --> 01:20:05,890 But people who are not used to it don't. 1363 01:20:05,890 --> 01:20:09,344 So there's also this possibility to look at -- 1364 01:20:09,344 --> 01:20:11,669 we overbuilt the central. 1365 01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:15,241 Santa Rosa's overpass come up from the junior college 1366 01:20:15,241 --> 01:20:19,619 to the -- to the other side of the town -- 1367 01:20:19,619 --> 01:20:24,272 it's a really important overpass but I think it might be like $38 1368 01:20:24,272 --> 01:20:29,912 million and this is the 18th year to provide that. 1369 01:20:29,912 --> 01:20:34,699 We might want to really consider if that's really feasible. 1370 01:20:34,699 --> 01:20:38,679 And if it's not, let's stop talking about it because -- 1371 01:20:38,679 --> 01:20:43,159 and for us that are somewhat making the rules, 1372 01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:48,152 we have to say well, that's in the future. 1373 01:20:48,152 --> 01:20:53,595 But -- anyway, I think that's really important and I also 1374 01:20:53,595 --> 01:20:54,959 would like the MTC -- 1375 01:20:54,959 --> 01:20:57,324 I don't know who was on the slide. 1376 01:20:57,324 --> 01:21:00,879 You said they would like in these zones that 25 units per 1377 01:21:00,879 --> 01:21:01,759 acre -- 1378 01:21:01,759 --> 01:21:03,747 I don't know if that was on a slide 1379 01:21:03,747 --> 01:21:06,525 but I think you mentioned it, so when 1380 01:21:06,525 --> 01:21:11,670 they say they would recommend that, how do we deal with that? 1381 01:21:11,670 --> 01:21:15,795 That's a question that needs to be asked because we talk 1382 01:21:15,795 --> 01:21:18,399 about loss of local control and then 1383 01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:22,739 we have MTC saying we recommend 25 units per acre. 1384 01:21:22,739 --> 01:21:29,939 That is quite a bit more than our general plan and zoning 1385 01:21:29,939 --> 01:21:31,739 really looks at. 1386 01:21:31,739 --> 01:21:35,299 >> You're actually not that far away from that. 1387 01:21:35,299 --> 01:21:38,483 Your town center zone and your compact residential. 1388 01:21:38,483 --> 01:21:41,555 One of the ways MTC calculates it 1389 01:21:41,555 --> 01:21:44,649 is you actually are looking at future development 1390 01:21:44,649 --> 01:21:45,959 and not existing. 1391 01:21:45,959 --> 01:21:50,131 So they've got a calculation where you're also 1392 01:21:50,131 --> 01:21:52,350 pulling out certain sites. 1393 01:21:52,350 --> 01:21:54,435 So you're very close. 1394 01:21:54,749 --> 01:22:00,265 It doesn't require actually a lot of changes to your existing 1395 01:22:00,265 --> 01:22:00,862 zoning. 1396 01:22:00,862 --> 01:22:05,259 And there's a maximum of 35 -- >> I won't be able to tell that 1397 01:22:05,259 --> 01:22:10,139 to the person on the street that we are really close to that. 1398 01:22:10,139 --> 01:22:13,379 >> Can I interrupt and ask what are those little changes? 1399 01:22:13,379 --> 01:22:15,329 You say we are close. 1400 01:22:15,329 --> 01:22:17,175 What does we're close mean? 1401 01:22:17,175 --> 01:22:21,543 What would that -- how significant is that in this? 1402 01:22:21,543 --> 01:22:24,779 That's where you said like 1 to $2 million. 1403 01:22:24,779 --> 01:22:28,819 So each of those different categories have 25 points. 1404 01:22:28,819 --> 01:22:31,679 We're assuming you get 19 points under land use and density 1405 01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:35,720 so we're not consistent 100% with the requirements. 1406 01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,959 Then under parking you are 25 of 25 and under circulation access 1407 01:22:39,959 --> 01:22:42,779 you are 25 of 25 or something like that. 1408 01:22:42,779 --> 01:22:45,899 I'm not remembering off the top of my head but that's what I 1409 01:22:45,899 --> 01:22:48,399 mean, where you have different ways you can be consistent 1410 01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:50,885 depending on what's happening within your particular 1411 01:22:50,885 --> 01:22:54,189 jurisdiction your town center zoning and compact residential 1412 01:22:54,189 --> 01:23:00,189 and medium density residential, you can see compact is 24 per 1413 01:23:00,232 --> 01:23:05,320 acre right there and town center has -- 1414 01:23:05,216 --> 01:23:09,819 I have it in my notes -- but slightly more than that in terms 1415 01:23:09,819 --> 01:23:11,819 of per acre. 1416 01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:20,603 >> (inaudible) 1417 01:23:20,603 --> 01:23:20,611 >> Please don't ask me about the math. 1418 01:23:20,611 --> 01:23:22,528 >> Are you including properties already built? 1419 01:23:22,528 --> 01:23:25,259 You are including properties already built in the density 1420 01:23:25,259 --> 01:23:29,499 calculations or just vacant -- >> You exclude them. 1421 01:23:29,499 --> 01:23:33,699 >> Town center -- >> You have a lot of single family zoning. 1422 01:23:33,699 --> 01:23:40,179 And it's only -- it's only sites that are residential by right. 1423 01:23:40,179 --> 01:23:42,579 >> But we're only talking about like town center, 1424 01:23:42,579 --> 01:23:44,559 everything is built there except the -- 1425 01:23:44,559 --> 01:23:46,563 >> That's not entirely true. 1426 01:23:46,563 --> 01:23:49,395 You have Mill Creek, Belle village, 1427 01:23:49,395 --> 01:23:52,619 the area around the town center, various sites 1428 01:23:52,619 --> 01:23:54,619 and opportunity sites that have been located 1429 01:23:54,619 --> 01:23:57,190 throughout this area plan. 1430 01:23:57,723 --> 01:24:02,523 You do already have relatively desirable compact residential 1431 01:24:04,379 --> 01:24:08,379 already in your stationary plan through your compact residential 1432 01:24:08,379 --> 01:24:10,779 and town center zoning. 1433 01:24:12,459 --> 01:24:13,659 >> Okay. 1434 01:24:13,659 --> 01:24:16,150 >> One of the things we can do is -- 1435 01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:21,270 one of the things that most of Northern California cities are 1436 01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:25,270 addressing is that it is cost infeasible to build multifamily. 1437 01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:28,445 One of the things the market is looking at 1438 01:24:28,445 --> 01:24:32,379 is townhouses and that's why you are seeing 1439 01:24:32,379 --> 01:24:34,479 so many projects come back switching 1440 01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,879 from multifamily to townhouses. 1441 01:24:38,590 --> 01:24:39,747 This is one of the reasons we like 1442 01:24:39,747 --> 01:24:42,750 to play around with feasibility with our economist. 1443 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,474 We start to test out different housing types. 1444 01:24:45,474 --> 01:24:47,990 One of the things we heard for example, 1445 01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:50,723 and some of our workshops, in Windsor as being sort 1446 01:24:50,723 --> 01:24:54,179 of a creative city, thinking about different specialized 1447 01:24:54,179 --> 01:24:55,987 types of residential -- 1448 01:24:55,987 --> 01:24:59,190 I know there's challenges with Belle Village 1449 01:24:59,190 --> 01:25:03,875 but there's ways to be thinking about lived work for example 1450 01:25:03,875 --> 01:25:05,392 which is included in this. 1451 01:25:05,392 --> 01:25:08,379 You've never seen that kind of project come through 1452 01:25:08,379 --> 01:25:10,827 and you've never seen other kinds of shared housing 1453 01:25:10,827 --> 01:25:14,139 or cottage housing or different types that are grant oriented 1454 01:25:14,139 --> 01:25:16,659 that are desirable, slightly lower cost. 1455 01:25:16,659 --> 01:25:20,469 So I think you do have some opportunities to explore 1456 01:25:20,469 --> 01:25:22,939 different types of compact housing 1457 01:25:22,939 --> 01:25:25,235 that makes sense in this type of environment. 1458 01:25:25,235 --> 01:25:29,830 It could get you more types of diversity of product 1459 01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:30,419 that you are seeing now. 1460 01:25:30,419 --> 01:25:31,299 Go ahead. 1461 01:25:31,299 --> 01:25:35,319 I would add anecdotally that in our downtown area, 1462 01:25:35,319 --> 01:25:38,390 the projects that we have seen have all 1463 01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:41,459 been towards the bottom of the density range or even below. 1464 01:25:41,459 --> 01:25:43,529 So for that downtown environment, 1465 01:25:43,529 --> 01:25:46,484 the super high density product type 1466 01:25:46,484 --> 01:25:49,361 hasn't been proposed by developers so far. 1467 01:25:49,361 --> 01:25:53,323 As we are looking at -- it's definitely a valid concern. 1468 01:25:53,323 --> 01:25:55,659 We are losing local control. 1469 01:25:55,659 --> 01:25:57,333 Density is one piece of the puzzle 1470 01:25:57,333 --> 01:26:00,539 we need to be looking at but also design and circulation 1471 01:26:00,539 --> 01:26:03,642 and connectivity and the visioning for the downtown 1472 01:26:03,642 --> 01:26:07,475 are also big parts of this moving forward. 1473 01:26:07,475 --> 01:26:09,827 So staff definitely hears those concerns 1474 01:26:09,827 --> 01:26:13,799 and that's going to be worked into the analysis 1475 01:26:13,799 --> 01:26:15,799 that we're preparing. 1476 01:26:16,539 --> 01:26:21,939 >> Have we had any development in the core downtown? 1477 01:26:22,195 --> 01:26:26,619 You've indicated that the development is lower density. 1478 01:26:26,619 --> 01:26:32,190 How long ago was the last development in downtown? 1479 01:26:33,579 --> 01:26:37,739 The orange design -- that Oren couldn't build because he went 1480 01:26:37,739 --> 01:26:41,939 bankrupt and -- because of the 2008 catastrophe? 1481 01:26:42,139 --> 01:26:44,481 I'm trying to -- 1482 01:26:44,481 --> 01:26:47,667 I'm trying to vision has there been any development 1483 01:26:47,667 --> 01:26:49,215 in the core downtown? 1484 01:26:49,215 --> 01:26:51,615 I don't think so. 1485 01:26:52,590 --> 01:26:54,299 >> You haven't had any multifamily development 1486 01:26:54,299 --> 01:26:56,299 in the past decade. 1487 01:26:56,299 --> 01:26:56,979 Certainly. 1488 01:26:56,979 --> 01:27:00,925 We haven't had any single family either. 1489 01:27:00,925 --> 01:27:05,185 >> That's an issue I think -- one of the issues that needs 1490 01:27:05,185 --> 01:27:07,185 to be unpacked. 1491 01:27:07,245 --> 01:27:10,387 I think this is an opportunity to do that. 1492 01:27:10,387 --> 01:27:13,651 That's where we are entering into the phase 1493 01:27:13,651 --> 01:27:15,451 where we are identifying these challenges 1494 01:27:15,451 --> 01:27:17,339 and we've looked at your pipeline 1495 01:27:17,339 --> 01:27:19,879 and seeing what's happened to the various projects that 1496 01:27:19,879 --> 01:27:23,423 have gotten almost there but then haven't made it. 1497 01:27:23,423 --> 01:27:27,989 So we're questioning exploring what that means and how we could 1498 01:27:27,989 --> 01:27:29,943 help solve for that challenge.. 1499 01:27:29,943 --> 01:27:32,839 Core Creek -- I'm sorry. 1500 01:27:32,839 --> 01:27:39,365 That is one development that is in the downtown and currently -- 1501 01:27:39,365 --> 01:27:41,699 that's the only one I can think of. 1502 01:27:41,699 --> 01:27:43,979 >> Mike do you want to give comment before you leave? 1503 01:27:43,979 --> 01:27:45,979 Thank you. 1504 01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:49,883 >> I also wanted to echo one of Sam's sentiments with 1505 01:27:49,883 --> 01:27:52,819 the Undercrossing and I don't know if we've been coordinating, 1506 01:27:52,819 --> 01:27:57,959 but something that struck me is the opportunity with the Star 1507 01:27:57,959 --> 01:28:02,699 Creek development, the Star Creek Trail on the northern end. 1508 01:28:02,699 --> 01:28:05,723 Where the smart trail is going. 1509 01:28:05,723 --> 01:28:07,699 And connecting some of the other neighborhoods 1510 01:28:07,699 --> 01:28:08,743 through the community. 1511 01:28:08,743 --> 01:28:12,344 I think we have some opportunities there 1512 01:28:12,344 --> 01:28:16,451 in this plan to really build out some of those bike 1513 01:28:16,451 --> 01:28:18,799 and pedestrian opportunities for connectivity. 1514 01:28:18,799 --> 01:28:20,487 Where is that located? 1515 01:28:20,487 --> 01:28:27,870 Being taught by the green picnic table, that blue squiggle line. 1516 01:28:27,685 --> 01:28:31,285 >> It from where we're sitting diagonal. 1517 01:28:31,900 --> 01:28:33,275 >> What you call the smart trail. 1518 01:28:33,275 --> 01:28:36,459 It goes and comes out at Oak Park. 1519 01:28:36,459 --> 01:28:37,512 >> Yes. 1520 01:28:37,512 --> 01:28:40,512 Let me block that trail. 1521 01:28:41,165 --> 01:28:44,209 >> There is an area in the downtown that -- 1522 01:28:44,209 --> 01:28:48,275 how many of you have experienced the parcel of land behind 1523 01:28:48,275 --> 01:28:50,830 the shell station? 1524 01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:53,899 Does it look like a park now that it's 1525 01:28:53,899 --> 01:28:55,872 been mowed and taken care of? 1526 01:28:55,872 --> 01:28:58,292 And it has nice trees and is green? 1527 01:28:58,292 --> 01:29:03,259 But who would want to recreate in something like that next 1528 01:29:03,259 --> 01:29:06,619 to the freeway and the shell station? 1529 01:29:06,619 --> 01:29:10,990 Well, if you walk down into the creek, 1530 01:29:10,990 --> 01:29:16,539 you can walk under old highway and come up on the other side 1531 01:29:16,539 --> 01:29:19,643 and we looked at the undercrossing 1532 01:29:19,643 --> 01:29:23,843 of 101 years ago going through the culvert. 1533 01:29:24,579 --> 01:29:27,145 That culvert was much too small. 1534 01:29:27,145 --> 01:29:30,145 But the bridge is not. 1535 01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:34,919 And it is an opportunity to connect downtown 1536 01:29:34,919 --> 01:29:39,119 with actually connected to the east side. 1537 01:29:42,259 --> 01:29:47,659 Because -- old highway going underneath is really difficult 1538 01:29:48,179 --> 01:29:51,307 for pedestrians and bicyclists and cars. 1539 01:29:51,307 --> 01:29:54,307 It's most difficult for cars. 1540 01:29:56,299 --> 01:30:00,499 It's difficult for -- but -- yeah, 1541 01:30:01,285 --> 01:30:03,990 and it is something to think about. 1542 01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:06,259 We can think about well, that's where the homeless all live 1543 01:30:06,259 --> 01:30:07,939 and on and on. 1544 01:30:07,939 --> 01:30:13,439 But there is the ability because the creek there -- 1545 01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,309 it has a pretty good slope to get down to it to. 1546 01:30:17,309 --> 01:30:21,875 So I did want to bring that up because that is this Paseo 1547 01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:22,375 design. 1548 01:30:22,375 --> 01:30:24,339 That little park behind the shell station 1549 01:30:24,339 --> 01:30:28,419 is actually really nice and it's got a creek. 1550 01:30:28,419 --> 01:30:30,419 >> An actual park? 1551 01:30:30,499 --> 01:30:33,190 >> Luckily it got cleaned up. 1552 01:30:33,190 --> 01:30:35,190 It's pretty nice. 1553 01:30:35,419 --> 01:30:36,115 >> Vice Chair? 1554 01:30:36,115 --> 01:30:37,832 Thank you. 1555 01:30:37,832 --> 01:30:40,870 >> Is this microphone on? 1556 01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:41,139 No? 1557 01:30:41,139 --> 01:30:42,304 It's green.. 1558 01:30:42,304 --> 01:30:44,683 Can you hear me now? 1559 01:30:44,683 --> 01:30:45,507 Okay. 1560 01:30:45,507 --> 01:30:47,907 So thank you everybody. 1561 01:30:48,267 --> 01:30:50,411 It's been good and I enjoyed the presentation 1562 01:30:50,411 --> 01:30:52,300 and enjoyed being here. 1563 01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:55,659 I'm going to call it my junior year report card because it 1564 01:30:55,659 --> 01:30:57,659 involves three D's. 1565 01:30:58,419 --> 01:31:01,299 I think what I like that we're doing 1566 01:31:01,299 --> 01:31:03,859 is we're looking at building three things. 1567 01:31:03,859 --> 01:31:06,319 We're looking at building something diverse. 1568 01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:09,490 We want to build a stationary that's diverse. 1569 01:31:09,490 --> 01:31:11,692 You still can't hear me? 1570 01:31:11,692 --> 01:31:14,692 It wasn't a good joke. 1571 01:31:15,499 --> 01:31:17,190 >> It's on now. 1572 01:31:17,190 --> 01:31:19,190 >> Better now? 1573 01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:22,590 >> So the vice mayor gets a better microphone? 1574 01:31:22,590 --> 01:31:24,590 Well done. 1575 01:31:24,299 --> 01:31:28,235 So again, the three D's of the thoughts of the stationary plan. 1576 01:31:28,235 --> 01:31:29,707 The first one is diverse. 1577 01:31:29,707 --> 01:31:33,219 We should allow a place where we can have entrepreneurs coming in 1578 01:31:33,219 --> 01:31:37,499 to try new things and they can fail and they can be risk takers 1579 01:31:37,499 --> 01:31:39,599 and they can try stuff. 1580 01:31:39,599 --> 01:31:42,799 Part of having a downtown engineer train station 1581 01:31:42,799 --> 01:31:46,139 is popping off and going what's here? 1582 01:31:46,139 --> 01:31:49,390 What is different than Rohnert Park? 1583 01:31:49,390 --> 01:31:51,890 What is different than Healdsburg 1584 01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:53,609 and what is different than Petaluma? 1585 01:31:53,609 --> 01:31:55,339 We've got to be diverse. 1586 01:31:55,339 --> 01:31:57,643 The next one is dynamic. 1587 01:31:57,643 --> 01:32:00,700 Cities cannot sit still and be there. 1588 01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:02,549 They have to change and be interesting. 1589 01:32:02,549 --> 01:32:05,223 Give people a reason to come back. 1590 01:32:05,223 --> 01:32:07,536 We've got to make it simple for things to be dynamic 1591 01:32:07,536 --> 01:32:09,312 and the third D is dense. 1592 01:32:09,312 --> 01:32:12,773 I know this is kind of like what are you talking about for dense? 1593 01:32:12,773 --> 01:32:14,930 It has to be walkable. 1594 01:32:14,930 --> 01:32:17,836 We know it has to be financially sustainable for our town. 1595 01:32:17,836 --> 01:32:21,184 If we don't have the density if we're taxable land comment 1596 01:32:21,184 --> 01:32:22,659 we will not be able to afford it. 1597 01:32:22,659 --> 01:32:25,999 We have to think about that in the station area plan. 1598 01:32:25,999 --> 01:32:28,319 I love the idea of hearing about some travel 1599 01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:32,272 stuff for market halls and underground pathways and stuff. 1600 01:32:32,272 --> 01:32:35,859 I think it gets us thinking about what could be. 1601 01:32:35,859 --> 01:32:38,725 Oftentimes I think Windsor gets trapped in what was 1602 01:32:38,725 --> 01:32:42,179 and we might be shorting ourselves the future 1603 01:32:42,179 --> 01:32:45,139 that people came before us come on some of our who in this room 1604 01:32:45,139 --> 01:32:47,499 come that created the actual downtown. 1605 01:32:47,499 --> 01:32:49,115 So now's our chance to think about 1606 01:32:49,115 --> 01:32:52,579 what will the next Windsor be when God help us 1607 01:32:52,579 --> 01:32:54,331 2075 and the next group of people 1608 01:32:54,331 --> 01:32:55,472 are sitting on this table? 1609 01:32:55,472 --> 01:32:57,624 In the same town hall? 1610 01:32:57,624 --> 01:32:59,499 Those are my comments and I'm looking forward 1611 01:32:59,499 --> 01:33:01,203 to hearing from other people. 1612 01:33:01,203 --> 01:33:03,203 Thank you. 1613 01:33:11,967 --> 01:33:13,967 >> Uno Mas? 1614 01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:16,658 >> Also these guys from 1615 01:33:16,658 --> 01:33:16,666 >> Can you get closer to the microphone? 1616 01:33:16,666 --> 01:33:16,672 We're having a microphone issue tonight. 1617 01:33:16,672 --> 01:33:18,630 >> These principles are from 2013 and it's time 1618 01:33:18,630 --> 01:33:21,779 for an upgrade and these are the documents used to communicate 1619 01:33:21,779 --> 01:33:25,365 also with the developers and the business people in the world 1620 01:33:25,365 --> 01:33:27,455 to say here's what we want. 1621 01:33:27,455 --> 01:33:31,484 Some of the issues after talking with developers 1622 01:33:31,484 --> 01:33:33,723 and fabulous projects that we have gone 1623 01:33:33,723 --> 01:33:36,219 through the process of vetting and approving 1624 01:33:36,219 --> 01:33:38,525 and we're jumping at the bit to get them 1625 01:33:38,525 --> 01:33:42,498 built and they don't, some of that is attributed to the delays 1626 01:33:42,498 --> 01:33:45,965 in getting it through the permitting process, 1627 01:33:45,965 --> 01:33:47,509 the entitlement process. 1628 01:33:47,509 --> 01:33:51,309 So anything we can do on this end 1629 01:33:51,309 --> 01:33:57,731 to streamline and to be very clear about what Windsor wants 1630 01:33:57,731 --> 01:34:01,715 built here will benefit those projects at the other end 1631 01:34:01,715 --> 01:34:05,459 and actually having them come to fruition. 1632 01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:06,563 >> All right. 1633 01:34:06,563 --> 01:34:07,739 Sam quickly? 1634 01:34:07,739 --> 01:34:09,739 Please? 1635 01:34:10,139 --> 01:34:14,779 >> There is a problem with access from the smart station 1636 01:34:14,779 --> 01:34:16,555 to the downtown. 1637 01:34:16,555 --> 01:34:19,571 The people get off and there's a parking lot. 1638 01:34:19,571 --> 01:34:23,921 And thinking about the solution, there may not be one. 1639 01:34:23,921 --> 01:34:29,687 But it might be that that vehicle access through the arch 1640 01:34:29,687 --> 01:34:33,771 -- that may have to be closed to vehicles. 1641 01:34:33,771 --> 01:34:36,500 I don't know what that means but that might be 1642 01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:37,956 something we need to look at. 1643 01:34:37,956 --> 01:34:43,499 Because to try to use the arch -- it doesn't work. 1644 01:34:43,499 --> 01:34:47,285 I think a lot of people spend some time trying to figure out 1645 01:34:47,285 --> 01:34:50,779 -- in the village for example, from the streets -- 1646 01:34:50,779 --> 01:34:54,720 there is kind of a pathway through the parking lot 1647 01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,352 and it is so people and cars kind of know it. 1648 01:34:58,352 --> 01:35:04,315 It seems like we may want to look at that because it is not 1649 01:35:04,315 --> 01:35:06,107 real welcoming. 1650 01:35:06,107 --> 01:35:13,307 And just wanted to raise that as an issue for the stationary >> 1651 01:35:19,349 --> 01:35:19,974 Council member? 1652 01:35:19,974 --> 01:35:20,123 >> I wanted to explain what I'm seeing tonight. 1653 01:35:20,123 --> 01:35:21,599 I am seeing a lot. 1654 01:35:21,599 --> 01:35:27,299 But in the beginning, the nice pictures and the descriptions 1655 01:35:27,299 --> 01:35:32,832 of the areas that could be used were very intriguing to me. 1656 01:35:32,832 --> 01:35:36,590 What I find interesting about being 1657 01:35:36,590 --> 01:35:39,805 on town council is that the commissions, commissioners 1658 01:35:39,805 --> 01:35:44,190 and staff do a lot of work and essentially come down and give 1659 01:35:44,190 --> 01:35:49,930 us three choices and we check a, B or C and the decisions made, 1660 01:35:49,930 --> 01:35:51,319 we take a vote and move forward. 1661 01:35:51,319 --> 01:35:55,899 And I would love to see a book -- 1662 01:35:55,899 --> 01:36:02,690 and I'm talking only about those slides which were examples from 1663 01:36:02,690 --> 01:36:08,259 other cities, and I would like to see a book that tells me 1664 01:36:08,259 --> 01:36:13,590 which properties are available for doing interesting things. 1665 01:36:14,189 --> 01:36:19,589 What are the planning and zoning problems or opportunities 1666 01:36:19,969 --> 01:36:20,843 in those? 1667 01:36:20,843 --> 01:36:22,839 And that's chapter one. 1668 01:36:22,839 --> 01:36:26,792 And chapter two is a spectrum of ideas 1669 01:36:26,792 --> 01:36:30,430 that apply to that that are like the ones we saw here. 1670 01:36:30,430 --> 01:36:37,390 And then a page full of boxes that I can rate one through five 1671 01:36:37,390 --> 01:36:38,245 or something like that. 1672 01:36:38,245 --> 01:36:41,445 And then we can stand back and not 1673 01:36:41,445 --> 01:36:46,819 talk about all the other stuff and go forward in that category. 1674 01:36:46,819 --> 01:36:50,131 That's my dream for these things. 1675 01:36:50,131 --> 01:36:51,719 Thank you.. 1676 01:36:51,719 --> 01:36:53,719 Commissioner Richards? 1677 01:36:54,419 --> 01:36:58,432 >> My comments are more about things that I have read, 1678 01:36:58,432 --> 01:37:01,691 heard tonight's and connecting some dots. 1679 01:37:01,691 --> 01:37:05,883 Looking at 2097, one thing that stands out 1680 01:37:05,883 --> 01:37:08,290 is improving bike parking facilities. 1681 01:37:08,290 --> 01:37:10,752 Looking at our guiding principles, 1682 01:37:10,752 --> 01:37:13,299 continuing to promote green leadership, 1683 01:37:13,299 --> 01:37:15,699 encourage outdoor activity living. 1684 01:37:15,955 --> 01:37:21,219 While doing that we can build that connectivity and community 1685 01:37:21,219 --> 01:37:24,819 gathering space and the mobility space. 1686 01:37:41,591 --> 01:37:45,791 (inaudible) helps with the diversity and -- 1687 01:37:45,819 --> 01:37:49,803 that Commissioner said, talks a bit with what Council member 1688 01:37:49,803 --> 01:37:50,731 stamen said. 1689 01:37:50,731 --> 01:37:54,549 I think for me those are those aspects that I look at and want 1690 01:37:54,549 --> 01:37:57,549 to see us build on. 1691 01:37:58,850 --> 01:37:58,627 >> Excellent. 1692 01:37:58,627 --> 01:37:59,843 Thank you so much. 1693 01:37:59,843 --> 01:38:02,794 I appreciate all the comments from everyone 1694 01:38:02,794 --> 01:38:05,929 and I want to go through a few I have real quick. 1695 01:38:05,929 --> 01:38:10,729 What I would like to see is again, 1696 01:38:10,799 --> 01:38:15,664 what are these exact changes that need to be done? 1697 01:38:15,664 --> 01:38:19,522 Excuse me -- to make us eligible for the 1 to $2 million 1698 01:38:19,522 --> 01:38:20,885 for the downtown area? 1699 01:38:20,885 --> 01:38:22,347 What does that mean? 1700 01:38:22,347 --> 01:38:24,972 I think you talked that there's a preference now for townhouses 1701 01:38:24,972 --> 01:38:28,619 and I'd like to see ways that we can have purchasable residences 1702 01:38:28,619 --> 01:38:31,933 for people to build equity and wealth 1703 01:38:31,933 --> 01:38:34,729 and be able to move on potentially later if they want. 1704 01:38:34,729 --> 01:38:35,504 Maybe they stay. 1705 01:38:35,504 --> 01:38:37,629 Whenever we see apartments that doesn't necessarily 1706 01:38:37,629 --> 01:38:39,464 give people any ability to build wealth 1707 01:38:39,464 --> 01:38:41,752 and I see that in our downtown area. 1708 01:38:41,752 --> 01:38:43,512 I would like to see -- 1709 01:38:43,512 --> 01:38:46,514 I really want to see this connectivity with the mill 1710 01:38:46,514 --> 01:38:49,845 project through the Windsor Creek site and if we can get 1711 01:38:49,845 --> 01:38:54,385 that put into this plan I would like to discuss that so that 1712 01:38:54,385 --> 01:38:57,635 plan ahead of time -- is something we talked about with 1713 01:38:57,635 --> 01:39:00,936 Council member Sam quite a bit is to make sure we don't lose 1714 01:39:00,936 --> 01:39:01,933 the opportunity. 1715 01:39:01,933 --> 01:39:09,990 I would like to see a Northern Gateway as part of our plan. 1716 01:39:09,990 --> 01:39:14,830 There's nothing that signals the town coming from Arada so anyone 1717 01:39:14,830 --> 01:39:17,385 coming off the freeway and out -- nothing tells you hey, 1718 01:39:17,385 --> 01:39:21,519 you have come to the downtown of Windsor and I'd love to see that 1719 01:39:21,519 --> 01:39:24,814 -- kind of like the Gaslamp District in San Diego, 1720 01:39:24,814 --> 01:39:28,347 how you just see that beautiful archway and it signals you that 1721 01:39:28,347 --> 01:39:30,429 you're coming into an area that's just vibrant 1722 01:39:30,429 --> 01:39:31,249 and wonderful. 1723 01:39:31,249 --> 01:39:33,754 It doesn't have to be just like that, just something 1724 01:39:33,754 --> 01:39:37,209 similar that would make it just for Windsor. 1725 01:39:37,209 --> 01:39:40,899 We've talked about there's a little mention of entertainment 1726 01:39:40,899 --> 01:39:43,999 districts are really important so it gives us the opportunity 1727 01:39:43,999 --> 01:39:48,319 to have our businesses spread out into the town green area 1728 01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:52,190 so you can possibly take drinks and walk around the town 1729 01:39:52,190 --> 01:39:55,190 and have the music playing and people feel it's vibrant 1730 01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:59,204 and there's an evening nightlife that we see when we have 1731 01:39:59,204 --> 01:40:01,579 our Tuesday nights and when we have our Thursday concerts 1732 01:40:01,579 --> 01:40:03,212 but I would love to see it every night 1733 01:40:03,212 --> 01:40:04,795 and I would love to see people walking 1734 01:40:04,795 --> 01:40:08,500 down there so you experience the nightlife in downtown Windsor. 1735 01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:10,430 I think part of our objective design standards 1736 01:40:10,430 --> 01:40:12,819 if we can get it in there is to have bike parking 1737 01:40:12,819 --> 01:40:14,995 for every new development. 1738 01:40:14,995 --> 01:40:19,282 I find it bothersome to ride my bike to Oliver's and not 1739 01:40:19,282 --> 01:40:21,556 have a place to park it. 1740 01:40:21,556 --> 01:40:24,867 I'd like to make sure that is built in as an infrastructure 1741 01:40:24,867 --> 01:40:28,392 to each new development and I would love to see bike parking 1742 01:40:28,392 --> 01:40:30,939 all around so people can ride their bikes and park and walk 1743 01:40:30,939 --> 01:40:34,805 around come and get your bike comment to another spot -- 1744 01:40:34,805 --> 01:40:36,842 and again, the 1 to 2 million -- 1745 01:40:36,842 --> 01:40:38,592 I want to figure out how we get more money 1746 01:40:38,592 --> 01:40:40,139 to help with our downtown area. 1747 01:40:40,139 --> 01:40:43,539 And see if that's reasonable for us. 1748 01:40:43,539 --> 01:40:50,195 I really want to work with our transit agency to develop our -- 1749 01:40:50,195 --> 01:40:52,651 our last mile around Windsor. 1750 01:40:52,651 --> 01:40:57,619 I know the transit agency is working on their plan 1751 01:40:57,619 --> 01:40:59,712 also right now to revamp some of their routes 1752 01:40:59,712 --> 01:41:02,640 and I want to work together with them 1753 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,525 to have a last mile where people can ride the smart train here 1754 01:41:06,525 --> 01:41:09,459 and easily get onto a bus and ride to their house 1755 01:41:09,459 --> 01:41:12,539 so that they are more likely to do that. 1756 01:41:12,539 --> 01:41:17,990 I agree with everyone's comments on the smart trail. 1757 01:41:17,990 --> 01:41:20,939 It goes down and underneath and over by the high school. 1758 01:41:20,939 --> 01:41:22,762 So that walkway, when you come out 1759 01:41:22,762 --> 01:41:24,179 underneath towards the high school 1760 01:41:24,179 --> 01:41:26,307 there's not really anything that guides you. 1761 01:41:26,307 --> 01:41:29,199 There's not even a pathway that takes you out 1762 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:31,199 from the Undercrossing. 1763 01:41:32,379 --> 01:41:36,919 This drops you into a flower bed and I'm like, well, that was -- 1764 01:41:36,919 --> 01:41:41,247 so I would love to see some wayfinding signs and finish 1765 01:41:41,247 --> 01:41:41,747 that. 1766 01:41:41,747 --> 01:41:45,599 I don't think it would take much to finish that and make 1767 01:41:45,599 --> 01:41:49,679 it an easy area that guides people back to where 1768 01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:51,272 they can walk on the sidewalks. 1769 01:41:51,272 --> 01:41:55,267 I want to see what it means. 1770 01:41:55,267 --> 01:41:58,267 I know former Planning Commissioner 1771 01:41:58,405 --> 01:42:03,643 Lois talked about the proposed roads and what that looks like. 1772 01:42:03,643 --> 01:42:05,619 And if those proposed roads in there 1773 01:42:05,619 --> 01:42:08,419 would help us to really have more control 1774 01:42:08,419 --> 01:42:14,700 over that area in Mill Creek and the area down in that area. 1775 01:42:14,700 --> 01:42:20,490 And I do think there is room in the future for an Overcrossing 1776 01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:20,559 101. 1777 01:42:20,559 --> 01:42:24,910 It certainly doesn't have to cost what Santa Rosa's did. 1778 01:42:24,910 --> 01:42:27,570 They went super fancy and we don't have to go super fancy. 1779 01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:29,559 It also doesn't have to take that long. 1780 01:42:29,559 --> 01:42:32,499 But that's something that if you were to -- 1781 01:42:32,499 --> 01:42:37,544 we look at our downtown but if you took a higher look from it, 1782 01:42:37,544 --> 01:42:40,923 if there was connectivity between Raley's and Safeway 1783 01:42:40,923 --> 01:42:44,859 and the downtown area, if we had significant connectivity there 1784 01:42:44,859 --> 01:42:47,779 it would really allow people to go back and forth and walk 1785 01:42:47,779 --> 01:42:52,879 and ride their bikes and have a more vibrant downtown area 1786 01:42:52,879 --> 01:42:54,995 and not just a stationary. 1787 01:42:54,995 --> 01:42:56,883 So I tucked that in the back for the future 1788 01:42:56,883 --> 01:42:58,139 for an Overcrossing for 101. 1789 01:42:58,139 --> 01:43:01,363 I want to say is Jody's still here? 1790 01:43:01,363 --> 01:43:01,971 Jody? 1791 01:43:01,971 --> 01:43:05,990 What he tried to have underground parking downtown. 1792 01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:10,375 That was the underground for the hotel and it didn't work. 1793 01:43:10,375 --> 01:43:12,199 That's why that big hole was there. 1794 01:43:12,199 --> 01:43:14,234 That was supposed to be underground parking 1795 01:43:14,234 --> 01:43:16,975 and unfortunately that project didn't go through 1796 01:43:16,975 --> 01:43:18,885 and we know interest rates are still high 1797 01:43:18,885 --> 01:43:21,990 and the cost of building is really high. 1798 01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:24,263 I believe in the future we'll get something wonderful. 1799 01:43:24,263 --> 01:43:27,505 So I just want to finish up with that. 1800 01:43:27,505 --> 01:43:30,786 We are open to different ideas and this plan 1801 01:43:30,786 --> 01:43:34,910 is the way that we're going to do it so thank you 1802 01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:37,219 all for your comments and your ideas in the public 1803 01:43:37,219 --> 01:43:38,979 for your comments and ideas and I 1804 01:43:38,979 --> 01:43:40,483 hope they were captured so we can 1805 01:43:40,483 --> 01:43:42,499 keep working towards this plan. 1806 01:43:42,499 --> 01:43:45,323 It's by no means done and I think December -- 1807 01:43:45,323 --> 01:43:49,419 is that correct when the next -- when we're shooting for the next 1808 01:43:49,419 --> 01:43:50,127 visit to this? 1809 01:43:50,127 --> 01:43:51,456 With a lot of the inputs? 1810 01:43:51,456 --> 01:43:53,251 And a lot of the next steps. 1811 01:43:53,251 --> 01:43:58,419 Lastly, I wanted to say on some of those sites that talked about 1812 01:43:58,419 --> 01:43:59,232 -- 1813 01:43:59,232 --> 01:44:03,825 I would like to see what the feasibility is because it's kind 1814 01:44:03,825 --> 01:44:10,445 of like if you were to do -- if a company were to do a sequa 1815 01:44:10,445 --> 01:44:13,789 and drill a well or something and then share that information 1816 01:44:13,789 --> 01:44:17,580 to everybody, then would a developer come in and go oh, 1817 01:44:17,580 --> 01:44:19,163 I can see that maybe my project works there? 1818 01:44:19,163 --> 01:44:20,579 It would be similar to. 1819 01:44:20,579 --> 01:44:23,163 If you had feasibility on all these different sites and you 1820 01:44:23,163 --> 01:44:25,675 could see as a developer like oh maybe there is feasibility 1821 01:44:25,675 --> 01:44:28,979 for me to bring my project and tweak it a little bit and see 1822 01:44:28,979 --> 01:44:32,131 if it works -- that might open the door for developers to come 1823 01:44:32,131 --> 01:44:35,590 in and do some things and they don't have to be huge projects 1824 01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:37,992 but if there's something a little on a site in the town 1825 01:44:37,992 --> 01:44:40,659 that might be creative, I'd like to have those and I think those 1826 01:44:40,659 --> 01:44:42,699 are all included in this grant. 1827 01:44:42,699 --> 01:44:44,189 This isn't money we are spending. 1828 01:44:44,189 --> 01:44:45,699 It's all grant funded. 1829 01:44:45,699 --> 01:44:48,704 Since it's grant funded I would like to take the full advantage 1830 01:44:48,704 --> 01:44:51,872 and see what they want to show us. 1831 01:44:51,872 --> 01:44:57,499 >> Okay, for that I would like to move to item number eight 1832 01:44:57,499 --> 01:45:00,379 which is closing comments by council members. 1833 01:45:00,379 --> 01:45:02,995 If there's anyone who has closing comments 1834 01:45:02,995 --> 01:45:05,419 come I will go straight down the line. 1835 01:45:05,419 --> 01:45:07,419 Commissioner Richards? 1836 01:45:08,190 --> 01:45:10,517 >> Just dovetailing off of one of the comments you made, 1837 01:45:10,517 --> 01:45:14,289 we would love to see a diverse group of housing. 1838 01:45:14,289 --> 01:45:17,670 Townhomes, cottage homes, something to mix it up. 1839 01:45:17,670 --> 01:45:21,870 Would love for that to come forward. 1840 01:45:28,655 --> 01:45:30,947 >> I would also like to revisit the implementation plan 1841 01:45:30,947 --> 01:45:30,961 at the end of our current area plan and it looks like we could 1842 01:45:30,961 --> 01:45:33,378 cross a lot of successes off the list and grow some vision 1843 01:45:33,378 --> 01:45:36,978 and timelines for action going forward. 1844 01:45:45,101 --> 01:45:46,809 >> Also focusing on real visual interest, 1845 01:45:46,809 --> 01:45:47,259 not just buildings for the sake of buildings or centers but can 1846 01:45:47,259 --> 01:45:50,845 they really provide a visually interesting experience 1847 01:45:50,845 --> 01:45:53,245 for people coming here? 1848 01:46:05,646 --> 01:46:06,271 >> I like that. 1849 01:46:06,271 --> 01:46:06,282 I want to say thank you for everyone who showed up. 1850 01:46:06,282 --> 01:46:06,287 These meetings aren't super action 1851 01:46:06,287 --> 01:46:06,294 packed but thank you and stay involved 1852 01:46:06,294 --> 01:46:06,777 because that's important. 1853 01:46:06,777 --> 01:46:08,283 Did you try that microphone? 1854 01:46:08,283 --> 01:46:09,299 Okay. 1855 01:46:09,299 --> 01:46:12,279 Real quick comment you mentioned what 1856 01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:15,300 makes us different than Petaluma and all those things. 1857 01:46:15,300 --> 01:46:16,553 When it comes to the train. 1858 01:46:16,553 --> 01:46:18,875 For me is that the train lets off right downtown 1859 01:46:18,875 --> 01:46:21,659 and you go to Petaluma and you're at five blocks away 1860 01:46:21,659 --> 01:46:23,955 or you go to Brunner Park and you're in G section. 1861 01:46:23,955 --> 01:46:26,779 We have an advantage that we're delivering people 1862 01:46:26,779 --> 01:46:29,139 to our community and the idea of making that walkway 1863 01:46:29,139 --> 01:46:32,671 inviting and bringing people to downtown makes sense. 1864 01:46:32,671 --> 01:46:35,590 We have a better start because we don't 1865 01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:36,403 have to reroute train tracks. 1866 01:46:36,403 --> 01:46:40,450 Even at Santa Rosa, downtown if you want to walk under third 1867 01:46:40,450 --> 01:46:41,432 Street -- that's up to you. 1868 01:46:41,432 --> 01:46:43,832 That's all I've got. 1869 01:46:44,216 --> 01:46:44,716 >> Great. 1870 01:46:44,716 --> 01:46:46,357 So a couple of things that I left out 1871 01:46:46,357 --> 01:46:50,485 is I really do want to focus on the zoning policy that makes it 1872 01:46:50,485 --> 01:46:53,471 so we are reducing blight and that means making sure 1873 01:46:53,471 --> 01:46:55,325 that our parking is in front of buildings 1874 01:46:55,325 --> 01:46:57,979 and that we do have on street parking where it's 1875 01:46:57,979 --> 01:46:59,472 appropriate and walkable areas. 1876 01:46:59,472 --> 01:47:02,954 We can put on street parking and that helps our businesses. 1877 01:47:02,954 --> 01:47:05,954 And was there something else? 1878 01:47:06,407 --> 01:47:09,525 I think this is an opportune time, 1879 01:47:09,525 --> 01:47:12,819 as we see what's going to happen with this Emily Rose parking, 1880 01:47:12,819 --> 01:47:15,300 that we do look at it and try to see what 1881 01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:18,843 will be the best for that open gateway from the smart train 1882 01:47:18,843 --> 01:47:20,272 into the downtown. 1883 01:47:20,272 --> 01:47:22,859 We might just have to have a study session specifically 1884 01:47:22,859 --> 01:47:23,719 on that. 1885 01:47:23,719 --> 01:47:25,379 Okay? 1886 01:47:25,379 --> 01:47:27,939 >> I like to say thank you to all of you who are here. 1887 01:47:27,939 --> 01:47:29,645 Ask your friends to come next time. 1888 01:47:29,645 --> 01:47:32,569 It's a great party and -- 1889 01:47:32,569 --> 01:47:36,990 I've said all I want to say with respect to my dreams. 1890 01:47:36,990 --> 01:47:37,739 Thank you so much. 1891 01:47:37,739 --> 01:47:39,659 >> Sam? 1892 01:47:39,659 --> 01:47:42,279 >> I think the time is now. 1893 01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:48,279 I'm struggling with this updated plan because we have development 1894 01:47:49,712 --> 01:47:54,512 applications in that are going to affect -- 1895 01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:59,499 more in my opinion than this plan. 1896 01:47:59,499 --> 01:48:05,325 And I think what we need to do is look at the current plan 1897 01:48:05,325 --> 01:48:10,819 and look at what we are planning and put those in motion 1898 01:48:10,819 --> 01:48:13,790 in the current applications. 1899 01:48:13,790 --> 01:48:16,559 The mill, the Windsor Creek site, 1900 01:48:16,559 --> 01:48:21,552 whatever that's going to be -- and the trail in core creek -- 1901 01:48:21,552 --> 01:48:23,179 those are my comments. 1902 01:48:23,179 --> 01:48:25,811 It needs to happen now. 1903 01:48:25,811 --> 01:48:32,411 And in those principles that we are >> Great and thank you, 1904 01:48:39,690 --> 01:48:39,569 I agree. 1905 01:48:39,569 --> 01:48:39,579 I think that's probably heard by our planning commissioners who 1906 01:48:39,579 --> 01:48:39,587 are actively looking at these projects coming in 1907 01:48:39,587 --> 01:48:41,739 and can hear that we like to be thoughtful about the projects 1908 01:48:41,739 --> 01:48:43,227 that are in application process now 1909 01:48:43,227 --> 01:48:45,650 and then looking forward to the future 1910 01:48:45,650 --> 01:48:46,464 with the rest of the plan. 1911 01:48:46,464 --> 01:48:48,154 I'm going to move on to item number 1912 01:48:48,154 --> 01:48:50,533 nine which is adjournment. 1913 01:48:50,533 --> 01:48:54,579 Our next regular council meeting is scheduled for August 19th, 1914 01:48:54,579 --> 01:48:55,756 2026 at 6 p.m. 1915 01:48:55,756 --> 01:48:58,445 Right here in the Civic Center Council Chambers. 1916 01:48:58,445 --> 01:49:02,645 And that is 9391 old River Highway Building 400. 1917 01:49:02,979 --> 01:49:05,715 And the next Planning Commission meeting is now scheduled 1918 01:49:05,715 --> 01:49:07,925 for August 25th at 6 p.m.. 1919 01:49:07,925 --> 01:49:09,925 Thanks everybody.