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So, um, calling to order

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ASRB meeting for Monday, May the 4th. U,

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feels like it's been ages since the last

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So, we we might be a little rusty

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tonight. Um, can I can I have a roll

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call, please?

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>> Chair Lindsay,

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>> present.

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>> Vice Chair Comra,

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>> member Doug Aio, member Middleman,

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>> present,

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>> and member Sullivan

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» Summer.

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» there we go. Okay, just a reminder to

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anyone in the public who's attending

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tonight in person, if you could remember

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to sign in on our sign-in sheet at the

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entrance, uh on the way in or on the way

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out. Either way is good. Um do we have

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any changes to the agenda tonight?

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>> There are no changes to the agenda. Um

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there is one desk item for the project

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at 578 Mountain Home Road and that will

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Um at this point we call for any member

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comment on any topic not on tonight's

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agenda. You're welcome to do so now.

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» There's no one online. No one on um I

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don't see anyone in the room standing up

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rushing to the microphone.

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communications and I don't believe

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there's anything on the consent agenda.

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>> Uh there is there's just the minutes of

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January 12th.

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>> Okay. Does any member of the board or

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disc further discussion? Otherwise,

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consent agenda with one motion.

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>> Thanks,

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>> Chair Lindseay.

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>> Vice Chair Comra.

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>> Member Delgavio.

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>> Member Middleman.

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>> Member Sullivan.

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>> Yes. Great. Thanks. Um so the first

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actually first topic on tonight's agenda

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I believe is the reelection of the chair

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and vice chair roles. Is that correct?

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per the charter um there is a change in

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chair and vice chair. So um in terms of

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the process and if I mess anything up

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>> Thank you. um that uh you'll have a

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motion, you'll have it, you'll take

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nominations uh I believe for the chair

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first um and then uh if there's um only

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one nomine you'll vote on those nominees

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uh and then the person with the most

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votes will become chair and then you'll

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um and then uh vote for those

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nominations. And just to clarify the

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regulation um

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this puts a learn a term limit

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effectively on the roles uh in an effort

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to rotate u committee members through

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the positions. Um if can the chair serve

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as vice chair at the end of that two

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years and can

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>> um elevated top your head

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calendar there's a chance that if you

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went back to vice chair and then went

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for chair again that you may not be able

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to but we need to look at that further I

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>> It's I my understanding is you can you

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can be chair for no more than two years

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within a 4-year period

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>> believe. So I have a question. Can can

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we make a motion that

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the chair stays on for the next year?

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the town attorney. If that's where the

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consensus on that, then I'd want to

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check with the town attorney's office

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next meeting.

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great job and seems to have an interest.

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>> Just a reminder to speak in the mic.

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remaining as chair. And if it just means

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okay if we want to look into it.

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>> Oh, I think he's asking a question

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microphone's on. Um R Sullivan,

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>> do we have that option right now

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considering the way the code is? I mean,

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one more meeting is not a significant

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issue. So, I was just we'd be

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tableabling the item. I wouldn't be

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taking that action. If that's where the

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board wants to go, then I would have to

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consult with the town manager, town

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attorney's office to see if that's a

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path that could be taken.

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>> See if I can summarize right. The debate

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is if we're going to motion to table

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the nomination of chair and vice chair

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for a meeting in order for one cycle in

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order to get a proper answer on if

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uh the chair and or vice chair can

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extend their terms.

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>> That's correct.

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have one more year. I'm not going to so

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this would just be for the chair not for

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the chair and the vice chair. So we

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would be getting another person on the

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committee in that position.

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both nominations together,

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still have to occur.

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» So, you're looking for a motion to

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>> Second. You need a vote on that?

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clear that it's a unanimous decision.

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>> Chair Lindseay.

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>> Member Delgavio.

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» Okay. Take that up next meeting. So, uh,

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doing? doing uh 578 Mountain Rome Road

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>> Okay, great.

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» KGO's giving all the presentations

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» Hello and thank you. I will be

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introducing the project at 578 Mountain

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Home Road for architectural and site

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review board review. For this conceptual

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design review project, the applicant is

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proposing to demolish three existing

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accessory structures and a single family

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dwelling and to construct a new single

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family dwelling, a new barn with an

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interior ADU, a new detached ADU, a new

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detached pool house, a conversion of the

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remaining portion of the existing single

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family dwelling into a detached

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structure with a new addition and

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associated site improve. improvements.

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this project for you all today. Um if

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uh it kind of sheds light into what the

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adjacent neighbor is um uh has concerns

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that they have no issues with the

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project itself, but rather concerns of

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traffic. uh the neighbor utilizes the

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public rightway easement to access their

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property uh which I will be talking more

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about in the next slide and that they

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are requesting that the easement area is

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not used for parking and storage during

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construction. Uh during the next stage

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of design review and during the building

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permit stages, uh staff will have an

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opportunity to look closer at these uh

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preliminary uh construction and or uh

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staging and traffic plans and ensure

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that the neighbors concern uh in this

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desk item are addressed.

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uh the project site is 12.6 6 acres and

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it is in the SCP5 zoning district. Uh

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the basic setbacks for properties in the

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zoning district is 50 ft minimum from

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all sides. Uh this subject site is

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accessed through Hooper Lane, a private

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uh culde-sac street serving 550 through

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end of Hooper Lane and extends southwest

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strip of land on the northeastern uh

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portion of the site is a ride-of-way

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easement for the driveway of that

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neighboring property. Uh, that driveway

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nonaccessible to that uh to this project

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site. Um, and so the topography of the

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property. Uh the slope then declines

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rear portion of the project site. The

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rear portion is uh heavily wooded and

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undeveloped. Uh the property includes a

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site as well as a 15t wide equestrian

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easement along the western portion of

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the project site as well as a 15t wide

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uh sorry a 10-ft wide easement for

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electric utilities uh through through

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that center portion of the site. And so

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along the western edge. Um at this time

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pictures of the existing structures that

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this time. Um and so this includes uh

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the equipment barn uh at the rear uh

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bunker as well as those ancillary

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structures uh adjacent to the existing

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garden area.

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And so this plan sheet here shows the

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proposed demolition plan. Uh this

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includes uh the maintenance garage, uh

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the garage and the guest house which are

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proposed to be fully demolished. uh as

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well as uh the majority of the main

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residents uh except for the uh

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library/pavilion

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uh structure which I will get to in a

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little bit. Uh and uh also um some

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hardscaping around the main residence.

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And this is um additional pictures of

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those structures that are supposed to be

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removed. Uh and on the left you can see

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the existing guest house photos. Uh the

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existing maintenance garage photos in

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this column. Uh the existing garage

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photos in this column. And on the very

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right is the existing photos of that

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main residence.

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And so this is the proposed site plan

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which shows the extent of where the main

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residence will be located. Uh the

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footprint of the main residence will be

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shifted slightly uh further uh west.

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uh and also shows the locations of that

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uh detached ADU pool house and pavilion

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structure.

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And so these are the elevation plan

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sheets starting with the main residence.

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Um, as noted in the staff report, uh,

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the applicant at this time is, uh,

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proposing a structure of the main

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residence, um, that has portions that

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are greater than 30 ft in height. Uh,

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and at this time, uh, staff is

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recommending, uh, as noted in the staff

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report that the applicant reduce their

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height uh, for a variance uh, for

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variance not to be required uh, during

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the formal design review stage. would

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which would have to be reviewed by the

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planning commission.

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And so these are the other um post

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elevation. Uh this is for the south and

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north.

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And these are the proposed elevations

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for that newborn with an interior ADU.

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This is the proposed elevations uh for

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that new ADU.

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and the proposed elevations for the new

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pool house.

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This is the proposed elevation for the

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pavilion and also noted in the staff

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report uh a variance would be required

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for this uh detached pavilion. Uh this

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currently this pavilion is part of that

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main residence. But uh once the main

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residence um is shifted away from this

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pavilion structure, this detached

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pavilion would actually have to be

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meeting um basic height limitations for

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uh accessory structures, not for uh so

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in this case uh since this pavilion

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structure exceeds that 17 ft uh basic

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height allowed for accessory structures,

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a variance would be required.

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Um at this time it's uh a variance to

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height.

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Oh uh it's showing uh

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» it's 19 ft. It's about 19 feet.

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And these are the proposed elevations uh

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for that court courtyard. And as noted

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in the staff report, uh the majority of

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this courtyard is existing. And uh they

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are looking to do um uh some minor

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improvements uh throughout this exterior

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uh walls of this courtyard area and also

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restoring this uh coupa.

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And uh at this time uh there are no

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physical material samples uh and this is

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not a requirement for the conceptual

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design review stage. Uh however they uh

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presented uh digital samples of the

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those materials uh including for that

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main house poolhouse/barn

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and for the ADU which includes wood

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siding uh stone veneer for the wall and

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uh dark metal roof metal roof. And for

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that library pavilion and courtyard, uh

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they're proposing uh bricks as exterior

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materials and uh copper gutters and uh

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steel windows.

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And the applicant has also provided

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additional renderings.

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And that concludes my presentation. Uh

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staff is happy to answer any questions.

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Uh story pools were installed at the

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site at least 10 days before the hearing

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date and the applicant is also here in

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attendance to answer any questions.

379
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Thank you.

380
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>> Thank you. Um does anyone on the board

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have questions of staff?

382
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>> There's one question. Why would it be a

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height variances versus a height

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exception?

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So for

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it the exception

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to height variance would require uh

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specific findings um for that main

389
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residence which at this time they cannot

390
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meet and that includes um the 100 foot

391
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minimum setbacks required uh for the

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entirety of that main residence

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structure. So at this time they don't

394
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meet that uh requirement. So uh if they

395
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wish to pursue uh a variance to height

396
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uh they can go through the uh standard

397
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variance process uh during the formal

398
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design review stage.

399
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>> Thank you.

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» It says

401
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the the main thing with the detached

402
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structures is just what's inside of

403
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them. And so if it has a full bathroom

404
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and a kitchen and then either just an

405
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open room like a studio apartment or a

406
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separate bedroom, that would qualify as

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an ADU. Whereas you might have a pool

408
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house that doesn't have a kitchen in it.

409
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And so if it doesn't have those three

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components for eating, sleeping, and

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bathing, um, then it's not considered an

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ADU.

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And so they sometimes call it a pool

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house. They may call a guest house or

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something like that. Just not

416
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technically an ADU.

417
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>> It's

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>> so Yeah. So detached structures other

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than barns can be up to,500 square feet

420
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regardless of the use as long as the use

421
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is permitted.

422
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I wanted to clarify the exterior uh

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surface of the barn, not of the barn of

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the ADU and the other buildings. Some of

425
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the renderings and I understand their

426
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renderings look like it's light in

427
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finish and then some some of the others

428
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look like it's all very dark.

429
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>> Do we know?

430
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>> It's a good question. So, we reached out

431
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to the applicant and hopefully they can

432
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answer that question tonight.

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answer that.

434
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>> It's a good question. So, uh they are

435
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already over their maximum allowable

436
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paved area. And so, in the code, um if

437
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you are swapping more than 250 square

438
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ft, which they would be doing here,

439
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meaning they're taking some away from

440
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this part of the property and adding

441
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more to that part of the property. There

442
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is a code requirement in which I always

443
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try to struggle to explain this but you

444
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have to you you have to reduce the

445
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amount that you exceed the maximum by

446
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25%.

447
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So whatever you exceed over what you're

448
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allowed you have to reduce that number

449
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by 25%.

450
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Um so if you are over

451
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uh you know by 20,000 square feet you

452
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have to reduce that overage by

453
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>> so so heavy

454
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>> 4,000. Yes, they've show they've shown

455
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some preliminary plans. There are some

456
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uh things we need some clarifications on

457
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for the formal design review stage. Um

458
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but it looks like they can probably

459
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accomplish that.

460
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» Good. Any other questions?

461
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um

462
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height exceptions or variances on

463
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existing structures. Um is there an

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amount of structural change that needs

465
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to happen before that's triggered or

466
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>> So th this is the case with this

467
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particular proposal is that you have a

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portion of a building that is part of a

469
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main residence. Main residences can be

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up to 30 feet tall. And so this portion

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of the main residence is around 19 ft

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tall. That is conforming. it conforms to

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the existing standards for main

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residence. Now that they're going to

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demolish the main residence and make

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this a detached building, it would

477
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create a nonconforming situation because

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it was um over the 17 ft tall. So if if

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it was just already existing

480
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nonconforming,

481
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no variance would would be required. I

482
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mean, it's already a detached building

483
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that's over the 17 ft tall and that was

484
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built a long time ago and that's okay.

485
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But because it's creating that situation

486
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in which it was a conforming height,

487
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this would now need a variance to allow

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it to remain there. And given you have

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an existing structure, sometimes that

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will be weighed in. Um, we'll look

491
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closer at the demo plan. You know, if

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they're demoing most of the building,

493
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does it make sense? Um, but if they're

494
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just demoing a portion of it to do the

495
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little addition for the bathrooms, um,

496
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that's something that could be looked

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at.

498
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>> Oh, actually, my question. So, the 19 ft

499
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is the current roof height.

500
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>> That's correct.

501
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It's not historic.

502
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>> We are we have initiated a historical

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review through the town's historian. So

504
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that will be part of what we have with

505
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the formal design review. Um I don't

506
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believe so at this time, but we'll get

507
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that report.

508
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» Great. Any other questions?

509
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>> They also have those.

510
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>> That's correct. So they they for the

511
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barn, they've gone through the livestock

512
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committee um for the conceptual review.

513
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they've raised some questions and

514
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they'll come back to answer those

515
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questions at the formal design review

516
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stage.

517
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>> And do all those questions need to be

518
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,640
resolved before formal?

519
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>> Um depending on what level of detail it

520
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,880
is. Um sometimes you get into things

521
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,360
like ventilation and you know that maybe

522
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comes more at the building permit stage.

523
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Um so uh we'll look at their questions

524
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,640
and see how they can be answered and

525
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what things maybe just get conditioned

526
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for the building permit stage. Are there

527
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parts of the municipal code that

528
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specifically talk about ADUs and barns

529
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in the same structure?

530
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,360
>> Yes. Um, so that was actually that's

531
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something that's been in the code for a

532
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:39,600
while. It was probably like cycle 4 or

533
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something of the housing element back in

534
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like the 2000s area. Um, so that was

535
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:46,559
done uh yeah well over 20 years ago. So

536
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barns have been allowed in ADUs for some

537
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,880
time now. We've made some adjustments

538
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given state laws and things like that

539
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>> and the most recent adjustment allows

540
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for up to two ADUs in a barn. Correct.

541
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>> Uh yeah, I mean we the there's a change

542
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,679
in which barns can be fully converted to

543
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ADUs. And so that was looking at, you

544
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,320
know, if someone wanted to convert that

545
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,880
barn into two ADUs, they could do that.

546
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Um then if you're just building a new

547
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barn with an attached ADU, there's

548
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regulations for that proposal. And can a

549
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,679
barn support a Jedu? Uh, no. Jadus are

550
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to be within main residences. Right.

551
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,880
Good.

552
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,000
>> And what was the overall lot coverage?

553
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:57,029
>> Yeah.

554
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,200
Okay, sorry. Um, so we that's something

555
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,799
that we still need that level of detail.

556
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,520
It's not required for conceptual review

557
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:04,640
maybe confusion with the other

558
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,200
application. Um, but they do they have

559
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,880
to provide that for formal design

560
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,880
review. Um, it's just not required at

561
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,360
this stage.

562
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,360
>> Okay.

563
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,159
Any last questions of staff?

564
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,880
>> One more reminder of what the ADU code

565
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:21,679
is.

566
00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:25,120
>> So you're allowed two ADUs

567
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,440
attached or detached. You can have a

568
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,600
third if you have a J AU. Correct.

569
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,240
>> Um you can have three ADUs attached or

570
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,799
detached and on a property of this size

571
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:35,919
>> without a J AU.

572
00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,679
and then you could also

573
00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:38,960
have the J AU.

574
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,630
>> Okay. I missed it. Thank you.

575
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,279
I think that's it for question. Thank

576
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,919
you. Here you go. Um, with that we'll

577
00:24:49,919 --> 00:25:01,590
move on to the applicants presentation.

578
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,960
» Press that red handle if you need to

579
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,240
adjust the up and down.

580
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,640
>> No, this is fine. Can you hear me? Hi,

581
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,120
my name is Tom Taylor. Taylor Limbar

582
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,720
Architects. Um, I have with me today my

583
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,360
our project architect, Fanny Lee, and

584
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,679
our landscape architect, Bob Clever.

585
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:20,480
We're here to help answer any questions.

586
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Um, we have a few things that that we'd

587
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,360
like to show you that that aren't in the

588
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,960
package just to get yourself a little

589
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760
bit more familiar with the property. And

590
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,159
also, I'd like to also answer a couple

591
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:34,640
other questions uh that were brought up

592
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,840
along the way. And then I think that uh

593
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,080
after I speak, I'd like to have Bob come

594
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,400
up and say a few words about the uh the

595
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,679
amount of care that went into the to the

596
00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:49,760
siding landscaping of this unbelievably

597
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600
beautiful and private property, you

598
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080
know, that we're we're fortunate enough

599
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,799
to be able to work with. But we have a

600
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,520
uh sort of a little drone fly through

601
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,400
here that we'd like to share with you.

602
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,159
And uh why don't we go ahead and get

603
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:05,919
that started? It's a good way to sort of

604
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:08,880
just get an overview.

605
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,400
>> Could you give the orientation toward

606
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,679
Mountain Home, please, when you get

607
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:12,640
there?

608
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,240
>> Okay. So, this is uh our front gate

609
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,120
coming in off of a

610
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,840
Hooper and come in past the ADU on our

611
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,840
left over there. It's nestled into these

612
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,279
existing trees. There's a lot of

613
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,960
beautiful redwood trees and some big

614
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,279
oaks on the property.

615
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:33,520
This is our paddics, our our uh our barn

616
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,880
and stables. The ADU is on the right

617
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,559
hand side of this building. Sorry, this

618
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,360
is moving pretty fast here. Coming down

619
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:43,840
uh sloping down this gentle hill toward

620
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,919
the main house. There's a little there's

621
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,640
a small parking area in front of the for

622
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480
guests in front of the main house. And

623
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,400
then down the hill a little further, we

624
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,720
get into the garage for the for the main

625
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,190
residence.

626
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,320
As we slope down, there is uh we're

627
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,039
proposing a new uh arena for the horses

628
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,279
working with the existing barn on the

629
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:14,630
property.

630
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,760
And there's an existing pond here that

631
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,080
we hope to maintain and improve.

632
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,679
And then as we go back up toward the

633
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,360
main residence, we have existing

634
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:26,799
swimming pool that we're going to

635
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,000
maintain, pool house,

636
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320
main residence.

637
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,720
And then this is existing koi pond

638
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200
behind the uh the pavilion structure

639
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,880
that we want to keep. This is the

640
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,279
building that was mentioned that is uh

641
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:46,000
currently 19 ft tall at the ridge that

642
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,279
we are going to restore.

643
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,080
It's a it's a nice looking building. I I

644
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,840
think that it's uh definitely worth

645
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,080
preserving.

646
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,279
And then we are also going to try to

647
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,200
maintain this little this little tower

648
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,240
here, this Koopa and and and reuse this

649
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,720
existing courtyard

650
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,000
uh where that was the front door to the

651
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,840
existing house right in front of you

652
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,399
there. And now what we want to do is

653
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:21,039
create like a nice little reception area

654
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,399
here that is

655
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,640
somewhat private from the main house. So

656
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,320
there could be some fundraising events

657
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,960
and things like that out in this area

658
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960
that wouldn't feel like they're really

659
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,640
coming into the main house.

660
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,000
And then as you look out toward this uh

661
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720
little meadow and and trees out here,

662
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,679
the main house on your left and to the

663
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,240
right, you'll see the end of the barn

664
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:58,630
where we have the ADU,

665
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240
the you know the it's an extremely

666
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,960
private property and I think that It's

667
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,559
let's see if you were asking where Mountain Home Road

668
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,919
is in relation

669
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:21,679
on the far upper portion of of where of this view of the property and and

670
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:24,240
then if you go to the right that's uh

671
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,399
Blue Oak

672
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:29,120
Blue Ridge sorry Blue Ridge. Yeah. So

673
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,279
it's sort of like in between. It's sort

674
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,039
of off coming kind of coming off of that

675
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,149
corner.

676
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:43,440
the B. So I went all the way down and then clearly

677
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,510
there was a lot of

678
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,960
» I don't know. Is there anything back

679
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,190
there where it's

680
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000
» okay? There's a trail that goes over.

681
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,590
>> Yeah.

682
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,080
You really can't see Woodside Road.

683
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,510
>> Yeah. I was just wondering what Yeah.

684
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,350
are popping.

685
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,120
» Um, you want to pull up the uh other We

686
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,720
have a couple of renderings here that

687
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,480
are part of a we're just doing design

688
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,360
development for the project to kind of

689
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,640
show more information to the owners. Um,

690
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,559
it'd been asked about the color of the

691
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:35,510
siding as proposed. It's it's the the

692
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600
it's going to be medium brown in color.

693
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,440
It's was no intention that it be white

694
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,200
or light and it's no intention for it to

695
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,919
be extremely dark. the the the rendering

696
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,600
technique, especially with the model.

697
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Sometimes it sort of plays around with

698
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,279
the colors a little bit, but the

699
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,200
intention is that we're using all

700
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,919
natural colors or using, you know,

701
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:57,679
natural stone and and medium color of

702
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,720
siding and all the windows are dark. Um,

703
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640
so this is the view of the front of the

704
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,919
house. Um, the entry is in the in that

705
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,640
gable area covered. And then you can see

706
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,080
off the right there, that's where it

707
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,159
slopes off and and you can get into the

708
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:14,240
garages. Those two big trees on the

709
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,000
right, those are existing cyprress trees

710
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,159
that were working around.

711
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:19,600
There was so much care that's been put

712
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,120
into

713
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,960
the relationship of the buildings with

714
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,080
the existing trees. The owner is the

715
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,679
biggest proponent of that. Doesn't want

716
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,760
to lose a single tree basically. And

717
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480
we've we've actually affected very very

718
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,080
few uh on the property. And we'll our

719
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,720
plan is to enhance the sort of the

720
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,120
forest feel of the property and really

721
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,840
enhance that and bring in some some more

722
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,200
like redwoods and oaks and to be able to

723
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,960
make it feel like it's really nestled

724
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,039
into the to the trees. And we go to the

725
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,159
next one. This is a view looking across

726
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:00,240
the swimming pool toward the main house.

727
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,080
The pool house on the right. The pool

728
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,159
house is bunkered into the ground so

729
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:07,600
that from the upper area you you know

730
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,519
essentially it has a green roof and it's

731
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,840
also viewed from the the main level of

732
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,000
the house which is from this view is the

733
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,919
upper level. You'd be able to look

734
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:18,240
across and see a green roof rather than

735
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,960
seeing like a a regular you know roof

736
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,320
product out there. The the house is one story on the upper side and two

737
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,559
stories on the lower. So it sort of like

738
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,039
follows the hillside.

739
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,880
What you're seeing on this the upper

740
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,760
right there is that's part of what the

741
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,120
existing structure that we're

742
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,600
maintaining. The pavilion is back there

743
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,480
and this sort of foundations for the the

744
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,080
pool which used to be a swimming pool

745
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,320
many many years ago but has these

746
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,919
enormous fish in there now. I don't know

747
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:51,440
if you guys were out there on the

748
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,279
property but you know they're these things are really big. They've

749
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:56,960
been there for they've been there for a

750
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,549
long time.

751
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:02,880
And then this is the barn. Uh you can

752
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,760
see the the paddics on the left uh and

753
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,240
the the main house in the background.

754
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,399
And this doesn't even do justice to the

755
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:11,679
amount of landscaping that we're

756
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:13,279
proposing here because if we did, you

757
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,399
wouldn't be able to see the house. And

758
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,559
when you we kind of wanted to see it, so

759
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,480
we took a little bit of artistic license

760
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,840
there and took a couple of those trees

761
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840
out, but it would actually be very

762
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,679
heavily wooded. There's a big redwood

763
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:25,279
tree on the right hand side that doesn't

764
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,559
show up in this view, but that's we're

765
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,640
creating a little culde-sac around there

766
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,240
so that if guests come, they can kind of

767
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320
come around there and drop off and they

768
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320
can walk from either through the barn to

769
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,679
the to visit the horses or down a path

770
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:46,310
that takes you into the main house.

771
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,240
I wanted to talk a little bit about the

772
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,600
uh the height limit issue here. So, this

773
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
is a pretty good diagram. I think it

774
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,320
shows exactly where we're exceeding the

775
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,279
30-foot limit. It is one tiny little tip

776
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,480
of one little gable of the living room.

777
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,799
And and it's a lo a location that

778
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,000
wouldn't be visible from

779
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,159
anywhere except for basically a bird's

780
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,240
eye view because it actually is that

781
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,800
gable is sort of centered on a big oak

782
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,000
tree that we're maintaining and the

783
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,720
gable itself is more than 100 ft away

784
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:29,440
from the property line. It's just that still doesn't meet your your normal

785
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,639
uh guidelines for an exception. And but

786
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,800
we think this is the best solution. We

787
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,720
know that there's ways to do this roof

788
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,720
differently, but I think that they're

789
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:41,599
all I would consider them all uh

790
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,159
compromises to the design. And we're

791
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,919
hoping that for this tiny little bit of

792
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:47,599
roof that we'd be able to get this

793
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,679
approved. If if that's if a variance is

794
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,000
what it takes, I think we would probably want to go in that

795
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,839
direction because we feel strongly that

796
00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:01,510
this is the right right solution.

797
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,720
I would like to uh let Bob Glever come

798
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,560
up and say a few words about the

799
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,560
landscape design.

800
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:15,109
Thank you.

801
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,520
Hi, I'm Bob Clever, landscape architect

802
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,320
for the project. Uh, I want to thank the

803
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440
committee, the planning staff, everybody

804
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,760
that's been involved with the project as

805
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,240
well as the owners wanting to make this

806
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,839
a forever home for themselves and, you

807
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:33,599
know, use it for the next several

808
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,000
decades. Uh, also besides Tom, uh, and

809
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Taylor Lombardo, myself, uh, and the

810
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,760
owners, uh, DRS, uh, construction has

811
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,359
been integral to the team to keeping us,

812
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,839
uh, informed on what's there and and

813
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:52,640
doing their the diagnostics for the

814
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,839
project. And, uh, you know, back to the

815
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,400
owners, this is going to be a a project

816
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:04,079
that they want to use and live in and grow in for decades. though we put a

817
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,280
lot of effort into how the project

818
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,160
changes from the existing conditions. So

819
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,760
I'll I not going to spend a lot of time

820
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,280
on architecture. I'll give a little bit

821
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,880
more background that maybe starts to

822
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,400
fill in on the on the build on the site.

823
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520
We use the existing driveway alignment

824
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,240
as much as possible. We eliminated a

825
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,920
loop driveway around the original

826
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,359
garages, but we kept the driveway where

827
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:32,320
it sweeps in from the end of uh Hooper

828
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,839
Lane and then comes in to the property

829
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:39,440
and then bears north and then we stay on

830
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680
the north side of the property towards

831
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,800
the the main house. Uh Tom had mentioned

832
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200
that there's a significant redwood and

833
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520
yes, we've made that a focal point and

834
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,599
created an access through the center of

835
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,440
the redwood through the center of the

836
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,680
barn. We then took the center of the

837
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,560
barn and the center of the front door of

838
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,680
the house and made another axis. that a

839
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,920
axis is started from a very large old

840
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,640
oak that we hope to uh fortify uh give

841
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,359
it whatever hormones are possible to get

842
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:17,359
it to sort of reestablish itself. Um but

843
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,119
we're also using a lot of the other site

844
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,480
work. the existing uh pond that's down

845
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,839
there is uh critical to using it for

846
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:29,040
well not only fire safety but it is

847
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,200
currently being used for irrigation and

848
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,520
we want to continue that concept if we

849
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,359
can. Uh the koi pond was a development

850
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:40,160
from an original pool that got that

851
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,760
became that morphed into a koi pond. Uh

852
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,800
we inherited the beauty of an incredible

853
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,880
mechanical system that has made that quo

854
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,520
pond successful as you see it. But

855
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,000
there's also the kitchen gardens that

856
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,920
are there and the fruit tree area that

857
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640
is back with some of the existing uh

858
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,400
green houses and things and sheds that

859
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,839
you had seen. Those are are part of the

860
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:06,560
beauty of the property that the owner

861
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,760
feels is integral to saving. So we tried

862
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160
to keep as many things that made sense

863
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,040
that is existing trees structures uh and

864
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,800
the style of the property and then took

865
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,440
it and then made it or if you will our

866
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,320
own we feel very close to the project.

867
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Um but we took the owner's concepts and

868
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
said okay how do we make this better?

869
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,560
developed the existing footprint into a

870
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,240
new home that works better for today's

871
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,920
living for the owner and for their

872
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,520
future. And then then turned the

873
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,880
property from a traditional home into a

874
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,599
horse development that has the barn, the

875
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,400
paddic, a riding ring. Uh took advantage

876
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,720
of the abandoned barn that'll probably

877
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,240
be some sort of tac shop. Um, and so we

878
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,920
really tried to work with things that

879
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,200
make sense. I I'll go off and and just

880
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,920
one of our thoughts to next further

881
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,640
develop it

882
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:14,960
with the concern of the neighbor for the piece of property that

883
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,800
is a bonus for the property and it's access but it's it it's not really

884
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,920
drivable. Uh our intention is to not use

885
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,040
it for access because it goes to Blue

886
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,760
Ridge and doesn't do us much good. Um

887
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,680
our goal would be to get construction

888
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,160
staging to work with existing

889
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,079
conditions. Um whether it's using areas

890
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,560
like the paddic and maybe the the riding

891
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,160
ring for parking and staging and then

892
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,240
build from there and use the existing

893
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,040
driveway. Um, our intent is to do as

894
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,280
much asphalt and keep a lot of the

895
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960
things that are there. Uh, I know that

896
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,599
there's gravel coming in at some point.

897
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,359
We will work with the fire department to

898
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:02,160
make sure we make that fires safe and accessible. It's not quite right in

899
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,680
terms of widths and clearances, but

900
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960
we're going to make that work. Um,

901
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,359
the owner, one of the beauties of the

902
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,359
property is the existing trees. Um the

903
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:15,520
owner said to us more than once, I don't

904
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,440
want to lose a tree and if I lose a tree

905
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,359
and if a tree has to go, can we

906
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:20,880
transplant it? We're working with them

907
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,560
on that. uh and if we you know there's a

908
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,800
lot of existing conditions there that we

909
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,599
would like to maintain um pretty much at

910
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,800
the owners request um but uh we see this

911
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,720
is moving forward to a future and the

912
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,320
existing home didn't have a lot of

913
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,480
workable things and I think you saw some

914
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
of the

915
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,320
different things that were going on with

916
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,119
style uh over the many years that it got

917
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,520
renovated and and our look is to make it

918
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,960
a fresh start with the main house um

919
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,760
impervious surfaces. Uh Sage was

920
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,400
absolutely right. We're well beyond the

921
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,040
15,000 ft uh uh allowance, but we have

922
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,119
worked with Lean Brace, the civil

923
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,960
engineers, and continue to work with

924
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,560
them on we have a study now that takes

925
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,920
the overage and the 25% you're allowed

926
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,359
you lose by going from the overage and

927
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:21,440
we are have a solution that works for

928
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,760
the impervious surfaces.

929
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160
um we will continue to work with that

930
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,280
and and make sure that we are

931
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,400
uh conforming to the you know uh

932
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,599
alterations that occur. Um any of us

933
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,200
would be happy to take any questions.

934
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Thank you for the time.

935
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,160
>> Thanks.

936
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,079
And if you find that magic formula to

937
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,000
fortify that oak, can you share it with

938
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,599
me?

939
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:48,240
It it

940
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,240
>> we're in a similar situation. it, you

941
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,400
know, it it um there are an incredible

942
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,520
talented arborist and you know, once you

943
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,040
commit to the concept, the

944
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,000
feeding and care and protection and

945
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,319
potentially maybe a little bit over

946
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:09,680
pruning in order to get the tree to

947
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,280
restart. Uh but the development there,

948
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,200
we're nowhere near it. uh and the

949
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,079
development existing development is uh

950
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:22,480
was trying to pay homage to it, but it really spoke to us and the owner when

951
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,839
they said, "Wow, look at that tree." And

952
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:25,440
everybody was like, "Well, could we do

953
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,040
something with it?" Well, turns out to

954
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,119
be an access from the front door of the

955
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:30,640
house. So,

956
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,359
>> good luck.

957
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:31,920
>> Thank you.

958
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,800
>> All right. Anyone on the board have

959
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,000
questions of uh the architect or

960
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,200
landscape

961
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,240
>> architect? Just one other than other

962
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,160
than the neighbor across the street that

963
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,119
was worried about department, it looks

964
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,400
like it's not

965
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,560
uh all the trucks. Uh did you outreach

966
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,800
to the other neighbors?

967
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,750
What what sort of outreach?

968
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,520
» That's one of our next steps.

969
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,480
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Actually, we uh we

970
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,119
wanted to to get this in to see if we

971
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,319
were on the right track and then we will

972
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:12,960
do what we would consider sort of a

973
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,920
traditional neighborhood outreach effort

974
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,680
>> and could you speak to the tightness of

975
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,680
the wire on the mesh of the fence?

976
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,920
>> Excuse me.

977
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,640
>> Sorry. Fence wire mesh seems to be

978
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,880
really tight which would hinder some

979
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,359
passage. Is this accurate as to what

980
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:34,319
your intention is.

981
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:37,040
>> I think that's a Bob question.

982
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,560
>> I was gonna ask you before you sat down.

983
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Sorry, Bob.

984
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,520
>> Question.

985
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,839
>> So, it from your experience of the site,

986
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,599
there is an existing fence that encloses

987
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,040
a certain area and our intention is to

988
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,640
extend that a little bit further out

989
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,720
with a drive gate that goes a little bit

990
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,480
further out. still more well more than

991
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,680
100 ft from the formal corner of the

992
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,599
driveway entry. So it but our goal is

993
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,359
not only to do I'm going to use this term because I I'm familiar with

994
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,760
it. The critter the critter access is

995
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,599
still being maintained so that there is

996
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,280
a a way of getting access in but uh deer

997
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,800
there's a little bit more deer

998
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,280
protection than exists now and that's

999
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,760
our intention but it's more rural and

1000
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,560
open everything that we're proposing. Uh

1001
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560
and so am I getting close to or did you

1002
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,119
have a specific really tight and

1003
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,040
frequently what we're seeing is wire

1004
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
that's a horizontal wire that's a lot

1005
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,520
more open than a mesh like this. And so

1006
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,480
I was curious as to I honestly I can't

1007
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,920
tell you that I've seen the entire

1008
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,560
perimeter fence to know what's there but

1009
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,960
u is this a dramatic change from what is

1010
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,680
there?

1011
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,960
>> Um no it's a takeoff. So on the north

1012
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680
side of the property there's wood post

1013
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,160
and wire mesh

1014
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,079
uh very similar to what we were

1015
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,119
proposing. Um, and we are holding the

1016
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:09,839
fence up a foot. Uh, so it's a 5-ft mesh

1017
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:12,319
with a sixft fence. So we do get the

1018
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:19,200
access under um for for critters. And um

1019
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,280
the only solid fencing, well there's a a

1020
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,920
split rail horse style fence for the

1021
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,280
ring and for the paddic. And then uh

1022
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,319
there is a uh no real solid fences

1023
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:34,880
except for the existing garden and and

1024
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,480
courtyards that we're trying to preserve

1025
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,880
cuz again that really spoke to the owner

1026
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,560
and said, "Wow, you know, how much of

1027
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,800
this can we keep and still do the

1028
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,400
improvements that we want to do and get

1029
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960
rid of, if you will, the the if you

1030
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,839
will, the odder garages and guest house

1031
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,200
that don't really feel quite right for

1032
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,760
the for our development. So, you know,

1033
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,920
it but uh the fencing that you saw

1034
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,119
coming in by the driveway was feels a

1035
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,440
lot more designed than our concept of no

1036
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
rails, just posts and mesh, which will

1037
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,319
be I think a lot more transparent than

1038
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:15,200
the framed out fencing that is that you

1039
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:21,270
see when you first enter the property.

1040
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,760
» Any other questions for members of the

1041
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,550
board?

1042
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,119
Um um actually question for the

1043
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,359
architect. So I'm I'm curious if you

1044
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:37,680
could speak to um the approach because

1045
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,079
you're preserving existing structures

1046
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,800
which are largely brick. How that sort

1047
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,960
of influenced your thinking in terms of

1048
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,480
the material pallet for the new

1049
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,280
structures. Um it's always a challenge

1050
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,599
trying to integrate old and new. So just

1051
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,040
curious what your sort of high level

1052
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,359
thinking was around that approach or

1053
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:57,599
your approach you settled on.

1054
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:02,400
>> Yeah, I I agree. I I think that uh I

1055
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,560
mean first of all you if you if you've

1056
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,800
been to the site, you can kind of see

1057
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,960
how many generations of construction

1058
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,720
have gone on there. Just even the

1059
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:12,800
pavilion itself, there's at least four

1060
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,839
different vintages of brick in that area

1061
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,920
there if you look at the walls.

1062
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,440
So

1063
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,960
we

1064
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,280
our idea is to and that's why we're we're finishing the perimeter

1065
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,000
around there is to treat the pavilion

1066
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,640
and the area in the brick and the koi

1067
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,920
pond a little of its it's sort of its

1068
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,000
own thing to an extent. It's like a

1069
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
little jewel box there that a little

1070
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,599
piece of history that we think is really

1071
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,440
pretty and we think that it works

1072
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000
functionally well w with how the owners

1073
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
would like to use the house. And then

1074
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,720
the rest of the project, uh, we're we

1075
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,520
just sort of felt like we wanted to let

1076
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,760
it be a little bit more rural, you know,

1077
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,800
and still just using soft materials and,

1078
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,640
you know, like a lot of natural

1079
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,480
materials. And we feel it can work

1080
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,920
together. I know that there's there's a

1081
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,680
difference there. We've got a slate roof

1082
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,440
on one building, we have a metal roof on

1083
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,520
the other, you know, but we think that

1084
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,599
we can we can find a way to blend these

1085
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,760
together. Then also with the use of the

1086
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,119
landscape, you know, we we plan on, you

1087
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,480
know, having like a like a nice uh

1088
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,880
growing, you know, sort of climbing

1089
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,359
material that that's that's on the the

1090
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:27,040
brick structure that sort of like just

1091
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:33,030
turns it into to the site in our minds.

1092
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,800
Yeah, I particularly like the way

1093
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,400
between the main house and ADU and barn

1094
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,640
how you change the ratio between stone

1095
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,400
and wood siding to signal different

1096
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,200
utilities. So was nice touch. Um okay,

1097
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,630
any other anyone else question?

1098
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,520
» Okay. Um so thank you. Um, with that we

1099
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,119
turn to board uh deliberation for public

1100
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:02,800
>> Oh, public comment. Yes, of course.

1101
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,880
Sorry, Rusty is right.

1102
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,960
>> We do have one member online now. So,

1103
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,720
for that person online, if you'd like to

1104
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:12,000
make a comment, please use the raise

1105
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,670
hand feature.

1106
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,470
» I do not see a raised hand.

1107
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,280
» Okay. And anyone in the room make a

1108
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,400
comment? Yep.

1109
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,000
>> Hi, I'm uh Peter Rose. I live on 8 Blue

1110
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Ridge Lane right adjacent to this

1111
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,359
project and so um um it's nice to see

1112
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:43,599
the presentation and um I'm glad you

1113
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,920
asked about neighborhood, you know,

1114
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,079
outreach to the because I I have not

1115
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,160
been I didn't know about it until I got

1116
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,200
the notice from the town. And so, um,

1117
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:56,880
uh,

1118
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,480
I've lived on our place for like 30

1119
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,839
years. And so, it's interesting to see

1120
00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:03,680
this whole development coming along. Um,

1121
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,160
it looks like a nice project. I'm glad

1122
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,839
to see the driveway, part of the

1123
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:10,160
driveway that's closest to my driveway

1124
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,480
is being removed. And, um, I guess I

1125
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,319
just I would have some concerns and, you

1126
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:18,000
know, hope for landscape. I know they

1127
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,160
mentioned landscaping to sort of because

1128
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,240
there's some, you know, views from my

1129
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,880
house directly into the into like the

1130
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,160
barn and the ADU. So, I I would hope

1131
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,960
that that could be addressed as well.

1132
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,960
Um,

1133
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,920
so anyway, I look forward to working

1134
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,240
with the owners and meeting them too. I

1135
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,240
haven't even met him. So, thank you.

1136
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:40,720
Good.

1137
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,790
>> Thank you.

1138
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Okay. Anyone? Anyone else from the

1139
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,400
public?

1140
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,800
>> No hands online?

1141
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,440
>> No.

1142
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,359
>> Good. With that, we'll close public

1143
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,200
comment. Move to uh board liberation.

1144
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Like to pick a thought.

1145
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,319
>> I actually had some more questions for

1146
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:00,880
staff.

1147
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,319
>> Oh, no.

1148
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,640
>> Member Middleman is taking us backwards

1149
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,800
on the agenda. So, uh

1150
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,040
>> go ahead. So the one section of the main

1151
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,079
house that is over 30 ft, why does that

1152
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:13,920
section, if I recall correctly, there's

1153
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,880
an elevator in there? Why does that not

1154
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,920
fall under the section of code as a

1155
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,839
carve out for towers? And

1156
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:23,200
>> there's two things we want to look at.

1157
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,800
There's that little piece of the gable

1158
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,640
that they were mentioning that's that

1159
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,079
they were pointing out. There's that

1160
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,720
taller piece of the building um and I

1161
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:31,839
think that's where you're mentioning the

1162
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:33,359
elevator is. Yeah,

1163
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:36,000
>> that they're showing that from the side

1164
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,319
elevation to be conforming. Um, it's

1165
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:40,240
possible the way the grade is that that

1166
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,839
could be conforming. We'll need to work

1167
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:43,520
with them and look at that a little bit

1168
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,359
closer with the formal designer view.

1169
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:46,480
But the other piece that they're

1170
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,880
mentioning is just that gable end that's

1171
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,720
the furthest out kind of towards the

1172
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:51,520
pool and the

1173
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,119
>> which is kind of nonfunctional. It just

1174
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:53,839
has that,

1175
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:55,280
>> right? It's just part of the extra

1176
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,160
height there. Yeah.

1177
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,480
>> And then um looking at the pool house,

1178
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,599
it has both, you know, a cooking area

1179
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,000
and a bathroom. Why does it not count as

1180
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,640
an ADO?

1181
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
>> Um I have to double check. Is it out? Is

1182
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,040
it exterior access maybe to the

1183
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,920
bathroom?

1184
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,400
>> It was an exterior access. Um so it's

1185
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,880
not a direct connection interior wise,

1186
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,680
but a person at the pool house would

1187
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,839
have to walk out of the structure to

1188
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:22,559
access the bathroom. But so the only

1189
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,040
change there would be an interior door

1190
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,240
to the bathroom and then it would count

1191
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,240
as an ADU. The outdoor kitchen would

1192
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:29,440
still count.

1193
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,359
>> No. So okay, if it's also an outdoor

1194
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:33,040
kitchen, that doesn't count as a

1195
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,359
kitchen. Um, so we look at those things.

1196
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,559
Sometimes people are careful. They're

1197
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,200
looking at septic and they're trying to

1198
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,640
ensure something doesn't qualify as a

1199
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,280
bedroom. Um, but if it can be an ADU,

1200
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,319
we'll be happy to work with the

1201
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,640
applicant to see if they can convert

1202
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,119
that into

1203
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,000
>> My reputation precedes me. Um, the old

1204
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,599
barn,

1205
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,440
does it does it now count as an

1206
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,359
accessory structure? In my head, and

1207
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:57,200
then this might be just me, I thought we

1208
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,960
only allowed one barn per property.

1209
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,559
>> Uh, no, it's just an accessory

1210
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,400
structure. And no, there's no limits on

1211
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,119
barns.

1212
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:03,520
>> Okay.

1213
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,200
>> Um, I mean, you know, we've seen a lot

1214
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,960
of different things. Uh, sometimes

1215
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,800
people just have, you know, I've seen

1216
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,319
people do multiple small shelters

1217
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,559
um for different animals and some for

1218
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,800
horses. So there's no limitation on the

1219
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,319
number just other than their total floor

1220
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:19,359
area that's allowed.

1221
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:21,359
>> Got it. And then my last question um

1222
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:25,680
correct me if I'm wrong that permeable driveways and pavers can help

1223
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,720
with that aimed area surface coverage.

1224
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,760
>> Not necessarily. Um so only when people

1225
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,000
have um like uh uh there's like the

1226
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,400
grass or there's sometimes this like

1227
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,119
plastic grid that people will have plant

1228
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,520
things through that's still drivable. Um

1229
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,599
when you have those void spaces, we have

1230
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,319
allowed people to count the void spaces,

1231
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:50,079
but there is a thing like permeable

1232
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,720
concrete which is still solid concrete

1233
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,880
almost looks like popcorn but so it lets

1234
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,559
some water go through it but those would

1235
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,880
just be counted as 100%. So it just

1236
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,720
depends what the the if they actually

1237
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,640
have openings

1238
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,240
um they could decrease they could not

1239
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,319
count the voided spaces.

1240
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:09,599
>> Got it.

1241
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,119
>> Okay.

1242
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,920
Thank you for handing my question.

1243
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,599
>> With that, we will move to board

1244
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,559
deliberation. So um and I think what

1245
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:22,880
would be helpful if you articulate um

1246
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,160
your position on this project and what

1247
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,240
you want to commend the applicant for or

1248
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,240
what you any concerns you may still

1249
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,839
have. So we're going to start with you

1250
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:36,160
Mr. Member Middleman. Is it because I

1251
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,240
spoke first? You're being penalized for

1252
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,800
late questions.

1253
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,559
I think it's a beautiful project. I

1254
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:46,160
think the way they intend to update the

1255
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,319
property is

1256
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:51,440
elegant. Um I I definitely enjoy the

1257
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,720
fact that they're keeping the courtyard

1258
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,720
and library in place and the history of

1259
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:55,920
the courtyard that was shared with me

1260
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,680
when I visited the property. I deeply

1261
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,480
appreciate.

1262
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,079
I think the flow is logical. I it's

1263
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,200
all works. Um,

1264
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,920
I think it would be hard for me to find

1265
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,880
an exception on permeable,

1266
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,200
you know, on the on the paved areas

1267
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,440
considering that it we are trying to

1268
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,440
maintain rural character and we already

1269
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,040
have plenty of properties that have, you

1270
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,640
know, gravel driveways and there's

1271
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,400
plenty of space for compromise there.

1272
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,839
With regards to the height variances,

1273
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:33,440
I think it's an interesting conundrum

1274
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,760
with the library

1275
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,160
because it's existing

1276
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,079
and I I could actually probably support

1277
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,400
a variance for the library because of

1278
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,119
the burden of having to reduce the pitch

1279
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,880
of an existing roof that's perfectly

1280
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,920
fine by two feet.

1281
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,680
gable

1282
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,640
aesthetics on the main house is much

1283
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,040
harder for me to think about because it

1284
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,559
does it doesn't seem to be a burden

1285
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:04,960
outside of that aesthetic of the gable.

1286
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,200
So, one of my comments for the applicant

1287
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,640
would be to go back and try and find a

1288
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,799
way to remove the variance for the house

1289
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:17,829
but keep the variance for the library.

1290
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,760
Member Sullivan. Uh

1291
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,520
>> yeah, it's a beautiful project that I

1292
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,920
think provides an excellent upgrade to

1293
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,799
the historic use of the property that uh

1294
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:28,240
will be very attractive and I didn't

1295
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:29,839
have any particular comments beyond what

1296
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:33,040
you've already heard today.

1297
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,040
>> Yep.

1298
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,119
>> And Del Gabio,

1299
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:38,880
>> thank you. It's a beautiful project.

1300
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,599
Really well done. It's wonder Thank you.

1301
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,359
Wonderful to hear how much the gardens

1302
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:45,920
and uh trees etc that you're trying to

1303
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,240
keep intact. I would be willing to

1304
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,640
support the variance on both app both

1305
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,559
buildings due to the fact that it's so

1306
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,280
far away from and as long as Mr. Rosen

1307
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,920
Grants doesn't feel that it's affecting

1308
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
uh his property, his view and his site.

1309
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,280
Uh I would be willing to support that.

1310
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,480
And I'm uh also love the idea of the

1311
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,280
gardens that are more formal traditional

1312
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,760
gardens that are there. And I'm unclear

1313
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,680
as to whether that's going to remain and

1314
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,480
I wish it would.

1315
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,839
And that's it for me.

1316
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:21,430
>> Thank you.

1317
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,079
» No, it must be an architect's dream. It

1318
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,160
must be an architect's dream to have

1319
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,240
this large of a property. And I think

1320
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,359
you've done a wonderful job in just

1321
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:34,160
creating all the spaces and the

1322
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,559
materials. And I I like the, you know,

1323
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,119
the cedar wood but with the stone below.

1324
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,200
And and I think Those are are really

1325
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,319
nice nice features and it's obviously

1326
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:46,640
you guys have taken a lot of thought

1327
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,480
into how to develop this. Um, a couple

1328
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,119
of things I I would like although it's

1329
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,319
not required for this meeting the last

1330
00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:59,359
but I do think um the screening

1331
00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:01,200
particularly

1332
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,920
those side it would be nice to see some

1333
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,960
plans on what might be

1334
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,319
to help with that. And I also agree with

1335
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:14,400
uh David that I'd like to see maybe a

1336
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,680
little less asphalt and some gravel on the property just for that rural

1337
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,160
character. Um but and I I too as long as

1338
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,000
once you do the neighborhood outreach

1339
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,640
and I would suggest that you you do that

1340
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,000
fairly quickly. Um as long as no one has

1341
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:42,710
any you know objections to the height. I have um Other

1342
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,150
than that,

1343
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,599
it's a beautiful idea. I didn't even

1344
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:54,549
know that property exist.

1345
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,000
» How about you, Don?

1346
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,079
>> Um, yeah. No, I think everything uh I've

1347
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,240
heard already spoken I I am supportive

1348
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,079
of. I think it's an particularly elegant

1349
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:08,720
execution of uh trying to preserve and

1350
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,480
celebrate existing structures at the

1351
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,200
same time developing an entirely new set

1352
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,880
of structures with a new pallet. I think

1353
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,680
it's nicely done. Um

1354
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,880
I think also acknowledging uh trying to

1355
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,559
preserve so many existing uh aspects of

1356
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,680
the property, the existing pool, um the

1357
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,680
courtyard, the library, all of that is

1358
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,280
to be commended. Um the goal to minimize

1359
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,640
the impact on removal of trees or moving

1360
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,160
of trees um is also to be commended. Um

1361
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,240
but generally, yeah, I'm very supportive

1362
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,440
of the project. Um, I know we don't our

1363
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,040
it's not our charter to deal with

1364
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,799
exceptions and variances other than than

1365
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:52,799
provide a opinion on it, but um I echo

1366
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:55,680
member Middleman's comments regarding

1367
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,319
um the heightened variances on the

1368
00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:01,200
library and the new structure.

1369
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,000
Um although I feel less passionate about

1370
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,040
impacting the new structure or the tiny

1371
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,920
little portion of it that is causing

1372
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,400
that variance.

1373
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,559
Um, yeah. No, I think it's great.

1374
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:21,990
Okay. Um, so,

1375
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,799
uh, we'll note that the applicant was

1376
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,359
commended, um, for providing an update

1377
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:29,440
to the property with some deferred

1378
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,720
maintenance. Uh, the for keeping the

1379
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,400
library in the brick courtyard kind of

1380
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,599
as a homage to the old at the structures

1381
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:41,119
of the property. Um applicant was also

1382
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,119
commended for the retention of trees and

1383
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,000
transplanting of trees um and the amount

1384
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,200
of landscaping being provided uh as well

1385
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,400
as um what has been said the

1386
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,920
preservation of different features on

1387
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,920
the property for such as the library

1388
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,440
pool and other usable structures. Uh so

1389
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,960
we heard a couple of comments for

1390
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,480
recommendations.

1391
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,720
Um, one is to uh ensure that there is

1392
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,880
adequate screen screening between 8 Blue

1393
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,520
Ridge Lane and the new structures on the

1394
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,280
property. Uh, as well as to provide

1395
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,200
neighborhood outreach um and

1396
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,599
the input from neighbors um and to look

1397
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,079
at the possibility of reducing some of

1398
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,240
the asphalt and providing more gravel in

1399
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,520
place of that asphalt.

1400
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,880
And the one piece here, we had a comment

1401
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,400
regarding kind of the redesign of the

1402
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,559
main house to remove the need for

1403
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:41,200
variance from uh member Middleman.

1404
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,359
Sullivan concurred um and member Lindsay

1405
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:47,760
there. I think um and then I'll just add

1406
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,440
that, you know, this would be

1407
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,599
recommendations coming from the ASRB.

1408
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:53,680
The applicant still needs to be able to

1409
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,520
make the findings for the variance and

1410
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,720
that will be something that's up to the

1411
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,640
planning commission. Uh I think we would

1412
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,400
at the staff level still encourage the

1413
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,160
applicant to try to avoid the need for

1414
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,680
variance. It's just a general thing

1415
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,559
that's good to avoid um with regard to

1416
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,640
the main house in particular uh when

1417
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,920
you're starting with a brand new

1418
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,240
structure. Uh it's something that you

1419
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,119
know trying to find the hardship and why

1420
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:18,880
uh those findings can be made could be

1421
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,520
difficult. So I think what u I would do

1422
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,359
if it's okay with the board is just kind

1423
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:25,280
of express there was a little bit of a a

1424
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,680
mixed opinion on that. um and from a

1425
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,240
design perspective um but that the

1426
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,240
applicant should still you know will

1427
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,000
need to pursue and get approval of the

1428
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,680
variance uh if they do want to move

1429
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,640
forward with that.

1430
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,480
>> Yeah. I mean

1431
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,319
>> exactly considering that the conceptual

1432
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,640
view is here to prevent surprises at

1433
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:43,359
formal

1434
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:46,079
>> correct you know reading if I were to

1435
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:47,599
read directly from the code that the

1436
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,280
strict application of this chapter would

1437
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,040
result in practical difficulty or

1438
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,079
unnecessary physical hardship which is

1439
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,640
not of the applicant's own making is

1440
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,079
extremely hard for me to sit here today

1441
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:01,599
granted for a cable

1442
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:02,880
>> understood that's something that staff

1443
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,200
looks at as well and that's that's uh so

1444
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,480
but you know it'll be the applicant's

1445
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040
choice and they'll they move forward. So

1446
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,720
with that, we've received if there's any

1447
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,839
other comments to add. Um, no. And then

1448
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:16,480
so they did install story polls. Um, so

1449
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,240
the question would be is if this needs

1450
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,920
to come back to the ASRB. Um, if not,

1451
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,640
then it would uh it could be forwarded

1452
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,079
to staff if they redesign everything

1453
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:27,440
that didn't need any exceptions, but

1454
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,039
they probably will at least for the

1455
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,119
pavilion building. So if it doesn't come

1456
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,440
back to the ASRB, um, it would still go

1457
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,039
to the planning commission for final

1458
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,839
design review. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I

1459
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:39,200
haven't heard any comments that would

1460
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,640
suggest a need for it to come back to

1461
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,359
ASRB. So, I think we the motion is to

1462
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:46,400
move directly to formal with staff

1463
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,319
um with all the comments and that's your

1464
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,079
motion expressed. That is my motion.

1465
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,599
Great.

1466
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,390
>> Second that motion.

1467
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,920
» I would like to still possibly I it

1468
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,720
doesn't have to but come back to us, but

1469
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,280
I I would like to see a a screening

1470
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,119
proposal um before just just so I don't

1471
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,200
know the consent item something just to

1472
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440
take a look and make sure that was taken

1473
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,910
out

1474
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,160
» how could we accommodate that without a

1475
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,160
formal ASRB conception

1476
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,079
>> you know if it's I mean there there was

1477
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,240
some significant landscape plans in

1478
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,920
provided with this packet um so I'm not

1479
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,280
sure how much more they'll show maybe

1480
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,200
they'll add some more landscaping there

1481
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,400
uh between the neighbor. Um so if it

1482
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,520
comes back to the ASRB just for the

1483
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,520
landscaping that would be an item in

1484
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,599
which could do it's been done in the

1485
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:46,079
past.

1486
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,400
>> Reluctant to make an applicant jump

1487
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,079
through a hoop that's not going to move

1488
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:56,789
the needle on if the project's approved.

1489
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:00,319
» So So no change to the motion on that

1490
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:01,839
>> to the motion. All right. Is there a

1491
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:04,240
second?

1492
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:05,839
>> I believe Delgavio seconded.

1493
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:06,319
>> Second.

1494
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:06,880
>> Great.

1495
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,960
>> Okay. Uh, Chair Lindseay.

1496
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,440
>> Yes.

1497
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,559
>> Vice Chair Comra.

1498
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:13,760
>> Member Delgavio.

1499
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:14,079
>> Yes.

1500
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,119
>> Member Middleman.

1501
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:15,520
>> Yes.

1502
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,799
>> Member Sullivan.

1503
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:19,520
>> Yes.

1504
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,160
>> Thank you.

1505
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,000
>> Great. So, we'll be in touch in the next

1506
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,680
day or two with a letter outlining the

1507
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:43,190
outcome.

1508
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,349
Hey.

1509
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:49,440
» Um, all right. Moving on to the next

1510
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:58,470
agenda item. So, uh, 675 men's aid away.

1511
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,599
He goes up again.

1512
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,200
>> Actually, can I can I ask a procedural

1513
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,000
question?

1514
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,520
>> Sure.

1515
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,599
>> The landscape plan is not required in

1516
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,760
the ASRB submittal.

1517
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,599
>> Not with the conceptual designer view,

1518
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:11,920
>> right?

1519
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:12,880
>> It is with form.

1520
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,280
>> So,

1521
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,079
all right, never mind.

1522
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:20,960
Although we have h we have had cases

1523
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,960
where we've requested back with a

1524
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:23,280
landscape

1525
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,039
>> with yeah we've had sometimes comments

1526
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,119
other comments get addressed at the next

1527
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,720
stage whereas just bringing back the

1528
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:36,630
landscape plan that's occurred. Yes.

1529
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,799
» And this is the third and final item on

1530
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,039
tonight's agenda. I will be introducing

1531
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,000
the project at 675 Mansin the Way for

1532
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,960
ASRB review. For this conceptual design

1533
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,039
review project, the applicant is

1534
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:51,119
proposing to demolish an existing single

1535
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,440
family dwelling, uh, three existing

1536
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,200
accessory structures and an existing ADU

1537
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,440
and to construct a new single family

1538
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,880
dwelling, a new detached garage, two new

1539
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,920
uh detached ADUs and associated site

1540
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,280
improvements. and ask for uh item three.

1541
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:16,630
Uh there are no desk items at this time.

1542
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,880
So to give a bit background on this

1543
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,240
property, uh the property size is 2.72

1544
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,440
acres and is in the RR uh rural

1545
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,079
residential zoning district. Uh the

1546
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,920
basic setbacks for properties in the

1547
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,400
zoning district is also 50 ft minimum

1548
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,280
from all sides. Uh the project site is

1549
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,440
located at the southeastern portion of

1550
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,079
Woodside and is located adjacent to

1551
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:42,559
Whiskey Hill Road and we are adjacent to

1552
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,799
Sandh Hill Road. Uh there are two

1553
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,960
existing driveways uh one located

1554
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,200
towards the northwestern side and the

1555
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,599
other located at the southwestern ed

1556
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:54,240
sorry the southeastern edge. Uh the

1557
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,559
topography of the site

1558
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:59,440
is relatively flat from Manne Way to the

1559
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,520
central portion of the property. Uh as

1560
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,160
you move down uh east uh towards the

1561
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,599
rear uh the slope declines

1562
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,359
significantly. Um and Bear Gulch Creek a

1563
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,280
designated stream and stream corridor in

1564
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,599
Woodside runs along this eastern portion

1565
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,080
of the project site. Uh the subject site

1566
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,960
also includes uh existing vineyards uh

1567
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,839
along the central portion uh between the

1568
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:23,920
existing main residence and that stream

1569
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,279
corridor. Uh the property includes a 25

1570
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,159
foot wide uh right-of-way easement and a

1571
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,040
20 foot wide driveway easement uh is

1572
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,839
serving as an e ingress egress path for

1573
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:38,480
that neighboring property on the north

1574
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,640
uh currently not used by that adjacent

1575
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,040
neighbor um on that northern portion of

1576
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,199
the project site. Um there are also uh a

1577
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,239
12T wide storm water easement and a 30

1578
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,120
foot wide uh ride ofway easement on that

1579
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,040
southern uh edge uh of the site.

1580
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,550
And

1581
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,719
there are four accessory structures you

1582
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:05,679
can see in this demolition plan uh along

1583
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:07,359
the front and rear portions of the

1584
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,080
project site. So there's that one uh

1585
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,000
accessory structure near that stream

1586
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
corridor uh along with those three other

1587
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,199
accessory structures

1588
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,719
um ranging from 288 ft to approximately

1589
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,239
2,14

1590
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:25,839
square ft structure. Uh that's currently

1591
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:28,640
being called as an ADU. Um so these four

1592
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,560
structures uh along with that main

1593
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,960
residence uh they're all proposed to be

1594
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,390
removed.

1595
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,279
And you can see uh the existing pictures

1596
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:42,560
of those uh uh structures at the site

1597
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,400
along with uh the portion of the

1598
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,000
vineyard that's also proposed to be

1599
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,189
removed.

1600
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,600
This is uh a slide of the proposed site

1601
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,120
plan. Uh I provided uh two site plans.

1602
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,400
Uh the right side shows more uh details

1603
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,280
uh showing the extent of that adjusted

1604
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,679
uh driveway. And as noted in the staff

1605
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,880
report, a second driveway exception uh

1606
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,440
may be uh would be required actually

1607
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:15,199
since uh they are uh proposing to adjust

1608
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,760
uh the second driveway opening uh

1609
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,600
further uh northwest along that man's

1610
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,920
need roadway.

1611
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,480
And as for the uh vineyard as mentioned

1612
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,679
earlier would be um modified and at this

1613
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,239
time they are proposing a septic leech

1614
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,280
fields to be placed in that area of that

1615
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,310
existing vineyard space.

1616
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,719
And so here are the proposed elevations

1617
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,640
uh starting with that main residence. So

1618
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,199
at the top uh shows the proposed front

1619
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,280
elevation and the bottom shows the

1620
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,199
proposed rear elevation for that main

1621
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,870
residence.

1622
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,719
And these are additional elevations for

1623
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,880
that main residence uh with the left

1624
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,719
showing the left elevation and that

1625
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:05,910
right showing the right elevation.

1626
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,840
These are proposed elevations for that

1627
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:13,030
detached garage

1628
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,199
and the proposed elevations uh for that

1629
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:19,350
ADU1

1630
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,199
and proposed elevations for the second

1631
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,430
ADU.

1632
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,920
And so again uh physical materials

1633
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,000
samples are not required at the CDR

1634
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,120
stage. However, the applicant has showed

1635
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,679
uh digital uh samples of the proposed

1636
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:38,800
materials and uh for all structures

1637
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,560
proposed at the site uh they are

1638
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,719
proposing uh wood sighting uh as well as

1639
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:49,840
gray uh stone veneer uh and painted uh

1640
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:55,750
dark colored uh slate roofing.

1641
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,760
The applicant has provided uh additional

1642
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,840
renderings for this uh project.

1643
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,840
So that concludes my presentation. Uh

1644
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,760
staff is happy to answer any questions.

1645
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,080
Uh story pools were also installed at

1646
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,840
the site uh at least 10 days prior to

1647
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,560
the hearing and the applicant is also

1648
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,080
here in attendance to answer any

1649
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,990
questions. Thank you.

1650
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,080
» Does anyone on the board have questions

1651
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:25,510
of staff?

1652
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,679
question about the amount of trees that

1653
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:29,520
are to be removed. Could you provide

1654
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,120
some clarity on that?

1655
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,679
>> Sure. Yes. So there are 21 trees uh to

1656
01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:36,640
be removed mainly along that uh western

1657
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,320
uh front portion. Um at this time we

1658
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,719
know that six are sign uh considered

1659
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:45,280
significant trees. Uh of those six

1660
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,760
significant trees uh two are cited in

1661
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:56,390
were health

1662
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,440
questions again. The uh black wire mesh

1663
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,199
on the fence once again it seems pretty

1664
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:02,960
tight and it's tight to the ground. Have

1665
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:04,640
you made any revisions to that at this

1666
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,400
point for wildlife habitat passing?

1667
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,120
Um I believe the applicant can provide a

1668
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,520
better responses

1669
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:19,590
get to that

1670
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,440
all the structures are all within the

1671
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,640
height uh limits. There's no exceptions

1672
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,360
to records as expected. No, the yeah, as

1673
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,880
from the information we have so far, it

1674
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,120
doesn't appear that the although this is

1675
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,120
just a it is a technicality when you are

1676
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,719
moving you have two driveways and you're

1677
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:36,159
moving one of them, it does require the

1678
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,560
second driveway exception. Um, and as we

1679
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,239
know in the staff report, typically

1680
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:41,440
getting further away from an

1681
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,000
intersection is a good thing. Um, it

1682
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,679
does then move it right across from a

1683
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:48,239
driveway across the street. Um, so some

1684
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:49,679
of those things in terms of safety and

1685
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,280
sight distance are things that we get at

1686
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,239
the next stage. Um, and it seems like

1687
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,719
the right thing to do. They could uh uh

1688
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:58,400
pro we could process a second driveway

1689
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,080
exception.

1690
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,120
>> You anticipated my second question.

1691
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,960
>> Have a question. The lead shield have to

1692
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,000
go beyond

1693
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,800
>> I think they're No, aren't they they I

1694
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:11,920
think they're a little bit beyond the

1695
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,159
applicants probably best explain it. Um

1696
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,000
but they they there's some area where

1697
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,360
they have to remove some of the vineyard

1698
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,880
to accommodate it and also they have the

1699
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,000
expansion area

1700
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:25,520
in the area where they're removing the portion where they're removing it

1701
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,000
yet.

1702
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,760
>> And and looking at the lighting, it

1703
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,520
appears that it's not dark sky lighting.

1704
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,000
>> No. So these are it's interesting. Um

1705
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,840
we'll get the full details, but I

1706
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,760
believe these are compliant. Um, when

1707
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,239
you see these glass shields, now that

1708
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:45,600
you have the small LED bulbs, those are positioned way in the top of the

1709
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,760
housing, which is technically shielded

1710
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,920
where that light source is. So, a lot of

1711
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,600
these old fixtures, you'd see the light

1712
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,080
bulb hanging down. And now, what we're

1713
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,600
seeing is a lot of these light new, more

1714
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,120
modern features have these tiny little

1715
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,360
bulbs up in the top. So, the area of the

1716
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,000
light source is shielded.

1717
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,440
Whatever.

1718
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:04,960
>> I don't think it's really the case with

1719
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,120
these specific fixtures, but

1720
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,719
>> yeah. Well, so when we just see we just

1721
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:09,840
get these pictures, we get the

1722
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,360
specifications to the next stage and

1723
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,600
they will have to make sure that the the

1724
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,480
bulbs do not hang down where they kind

1725
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,400
of eye level. You'd see them from the uh

1726
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,719
through the translucent glass.

1727
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:22,560
>> And is the Benjamin Moore paint color

1728
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,760
that Iron Mountain is that the siding

1729
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,480
paint color versus I don't know what

1730
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,960
Vera Stone is.

1731
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,960
So it looks like the entire majority of

1732
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,120
the building is that Benjamin Moore iron

1733
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,239
stone iron mountain which is pretty dark

1734
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,000
very dark. go back to the um

1735
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,840
so there and this is something the

1736
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,320
applicant can clarify cuz you know the renderings on the front had much

1737
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,159
lighter colored wood and then

1738
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:51,840
>> what they're showing here is so I think

1739
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,800
what we're seeing is that it is this um

1740
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,000
hickory stain is the actual sign

1741
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,000
Benjamin Moore I'd have to ask the

1742
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,199
applicant to clarify

1743
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:01,840
>> maybe the

1744
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,120
>> I think that might be yeah I think

1745
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,480
that's just some of the the trim

1746
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,159
painting

1747
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:06,480
and

1748
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,239
>> actually I got that clarification from

1749
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,199
that applicant. Uh as far as for the um

1750
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,320
uh exterior elevation uh for that wood

1751
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,239
uh sighting detail, uh they're going

1752
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:18,640
with the uh color shown in this uh

1753
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,709
materials rendering.

1754
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,709
» Thank you.

1755
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:31,199
» So they won't uh they're not proposing

1756
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:33,360
the wood color shown in this rendering

1757
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,760
from the title sheet. Uh they're showing

1758
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,159
the um um the wood color shown in this

1759
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:46,149
one. So it's it will be darker.

1760
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:49,840
» He's itching to answer us. Move.

1761
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,560
>> Any other questions of staff?

1762
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,679
>> Does the fence uh conform to what's in

1763
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:06,630
the code for fences?

1764
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,480
Um I can note that they will have to um

1765
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,480
do you have a specific question?

1766
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,040
>> They're really tight basically.

1767
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,800
>> Yeah. I mean we'll ensure I you know I'd

1768
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,280
have to go back off the top of my head.

1769
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,520
Um but uh yeah any of the proposed

1770
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:19,920
fences

1771
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,239
>> as far as the fencing um a portion of

1772
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,640
the existing fencing uh is existing

1773
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,880
along that rear side and is proposed to

1774
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,679
uh remain uh while that existing fencing

1775
01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,400
along the side and front uh which is

1776
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,800
along San Hill Road and along Manzanita

1777
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,760
Way are proposed to be removed and a new

1778
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,800
6 foot tall uh wooden wire fencing is

1779
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,480
proposed around that perimeter of the

1780
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,880
property uh approximately in that same

1781
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,560
location.

1782
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,159
So yeah, we'll ensure that that it's no

1783
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,239
taller than six feet and it has proper

1784
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:50,800
setback.

1785
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,480
>> I I guess the question that's come up

1786
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:55,520
this evening is this tight wire mesh is

1787
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,120
that

1788
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,360
>> so that you know in terms of that we're

1789
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,640
looking at residential design

1790
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,320
guidelines. There's general plan

1791
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,239
policies that encourage wildlife

1792
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:08,480
passage. Um and so uh definitely there's

1793
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:10,320
been cases in which people have been

1794
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,880
looked at if there's sufficient wildlife

1795
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,040
passage through the property. Um, and

1796
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,199
sometimes people have asked to kind of,

1797
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:19,679
you know, raise some portions, sometimes

1798
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:22,560
lower some portions of fencing to help

1799
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,640
encourage more wildlife passage. So,

1800
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,320
it's not a hard municipal code

1801
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,880
requirement. It's a more of a design

1802
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,960
guidelines and general plan policies for

1803
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:37,110
the encouragement of wildlife passage.

1804
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,400
Anything else?

1805
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,440
>> Okay. With that, we'll move on to

1806
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:47,040
presentation from the applicant.

1807
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,960
>> Thank you everybody. Uh my name is Is

1808
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:49,520
this on?

1809
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,360
>> Uh yes, just you can uh press the red

1810
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,120
handle in front of you under just below

1811
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,360
the mic and I can raise it up a little

1812
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,040
bit.

1813
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,960
>> Okay. My name is Gary Coulat Associates

1814
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,239
Architecture. Um thank you everybody for

1815
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,360
uh all your excellent questions. I think

1816
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,280
uh um it's refreshing to have a board

1817
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,520
that um is concerned but also um ask

1818
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,080
careful uh pertinent questions. So I

1819
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,480
appreciate that talking from someone

1820
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:23,040
I've been to many many towns and cities

1821
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,000
in the Bay Area. So um it's the first

1822
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,840
time we've been in in Athetherton for

1823
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,880
many years. Um I mean Woods, sorry.

1824
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:34,080
>> Like you're not here.

1825
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:34,560
>> Um

1826
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,600
>> we get confused all the Yeah. Uh I hope

1827
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,280
everybody was able to make it out to the

1828
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,600
site and got access onto the property.

1829
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,719
Um it is quite a beautiful property. Um

1830
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:51,040
it uh especially because the trees are mostly uh located on the perimeter.

1831
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,679
It it's kind of nice that we really

1832
01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:55,520
didn't have to take down too many trees.

1833
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,159
I'll speak on that in a moment. Um

1834
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,560
you've got the creek that circumvents

1835
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:05,840
the side and the rear. Um and um

1836
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,560
but we do have uh San Hill Road right

1837
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,640
adjacent to us and so that's a a very

1838
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,000
busy road and a lot of noise and and u

1839
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,520
and action there. Um we also we're uh

1840
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,280
have this vineyard that is um it's a dry

1841
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,040
vineyard at this point. It's not

1842
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:29,520
irrigated. So that's wonderful. It's producing. Um we intended to keep

1843
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,920
as much of this vineyard as possible. We

1844
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,159
are still working with the uh the septic

1845
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:36,159
design. We finally got our perk rates

1846
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:37,920
back and we're we're moving along on

1847
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:42,080
that. Um our intention is not to uh

1848
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,800
interlace these uh leash lines with the

1849
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,840
vineyard if possible. Um we do have an

1850
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:52,560
area that's cleared for that already. Um

1851
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,320
the um the site I want to speak a little

1852
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,760
bit about the dual access because um we

1853
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,040
were we were um uh very excited to have

1854
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,159
dual access in Woodside um on this

1855
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:08,480
particular property given the fact that

1856
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,040
it's it's close to the corner. Um

1857
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,920
there's not a lot of uh street parking.

1858
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,719
Uh this the way it functions today is

1859
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:19,120
the nice loop loop in loop out. you can

1860
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,280
get a lot of cars into that um that

1861
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,159
driveway on site. Um so we wanted to

1862
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:26,719
maintain that dual access and we worked

1863
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:30,719
really hard trying to keep the the

1864
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:33,679
both access points where they are. Uh it

1865
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:35,280
just really wasn't functioning very

1866
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,719
well. Wasn't very architectural as well.

1867
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:41,760
And so that's why we're we're proposing

1868
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,120
to move the the first the on the is it

1869
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,040
the you're you're calling it the east

1870
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:51,360
the south southern one um away from San

1871
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,600
Hill Road. It's just safer to do that.

1872
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,440
Our engineers have looked at that and

1873
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,040
verified that it meets all the

1874
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,800
engineering standards to do that. Um uh

1875
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,520
it just it just really helps our site.

1876
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,280
Um and we really want to maintain it. um

1877
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,480
if we had to uh we would move the move

1878
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,560
it back to the existing, but we're just

1879
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,320
asking to you guys and everybody to uh

1880
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,639
understand why we've done that. It just

1881
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:20,480
lines up better with our motorc court,

1882
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,639
with our driveways. It doesn't it

1883
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:26,880
reduces uh impervious coverage as well.

1884
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,199
uh and and impervious coverage. I know

1885
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,480
this came up on the on the previous um

1886
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:35,920
item. We are also inheriting a property

1887
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,560
with quite a bit more coverage than

1888
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,040
what's allowed. Um and we are uh asking

1889
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,800
for a little bit more than what's

1890
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,800
allowed, quite a bit less than than um

1891
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,360
uh what we could ask for. And certainly

1892
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,239
meeting that 25% reduction. We're

1893
01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:58,159
probably about 60 70% reduction. So, I

1894
01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,920
think we're we're we're we're in that

1895
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,719
good spirit of reducing the impervious

1896
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:05,920
coverage. The home itself uh is a

1897
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,800
two-story home and u we set that back to

1898
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,280
get get the heights that we desired to

1899
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,520
get our our our uh 11 foot ceilings in

1900
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,000
the main floor and and nice ceilings

1901
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,719
upstairs as well. Um the house is

1902
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:23,040
designed in a we're calling it a

1903
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:27,920
transitional um you know ranch not ranch

1904
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,199
but um it's a hard to put labels on

1905
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,920
houses these days you know but it it has

1906
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,800
a lot of traditional forms but it's got

1907
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,120
more modern detailing and so we're it's

1908
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,040
a falls into this transitional u uh

1909
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,239
label I suppose. Um the materials are

1910
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,800
all going to be natural. Uh we got the

1911
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,239
cedar, we've got real stone. Um and the

1912
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,840
wood that's uh there was a question

1913
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,000
about the wood. Uh we've got some

1914
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,560
panels, we've got some heavy trim, we've

1915
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,590
got fasciding

1916
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,920
will get a natural stain on it. Um and

1917
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,320
um we think that the combination is very

1918
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,800
uh is very becoming. It's it's it's

1919
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,199
understated. It's elegant. It fits

1920
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:18,960
Woodside. Um, and it it also fits the

1921
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:23,600
site very well. And the the the ADUs and

1922
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:25,920
garage will also be very complimentary

1923
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,040
matching materials. The garage or detach

1924
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,199
garage because it's a detach structure

1925
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:35,040
has a height limit. Um, and it so we had

1926
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,520
to cheat the the roof pitch a little

1927
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,000
bit. It doesn't match the house quite

1928
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,280
otherwise we'd have to ask for a

1929
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,639
variance. And so we've decided to not do

1930
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:47,679
that and make the the garage comply with

1931
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:51,600
the height limit. Um

1932
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,239
what else do I want to talk about? Um

1933
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,920
the it was is staff noted that the um

1934
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,159
our entrance is is not of human scale or

1935
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:05,040
something like that. Um we we're

1936
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,480
certainly willing to fine-tune this and lower it a little bit. Our thinking

1937
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,480
was when we were doing our our our

1938
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:16,320
massing is we have two uh gables that

1939
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:22,480
flank the entry. Those are those main uh feature points. And then um we

1940
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,960
felt that this we kept raising it to

1941
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,840
make it feel better fit the other to to

1942
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,120
fit the scale of the other tube. Um,

1943
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,600
however, um,

1944
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,120
we could see that we could bring it down

1945
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,920
a foot or so and and still still get

1946
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:43,040
that feel without it looking um too dim.

1947
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,719
So, we want to certainly want to call

1948
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:47,679
that call that entrance out, but also uh

1949
01:25:47,679 --> 01:25:49,199
be respectful to the overall

1950
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,199
architecture,

1951
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,920
but we're certainly amanable to to work

1952
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,880
with staff on on on getting that down.

1953
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,719
And maybe there's a good compromise

1954
01:25:58,719 --> 01:25:59,440
there.

1955
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:01,679
>> This is the bridge that you're speaking.

1956
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:05,600
>> I think they're talking about the entry itself with the arch. Yeah.

1957
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,239
>> Yeah.

1958
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:06,880
>> Got it.

1959
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,840
>> Right.

1960
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,159
So, um I'm trying to about the fences.

1961
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,920
We've worked on a landscape architect.

1962
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,920
Um he's done several projects in town um

1963
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,080
and he's aware of the uh the uh the

1964
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,639
guidelines versus the rules. And we just

1965
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:30,000
felt at this point um that you've got

1966
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,679
the creek, you've got a lot of wildlife

1967
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:33,760
that that has that creek access. We're

1968
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:35,280
certainly not going to block any of

1969
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,159
that, but with the vineyards to protect

1970
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,800
the swimming pool, all those things, it

1971
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,679
we just felt that that the uh the wire

1972
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:47,120
fence was was the right thing to do. We

1973
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,960
certainly um can work again with staff

1974
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,920
uh with our owners and um see if there's

1975
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,120
any way we can we can work together on

1976
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:02,070
this.

1977
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,400
But overall, I think it it it pretty

1978
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,040
much speaks for itself. I do want to say

1979
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,920
I I I certainly can emphasize with with

1980
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,080
uh with the other architect our

1981
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,480
renderings um we use different programs

1982
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:17,760
that will render different ways um and

1983
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,560
also seeing it on the screen at least on

1984
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,679
the projector screen maybe not on the TV

1985
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:26,400
it it also renders different and I've

1986
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,920
noticed we noticed that uh the end the

1987
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,159
our cover sheet renders were even

1988
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:35,440
brighter tonight whereas the our

1989
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,760
elevations were even darker. So, I think

1990
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,120
you're going to find something in the

1991
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:45,679
middle. Um, and uh and certainly those uh cover sheet renderings were not

1992
01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:49,440
meant to be uh like photo realistic, let

1993
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:52,159
me put it that way. So,

1994
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,159
but I think you get the idea. It's going

1995
01:27:54,159 --> 01:28:04,229
to be medium brown. What is that? So,

1996
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,560
um, is she any questions? I'd be happy

1997
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,159
to do my best to answer those.

1998
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:10,719
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, does any member of

1999
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,719
the board have questions? Um,

2000
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:14,480
>> I have a a quick question. I don't want

2001
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:18,719
to be on my own. So,

2002
01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:21,760
my house is fit because your kid goes

2003
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,080
crazy. They're good. Um, but on the

2004
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,080
sides of the property between your

2005
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,320
neighbors property, are there wildlife

2006
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,480
corridors? I mean, you're not fenced all

2007
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:31,360
the way.

2008
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:33,600
>> We are. To answer your question, there's

2009
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,960
an existing fence on the um, if you're

2010
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,880
looking at the property to the left.

2011
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,120
There's an existing solid wood fence

2012
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,840
there between the two properties.

2013
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,080
Um, there is an existing fence along the

2014
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,480
front. And there's also the existing

2015
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,960
fence that's along Sand Hill, which is

2016
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,679
actually not even on our property. It's

2017
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:56,239
in the right of way. And so we are

2018
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,639
removing that fence, but it has has been

2019
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:02,480
working to a certain degree. I I I but I

2020
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,320
think there's still wildlife that that

2021
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,480
probably gets on the property. I I don't

2022
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,239
live there, so I don't know. I I'm just

2023
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,639
thinking between you and your neighbors.

2024
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:13,040
Um are you going to use that fence

2025
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,560
that's already there or

2026
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,639
>> we our plan is to use that fence and not

2027
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:19,280
added additional fence to have any

2028
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:20,480
corridors. Correct.

2029
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:23,440
>> We're not we're not trying to we think

2030
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:30,709
that the creek is enough of a corridor.

2031
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:37,270
» Yeah, that'd be great.

2032
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,120
The property is open on three sides

2033
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,480
essentially with just one neighbor with

2034
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,520
a wood fence.

2035
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,560
>> That's correct.

2036
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:43,600
>> That's right. Yeah.

2037
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,199
>> There's a lot of access around that

2038
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:45,760
property.

2039
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,639
>> Mhm.

2040
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:51,199
>> Right.

2041
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:54,390
>> Yeah.

2042
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,159
» And and it's interesting the property

2043
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:59,040
does um extend to the other side of the

2044
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,400
creek from Whiskey Hill. So, there's a

2045
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,080
little section up there that we're not

2046
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,199
planning to do anything. But, um, you

2047
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,960
know, I think we need to be careful not

2048
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:13,440
to make that like a vacant open site,

2049
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,760
um, for other, you know, for other

2050
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,920
reasons. Um, so we will probably have

2051
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,159
some kind of a security fence up there.

2052
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:21,679
Um,

2053
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,520
but that's I don't even know if we have

2054
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,679
anything proposed other than what's

2055
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:27,280
there already. So,

2056
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:28,880
>> there's an existing white fence there,

2057
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,360
right?

2058
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,280
>> I think there's an existing wild. Yeah.

2059
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,310
So,

2060
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,239
I have to I have to be honest. I I

2061
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,159
haven't spent much time on that little

2062
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:42,320
piece of the property. Um

2063
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,320
we've been focusing on the on this other

2064
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,920
piece. It's it's it's been a wonderful

2065
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,239
property to to work on and staff's been

2066
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:53,189
great. So,

2067
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:56,639
» any other questions?

2068
01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:00,159
I have one as far as the overall pitch

2069
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:04,800
of that uh gable or arch before the door

2070
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,040
and the pitch of the ex the other two

2071
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,159
elements of the home. If the angle was

2072
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:12,239
not quite as sharp, wouldn't it feel a

2073
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:15,120
little softer and not as imposing as

2074
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,159
what it feels? You with me? On the front

2075
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,080
page when I'm looking and seeing,

2076
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,760
>> could we pull the elevations?

2077
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,199
>> This peak, this peak, and this peak, if

2078
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,120
they were flattened out a little bit,

2079
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,159
wouldn't it feel a little less

2080
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:33,199
>> in your face sort of? Maybe it's just

2081
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:34,639
plan I'm looking at.

2082
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:37,040
>> We've we've chosen this particular roof

2083
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,440
pits because it really really works with

2084
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:42,000
the style quite well and and it's very

2085
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,040
strong. Um I I don't again you're seeing

2086
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,920
this without trees. So we didn't

2087
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,480
superimpose any trees, you know, on

2088
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,120
these elevations. There's a lot of trees

2089
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,840
in the front actually that are existing

2090
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,480
that we're maintaining and that's going

2091
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,560
to go a long way. They're very tall and

2092
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,080
so this house have a little bit of

2093
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,440
height uh is not is not going to stand

2094
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:10,719
out. And this roof pitch, you can see it

2095
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,719
quite often in town. There's several

2096
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,400
examples of that roof pitch.

2097
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,080
>> It's interesting because when I look at

2098
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,320
that versus looking at this, it doesn't

2099
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,400
seem as severe a point.

2100
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:21,840
>> Oh, yeah.

2101
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,800
>> Just to add really the the plates on the

2102
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,400
second floor.

2103
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,440
>> Sorry, I'm Jaclyn Green.

2104
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:31,120
>> Um the plates on the second floor have

2105
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,679
been drastically reduced. So you you're

2106
01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:36,000
seeing standard 8 foot plates on the

2107
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,560
second floor, not 10 or 11 or 12 or what

2108
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,960
people like these days, only eight feet.

2109
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,800
So that is that helps with the severity

2110
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,480
of the height, but it's also going to

2111
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:46,000
add character to the inside because

2112
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,280
you're going to have vated ceilings

2113
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,520
inside and a lower plate line. And it's

2114
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,960
going to add these cool little nooks and

2115
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,639
crannies on that second floor as you go

2116
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:53,760
through the bridge to the other

2117
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,960
elements. So we are aware of the

2118
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,639
steepness. That's definitely part of the

2119
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:00,880
style of the architecture. But in order

2120
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,159
to reduce that overall uh impact, we've

2121
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,560
brought the plate down. The whole second

2122
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:07,920
floor has that 8ft plate.

2123
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,600
>> Thank you.

2124
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,239
I have a question on this bridge. So

2125
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,800
this this bridge it's all light. So in

2126
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,760
the evening is it going to be I mean it

2127
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,480
be lit up really essentially. It's all

2128
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:21,440
windows

2129
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,120
>> there. There's a lot of it's a it's a

2130
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:27,920
lot of windows. Um the um this house is

2131
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,480
going to have shades and most of the

2132
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:33,120
time these kind of these kind of windows

2133
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,600
you know are going to be drawn in

2134
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,800
nighttime for privacy. So, I don't think

2135
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,040
that you're going to have a lot of light

2136
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,159
uh impact coming out of these of these

2137
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:45,679
rooms.

2138
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:50,229
So,

2139
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:52,239
our idea was to make this more of a

2140
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:54,639
transparent and light. We tried to

2141
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:59,910
lighten it up.

2142
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,960
» What's on the back side of that bridge?

2143
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,800
What you're seeing is that's the that's

2144
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,880
the great room ceiling up there and

2145
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,679
that's clad in stone. Has a flat roof.

2146
01:34:09,679 --> 01:34:12,239
So when you walk on that bridge, you can

2147
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:14,239
see over that roof and out to the

2148
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:16,719
backyard.

2149
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:18,719
The whole house is focused on the back

2150
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:20,400
of the rear, right? The whole

2151
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:28,000
entertaining and the the pool and the the garden and the vineyards.

2152
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:31,669
>> Okay.

2153
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:35,830
Any other questions?

2154
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,000
» Neighbor outreach.

2155
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:38,560
>> I'm sorry.

2156
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,560
>> Have we had any neighborhood outreach?

2157
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,080
>> We haven't done any outreach yet. So,

2158
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:45,600
we have had the story pulls up for a

2159
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:47,360
couple weeks and we haven't heard any

2160
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,800
anything.

2161
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,990
>> Yeah.

2162
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,080
I think with going to two stories, your

2163
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,159
decision to push the house uh a little

2164
01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,679
bit further away from men's and either

2165
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:02,719
way is a good decision to offset that

2166
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:04,480
height a little bit.

2167
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,719
>> How far is it from?

2168
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:08,320
>> It's

2169
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,719
the existing house is right on the

2170
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:12,800
setback.

2171
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:13,520
>> Oh, another

2172
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,280
>> 20 70 something.

2173
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,719
>> 70. Yeah. And also going up adding some

2174
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:21,920
rooms upstairs um reduces our overall

2175
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,520
footprint.

2176
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,239
as well. We we started on one story and

2177
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:29,600
we cl you know we we were starting to go

2178
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,679
you know exceed the uh the the

2179
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:35,040
coverages. So this helps to concentrate

2180
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,000
it.

2181
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,840
Okay.

2182
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:45,270
Anybody else?

2183
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:46,480
» Okay. Thank you.

2184
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,920
Um without uh public

2185
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,960
comment, anyone online?

2186
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,080
>> There's no one online.

2187
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,000
>> No one online. No one I see no one in

2188
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,360
the room.

2189
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,080
>> So uh we will skip public comment or

2190
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,520
open and close it immediately. Uh and

2191
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:07,520
move to board deliberation.

2192
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,280
>> Okay. You need Okay, we're going to take

2193
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:12,639
five minutes

2194
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,360
>> break.

2195
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:20,550
>> 60 seconds.

2196
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,679
» Thank those knee replacements. Pretty

2197
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:47,669
simple.

2198
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:56,310
Yep.

2199
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,159
You're all making it easy on us. It's

2200
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:01,590
only 610.

2201
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,600
» The last The last meeting you had was in

2202
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,199
January.

2203
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:06,080
>> Was it really

2204
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:12,629
>> January?

2205
01:37:12,639 --> 01:37:16,000
So, yes, we're a little rusty tonight.

2206
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,520
Developed a clear obsession around

2207
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,880
fences for some reason. I'm not sure

2208
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:26,470
where that's coming from, but

2209
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:28,480
you can see the desire for security with

2210
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:58,709
sand hill.

2211
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:01,679
Okay. Uh, resuming. So, uh, board

2212
01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:04,320
deliberation. I'll kick it off tonight.

2213
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,159
Um, yeah, I think I was hardressed to

2214
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:11,280
put a label on style as well. So, but I

2215
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:14,000
commend your efforts to integrate the

2216
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,960
gables, stone, standing seam, metal

2217
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,719
roof, flat roof. So, it I think it works

2218
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:24,239
as a design. Um, I do have one

2219
01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:26,239
reservation. I'll echo Vice Chair

2220
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,000
Commer's comments about the bridge and

2221
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,280
the amount of glazing. Um, we often with

2222
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,280
homes that are on hillsides projecting

2223
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,199
outwards, we often are very concerned

2224
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:37,520
about light projection. Um I think there

2225
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,560
is some I I hold some reservations here

2226
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,480
about just projection of light. We don't

2227
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:47,679
want to we're hardressed to to accept uh

2228
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,880
shades or blinds as a solution in this

2229
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:54,159
case. Um so that's one area where I do

2230
01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:57,040
have some concerns about this especially

2231
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:01,840
given that's facing away. Um,

2232
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,840
but beyond that, I think overall, I

2233
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,560
mean, it's a I think it's a good a good

2234
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:12,560
approach to the design. Um, yeah, that's pretty much sums it up

2235
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:16,310
for me.

2236
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:18,400
» Well, one thing we've asked for in the

2237
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:21,199
past has been, could the windows on that

2238
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:24,320
backside be a glazing that is

2239
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:26,480
non-reflective?

2240
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:28,239
>> Yeah. And so something that come to my

2241
01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:30,480
mind when I hear the comments is we

2242
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:31,840
actually just completed up a formal

2243
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,600
design review with staff in which the

2244
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,920
conceptual design review came to ASRB

2245
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:37,520
and it had a fair amount of glazing on

2246
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,679
the front of the building and uh one of

2247
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:41,600
the solutions for that project was to do

2248
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,520
what's called this low E glass. It's

2249
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,760
like low emission glass. So it helps to

2250
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,880
reduce the amount of light emission. Um

2251
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,880
and so that's something that ASRB could

2252
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,280
consider.

2253
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,600
Could we require shades to be a part of

2254
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,119
the

2255
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,360
>> I you would just caution on that just

2256
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:02,159
because you know the enforcement from

2257
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:04,239
the town on something like that is just

2258
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:07,590
not realistic.

2259
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,719
» Yeah. The property developed below me uh

2260
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,199
the plan was for this photochromatic

2261
01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:16,000
glass and they never implemented

2262
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,920
>> even low E. Isn't that what we require

2263
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,080
all the time pretty much? Uh there's

2264
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:23,679
well there's low energy requirements but

2265
01:40:23,679 --> 01:40:24,960
this is something that's for light

2266
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,920
emission in particular. Uh tell the

2267
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:29,760
story that it's it sometimes called

2268
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,560
turtle glass uh given that a lot of

2269
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,000
large homes on the Florida coast were um

2270
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,480
providing a lot of glazing and it was

2271
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,639
creating problems for the turtles laying

2272
01:40:40,639 --> 01:40:43,520
their eggs on the beach at night. Um,

2273
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,920
and so this was many years ago and a lot

2274
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,159
of this glass technology kind of came

2275
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,400
from that. Um, and trying to reduce the

2276
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:54,239
light emission in particular.

2277
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:56,320
>> I don't think we can require it, but is

2278
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,000
this something that we can look into as

2279
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,560
being part of an objective standard?

2280
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,000
>> Yes, definitely. In terms of like the

2281
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,280
amount of glazing, I think it's

2282
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:04,719
something that um,

2283
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:06,639
>> even the materials used like low E

2284
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:07,199
glass,

2285
01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,199
>> right? Yeah, you low e glass could be

2286
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:10,719
something to be looked at as well as the

2287
01:41:10,719 --> 01:41:12,719
amount of glazing percentages of walls,

2288
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:14,000
things like that could be built into

2289
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:18,709
objective standards.

2290
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:25,189
» Anyone else?

2291
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:27,280
» Liberation.

2292
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,560
>> I I'm curious. Are are they looking for

2293
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,159
a high?

2294
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:35,440
>> Uh it is no not for this. Um I mean

2295
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:37,040
we'll we'll get more information at

2296
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,960
formal design review stage to verify

2297
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:40,719
that. So I just always want that caveat.

2298
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:43,119
But um at the way it's shown now it does

2299
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:44,320
not appear that it would need any type

2300
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,040
of height exception.

2301
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,719
>> It didn't appear to have any exceptions.

2302
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:49,119
Right.

2303
01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:51,280
>> It's just this moving of the driveway

2304
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,760
which is the second driveway except

2305
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,440
>> I can totally support that. I mean they

2306
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:58,080
already have the second access, right?

2307
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,159
So they're just trying to move it to be

2308
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:02,719
better situated. It would be a different

2309
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,239
conversation if they were asking for a

2310
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:05,920
second drive and they only had one

2311
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:12,550
currently.

2312
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,560
Anyone else like to summarize their

2313
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:17,199
thoughts and

2314
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:18,480
position on this?

2315
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,320
>> Yeah, I I I think it's a really nice

2316
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:21,920
project that really makes excellent use

2317
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,360
of the site and I didn't have any

2318
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,520
questions or concerns. I do know that

2319
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,760
often we talk about large glass uh

2320
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,760
penetration being a concern about

2321
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,199
flooding the neighborhood to a light,

2322
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:33,520
but I have looked as I've driven around

2323
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,239
Woodside, the newer glass products do a

2324
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:40,400
lot to reduce emission. And I rarely

2325
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,239
drive through Woodside and go, "Oh, wow.

2326
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:43,520
There's a lot of light coming from that

2327
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,000
big glass house." But I see a lot of

2328
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,960
people with non-standard

2329
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,360
uh light fixtures that put out enormous

2330
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,119
amounts of light. That probably is where

2331
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,280
we need to be as cautious as anything

2332
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:56,800
and avoiding, you know, a lot of

2333
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,480
uplighting, only doing down lighting and

2334
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:00,239
some of the existing policies that are

2335
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,800
trying to deal with that. But I thought

2336
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,040
that design was great and would be a

2337
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:11,350
wonderful improvement to the property.

2338
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,520
» Yeah, I kind of echo that. I mean, I had

2339
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,600
no issues with the pitch or the bridge.

2340
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,400
You know, it all fits with what we

2341
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,360
currently allow in in Woodside. I think

2342
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,600
it's a great update. I think like I

2343
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,360
said, moving the driveway makes sense to

2344
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,360
align it with the motor court. Like if

2345
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,040
you were starting fresh, that's exactly

2346
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:30,880
where I'd put it.

2347
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:35,199
>> Yeah, I don't really have any issues.

2348
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:37,520
I would I would support moving to formal

2349
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:38,239
staff.

2350
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:41,679
>> Great. Thank you.

2351
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:42,639
>> Hey, Sage.

2352
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,920
>> Yes. Great. Okay. So I've heard uh so

2353
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,719
the ASRB commended the applicant uh for

2354
01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:51,440
the design and materials of the building

2355
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:54,960
um with the one somewhat concerned is

2356
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,520
looking at the glazing at the bridge um

2357
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,400
facing mansita in particular uh and

2358
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,800
talked about possibility of implementing

2359
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,920
some low e low light emission glass for

2360
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,840
the project. Um, and other than that,

2361
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,320
uh, their applicant commended for the

2362
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,840
applicant for looking at the driveway

2363
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,119
and the new location. Uh, and I'll just

2364
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:20,159
add the caveat so long as it is, uh,

2365
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:22,880
shown to be safe uh, through their

2366
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,400
project engineer and verified by the

2367
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,119
town engineering department. Um, but

2368
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:29,360
with that, I heard one comment about

2369
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:31,520
forwarding this to staff for formal

2370
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:34,159
design review. um if they still needed

2371
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:36,159
the second driveway exception and it

2372
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:37,600
didn't have to come back to ASRB, it

2373
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:38,960
would just go straight to the planning

2374
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:40,960
commission and they would act on the

2375
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:42,400
design and the second driveway

2376
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,400
exception.

2377
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:48,960
>> Okay. Do we have a motion?

2378
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,400
>> I'd make the motion that it go straight

2379
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:51,840
to the planning commission based on

2380
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,920
those facts and that they would consider

2381
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:56,239
the lighting plan somewhere along the

2382
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:57,520
line.

2383
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,960
>> I'll second that.

2384
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:02,400
>> Chair Lindsay. Yes,

2385
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:03,520
>> Vice Chair Comra.

2386
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:04,000
>> Yes.

2387
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,119
>> Member Deaggavio.

2388
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:05,600
>> Yes.

2389
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:06,719
>> Member Middleman.

2390
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:07,199
>> Yes.

2391
01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:08,480
>> Member Sullivan.

2392
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:10,719
>> Yes.

2393
01:45:10,719 --> 01:45:11,520
>> Thank you.

2394
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:12,320
very much.

2395
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:16,390
>> Thank you so much.

2396
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,040
» And I apologize. Who second? Who do

2397
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:19,920
this?

2398
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:20,159
>> Second.

2399
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:22,480
>> Done. Thank you.

2400
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:27,510
>> Yep.

2401
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,080
I always thought it was made notes on

2402
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,119
that.

2403
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:33,840
>> We all do just temple.

2404
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:36,800
>> I would defer to Julia.

2405
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,920
>> Okay. We have three director's reports.

2406
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:40,639
>> Yes. And I

2407
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:41,199
>> thank you very much.

2408
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:42,159
>> It's a beautiful view.

2409
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,000
>> Um what I what I'm going to do is just

2410
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,600
primarily focus on March because that

2411
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,480
has I think what we now now mainly talk

2412
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,719
about is looking at the number of units.

2413
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:54,000
Um so the uh the I think the second page

2414
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,679
here has these um kind of different

2415
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:00,719
graphs and it shows

2416
01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:03,520
that in January we didn't issue permits

2417
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:09,040
for any new units. Um it's possible that really comes out of just being

2418
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:13,280
after the holidays. Um and you know for

2419
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:14,560
whatever reason it's still kind of the

2420
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,040
middle of winter and people just at that

2421
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:19,119
particular time didn't have permits

2422
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,000
ready. Um February they noted that we

2423
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,920
issued three permits for ADUs and one

2424
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,000
for a single family dwelling. And then

2425
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,440
in March we had six ADUs, one of them

2426
01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:32,000
being a Jadu and one new single family

2427
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,320
dwelling. And April is over. I just have

2428
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:35,600
not run that report. I'll probably do

2429
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:38,870
that tomorrow.

2430
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,239
» Um other than that, we continue to be

2431
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:43,119
busy and I know we have had um kind of

2432
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:45,679
this gap in time. We have had a lot of

2433
01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:49,040
applications come in um in the last uh

2434
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,760
few months and um our team is full

2435
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,600
again. Um one of our planners was out

2436
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,000
for about eight months but she's back

2437
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,560
now and so be great to help kind of move

2438
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,080
some more of the stuff along.

2439
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,159
>> Good get to talk much.

2440
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,639
>> So is there do you see a trend now with

2441
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:09,119
like new construction? I mean there's

2442
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,040
clearly a lot more ADUs getting built at

2443
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:11,280
this

2444
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,280
>> Definitely a lot more ADUs for sure. Um,

2445
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,920
and no, I you know, I think part of it

2446
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,159
is is ADUs have kind of been

2447
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:20,239
demystified. You know, I think, you

2448
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:21,760
know, there's been just not just from

2449
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,280
the town's perspective, but just all

2450
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,199
over the state, a lot more focus and

2451
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:27,280
people understand what they are, um,

2452
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,360
understand that they can be attainable.

2453
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,840
I you know and something that we promote

2454
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,679
and are continuing to find ways to

2455
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:38,480
promote more is that the town has signed

2456
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:42,400
up as part of um this county ADU

2457
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,920
resource center. Um so they also provide

2458
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,600
other types of things that can help

2459
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,159
people with looking at budgets or they

2460
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:52,320
have different designs that you know we

2461
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:53,600
always tell people to double check with

2462
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,840
the town and make sure these designs uh

2463
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,000
can fit within our parameters but most

2464
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,159
of them do. Um, so there's other

2465
01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:02,960
resources that we are continuing to

2466
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,480
promote and finding other ways to

2467
01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,639
promote better as well as we're

2468
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:09,119
continuing to work on uh ADU standards.

2469
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,199
Um, we went to the planning commission

2470
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:12,960
in

2471
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,239
um, uh, March, I guess getting confused

2472
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:18,800
at I'm sorry, is April. Um, with uh,

2473
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,800
some additional changes to ADU standards

2474
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,119
to try to provide more flexibility. uh

2475
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,119
they had a few comments and we're hoping

2476
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:28,159
to bring that back to them on May 20th

2477
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,320
before it goes to the town council. So

2478
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,119
just again continuing to work on ways to

2479
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,600
provide more flexibility for use.

2480
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,480
>> I know that we passed I think we were

2481
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:40,480
required to do it by the state but that

2482
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,520
we were have

2483
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,629
pre-approved

2484
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:47,280
ADU.

2485
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,520
>> Yeah. So there's a you know essentially

2486
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,320
the we have we'll just follow the state

2487
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:53,600
law for that. There's a process for

2488
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:56,560
that. No one has applied for that. Um so

2489
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,080
as an architect or a prefab company they

2490
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,400
could come into the town and say we'd

2491
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:03,760
like for you to just look at our

2492
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,440
building itself. It won't be a

2493
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:08,239
foundation or actual site review but

2494
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:09,840
does it meet the height and the size

2495
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,560
which are basically the two criteria. Um

2496
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,800
and so they could do someone could you

2497
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,040
know any company could apply for that be

2498
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,119
reviewed by the town to ensure that it's

2499
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:22,239
okay and then from there um they would

2500
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:23,840
have then we would post that on our

2501
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,800
website directly. So the question of the

2502
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,040
question was would this board be

2503
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:30,960
involved in any way with that review or

2504
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:32,480
>> no these are just things that do they

2505
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:36,239
meet code um and so uh and so it's just

2506
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:36,639
based up

2507
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:39,440
>> it's a guideline aspect of

2508
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,840
>> to the extent of yes I mean they have to

2509
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,560
meet the objective criteria for the ADUs

2510
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,239
um and so uh this ADU resource center

2511
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:50,560
they have a lot of people have gone

2512
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,960
through them and had that posted online

2513
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,679
um you know for example If one ADU had a

2514
01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:57,840
20ft plate height limit, that just

2515
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,840
wouldn't meet our code requirement.

2516
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,239
>> But with regards to like colors or, you

2517
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:04,480
know, facades, the only way that this

2518
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:06,639
board could have any input on what those

2519
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:08,880
are is through

2520
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,119
the generation of objective standards.

2521
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:12,159
>> That's correct. If there were some

2522
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:13,440
objective design standards would

2523
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,040
definitely involve the ASRB,

2524
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:16,560
>> which leads into the other question I

2525
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,360
had. you know, we've had fencing, color,

2526
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:22,320
and lighting come up regularly when

2527
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:23,600
we're viewing,

2528
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,280
>> you know, project after project. And

2529
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:28,000
we've also had a very large gap. And

2530
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:29,440
maybe I'm going to put my foot in my

2531
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:30,880
mouth and say that it's been a light

2532
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,080
year.

2533
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,719
>> Um, but

2534
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:36,239
yeah, would it be in this board's

2535
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:38,480
perview to have a study session on those

2536
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:40,480
three topics and and then maybe come up

2537
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,880
with some suggestions for a future

2538
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:44,080
objective standard?

2539
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,719
>> Uh, yes. If the town is to engage in

2540
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:48,400
that process, we'd definitely in involve

2541
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,320
the ASRB in that

2542
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,400
>> stage at this point. If people are, we

2543
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,119
know people are building ADUs, they

2544
01:50:55,119 --> 01:50:57,199
don't have to come by our

2545
01:50:57,199 --> 01:50:58,800
>> That's correct. They go straight to the

2546
01:50:58,800 --> 01:50:59,520
building permit.

2547
01:50:59,520 --> 01:50:59,840
>> Yeah.

2548
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,760
>> And are they somewhere that we'd be able

2549
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,600
to look up and see that? Like I've got

2550
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,840
one popping up on my street and I'm

2551
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:06,880
like, "Oh, I wonder what it's going to

2552
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:07,360
look like."

2553
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,440
>> Sure. Yeah. So, uh, the plans are all

2554
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,760
public record. Um, so we can't give

2555
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,280
copies of them out without the

2556
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,199
architect's permission. Um, but they're

2557
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:18,239
always available at town. Um, so you can

2558
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:20,159
we have open counter hours Monday

2559
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:22,159
through Thursday in the mornings. Um,

2560
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:23,840
that's one way I always encourage people

2561
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,600
to just maybe set up an appointment with

2562
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,360
somebody. Um, and they can sometimes do

2563
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,440
that after the counter hours as well.

2564
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:31,280
Uh, so that's just so you ensure someone

2565
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:33,119
will be there and easily be able to

2566
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:34,400
>> So that's not online anywhere to look

2567
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:34,639
at.

2568
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:36,000
>> No, it's just because we because then

2569
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:37,280
people can make copies of it.

2570
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,760
>> Oh, I see. Got So that's why those

2571
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,679
particular plans are just viewable at

2572
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:42,239
town hall.

2573
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,400
>> Thanks.

2574
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:49,520
>> I see people now instead of

2575
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:54,480
they're doing sort of mobile homes

2576
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:56,320
with

2577
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,239
>> Is that

2578
01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:00,960
>> um it's not in Woodside. Um it's

2579
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,960
something that you know there's you know

2580
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:05,760
the tiny homes and even mobile homes in

2581
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,119
general um those are not permitted in

2582
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,760
Woodside in terms of being able for

2583
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,639
someone to live in. Um you can store a

2584
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:16,719
mobile home on your property but the

2585
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:20,560
main issue is um

2586
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,280
uh safety. Um are they connected to

2587
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,840
septic systems? Are the septic systems

2588
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,320
evaluated for that? Um they're not on a

2589
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,080
foundation. we have a lot of

2590
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,760
geotechnical issues in the town of

2591
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:35,280
Woodside. Um, and so that's the primary

2592
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,040
reason is that they're not a fixed to a

2593
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:40,239
foundation. Uh, and so that any any

2594
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:43,360
habitable living unit needs to comply

2595
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:46,159
with those standards

2596
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,080
at least for Woodside. I I can't speak

2597
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:49,360
to other jurisdictions and how things

2598
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:49,920
are.

2599
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:57,589
>> People that are doing it.

2600
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:00,960
» Okay. that I will adjourn at whatever

2601
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,320
that is 6:24

2602
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,639
3

2603
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:07,280
>> done.

2604
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:07,920
>> Thanks.

2605
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:08,639
>> Thank you.

2606
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,599
We're back.