1 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:08,240 February 18th, 2026 meeting of the Town 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,320 of Woodside Planning Commission. We'll 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:34,630 start with the pledge of allegiance. 4 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,239 Roll call, please. 5 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:37,360 >> Chair Weaver, 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,160 >> present. 7 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:39,600 >> Commissioner Appfell, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,160 >> present. 9 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:41,440 >> Commissioner Gonerko, 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,000 >> here. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:42,960 >> Commissioner Tober, 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,600 >> present. 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,640 >> Vice Chair Gar is noted absent. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,120 >> Are there any changes to the agenda as 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,160 published? 16 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,239 >> There are no changes to the agenda. 17 00:00:52,239 --> 00:00:54,719 However, you do have two desk items. Um 18 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,120 they are both for item number uh two on 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,359 the agenda 133 Marva Oaks. Um one is 20 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:03,440 just a letter of support for the project 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,760 that was included in the staff report 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,320 packet as well as um some recommended 23 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,960 condition changes from staff and um 24 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,360 assistant planner uh KGO will address 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,040 that during his presentation. 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,350 So noted, 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,360 we'll move on to our public comment 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,920 period. This is a chance for members of 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,759 the public to address the planning 30 00:01:29,759 --> 00:01:32,479 commission on items of interest to the 31 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:34,720 town of Woodside and the planning 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,119 commission, but which are not on 33 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:39,840 tonight's agenda. Uh such public 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,640 comments cannot be acted upon tonight or 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,799 discussed at length but may be referred 36 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:47,680 to staff or agendaized at a future 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 meeting. Um such public comments are 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,399 limited to five persons max at 3 minutes 39 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:57,840 each. So is there anyone here tonight on 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,399 Zoom or live that wants to speak on a 41 00:02:00,399 --> 00:02:09,669 topic not on tonight's agenda? 42 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:12,560 Oh, if you're interested in speaking, 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,400 please come up to the microphone. If you 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,640 grab the red lever, you can adjust the 45 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,360 microphone up and down. 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,630 >> Sorry. 47 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,160 » Like you can move the whole 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,520 >> Can you hear me? 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,720 >> I know. Oh, here we go. Sorry. 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,160 >> All good. 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,440 >> How's that? If it's good for you, 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,400 >> it's good. Sorry, I'm not very good with 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,319 speaking in front of a lot of people. 54 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:49,680 I'm going to actually read um Sorry, need my glasses. 55 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,400 Um 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,440 to the chair, the vice chair online and 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,599 the members of the planning commission. 58 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:01,599 Good evening. My name is Terra Pachuan 59 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:06,720 and I reside at 164 Baret Road. Um, 60 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,200 thank you for volunteering your time and 61 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,360 service to our town. My family and I 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,000 truly appreciate it. Um, your your 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,800 dedication to the community. 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,280 I'm reading my comment to remain concise 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,599 and precise. So, please bear with my 66 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:24,879 reading. I respectfully request that my 67 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:28,000 statement be recorded verbatim in the 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,239 meeting minutes. I will also provide 69 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:33,280 this written copy to Julie um the town 70 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,040 clerk for the record. I'm here to raise 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,440 concerns regarding the proposed new 72 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,239 resident at 156 Bardet Road, my next 73 00:03:44,239 --> 00:03:46,159 door neighbor 74 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:48,239 as the immediate adjacent property 75 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:50,799 owner. um directly affected by the 76 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:54,959 design and the sitting of the project. 77 00:03:54,959 --> 00:03:58,640 The conceptual plan that was submitted 78 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,120 um and went on the review board on 79 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,760 November 17 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,959 uh last last year reflects unresolved 81 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:10,000 setback compliant issues including 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 approximately 10 uh foot encroachment 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,560 into the required setback along our 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,840 share property line. In addition, the 85 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:22,400 proposal does not meet cutback 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,280 requirements on the other three sides, 87 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,919 especially the front 88 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:30,720 due to the height of the new proposed 89 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,880 structure. The project also proposed 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,639 two tier retaining walls approximately 91 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:42,639 in combination 8.5 ft tall 92 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,560 along the frontage of Bed Road in order 93 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,040 to create a raised building path for the 94 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,840 new resident. So it's all can be in one 95 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,040 level ground. 96 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,520 Um while these objective code compliant 97 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 matters remain unresolved, the project 98 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,600 has advanced to formal design. I 99 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,960 submitted an appeal of that advancement 100 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,680 respectfully requesting the applicant 101 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,280 first revise the plan to comply with the 102 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,160 applicable setback requirements and 103 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,039 other objective standard provisions of 104 00:05:19,039 --> 00:05:22,400 the uh municipal code and adjust the 105 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,199 story poles accordingly. So the 106 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,440 neighbors may meaningfully review a code 107 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,080 compliant design before the project 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,120 proceeds further and it has been not 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,440 unanswered. 110 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,880 In fact, my appeal was rejected. 111 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,280 I'm providing the commission with I'm 112 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:47,520 going to provide you guys with a copy of 113 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,440 my appeal. Um, I respectfully request 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,600 that this objective compliant issue be 115 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,160 addressed and resolved prior to any 116 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,320 advancement of the project to formal 117 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,680 design review. 118 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,160 >> Thank you very much for your comments. 119 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Um, 120 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,319 at this point I might ask Sage to step 121 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,199 in and address some of the 122 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:15,039 administrative issues. um um one of 123 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:17,039 which is being at what stage is this 124 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:18,800 particular project at? 125 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,440 >> So the project uh has was submitted for 126 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,160 conceptual design review and so that's 127 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,759 the beginning part of the design review 128 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:29,759 process. um that went to the ASRB as the 129 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,880 speaker mentioned um at that time the 130 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,039 ASRB did not have significant concerns 131 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:37,440 with the general design of the project 132 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,000 and forward it to formal design review 133 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,680 and what the speaker has mentioned is 134 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,039 that um there are some areas where there 135 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:46,880 need to be corrections regarding 136 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,360 setbacks. Um they're not significant 137 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,440 issues. It's quite common at the 138 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,440 conceptual stage where everything is not 139 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,000 100% buttoned up. Um that's always been 140 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,479 the intent of the concept review. Uh we 141 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:00,080 actually don't even require a lot of 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,360 information that would um uh be a allow 143 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,560 us to verify 100% zoning compliance. Um 144 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,440 so with this project as it progresses 145 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,120 through the design review um process uh 146 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,599 they will have to be 100% zoning 147 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:19,599 compliant uh when they submit their 148 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:22,319 formal design review materials. if for 149 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:25,120 some reason they're making changes that 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,560 would provide significant design 151 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,000 changes, they would have to go back to 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,199 the ASRB for further review. Um, we have 153 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,400 met with the applicant. Um, there's a 154 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,960 couple they're going to do a minor shift 155 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,720 in where the building location, kind of 156 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,639 turn it a little bit. They're doing some 157 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,960 minor adjustments to the roof line and 158 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,840 it looks like they'll be able to um they 159 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,840 understand the issues that they have to 160 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,400 meet in terms of heights and setbacks. 161 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,080 uh and they will have to address those 162 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,759 items. Um given that the conceptual 163 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:57,280 design review is just the beginning part 164 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,280 of the design review process, that 165 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,919 process isn't complete yet. Um so no 166 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:04,720 action to approve or deny the project at 167 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,319 the concept stage uh is is done and so 168 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,800 therefore there's no action to appeal. 169 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,240 Um so the speaker was notified um that 170 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,120 we couldn't process the appeal and we 171 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,919 note the concerns that are expressed. Um 172 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:22,879 we have also offered to we will continue 173 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,639 to make sure that she's contacted um 174 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,720 when the formal design review materials 175 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,560 are submitted. Um she can come down and 176 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,840 meet with us. We can go through those 177 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,560 materials in details. Um and any action 178 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:36,880 that's taken uh to complete the design 179 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,880 review process to approve or deny the 180 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,959 design um could be appealed at that 181 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:46,000 time. And so um it's been uh she met 182 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,880 with myself, town manager, um town 183 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,640 manager, town attorney, myself, we've 184 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,200 met several different times. Um it's 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,160 clearly consistent town practice. We've 186 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,040 never had an appeal um processed for 187 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,200 conceptual design review. So at this 188 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,600 particular stage, the design review 189 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,080 process is still ongoing and once we get 190 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,480 those detailed materials, they will have 191 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,440 to be 100% zoning compliant. Otherwise, 192 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,040 they can apply for an exception or 193 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,880 variance which would become before the 194 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,800 planning commission. Um, and speaking 195 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:17,920 with the applicant, they have no 196 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,839 intention to request any type of 197 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:21,120 exception that requires planning 198 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,200 commission review. Um, so they should 199 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,519 address these things as they've prevent 200 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:27,920 presented to us in a draft form um just 201 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,519 at a meeting. So, we don't have those 202 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,320 copies, but um the there will be more 203 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,279 opportunity to comment um and and 204 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:38,800 provide any uh recourse on whatever 205 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,880 decision is made at that time. 206 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,959 >> Thank you very much, Sage. Ma'am, we 207 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:46,640 hear your concerns. Um is there anyone 208 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,040 else here tonight that wants to speak on 209 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,360 an item not on tonight's agenda, either 210 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,040 live or on Zoom? 211 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,560 >> For those online, please use the raise 212 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:55,839 hand feature if you'd like to make a 213 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:59,430 comment. 214 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,120 There are no raise hands online. 215 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,120 >> If not, may I have just one more minute, 216 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:03,680 please? 217 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,200 >> Um, no, we need to move on to the agenda 218 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,880 items. Um, uh, for the people that came 219 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,480 here for the items that are on the 220 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,040 agenda. 221 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,360 >> Well, I I just have one question, right? 222 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,000 Is that 223 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,720 >> one question? 224 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,120 >> Yeah. Um so because of 10 feet 225 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,200 encroachment is not minor and because of 226 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,640 that why does it get advancement to 227 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,040 formal design review to me now 228 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,160 >> the town has not granted anything to the 229 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,640 applicant for that property so there's 230 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,399 nothing to appeal I think that's the key 231 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:39,360 issue right 232 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,519 >> that's it and and the issue isn't a 233 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,000 10-ft difference it's it's when you have 234 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,000 to apply this 10-ft difference and what 235 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,320 the applicant is doing is lowering the 236 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,399 height so they don't have that issue and 237 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,959 they're slightly uh adjusting it. So 238 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:54,800 they will have to be 100% zoning 239 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,160 compliant and those design those will be 240 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,680 presented once we get those materials 241 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,680 >> and it's sort of in their interest to 242 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,680 draw up their plans that they'll invest 243 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:04,880 a lot of money in. 244 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,399 >> In your ASRB agenda, it say that any 245 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:11,120 decision made can be appealed. 246 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,200 >> Well, I I'll pass this along. That's all 247 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,200 I wanted to do. Thank you for your time. 248 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,360 It can be appealed at an appropriate 249 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,680 time. Ma'am, so um 250 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,000 were there any other public commenters 251 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,839 online? 252 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:28,399 >> No, there are no raised hands online. 253 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:30,160 >> Okay, given that we will close the 254 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,000 public comment period and move on to the 255 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:39,829 consent calendar. 256 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:43,360 and the consent calendar. Um, the one 257 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,360 item on there is approval of the minutes 258 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,040 from our January 14th meeting. 259 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,079 Is there anyone here, staff or 260 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:53,600 commission members, that would like to 261 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,720 make a revision, elaboration, or changes 262 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,560 to the minutes as provided in the uh 263 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:03,600 meeting packet. 264 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,200 The chair would entertain a motion to 265 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,399 approve the minutes. 266 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:08,959 >> So moved. 267 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:11,680 Second, please 268 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,120 second the motion. 269 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,160 >> Chair Weaver. 270 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:16,720 >> Yes. 271 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,560 >> Commissioner Appfell. 272 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:19,040 >> Yes. 273 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,560 >> Commissioner Gonco. 274 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:21,040 >> Yes. 275 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,079 >> Commissioner Tober. 276 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:24,560 >> Yes. 277 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,279 >> Okay. We will move on to the main item 278 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:31,590 of the evening, which is 279 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,959 a discussion on a property at 133 Marva 280 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:38,639 Oaks Drive, which involves the granting 281 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:42,480 of a variance for a swimming pool 282 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,680 in uh in a setback. And I believe that 283 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,160 KGO is presenting the staff report. And 284 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:57,829 I will we will listen to you, Ko. 285 00:12:57,839 --> 00:12:59,440 Hello and thank you. I will be 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,760 introducing the project at 133 Morbida 287 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,279 Oaks Drive for planning commission 288 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,360 review. For this planning commission 289 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,760 review, the applicant requests approval 290 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,600 of a variance to the setback 291 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,079 requirements for the construction of a 292 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:14,480 new swimming pool that would encroach 293 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,519 into the required setback side setback. 294 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:19,839 This application is categorically exempt 295 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:21,600 under the California Environmental 296 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Quality Act uh SQA guidelines 153003 297 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,360 section E uh which is new construction 298 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,360 of small structures including swimming 299 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,399 pools. And so uh the planning director 300 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:36,720 mentioned earlier uh there are two desk 301 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,800 items for tonight's hearing uh both 302 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,120 pertaining to this project. Uh one is 303 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,519 from an adjacent neighbor uh reiterating 304 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,000 his support for the project and is uh 305 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,160 attachment uh number six is the first 306 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,360 letter uh that that adjacent neighbor uh 307 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,240 originally sent um dated December 18th, 308 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,760 2025 309 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,920 uh expressing support uh for this 310 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,639 variance request. And the other desk 311 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,519 item tonight is amended language for the 312 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:07,120 resolution in particular condition one 313 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,680 uh F. 314 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:12,560 And this relates to the uh existing hot 315 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,959 tub, sauna, and deck area that is shown 316 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:18,399 near the near the um uh center portion 317 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,000 of the site. And uh just to give a brief 318 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,160 background, um since the completion of 319 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,920 the main residence, no recent permits 320 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,440 appear to have been issued for those 321 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,880 site improvements. Um originally the 322 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,480 staff has recommended for uh removal of 323 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,440 these unpermitted items. Uh however um 324 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,199 with this amended language, should the 325 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:41,519 homeowner decide to pursue the process 326 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:43,920 of getting these items permitted, um 327 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,680 town staff will be able to work with the 328 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:54,230 homeowner/applicant at that stage. 329 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,519 So this is uh the aerial photograph of 330 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:00,399 133 Marbor Oaks. The subject site is 331 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,160 approximately 3.73 acres and is in the 332 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,639 RR zoning district. And so the basic 333 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:09,040 setbacks for this lot is 50 ft for all 334 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,399 sides. Uh the lot has roughly six sides 335 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:14,240 and extends significantly to the west 336 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,800 and north towards the Rayundo roadway on 337 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,440 the northern side. The overall site is 338 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,519 relatively flat on the southwestern 339 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:23,839 portion with a steep decline from the 340 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:26,399 southern to the northern side. Uh the 341 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:28,560 site contains an existing two-story 342 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,720 single family residence with an attached 343 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,199 garage and existing hardscape that are 344 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:34,800 located on a relatively flat 345 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,120 southwestern portion of the site. And 346 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,360 the project site also includes easements 347 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,040 uh for public utilities along the 348 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,389 western and northern sides. 349 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:48,560 It's a topographic survey for the 350 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,870 project site. 351 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,279 So the survey itself identifies areas of 352 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:57,680 the site that contain slopes in excess 353 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,759 of 35% 354 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:03,360 mostly along the southern portion. Uh 355 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,920 the side municipal code section 153 uh 356 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,720 section subsection 415 does not allow 357 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,720 for development on natural ground slopes 358 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,240 that exceed 35%. Uh however, development 359 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,720 will be allowed in man-made slopes in 360 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,000 excess of 35% uh so long as prior to the 361 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,120 slopes being man-made were also 35% or 362 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040 less. And so the applicant also 363 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,920 submitted uh a geotechnical report uh 364 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,079 certified by civil engineer indicating 365 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:34,160 that the areas to be developed for the 366 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,399 proposed pool uh were on slopes um that 367 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,480 were man-made uh and prior to being 368 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:48,310 man-made were of 35% or less. 369 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,199 And this is the extent of the proposed 370 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:54,720 uh location of the uh pool uh to be 371 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,000 encroached into the side setback. 372 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,560 And uh to give you a bit bit of a 373 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,959 reference, uh there are existing uh 374 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:07,039 permits um under separate review and 375 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,120 under a separate permit uh particularly 376 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:12,400 the ADU and the uh the lawn and the 377 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,029 surrounding deck area around the pool. 378 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:21,189 And so 379 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:29,430 uh the pool 380 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,360 The applicant is requesting approval of 381 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,679 a variance um as mentioned earlier to 382 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:35,360 locate a new swimming pool within the 383 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,760 side setback and at its closest point 384 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,679 from the property line it would be 14.83 385 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:47,430 ft from the side property line. 386 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,440 This is the uh proposed elevation 387 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,830 section of the pool. 388 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,840 The applicant has also provided uh 389 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,830 renderings of the pool. 390 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,520 And to your left are the uh the actual 391 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,080 physical materials of the pool as well 392 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,880 as a reference materials list for uh 393 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,919 other items uh that are also uh under 394 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:17,679 separate uh review uh such as the ADU 395 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:21,120 and for the decks. And so for the pool 396 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:25,280 uh they are um proposing uh wooden deck 397 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,080 tiles for the exterior and pool coping 398 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,960 uh with this uh darker shade color as 399 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,400 you can see on the bottom right of this 400 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,830 materials board. 401 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,520 And so findings have been provided by 402 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,760 the applicant. Uh the applicant is 403 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,160 requesting a setback variance uh for 404 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,000 with the following reasons uh listed 405 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,160 below. And to quickly summarize, the 406 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,480 applicant has stated that the design 407 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,240 proposal and variance request is 408 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,720 consistent with the zoning ordinance and 409 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,720 that it avoids development in areas of 410 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,720 the site that might result in erosion, 411 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,960 earth movement and degradation of water 412 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,760 quality. Thereby preserving the natural 413 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,919 and scenic character of the town by 414 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:07,440 retaining most of the property in its 415 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,160 natural state. Also that the strict 416 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,679 application application of the 417 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:14,080 provisions of the zoning ordinance would 418 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,480 result in uh requesting for a variance 419 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,320 to develop in areas of the property that 420 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,280 are heavily wooded and steep uh 421 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,200 requiring significant retaining walls 422 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,280 fill and tree destruction. therefore 423 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,080 creating a greater environmental impact 424 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,679 and also that the swimming pool would 425 00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:32,240 not be visible from the road and the 426 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,640 proposed ADU under a separate permit 427 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,360 would act as a visual and noise barrier 428 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,760 and the tree screening that exists uh 429 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,080 between the two properties would obscure 430 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,720 much of the view um of the pool from the 431 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,360 adjacent property. 432 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:50,320 And so town staff has also uh prepared 433 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,320 findings as well uh citing um elements 434 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,280 from the Woodside general plan. Uh goal 435 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,320 in particular goals open space 1.1 436 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,760 uh conservation uh goal 1.1 and land use 437 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,480 1.2 two which are regulating land use 438 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,039 and development to conserve open space 439 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,360 uh limiting the intensity of development 440 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,080 on steep hillsides and uh protecting 441 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,200 lives and property. 442 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,039 So that concludes my presentation. Staff 443 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,919 is happy to answer any questions. Um the 444 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:26,640 applicant has also uh directed story 445 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,159 polls at least 10 days before the 446 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:30,159 hearing date and the applicant is also 447 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:31,520 here in attendance to answer any 448 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:37,990 questions. Thank you. 449 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,159 Alex, you got any questions for Keo? 450 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,640 Richard? 451 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,400 >> None for me. 452 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,320 >> Uh, neither do I. Um, 453 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,360 at that point, if the applicant wants to 454 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,080 make a presentation, you are welcome to 455 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:04,390 do so, although it is not required. 456 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,360 I promise to keep it short and sweet. 457 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,240 Um, unfortunately the applicant would 458 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,320 have loved to been here to uh go over 459 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,480 the project with you. He's off on a on a 460 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,600 ski vacation in Colorado and regrets 461 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,960 being here and but uh he's what he's 462 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,360 looking for is he's trying to create a 463 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,919 environment for his kids and his family 464 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:29,039 for outdoor use of the space. The site, 465 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,760 as you've gotten the explanation from 466 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,520 KGO, is very constrained. Um, and there 467 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,679 really isn't much areas where you can 468 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:40,559 keep a swimming pool close to the house 469 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,280 and and also be part of the, you know, 470 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,080 the family environment. So, when we 471 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,400 started designing all this, we we you 472 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,960 know, we added in a there was an ADU 473 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,960 that was part of the part of the program 474 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,919 as well as a swimming pool. And because 475 00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:57,360 of the grade differential, there's a 476 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,039 there's an area underneath the house 477 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:02,320 that allows for uh pool 478 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,960 functions and, you know, pool house type 479 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,669 stuff. Um 480 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:12,960 the neighbors have all looked at it and 481 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320 have approved. In fact, John's here. Um 482 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,360 and uh he's the adjacent neighbor and 483 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:21,360 you know, everybody's everybody likes 484 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,120 the idea that we can tell. So, um, it's 485 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,039 a very constrained site and we, you 486 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:28,400 know, I think the findings are pretty 487 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,440 clear in terms of what, uh, how it meets 488 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,640 the requirements of the town of 489 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,400 Woodside. 490 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,480 There any questions? I We have, we have 491 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,919 some more pictures, but it's basically 492 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:42,720 the same as already what Keo showed. So, 493 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,760 any questions? 494 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,600 >> Do any commissioners have questions for 495 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,640 the applicant? 496 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280 >> I have a couple. Um, thank you very 497 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,280 much. I I was able to get site today, so 498 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,640 I appreciate that I had a chance to look 499 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,320 at it. Um, can you just um help me 500 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,880 understand what what is down below in 501 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,440 that large swale? Is that is that the 502 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,360 sites owner's property or is that 503 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:03,840 >> Yes. 504 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,200 >> What does it what does it go up against? 505 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,559 I'm just curious. I couldn't even tell. 506 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,240 >> There's a swale. There's a there's a 507 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,559 eerial stream that runs through that. 508 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:11,679 So, you can see the kind of white 509 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:14,400 section between the two. 510 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,799 >> Um, so it's it's a it's really a big 511 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,600 valley. Um, and you can see all of the 512 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,320 all the 35% slopes 513 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,240 above and some of the stuff on the right 514 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,799 hand side of that are man-made 515 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:29,039 report, 516 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:30,880 >> but that goes down. And what does that 517 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,520 abut against? What's on the 518 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,720 >> There's another There's another house 519 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,200 that there's other houses to the to the 520 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,360 both above, below, and to the sides. 521 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,720 >> Okay. I I couldn't even see the house 522 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,120 below. That's why I was asking. Sorry, I 523 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,400 wasn't trying to trip you up. 524 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,919 >> Yeah. So, so that gives you a period of, 525 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:48,000 you know, of what's of what's out there. 526 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,520 >> Got it. Got it. Okay. Thanks for 527 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,880 clarifying. And then my only other 528 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,039 question, forgive me if this is seems 529 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:55,280 presumptuous or or maybe aggressive, but 530 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,520 I'm just curious, why why are why why 531 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760 are you not doing this as part of the AD 532 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600 why are they separate? Why is the ADUP 533 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,280 separate from the pool? Was there any 534 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,960 thought about doing it as one cohesive? 535 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,080 >> Because we want to be able to start 536 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,880 construction on the on the ADU this this 537 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,840 spring. 538 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,960 >> Okay. Okay. And there is and there's 539 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,279 work there that needs to get done. And 540 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,440 the variance process, you know, is going 541 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,039 to take a little bit of time plus, you 542 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:18,480 know, getting that stuff done. So, our 543 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:24,320 hope here is to get this through the this variance process and 544 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,080 then get it in for construction. 545 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,679 >> Understood. Thanks for clarifying. I 546 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:31,120 have no other questions. 547 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,830 >> Richard, got any question? 548 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Alex? 549 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,679 >> Okay. Um, 550 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:40,640 >> thank you. If you got any other 551 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,200 questions, let me know. 552 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,880 >> I do not have any questions. 553 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,279 >> Okay. 554 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:46,640 >> In that case, 555 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520 we will open the public comment period 556 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080 on this variance hearing. So, if there 557 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240 are any members of the public that wish 558 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520 to address the planning commission 559 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,880 regarding this uh uh potential variance, 560 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,960 please come up to the mic or if you're 561 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,200 on Zoom, raise your hand and speak up 562 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:13,669 now. 563 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:15,360 John, I know that you know how to move 564 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,440 the microphone up and down the 565 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,559 >> Been here before. 566 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:25,590 >> You've been here before. 567 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,720 » I'm John Hughes. I own the property to 568 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,960 the uh north and west of the subject 569 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,960 property. And uh I uh we first bought 570 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,520 the land there in 2006. We built uh our 571 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,679 home from 2006 to 2008. 572 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:50,480 And um uh and as we were building our 573 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:57,279 home, I personally I I like trees. So I 574 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,320 personally made sure that we had a whole 575 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,720 line of trees 576 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,559 uh planted 17 years ago uh all along our 577 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:15,200 uh um uh uh border with 133. We're in 578 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,799 117. 579 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,440 133 is immediately to the south uh west 580 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,440 of us. Uh why did I do that? And is 581 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,000 because the previous uh one of the the 582 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,640 owner when we moved in uh was uh a uh 583 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,640 older gentleman. He had a junkyard in 584 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,600 his backyard. It was awful. He had three 585 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,080 awful uh um uh trailers. of what uh uh 586 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,440 the people lived in and that there was a 587 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,039 constant I don't know you pick up people 588 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,799 at one of the local bars, bring them 589 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,279 they lived there. Oh, it was really 590 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,760 awful. And I just the only thing we 591 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,760 could do is uh patch the fence. So, make 592 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,880 sure the fence was and then uh plant all 593 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,159 these trees. Well, 17 years later, these 594 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:10,960 trees have done what we wanted them to 595 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,880 do and the property is now under uh 596 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,640 competent ownership and we love it. That 597 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,279 is just the way we want it. We can't see 598 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,679 anything that's going on in that 599 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,640 property from the upper deck of our 600 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,919 house, which is generally where our uh 601 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:33,840 living room and kitchen is. It's it's 602 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400 quite a bit above the so even when we 603 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,320 look down on it we can't see. And uh 604 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,919 immediately on our side of the fence is 605 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:45,600 uh one of our vineyards. We have two 606 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,200 vineyards, one in the north and one in 607 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,200 the south. This is a south vineyard. 608 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,799 There is nobody near this uh swimming 609 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,480 pool within hundreds of feet who is who 610 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600 would ever be uh inconvenienced with it 611 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,799 in a in the current setting. So, we uh 612 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:07,200 strongly uh request that this uh setback 613 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,679 be approved because at least we have 614 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:13,520 only good things to say about our 615 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,399 neighbors and about what he's doing. 616 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:19,440 Second point I'd like to make, I was 617 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480 astounded to to read in the materials 618 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600 before coming here about the sauna and 619 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,120 everything that uh was supposedly 620 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,880 unpermitted. What I want to say is we 621 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,320 never knew about it. We it was all 622 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,279 blocked. It's so it even the the the 623 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:43,039 sauna on that property is certainly from 624 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,480 our perspective not any kind of 625 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,960 impediment to the view to anything. We 626 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:54,559 can't see it. So uh again we uh from our 627 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,240 perspective we'd uh hope that uh this is 628 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,760 resolved uh uh both the towns and the 629 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,480 applicants uh uh um uh mutual uh 630 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,120 interests. So thank you very much for 631 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,960 your attention. Is there any question? 632 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,039 Anybody have any question for me? I'd be 633 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,520 glad to I have a quite a history with 634 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,440 this house next door. Uh, so I've we've 635 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,919 watched it for a long time. 636 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:23,679 >> Does anyone have any questions for John 637 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,520 since he is the neighbor who's 638 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,840 on the property 639 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,240 um affected by the setback? 640 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:32,720 >> Okay. 641 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,679 >> No questions. 642 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:34,320 >> Okay. 643 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,279 Thank you. 644 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:36,799 >> Thank you, John. 645 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,799 >> Is there anyone else here live in the 646 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,840 room that wants to speak? 647 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520 Failing that. Is there anyone on Zoom 648 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,559 that wants to speak? 649 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:49,590 >> No, we have no raised hands online. 650 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,159 If no one else in the room wants to 651 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,320 speak, I will close the public comment 652 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,880 period and we can move on to 653 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,640 commissioner deliberation on this topic. 654 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,240 Who wants to start? 655 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 >> You're looking at me. Um well I'm 656 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,360 persuaded by all all of the applicants 657 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,440 uh findings uh specifically finding 658 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,760 number two that rejecting this variance 659 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000 would force them down into an 660 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000 environmental 661 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,679 hit I'll call it down at the bottom of 662 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:23,919 that swale. This is clearly the best 663 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,799 location for it. Um, I'm also quite 664 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:28,880 pleased that the really the only 665 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,120 neighbor affected not only wrote a 666 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,799 letter but came tonight and spoke very 667 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,600 eloquently about their support or his 668 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,919 support of the project. So, I'm fully 669 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:44,310 supportive. I see no issues. 670 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:50,070 » Use the microphone, Alex. 671 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240 » There you go. Sage, I have a quick 672 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960 question. You have a desk item here when 673 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760 we arrived and and under the original 674 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360 packet, 675 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640 it addressed the unpermitted Anna and 676 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960 hot tub. And I think on the desk item 677 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,679 that was here when I arrived, there's an 678 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:10,399 alternative. 679 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:14,399 And the alternative is to pass this and 680 00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:19,120 require the applicant to get the sauna 681 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,000 and the hot tub permitted by the time 682 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,640 this swimming pool is finally approved. 683 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,360 Is that correct? 684 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,520 >> That's correct. So, yes, it's it's just 685 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,120 really clarifying the different options 686 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,039 that the applicant has. They can either 687 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,919 remove the work or they can pursue 688 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,679 obtaining permits. From a planning 689 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:39,120 perspective, location, paved area, 690 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,120 things of that nature. It's unlikely 691 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,039 there will be any significant issues 692 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,799 from a planning perspective. We'll look 693 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,200 at those details closer when the uh when 694 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,039 if a permit submitted. And then they'll 695 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:50,159 also work with the building department 696 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,559 to make sure they comply with all those 697 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,880 uh requirements for a permit. So, um the 698 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,039 desk item that you have is simply 699 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,640 clarifying the two different options 700 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,279 that the applicant can pursue. And yes, 701 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,519 they would do that um kind of uh uh 702 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,919 >> parallel with with the swimming pool 703 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:08,880 project. 704 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,399 >> So, so I'm I'm persuaded. I mean, for 705 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,960 the reasons that Matt mentioned, you 706 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,120 know, this I've been to this site, it is 707 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,399 severely constrained with slopes. 708 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:23,120 the variance, you know, as a neighbor 709 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,640 spoke, I mean, it's it's not an 710 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,720 intrusion on the neighbor's property, 711 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,720 but I just want to make sure that of the 712 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,159 two options that we have, I am for the 713 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,960 option of having this run in parallel, 714 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000 that is not delay this, but require the 715 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,880 applicant to get the get the unpermitted 716 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,120 structures permitted and hopefully it 717 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,200 all by the time the final approval 718 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,640 happens, it all happens at the same 719 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120 time. So that's that's the flavor of the 720 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,200 motion that I am inclined to support. 721 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,720 >> So you were in favor of the revised 722 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,760 >> I was 723 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,399 >> resolution as written or did you want 724 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:01,440 tweaks to that? 725 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,399 >> No, as written. 726 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:03,440 >> Okay. Okay. 727 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,679 >> In the desk in desk item number two. 728 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,919 >> Okay. 729 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:14,149 Richard, 730 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,399 » I don't have anything to add either 731 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,880 other than to echo what's been said 732 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,039 before that this is a good example of 733 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,519 neighbors cooperating. 734 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,840 And I think that the Burmans are very 735 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,080 lucky to have Mr. Hughes as a neighbor 736 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,919 and and the fact he has no problem with 737 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:38,000 this. Um, so it's always good policy to 738 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,799 get along with your neighbors. So 739 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,320 unless any other commissioner has a 740 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760 comment to make, I would the chair would 741 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,389 entertain motions on this. 742 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:57,430 » Go ahead. 743 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,559 >> It is. 744 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,919 So it is the So um the commissioner is 745 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:07,039 asking for which flavor is it and it's 746 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,679 the flavor that says alternatively the 747 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,320 owner may pursue permit approval of the 748 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,000 unpermitted development if the 749 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,159 development complies with all permit 750 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:17,839 requirements from all applicable 751 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:20,399 agencies and obtains permit issuance 752 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:22,000 prior to the start of construction of 753 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,520 the swimming pool. And then it says, if 754 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,440 the owner pursues permit approval of the 755 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000 unpermitted items listed in condition 756 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,119 one, if those permits shall pass final 757 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,359 inspection before or at the same time as 758 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,520 the permits for the swimming pool. If 759 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,599 the owner proposes to remove the 760 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,440 unpermitted items, the unpermitted items 761 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,919 shall be removed prior to the passing of 762 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,960 final inspection for the swimming pool. 763 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,599 So that would allow both projects that 764 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,240 would allow the pool to start. 765 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,159 >> That's correct. They could uh pursue the 766 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,920 permits for the pool in parallel with 767 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,320 the other permits or even ahead of the 768 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,720 other permits. Um I've I've spoken with 769 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,000 the applicant and um looking they they 770 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,200 just wanted to make sure it didn't hold 771 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,280 up their building permit for the pool. 772 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160 Uh so the way it's written um it's all 773 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,720 fine and agreeable and they can uh 774 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,640 pursue that prior to the construction of 775 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,390 the pool. 776 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,760 Perfect. I mean, I I'll make a motion on 777 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,640 the 133 Marv Oaks Drive with regards to 778 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,800 the variance request. 779 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,200 I move that we approve the motion with 780 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,400 uh um with the conditions that I just 781 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,000 read 782 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,040 found in desk item number two. 783 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520 >> Second. 784 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,640 >> Chair Weaver. 785 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,200 >> Yes. 786 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,560 >> Commissioner Abfel, 787 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,119 >> yes. 788 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:46,240 >> Commissioner Gonarco, 789 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,839 >> yes. Commissioner Tober. 790 00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:54,079 >> Yes. All right. Takes care of this item. 791 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:55,680 Sage, what else do you have for us 792 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,400 tonight? 793 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,599 >> Um, just a couple brief reports. We we 794 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,040 have the the January director's report. 795 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,520 Um, just notable, you know, kind of the 796 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,880 new thing we've kind of focused on with 797 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,119 these is that looking at housing 798 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,839 numbers. Uh unfortunately in January 799 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,720 there were no permits issued um for ADUs 800 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,440 or single family dwellings. Um but I I 801 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,000 did take a peek into February just to 802 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,040 give a little um better news uh that 803 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520 within within the first 10 days of 804 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,119 February already three permits have been 805 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,839 issued um for new units. Um I think one 806 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:34,960 house and two ADUs. And so, uh, you 807 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,560 know, different months yield different 808 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960 numbers and hopefully we stay on track, 809 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,880 uh, for our goals of at least 15 ADUs 810 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,240 per year, but, um, hopefully per our 811 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,200 last few years, over 20 would be great. 812 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Um, and then that's it for that stuff, 813 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,800 but I do just want to thank Commissioner 814 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,880 Abfell. Um, this is his last meeting. um 815 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,359 uh he's served on the ASRB as well as 816 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,359 the planning commission for a number of 817 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,520 years. Been a 818 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680 great contribution to the community. So, 819 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,359 just want to say thank you very much for 820 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,440 serving. Um it's it's been great to work 821 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:11,920 with you. 822 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,760 >> Thank Thank you, Sage and team. I really 823 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,480 appreciate it. 824 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,160 >> It has been a pleasure to work with you, 825 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,000 Matt. 826 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 >> I would just encourage the thousands of 827 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,440 people in the room and the millions of 828 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,040 people watching at home to get involved 829 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,400 with public service. It's actually 830 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,359 really great in this town. 831 00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:31,910 Thank you. 832 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,599 » All right. There being nothing else on 833 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,440 the agenda, we will close this meeting. 834 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,000 Thank you very much, everybody.