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So, um, so I'm Sage, the planning

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director. Um, just here to give a brief

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intro. Uh so first off, thank you

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everybody for coming and um continuing

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to uh work on this project on the CAC.

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Um so uh just first off, you do have a

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number of desk items. Um most were

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emailed to you ahead of time as they

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were received. I just want to note there

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were two additional desk items that came

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in after 5:00 today. Um and those have

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been provided for you and they're all in

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front of you. And so,

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uh, just want to note that, um, you

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know, why we're here tonight and, um,

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we're getting close to the midway of

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this process and it's important that,

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uh, the town provides an update to the

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town council. So, we've had, uh, two, I

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think, um, well attended and a lot of

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input at the last two CAC meetings. Uh

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and from that um there have been some

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you know very general design concepts

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prepared um in response to some of the

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feedback that we received uh before we

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presented that information to the

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council. We wanted to make sure the CAC

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members had a chance to look at it and

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provide some recommendations. So that

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was the main purpose of this extra

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meeting, this extra CAC meeting tonight.

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Um, and then I just uh so we will be

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going to the town council at their next

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meeting on Tuesday, next Tuesday.

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The And then just a reminder for

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everyone, you know, the town center area

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plan, it's a long range planning

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document that is focused on a particular

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area in town. Um, it is a policy

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document. So you know at the end of this

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process there will be policies that will

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guide the town set priorities for

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different action items for the town to

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pursue.

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Um that policy document is not

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um something that will implement any

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specific idea to the fine granular

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detail. So that what you have before you

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tonight are just general design concepts

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of things that the town may consider in

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some kind of abstract form. Um and if

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ultimately adopted by the town council

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uh different policies to pursue some

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different options and in the future any

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options that the town council pursue or

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any policies that direct the town to

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pursue different options I will still

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have input on those granular details. um

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everything that you have before you

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tonight again is just kind of concept

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visions to look at um and provide some

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feedback on. So just remember we're not

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voting or deciding if this actual design

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is going to be implemented or not but

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looking at it more of a holistic kind of

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policy concept review. So I just want to

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reiterate that. But um with that again,

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thank you all for coming and I'll turn

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it over to um Good City Company who has

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been assisting us with this process.

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All right, thanks Sage. Thanks for the

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welcome. Good to see everyone again. Um

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we really appreciate you all taking time

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to be a part of this process. As Sage

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pointed out, we had a couple of um

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really successful, productive,

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respectful meetings uh so far. So, we

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want to keep building on that momentum.

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So, for tonight, the agenda, um we had

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the welcome in the opening from Sage and

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myself. Then I'll jump into a quick

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refresher on the project, uh what we've

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done so far, where we're going next, and

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what we want to get out of this effort.

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the meeting, we're going to focus on

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transportation ideas. Like Sage said, we

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have a couple of ideas. You know, you

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we then we developed some concepts that

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we'd love to kind of just chat about

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with you all to refine them. Um and then

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to give you just the chance to take a

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you know, take a stab at them before we

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go to council next week. Um so we're

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really going to focus on those concepts

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for most of the meeting. Uh then we'll

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little bit of a time to touch base about

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housing. Um really important topic. We

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meeting, but we'd like to come back to

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it again at the end of this meeting.

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sort of um talk about where we're going

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timeline. Uh the big giant star there is

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our meeting tonight. We had already like

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last July and we had one in December. Um

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of present, you know, what we've talked

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since we had sort of the time and space

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council, we're going to go ahead and add

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tonight's meeting. um to give you the

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opportunity to share the input with us

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council. Um and then what we'll be doing

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a fuller phase of community engagement

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like we did last time. We'll have a

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survey, some popups, uh openhouse

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workshop, and then we'll be back with

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the CAC again uh to kind of take stock

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last meeting. Um and then to kind of

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keep refining the ideas and the policies

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as Sage said as we kind of move forward

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towards a more refined policy effort and

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objectives or guiding principles but

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this is kind of what we as a town want

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to get out out of this effort. Um, so we ran through this list last time. We

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weigh in on this. I think um we're

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kind of clarifying questions or comments

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how much housing we look at. Uh most

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likely it'll be a regular squa process

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different topic areas um to some degree.

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um that we can tear off of the work done

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with a very I think more clear approach

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to uh remind everyone to please make

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sure you speak closely into the

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microphones and one for the folks in the

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room, but most importantly for the folks

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that are joining us on Zoom, the only

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way they're going to hear you is if that

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you actually speak really closely into

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the microphones. So, thanks.

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like is a little bit abyss for this list

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that I just wanted to put in front of

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the group. Um, I attended one of the

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council meetings in January and an

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organization called LAFCO, which is an

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arm of San Monteo County that audits the

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health of the town cities presented to

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us on the kind of what's the health of

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things, so our budget is about $12.5

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million a year.

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um 51% of our budget comes from property

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taxes, which is really unusual in the

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county. That's normally 15 or 20%.

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right? That revenue source. Um our next

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biggest revenue source is permitting and

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fees. We have very little sales tax,

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very little business taxes, no hotel tax

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that most of the other cities make a

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towns make a lot of money on. Um and so

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why do I bring this up? Well, our police

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services cost $3 million a year and

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they're projected to grow way faster

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than our town revenue and LAFCO in this

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meeting raised an alarm that said by

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2030 we may be looking at a million

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dollar shortfall in our budget which is

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kind of where Pole Valley is right where

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they're in financial trouble. So the

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should one of our desired outcomes or

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goals for the town center project be to

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try to focus on having the town center

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generate revenue for the town as a

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priority? Um is that a way to close that

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gap that's inevitably coming if it's not

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in the scope of this project. So that's

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is do we need a number 12 which is one

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of our goals needs to be to design the

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town center as a revenue generator for

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the town as as fitting with the rest of

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our principles but really think about

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if we have that shortfall. So that's

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why don't we take that down? And, um, I

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don't see any reason why not to add that

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there. Um, unless we have any other

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ideas about that thought or any others

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on the outcomes list.

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flexibility to land owners and explore

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allowing residential development

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process is exactly to what degree do we

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allow residential. So, it's kind of hard

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outcome of that discussion. Um, so I was

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kind of we're leaving that a little bit

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vague. And if that's our whole process,

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>> Sure.

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>> So, quick comment. In other cities and

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municipalities, residential typically is

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a cost. It is not a uh revenue

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generator. So, in light of the comment

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made here and the ad of 12, I think

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there's an impact on 11.

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Yeah, there could be, I think, some

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tradeoffs there that we'll have to think

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about. Um,

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>> I mean, to me, these are all goals. Oh,

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sorry, not even goals. They're

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opportunities. It says explore allowing

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residential. Doesn't say force it.

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Doesn't say you have to do it. Doesn't

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say anything. There's no mandate. It

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says explore it. That's all it says. So,

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I don't think they're actually in

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conflict at all because we can encourage

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more businesses to have more uh, you

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know, taxable revenue for the town while

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still allowing land owners to make use

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of their land as they want, including

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exploring residential uses. I don't

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think they're in conflict at all.

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>> Well said.

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Any other thoughts?

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All right.

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So, let's jump into tonight's

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sort of main course. Um, transportation

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improvement concepts. And when we say

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transportation, we really mean

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everything. Cars, bikes, horses, people,

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and also the public spaces by those

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transportation spaces, public spaces.

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So, trans transportation is kind of a,

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you know, catchall, but we're talking

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about a couple of different things here

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tonight. Um, and as Sage mentioned that

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really this is still conceptual. We're

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still kind of throwing ideas out there,

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visioning. We're not making final

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decisions. Um, we're going to take what

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we hear with tonight, share it with the

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council, um, help inform kind of the

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next meeting that we have with this

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group. Um, but we'll have at least two

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more meetings with y'all to kind of

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finalize these ideas and other ideas

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that we're, you know, talking about.

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um before we finalize the plan which

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will kind of capture the policy input

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that this group has worked on. Um so in

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front of you you all have a a handout.

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It's the large 11 by7 sheet that you

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have. Um you can use that to basically

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kind of follow along our ideas. We kind

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of have these five areas that we're

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going to go through one by one and talk

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about each area. So there's a a page for

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each of those areas uh that kind of sums

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up the ideas. You can mark down

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additional comments on this form if you

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want. If you, you know, don't get a

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chance to say it, you can mark that down

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and hand it back to us. Um, or you can

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just use this to kind of follow along as

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Ryan goes through the different areas.

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Um, but just that's just basically kind

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of a presentation aid for you guys to

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have as we go through this tonight. Um,

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so Ryan's going to get up here in a sec

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and he's going to go through each of

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these areas. We'll do a very brief

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presentation about kind of the ideas.

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Then we'll pause for discussion debate.

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Um, and then we'll maybe have a little

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show of hands voting about kind of some

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of the ideas and which ones you guys

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think are more more promising and not.

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Um, so with that, I'll hand it over to

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Ryan.

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» Thanks, Troy.

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Okay. Uh, this won't be short, so we'll

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get started. Uh, next slide, Troy. So,

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the really important thing to remember

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tonight is we have put these ideas out

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there to get as much feedback from all

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of you as possible. And what's really

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exciting about these meetings is when

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you actually discuss these things

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amongst yourselves because it usually

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unears more thinking. And the more

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thinking that we get on the table, the

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better we'll be able to find consensus

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with your interests, with the uh

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administration's uh interests, and also

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with the community's interests. So

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that's kind of the big process that

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we're aiming towards is incorporating as

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much feedback and the trade-offs, making

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decisions about the trade-offs to get to

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the right consensus.

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So I'll go through these this slide kind

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of outlines some of the key issues that

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we can look at tonight. Uh number one,

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Woodside and Kinyatta and Mountain Home

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intersection is a bit challenging. We

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heard that from all of you and the

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community as well. So we've come up with

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some ideas about that. Uh it's unsafe to

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cross Woodside Road in a lot of number

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of different places for pedestrians,

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horses, and bikes. Uh traffic moves too

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fast near the school and often uh from actually from Whiskey Hill into

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town as well. Uh there's no pathway on

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the north side of Woodside Road for the

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students uh to walk. At least it's not

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consistent. In some cases there's a

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walkway, in some cases there's drainage,

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in some cases there's parking. Uh we

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want to talk about um some of the

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parking issues in and around Robert's uh grocery where you're you're parking

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right in front and then also the

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difficulty of turning left on Whiskey

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Hill. There's traffic coming from both

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directions. It's not a controlled

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intersection and it can get a little

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hairy up there if you're trying to make

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a left onto it. Uh and then also it's not comfortable to get from the

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east side to the town center without a

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car. So that's kind of our our last

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issue there. Next slide.

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So to kind of categorize these

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discussions, we broke it up into five

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areas. Uh each one kind of touches on

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different things and they can kind of

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work in isolation, but I think they work

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better in concert with each other

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ultimately. So we'll be thinking about

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how the solutions for A and B and C and

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D could put potentially kind of work all

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together and create a a better town

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center environment. But we'll start off

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with Woodside West Woodside Road uh

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section A.

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Uh important thing to keep in and Sage

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mentioned this earlier. These are long

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range ideas. There's a whole process

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before anything gets implemented where

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they survey. You look where the

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utilities are. You look where the

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property lines are in great detail. So,

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and there's a whole public process that

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goes with actually implementing these

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ideas. But we've put together kind of

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vision concepts. So the big idea and

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we'll decide which of those seem to make

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sense. Um projects are ideally funded by

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grants town work uh town public works

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capital improvements or CALR. Uh we are

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trying to keep uh you know investments

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not not falling on the private property

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owners. Um again implementing these will

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require additional analysis review and

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sign off by CALR. And then we want to

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partner with land owners as much to kind

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of facilitate uh the ideas that kind of

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work for everybody. Next slide.

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So we'll start with the western Woodside

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Road. And this really uh spans from just

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past little store past the church all

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the way up to Robert's. And it's an

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interesting stretch of road. You have

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two different conditions for the bike

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lanes. you have kind of a a varying

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condition on the sidewalk on the south

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side and then the shoulder takes all

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kinds of different forms uh on the north

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side. So, we'll go to the next slide.

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Like Woodside, it's very unique. So,

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it'll have to be studied block by block

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in a lot of detail, but there were some

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sensitive areas that were revealed when

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we talked to uh the community and that

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really pertained to um the school, the

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little store, the church, and uh coming

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up to Robert's. Um so, this is the

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existing section here. Again, you'll see

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that there's a multi-use trail that in

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some places is really well defined. In

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other places, it's a bit rough. uh on

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the on the the right side here which is

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the school side. Uh the shoulder is

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around four feet. You got 12 foot travel

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lanes where the first one is actually

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shared with the bikes. The second one is

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clear of the bikes and you have a

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dedicated bike lane and then you have

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that shoulder that varies along the way.

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Next slide.

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So right now it is somewhat of an unsafe

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environment for the elementary school

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students. um vehicles at times do go

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over the speed limit and speed down this

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corridor. Uh and there's a lack of

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parking for the commercial uses at the

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church and at little store. Um so some

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of the CAC feedback that we had before

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was the elementary students pedestrian

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bicycles were tied up uh for the top

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priority to fix uh and we want to really

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fix the speeding issues that are along

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that stretch of road. Next slide.

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Some of the kind of broad ideas on here

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is starting with the pedestrian, how do

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we improve things on the north side and

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then how do we improve things on the

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south side of the street. In some of the

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areas around the school, they're already

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fairly nicely improved. Um, but it's

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when you start heading west from the

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school that things get a little

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irregular. So, looking at really

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formulizing formalizing the pedestrian

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um or the pedestrian and equestrian

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improvements along this corridor. Um, so

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enhance the existing path on the south side and look for opportunities to

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create a new multi-use path on the north

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side. Uh, in and around the school zone

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treatments, we have some a couple

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different concepts there that are

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additive. You can look at doing all of

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them or just some of them. Uh, and so

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let's let's go to the next slide, Troy.

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So traffic calming uh they've already

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started your your city's uh already done

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quite a bit to start traffic calming uh

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with high visibility crosswalks the

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rapid flashing beacons uh bike lane on

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one side the posted speed limit and we

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noticed tonight that there's the speed

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check uh digital readout which is really

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great that's very very helpful. Uh so

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the first concept is to bracket it up a

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notch. Uh narrow the lanes to 11 ft wide

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which is not an uncommon dimension uh

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for for vehicles to travel. It narrows

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up the feeling of the road a little bit.

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So people do tend to drive slower in

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those environments. Um create safer

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crossing points at Albon and new

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crossings at Fox Hollow and Miramontes.

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Um you know natural connection points

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for the neighborhoods. Uh and then look

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at uh curb extensions where there's a

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really strong definition of where the

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car uh has to go when they turn the

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corner. So there's no cutting the corner

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or where pedestrians might be standing.

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Uh speed bumps, raised crosswalks. Uh do

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folks understand the difference between

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a a raised crosswalk speed table and a speed bump? Uh if not, let me know

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and we can walk through that. It's a

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nice device. It creates a really nice

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crosswalk for pedestrians and it really

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forces the cars to slow down without

535
00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,159
that jolt that you get with the regular

536
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:28,799
speed bump. Um, and then school zone

537
00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,640
visual treatments are really great if

538
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,159
you can play up the visibility of the

539
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:34,880
crosswalk as much as possible and really

540
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,720
get people's attention, which is getting

541
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,679
harder in cars, um, with as many visual

542
00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,520
cues and suggestions. We think that's

543
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,720
really important. So, these are kind of

544
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,520
like the base recommendations. Next

545
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,240
slide.

546
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,080
Uh the concept two is if we can uh let's

547
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,240
really formalize the multi-use trails on

548
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,159
either side of the road. This is going

549
00:22:56,159 --> 00:22:57,840
to take a really careful study on the

550
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,440
north side to look at where the power

551
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,360
lines are or the power poles are where there's big trees or where they're

552
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:04,720
not big trees and then there's the

553
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,880
drainage. So that would take a lot of

554
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,640
study, but it would be a great long-term

555
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,799
goal for the city to achieve um

556
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,880
pedestrian safe travel on both sides of

557
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,600
the street. the southside on the side of

558
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240
the school is actually uh I think it's

559
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,400
quite implementable. Uh it's it's not

560
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,159
far off from where it is today. So I

561
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:24,720
think that's a good thing if we can buy

562
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,679
ourselves some space take some space

563
00:23:27,679 --> 00:23:31,120
away from the cars and you know get two

564
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:34,240
dedicated bike lanes. It wouldn't be for

565
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,840
the entire length because there are some

566
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,600
trees some really old trees that

567
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,559
encroach and narrow the roadway. But if

568
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,320
we could, you know, beyond those trees

569
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,159
which are closer to the school going

570
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,000
west, if we could implement dedicated

571
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,280
bike lanes so that a cyclist, you know,

572
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,440
has a symmetrical street layout, they

573
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,120
know that they're going this way on a on

574
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,880
a dedicated bike lane and coming back on

575
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,799
a dedicated bike lane, which is kind of

576
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,760
a clear use of the street for them.

577
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,280
Uh, next slide.

578
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,840
So, Little Store, uh, you know, it's a

579
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,840
great asset for the community. uh

580
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,320
provides services uh without going all

581
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,960
the way into the center. Uh right now

582
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,440
it's there's a very nicely defined

583
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,679
parking lot off the street, but there's

584
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:20,240
some kind of ambiguous zones on either

585
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,919
side of the store that could be parking,

586
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,200
maybe they're not parking. There's some

587
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,880
wood stumps, there's signage that says

588
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,159
no. So going through a process where you

589
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,840
really define what legally is in the

590
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,000
public right away, what can legally be

591
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,559
used as parking for the store and trying

592
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,559
to make it easy and safe for um cars to

593
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,400
park uh and also uh dedicating space for

594
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,320
the bikes to travel on dedicated bike

595
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,000
lanes I think would be a worthwhile um

596
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,720
effort to clarify all of that. Next

597
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880
slide.

598
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,360
So, this shows uh in plan kind of what

599
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,080
we're thinking. Uh little stores there

600
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,919
in the white outline with the parking

601
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:01,760
lot to the right and just kind of

602
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,240
creating a more formalized uh sidewalk

603
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,600
or you know path environment. Uh have

604
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,720
clearly defined parking and then

605
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,200
narrowing the travel lanes to 11 feet

606
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,840
gives room for 5ft bike lane and six

607
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,159
foot upgraded DG path on the south side.

608
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,120
Next slide.

609
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,520
So before we jump into the the next

610
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,279
session, I thought it'd be good to kind

611
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,520
of hear from all of you on this. What

612
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000
are people's initial reactions to the

613
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,880
concepts? Um, you know, share us share

614
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,919
with us what you're you're thinking.

615
00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:41,029
Harley,

616
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,760
» I'm all for anything that makes it safer

617
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,919
for pedestrians and the students and

618
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,400
bicyclists and stuff. Um I do have a

619
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,039
question from one point on one of the

620
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,799
other slides. It said implemented was

621
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,960
posted speed limit lowered to 15 miles

622
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,159
per hour. Is there an update about CALR

623
00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:04,640
and lowering the speed limit near

624
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,799
school?

625
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,440
>> Not yet.

626
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,559
>> Yes. Uh Lewis, public works director. Um

627
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,200
the request to reduce speed uh on what

628
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,720
side road in front of the elementary

629
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,880
school was submitted to CALR. Um, I'll

630
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,880
be meeting with Calrance on Monday and

631
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,640
get an update on that, but we did submit

632
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:29,510
that request.

633
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,320
» Yes, Steve. Um, yeah, I I mean, I wrote

634
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,000
this in my letter, but I'll try to throw

635
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,640
it quickly. I I the uh your diagram

636
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,200
shows a 5-ft bike lane immediately

637
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,200
adjacent to parked cars, which is really

638
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,880
dangerous. And um I went not sure

639
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,720
there's actually enough room for bike

640
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,320
lanes in this section.

641
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,559
and and the existing path near the

642
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,440
school is a sidewalk really. It's not,

643
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,520
you know, state and federal standards

644
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,840
call for 12 feet a width for shared

645
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,960
paths that are two-way. And so, um, you

646
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720
know, these are substandard and I think

647
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,200
dangerous. So, I think balancing

648
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,360
everything out, we'd actually do better

649
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,520
to narrow the traffic lanes to slow

650
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,400
people down and to and to get rid of the

651
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,919
bike lanes alto together and have a

652
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:17,520
12-oot shared use path on one side with

653
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,679
frequent crosswalks and ways to get to

654
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,240
the crosswalks on the north side.

655
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,480
>> Great.

656
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Any other comments,

657
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,960
>> uh, yeah, I think I'm glad to see a lot

658
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,080
of these. I know on circulation

659
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,960
committee we've been talking about

660
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,400
various ideas like this for years. So

661
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,880
it's very good to see it holistically. I

662
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,200
think the uh I agree with Steve's

663
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,440
comments generally about you know where

664
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,039
there's enough space and there isn't. I

665
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,919
do I know the north side uh sidewalk or

666
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:46,080
path there's another use for that which

667
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,760
is there there's families that live up

668
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Monty's Audi Fred etc who have to

669
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,159
literally walk through a ditch or have

670
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,240
to cross the road at a non-crosswalk to

671
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,760
get to school or to get to town center

672
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,720
because there's actually no place to

673
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,799
walk unless you walk opposite traffic in

674
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,480
the bike lane which is both illegal and

675
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,559
dangerous. So I think trying to find

676
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,000
whatever we can to do it there obviously

677
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,279
will be expensive. There's drainage

678
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,880
concerns and it's not going to be a

679
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,720
project we start tomorrow but I think

680
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,480
support for it is great. I think the

681
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,600
crosswalks are another thing to have

682
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,279
support from people in that area. Again,

683
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,039
if you actually go out there and look, I

684
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,320
used to think it was not that bad. And

685
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,760
then when I went out there with a parent

686
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,279
a couple times, it's people are speeding

687
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:20,880
and they're not waiting for you. And

688
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,240
frankly, you're you're walking across

689
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,440
the road without a crosswalk, so they're

690
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,039
not expecting you. Um, so no, I think

691
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:26,399
those are good ideas. I think the one

692
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:27,840
thing to be cautious of with lane

693
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,000
narrowing is obviously Cal has to

694
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320
approve it. That is a highway. Um, lots

695
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,679
of people in Woodside have trailers,

696
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,600
right? Obviously horse trailers, utility

697
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,120
trailers, those are wider. There's

698
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,279
usually 102 inches wide. Um, so we just

699
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:40,480
want to make sure we don't create a

700
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,760
situation where people just knock it

701
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640
into things or or driving across a lane,

702
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,000
right? Like sometimes on that narrow

703
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,399
bridge on 84 trailers will drive across

704
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:49,600
because they want to keep a buffer to

705
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600
that wall on the side. So that could,

706
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,880
you know, inadvertently cause a problem.

707
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,320
So that's something to be aware of in

708
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,240
narrowing in an area like this as

709
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,279
opposed to maybe like a residential

710
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,159
street where you're not going to have

711
00:28:58,159 --> 00:28:58,880
heavy traffic,

712
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,360
>> right? Could make one more. I mean, the

713
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
lanes are already 11 ft near the school.

714
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,760
The the sidewalk project narrowed the

715
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,080
lanes there. So, Kellr approve that.

716
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,080
We're already living with that and I

717
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,840
haven't heard complaints about those

718
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,159
lanes being too narrow.

719
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,240
>> So, a couple a couple of other comments.

720
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,159
So, like EANO, we look at this stuff in

721
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,320
circulation all the time, right? So, I

722
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,880
maybe a little more detail um on the

723
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
traffic calming stuff. You guys are

724
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,399
going to be very thoughtful about our

725
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,960
equestrian community. So, horse trailers

726
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,000
and speed bumps don't mix at all, right?

727
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
So, we would have to have I I don't know

728
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,039
how we're going to handle that. Um, uh,

729
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,039
same idea with Narrow we talked about

730
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,000
earlier. Um, I think that we all want to

731
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,279
have safety for the kids.

732
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:43,760
>> Mhm.

733
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,840
>> Woodside Road is also a primary wildfire

734
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,880
evacuation route,

735
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,360
>> right?

736
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,919
>> So, whatever we do needs to we just need

737
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:51,039
to make sure we don't accidentally

738
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,640
reduce capacity so people die in a

739
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,399
wildfire, right? Trying to get down from

740
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,919
the hill. Um, I would extend this to

741
00:29:57,919 --> 00:29:59,919
Kings Mountain. It would be silly to

742
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:02,159
have a beautiful six foot wide DG path

743
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:04,159
that stops at the little store because

744
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,159
the trails go on Kings Mountain and

745
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:09,279
that's that's a that's right where the

746
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,960
current trail dies, right?

747
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,320
>> Right in front of the little street. So,

748
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,919
it's just such an easy opportunity to

749
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,120
connect to the King's Mountain trail

750
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,399
network. Um the just to in back your

751
00:30:18,399 --> 00:30:19,679
head, the town engineer was very

752
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:20,960
concerned about drainage on the north

753
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,320
side when this has been brought up. So,

754
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,679
they were talking about it being very

755
00:30:23,679 --> 00:30:26,000
expensive because of having to reroute

756
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080
drainage compared to making it great on

757
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,000
the south side. Um, I think an an urgent

758
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,440
project that we're thinking about in

759
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,640
circulation, but you guys could help

760
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,360
with simply publishing clarity about

761
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,760
rules. So, we have, you know, residents

762
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,600
who put no parking signs up in the

763
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,960
public right of way because they don't

764
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,320
like the little store parking, right?

765
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,720
And that's not probably great behavior.

766
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,320
So, you know, who's allowed to park

767
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,240
where in Woodside is people don't really

768
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,640
know and it's not well signed and why.

769
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,919
Um, same thing about who's allowed to

770
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:55,679
use the trails there. So, we have

771
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:58,000
examples of equestrians telling kids on

772
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,159
bikes get off the trail, right?

773
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,000
>> Get on public trails. And so, we just,

774
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,399
you know, what's allowed, I think, is

775
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,159
really important to so people know

776
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:07,200
because people want to follow the rules.

777
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,559
They just don't know.

778
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,880
>> Yeah. Clear signage stating directly

779
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,320
what's permissible, what's not

780
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,320
permissible, and who can use the

781
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,480
facilities. That's great. Thank you.

782
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880
>> I would echo what Mr. Ducker just said

783
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,600
and then also add that probably step one

784
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,360
would be applying a fair amount of TLC

785
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,640
to the existing trail um along Woodside

786
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Road on the south side because on a day

787
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,919
like today it is very swampy.

788
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:34,559
>> Yeah.

789
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,559
>> And the drainage is not good. And fixing

790
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:41,360
the drainage on that and making it a 365

791
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,480
day a year path would be really useful.

792
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Lyle, that's interesting because in a

793
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,399
sense all of these improvements could

794
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,960
also go through a phasing process, you

795
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
know, so what's your absolute top, you

796
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,200
know, priority that needs to happen

797
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,559
ASAP? Let's write that down. And then

798
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,880
what's what are the nice to haves? Like,

799
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,720
okay, in a perfect world with unlimited

800
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,120
funding, we could do X, Y, and Z. Or

801
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,720
just I think categorizing where your

802
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,960
priorities are would be really great.

803
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200
>> Formalizing the parking as pointed out

804
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,559
would be good. The other thing as far as

805
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,799
additional crosswalks,

806
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:18,880
if you were going to prioritize, it

807
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600
would be easier to justify um something

808
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
where Miramar Montes is versus Fox

809
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Hollow, which is a dead-end road that

810
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360
doesn't have a particular amount of um

811
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,039
either of the four forms of traffic

812
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,640
coming in and out of it.

813
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,440
>> Okay.

814
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,320
>> Yes, Richard.

815
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,880
>> So, uh great comments here and I agree

816
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,799
with all of them. Does the sale of the

817
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,760
site next door to the elementary school

818
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,200
in any way impact the location of the

819
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,200
improvements that you show on slide 12?

820
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,840
>> Go back to slide 12.

821
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,320
>> So there's been a sale of that large

822
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760
parcel immediately west and adjoining

823
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,440
the school. though and that's got a fair

824
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,679
bit of frontage and right now it's shown

825
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:10,720
with school zone treatments. Does that

826
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,080
sale potential sale and potential use or

827
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,559
development change any of this? It's a

828
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:17,519
minor point but

829
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,799
>> yeah I think as the vision for that site

830
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,200
evolves and what the school intends to

831
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,360
do with it the sensitivity is going to

832
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320
be access you know how is that site

833
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,080
moving people how are they moving people

834
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,559
onto that site is it through extending

835
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,559
circulation that's already connected to

836
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,640
the school or will they be looking at

837
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,399
curb cuts or widening curb cuts and uh

838
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:43,279
and then also land use intensity so I

839
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,679
think at this stage um the priority

840
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,880
ities of creating safe travel for

841
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,360
pedestrians, horses, and bikes can stay

842
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,200
consistent. And then we'll keep an eye

843
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,440
on that and see where it goes as they

844
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:03,909
reveal more of their thinking.

845
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:07,679
» Back to uh the little store area and um

846
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:10,639
you asked about priorities. Um, so I'm a

847
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,639
resident up near that area and walk by

848
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,119
there daily and it is extremely

849
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,000
dangerous. Now there are so many people

850
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
coming in and out of the little store,

851
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560
crossing the road there, kids, you know,

852
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,679
adults, um, all during the day while the

853
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,000
store is open. And I mean, I have seen

854
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,359
people almost get hit. Um, certainly

855
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:36,399
traffic does speed up once it leaves the

856
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,639
school. It is clearly marked. All the

857
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,119
crosswalks are great at the school for

858
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,320
25 and um cars just speed up because

859
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,440
there are no signs that say it's still

860
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,639
25 until you hit uh past Kings Mountain

861
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,280
Road or at Kings Mountain Road. So I

862
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,760
think a priority be besides certainly

863
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,960
parking delineating parking but also

864
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,920
putting in at least one crosswalk

865
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,760
whether it's at uh Fox Hollow enabling

866
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,000
people to cross the street to get to

867
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
their cars um wherever they are along

868
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,960
there or Mariamontes.

869
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,400
um a crosswalk is needed and uh

870
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,359
preferably just a simple 25 mph sign

871
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,000
right around Miramonte's Fox Hollow

872
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,119
again telling people this is still a 25

873
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:29,280
mph speed zone.

874
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,000
>> Great. So, do you think uh the Fox

875
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,520
Hollow Road or the Little Store, a

876
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,040
crosswalk right at Little Store or in

877
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,880
instead of Fox Hollow, does that make

878
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,920
more sense in your mind or do you think

879
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,720
>> I think either is fine? I mean, whatever

880
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,280
you think would be easier to get uh

881
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,160
past.

882
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:50,560
>> Okay.

883
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,839
>> Um just something there needs to be

884
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:57,200
there. Um, it Fox Hollow is so close to

885
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,520
the little store that even I think it

886
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,400
wouldn't people would still walk those

887
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,440
few, you know, feet to get to Fox Hollow

888
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:05,760
to cross

889
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,079
>> to use a safe cross. Yeah.

890
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:08,480
>> Great.

891
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,000
>> But either way.

892
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:10,400
>> Yeah.

893
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,640
>> Thanks, Vanessa. Yeah.

894
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,599
>> Uh, should we

895
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:14,480
>> Oh, great.

896
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,599
>> Yes, Carolyn.

897
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,079
>> Hi. Uh, just a question about the

898
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,079
village hub parking that's suggested

899
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,200
here as well. There was a helpful

900
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
diagram for the little store, but uh I

901
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,760
didn't see one for the space on the

902
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,240
north side along Village Hub. Is that

903
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,400
just because it's more self-explanatory

904
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,200
or

905
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,599
>> uh

906
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,359
>> were there specific recommendations that

907
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:34,000
you had?

908
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,400
>> The the there's signage right now at

909
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,720
Village Hub that I believe says no

910
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,560
parking at certain times. Um but Troy,

911
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,320
let's look at that. We'll take some

912
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,079
pictures tonight and at least document

913
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,480
exactly what the rules are in that spot

914
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,079
because I remember I had to park way

915
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,960
down Woodside Road when we did the popup

916
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,560
at the Village Hub because the parking

917
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,760
was not allowed along the street there.

918
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,079
Um

919
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,200
uh let's let's hear from Sue.

920
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,880
>> Hi.

921
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,560
Would the bike lane by foot also count

922
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,680
as roadway?

923
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,520
So, say for a firet truck.

924
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,320
>> Yes. Okay.

925
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,640
>> Yeah. If they needed that extra, there

926
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,720
would not be any ballards or barriers

927
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,760
between those two environments. And a

928
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,000
lot of times in that configuration where

929
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,200
there's um an adjacent bike lane, the

930
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,280
cyclist will like to pass slower bike

931
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,680
cyclists and they'll go into the roadway

932
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,440
to get around those guys rather than

933
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,119
trying to do it all in the five feet.

934
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,839
So, there's no barriers between the two.

935
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,520
>> Okay. So legally, if we're saying a road

936
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,280
has to be 26 foot wide for a fire truck

937
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520
going to a 30 foot tall, taller

938
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,640
structure, we could say this road as

939
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,200
pictured.

940
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,880
>> Definitely. Yeah, they can put the feet

941
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,119
down uh on the fire truck rig because

942
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,440
you basically have 30 plus feet to work

943
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,480
with.

944
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,910
>> Yeah. Thanks.

945
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,520
» I just wanted to call out a pray praise

946
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,119
for the school's own treatment uh

947
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:04,640
designation. I know one thing we've

948
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,720
identified is the the school is actually

949
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,480
quite good at hiding itself. So it's

950
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,599
kind of follows a woodside design

951
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,440
aesthetic of being subordinate to the

952
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,200
land. It's almost too good and so people

953
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,880
who don't know it's there until you are

954
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,079
literally on top of it, you do not know

955
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,520
there's a school there. So things we can

956
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,880
do to make that more obvious are very

957
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,680
good.

958
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,240
>> Excellent.

959
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,760
Great. Uh we'll keep going then on to

960
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,000
area two. Oh, really quick, Troy. Do you think we should do the vote or

961
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,880
>> Yeah, just out of curiosity, uh just do

962
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,320
a quick show of hands for everyone who

963
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:46,630
supports the north side path.

964
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,720
» We can do a priority list maybe.

965
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,240
>> Yeah. Well, it's just interesting to see

966
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:51,040
kind of I think

967
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,040
>> Totally.

968
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,160
>> million,

969
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:54,880
>> right?

970
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,119
>> It's a It's a maybe. Well, absolutely.

971
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,440
>> Okay, that's good feedback. I think we

972
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,320
have pretty good uh support for the

973
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,400
first concept, the street calming and the slowing down. Um, how about the

974
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,040
last idea, the marked on street parking?

975
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,800
How many hands for that one?

976
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,079
>> Most most.

977
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:14,640
>> Great.

978
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,520
>> Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.

979
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,400
All right, next area.

980
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,599
>> So, uh, Woodside Kinata Woodside Road,

981
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,680
Kinyatta Road, Mountain Home Road. This

982
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,000
is one of the kind of major arrival

983
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,599
points in the city or the town and uh it

984
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:34,320
is a slightly organic intersection. I

985
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,400
think 100 years ago it was probably a

986
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,720
lot slower and a lot easier to navigate.

987
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,560
Um but there's a lot more traffic that

988
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,160
doesn't necessarily live in Woodside,

989
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,320
but they go through this space and so

990
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,320
there's quite a bit of activity here.

991
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,119
And so looking at a a way to really

992
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,680
create a lot more visual clarity for a

993
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640
pedestrian uh for a motorist for a bike

994
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,680
or horse on where you should actually be

995
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,240
uh in this zone. So let's go through the

996
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,800
next slide.

997
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,240
So these are some of the existing

998
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,200
conditions that we have. Uh there are

999
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,040
two slip lanes. uh one uh on coming off

1000
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440
of Kenyatta Road to make a a right past

1001
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,079
Kinyatta Corners and then one coming off

1002
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,920
Mountain Hob Road making a right on the

1003
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Woodside. And those are intentionally

1004
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,480
designed to keep traffic flow going

1005
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,359
really easily. Uh but they also create

1006
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,440
somewhat of a challenge for pedestrians

1007
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,440
just you know another another road to

1008
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,599
cross and getting in and around this

1009
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,680
hub. uh the sight lines and visibility.

1010
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,760
There are times where you're making a

1011
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,680
right off Woodside Road on the Mountain

1012
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,240
Home and you may not realize that

1013
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,839
somebody's backing out of Robert's

1014
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:45,920
Grocery. So, there's some concerns with

1015
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,720
that. Um and then also there's just some

1016
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,640
traffic congestion that comes with all

1017
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,320
of these traffic movements coming

1018
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,800
together at this one spot.

1019
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,119
Uh there's a lack of crosswalks. If

1020
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,880
you're coming from um uh Gilbert's

1021
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,880
property going across over Robert's

1022
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,240
Grocery, uh there isn't a crosswalk um

1023
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,599
to the Alec Donald Park and then on over

1024
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,880
to Roberts. So you're it's just not

1025
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,200
super clear on where the safest path is

1026
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440
for pedestrians at this moment in time.

1027
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,960
So there's some opportunities, I think,

1028
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,280
to improve and make things a lot clearer

1029
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,880
for folks so that cars know what to

1030
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,040
expect and pedestrians know how to get

1031
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,480
there. Um, we did some initial com uh

1032
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,000
concepts or discuss some initial

1033
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,319
comments in our last meeting which is

1034
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,680
leave it alone. Um, minor improvements,

1035
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,400
comprehensive redesign and a roundabout.

1036
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,119
was not popular. Um,

1037
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:43,839
comprehensive redesign was. So we moved

1038
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:45,680
forward with some different ideas on how

1039
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,560
to do a comprehensive redesign. These

1040
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,720
are not complete finalized concepts by

1041
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,200
any means. These are ideas that came out

1042
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,839
of discussions with all of you and we

1043
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,359
should beat them up tonight. And

1044
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:59,040
actually some of you have provided some

1045
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,640
really really constructive helpful

1046
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040
comments in your emails already. So

1047
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,119
let's keep those going and and talk

1048
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,079
about them. So next slide.

1049
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,040
So the first one minor configuration and

1050
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
there's some optionality in this but one

1051
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,480
of the uh things that actually was very

1052
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,400
clear in the community outreach process

1053
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,079
was people were not real excited about

1054
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,880
the slip lane off of Mountain Home Road.

1055
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,720
And so as you get into that lane and

1056
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,400
make a right, you're still worried about

1057
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960
traffic coming down Woodside Road. And

1058
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,280
so by making the right turn really only

1059
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,680
happened in one spot at where Mountain

1060
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,720
Home touches Woodside Road seemed like a

1061
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,040
kind of a consensus move and the folks

1062
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,400
that we talked to. So it also opens up a

1063
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,079
lot of land because we're taking all

1064
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,599
that square footage where the slip lane

1065
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,359
was and now we get to do things with it

1066
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:49,839
that are oriented for pedestrians

1067
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:52,400
um or public space. And so what we have

1068
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,480
here on the screen, this is kind of

1069
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
option one where we leave the center

1070
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,960
line of mountain home road alone. So

1071
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,800
traveling mountain home is the same as

1072
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,680
you are today, but on either side of it,

1073
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,240
we've clarified where the pedestrians

1074
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,000
belong and where the cars belong by

1075
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,800
creating well- definfined sidewalks.

1076
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,480
There is a loss of a couple parking

1077
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,160
spaces right in front of Robert's

1078
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,319
Grocery and we put them across the

1079
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,119
street and added one. But essentially,

1080
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,599
we've also added crosswalks that now

1081
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,359
connect um an expanded basically Alec

1082
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,359
Donald Park doubled in size from about

1083
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:33,520
3,000 ft to 6,000 square ft. And we now

1084
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,040
have crosswalks that carry that

1085
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,200
pedestrian traffic along Woodside Road

1086
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,800
all the way to the corner of Robert's

1087
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,839
Grocery where they can then cross a

1088
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,319
Woodside Road over to Kinyatta Corners.

1089
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,800
So kind of a no-brainer super simple

1090
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,560
pedestrian path which is kind of what

1091
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,800
we're shooting for just to make it as

1092
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,839
easy as possible. And then if you look

1093
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,040
at where Mountain Home Road um engages

1094
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680
the parking access for Gilbert's, we've

1095
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,400
created another crosswalk there just so

1096
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,880
there's a nice pedestrian loop. Uh cars

1097
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,640
are really slowing down and we've kind

1098
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,200
of suggested even maybe considering like

1099
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,359
a cobblestone or some kind of textured

1100
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,640
paving um where the parking is to really

1101
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,440
slow down the car movement in that zone.

1102
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,720
Um this is showing reversed backend

1103
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,000
parking. It could still be 90 degree.

1104
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,599
This was just an idea we wanted to run

1105
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,240
by folks and see if it made sense. This

1106
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,760
allows folks to open up the back of

1107
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
their car directly to the store and not

1108
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800
take the cart out in the traffic. So, we

1109
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,240
thought there might be some advantages

1110
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,079
to that.

1111
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,910
Uh, yes.

1112
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,960
complaints are there

1113
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,640
>> for accident.

1114
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,319
>> How many complaints are there if any for

1115
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:51,119
accidents that would relate to all the

1116
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,560
things that you've just mentioned around

1117
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,920
the stores?

1118
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,319
>> So, in the community outreach process,

1119
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,480
people did convey that it is difficult

1120
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,040
as a pedestrian to get from one side of

1121
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:01,599
Woodside.

1122
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,520
>> No, I asked you, have there been any I

1123
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,960
should have been more clear, maybe. Has

1124
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,800
anybody ever been hurt or hit or

1125
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,400
whatever? Not that I

1126
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:15,829
>> I'll hand that to Sage. Uh,

1127
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:17,599
» hi, Melissa Cardelli, acting town

1128
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,599
manager. We asked the sheriff's office

1129
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,240
for some data for reported collisions

1130
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,319
for Woodside Road, Kinyatta Road, and

1131
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,319
Mountain Home Road uh between January

1132
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:29,920
1st, 2024 to uh yesterday, April 20th,

1133
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,000
2026. And

1134
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,680
there's 10 10 incidents.

1135
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560
>> Melissa, can you be specific? Like is it

1136
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,960
around this the store itself?

1137
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,040
>> Uh I have street names here. So I have

1138
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,599
Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road. I have

1139
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,240
an address uh 750 Mountain Home Road. I

1140
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,920
have Kinyatta Road, Woodside Road.

1141
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,000
Mountain Home Road. Mountain Home Road

1142
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,040
at Cedar Lane.

1143
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,560
>> Save your Save your breath cuz I don't

1144
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,079
know. I mean, I'm talking about the

1145
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,280
store.

1146
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,560
>> Uh

1147
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,319
>> these would not tell me if it just says

1148
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:04,880
Woodside Road and Kinyatta Road. So it's

1149
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,079
just at the intersection.

1150
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,880
>> Well, that's quite a distance.

1151
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,040
I'm just trying to be specific about how

1152
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,400
dangerous that this is. I mean, you're

1153
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,000
talking about a store that's been there

1154
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,280
a long time. I haven't really heard of

1155
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,920
many accidents there where people and it may be wonky. Maybe they're getting

1156
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,359
out and people are putting thing, you

1157
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,280
know, packing them into their car as

1158
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,119
they get in.

1159
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,119
I I don't understand. And it see it

1160
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,760
seems um that we're just assuming a lot

1161
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,000
of things and then maybe you'd be making

1162
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,560
a hit on the store to change it around.

1163
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,880
>> Well, I think I think we're trying our

1164
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,800
best. It's not that we're we're

1165
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,560
responding to the community input that

1166
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,000
pedestrian circulation could be safer.

1167
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,800
And so that's

1168
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,160
>> What do you mean it could be safer?

1169
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,079
Everything could always be safer. When

1170
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,400
you walk out of here tonight, it's been

1171
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,800
raining. It could be safer if it didn't

1172
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,359
rain.

1173
00:46:59,359 --> 00:46:59,680
>> Yeah.

1174
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,520
>> Okay. So, you have to watch out tonight

1175
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,359
everybody when you leave. We could go on

1176
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:07,119
and on and on about what's safer. But so

1177
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,960
far, we have a track history of

1178
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,680
we've lived here 60 years in this town.

1179
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,839
So, I'm just trying to think how many

1180
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,359
times have I heard of anybody getting

1181
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,920
hurt coming out of Roberts or coming out

1182
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,599
of our place or wherever. I

1183
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,920
>> I think it's a very fair discussion to

1184
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,960
have as to what level of comfort is

1185
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,240
appropriate and what the trade-offs are.

1186
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:30,640
Um,

1187
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,720
>> trade-offs. What's the trade-offs? Just

1188
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,480
changing everything downtown. Is that

1189
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,200
it?

1190
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,839
>> Uh, no. I mean, we can talk about

1191
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:40,800
trade-offs in very quantitative terms.

1192
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,720
You know, one is you pick up two

1193
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,760
crosswalks, you lose two parking spaces

1194
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,359
uh in front of the store. So, there's

1195
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,920
kind of a a quantitative way perspective

1196
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,440
to look at it there. um you know for 20

1197
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,079
years I worked in the world of retail

1198
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,640
and there's a customer perspective on it

1199
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,440
in terms of uh you know what's

1200
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,640
comfortable for um you know different

1201
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,720
people different size of groups uh

1202
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,119
people with strollers all things like

1203
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,720
that so there's there's a lot of

1204
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,440
thinking and and I just I'd love to hear

1205
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
I mean it's it's a it's a great

1206
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,359
discussion to have and that's why we're

1207
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:25,910
here tonight so yeah truly

1208
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,880
is on.

1209
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,400
>> Oh, I can't I couldn't see the red.

1210
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Okay. Oh, there it is. It was hidden.

1211
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,400
Um,

1212
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,559
I walk in this intersection very

1213
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,760
frequently and I am a huge advocate of

1214
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,720
those pedestrian crosswalks personally,

1215
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,520
but just also watching kids do it and

1216
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,440
there's a game of Frogger going on right

1217
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000
now. So, however we're going to approach

1218
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,240
this, I think those crosswalks are

1219
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,119
critical. Um,

1220
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,240
>> I also frequently drive in this small

1221
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,559
area between Mountain Home Road and

1222
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,520
Woodside Road and already the cars

1223
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,640
backing in backing out and the cars

1224
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,559
going on Woodside Road. It's It's pretty

1225
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,280
tricky. I really, while it looks elegant

1226
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,119
on the page, I can't imagine it

1227
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,200
happening from both sides. I think it

1228
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680
would be quite problematic.

1229
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,040
Um, so I would raise that concern. And

1230
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,720
um, the park looks quite cute here. I'm

1231
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,960
not sure if it would actually be

1232
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,599
utilized very much with, you know,

1233
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,040
traffic on all three sides of it. So,

1234
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,839
um, I would mention that as well, but in

1235
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:36,559
terms of the crosswalks, I think those

1236
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:37,839
are amazing.

1237
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:40,800
>> Great. Uh Troy, let's um go through the

1238
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,559
next two images really quick and then we

1239
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,960
can go back to

1240
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,960
and I guess there's one option where we

1241
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,800
could go through all three options and

1242
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,480
then do comments or but what what do you

1243
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,000
prefer

1244
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,480
>> that? Okay. So we'll go through the

1245
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,920
we'll go through this fairly quickly

1246
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,079
then and then we'll come back and we can

1247
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,319
go over each option. Uh so this uh I

1248
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:07,839
modeled it uh in the computer and

1249
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:09,280
there's a lot of gray change on this

1250
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,720
site so we'd have to be really careful

1251
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:14,000
about that. But this shows Alec Donald

1252
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,480
Park expanded to about 6,000 square ft

1253
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,160
from what it is today which is about

1254
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000
3,000. Um so definitely addressing

1255
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,240
traffic noise is important. Buffering

1256
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,520
the movement creating a nice respit from

1257
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,079
all that intensity. I think I do think

1258
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:31,680
with a good landscape designer, it's

1259
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,280
entirely possible and there's precedent

1260
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,319
for something like that. Um, but let's

1261
00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:38,400
go through the next two concepts. And

1262
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,920
the three concepts are meant to be

1263
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,079
really different to try and gather as

1264
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,160
much feedback from you as possible. This

1265
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,319
is the view kind of looking from the

1266
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:49,359
hill um towards the the park just to

1267
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:50,880
kind of give you an idea of the scale of

1268
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,839
it. So, it's quite a bit bigger. Um, so

1269
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:55,520
there's some opportunity for programming

1270
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,040
that you don't currently have for

1271
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,359
different kinds of seating environments,

1272
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,200
different kinds of vegetation and trees

1273
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,000
and things. Uh, one of the, you know,

1274
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,440
initial goals was let's create um an

1275
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680
opportunity for public gathering space

1276
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,359
in the city. So it seemed getting rid of

1277
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:13,599
the slip lane and taking advantage of

1278
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,839
some of this this dirt was a an

1279
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,599
opportunity for that. Next slide.

1280
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,480
So this concept here also is somewhat

1281
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,800
meant to be very minimal in terms of the

1282
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,559
traffic center lines for the street

1283
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,559
alignments, keeping all of that roughly

1284
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,200
the same, but creating opportunities for

1285
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,839
better crosswalk and connectivity. And

1286
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:37,040
this one takes uh an approach where the

1287
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,800
parking that was in front of Robert's

1288
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,240
Grocery Grocery gets relocated to where

1289
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,640
Alec McDonald Park was. And then the

1290
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,800
Alec McDonald Park gets relocated to

1291
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,280
directly adjacent to the front entry of

1292
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,079
Robert's Grocery. So grabbing a

1293
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:53,440
sandwich, hanging out with friends,

1294
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,760
doing stuff like that, or coming from

1295
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,520
Kiana Quarters, just crossing the

1296
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,760
crosswalk, you've got a a nice little

1297
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,000
crossroads intersection there to to

1298
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,680
gather. This plaza is about 3,000 square

1299
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,680
ft. So it's almost a direct trade for

1300
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,319
your existing Alec Donald Park, which is

1301
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,000
3,000 for this right next. It's um it is

1302
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,240
smaller than the previous concept and

1303
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,319
it'll smaller than the next concept. Um

1304
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:22,720
so this is just a quick sketch of of how

1305
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,200
that would kind of feel and scale. It's

1306
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,720
not it's not insignificant in size for a

1307
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,880
kind of a retail environment plaza.

1308
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,040
That's a not sometimes having something

1309
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,400
that's a little smaller can actually

1310
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,920
make it feel a little more bustling and

1311
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,400
vibrant. Um so that's kind of the

1312
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,480
concept there. Some of the challenges

1313
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,240
that were noted with this is now the

1314
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,240
carts are going across the street and

1315
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,760
that's kind of the big obvious one

1316
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,599
that's that's quite problematic. So, uh,

1317
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,319
next slide. And so this is a different

1318
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:55,839
view of that. Again, the the idea behind

1319
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:58,079
this scheme and the previous scheme was

1320
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,720
if we're not changing street alignments,

1321
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,160
maybe these are a little easier to

1322
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,599
implement. Um but the next one we tested

1323
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,559
that theory based on some concepts that

1324
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,760
Steve provided. Um and then Alta, our

1325
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,079
transportation consultant, took those

1326
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,079
ideas and you know kind of worked with

1327
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:17,280
some of the constraints that we

1328
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,280
revealed. And so this was a concept

1329
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
where Mountain Home Road actually curves

1330
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,520
and it basically imagining uh imagine

1331
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,319
widening the slip lane. So, we take the

1332
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:30,880
slip lane that's there, we widen it into

1333
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,720
a two-way street, and then align it with

1334
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:39,119
the uh Kinyatta uh lane intersection

1335
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,760
um in terms of creating one uh

1336
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,520
crosswalk, one, you know, simple

1337
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,920
intersection there. And then the

1338
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,079
interesting byproduct of this is you

1339
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,880
create this Alec Donald Plaza that's

1340
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,880
about 6,000 square ft. So, it's double

1341
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,440
the size of the previous one. And then

1342
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,200
you really tighten up the intersection

1343
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,040
where Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road

1344
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
come together. So now you've got just a

1345
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,000
very simple T intersection. Traffic

1346
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,240
movements are much simpler there. And

1347
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,559
the pedestrian crossing zone gets much

1348
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,480
smaller. So we were able to move the

1349
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,000
curb out and the area that says

1350
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,400
landscape um on the right side of

1351
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,359
Kinyatta Road is a substantial expansion

1352
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,559
of that that land area there. So there's

1353
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:22,480
some interesting opportunities in terms

1354
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,400
of people arriving at Kinyatta Road.

1355
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,920
there could be a really great signage

1356
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,880
moment at the park. Um the landscape

1357
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,640
area at the the other side of the

1358
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,160
street, they start to create a gateway

1359
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,640
on both sides of Woodside as you enter

1360
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,400
the uh the commercial core. And so let's

1361
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,200
go to the next slide.

1362
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,880
And so just so you kind of have an idea

1363
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,079
of how this feels in 3D, um this one

1364
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,640
here retains the pull-in parking. It's

1365
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,480
just not directly in front of the store.

1366
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,440
It's just off to the side. Um, it does

1367
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,319
introduce a se a second stop sign, a

1368
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:57,839
second intersection. So you'd have

1369
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,319
Kinyatta Road and Woodside Road and then

1370
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:02,559
you would have the Kinyatta Lane and

1371
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,480
Woodside Road intersections, both with

1372
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,319
stop signs.

1373
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,720
Uh, so this is also kind of working in

1374
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,319
conjunction with the idea that we're

1375
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,960
slowing down traffic on Woodside Road up

1376
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:19,119
to Whiskey Hill. So, and then that's the other view looking from Kin Kinyatta

1377
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,800
Road.

1378
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,960
So, these are the three options kind of

1379
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,880
next to each other. Um, concept one

1380
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,440
about 6,000 square feet. It's across the

1381
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,200
street. Uh, concept two, you've got the

1382
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,000
plaza heart up against the the Robert's

1383
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,240
Grocery, uh, but no changes to the

1384
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,640
street alignment. And then concept three

1385
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,359
is kind of a it's a major surgery where

1386
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:48,559
we reroute the road. Um, but we kind of

1387
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,559
revealed this opportunity for a large

1388
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,280
plaza directly adjacent to the grocery

1389
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,200
store and then also maintain the pool

1390
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,960
and parking.

1391
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,559
So,

1392
00:55:58,559 --> 00:55:59,599
um, yes,

1393
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,000
>> when I'm looking at this, I can't stand

1394
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,040
it. By the way, I'm thinking about this

1395
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,799
is serving

1396
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:10,000
a lot of people that don't live here and

1397
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,079
you know we this is the people that live

1398
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,640
in Woodside and to think that there'd be

1399
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,040
a big park there with people throwing

1400
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,119
their paper down and you know their

1401
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:20,880
sandwich they didn't finish eating and

1402
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,400
all that to create something like that

1403
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,160
in the middle of town. You think that's

1404
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,000
a nice thing? I I I don't I just don't I

1405
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,319
think it's stupid. Sorry.

1406
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:32,799
>> Public

1407
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:33,680
>> I'm not sorry.

1408
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,480
>> Public open space does exist in a lot of

1409
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,000
towns

1410
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,760
and and but where I'm going with this is

1411
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,359
you're absolutely right. They require a

1412
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,119
lot of care and maintenance and

1413
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,319
attention. They're not free. Uh they

1414
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,240
require a yearly budget. You have to

1415
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,880
take care of them. And there's a lot of

1416
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,680
discussion about the um and the

1417
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,000
discussion is on both sides of the coin

1418
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,760
about what their value is to the

1419
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,240
community. and how they're used by both

1420
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,400
residents and non-residents and how they

1421
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,559
either generate or don't generate

1422
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,799
business for the properties and value

1423
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:10,960
for the properties that are near it. So,

1424
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,559
I think that's what we're here tonight

1425
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,640
is to kind of hear your thoughts on

1426
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,079
those ideas. Um, and you know, there's

1427
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,160
always option zero, which is leave it

1428
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,319
exactly the way it is. Um, so let's u

1429
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:25,920
keep talking. I'll stop talking. You

1430
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,400
keep talking.

1431
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Yes, Carolyn.

1432
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,000
I would be in favor of concept one for

1433
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,640
two reasons. One is the expansion of the

1434
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,920
footprint of the park to 6,000 square

1435
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,359
feet, but also because it makes the or

1436
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:45,119
it's the only one that really separates

1437
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,079
the park from the market. And I think

1438
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,400
that in concepts two and three, while I

1439
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,200
like the idea of creating some sort of

1440
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
plaza that can be an extension of the

1441
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
market or or you know where you would go

1442
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,480
to potentially eat your sandwich, it

1443
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,880
would to me feel like it was kind of

1444
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,559
private property or it belongs to

1445
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,839
Roberts or it's maybe not as welcoming

1446
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:10,960
to others like do I have to purchase

1447
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,440
something in order to sit there? Um you

1448
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,799
know those kinds of questions that

1449
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:16,960
someone could ask themselves. And then

1450
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,200
being directly adjacent like in two and

1451
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,480
three, would Roberts then be somewhat

1452
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,240
not responsible for cleaning because we

1453
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,400
just heard what was said, but like maybe

1454
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,079
their staff looks around and they would

1455
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,680
feel compelled to do a little bit more

1456
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,599
maintenance than they otherwise would if

1457
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,799
there was the separation. Um, also with

1458
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:37,119
the larger footprint, some of the

1459
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,880
objectives the committee identified

1460
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,480
earlier like having that public

1461
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,599
gathering space, doing popups, a farmers

1462
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,160
market, that seems more conducive in

1463
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,280
concept one.

1464
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,960
>> Great. Thank you. Um, I'd like to I have

1465
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,119
a completely different attitude than

1466
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,200
both previous speakers. I think having

1467
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,079
the public space adjacent to the store

1468
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,240
is where people meet casually, coming

1469
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,920
and going. It's not I don't think this

1470
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,599
is the kind of public space where people

1471
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,440
go to for an intentional event unless

1472
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,319
it's a farmers market. But h I think it

1473
00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:10,319
would be dead unless it was next to

1474
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:12,640
where people are walking anyway. So

1475
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,559
having it next to the store is way

1476
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:18,480
better. I think um and uh I think this

1477
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,720
is the kind of space we were looking for

1478
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,799
in in two and three. on on one and two.

1479
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:27,680
I'm worried that the configuration of

1480
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,040
the intersection is just as problematic

1481
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,599
as it is now practically. Um I think

1482
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,440
it's important to move traffic through

1483
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,760
this intersection more quickly and I

1484
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,000
think simplifying it as I don't know

1485
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,240
what Alta thinks about this but my

1486
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,000
impression is that there's a lot of

1487
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,160
confusion because the the intersection

1488
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,799
is so complicated and that simplifying

1489
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,799
it would move traffic through more

1490
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,119
quickly. And I don't care that much that

1491
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,000
people have to stop multiple times like

1492
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,920
I think they should on multiple

1493
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,280
crosswalks on the entire town center.

1494
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,839
It's if we get rid of the backup the big

1495
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:06,079
backup point which is here. I think it

1496
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,119
would reduce the the the through trip

1497
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,119
even if people are going slower on the

1498
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:14,319
way. I think that's what I'm hoping for.

1499
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:17,040
>> Great. Thank you Steve Richard.

1500
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,920
>> So two comments. So one is I would argue

1501
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,960
here you have the biggest pallet

1502
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,359
available to the town given the right

1503
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:29,280
ofways. So I see a value in when we

1504
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,119
perhaps get a little bit further in

1505
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:33,839
delineating that property line between

1506
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:36,160
private and public here. It's a little

1507
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,200
bit surprising because as I said in the

1508
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,599
email that I sent out today, the one

1509
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,880
that made it into the desk items, this

1510
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,079
is a very unusual intersection with the

1511
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:51,200
town's property going through nearly all

1512
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,200
of Robert's. So you have this huge,

1513
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,760
relatively speaking, amount of land on

1514
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,359
which to work. And so it gives you the

1515
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:04,240
opportunity to control the concepts more

1516
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,480
so than almost anywhere else. So that's

1517
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,319
one comment. Second is we've heard

1518
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,359
there's a constraint on finances.

1519
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,000
There's a fair bit of improvement work

1520
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,960
here. Who pays for that? I I don't think

1521
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,040
given how long I've been here, the town

1522
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,960
is going to pay for this. This has got

1523
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,520
to be privately funded. Is it funded by

1524
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Roberts or is it funded by Roberts and

1525
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,359
private citizens who live here? I'm not

1526
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:32,559
sure either of those concepts will work

1527
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,760
here. So I think that tends to favor

1528
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,960
something like concept one despite the

1529
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,680
logic Steve laid out. So my gut feel is

1530
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,119
you're not going to find private

1531
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,920
citizens who will fund this. So and

1532
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,440
you're not going to get Roberts to fund

1533
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,680
it. So that's my gut.

1534
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,559
>> Great. Thank you, Richard Assan.

1535
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,160
>> Uh yeah, so I'm going to echo out

1536
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,920
various people. Um, I think I agree with

1537
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,079
Caroline separating the public space

1538
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,000
from the store. While Steve's

1539
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,760
functionally correct, I think from a

1540
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,440
welcoming standpoint, it's more this is

1541
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,119
a public space. It doesn't just like the

1542
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,200
confusion with the roadside trails, you

1543
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,280
have to have some separation or signs to

1544
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,559
demonstrate to people where they should

1545
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:13,520
and should not be and where they're

1546
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,280
allowed to be. So that's so for me that

1547
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:16,400
number one's the only one that does

1548
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,640
that. Um, I more crosswalks is fantastic

1549
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,040
and I think in my opinion I agree with

1550
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Steve in the sense that when you want to

1551
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,160
get traffic through here quickly because

1552
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,520
you know it's one thing on a weekday

1553
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,119
school drop off whatever but weekends

1554
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,920
everyone who's been here sunny Saturday

1555
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,640
or Sunday in June and it's back to the

1556
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,040
highway across the highway or the other

1557
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,280
way up back there you know to the the

1558
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,640
bottom of the hill. So making this as

1559
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,240
much as we want to make safe spaces

1560
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,880
pedestrians, bicyclists etc. We need to

1561
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,040
acknowledge the reality that the cars

1562
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,400
are the predominant form of

1563
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,640
transportation here. That most of them

1564
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,640
probably aren't from Woodside and we

1565
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,240
can't put a gate up on 84 and keep them

1566
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,240
out. So unless somebody wants to pose

1567
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,480
that, go ahead. Um and so we have to

1568
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,240
accommodate that to make it faster

1569
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,000
because none of us want to be stuck. Oh

1570
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,760
crap, it's stuck. It's taking me 45

1571
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,040
minutes to go home and it should take me

1572
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,880
five. Um I think keeping the slip lane

1573
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,359
on Kinyatta is extremely important. um

1574
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:12,880
you have the island so pedestrians have

1575
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,799
a safe space to kind of get to and then

1576
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:16,640
have two short crosswalks. Um I know in

1577
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:17,920
the mornings to school drop off there

1578
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,920
has to be I don't know a quarter of the

1579
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,200
kids probably live in that direction and

1580
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,880
are getting driven to school. So I think

1581
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,559
again you want to keep that slip lane.

1582
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,039
Um and again in the evenings right

1583
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:28,319
people are coming using as a cut

1584
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,880
through. So we want to keep it quick but

1585
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,960
safe for cars. I'm a supporter of one

1586
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,359
myself. Um and I will add one more. We

1587
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:37,359
have to be very cautious with the spots

1588
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,119
at the corner as they're laid out

1589
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,559
currently. I think they're fundamentally

1590
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:42,160
deficient because they block sight

1591
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,280
lines, especially if you have a truck

1592
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,119
there, you cannot see around it. So, the

1593
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:46,799
number of spots that are should be taken

1594
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:48,079
out of the corner needs to be studied

1595
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,480
and kind of logically laid out. Thank

1596
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:50,880
you.

1597
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,119
>> Great. Thank you.

1598
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:53,920
>> Yes, Lyall.

1599
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,720
>> I wanted to echo what Ean had just

1600
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,160
mentioned. Um what any solution needs to

1601
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,200
address the fact that from going

1602
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,400
eastbound on Woodside Road and looking

1603
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,520
towards the stop line um going north on

1604
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,440
Mountain Home Road there is no direct

1605
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,680
line of sight and any solution has to

1606
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,480
solve that and unfortunately it does not

1607
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,559
look like concept 2 um addresses that.

1608
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,839
Um, getting rid of the slip lane from

1609
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,480
Mountain Home onto Woodside Road is an

1610
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,520
interesting idea. Um, as a practical

1611
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,599
matter, I understand where Leanne's

1612
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,559
coming from, but right now, every day at

1613
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,640
lunchtime and especially on the

1614
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,359
weekends, there are a bunch of bikers

1615
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:42,319
that are out there on the park, which is

1616
01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:44,559
essentially a traffic island, and

1617
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,160
they're eating their sandwiches, and

1618
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,079
they're probably leaving litter. and

1619
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,160
whether we do nothing or do any of the

1620
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,000
three concepts that is still going to be

1621
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,520
happening.

1622
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,799
>> Um the one technical point uh you would

1623
01:04:56,799 --> 01:04:58,640
have to think about is if you get rid of

1624
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,760
the slip lane off of Mountain Home Road,

1625
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,119
you would need to radius the turn at the

1626
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,760
four-way stop so that a semi-tra coming

1627
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,160
out of Roberts from the back can get on

1628
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,760
to Woodside Road and get back to the

1629
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:12,640
freeway.

1630
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,280
>> Yeah, definitely.

1631
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,640
Great. Dan,

1632
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,680
>> so one of the top things I heard from

1633
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,280
our residents, you know, kind of east of um 280 is that this idea of

1634
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,880
public spaces is really important to

1635
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,799
them so they can come to town and have a

1636
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:30,400
space to hang out and if they buy a

1637
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,000
sandwich at Roberts, a place to sit and

1638
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000
eat. So that that makes me gravitate

1639
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,760
towards the one and three and I

1640
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,520
understand the arguments on both sides.

1641
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,440
The the primary for me is this idea of

1642
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,119
having public space in downtown Woods

1643
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,520
that I think is really important. I like

1644
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,280
that little parklet that you have in

1645
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,119
concept 3 across the street.

1646
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:48,319
>> The idea that you could have some you

1647
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:50,000
could even have some public art in that

1648
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,000
as a gateway into the town. I think it'

1649
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,319
be beautiful. Um Christine didn't make

1650
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:55,920
it tonight, but I think there's an

1651
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,280
opportunity or have a discussion with

1652
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,640
her aunt Leanne who are their two

1653
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,119
property owners there about what do they

1654
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,480
think because it's um for example, one

1655
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,599
of the big things that's missing in

1656
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,119
downtown is a bathroom. There's no

1657
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:08,720
restroom. There used to be one at

1658
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,559
Roberts. I think it's no longer open.

1659
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,200
So, you know, is there some deal to be

1660
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,880
done here with, hey, let's have the town

1661
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,119
provide this large patio and Christine,

1662
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:18,559
are you willing to keep it clean and

1663
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,960
provide a restroom in return? She may

1664
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,880
say, no, absolutely not. I don't know.

1665
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,400
But is there some I think you need to

1666
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,319
have a public private discussion like

1667
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:28,319
that that might guide how do you get

1668
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:29,920
funding and how do you keep it clean and

1669
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,760
all that? And same thing with Leanne.

1670
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,680
You know, we don't want to we they need

1671
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,359
to decide they want to do this. Yep.

1672
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:36,480
>> Right. So,

1673
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,720
>> don't even put me in there, but um

1674
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,480
Christine and I are pretty close.

1675
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,480
>> Yeah, totally.

1676
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:43,760
>> I don't know if she sees this better

1677
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,200
like this. Does this bring a lot more

1678
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,400
people to the store?

1679
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:52,000
>> Right now, it's it's a it's I just don't

1680
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
think it belongs here. I think there's

1681
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,520
other places that we have such a

1682
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,280
beautiful town and so many beautiful

1683
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,280
places could get a little more

1684
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,880
rather than sticking it in front of a

1685
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,440
grocery store. No. Is there like a

1686
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,240
peaceful place?

1687
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,319
>> Is there is there is there a place you

1688
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:10,480
do you have something in mind? Like do

1689
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:11,839
you have something in mind that's a

1690
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:13,119
place downtown where people could

1691
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,039
gather?

1692
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:23,829
>> No.

1693
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:27,039
it's okay. Thank you. Um my husband

1694
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:28,480
would love that if he never could hear

1695
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,599
me. Um he's sitting right there. Aha,

1696
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,200
Bill. I'm bringing this home and now

1697
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,400
you're really going to hear it.

1698
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,720
>> Um, so what did you just ask me about,

1699
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Christine?

1700
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,839
>> I No, I just asked if you had some other

1701
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:43,520
if you like the idea. You may not like

1702
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,039
the idea of a public gathering place

1703
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:46,480
somewhere downtown. Um,

1704
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,480
>> well, I love I think public gatherings

1705
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,160
are great, but I was going to say, thank

1706
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,079
you just reminded me. I thought across

1707
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,559
the street it kind of goes on in the

1708
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:55,839
middle of the place there. It's really

1709
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:57,920
kind of cool. Everybody's out there and

1710
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,119
they're safe off the street and there's

1711
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:03,680
garbage cans there to get rid of your

1712
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,000
stuff and you're buying things in the

1713
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,599
store. Hers I guess it's her it's

1714
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,480
Christine's place and the and the um I

1715
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,079
forget the name of our dear friends on

1716
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:16,080
the corner that own the uh food place.

1717
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,600
But um I I just think it's idiotic. I

1718
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,319
can't stand looking at this. Sorry. just

1719
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,279
don't seems too um like you're in

1720
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,199
another state or another country or

1721
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:30,630
something.

1722
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,400
Julia.

1723
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,000
>> Um I really do value the public space,

1724
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,279
but in thinking of what our primary goal

1725
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,799
is um and acting on behalf of our

1726
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:44,719
neighbors and the other residents of

1727
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,239
Woodside,

1728
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,719
I think the most important thing to them

1729
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:50,799
to Assan's point is moving quickly

1730
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:53,040
through this intersection. And the

1731
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,359
biggest frustration is when we are stuck

1732
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,400
at this intersection. And unfortunately,

1733
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,719
I think all three of these concepts will

1734
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:03,759
make it worse. Not having the slip lanes

1735
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:05,600
is going to be a problem. Having cars

1736
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,960
backing in, um, I can't envision that

1737
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,759
any of them would make it faster. I know

1738
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,719
that we said no to a roundabout. Given

1739
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:16,640
the choice between these three and a

1740
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,279
roundabout, I'm wondering if many people

1741
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,199
would actually say roundabout might be

1742
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,400
better. Um, and given the choice between

1743
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,960
the three of them and status quo, I'm

1744
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,120
not speaking for myself necessarily, but

1745
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,719
I do think there might be a strong

1746
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:34,080
support even of status quo because while

1747
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,679
I do value this land um in these public

1748
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:39,440
spaces, I think it would be to the

1749
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:42,880
detriment of quick moving traffic. Um,

1750
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,880
and last point, I think there was an

1751
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,960
area where we approved a gazebo or

1752
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,640
something. I don't know exactly where

1753
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,799
that is, but I think it's behind here or

1754
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,799
something. Maybe that would be a close

1755
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:56,080
but not um impacting traffic place to

1756
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,800
have uh public space.

1757
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,040
>> Great.

1758
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,280
>> Yes, Sue.

1759
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,520
>> I think one and two have not solved the

1760
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,480
problem of what Lyall mentioned, the car

1761
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,679
in front of Roberts going eastbound on

1762
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:14,640
Woodside Road at the Mountain Home. More

1763
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,640
so than not, I think people double dip.

1764
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,400
They go two at a time there. while the

1765
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,920
other three lanes are deciding who's

1766
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,360
going to go next. They're just shooting

1767
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,520
through there. So, we really need to

1768
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:28,800
solve better uh visibility there. Um

1769
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,679
con concept two may work, but you would

1770
01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:35,120
need to I think bevel or cut off that

1771
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,600
you've made the problem worse. I think

1772
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,320
concept 3 is neat, but I don't mind the

1773
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,960
slip lane at all. But then my question

1774
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,199
would be if we're now going to have to

1775
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,480
stop twice. I I must go two, four, six

1776
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,719
times a day through this intersection

1777
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:52,719
and now I'm going to stop in Kenyatta.

1778
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,199
I'm going to turn left on Woodside Road.

1779
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:56,560
I'm going to go a couple of cars.

1780
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,159
Hopefully there's no backup and stop

1781
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,719
again. So I'm not going to like that. So

1782
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:05,280
is the So tell me about that

1783
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,080
intersection at Kenyatta Lane. When I

1784
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,080
come off of Kenyatta Lane, am I only

1785
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,239
allowed to turn right or now? Is that

1786
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,159
going to be a two-way road? So, if I'm

1787
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,080
coming through Mountain Home Road, can I

1788
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,679
go through that intersection onto

1789
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:22,159
Kenyatta Lane? Maybe not. And if I'm

1790
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,960
coming down Kenyatta Lane, can I also

1791
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,440
then turn left onto Woodside Road? So,

1792
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:33,280
if I can turn left onto Woodside Road,

1793
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,960
being a resident, I know the cut

1794
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,560
through. I'm going to go down Laquesta

1795
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,199
to or turn left on Laqua right on

1796
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:43,679
Kenyatta Lane and bypass the Kenyatta

1797
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:46,560
Woodside Road altogether. So you're

1798
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,640
going to add more traffic on Kenyatta

1799
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,480
Lane if you do that. So I do not like

1800
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:54,880
the idea of stopping twice through that

1801
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,920
intersection. That's just my opinion.

1802
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:58,560
Thank you.

1803
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,679
>> Thank you, Sue.

1804
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,560
Any other comments? I was gonna thank

1805
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:05,920
you Sue for mentioning that. I think two

1806
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,520
stop signs and that much that close

1807
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,679
proximity again with the weekend traffic

1808
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:12,000
and whatnot will just potentially become

1809
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,760
an even bigger disaster which then

1810
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:14,960
defeats the purpose of getting people

1811
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,480
through there quickly. That's just my

1812
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:17,840
guess. Traffic engineer should confirm

1813
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:18,960
that.

1814
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,040
>> Great. Thank you, Richard.

1815
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,560
>> Uh so say it's concept zero leaving it

1816
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,199
at status quo. Are there changes given

1817
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,840
the town's fee title ownership changes

1818
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,840
that can be made to the parking at

1819
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,320
Roberts by the town?

1820
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,920
Jean, uh,

1821
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,679
that might be a question for you is

1822
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,400
basically does this town have any

1823
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,679
jurisdiction to take the dangerous

1824
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:50,640
parking spaces at the corner of Robert's

1825
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,719
being that they might be or they are in

1826
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,760
the public rightway and make that a

1827
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,159
safer intersection.

1828
01:12:58,159 --> 01:12:59,679
>> I'll start to answer and then I can

1829
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:01,360
defer to Lewis if he has anything to

1830
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,360
add. My understanding is that's public

1831
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,120
rightway. It's it's not owned in fee

1832
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,640
titled by the town. It's it's public

1833
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,560
right away and controlled by Calrans is

1834
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,470
my understanding.

1835
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:13,920
» And I echo that. I don't think I have

1836
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,920
any more to add. It is a public right

1837
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,719
away and um it is currently just being

1838
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:23,030
controlled by uh CALR.

1839
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,159
» So a followup, where does Calrans stop

1840
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,239
then on Mountain Home Road and where

1841
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:32,000
does the towns right away begin?

1842
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,270
Again,

1843
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,280
my understanding is that's all Calrans

1844
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,520
right of way.

1845
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,360
>> Your question is how essentially how

1846
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,120
wide is the CALR right ofway and how far

1847
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,560
down Mount home does it extend.

1848
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:45,440
>> Yeah,

1849
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,120
>> we sitting here tonight we can't answer

1850
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,800
that question, but we we can follow up

1851
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,800
and see um what we can figure out about

1852
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,239
that so we can give you specific

1853
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:52,880
measurements.

1854
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,280
>> Yeah. So my general thought is the town

1855
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,719
may have e title ownership to quite a

1856
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:01,679
bit or all of the land underneath those

1857
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,000
parking stalls. And doesn't that give

1858
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,280
perhaps leverage to the town with

1859
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,320
Roberts to perhaps convince Roberts that

1860
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,360
hey making a change or changes here to

1861
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,600
these parking stalls that are at times

1862
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,199
unsafe

1863
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:22,239
um may be wise and warranted. So again,

1864
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,480
I'm back on status quo, but maybe

1865
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,960
there's a tweak or a change that

1866
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,640
increases safety at very little cost, no

1867
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,990
cost to the town. Perhaps

1868
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,920
» one of the considerations in this

1869
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,840
concept zero, which we could add, is uh

1870
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,480
in concept one, you can actually leave

1871
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,640
the parking adjacent to Roberts as it

1872
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,640
is. you know, that's the existing street

1873
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,960
right away and you don't have to add the

1874
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,920
parking on the park, though it might

1875
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,520
serve folks that want to spend time in

1876
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,400
the park. The really qu the the big

1877
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,560
question mark I'd like to hear back from

1878
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,880
all of you on is is it important to have

1879
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,679
a crosswalk going from the corner of of

1880
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:10,640
um Alec Donald Park along Woodside over

1881
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,560
to um uh the crosswalk that leads to

1882
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,719
Kinyatta Corners across going across

1883
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:19,040
Mountain Home. Troy, do you want to just

1884
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,880
drag the cursor on it? So because this

1885
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,840
is where right now we've taken out, you

1886
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,679
know, a parking space to open up

1887
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:30,320
visibility and it also allows a

1888
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,360
crosswalk to come across there. And so

1889
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,760
that, you know, at a minimum you could

1890
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,520
leave the slip lane uh you know going uh uh making a right on the

1891
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,000
woodside. This one already still has the

1892
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,640
slip lane going on the Kinyatta. You

1893
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,440
could have the 30,000 square foot A

1894
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,000
park, but you could have a crosswalk

1895
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,040
that gets people along that frontage and

1896
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,920
then do a proper cross crosswalk at the

1897
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,159
slip lane for pedestrians so that

1898
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,600
there's clear pedestrian path from uh

1899
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,520
along Woodside Road. And that might be

1900
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,520
an option zero. Um, an alternate to

1901
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,560
option zero would be to take concept

1902
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,159
one, return the parking more status quo

1903
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:20,239
on Roberts, um, but lose the slip lane,

1904
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:22,080
lose the one slip lane. So, that would

1905
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:27,110
be another option.

1906
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,430
So, let's go to the next slide.

1907
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,400
So, uh, we've covered the first bullet.

1908
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,159
Um, show of hands. Uh which concept do

1909
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:40,320
you support? No change.

1910
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,640
>> Maybe we can say that option zero is

1911
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:43,840
>> option zero.

1912
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,920
>> Minimal. You know we were talking about

1913
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,760
>> it's not nothing but it's maybe the

1914
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,679
minimal possible change. Let's say

1915
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,120
that's the first option.

1916
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,520
>> Okay. So we could go no change option

1917
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,840
zero concept and then option one, two,

1918
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,000
and three. How's that? All right. So

1919
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,719
we'll start with Oh, go ahead, Carly.

1920
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:04,159
>> You have a question about option zero.

1921
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:05,679
Um,

1922
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:09,840
has the intersection been studied

1923
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,080
with the flow of traffic? And have they

1924
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,560
looked at how you could make it safer?

1925
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,560
Cuz I mean, I've probably gone through

1926
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,080
that intersection a billion times. My

1927
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:28,000
commute is the school to Glenwood. And I

1928
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:28,480
mean,

1929
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,120
>> so these three concepts were run through

1930
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,080
our transportation consultant, Alta.

1931
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,280
And the third option was actually kind

1932
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,960
of entirely their authorship and their

1933
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,239
aim was to increase pedestrian crossing

1934
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,760
to its safest condition possible was to

1935
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,480
bring out um to bring Kinata road in

1936
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,360
more to 90° angle so you don't have that

1937
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,239
obtuse uh angle there. So bring it in at

1938
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:59,120
a 90, tighten the pedestrian crossing as

1939
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,040
much as possible and then uh separate

1940
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,800
Mountain Home from the Kinyatta

1941
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,520
intersection so that the Mountain Home

1942
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,239
traffic which is less than the Kinyatta

1943
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:13,440
road traffic does not impact that

1944
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:16,719
Woodside Kinyatta flow. So that was kind

1945
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:19,120
of their concept on option three to

1946
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,159
smooth the transportation flow of cars

1947
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,520
through that area. So there was um you

1948
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,520
know so that that was kind of the idea

1949
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,040
but all three of these were run through

1950
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:33,120
Alta and um you know the first option

1951
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,080
really did not have much impact you know

1952
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,040
deleting the slip lane there's still um

1953
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,280
there's visibility issues with the ex

1954
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,679
the slip lane as it is today both for

1955
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,520
pedestrian conflict and for vehicle

1956
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,120
conflict because it's hard to see

1957
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,520
oncoming traffic. Um so they felt like

1958
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,280
the um option one was kind of you know

1959
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,800
not a lot even though you lose the slip

1960
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,560
lane there's not a major impact on the

1961
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,760
traffic flow. Um concept two same thing

1962
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,520
they're they they move the same for the

1963
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,960
cars. And then option three was they

1964
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,280
felt that the traffic flow at Kenyatta

1965
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,440
and Woodside would be much better

1966
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,880
offsetting the impacts at the Kinyatta

1967
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,920
Lane uh mountain home intersection. I'd

1968
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,080
be curious to see what the Mountain Home

1969
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,880
residents how they would feel taking

1970
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,880
that slip lane away. I'm sure that it

1971
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,159
keeps the flow of traffic going from

1972
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:36,790
that street to Kenyatta going, right? Um

1973
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,840
I several times a week people are

1974
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,520
blowing through that intersection, not

1975
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,280
stopping at the stop signs and it's even

1976
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,120
worse on the weekends because it's out

1977
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,199
oftowners. It's not people that are

1978
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:48,719
aware of

1979
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:49,199
>> Yeah.

1980
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:52,400
>> the 10-way stop or however many people

1981
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:56,080
are stopping at the same time. Um, and

1982
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,760
Glenn would too, like Glennwood and

1983
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Kinata. People are, my husband has

1984
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,760
multiple clips of people nearly t-boning

1985
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,280
him or other cars that are coming onto

1986
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,840
Kenyattas. So, it's just the amount of

1987
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:16,000
traffic that is increasing due to

1988
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,400
Google ways,

1989
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,400
traffic on the the freeways. It's

1990
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,360
I I appreciate all of these concepts and

1991
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,120
thank you for taking the time to make

1992
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,080
them. But living in this town and going

1993
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:32,400
through that intersection every day, all

1994
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,920
day,

1995
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,400
>> 20 times a day,

1996
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,960
I feel like personally, in my opinion,

1997
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,719
just

1998
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:45,760
concept zero, but making it safer,

1999
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,600
whatever little adjustments you need to

2000
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,640
make so people have better visibility or

2001
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,320
however,

2002
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,760
I don't know, that's I feel like would

2003
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,040
be hit. Steve

2004
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,400
>> on concept three had you show a stop

2005
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,520
sign eastbound on Woodside Road. Is that

2006
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,280
necessary? It seems like it's awfully

2007
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,040
close to the intersection whereas the

2008
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,840
other direction it doesn't seems like

2009
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,040
you could not have

2010
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,040
>> Can you go back to the plan for three

2011
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:17,679
that has all the stop stuff on it?

2012
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,239
>> So your question Steve is is the stop

2013
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:23,280
sign necessary at where Mountain Home

2014
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,120
touches Woodside?

2015
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,280
>> Exactly. the eastbound on Woodside Road.

2016
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,360
Is that stop sign necessary? Since it's

2017
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,840
so close to the intersection,

2018
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,679
seems like you have a short a short

2019
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:35,760
stacking distance there back to Kinyatta

2020
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,960
Road. Eliminating it wouldn't make it a

2021
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,560
lot more dangerous.

2022
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,000
>> Well, then I don't know how you'd get

2023
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,600
out of Mountain Home Road, right? You'd

2024
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,600
have to wait. You'd have to wait.

2025
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,440
>> You have to wait for a gap that's caused

2026
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:48,960
by people taking turns at the

2027
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,840
intersection, which is close by.

2028
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,000
>> Uh that's an interesting idea, actually.

2029
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,639
um that could be looked at, but I think

2030
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,120
that and Sue raised it too, the the

2031
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,239
movements of people on Kenyatta Lane

2032
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:03,840
would not be something we'd want to

2033
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,719
encourage with this a concept. So, if

2034
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:08,960
this were concept move forward, I think

2035
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,440
we would want to certainly we have there

2036
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,600
we have like a left or a left and right

2037
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,199
only from Mountain Home. So, you can't

2038
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,199
cut through Kinata Lane, but you might

2039
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:18,719
have to do that the other end as well.

2040
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,800
So, so hope folks wouldn't cut down

2041
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,280
Kenyatta and then take the left out. So,

2042
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,199
I think this could use a little

2043
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,040
refinement, but um there is a scenario

2044
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,719
where I could see no stop sign, I guess,

2045
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:33,199
on wood side, but um that would again be

2046
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,600
a trade-off, I think, of of throughput

2047
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,199
versus

2048
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,229
connectivity.

2049
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:40,719
» Great.

2050
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:42,000
>> Yeah, we got some more.

2051
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,159
>> Uh actually, let's hear from Steve

2052
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:47,350
Patrick.

2053
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,840
Yeah, I think everybody's comments

2054
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,880
really terrific and it's certainly

2055
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,440
changed my thought about which way to

2056
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:56,800
look at anything. It's probably coming

2057
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,800
in here. I thought option three seemed

2058
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,880
pretty good, but option three seems like

2059
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,320
it'd be a nightmare for people coming

2060
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,920
off Mountain Home Road wanting to do

2061
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,360
Kinata Road and then I think looking at

2062
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,080
option one uh the diagonal back in

2063
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,920
parking, somebody comes out of those

2064
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,520
parking spaces, how are they going to

2065
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,600
actually go back out Kinata Road? I

2066
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,800
mean, other unless you're going down it

2067
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,679
that the diagonal parking doesn't I

2068
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:24,560
think kind of work. I think probably

2069
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,520
looking at all these options I

2070
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,199
definitely think option three is really

2071
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:30,800
nice. It creates a nice park, a nice

2072
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,880
plaza, people hang out, but now we

2073
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,480
haven't addressed kind of the thing that

2074
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,960
drove probably this whole thing. We're

2075
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,440
not increasing any parking. So now we're

2076
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:41,440
going to get

2077
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,600
20 30 people. Now I love people coming

2078
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,199
in here from out of town. I mean, we

2079
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:47,600
live in a wonderful place and it's our

2080
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,800
duty to kind of make it

2081
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,800
>> you know for everybody in the community,

2082
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,199
not just woodsiders. However, where are

2083
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:57,840
these people going to park? I mean,

2084
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,760
>> we we haven't done anything to address

2085
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,480
that, right?

2086
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,199
>> So, probably looking back, probably a

2087
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:05,679
modification or option zero makes most

2088
01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:08,000
sense. Make the intersection safer.

2089
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,600
Maybe get rid of the slip lane coming

2090
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,920
off Mountain Home Road to expand the

2091
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,880
potential of um you know getting some

2092
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,800
more space.

2093
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,719
>> Um yeah, concept one uh so that that

2094
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:23,199
right turn can be made you know by a

2095
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:24,480
truck. So if you get rid of the slip

2096
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:25,920
lane I think somebody brought up you

2097
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,480
need to bring semis come out of back of

2098
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:30,000
Roberts they'd never be able to make

2099
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,040
that Uturn um unless they you know

2100
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,679
>> rub up against the north side of

2101
01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:38,080
Woodside Road. We can definitely we have

2102
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,080
the software for the truck movements and

2103
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,719
I think I've shown like a 30 foot radius

2104
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:44,639
but what you're asking is really

2105
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:47,440
interesting the parking impact of an

2106
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:50,800
attraction itself the the square

2107
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,280
>> you know the uh so what's interesting is

2108
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,880
if we took this concept here um and

2109
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,120
returned the 90°ree pool in parking

2110
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,880
which there's plenty of room to do that

2111
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,840
in front of Robert's um the parking

2112
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,800
across the street could serve the park

2113
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,880
and that's on public property,

2114
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,719
>> right? So get if you I don't want to say

2115
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:12,480
get rid of but if the slip lane

2116
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,600
disappears maybe that would give the

2117
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,600
opportunity to have basically 90°

2118
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,600
parking on both ways. the 90 degree

2119
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,800
fireground both ways and the seems that

2120
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,000
the crosswalk coming from Kinyatta Road

2121
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,120
side to the Robert side if it even was

2122
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:33,120
pushed further east I guess so that the

2123
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,920
cars actually stop closer to the

2124
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:38,639
intersection of where uh Mountain Home

2125
01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:41,280
Road intersects

2126
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,960
it kind of gets rid of a little bit of

2127
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,280
the blind spot so they're pulling up

2128
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,120
much further kind of where the mailbox

2129
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,159
is the mailbox still So you pull up. So

2130
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:52,560
the uh that crosswalk coming from the

2131
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,400
island at Kenyatta Road and Woodside

2132
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,199
Road kind of intersects much further

2133
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:59,920
east so that the cars actually stop

2134
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,760
further east. So when they look to the

2135
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,280
right, they're actually looking down um

2136
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,560
Mountain Home Road rather than a you

2137
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,080
know a cars with a blind spot.

2138
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,800
Um yeah. So yeah, that crosswalk there.

2139
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,040
Yeah, move that to there. I do think

2140
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,440
it's important to have the crosswalk on

2141
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:22,639
the south side of Woodside Road. I don't

2142
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:25,360
know who I think people can walk around

2143
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,000
to get up. They don't need a crosswalk

2144
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,199
necessarily from uh the Alex Mandala

2145
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:32,800
Park corner straight across. I mean, it

2146
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,080
doesn't get you anywhere. It gets you to

2147
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,560
the, you know, the baby Jesus thing.

2148
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:40,560
It's just not it gets you nowhere. So,

2149
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,440
Steve, the the the really neat thought

2150
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,440
that you're sharing here is taking that

2151
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,080
crosswalk over to Kinyatta Corners and

2152
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,400
shifting that to the right, you know, so

2153
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,080
that that car now where the S is is not

2154
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,840
that one, the to the left. Troy, like if

2155
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,080
we're stopping that car

2156
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:02,800
>> further. Yeah. Like right there and that

2157
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,679
crosswalk comes down. That's a huge

2158
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:08,159
improvement. That's a really beautiful

2159
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:12,400
idea. I like that a lot. Um, and then

2160
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,080
>> that wasn't my idea. That was Steve

2161
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,080
Patrick's idea. We'll call it the

2162
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,000
memorial the Steve Patrick crosswalk.

2163
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,120
Anyhow, um, but yeah. No, I think what

2164
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,280
we need to do is go back. We need to

2165
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,159
create an option zero that restores the

2166
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:32,080
90°ree parking in front of Roberts. Um,

2167
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,679
but creating a safe zone for a crosswalk

2168
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:37,840
and then rethinking the position of that

2169
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,600
crosswalk that goes over to Kinyata

2170
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,000
Corner so that the cars are coming a lot

2171
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,560
further into that mountain home view

2172
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,280
corridor. That would be really cool.

2173
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:48,400
Yeah.

2174
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,639
>> And do we really need to have two

2175
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:52,400
crosswalks there? If we only had the one

2176
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,239
crosswalk, it might enable us to push

2177
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,440
the cars further off the road.

2178
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:58,719
>> You mean uh

2179
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:00,239
>> like going through the park? We've got

2180
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:02,239
one on Woodside Road and then we've got

2181
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:04,719
one underneath the word Alec Donald

2182
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:08,000
Park. We've got two crosswalks.

2183
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,400
>> Oh. Uh the lower and the

2184
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,239
>> Oh, the two crosswalks connecting to

2185
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,960
Roberts. I see. The lower one. Um I

2186
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,880
think we need the upper one. Uh because

2187
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,480
that's going to be the primary path of

2188
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,400
traffic to Kinata Corner.

2189
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:22,800
>> Agreed.

2190
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,960
>> But the lower one is definitely

2191
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,679
optional. Um,

2192
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,199
and that would give back one more

2193
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:30,639
parking space.

2194
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:33,040
>> I think the lower one is used quite by

2195
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,040
town staff walking to the store.

2196
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,080
>> Well, and actually, so we do have a

2197
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,239
couple more things to talk about. Um,

2198
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,239
and what's interesting is these concepts

2199
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,920
can work together. And so the the shared

2200
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,600
street concept that we're going to cover

2201
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,560
in the next section which um Richard

2202
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,800
kind of turned us on to uh which is a

2203
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,719
really interesting concept could work

2204
01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:57,440
really well with the lower crosswalk. So

2205
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,320
I think there's a a process where we're

2206
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,920
going to go through a lot more steps

2207
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,199
about which ideas, you know, survive the

2208
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:08,560
next stage. And then as we see which

2209
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,679
ideas survive for each area, we're going

2210
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:13,679
to look for those pieces because this is

2211
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,520
we can pull ideas from other schemes

2212
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,400
that don't get picked and start matching

2213
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,480
the successful components to the overall

2214
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,040
vision. And so if we do end up looking

2215
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,600
at that shared street concept um that

2216
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,560
lower crosswalk might be relevant.

2217
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,560
>> Okay. So we'll go to the next se

2218
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:30,960
section.

2219
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,000
>> Quick quick vote.

2220
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:32,880
>> Oh

2221
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,159
>> yeah. So any merit in not taking a vote

2222
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:39,760
but instead directing good city company

2223
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,760
and urban field design to go back and

2224
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,880
tweak concepts zero and one and then

2225
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,400
present those two concepts to the CAC to

2226
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,880
the group ask for a quick vote back. um

2227
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,920
allowing you all to go to the town

2228
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,560
perhaps with updates on those two

2229
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,679
concepts together with perhaps concept

2230
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:06,320
two and three and the vote.

2231
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,719
>> Sure. Yeah, we could uh we don't need to

2232
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:10,320
make a movement here, a motion here or

2233
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,239
anything, but I think it sounds like the

2234
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:14,880
general agreement is for us to create a

2235
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,000
concept zero plus

2236
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,040
that does the littlest possible to

2237
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,880
enhance safety, I think is what I'm

2238
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,199
hearing. Um, but we'll keep some of

2239
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:26,960
these other ideas alive to show to

2240
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,239
council that we've had the discussion,

2241
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:31,199
but I think the group here uh is

2242
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,199
expressing a support for a new option

2243
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:35,520
that we can create and bring to council.

2244
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,080
>> I think we'll modify option one to show

2245
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,880
the 90° parking, you know, restore as

2246
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,920
much of that as possible. Um, and then

2247
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,639
have the parking and the shifted

2248
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:48,719
crosswalk that that Steve Patrick

2249
01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:51,679
brought up. And then option zero will

2250
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:54,000
just look at some minor touches perhaps

2251
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,000
moving the crosswalk as well that Steve

2252
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,040
mentioned to improve the visibility but

2253
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,600
retain the slip lane going towards

2254
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,320
Whiskey Hill off of Mountain Home. So

2255
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,360
that will be the the first option. Yeah.

2256
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,040
Or zero zero option

2257
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,040
>> like to add that the slip lane has is I

2258
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,560
mean I ride a bicycle through there

2259
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,080
quite a bit and it's really scary

2260
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,080
because cars can't see me coming. It's

2261
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,639
such a a low angle. It's super dangerous

2262
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:20,560
for bicyclists going up Woodside Road

2263
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,840
and and uh I I' I'd really love to see

2264
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,280
it gone.

2265
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,560
>> Great. Okay, let's uh jump to the next

2266
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,440
one. Troy, moving on.

2267
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,080
>> So, it's only 6:45. This is awesome.

2268
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:37,760
You're making great time.

2269
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,639
>> All right. Uh area C, Central Woodside

2270
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:44,000
Road. Um, and then so what we have here,

2271
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,960
we have a couple concepts and, uh, I'll

2272
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,840
walk through them. Uh, and let's go to

2273
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,360
the next one, Troy. So,

2274
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:54,960
when we looked at this, there were a lot

2275
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,280
of ideas in the past studies at Woodside

2276
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,320
on how to transform or formalize

2277
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,440
Woodside Road a little bit into a more

2278
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:04,960
obviously pedestrian friendly

2279
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,840
environment or perhaps even a more main

2280
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,639
street environment. Um, and so we

2281
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:12,320
discussed, you know, no change, minor

2282
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,080
improvements, new frontage road, full

2283
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,679
main street, and the the more we looked

2284
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:21,840
at it, the the big changes are really, hard. Uh, they're hard from a

2285
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,920
financial perspective, they're hard from

2286
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,560
a civil engineering perspective.

2287
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,480
And so what we've done is we've

2288
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,800
developed a concept where it would be

2289
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,000
entirely the the question is if a

2290
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,239
landowner came to the city and said um

2291
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,719
you know I'm going to provide parking on

2292
01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:42,960
my site in a different form than a

2293
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,280
pooling 90 degree parking stall off of

2294
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,320
Woodside Road. What are my options? And

2295
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,800
so in the next slide um go ahead. We

2296
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,560
looked at what would um if a landowner

2297
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,000
elected to remove that pool in parking,

2298
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,920
what could this how what would the

2299
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,040
impacts be on the overall environment?

2300
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,040
And so uh you know in this intermittent

2301
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,600
sequence where say two develop uh two

2302
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,040
land owners decide to um utilize that

2303
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,280
land for redevelopment and I think it

2304
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,280
would really these buildings have been

2305
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,520
improved upon fairly recently which

2306
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,920
Richard you pointed out. Uh so the

2307
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,080
likelihood of redevelopment you know

2308
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,600
that's a a speculative thing but in the

2309
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,159
event that one of these do in the future

2310
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:35,520
uh how would we guide that vision? Um,

2311
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,719
and is there an option where you could

2312
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:41,040
create a main street if the landowner

2313
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,000
elected to not have that pull in parking

2314
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,920
and go with the um uh public parking

2315
01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:50,000
along the curb and then provide the

2316
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,000
other parking that they need internal to

2317
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,000
their site which of course comes with

2318
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,960
costs and and all those things. Uh so

2319
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,520
let's go to the next slide.

2320
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,000
So assumptions, streetscape and pool and

2321
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,920
private parking only evolves if owner

2322
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,000
voluntary redevelops and opts into the

2323
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,320
new parallel configuration. This goes

2324
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,199
back to that very like second slide

2325
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:14,000
which talks about what options can we

2326
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,480
give the owners. And so this is if an

2327
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:18,400
owner is going to explore residential

2328
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,960
uses on the second level or a new

2329
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:22,560
development,

2330
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,480
this could be an option that we provide

2331
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,960
them, which is to reconfigure, get more

2332
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,520
land for the building and reconfigure

2333
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,080
the parking. Uh the new developments are

2334
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,080
parked to code requirements on site for

2335
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,320
parking demand. And then parking on the

2336
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,000
north side of Woodside Road can only

2337
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,400
happen if at some point the entire

2338
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,719
street's transformed and the center lane

2339
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:44,960
is no longer needed to pull into pull in

2340
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,040
parking. So there's a lot of really big

2341
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,600
ifs. And Richard wrote beautiful letter

2342
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,679
that kind of outlined in a lot of detail

2343
01:34:51,679 --> 01:34:54,960
some of the um constraints and impacts

2344
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:56,560
that a developer would have to go

2345
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,440
through in order to get to this outcome.

2346
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:01,120
Uh this is something that we kind of

2347
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,719
heard over and over again from the

2348
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:04,639
community feedback, a desire for kind of

2349
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,120
a formal main street in Woodside. I

2350
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,800
think we can share with them the

2351
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:10,400
constraints and the difficulties of

2352
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,080
that, but we can also share with them

2353
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:16,560
that it is technically difficult but

2354
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:21,600
physically possible. So, next slide.

2355
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,719
So, this assumes that each property has

2356
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:26,960
uh forgone their pull-in parking off of

2357
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,159
Woodside Road and converted to a public

2358
01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:35,840
parked uh condition. At that point, the turn lane off of Woodside Road would

2359
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,480
not be needed and you could achieve a

2360
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,679
formalized, you know, uh more regular

2361
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:45,679
main street with parallel parking, uh a

2362
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:47,840
5-ft bike lane with a three-foot buffer.

2363
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,120
So you'd have parallel parking 8 ft and

2364
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,199
then you'd have your two 12T through

2365
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:56,320
lanes and then another 8T uh and then

2366
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,560
your 7T for parallel parking and a

2367
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:04,870
pathway on the top. Uh next slide.

2368
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:07,920
And so this would be your arrival moment

2369
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,639
into town. And again, these are all

2370
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:13,040
measures to help slow and calm traffic

2371
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,239
going into the into the town.

2372
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:21,920
uh the purple boxes that implies that property has been redeveloped. It

2373
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,080
could apply to all of them, but you

2374
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,040
know, this is a very hypothetical

2375
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,320
concept and it's something that we're

2376
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,639
mostly looking to is this an option that

2377
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:34,560
you would allow a developer to pursue

2378
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,960
who owns that property and wants to

2379
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,920
change that that street parking format.

2380
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,000
And if they did, what would you ask of

2381
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,000
them in return in terms of sidewalk

2382
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,639
width, planting, and things like that?

2383
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:49,360
>> Do you have a guess

2384
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,239
if I own one of those purple boxes,

2385
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,400
>> what it's worth before and after this

2386
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,840
change? Just a rough is it is worth 2x

2387
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,440
or 4x or what does that mean?

2388
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:00,960
>> Developers get really upset when

2389
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,080
architects proclaim

2390
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,639
>> I get it, but we but this is like the

2391
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:06,719
crux but this is the crux of the matter,

2392
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:07,040
right?

2393
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,119
>> It is. And it's it's a little bit this

2394
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:12,480
is something where so uh we do do

2395
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:15,280
downtown master plans but we always work

2396
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,360
with the developer consultant on those

2397
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,920
projects to understand the economics and

2398
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,400
the feasibility of it. So this is

2399
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,920
something where that's a great question

2400
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,520
and that's an important question and

2401
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,040
Richard you've definitely asked this

2402
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:27,920
question. Um,

2403
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,040
>> yeah. So, to take an example, 2979's

2404
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,320
building is 4,000 square feet, 2,000

2405
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,560
each floor plate, and it's one of the

2406
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,480
larger buildings there. It's been

2407
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:40,639
renovated, in my opinion, to the nines.

2408
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:43,440
The exterior's been entirely re-shaved.

2409
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,639
Interiors taken to the studs, done in

2410
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:49,280
several stages, done to a very high

2411
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,040
standard. JP Morgan Chase spent

2412
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,560
threequarters of a million dollars on

2413
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,960
the improvements. We tear that all down.

2414
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,719
We write that all off and then we start

2415
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:00,960
a new. We start a new by putting parking

2416
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,840
on the lower level because we have to

2417
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,400
park the building inside the property

2418
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,960
line and we have no more parking on

2419
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,600
Woodside Road and perhaps we have less

2420
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,239
parking in the rear and perhaps we lose

2421
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,400
the handicap spot that we have for the

2422
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,520
village doctor. It's not clear. The

2423
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,920
scale here is extremely small. If you

2424
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,000
were talking about a much bigger

2425
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,760
footprint, if one entity owned all

2426
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:31,679
purple boxes and maybe the little

2427
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:33,760
building at the end and the Gilbert

2428
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,000
Center and the Pioneer, then you have

2429
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,280
scale and size and scope. And so these,

2430
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:43,440
you know, uh technically difficult,

2431
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,040
physically

2432
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,280
possible improvements can be leveraged

2433
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,320
over a much greater square footage. I

2434
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,119
have never seen anything in 45 years

2435
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:54,880
that I've been doing real estate and

2436
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,119
construction. I've never seen anything

2437
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:04,239
like this. The scale is too small. It's constrained too much. It was set in

2438
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,119
concrete almost a hundred years ago with

2439
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,600
the buildouts of these buildings and it

2440
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,199
was studied to the nines in the late 80s

2441
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:16,080
and the town and the property owners got

2442
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,080
themselves into deep trouble. We were

2443
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,920
one of the only property owners who

2444
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,000
didn't sue the town. The town had

2445
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,480
multiple cases of litigation. Had a

2446
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:27,280
recall election. The mayor moved to

2447
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,840
Seattle. It was so bad. And the vice

2448
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,119
mayor

2449
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,840
>> baited away. It's really it's really not

2450
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,400
going to work. I laid that out in 23

2451
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:37,280
points. So

2452
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,600
>> this this is where I want to stress that

2453
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,719
we're you know this is not a mandate.

2454
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:45,600
You know this is simply

2455
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,960
if a developer has the brilliant idea to

2456
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:50,560
come to the table despite all these

2457
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,719
constraints and say I actually don't

2458
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:54,560
need the pool in parking what would you

2459
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,960
want in return and what this does it

2460
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,440
outlines a method in which you could

2461
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:03,119
over time deliver a streetscape that's

2462
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,760
more conducive to a formalized u main

2463
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,080
street and that's that's really all this

2464
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,520
is and Richard I do agree that um it's

2465
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,199
really hard to pull pull anything off

2466
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:15,600
with this fine grain lot scale that

2467
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,000
exists here. Uh the only place I've seen

2468
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,159
it happen and actually they didn't have

2469
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:21,840
to rebuild the sidewalks or anything was

2470
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,400
Carmel, you know, where they've tear

2471
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,320
torn down small buildings and put back

2472
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,480
up small buildings. And I still don't

2473
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:29,840
quite understand how they made that work

2474
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,800
even there, but um that's kind of the

2475
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,800
case study for that kind of development

2476
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,080
pattern, but it's really uncommon. So,

2477
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:39,679
um, we wanted to put this out there

2478
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,440
because it was something that did come

2479
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:43,360
up with the public. And I think it's

2480
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:46,320
important to qualify the idea with what

2481
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,560
the real constraints are. And I think

2482
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,360
between your contributions and I think

2483
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,800
what we've done, we've kind of outlined

2484
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,480
uh, you know, how hard it is and but

2485
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:00,880
this is this is what it would look like

2486
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:02,880
if that development was achieved over

2487
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,719
time. So that's kind of the base of it.

2488
01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:10,560
Um the next concept is not an eitheror.

2489
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,639
This is something that could happen

2490
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:15,199
tomorrow I think. Uh so let's go to the

2491
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,040
next one.

2492
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:18,960
And so this was a really interesting

2493
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,239
idea that came from several

2494
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:23,040
stakeholders. Um we discussed it first

2495
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:26,080
with Richard and uh Troy and I were

2496
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,320
walking it tonight and we did some

2497
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,440
updated exhibits. Uh but essentially

2498
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:35,040
what this imagines is, you know, the

2499
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:39,040
back side is almost a second front side

2500
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,199
and several of the commercial buildings

2501
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:44,000
have created facades and entries that

2502
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,880
are on a quiet creek uh without any of

2503
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:48,719
the traffic noise impacts of Woodside

2504
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:52,000
Road. And it connects city hall better.

2505
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,600
Uh and it ties you all the way to

2506
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,760
Robert's Grocery. And gosh, that

2507
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:57,520
crosswalk might make sense if you get

2508
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,800
all the way over there. So this uh

2509
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,679
concept here basically hinges on I think

2510
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:06,080
a really important idea. And if you see

2511
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,040
that red line that's kind of halfway

2512
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,840
through the property that would cut off

2513
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:15,040
the through traffic circ circulation to

2514
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,280
really quiet the street to vehicular

2515
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,040
traffic.

2516
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,760
>> So that would cut it off to cars and

2517
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,320
trucks but not pedestrians and not

2518
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:24,960
bikes.

2519
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:25,600
>> Right. Yeah.

2520
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,040
>> And horses. Um

2521
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,440
>> horses. Correct. Right. Three getting

2522
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:29,679
through.

2523
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:31,520
>> So the idea is that if you eliminate the

2524
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,000
through traffic for vehicles, the only

2525
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,679
folks driving that shared street are the

2526
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:37,280
folks that happen to be parking into

2527
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,119
those spaces.

2528
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:42,000
So the cut off point though would have

2529
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,880
to be accessible for emergency vehicles

2530
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:46,960
that would need to get through. So

2531
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,600
designing that gate carefully and we're

2532
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,199
looking at it today. Maybe the gate

2533
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:53,199
angles this way. There's some different

2534
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:56,639
ways to do it. So uh Troy, let's go to

2535
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:59,119
the next slide.

2536
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:02,400
So, we took a photo uh in the upper left

2537
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,119
and then this takes that same photo, but

2538
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,760
it overlays basically a strip of

2539
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,320
cobblestones and it could be intricate

2540
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,480
or very minimal in its paving style and

2541
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:15,040
design. But it basically sends a message

2542
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,440
that through the texture uh of the

2543
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:20,800
rumble of the of the pavers um and

2544
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,960
potentially you know very slight speed

2545
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,199
tables and other traffic slowing devices

2546
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:28,960
that this zone is safe for a pedestrian

2547
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:30,639
in a comfortable place for a pedestrian

2548
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:33,360
to connect to the trail network or

2549
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,040
connect to Robert's Grocery or to

2550
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:36,719
connect to the the stores and shops at

2551
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,199
Gilbert's um and then on over to the

2552
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:43,440
Pioneer Hotel or City Hall. Uh

2553
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,400
if you go to the next slide,

2554
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,840
if you uh take the paving all the way to

2555
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,400
the buildings, it can kind of be an even

2556
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,960
more complete environment. And there are

2557
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,639
examples of these shared streets in

2558
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:59,119
Washington State, um California. There's

2559
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:01,040
places where this has been done. And

2560
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,440
then this is kind of all over Europe. Um

2561
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:05,119
but it's not without its challenges.

2562
01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:08,080
It's really important that visual uh

2563
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:10,239
cues and communication to the cars to

2564
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:13,119
look out that pedestrians come first um

2565
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,239
are crucial for for safety. One of the

2566
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,880
challenges with the businesses on this

2567
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,400
side of uh of the block is that the

2568
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,560
connectivity of the sidewalk has to

2569
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,639
navigate a lot of grade changes. So,

2570
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:28,960
it's not ADA. Uh there's steps, there's

2571
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,560
stairs, and some places you land on a

2572
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,040
sidewalk that's like a couple feet deep.

2573
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:36,400
So those things aren't really great for

2574
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,040
a prominade, but slowing the street way

2575
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:42,159
down um and and paving it with a special

2576
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:44,480
decorative paver could really tra

2577
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:47,199
transform the atmosphere and create a

2578
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:49,920
sense of place uh along this side and

2579
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:51,440
maybe it would encourage more of the

2580
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:54,480
businesses to activate that side of

2581
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:59,119
their building in response. So um next

2582
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:02,080
slide.

2583
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:03,679
So,

2584
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:05,920
uh, what are your your additional

2585
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:11,830
comments to the the concept shown?

2586
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:13,040
Richard, go for it.

2587
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,800
>> Yeah. So, I made a couple comments in

2588
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,639
the letter. If we could go back two

2589
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:20,880
slides. I would suggest that this slide

2590
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,600
be updated because the photo in the top

2591
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:26,480
left is not the actual conditions. It

2592
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:28,800
fails to show the village pub outdoor

2593
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,440
eating. And that's pretty important to

2594
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:34,159
show you've got it on the next slide,

2595
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:36,239
but you don't have it on the first. So,

2596
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:38,320
it's that consistency that's pretty

2597
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,920
important. On the first slide, 17, it

2598
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:43,760
looked to me when I looked at it and

2599
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,280
zoomed in, it looked like you were going

2600
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:50,239
diagonal parking as you got further down

2601
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:52,400
the drive lane there. I couldn't tell.

2602
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:54,480
It looked like you were contemplating

2603
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,800
only having parking on the south side.

2604
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,360
Again, I I'm just saying there's value

2605
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,639
in clarity.

2606
01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:03,679
>> We updated the So, this photo we took

2607
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:05,199
tonight

2608
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:08,480
and uh updated it with the paving down

2609
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:09,920
the center and we took this photo

2610
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,400
tonight and updated it with the paving

2611
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:13,440
down the center.

2612
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,000
>> Okay. So, these have changed since the

2613
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,360
ones we got

2614
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:19,040
>> in response to your comment, Richard.

2615
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,320
>> I see. Okay. So I I've already made the

2616
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:24,800
comment in the letter, but that handicap

2617
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,199
stall, we've spent so much time and

2618
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,000
money creating that handicap stall for

2619
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,080
the village doctor, making certain it

2620
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,840
was to the nines perfect to allow

2621
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,560
patients with mobility issues, access,

2622
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,880
ingress, and egress. So that parking

2623
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,880
along the backside there that we've got

2624
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,440
is really important to us.

2625
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:47,600
>> Thank Thank you.

2626
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:48,159
>> Okay.

2627
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:49,199
>> Could I make a

2628
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:51,920
>> Yes, Steve. Um, yeah, I I love this

2629
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,000
idea. There was a time when the book and

2630
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,080
bean the book and coffee shop was down

2631
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,000
there and and that back of those

2632
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,920
buildings at the lower level was much

2633
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:02,400
more active. And I'd love to see that

2634
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,639
restored. And it would also connect

2635
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:08,800
nicely with a if we had a really a 12-

2636
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,440
foot multi-use coming up Woodside Road

2637
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:13,280
from the school, this would be a way

2638
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,360
that people could get away from traffic

2639
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:17,199
and and walk through town.

2640
01:47:17,199 --> 01:47:20,239
>> Yep. As far as Woodside Road goes, um it

2641
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:22,159
seems to me that having parallel

2642
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:25,360
parking, you know, really loses a lot of

2643
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,520
parking spots. I think that huge expanse

2644
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,840
of asphalt on Woodside Road is a great

2645
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,159
opportunity to pit parking where we

2646
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,960
already have paving. If in the eastbound

2647
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,119
direction there was backend diagonal

2648
01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:39,840
parking, I think would be actually safer

2649
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,000
than parallel parking and you'd get a

2650
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,080
lot more cars in. And I think it's

2651
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,600
really important to restore the parking

2652
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,840
on the north side because we still have

2653
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:51,119
a deficit of parking and I'd hate to see

2654
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,360
a lot of parking interior. The parking

2655
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,840
lots I think are really destructive to

2656
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,440
pedestrian spaces.

2657
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:01,520
>> Great. Thank you, Steve. Yeah.

2658
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,199
>> Yes, Sue.

2659
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:06,400
>> I for one will miss the center turn lane

2660
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,360
like into the post office into the gas

2661
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,639
station. And I know you'll hate me, but

2662
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:15,199
I do like the cut through, especially if

2663
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,320
it's uh, you know, a weekend. So, when

2664
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,000
I'm coming down Mountain Home, I do

2665
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:21,440
sometimes I'm going to the post office,

2666
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:22,960
so I'm going to go the back way instead

2667
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,280
of sit at Mountain I mean at Whiskey

2668
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,480
Hill, wait at the stop sign to turn, I'm

2669
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:29,600
going to go the back way to the post

2670
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,360
office. But most of the time I'm using

2671
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,040
that cut through, it's because I'm

2672
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,520
really going to those particular places.

2673
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,280
I might leave the post office and go to

2674
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,000
the bank. Easier than going up Woodside

2675
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:51,990
Road.

2676
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,760
» Oh, I mean, hate me because I'm I'm

2677
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,239
going behind the buildings. I'm sorry.

2678
01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:59,040
Um I'm using the cut through behind the

2679
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:00,560
buildings that you're now going to make

2680
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,880
a pedestrian friendly.

2681
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:03,199
But

2682
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:06,080
>> well the I mean the the idea is that the

2683
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:10,480
So Troy, can you go back to the map?

2684
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:14,880
>> So the orange zone represents where cars

2685
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,520
cut through from Whiskey Hill all the

2686
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,679
way to Robert's Grocery right now on the

2687
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:20,159
screen.

2688
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:20,480
>> Correct.

2689
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,400
>> So that's the path that cars take,

2690
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:25,119
>> right? And so what this is saying is

2691
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:27,840
that and and what you're observing Sue

2692
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,440
is that we're blocking off the cut

2693
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:31,840
through traffic in order to minimize the

2694
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,080
car presence. Not eliminate it, but

2695
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,280
minimize it. But yeah, we would in in

2696
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,760
essence lose your

2697
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,320
um unofficial street that connects

2698
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:43,760
Whiskey Hill to Mountain,

2699
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,440
>> right? Because if it's the weekend and

2700
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:48,560
there's a lot of traffic or the

2701
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,239
people going to the beach, I mean,

2702
01:49:50,239 --> 01:49:52,080
Woodside Road can really get busy. If

2703
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:56,000
I'm buzzing by the mail office or the

2704
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,840
post office, I'll just go the back way

2705
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:00,560
to the bank. So, that's just a little I

2706
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:01,520
mean,

2707
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,719
>> sadly, that's not a street, Sue.

2708
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:06,960
>> Excuse me.

2709
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:08,960
>> Sadly, that's not a street. You're going

2710
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:10,880
through someone's parking lot.

2711
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:15,119
>> But it but it looks like a street.

2712
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:18,320
I I would venture to say I can't be the

2713
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,239
only one sitting here tonight that

2714
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:21,920
hasn't done that.

2715
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,000
I will freely admit I do it too, but

2716
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,159
it's still not a stream.

2717
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,639
>> So, so I know what the when what the

2718
01:50:28,639 --> 01:50:31,760
residents want for sure is a bigger

2719
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:33,840
variety of consumer oriented retail, you

2720
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:35,280
know, and these build we I feel like

2721
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,199
we're losing track of that, right? It's

2722
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:39,199
>> that's a big thing that people want is

2723
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:42,080
they want more I can go to town here and

2724
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:44,000
get the things I need and shop. So, so

2725
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,239
to me the big issue in all this is is

2726
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:47,920
from the property owner's perspective if

2727
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,080
we do either one of these and I heard

2728
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,239
you say the first one's untenable fine

2729
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,080
but I I don't think it's even worth

2730
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,440
almost not worth talking about unless

2731
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:57,520
you're like yeah I'd be happy to go add

2732
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,920
more on the shared street I can imagine

2733
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:01,440
in my building doing whatever

2734
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:04,320
improvements I need to do to have a

2735
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:06,800
yogurt shop or a yoga studio or

2736
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,239
something that's open on that that'll

2737
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,000
draw more pedestrians and draw more

2738
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,719
residents in. Right. And so that to me

2739
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:18,080
that's like the core issue of this is I think it's cool great idea as long as

2740
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,480
we're we the property owners are willing

2741
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:22,320
to build kind of some vibrancy and

2742
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:25,040
retail outlets there that'll make it a

2743
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:26,560
cool street for people to walk on.

2744
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,440
Otherwise it's like what's the point?

2745
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:35,590
That's that would be my thing.

2746
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:37,440
» Yeah. But I'm just mean it's like a lot

2747
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,360
of people really people really want

2748
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,199
that's the feedback we got was the

2749
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:42,800
residents really want to be able to go

2750
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,199
here and have another restaurant option

2751
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:46,800
and have an ice cream shop and have a

2752
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,480
yoga studio and have some more stuff

2753
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:50,880
like that that they could go visit and

2754
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:52,880
so we can get that as part of this

2755
01:51:52,880 --> 01:52:00,470
awesome.

2756
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:02,239
Yeah, but the question would be like are

2757
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:05,280
there can you reorient so there could be

2758
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,920
stores that face that like those kind of

2759
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,760
shops that face and you know one

2760
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:10,960
building's already ordered the right way

2761
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,400
but these guys in the middle would have

2762
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,880
to orient you know back towards that

2763
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:26,229
street.

2764
01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:27,520
» But but that's what I that's why I bring

2765
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,520
it up, right? It is like if that's if we

2766
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:32,239
can get that awesome cuz this cool super

2767
01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:34,800
cool idea. If we can't

2768
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:37,199
then what's the point

2769
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:40,080
isn't the

2770
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:42,000
>> So some more comments. There's been a

2771
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,760
lot said here. So this to me this back

2772
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,239
lane fits in really well with what the

2773
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:51,679
town has done since termination of the

2774
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:54,560
Woodside uh road Whiskey Hill Road

2775
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,800
Parking Assessment District. And that is

2776
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,679
when buildings came forward to redevelop

2777
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:01,920
there was a concerted effort to orient

2778
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,000
them towards the back.

2779
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,960
>> So we at our building at 2979 we opened

2780
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,639
up that lower level. So instead of the

2781
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:13,119
front that we had with book and bean it

2782
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,719
was a much more open lightfilled space

2783
01:53:16,719 --> 01:53:19,040
that attracted a concierge doctor who

2784
01:53:19,040 --> 01:53:20,800
took part of this space and then took it

2785
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,679
all. So, pretty big book of business

2786
01:53:23,679 --> 01:53:27,119
over the last 20 years plus. Um, our

2787
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,440
other building though at Millstone, it's

2788
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:33,119
a solid masonry wall. We have no way to

2789
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,360
create space there. We'd have to exit.

2790
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,840
We'd have to tear down the building. So,

2791
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,239
we added an architectural feature

2792
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:42,480
designed by Steve on the ramp. when we

2793
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:44,239
closed off the ramp at the town's

2794
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:46,159
direction. But there's a building that

2795
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,960
has, you know, a very tiny footprint,

2796
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,960
1,200 square feet with sitting on uh

2797
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,119
soil that would need to be excavated to

2798
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,520
orient it towards the rear. So I think

2799
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,199
with Village Pub, there's been a big

2800
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:02,800
change. So when the district was in

2801
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:05,520
throws, Village Pub was up on Woodside

2802
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,639
Road, an entrance restaurant overlooking

2803
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:11,599
Woodside Road. When that was sold, torn

2804
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:13,679
down and rebuilt, they put it

2805
01:54:13,679 --> 01:54:15,840
downstairs, kitchen in the back, and

2806
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,080
then they had this opportunity during

2807
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,960
COVID to put seating out back. I don't

2808
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:22,560
think much else is going to change

2809
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,360
because the Gilbert's built new on the

2810
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,840
end, east end, and they don't have the

2811
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,239
same topography that the other buildings

2812
01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:32,639
have. And then the little building in

2813
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:34,960
between ours and the village pub is

2814
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,760
very, very tiny. And it's been done to

2815
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,920
the nines more more so than anything

2816
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:41,920
we've done. I mean, he really did a

2817
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,159
great job. He's not going to redo that

2818
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:46,159
again. I mean, it's about as oriented

2819
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,320
towards the rear as possible. So, you

2820
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,239
have a limited number of buildings,

2821
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:52,560
limited footprint, and you've had this

2822
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,800
effort over 20 years when capital's been

2823
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,599
deployed to orient it towards the back.

2824
01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:59,119
>> So, final comment though.

2825
01:54:59,119 --> 01:54:59,599
>> Okay.

2826
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:04,000
>> With retail leasing, drive counts count.

2827
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,320
You don't have drive counts in Woodside.

2828
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:08,719
You never will. You have demographics.

2829
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,719
You have income levels that support

2830
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:13,040
robust retail, but you don't have drive

2831
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:14,800
counts. And drive counts matter

2832
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:16,639
everywhere in leasing in the United

2833
01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:18,880
States. And I've been at it for 45

2834
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,760
years. So, I've seen it done. It can be

2835
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,639
done. It won't be done here. It you just

2836
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:27,040
don't have the population, the density,

2837
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,119
and the drive count.

2838
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:33,360
Dan, the other agenda with this concept

2839
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:36,560
is if you cannot achieve uh the

2840
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:38,719
formalized pedestrian sidewalk that

2841
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:41,599
creates a continuity on Woodside Road,

2842
01:55:41,599 --> 01:55:44,000
can we create continuity in an area that

2843
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,560
has less friction uh you know in terms

2844
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,679
of cost? And so can you go to that first

2845
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:53,119
slide? Kind of the most minimal way to

2846
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:55,040
do this is just take the center section

2847
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:59,360
of asphalt and texture it and um try and

2848
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:02,320
take that texture all the way to where

2849
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:05,599
that you know it could optionally stop

2850
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:07,520
at the red gate and you take the

2851
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:11,119
equestrian trail behind Gilbert's or if

2852
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:13,679
you wanted to extend this and it went

2853
01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:16,159
around Gilbert's to tie into the the

2854
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,320
post office and the uses there that

2855
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,199
would be an option too to discuss. So,

2856
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:23,679
but I think, you know, this ties to the

2857
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:26,560
museum, it ties to the city hall, it

2858
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,960
ties to the village pub. There's, you

2859
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,760
know, a collection of some uses there.

2860
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,000
Uh, but the predominant agenda is really

2861
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,920
giving pedestrians like a nice place to

2862
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:43,990
walk. So, yes,

2863
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,280
picking picking up the equestrian.

2864
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,199
It would be in front of the Gilbert

2865
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:50,159
Center lean.

2866
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:51,920
>> The paving area would be the shared

2867
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:55,280
street would go around the front of

2868
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,400
Gilbert Center potentially, but where

2869
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:00,960
the red line is drawn on the map is

2870
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:03,280
where folks can pick up the equestrian

2871
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:08,000
trail and walk safely to uh Roberts and

2872
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,719
that's there today. So, it picks up on

2873
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,440
some existing trail network. Um I'm

2874
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:26,070
saying like basically you could

2875
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,520
Leanne, could you use the microphone,

2876
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,360
please?

2877
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,480
>> Fallen in to the dirt that had to be

2878
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:36,080
It's It's very deep and that's behind

2879
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:37,360
our whole building there.

2880
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:38,159
>> Yeah.

2881
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:40,560
>> And so it should be left alone because

2882
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:41,920
that's what it is.

2883
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,280
>> Yeah. this and I don't think the

2884
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,520
neighbor behind us would enjoy the fact

2885
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,920
that all of a sudden a ton of cars or

2886
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,360
people were now walking.

2887
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,760
>> No, we are not proposing any changes to

2888
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,960
that trail at all in this idea. This

2889
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,679
idea takes the concept of just changing

2890
01:57:57,679 --> 01:57:59,920
the paving surface along where the cars

2891
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,080
drive, not where they park, but where

2892
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,960
they drive to create a zone that

2893
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:08,000
pedestrians could walk along with slow

2894
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:11,599
traffic. So anyhow, just just trying to

2895
01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:13,440
clarify what we're showing.

2896
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,239
>> It's clear as mud.

2897
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:17,760
>> Two more quick comments.

2898
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:18,639
>> Okay.

2899
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:21,840
>> One is this concept really takes that

2900
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,599
back area to where it was prior to the

2901
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:28,000
town's approval of Gilbert Center. The

2902
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,599
town obligated Gilbert Center, the

2903
01:58:29,599 --> 01:58:33,440
Gilberts, to remove that retaining wall

2904
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:37,040
that then blocked traffic from exiting

2905
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:40,159
Gilbert Center and heading east. So that

2906
01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:42,080
was created at the direction of the

2907
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:44,080
town, but it didn't really matter at the

2908
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,719
time because there was a retaining wall

2909
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:49,119
behind the pub and the retaining wall

2910
01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:52,719
held traffic westbound at the pub,

2911
01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:55,760
eastbound at that west side of the pub.

2912
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,320
that was removed when the town approved

2913
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:01,520
the pub and created this throughway. And

2914
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,920
yes, at times it may be infrequently

2915
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,800
used, but at times it is really heavily

2916
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,199
used. School times in particular see a

2917
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,599
lot of cut through traffic and it is

2918
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:15,199
sometimes high-speed stuff. So we added

2919
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:17,360
speed bumps, engineered speed bumps

2920
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,199
approved by the town public works

2921
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:21,840
department after review to slow things

2922
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:23,440
down.

2923
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:25,520
Some of those vehicles are pretty heavy.

2924
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:28,000
They take those speed bumps at speed.

2925
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,560
They don't care. So, they fly over them.

2926
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,040
It is not pedestrian friendly in my

2927
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:36,080
opinion now. And so, the idea is let's

2928
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,480
make it more pedestrian friendly and put

2929
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,960
cars back on the road where they should

2930
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:41,520
be.

2931
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:43,199
>> No, I'd like to say something about

2932
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:47,119
that. We had speed bumps on our whole

2933
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:49,920
road. They've been torn up three times

2934
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:54,719
by bicyclists. wasn't new, was it?

2935
01:59:54,719 --> 01:59:56,480
Uh he would he wouldn't destroy

2936
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:59,040
property. He But anyway, that they've

2937
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,520
gotten torn up every time. So, we don't

2938
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:03,040
have them in there anymore. No more

2939
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,440
speed bumps. But nobody's speeding

2940
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,480
through Gilbert Center. Not if we caught

2941
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,080
them. If you're speeding there, did you

2942
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,119
look funny when you I said that? But u

2943
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:16,560
No. and and behind we're going to close

2944
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,560
that off because people are coming and

2945
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:20,320
they have no sight distance when they

2946
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:23,040
come from let's say up at the pub and

2947
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,239
coming down they don't see around and

2948
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:27,920
that's just how our building is built

2949
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:28,480
there.

2950
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:29,040
>> Mhm.

2951
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:32,960
>> And so it's not a good deal in the back

2952
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,280
there. I don't think you can get as many

2953
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,760
joy as much joy out of that as you

2954
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,239
think.

2955
02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:42,560
So, should I take that to mean you

2956
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:45,599
support closing that off or you do not

2957
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:46,320
support?

2958
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:47,679
>> I don't want to clo I just want to leave

2959
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:50,480
it alone the way it is. People know that

2960
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:52,960
people that walk there if they're coming

2961
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,320
where are they coming from to come down

2962
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:56,000
to the post office? We have the post

2963
02:00:56,000 --> 02:00:58,080
office right there for anybody to get on

2964
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,080
to right away.

2965
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:01,840
>> We have parking spaces.

2966
02:01:01,840 --> 02:01:05,119
>> So, here I would argue Leanne's got veto

2967
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:08,880
rights. So without Leanne in tow,

2968
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,119
>> well, why don't we take a vote on all

2969
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:13,920
the ideas and let's go from there. Um I

2970
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:15,040
think we've had some really good

2971
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:16,719
discussion, but let's just kind of lay

2972
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:18,239
out these ideas. We have a couple of

2973
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,239
ideas that are not necessarily

2974
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:21,679
contradictory. I think some of these are

2975
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:23,920
complimentary. Um but let's just do a

2976
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:28,719
quick show of hands. Um because I think Leanne's supportive of this idea

2977
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:30,639
ultimately, I think. Um but let's just

2978
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:33,599
start with the kind of the front side of

2979
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:36,800
Woodside Road. Do we support allowing

2980
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,840
basically develop properties to change

2981
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,320
their parking from the 90 degree to the

2982
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:43,920
on street parallel parking? Do we

2983
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:47,199
support that? Yes or no?

2984
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:50,960
>> Not so much. Oh. Oh, got one timid.

2985
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,480
>> You lose too much.

2986
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:57,030
>> Well, you do.

2987
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:59,199
park all but actually I was wondering

2988
02:01:59,199 --> 02:02:01,920
how do you suggest people get from

2989
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,320
parking on the north side of Woodside

2990
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:07,840
Road across Woodside Road so they could

2991
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,679
I mean if we have all these cars there

2992
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,440
because we're adding cars there Steve

2993
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:12,480
>> I I I think

2994
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:13,920
>> how are people going to run across

2995
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:15,840
>> that's that's part of the traffic coming

2996
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:17,280
I think there should be an additional

2997
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:20,639
two crosswalks here from the north side

2998
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:25,280
the the trees should be be between the cars it should be parallel on the

2999
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,440
north side and back in diagonal on the

3000
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,599
south side. If you we're not going to

3001
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:32,880
get this retail use as intensely if we

3002
02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,560
lose all this parking. I mean, I think

3003
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,199
we need it already. And and the more

3004
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:39,520
parking we can keep on the street, the

3005
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:41,119
more we're going to encourage these

3006
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:44,080
retail uses.

3007
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:48,000
Appreciate the comment. I just

3008
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,679
not I mean we're supposed to be voting

3009
02:02:49,679 --> 02:02:51,920
but I guess my other comment was I like

3010
02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,239
the whole concept of enhancing the

3011
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:56,960
walking path but realistically what's

3012
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:00,320
left I mean there's the village pub when

3013
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:03,040
we reoriented that so it faced the back

3014
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:04,719
I was actually at the meeting I remember

3015
02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:06,560
very clearly somebody told me you don't

3016
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:07,760
put the village pub downstairs we're

3017
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,199
going to go bankrupt nobody's going to

3018
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:11,679
be down there well it obviously worked

3019
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:16,560
but that space is used up the um the

3020
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,599
concier's doctor, that space is used up.

3021
02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:22,080
Richard said that concrete wall behind

3022
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:24,880
that the old Philip 66 station that's

3023
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:28,239
used up. So there aren't really too many

3024
02:03:28,239 --> 02:03:29,920
reasons people are going to be walking

3025
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:32,159
down there. Now I think your sketch is

3026
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:33,760
really beautiful. The watercolor is

3027
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,239
really nice, but who's going to walk

3028
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:38,639
down there? I mean, I don't know. Will

3029
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:41,280
cut cottage. I don't even know what's in

3030
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,040
there, but it doesn't look like that's

3031
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:44,560
going to open up for retail. You know,

3032
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,800
the thing next to the village. What's

3033
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:48,800
the your building there at the corner?

3034
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:50,239
>> Perkins office.

3035
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:51,040
>> Perkins.

3036
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,199
office. I don't

3037
02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:54,239
>> benchmark.

3038
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:56,320
>> I can't I I think, you know, as we've

3039
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:58,239
been pointed out, we're talking about

3040
02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:01,040
long-term planning and none of this has

3041
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:02,960
to happen. And we're I mean, Richard's

3042
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:04,880
building that used to be a gas station.

3043
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:07,040
I think there's an incredible potential

3044
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:10,080
there to to to have, you know, to to to

3045
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,400
keep the pedestrian pathway continuous

3046
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:14,480
on Woodside Road and to have a lot more

3047
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,560
building there on two levels, three

3048
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:19,840
levels. And and I think in the long

3049
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,080
term, we've got to make these things are

3050
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:25,440
possible, forcing anybody to do it.

3051
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:28,320
Making it possible really opens up

3052
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:29,920
opportunities.

3053
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:32,080
We should have a long-term vision that

3054
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:34,400
makes more possible.

3055
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:36,080
I think that's well said Steve. I think

3056
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:37,520
just what when we're think when we're

3057
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:38,800
here in this room today right we're

3058
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:40,159
looking at oh it's you know it's this

3059
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:41,679
business it's this business but if we

3060
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:44,320
look down in the future things can might

3061
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,400
happen someone you know might buy a

3062
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:48,800
property change over property so this is

3063
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:50,960
a little bit less about you know this

3064
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,040
exact business I can't see it changing

3065
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:55,119
over but it's a little bit taking a step

3066
02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:57,679
into the world of what could happen in

3067
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:01,840
10 years or 20 years um there are real

3068
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:03,520
constraints you guys are you know

3069
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:07,030
helpfully expressing

3070
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,360
Should we just go through the last one?

3071
02:05:09,360 --> 02:05:11,520
Uh or do you want to

3072
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:12,960
>> Yeah, maybe let's just finish out kind

3073
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:14,480
of the voting because I'm interested

3074
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:16,719
just to see where folks are in terms So,

3075
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:19,040
the first idea there was not I didn't

3076
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,040
see any hands really. Um how about

3077
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:21,599
adding

3078
02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:22,239
>> just one hand?

3079
02:05:22,239 --> 02:05:23,679
>> Yeah, just one hand. How about adding

3080
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:27,840
back parking onto Woodside Road?

3081
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:29,360
>> Oh, the north side.

3082
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:30,960
>> Yeah, on the north side of Woodside

3083
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:33,199
Road.

3084
02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:36,080
that the cost of the Senate drone line.

3085
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,239
>> That would be the tradeoff.

3086
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:40,719
>> So, we would object strongly to that and

3087
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:42,880
it's highly likely if that went through,

3088
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:46,719
we'd file suit against CalR and the town

3089
02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:48,560
guaranteed.

3090
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:52,159
We lose access, Lisbon access to 2989,

3091
02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:55,040
the Gilberts lose access in the center,

3092
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:56,400
we'd file suit.

3093
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,679
>> Okay, we'll take that as a no vote.

3094
02:05:59,679 --> 02:06:02,080
Um, no. That's that's good feedback, but

3095
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,000
>> sorry, I'm gonna I agree with you, but

3096
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,840
I'm going to object to your approach.

3097
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,080
>> He's asking for a vote. This is a public

3098
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:09,679
process with people who are selected to

3099
02:06:09,679 --> 02:06:11,840
be here. The vote should be taken.

3100
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:13,920
>> I agree with your opinion, but we can't

3101
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,440
squash the vote. So, he should take his

3102
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:15,760
vote,

3103
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,840
>> right? I agree with your comment, but I

3104
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:19,599
raised my hand for a while there while

3105
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:21,440
quite a bit of commentary was going back

3106
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:23,679
and forth over a number of topics which

3107
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:25,679
skip the center drive lane which been

3108
02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:28,320
made clear in the exhibits that if that

3109
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:30,480
goes that's the only way to get parking

3110
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:32,800
on the north side. If that goes we

3111
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:35,599
suffer damages and we won't sit back and

3112
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:39,040
allow that to happen. Period.

3113
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:40,239
So

3114
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:46,870
>> recognize that somebody has the same.

3115
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:49,440
» I'm I'm not sure that it isn't possible

3116
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:52,719
to have leftterm pockets and still have

3117
02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:55,119
parking on the north side. I'm not sure.

3118
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:58,639
You know, if we look at 11 foot lanes in

3119
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:01,280
both directions from from Whiskey Hill

3120
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,679
Road to Kings Mountain Road with with

3121
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:05,599
shared

3122
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,199
I mean if you get rid of the bike lanes,

3123
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:10,400
you got another 10 another 16 ft.

3124
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:12,800
>> Typically how cities do it is they wipe

3125
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:14,960
out the parallel parking to make room

3126
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:16,800
for the turn lane for the length of two

3127
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,440
or three cars. But I think turnets we

3128
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,440
could get the parking and get left turn

3129
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:24,159
parkets park pockets and get trees in

3130
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:25,920
the middle of the road and and I think

3131
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:27,599
with careful design all of that's

3132
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:31,199
possible. There's yeah the challenge I

3133
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:33,440
think in the interim is all the pool and

3134
02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:35,119
parking for the businesses along

3135
02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:37,199
Woodside Road are going to need that

3136
02:07:37,199 --> 02:07:40,639
turn lane only in the event that those

3137
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:45,280
properties redeveloped and we lost um uh

3138
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:49,599
the need for that uh 90° pull in parking

3139
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:52,719
off Woodside that um you know you

3140
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:54,800
wouldn't need the entire street to have

3141
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:55,840
that turn lane

3142
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,320
>> if if you had if you had a left turn

3143
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:00,719
park. If you had back in diagonal

3144
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:03,840
parking and you had turn lane, one or

3145
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,520
two turn lanes, people could make a

3146
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:09,119
Uturn and back into the parking spots.

3147
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,920
So, let's do a vote really quick. Just I

3148
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,480
mean, we still have some bandwidth in

3149
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,760
this project left to, you know, refine

3150
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:19,840
ideas, change exhibits, and work on

3151
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:21,679
things. But let's wrap up the vote

3152
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:24,079
because we still have another section uh

3153
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:27,760
to cover. So, um

3154
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:31,520
let's do a quick vote on the uh street

3155
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:33,360
>> sheriff hands for the north side

3156
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:34,400
parking.

3157
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:35,040
>> Yeah.

3158
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,079
>> And then we'll do shared street.

3159
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:41,920
>> So, real quick, if you're no on parking

3160
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:45,440
on the north side, um in the event that

3161
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:48,239
there's uh that the the turnpocket

3162
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:51,040
solution could be solved,

3163
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:53,920
uh raise your hand.

3164
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,520
You thoroughly confused us.

3165
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:56,239
>> Yeah, I didn't.

3166
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:58,400
>> It is confusing. How about we need to do

3167
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,239
an exhibit showing that you could add

3168
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:01,840
the parking on the north side with the

3169
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:02,400
turn lane.

3170
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:05,599
>> Okay. Well, let's let's assume that the

3171
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:08,159
current trade-off is the loss of the

3172
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:10,079
center turn lane. Who's in favor of

3173
02:09:10,079 --> 02:09:12,480
adding the parking on the north side? If

3174
02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:14,719
that's the case,

3175
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:16,159
>> losing the turn lane

3176
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:16,639
>> one.

3177
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:20,239
>> Okay, great. Let's as a team make an

3178
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,239
experiment and see if there are is any

3179
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:24,560
way to add

3180
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,679
both uh to do pocket turn pockets plus

3181
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:29,280
parallel parking. So we will take a look

3182
02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:31,199
at that. Um sounds like there's some

3183
02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,599
interest in that. Um okay, how about the

3184
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:36,159
shared street? How um how do we feel

3185
02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:38,239
about the backside shared street

3186
02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:40,639
concept? Who supports that?

3187
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:43,040
>> Simplicit in that cutting off being able

3188
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:44,880
to drive continuously through.

3189
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:52,550
>> Yeah.

3190
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:55,360
Great.

3191
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:57,599
>> All right.

3192
02:09:57,599 --> 02:10:00,000
And I think there's, you know, we can

3193
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,159
also talk about Dry Creek Trail um

3194
02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:03,679
improving that, but that's sort of a

3195
02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:05,360
separate idea. I think more important

3196
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:07,199
are the bigger ideas. All right. Great.

3197
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:09,360
That's good direction. And we'll take a

3198
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:12,159
closer look at the north at the at the

3199
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:15,360
road and see what is possible.

3200
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:18,239
All right, let's move on to area D,

3201
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:20,719
Whiskey Hill Road.

3202
02:10:20,719 --> 02:10:23,040
>> Great. Let's go to the next slide. So,

3203
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:26,480
the predominant issues here is as you're

3204
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:28,639
coming from the freeway entering into

3205
02:10:28,639 --> 02:10:30,960
town, a lot of folks are not slowing

3206
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:33,599
down. So, if you're on Whiskey Hill Road

3207
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:36,800
trying to to make a left turn into town,

3208
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:38,719
you're dealing with fairly high speed

3209
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,520
traffic traveling fast from the freeway

3210
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,360
and then traffic speeding up going

3211
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:47,040
towards the freeway. So, uh we looked at

3212
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:50,639
a couple concepts here to introduce uh

3213
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:52,719
kind of a controlled a way to control

3214
02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:54,560
the intersection to improve its safety

3215
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,520
for both pedestrians and and motorists.

3216
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:00,079
Uh we talked about the concepts in

3217
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:03,040
general at first uh you know no change

3218
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:05,440
crosswalk and flashers three-way stop

3219
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:08,960
sign roundabout and so the CAC was split

3220
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,079
between a crosswalk with flashers or um

3221
02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:14,239
and a three-way stop sign and then a

3222
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:17,280
roundabout was not favored. Um next

3223
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,079
slide.

3224
02:11:20,079 --> 02:11:23,920
So, this represents uh a three-way stop

3225
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:25,840
and essentially what you're seeing on

3226
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:27,599
the north side of the intersection is an

3227
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:30,719
enteron lane that goes into that

3228
02:11:30,719 --> 02:11:33,280
property uh and accesses the parking in

3229
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,440
the back through the the little tunnel

3230
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:39,360
it has. Um so, in this situation here,

3231
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:42,480
we're creating a moment where traffic

3232
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:45,119
coming from the freeway stops and it

3233
02:11:45,119 --> 02:11:47,119
will slow traffic before it heads into

3234
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:49,920
town. Uh, and it would make it a lot

3235
02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:51,760
safer and easier for folks to make a

3236
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,760
left on the Kinyatta, I'm sorry, on the

3237
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,800
Woodside Road coming from Whiskey Hill.

3238
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,239
Um, and then, uh, let's go to the next

3239
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,159
slide.

3240
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:04,159
So, this was the concept that there were

3241
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:05,920
a lot of concerns about roundabout

3242
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:11,360
safety. Um, and so it does fit um, the

3243
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,239
site, a mini roundabout. And basically a

3244
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:17,920
mini roundabout has uh uh the motorist

3245
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:20,880
is really focused on one oncoming car at

3246
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:23,360
a time. So you're you're not worried

3247
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:24,960
about two-way traffic flow. You're

3248
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,159
really just worried about one-way

3249
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:28,960
traffic flow. And so there's basically

3250
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,040
less uh you know different things to

3251
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:33,679
focus on. And there's a lot of research

3252
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:36,320
and data that shows that these modern

3253
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:39,520
roundabouts are actually a lot safer and

3254
02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:42,320
have a lot less decision points than

3255
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:45,679
both standard standard intersections and

3256
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:47,840
um older roundabout designs that weren't

3257
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:50,159
quite as pedestrian oriented. These both

3258
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:52,719
have pedestrian refuges and then they

3259
02:12:52,719 --> 02:12:54,960
neck down where the pedestrian crosses

3260
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:56,639
so they have a very short crossing

3261
02:12:56,639 --> 02:12:59,360
point. Uh, this does not require stop

3262
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:02,159
sign coming into town, but it does it

3263
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:05,280
does slow traffic and it does facilitate

3264
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:07,760
um traffic from Whiskey Hill onto

3265
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,560
Woodside in both directions easier than

3266
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:14,000
it is today. It would also visually

3267
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16,960
reduce the the amount of pavement uh

3268
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:19,119
increase the streetscape

3269
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:21,920
uh and kind of create a nice gateway

3270
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:25,199
moment into into the town. So we wanted

3271
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:28,560
to show these side by side so that um we

3272
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:30,320
could kind of compare the two. One is

3273
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:32,560
pretty straightforward and traditional

3274
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,400
uh and then the other has uh the

3275
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:36,639
roundabout concept.

3276
02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:40,960
Uh so let's go to discussion.

3277
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:42,639
Yes.

3278
02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:44,560
>> Okay. Thank you for making me first. I

3279
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:46,800
have lots of opinions on this one. This

3280
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:47,679
was actually brought to us in

3281
02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:50,079
circulation years ago and there is

3282
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:51,199
actually a solution on the table that

3283
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,040
none of these Calrans has accepted it at

3284
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:54,560
the behest of Stacy Sevil who had

3285
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:56,079
advocated for it. They just haven't

3286
02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:58,400
implemented it yet. Um I'll get to that

3287
02:13:58,400 --> 02:13:59,920
in a second. My first question is is

3288
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:03,119
that roundabout Calrance truck legal?

3289
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:06,239
Uh, so Alta designed this so that it was

3290
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:08,960
emergency vehicle and and truck legal.

3291
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:12,400
And that center 56 foot fully mountable

3292
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:15,280
truck apron is set up so that a truck

3293
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:20,079
can go over that without an impact. It's really a graphic, you know, kind of

3294
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:22,239
visual cue with a very slight rise in

3295
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:25,280
it. So you won't want to go over it, but

3296
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,040
going over it really isn't a problem at

3297
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:28,719
all. But does that mean that you know

3298
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:30,400
construction trucks, delivery trucks are

3299
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:31,599
intended to go over it because they

3300
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:33,360
can't make the regular turn?

3301
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:36,800
>> Uh it's not an obstacle for them. So if

3302
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:38,880
they have to take a tight basically

3303
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:41,599
their radius can work by going over that

3304
02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:43,920
without tipping their truck over or

3305
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:44,239
being an

3306
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:45,440
>> impediment, but that means now you're

3307
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:47,679
going to get tire marks and noise and

3308
02:14:47,679 --> 02:14:50,159
stuff. It see Okay, I'll leave that to

3309
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:52,639
Calr and design. It seems to me like it

3310
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:54,239
may not fit.

3311
02:14:54,239 --> 02:14:55,520
>> That's a technical thing. someone has

3312
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,000
the information to figure that out. So,

3313
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,320
I do not support the stop sign because

3314
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:01,599
again, more stop signs through this

3315
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:03,440
area. I don't think while again it will

3316
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:05,040
help certain safety things, it will slow

3317
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:06,880
things down and we'll all be hating

3318
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,800
ourselves on that sunny Saturday when

3319
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:11,040
traffic is backed up to the wazoo. The

3320
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,599
solution we came up with was to add a

3321
02:15:13,599 --> 02:15:16,800
two-way center turn lane right on on

3322
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:18,960
your concept one, right where it says

3323
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,199
turn lane, but it faces in towards the

3324
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:22,960
business next to the gas station. If

3325
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:24,800
you're making a left from Whiskey Hill

3326
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:26,880
towards downtown Woodside, if you could

3327
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:28,880
pull into a center turn lane pocket, you

3328
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:30,079
only have to clear one direction of

3329
02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:32,000
traffic at a time. So you make the left

3330
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,880
turn, you pause. Now you're merging with

3331
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:36,320
traffic that you should have sight lines

3332
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:38,400
on and you can see the current challenge

3333
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:40,000
is you have traffic coming from two

3334
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,800
sides up hills. You're checking both. I

3335
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:44,639
drove there today and you get stuck.

3336
02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:46,000
Yeah. The center turn lane, which

3337
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,440
currently you cannot enter from this

3338
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:49,360
direction, solves that problem with just

3339
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:51,679
paint, minimal changes, and it leaves

3340
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:53,360
the flow the same. And it doesn't have

3341
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:54,960
any of the again, I like roundabouts. I

3342
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:56,320
don't know if it'll work here.

3343
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,480
>> So officially, Calrans has accepted

3344
02:15:58,480 --> 02:15:59,840
this. Lord knows if the person who

3345
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:01,280
accepted it is still there.

3346
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,440
>> Yeah, it's a different discussion. Um,

3347
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:04,880
but to me, that was the most simple,

3348
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:07,360
elegant solution. Minimal changes, no

3349
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,280
stop signs, and it makes it easier and

3350
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:10,880
safer. I do support a crosswalk

3351
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:12,639
potentially lit actually because when

3352
02:16:12,639 --> 02:16:13,920
people go to cross there, nobody sees

3353
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:15,920
them. So, I think a flashing RFB

3354
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:17,679
crosswalk there is a great idea. The

3355
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:19,199
center turn lane to me was the simplest,

3356
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:20,880
most elegant idea. I just want to put it

3357
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:21,360
out there.

3358
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:22,400
>> Great.

3359
02:16:22,400 --> 02:16:24,320
>> Yeah, I think we should definitely add

3360
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:25,920
that.

3361
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:27,199
>> Send you guys.

3362
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:27,520
>> Great.

3363
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:29,440
>> Can I Can I ask a clarifying question?

3364
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:30,159
>> Yes, Julie.

3365
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:31,840
>> That like when we're coming from the

3366
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,319
side streets onto El Camino in certain

3367
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:36,080
places, that's the same. Okay. Yeah,

3368
02:16:36,080 --> 02:16:38,399
that's a great idea. Basically, you can

3369
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:40,880
you could pause in the middle of the

3370
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:43,519
street safely, not break a rule, and

3371
02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:45,280
then wait till essentially clear the

3372
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:46,639
next lane. So, you're doing one at a

3373
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:47,679
time.

3374
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:50,800
>> How Woodside Road works east of east of

3375
02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:52,399
280.

3376
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:54,240
>> It's like a merge lane, like a center

3377
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:55,920
merging lane, right?

3378
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:57,760
>> I actually really like the three-way

3379
02:16:57,760 --> 02:16:59,840
stop, but I think it it should I mean,

3380
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:01,920
it's is an important place to slow

3381
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,000
people down coming into town. I think we

3382
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:06,080
want to set the the tone as soon as

3383
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:07,840
people come in. But I think I would

3384
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:10,240
modify it so that Woodside Road when

3385
02:17:10,240 --> 02:17:13,359
you're westbound kind of inflex to the

3386
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:15,359
left so it gives you kind of an equal

3387
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:17,760
choice to drive down Woodside Road or

3388
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:19,679
Whiskey Hill Road. I think that would

3389
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:21,439
help divert a lot of traffic away from

3390
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:23,519
Town Center, which I think is consistent

3391
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:26,080
with the other things we're trying to to

3392
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:29,040
accomplish in this Town Center plan. And

3393
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:31,200
uh and I think, you know, a kind of

3394
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:33,599
equilateral three-way triangle here

3395
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:35,679
would be an easy intersection for people

3396
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:37,840
to navigate, but would give the clue

3397
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:39,920
that you're coming into town center and

3398
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:41,840
slow down.

3399
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,479
>> Thank you, Steve. Caroline,

3400
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,319
>> I really like this option that's just

3401
02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:48,240
been brought up or doesn't sound like

3402
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:49,599
it's new, but you know that you've

3403
02:17:49,599 --> 02:17:52,479
raised tonight to have that

3404
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:55,439
uh turn lane in the other direction or

3405
02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:57,679
bumping out so that you can safely come

3406
02:17:57,679 --> 02:18:00,319
and pause. I do that almost every day on

3407
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:03,840
Alpine Road um by Lera Oaks and and Lera

3408
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:05,439
Biancinis.

3409
02:18:05,439 --> 02:18:08,000
The concern I see as a driver in that

3410
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:10,960
area is that sometimes the runway isn't

3411
02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:13,679
long enough or doesn't feel long enough

3412
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:16,800
because you have to accelerate from a

3413
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:18,319
stop

3414
02:18:18,319 --> 02:18:21,280
and cut in in front of cars, especially

3415
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:25,439
the ones coming from 280 into town.

3416
02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:26,880
As you're coming out of the little

3417
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,679
pocket, it would feel like the runway

3418
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:32,160
would have to be long enough. and at

3419
02:18:32,160 --> 02:18:33,599
least how it's shown there with the

3420
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:36,399
entry and exit to Chevron

3421
02:18:36,399 --> 02:18:39,280
and this parking lot I guess or I guess

3422
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:41,760
that's the bank and pioneer but it

3423
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,359
doesn't seem like it's long enough and

3424
02:18:43,359 --> 02:18:45,599
that's just one concern is that like you

3425
02:18:45,599 --> 02:18:47,280
need a little bit of time to be able to

3426
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:49,439
accelerate and compete with the cars

3427
02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:51,519
coming at you from the left and then the

3428
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:54,240
ones coming from behind you to merge in

3429
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:56,559
safely and I've found that the ones on

3430
02:18:56,559 --> 02:18:58,080
Alpine

3431
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,760
by Biancini's Questa those are um really

3432
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:03,679
difficult a lot of times and it makes

3433
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:05,439
everyone slam on their brakes thinking

3434
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:08,399
someone's about to pull into the

3435
02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:09,200
traffic.

3436
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:13,910
>> Great. Thank you, Carolyn.

3437
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:17,200
» Okay, any other comments?

3438
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:19,840
>> I have one about the uh stop signs.

3439
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:21,519
We're all complaining because it's a

3440
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:23,439
long run coming up from down the hill

3441
02:19:23,439 --> 02:19:24,800
and there are many trucks in the morning

3442
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:27,280
and I drive it a lot as well. But if

3443
02:19:27,280 --> 02:19:29,599
we're stopped anyway, what about if

3444
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:31,679
there is a stop sign? It's not going to

3445
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:33,679
cause us any further delay. It's just

3446
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:35,519
going to pause us so someone else could

3447
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:38,080
get out and make the turn into the lane.

3448
02:19:38,080 --> 02:19:40,960
I don't see it as another stall.

3449
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:44,629
>> Thank you.

3450
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:47,280
Any other concepts or thoughts? Should

3451
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:51,359
we go on to the next slide?

3452
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:53,439
All right. Show of hands. Which concept

3453
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:57,760
do you support? uh son's com uh concept

3454
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,399
which he'll send to us and we'll get up

3455
02:20:00,399 --> 02:20:03,600
there uh which includes the merger uh

3456
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:06,720
turn lane. Uh do we want to see hands of

3457
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:08,560
support to what he described?

3458
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:11,120
>> Yeah.

3459
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:11,840
>> Okay.

3460
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:15,680
>> There's a three-way stop.

3461
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:18,880
>> Couple three. Great. Okay. Mini

3462
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:22,230
roundabout.

3463
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:24,880
» Okay. I actually I think it was brought

3464
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:26,479
up.

3465
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:29,359
>> I don't know if that roundabout I mean

3466
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:31,280
>> talk about semis going around that thing

3467
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:32,960
the one that has to go when they're

3468
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:35,200
going eastbound. I don't think they can

3469
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:37,520
make that turn if you put that slide up.

3470
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:39,760
>> I mean you ever drive a 60 foot long

3471
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:40,960
truck?

3472
02:20:40,960 --> 02:20:43,359
>> Uh it that it's got to go up Whiskey

3473
02:20:43,359 --> 02:20:45,840
Hill Road and then back down Woodside

3474
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:47,120
Road.

3475
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:48,720
Did they really?

3476
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:51,840
>> So, Alta um did the design of the

3477
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:53,840
roundabout. They do roundabouts all over

3478
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:57,040
the country. And we could ask them, it's

3479
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:58,880
a great question, and you won't be the

3480
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:01,439
only one who asks it. So, we could ask

3481
02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:04,080
them to add the truck movement

3482
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:08,640
simulation um and how a semi or or horse

3483
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:12,000
trailer um being pulled behind a a truck

3484
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:14,000
would would get around that. I think

3485
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:19,349
that's valid. Um,

3486
02:21:19,359 --> 02:21:24,469
okay.

3487
02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:25,680
» Julie,

3488
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:28,160
>> um, I I mean, if if I'm just looking at

3489
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,960
this in isolation, I like

3490
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:33,359
Assange's idea about the pulloff, but

3491
02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:36,720
I'm wondering if um it would be worth if

3492
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:38,880
we're considering one, maybe two

3493
02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:41,040
roundabouts. If we were gonna have two,

3494
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:42,160
I would think it would be more

3495
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,160
compelling because you get used to that

3496
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:47,280
pathway. And I know that Stanford did

3497
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,040
this and I have to think they thought

3498
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:51,280
long and hard about it. And while I

3499
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:52,880
don't intuitively like them, I'm from

3500
02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:54,399
Massachusetts, they're a nightmare

3501
02:21:54,399 --> 02:22:00,080
there. But um it works well when I'm on Stanford's

3502
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:02,000
campus and I know they're careful about

3503
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:03,760
their pedestrians and their students. So

3504
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:05,840
I wonder if it's worth like small case

3505
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:08,160
study for to educate us in this and to

3506
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,720
understand if two roundabouts might be

3507
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:12,960
our most beneficial approach even though

3508
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:16,240
we all viscerally feel negatively about

3509
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:16,720
them.

3510
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:19,359
>> I I did an overlay of of one of the

3511
02:22:19,359 --> 02:22:21,920
Stamford roundabouts on Kinata Woodside

3512
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,399
intersection and it goes pretty much

3513
02:22:24,399 --> 02:22:27,359
from from their building to the corner

3514
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:29,120
of Roberts. It just isn't enough room

3515
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:30,640
for it. They're way bigger than what

3516
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:34,640
would fit in either of these locations.

3517
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:36,479
So, one one element of this that we

3518
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,280
didn't talk about that I like is the

3519
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:41,920
whether we did the the the version zero

3520
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:43,680
or the version one is that you've

3521
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:46,479
created a better corner here across from

3522
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:49,439
the bank pioneer. Again, a potentially a

3523
02:22:49,439 --> 02:22:51,439
place for some public art or a gateway

3524
02:22:51,439 --> 02:22:54,160
to the town that could work with the

3525
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:56,960
Nissan Turn Lane as well too, right? So,

3526
02:22:56,960 --> 02:22:58,560
but the more of these things that'll

3527
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:00,240
kind of define the town center and have

3528
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:03,040
the ability to put something cool there.

3529
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:05,200
>> Yeah, I like that. That's a nice idea.

3530
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:08,080
>> Great. Thank you,

3531
02:23:08,080 --> 02:23:09,840
>> Troy. Anything else?

3532
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:13,680
>> I think that's good feedback. And let's

3533
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:17,760
move on to our last area.

3534
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:21,439
>> So, uh this is our last area. I think

3535
02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:24,479
it's a fairly short discussion. Uh this

3536
02:23:24,479 --> 02:23:26,560
is basically from Whiskey Hill out

3537
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,800
towards the freeway connecting to the

3538
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:32,640
east side. Let's go to the next slide.

3539
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:35,439
So initial feedback members highlighted

3540
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:37,520
the need to improve access from East

3541
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:39,520
Woodside by upgrading pedestrian bike

3542
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:42,640
connections and facilities. Uh cars were

3543
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,479
voted as the highest mode priority

3544
02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:49,040
followed by bicycles. Um so in the uh

3545
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:51,600
concept one that we're showing here uh

3546
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,960
you have a total width of 45 to 48 ft

3547
02:23:54,960 --> 02:24:00,720
and uh bike lane on the the side going

3548
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:03,439
out towards uh going east and then

3549
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:06,720
inboard we would have uh the multi the

3550
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:09,359
bike lane plus a multi-use pave path in

3551
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:11,840
the shoulder. Uh the challenge is that

3552
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:14,399
the street section transforms

3553
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:17,439
substantially between Whiskey Hill and

3554
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:20,080
the freeway itself. So uh there are

3555
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:22,479
varying cost implications that go with

3556
02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:24,960
creating uh pedestrian connectivity

3557
02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:28,080
along that. Um and then the second

3558
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,800
concept was to reopen the pedestrian

3559
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:33,439
tunnel under I280.

3560
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:36,240
Um is there another slide, Troy? I think

3561
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:38,640
that was just a short one. Yeah, that's

3562
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:41,680
basically it. So I think you know those

3563
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:44,319
are kind of two ideas to uh there's

3564
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:47,040
limited options in a way on on this

3565
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:49,439
stretch of road for enhancing the

3566
02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:53,040
facilities. Um but if there's interest

3567
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:58,000
in exploring the multi-use paved path um

3568
02:24:58,000 --> 02:24:59,760
you know a closer look at all those

3569
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:02,080
shoulder conditions would determine you

3570
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,319
know where does it get really expensive

3571
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:07,040
to expand that shoulder to accommodate

3572
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:08,880
that movement. Are you thinking of that

3573
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:12,399
on the on the uh south or the north side

3574
02:25:12,399 --> 02:25:12,960
of what's

3575
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:15,200
>> north? Excuse me. Excuse me. North the

3576
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:18,240
north side where the shoulder is wider

3577
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,240
>> on the north side. So the Okay. So the

3578
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:21,840
opposite of where

3579
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:22,640
>> tunnel

3580
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:23,760
>> that's that why they're talking about

3581
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:25,040
the tunnel that's over. Yeah.

3582
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:26,560
>> You could connect that up then with the

3583
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:27,040
tunnel.

3584
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:29,920
>> The path that's going from Alama to 280

3585
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,309
is on the south side, right?

3586
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:36,160
» On the other side of the freeway.

3587
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:38,560
>> Yes. So there's a So the town is getting

3588
02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:40,560
ready to install a pathway on the south

3589
02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:41,520
side of

3590
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:43,439
>> Woodside Road from the high school

3591
02:25:43,439 --> 02:25:44,960
basically to 280.

3592
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:45,600
>> Okay.

3593
02:25:45,600 --> 02:25:47,760
>> And so there would need to be a cross do

3594
02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:49,359
a cross over and then switch to the

3595
02:25:49,359 --> 02:25:50,880
north side, but just wanted to make sure

3596
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:51,760
you guys knew that.

3597
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:52,720
>> Yeah, that's a good point.

3598
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:53,359
>> Yeah, thank you.

3599
02:25:53,359 --> 02:25:55,040
>> Um and I don't know that the tunnel's

3600
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:56,399
closed.

3601
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:59,040
>> I think it's open, but it's not there's

3602
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:01,439
not great connectivity to it, but you

3603
02:26:01,439 --> 02:26:02,880
can I think you can walk through there

3604
02:26:02,880 --> 02:26:03,359
today.

3605
02:26:03,359 --> 02:26:04,960
>> Okay. Maybe it's a question of

3606
02:26:04,960 --> 02:26:07,840
enhancement and sort of rehab.

3607
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:09,280
>> The problem is it really doesn't go

3608
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:10,880
anywhere is that the the pro the

3609
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:12,479
challenge with the tunnel is there's not

3610
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:14,800
good connectivity to Woodside Heights or

3611
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:16,960
to this new path that's getting fixed.

3612
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:18,960
So if if it'd be a nice way to create

3613
02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:20,479
connectivity from Woodside Heights to

3614
02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:22,960
Town Center, I'm sorry, Woodside Hills

3615
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:24,880
with the addition of there would need to

3616
02:26:24,880 --> 02:26:27,200
be some new um access because the only

3617
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:28,399
way to get through is almost all the way

3618
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:31,120
to Barkley Park. So there's not any cut

3619
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:33,120
through currently that could get you to,

3620
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:34,640
you know, kind of the middle of Woodside

3621
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:35,920
Hills. That's that will be the challenge

3622
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:37,040
in this model.

3623
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:40,000
>> So people aren't using it currently.

3624
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:42,399
>> There's a limited limited use

3625
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:43,680
pedestrians. I don't think there's any

3626
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:45,359
equestrians anymore that use it, but

3627
02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:47,760
it's very limited because it's hard to

3628
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:50,560
get to the tunnel from Woodside Hills.

3629
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:52,000
You can either do it through Barkley

3630
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:55,439
Park or there's a fenced off alleyway

3631
02:26:55,439 --> 02:26:57,760
that's a like a P Genesis access to it

3632
02:26:57,760 --> 02:26:59,840
that's hard to squeeze through.

3633
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:02,000
And to come through Barklay Park, you

3634
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:03,520
have to go through the holes in the

3635
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:04,399
fence.

3636
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:06,319
>> Yeah. So, it's a long So, it's not great

3637
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:08,640
to It's a great idea.

3638
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:10,240
Love the idea of connectivity between

3639
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:11,840
what and the residents are would like

3640
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:13,680
connectivity under the freeway to Town

3641
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:14,319
Center,

3642
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:16,319
>> but I think it's very separate than this

3643
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:18,319
idea, which is think about a safe route

3644
02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:20,720
to school for kids going from town

3645
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:22,160
center to Woodside High,

3646
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:23,840
>> right? Which wouldn't inv you couldn't

3647
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:24,800
involve the tunnel.

3648
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:26,640
>> They're completely independent ideas.

3649
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:29,359
>> Yeah, they're two separate ideas. I I

3650
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,920
think it would be great if if the shared

3651
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,920
use path could stay on the south side,

3652
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:35,680
but the road is right up against the

3653
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:38,160
bank there. It would be if it if money

3654
02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:40,000
weren't an object, you just move the

3655
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:42,640
road over 8 ft and pit it on that side.

3656
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:44,640
But I think money probably is a huge

3657
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:47,280
object in this case. So, we're going to

3658
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:48,880
need two crosswalks to

3659
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:50,960
>> people can cross.

3660
02:27:50,960 --> 02:27:53,840
>> Okay, great.

3661
02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:56,319
All right. Any other comments on this

3662
02:27:56,319 --> 02:27:59,200
before we Yes, Sue.

3663
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:00,880
>> For me, it would be helpful to see a

3664
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:03,840
bird's eyee view of Woodside Road from

3665
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:06,560
the little store or or Kings Mountain to

3666
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:10,160
Whiskey Hill so I could see the tur the

3667
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,880
deterred lanes and you know we've seen

3668
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:14,800
in segments but see how everything

3669
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,800
continues together. Thank you.

3670
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:18,880
>> Great. Yeah, we'll definitely get there

3671
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:20,399
as soon as we start piecing the

3672
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:22,800
different ideas together. For sure.

3673
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:23,359
Um,

3674
02:28:23,359 --> 02:28:25,439
>> yeah, I think that's a great idea. That

3675
02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:26,720
could be something in the final plan

3676
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:28,479
that really paints the picture of what

3677
02:28:28,479 --> 02:28:30,080
the vision that we want to see for this

3678
02:28:30,080 --> 02:28:31,600
whole area. I think that'll

3679
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:33,359
>> the pieces will fit together a little

3680
02:28:33,359 --> 02:28:35,200
better there.

3681
02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:37,760
All right. Um, well, this is kind of all

3682
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:39,680
the ideas we put on the table tonight.

3683
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:42,319
You guys had some new ideas that um

3684
02:28:42,319 --> 02:28:44,080
we're going to add into the mix and a

3685
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:45,200
couple that we're going to kind of

3686
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,600
modify and generate new ideas. So,

3687
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:51,120
really, really helpful feedback. Um,

3688
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:54,319
thank you for that. Um, so I know we're

3689
02:28:54,319 --> 02:28:57,760
a little over time. Um, but we're just

3690
02:28:57,760 --> 02:29:00,160
going to do a quick uh housing

3691
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:02,479
discussion and then we'll move to public

3692
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:04,720
comment and closing.

3693
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:07,280
>> Um, so just quickly uh I'll choose this.

3694
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:10,000
It's fine. Um, so just quickly kind of

3695
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:12,240
pulling ourselves back over to housing.

3696
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:15,120
Um, I know we had a lot of talk about

3697
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,040
transportation at this meeting and the

3698
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:18,720
last meeting, but also housing has been

3699
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:21,359
on our agenda. Um, and so I think we're

3700
02:29:21,359 --> 02:29:23,280
aware of some of the key issues is that

3701
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:25,359
there's a lot of constraints and we were

3702
02:29:25,359 --> 02:29:26,880
talking about some of them tonight about

3703
02:29:26,880 --> 02:29:30,640
why um, properties may not de develop or

3704
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:33,600
redevelop. Um, we have small parcels, we

3705
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:35,359
have zoning, we have parking

3706
02:29:35,359 --> 02:29:37,120
requirements, other restrictions, you

3707
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:39,040
have the ballot measures which limit

3708
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:41,280
your building heights. Um, so before we

3709
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:43,520
even talk about those purple boxes, we

3710
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:45,840
would need to talk about um, building

3711
02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:47,680
heights and ballot measures. Um,

3712
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:50,000
adaptive reuse is not really currently

3713
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:53,280
allowed. Um, workforce housing is not

3714
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:56,720
really a thing. Um, and as we all know,

3715
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,880
the housing we're were here in part

3716
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:00,240
largely because the housing element

3717
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:03,200
asked us to look at housing in the town

3718
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:04,800
center and you know, we took the

3719
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:06,479
opportunity to look at parking and

3720
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,720
transportation as well. But, uh,

3721
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,399
originally housing was sort of the

3722
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:13,760
genesis for this effort. Um and you know

3723
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,319
we we went out to the community in the

3724
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,080
first sort of phase and there was a lot

3725
02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:20,720
of split opinions um kind of down the

3726
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,600
middle on housing. Um so that's where we

3727
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:27,600
are today. Um so last time we met as a

3728
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:29,520
group and we kind of ran out of time at

3729
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:32,000
the end to to talk about housing. So we

3730
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:33,120
sent you guys home with a little

3731
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:36,800
homework um and a survey and so kind of

3732
02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:39,439
just wanted to circle back on that and

3733
02:30:39,439 --> 02:30:42,000
kind of report out the results. Uh we

3734
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,080
asked you know should this group should

3735
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:46,240
housing be allowed in the town center

3736
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:49,439
and overall um you know over threearters

3737
02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:52,080
of you said yes uh for one reason or

3738
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:54,479
another. The biggest reason being the

3739
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:57,520
design of that housing um being

3740
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:59,840
important and that it's aligned with you

3741
02:30:59,840 --> 02:31:02,640
know some of the needs um workforce

3742
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:04,399
needs and other needs that we were

3743
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:06,560
talking about. Um, so just kind of

3744
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:08,880
putting that back out to the group. That

3745
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:11,520
was the consensus. Um, of course there

3746
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:14,399
are some folks who are no unsure. Um,

3747
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:16,960
but that was kind of where we landed.

3748
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:19,680
And then specifically we asked, you

3749
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:21,359
know, okay, yes, housing, well, what

3750
02:31:21,359 --> 02:31:25,520
does that mean to you? Um, and generally

3751
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:28,319
most folks fell in the twostory range

3752
02:31:28,319 --> 02:31:31,439
being what felt right. Few folks said,

3753
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:33,920
you know, keep it lower and a few folks

3754
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:35,840
said keep it go higher to go three

3755
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:40,319
stories. Um but there was generally um

3756
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:42,720
not interest in in larger scale

3757
02:31:42,720 --> 02:31:45,280
developments and there was some other

3758
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:46,640
comments about you know how it's

3759
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,240
important that we'll need to provide

3760
02:31:48,240 --> 02:31:52,319
parking um for for new housing.

3761
02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:55,120
So um that was the feedback we received

3762
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:56,720
and now this chart is just I'll just

3763
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:58,319
summarize it briefly but I just wanted

3764
02:31:58,319 --> 02:32:00,399
to kind of convey that as you know we've

3765
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:02,479
been talking here a lot of these ideas

3766
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:05,520
are are longer term concepts and

3767
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:07,840
policies that will ultimately result in

3768
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,800
something but this plan itself does not

3769
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:13,120
build housing per se or build a new road

3770
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:14,640
per se but we're going to go through

3771
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:17,120
this process we'll have these meetings

3772
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,680
we'll go through a sequel process we'll

3773
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:21,840
adopt the plan which which will contain

3774
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:24,560
policy statements and then those could

3775
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:26,319
result in the first step being

3776
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:28,560
potentially a ballot measure to change

3777
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:30,479
some of the current ballot measures in

3778
02:32:30,479 --> 02:32:33,359
place. Um that would be a prerequisite

3779
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:34,720
for certain types of housing

3780
02:32:34,720 --> 02:32:37,040
development. There are also options that

3781
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:39,520
could proceed with just zoning action by

3782
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:42,479
staff or council. um that wouldn't

3783
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:44,080
necessarily require ballot measures, but

3784
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:45,520
you could have a ballot measure followed

3785
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,840
by a zoning change and then that would

3786
02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:50,319
result in either the private property

3787
02:32:50,319 --> 02:32:52,560
owner choosing voluntarily of their own

3788
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:55,359
desire to redevelop under a new zoning

3789
02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:58,000
regime or in the case of if it's a

3790
02:32:58,000 --> 02:32:59,439
public property like the village hill,

3791
02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:01,280
the town would you partner with a

3792
02:33:01,280 --> 02:33:03,520
developer. Um, but just to lay out kind

3793
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:05,359
of the steps here that starts with

3794
02:33:05,359 --> 02:33:07,439
policy, it goes potentially to the

3795
02:33:07,439 --> 02:33:10,319
ballot box, then it goes to zoning

3796
02:33:10,319 --> 02:33:12,720
changes, and then we see development

3797
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:15,600
itself. So, we're a few steps removed um

3798
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:18,160
from that. Uh, but with that, I just

3799
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:19,760
wanted to give ourselves a little bit

3800
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:21,280
more space and time to talk about

3801
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:23,840
housing. Um, if there's any additional

3802
02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:26,240
feedback that you particularly would

3803
02:33:26,240 --> 02:33:28,720
like for us to convey to the council as

3804
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:31,359
we go next week, um, now is the time to

3805
02:33:31,359 --> 02:33:34,720
share it with us. Um, so I'll just open

3806
02:33:34,720 --> 02:33:39,590
the floor there.

3807
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:41,840
» Yeah. So, a bunch of comments. I think

3808
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:46,319
it would be wise as the town to focus uh

3809
02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:50,399
particular attention on parcels the town

3810
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:53,760
controls. The town holds fee title to

3811
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:56,319
whether that's village hill or it's the

3812
02:33:56,319 --> 02:33:59,840
parcel adjoining town hall. I I would

3813
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:02,640
prioritize those. I think those have the

3814
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:06,560
most potential where the town staff has

3815
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:09,840
full power. No incentives are needed.

3816
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:13,840
the town could perhaps contribute some

3817
02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:16,800
part or all of that land to a developer,

3818
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:20,319
allowing that developer to step in and

3819
02:34:20,319 --> 02:34:22,960
presumably as a nonprofit fund the

3820
02:34:22,960 --> 02:34:26,080
buildout of housing. Uh it eliminates

3821
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:28,160
the third party. It eliminates a third

3822
02:34:28,160 --> 02:34:31,600
party uh private property owner. I'm not

3823
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:33,200
saying it can't be done on private

3824
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:35,840
property, but again, Town Center is

3825
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:39,280
very, very small, relatively small with

3826
02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:41,760
a number of parcels that are extremely

3827
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:44,800
small. And today, we haven't focused on

3828
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,800
the bigger parcels owned by private

3829
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:48,800
property, presumably because they've

3830
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:51,120
gone through the same process others

3831
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:52,319
have gone through. They've already been

3832
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:55,520
built out. They're already occupied. Um,

3833
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:57,920
there's likely going to be no change. So

3834
02:34:57,920 --> 02:35:00,479
that tells me if I'm the town, it's wise

3835
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:02,800
to focus on those parcels where I have

3836
02:35:02,800 --> 02:35:04,960
control and in town center there are two

3837
02:35:04,960 --> 02:35:08,000
of them. Uh second is at the beginning

3838
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:09,920
of the meeting we talked about Sage

3839
02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:12,960
talked about policy setting policy and

3840
02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:15,520
yet I don't see that on this final

3841
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:18,800
slide. So my idea would be it may be

3842
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:21,760
wise to add something in here about

3843
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:24,880
policy. Maybe that's a separate line, a

3844
02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:28,160
separate option. Option four, step one.

3845
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:31,200
I don't know, but you may want to flush

3846
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:36,000
that all out. Oh, okay. So, yeah. So, I

3847
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,560
haven't seen this. So, the earlier ones,

3848
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:41,920
okay, council approves zoning changes.

3849
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:44,800
Okay. But I still don't see policy

3850
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:48,479
updates. I see zoning changes in option

3851
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:50,720
three and four. So my idea would be to

3852
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:52,479
add a fifth option.

3853
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:53,280
>> Sure.

3854
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:53,920
>> Good point.

3855
02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:57,600
>> Final item. What's going to town council

3856
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:00,399
and when is it going? Is it a does it

3857
02:36:00,399 --> 02:36:03,040
require a staff report by good city

3858
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:05,840
company? A staff report by Sage and O

3859
02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:09,280
overview by stage and Sage. And when

3860
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:11,520
does that go out? When does the public

3861
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:12,399
see it?

3862
02:36:12,399 --> 02:36:13,840
>> Are you asking about next week's

3863
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:15,520
meeting? Yeah. And staff, do you want to

3864
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:19,200
or do you want me to take that?

3865
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,680
So the staff report will be worked on uh

3866
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:25,040
I believe between Good City and the and

3867
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:27,040
uh Sage we will have a combined staff

3868
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,359
report and the agenda packet will go out

3869
02:36:29,359 --> 02:36:31,760
no later than this Friday and the

3870
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,439
meeting is on Tuesday, April 28th at 7

3871
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:36,319
p.m.

3872
02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:44,710
>> Great. Thanks.

3873
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:47,280
Um, I apologize if we've seen this in

3874
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:50,319
the past, but I think it's hard to say

3875
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:52,640
yes or no without having a sense of the

3876
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:56,319
magnitude. I can't remember how many um

3877
02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:58,720
units the town has to build, how many

3878
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:00,640
they have agreed upon in different

3879
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:02,319
places, whether those are still moving

3880
02:37:02,319 --> 02:37:05,520
forward or not. Are we talking five or

3881
02:37:05,520 --> 02:37:08,800
100 units in town? Um, I think that's

3882
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:11,040
all really important context. Uh,

3883
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:12,720
because yeah, maybe some two-story

3884
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:14,319
buildings to have a few apartments is

3885
02:37:14,319 --> 02:37:17,520
one thing, but you know, it it really it

3886
02:37:17,520 --> 02:37:20,479
really changes depending on um that

3887
02:37:20,479 --> 02:37:22,560
order of magnitude.

3888
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:25,600
And um

3889
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:27,920
when you get to some of the public

3890
02:37:27,920 --> 02:37:30,240
spaces, I think that we also have to

3891
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:32,319
think about the trade-offs that we've

3892
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:34,880
been talking about in terms of keeping

3893
02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:37,120
Woodside rustic and having gathering

3894
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:39,280
spaces and protecting our trails and our

3895
02:37:39,280 --> 02:37:42,800
equestrian areas. Um, I live close to

3896
02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:44,800
Village Hill and I know that all of the

3897
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:47,600
neighbors in that area and those around

3898
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:50,000
Mountain Home would feel, you know,

3899
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,640
really wronged in so many ways if there

3900
02:37:52,640 --> 02:37:55,200
were to be development there, never mind

3901
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:57,200
what it would do to the character of our

3902
02:37:57,200 --> 02:38:03,030
town to lose that area with the horses.

3903
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:05,520
So quick ad, I agree with that statement

3904
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:07,840
in full and I think it ties back to the

3905
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:10,000
statement I made at the very first

3906
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:12,720
meeting. The town has the best

3907
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:15,200
affordable housing site available to it.

3908
02:38:15,200 --> 02:38:17,760
It's at Kinyatta College. The state

3909
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:20,960
really needs to step in here and satisfy

3910
02:38:20,960 --> 02:38:24,560
that requirement itself. Utilities are

3911
02:38:24,560 --> 02:38:26,960
there, storm drains are there, sewers

3912
02:38:26,960 --> 02:38:30,000
are there, water, electric, power, it's

3913
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:33,200
all set to go. You have all those

3914
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:35,200
engineering constraints. Again,

3915
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:37,600
technically possible

3916
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:40,160
but difficult.

3917
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:43,280
Uh you have it all in place there. So it

3918
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:45,040
almost seems to me like the best

3919
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,680
solution perhaps in parallel is a

3920
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:50,640
political solution behind closed doors

3921
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:53,520
with the state to trade something for

3922
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:56,000
the state to step in and take that land

3923
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:00,800
and use it. It's gorgeous. affordable

3924
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,479
housing up there would make so much

3925
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:05,200
sense and change the requirement to

3926
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:07,760
accommodate a town like Woodside that is

3927
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:09,920
very unique with parcels that are

3928
02:39:09,920 --> 02:39:13,280
predominantly built out, highly rural,

3929
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:15,680
hardly any commercial to its detriment.

3930
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:18,960
It relies on property taxes. Um where's

3931
02:39:18,960 --> 02:39:21,040
that housing going to go in sufficient

3932
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:24,160
numbers? This is an edict from on high

3933
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:26,640
at rates that make no sense in this

3934
02:39:26,640 --> 02:39:28,560
town. They make no sense in Athetherton

3935
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:31,280
either. It's crazy. There's an incentive

3936
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:33,200
though to work behind closed doors with

3937
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:36,319
the state to do something. I'd love to

3938
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:40,080
see you guys do something up there uh

3939
02:39:40,080 --> 02:39:45,190
state and town design something great.

3940
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,840
» Great. Any other thoughts about town

3941
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:49,840
center housing?

3942
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:53,359
>> So, I I liked the direction in our last

3943
02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:55,120
meeting where this went. I I felt like

3944
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:57,920
there was some consensus that said well

3945
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:00,399
you saw the numbers there which was

3946
02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:03,120
don't force anybody to do anything but

3947
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:05,840
allow for appropriately designed denser

3948
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:07,359
housing in the town center corridor

3949
02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:10,160
which broadly would be from aces to kind

3950
02:40:10,160 --> 02:40:11,760
of down by Kings Mountain along Woodside

3951
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:14,160
Road right there's there um over the

3952
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:17,040
next 25 years if I'm a property owner

3953
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:19,280
and all of a sudden my land is worth two

3954
02:40:19,280 --> 02:40:21,520
or three times as much because I can add

3955
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:23,040
you know I can either keep it a single

3956
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:25,040
family home or add a little bit of

3957
02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:27,520
density again in with in moderation.

3958
02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:29,680
Nobody's talking about San Mateo or

3959
02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:32,479
crazy big stuff. I I felt like that was

3960
02:40:32,479 --> 02:40:35,359
a pretty good compromise and would be if

3961
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:36,880
I was a homeowner along Woodside Road,

3962
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,319
I'd kind of all of a sudden my land's

3963
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:40,000
worth three times more, I'd feel pretty

3964
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,560
good about it. Um, and I discussed that

3965
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:44,640
with a bunch of a bunch of residents and

3966
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:50,479
people thought that made sense. Um the other thing that you know happened

3967
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:52,640
recently was a couple of council

3968
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:54,479
meetings ago there were kind of a we had

3969
02:40:54,479 --> 02:40:56,399
a very full room of pitchforks and

3970
02:40:56,399 --> 02:41:01,120
torches over this um proposal to uh take

3971
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,680
CALR land and build a highdensity

3972
02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:06,399
housing on it um off of Farm Hill. And

3973
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:08,560
so, you know, about 40 I just think we I

3974
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:10,160
want to make sure we're all sensitive to

3975
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:12,880
about 40% of the town's residents live

3976
02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:14,640
in Woodside Hills and Woodside Heights

3977
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:17,200
east of 280 and they feel crammed down

3978
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:20,000
on where all of the dense housing. They

3979
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:21,920
feel like it's all being stuck on them.

3980
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:23,680
And so the the Kinata Roads, I think,

3981
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:25,280
far enough away maybe there's some more

3982
02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:27,439
insulation, but those guys feel like,

3983
02:41:27,439 --> 02:41:29,520
you know, how come the rest of Woodside

3984
02:41:29,520 --> 02:41:31,280
isn't taking on its fair share and doing

3985
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:34,080
some anywhere else? And so I just wanted

3986
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:35,600
to make sure you guys understood those

3987
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:37,439
feelings coming from 40% of our

3988
02:41:37,439 --> 02:41:39,760
residents that they're they're like it's

3989
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:41,439
just seems silly to them. We wouldn't do

3990
02:41:41,439 --> 02:41:43,920
a little or some in the town center

3991
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:47,920
corridor because it just you know it's where would be walkable to retail

3992
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,359
and walkable to the store and where

3993
02:41:49,359 --> 02:41:51,040
you'd put town employees, all that kind

3994
02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:53,120
of stuff. So that's the that's the

3995
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:54,479
sentiment I get from our residents,

3996
02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:58,950
those two things.

3997
02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:02,000
But I think for housing that the town

3998
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,080
would be well served to look, you know,

3999
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:06,319
to the missing middle as they say in

4000
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,200
planning for housing to to allow people

4001
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:11,760
much like Dan is saying to allow people

4002
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:14,160
to do more on their houses particularly

4003
02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:16,560
if it's in good locations to

4004
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:18,319
transportation and utilities and

4005
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:20,960
whatnot. I think instead of trying to

4006
02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:22,960
look for projects the town can build

4007
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:26,319
except for maybe a few. Uh if we if we

4008
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:29,200
change zoning to allow uh higher

4009
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:32,080
densities in the right locations and let

4010
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:34,080
people do that on a small scale, we're

4011
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:35,520
going to be much better served than

4012
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:37,359
institutionalsized

4013
02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:39,359
projects. Uh I think there's some

4014
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:42,800
evidence that that uh you know one-off

4015
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:45,280
projects with small numbers of units is

4016
02:42:45,280 --> 02:42:47,520
actually cheaper to build than than mega

4017
02:42:47,520 --> 02:42:49,600
projects. This is mega projects depend

4018
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:52,000
on public funding, but it's cheaper to

4019
02:42:52,000 --> 02:42:54,880
build ADUs basically or forplexes for

4020
02:42:54,880 --> 02:43:00,309
that matter.

4021
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:02,160
» I don't have much to add. I think Daniel

4022
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:04,720
said it very well. I mean, the the

4023
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:06,720
impact has to be spread around. Now I

4024
02:43:06,720 --> 02:43:08,240
get Richard thinks that it's great to

4025
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:10,080
put it all at Kinyatta College unless

4026
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:12,080
you live next to Kinyatta College and

4027
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:14,479
it's not necessarily

4028
02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:16,640
I I know the people who live near

4029
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:19,120
Village Hill think that it's going to be

4030
02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:21,280
an abortion to put something on Village

4031
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,760
Hill but that load has to be spread

4032
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:26,560
throughout town. Now, I appreciate that,

4033
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:28,960
you know, we've seen Village Hill

4034
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:30,720
vacant, or at least I've seen it vacant

4035
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:32,720
for 68 years, but, you know, things

4036
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:34,720
might need to change and, you know,

4037
02:43:34,720 --> 02:43:36,399
somebody might have to look at that.

4038
02:43:36,399 --> 02:43:39,200
And, you know, I, you know, I don't

4039
02:43:39,200 --> 02:43:41,200
think you can pack them all into one

4040
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:43,760
person's district or one certain area in

4041
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:45,359
this town. I think it's got to be spread

4042
02:43:45,359 --> 02:43:48,880
throughout. And like Steve Buben says,

4043
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:51,120
um, maybe there's got to be more like a

4044
02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:53,680
overall town zoning overlay. So, right

4045
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:55,120
next to your house, somebody could put

4046
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:57,920
up a 4unit, you know, multif family

4047
02:43:57,920 --> 02:44:00,479
thing. It's it should be throughout

4048
02:44:00,479 --> 02:44:02,240
town. I mean, we're seeing it with

4049
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:04,640
actually I guess you can have four ADUs

4050
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:06,080
in your main residence. We're already

4051
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:10,000
looking at five. So, you know, that's

4052
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:11,920
maybe the the way it should go. But I

4053
02:44:11,920 --> 02:44:13,840
don't think anything should be a sacred

4054
02:44:13,840 --> 02:44:15,760
cow. I think you know it's village hill

4055
02:44:15,760 --> 02:44:18,800
or it's this you know parcel next to the

4056
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:20,319
museum where the gazebo somebody

4057
02:44:20,319 --> 02:44:22,000
mentioned the gazebo that was going I

4058
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:24,800
think down in the there's a valley here

4059
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:31,760
below the uh the museum but uh I think everybody's

4060
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:34,000
going to have to see some intense

4061
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:35,760
housing intensity but it shouldn't be

4062
02:44:35,760 --> 02:44:37,279
just

4063
02:44:37,279 --> 02:44:44,389
pushed out to one area so

4064
02:44:44,399 --> 02:44:46,960
It's not. It's idiotic. But you're now

4065
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:48,560
actually

4066
02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:50,720
what the state wants is idiotic, which

4067
02:44:50,720 --> 02:44:52,880
Richard pointed out, but I don't know.

4068
02:44:52,880 --> 02:44:55,040
We are living in a state that maybe some

4069
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:57,920
things are idiotic.

4070
02:44:57,920 --> 02:45:00,479
>> Okay. Well,

4071
02:45:00,479 --> 02:45:03,680
>> now back to the one of the on the slide

4072
02:45:03,680 --> 02:45:05,600
of one of the choices was adaptive

4073
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:07,279
reuse. And actually you brought it up at

4074
02:45:07,279 --> 02:45:09,680
one of the meetings that you'd be cons

4075
02:45:09,680 --> 02:45:11,120
Nobody came to you and said, "Well, how

4076
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,040
about if I want to open up the hotel and

4077
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:15,439
put housing up there or put something on

4078
02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:18,880
top of Gilbert Center?" So I think the

4079
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:20,720
>> Yeah. So

4080
02:45:20,720 --> 02:45:22,479
>> not under our watch,

4081
02:45:22,479 --> 02:45:24,800
>> but I think adaptive reuse of those

4082
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:27,760
areas in town center, I mean, and so it

4083
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:29,439
kind of goes against what Richard says.

4084
02:45:29,439 --> 02:45:32,080
Nobody's going to want to modify their

4085
02:45:32,080 --> 02:45:34,880
current structures. Um, but maybe

4086
02:45:34,880 --> 02:45:38,720
somebody here would. So, or as you were

4087
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:40,800
saying, Troy, you know, we're looking at

4088
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:42,960
a plan that's got to last the next 50

4089
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:45,279
years. So,

4090
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:48,319
if the possibilities are there, it could

4091
02:45:48,319 --> 02:45:51,279
make a big difference. So, that's what

4092
02:45:51,279 --> 02:45:53,600
that's got to be decided. Now,

4093
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:55,840
>> I would echo the remarks of the last few

4094
02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:58,880
speakers about um having the council

4095
02:45:58,880 --> 02:46:01,040
seriously consider

4096
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:03,840
um having a zoning overlay to allow

4097
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:06,720
individual property owners to develop a

4098
02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:08,960
single family lot to something more

4099
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:11,120
intense like a forplex, something along

4100
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:14,560
those lines. Um, it's probably also

4101
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:17,520
worth pointing out that unfortunately

4102
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:19,760
when we start talking about multifamily

4103
02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:21,279
housing,

4104
02:46:21,279 --> 02:46:25,200
the reality is if you

4105
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:27,120
um lots that are developed more

4106
02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:28,800
intensely,

4107
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:32,240
um, implicit in that is they have to be

4108
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:35,200
um, very adjacent to a sewer line and

4109
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:38,479
that really geographically limits what

4110
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:41,359
parts of Woodside that burden falls on.

4111
02:46:41,359 --> 02:46:44,479
And that just unfortunately for Woodside

4112
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:58,070
that's reality.

4113
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:00,800
All right. Um appreciate the feedback.

4114
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:02,880
Lots of good thoughts. Um I think we can

4115
02:47:02,880 --> 02:47:05,840
take these different ideas and opinions

4116
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:07,680
and carry these forward faithfully to

4117
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:10,479
the council. Um and then we'll circle

4118
02:47:10,479 --> 02:47:13,120
back with this group next time. Um just

4119
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:14,399
for your information, there's some talk

4120
02:47:14,399 --> 02:47:16,720
been some talk about kind of financial

4121
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:18,640
feasibility and all that. We we are

4122
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:21,760
doing our team some analysis of um

4123
02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:24,560
residential feasibility, what it would

4124
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:26,960
look like for a site to realistically

4125
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:28,399
develop with residential. So I think

4126
02:47:28,399 --> 02:47:30,479
that will help a little bit provide some

4127
02:47:30,479 --> 02:47:32,000
color with some of the questions Dan and

4128
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:33,359
Richard were talking about in terms of

4129
02:47:33,359 --> 02:47:35,920
is it really realistic? And we'll have a

4130
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:38,479
little bit more clarity on that. um when

4131
02:47:38,479 --> 02:47:41,439
we come back. But I think for that now,

4132
02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:43,600
unless there's any clo closing comments,

4133
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,000
we'll move to the public comment

4134
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:55,269
section. Julie,

4135
02:47:55,279 --> 02:47:57,439
» and just a note for those online, if you

4136
02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:58,960
would like to make a comment, please use

4137
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:00,399
the raise hand feature and we'll call on

4138
02:48:00,399 --> 02:48:03,520
you when it's your turn to speak.

4139
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,680
>> Thalia Lubin, is this word? Thalia

4140
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:08,560
Luben. um sort of bits and pieces of

4141
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:12,319
comments. Um

4142
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:16,960
if if we can do anything to slow or stop

4143
02:48:16,960 --> 02:48:19,840
the through traffic in Woodside,

4144
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:22,399
um I think that would alleviate a lot of

4145
02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:25,680
problems. Um you could put in four stop

4146
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:27,680
signs as far as I'm concerned and maybe

4147
02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:30,720
it would go on ways that you can't cut

4148
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:33,520
through town when northbound 280 is

4149
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:35,840
backed up. We live off Kinyatta Road and

4150
02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:38,640
there's days where I can't even get onto

4151
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:41,760
Kinyatta Road. Uh I did go to Jean

4152
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:44,160
Savvery and ask her about this whole

4153
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:46,319
ways situation. She says those are

4154
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:48,560
public roads. We can't really do

4155
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:50,399
anything

4156
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:52,720
to change the mapping and when the

4157
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:56,160
freeway shuts down. Um

4158
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:59,760
I So that's one idea. Uh maybe we need

4159
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:01,760
to back out and look at a master plan

4160
02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:04,479
and try to divert traffic Whiskey Hill,

4161
02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:07,439
Sand Hill to Portola Road. So if you

4162
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:09,279
want to go to La Honda and you're coming

4163
02:49:09,279 --> 02:49:11,120
through Woodside,

4164
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:12,640
that's going to be your best route

4165
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:14,160
because the rest of town is going to

4166
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:16,399
have too many narrow lanes and stop

4167
02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:18,800
signs. So I'd like to kind of look at

4168
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:22,080
the bigger picture of this whole thing.

4169
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:23,600
Um,

4170
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:26,319
other idea to Sue's point, I think if

4171
02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:30,000
the back alley were turned into a a more

4172
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:32,880
pleasant street,

4173
02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:34,720
you would be okay to park there and walk

4174
02:49:34,720 --> 02:49:37,359
to the bank from the post office, maybe,

4175
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:45,200
you know. So, so I think the concept is great. Um, another idea is we, Steve

4176
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:47,520
and I have visited a lot of revamped

4177
02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:50,960
downtowns and they have this backend

4178
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:53,520
parking. Right now, all of us pull out

4179
02:49:53,520 --> 02:49:55,760
of perpendicular

4180
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:58,880
parking when we back out. And I can tell

4181
02:49:58,880 --> 02:50:00,880
you when I'm at Robert's, if I'm on

4182
02:50:00,880 --> 02:50:02,720
Mountain Home side, I back in cuz I have

4183
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:06,319
a little car and I can't see coming out

4184
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:09,520
if I'm backing out. If I could take all

4185
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:12,479
of you to one of these diagonal backin

4186
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,399
parking situations that we've seen in

4187
02:50:14,399 --> 02:50:17,200
some of these downtowns, I think you

4188
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:19,040
would all really like it. It really

4189
02:50:19,040 --> 02:50:22,000
works. And it's it's much easier if

4190
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:23,920
you're heading this direction to back in

4191
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:26,080
at an angle and then when you get in,

4192
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:29,200
you can see before you when you're going

4193
02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:32,640
out. Um, and finally, I want to say a

4194
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:34,800
big thank you to the consultants. Um, I

4195
02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:37,439
think they've done a great job and as an

4196
02:50:37,439 --> 02:50:40,399
architect I hear some of you, some of

4197
02:50:40,399 --> 02:50:42,479
your comments are like they've already

4198
02:50:42,479 --> 02:50:45,120
built it and look out. And I think what

4199
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:47,040
we're trying to do here is come out with

4200
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:50,160
a master plan that will last for a long

4201
02:50:50,160 --> 02:50:52,800
time. There may be changes in ownership,

4202
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:54,000
different buildings, different

4203
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:55,600
situations.

4204
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:57,120
Um,

4205
02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:59,040
so I'd like to see us come out with a

4206
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:01,439
what I call a conceptual master plan

4207
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:05,040
that we can refer to and and implement

4208
02:51:05,040 --> 02:51:06,880
incrementally

4209
02:51:06,880 --> 02:51:09,920
and as situations change, we can have

4210
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:13,120
more feedback. But um I I would

4211
02:51:13,120 --> 02:51:15,359
appreciate all of your comments, but I'd

4212
02:51:15,359 --> 02:51:17,680
like you to keep your minds open for

4213
02:51:17,680 --> 02:51:19,760
other possibilities and how to feed off

4214
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:22,160
each other with your ideas so that we

4215
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:24,560
can make Woodside better, safer,

4216
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:27,760
prettier. Um some of you may remember

4217
02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:30,399
that Calrans came through and widened

4218
02:51:30,399 --> 02:51:33,760
from Hiendas to Roberts when 280 was

4219
02:51:33,760 --> 02:51:36,000
going in. We had no choice about that.

4220
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:38,560
we have a choice about this and we can

4221
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:41,439
all have input and and make it better.

4222
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:47,670
So, thank you.

4223
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:50,160
» Moving to the speakers online, um Lee

4224
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:59,190
Prince.

4225
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:02,550
Good evening.

4226
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:04,880
Uh my name is Lee Prince. I am a land

4227
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:07,439
use attorney representing Roberts. I

4228
02:52:07,439 --> 02:52:09,359
want to thank everyone for the good

4229
02:52:09,359 --> 02:52:10,800
discussion tonight regarding these

4230
02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:13,200
transportation concepts. Some of the

4231
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:15,439
concepts made this evening, some of the

4232
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:17,120
comments made this evening that led to

4233
02:52:17,120 --> 02:52:19,359
the direction to reook at the area B

4234
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:21,279
concepts are similar to the comments I

4235
02:52:21,279 --> 02:52:23,680
will make on behalf of Roberts, the main

4236
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:25,359
property owner impacted by these

4237
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:27,439
proposals.

4238
02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:29,359
Before I get to specific comments on

4239
02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:31,040
area B, I want to note that the

4240
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:33,279
objective to prioritize residents over

4241
02:52:33,279 --> 02:52:36,240
visitors by limiting parking contradicts

4242
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:38,160
the priority to provide for resident

4243
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,479
amenities like outdoor dining that

4244
02:52:40,479 --> 02:52:42,800
require more parking to be viable, both

4245
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:44,240
from a municipal code parking

4246
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:46,479
requirement perspective and from a

4247
02:52:46,479 --> 02:52:48,880
financial feasibility perspective.

4248
02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:50,800
Roberts is intimately familiar with the

4249
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:52,640
financial difficulties associated with

4250
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:54,479
the impact of limited parking in this

4251
02:52:54,479 --> 02:52:56,560
commercial area of town. And from

4252
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:58,479
Robert's perspective, the concept

4253
02:52:58,479 --> 02:53:01,040
proposals for area B, rather than being

4254
02:53:01,040 --> 02:53:03,040
an improvement, will place a burden on

4255
02:53:03,040 --> 02:53:04,720
Roberts, which I heard the consultant

4256
02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:09,830
say is not the goal of these concepts.

4257
02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:12,399
Moving the concepts in area B forward

4258
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,240
should be paused until the Roberts and

4259
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:16,319
the town can dig into the issue of the

4260
02:53:16,319 --> 02:53:18,399
size of the private parcel and the scope

4261
02:53:18,399 --> 02:53:20,960
of the public right ofway. Roberts has

4262
02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:22,319
information that contradicts the

4263
02:53:22,319 --> 02:53:23,920
depiction of the parcel, not including

4264
02:53:23,920 --> 02:53:25,680
the full market property, as it is

4265
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:28,080
generally understood. Roberts is unaware

4266
02:53:28,080 --> 02:53:30,479
that the town owns any of this land.

4267
02:53:30,479 --> 02:53:32,240
Until these issues are resolved, it is

4268
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:34,160
difficult to plan and understand what

4269
02:53:34,160 --> 02:53:36,399
options may be reasonable or legally

4270
02:53:36,399 --> 02:53:39,359
possible. With respect to parking, even

4271
02:53:39,359 --> 02:53:41,040
if the number of parking spaces is

4272
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:43,600
retained, Roberts is opposed to moving

4273
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:45,359
the parking away from the store or

4274
02:53:45,359 --> 02:53:47,359
across the street from the store. Both

4275
02:53:47,359 --> 02:53:48,960
from an operational and safety

4276
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:50,720
perspective, think customers carrying

4277
02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:53,040
grocery bags, and from an economic

4278
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:54,640
perspective, as fewer people may

4279
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:56,160
patronize the market if they are

4280
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:57,920
concerned about finding parking and or

4281
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:00,160
crossing the street. Roberts is

4282
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:02,240
concerned that the parking as these

4283
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:04,479
concepts propose it will get used for

4284
02:54:04,479 --> 02:54:06,720
other purposes, not for market parking

4285
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:08,640
with no enforcement mechanism, which

4286
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:10,080
would further constrain the market's

4287
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:13,200
parking and negatively impact the store.

4288
02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:14,960
Roberts is also concerned about

4289
02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:17,520
programming for any adjacent park. This

4290
02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:19,520
programming could impact availability of

4291
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:22,000
parking spaces for the market. A farmers

4292
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:23,680
market will take away from Robert's

4293
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:25,439
customer base. This happens every week

4294
02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:28,240
at the Portola Valley store on Thursday

4295
02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:30,960
when the town hosts the farmers market.

4296
02:54:30,960 --> 02:54:32,720
To answer the question presented

4297
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:34,720
earlier, Christine is not interested in

4298
02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:36,560
these gathering spaces adjacent to the

4299
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:38,720
market. Perhaps this type of space could

4300
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:40,479
be moved consistent with measure A near

4301
02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:43,120
town hall. Trucks cannot back on

4302
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:45,439
Woodside. Trucks cannot get back on

4303
02:54:45,439 --> 02:54:47,120
Woodside Road without the slip lane,

4304
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:50,080
which will impact the concept one. Um, I

4305
02:54:50,080 --> 02:54:51,439
would recommend that the town take a

4306
02:54:51,439 --> 02:54:53,040
step back from these concepts and work

4307
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:55,120
one-on-one with Christine to develop a

4308
02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:56,640
solution that would be amenable to the

4309
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:59,120
market and its operations. I really

4310
02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:00,800
appreciate your time this evening. Thank

4311
02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:11,830
you.

4312
02:55:11,840 --> 02:55:28,230
There are no other raised hands online.

4313
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:29,920
My name is Bill Gilbert. I'm the other

4314
02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:33,040
half. Um,

4315
02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:35,520
what I heard a lot of ideas and that,

4316
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:38,399
but I support Roberts, Christine

4317
02:55:38,399 --> 02:55:40,960
Roberts, and her concerns, and I would

4318
02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:44,560
hope you folks work with her to get it

4319
02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:50,160
resolved. Uh, number one, I had uh bumps

4320
02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:52,560
put in my easement going down the back

4321
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:55,920
here. They've been torn up by the

4322
02:55:55,920 --> 02:56:00,150
vigilantes of the bicycles.

4323
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:02,880
I think we need permanent bumpers there.

4324
02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:05,439
It's It's a town easement and I I

4325
02:56:05,439 --> 02:56:07,920
haven't asked, but I am going to ask and

4326
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:10,240
I think that'll mitigate the speed back

4327
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:13,359
there, which is very dangerous. I I I'm

4328
02:56:13,359 --> 02:56:16,880
here every day when I'm in in town and

4329
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:20,160
they uh they just speed certain people

4330
02:56:20,160 --> 02:56:23,439
speed back there like 30 40 miles an

4331
02:56:23,439 --> 02:56:26,640
hour. It's unbelievable. So if the

4332
02:56:26,640 --> 02:56:29,600
bumpers were permanent asphalt like you

4333
02:56:29,600 --> 02:56:33,120
have, I think that would mitigate that.

4334
02:56:33,120 --> 02:56:36,399
And then on Mountain Home Road, will you

4335
02:56:36,399 --> 02:56:40,399
exit our property down there? If you I

4336
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:41,760
don't know if you can do this, but if

4337
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:45,359
you can make some u uh speed changes

4338
02:56:45,359 --> 02:56:48,800
where they make them speed uh downgrade

4339
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:51,680
to 10 miles an hour, then that would

4340
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:53,920
help a lot because these guys when they

4341
02:56:53,920 --> 02:56:56,319
get off work, they just zip through

4342
02:56:56,319 --> 02:56:59,920
there. Also, at the stop sign uh down

4343
02:56:59,920 --> 02:57:02,399
here at Roberts, they're waiting there

4344
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:04,960
like race cars. Some of these guys look

4345
02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:07,520
at it at five o'clock. You can't get out

4346
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:09,200
of here. They're coming up, they come

4347
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:12,800
out the stop sign, they're coming 30, 40

4348
02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:16,640
miles an hour within a few feet. So I I

4349
02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:18,720
you know, either the enforcement of the

4350
02:57:18,720 --> 02:57:23,040
sheriffs or some uh downgrading of the

4351
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:26,240
miles per hour. So that's all I got to

4352
02:57:26,240 --> 02:57:31,590
say. Thank you.

4353
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:34,080
» That was my husband who was in the San

4354
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:35,920
Francisco Police Department for 30

4355
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:39,920
years. And part of that time you you led

4356
02:57:39,920 --> 02:57:43,840
the traffic stuff going on there. Yeah.

4357
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:45,200
Okay. I know it was only one year

4358
02:57:45,200 --> 02:57:46,880
because you were a wild man all the rest

4359
02:57:46,880 --> 02:57:50,800
of the time. He's well known. Anyway,

4360
02:57:50,800 --> 02:57:52,800
he's a legend in the San Francisco

4361
02:57:52,800 --> 02:57:56,479
Police Department, but um everything he

4362
02:57:56,479 --> 02:57:59,760
just said is so true. I forgot to find

4363
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:03,840
out what's happening from is it

4364
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:06,160
at the end of our parking lot before we

4365
02:58:06,160 --> 02:58:10,160
go over to Christine's

4366
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:12,479
to the left. What is that street? Is

4367
02:58:12,479 --> 02:58:14,399
that Mountain Home Road?

4368
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:16,880
>> Okay. The Is there any kind of a stop

4369
02:58:16,880 --> 02:58:19,120
sign or anything there? Because you we

4370
02:58:19,120 --> 02:58:21,120
have no sight distance there. Anybody

4371
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:24,080
coming out of our parking lot there?

4372
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:26,319
Can't see who's coming at them because

4373
02:58:26,319 --> 02:58:30,000
there's a bunch of trees or or built

4374
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:31,760
wooden things. Not from our property,

4375
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:34,080
but there. I don't know. Does anybody

4376
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:36,160
know anybody in the town know about

4377
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:38,640
that? When you come out of Mountain Home

4378
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:41,040
Road and you and then you're just about

4379
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:45,040
to hit back of Christine's restaurant. I

4380
02:58:45,040 --> 02:58:45,359
mean,

4381
02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:46,960
>> come over bridge.

4382
02:58:46,960 --> 02:58:48,640
>> Pardon me. Yeah. when they come over the

4383
02:58:48,640 --> 02:58:50,319
bridge, there's no sight distance coming

4384
02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:53,279
out of our place at all. So, I don't

4385
02:58:53,279 --> 02:58:54,880
know what you can do there. But,

4386
02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:57,520
>> yeah, that could be part of the we

4387
02:58:57,520 --> 02:58:59,279
talked about maybe a crosswalk there or

4388
02:58:59,279 --> 02:59:02,319
some other it'll depend on the the

4389
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:04,160
>> crosswalk because there's no sight

4390
02:59:04,160 --> 02:59:05,439
distance or

4391
02:59:05,439 --> 02:59:07,200
>> Right. Okay. Maybe it's a crosswalk with

4392
02:59:07,200 --> 02:59:09,600
a stop sign or a flasher. I think it it

4393
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:14,479
could tie into our um conversation with Christine and and I think we can

4394
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:16,880
take that take that into under

4395
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:19,200
advisement as we move forward. So

4396
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:21,920
>> maybe Lewis can can confirm this, but

4397
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:24,080
I've heard that the town is looking at

4398
02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:26,800
replacing the bridge there on Ry Creek

4399
02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:30,080
Roach and uh Roberts if that were were

4400
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:32,479
moved, you know, further east and it

4401
02:59:32,479 --> 02:59:34,399
would give a lot more room for that. We

4402
02:59:34,399 --> 02:59:36,080
could be an opportunity to straighten

4403
02:59:36,080 --> 02:59:39,680
that whole situation out.

4404
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:42,160
Yeah. Um Steve is correct. Um that

4405
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:44,160
project, the bridge project, uh Mountain

4406
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:46,800
Road Bridge, uh over Dry Creek, it is on

4407
02:59:46,800 --> 02:59:50,399
the current draft CIP. Um that's on our

4408
02:59:50,399 --> 02:59:52,080
proposed CIP. So that's something that

4409
02:59:52,080 --> 02:59:54,560
the town would like to look at. Um doing

4410
02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,479
something with the bridge itself. In

4411
02:59:56,479 --> 02:59:58,720
terms of um Leanne's question about

4412
02:59:58,720 --> 03:00:00,720
signage, I think the town can definitely

4413
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:01,920
take a look at that. Maybe through

4414
03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:03,760
circulation committee, we can evaluate

4415
03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:08,309
the signage over there.

4416
03:00:08,319 --> 03:00:11,200
We have another raised hand online. Um

4417
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:18,309
Christine Roberts, you may speak.

4418
03:00:18,319 --> 03:00:20,000
Can you guys hear me?

4419
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:21,200
>> Yes, we can.

4420
03:00:21,200 --> 03:00:23,279
>> Okay. Hi. Um sorry I couldn't be there

4421
03:00:23,279 --> 03:00:25,680
in person uh this evening, but I I did

4422
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:28,560
catch most of the

4423
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:35,040
um comments. Um and uh there were some

4424
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:37,840
interesting ideas presented.

4425
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:41,359
I I think my takeaway from especially my

4426
03:00:41,359 --> 03:00:44,720
part of the project which turned out to

4427
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:49,680
be um a lot larger when I joined the

4428
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:55,600
committee. I had no idea that um

4429
03:00:55,600 --> 03:00:58,880
the idea was uh to take away parking

4430
03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:01,840
from my my business. I mean, I I'm

4431
03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,960
absolutely kind of stunned

4432
03:01:04,960 --> 03:01:08,319
um that this was presented and seems to

4433
03:01:08,319 --> 03:01:10,399
be okay

4434
03:01:10,399 --> 03:01:13,840
um with the majority of people

4435
03:01:13,840 --> 03:01:20,800
to um includes uh side uh crosswalks

4436
03:01:20,800 --> 03:01:23,920
and stuff. Um,

4437
03:01:23,920 --> 03:01:28,000
so while I I agree there are some issues

4438
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:30,479
with the intersection

4439
03:01:30,479 --> 03:01:33,040
and a park uh parking space on the

4440
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:36,160
corner and people back out.

4441
03:01:36,160 --> 03:01:39,359
Um, that that row of parking is just

4442
03:01:39,359 --> 03:01:42,560
essential for my business. To move it

4443
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:45,040
anywhere else

4444
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:48,560
uh would be it just wouldn't it wouldn't

4445
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:51,760
be acceptable uh to me.

4446
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:53,520
um

4447
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:57,279
and to put in the backwards 90 degree

4448
03:01:57,279 --> 03:02:00,960
angle or whatever that parking is. Um we

4449
03:02:00,960 --> 03:02:02,880
know we would lose at least three spots.

4450
03:02:02,880 --> 03:02:05,120
It would take out the palm tree that's

4451
03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:08,720
been there for almost a hundred years.

4452
03:02:08,720 --> 03:02:10,560
Um

4453
03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:12,479
so I I look forward to having more

4454
03:02:12,479 --> 03:02:16,000
conversations about this. Um but this

4455
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:18,880
just was not what I expected to to come

4456
03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:21,040
out of this committee.

4457
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:23,840
um or this project.

4458
03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:26,880
So, um I mean that's about all I have to

4459
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:39,269
say at this point.

4460
03:02:39,279 --> 03:02:40,319
» I have a quick question.

4461
03:02:40,319 --> 03:02:47,190
>> Raise hands online.

4462
03:02:47,200 --> 03:02:49,680
» All right. Um thank you Christine. Thank

4463
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:51,920
you for participating and uh we'll look

4464
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:53,920
forward to continued conversations with

4465
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:57,840
you. Um so with that uh did I hear a

4466
03:02:57,840 --> 03:02:59,840
question? Yeah.

4467
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:02,160
>> Just wondering there was no mention we

4468
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:05,920
had been discussing uh outdoor dining

4469
03:03:05,920 --> 03:03:08,399
options at our last meeting. Is that

4470
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:09,600
something that's going to be carried

4471
03:03:09,600 --> 03:03:12,000
through and discussed?

4472
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:14,160
>> Yeah, great question. So, um, I'll go

4473
03:03:14,160 --> 03:03:17,040
ahead and put up my final couple of

4474
03:03:17,040 --> 03:03:20,960
slides here because, um,

4475
03:03:20,960 --> 03:03:22,800
tonight we were really focused, laser

4476
03:03:22,800 --> 03:03:26,560
focused on transportation. Um, but, uh,

4477
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:28,160
you know, last time we talked, we talked

4478
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:30,880
about, um, parking, public space,

4479
03:03:30,880 --> 03:03:33,040
transportation, and housing on land use

4480
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:37,279
all at once. So, um, what we have on our

4481
03:03:37,279 --> 03:03:39,359
docket is, as you know, we have our

4482
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:41,200
meeting next Tuesday, a week from

4483
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:43,840
tonight with council where we'll give

4484
03:03:43,840 --> 03:03:46,080
them really the feedback from this

4485
03:03:46,080 --> 03:03:47,520
group, from the three meetings with this

4486
03:03:47,520 --> 03:03:48,800
group, everything we've heard and

4487
03:03:48,800 --> 03:03:50,240
everything we heard from the community

4488
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:53,359
in our surveys, and our popups. Um, as I

4489
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:55,040
said, we'll be doing some residential

4490
03:03:55,040 --> 03:03:58,080
financial feasibility analysis. Um,

4491
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:00,000
after this council meeting, we'll really

4492
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:01,520
launch into the next phase of

4493
03:04:01,520 --> 03:04:03,920
engagement. Our survey will be open in

4494
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:06,000
May. At the next meeting with this

4495
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:07,840
group, we'll come back to review the

4496
03:04:07,840 --> 03:04:09,600
results of that community engagement,

4497
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:11,760
but also to to circle back on some of

4498
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:14,479
the other topics like public space and

4499
03:04:14,479 --> 03:04:15,840
housing that we just didn't get to

4500
03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:18,880
tonight. Um, and then the next meeting

4501
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:20,640
with the council will be to really

4502
03:04:20,640 --> 03:04:22,800
confirm what we're going to study for

4503
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:25,840
SQA, what's our SQA approach and our

4504
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:28,000
scenarios, and then that will kick off

4505
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:30,960
the EIR. Um and then there'll be another

4506
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:32,479
final meeting with this group as we're

4507
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:33,840
kind of putting together the final plan

4508
03:04:33,840 --> 03:04:36,000
to kind of look at it as a group uh the

4509
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:37,600
policy direction and the concepts but

4510
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:41,760
that will come later in this year. Um so

4511
03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:43,520
yeah just putting this up again right

4512
03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:46,240
now we have council engagement another

4513
03:04:46,240 --> 03:04:48,560
meeting with this group and then we'll

4514
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:50,800
go into environmental review. So, we

4515
03:04:50,800 --> 03:04:52,960
probably won't meet with folks here for

4516
03:04:52,960 --> 03:04:57,359
um a couple months, but um you're we

4517
03:04:57,359 --> 03:04:58,640
invite you to come to the council

4518
03:04:58,640 --> 03:05:00,399
meeting next week and share your ideas,

4519
03:05:00,399 --> 03:05:03,439
but we will do our best to convey the

4520
03:05:03,439 --> 03:05:05,439
sentiments of this group and the

4521
03:05:05,439 --> 03:05:07,279
concerns, comments, feedback from this

4522
03:05:07,279 --> 03:05:10,560
group to council um next week. So, with

4523
03:05:10,560 --> 03:05:13,920
that, uh yeah, one quick final

4524
03:05:13,920 --> 03:05:17,359
>> follow on the last comment. Um where are

4525
03:05:17,359 --> 03:05:19,920
we with outdoor dining? And I think that

4526
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:21,680
may have something to do with a lawsuit

4527
03:05:21,680 --> 03:05:25,040
that town is currently working with and

4528
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:27,840
maybe we could find out where that is

4529
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:30,640
right now because the parking that was

4530
03:05:30,640 --> 03:05:32,720
kind of approved by the council and by

4531
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:36,319
the town got kind of turned around at

4532
03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:39,920
the last minute. So where I think that's

4533
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:41,439
holding up the outdoor dining is

4534
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:45,520
certainly at you know bucks and the

4535
03:05:45,520 --> 03:05:47,359
village bakery.

4536
03:05:47,359 --> 03:05:49,600
So the hearing on that was concluded um

4537
03:05:49,600 --> 03:05:51,279
a couple of months ago. The judge asked

4538
03:05:51,279 --> 03:05:52,640
for some additional briefing which has

4539
03:05:52,640 --> 03:05:54,960
all been turned in and we are all just

4540
03:05:54,960 --> 03:05:56,880
awaiting um her decision at this point

4541
03:05:56,880 --> 03:05:58,960
which I assume we will get within the

4542
03:05:58,960 --> 03:06:03,040
next 30 to 60 days at the outside.

4543
03:06:03,040 --> 03:06:05,040
>> And I just uh want to again thank

4544
03:06:05,040 --> 03:06:07,600
everybody for coming. Um and just to

4545
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:09,279
reiterate again, you know, we're looking

4546
03:06:09,279 --> 03:06:11,840
for this this is a process to create a

4547
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:15,920
long range planning document. It will

4548
03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:18,319
guide the town with priorities and

4549
03:06:18,319 --> 03:06:22,240
different uh programs to apply. So

4550
03:06:22,240 --> 03:06:24,240
things like outdoor dining and parking

4551
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:26,240
standards and whether there's

4552
03:06:26,240 --> 03:06:28,160
flexibility for housing of adaptive

4553
03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:30,880
reuse or you know apartments upstairs or

4554
03:06:30,880 --> 03:06:32,479
different things like that, those are

4555
03:06:32,479 --> 03:06:34,000
all again these are going to be things

4556
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:36,000
that are policy driven. So the final

4557
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:37,920
document will tell us if we want to

4558
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:40,640
explore these things further and any

4559
03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:44,160
zoning changes um that come with you

4560
03:06:44,160 --> 03:06:48,160
know expanding making more flexibility

4561
03:06:48,160 --> 03:06:50,319
uh for outdoor dining for different

4562
03:06:50,319 --> 03:06:52,960
types of uses maybe removing some of the

4563
03:06:52,960 --> 03:06:54,560
red tape we talked about some of our

4564
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:56,479
earlier meetings you know I always use

4565
03:06:56,479 --> 03:06:58,160
the example our code says you need a

4566
03:06:58,160 --> 03:06:59,920
conditional use permit for an ice cream

4567
03:06:59,920 --> 03:07:03,840
store um and so you know we can the goal

4568
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:05,920
will be coming out of this document to

4569
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:07,760
then set priorities where we'll start to

4570
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:09,760
get down into more of the details on

4571
03:07:09,760 --> 03:07:12,479
these specific issues and every zoning

4572
03:07:12,479 --> 03:07:15,600
code change. Um, and a lot of these

4573
03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:18,000
items will be before the public for

4574
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:20,479
refined comments and and implementation

4575
03:07:20,479 --> 03:07:22,479
at that point. So again, thank you for

4576
03:07:22,479 --> 03:07:24,560
coming and we look forward to kind of

4577
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:26,399
creating this policy document together

4578
03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:28,319
that looks, you know, forward for the

4579
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:32,399
next 10, 20 or more years.

4580
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:33,920
>> Thank you, Sage. And if you have

4581
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:35,840
comments on your forms you want to turn

4582
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:38,240
into us, go ahead and and and fill it

4583
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,560
hand those back to us. But uh appreciate

4584
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:42,319
all the comments and conversation today.

4585
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:45,720
Thanks all.