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Okay, let's call the town council

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meeting of February 10th, 2026 to order.

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Jen, will you take role?

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>> Council member Aberish. Council member

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>> here. Council

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>> member Gold, Council Member Wall, Mayor

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Donowski

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>> here. Council member Aberish, will you

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lead us in the pledge of allegiance?

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Thank you, sir.

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Moving on to communications. Uh, this is

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public comment, so persons wishing to

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address the council in any matter not on

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the published agenda are invited to do

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so. Please note, however, that the

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council is not able to undertake any

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extended discussions or act on

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non-aggendaized items. Such issues can

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be referred to staff for a future agenda

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placement. This period is limited to

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five persons, three minutes each. Is

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there anyone in the audience that would

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like to speak on any issue not on the

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published agenda?

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Seeing none and seeing none in the Zoom

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room, we will move on. Uh we are

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fortunate tonight to have a presentation

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from the youth civics program. And I

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believe Moira, am I handing this off to

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you? Okay.

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All right. Hi, council members. Um, we

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have now concluded our youth, our first

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Woodside youth civics program, and we

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wanted to share a little bit about the

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program with you, but it was very

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successful. It was so much fun. Um, just

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a reminder, it was grades 3rd through

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6th. It was five days over five weeks

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and we covered basic town governance. We

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covered um safety and emergency

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preparedness. We covered businesses and

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local nonprofits um and kind of how

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everything works together. And we did a

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mock town council meeting um and the

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topic was whether a um it was Oak Meadow

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Ice Cream could um open up their

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business in the meadow over here. And it

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was um de uh the planning commission

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said no. And so it was appealed to town

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council and that was what these kids um

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some of them played members of town

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council, some of them were Oak Meadow

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ice cream, some of them were um

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environmental groups that were opposed

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to cutting down the oak trees. So um it

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was a really successful program. Um and

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some of our uh students have prepared um

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things to share about the program.

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Hi Woodside. I'm Grant Simcover and I go

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to Woodside School and I am in third

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grade. I love doing the youth civics

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program. If it felt good to get a say in

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the debate and get to learn all about

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Woodside. A special thank you to Mora

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for putting on this program and making

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it so fun. I learned so much.

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Hi, my name is Callie Berman and I go to

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Woodside school at third grade. I loved

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the Woodside civics because it was so

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fun. My favorite part was pretending to

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be a real town council, meeting and

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learning about how the decisions are

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discussed and made.

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Um, my name is Alex and and I'm in third

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grade and and one thing I enjoyed about

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the civics program was um you got the opportunity to like be on the town

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council and you got to make decisions

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like a real town council member.

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» I am Andre Jing I mean fifth grade. I I

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really thank you for giving us a chance

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to learn how our town government works.

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Thank you guys so much.

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>> Well, and thank you all. Very special

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thank you to our young residents for

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your interest in participating in this

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program and learning a little bit about

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how local government serves the

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community. Uh I'll be interested to

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learn more about your favorite parts of

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uh which role you thought was the

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favorite. Um and a special thank you to

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the volunteer committee for uh this

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inaugural effort. This is a lot of work.

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Thank you all. Uh and very creative and

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wonderful to see. Uh, I also want to

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acknowledge council member Wall and

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former mayor Shaw and town men manager

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Led Better for their participation. Uh,

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really a wonderful thing and uh, really

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a wonderful step forward. So, thank you

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all for your leadership and involvement

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and uh, you don't mind, I'd love to come

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shake your hand. So,

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» and we have certificates for completing

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the program for you guys.

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want to go there?

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>> He's telling us to go over here.

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>> Okay, we get the the committee.

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>> Sure.

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Okay, three, two, one. Smile everyone.

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Lots of pictures.

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» Perfect. Thank you very much.

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» You left him hanging. You left him

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hanging. Don't leave him hanging.

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This is this is Stalia Luben. I just

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want to add one thing uh that Chris Shaw

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did a great job as mayor and in fact we

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were talking he and I were talking at at

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the end of the meeting and he said maybe

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we should think about doing something

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like this for adults. Um because a lot

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of he said the same thing. I I get

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people at the store saying, "Oh, you

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know about the town. Tell me this." and uh he says maybe we should do an

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adult class and actually Melissa told me

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that Half Moon Bay actually has a

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similar program. So we're going to put

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our thinking caps on and maybe next year

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we'll we'll do two programs.

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>> Interesting. Well, thank you.

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>> Nice.

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Well, moving right along. We've got

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appointments for planning commission for

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districts one and three and uh

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I think that's if everyone's all right

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with that, we'll just jump over and do

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town appointments first while we wait

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for Commissioner Gar to arrive.

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>> Uh so who do which which of you lovely

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subappoint committee folks are

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>> happy to let Paul have the floor.

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Um Okay. So um we had an extensive uh

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agenda here. Every year we go through

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and um ask the committees for reports.

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not mistaken. Maybe it was seven of the

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nine. I think I got that. Um and for the

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most part they are reappoint requests

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from I'm not going to go through them

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because it's in the packet, but they're

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reappoint requests for livestock and

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equin recreation committee trails

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committee etc. all the way through.

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and we should probably take those in. By

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the way, the committee um uh recommends

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that the reappoint requests be honored.

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some attendance issues. There always

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are. Um most of them were excusable or

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excused. Uh there were some hardship

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cases uh for for the few that actually

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were issues. But in every single case,

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the chair of the committees had

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recommended uh were supporting the

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reappoints on these. and they also gave

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a uh um a little bit of summary of what

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was going on in their committees and I

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wanted to thank them for that. So the

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two that we have um are uh and we should

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probably take them in order. Uh the

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first one is for uh the trails

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committee. Uh there are 15 members.

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reappointed as I mentioned. Those are

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u controversial. Uh but uh there's a new

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that correctly. Pichafuko. I don't know

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if I'm doing that correctly. Um and she

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did include and and comes with the um

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recommendation of the committee chair

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and uh based on that uh the

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recommendation is to approve her

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appointment to the trails committee. She

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would be the fifth person and there's

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two vacancies uh after after that. Do we

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need to do anything special or you want

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me to do these as a single motion?

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to be here tonight. Leanne Gilbert uh

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for the circulation committee. There are

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nine members uh in total. There are four

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that are expiring. Uh there's been a

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suggestion of a reappoint or

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recommendation that we reappoint um the

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four that are up. One of them is here

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tonight, Dan Duker. I see him in the

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back of the room. Um, and uh, there's

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one new applicant, and that, as I

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mentioned, is Leanne Gilbert. Um, and,

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uh, I'm not so sure that there's any

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controversies about any of this, but,

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there's any issues or discussions or I

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don't want to cut off Leanne if she

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wants to say anything, but I'll

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of the applicants? on either applicant.

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>> Then I think we are ready for a motion.

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Subcommittee.

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>> I would like to make a motion that we

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appoint Leanne Gilbert to the

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circulation committee and that we

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appoint uh Veronica

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to the trails committee.

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>> Council member Alberish.

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>> Council member Brown.

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>> Council member Gold.

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>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donowski.

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>> Yes. Thank you. And um thank you. Yes.

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Congratulations and welcome aboard

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>> I see Matt Gar in the Zoom room. So I

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think we're going to move into the uh

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interview and appointment of planning

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commissioners. And uh before we begin, I

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just want to acknowledge that uh this

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moment is usually one of these moments

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that I actually dread every year. And I think I'm not alone, particularly when

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we have three great candidates for two

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spots. Uh but uh we received some notice

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uh yesterday uh from Commissioner

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Atville who's in the room right now that

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he had withdrawn his application stating

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that he has tremendous respect for

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Commissioner Gar and Citizen Evans and

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uh that with that sincere interest he

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saw no reason to run against those

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proposed candidates. So um I just want

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to take a moment to thank Commissioner

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Apple for his service to the community.

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He was very gracious several years ago

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uh willing to step in uh in an out ofd

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district appointment and uh we're very

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appreciative of that and it was been an

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absolute honor to have you in that spot

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and we certainly hope that in district

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or out of district in the future that we

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get that opportunity again. So thank you

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again. Uh we will make sure to get a

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proclamation and an honor coin in your

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pocket in the next couple of weeks and

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uh and uh once again thank you for your

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service to the community on planning and trails over over the last eight

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years. really really appreciate it. Uh

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we're going to take the applicants now

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for uh planning commission in the order

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that they are listed on the agenda. So

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uh each applicant has the opportunity to

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speak. There'll be questions from

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council. We'll open it up to any

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questions or comments from public and

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then we will uh deliberate and vote with

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the two candidates that we have for

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these two spots. So uh Mr. Evans, you

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are up first. Welcome.

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>> Okay. Um, just want to thank uh the

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actually the previous planning

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commissions for doing a lot of the hard

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yards over the last couple years. The

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housing element and subsequent fallout

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from that was was not easy. Um, and so

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watching that uh gave me a lot of lot

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more respect for the planning commission

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than I had before. Not that I didn't

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have it, that was hard. Um, and late

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nights for those guys. Um, so for for

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this round, I really just feel like

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every citizen should do something for

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their town over time. Um, and this is

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actually a really good time for me. My

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18-year-old's going off to college, so I

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have little less kids at home. Works

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kind of slow right now, so I'm like,

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"Hey, I can actually do something." Um,

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so this is actually really good time.

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And Matt and company got through the

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hard stuff last year. So, um I just look

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forward to uh doing what I can to help

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the town and and really just like help

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folks who have to go to the planning

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commission just find a way to make it

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work. Um I think that's really the the

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town's codes and and uh

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guidance is really not hard to follow.

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Um but there's always as as we've sort

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of found out, there's nothing in this

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town that's straight or flat or easy to

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get around. So there's always going to

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be deviations. um there's always sort of

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way to find neutral ground and I know

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that the building department and

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planning department have have usually

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bring the planning commission very

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thoughtful recommendations and views on

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that. So let's look forward to do my

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part.

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>> Wonderful. Thank you very much. Uh

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questions for Mr. Evans.

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» Great. Mr. Evans, uh you're 100% right.

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There was a lot of work done in 2024.

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It was finalized in 24 but it started

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long before that.

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>> Yeah. So there's been a lot of done a

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lot of work done so far on the housing

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element.

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>> However, there is still a lot of hard

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work ahead of us

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>> um to implement the programs and other

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elements of our housing element. So just

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curious to hear your perspective on on

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the housing element and and how you

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would approach um the implementing

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portion of the hard work ahead of us.

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>> Yeah. So, you know, look looking at the

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overall uh goal of the element of

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adding, you know, over 300 units to

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Woodside, I just see it as really hard.

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Um, no matter what happens uh or what

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the state says or must be done you, it

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boils down to every individual owner of

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a lot has to decide what they want to do

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with their lot. And if we don't have

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hundreds of people who want to expand

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their lots, I'm not sure how it's going

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to change. Um so so a lot of the I know

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there in the in the process of the

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housing element there was a lot of sort

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of fear that things would really change

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radically. Um I I really I strug I

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really struggled to see how how we're

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going to achieve the 300 first of all.

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Um and then what's going to happen if

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the state says oh you have to do it and

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like well you can't make private

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citizens do what they don't want to do.

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So I I think what's the the challenge I

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see is actually at town council level um

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dealing with if the state decides to get

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draconian about you know thou shalt meet

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our goals um because I do think that the you know the town through these

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different processes have found a way to

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you know allow this to expand if we

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would but I just don't see anybody doing

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it. Um so I really see the challenge

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really on town council shoulders and

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less on some of the planning

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commissions.

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» Any other questions?

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you know, you you kind of hit on this

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out of the gates uh with your timing uh

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and why this is a good time for you to

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be able to give back. Uh you know, we

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had um as we do every time we do

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appointments, we had the attendance

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records sent to everybody on council and

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it was elucidating in a couple ways. One

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is that the planning commission is

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probably meeting 12 to 14 times a year

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now. So maybe every other meeting or so

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is almost canled at this point.

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>> Yeah. So there's a question there about

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maybe ultimately as subjective design

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review changes what can be absorbed from

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ASRB and we'll we'll see how that

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unfolds. That's not the question. Um but

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people in general because they live busy

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lives with work and family and town um

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missing three or four meetings a year

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out of those 12 to 14 and we only have

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five people on the council uh

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commission. So, um, your ability, you

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think, to meet, uh, the obligation, if

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you will, to be at these meetings

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engaged and informed and in attendance,

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I I'm just getting to know you a little

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bit, so I just I don't know. But, uh,

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how do you sort of think about how

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you're going to approach this and

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>> in terms of being engaged?

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>> Really, it's a a a it's about

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priorities, just sort of putting on the

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calendar and sort of mapping out sort of

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work constraints around it.

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in person as much as possible. And if

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you're not in person, then you can

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always be on Zoom, which is, you know,

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great since pandemic. Um, and secondly,

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I I uh just sort of more about me is I I

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tend to sleep four or five hours a

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night, and that's my normal.

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>> Um, and so there's a lot of time to do

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things like, you know, review decks and

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review uh people's proposals. That's,

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you know, when the rest of the world is

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sleeping, I do that. Um, and so I really

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see there's if if there's a meeting

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coming up, I kind of have two hours in

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the morning to myself to sort of do what

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I need to do. Um, and so that's what I

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would envision covering the research

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part because it is important for the

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planning commission to actually read um,

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everything and actually interact with

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the building and planning uh,

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departments of town to make sure you

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have the right questions asked so you're

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not coming in with one thought and then

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you're completely missing the actual

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point of the application. So I agree. I

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think it's possible.

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>> Thank you. Insomnia has

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>> and one and one less kid is so much

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time.

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>> It's what?

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>> So much time.

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My uh my my 18-year-old just is uh he

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takes he takes a lot of effort.

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>> Yeah. So, I get it. I'm a new empty

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neester myself. So, uh it's unbelievable

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what you can get done when you don't

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have children around. Um okay. Any other

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questions for Mr. Evans?

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Okay. Thank you. Well, Mr. Gar seeking

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reappoint, sir. Commissioner Gar.

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>> Hello.

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>> Hi.

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» So, why do you want to be reappointed,

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Mr. Gar?

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>> Why do I want to be reappointed? Um,

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I've had a lot of fun the last four

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years, plus or minus. Um, I mean, no, on

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a on a serious note, I mean, it's it's

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been, I think, a pleasure to to serve

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the town on on planning commission. Um,

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you know, a number of different issues.

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I think number one housing element has

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been

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it's been it's been interesting right um

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just balancing the needs of of the town

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to the state uh has been quite the uh

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quite the experience so to speak but I I

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think you know Woodside is is is is sort

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of going through what I what I think is

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an evolution in terms of how we respond

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um it's gone from you know when I joined

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it was in the wake of of some of the

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national news stories that we had

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and and I think we've found a little bit

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more pragmatic spot uh in terms of of

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where we sit. So, you know, in the time

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on the council, we've looked at or

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excuse me, commission. I've looked at

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how we approach more housing through

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things like ADUs. I've been through, you

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know, all of the the passionate

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discussions on multif family housing,

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where does that live, etc. Uh no pun

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intended. And and I think we're not done

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with that work, right? So I I still

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looking at things and as I've said in

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some of the meetings I think you know

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what is it six years from now we're

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still in a really bad spot and where you

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know if we look at the restrictions on

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building a town center for example uh we

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just don't have really a solution. We've

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sort of maxed out what we can do with

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the suboptimal sites that nobody was

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happy about. Uh, and so I'm, you know,

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quite passionate about both serving on

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the the TECAP as well as on planning

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commission to kind of work our ways

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through that. Um, so those are the

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things that I find kind of most most

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interesting and want to, you know,

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continue to represent um the talent on those aspects. And there's also, you

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know, the more kind of day-to-day

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projects as well.

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Uh, for those, I feel like in general,

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it's it's important to have a, you know,

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relatively objective approach to those

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and and be predictable. and that's what

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I try to do on the council or excuse me

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on the commission and and would like to

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continue to do that.

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>> Wonderful. Thank you.

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>> Welcome.

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>> Questions for Commissioner Gar?

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» In the spirit of fairness, I'll ask you

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the same question I asked uh Mr. Evans.

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So uh as you are well aware, there's

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been a ton of work done in the last few

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years to get to the point of having of

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having a housing element. what's your

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perspective on the next few years um

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where the attention is now turned to

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housing element compliance and and

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implementation?

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>> Yeah, I mean I think there's I think

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there's actually two main parts to that.

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There's what we do with the the one that

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we have now, you know, had uh had gone

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through and also how we prep for the

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next cycle. So, I think on the I I'll

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take the next cycle first, which is I

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mean I think they're making sure that we

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get something out of the the TCAP. Uh

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you know, there's going to I mean, my

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personal view on this is there's going

538
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,280
to need to be some decisions made or

539
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,679
potentially voter initiatives to just

540
00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,480
kind of change the the sort of overly

541
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,880
constrained problem set for for how we,

542
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,320
you know, set ourselves up for success

543
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,720
next time around. I think we heard from

544
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,720
a lot of um folks in the town how just I

545
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,400
mean no one likes the outcome or I don't

546
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,080
want to say no one but a lot of people

547
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,679
don't like the outcome. So I want to

548
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:17,679
make sure that we that we take those

549
00:22:17,679 --> 00:22:19,360
steps and frankly don't have what

550
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,320
happened the last time we did a town

551
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,159
center plan and it didn't really yield

552
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:25,840
anything. So I think we need to kind of

553
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,080
do better. Um so that's that's kind of

554
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,520
one thing. Um, on the the other bit, I

555
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,080
mean, we obviously need to

556
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,159
make progress on the on the uh the sites

557
00:22:38,159 --> 00:22:40,400
where the zoning has been has been

558
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,480
passed. Um, we all know that each of

559
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,559
those sites also isn't necessarily like

560
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,799
they they all have their challenges.

561
00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,840
>> Uh, so I think

562
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080
I don't know exactly how we do that. Uh,

563
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,080
but you know figuring out do we proceed

564
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,039
with them? Is that the right set of of

565
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:00,720
things? Do we look at other options and

566
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,120
try to make substitutions? I mean, I've recently moved to to Ray Mundo and,

567
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,400
you know, continued to look at the site

568
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,080
there and you just look at like the

569
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,559
economics of a a $2.5 million sewer

570
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:14,720
connection and a uh a seismic fault that

571
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,919
runs through the middle of the site and

572
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,159
it's like, is this going to work? So,

573
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,520
you know, we have these things, but I

574
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,200
think we need to to look at each of them

575
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,880
on its on its merits and figure out how

576
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,480
we go forward. and if it doesn't pencil

577
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,640
out, uh, we need to be willing to have

578
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,760
the conversations, figure out what else

579
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,880
to do.

580
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,960
>> So, on behalf of District 2, welcome to

581
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,320
District 2. Um, spanning from Wonderlick

582
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,080
to Hutter to Edgewood Parks, most

583
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,840
beautiful terrain in the country. Um,

584
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,559
you mentioned the, uh, suboptimal sites

585
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,559
and of course, Raundo is one of them.

586
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:47,760
Um,

587
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,400
>> you have moved within 500 ft of the

588
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,400
property line of the density site there.

589
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720
So, you're going to presumably have to

590
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,919
recuse in in that discussion. I'll look

591
00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:01,120
to Kai if that's correct. Yeah. So,

592
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,720
>> uh

593
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,559
it's a big issue for that neighborhood.

594
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,240
On one hand, they're already represented

595
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,240
by Commissioner Weaver.

596
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,600
>> Uh but your neighbors are going to be, I

597
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,799
guess, looking to you, too, and

598
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:14,240
wondering, you know, what kind of voice

599
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,440
you're going to be able to provide. And

600
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,440
I'm just I It struck me as interesting.

601
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,679
What

602
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:21,760
>> are you okay with that? you're you're if

603
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,039
you serve on planning, you'll have to

604
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,120
recuse on one of the major sites in the

605
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,120
housing element um in the coming forward

606
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,960
period. It's one of many issues, but it

607
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,279
is it's going to be a polarizing issue

608
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,600
for the neighborhood you moved into.

609
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,120
>> Yeah. I mean, am I okay with it? It kind

610
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,600
of it I kind of have to be because I

611
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000
don't think there's any that that's the

612
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,600
you know, that's that's the that's the nature of the situation. I mean, I

613
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,120
certainly you know, forget with recusing

614
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,400
if I can I believe you can still

615
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,640
participate as a private citizen. So,

616
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,400
you know, I would would be looking to do

617
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,840
that. You know, of course, to the to the

618
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,240
extent that it's ethical and feasible.

619
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Um, you know, it's interesting also, I

620
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
remember, you know, folks

621
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,080
uh during the original meetings talking

622
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,320
about, you know, the if you lived here,

623
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,360
it' be different. And I've been

624
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:06,960
reflecting on that a lot as well.

625
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,240
>> And it's interesting. I mean, my my

626
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,080
personal point of view on it is like we

627
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,520
still have an obligation to the state.

628
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,640
If it's it's, you know, adjacent to

629
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,480
where I live, you know, so so be it as

630
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960
well. Um but I think you know what I

631
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600
would try to bring to that is just I

632
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,720
mean finding the right the right

633
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,440
solution whether that's is it that site

634
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760
is it other sites uh or if it is that

635
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
site that we find kind of the best you

636
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,880
know design and it it still is as close

637
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,320
to the um general plan as possible.

638
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,279
>> Great. Thank you.

639
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,120
>> Yeah. Any other questions for

640
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,840
Commissioner Gar?

641
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,919
>> All right. Seeing none, we will just

642
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,080
open public comment. We received a lot

643
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,000
of uh wonderful notes endorsing our

644
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,520
candidates, but are there any members of

645
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,520
the public here or in the Zoom room that

646
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,720
would like to make any additional

647
00:25:52,720 --> 00:26:00,549
comments in the appointment process?

648
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,840
Okay. Well, seeing none, uh do we have a

649
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,000
motion? The council

650
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,159
>> like to move to approve the appointments

651
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,799
of uh Mr. Evans and Mr. Gar to the

652
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:11,840
planning commission.

653
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,279
>> Second.

654
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:14,880
>> Council member Alberish. Yes.

655
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,840
>> Council member Brown.

656
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,159
>> Yes.

657
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,000
>> Council member Gold. Yes. Council member

658
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,000
Wall. Mayor Donowski.

659
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
>> Yes. Thank you. Uh, Commissioners Gar

660
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,919
and Evan, welcome. Congratulations.

661
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:25,520
You've got a big job ahead of you. So,

662
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,960
we look forward to working with you and

663
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,039
thanks for your willingness to serve the

664
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,279
community of Woodside. So, welcome

665
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,360
aboard.

666
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,120
Okay,

667
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,400
moving right along. Um,

668
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,960
town manager report, Mr. Lead Better.

669
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,880
>> Yeah, thank you, Mr. for mayor and uh

670
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,279
the Woodside Town Council. So, town

671
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,520
staff has received word from

672
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,679
Representative Licardo's office that the

673
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:53,520
town will be receiving $250,000

674
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000
for a bridge project that was submitted

675
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,640
for um a few months before my start

676
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,799
date. I think there's a little bit of

677
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,720
confusion and so I'll touch base with

678
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080
public works um about which bridge

679
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,159
exactly is is to be funded. Uh the town

680
00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,520
has been receiving a lot of

681
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,880
communication about poor driving

682
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,640
decisions and close calls in front of

683
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,799
the uh Woodside Elementary School during

684
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,559
drop off. And so the sheriff's office

685
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,960
has been making their presence felt at

686
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,039
this location based off of uh the

687
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:25,760
engagement and and uh videos that were

688
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,640
being provided by the school. Uh we are

689
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,720
working with good city to finalize a

690
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
date and it looks like March or April

691
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,200
based off of some other needs we have

692
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,039
for the council uh for an update by Good

693
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,400
City on the TCAP coming to town council.

694
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,000
Once again, that'll be either in March

695
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,240
or April.

696
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,720
On the evening of February 3rd, I did

697
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,120
attend the Woodside Hills HOA meeting

698
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,120
with fire with the fire marshall from

699
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,600
the fire protection district. I give an

700
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,760
update just on town operations as

701
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,279
pertaining to that district and kind of

702
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,799
the sphere of influence around that

703
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,600
district. And then the focal point was

704
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320
on uh the instigation of the contract

705
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,320
that you guys had signed in the past to

706
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,559
do vegetation removal along the right of

707
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,799
way is going to start on Woodside Road

708
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,960
in the coming month.

709
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,919
The town uh continues to receive uh

710
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:20,399
inquiries and interest into a more

711
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:22,640
aggressive approach to code enforcement

712
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,279
with a couple abandoned properties in

713
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,679
Woodside as well. That's all I have this

714
00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:28,720
evening.

715
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:35,029
>> Thank you. Questions for Mr. Led Better?

716
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,799
Hearing none, any public comment on any

717
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,679
of those items?

718
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:42,159
Seeing none, we will close the report.

719
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:44,000
Thank you.

720
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Uh, next up, consent calendar. Moving

721
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
right along this evening. Uh, all items

722
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,919
on the consent are considered routine,

723
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:51,279
will be approved with one roll call

724
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,399
motion unless an item is pulled and and

725
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,000
transferred to the regular agenda or

726
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,600
just pulled for further discussion by

727
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,880
council. Are there any member any any

728
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,039
items on the consent agenda that any

729
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,799
member of council would like to pull for

730
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,000
further discussion? Two and three. Wow.

731
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,320
Okay. Uh, can we get a motion on item

732
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
one

733
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,320
to pass item one?

734
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,640
>> We'll move to pass item one.

735
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,600
>> Register of demand.

736
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,399
>> So, I will move to pass a register of

737
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:27,120
demands against the town Woodside from

738
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:33,430
January 16 through January 31, 2026.

739
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,880
» I'll second. Thank you.

740
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,399
>> Council member Aberish.

741
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:36,720
>> Yes.

742
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,600
>> Council member Brown.

743
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:37,919
>> Yes.

744
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:39,279
>> Council member Gold. Yes,

745
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,120
>> Council Member Wall.

746
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,399
>> Mayor Donowski.

747
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,799
>> Yes. Moving in order. Uh, item number

748
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,480
two, Council Member Wall.

749
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,840
>> Okay, I think this one should be pretty

750
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,720
quick. Um, so item two is approval of a

751
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,320
records and information management

752
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
policy and updated records retention

753
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,559
schedule. I thought the staff report

754
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,320
gave um an excellent summary of the

755
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,240
background, but I was just hoping uh the

756
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,399
town manager um could kind of give an

757
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,799
exact summary of the policy and the new

758
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,080
policy and the retention schedule.

759
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Uh yeah, I don't know if I'll be able to

760
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880
give you a summary. Ultimately, it was a

761
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,600
an an item that started or predates me.

762
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,919
And so, a consultant was hired uh to

763
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:20,080
come in and work with not just myself,

764
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,799
but the the attorney's office and then

765
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,600
every department had through the clerk's

766
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,039
office ultimately uh participated over

767
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:33,120
the last I'd say um predating me. So, uh

768
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,200
over the last year, I believe on this

769
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,520
policy. We do have the gentleman that

770
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,360
helped curate this policy, I believe,

771
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,440
available to answer any questions, but

772
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,760
ultimately uh I don't think that I would

773
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,320
be capable of summarizing the policy. We

774
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,679
will be rolling the policy out with uh

775
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,840
two major events, I guess you can say.

776
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,720
We have a records issue here ultimately.

777
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,279
Uh we need to really clean out the

778
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,679
office and make a determination as to

779
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,080
what is redundant and what needs to meet

780
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,799
within the policy on being stored. And

781
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,399
so you guys at the last meeting had

782
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:09,360
approved um staff augmentation and so

783
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,600
we're meeting with CSG tomorrow uh to go

784
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,520
over this policy and kind of explain our

785
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240
needs to uh the possibility of that

786
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,480
part-time employee and then staff is

787
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
currently working on a basically a

788
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320
spring clean where we will incorporate

789
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,720
rolling out this policy with the staff

790
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,000
in in August. But um I don't know if

791
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,600
there's any specific questions I can

792
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,919
answer for you. But ultimately I don't

793
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,520
think that the town didn't have a policy

794
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,039
in the past is my understanding. So this

795
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,880
is the first policy and then we just had

796
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,360
a spreadsheet where we had really

797
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760
records retention probably longer than

798
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,440
required by the state of California

799
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,000
based off of different desires with uh

800
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,159
internally with staff. And so this

801
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,480
policy really incorporates everybody's

802
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,519
needs from each individual department uh

803
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,320
and then validates that based off of the

804
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,080
consultant that we're meet in the town

805
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,679
attorney's office that we are actually

806
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:09,750
complying by uh state law.

807
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,679
» Would you like to motion?

808
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:13,360
>> Yes. Um

809
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,640
>> so I wasn't planning on bringing this

810
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,039
up. Thanks for public records issues.

811
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,840
So, it comes up a lot that we get, well,

812
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
not a lot, there's lots of public um

813
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,840
records request um that come up. Almost

814
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,279
everything we do now is digital

815
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,679
electronic. It's hard to think of

816
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,600
anything that's that's not available

817
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,960
that way. Um and for us, it's mostly

818
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,120
emails and we're very sensitive about

819
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,360
that. I just have a question. If I

820
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,960
delete an email from my thing, is that

821
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,279
still retained by the town?

822
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,039
>> Email is not a part of this policy

823
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,120
actually. So ultimately that's still a

824
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,159
question I think that um we probably

825
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:55,039
need direction on primarily with uh the

826
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,279
town council and that very specific

827
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,559
issue. So

828
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,039
>> uh email to my understanding is is not a

829
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,519
part of this um policy.

830
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:04,960
>> We should get an answer to that question

831
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,360
though. I mean I don't

832
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,200
>> it's we do. So

833
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,960
>> yeah, there I believe that there is a

834
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,840
legality to uh the deletion of email and

835
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,240
I would refer to uh the town attorney on

836
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,080
what that is with the state.

837
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,399
>> All right, thank you.

838
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:21,120
>> Take a shot.

839
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,559
>> I can sure

840
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,799
>> uh operationally I can't speak to how

841
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:28,159
the town system works but uh emails are

842
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,840
public record and should be retained for

843
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,320
two years.

844
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,240
>> Got that. But my question is when I

845
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,559
delete something and I don't but when I

846
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,240
delete something

847
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,240
>> is it still retained by the town?

848
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,279
>> That's a you don't know.

849
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:42,159
>> I don't know the answer.

850
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:44,720
>> That we that's the question I've got is

851
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,240
>> um we'll work

852
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,600
>> about not deleting things.

853
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,120
>> I'll follow up with it on uh on what

854
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,880
that looks like and I'll get back to you

855
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,679
on a staff memo. Just anecdotally,

856
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,919
having had conversations about that

857
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:00,320
issue in the past, uh not with Jason,

858
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,399
but with the previous town manager, I

859
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:05,200
believe there is some level of

860
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,000
retention. Even if an email is deleted,

861
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,639
it goes into a deleted folder for a

862
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:11,280
period of time.

863
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,960
>> I would have to think that too, but I

864
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,639
just wanted to confirm it. Thank you.

865
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,800
>> Maybe just a follow-up question. So that

866
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,159
strikes me as a little strange that

867
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,480
email wouldn't be a part of our records

868
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,639
retention policy. And just glancing at

869
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,800
the the section five that talks about

870
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,839
the types of records, it says,

871
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,280
"According to California state law, a

872
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,359
record includes any writing containing

873
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:31,040
information relating to the conduct of

874
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,950
the public's business."

875
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,119
» Yeah, I'm not sure uh if the clerk

876
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,800
wanted to chime in on this. I know based

877
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,440
off our our engagement on this item uh

878
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,040
that ultimately there's kind of a

879
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,399
conflict with what the um the consensus

880
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,560
within the organization I think we have

881
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,639
some members that really want to retain

882
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,960
email really in perpetuity to be able to

883
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,560
pull from it. And so I don't think we

884
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,359
got clear definition on email is kind of

885
00:34:57,359 --> 00:34:59,520
my understanding within the within the

886
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,720
policy. Is is that accurate? Jim

887
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,280
>> Bruce is here if he wants to talk about

888
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,920
it.

889
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,520
>> Oh okay. Okay. Well, we can go directly

890
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,240
to the consultant on this.

891
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,040
>> Okay. Mr. Meyer, going to recognize you

892
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,440
here. Welcome.

893
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,880
>> Thank you. I'm glad.

894
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,480
>> Yes.

895
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,079
>> You know, when uh you mentioned that

896
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,960
email um when you hit delete, it is not

897
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,280
truly gone yet. Especially if uh if the

898
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,560
city is uh is backing up the Exchange

899
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,599
server. Technically,

900
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,359
the email is not gone when you hit

901
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:38,880
delete. Reality says, as far as we're

902
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,640
concerned, it's gone. But the the the

903
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,400
flip side of that is we don't

904
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,800
necessarily have approval to delete that

905
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,119
email. Um, as uh the city attorney said,

906
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,359
uh

907
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,560
it should be kept for 2 years. Now, that

908
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,240
means something that really has more of

909
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,480
an official side to it. Uh, if you

910
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,520
determine that an email has value and

911
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,839
create a record out of it, I can see

912
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:08,480
that as being kept for two years. But in

913
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,720
all reality, mama's recipe for, you

914
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,160
know, chocolate chip cookies from 1988,

915
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,359
we don't really care about that.

916
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:21,349
Does that make sense?

917
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:23,280
» Yeah. So, you're maybe just going back

918
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,440
to the first question. Is is email a

919
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,000
subject to this policy?

920
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,599
I don't believe we have it as a subject

921
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,839
of the policy yet because we didn't make

922
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,400
a determination on it. It's it's a very

923
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,200
hot bed subject.

924
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Uh you talk to most people and two years

925
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,079
can be a fine term. You talk to

926
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,760
engineers and they'll scream at you

927
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,720
because projects tend to go on a lot

928
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,640
longer than just 2 years. So the

929
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,880
reference back to that information is

930
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,280
essential. Now, that brings into play

931
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,920
determining again when an email can be

932
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,599
considered a record and creating a

933
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:00,880
record out of it. Whether that's

934
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,160
creating a a PDF, printing it to PDF,

935
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,680
printing it to paper, um uh dragging and

936
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
dropping it into laser fish as a record.

937
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,359
You're creating that record out of it

938
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:16,800
and storing in a repository or outside

939
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,640
of the email system which has never been

940
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,560
a uh a document management software

941
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,359
setup. Um laserfish is the core setup

942
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,480
for the city. So anything that's dragged

943
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
and dropped into that would be created a

944
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,480
record.

945
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800
Uh the remaining emails can for the most

946
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,040
part be transitory. That's that's what I

947
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,520
see as a majority of emails maintained

948
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,480
by an individual are transitory in

949
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,720
nature. They have some value. There may

950
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,640
not be a final decision made on that

951
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,119
email and when it is, it's up to the

952
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,520
individual. So, it is very subjective uh

953
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,079
to create the record out of that uh out

954
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,960
of that email.

955
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,400
>> Okay. Sounds like we have some work

956
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,839
ahead of us. Um are we are we uh are we

957
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:12,230
okay with the motion this this point?

958
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,160
I am personally still confused and maybe

959
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,760
it's just me. I just I really just want

960
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,720
to understand is email considered a

961
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,800
record under this policy or are we are

962
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,000
we not clear on that?

963
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,839
>> I I'd like to go ahead and chime in. I

964
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,680
mean I think it's considered a record on

965
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,359
some level but we don't have a current

966
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:31,839
retention policy or we don't have a

967
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:33,599
retention lined up. Now the policy

968
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,520
references email but we don't have a

969
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,839
schedule on retention for email is my

970
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:41,109
understanding.

971
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,640
» Okay. So we probably will we'll be

972
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,119
coming back to the council to amend this

973
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,760
policy once we have a point of view on

974
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,119
email retention.

975
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,200
>> Yes.

976
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,760
>> Amend that too. That's um again it's a

977
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,640
hot subject. People will be angry about

978
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,200
it but it's also forcing the individual

979
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,280
to determine whether an email is a

980
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,760
record or not. and creating a record out

981
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,160
of it. the system in itself based upon

982
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,720
you know uh for instance the city of San

983
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,880
Jose and their uh their case against

984
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,320
texts and other social media aspects

985
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,880
technically email can be considered a

986
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,359
record but I think again it's so

987
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,079
subjective because I is a transitory is an ad considered uh a record when it

988
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,960
comes to email not necessarily it's

989
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,400
really more business related material

990
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,680
materials, but we all get ads of some

991
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:44,630
sort or notifications from whomever.

992
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,400
» Um, I was just looking at the looking

993
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,760
through the policy and it looks like

994
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,640
under 5.5 there is a section for email

995
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,320
communication. So, um, I think that that

996
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,000
would apply to everyone

997
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,320
in town.

998
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,760
>> That's Thank you for pointing that out.

999
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,920
Sounds like email is in scope for this

1000
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,000
policy.

1001
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,599
>> It is in scope, but I don't think we

1002
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,359
have applied a a retention to it.

1003
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:13,359
It's more a notification and it is

1004
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:14,960
something we need to discuss and develop

1005
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,720
a you know a little bit more of a policy

1006
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,320
to it. Whether that's a separate policy

1007
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,640
from this one or um integrated into it,

1008
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,750
but we need to make a decision on that.

1009
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Can I just Can I just say one thing?

1010
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,839
>> Um, of course

1011
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,160
>> the town the town absolutely has a

1012
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,800
retention schedule that includes email.

1013
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,760
>> Um, we've had that for as long as I've

1014
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,320
been with the town. I think this policy

1015
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,599
is geared towards building an

1016
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,240
operational system

1017
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,720
to help implement that schedule, which

1018
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,880
is what the town has not had. And so

1019
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,880
it's been kind of just left to staff to

1020
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,440
figure out how to retain the records in

1021
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,200
the SK according to the schedule without

1022
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,960
any sort of operational guidance. So

1023
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,760
however long ago it was this process

1024
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,720
started try and build this operational

1025
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,119
document uh and that's what we have

1026
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,200
here. But I want to be clear that the

1027
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,720
town does have a retention schedule that

1028
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,560
includes email along with all other

1029
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,720
public documents.

1030
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:28,550
>> Thank you.

1031
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,079
Well, we need a motion.

1032
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:32,160
You

1033
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,200
>> want me to make a motion?

1034
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,880
>> Somebody can make a motion.

1035
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,640
>> I'll move to approve uh a record uh move

1036
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
to approve a records and information

1037
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,040
management policy and updated records

1038
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,349
retention schedule.

1039
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:49,280
» Second you.

1040
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,480
>> Council member Alberish.

1041
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,680
>> Yes. Council member Brown.

1042
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,000
>> Yes. Council member Gold.

1043
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,960
>> Abstain.

1044
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,400
>> Council member Wall.

1045
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:56,800
>> Yes.

1046
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,000
>> Mayor Donowski.

1047
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,280
>> Yeah.

1048
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,160
>> Okay. Um, slowly working our way

1049
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319
through, but important stuff. Uh, item

1050
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:05,760
three.

1051
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,480
>> Yes. Council member

1052
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,839
>> Brown.

1053
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,920
>> This is a project that to me is an

1054
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,440
example of fiscal insanity going wild.

1055
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Um, we started this how many years ago?

1056
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,280
Four or five years ago, is that right?

1057
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,839
with $800,000 gift from the federal

1058
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:24,480
government to build bike paths. Calr

1059
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,880
actually built bike paths at no cost to

1060
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,720
us. Um and now we're not only saying the

1061
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,400
800,000 is not enough. We need another

1062
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,000
$200,000

1063
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,359
to build bike paths on the same street.

1064
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,000
Uh somehow this is not making fiscal

1065
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,240
sense to me at all. And um I don't don't

1066
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,920
I understand there's some some reasons

1067
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,240
that bicyclists think that it's not

1068
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,720
quite good enough yet, but when is it

1069
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,870
will be good enough?

1070
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,400
» Yeah. So I'll chime in and then we'll

1071
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,680
kick it over to the public works

1072
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,119
director. Uh so yeah, we had an interest

1073
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,720
uh with the the town council directing

1074
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:08,240
staff to work with uh at that time we

1075
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,280
had Shawn Rose, our consultant, and a

1076
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,960
gentleman in the public, I don't think

1077
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,800
he's here this evening, uh Mr. Steve

1078
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,800
Luben, on some concerns that he had

1079
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,839
about this project. We articulated at

1080
00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:22,240
that time that we felt any alteration

1081
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,640
was going to lead to the possibility of

1082
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,760
losing the funding with Calrans and and

1083
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680
that more than likely it would it would

1084
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,800
result in increased uh cost for

1085
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,839
engineering. Um but ultimately there was

1086
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,440
a request to see if we can get a

1087
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,760
compromise um because there were some

1088
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
poor design choices I think or some

1089
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,119
design choices that never were really uh

1090
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:46,960
investigated that could have worked out

1091
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,560
better. And so uh with the consultant

1092
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,200
Shawn Rose and at the time Cindy Mala

1093
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,000
before Lewis joined us here uh they went

1094
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
back to the drawing board with NV5. We

1095
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,200
held the line on the cost and forced uh

1096
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,280
their hand to make alterations on work

1097
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,119
that they had already done that we felt

1098
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,000
um uh that ultimately we felt that they

1099
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680
didn't really explore all of the opt

1100
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,319
options that were available with CALR on

1101
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,880
the CALR right of way and they did that

1102
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
and I believe now we've reached a point

1103
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,040
with Mr. lube in that we have a

1104
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,280
compromise that he's satisfied with that

1105
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,400
would cost us to finish that design just

1106
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,520
under $50,000 so that we could move

1107
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,119
forward. That's the ask. It's $48,700

1108
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,040
to an already existing contract to make

1109
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,720
it a not to exceed of the 210 value. So,

1110
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,960
uh, Lewis, if you can chime in and maybe

1111
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,640
broaden the scope of the conversation.

1112
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,560
>> Thank you, town manager. Lewis, public

1113
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,440
works director and town engineer. Um as

1114
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,480
we review the current plan, the 95% plan

1115
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,839
by MV5, um it is apparent that the

1116
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:56,960
current design has put the pedestrian uh

1117
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,760
multiath on the street on the pavement

1118
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,800
itself. And it is our expert opinion

1119
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,040
that we need to move this path um to uh

1120
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,720
on the other side of the curb out of the

1121
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,440
pavement um for safety. And this will be

1122
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440
safety for not only the pedestrian but

1123
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,319
also the bicyclist and the motorists. Um

1124
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:19,040
and this design we believe it is my

1125
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920
professional opinion that it it really

1126
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,839
uh would instill the spirit and the

1127
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:26,560
character of Woodside is putting u

1128
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,440
pedestrian and bicyclist and motorist

1129
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,119
safety at first. So, so this uh redesign

1130
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:36,720
uh is what we're asking. The $48,700 is

1131
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,319
an amendment to NV5 to redesign the

1132
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:47,280
current plan to put the multi- path in a safe uh area behind the curb out of

1133
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,829
the pavement.

1134
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,920
Is that going to cost us more than just

1135
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,760
the design cost? in other words is

1136
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,079
construction cost to make those changes

1137
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,440
going to be an additional cost. Um to

1138
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,079
answer council member Brown um yes the

1139
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,480
estimated uh in addition to construction

1140
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,000
costs right now is um is very

1141
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
conservative is about $300,000 in

1142
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,760
addition but we don't know that. Um it's

1143
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,680
just a estimate by the designer. Um but

1144
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,000
when it comes to the actual construction

1145
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
um it really depends on the climate in

1146
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,960
the bidding climate and see um but the

1147
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,119
current the redesign would also changes

1148
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,040
the drainage as well and that's we

1149
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,280
believe that's the bulk of that increase

1150
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,000
is redesigning um the storm drainage um

1151
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,960
and this reconfigure and also um you

1152
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,880
know moving some of the drainage um in a

1153
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,800
new location.

1154
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,960
So, are you saying it's going to be

1155
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,000
under 800,000 plus 300,000 construction

1156
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,680
cost plus the design costs? Is that what

1157
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,760
you're telling me?

1158
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,160
That's correct. Yeah. Um, as right now

1159
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,119
there's a 300,000 um estimate of

1160
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,680
increase in construction costs and and

1161
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,440
today's ask we're asking for an

1162
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,480
amendment to the design 48,700. That's

1163
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,520
also in addition to that's correct.

1164
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,880
Am I the only one troubled by that?

1165
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,000
>> Well, I think we asked for this. Um, and

1166
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
the improvements do end us in a better

1167
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,800
place for the long term. So,

1168
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,000
>> I'm not sure we were talking about

1169
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,240
another 300,000 construction.

1170
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,760
>> I I I'm not here.

1171
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,720
>> I don't remember that.

1172
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:32,560
>> I I hear you. Um, but kind of feel like

1173
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,079
we got to do it right, I guess, is where

1174
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,670
I'm coming from.

1175
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,200
» But when do we start drawing where

1176
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,160
you're coming from? This is insane.

1177
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,839
Are you in deliberations right now? Is

1178
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:46,480
this still a question?

1179
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,680
>> Uh, yeah. We We're just Yeah.

1180
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,920
And then you have Do you have questions?

1181
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,720
>> No. I was gonna

1182
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,359
>> Sure. Any member of the public want to

1183
00:47:57,359 --> 00:47:59,680
talk on this?

1184
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:09,750
>> Yes. Son, welcome.

1185
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,000
Uh, hi Council Assan Farande, uh,

1186
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,160
circulation committee chair. Um, couple

1187
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,160
thoughts on this one. First, I strongly

1188
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,520
support the project. I think the fact

1189
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,800
that again, we can't walk from here to

1190
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,319
the high school that serves our town is an oversight. And I think it was nice

1191
00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:23,599
that during COVID, you know, we we got

1192
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,160
the $100,000 grant and we remembered it

1193
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,280
and now we're hopefully not going to

1194
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,599
lose it. Um, the thing that's annoying

1195
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,680
to me is the consultants who designed it

1196
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,680
came to circulation and we specifically

1197
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,520
asked them the question, can you put it

1198
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,440
outside? Because to Dan Duker's credit,

1199
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,200
he found that 20 years ago or something,

1200
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,040
there was a a gravel pathway outside the

1201
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,559
curb and every time I drive by there

1202
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:43,839
now, I can't help but stare at it and be

1203
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:47,680
like, man, if you gave me a week and my gardening tools, I could have most of

1204
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,760
it cleared. We asked them that question.

1205
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160
They specifically said, "No, it will not

1206
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,839
work out there." And then there was

1207
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:55,680
something about SQA environmental stuff,

1208
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,079
blah blah blah. And it turns out they

1209
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,440
were wrong. So to Steve Lubman's credit,

1210
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,559
and Steve, if you're here listening to

1211
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,240
me, you were correct. I appreciate it. I

1212
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,000
appreciate your tenacity on it. Um, I

1213
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,359
appreciate Sean helping and helping

1214
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:06,480
figure out. Lewis, thank you for getting

1215
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,880
involved as well. But it's a little

1216
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,240
frustrating that now we're being asked

1217
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,160
for another almost $50,000 to correct

1218
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,319
the mistake they made with their own

1219
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:17,680
expert opinion in mistake basically,

1220
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,880
right? I don't think you have a choice,

1221
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,400
so I'm not saying you shouldn't do it.

1222
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,680
Um, I do think the project is very

1223
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,720
worthwhile. Hopefully, it's not a

1224
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,520
$300,000 adder on top of the 800. Um,

1225
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,040
but when you drive by there, it's like

1226
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
that is the most elegant solution. They

1227
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,440
claimed they walked every inch of it and

1228
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,800
somehow I don't know what assumptions

1229
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,000
they were working under that led them to

1230
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,760
where they are. So hopefully at least

1231
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,680
maybe we've negotiated a discount rate

1232
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,280
compared to the work they have to do or

1233
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,680
something along those lines. So despite

1234
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,599
my rambling thing, I fully support the

1235
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,359
project. I think that is the elegant

1236
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:46,960
solution. It is just frustrating that

1237
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,200
they designed it wrong and then people

1238
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,800
had to get involved to fix it even

1239
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,079
though they were the experts and I gave

1240
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,359
them the benefit of the doubt. So shame

1241
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:54,800
on me. I'll be more diligent on that

1242
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,400
next time. But they st said, "Nope, we

1243
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,599
can't put it where you're telling us to

1244
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,319
put it."

1245
00:49:58,319 --> 00:49:59,920
clear that was wrong. So again, thank

1246
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,119
you.

1247
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:05,670
>> Thank you for that context,

1248
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,760
Miss Gilbert.

1249
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,920
>> Uh

1250
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,920
hello is on. Okay.

1251
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,319
I'm I what I'm hearing is that we're

1252
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:18,160
going to pave

1253
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,640
all around for bicyclists. Is that what

1254
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,760
you said? You you said a lot, so I

1255
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,559
really am a little confused. So right

1256
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:30,240
now the um the pedestrian path is on the

1257
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,880
road sharing that road with the bicycle

1258
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,760
lane. So it's all on the same road. Um

1259
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,839
what we want to do is redesign it to put

1260
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:40,319
the pedestrian path out of the road and

1261
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:44,000
put it on behind the curb.

1262
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,800
>> Where where are you talking about? What land along Woodside Road here?

1263
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,839
>> On Woodside Road east of 280 to the high

1264
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:53,520
school. To the high school

1265
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,559
>> to the high school. Okay.

1266
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,640
All right. We're not putting this

1267
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,520
through the town, though. We're not

1268
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,520
contemplating that. I hope.

1269
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,760
>> No, it's just it's just from 280 down to

1270
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,040
the Alamita.

1271
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,960
>> All right.

1272
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,960
I'm going to keep this now. I can tell

1273
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,480
Bill, go get me something.

1274
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,680
>> I think you're going to have to hand it

1275
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,270
off to Mr. Duker.

1276
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,920
» Thanks.

1277
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,040
>> So, uh, just representing the, um, three

1278
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,960
HOAs east of 280. Um the residents are

1279
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,920
big time in favor of this project that we're getting a little confused

1280
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,000
about the bicycle topic. The discussion

1281
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
today is about a pedestrian path. So

1282
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,400
it's allowing people to walk on the

1283
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,119
south side of Woodside Road from

1284
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,359
effectively 280 to the high school with

1285
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:41,119
a vision that in the next couple of

1286
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,400
years you'll connect that to town

1287
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,079
center. So you'll be able to walk from

1288
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:45,599
the high school all the way to town

1289
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,559
center. Um Ean's correct. We were told

1290
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,880
in circulation that the pedestrian

1291
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,040
pathway had to be effectively attached

1292
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,800
to the road and pushed into the bike

1293
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,720
lane even a little bit. We learned in

1294
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:58,000
the last month that that's not true,

1295
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,319
that that was incorrect. So the original

1296
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:01,920
routing we had all hoped for is what

1297
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,960
we're going to end up with. It looks

1298
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,960
like um Lewis and I went and walked it

1299
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,480
this morning. So we spent an hour

1300
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,000
together walking the road down there

1301
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
today. And what he has planned is going

1302
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,880
to be a very attractive and very useful

1303
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,720
addition to the town. So, it'll be a

1304
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,920
nice decomposed grait gravel or asphalt

1305
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,119
pathway that is just inside

1306
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,480
um on the side of on the side of

1307
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,839
Woodside Road on the south side. I think

1308
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:25,040
it's going to look great and certainly

1309
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,599
lots of residents will use it. Um my

1310
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:29,680
guess is I it's hard for me to imagine

1311
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,200
it'll cost more than what they're

1312
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,280
planning. So, I'm really interested in

1313
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,440
the the estimate if it cost more money

1314
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:36,319
because now you don't have to go

1315
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:37,839
reconfigure all the curbs that were just

1316
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:40,319
put in by CALR. So, it's just literally

1317
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,800
restoring a pathway that's already there

1318
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,960
and just opening it back up again. So,

1319
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,480
I'm hoping there will be a solution that

1320
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,119
actually saves us money, not adds on

1321
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,839
additional funding.

1322
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:54,400
>> Thank you.

1323
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,359
>> Any other comments from public? All very

1324
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:59,280
useful tonight. Thank you very much.

1325
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Okay, back to deliberations. Council

1326
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,240
member Aberish. Um, yeah, I I feel like

1327
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:10,240
this is I mean, I appreciate uh Council

1328
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,800
Member Brown's comments and thoughts and

1329
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,559
I totally agree. Uh, I think we always

1330
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,520
have to be uh very aware and careful

1331
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,640
with expanding costs. Um, here I feel

1332
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,680
like we're getting, you know, $800,000

1333
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,440
of essentially free money. So, we're

1334
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,480
going to be able to do this project for,

1335
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,720
my math is correct, about it'll be, you

1336
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,200
know, total of a million and a half

1337
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,640
dollar project. And we're going to be

1338
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,880
paying

1339
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,599
a little over close to 500,000 from the

1340
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,640
town actually. Is that my numbers

1341
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,440
correct? Something along those lines.

1342
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,800
>> I think there's me there's different

1343
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,559
measures and road money that will be

1344
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,319
funding this project. But yeah,

1345
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,960
essentially that's $800,000 of uh

1346
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,839
federal funding. Um and then ultimately

1347
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,000
any of the overages we would be timing

1348
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,640
out to fit into our our budget and CIP.

1349
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,160
>> Yeah. So I, you know, I think we're

1350
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,440
getting a big benefit. We're not paying

1351
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,280
for the whole thing. Um, but we'll get

1352
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,040
the full benefit of it. And I think it's

1353
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,839
a huge value to everyone who lives um,

1354
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:17,280
you know, in that area. I think I

1355
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,800
remember when we talked about this last

1356
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,640
time, it came up and there were a lot of

1357
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,079
people that were really looking forward

1358
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,119
to this project and so yeah, so I I'd

1359
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:26,559
support it.

1360
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,800
>> Great. Thank you. Other comments from

1361
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,870
council?

1362
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,839
make a motion.

1363
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:35,520
>> I would love to have a motion. Dick, do

1364
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:36,880
you want to make a motion or do you want

1365
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:37,680
someone else to make it?

1366
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,040
>> I think somebody else should make I'll

1367
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,920
make a a motion to approve the

1368
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,520
resolution authorizing the town manager

1369
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,920
to execute a contract amendment with NV5

1370
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,400
in an amount of $48,700

1371
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,119
and not to exceed a total of $210,38

1372
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,359
for the design of Woodside Road Bicycle

1373
00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:58,240
and Pedestrian Improvements Project.

1374
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,119
>> Second.

1375
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,640
>> Council member Alberish. Yes.

1376
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,680
>> Council member Brown.

1377
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,240
>> No.

1378
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:03,280
>> Council member Gold.

1379
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,680
>> Yes.

1380
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,040
>> Council member Wall.

1381
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:05,440
>> Yes.

1382
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,040
>> Mayor Donowski.

1383
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,000
>> Yes.

1384
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,599
>> And with that, we'll close the consent

1385
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,040
agenda. And moving on to old business,

1386
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,960
quarterly and annual review of license

1387
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,280
plate readers. I I just thought maybe I

1388
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,960
would say one thing real quick just for

1389
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,160
expectational reasons. Um just to

1390
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,040
clarify things. Um this is agendaized.

1391
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,680
It's agendaized as reviewing the reports

1392
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,280
and deciding whether to accept the

1393
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,680
reports. Per our contract, there is no

1394
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,680
vote tonight on deployment of license

1395
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,599
plate readers. Although in

1396
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,359
deliberations, any member of the council

1397
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:42,800
can make a motion to uh for direction,

1398
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,240
future direction. So that might be

1399
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,599
something that comes out of that. But

1400
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,599
this is the extent of what we can uh do

1401
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,760
tonight on this topic uh and what we'll

1402
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,920
effectively be voting on um at the end

1403
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,319
of it. So Jason, with that I know we've

1404
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,079
got a lot going on and you have brought

1405
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,240
some significant resources to bear

1406
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,520
tonight. So I'll hand it off to you to

1407
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,920
talk about the report and introduce our

1408
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920
leadership from the sheriff's office and

1409
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,240
uh representation from Flock.

1410
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,839
>> Yeah, thank you. I'll start with that

1411
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:09,760
actually. We have Assistant Sheriff

1412
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,680
Meyers here this evening. We have our

1413
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,079
administrative sergeant Nick Moragno

1414
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,040
here as well. and we have Lily uh with

1415
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,359
Flock as well to help answer any

1416
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,240
questions uh or any technical items that

1417
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,760
may come up. First, I just want to go

1418
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,839
over the attachments because there are

1419
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,960
quite a few. And so, attachment one on

1420
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,640
this report is the ALPR annual report

1421
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,119
that comes directly from the sheriff the

1422
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,760
sheriff's office. And this showcases

1423
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,760
roughly uh 5,027 hot list alerts that

1424
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,559
transpired over the year. um 4,031

1425
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,880
uh stolen license plates that went

1426
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,440
through the system, uh 38 stolen

1427
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,040
vehicles, 13 felony vehicles, and 945

1428
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,359
alerts for investigation.

1429
00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:59,280
Two stolen vehicles were recovered in

1430
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,520
the Woodside ALPR system led to the

1431
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,440
arrest of four suspects involved in

1432
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,680
various crimes in the town of Woodside.

1433
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,160
More information about specific cases in

1434
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,319
Woodside are available in that specific

1435
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:11,920
attachment.

1436
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,799
In attachment two, uh this is the town

1437
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:18,480
of Woodside ALPR policy which dictates

1438
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,079
how myself or the the town manager audit

1439
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,119
uh how that audit is performed.

1440
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,160
Attachment three, this is the Sanonteo

1441
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,400
County Sheriff's Office quarterly

1442
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,440
report. This is where they choose the 10

1443
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,200
randomly searched uh searches to audit.

1444
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,559
And this is the document that I use to

1445
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,760
basically audit those 10 random searches

1446
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:48,559
on the quarterly report. So attachment 4

1447
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,559
is that quarterly audit report from me,

1448
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:56,000
the town manager. Uh and so we'll come

1449
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,799
back to that attachment uh after I'm

1450
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,000
done discussing the rest of these

1451
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,720
attachments.

1452
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Attachment

1453
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,160
five is the Sanonteo County Sheriff's

1454
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,880
Office ALPR policy. This is when we have

1455
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,520
to look at our policy in relation to

1456
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,680
whoever did the search. If it's Sanonteo

1457
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,040
County Sheriff's Office, then we'll go

1458
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,200
to their policy to validate that they

1459
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,520
have a policy that matches ours. Uh,

1460
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,319
attachment six is the Sonteo Police

1461
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,720
Department's policy. Attachment seven is

1462
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:30,640
the Redwood City Police Department's

1463
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,160
policy. Um, and then attachment eight, I

1464
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,599
had two different council members

1465
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,920
contacting contact me asking me about

1466
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,760
the contract. So, for good measure, we

1467
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,400
added that as an attachment. And then

1468
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,559
attachment nine is the law enforcement

1469
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,400
contract that we have with the Sanonteo

1470
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,359
County Sheriff's Office. And so, back to

1471
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:51,680
attachment four, which is my quarterly

1472
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,880
audit report. So, we took into

1473
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,200
consideration some of the concerns that

1474
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,839
had been brought to the attention of the

1475
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:02,480
staff and the town itself prior to my

1476
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,359
existence uh here at in Woodside. And

1477
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:06,960
then over the last eight eight months,

1478
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,160
my engagement with the council uh we

1479
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,000
determined that there was kind of a

1480
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,839
deeper investigation or more of a

1481
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:15,680
narrative that people would like to see

1482
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
rather than just checking of the boxes.

1483
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,720
And so ultimately we sat down with at

1484
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200
that time we we still had Captain Frank

1485
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,599
Delporto who is now um an assistant

1486
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,839
sheriff himself. We sat down with

1487
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,079
administrative sergeant uh Baragno and

1488
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:37,280
we went over each of the 10 audited uh inquiries that that the sheriff's

1489
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,520
office had looked at. We got on the same

1490
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,319
page to just better understand uh any

1491
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:44,160
missing pieces that we could not

1492
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,079
decipher from the information that was

1493
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,319
provided to us. And so I just want to

1494
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:52,240
slowly go over my attachment for the the

1495
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,799
ALPR quarterly report, the town manager

1496
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,280
audit, and just uh explain those

1497
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
differences. So

1498
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,880
we start within the policy comparing the

1499
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,000
audit with the policy section three and

1500
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,640
we go through section 10. And so section

1501
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,799
three is authorized purposes and

1502
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,839
prohibited uses. And so on inquiry one,

1503
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:15,599
we're claiming compliance with the

1504
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,920
information we have and we're stating

1505
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,359
that the reason is that is a that the uh

1506
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:24,799
Woodside ALPR system was utilized was

1507
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,200
because there was a stolen car and this

1508
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,359
reason complies with the town policy

1509
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:33,119
section 3 A C D and G and they're stated

1510
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,920
clearly as to what they are. We then go

1511
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,480
to section four of the policy where we

1512
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,440
discuss data storage and protection. And

1513
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,240
then uh in this section specifically is

1514
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,240
for flock and there's a requirement that

1515
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,640
the town received back from flock very

1516
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,880
specific data on encryption firewalls

1517
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,200
authentication and so the town has

1518
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,440
received that information and so

1519
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,839
confirming that uh to our understanding

1520
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,720
that's compliant as well. Then section

1521
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,760
five, we go into the ALPR data access.

1522
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,319
And so since this first inquiry was made

1523
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,040
by the San Mateo Police Department, we

1524
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,400
then compare our policy to their policy

1525
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,000
to see if the ALP our data access is

1526
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,280
compliant, if the two policies um jive

1527
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,040
with each other, and they in fact do.

1528
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,599
And so we go through each of those

1529
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:25,440
different those different sections of

1530
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,319
the policy 3 through 10 on each of the

1531
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:30,960
10 inquiries that were randomly selected

1532
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,359
by the sheriff's office. And based on

1533
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:35,440
that, we have determined that within

1534
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,480
this quarter, we have compliance to our

1535
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,920
understanding. Now, we're making an

1536
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,240
inference here that ultimately the San

1537
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,640
Mo Police Department, the Redwood City

1538
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,880
Police Department, and the San Monteo

1539
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,880
County Sheriff's Office is complying

1540
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,720
with their own policies. So that's an

1541
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,480
inference that we have to make in good

1542
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,480
faith. And uh basically that really

1543
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,520
summarizes the quarterly report. The

1544
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,839
annual report is created by the

1545
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:04,079
sheriff's department and they're here to

1546
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,480
discuss any questions you may have on

1547
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,640
that. But the town staff, myself

1548
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,440
included, we've deemed that compliant as

1549
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,319
well. Now there has been talk obviously

1550
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,480
uh with what's transpiring with the

1551
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,720
company itself nationally and also

1552
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,720
locally and we're obviously very aware

1553
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,599
of that. Uh we're also aware or we

1554
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,079
believe that we may be the only agency

1555
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:28,559
locally that has such a robust policy

1556
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:31,040
and is meeting on a quarterly basis to

1557
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,200
discuss and kind of go over to make sure

1558
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,319
and continue to question the use of this

1559
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,720
technology in our community. I'm not

1560
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,880
aware of any other local agency that

1561
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,720
happens to be doing that. And so I think

1562
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,799
that that has served us very well

1563
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:46,559
because at the moment, you know, knock

1564
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,640
on wood, with all of the different

1565
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,359
agencies that are um being questioned

1566
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:54,480
for maybe uh data breaches, I am not

1567
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,960
familiar with any of the three agencies

1568
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,799
that we're currently working with being

1569
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,319
at the center of any of that

1570
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:01,839
controversy.

1571
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,960
Also, because this has been such a an

1572
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,559
important topic to the town of Woodside, has gone above and

1573
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,160
beyond to make sure that we're not on

1574
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,559
the canned contract with Flock. It was

1575
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,559
negotiated to make sure that we felt

1576
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:15,599
comfortable and that there were

1577
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:18,400
alterations made and that also we

1578
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,000
created a policy. And so, I think that

1579
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,000
we've created checks and balances here

1580
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,359
on some level that has led to maybe even

1581
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,839
better service. And so, uh, sitting down

1582
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,520
with the sheriff's office here in

1583
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,119
January, uh, Sergeant Baragno, I think

1584
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,039
based off of engagement, based off of

1585
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,839
understanding this council, went through

1586
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:40,480
every single inquiry that has ever hit

1587
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,520
the Town of Woodside ALPR system from

1588
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,559
inception up until the end of this these

1589
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,680
two reports and is stating to us that he

1590
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
sees absolutely no breach, that all of

1591
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,000
those were made by three different

1592
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,400
agencies. the Sanonteo County Sheriff's

1593
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,799
Office, Redwood City Police Department,

1594
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:01,039
and the San Monteo Police Department.

1595
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,839
And so for those reasons, we are stating

1596
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,240
um that we believe we are currently

1597
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,549
compliant.

1598
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,720
Thank you.

1599
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,799
Uh questions for staff or members of the

1600
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:23,029
sheriff's department or flock?

1601
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:23,839
Um I

1602
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:24,640
>> go for it.

1603
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,160
>> I do I I don't know if they wanted to

1604
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,599
say anything that I want just want to

1605
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,160
give that opportunity before I do have

1606
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,630
some questions for them too.

1607
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,319
» Good evening council.

1608
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:37,200
>> Good evening.

1609
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,559
>> Sergeant Bronn with the sheriff's office

1610
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,039
and ready to I got assistant sheriff

1611
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,920
Myers and Lily here with Flock to answer

1612
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,480
any questions you may have.

1613
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,160
Um okay so um this has been obviously a

1614
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,720
big Lily I sort of feel for you the uh

1615
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,920
taken a lot of heat u the past um

1616
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,280
certainly few weeks um so before I came

1617
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,039
here tonight on the on the news the

1618
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:02,799
local news there was a lot of stories

1619
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:05,760
about what's going on in um Oakland and

1620
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,520
Contracasta County and those sorts of

1621
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,359
you know other places that are having

1622
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:11,119
problems they mentioned Mountain View as

1623
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:12,960
well but one of the things that I heard

1624
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,039
was that flock was uh had just changed

1625
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,359
their policy statewide

1626
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,119
that they were not allowing any federal

1627
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:22,799
access throughout the entire state of

1628
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:25,200
California on any of their systems. So

1629
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,200
maybe you can comment on that. I don't

1630
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,640
know if that's correct. I just I heard

1631
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,039
it on Dan Noise on the on the news.

1632
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,680
>> Correct. Hi council members. My name is

1633
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,760
Lily Ho. I'm the public affairs manager

1634
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,359
for flock safety. It's a pleasure to be

1635
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:41,680
here with you this evening. Um, council

1636
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,599
member, uh, correct. We created that

1637
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,720
policy, uh, in March of last year, and

1638
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,200
that was to help agencies comply with

1639
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,079
state laws and we instituted that for

1640
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:57,680
the state of Virginia as well as the

1641
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,280
state of California.

1642
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,119
>> So that means that no federal agencies

1643
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,520
can access any flock databases in

1644
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,839
California. that in addition to removing

1645
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:10,160
nationalwide lookup, nationwide lookup

1646
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,640
from California agencies so that there

1647
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,880
could be no accidents.

1648
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,599
>> Okay. So, are any of the incidents we've

1649
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,440
heard about Mountain View probably being

1650
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,000
the most notable did did any of those

1651
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,400
occur after this policy went into place?

1652
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,280
>> No, it would not be possible.

1653
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:28,960
>> Okay. I didn't know that. That's that

1654
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,359
was sort of the issue that I that I had

1655
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:35,280
there. Um, and also, um, uh, I've got

1656
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,520
one for the sheriff's office as well.

1657
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,710
Thank you, Lily. Um,

1658
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,680
the town manager mentioned that you went

1659
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,680
through all of the inquiries since

1660
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,640
inception till roughly now.

1661
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:51,760
>> Yes, that is correct.

1662
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,760
>> So, what was could you just describe the

1663
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,280
process of doing that? I mean, you can't

1664
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,280
you certainly not to the audit level,

1665
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,280
but maybe you looked at who actually the

1666
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,760
agency that made the inquiry. Yeah. So,

1667
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,920
what happened is the system became live

1668
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,760
in May of 2023. Um, so from there, I ran

1669
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,839
a month-by-month report every month from

1670
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:12,319
May of 2023, and I looked into all the

1671
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:15,039
search inquiries of what agencies made

1672
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:18,000
them. Um, for the first three months, it

1673
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,000
was strictly just the sheriff's office.

1674
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,760
Um, then at that point, it went to

1675
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,440
Redwood City and then Sonteo PD. And it

1676
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,520
remained those three agencies throughout

1677
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,200
the the life of the system. Those are

1678
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,119
the only agencies database.

1679
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:32,400
>> The only three agencies that have access

1680
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:32,960
to database.

1681
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,160
>> By the way, is that true not only for

1682
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,599
the Woodside database, but for the

1683
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:37,839
sheriff's office database as well?

1684
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:40,640
>> I cannot say that for the sheriff's

1685
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,240
office database, but based off of my

1686
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,480
knowledge of the sharing, um that would

1687
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,240
not be accurate. The sheriff's office

1688
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,799
database is shares with other agencies.

1689
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:51,680
>> Perfect. Thank you.

1690
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,160
>> Yeah, questions. I think I've got

1691
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,720
questions for the town manager, for um

1692
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,359
our sheriff representatives, and for

1693
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:00,960
Miss Hoe. So, I'm going to start with

1694
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,039
the town manager.

1695
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:07,680
Um so, as our town manager, you oversee

1696
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,079
our contract, our contracts with Flock

1697
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,160
and the sheriff, right?

1698
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,920
>> Yes.

1699
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,880
>> Um I wanted to start off by asking about

1700
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,920
the the verification of the request and

1701
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,440
confirm sharing model. Um, so the staff

1702
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:26,080
report indicates that sharing is a is

1703
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,520
approved on a request and confirm basis

1704
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,480
and that to date no requests have been

1705
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,120
approved this year other than to the

1706
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,960
three authorized agencies which are Sano

1707
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,359
County Sheriff, San Monteo Police

1708
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,679
Department and Redwood City Police

1709
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:45,279
Department.

1710
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,920
However, Athetherton's policy failed

1711
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,480
because the volume of requests made

1712
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,279
manual approval no longer feasible

1713
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,480
leading to unauthorized access.

1714
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:58,239
So,

1715
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,080
uh just to state it again, the staff

1716
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,600
report states we operate on a strict

1717
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,640
request and confirm basis. So given that

1718
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,960
Athetherton admitted they stopped

1719
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,960
following this protocol because the

1720
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,440
volume of requests made it no longer

1721
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:14,000
feasible, can you confirm that a human

1722
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,000
being is physically reviewing every

1723
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,030
single request from outside agencies?

1724
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,199
» You know to to answer that question, I

1725
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:25,759
would say that ultimately we're not

1726
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:27,920
engaging the request is my

1727
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,679
understanding. And so requests are

1728
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:32,239
coming in consistently from all over the

1729
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,239
state of California. and based off of um

1730
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:40,080
I think a conservative approach to maybe

1731
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,319
uh what is perceived direction from the

1732
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,040
council even though it states in our

1733
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,120
policy that we can share with anyone in

1734
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,000
the state of California that it has been

1735
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,120
kind of the um inferred policy that

1736
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,120
pretty much any request that comes in

1737
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,199
that's not from Redwood City Police

1738
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,679
Department, Sanonteo Police Department

1739
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,159
or the Sheriff's Office themselves is

1740
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,480
just dismissed. it's not even reviewed.

1741
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,760
It's not even it it's not um considered.

1742
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,480
And so ultimately there may be an

1743
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,360
excessive amount of them, but it's not

1744
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,760
weighing us down as as you're stating

1745
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,600
it's weighing Athetherton down because

1746
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,080
we're we're not even engaging the

1747
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,480
request.

1748
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,560
Um, and so Mountain View recently

1749
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,000
discovered that their cameras were

1750
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,360
inadvertently set to nationwide um, and

1751
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,920
statewide sharing modes, which allowed

1752
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,840
hundreds of agencies to access data

1753
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,560
without the chief's knowledge. Have you

1754
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,400
personally logged into the flock system

1755
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,400
or the transparency portal to verify

1756
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,840
that our sharing permissions are

1757
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,400
strictly limited to the three agencies

1758
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,400
listed in the report, the Sanonteo

1759
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,239
County Sheriff's Office, Sanonteo PD,

1760
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,719
and the Redwood City PD, and that no

1761
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:53,120
batch or default settings have autopop

1762
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,120
populated other agencies.

1763
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,960
>> I haven't personally logged into the

1764
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,679
ALPR system to review that. What I've

1765
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:01,840
done is I've reached out because right

1766
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,840
now preparing this document while um the

1767
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,880
story was breaking ultimately I reached

1768
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,360
out to our representative at Flock and

1769
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,600
asked that specific question last week

1770
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,120
is that uh having read information I was

1771
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,080
finding that there were two boxes that

1772
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,560
um hypothetically could be checked that

1773
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,199
I was never made aware of uh which was

1774
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:27,440
national and state and I wanted

1775
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:32,000
confirmation from Flock talk that that had never happened in in Woodside.

1776
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,960
And so ultimately um that hasn't been

1777
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,640
rectified yet. I think that there has to

1778
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,640
be maybe a deeper dive or maybe we can

1779
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,040
get an answer from Flock this evening.

1780
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,840
So that's why we went with uh Sergeant

1781
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,520
Baragno's uh personal look at at and

1782
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,320
review of each individual request that

1783
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,320
has been made from 20 or that has been

1784
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,120
granted from 2023 until this moment. And

1785
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,600
so the way that I went about seeking to

1786
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,760
better understand the compliance, not

1787
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,120
being a user of the ALPR system because

1788
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,199
I'm not a law enforcement officer, was

1789
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:06,640
to reach out to Flock to better

1790
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,159
understand if they could answer that

1791
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:09,920
question for us. And at the moment, I I

1792
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:16,630
don't have an answer.

1793
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,480
Okay, moving on to the town manager

1794
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,199
audit. wanted to talk about its reliance

1795
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,920
on boilerplate language um versus actual

1796
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,239
practice and also um our acceptance of

1797
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,560
blocks written confirmation around their

1798
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,280
security practices. So in several audit

1799
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280
inquiries and I'd point out inquiry

1800
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,600
number two and three as examples. Um,

1801
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,960
the report marks the search as compliant

1802
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,120
by simply quoting the sheriff's written

1803
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,400
policy against immigration enforcement

1804
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,560
rather than verifying what the officer

1805
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,280
actually did. The audit report relies on

1806
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,520
vendor promises rather than independent

1807
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,000
verification, which proved disastrous

1808
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,000
for Mountain View.

1809
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,760
So the question is why does the town

1810
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,239
manager audit report use the exact same

1811
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:04,640
boilerplate language regarding federal

1812
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,360
immigration enforcement in every search

1813
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,120
conducted by the sheriff's office which

1814
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,480
would be inquiries 2 3 6 7 8 and 10

1815
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:13,920
regardless of the crime being

1816
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,189
investigated.

1817
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,800
the uh really my perspective is is that

1818
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,159
the Brady bill makes it a crime for a

1819
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,199
law enforcement officer to lie. And so

1820
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,080
ultimately I'm utilizing the policies

1821
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,360
that they have um that they have signed

1822
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,880
up for uh at their uh selected places of

1823
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,000
business whether it be the sheriff's

1824
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,320
office or uh the Sanonteo Police

1825
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,520
Department, Redwood City Police

1826
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,520
Department, because that's the only way

1827
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,920
that I have to compare is to validate

1828
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,239
that the policy matches our policy and

1829
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,560
it's a good faith level of trust at the

1830
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,880
moment. I'm definitely more than willing

1831
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,840
to look at different ways to enforce

1832
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,800
this policy, but unfortunately at this

1833
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,480
moment, this is the only understanding

1834
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,719
that I have. But I would definitely take

1835
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:05,199
any um

1836
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,159
uh opportunities for a different way of validating this that

1837
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:13,120
you may think would be more um

1838
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,280
efficient.

1839
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,280
Um, under the data storage and

1840
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,120
protection section, the town manager

1841
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,000
audit states that compliance is met via

1842
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,320
an annual written confirmation from

1843
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,040
Flock. Mountain View relied on similar

1844
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,040
assurances only to discover their

1845
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,280
cameras were sharing data nationwide for

1846
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,440
months without their knowledge. Given

1847
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:35,360
that flock admitted to system failures

1848
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,600
in Mountain View, is a written note from

1849
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,159
the vendor sufficient proof for Woodside

1850
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,000
or in your estimation, should we demand

1851
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,080
an independent technical inspection of

1852
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,719
our system settings?

1853
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:48,960
It's compliant to the policy, I guess,

1854
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,719
is uh ultimately my job at the moment is

1855
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,880
to work with the policy that the town

1856
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,600
council has uh dictated and voted on as

1857
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,480
the policy that they would like me to

1858
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,400
utilize in order to create the quarterly

1859
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,920
report. And so I just uh I really take

1860
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,000
direction from whether or not the

1861
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,920
council is interested in altering that

1862
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,840
policy. And until they are interested in

1863
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,600
altering that policy, my job is to

1864
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,560
comply with the policy. And ultimately

1865
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,040
that is how the policy uh that's how I

1866
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:24,800
infer the policy claims compliance is to it it literally states in the

1867
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,199
policy that once a year the town manager

1868
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,280
is to request that that information that

1869
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,520
information from flock and that that is

1870
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,189
a compliance.

1871
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:36,960
» All right. Um I want to talk a little

1872
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,199
bit about shadow sharing with federal

1873
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:41,120
agencies. Um I'm sure it's something you

1874
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,440
read about in the in the news reports.

1875
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,520
So, uh, state law and woodside policy

1876
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,040
prohibit sharing data with federal

1877
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,120
agencies, including but not limited to

1878
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,840
for, uh, immigration enforcement.

1879
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,679
However, investigations in Oakland and

1880
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,120
San Francisco revealed that local

1881
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,600
officers were searching ALPR data on

1882
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,159
behalf of federal agencies by entering

1883
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,280
terms like FBI wanted suspect or ICE

1884
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,560
case into the search reason field. Here

1885
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,400
in Woodside, we authorize data sharing

1886
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,960
only with three agencies. What technical

1887
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,520
or policy controls prevent officers in

1888
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,280
those departments from searching

1889
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,960
Woodid's data on behalf of federal

1890
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,280
agencies?

1891
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,760
>> Yeah, that's uh I'd say the Brady Bill

1892
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,760
or or whatever type of progressive

1893
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,239
discipline is is utilized in those

1894
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:29,360
offices uh over over breaking their own

1895
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,880
policies. And so there's really my

1896
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,679
understanding there's no there's no way

1897
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:38,560
for me to uh even within my office,

1898
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,280
let's just remove the ALPR policy, but

1899
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,440
if someone in my office is performing a

1900
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,239
function uh and they're they're claiming

1901
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,320
they're doing it in good faith,

1902
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,040
ultimately the assumption is is that

1903
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,120
it's being done in good faith based off

1904
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,880
of them abiding by the town's policies.

1905
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,400
And then if it's found out that they're

1906
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320
not abiding by those policies, I think

1907
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,080
that's when progressive discipline has

1908
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,920
to be made at each individual

1909
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,320
department. So that's another instance

1910
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,880
that I'm certainly open to different

1911
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,800
ways to validate that we're gaining

1912
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,679
compliance. But under the current policy

1913
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:15,920
and under the current structure of

1914
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,840
management of law enforcement for the

1915
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,640
town of Woodside is a contract law

1916
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,640
enforcement organization rather than

1917
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,640
where I came from, where I manage the

1918
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,120
police chief. It's just a different

1919
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,679
dynamic. So, if the town of Woodside had

1920
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:31,600
a police chief that reported to the town

1921
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,120
manager, it would be completely

1922
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,520
acceptable for me to treat that person's

1923
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,719
workspace as my own. They were reporting

1924
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:41,199
to me and that ultimately I had a lot of

1925
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,560
uh a lot of rights to dig into that

1926
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,800
department. here. It would be a little

1927
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,000
bit um I'm not exactly sure how I would

1928
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,600
go about reaching out to the police

1929
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,320
chief in San Mateo and and to gain

1930
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,640
validation. It would be kind of

1931
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:01,360
accusatory to to to believe that um that

1932
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,120
ultimately somebody is violating that.

1933
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,880
But I also live in reality and I

1934
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,640
understand that that it's been proven

1935
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:11,440
that that's being violated. So, it's a matter of faith that there's a

1936
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,440
policy that's being that's being

1937
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:16,400
followed by each organization and and

1938
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,800
but I still defer to the council if

1939
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,000
they'd like another mechanism to try to

1940
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,920
prove that.

1941
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,760
>> So, if a Redwood City officer runs a

1942
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,000
search on our on our data for an FBI

1943
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,280
task force, would our audit catch it?

1944
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,040
>> No. If somebody lied, if if um one of

1945
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,199
the things I saw from a desk item from

1946
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:39,280
Mr. middleman that came in was just a

1947
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,120
really great summary of just uh

1948
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,440
nationally. And so you'll see these

1949
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,760
instances where somebody will be looking

1950
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,440
up their ex-wife or their

1951
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:50,239
ex-girlfriend's vehicle in other states.

1952
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:54,080
And so ultimately if somebody is lying

1953
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,120
in the computer system, I don't I don't

1954
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,840
believe that we're going to have um it's

1955
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,000
possible if we're kind of if if there's

1956
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,480
more cues, but it would be very

1957
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:07,120
difficult if there's a claim here on

1958
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:11,920
let's say you pointed out uh number two.

1959
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,679
is stated as mail theft and

1960
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:19,040
so I'm taking that at its face value

1961
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,719
that I believe it's mail theft. But you

1962
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:22,480
rais a very good point is that

1963
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,480
ultimately is there a law enforcement

1964
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,880
officer making that claim and then doing

1965
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,800
a a a shadow uh drop of information to

1966
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,600
another agency? That could be happening.

1967
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,760
But that very accusatory of me to to to

1968
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,360
make that statement to a law enforcement

1969
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,280
officer. And so it's a it's good faith.

1970
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,440
That's a level of trust.

1971
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,960
>> Council member Wall. Yeah, I believe

1972
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,080
like the Oakland scenario, I'm not

1973
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,199
really familiar with it, but probably

1974
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:48,719
there was some sort of internal affairs

1975
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:50,800
investigation where they uncovered that

1976
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,560
their local officer was sharing with the

1977
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,400
federal government or immigration or

1978
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,480
whatnot. Uh that would probably result

1979
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,080
in an internal affairs investigation.

1980
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,360
That's the same thing we would do if we

1981
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,880
found out someone had lied on a search

1982
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,560
or something like that. And that could,

1983
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,120
you know, result in, you know, time off,

1984
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,480
disciplinary action, progressive

1985
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,480
discipline. So that would be a violation

1986
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,239
of our internal policy as well as state

1987
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:15,120
law. So it'd be you'd be in trouble.

1988
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,280
>> Um, so just continuing on Jason, so the

1989
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,280
staff report notes that there were

1990
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,080
117,723

1991
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,040
total search queries, uh, since we only

1992
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,800
audited 10 of them. Uh, could we run a

1993
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,040
keyword search across all of those

1994
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,800
queries? uh justifications for red tag

1995
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,239
terms such as ICE, DHS, federal

1996
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,440
deportation, deportation, HSI to ensure

1997
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,040
that our data isn't being used to

1998
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,880
violate California law.

1999
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,800
>> I believe we can run that search. I

2000
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,880
don't know if it will garner uh you've

2001
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,320
pointed out that there's kind of the

2002
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,080
shadow idea and stuff, but I believe

2003
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,000
that it would be totally capable for us

2004
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,480
to run a search about cases. I would

2005
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,000
>> Yes, council member. We uh for our

2006
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,440
sheriff's office database we routinely

2007
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:02,640
do that with county council.

2008
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,719
>> So just I I I have a whole host of

2009
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:06,080
questions for you all that will kind of

2010
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,000
delve into I'm more asking can the town

2011
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,679
manager run the search? What like I'm

2012
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:11,280
wondering in your capacity as the

2013
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,520
custodian of the contract would you run

2014
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,960
that search? And maybe you don't know.

2015
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,679
>> Yeah. My belief is that I can't. And I

2016
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:24,320
think we've had this conversation on on multiple occasions is that um my

2017
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,159
interpretation of our policy, my

2018
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,000
interpretation of the policy at the

2019
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,400
Sanonteo County Sheriff's Office is that

2020
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,239
you have to be a sworn officer or

2021
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:35,440
literally work within uh the department

2022
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,960
itself to have the access of in order to

2023
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,120
make a search query of of that

2024
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,120
magnitude. Now we have a different level

2025
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,760
of access that um our assistant town

2026
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,719
manager has um that was provided to us

2027
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:51,840
as kind of the staff liaison but it is

2028
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,120
completely different than the actual APR

2029
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,000
system to do an audit of that magnitude

2030
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,880
or just an audit in general. We would be

2031
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,360
leaning on requesting that audit being

2032
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:07,280
made by the administrative sergeant.

2033
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,520
>> Um I want to turn to the statistical

2034
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,920
significance of the audit itself. So the

2035
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,480
ALPR quarterly report relies on an audit

2036
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,120
of only 10 random searches out of nearly

2037
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,480
118,000 total queries. In Athetherton,

2038
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,080
unauthorized searches numbered in the

2039
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,159
thousands and many lacked proper uh

2040
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,000
justification.

2041
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,840
So because our audit reviewed only 10

2042
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,400
random searches to determine compliance.

2043
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,080
Um and given that there were over

2044
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,960
117,000 queries, this sample size

2045
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,320
represents less than 0.01% of the total

2046
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,440
activity. Can you confidently certify to

2047
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:42,960
this council that the system is

2048
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,199
compliant with our privacy policy when

2049
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:48,000
only when 99.99%

2050
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,440
of the search queries were never

2051
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,400
examined?

2052
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,480
>> Yeah, I can say it's compliant with our

2053
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,120
policy because our policy clearly states

2054
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:02,310
we're to only audit 10.

2055
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:02,639
Uh

2056
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:04,800
>> would you commit to a more robust audit

2057
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,520
that flags incomplete or suspicious

2058
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,080
search justifications?

2059
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,159
I would submit to the will of the

2060
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,120
council.

2061
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:16,800
>> Uh, in Menlo Park, officers were

2062
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,480
conducting searches with insufficient

2063
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:20,719
justifications, such as simply typing in

2064
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:23,440
crime. In Tibberon, an investigation

2065
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:26,080
revealed that 23 agencies potentially

2066
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,719
violated privacy protections. Yet, their

2067
01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:31,280
audit of five searches per month missed

2068
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,080
these violations completely. Since rogue

2069
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,560
officers often hide searches by entering

2070
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,920
vague terms like investigation or crime,

2071
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,760
could st could town staff run an

2072
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,400
automated keyword audit of all 117,723

2073
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,040
justification fields rather than relying

2074
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:53,280
on a manual review of just 10.

2075
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,520
>> Yeah. In order to do that, I believe we

2076
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,600
would have to be given access to the

2077
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,280
system as though we were a law

2078
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,679
enforcement officer to run a query like

2079
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:03,679
that. And so ultimately I would just

2080
01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:07,040
defer to a flock. Is is that a service

2081
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:10,880
that um the town itself could actually

2082
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,040
uh purchase from you? My understanding

2083
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,920
is currently within our contract the

2084
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:22,320
default administrator falls to uh the administrative sergeant. And so this

2085
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,560
would be another instance where we would

2086
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,040
be reliant to make the request to run

2087
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:32,000
that query through Sergeant Vagno.

2088
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,600
Um, all right. I want to turn our focus

2089
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,560
to data retention and deletion. So,

2090
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,639
Woodside's policy dictates that data

2091
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:41,199
must not be stored beyond 60 days.

2092
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:43,040
However, the San Mo County Sheriff's

2093
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,360
Office policy defaults to a one-year

2094
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,960
retention period unless the local

2095
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,320
jurisdiction requests otherwise. Um, so

2096
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,840
you know, since our policy strictly

2097
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,920
limits retention to 60 days, but the

2098
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,159
sheriff's office policy defaults to one

2099
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,560
year, can you provide technical

2100
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,480
verification from Flock that the

2101
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,040
deletion setting for Woodid's specific

2102
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,520
cameras is set to 60 days and that

2103
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,760
overrides the sheriff's default one-year

2104
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,760
retention policy.

2105
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,840
>> Yeah, that's my understanding from our

2106
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,000
contract with Flock is that we're on a

2107
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,560
system that automatically deletes after

2108
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,080
60 days. uh the retention policies for

2109
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,520
each individual agency. I uh my

2110
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,520
understanding is ultimately they're

2111
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,560
following along the lines of uh like a

2112
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,320
hot a a a hot list item, right? That

2113
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,719
they're following up on a case. And then

2114
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:38,560
the our policy also allows um the

2115
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,360
retention to last longer than 60 days.

2116
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:48,239
uh it to follow the normal legality of of retaining information based off of

2117
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:50,639
it being in a case itself. And so

2118
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:52,960
ultimately there are some instances

2119
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,080
where hypothetically in perpetuity data

2120
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,639
would be stored uh because it was

2121
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:01,280
involved in a case. But my understanding

2122
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,199
is based off of our contract with Flock

2123
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,760
is yeah is that it is deleted after 60

2124
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:06,960
days.

2125
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,719
>> Do you have any documentation that shows

2126
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:14,390
that? just the contract itself.

2127
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,080
» The staff report states that Flock

2128
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,920
automatically manages the deletion

2129
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,320
cycle. Have you performed an independent

2130
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,960
test to verify that data captured 61

2131
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,040
days ago is definitively gone from the

2132
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,760
server or we are or are we relying

2133
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,120
solely on vendor asurances?

2134
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:36,149
>> Yeah, we're relying on vendor asurances.

2135
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,320
» Um, two more topics to cover. Thank you

2136
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,880
so much for uh bearing with me with

2137
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,120
these questions. Um so on the topic of

2138
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,360
managing hot lists, the staff report

2139
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,280
notes that hot lists, which are lists of

2140
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,520
wanted plates, are downloaded daily and

2141
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,800
resulted in over 5,000 alerts. Our

2142
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,120
system downloads hot lists from state

2143
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,760
and national databases. Do we filter

2144
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:59,679
these lists to ensure they do not

2145
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:01,600
include civil immigration warrants or

2146
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,600
administrative warrants from ICE?

2147
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,520
>> That's a great question. you know, I'd

2148
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,480
have to really defer to uh the

2149
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:14,719
administrative sergeant on that.

2150
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:17,520
>> And then the final topic is system e

2151
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,400
efficacy. Um so there is a disparity

2152
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,199
between the volume of uh between the

2153
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:25,120
volume of surveillance and the actual

2154
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,920
local public safety outcomes. The annual

2155
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,639
report states that in 2025, our cameras

2156
01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:34,159
performed over 3.1 million scans and

2157
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,880
generated 5,27

2158
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,520
hot list alerts. However, this massive

2159
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:40,960
intake of data is credited with

2160
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,880
assisting in the recovery of only two

2161
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,520
stolen vehicles and four arrests for

2162
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,520
crimes specifically occurring within

2163
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,000
Woodside. Given that one of the

2164
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,480
significant investigations cited in the

2165
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,440
report actually occurred in Porta Valley

2166
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,120
and considering that cities like Santa

2167
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,960
Cruz and Los Altos Hills recently

2168
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,719
terminated their contracts because they

2169
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,719
determined the privacy risks outweighed

2170
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:05,120
the benefits. How does the town justify

2171
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:06,800
the mass surveillance of millions of

2172
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,800
drivers when the system yields such a

2173
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,840
statistically negligible return for for

2174
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,159
resolving crimes inside our own borders?

2175
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:18,239
>> Yeah. Uh that's a that's a great

2176
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:20,159
question. And I think ultimately, you

2177
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:23,040
know, we have 26 cameras. There was a

2178
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,760
request from the council for a 27th near

2179
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,600
Running Me. And so we're awaiting

2180
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,960
installation. And so one car could

2181
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:34,800
travel through town uh and and be on all

2182
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,199
26 of those cameras. And so they would

2183
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:40,320
account for part of that million that's

2184
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,120
going through. Uh I think that this is a

2185
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,760
question in in the 21st century that

2186
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,840
you're asking. Ultimately, I commute

2187
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:49,920
consistently over the bridge and and

2188
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,000
there I am. You know, I get I get

2189
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,080
something in the mail constantly

2190
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,040
tracking essentially where I'm headed.

2191
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:02,960
Uh and and that's kind of the the where the United States or where the

2192
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,280
world currently stands at the moment. I have something in my in my pocket that

2193
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,280
knows exactly where I am, knows a lot of

2194
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,880
my habits, is listening to what I'm

2195
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,360
saying. in a lot of instances. I would

2196
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,639
say that for me uh as the town manager,

2197
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,719
I don't reside in the town of Woodside,

2198
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:20,639
but one of my biggest fears for the town

2199
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,400
of Woodside is for the safety and

2200
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:24,719
security of the folks that do live here

2201
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:26,719
and that ultimately that that tradeoff

2202
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:32,239
is beneficial to to the community and I stand by that and I I understand

2203
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,320
the consequences of what's currently

2204
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,120
transpiring, but ultimately I really

2205
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,280
believe uh rather than being as

2206
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,760
transparent as we are that ultimately

2207
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,239
we're showcasing where these cameras are

2208
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:47,440
located to people um that may want to

2209
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:50,000
cause harm in our community. And so I I

2210
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,840
would I would be on the opposite side of

2211
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,040
that of removing the the front the

2212
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,120
public facing documentation that shows

2213
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,480
everybody where these cameras are

2214
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,480
located because I believe that in the

2215
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,400
context of security for the town of

2216
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,159
Woodside that ultimately uh we're going

2217
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:08,480
to lean on this type of technology

2218
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,040
rather than the escalated costs that it

2219
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,000
means to bring extra officers uh on foot

2220
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,159
patrol within the community. We're going

2221
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:17,920
to see less of that because the cost of

2222
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,360
that is escalating and we're going to

2223
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,400
have to really rely on the technology

2224
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,159
and I think we have an opportunity here

2225
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:26,320
tonight. Flock is here. We have the

2226
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,560
assistant sheriff is here. I think that

2227
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,480
there's an interest in the use of the

2228
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,360
technology. There's an interest in in

2229
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,080
finding a balance for the sec for the

2230
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,560
security of the data and that we can

2231
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,960
make incremental positive change with

2232
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,040
the current system that we have. and I

2233
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,520
believe that the town is justified to

2234
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,840
maintain this system.

2235
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,080
>> Thank you very much. Um so turning to

2236
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:53,600
the sheriff, thank you so much for being

2237
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,400
here tonight. So not sure which of you

2238
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,840
uh plan to answer, but I'll just direct

2239
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,880
my questions at both of you. Um because

2240
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,800
I'm interested in asking some questions

2241
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,040
about how you operationalize Woodside's

2242
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,440
p privacy policy because while the town

2243
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:08,960
manager oversees the contract, the

2244
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,800
sheriff's office is actually the enduser

2245
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,400
of the system.

2246
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,040
Um, and based on the discrepancies in

2247
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,960
the sheriff's own policy documents

2248
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,080
versus Woodid's policy and the specific

2249
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,719
failures seen in nearby agencies, I just

2250
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:25,040
wanted to ask a few questions. Um, so

2251
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,120
the first uh topic goes to the shadow

2252
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,679
sharing issue that um I asked our town

2253
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:30,880
manager a couple questions on it and

2254
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,639
we've, you know, it's been widely

2255
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:35,520
reported in the news. Um, so news

2256
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,600
reports from Oakland and San Francisco

2257
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,080
revealed that local officers were not

2258
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,080
officially sharing data with FBI or ICE,

2259
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,080
but were instead running searches on

2260
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,960
their behalf by typing in terms like FBI

2261
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,760
wanted or ICE case into the search

2262
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,679
reason field. Um, investigations in

2263
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:57,600
Oakland found that while data sharing

2264
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,320
was technically disabled, officers were

2265
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,320
running uh were simply running searches

2266
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,400
on behalf of federal agents they worked

2267
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,840
with. Do San Monteo County deputies that

2268
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,480
are assigned to federal task forces like

2269
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:14,320
the FBI or DEA have access to Woodside's

2270
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,149
ALPR data?

2271
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,960
» Yes.

2272
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:21,679
Okay.

2273
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:26,239
>> Um, and so what technical barrier steps

2274
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,800
what technical barrier stops them from

2275
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,639
manually running a plate for a federal

2276
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:33,040
partner?

2277
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,719
>> The fact that it would be a violation of

2278
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:36,159
our policy and if they were cooperating

2279
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:37,840
with immigration be a violation of state

2280
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:38,880
law.

2281
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,040
>> Okay. But there's no technical barrier.

2282
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,120
>> No, you're relying on the deputy's

2283
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,910
integrity.

2284
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,960
and your report shows over 117,000

2285
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,120
queries were run. Since we can't

2286
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,000
manually review all of them, would it be

2287
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,080
possible to run an automated keyword

2288
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,880
search on the justification or the

2289
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,239
reason field for all 117,000 past

2290
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:07,040
queries looking for terms like ICE or

2291
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,719
immigration, homeland security

2292
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:11,199
investigation, things like that?

2293
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:13,199
>> Yes, the export file is basically in a

2294
01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:16,480
Excel format. So, we can search for any

2295
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:18,159
kind of words you want in there. We were

2296
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,159
actually doing a audit of our sheriff's

2297
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:22,639
office one and we found uh DHS was in

2298
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,800
it. Uh a little more investigations. We

2299
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,239
found out it was actually Desert Hot

2300
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:29,760
Springs PD. So, we do do routine audits.

2301
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,440
Um in addition to that, we are also

2302
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,679
working with the civil grand jury. Uh

2303
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:35,440
we've pro provided them an audit for our

2304
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:37,120
last 60 days as well as our policy.

2305
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,639
Flock's going to be working with them to

2306
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:40,080
ensure that we're operating within the

2307
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,080
best policies and procedures. But yes,

2308
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:46,000
we can we can do a key search word for u

2309
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,760
uh all the searches we've had.

2310
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,000
>> Okay, that's really fantastic to hear.

2311
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,159
Um I wanted to turn to the conflicting

2312
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,719
retention policies. So there's a direct

2313
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,719
conflict between the sheriff's office

2314
01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:58,880
policy and the town of Woodid's policy

2315
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,080
regarding how long data is kept. As a

2316
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,239
contract city, Woodside's situation is

2317
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:05,920
different from peer communities like

2318
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,239
Menlo Park, uh, Mountain View, and

2319
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:10,320
Athetherton because Woodside maintains

2320
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,800
legislative ownership of the cameras

2321
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,360
while delegating operational control to

2322
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,080
an external agency that the sheriff. So,

2323
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,800
this creates a pretty unique uh policy

2324
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,440
versus practice gap doesn't exist in

2325
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:26,480
cities with their own police chiefs. Um,

2326
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:28,159
specifically, there are conflicting

2327
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,440
retention per policies. one year for the

2328
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:33,040
sheriff's policy, 60 days for the

2329
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,760
Woodside policy. Unlike pure cities

2330
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,600
where the city council and and police

2331
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,639
chief can align on one policy, Woodside

2332
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:42,960
has a direct conflict between its local

2333
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,199
ordinance and the agency operating the

2334
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,760
system. Woodside's policy mandates the

2335
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,480
data must be deleted after 60 days, but

2336
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,320
the sheriff's policy states that the data is retained for a minimum

2337
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,040
of one year. This creates risk, right?

2338
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:58,800
While the sheriff's policy contains a

2339
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,480
clause allowing for different retention

2340
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,800
periods, if a local government requests

2341
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,920
it, this requires technical segregation.

2342
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,000
If Woodid's cameras are not strictly

2343
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,000
siloed from the sheriff's general

2344
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,560
network, Woodid's data could default to

2345
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,639
the county's one-year retention period,

2346
01:35:14,639 --> 01:35:17,440
violating Woodside's privacy ordinance.

2347
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:20,719
Um, can you explain how you segregate

2348
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:22,320
Woodid's data from the rest of the

2349
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,280
county's data to ensure that our 60-day

2350
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,199
limit is technically enforced and not

2351
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,800
overridden by the county's one-year

2352
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,950
default?

2353
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,480
» Yes, they're two different two

2354
01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:36,000
completely different systems. So,

2355
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,960
Woodside is it's on its own network and

2356
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,520
I've personally verified that the data I

2357
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,280
think there's some confusion in terms

2358
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,840
data retention here. Um the data

2359
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,239
retention for the 60 days is part of the

2360
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,320
searchable database that as an

2361
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,560
investigator I would go in and conduct a

2362
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,239
search. I personally know that cuz it

2363
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:55,679
affected one of your residents when I

2364
01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:58,400
was not able to do a search at the 61day

2365
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,440
mark and look for a suspect vehicle um

2366
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,360
when I was asked to do that. So I know

2367
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,199
that policy. I know the retention

2368
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:07,760
firsthand is 60 days and there's no

2369
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,560
longer any information left to it. Um

2370
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,560
where the confliction is I think or the

2371
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,320
confusion is once that information

2372
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,400
becomes part of a case then it's part of

2373
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,400
a criminal investigation and then it

2374
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,080
falls under the standards of the

2375
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,760
evidence code legal proceedings um and

2376
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,600
the case um and the progression through

2377
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,320
the court system.

2378
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,840
There's no there's not going to be any

2379
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,760
kind of confusion as far as the 60 days

2380
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,360
versus the um the sheriff's office

2381
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,960
retention policy because they operate on

2382
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,560
two completely different systems.

2383
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,159
Thanks.

2384
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,040
Um, in Mountain View, I want to talk

2385
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:46,480
about Mountain View for a minute. So,

2386
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,960
Mountain View recently suspended their

2387
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:50,719
program because their cameras were

2388
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:53,199
inadvertently set to nationwide sharing

2389
01:36:53,199 --> 01:36:55,920
mode without the chief's knowledge,

2390
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,520
which allowed federal agencies,

2391
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,440
including the Bureau of Alcohol,

2392
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:02,159
Tobacco, and Firearms, among a number of

2393
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:05,119
other agencies, to access their data. So

2394
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:06,480
essentially, Mountain View discovered

2395
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,480
their cameras were sharing data with

2396
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:10,320
federal agencies because of a default

2397
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,880
setting they didn't know was on. When

2398
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,040
was the last time, if ever, someone in

2399
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:16,719
your office physically looked at the

2400
01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:18,960
sharing configuration screen for

2401
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,000
Woodsides specific cameras to verify

2402
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,000
they are not set to nationwide or

2403
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,239
statewide sharing?

2404
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:29,840
>> I personally did about a month ago.

2405
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,280
>> And what did you learn?

2406
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,000
>> I'm sorry.

2407
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,080
>> And what did you discover? they're off.

2408
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,159
And then when I went and manually did a

2409
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,880
network search of every network inquiry,

2410
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,880
I verified that no outside agencies

2411
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,960
other than the sheriff's office, Redwood

2412
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,960
City, and Santo PD utilize the database.

2413
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,639
>> Similar to Mountain View Police

2414
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:52,480
Department, could the San Monteo County

2415
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,480
Sheriff's Office undertake a deeper

2416
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,320
review to determine whether nationwide

2417
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,159
or statewide sharing has ever been

2418
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:02,310
enabled in Woodside?

2419
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:05,040
There's no way to tell if the switch was

2420
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:06,639
on or if we were going to call it a

2421
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:09,119
switch um which allowed that. But I know

2422
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,719
personally that since I've gone through

2423
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:14,320
every single one that if it was on at

2424
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,960
some point it was never utilized because

2425
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,320
of the search.

2426
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,800
>> Turning to hot list integrity. Uh your

2427
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,880
system automatically downloads hot lists

2428
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,960
which are lists of wanted license plates

2429
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,199
from state and national databases.

2430
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:31,040
However, these lists can sometimes

2431
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,360
include civil civil immigration warrants

2432
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,080
or administrative warrants that that do

2433
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,119
not represent criminal threats.

2434
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:40,960
The sheriff's policy states that hot

2435
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,280
lists are downloaded daily from state

2436
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,080
and national databases. Do you apply a

2437
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,320
filter to these lists to ensure they do

2438
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,000
not contain civil immigration warrants?

2439
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,480
>> Yes, for uh the information that's

2440
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,719
downloaded, we call it through klet,

2441
01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:59,440
which is the California law enforcement

2442
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:01,280
telecommunications. I might get the

2443
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:02,639
acronym wrong, but that's where all the

2444
01:39:02,639 --> 01:39:04,400
warrants come through. We would have

2445
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,080
there would be no immigration warrants

2446
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,679
going through that state database.

2447
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:10,239
Likewise, too, if we did have any

2448
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:11,840
external

2449
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,560
uh hot list, uh if it popped up on our

2450
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:15,600
screen and it showed that it was an

2451
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,440
immigration violation or immigration

2452
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:20,239
warrant, we would simply ignore it.

2453
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,199
>> So, if a plate hits on a noncriminal

2454
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:25,600
invest immigration detainer, would your

2455
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:31,030
deputies be alerted?

2456
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,480
No, not that I've ever seen.

2457
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:36,800
>> Um, all right. Turning to the audit

2458
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,040
sample size. The quarterly audit

2459
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,760
reviewed only 10 searches out of tens of

2460
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,719
thousands. In Athetherton, unauthorized

2461
01:39:44,719 --> 01:39:46,159
searches number numbered in the

2462
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:48,480
thousands. Do you believe that a sample

2463
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:50,960
size of 10 is statistically significant

2464
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,760
enough to catch a rogue officer misusing

2465
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,800
the system? I was following the Woodside

2466
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:03,270
policy.

2467
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,520
» Would you be able to increase the audit

2468
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,000
sample size to at least 1% of all

2469
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,520
queries for the next report?

2470
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,360
>> That would be determined on the board.

2471
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:14,800
But also that would number would

2472
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,239
fluctuate because 1% one month or one

2473
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:19,440
quarter could be completely different

2474
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:22,159
than 1% another month. So

2475
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,760
>> there'd be no like technical impediment

2476
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,639
to you increasing the audit size to 1%.

2477
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:29,600
>> Just manual labor.

2478
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,480
These searches are are done

2479
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:35,760
by me personally um

2480
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,239
through a randomized number generator

2481
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:40,080
and I manually pick those out. So it's

2482
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,520
very labor intensive.

2483
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,719
>> Got it. Um, Athetherton, which has its

2484
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:46,480
own police department, failed to follow

2485
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:48,800
its privacy policy because the commander

2486
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,040
admitted that manually reviewing every

2487
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,520
sharing request was no longer feasible

2488
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,880
due to the volume of requests.

2489
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,119
Uh so Woodside's challenge is, you know,

2490
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:00,960
we're asking the sheriff to enforce a

2491
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,960
strict request and confirm sharing model

2492
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,840
for Woodside that is more restrictive

2493
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,600
than that what you likely practice in

2494
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,080
other parts of

2495
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,159
>> uh because Sonteo County Sheriff's

2496
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,400
Office deputies manage vast amounts of

2497
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,800
data across the county, there is a risk

2498
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,119
they may apply batch approvals, the

2499
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:21,360
specific error that caused Menllo Parks

2500
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,840
breach rather than the individual manual

2501
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,159
review required by Woodsides policy.

2502
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:27,600
Can you say whether that's happening in

2503
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,709
Woodside?

2504
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:32,880
» Yeah. So, I I think we're talking about

2505
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,280
when you say request, you're you're

2506
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:36,960
we're using it interchangeably between

2507
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,199
two different items here. One is a

2508
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:41,520
request request to actually conduct a

2509
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,520
search within the database. And that was

2510
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,119
Roadwood City, Samato, and the sheriff's

2511
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:47,280
office. The request to utilize or have

2512
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:48,960
access to that system comes directly to

2513
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,040
the administrative sergeant, which is

2514
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,199
me. Um, and I have not approved any

2515
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:54,639
other requests that come through and

2516
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:57,360
that is set for a one-on-one review with

2517
01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,119
the town of Woodside's pol or town of

2518
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:02,159
Woodside system. There is an option in

2519
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,800
the system to if someone requests access

2520
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:06,800
automatically gets it. Um, I don't

2521
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:07,920
necessarily know the case with other

2522
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,000
cities, but that may have been that may

2523
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,760
option may have been turned on. It's not

2524
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,719
on with the town of Woodside. Got it.

2525
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,639
>> All right. Thank you. Uh, Miss Ho from

2526
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:24,310
Flock, I have some questions for you.

2527
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,000
So, as you probably guessed, most of my

2528
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,719
questions are based on to the documented

2529
01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:31,679
failures in neighboring towns. Um, so I

2530
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:33,920
wanted to touch on Mountain View first.

2531
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,000
Um, the Mountain View Police suspended

2532
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,840
their program because their cameras were

2533
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,320
inadvertently set to nationwide sharing

2534
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,960
mode, which Flock admitted was a system

2535
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,440
failure on their part.

2536
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:47,840
Can Flock provide a written confirmation

2537
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,159
that Woodside's default installation

2538
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,320
setting is local only and that a

2539
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,480
software update cannot silently revert

2540
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:57,119
our sharing permissions to nationwide?

2541
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:03,750
>> We can provide that written.

2542
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,560
» Thank you. Um,

2543
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,400
so your company assured Mountain View

2544
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,239
that protections were in place. Yet the

2545
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,480
chief later stated that the flock system

2546
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,239
circumvented the protections we

2547
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,960
purposefully built. Why should Woodside

2548
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,960
trust your current assurances if your

2549
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,880
system previously overrode local

2550
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,040
configurations?

2551
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,320
I don't believe that that's true.

2552
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:30,320
When the dates at question for Mountain

2553
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:35,040
View were done during August to November

2554
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,679
of 2024, this is when they were on a

2555
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:40,239
pilot program with Flock. They were not

2556
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,159
yes yet customers. They were testing out

2557
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:44,400
the pro testing out the product. They

2558
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,960
became customers in January and I assume

2559
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,400
that's when their policies fell into

2560
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:56,390
place.

2561
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:58,320
So given what happened in Mountain View

2562
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,639
involving the national lookup tool where

2563
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:02,960
federal agencies access data despite

2564
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,800
local prohibitions.

2565
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,800
Um have a few more questions on that

2566
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,119
topic. So there was a a senator's

2567
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:12,159
oversight inquiry revealed that 75% of

2568
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:14,639
flocks law enforcement customers are

2569
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:16,560
enrolled in the national lookup tool

2570
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,159
which permits searches across

2571
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,320
jurisdictions. Would you be able to

2572
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,000
provide a technical report confirming

2573
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,600
that Woodside is not one of those

2574
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,360
agencies and that the national lookup

2575
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,199
feature is hard disabled in our

2576
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:29,360
configuration? Similar to your first

2577
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:35,910
question, yes, we can do that.

2578
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,400
» So, in Menlo Park, police share data

2579
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,119
with agencies in Texas and Illinois um

2580
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:43,679
attributing the breach to a glitch or a

2581
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:46,000
batch of requests that were approved

2582
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,880
inadvertently because of human error.

2583
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,960
Menlo Park officials suggested that a

2584
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,119
batch of access requests might have been

2585
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:55,360
approved largely by accident due to this

2586
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,560
system glitch or UI design failure. Does

2587
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,199
your system currently allow a select all

2588
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:03,600
or batch approval function for incoming

2589
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,520
data requests?

2590
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,080
That was probably when they were by

2591
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:11,199
accident on national lookup. National

2592
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,480
Lookup is not possible to enroll in for

2593
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:17,679
any agencies within California and

2594
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:22,149
Virginia.

2595
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,639
» Okay. So, you're saying that that would

2596
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:26,000
have only happened if they were on

2597
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:26,880
National Lookup,

2598
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,520
>> correct?

2599
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,760
>> So, moving on to the shadow sharing

2600
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,000
topic. Um, Athetherton police claimed

2601
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,080
that Flock system prevents searches

2602
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,400
containing keywords like like ICE.

2603
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,159
However, records from Oakland and other

2604
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:42,800
jurisdictions show successful search

2605
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,280
searches for terms like ICE case and

2606
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,800
FBI.

2607
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:48,719
Our understanding is that Flock prevents

2608
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:51,040
searches containing keywords like that,

2609
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,480
but press reports show logs with search

2610
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:57,280
reasons like ICE case being successfully

2611
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,080
processed. So, can you clarify does your

2612
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,719
system hard block specific keywords in

2613
01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:04,320
the search justification field?

2614
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,239
>> Yes, we allow it or does it merely

2615
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:09,520
discourage them? we allowed for that

2616
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,239
those search term blockings. Uh it's a

2617
01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:14,400
feature in our product that was

2618
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:18,239
implemented last summer.

2619
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,480
Additionally, since December of last

2620
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,360
year, we have a drop-down tool for

2621
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,920
prefilled search terms. And the search

2622
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,880
terms come from Nebris. And this is to

2623
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,960
avoid vague terms like you mentioned

2624
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:35,040
earlier like crime, but also to help

2625
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:39,520
with jurisdictions. uh data analysis.

2626
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,440
>> Would you be able to provide a list of

2627
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:43,679
prohibited terms?

2628
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:45,360
>> Well, at this point, I think we can

2629
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,520
provide a list of neighbors of the terms

2630
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,960
of our drop down.

2631
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:55,520
>> Um, on the topic of uh data deletion, so

2632
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,000
Woodid's contract stipulates a 60-day

2633
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,239
retention period, but residents have

2634
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:02,080
raised concerns about whether data is

2635
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,440
truly wiped or just hidden. When data is

2636
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:07,360
deleted from your cloud, is it

2637
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,920
immediately overwritten or does it exist

2638
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,480
in a backup server or soft delete state

2639
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:15,679
for a period of time? Data sanitation is

2640
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:18,000
a key part of our data security

2641
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,080
protocols. It allows us to maintain

2642
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,880
certifications like the FBI just

2643
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,760
certifications and allow us to be on the

2644
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:31,270
AWS GovCloud.

2645
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,600
Would you would Flock be able to provide

2646
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,760
an automated certificate of destruction

2647
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,679
log that proves Woodside's data is

2648
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:40,320
physically gone after 60 days?

2649
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:41,840
>> I think we can provide you the

2650
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,990
certifications.

2651
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,520
» Is there a distinction between a

2652
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:50,320
certificate of destruction log or the

2653
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,000
certifications that you referenced in

2654
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,719
terms of like security certifications

2655
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:56,560
that a company gets to indicate their

2656
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,199
level of security practices?

2657
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,000
You know, I've never been asked for a

2658
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,360
log of data deletion, but it does happen

2659
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,880
on a 24-hour every rolling basis.

2660
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,960
>> Okay. Would you be able to look into

2661
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,480
that and what to determine whether or

2662
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,560
not a certificate of destruction log is

2663
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,080
feasible and could be provided?

2664
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:24,709
>> Yes.

2665
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:27,199
» Last question. Uh, Flock offers features

2666
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:29,520
beyond license plate reading, such as

2667
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,159
Flock Free Form, which allows searching

2668
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:33,920
for vehicles based on visual

2669
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,440
characteristics

2670
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:37,840
um, rather than just plates. And does

2671
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,520
the software package Woodside is

2672
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,920
currently paying for include flock free

2673
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:45,040
form or any object, people or sound

2674
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,920
detection anal analytics

2675
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,960
for our ALPRs? It is free form only for

2676
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,000
vehicle characteristics. It does not

2677
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,560
look at people or animals or anything

2678
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,229
else.

2679
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:06,390
» I have no further questions. Thank you.

2680
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,199
» Other questions from council?

2681
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:09,760
>> I do.

2682
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,280
>> Yes. Mayor Prom,

2683
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:14,159
>> they could if they want to go first. Uh

2684
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:14,880
>> yeah, you

2685
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,360
>> if you want me to go first. Sure. Um

2686
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,679
yes. Uh a question for the sheriff's

2687
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:22,560
department. Um, have you seen any

2688
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,520
evidence of any violations of the

2689
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,840
program, the flock since you started

2690
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,960
with the Woodside? Any Woodside?

2691
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,440
>> No impact whatsoever.

2692
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:35,280
>> Sorry. No, not at all.

2693
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,679
>> Thank you,

2694
01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:38,880
Mayor P.

2695
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,199
>> Thank you. Um, I've got a few questions.

2696
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:44,080
Um,

2697
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:47,040
one, uh, first I appreciate, um, going

2698
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,760
through what happened in Mountain View.

2699
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:53,920
um that level of detail that it that it

2700
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,679
happened at a certain time interval.

2701
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:58,000
That's I I noticed that uh the Mountain

2702
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,600
View representatives were pretty vague

2703
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,480
about the timing of when it happened. It

2704
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:04,080
almost sounded kind of urgent like it

2705
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,280
happened just now. Um but that um does

2706
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:14,870
not seem to be the case. Um,

2707
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,639
I also wanted to ask uh in I appreciate

2708
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:21,840
our new assistant sheriff, um, Mark

2709
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,119
Meyers being here. By the way, um, I

2710
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:26,480
think I've worked with members of the

2711
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:27,840
sheriff's department for something like

2712
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,400
30 years, dating back to Don Horesley.

2713
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:34,880
And um I think I think uh our new

2714
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,280
assistant sheriff I would put him rank

2715
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:41,600
him as the highest uh my my respect for

2716
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,920
him and the work that he's done uh

2717
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,520
surpasses anybody I've ever known at the

2718
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:46,960
sheriff's office. So thank you for being

2719
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:48,960
here tonight shows us how important this

2720
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,440
is that you were here. I appreciate it.

2721
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,000
>> Um for those who don't know Mark headed

2722
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:58,480
up SWAT bomb squad uh the K-9 unit. uh

2723
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,159
now he heads up all operations for the

2724
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:01,760
sheriff's office and uh very welld

2725
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,159
deserved. Um

2726
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:07,040
but um I just wanted to ask you because

2727
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,119
we because one of the comments that was

2728
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:10,480
made in the questions and I thought they

2729
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:13,600
were really good questions by the way um

2730
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,840
were that the number of people that we

2731
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,159
may have caught in Woodside for Woodside

2732
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,719
crimes. But I understand that you know

2733
01:51:20,719 --> 01:51:23,520
this is a network where somebody may

2734
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,040
commit a crime here, you may catch them

2735
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,040
in Foster City. I remember the cop I

2736
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,760
actually the uh chief at Hill at um

2737
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,520
Hillsboro

2738
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:33,119
um I forgot his name now actually he's

2739
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:34,480
with the sheriff's office now I think

2740
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:36,719
maybe or he's with emergency services

2741
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:37,679
>> Nelson Cordway

2742
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:39,599
>> Nelson exactly I had breakfast with him

2743
01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:41,840
once a few years ago but he mentioned

2744
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,080
that somebody from Porto Valley had

2745
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,360
committed a crime and they caught them

2746
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,320
at the Hillsdale Mall uh the same day um

2747
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:49,360
so you never know where you're going to

2748
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:50,719
catch anybody and I assume we catch

2749
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,320
people in in Woodside who committed

2750
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,000
crimes in Redwood City or other places

2751
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,920
as well but could you comment on that

2752
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,639
the just the sheer numbers of uh you

2753
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:01,440
know the millions of of uh cars that may

2754
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:03,760
go through a lot of them are us but I

2755
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,679
mean it's just uh you know we pass a lot

2756
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:08,480
of cameras but the efficacy of what you

2757
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:11,360
actually hit on and and whether that's

2758
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,679
woodside or not woodside

2759
01:52:13,679 --> 01:52:15,840
>> I I think you get a good mixture like I

2760
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:17,920
was formerly in San Carlos we would get

2761
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:22,080
a lot of uh uh a lot of times we'd have

2762
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:23,840
cars that would commit a burglary in

2763
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,599
West Menllo Park and then we get them up

2764
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:27,520
in San Carlos off of Crest View. So

2765
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,520
having and that was using Menllo Park or

2766
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:30,880
Athetherton's the license plate readers.

2767
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:32,800
So having that network is really what

2768
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,639
makes the system great and kind of

2769
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:37,599
spreads that umbrella protection, you

2770
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:40,000
know, over the county. Um, as far as the

2771
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,599
report, we can give you more detail and

2772
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:43,840
maybe give you some more examples. Um,

2773
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,880
it's just a deep dive we have to do.

2774
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,880
>> Okay. Um, and the last thing I wanted to

2775
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,560
mention, I have some comments. I'll save

2776
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:52,000
them because I know this is sort of a

2777
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:55,360
question period here. Um, but I did want

2778
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:56,800
to, you know, one of the things that I

2779
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,920
noticed is that, um, there was a lot of

2780
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:02,480
mention of failures of other agencies,

2781
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,040
Athetherton, Mountain View, um, uh,

2782
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,440
Oakland, etc.,

2783
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:09,360
but not the sheriff's office. That's,

2784
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:11,040
uh, the one that I haven't heard any

2785
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,119
breaches from, you know, that that

2786
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,360
really come out of your location in

2787
01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:18,080
Redwood City. Um, and and I think I

2788
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,920
heard correctly that my question is is

2789
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,960
that that does seem to be the case. Uh,

2790
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,639
as far as we could, you know, as far as

2791
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:26,239
we can tell, we are in the process of

2792
01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:28,159
looking at doing a a full audit of all

2793
01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:30,000
of our information, all of the the reads

2794
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,760
we've have since we had the system. This

2795
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,520
is very labor intensive, but I think we

2796
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,800
have a great relationship with with

2797
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,280
Flock. Uh, any changes to make our

2798
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:38,800
system more robust, whether it's search

2799
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,199
terms or whatever, uh, they implement it

2800
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:42,800
right away. So, I think we really have a

2801
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:44,480
good relationship with Flock, and that's

2802
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:46,320
kind of why I think we have avoided a

2803
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:47,520
lot of these things that other agencies,

2804
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:49,119
unfortunately, have had to deal with.

2805
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:50,960
Um, and just for for your knowledge,

2806
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,000
like I'm one of the system

2807
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:54,000
administrators, Nick is, and then our

2808
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,679
technical services director, so really

2809
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,840
only three people have access to make

2810
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,360
any of those changes.

2811
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,159
>> Okay. Thank you. And the the um I did

2812
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:03,920
have something I I I was just reminded

2813
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:05,760
of what our mayor said just before he

2814
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:07,840
opened this thing up and that is that

2815
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:09,440
the purpose here tonight is to see if

2816
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:12,080
we're this isn't a quarterly review and

2817
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,800
an annual review that we have on whether

2818
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,880
or not we're in compliance with the

2819
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:20,560
policy that we set up. And I think

2820
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:21,920
that's what's before us tonight. If we

2821
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,360
want to make changes to those policies

2822
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,760
and require deeper audits or deeper

2823
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,760
certifications or other things, we would

2824
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,199
have to decide that. But I think until

2825
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:32,560
we do, you know, we're sort of at the uh

2826
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,880
this is what we've demanded of you to do

2827
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:37,280
and uh we're here to see whether or not

2828
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,000
that's been certified uh at least to our

2829
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,920
satisfaction. So, thank you for being

2830
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:42,880
patient with those.

2831
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,560
>> And then also just last week, we just

2832
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,719
updated our LPR policy. So, I will get

2833
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:48,800
that to the uh the town manager. We

2834
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,480
actually included per uh Supervisor

2835
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:53,440
Spirit's request, we actually put a a

2836
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,199
language in there where the the cameras

2837
01:54:55,199 --> 01:54:56,400
won't be used for any kind of first

2838
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,960
amendment protest or anything like that.

2839
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:04,639
>> Excellent. Thank you. Great son. Joseph,

2840
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:08,719
>> um I just have a few questions. Um guys,

2841
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,560
how how long did it take to complete

2842
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:14,159
that search of all you know uh from the

2843
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:17,760
start of the system till now?

2844
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:19,920
took me approximately two hours.

2845
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,599
>> And how long do you usually does it

2846
01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:23,199
usually take you to prepare for this

2847
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:26,080
quarterly meeting? Um, in total,

2848
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,639
including anyone who helps you with with

2849
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:30,080
preparing for us.

2850
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:31,840
>> It's just me. I'm the only one who has

2851
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:35,119
access to it for the policy. Um, it's

2852
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:37,679
probably about an hour to to run the

2853
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:39,520
reports and and complete it all.

2854
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,520
>> Okay. In total, including drive time,

2855
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:42,960
everything. How long would you say you

2856
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,760
spend quarterly um for this whole

2857
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,080
process?

2858
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,760
Um, this quarter is a little bit more

2859
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:52,719
intense um than other ones, but probably

2860
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:54,480
close to five hours if you factor

2861
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:55,360
everything in.

2862
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,239
>> Okay. Jason, can I ask you how long does

2863
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,480
it take our Woodside I mean our

2864
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,719
resources to to go through this process

2865
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:04,239
quarterly?

2866
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:07,679
>> Yeah, we internally staff feel that this

2867
01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:10,239
item has been contentious at least since

2868
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:12,880
its inception. And so we're constantly

2869
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,840
trying to figure out ways to really show

2870
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:19,119
compliance and and dig deeper. And so in

2871
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:21,679
this instance, I mean, we definitely

2872
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:23,760
spent substantially more time than that.

2873
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:25,840
We met with the sheriff's office for

2874
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:29,119
over two hours. Uh and then we changed

2875
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:31,280
our reporting structure completely. And

2876
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,119
so preparing for this, I mean, I would

2877
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,199
say it was like 12 hours of uh just

2878
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,280
really deeper discussion, really trying

2879
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:41,040
to figure out how we can um bring about

2880
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,960
a better level of compliance or showing

2881
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,040
a narrative rather than just the the

2882
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:47,520
check boxes that we were showing before.

2883
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,430
>> Thank you.

2884
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,440
» I've got a related question here. One of

2885
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,040
the things that's just been on my mind

2886
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,159
with all this is the issue of oversight

2887
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:01,119
governance and um the reporting

2888
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:03,440
relationship we have with our sheriff

2889
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:05,760
and the department here has been

2890
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,320
outsourced to an advisory volunteer

2891
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:11,360
committee and uh the question I have

2892
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:12,960
really um and of course that's been

2893
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:14,080
something that's bothered me like should

2894
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:17,360
we be outsourcing an outsourced policing

2895
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,920
department uh when it's the single

2896
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,760
largest budget item that we have and

2897
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,119
with everything that's going on with

2898
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:24,880
safety and security that's on this. I

2899
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:26,960
mean, our entire agenda to come is still

2900
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,880
about safety issues in town and of

2901
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,239
course the scrutiny that's going up on

2902
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:32,320
these cameras. So, my question for you

2903
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,239
is um can you give us a little bit of

2904
01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:36,000
color? What is the normal reporting

2905
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:38,080
relationship that you have with the

2906
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,880
councils that you serve? Do you talk to

2907
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:42,320
the councils? Do you talk to some

2908
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,719
advisory body or I mean

2909
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:46,000
>> direct relationship or

2910
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,840
>> prior San Carlos experience once a year

2911
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:50,320
I would provide a annual report to the

2912
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,159
council that would uh have all sorts of

2913
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:54,159
stat statistics community engagement

2914
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:57,679
events we do um in San Carlos we meet

2915
01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:00,400
once a month just uh my admin sergeant

2916
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,320
uh Nick's counterpart will meet with the

2917
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,080
traffic and planning commission just to

2918
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,440
go over any traffic complaints you know

2919
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,679
parking issues stuff like that. That's

2920
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,440
usually

2921
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,199
the schedule for San Carlos. And it's

2922
01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:14,400
pretty much the same thing for Milbury.

2923
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:15,760
A yearly annual report to the city

2924
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,440
council. Same for Half Moon Bay. What

2925
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:18,719
we're trying to do is align them all

2926
01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:20,239
kind of in the same time frame. So that

2927
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:21,599
way we can actually do an overall

2928
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:23,679
sheriff's office annual report to

2929
01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:26,239
encompass everything. But at San Carlos,

2930
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:27,679
I would report to the council once a

2931
01:58:27,679 --> 01:58:29,440
year on our annual report. And then we

2932
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:35,440
did uh monthly traffic meetings with the DPW. Okay. And Jason, in your

2933
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,440
experience, what is the proper reporting

2934
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:41,119
relationship versus maybe what we have?

2935
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:44,560
>> Yeah, for me in my last uh position in

2936
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,760
Hy Rica, we would oscillate uh once a

2937
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,080
you know two meetings a month. Uh the

2938
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,920
first meeting the fire chief would give

2939
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:53,760
an update to the council and then on the

2940
01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:55,520
second meeting the police chief would

2941
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,520
address the council.

2942
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,239
>> Okay. Uh thank you. Thank you both. I'm

2943
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:02,080
just so council knows, I'm going to ask

2944
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:05,040
in deliberation for a straw pull on

2945
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:08,080
direction to uh change the relationship

2946
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:09,280
that we have with the sheriff's

2947
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:10,960
department to be a direct reporting

2948
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,360
relationship with council going forward.

2949
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,280
So, in addition to any comments you

2950
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:16,639
might have, and this sounds like there's

2951
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:18,320
going to be plenty, if you could just

2952
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,719
addendum this issue of what your

2953
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:22,000
thoughts are, I would very much

2954
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,199
appreciate it on the issue of reporting.

2955
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:26,639
Any other questions from council before

2956
01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:30,080
we open up public comment?

2957
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,239
Okay,

2958
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,480
public comment. We are going to open

2959
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:38,159
public comment for old business item A,

2960
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:40,320
quarterly and annual review of license

2961
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,800
plate readers.

2962
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,480
Got three in the Zoom room and Kimberly

2963
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,400
Woo has been up for about an hour. So,

2964
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:51,430
why don't we start with her?

2965
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:52,800
» Hi, can you hear me?

2966
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,719
>> Yes, we can. Welcome.

2967
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:56,639
>> Thank you. Uh, good evening. I'm

2968
01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:58,480
Kimberly Woo and I'm a community

2969
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:00,800
organizer for services immigrant rights

2970
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,800
and education network which serves our

2971
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,480
immigrant and refugee communities in

2972
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:07,199
Sanonteo County. And on behalf of Siren,

2973
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:09,679
I strongly urge Woodside to pause the

2974
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:12,880
AOPR program. It puts our communities in

2975
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,360
danger. AOPR data from neighboring

2976
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,520
communities has been hacked and misused,

2977
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:19,360
and this data has been shared with

2978
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,040
federal agencies that are violently

2979
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:22,880
attacking communities across the

2980
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:26,000
country. The Flock Company cannot be

2981
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,560
trusted as they impose dangerous

2982
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,800
surveillance tools with documented

2983
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,000
instances of ICE accessing this a AOPR

2984
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,920
data to terrorize our communities and

2985
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,280
separate our families. Simply auditing

2986
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:41,840
flock data regarding ICE cooperation

2987
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:43,760
could actually produce a false negative

2988
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,400
because according to DHS's own data

2989
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,719
policies, ICE does not leave any trail

2990
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:52,080
and audit logs on any ALPR except their

2991
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,480
own. In other words, we may not see if

2992
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,880
ICE access the town's data because ICE

2993
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,280
purposely and systematically refuses to

2994
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,000
leave trail. Additionally, even in the

2995
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,599
potential case that Woodside police data

2996
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:05,920
is not directly shared with ICE, our

2997
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:08,320
local police data is shared with other

2998
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,320
police departments who may collude and

2999
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:13,520
expose expose our personal data to ICE,

3000
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:16,480
granting this notorious notorious agency

3001
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:19,360
access to our private information. The

3002
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,760
power of flocks AOPR is to collect,

3003
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:23,920
retain, and analyze location data for

3004
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,400
every driver on the road violates our

3005
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,560
fourth amendment right to a reasonable

3006
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:30,800
expectation of privacy by essentially

3007
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,199
enabling mass warrantless tracking that

3008
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:36,400
stalks in an individual's movements to

3009
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:40,239
the second in a twist form of persistent

3010
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:42,239
draget surveillance. In fact, this

3011
02:01:42,239 --> 02:01:44,400
technology creates such massive data

3012
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,040
privacy constitutional violations that

3013
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:49,760
Siren along with KO California as

3014
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,920
Foundation of Northern California and

3015
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:54,159
Electronic Frontier Foundation sued the

3016
02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:57,520
city of San Jose for Flock and AOPR data

3017
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,480
extreme invasiveness. This town must end

3018
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:02,320
their flock contract because flocks

3019
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,719
unblinking cameras automatically retain

3020
02:02:04,719 --> 02:02:06,880
the locations of drivers, enabling

3021
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:09,679
police tends instantly reconstruct

3022
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:12,480
everyone's movements. With Santa Cruz

3023
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:14,400
City Council ending their contract and

3024
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:16,159
Mountain View City Council pausing their

3025
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:19,599
contract, our Bay Area neighbors boldly

3026
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:22,320
send the message that community trust is

3027
02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:25,119
necessary for public safety. We are

3028
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:26,880
calling on Woodside leadership to stop

3029
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,040
using flock cameras and ensure no town

3030
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,760
data is shared directly or indirectly

3031
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:34,560
with ICE or border patrol. Standing by

3032
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:36,880
our values means choosing community

3033
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:40,480
trust, privacy and and immigrant safety

3034
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:42,480
over unconstitutional

3035
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:45,760
hyper surveillance. Thank you.

3036
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,880
>> Thank you.

3037
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,000
Anyone in the room that would like to

3038
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:51,760
speak before we go back to Zoom? Yes,

3039
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:58,629
sir.

3040
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:02,320
Oh, thank you.

3041
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,960
>> Hey everyone. Um

3042
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:08,960
uh my name is Matt. I have a few uh just

3043
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:12,080
concerns about the the annual report.

3044
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:13,920
Probably the first of which was my notes

3045
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,880
got soaked on the way here, but I'll uh

3046
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:19,040
I'll do my best here. I really just want

3047
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:22,400
to ask the council uh just to pump the

3048
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,679
brakes on accepting uh this annual

3049
02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:28,560
report. Right. Everyone in the room here

3050
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,560
has heard about what happened in

3051
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:33,119
Mountain View and I I personally I think

3052
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:36,480
that's kind of deeply disturbing. Um

3053
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:38,480
it's a good point that what was

3054
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,199
happening there was never uncovered by

3055
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,520
the reporting that was happening there.

3056
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:48,239
So, I think our our report kinds

3057
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:51,360
uh rethink. I think the report relies

3058
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,000
too heavily on self-certification by the

3059
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,520
vendor. Uh the report explicitly states

3060
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,679
that compliance means receiving an

3061
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:02,480
annual written confirmation from Flock.

3062
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:06,080
Uh we are accepting that the system is

3063
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:08,639
secure simply because the vendor wrote

3064
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:12,080
us a note saying it's secure in Mountain

3065
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:14,320
View. that same vendor enabled

3066
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:16,400
nationwide sharing without permission

3067
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,960
from the city. So, letter of asurances

3068
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,119
from a vendor that overrides security

3069
02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:23,679
settings. To me, that does not sound

3070
02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:26,080
like an audit. That sounds like a Trojan

3071
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:28,000
horse.

3072
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,239
There's a nationwide scandal in the last

3073
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:32,639
year that has been unfolding over

3074
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:36,719
Flock's I think lack of security. So the

3075
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:40,159
this model of self-certification is

3076
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:43,520
unacceptable in my view. Mountain View

3077
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:46,320
did not discover their own illegal

3078
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:49,040
vulnerabilities because Flock told them

3079
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:50,880
about it.

3080
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:52,800
They discovered it because they demanded

3081
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,880
their own investigation.

3082
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,920
And I I think it's wild that until

3083
02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:59,679
tonight

3084
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:02,320
I didn't hear about any

3085
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:04,320
uh verification of the settings that are

3086
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:06,960
even in our dashboard. That should have

3087
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,800
been in the annual report and it was

3088
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,400
not.

3089
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:13,840
So the Woodside staff, town staff is

3090
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:15,920
accepting, recommending that we accept

3091
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:20,159
the report tonight. Um, but I I think

3092
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:23,199
continuing business as usual there

3093
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:24,960
ignores the reality of what's happening

3094
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:28,320
right now. We cannot continue just

3095
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:31,119
blindingly trusting a vendor that I

3096
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:33,679
think has lost the confidence of our

3097
02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:36,639
community. So, I want to urge the

3098
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:40,400
council to reject the report tonight.

3099
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,800
um tell the sheriff's office that we

3100
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:45,440
need an independent audit, a technical

3101
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:48,320
audit, not just a policy alignment

3102
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,480
review, which is is what we have right

3103
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,080
now.

3104
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:54,880
I think our community uh just deserves a

3105
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:58,480
better approach. So, thank you.

3106
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:01,599
>> Thank you.

3107
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:03,520
We'll move back to the Zoom room.

3108
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,880
Michelle Leitus.

3109
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:08,000
>> Hi. Thank you.

3110
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:12,239
>> Hi. Um, my name is Michelle Leitis and I

3111
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:14,480
am a li lifelong Sanonteo County

3112
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,639
resident. I'm also a volunteer with the

3113
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:19,280
ACLU Sanontto County chapter, but I'm

3114
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:22,320
speaking today in my personal capacity.

3115
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:24,639
Um, I'm also here to request that you

3116
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:28,080
pause Woodid's ALPR program. Um, we're

3117
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:30,800
all members here in Sanonteo County. You

3118
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,639
know, we drive through Woodside, we dine

3119
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,639
in Woodside, we shop in Woodside. Even

3120
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,199
if we don't live there, we study there.

3121
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:40,400
We do um you know we we are subject to

3122
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:43,599
the cameras just as much as anyone um

3123
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:48,719
who lives there. And um we know that um

3124
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:51,280
this program puts the Woodside community

3125
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:57,440
in danger. The um the fact that um there

3126
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:58,960
hasn't been any problems with the

3127
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,280
Woodside data yet does not predict that

3128
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,520
there won't be future issues. It's great

3129
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:05,199
that there h, you know, that that

3130
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:08,079
nothing has been um discovered at this

3131
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:11,360
point that that um we've been able to

3132
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:13,520
get some assurances from the sheriff's

3133
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,159
department in terms of their review. Um

3134
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:18,000
we don't necessarily know what's going

3135
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:21,679
on with the um the work at at um

3136
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:25,599
Sanonteo PD and and Redwood City PD. I

3137
02:07:25,599 --> 02:07:28,400
think there's a bit too much concern

3138
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:32,480
with um looking like you're accusing

3139
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,639
rather than just doing your job of

3140
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:38,320
auditing. Um and so that we want to make

3141
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,360
sure that our data continues to be safe

3142
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:43,199
and we know that it's not safe in

3143
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:45,760
Flock's hands. They have been caught in

3144
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:48,320
national reporting making one false

3145
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,000
statement after another about their

3146
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,880
technological controls and safety. uh

3147
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:55,040
their CEO claimed that Flock was

3148
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:57,920
limiting cross-state border access after

3149
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,840
data breaches across state lines were

3150
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,560
revealed by journalists. So I think it's

3151
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,280
really important the fact that you know

3152
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:08,159
Flock is also involved in providing

3153
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:12,719
support for audits or other um um policy

3154
02:08:12,719 --> 02:08:17,599
compliance is a big red flag. Um, and I

3155
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:21,520
think that we need to pause and make

3156
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:25,280
sure that you're um you're you have full

3157
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,639
understanding uh and take the time to

3158
02:08:28,639 --> 02:08:30,560
understand the high-risisk consequences

3159
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,880
of ALPR abuse. I think there's a little

3160
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,480
too much um acceptance of the status quo

3161
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:38,719
and the fact that oh well we give up

3162
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:41,599
privacy every time we drive um across a

3163
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:43,760
bridge so we should be able to give up

3164
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,079
privacy here as well. I think that's a

3165
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:50,400
little just too much um of a of uh just

3166
02:08:50,400 --> 02:08:53,520
giving up and and not looking at the

3167
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:56,000
writing on the wall. And uh thank you

3168
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:59,510
for your consideration.

3169
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:02,239
» Thank you. Anyone here in the room that

3170
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:04,400
would like to go next as we alternate

3171
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:17,030
back and forth? Mr. Middleman.

3172
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,679
Good evening, David Middleman, Woodside

3173
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:22,000
Resident. Um, I had to throw out my

3174
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,440
original speech because you guys covered

3175
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:26,000
it all, but I wanted to touch on

3176
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:30,400
something that hasn't come up, which is

3177
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:32,239
uh

3178
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:35,520
blocks technical infrastructure. So for

3179
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,199
some those of you that don't know, I

3180
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:38,639
have 14 years experience in the

3181
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:40,719
technical industry. I lead software

3182
02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:44,239
teams. I deal with PII and HIPPA data at

3183
02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:46,239
a pharmaceutical company. I've dealt

3184
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:53,199
with IoT devices at other companies and for DARPA. And in past lives, I've

3185
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:56,639
held a security clearance.

3186
02:09:56,639 --> 02:09:58,480
There were a lot of technical

3187
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,960
deficiencies that were found along with

3188
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:04,000
the operational trust deficiencies that

3189
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,719
occurred. The flock cameras that are out

3190
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:11,760
in town run an old discontinued

3191
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:14,719
non-patched up-to-date version of

3192
02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:18,639
Android Things. Any new OS vulnerability

3193
02:10:18,639 --> 02:10:20,960
discovered today will never receive an

3194
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:22,320
official fix, which means the only way

3195
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:24,880
to patch is to replace or fundamentally

3196
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,079
rearchitect that device. For a longived

3197
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:29,920
public safety program that locks

3198
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:32,000
Woodside in a permanent technical debt

3199
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:33,679
and known vulnerable software at the

3200
02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:36,560
edge of our network,

3201
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:37,920
independent researchers have

3202
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:39,520
demonstrated that pressing a specific

3203
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:41,280
button sequence on the back of those

3204
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:43,920
cameras causes it to broadcast a Wi-Fi

3205
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:46,960
hotspot. Once connected, an attacker can

3206
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:50,079
enable the debugging bridge and obtain

3207
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:52,400
boot access to that device in 30

3208
02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:53,920
seconds.

3209
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:55,760
Because there is no secure boot or

3210
02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,320
strong firmware in integrity checking,

3211
02:10:58,320 --> 02:11:00,639
an attacker can load their own firmware,

3212
02:11:00,639 --> 02:11:02,800
falsely or suppress plate reads, or

3213
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,960
quietly exfiltrate data without the

3214
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:08,639
vendor or agency noticing.

3215
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:10,560
Cameras are configured with hardcode

3216
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:13,599
Wi-Fi SSIDs. It will automatically join

3217
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:16,480
a network with that name when that name

3218
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:19,280
is present which enables evil twin or

3219
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,760
rogue AP attacks from any nearby laptop

3220
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,000
or hotspot. Basically, you could drive

3221
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:27,520
up to a camera, get access to it.

3222
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:29,199
Traffic captures and public research

3223
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:30,800
have shown credentials and other

3224
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,199
sensitive information being sent without

3225
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:35,599
modern protections such as TLS

3226
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:38,079
encryption or controlled channels open

3227
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:40,719
the door for man-in-the-middle attacks.

3228
02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:42,960
These cameras talk to our cell towers in

3229
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,599
town.

3230
02:11:45,599 --> 02:11:47,360
The images and configuration data are

3231
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,280
stored unequipped on the device. And

3232
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,199
researchers have found legacy factory

3233
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:53,599
test images still present indicating

3234
02:11:53,599 --> 02:11:55,920
poor data wiping practices and making

3235
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:57,760
physical theft of a camera a data

3236
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:00,079
breach. There's no mandatory two-factor

3237
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:02,719
authentication for officers like in town

3238
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:06,239
when we access our emails.

3239
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:09,920
And it is to note that Flock does have a

3240
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:13,040
SOCK 2 and ISO 2701

3241
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:14,960
certifications. Those certifications

3242
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:20,159
were issued in 2023 and 2024.

3243
02:12:20,159 --> 02:12:22,079
However,

3244
02:12:22,079 --> 02:12:24,079
those certifications are internal

3245
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:25,920
security and operational practices over

3246
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:27,840
time. They don't specify that devices

3247
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,000
are free of vulnerabilities. In other

3248
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,400
words, a system can be sock to compliant

3249
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:35,119
and so edge devices that can that are

3250
02:12:35,119 --> 02:12:37,920
easy to compromise

3251
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:39,760
with single factor login and highly

3252
02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:44,400
sensitive tools. Thank you.

3253
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:47,679
>> Thank you. Back to the Zoom room. Fixen

3254
02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:54,229
San Mateo County.

3255
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,480
» Hi, I'm actually a person. I'm Nancy

3256
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:58,639
Goodban. I live in Redwood City. My

3257
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:00,320
brother-in-law does own a home in

3258
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:03,440
Woodside. I'm speaking on my own, not as

3259
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:06,880
a representative of any organization.

3260
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,199
Thank you for the time that you're

3261
02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:11,199
taking to discuss this, and I agree with

3262
02:13:11,199 --> 02:13:12,800
the others. Please look into pausing

3263
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:15,119
your flock safety contract. I know it

3264
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:17,920
would be at a later date, but Flock has

3265
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:20,159
announced plans to connect with data

3266
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:21,760
brokers. Their data has been used to

3267
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,560
surveil protesters, even to track down

3268
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,440
women who have had an illegal abortion.

3269
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,280
These kind of threats to the privacy of

3270
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,520
anyone who drives through Woodside are

3271
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:33,679
dangerous to community safety, and these

3272
02:13:33,679 --> 02:13:36,880
dangers outweigh the benefits. I'm glad

3273
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:39,280
there's no breach yet, but it's happened

3274
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:42,480
elsewhere, and so it can happen here. It

3275
02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:44,880
also makes it hard to trust the company.

3276
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:46,960
They are the ones that control the data.

3277
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:49,280
They control the software, and I, for

3278
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:52,719
one, am not confident in their promises.

3279
02:13:52,719 --> 02:13:54,960
Flock has screwed up in other cities and

3280
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,840
made mistakes. It can't just be a matter

3281
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:00,960
of faith if it involves my personal

3282
02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:02,560
privacy.

3283
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:04,159
Mountain View and Santa Cruz canled

3284
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:06,079
their contracts with Flock because the

3285
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:08,480
company misused the data and made it

3286
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:10,480
available for purposes that are against

3287
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,320
the county's policy, the city's

3288
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,960
policies. In Mountain View, they found

3289
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,760
it through an internal audit. Flock had

3290
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:19,280
turned on a data setting allowing the

3291
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:21,119
feds to access data. They say they won't

3292
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:25,119
do that again. I want to take it on

3293
02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:27,440
something more than faith. Both cities

3294
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:29,040
concluded that even though the license

3295
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,760
plate data do help the police, the risk

3296
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:34,159
community privacy and safety is too

3297
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:36,560
high. Santa Cruz found that out of state

3298
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,560
agencies had access the data. They

3299
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:40,639
concluded the risk of generating fear in

3300
02:14:40,639 --> 02:14:42,880
the community made the flock system too

3301
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:45,199
high a risk for the community. Half Moon

3302
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:47,280
Bay is looking at it the use of flock

3303
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:50,239
later this month or March in a balance

3304
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:53,840
between our personal privacy rights and

3305
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:55,920
the right of the government or a private

3306
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:59,119
company to use our data for its own

3307
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:01,840
purposes. Please come down on the side

3308
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:04,800
of our privacy rights. We have seen way

3309
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:06,800
too much overreach by the government in

3310
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:09,440
the last few months. We don't need more.

3311
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:12,320
Thank you.

3312
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:14,079
>> Thank you.

3313
02:15:14,079 --> 02:15:15,679
I think we're gonna do we have anybody

3314
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:20,560
else? Yes. Come right back. Welcome.

3315
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,320
>> Thank you. Uh and thank you, Jason.

3316
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:23,360
There's actually three topics tonight

3317
02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:24,320
we're going to talk on. This the second

3318
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:27,840
one. So, I appreciate the efficiency. Um

3319
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:28,880
you guys know I'm going to be here.

3320
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:30,400
We're here every single time. And I'll

3321
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:32,400
admit it was quite lonely for parts of

3322
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:34,480
the last three years. Uh I am heartened

3323
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:35,679
to see the number of people who have

3324
02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:37,360
taken up the mantle on this one. Um

3325
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:38,719
unfortunately, I think it is because of

3326
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:40,880
a number of missteps that Flock has had.

3327
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:42,639
So, it's a sad reason to do it, but I'm

3328
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:44,880
glad to see the end result either way.

3329
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:47,040
Um, I want to start this by saying I

3330
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:48,800
support the sheriffs unilaterally. I

3331
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:50,880
think our sheriffs are fantastic. I want

3332
02:15:50,880 --> 02:15:52,239
every criminal in this town or around us

3333
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:53,520
to go to jail for as long as possible,

3334
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,119
probably longer than the judges. I think

3335
02:15:55,119 --> 02:15:57,119
sometimes that just gets conflated with,

3336
02:15:57,119 --> 02:15:58,320
oh, you don't want this. No, I want them

3337
02:15:58,320 --> 02:15:59,599
to go to jail and I want them to suffer

3338
02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:01,040
and I want them to pay for the crimes

3339
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:02,800
they committed. This is not the way to

3340
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,679
do it at the cost we pay to do it. Um,

3341
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:06,800
I'm not going to go through all you.

3342
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:08,880
I've been here so many times. I strongly

3343
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,400
recommend you read David Middleman's

3344
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:11,840
letter. I just read through the whole

3345
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:13,360
thing. It covers almost everything I'm

3346
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,520
aware of about Flock and all of their

3347
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,760
terrible ways. The one that really got

3348
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:19,599
me was when I think it was in Virginia,

3349
02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:21,199
a town like much like ours, maybe

3350
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:23,280
bigger, was debating the same thing. And

3351
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:26,639
the CEO of Flock wrote a mean, scary

3352
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:29,119
letter to the police chief accusing his

3353
02:16:29,119 --> 02:16:31,920
residents of being anti- police

3354
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:34,160
agitators and some other nonsense. And

3355
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:35,840
the police chief very eloquently wrote

3356
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:38,160
back, "Actually, sir, this is democracy

3357
02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:40,399
in action, and we respect our residents.

3358
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:42,800
It is the dirtiness of this company that

3359
02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:45,120
is just gling, but you know what? The

3360
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:47,120
guy's a billionaire, so what do I what

3361
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:50,399
can I say? I'm not." Um, something else

3362
02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:53,359
that I think was not yet public or was

3363
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,280
not ruled on before your last meeting

3364
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:56,319
about this, and by the way, I know

3365
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:57,840
you're not voting on the contract now.

3366
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:00,319
I'm well aware. You guys know that in

3367
02:17:00,319 --> 02:17:02,719
Washington in November, a judge ruled

3368
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:05,120
that these photos are public records.

3369
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,240
That's obviously Washington, not

3370
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:09,200
California. But if that turns out to be

3371
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:12,160
true, that entire database that is

3372
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:13,599
supposed to only be accessible by our

3373
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:15,439
sheriffs, I could get all of your

3374
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:16,960
plates, go out, take them, and be like,

3375
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:20,880
"Hey, mayor, you were here, here, here, everywhere for everybody in

3376
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:22,639
this town." We are creating that

3377
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:24,080
database. And what I've said before is

3378
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:25,599
we do not want to be generating this

3379
02:17:25,599 --> 02:17:27,679
data. That is the fundamental problem.

3380
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:28,960
It's not the Fourth Amendment. It's not

3381
02:17:28,960 --> 02:17:30,399
the camera. It's the generation and

3382
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:31,760
networking of the data that is a

3383
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:34,080
problem. I will leave this with with

3384
02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:35,760
this statement. Two things can be true

3385
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:37,760
at the same time. It is a useful tool

3386
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,840
for the sheriffs to conduct law

3387
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:42,399
enforcement. No doubt. It can also be an

3388
02:17:42,399 --> 02:17:44,719
awful invasion of our privacy and run by

3389
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:47,280
a terrible company. Sorry, ma'am. Your

3390
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:50,479
company is awful. Um that we do not want

3391
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:51,920
to trust our stuff with. It's a company.

3392
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,240
I can I have a first amendment right to

3393
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:57,040
berate a company. It is not a person. I

3394
02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:58,880
have no problems with her company.

3395
02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:00,479
>> You got to direct. You got to direct.

3396
02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:02,000
>> Flock is an awful company. We should not

3397
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:02,559
pay the money.

3398
02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:06,629
>> Thank you for directing it to me.

3399
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:09,040
» If if you guys decide to change it, all

3400
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,359
I will say to you is thank you because

3401
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:12,880
there's no gloating anywhere. There's no

3402
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:14,639
anything. We should just do what's right

3403
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:16,639
based on the information we have. If you

3404
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:18,080
do decide to do it, I will come and

3405
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:19,599
thank you. And the last thing I'll leave

3406
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:23,120
is in I have an ALPR of my own at my

3407
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:25,120
house. I'd be happy to register it with

3408
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:27,679
the town and the sheriffs and if the

3409
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:28,960
other residents did it, we could have

3410
02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:30,719
our own internal network where if

3411
02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:32,479
something did happen, they could ping

3412
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:33,760
the residents who were willing to share

3413
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,000
their data and we I'd gladly give it to

3414
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:37,200
them. So that's something we could do on

3415
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:38,719
our own. Doesn't involve flock. Thank

3416
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:39,359
you.

3417
02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:42,479
>> Thank you. And we'll be back in the Zoom

3418
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:47,349
room with Sarah Matlin.

3419
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,280
» Good evening. My name is Sarah Matlin

3420
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,359
and I live in nearby Redwood City. I'm a

3421
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:54,080
volunteer with the ACLU cemeter chapter,

3422
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:55,760
but I'm speaking today in my personal

3423
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,240
capacity. In my personal capacity, I

3424
02:18:58,240 --> 02:19:00,000
often meet with friends and clients at

3425
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,760
the village hub and I stop the village

3426
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:04,080
bakery in the cafe uh bakery cafe after

3427
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,719
hiking in Woodside. Uh this annual

3428
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:08,880
review, yes, is to see if Woodside's

3429
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,200
ALPR system is in compliance with its

3430
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:13,840
policy. And the answer from manager led

3431
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:17,200
better is it's a matter of faith. That's

3432
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:19,920
not enough. Please pause with Woodside's

3433
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:22,639
ALPR program. When the title of town of

3434
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:25,120
Woodside first installed its ALPR

3435
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:26,880
system, town leaders may not have fully

3436
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:29,200
known how ALPRs could put Woodside

3437
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,920
community members at risk. But now we

3438
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:33,920
know that 71 police departments in

3439
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:35,280
California unintentionally or

3440
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:37,760
intentionally have violated the state

3441
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:40,080
law that prohibits them from sharing

3442
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,399
ALPR data with federal and out ofstate

3443
02:19:42,399 --> 02:19:44,960
law enforcement agencies, including the

3444
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:46,719
federal agencies that are violently

3445
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:48,399
attacking communities across the

3446
02:19:48,399 --> 02:19:51,040
country. Even if we can trust individual

3447
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:52,720
officers to do the right thing, we can't

3448
02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:55,040
trust FLOP. Flock previously instituted

3449
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,280
that side door customs and border patrol

3450
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:59,520
pilot project that police departments

3451
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,439
did not know about. It's my

3452
02:20:01,439 --> 02:20:02,960
understanding that this project is only

3453
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:05,120
paused right now. It's not been formally

3454
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:08,720
ended. And uh uh in addition, the

3455
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:10,800
Mountain Police Chief explained very

3456
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:12,800
clearly that Flock turned on the

3457
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:14,080
national bookup setting for

3458
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:16,880
approximately three months from August

3459
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:19,120
14th, 2024 until sometime in November of

3460
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,760
that year. He gave those those specific

3461
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:23,760
dates. It doesn't matter that they

3462
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:25,600
weren't paying for the program. Slot

3463
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,120
violated their free contract with

3464
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:30,319
Mountain View and we can't trust ICE. As

3465
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:31,920
mentioned previously, when they hack the

3466
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:34,800
AL ALPR databases or when they do it

3467
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,800
through a daisy chain, they have been

3468
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:40,479
instructed to leave no trace. Your ALPR

3469
02:20:40,479 --> 02:20:42,640
program risks the safety of any

3470
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,720
individuals traveling in Woodside.

3471
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:46,640
Whether they're a Woodside residents

3472
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,800
just drive driving through, hiking

3473
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:50,640
through, eating their way through, or

3474
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:52,560
whether they are immigrants or people

3475
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:54,800
seeking reproductive care, or people who

3476
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:57,520
are under attack in other communities.

3477
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:00,000
To protect everyone who lives and visits

3478
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:02,160
Woodside, the town council should pause

3479
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,800
its license plate cameras. With

3480
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:06,640
knowledge of these widespread violations

3481
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:09,359
of local policies and state laws, the

3482
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:11,280
town of Woodside has a now has a greater

3483
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:13,520
responsibility to make sure its ALPR

3484
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:15,520
system does not endanger community

3485
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:17,680
safety. You have the responsibility to

3486
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:18,880
protect the community from the

3487
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:21,359
high-risisk consequences of ALPR abuse.

3488
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:22,800
And that's why you should pause

3489
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,760
Woodsight's ALPR program this evening.

3490
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:28,000
do not accept the audit given the number

3491
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,960
of of open questions that uh there was

3492
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:33,520
no clear answer to other than it's a

3493
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:36,319
matter of faith. Please do not accept

3494
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:38,720
this report as sufficient in answering

3495
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:41,040
the open questions that have been posed

3496
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:44,160
this evening and please pause your ALPR

3497
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,160
program. Please put this up for a vote.

3498
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:48,000
Thank you.

3499
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:52,479
>> Thank you. Any other comments from the

3500
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,120
all?

3501
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:57,200
Seeing none, any comments from Zoom.

3502
02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:00,550
Last call.

3503
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:03,920
Okay, we'll close public comment um and

3504
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:05,840
open up deliberations.

3505
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,520
And uh I know we have some ground to

3506
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:10,160
cover uh but if I could ask at least as

3507
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:12,240
a starting point as an addendum to your

3508
02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:14,479
shared perspectives to just also if you

3509
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:16,319
could comment on how you'd like to see

3510
02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:18,960
the reporting relationship evolve or not

3511
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:21,120
with our sheriffs. And of course if any

3512
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:24,640
member of the council wants to also add

3513
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,880
uh a motion in there that see if there

3514
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:28,720
could be majority behind that motion as

3515
02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:30,399
well for future direction on anything.

3516
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:33,200
please mention that and then you know

3517
02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:35,600
again try to build uh we'll try to build

3518
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:37,120
with whatever we hear from everybody as

3519
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:41,750
we go up and down the line. Um

3520
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:43,760
I think you earned the right to go first

3521
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:44,880
council member Wall.

3522
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:48,319
>> All right. Um, so fellow council members

3523
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:50,720
and uh members of the public and our

3524
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:51,920
Woodside residents that are here

3525
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,720
tonight, I'd like to begin by thanking

3526
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:57,439
the town manager and the San Mo County

3527
02:22:57,439 --> 02:22:59,359
Sheriff's Office for the quarterly and

3528
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:03,120
annual reports provided this evening.

3529
02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:05,600
We all share a fundamental commitment to

3530
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,160
the safety of Woodside residents. The

3531
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,399
recovery of stolen vehicles and the

3532
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:12,560
apprehension of suspects, such as the

3533
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:15,520
March 2025 arrest following a hit near

3534
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:18,479
Sand Hill Road, demonstrate that ALPR

3535
02:23:18,479 --> 02:23:21,760
technology, can be a functional tool for

3536
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:25,280
local law enforcement. However, our duty

3537
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,520
as a council is not only to provide

3538
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:29,760
tools to the sheriff's office, but to

3539
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:32,800
ensure these tools are used in a manner

3540
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:36,240
that is legal, fiscally responsible, and

3541
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:38,000
respectful of the community we

3542
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:39,680
represent.

3543
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:41,840
Public safety is built on a foundation

3544
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:45,520
of public trust. When a vendor fails to

3545
02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:48,160
meet its contractual obligations or

3546
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:50,720
undermines our local policies, that

3547
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:53,200
trust is compromised.

3548
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,439
As we review the data tonight, we must

3549
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:58,080
look beyond the compliant labels in our

3550
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:00,240
internal audits and address the

3551
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,399
significant negative press coverage

3552
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:04,800
surrounding flock safety.

3553
02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:06,880
We are seeing a documented pattern of

3554
02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:09,120
behavior from this vendor that suggests

3555
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:11,359
they are no longer

3556
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:14,479
a reliable partner for our town. and I

3557
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,479
have several concerns that I believe we

3558
02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:18,640
must address before moving forward with

3559
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:21,600
any further expansion or renewal of this

3560
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,240
contract.

3561
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:26,640
Our town policy was carefully drafted to

3562
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,120
ensure that Woodid's data remains on a

3563
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:32,880
short lease. Short leash. We explicitly

3564
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:36,319
authorized only three specific agencies.

3565
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:38,800
the San Monteo County Sheriff's Office,

3566
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:41,600
the San Monteo PD, and the Redwood City

3567
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:45,280
PD to access our system. Yet, the recent

3568
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:47,359
reporting from our neighbors in Mountain

3569
02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:49,840
View, Menllo Park, and other peer

3570
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:51,920
communities should really give us all

3571
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:53,520
pause.

3572
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:55,439
In Mountain View, an internal audit

3573
02:24:55,439 --> 02:24:57,600
revealed that a nationwide lookup

3574
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,399
setting was enabled without the city's

3575
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:04,479
permission. For months, federal agencies

3576
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:07,200
from as far away as Kentucky and

3577
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:09,520
Virginia were searching Mountain View's

3578
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:13,040
license plate data. Perhaps even worse,

3579
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:16,080
a statewide lookup tool was active for

3580
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:20,319
17 months, allowing more than 250

3581
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:23,680
unauthorized agencies to conduct over

3582
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:25,840
600,000

3583
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:28,960
searches of their data.

3584
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:31,520
We have heard from Flock that sharing

3585
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:33,760
settings are always under the control of

3586
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:36,640
the agency, but the evidence from

3587
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:39,600
Mountain View contradicts that claim.

3588
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:41,760
Their chief of police stated bluntly

3589
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:44,880
that he no longer has confidence in this

3590
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:47,280
particular vendor. After discovering

3591
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:51,040
these circumventions of local policies

3592
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:54,399
in Menllo Park, tens of thousands of

3593
02:25:54,399 --> 02:25:57,040
searches were conducted by departments

3594
02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:00,640
in Texas and Illinois despite state laws

3595
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:04,240
and local policies that strictly forbid

3596
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:08,000
sharing data with outofstate agencies.

3597
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:10,640
If these nearby municipalities, which

3598
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:13,200
have rigorous oversight, could not

3599
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:15,520
prevent their data from being accessed

3600
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:18,000
by hundreds of unauthorized outside

3601
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:22,399
entities, we must ask ourselves, how can

3602
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:26,000
we be certain that Woodside's 3.1

3603
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,880
million annual plate reads are not being

3604
02:26:28,880 --> 02:26:33,190
harvested by the same agencies?

3605
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:35,600
My second concern is the practical risk

3606
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:37,920
this technology poses to the privacy of

3607
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:39,760
our residents.

3608
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:42,399
We are currently seeing ALPR data being

3609
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:45,439
leveraged for purposes that far exceed

3610
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:47,359
the bonafide law enforcement

3611
02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:50,240
investigations that we authorized.

3612
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,960
A disturbing case in Johnson in Johnson

3613
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:56,160
County, Texas serves as a warning.

3614
02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:58,960
A deputy there used a nationwide Block

3615
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:01,600
search to track a woman for quote

3616
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:04,800
unquote self-administered abortion. For

3617
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:07,200
months, Block and the local sheriff

3618
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:09,359
characterized this as a missing person

3619
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:12,160
welfare check. It was only after public

3620
02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:14,240
records were released that the truth

3621
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:16,319
came out. It was in fact a criminal

3622
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:17,920
investigation into reproductive

3623
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:19,439
healthcare.

3624
02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:21,680
While this specific search may have

3625
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,880
originated in Texas, it queried over

3626
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:26,399
83,000

3627
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:29,680
cameras across the country. This is not

3628
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,479
just a social issue. It's a governance

3629
02:27:32,479 --> 02:27:35,760
issue. When we contract with a vendor

3630
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:38,000
whose system architecture allows a

3631
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:40,399
single officer in another state to

3632
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:42,240
search our residents movements for

3633
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:44,479
investigations that would be illegal

3634
02:27:44,479 --> 02:27:47,359
under California law, we are exposing

3635
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:50,240
our town to significant liability and

3636
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:52,960
violating California's shield laws that

3637
02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:55,600
our state legislature has passed to

3638
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:58,880
prevent this exact scenario.

3639
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:01,439
Furthermore, investigations by the EFF

3640
02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:04,160
have shown that the reason fields for

3641
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:07,040
searches are often filled with vague

3642
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:10,960
terms like test, investigation.

3643
02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:13,600
They've even seen slurs. In some

3644
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:15,920
instances, the technology has even been

3645
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:18,399
used for personal vendettas, such as a

3646
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:20,479
Kansas police chief who tracked his

3647
02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:24,960
girlfriend's vehicle 228 times. Our own

3648
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:28,800
audit tonight reviewed only 40 random

3649
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:34,000
searches out of nearly 118,000

3650
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:35,600
queries.

3651
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:40,080
This is an audit of less than 0.04%

3652
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:43,680
of activity. This is not an adequate

3653
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:48,240
safeguard for a system of this scale.

3654
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:51,120
We also must consider the technical and

3655
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,280
professional stability of the vendor

3656
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,560
itself. In November 2025, security

3657
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:59,040
researchers published findings showing

3658
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:01,680
that Flock cameras are running on

3659
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:05,200
outdated Android 8 software that has not

3660
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:09,040
received security updates since 2021.

3661
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:11,680
These cameras are physically and

3662
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:14,319
digitally v vulnerable with unencrypted

3663
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:16,319
data storage that has been found to

3664
02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:19,280
retain images far longer than the

3665
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:21,520
advertised period.

3666
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:24,560
As a council, we are responsible for the

3667
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:26,319
security of the infrastructure we

3668
02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:29,760
approve. The trust center Flock provides

3669
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:32,479
is not a substitute for a secure

3670
02:29:32,479 --> 02:29:34,880
technical architecture.

3671
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:37,520
When we when we see reports of

3672
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:40,479
hard-coded Wi-Fi network names that

3673
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:42,960
allow hackers to gain complete control

3674
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:45,359
of a camera, we are looking at a

3675
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:48,240
technical house of cards.

3676
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:50,479
The response from Flock's leadership to

3677
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,479
these legitimate concerns has been

3678
02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:56,720
equally troubling. In December 2025, CEO

3679
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,800
Garrett Langley sent an email to law

3680
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,439
enforcement clients attacking the very

3681
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:03,840
concept of public oversight,

3682
02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:06,000
characterizing critics of surveillance

3683
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:08,800
as nihilists who want to normalize

3684
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:10,479
lawlessness.

3685
02:30:10,479 --> 02:30:12,479
This is not the language of a

3686
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:15,120
professional services provider. It is

3687
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:17,359
the language of a company that views

3688
02:30:17,359 --> 02:30:19,280
democratic accountability as a

3689
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,520
coordinated attack.

3690
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:24,479
As we deliberate tonight, we must ask

3691
02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:27,120
each of ourselves, what is the risk of

3692
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,760
doing nothing?

3693
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:31,840
What is the risk of simply accepting

3694
02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:34,640
this report and moving on without

3695
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:38,240
demanding a more robust audit?

3696
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:40,960
Well, from a legal standpoint, the town

3697
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:45,280
of Woodside faces significant exposure.

3698
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:49,200
California's SB34 and SB 107, our

3699
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:51,280
state's reproductive healthc care shield

3700
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:54,080
laws, are not mere suggestions. They are

3701
02:30:54,080 --> 02:30:56,319
mandates. If it is discovered that

3702
02:30:56,319 --> 02:30:58,240
Woodside's data was shared with out of

3703
02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:01,200
state agencies for abortion related or

3704
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:04,000
immigration investigations because we as

3705
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,000
a council failed to exercise due

3706
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:08,319
diligence, the town could face costly

3707
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:11,280
litigation and civil penalties. We have

3708
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,280
already seen the California Attorney

3709
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:16,319
General sue the city of Elcohone for

3710
02:31:16,319 --> 02:31:18,800
these exact types of data sharing

3711
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:22,080
violations. As council members, we have

3712
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:24,160
a fiduciary duty to mitigate these

3713
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:27,200
risks. Ignoring documented evidence of

3714
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:29,439
vendor non-compliance is not playing it

3715
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:32,640
safe. It's inviting a lawsuit.

3716
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,640
Furthermore, there is profound

3717
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:37,520
reputational risk to this body and to us

3718
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:40,160
individually as elected officials. And I

3719
02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:42,160
believe we're at a turning point. Our

3720
02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:44,960
neighbors in Mountain View, Menllo Park,

3721
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:47,680
Santa Clara County, and several others

3722
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:49,760
have already faced the fallout of these

3723
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:52,720
unauthorized data leaks. If Woodside

3724
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:54,560
becomes the next headline because we

3725
02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:56,880
chose to ignore the red flags raised by

3726
02:31:56,880 --> 02:31:58,319
investigative journalists and

3727
02:31:58,319 --> 02:32:00,560
neighboring police chiefs, we will have

3728
02:32:00,560 --> 02:32:02,720
failed in our role as stewards of the

3729
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:05,760
public trust. Residents will rightly ask

3730
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:08,000
why we continue to to trust a system

3731
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,240
that was demonstrably compromised

3732
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:13,120
elsewhere. In action today will be seen

3733
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:14,800
as an endorsement of the vendor's

3734
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:17,520
practices tomorrow.

3735
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:19,439
And Woodside is not alone in these

3736
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:23,120
concerns. In the past year, nearly 30

3737
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:25,359
jurisdictions, including our neighbors

3738
02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:28,319
in Los Altos Hills and Santa Cruz, have

3739
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:31,280
canled or declined to renew their flock

3740
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:33,200
contracts.

3741
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,040
Santa Clara County has delayed its

3742
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,120
renewal pending a full investigation

3743
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:39,520
into unauthorized data sharing and

3744
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:42,960
federal uh with federal authorities.

3745
02:32:42,960 --> 02:32:44,880
I believe in providing our sheriff

3746
02:32:44,880 --> 02:32:47,120
deputies with the resources they need to

3747
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:50,800
keep Woodside safe. However, safety also

3748
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,800
requires that we protect our residents

3749
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:54,960
from the overreaching surveillance and

3750
02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:58,399
insecure technology. We cannot simply

3751
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:02,800
infer or trust or review and accept this

3752
02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:04,720
report when the when the vendor

3753
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,479
providing the data is facing a

3754
02:33:06,479 --> 02:33:09,200
nationwide crisis of trust. So I'm

3755
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:11,439
respectfully asking my colleagues to

3756
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:13,680
consider the following.

3757
02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:16,000
We should pause the program and the

3758
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:18,319
installation of any additional cameras,

3759
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,000
including the one requested for running

3760
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:22,960
me, until we have a full explanation

3761
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:24,960
from Flock regarding the unauthorized

3762
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:28,319
lookup settings found in other cities.

3763
02:33:28,319 --> 02:33:31,040
We absolutely need a more robust audit

3764
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:34,160
process. Checking 40 searches out of

3765
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:35,840
118,000

3766
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,920
is insufficient to ensure that our

3767
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:40,160
policy is being followed.

3768
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:42,640
And most importantly, we must direct our

3769
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,800
town manager to explore alternative

3770
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:47,920
vendors. We need a partner that respects

3771
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,560
local control, prioritizes cyber

3772
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,479
security, and understands that in a

3773
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:54,479
democracy, transparency is not an

3774
02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:57,359
attack. It's an obligation.

3775
02:33:57,359 --> 02:33:59,439
To fulfill our responsibility to this

3776
02:33:59,439 --> 02:34:01,280
community, we must move beyond the

3777
02:34:01,280 --> 02:34:03,760
current reporting structure. The

3778
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:05,840
quarterly and annual reports you receive

3779
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:07,680
are currently prepared by the town

3780
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:10,880
manager's office, staffed by dedicated

3781
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:13,600
municipal employees, but individuals who

3782
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:16,160
are not experts in data privacy, cyber

3783
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:19,680
security, or digital forensic auditing.

3784
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:22,000
Expecting a town manager to verify the

3785
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:24,960
architectural integrity of a nationwide

3786
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:27,760
surveillance database and program is

3787
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:30,479
neither fair to staff nor effective for

3788
02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:33,200
our oversight duties. Therefore, my

3789
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:34,800
final recommendation is that the town of

3790
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:36,960
Woodside immediately transition to a

3791
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:39,520
third-party audit model. We should hire

3792
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:41,439
an independent firm with specific

3793
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:43,439
technical expertise in privacy and

3794
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:47,120
security to conduct our ALPR reviews.

3795
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:48,960
This external auditor would be tasked

3796
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:50,640
with verifying that our data is not

3797
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:52,720
being accessed by unauthorized federal

3798
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:54,880
or out of state agencies and that the

3799
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:56,720
vendor is meeting the highest standards

3800
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:59,359
of encryption and security.

3801
02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:01,840
Replacing our internal reports with a

3802
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:04,240
professional independent audit is a

3803
02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:06,960
common sense measure. It provides the

3804
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:09,040
council with the expert analysis we need

3805
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:11,200
to make informed decisions. And it

3806
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:12,960
provides the public with the assurance

3807
02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:15,439
that their privacy is being protected by

3808
02:35:15,439 --> 02:35:18,720
more than just a vendor's promise.

3809
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:20,479
If we are to maintain the trust of this

3810
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:22,240
community, we must show that we are

3811
02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:24,319
willing to hold our vendors accountable

3812
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:27,200
when they fail to meet our standards.

3813
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:29,439
Safety and privacy are not mutually

3814
02:35:29,439 --> 02:35:32,240
exclusive. They both require a vendor we

3815
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:35,760
can trust and oversight we can verify.

3816
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:37,200
Based on the evidence we have seen

3817
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:39,200
tonight and over the last few months, I

3818
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:42,399
do not believe Flock Safety is a vendor.

3819
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:45,200
Nor do I is it is is that vendor, nor do

3820
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:47,439
I believe our current oversight model is

3821
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:49,040
sufficient to protect the people of

3822
02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:50,640
Woodside.

3823
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:53,680
Thank you.

3824
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:55,520
Uh, and where are you on sheriff

3825
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:57,760
reporting relationship?

3826
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:02,720
>> Um, so yeah, if I'm interpreting your um

3827
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:05,680
suggestion, so this is actually a a

3828
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:08,080
nuance that I hadn't appreciated. So

3829
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:11,600
you're saying that currently the sheriff

3830
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:13,200
rather than say having a reporting

3831
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:16,080
relationship to the town manager reports

3832
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,880
to a committee. I'm saying that

3833
02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:22,640
currently the sheriff's department um

3834
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:24,560
goes to the circulation committee.

3835
02:36:24,560 --> 02:36:29,439
um are volunteers.

3836
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:32,960
Uh we I I don't I feel shielded a little

3837
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:34,960
bit by not I don't feel like we have

3838
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:36,479
great governance. I don't feel like I

3839
02:36:36,479 --> 02:36:38,319
know what's happening uh the way I

3840
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:40,479
should. And I think that it would be

3841
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:43,280
helpful if the sheriff's department uh

3842
02:36:43,280 --> 02:36:45,200
as our number one line item and with all

3843
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:47,280
these safety issues and with the cameras

3844
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,439
and everything else that's going on that

3845
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:52,399
we would adopt a uh a reporting

3846
02:36:52,399 --> 02:36:53,520
relationship that would be a direct

3847
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:55,040
reporting rel relationship which I think

3848
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:56,800
would be appropriate and good municipal

3849
02:36:56,800 --> 02:36:58,240
governance.

3850
02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,200
>> Um well, first I'll say I'm I'm very

3851
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:02,960
curious for my fellow council members to

3852
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:04,560
weigh in on the proposals that I just

3853
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:07,840
made but all to to address your

3854
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:09,760
suggestions. So, you know, I was a

3855
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:12,160
member of the circulation committee for

3856
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:17,600
uh a year or so and um I never saw the

3857
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:19,760
sheriff's presence at the circulation

3858
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:22,000
committee as creating a reporting

3859
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:23,920
relationship and in in a governance

3860
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:28,399
sense, right? Um there was no um

3861
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:30,560
yeah, that that in my mind that's not

3862
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:32,640
what I observed or I experienced. I

3863
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:35,520
think the sheriff um showed up and

3864
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:38,000
offered really valuable information

3865
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:40,800
about the number of traffic stops in the

3866
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:43,680
community and other um factual details

3867
02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:45,359
to help inform the circulation

3868
02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:49,200
committee's um agenda deliberations,

3869
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:51,040
etc. So, I I would want to see that

3870
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:54,720
continue. Uh that being said, I'm 100%

3871
02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:58,160
in support of establishing a more robust

3872
02:37:58,160 --> 02:37:59,920
uh governance relationship between the

3873
02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:01,920
town of Woodside and the and the

3874
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:03,520
sheriff's office. I think like you said,

3875
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:05,280
it's one of our it's either the number

3876
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:10,479
one or or one of the top um you know uh

3877
02:38:10,479 --> 02:38:12,399
costs to the town of Woodside. And so I

3878
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:16,240
think um we absolutely need to to manage

3879
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:18,880
that relationship closely. And um so

3880
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:20,240
yeah, I think that's a long-winded

3881
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:21,840
saying long-winded way of saying I would

3882
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:23,840
very much support a more robust

3883
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:25,920
governance relationship between uh the

3884
02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:28,800
town manager and the sheriff's office.

3885
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:30,800
>> Uh so that's slightly different than

3886
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,880
what my ask was. So you are not

3887
02:38:32,880 --> 02:38:34,240
supportive of moving the sheriff

3888
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:36,080
directly reporting to council. You want

3889
02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:37,840
to keep the sheriff continuing to

3890
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:40,399
present at circulation.

3891
02:38:40,399 --> 02:38:41,760
>> I don't think that's exactly what I'm

3892
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:45,520
saying. I think I I I don't view the

3893
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:48,160
sheriff's reporting to circulation as

3894
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:51,439
creating a a governance or uh a

3895
02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:53,040
reporting relationship in the governance

3896
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:54,240
sense. I mean, they certainly are

3897
02:38:54,240 --> 02:38:57,840
reporting information. Um so I don't

3898
02:38:57,840 --> 02:38:59,359
think that we need to change anything

3899
02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:00,880
about how the sheriff shows up at

3900
02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:02,479
circulation committee, but I think we

3901
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:05,760
should establish a uh governance

3902
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:07,840
relationship between the town manager

3903
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:11,510
and the sheriff.

3904
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:14,399
Okay. Thank you. Uh, all right. I've got

3905
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:17,280
one, two, three, or five items. Uh, so I

3906
02:39:17,280 --> 02:39:18,880
don't know if anybody like like to go

3907
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:21,520
next on any perspectives and then I'll

3908
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,520
just ask these five items that have been

3909
02:39:23,520 --> 02:39:26,880
put forth from this

3910
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:27,680
as well.

3911
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:29,200
>> I'll I'll I'll jump in.

3912
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:30,720
>> Okay.

3913
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:33,200
And uh first I'd like to point out that

3914
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:36,640
there's Woodside has a long history with

3915
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:38,800
the sheriff's department and we've

3916
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:42,560
always found to be very very trustful,

3917
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:45,359
very high level of integrity and very

3918
02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:48,479
honest with us. Um there's no evidence

3919
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:50,479
of violations in the way they've been

3920
02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:54,640
handling flock with us. Um,

3921
02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:56,560
there's there's no hard evidence that

3922
02:39:56,560 --> 02:39:59,439
says how many

3923
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:02,240
crimes have been prevented

3924
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,880
because of flock, but I can tell you my

3925
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:07,200
own personal experiences. The other day,

3926
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:09,359
walked out the door. My I live on

3927
02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:10,960
Northgate, one of the streets that has

3928
02:40:10,960 --> 02:40:13,280
the Flock camera, and there were two

3929
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:17,680
unoccupied vehicles parked next door,

3930
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:20,160
unoccupied, nobody's around. My first

3931
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:21,920
instinct is we better call the sheriff

3932
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:23,840
and say what are we going to do. Then I

3933
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:26,640
realize I look up there's a flock sign.

3934
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:28,800
Guy wouldn't be crazy enough to try to

3935
02:40:28,800 --> 02:40:30,720
break into a house right underneath the

3936
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,080
flock sign. And that tells me that there

3937
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:38,960
is a a a strong evidence that it's going

3938
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:41,439
to be a um reduction of our crime and

3939
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:44,399
continue to reduce crime in Woodside.

3940
02:40:44,399 --> 02:40:48,640
Um, so I'm I'm very much in favor of

3941
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:50,800
what they have been doing. Can we

3942
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:52,479
improve it? I don't know. I'm not sure

3943
02:40:52,479 --> 02:40:55,200
the evidence is any problems in

3944
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:57,200
Woodside.

3945
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:58,800
Nobody tonight has said that there were

3946
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:01,359
any issues that come up with Flock and

3947
02:41:01,359 --> 02:41:03,920
the way it's been managed in Woodside.

3948
02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:09,040
Um and in terms of privacy issues which

3949
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:10,640
were brought up when we first came into

3950
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:13,359
flock as well as every quarter it come

3951
02:41:13,359 --> 02:41:15,439
seems to come up. I want to point out to

3952
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:18,240
everybody and then you know this is your

3953
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:20,720
credit information in case you didn't

3954
02:41:20,720 --> 02:41:24,160
know it is on the dark web which

3955
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:27,040
everybody's priv is available on the

3956
02:41:27,040 --> 02:41:28,880
dark web. I know that because I've been

3957
02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:31,680
talking to um credit fraud companies

3958
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:34,399
about, you know, personal

3959
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:36,960
protection and they told me about every

3960
02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:38,720
all of your evidence of all of your

3961
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:42,399
finances all over the dark web. So that

3962
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:44,560
is not a privacy. If you think that's a

3963
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:48,160
protection, um I'd also point out that

3964
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:51,040
um Google

3965
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:52,640
sells your information for heaven's

3966
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:56,160
sakes. um you go into Safeway, you go

3967
02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:58,479
down the aisle, they're picking up

3968
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:01,359
information about what you buy and when

3969
02:42:01,359 --> 02:42:06,080
you're buying it. Um and so I don't know

3970
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:07,840
where

3971
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:10,800
I would would go further um in terms of

3972
02:42:10,800 --> 02:42:13,359
changing what we're doing with the uh

3973
02:42:13,359 --> 02:42:15,439
the sheriff department and flock at this

3974
02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:18,160
point. Um I I understand what you I

3975
02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:20,560
said, Jen, I go I commend you the amount

3976
02:42:20,560 --> 02:42:23,359
of work you put into this. Um, I'm just

3977
02:42:23,359 --> 02:42:25,920
not sure I'm ready to say do a whole

3978
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:32,800
scale change stop because there's some a few instances around the country

3979
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:36,080
and I I'm I'm

3980
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:38,800
keep in mind how many transactions occur

3981
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:41,520
throughout the law enforcement world

3982
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:45,439
annually daily and we're talking about a

3983
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:47,439
uh a relatively small number of

3984
02:42:47,439 --> 02:42:49,280
instances where information has been

3985
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:51,680
improperly disclosed.

3986
02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:54,800
um having one one in one officer in one

3987
02:42:54,800 --> 02:42:58,560
community using it to go after his his

3988
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:01,600
wife or spouse or girlfriend. That's on

3989
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,359
television for heaven's sakes. I've seen

3990
02:43:03,359 --> 02:43:06,399
plenty of programs about that. Um and

3991
02:43:06,399 --> 02:43:09,200
it's an individual instance. I don't

3992
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:11,520
think it has anything to do with block

3993
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:13,280
as being it's just one more tool they

3994
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:15,040
might use for that, but it's an

3995
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:17,680
individual problem. So, as far as

3996
02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:20,080
reporting to the council, yes, I'm all

3997
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:23,520
for that. Uh, I think I'd like to have

3998
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:26,319
more input. Um, and I've seen the

3999
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:28,240
circulation committee and what the the

4000
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:29,520
sheriff does with the circulation

4001
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:31,280
committee because I'm the leazison on

4002
02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:33,760
that. Um, I think that information is

4003
02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:35,359
very good for them, but the council

4004
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:38,240
should be seeing that information and if

4005
02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:39,920
there any action to be taken, it should

4006
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:42,880
be taken by the council ultimately um to

4007
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:44,800
act on it.

4008
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:46,720
So, that's what I have to say.

4009
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:49,439
>> Thank you. Let me just uh for uh sake of

4010
02:43:49,439 --> 02:43:51,760
clarity go through the other four items.

4011
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,720
Um there was a motion to give direction

4012
02:43:54,720 --> 02:43:56,880
to pause the program and installations.

4013
02:43:56,880 --> 02:43:58,319
You are a yes or a no?

4014
02:43:58,319 --> 02:43:59,600
>> No.

4015
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:03,200
>> There was a motion to uh for more robust

4016
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:06,080
audit searches.

4017
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:07,279
>> No.

4018
02:44:07,279 --> 02:44:10,479
>> There was a motion for explore

4019
02:44:10,479 --> 02:44:12,720
um alternate vendors.

4020
02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:14,399
>> No.

4021
02:44:14,399 --> 02:44:16,479
There was a motion to transition to a

4022
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:18,800
third party audit

4023
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:20,319
uh company.

4024
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:21,200
>> No.

4025
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:24,550
>> Okay.

4026
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:26,640
Who's next?

4027
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:27,359
>> I can go.

4028
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:29,680
>> Thank you, Council Member Abish.

4029
02:44:29,680 --> 02:44:32,240
>> Thank you. Um

4030
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:34,160
this is uh this is a lot to think about.

4031
02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:37,760
I I have to say I I really appreciate uh

4032
02:44:37,760 --> 02:44:40,560
Council Member Wall um all the points

4033
02:44:40,560 --> 02:44:43,920
you raised and and you also uh Council

4034
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:47,439
Member Brown. Um I do appreciate that

4035
02:44:47,439 --> 02:44:50,080
this that there are major privacy risks.

4036
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:54,800
Um, and but but when I personally when I

4037
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:57,600
take a step back, I care most about

4038
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:00,960
safety and of the community, of my kids

4039
02:45:00,960 --> 02:45:04,000
selfishly, my family, everybody around

4040
02:45:04,000 --> 02:45:08,160
me, my neighbors, my friends. Um, and

4041
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:09,840
what I view as one of the biggest risks

4042
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:11,920
is is criminals. I mean, I don't I don't

4043
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:14,000
think that there's, you know, like a any

4044
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:15,520
significant chance that we're going to

4045
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:17,040
get

4046
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:18,479
um, you know, something's going to

4047
02:45:18,479 --> 02:45:19,600
happen in Woodside. I think it's a

4048
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:22,399
pretty safe place, but I mean, I've

4049
02:45:22,399 --> 02:45:24,240
known people that have died. I know

4050
02:45:24,240 --> 02:45:25,840
somebody, one of my close high school

4051
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:28,160
friends got killed in a convenience

4052
02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:30,080
store and never caught the person who

4053
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:34,880
did it. Um I I've known uh somebody else

4054
02:45:34,880 --> 02:45:38,399
who got um lost their daughter because

4055
02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:40,479
of a a horrible accident where somebody

4056
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:43,920
was fleeing a crime scene. And you know

4057
02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:48,160
I I consider those the real risks in my life. The things that I when I

4058
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:50,080
think about them I don't want you know I

4059
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:52,080
want to do what I can to prevent them.

4060
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:55,359
And so for me that is a tangible risk

4061
02:45:55,359 --> 02:45:57,920
that that this the flock system you know

4062
02:45:57,920 --> 02:46:00,960
with its flaws

4063
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:04,160
it's going to it creates some protection

4064
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:06,479
you know where we we are going to have

4065
02:46:06,479 --> 02:46:09,439
uh you know if if a criminal does

4066
02:46:09,439 --> 02:46:11,520
something horrific or even you know a

4067
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:13,279
relatively minor crime and starts

4068
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:15,920
fleeing through Woodside

4069
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:18,720
I like to know that there is some safety

4070
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:20,399
net there's some protection that

4071
02:46:20,399 --> 02:46:22,720
somebody's going to catch um uh that

4072
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:24,240
there is a system in place that's going

4073
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:26,240
to prevent it. They're not going to, you

4074
02:46:26,240 --> 02:46:28,479
know, come flying through

4075
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:30,800
and, you know, look for a place to hide

4076
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:33,120
out and, you know, hopefully run in, you

4077
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:37,200
know, me or my family. Um I'd like to

4078
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:38,640
know that that doesn't exist. And, you

4079
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,720
know, and I when I think about it,

4080
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:46,240
privacy, yes, I I 100% agree. Um, I I

4081
02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:49,600
worked in law school. I worked uh

4082
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:52,560
temporarily um I did an internship with

4083
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:54,880
the California Attorney General's office

4084
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:57,279
uh and for the privacy sector

4085
02:46:57,279 --> 02:46:58,880
specifically going after companies that

4086
02:46:58,880 --> 02:47:01,600
were violating privacy uh issues and I

4087
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:04,880
so I 100% value it. Um, but I I feel

4088
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:08,800
like what relative to the other privacy

4089
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:11,600
risks that we're looking at right now,

4090
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:14,319
when you consider it in the scope of

4091
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:16,880
everything, I was just reading about uh

4092
02:47:16,880 --> 02:47:19,920
Ring Central cameras can now identify a

4093
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:22,880
dog that's run away. If you're if you're

4094
02:47:22,880 --> 02:47:25,279
if you lost your dog, you can somehow

4095
02:47:25,279 --> 02:47:27,359
upload a picture of it into Ring Central

4096
02:47:27,359 --> 02:47:30,000
and it'll scan their whole system and

4097
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:32,640
help you find your dog. And I would be

4098
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:34,080
shocked if if it didn't work with

4099
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:36,720
humans. I mean, you know, or or

4100
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:38,800
whatever. I mean, license plates.

4101
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:40,960
There's so much information now. And the

4102
02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:42,800
same I I was just reading about it.

4103
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:44,399
Google,

4104
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:46,160
I believe it was Google uh settled

4105
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:48,479
another lawsuit, you know, for you know,

4106
02:47:48,479 --> 02:47:50,160
hey Google, and then or you don't say

4107
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:51,520
hey Google, you say something else and

4108
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:53,439
it sounds like it and suddenly it's

4109
02:47:53,439 --> 02:47:55,040
recording. And the same with Siri. I

4110
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:58,160
remember lawsuits with that. And um you

4111
02:47:58,160 --> 02:48:00,800
know uh anytime you use a map

4112
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:02,319
application, I'm sure they have your

4113
02:48:02,319 --> 02:48:04,720
data. I'm sure they're linked. You know,

4114
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:07,520
they they have an they know who you are.

4115
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:10,160
They they can track it, your your cell

4116
02:48:10,160 --> 02:48:12,560
phone, social media. I mean, our data is

4117
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:14,560
everywhere. So, this is this is one of

4118
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:16,720
the few instances where I feel like we

4119
02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:20,240
have a an application. Is it perfect?

4120
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:24,080
No. Um is it are there risks? It sounds

4121
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:26,240
like there are. and you know they're

4122
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:28,880
being explored right now. Um hopefully

4123
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:30,319
you know this is a a learning

4124
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:32,960
opportunity and things are and it sounds

4125
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:40,479
like already things are put in place to improve. Um you know so but I think

4126
02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:43,200
that the this program specifically does

4127
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:46,000
provide an actual benefit. Does my you

4128
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,840
know device at home my you know hey

4129
02:48:47,840 --> 02:48:49,920
Google my Siri stuff does that give me

4130
02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:52,640
any real protection? No. this seems to

4131
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:55,600
and I so and I feel like while there

4132
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:57,520
were a lot of voices that were you know

4133
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:00,319
are speaking up against privacy I think

4134
02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:02,720
most of the people in Woodside that I

4135
02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:06,800
know care most about safety and so while they're not here today and not

4136
02:49:06,800 --> 02:49:09,040
talking about it I do think that that's

4137
02:49:09,040 --> 02:49:11,920
a very high priority for people um and

4138
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:14,880
so I would want to uh you know consider

4139
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:19,040
that um

4140
02:49:19,040 --> 02:49:23,600
so going through the the proposals. Um

4141
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:24,080
>> I don't

4142
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:25,840
>> you like me to call them out or

4143
02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:27,279
>> I think I got them.

4144
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:29,439
>> Let me know if I if I miss any. But

4145
02:49:29,439 --> 02:49:32,399
>> um the proposal to pause, I don't think

4146
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:35,760
I'm there yet. Um I don't think I'm I

4147
02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:40,720
feel like the the benefits outweigh the costs currently. Um the reporting

4148
02:49:40,720 --> 02:49:43,439
structure, yes, absolutely open to that

4149
02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:49,200
one. Um an external audit. I I do like

4150
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,760
the idea. I don't know. I'd want to know

4151
02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:54,240
the cost. Um because it sounds quite

4152
02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:57,520
expensive. Um

4153
02:49:57,520 --> 02:50:00,000
and you know updating the reporting

4154
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:01,600
structure

4155
02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:03,200
or or not it's not the reporting

4156
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:05,680
structure but the amount of information

4157
02:50:05,680 --> 02:50:08,479
we receive and the the you know is it is

4158
02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:10,800
40 random

4159
02:50:10,800 --> 02:50:15,040
searches enough? I I would like more but

4160
02:50:15,040 --> 02:50:17,279
at the same time I also don't like the

4161
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:19,920
thought of our law enforcement spending

4162
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:22,399
hours and hours doing

4163
02:50:22,399 --> 02:50:24,160
kind of this this type of I mean just

4164
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:26,960
you know spending so much time on this

4165
02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:28,960
specific thing and on a quarterly basis

4166
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:32,319
it feels like a like a heavy lift when I

4167
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:34,880
would prefer resources directed

4168
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:37,920
elsewhere you know and and I would I I

4169
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:39,040
don't know if there's a more efficient

4170
02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:40,640
way to do this if there's another you

4171
02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:42,319
know I'm not sure what it is maybe it is

4172
02:50:42,319 --> 02:50:45,760
the the outside auditor um might be more

4173
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:48,319
efficient but

4174
02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:49,520
um what okay

4175
02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:51,760
>> the last one was explore alternative

4176
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:52,800
vendors

4177
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:53,840
>> alternative

4178
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:55,439
>> I'd be open to that because I don't know

4179
02:50:55,439 --> 02:50:57,200
I I'm not sure I didn't know that flock

4180
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:58,720
had until today I didn't know that there

4181
02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:00,160
were alternative vendors to be fully

4182
02:51:00,160 --> 02:51:02,000
honest with you so I'm not opposed to

4183
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:02,800
that one

4184
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:07,110
>> okay thank you

4185
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:08,319
» yes mayor prom gold

4186
02:51:08,319 --> 02:51:10,240
>> it's been an interesting night

4187
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:13,120
>> yeah been a I mean, it has. I appreciate

4188
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:15,040
everybody's patience. Um, I've got a

4189
02:51:15,040 --> 02:51:16,319
whole bunch of stuff to say and I'll try

4190
02:51:16,319 --> 02:51:18,399
to make it brief. I wanted to start with

4191
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:19,680
something and hopefully I'll end there

4192
02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:21,920
because I tend to meander around here as

4193
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:24,319
I get lost in my thoughts. Um, what's

4194
02:51:24,319 --> 02:51:27,040
before us tonight is to review and

4195
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:29,040
accept the quarterly and annual reports

4196
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:31,040
from the San Monteo County Sheriff's

4197
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:33,760
Office, not Flock, uh, regarding the use

4198
02:51:33,760 --> 02:51:38,000
of ALPRs. So, that's what's before us. I find all of this really fascinating

4199
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:40,560
and interesting and meaningful and

4200
02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:43,359
reasonable and people make great points.

4201
02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:45,040
That's just not before us tonight.

4202
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:47,279
What's before us tonight is are we in

4203
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:49,600
compliance, actually the sheriff's

4204
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:51,279
office in compliance with the policy

4205
02:51:51,279 --> 02:51:54,880
that we wrote?

4206
02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:57,279
And um it's okay if we want to change

4207
02:51:57,279 --> 02:51:59,920
it, but that's not where we are tonight.

4208
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:01,439
And and I actually don't mind changing

4209
02:52:01,439 --> 02:52:03,359
it. In fact, if I remember correctly,

4210
02:52:03,359 --> 02:52:04,960
unless I hallucinated this whole thing,

4211
02:52:04,960 --> 02:52:07,279
which is entirely possible, I think

4212
02:52:07,279 --> 02:52:10,160
about six months ago, I wrote a an email

4213
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:12,160
to the town manager and town attorney

4214
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,040
about a new idea for and it involved a

4215
02:52:15,040 --> 02:52:15,920
lot of the things we're talking about

4216
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:21,760
tonight, a much deeper dive in uh more a better sample size, maybe not

4217
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:23,279
necessarily so deep, but there were

4218
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:24,560
other things there. I don't know. Maybe

4219
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:26,560
I'll I'd have to search my email to see

4220
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:29,040
if I did write it. But um the bottom

4221
02:52:29,040 --> 02:52:31,760
line is I can get to the recommendation

4222
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:34,880
that um the town is asking us, are we in

4223
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:36,319
compliance? And I I think we are. I

4224
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:37,840
haven't seen any evidence that we're not

4225
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:40,560
yet. So I'm going to I'll I start there

4226
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:42,800
and I'm going to end there as well. Um

4227
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:44,960
there are very few people in this room

4228
02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:47,359
who have been involved. I I'm fascinated

4229
02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:48,960
with the number of attorneys from

4230
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:51,840
Redwood City and nearby cities and Assan

4231
02:52:51,840 --> 02:52:54,399
for sure. And I I I I you know I suspect

4232
02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:55,680
anybody who's gone to law school has

4233
02:52:55,680 --> 02:52:57,920
been involved in these sorts of issues.

4234
02:52:57,920 --> 02:52:59,920
The civil liberties and the you know

4235
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:01,600
personal privacy issue. I've been a

4236
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:05,680
member of the ACLU since 1969.

4237
02:53:05,680 --> 02:53:08,160
Yeah. I'm that old. I joined when I was

4238
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:11,040
18. I was in high school and pretty

4239
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,040
proud of it. I've I've always like been

4240
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:14,479
into that. And in fact, I'll tell you

4241
02:53:14,479 --> 02:53:16,880
the one episode that gave me pause was

4242
02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:19,359
the Nazi march in Skoi, Illinois. And I

4243
02:53:19,359 --> 02:53:22,080
was really um as a Jew, it really

4244
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:23,840
impacted me greatly. And I thought, you

4245
02:53:23,840 --> 02:53:26,000
know, this is why we're in it. This is

4246
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,160
exactly why I'm a member of the ACLU was

4247
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:31,040
to defend the essentially the rights of

4248
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:33,040
those protesters and in this case the

4249
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:35,040
rights of privacy. So it is a pretty big

4250
02:53:35,040 --> 02:53:36,240
issue. I don't take a backseat to

4251
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:38,960
anybody on that. But it is a whole new

4252
02:53:38,960 --> 02:53:41,520
world. And uh I flew to Mexico about a

4253
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:43,279
week or so ago. When I went to the

4254
02:53:43,279 --> 02:53:45,760
airport, no passport, no nothing. Facial

4255
02:53:45,760 --> 02:53:47,680
recognition,

4256
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:49,840
stepped right on.

4257
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:51,920
I I was pretty shocked to be honest with

4258
02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:53,439
you. I didn't have to show anything. And

4259
02:53:53,439 --> 02:53:55,920
I'm a not your real ID, not your

4260
02:53:55,920 --> 02:53:58,080
passport, nothing. And I flew to Mexico

4261
02:53:58,080 --> 02:53:59,520
and they just it was all facial

4262
02:53:59,520 --> 02:54:01,439
recognition. Just go right on, wave me

4263
02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:02,960
right in. By the way, same thing coming

4264
02:54:02,960 --> 02:54:05,120
back into the country. Um which was

4265
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:07,439
pretty um

4266
02:54:07,439 --> 02:54:10,080
intriguing to me. Um, I'm also

4267
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:12,160
fascinated by what something Assan has

4268
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:14,720
said. He and I have had this uh contest

4269
02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:16,399
going on for a couple of years here.

4270
02:54:16,399 --> 02:54:19,840
When we first discussed ALPRs,

4271
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:22,399
um, it was about 50/50 if I remember

4272
02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:23,840
correctly. They were like half the

4273
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:26,479
people were, you know, crime at the time

4274
02:54:26,479 --> 02:54:28,000
crime was a big deal. Residential

4275
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:29,680
burglaries, especially where I live, it

4276
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:31,760
was a big deal and people wanted

4277
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:34,000
something and um, for whatever reason,

4278
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:35,840
they seem to have gone down. I'm I don't

4279
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:38,160
attribute that solely to ALPRs. I think

4280
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:40,560
our sheriff's patrols have have done a

4281
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:42,160
lot of good as well. And maybe just

4282
02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:44,319
nationwide crime is down. But that

4283
02:54:44,319 --> 02:54:46,479
shifted and I think when we were here a

4284
02:54:46,479 --> 02:54:48,800
couple of years ago, it was about 9010.

4285
02:54:48,800 --> 02:54:50,399
I mean, people were like asking for more

4286
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:52,720
cameras. Can we have more? We want more.

4287
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:54,720
This is like they're they're so good.

4288
02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:57,760
And I sense that it's shifting back the

4289
02:54:57,760 --> 02:54:59,920
other way. So, it's making my friend

4290
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:01,600
Assan

4291
02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:05,359
he's in he's in more company now. And I see that and I think that there

4292
02:55:05,359 --> 02:55:07,439
have been abuses and that's fine. But of

4293
02:55:07,439 --> 02:55:08,720
all the things that I've heard here, I

4294
02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:09,920
haven't heard a single abuse from the

4295
02:55:09,920 --> 02:55:12,000
sheriff's office. And I'm I'm more, you

4296
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:14,160
know, there's been a lot of talk about

4297
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:16,319
truthfulness. And your jobs are on the

4298
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:19,439
line if you lie. I know that. Um, and so

4299
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:22,080
it's a big deal. But I also question the

4300
02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:25,359
truthfulness of Mountain View. How do I

4301
02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:26,560
know they're telling the truth? I mean,

4302
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:27,840
they they've said something and we've

4303
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:30,000
heard conflicting evidence tonight. They

4304
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:31,680
say that Flock changed it. Well, I don't

4305
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:33,120
know if they changed it or not. Why why

4306
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:34,560
are we so willing to think that they're

4307
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:37,040
being truthful? But our sheriff's

4308
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:41,120
office, our deputies who we know and we have a long-standing relationship

4309
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:43,040
with them and there's not a single

4310
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,720
cintilla of evidence that they've done

4311
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:46,960
anything wrong or misled us that

4312
02:55:46,960 --> 02:55:48,880
suddenly their word is in doubt. I don't

4313
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:51,840
view it that way. I I know um our

4314
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:53,359
deputies and the folks at the sheriff's

4315
02:55:53,359 --> 02:55:55,040
department and at least I I we have no

4316
02:55:55,040 --> 02:55:57,840
evidence that they are doing anything to

4317
02:55:57,840 --> 02:56:02,560
um u mislead us. Um,

4318
02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:04,479
the last thing I do want to say is

4319
02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:07,040
there's there's a right now there's a

4320
02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:08,880
major tragedy going on in Tucson,

4321
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:12,160
Arizona with Savannah Guthri's mother.

4322
02:56:12,160 --> 02:56:14,319
And I, you know, we're all sort of glued

4323
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:16,160
to the TV. Well, maybe not everybody,

4324
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:17,680
but I've been glued to the TV watching

4325
02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:20,240
this. It's a pretty a tragic case, of

4326
02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:22,560
course, for the family and for this 84

4327
02:56:22,560 --> 02:56:24,080
year old mom, I think. And, you know, I

4328
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:26,240
just can't even imagine uh what that

4329
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:28,160
family's going through and finding blood

4330
02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:29,359
and those things. But the first thing

4331
02:56:29,359 --> 02:56:33,600
they did was ALPR cameras in the area.

4332
02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:36,640
And you could tell that the suspect that

4333
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:39,439
they they saw went after the ring

4334
02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:41,200
cameras. You're on camera, you know,

4335
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:43,359
wherever you go. And he did things to

4336
02:56:43,359 --> 02:56:45,439
disguise it and erase cameras, but they

4337
02:56:45,439 --> 02:56:48,720
managed to sal salvage them. Cell phone

4338
02:56:48,720 --> 02:56:51,120
towers. What's what, you know, as this

4339
02:56:51,120 --> 02:56:53,120
as the suspect was moving through. It

4340
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:55,120
was like 1:00 in the morning. There's

4341
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:56,560
not a whole lot of activity on cell

4342
02:56:56,560 --> 02:56:58,240
phone towers. And did they find

4343
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:02,399
anything? We're being tracked 24/7

4344
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:05,120
on this phone. I can tell you Apple and

4345
02:57:05,120 --> 02:57:10,800
Google and, you know, anybody else who's out there, Verizon knows where I

4346
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:14,800
am at all times and uh they let me know

4347
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:16,720
that in no uncertain terms when they're

4348
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:19,359
suggesting me that I buy certain things

4349
02:57:19,359 --> 02:57:22,960
when I get near a target. Um but anyway,

4350
02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:24,880
um this is anything but business as

4351
02:57:24,880 --> 02:57:26,560
usual. We take this seriously. I think

4352
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:29,520
that the comments we the I congratulate

4353
02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:31,359
council member wall. It was a very it

4354
02:57:31,359 --> 02:57:34,479
was a really thorough uh exercise of the

4355
02:57:34,479 --> 02:57:36,800
um the seriousness that we take this and

4356
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:39,040
I think everybody is taking it seriously

4357
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:43,920
and um I can obviously get there with uh

4358
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:46,560
that we're in compliance. But I do think

4359
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:48,160
consistent with that email that I sent

4360
02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:50,080
the 6 months or so ago, we need to

4361
02:57:50,080 --> 02:57:51,680
revisit this and we need to take a look

4362
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:53,760
at it again. And I would, you know, I

4363
02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:55,760
think everything, all the issues that

4364
02:57:55,760 --> 02:57:58,240
council member Wall had discussed should

4365
02:57:58,240 --> 02:58:00,880
be on the table. Um, I think before we

4366
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:03,200
suggest 1%, we should do a statistical

4367
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:05,200
power. That's a real thing. I mean, you

4368
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:09,359
don't just say, I want to do 1%. Um,

4369
02:58:09,359 --> 02:58:11,120
there's a way to power your your surveys

4370
02:58:11,120 --> 02:58:12,160
to make sure they're right. We don't

4371
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:13,600
sample 1% of the United States

4372
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:15,600
population to do a presidential poll

4373
02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:16,960
when they're accurate within, you know,

4374
02:58:16,960 --> 02:58:19,040
plus or minus 3%. Now, I know that

4375
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:20,319
that's an accuracy thing, not

4376
02:58:20,319 --> 02:58:22,800
necessarily an audit, but you're no

4377
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:24,240
matter if you change vendors, you're

4378
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:25,359
still going to be dependent on the

4379
02:58:25,359 --> 02:58:27,359
truthfulness of those two guys in those

4380
02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:29,600
black uniforms back there. Always, no

4381
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:31,040
matter what, audits are always going to

4382
02:58:31,040 --> 02:58:32,479
be dependent on the data that you go

4383
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:34,000
through there and whether people are

4384
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:35,439
misrepresenting and you can actually

4385
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:38,479
misrepresent an audit. Um, but anyway,

4386
02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:41,359
so I can the biggest question is can I

4387
02:58:41,359 --> 02:58:44,080
see my way clear on the audit? I can. I

4388
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:46,080
think that we have successfully checked

4389
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:48,319
those boxes. there's not any evidence to

4390
02:58:48,319 --> 02:58:50,240
counter that. And I think that with

4391
02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:51,920
regard to all of the points that were

4392
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:54,160
made before, um I think we should put it

4393
02:58:54,160 --> 02:58:55,439
on the agenda and we should have a

4394
02:58:55,439 --> 02:58:57,920
thorough discussion about a new policy

4395
02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:00,240
if that's what we do and how to which

4396
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:01,760
would involve all the things that I

4397
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:04,399
think uh council member Aubberish has uh

4398
02:59:04,399 --> 02:59:06,240
went through and his list there. I would

4399
02:59:06,240 --> 02:59:07,840
go along with almost everything that he

4400
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:10,240
said in in the way he said it.

4401
02:59:10,240 --> 02:59:11,920
>> So you you literally want to say yes to

4402
02:59:11,920 --> 02:59:12,399
every

4403
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:14,240
>> what? Uh no, I would I agreed with

4404
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:15,920
>> Take this one by one with you. Take it

4405
02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:17,120
one by one if you want, but I think I'd

4406
02:59:17,120 --> 02:59:17,600
reflect

4407
02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:19,359
>> sheriff's reporting directly to the

4408
02:59:19,359 --> 02:59:19,920
council.

4409
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:21,520
>> Yes.

4410
02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:22,800
>> Pausing the program.

4411
02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:25,120
>> No.

4412
02:59:25,120 --> 02:59:28,800
>> More robust audit services.

4413
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:31,439
>> Uh not an outside vendor, but but

4414
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:34,399
changing changing the audit. I think

4415
02:59:34,399 --> 02:59:35,680
>> I'm going to say that's a yes.

4416
02:59:35,680 --> 02:59:35,920
>> Yeah.

4417
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:36,240
>> Okay.

4418
02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:39,920
>> Exploring alternative vendors

4419
02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:42,479
>> should be on the table.

4420
02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:43,840
He said

4421
02:59:43,840 --> 02:59:46,720
>> transition to a third party auditor.

4422
02:59:46,720 --> 02:59:48,640
>> Uh probably not because I think that's

4423
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:50,880
going to be an issue for uh the

4424
02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:52,960
sheriff's office that is allowing a

4425
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:54,399
third party vendor to come in and access

4426
02:59:54,399 --> 02:59:56,560
the data. I I find that somewhat

4427
02:59:56,560 --> 02:59:58,960
dangerous.

4428
02:59:58,960 --> 03:00:00,080
>> Okay.

4429
03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:01,600
>> But it's on the table.

4430
03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:06,560
>> Okay. Um Okay. And are you may I just

4431
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:08,640
add a few things? Are you complete?

4432
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:09,279
>> I'm done.

4433
03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:09,840
>> Thank you.

4434
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:10,720
>> I have to be

4435
03:00:10,720 --> 03:00:14,399
>> uh Uh yeah. So starting uh in regard to

4436
03:00:14,399 --> 03:00:15,920
the contract and compliance with the

4437
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:17,600
contract, I didn't hear anything today

4438
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:19,760
that stops us from accepting the report.

4439
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:21,680
Uh it meets all of our written

4440
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:23,840
requirements and uh the answers that

4441
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:25,920
were given tonight were uh

4442
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:27,680
extraordinarily impressive. So I I want

4443
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:30,720
to tip my hat. I I really almost can't

4444
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:32,479
believe uh some of the some of the

4445
03:00:32,479 --> 03:00:36,080
answers that happened tonight. Uh I will

4446
03:00:36,080 --> 03:00:37,920
wholeheartedly admit there is a lot not

4447
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:40,800
to like right now. there is extreme

4448
03:00:40,800 --> 03:00:43,359
reputational damage. Uh the the

4449
03:00:43,359 --> 03:00:45,359
self-certification model, couldn't agree

4450
03:00:45,359 --> 03:00:50,160
more. Um that's problematic. Uh software

4451
03:00:50,160 --> 03:00:52,080
questions, balancing safety with

4452
03:00:52,080 --> 03:00:54,640
privacy. Uh

4453
03:00:54,640 --> 03:00:56,479
it would be very easy to fold our hand

4454
03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:58,000
right now. It's the very it's the easy

4455
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:00,640
thing to do, frankly. Um but I'm not

4456
03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:04,240
there. and um and I'm also not there uh

4457
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:06,319
in terms of the integrity of our

4458
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:09,439
sheriffs and um my belief in their

4459
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:12,240
procedures. Uh when you think about all

4460
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:14,240
these events going on around us, I took

4461
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:16,160
a little time to just go back and ask

4462
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:18,240
myself, why did we originally vote 50-0

4463
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:21,279
to do this? And and and why did we just

4464
03:01:21,279 --> 03:01:23,359
vote 50-0 as a group just a few months

4465
03:01:23,359 --> 03:01:26,640
ago to put another one in? Um the reason

4466
03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:28,319
is it's a very very effective law

4467
03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:31,680
enforcement tool and uh what we hear

4468
03:01:31,680 --> 03:01:33,359
over and over again is it's essential to

4469
03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:36,479
the work of our sheriffs. Uh we have a

4470
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:39,920
wonderful quarterly audit uh process. Uh

4471
03:01:39,920 --> 03:01:41,439
it takes a long time to go through but

4472
03:01:41,439 --> 03:01:46,720
it it is very robust and um we've had in

4473
03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:50,319
writing directly on our questions uh

4474
03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:52,319
comments from you know in writing from

4475
03:01:52,319 --> 03:01:54,080
the sheriffs that they've done their

4476
03:01:54,080 --> 03:01:56,640
audits. we've had public uh releases

4477
03:01:56,640 --> 03:02:00,240
from the sheriff's department u that our

4478
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:02,640
data is not being misused. Uh I think

4479
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,000
some of these examples like the Mountain

4480
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:06,399
View example is a false equivalency and

4481
03:02:06,399 --> 03:02:10,080
I'm I'm just can't get there. So I know

4482
03:02:10,080 --> 03:02:12,080
one speaker

4483
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:14,319
uh had negative things to say about this

4484
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:16,080
bold comment, but when it relates to the

4485
03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:18,160
roads, the license plates, they're

4486
03:02:18,160 --> 03:02:20,160
public domain and we're using technology

4487
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:22,240
to capture them. And when you're on the

4488
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:24,640
road, you're in the public domain. So,

4489
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:26,640
uh, in regards to reporting relationship

4490
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:29,920
with the sheriffs, um, I want to see

4491
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:32,800
that change. So, I'm in that category.

4492
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:36,560
Do not want to see the pause. Um, I do

4493
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:39,359
not want to see, uh, an alternate

4494
03:02:39,359 --> 03:02:40,560
vendor. I think that's going to be

4495
03:02:40,560 --> 03:02:42,000
problematic because I don't think it's

4496
03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:43,840
going to be very effective, frankly. I

4497
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:45,439
think some of the value comes from the

4498
03:02:45,439 --> 03:02:46,960
network, even though there's so much

4499
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:49,680
criticism about beingworked.

4500
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:52,640
The one thing I really liked though um

4501
03:02:52,640 --> 03:02:54,960
was the idea of spending some time

4502
03:02:54,960 --> 03:02:58,160
searching for just what what is entailed

4503
03:02:58,160 --> 03:03:02,160
in a third party auditor. Uh Jason, your

4504
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,080
answers were unbelievable. I've always

4505
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:05,439
been super impressed in the short time

4506
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:07,200
I've known you about how deep you can

4507
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:10,560
dive and have answers that I would have

4508
03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:12,240
thought you were the expert in the in

4509
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:13,920
the entire field of license plate

4510
03:03:13,920 --> 03:03:16,080
readers tonight. It was unbelievable. Uh

4511
03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:17,439
I don't know how you can possibly keep

4512
03:03:17,439 --> 03:03:18,960
that up.

4513
03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:22,160
uh and having deep expertise would be

4514
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:23,279
very helpful to you. I don't know what

4515
03:03:23,279 --> 03:03:25,279
it's going to cost. Um and that person

4516
03:03:25,279 --> 03:03:26,800
might come forward and then say, "Hey,

4517
03:03:26,800 --> 03:03:28,960
based on what we know, yeah, we should

4518
03:03:28,960 --> 03:03:32,560
have slightly more robust uh audit or uh

4519
03:03:32,560 --> 03:03:36,319
a bigger sample size or um or whatever

4520
03:03:36,319 --> 03:03:37,439
those things are. I don't even know if

4521
03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:39,200
that person truly exists. Honestly, I

4522
03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:41,600
haven't heard of that position before um

4523
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:43,840
before tonight, but maybe we could look

4524
03:03:43,840 --> 03:03:45,600
see if that position is around." So I am

4525
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:48,720
in that camp uh as a reasonable next

4526
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:53,120
step. Um and I've got frankly it's

4527
03:03:53,120 --> 03:03:55,600
despite all of this uh a very very short

4528
03:03:55,600 --> 03:03:57,200
leash

4529
03:03:57,200 --> 03:03:59,600
uh

4530
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:01,760
on this whole thing. Uh it wouldn't take

4531
03:04:01,760 --> 03:04:05,040
much more frankly to push me over. Um

4532
03:04:05,040 --> 03:04:09,600
but at this point I'm holding ground. So

4533
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:12,160
uh I will say where we are and then ask

4534
03:04:12,160 --> 03:04:13,840
for further deliberation. But where we

4535
03:04:13,840 --> 03:04:16,160
are is we've got uh four votes for

4536
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:18,160
sheriff's directly reporting to council

4537
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:21,840
going forward and we have three votes on

4538
03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:24,960
uh finding a third party auditor to uh

4539
03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:26,880
searching and going through a process to

4540
03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:29,279
see if that's viable or not. Every other

4541
03:04:29,279 --> 03:04:32,160
proposal fails uh but we are still open

4542
03:04:32,160 --> 03:04:34,000
for deliberation

4543
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:36,000
if there are any further thoughts or

4544
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:40,389
comments on any of it.

4545
03:04:40,399 --> 03:04:42,319
Okay, seeing none, I think we're going

4546
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:43,920
to we need to call for a vote here

4547
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:45,680
because we have some future direction.

4548
03:04:45,680 --> 03:04:48,160
So, uh, we'll call for a vote to accept

4549
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:49,439
the report with the direction to

4550
03:04:49,439 --> 03:04:50,720
reinstate a direct reporting

4551
03:04:50,720 --> 03:04:52,399
relationship to the sheriff's and

4552
03:04:52,399 --> 03:04:54,479
>> sorry

4553
03:04:54,479 --> 03:04:58,880
because I would like to different ways.

4554
03:04:58,880 --> 03:05:00,560
>> Do you maybe vote on accepting the

4555
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:01,520
report and then

4556
03:05:01,520 --> 03:05:02,960
>> each of the future directions?

4557
03:05:02,960 --> 03:05:03,439
>> Yeah,

4558
03:05:03,439 --> 03:05:05,920
>> understood. Uh, excellent suggestion.

4559
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:07,840
Thank you. Okay, we need a motion to

4560
03:05:07,840 --> 03:05:10,720
accept the report.

4561
03:05:10,720 --> 03:05:13,840
>> I'll I'll move to accept a resolution of

4562
03:05:13,840 --> 03:05:15,920
the town council

4563
03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:18,479
uh of the town of Woodside requesting

4564
03:05:18,479 --> 03:05:19,760
the California Department of

4565
03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:22,479
Transportation Trans Oh, sorry. I'm on

4566
03:05:22,479 --> 03:05:25,439
the wrong

4567
03:05:25,439 --> 03:05:26,800
>> old business there.

4568
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:28,000
>> Just quarterly and

4569
03:05:28,000 --> 03:05:31,359
>> sorry. I uh move to accept a quarterly

4570
03:05:31,359 --> 03:05:34,080
and annual report on automated license

4571
03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:37,520
plate readers ALRPS.

4572
03:05:37,520 --> 03:05:38,880
>> I'll second that.

4573
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:40,160
>> Council member Alberish.

4574
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:40,479
>> Yes.

4575
03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:41,520
>> Council member Brown.

4576
03:05:41,520 --> 03:05:41,840
>> Yes.

4577
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:43,359
>> Council member Gold.

4578
03:05:43,359 --> 03:05:45,359
>> Council member Wall.

4579
03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:46,640
>> Mayor Donowski.

4580
03:05:46,640 --> 03:05:49,359
>> Yes. Uh in terms of future direction to

4581
03:05:49,359 --> 03:05:51,359
reinstate direct a direct reporting

4582
03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:52,800
relationship with the sheriff's to the

4583
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:54,800
council,

4584
03:05:54,800 --> 03:05:58,240
we have a motion on that. You want?

4585
03:05:58,240 --> 03:05:59,279
>> Yeah.

4586
03:05:59,279 --> 03:06:02,560
>> We need to get I we Yes, I do.

4587
03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:03,359
>> Okay.

4588
03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:04,800
>> Second.

4589
03:06:04,800 --> 03:06:06,160
>> Council member Alberish.

4590
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:06,560
>> Yes.

4591
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:07,680
>> Council member Brown.

4592
03:06:07,680 --> 03:06:08,080
>> Yes.

4593
03:06:08,080 --> 03:06:09,920
>> Council member Gold.

4594
03:06:09,920 --> 03:06:12,560
>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donowski.

4595
03:06:12,560 --> 03:06:16,560
>> Yes. and in the hunt to give guidance to

4596
03:06:16,560 --> 03:06:18,319
staff to start a search for a

4597
03:06:18,319 --> 03:06:20,479
third-party

4598
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:24,319
audit uh capability uh to be brought

4599
03:06:24,319 --> 03:06:27,840
into this to help us uh continue to have

4600
03:06:27,840 --> 03:06:29,840
good governance and oversight and

4601
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:31,359
supervision.

4602
03:06:31,359 --> 03:06:32,880
I don't know if I botched that or not.

4603
03:06:32,880 --> 03:06:35,760
Is that close enough? Okay. Need a

4604
03:06:35,760 --> 03:06:38,160
motion on that.

4605
03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:39,920
Thank you. Second. Any second.

4606
03:06:39,920 --> 03:06:40,880
>> Thank you,

4607
03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:42,160
>> Council Member Aubberish.

4608
03:06:42,160 --> 03:06:43,520
>> Yes. Council member Brown.

4609
03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:44,080
>> No.

4610
03:06:44,080 --> 03:06:46,479
>> Council member Gold. Council member

4611
03:06:46,479 --> 03:06:49,040
Wall. Mayor Donowski.

4612
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:51,359
>> Yes.

4613
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:56,720
Okay. Uh that concludes the topic. Uh a

4614
03:06:56,720 --> 03:06:58,160
if you can believe it. I want to just

4615
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:02,000
thank our sheriffs for being here and um

4616
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:03,760
obviously the representative from Flax

4617
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:05,760
Safety and of course all of the comments

4618
03:07:05,760 --> 03:07:07,439
from the public uh in terms of input

4619
03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:09,840
this evening. Thank you.

4620
03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:11,040
And we're going to take a three-minut

4621
03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:15,590
break. Thank you.

4622
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:18,479
Bring the our council members back to

4623
03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:29,030
the dis.

4624
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:32,240
Okay, moving on to new business. Item B,

4625
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:36,319
a resolution uh on up at four corners on

4626
03:07:36,319 --> 03:07:38,000
speed limits. So, I'll hand it off to

4627
03:07:38,000 --> 03:07:42,880
you, Jason, uh, to introduce the topic.

4628
03:07:42,880 --> 03:07:44,240
>> Yeah, I'll introduce it and then I'll

4629
03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:46,000
kick it over to the town engineer.

4630
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:47,920
Ultimately, this is one that I got

4631
03:07:47,920 --> 03:07:50,080
involved in before the town engineer was

4632
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:54,080
on uh, staff. And so, I was contacted

4633
03:07:54,080 --> 03:07:58,000
uh, by the ownership group of Alyses and

4634
03:07:58,000 --> 03:08:01,760
some in um, engaged uh, members of the

4635
03:08:01,760 --> 03:08:03,680
public that frequent Alyses and live in

4636
03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:06,080
the surrounding area. And based off of

4637
03:08:06,080 --> 03:08:08,240
the bicycle accident, the death that

4638
03:08:08,240 --> 03:08:11,120
transpired there over the summertime,

4639
03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:13,359
uh, we instigated a meeting with Calrans

4640
03:08:13,359 --> 03:08:15,040
and Calrans has come forward with a

4641
03:08:15,040 --> 03:08:17,279
proposal, a proposed project that would

4642
03:08:17,279 --> 03:08:20,080
put two stop signs at that intersection,

4643
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:22,560
making it a four-way stop sign. And

4644
03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:24,560
there's concern from the public

4645
03:08:24,560 --> 03:08:27,680
currently that it's 40 miles per hour

4646
03:08:27,680 --> 03:08:30,000
coming into that intersection and that

4647
03:08:30,000 --> 03:08:32,399
they want to be very clear to CALR that

4648
03:08:32,399 --> 03:08:34,160
they want to drop that speed because

4649
03:08:34,160 --> 03:08:36,240
they are fearful of the safety of people

4650
03:08:36,240 --> 03:08:38,080
approaching a four-way stop being

4651
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:41,120
unaware of it. And so we should have

4652
03:08:41,120 --> 03:08:44,479
Andy, I believe, online this evening. Is

4653
03:08:44,479 --> 03:08:48,080
he uh available online? And then uh

4654
03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:49,760
Lewis, do you have anything to add on

4655
03:08:49,760 --> 03:08:51,760
this particular one?

4656
03:08:51,760 --> 03:08:54,000
Um just a little bit. Uh thank you town

4657
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:56,160
manager. So the town also received a

4658
03:08:56,160 --> 03:08:58,880
petition signed by 543

4659
03:08:58,880 --> 03:09:01,120
people asking the town council to adopt

4660
03:09:01,120 --> 03:09:04,319
a resolution um to requesting CALR for

4661
03:09:04,319 --> 03:09:08,479
this speed zone reduction. Um and it is

4662
03:09:08,479 --> 03:09:12,399
also um you know establishment

4663
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:15,520
of this 25 miles per hour speed limit on

4664
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:17,760
this section of the state highway. Um,

4665
03:09:17,760 --> 03:09:19,600
and it will definitely help improve

4666
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:22,160
safety for motorists, bicyclists, and

4667
03:09:22,160 --> 03:09:25,120
pedestrians.

4668
03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:29,429
>> Thank you. Any questions for staff?

4669
03:09:29,439 --> 03:09:33,840
» Seeing none. Any comments from public?

4670
03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:39,349
David

4671
03:09:39,359 --> 03:09:41,040
» David Middleman. I live about a mile

4672
03:09:41,040 --> 03:09:43,520
away from Alys's or less. Can't

4673
03:09:43,520 --> 03:09:46,240
remember. Um, I remember when this

4674
03:09:46,240 --> 03:09:47,760
incident happened. I remember coming in

4675
03:09:47,760 --> 03:09:50,080
angry about it and talking to you guys

4676
03:09:50,080 --> 03:09:55,439
about it. The speed limit is request I

4677
03:09:55,439 --> 03:09:57,040
feel like I could speak for the the

4678
03:09:57,040 --> 03:09:59,680
community is

4679
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:02,720
kind of the minimum we feel that we can

4680
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:05,600
get out of this. You know, the stop

4681
03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,399
signs are ignored when people are racing

4682
03:10:08,399 --> 03:10:11,439
on 35. Speed limits are suggestion on

4683
03:10:11,439 --> 03:10:14,720
35. And what really needs to be done is

4684
03:10:14,720 --> 03:10:19,439
a traffic study and a redesign of that

4685
03:10:19,439 --> 03:10:21,279
area, which Calran said they were going

4686
03:10:21,279 --> 03:10:24,080
to do, but not in a way that was

4687
03:10:24,080 --> 03:10:26,479
amicable to anybody listening. It

4688
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:28,399
involved getting rid of the island

4689
03:10:28,399 --> 03:10:31,279
that's currently there, cutting down 25

4690
03:10:31,279 --> 03:10:34,000
mature redwood trees, changing the

4691
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:40,720
entire character of that area of town.

4692
03:10:40,720 --> 03:10:46,080
the solution that was self-generated by

4693
03:10:46,080 --> 03:10:49,200
the community but ignored that I believe

4694
03:10:49,200 --> 03:10:52,080
Steve Luben also studied was the idea of

4695
03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:56,080
a roundabout and so I respectfully ask

4696
03:10:56,080 --> 03:10:58,479
part of this resolution you also asked

4697
03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:02,319
Calr Calrans to investigate a roundabout

4698
03:11:02,319 --> 03:11:04,479
versus just stopping at a stop sign and

4699
03:11:04,479 --> 03:11:09,750
lights. Thank you.

4700
03:11:09,760 --> 03:11:11,279
If

4701
03:11:11,279 --> 03:11:14,160
>> any other public comments on new

4702
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:19,030
business item E

4703
03:11:19,040 --> 03:11:20,880
see none in the room and none in the

4704
03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:23,279
Zoom, uh we will close public comment.

4705
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:27,670
Any deliberations from councel?

4706
03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:29,200
» I think this makes all the sense in the

4707
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:32,399
world. I mean, that's it's a speedway up

4708
03:11:32,399 --> 03:11:36,399
there, and we got to give the sheriff,

4709
03:11:36,399 --> 03:11:38,640
Cal, everybody that tries to police up

4710
03:11:38,640 --> 03:11:40,640
there some tools that they can use to

4711
03:11:40,640 --> 03:11:43,359
try to slow everybody down.

4712
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:46,240
It's going to save lives.

4713
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:47,760
>> Yeah,

4714
03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:49,279
that's over.

4715
03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:51,120
>> Uh, so I live about a half a mile from

4716
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:53,600
this intersection and um and I would

4717
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:55,200
agree. I I don't know a single person

4718
03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:58,319
who would not be in favor of this. Um,

4719
03:11:58,319 --> 03:11:59,760
you know, it's a it's very dangerous

4720
03:11:59,760 --> 03:12:01,840
anytime you have to cross over. Um,

4721
03:12:01,840 --> 03:12:04,960
especially where where there's no stop

4722
03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:07,040
signs and yet I know they're coming, but

4723
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:09,439
I don't know when. But, uh, but people

4724
03:12:09,439 --> 03:12:10,479
will come flying down. You know, when

4725
03:12:10,479 --> 03:12:12,880
the speed limit's 35, they'll go 50. I

4726
03:12:12,880 --> 03:12:14,720
don't know what they do, but um, and

4727
03:12:14,720 --> 03:12:17,439
obviously it's dangerous. And I assuming

4728
03:12:17,439 --> 03:12:18,640
there's not going to be any opposition

4729
03:12:18,640 --> 03:12:20,720
to this, so I'll keep this short, but

4730
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:23,439
um, yeah. So, I think full fullheartedly

4731
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:24,640
support this.

4732
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:27,920
>> Thank you. Any other comments?

4733
03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:29,760
Yeah, I'll just add that we're in a

4734
03:12:29,760 --> 03:12:31,600
position of advocacy here and this is

4735
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:34,560
our way to do our part and I think this

4736
03:12:34,560 --> 03:12:36,960
speed limit reduction uh request makes a

4737
03:12:36,960 --> 03:12:40,479
lot of sense. Uh

4738
03:12:40,479 --> 03:12:42,720
and that's all I have to say. So, do we

4739
03:12:42,720 --> 03:12:44,000
have a motion? Would you like to make a

4740
03:12:44,000 --> 03:12:45,279
motion? It's your district, of course.

4741
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:46,399
>> Thank you. Yes.

4742
03:12:46,399 --> 03:12:50,479
>> This time in order. Um, I'd like to uh

4743
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:52,800
make a motion to pass a resolution of

4744
03:12:52,800 --> 03:12:54,560
the town council of the town of Woodside

4745
03:12:54,560 --> 03:12:56,080
requesting the California Department of

4746
03:12:56,080 --> 03:12:59,680
Transportation, CALR, to establish a 25

4747
03:12:59,680 --> 03:13:02,880
mph speed limit 500 yards from the

4748
03:13:02,880 --> 03:13:05,600
intersection of State Highway 84 and

4749
03:13:05,600 --> 03:13:09,429
State Highway 35.

4750
03:13:09,439 --> 03:13:10,640
» Council member Aubberish.

4751
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:10,960
>> Yes.

4752
03:13:10,960 --> 03:13:12,960
>> Council member W. Sorry, Brown.

4753
03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:14,880
>> Yes. Council member Gold. Yes. Council

4754
03:13:14,880 --> 03:13:17,359
member Wall. Mayor Donkowski.

4755
03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:21,200
>> Yes. Thank you. We'll close item B and

4756
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:24,560
move on to C. A request to establish a

4757
03:13:24,560 --> 03:13:27,279
15 mph speed limit within 500 ft of

4758
03:13:27,279 --> 03:13:29,040
Woodside Elm.

4759
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:31,600
>> Yeah, this is the town manager and uh

4760
03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:33,920
just to state that um I normally won't

4761
03:13:33,920 --> 03:13:35,520
steal the thunder of the town engineer

4762
03:13:35,520 --> 03:13:37,279
on these items moving forward, but I'm

4763
03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:39,040
just connected to them because they

4764
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:41,600
transcend his uh start date with us. And

4765
03:13:41,600 --> 03:13:45,520
so uh before I started the circulation

4766
03:13:45,520 --> 03:13:49,040
committee had voted on this request and

4767
03:13:49,040 --> 03:13:51,840
had talked about it after I began and

4768
03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:53,840
ultimately a request came in from the

4769
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:55,840
chair who is here today to speak about

4770
03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:59,520
this item. Uh the request has been made

4771
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:02,239
to drop the speed limit from its current

4772
03:14:02,239 --> 03:14:05,920
25 during school hours to the flashing

4773
03:14:05,920 --> 03:14:09,439
15 mph speed zone. This is something

4774
03:14:09,439 --> 03:14:10,880
that is happening in the state of

4775
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:14,239
California, specifically in San Mateo

4776
03:14:14,239 --> 03:14:16,800
and on the peninsula all around us. This

4777
03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:19,359
is a a normal action that is currently

4778
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:21,760
being taken. And then ultimately, we've

4779
03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:24,479
had interest from the school uh to see

4780
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:27,120
an action like this as well. And so

4781
03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:28,960
without further ado, I think if the

4782
03:14:28,960 --> 03:14:30,720
chair from the circulation committee had

4783
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:34,800
any more comment on this item.

4784
03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:37,600
>> Uh yeah, thank you Jason. Yeah. So, um,

4785
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:39,439
so we look at speed trail trailer data

4786
03:14:39,439 --> 03:14:41,040
and we've had trailers out there for a

4787
03:14:41,040 --> 03:14:42,239
couple different times and I think the

4788
03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:44,880
thing we've noticed is there's a lot of

4789
03:14:44,880 --> 03:14:46,960
cars going above 25. Like a decent

4790
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:49,200
amount, right? Not all of them um but a

4791
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:51,200
decent amount go above 25 even during

4792
03:14:51,200 --> 03:14:53,520
the window of you know 8 a.m. 9:00 a.m.

4793
03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:56,800
2 3 4 p.m. And the other thing we've uh

4794
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:58,640
observed is you know coming from this

4795
03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:00,080
direction to the school you know there's

4796
03:15:00,080 --> 03:15:02,160
the town center there's bucks there's

4797
03:15:02,160 --> 03:15:03,920
enough kind of visual noise but coming

4798
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:05,600
the other way from the you know mountain

4799
03:15:05,600 --> 03:15:07,760
side you don't actually know there's a

4800
03:15:07,760 --> 03:15:08,960
school there unless you live here and

4801
03:15:08,960 --> 03:15:11,279
you're aware of the location. Um and so

4802
03:15:11,279 --> 03:15:12,720
it's really it's an awareness thing too.

4803
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:14,080
You see you know there's homes there's

4804
03:15:14,080 --> 03:15:15,200
the tennis court wall and all of a

4805
03:15:15,200 --> 03:15:16,960
sudden you're on the school. So, it's

4806
03:15:16,960 --> 03:15:18,880
hard for people to be aware that, hey,

4807
03:15:18,880 --> 03:15:20,560
there's something coming. Um, I've stood

4808
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:22,479
out there at various times with uh other

4809
03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:23,680
parents and folks and people, some

4810
03:15:23,680 --> 03:15:24,800
people speed there pretty quickly and

4811
03:15:24,800 --> 03:15:26,160
it's just like this is a narrow area.

4812
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:28,399
Why are you doing this? Um, but really

4813
03:15:28,399 --> 03:15:30,160
what it came down to was the speed

4814
03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:33,120
trailer data was just excessive for in

4815
03:15:33,120 --> 03:15:35,279
school zones. Um, it's a small area. I

4816
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:36,800
think the whole thing is 7 or 800 feet

4817
03:15:36,800 --> 03:15:39,200
long. Um, I think the key distinction is

4818
03:15:39,200 --> 03:15:40,640
it's during school hours or whatever the

4819
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:42,239
again the statutory language based on

4820
03:15:42,239 --> 03:15:44,080
the California law for when it applies.

4821
03:15:44,080 --> 03:15:45,120
So, it's not all the time. it's, you

4822
03:15:45,120 --> 03:15:46,960
know, when kids are in school basically.

4823
03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:49,120
Um, and I think really the goal isn't to

4824
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:51,040
make everyone go 15 or 14 miles an hour.

4825
03:15:51,040 --> 03:15:52,720
It's to maybe get them down to 25 from

4826
03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:54,880
the 3540 that they're doing, you know,

4827
03:15:54,880 --> 03:15:56,080
when they really shouldn't be in that

4828
03:15:56,080 --> 03:15:57,760
area. So, I think that that was the

4829
03:15:57,760 --> 03:15:59,920
motivation for us. Um, I also personally

4830
03:15:59,920 --> 03:16:01,439
don't think it needs to be 500 feet in

4831
03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:03,760
each direction. I think maybe library to

4832
03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:06,399
tennis court would be a reasonable area.

4833
03:16:06,399 --> 03:16:08,560
Uh, because again, it's it's not a, you

4834
03:16:08,560 --> 03:16:09,920
know, it's not it's not some it's not a

4835
03:16:09,920 --> 03:16:10,960
drag net that's going to slow somebody

4836
03:16:10,960 --> 03:16:12,640
down. It's it's a speed limit. And it

4837
03:16:12,640 --> 03:16:14,880
also gives the sheriff's tools to, you

4838
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:16,160
know, enforce it because I think

4839
03:16:16,160 --> 03:16:17,200
generally from what they've told us in

4840
03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:18,479
the past, unless someone's 10 or 15

4841
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:19,760
over, they don't write citations, which

4842
03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:21,439
is understandable. So here, somebody

4843
03:16:21,439 --> 03:16:24,000
doing 30 is 15 over and they definitely

4844
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:25,520
deserve a citation again during school

4845
03:16:25,520 --> 03:16:27,359
hours. So, um, the last thing I'll add,

4846
03:16:27,359 --> 03:16:28,880
and I think Jason, you had this in your

4847
03:16:28,880 --> 03:16:30,800
email, for some reason in the past few

4848
03:16:30,800 --> 03:16:32,800
weeks, there's been a number of near

4849
03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:34,000
misses right in front of the school.

4850
03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:35,359
I've seen video. In fact, I saw one

4851
03:16:35,359 --> 03:16:37,120
happening in front of me two days ago on

4852
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:39,120
Monday morning where somebody swerved

4853
03:16:39,120 --> 03:16:40,239
into the church parking lot and almost

4854
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:41,920
took out two girls on bicycles that I

4855
03:16:41,920 --> 03:16:43,200
see riding a school every single day and

4856
03:16:43,200 --> 03:16:45,200
they had to swerve to a stop. So, I

4857
03:16:45,200 --> 03:16:46,319
think that whole area needs to the

4858
03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:47,520
sheriffs have been there. I think

4859
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:49,200
circulation is going to look at it from

4860
03:16:49,200 --> 03:16:51,359
what other things we can do uh for that

4861
03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:52,800
area. Obviously, it's Calran, so it's

4862
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:54,479
going to need suggestions, but I think

4863
03:16:54,479 --> 03:16:56,960
this is a nice first step. The lights,

4864
03:16:56,960 --> 03:16:58,479
the speed limit reduction, just again,

4865
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:02,239
you're in a school zone, slow down. Um

4866
03:17:02,239 --> 03:17:04,000
yeah, I guess that's my thing. Any

4867
03:17:04,000 --> 03:17:05,040
questions on maybe what we've

4868
03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:06,960
deliberated or anything like that?

4869
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:07,439
>> Okay.

4870
03:17:07,439 --> 03:17:11,359
>> Were there um I guess my question is,

4871
03:17:11,359 --> 03:17:12,479
you know, sometimes when there's a

4872
03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:15,279
behavioral issue, it's really can be

4873
03:17:15,279 --> 03:17:17,120
handled by enforcement.

4874
03:17:17,120 --> 03:17:19,680
>> Uh I don't know if that was talked about

4875
03:17:19,680 --> 03:17:22,479
or or if it just was straight to the

4876
03:17:22,479 --> 03:17:23,040
limit.

4877
03:17:23,040 --> 03:17:24,560
>> Yeah, we've talked about it. I think the

4878
03:17:24,560 --> 03:17:26,399
challenge lies in and you know this all

4879
03:17:26,399 --> 03:17:27,920
too well. We talked about it extensively

4880
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:29,600
tonight. you know, there's two sheriffs

4881
03:17:29,600 --> 03:17:31,680
usually on two deputies in town at, you

4882
03:17:31,680 --> 03:17:33,040
know, any even time. They've been at the

4883
03:17:33,040 --> 03:17:34,319
school, both both of them recently,

4884
03:17:34,319 --> 03:17:35,760
which we appreciate.

4885
03:17:35,760 --> 03:17:38,640
>> Um, I think it's just if they're not

4886
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:40,080
there, it's not going to happen. The

4887
03:17:40,080 --> 03:17:42,080
other statistic that I will share is one

4888
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:43,680
statistic we've asked, I know Council

4889
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:46,239
Member Brown knows this, when we get uh

4890
03:17:46,239 --> 03:17:48,319
our reports from the sheriffs on the

4891
03:17:48,319 --> 03:17:50,239
citations each month, what percentage

4892
03:17:50,239 --> 03:17:52,399
are addresses outside of Woodside? And

4893
03:17:52,399 --> 03:17:56,319
it is almost exactly 75% every month. So

4894
03:17:56,319 --> 03:17:58,960
that mean 75% are outside Woodside. So

4895
03:17:58,960 --> 03:18:00,720
they're not Woodside residents, which

4896
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:02,080
means they're not part of our community.

4897
03:18:02,080 --> 03:18:03,359
Maybe they don't know they are, they

4898
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:05,520
don't care, whatever it is. It's, you

4899
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:07,520
know, people who probably care less than

4900
03:18:07,520 --> 03:18:08,720
everyone in this room and the people who

4901
03:18:08,720 --> 03:18:10,960
live here. Uh, shame on the 25% to get

4902
03:18:10,960 --> 03:18:12,000
them here, but that's different

4903
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:14,239
discussion. And so I think that tells me

4904
03:18:14,239 --> 03:18:15,359
that it's an awareness thing. If that

4905
03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:16,800
number was coming down over time or was

4906
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:18,080
changing, you know, the number of

4907
03:18:18,080 --> 03:18:19,920
recitations stays sort of constant. That

4908
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:21,680
percentage stays constant. So we just

4909
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:23,359
need awareness. We need enforcement, but

4910
03:18:23,359 --> 03:18:26,080
I think you need all of them. Um, and I

4911
03:18:26,080 --> 03:18:27,200
think, you know, I know there's concerns

4912
03:18:27,200 --> 03:18:28,880
about, you know, the speed going through

4913
03:18:28,880 --> 03:18:30,080
there, how much it might slow things

4914
03:18:30,080 --> 03:18:31,439
down. I think the traffic really is just

4915
03:18:31,439 --> 03:18:32,720
some people pulling in and out of the

4916
03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:33,760
school, which sometimes there's some

4917
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:35,120
silly things that happen to literally

4918
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:37,680
relock the whole thing. But I don't

4919
03:18:37,680 --> 03:18:40,399
think slowing down that little section,

4920
03:18:40,399 --> 03:18:41,840
you know, if you did the whole 500 ft,

4921
03:18:41,840 --> 03:18:43,359
it might be a little bit too much, but

4922
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:44,479
that little section in front of the

4923
03:18:44,479 --> 03:18:46,319
school, dropping it, again, if you if

4924
03:18:46,319 --> 03:18:47,439
you're doing 20, the sheriff's not going

4925
03:18:47,439 --> 03:18:48,479
to give you a citation. I could just

4926
03:18:48,479 --> 03:18:50,319
tell you that right now. Um, if you're

4927
03:18:50,319 --> 03:18:52,000
doing 30, then you probably will get

4928
03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:53,359
one. So, I don't think it'll cause

4929
03:18:53,359 --> 03:18:55,120
traffic. Obviously, I assume Calrans do

4930
03:18:55,120 --> 03:18:56,800
a traffic study before they implement

4931
03:18:56,800 --> 03:18:58,880
anything. But, um, we've looked at the

4932
03:18:58,880 --> 03:19:00,000
options and the sheriffs haven't they

4933
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:00,880
haven't say, "Oh, yeah, we'll just take

4934
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:03,359
it everyone who goes 26." Like, that's

4935
03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:04,560
not something they can commit to and we

4936
03:19:04,560 --> 03:19:06,000
know realistically that's not possible.

4937
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:07,040
So,

4938
03:19:07,040 --> 03:19:08,640
>> your your last comment interesting too.

4939
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:10,080
I was one of the things I was a little

4940
03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:12,239
bit concerned about is traffic backup

4941
03:19:12,239 --> 03:19:14,080
and maybe some unintended consequences

4942
03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:16,160
at Kinata or all the way up to Pioneer.

4943
03:19:16,160 --> 03:19:18,080
It's already as we know in the mornings

4944
03:19:18,080 --> 03:19:20,800
it's the speed limit's already like 5

4945
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:22,239
miles an hour in the morning.

4946
03:19:22,239 --> 03:19:24,080
>> Um

4947
03:19:24,080 --> 03:19:27,040
the idea of any sort of uh doing like a

4948
03:19:27,040 --> 03:19:29,040
trial period or where we can do an

4949
03:19:29,040 --> 03:19:31,760
observable uh what what actually happens

4950
03:19:31,760 --> 03:19:33,760
do people start sneaking around in the

4951
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:36,239
on Manuela and Olive Hill to sort of get

4952
03:19:36,239 --> 03:19:41,120
around it or I mean I'm not sure what we don't know I guess uh when you do something

4953
03:19:41,120 --> 03:19:42,399
>> you mean if there's backups. Yeah,

4954
03:19:42,399 --> 03:19:44,399
backups and traffic patterns. And it's

4955
03:19:44,399 --> 03:19:46,080
the idea of a traffic study, but an

4956
03:19:46,080 --> 03:19:48,000
observable traffic study that we would

4957
03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:49,520
actually be able to

4958
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:51,920
>> witness and and understand that

4959
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:53,279
>> make sure we're not solving a problem

4960
03:19:53,279 --> 03:19:55,040
one place and creating it in another.

4961
03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:56,880
>> Um, is that something that you think is

4962
03:19:56,880 --> 03:19:59,200
viable or or you want us to just proceed

4963
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:00,720
full-on resolution to

4964
03:20:00,720 --> 03:20:02,880
>> I mean, I'd ask the town engineer like,

4965
03:20:02,880 --> 03:20:04,080
can you temporarily change a speed

4966
03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:04,560
limit?

4967
03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:06,000
>> We do a trial speed limit or no?

4968
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:07,040
>> Is that even possible?

4969
03:20:07,040 --> 03:20:09,200
>> I don't even know. on a state highway.

4970
03:20:09,200 --> 03:20:11,439
>> We would definitely need Calrans to

4971
03:20:11,439 --> 03:20:12,560
weigh in on that.

4972
03:20:12,560 --> 03:20:13,120
>> Yeah.

4973
03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:13,680
>> Okay.

4974
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:15,279
>> I know. Well, there was one example. So,

4975
03:20:15,279 --> 03:20:17,279
I think it was was it two years ago when

4976
03:20:17,279 --> 03:20:18,720
they were doing the storm drain next to

4977
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:21,680
Bucks where they started like literally

4978
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:23,600
they would start at like 8 a.m. I don't

4979
03:20:23,600 --> 03:20:24,720
think some of you weren't here for that,

4980
03:20:24,720 --> 03:20:26,160
but they started at 8 a.m. They started

4981
03:20:26,160 --> 03:20:27,680
like the week school started and they

4982
03:20:27,680 --> 03:20:29,840
would close a lane if you wanted to see

4983
03:20:29,840 --> 03:20:31,920
a disaster. I mean, I actually fell in

4984
03:20:31,920 --> 03:20:33,680
behind you the other day, uh, mayor, on

4985
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:34,960
the way. I was was leaving the school. I

4986
03:20:34,960 --> 03:20:35,520
was

4987
03:20:35,520 --> 03:20:36,640
>> driving all right. Was

4988
03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:38,000
>> fine. Okay. Okay.

4989
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:38,880
>> No, no problem.

4990
03:20:38,880 --> 03:20:39,439
>> Oh, thank you.

4991
03:20:39,439 --> 03:20:40,800
>> Um, there's too much traffic doing.

4992
03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:41,760
>> Thanks for adding that to the public

4993
03:20:41,760 --> 03:20:42,160
comment.

4994
03:20:42,160 --> 03:20:43,680
>> You're wonderful.

4995
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:45,520
>> Um, but that was a disaster because it

4996
03:20:45,520 --> 03:20:47,040
was literally blocking a lane right

4997
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:48,640
during drop off and Calrans refused to

4998
03:20:48,640 --> 03:20:50,239
do it any other time. Then people were

4999
03:20:50,239 --> 03:20:52,960
using Manuela Al the back roads.

5000
03:20:52,960 --> 03:20:55,520
>> Um, but I think I used it as well

5001
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:57,680
because I live near there and I would

5002
03:20:57,680 --> 03:20:59,120
drive the speed limit. I wouldn't speed.

5003
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:01,120
But unless the thing was completely

5004
03:21:01,120 --> 03:21:03,520
stopped, that route is not faster. So, I

5005
03:21:03,520 --> 03:21:04,640
think it's only if you are literally

5006
03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:06,239
like staring at a, you know, excavator

5007
03:21:06,239 --> 03:21:07,600
un getting unloaded in front of you for

5008
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:08,960
the next 10 minutes that it would make

5009
03:21:08,960 --> 03:21:11,439
sense to go around. Um, otherwise kind

5010
03:21:11,439 --> 03:21:13,040
of the stop sign traffic, at least in my

5011
03:21:13,040 --> 03:21:14,080
personal opinion, driving through there

5012
03:21:14,080 --> 03:21:16,160
every single morning,

5013
03:21:16,160 --> 03:21:17,359
you know, like you said, the school

5014
03:21:17,359 --> 03:21:18,960
traffic, the the pulling in and out is a

5015
03:21:18,960 --> 03:21:21,279
problem. Not if it's 9:30 a.m. and

5016
03:21:21,279 --> 03:21:22,560
you're just going through there 10 miles

5017
03:21:22,560 --> 03:21:24,080
an hour slower, I don't think it'll be,

5018
03:21:24,080 --> 03:21:25,200
you know, a massive thing. And then

5019
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:26,960
weekends, right? Weekends we see tourist

5020
03:21:26,960 --> 03:21:28,960
traffic. It won't apply weekends because

5021
03:21:28,960 --> 03:21:30,000
kids aren't at school.

5022
03:21:30,000 --> 03:21:33,279
>> Yeah. You know, I I I I tried to drive

5023
03:21:33,279 --> 03:21:35,439
15 miles an hour, 500 feet on either

5024
03:21:35,439 --> 03:21:36,640
side. It is

5025
03:21:36,640 --> 03:21:39,439
>> it is painful. Uh that is a painfully

5026
03:21:39,439 --> 03:21:42,880
slow drive. Um your idea of library to

5027
03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:45,439
tennis court, uh literally property line

5028
03:21:45,439 --> 03:21:47,040
to property line for the school. That's

5029
03:21:47,040 --> 03:21:49,760
is that viable? Um or does it have to be

5030
03:21:49,760 --> 03:21:52,080
by state law 500 feet off each side or

5031
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:52,239
something?

5032
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:54,479
>> I thought it was within

5033
03:21:54,479 --> 03:21:55,760
>> I don't even know. Oh, I mean I just

5034
03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:58,319
it's just it's a very long arc to go 15

5035
03:21:58,319 --> 03:21:59,760
miles an hour and it's and if for

5036
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:01,359
anybody that's living out west of that

5037
03:22:01,359 --> 03:22:03,920
area that is and it's a main artery. A

5038
03:22:03,920 --> 03:22:04,960
lot of constituents

5039
03:22:04,960 --> 03:22:05,359
>> Yep.

5040
03:22:05,359 --> 03:22:07,439
>> use it for other reasons than school

5041
03:22:07,439 --> 03:22:08,239
drop off.

5042
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:09,920
>> I think the school itself when I roughly

5043
03:22:09,920 --> 03:22:12,000
measured it was like 7 or 800 feet. So

5044
03:22:12,000 --> 03:22:14,000
500 each side would be a huge percentage

5045
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:15,680
increase. Yeah. Which is why I said I've

5046
03:22:15,680 --> 03:22:17,840
always I thought the rule was

5047
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:19,840
>> to within 500 feet.

5048
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:22,800
>> I don't think it's absolutely 500 feet.

5049
03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:24,880
So I suspect we can advocate for what

5050
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:26,239
you know again what we think is

5051
03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:28,160
appropriate for that area I think but

5052
03:22:28,160 --> 03:22:30,080
I'm neither a lawyer nor a you know

5053
03:22:30,080 --> 03:22:31,200
licensed engineer.

5054
03:22:31,200 --> 03:22:33,439
>> Yeah. Town engineer is that your

5055
03:22:33,439 --> 03:22:36,720
understanding as well is that uh we we

5056
03:22:36,720 --> 03:22:38,800
ultimately can make that request and

5057
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:41,279
then we can find out from CALR or do you

5058
03:22:41,279 --> 03:22:42,720
happen to know the answer to this

5059
03:22:42,720 --> 03:22:46,479
question as far as the 500 ft? Um, I

5060
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:48,080
know ultimately we can consult with

5061
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:50,640
CALR, but I think it's within the uh

5062
03:22:50,640 --> 03:22:54,080
local district's um authority. So, we

5063
03:22:54,080 --> 03:22:57,840
will check with CALR on that.

5064
03:22:57,840 --> 03:22:59,920
>> Okay. And one last one, I didn't mean to

5065
03:22:59,920 --> 03:23:02,160
dominate, but um I don't know if that's

5066
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:07,439
possible tonight. I think uh um uh TCAP

5067
03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:09,279
uh there's sort of a global approach

5068
03:23:09,279 --> 03:23:11,200
that's happening here with circulation

5069
03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:13,840
and um traffic calming and all sorts of

5070
03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:16,960
things. Um this is I'm assuming part of

5071
03:23:16,960 --> 03:23:18,880
the jurisdiction of what TCAP is

5072
03:23:18,880 --> 03:23:20,960
considering and with some global master

5073
03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:22,880
plan. I'm assuming it's coming at some

5074
03:23:22,880 --> 03:23:25,680
point um or out of TCAP that would

5075
03:23:25,680 --> 03:23:27,760
include this area in terms of I'm just

5076
03:23:27,760 --> 03:23:29,439
thinking about oneoff dealing with

5077
03:23:29,439 --> 03:23:30,800
something one-off versus dealing with

5078
03:23:30,800 --> 03:23:33,279
something sort of globally.

5079
03:23:33,279 --> 03:23:35,359
>> Yeah, that is the hope. I think from

5080
03:23:35,359 --> 03:23:37,680
some video footage that we both I think

5081
03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:40,080
have seen uh there's an issue and

5082
03:23:40,080 --> 03:23:42,000
actually I ran into Christina who's also

5083
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:44,880
on circulation today and she was stating

5084
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:47,520
that she really felt like that bike lane

5085
03:23:47,520 --> 03:23:50,720
was allowing the cars uh a location to

5086
03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:53,520
drive into and so there was video that I

5087
03:23:53,520 --> 03:23:56,080
saw recently you have children crossing

5088
03:23:56,080 --> 03:23:58,960
at the crosswalk so naturally cars are

5089
03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:01,120
stopped and some car took it upon

5090
03:24:01,120 --> 03:24:03,359
themselves to cut around all of them and

5091
03:24:03,359 --> 03:24:05,840
try to gun past everybody almost hitting

5092
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:07,279
the children that were crossing the

5093
03:24:07,279 --> 03:24:10,319
crosswalk. And so trafficcoming measures

5094
03:24:10,319 --> 03:24:12,800
that maybe stick a median or there's a

5095
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:15,279
trail there's a there's a path that's

5096
03:24:15,279 --> 03:24:17,600
matching the other side of the p of the

5097
03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:20,720
uh of the road would ultimately make it

5098
03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:23,680
that impossible whereas 15 m hour will

5099
03:24:23,680 --> 03:24:27,040
not have any effect on that level of uh

5100
03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:29,279
concern that we currently have. So yes,

5101
03:24:29,279 --> 03:24:31,680
I think that um that is our expectation

5102
03:24:31,680 --> 03:24:33,840
is through the TECAP we're going to see

5103
03:24:33,840 --> 03:24:36,560
all kinds of traffic calming measures

5104
03:24:36,560 --> 03:24:39,840
that would um also lead to better

5105
03:24:39,840 --> 03:24:42,560
mobility for the pedestrians and the

5106
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:44,800
community.

5107
03:24:44,800 --> 03:24:46,560
>> Any other questions? I mean,

5108
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:49,520
>> yeah, I guess I guess Yeah, I I I would

5109
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:51,840
like to before we jump into something

5110
03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:53,439
like this, I'd like to think that we've

5111
03:24:53,439 --> 03:24:59,279
done a thorough study of I mean, you've talked about some other examples,

5112
03:24:59,279 --> 03:25:00,720
but I'd like to see it perhaps in

5113
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:02,800
writing presented to the council

5114
03:25:02,800 --> 03:25:05,120
>> as here's what we've looked at to slow

5115
03:25:05,120 --> 03:25:07,920
traffic in and create a safer

5116
03:25:07,920 --> 03:25:10,160
environment in front of the school and

5117
03:25:10,160 --> 03:25:11,760
here's what's going on in other other

5118
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:14,000
communities. here's what the technology

5119
03:25:14,000 --> 03:25:16,239
says you can and can't do and here's why

5120
03:25:16,239 --> 03:25:18,960
we recommend this specific action um

5121
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:22,160
instead bank go 15 miles an hour

5122
03:25:22,160 --> 03:25:24,080
>> I don't know if it's gonna fly if it if

5123
03:25:24,080 --> 03:25:26,479
it works great but let's find out where

5124
03:25:26,479 --> 03:25:28,160
it's working and why it's working what

5125
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:30,399
are they doing that maybe we can adopt

5126
03:25:30,399 --> 03:25:32,960
ourselves but that's a big leap for me

5127
03:25:32,960 --> 03:25:35,920
to go this duric on a state highway that

5128
03:25:35,920 --> 03:25:36,640
>> so yeah

5129
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:39,520
>> used by 75% of the people from out of

5130
03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:39,920
town

5131
03:25:39,920 --> 03:25:43,200
>> so your question is could there

5132
03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:45,279
um further work done basically on this.

5133
03:25:45,279 --> 03:25:46,239
Do you think basically

5134
03:25:46,239 --> 03:25:47,920
>> on this on this idea?

5135
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:50,640
>> Yeah, I like the idea, but I don't know

5136
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:52,080
if it's

5137
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:53,439
>> want to make sure

5138
03:25:53,439 --> 03:25:55,600
>> feasible. Really do until I that's why

5139
03:25:55,600 --> 03:25:56,880
I'd like to see some some kind of study

5140
03:25:56,880 --> 03:25:58,800
by the circulation committee. Maybe

5141
03:25:58,800 --> 03:26:01,520
along the lines of what was done on uh

5142
03:26:01,520 --> 03:26:03,279
some of the work that was done east of

5143
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:04,319
uh 280.

5144
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:05,600
>> I don't mean to cut you off, but we

5145
03:26:05,600 --> 03:26:06,960
can't we don't I just want to make sure

5146
03:26:06,960 --> 03:26:08,720
we don't deliberate quite yet. I

5147
03:26:08,720 --> 03:26:09,680
>> She going to cut me off. Okay.

5148
03:26:09,680 --> 03:26:11,040
>> Yeah, I don't mean to cut you off. You

5149
03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:13,600
know that. Um, any other questions

5150
03:26:13,600 --> 03:26:16,399
before we go to public comment?

5151
03:26:16,399 --> 03:26:17,439
Okay. Thank you.

5152
03:26:17,439 --> 03:26:18,399
>> Thank you.

5153
03:26:18,399 --> 03:26:21,520
>> Public comment. Uh, David, we got one in

5154
03:26:21,520 --> 03:26:23,200
the room. Okay. And then we'll go to the

5155
03:26:23,200 --> 03:26:25,600
Zoom.

5156
03:26:25,600 --> 03:26:27,200
>> You posed a question. I wanted to offer

5157
03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:29,359
some anecdotal evidence about how this

5158
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:30,960
would affect people that live west of

5159
03:26:30,960 --> 03:26:33,520
town. One of the things I noticed when I

5160
03:26:33,520 --> 03:26:36,560
moved to the mountain nine years ago was

5161
03:26:36,560 --> 03:26:39,439
that when I was coming when I when I'm

5162
03:26:39,439 --> 03:26:42,399
going north on 280 to the city or coming

5163
03:26:42,399 --> 03:26:46,960
back that it's equate time to get off at

5164
03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:50,239
uh Woodside Road or Sand Hill Road in

5165
03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:52,319
terms of going home and that's probably

5166
03:26:52,319 --> 03:26:54,880
because of the speed limits and what I

5167
03:26:54,880 --> 03:26:57,680
can currently do. And so in terms of how

5168
03:26:57,680 --> 03:26:59,359
to change traffic patterns, at least

5169
03:26:59,359 --> 03:27:01,920
anecdotally, if you were to drop it down

5170
03:27:01,920 --> 03:27:04,160
at the school for

5171
03:27:04,160 --> 03:27:06,399
unknown how far, right, make that

5172
03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:09,120
longer, you might shift that traffic to

5173
03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:11,040
San Hill. So that's all I wanted to

5174
03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:14,160
offer anecdotally.

5175
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:16,560
>> Thank you. U we'll go to the Zoom room.

5176
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:24,710
Christina Warren,

5177
03:27:24,720 --> 03:27:25,520
» hello.

5178
03:27:25,520 --> 03:27:26,319
>> Yes. Hi.

5179
03:27:26,319 --> 03:27:27,600
>> Okay, just want to make sure you guys

5180
03:27:27,600 --> 03:27:30,319
can hear me. Um, hi, I'm Christina

5181
03:27:30,319 --> 03:27:32,479
Warren. I am on the circulation

5182
03:27:32,479 --> 03:27:37,840
committee. Um, I also live west of um,

5183
03:27:37,840 --> 03:27:40,720
the elementary school and I also have

5184
03:27:40,720 --> 03:27:43,520
three children at the elementary school.

5185
03:27:43,520 --> 03:27:46,000
Um, two things I wanted to point out.

5186
03:27:46,000 --> 03:27:48,880
one in terms of how effective is this?

5187
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:52,319
Um the reason that this measure was

5188
03:27:52,319 --> 03:27:55,040
brought into California law and passed

5189
03:27:55,040 --> 03:27:59,120
is because of the um survival rate of

5190
03:27:59,120 --> 03:28:02,319
children at 15 miles hour verse 25 miles

5191
03:28:02,319 --> 03:28:05,359
hour. So there are lots of studies and

5192
03:28:05,359 --> 03:28:09,760
lots of data um as to why so many towns

5193
03:28:09,760 --> 03:28:11,920
across California have implemented this

5194
03:28:11,920 --> 03:28:14,319
law. You can see it in Menllo Park,

5195
03:28:14,319 --> 03:28:16,399
Athetherton, San Monteo, Redwood City,

5196
03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:18,080
San Carlos, all up and down the

5197
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:20,479
peninsula. Um, and I think another thing

5198
03:28:20,479 --> 03:28:23,680
that's really important to note is that

5199
03:28:23,680 --> 03:28:26,319
we our elementary school is positioned

5200
03:28:26,319 --> 03:28:29,920
in one of our busiest cutthrough streets

5201
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,960
in our entire town. And we have people

5202
03:28:32,960 --> 03:28:35,520
from all different communities cutting

5203
03:28:35,520 --> 03:28:38,080
through the town who are unaware of the

5204
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:40,880
fact that there is a school um

5205
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:42,319
approaching when they're driving through

5206
03:28:42,319 --> 03:28:45,760
our town. Um living west of the school.

5207
03:28:45,760 --> 03:28:48,720
Um I am about I'm like right across from

5208
03:28:48,720 --> 03:28:50,960
Fox Hollow. So I'm halfway between the

5209
03:28:50,960 --> 03:28:54,560
school and the little store. And there

5210
03:28:54,560 --> 03:28:56,960
has been nothing done to address safe

5211
03:28:56,960 --> 03:28:58,800
routes to school for children that live

5212
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:00,960
west of the elementary school. So in my

5213
03:29:00,960 --> 03:29:03,680
mind, the absolute least and coste

5214
03:29:03,680 --> 03:29:06,880
effective thing we can do is to reduce

5215
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:09,120
the speed limit for kids walking to

5216
03:29:09,120 --> 03:29:10,960
school so that they can safely get to

5217
03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:12,560
school because people are flying down

5218
03:29:12,560 --> 03:29:15,840
the hill at 40 miles hour. Kids can't

5219
03:29:15,840 --> 03:29:18,000
there's no crosswalk for kids to safely

5220
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:19,600
walk the streets. There's no safe

5221
03:29:19,600 --> 03:29:21,359
sidewalk for kids to get to school.

5222
03:29:21,359 --> 03:29:23,520
Everything's been addressed for kids

5223
03:29:23,520 --> 03:29:25,600
east of the school from the Glenns to

5224
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:27,760
get to school. But we have tons of kids

5225
03:29:27,760 --> 03:29:30,319
west of the school that are having to

5226
03:29:30,319 --> 03:29:32,960
deal with high-speed cars passing them

5227
03:29:32,960 --> 03:29:34,640
while they're trying to get to school

5228
03:29:34,640 --> 03:29:36,800
that live less than 500 yards from the

5229
03:29:36,800 --> 03:29:40,479
school. So um to me this is a no-brainer

5230
03:29:40,479 --> 03:29:44,640
and um I would hope that the committee

5231
03:29:44,640 --> 03:29:47,120
would put the safety of children first.

5232
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:48,960
Um, part of the reason that it's been

5233
03:29:48,960 --> 03:29:52,000
brought to light, um, is because so many

5234
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:54,399
parents are now realizing that there's

5235
03:29:54,399 --> 03:29:58,479
an outlet to voice um, all of the near

5236
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:00,960
accidents that occur every single day in

5237
03:30:00,960 --> 03:30:02,960
front of our school. Um, I think I've

5238
03:30:02,960 --> 03:30:04,560
been encouraging people to start sending

5239
03:30:04,560 --> 03:30:07,120
in the videos and writing in to town

5240
03:30:07,120 --> 03:30:12,080
council and things like that, but this isn't a new problem. We see these

5241
03:30:12,080 --> 03:30:16,000
near misses every single day. And I just

5242
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:17,920
would like the council to think about

5243
03:30:17,920 --> 03:30:20,880
this as a preventative measure instead

5244
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:22,960
of waiting for a child to be killed to

5245
03:30:22,960 --> 03:30:24,880
do something about the safety in front

5246
03:30:24,880 --> 03:30:26,640
of the school because it is a daily

5247
03:30:26,640 --> 03:30:29,600
problem. And um I think there are lots

5248
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:33,760
of parents that can vouch for how

5249
03:30:33,760 --> 03:30:35,760
problematic it is in front of our

5250
03:30:35,760 --> 03:30:38,000
school.

5251
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:40,880
>> Okay. Thank you, Christina. Uh, moving

5252
03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:46,870
on to Kim Hatson.

5253
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:50,000
» Hi, thank you. Um,

5254
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:51,600
so I'm also on the circulation

5255
03:30:51,600 --> 03:30:52,800
committee, so I don't know if I'm

5256
03:30:52,800 --> 03:30:54,399
speaking as a member of that committee

5257
03:30:54,399 --> 03:31:00,000
or just as a as a citizen. Um, I would

5258
03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:02,720
like to say that I am in favor of the 15

5259
03:31:02,720 --> 03:31:06,640
mile um speed limit reduction. Uh I

5260
03:31:06,640 --> 03:31:10,399
think that the if we um use Los Altos

5261
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:14,800
schools as a model that 15 mile per hour

5262
03:31:14,800 --> 03:31:17,359
speed reduction is just the by the

5263
03:31:17,359 --> 03:31:22,479
school boundary and um it's a small area

5264
03:31:22,479 --> 03:31:25,359
but uh for me as a driver it's it's been

5265
03:31:25,359 --> 03:31:28,399
effective. So I would recommend that. Um

5266
03:31:28,399 --> 03:31:31,520
I I've really been impressed by the um

5267
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:37,200
advocacy of um parents and members of

5268
03:31:37,200 --> 03:31:38,880
the community, but I feel like this

5269
03:31:38,880 --> 03:31:41,279
school, Woodside Elementary School, has

5270
03:31:41,279 --> 03:31:45,359
been really non-participant in this. And

5271
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:48,479
I would like for um I'm just kind of

5272
03:31:48,479 --> 03:31:49,760
surprised, you know, we really haven't

5273
03:31:49,760 --> 03:31:52,640
heard from schoolboard members or from

5274
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:54,319
the administration. and I feel like they

5275
03:31:54,319 --> 03:31:56,720
need to be part of this that um they

5276
03:31:56,720 --> 03:31:59,439
have to want it as badly as us. So

5277
03:31:59,439 --> 03:32:05,120
that's my personal opinion. Um the other

5278
03:32:05,120 --> 03:32:08,239
couple comments are unrelated is that

5279
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:11,359
this agenda has really been amazing but

5280
03:32:11,359 --> 03:32:14,160
too packed for this town council

5281
03:32:14,160 --> 03:32:16,160
meeting. Um, I think everybody's really

5282
03:32:16,160 --> 03:32:18,880
tired and I think that y'all have had

5283
03:32:18,880 --> 03:32:22,239
too many really important topics on one

5284
03:32:22,239 --> 03:32:24,960
night's agenda. And the other item is

5285
03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:27,840
that I cannot hear um everyone's

5286
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:31,120
microphone during the voting part of the

5287
03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:34,800
after your deliberation. Thank you.

5288
03:32:34,800 --> 03:32:36,319
>> Thank you, Kim. And thanks for the

5289
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:39,040
reminder to keep that microphone close.

5290
03:32:39,040 --> 03:32:41,760
Um,

5291
03:32:41,760 --> 03:32:44,560
any comments from the hall before we

5292
03:32:44,560 --> 03:32:46,160
take the what looks like the last call

5293
03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:51,279
here in Zoom? See none. Uh, Staca Gar.

5294
03:32:51,279 --> 03:32:52,399
>> Yeah. Hi.

5295
03:32:52,399 --> 03:32:53,680
>> Hi.

5296
03:32:53,680 --> 03:32:57,279
>> I just wanted to um voice my support for

5297
03:32:57,279 --> 03:32:59,760
lowering the speed limit as another

5298
03:32:59,760 --> 03:33:02,560
parent in the school. Um, I've also

5299
03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:06,160
witnessed many near misses. Um, both

5300
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:09,040
seeing cars go around on the bike lane

5301
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:11,680
side and then actually also cars coming

5302
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:15,359
in and passing on the left coming into

5303
03:33:15,359 --> 03:33:17,760
uh where the first crosswalk is if

5304
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:19,439
you're coming from from Kenyatta

5305
03:33:19,439 --> 03:33:22,960
Corners. Um, honestly, I don't know why,

5306
03:33:22,960 --> 03:33:26,720
but recently it just has seemed to be a

5307
03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:29,439
particularly significant problem and I

5308
03:33:29,439 --> 03:33:30,880
would like us to do something like

5309
03:33:30,880 --> 03:33:32,560
Christina said before somebody gets

5310
03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:35,439
killed. Um, one thing I wanted to just

5311
03:33:35,439 --> 03:33:38,640
mention is I agree with the point that

5312
03:33:38,640 --> 03:33:41,359
particularly coming from the west into

5313
03:33:41,359 --> 03:33:44,399
town into by, you know, by the tennis

5314
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:47,040
courts, it can be hard to see that there

5315
03:33:47,040 --> 03:33:49,760
is a school there. So we don't, as I

5316
03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:51,359
understand it, we don't have to actually

5317
03:33:51,359 --> 03:33:54,640
extend the length equidistance. So like

5318
03:33:54,640 --> 03:33:57,920
for instance, the amount of the 15 mph

5319
03:33:57,920 --> 03:34:00,319
could be shorter on the Kinyatta Corner

5320
03:34:00,319 --> 03:34:02,960
side than it is um toward the mountain

5321
03:34:02,960 --> 03:34:05,120
side if we want to kind of give more

5322
03:34:05,120 --> 03:34:07,359
warning on that side for people to slow

5323
03:34:07,359 --> 03:34:09,439
down. Um I believe that that's one of

5324
03:34:09,439 --> 03:34:11,439
the options. Um and then I think the

5325
03:34:11,439 --> 03:34:12,720
other thing I just wanted to remind

5326
03:34:12,720 --> 03:34:14,960
folks is that this is only during school

5327
03:34:14,960 --> 03:34:17,680
hours. So when you know we back up on

5328
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:19,760
the weekends and those other times this

5329
03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:23,279
won't be in effect. And so you know I

5330
03:34:23,279 --> 03:34:26,399
think that some of the traffic uh impact

5331
03:34:26,399 --> 03:34:28,960
concerns may not be as relevant as we

5332
03:34:28,960 --> 03:34:30,880
feel like they are because you know if

5333
03:34:30,880 --> 03:34:33,279
we're not there during the school hours

5334
03:34:33,279 --> 03:34:36,000
um you may not may not realize kind of

5335
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:38,399
the impact. So anyway it's it's late and

5336
03:34:38,399 --> 03:34:39,760
I'm not sure I'm making as much sense as

5337
03:34:39,760 --> 03:34:41,520
I would have a couple hours ago. But

5338
03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:44,080
thank you all for taking this and I

5339
03:34:44,080 --> 03:34:47,120
really really would encourage you to

5340
03:34:47,120 --> 03:34:49,680
look at lowering that speed limit as if

5341
03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:51,520
nothing else to follow the the pattern

5342
03:34:51,520 --> 03:34:53,359
that we see in the rest of California

5343
03:34:53,359 --> 03:34:55,439
and also just to keep our kids safe.

5344
03:34:55,439 --> 03:34:57,520
Thank you.

5345
03:34:57,520 --> 03:35:01,359
>> Thank you. Any other public comment?

5346
03:35:01,359 --> 03:35:03,120
Seeing none, we will close public

5347
03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:05,439
comment. Deliberation from council. Any

5348
03:35:05,439 --> 03:35:09,750
thoughts from councel?

5349
03:35:09,760 --> 03:35:11,439
already heard mine.

5350
03:35:11,439 --> 03:35:16,000
>> Well, I I can go. Would you like to go?

5351
03:35:16,000 --> 03:35:18,560
Yes. Great. Great. Thank you.

5352
03:35:18,560 --> 03:35:22,000
>> Um yeah, I I still as always I I think

5353
03:35:22,000 --> 03:35:24,640
of safety as the number one issue. Um

5354
03:35:24,640 --> 03:35:26,640
and especially when it comes to our most

5355
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:28,319
vulnerable community, which is little

5356
03:35:28,319 --> 03:35:31,359
kids. um you know and I've seen every

5357
03:35:31,359 --> 03:35:34,800
single day when I drive down uh Woodside

5358
03:35:34,800 --> 03:35:39,200
Road and I have um at 25 I it's not

5359
03:35:39,200 --> 03:35:40,479
every single time but most of the time

5360
03:35:40,479 --> 03:35:42,080
there's somebody tailgating me because

5361
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:43,680
they want me to go faster and they're

5362
03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:45,520
making it as clear as they can by riding

5363
03:35:45,520 --> 03:35:48,080
my bumper and I don't know keep going

5364
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:51,120
the same speed. So um yeah I think I

5365
03:35:51,120 --> 03:35:53,840
think people drive too fast. Uh I

5366
03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:56,479
totally support it.

5367
03:35:56,479 --> 03:35:59,439
>> Okay. Thank you,

5368
03:35:59,439 --> 03:36:01,920
Ben. Council member Wall, would you like

5369
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:03,279
to weigh in?

5370
03:36:03,279 --> 03:36:05,840
>> Um, yeah, I'm very supportive of this

5371
03:36:05,840 --> 03:36:08,880
proposal. I think, um, it's like like

5372
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:12,239
many of the commentators, residents

5373
03:36:12,239 --> 03:36:15,840
said, um, it's a child safety issue. Um

5374
03:36:15,840 --> 03:36:18,319
I really appreciated um Christina

5375
03:36:18,319 --> 03:36:20,479
Warren's comment around that there's a

5376
03:36:20,479 --> 03:36:22,880
lot of data showing that the survival

5377
03:36:22,880 --> 03:36:25,200
rates of children that you know god

5378
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,200
forbid somebody that an accident does

5379
03:36:27,200 --> 03:36:31,600
happen um you know that to have it be at

5380
03:36:31,600 --> 03:36:34,960
15 miles an hour versus you know much u

5381
03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:37,920
faster speed um the outcomes are very

5382
03:36:37,920 --> 03:36:40,800
different and yeah I mean it's very

5383
03:36:40,800 --> 03:36:42,960
convincing to me to to take a

5384
03:36:42,960 --> 03:36:45,200
preventative measure like this rather

5385
03:36:45,200 --> 03:36:47,120
than you know we're we're hearing a lot

5386
03:36:47,120 --> 03:36:50,000
of anecdotal evidence and stories you

5387
03:36:50,000 --> 03:36:51,520
know coming out that there's been a lot

5388
03:36:51,520 --> 03:36:54,160
of near misses so I think it's uh you

5389
03:36:54,160 --> 03:36:55,439
know important for us to take this

5390
03:36:55,439 --> 03:36:58,800
preventative step um you know generally

5391
03:36:58,800 --> 03:37:01,920
I'm very supportive of of you know safe

5392
03:37:01,920 --> 03:37:03,840
routes to school initiatives and I I

5393
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:05,520
think it was a one of the people that

5394
03:37:05,520 --> 03:37:07,359
commented made a really good point that

5395
03:37:07,359 --> 03:37:10,319
really nothing has been done to address

5396
03:37:10,319 --> 03:37:12,560
um kids that live west of Woodside

5397
03:37:12,560 --> 03:37:13,920
Elementary School. So, I think this is a

5398
03:37:13,920 --> 03:37:17,279
really important next step. Um, and I

5399
03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:18,880
think, you know, we're seeing, you know,

5400
03:37:18,880 --> 03:37:20,800
other towns around us make similar

5401
03:37:20,800 --> 03:37:22,720
changes to their speed limits, uh, near

5402
03:37:22,720 --> 03:37:24,319
the school. So, I don't know, I could

5403
03:37:24,319 --> 03:37:25,680
keep going on repeating the good points,

5404
03:37:25,680 --> 03:37:29,040
but uh, the point is I'm very supportive

5405
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:31,359
of this.

5406
03:37:31,359 --> 03:37:34,560
>> Thank you. And, Vice uh, Mayor Prom

5407
03:37:34,560 --> 03:37:36,560
Gold,

5408
03:37:36,560 --> 03:37:39,600
>> this is good. Um

5409
03:37:39,600 --> 03:37:42,800
I drove around a little bit uh area

5410
03:37:42,800 --> 03:37:44,800
schools that are a mile or two away and

5411
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:47,040
um sort of surprised in front of Los

5412
03:37:47,040 --> 03:37:50,880
Lamita the speed limit is 25. Um on

5413
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:54,160
Alamita Stellis Pulgus um front of Cord

5414
03:37:54,160 --> 03:37:57,200
Madera the speed limit is 25. Um this is

5415
03:37:57,200 --> 03:37:59,120
just I was just I've been thinking I

5416
03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:00,479
mean this affects a lot of

5417
03:38:00,479 --> 03:38:03,040
constituencies is on my mind. It's a

5418
03:38:03,040 --> 03:38:06,960
main artery. Uh I don't disagree um uh

5419
03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:08,640
with the comments that have been made.

5420
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:13,190
I'm uh

5421
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:16,720
I'm wondering uh as a compromise or what

5422
03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:17,760
we heard tonight. There were two

5423
03:38:17,760 --> 03:38:20,960
insights that grabbed me. One was that

5424
03:38:20,960 --> 03:38:22,080
we might be able to just do this

5425
03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:24,479
property line to property line. I would

5426
03:38:24,479 --> 03:38:26,800
find that to be a far more reasonable

5427
03:38:26,800 --> 03:38:29,359
compromise than what I think is in this

5428
03:38:29,359 --> 03:38:31,040
document, which is 500 ft of either

5429
03:38:31,040 --> 03:38:33,359
side. I think if you try to drive that I

5430
03:38:33,359 --> 03:38:37,520
think it's almost punitive beyond

5431
03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:40,399
reason. Um

5432
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:42,399
the other thing I did I did love and I

5433
03:38:42,399 --> 03:38:43,920
just you know hearing that today the

5434
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:46,640
survival rate at 15 mph versus 25 might

5435
03:38:46,640 --> 03:38:49,760
be enough to uh that that's a really

5436
03:38:49,760 --> 03:38:51,279
interesting stat that I hadn't thought

5437
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:54,319
about. So, um I guess what I would ask

5438
03:38:54,319 --> 03:38:58,160
is uh would we be open to just a uh

5439
03:38:58,160 --> 03:39:00,080
modifying the resolution to be property

5440
03:39:00,080 --> 03:39:01,680
line to property line? I think we kind

5441
03:39:01,680 --> 03:39:02,800
of heard that from the chair of the

5442
03:39:02,800 --> 03:39:04,479
circulation committee. I think it's

5443
03:39:04,479 --> 03:39:07,120
reasonable. Um

5444
03:39:07,120 --> 03:39:09,279
uh and if you haven't tried to to do

5445
03:39:09,279 --> 03:39:11,359
what is being requested in this

5446
03:39:11,359 --> 03:39:14,080
resolution, um I would ask you to try to

5447
03:39:14,080 --> 03:39:17,040
do it. It's uh yeah, I get it. We all

5448
03:39:17,040 --> 03:39:18,640
make sacrifices for the benefit of

5449
03:39:18,640 --> 03:39:20,319
safety and I I understand that. But I

5450
03:39:20,319 --> 03:39:21,840
just I guess I'm just wondering if

5451
03:39:21,840 --> 03:39:25,760
there's a a way to modify this to

5452
03:39:25,760 --> 03:39:29,760
into a reasonable um a reasonable space

5453
03:39:29,760 --> 03:39:30,560
one side or the other.

5454
03:39:30,560 --> 03:39:32,880
>> I like I like that proposal. I think one

5455
03:39:32,880 --> 03:39:35,359
thing that we should talk about though

5456
03:39:35,359 --> 03:39:38,399
is, you know, had the speed limit been

5457
03:39:38,399 --> 03:39:41,920
15 within 500 ft of school, I presume

5458
03:39:41,920 --> 03:39:44,080
there would be a sign up, right? Kind of

5459
03:39:44,080 --> 03:39:46,560
announcing that speed limit. And one of

5460
03:39:46,560 --> 03:39:48,640
the things we heard from uh one of the

5461
03:39:48,640 --> 03:39:50,960
people in in public comment was that

5462
03:39:50,960 --> 03:39:53,680
often times, especially for very much

5463
03:39:53,680 --> 03:39:55,279
especially for people that aren't

5464
03:39:55,279 --> 03:39:56,800
familiar with Woodsides Roads, that are

5465
03:39:56,800 --> 03:39:59,120
from out of town, simply don't know that

5466
03:39:59,120 --> 03:40:02,160
a school is coming. And so what I would

5467
03:40:02,160 --> 03:40:04,560
like to prevent is somebody speeding.

5468
03:40:04,560 --> 03:40:06,479
And I think we heard from Assan like,

5469
03:40:06,479 --> 03:40:08,479
you know, people aren't, you know, just

5470
03:40:08,479 --> 03:40:12,560
doing 25, they're doing 35, 45. Um, so

5471
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:16,880
maybe in addition to your proposal, um,

5472
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:19,279
where the speed limit sign would have

5473
03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:22,640
otherwise been put, maybe we can put a

5474
03:40:22,640 --> 03:40:24,560
sign that indicates the school.

5475
03:40:24,560 --> 03:40:26,319
>> Yeah. School zone ahead or whatever.

5476
03:40:26,319 --> 03:40:28,880
Yeah. Okay.

5477
03:40:28,880 --> 03:40:33,200
I'm thank you and I would support that

5478
03:40:33,200 --> 03:40:36,399
uh continued modification.

5479
03:40:36,399 --> 03:40:37,920
And of course the signs will say when

5480
03:40:37,920 --> 03:40:40,160
children are present obviously in a big

5481
03:40:40,160 --> 03:40:43,359
yellow thing over the Yeah.

5482
03:40:43,359 --> 03:40:46,239
Okay. Are we Yeah. Can we get that

5483
03:40:46,239 --> 03:40:47,279
motion?

5484
03:40:47,279 --> 03:40:50,640
>> Sure. Um, I would move to approve a

5485
03:40:50,640 --> 03:40:52,319
resolution of the town council of the

5486
03:40:52,319 --> 03:40:54,160
town of Woodside requesting the

5487
03:40:54,160 --> 03:40:55,920
California Department of Transportation,

5488
03:40:55,920 --> 03:41:00,080
CALR, to establish a 15 mph speed zone

5489
03:41:00,080 --> 03:41:02,880
within the property

5490
03:41:02,880 --> 03:41:05,840
uh limit property line of Woodside

5491
03:41:05,840 --> 03:41:07,600
Elementary

5492
03:41:07,600 --> 03:41:10,560
>> uh on State Highway 84, Woodside Road

5493
03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:13,200
and work with CALR District 4 on its

5494
03:41:13,200 --> 03:41:15,600
implementation. Additionally, uh we

5495
03:41:15,600 --> 03:41:18,960
would direct the town of Woodside, town

5496
03:41:18,960 --> 03:41:20,640
manager or department of engineering,

5497
03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:24,000
whoever needs to be directed, um to put

5498
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:28,239
up a a sign indicating that a school zone

5499
03:41:28,239 --> 03:41:30,080
is approaching

5500
03:41:30,080 --> 03:41:35,600
um within 500 ft of the school uh west

5501
03:41:35,600 --> 03:41:38,319
of the school.

5502
03:41:38,319 --> 03:41:41,279
>> Second school. Yeah.

5503
03:41:41,279 --> 03:41:42,640
>> Council member Alvarish.

5504
03:41:42,640 --> 03:41:44,000
>> Yes. Council member Brown.

5505
03:41:44,000 --> 03:41:44,319
>> Yes.

5506
03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:45,680
>> Council member Gold. Yes.

5507
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:49,520
>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donowski.

5508
03:41:49,520 --> 03:41:52,000
>> Uh reports volunteer.

5509
03:41:52,000 --> 03:41:52,960
>> No report.

5510
03:41:52,960 --> 03:41:54,880
>> Thank you. Mayor in council

5511
03:41:54,880 --> 03:41:56,399
communications.

5512
03:41:56,399 --> 03:41:59,279
>> March 21 on your calendar is the

5513
03:41:59,279 --> 03:42:02,960
senior's uh memory workshop and then

5514
03:42:02,960 --> 03:42:05,359
followed by April 25 for the second

5515
03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:08,239
stage of that. What's the date again?

5516
03:42:08,239 --> 03:42:10,560
>> March 21 is the first one and then

5517
03:42:10,560 --> 03:42:13,359
another one in April 25.

5518
03:42:13,359 --> 03:42:15,200
Got them in. Thank you. Any other

5519
03:42:15,200 --> 03:42:17,359
comments?

5520
03:42:17,359 --> 03:42:19,279
Okay, then I think we're going to close

5521
03:42:19,279 --> 03:42:26,040
it uh at a 10:48, a late one.