1 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:06,400 Hey, it is 7 o'clock, so we're going to 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,800 call the town council meeting of March 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,840 10th, 2026 to order. Jennifer, will you 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,639 take role? 5 00:00:12,639 --> 00:00:14,000 >> Council member Alberish 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,400 >> here. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:15,360 >> Council member Brown 8 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:15,759 >> here. 9 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:17,119 >> Council member Gold here. 10 00:00:17,119 --> 00:00:18,560 >> Council member Wall 11 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,279 >> here. 12 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:20,720 >> Mayor Donowski 13 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,480 >> here. Thank you. Uh and we'll move on to 14 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,240 the pledge of allegiance. Council member 15 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:28,240 Brown, will you lead us in the pledge of 16 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:38,069 allegiance? 17 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:49,029 for it stands nationisy. 18 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,000 » Thank you, Dick. 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Okay, we're going to move on to public 20 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,960 comment. So, persons wishing to address 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,120 the council on non-aggendaized items 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,800 that are within the jurisdiction of the 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,760 town are invited to do so. Please note, 24 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,400 however, that the council is not able uh 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,240 we're actually got we have a one speaker 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,040 to go first just in a moment. Uh we're 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,560 not able to undertake extended 28 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,560 discussions or to act on non-aggendaized 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,479 items. Such items can be referred to 30 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:18,320 staff for appropriate action which may 31 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:21,040 include placement on a future agenda. 32 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,960 This communication period is limited to 33 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,680 five persons, three minutes each. Any 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,759 additional persons will be heard at the 35 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:29,360 end of regular business, and we're going 36 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,880 to be sticking to that tonight. We have 37 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,240 a lot of people here to talk about the 38 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,680 housing element. So, we're going to make 39 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,560 sure that we respect everyone uh who is 40 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,159 here for an agenda item. So, we're going 41 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,759 to take five speakers up front. And uh I 42 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:45,040 am inviting our outside council, Rick 43 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,360 Balanos, to speak first. And I'm doing 44 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,880 this because we've had some specific 45 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 requests from the public for an update 46 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,119 on the situation with town manager Led 47 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:56,479 Better. Mr. Balanos, 48 00:01:56,479 --> 00:01:57,600 welcome. 49 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,079 >> Thank you. 50 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:03,109 >> Please. 51 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:05,439 » Very good. Can you hear me? 52 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:06,240 >> Yes. 53 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,680 >> Good evening. Good evening, mayor, 54 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,840 members of the council, members of the 55 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,840 public. 56 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,520 My name is Richard Bologanos. I'm a 57 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,040 partner with the law firm of Liber 58 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,360 Cassidy Whitmore and I serve as outside 59 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,840 counsel for the town of Woodside. My 60 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,080 office is advising the town on the 61 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,000 whistleblower report that was released 62 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,400 to the public on February 19th by town 63 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,040 manager Jason Ledbet. I wanted to 64 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,440 provide a following summary of the 65 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,360 events leading up to the publication of 66 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,920 Mr. Leadbet's report and also provide a 67 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,680 summary of the town's response to that 68 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,599 report and the status of this matter. 69 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,000 On January 13th of this year, following 70 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Mr. Lead Better's performance review, 71 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,560 the town council approved an amendment 72 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,560 to Mr. Led Better's employment 73 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,040 agreement, by which he was given a 74 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,680 $15,000 raise, increasing his annual 75 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,879 salary to 315,000. 76 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,599 On Tuesday, February 17th, Mr. Lead 77 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:05,920 Better made a demand for payment of 78 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,560 approximately $400,000 in a lump sum 79 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,360 into his bank account. no later than 80 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,120 midnight, Sunday, February 22nd. 81 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,040 He indicated that if the council did not 82 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,040 authorize this payment, he would release 83 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,319 a whistleblower report, grind all town 84 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:24,720 business to a halt, and make every 85 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,800 public meeting all about the alleged 86 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,519 claims in the report. 87 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,200 The council met in close session to 88 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,519 discuss this matter. In that closed 89 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:35,280 session, Mr. Leb better repeated his 90 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,879 demands and moved the payment deadline 91 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:42,159 up to Friday, February 20th. 92 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:44,080 The council rejected Mr. Leb better's 93 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,680 demand and although his employment 94 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,799 agreement provides for no severance in 95 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:51,120 the event of his resignation, 96 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,360 the council offered to work with Mr. Led 97 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Better to reach terms for an amicle 98 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,360 settlement in accordance with his 99 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,920 employment agreement while referring his 100 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,120 complaints to the appropriate 101 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,000 authorities for investigation. 102 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,920 When advised of this, Mr. Leb better 103 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,720 released his report to the public. As 104 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,799 promised, the council has referred the 105 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:13,599 report and Mr. Leb better's demands to 106 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,560 the Santel County District Attorney with 107 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,440 a request for investigation. 108 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,519 The town staff and council are fully 109 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:23,120 cooperating with the district attorney's 110 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,520 office. Mr. Led Better's claims of 111 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,199 gender discrimination and harassment 112 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:28,720 have been referred to an independent 113 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,360 investigator and that investigation is 114 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,360 underway as well. Finally, I understand 115 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,759 you will receive a public report tonight 116 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:39,680 regarding the town's progress in meeting 117 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,240 the milestones outlined in the town's 118 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,880 certified housing element. 119 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,560 Mr. Lead Better is currently on paid 120 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 administrative leave as the above 121 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,600 reference investigations are conducted. 122 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,759 My office is now reviewing documents to 123 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:55,919 respond to several public records act 124 00:04:55,919 --> 00:04:58,560 requests for information and responsive 125 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 documents will be released as soon as 126 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,360 that review is completed. 127 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,240 As indicated, the town council and staff 128 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,080 are cooperating with all requests from 129 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,240 the district attorney's office and the 130 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,240 independent investigator. 131 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,160 While these inquiries are ongoing, the 132 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,560 council has been instructed 133 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,400 that no further public comments are to 134 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,919 be made and they are respecting that 135 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:22,320 instruction in order to allow for a 136 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,960 full, fair, and impartial inquiry to be 137 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,039 undertaken. Thank you. 138 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:31,039 >> Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Blanos. 139 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,240 With that, uh, next speaker, and we're 140 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,440 going to take five and then we're going 141 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,039 to the rest are going to go at the end. 142 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:37,360 So, 143 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,880 >> Steve, Steve Luben, uh, I I'm distressed 144 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,120 to hear the report you just heard. It 145 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,759 indicates, you know, further kind of 146 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,039 nonpublic investigation into this. Let 147 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:51,039 me go into my statement. Reading the 148 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:52,720 allegations against council members 149 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,639 contained in Jason Jason Lebet's 150 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:57,120 whistleblower letter, I am saddened and 151 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,680 exasperated. The accusations are serious 152 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,919 and not inconsistent with my personal 153 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:04,319 experience. We must find a way to 154 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:06,479 resolve this issue in order to restore 155 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:08,880 the public trust. Right now, people are 156 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,880 confused, upset, and trying to figure 157 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,440 out the truth. I believe we need a truly 158 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,520 independent investigation to clear this 159 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,759 up. There should not be any appearance 160 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,400 that council members are un unduly 161 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,080 influencer interfering with this 162 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,080 investigation. 163 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,639 Please acknowledge that many people in 164 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:28,960 town do not trust the town government is 165 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,440 conducted in an open manner. There is a 166 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,360 perception that issues are determined 167 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,400 out of the public eye. Jason's letter 168 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,880 reinforces this perception. An 169 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,120 independent investigation 170 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,280 and a really independent investigation 171 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,000 is needed to determine the truth. 172 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,080 Council members Dumbrosski and Gold 173 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,919 should consider recusing themselves from 174 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:51,440 any discussions involving this 175 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,240 investigation. An investigation should 176 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,720 be selected in a public process, not by 177 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,120 the town attorney or the council behind 178 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,639 closed doors. Please agendaize action on 179 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:04,960 an independent investigation of these 180 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,280 corruption claims at your next meeting. 181 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:09,199 Let's work together to resolve this 182 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,440 quickly. 183 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,599 >> Okay. And as a reminder, the complaint 184 00:07:13,599 --> 00:07:15,199 will be addressed in an appropriate 185 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,680 process, and we're here to respect that. 186 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,639 >> Hi, Don Pew, a 55 year resident of 187 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:21,919 Woodside. 188 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:23,759 >> We're all aware and reading the news 189 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:25,520 about the political crap that's going on 190 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,319 in Washington DC and in Sacramento. But 191 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,160 to realize this kind of crap is going on 192 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,800 in Woodside is very distressing. Now I 193 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,560 got to know Jason and I've worked with 194 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,039 him. He's a great guy, very smart, very 195 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:38,880 knowledgeable, very supportive of the 196 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,120 things in the town, eager to help and I 197 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,680 think he truly loved this town. But I 198 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,199 was very distressed to read his 199 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:47,680 complaint, but it follows on to some 200 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 concerns that I've had for a while. So 201 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,520 what brought it on? Political games crap 202 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,479 by Brian Dowski and Chris Shaw. Those 203 00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,240 two people have been dealing this with 204 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,560 the crap for a couple years now. This 205 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,800 political garbage has been going on. It 206 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 was apparent with a plan to bulldoze the 207 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,560 open space at Kinyatta Corners. Brian, 208 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,280 Chris, you were playing political games. 209 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,919 Dishonesty, lies, deceit that supported 210 00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:16,960 the wealthy owner of the bakery, much to 211 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,360 the detriment of the town citizens. 212 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,280 Violation of the general plan, Brown Act 213 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,599 violations, all goes back. We've been 214 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:26,400 doing this for years now. Now, the issue 215 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,160 for Kinyata Corn is still in litigation, 216 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,840 but the town is going to lose because 217 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,159 they had very shaky grounds to even 218 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,519 start this whole thing from. So, Brian, 219 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,000 you and Chris, why did you finagle to 220 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 help a private business increase their 221 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,479 profit? This is something I've yet to 222 00:08:42,479 --> 00:08:45,279 hopefully get out someday. Now, we need 223 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,680 a real independent investigation to 224 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:51,200 determine the allegations that Jason has 225 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,080 made to make sure it's truthful. And I 226 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,760 don't want anybody with a loyalty to 227 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Jean. I know you have got your own ideas 228 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,080 and hopefully it can be totally 229 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,080 independent to investigate cuz there's 230 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,399 some real serious going on in this 231 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:06,480 town and I am very distressed to find 232 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,000 it. 233 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,480 Thank you for your minutes. 234 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,040 >> Thank you. And once again, we are here 235 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,600 to respect the process and uh we'll get 236 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,360 into specific details when we can. We're 237 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,040 going to take one from the Zoom room. 238 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:26,230 Miss New. 239 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,839 » Hi, good evening. My name is Kristen 240 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:31,519 New. I live in Grand View. Um, I am 241 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:36,880 echoing the the urgings of others to 242 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,480 conduct a thorough investigation into 243 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,399 the allegations that were put forth. You 244 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,080 know, everyone's innocent until proven 245 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,200 guilty. But I really, it was very 246 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,200 distressing to me as a as a lifelong 247 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,920 resident of Woodside to read this letter 248 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,760 and I'm 249 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,440 I don't quite know I still don't quite 250 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,600 know what to make of it. Um, but thank 251 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,440 you very much for, you know, your 252 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,120 commitment to having an independent 253 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,040 investigation and I I truly hope that will be a very transparent and 254 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,360 public process and the results be 255 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,120 transparent and public as well. Thank 256 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,399 you. 257 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:12,560 >> Thank you, Miss New. Uh we are all 258 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,240 committed to a thorough and complete 259 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,800 process. Appreciate that. 260 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,079 >> Yes sir. 261 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:23,920 >> Um that's great to hear. Um I think the ask that others have voiced and 262 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,160 we've talked about is somewhat putting 263 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,440 your thumb on the scale to make sure 264 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,440 that the public really feels like that 265 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,640 is a process that they can trust in. I'm 266 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,560 new to the town. I've gotten involved 267 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,880 and I've everyone has very differing 268 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,959 opinions on things and things I don't 269 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:41,200 know about things that predate me and 270 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,480 obviously a lot of the allegations are 271 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,640 pretty serious. We're always going to 272 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,240 have these like disagreements about like 273 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,839 should we do this if we do that then 274 00:10:47,839 --> 00:10:49,920 these people are angry if we do that for 275 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,279 them then those people are angry. It's 276 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:52,959 tough. So it's really important to have 277 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,200 things in the open and restore the 278 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,440 public trust and this investigation 279 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,079 should be indicative of that. Um, so I 280 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:03,760 would request that you guys um put uh an 281 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,640 agenda item on your next meeting that 282 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,560 Brian and Paul recuse yourselves. We'll 283 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,320 still remain have or we'll still have a 284 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,000 quorum and that you guys will elect a 285 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,839 independent investigator for the claims 286 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:18,640 specifically to Brian and Paul, not 287 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,399 necessarily the independent 288 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:23,360 investigation um uh that were also made 289 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:24,800 in the the whistleblower complaint. So 290 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,360 my request is to in the next meeting 291 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,680 agendaize uh hiring an independent 292 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,680 investigation in addition to the 293 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,519 concurrent in independent investigation 294 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:38,880 to res to restore public trust. Um 295 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,200 so yeah, thank you. I know it's tough, 296 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,720 but it's really important to restore 297 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:43,600 public trust. 298 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,839 >> We completely agree. Uh Gan or Rick, do 299 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:47,600 you want to weigh in on the process here 300 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:53,030 a little bit? Jean or No. 301 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,200 » As Mr. Mr. Vanos indicated uh the claims 302 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,720 have been referred to the district 303 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,399 attorney's office. That is a completely 304 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:00,480 independent investigation. Um and 305 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,800 through the town's insurance carrier, uh 306 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,560 an independent investigator has been 307 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,399 assigned to investigate the other 308 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:08,720 claims. Uh no one at a staff level or at 309 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,880 a council level uh is involved in that 310 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,560 other than if you're asked to be 311 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,480 interviewed in that. Um we will comply 312 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,079 with those requests. 313 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:18,320 >> Very good. Thank you. And uh we will 314 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,399 recognize our fifth and final opening 315 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,399 speaker tonight. 316 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,480 My name is Martin Walker. I'm a longtime 317 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,350 resident of the town. 318 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,320 » Excuse me. Um, 319 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,560 after I received or after I saw a copy 320 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,480 of the town's email relating to Jason's 321 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,079 lead better complaint, uh, I noticed I I 322 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:43,519 saw that there were several issues that 323 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,560 relate specifically to town governance. 324 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,680 And uh and these these issues feed the 325 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,079 general perception that the much town 326 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:54,959 business is conducted behind the scenes 327 00:12:54,959 --> 00:12:57,279 and this violates the Brown Act of 328 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:00,079 course and and it's my belief that the 329 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:02,160 town should treat the Brown Act as a 330 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,560 beacon for good governance and best 331 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:07,680 practices for open meetings 332 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:09,760 and accordingly the town should open an 333 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,320 investigation into the possible Brown 334 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Act violations including those raised in 335 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Jason's complaint and others. And the 336 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,839 results of this investigation should 337 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:21,839 include recommendations for best 338 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:24,639 practices in maintaining and regarding 339 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,480 open meetings. 340 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,160 And in I join uh in and in order to 341 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,920 avoid even the appearance of more bad 342 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,000 governance, individuals directly 343 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:39,120 implicated in the in these allegations 344 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,720 should recuse themselves from the 345 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,480 process. and in my view specifically 346 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,720 uh council members Dumbrosski and Gold 347 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,720 as well as the town attorney. Thank you. 348 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,639 >> Thank you very much. We are going to 349 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,639 close opening 350 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,800 communications and we'll be moving on to 351 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,959 the consent calendar. 352 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:01,680 All items on the consent are considered 353 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,279 routine will be approved by one roll 354 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:04,880 call motion unless there is an item that 355 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,560 any member of council would like to pull 356 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:11,990 for further discussion. 357 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,079 Is there any item on the consent agenda 358 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:15,600 that any member of the public would like 359 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,680 to have pulled for further discussion? 360 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,240 >> Yes, Miss Hansen. 361 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,399 >> Number four. 362 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:25,440 Okay. Can we get a motion for items one 363 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,920 through three? 364 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,399 >> I move that we approve motions one, two, 365 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:31,600 and three. 366 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:32,880 >> Second. 367 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,160 >> Council member Alberish. 368 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,480 >> Yes. 369 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,519 >> Council member Brown. 370 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:35,839 >> Yes. 371 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:36,800 >> Council member Gold. 372 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,040 >> Yes. 373 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,160 >> Council member Wall. 374 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,160 >> Yes. Mayor Donowski. 375 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,560 >> Yes. Uh, Miss Hansen, would you like to 376 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:51,269 speak on item four? 377 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,360 » Uh, it's it's just a small but important 378 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,920 comment. The hyperlinks in that document 379 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,120 were not active. So, I don't know how 380 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,320 you all could have read the underlying 381 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 attachments 1A, B, C, and D because they 382 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 weren't available to the public. nor 383 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,120 were um I I also searched the website to 384 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,360 try to read those as well. So, the only 385 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,560 thing I could find was table one and the 386 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,040 executive summary. So, I would urge you 387 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,839 not to approve this item unless the 388 00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:23,760 public can read the background 389 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,880 information. Thank you. 390 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,120 >> I I I believe I know the solution to 391 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,560 that. Um, so when I selected, when I 392 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,160 clicked on it, I found the same issue 393 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,680 and then I looked at the actual link and 394 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,079 it included uh one of the brackets at 395 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:42,160 the end, I think, for each of them. And 396 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,160 so if you delete that and then hit 397 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,560 enter, it it would go through. 398 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,079 >> Uh, if it's if we can't if we can't find 399 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:51,680 it, you shouldn't approve it. But but 400 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,680 thank you for the technical support. 401 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,829 >> Sure. 402 00:15:57,839 --> 00:15:59,920 » You know, fair enough. We can we can we 403 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,000 can re reissue that and 404 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,399 >> yes we will move this to the next uh the 405 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:05,040 next meeting. 406 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,350 >> Very good. Okay. Thank you. 407 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Okay. Moving right along. 408 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,880 Oh. Uh we're not going to approve. We're 409 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,639 going to we're going to push that to the 410 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:21,279 next. Do we need we need to approve 411 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,199 pushing it to the next? 412 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:23,680 >> No. 413 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,639 >> We'll take that. 414 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:28,320 >> Okay. Very good. Uh, next up is the 415 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,759 acceptance of the 2025 audited financial 416 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:33,680 statements. And I'm handing this off to 417 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,440 you, Melissa, although I know we have 418 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,040 Mr. Ikler here as the chair of the 419 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,440 committee. 420 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,279 >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Dumowski. Uh, it 421 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,120 is recommended that the town council 422 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,199 accept into public record the audited 423 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:45,680 basic financial statements, GAN 424 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Proposition 111 appropriation limit 425 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,440 review, measure A and Measure W special 426 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,839 revenue fund report, the memorandum on 427 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:55,360 internal control and required 428 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 communications, and the town manager's 429 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,120 report on the town's financial self 430 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,360 assessment for 2024 25. And Dave Iikler, 431 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,640 chair of the audit committee, is here 432 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,160 tonight to give a brief presentation 433 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:14,710 from from the audit committee. 434 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,600 Welcome, Mr. Ikler. Thank you. Good 435 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,160 evening. Uh, again, my name is Dave 436 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,880 Ikler. I am chairman of the town's audit 437 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,959 committee. We have two other members on 438 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:27,280 that committee. Dave Burrow, uh, who 439 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,280 couldn't be here tonight, and Ron 440 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,360 Karpovich, who's here, I believe. Here 441 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:34,400 he is. Thank you. 442 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Each of the town council members should 443 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,520 have received a copy of the fiscal year 444 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,480 2025 financial statements 445 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,080 uh which includes the independent 446 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,120 auditor's report footnotes which require 447 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:49,120 which uh provide additional disclosure 448 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:50,799 and information on the count and the 449 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:53,440 town's accounting policies and also 450 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,919 details about their investments and the 451 00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:59,120 pension plan and so forth. um also 452 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,320 supplemental information as well as the 453 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,640 uh management discussion analysis of the 454 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,080 financial results for fiscal year 25 as 455 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,000 well as the financial condition for the 456 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,799 town as of June 30th 2025. 457 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:17,600 The audit was successfully completed by 458 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,240 our outside independent auditing firm 459 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,960 Maize and Associates with the assistance 460 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,240 of town staff. Our committee thoroughly 461 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,799 reviewed and discussed the financial 462 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,760 report with the town staff as well as 463 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,000 with the auditors and also we had 464 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,760 detailed discussions with the auditors 465 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,640 about the audit itself. So the auditor's 466 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,960 report which is on page one of the 467 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,760 financial document that you have 468 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,039 indicates a clean unqualified opinion 469 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,520 which in the opinion of the auditors uh 470 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,919 indicates that the financial statements 471 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:54,880 prevent fairly in all material aspects 472 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,120 in their opinion the financial results 473 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,280 for the town as well as the financial 474 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,200 condition for the period ending June 475 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,679 30th 2025. 476 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:06,320 The auditors also reported to our 477 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,480 committee that there were no material 478 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,400 adjustments to any of the numbers that 479 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,640 they audited. There were no material 480 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,640 weaknesses noted and there were no 481 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,440 disagreements with management and there 482 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,190 was no indication of any fraud. 483 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,919 So in summary, the committee approves 484 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:29,600 the financial uh fiscal 2025 financial 485 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,679 statements and recommends the town 486 00:19:31,679 --> 00:19:33,919 council do the same. Thank you. Are 487 00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:35,919 there any questions? Thank you. Any 488 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,600 questions? Yes. 489 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,360 >> Um I have a comment, not a question. 490 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,559 I'll I'll defer it. 491 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:46,320 >> I ask you the same question every year, 492 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,160 which is about our pension liabilities. 493 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:48,880 >> I'm prepared. 494 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,679 >> I thank you. We are in a loan, but we've 495 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:53,280 also taken some wonderful steps to 496 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,039 address the issue, but can you speak a 497 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:56,640 little bit about our status? It's one of 498 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,400 those sort of things that are offbalance 499 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,919 sheet a little bit. What our liabilities 500 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:03,919 are versus our asset coverage? Um 501 00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:07,200 there's disclosure in footnote 2 on this 502 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,600 particular subject 503 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,799 uh under our cash and investments. 504 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:16,160 There's also a a comment or summary in 505 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,160 the executive summary which appears on 506 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,080 page six. 507 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,280 So on page six there's a bullet point 508 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,720 that says that the town's 509 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:33,200 uh pension liability is 74.4 4% funded 510 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,120 as of the end of fiscal 25. 511 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,799 Uh as you know, the town has set aside 512 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:45,440 uh money which is now increased by 12.6% 513 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,960 this past fiscal year to $3 million. 514 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,440 This money was set aside to potentially 515 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,039 preund any future pension obligations. 516 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:58,320 So, if that money were used to pay down 517 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,559 the unfunded pension liability, which 518 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:05,840 was $5.2 million at the end of uh 20 519 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,640 June 30th, 2025, 520 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,720 the pension would be funded at a level 521 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,280 of 88%. 522 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,120 Kalpers, uh, my understanding typically 523 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,520 gauges pension contributions from the 524 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,400 from various towns and cities at about a 525 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,559 70% level. 526 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:26,960 So even at 74% we're actually doing 527 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,360 better than what Kalpers normally uh 528 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,000 suggests the towns do. But if the town 529 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,520 wanted to pay down that pension 530 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,320 liability with that $3 million which was 531 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,960 set aside outside of Kalper's uh assets, 532 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,760 that pension liability would be 88% 533 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,919 funded. 534 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:46,880 >> Does that answer your question? 535 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,440 >> It it does perfectly. Thank you. Uh you 536 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,559 had a comment 537 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,640 first. Well, why don't we 538 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,720 >> Okay. Um, so first I'm one of the 539 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720 representatives from the town council to 540 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,559 the audit committee and I just wanted to 541 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,559 thank Ron 542 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,480 Dave Iikler, Dave Burrow, who's not here 543 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,080 tonight for their work. I attended every 544 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,840 >> and also the staff for the town. Yeah. 545 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,760 >> Well, I was going to get to Cindy and 546 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,760 the rest of it, but the but um I 547 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,400 attended every single meeting. Um 548 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,720 probably close to a dozen hours or so 549 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,360 spent on that. Um, but I just wanted to 550 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,400 point out if if you for those in the 551 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,520 audience and on Zoom, uh, the ORB chart 552 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,000 is on page 13 of tonight's packet and it 553 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,600 shows the audit committee is a very 554 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,679 special committee of the town. It's 555 00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:35,440 unlike any of the other advisory or 556 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320 volunteer committees. Um, we don't 557 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,000 govern them. The town council doesn't 558 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,600 and we want that independent audit 559 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,400 function. And, um, they actually choose 560 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,000 their own members and one of them 561 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,240 retires or resigns, they pick their own. 562 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,480 we don't have anything to do with it and 563 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,000 uh there's a reason for that. We do want 564 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,440 the independence. A lot has been made of 565 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,280 the word independence tonight already, 566 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,280 but uh we feel very strongly about that 567 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,039 as far as the fiscal management goes 568 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,679 here. And um I will tell you that given 569 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:04,559 the financial expertise of the two Daves 570 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,760 and Ron, uh they are all very 571 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960 experienced financial CFOs, CEOs in 572 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,400 their companies in in the private 573 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,840 sector. You could not buy the expertise 574 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,080 that those three gentlemen uh bring to 575 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,240 the audit committee in that review which 576 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,679 is extraordinarily intensive of the uh 577 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,760 from Maize Associates, our auditing firm 578 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,679 and from the staff including Cindy and 579 00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:32,320 her staff um who who uh uh perform the 580 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,960 audit and and keep us in good shape. Uh 581 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,400 so I did want to thank everybody for 582 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,480 their service on that. It's uh it it 583 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,520 it's not fun and um it's very tedious 584 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880 and we do appreciate it. Uh I did want 585 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,880 to make one final comment because um 586 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,600 uh the mayor made uh he asked about the 587 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520 pension liability and uh Dave Iikler 588 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080 made mention that we're at 74% which is 589 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,679 of funding which is already about 5 or 590 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:04,320 10% over the statewide average of any 591 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480 city or town or any other municipality, 592 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,799 county or state. Uh often they're in the 593 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:12,080 50% range. Uh 70 is kind of like 594 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:12,640 >> pretty high. 595 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,600 >> 70% but 596 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,880 >> and we're at 74. 597 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,360 >> Yeah. 598 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,120 >> And the thing that I wanted to point out 599 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,360 was the town council and I think it may 600 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,279 have been in my first year on this 601 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,120 second goround. I'm not sure. It 602 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,480 predated me. 603 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,919 >> Um the town had extra cash, extra money, 604 00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:29,919 extra funds, and we were thinking about 605 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,799 what to do with it. and I think it was 606 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,480 the mayor, I'm not sure, uh, who's in 607 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,480 financial management, um, had 608 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,400 recommended that we take a fairly large 609 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,480 slug of money and put it aside into a 610 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720 supplemental fund, $3 million, and 611 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,000 invested it. That doesn't count. you you 612 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240 I I just I have to sort of translate the 613 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,760 financial speak of esteemed neighbor at 614 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,559 the microphone, but that $3 million that 615 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,960 the council voted on and put aside to 616 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,640 fund pension liabilities is not counted 617 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880 in that 74%. I know you explained that 618 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,600 before and with that we're in the 80 619 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,760 >> 88% almost 90% almost unheard of in any 620 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,400 governance anywhere maybe in the country 621 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,240 and that was due to the financial 622 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,640 management which predated me. Uh but 623 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,400 going through the audit committee and 624 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400 attending those meetings, it's nice to 625 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400 see that there's an extra slug of money 626 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,320 in there dedicated solely to the 627 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,880 pensions of our staff and employees that 628 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,640 doesn't even count in the financial 629 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,159 statements. We know it's there and it 630 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:31,279 can only be used for that purpose. 631 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,400 >> Yes. Under our control. It's not under 632 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,279 Kalper's control. 633 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:35,520 >> It's under That's exactly right. And so, 634 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,120 um, I just wanted to point that out that 635 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:41,279 financially, um, uh, we are in superb 636 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,200 shape and even better shape than I think 637 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,000 the financial, uh, audit reveals simply 638 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,679 because there is other funds there, 639 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:49,679 significant funds that actually bring us 640 00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,760 to a standard that's almost unheard of. 641 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,120 But anyway, I just wanted to thank you 642 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,640 for that and thank you guys for your 643 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,279 great service. 644 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,360 >> Oh, thank you. Thank you for being on 645 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,080 the town council as well. Uh, one other 646 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,679 comment, you know, for for towns people, 647 00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:02,880 if you're interested in looking at these 648 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,960 financial statements, after these are 649 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,480 approved by the town council, they do 650 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,360 get put on the town's website. So, 651 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,760 historically, you can go back 15, 20 652 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,000 years, and they're out there still. So, 653 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,600 it's under the financial section on the 654 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,600 website if you're interested in in 655 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,120 learning more about the the town's 656 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,799 finances and where the money is being 657 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:22,559 spent. 658 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:23,200 >> Thank you. 659 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,720 That's a good segue. Is there 660 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,320 any member of the public that would like 661 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:31,750 to comment on the audit? 662 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,799 Seeing none, then um on behalf of all of 663 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,120 us, please accept our deepest gratitude 664 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,960 for your meticulous review of the 665 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,200 statements and u the confidence that it 666 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,200 inspires in our financials. We really 667 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,080 appreciate the work that you do and we 668 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,679 are just accepting this report tonight. 669 00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:49,120 So there is no vote. We are just 670 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,760 accepting and moving forward. Okay, very 671 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,600 good. Thank you. 672 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,520 >> Thank you. 673 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,039 Moving on to new business item B, the 674 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,200 annual progress report for the housing 675 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,360 element. And this is anformational 676 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:04,640 report. And I'm handing it off to you, 677 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,360 Melissa. 678 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,200 >> Thank you, Madam Kowski. It is 679 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,960 recommended that the town council accept 680 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 theformational annual progress report 681 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,760 for the housing element for 2025 and 682 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,159 direct staff to transmit by April 1st 683 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:17,760 the report to the state department of 684 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,760 housing and community development and 685 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,360 office of planning and research as 686 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,200 required by government code section 687 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,360 65400. 688 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,200 The report as required contains 689 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,640 information on the town's progress 690 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,240 toward meeting its regional housing 691 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,679 needs or RENA allocation. During 2025, 692 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:36,080 the town issued permits for 23 accessory 693 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,559 dwelling units and 11 permits for single 694 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,720 family dwellings. Two of the issued 695 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,960 permits for new ADUs were voided or put 696 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,440 on hold. So, 21 permits for ADUs have 697 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,440 been included in the 2025 APR. Of the 21 698 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,480 ADUs permitted in 2025, seven ADUs are 699 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,440 considered very lowincome units, six as 700 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,399 low income units, six as moderate income 701 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:01,200 units, and two as above moderate income 702 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,159 units. All 11 single family dwellings 703 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,640 permitted in 2025 count as above 704 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,200 moderate income units. The town 705 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,440 certified housing element also designate 706 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000 designates three properties in town for 707 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,960 multifamily projects. First, a 1acre 708 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,600 privately owned site at 773 Kinyatta 709 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320 slated to produce a total of 16 moderate 710 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,880 income units. The property owner is 711 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,799 currently in the process of subdividing 712 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,279 the larger 9 acres of land into the 1 713 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,520 acre multif family site and the 714 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,200 remaining area for single family 715 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,720 residential site. Second, a 1 and 1/2 716 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760 acre town-owned site on Rayundo slated 717 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,600 to produce a total of 17 units, 12 low 718 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,840 and very lowincome units and five 719 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200 moderate income units. Third, a 1acre 720 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,520 town-owned site on High Road slated to 721 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,880 produce a total of 16 units, 11 low and 722 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,120 very lowincome units and five moderate 723 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,399 income units. For the two towned sites 724 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:03,520 by September of 2026, the town is 725 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,279 required to issue a notice of 726 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,279 availability pursuant to the surplus 727 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,919 lands act to solicit proposals for 728 00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:12,559 development of these two sites. To meet 729 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:14,640 this timeline, the town in September 730 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,279 2025 issued a request for proposals 731 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,279 seeking a consultant to prepare a town 732 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,480 master sanitary sewer study to analyze 733 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640 existing and needed capacity to serve 734 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,480 current residences and anticipated 735 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,600 development, including 773 Kinyatta and 736 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,720 the town-owned sites. On November 18th, 737 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,120 2025, the town council approved a 738 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,279 contract with Frier and Loretta to 739 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,200 analyze both the existing sewer 740 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,279 infrastructure and contractual capacity 741 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,360 for the Town Center Sewer Assessment 742 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240 District, Redwood Creek Sewer Assessment 743 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,080 District, and Fair Oaks Sewer 744 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,399 Maintenance District. The study is not 745 00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:52,240 yet complete. We anticipate the study 746 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,039 will be completed later this spring. As 747 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,799 the study is being conducted by Frier 748 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,200 and Loretta, staff has also been working 749 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,200 with Jerry Risa from the law firm of 750 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,919 Burke Williams and Sorenson to assist in 751 00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:05,520 the development of a timeline and 752 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,919 process for the town council to consider 753 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,159 as it accepts public input and directs 754 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:12,080 how staff should proceed to solicit 755 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000 proposals for development of the two 756 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,399 town owned sites. I am now turning the 757 00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:18,480 presentation over to Mr. Risa so that he 758 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,120 can outline in general terms next steps 759 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:44,710 once the sewer study is complete. 760 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,679 Welcome, 761 00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:47,039 >> council members. Can can you hear me? 762 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:47,520 All right, 763 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,360 >> we can. The closer it gets for the folks 764 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,720 on the Zoom, the better. But 765 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240 >> okay. Um, yeah. Well, thank you again. 766 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480 My name is Jerry Ramsea. I'm a real 767 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,159 estate lawyer with the firm of Burke 768 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:01,440 Williams and Sorenson. And back in June 769 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480 of this past year, June of 2025, 770 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,799 town attorney Gan Savory reached out to 771 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,960 me with a request for assistance um to 772 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,200 provide some advice on the proper 773 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,360 process that the town ought to go 774 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520 through with respect to the two sites 775 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,440 that were mentioned, Raundo and High 776 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,159 Road, and how to comply with the State 777 00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:26,720 Surplus Land Act. So, since June, I've 778 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,039 been working on that project. We've had 779 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,559 a number of Zoom calls and phone calls 780 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,640 to discuss process and review 781 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,240 alternatives. 782 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,799 Um, and if you'd like, I can give a 783 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:41,919 little bit of background, a quick 784 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:45,039 summary of the process that's um that 785 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:46,960 the town will need to follow and and 786 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,279 broadly speaking the two alternatives. 787 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,360 So, the statute that um we're operating 788 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,679 under and that the town will need to 789 00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,159 comply with is the State Surplus Land 790 00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:00,880 Act. It's in the government code. It's 791 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,960 been in existence for a long time since 792 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600 I think 1968. And for the first 50 793 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480 years, it wasn't that impactful. But 794 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,799 several years ago, back in 2019, the 795 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,960 state legislature made substantial 796 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,760 amendments to the surplus land Act, and 797 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,720 they were targeted at the statewide af 798 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,799 uh housing shortage, affordable housing 799 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,039 issues. It was part of that effort to 800 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,840 address the need for affordable housing. 801 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,120 And it the result has been really any 802 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,480 time a city, a town, a county is 803 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,799 entering into long-term leases or 804 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,799 looking to sell property to a third 805 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,559 party, you have to comply with the State 806 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,679 Surplus Land Act. And broadly speaking, 807 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:44,480 there are two ways to do that. The state 808 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,679 surplus land act defines a series of 809 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:49,679 exemptions 810 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,240 that are um and so property can be 811 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,039 declared exempt surplus land if you fit 812 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,960 in one of those boxes, one of those 813 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600 exemptions or property can be declared 814 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840 as surplus land and then there's a 815 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,919 separate statutory process to go 816 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,760 through. So, that's really the first 817 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000 step in the process, deciding whether 818 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,960 it's in the town's interest to go down 819 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,159 the exempt surplus land uh road or the 820 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:19,440 surplus land route. And in general, um 821 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,399 well, let me let me u stop there for a 822 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:25,200 moment. That decision of whether to go 823 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,279 surplus land or exempt surplus land, 824 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,960 that is a public process. the uh town 825 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,840 council would have to adopt a resolution 826 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,399 making findings to support an exemption 827 00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:39,840 determination or uh concluding that it 828 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,760 desires to follow the surplus land 829 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,960 process. So there is a is a public step 830 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,279 a notice public meeting resolution has 831 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:50,399 to be adopted and that will I anticipate 832 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:52,640 a decision will be presented to the 833 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,039 council or recommendation in the coming 834 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,840 months. Um, 835 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,080 broadly speaking, 836 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,760 it's the town has a bit more local 837 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,560 control and autonomy if you can proceed 838 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,879 under an exempt surplus land 839 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:12,800 determination as opposed to a surplus 840 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,359 land determination. So generally 841 00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:19,919 speaking, we recommend that communities 842 00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,480 follow the exempt surplus land route 843 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,639 provided the proper findings and 844 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,440 determinations can be made and we're 845 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,079 pretty close to concluding that they can certainly be made with respect 846 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,800 to Rayundo High Road is a little bit of 847 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,720 an open question and I'll get into that 848 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,720 in a moment. Um, under the the 849 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,440 applicable exemption that the town may 850 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,079 be able to take advantage of and by 851 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,000 declaring the properties, one or both 852 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,200 properties exempt surplus land is in um 853 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,800 for those interested in reviewing the specific exception, it's in 854 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,920 government code section 54221 855 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,680 F1A. 856 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,920 And that cross references another 857 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,760 government code affordable housing 858 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,710 provision which is in section 37364. 859 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,680 So that particular exemption 860 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,680 uh it specifies three criteria that you 861 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,240 need to meet in order to follow it. One 862 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,280 of the criteria is that at least 80% of 863 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,119 the land area of the property in 864 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,720 question has to be developed for 865 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,480 housing. 866 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,000 um at least 40% of the total housing 867 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,800 units have to be what I'll just describe 868 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,640 as pretty deeply affordable. Um very low 869 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,640 at the lower end of low income plus a 870 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,440 number of very lowincome units as well. 871 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,359 The third requirement is an easy one to 872 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:50,720 meet. There has to be a recorded 873 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,720 regulatory agreement for at least 30 874 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,680 years. So, so the one here that's a 875 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,520 little bit in question with respect to 876 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,320 the high road site is that 80% lot 877 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,359 coverage requirement. High road, it's a 878 00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:07,280 smaller parcel. It's a little bit um the 879 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,280 configuration is a little bit odd. It's 880 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,320 not a rectangular rectal linear parcel 881 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,599 and there's also a PG& easement. So 882 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,720 staff has been doing some due diligence 883 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,520 to see whether it's realistic the 80% 884 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,240 coverage requirement can be can be met. 885 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,119 If it can be, I anticipate staff's 886 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,599 recommendation to you will be to declare 887 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,720 it exempt surplus land. And if that 888 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:35,920 happens, the next step in the process is 889 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,599 the town could issue um an RFQ, a 890 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,400 request for qualifications or a request 891 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440 for proposals. And then basically you're 892 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,760 in the driver's seat to decide to send 893 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,839 that out to the world of affordable 894 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:53,040 housing developers. Um, and then you're 895 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,680 in a position to select one with a 896 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,079 demonstrated track record of success who 897 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,240 builds highquality projects you think 898 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,800 can meet the town's objectives. And 899 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,440 that's why I say you have a little bit 900 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,359 more autonomy under the exempt process. 901 00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:11,520 Um 902 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,640 the the alternative I'll just briefly 903 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,760 mention the the alternative which is not 904 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,640 pursuing an exemption and just declaring 905 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,440 the property to be surplus. If you go 906 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,040 that route, it's a it's a it's a little 907 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040 bit of a slower process and it's one 908 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,560 that you have a little less control 909 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,839 over. It starts with a 910 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,599 uh preparation of a notice of 911 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,119 availability. 912 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,880 That notice gets emailed or sent s via 913 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,680 certified mail to a list of 300 plus 914 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,200 housing sponsors and other developers 915 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000 statewide who've expressed an interest 916 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,320 in learning about the availability of 917 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,560 surplus lands. That notice is goes out 918 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200 for 60 days. So, you have 60 days to 919 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,520 receive responses from essentially the 920 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,240 whole world of potential developers who 921 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,079 might be interested in doing affordable 922 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,200 housing. Um, at that point, you'll 923 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,000 evaluate the responses. 924 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,400 You can se you have some discretion to 925 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,119 select, but the preference really goes 926 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,280 to the responder who's proposing the 927 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,440 highest number of units and the deepest 928 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,119 affordability. 929 00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:31,440 And regardless of whether or not they 930 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,000 have a real demonstrated track record or 931 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,119 access to financing, etc., you end up 932 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,119 having to go through a good faith 933 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,240 negotiation process of at least 90 days. 934 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,880 The statute doesn't dictate a particular 935 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,440 result. You do not have to sell the 936 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,200 property to um any developer who 937 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680 responds or the developer who responds 938 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,960 with um or that you speak with first. 939 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,200 But it does specify a process. So you 940 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,880 have to build a record, you you 941 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,359 negotiated in good faith, you didn't get 942 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:07,359 to a deal, and then and then, you know, 943 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:09,680 if you received other responses, you'd 944 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,440 go through that process. It doesn't 945 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,520 necessarily have to be entirely serial. 946 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,599 You can have concurrent negotiations, 947 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,440 but you'd have to go through that 948 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,720 process. You'd have less control over 949 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,680 who you might want to work with as a 950 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,320 developer for these two sites. 951 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,119 Um, if you're ultimately successful 952 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,040 through a surplus land act process, you 953 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,599 would still enter into 954 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,000 a disposition and development agreement 955 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,079 of some sort, basically a purchase and 956 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,240 sale agreement that has some affirmative 957 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,560 development obligations. 958 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,119 And that developer, if they performed 959 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:46,800 under the agreement, they'd close 960 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,400 escrow, buy the site, and build the 961 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,640 project. Um, if you can't find a 962 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,960 developer through that process or if no 963 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,760 one responds with interest for one 964 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,160 reason or another, you have the ability 965 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,800 to sell the properties to others who are 966 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,800 not interested in developing affordable 967 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,400 housing. But you'd be required to record 968 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,480 a covenant against the property that uh 969 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,800 specifies that if housing is ever 970 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,560 developed, at least 15% of those units 971 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,880 will have to be uh low lowincome units. 972 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,960 Um 973 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,320 in this case, I think it would be a 974 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,920 little bit hard to do that since the 975 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,839 housing element has identified these 976 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,960 sites for housing purposes. they're um 977 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,079 designated for housing uh uses under the 978 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,920 general plan. So um I I don't really 979 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,079 view at this point non-housing 980 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,920 development alternatives as being 981 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,760 practical, but that's what the surplus 982 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,839 land specifies. 983 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:52,320 So to just review next steps, there's 984 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,079 some due diligence going on. There's a 985 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,319 sewer capacity study being done which 986 00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:59,040 has already been mentioned tonight. Um 987 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,800 that'll be important information for 988 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,599 prospective developers. We're also 989 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,800 trying to be as certain as we can about 990 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,119 that 80% lot coverage um requirement for 991 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,760 high road because one desire is to make 992 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520 sure we do it right the first time. We 993 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,440 don't want to go down the exempt road 994 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,119 and then find out we can't meet it and 995 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,680 have to backpedal and restart the 996 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,119 process. 997 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,240 Um, we've got noticed public meetings 998 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,359 ahead and adoption of resolutions 999 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,760 where you would uh choose the path 1000 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,760 that's best for the town, exempt surplus 1001 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,440 land or surplus land. And um 1002 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,520 that's uh I think that's the last um 1003 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,040 information I wanted to share. If you 1004 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,960 have any questions about the process, 1005 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000 I'll be happy to try to answer them. 1006 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,319 >> Wonderful. Thank you, Mr. 1007 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:54,000 Uh, any questions? 1008 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,040 >> I have a bunch. 1009 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,760 >> Yeah, you want to go for it? 1010 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520 >> Uh, first, Jerry, thank you for that. 1011 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,880 Um, I wish we had heard that um before 1012 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,960 we got into the housing element u a 1013 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,440 couple of years ago because a lot of the 1014 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,280 questions from the concerned citizens 1015 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,960 were exactly the things you were talking 1016 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,760 about. You know, I'm I'm assuming staff 1017 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,760 and council knew a lot of these things, 1018 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,839 but we I can only speak for myself. I 1019 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:19,839 didn't. I'm assuming a lot of the folks 1020 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:21,920 in the public didn't know either. So, I 1021 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,240 have a few questions to ask you about 1022 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,480 some of the permutations. So, you said 1023 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,319 there's two ways to go with Raundo and 1024 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:29,599 High Road, which is what we're talking 1025 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,680 about here. It could be exempt or not 1026 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,200 exempt, and you gave the reasons for 1027 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,000 each. So, I just something just 1028 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,440 triggered in my mind here when you were 1029 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,680 talking at the very end. Um, so let's 1030 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,040 say we determine it is 80% on high road. 1031 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,240 That's the one that's the most 1032 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,240 problematic as I think we've pointed out 1033 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,160 in spades here over the past three 1034 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,760 years. Um, but let's say we determine it 1035 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,640 is 80%. We make it exempt and then when 1036 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,839 the developer comes in, they're only 1037 00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:59,349 going to cover 50%. 1038 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,280 Yeah, that well that would be a problem 1039 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,680 because I think the R if you issued an 1040 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,240 RFP seeking a developer, we would 1041 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,680 make very clear that this RFP is being 1042 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,839 issued pursuant to an exemption 1043 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:15,920 determination and there are three 1044 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,680 critical components of that exemption 1045 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,079 determination. So the town would be 1046 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,960 seeking a developer who can undertake a 1047 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,119 project that complies with the 1048 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,000 exemption. 1049 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,560 >> Got it. So, 1050 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,280 >> um, thank you for the clarification. So, 1051 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,240 when we put this out for a request for a 1052 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,119 proposal, uh, if it's exempt, we have a 1053 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,960 lot more control, as you said. We can 1054 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,359 make sure that they're bonafide 1055 00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:42,720 developers and they have financial 1056 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,880 wherewithal and a track record. All 1057 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,920 pretty good things, of course. Um, there 1058 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,760 are three possibilities in those 1059 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,640 responses. One, we could get no 1060 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,240 responses. 1061 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,480 And then you said we would be eligible 1062 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,359 to sell it to somebody else for other 1063 00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:03,520 reasons provided 15% of the of the any 1064 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,760 developer any development that's there 1065 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,599 would be for affordable housing. Did I 1066 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:08,640 hear that correctly? 1067 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,599 >> Well, just um that's mostly right, but 1068 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,359 there's another step in the process. So 1069 00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,680 if you declared it exempt surplus land, 1070 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,000 thought you would be successful by 1071 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,319 pursuing the exemption, and if it turned 1072 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,240 out that was infeasible, you get no 1073 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,760 responses, 1074 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,839 then the next option would be, well, 1075 00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,000 that didn't work. We're going to declare 1076 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,480 it surplus. And so now you're going 1077 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,040 through that surplus land process notice 1078 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520 to the world of affordable housing 1079 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,880 developers, 300 plus entities. 1080 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,480 um 1081 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,400 wait the 60 days, see who you hear from, 1082 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,720 start negotiations, negotiate for at 1083 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,520 least 90 days, you know, hopefully end 1084 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,599 up with a successful outcome through 1085 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,680 that process. 1086 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,000 Um, and if you don't, then okay. Uh, at 1087 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,760 that point, I suppose you've 1088 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,280 demonstrated 1089 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,440 it's not particularly feasible to do 1090 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,000 housing because you've attempted to find 1091 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,079 a housing developer and let's just say 1092 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,920 no one is interested. Then it would be 1093 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,280 record the co notify the um there's a 1094 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,520 state agency state department of housing 1095 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,720 and community development you're 1096 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,040 probably familiar with because 1097 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,040 you're um interfacing with them to get 1098 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,280 housing elements approved but they are 1099 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,000 the enforcement body and the overseer of 1100 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,440 this whole surplus land act process. So 1101 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,040 there are a series of points at which 1102 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,800 you notify HCD of what you're doing, 1103 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,560 what your progress is, whether you've 1104 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040 been successful, did you negotiate with 1105 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,880 someone and not have a successful 1106 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,480 outcome. So that all of that gets 1107 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,079 reported to HCD. 1108 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,319 >> So my point is you're leading right down 1109 00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:52,319 the pathway that I'm saying if and I 1110 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,560 think that it may be a likely outcome. 1111 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,079 Nobody's interested or they're not 1112 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,359 interested at the level that we're 1113 00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:59,839 specifying in there. We ultimately we 1114 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,079 have no takers. We can't find anybody. 1115 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,200 We say we're now it's surplus property. 1116 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,200 What happens to our reena number? What 1117 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,040 happens? I mean HC we're telling HCD 1118 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,720 we're not going to make 394. 1119 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,440 >> Yeah. I'm going to refer that question 1120 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,560 to the town attorney because there would 1121 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,720 be really what I've described is simply 1122 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,200 this is the the world under the state 1123 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,119 surplus land act. So there could be 1124 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:26,800 other implications if you are 1125 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,079 unsuccessful through that process. 1126 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,000 That doesn't mean you're home free. 1127 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,520 Maybe you're home free under the surplus 1128 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,000 land act 1129 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,839 >> or we find something else. But I guess 1130 00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:38,880 I'll let Jean respond to that town 1131 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,000 attorney to respond to that. 1132 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,760 >> So as Jerry's indicated, your housing 1133 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,839 element designates those those sites and 1134 00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:45,680 indicates they will be developed at that 1135 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,960 level of of um affordability. If that 1136 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,640 can't happen, you will need to start 1137 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,119 looking for other sites or other ways to 1138 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,040 incentivize uh folks to come in and 1139 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,440 produce those housing numbers for you. 1140 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,960 During that time period, we would try 1141 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,200 our best to work with HCD so that they 1142 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,880 don't levy fines or um descertify the 1143 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,200 housing element. U because when you're 1144 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,200 descertified, then you find yourself in 1145 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,160 a very vulnerable position um for 1146 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,400 builder's remedy projects and additional 1147 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,040 um fines from the state. And that is not 1148 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,359 a place any anybody 1149 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:20,720 wants to be. 1150 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,880 >> Okay. Got it. So before I go to the 1151 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,119 other two possibilities, 1152 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:26,880 Jerry, the you know, we talked about one 1153 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,400 if there is no response or they're 1154 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,720 insufficient responses, what we do in 1155 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,240 that event. But before I go down the 1156 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,079 other two possibilities, which is 1157 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:35,839 somebody responds perfectly or somebody 1158 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:39,119 responds with a kind of a medium warm 1159 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,640 result, I did want to ask you a question 1160 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,079 because you brought this up. You said we 1161 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,560 would have to uh put a covenant against 1162 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960 the property. in the first pathway 1163 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,280 dedicating 15% to affordable housing. 1164 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,880 Can you describe what a covenant is and 1165 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,870 how you reverse it? 1166 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,400 » Well, it's it you you wouldn't be able 1167 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,960 to reverse it. So it would be a covenant 1168 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,280 that and really what it contemplates is 1169 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680 in most instances under the surplus land 1170 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,880 act if you offer the site to affordable 1171 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,280 housing developers and they take a pass 1172 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,200 and then let's say you sell for a 1173 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,520 commercial development that's really the 1174 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,760 purpose of the covenant. The covenant is 1175 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,359 this site has just been sold to a third 1176 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:27,200 party for a nonaffordable housing use. 1177 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,040 And if it turns out that third party 1178 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,640 decides, no, I'm not going to do my 1179 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,240 commercial project after all. I want to 1180 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,559 do a luxury town home project, well, 15% 1181 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,400 of the residential units that are 1182 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,319 developed will have to be um uh low 1183 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:42,880 income. 1184 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,880 >> So essentially, a a covenant is a 1185 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,200 restrictive deed. It's filed with this 1186 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,119 clerk, right? With the town with a 1187 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:50,079 county clerk. 1188 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,359 >> Correct. It runs with the land. 1189 00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:53,119 >> Runs with the land in perpetuity as I 1190 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:53,520 understand. 1191 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,760 >> Binding on successors. 1192 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,400 That particular covenant that fall back 1193 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,200 15% if you're unsuccessful. I don't 1194 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,680 believe it has an expiration date, 1195 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,280 >> but it there's no mechanism to have it 1196 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,880 undone except by agreement of the 1197 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,400 parties. 1198 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,480 >> Uh, correct. 1199 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,079 >> Got it. Thank you. I'm just appreciate 1200 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,319 that clarification because that came up 1201 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:16,800 three years ago. Um, and I just I 1202 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,240 appreciate your ex. You're the town's 1203 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,480 expert in this area and I was very glad 1204 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,079 to hear that. So, let's talk about the 1205 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,680 other two avenues that you could go 1206 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,880 down. Um, it's real easy. If if a 1207 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,960 developer comes back and says, "Hey, 16 1208 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,359 units at High Road, 80% coverage. We got 1209 00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,760 this. Here's the proposal." We'll get to 1210 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,359 that in a second. But suppose somebody 1211 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,119 comes back and says, "This is a really 1212 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,760 awkward parcel. I can put on four town 1213 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,960 homes. That's the most I could do." What 1214 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,760 do we do if that's maybe that's the best 1215 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,960 proposal we get? 1216 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,599 >> Well, the for purposes of the there may 1217 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,440 be other implications under the housing 1218 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,839 element, but for purposes of the surplus 1219 00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,670 land act requirement is 40% 1220 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:02,800 of 1221 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,760 >> yeah, I'm not even talking about 1222 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,280 affordability. Suppose they meet all of 1223 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,559 that, but they just don't. They can't 1224 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,000 put 16. They could put 10 or eight or 1225 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,079 six. So they can meet the 80% lot 1226 00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,920 coverage. Yeah. If 40% of those are 1227 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,599 affordable to households earning 75% 1228 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,079 of the maximum income of lower income 1229 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,680 households, that's the lower end of 1230 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,079 maximum and at least half of those are 1231 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,559 affordable to very low-income households 1232 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,480 >> and they would have met the requirement 1233 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,040 under the surplus land act. 1234 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,760 >> So uh the 16 units on high road, the 17 1235 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,000 units on Raundo are not necessarily cast 1236 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,400 in stone. if the developers if the the 1237 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,119 requests for proposals come back at less 1238 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,400 than those numbers. 1239 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,480 >> Yeah. Not cast in stone under the 1240 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,880 surplus land act but could be other 1241 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,040 implications under the housing elements. 1242 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,200 >> Got it. Thank you. Very helpful. Okay. 1243 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,720 So now let's talk about the last one. 1244 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,400 Sorry for taking all the time but I 1245 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,640 think these questions I assume are on 1246 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,760 people's minds or they should be. Um, so 1247 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,000 let's talk for a second about we put out 1248 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800 a request for quote for Raundo and we 1249 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,800 puted one out for High Road and they 1250 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,800 come back perfectly. It's a qualified 1251 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,280 developer and everything else. So now 1252 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,319 comes the question, 1253 00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:20,000 how do we sell the property? Do we you said something about 30-year 1254 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,920 minimums and things like that? I think I 1255 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,240 heard that number. Um, but do we have to 1256 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,400 sell the parcel outright? Could we lease 1257 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,000 it for 99 years? Could we sell it for a 1258 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,319 dollar? Do we Does it have to be market 1259 00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:34,319 rate? I mean, these are going to be 1260 00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:35,760 condominiums. These are supposed to be 1261 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,760 owner occupied. Um, and I have a 1262 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,119 follow-up question to that one, too, but 1263 00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:40,720 I'll let you handle that first. 1264 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,319 >> Well, you could sell it for a dollar. 1265 00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:44,800 Um, you know, you presumably you would 1266 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,359 only do that if there was a demonstrated 1267 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:49,680 feasibility gap in the financing and it 1268 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,119 was required to make the project 1269 00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,400 feasible. there's no obligation to write 1270 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,200 down the value of the land to make make 1271 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,760 the project feasible. So, um sometimes 1272 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,839 when local agencies are selling surplus 1273 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:05,200 property, one of the requirements they 1274 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,040 put in is the expectation is we're 1275 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,040 selling it for full fair market value. 1276 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,079 So, don't expect a discount. Um you're 1277 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:13,920 not required to do that, but and 1278 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,359 similarly, you're not required to write 1279 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,359 down the value of the land. I mentioned 1280 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:19,920 that 30-year um regulatory agreement 1281 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,760 that that's just another example. 1282 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,559 Recorded covenant runs with the land 1283 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:27,520 binding on both the initial developer 1284 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,520 grantee of the property as well as 1285 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,000 successors and assigns. 1286 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,960 >> Okay. So, 1287 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,440 um 1288 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,079 we have somebody who comes back and 1289 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:41,920 they're going to develop this property. 1290 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,079 Everything looks fine. They may come 1291 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,520 back and say, "We need you to sell us 1292 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,040 the property for a dollar to make the 1293 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,359 finances work for us because the cost of 1294 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:50,559 developing these properties, it's going 1295 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,640 to be expensive." One of them has a $2.5 1296 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,880 million sewer that's required. I mean, I 1297 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,640 can see the the cost really running up 1298 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,960 here, and they may need a cheap price on 1299 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,359 the land to make this work, 1300 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:03,599 but the town can determine that we don't 1301 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:05,119 want to sell it for less than fair 1302 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:06,559 market value. Is that what you just 1303 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:08,240 said? 1304 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,079 >> Correct. You don't You're not obligated 1305 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,640 to to down the value of the land. 1306 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,640 >> Got it. Thank you. Um and the last thing 1307 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:21,510 I wanted to ask you about um 1308 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,040 during these deliberations of 1309 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,119 that took place about three years ago, 1310 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:28,720 this was a pretty contentious the room 1311 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,240 had actually more people in it than it 1312 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,109 has tonight. Um, 1313 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,680 one of the things that came up was that 1314 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,520 um to, this is my word, to appease the 1315 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,920 public. Um, we told them that there 1316 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,760 would be several more opportunities down 1317 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,559 the road to oppose these the development 1318 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:49,920 of these parcels. It's certainly their 1319 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,000 right. We, you know, we have a first 1320 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,760 amendment right to speak against these 1321 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,520 the development. Um, 1322 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,200 but one of the things that that kind of 1323 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,839 came up in in opposing them was the 1324 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,920 council and I believe council member 1325 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,440 Wall was the mayor at the time. I'm not 1326 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680 positive. She can correct me if if I'm 1327 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000 wrong. Um, a lot of the neighbors came 1328 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,599 forward and said, "We would like to have 1329 00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,559 a neighborhood committee to meet and it 1330 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,000 was going to be I think it was at the 1331 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,319 time it was going to be the mayor and I 1332 00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:21,280 think the planning director and the town 1333 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,440 manager and a few members of those 1334 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,960 areas, 1335 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,760 Raundo Road area and High Road would be 1336 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,440 two separate neighborhood committees to 1337 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,200 discuss the very issues that you and I 1338 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,880 are talking about right now. Is this 1339 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,200 going to be sold for how much?" you 1340 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,200 know, a lot of the issues not not 1341 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,119 covered in the in the environmental 1342 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,920 reviews and the site reviews that we did 1343 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,000 at that time, but the other issues that 1344 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,839 are there like where are people going to 1345 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,200 park and how, you know, how are we going 1346 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,880 the 80% coverage you were just talking 1347 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,640 about? Are we going to sell the land? 1348 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,920 Are we going to lease it? You know, for 1349 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,520 how much? At the time, I think the 1350 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,720 council came out and they said they 1351 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,880 wanted them to be owner occupied, that 1352 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,599 is condominiums. And importantly, at 1353 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:04,319 least for me, was how is the appreciated 1354 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:07,119 value, if these are condominiums, going 1355 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,119 to vest 1356 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,760 with the purchasers of these properties 1357 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,040 over time. And I recall giving this very 1358 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,119 example. Suppose some teacher from 1359 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,599 Woodside Elementary School buys one of 1360 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,760 these condominiums for below market 1361 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,359 rate. I'll throw out a number, half a 1362 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,680 million dollars. The real market is a 1363 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,760 million and a half for that same unit. 1364 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680 So he or she buys it for a half a 1365 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,599 million dollars and a year later wants 1366 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,079 to sell it at fair market value a 1367 00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:35,760 million and a half bucks. Is that 1368 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,319 million-doll gain go to the teacher? 1369 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:40,079 >> Does it go to the town or is it going to 1370 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,640 vest over time? And I actually brought 1371 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,559 this up and I thought I actually I think 1372 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:47,119 I wrote an email if I'm not mistaken to 1373 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,359 then town manager Kevin Bryant that 1374 00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:51,119 maybe vesting it I'm very familiar with 1375 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,200 stock options. maybe vesting it over 20 1376 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,520 years where they get 120th it every year 1377 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,280 over 20 years and at the end if they 1378 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,040 live there 20 years they should get the 1379 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,880 full appreciated value but if they sell 1380 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,880 it after a year maybe they keep 120th of 1381 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,160 it and the town keeps 1920th of it 1382 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,599 something like that is that the kind of 1383 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,760 paradigm that people use in um uh owner 1384 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,960 occupied uh reselling a below market 1385 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,960 value condominium 1386 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,960 >> yeah there there are there are different 1387 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,799 models um but The important thing is 1388 00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:26,720 that the unit has to remain affordable 1389 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:29,760 for the required time period to the next 1390 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,680 purchaser, right? So, it's not going to 1391 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,480 be possible. You have to find a a 1392 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,040 solution to that. So often times what 1393 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,960 happens is the the the uh local 1394 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,680 jurisdiction, the town in this case 1395 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,760 might buy the unit back from the initial 1396 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,640 purchaser and then be a conduit to get 1397 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,280 that unit to the next homeowner 1398 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680 >> at some agreed pre a prior agreed price 1399 00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,200 >> at a at a some formula 1400 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,319 >> which likely will be high a higher price 1401 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:07,760 than what the initial purchaser your hypothetical teacher in the example 1402 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,280 paid because as a you know what's has 1403 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920 been the trend over time is area median 1404 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,760 incomes increase. Therefore the income 1405 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,520 levels for very low income and low 1406 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,319 income go up and then that drives the 1407 00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:23,920 formula for what's known as the 1408 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,599 affordable housing cost which is 1409 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,599 basically the purchase price. What 1410 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,599 purchase price is affordable to that 1411 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,520 particular income level. So it tends to 1412 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,480 go up over time. maybe tracking 1413 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,400 inflation but not housing prices. Um so 1414 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,960 >> Jerry, thank you. This is exactly what 1415 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,040 the neighbor committee was supposed to 1416 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,119 address. It was we didn't know at the 1417 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:46,960 time and I think it was that very issue 1418 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,960 that we were saying if this actually 1419 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,880 runs with the property the affordability 1420 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,559 for ever essentially how do we capture 1421 00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,200 that and um that was actually part of 1422 00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,480 what the neighborhood committee was 1423 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,160 supposed to be discussing to work that 1424 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,440 out in advance of the RFPs. 1425 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,480 Can I just address that? Of 1426 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,119 >> course. 1427 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,440 >> So, the ba baseline information we need 1428 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,359 in order to have a meaningful discussion 1429 00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:11,040 with the public and with you is the 1430 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,599 sewer study and so staff heard very 1431 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,640 clearly about public input and and 1432 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,559 subcommittees. However, the council 1433 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,880 wanted to um direct those be composed. 1434 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,119 That has not been lost. We just don't 1435 00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,599 have the sewer capacity study anal 1436 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,680 analyzed yet. And once that happens, 1437 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,520 then that process can begin. 1438 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,280 >> I agree with you there. And and I didn't 1439 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,960 want to put that aside. The sewer study 1440 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,119 to me is a binary gating study about 1441 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,280 what we could do, but all of the issues 1442 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920 we're talking about now flow, no pun 1443 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,839 intended, from the flu sewer study with 1444 00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:43,280 you. 1445 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,319 >> I agree. 1446 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:45,040 >> Thank you. 1447 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,440 >> Okay, Council Member Wall, I saw your 1448 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,359 hand up. 1449 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:52,319 >> Yeah, thanks. Um, yeah, just building 1450 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:54,960 off of some of the comments that Paul 1451 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,599 made. you know, I do recall, just in the 1452 00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,440 spirit of transparency, Paul, I do 1453 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:00,960 recall, 1454 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,280 um, the council being very focused on 1455 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,920 neighborhood input. Um, which, um, 1456 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,359 actually my question for you, Jerry, 1457 00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,440 when I get there is I'm curious to hear 1458 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,240 kind of you describe in more detail how 1459 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,760 residents will be able to offer their 1460 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,720 input going forward. Um I don't I don't 1461 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,160 have the same recollection that you do, 1462 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,000 Paul, around um you know, obligating um 1463 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,760 making any binding obligations around 1464 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,440 forming a neighborhood committee. That 1465 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,880 doesn't I don't think really matter. I 1466 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,240 think the spirit is there that we 1467 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,160 absolutely want to solicit as much 1468 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,160 resident input as possible. Um, so 1469 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,000 Jerry, do you think and apologies if you 1470 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,200 mentioned this in your report already, 1471 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,799 but can you kind of just walk us through 1472 00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:40,400 now that you have presented to the 1473 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,040 council sort of the process 1474 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,280 um to determine whether the sites are 1475 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,000 state surplus land or exempt surplus 1476 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,960 land? Um, what are the different moments 1477 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,000 where the council will be able to hear 1478 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,400 resident input or or uh what are the 1479 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,079 opportunities for residents to offer 1480 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,319 their input? 1481 01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:04,000 Um, sure. I'll be happy to answer that. 1482 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,079 The the first I think opportunity 1483 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,440 um will be when a determin determination 1484 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,160 is made. Does the town council want to 1485 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,640 declare each of the sites exempt surplus 1486 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,040 land or surplus land? So if that happens 1487 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,200 for both sites at the same meeting, 1488 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,680 that'll be a key point in time at which 1489 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,760 the you know the community can weigh in 1490 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,760 about the wisdom of or not of pursuing 1491 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,680 one of those two paths. And then of 1492 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,160 course the next major opportunity is if 1493 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,400 a developer is selected through 1494 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,240 whichever process you follow and you 1495 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,240 want to choose a developer for a 1496 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,079 particular site or one developer for 1497 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,960 both sites to whether it's to ground 1498 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,079 lease or to purchase the site. 1499 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,799 That agreement with that developer will 1500 01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:56,559 be presented at a council meeting. 1501 01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,559 There'll be a staff report presumably 1502 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,960 there's an analysis of the financial 1503 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,960 terms of the deal. Um some analysis of 1504 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,880 the viability of the development 1505 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,240 project. Why staff and the c why staff 1506 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,079 um in its team of advisors believe the 1507 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,160 development project is viable and likely 1508 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,079 to be successful. 1509 01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,040 And then that agreement would have 1510 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,480 remedies typically including rights of 1511 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,119 reverter or some option to get the 1512 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:29,839 property back if you sell choose a 1513 01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:31,119 developer you think they're going to 1514 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:32,720 they're terrific and they have a great 1515 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,240 plan but they're unable to perform. So 1516 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,040 usually we try to mitigate the risk of 1517 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,960 failure by delaying the conveyance until 1518 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,720 the developer has all their ducks in a 1519 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,240 row. They've got their financing lined 1520 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,599 up. they're ready to pull a building 1521 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,680 permit, but there's always an outside 1522 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,599 chance that something goes south after 1523 01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,000 that. And so we we'd even build into the 1524 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000 agreement, you know, remedies at that 1525 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,880 point. But th those are the two key 1526 01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,720 opportunities for the public to weigh in 1527 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,559 on the process. 1528 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:04,160 >> Can I just add one more? And I think 1529 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,000 this is Jerry doesn't have the benefit 1530 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,440 of having sat through all the previous 1531 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,680 meetings. You've also instructed that 1532 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,160 before any RFP gets issued, you want the 1533 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,960 public to be involved in looking at um 1534 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,440 what that RFP would contain. Now, we we 1535 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,000 the only thing so far is what's shown in 1536 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,280 your housing element, the number of 1537 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,280 units, but there's a lot more detail 1538 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,440 that you want would want to be issuing 1539 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,200 when you go out looking for someone to 1540 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,520 partner with um to develop those sites. 1541 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,079 And that's when the public input will be 1542 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,079 extremely important so that you can 1543 01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,200 weigh all of their concerns and requests 1544 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,520 and make sure that you can accommodate 1545 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:44,950 um as many of those as possible. 1546 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,200 » Other questions? Yeah, Council Member 1547 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,280 Aberish, 1548 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760 >> thank you. Uh 1549 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,240 so thank you for walking us through the 1550 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,000 process of, you know, all the different 1551 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,480 options. Um, and I'm guessing that you 1552 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,960 have some idea, you know, of because 1553 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,079 right now it just sounds like there's 1554 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:04,319 all these different options and it's, 1555 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,160 you know, we could end up in any one of 1556 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,720 them, including, you know, private sale. 1557 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,400 Um, so I I was hoping to walk through 1558 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,680 them and just getting from your 1559 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,760 experience which, you know, what's the 1560 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,160 most likely outcome here? And I won't 1561 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,839 hold you, you know, I don't I don't 1562 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:19,440 expect you to, you know, predict exactly 1563 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,079 what's going to happen, but um do you 1564 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,839 have any thoughts on the likelihood that 1565 01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:26,319 we'll be able to find a solution to get 1566 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:29,359 80% development for housing on on that 1567 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:30,720 property 1568 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,440 >> on High Road? I really don't because I 1569 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,640 think one of the things we we need and 1570 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,520 um it's possible Sage is is may have 1571 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,880 done some of this work, but I would want 1572 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,000 to see a plotted easement map of that 1573 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,640 PG& easement. Going to assume you're not 1574 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,319 going to be able to put housing in the 1575 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:52,400 PG& easement area. So, one of the key 1576 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,720 considerations would be plot that 1577 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,039 easement and calculate what percentage 1578 01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,200 of the site is encumbered by that. And 1579 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,839 we know that's off limits. And is it 1580 01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:06,240 more or less than 20% of the site? 1581 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,720 And then hopefully it's considerably 1582 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,640 less than 20% because for any 1583 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,079 development, you know, you're not going 1584 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:16,000 to do very likely a zero lot line 1585 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,319 development and put a building and just 1586 01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:22,799 fill every square inch of the site. 1587 01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:25,839 Great. Thank you. And then um so if we 1588 01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:28,079 go down the other path or sorry if we do 1589 01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,520 if we are able to get the the 80% there 1590 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,000 um do you have experience on what the 1591 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,319 likelihood is that we would actually be 1592 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:39,200 able to like if we put it out to um a 1593 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,480 bid or to you know a request the term 1594 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,440 you used request for qualifications 1595 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,079 proposals 1596 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,559 >> qualifications or proposals it's or or 1597 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,599 perhaps a hybrid between the two. 1598 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,440 What's your experience on do we do they 1599 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,960 do you get many? Do you get some? Does 1600 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,280 it is it just kind of a crapshoot? 1601 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,119 >> It it's a little bit of a crapshoot 1602 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,680 there. One of the things that can make 1603 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,960 sites more or less attractive to the 1604 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,599 affordable housing developer community 1605 01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:12,880 is proximity to things like transit 1606 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,839 services, grocery stores. 1607 01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:19,359 And there's a complex scoring formula 1608 01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:22,319 for allocation of tax credits which are 1609 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:23,839 often used for affordable housing 1610 01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:30,240 projects that makes that improves the it's a low cost of financing, lower 1611 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,359 cost than private market. So it makes 1612 01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:37,039 projects that will generate limited 1613 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,680 rental income because they're affordable 1614 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,319 more financially viable if you can tap 1615 01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:46,400 into those sorts of funding. Also, state 1616 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,920 bond monies sometimes are available. So, 1617 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,880 um I don't know how this particular site 1618 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,880 would score. There are people who could 1619 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,720 tell us that. Um if if there is a 1620 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,799 possibility of doing a tax credit 1621 01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:04,480 project, there's a good chance that your 1622 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,440 prospective developers may propose an 1623 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,799 even more affordable project or a 1624 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,559 project that has more affordable units 1625 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,720 than the 40% I mentioned because they 1626 01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,200 may need to do that to tap into those 1627 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,839 other financing sources. So, it's a 1628 01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:21,200 little bit of a counterintuitive 1629 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,160 results. You would think more affordable 1630 01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,079 units would make it less financially 1631 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:27,760 viable, but that's not always the case 1632 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,280 if it enables you to tap into um good 1633 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,000 sources of lowcost financing. 1634 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,799 >> Thank you. And then if we have to go the 1635 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,680 other route, the surplus 1636 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,039 uh route um 1637 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,200 do you have any um when you send it out 1638 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,559 to the 300 plus uh developers, do you 1639 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:50,319 usually do you have an any experience on 1640 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,039 how frequently you you know you come up 1641 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:54,799 short and have to find a private buyer 1642 01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:58,559 or Yeah, I would think you would get 1643 01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,119 responses if you were to send it out to 1644 01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:05,680 300 groups. I don't know whether those 1645 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,799 responses would come from 1646 01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:11,760 the the group of, you know, well- 1647 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,920 reggarded housing affordable housing 1648 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,920 developers that you see up and down the 1649 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,839 peninsula that have a track record of 1650 01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,640 success. Hopefully, you would you would 1651 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,599 receive um responses 1652 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:25,520 from one or more of those if you went 1653 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,720 the surplus land act, the the surplus 1654 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,880 land process. 1655 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,039 But uh but as I mentioned earlier, I 1656 01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:34,720 think you have a little bit more control 1657 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880 under the the exempt surplus land 1658 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,000 process. 1659 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,829 >> Great. Thank you. 1660 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:43,359 » You're good. 1661 01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:46,720 >> Yeah. A lot of grounds been covered. Um 1662 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,680 maybe one thing that we didn't fully 1663 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,200 consider 1664 01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,720 uh is the first step to all this is 1665 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,720 the sewer capacity that we have to 1666 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,960 support density in that area. and we 1667 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,680 wound up putting a fair bit of our 1668 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000 required density in basically one square 1669 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,079 mile on the north side of town that's 1670 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,280 serviced by this sewer. So I guess the 1671 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,680 question is uh and we'll know more. I 1672 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,280 think this study comes out in about a 1673 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,960 month, right? That's when we got about a 1674 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,640 month. What happens if there's limited 1675 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,920 capacity or not enough capacity? We have 1676 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,920 a couple of competing projects in that 1677 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,000 area. 1678 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 Who gets the capacity? Is it first come 1679 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,520 first serve? Is it what happens if if we 1680 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,359 are limited or we are capacity 1681 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,960 constrained on sewer because we need 1682 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,510 that to support density. 1683 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,440 » Yeah, it's tough one. But 1684 01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:42,960 >> well, if the study comes back and shows 1685 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,440 you have a limited capacity, then we 1686 01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,040 will be back here in front of you, in 1687 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,040 front of the public um daylighting that 1688 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,759 and asking how you wish to proceed. Um 1689 01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,679 whether that is to try and figure out 1690 01:08:53,679 --> 01:08:56,239 how to get additional capacity or not. 1691 01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,400 um what the cost of that would be, h how 1692 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,960 that could be accomplished. Um you know, 1693 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,880 you don't run your own sewer plant here. 1694 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,719 We you know, you you have lines that run 1695 01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:07,199 through town, but but that's transferred 1696 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,080 elsewhere and we don't process that. Um 1697 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,920 so it's a it's a complicated issue and 1698 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,239 that's why uh you indicated that we 1699 01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:16,560 needed the master sewer study to 1700 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,040 indicate what the capacity is not only 1701 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,600 for um new development, but for existing 1702 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,440 homes, those homes that may end up with 1703 01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:26,319 a a failed septic system. um you you 1704 01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,239 really wanted to understand what is the 1705 01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,880 capacity for the town as it currently is 1706 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,510 developed and for future development 1707 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,400 » right and then the next part of that is 1708 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,679 say one project gets you know the green 1709 01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:43,600 light before another they are the first 1710 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,359 ones I guess to gobble up whatever's 1711 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,040 left of the capacity is that what winds 1712 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,719 up happening then another project might 1713 01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:51,040 end up not having 1714 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,199 any ability to connect to sewer and 1715 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:54,800 therefore becomes a dead project and now 1716 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,400 we have different issue, I guess, on our 1717 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,679 hands. We're running around trying to 1718 01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:00,719 find new units somewhere else. 1719 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:02,480 >> That's right. But, but since these are 1720 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,960 both town-owned sites, you control when 1721 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,159 and if you you issue the RFPs and when 1722 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,400 and is when and if you approve a 1723 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,480 developer and how you move forward. So, 1724 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,159 you have more control over these two 1725 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,280 sites and uh than you do if a private 1726 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,880 developer comes forward and wants to put 1727 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,440 up a project. 1728 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,199 >> Okay. 1729 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:26,239 in building out sewer in a constrained 1730 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,440 cost environment for the town. How would 1731 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,360 we how would we fund that even if we 1732 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,080 could get the sewer capacity from the 1733 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,480 provider? 1734 01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,719 >> Well, that's a question you'd have to 1735 01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:43,840 address after you get a full analysis. I know often um infrastructure projects 1736 01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,760 are bond measures that need to go to the 1737 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,199 voters and if it's approved by the 1738 01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,840 voters, then there's funding for those 1739 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,719 infrastructure improvements. Um if there 1740 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,239 if it's not approved, there's no funding 1741 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:55,360 for them. 1742 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,199 >> Okay. Thank you. 1743 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,159 >> Yes. Another question. 1744 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,880 >> One quick followup, I promise. Uh so 1745 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,000 Jerry, you're your expertise sounds like 1746 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,320 is in surplus property, you know, 1747 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,159 whether it's exempt or not exempt. Land 1748 01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:09,520 use, I guess, in general. 1749 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,239 >> Yeah, I'd say public private partnership 1750 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,239 development projects. So, usually 1751 01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:16,400 involving a public agency and a 1752 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,080 developer 1753 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,120 working to develop some challenging site 1754 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,080 or another. 1755 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,679 >> Very timely because I suspect a lot of 1756 01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,280 the people here are going to talk about 1757 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,520 some surplus property. So, I I do have a 1758 01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,520 question for you just to kind of tee 1759 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,120 that up and that is is there any 1760 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,280 obligation of the town to acquire 1761 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,000 surplus lands if we don't have any to 1762 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,880 build properties on? I mean, we're we're 1763 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,640 down to really our last few here with 1764 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,640 High Road and Raundo. We have a few 1765 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,120 others, but they're far more awkward 1766 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,600 than High Road. Is there any obligation 1767 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,640 for us to acquire lands uh affirmatively 1768 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,719 to go seek them out? 1769 01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:56,960 >> Yeah, that is something that is 1770 01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,520 completely not addressed by the surplus 1771 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,159 land act. It's really more, I think, 1772 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,679 relevant to the housing element question 1773 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,159 and how you meet your arena numbers. And 1774 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:09,840 >> so, it's a political decision. And it's 1775 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,600 not a policy decision. I mean, it's not 1776 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,360 a uh requirement. 1777 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,679 >> It's not a surplus. The surplus land act 1778 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:18,239 just deals with disposition of 1779 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,000 properties that 1780 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,880 >> a local agency owns and concludes it no 1781 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,480 longer needs for its own use. 1782 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,239 >> I assume that would apply to the state 1783 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,800 disposing of its surplus lands too. 1784 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,159 >> State agency state the um 1785 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:33,920 counties, 1786 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,320 special districts, 1787 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,440 the state. I don't know that state 1788 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,360 agencies are subject to that act to um 1789 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:44,800 they may have some independent 1790 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,080 requirements. 1791 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,480 >> Thank you. 1792 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,159 >> Okay, we know we got a lot of people 1793 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:52,960 here that want to comment on the uh 1794 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,760 item. So, uh we welcome your input and 1795 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,159 um they'll be captured for the record as 1796 01:12:58,159 --> 01:12:59,520 we move forward through what I think 1797 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,520 will I suspect is going to be a series 1798 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,239 of public meetings on this. But, uh 1799 01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,480 public comment is open. Would anybody 1800 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:09,840 like to kick us off? 1801 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:18,149 Miss Pleti. 1802 01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:22,320 » Hi, I'm Sue Pleti, a 37year resident of 1803 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,199 Raundo. And now we've identified two 1804 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:28,480 town sites. Now, we must evaluate 1805 01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,640 whether these sites can actually be 1806 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,960 developed once physical constraints and 1807 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,040 life safety regulations are examined 1808 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,440 more closely. At a meeting attended by 1809 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,159 several of us, the town attorney uh 1810 01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:41,840 explained that there was no fire code 1811 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,679 violation for the Raundo site because 1812 01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:46,159 there's no project. I understand that 1813 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,480 interpretation. Typically, the fire code 1814 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,400 is enforced at the building site, the 1815 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,040 building permit stage. Simply listing a 1816 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,480 site in the housing element does not 1817 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,880 itself create a fire code violation. But 1818 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,880 the absence of a violation today does 1819 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,640 not mean the site is feasible. 1820 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,360 Feasibility is the real question. Runny 1821 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,280 Rabundo is a narrow single access 1822 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,199 dead-end road that already serves more 1823 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,000 than 30 dwellings. The campfires is an 1824 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,159 example of why the fire code access 1825 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:16,000 requires uh requirements exist. 1826 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,080 There was gridlock and 85 people lost 1827 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,600 their lives. Some of them burned to 1828 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,080 death sitting in their cars. Fire code 1829 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,640 D107 mandates that once a road serves 1830 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,800 more than 30 dwelling units. Any 1831 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,640 additional development requires a 1832 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,280 separate secondary fire apparatus access 1833 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,600 road so residents and firefighters are 1834 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,080 not forced to rely on a single road. 1835 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,840 Given the physical constraints of the 1836 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,199 Raundo site, it is not clear how a 1837 01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,320 compliant secondary access road could be 1838 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,719 provided. The housing element identifies 1839 01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:48,880 sites that are available for potential 1840 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,360 housing, but it does not guarantee that 1841 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,560 every site can be ultimately built. When 1842 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,719 a site later proves unable to comply 1843 01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:59,120 with life safety laws, such as the fire 1844 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,520 code, towns commonly replace that site 1845 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,360 with another location that can 1846 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,840 physically or realistically meet both 1847 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,840 the housing and life safety 1848 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,640 requirements. For that reason, before 1849 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,440 issuing an RFP for the Raundo parcel, 1850 01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:17,679 I've asked a in a separate later letter letter dated March 6 to provide 1851 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,360 residents with a written determination 1852 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,000 for the town council as well as the fire 1853 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,800 code official regarding whether the site 1854 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,480 is safe, will not worsen life safety, 1855 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,880 and can physically comply with fire code 1856 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,920 sections D107 and D103. 1857 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,040 If a com compliant secondary fire 1858 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,960 apparatus access road cannot be 1859 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,000 provided, the site is infeasible for 1860 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,400 additional development. Proceeding with 1861 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,600 an RFP for a site that is not buildable 1862 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,960 would mislead prospective developers and 1863 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,199 expend public resources on a proposal 1864 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:56,239 that cannot meet life safety standards 1865 01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,640 or life safety mandates for that matter, 1866 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,199 particularly in a very high fire hazard 1867 01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,760 severity zone. We must ensure that the 1868 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,000 sites are physically capable of meeting 1869 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:07,840 the fire code in order to protect the 1870 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,080 town, potential developers, 1871 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,159 firefighters, existing and future 1872 01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:14,719 residents. If further analysis confirms 1873 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,880 that the Raundo site parcel cannot meet 1874 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,000 D107, the town can evaluate alternative 1875 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,320 sites while still meeting its housing 1876 01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,960 obligations. Addressing this question 1877 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,320 now would allow one sec. Addressing this 1878 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,000 question now would allow the town to 1879 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,640 refine its housing site inventory based 1880 01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,719 on phys feasibility without undermining 1881 01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,880 its commitment to state housing goals. 1882 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,880 Housing policy policy should 1883 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,560 >> I got to cut you at three. 1884 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,400 >> One second. I'm almost finished. Housing 1885 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,640 policy should never ask us to choose 1886 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,320 between building homes and protecting 1887 01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,880 lives. Before issuing an RFP, the town 1888 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,960 should first answer a simple question. 1889 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,960 Can this site legally and safely be 1890 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,040 built? If the answer is no, we should 1891 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,440 identify a site that can, I respectfully 1892 01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:59,840 ask the council to pause the RFP and 1893 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,600 choose a housing site that can safely 1894 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:02,880 meet the fire code. Thank you for your 1895 01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:03,120 time. 1896 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,560 >> Thank you, Sue. Thank you. And we're 1897 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,560 going to we really need to respect the 1898 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,000 three minutes just because I know there 1899 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,360 are a lot of people that are here to 1900 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,199 talk, but thank you, Sue. I know we've 1901 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:12,560 worked on this for three or four years 1902 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,360 together. 1903 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,159 Uh, next public comment member. Thank 1904 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,640 you. Hi, 1905 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,199 Welcome. 1906 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:22,800 >> Okay, so I'm gonna go in a totally 1907 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,400 different direction. I think it hasn't 1908 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,960 been brought up this evening, but um it 1909 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,080 needs to be brought up. Thank you. Yeah. 1910 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,760 Awesome. Um my name is Danielle Dearborn 1911 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,400 and I want to object to the town's 1912 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,600 consideration of acquisition of the 22 1913 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,239 acre Calr site along the east side of 1914 01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:45,280 Interstate 280. Uh first, the proposed 1915 01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,920 area is the only open space left on the 1916 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,120 east side within the town's 1917 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,640 jurisdiction. 1918 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,199 Furthermore, it is a recognized 1919 01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:56,480 California wildflower preserve and a 1920 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,360 protected monarch butterfly habitat and 1921 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,440 thus must not be paved over with a 1922 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,679 parking lot or constructed with a hotel, 1923 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,760 homes, offices, or structures of any 1924 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,400 kind. In addition, when the town 1925 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,560 dedicated Barkley Field, with which we 1926 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,440 are its most proximate and impacted 1927 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,760 residents, the town made a commitment 1928 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,679 that this land would never be developed 1929 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:20,800 for any reason. Second, the town council 1930 01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,040 continues to look almost exclusively at 1931 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,000 areas in Woodside east of 280 as the 1932 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,280 solution for the town's land needs. 1933 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,120 Those of us living there have been told 1934 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,440 repeatedly that other parts of Woodside, 1935 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,840 specifically near our downtown, would be 1936 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,400 considered for future projects. And yet, 1937 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,480 here we are again asking you to make 1938 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:43,520 good on past promises. Third, at the 1939 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,679 very least, continuing to pursue this 1940 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,000 will alienate both the town's east side 1941 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,880 residents and our neighbors. And while 1942 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,800 you each represent your respective 1943 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,520 districts, you personally and the town 1944 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,040 as a whole look unprofessional and even 1945 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,199 entitled every time you go back on your 1946 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:04,239 word. Finally, related to the above, 1947 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,520 it's disconcerting at best that until 1948 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,040 now there haven't been any public 1949 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,360 hearings seeking public comment about 1950 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,480 the town acquiring this land. When it 1951 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:16,640 appears our elected officials do things 1952 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,880 in secret, trust and confidence erode. 1953 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,520 In closing, I urge you to reiterate your 1954 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,000 prior promise to us and remove any and 1955 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,120 all Calrans land acquisition from 1956 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,840 consideration. As well, I ask that you 1957 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,080 do whatever is in within your power and 1958 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,040 ability and influence to ensure once and 1959 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,800 for all we will never see future 1960 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,960 development of any kind in this 1961 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,640 sensitive, protected area. Thank you. 1962 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,840 >> Thank you. Yes. 1963 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,600 And then we got we'll go to Zoom room 1964 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,199 next, but after Thank you. 1965 01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:53,120 >> Yeah. Um some similar comments on the 1966 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,880 same 22 acre parcel. 1967 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:55,280 >> Yep. 1968 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320 >> Um again, you know, as as was just 1969 01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,600 mentioned, it's you know, the 1970 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,679 development seems to keep going east of 1971 01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:05,280 280 versus west of 280. um that 1972 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,080 particular location, you know, that 1973 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,480 particular location has the highway. 1974 01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,480 Obviously, you know, even in the um 1975 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:13,760 public health guidelines by the 1976 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,520 California Air Resource Board, it says 1977 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,520 don't put housing within 500 ft of a 1978 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,840 highway and you're going to put high 1979 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,520 density units within that area of the 1980 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,159 highway. It's right on the pipeline. So, 1981 01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:25,679 it's on the pipeline, it's right on the 1982 01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,440 highway, and it's also got a hillside 1983 01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,800 that's going to keep whatever pollution 1984 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,679 in right there. So it's a very unfe in 1985 01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,760 addition to the you know destroying the 1986 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,080 natural habitat it also is pretty 1987 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,760 unhealthy place to put high you know 1988 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:41,920 high density housing. Um 1989 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,800 the other element is 280. I mean as you 1990 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,960 go up and down 280 everybody on the 1991 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,560 whole peninsula enjoys you know the 1992 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,120 scenic views. That is something that has 1993 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,920 been preserved in every community along 280 and that would completely 1994 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,760 disregard that whole you know whole 1995 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,480 original intent around 280. So I'd again 1996 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:02,960 ask and very well said in terms of you 1997 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,120 know not developing that land. We had 1998 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,360 the agreement when Barkley Park was done 1999 01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,920 that that would not be developed and 2000 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,880 even in this uh meeting it's like the 2001 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,239 thing that doesn't exist but everybody 2002 01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:15,840 knows it exists right so it's been in 2003 01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,840 the San Francisco paper that you're 2004 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,760 looking to buy it but there's no public 2005 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,520 hearing there's no public discussion on 2006 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,320 it. So I would expect that there would 2007 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,640 if you do plan on proceeding at all that 2008 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,320 you would have a public process for it 2009 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,040 so that people could besides myself um 2010 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,800 could come out and you know give the 2011 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,480 issues with it. Thank you. 2012 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:36,159 >> It's great. Just because that's come up 2013 01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,400 twice. Let me just say that um we 2014 01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,520 reported out a month ago that any 2015 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,600 initial response when the town is 2016 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,679 offered real property starts in close 2017 01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:48,000 session for one session and we committed 2018 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,080 to any other session should there be any 2019 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,600 response. Of course, it would be a 2020 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,199 public process. I just want people to be 2021 01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,280 clear about that. So, thank you though. 2022 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,950 Appreciate the comment. 2023 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,719 Other comments? We'll go to the Zoom 2024 01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:05,280 room. Um, Mr. Middleman. 2025 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,679 >> Uh, good evening. Uh, David Middleman, 2026 01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:10,000 280 Grand View up in the Western Hills. 2027 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,080 Um, you mentioned earlier that, you 2028 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,480 know, two of these sites are adding 2029 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,400 density in one square mile on the north 2030 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,199 end of town. And uh part of the 2031 01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:20,560 discussion three years ago was about 2032 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:21,920 spreading development throughout the 2033 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,560 town. With all due respect to our 2034 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,120 planning director, I feel that some I 2035 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,560 feel that the report is missing some 2036 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,600 important details. The report lacks a 2037 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,239 geographic representation of development 2038 01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,080 which would be useful for guiding 2039 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,480 further policy changes toward this goal. 2040 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:40,960 for example, are the programs that we've 2041 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,520 already implemented fulfilling that goal 2042 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,600 of adding density throughout the town or 2043 01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,320 is it still focused on certain areas of 2044 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:49,840 town? 2045 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,600 Secondly, while the report includes 2046 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,440 progress in terms of units, it does not 2047 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,360 include progress on the promised 2048 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,239 programs. For example, one such program 2049 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,239 I am aware that we have failed to 2050 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:04,719 complete is program H6 6.2. C the mod 2051 01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:06,960 evaluation modification of development 2052 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,280 standards in the Western Hills. Using 2053 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,120 the model developed in the Glenns, 2054 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,040 evaluate opportunities to relax 2055 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,800 development standards, including minimum 2056 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,280 lot sizes to provide property owners 2057 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,440 with more development flexibility, which 2058 01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,719 will remove barriers for the 2059 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,880 construction of new residential units 2060 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,120 and additions or remodels to existing 2061 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,320 units. complete this review and adopt an 2062 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,000 ordinance to modify development 2063 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,280 standards in the western hills 2064 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,920 neighborhoods by the end of 2025. I 2065 01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,159 quote to that from the housing element. 2066 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,560 We should report progress to HCB on both 2067 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,960 unit numbers and program development. 2068 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,639 Without doing so feels as if we are 2069 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,239 hiding the areas where we are falling 2070 01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:47,840 short. Thank you very much. 2071 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,440 >> Thank you David. 2072 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:50,800 >> Yeah, you want great. 2073 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,600 >> Sure. Um the numbers in the housing 2074 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,280 element particularly some of the due 2075 01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,639 dates were set many years ago. Um when 2076 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:01,520 we were in the very prolonged period of 2077 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,040 review by HCD, we asked them if we could 2078 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,600 come up with more realistic time frames 2079 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,159 uh for exactly this program being one of 2080 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,120 them because the due date for um uh 2081 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,880 adopting new standards of Western Hills 2082 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,760 was established long ago and the delay 2083 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,199 by HCD um pushed everything back. They 2084 01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,760 refused to allow additional time for 2085 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,600 that. Um it is on the work plan but um 2086 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,840 we have a actually have a call with HCD 2087 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,239 tomorrow to discuss that with them. Um 2088 01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,239 and I will assure you staff is moving as 2089 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,239 quickly as it can. I mean during this 2090 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:37,679 time period you've had a change in 2091 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:39,920 managers. You had a change in public 2092 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,480 works directors. Um you've lost your 2093 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:44,719 administrative service director. Um 2094 01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:46,480 there there's 2095 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:47,920 feel like I need to defend the plan of 2096 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,600 staff here. There's only so much people 2097 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,400 can do um if they're working as hard as 2098 01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,320 they can work. and we will be assuring 2099 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:56,159 HCD that we intend to get to this as 2100 01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,239 quickly as possible. 2101 01:24:58,239 --> 01:24:59,840 >> Thank you. And Sage, you I just want to 2102 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,320 add that um the report does go through 2103 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,560 all of the programs. Um so it's a 2104 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,360 requirement as as each annual progress 2105 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,520 report. I forget exactly which table it 2106 01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,840 is. Um but it requires that we go 2107 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,520 through each of the programs and report 2108 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,600 the status. So that is included in the 2109 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,920 report. I mean, and I will note we a 2110 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,600 planner that helps us a lot with housing 2111 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,679 issues has been on extended leave. We 2112 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:23,120 thought it'd be 3 months. It's kind of 2113 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,880 going on eight months. So, we're just 2114 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,480 we're it's on our plan. Just want to 2115 01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:27,760 reiterate that. 2116 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,800 >> Thank you very much. Please. 2117 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,960 >> Hello. Good evening. My name is Stacy 2118 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,280 Harris. I stood here a couple of years 2119 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,840 ago um speaking to most of the same of 2120 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,440 you in the room. So, good evening 2121 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,880 council members Burish Brown Gold Wall, 2122 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,920 Mayor Dowski, and town staff. Before I 2123 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,360 begin, I want to acknowledge the 2124 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,199 leadership this council showed a few 2125 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,520 years ago regarding the Farm Hill site. 2126 01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,440 When it became clear that exploring a 2127 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:54,880 reasonzoning there would conflict with 2128 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,320 the original intent of the land 2129 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,719 donation, the council finally withdrew 2130 01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:01,360 support. I want to give a special call 2131 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,760 out to Council Member Wall. You 2132 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,920 ultimately led that effort to honor the 2133 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,400 town's legal obligations to the Woodhill 2134 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,719 Estate's neighbors and why that land was 2135 01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:12,960 donated to Barkley Park. 2136 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,719 Many of us remember that evening and I 2137 01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:16,000 sure hope we're going to see the same 2138 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,400 leadership again with this decision for 2139 01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,880 you guys to stand back from exploring 2140 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,800 the 22 acre parcel owned by Calrans not 2141 01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,760 for sale and that you have no obligation 2142 01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:32,070 from which to develop. 2143 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,400 Danielle Dearborn and Bob Regusa were 2144 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,560 here. They already shared all the things 2145 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,480 that you know about this beautiful open 2146 01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:41,440 space that it sits on top of a PG&I pip 2147 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:44,560 PG& pipeline that there are species that 2148 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,040 are to be protected. 2149 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,199 But we should also point out that 2150 01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,239 Stanford has protected 8,000 acres of 2151 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,639 its rolling hills and that Woods 2152 01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:58,560 science's own Lawler Creek or some kind 2153 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,880 of area that you'll all know about was 2154 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:05,840 sold as private land 92 acres and it 2155 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,880 wasn't even allowed to be developed on. 2156 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,159 But yet somehow someone in this room or 2157 01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,080 maybe prior to this room thought it was 2158 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,360 appropriate to have a senator get on his 2159 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,040 side and bring forward a plan to donate 2160 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,480 uninhabitable, undevelopable land 2161 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:26,400 without anybody knowing, without any 2162 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,360 community input, and without any people 2163 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,719 wanting it. And so that's all been done. 2164 01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:34,639 Now, it's up to all of you to make the 2165 01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:36,239 same good promises that you've been 2166 01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,239 elected to make, which is to make the 2167 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,960 right decision and squash this 2168 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,719 possibility now. Thank you very much. 2169 01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:47,120 >> Thank you. And we'll go to the Zoom room 2170 01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,430 for Wendy. 2171 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,239 » Good evening. 2172 01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,320 >> My name is Wendy Buckley. Can you hear 2173 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:56,880 me? 2174 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:57,520 >> Yes. 2175 01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,639 >> Great. Uh, I've lived for 29 years on 2176 01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:03,520 Ridgeway Road in Woodside Hills. I 2177 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,360 currently serve as the president of the 2178 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,080 Woodside Hills Homes Association. I'm 2179 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,760 sorry not to be there in person, but I 2180 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,520 am in Southern California, so I 2181 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,719 appreciate this option to join via Zoom. 2182 01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,520 Um, I'm joining tonight to say that I am 2183 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,920 shocked that the council is even 2184 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,159 discussing the possible acquisition of 2185 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:25,920 the CALR land on the east side of 280. 2186 01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,480 Woodside has an approved housing element 2187 01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,639 already contentious, 2188 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:32,960 but this plan already disproportionately 2189 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,360 burdens Eastern Woodside, which 2190 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,920 represents about 20% of the acreage of 2191 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:42,560 the town with 75 to 90% of the proposed 2192 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,520 multifamily housing units in the plan if 2193 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,159 you include Kinyatta College. 2194 01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:50,000 We were told that this was unavoidable 2195 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,159 because the town owns some of the 2196 01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,639 parcels in the plan and therefore the 2197 01:28:54,639 --> 01:28:58,159 state can force us to build on them. So 2198 01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,360 why would you even think of buying more 2199 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,040 land? Particularly this land. It is the 2200 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,560 last open space in Woodside Hills. I 2201 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,960 wonder does open space only have value 2202 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,600 in western Woodside? 2203 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,440 We've also been told recently that the 2204 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,719 TCAP update process would possibly add 2205 01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,600 some housing units in the downtown area, 2206 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,560 which makes total sense. Now, suddenly, 2207 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,800 this new piece of land is on the table 2208 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,440 and mysteriously being presented as 2209 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:32,639 nearly a done deal in the press. Where 2210 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:35,120 did this come from? Who in this room 2211 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,320 wants this? From what I've read, the 2212 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,800 idea seems to have come from two people, 2213 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,600 Chris Shaw and Josh Becker. neither of 2214 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,400 whom is on the council. And Mr. Becker 2215 01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,960 doesn't even live here. Do we have an 2216 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,080 unelected shadow council in Woodside? I 2217 01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,639 hope not. And this is a wild guess, but 2218 01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:57,120 I am betting that Mr. Shaw lives on the 2219 01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,920 western side of 280. 2220 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,320 Frankly, I think this CALR land is a 2221 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,960 bright shiny object meant to distract 2222 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,679 from the work of the TECAP process to 2223 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:10,080 more equitably share the allocation of 2224 01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,840 multifamily housing around Woodside. 2225 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,800 Lastly, I find it incredible that the 2226 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,800 council member who represents Woodside 2227 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,440 Hills is being excluded from the 2228 01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,920 discussions on this topic because he 2229 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,960 lives in Woodside Hills. So, who is 2230 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,679 representing me and my other eastern 2231 01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:31,920 Woodside neighbors in your closed door 2232 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,040 sessions? You have just disenfranchised 2233 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,679 one quarter of the town's residents. 2234 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,440 This is the most significant issue 2235 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:42,719 affecting this area in decades, and we 2236 01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:45,760 have no voice at the table. That is 2237 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,480 wrong. So, I am asking the rest of the 2238 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,239 council, please just say no to this 2239 01:30:52,239 --> 01:31:03,590 terrible idea. Thank you. 2240 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:12,790 Wendy, and welcome. 2241 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:14,480 Uh, good evening, mayor, council 2242 01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:18,719 members, and residents. Um, I uh come up 2243 01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:20,880 here tonight uh along with many of my 2244 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,800 fellow residents to rise in strong 2245 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,760 opposition to the 22 acre uh CALR parcel 2246 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,880 uh being acquired by the town. Um, 2247 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,120 Woodside's uh identity rests on 2248 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,400 preserving our open space and uh 2249 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,320 beautiful character. And as an eastern 2250 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,239 Woodside resident and father of two 2251 01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:42,480 young children, uh it's of utmost 2252 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:45,199 importance to me that that character is 2253 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:46,960 maintained. It's a major part of why we 2254 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,760 moved to this town in the first place. 2255 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,920 um acquiring this parcel and adding it 2256 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,840 to our in inventory as has been said um 2257 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:59,360 at a time when the RN RHNA mandates uh 2258 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,000 and is pressuring us to uh develop 2259 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,719 existing town- owned sites uh is not 2260 01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:07,199 only unnecessary but uh is something 2261 01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,719 that could impact um others uh who have 2262 01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,719 young families like myself and and 2263 01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,560 anyone else with a long-term outlook for 2264 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,679 Woodside uh for generations. even small 2265 01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:19,760 moves forward could have reverberations 2266 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:24,320 that uh we believe uh my family and and 2267 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,920 um others that I've spoken with in the 2268 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,520 town believe uh are extremely detrime 2269 01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,760 detrimental to the character of Woodside 2270 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,080 and that we want to stand strongly in 2271 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,880 opposition to. Um, it's been said before 2272 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,199 about the public hearings and lack 2273 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,440 thereof for this and and I look forward 2274 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:43,520 to returning for any public hearings 2275 01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,679 that would take place, but I hope and 2276 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:48,320 urge uh the council to halt any and all 2277 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,000 negotiations um for this space. Um, we 2278 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,520 should preserve this open space for all 2279 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,239 of Woodside, both us Eastern residents 2280 01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:57,760 and the rest of the town. It's a 2281 01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:00,560 beautiful uh beautiful space uh and 2282 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,239 prioritize our shared values over 2283 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:04,800 unnecessary expansion. Thank you. Thank 2284 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,840 you. You know, Jean, is it worth I mean, 2285 01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,360 I think because of the article and 2286 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,920 there's some 2287 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:13,040 starting to feel a little bit more 2288 01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,000 advanced than perhaps actually where we 2289 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,480 are. Could you comment a little bit 2290 01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:21,760 about the fact that we were reached out 2291 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,400 to and we just were wanted to know what 2292 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,840 they were thinking and that's kind of 2293 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:26,719 where we are. 2294 01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:28,560 >> I can communicate to you what I I know. 2295 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,800 This was a process that was being um led 2296 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,679 by um town manager led better during his 2297 01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:35,520 time period here. So here's what I 2298 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:37,440 understand. My understanding is that 2299 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:40,560 Calrans reached out. I can't I don't 2300 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,080 have any information on other than what 2301 01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,760 I've also read in the press why that 2302 01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,600 occurred, but Calrans reached out 2303 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:46,960 indicated they were going to market the 2304 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,440 property and indicated that they were 2305 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,440 interested in knowing if Woodside would 2306 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,000 like to enter into discussions with them 2307 01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,960 um about a potential acquisition. Um, we 2308 01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,960 scheduled one close session uh as 2309 01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,800 allowed under the Brown Act to ask that 2310 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,639 question. And although the council was 2311 01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,159 not obligated at the end of that session 2312 01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:06,320 to report out, you did. And what you 2313 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,320 reported out is that this there was 2314 01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:14,159 interested in finding out from Calr what their plans were for the site and what the terms for acquisition would 2315 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:17,679 be. There's been um one follow-up 2316 01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,880 meeting which I attended. Um uh town 2317 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,320 manager Lead Better was supposed to 2318 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,520 attend but he declined to do so. Um and 2319 01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,000 CALR just in confirmed yes they are 2320 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,840 going to market the property and um 2321 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,159 indicated that if we were were serious 2322 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,480 about looking at it uh they'd like us to 2323 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:35,760 get back to them and I've done nothing 2324 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,560 further. 2325 01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:41,120 >> Mhm. And also as I recall it would be a 2326 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:44,239 fair market price which would be un 2327 01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:46,239 unattainable for the town of Woods. 2328 01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:48,080 >> Sorry but I don't have any information 2329 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:49,679 other than that one question that was 2330 01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:50,320 asked. 2331 01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:51,440 >> I'm not going to lead that. I got to 2332 01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:53,199 take one from the Zoom room quick. Um, 2333 01:34:53,199 --> 01:35:00,790 Kendra, 2334 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:09,030 » Kendra, you could unmute yourself. 2335 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:15,350 » Andrew, you might be on mute. 2336 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,000 I think we'll come back. Um, we're going 2337 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,040 to come back to you. Um 2338 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,199 and we'll we'll go we'll go here. Thank 2339 01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:26,790 you. 2340 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,960 » Okay. Thank 2341 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,159 >> it's always a little tough. 2342 01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:32,960 >> Thank you Martin Martin Dunsby. Um 2343 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,120 firstly on on the Calrans having worked 2344 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,600 with Calr that sounds astonishingly 2345 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,719 proactive of Calrans to reach out and 2346 01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:45,199 offer us 22 acres. I I can't conceive of 2347 01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:48,400 Calr independently and and and just 2348 01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:49,679 doing that. But anyway, the point that I 2349 01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:51,600 wanted to make is we all know that we've 2350 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,400 got significant um traffic and parking 2351 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,880 problems uh here in the town. And if we 2352 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,040 put housing, particularly new multif 2353 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,679 family housing in places that are kind 2354 01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,000 of effectively isolated with only a 2355 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,920 single road access, which both the 2356 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,400 parcels suffer from that. We're going to 2357 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,480 force every resident in those houses to 2358 01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,880 go get in their cars for anything that 2359 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,760 they need and drive here and park in our 2360 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,480 scarce parking spaces. Um we've got a 2361 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:20,159 phenomenal set of infrastructure here in 2362 01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:23,600 the town center, schools, 2363 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:27,280 um bars, hotels, the the uh um 2364 01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,639 supermarket, uh the library, um lots of 2365 01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:32,560 jobs for people. We need people to fill 2366 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,800 the jobs. We should be building multif 2367 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,040 family housing here in the town center 2368 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,600 where people can walk to those things. 2369 01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,679 Freeing up our spaces, reducing the 2370 01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:43,920 traffic, helping support the merchants 2371 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,159 in our community, putting their kids 2372 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,320 through our schools, participating in 2373 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,320 these kinds of offerings. It's crazy to 2374 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,760 go put these people in fields in the 2375 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,760 middle of nowhere when we can build 2376 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,440 maybe not 16 lots in one one homes in 2377 01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:59,679 one lot, but we've got space here. This 2378 01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:00,719 is where we should be building 2379 01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:04,080 community, building our town center into 2380 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,760 the center. 2381 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:11,830 >> Excellent. Thank you. 2382 01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,840 We'll try Karen in the Zoom room. 2383 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,719 >> Yeah. Hi. Um Karen Schultz. 2384 01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:23,840 >> Hi. Um I uh applaud um that uh response 2385 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,800 there. I also would just like to ask um 2386 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,520 regarding the the parcel off of high of 2387 01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,880 um high road. Will those residents have 2388 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,560 be where were the where were their 2389 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,480 children be allowed to go to elementary 2390 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:37,679 school? 2391 01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:40,239 >> Would they which school districts will 2392 01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:40,880 those 2393 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,119 >> I wrote I believe is Redwood City School 2394 01:37:43,119 --> 01:37:44,560 District. 2395 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,280 >> Okay. So again, you've chosen the most 2396 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,239 eastern part of Woodside that will not 2397 01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:52,400 uh have any effect on your public 2398 01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,600 schools, on your school systems, and I 2399 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000 think that's a very interesting uh 2400 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,400 choice and something that we're 2401 01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,920 considered now that we're considered 2402 01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,360 part of Woodside because you need the 2403 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:04,880 land, but we're not allowed to 2404 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,440 participate in in the school districts 2405 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,560 and the the elementary schools of your 2406 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,199 that that are fine that Woodside has. So 2407 01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:15,840 I just wanted to make that point. again 2408 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:18,480 on the eastern side being used for land 2409 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:23,440 versus um the western side. 2410 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:28,560 >> Thank you. 2411 01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:36,310 Uh we'll jump to Harpit. 2412 01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,400 » Yes, thank you very much. Uh this is 2413 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,000 Harprit and Nina from um the Woodridge 2414 01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,480 area. Um we were heavily involved in the 2415 01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,960 discussions three years ago um when we 2416 01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,840 were talking about the farm hill u land. 2417 01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,920 The the the town did the right thing 2418 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,840 then and we would urge you again to do 2419 01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,880 the right thing. This is a very 2420 01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,440 important piece of land for us to enjoy 2421 01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:01,360 the outdoors. You see many people there 2422 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,239 with their families with their pets. Um, 2423 01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,080 I would really I won't repeat what my 2424 01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,600 neighbors have said, but I would urge 2425 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,000 you to not buy land um that you haven't 2426 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,400 looked into the traffic flow, the 2427 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,639 environmental concerns, and the safety 2428 01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:17,280 concerns on what is on that land and is 2429 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,400 it safe for uh humans to habit it and 2430 01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,600 build housing on it. Um, this seems like 2431 01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,840 um I agree with the person before me who 2432 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,239 said that Cal Trains came forward to try 2433 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:30,239 and sell the land. I'm very surprised 2434 01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:32,480 that they would. um this feels like 2435 01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:34,400 there is something going on internally 2436 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:36,880 in an backdoor attempt to try and bring 2437 01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,119 this area back in for the housing 2438 01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,920 consideration. Um please don't do this. 2439 01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,119 We enjoy the land. Um and uh and you 2440 01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:47,040 kept your promises. You you you honored 2441 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,679 the covenants 3 years ago. Don't turn 2442 01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:51,440 your back on legal agreements, 2443 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:54,159 covenants. It it uh it it makes a 2444 01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:55,440 mockery of all of the legal 2445 01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:57,840 documentation that surrounds this area. 2446 01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,520 Um please go back and look at your 2447 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,440 notes. you did say you would explore the 2448 01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,600 downtown area. Please go back and do 2449 01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,920 that because that is really where folks 2450 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,040 that that need uh uh this type of 2451 01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,760 housing, find jobs, and making them 2452 01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,920 commute and use public system 2453 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:15,840 transportation systems isn't the right 2454 01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:17,679 answer. They should be able to work walk 2455 01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:20,239 to their jobs and find transportation 2456 01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:22,000 that gets them to their jobs relatively 2457 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,400 easily without having to own cars as 2458 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,639 well. 2459 01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:28,000 >> Very good. Thank you. 2460 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,000 >> Thank you. 2461 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,880 Hi 2462 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,000 to drop. 2463 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,159 >> Sage has got you covered. 2464 01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:39,679 >> Thank you so much. Hi everyone. Um I am 2465 01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,560 Well, that almost went too low. I'm uh 2466 01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,679 my name is Donna How. Um I'm a Woodside 2467 01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:48,480 resident uh speaking in support of 2468 01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:52,239 preserving the 22 acre Calrans parcel, 2469 01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,040 also known as Flax Hill by some of us as 2470 01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,600 open space and as an active wildlife 2471 01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,320 corridor. This parcel sits immediately 2472 01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,639 adjacent to the wildlife passage under 2473 01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:06,880 Interstate 280. Monitoring by the Fela 2474 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,400 Day Conservation Fund um through camera 2475 01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,159 traps and scat um collection has already 2476 01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:17,280 documented multiple species using this 2477 01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,159 crossing including bobcat, mule deer, 2478 01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,800 and coyote with mountain lions observed 2479 01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,679 in the surrounding area. These 2480 01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:28,080 observations are part of a much larger 2481 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,880 scientific effort. File day operates a 2482 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,760 regional network of more than 150 2483 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,360 wildlife cameras across the Bay Area to 2484 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,199 understand how animals move through 2485 01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:41,760 landscapes increasingly affected by 2486 01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,719 development. This location was selected 2487 01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:47,119 specifically because it sits next to 2488 01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:49,679 highquality habitat connected to the 2489 01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:52,000 Santa Cruz Mountains and the protected 2490 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:54,719 watershed lands of Crystal Springs 2491 01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:57,920 Reservoir. Highways like Interstate 280 2492 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,040 are major barriers for wildlife. 2493 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,520 For wide ranging species such as the 2494 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,600 mountain lion, highways can effectively 2495 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:09,119 function as walls unless unless safe 2496 01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:12,239 crossing points exist. But wildlife 2497 01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:14,320 crossings only work if the surrounding 2498 01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,280 land remains natural. When development 2499 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,280 occurs immediately adjacent to these 2500 01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,880 crossings, animals will often avoid them 2501 01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,679 entirely. Protecting the land around the 2502 01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:28,080 crossing is just as important as the 2503 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,600 crossing itself. This area also supports 2504 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,159 native grassland habitat and rare plant 2505 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,639 species that are increasingly uncommon 2506 01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:39,520 on the peninsula. Once landscapes like 2507 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,000 this are fragmented, they're extremely 2508 01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,040 difficult to restore. There is also an 2509 01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,280 important planning context. Under 2510 01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,560 California Assembly Bill 1889, 2511 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,800 I'd love to hear more about that. Cities 2512 01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,280 and counties must incorporate wildlife 2513 01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,840 and habitat connectivity into the 2514 01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,080 conservation element of their general 2515 01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,040 plans by 2028. 2516 01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,119 Protecting known wildlife corridors like 2517 01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,280 this one will help Woodside meet those 2518 01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,000 planning goals. I recognize the 2519 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,719 seriousness of the housing challenges 2520 01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:16,000 facing our town. This 22 acre parcel of 2521 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,280 land is not appropriate for development. 2522 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,760 Land that functions as a documented 2523 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,000 wildlife corridor deserves careful 2524 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,719 consideration. If the town does pursue 2525 01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:29,280 acquisition of this property or if the 2526 01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,000 property is given to the town, I 2527 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000 strongly encourage the council to 2528 01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,719 prioritize preserving it as open space 2529 01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:38,719 and protecting this functioning wildlife 2530 01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:40,960 corridor. Wildlife crossings across 2531 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,760 major highways are rare. Woodside could 2532 01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,320 protect one that 2533 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:47,280 >> Thank you for your time and 2534 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,239 consideration. 2535 01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:50,320 >> Thank you. 2536 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,320 Uh we'll try again Kendra in the Zoom 2537 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,669 room. 2538 01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:57,440 Sorry about that. My phone kicked me 2539 01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:00,239 off. Okay. 2540 01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:02,159 My name is Kendra Bllandelle and I'm a 2541 01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:04,159 third generation Woodside resident. My 2542 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:07,040 children are now fourth generation here. 2543 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,119 I'm sure that everyone who read about 2544 01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:11,520 Mr. Lebr's report had some thoughts 2545 01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,760 about what might have happened. However, 2546 01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,520 anyone who's ever been involved with a 2547 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,679 board or a council and who's had to 2548 01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:19,199 undergo legal action knows that there 2549 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:20,960 could easily be all sorts of details 2550 01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,520 that are not public. So no one should 2551 01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,440 jump to conclusions. 2552 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,040 For that reason, I don't have formed 2553 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:28,400 opinions on what must have happened 2554 01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,320 between the name mend. Conclusions will 2555 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,880 be drawn in time with attorneys. What 2556 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,880 concerns me is that this issue could 2557 01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,199 taint the plight that I have earnestly 2558 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,280 been fighting for ever since the 2559 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,679 beginning of this housing element having 2560 01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:44,400 been started. I believe to my core that 2561 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,400 Roundo Drive should not be added to the 2562 01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,480 list of places for building highdensity 2563 01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,560 housing. I've been arguing this for 2564 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:53,440 years now in writing in person over Zoom 2565 01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,840 with council's members themselves. 2566 01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,679 Someone said tonight the issue is that 2567 01:44:57,679 --> 01:44:59,119 all the residents of this town don't 2568 01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:00,880 have trust in the town council after 2569 01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,600 this report. I lost mine a long time 2570 01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:05,679 ago. Much like Don Hugh mentioned 2571 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,679 earlier, it was much more obvious that 2572 01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:09,760 the council was concerned not even with 2573 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,280 the requirements of the housing element, 2574 01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,360 but who they wanted to make happy or not 2575 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,760 make angry by sites or plans that were 2576 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,600 already struck down. 2577 01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,600 There were other options that made much 2578 01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,280 more sense that got taken away not 2579 01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,880 because of the land, but because of the 2580 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,040 people involved. And that's not right or 2581 01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,360 fair or appropriate. And that's what 2582 01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,760 breaks trust with the public. You're 2583 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,239 asking about resident input. Well, that 2584 01:45:32,239 --> 01:45:34,239 seems a little disingenuous. Here's my 2585 01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:37,119 repeated input. Roundo Drive is not an 2586 01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:40,320 appropriate place to build. And if you 2587 01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:41,920 gave me the next 15 minutes to debate 2588 01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,800 it, I could go on in detail. That site 2589 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,320 should not be used as highdensity 2590 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,800 housing. I think the council should go 2591 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,080 with the option that was offered tonight 2592 01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,960 to sell it to be kept open. We are a 2593 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,679 long deadend road. 2594 01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:57,679 We're against open space which is a 2595 01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:59,920 particular fire hazard. You want to talk 2596 01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,080 about woodside identity. We're an 2597 01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,840 equestrian community. You know, I ride 2598 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,840 woodside. Raundo is part of that 2599 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,600 heritage. We're part of the trail 2600 01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,679 system. We have access to Hutter Park. 2601 01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:11,760 We have many, many people who trailer 2602 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,760 here to ride their horses from here. 2603 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,600 Even people who aren't owners on this 2604 01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:17,840 land. We have our own ecoin therapy 2605 01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,800 center, NCFT on our road. We have high 2606 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,880 density pedestrian and horse traffic. 2607 01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:24,800 There's so many joggers and walkers who 2608 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,360 come here. It's not a conducive place to 2609 01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,600 have more traffic and congestion, but 2610 01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,760 you want to put another 17 units that'll 2611 01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,360 put dozens or more cars onto the road. 2612 01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,280 And as been mentioned before, all these 2613 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,800 product projects that you're talking 2614 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,960 about let out into the same small area 2615 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,400 of Kinyatta on the north end of 2616 01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,040 Woodside. It's not ideal. We don't have 2617 01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:46,400 public transit. We're not walking 2618 01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:47,679 distance from the center of town. We're 2619 01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:50,080 not near any amenities. 2620 01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,960 None of this makes sense. Please remove 2621 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:54,960 from your plans and find a new, more 2622 01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:02,159 appropriate site. Thank you. 2623 01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:07,600 >> Hi. Uh, I guess Okay, Steve. 2624 01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:08,880 >> I I think 2625 01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,040 >> Oh, I didn't Yeah, Stephanie is next. 2626 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,560 Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize the line 2627 01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:18,790 was all the way. Yeah, Stephanie. Hi. 2628 01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,800 » Um, I just have a quick question. At the 2629 01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:22,320 beginning of the report, you mentioned 2630 01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:26,320 that there are 16 lowincome units at 773 2631 01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:29,360 Kenyatta being proposed. How are you 2632 01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:30,639 going to show the state that those are 2633 01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:33,679 low-inccome units? 2634 01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:38,000 >> Would you be able to respond? 2635 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,760 >> Right now, the housing element has a 2636 01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:43,040 target of 16 moderate income units. 2637 01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,840 That's a target and it will pan out to 2638 01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,560 see what gets built there. Um, so at 2639 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,320 this point, we don't have a project uh 2640 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,400 proposed other than the subdivision. 2641 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:54,239 >> Well, okay. But it was at the beginning 2642 01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:55,600 of the report. Am I wrong? Did you say 2643 01:47:55,600 --> 01:48:00,550 that there was 16 low-inccome units? 2644 01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,880 No. Uh, what we indicated was exactly 2645 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,239 what the planning directors just said. 2646 01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:05,920 We were quoting from the housing element 2647 01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:07,920 what what is shown as projections in the 2648 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,679 housing element. 2649 01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:12,000 >> Oh, only shown as projections. Well, I'm 2650 01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,080 not sure how you're going to prove that 2651 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:17,679 there's any low-income housing. If you if you want to put low-income 2652 01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,639 housing at 773, it's becoming a problem 2653 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:21,760 because I don't know how you're going to 2654 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,080 prove to the state that it's actually 16 2655 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,840 units are going to be low-income housing 2656 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,000 at 773. How do you prove that to the 2657 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,760 state if if they were going to be 2658 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:34,070 low-income housing? 2659 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,000 » A project has different mechanisms in 2660 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,960 which they can record different income 2661 01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,199 levels. So, just to reiterate, the 2662 01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:43,840 housing element has a target of 16 2663 01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:45,679 moderate income housing units at that 2664 01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:46,560 site. Um, 2665 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:47,840 >> so it's moderate. 2666 01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,440 >> That's what it's always been, just to be 2667 01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,760 clear. It's in the housing element. 16 2668 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,719 moderate income housing. Uh, 16 moderate 2669 01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:58,000 income units. is a target to be met at 2670 01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,560 that site. These are targets that the 2671 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,080 town will try to meet. 2672 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,560 >> Okay. So, so now that's meeting. Okay. 2673 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:05,920 Thank you. 2674 01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,840 >> You 2675 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,800 uh yeah, hi. Of course, back toback 2676 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,639 makes sense. I think in this case, 2677 01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:15,199 >> uh David Disher, I've been here many 2678 01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:18,880 times talking about 773. Um page three 2679 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,440 talks about the remaining nine acres 2680 01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:24,719 being uh reszoned. Um, when we talk to 2681 01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:26,800 our neighbors about this project over 2682 01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,960 the years, um, a lot of them say, "Well, 2683 01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,920 um, the owner is a big-time property 2684 01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,600 developer and builder, very rich, lives 2685 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,119 in Woodside, very influential. He knows 2686 01:49:41,119 --> 01:49:43,360 how to influence." 2687 01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,159 I say to them, "I've met with each of 2688 01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:48,080 you except for Council Member Brown. 2689 01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,400 Some of you more than once." And I say 2690 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,960 to them, I found them very forthright. 2691 01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,080 Have some faith. 2692 01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,480 You are going to have an incredibly 2693 01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,880 important discretionary decision when 2694 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,400 these 2695 01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:05,840 nine acres come to you eventually 2696 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:10,800 to reszone from SR1 to R1. 2697 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:15,440 Something that is very, very unusual. 2698 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:17,840 I've asked Kevin Bryant. I've asked 2699 01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:19,920 Jason Led Better. I've asked Sage, "What 2700 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,840 are the criteria 2701 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,239 to make this decision?" 2702 01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:27,520 Completely subjective. 2703 01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:31,440 So when my neighbors read what was in 2704 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:33,840 that report 2705 01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,790 and they understand what I just said, 2706 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:42,400 some of them just give up 2707 01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,840 and I I try and say, "Have some faith." 2708 01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:49,350 Um 2709 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,320 I in my job I have become aware of how 2710 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,520 lobbying works. 2711 01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:01,119 Former politicians become lobbyists and 2712 01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:03,600 they use their personal relationships 2713 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,679 with other politicians 2714 01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:08,480 on behalf of their clients. 2715 01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:11,280 Unfortunately, that's 2716 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:12,800 one of the allegations in this 2717 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,960 whistleblower report. 2718 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,880 Um, 2719 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,199 I'm going to keep my faith in you. I've 2720 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:21,600 met you individually. 2721 01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,600 Um, 2722 01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:26,480 but I've got to tell you, there is a 2723 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:29,280 shaking of confidence, 2724 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:30,719 especially with what's going on with 2725 01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:33,119 773. 2726 01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:38,070 Um, because it is so discretionary. 2727 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,920 Um, 2728 01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,280 I don't know how the investigation will 2729 01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,800 get at the some of these issues that 2730 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,400 relate to somebody who's not a public 2731 01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:51,040 official anymore. 2732 01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,840 And that concerns me. 2733 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,679 Um, I've talked about one of the most 2734 01:51:57,679 --> 01:51:59,760 important parts of this project is the 2735 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,239 road and you've listened to me and 2736 01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:05,199 that's now part not part of the plan and 2737 01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:08,880 that I'm I'm very happy about that. 2738 01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,560 Um, but the neighbors are still 2739 01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:12,880 incredibly concerned 2740 01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:16,159 about this reszoning, what it means for 2741 01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:17,360 the community, what it means for 2742 01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,159 Woodside at large. Thank you. 2743 01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:24,070 >> Thank you. 2744 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:26,239 Uh, we'll go back to the Zoom room for 2745 01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:32,550 Alexandra. 2746 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,560 » Yes. Hello. My name is Alexandra 2747 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,199 Nimovski. I'm a resident of Woodside 2748 01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:40,000 Hills on Crest Road. 2749 01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:45,599 >> Uh, we have lived there for since 2002. 2750 01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:51,040 >> Quarter of century. And um I just 2751 01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:54,400 I mean I I'm sure if we were to do a 2752 01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,520 survey of all of the residents, all of 2753 01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,360 250ome 2754 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:03,119 households of Woodside Hills, not one of 2755 01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:06,960 them would be in favor of developing the 2756 01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:11,760 cult parcel. But I wanted to speak on a 2757 01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,639 positive note and just draw a picture 2758 01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:21,119 that makes most sense to me. Uh we are 2759 01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:23,760 obligated by the state to build 2760 01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,360 affordable housing units. We have our 2761 01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:31,199 town workers, our firefighters, our 2762 01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:34,000 teachers, 2763 01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:39,119 and we are a fairly welloff town. So why 2764 01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:43,199 do we need to sell our surplus lands to 2765 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:47,199 the developer and then god knows who 2766 01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:50,480 will move into those units. If we could 2767 01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:52,320 just take 2768 01:53:52,320 --> 01:54:00,719 a parcel downtown when teachers can walk to the school uh when uh the town 2769 01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:03,280 workers could walk to town, the 2770 01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:06,719 firefighters are right there and develop 2771 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,040 maybe a smaller number of units, maybe 2772 01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:13,840 not, you know, 15, maybe 10 units, but 2773 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,960 we wouldn't have to sell that land. We 2774 01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:21,679 would just hire a builder and build 10 2775 01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:25,119 or 12 affordable units and make our 2776 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:28,639 special program for our people and meet 2777 01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:31,360 the state requirements at the same time. 2778 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,560 Tell me why it is not possible. Thank 2779 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:38,470 you. 2780 01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,920 » Thank you. 2781 01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,840 I think we tried some zoning overlays in 2782 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,560 the downtown in the last cycle and uh we 2783 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,080 couldn't get private property owners 2784 01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,719 interested, but it's a great idea. We 2785 01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:50,480 certainly support it. 2786 01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,480 >> Hi, Miss Hansen. 2787 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:55,599 >> Uh I'm Kim Hansen, live on Ray Mundo. 2788 01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,199 I've been coming to talk to you all 2789 01:54:57,199 --> 01:55:00,000 about this for the almost maybe every 2790 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,800 meeting, but tonight was real. I've got 2791 01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,119 so much to say, but tonight was so 2792 01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:09,520 different because of attorney Jerry. We 2793 01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,920 I think that everyone has come here with 2794 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:13,760 the best intentions to deal with the 2795 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,400 pressures from the state to try to sol 2796 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,599 to represent our constituents and to try 2797 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,520 to solve the problems that's been put 2798 01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:25,040 upon us by the state. But we in all of 2799 01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:27,280 these discussions there was no talk 2800 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,760 about selling the land. There was no 2801 01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:32,159 talk about leasing the land. We were 2802 01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:34,480 going to partner with a developer. And 2803 01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:37,119 now for the first time I'm hearing that 2804 01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:40,880 the land may change hands. Um I'm also 2805 01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,199 hearing for the first time that it would 2806 01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,400 have these permanent covenants that we 2807 01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:49,119 would actually change like all of this 2808 01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:52,159 is new. So even with the best intentions 2809 01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:54,800 at what point did you guys say holy 2810 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,639 we need somebody who knows what's going 2811 01:55:56,639 --> 01:56:00,719 on? What when did that happen? the we 2812 01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:04,719 were told relax you know once we 2813 01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:06,719 identify these sites we have to do this 2814 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,119 by the state we'll just reszone them and 2815 01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:11,199 see what happens we'll see what 2816 01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:13,679 developers come up and make a proposal 2817 01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:15,760 we'll partner with them we weren't told 2818 01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,080 they would be designated as surplus land 2819 01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,800 forever and forever determined and 2820 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,880 they're not surplus land surplus land is 2821 01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,000 land you don't need the land on Rayundo 2822 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,760 is land we've been using And I've got so 2823 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:30,880 much to say, but I'm going to I'm going 2824 01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:34,480 to pivot. So for so if the state is 2825 01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:37,520 saying that we have to present an RFP 2826 01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,239 under their timeline, then we need to 2827 01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:42,080 define this like who's going to write 2828 01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:44,800 the RFP? Is it going to be a lease? Are 2829 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,360 we going to sell it? Are the residents 2830 01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:49,840 going to have to pay for everything? Is 2831 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,159 town going to own it? What is the price? 2832 01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,880 Will town subsidize or partner? Are you 2833 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,760 going to ask citizens to pay for this as 2834 01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:00,080 well as any modifications to comply with 2835 01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,239 fire code? Are we going to have to pay 2836 01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:03,920 for the new fire engine that we don't 2837 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,400 have for three-story buildings? Now, 2838 01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:10,080 I've heard from Attorney Jerry that 80% 2839 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,000 has to be developed. Does that mean 2840 01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,679 we're going to put high high density 2841 01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:15,119 with only like a little strip of 2842 01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:18,000 concrete or maybe some annual plants 2843 01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,760 planted? I mean, if and do we have to 2844 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,520 wait for our families to burn while we 2845 01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,840 borrow a fire truck and we're stuck and 2846 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:31,360 can't defend or evacuate? I mean, who pays for this compliance? Also, we 2847 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,239 have no sewer no sewer for the the 2848 01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:37,040 Rayundo site. So, who's going to pay for 2849 01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,440 the $3 million infrastructure that's put 2850 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,320 in as well as increased sewer rates and 2851 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,760 any town and downstream structure? I 2852 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:47,920 don't want to pay for that. And then if 2853 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:51,520 my 73y old house, if the septic fails, 2854 01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,840 then I don't get to I don't get to 2855 01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:55,440 shower, and shave. I just have to let 2856 01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,440 the apartment down the street with 17 2857 01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,840 units do their thing and I do nothing. 2858 01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:01,199 Thank you. 2859 01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:08,950 >> Thanks, Kim. 2860 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,599 » Steve Luben again. Um, I I think a lot 2861 01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:13,599 of the comments tonight have pointed out 2862 01:58:13,599 --> 01:58:15,520 really the folly of the way the town 2863 01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:17,040 approached the housing element in the 2864 01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,599 first place by going out and trying to 2865 01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:21,360 make deals with individual property 2866 01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,679 owners. You only succeeded with one of 2867 01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:26,320 those and that ended up in our backyard. 2868 01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:29,199 Um, but it should have been there should 2869 01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:31,119 have been comprehensive planning looking 2870 01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:32,880 at the carrying capacity, looking where 2871 01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,239 there's transportation, looking where 2872 01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:36,719 there's sewage and and and it should 2873 01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:38,239 have been approached from a planning 2874 01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:40,400 point of view. and then uh then created 2875 01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,639 zoning that allowed private people to 2876 01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:45,440 develop properties on a smaller scale, 2877 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,920 more missing middle sort of things. We 2878 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:56,080 can still do that. Um it's uh as far as 773 Kinyatta Road, it's uh there's 2879 01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,719 currently a parcel map before the town 2880 01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:00,719 that has 20 units on that. I actually 2881 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:03,119 think that might, you know, it's more 2882 01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:06,080 than the 16, but they're smaller and and 2883 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:08,159 more compact, which I think is a better 2884 01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:09,199 design. I don't know if it's going to 2885 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:10,800 end up with that many, but maybe they 2886 01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,560 could be cheaper. Um, but how then with 2887 01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:17,520 a private developer, do you I think Sage 2888 01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,119 has asked for this from the developer, 2889 01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:22,639 but how do you see that those continue 2890 01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:26,320 to be affordable? Uh, that's a a huge 2891 01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,960 issue with that. As far as the 22 acres, 2892 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,440 it's it's really suspicious that Chris 2893 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:34,880 Shaw and our senator come or first, you 2894 01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:36,639 know, talked to the chronicle about this 2895 01:59:36,639 --> 01:59:39,199 and it it there it is. And then all of a 2896 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:40,880 sudden, you all know I've been, you 2897 01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,599 know, 1976, I was on the Wildflower 2898 01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:45,599 Committee. I drew a map showing 2899 01:59:45,599 --> 01:59:48,560 controlled access and and andformational 2900 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,360 signage for that site. the town asked 2901 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,520 Calrans to maintain that site as a 2902 01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:56,639 wildflower reservation when Calrans 2903 01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:58,880 wanted to sell it after 280 was built. 2904 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:00,719 Uh that it that it appears in the 2905 02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,639 chronicle and then all of a sudden while 2906 02:00:02,639 --> 02:00:04,400 I'm trying to work through the open 2907 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,800 space committee to get the general plan 2908 02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:12,000 modified for this site, the town has a 2909 02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,320 non-public hearing about it. This, you 2910 02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,159 know, you can only imagine how surprised 2911 02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:21,199 I was. And my last comment is is about 2912 02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:24,239 unpermitted ADUs. Uh a little over a 2913 02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,880 year ago, there was a state legislation 2914 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:31,199 that uh required ADUs, unpermitted ABUS 2915 02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:34,800 to be legalized only meeting health and 2916 02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:36,480 safety codes, not meeting local 2917 02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:40,480 ordinances or uh planning codes. Uh we 2918 02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:43,599 have a client who came into the town and 2919 02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:46,480 the the uh planning the uh building 2920 02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,400 department came up with a very expensive 2921 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,159 list of stuff for them to do. I've been 2922 02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:52,400 trying to work with Sage who says yes 2923 02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:55,119 this is this is the law and we're now 2924 02:00:55,119 --> 02:00:56,960 trying to convince the building 2925 02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,280 department to get with a program and 2926 02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,280 make it easier for people to legalize 2927 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:04,239 ADUs. And I hope you support that e 2928 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,000 effort. 2929 02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:08,480 >> Great. Thank you. 2930 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:09,840 We'll do one more and then we'll jump to 2931 02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:11,520 the Zoom. 2932 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:12,719 >> Am I the last? 2933 02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:15,360 >> Well, so far the night is young. 2934 02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:17,920 >> Uh good evening. My name is Rick Dalton. 2935 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:21,040 Uh my wife and I and our family uh moved 2936 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,040 to Woodside Hills about a little live 2937 02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,760 over 30 years ago and we enjoy and love 2938 02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:31,520 our community. We love our neighbors and all the things about Woodside. Um 2939 02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:34,080 and I might say at the outset that uh 2940 02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:36,560 you guys have a hard job. I think we all 2941 02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:38,880 understand that. I for one appreciate 2942 02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:41,599 that. Um before I launch into some 2943 02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:43,199 complaints, 2944 02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:46,080 let me at least say thank you. Um 2945 02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:49,119 listen, yeah. 2946 02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:50,639 Uh 2947 02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:52,800 listen, it's is and by the way, one of 2948 02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:54,480 the sentiments you've heard earlier that 2949 02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:56,159 those of us who live on the east side, 2950 02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:57,840 frankly, it's a little frustrating. You 2951 02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,760 know, I mentioned my kids. I had to I 2952 02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:01,920 wasn't able to take them to Woodside 2953 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,880 schools. I had to find other schooling 2954 02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,920 for them. Uh so there's a little it's a 2955 02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:10,080 little uncomfortable frankly living on 2956 02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,719 the east side and always having issues 2957 02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:15,360 come down against and if you have a 2958 02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:16,800 problem squish it over to the other side 2959 02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,880 of 280 it is a little frustrating. Um 2960 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:22,719 however 2961 02:02:22,719 --> 02:02:25,520 there are serious issues related to the 2962 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,000 two parcels that you've pegged and I 2963 02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:29,840 know you understand that. I'm sure the 2964 02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:32,400 town uh management understands that. But 2965 02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,480 there are serious issues that we who 2966 02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:36,880 live there and are concerned about the 2967 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,560 safety issues. We're concerned about the 2968 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,000 fire issues. We're concerned about the 2969 02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:42,400 grading issues and the traffic issues. 2970 02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,119 We would like to have a voice in this. 2971 02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,080 And I would just I for one would plead 2972 02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:50,400 with you ask you please respect your 2973 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,280 neighbors on the east side. Allow us a 2974 02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:57,119 voice before you go out to an RFP. allow 2975 02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:58,960 this a neighborhood committee of some 2976 02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:02,239 form to at least express and have a 2977 02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:04,400 voice in some of these issues. We 2978 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,800 understand that housing is important. We 2979 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:09,040 understand it needs to happen. If it's 2980 02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,760 going to happen in our neighborhood, not 2981 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:14,400 your neighborhood, in our neighborhood, 2982 02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:18,159 please give us the time, give us the 2983 02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:22,000 opportunity to voice our concerns. Thank 2984 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,599 you for what you're doing. I appreciate 2985 02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:26,800 it sincerely and thanks for the time. 2986 02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:30,470 >> Thank you. 2987 02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:30,880 » Okay, 2988 02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,280 >> I just want to take like one minute left 2989 02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:34,960 of my first question. How are you going 2990 02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:36,320 to prove moderate? 2991 02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,000 >> I'm going to take somebody from the 2992 02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:39,840 >> Zoom room and then 2993 02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:41,920 >> uh we'll see if we can do second bites 2994 02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:51,510 or not. Um so this is iPad 67. 2995 02:03:51,520 --> 02:04:01,430 » You're muted. You could unmute yourself. 2996 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:07,830 » iPad 67, you appear to be muted. 2997 02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,880 Okay. Well, um, is there another public 2998 02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:14,719 comment? Uh, yes. Hi, Alia. 2999 02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:19,199 >> Hi. I have three three things. I I you 3000 02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:22,159 heard Steve's anger about Flax Hill and 3001 02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:25,440 he has been working on it since 1976 and 3002 02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,679 um he he not many people know this but 3003 02:04:27,679 --> 02:04:32,000 he was instrumental in getting um Calran 3004 02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:35,840 stopped by going to the PU from 3005 02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,840 >> Hijin sorry 80 foot swath when you know 3006 02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:43,360 how wide is a truck to get in and so we 3007 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:45,679 managed to get them to reduce the size 3008 02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:47,920 of the swath and then We had Craig 3009 02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:50,000 Draymond who's been working on Kite Hill 3010 02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,719 to help with the restoration. It's a 3011 02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:55,040 beautiful site. Pretty soon, if not 3012 02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:56,480 right now, the wild flowers are 3013 02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:58,480 spectacular. So, I encourage you all to 3014 02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:00,320 go out there. There's a hole in the 3015 02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,239 fence next to Barkley Fields and you can 3016 02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:06,880 get through. Um, second 773, the the 3017 02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,440 plan as currently proposed is really 3018 02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:13,199 bad. It's horrible. We accept that it 3019 02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:14,880 will be developed, but it's got to be 3020 02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:19,280 done smartly. and the current plan uh 3021 02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:22,639 violates so many 3022 02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:25,119 you know aesthetic design guideline 3023 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:28,560 general plan uh issues. So I hope it 3024 02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:32,480 will have a proper review. And lastly, I 3025 02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:34,320 did not know this during the housing 3026 02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:36,960 meetings and we only found out recently 3027 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:41,199 and we Sage now knows about it about if 3028 02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:46,800 a structure was built before 2020 AB2533 3029 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:48,480 says you don't have to bring it up to 3030 02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:51,679 code. And I brought this to you in our 3031 02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:54,719 discussions. I said, "If this takes the 3032 02:05:54,719 --> 02:05:57,360 pressure off your numbers and helps with 3033 02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,920 the overall requirement, 3034 02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:02,000 I would like the town to put out some 3035 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:04,560 kind of a notice or a letter. I can 3036 02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:08,800 bring you 15 ADUs tomorrow if these 3037 02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:10,719 people know they don't have to spend 20 3038 02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:14,639 or $30,000 to upgrade them. 3039 02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,480 They exist." We joke about, we used to 3040 02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:17,920 joke when Steve was on the planning 3041 02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:19,440 commission, I was on the ASRB about all 3042 02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:20,880 these granny units. And I said, "Well, 3043 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:22,159 how many granny's are visiting 3044 02:06:22,159 --> 02:06:25,920 Woodside?" But, um, they're out there 3045 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,480 and it it might help with your numbers, 3046 02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,560 but I I not a lot of people know about 3047 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,320 it. The staff only found out about it 3048 02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,960 about what, year and a half ago. Um, I 3049 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,679 think, you know, it's not a well-known 3050 02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:43,520 fact, but AB 2533 says we can do this. 3051 02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,000 And I I encourage the council to look 3052 02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48,480 into this and maybe somehow make it 3053 02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:50,719 public cuz people may come out of the 3054 02:06:50,719 --> 02:06:51,520 woodwork. 3055 02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:56,229 >> Yeah. Interesting. Thank you. 3056 02:06:56,239 --> 02:07:00,239 » Uh yes. 3057 02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:03,920 >> Oh, this is good. Um Teresa Sephick, a 3058 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,719 new time resident of Woodside Hills. Um, 3059 02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:09,760 I have just I've been listening to the 3060 02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,079 proceedings and everyone's committed to 3061 02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,320 transparency, but the only time and 3062 02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:17,199 please excuse my naivee for how these 3063 02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:20,000 things happen, but the only time that 3064 02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,000 I've heard anything that's talked about 3065 02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:24,159 a vote is when Gan was talking about the 3066 02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:28,239 infrastructure for the sewer and that might have to go to a bond and then 3067 02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:30,719 there would be a vote. I've heard um 3068 02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:33,360 committees asked to be formed. I've 3069 02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,159 heard a lot of impassion speeches and 3070 02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:37,840 I've heard yes we're committed to 3071 02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:39,760 transparency and yes we'll have public 3072 02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,000 hearings and yes there will be processes 3073 02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:44,719 points in the process where you can be 3074 02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:48,159 heard. There's being heard and there's 3075 02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:51,119 having teeth and I've heard nowhere 3076 02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:52,960 along these lines where we have any 3077 02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:57,119 teeth. We can be heard and that's great 3078 02:07:57,119 --> 02:08:02,320 and that's wonderful but I mean when do we have teeth? It seems like 3079 02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,000 there's been a lot of talk about 3080 02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:07,119 representation that really wasn't voted 3081 02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:10,239 for or perhaps approved ahead of time. 3082 02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:13,199 So, I'm just curious as to where's our 3083 02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:15,760 teeth. 3084 02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,920 >> Thank you. Uh I think what we're doing 3085 02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,000 tonight is 3086 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:21,920 trying to incorporate what we're hearing 3087 02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:24,159 and um not that we can give direction 3088 02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:25,920 tonight because this is anformational 3089 02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,880 report out. Uh but uh it's certainly 3090 02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:30,560 helping us form what we think we're 3091 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,320 going to need to do in order to engage 3092 02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:34,560 with the public to get all the input 3093 02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:37,760 that needs to go into this process. So 3094 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:40,239 um we're trying. 3095 02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:42,239 >> Hi Stephanie for your extra minute. You 3096 02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:42,560 said 3097 02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:43,920 >> thank you. It's important it's important 3098 02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,119 that we know what number where the 3099 02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:46,880 numbers are coming from. So, if we have 3100 02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:50,960 this private land owner developing this 3101 02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:54,719 um up to 20 acre at 773 and we're going 3102 02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:56,960 to designated it as multif family as um 3103 02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:58,800 medium income 3104 02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:00,400 >> and we're going to designate it as 3105 02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:03,199 medium income, then he either has to 3106 02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:05,840 deed restrict or he has to turn in a lot 3107 02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:07,280 of paperwork. The owners have to turn in 3108 02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,800 a lot of paperwork. It affects how much 3109 02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:11,119 he can make on the property. Is he 3110 02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:15,109 willing to do that? 3111 02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:16,800 There's no development project on the 3112 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,400 table. We don't have an application to 3113 02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:19,360 develop the property. 3114 02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:20,400 >> The application have been turned in. 3115 02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,639 >> It is just to subdivide the property. 3116 02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:25,119 That's all we have been proposed so far. 3117 02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:25,520 Okay. 3118 02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,119 >> When someone proposes to develop it, 3119 02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:28,400 we'd have to go through all those 3120 02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:28,960 details. 3121 02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:32,159 >> It So, the third way that you can prove 3122 02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:33,840 moant 3123 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:35,920 income is by the town writing an 3124 02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:38,400 analysis. with this number of houses on 3125 02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:40,960 this piece of property built and 3126 02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:42,560 constructed this way, it has to be 3127 02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:44,800 medium income. Does the town feel that 3128 02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:46,800 they could justify an analysis to the 3129 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:48,159 housing limit? 3130 02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:49,599 >> We're not anywhere close to that 3131 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:51,920 analysis. We're simply processing a 3132 02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:53,199 subdivision map at this time. 3133 02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:54,800 >> All right. Well, it seems very hard to 3134 02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,880 believe that a private land owner would 3135 02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,320 designate it his his own property as 3136 02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:02,000 median income without some kind of 3137 02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,159 incentives. And those incentives were 3138 02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:06,320 never talked about when this site was 3139 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:09,599 chosen. And I just don't think that you 3140 02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:12,079 can count it as median income. 3141 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,920 >> It's just a target. So, we'll see what 3142 02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:15,280 project comes before us. 3143 02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:15,760 >> Okay. 3144 02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,119 >> Thank you. Okay. We're going to try iPad 3145 02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:23,119 67 one more time. 3146 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:25,119 >> I think that's me. Is that it? Can you 3147 02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:25,679 hear me? 3148 02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:26,400 >> We can. 3149 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:29,040 >> Oh, hi. My name is Tony Donaldson and I 3150 02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:31,440 live on High Road and I've been 3151 02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,360 listening to all the comments and I feel 3152 02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,920 like I'm back three years ago listening 3153 02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,800 to the same things over and over. And 3154 02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,599 when you talk about public opinion and 3155 02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:44,880 inputting things, it's very frustrating 3156 02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:48,000 for me because we try we've tried for 3157 02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,079 three years to give public opinion and 3158 02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,280 input and show up at meetings and try to 3159 02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:56,239 present, you know, objections to things 3160 02:10:56,239 --> 02:10:58,719 and it just doesn't seem to go anywhere 3161 02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:01,440 other than the one parcel that you did 3162 02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:03,520 take off because it had already been 3163 02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:05,440 promised that it would never be used for 3164 02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:08,800 building. So the issues that you're 3165 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:11,119 looking at on Ramondo and on High Road, 3166 02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:13,280 which is the fi the fire issues, they're 3167 02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:16,159 both streets that you go into and then 3168 02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:18,719 you you there's one way in and one way 3169 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:22,159 out. You know, on High Road there's 3170 02:11:22,159 --> 02:11:24,239 traffic, a horrible traffic in the 3171 02:11:24,239 --> 02:11:27,199 morning on Woodside Road coming off of 3172 02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,599 Hyde Road and in the afternoon we've got 3173 02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:31,360 a high school across the street. We've 3174 02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:34,000 got people coming off of 280 that backs 3175 02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:37,520 up for 20 minutes. Now, between now and 3176 02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,400 May, you can't even drive down High Road 3177 02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:42,639 most of the time except on the weekends 3178 02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:44,480 because they're working on the road and 3179 02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:47,280 it's closed off. So, we have to go all 3180 02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:51,040 the way almost from two high roadside 3181 02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,840 all the way up to Alamita to get 3182 02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,480 anywhere. That's another 10 minutes in, 3183 02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,800 another 10 minutes out. You do that a 3184 02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:00,960 couple of times a day and you've put an 3185 02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:03,280 extra hour onto whatever you're doing 3186 02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:06,239 during the day. It these things that 3187 02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:07,679 they're you're talking about traffic 3188 02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:11,199 patterns and fire hazards and PG& 3189 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,239 easements and sewer issues. Shouldn't 3190 02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:19,199 those have been looked at before these parcels were actually put on a 3191 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:22,320 housing element? I mean, what happens if 3192 02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:25,280 on high road the the sewer issue is a is 3193 02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:28,079 a they can't build on it or the PG& 3194 02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:29,679 easement takes up too much of the 3195 02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:32,239 parcel? I mean, shouldn't these things 3196 02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:34,560 have been looked at before they were put 3197 02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,960 on there? And all of these sites being 3198 02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:39,199 again, you know, on this side of the 3199 02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:40,719 freeway 3200 02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:42,159 where the people that are going to be 3201 02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:45,440 living in these lowincome units are not 3202 02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:47,840 going to have Woodside services. They're 3203 02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:49,360 not going to be able to go to Woodside 3204 02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,199 schools. They're not going to be within 3205 02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:53,360 walking distance of going downtown and 3206 02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,159 eating or going to Roberts or anything 3207 02:12:56,159 --> 02:13:00,639 else. So, it it doesn't seem fair. And 3208 02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,520 we feel like, and I know that many of my 3209 02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,280 neighbors, we feel like secondass 3210 02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:08,400 citizens. We pay taxes. We live here, 3211 02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:10,480 but we don't have the same benefits that 3212 02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:12,320 the rest of the people in Woodside on 3213 02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,639 the other side of the freeway have. and 3214 02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:16,639 you're going to be taking away our only 3215 02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:19,119 open space around here and making it 3216 02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,760 even more congested than it really is. 3217 02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,320 And quite honestly, I I feel like nobody 3218 02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:25,760 really cares. We've been talking about 3219 02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:27,679 this for three years. Nothing has 3220 02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:32,069 changed. Nothing. 3221 02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:34,079 » Thank you. 3222 02:13:34,079 --> 02:13:35,440 >> Hi. 3223 02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:40,950 >> Yes, please. 3224 02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:43,199 » Good evening to you all. Thank you for 3225 02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:46,239 your service in those long nights and 3226 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:49,119 long days. I'm Karen Offen. I live on 3227 02:13:49,119 --> 02:13:51,280 Raymond and I'd like to seed my three 3228 02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:53,440 minutes to Sue Pleti because she's got 3229 02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:55,199 more to say. 3230 02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:59,520 >> Okay. Thank you. Welcome back, Sue. 3231 02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:01,760 >> Thank you. I need to take this off 3232 02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:05,199 because I get nervous. 3233 02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:07,920 >> Can you restart her for three minutes? 3234 02:14:07,920 --> 02:14:08,400 >> Oh, 3235 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:09,440 >> are you restarting it? 3236 02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:10,639 >> I'm going to give you the three. Well, 3237 02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:13,280 I'm actually speaking for Karen and for 3238 02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:15,360 several other neighbors on Ramanda who 3239 02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:16,960 were unable to attend tonight, but asked 3240 02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:19,119 that I share their concerns. We want to 3241 02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,040 address the existing neighborhood 3242 02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,280 argument that may be raised. The idea 3243 02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:26,079 that the California Fire Code D107 only 3244 02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:28,880 applies to new developments and not to 3245 02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,280 established neighborhoods like ours. Our 3246 02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,480 neighborhood tracked 567 Raundo Rancho 3247 02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:37,040 Kenyatta is an old development and the 3248 02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:40,079 fire code evolves as risks change. Even 3249 02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:42,960 if D107 was originally written with new 3250 02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,280 developments in mind, the life safety 3251 02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:47,760 purpose of the code does not change. The 3252 02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,480 basic problem is this. One road serving 3253 02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,719 more than 30 dwellings becomes a single 3254 02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:54,639 point of failure for evacuation and 3255 02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:57,679 emergency access. That is why D7 3256 02:14:57,679 --> 02:15:01,040 requires two access roads whenever a 3257 02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:02,639 single road serves more than 30 3258 02:15:02,639 --> 02:15:04,560 dwellings. The purpose is simple and 3259 02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:06,800 critical. To provide a backup access, a 3260 02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:09,440 second way in and out in case one road 3261 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:12,960 is blocked. If this Raondo RFP adds 17 3262 02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,280 to 30 additional units, the total number 3263 02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:17,599 of dwellings served by this single road 3264 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:20,000 would increase to approximately 47 to 60 3265 02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:22,480 dwellings. That's far beyond the code's 3266 02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:24,480 threshold. And it would occur on our 3267 02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:26,800 street bordered by more than 20,000 3268 02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:29,599 acres of wildfire fuel where evacuations 3269 02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:32,239 matter most. Adding more units increases 3270 02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:34,000 the number of dwellings dependent on a 3271 02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:36,400 single road, which directly impacts the 3272 02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,000 life safety for both residents and 3273 02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:39,840 firefighters. And importantly, the code 3274 02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:43,119 counts the number of dwellings served, 3275 02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:45,679 not just the new units being proposed. 3276 02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:47,599 The life safety purpose of the code, 3277 02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:50,159 redundant emergency access is triggered 3278 02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:52,800 whenever increased occupancy increases 3279 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,520 the risk. Courts have also held agencies 3280 02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:57,599 cannot ignore life safety standards 3281 02:15:57,599 --> 02:15:59,679 simply because a neighborhood predates 3282 02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:01,760 the code. The mission of the California 3283 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:05,119 Fire Code under section 101.1 is clear. 3284 02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:07,520 To protect life and liberty from fire, 3285 02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:09,599 to ensure firefighters can safely access 3286 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:11,679 structures, and to minimize risk during 3287 02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:14,480 evacuation. Every provision in the code, 3288 02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:17,280 including D107, exists to serve that 3289 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:20,960 single overriding purpose, life safety. 3290 02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,960 And life safety does not depend on when 3291 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,199 a neighborhood was built. I've got 52 3292 02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,520 seconds less. We can widen Raundo Runny 3293 02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:29,599 me. We can add turnouts. We can double 3294 02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:32,080 the size of the culde-sac. But there's 3295 02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:36,080 one law existing still. No matter how 3296 02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,559 much mitigation, we need a second 3297 02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:41,280 separate fire apparatus access code a 3298 02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:43,200 road to that new development. Thank you 3299 02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:44,399 for your time. 3300 02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:48,160 >> Thank you, Sue. And um you know remember 3301 02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:49,519 because of your advocacy and the 3302 02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:51,679 advocacy of your neighbors we did add a 3303 02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:54,319 second egress zoning overlay at the time 3304 02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:57,120 we did the sequel review. Um but so it 3305 02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,120 is in there and that would be part of 3306 02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:04,709 presumably part of an RFP process. 3307 02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:06,160 » Hi. 3308 02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:10,000 My name is Janet Estep. I've lived 3309 02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:13,920 on Raundo for over 50 years. I was here 3310 02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:16,800 in 1956 3311 02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:20,319 when this town was incorporated 3312 02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:23,040 at the end of Raondo where it's rounded 3313 02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:27,760 off to go on to running me that was made 3314 02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:31,519 round because it was not deemed in the 3315 02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:33,439 1960s 3316 02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:36,960 safe enough for a school bus to go up 3317 02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:39,920 Raundo. So all the children had to go 3318 02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,960 down to that corner and wait for the bus 3319 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,679 and it was enlarged and made in a circle 3320 02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:47,760 so that the bus could turn around 3321 02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:52,960 safely. You also have over 50 horses 3322 02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:56,639 that would have to be evacuated from not 3323 02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:59,120 just running me but from the private 3324 02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:04,719 homes on Raundo which are 35 driveways. 3325 02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:08,399 Each of them do not have a horse now. 3326 02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:12,080 They did when I first lived there. But 3327 02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:14,319 that does not mean that there is less 3328 02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:17,840 traffic. It just means there are less 3329 02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,319 horses. 3330 02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:23,760 have the right of way 3331 02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:29,040 over people and vehicles. 3332 02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:32,479 any horse that is being transported down 3333 02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:35,359 has a rideway before anybody else can 3334 02:18:35,359 --> 02:18:37,359 evacuate. 3335 02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:40,880 But I also raised the point that those 3336 02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:44,319 people coming down are also going to be 3337 02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:48,319 blocking the first responders that are 3338 02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:50,160 going up 3339 02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:53,920 a mile and a half. That's how long it is 3340 02:18:53,920 --> 02:18:58,399 a run from up to the culasac which is 3341 02:18:58,399 --> 02:18:59,920 undized 3342 02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:04,399 and cannot establish a turnabout for the 3343 02:19:04,399 --> 02:19:08,719 existing fire trucks that now service 3344 02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:11,359 this town. Thank you. 3345 02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:18,469 >> Thank you. 3346 02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:22,950 » Any other public comments? 3347 02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:25,679 Okay, hearing none, we'll close 3348 02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:27,519 comments. I know this is anformational 3349 02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:29,439 report, but is are there any additional 3350 02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:31,760 thoughts or deliberations by council 3351 02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:34,080 members? 3352 02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:35,679 >> Yes, sir. 3353 02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:37,280 >> Um, first I wanted to thank everybody 3354 02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,599 for showing up tonight. Um, message 3355 02:19:39,599 --> 02:19:41,599 sent, message received. It I can only 3356 02:19:41,599 --> 02:19:44,240 speak for myself. Um, I've been saying 3357 02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:46,399 pretty much the same message for the 3358 02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,920 last four years. Um, I did want to give 3359 02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:52,720 just at the I I um I think it's 3360 02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:54,319 important to know why we're here tonight 3361 02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:57,520 and what we can do and what we can't do. 3362 02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:01,040 So, this is the annual report to HCD. 3363 02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:04,479 Just where are we on our housing 3364 02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:06,160 element? We have to do it every single 3365 02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,080 year. Is that correct? Yeah. And this is 3366 02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:11,280 the annual report. Um, by the way, it's 3367 02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:12,880 Woodside is going to be one of the few 3368 02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:15,439 towns and cities in the state that's 3369 02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:17,920 going to come even close to making our 3370 02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:20,319 number, which is kind of interesting. 3371 02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:21,359 We're going to do that because we have a 3372 02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:22,720 lot of ADUs and there's a lot of 3373 02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:25,600 interest in ADUs. Um, we're, you know, 3374 02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,120 not like Redwood City or some of the 3375 02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:29,120 other cities. Uh, this is, if I'm not 3376 02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:31,920 mistaken, yesterday's Daily Journal. 3377 02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:33,200 There was an article in here about 3378 02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,640 Foster City lags. 3379 02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:38,240 Every city in town is doing what we're 3380 02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:39,520 doing tonight. They're doing it right 3381 02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:41,680 now uh because it's the annual report 3382 02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:44,319 that they have to give. Foster City um 3383 02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:48,720 is is currently at 2% of its target. 3384 02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:50,640 That's actually a pretty high number for 3385 02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:53,439 San Monteo and Santa Clara counties. um 3386 02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:55,280 they go through some detail here and 3387 02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:57,600 I'll spare you a lot of the detail but I 3388 02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,520 think some of it is important and that 3389 02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:03,520 is so far the city has completed 11 very 3390 02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:07,120 lowincome units out of the required 3391 02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,920 520 3392 02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:15,040 uh 14 low-income units out of 299 3393 02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:17,680 uh and 11 moderate income units out of 3394 02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:23,680 300 and uh the above was there's 37 out 3395 02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:25,680 of 777. 3396 02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:27,600 So when you look at these numbers, this 3397 02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:29,840 is a pipe dream from Sacramento that 3398 02:21:29,840 --> 02:21:32,000 we're going to make these numbers. I'm 3399 02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,080 going to repeat again what I've said. I 3400 02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,080 can probably see the groans on people's 3401 02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:38,240 some people's faces. What this is all 3402 02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:39,760 about. 3403 02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:41,280 Every eight years there's a housing 3404 02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:43,280 cycle. We start over again. And the 3405 02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,520 state in its wisdom says we're going to 3406 02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,080 make so many houses over the next eight 3407 02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:50,560 years. This is the sixth cycle. We've 3408 02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:52,640 been doing this for 40 however that is 3409 02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:55,359 six time 36 years I guess and uh so 3410 02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:56,880 we're in the middle of the sixth cycle. 3411 02:21:56,880 --> 02:21:59,359 The number statewide for this sixth 3412 02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:01,280 cycle we're in the second or third year 3413 02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:04,880 I think of this 8year cycle is 2.4 3414 02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:07,280 million homes that Sacramento says we're 3415 02:22:07,280 --> 02:22:09,359 going to build in the state over eight 3416 02:22:09,359 --> 02:22:11,040 years. 3417 02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:12,880 The math is pretty easy. You've heard me 3418 02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:15,359 say this before. 2.4 million divided by 3419 02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:20,080 8 is 300,000 homes residences a year. 3420 02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:23,040 Right? I mean, that's not tough math. We 3421 02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,120 have to do that every single year for 3422 02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:28,080 eight years to make 2.4 million. Just to 3423 02:22:28,080 --> 02:22:31,359 put that 300,000 into perspective, in 3424 02:22:31,359 --> 02:22:34,800 our state's very best year, 3425 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,840 1956, I think, remember, millions of 3426 02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:39,520 people moving into the state, not like 3427 02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:41,439 today, where people are moving out of 3428 02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:45,120 the state. Low, the mortgage rates were 3429 02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:47,760 low. Today, they're skyhigh. 3430 02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:50,000 um building, labor, all those other 3431 02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,600 things. Back then it was just a field 3432 02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:53,200 day. People were moving in like crazy. 3433 02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:55,439 We we built all of these, you know, Los 3434 02:22:55,439 --> 02:22:58,080 Altos was built in the 1950s almost from 3435 02:22:58,080 --> 02:22:59,680 scratch. 3436 02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,760 In the best years, we did 150,000. And 3437 02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:05,520 yet Sacramento says we're going to do 3438 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:08,240 300,000 every year for eight straight 3439 02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:09,840 years. So you want to know how many we 3440 02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:11,600 did in the first year of this cycle? 3441 02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:14,640 60,000. We missed the 300,000 by just a 3442 02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,920 smidge. The next year we did 70,000. 3443 02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,080 This year we're going to do about 70,000 3444 02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:23,200 again. We'll be lucky if we do 800,000 3445 02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,760 during the 8-year cycle out of the 2.4 3446 02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:28,000 million that Sacramento thinks we're 3447 02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:31,920 going to do. So most most cities and 3448 02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:34,080 residents uh municipalities are going to 3449 02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:36,560 miss their number by a real big number. 3450 02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:37,760 We're actually, as I said, we're going 3451 02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:40,160 to come close because of the ADUs that 3452 02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:41,439 we have. Lots of people who like to 3453 02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:46,000 build ADUs. So, um, tonight we're only 3454 02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:48,399 here to accept the report and send it 3455 02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:51,359 in. We're not taking parcels off. I hate 3456 02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:52,720 to disappoint you. We're not going to 3457 02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:54,880 scratch High Road. We're not going to 3458 02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:56,880 take off from Mundo. We're not going to 3459 02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:58,880 the 773, which by the way is a private 3460 02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:00,399 property. We don't have much control of 3461 02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,560 it as as you've heard that's owned by 3462 02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:04,880 another gentleman, not not the town. 3463 02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:06,880 It's the town owned properties that are 3464 02:24:06,880 --> 02:24:08,880 the problem because we own them. We 3465 02:24:08,880 --> 02:24:11,520 control them. We're the ones who have to 3466 02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:13,280 solicit developers. And you heard that 3467 02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:15,280 tonight from I think they called you 3468 02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:18,479 attorney um Jerry, right? That's a nice 3469 02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:23,040 name. Um I've heard worse. So, um we're 3470 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:24,560 not going to make any changes. We live 3471 02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:26,560 with this. But we are looking at the 3472 02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,479 housing cycle. The next the seventh 3473 02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:31,520 housing cycle begins in 2031 and in 3474 02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:34,000 2029. 20 sounds like a long ways off. I 3475 02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:35,439 may not even be here. Hopefully, I won't 3476 02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:38,399 be here. Um that uh we're going to start 3477 02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:40,240 all over again. and wipe the slate clean 3478 02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:42,160 and and and start this over again, which 3479 02:24:42,160 --> 02:24:44,479 is one reason why this parcel that a lot 3480 02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:46,479 of people have been talking about um is 3481 02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:49,920 a big concern. So, I did want to mention 3482 02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:53,680 specifically the parcels. So, uh the 3483 02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:55,680 point was made, Tony Donaldson made it 3484 02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:57,120 toward the end there. She lives on High 3485 02:24:57,120 --> 02:24:59,120 Road. She's been in this room several 3486 02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,600 times and she made the point, this is 3487 02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,439 such a horrible pro. I mean, it's a 3488 02:25:03,439 --> 02:25:05,920 terribly awkward parcel. It's got a 3489 02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:08,240 footprint of.7 acres that's buildable. 3490 02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:10,960 It's got easements. You heard um 3491 02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:13,760 Attorney Jen Jerry say tonight that it's 3492 02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,200 going to be difficult to get the 80% 3493 02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:17,520 coverage that's required. Um I just 3494 02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,359 remember that I was sitting there for 3495 02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:21,120 the first night. This was about three 3496 02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,800 years ago. And I brought up the fact 3497 02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:27,040 that there's a PG& gas transmission line 3498 02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:29,280 22 in big enough to crawl through. It's 3499 02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:31,120 the same one that goes up to San Bruno 3500 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:32,560 that blew up and killed a bunch of 3501 02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:34,880 people that runs through that area. And 3502 02:25:34,880 --> 02:25:36,960 nobody seemed to know about it. I 3503 02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:39,840 remember the the then town manager. 3504 02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:42,000 Nobody seemed to know anything about it. 3505 02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,080 And I was like, you did all this 3506 02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:46,800 research on on High Road and nobody knew 3507 02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:49,760 there was a PG&E gas transmission line 3508 02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:50,960 running through the property. Then we 3509 02:25:50,960 --> 02:25:52,000 argued about whether it's on the 3510 02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,200 property or it's off the property or 3511 02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,040 whatever else. We were promised a lot of 3512 02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:57,120 things. We never got them and it was put 3513 02:25:57,120 --> 02:25:58,960 on the schedule. So, it's on the 3514 02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:01,280 schedule today. Now we find out and I 3515 02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:04,240 think uh Kim Hansen made the point that 3516 02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:05,920 I wish we knew all the stuff that 3517 02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:08,560 attorney Jerry had told us tonight back 3518 02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:10,479 then because this is the this is the 3519 02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:12,160 procedure. We didn't know. I didn't know 3520 02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:14,000 for sure. A lot of this I heard for the 3521 02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:17,359 first time tonight. But had we known it, may certainly have affected what was 3522 02:26:17,359 --> 02:26:18,960 on the schedule. Now we just have to 3523 02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:20,479 live with it. And I will tell you 3524 02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:22,560 something. I think that these are really 3525 02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:25,200 problematic parcels. Raundo is High Road 3526 02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:26,560 is. I can't comment on the private 3527 02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:29,040 parcel at 773. owned by somebody, not 3528 02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:30,560 the town. But I think they're going to 3529 02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:32,080 be very difficult to build on and 3530 02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:33,520 they're going to be difficult for 3531 02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:35,359 developers. And to be perfectly honest 3532 02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:36,880 with you, I hope they are difficult. 3533 02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:40,800 I've said this before. Um, that is my I just think these are really 3534 02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:43,920 problematic. Uh, the point came up about 3535 02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:46,160 zoning that somebody brought up and how 3536 02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:48,479 uh arbitrary it is and how it just seems 3537 02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:51,040 to be very subjective. And I think the 3538 02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:52,479 point was made that we're going to go 3539 02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:54,800 Oh, David said said it. I think when we 3540 02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:58,319 go from SR1 to R1, right? And how do we 3541 02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:02,080 do that? David, this council changed 3542 02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,080 open space for the preservation of 3543 02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:06,399 natural resources, our most restrictive 3544 02:27:06,399 --> 02:27:08,880 zoning 3545 02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:10,960 to multifamily 3546 02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:13,439 with up to 20 units per acre. The most 3547 02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:16,479 permissive zone. We went from like A to 3548 02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:19,920 Z in one night sitting right here. And 3549 02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:21,760 it is it's completely capriccious. And 3550 02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:26,000 it really bothered me because if if I've 3551 02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:27,920 always thought zoning was this sacred 3552 02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:29,359 thing and that, you know, when you buy a 3553 02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:32,000 parcel and it's zoned a certain way, it 3554 02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:34,319 take he'll never get it changed. And we 3555 02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:36,479 seem to be changing it just like that. I 3556 02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:38,160 mean, we just changed the, you know, the 3557 02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,160 most sensitive property in all of 3558 02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:43,280 Woodside to build high-rise condominiums 3559 02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:44,640 on. I mean, just go figure. It just 3560 02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:46,399 makes no sense to me. So, I think you're 3561 02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:49,920 exactly right. Um it was it was a really 3562 02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:51,280 good point that I thought you brought 3563 02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:53,680 up. Um 3564 02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:57,439 I think that um I kept count uh uh by 3565 02:27:57,439 --> 02:28:00,160 the way there were as many as 110 people 3566 02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:02,479 in this room and on Zoom tonight. This 3567 02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:04,080 is a big issue and I hope the message 3568 02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:09,359 was received at least about the the the parcel. Um it was in a close 3569 02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:10,880 session. There was one I think there 3570 02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:12,960 were three members of the public who 3571 02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:15,040 actually spoke before the meeting. I was 3572 02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:16,800 one of them and cautioned the council 3573 02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:18,720 not to go forward with it. Um I was 3574 02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:19,920 speaking as a member of the public, not 3575 02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:21,120 a member of the council because I was 3576 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,040 recused from that and I don't want to go 3577 02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:24,399 too far because I don't want to step on 3578 02:28:24,399 --> 02:28:26,160 any toes and violate any regulations 3579 02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:28,880 here. But um the point was made that I 3580 02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:30,399 think the council could have killed that 3581 02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:32,560 22 acres that night simply by not 3582 02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:34,880 authorizing it. And I hope uh the point 3583 02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:38,000 was made that this council actually did 3584 02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,479 kill the farmill parcel in its wisdom. 3585 02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:42,800 That was a smart move. Um, and we heard 3586 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,040 tonight that that covenant that we kept 3587 02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:46,960 was waving before our face that you, you 3588 02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:48,880 know, that was completely reversible. 3589 02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:51,040 No, it's not completely reversible. You 3590 02:28:51,040 --> 02:28:54,160 can't undo it. That was another some 3591 02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:56,479 misinformation. I'll be polite about it. 3592 02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:58,640 But you can't change a covenant. And 3593 02:28:58,640 --> 02:29:00,960 that Farmhill parcel had a covenant that 3594 02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:03,040 said in perpetuity it had to be open 3595 02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:05,520 space. And we sat in the in this room on 3596 02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:07,280 the other side before I was elected and 3597 02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:08,800 people told us we were crazy and that 3598 02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:11,359 they could change it if they wanted to. 3599 02:29:11,359 --> 02:29:15,439 No, you can't. And so again, um there's 3600 02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:19,990 been a lot of I think 3601 02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,600 there's been a lot of I'll just say 3602 02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:23,600 misinformation and and and I think that 3603 02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:25,439 now we are where we are. We're with 3604 02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:27,920 these parcels. Um we're going to we're 3605 02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:29,520 going to send out RFPs and we're going 3606 02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:31,040 to see what happens with them. And I 3607 02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,960 really hope that, you know, we'll end up 3608 02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:35,840 with something smaller and more that's 3609 02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:37,920 more reasonable and more appropriate or 3610 02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:40,240 maybe nothing at all. And uh it seems 3611 02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:42,399 like we are stuck where we are. But I 3612 02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:43,840 want to congratulate and thank the 3613 02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:45,840 people in this room, many of whom were 3614 02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:47,760 here four years ago and three years ago 3615 02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:50,160 and two years ago, and gave this exact 3616 02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:52,319 same warning. And we said, "We're going 3617 02:29:52,319 --> 02:29:55,040 to end up right here." And guess what? 3618 02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:56,800 We're we're here again with these 3619 02:29:56,800 --> 02:29:58,319 problematic parcels that never should 3620 02:29:58,319 --> 02:30:00,000 have been part of it. But they are now. 3621 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,680 They're not going away. We'll just see 3622 02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:02,960 what happens with them when they get 3623 02:30:02,960 --> 02:30:07,040 here. Um, but again, I listened and so 3624 02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:08,880 far I remember I kept count three years 3625 02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:11,680 ago and I think the count was it was a 3626 02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:13,760 little over 300 people. I think it was 3627 02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,720 307 people spoke during all the public 3628 02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:20,240 hearings we had. Nobody spoke in fa 3629 02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:23,040 nobody spoke in favor of any of the 3630 02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:26,160 parcels. One person just said we need 3631 02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:27,760 more affordable housing in Woodside. 3632 02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:29,520 Well, guess what? We we all agree with 3633 02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:31,520 that. But nobody spoke in favor of any 3634 02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:34,479 of the parcels. Not Farm Armhill, not 3635 02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:37,600 Raundo, not High Road, not 77. Nobody 3636 02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,680 spoke in favor of any of them. Tonight, 3637 02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:42,720 the count was 26 to zero if I counted 3638 02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:45,280 correctly. It seems to me like the only 3639 02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:47,439 people in this town who are in favor of 3640 02:30:47,439 --> 02:30:50,240 this are sitting here. 3641 02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:52,080 It's It's the most amazing thing. I was 3642 02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:54,240 elected to represent the people in my 3643 02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:55,840 district, and I'm going to represent 3644 02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:57,439 them. And you know, I may go down with 3645 02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,280 the ship, but I'm going to represent 3646 02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,439 those people. And uh it's not out of any 3647 02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:02,720 great sense of pride. It's that they're 3648 02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:04,880 counting on me. That's it. I I asked to 3649 02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,960 run and they elected me and I think I'm 3650 02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:08,880 charged with a responsibility here and 3651 02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:12,080 we need to do it. And um I I you know it 3652 02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:14,160 was pointed out that council me actually 3653 02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:16,240 yeah council member Wall actually was 3654 02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:17,760 the first person when I was standing 3655 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,520 back there with Stacy and we were 3656 02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:21,280 speaking who said you know something I 3657 02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:22,960 can no longer support the farm hill. 3658 02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:24,800 That was just the farm hill parcel. It 3659 02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,080 just doesn't make sense. We made a 3660 02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:27,840 promise and we need to keep our word. 3661 02:31:27,840 --> 02:31:30,080 And I I we were very appreciative and 3662 02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:31,920 then the dominoes began to fall and 3663 02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:34,000 everybody at Farm Hill went away. And I 3664 02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:35,280 think that this should happen tonight 3665 02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:37,200 too with this parcel that we're talking 3666 02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:39,840 about along the 280. It's nobody wants 3667 02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:41,760 this. In fact, it's the only person I 3668 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:43,359 think who wants it is an elected 3669 02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:46,160 official anymore. And and so hopefully 3670 02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:47,439 we're getting the message and we can 3671 02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:49,439 make this thing go away. I certainly 3672 02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:51,920 would if I could cast a vote on it. Uh 3673 02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:53,600 which I can't, but I would certainly 3674 02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:55,760 make it go away if I could. And uh 3675 02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:59,840 again, we're going to accept the I I 3676 02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:00,880 believe we're going to accept the 3677 02:32:00,880 --> 02:32:02,560 report. It's going to go in. We are 3678 02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:04,319 where we are on this thing. Uh we're 3679 02:32:04,319 --> 02:32:06,479 going to continue and let's just uh do 3680 02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:08,080 everything we can. I take every comment 3681 02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,600 that was made to heart and we're going 3682 02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:11,120 to do what we can to make sure that we 3683 02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:12,640 end up in the right place on this thing 3684 02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:13,920 and we're going to do it in the public. 3685 02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:15,680 We're going to do it in the sunshine. 3686 02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:21,349 Thank you. 3687 02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:25,600 » Thank you. Um anyone else? Yes. 3688 02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:28,319 >> Yeah. I just wanted to talk about the 3689 02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:31,280 CALR property for a second. Um the first 3690 02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:33,600 we heard about it on the council when it 3691 02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,240 came to us as information that CALR has 3692 02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:38,960 brought forward a proposal period. We 3693 02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:41,280 did not discuss it at any length. In 3694 02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:43,359 fact, the question I asked was what 3695 02:32:43,359 --> 02:32:46,399 happens if we don't do anything? 3696 02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:47,280 And that's the question I think 3697 02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:48,720 everybody needs to ask in this room when 3698 02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:50,800 you when you talk about okay if we don't 3699 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,479 move what if somebody else comes in 3700 02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:53,840 there and says we're going to develop 3701 02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:56,160 that property. It's not it's not owned 3702 02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:59,280 by the town. It's owned by the state. 3703 02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:01,040 Then we have no control over it. So I 3704 02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:02,479 mean I'm not saying that that's what I 3705 02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:04,640 want to do but I'm just saying that was 3706 02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:06,240 the decision we had to make at the time 3707 02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:08,960 was do we just ignore it and hope it 3708 02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:10,960 goes away or do we at least try to find 3709 02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:13,439 out more about what are the implications 3710 02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:19,750 if we act or don't act. Simple as that. 3711 02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:24,550 Any applause? 3712 02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:29,270 Any other comments from council? 3713 02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:31,439 » Okay. Uh, hearing none then. 3714 02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:32,720 >> No, I No, sorry. 3715 02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:34,880 >> Oh, hi Jen. Sorry, Council Member Wall. 3716 02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:36,479 I didn't see the hand go up. 3717 02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,960 >> Yes. Um, 3718 02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:41,280 so first off, I just want to thank 3719 02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:43,280 everybody that came tonight and offered 3720 02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:47,439 their comments. Um these nights where we 3721 02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:49,680 have housing element on the agenda are, 3722 02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:51,200 you know, transparently they're they're 3723 02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:53,520 the hardest nights. Um because this is 3724 02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:56,960 just such a difficult topic. Um you 3725 02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:59,120 know, and as a council member, you know, 3726 02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:01,680 you want to look out for the the 3727 02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:03,120 interests of your district, but we're 3728 02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:05,280 also here to look out for the interests 3729 02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,280 of Woodside as a whole, including 3730 02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:08,960 everybody that lives in the in the 3731 02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:11,359 districts around us. And so I just I 3732 02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:12,880 want to assure everybody that I really 3733 02:34:12,880 --> 02:34:15,760 do hear and take all of your comments to 3734 02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:18,880 heart. Um you know we've been living 3735 02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:21,280 with this current iteration of the 3736 02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:25,520 housing element for three plus years. Um 3737 02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:28,399 you know it it's been you know long 3738 02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:33,040 meetings, long long uh sessions of of 3739 02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:35,520 public comment. Um and it, you know, 3740 02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,280 it's just it's a it's a very difficult 3741 02:34:37,280 --> 02:34:39,439 issue because we want to we want to 3742 02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:41,520 react. We want to make everybody happy. 3743 02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,840 At the same time, um we also have to 3744 02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:46,000 comply with our with our legal 3745 02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,120 obligations to to uh not only submit a 3746 02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:51,920 housing element that HCD could certify 3747 02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:55,040 um but also to pursue the programs and 3748 02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:57,120 the development that we committed to in 3749 02:34:57,120 --> 02:35:00,399 the housing element. Um, so it's a it's 3750 02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:03,200 a very very nuanced and and difficult 3751 02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,040 issue and we really are just trying to 3752 02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:08,720 do our best. Um, I wanted to thank the 3753 02:35:08,720 --> 02:35:10,560 staff. You know, we really appreciated 3754 02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:12,479 hearing about all the efforts that have 3755 02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:14,319 been happening at the staff level to 3756 02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:17,760 pursue our housing element programs. Um, 3757 02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:19,760 that's a lot of work and we we really 3758 02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:21,520 appreciate all the work and and effort 3759 02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,439 that you're doing at the staff level. 3760 02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:25,120 Um, and Jerry, thank you for being here 3761 02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:27,600 tonight. Um, I definitely appreciated 3762 02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,479 um, hearing the nuances of the of the 3763 02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:33,680 surplus land process and exemptions. Um, 3764 02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:35,439 I think council member Gold had 3765 02:35:35,439 --> 02:35:37,280 suggested maybe the council had been 3766 02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:39,040 privy to that information before this 3767 02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,439 evening, but it we had not. Um, so that 3768 02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:43,920 was very enlightening for me to hear. 3769 02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:46,560 Um, let's see. I wanted to just touch on 3770 02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:48,960 a couple couple topics in addition to 3771 02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:51,040 just kind of, you know, acknowledging 3772 02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:53,040 what a difficult, you know, issue the 3773 02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:54,880 housing element is. 3774 02:35:54,880 --> 02:36:00,160 um on public input. Um we very much 3775 02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:03,200 appreciate and and and want to encourage 3776 02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:06,560 as much public input as possible. And so 3777 02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:08,479 um and you know in addition to to 3778 02:36:08,479 --> 02:36:11,359 showing up at um meetings and and 3779 02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:13,760 offering public comment um when housing 3780 02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:16,560 element is on the agenda um I'm very 3781 02:36:16,560 --> 02:36:19,760 supportive of looking into ways to um 3782 02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:21,840 offer opportunities for public input in 3783 02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:24,399 addition to that. Um, so that's 3784 02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:26,240 something that I'll commit to speaking 3785 02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:28,479 with other council members or in our 3786 02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,080 town attorney in the background to see 3787 02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:34,080 if there are other mechanisms to um to 3788 02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,319 bring um the public to the table and 3789 02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:38,399 solicit your input 3790 02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:41,600 um on the it was mentioned a couple 3791 02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:43,680 times. I mean, I I you know, my heart 3792 02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,520 goes out the the comments made about the 3793 02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,640 east side and feeling like um you know, 3794 02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:50,640 they're treated differently. Um that 3795 02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:53,760 it's absolutely not the intent. Um 3796 02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:56,080 specifically, a couple people raised the 3797 02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:57,920 topic of the school district, and I just 3798 02:36:57,920 --> 02:36:59,600 want to I I think most people know this, 3799 02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:02,080 but you know, the town council has no 3800 02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:06,319 input or or um bearing on the school 3801 02:37:06,319 --> 02:37:07,840 district boundaries. that's not 3802 02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:10,560 something that we have any um any 3803 02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:12,720 connection to. So, I just wanted to to 3804 02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:16,960 make sure that everybody understood that um that's a that's something that's 3805 02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:19,200 completely controlled by um Woodside 3806 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:21,040 Elementary and if we wanted to change 3807 02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:22,880 the boundaries, you know, in one 3808 02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:24,080 direction or another, that's not 3809 02:37:24,080 --> 02:37:25,600 something that we would have any any 3810 02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:29,040 impact over. Um and it's already been 3811 02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:30,319 said, but you know, on the topic of the 3812 02:37:30,319 --> 02:37:33,600 CALR property, um I do sense that there 3813 02:37:33,600 --> 02:37:35,600 is a fair amount of misinformation 3814 02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:38,800 circulating. Um, so I'd say to those 3815 02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:44,080 that are receiving information about the the CALR property, I'd say receive 3816 02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:46,800 it with a grain of salt. Um, you know, 3817 02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:49,680 it's it it's exactly the case as uh the 3818 02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:52,240 town attorney stated that uh CALR 3819 02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:54,720 approached the town. Um, the town was 3820 02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:57,920 obligated to um hear about that in a 3821 02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:00,160 closed session. Um, and we authorized 3822 02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:02,240 town staff to talk to Calrans more. 3823 02:38:02,240 --> 02:38:03,920 That's literally it. It hasn't gone 3824 02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:05,920 beyond that. Um, and I absolutely 3825 02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:07,760 appreciate hearing all of the input 3826 02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:10,000 tonight about um, how folks feel about 3827 02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,080 that. And I'll certainly take that into 3828 02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:14,240 account as I to the extent this 3829 02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:16,000 continues to be something that comes 3830 02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:17,600 before the town council. That input is 3831 02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:20,800 very valuable. So, thank you. Um, I know 3832 02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:22,479 it's getting late this evening, so I'll 3833 02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:24,479 pass it back to Mayor Donowski and just 3834 02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:26,399 see if any other council member has any 3835 02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:28,160 uh, further deliberation. 3836 02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:29,920 >> Thank you, Council Member Wall. Yes, 3837 02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:31,200 Council Member Eper. 3838 02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:33,840 >> I'll be quick. Um, again, thank you. 3839 02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:35,920 all for coming. Uh I think 3840 02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:37,600 this is the most packed I've seen this 3841 02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:39,680 and been on the council for just about a 3842 02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:42,640 year. Uh so I caught the very tail end 3843 02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,040 of this. I I really appreciate all of 3844 02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:46,800 you coming sharing your thoughts on 3845 02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:49,600 including online and I really take it to 3846 02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,080 heart. Uh and I I anyone who's asked to 3847 02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:54,560 meet with me. I know um a number of you 3848 02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:57,520 I've met with in person. Um and I care 3849 02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,600 even though it's not in my this isn't in 3850 02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:02,000 is not in my district. Uh, but I 3851 02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:03,840 understand how important it is to all of 3852 02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:06,880 you and I I can appreciate it and I I 3853 02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:09,040 feel the same. I share some of the same 3854 02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,840 issues that you do. I I'm uh represent 3855 02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:14,080 District 5 which is in the Western Hills 3856 02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:17,680 and um our kids don't go to we're not 3857 02:39:17,680 --> 02:39:20,080 district as well for Woodside Elementary 3858 02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:22,800 and we so we we have to um go to 3859 02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:23,920 different schools even though it's 3860 02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:29,520 closer to go to Woodside. Um, but and I can appreciate all the things 3861 02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:31,439 you're all the issues you're raising. 3862 02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:34,640 Um, and I I really do think about it and 3863 02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:36,560 I' I haven't been reached out to by any 3864 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:38,880 land developers. So, I'm not sure um if 3865 02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:40,399 I'm just excluded from these meetings 3866 02:39:40,399 --> 02:39:42,399 that are happening, but um or if they're 3867 02:39:42,399 --> 02:39:43,520 just, you know, if they're not happening 3868 02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:46,240 or but um I, you know, I have no 3869 02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,080 personal agenda here. I I really want to 3870 02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:49,760 do what's best for the town, what's best 3871 02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:52,640 for the people here. Um, 3872 02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:55,200 and you know, and for the uh the 3873 02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:59,439 property by the the freeway, um, I I 3874 02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:02,240 would second what, uh, Council Member 3875 02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,720 Brown said. You know, no decision was 3876 02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:07,359 made. I think we have an obligation on 3877 02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:09,600 the town council to look into, you know, 3878 02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:12,240 something like this if it comes to us. 3879 02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:13,920 Um, instead of saying, you know, no, 3880 02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:16,560 we're not going to do it and let's, you 3881 02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:17,600 know, let's see what they do with it. 3882 02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:18,880 that if they're going to sell it to some 3883 02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:21,200 private developer and build 100 units or 3884 02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:22,880 something like that, um I think we have 3885 02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:26,240 a responsibility to ensure that we avoid 3886 02:40:26,240 --> 02:40:28,880 anything like that. But um yeah, 3887 02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:30,640 absolutely no decisions been made and 3888 02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:37,040 I'm not I um yeah, thank you. Thank you. 3889 02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:39,520 Uh so maybe just back well, first off, 3890 02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:41,439 I'll just add my thanks for the comments 3891 02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:43,280 tonight and back to brass tax. This is 3892 02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:46,640 anformational only item. Um 3893 02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:48,319 that said, we do want to get as much 3894 02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:51,280 citizen input as possible. So, uh once 3895 02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:54,160 we get the sewer study back next month, 3896 02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:56,160 I think we'll have some more direction 3897 02:40:56,160 --> 02:40:58,080 and from there we can put together some 3898 02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:01,600 study sessions uh that engage everybody 3899 02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:05,040 uh to get some directional feedback. Um 3900 02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,439 so, we know that's a followup. Uh we 3901 02:41:07,439 --> 02:41:10,880 know there's followup on Raundo and um 3902 02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:13,200 we've had a lot of uh feedback tonight 3903 02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:16,479 on Farm Hill and uh Duly noted and a 3904 02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:18,319 message received. So thank you on that 3905 02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:20,720 as well. So I'm just here to acknowledge 3906 02:41:20,720 --> 02:41:22,399 the feedback and thank you for it. 3907 02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:24,240 There's no formal action other than to 3908 02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:26,319 acknowledge that this is the uh mandated 3909 02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:27,760 report that's going to go up to the 3910 02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:31,280 state. Um, and unless there's anyone 3911 02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,280 here that does not want to accept this 3912 02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:36,880 report to go, um, we will be proving it. 3913 02:41:36,880 --> 02:41:40,240 I'm not seeing anybody. Um, so we're 3914 02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:43,040 accepting the report. 3915 02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:44,720 So, thank you all. We're going to take a 3916 02:41:44,720 --> 02:41:48,000 fivem minute recess. Uh, so, um, 3917 02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:49,520 appreciate it and we'll be back in 5 3918 02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:52,479 minutes. We're going to reconvene 3919 02:41:52,479 --> 02:41:55,760 and we have, um, item C, volunteer 3920 02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:58,240 committee updates. Any, listen? Uh the 3921 02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:00,880 only thing I have is that uh Mayday fund 3922 02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:03,120 run registration is going to be um 3923 02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:06,160 opening soon, probably in the next two 3924 02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:08,880 to three weeks. So keep an eye out for 3925 02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:09,760 that. 3926 02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:12,800 >> Thank you. 3927 02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:16,080 And council communications item D. Any 3928 02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:17,760 items? 3929 02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:21,040 uh March 21 this month this building 3930 02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:24,000 that's a Saturday 10 to 12 we're having 3931 02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:29,200 a I guess it's and good timing a memory 3932 02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:32,960 seminar for seniors um so we can 3933 02:42:32,960 --> 02:42:35,359 remember what was and was not said but 3934 02:42:35,359 --> 02:42:39,120 it uh it starts on on the 21st at 10:00 3935 02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:41,680 and then there'll be a followup for a 3936 02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:45,040 second element of that on April 25th 3937 02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:47,359 here also and we're working on this 3938 02:42:47,359 --> 02:42:49,600 together with Athetherton, Orto Valley, 3939 02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:52,080 and Woodside. 3940 02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:53,439 >> Wonderful. Thank you, Council Member 3941 02:42:53,439 --> 02:42:54,960 Brown. 3942 02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:57,439 And then we will reopen communications. 3943 02:42:57,439 --> 02:42:59,040 This is for public speakers on 3944 02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:01,040 non-aggendaized items that were not 3945 02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:02,880 given a chance to speak at the beginning 3946 02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:05,520 of the meeting. Alia, oh, you got a 3947 02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:12,309 handout. Thank you. 3948 02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:15,040 » Can we help you? 3949 02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:23,349 Here 3950 02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:25,359 I am. Fal lube and history committee. 3951 02:43:25,359 --> 02:43:30,080 I'm sure you all have my book. Um 3952 02:43:30,080 --> 02:43:32,800 so um 3953 02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:36,319 3215 Woodside Road is right next to the 3954 02:43:36,319 --> 02:43:38,319 tennis courts 3955 02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:41,680 uh and the school and it is 100 years 3956 02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:44,080 old. It's been in the same family 3957 02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:46,240 continuously. They were sawmill owners 3958 02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:49,359 and other 3959 02:43:49,359 --> 02:43:53,040 jobs in Woodside. Um, it is now going up 3960 02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:55,680 for sale 3961 02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:59,680 and it's almost 3 and 1/2 acres 3962 02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:03,439 and you know I have crazy ideas. 3963 02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:06,240 I would like the town or the school to 3964 02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:08,319 buy it. 3965 02:44:08,319 --> 02:44:10,399 The front part with the historic house 3966 02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:13,520 could be broken off on one acre 3967 02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:15,680 resulting in two and a half acres behind 3968 02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:19,359 it. I will offer Steve and I to design 3969 02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:22,880 this if the town for free. If the town 3970 02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:24,880 will build, if we can build 20 on one 3971 02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:27,120 acre, think of what we can do on two and 3972 02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:28,720 a half. The teachers could walk to 3973 02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:30,319 school. The firefighters could walk to 3974 02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:32,720 school. long time ago before this 3975 02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:34,720 housing thing came up. I went to Kevin 3976 02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:36,720 when the the red house that just got 3977 02:44:36,720 --> 02:44:38,560 torn down next to Robert's parking lot. 3978 02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:40,399 I said, "Kevin, we should buy this for 3979 02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:42,000 housing." This is because I'm always 3980 02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:44,800 thinking about affordable housing. Yeah. 3981 02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:47,520 Now the town then the property across 3982 02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:49,120 the street behind the fish came up for 3983 02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:52,080 sale. 3984 02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:54,640 Let's let's get this. 3985 02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:57,120 Let's make it happen. 3986 02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:58,960 two and a half acre and it's if the 3987 02:44:58,960 --> 02:45:01,439 history committee visited the site when 3988 02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:03,680 Elwood Velicette was still alive and we 3989 02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:05,520 gave him a preservation award, but it's 3990 02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:07,359 absolutely gorgeous. It's down it goes 3991 02:45:07,359 --> 02:45:09,439 all the way down to the creek. It's 3992 02:45:09,439 --> 02:45:12,240 almost an Lshape. So, it it kind of you 3993 02:45:12,240 --> 02:45:14,319 go straight back and there's kind of a 3994 02:45:14,319 --> 02:45:15,600 bit of an orchard and then there's a 3995 02:45:15,600 --> 02:45:20,710 whole tongue by the creek. 3996 02:45:20,720 --> 02:45:21,279 » I'm sorry. 3997 02:45:21,279 --> 02:45:22,960 >> Is it listed? 3998 02:45:22,960 --> 02:45:24,000 >> Mhm. 3999 02:45:24,000 --> 02:45:26,479 >> It's a real estate listing. Yeah. Uh, 4000 02:45:26,479 --> 02:45:28,960 it's coming up really fast and not 4001 02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:31,680 available yet. 4002 02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:32,560 >> Is it nine? 4003 02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:34,720 >> So, you break off the first first acre 4004 02:45:34,720 --> 02:45:36,720 with a historic house. You sell it for a 4005 02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:39,520 lot of money and then the town or the 4006 02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:41,760 school develops the rest. I mean, I'm 4007 02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:43,920 thinking outside the box here. That's a 4008 02:45:43,920 --> 02:45:46,479 lot of affordable housing. 4009 02:45:46,479 --> 02:45:47,200 >> Yeah. 4010 02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:49,120 >> So, I can I can let you all know when 4011 02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:51,439 it's open for viewing it. They did a 4012 02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:53,439 great restoration of the house itself. 4013 02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:55,680 And when Elwood was still alive, some of 4014 02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,200 you may remember he had the most 4015 02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:59,200 beautiful rose garden out in front. And 4016 02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:01,520 unfortunately, his daughter hasn't kept 4017 02:46:01,520 --> 02:46:04,560 it up, but um 4018 02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:05,920 >> thinking creatively, 4019 02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:09,359 >> you know, um it's a great idea and um 4020 02:46:09,359 --> 02:46:11,600 I've presented twice to the school board 4021 02:46:11,600 --> 02:46:16,160 and then met with foundation and um uh 4022 02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:18,000 school board members about teacher 4023 02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:19,520 housing in some of these different 4024 02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:23,760 spots. And I will say that 4025 02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:26,880 this is going back a year. I did hear 4026 02:46:26,880 --> 02:46:28,800 the property we're really interested in 4027 02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:31,040 is this one. 4028 02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:35,200 >> So I would suggest maybe um I think the 4029 02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:37,040 school board would be an interesting 4030 02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:38,240 place for you to present 4031 02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:39,760 >> them presentation 4032 02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:40,880 >> and the foundation. 4033 02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:43,680 >> Yeah. And and to Dick's point about the 4034 02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:45,760 CALR property, I just want to add if we 4035 02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:49,760 can get $2 million donations for strip 4036 02:46:49,760 --> 02:46:51,439 in the middle of Woodside Road. We could 4037 02:46:51,439 --> 02:46:54,240 certainly come up with somebody to help 4038 02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:59,439 us buy an undevelopable land at Flax 4039 02:46:59,439 --> 02:47:00,160 Hill. 4040 02:47:00,160 --> 02:47:03,359 >> Yeah. Very good. Thank you. Okay. Any 4041 02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:05,439 other public comments from anyone that 4042 02:47:05,439 --> 02:47:06,560 didn't? 4043 02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:08,640 >> I just like to make a comment on the on 4044 02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:13,680 the uh uh statement that that Calrans 4045 02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:16,080 came to Woodside with an offer for the 4046 02:47:16,080 --> 02:47:17,760 22 acres. I think that's really 4047 02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:19,760 disingenuous that I've been trying to 4048 02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:22,640 work I've been trying to get Paul to to 4049 02:47:22,640 --> 02:47:24,800 support the idea of the town acquiring 4050 02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:26,800 it as open space for a long time. He 4051 02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:28,240 didn't like the idea because that would 4052 02:47:28,240 --> 02:47:32,240 make it housing. But uh all of a sudden 4053 02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:34,640 uh you know Chris and our senator show 4054 02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:36,560 up in the newspaper and then Woodside 4055 02:47:36,560 --> 02:47:38,960 comes to uh you know that Calrans comes 4056 02:47:38,960 --> 02:47:40,720 to Woodside make an offer. I don't 4057 02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:44,399 believe it for a second. 4058 02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:44,880 Okay. 4059 02:47:44,880 --> 02:47:47,200 >> And hi 4060 02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:51,439 Uh as one one thing I uh as a followup 4061 02:47:51,439 --> 02:47:54,160 from my original comment, I noticed you 4062 02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:57,200 guys stated that um in response to or 4063 02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:58,960 like you characterize in your public 4064 02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:00,720 statement that Jason effectively 4065 02:48:00,720 --> 02:48:03,439 extorted the town and then I think um 4066 02:48:03,439 --> 02:48:06,000 the attorney said that 4067 02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:10,880 um the town was negotiating a severance 4068 02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:13,040 package that would include I don't know 4069 02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:15,200 how how much time, 6 months with a 4070 02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:18,000 commitment to investigate. And when I 4071 02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:21,120 first read when I first read the 4072 02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:22,800 statement from the town about the 4073 02:48:22,800 --> 02:48:24,960 extortion, I was shocked. I mean, I 4074 02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,520 think everyone was there was no mention 4075 02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:30,160 of effectively a failed severance 4076 02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:31,680 discussion. And I understand this 4077 02:48:31,680 --> 02:48:36,080 conversation was private. Um, 4078 02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:38,080 and there's not there's only so much 4079 02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:39,760 that you can say, but again to the 4080 02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:43,520 appearance of trust, it seems very weird 4081 02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:45,840 and striking that now we find that it 4082 02:48:45,840 --> 02:48:47,359 was kind of a failed severance 4083 02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:49,120 negotiation, 4084 02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:52,160 but it was characterized as extortion. 4085 02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:55,840 And I don't really know what is true. 4086 02:48:55,840 --> 02:48:57,600 Um, 4087 02:48:57,600 --> 02:49:00,319 and I again I just would ask I don't 4088 02:49:00,319 --> 02:49:01,520 think the district attorney has 4089 02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:03,439 committed to actually a formal 4090 02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:05,279 investigation, 4091 02:49:05,279 --> 02:49:09,040 but the town can elect or you know uh 4092 02:49:09,040 --> 02:49:10,880 find a third party investigator for the 4093 02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:13,120 claims specific 4094 02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:14,800 uh that were specifically outlined in 4095 02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:16,800 the whistleblower report and I think 4096 02:49:16,800 --> 02:49:18,560 that would help restore public trust. I 4097 02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:20,720 have I'm not I have no idea what to 4098 02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:22,560 believe. I have my own personal 4099 02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:24,000 experience with Jason like many of you 4100 02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,160 do and was incredibly impressed. I stood 4101 02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:28,640 up here I think month and a half ago 4102 02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:31,760 attesting to that fact you know um I 4103 02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:33,439 don't 4104 02:49:33,439 --> 02:49:35,200 I think having a process to really 4105 02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:37,760 daylight what is true and I just found 4106 02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:40,399 it very interesting just about the uh 4107 02:49:40,399 --> 02:49:42,240 the comment about the failed uh 4108 02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:47,990 severance discussion. So, yeah, 4109 02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:50,160 » looks like um I've got a I've got a 4110 02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:51,760 question about the town center area 4111 02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:54,399 plan. Um 4112 02:49:54,399 --> 02:49:57,279 if I read it correctly, we haven't had 4113 02:49:57,279 --> 02:49:59,680 an update from them since last year, 4114 02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:04,240 since December meeting and they had made 4115 02:50:04,240 --> 02:50:06,399 some promises to us that they would 4116 02:50:06,399 --> 02:50:07,760 involve the public more, do some 4117 02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:10,160 surveys. I feel like I' I've I've been 4118 02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:12,399 disappointed by the process and also 4119 02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:15,120 kind of gossmacked by the million-dollar 4120 02:50:15,120 --> 02:50:17,200 price tag that they put on this. And I 4121 02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:18,800 also, you can correct me if I'm wrong, 4122 02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:21,279 but I think the only deliverable that we 4123 02:50:21,279 --> 02:50:23,760 have for the housing element is to do a 4124 02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:26,319 town center area plan. I don't think we 4125 02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:28,240 have to do anything else. So, I feel 4126 02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:30,399 like we've overspent on that. And also 4127 02:50:30,399 --> 02:50:31,680 looking at the notes from those 4128 02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:35,279 meetings, I I see more discussion about 4129 02:50:35,279 --> 02:50:37,279 gathering places than I do about 4130 02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:39,520 actually identifying different types of 4131 02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:46,630 housing in town center. 4132 02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:50,640 » Okay, thank you. Um Kristen New, we're 4133 02:50:50,640 --> 02:50:55,110 going back to you. 4134 02:50:55,120 --> 02:50:57,680 » Thank you very much. Um my comment is 4135 02:50:57,680 --> 02:51:03,439 actually on um a advocating for a 4136 02:51:03,439 --> 02:51:07,359 version of the TCAP but for four corners 4137 02:51:07,359 --> 02:51:11,439 which is up uh at the highways 84 and 35 4138 02:51:11,439 --> 02:51:14,319 junction. I realize that this is on the 4139 02:51:14,319 --> 02:51:17,040 fringe of Woodside. It's right on the 4140 02:51:17,040 --> 02:51:21,600 border, but I this is a very important 4141 02:51:21,600 --> 02:51:24,000 place not just for woodsiders but for 4142 02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:25,920 people all over. And it is an important 4143 02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:28,640 place for woodsiders to recreate even 4144 02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:30,000 though there's not a lot of us who live 4145 02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:33,840 up here. But there, as you are pro, as 4146 02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:35,600 you are well aware, there was a very 4147 02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:38,160 tragic accident last year of a cyclist. 4148 02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:42,000 There have been numerous incidents, not 4149 02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:44,560 some of them fatal, traffic incidents. 4150 02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:48,720 It is a busy place. It has equestrians. 4151 02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:52,640 It has hikers. It has bicyclists. It has 4152 02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:55,680 motorcyclists. It has car drivers, not 4153 02:51:55,680 --> 02:51:57,840 just normal commuters, but lots of 4154 02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:00,560 people working in the areas with big 4155 02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:03,200 chipper trucks and we have sports car 4156 02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,439 enthusiasts mostly on the weekend. It's 4157 02:52:05,439 --> 02:52:08,640 a very busy place. It is something that 4158 02:52:08,640 --> 02:52:11,120 the town really should consider taking a 4159 02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:14,479 more active part in and engaging not 4160 02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:16,880 just the citizens who live up here but 4161 02:52:16,880 --> 02:52:19,439 all the citizens of Woodside because of 4162 02:52:19,439 --> 02:52:21,680 the recreation that this area offers and 4163 02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:24,720 this important corridor. So I would urge 4164 02:52:24,720 --> 02:52:27,600 the town council to consider creating 4165 02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:31,359 you know yes there is a TCAP committee 4166 02:52:31,359 --> 02:52:33,279 but there should be a committee for four 4167 02:52:33,279 --> 02:52:37,760 corners as well. Thank you very much. 4168 02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:40,800 >> Thank you. 4169 02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:47,590 Are there any other comments? 4170 02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:49,760 I'm confused. I see a hand up, but I 4171 02:52:49,760 --> 02:52:52,160 don't see a hand up. Do we have a hand 4172 02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:53,359 up? 4173 02:52:53,359 --> 02:52:57,120 >> Kendra, are did you want to talk again? 4174 02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:58,880 >> Yes, thank you. I actually had a 4175 02:52:58,880 --> 02:53:03,750 follow-up question on a comment. 4176 02:53:03,760 --> 02:53:07,680 Okay. So, my question follows the 4177 02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:12,000 comment about the three acres that's 4178 02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:15,040 directly next 4179 02:53:15,040 --> 02:53:19,279 to the Woodside school because my 4180 02:53:19,279 --> 02:53:22,080 question is it was said that perhaps the 4181 02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:25,120 better place to address that too would 4182 02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:27,520 be the school itself. 4183 02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:30,720 that seems like it 4184 02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:32,399 addresses a bunch of the issues that a 4185 02:53:32,399 --> 02:53:34,720 lot of us including myself had, which is 4186 02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:36,479 it's the center of town. It's close to 4187 02:53:36,479 --> 02:53:38,800 amenities. It addresses perhaps the 4188 02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:40,479 population we're actually trying to 4189 02:53:40,479 --> 02:53:42,080 target. It answers some of the housing 4190 02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:44,080 element issues. It's not on the north 4191 02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:47,600 side, etc. I won't go on, but my 4192 02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:52,880 question is this. If say the school 4193 02:53:52,880 --> 02:53:58,319 town, would that still qualify towards, 4194 02:53:58,319 --> 02:54:03,750 you know, the the town's numbers? 4195 02:54:03,760 --> 02:54:08,870 » Yeah. Sage, you want to take that? 4196 02:54:08,880 --> 02:54:10,160 » There's a there's a couple different 4197 02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:12,560 things to look at. Whenever housing 4198 02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:14,399 permits get issued, they count towards 4199 02:54:14,399 --> 02:54:17,680 the housing numbers. There's a target. 4200 02:54:17,680 --> 02:54:19,920 There's certain target sites, certain 4201 02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:22,080 target programs to be met in the housing 4202 02:54:22,080 --> 02:54:25,279 element cycle. Should the town look for 4203 02:54:25,279 --> 02:54:26,640 other alternatives? It would be 4204 02:54:26,640 --> 02:54:28,800 something that have to open up the 4205 02:54:28,800 --> 02:54:30,319 housing element to determine if they're 4206 02:54:30,319 --> 02:54:32,319 going to make changes to that those 4207 02:54:32,319 --> 02:54:34,640 particular goals. Something else in 4208 02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:37,200 addition to those goals occurs that may 4209 02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:39,040 occur. It's totally fine. It would still 4210 02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:42,160 be counted. Um it's just a matter of 4211 02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:43,840 still carrying out the goals and targets 4212 02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:47,830 that are in the housing element. 4213 02:54:47,840 --> 02:54:50,240 it all over it like they would if they 4214 02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:51,359 were bought it. 4215 02:54:51,359 --> 02:54:55,439 >> Yes, it would have to be reszoned. 4216 02:54:55,439 --> 02:54:58,080 >> Oh, we've proven that can happen. 4217 02:54:58,080 --> 02:54:59,920 >> You can make wildlife multif family. 4218 02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:01,680 >> Okay. I think they're they don't know. 4219 02:55:01,680 --> 02:55:05,680 They're still talking. Um, okay. Any 4220 02:55:05,680 --> 02:55:08,720 other comments? 4221 02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:10,399 Okay. Seeing none, we're going to call 4222 02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:13,920 this at 10 p.m. Uh, and uh, thank you 4223 02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:16,920 everyone.