1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,200 All right. Going to call to order the 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,720 meeting, first meeting of the year, the 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,480 ASRB on uh January the 12th at 4:30 p.m. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,759 Have a roll call, please. 5 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:16,800 >> Chair Lindseay, 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,440 >> present. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,880 >> Vice Chair Comra, 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,080 >> present. 9 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:21,680 >> Member Delgavio, 10 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,880 >> member Middleman, 11 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,519 >> present. 12 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:24,880 >> And member Sullivan, 13 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,080 >> present. 14 00:00:26,080 --> 00:00:28,560 >> Excellent. Um, do we have any changes to 15 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,400 the agenda today? There are no changes 16 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,280 to the agenda and no desk items. 17 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,320 >> Okay. Thank you. Um at this time, we ask 18 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,160 anyone of the public who wishes to make 19 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:41,680 a comment on any topic not on tonight's 20 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,239 agenda, either in the room or online. I 21 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:45,680 see no one in the room. 22 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,280 >> We have no attendees online at the 23 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,920 moment. 24 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,719 >> Okay. Okay. We're going fast. Um consent 25 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,879 agenda. I believe we have one item. Uh 26 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:57,760 December 15th minutes. 27 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,199 >> Okay. 28 00:00:59,199 --> 00:01:02,000 Um, does any member of the board have a 29 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,040 comment or pull that for comment? 30 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,280 Otherwise, we'll just approve the 31 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,439 consent agenda 32 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:12,240 as is. All right. Can I have a motion to 33 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,920 approve the consent? Oh, 34 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,560 >> second. 35 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,960 >> I'll make a motion. I'll make a motion 36 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:19,600 to approve the December 15th minutes. 37 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,520 >> Make a motion to second that. 38 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,320 >> Chair Lindseay. 39 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:22,720 >> Yes. 40 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,680 >> Vice Chair Comra. 41 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,159 >> Yes. 42 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:25,200 >> Member Delgavio. 43 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:25,520 >> Yes. 44 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:26,720 >> Member Middleman. 45 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,400 >> Yes. Member Sullivan. 46 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,400 >> Yes. 47 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,079 >> Wow. We are moving fast. 48 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:32,880 >> Love it. 49 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,360 >> Okay. Um on to the public hearing. We 50 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,799 have one item tonight. 45 Mission Trail. 51 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:40,000 Um 52 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,280 >> Sarah will give the presentation. 53 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,560 >> Sarah's presenting remotely. 54 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,640 >> Hi everyone. Um first off, I just want 55 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,159 to apologize. I'm not there with you 56 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:51,439 all. I'm a little under the weather. Um 57 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,040 so thanks for being flexible with me. 58 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:00,069 Um, can you guys all see my screen? 59 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:00,880 » Yes. 60 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,240 >> Okay. Okay, great. So, thank you. Um, I 61 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,520 will be introducing the project at 45 62 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,679 Mission Trail. 63 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:12,400 The project includes the demolition of 64 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,680 an existing single family main residence 65 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,959 as well as the guest house and pool and 66 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:21,520 the construction of a new single family 67 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,800 main residence, detached garage and 68 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,760 swimming pool. The property is um 1 acre 69 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,120 in size and it's in the SR zoning 70 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,280 district. 71 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Um, it's located on the north side of 72 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Mission Trail, which is a private road 73 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,270 that extends off of Kenyatta Road. 74 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,000 The property slopes uh gently from um 75 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,080 like west to east with an average 76 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,120 elevation change of about 12 ft. It's a 77 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,400 pretty um gradual slope. 78 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,959 Um, it is currently developed with a 79 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:03,120 single family main residence as well as 80 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,920 a guest house and a pool. Um, all of 81 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:09,519 which are proposed to be demolished. 82 00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:12,480 And there is also an existing detached 83 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,840 garage um that's 84 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,640 um currently under review um building 85 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,440 permit review and it's proposed to be 86 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,760 demolished and a new ADU um is proposed 87 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,840 in that same location. So that's this 88 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,640 structure here. 89 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,560 Um so the that particular scope of work, 90 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,560 the ADU is not not necessarily part of 91 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,319 this discussion. It it's already under 92 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,760 review for building permits. Um the new 93 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,680 main residence is uh proposed here in 94 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,480 the approximate center of the property. 95 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,560 And this is a detached garage uh located 96 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,680 here. And then in kind of right here in 97 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,680 this center area is the proposed 98 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,640 swimming pool. 99 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,439 The existing driveway location onto the 100 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:08,560 property will remain. Um it will be 101 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,959 repaved and modified to extend um onto 102 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:16,799 the property to this detached garage. 103 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:18,320 And so it will include additional 104 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,040 parking areas and um this firetruck 105 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,790 turnaround. 106 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Uh the height of the residence will be 107 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,600 approximately 17 1/2 ft tall at its 108 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,840 highest point. It is a singlestory 109 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,759 residence 110 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:40,080 and the materials include um standing 111 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,120 seam metal roofs uh vertical and 112 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,960 horizontal cement board siding as well 113 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,080 as wood sighting and then um aluminum 114 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,479 and clad oh sorry aluminum clad windows 115 00:04:52,479 --> 00:04:54,479 and doors. 116 00:04:54,479 --> 00:04:57,120 And as you can see, the color tone the 117 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,680 color palette will be muted earth tones 118 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,199 and shades of um like gray, beige, 119 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,199 brown. 120 00:05:05,199 --> 00:05:08,000 Um I did receive um two neighbors 121 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,440 reached out um wanting to view the plans 122 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,720 and both of which were able to view the 123 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,440 plans. one of the neighbors was able to 124 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,120 um view them and indicated to the 125 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,120 applicant and as well as myself that 126 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,840 they were in support of the project. 127 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:28,479 And another neighbor um came in and 128 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,479 looked at the plans and was curious 129 00:05:30,479 --> 00:05:34,800 about um landscape screening. 130 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,840 Um the applicant has installed story 131 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:41,120 pools in advance of the hearing. Um that 132 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,120 concludes my presentation and I'm happy 133 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,479 to answer any questions. Right. 134 00:05:46,479 --> 00:05:48,639 Thank you, Sarah. Um, does anyone on the 135 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,960 board have questions of staff? 136 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:51,280 >> Sarah. 137 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,639 I have a question because of the 138 00:05:54,639 --> 00:06:03,110 >> Oh, I have a 139 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,720 Okay. um as because the driveway is 140 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,800 extended all the way and back to the 141 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,360 garage and you have the pool area. Is 142 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,639 that in compliance with the paved uh 143 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,199 allowables? 144 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:19,919 >> Um yes, thank you. I didn't hear 145 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:21,520 everything that I I heard your question, 146 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,039 but maybe there was something said 147 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,759 before that, but um yes, their 148 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,080 preliminary calculations show that 149 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,759 they're comp they would be in compliance 150 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,319 with their maximum paved area, but it's 151 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:34,080 not something that we've completely 152 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,080 verified yet just because we don't ask 153 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,639 for all of those um details. But 154 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,800 preliminary calculations look like they 155 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,400 would um be in compliance and the code 156 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,800 would allow some um exclusion of that 157 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,479 driveway. Um, so but it's something we 158 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,720 would definitely check with a formal 159 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,909 designer view. 160 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:00,720 » Yeah. And just I know that the ADU is 161 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,400 separate. Um, but what's the square 162 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,400 footage of the week? 163 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,039 >> Well, I think it's about 1,200 square 164 00:07:07,039 --> 00:07:09,039 feet. 165 00:07:09,039 --> 00:07:10,800 Maybe I don't have the planet that plan 166 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,479 in front of me though. I was it just 167 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:15,680 looked larger than than 168 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,919 >> 1250 for 1250. Okay, that's that's my 169 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:21,599 >> for you. 170 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:23,280 >> Okay. Any other question? 171 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:23,599 >> Yes, 172 00:07:23,599 --> 00:07:28,560 >> I have one. I think I read conflicting information 173 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,919 that it was a 4700ish square foot home 174 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:35,199 and that 4,000 was approved, but there's 175 00:07:35,199 --> 00:07:38,000 some or uh in keeping with the code, but 176 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,520 then I thought I read someplace else 177 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,560 that we needed a And uh what am I 178 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,639 saying? An adjustment for that. 179 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:46,080 >> Um yeah, Sarah can better explain it, 180 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,919 but yeah, there's I'm assuming there's 181 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:50,400 the uh resident size exception. And 182 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,080 again, this is just a formula based 183 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,479 thing. So it depends on their lot size 184 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:56,720 and it just allows people to use more of 185 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 their allowable TFA. So I I believe 186 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,039 that's the case. Is that correct, Sarah? 187 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:04,160 >> It was 47ishund00 Sarah. That's 188 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,360 >> I believe so. Um I can look really 189 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:07,759 quickly. 190 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,960 >> I am. It's 4 4736 191 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,520 ft. 192 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,960 >> Yeah. 193 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Um, sorry. I'm going to close that 194 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,639 really quick so I can look. Sorry, I'm 195 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,759 not used to doing this on the computer. 196 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,560 >> No worry. 197 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,759 >> Um, I believe. 198 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,000 >> Yeah. So, 199 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,159 sorry. I was just going to say I was 200 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:33,440 just looking at the property information 201 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,000 in the back on the last page and that 202 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,159 shows it's on page 12 of the staff 203 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,880 report and it shows that um with an 204 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,640 exception uh that they're allowed up to 205 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,320 4735 206 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,120 roughly square feet. Um and they're 207 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,440 showing to be just a bit under that and 208 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,080 the ADU or I'm sorry 800 square feet of 209 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,680 the ADU doesn't count towards the house 210 00:08:55,680 --> 00:09:00,150 or the total floor area. 211 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,839 So that as part of their formal design 212 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:03,279 review, they would include the resident 213 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,800 size exception and that exception is 214 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,440 does not trigger any special review does 215 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,519 not trigger planning commission review. 216 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:12,480 >> It's a calculation. 217 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,959 >> It's just simply a a a calculation of 218 00:09:14,959 --> 00:09:21,190 lot area. 219 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,240 » Any other questions? 220 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,040 Yep. I know at this time uh lighting 221 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,279 plan is not required but I thought I had 222 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:31,120 also read someplace that something was 223 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,880 included on the elevations but am I 224 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,240 mistaken in that 225 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,080 >> there's nothing included as far 226 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,760 >> yet on the other on the ADU but should I 227 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,440 say that's not 228 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,800 >> uh yeah there's nothing for lighting 229 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,519 sorry in uh in this submitt uh but in 230 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:47,519 the ADU there's reference to the 231 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:50,160 elevations maybe that's 232 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,080 >> or you know what there might actually be 233 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,680 lighting 234 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,760 on there on on the elevations, but I 235 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,839 don't think it's 236 00:09:57,839 --> 00:09:59,680 the symbol. I think it's from the 80 237 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:00,640 when we were designing the whole 238 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,920 building, the whole site, it was 239 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,279 included, but we haven't put reference 240 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:05,360 and a lighting plan in for for this 241 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:05,839 building yet. 242 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:08,640 >> Yeah, you have pictures in the planet, 243 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,480 but you don't have a lighting plan. 244 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,160 >> No, no. 245 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,920 >> Yeah. And I'll just 246 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,519 >> I'll just add that on like the 247 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:17,920 elevations, you can kind of see like So, 248 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,720 these are lights, but we don't have any 249 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,480 more detail than that 250 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:27,440 >> at this time. Go. Thank you. 251 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Now I see him. 252 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,590 >> Any other questions? 253 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,320 » Um, only question for me is having um 254 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,160 reviewed story poles on site. the north 255 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,279 west corner of the garage, the rear 256 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,000 right corner of the garage looked to be 257 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,320 I wasn't clear in my mind um whether it 258 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,240 was close to the setback on the setback 259 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,800 or whether it was um meeting this 260 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,440 small percentage rule. 261 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,880 >> Are you talking about this portion 262 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:03,440 maybe? 263 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,399 >> Yes. Yeah, I think um and maybe Dan can 264 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,320 clarify, but I believe that so this part 265 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,079 is like an overhang, 266 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:12,880 >> which um is allowed to extend into a 267 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,480 setback and this dash line is the 268 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,560 setback line. So 269 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,160 >> um 270 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,519 we'll have to double check and make sure 271 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:21,200 that that's meeting, you know, the 272 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,720 maximum out they can extend into that 273 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,720 setback. But um I think that's what 274 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,320 that's showing there. 275 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,440 >> You go six feet from a rear setback, 276 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:30,720 three feet into a side. 277 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,040 >> Yep. This is a side technically, but 278 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,240 yeah, 279 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,760 >> and the same thing applies on the other 280 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,680 buildings. 281 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,079 >> Yeah, for eaves or overhangs. Yes. 282 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:41,760 >> And the and you might see the ADU in a 283 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,079 setback, whereas those are up to 800 284 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:48,389 square feet can go into the setback. 285 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:50,480 » And then I did see the note in your 286 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,800 report about um plate height for the 287 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,720 garage needing to be reviewed before 288 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,480 formal. 289 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Um yes, there there may have been I 290 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,160 think it was either a plate height or an 291 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,040 overall height that exceeded 17. So 292 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,959 something that they'll have to um adjust 293 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:08,160 because um you don't we don't want them 294 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:14,150 to exceed the height. 295 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,120 » Okay. All right. And no more questions? 296 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,920 Nope. Nope. All right. With that, we'll 297 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,440 move to um 298 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,839 I've lost my copy of the script, so I 299 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:30,949 coincident 300 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:35,430 presentation. Um 301 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,760 » uh we we don't have a other than what 302 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,279 we've heard. We don't have uh an 303 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,279 additional uh any additional materials 304 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,120 to present. Um other than to say we're 305 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,040 excited about the project. It's a uh 306 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,320 we've been working on it for quite a 307 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,560 while and um we're excited about the way 308 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:52,320 it kind of addresses the site issues and does something for their family that 309 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,639 they're pretty excited about. Um we've 310 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:56,320 looked at second floors and basements. 311 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:57,519 We've been all over the place with 312 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:59,200 everything and kind of settled on this 313 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,000 more uh simplified uh you know kind of 314 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,519 strip back approach that we're taking 315 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,680 here. Thank you. But I'm available for 316 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:06,320 questions. We're 317 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,760 >> all right. Well, let's let's move just 318 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,120 to that to see if there are any 319 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,360 questions from the board. So, um, 320 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,519 >> questions I had off. So, yeah, I'm just 321 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:17,120 clarifying the amount of windows. 322 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,720 There's a ton of windows and we all love 323 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,480 to have that much lighting and I was 324 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,079 kind of a little bit confused on the 325 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:23,680 orientation. So, they're going to face 326 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:25,279 up toward the Putin or they're going to 327 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,519 face down toward Mission. 328 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:29,600 >> So, the the great majority of the glass 329 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,839 is facing out of that courtyard. Uh the 330 00:13:31,839 --> 00:13:34,320 buildings are or oriented due east west 331 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,279 and so uh this the south the the long 332 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:38,720 faces of the buildings are facing south 333 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,680 to take advantage of sun. Um and so yeah 334 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:42,959 most of the glass is facing onto that 335 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:44,560 little courtyard with smaller openings 336 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,800 facing away towards neighboring 337 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:47,760 properties. 338 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,519 >> Thank you. 339 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,279 >> And I'm I'm assuming because you have so 340 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,079 much sunlight there. Beautiful. Um there 341 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:56,399 you're you're doing the solar right on 342 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:57,120 the roof. 343 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,160 >> You know we haven't actually talked 344 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,440 about solar yet. So, I assume there 345 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,760 would be some involved. It's it's ample 346 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,680 uh access to it, but I would have to 347 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,040 talk to them about it. We haven't 348 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,160 actually gotten to that yet. 349 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,680 >> There's a certain building code 350 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,600 requirement for some minimal solar, so 351 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,560 they have to address that at the 352 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,959 building permit stage. 353 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:16,079 >> It's a perfect spot. 354 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:17,680 >> Yeah, it is. We've got a lot of access 355 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:19,839 other than the trees. It's a We've got a 356 00:14:19,839 --> 00:14:21,040 lot of access. 357 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,440 >> Do encourage you to do a solar study. It 358 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,120 might change the sighting of the 359 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,839 building in terms of maximizing solar. 360 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,560 That's true. Um there's not much we can 361 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 do based on the setbacks and the trees 362 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,800 on the property lines. There's kind of 363 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,120 like no other way. We've we've really 364 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,120 focused on focusing it towards the 365 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,680 center of the site rather than uh you 366 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,839 know uh spreading things out or around 367 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:45,680 towards the property lines. So we kind 368 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,279 of locked into looking inwards on this. 369 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:50,800 Um but I think there's probably ample 370 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,120 access to to sun from the north side of 371 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,199 the site over the trees. I would think 372 00:14:55,199 --> 00:15:02,310 we should do a study though. I agree. 373 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Um, and I know that while the ADU is not 374 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,079 part of this review, um, assure me that 375 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:10,399 the style and material pallet and 376 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:12,320 everything between ADU and main house is 377 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:12,880 consistent. 378 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,870 >> It's the same thing. Yes. 379 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,240 » Um, yeah. Great. No other questions for 380 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,519 me. 381 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:22,959 >> Cool. 382 00:15:22,959 --> 00:15:23,600 >> No. 383 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,079 >> Wow. 384 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:28,000 >> Good. Left the trees alone. 385 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,030 >> Thank you. 386 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,160 » Yeah. No, 387 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,519 >> I was almost there. 388 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,079 >> Public comments. Yes. So again, we at 389 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:40,079 this point we invite anyone in the 390 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:42,720 public in the room. No online. 391 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,550 >> No one online. 392 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,279 » Um which point we move to board more 393 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,040 board deliberation on this project. 394 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,590 Who'd like to kick us off? 395 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,880 I can I can the one thing and from going 396 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,480 with what some of your neighbors said 397 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,639 about um the screening um 398 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,639 >> the the the screening of the project 399 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:10,160 particularly because um the pool is out 400 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,399 front. I mean, I see why you did it like 401 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:15,199 that, but it would be helpful, I think, 402 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:18,959 um, we don't necessarily have to see the 403 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:21,279 landscape plans, but perhaps if you 404 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,519 could start particularly like along like 405 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,440 where the Putinham Putnham's property 406 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,920 are, grow some trees now, you know, 407 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,480 instead of waiting until the very end to 408 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,720 do the landscaping, you know, put some 409 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:37,120 oak so that or and do a nice screening 410 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,360 so that people when they're driving by, 411 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,800 they're not going to see the lawn and 412 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,320 the pool. I mean, hopefully they won't 413 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,560 be able to see any of that. So, I would 414 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,079 be interested in seeing just um a little 415 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:50,160 bit of a landscaping plan when the time 416 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,839 is right. 417 00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:54,800 >> Right. Respond. Uh uh we are working on 418 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,160 developing a landscape plan with a 419 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,759 landscape architect. So, uh we would be 420 00:16:57,759 --> 00:17:00,160 able to show you that. Um she we've got 421 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,759 an actually developed landscape plan. We 422 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:02,880 have to make a few changes for some 423 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,160 things we've done on site, but we can 424 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,600 show you something as soon as a couple 425 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,480 of weeks, I would imagine. 426 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,160 >> That's great. But I I would urge you if 427 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,480 you could plant some things sooner. 428 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,839 >> There are private there are privets in 429 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,160 existing um fruit trees and things. 430 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,839 We're not intending to uh to remove 431 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,280 those. I think they like some of those 432 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,039 things. And the privets tend to grow as 433 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:20,480 screening pretty well. So I think 434 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,880 there's a effort to kind of extend those 435 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880 around a little bit further. Uh I think 436 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,000 in the effort for for both neighbors to give everybody a little bit of 437 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,640 privacy. 438 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,160 >> And correct me if I'm wrong, but in 439 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,080 addition to the gate, there's also an 440 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,240 opaque fence. Right. 441 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,080 >> There is the gate that we're proposing. 442 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,360 We're not proposing to change any of the 443 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:38,080 fences around. 444 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,600 >> No, but there's a there's a fence that 445 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,039 does go around the property with. 446 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,120 >> There's one on the Which side is that? 447 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,160 That's going to be the west side. 448 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,200 There's a a CMU wall. Uh so there's 449 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,960 actually a solid wall there for the that 450 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,480 the neighbor has. The rest of it is 451 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,840 mostly open open fencing. So there's no 452 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,880 uh nothing opaque. 453 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,640 >> Got it. Just when I was at the site, it 454 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,679 didn't seem like you would be able to 455 00:17:57,679 --> 00:17:59,440 see the pool from the road. 456 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,400 >> Yeah, I think I think you you probably 457 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,480 could if there was no screening. Uh it is elevated a little bit. It's about 458 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,679 the center of the site. We're trying to 459 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:10,240 equal kind of uh minimize cut and fill 460 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,559 by kind of doing it all on site. Um but 461 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:14,000 there I think there is a chance that you 462 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,600 could see something coming around that 463 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,760 bend. So I think screening is is a good 464 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,280 idea. 465 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,679 >> I think 466 00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:23,039 um you can correct me if I'm wrong. Is 467 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:25,440 the fence uh the gate is solid now? Is 468 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:25,679 it? 469 00:18:25,679 --> 00:18:28,080 >> No, the gates open mesh 470 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,760 >> in the new plan, but in the existing one 471 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,400 it's a solid. 472 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,520 >> Yeah, the existing one. So that's that's 473 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,600 what I was getting at. So, so it's right 474 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,280 now you don't see as much into the site 475 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:35,919 where that won't 476 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,120 >> That's true. You actually can't see it 477 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,039 from Yeah. for the the existing site, 478 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:40,320 but you will because the fence will be 479 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:47,750 open or the gate will be open. 480 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:58,630 » No, I I commend you for having one story 481 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,120 with 482 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,789 a 483 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:05,679 Thank you. 484 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:08,960 >> No, it's what a beautiful piece of 485 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,320 >> It's a great little piece of property. 486 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,669 Yeah. 487 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:16,960 » For me? No. 488 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,799 >> No. I've been by the property and it 489 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:20,640 looks like a very suitable adaptation of 490 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,630 the use of it. Great plan. 491 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,400 » I concur. 492 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:28,799 Sure. 493 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:30,640 >> I do have a code question for Sage 494 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,559 though that came up to mind. 495 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:35,039 >> Um yeah, from my perspective I again I 496 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:37,440 mean I echo 497 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,960 I share's comments on on the simplicity 498 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,080 and modesty of the property. 499 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,039 We often are asked to review properties 500 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:51,520 that are much grander scale. Um 501 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,840 pallet color palette selection standing 502 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,080 seam metal roof. I think these are all 503 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,840 like nice choices relative to the 504 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,679 residential design design guidelines for 505 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:02,080 the town. Um 506 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,760 placement of the house on the property I 507 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:10,400 think is good. Um yeah. No, I think it's uh well considered for the 508 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,080 property. So I'm supportive. 509 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,280 Um with that we can put it to a vote. So 510 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:17,520 uh 511 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,400 >> I just I had a quick question for Sage. 512 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,120 If somebody has a nonforming gate that 513 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,120 might have been put in well before our 514 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:28,159 recent gate code, are they entitled to 515 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:29,520 replace it with a 516 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,039 >> replacing it? No, the code is 517 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:32,960 interesting with gates. It actually 518 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,039 specifically says that you have to when 519 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:37,280 you replace it essentially you have to 520 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,679 conform to the requirements of the 521 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:41,200 chapter. So it says something along 522 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,120 those lines. So sometimes people just 523 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,720 keep their solid gates but otherwise 524 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,080 when replacing it it should be 525 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,919 compliant. It's kind of unique compared 526 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:50,559 to say your building. Um if it's 527 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:52,320 non-conforming, you can replace that 528 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,799 where it is. So a little bit different 529 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:55,600 for gates. 530 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,200 >> And the new one will be six and a half, 531 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,159 not 8 ft. 532 00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:00,640 >> Uh yeah, the six feet is maximum for G 533 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,960 gates and fences. And so so you'd have 534 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,320 to hold to the minimum and then you have 535 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:12,870 to be at least 40% open for a gate. 536 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,120 So, the property is um they installed 537 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,640 story poles. Um I didn't hear any 538 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,520 recommended changes for the project. Um 539 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,240 the ASRB, well, sorry, I should take 540 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,640 that back. Um the ASRB commended the 541 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,520 applicant uh for providing a one-story 542 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,320 design with a low building profile um 543 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,720 and using color and materials that are 544 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,159 consistent with the residential design 545 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:38,400 guidelines and surrounding area. Um 546 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,880 there is a recommendation uh for the 547 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,240 applicant to uh apply landscape 548 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,159 screening along the eastern property 549 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:48,960 line uh to help screen the pool from the 550 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,720 driveway on the adjacent the road 551 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,799 Mission Trail Road. Um, and with that 552 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,360 installed story polls. Uh, so if there 553 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,919 aren't any other comments, um, or if 554 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,360 there are any comments, please let me 555 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,360 know. Then otherwise, the ASRB can 556 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,360 decide if it should go to staff or 557 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,960 formal design review or come back to the 558 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,470 ASRB. 559 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,240 » Considering our consensus of quietness, 560 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,880 I would recommend a formal design with 561 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,520 staff. 562 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,310 >> Want to make that a motion? 563 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:29,200 due to the No, I'm not I motion to move 564 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,799 this project to formal staff. 565 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,880 >> I would second the motion. 566 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:35,679 >> Chair Lindseay, 567 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:36,080 >> yes. 568 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,280 >> Vice Chair Comra, 569 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:37,679 >> yes. 570 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:38,799 >> Member Delgavio, 571 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:39,200 >> yes. 572 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,880 >> Member Middleman, 573 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,280 >> yes. 574 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,720 >> And member Sullivan, 575 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,470 >> yes. 576 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,840 You'll receive a letter in the next day 577 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,840 or two outlining what just occurred for 578 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,360 and the next steps. 579 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:52,559 >> Thank you everyone. 580 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:53,919 >> Thank you. 581 00:22:53,919 --> 00:22:54,640 >> Go home early. 582 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,480 >> Congratulations. 583 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280 >> Thanks Sarah. 584 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,600 >> Good. All right. Closing the public 585 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,480 hearing and uh director's reports, two 586 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:04,960 of them. 587 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,360 >> Uh yes. Um I'll just kind of primarily 588 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,039 focus on December um given that that and 589 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,360 provides our housing numbers for the 590 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,159 year. Um, so not amazing, but definitely 591 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:19,360 not bad. Um, and so there's a total of 592 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:24,720 23 ADUs uh for permits issued in 2025. 593 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,720 11 for single family dwellings, which is 594 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,880 a little bit higher than usual. And the 595 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,559 23 ADUs is right up there with kind of 596 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,320 what we've been seeing over the last few 597 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,240 years. Um, and I'll just remind 598 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,159 everybody that the target ADU production 599 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,320 um, for this housing element cycle is 15 600 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,640 per year. So every year we've been doing 601 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,600 over 20. Um so that's good news just to 602 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,679 kind of see that some of our you know 603 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,080 changes to our codes obviously along 604 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,679 with state laws um have been helping uh 605 00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:58,720 make it more flexible for people to uh 606 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240 construct ADUs and um we're working with 607 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,799 the town attorney's office and we'll be 608 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:06,640 bringing back even further changes to 609 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,880 the ADU ordinance in the first quarter 610 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,000 of 2026 um just to ensure that we're 611 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,679 compliant with everything in state law 612 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:16,080 and um to provide probably even more 613 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,110 flexibility when appropriate. 614 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,880 » I have two questions. 615 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,880 >> Um 616 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,559 the first, if we project these numbers 617 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,400 out for the rest of the venus cycle, 618 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320 where do where does it bring us with our 619 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,200 numbers? 620 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,360 >> I don't know off the top of my head, but 621 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:37,520 um it probably gets us pretty close um 622 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,559 to the numbers. I I I think you'd still 623 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,080 have some concern with hitting above 624 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,919 moderate um numbers. Um and then also 625 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:49,679 it's dependent on how HCD uh looks at 626 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:53,360 affordability for ADUs. Um every year 627 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:57,679 they're kind of continue to 628 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:01,200 talk about um not using the Abag study 629 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,279 which is what's been relied upon for 630 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,200 some jurisdictions in the past. It's a 631 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,440 formulaic way of distributing the ADU at 632 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,799 income levels. Um and so that's 633 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,400 something that we just need to keep eye 634 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,880 on every year. Uh but at the end of the 635 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,960 day, it's always important to remember 636 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,360 that it's not just the numbers that we 637 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,600 need to hit, but all the different goals 638 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,919 and strategies of the housing element 639 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:26,000 because they implement different housing 640 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,480 types. Um and so that's something that's 641 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,960 still very important. Um and uh so but 642 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,799 the above moderate numbers and single 643 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,080 family dwellings, you know, that's 644 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,440 something that we need to keep an eye on 645 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,480 as well. Um but uh at some point uh more 646 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,480 of the ADUs will be counting probably 647 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,440 towards above moderate. Anyway, 648 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,960 >> then my second question um in the last 649 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,960 housing element cycle we had to we were 650 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,880 told to bring that number down for the 651 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600 year. 652 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,919 Is there in those discussions was there 653 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,840 appetite that if we showed that we could 654 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,440 beat a higher number that we could use 655 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,840 it in the next cycle or the latter half 656 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,559 of the cycle? 657 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,000 >> Yeah, we'll have to see what they do 658 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 next cycle. So what happened at the last 659 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,799 cycle was 660 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,200 there there was a lot there from my 661 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,000 recollection there was 662 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,720 concern that if you used more than the 663 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,039 four-year average the four years prior 664 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,120 to that housing element cycle then there 665 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,720 would probably be a much larger 666 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,320 potential that they would not allow you 667 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,200 to rely on that a bag study and income 668 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,600 distribution. Um so therefore the town 669 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,039 you know and it was a low average in particular it 670 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,760 was the first year of COVID was in that 671 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,400 cycle um whereas there was no exception 672 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,039 for that but we did see a drop in 673 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,720 production that year and so uh 15 units 674 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,400 was the average moving forward in the 675 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200 next cycle if we're hitting 22 average 676 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,760 or something like that um we'll just 677 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,400 have to see what the regulations are and 678 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,080 the requirements are for the new housing 679 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,320 cycle. Um before I'd make any 680 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,919 assumptions. 681 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,279 >> And Sage, what's going on with the 682 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:14,799 Butler property? 683 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,559 >> Um the applicants just continuing to 684 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,799 kind of submit information. 685 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:25,360 Um the the next steps is, you know, 686 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,000 getting the application deemed complete. 687 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,400 Um the SQA work has been initiated 688 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,880 although cannot be completed until all 689 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840 of the information submitted. Um the 690 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,760 town is working on a uh master sewer 691 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,159 study. Um and so that's looking at 692 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,799 capacity for the town center. Um and 693 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:48,400 this property would need to connect to 694 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,880 the town center assessment district. Uh 695 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,120 so it's likely that there is capacity. 696 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,960 It's something that's um 697 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960 probably not an issue for this project, 698 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,480 but that it's something that they're 699 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,600 completing to have the hard evidence and 700 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600 that's part of what this project needs 701 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,200 to understand if it can connect to 702 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,640 sewer. So part of the project is waiting 703 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,640 for the town study which would probably 704 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,679 be they're guessing March maybe April to 705 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:18,320 have that completed. 706 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Do any of the new 2026 housing laws 707 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,799 apply to the Butler project or the other 708 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,559 high net projects in 709 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,000 >> they are we asking the questions right 710 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,720 now they're not proposing anything at 711 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,640 any restricted income level. 712 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,640 >> No I just remember that one of the law I 713 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,640 can't remember the details but it 714 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,120 alleviated some of the SQL requirements. 715 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,440 >> Uh something I'm I'm looking at those 716 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600 new laws. Um there's about four of them 717 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760 I think that are most in that are 718 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 something that we need to closely look 719 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440 at a little bit further. Um so we'll be 720 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,000 double checking that. Um it's it's the 721 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,799 subdivision itself. Um it's not 722 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,480 necessarily 723 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 uh the development the development for 724 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,279 at least the multif family housing was 725 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,799 something contemplated with the housing 726 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,840 element um uh EIR whereas the proposed 727 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 subdivision and the additional single 728 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,559 family residences were not contemplated. 729 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,760 So some type of the consultants are 730 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,360 looking at what type of secret document 731 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,279 would come out of this whether it's some 732 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,640 type of addendum or you know uh maybe 733 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,960 not the need for a full-blown EI given 734 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200 some reliance on a town's EIR study that 735 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,630 was already completed. 736 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,240 » Last but not least, how about that other 737 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,720 Putinham project that was 738 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600 >> um so there's uh two kind of different 739 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,919 ones. There's the subdivision at 11:01 740 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:44,320 Kenyatta. Um so they are just satisfying 741 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200 their conditions uh to get their permits 742 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,080 to construct the private road. Um so to 743 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,840 demolish what's out there and construct 744 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,520 the private road. That's actually 745 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,720 something that they need to do and 746 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120 complete before the final map gets 747 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,360 recorded. So the tenative map has been 748 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,760 approved. They have this construction 749 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240 permit there. They should be starting to 750 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,520 work on that in the spring and then um 751 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,840 sometime shortly after that uh 752 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,440 presumably it would go to council. 753 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760 really just looks to make sure 754 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,679 that all the conditions are complied 755 00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,440 with. So it's not rehashing the 756 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,960 discussion. It's really saying, "Hey, 757 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,480 you were supposed to do this. Did you do 758 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 it?" And if they did, then the final map 759 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,640 can be approved and recorded with the 760 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,440 county. 761 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,720 >> Is it determined that they're going to 762 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,799 build the all Putnhams are going to 763 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,440 >> They haven't submitted for any permits. 764 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,240 um you know depending who I believe 765 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640 they're trying to sell it and so it just 766 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120 I think depends on who whether that's 767 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,960 bought individually or someone buys the 768 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120 whole thing. Um we just don't have any 769 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,640 of that firm information. 770 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,399 >> You said there was a second one. 771 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,679 >> Oh, sorry. They just had uh I it was 772 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:53,120 planning commission. Um there's parcels 773 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,880 up at the top at the end of Mission 774 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,159 Trail that back up to the I280 and that 775 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:01,120 project um there was a restrict when 776 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,960 that property was subdivided many years 777 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,919 ago. There was a 100 foot setback from 778 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,799 the freeway placed on those properties 779 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,760 and that coincided with an old code and 780 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,600 general plan requirement that required a 781 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120 200t setback from the I280. So when they 782 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,919 did the map, they received a variance to 783 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,559 only do the 100 ft. That got recorded on 784 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,520 the property. Since then, the town has 785 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,960 taken that setback off of most of the 786 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,600 properties along the I280. It still is 787 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,919 along some of them like on more road, 788 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,600 some of the larger properties still have 789 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,440 that restriction. Um 790 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,399 >> 100 for 200 791 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:41,919 >> for 200. Um and uh but it does so that 792 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,399 no longer by code or general plan apply 793 00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:46,480 to these properties. So, it's a matter 794 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,240 of getting that um easement restriction 795 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,240 abandoned by the town. So, the planning 796 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,559 commission looked at that and found it 797 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,159 the abandonment consistent with the 798 00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,559 general plan and they're doing some 799 00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,919 technical things. We'll go to the 800 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:04,470 council for the final decision on that. 801 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,230 you know how 802 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,320 » yeah it's it's what what you saw with 803 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,200 the size of the properties is that um it 804 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,840 created a very tiny building envelope 805 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,080 with the front and side setbacks. Uh so 806 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,360 then it probably would have triggered 807 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,039 them to push something into another 808 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,320 setback somewhere else. Uh and so given 809 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,919 that I think it provides a more 810 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:28,640 realistic flexibility and whoever 811 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,600 designs home out there will probably 812 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,919 their own accord try to stay as far away 813 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,799 from the freeway noise as possible. 814 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,919 So just just as a matter of process so I 815 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:41,679 understand what you said if the town 816 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:45,600 removes setback requirement 817 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,679 >> that it the required variances or I was 818 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,039 trying to follow it 819 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,039 >> each individual property that has to go 820 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,240 and get that vacated 821 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640 >> they they this got recorded on the 822 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,000 parcel map 823 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,559 >> I see 824 00:32:58,559 --> 00:32:59,840 >> and so that's what they're getting 825 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,159 vacated and so the code is already 826 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:03,600 changed but they still have this 827 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840 restriction placed on these particular 828 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,159 property. 829 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,640 >> So if they wanted a bell, 830 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,360 >> I see. 831 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,880 >> So what they're doing is get rid of 832 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,399 getting rid of that recorded 833 00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:15,120 restriction. Um and then from there they 834 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,230 just follow the code. 835 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,870 » That's so much fun at work. 836 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,399 » Thank you very much. 837 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,080 >> 5:00. Um, one thing I just want to 838 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,000 notice, I do want to um, just let 839 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,320 everyone know um, that the town is 840 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,720 accepting applications uh, for planning 841 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,000 commission districts one and three. Um, 842 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,480 I forget which one, one of the members 843 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,159 has moved out of the district, so that's 844 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,760 probably open. And then 845 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,000 >> the other the other member, I'm just not 846 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,039 sure if they're going to run again. But 847 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,200 in either case, anyone can apply. So 848 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,880 pass the word around. Um, if you know 849 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,799 anyone in districts one and three and 850 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,159 they're interested in um 851 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:00,559 I'd have to double check. I just I know 852 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:12,230 these districts can one 853 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,560 » or Yeah. So, yeah, we can just we can 854 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,000 double check. They can call the town. We 855 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,639 can double check. 856 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,320 >> There are maps posted online. 857 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,560 >> Yes, that as well. Yep. 858 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,800 >> Okay.