1 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:10,320 February 18th, 2026 meeting of the Town 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:14,040 of Woodside Planning Commission. We'll 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,040 start with the pledge of allegiance. 4 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,360 Roll call, please. 5 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:38,160 » Chair Weaver, 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,600 » Present. 7 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:40,160 » Commissioner Appfell, 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,440 » Present. 9 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:42,000 » Commissioner Gonerko, 10 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,960 » Here. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,600 » Commissioner Tober, 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,640 » Present. 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,120 » Vice Chair Gar is noted absent. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,160 » Are there any changes to the agenda as 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,239 published? 16 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:54,719 » There are no changes to the agenda. 17 00:00:52,239 --> 00:00:57,120 However, you do have two desk items. Um 18 00:00:54,719 --> 00:01:01,359 they are both for item number uh two on 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:03,440 the agenda 133 Marva Oaks. Um one is 20 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:05,760 just a letter of support for the project 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:10,320 that was included in the staff report 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:12,960 packet as well as um some recommended 23 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:15,360 condition changes from staff and um 24 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:19,040 assistant planner uh KGO will address 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:22,280 that during his presentation. 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,280 So noted, 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,920 we'll move on to our public comment 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,759 period. This is a chance for members of 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,479 the public to address the planning 30 00:01:29,759 --> 00:01:34,720 commission on items of interest to the 31 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:37,119 town of Woodside and the planning 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,840 commission, but which are not on 33 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:42,640 tonight's agenda. Uh such public 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,799 comments cannot be acted upon tonight or 35 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,680 discussed at length but may be referred 36 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:50,640 to staff or agendaized at a future 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:54,399 meeting. Um such public comments are 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:57,840 limited to five persons max at 3 minutes 39 00:01:54,399 --> 00:02:00,399 each. So is there anyone here tonight on 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Zoom or live that wants to speak on a 41 00:02:00,399 --> 00:02:04,920 topic not on tonight's agenda? 42 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:14,400 Oh, if you're interested in speaking, 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,640 please come up to the microphone. If you 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,360 grab the red lever, you can adjust the 45 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:22,360 microphone up and down. 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,360 » Sorry. 47 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:27,520 » Like you can move the whole 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,720 » Can you hear me? 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,160 » I know. Oh, here we go. Sorry. 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,440 » All good. 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:38,400 » How's that? If it's good for you, 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,319 » It's good. Sorry, I'm not very good with 53 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:46,319 speaking in front of a lot of people. 54 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:49,680 I'm going to actually read um Sorry, 55 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:52,400 sorry, need my glasses. 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,440 Um 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,599 to the chair, the vice chair online and 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,599 the members of the planning commission. 59 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:06,720 Good evening. My name is Terra Pachuan 60 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:09,200 and I reside at 164 Baret Road. Um, 61 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,360 thank you for volunteering your time and 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,000 service to our town. My family and I 63 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,800 truly appreciate it. Um, your your 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,280 dedication to the community. 65 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,599 I'm reading my comment to remain concise 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,879 and precise. So, please bear with my 67 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:28,000 reading. I respectfully request that my 68 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:30,239 statement be recorded verbatim in the 69 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:33,280 meeting minutes. I will also provide 70 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:37,040 this written copy to Julie um the town 71 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,440 clerk for the record. I'm here to raise 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:44,239 concerns regarding the proposed new 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:46,159 resident at 156 Bardet Road, my next 74 00:03:44,239 --> 00:03:48,239 door neighbor 75 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,799 as the immediate adjacent property 76 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:54,959 owner. um directly affected by the 77 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:58,640 design and the sitting of the project. 78 00:03:54,959 --> 00:04:01,120 The conceptual plan that was submitted 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,760 um and went on the review board on 80 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,959 November 17 81 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:10,000 uh last last year reflects unresolved 82 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:13,920 setback compliant issues including 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:16,560 approximately 10 uh foot encroachment 84 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,840 into the required setback along our 85 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:22,400 share property line. In addition, the 86 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:25,280 proposal does not meet cutback 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,919 requirements on the other three sides, 88 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:30,720 especially the front 89 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:34,880 due to the height of the new proposed 90 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:38,639 structure. The project also proposed 91 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:42,639 two tier retaining walls approximately 92 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:46,560 in combination 8.5 ft tall 93 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:49,040 along the frontage of Bed Road in order 94 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,840 to create a raised building path for the 95 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:55,040 new resident. So it's all can be in one 96 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:57,520 level ground. 97 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Um while these objective code compliant 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:03,600 matters remain unresolved, the project 99 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,960 has advanced to formal design. I 100 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:09,680 submitted an appeal of that advancement 101 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:13,280 respectfully requesting the applicant 102 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:16,160 first revise the plan to comply with the 103 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:19,039 applicable setback requirements and 104 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:22,400 other objective standard provisions of 105 00:05:19,039 --> 00:05:25,199 the uh municipal code and adjust the 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:29,440 story poles accordingly. So the 107 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:32,080 neighbors may meaningfully review a code 108 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:37,120 compliant design before the project 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:39,440 proceeds further and it has been not 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:42,880 unanswered. 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:45,280 In fact, my appeal was rejected. 112 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,520 I'm providing the commission with I'm 113 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:51,440 going to provide you guys with a copy of 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,600 my appeal. Um, I respectfully request 115 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,160 that this objective compliant issue be 116 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,320 addressed and resolved prior to any 117 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,680 advancement of the project to formal 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,160 design review. 119 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,400 » Thank you very much for your comments. 120 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,319 Um, 121 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:11,199 at this point I might ask Sage to step 122 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:15,039 in and address some of the 123 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:17,039 administrative issues. um um one of 124 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:18,800 which is being at what stage is this 125 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:21,440 particular project at? 126 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,160 » So the project uh has was submitted for 127 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,759 conceptual design review and so that's 128 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,759 the beginning part of the design review 129 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:32,880 process. um that went to the ASRB as the 130 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:35,039 speaker mentioned um at that time the 131 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,440 ASRB did not have significant concerns 132 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:40,000 with the general design of the project 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,680 and forward it to formal design review 134 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,039 and what the speaker has mentioned is 135 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,880 that um there are some areas where there 136 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:49,360 need to be corrections regarding 137 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,440 setbacks. Um they're not significant 138 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,440 issues. It's quite common at the 139 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,000 conceptual stage where everything is not 140 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,479 100% buttoned up. Um that's always been 141 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,080 the intent of the concept review. Uh we 142 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:05,360 actually don't even require a lot of 143 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:08,560 information that would um uh be a allow 144 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,440 us to verify 100% zoning compliance. Um 145 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:15,120 so with this project as it progresses 146 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:17,599 through the design review um process uh 147 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,599 they will have to be 100% zoning 148 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:22,319 compliant uh when they submit their 149 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:25,120 formal design review materials. if for 150 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:26,560 some reason they're making changes that 151 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 would provide significant design 152 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,199 changes, they would have to go back to 153 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:34,400 the ASRB for further review. Um, we have 154 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:36,960 met with the applicant. Um, there's a 155 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,720 couple they're going to do a minor shift 156 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,639 in where the building location, kind of 157 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,960 turn it a little bit. They're doing some 158 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:45,840 minor adjustments to the roof line and 159 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,840 it looks like they'll be able to um they 160 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,400 understand the issues that they have to 161 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:52,080 meet in terms of heights and setbacks. 162 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,759 uh and they will have to address those 163 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,280 items. Um given that the conceptual 164 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,280 design review is just the beginning part 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,919 of the design review process, that 166 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,720 process isn't complete yet. Um so no 167 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:08,319 action to approve or deny the project at 168 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:10,800 the concept stage uh is is done and so 169 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:14,240 therefore there's no action to appeal. 170 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Um so the speaker was notified um that 171 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,919 we couldn't process the appeal and we 172 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:22,879 note the concerns that are expressed. Um 173 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:26,639 we have also offered to we will continue 174 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:28,720 to make sure that she's contacted um 175 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,560 when the formal design review materials 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,840 are submitted. Um she can come down and 177 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,560 meet with us. We can go through those 178 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,880 materials in details. Um and any action 179 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:38,880 that's taken uh to complete the design 180 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,959 review process to approve or deny the 181 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:46,000 design um could be appealed at that 182 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:48,880 time. And so um it's been uh she met 183 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,640 with myself, town manager, um town 184 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,200 manager, town attorney, myself, we've 185 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,160 met several different times. Um it's 186 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:59,040 clearly consistent town practice. We've 187 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,200 never had an appeal um processed for 188 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,600 conceptual design review. So at this 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,080 particular stage, the design review 190 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,480 process is still ongoing and once we get 191 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,440 those detailed materials, they will have 192 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,040 to be 100% zoning compliant. Otherwise, 193 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,880 they can apply for an exception or 194 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,800 variance which would become before the 195 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,920 planning commission. Um, and speaking 196 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,839 with the applicant, they have no 197 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,120 intention to request any type of 198 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:23,200 exception that requires planning 199 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,519 commission review. Um, so they should 200 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,920 address these things as they've prevent 201 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:29,519 presented to us in a draft form um just 202 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,320 at a meeting. So, we don't have those 203 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:35,279 copies, but um the there will be more 204 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:38,800 opportunity to comment um and and 205 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:40,880 provide any uh recourse on whatever 206 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,959 decision is made at that time. 207 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,640 » Thank you very much, Sage. Ma'am, we 208 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:49,040 hear your concerns. Um is there anyone 209 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,360 else here tonight that wants to speak on 210 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,040 an item not on tonight's agenda, either 211 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,560 live or on Zoom? 212 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,839 » For those online, please use the raise 213 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,839 hand feature if you'd like to make a 214 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:58,839 comment. 215 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,120 There are no raise hands online. 216 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,680 » If not, may I have just one more minute, 217 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,200 please? 218 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:10,880 » Um, no, we need to move on to the agenda 219 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,480 items. Um, uh, for the people that came 220 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,040 here for the items that are on the 221 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,360 agenda. 222 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,000 » Well, I I just have one question, right? 223 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,720 Is that 224 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,120 » One question? 225 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:25,200 » Yeah. Um so because of 10 feet 226 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:28,640 encroachment is not minor and because of 227 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:31,040 that why does it get advancement to 228 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:34,160 formal design review to me now 229 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,640 » The town has not granted anything to the 230 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,399 applicant for that property so there's 231 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,360 nothing to appeal I think that's the key 232 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:41,519 issue right 233 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,000 » That's it and and the issue isn't a 234 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,000 10-ft difference it's it's when you have 235 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,320 to apply this 10-ft difference and what 236 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,399 the applicant is doing is lowering the 237 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,959 height so they don't have that issue and 238 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,800 they're slightly uh adjusting it. So 239 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:58,160 they will have to be 100% zoning 240 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,680 compliant and those design those will be 241 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,680 presented once we get those materials 242 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:03,680 » And it's sort of in their interest to 243 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,880 draw up their plans that they'll invest 244 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:08,399 a lot of money in. 245 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:11,120 » In your ASRB agenda, it say that any 246 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:13,200 decision made can be appealed. 247 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,200 » Well, I I'll pass this along. That's all 248 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,360 I wanted to do. Thank you for your time. 249 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,680 It can be appealed at an appropriate 250 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:24,000 time. Ma'am, so um 251 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:25,839 were there any other public commenters 252 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,399 online? 253 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:30,160 » No, there are no raised hands online. 254 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,000 » Okay, given that we will close the 255 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,399 public comment period and move on to the 256 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,399 consent calendar. 257 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:45,360 and the consent calendar. Um, the one 258 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,040 item on there is approval of the minutes 259 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:52,079 from our January 14th meeting. 260 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Is there anyone here, staff or 261 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:56,720 commission members, that would like to 262 00:11:53,600 --> 00:12:00,560 make a revision, elaboration, or changes 263 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:03,600 to the minutes as provided in the uh 264 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:05,200 meeting packet. 265 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,399 The chair would entertain a motion to 266 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,959 approve the minutes. 267 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:11,680 » So moved. 268 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:15,120 Second, please 269 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:16,160 second the motion. 270 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,720 » Chair Weaver. 271 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,560 » Yes. 272 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,040 » Commissioner Appfell. 273 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:20,560 » Yes. 274 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,040 » Commissioner Gonco. 275 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,079 » Yes. 276 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,560 » Commissioner Tober. 277 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:27,279 » Yes. 278 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:31,480 » Okay. We will move on to the main item 279 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:31,480 of the evening, which is 280 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,639 a discussion on a property at 133 Marva 281 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:42,480 Oaks Drive, which involves the granting 282 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:45,680 of a variance for a swimming pool 283 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:48,160 in uh in a setback. And I believe that 284 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:53,000 KGO is presenting the staff report. And 285 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:53,000 I will we will listen to you, Ko. 286 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:01,760 Hello and thank you. I will be 287 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,279 introducing the project at 133 Morbida 288 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Oaks Drive for planning commission 289 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,760 review. For this planning commission 290 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,600 review, the applicant requests approval 291 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,079 of a variance to the setback 292 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,480 requirements for the construction of a 293 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:17,519 new swimming pool that would encroach 294 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,839 into the required setback side setback. 295 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:21,600 This application is categorically exempt 296 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:26,800 under the California Environmental 297 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:29,360 Quality Act uh SQA guidelines 153003 298 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,360 section E uh which is new construction 299 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,399 of small structures including swimming 300 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,720 pools. And so uh the planning director 301 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:38,800 mentioned earlier uh there are two desk 302 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:41,120 items for tonight's hearing uh both 303 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,519 pertaining to this project. Uh one is 304 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,000 from an adjacent neighbor uh reiterating 305 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:48,160 his support for the project and is uh 306 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,360 attachment uh number six is the first 307 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:54,240 letter uh that that adjacent neighbor uh 308 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,760 originally sent um dated December 18th, 309 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,920 2025 310 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,639 uh expressing support uh for this 311 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,519 variance request. And the other desk 312 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:07,120 item tonight is amended language for the 313 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:09,680 resolution in particular condition one 314 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,560 uh F. 315 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:14,959 And this relates to the uh existing hot 316 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:18,399 tub, sauna, and deck area that is shown 317 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:22,000 near the near the um uh center portion 318 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:24,160 of the site. And uh just to give a brief 319 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,920 background, um since the completion of 320 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,440 the main residence, no recent permits 321 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,880 appear to have been issued for those 322 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:34,480 site improvements. Um originally the 323 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:37,440 staff has recommended for uh removal of 324 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,199 these unpermitted items. Uh however um 325 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,519 with this amended language, should the 326 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:43,920 homeowner decide to pursue the process 327 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,680 of getting these items permitted, um 328 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:50,199 town staff will be able to work with the 329 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,199 homeowner/applicant at that stage. 330 00:14:54,240 --> 00:15:00,399 So this is uh the aerial photograph of 331 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:04,160 133 Marbor Oaks. The subject site is 332 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:06,639 approximately 3.73 acres and is in the 333 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,040 RR zoning district. And so the basic 334 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:12,399 setbacks for this lot is 50 ft for all 335 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,240 sides. Uh the lot has roughly six sides 336 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:16,800 and extends significantly to the west 337 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,440 and north towards the Rayundo roadway on 338 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,519 the northern side. The overall site is 339 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,839 relatively flat on the southwestern 340 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:26,399 portion with a steep decline from the 341 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:28,560 southern to the northern side. Uh the 342 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:30,720 site contains an existing two-story 343 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,199 single family residence with an attached 344 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,800 garage and existing hardscape that are 345 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:37,120 located on a relatively flat 346 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,360 southwestern portion of the site. And 347 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,040 the project site also includes easements 348 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:45,240 uh for public utilities along the 349 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,240 western and northern sides. 350 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:51,959 It's a topographic survey for the 351 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,959 project site. 352 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,680 So the survey itself identifies areas of 353 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:59,759 the site that contain slopes in excess 354 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,360 of 35% 355 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:07,920 mostly along the southern portion. Uh 356 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:10,720 the side municipal code section 153 uh 357 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,720 section subsection 415 does not allow 358 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,240 for development on natural ground slopes 359 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:18,720 that exceed 35%. Uh however, development 360 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:22,000 will be allowed in man-made slopes in 361 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:25,120 excess of 35% uh so long as prior to the 362 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,040 slopes being man-made were also 35% or 363 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,920 less. And so the applicant also 364 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:32,079 submitted uh a geotechnical report uh 365 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,160 certified by civil engineer indicating 366 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:38,399 that the areas to be developed for the 367 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:40,480 proposed pool uh were on slopes um that 368 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:45,600 were man-made uh and prior to being 369 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:45,600 man-made were of 35% or less. 370 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:54,720 And this is the extent of the proposed 371 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:58,000 uh location of the uh pool uh to be 372 00:16:54,720 --> 00:17:00,560 encroached into the side setback. 373 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,959 And uh to give you a bit bit of a 374 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:07,039 reference, uh there are existing uh 375 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:09,120 permits um under separate review and 376 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:12,400 under a separate permit uh particularly 377 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:16,919 the ADU and the uh the lawn and the 378 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,919 surrounding deck area around the pool. 379 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:20,280 And so 380 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:24,839 uh the pool 381 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,679 The applicant is requesting approval of 382 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:35,360 a variance um as mentioned earlier to 383 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:37,760 locate a new swimming pool within the 384 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:41,679 side setback and at its closest point 385 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:45,880 from the property line it would be 14.83 386 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:45,880 ft from the side property line. 387 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:53,080 This is the uh proposed elevation 388 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,080 section of the pool. 389 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:59,960 The applicant has also provided uh 390 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,960 renderings of the pool. 391 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:08,080 And to your left are the uh the actual 392 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,880 physical materials of the pool as well 393 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,919 as a reference materials list for uh 394 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:17,679 other items uh that are also uh under 395 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:21,120 separate uh review uh such as the ADU 396 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:25,280 and for the decks. And so for the pool 397 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:28,080 uh they are um proposing uh wooden deck 398 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,960 tiles for the exterior and pool coping 399 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,400 uh with this uh darker shade color as 400 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,880 you can see on the bottom right of this 401 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,880 materials board. 402 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,760 And so findings have been provided by 403 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,160 the applicant. Uh the applicant is 404 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,000 requesting a setback variance uh for 405 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,160 with the following reasons uh listed 406 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,480 below. And to quickly summarize, the 407 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,240 applicant has stated that the design 408 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,720 proposal and variance request is 409 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,720 consistent with the zoning ordinance and 410 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,720 that it avoids development in areas of 411 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,960 the site that might result in erosion, 412 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,760 earth movement and degradation of water 413 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,919 quality. Thereby preserving the natural 414 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,440 and scenic character of the town by 415 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:10,160 retaining most of the property in its 416 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,679 natural state. Also that the strict 417 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:14,080 application application of the 418 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:16,480 provisions of the zoning ordinance would 419 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,320 result in uh requesting for a variance 420 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,280 to develop in areas of the property that 421 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,200 are heavily wooded and steep uh 422 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,280 requiring significant retaining walls 423 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,080 fill and tree destruction. therefore 424 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,679 creating a greater environmental impact 425 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,240 and also that the swimming pool would 426 00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:34,640 not be visible from the road and the 427 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,360 proposed ADU under a separate permit 428 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,760 would act as a visual and noise barrier 429 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:42,080 and the tree screening that exists uh 430 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,720 between the two properties would obscure 431 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,360 much of the view um of the pool from the 432 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,320 adjacent property. 433 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:54,320 And so town staff has also uh prepared 434 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:57,280 findings as well uh citing um elements 435 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:02,320 from the Woodside general plan. Uh goal 436 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:05,760 in particular goals open space 1.1 437 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,480 uh conservation uh goal 1.1 and land use 438 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:11,039 1.2 two which are regulating land use 439 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,360 and development to conserve open space 440 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:16,080 uh limiting the intensity of development 441 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:19,200 on steep hillsides and uh protecting 442 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:21,039 lives and property. 443 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,919 So that concludes my presentation. Staff 444 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:26,640 is happy to answer any questions. Um the 445 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:28,159 applicant has also uh directed story 446 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,159 polls at least 10 days before the 447 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:31,520 hearing date and the applicant is also 448 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:35,240 here in attendance to answer any 449 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,240 questions. Thank you. 450 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:44,640 Alex, you got any questions for Keo? 451 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:46,400 Richard? 452 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:50,320 » None for me. 453 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:53,360 » Uh, neither do I. Um, 454 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:56,080 at that point, if the applicant wants to 455 00:20:53,360 --> 00:21:00,520 make a presentation, you are welcome to 456 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,520 do so, although it is not required. 457 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,240 I promise to keep it short and sweet. 458 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:12,320 Um, unfortunately the applicant would 459 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,480 have loved to been here to uh go over 460 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,600 the project with you. He's off on a on a 461 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,960 ski vacation in Colorado and regrets 462 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:23,360 being here and but uh he's what he's 463 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,919 looking for is he's trying to create a 464 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:29,039 environment for his kids and his family 465 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:31,760 for outdoor use of the space. The site, 466 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:35,520 as you've gotten the explanation from 467 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:37,679 KGO, is very constrained. Um, and there 468 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:40,559 really isn't much areas where you can 469 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:43,280 keep a swimming pool close to the house 470 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:46,080 and and also be part of the, you know, 471 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,400 the family environment. So, when we 472 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,960 started designing all this, we we you 473 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,960 know, we added in a there was an ADU 474 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,919 that was part of the part of the program 475 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,360 as well as a swimming pool. And because 476 00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:59,039 of the grade differential, there's a 477 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:02,320 there's an area underneath the house 478 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:04,960 that allows for uh pool 479 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:09,000 functions and, you know, pool house type 480 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,000 stuff. Um 481 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:16,320 the neighbors have all looked at it and 482 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:19,360 have approved. In fact, John's here. Um 483 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,360 and uh he's the adjacent neighbor and 484 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:25,120 you know, everybody's everybody likes 485 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:27,039 the idea that we can tell. So, um, it's 486 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,400 a very constrained site and we, you 487 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:31,440 know, I think the findings are pretty 488 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,640 clear in terms of what, uh, how it meets 489 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,400 the requirements of the town of 490 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Woodside. 491 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,919 There any questions? I We have, we have 492 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,720 some more pictures, but it's basically 493 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:43,760 the same as already what Keo showed. So, 494 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,600 any questions? 495 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,640 » Do any commissioners have questions for 496 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,280 the applicant? 497 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:51,280 » I have a couple. Um, thank you very 498 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,640 much. I I was able to get site today, so 499 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,320 I appreciate that I had a chance to look 500 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:58,880 at it. Um, can you just um help me 501 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,440 understand what what is down below in 502 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,360 that large swale? Is that is that the 503 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,840 sites owner's property or is that 504 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,200 » Yes. 505 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,559 » What does it what does it go up against? 506 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,240 I'm just curious. I couldn't even tell. 507 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,559 » There's a swale. There's a there's a 508 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,679 eerial stream that runs through that. 509 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:14,400 So, you can see the kind of white 510 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:16,799 section between the two. 511 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,600 » Um, so it's it's a it's really a big 512 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:22,320 valley. Um, and you can see all of the 513 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,240 all the 35% slopes 514 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,799 above and some of the stuff on the right 515 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,039 hand side of that are man-made 516 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:30,880 report, 517 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:33,520 » But that goes down. And what does that 518 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,720 abut against? What's on the 519 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,200 » There's another There's another house 520 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,360 that there's other houses to the to the 521 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,720 both above, below, and to the sides. 522 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,120 » Okay. I I couldn't even see the house 523 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,400 below. That's why I was asking. Sorry, I 524 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,919 wasn't trying to trip you up. 525 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,000 » Yeah. So, so that gives you a period of, 526 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:49,520 you know, of what's of what's out there. 527 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,880 » Got it. Got it. Okay. Thanks for 528 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,039 clarifying. And then my only other 529 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,280 question, forgive me if this is seems 530 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,520 presumptuous or or maybe aggressive, but 531 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,760 I'm just curious, why why are why why 532 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,600 are you not doing this as part of the AD 533 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,280 why are they separate? Why is the ADUP 534 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,960 separate from the pool? Was there any 535 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 thought about doing it as one cohesive? 536 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,880 » Because we want to be able to start 537 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,840 construction on the on the ADU this this 538 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,960 spring. 539 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,279 » Okay. Okay. And there is and there's 540 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,440 work there that needs to get done. And 541 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:17,039 the variance process, you know, is going 542 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,480 to take a little bit of time plus, you 543 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:22,080 know, getting that stuff done. So, our 544 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:24,320 hope here is to get this through the 545 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,080 through the this variance process and 546 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,679 then get it in for construction. 547 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,120 » Understood. Thanks for clarifying. I 548 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:35,000 have no other questions. 549 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:35,000 » Richard, got any question? 550 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,679 Alex? 551 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,640 » Okay. Um, 552 00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:41,200 » Thank you. If you got any other 553 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,880 questions, let me know. 554 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,279 » I do not have any questions. 555 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,640 » Okay. 556 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:49,520 » In that case, 557 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:52,080 we will open the public comment period 558 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,240 on this variance hearing. So, if there 559 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,520 are any members of the public that wish 560 00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:00,880 to address the planning commission 561 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,960 regarding this uh uh potential variance, 562 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,200 please come up to the mic or if you're 563 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,200 on Zoom, raise your hand and speak up 564 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,200 now. 565 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:17,440 John, I know that you know how to move 566 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,559 the microphone up and down the 567 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,120 » Been here before. 568 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,120 » You've been here before. 569 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:32,960 » I'm John Hughes. I own the property to 570 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:36,960 the uh north and west of the subject 571 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:41,520 property. And uh I uh we first bought 572 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:45,679 the land there in 2006. We built uh our 573 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:50,480 home from 2006 to 2008. 574 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:57,279 And um uh and as we were building our 575 00:25:50,480 --> 00:26:00,320 home, I personally I I like trees. So I 576 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:02,720 personally made sure that we had a whole 577 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:08,559 line of trees 578 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:15,200 uh planted 17 years ago uh all along our 579 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:16,799 uh um uh uh border with 133. We're in 580 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,440 117. 581 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:23,440 133 is immediately to the south uh west 582 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:28,000 of us. Uh why did I do that? And is 583 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:32,640 because the previous uh one of the the 584 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:36,640 owner when we moved in uh was uh a uh 585 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:41,600 older gentleman. He had a junkyard in 586 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:46,080 his backyard. It was awful. He had three 587 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:49,440 awful uh um uh trailers. of what uh uh 588 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,039 the people lived in and that there was a 589 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,799 constant I don't know you pick up people 590 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,279 at one of the local bars, bring them 591 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:57,760 they lived there. Oh, it was really 592 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:01,760 awful. And I just the only thing we 593 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:04,880 could do is uh patch the fence. So, make 594 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:08,159 sure the fence was and then uh plant all 595 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,960 these trees. Well, 17 years later, these 596 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:14,880 trees have done what we wanted them to 597 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:18,640 do and the property is now under uh 598 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:23,279 competent ownership and we love it. That 599 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:25,679 is just the way we want it. We can't see 600 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:28,640 anything that's going on in that 601 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:31,919 property from the upper deck of our 602 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,840 house, which is generally where our uh 603 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:36,400 living room and kitchen is. It's it's 604 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:40,320 quite a bit above the so even when we 605 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:43,919 look down on it we can't see. And uh 606 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,600 immediately on our side of the fence is 607 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:47,200 uh one of our vineyards. We have two 608 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,200 vineyards, one in the north and one in 609 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,799 the south. This is a south vineyard. 610 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:56,480 There is nobody near this uh swimming 611 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:59,600 pool within hundreds of feet who is who 612 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,799 would ever be uh inconvenienced with it 613 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:07,200 in a in the current setting. So, we uh 614 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:11,679 strongly uh request that this uh setback 615 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,520 be approved because at least we have 616 00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:16,399 only good things to say about our 617 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,440 neighbors and about what he's doing. 618 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:22,480 Second point I'd like to make, I was 619 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,600 astounded to to read in the materials 620 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:29,120 before coming here about the sauna and 621 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:32,880 everything that uh was supposedly 622 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:36,320 unpermitted. What I want to say is we 623 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:39,279 never knew about it. We it was all 624 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:43,039 blocked. It's so it even the the the 625 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:46,480 sauna on that property is certainly from 626 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:48,960 our perspective not any kind of 627 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:54,559 impediment to the view to anything. We 628 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:58,240 can't see it. So uh again we uh from our 629 00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:01,760 perspective we'd uh hope that uh this is 630 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:06,480 resolved uh uh both the towns and the 631 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:09,120 applicants uh uh um uh mutual uh 632 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,960 interests. So thank you very much for 633 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,039 your attention. Is there any question? 634 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,520 Anybody have any question for me? I'd be 635 00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:19,440 glad to I have a quite a history with 636 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,919 this house next door. Uh, so I've we've 637 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,679 watched it for a long time. 638 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:27,520 » Does anyone have any questions for John 639 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:29,840 since he is the neighbor who's 640 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,240 on the property 641 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,720 um affected by the setback? 642 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,679 » Okay. 643 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,320 » No questions. 644 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:35,279 » Okay. 645 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,799 » Okay. Thank you. 646 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,799 » Thank you, John. 647 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,840 » Is there anyone else here live in the 648 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,520 room that wants to speak? 649 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,559 Failing that. Is there anyone on Zoom 650 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,480 that wants to speak? 651 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:48,480 » No, we have no raised hands online. 652 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,320 If no one else in the room wants to 653 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,880 speak, I will close the public comment 654 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,640 period and we can move on to 655 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:04,240 commissioner deliberation on this topic. 656 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Who wants to start? 657 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,360 » You're looking at me. Um well I'm 658 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,440 persuaded by all all of the applicants 659 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:15,760 uh findings uh specifically finding 660 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:18,000 number two that rejecting this variance 661 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,000 would force them down into an 662 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,679 environmental 663 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,919 hit I'll call it down at the bottom of 664 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:26,799 that swale. This is clearly the best 665 00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:28,880 location for it. Um, I'm also quite 666 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:31,120 pleased that the really the only 667 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,799 neighbor affected not only wrote a 668 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,600 letter but came tonight and spoke very 669 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,919 eloquently about their support or his 670 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,880 support of the project. So, I'm fully 671 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:41,880 supportive. I see no issues. 672 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,279 » Use the microphone, Alex. 673 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,960 » There you go. Sage, I have a quick 674 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,760 question. You have a desk item here when 675 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,360 we arrived and and under the original 676 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,640 packet, 677 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,960 it addressed the unpermitted Anna and 678 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,679 hot tub. And I think on the desk item 679 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:10,399 that was here when I arrived, there's an 680 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:14,399 alternative. 681 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:19,120 And the alternative is to pass this and 682 00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:22,000 require the applicant to get the sauna 683 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,640 and the hot tub permitted by the time 684 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,360 this swimming pool is finally approved. 685 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,520 Is that correct? 686 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,120 » That's correct. So, yes, it's it's just 687 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,039 really clarifying the different options 688 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,919 that the applicant has. They can either 689 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:35,679 remove the work or they can pursue 690 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,120 obtaining permits. From a planning 691 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:41,120 perspective, location, paved area, 692 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,039 things of that nature. It's unlikely 693 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,799 there will be any significant issues 694 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,200 from a planning perspective. We'll look 695 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,039 at those details closer when the uh when 696 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,159 if a permit submitted. And then they'll 697 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,559 also work with the building department 698 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:54,880 to make sure they comply with all those 699 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:57,039 uh requirements for a permit. So, um the 700 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640 desk item that you have is simply 701 00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,279 clarifying the two different options 702 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:05,519 that the applicant can pursue. And yes, 703 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,080 they would do that um kind of uh uh 704 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,919 » Parallel 705 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,880 » Parallel with with the swimming pool 706 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:12,399 project. 707 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,960 » So, so I'm I'm persuaded. I mean, for 708 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:17,120 the reasons that Matt mentioned, you 709 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,399 know, this I've been to this site, it is 710 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,120 severely constrained with slopes. 711 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:24,640 the variance, you know, as a neighbor 712 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,720 spoke, I mean, it's it's not an 713 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,720 intrusion on the neighbor's property, 714 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,159 but I just want to make sure that of the 715 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,960 two options that we have, I am for the 716 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:38,000 option of having this run in parallel, 717 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,880 that is not delay this, but require the 718 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,120 applicant to get the get the unpermitted 719 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,200 structures permitted and hopefully it 720 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,640 all by the time the final approval 721 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,120 happens, it all happens at the same 722 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:53,200 time. So that's that's the flavor of the 723 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:56,720 motion that I am inclined to support. 724 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,760 » So you were in favor of the revised 725 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,399 » I was 726 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,440 » Resolution as written or did you want 727 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:02,399 tweaks to that? 728 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440 » No, as written. 729 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:05,679 » Okay. Okay. 730 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,919 » In the desk in desk item number two. 731 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:10,919 » Okay. 732 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,919 Richard, 733 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:18,880 » I don't have anything to add either 734 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:23,039 other than to echo what's been said 735 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:25,519 before that this is a good example of 736 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,840 neighbors cooperating. 737 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,080 And I think that the Burmans are very 738 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:33,919 lucky to have Mr. Hughes as a neighbor 739 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:38,000 and and the fact he has no problem with 740 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:40,799 this. Um, so it's always good policy to 741 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,320 get along with your neighbors. So 742 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:47,760 unless any other commissioner has a 743 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:51,880 comment to make, I would the chair would 744 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,880 entertain motions on this. 745 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,559 » Go ahead. 746 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,559 » It is. 747 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,919 » It is. 748 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:07,039 So it is the So um the commissioner is 749 00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:09,679 asking for which flavor is it and it's 750 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,320 the flavor that says alternatively the 751 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,000 owner may pursue permit approval of the 752 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,159 unpermitted development if the 753 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,839 development complies with all permit 754 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,399 requirements from all applicable 755 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,000 agencies and obtains permit issuance 756 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:25,520 prior to the start of construction of 757 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,440 the swimming pool. And then it says, if 758 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,000 the owner pursues permit approval of the 759 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,800 unpermitted items listed in condition 760 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,119 one, if 761 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,359 if those permits shall pass final 762 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:39,520 inspection before or at the same time as 763 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:41,599 the permits for the swimming pool. If 764 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,440 the owner proposes to remove the 765 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,919 unpermitted items, the unpermitted items 766 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,960 shall be removed prior to the passing of 767 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:51,599 final inspection for the swimming pool. 768 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,240 So that would allow both projects that 769 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,159 would allow the pool to start. 770 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,920 » That's correct. They could uh pursue the 771 00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:00,320 permits for the pool in parallel with 772 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,720 the other permits or even ahead of the 773 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,000 other permits. Um I've I've spoken with 774 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,200 the applicant and um looking they they 775 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,280 just wanted to make sure it didn't hold 776 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,160 up their building permit for the pool. 777 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,720 Uh so the way it's written um it's all 778 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,640 fine and agreeable and they can uh 779 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:19,760 pursue that prior to the construction of 780 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,760 the pool. 781 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,640 Perfect. I mean, I I'll make a motion on 782 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,800 the 133 Marv Oaks Drive with regards to 783 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,200 the variance request. 784 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:34,400 I move that we approve the motion with 785 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,000 uh um with the conditions that I just 786 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,040 read 787 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,520 found in desk item number two. 788 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,640 » Second. 789 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,200 » Chair Weaver. 790 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,560 » Yes. 791 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,119 » Commissioner Abfel, 792 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,240 » Yes. 793 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,839 » Commissioner Gonarco, 794 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:54,079 » Yes. Commissioner Tober. 795 00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:55,680 » Yes. All right. Takes care of this item. 796 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,400 Sage, what else do you have for us 797 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,599 tonight? 798 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:05,040 » Um, just a couple brief reports. We we 799 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:07,520 have the the January director's report. 800 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,880 Um, just notable, you know, kind of the 801 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,119 new thing we've kind of focused on with 802 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,839 these is that looking at housing 803 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:16,720 numbers. Uh unfortunately in January 804 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:19,440 there were no permits issued um for ADUs 805 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:22,000 or single family dwellings. Um but I I 806 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,040 did take a peek into February just to 807 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,520 give a little um better news uh that 808 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,119 within within the first 10 days of 809 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,839 February already three permits have been 810 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:34,960 issued um for new units. Um I think one 811 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:36,560 house and two ADUs. And so, uh, you 812 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,960 know, different months yield different 813 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,880 numbers and hopefully we stay on track, 814 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:46,240 uh, for our goals of at least 15 ADUs 815 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,200 per year, but, um, hopefully per our 816 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:52,560 last few years, over 20 would be great. 817 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,800 Um, and then that's it for that stuff, 818 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,880 but I do just want to thank Commissioner 819 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:01,359 Abfell. Um, this is his last meeting. um 820 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,359 uh he's served on the ASRB as well as 821 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:05,520 the planning commission for a number of 822 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:07,680 years. Been a 823 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,359 great contribution to the community. So, 824 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440 just want to say thank you very much for 825 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,920 serving. Um it's it's been great to work 826 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,760 with you. 827 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480 » Thank Thank you, Sage and team. I really 828 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,160 appreciate it. 829 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,000 » It has been a pleasure to work with you, 830 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,000 Matt. 831 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,440 » I would just encourage the thousands of 832 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,040 people in the room and the millions of 833 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400 people watching at home to get involved 834 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,359 with public service. It's actually 835 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,599 really great in this town. 836 00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:30,599 Thank you. 837 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,440 » All right. There being nothing else on 838 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:39,000 the agenda, we will close this meeting. 839 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,000 Thank you very much, everybody.