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so we'll call the um meeting of April

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28th, 2026 to order. Jen, will you take

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roll call, please?

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>> Council member Alberish

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>> Council member Brown

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>> Council member Gold. Council member

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Wall, Mayor Donowski,

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>> here. Uh Mayor Prom Gold, will you lead

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us in the pledge of allegiance, please?

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stands nation under God, indivisible

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with liberty and justice for all.

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>> All right. Very good. Thank you. I think

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with that we will open up public

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comment. So persons wishing to address

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the council on any non-aggendaized items

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that are in the jurisdiction of the town

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are invited to do so.

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Please note, however, that the council

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is not able to undertake extended

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discussions on non-aggendaized items.

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Those items can be referred to staff for

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future action on a future agenda. This

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communication period is limited to five

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persons, three minutes each, and we're

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going to hold to that because we have a big agenda again tonight. So, uh,

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everyone else who would like to speak

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business is done. So, thank you for

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that. Are there any members of the

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public who would like to speak on any

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item that is not agendaized tonight?

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>> Come on up. Thank you.

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>> Um,

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good evening, council members.

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>> I'm just going to read my notes

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>> Yeah, I got it. Yeah, my name is Terra

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Pachuan. I live at 164 Bit Road

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immediately adjacent to the proposed new

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resident at 156 Bit Road. Um I

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respectfully request that this comment

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be included verbatim in the record. I

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will provide a written copy.

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I'm asking the council to look into

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serious procedural problems with the SRB

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review conducted on November 17 of last

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year. The board the ASRB was told the

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project had no code violations. No

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exceptions were anticipated

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that everything was I'm sorry it was

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that was inaccurate. The plans presented

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contain objective code violations.

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and development on slope steeper than

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steepness.

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wall that should not have been allowed.

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The ASRB packet also contained factual

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errors including stating the property

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was connected to the sewer when it

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remained unsusceptive. Still

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there was just a lot of errors on that

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information packet provided to the SRB.

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information, it made recommendations

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based on a floor record.

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meaningfully evaluated under section

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of the Woodside Municipal Code. the

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required design criteria intended to

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minimize grading, protect privacy,

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preserve neighborhood character.

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applied and adjacent neighbors are

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I respectfully ask the council to help

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return the project back to the ASRB for

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proper review based on code compliant

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plans and accurate information so a

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lawful and sound design can be

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implemented and not later challenged

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avoiding further delay for the property

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hostile to all parties. Things already

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gotten very hostile and should be

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avoided. But it is also not reasonable

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for adjacent neighbors as to absorb

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severe privacy and property impacts

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without seeking a fair remedy. This is

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why I'm asking for a corrective action

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now during the design phase.

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Municipal Code states resident have a

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right to expect code compliant without

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confrontation with neighbors. I'm not

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asking to stop development. I'm asking

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for a lawful review, fair treatment,

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adherent to the town's code for the

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benefits of neighbors,

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from three or four staff members in the

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last got to be four or five months now,

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easements, and that's in the next phase

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of this. And I think staff has committed

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to making sure that you're informed and

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um about when you can make a timely

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appeal is my recollection.

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>> It's not just a code, there was no

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have a conversation about it, but is

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there anything else that staff would

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like to add um or does that pretty much

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correct. It went through conceptual

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design review. At the concept uh part of

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design review um it looks at the basic

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design of a project. They give feedback

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on the design evaluation criteria. The

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ASRB did that. Um they made uh a

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recommendation to move forward to formal

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design review. At the formal design

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review part of the process is when it

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all of the detailed information is um

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looked at to make sure for code

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compliance. Uh so the applicant has

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that have been deemed incomplete which

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they are working on in terms of setbacks

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and other code issues. All of that stuff

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design to ensure that they could comply

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significant changes to the design it

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would be taken back to ASRB but at this

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time they have not made significant

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changes. they've made some minor tweaks

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to the position of the building and then

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compliance with setbacks and heights.

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staff level because they installed story

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poles and the ASRB did not have

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significant issues with the design. So

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all the neighbors especially on the

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neighbor here speaking will be informed

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of any decision that's made on that

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application and that application that

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decision can be appealed to the planning

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commission. Okay. Any decision in the

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planning commission can be appealed to

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because they were presented with

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inaccurate information. So the entire

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evaluation criteria were not evaluated

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accordingly.

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>> Well, there's going to be an opportunity

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for a timely appeal for sure. So this is

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just the way the municipal system works

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at this point. Why would a resident have

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but I appreciate bring it up. We're well

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aware of it. I want you to know your

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>> I'm watching it too for you. So, just

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know that we will we'll be in contact,

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from anyone? Alia Luben. Hello.

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I just want to say on uh for myself and

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for the history committee, I really

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appreciate the council

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even considering the purchase of the

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Velicate House. And as you all know and

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whatever part Jen played in having the

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school board purchase it, I just just

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great big thank you and I hope that the

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town will help facilitate whatever plan

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is going forward. I understand there's a

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desire for teacher housing on that site

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and you know it's sort of a I hate the

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word win-win but we saved the old

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Velicad house and we we now have

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something that can be used as a model

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for additional housing in the center of

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town. And I also want to uh you've

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probably heard about it. I want to

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reinforce our invitation to the museum

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on May 12th. we have our annual

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preservation award and every everybody

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in the room is invited. Um and after

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which we will be coming to the council

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for the proclamation for preservation

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month and our two recipients this year

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is the old stone winery on Laquesta away

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and the used to be called the telephone

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exchange and then it was the almanac

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building and now it's Delgavio. It's on

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the corner right kitty corner from

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Robert. So, um, I do hope you'll all

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join us. Thank you.

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>> Thank you and thanks for your advocacy.

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discussion and I I haven't met a single

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person who isn't thrilled with the

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outcome uh of what's happened with that

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non-aggendaized items from the room?

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room. So, we will close

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uh public comment and we'll move right

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into presentations. And we have a

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wonderful presentation to kick things

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off with our our new sheriff. I'll end

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Welcome.

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Uh good evening, Mr. Mayor, council

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members, members of the community. Uh

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just want to say it's truly an honor to

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stand here before you all tonight um as

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a newly appointed captain overseeing uh

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the police services for the town of

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Woodside. I'm grateful for this

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opportunity to serve this community and

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to work alongside all of you and

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continuing to keep Woodside a safe,

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vibrant, and exceptional place to live.

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And just a little bit about myself is I

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was born just down the road here in

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Redwood City. So serving, you know, here

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is especially meaningful to me. This

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region has always been home and I take

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great pride in contributing to the

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well-being of the communities that shape

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I bring 22 years of service with me um

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here at the sheriff's office and over

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the course of my career I've had the

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privilege of working in a wide ride wide

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excuse me a wide range of assignments

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across the organization. Most recently I

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served as our transit bureau commander

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overseeing police services for uh Calr

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and Samr uh where I oversaw complex

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infrastructure and regional

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Each of these experiences has given me a

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broad perspective of policing and

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reinforced my core belief that strong

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partnerships are the foundation of

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effective public safety.

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And with Woodside being a unique and

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special community known for its

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exceptional quality of life, its natural

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beauty, and its engaged residents, I am

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deeply committed to maintaining and

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enhancing that standard.

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I also recognize that every community

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has its own set of priorities and

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concerns.

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service, but to listen carefully and

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consistently to the issues that matter

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most to the people who live here. So

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whether that's traffic safety, emergency

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preparedness, or property crime

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prevention, quality of life issues, I

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want you to know that I'm committed to

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working collaboratively with the town

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leadership, the residents, and the

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deputies um underneath my command on

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those challenges. in a thoughtful,

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proactive, and collaborative way. One of

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my top priorities is to ensure that our

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sheriff's office personnel are visible,

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accessible, and approachable.

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Community trust is built through

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relationships, and relationships are

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built through presence and engagement.

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And you will see me in the community as

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well. So, please, I encourage the

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residents, any of you, to connect with

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me, connect with the deputies, uh share

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your concerns, be active, and we can

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partner together in shaping our public

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safety efforts for this great town. And

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I really want to emphasize my commitment

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to transparency, accountability, and

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responsiveness. These principles guide

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how I lead everywhere I've gone through

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the sheriff's office, and that will

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continue here in Woodside, and they're

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essential to maintaining the trust that

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this community rightfully expects and

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deserves.

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So, in closing, I just want you to know

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that I'm very excited to be here. Um, I

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know there's work ahead, but the

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opportunity to serve this great town.

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Um, I look forward to building strong

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relationships with each one of you, with

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the residents in the community and

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really understanding what your

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priorities are and how I can be of

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assistance and support. So, thank you

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for your time. Um, and I look forward to

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uh to seeing each of you in the future.

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So, thanks again.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Appreciate it.

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>> Uh, and welcome. Is are there any

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questions from council

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>> for the Go ahead, Paul.

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>> Yeah, I'd like to welcome Brandon. Um

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you've already made a big impact on our

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community as we were talking about

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before. Um it's quite a history you're

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following here. I was trying to think of

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all the names, but but um you're

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following in the footsteps at least in

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Woodside. Christina Corpus have the same

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position uh as captain of this

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particular bureau. Uh Frank Delporto,

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Mark Meyers. I mean, it's a pretty

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impressive list. And um I think that uh

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although it's big shoes to fill uh the

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capabilities we've seen already, we're

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very impressed and uh wanted to

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personally welcome you to Woodside.

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We're really glad you're here and you have just such a great crew. We're happy to have them all here.

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>> Absolutely. And I think I touched on it

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before talking to you. I you know I have

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great respect for this town. I mean it's

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a it's a really a full circle moment for

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me in my career. you know, as a young

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deputy 22 years ago when I first cleared

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the training program. My first

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assignment on my own was right here in

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the town of Woodside. Um, and yeah,

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that's 22 years ago. I know a lot's

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changed, but you know, I have great

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respect, great memories of of the people

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who work here, the town leadership, and

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I'm excited to be back on, you know, at

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this point in this juncture of my

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career.

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>> Wonderful. Thank you. That's

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>> I just wanted to also welcome you

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personally. Oh, sorry. Um, and just

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offer up, you know, it you know, you're

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from Redwood City. you know the area

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quite well, but you know, Woodside is a

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small town with kind of unique needs and

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interests and just to the extent any of

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us on the council can be helpful to you

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to kind of like share with you any

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history or communicate just what we're

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hearing from residents around traffic

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concerns or um at one point there was a

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spike in burglaries, whatever the case

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may be. We're very, you know, very

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interested in just sharing whatever

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information might be useful.

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>> Absolutely. I I welcome that type of

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partnership. So, thank you. Are

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>> there any members of the public that

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would like to speak?

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>> Okay.

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>> Brandon. Brandon. And my last name is

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Hel.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Well, yeah. And I'll just, you know,

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we'll wrap up. Well, thank you and and

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welcome. Uh we really appreciate hearing

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your vision tonight and uh we look

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forward to working with you to keep

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Woodside safe and well connected. So, uh

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I'm sure as you heard, there are a lot

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of people that would love to spend some

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time with you. So, absolutely. We'll

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look forward to that.

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>> Thank you very much. Thank you for being

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here.

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>> Appreciate.

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>> Take care.

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» Okay. And our other presentation is from

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Peninsula Clean Energy, soon to be

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otherwise named.

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>> Uh thank you, Mayor Dowski, and uh

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members of the council and staff. Thank

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you very much for your time here. Uh my

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name is Rafael Reyes. I'm senior

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director of energy programs for

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Peninsula Clean Energy. Um uh uh what

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I'm going to do is offer a brief update

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on where we are with the organization.

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And as the mayor just mentioned, we are

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going to be announcing a name change. Uh

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and this is on your consent uh agenda.

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Uh I also want to acknowledge uh council

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member Aberish for his service on our uh

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board and really appreciate uh his time

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and contributions there. So thank you

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very much uh for that. Why don't we move

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on to the next slide, please? Uh for

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those of you who may not be familiar

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with Peninsula Clean Energy, we're your

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notfor-profit energy uh provider for San

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Mo County. Um we provide what are what's

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known as the generation services. Uh

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PG&E owns the poles and wires and

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manages the delivery of the electrons as

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it were um to the homes and businesses

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in the service territory including in

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Woodside. And our power is both cleaner

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and at lower rates. um than uh P Gen. So

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there are savings that uh customers

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acrew as a result of being Peninsula

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Clean Energy customers. Next slide

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please.

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Um so Peninsula Clean Energy was formed

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10 years ago. Uh we are a joint powers

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authority created by all the cities

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including the town of Woodside through a

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unanimous vote in 2016. Uh as I

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mentioned earlier, we provide both lower

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cost and cleaner energy um through those

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generation services. And in addition, we

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also do community investments associated

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with clean energy, including the solar

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power here on this uh uh facility uh

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which is projected to save some 140,000

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uh dollars over the life of the system.

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Next slide, please.

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uh for the uh residents and businesses

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here in Woodside. Um over that 10 years,

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uh the uh customers, PCE customers have

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saved uh $2.5 million in that uh 10

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years. Uh and PCE has made over $560,000

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of investments in the community through

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a variety of credits and rebates that

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customers have access to. Next slide,

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please.

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Now our role over that 10 years has

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expanded from not only providing uh

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clean energy at lower costs but also

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increasing the support to the community

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through a variety of programs that have

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been developed over that time. Next

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slide.

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Looking ahead um we are continuing to

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provide a discount uh on the generation

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services. Um we have uh recently also

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issued uh the what are known as the

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member agency grants including here in

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Woodside. Uh in the case of Woodside

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that's $113,000

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for the e garden program which is the

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landscape electrification rebate. Uh

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currently the generation uh discount is

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at 10% relative to PG&E and we look

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forward to later this year rolling out a

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solar and storage program that customers

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here in Woodside may be interested in.

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Next slide please. Uh as the mayor noted

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uh PCE will be changing its name this

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year. In fact, in June, we will have the

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formal broadcast announcement of the N

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uh of the new name, which is West Light

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Energy. The agency is still the same not

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forprofit uh clean energy provider.

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Nothing else changes. Um but we have

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found that there is often confusion

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between PCE

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and PG and E. Um this comes up quite

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regularly. uh and that confusion among

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other things uh has led to a decision to

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rename uh the agency. Again, nothing

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else about the agency will be changing.

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Next slide, please. And so our ask here

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is um per what uh the item on your

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consent agenda is approval of the JPA

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amendment uh with the new name which

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again is really intended to help us

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better communicate to and connect with

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customers including residents and

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businesses here in Woodside. Uh we will

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also have a whole series of events um

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over the course of the year marking our

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10-year anniversary including a policy

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reception in the fall and a variety of

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uh community events and there will be

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further communication on those and we

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hope to have your participation

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and I'm happy to answer any questions

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that you may have.

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>> Very good. Thank you, Raphael. Any

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questions from council?

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>> No questions. I just want to say thank

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you for the great presentation for all

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the work you do.

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>> Thank you very much.

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any members of the public that would

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like to speak on this issue

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» uh in September.

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» You've come to the right community with

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that message. Uh okay. Well, we

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appreciate you being here to uh make the

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presentation and your evolution to West

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Light Energy and uh we will move on to

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consent in just a moment for approval.

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>> Thank you very Thank you.

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All right, I think with that we will

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move on to the consent. So all items on

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the consent calendar are considered

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routine and will be approved by one roll

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call motion unless any member of the

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council or any member of the public

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would like to have a one of those items

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pulled. There's nine items tonight. Are

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there any items on the consent that any

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council member would like to pull? Yes,

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sir.

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>> Item number eight.

550
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>> Commit.

551
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Are there any items that any member of

552
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the public would like us to pull for

553
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further discussion?

554
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Hearing none, can we get a motion to

555
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approve items 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and nine,

556
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please?

557
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>> So moved.

558
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>> Thank you,

559
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,720
>> Council Member Alberish.

560
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>> Yes.

561
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,080
>> Council member Brown.

562
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:48,400
>> Yes.

563
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,280
>> Council member Gold.

564
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:49,600
>> Yes.

565
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,159
>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donowski.

566
00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:54,720
>> Yes. Thank you. and we'll turn it over

567
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to you, council member Brown, on

568
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resolution for the town manager to

569
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execute

570
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an expansion of the contract with good

571
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city.

572
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,960
>> Yeah, I simply wanted to understand a

573
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little bit better what the $20,000 was

574
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going into.

575
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,679
>> Sure, I can answer that and then if I

576
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miss something, I'll turn it over to our

577
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consultants who are here as well. uh we

578
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:19,679
in reviewing the concept drawings that

579
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were you will see later tonight uh

580
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before they the CAC started with verbal

581
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uh meetings and our design team put

582
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together concept drawings that were to

583
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be brought forward and per the timeline

584
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it was going to come back to town

585
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council first and then return to the CAC

586
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and in talking with the consultants and

587
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staff we decided that we added in an

588
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additional CAC meeting uh sorry citizen

589
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advisory committee meeting that uh took

590
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place last Tuesday so that we could get

591
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the feedback uh from that committee on

592
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the concept drawings before we brought

593
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it forward to the town council. And so

594
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the the it took extra work to put that

595
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meeting together and the presentation

596
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attend that meeting and also uh the

597
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consultants reached out to the

598
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stakeholders for the private property

599
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business owners in the town center area

600
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to uh present those ideas and hear

601
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concerns from them.

602
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>> Okay. All right, understand. Thank you.

603
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,720
>> Would you like to motion for eight?

604
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Council member Brown.

605
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>> I move that we approve item eight.

606
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Second,

607
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>> council member Alberish.

608
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>> Yes.

609
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:25,760
>> Council member Brown.

610
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>> Yes.

611
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,039
>> Council member Gold.

612
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:27,280
>> Yes.

613
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,559
>> Council member Wall.

614
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>> Mayor Dowski.

615
00:23:29,919 --> 00:23:32,320
>> Yes. Thank you. All right. Moving right

616
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along. Public hearing item A. So tonight

617
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we're going to have a public hearing on

618
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updating our fee schedule, which is a

619
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continuation from April 14th agenda.

620
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Uh, and this is boomeranging Melissa to

621
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Patty, right? Okay. Welcome, Patty.

622
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,400
» Okay. Hi, my name is Patty Higashioa.

623
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I'm a senior management analyst here at

624
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the town. Um, it's recommended that the

625
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town approve the resolution updating the

626
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user and regulatory fees effective July

627
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1st. Um, I'd like to introduce Terry

628
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Madson. Um he is the president and

629
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principal consultant at Clear Source

630
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,679
Financial Consulting. Um since 2003,

631
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:23,919
Terry has um assisted the town in

632
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,559
preparing our fee schedule, so he'll

633
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give the presentation tonight. Thank

634
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,120
you.

635
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,360
>> Thank you. Welcome, Terry. I think this

636
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,640
is the first time we haven't seen you on

637
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,440
Zoom.

638
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,159
>> Yes.

639
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:35,760
>> Good to have you.

640
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,799
>> Good evening, Mayor.

641
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:37,840
>> You want to pick that up a little bit

642
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240
for you? You don't have to.

643
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,400
Thank you very much.

644
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,240
>> Very good. Well, good evening, mayor and

645
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240
members of the town council. Uh, thank

646
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,520
you for allowing me to speak with you

647
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,120
this evening on this topic. I know you

648
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,120
mentioned you have a full agenda, so I

649
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,200
will u make my way quickly through about

650
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,039
a dozen slides and I'm available to

651
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,640
receive any feedback or questions from

652
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,520
the council. Uh, just by way of

653
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,600
background, we'll we'll uh in terms of a

654
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,960
meeting agenda, we'll talk through the

655
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,039
background regarding user and regulatory

656
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,760
fees and then we'll uh discuss staff's

657
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760
recommendation for this item. um

658
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,039
effective July 1, 2026.

659
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,919
So, by way of background, um next slide,

660
00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:18,720
please. Uh we're dealing with what we

661
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,279
would cons call call user and regulatory

662
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,120
fees. And these are different than

663
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,799
taxes. So, communities primarily use tax

664
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,360
revenues to fund services that provide

665
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,000
broad communitywide benefit. We most

666
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,919
commonly think of these as public safety

667
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:36,400
services, public works services, park

668
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,960
maintenance type services that that we

669
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,799
all access um as needed. And when we see

670
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,120
a direct receiver of service, we use um

671
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,840
regulatory fees or user fees to recover

672
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,520
the cost of providing a service

673
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,640
specifically to uh a member or or

674
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,720
business within the community. Most

675
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,240
commonly we think of this as plan

676
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,039
review, permit fees, um inspection

677
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,240
related fees. Next slide please.

678
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,640
Um what's important to note is that we

679
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,279
are not examining as any part of this

680
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,039
update. The council is not being asked

681
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,799
to consider any sort of adjustments or u

682
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,559
modifications to taxes, any assessments,

683
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:20,960
any utility rates. So, the things that

684
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,279
we we think about and experience most

685
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:29,600
commonly, they are not a subject um of this topic. We're thinking of

686
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,400
service-based most common building

687
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,320
permit type fees, planning entitlement

688
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,440
fees, and so forth. Next slide.

689
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,400
The reason um towns like Woodside and

690
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,400
cities throughout California examine

691
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,279
their fees periodically and charge fees

692
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,080
is the number one reason we examine fees

693
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,240
and go through this mechanism of council

694
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,720
consideration is to comply with legal

695
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,000
requirements. The California

696
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
Constitution and the California

697
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Government Code um outline the process

698
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,360
for fee setting and fee establishment

699
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,600
and the number one criteria is we're not

700
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840
in the profitm business. we're in the

701
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,360
cost recovery um business and so a fee

702
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,279
we don't want to exceed our our cost

703
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:14,400
providing service. When we do recover

704
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,880
fees from the the receiver of service,

705
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,120
we are by definition freeing up the

706
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,799
town's general fund to be used for any

707
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,679
other council priority in terms of uh uh

708
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:27,360
that that you might see fit when

709
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,000
building a budget. And then I think this

710
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320
final bullet point is important. When we

711
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,480
recover our cost of providing service,

712
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,039
we are positioning Woodside to continue

713
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:39,760
to meet the service level expectation of

714
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,840
the community. Next slide, please.

715
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,320
I mentioned this idea that these items

716
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,640
are approved by the town council. That's

717
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,039
why they come before you is because fees

718
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,799
are adopted by the town council. They

719
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,279
are intended to be dynamic. You, as a

720
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,640
matter of process, review fees annually.

721
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,200
um you perform a study periodically and

722
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,880
then you uh do some inflationary

723
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,480
adjustments in between comprehensive

724
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,880
studies but ultimately any fee is

725
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,279
adopted by the town council. Next slide.

726
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,600
In terms of history, the most recent

727
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,679
comprehensive fee study was completed in

728
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,279
2023.

729
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,080
Um in 2020 and and as part of that

730
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,000
adopting resolution, the town council

731
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,399
said we'd like to do this periodically

732
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,080
in the in between years. We'd like to

733
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,320
have fees follow regional cost inflation

734
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,799
with a not to exceed amount. And so

735
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,159
that's what we've been doing for the

736
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:34,559
last couple years. In 2024, there was a

737
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,360
planning fee study. Um but this year is

738
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,279
just an inflationary adjustment with

739
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,760
minor um non-inflationary type

740
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,919
adjustments when we're trying to enhance

741
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:47,360
fee schedule clarity or make it um make

742
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,000
it more clear in terms of service

743
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,880
provided and fee collected. So staff

744
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,279
still intends to perform a comprehensive

745
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,760
type study every 3 to 5 years, but in

746
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,200
these interim years, they're more

747
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,039
inflationary type adjustments. Next

748
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,880
slide.

749
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,480
In terms of what the council is being

750
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,760
asked to consider that would be

751
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,159
effective 2627,

752
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:11,120
the most recent regional cost inflation,

753
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,039
um the metric that has been used for the

754
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:15,679
last several years is the regional CPI.

755
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,480
That amount changed by 2.18%. And so

756
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,000
most of your fees are proposed to be

757
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,880
adjusted by 2.18%. I mentioned there's

758
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200
very there's some other minor uh

759
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,120
non-inflationary adjustments. Next

760
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360
slide.

761
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,279
For this evening, staff recommends the council would complete the public

762
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,799
hearing and consider adopting the

763
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:36,640
updated uh schedule of fees that would

764
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,279
be effective July 1, 2026. Thank you so

765
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:40,960
much for your time and attention.

766
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880
>> Thank you, Terry. Uh any questions from

767
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,240
council?

768
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,799
Uh yes, I have one question uh regarding

769
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,640
road impact fees. Um Woodside has very

770
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360
delicate roadways. I mean, you may not

771
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,480
realize that most of them were stage

772
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,679
coach roads some time ago. Um and I'm

773
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,080
wondering do we get enough road impact

774
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,840
fee uh representing how delicate we are,

775
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,120
how different we are from most of the

776
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840
communities. Um seeing how much heavy

777
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,120
equipment goes through the town every

778
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,840
day. I wish I could give you a good

779
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,919
answer to that. When I mentioned what

780
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,679
we're not examining, I mentioned this

781
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,679
idea of taxes, assessments, utility

782
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:19,840
rates, there was this fourth item that's

783
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,919
in the slide, but I didn't mention it.

784
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:24,000
Impact fees are adopted by separate

785
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,039
legislation, and we are not examining

786
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:28,880
those. So, I wouldn't be qualified to

787
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,520
let you know whether your impact fees as

788
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840
they exist today are sufficient for your

789
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,080
anticipated costs or not. We're dealing

790
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,399
with service based fees. So a human

791
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:41,279
providing service to another human

792
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,880
impact fees are dealing with

793
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,960
infrastructure. What is the cost of the

794
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,640
payment the pavement or the new um

795
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,480
facility to accommodate any future

796
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,880
development? And so it's a it's a

797
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720
completely different world and they are

798
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,640
not being proposed for adjustment via

799
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,279
this item.

800
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,960
>> How do we find out? You would h you

801
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,679
would connect with an expert in

802
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,840
infrastructure costs and impact fees and

803
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,440
they would work with your town engineer

804
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,720
to think about um what is likely future

805
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,640
development, what is the impact of that

806
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,880
development on our town infrastructure

807
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,200
and then you would think through knowing

808
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,840
that do my impact fees are they

809
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640
sufficient to accommodate that? Okay,

810
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,520
>> good. Thank you. Great. Um, other

811
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,200
questions if any from council.

812
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
All right. Any comments from the public

813
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,750
on this item?

814
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Okay, we will close public. Let me just

815
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,679
double check. I didn't mean to. Thank

816
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:44,799
you. Uh, we will close public comment

817
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,039
and uh any deliberation from council.

818
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,279
>> Just my point. I'd like us to look into

819
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,080
the impact fees that were being paid

820
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,679
because I have a suspicion we're not

821
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,519
getting paid enough for all of the

822
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,600
damage being done to our streets with

823
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,830
construction equipment.

824
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Okay.

825
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,600
And then I'll just say obviously we're

826
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,120
in an inflationary environment. We have

827
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760
to be a going concern. So I'm certainly

828
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,799
supportive of of this uh reasonable

829
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,080
proposal of 2.18%.

830
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,919
If there are no other comments, I think

831
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:22,480
we will Can we get a Sorry, can we get a

832
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,760
motion to approve the new fee? Sorry,

833
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,320
let me pull it up. Approve the

834
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,840
resolution to update our regulatory

835
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,640
fees.

836
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,919
>> So moved.

837
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:33,120
>> Second. Council

838
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,080
>> member Alish.

839
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:34,480
>> Yes.

840
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,360
>> Council member Brown.

841
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,679
>> Yes.

842
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:36,960
>> Council member Gold. Yes.

843
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440
>> Council member Wall. Mayor Donowski.

844
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
>> Yes. Very good. Thank you. Thank you,

845
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,679
Patty. Thank you, Terry. Appreciate it.

846
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:48,880
And uh I guess on to new business in the

847
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,440
main event tonight uh which is a

848
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,919
discussion of the town center area plan.

849
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,200
Um before I hand it off to our

850
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,679
consultants uh the council has asked

851
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:02,720
good city not to repeat the page by page

852
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,880
presentations that we've had in the uh

853
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,559
CAC meeting. We're going to go directly

854
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,320
to the summary page to understand what

855
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,080
the CAC is recommending with the

856
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,760
majority

857
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,679
um of support and um then we can use the

858
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:17,200
rest of the report as a reference for

859
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,279
any questions that anybody might have.

860
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:20,880
So the process tonight is going to be

861
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,440
we're going to hear the summary, council

862
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440
will ask questions, then we'll take it

863
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,000
to public comment. Uh and then we'll go

864
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,360
back and um we'll the council will give

865
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200
general direction based on what they

866
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,440
heard and uh and then we'll move on and

867
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,519
we actually made incredible time in the

868
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,000
first part of this meeting. So uh I

869
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,440
actually believe that we're going to get

870
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,799
through this whole thing tonight. So

871
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,559
let's let's see what happens. But we we

872
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,320
might call it after two hours because we

873
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,120
don't uh

874
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,880
we found that some of the best decisions

875
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,320
happen in the first two hours and maybe

876
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,559
not in that third hour. So, um, so I

877
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,840
think with that, I'm handing it off to

878
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,080
our consultants from Good City.

879
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,320
>> Thank you, Mayor Dumbowski, and good

880
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,389
evening, council members. Um,

881
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:08,720
evening.

882
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,399
>> Oh, I was just going to say that tonight

883
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:12,159
before us is a presentation from the

884
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,320
good city on the town center area plan

885
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,839
update, and I'm just going to turn it

886
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:22,869
over to Troy and Ryan and

887
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:26,639
secure. We'll Great. All right.

888
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,159
Well, thank you everyone. Um,

889
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:34,720
and as I said, um, we're, um, we're

890
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,399
excited. I'm really excited to be back

891
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,399
here in front of you all. Um, I was here

892
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,720
about a year ago to introduce and kick

893
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,200
off this project. Um, we've made a lot

894
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,000
of progress since then. So, um, now

895
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,320
we're here to talk about what we've done

896
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,200
and to kind of take a a kind of key

897
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,800
temperature check on some of the

898
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,639
direction we're heading in. So, um,

899
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:58,960
we've got a full agenda. Um, first I'll

900
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,440
share some updates about the project,

901
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,520
uh, what the progress that we've made so

902
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,680
far, what we want to get out of this

903
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,720
project, and what really we heard um, in

904
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,640
our first round of engagement, including

905
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,920
two meetings with the CAC. Then uh Ryan

906
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,160
and I will present some key concepts.

907
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320
We'll try and cut to the chase. Um as

908
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,920
the mayor discussed um we'll divide the

909
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,680
conversation these four topics,

910
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,000
transportation, parking, land use,

911
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640
public space. We'll have a break um

912
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,560
after transportation.

913
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,000
And what we're really looking for

914
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,560
tonight is for council to offer some

915
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,000
preliminary uh feedback and direction on

916
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
these concepts and these strategies that

917
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,040
we've come up with um and that we intend

918
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,640
on sharing with the community. The

919
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,480
larger community is part of our upcoming

920
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,800
round of engagement. Um so just to be

921
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,200
clear, this is not a final decision-m as

922
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,920
far as the area plan, but kind of a a

923
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,240
midcheck on where we're at and if we're

924
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,000
heading in the right direction. Um so

925
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
then we'll have public comment and we'll

926
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,800
have the council discussion um for each

927
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:08,150
of these topics one by one.

928
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,920
So just as a reminder this is an

929
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,520
overview of our schedule for the

930
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
project. As I said we met you know last

931
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
um June with the council to kick off

932
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,839
this effort. Since then we've had a

933
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:21,280
number of stakeholder meetings. We've

934
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,599
had three CAC meetings. uh a number of

935
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,920
popups, a survey, and a workshop. Um as

936
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,760
um town manager just mentioned, we added

937
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,320
the CAC meeting last week um to really

938
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,560
give the the committee the first crack

939
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,280
at at previewing some of these concepts

940
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,040
um before we were going to bring them to

941
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,640
council tonight. So, we added that

942
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,880
meeting um as a special uh sort of

943
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,680
decision to to make them aware of the

944
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,280
concepts we were going to be discussing.

945
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,359
Um so then after tonight we'll be moving

946
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:54,880
to the second round of community

947
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,440
engagement. We'll come back to the CAC

948
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,200
and to the council again before we

949
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,480
initiate the SQA process. And um

950
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,480
according to this pace, we would

951
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,880
anticipate adoption of the plan in um

952
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,109
quarter 1 or quarter two of 2027.

953
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,119
So, just quickly to start off, I'll lay

954
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,079
out some of the policy context. Um, just

955
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,160
as a reminder that kind of guides and

956
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,119
informs our work on this update and I'll

957
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,119
restate some of the outcomes that we

958
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,119
want to get out of this effort so that

959
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:29,119
we're all moving in the same direction

960
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,040
and we're all aligned on what we want to

961
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,240
achieve with this project. Um, and just

962
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,160
as a reminder, you see here this image.

963
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,920
At our first meeting, the council

964
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,480
extended the boundary of the plan. Um,

965
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,480
in both directions along Woodside Road

966
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440
from 280 on the eastern side all the way

967
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,599
to Little Store on the western side. Um,

968
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,680
so that was one of the early moves by

969
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,000
council to influence the direction of

970
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,400
this plan.

971
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,720
Uh, so this slide shows the zoning uh

972
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,720
current zoning in the town center. Uh

973
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,200
most of the area which you see in red is

974
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,760
uh community commercial. A zone that

975
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,119
does not allow multifamily or mixed use.

976
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,760
Two parcels that are in yellow or orange

977
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,920
there are where we are tonight. The town

978
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,280
hall and the adjacent town museum. Um

979
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,119
even though they're rural residential,

980
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,280
there are still some ballot constraints

981
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,960
uh that constrain them from being used

982
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,280
for residential. Then you see village

983
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,680
Helen Green uh which is also constrained

984
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,079
uh by a ballot measure to remain an open

985
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,910
space.

986
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,839
Another important limitation that I

987
00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:35,359
think most of us are aware of but it's

988
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:38,400
worth uh just restating is the measure J

989
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,280
which was adopted in 8 1988 limits the

990
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,320
building heights to 17 ft above the

991
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,839
crown of the road within 100 ft from the

992
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:50,400
edge of Woodside Road. And you see that

993
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,560
area kind of represented in red here. Um

994
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,280
so and it covers essentially mo most of

995
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,599
the privately owned portions of the town

996
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,030
center.

997
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,920
So just to take a quick step back here

998
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,320
are the key outcomes that the

999
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,560
CEC and the community and I think this

1000
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,560
body here this council would all like to

1001
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,200
see out of this update. Um, you know,

1002
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,119
we've talked through this um with the

1003
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:20,640
community at various engagement

1004
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,160
opportunities and then also again with

1005
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560
the CAC. Um, they've had multiple

1006
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400
opportunities to kind of weigh in on

1007
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,320
these different points. Um, and their

1008
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,839
feedback's been incorporated in this

1009
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,160
list. Um, but I'll briefly just go over

1010
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,320
these, you know, building consensus

1011
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
around a shared vision. Very important

1012
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,440
to us um to come out of this effort with

1013
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,720
um kind of forward momentum around ideas

1014
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,200
we all agree on. uh prioritizing the

1015
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,640
concerns of residents and local

1016
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,119
stakeholders over those of the out

1017
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,920
outside visitors. Maintaining the rural

1018
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,079
equestrian centric and small town

1019
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,040
character, something that was, you know,

1020
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,640
repeated over and over through all of

1021
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960
our engagement. uh improving the safe

1022
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,520
movement through and around the town

1023
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,440
center for all different modes,

1024
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,599
facilitating seasonal outdoor dining,

1025
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,200
fostering a few additional public

1026
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,800
gathering spaces, improving the

1027
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,599
aesthetic appeal of the of the area, uh

1028
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,240
providing more guidance on the character

1029
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,920
and the design that we want to see of

1030
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,320
buildings in the town center. Enabling

1031
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,440
the long-term success economically of

1032
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,320
local businesses. expanding the uses

1033
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,240
that we have in the town center to

1034
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,480
better serve our needs, offering more

1035
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,640
flexibility to land owners, which

1036
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,359
includes exploring residential use, and

1037
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:37,359
finally enhancing the revenue generating

1038
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,760
capacity of the town center um to help

1039
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,670
with the town's budget.

1040
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,520
All right, with that, I'll go through

1041
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,839
quickly uh what we heard in the first

1042
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,680
round of engagement. So, basically what

1043
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,200
we've been up to to for the better part

1044
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,359
of a year. Um that includes uh as I said

1045
00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:58,960
we had an extensive round of engagement.

1046
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,599
We had four popups all across um the

1047
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,440
town center. We had a very successful

1048
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,319
survey. Over 500 people responded to the

1049
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,000
survey. The vast majority of those were

1050
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,240
residents of Woodside. We had an open

1051
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,640
house at the elementary school which uh

1052
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,079
drew in a lot of families with school

1053
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,440
age children. Overall we had over 700 um

1054
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,680
touches of different folks in the

1055
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
community. Um, on top of that sort of

1056
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,480
broader outreach, we also had three

1057
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920
really productive meetings with our

1058
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,440
community advisory committee. The last

1059
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,560
one being just a week ago. Um, and as I

1060
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,000
said before, their participation has

1061
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,319
been really um, integral in the um, in

1062
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:38,560
shaping the concepts and the policies we

1063
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,720
were going to be discussing tonight. Um,

1064
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,240
and we'll be repeating most of these

1065
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,839
engagement activities in the next round

1066
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,160
of engagement which will begin shortly

1067
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,400
after this meeting.

1068
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Uh so just as an example of some of the

1069
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,480
feedback from our online survey, we

1070
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,400
asked uh for folks to rank which

1071
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,640
improvements were the most important.

1072
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,760
And so some of the top vote getters were

1073
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,160
um improvements to parking, uh

1074
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960
pedestrian safety, the diversity of

1075
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,280
businesses, public spaces, public

1076
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,400
amenities, and traffic safety. Um so

1077
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,599
those were some of the things that

1078
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,880
people really um were looking for to be

1079
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,480
improved and enhanced in the town

1080
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,079
center. Some other things people

1081
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,000
mentioned were outdoor dining,

1082
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,760
family-friendly spaces, um a focus on

1083
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,359
resident serving businesses were some of

1084
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:26,640
the other things that came up in the

1085
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960
survey.

1086
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,200
So, we asked about uh housing in the

1087
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
survey and um we found that it's pretty

1088
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,480
evenly split um about 4040 um in in both

1089
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,880
cases and overall some of the opinions

1090
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,359
are a bit polarized about about this

1091
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:45,680
topic. Um but there are those who

1092
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
support housing are in favor of more

1093
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,040
modest and smallcale housing, housing

1094
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,880
for local workforce um and and aging

1095
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,720
residents. Uh it's a way to serve the

1096
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,640
community's needs and to help the town

1097
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,800
sort of economically and those who are

1098
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,359
more opposed um you know raised concerns

1099
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:08,720
around um character around housing um

1100
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,240
negatively impacting the small town

1101
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,200
character, traffic and infrastructure.

1102
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Um and then there are a lot of those who

1103
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,119
are in this kind of not sure, curious,

1104
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,480
cautiously optimistic bucket um who sort

1105
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,760
of conditionally um supported housing

1106
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,680
depending on if it's sort of designed

1107
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,599
right, the scale is right, it's

1108
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:31,520
appropriate to the context. Um

1109
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,920
so kind of as a summary of all the

1110
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,240
engagement which again was across a

1111
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:37,680
number of different activities and

1112
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,800
locations um there we we did find a

1113
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,400
general agreement on the priorities for

1114
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,319
the town center. The first is really

1115
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:47,520
preserve what makes Woodside unique um

1116
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,680
which is the kind of unique combination

1117
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,480
of rural, equestrian and small town. All

1118
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,440
those three things being important kind

1119
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,720
of pieces of of the town center. Um it's

1120
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,160
a place that you know brings people

1121
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960
together um while we're still

1122
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,119
maintaining that character. Uh the

1123
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,520
second kind of pillar is invigorating

1124
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,599
community life and that as I mentioned

1125
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,240
before starts with outdoor dining, more

1126
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,640
gathering spaces, more local events and

1127
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,720
programming. Um a place that's vibrant

1128
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,520
while still being rural. Um a place to

1129
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,200
meet your neighbors and enjoy community

1130
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560
gatherings. um more public spaces and

1131
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,040
more outdoor life. The third pillar and

1132
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,720
the fourth pillar both revolve really

1133
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,800
around transportation. Transportation,

1134
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,960
one of the biggest topics that came up

1135
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,200
um in our discussions with the CAC and

1136
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,160
with the general community. Um the the

1137
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,240
idea of safety and comfort really

1138
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,440
addressing the speed and crossings and

1139
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,040
visibility.

1140
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,920
um an an emphasis on sort of lower

1141
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,480
smaller scale interventions rather than

1142
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,920
big big moves. Um but interventions that

1143
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,920
enhance the sort of the safety and the

1144
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,800
beauty of the town center. Um and

1145
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,880
enhancing that access for all the users,

1146
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,839
not just one type of user. Um but again

1147
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,720
while keeping natural services, natural

1148
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,560
types of interventions that reflect

1149
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,040
Woodside. And the last pillar is about

1150
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,440
the economy um support for local

1151
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,359
businesses and while still some interest

1152
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:22,720
um in in finding sort of missing re

1153
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,760
retail niches that we could fill um in

1154
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
the future.

1155
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,319
Uh so as I mentioned we had a few

1156
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:32,560
meetings with the CAC. Um some of the

1157
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,960
key takeaways again really echo some of

1158
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,880
the previous points but the idea that

1159
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,240
the preservation of the existing

1160
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,839
character is really important.

1161
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:42,800
circulation was really I would say

1162
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,720
undoubtedly the top interest and top

1163
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,880
priority for the CAC. We spent a whole

1164
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,640
sort of additional meeting just on that

1165
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,000
topic. Um as I mentioned support for

1166
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
outdoor dining and creating um some new

1167
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,760
gathering spaces. Uh when it comes to

1168
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,839
parking, we'll circle around on this

1169
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,680
later, but interest in parking

1170
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,520
management and parking enforcement in

1171
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,680
particular um with a goal of making sure

1172
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,280
that parking spaces are um reserved for

1173
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,079
residents rather than visitors. Um and

1174
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,920
there was, I would say, overall sort of

1175
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,400
cautious support for uh two-story

1176
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,599
mixeduse housing and and mixeduse

1177
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,160
development. And there were also lots of

1178
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,040
ideas for housing opportunity sites um

1179
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,720
outside of the plan area that were

1180
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,839
brought up in the discussion.

1181
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:31,520
All right,

1182
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,760
so with that um now we'll jump into kind

1183
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,440
of a topic by topic overview and I'll

1184
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,160
hand it over to Ryan.

1185
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400
>> Thanks Troy. Thank you town council and

1186
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,440
mayor. Appreciate your time tonight. Uh

1187
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,359
this is an explorative process. you

1188
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:49,200
know, we reach out to the community, the

1189
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,319
CAC, yourselves. We hear a lot of

1190
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:53,839
statements and opinions that always

1191
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:55,920
don't coales. You don't start at

1192
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,720
consensus, you build consensus. And so,

1193
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,560
our job is to take all these things,

1194
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,000
create visual exhibits, and have uh the

1195
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
kind folks like yourself beat them up.

1196
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,680
So, that's what we're here to do

1197
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
tonight. We had a really, really great

1198
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,640
vibrant discussion with the CAC. We

1199
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,280
learned a great deal from that. uh and

1200
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,440
we've distilled some new ideas into the

1201
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,280
set responding to what we heard from

1202
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,839
them and then our next step is to hear

1203
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,599
from you uh and then take your feedback

1204
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,359
uh refine and then go out to the

1205
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,680
community for our next steps. So again,

1206
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,800
thank you again tonight. Uh next slide.

1207
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,720
So we'll be talking about transportation

1208
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,720
mobility and streetscapes. So this

1209
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,040
addresses the need for pedestrian safety

1210
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,599
which is one of the priorities um

1211
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,720
gathering spaces, placem and then also

1212
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,800
making sure that the changes we make to

1213
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,520
any of the vehicle movements um or other

1214
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,200
modes of transit such as horses and

1215
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,640
bikes are also uh for the better. Next

1216
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,720
slide.

1217
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,359
So these were some of the big um areas

1218
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:01,680
that we were asked to focus on. Of

1219
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,680
course, kind of the heart of your town

1220
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,599
is the intersection of Woodside and

1221
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,319
Kinyatta uh and Mountain Home. It's a

1222
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:10,640
challenging it's a wide expanse of

1223
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,960
asphalt and the pedestrian movements are

1224
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,000
not super clear. That was one area to

1225
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,520
address.

1226
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,920
Uh and then also looking for the full

1227
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,839
length of Woodside

1228
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:25,359
is making it easier and safer to cross.

1229
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:27,440
Uh and then looking at traffic speeds

1230
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,760
around the school. And we've also

1231
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,440
learned to look at the traffic speeds

1232
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,800
behind uh the shops and restaurants

1233
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,559
along Woodside Avenue uh through the

1234
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,240
parking lot. Um uh pathways to the north

1235
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,760
side of Woodside Road. Um the parking uh

1236
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,680
condition at just the corner where you

1237
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,640
turn on the mountain home and then

1238
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,800
looking at some of the left turn lane uh

1239
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,599
movements out of Whiskey Hill. Uh, one

1240
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,160
of the challenges uh is as a pedestrian

1241
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,680
to safely travel from maybe your office

1242
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,839
to the grocery store. How can we make

1243
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:04,480
that more attractive, enticing, and keep

1244
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,240
people from getting in their car and

1245
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,960
instead taking a walk to do uh some of

1246
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,839
their needs from their place of work to

1247
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:16,950
uh the the shopping. Next slide.

1248
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,960
So, uh we organized our study areas from

1249
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,520
uh west to east. So, starting off with

1250
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,240
Woodside Road, uh, from really, uh, a

1251
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,280
little beyond Little Store into Robert's

1252
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,359
uh, Grocery and then looking at the

1253
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:35,680
intersection of Kinyatta and Woodside

1254
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,400
Road and then on to the central stretch

1255
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,160
of Woodside Road and then the

1256
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,559
intersection at Whiskey Hill and then up

1257
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,309
to Woodside Road.

1258
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,160
Next slide.

1259
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,559
And so uh I was told that you spent

1260
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:53,200
hours and hours pouring over the slides

1261
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,119
absorbing the concepts that I could be

1262
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,040
very brief tonight. So I will respect

1263
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,680
that and be very brief tonight and we

1264
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,559
can come back and have uh as much depth

1265
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,040
in the discussion as you would like. So

1266
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,359
next slide. Uh so the area A which

1267
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:13,119
stretches from little store or up to

1268
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,599
Robert's grocery kind of three concepts

1269
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,160
here. These are mostly to orient you to

1270
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,960
where these concepts happen. Uh you know

1271
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,119
the first is really let's enhance the

1272
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,559
safety as much as possible uh around

1273
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:31,200
Woodside Elementary School. Next slide.

1274
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,880
Uh the second stretch was um or concept

1275
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,880
two. This is looking at how do we make

1276
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,400
the north side of Woodside Road more

1277
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,040
consistent, more uh more pedestrian

1278
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,119
friendly, and creating a pedestrian

1279
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,599
pathway really on both sides. And then

1280
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,720
also formalizing uh separated bike lanes

1281
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,440
on both sides of the travel lanes. You

1282
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,200
know, there's a couple spots where trees

1283
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,640
get in the way, but for the most part,

1284
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,720
it's possible. Um, next slide.

1285
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,800
So this shows the condition around

1286
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,000
little store. And the other issue that

1287
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,800
is apparent is it's a little

1288
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,880
unclear where you can park and where you

1289
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,920
can't park. And just getting clarity by

1290
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,319
looking at surveys and documenting

1291
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,319
what's public right away and what's not

1292
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,880
and getting signage up so people know if

1293
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,400
they're parking in the right or they're

1294
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,400
parking in the wrong. So that clarity is

1295
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,720
really important. Um, and then just

1296
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,720
looking at ways of near narrowing the

1297
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,200
travel lanes so we can accommodate safe

1298
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,480
bike movement and and most importantly I

1299
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,319
think in the lowest hanging fruit is

1300
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,240
upgrading the pedestrian path on the

1301
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,520
south side of the street um going west

1302
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,839
beyond the school. Next slide.

1303
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:51,119
So the CAC feedback was um yes on the

1304
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,400
concept one you know as many uh traffic

1305
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,920
coming uh devices as we can do. The one

1306
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,680
thing that was not wellreceived are

1307
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,960
speed bumps. Um but looking at speed

1308
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,280
tables that are carefully designed to

1309
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,920
take into consideration truck trailers,

1310
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,400
horse trailers, things like that is

1311
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,240
important. uh the north side multi-

1312
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,960
youth pass uh path was uh you know there

1313
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,480
was support for the concept but there's

1314
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,960
also acknowledgement that the drainage

1315
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,000
and uh the irregular conditions there

1316
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,760
might make that very expensive and

1317
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,800
difficult to achieve and so looking at

1318
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,520
that block by block but that was kind of

1319
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,440
more lukewarm

1320
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,839
uh and then concept three is getting

1321
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:39,920
absolute clarity on where you can park

1322
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,520
and where you

1323
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,760
uh was wellreceived.

1324
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,839
So, I thought we'd stop there and hear

1325
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:47,359
your thoughts before we go on to the

1326
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:47,920
next session.

1327
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,599
>> Awesome. Thank you. Any questions from

1328
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,839
council on area A?

1329
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:57,359
Yeah, I would I'd like to understand

1330
00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:59,440
what other experience other communities

1331
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,119
that you worked with have had with any

1332
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,400
changes pre-post implementation of

1333
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,920
programs in pedestrian and bicycle usage

1334
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,920
downtown or in the area that you're

1335
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,359
working in. We have a lot of

1336
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,520
presumptions here that we're going to

1337
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,559
build all these bike paths and walking

1338
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,280
paths and I'd like to understand how

1339
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,960
many people will really use those.

1340
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,599
>> Yeah, I think that that's a it's a fair

1341
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:31,280
question. Uh Alta is going to do uh a

1342
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,240
pedestrian survey. Uh is that tomorrow

1343
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,559
or this week? This this morning. So, our

1344
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,040
transportation consultant is actually

1345
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,520
spending time looking at how people

1346
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,280
actually use your streets and path. Um,

1347
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,640
some of the things that we learned from

1348
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,599
our community outreach was a consistent

1349
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,559
concern among citizens about the

1350
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,720
difficulty of walking from one zone to

1351
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,359
another. So looking at general, you

1352
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:03,359
know, what's basically good practices

1353
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,760
for uh urban design, pedestrian,

1354
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,720
multimodal, bike, uh and in this case,

1355
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,240
equestrian

1356
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,880
uh uses. Uh it's really trying to find

1357
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,440
that balance between traffic speeds,

1358
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,599
lane widths for cars with uh you know uh

1359
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,800
widths for sidewalks uh and and bike

1360
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,599
facilities that are safer for all three

1361
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,520
to make them more inviting to all ages.

1362
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,240
And so we work in various cities all

1363
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:32,400
throughout the Bay Area. And these are

1364
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,559
generally directives that many cities

1365
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,520
are pursuing to encourage more people

1366
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,319
safer travel in those other than car

1367
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:42,800
modes of transportation.

1368
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,240
>> You've encouraged it, but has have you

1369
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,400
actually seen results? Has it actually

1370
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,040
happened?

1371
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, Berkeley. Um, and I know

1372
00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:55,040
this isn't Berkeley. Clearly, it's a big city, but they went from

1373
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,040
streets that were actually quite bike

1374
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,760
unfriendly and dangerous in an area

1375
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,440
where there are a lot of bikes and

1376
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,200
pedestrians, and they've done uh an exa

1377
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:06,960
aggressive transformation of their

1378
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,160
streets to accommodate uh protected bike

1379
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
lanes. And they're getting a lot more

1380
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,000
people on bikes. and it's mostly serving

1381
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
the immediate there's a lot of single

1382
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,839
family home neighborhoods just directly

1383
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:22,640
adjacent to the downtown core and those

1384
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,480
people are finding number one it's

1385
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,359
expensive to park in Berkeley and so

1386
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,160
they can take their bike and on those

1387
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040
safe tracks with their kids into town

1388
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,440
easier than they could prior and they

1389
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,680
feel safer doing it. There's also a high

1390
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,599
density of student population there that

1391
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,200
uses their bike quite a bit. Um so NATO

1392
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,319
is one of our um guidelines for bike

1393
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:49,359
safety design that we're using. Um but

1394
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:51,920
it also addresses good you know the

1395
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,240
where where pedestrians, bikes and cars

1396
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,040
intersect requires a lot of attention so

1397
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,920
that you don't have collisions in those.

1398
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,520
>> I'm familiar with Berkeley situation. So

1399
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,119
yeah, I understand what you're saying.

1400
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,440
Thank you. Um the other the other thing

1401
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,640
I wanted to ask you to to flesh out more

1402
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,640
the next couple rounds and that's going

1403
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,319
to be on parking.

1404
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:16,079
>> You have under area two parking and you

1405
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,960
got four ideas there. Um, but I would

1406
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,960
love to see at least a couple of those

1407
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,599
explored extensively because we've

1408
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,640
talked on and on as a community um about

1409
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,240
doing something about all the parking

1410
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,640
because it's a mess, but nothing's

1411
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,480
happened. And I really want to see

1412
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,319
something come out of these meetings

1413
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:39,920
that that says meaningful action. And I think your ideas here are good ones.

1414
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,480
Um, I think one person in this room I

1415
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,920
know would probably agree with me on

1416
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,599
some of those ideas. Um,

1417
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,839
No, I voted but not at all.

1418
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:52,160
>> Okay. Well, she has a big voice in this.

1419
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,920
So, I just urge you to try to come to

1420
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,319
some concrete recommendations for us to

1421
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:57,119
deal with.

1422
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:57,760
>> Great.

1423
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,960
>> Thank you, Council Member Wall.

1424
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,920
>> I wanted to ask about uh concept one,

1425
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,880
the traffic calming. Um can you say a

1426
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,359
little bit about what the implementation

1427
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,200
path would be to for that because I I

1428
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,520
mean it is a a highway and I and

1429
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,319
controlled by CALR. So, um, if we wanted

1430
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:18,720
to make these changes, what would the

1431
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,599
process for that look like?

1432
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,280
>> Yeah, I think that's a good question.

1433
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,480
Um, so we already met, um, along with

1434
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,040
the town, we we met with Calrans early

1435
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,480
on. um as we were developing these

1436
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
concepts to touch base with them.

1437
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,040
Obviously, like you say, uh Woodside

1438
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Roads controlled by CALR. So, most

1439
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,079
anything that we ultimately will do

1440
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,079
would would require some buy off on

1441
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,040
their end. Um

1442
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,920
so, that would be the first step after

1443
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,440
assuming we go through this process. So

1444
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,319
first we're going to go through this

1445
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:53,839
process and if we all agree on this

1446
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:55,359
direction then that will become sort of

1447
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:57,680
the policy direction of this plan is a

1448
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,960
series of trafficcoming interventions

1449
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,880
additional research and exploration

1450
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,559
probably what would happen would be um

1451
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,720
there would be a more focused corridor

1452
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,760
plan like a blockby-block plan for this

1453
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,680
area. We're kind of looking at it at a

1454
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,079
high level at a conceptual level um at a

1455
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,119
policy level. Um but so this plan is not

1456
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,160
like um you know a detailed construction

1457
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,559
level analysis of this corridor but what

1458
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,960
would happen is we would commission that

1459
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,119
type of study and then Calrans would be

1460
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,440
brought in CALR would likely do their

1461
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,799
own analysis. They have their own

1462
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,599
process for reviewing these um types of

1463
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,079
interventions. Um and then these would

1464
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:42,240
be deployed um again depending on if

1465
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,559
this the town was to acquire or go after

1466
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,319
some safe routes to schools grants those

1467
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,799
could be phased in over time. Um the

1468
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:50,160
implementation I think would depend

1469
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,520
largely on CALR's acceptance of these

1470
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,440
treatments. They've become much more

1471
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,839
accepting of these kinds of programs um

1472
00:58:57,839 --> 00:58:59,920
and safe rest to schools is is very

1473
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,160
popular um across the state. And then

1474
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,520
the other piece of the implementation

1475
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,760
would be the funding. Um, I don't know

1476
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,200
if there are any I don't think any of

1477
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,400
these are specifically in this town's um

1478
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,160
capital improvements plan at the moment,

1479
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,839
but that gets updated on a regular

1480
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,400
basis. Um, so I don't know if that that

1481
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,559
could be these improvements could be

1482
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,839
funded through grants or future CIPs

1483
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:23,920
depending on what the town public works

1484
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,760
decides to prioritize or go after from a

1485
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,319
grant standpoint.

1486
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,480
>> Um, I also had a question about concept

1487
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,559
2. So it sounds like that was met with

1488
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:34,799
some lukewarm support but some concerns

1489
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,880
about the cost and I think on one of the

1490
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,599
other slides it indicated that more more

1491
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,000
diligence was needed. Um and I know this

1492
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,559
is also something that the circulation

1493
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,400
committee has looked into and I believe

1494
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,160
they were also doing some more diligence

1495
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,520
on the costs. Is that diligence now

1496
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,079
being done and is that being facilitated

1497
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:58,160
in any way by by your firm?

1498
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,119
um that's not really in our scope to do

1499
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,960
that level of detail. I think what we

1500
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
can do is

1501
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,400
maybe try and take a stab at um a high

1502
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,640
level like cost, but we're not going to

1503
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,559
be able to get in and do a level of

1504
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,160
detail um analysis that you would need

1505
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,480
to really know like tree by tree. Um but

1506
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,000
one of the recommendations that could

1507
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,079
come out of this effort is to do exactly

1508
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,599
that

1509
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,480
to to do another more detailed um look

1510
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,520
at it. I think here this process is more

1511
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,599
going to establish the policy direction

1512
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,599
of whether or not we want to try to

1513
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,880
do a certain facility intervention in

1514
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,119
this case being a trail or or a bike

1515
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,040
lane. So here we would establish the

1516
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,799
direction and then we would there would

1517
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:50,160
be an additional effort to look at to

1518
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,240
probably do some surveying because it

1519
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,680
would it would require I think some

1520
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,000
pretty detailed fine tooth comb looking

1521
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,680
at where the property lines are and

1522
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,280
where utilities are. I think the

1523
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,040
utilities and the drainage are where

1524
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,400
there would be some challenges here but

1525
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,400
we could come up with conceptual

1526
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,400
direction and conceptual design in this

1527
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,079
process but then there would be a

1528
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,640
follow-up needed.

1529
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,359
>> Thank you.

1530
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:14,720
Uh, other questions?

1531
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,200
>> I have one.

1532
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,400
>> Yes, sir.

1533
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,119
>> So, for the path on the north side of

1534
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,599
Woodside Road that we were just uh

1535
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,839
talking about. So, I remember when it

1536
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,720
came before us, I believe the estimated

1537
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,640
cost was something like $2 million and

1538
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,720
it sounded like there's other options

1539
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,559
that you could look at like um to reduce

1540
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,240
that cost. Can you explain a little bit

1541
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,240
like what that would look like? how how

1542
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,319
we could get around uh lower cost and

1543
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:43,680
how much lower I mean I I understand you

1544
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,760
can't give any specifics but just kind

1545
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,880
of ballpark

1546
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,040
>> so for our particular exercise we're

1547
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,359
really assessing whether what is the

1548
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,520
strength and advocacy for this vision

1549
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,720
amongst the community and yourselves and

1550
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,240
CAC

1551
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,720
um but we can see that there are some

1552
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,160
potential pitfalls uh the storm drain uh

1553
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,280
situation is is challenging requires

1554
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,640
civil engineer uh to assess and then

1555
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,640
there'd be a variety of different

1556
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,799
solutions which are outside of my

1557
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:18,079
expertise that would you know give you

1558
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,040
longer term benefits but perhaps a

1559
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,200
higher investment cost in the near term.

1560
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,960
There would be options where you might

1561
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,680
get a wider nicer sidewalk but it might

1562
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,400
come with a higher uh subterranean

1563
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,839
infrastructure cost. Uh so there's a lot of discussion about what

1564
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:38,240
are the tradeoffs for these things and

1565
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:39,920
long-term and short-term that would be

1566
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,280
part of that process. Um the other parts

1567
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,280
that would require a lot of I think

1568
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,119
sensitivity would be how um when cars

1569
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,280
approach the corner of intersections,

1570
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,119
intersecting roads, what are the

1571
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,280
visibility constraints? How do we need

1572
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,839
to open things up? it might require some

1573
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:01,280
removal of visual obstacles which could

1574
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,520
have leaves on them, things like that.

1575
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,520
So, um this is really about if if the

1576
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,760
community yourselves and the CAC

1577
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,280
strongly believe that this is a priority

1578
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,280
then then that helps um support an

1579
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,599
initiative to do that deep dive. The

1580
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,079
takeback, the takeaway from our CAC

1581
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:26,000
meeting is that the southside trail is

1582
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,839
pretty easy to implement, you know,

1583
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,920
beyond the school, even past little

1584
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,280
store. That should be a high priority.

1585
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,720
The more expensive um options such as

1586
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,400
this might be a secondary priority to

1587
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,720
getting that first one tackled.

1588
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,960
>> Thank you.

1589
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,240
>> I can ask a quick question. So is a is

1590
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,920
an is an extension of the southside path

1591
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,680
part of concept one.

1592
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:57,680
>> Uh

1593
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,559
it can be uh you know this is basically

1594
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,640
these are a collection of ideas and you

1595
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,400
can there's multiple ideas in each

1596
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,079
concept and you can pick and pull the

1597
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:09,680
ones that you think are of the highest

1598
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,640
priority. I think generally we feel that

1599
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,440
the improvement of that southside

1600
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,920
um trail is is important to make it a

1601
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,000
little more formalized. It's quite good

1602
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,920
leading all the way from downtown uh

1603
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,400
from from the the village center to the

1604
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,200
school, but going beyond that it gets a

1605
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:34,069
little amorphous and less defined.

1606
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,640
» Uh does concept 3 block concept 2 in any

1607
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,400
way? Meaning, does the parking get get

1608
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,720
in the way of a north side trail?

1609
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,880
>> Is that is that the choice that we have

1610
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:43,520
to make?

1611
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,559
>> It definitely could, but this is where

1612
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,039
we really need to and it's not obvious

1613
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,520
when you stand out there where private

1614
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,119
property stops and where public property

1615
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,760
starts. So, the challenge is people have

1616
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,319
claimed it. They've put pieces of wood

1617
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:02,160
or different things out there to say

1618
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,119
this is not public property. And this is

1619
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:08,160
where I think um there aren't the usual

1620
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,160
kind of obvious indicators such as

1621
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,799
fences and and things like that. So

1622
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:15,680
there needs to be a survey. And then the

1623
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,400
other part it has to coincide with is

1624
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,880
CALR accepting 11T lanes um that allows

1625
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,520
the 5-ft bike facility and then kind of

1626
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,359
working from the center line of the road

1627
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:29,680
out to see what kind of dimension we

1628
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,000
have left until we hit that private

1629
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,920
property line.

1630
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,920
So there is a bit it's a bit

1631
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,400
interconnected and I think if you do a

1632
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,039
survey to determine what's public right

1633
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,720
away and what's private right away

1634
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,000
through there uh it'll be much clearer

1635
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,240
what you you can achieve.

1636
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,720
>> And in general uh rightway is what 18 ft

1637
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,520
off the center basically or what is it?

1638
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,039
>> Uh

1639
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,559
oh 46 from edge to edge but that's from

1640
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:02,799
property edge to property edge. um 23

1641
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:05,119
feet off the center way for for a

1642
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:07,200
highway for state highway.

1643
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,079
>> Yeah. And the the the thing that's

1644
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:11,680
interesting about this design is we got

1645
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,039
feedback early on saying the bike lanes

1646
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:18,160
had to have just a stripe se separating

1647
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,880
them so that in the case of fire or

1648
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,359
other things, fire trucks have full

1649
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:28,319
access of the 16 feet of asphalt there.

1650
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,319
Um,

1651
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,319
okay. Any other questions?

1652
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:34,400
>> Uh, just a quick observation and and a

1653
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,520
question. I wanted to talk about those

1654
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,680
dimensions. First of all, you guys have

1655
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,599
been doing great job. I think about a

1656
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,119
third of the people here have been in

1657
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:42,880
those meetings and it's pretty

1658
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,960
impressive to see. And also I think that

1659
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,200
um though your presentation is sort of

1660
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,319
in summary format it really doesn't the

1661
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:52,319
um the back and forth that was going on

1662
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,160
there where we where the group started

1663
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,240
and where it ended up where I mean it

1664
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,559
was um pretty chaotic at times I think

1665
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,280
but um we ended up at least here in

1666
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,880
front of the council with this um

1667
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,359
the um as you alluded to there's all

1668
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,520
these competing issues like the bike

1669
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,520
lanes getting I know that there was

1670
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,039
advocacy to make them bigger and that

1671
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:14,000
sort of thing. And then of course we

1672
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,280
need the fire trucks have to have

1673
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,280
certain room and big trucks come through

1674
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:18,880
and the the equestrian community said,

1675
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,240
"Gee, I come through here with a big

1676
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,079
trailer with my horses and I need more

1677
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,000
room." So we've got all these moving

1678
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,280
parts here that we have to wrestle

1679
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,760
through. Um is there a way and I know

1680
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,200
this came up Steve Luben's here. He

1681
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,319
actually I think he may have been the

1682
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:34,000
person who brought this up. um about he

1683
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,039
not combining the bike and the multi-use

1684
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:40,000
but somehow you know shoehorning them in

1685
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,599
there and I guess you've just got this

1686
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,760
limited dimension that you really you

1687
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,520
know you got to allocate something to

1688
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,440
cars and trucks on a state highway. How

1689
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,359
do you wrestle with that? I mean could

1690
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:52,000
we end up with a single multi, you know,

1691
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,720
for bike and pedestrians so that we can

1692
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,400
make it work or is that just I mean we run into the wall on that and you

1693
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,160
just can't do that. It's a great

1694
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,760
discussion and I think there are a

1695
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,200
number of different tradeoffs that come

1696
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,079
with it. Part of it is some cycle you

1697
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,240
might end up with two-way bike traffic

1698
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,640
on one side for the people that follow

1699
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,960
the rules and then you might have the

1700
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,520
kind of high-speed cyclists that prefer

1701
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,679
not engaging other cyclists at close

1702
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:20,799
quarters driving out in the road. So it

1703
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:22,880
might you might end up in the situation

1704
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,759
where your your bikes end up in almost

1705
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:29,520
too many places. Um, but I think it's an

1706
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,120
it's it was an idea that we hadn't

1707
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,799
considered. It's an interesting idea to

1708
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:35,679
look at. Um, one of the challenges

1709
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:38,080
coming up beyond the school after you've

1710
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,000
passed the school, so there's a large

1711
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,759
tree that forces the bike traffic really

1712
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:47,199
in the lane. And so if you had both

1713
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,759
directions of bike traffic, we'd need to

1714
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:51,120
figure out how to get them to cross

1715
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,759
Woodside Road at some point to

1716
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,560
transition. And that comes with some

1717
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,000
certain uh difficulties. But the one

1718
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,839
positive thing I'll say about that

1719
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:03,920
scheme though is you have a very long

1720
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,839
stretch um after the school um and a

1721
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:09,600
very wide shoulder that you could

1722
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,839
explore having a really generous two-way

1723
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:15,920
bike lane that I think for maybe the non

1724
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,839
um competitive cyclist uh might be very

1725
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,080
attractive to families and and folks

1726
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,440
heading to the school.

1727
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:26,319
>> Okay. Thank you.

1728
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,199
>> Right. I think with that we will uh open

1729
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,679
up public comment on area A. Does

1730
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:33,279
anybody have a public comment that they

1731
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,279
would make like to make on this on this

1732
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:36,960
issue?

1733
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,279
A lot of people are here parking. Okay.

1734
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:41,440
Hello Steve Luben.

1735
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:45,520
>> Surprise surprise. Um I I um I think

1736
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,040
really there's a issue of space. I I

1737
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,640
think that it would be great to have the

1738
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:56,320
sidewalk on the north side, but it's um

1739
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,560
I you know, if there's enough room to

1740
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,120
put bike lanes on both sides, then I

1741
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,719
think it makes sense to put the

1742
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,400
sidewalks on both sides, but I'm not

1743
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,719
sure there is everywhere. And um I I

1744
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:11,280
have from at least the part from the

1745
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,520
school to Roberts I think it's limited

1746
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,239
enough so that if you have uh you know

1747
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,239
good bike lanes and good there just

1748
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,560
isn't enough room and that it takes

1749
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,760
actually less room to have a a shared

1750
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:31,280
path like Troy was talking about that's you know a shared a shared

1751
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,000
two-way path states and federal

1752
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,159
standards is 12 feet wide. what we have

1753
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:39,360
there is 5T now. And so we end up with

1754
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,360
really a dangerous situation for kids,

1755
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,520
especially in the afternoon heading from

1756
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,480
the school to the store. The kids will

1757
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:49,360
ride their bikes and come up to to

1758
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:55,520
pedestrians and then veer out into the traffic and and um that isn't

1759
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,920
as dangerous eastbound because the cars

1760
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,400
are going slow. If that were replicated

1761
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,560
in the other direction, I think it would

1762
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,280
be really dangerous because the bicycles

1763
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,880
are going up up up uphill

1764
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,239
and are going slower. Uh so I you know I

1765
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,080
think it's really a matter of of space

1766
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,520
and I think you can get a I have a I

1767
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,679
think it needs careful study but I think

1768
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:22,000
there's a good chance that having a

1769
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,960
shared you know a 12t wide shared

1770
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,080
facility on the south side with frequent

1771
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,440
crosswalks and and and and crosswalk

1772
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,480
tables uh and and just enough on the

1773
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,159
north side to get people to the

1774
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,640
crosswalks might end up with a better

1775
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,800
facility. And I I think that should be

1776
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,440
explored. The other issue is is there

1777
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,600
the illustration that that good cities

1778
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,360
presented showed that a bike lane

1779
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,920
immediately adjacent to parked cars,

1780
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,159
which is a really bad idea. You need if

1781
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,400
you have parked cars, you need a door

1782
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,199
zone. It takes another three feet. So,

1783
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,120
uh there's once you once you start

1784
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,280
introducing parking, it takes even more

1785
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,390
space.

1786
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:10,800
» Thank you. Any other comments on area A?

1787
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,880
See none in the Zoom. So, we'll close

1788
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,360
public and uh any thoughts from council

1789
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:21,270
on general direction here.

1790
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,120
Tough one.

1791
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:24,640
>> Thank you, Council Member Wall.

1792
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:25,199
Appreciate it.

1793
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:26,800
>> Um, okay. So, I know we're we're

1794
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,800
limiting our comments right now just to

1795
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:33,600
the area A. Um, and I mean I I actually

1796
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,520
really like all three concepts. So,

1797
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,120
um, but but I'll explain kind of my

1798
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,880
thinking. So, concept one, um, looks

1799
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,679
like it was also supported manously by

1800
01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:49,440
the the advisory committee. Um, I think

1801
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,280
as a council we should give the policy

1802
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,480
direction that we support this um and

1803
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,719
that we should um take the next steps to

1804
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:02,640
figure out how to interact with CALR

1805
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,640
um and pursue this concept on concept

1806
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,400
two. Um I'm I'm sort of cautiously

1807
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,320
supportive. I mean I think I think we

1808
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,480
need to do more diligence. Uh I think we

1809
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,880
need to figure out two things like you

1810
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,320
know is it indeed um super expensive or

1811
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,280
have we identified a potentially less

1812
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,199
expensive way of implementing this

1813
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,280
multi-use path than what we um

1814
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,800
originally thought when it was when this

1815
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,800
was brought before council. Um and then

1816
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,719
I think um to the mayor's point, you

1817
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:35,120
know, is concept 2 compatible with

1818
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,679
concept 3. So I think on this one, my

1819
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:39,120
direction would be let's explore it

1820
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,640
more. Let's, you know, work with the um

1821
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:43,920
town engineer I believe would be

1822
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,920
involved. Potentially the circulation

1823
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,840
committee. Let's get some more

1824
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,360
information on on what it would cost and like I said, you know, whether it's

1825
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,880
compatible with concept 3. Um, on

1826
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,800
concept three, I think the policy

1827
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,960
direction should be that we should uh

1828
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,440
that we support this enough to to

1829
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:05,040
explore it more. Um, and again, I think

1830
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,480
we need to look at the space

1831
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,480
constraints, figure out to what extent

1832
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:11,840
we need CALR involvement, but again, um,

1833
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,239
I I would I would support this from a

1834
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:16,960
policy standpoint.

1835
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,239
>> You any other thoughts?

1836
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:20,960
>> Um,

1837
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,400
>> thank you, Council Member Raish.

1838
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,280
>> Thank you. Yeah. Um I agree with the CAC

1839
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,000
majority here. So um concept one makes a

1840
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,360
lot of sense. It seems uh not super

1841
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,640
expensive. Uh same with concept three

1842
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,080
that seems like lowhanging fruit. Um and

1843
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,760
makes sense. Um, concept two, it sounds

1844
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,800
like it's kind of still, you know, I

1845
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,080
don't really see a path past um, you

1846
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,320
know, like a clear past to avoid the $2

1847
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,880
million cost that we as cost estimate

1848
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,480
that we heard previously. So, I wouldn't

1849
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,400
be inclined to pursue that further,

1850
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,159
especially considering it's got less

1851
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:02,880
support. Um,

1852
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,920
but yeah, so that's where I stand.

1853
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:06,239
Yeah,

1854
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,080
>> we had a source to fund the north side.

1855
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,120
How would you feel? That wasn't was not

1856
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,840
a town source.

1857
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,159
>> That would change things. Yeah. The

1858
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:18,960
board of Yeah. If

1859
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,159
>> I have a possible source. Okay. Serious

1860
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,640
source. So, I mean, and we're I'll have

1861
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,400
a much better answer for you in a couple

1862
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,800
weeks, but it's uh something that's been

1863
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,480
in discussion now for quite some time.

1864
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,080
And I know that a couple other members

1865
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,400
of the council know I'm talking about a

1866
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,679
library project that would help to tie

1867
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:41,440
together the community um with a walkway

1868
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:45,120
from basically bucks to the library

1869
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,600
across the school. So you would have a

1870
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,880
connection for children and residents um

1871
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,920
pedestrian and bicycle. I mean have the

1872
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,159
bike and pedestrian stuff but a walkway

1873
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,880
that could be funded largely or

1874
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,360
completely by the source other than the

1875
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,719
town.

1876
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:04,159
>> That's excellent.

1877
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,960
>> Yeah. I just wanted to echo what um

1878
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,239
Hassan said and that is that um we need

1879
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:12,239
to think about this in terms of the uh

1880
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:14,480
realm of reality and I think for when

1881
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,239
you think about bang for the buck and

1882
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:19,199
what we could do all in on concept one I

1883
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,159
mean it's something feasible makes

1884
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,719
economic sense can be done relatively we

1885
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:27,360
have to get obviously buyin from CALR is

1886
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,679
the is the big hurdle there but that can

1887
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:32,400
be done uh the rest I'm a little I mean

1888
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,560
I'm not putting the library funds aside

1889
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,719
but um they're a little bit more

1890
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:39,679
speculative and longer term and bit more

1891
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:42,000
difficult to deliver on. So I just look

1892
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,800
at it in terms of the um reality and

1893
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,920
practicality and so I I would echo what

1894
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,600
was said previously.

1895
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,159
>> Great. Um I'll just mention on concept

1896
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:54,719
two circulation at one point asked for

1897
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:57,520
it. Citizens have asked for it. Um it is

1898
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,360
a dangerous place to walk. You wind up

1899
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,440
out in the bike lane right now. So, um,

1900
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,600
and if we want to facilitate bikes and

1901
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,480
pedestrians, uh, as we just heard from

1902
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,800
the public comment that street parking

1903
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,239
sort of makes that a little challenging

1904
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:13,840
if somebody opens a door while you're

1905
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,360
biking by. So, um, I do think two and

1906
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,760
three are fortunately they're mutually

1907
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,080
exclusive is my guess, but maybe there's

1908
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,520
an answer where at least we can connect

1909
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,440
parts of the pathway or something.

1910
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,520
That's not ideal, but Kings Mountain to

1911
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,640
little store and so forth are easier, I

1912
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,120
think. But I think I think what we've

1913
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,520
heard is people what we've heard maybe

1914
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,520
on council over time is that there is a

1915
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:40,960
lot of interest in that path. It's

1916
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,440
expensive. Maybe there's an option here.

1917
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:46,080
So, um I'm not sure this going to help

1918
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,040
because you're going to hear five

1919
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,120
different opinions it sounds like. But,

1920
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,800
um and we're going to hear a sixth. I'm

1921
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,880
going to just break tradition because we

1922
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,520
have the uh chair of the uh circulation

1923
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,360
committee just raised his hand. So, I'm

1924
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:02,470
just going to Ean, can I bring you in?

1925
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:03,679
» You with me, Ean?

1926
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,199
>> I am. Hi, Mayor. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry,

1927
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:06,800
I was clicking the button as you closed

1928
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,560
it. So, I appreciate you giving me a

1929
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,800
chance. Um yeah, no, I agree with the

1930
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,159
general comments. I think one thing

1931
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:13,760
we've been doing on circulation since

1932
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,440
when that project came forth, you guys

1933
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:16,800
as a CIP, that wasn't actually our

1934
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:18,480
intent. we were trying to investigate it

1935
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,320
and it kind of jumped from an idea to a

1936
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,600
project and then you guys you know I

1937
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,120
would say rightfully turned it back

1938
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,520
because it wasn't a plan yet. I I would

1939
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,040
say that um what we've been doing on

1940
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,560
circulation is we've been trying to

1941
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,440
separate the need from the price. Not

1942
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,040
because we don't care but because we

1943
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,640
want to say is there a justification for

1944
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,719
this and then if there is and there's

1945
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:38,960
something that's you know constructable

1946
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,440
then funds have to be identified and

1947
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,280
found right whether it's a library a

1948
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,280
donor we save up pennies over the years

1949
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:46,480
right this document is supposed to be

1950
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:49,360
for the next few decades and so the cost

1951
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,080
you know we try to separate them because

1952
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,600
if you put the cost up front you're

1953
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,719
totally right it's like oh that's

1954
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,239
impossible we can't do it right we want

1955
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,920
to find solutions not just reasons we

1956
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,239
can't do it um and I think that north

1957
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:02,320
sidewalk talk. It definitely has tons of

1958
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,600
support from people. I agree with you.

1959
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,560
There's been lots of people who asked

1960
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,080
for it. Also, I was part of that walk

1961
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,400
audit this morning and it turns out

1962
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:09,840
there's a lot of other benefits that I

1963
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,199
won't get into here. I think also will

1964
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:12,560
come back with the details. There's a

1965
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,000
lot of other benefits that will actually

1966
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,239
result if you put in a sidewalk or you

1967
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,920
know something over there to restrict

1968
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,239
traffic flow um to some of those earlier

1969
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:22,080
problems in terms of speeding and people

1970
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,000
you know pulling around. So anyways, all

1971
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:24,800
that to say

1972
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,320
>> I think that north sidewalk is

1973
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:27,520
definitely something that Woodside could

1974
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:28,880
benefit from. It absolutely has

1975
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,560
challenges, but any of you who drive

1976
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,600
down there, you see people walking in

1977
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,640
the bike lane. Guess what? That's

1978
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,840
actually technically against the rules.

1979
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,199
You could get a ticket for that. You're

1980
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:36,800
not supposed to be there walking. So

1981
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,400
again, we want to meet people where they

1982
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,920
are. You're using that area. We want to

1983
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,679
make it safe. And so I would say as a

1984
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:43,600
policy supporting it is great with the

1985
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,120
absolute acknowledgement that it will

1986
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,640
not be cheap. It will not be easy, but

1987
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:47,840
if you put enough effort behind it, we

1988
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,040
might be able to pull it off. So thank

1989
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,239
you very much.

1990
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:53,520
>> Thank you. Is it fair to say that we in

1991
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,070
some way support all three concepts?

1992
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,040
Okay.

1993
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,199
See a lot of head nods. So, let's just

1994
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:03,920
run with that.

1995
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:04,400
>> Great.

1996
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:05,840
>> Jump to parking because I think we got a

1997
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:06,719
lot of folks here on parking.

1998
01:20:06,719 --> 01:20:07,920
>> Yep. That's good direction. We'll keep

1999
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,600
moving. I think most important is if

2000
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,360
there's anything at this point you don't

2001
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,440
want to move forward at all. I think

2002
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,080
that's the most important feedback um

2003
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,679
that you can give us. But that was that

2004
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:18,880
was great. Thanks for that. All right.

2005
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:22,080
We'll keep moving, Ryan.

2006
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,199
So this was our next uh priority area is

2007
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,960
the Woodside Road Kinyatta Road Mountain

2008
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,600
Home Road intersection. Uh this is an

2009
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,840
area where it can be difficult as a

2010
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,840
motorist uh pedestrian or uh on horse uh

2011
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,640
or bike uh partly because of visibility

2012
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,600
issues uh and also just the size of the

2013
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,600
intersection and the turning movements

2014
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,280
that are there. Next slide.

2015
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,000
So we presented three concepts. Uh I'll

2016
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,320
go through these super briefly. This one

2017
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,880
here was exploring uh backend parking uh

2018
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,120
where Roberts is. Uh and then basically

2019
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,760
uh eliminating the slip lane uh that

2020
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,920
goes on the Woodside Road from Mountain

2021
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,840
Home. So right now you can make that

2022
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,000
free right going over to Woodside Road.

2023
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,719
That would go away. expand that public

2024
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:14,719
rideway up to the Gilbert's property

2025
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:18,239
line and introduce uh a park that's

2026
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:20,000
about double the size of your existing

2027
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,800
Alec Donald Park. Uh next slide.

2028
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,960
Uh again, exploratory process. Uh this

2029
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,400
was a concept where we relocated the on

2030
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,560
street parking uh over to uh where Alec

2031
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,880
McDonald Park is currently. So

2032
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,199
essentially moving the park next to

2033
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,840
Robert's Grocery and moving the parking

2034
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,480
over there. Uh the idea was to have free

2035
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,480
flow of traffic, but of course getting

2036
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,560
your carts and other things over there

2037
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,520
was extremely problematic. Next slide.

2038
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,280
This was the kind of the out of the box

2039
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,920
scheme, which was let's take the slip

2040
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,560
lane, turn that into two lanes of

2041
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,400
traffic, and create a second

2042
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:08,159
intersection. And that helped narrow up

2043
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:10,239
all the crossings where Woodside

2044
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,960
connects uh with Kenyatta, creating a

2045
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,560
three-way intersection rather than a

2046
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,280
four-way intersection. Um and then the

2047
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:24,239
parking would be on this new park uh in front of Robert's Grocery. Uh next

2048
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:26,320
slide.

2049
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,679
So these were the three initial

2050
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:29,840
concepts. We had just a tiny bit of

2051
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:34,639
discussion uh for about an hour and uh

2052
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:36,639
which was great and I really appreciated

2053
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,480
everybody's feedback and there were some

2054
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:40,480
brilliant new ideas that came to the

2055
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,280
table and that's exactly what we are

2056
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,600
trying to do with this whole process. So

2057
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,159
if you go to the next slide,

2058
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,320
uh there is interest in just saying you

2059
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,400
know what what is the absolute most

2060
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,199
minimum thing that we can do to improve

2061
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:57,840
um driver safety, pedestrian safety and

2062
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:02,639
enhance the crossing um from the the

2063
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:04,880
business district to the east to

2064
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,800
Robert's Grocery. And so the easiest

2065
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:08,880
simple move is to make some changes to

2066
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,000
the crosswalks. So, you notice there uh

2067
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,239
where the slip lane enters Woodside

2068
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:16,960
Road, there's a well-defined pedestrian

2069
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,880
crossing. Uh and then you walk along

2070
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,520
Woodside Road to another crosswalk that

2071
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,159
would extend over. And the idea that

2072
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:27,760
came from the CAC that was so

2073
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:31,040
interesting was rotating your existing

2074
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:34,239
crosswalk that goes over to the the

2075
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,880
traffic triangle across Woodside.

2076
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,120
rotating it so that the cars are coming

2077
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,440
further forward so that they can

2078
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,000
actually see down Mountain Home rather

2079
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,719
than being tucked back behind Robert's

2080
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:49,600
market as they are today. So that that

2081
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,920
was a really interesting concept. The

2082
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,960
other idea that came from that is your

2083
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,520
through and right turn lane is fairly

2084
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,719
wide. And if we could buy a couple feet

2085
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:04,400
out of that and create 8 foot parallel

2086
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,360
parking along the north side of Robert's

2087
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,159
Grocery and really formalize it with

2088
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:11,840
markings that people are familiar with

2089
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,880
for parallel parking. We could introduce

2090
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,560
um you know a more customer-friendly

2091
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,560
parking area there and then free up um

2092
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,760
take eliminate the hard corner space so

2093
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,679
that we could create that landing for

2094
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:28,560
pedestrians and create those connecting

2095
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,280
crosswalks across Mountain Home and

2096
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,760
rotating the one coming down from Kinada

2097
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,280
Road. So that was kind of the minimal

2098
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,600
improvements safety focus. No changes to

2099
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,840
Alec McDonald Park and you keep the slip

2100
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,159
lane going over to Woodside. Next slide.

2101
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:50,400
So this one took kept the concept of the

2102
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,560
two crosswalks crossing Woodside and

2103
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,360
Mountain Home, but it eliminated the

2104
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,760
slip lane. And so when you take back

2105
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,480
that public rideaway and transform it

2106
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:02,560
into a park, you can double the size of

2107
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,199
your Alec Donald Park and design it in a

2108
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,840
way that encourages social interaction,

2109
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,760
buffers the speed and sound from

2110
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,400
Woodside Road and creates kind of a

2111
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:13,920
natural gathering place for people

2112
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,639
getting sandwiches from Roberts or you

2113
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:18,800
know uh you know they're taking a break

2114
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,080
from work um at the the Gilbert Center.

2115
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,520
And then what it would do is also um

2116
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,800
putting striping a new crosswalk on the

2117
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,520
south side of the parking from Roberts.

2118
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,080
Uh not taking parking away but just

2119
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,560
having a strong pedestrian uh crossing

2120
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,560
there right now. That's that's not there

2121
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:43,280
today. So that was our concept one that

2122
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,679
basically was uh refining it. You'll

2123
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:49,040
notice that there are no changes to the

2124
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,320
parking pattern um at Robert's with the

2125
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,280
exception of removing the space that's

2126
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,120
right at the corner of Woodside and

2127
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,120
Mountain Home.

2128
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,280
So that that's kind of where we landed

2129
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,560
after our last CAC as far as you know

2130
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,040
taking their ideas and putting it into a

2131
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:08,719
graphic visual that we could look at.

2132
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:11,120
Next slide.

2133
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,440
So this shows that in 3D and it gives

2134
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:15,840
you a little bit of a sense of scale for

2135
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,320
the space. You know, doubling the park

2136
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,719
as it is today is pretty small and it's

2137
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:25,199
a traffic island. Um this helps um you

2138
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:27,840
know connect it directly to parking. Um

2139
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,239
there's five new spots on the south side

2140
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,080
that are accessed off a public easement

2141
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,000
that are taken out of that former slip

2142
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,480
lane uh so they don't encroach on the

2143
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,320
private property. Um, and it's uh next

2144
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,840
slide.

2145
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,239
And so this is the view. And so there's

2146
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:46,080
a welcome moment for folks traveling

2147
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,520
through Woodside. You know, that's

2148
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,199
formalized public realm. And uh it can

2149
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,679
be, you know, potentially a place for

2150
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:56,000
small community events. It's convenient

2151
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,639
to all your shops and restaurants and an

2152
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:02,560
office space. Next slide.

2153
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,480
So those were, you know, we're again

2154
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,639
we're looking at presenting as many

2155
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:08,800
ideas as possible on the table to get as

2156
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,719
many reactions as possible. And so um

2157
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:16,400
from the minimalist intervention to the

2158
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,679
out of the box intervention on concept 3

2159
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:21,520
um you know we want to get as much

2160
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,239
public feedback as possible. the CAC had

2161
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:27,040
a

2162
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,320
um a pretty strong reaction to the whole

2163
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,360
presentation in that zone of course but

2164
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,360
it was a really really good discussion.

2165
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,040
So two and three they felt no only only

2166
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,719
a few people supported those um and

2167
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:44,400
concept zero was something we hadn't

2168
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,199
drawn yet but we added that as a request

2169
01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:51,199
from the CAC and then concept one was

2170
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:52,880
again implementing some of the ideas

2171
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,960
that were discussed in zero but

2172
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,000
eliminating that slip lane in lie of a

2173
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,679
larger park. Uh so that's that's kind of

2174
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:04,800
a quick summary of the concept area two.

2175
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,080
Great. Thank you. Uh, any questions from

2176
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,040
council on area B?

2177
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,760
>> Yeah, I guess my only question is does

2178
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,480
the committee have a lot of demand for

2179
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:20,800
the a large enlarged park there?

2180
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,400
>> So, the enlarged park was a product of

2181
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,400
the community feedback that was asking

2182
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,679
for placemaking kind of gathering place

2183
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:34,000
element in the city. and rather than

2184
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,239
locate that in a place that isn't

2185
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:38,800
adjacent to commonly used or commonly

2186
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,760
shared locations like you know the whole

2187
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,679
community uses Robert's Grocery so

2188
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:45,520
there's a chance of meeting people if

2189
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,480
you're using that use um there's an

2190
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,960
existing public space there currently

2191
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,800
but it's not very usable without

2192
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,120
crosswalks and without its current

2193
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,520
design is not designed for people uh

2194
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,920
it's really just a landscape element so

2195
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:01,760
we're kind of taking that element and

2196
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,480
seeing an opportunity for a gathering

2197
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,600
concept. Um, you know, concept zero

2198
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,400
keeps it exactly the way it is and then

2199
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,199
concept one expands it and then concept

2200
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,520
three, you know, introduces a pretty

2201
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,320
radical new concept.

2202
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,280
>> Okay, thank you.

2203
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,159
>> Quick clarification. So, um, you say

2204
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:27,440
concept the the final CIC feedback was

2205
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,800
concept one but with some modifications.

2206
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,600
when you just gave us the update, was

2207
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,239
that inclusive of inclusive of the

2208
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:38,000
modifications they requested?

2209
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,560
>> Yeah. So, if you go to go one slide

2210
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,320
back.

2211
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,280
So, the feedback that we heard was, you

2212
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,639
know, do not impact the parking as much

2213
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,960
well really at all at Robert's Grocery,

2214
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,280
which is totally understandable. So, our

2215
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,520
response to that was, let's take a

2216
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,360
little dimension out of Woodside Road on

2217
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,159
the north side of the store. Um, which

2218
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,520
actually you can see in the plan if you

2219
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,679
go back one more.

2220
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:06,000
So, you'll see kind of a red, white,

2221
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,000
red, blue, and white cars that are right

2222
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,679
there. There's a strip of asphalt with a

2223
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:13,360
white line that looks kind of like a

2224
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,600
shoulder. It's a little undefined the

2225
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,719
way it is now.

2226
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:18,400
>> Do you want to I mean, is it possible to

2227
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:27,750
show us

2228
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,040
So essentially you have a very wide

2229
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,000
through lane and right turn lane there.

2230
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,320
And so those three cars that we've drawn

2231
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:40,880
there represent if you push that narrow

2232
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,400
zone to a standard 8 ft and you put

2233
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,480
those striping in there that clearly

2234
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,960
makes it parallel parking that people

2235
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,159
recognize or familiar with. It relieves

2236
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:57,600
the impact of removing that space

2237
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,639
um that we had to eliminate to make

2238
01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:06,880
those crosswalks feasible. So that's kind of you know we don't want to

2239
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,719
have a negative impact on the business

2240
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:10,880
or people's convenience of using the

2241
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,120
business and front door parking is the

2242
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,320
most golden parking you can get for any

2243
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,440
commercial use. So we put that back and

2244
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:21,600
then you'll notice the light gray kind

2245
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:26,560
of arc. Um, yeah. So, that there's a

2246
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,120
white line today that demarks where the

2247
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:31,440
car should go and where the parked cars

2248
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:35,280
can maneuver. And so, that line follows

2249
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:37,520
that light gray follows that arc that's

2250
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,080
there today. I think it's worth playing

2251
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,400
up the visual clarity there. So, it's

2252
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,560
super clear where through traffic

2253
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,159
belongs and where cars can focus on

2254
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,560
maneuvering or lifting tailgates. Um,

2255
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,639
and there's even potential if it doesn't

2256
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:58,159
damage the treere's root structure to um

2257
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:01,040
put a compact stall potentially

2258
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,679
um on the roadside of the palm tree

2259
01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:07,840
that's there. Um so that was an idea of

2260
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,560
like let's keep things as much the way

2261
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,360
they are as possible. um let's respond

2262
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:17,280
to community um you know feedback that

2263
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,600
gathering place is important at the

2264
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:23,040
heart of of Woodside and you know this

2265
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,679
intersection from an arrival point of

2266
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:28,320
view if you're coming from Kenyatta or

2267
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,800
if you're coming from the west into town

2268
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,000
this is such a key arrival moment and so

2269
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,880
putting um a park that's properly

2270
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,440
designed which would take some careful

2271
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,920
consideration to kind of buffer visually

2272
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,480
the moving traffic and some of the sound

2273
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:48,000
and creating a nice atmosphere. Um, but

2274
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,560
I do think it's possible uh if if that

2275
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,280
park gets expanded uh and is not

2276
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,440
surrounded on three sides by traffic.

2277
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:58,000
Um, so that was the concept of trying to

2278
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,920
address that community feedback for a

2279
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:04,550
gathering place.

2280
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,120
And just remind us there was parallel

2281
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,360
parking in front of Roberts but CALR as

2282
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,440
I recall took it away right or no

2283
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:16,080
>> threatening to okay it's

2284
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:16,639
>> I think

2285
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:18,159
>> but how how are you getting the extra

2286
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:19,360
couple of feet there

2287
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:19,760
>> so

2288
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,000
>> removing the road I mean the stripes you

2289
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,120
>> just the white line so five six years

2290
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:29,600
ago CALR was much less amendable to 11t

2291
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,719
lanes but they have evolved their

2292
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:34,560
thinking quite a bit especially when it

2293
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,840
comes to environments that traverse a

2294
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,600
commercial district

2295
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,760
>> and so they're willing to go down to 10

2296
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,920
and a half um or 11 ft. So I think we

2297
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,120
can see

2298
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,120
>> we can work with that. Yeah. Make that

2299
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,159
nicer parking.

2300
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,719
>> Okay.

2301
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,639
Any other comments?

2302
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:57,120
>> Right. We'll we'll jump over to any

2303
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,000
public comments on this matter. Uh we

2304
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,520
are opening public comment on uh uh area

2305
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:08,159
B of the plan. Hello Stuart. Yeah.

2306
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:11,120
Uh sure. Uh we'll All right, we'll go

2307
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,760
Leanne and then Stuart.

2308
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:14,239
>> Thank you.

2309
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:16,000
>> Question.

2310
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,639
>> Can you please tell me what the green

2311
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:20,719
triangular thing is across? I didn't

2312
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:22,719
quite understand what you were saying.

2313
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:25,520
It says Alec Donald Park or something on

2314
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,920
it. All right. That's And it's there

2315
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,360
now.

2316
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,430
Well, I missed that one.

2317
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:36,800
Okay, it's low. Okay. I didn't know.

2318
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,520
Yeah. Um I actually hate everything

2319
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:43,120
about most of this

2320
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:44,880
intensely.

2321
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,199
I think that we're asking for a lot of

2322
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:49,199
people to come here and they're going to

2323
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:51,199
park in these wonderful little parks.

2324
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:52,880
They're going to sit there and eat. And

2325
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,480
I want them to buy things from the

2326
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:56,159
grocery store. I love the grocery store

2327
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,719
and I love Christine and I loved Robert

2328
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,639
George Roberts and what he did for the

2329
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:03,280
town, but it's there's people that come

2330
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,360
and all they do is throw their papers on

2331
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,920
the ground and it's filthy and so on.

2332
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,040
It's just another upkeep upkeep kind of

2333
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,960
thing.

2334
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:16,159
Um I don't make I'm not very good at

2335
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,239
looking at stuff like this. I have to be

2336
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:21,360
on the site in order to feel it and look

2337
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,840
around. But um I was very offended the

2338
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,679
last time I was here because I didn't

2339
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:30,880
want to see or hear what I was hearing

2340
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:36,239
about Christine's property. And that upset me greatly. And I thought

2341
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:39,360
she's been a a a wonderful person to

2342
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,960
have here in our town and to supply

2343
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,840
things to us and be there. And we all

2344
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,600
love Roberts.

2345
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,560
But this is getting to be, hey, people

2346
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,360
from all over the world, come on in. And

2347
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,280
I don't think they're necessarily going

2348
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,560
to be going to her place or, you know,

2349
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,560
our bar is way down the street. I don't

2350
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:01,840
think they do that, but maybe they'll

2351
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,199
bring their own booze. Maybe they'll

2352
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:05,280
bring their own food and they would like

2353
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,199
to sit in a nice little place like that

2354
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:10,080
and not even patronize places in the

2355
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,400
town. So, you're really banking on that.

2356
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,199
And you know, I think some people would,

2357
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:18,159
but I know there's enough of us that go

2358
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,719
to Robert's, and I hope she's doing well

2359
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:24,320
for that. Are you, Christine?

2360
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,320
And, uh, raise your prices. So, um, I

2361
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,440
just I just don't like any of it at all.

2362
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,239
I think it's a a mess when I'm looking

2363
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:36,639
at it. But I'm not very visually

2364
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:41,199
oriented. I have to be in a place.

2365
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:43,199
So,

2366
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:44,960
>> well, thank you.

2367
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:45,600
>> You're welcome,

2368
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,600
>> Gilbert. Appreciate it. And we will

2369
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:54,870
we're jumping over to you, Stuart.

2370
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,119
» Okay, thanks. Uh, my name is Stuart

2371
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:02,159
Shawnberger. I live on 348 Roundo. Um,

2372
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,480
one, congrat I think you guys did a

2373
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:07,360
great job on this new concept. um

2374
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,000
listening to everybody and coming up

2375
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,400
with something that's better than was

2376
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,960
originally there. there. I thought at

2377
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,040
the end of the conversation last time

2378
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,880
there was talk about having two

2379
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,280
roundabouts and the idea that the

2380
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,040
roundabout was thrown out right at the

2381
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:29,119
for some reason and I still don't see

2382
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:32,320
why there's a lot of space there and a

2383
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,239
roundabout I I know a lot of people have

2384
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,560
a concept of roundabouts that you know

2385
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,080
you grew up in Boston and they're

2386
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,760
terrible but if you grew up in Europe or

2387
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,800
other places Um, you know, they've the

2388
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,119
technology for roundabouts has improved

2389
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:48,639
tremendously.

2390
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:53,760
And one crazy idea would be um if you

2391
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:59,280
made Kenyatta Lane a oneway going north,

2392
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,600
Kinyatta Road a one lane going south,

2393
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:07,360
Woodside Road stays the same. And then

2394
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,080
uh Mountain Home Road comes in and you

2395
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,639
put that law office in the middle of the

2396
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:16,560
circle. You've got a lot of space there

2397
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,560
for a huge roundabout. Um obviously I'm

2398
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,639
not an architect and I'm not a

2399
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,560
transportation designer, but it'd be

2400
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,440
great to sort of think out of the box.

2401
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,119
Is there a way that you could put a

2402
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:31,840
roundabout there? Because you've got

2403
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,600
basically five lanes into one area. And

2404
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:40,000
this although it's better um

2405
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,040
walking and and better use of the space

2406
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,760
and it it definitely as a minimal

2407
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,280
change, it improves. It still doesn't

2408
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,119
address the fundamental problem of

2409
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,119
being on Kenyatta Road with that

2410
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:58,560
three-way or four-way or what is it and

2411
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,520
who goes first, who goes next and and a

2412
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:04,719
roundabout would uh solve that. But

2413
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:07,280
that's my two cents.

2414
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,629
>> Thank you, Stuart.

2415
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:13,280
Welcome. And we Yeah, we'll jump to Zoom

2416
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,239
right after this call. So

2417
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:14,880
>> Oh, sorry.

2418
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,280
>> No, I

2419
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,320
All good. Welcome.

2420
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,800
>> Anyway, I'm Leanne um Popel. I live on

2421
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,000
Miriam Montes. And um I also was

2422
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,280
wondering why the roundabout kind of got

2423
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,480
thrown away so early because just

2424
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:32,400
ballparking it, it seems like we have

2425
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,880
enough space. So I was just uh wanted to

2426
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,239
reiterate look at roundabouts. Um the

2427
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:41,040
other thing I wanted to mention is I

2428
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,040
think sometimes things can be

2429
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:46,880
counterintuitive and so here as well as

2430
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:51,040
um when in the in the other part um down

2431
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,360
towards the school we were talking about

2432
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,639
traffic calming in terms of narrowing

2433
01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:00,320
the roads. And I just wanted to say that

2434
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,119
cars keep getting bigger. Drivers are

2435
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,760
more and more distracted. We have an

2436
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,080
older population.

2437
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,800
And at least when on Kenyatta Road

2438
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,199
closer to the overpass, they try to

2439
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:14,960
narrow the roads. The first thing I

2440
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,719
noticed was a lot of cars are in the

2441
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:21,600
over the line. So even though

2442
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,440
conceptually it might make sense if you

2443
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:26,480
narrow roads people will go slower um I

2444
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:30,639
would just say look at our population on

2445
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:32,639
how those measures work especially here

2446
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:34,560
as well.

2447
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,280
>> Thank you. Uh we will go to the Zoom

2448
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,280
room to Suzanne.

2449
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:42,800
Welcome.

2450
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:47,360
>> Hi. Um, is it possible to have um my

2451
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:50,960
sister Christine Robert speak before me?

2452
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,600
>> It is. Yes, we'll come back to you.

2453
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,199
>> I think it would be better for the

2454
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:57,040
sequence of the conversation. Thank you.

2455
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,960
>> Under understood. Thank you.

2456
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:59,920
>> My hand. Okay.

2457
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:04,790
>> Welcome Christine to the uh microphone.

2458
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:05,840
» Um,

2459
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:06,400
>> hi.

2460
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:08,639
>> I'm Christine Roberts for those that

2461
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:11,920
don't know me. Um, I manage the

2462
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,719
day-to-day operations at the market and

2463
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:18,719
at Pinñata Corners and parking has been

2464
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,320
a

2465
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:27,360
uh subject and a source spot for us for many many years. So, um, when I was

2466
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,199
asked to be on the committee, I thought,

2467
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,880
you know, this is, you know, a great way

2468
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,800
to participate in the town. And um when

2469
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:39,199
I was presented with these plans, um my

2470
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:42,480
heart about dropped to the floor. Um all

2471
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:46,320
of them made very

2472
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,360
large changes to the parking of my

2473
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,480
business, which has suffered loss is in

2474
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:54,719
the last few years. We lost the north

2475
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:58,000
side on Woodside Road. I lost three

2476
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,960
parking spaces to put in those three

2477
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,880
additional parking spaces to put in

2478
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,400
those ginormous ADA spots in my main

2479
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,840
lot. Um, and now to even the thought of

2480
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,760
even losing one more spot is unbearable.

2481
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,920
It affects my business tremendously

2482
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,280
financially. You cannot replace parking.

2483
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,119
People will not come to your business if

2484
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,520
they cannot park. they are not going to

2485
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,480
bring their carts across the street. Uh

2486
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:29,360
it's just not going to happen. So I was

2487
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:33,280
so happy when concept zero

2488
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,239
uh came about at the end of last

2489
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:40,629
meeting. Um

2490
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:43,600
this concept that puts the park across

2491
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,119
the street from the store eliminates the

2492
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:50,239
slip lane. Um,

2493
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:53,679
how are all those large semitrs that we

2494
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,480
get about 8 to 10 a day going to get

2495
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,880
themselves back on Woodside Road and

2496
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,840
back to 280?

2497
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:03,440
Okay.

2498
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:07,280
Also, a park like that, while it's nice

2499
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,880
to have uh a gathering space, is just

2500
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,080
going to compound not only my parking

2501
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,280
problems, but Leanne's parking problems

2502
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:18,480
because you're going to bring people

2503
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:20,480
that want to come to town, ride their

2504
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:22,639
bikes, you want to have a farmers market

2505
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:26,159
next to my farmers market with a roof. I

2506
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,280
mean, it's just not feasible. And then

2507
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,040
someone mentioned, well, Roberts could

2508
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,880
use those spots. they could maintain the

2509
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,159
park. I'm like,

2510
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:38,639
um, I'm not really seeing the benefit

2511
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:43,590
here for me. Um,

2512
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,840
so I'm hoping that um before we present

2513
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,440
or decide to present any plans to the

2514
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:54,080
community that involve

2515
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:58,480
making largecale changes to my parking

2516
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,960
without understanding

2517
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,760
what the rights are, where my property

2518
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,239
lines are, where Calrans can operate

2519
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,119
should be tabled.

2520
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:12,239
Um, I don't think it's fair to get

2521
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:16,480
community input on that.

2522
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:18,960
So, that's about all I

2523
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,280
>> minutes. Christine,

2524
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:26,639
uh, Suzanne, can we go to you now?

2525
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:29,280
>> Yes, sure. Um, can you guys hear me?

2526
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:30,320
>> We can hear you.

2527
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,679
>> Um, thank you. I am I'm I'm dialing in

2528
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:35,280
from the East Coast, so I'm just going

2529
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,119
to say thank you for running a very

2530
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,679
efficient meeting. Um I attended the one

2531
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:42,639
last week and um you know it was it was

2532
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,480
many hours. I I did learn a lot in that

2533
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:47,199
meeting but um so thank you for that. Uh

2534
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:48,880
good evening. Uh my name is Suzanne

2535
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:50,800
Roberts Vandenberg. I'm I'm here to

2536
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,320
support my sister um in this and I am

2537
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,360
co-rustee of George Roberts's trust

2538
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,560
which owns Robert's Market. Um my sister

2539
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,960
Christine and our attorney Lee who wants

2540
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:04,320
who's going to speak after me have

2541
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,520
spoken um and my sister's speaking about

2542
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,440
the operational concerns of the

2543
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:11,119
business. I think Lee wants to speak to

2544
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,520
more of the legal concerns and I wanted

2545
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,840
to chime in to talk about the financial

2546
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,040
reality of the business. Um you know our

2547
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,840
father George built this business as you

2548
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:25,040
know um over many decades and he passed

2549
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,199
it on to us. Um that's a really

2550
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:29,600
difficult thing to do um in our day and

2551
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:32,960
age and especially in California. Um my

2552
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,679
sister and I have invested significantly

2553
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:37,760
uh financially and personally to be able

2554
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,639
to carry this legacy forward for another

2555
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:44,159
generation. Um we want to be here. We

2556
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:46,800
want to make the market uh be part of

2557
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,760
this community for years to come. But we

2558
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,480
really can't operate a sustainable

2559
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:55,600
business without the town's support. We

2560
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,239
need you to understand what the

2561
01:45:58,239 --> 01:46:01,440
financial reality is of a grocery

2562
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:03,920
business. We The plans that you

2563
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,600
presented last week are beautiful.

2564
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:07,199
They're beautifully drawn and that we

2565
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:10,320
just saw um right just in just in these

2566
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:12,400
few minutes. We love parks and

2567
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,480
pedestrian spaces and they look really

2568
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,960
inviting. But what we see as business

2569
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,440
owners is a town center and that has to

2570
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,119
make sense for our business. It can't

2571
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:24,320
just look good on paper. Um, parks don't

2572
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:29,600
bring patrons to our business. We have many costs. It creates parking

2573
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,400
impacts to us. And in the area, we have

2574
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,520
additional enforcement costs. We we pay

2575
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,719
mountain patrol many hours every day of

2576
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:41,119
the week to come patrol our lots now

2577
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:44,320
just to enforce parking. So, we are very

2578
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,960
concerned that these plans would make it

2579
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,280
financially impossible to keep operating

2580
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,080
our business. Um, you know, grocery

2581
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,159
stores are are razor thin margin

2582
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:58,480
business and we are a dying breed. As

2583
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:00,480
you know, the Draggers are closing

2584
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:02,560
stores. They're wonderful family. They

2585
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,719
operate great stores, but they're not

2586
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:06,480
opening stores. They have two stores

2587
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,880
left. Um, so we're not we're a

2588
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,320
family-run business. We're not a tech

2589
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,000
company. We don't have outside venture

2590
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,800
funding. Um, so our business lives and

2591
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,000
dies by every customer. Every customer

2592
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:19,920
who can't park close to us and every

2593
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:21,920
delivery truck that can't make it to our

2594
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,239
delivery dock directly impacts our

2595
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:26,800
bottom line. Um, you know, we're not

2596
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,119
residents of Woodside. We have our only

2597
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:30,719
families to support. We're not able to

2598
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:32,560
live in this community and we really

2599
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,840
can't absorb the costs that these plans

2600
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,679
propose. So the the town stated goal is

2601
01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:42,960
to have outdoor dining. Honestly, it's a

2602
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,600
little bit ironic because the the

2603
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:47,119
outdoor dining that we want to support

2604
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:48,560
is going to be supported by the

2605
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,199
restaurants in in Kinyatta Corner, which

2606
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:53,679
would require additional parking. We've

2607
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,840
been trying to get that parking lot and

2608
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,520
that outdoor dining going. That

2609
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,560
initiative has already cost us three

2610
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:04,000
years and over $500,000

2611
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,400
in planning and legal fees. We don't

2612
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,040
even have a permit yet.

2613
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,840
If we do get a permit, it will be likely

2614
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,159
economically unviable for us to

2615
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:17,280
implement. The town hasn't supported us

2616
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,040
adequately in that initiative.

2617
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,119
So, if our business stays on this

2618
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:26,080
current path and becomes unsustainable,

2619
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,239
the trust will have to consider other

2620
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:30,080
higher value alternatives for this

2621
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,560
property. That's the reality. It's not

2622
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,480
meant to be a threat. It is the

2623
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,719
financial reality we want you to have in

2624
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,639
front of you as you continue through

2625
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:40,480
this process.

2626
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,040
And we're asking you as the council to

2627
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:45,520
consider how important are these retail

2628
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,480
services to the town and we really need

2629
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:51,119
you to work with us before you pursue a

2630
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,199
plan with Calrans

2631
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:54,960
um that could really cost this

2632
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:57,840
community. It's only grocery store.

2633
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,280
Thank you.

2634
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:01,760
>> Thank you very much. And um we will

2635
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,679
follow that up with uh Miss Prince.

2636
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:09,030
Hey Lee.

2637
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:10,400
are you there?

2638
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:11,760
>> I'm here. Can you hear me?

2639
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:13,360
>> Yes, we can.

2640
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,119
>> Good evening, council. This is Lee

2641
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:16,960
Prince. I am the land use attorney

2642
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,880
representing Roberts, which as you know

2643
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,920
is the main property owner impacted by

2644
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:24,080
the proposals in the area of Woodside

2645
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,679
Road and Mountain Home Road, what we're

2646
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:28,480
calling area B. Um, before I get to

2647
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:30,639
specific comments on area B, I want to

2648
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:32,639
note that the objective to prioritize

2649
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:35,119
residents over visitors by limiting

2650
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:37,679
parking contradicts the priority to

2651
01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:39,280
provide for resident amenities like

2652
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,440
outdoor dining that require more parking

2653
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:44,000
to be a viable both from a municipal

2654
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,719
code parking requirement perspective and

2655
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:48,239
from a financial feasibility

2656
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:50,639
perspective. Roberts is intimately

2657
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:52,560
familiar with the financial difficulties

2658
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:54,400
associated with the impact of limited

2659
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,040
parking in this commercial area of town.

2660
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,880
As you know, Roberts has spent a

2661
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,280
significant amount of time at a

2662
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:04,080
significant cost to obtain a permit and

2663
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,159
defend a permit to create outdoor dining

2664
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:09,040
and additional parking. Two items the

2665
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,520
town center area plan update process has

2666
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,840
identified as the most important. Yet at

2667
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,480
the very same time with these proposals,

2668
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:18,239
the town is proposing to take away

2669
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:20,800
convenient parking on Robert's property,

2670
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,400
creating additional operational and

2671
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,880
financial challenges. These proposals do

2672
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:26,480
not achieve the identified goal to

2673
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:28,400
ensure the long-term economic sess

2674
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,360
success of local businesses. Roberts

2675
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,760
strongly opposes any loss, relocation,

2676
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,159
or reconfiguration of parking adjacent

2677
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:38,159
to the market.

2678
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,880
It is premature and imprudent to advance

2679
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,560
concepts that depend on incorrect

2680
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,119
assumptions about land ownership or the

2681
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:47,040
scope of the right of way. An issue that

2682
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,440
came up at the recent CAC meeting.

2683
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,360
Roberts has information, legal

2684
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:53,280
description, a record of survey that

2685
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,679
contradict the Sanonteo County depiction

2686
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:58,000
of Robert's parcel as not including what

2687
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:00,960
we perceive as the full market property.

2688
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,719
There's a public easement over Mountain

2689
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,719
Home Road. That's correct. But Roberts

2690
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:06,560
has found no documentation that supports

2691
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,880
the right of way as depicted on the CALR

2692
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,840
map. The town does not only own any land

2693
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,520
at this intersection, which was another

2694
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,880
comment that came up at the recent

2695
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:16,719
meeting. Until these issues are

2696
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:18,639
resolved, it is really difficult to plan

2697
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:21,199
and understand what options the town may

2698
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:23,280
have that are reasonable and legally

2699
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:24,960
possible.

2700
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,960
Also want to reiterate and underscore

2701
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,280
some of Christine and Suzanne's comments

2702
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:31,199
with respect to parking. Even if the

2703
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:33,360
number of parking spaces is retained,

2704
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:35,280
Roberts is opposed to moving parking

2705
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,360
away from the store or across the street

2706
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,280
from the store. Both from an operational

2707
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,760
and a safety perspective, moving parking

2708
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,119
away from the storefront creates

2709
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:45,040
inconvenience, which results in fewer

2710
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,440
people patronizing the market. Adequate

2711
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:49,199
convenient parking is essential to

2712
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:51,040
customers convenience and safety and the

2713
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,440
market's revi viability. I think the

2714
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,280
consultant called it, you know, golden

2715
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,840
and that's that is correct. Um,

2716
01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,520
separating the parking from the market

2717
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,599
will result in other users, not market

2718
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,520
patrons, using the parking. Robert

2719
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,440
already Robert Roberts already expends

2720
01:52:05,440 --> 01:52:07,119
significant resources on parking

2721
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:09,440
enforcement and separated parking would

2722
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,599
have no enforcement mechanism. Moving

2723
01:52:11,599 --> 01:52:13,119
parking away from the storefront

2724
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:14,880
constrains parking and negatively

2725
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,719
impacts the financial viability of the

2726
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:19,520
market. The council should refrain from

2727
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:21,520
supporting any programming in this area,

2728
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:23,520
including a farmers market or community

2729
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,320
event. Uh Roberts has direct firsthand

2730
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:28,320
experience with the harm the competing

2731
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,159
programming causes. Every week at the

2732
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,320
Portola Valley store, Roberts loses

2733
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,080
customers and revenue on Thursday when

2734
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,080
the town hosts its farmers market.

2735
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:37,760
Placing a farmers market or similar

2736
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,280
event adjacent to Robert's Market in

2737
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:40,880
Woodside would replicate that harm,

2738
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,639
further exacerbating the financial

2739
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:45,280
challenges. Roberts is not interested in

2740
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:46,960
gathering space adjacent to the market.

2741
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,320
doesn't need people to sit

2742
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,480
and stay, but operationally needs

2743
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:52,480
parking turnover to allow more guests to

2744
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:55,760
come in and out. Okay, thank you.

2745
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,199
>> I think we're we are over, but I I Yeah,

2746
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,119
>> I appreciate that. I would say just in

2747
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:02,639
conclusion, I think it's really

2748
01:53:02,639 --> 01:53:04,719
important to take a step back and sit

2749
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:06,800
down with Christine and really have the

2750
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:08,560
consultants in the town understand the

2751
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,119
challenges that she faces. Um, and we're

2752
01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:12,480
happy to do that. And until we do that,

2753
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:14,159
I just I would encourage the council not

2754
01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:16,560
to move any of these concepts forward.

2755
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:19,990
>> Thank you.

2756
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,960
Um, yes, of course. You want the

2757
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,080
microphone, Leon?

2758
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:29,199
Thanks, Steve.

2759
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:31,280
Yeah, we get it back.

2760
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:35,440
>> Um, uh, number is that's not numer. Uh,

2761
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:37,520
down the last one, it says add two

2762
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,400
crosswalks to Gilbert Center Park and

2763
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,719
five new parking spaces. Can you explain

2764
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:45,360
that to me?

2765
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:45,679
>> Yeah.

2766
01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:48,000
we'll turn to you. So,

2767
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:51,679
the slip lane, which is that road you

2768
01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:52,159
take,

2769
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:53,920
>> I'm sorry, I don't know what a flip lane

2770
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:54,480
is.

2771
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,119
>> Slip lane. The free right turn. Yes, the

2772
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:57,679
free right turn.

2773
01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,040
>> I don't know what a slip lane is.

2774
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,119
>> There's a road between Alec Donald Park

2775
01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:03,679
as it is today that takes you It's where

2776
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:05,920
the trucks go. So, Christine just

2777
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:09,199
mentioned the trucks that go out

2778
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:11,199
>> that go between your property and that

2779
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:15,360
traffic triangle, which is the park. So

2780
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,639
the concept here is that you create a 35

2781
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,119
ft radius at the top of the park which

2782
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:26,080
is much more gentle than it is uh today.

2783
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,560
And that allows the trucks to come and

2784
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,560
make that turning movement onto Woodside

2785
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:34,080
Road which then releases the public

2786
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,040
rightway that's occupied by its current

2787
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,000
free right turn to be contributed

2788
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,639
towards the quality of that park.

2789
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,800
So, we're taking land that's currently

2790
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:48,159
dedicated for vehicles and pushing it

2791
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:52,560
into uh a park space. Part of that land

2792
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:56,320
is room for five parking spots. And so

2793
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,360
those parking spots, which this is one

2794
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,760
idea for a plan, there could be, you

2795
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,000
know, 30 more iterations of what that

2796
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:05,760
park could look like with or without

2797
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:08,159
those parking spaces. We thought it

2798
01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:09,920
would be beneficial to add the five

2799
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,320
parking spaces which use some of the old

2800
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:15,280
land that the slip lane occupies.

2801
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,880
And so those are five new parking spaces

2802
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,760
in addition to the new the other new

2803
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,599
parking space which is just where the

2804
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:26,080
white car is shown on the north side.

2805
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,000
That parking space was created by

2806
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,280
shifting the crosswalk closer to

2807
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,719
Mountain Home. So essentially, we're

2808
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:36,560
taking that car that was parked on the

2809
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,840
hard corner and moving it about 20 ft to

2810
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,679
the left.

2811
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:42,320
So that's

2812
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:44,480
>> You can stop because I lost you long

2813
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:45,199
ago.

2814
01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:45,679
>> Okay.

2815
01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:48,000
>> I don't understand what you're saying.

2816
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,679
I'm looking at What is the green

2817
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:54,320
triangle? What? And it says Alec Donal

2818
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,520
Park on it. What What is that? Is that a

2819
01:55:57,520 --> 01:55:59,360
parking space or is that some place for

2820
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:02,880
people to What is that green area with

2821
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:07,910
the blue thing in the middle?

2822
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:09,440
» It's the You know, there's the little

2823
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:10,159
stone wall.

2824
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:12,239
>> Little tiny park that we It's not really

2825
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,159
a park. It's just a little area. That's

2826
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:15,840
right. And you want to make it that big.

2827
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,800
>> It's currently 3,000 square ft. and

2828
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,760
using the land currently occupied by the

2829
01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:26,159
slip lane expands it to about 5,500 to

2830
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:29,520
6,000. So it doubles the size of it. And

2831
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,639
again, this is in response to a long

2832
01:56:32,639 --> 01:56:35,520
list of different and not always

2833
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:39,119
consensus community input. So, you know,

2834
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,840
this is why we're here tonight and to

2835
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:42,239
hear

2836
01:56:42,239 --> 01:56:44,880
>> you said something about having a a

2837
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,599
trail to Gilbert Center and that's what

2838
01:56:47,599 --> 01:56:48,239
made me

2839
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:49,679
>> Yes. So, you see that at the bottom

2840
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:51,679
here, there's this crosswalk. So, this

2841
01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:54,239
crosswalk at the bottom would be a

2842
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:57,040
crosswalk from Robert's over to your

2843
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,920
property where that lane where your

2844
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:01,679
driveway comes out. We're we're

2845
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:03,520
proposing you would have a crosswalk

2846
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:07,830
there over to Roberts.

2847
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,000
» Just trying to if we can create

2848
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:12,880
pedestrian crossings, the vehicles can

2849
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,599
expect can better expect to know where

2850
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:18,639
the pedestrians will be. And right now

2851
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:22,320
there's a lack of crosswalks uh across

2852
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,119
Mountain Home Road. And so people

2853
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:27,199
sometimes don't know where to cross,

2854
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:29,119
which means the motorist is dealing with

2855
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:32,880
a number of different uh possibilities.

2856
01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,840
And this helps focus pedestrians in an

2857
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:39,840
expected location. And um and so we

2858
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,000
addressed this both in a scheme that

2859
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,960
retains the slip lane as it is today and

2860
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:47,679
the park as it is today. And then we

2861
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:49,360
created this alternate version which

2862
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:51,199
addresses some of the community's desire

2863
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:54,719
to have uh a gathering spot in the city.

2864
01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:58,000
>> Was there a reason that you mentioned a

2865
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,880
crosswalk to Gilbert Center

2866
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,719
>> when I have my own people that are

2867
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:07,520
parking there and so on? Well, we when we talked with you, you had

2868
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,599
expressed that traffic moving on

2869
01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:12,320
Mountain Home Road is is quite fast

2870
01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,800
coming over the bridge and they don't

2871
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,199
always see cars or pedestrians um who

2872
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,040
are entering in and out of your property

2873
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,599
in your driveway. Um so this was a

2874
01:58:23,599 --> 01:58:27,040
proposal to a provide a safer crossing

2875
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:30,000
for people who are walking from here all

2876
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,159
the way down over to Roberts. And then

2877
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:33,920
it's also a way to slow cars down

2878
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:35,760
because they they see people walking or

2879
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:36,960
they see a stop sign or

2880
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:38,960
>> I was telling you about people that left

2881
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,840
our place like our our tenants

2882
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:44,560
>> and they're walking over to Christine's

2883
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:45,280
store.

2884
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,280
>> So that would now have a crosswalk a

2885
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:50,239
safer crosswalk for them if if if this

2886
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:52,400
concept was was put into put into

2887
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:52,719
action.

2888
01:58:52,719 --> 01:58:54,560
>> Is there any plan here to do something

2889
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:55,920
about this? My last one.

2890
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,560
>> Okay. Thanks. Is there a plan here to do

2891
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,800
anything about that coming down Mountain

2892
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,199
Home Road 100 miles an hour and there's

2893
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:05,520
no sight distance at all coming out of

2894
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:06,719
our parking lot?

2895
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:08,880
>> Yeah. So, that is sort of what this

2896
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:10,800
crosswalk is all about. That crosswalk

2897
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,800
would help alert cars to slow down. You

2898
01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:16,400
could have a flasher or you could have a

2899
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:18,320
sign and then it also helps when people

2900
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:20,000
are turning out of your property,

2901
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:21,040
they'll see.

2902
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,320
>> I think there should be a stop sign

2903
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:22,800
there.

2904
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,960
>> Okay, that may be part of that. Thank

2905
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,199
you very much. Um, any other public

2906
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:27,920
comments?

2907
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,480
>> U, I would like to talk.

2908
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:31,040
>> Okay.

2909
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:33,679
>> I agree that, uh, you know, I think

2910
01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:35,520
Woodside

2911
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,599
wouldn't exist as we know it without

2912
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:40,159
Roberts. It's like it it could easily

2913
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:43,599
turn into Sand Hill West or something of

2914
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:45,520
office buildings without the store

2915
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,960
there. So, I do think it's important to

2916
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,440
support Roberts. I also think it's

2917
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,239
important to to figure out how to make

2918
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:56,480
this intersection work better. And I'm

2919
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,880
not convinced that we've gotten there

2920
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,159
yet. Um I think it's it's it's

2921
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:05,360
complicated. Um I don't like the slip

2922
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,360
lane. It's really dangerous for me. When

2923
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,440
I ride my bicycle out Woodside Road,

2924
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:12,080
people can't see me at such a low angle.

2925
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,480
So I think this thing we have before us

2926
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:20,000
is is an improvement. But I I um

2927
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:22,159
I I don't really like the park there. I

2928
02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:23,440
mean, I don't think this is a place

2929
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:25,840
where we're going to use a park. I think

2930
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,920
when I was thinking of gathering spaces,

2931
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:32,400
I'm thinking of the place, you know, the little island maybe a little bigger

2932
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:34,560
outside the door of Robert's where I

2933
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,040
meet friends and I can sit and talk with

2934
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,199
them there on the way out or or you

2935
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:41,440
know, it's it's it's a it's a

2936
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:43,199
spontaneous meeting place. I don't think

2937
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:45,920
a formal park this is really the right

2938
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:50,320
place for it. Um but I so I I don't

2939
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,639
think we're quite there yet. The bridge

2940
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:55,040
coming from Mountain Home Road is slated

2941
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:57,199
to be replaced and I think that presents

2942
02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:59,760
a huge opportunity to move the road

2943
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:01,920
further away from Roberts and give more

2944
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:05,360
room to the existing parking spot there.

2945
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:09,119
And I think that the space gained by the

2946
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,840
uh getting rid of the slip lane would be

2947
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:13,599
a great place to add more parking

2948
02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:15,760
because this is really the part close to

2949
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,400
Robert's where there's a huge need for

2950
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:21,760
parking. And uh so if that if that I I

2951
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,960
would rather see that, you know, be some

2952
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:32,159
greenery and and more parking as well as realigning the road. But I I think

2953
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:34,639
it's also necessary to for us to

2954
02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:36,800
evaluate the intersection to make it

2955
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,199
work better because I'm not convinced

2956
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:44,800
this is enough of a change. I think the triple intersection idea that was

2957
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,920
roundly rejected actually simplifies and

2958
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,840
compacts the intersection to a degree

2959
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:53,599
that I I intuitively feel like cars

2960
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:56,000
would move through there

2961
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:58,320
much faster and that would that would

2962
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:00,800
loosen up the traffic from coming from

2963
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,560
the school in the morning where there's

2964
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,320
you know there's often a traffic jam

2965
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,000
there. of moving cars through this

2966
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:10,480
intersection more efficiently I think is

2967
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:13,119
should be our goal anyway

2968
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,360
ideas I obviously

2969
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:17,440
this is a difficult problem

2970
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:20,080
>> sure is thank you any other public

2971
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:23,669
comments

2972
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:24,159
a little bit

2973
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:26,080
>> I I just want to back up what Steve said

2974
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,199
I I think it's we're not there yet I I

2975
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:32,159
do think that we should as a benchmark

2976
02:02:32,159 --> 02:02:34,639
we should not take a single parking

2977
02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:38,080
space away from from Christine if we're

2978
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:40,400
uh where that compact space my little

2979
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:43,280
car would fit there. So, we're in front

2980
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:44,960
of the tree. And if we're adding some

2981
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:47,840
parallel adding parallel parking on on

2982
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:50,560
the north side of the store, that that

2983
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:53,840
helps. And this concept would allow the

2984
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:57,360
employees who now park, you know, from

2985
02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,520
the Alec Donald Park all the way down

2986
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,320
with, you know, maybe you designate that

2987
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:04,560
employees only or some some way. I mean,

2988
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:08,960
there's there's other ideas and and um I

2989
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,040
have mixed feelings about Alec Donald

2990
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:12,800
was the first road commissioner in

2991
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,800
Woodside and the slip lane was

2992
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,360
officially low road after the first

2993
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:19,840
mayor of Woodside. So, I'm sad to see

2994
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,760
the slip lane go away, but I think this

2995
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:26,159
concept solves a lot of problems. And

2996
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:28,480
regarding the park, I do see people

2997
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:30,800
going there with sandwiches from Roberts

2998
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:32,800
and cup of coffee. So, I I think it's

2999
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,119
mostly locals. I think people from out

3000
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:38,560
of town, I'm not even sure are aware of

3001
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:41,679
it. So, um I think this is a a good

3002
02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:43,280
start. I don't think we're there yet.

3003
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:46,480
And I would ask the consultants because

3004
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:49,119
um I think Christine kind of gets it,

3005
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:51,040
but Leanne is having a hard time

3006
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:52,560
visualizing this. And if you could set

3007
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:56,480
up a meeting with her on the corner

3008
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:59,599
uh and walk her through it, I think at

3009
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:01,360
least I'm not sure she'd agree with you,

3010
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:02,400
but at least

3011
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:03,920
>> in the corner, people will talk about

3012
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:05,599
>> she'll she'll understand it a little

3013
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:07,280
better because the these are your two

3014
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,599
key players and we need to bring them

3015
02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:11,840
along if this is going to succeed. This

3016
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:14,320
is our third attempt. I was on the

3017
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:17,280
previous two committees. I would like to

3018
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:20,880
see this go through. And to to Ryan's

3019
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,199
point, this is conceptual, guys. The

3020
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:26,480
bulldozers aren't there yet. Uh it's a

3021
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:30,000
long range plan, but it would be uh

3022
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:35,280
something to look forward to plan and

3023
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:38,960
implement as we as we can along the way.

3024
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:40,080
You know, we're

3025
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:41,440
>> Okay. Thanks.

3026
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:44,239
>> Thank you. Uh, we've got two comments in

3027
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:48,320
the Zoom, so we'll go to you, Julie.

3028
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:52,000
>> Hi there, Julie Sakara. Um, I am a

3029
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,080
member of the Citizens Advisory

3030
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:55,920
Committee, but I'm speaking on behalf of

3031
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:59,040
myself and likely several of my

3032
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:01,679
neighbors. Um, first, I want to

3033
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:03,360
wholeheartedly

3034
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:06,480
recognize um and show my support for

3035
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,800
Roberts. Uh the last thing we'd want to

3036
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:10,560
do with this project is to do anything

3037
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:13,360
to hurt that business. Um I believe

3038
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,000
Roberts and the school and perhaps the

3039
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:17,920
church as well are really the heartbeats

3040
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,480
of our community. So um you know we

3041
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:22,159
should put their well-being first and

3042
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:25,199
foremost. Um

3043
02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:27,280
we've been saying and everyone agrees

3044
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,360
that the primary focus here is the

3045
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:32,000
residents or are the residents and we

3046
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,480
are trying to get traffic to move more

3047
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:37,679
smoothly. Um, while there might be some

3048
02:05:37,679 --> 02:05:39,760
safety concerns around perhaps the need

3049
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:42,560
for a stop sign, etc. around this

3050
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,440
current Alec McDonald Park, I believe

3051
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:48,480
that removing either of the slip lanes,

3052
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:50,080
including the one here from Mountain

3053
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:52,960
Home, is going to cause more congestion

3054
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:56,880
and more of a backup for residents. And

3055
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:00,400
um, for that reason, I support the new

3056
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,639
concept zero and I very much appreciate

3057
02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:05,760
you putting it together. And um I

3058
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:08,159
believe it does solve some if not all of

3059
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:10,960
the problems without um leading to some

3060
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,119
of the other negative ramifications that

3061
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:15,599
might help might happen from removing

3062
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:18,320
the slip lane or some of the other um

3063
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,119
changes mentioned here.

3064
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:23,920
>> Great. Thank you. And we'll go to you

3065
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:30,390
Richard. Welcome

3066
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:31,760
» Mr. Erstad.

3067
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:32,800
>> Can you hear me?

3068
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:35,760
>> Yes, we can. Yes. So I'm a member of the

3069
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,880
committee too as well but I too am

3070
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:41,760
speaking as an individual. Uh at the

3071
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,960
meeting we had a discussion of this

3072
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:47,119
intersection the meeting a week ago and

3073
02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:50,320
we heard from both Christine and Leia.

3074
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,440
Since then though we now have written

3075
02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:55,920
correspondence from Leia. It's quite

3076
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:59,440
detailed. It's quite specific. Uh it

3077
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:03,360
covers the full redesign here as well.

3078
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:07,040
Tonight you've heard from Leah Christine

3079
02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:10,960
and her sister with additional detailed

3080
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:12,480
correspondence

3081
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,159
uh delivered to you including a

3082
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:18,239
highlight um regarding uh record of

3083
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:21,760
survey and boundary details that was not

3084
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:24,719
discussed in detail last week. I would

3085
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,840
just suggest the town would be very wise

3086
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:32,079
to step back, slow down, uh that this

3087
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:34,800
change is substantive and serious

3088
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:36,719
concerns have been raised and I think

3089
02:07:36,719 --> 02:07:39,040
everyone benefits, most particularly the

3090
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:42,960
town, if it simply goes slow here. So, I

3091
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:44,800
understand the council has not given

3092
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,599
direction, hasn't raised questions,

3093
02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:50,880
hasn't hasn't really weighed in here. I

3094
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:53,840
suggest this one item gets slowed down

3095
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,159
though. Thank you.

3096
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:58,400
>> Thank you.

3097
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:00,079
Any other question? Any other comments

3098
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:03,199
before we close public comment? Okay, we

3099
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,280
will close public comment and move on to

3100
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,599
council deliberations for any direction

3101
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:10,000
that anyone feels strongly about.

3102
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:10,880
>> I'll open it up.

3103
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:11,760
>> Yes, sir.

3104
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,079
>> Uh and it's it's very simple. Uh, I'd

3105
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:16,880
like to see the committee uh put a

3106
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:20,880
priority on how to add parking spaces as

3107
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,719
opposed to take them away from the

3108
02:08:22,719 --> 02:08:25,599
existing businesses downtown. Um, we've

3109
02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:27,440
had spent a lot of time, you've put a

3110
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:30,239
lot of effort into designing great

3111
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:34,000
walkways, pathways, roadways,

3112
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:35,599
but it's usually at the expense of

3113
02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:37,040
parking. And I want to say, let's start

3114
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:38,960
with parking. That's what starts with

3115
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:40,639
our our businesses start with parking

3116
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:42,480
and end with parking. If they don't have

3117
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,960
it, they're not going to survive. And so

3118
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:46,639
we really need to think hard about how

3119
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:50,159
do we enhance the parking downtown, not

3120
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:52,960
take away parking places.

3121
02:08:52,960 --> 02:08:54,239
>> Okay.

3122
02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:55,920
>> Thank you. Yes. Council member Wall

3123
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,719
>> ask for two two questions for

3124
02:08:58,719 --> 02:09:03,280
clarification if that's okay. Um in

3125
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:06,480
concept one, I just want to make sure my

3126
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:09,040
understanding is correct. Is it correct

3127
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:14,320
that the one parking spot that is

3128
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,480
considered dangerous? It's the one kind

3129
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:19,040
of

3130
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:22,639
that one right there. Um that parking

3131
02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:24,239
spot would be eliminated in this

3132
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:27,520
concept, but that five additional spaces

3133
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:28,880
would be added.

3134
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:32,960
>> It's replaced. So that Troy uh if you

3135
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:36,400
mark the corner just see that crosswalk

3136
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,239
where that crosswalk is landing that's

3137
02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:41,360
crossing Woodside Road. That's a new

3138
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,040
location for that crosswalk. We're

3139
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,280
shifting it forward which gives you

3140
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:47,520
better sight lines. The other thing it

3141
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:50,800
does is it adds a parallel parking space

3142
02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:53,280
where the white car is shown if you can

3143
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,800
circle that white car. So imagine we're

3144
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,440
driving that car like 20 ft to the left

3145
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,239
in a sense like that's a new parking

3146
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:03,920
space that doesn't exist today that's

3147
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:06,960
replacing the one that's on the corner.

3148
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:10,800
>> So are we net positive four spaces in

3149
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:12,480
this concept?

3150
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:16,639
>> So right now we are on and let's just

3151
02:10:16,639 --> 02:10:18,239
talk directly adjacent to Robert's

3152
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:21,119
Grocery. Directly adjacent to Robert's

3153
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:24,719
Grocery we're at a a draw. we

3154
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:25,679
>> not eliminating

3155
02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:28,000
>> lost one, we added one.

3156
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:29,920
>> So, and then the other thing I think is

3157
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,520
important is to really push uh tighten

3158
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:38,079
the dimension at least to 11 ft from uh

3159
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,560
for that through lane and right turn

3160
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:44,639
lane so we can add 12 to 18 in to the

3161
02:10:44,639 --> 02:10:47,040
parallel parking that's there today so

3162
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,800
that it's more comfortable because it's

3163
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:50,320
quite narrow on the north side of

3164
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:53,040
Roberts. So that's I think an important

3165
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:55,440
move to make those spaces there more

3166
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:58,560
usable. So we're at a we're not losing

3167
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:00,159
any spaces with that current

3168
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:02,639
configuration. And then by removing the

3169
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:05,440
slip lane, we're adding five spaces that

3170
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:07,840
are accessed off the public easement

3171
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:09,760
that is in the first part of the

3172
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:14,400
Gilbert's um property. So this scheme

3173
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:17,520
adds five parking spaces. Now, the

3174
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:18,719
interesting thing that I've heard

3175
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:23,599
tonight is maybe there's a concept 1B

3176
02:11:23,599 --> 02:11:27,520
that uh looks at not making Alec Donald

3177
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:30,800
Park a gathering moment, but more of a

3178
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,199
beautifification moment. Maybe it's a

3179
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:35,679
landscape concept. if if there's a

3180
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:40,480
serious threat to the uh vitality of

3181
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,960
Roberts and it can be solved by creating

3182
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,040
a landscape moment there that beautifies

3183
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:48,800
the city. Perhaps that's a a new idea we

3184
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:52,960
should explore. The other new idea is if

3185
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,280
we kept everything the same on the left

3186
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:58,400
there at Robert's Grocery but added more

3187
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,719
parking in lie of that green

3188
02:12:00,719 --> 02:12:03,440
beautifification thing. That's a concept

3189
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:06,239
too. So, uh, you know, it really comes

3190
02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:09,280
down to a question of the community's

3191
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:12,880
overall needs represented by the CAC,

3192
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:15,119
represented by the town council,

3193
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:17,360
represented by the community feedback.

3194
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,040
And so in the next um and and taking

3195
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:24,560
into consideration Richard's comment, so

3196
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:26,719
I think we need to think about what our

3197
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:30,079
next steps are in terms of

3198
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:32,480
uh what ideas do we put on the table for

3199
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,599
the community if any around area 2.

3200
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:36,800
>> That thank you. That was super helpful.

3201
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:38,400
And then one additional follow-up

3202
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:42,079
question. Um

3203
02:12:42,079 --> 02:12:46,400
I in good city's view

3204
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,400
by eliminating this if if we were to

3205
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,880
eliminate the slip lane

3206
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:53,840
how would you recommend that delivery

3207
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:56,560
trucks navigate in and out of Robert's

3208
02:12:56,560 --> 02:13:03,910
Grocery? So currently, uh,

3209
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:07,040
so currently you can't turn a truck

3210
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:10,159
around the top of Alec Donald Park. It's

3211
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:13,440
too sharp of a of a a radius. It's too

3212
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:16,079
small of a radius. Yeah. So what we've

3213
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:19,679
done is drawn a 35 ft radius, which is

3214
02:13:19,679 --> 02:13:23,679
the recommendation for a four horse uh

3215
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:25,040
trailer.

3216
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:28,239
And so the concept is that instead of

3217
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,000
using the slip lane to get to Woodside

3218
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:32,639
Avenue, we take advantage of the large

3219
02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:35,440
expanse of concrete and asphalt that you

3220
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:39,040
have, but we soften that corner of the

3221
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,920
park to facilitate the movement of a

3222
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:44,000
large vehicle.

3223
02:13:44,000 --> 02:13:44,960
So that's the concept.

3224
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:45,840
>> Thank you.

3225
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:48,560
>> Yeah, the trucks essentially take a

3226
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:51,920
slightly longer turn on on off woodside

3227
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,000
rather than the slip lane. So, it's it's

3228
02:13:54,000 --> 02:13:59,030
a fairly minor deviation.

3229
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:00,719
» Maybe just one follow-up question on

3230
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:02,880
parking. So, when you talk about those

3231
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:05,119
five additional spots being in our right

3232
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:06,800
away, but they're embedded in the

3233
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:09,199
Gilbert lot, which is private parking.

3234
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:11,040
So, how we'll have Mission creep, right?

3235
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:12,639
Would we not? People might just start

3236
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:15,840
parking all the way through there or

3237
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:17,280
>> or no, I mean, just trying to

3238
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:19,360
understand. Well, you put those spots in

3239
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,320
the lot. This the spots are on the

3240
02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:24,560
public side of the they occupy the

3241
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:27,920
former slip lane and they utilize the

3242
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:29,760
public easement that's right at the

3243
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:33,199
beginning of So that was the thinking

3244
02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:34,719
that's one idea.

3245
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:35,199
>> Yeah. Right.

3246
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:38,000
>> If if those five spots don't make sense

3247
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:40,560
the community and they're a negative to

3248
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:42,239
the experience of visiting the town

3249
02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,400
center and shopping at Roberts, we can

3250
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,719
get rid of those five spots and put in

3251
02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:48,800
sculpture landscape. There's a lot of

3252
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:50,000
things you can do with that public

3253
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:52,239
realm,

3254
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:55,040
>> but we're mostly repurposing the slip

3255
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,440
lane for better use. One of which is

3256
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:59,360
parking. As you know, Council Member

3257
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:00,960
Brown just expressed, parking is

3258
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:02,239
important to some.

3259
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:04,239
>> Okay.

3260
02:15:04,239 --> 02:15:08,320
Other deliberations or questions?

3261
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:10,159
I'll just maybe jump in then just say

3262
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:12,400
I'm I'm back at concept zero just

3263
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,480
because we don't have property owner

3264
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:17,199
buyin. Um, it's very pretty, but it's

3265
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:19,520
not that functional, unfortunately. And,

3266
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,800
uh, financial hardship aspect of it is a

3267
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,320
good part of the equation. I agree with

3268
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:25,520
Council Member Brown. I mean, maybe

3269
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:26,719
there are different things to look at

3270
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:28,800
with

3271
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:31,520
maybe, uh,

3272
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:35,199
I hate to say, Donald Park doesn't have a role anymore, but maybe

3273
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,199
you could even put parking, you know,

3274
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:39,280
parallel parking along Mountain Home

3275
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:41,520
Road there, a couple of spots. Um, or

3276
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:43,360
carve it up. I I don't know. I have to

3277
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:45,280
think about that. But the only other

3278
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:47,119
thing I was listening on my mind um

3279
02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:52,560
besides advocating for just I think what I think I've heard is just that

3280
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,560
there there's not going to be that we

3281
02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:57,360
should slow down that uh concept zero is

3282
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:59,520
reasonable that we need to respect these

3283
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:01,280
businesses first and foremost and they

3284
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:04,159
drive this process in my own opinion.

3285
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:06,560
And then just a message maybe back to

3286
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:09,280
the CAC any anyone saying that you know

3287
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:10,960
parking is for us and not for others

3288
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:14,800
that we're not a provincial island that we we are part of a larger

3289
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:16,239
community and that our businesses

3290
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:19,199
require um uh for their economic

3291
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:21,440
well-being. Uh very welcoming

3292
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:24,560
environment um and certainly our peers

3293
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:26,800
uh in other communities

3294
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,960
uh do not have that attitude towards us

3295
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:30,880
when we park to go shopping in their

3296
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,679
neighborhoods. So uh I just want to make

3297
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:36,639
that uh point but I'm a concept zero

3298
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:39,120
person for now uh because I think what

3299
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:40,960
I've heard is just the function that we

3300
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:46,399
have working is is required and so um

3301
02:16:46,399 --> 02:16:48,160
and maybe there's just another iteration

3302
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,000
or two or three or four that are still

3303
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:51,760
to come but yeah I think there's just in

3304
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:53,920
my opinion there's enough push back to

3305
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:56,960
say uh unfortunately a beautiful design

3306
02:16:56,960 --> 02:16:59,599
but not not where it needs to be right

3307
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:02,080
now.

3308
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:06,399
other thoughts? Um,

3309
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:10,080
I yeah, I I uh I liked all the designs

3310
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:12,479
personally. Um, I was kind of sad to see

3311
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:16,080
the three nobody wasn't popular. Um,

3312
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:17,920
made sense to me to have more seating

3313
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:19,519
right outside of Robert so people could,

3314
02:17:19,519 --> 02:17:23,599
you know, buy stuff and eat. Maybe now

3315
02:17:23,599 --> 02:17:25,840
>> parking on public property. It's not

3316
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:27,599
even my parking anymore.

3317
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:27,920
>> Yeah.

3318
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:30,800
>> Which and that that I understand. So

3319
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:36,479
yeah. So, so uh one I think is a net

3320
02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:38,880
>> net even you know for parking for

3321
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:42,559
Roberts it adds some spots I that makes

3322
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:45,679
sense to me. Um and having worked uh

3323
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:47,519
through undergrad putting put myself

3324
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:50,479
through undergrad working um and a large

3325
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:53,679
part of that was delivering food um

3326
02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:56,080
driving large trucks. I can assure you

3327
02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:58,240
that, you know, if there's a need, you

3328
02:17:58,240 --> 02:17:59,760
can always find a way. And even if

3329
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,439
that's parking across the street, not

3330
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:04,960
the most convenient, but um you know, I

3331
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:10,080
think I think delivery drivers, they can figure out a way. Um if they're

3332
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:12,719
creative, as I always was,

3333
02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:13,760
>> making that turn.

3334
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,599
>> Okay. Yeah. So, we you know, we're going

3335
02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:17,920
to we're just going to do deliberation.

3336
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:20,000
>> I'm not Yeah, I'm not trying to engage

3337
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:20,639
with anybody.

3338
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:24,960
>> I um we're going to just deliberate and make a call here. Yeah. But I just I

3339
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:26,880
think, you know, I I appreciate and I

3340
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,439
think we do need company buyin from

3341
02:18:29,439 --> 02:18:32,639
Christine Roberts and Leanne. Um I

3342
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,040
absolutely agree. Uh and so I just want

3343
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:36,960
to make sure that, you know, we're not

3344
02:18:36,960 --> 02:18:41,200
throwing away good ideas based on issues

3345
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:42,800
that aren't, you know, going to be

3346
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:44,960
there. So, and if if part of the issue

3347
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:49,040
is, you know, creating a competing um

3348
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:51,439
market, you know, farmers market, I

3349
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:52,719
think that that could be worked out

3350
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,479
that, you know, if we if we there's

3351
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,880
interest in it and people are are open

3352
02:18:56,880 --> 02:18:59,920
to it. I think, you know, ensuring that

3353
02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:01,679
that's not going to happen, that, you

3354
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,479
know, we can have some kind of public

3355
02:19:04,479 --> 02:19:07,599
area where we're not going to have a

3356
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:10,719
farmers market. Um, and so I would just,

3357
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:13,679
you know, say

3358
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:18,000
I I agree with zero, concept zero. Um, I

3359
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:20,080
think that could be a good option. I

3360
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:22,559
also think that concept one could

3361
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:26,319
potentially work, you know, if um if we

3362
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:27,920
work with everybody and get buyin from

3363
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,399
everybody, but as it stands, it seems

3364
02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:32,080
like that's not currently where we're

3365
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:35,439
at. So, um, but I I I like the idea, you

3366
02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:37,120
know, and I I think it's a good idea to

3367
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:40,000
have, um, more parking, which that seems

3368
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,359
to accomplish that. Um, and it seems

3369
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:45,040
like a nice development. So, that's

3370
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:47,359
where I stand.

3371
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:50,080
>> Thank you. When we um when we talked

3372
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,560
about the composition of the

3373
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:55,600
CAC, the the committee, I know we went

3374
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,160
through a lot of um we wanted to get the

3375
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:00,160
business owners represented. It was a

3376
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:02,720
big deal and we reserve spots

3377
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:04,479
specifically for them and specifically

3378
02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:05,760
for the reason that's coming out

3379
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,080
tonight. Without their buyin, this

3380
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,479
doesn't happen. and um and we don't have

3381
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:15,520
their buyin and I'm just you know I'm a business guy and um I know what it

3382
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,280
means to make a payroll and that cash

3383
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,120
register has to ring and if it doesn't

3384
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:21,120
if there isn't parking the cash register

3385
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:22,720
doesn't ring and you find out that

3386
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:24,240
Robert's Market isn't there anymore and

3387
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:26,080
it's a condominium or an office building

3388
02:20:26,080 --> 02:20:28,479
and then you go oh

3389
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:30,319
that that that that's not a good

3390
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:32,720
outcome. Um so I'm sensitive to those

3391
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:34,160
things. We have to have buyin. I think

3392
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,080
the the most interesting thing is

3393
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:39,439
watching the committee go from all these

3394
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:42,000
great ideas that they've got and then

3395
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,319
you know we need uh traffic circles and

3396
02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:46,399
roundabouts and we want pavilions for

3397
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,640
Pilates classes and we want picnic areas

3398
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:50,399
and parks and then suddenly the reality

3399
02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:52,960
sets in and it's like

3400
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:55,600
we're we're constrained. We're an an old

3401
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:58,160
town where this intersection was

3402
02:20:58,160 --> 02:20:59,600
probably, as somebody mentioned before,

3403
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:02,080
stage coaches coming down it a hundred

3404
02:21:02,080 --> 02:21:04,560
years ago. And it's bad sight lines and

3405
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:09,280
oddshaped roads and it all just kind of grew up organically. We're not

3406
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:12,479
downtown Redwood City or PaloAlto. And

3407
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:14,880
um we're constrained by this. And so I

3408
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:16,399
think we have to, you know, I'm a

3409
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:18,800
reality guy. I said that earlier. And so

3410
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:20,479
here's where we are. I'm deferring

3411
02:21:20,479 --> 02:21:21,920
completely. I'm just, you know, I want

3412
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:24,319
to see these businesses not only stay

3413
02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:26,479
but thrive. And, you know, I defer to

3414
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:28,160
the owners there. I think that they know

3415
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,000
best uh about what makes their

3416
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,439
businesses work.

3417
02:21:31,439 --> 02:21:33,680
>> You can't actually, Lean, I'm sorry. I

3418
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:35,439
know.

3419
02:21:35,439 --> 02:21:37,920
>> Yeah. So, okay. So,

3420
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:39,920
>> so I'm from I'm a minimalist. Um,

3421
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:40,880
concept zero.

3422
02:21:40,880 --> 02:21:41,520
>> Concept zero.

3423
02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:43,120
>> And that's what we can send back.

3424
02:21:43,120 --> 02:21:45,439
>> Yeah. Um, so I'd like to weigh in as

3425
02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:48,640
well. Um,

3426
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:53,600
so I think my policy direction would be

3427
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:56,960
that that more work is needed to kind of

3428
02:21:56,960 --> 02:22:00,560
bridge the gap between concept zero and

3429
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:04,560
concept one. Um, I think we heard it

3430
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:07,040
expressed really nicely by uh Steve

3431
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,760
Luben that Woodside wouldn't be wouldn't

3432
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:11,680
exist wouldn't be what it is without

3433
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,680
Roberts. I think we all love shopping at

3434
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,000
Roberts. we we we would never want to

3435
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:20,160
see it go away. Um we have to match that

3436
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:23,120
with the reality that this intersection

3437
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,560
has got to get better. Um and so I think

3438
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:29,600
there's some good ideas in concept one.

3439
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:32,399
I would also note that you know I think

3440
02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:35,840
the the slides indicated that concept

3441
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,960
one had the majority support from the

3442
02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:41,600
citizen advisory committee. I think, you

3443
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:43,600
know, business owner buyin is really

3444
02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:46,880
important, but so is uh resident buyin.

3445
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:48,960
Um there's lots of compet competing

3446
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:52,560
concerns here. So, you know, we have to try our best to bring all of

3447
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:57,040
those together. Um I I like the fact

3448
02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:01,120
that concept one does try to address the

3449
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:03,200
community desire for a public gathering

3450
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:08,640
space. Um, I I I think I tend to like

3451
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:10,960
the idea of expanding that that park. I

3452
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:14,240
could I could imagine, you know, kids,

3453
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:17,760
you know, eating there after school or,

3454
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:19,760
you know, residents, you know, getting a

3455
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:22,560
sandwich and and having a place to eat.

3456
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:28,080
Um, I don't I don't I don't know that is the community gathering space

3457
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:29,680
that I envisioned coming out of this

3458
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,680
process. I I' I'd like to see what other

3459
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:33,520
ideas there are for community gathering

3460
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:37,040
spaces cuz in my mind having some

3461
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:39,040
additional community gathering spaces is

3462
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:41,040
a key aspect of the town center area

3463
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,439
plan and we haven't you know I I want to

3464
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:45,840
know more about what's proposed.

3465
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:47,920
Um,

3466
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,800
I think concept 2 definitely creates

3467
02:23:50,800 --> 02:23:53,200
better pedestrian crossings, which I

3468
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:56,880
think is a really necess.

3469
02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:59,439
Um, I liked the idea of having a key

3470
02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:04,160
arrival moment in Woodside. Um, so I

3471
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,760
think I think more work is needed. I

3472
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:07,600
would I my policy direction would be to

3473
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:09,600
send this back to the community advisory

3474
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,760
committee, talk more. Let's see if we

3475
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:15,439
can bridge the gap between what the um

3476
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:18,080
advisory committee is is expressing that

3477
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:21,280
the residents desire um the gap that

3478
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:23,920
we're hearing from the business owners.

3479
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,240
Um so I I think we need to keep

3480
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:29,200
exploring this. Um so that would be my

3481
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:36,790
advice to our consultant.

3482
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:39,359
» Uh so I hate split votes. Um so we have

3483
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:41,920
two people that are sort of I I picked

3484
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:43,920
up on our concept zero and two people

3485
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:47,200
that are zero and one and go back to the

3486
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:49,920
go back and workshop it. Uh and I dick I

3487
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:51,760
other than parking did you have a did

3488
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:53,520
you want to give any direction between

3489
02:24:53,520 --> 02:24:55,439
these or just so

3490
02:24:55,439 --> 02:24:57,120
>> I think I think you have to start with

3491
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:00,080
parking and then you uh then you evolve

3492
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:02,000
one two three or zero.

3493
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:02,240
>> Yeah.

3494
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:03,600
>> I mean right now I don't think we're

3495
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:04,560
there.

3496
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,240
>> Okay.

3497
02:25:06,240 --> 02:25:08,000
Does that work directionally or do you

3498
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:09,439
need more from us?

3499
02:25:09,439 --> 02:25:12,720
>> Yeah, I think that Well, was was that a

3500
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:15,520
yes to the direction to slow down? So,

3501
02:25:15,520 --> 02:25:17,280
that that means we'll pause.

3502
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:19,120
>> It's back to the workshop, but I think

3503
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:21,600
there's Yeah, I I can't tell. It looks

3504
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,399
like there's a split. I I mean, but uh

3505
02:25:24,399 --> 02:25:26,800
it sounds I don't know how to how to how

3506
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:27,920
to angle this.

3507
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:30,319
>> Slow at the slowing down was not the

3508
02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:32,160
direction I took from the majority of

3509
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:33,760
our comments. I think it's let's

3510
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:35,760
workshop it some more to see if we can

3511
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:38,640
bridge interests.

3512
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:42,080
>> My point was different. It's you you've

3513
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:43,920
got the two big business owners, you

3514
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,920
know? I mean, we could think of anything

3515
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:48,240
we want. If it doesn't serve their

3516
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:53,120
purposes, it's a problem. I mean, it's almost a veto. I mean, look at that

3517
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:54,800
big red stop sign at the top of this

3518
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:56,800
slide that's up there. I mean, we

3519
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,520
ignored that. That's a big deal and uh

3520
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:01,120
we shouldn't ignore it. And I think that

3521
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:03,040
they have to be involved in this loop. I

3522
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:05,280
mean, they are, but I mean, if they're

3523
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:07,359
not buying in, it's probably not going

3524
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:08,960
to be successful.

3525
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:10,880
>> Yeah, I totally agree. I think the

3526
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:14,319
question is is the direction to kind of

3527
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:17,280
pause all the engagement and go back and

3528
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:19,120
workshop this a little more or to kind

3529
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,680
of pull this topic out of the

3530
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,319
engagement, continue with our planned

3531
02:26:24,319 --> 02:26:27,280
engagement and wall kind of a parallel

3532
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:29,680
pathing having this discussion on this

3533
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:33,280
specific intersection.

3534
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:36,720
Um, I mean, we're what I'm hearing,

3535
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:38,000
which it might be different. I don't

3536
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,720
want to speak for my colleagues, but um,

3537
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,319
it's

3538
02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:43,760
see what else you can do to workshop

3539
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:46,479
concept zero to include more parking and

3540
02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:48,640
to maybe I'm not sure how you're going

3541
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:50,319
to get a park because if you lose the

3542
02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:52,720
slip lane, you're losing the the ability

3543
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:55,280
to service the business. So, I

3544
02:26:55,280 --> 02:26:56,640
>> Yeah, it's kind of either way.

3545
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:58,000
>> So, it's just it's what it's what

3546
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:00,000
council member Gold said is just the

3547
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:02,000
constraints are

3548
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:03,680
the constraints might be getting in the

3549
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:05,439
way of being able to to really move

3550
02:27:05,439 --> 02:27:08,240
anything forward here, but we're I think

3551
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:10,960
we're not saying slow. I saying I think

3552
02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:13,200
so what I'm hearing is this is sort of

3553
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:16,080
maybe a separate path discussion from

3554
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:17,439
some of these other topics that are

3555
02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:18,399
going to be more

3556
02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:19,760
>> a useful way to go

3557
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,680
>> the focus of this upcoming engagement

3558
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:23,520
and this can be kind of a side

3559
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,439
>> this discussion needs a slip lane

3560
02:27:25,439 --> 02:27:28,399
>> this well put this can be kind of a side

3561
02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:30,720
discussion with um the key players.

3562
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:31,120
Yeah.

3563
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:32,640
>> And we'll keep working on it. Maybe

3564
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:33,760
we'll come back.

3565
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,000
>> Yeah.

3566
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:38,080
>> Council and CAC with

3567
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:40,479
>> some other ideas. Um we could ask more

3568
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:43,040
general questions in the survey about

3569
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:45,040
this area. See if there are other ideas

3570
02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:47,520
just without showing specific concepts

3571
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:48,399
at this time.

3572
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:50,399
>> And and to be perfectly clear, I didn't

3573
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:52,479
give you my opinion of which one I like.

3574
02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:55,040
I'm just saying I'm deferring to them

3575
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:57,200
because they have a lot at stake here in

3576
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:01,750
our town. Great. Okay.

3577
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:04,640
All right. Okay. We're going to keep

3578
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:07,920
going unless anybody needs a break.

3579
02:28:07,920 --> 02:28:08,880
>> All right. See,

3580
02:28:08,880 --> 02:28:11,920
>> see it is.

3581
02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:12,560
>> None.

3582
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:16,000
>> Okay. Uh Central Woodside Road uh

3583
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:19,520
currently right now walking from uh the

3584
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:22,240
east uh to the west end or either way

3585
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:25,359
requires um a lot of intermittent kind

3586
02:28:25,359 --> 02:28:27,840
of steps. It's not a totally obvious or

3587
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:30,720
continuous sidewalk. There are some

3588
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:32,479
barriers. If you're local, you're going

3589
02:28:32,479 --> 02:28:35,200
to know it. You're going to do it. Um,

3590
02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:38,080
but it might not be the the best

3591
02:28:38,080 --> 02:28:39,840
possible streetscape that's out there.

3592
02:28:39,840 --> 02:28:42,399
So, um, you know, this is something that

3593
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:44,000
we heard from the community. So, we

3594
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:45,840
wanted to put some ideas out there. If

3595
02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:49,510
you go to the next slide.

3596
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:52,000
So, one of the key issues with this is

3597
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,399
we can't do anything until really the

3598
02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:57,439
private land owners decide to redevelop.

3599
02:28:57,439 --> 02:28:59,359
And so, the option we wanted to put on

3600
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:03,359
the table was could they redevelop um

3601
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:06,479
and not have pool and parking, 90° pool

3602
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:08,160
and parking if they wanted more

3603
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,960
development capacity out of their site.

3604
02:29:10,960 --> 02:29:16,000
Um we got a lot of great um uh comments

3605
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:20,319
from uh the CAC about challenges with

3606
02:29:20,319 --> 02:29:22,800
redeveloping very very small parcels and

3607
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:25,359
the costs that come with that and the

3608
02:29:25,359 --> 02:29:27,760
challenges economically and feasibility.

3609
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:30,240
So I won't speak to that but that's out

3610
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:32,720
there. But in the case that there is

3611
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:35,120
redevelopment and the land owner is

3612
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:37,920
interested how would you coordinate

3613
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:40,479
that? And so we put together this

3614
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:48,160
concept uh where gradually over a very long time um the street could

3615
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:51,040
evolve into a sidewalk essentially

3616
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,760
extending. There's there's one instance

3617
02:29:53,760 --> 02:29:56,080
of where this is happened and you see it

3618
02:29:56,080 --> 02:29:58,399
right in the foreground. Can you scratch

3619
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:01,280
on that?

3620
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:03,920
So basically taking that sidewalk and

3621
02:30:03,920 --> 02:30:07,200
extending that uh eastward.

3622
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:11,439
Um, so next slide.

3623
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:13,520
The other concept that came from the CAC

3624
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:15,359
that was kind of interesting is how do

3625
02:30:15,359 --> 02:30:19,439
could we dress up the uh pathways that

3626
02:30:19,439 --> 02:30:22,000
exist behind the businesses which are

3627
02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:24,640
also another front door for a lot of the

3628
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:28,000
businesses. And so, um, kind of taking

3629
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:30,720
an idea of a shared street where, you

3630
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:32,640
know, we're not going to be able to

3631
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:34,720
create sidewalks back there because of

3632
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:36,160
how the buildings are all at different

3633
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:38,880
elevations and um, and you're walking

3634
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:41,600
through a restaurant space at the pub.

3635
02:30:41,600 --> 02:30:44,560
But what if we turned the smooth asphalt

3636
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:46,080
environment into something that's

3637
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:48,640
aesthetically attractive and conducive

3638
02:30:48,640 --> 02:30:51,359
to walking? And kind of the key focus on

3639
02:30:51,359 --> 02:30:53,840
that is that red diagonal line right

3640
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:56,960
there. And that's basically blocking it

3641
02:30:56,960 --> 02:30:59,280
to through traffic, which was a lively

3642
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,600
debate uh at the CAC whether that's a

3643
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:04,640
good idea or not. But essentially, uh

3644
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:06,720
you could imagine that when the village

3645
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:08,560
doctors closed and other things like

3646
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:11,840
that, you would have very little traffic

3647
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:13,840
back there to compete with pedestrians

3648
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:17,760
and it'd be quite pleasant. Um now, you

3649
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,600
could extend that concept of the shared

3650
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:22,319
street all the way to Roberts. Um,

3651
02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:24,479
people could choose to walk either along

3652
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:26,240
the existing pedestrian trail that

3653
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:28,240
follows the creek or they could choose

3654
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:29,920
to walk along the storefronts of the

3655
02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:32,240
Gilbert Center, but it's just kind of

3656
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:36,160
creating a visual path uh that's has

3657
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:38,080
some continuity from Whiskey Hill all

3658
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:42,080
the way to Roberts. So, next slide.

3659
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:44,560
And so if you look at the top left,

3660
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:47,920
you'll see the existing conditions and

3661
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,800
uh the rendering image here adds, you

3662
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:52,720
know, some pedestrian treatments to the

3663
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:55,280
paving surface. It still fully allows

3664
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:58,000
vehicle traffic and access to parking

3665
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,560
and keeps parking exactly the way it is,

3666
02:32:00,560 --> 02:32:02,640
but it dresses up the paving environment

3667
02:32:02,640 --> 02:32:04,880
to make it a little more inviting. It

3668
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:07,280
sets a nicer stage for the storefronts

3669
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:10,080
that are back there and uh is an attempt

3670
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:12,160
to add some aesthetic beauty to that

3671
02:32:12,160 --> 02:32:15,600
environment. Next slide.

3672
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:21,520
So, uh basically uh the concept for

3673
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:24,240
formalizing the streetscape

3674
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:29,359
um on Woodside Road was not um really

3675
02:32:29,359 --> 02:32:31,359
supported except just a handful of

3676
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:34,000
members. Um there was some interest in

3677
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,000
adding parking back onto the north side,

3678
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:37,600
but acknowledging that it's a

3679
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,720
challenging issue uh due to the uh

3680
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:44,560
limited um rightway and the existing

3681
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:46,880
turn lane which is necessary for the

3682
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:48,720
existing businesses to have parking

3683
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:52,720
access. Um the concept 2 was

3684
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:54,560
wellreceived which is the pedestrian

3685
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:57,439
friendly shared street behind um the

3686
02:32:57,439 --> 02:33:03,910
shops uh parallel to Woodside Road.

3687
02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:07,200
Thank you. Questions

3688
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:11,429
on area C.

3689
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:13,439
All right.

3690
02:33:13,439 --> 02:33:15,439
Uh, go ahead.

3691
02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:19,040
>> Uh, question. So, was concept 2

3692
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:24,640
supported by the business owners? Was

3693
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:27,920
>> Yes. in fact was proposed or sort of the

3694
02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:30,479
genesis with the was was one of the

3695
02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:33,600
business owners um who kind of relayed

3696
02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:35,760
that there's been a concerted effort by

3697
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,280
multiple business owners to kind of

3698
02:33:37,280 --> 02:33:40,160
reverse or turn their businesses back

3699
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:43,359
around. And so he um articulated that we

3700
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:46,560
could kind of build on and and take

3701
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:48,880
better advantage of those rearfacing

3702
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:52,720
businesses through this kind of more um

3703
02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:56,080
un uh connected interconnected concept

3704
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:57,680
of the of the back street of the

3705
02:33:57,680 --> 02:33:59,840
backside. So it came from the business.

3706
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:00,160
Yeah.

3707
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:01,520
>> And what is could you just explain a

3708
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:04,399
little bit what is what does rear retail

3709
02:34:04,399 --> 02:34:06,640
activation will will need to continue

3710
02:34:06,640 --> 02:34:07,280
mean?

3711
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:08,960
>> Right. So that's that's talking about

3712
02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:10,720
like the village pub, right? kind of

3713
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:12,640
turned itself to the back. Um,

3714
02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:14,640
>> oh, you're saying the orientation of

3715
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:17,040
businesses would would be encouraged.

3716
02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:18,560
>> So, we had some conversation about this

3717
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:20,640
being an interesting idea, but to really

3718
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,880
make it a success, we need to we would

3719
02:34:22,880 --> 02:34:24,399
want to keep facilitating and

3720
02:34:24,399 --> 02:34:28,240
encouraging businesses to be oriented

3721
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:30,319
towards that back space. That'll, you

3722
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:32,160
know, create more foot traffic and more

3723
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:35,520
interest just in the back there. Um, so

3724
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,680
that would be part of this effort would

3725
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,439
be to continue supporting and

3726
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:41,760
encouraging kind of rear rear

3727
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:44,319
activation.

3728
02:34:44,319 --> 02:34:46,640
>> So just one question. This is the pad,

3729
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:48,399
right? This is the parking area district

3730
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:50,720
where it's basically a mutual fund of

3731
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:53,520
owners. Town's only one of them. I know

3732
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:54,560
we're not supposed to talk about

3733
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:57,520
funding. Uh but

3734
02:34:57,520 --> 02:35:00,720
to do this, every single property, every

3735
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:02,640
single person that's a member of the pad

3736
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:04,880
would have to agree and then what we

3737
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:06,640
would be doing an assessment or

3738
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:08,080
something if that's what people want or

3739
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:09,520
we could find the money if people, you

3740
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:09,840
know.

3741
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,160
>> Yeah. Uh it's a good question and it's

3742
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:12,640
messy.

3743
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:14,560
>> I'm not the PAD expert, but um it is

3744
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:17,600
messy that I do know that much. Um you

3745
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:19,520
could and I think anything having to do

3746
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:22,240
with PAD requires 50% votes at minimum.

3747
02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:23,920
So it would there would be a process

3748
02:35:23,920 --> 02:35:26,640
here. Um,

3749
02:35:26,640 --> 02:35:28,880
but you could again build this out

3750
02:35:28,880 --> 02:35:31,040
through a combination of the pad

3751
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,439
self-funding or it could be a CIP for,

3752
02:35:33,439 --> 02:35:36,399
you know, a paving project. Um, so you

3753
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:37,760
could do it a couple different ways, but

3754
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:40,560
I agree that the the the pad offers some

3755
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,319
complexity, but I think we're not

3756
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:44,080
proposing to lose spaces. We're

3757
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:45,760
proposing to kind of beautify it. So

3758
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:47,200
there there there would be, I think,

3759
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:51,200
less uh resistance to that approach. But

3760
02:35:51,200 --> 02:35:53,359
>> you you bring up a good point. The other

3761
02:35:53,359 --> 02:35:56,240
key component which is not expensive is

3762
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:58,000
whether or not you block the through

3763
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:00,479
traffic. So we did hear through some of

3764
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,960
the public comment that folks love

3765
02:36:02,960 --> 02:36:05,439
having that second parallel path, you

3766
02:36:05,439 --> 02:36:08,399
know, that connects Whiskey uh Hill Road

3767
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:11,760
to um Mountain Home. But then there's

3768
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:13,600
other folks that feel like it's very

3769
02:36:13,600 --> 02:36:16,240
fastm moving traffic that creates a

3770
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,359
dangerous element for customers and for

3771
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:21,280
people using the trail network back

3772
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:24,479
there and that they would prefer to see

3773
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:28,479
um only only the vehicular through

3774
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,960
traffic blocked but allowing

3775
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:32,479
pedestrians,

3776
02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:36,640
horses, um bikes and then also uh in the

3777
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,040
event of an emergency emergency vehicles

3778
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:41,680
would have the the ways to like an

3779
02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:43,439
operable gate so that they could get

3780
02:36:43,439 --> 02:36:46,399
through.

3781
02:36:46,399 --> 02:36:48,560
>> Am I correct that you said that there

3782
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:50,960
are no parking spaces would be lo none

3783
02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:53,439
would be lost in this process.

3784
02:36:53,439 --> 02:36:56,399
>> This is an aesthetic treatment. So no

3785
02:36:56,399 --> 02:36:59,359
changes to the parking at all. The idea

3786
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:03,760
is taking um that pavement environment

3787
02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:06,240
isn't obvious. it. People see it and

3788
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:08,080
they think cars, you know, they think

3789
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:10,319
parking lot and giving it a treatment

3790
02:37:10,319 --> 02:37:16,080
that feels a little more inviting and pedestrian friendly. Certain pavers

3791
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:18,720
also do create kind of a textured rumble

3792
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:20,880
when you drive over them. And so that

3793
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:22,960
helps slow traffic going through there.

3794
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:25,359
So you can use it to also add speed

3795
02:37:25,359 --> 02:37:30,240
calming to uh vehicular movement.

3796
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:32,800
>> Thank you.

3797
02:37:32,800 --> 02:37:35,520
Okay, we'll close uh questions and jump

3798
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:37,760
to public comment. Richard, we'll just

3799
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:40,000
jump right to you. Actually, the Zoom

3800
02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:41,680
room.

3801
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:45,760
>> Great. Thanks. Uh so, uh quick question

3802
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:49,439
for Ryan and Troy. In the slide deck in

3803
02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:55,200
the 279 pages, there's a sheet page 239

3804
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:59,040
that shows Central Woodside Road with a

3805
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,920
scheme proposed there on a scheme that

3806
02:38:01,920 --> 02:38:05,520
the committee has not seen. Is has that

3807
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:08,080
been taken out of tonight's deck or is

3808
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:11,359
it still there? Are you coming up to it?

3809
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:13,040
>> Uh I think you're referring to there was

3810
02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:18,560
a drawing of this this concept 1A. Uh we took that out since our direction was

3811
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:21,840
to kind of um for the sake of time move

3812
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:26,000
forward. Um but that that is basically a

3813
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:28,399
drawing that that ex that shows what the

3814
02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:30,319
concept 1A would look like.

3815
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:33,760
>> Yeah. Got it. So uh two comments for the

3816
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:36,800
council. The uh the red line in the

3817
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:40,960
drawing shows reinstatement of a wall

3818
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:44,240
that long was uh there. It was removed

3819
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:47,200
at the direction of the council in circa

3820
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:48,800
1979

3821
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:50,800
when the Gilbert Center was approved.

3822
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:54,960
The wall sits on the adjoining property.

3823
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:56,240
Actually, the property owned by

3824
02:38:56,240 --> 02:38:59,359
Millstone uh the LLC that I'm managing

3825
02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:02,399
member of. I'm I'm only one member of

3826
02:39:02,399 --> 02:39:04,960
the CAC, but I'm a strong supporter of

3827
02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:08,160
putting that barrier, that vehicular

3828
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:11,040
barrier back up because I believe based

3829
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:13,359
on personal experience, the shared

3830
02:39:13,359 --> 02:39:16,960
street sees some pretty fast vehicles,

3831
02:39:16,960 --> 02:39:20,800
both cars and trucks. So, strong support

3832
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:22,800
for that. And then second, I wanted to

3833
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:25,680
back up what the consultants are saying.

3834
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:27,439
Over a long period of time, starting

3835
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:30,800
with um sort of the mid9s when the

3836
02:39:30,800 --> 02:39:33,920
parking assessment district terminated,

3837
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:38,319
um the town actively sought owners of

3838
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:40,800
these buildings in the commercial core

3839
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:44,240
to enhance uh the downstairs, the

3840
02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:47,200
southacing portion of their buildings.

3841
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:49,760
And so that was done at a number of

3842
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:51,760
those buildings with ours, with Village

3843
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:55,280
Doctor, with the uh pub building uh

3844
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:57,840
moving the pub from its top floor

3845
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:00,240
location that fronted Woodside Road to

3846
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:03,439
the uh bottom floor that fronts the

3847
02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:05,600
shared street and faces south. And then

3848
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:07,120
of course the Gilbert's building was

3849
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:09,120
built brand new at the end of that

3850
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,920
commercial core east end and it has

3851
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:15,520
quite a southern orientation to it. So,

3852
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:18,720
I think this whole concept fits in well

3853
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,680
with all that. Third final comment. As

3854
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:23,680
far as I know, the parking assessment

3855
02:40:23,680 --> 02:40:26,399
district does not exist. It no longer

3856
02:40:26,399 --> 02:40:28,720
shows on our title records on both

3857
02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:31,439
properties. It was terminated once the

3858
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:33,680
debt was fully paid off. That was a big

3859
02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:37,359
ceremony that Susan George held uh the

3860
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:40,319
town manager before Kevin Bryant and uh

3861
02:40:40,319 --> 02:40:46,550
it was a big accomplishment. Thank you.

3862
02:40:46,560 --> 02:40:48,479
We'll follow up on that pad

3863
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,880
comment.

3864
02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:52,720
Uh, hi Steve.

3865
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:56,240
>> Hi, Steve Lumen again. Um, I uh I really

3866
02:40:56,240 --> 02:40:58,960
like the shared streets idea and I'm not

3867
02:40:58,960 --> 02:41:01,520
sure it actually I think the gate might

3868
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:03,840
be enough. It's, you know, this is

3869
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,840
mostly private property and I think if

3870
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:07,040
people developed these properties,

3871
02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:09,439
they'd have the opportunity to do their

3872
02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:12,160
own paving and I'm not sure there's any

3873
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:14,880
expense involved in it. Just let it be

3874
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:17,920
as it is. Uh because it's it kind of

3875
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:21,120
functions that way now. Um although I

3876
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:23,680
have no objection to paving. As far as

3877
02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:26,880
Woodside Road goes, I think it's really

3878
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:29,760
a tragedy of the town. The what we have

3879
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:33,520
there now was built by CALR when when

3880
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:36,399
Woodside was fighting CALR building 280

3881
02:41:36,399 --> 02:41:39,840
through town. All the CALR traffic from

3882
02:41:39,840 --> 02:41:42,080
the north was

3883
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:46,160
fennled onto Kinyatta Road and they they

3884
02:41:46,160 --> 02:41:48,720
standard station that used to be where

3885
02:41:48,720 --> 02:41:51,439
Alec McDonald Park is now was removed

3886
02:41:51,439 --> 02:41:53,760
and this whole section was was turned

3887
02:41:53,760 --> 02:41:56,800
into a freeway and and I think it's just

3888
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,040
an eyesore for the town and a horrible

3889
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:02,000
place to walk and and it encourages

3890
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,640
people to speed through here. There used

3891
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:07,359
to be parking on the on the north side

3892
02:42:07,359 --> 02:42:09,680
of Woodside Road, which the council

3893
02:42:09,680 --> 02:42:11,840
banned when the pub used to face

3894
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:13,840
Woodside Road. There were a lot of

3895
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:15,439
people crossing the road there, and the

3896
02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:17,600
council banned it. I think it's a

3897
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:20,720
no-brainer to replace those 20 parking

3898
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:24,560
spots or so on the north side. um get

3899
02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:26,880
rid of the left turn lane, have have

3900
02:42:26,880 --> 02:42:31,200
pockets to make the the the the uh

3901
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,040
illustration that Richard was talking

3902
02:42:33,040 --> 02:42:35,280
about that showed a left turn pocket,

3903
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:37,120
which he doesn't like, but I think would

3904
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:39,760
work just fine to allow those people to

3905
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,840
park along the south side of Woodside

3906
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:45,920
Road there. these lanes, you know, if we treated this the same way we're

3907
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:49,120
thinking about area A, you know, of it

3908
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:52,319
having lots of of of traffic coming

3909
02:42:52,319 --> 02:42:54,640
devices, you're having, you know, having

3910
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:56,880
adding a couple of crosswalks here from

3911
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,680
the parking on the north side, uh

3912
02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:03,040
narrowing the lanes to 11 ft and I that

3913
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:04,720
the illustration showed parallel

3914
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:06,479
parking. You know, it's that would lose

3915
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:09,200
a lot of parking if you had a diagonal

3916
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:11,760
backend parking there. It would be safer

3917
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:14,160
than the than the than the perpendicular

3918
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:16,160
parking and would provide a lot more

3919
02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:18,240
parking. Again, you know, this is a

3920
02:43:18,240 --> 02:43:21,200
great opportunity to increase parking in

3921
02:43:21,200 --> 02:43:24,000
town. So,

3922
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:29,910
thank you.

3923
02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:32,560
» Um, Richard, your hand is up again.

3924
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:34,000
Maybe it hasn't come down, but I know

3925
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:35,040
you've already spoken.

3926
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:35,439
>> No.

3927
02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:36,640
>> Is there something additional you wanted

3928
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:37,439
to say?

3929
02:43:37,439 --> 02:43:40,479
to Steve because these these parking

3930
02:43:40,479 --> 02:43:42,960
stalls along the north sides of these

3931
02:43:42,960 --> 02:43:46,000
buildings, all five of all six of them,

3932
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:48,800
of which we own two, those stalls are

3933
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:51,040
very very important and that

3934
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:53,439
preservation of that middle lane is

3935
02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:57,040
absolutely key for these top floors on

3936
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:59,680
the two-story buildings. Uh there has

3937
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:01,600
been concerted effort over a long period

3938
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:05,040
of time to create ADA compliant stalls

3939
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:07,760
at each one of these buildings to

3940
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:10,560
obligate somebody who is handicapped to

3941
02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:13,680
drive past the building westbound and

3942
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:16,240
then turn either right on Kenyatta or

3943
02:44:16,240 --> 02:44:19,120
left on Mountain Home, find a side

3944
02:44:19,120 --> 02:44:21,439
street to make a Uturn on and then come

3945
02:44:21,439 --> 02:44:25,520
back to access these north stalls is

3946
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:28,720
simply taking a golden stall at the

3947
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:30,960
front of these buildings, facing the

3948
02:44:30,960 --> 02:44:32,800
building, adjoining the building, and

3949
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:35,680
turning it into something

3950
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:38,640
much less desirable. They those stalls

3951
02:44:38,640 --> 02:44:39,840
have been there for a long, long time,

3952
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:42,080
and so is that middle turn lane, and I

3953
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:43,520
made that clear in the letter that I

3954
02:44:43,520 --> 02:44:46,399
wrote yesterday. Um, the tenants value

3955
02:44:46,399 --> 02:44:48,640
it, their customers, their guests, their

3956
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:52,160
invitees, vendors, contractors, and any

3957
02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:54,080
sort of alteration of that middle lane,

3958
02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:57,920
cutting it off into something less would

3959
02:44:57,920 --> 02:45:00,720
be significantly detrimental to both of

3960
02:45:00,720 --> 02:45:04,800
us, um, both LLC's. And I would argue it

3961
02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:07,279
the same argument applies to all the

3962
02:45:07,279 --> 02:45:09,840
others there. So, while I understand

3963
02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:12,560
Steve's concerns about the width of the

3964
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:15,920
roadway, shoot, this the fourth time

3965
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:18,720
town center has been studied since uh my

3966
02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:20,640
family bought these two buildings in

3967
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:24,399
1977 and 1987. Lots of work's been done

3968
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:26,960
to try to change things out there, but

3969
02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:29,840
the constraints, as Paul mentioned

3970
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:32,479
earlier on another topic, Council Member

3971
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:34,960
Gold on another topic, the constraints

3972
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:37,200
here are really substantive, really

3973
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:40,560
substantial. So, it just is what it is.

3974
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:42,479
Thank you.

3975
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:44,399
>> Thank you. Any other public comments on

3976
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:46,399
area C?

3977
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:47,680
All right. Hearing none, we'll close

3978
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:49,439
public comment, move on to deliberations

3979
02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:59,110
or any d direction based on this page.

3980
02:45:59,120 --> 02:46:01,840
Anyone?

3981
02:46:01,840 --> 02:46:03,840
>> I kind of like the the idea of the

3982
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:07,200
walking space. Um, but I'd like to

3983
02:46:07,200 --> 02:46:09,279
understand more about how it works

3984
02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:12,479
elsewhere in terms of encouraging

3985
02:46:12,479 --> 02:46:15,279
um pedestrian parking or pedestrian use

3986
02:46:15,279 --> 02:46:18,080
as well as that it does not discourage

3987
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,640
parking.

3988
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:22,160
You're saying you like the shared road

3989
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:23,200
concept in the back?

3990
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:24,800
>> Yeah, I kind of like the look of it.

3991
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:28,389
>> Yep. Okay.

3992
02:46:28,399 --> 02:46:31,359
» I as far I think concept two is

3993
02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:33,200
essentially turning black pavement into

3994
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:34,720
pavers.

3995
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:34,960
>> Yeah,

3996
02:46:34,960 --> 02:46:35,760
>> it's aesthetic.

3997
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:37,439
>> It's not It's not much more complicated.

3998
02:46:37,439 --> 02:46:39,040
>> No, you could have lights and stuff, but

3999
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:44,000
it's not it's it's not magic. It's it's minimal. Yeah,

4000
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:45,439
>> I'm I'm with that one.

4001
02:46:45,439 --> 02:46:47,760
>> Okay.

4002
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:50,240
I think concept 2 is a super cool idea.

4003
02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:53,439
Um I have thought a lot about that area

4004
02:46:53,439 --> 02:46:55,600
and how it could be improved and never

4005
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:58,000
thought of that. So I think um it's a

4006
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:02,960
great idea. Um I think in a way it could

4007
02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:06,000
kind of create a community space. You

4008
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:09,600
could imagine, you know, like um people

4009
02:47:09,600 --> 02:47:12,720
going to uh the pub and and you know,

4010
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,439
being able to walk, you know, you know,

4011
02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:17,920
to the Pioneer. So, I I think it's a

4012
02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:19,520
really great idea. I love that the

4013
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:21,680
majority of the community advisory

4014
02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:25,040
committee supported it. Um, doesn't

4015
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:26,640
eliminate parking. The businesses

4016
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:29,840
support it. Um, I think there could be

4017
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:31,920
more opportunity in this idea of

4018
02:47:31,920 --> 02:47:33,760
orienting

4019
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:36,960
the businesses to the rear and how that

4020
02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:39,200
how I think there's I would love to see

4021
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:41,439
more ideas around like how then might

4022
02:47:41,439 --> 02:47:45,279
that create opportunities um for more

4023
02:47:45,279 --> 02:47:47,120
parking along Woodside Road. Maybe some

4024
02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:49,200
vegetation screening because I think it

4025
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:52,479
is kind of an eyeshore um you know as

4026
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:55,760
you travel down Woodside Road. Um, so I

4027
02:47:55,760 --> 02:48:00,560
think um I'm very supportive.

4028
02:48:00,560 --> 02:48:03,279
>> Uh, I'd also support concept 2. Um,

4029
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:07,279
seems minimally invasive and um, yeah,

4030
02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:10,000
it seems like a big improvement.

4031
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:12,240
>> Great. All right. I think you've got the

4032
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:13,439
direction of though. I think we need a

4033
02:48:13,439 --> 02:48:15,439
little followup on if still exists or

4034
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:18,160
not. So, I'm looking out at Jean, but

4035
02:48:18,160 --> 02:48:21,920
another time, not for tonight. Um, but

4036
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:24,319
okay. So just to be clear, the direction

4037
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:26,720
is to con keep considering all the ideas

4038
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:28,479
here or just

4039
02:48:28,479 --> 02:48:28,880
>> two

4040
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:30,640
>> only two. So we're gonna take the other

4041
02:48:30,640 --> 02:48:37,349
two off the table from standpoint. Okay.

4042
02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:39,279
» Onward and upward. I think we can still

4043
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:41,920
do it.

4044
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,720
>> Okay. Uh Whiskey Hill Road and Woodside

4045
02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:48,319
Road area D. Uh the community feedback

4046
02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:50,560
we heard is it's very difficult to make

4047
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:54,720
a left turn off Whiskey Hill uh on the

4048
02:48:54,720 --> 02:48:57,680
Woodside. The other concern was that

4049
02:48:57,680 --> 02:49:00,399
traffic doesn't tend to slow down until

4050
02:49:00,399 --> 02:49:04,160
they reach the Kinyatta intersection. So

4051
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:06,720
how do we make Woodside Road slower and

4052
02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:08,800
safer? And then how do we make that left

4053
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:13,680
turn uh not so difficult? Next slide.

4054
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:17,200
Uh we presented two concepts. One was

4055
02:49:17,200 --> 02:49:21,120
adding a three-way stop uh on the

4056
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:22,319
intersection of Whiskey Hill and

4057
02:49:22,319 --> 02:49:26,080
Woodside, enhancing crosswalks. Uh and

4058
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:28,880
then, you know, the we would have to

4059
02:49:28,880 --> 02:49:32,160
modify the um approach to the little

4060
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,880
tunnel that's in the building there, but

4061
02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:37,279
there could be a right turn in into that

4062
02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:41,359
building. The option on the left uh is a

4063
02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:44,240
roundabout concept and the concept there

4064
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:47,359
is the driver is really focused on one

4065
02:49:47,359 --> 02:49:50,640
vector of movement uh versus you know

4066
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:52,560
when you're making a a standard

4067
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:54,080
intersection you're watching for both

4068
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:57,359
directions. So uh the roundabout is set

4069
02:49:57,359 --> 02:50:00,800
up so that there's pedestrian um refuge

4070
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:03,120
areas. So you you can you only have to

4071
02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:06,319
cross half the street at a time. Um, and

4072
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:10,160
so the middle table is a mountable truck

4073
02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:13,120
apron, which is very low, has a very

4074
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:14,960
slight rise to it, but it's a very

4075
02:50:14,960 --> 02:50:16,720
strong visual signal that you're to

4076
02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:18,880
drive around it. What it does allow,

4077
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:21,120
however, is trucks to drive over top of

4078
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:24,560
it or to make those turning radiuses.

4079
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:27,600
Uh, so that that was those two concepts.

4080
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:30,240
The response that we got was interesting

4081
02:50:30,240 --> 02:50:32,640
because it led to the next concept which

4082
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:34,640
is something the circulation con

4083
02:50:34,640 --> 02:50:37,279
committee is already working on.

4084
02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:41,040
And this was and this really stemmed

4085
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:44,560
from concerns about congestion that the

4086
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:46,720
time to travel from one side of Woodside

4087
02:50:46,720 --> 02:50:49,760
to the other gets pretty strenuous uh

4088
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:52,240
during commute peaks. And so this one

4089
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:53,920
here is you could make a left off

4090
02:50:53,920 --> 02:50:56,080
Whiskey Hill and essentially you extend

4091
02:50:56,080 --> 02:50:59,600
that turn lane. Um and so that turn lane

4092
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:02,720
becomes a spot where you could wait and

4093
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:06,399
merge into traffic when things free up.

4094
02:51:06,399 --> 02:51:09,040
So that that's a way for a left turner

4095
02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:11,120
to get out. They only have to cross one

4096
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:15,600
lane of traffic at a time. So uh that's

4097
02:51:15,600 --> 02:51:17,359
the concept here. It doesn't necessarily

4098
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:20,479
address the lowering of vehicle speeds

4099
02:51:20,479 --> 02:51:22,960
into Woodside, but it does at least

4100
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:25,200
address half the the issues, which was

4101
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:28,000
making a left off Whiskey Hill.

4102
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:30,000
Next slide.

4103
02:51:30,000 --> 02:51:33,040
So, there was support from the CAC with

4104
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:36,800
the merge lane that was mentioned. Um,

4105
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:38,720
uh, only a handful of folks supported

4106
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,840
the three-way stop and only a handful of

4107
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:46,469
folks supported the mini roundabout.

4108
02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:47,600
might go fast.

4109
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:49,520
>> They're consistent.

4110
02:51:49,520 --> 02:51:54,479
>> Uh any any questions?

4111
02:51:54,479 --> 02:51:58,319
All right. Any comments from the public?

4112
02:51:58,319 --> 02:51:59,840
Uh

4113
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:01,520
one lubin and then the other luben.

4114
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:03,520
>> I um

4115
02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:06,800
anything that makes people not come

4116
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:11,279
through Woodside with ways w

4117
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:13,520
uh I'm all for. you could have stop sign

4118
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:14,880
every three blocks as far as I'm

4119
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:18,399
concerned because uh when when traffic

4120
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:21,600
is blocked up going north on 280

4121
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:24,560
uh they come up Woodside Road, they turn

4122
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:27,520
right on Kenyatta and it's it's a

4123
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:29,439
traffic jam and there's times when I

4124
02:52:29,439 --> 02:52:30,960
live along Kinyata Road, there's times I

4125
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:35,600
can't even get out. Um, so

4126
02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:39,520
I I prefer the three-way stop.

4127
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:41,520
And I also think if we could figure out

4128
02:52:41,520 --> 02:52:43,439
a way to

4129
02:52:43,439 --> 02:52:46,720
put up some signs that says La Honda and

4130
02:52:46,720 --> 02:52:51,040
you turn left from Woodside Road onto

4131
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:55,040
Whiskey Hill, Sand Hill, Portola,

4132
02:52:55,040 --> 02:52:58,880
and we make it so it's 20 or 25 miles an

4133
02:52:58,880 --> 02:53:01,279
hour through town. we will get a lot

4134
02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:05,359
less traffic and anything that that

4135
02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:08,319
encourages that I'm all for. It helps

4136
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:10,800
all of these schemes if people are going

4137
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:13,040
slower especially at the school and the

4138
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:14,640
intersection.

4139
02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:16,720
Um,

4140
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:19,439
uh, I don't know. The roundabout might

4141
02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:22,560
work. Uh, but again, anything that slows

4142
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:25,120
it down and and if we could long range

4143
02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:27,200
look at diverting traffic over to

4144
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:31,200
Lahonda from that intersection, I think

4145
02:53:31,200 --> 02:53:34,479
>> would really calm things down in in the

4146
02:53:34,479 --> 02:53:37,040
center of town.

4147
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:39,840
Thank you, Steve.

4148
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:41,760
>> I was going to say pretty much the same

4149
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:44,160
thing except I mean I I think this

4150
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:46,640
circulation committee scheme really

4151
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:48,880
accommodates people speeding into town

4152
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:50,880
and I don't think that's what we really

4153
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:52,640
want to do. When we look at our goals,

4154
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:55,040
we're talking about slowing people down

4155
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:58,080
back at hosiendas or something. And so I

4156
02:53:58,080 --> 02:54:00,319
think either, you know, the three-way or

4157
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:02,640
the the roundabout would be a big

4158
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:04,720
improvement, but I think even better is

4159
02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:07,520
a three-way stop that inflects towards

4160
02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:10,240
Whiskey Hill Road so that it's just as

4161
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:12,000
easy to take Whiskey Hill as it is

4162
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:14,000
Woodside Road. And that will take some

4163
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:20,479
number of people out of town center. the issue I don't think is so much u you

4164
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:22,640
know the I think what we should be

4165
02:54:22,640 --> 02:54:26,080
trying to do is is slowing people down

4166
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:28,319
but eliminating the bottlenecks and the

4167
02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:30,640
main bottleneck is Kinyatta and Woodside

4168
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:33,439
Road that you know if if you it would be

4169
02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:35,279
great if people were driving 20 m an

4170
02:54:35,279 --> 02:54:38,080
hour from Hosiendas all the way to Kings

4171
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:39,600
Mountain Road I think that's what we're

4172
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:42,880
aiming for and to do that we have to put

4173
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:48,080
some friction at this intersection and we have to narrow the lanes in by

4174
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:50,800
Village Hill and make that not look like

4175
02:54:50,800 --> 02:54:54,000
a freeway. Uh

4176
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:57,200
so I think you know the the the

4177
02:54:57,200 --> 02:54:59,920
circulation committee's proposal doesn't

4178
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:02,000
do that at all. It was aimed at at

4179
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:03,920
making it easier to make a left turn,

4180
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:09,840
but it anyway, you get it. Yep.

4181
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:11,200
Okay.

4182
02:55:11,200 --> 02:55:15,840
>> Any other public comments? Area D.

4183
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:17,200
hearing. None. We'll close public

4184
02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:20,080
comment. Any deliberations or direction

4185
02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:21,920
that anyone has here?

4186
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:24,080
>> Yeah, I'll start. And to me, it's very

4187
02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:26,800
simple. I think the uh the roundabout is

4188
02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:29,520
an interesting idea. Starting to explore

4189
02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:33,359
much more carefully, but uh it will slow

4190
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:37,200
traffic coming both over from 280 as

4191
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:39,680
well as uh trying to get uh up Whiskey

4192
02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:42,240
Hill. And I think it gives both of them

4193
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:45,600
an avenue to do that. and u slow it but

4194
02:55:45,600 --> 02:55:47,439
keep it moving moving is the kind of way

4195
02:55:47,439 --> 02:55:50,479
I look at it

4196
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:52,319
>> so you're pushing concept too

4197
02:55:52,319 --> 02:55:54,560
>> yes

4198
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:56,800
>> any other thoughts

4199
02:55:56,800 --> 02:55:59,040
go for it

4200
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:02,160
>> um so I was a big fan of the roundabout

4201
02:56:02,160 --> 02:56:07,120
um and um I was actually surprised that

4202
02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:08,800
it was so poorly received by the

4203
02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:10,319
committee I mean they really shot it

4204
02:56:10,319 --> 02:56:12,560
down I mean pretty quickly I mean it was

4205
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:14,000
like really poo pooed

4206
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:16,399
Um, and I was actually disappointed

4207
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:18,160
because I think it's it addresses a lot

4208
02:56:18,160 --> 02:56:19,920
of the issues. It slows cars down but

4209
02:56:19,920 --> 02:56:21,600
keeps them moving. It allows people to

4210
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:23,680
come out of Whiskey Hill. Slowing people

4211
02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:25,040
down before they get to our main

4212
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:27,040
intersection is a big deal, I think,

4213
02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:28,479
because otherwise they're just racing

4214
02:56:28,479 --> 02:56:30,080
through there when there's little

4215
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:32,240
traffic, which doesn't happen so often

4216
02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:34,160
anymore. But one of the worst things I

4217
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:35,279
think you could do, I'm really against

4218
02:56:35,279 --> 02:56:37,840
the three-way stop sign, is you're

4219
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:41,680
creating a sit a a a dynamic where it's

4220
02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:44,080
just going to back up the entire way.

4221
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:47,840
So, so now uh you won't be able to

4222
02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:49,120
you'll just be sitting there at the stop

4223
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:50,080
sign and you're going to have to wait

4224
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:51,680
for one space to open up in front of

4225
02:56:51,680 --> 02:56:52,880
you. You're going to go there and it's

4226
02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:54,399
just really frustrates everybody. It's

4227
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:55,920
like waiting at a traffic light. The

4228
02:56:55,920 --> 02:56:57,760
light changes and nobody moves. That's

4229
02:56:57,760 --> 02:56:59,439
what you're going to have with with the

4230
02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:01,040
multiple stop signs. So, I think that

4231
02:57:01,040 --> 02:57:03,120
the I really like the traffic circle a

4232
02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:04,960
lot, but I changed my mind. Well, I

4233
02:57:04,960 --> 02:57:07,920
mean, I when I heard the committee, you

4234
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:10,319
know, shoot it down so dramatically, I

4235
02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:11,760
was just like, well, okay. And I thought

4236
02:57:11,760 --> 02:57:14,319
you answered it really well, Ryan, with

4237
02:57:14,319 --> 02:57:16,720
the that that you can actually Assan

4238
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:18,080
brought up the the point of horse

4239
02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:20,960
trailers and large trucks. Can a can a

4240
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:22,880
big truck make it around that circle?

4241
02:57:22,880 --> 02:57:24,319
Yes, they can. They can actually drive

4242
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:26,960
over the edges of it um without without

4243
02:57:26,960 --> 02:57:28,800
even affecting it. And we do see these

4244
02:57:28,800 --> 02:57:31,120
in Redwood City. There are areas where

4245
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:33,040
you see them all over the Bay Area now

4246
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:34,720
and uh they seem to work pretty well.

4247
02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:37,359
They have changed a lot since uh the

4248
02:57:37,359 --> 02:57:39,600
1950s when they were awful and I thought

4249
02:57:39,600 --> 02:57:42,399
that this one was nicely designed and I

4250
02:57:42,399 --> 02:57:43,600
was in favor of it, but I'm not going

4251
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:44,800
to, you know, fight the committee

4252
02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:46,800
either. But I'm glad to see that there

4253
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:48,640
seems to be some support for it. Maybe

4254
02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:53,269
they can revisit.

4255
02:57:53,279 --> 02:57:56,319
» You had something about

4256
02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:59,359
>> Yeah. Um, I am supportive of Concept

4257
02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:03,600
Zero, um, as sort of like a a minimum

4258
02:58:03,600 --> 02:58:08,479
way to deal with the the speed and

4259
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:11,120
traffic issues that we all have to live

4260
02:58:11,120 --> 02:58:13,760
with. Um, so yeah, I would definitely

4261
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:16,000
support concept zero, although I I agree

4262
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:22,240
with council members Brown and Gold. I I am disappointed to see that the mini

4263
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:25,120
roundabout concept did not get more

4264
02:58:25,120 --> 02:58:26,880
support. Um, it sounds like it was

4265
02:58:26,880 --> 02:58:30,080
supported by a handful of the CAC. Um,

4266
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:31,600
you know, I recognize that, you know,

4267
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:33,120
there were some concerns about horse

4268
02:58:33,120 --> 02:58:34,560
trailers. It sounds like horse trailers

4269
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:36,720
and large trucks can certainly navigate

4270
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:40,880
such a roundabout. So, um, I would, as a

4271
02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:42,479
as policy direction, I would be

4272
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:45,840
supportive of of asking the CAC to take

4273
02:58:45,840 --> 02:58:55,279
another look at this. Um, and you know, really kind of, you know,

4274
02:58:55,279 --> 02:58:56,880
determine if if we want to do something

4275
02:58:56,880 --> 02:59:01,680
a bit more um

4276
02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:06,150
ambitious than concept zero.

4277
02:59:06,160 --> 02:59:08,640
» Yeah. Um, I would agree with the with

4278
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:11,279
everyone who's spoken so far. Um, I I

4279
02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:14,479
really like the the roundabout concept.

4280
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:16,640
Um, I thought it was unfortunate as

4281
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,680
well. I'm not sure. Um I feel like it

4282
02:59:19,680 --> 02:59:21,520
maybe been dismissed a little too

4283
02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:24,399
quickly. Uh because it really does, you

4284
02:59:24,399 --> 02:59:27,120
know, resolve the the speeding issue. Um

4285
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:30,960
and also makes it easier to turn left uh

4286
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:33,920
from Whiskey Hill. So I also agree I'm

4287
02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:37,200
not a fan of concept one um for the

4288
02:59:37,200 --> 02:59:40,000
reasons Paul gave. Um

4289
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:41,760
I think I think it would just create a

4290
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:43,600
lot more traffic. So I I'd be happy to

4291
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:46,479
get rid of that one. Um I could be okay

4292
02:59:46,479 --> 02:59:51,439
with zero concept zero. I do think it um

4293
02:59:51,439 --> 02:59:54,479
uh Stephen Talia raised good points that

4294
02:59:54,479 --> 02:59:57,040
it's going to that is going to probably

4295
02:59:57,040 --> 02:59:59,760
increase speeding. So um not my top

4296
02:59:59,760 --> 03:00:02,240
choice but so yes I would I would

4297
03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:04,080
propose kind of keeping forward with

4298
03:00:04,080 --> 03:00:06,240
zero and two.

4299
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:08,160
>> Great. Thank you. I I think we're

4300
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:10,960
probably all in agreement. Um

4301
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:14,080
yes, concept zero is sort of the table

4302
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:17,200
stakes. Um I think I I maybe but the

4303
03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:19,200
issue is it just I I personally feel

4304
03:00:19,200 --> 03:00:21,600
that be nice to have a creative design

4305
03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:23,520
somewhere too, you know, something that

4306
03:00:23,520 --> 03:00:25,200
just welcomes you as you come over the

4307
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:28,960
hillside like that. Um

4308
03:00:28,960 --> 03:00:30,880
it's too bad it can't have a beautiful

4309
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:32,160
big tree or something in the middle of

4310
03:00:32,160 --> 03:00:33,760
it, but it seems like it can't, right?

4311
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:35,120
Because it's too small. It has to

4312
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:36,800
literally be you're rolling over that

4313
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:37,600
thing if you need to roll.

4314
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:40,399
>> Yeah. and sight lines and stuff, but

4315
03:00:40,399 --> 03:00:46,469
>> Okay. Yeah. Well,

4316
03:00:46,479 --> 03:00:48,800
» uh, okay.

4317
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:51,600
>> As a property owner, of course. Yes.

4318
03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:53,680
We'll break call jump back into public

4319
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:54,160
comment.

4320
03:00:54,160 --> 03:00:56,240
>> You don't have Bill and I spend a lot of

4321
03:00:56,240 --> 03:00:56,640
time.

4322
03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:58,800
>> Can you put need to talk? Bill and I

4323
03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:02,000
spend a lot of time in Lake County and

4324
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:05,120
there all it is are what are those

4325
03:01:05,120 --> 03:01:07,600
things called? Roundabouts. They're the

4326
03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:09,439
greatest thing that were ever invented.

4327
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:12,000
You're absolutely right. They're safe.

4328
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:15,279
We have a big truck. We've had animals

4329
03:01:15,279 --> 03:01:17,840
in the back of our truck and you know,

4330
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:19,840
they're not I wouldn't never hurt an

4331
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:22,240
animal. So, I'll hurt a person first

4332
03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:25,359
before an animal, but um anyway, it

4333
03:01:25,359 --> 03:01:28,240
they're great. They work really well and

4334
03:01:28,240 --> 03:01:30,240
I don't I think it's a something that

4335
03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:32,560
should be considered. We I was on the

4336
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:35,520
CAC, but I got there late, so I didn't I

4337
03:01:35,520 --> 03:01:36,720
don't know how it came out with this,

4338
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:38,479
but it's one of the best things I've

4339
03:01:38,479 --> 03:01:41,439
ever seen. And it's in the dark and

4340
03:01:41,439 --> 03:01:43,840
they're lit up and you can see and

4341
03:01:43,840 --> 03:01:47,920
>> yeah, it's really good. We should demand

4342
03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:49,359
those circular things.

4343
03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:50,800
>> Well, there you go. And we have a little

4344
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:52,479
property owner support, adjacent

4345
03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:54,160
property owner. And I'll add that if I'm

4346
03:01:54,160 --> 03:01:55,680
coming from the freeway turning left

4347
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:57,760
into the bank,

4348
03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:00,080
>> somebody's on my butt, it's really hard

4349
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:02,319
to turn left cuz they're like,

4350
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:04,880
>> "Yeah." Okay,

4351
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:05,600
>> I'm

4352
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:07,200
>> There you go. That sounds like direction

4353
03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:10,319
is we'll ask the in engagement. We'll

4354
03:02:10,319 --> 03:02:13,600
ask about zero and two as kind of

4355
03:02:13,600 --> 03:02:14,880
>> spin around.

4356
03:02:14,880 --> 03:02:17,120
>> There we go. And uh maybe

4357
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:20,240
>> 10:05 areas area E final area.

4358
03:02:20,240 --> 03:02:23,760
>> Easy. Last one's easy, but

4359
03:02:23,760 --> 03:02:26,880
Next slide.

4360
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:31,600
So, uh the issue here is uh creating a

4361
03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:34,080
multi-use paved path. And then the

4362
03:02:34,080 --> 03:02:37,840
second issue was whether we um promote

4363
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:39,920
use of the tunnel or how we promote use

4364
03:02:39,920 --> 03:02:41,840
of the tunnel to the east side of

4365
03:02:41,840 --> 03:02:44,960
Woodside. Next slide.

4366
03:02:44,960 --> 03:02:48,319
Um so the multi-use path on the north

4367
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:50,720
side was supported uh by the majority of

4368
03:02:50,720 --> 03:02:52,960
the CAC. The south side is very

4369
03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:55,279
difficult due to a lot of variable

4370
03:02:55,279 --> 03:02:57,840
shoulder conditions. Um so the north

4371
03:02:57,840 --> 03:03:00,399
side the challenge is we need to

4372
03:03:00,399 --> 03:03:03,359
meaningfully connect it to the um

4373
03:03:03,359 --> 03:03:06,160
multimodal underpass and yeah just

4374
03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:08,240
getting across Woodside Road in the safe

4375
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:11,600
way. Uh concept two was the open tunnel

4376
03:03:11,600 --> 03:03:13,439
under I280.

4377
03:03:13,439 --> 03:03:16,479
It's currently open, but it really could

4378
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,560
use some enhancement to make it more

4379
03:03:18,560 --> 03:03:21,120
attractive for use and better more

4380
03:03:21,120 --> 03:03:24,560
intentional trail access. Um, apparently

4381
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:26,880
it's quite difficult to get to um or

4382
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:30,080
it's just not inviting at all. Uh, so

4383
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:32,399
minority support generally, but strong

4384
03:03:32,399 --> 03:03:36,640
support from Woodside Hill residents.

4385
03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:39,359
>> Great. Okay. Any additional questions on

4386
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:40,880
this?

4387
03:03:40,880 --> 03:03:44,479
All right. Any comments from the public?

4388
03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,800
Uh, hi. Welcome, Mr. Duker.

4389
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:49,840
>> Something once. Okay. So, I just cuz,

4390
03:03:49,840 --> 03:03:51,760
uh, some of this probably came for me

4391
03:03:51,760 --> 03:03:53,600
and maybe got We were in the same place

4392
03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:55,279
as you are. Super late at night.

4393
03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:57,680
Everybody's tired, right? We were in the

4394
03:03:57,680 --> 03:03:59,520
same same place as you guys are tonight.

4395
03:03:59,520 --> 03:04:00,880
On Monday when we discussed this,

4396
03:04:00,880 --> 03:04:03,359
everybody's super tired. So to put a

4397
03:04:03,359 --> 03:04:05,439
point on it, there was a super strong

4398
03:04:05,439 --> 03:04:06,720
support from Woodside Heights and

4399
03:04:06,720 --> 03:04:09,120
Woodside Hills residents for the path

4400
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:12,640
along Woodside Road connecting from the

4401
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:14,479
path that's getting built right now that

4402
03:04:14,479 --> 03:04:16,160
Lewis is working on. Right. So we have a

4403
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:18,880
path coming from the high school to 280.

4404
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:21,040
Let's please extend that from 280 to

4405
03:04:21,040 --> 03:04:23,359
Town Center. You get 100. You had very

4406
03:04:23,359 --> 03:04:24,960
strong support for that in the CAC and

4407
03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:27,200
from those residents. The tunnel in 280.

4408
03:04:27,200 --> 03:04:29,120
I actually walked it with my dogs today.

4409
03:04:29,120 --> 03:04:31,040
The challenge we have it's a great

4410
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:32,880
asset. It's actually possible to walk

4411
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:34,960
from Town Center to Barkley Park. It's

4412
03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:36,720
beautiful. There's amazing trails the

4413
03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:38,399
whole way. The tunnel's open, but

4414
03:04:38,399 --> 03:04:40,960
there's not this is not a access for

4415
03:04:40,960 --> 03:04:42,399
like safe routes to school. It's a

4416
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:44,000
hiking trail. It's like hike with your

4417
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:46,160
dog. So, it's it's it's a it's it's

4418
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:48,399
apples and

4419
03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:50,240
use your metaphor bicycles, right? To

4420
03:04:50,240 --> 03:04:52,240
completely different. So, you guys I

4421
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:53,279
know haven't been there and haven't seen

4422
03:04:53,279 --> 03:04:55,920
it. I would just concept 2 is not going

4423
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:57,840
to help us provide connectivity for

4424
03:04:57,840 --> 03:04:59,760
people and bikes and safe rest of

4425
03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:01,600
school, but it'd be a great hiking thing

4426
03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:04,000
to clean up a little bit.

4427
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:06,160
>> Thank you, Dan.

4428
03:05:06,160 --> 03:05:09,120
Okay. Uh seeing no other public comment,

4429
03:05:09,120 --> 03:05:11,120
we'll close public comment. Any uh

4430
03:05:11,120 --> 03:05:14,640
anyone want to take a shot at direction?

4431
03:05:14,640 --> 03:05:15,520
>> Yeah, I will.

4432
03:05:15,520 --> 03:05:17,760
>> Okay, sir. I've been through that tunnel

4433
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:20,640
on the uh I'll call it the north side of

4434
03:05:20,640 --> 03:05:25,200
280 and up to Barkley Park and it is is

4435
03:05:25,200 --> 03:05:27,120
not going to be of appeal to the general

4436
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:34,469
public. Um it just it's just not

4437
03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:34,800
okay.

4438
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:37,680
>> Yeah. Let me echo that because it's my

4439
03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:39,279
just they play it all the time. I live

4440
03:05:39,279 --> 03:05:42,800
in Woodside Hills. um that tunnel you it

4441
03:05:42,800 --> 03:05:46,399
is not what people think it is and um I

4442
03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:48,000
suspect that a lot of the people from

4443
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:50,080
Woodside Hills who mention that tunnel

4444
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:51,920
have never walked through that tunnel.

4445
03:05:51,920 --> 03:05:53,359
First it's hard to get there. When you

4446
03:05:53,359 --> 03:05:55,279
get there you end up in a place in the

4447
03:05:55,279 --> 03:05:57,279
Glenns which is not very convenient

4448
03:05:57,279 --> 03:05:59,600
either uh to get in there. So it's not

4449
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:01,680
it's it's not kind of what it's cracked

4450
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:04,880
up to be. Um, I think a better idea,

4451
03:06:04,880 --> 03:06:06,800
this is a little bit off track here, but

4452
03:06:06,800 --> 03:06:09,439
um, and it's late, is I think getting

4453
03:06:09,439 --> 03:06:12,800
people to that north side multi-use

4454
03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:15,520
trail from Woodside Hills would be

4455
03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:16,880
useful. And you could do that by going

4456
03:06:16,880 --> 03:06:18,479
to the end of Toto Elm Mundo and

4457
03:06:18,479 --> 03:06:20,960
possibly getting up, you know, that way

4458
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:24,160
and avoiding that tunnel to be perfectly

4459
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:27,200
frank. Um, so I'm couldn't complete uh I

4460
03:06:27,200 --> 03:06:29,520
like the idea of the multi-use path on

4461
03:06:29,520 --> 03:06:31,680
the north side which connects up with

4462
03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:34,720
what Dan and Lewis are are working on

4463
03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:38,399
now um with Calran. So that's a really

4464
03:06:38,399 --> 03:06:40,240
good way to hook those things up and

4465
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:43,680
make it work. Right.

4466
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:46,319
>> Great. And I'll just say the idea of at

4467
03:06:46,319 --> 03:06:48,240
least conceptually somebody being able

4468
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:51,279
to walk to the their high school is a

4469
03:06:51,279 --> 03:06:53,520
good one. Um, and so it's a good goal to

4470
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:56,160
have.

4471
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:56,640
>> That's it.

4472
03:06:56,640 --> 03:06:58,319
>> Totally agree. I think con concept one

4473
03:06:58,319 --> 03:07:00,399
is a great idea. We should, the kids in

4474
03:07:00,399 --> 03:07:01,760
Woodside should be able to walk to their

4475
03:07:01,760 --> 03:07:03,760
high school. Um, I think we've talked

4476
03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:06,240
about this um, in other council

4477
03:07:06,240 --> 03:07:09,040
meetings. Um, and I think there's, you

4478
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:10,319
know, from what I have observed, a lot

4479
03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:12,080
of support for a multi-use path on the

4480
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:13,600
north side. So, very supportive of this

4481
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:17,349
idea.

4482
03:07:17,359 --> 03:07:21,040
» I agree. Perfect. We're good on concept

4483
03:07:21,040 --> 03:07:23,840
one. Thank you.

4484
03:07:23,840 --> 03:07:25,200
Is there any other direction you need

4485
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:29,190
from us tonight?

4486
03:07:29,200 --> 03:07:31,359
» We have a break, but we still have

4487
03:07:31,359 --> 03:07:32,880
parking,

4488
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:35,600
land use, and public space. They are,

4489
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:38,000
however, much shorter. We only have one

4490
03:07:38,000 --> 03:07:40,240
break and discussion point for each of

4491
03:07:40,240 --> 03:07:42,080
those topics.

4492
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:43,840
>> Yeah, we're going to continue. That's a

4493
03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:45,600
good call. Is you guys okay continuing?

4494
03:07:45,600 --> 03:07:46,720
I'm sorry. To another meeting.

4495
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:48,000
>> I'm supportive of continuing.

4496
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:49,040
>> Yeah.

4497
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:50,319
>> Keep it going.

4498
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:54,160
No. You mean continuing or continuation

4499
03:07:54,160 --> 03:07:55,120
to another time?

4500
03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:56,640
>> Continuation to another

4501
03:07:56,640 --> 03:07:57,600
>> another time.

4502
03:07:57,600 --> 03:07:59,439
>> Continuation.

4503
03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:00,240
>> Okay.

4504
03:08:00,240 --> 03:08:02,000
>> We prefer to go to another time.

4505
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:04,160
>> Okay. Okay. We're going to

4506
03:08:04,160 --> 03:08:06,160
>> continue this meeting to another time.

4507
03:08:06,160 --> 03:08:06,880
>> Another great

4508
03:08:06,880 --> 03:08:09,760
>> moment. Uh but thank you so much. Uh

4509
03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:11,439
yeah, it's like we tell our kids, no

4510
03:08:11,439 --> 03:08:14,319
good decisions happen after 10 p.m.

4511
03:08:14,319 --> 03:08:16,560
>> Um okay. Well, very good. Thank you so

4512
03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:17,120
much.

4513
03:08:17,120 --> 03:08:20,080
>> Appreciate it. Great job. Seriously, I

4514
03:08:20,080 --> 03:08:22,720
very impressive stuff.

4515
03:08:22,720 --> 03:08:24,000
>> All right, all we've got left is

4516
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:26,640
reports. So, any uh volunteer committee

4517
03:08:26,640 --> 03:08:28,080
reports?

4518
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:30,479
>> Just a reminder that the Mayday fun run

4519
03:08:30,479 --> 03:08:32,319
registration pre-registration closes

4520
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:35,200
this Thursday evening uh for Saturday's

4521
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:38,960
event and we highly

4522
03:08:38,960 --> 03:08:40,479
urge everybody to pre-register so the

4523
03:08:40,479 --> 03:08:43,200
morning of is not as crazy. Thank you.

4524
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:44,319
>> Okay, very good.

4525
03:08:44,319 --> 03:08:45,680
>> I have one announcement,

4526
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:49,200
>> sir. Um I was elected to be vice chair

4527
03:08:49,200 --> 03:08:52,560
of the San Francisco airport um the

4528
03:08:52,560 --> 03:08:55,200
community roundt that we participate in.

4529
03:08:55,200 --> 03:08:58,479
Um they actually wanted me to be chair

4530
03:08:58,479 --> 03:09:00,720
but in keeping with tradition I what

4531
03:09:00,720 --> 03:09:02,399
sorry um

4532
03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:04,880
>> I broke the tradition. Um but anyway

4533
03:09:04,880 --> 03:09:07,120
that was uh and and the interesting

4534
03:09:07,120 --> 03:09:09,760
thing is that Woodside I I'm going to

4535
03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:12,080
say something probably controversial

4536
03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:14,960
here. Um, I don't hear a whole lot from

4537
03:09:14,960 --> 03:09:16,800
our constituents and citizens about

4538
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:18,720
airport noise. I'm not saying we

4539
03:09:18,720 --> 03:09:19,920
airplane noise. I'm not saying we don't

4540
03:09:19,920 --> 03:09:21,600
have it. I'm not saying that it doesn't

4541
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:23,359
exist. There are people who complain

4542
03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:25,680
about it, but this ain't Milbury or

4543
03:09:25,680 --> 03:09:29,040
South San Francisco or, you know, a lot

4544
03:09:29,040 --> 03:09:30,640
of cities that just live with this

4545
03:09:30,640 --> 03:09:33,200
stuff, they can't sleep at night. Uh,

4546
03:09:33,200 --> 03:09:34,640
that doesn't happen here. I haven't

4547
03:09:34,640 --> 03:09:36,479
heard any planes here tonight either.

4548
03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:38,479
Um, so it's not a big deal. And I think

4549
03:09:38,479 --> 03:09:41,200
that the that it puts us in a unique

4550
03:09:41,200 --> 03:09:43,520
position on the round table where I

4551
03:09:43,520 --> 03:09:44,800
don't really have a dog in the fight

4552
03:09:44,800 --> 03:09:46,319
which makes it a little bit easier for

4553
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:49,200
us to u um assert some stuff and we're

4554
03:09:49,200 --> 03:09:50,720
actually already making some pretty

4555
03:09:50,720 --> 03:09:52,160
significant changes. So I'm hoping that

4556
03:09:52,160 --> 03:09:54,319
we'll have some good news to report on

4557
03:09:54,319 --> 03:09:56,319
that. I'm working with Steve Raldi who

4558
03:09:56,319 --> 03:09:58,880
is the vice mayor of Milbury and should

4559
03:09:58,880 --> 03:10:01,279
be chair and he is chair and uh to to

4560
03:10:01,279 --> 03:10:03,359
sort of make some changes that I've been

4561
03:10:03,359 --> 03:10:06,000
involved with this group since 1999

4562
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:08,880
and uh nothing has happened of note

4563
03:10:08,880 --> 03:10:10,720
since 1999 that I've been there and

4564
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:13,040
hopefully we can make some changes.

4565
03:10:13,040 --> 03:10:16,319
>> Wonderful and congratulations on your

4566
03:10:16,319 --> 03:10:18,319
position.

4567
03:10:18,319 --> 03:10:20,399
Anything else?

4568
03:10:20,399 --> 03:10:22,080
Okay. Well, very good. Then we will call

4569
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:25,399
it at 10:13.