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Okay, going to call to order a meeting

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of the SRB for Monday

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May 18th at 4:30 p.m.

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Roll call.

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Chair Lindsey. Yes. Vice Chair Comer.

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Yes.

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Member Del Gavio. Yes. Member Middleman.

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Yes. Member Sullivan.

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Hey, gang's all here.

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Um, do we have any changes to the

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agenda? Uh, there are no changes to the

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agenda. You have one desk item of

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support for item number two on Espinoza

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and two desk items for item number three

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um, from the same neighbor um, just

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requesting some additional landscaping.

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That'll be noted in the staff report.

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And um, I'll just note that

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the with regarding to the chair and the

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vice chair vote the

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uh, we've discussed at the staff level.

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the council. See if they'd like to waive

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that provision for this time. And then

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that's going to go to the next council

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meeting. After that decision, we'll

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bring it back to the SRB for vote.

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And item one, the minutes of May 4th

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have been pulled. Yes, so item one

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actually is that is a change to the

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agenda. Item one is not has not been

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provided yet. It's just the minutes. Um,

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so we'll provide that on your next

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agenda.

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With that, we'll just jump right into

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the public hearing and

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the first item being 885 Espinoza Road.

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So, in to recuse myself from 885

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Espinosa Road. Okay. I live within 1,000

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ft. Um not only do I use the road, I

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also participate in the road maintenance

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committee that maintains the road

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as well as drive through the

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intersection of

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Manzanita and Espinosa every day. So

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since I have a foreseeable conflict and

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bias, I'm going to step out of the room.

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So noted that uh member Middleman's

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recusing himself from this item and

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Julie, you'll notify him when we're

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finished.

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Right. Thank you.

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Hope you're all doing well. It's been a

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minute. Good to see everyone. Um so

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tonight I'm going to be giving an

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introduction to the project at 885

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Espinosa Road.

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The applicant has submitted formal

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design review plans for proposals to

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demolish an existing accessory structure

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and to construct a remodel and addition

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up to a complete demolition rebuild for

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an existing single-family residence and

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partial basement and an addition to an

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existing deck,

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rebuild of an existing carport and other

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site improvements. For a really brief

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bit of background, um the ASRB did hear

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this at CDR back in 2022 and at that

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time it was recommended that this

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project proceed to formal design review

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with the staff um addressing the ASRB's

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minimal comments regarding studying

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light emission.

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The project was deemed complete at a

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staff level at FDR in 2022, but the

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project did expire in December of 2024.

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submitted by the applicant, we found

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that this was a like-for-like submittal

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and that there were no substantial code

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changes since the time of the last

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application that would impact the

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project's compliance. Therefore, it was

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deemed okay to proceed directly to

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formal design review with ASRB given

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that the board had already analyzed

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conceptual design review at a public

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hearing.

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there are no uh sorry, there is one desk

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item for this, which was a letter from a

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neighbor expressing support in the

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project's design, and the project is

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categorically exempt from

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885 Espinosa Road is in the SCP 10

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zoning district, and the property is

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approximately 3.26 acres in size. It's

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located on the west side of Espinosa

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Road, which is a private road off of

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Grandview Drive.

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The property has an existing residence

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with a partial basement and several

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accessory structures site. The property

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is characterized by steep slopes and

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includes mature oak, madrone, and

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redwood and bay trees throughout the

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property site. No tree removal is

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proposed in conjunction with the project

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at this time.

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The applicant has proposed an addition

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and remodel. Um we can see the areas of

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addition here in gray. Um remodel, we

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have dash in this carport here as well

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as some rebuilds on the dining terrace

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and addition on the deck.

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the scope of work, uh as mentioned, will

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include an addition to the deck, which

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is kind of dash back here in the back,

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relatively

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um minor upgrade improvements. Um as you

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can see on the site plan, this is

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relatively centrally located on the

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property. The

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proposed main resident additions will be

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on the western front facade and the

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eastern rear facade, and then that new

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deck addition will be on that rear

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facade as well.

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The uh proposed and existing elevations

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are shown here, so you can see the

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degree of modification that we're kind

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of looking at. There are some changes in

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roof lines, but generally same um form

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for the most part. Uh

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the roof lines will remain understated

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and simple in form, and are moderately

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sloped gable roof lines. The main

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residence is broken up into these

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segments of various heights helping to

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reduce the structure's massing. The main

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residence includes this at grade deck

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which we can see here on the back. Um

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that addition will take place there.

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Um and the rebuilt car carport roof line

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you can see on this elevation. Um

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rather than having a single mass now

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being broken into two masses which is

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helping to reduce that visual impact a

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little bit.

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continue to a join an existing driveway.

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otherwise the routing

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will be relatively same.

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Uh materials for the proposed main

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residence and attached garage include

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composite shingle roofs, vertical

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stained um board and batten siding,

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stacked stone wainscots, and integral

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color plaster. The project color palette

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includes a variety of earth tone colors

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including shades of brown, gray, rusty,

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cream.

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And members of the team should be here

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to address any questions you may have

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about this design. The project team will

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provide a brief application I believe

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application presentation shortly I

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believe and the staff is happy to answer

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any questions you have for us if there

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are any that have popped up. All right,

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couple of questions. So uh given this is

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somewhat unique for us to do a

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of a previously approved formal design

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review, can you offer any guidance to

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this board in terms of

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how the scope of our questioning?

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So it's technically a new project. The

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other project expired. Um so the board

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can provide any comments related to the

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design on this project. Um there is is

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formal design review. So what you have

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in the staff report are recommended

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conditions of approval. If the board

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finds that no changes are needed or no

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modifications to those conditions of

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approval are needed and can recommend

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approval of the project. That can be a

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motion. Um

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if there's any reasons for changes or

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modifications to the condition,

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the board can provide those

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Um and we can still request uh applicant

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presentation. Yes. Yep.

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staff report, there was feedback from

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the conceptual design review on interior

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and exterior lighting.

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schedule in the package. So, hard to

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assess.

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there is a lighting plan. In conjunction

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with this, we have it on paper and I can

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proposed during the last round. Okay.

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shielded.

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project plans.

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would but by definition meet our dark

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sky requirements and criteria for all

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lighting, right?

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shielded and all the faces up.

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current exterior fixtures in conjunction

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with the structure as shown. Yeah, it's

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just that there was no

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placement or count, total count in terms

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of lighting, so where they're located.

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I didn't know.

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provided by the applicant and just

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wasn't slip sheeted into

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and set. Typically it's like near doors

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and things like that. It wouldn't be

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throughout the facility or down the

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stairs and that sort of thing. Mhm.

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that it was like for like. I can pull it

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from the previous plan set um that they

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submitted in round one. I think that

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they had just forgotten to actually

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integrate the sheet in round two. Um,

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would that be something we're interested

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in looking at? Um, well, we'll see.

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where our questioning goes.

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this front page, actually, on um,

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sheet A1, they have provided these

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sconce locations. It's just not

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incredibly big, um, compared Can you put

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that on the screen? Yeah, I'll put that

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If you see, uh, they do have the sconce

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locations kind of called out

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on this,

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um, initial site plan sheet.

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That's it. That's like the four of them.

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Nothing downstairs, nothing on the

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Uh, so, this carport one is on the lower

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Nothing. Okay. Uh, I mean, with that,

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we'll invite applicant to, uh,

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present if they choose.

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Squeeze rip. The Oh, there you go.

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Uh, good evening. My name is Gary Ahern.

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I am the project architect for 885

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Espinosa. I get the

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unusual thing about uh, making this

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presentation twice. Uh, as Jillian

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posted, um, we did go through in 2022,

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uh, was unanimously approved at that

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point.

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Um, with all the intentions, and then we

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had that little interesting hiccup in

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22, um, and then combine that with the

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road washing out on 84,

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uh, the project sort of got put on hold.

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And, uh, life-changing, and then

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decided to pick it up again.

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Unfortunately, right after the timeline

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had expired, so that's why we're before,

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uh, you lovely people here today.

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Um, happy to answer any questions you

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might have. The one question about the

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lighting the lighting we have is is

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proposed as minimal. It's basically what

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code requires at each exterior door. We

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don't have a lot of We're not doing any

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building up lighting or anything

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artistic or anything like that.

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Okay.

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Any questions uh from members of the

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board for the app? No? No. No?

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Thank you.

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Wow, this one's going to be fast.

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Um

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Yeah, I mean I had

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So uh uh public comment. I always forget

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this one. Sorry.

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Uh is anyone online or in the room wish

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to make a comment on this project?

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For those online, please use the raise

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hand feature if you'd like to make a

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comment.

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There are no raised hands. No.

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So aside from the dust item, there was

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no other

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public comment.

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Um okay, put close public comment and go

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to board deliberation. Anyone wish to

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make a

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uh summary of

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anything regarding this project other

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than

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they've

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>> [laughter]

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>> Okay.

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Uh same.

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No, no, I think it's it's very

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attractive.

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It's a very attractive spot, sunny spot

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in the back, and I like the materials.

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Um it seems I mean it basically blends

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in the type of houses that we'd like

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built in Woodside.

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So uh no, I especially since it's

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already gone and been approved. I have

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no questions or concerns. Okay, good.

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Thank you.

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Um yeah, from my perspective

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I'll echo

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my share commerce's comments. I mean I

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think it was already

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heavily scrutinized. I think all the

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changes I think are are uh easily

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rationalized. Um

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I only comment about the lighting seeing

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just two fixtures on the rear of the

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structure. I think that's

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not an issue. So, yeah.

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Can we have a motion to approve?

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So moved.

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I'm not making the motion. I'm I'm I so

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moved to make the motion.

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>> Okay.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Just clarify in that motion that that

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would be to adopt all of the recommended

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conditions of approval as set forth.

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Correct.

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I second that motion.

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Chair Lindsey? Yes. Vice Chair Comrie?

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Yes. Member Dalgaav? Yes. Member

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Sullivan? Yes. And member Middleman is

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noted recused.

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Thank you.

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That was the fastest ever.

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>> you long to drive [snorts] down the

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hill.

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>> [laughter]

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» It is possible to be a champion.

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Two questions? I can do four.

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As a new grandmother, [clears throat]

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I was saying there's not enough light.

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That's what I was thinking.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Yeah. Yeah.

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How common How common is it that to have

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a project expire and have to come back?

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That's another one just recently

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occurred.

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Um It's about the economy.

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So, yeah, they get letters and they have

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2 years in which they have to obtain

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building permits. There is a provision

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that they can apply for an extension

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before the expiration.

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And it's just unfortunate that they

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didn't

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apply for that in enough time.

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Okay. Moving on to item three.

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This is 170 Fox Hollow Road.

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Which we saw in November.

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Ooh.

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I'm flying.

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Yeah.

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A refreshed.

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All right.

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This uh presentation's going to include

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analysis of a formal design review uh to

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demolish an existing single-family

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dwelling, pool, and associated site

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improvements, and to construct a new

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single-family main residence with an

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attached garage and attached studio ADU,

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um two detached ADUs, a detached

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trellis, a pool, and associated site

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improvements on a lot located at 170 Fox

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Hollow Road.

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There are two desk items associated with

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this agenda item. Both of them are um

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from the same applicant's representative

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um who brought up some questions

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regarding increasing landscape screening

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along the shared property line with

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their respective client, as well as um

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potentially evaluating an option to

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increase the height of uh landscaping

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walls to further provide that shielding.

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Uh the subject property is 3.013 acres,

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and it's located at the end of Fox

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Hollow Road. The site is currently

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developed with the single-family main

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residence, a pool, and

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associated site improvements. Uh the

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site slopes upward from Fox Hollow and

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contains numerous significant trees

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around the peripheries of the project

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with a large portion of the trees

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concentrated on the east, south, and

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west sides of the existing main

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residence.

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>> [clears throat and cough]

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>> The applicant has proposed construction

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of a new single-family main residence

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sited in the approximate center of the

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property near the general location of

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the existing main residence.

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The proposed main residence will include

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an attached garage and an attached

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studio ADU, both of which are partially

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daylighted.

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The applicant has proposed two um two

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detached accessory dwelling units, a

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pool ADU and a guest ADU, one of which

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is located southwest of the proposed

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main residence and adjacent to the

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proposed auto court, which we see down

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on this lower portion of the slide. And

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the other of which is located northwest

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of the proposed main residence and

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adjacent to the pool and detached

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trellis. We have the pool in this dash

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line right here shows the location of

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that detached trellis.

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The applicant has proposed relocation of

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the existing driveway entrance that the

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driveway entrance is located on the

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northmost portion of the front property

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line that adjoins Fox Hollow Road.

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Previously, it was down on this lower

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segment, come up a little bit. And

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they've done the routing on the driveway

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in such a way that it's avoiding the

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existing on-site trees in which is the

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kind of a cluster of existing foliage

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right here along the frontage.

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The applicant proposes a main residence

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with both one-story and two-story

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elements and attached covered patio

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spaces adjoining the front and rear

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building facades.

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We can see that the residence contains

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medium to high pitched gable roofs

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connected by a series of breezeways. So,

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the building's kind of that L-shape. And

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the structure features a multitude of

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patios and decks as well as glazing

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oriented towards the outdoor living

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spaces.

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The proposed accessory dwelling units

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employ employ gable rooflines as well

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with medium pitches and they align

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closely with the style of the main home.

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The proposed guest ADU consists of a

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kitchen, living space, bedroom, and one

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and a full bathroom. And the proposed

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ADU pool consists of a kitchen, living

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space, bedroom, and two full bathrooms.

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The proposed main residence includes a

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mixed exterior color palette and

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materials palette consisting of

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weathered wood siding, rubble stone

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walls, standing seam metal roofs, patina

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steel doors and windows, metal railings,

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and metal cladding.

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You have some samples right there to

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everybody's left. That's 170 Fox

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Hollow's palette. So, you can get a

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little look at what they look like in

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person.

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The proposed color palette includes a

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variety of earth tone colors and shades

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of brown, mid tone, and sharp grays and

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black.

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The detached ADUs and are proposed to

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consist of a similar exterior material

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materials palette to the main residence

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including wood siding, steel doors and

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windows, stone veneer, and standing seam

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metal roofing. The proposed ADUs are in

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the same color palette as the main

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as well.

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On September 15th of last year, this

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board did see this for conceptual design

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review. At that time, you commended the

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applicant for their simple forms as well

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as their materials palette which you all

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believed was in strong alignment with

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the residential design guidelines.

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However, there were a couple matters

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that you wanted to see back here at the

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formal design review phase and which

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will be going over today. Um, the first

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request uh was that they contact

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surrounding neighbors and get some

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additional input um, and that any

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neighbor in output was integrated or

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considered in modifications to the

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design. Um, and the other request of

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that nature was that the story poles

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were erected for you as a board's

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review. Story poles were erected.

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Hopefully, everybody got a chance to go

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and see that. And I'll defer to the

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project team to give you guys a little

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bit more of an overview of what that

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neighborhood outreach looks like from

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their perspective. Um, from more plan

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based side, um, you also requested that

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they consider reducing the potential

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site grading by minimizing expansive lot

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areas and retaining more of the existing

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site topography as well as reducing the

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size of the proposed two-story tall

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window elements at the front and rear of

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the residence to break down light

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emission a little bit more.

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On this slide, we can see, um, the

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difference between what was proposed at

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conceptual design review and what's

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00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,120
being proposed at formal design review

561
00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,040
relative to those two-story window

562
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,400
elements. Um, the applicant has reduced

563
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,080
the width of the two-story tall windows

564
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,800
on the south wall from 18 ft wide to 8

565
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,280
ft 4 in

566
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,280
and on the north wall it's gone from 9

567
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600
ft 9 in original proposed to 7 ft

568
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,480
3 in wide.

569
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,680
Let me know if you need a second longer

570
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,600
to look at this, but it's also

571
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840
in the plans.

572
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,040
As it pertains to the grading comments,

573
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,880
we did receive a comprehensive grading

574
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,760
plan in conjunction with the formal

575
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,960
design review providing a little bit

576
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,800
more detail on the actual conditions

577
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,120
that are being proposed

578
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,240
on the site. The applicant has pointed

579
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,640
out that a large portion of the grading

580
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,200
for expansive flat areas actually

581
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,400
utilized existing flat portions of the

582
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,080
property. So areas such as the lawn

583
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,160
which were originally a bit of a concern

584
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,280
from the board's perspective when you

585
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,840
look at the grading plan, you can see

586
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,200
that the grades are relatively

587
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,360
identical, that there's been very little

588
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,760
change in the topography and that it's

589
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,480
relatively like for like for what they

590
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,960
have out on site. They're kind of

591
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,000
imploring those existing footprints to

592
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,640
take advantage of that for those

593
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,120
flattened areas of topography.

594
00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:16,400
In addition, they've postulated the

595
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,280
house really close

596
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,720
to the existing development footprints

597
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,560
which helps minimize

598
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,440
grading further relative site conditions

599
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,720
and the majority of the site grading

600
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,600
is in fact concentrated around the new

601
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,800
driveway cuts and areas within and

602
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720
directly adjacent to the proposed site

603
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,680
improvements.

604
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,280
As it pertains to the comments, we

605
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,200
ask that you analyze in a little bit of

606
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,880
detail to see if they've sufficiently

607
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,840
addressed your concerns relative to the

608
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,440
site glazing as well as the site

609
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,520
grading. As a quick reminder, they are

610
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440
seeking a grading exception for this,

611
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,960
but that will be heard with the planning

612
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,320
commission to determine if all findings

613
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,960
necessary for granting of a grading

614
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,600
exception have been met.

615
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Members of the project team are required

616
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,760
um um

617
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,880
are are here in person if you have any

618
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,160
outstanding questions. I know we have a

619
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,120
member of the architectural team um and

620
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:11,960
we also have the project civil engineer

621
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,720
in person. Um so they should be able to

622
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,440
provide guidance on both the grading

623
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,560
side as well as the architectural side

624
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,960
angle. Um but we're happy to answer any

625
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,720
questions from staff.

626
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,760
Great. Thank you.

627
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,400
Does anyone on the board have questions

628
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,270
of the building?

629
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,320
This is a question about

630
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,470
Yes.

631
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,091
Mhm.

632
00:23:38,091 --> 00:23:49,870
>> [clears throat]

633
00:23:49,880 --> 00:24:02,550
» Mhm.

634
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,280
Yeah, I can show you the proximity on

635
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,640
the actual um grading plans if that

636
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,640
would be helpful and then um I think as

637
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840
it pertains to questions regarding their

638
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040
relocation, um I'd be happy to have the

639
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,040
civil engineer engage on that uh during

640
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,000
the applicant's presentation, but let me

641
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,720
pull up the site plans for you to get a

642
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,960
good look at where we're getting

643
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,630
relocated here.

644
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,320
Thanks for your patience. This is

645
00:24:31,320 --> 00:25:00,190
loading at its very own pace.

646
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,040
» Um, so here we can see

647
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,680
relatively

648
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,240
uh

649
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240
close alignment between

650
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440
the existing driveway, which you see

651
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,640
kind of grayed out down here. They kind

652
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,360
of hit points of intersection through

653
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:17,720
this main segment. Um, but we have the

654
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760
new driveway entrance cut over here. And

655
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,640
if we um follow along, see that we're uh

656
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,360
within the canopy of some of these

657
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,960
existing significant trees, in which uh

658
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,840
tree protection measures are typically

659
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,680
required in conjunction with the um

660
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,400
building permit submittals. So, we'll

661
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,920
have some tree protection parameters uh

662
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,880
integrated at that time. Um,

663
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,480
but a lot of their routing is um

664
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520
trying to accommodate cuts around a

665
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,360
relatively vegetated part of the

666
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,200
property. And uh I think that their

667
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,880
civil engineering team will be able to

668
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,480
provide us with some guidance as to why

669
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,230
they're doing routing in greater detail.

670
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,200
What it

671
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,920
seems to me from just looking at it that

672
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,320
Oh, it seems to me that just looking at

673
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,360
it that it was

674
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,680
instead of avoiding all these trees, it

675
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,600
was pretty much running up right up

676
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,000
against them.

677
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
Uh where the current driveway

678
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,160
is, it was down there.

679
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Mhm.

680
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,760
It's just

681
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,440
strange.

682
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,280
And I'm I'm thinking you also the main

683
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,920
driveway and

684
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800
um one thing sides of the site wall also

685
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,280
be on

686
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Yeah, so we had um variable site wall

687
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,920
heights between 4 and 6 ft shown on the

688
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000
elevation drawings. So, let me pull that

689
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:50,830
up for us real quick to look at.

690
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Yes, they're having a um

691
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,440
variable height along the length of

692
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,440
those landscaping walls. The retaining

693
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,760
walls are defined on the grading plans

694
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,520
with the landscape walls are between 4

695
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
and 6 ft variably on the property, but

696
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,000
we can most definitely define the exact

697
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,920
height at that location if that is

698
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,190
prudent.

699
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,080
Relative to the code implications, kind

700
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,840
of 4 to 6 ft height has relatively

701
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,240
identical setback requirements and

702
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,960
things of that nature um

703
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,200
for our fencing and gate section. So,

704
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,720
that shouldn't impact impact site

705
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,640
compliance when it ranges between 4 and

706
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,600
6 ft.

707
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,600
And would [clears throat] it would it

708
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,280
assist the neighbors in trying to block

709
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,640
out the car lights as they go around? I

710
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:37,960
don't know exactly where the height

711
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,840
variances are, but Mhm. Yeah, you could

712
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,960
request that they specify it to that

713
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,760
maximum 6 ft and then we'll just do the

714
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,480
double check for compliance on that as

715
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,600
well. Mhm. Would you mind going back to

716
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,320
the windows show before and after

717
00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:09,510
normal?

718
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,040
Here's the comparison point between what

719
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,800
was proposed at the time of CDR and

720
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,280
what's being proposed at the time of

721
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,200
FDR. Um the

722
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,480
windows that were kind of expressly

723
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,680
pointed out by the board during CDR and

724
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,520
FDR were this window right here and this

725
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,880
window right here.

726
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:38,990
These are corresponding reductions.

727
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,710
Got it.

728
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,640
I'm not seeing a difference on

729
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,560
north elevation. Oh,

730
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,160
am I missing it? Just the width of the

731
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,120
window?

732
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,720
The tall window is narrow.

733
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160
>> Dimension change is um

734
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,040
a little harder to see relative to the

735
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,440
scale. It's 9.9 to 7.3 difference. So,

736
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,000
we have a couple feet of difference

737
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,800
there, but

738
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,120
>> see that one.

739
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:07,840
I said it was a window.

740
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,120
>> On elevation might not scale as easily

741
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,455
visually. Got it.

742
00:29:13,455 --> 00:29:15,040
>> [clears throat]

743
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,600
>> You're missing windows on the

744
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,440
top and bottom on the south.

745
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,630
Yes, on the south.

746
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,120
And you have another one?

747
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,840
Okay. Any other questions?

748
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,480
I have a couple.

749
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,080
I'm [clears throat] going back to the

750
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,760
vegetation. Do we have objective

751
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,680
standards around vegetation management

752
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,440
and blocking

753
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,920
light from one property to another?

754
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,920
We have a component of the residential

755
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,960
design guidelines that speaks to

756
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,840
landscaping design. It generally

757
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,040
discourages creating things such as like

758
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,880
dense green walls along property lines

759
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,840
given that it looks less natural, but

760
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,440
Stacy can correct me if I'm wrong that

761
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,080
typically

762
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,400
screening via landscaping is a secondary

763
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360
effort for light emissions in the event

764
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,200
that, you know,

765
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,960
conditions change.

766
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,240
Plants aren't permanent. Um

767
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,000
so, they're they're not typically

768
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,800
primary approach to reduce light

769
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520
emissions given that they are

770
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,680
plants to use and can change through

771
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,640
time.

772
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,960
And that logically makes sense.

773
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,040
And then

774
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,240
do do we have a

775
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Since we brought up grading, um how much

776
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,520
did they reduce the grading amount on

777
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,000
the previous iteration of plans?

778
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Um

779
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,640
off the top of my head, I don't recall

780
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640
if we had a comprehensive grading plan

781
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280
in conjunction with CDR because it's not

782
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,720
a requirement. Um at the time of CDR,

783
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,720
they had indicated to staff verbally

784
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,080
that they were going to likely be

785
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,400
pursuing a grading exception,

786
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,400
um which was kind of our basis for that,

787
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,880
but uh correct me if I'm wrong, project

788
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,360
team, I don't believe that we had your

789
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,070
comprehensive grading plan at that time.

790
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,560
And one more question. Can you remind me

791
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,160
on what the findings for a grading

792
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,880
exception are?

793
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,920
Yeah, I can pull up this for us.

794
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,920
>> Or you can just give me the section

795
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,760
number so I can look it up. Well,

796
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,840
actually, I guess everybody would

797
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,560
benefit.

798
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,240
It's 151

799
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,320
22,

800
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920
I believe. Let me double-check that real

801
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:21,110
quick.

802
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Yes, 151 22. Let me grab you the

803
00:31:23,760 --> 00:32:04,070
subsection.

804
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Here's the three findings associated

805
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,280
with the grading exception.

806
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,840
So, for your review, if you want to

807
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,360
review that separately, it'll be 151 22,

808
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,440
um subsection B6.

809
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,710
Thank you.

810
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,840
It's one other question. When they were

811
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,440
doing the calculation of um

812
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
hardscape, it included 1,300

813
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,440
or of overall coverage, it included

814
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,880
1,300 ft of turf, and the turf is being

815
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920
removed, and that helps to reduce the

816
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,160
number, and it seemed kind of like that.

817
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,240
It's counted as hardscape as as overall

818
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,840
coverage, I should say. Sorry. Yeah,

819
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,200
artificial turf contributes towards our

820
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,960
town's definition of paved area and

821
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,360
surface coverage. If it's natural grass,

822
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,480
it won't contribute towards that

823
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,760
definition. Um only if it's artificial

824
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,230
turf.

825
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,310
Thank you.

826
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,550
Any other questions?

827
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,400
Um

828
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,880
as it pertains to the desk item,

829
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,680
commenting on uh

830
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,880
vehicle headlights, could you identify

831
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,000
on the plan roughly where

832
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,750
you believe that area is to be? Yeah.

833
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,520
Is this the parking area at the top of

834
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:34,430
the up of the drive?

835
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:48,750
Good question.

836
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880
My presumption, um based on the fact

837
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,240
that they're speaking about retaining

838
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,280
the existing tree in conjunction, would

839
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,320
be this particular parking locality

840
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,400
right here uh as this is an existing

841
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,440
tree directly adjacent to those proposed

842
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,200
parking spaces, and

843
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,200
um

844
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,480
so I believe that these are probably the

845
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
three subject parking locations that

846
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,159
they're looking at, but um likely these

847
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:11,879
two are the most pressing given that

848
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:13,320
they identified retention of that

849
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,520
existing tree directly adjacent to the

850
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,470
area.

851
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,960
See it right here. These are the site

852
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,430
landscaping walls.

853
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,159
And can we see where the six oaks that

854
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,030
are being removed are

855
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,919
So, you can see um

856
00:34:38,919 --> 00:34:40,560
an assortment of the trees proposed for

857
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,000
removal

858
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,639
um marked in red X's throughout the

859
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,600
site. So, we have

860
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,840
um

861
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,280
four tree removals right here.

862
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,360
Um Japanese persimmon up here, and then

863
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,640
we have a dish tree well up here um

864
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,800
adjacent to the proposed pool. And then,

865
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080
thank you.

866
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Um but that's uh Oh, sorry. And here we

867
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,320
are inside these uh proposed footprint

868
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,790
of the main residence.

869
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,120
And then, if we could go back one more

870
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,360
time to the new driveway

871
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000
where the story poles are set up, it

872
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,360
looks like it would go directly into

873
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,960
those two beautiful trees that are

874
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,880
there.

875
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480
Is that not the case? Because it sure

876
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,240
looks like, unless it's going to take a

877
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,480
drastic turn,

878
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,840
I mean, maybe we can get to that with

879
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,359
the guys. Thanks.

880
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:45,510
>> [clears throat]

881
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
» So, you can see here, this is one of the

882
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,640
larger trees. There's this one here.

883
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Those are the probably two closest

884
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,200
trees.

885
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,480
And then, there's a couple that are over

886
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,000
in this area.

887
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Um and so, they will have to have an

888
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,680
arborist uh

889
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,160
on site for the grading when they're

890
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,160
under the drip line of the trees.

891
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,280
Uh so, they ensure

892
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,360
roots are hand cut when they're needed

893
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,040
to be cut and certain uh

894
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,400
certain requirements like that need to

895
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,200
be followed. Um and then, yes, the

896
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,680
applicant's team can probably best speak

897
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,520
to

898
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,555
the

899
00:36:18,555 --> 00:36:18,720
>> [clears throat]

900
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,000
>> how they plan to protect those trees.

901
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,640
And is there any potential when they're

902
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,880
looking at running the new the that they

903
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,720
could make it closer to the old one to

904
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,720
avoid some of the soil removal and

905
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,600
I mean something that they yes talked to

906
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600
the applicant about the decision they

907
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,720
were probably trying to get a little bit

908
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,320
further away from

909
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,320
the

910
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,720
property on this side um but the

911
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:48,070
applicant can best speak to that.

912
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,640
There's I mean there's another cluster

913
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,000
here.

914
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
Um

915
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,960
so you'll see all these kind of

916
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,600
you know these kind of outlines are

917
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,680
where like the the rough kind of drip

918
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,080
line is showing right? So they're kind

919
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,760
of overlapping.

920
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,120
From the

921
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,760
>> Looks like the canopy of the first one

922
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560
would definitely be harmed by whatever's

923
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,840
going to go on when they're trying to

924
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,955
dig there.

925
00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:13,510
>> [clears throat]

926
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,120
» Maybe we can save these questions for

927
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,120
the applicant. Good idea.

928
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,440
direct response

929
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,790
Otherwise we're all assuming. Um

930
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Yeah, no no specific questions for me.

931
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,120
Um if that's it.

932
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,880
That was the staff presentation.

933
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,270
Um

934
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,720
So at this point we'd like to invite the

935
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,680
applicant uh to make a presentation if

936
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,910
you wish.

937
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,080
Good afternoon. Ken Winstead. Oh this is

938
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,670
tough.

939
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Uh I'm the architect for 170 Fox Hollow.

940
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Um

941
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,240
I'll take your your your comments in

942
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,760
order that I heard them. The first one

943
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,040
is we did reach out to the neighbors.

944
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Sent them the plans. We only heard from

945
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,080
the neighbors to the south.

946
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,720
Um and their concerns were to reduce the

947
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:09,720
size of that window facing south. So

948
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:10,560
when you were looking at those

949
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,880
elevations, the north window was kind of

950
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,840
a a result proportionally for us for

951
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,160
reducing the southern window. So the

952
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,360
southern window did get reduced by half.

953
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,280
And I believe that the neighbors are

954
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,240
okay with that reduction.

955
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,360
Um

956
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480
these neighbors also requested that we

957
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,840
add some kind of screening for the

958
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,200
headlights.

959
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,000
And we are completely open to whatever

960
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,200
the board recommends. We're looking at

961
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
the the standards that are or the

962
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,600
residential guidelines.

963
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,760
Without the dense screening and and site

964
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,920
walls um within the setback, we thought

965
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,560
we would leave it to the owners to work

966
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,480
it out between themselves.

967
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,280
Um but looking for guidance from you on

968
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:50,480
that.

969
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,760
Um

970
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,920
as far as the driveway goes,

971
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,720
our our clients would the the the

972
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,280
current gate is very close to the

973
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,880
southern neighbor

974
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,600
and it's a straight shot up to the

975
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,160
driveway. And this is more just kind of

976
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,360
this idea of a sinuous driveway going up

977
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,720
to the arrival.

978
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,440
Um our our clients love those oak trees,

979
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,560
so they do not want to disturb them. And

980
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,920
I think you're bringing up great points.

981
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,120
They're not going to proceed with this

982
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,600
if the arborist

983
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,880
um can't support what we're doing.

984
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,080
Um so this is really more of an

985
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,800
aesthetic um driveway move so that

986
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,520
they're not, you know, just straight up

987
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,320
to the to the entry right when you're uh

988
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,240
entering the gate.

989
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,400
Um

990
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,240
I reviewed the story poles uh

991
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:35,960
I guess a couple weeks ago. We haven't

992
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,640
heard any response from neighbors based

993
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,360
on those story poles.

994
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,560
And the I think the bigger comment about

995
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,320
grading

996
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,000
is we still have to go to planning

997
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,360
commission. The the way I think of the

998
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,960
grading on this property is is all of

999
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,760
the natural topography is still the

1000
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,640
natural topography.

1001
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,760
Um the oak woodland to the east of the

1002
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,120
house is is the one that we really want

1003
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,480
to preserve and keep natural.

1004
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,160
We're we're building this house on the

1005
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,720
existing flat part of the site. We've

1006
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,600
moved the main part of the house a bit

1007
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,240
east and therefore we've kind of have

1008
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,440
the existing house as a pit because it's

1009
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,560
got a basement and we're trying to bring

1010
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,840
the grade up to the natural lawn that

1011
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,440
used to be there before this current

1012
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,880
house was built.

1013
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,080
So, I'd say the lion's share of the

1014
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,920
grading is because we're filling in that

1015
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,480
lawn. It's not like we're reshaping the

1016
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,200
topography. So,

1017
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,960
in the spirit of of of the the grading

1018
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,600
guidelines, I would think we're adhering

1019
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,560
to that because we're not changing the

1020
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,560
natural topography of the site.

1021
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
So, happy to answer questions.

1022
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Thanks.

1023
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,240
Uh just have questions with the app.

1024
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,880
So, looking at that grading table, there

1025
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,240
was about 2,400 cubic yards labeled the

1026
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,280
basement. You're You're saying that

1027
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,760
that's for the sides of the basement and

1028
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,480
not to cut

1029
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,720
or expand the basement? Uh I you know,

1030
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,400
Jim Toby from Liam Brazeel is here to

1031
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,880
talk about all of the specifics on what

1032
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,480
It's It's kind of spread throughout the

1033
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,760
site, but to fill in that lawn area is

1034
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,200
where the lion's share of this grading

1035
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,920
is going. Kind of right where the You

1036
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,760
see where the existing house is dotted?

1037
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080
That's a lot of that is being lifted up.

1038
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,200
So, it's not like we're reshaping the topography of the surrounding areas.

1039
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:25,950
Kind of creating this level courtyard.

1040
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,680
Given how much the house is moving east

1041
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,960
to a new structure, it's east. That's

1042
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,400
today there's a substantial dip for the

1043
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,320
drive that goes down.

1044
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Um

1045
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,640
that's

1046
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560
just a

1047
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,000
perception is there's a fair amount of

1048
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,080
fill that needs to go in there to

1049
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Yeah, I guess my my my not my argument,

1050
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,040
but I I feel like in terms of altering

1051
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600
the natural land forms, it's all of this

1052
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,120
is really happening in the level part of

1053
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
the site. That existing driveway

1054
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,720
wraps around the front of the house more

1055
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,960
or less where we're putting the new

1056
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,080
house.

1057
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,350
Right.

1058
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,280
So, did is are you interpreting then

1059
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,840
where that current drive dips down? Is

1060
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,320
that the new grade that

1061
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,840
>> Oh, sorry. You're talking about to go in

1062
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,600
the garage that

1063
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,240
>> That where where the curve

1064
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,080
>> Yeah, that is new. That is a new uh way

1065
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,200
for us to get to a below grade garage.

1066
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,240
So, there is some grading going on there

1067
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:23,600
for sure.

1068
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,520
So,

1069
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,640
yeah, on the absolute right there is a

1070
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,640
slope.

1071
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Maybe Jim wants to sort of summarize

1072
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,640
like all of what's All the soil that's

1073
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,680
moving around. Sure. Clarifying question

1074
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,920
for Sage. Does the cut for basements

1075
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,240
count towards a grading total for a

1076
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,800
site?

1077
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,200
No, what you'll see is on page 12 of

1078
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,160
this staff report, there is a grading

1079
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,560
table and the areas in bold are what

1080
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,600
counts towards the grading exception.

1081
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,360
>> Thank you. Thank you for recalibrating

1082
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,200
what I should be concerned with.

1083
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,360
Yeah, so to give you guys a little

1084
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,920
summary here. Yes, there is a

1085
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,600
significant amount of grading that's

1086
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800
being taken care of with the basement.

1087
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Um all of that is for the most part

1088
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,720
being hauled away. Um the grading on

1089
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,240
site we're getting very close to

1090
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,760
balancing and that's typically what

1091
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,200
Woodside wants to see. Um we are over

1092
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,360
the 1,500 cubic yards, but that's mainly

1093
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,800
because we're doing cut plus fill.

1094
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,200
And um right now we're proposing about

1095
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,320
1,360 yards of cut and about 1,200 of

1096
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,320
fill.

1097
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,320
So, we are getting close to to balancing

1098
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,680
on the site, but because of the

1099
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,040
topography and trying to keep the

1100
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,280
natural topography and the trees and

1101
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,320
everything, we're not going to we're we have a small amount of about,

1102
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,520
you know, 150, 160 yards that we're not

1103
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
anticipating balancing the site grading,

1104
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
which is the typical way Woodside wants

1105
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,880
to see it. Um but you could see here by

1106
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,400
looking at some of the dirt designs that

1107
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,000
we have, specifically even the driveway

1108
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,680
that's going down to the lower garage,

1109
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,520
that is literally a vertical wall that's

1110
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,520
not going to be the the little section

1111
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,000
that goes down to the lower section is

1112
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,840
being cut, but we're not proposing to do

1113
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,520
any grading around it. In other words,

1114
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,080
we're not grading down.

1115
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,840
It's literally just a way to get down

1116
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,440
below. It's not going to be filling or changing the contours around that

1117
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,200
area. So, as you're driving in and

1118
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,600
what's going on in front of the house is

1119
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,520
virtually the same as what's there now.

1120
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,720
We are doing some grading in the back

1121
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,360
with the back patio, but for the most

1122
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,160
part, everything in the front is kind of

1123
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440
staying exactly the same as what we have

1124
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,550
right now.

1125
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,830
That's helpful.

1126
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,320
Sorry, what?

1127
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800
It's really just the new cut for the

1128
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,720
driveway. Yeah, so the new driveway is

1129
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:30,800
going to be cutting down. You have to

1130
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,040
put a section in there of, you know, to

1131
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,880
get base rock down there and the new

1132
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,000
asphalt or whatever final material we

1133
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
end up putting on there. That takes a

1134
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,120
good section out of, you know, what we

1135
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,520
have to grade for to get this to work.

1136
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,680
So, that gets counted as that grading

1137
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,960
number even though the final grade is

1138
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,760
kind of the same as what it was before.

1139
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
We have to provide, you know, a section

1140
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,480
for that driveway to be at fire trucks

1141
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,040
and cars and delivery vehicles and

1142
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,030
everything up there.

1143
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,070
Okay.

1144
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Any other questions for uh Mr. or the

1145
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,790
applicant?

1146
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,110
Okay. No.

1147
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,240
One question.

1148
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,720
The concern about

1149
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,040
the light on children from driving in

1150
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,400
and out,

1151
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,160
is that a existing concern with the way

1152
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,080
the property is currently?

1153
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Or with the new development, is it would

1154
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,000
it become worse for the part Are you

1155
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,800
talking about the headlight issue?

1156
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,800
>> issue, is That is a new issue because

1157
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,640
the cars currently don't park directly

1158
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,640
at the property. The new arrangement of

1159
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,120
parking spaces is kind of directed

1160
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,840
specifically at a particular room that

1161
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,240
the neighbors have brought up. So, we're

1162
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,760
trying to shield that. It's not like we

1163
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,120
don't want to shield it. It's just

1164
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,720
looking for guidance. Can we hedge it?

1165
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,120
Can we put a wall?

1166
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,760
The finished grade of that area will be

1167
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,120
a basically identical

1168
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,640
>> identical.

1169
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,400
>> It is identical.

1170
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,720
>> Yeah. Oh, in theory today if a car were

1171
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:01,840
turning around on

1172
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,280
>> It would still happen the same

1173
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,600
condition. As Julian as Julian is

1174
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,720
showing you right here, you can see

1175
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,360
where the car comes in. We're

1176
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,840
maintaining the tree right there, but

1177
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,520
we're allowing parking on either side of

1178
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,920
it. That were if wall Yeah, cars are

1179
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,600
parking directly towards the neighbor

1180
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,880
right there. And so that's where we're

1181
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,990
posing a wall.

1182
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200
And one last one, on the lighting plan,

1183
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,200
when looking at the H2 fixture, which

1184
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,640
looks to be a tree uplight potentially,

1185
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,480
and I can't differentiate the symbols on

1186
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,270
the plan. Are there a lot of them?

1187
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,760
No uplights. Uh they're

1188
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120
It's your H2.

1189
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,200
H L D Well,

1190
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Ah.

1191
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,600
Oh, it's just the way it's designed.

1192
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Well, it's a tree light, basically,

1193
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,470
right?

1194
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Yeah, in the actual lighting legend,

1195
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
they've specified that they're going to

1196
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,240
be mounted directly downlit, um and in

1197
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,040
earlier phases, I believe we actually

1198
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,440
discussed

1199
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,320
>> trellises and things like that, not to

1200
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:15,070
go up to trees.

1201
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,280
We should have flipped that picture

1202
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:25,390
over.

1203
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,320
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the

1204
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,000
residential guidelines specify no

1205
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,840
uplighting. Yeah, so we'd definitely

1206
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,400
make sure there's no uplighting,

1207
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,120
uh

1208
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,640
no uplighting, and then no uh lights in

1209
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,440
trees that are downlit. And then um with

1210
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,560
the up and seeing Yeah, so this is a

1211
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,440
spec sheet, and it's showing that it's

1212
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,080
on an angle, but those are uh these are

1213
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,840
intended for the trellis. So, it's

1214
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,400
pretty common that you have those in the

1215
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
trellis that can maneuver a little bit,

1216
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,200
but it's the specification cut sheet

1217
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,360
that kind of depicts it like this.

1218
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,880
Install the point down.

1219
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,680
Thank you.

1220
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,440
Good. Any other questions?

1221
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,920
Done.

1222
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Okay.

1223
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,280
Um thank you. Thank you.

1224
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,750
Um

1225
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,240
So, with that, open up

1226
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,000
public hearing.

1227
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Does anyone in the room or anyone online

1228
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,320
who wishes to make a comment on this

1229
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,760
project?

1230
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,320
As a reminder for those online, please

1231
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,800
use the raise hand feature if you'd like

1232
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,590
to make a comment.

1233
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,280
I see no one in the room. And there are

1234
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,160
no raised hands.

1235
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,880
Well, that close public comment um and

1236
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,750
open up to board deliberation.

1237
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,950
Who'd like to kick us off?

1238
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,760
Me? All right.

1239
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,200
Um

1240
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Yeah, I mean, no significant changes uh

1241
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,000
design-wise from the material

1242
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,400
perspective or massing of that since the

1243
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,440
uh

1244
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,720
conceptual design review. Um with

1245
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:02,880
regards to feedback provided at CDR with

1246
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,120
regards to window sizes, I think it's um

1247
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,520
adequate, the change that's been made.

1248
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,360
Um I think any any reduction in that

1249
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,720
substantial glazing is an improvement.

1250
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,840
Um

1251
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,910
I think the

1252
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,480
very, very specific details and plan for

1253
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,600
grading for planning commission would be

1254
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:23,760
useful

1255
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,680
um to help um

1256
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,560
arrive at a conclusion and a finding. Um

1257
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,240
I think the other thing as it pertains

1258
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,720
to the desk item that came in about tree

1259
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,600
protection, I have just uh personal

1260
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,120
note, I think tree protection as

1261
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,920
specified for my own project was

1262
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,760
inadequate in scale and resulted in the

1263
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,000
loss of a

1264
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,520
coastal oak that was 150 years old. So,

1265
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,640
I echo the neighbor who's saying,

1266
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,280
"Please, please, please make sure your

1267
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,480
tree protection is above and beyond what

1268
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,640
the what is required.

1269
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Um

1270
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,840
Other than that, no, I think um I think

1271
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,320
all my concerns from CDR have been met.

1272
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,840
Could we potentially put some sort of a

1273
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,920
tree grove in near to help the neighbor

1274
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,520
with the light and get that in the

1275
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,510
record, so to speak?

1276
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,800
Well, I mean, if that can be solved with

1277
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,790
a solid wall, I think

1278
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,920
I'm not sure.

1279
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,680
Okay. I thought I heard them say that

1280
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,630
they wanted to propose a wall.

1281
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,800
I I do find that um especially since

1282
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,800
you're not going to have much

1283
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,720
construction on the other 80 new lot

1284
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,560
property.

1285
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,560
That side of the property that

1286
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,240
you guys were able to work with the

1287
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,640
neighbors down instead of waiting till

1288
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,440
the thing

1289
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,800
um that gets stated. So, certainly, you

1290
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,640
know, you could pick whatever tree that

1291
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,360
you like, but you know, a few oaks and

1292
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,280
screen quite a bit, and if they were

1293
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,880
planted now, and then later,

1294
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,840
by the time you finish, they might not

1295
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,240
be able to see that much of the project.

1296
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,160
So, um so, at least along that left of

1297
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:08,350
the neighbor's fence,

1298
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,430
No questions or concerns for me. Okay.

1299
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Just to reiterate

1300
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,320
that I feel um

1301
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Oh, just to reiterate, I I I feel

1302
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,360
concerned about the trees on the new

1303
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,840
driveway. Um and that if the planning

1304
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,880
commission can take a very close look at

1305
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,080
that, because it it did seem like you

1306
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,920
had some drainage coming down with

1307
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,680
rocks. So, are you going to have to

1308
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,920
rework that to work the driveway in? I'm

1309
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,440
just not sure how that's all going to

1310
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,760
come together. Um

1311
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,040
that um just to have planning take an

1312
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,000
extra close look at protecting those

1313
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,640
trees.

1314
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,360
What specifically would planning

1315
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,000
commission

1316
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,160
take into consideration there

1317
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,280
with that feedback? We really rely on

1318
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,160
the arborist reports.

1319
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,080
Um they are the ones who would provide

1320
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,640
recommendations

1321
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:08,430
and those are what should be followed.

1322
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,680
So, this

1323
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,640
I'm confused.

1324
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,840
You have a desk on them saying that

1325
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,160
their auto court has a wall proposed,

1326
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,120
but the height wasn't specified. So, is

1327
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,560
there a wall or is there not a wall?

1328
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,920
There is a wall currently proposed. Um

1329
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,600
they've shown that their landscaping

1330
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,040
walls uh for their elevation that they

1331
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,520
provided for landscaping walls are

1332
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,720
ranging in elevation between 4 and 6 ft

1333
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:33,400
throughout the property. Um and they've

1334
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,440
specified the actual elevations of their

1335
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,240
retaining walls on property. Um however,

1336
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:46,040
they've put 4 to 6 ft um on the actual

1337
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,640
elevation drawing for those landscaping

1338
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,400
walls, which from a code implication is

1339
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,440
looked at kind of identically, but if

1340
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,240
you want us to call out point-on-point

1341
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,640
what that elevation is for that

1342
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,600
landscaping wall, even though

1343
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000
um the code implications are the same, I

1344
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,720
just they probably just didn't want to

1345
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:06,200
congest plans if I presume, but um

1346
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,040
uh if you want like a specification of

1347
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,400
that exact height and location.

1348
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,760
And then we can

1349
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,680
uh if the board like can add a condition

1350
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,120
that just requires it to be 6 ft tall.

1351
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,430
That's good.

1352
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,480
Um yeah, 6 ft seems excessive for

1353
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,760
protecting against car headlights.

1354
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,280
>> It could be it could be lower. I guess

1355
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,760
you know, you could say 6 ft is the 6 ft

1356
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
is the maximum it could be by code.

1357
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,360
Okay.

1358
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,110
I think a 4 ft wall is fine.

1359
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,840
I'm going to be prescriptive. It looked

1360
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,080
like they were tapered. Mhm. Okay.

1361
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,400
All right. Uh Sage, have you uh So,

1362
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,120
yeah, so this is a formal design review.

1363
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,640
Um and so this is similar to the last

1364
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,960
item in which

1365
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,640
um

1366
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,880
this one though will be going to the

1367
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,880
planning commission for final action.

1368
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,120
So, there's a number of recommended

1369
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,840
conditions of approval.

1370
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,520
Um

1371
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,320
I haven't heard anything that would

1372
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,640
necessarily require a change in that uh

1373
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,040
with the last comments here

1374
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,160
noting that the wall between 4 and 6 ft

1375
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,320
should be sufficient, which is what

1376
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,160
they're noting on their plans. So, if

1377
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,680
the board is finds that no further

1378
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,040
changes are necessary, um there can be a

1379
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,920
motion to uh recommend approval of the

1380
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,640
project subject to the conditions of

1381
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,440
approval in the staff report.

1382
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,560
Just

1383
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,320
uh

1384
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,000
I'd like to hear an opinion from the

1385
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,880
board with regard to the changes in the

1386
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,880
window. That was the most significant

1387
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,920
change, so do you feel it's been

1388
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,880
satisfied, too?

1389
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,790
Yep. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

1390
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,070
Okay.

1391
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,102
It was a cautious nod. So,

1392
00:54:50,102 --> 00:54:50,480
>> [laughter]

1393
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,120
>> It's the cautious guy. The architect's

1394
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,240
smiling. Um

1395
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,120
good. So, um with that summary, [snorts]

1396
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,080
uh a motion to approve

1397
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,440
um

1398
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,513
satisfying all the previous

1399
00:55:04,513 --> 00:55:05,040
>> [snorts]

1400
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,360
>> uh previously given feedback and that

1401
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,240
reinforcing points about the

1402
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:12,760
uh wall for

1403
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,160
protection against headlights car

1404
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,320
headlights in that parking area

1405
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,800
specifically.

1406
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,510
Um

1407
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,320
and then I guess next step is Arbor's

1408
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,480
report and then to the planning

1409
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,080
commission.

1410
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,040
Good. Sounds good.

1411
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,200
>> So, that's the motion.

1412
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:27,840
You make it.

1413
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:28,640
>> I guess I did.

1414
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,800
>> I second it.

1415
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Chair Lindsey? Yes. Vice Chair Kamrar?

1416
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,360
Yes. Member DelGavio? Yes. Member

1417
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,240
Middleman? Yes. Member Sullivan? Yes.

1418
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:51,870
Thank you.

1419
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:58,550
Oh, okay.

1420
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,520
So, moving on to this is item four and

1421
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,240
member D'Amelio is recused. Are you

1422
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,990
going to return for

1423
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,243
No, it's okay. Early early information.

1424
00:56:15,253 --> 00:56:17,280
» [laughter]

1425
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,400
» All right.

1426
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,200
Good night.

1427
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,413
>> Thank you, Pat.

1428
00:56:24,423 --> 00:56:25,920
» [laughter]

1429
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,040
>> Uh so, item four, 115 Romero Road. Okay,

1430
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,040
this is the last time you have to hear

1431
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:30,840
me talk tonight.

1432
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,284
>> Gillian's up again.

1433
00:56:32,284 --> 00:56:33,160
>> [laughter]

1434
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,360
>> All right. Um we're now going to review

1435
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,000
a quick conceptual design review

1436
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,120
application for proposal to partially

1437
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,360
demolish an existing residence and

1438
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,800
demolish an existing pool and to

1439
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,160
construct an addition to the

1440
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,160
single-family home including new

1441
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,240
trellises on the rear side, uh

1442
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:50,920
construction of two new accessory

1443
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,200
structures, relocation of a swimming

1444
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,240
pool and associated site improvements on

1445
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,120
a property located at 115 Romero Road.

1446
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,360
Um as of the start of this meeting,

1447
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,080
there are no desk items associated with

1448
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,320
this agenda item and we will determine

1449
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,520
if the project is exempt from or subject

1450
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,560
to CEQA during the formal design review

1451
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,640
phase of this project.

1452
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:13,960
Um [clears throat] the subject property

1453
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,920
is .93 acres and it's located on the

1454
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,200
corner of um Romero Road and Cañada

1455
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,960
Road. The site is currently developed as

1456
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,240
we can see here on the right side with a

1457
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,560
single-family residence, a pool, um a

1458
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,480
guest house, a driveway, sheds, and

1459
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,600
associated site improvements. The

1460
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,160
existing residence is located uh at the

1461
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,960
approximate center of the property with

1462
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,680
the existing pool site in northeast of

1463
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,320
the main residence.

1464
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,760
The site is minimally sloped with

1465
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,400
pockets of 35% slopes along the north

1466
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,200
side property line and throughout the

1467
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,360
southern half of the property.

1468
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,040
The site contains numerous significant

1469
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,480
trees on the peripheries of the

1470
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,960
property.

1471
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,680
The applicant has proposed a partial

1472
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,240
demolition, which we can see here

1473
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,480
little difficult to see on here, but

1474
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,200
it's x'd out elements

1475
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,520
on the areas adjacent to the main

1476
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,440
residence.

1477
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,320
They're pretty much getting a

1478
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,080
like-for-like rebuild right over them

1479
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,040
with a small addition,

1480
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,600
but

1481
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,880
this will continue to take place at the

1482
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,760
relative center of the property adjacent

1483
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,560
to that main home. And then in addition

1484
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,440
to those main residence additions, we

1485
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,000
have two new accessory structures, this

1486
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,920
new gym, which you see on the top of the

1487
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,760
plan set, as well as a new office

1488
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,960
structure, which we are seeing down

1489
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,920
closer to the bottom. The new swimming

1490
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,880
pool is in a close overlay net with the

1491
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,760
old swimming pool, and then it's a

1492
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
little bit hidden, but their new spa is

1493
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,840
right up here. And then they are all

1494
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,360
proposing relocation of an existing

1495
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,760
generator that exists on site.

1496
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,440
That's proposed right here adjacent to

1497
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,160
this new office space B.

1498
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,120
Um the project plans include removal of

1499
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,320
five trees within and directly adjacent

1500
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,680
to the

1501
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,320
was work. We can kind of see this

1502
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,600
cluster up here. Proposed removal as

1503
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,160
well as those directly adjacent to this

1504
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,080
new office structure. That's also

1505
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:14,840
proposed out. And the proposed project

1506
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,320
will retain the existing driveway

1507
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,160
entrance along Romero, and there's no

1508
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,280
modifications to the driveway proposed

1509
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,910
at this time.

1510
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Um

1511
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,320
quite a few elevations here that we need

1512
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,240
to look at to see where these proposed

1513
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,880
uh additions are taking place. So, let

1514
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,440
me know if you need me to stop at any

1515
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,840
point. We can look at them in a little

1516
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,200
bit of greater detail, but I'll just

1517
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,240
kind of thumb through while we're going.

1518
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,120
Um the applicant has proposed one-story

1519
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,600
additions to the main residence along

1520
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,040
the front and rear building facades. The

1521
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,360
additions to the main residence are

1522
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,960
proposed to match the architectural

1523
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,600
character of the existing home using

1524
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,320
similar roof lines, colors, and

1525
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,520
materials, and that will generate

1526
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,320
minimal impact to the existing main

1527
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,640
residence's appearance. The home will

1528
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,400
maintain its existing medium-pitched

1529
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,000
gable roof lines, but will include a new

1530
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,440
trellis, [snorts]

1531
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,800
um which we can see here, uh as well as

1532
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520
a new small cupola, which we can see

1533
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,200
here on this proposed elevation. It's

1534
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,440
going to bring the height up, but it's

1535
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720
not going to be a little story.

1536
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,680
Um the proposed main residence um

1537
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,720
will continue to use the existing color

1538
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,120
materials palette, which includes stucco

1539
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,920
walls, clay tiles, uh stained wood

1540
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,680
windows and doors, copper gutters, and

1541
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,760
copper chimney caps. The existing main

1542
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,560
residence uses a color and materials

1543
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,000
palette including shades of white and

1544
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,320
brown.

1545
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,080
We have two new accessory structures, as

1546
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,400
I mentioned, in conjunction with this

1547
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,320
project, both of which employ gable roof

1548
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,840
lines with moderate pitches and uh

1549
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,680
simple understated forms. The proposed

1550
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,480
accessory structure materials include

1551
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,240
stone exterior walls,

1552
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,640
um

1553
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,080
and wood windows and doors, clay roof

1554
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,080
tiles, and copper gutters, very similar

1555
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,680
to the existing main residence with the

1556
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,800
exception of the finishes on um the

1557
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,520
walls, which are meant to distinguish it

1558
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,920
from the existing home.

1559
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,200
Prior to formal design review, the

1560
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,160
applicant shall clearly call out all of

1561
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,280
their selected colors in conjunction

1562
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,600
with the accessory uh dwelling, sorry,

1563
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,120
the accessory structures.

1564
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,920
Um relatively quick one here, but we do

1565
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,080
have the project architect in person. If

1566
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,080
you uh

1567
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,600
would like to inquire with any further

1568
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,760
details, but otherwise happy to provide

1569
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,440
some guidance from staff perspective if

1570
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,760
you have any additional questions.

1571
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,120
Thank you.

1572
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,320
Uh any questions with staff at this

1573
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,520
point? Feel like I just did an

1574
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,200
optometrist exam. Existing to the

1575
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,720
proposed house is mainly that

1576
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,720
the 10 ft addition on top of the move

1577
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,480
and a little bit more uh unchored on the

1578
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,400
side in the front. Yeah, so if you can

1579
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,680
see here we have um they're they're kind

1580
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,640
of sporadically spread throughout the

1581
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,440
house. Um everything in this darker gray

1582
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,360
color shows you an area in which an

1583
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,920
addition is taking place in uh

1584
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,400
conjunction with this proposed scope of

1585
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,920
work. So there's a quite a few of them,

1586
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,400
but they are all relatively small in

1587
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,000
size, so

1588
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,360
minimal visual impact, but um if you

1589
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,800
want to see any specific elevation, see

1590
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,560
kind of this modifications, happy to

1591
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,960
pull them up. You can see like for

1592
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,440
example, this area um it's just getting

1593
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:20,680
finished with a new wall. It's an

1594
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,240
existing covered patio. Um on the front

1595
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,640
here we have a small covered patio

1596
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,960
addition that we can see um this is

1597
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,440
coming out with a new trellis in the

1598
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,320
back. So all are relatively small in

1599
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,840
footprint. There's just quite a few of

1600
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,960
them.

1601
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,630
Thank you.

1602
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,280
Remind me again why set side setback is

1603
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,760
21 ft?

1604
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,280
Oh, so that was um just a callout of the

1605
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,000
existing

1606
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,200
8 ft

1607
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,680
setback right there. Um but the setback

1608
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,200
for structures under 17 ft in this

1609
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,200
particular zoning designation is uh 20.

1610
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,560
ft? Mhm.

1611
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,480
And they

1612
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:04,320
This is less

1613
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,080
>> kind of on this

1614
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,150
uh right here.

1615
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,840
This is less of a project question, more

1616
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,480
of a process question. What triggered

1617
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,560
this to come in front of us? Yeah, so

1618
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,560
this falls in the boundaries of a town

1619
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,880
designated scenic corridor

1620
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,840
given that it's a long Kinyon Road which

1621
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,080
is a town designated scenic road. So

1622
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,200
projects in excess of a thousand square

1623
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,680
feet cumulatively will go to ASRB in

1624
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,400
this particular scenic corridor's

1625
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,750
designation.

1626
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,470
Okay, any other questions?

1627
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,933
Nope.

1628
01:03:43,933 --> 01:03:44,120
>> [clears throat]

1629
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,960
>> Yep. All right. That concludes uh staff

1630
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,240
presentation and invite the applicant

1631
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,720
make a presentation if you wish. Um I

1632
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,600
wasn't Or just ask answer questions.

1633
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,360
Yeah, if you have any specific questions

1634
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,360
I'd be happy to answer. Okay.

1635
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,240
But I think I think uh

1636
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,400
Jillian kind of laid out kind of the

1637
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,080
scope of work very well and so I have really nothing to add

1638
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,280
other than what she's presented.

1639
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,040
But happy to take any specific

1640
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,720
questions.

1641
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,320
I commend you for putting in the last

1642
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,120
floor tiles. I've never yet one of them

1643
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,440
involved in

1644
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,280
exceptionally well. You know about the

1645
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,600
Kinyon that have been double stewarded

1646
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,960
so we really appreciate that. So one

1647
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,760
question I've always had um

1648
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,320
I could pull it What How do you get up

1649
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,360
there? How do you clean the windows? How

1650
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:36,334
do you

1651
01:04:36,334 --> 01:04:37,000
>> [laughter]

1652
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,720
>> Just I was I've been wondering cuz I've

1653
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,520
seen two or three lately

1654
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:41,000
and I'm

1655
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,240
>> You have staff. I I I know it's a design

1656
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,040
element but um

1657
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,480
is it usable for anything?

1658
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,240
Oh well, it's it's designed because the

1659
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,120
house is rather dark in that in that

1660
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,960
area of the house and the architecture

1661
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,680
just kind of needs a

1662
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,360
an exclamation point in it. Yeah. I've

1663
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,840
always wondered what's inside of that.

1664
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,880
Oh. Oh, how do you get up there? Oh, a

1665
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,400
ladder. Ladder so it's really a skylight

1666
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,760
in there.

1667
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,920
Yeah, it's a skylight in a in a Yes, in

1668
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,400
a vertical

1669
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,750
Mhm.

1670
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,590
design element.

1671
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,640
Good.

1672
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,440
Okay.

1673
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:30,350
Thank you.

1674
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,280
Yeah, so my only observation is well,

1675
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,160
thank you for installing story poles.

1676
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Always immensely helpful in terms of

1677
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,960
appreciating the impact. Um not just for

1678
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,960
us, but of course people driving up and

1679
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:43,640
down the street. And as it relates to

1680
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,760
that, um one thing I noticed is that the

1681
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,800
office story poles of the roofline of

1682
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,560
the office are visible from the street.

1683
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,760
Um as you drive or walk down Romero.

1684
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,840
Um that's the one area I have some

1685
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,520
reservations about the impact that this

1686
01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:59,760
is going to have

1687
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,760
um on the existing neighbors on that

1688
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,680
street as they uh

1689
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,200
progress up and down. Um

1690
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,480
I think

1691
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,680
I yes, the structure is allowed to go

1692
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,720
where it is, but I think anything that

1693
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,200
could be done with regard to fencing or

1694
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,960
plants uh that would might further

1695
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,080
screen that it would be useful. Um I'm

1696
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,480
not suggesting we revisit placement of

1697
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,000
that. Um the one thing I couldn't

1698
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,320
appreciate on site is given the

1699
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,400
elevation of the office, which looks to

1700
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,800
be about 4 ft above the rest of the

1701
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,280
grade, how Wait, I couldn't see from the

1702
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,560
renderings quite how that was going to

1703
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,160
be resolved.

1704
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,560
Um I don't know if Jillian has a good

1705
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,600
illustration to help me understand that.

1706
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,240
I'm not really sure I'm following your

1707
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,160
question. So the the office structure,

1708
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,600
the new office structure sits about 4 ft

1709
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,840
above the rest The grade there is about

1710
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,920
4 ft above the rest of the grade.

1711
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,480
Yes. [clears throat] I just I don't know

1712
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,000
if you were planning on changing that in

1713
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,880
any way or you're just going to build on

1714
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,080
top of that. Well, I think the present

1715
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:05,520
level is between I think 109 and 110.

1716
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,000
Okay.

1717
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,160
>> But that that spans the the width of the

1718
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,160
office. And so we're going at 1 109.5.

1719
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,000
We just split the difference. Right. But

1720
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,200
that 109.5 is like relative to the grade

1721
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,560
of the rest of the house it's got to be

1722
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,440
107 I'm guessing 106.5.

1723
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,320
I'm sorry I didn't hear that. So the the

1724
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,600
grade of the existing house Oh is that

1725
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,080
about 103 Oh okay. .5 And the the

1726
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,800
rationale the reason the client

1727
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,600
wanted because the view from up there

1728
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,840
you get to see all the hills. Okay. That

1729
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:38,480
was the rationale to put the office

1730
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:52,310
there. That's a good rationale. Yeah.

1731
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:53,960
No we haven't but we can certainly

1732
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,120
follow up this week and and gain any

1733
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,480
input that you would like. I wasn't

1734
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,600
aware that that was part of this process

1735
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,200
at this point but we certainly entertain

1736
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,080
or move forward with

1737
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:08,440
and get them involved.

1738
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,200
>> anytime you put up story polls you get

1739
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,720
unsolicited

1740
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,710
feedbacks.

1741
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,759
Sure.

1742
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:21,080
So I just want to reiterate it is not

1743
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,720
required to have neighborhood outreach.

1744
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,440
And so it's helpful but all property

1745
01:08:26,440 --> 01:08:28,759
owners within 300 ft do get notified of

1746
01:08:28,759 --> 01:08:30,799
the project of the hearing as well as

1747
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,279
the story poles are

1748
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:33,759
and but um yes we always encourage

1749
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:37,030
people to do neighborhood outreach.

1750
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:38,680
So should we Thank you for the move

1751
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,920
forward and notify the neighbors within

1752
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,640
the 300 ft radius and It's always nice

1753
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:44,960
to talk to the neighbors.

1754
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,920
Sure. Yeah at some point even my client

1755
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,839
was saying we've got to it would be nice

1756
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:52,720
to let everyone know um

1757
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,160
but at this point moving forward we can

1758
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,682
certainly do that easily.

1759
01:08:57,682 --> 01:08:58,359
>> [clears throat]

1760
01:08:58,359 --> 01:08:59,839
>> And then kind of get back to Julian

1761
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:04,000
about any feedback we do get. Okay.

1762
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,200
Um

1763
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,200
Yeah, but I mean from

1764
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,120
I mean yeah, I've no other questions um

1765
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,440
regarding

1766
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,120
the site designs.

1767
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,240
Just to clarify though, it's a

1768
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,440
suggestion, not a

1769
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:17,160
I'm sorry.

1770
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,839
>> Marine Outreach is a suggestion, not a

1771
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:21,240
requirement. Well, I think it's a Like

1772
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:22,480
you said, at some point we were going to

1773
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,160
do it, and maybe at this point it might

1774
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,480
make the process moving forward easier

1775
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:30,110
for everyone.

1776
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,319
Okay.

1777
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,269
Any other questions?

1778
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:35,640
Nope.

1779
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,160
No. No.

1780
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:38,799
Okay, with that I'll close uh up the

1781
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:41,839
presentation. Thank you. Thank you.

1782
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,319
Um see if there's any No one in the

1783
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:46,080
room, so is there anyone online

1784
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,160
from the public who wishes to make a

1785
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,200
comment on this project? We do have a

1786
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,279
raised hand from Van Jepson. I'm going

1787
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:55,350
to give you permission to talk.

1788
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,800
Uh good afternoon ASOB. This is Van

1789
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,640
Jepson. I live on

1790
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,760
La Questa Way. I'm a property owner

1791
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,600
within 300 ft. Can you hear me okay?

1792
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,800
Yep.

1793
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,400
Yeah, so the concept design review is

1794
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,120
fine by my eye. The only question I have

1795
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,760
is the generator, if there's an

1796
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,480
enclosure around the generator that

1797
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,880
would keep sound from, I'll say, coming

1798
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,360
my way. I'm just up the hill across from

1799
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,200
Marrow on La Questa, so

1800
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:25,720
Um that's the first question. I have a

1801
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,750
second question.

1802
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,200
So, um

1803
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,360
if I could ask another question

1804
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,120
regarding that generator, [snorts] so

1805
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,680
Uh there's a

1806
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,360
the generator kind of is bounded by the

1807
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,280
office, and then two walls on either

1808
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,560
side. So, there is one complete open

1809
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,080
side, but we could certainly of course

1810
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,520
enclose the entire structure. We were

1811
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,920
working off of the previous

1812
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,480
um design from the generator

1813
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:56,120
that was located there a couple of years

1814
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,120
ago. So, we were just mimicking what

1815
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,400
that present design is and that's how we

1816
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,320
came up with this one.

1817
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,480
>> Are you relocating the generator as part

1818
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:04,560
of this? Yes.

1819
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,200
>> Okay. Okay.

1820
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,320
>> Yes. So, which direction is it moving?

1821
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:07,880
Further?

1822
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,600
>> Right now at on the site plan, the the

1823
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,240
generator is in orange on your screen.

1824
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,760
Right now, the present generator is I

1825
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,640
think there's even a um

1826
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,280
uh it's right basically where it butts

1827
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,400
the new office.

1828
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,160
>> Yep. Yes. So, we're putting it it's in

1829
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,880
front of the office on this plan and

1830
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,360
we're relocating it to the rear of the

1831
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,760
office. Okay. Yep.

1832
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:34,920
All right. So, your first piece of

1833
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,400
unsolicited feedback is about

1834
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:37,960
Grace.

1835
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:38,814
>> Okay.

1836
01:11:38,814 --> 01:11:40,000
>> [laughter]

1837
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,800
>> Is there another question for you guys?

1838
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,160
Yes, I do. Thank you. So, um I'm

1839
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,160
concerned about the construction vehicle

1840
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:48,640
parking.

1841
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,000
Romero is a very tight street. The

1842
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,640
question is it going to be on site? And

1843
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,600
here's why, cuz I live in La Questa and

1844
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,240
there's currently two construction

1845
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,040
projects in La Questa, 211 La Questa and

1846
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,800
111 La Questa and there's about 30 cars

1847
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,320
and trucks on the daily basis that are

1848
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,680
parked along the

1849
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,120
road limiting to one lane and when they

1850
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,440
have deliveries, sheetrock or whatever

1851
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:15,600
stone,

1852
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,040
um there's no passage. Um and then

1853
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,080
sometimes I have to wait 5 minutes for

1854
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,800
that to occur. Now,

1855
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,640
um my question here is if it's not going

1856
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,360
to be on site and if it's not going to

1857
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,880
be on the I'll call it one lane Romero

1858
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,240
road, is it going to be on Cañada Lane?

1859
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,440
So, that lane goes between Romero and La

1860
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,720
Questa Way and that is also very narrow

1861
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,960
with curbs and there's really no place

1862
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,680
to park. I've seen construction vehicles

1863
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,120
parked there, but it makes

1864
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,400
um it very difficult for access. So,

1865
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,760
it's a question generally. Thank you.

1866
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Sure. So, yes, we can speak to that. All

1867
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,240
construction staging and materials and

1868
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,800
parking are all supposed to be on site.

1869
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,240
That will be the same case with this

1870
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,480
project. Sometimes sites have

1871
01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:05,400
constraints in which sometimes [snorts]

1872
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,960
people have to carpool into the site.

1873
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,800
So, and then regarding the existing

1874
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,880
conditions that you've raised,

1875
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,960
if there are those conditions, please

1876
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,760
contact the building department. They

1877
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,560
can go out there and remind the

1878
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,440
contractors that all of that parking is

1879
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:21,760
supposed to be on site. Okay, we'll do.

1880
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,440
Thank you.

1881
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,720
And a formal staging plan which requires

1882
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,200
Yeah, we we definitely require it with

1883
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,000
large projects. Sometimes with smaller

1884
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,120
projects, it's just conditioned.

1885
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,600
But yeah, we can definitely require it,

1886
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,400
especially when you get into tighter

1887
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,920
situations.

1888
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,800
Like for example, like the Glenns, it's

1889
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,000
very important that we see exactly what

1890
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,200
they're going to do on a tight site. So,

1891
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:45,400
it's easy enough for us to have a

1892
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,990
condition like that on this project.

1893
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,520
Mhm. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, they

1894
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,080
should not be blocking the trail.

1895
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,560
You know, anything like that on Cantera

1896
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,840
Road.

1897
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,480
Remind me, do we have

1898
01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:59,400
objective standards on generator

1899
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,360
enclosures in the code? There are for

1900
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,640
those that require emergency generators

1901
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,360
exceptions. This does not.

1902
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,240
I see. So, if it needed an exception to

1903
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,040
go into the setback, that's where we

1904
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,680
have objective standards. But when it's

1905
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,720
not within the setback, there are no

1906
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,150
such standards. Understood.

1907
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:22,040
Okay.

1908
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,120
Any other public comment? There are no

1909
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:25,720
There are raised hands.

1910
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Thank you.

1911
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,600
And all right, without a closed public

1912
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,240
comment and move to board

1913
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,920
deliberation. Anyone like to

1914
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:39,550
summarize their thoughts?

1915
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,080
Oh, I would like to given all the things we've mentioned

1916
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,520
just recently about staging, parking,

1917
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:47,920
and

1918
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,080
that

1919
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:54,430
we move this on to staff.

1920
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,110
Formal.

1921
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,720
Yeah. Yeah. I I'm I'm commend the

1922
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,760
applicant for

1923
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,800
making me have to look twice to

1924
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,280
understand what was going on with

1925
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,480
changing what was on site. It it's very

1926
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:10,760
elegant. I like new touches are nice.

1927
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,040
The accessory structures are well

1928
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,320
placed. I would encourage

1929
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,080
some kind of

1930
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,880
neighborly sound reduction on the

1931
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,360
generator despite not being required.

1932
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:22,200
Right?

1933
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,240
Um definitely not required

1934
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recommendation.

1935
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,880
Yeah. I I have no problem moving this on

1936
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,160
to formal with staff.

1937
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,560
Uh yeah, no questions or comments. I

1938
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,240
agree. Okay.

1939
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,440
Yeah, I mean I echo the comments of my

1940
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:40,160
fellow members. So, we move to formal

1941
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,400
with staff.

1942
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,720
Um I think it's elegantly done. Well,

1943
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,600
like nice little details here and there

1944
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,640
in terms of expanding various

1945
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,080
structures.

1946
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,440
Um the only thing I'll I'll bring up is

1947
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,560
the again the

1948
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,560
uh placement of the office and right at

1949
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,520
the setback, which I think

1950
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,720
um I would anticipate there will be some

1951
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,800
unsolicited feedback from

1952
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,560
neighbors regarding that. So, anything

1953
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,000
that could be done to further screen

1954
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,080
that I think would be helpful. But

1955
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,360
beyond that I think

1956
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,760
that pretty much summarizes our motion.

1957
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,520
Um so, what I've heard is that

1958
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,240
the the applicant would be encouraged um

1959
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,920
to put some screening between the office

1960
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,560
and Romero Road as well as provide a

1961
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,640
neighborhood outreach and also

1962
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,120
encouraged to uh provide any sound

1963
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,040
attenuation that may be available for

1964
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,310
the generator.

1965
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,960
Yep.

1966
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,680
Do we have a second? Second here.

1967
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,960
Chair Lindsey. Yes. Vice Chair Kamran.

1968
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,000
Yes. Member Middleman.

1969
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,840
Yes. Member Sullivan. Yes.

1970
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:51,350
Great. Thank you. Thank you.

1971
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,120
Where's your wrap-up statement, Sage,

1972
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,680
where you say, "Uh, you'll get a letter

1973
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,390
in the mail and uh

1974
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,320
It's been a long day. Oh, I'm sorry.

1975
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,480
>> Long day, okay.

1976
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:03,640
So, with that, close of the public

1977
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,240
hearing, and then director's report.

1978
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,360
Um, I don't have anything further to

1979
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,080
report.

1980
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:10,720
Uh,

1981
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:12,840
just noting, uh, as I did at the

1982
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:13,960
beginning of the meeting, that we'll

1983
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,680
bring to, uh, the council just an item

1984
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,880
to look at for this particular round of

1985
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,480
chair and vice chair, uh, nominations

1986
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:24,840
and votes, um, that if the council would

1987
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,280
like to waive

1988
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,960
the charter requiring no more than two

1989
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,400
years within a four-year period. Yes.

1990
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,800
And assuming that's done at the next

1991
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,440
town council

1992
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:34,280
>> That's correct. It will It will

1993
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:35,400
definitely It's going to be on We're

1994
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,200
going to put it on the consent agenda

1995
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,640
for the next town council meeting, and

1996
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,720
should anyone want to pull it, we'll

1997
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,160
discuss Discuss it at that time. So,

1998
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,960
then then, uh, for us, the next ASRB

1999
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,120
>> That's correct. Yeah, we'll have that

2000
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,480
decision by then.

2001
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,320
And And you want to bring up something

2002
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,600
that concerns me. So, when I was looking

2003
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,360
at the projects that were on for today,

2004
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,320
I feel that two of the projects didn't

2005
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:56,840
need to come here.

2006
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,240
You know,

2007
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,560
I understand that, you know, 115 Romero

2008
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,000
is within

2009
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,280
the scenic corridor, but the

2010
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:05,640
It's the virtually going to be the same

2011
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,920
house at the end of the day.

2012
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:09,800
And with 885 Espinosa, from what I

2013
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,960
understand, it's the exact same project

2014
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,480
that was approved a couple years ago,

2015
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:15,560
and because of a life event,

2016
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,160
they had to spend thousands of dollars

2017
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,160
of put up story poles to come back to

2018
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,720
ASRB.

2019
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,360
So, I I just want to take a moment to

2020
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,200
reflect that maybe our code has some

2021
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:26,960
deficiencies that we should visit in

2022
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,190
terms of how we

2023
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,080
allow a project that's been delayed to

2024
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,320
move forward without incurring

2025
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,920
additional finances or financial costs,

2026
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,720
as well as

2027
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,000
Yes, it's a scenic corridor, but

2028
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,000
maybe we should have an initial

2029
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,390
threshold before

2030
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:45,640
All right.

2031
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,600
>> Oh, that's fine. The um

2032
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,400
Yeah, those are comments that town

2033
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,240
council can consider in making any code

2034
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:53,400
changes.

2035
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,760
Um with regards to expirations

2036
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,000
you know, at the staff level, we just

2037
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,800
have no authority. I'm not going to

2038
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,400
decide whether it's 2 weeks, 2 months,

2039
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,440
or 2 years. Um so, there's just there's

2040
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,040
a timeline and you know,

2041
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,600
starting talking about objective and

2042
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,000
subjective, we want to be very careful

2043
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,520
in making those kinds of decisions. They

2044
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,680
need to file for extension. Yeah, they

2045
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,240
just didn't and we can't keep track of

2046
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,040
everyone's projects for them. Um they um

2047
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,800
they have their own, you know, they're

2048
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,480
provided with that information when they

2049
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:22,240
get approved. Um and it's their

2050
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,920
responsibility to uh make sure they

2051
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,560
follow up on that stuff.

2052
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,560
Okay. But, I I do agree that if we

2053
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,440
didn't have to, you you know,

2054
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,760
those are they that's

2055
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,320
But, these are these are items

2056
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,040
definitely that, you know, at some point

2057
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:38,800
can be considered with the town council.

2058
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,600
I mean, there we I know there's been

2059
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,760
different times in the past that, you

2060
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,840
know, when we have the thousands uh

2061
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:46,560
square foot threshold for scenic

2062
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,080
corridors in Western Hills, whereas the

2063
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,880
rest of the town is a 2,000 square foot

2064
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,640
threshold. And there's been talk

2065
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,160
sometimes about just making them the

2066
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,480
same. Um and so, [clears throat] you

2067
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:57,920
know, that's definitely a discussion

2068
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,240
worth having.

2069
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,160
>> [snorts]

2070
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,120
>> All right.

2071
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,640
Thank you. That adjourn the meeting at

2072
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,360
5:50 p.m.