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and we will begin with the pledge of

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Roll call.

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>> Chair Gar

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>> here.

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>> Vice Chair Palber

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Evans

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>> Commissioner Gonerko

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>> here.

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>> And Commissioner Weaver is noted absent.

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>> There

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agenda for today.

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>> There are no changes to the agenda.

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However, you do have some desk items

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related to item number two. Um, and I'll

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go over those uh during my presentation.

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>> All right, perfect. Uh, so we will move

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forward with public communication. So,

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if anybody would like to speak on an

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the time to do so. So, folks either in

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>> Sure. I have a desk item. uh not

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sleeping it's on the agenda or

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to the consent agenda and consent

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calendar we have one item which is the

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approval of the uh April 15 2026 minutes

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uh before we do so Does anyone have any

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proposed changes to the minutes u they

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would like to raise?

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» All right. In that case, uh may I have a

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motion to approve the minutes?

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>> Motion to approve the minutes.

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>> I'll second it.

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>> Chair Gar.

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>> Vice Chair Tober.

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>> All right. In that case, uh we will go

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which is the public hearing on the uh

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continued review of the uh resolution

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for intention and recommendation on the

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municipal code updates uh with respect

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>> Great. Thank you, Chair Gore. Um so uh

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as you recall on April 15th the planning

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commission reviewed changes to the

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municipal code uh related to the

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development of ADUs. There were a

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handful of items in which the planning

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commission provided direction to staff

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to look into further provide some

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updates and make some modifications. So

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in my presentation today, it will um go

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through those changes and the responses

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to the direction from the planning

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items. Uh you can we can pause for any

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complete, members of the public can

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commission asked us to bring back was

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second driveways for accessory dwelling

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units. Um, so the what what you see on

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the screen is the proposed language and

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underlying strikethrough and then the

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areas highlighted in yellow were the

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changes that we made from last time. So

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the planning commission expressed some

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driveway. Um and this just provides more

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ditch or some other infrastructure

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facility um that doesn't make it

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feasible. So we wanted to remove that

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requirement and then therefore provide

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more flexibility and not create

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building out there or you know provides

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better firetruck access to another

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building as well. And so for those

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reasons uh staff removed those two

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requirements. Um but that was the

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changes that we made to the second

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driveway exception. Um, happy to answer

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why the word exclusive

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the law of unintended consequences and I

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think I understand why it was struck but

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for that are not a second ADU? Well, it

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would only So, someone could always do a

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second driveway exception for other

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buildings. Those still have to come to

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the planning commission. In this

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instance, it would have to be tied to a

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proposed ADU. Um, so if you have an

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existing ADU on your lot, um, this

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ADU and they needed this second access,

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proposing a new ADU,

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you all would make sure that it's ex

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that that's the principal use of the

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structure as well, that could be an

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added benefit. Um but in this case, it

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commission and this provides a carveout

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public input um at that time at the end.

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definition of an efficiency kitchen. Um

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and uh to provide some better

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clarification on that. And so, um, part

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of what we do with these ordinances to

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be careful and making sure we are

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consistent with state law. Um, while

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state law has a definition of an

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efficiency unit, um, it specifies that

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JADUs can have an efficiency kitchen,

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but does not define an efficiency

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kitchen. Um, but there is the department

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of housing and community development,

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otherwise known as HCD. Um they have

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interpretations of various state laws

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and what they what their definition

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appliance. Um and so they state 120 volt

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connections. And so just to be safe, we

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why we updated. So I I believe that does

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clarify basically you have the options

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HCD so it's not it's not language that

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definition of efficiency kitchen. Um,

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struck with gas connection when folks

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are trying to limit the use of gas.

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doesn't ban gas. Um and so uh for that

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clear that there are no restrictions.

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favorably on that.

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kitchen. And so it's you know what is an

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efficiency kitchen? So the town has

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an update to be more in line with the

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current interpretation by HCD. Okay.

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last meeting the planning commission

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some comments from the public um

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indicated that you know there should be

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some paved area and surface coverage

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exceptions carved out for ADUs.

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um noting that some of the lots in SCP5

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zoning districts or other SCP districts

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are limited to 9,000 square ft uh which

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issue for folks doing development and

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ing that everybody has no planting

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someone could have dirt, they're often

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recommending some type of gravel or

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other concrete or any kind of paved

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material. And it's becoming a problem um

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especially on larger projects. Um they

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don't have enough pavearian square foot

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uh paved area surface coverage to meet

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that requirement. Um people are finding

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that they've gone through fire at the

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designer view level and they're okay

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with it and then come to find a building

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permit they are requiring this. And so

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what we did was to look at try to um

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really deal with the major issue and

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that is that the fire district is

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requiring people to have paving of some

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sort around their house or all their

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structures. And so what we've done here

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is we've didn't provide something

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specifically for ADUs, but it can still

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have an ancillary effect for ADUs um by

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opening up more square footage for

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things like ADUs. So the definition that

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we've proposed here or I'm sorry the

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exception that we've proposed here is

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one that if you have some type of

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non-binding material, it's not concrete

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or pavers, um but something more like

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gravel or loose rock, um that could be

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exempt. Now people will still have

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landings outside of their exit doors.

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Many people have patios that are

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concrete, bricks, flag stone, things of

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that nature. Um, and all of those will

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still count, but in the areas that they

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choose to put things around the

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building,

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um, sorry about that. The, um,

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this will be something that can comply

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with the fire district, uh, while still

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having people count what they typically

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would count. Um but as long as so we

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looked at this kind of non-biting

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material is gravel uh sand similar um

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that this would be something that could

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be exempt from the paved area surface

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coverage. Um in the staff report we

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provided uh an example of a current this

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is a current example. Um so this is a

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project in which you know relatively

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large site um I think we're just under

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five acres here and they have a main

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house. This is a brand new property. I'm

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sorry, a new development. Uh, and it has

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a main house, detached garage, ADU, pool

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house, gym building. Um, and their

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square footage to go around those

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buildings, excluding the areas that they

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were already going to use for patios or

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uh, exit landings um, totals a little

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under 5,000 square ft. Um, so we did

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want to recognize that it is a fair

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amount of square footage, but this would

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be something that is on a relatively

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large property. Um and on properties of

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this size, this is a pretty typical size

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development that you would see um you

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know the main house and you know two or

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three uh accessory structures. And given

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that this is going to be required by the

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fire district uh staff does recommend

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that we just allow them to provide what

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is necessary for fire. Alternatively,

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the planning commission could consider

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some type of cap. um that would just

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mean folks would have to reduce paved

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area in other places. Uh if someone

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wanted to do a concrete walkway around

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their house, this ex exception would not

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apply. Um so it's is also just to

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clarify that still trying to maintain

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more of the rural character of the town.

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Um and allowing for this exception.

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Any questions on this?

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» Okay. Um so last time uh we noted that

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you know it our code is not clear and

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where uh mechanical equipment can go

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that serves ADUs although in practice it

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has been applied we've had to apply it

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um can't deny an ADU uh because the HVAC

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wouldn't meet um the setback and so uh

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in practice what the town has been doing

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is to ensure that the mechanical

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equipment is adjacent to the building

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and that it does not go any closer than

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4 ft uh to a side or rear property line.

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So, it can't be any closer than an ADU

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could be. Um and at the last meeting

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there was concern about kind of what is

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immediately adjacent and if we could

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better clarify that. So, we've worked

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with the building department. Um

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typically they're probably around 12 in

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or so uh from a building wall. We just

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want to make sure that uh if there was

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some reason that it needed to be a

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little bit further away. Uh so we

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provided a objective standard of just

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that uh this mechanical equipment could

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be no further than 24 in from the

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exterior wall. Um and that's the

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proposal. So this would still allow for

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HVAC units or uh tankless water heaters

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that are often attached to the building.

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Uh so that was our proposal for this.

390
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No questions.

391
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>> Yeah. Um, we've we've heard cases before

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about pumps that make noise

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and neighbors impacted by pumps that

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make noise. Specifically last year with

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regards to a pool.

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>> Yep.

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>> I'm just thinking with regards to air

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conditioning, if something was within 4

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ft of a property line, how do we think

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about that with regards to noise and

401
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neighbors?

402
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>> It's a good question. Um, you know,

403
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clearly would not be allowing pool

404
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equipment. Uh, but with regard to ADUs,

405
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town has to allow an ADU that is close

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as 4T to a side of rear property line.

407
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So, it I I don't even know if it's

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feasible from a from a construction

409
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standpoint, but we couldn't make them

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push their heating system. Say it

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doesn't everyone doesn't have to have

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cooling. most people do in Woodside, but

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you could now you're requiring their

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heating mechanical equipment to be say

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30 or 50 feet away from the property

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line. So, you're running this long line

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and that is just a problem and the town

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could not deny an ADU based on that. So,

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it's really a way what we're trying to

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do is just clarify what's allowed as

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opposed to someone saying, "No, you have

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to let me put it within 4T um on any

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side of my building." Uh so we tried to

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keep it somewhat restrictive. Um at

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least make it meet that four feet. Uh

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but it's just something that we are

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going to have to allow for new

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construction. Um and so this is a way

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for us to have some

430
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>> I'm just playing it out in my mind. The

431
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neighbor that lives next door has an

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issue with it

433
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>> and um and at least wants to have a at

434
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least wants his his or her voice heard.

435
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Yep.

436
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>> Um and as it's written, we wouldn't be

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able to do that.

438
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>> That's correct. Um but uh just under

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current practice, we wouldn't be able to

440
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do that.

441
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>> Okay.

442
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>> Um it's just for us to you know, we can

443
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not we we built it's in our code.

444
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The state may have some concerns about

445
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it, but it's already in our code that

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when something is in the required basic

447
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setback that we notify immediately

448
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neighbors. The the issue is um that we

449
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also have to specifically say that

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there's no appeal of this decision um

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because it has to be allowed and so uh

452
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we are notifying people um when that

453
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occurs uh but in this instance it's just

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something we do have to allow

455
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>> and and pool equipment is is not

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allowed.

457
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>> That's correct. So obviously the pool

458
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equipment would not be needed to serve

459
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the ADU and so therefore um if someone

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were to propose it adjacent to an ADU

461
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that was within the basic setback that

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would come to the planning commission

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for a variance or setback exception.

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Um so uh so last time we discussed about

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we have this exception um built into the

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code. Uh this is in response to the

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state's requirements for that

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if there is some type of standard uh in

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the zoning code um that would or or many

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standards in the zoning code that would

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prohibit a property from developing at

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least 1800 foot ADU. Um the town has to

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provide some type of waiver to those

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standards uh because the town has to

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allow at least 1800 foot ADU. Uh it's

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detached from a building. And at the

477
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last meeting there was a discussion

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about possibly of uh increasing that

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exception from 800 to,200 square ft. Um

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doesn't change you know what you're

481
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allowed now. It just means that if you

482
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were trying to build something over 800

483
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but less than 1,200, you could still

484
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look for some type of exception to maybe

485
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be in the front setback. Um maybe

486
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[clears throat]

487
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uh you would be in an area that you you

488
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just you're meeting your natural state

489
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requirements and there's nowhere else to

490
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put a building. So you might have to

491
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encroach into those areas a little bit.

492
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Um so uh at that time at the last

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meeting the planning commission decided

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they did not want to um increase uh from

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800 to 1200 or increase above 800 at

496
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all. Um people can still have units

497
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larger than 800. It just means that if

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they try to qualify for this exception

499
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that building could be no more than 800

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square ft.

501
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So, uh, we just showed that we kept it

502
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at 800 square f feet and that, um, there

503
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was some question about

504
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trying to provide a little bit more

505
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clarity on on what people are required

506
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to do to kind of show that their site is

507
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constrained, in which they need some

508
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type of exception. And in looking at

509
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this initial thought was to say okay you

510
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can submit everything on the checklist

511
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and that's very objective and you have

512
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to do that

513
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um in order to identify if you have this

514
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one constraint um or or multiple

515
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constraints and still wanted to provide

516
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some flexibility um because

517
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for someone to have to provide all of

518
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this different information could be a a

519
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,039
little bit um cumbersome. It could be a

520
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:54,400
little bit uh it'd be more expensive. Um

521
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a great example we have of a recent ADU

522
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um they did a geotechnical earthquake

523
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fault trench. Um and it runs right

524
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through the existing house right now,

525
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the San Andreas fault. Um and on both

526
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sides of it there's this setback zone

527
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for uh in which you cannot build a new

528
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habitable building. And so that document

529
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was enough to demonstrate that they had

530
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to push they're only doing 800 square

531
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foot unit and that they had to push that

532
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into the front setback. It was the only

533
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place that was going to be either

534
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outside of a stream corridor that they

535
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had on their property as well as this

536
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,760
fault setback area. And so in that

537
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,080
particular case, all we needed was that

538
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,919
fault trench study. Um, and

539
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if we were to require them to do the

540
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,320
septic feasibility plan and a

541
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topographic study, all of which of these

542
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,280
things they'll have to do for

543
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construction permits, but before they

544
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,440
invest the time and money, they want to

545
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understand if they can move it into the

546
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location that they need to. So, what we

547
00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:00,720
did here is we tried to provide more

548
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,200
examples of documents and things that

549
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,760
can be submitted. Um the idea is really

550
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,240
to sit down with staff um if there is

551
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,039
something that's a question uh that wait

552
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:14,320
why can't you put it in another location

553
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,600
um we would ask for that piece of

554
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,200
information and they would share with us

555
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,159
why they couldn't do that. Uh so we made

556
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:22,400
some changes here trying to provide at

557
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880
least identify more types of information

558
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,240
that people would be required to have

559
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,400
but happy to answer any questions. Yeah.

560
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,080
I think with this one we talked when we

561
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,600
were I recall talking about

562
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,400
just because this is 800 versus 1,200

563
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,320
folks still have a process right if they

564
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,440
want to it's just a matter

565
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,200
>> yes correct so let's say someone was

566
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,200
over 800 they still meet all their

567
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,880
square footage or whatnot but they yes

568
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,240
they could apply for some type of

569
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,480
variance other type of discretionary

570
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:58,310
review y

571
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400
» I I don't have the memory that my

572
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,897
partner here Yes. Um

573
00:25:03,897 --> 00:25:04,400
[laughter]

574
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,640
>> I think I was Oh, no. This was

575
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,080
>> You were This was at the last meeting.

576
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,559
Ref.

577
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,950
>> This is Rev 2. Got it. Um

578
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,200
when you say uh if they produce these

579
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,960
reports, um they may move things to the

580
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,000
front setback.

581
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,510
>> That's correct.

582
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,960
» They would still need to go through a

583
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,080
variance process.

584
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080
>> No, that is not. They would not have to.

585
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,760
And this is this is state law that the

586
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,279
and they the state um has made it very

587
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,320
clear that uh you have to allow one of

588
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,760
these what they call stateex exempt

589
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,559
ADUs. So a detached ADU that's up to 800

590
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,600
square ft. Um if you convert an existing

591
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,880
structure um you have to allow these

592
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,320
things into the front setback. And so,

593
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,880
uh, that's where the the commission

594
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,440
shared concerns of, you know, why they

595
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,600
wanted to keep it limited to that 800

596
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,960
square f feet. It's something we have to

597
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,279
allow by state law, whereas we could be

598
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,440
more flexible and allow larger units.

599
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,799
Um, but at the last meeting, the

600
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,120
commission decided uh to keep it stuck

601
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,480
at the 800 and not increase that.

602
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,640
So if I'm understanding this correctly,

603
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,159
it is a state mandate that

604
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:27,039
if they move into the setback area that

605
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,080
the variance process be waved

606
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,159
>> if they cannot place it somewhere else.

607
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:35,279
>> They cannot place it somewhere else.

608
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:40,000
And that last part of the sentence, if they

609
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,840
cannot place it somewhere else, that's

610
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,960
something that you work with the

611
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,440
applicant.

612
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,960
>> That's correct. And so what we try to do

613
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,360
here is clarify the type of information

614
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,360
that may be necessary to show that they

615
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,640
cannot place somewhere else.

616
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,840
>> And that is why

617
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
my partners here decided to keep it

618
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,200
constrained at 800.

619
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,159
>> That's correct. Yeah.

620
00:26:58,159 --> 00:26:58,960
>> Got it. Okay.

621
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,720
>> So people would still have a larger unit

622
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:07,430
that would need the variance.

623
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,279
» Yeah. And this is something we've had in

624
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,679
our code very early on from the state

625
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,000
law ordinances. Uh we are trying to

626
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,360
provide some more clarification and

627
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,360
asking if we wanted to go to a larger

628
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,799
size but the decision at that time was

629
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:23,269
to keep it in

630
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,760
» um okay this is just oh the owner

631
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000
occupancy uh for junior accessory

632
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,320
dwelling units. Um so there was a

633
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,200
question last time about if we even have

634
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,799
to require this and so uh just recently

635
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,400
this so effective 2026 uh a new state

636
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,640
law was passed um and became effective

637
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,159
and uh what it clarifies is that you

638
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,159
actually have to require an owner

639
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:53,120
occupancy if it's first uh on a

640
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,679
restriction that you cannot sell a Jadu

641
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:58,799
separate from the property uh from other

642
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,120
buildings on the property. And then two,

643
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,640
that

644
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,200
you cannot require owner occupancy if

645
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,480
the JADU has its own separate bathroom,

646
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,559
but if it shares a bathroom with the

647
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,880
main residence, you shall require owner

648
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,360
occupancy. So, this is another one. We

649
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,039
just really went back to this new state

650
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,799
law and we made sure it matched them.

651
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,960
>> So, what what does that actually mean?

652
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,799
Is it I I remember this one clearly.

653
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,440
Like if you build a JADU, is the state

654
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600
law saying that you are forever mandated

655
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
to live in your place? Then

656
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,919
>> you live the owner has to live in one of

657
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,320
those two units either in the JADU or

658
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,760
the main residence,

659
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,039
>> which which like makes no sense, right?

660
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,960
I mean I'm not it's maybe it's something

661
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
we should like give feedback to the

662
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,279
state but the idea that if you create a

663
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,600
J AU that you are forever bound to live

664
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200
in the place makes

665
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200
>> Yeah. Right. I mean as long as as long

666
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,120
as you own the property.

667
00:28:59,120 --> 00:28:59,600
>> Uh

668
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,520
>> that's for a period of time though.

669
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,960
>> Yeah that's a little bit different.

670
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,720
>> It expires because you have to indicate

671
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,240
that you intend to live there for 3

672
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,520
years before you do it. But this is

673
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,919
saying like

674
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:14,480
forever you're never allowed to move

675
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,360
out.

676
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,760
>> And then then specifically if you have

677
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,559
if it does not have its own bathroom. It

678
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,960
>> does not. So if it has its own bathroom

679
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,279
you

680
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:24,960
>> then we do not require the owner

681
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,240
occupancy.

682
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,159
>> So to leave your house you would be

683
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:30,080
required to add a bathroom.

684
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,840
>> Uh essentially.

685
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,159
>> Yes. Or you could or you could remove

686
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,039
the J AU

687
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,480
meaning

688
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440
>> what would could that I guess is that

689
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,919
something that would be an easy removing

690
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,860
a J AU is that basically paperwork or

691
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:46,960
[clears throat]

692
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,320
>> it's a good question. Depends how it's

693
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,039
set up. It could be as simple as

694
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,919
redefining the space because a JADU is

695
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:55,200
supposed to come out of an existing

696
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,480
space of a house. Yep.

697
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,799
>> Now, it can come out of a space of a

698
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:03,120
proposed house as well, but um so so the

699
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,360
idea is you're basically, you know, you

700
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440
have a bedroom, then you can put in this

701
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,399
efficiency kitchen, and then there and

702
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:12,640
it's no larger than 500 ft. It has a

703
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,880
separate entrance. Um and therefore, it

704
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,919
can qualify as a J AU. Um you simply

705
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,760
just have a door that closes off to the

706
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,919
main residence. Uh and so yeah, it it

707
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,320
could be as simple as reclassifying uh

708
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,799
what you're proposing there depending if

709
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,679
you need to remove any facilities.

710
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:33,760
>> Okay. I think my my last question on

711
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,200
this one that if if that is actually

712
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,640
what this thing is saying and we are

713
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,640
bound by state law. It would be good to

714
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,881
maybe provide the

715
00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:42,320
[clears throat and snorts] fine people

716
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,159
of Woodside with clarity on what to do

717
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,919
in that situation. Like is there a

718
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:47,440
recategorization? Because it just seems

719
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,039
like it I doubt this would ever get

720
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,960
enforced, right? like it would be a

721
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
weird legal limbo to be in if you I

722
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,279
don't know you go take another job and

723
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:56,559
you're going to write for

724
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,399
>> it's a good it's a good point and I

725
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,720
think the best way that we can do that

726
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,600
is with the owner occupancy document

727
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,240
that it it indicates you know there's a

728
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,799
method or a path um to remove the J AU

729
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,399
or that removes it to have the offer

730
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:14,240
>> and then that way that way it runs with

731
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960
the land and it's clear um what you can

732
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,149
and cannot

733
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:23,840
Um just one comment I didn't quite hear

734
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,039
maybe [clears throat]

735
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,360
um Matt covered this but it was facing

736
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,640
the other direction. So the reason for this mandate about the

737
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,679
bathroom is so that the person living in

738
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,159
the JADU has access to toilet

739
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:39,200
facilities.

740
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,679
>> That's correct. So they so a JADU can

741
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:46,480
share the toilet and bathing facilities.

742
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,279
That's why you would the the owner of

743
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:53,200
the nonju would would have to

744
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,760
>> allow access to their own correct.

745
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,720
>> So they want to make sure that person

746
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,960
living in the JADU has access to.

747
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:06,630
>> That's correct.

748
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
» Um but yes, this was another one we just

749
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,360
really wanted to fall back on. What this is a new state law. It used to

750
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,039
require the owner occupancy and now they

751
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:16,480
removed it when you have your own

752
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360
bathroom. And so, uh, we were just being

753
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:30,470
very careful to follow the state law.

754
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,960
» All right.

755
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:41,750
Sorry, I'm just taking some notes.

756
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Okay.

757
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,230
Um Okay. So, um this is

758
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,840
one of the last comments that it was

759
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,000
brought up by a member of the public. Um

760
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,600
he's raised that at a couple of

761
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,320
occasions at different ADU

762
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,080
um meeting at different ADU ordinance

763
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,200
meetings. um as the town has allowed for

764
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,600
uh different criteria for ADUs on our

765
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,720
lots sloping downward from a roadway. So

766
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,000
that's already been codified. Um the ask

767
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,720
was to look at allowing for a similar

768
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,559
type of exception for ADUs that are in

769
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,159
ups sloping lots from the roadway. and

770
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:31,600
staff continues to have concerns

771
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,080
um with kind of the really the visual

772
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,960
aspect of how this look. While you know

773
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120
it's noted that they would still have to

774
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,679
meet the basic setback requirements. So

775
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:44,720
that could be 50 feet on all sides um in

776
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,120
some of the larger zoning districts um

777
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,679
but it could be as close as 15 feet or

778
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:51,519
10 feet or even if you're in the Glenns

779
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,840
there's even reduced setbacks

780
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,000
um and

781
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,720
continue to struggle with the potential

782
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,480
unintended consequences of the

783
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,720
visibility of these types of units. um

784
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,240
staff doesn't have as you know if the

785
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,440
commission and council would like to

786
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,679
move forward with something like that um

787
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,040
using the language that was proposed um

788
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,800
by uh Mr. Patrick is one way to do that.

789
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,000
Um that's what's noted here up in gray.

790
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,040
Um but we did not propose that in the

791
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,679
ordinance. Um but we're happy to have

792
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,760
some more discussion. I did want to show

793
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,919
a couple of things and uh we have a

794
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,399
member of the public that at least um

795
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,399
will note one of these examples that

796
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:39,919
we're showing here. Uh and the first one

797
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,240
I'm going to show it's on an ups sloping

798
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,480
lot, but it actually complies with the

799
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,399
current standards.

800
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:51,119
And to give you an idea of kind of how

801
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,079
that building seems somewhat imposing,

802
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,879
it could be even more imposing um if it

803
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,200
were to have a taller building on the

804
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,200
back wall. So this one kind of steps

805
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:09,430
down the hill a little bit. Um so all

806
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,839
okay so what I wanted to show is just an

807
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:17,839
example of a property. So it ups slopes

808
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,720
from the roadway.

809
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,480
This is the existing conditions.

810
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,280
>> Where's the roadway?

811
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,599
>> So the road down at the bottom here.

812
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,920
>> Then it has a driveway that comes up to

813
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,400
the top. And the main residence is

814
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,079
located kind of at the flat portion. in

815
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,000
the site and the examples or the request

816
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960
before was to say, hey, if something has

817
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,920
access from the driveway at the top, um

818
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,079
it should be still be allowed to have

819
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,839
the taller backside. So, this is the

820
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:49,359
location I'll show in the next plan, the

821
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,079
site plan of the actual proposal. This

822
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,520
um is a location in which the ADU is

823
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,200
being built. Now, um, uh, we do allow

824
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,440
development on slopes in excess 35% for

825
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,240
ADUs and so they were able to place it,

826
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,800
access it from the uphill side. But I do

827
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,720
want to note that while that's

828
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,720
relatively far from the roadway, it is

829
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,960
visible from a trail. Um, and so that's

830
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,520
somewhat visibility, but from a roadway,

831
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000
you know, to see that building down

832
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,720
closer to the road is something even if

833
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,119
it met the 50ft setback, it would still

834
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,440
be something that would look a bit more

835
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,680
imposing. So, this is the proposal of

836
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,240
the project itself. So, and I'll show

837
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:36,320
you the elevation, and it it's kind of

838
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,920
stepped down the hill a little bit. they

839
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,760
tucked it into the hillside have kind of

840
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
a partial basement

841
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
and um but I wanted to note that

842
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,640
something similar to this could actually

843
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,800
this yellow line shows the required

844
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,560
setbacks and potentially someone you

845
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,400
know could have this ups sloping lot and

846
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,800
it could be really close to the roadway

847
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,280
um and it would be very visible. So

848
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,800
looking at the elevations this is the

849
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,400
side elevation so you see it kind of

850
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,560
stepping down the hill a bit. dug into

851
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,640
the hillside a bit, but this is the rear

852
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,839
elevation of the building. This is

853
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:09,440
what's what you see when it steps down

854
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,560
the hillside. And

855
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,040
this it steps down, so it helps to break

856
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,240
up the mass. Yet, and if it were to

857
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,400
allow to have this much taller plate

858
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,040
height and overall height on this side,

859
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,040
it could be much more visible, much more

860
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,160
imposed on the right roadway. Um, so

861
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,079
this is a real life example of one that

862
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:33,440
actually complies with code today. Um,

863
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,800
>> so Sage, if in the in the proposal that

864
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,800
you did not propose or the proposal that

865
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,359
was proposed by a member of the public

866
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:43,520
>> last week, what would be Can you sure

867
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:43,760
back?

868
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,720
>> Yeah. So,

869
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,560
>> what part? How much higher would that?

870
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,800
>> So, it it could probably get roughly up

871
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
to where that ridge is in the back

872
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,640
>> in the all the way at the back.

873
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,839
>> All the way in the background. Yeah. So,

874
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,000
it could push that entire wall all the

875
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,480
way out.

876
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,839
>> Right. Because what you're not seeing in

877
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,000
this one because it's a you you'd

878
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,760
actually be viewing this from downhill.

879
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,720
Correct.

880
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,160
>> Smaller than it actually does in the

881
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,560
picture.

882
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,920
>> Yes. [clears throat] And so what I

883
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,680
wanted to show, I just took some other

884
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,400
images um off the internet just to

885
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,960
provide some other examples of how

886
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,359
buildings could look. Um so some are a

887
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:16,640
little bit more extreme if they're

888
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,800
placed on stilts. See the underside of

889
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,440
the buildings. Um so this is a couple

890
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,280
different options that could function

891
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,760
that way. So again, have this much

892
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,760
taller height over um

893
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,359
>> kind of plate height would that one on

894
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:32,400
stilts actually be measured?

895
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,160
>> Not the post, not the post down at the

896
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,200
bottom, right? Just the

897
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,359
>> It would be measured to the grade below

898
00:38:37,359 --> 00:38:38,480
>> all the way to the bottom of the grade.

899
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,040
>> Yes, that would be at 70 foot plate

900
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,520
height.

901
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,599
>> Uh I wouldn't suggest it's 70 foot. This

902
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,359
is probably about a 10ft plate. So it'

903
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:49,200
be another story under here. Um that

904
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,800
>> would be that top roof though, right?

905
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,320
That top rectangle.

906
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,680
>> Yes, that would be the plate. And then

907
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,440
the overall height, I believe we have it

908
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,240
up to 28 ft tall. Um, so you could have

909
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,079
a 28t tall. So, um, you know, looking at

910
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,480
again, these aren't to scale and they're

911
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,000
not exact measurements, but just

912
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,920
different types of kind of flat twostory

913
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560
walls um, that could be done without

914
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,320
stepping it down the hillside.

915
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,000
>> And then I think one of the other

916
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
arguments I remember about this one is

917
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,320
that's currently allowed for a main

918
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,359
residence, correct?

919
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:22,800
>> That's correct. Yes. So this is just

920
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,359
saying that so the the condition we're

921
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:26,640
looking at here is already something

922
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,000
that can happen. It just can't happen

923
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,119
for ADUs. Correct.

924
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,280
>> That's correct. For the detached ADUs

925
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,720
that would be much taller. Um so you

926
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,880
know this this one I thought was kind of

927
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,800
good to look at. It actually has a

928
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
another elevation you see. So this is

929
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,359
kind of a very simple form but this is

930
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:46,320
you know this is probably about

931
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,000
18t plate height or so there. Um, and

932
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,480
this is a side view of that building.

933
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,440
Um, and so, you know, it would instead

934
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,359
of having kind of just this short side

935
00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:59,920
or having this step down the hillside,

936
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,880
it creates this larger two-story wall um

937
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,839
that could be visible. And

938
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:09,040
so if the council, I'm sorry, if the

939
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,640
commission would like to uh entertain um

940
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,280
looking at the UPS slopes and and use

941
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,160
the language provided by the applicant,

942
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,760
I'm sorry, by the member of the public,

943
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,040
that's something we could do. Um it's

944
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,640
something that I just

945
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,320
with some of the examples that we're

946
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,680
seeing it's just starting to be more um

947
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,359
>> but this is something if they wanted to

948
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:37,040
they could still apply for a variance.

949
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,720
>> That's correct. I mean there is a path

950
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,040
if someone were to need to do something

951
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,240
>> get anywhere else on the lot that was

952
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,720
logical then

953
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,040
>> yeah there's I mean we still have you

954
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,560
know this this 800 foot ADU exception.

955
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,000
So if someone needs a taller plate

956
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,480
height because it needs to be, you know,

957
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,160
a little bit down a hillside, that's

958
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,520
something that they could do, but it

959
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,760
would also be limited to 800 square ft

960
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,040
unless they got a

961
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,760
>> uh correct. Yes. So um that's the that's

962
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,040
the uh staff is again continuing to

963
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,640
struggle with that um and at this point

964
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,599
has not provided that in the ordinance.

965
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,400
>> Yep. Interesting because one of the

966
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,400
arguments was

967
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,079
Um,

968
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,160
it's sort of no worse than the existing.

969
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,319
I think the counterpoint is there's more

970
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:27,119
of these.

971
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,839
>> Mighty is that

972
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:30,400
>> garage?

973
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,240
>> Yeah. How did you do that?

974
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,280
>> It's attached. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

975
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,920
>> And it was physically attached to the

976
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,200
main house um by the breezeway. And so

977
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
that

978
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,640
>> the ups slope. It's the UPS slope with

979
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,359
plate height of whatever stories. It's it's not the any of these specific

980
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:54,079
ones, but uh what what um

981
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:54,720
>> theory

982
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,560
>> Commissioner Evans

983
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,000
>> it it didn't even go to commission. It

984
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
didn't go to ASV. It just went through

985
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,760
your staff. It was 800 ft. It fit all

986
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:02,400
the rules.

987
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,240
>> Yes. And so that was considered an

988
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,160
attached ADU. So it was like the house

989
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
was able to have a taller plate height.

990
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:08,960
>> Um

991
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,599
>> like one mile on the street

992
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,760
the same thing that was before the the

993
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,839
rules exist.

994
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,520
Can we

995
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
possibly do we talk about it now or

996
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,240
>> you can and just again please use the

997
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,040
microphone.

998
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,280
>> This is the only one that I'm kind of

999
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,400
apprehensive of.

1000
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,119
>> Yeah. And so we so staff shares that

1001
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,160
concern and we have not included it in

1002
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,640
the proposed ordinance at this time. But

1003
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,720
if the commission would like us to um

1004
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,079
it's something that we could do move

1005
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,800
forward to the town council and the town

1006
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,280
council may consider it independently as

1007
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,240
well. Um but uh if the commission would

1008
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,160
like to put it forward and your

1009
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,079
recommendation we could do that and

1010
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,160
>> I think we probably want to suspend the

1011
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,079
final deliberation till after public.

1012
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,920
>> Yeah that definitely definitely and this

1013
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,440
one I think is actually important. And I

1014
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,640
know we have a member of public who

1015
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,640
submitted a desk item was here this

1016
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
evening um that has expressed some

1017
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,069
concerns with this exact situation.

1018
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,960
» Um so yeah, we can um so uh it is

1019
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,640
brought up and so now I'm getting you

1020
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,160
know this kind of concludes what the

1021
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,359
changes we made uh uh regarding the

1022
00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:22,319
commissioner's um u direction at the

1023
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:24,400
last meeting. And we do have some desk

1024
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,440
items. um one desk item um and we can

1025
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,079
start with that one is uh actually very

1026
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,480
supportive of the different changes

1027
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,400
specifically the second driveways are

1028
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,920
noted.

1029
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Um they also at the end are looking for

1030
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,160
kind of you know to ensure that we are

1031
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,680
uh doing an amnesty program. And so at

1032
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,160
the end of the

1033
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,839
um the ordinance, what we've done is

1034
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:58,720
just really try to keep it simple and

1035
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,640
just clarify because this is a zoning

1036
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
code and a zoning code doesn't really

1037
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,839
deal with building standards. And um so

1038
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:10,000
in the zoning code, what we wanted to

1039
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,560
acknowledge is that based on this state

1040
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,520
law that there is uh a process in which

1041
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,400
someone can apply to legalize an

1042
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,440
unpermitted ADU. Um the state law talks

1043
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:24,800
about something that was unpermitted

1044
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,800
prior to uh 2020. Um, and what in this

1045
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,480
particular case, there's different

1046
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,800
things spelled out in the state law. Um,

1047
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,720
people, they can have a third-party

1048
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,480
inspector. Uh, the town um will be

1049
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,440
considering if it's if it's to even that

1050
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,040
they could have a town inspector come

1051
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,520
out for a fee ahead of the the time,

1052
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,960
kind of see what items need to be

1053
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,560
corrected. Um, so this is actually in

1054
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,319
place already. It's a state law, so we

1055
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,240
have to have it. Um and one of the key

1056
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,160
components of it is that there's a

1057
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,560
checklist. Uh so that has been prepared

1058
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,240
by the building department. It is on the

1059
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,680
town's website. Uh as well as um the

1060
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,960
building department has been made aware

1061
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,800
of this provision and they are aware of

1062
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,440
it. And so they'll help assist

1063
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
applicants to provide the minimum

1064
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,520
information necessary to comply with the

1065
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,000
health and safety requirements. Um and

1066
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,400
specifically the state law cites health

1067
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,040
and safety code. Um and so they'll have

1068
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,800
to comply with those. We didn't want to

1069
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,680
get too far into that in the zoning code

1070
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,200
um just because it wasn't really the

1071
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
right place for it. And the building

1072
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,079
code is just these are health and safety

1073
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,280
code. That's stuff that's already in

1074
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,760
place. And so setting up the process

1075
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,520
will allow us to be a little bit nimble

1076
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,319
and be flexible and adjust that process

1077
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:47,119
when we find there's deficiencies in it

1078
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,800
um if that occurs. And so therefore, uh,

1079
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,720
we have it's something that is already

1080
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,400
allowed and this is recognizing that

1081
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:10,790
it's allowed.

1082
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,720
Okay. Um, and so, uh, so that was

1083
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,079
something that was brought up in that

1084
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,319
same desk item. you know, they just want

1085
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,319
to note that we're moving forward with

1086
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,640
implementing an amnesty program. And so

1087
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,880
the answer to that is yes, we are. Uh it

1088
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,680
is implemented. Um we're happy to take

1089
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
feedback from public and and how can we

1090
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960
make it more clear uh as people start to

1091
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,720
go through this process. But the town

1092
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,160
has developed a checklist based on um a

1093
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,240
sample that's been used by other cities

1094
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,960
as well as the association of Bay Area

1095
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,560
Governments. um provide a sample. So,

1096
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,160
we've kind of geared it towards

1097
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,839
Woodside.

1098
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:52,880
Um

1099
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880
>> this is this is as per the language

1100
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,920
hasn't changed since last.

1101
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,119
>> Correct. We did not change anything from

1102
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,880
the last meeting. Um and so we also have

1103
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
another desk item um that member of the

1104
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:09,119
public is here uh and is looking at

1105
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,079
how to adjust the municipal code for

1106
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:17,359
ADUs as it relates to SB9 which SB9

1107
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,599
you know there's other SB9s now. So but

1108
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,119
the one that everyone's familiar with is

1109
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,640
generally referred to as urban lot

1110
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,640
splits. So you can split a lot under

1111
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,960
certain circumstances and build two

1112
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,960
units on each lot. Uh that law does not

1113
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,240
require that you have to have ADUs. Um

1114
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,560
but the desk item brings up the fact

1115
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,079
that

1116
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,680
when SP9 was first passed, the town

1117
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,440
limited it to maximum of two 800 foot

1118
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,000
units on each slot because that is what

1119
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,319
had to be allowed by the state. And so

1120
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:53,040
the town did that, adopted that code. Um

1121
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,800
there has since been new state

1122
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,319
legislation

1123
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,720
um known as SB450

1124
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,560
which has updated this government code

1125
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,319
section and it provides more flexibility

1126
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:08,000
for over 800 square ft. If someone if

1127
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,880
someone can meet the objective criteria.

1128
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,960
So things like the height limit, the

1129
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,319
floor area limit, um staying out of 35%

1130
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,640
slopes, the setbacks, those are all very

1131
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,680
objective um uh criteria. And so if

1132
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,599
someone can meet that objective

1133
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:26,400
criteria, what the state law says is you

1134
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,839
have to allow the underlying

1135
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:32,160
zoning requirements that are already

1136
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,720
there. So for example, if someone's

1137
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,160
allowed a two a 4,000t house and they

1138
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,040
could meet all the objective standards

1139
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,480
by having two 2,000 foot houses, the

1140
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
town would allow that. It has to allow

1141
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,760
it. It's just a state law. And so, um,

1142
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,040
while the staff recognizes the comments

1143
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,240
from the member of the public,

1144
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,480
uh, it's it's a slightly different

1145
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,079
animal, um, and it is something that

1146
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,559
when given the updates to the state law,

1147
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,160
when someone has a project, we're happy

1148
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,400
to sit down with folks and see what

1149
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,240
their proposal is and how it may or may

1150
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,920
not fit into that state law. Uh and but

1151
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,559
um sometime soon uh got a little bit

1152
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,079
behind this year on some different

1153
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,960
items, but uh we will be updating our

1154
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,359
code to have more clarity on that

1155
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:27,040
locally. Um and that's at at the time in

1156
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,200
which if the town wants to also consider

1157
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,800
ADUs in addition to those duplexes, uh

1158
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,240
they it'd be that would be the best time

1159
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,599
to separate.

1160
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,960
>> Has has anyone used SP9 to make duplexes

1161
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,280
in town? So we have um a particular

1162
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,640
proposal from a member of the public

1163
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,680
who's here tonight. Um and uh it's going

1164
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,440
through the process. Uh that was the

1165
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,440
first one submitted to the town. And

1166
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,520
then we have um believe two more

1167
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,559
applications that have come in. One is a

1168
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,119
project that went through ASRB and maybe

1169
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,040
even the planning commission. forget if

1170
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,720
they needed some type of exception, but

1171
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,200
it was a full buildout of main house,

1172
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,800
ADU,

1173
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,680
uh, swimming pool, and

1174
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,240
they are now coming in to kind of place

1175
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,839
a property line between the

1176
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:16,800
developments. Um, and it looks like

1177
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,119
they'll probably be able to do that. One

1178
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:20,720
of the biggest constraints that people

1179
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:23,119
run into in trying to split the lots,

1180
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,280
it's really access to sewer and septic

1181
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,119
feasibility. Um that's still a health

1182
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,200
and safety constraint. That's makes it

1183
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,960
more difficult in a place like Woods to

1184
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,000
split the pipes.

1185
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,640
>> Well, if you have only one sewer

1186
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,040
connection allocated, you have to now

1187
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,240
get another sewer allocation and that

1188
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,200
may not be available. Um and so

1189
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,640
>> state would state law force it to

1190
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,680
happen?

1191
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,599
>> No, because there's there has to be

1192
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,200
capacity of the sewer plant. There has

1193
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,240
to be capacity in your pipes. Um so the

1194
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,280
town is just wrapping up a sewer study

1195
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,720
for the town center area district and um

1196
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,599
that will show that you know there is

1197
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,800
limited capacity. And so what it means

1198
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,240
is you still have your one sewer

1199
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,839
connection that you're allowed but your

1200
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,880
other lot now has to show septic. Um and

1201
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,920
so one of the examples that I uh talked

1202
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,000
about tonight that's what they're doing.

1203
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,680
They're going to see if they can get uh

1204
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,800
sewer, but they are planning for septic

1205
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,559
as a as a um backup

1206
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,440
plan if they can't get sewer.

1207
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480
Um so, so with that desk item, we do

1208
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,760
understand a comment and something we

1209
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,440
want to tackle a little bit more as a

1210
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,520
full con comprehensive review of the

1211
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,760
SP9, SP450.

1212
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,599
>> Well, I a chance.

1213
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:44,630
>> Yeah, you'll get a chance. Yep.

1214
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,720
I move away from this accessory

1215
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,280
>> microphone.

1216
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,839
>> And if I figure this out. All right.

1217
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,640
That better. I haven't moved on from

1218
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,559
that. There was a letter sent by Carrie

1219
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,160
Diller.

1220
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,280
>> On the second page of the letter, she

1221
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,440
gave a suggestion

1222
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,079
about a pre-application walkthrough.

1223
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,119
Mhm.

1224
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:13,680
>> Can you can you talk more about that?

1225
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,119
>> Sure. I found that interesting.

1226
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,359
>> Yeah. No, so definitely what the state

1227
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,880
law says is that um cities have to allow

1228
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,480
someone to submit a third party uh uh

1229
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,319
inspection as part they so someone can

1230
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:28,960
go hire like sometimes before people buy

1231
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,880
a house they'll uh have some home

1232
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
inspector come in to see if there's any

1233
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,920
deficiencies. So, uh, the state law says

1234
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,880
someone can do that, but the town is

1235
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,800
looking at the possibility of actually

1236
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,520
having a town inspector, um, if the if

1237
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,880
the applicant wants to, it would be

1238
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,119
forced upon them, but if they wanted to,

1239
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:48,559
maybe there's a fee associated with

1240
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:50,079
that, um, that they would actually have

1241
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,400
a town inspector go out there who could

1242
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,480
provide some areas in which they would

1243
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,960
have to bring up to code uh, to comply

1244
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,800
with the state law and they could work

1245
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,920
handinand with the building department

1246
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,720
plan checker. um to try to provide ease

1247
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:09,109
of that process.

1248
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,760
» I really like that because I think in

1249
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,440
the spectrum of well-built stuff that

1250
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,559
you're going to grandfather to stuff

1251
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,559
that

1252
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,200
was cobbled together. It's a very wide

1253
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,520
spectrum. I think having the town decide

1254
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,079
where it is in that spectrum before

1255
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:35,040
grandfathering it is really valuable and

1256
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,720
doing it in a way that's safe for the

1257
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,319
homeowner.

1258
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:39,200
So any

1259
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,240
>> Yeah. No, that it's it's uh we agree. Um

1260
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,000
I think right now it's just looking at

1261
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,559
resources and how that would work, but

1262
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,880
uh it is definitely a possibility that's

1263
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,599
being considered.

1264
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,839
>> The way she wrote it, it's something we

1265
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:52,960
could charge a fee for. So

1266
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,319
>> correct. No, correct. Yeah, just

1267
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,960
sometimes it's a matter of time as well.

1268
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,359
Great.

1269
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:00,559
>> And so, but uh but yes, uh so we're

1270
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,960
working with the building department and

1271
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,640
you know, we also have contract

1272
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,200
inspectors. So, um sometimes it's a

1273
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,440
matter of just getting more inspectors

1274
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,440
um if that's necessary. Uh so, we're

1275
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,880
just looking at how to best roll that

1276
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,119
out. One of the topics we were chatting

1277
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,920
about last time was also just like the

1278
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,920
level of bindingness or not bindingness

1279
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,559
because again with contract inspectors

1280
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,880
we want to be careful that like

1281
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,960
>> is is their word creating some

1282
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,119
obligation for the town right

1283
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,559
>> they didn't flag something

1284
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,319
>> correct yeah yeah

1285
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:34,720
>> so I think there I think

1286
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:35,920
>> we were talking about it being sort of

1287
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,760
more advisory than funding

1288
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,160
>> yeah no we did talk about this last time

1289
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,160
that um you know there might be certain

1290
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,160
things that, you know, without opening

1291
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,480
up a wall, somebody may not be able to

1292
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,359
see.

1293
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:49,280
>> Uh, so there would definitely be any

1294
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,880
kind of caveats on things that they

1295
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,559
could see. Um, but

1296
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,960
>> I apologize if I've kind of recircled.

1297
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,200
>> No, it's okay. Um, and no, it's a good

1298
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,440
conversation and, um, Carrie Diller is

1299
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,319
actually um, online, so she'll get a

1300
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:03,839
chance to help speak to this when it's

1301
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:06,400
public comment time.

1302
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Um, okay. So, those were two of the desk

1303
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,599
items. So, we dealt with the support for

1304
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,559
most of the items uh really encouraging

1305
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,119
a robust uh amnesty program through the

1306
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,119
building department. And then um we also

1307
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,800
received uh another desk item um just

1308
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200
later this afternoon and that one

1309
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,240
expresses some concerns with allowing

1310
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,200
more flexibility for some of the ADUs uh

1311
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,800
outlining

1312
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,240
um that uh these things do not have to

1313
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,359
go through public hearings and that to

1314
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,440
be very careful on providing more

1315
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,599
flexibility. One of the biggest concerns

1316
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,680
raised that I've seen in the letter,

1317
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
I've actually worked uh with this person

1318
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,079
on this is um the ups sloping lots and

1319
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,913
the visibility and the kind of the

1320
00:55:56,913 --> 00:55:58,400
[clears throat] imposing features that

1321
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,960
come with that. Uh so uh this desk item

1322
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,559
um clearly indicates that uh does not

1323
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,000
support the UPS slope lot uh provision

1324
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,440
which we have not included in the

1325
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,200
ordinance. Um there are some other

1326
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,079
questions in this desk item. I'm happy

1327
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,000
to answer any if the the commission

1328
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,559
would like me to do so. Uh we have

1329
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,799
looked at our ADU production. Uh we will

1330
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:27,040
based on some of the suggestions here.

1331
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,040
We just recently started kind of

1332
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,760
tallying up the number of ADUs month by

1333
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,599
month. Um which actually is a really

1334
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,200
great thing for us. It's helped us to

1335
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,280
keep track a little bit better. And with

1336
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,880
this suggestion, one of the things we're

1337
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,240
also going to do is clarify in the new

1338
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:43,920
director's reports, it's not in this one

1339
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,319
today, but the new director's reports to

1340
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:50,559
have not only the number of units that

1341
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,680
are on this current year, but from the

1342
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,599
previous years and break them down by

1343
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,240
ADU and single family dwellings. Um,

1344
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:00,240
there is questions about, you know, if

1345
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:07,040
the town is meeting its ADU goals. Uh I want to note that there is a housing

1346
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,240
target goal um that should be a various

1347
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,319
types of housing but at the end of the

1348
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:15,359
day it's the number of units um but

1349
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:18,079
looking at varied housing types and so

1350
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,319
we've reszone sites for multif family as

1351
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:22,480
a housing type and then we have the

1352
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,200
single family and the ADUs as different

1353
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,920
housing types. So there's not a specific

1354
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,040
number of ADUs that we need to hit. Um,

1355
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,440
I'll note that, uh, we're we're not, you

1356
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,520
know, we're we're into our fourth year

1357
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,960
now of this housing element cycle and

1358
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,160
we're about a third of the way into what

1359
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,400
we need to complete just from a number

1360
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,160
of units standpoint. Um, so

1361
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,079
with the different changes, you're

1362
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,359
starting to see more increased

1363
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:56,640
production of ADUs. So whereas we may

1364
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,760
not be exactly where we need to be today

1365
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,240
with additional changes, it could help

1366
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,119
to increase production at the later

1367
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,680
years of this cycle to help us meet the

1368
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,040
numbers. Um so

1369
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,839
>> the cycle has four years left, right?

1370
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:14,480
>> Yeah, it goes through 2031 and I have to

1371
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,720
figure out exactly when they I think

1372
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,839
they're still going to count some units

1373
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,559
in 2031. Um

1374
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:21,359
>> but yes,

1375
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:22,559
>> there's there's actually no way we're

1376
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,559
going to hit our target.

1377
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:25,920
the e is the one that we were trying to

1378
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,040
hit our target with the with the large

1379
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,400
multif family 10 per acre type units and

1380
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,000
none of those are broke ground or have

1381
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,280
plans at all. So there's no

1382
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,599
>> no we we have one um so two of them are

1383
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,400
town owned sites and part of the step

1384
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,839
that we're doing right now is they both

1385
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:44,960
need to be accessed by sewer. Um so the

1386
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,880
town is wrapping up its sewer capacity

1387
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,680
study to see

1388
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,720
>> you think it's done in four years

1389
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:49,520
though.

1390
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,880
>> Well you have to get a permit issued.

1391
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,200
Um so that is that's the bar in which

1392
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:59,119
the unit is counted. Um so many a cycle

1393
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:02,880
or two ago the HCD used to count units

1394
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,880
final. Um and now that they've they have

1395
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,559
significantly increased the number of

1396
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:10,960
units that need to be produced yet they

1397
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,680
have changed the bar to permits issued.

1398
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,880
So it makes it a little bit easier to to

1399
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,200
hopefully meet their targets um within

1400
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,400
that time frame.

1401
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,079
>> But there's no no judgment. I just I

1402
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:23,599
just think practically no way we're

1403
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,280
going to hit it.

1404
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,799
>> I think that the big So if if the 80s

1405
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:30,960
alone are trending towards like call it

1406
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,000
2/3, the only way you get there is

1407
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,720
looking at the town sites which I know

1408
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,079
>> it seemed like before all of the

1409
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,640
issues with various staff members that

1410
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,319
things were starting to make progress

1411
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:45,680
towards having proposals and getting

1412
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,119
those agendaized. So I mean I think

1413
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:47,599
that's something

1414
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,079
>> and and so that's still on track. Um,

1415
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,000
you know, this again, this step, uh,

1416
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,559
really was to figure out sewer capacity.

1417
00:59:54,559 --> 00:59:57,119
Um, and so that should be wrapping up, I

1418
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,599
believe, maybe even in the next week.

1419
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,040
Um, so I know the public works

1420
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,720
department has been working on that and

1421
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,240
that'll be released to the public as

1422
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,040
soon as that's ready.

1423
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
>> And is that like an ASIS assessment?

1424
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,839
>> It is an assessment primarily of the

1425
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,880
town center sewer assessment district.

1426
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,640
Um uh the

1427
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,359
both of the town owned sites run would

1428
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:22,960
have run through pipes that use the the

1429
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,880
pipes that are used for the town center

1430
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,119
district. Um, and then I'll also note

1431
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:31,200
that there is uh one private proposal um

1432
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,960
at 773 Kinyatta Road and that applicant

1433
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,920
has filed for a subdivision map um

1434
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,680
hasn't applied for the permits to

1435
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,839
construct yet uh but is in the middle of

1436
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:44,160
that process. It's at the very northern

1437
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,760
end of town on the east side of the

1438
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,359
freeway.

1439
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,040
>> Uh yes.

1440
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,160
>> Question Sage with regards to Kimberly's

1441
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,359
email. Is she present? Yes.

1442
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:57,280
>> Okay. Just because I I had the same

1443
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,240
feeling that you did. This was the only

1444
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,160
different one and I just wanted to make

1445
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,599
sure that I heard from her.

1446
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,359
>> Yep. Yeah. No, she'll she'll have an

1447
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,520
opportunity to speak and you know, as we

1448
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,079
noted, we share similar concerns

1449
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,960
regarding the UPS slope adus.

1450
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,040
>> So, the last question on potentially off

1451
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,200
topic for this one, but with this the

1452
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,839
sewer study, is that also going to look

1453
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,400
at if improvements need to be made for

1454
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:23,359
the long term?

1455
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:24,960
>> Yes. Well, I

1456
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:25,760
>> center

1457
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,319
>> yes I believe it will start to do that

1458
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:31,040
in terms of you know what

1459
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,880
I'm not 100% sure I haven't been deeply

1460
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,160
involved with that but my understanding

1461
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,240
is if it's not at this point at some

1462
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,440
point in the near future it's going to

1463
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,760
be looking at what are the solutions and

1464
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,119
potential costs for those kinds of

1465
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,839
things.

1466
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:48,319
Um so that concludes my presentation. Um

1467
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:50,160
if you I'm happy to answer any other

1468
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,839
questions or if not we can open up to

1469
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:53,440
the public. I know we have two members

1470
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,760
of the public in the room as well as we

1471
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,160
have um some members of the public

1472
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,440
online who would wish to speak

1473
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,440
anyone else on our side.

1474
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:04,960
>> Okay. In that [clears throat] case we

1475
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:11,109
will open public comment.

1476
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,852
» Well goes first.

1477
01:02:14,852 --> 01:02:16,240
[laughter]

1478
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,000
>> Okay. I have three minutes I believe

1479
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,240
right?

1480
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:18,799
>> Yes. Yep.

1481
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:22,000
>> Okay. So, um again, uh you may or may

1482
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,280
not be familiar with the details of SB9.

1483
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,960
>> Sorry. Do you mind stating just name

1484
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,160
addressable?

1485
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,640
>> I'm Vertaft, 16 Preston Road. I am

1486
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,079
Woodside resident since 2012.

1487
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,319
I lived in the area since 1982. After I

1488
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:43,520
graduated from UCLA, I moved up here and

1489
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,720
I basically I work in high-tech. I I do

1490
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,520
AI nowadays. It's not unusual. So, um uh

1491
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,040
SB9

1492
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,040
um really is a companion legislation for

1493
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,200
all the ADU stuff and uh once a property

1494
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,119
is divided

1495
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:07,680
uh and there are either it's two ADUs on

1496
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:12,480
one parcel or or it's a single duplex.

1497
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,119
the uh it's known only to God,

1498
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,799
tax collector, planning department and

1499
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:24,400
the mortgage bank. There are many family

1500
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,280
situations and business situations when

1501
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,400
that uh uh SB9

1502
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,000
lot split makes things much easier. For

1503
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,760
example, you know, when it comes to

1504
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,000
financing, for example, there are other

1505
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,079
scenarios or when kids want their aging

1506
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:46,319
parent move to a smaller house and live

1507
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,599
in a bigger house. There are many

1508
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,520
scenarios. Um, back in 2022, if you go

1509
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,880
to Chad GPT, for example, and you ask

1510
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,680
related questions, you would say the

1511
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,599
very first thing you would hear would be

1512
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,079
Woodside became nationally known in 2022

1513
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:07,119
for initially attempting to pause as

1514
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,640
benign implementation using the mountain

1515
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,920
line habitat argument. You may remember

1516
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,920
this. It was like my wife was saying

1517
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,079
don't wear this cap when you go to when

1518
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,039
you go shopping. It says Woodside

1519
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:22,319
volunteer.

1520
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,119
>> So my suggestion is to avoid that type

1521
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,160
of situations for the sake of all of us

1522
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,240
the the town people working in the town

1523
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,359
doing really hard and prudent work and

1524
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:36,960
people who are residents of the town. um

1525
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,359
to um include to make sure that when we

1526
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:46,240
phrase uh any ordinances related to AD

1527
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,960
ADUs, they are balanced as it relates to

1528
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,280
SB9. for example.

1529
01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:00,390
Um, and I put it in the um

1530
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,510
here um

1531
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,000
the proposed uh phrasing or which which

1532
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,559
may stay immutable for you know the time

1533
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:16,640
to come. Maybe any increased multi-unit

1534
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,319
or size allowances approved for ADUs

1535
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:23,440
shall apply equally to duplexes created

1536
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,319
via SB9 L split on qualifying parcels

1537
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:30,880
for example and unfortunately that

1538
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,280
proposal didn't pass

1539
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,240
from what I hear 1,200 square foot

1540
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,240
maximum which really makes sense

1541
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,559
financially if someone looks at it from

1542
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,000
the you know what is the ROI on this

1543
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,160
investment and unless you are a large

1544
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,559
developer doing multi-unit building

1545
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:52,319
hooked up to municipally subsidized uh

1546
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,960
sewer system but if you are a kind of a

1547
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,400
regular guy who needs to deal with u you

1548
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,079
know septic additional septic all the

1549
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,000
permissions and spend hundreds of

1550
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,799
thousands of dollars literally to go

1551
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:10,799
through the process right um make it uh

1552
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:14,559
make it fair keep it balanced and not

1553
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,520
create any uh grounds for additional

1554
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,799
lawsuits which the town has a lot of. I

1555
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:22,960
mean we all know about closed sessions

1556
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:28,000
and so on. Um it has to be very balanced

1557
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,880
and for the sake of the town's PR it has

1558
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,359
to be very balanced and aligned with the

1559
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,760
intent of the state law. That's all I

1560
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:50,789
wanted to say and thank you very much.

1561
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:55,920
Um, hi. So, what Kim Hansen, Ray Mundo,

1562
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,079
um, and what I found out through this

1563
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,039
ADU process is that the public, myself

1564
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,119
included, we don't know anything about

1565
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:09,760
ADU law. We don't know how I mean

1566
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,559
ministerial review when I looked it up

1567
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:15,760
on chat GPT it said that that means

1568
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,839
rubber stamp

1569
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:21,200
um and that really concerns me and so

1570
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,039
this all started um from for my newfound

1571
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,680
awareness was that it was uh there's a

1572
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,160
project in our neighborhood and I asked

1573
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,760
a couple of the neighbors I'm like well

1574
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,079
hey you know do you know that these are

1575
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:37,839
the two neighbors on either side of this pro this project. I'm like, do you

1576
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:38,960
know what's going on? And they said,

1577
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,559
"No, we don't know what's going on." So,

1578
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,359
if there is some type of they said, "No,

1579
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:46,559
we don't know what's going on." But the

1580
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,039
way this works is that we get the chance

1581
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:52,960
to be alerted about what's going on and

1582
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,960
we get to make comments and the planning

1583
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,119
commission will, you know, take a look

1584
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,280
at the project and be able to give their

1585
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,720
input. So, what I've learned through

1586
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,960
this process is that no, that's not

1587
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,839
true. It's a rubber stamp thing. Um the

1588
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:08,400
other thing that was so I said, "Huh,

1589
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,400
okay. Well, so I reached out to planning

1590
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,119
um not to Sage originally. He was very

1591
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:18,000
helpful and I'm grateful for that." Um

1592
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
and what I found out, so I asked,

1593
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,520
"What's the deal with the project?" One

1594
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,600
of the planners said, "Oh, it's a 1500

1595
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,400
square foot ADU." Another planner said,

1596
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,920
"It's a 2200 foot ADU." So, one of my

1597
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,159
questions is and and and so this ADU is

1598
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:36,480
actually three levels

1599
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:40,000
with a rooftop deck

1600
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,799
with patios

1601
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:46,799
in an active landslide zone. It also has

1602
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:50,719
a very steep driveway and there's a

1603
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:52,960
water management and lack of a drainage

1604
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,839
plan. And then I was like, "Okay." And

1605
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:57,279
my husband's like, "Well, don't you have

1606
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:58,560
anything better to do?" And I'm like, I

1607
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,199
can't stop. So, I continued asking

1608
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:05,279
questions and I was like, okay, so you

1609
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,839
know who who's the building inspector?

1610
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:09,199
Oh, well, Woodside doesn't have a

1611
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,159
building inspector. We use not building

1612
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,440
inspector, the geotech person. I'm like,

1613
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:18,319
okay, well, so who do we use? We use

1614
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,319
consultants. How do you know which

1615
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,159
consultant? Uh, I don't know. We have to

1616
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:23,920
get back to you. Like all of these

1617
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,000
layers for the rubber stamp is a

1618
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,679
problem. And my concern is that I use a

1619
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,920
portion of the Crystal Springs Trail

1620
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,199
that is downhill from this massive

1621
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:39,199
project in an active landslide zone that

1622
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:42,000
um the trail could be affected.

1623
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,040
And I'm I'm just really uncom and my

1624
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,359
concern isn't really about how things

1625
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,799
look because I mean I feel I mean unless

1626
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,239
it was pink and then I would have a

1627
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:56,320
concern but um I I feel like it's a

1628
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,520
safety concern, right? Like state law

1629
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,040
says the state law says that um from

1630
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,320
2020 law sets housing as a highest goal

1631
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,000
and while it requires more relaxed

1632
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,000
development standards it does not

1633
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,719
sanction unsafe sighting sighting within

1634
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:15,520
a fault zone on a landslide in a flood

1635
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,280
zone or in a manner which does not

1636
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,040
comply with emergency response

1637
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,280
requirements. So, I kind of went into

1638
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,280
more detail in the email um that I sent

1639
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,600
you all and I'm guessing I don't have

1640
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,199
time. I don't know if you've had time to

1641
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:31,840
read it or if you want to grant me more

1642
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,320
time, but my my concern is that we're

1643
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,640
going to rubber stamp these projects

1644
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,000
that affect not only the applicant but

1645
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,280
properties around there. Um it it's I

1646
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,560
mean I I am a property rights person for

1647
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,520
everyone in town, not just the applicant

1648
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,360
but the surrounding properties and my

1649
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,000
concern really is safety. So that's and

1650
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,120
I've learned quite a bit and I have more

1651
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,800
to learn and I want to thank you Sage

1652
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,760
for jumping in because um I was very

1653
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,080
frustrated until you helped me

1654
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,760
understand part of this. One last

1655
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,440
question is, is the size of a basement

1656
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:18,390
unlimited?

1657
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,600
» Like, I can speak to that. Um, the so

1658
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,400
there is a certain amount of basement

1659
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,040
grading that can occur on a property.

1660
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,280
And so, someone has a basement under a

1661
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,560
house and an ADU and under a barn.

1662
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,679
There's the cumulative grading that gets

1663
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:38,400
pulled out of the ground has a limit.

1664
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,760
And so you know 10 years ago or so there

1665
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,120
was no limits um because the way floor

1666
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,239
area calc is calculated is based on the

1667
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,719
above ground portions of the structure

1668
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:52,880
and so any portions of the structure

1669
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,880
that are below grade do not contribute

1670
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,159
towards the floor area limit. However

1671
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:00,239
those do contribute towards the grading

1672
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,400
limit for basements. So they are not

1673
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,640
unlimited.

1674
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,159
>> Okay. So just I mean I don't know if you

1675
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,360
knew this but your 800 square foot ADU

1676
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,640
your 1,200 your 1500 foot ADU especially

1677
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,880
if it's an UPS slope lot in a landslide

1678
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,960
zone with a steep driveway could

1679
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,520
actually be very much bigger than a 1500

1680
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,280
foot ADU and it will get rubber stamped

1681
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:31,350
and approved. Thank you.

1682
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,360
» Do we have any comments online?

1683
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,719
>> We do. We have a raised hand. And I

1684
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:37,520
believe it's Carrie Diller.

1685
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,960
Carrie, I've given you permission to

1686
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,120
speak. You just need to unmute.

1687
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,920
>> Uh I think I've unmuted. Am I coming

1688
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:44,159
through?

1689
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:44,800
>> Loud and clear.

1690
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,679
>> Yes.

1691
01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:51,280
>> Great. Thank you. Um I wanted to uh just

1692
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,120
commend a lot of the changes. I think

1693
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,520
they are um really going in a positive

1694
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,920
way that could help get to the numbers.

1695
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,840
Um, I think as I mentioned last time, we

1696
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,800
have 10 or 13 ADUs going in town and I

1697
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,880
think there is a path forward where we

1698
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,800
don't have to change the character, but

1699
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,440
we could add some more housing. Um, and

1700
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:10,960
I think the second driveway and other

1701
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,440
elements have been very positive. Um, I

1702
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,080
do want to build on advocating for

1703
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,400
pushing legalization further. There's a

1704
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,120
lot of ambiguity in the state law that

1705
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,120
while they give you a checklist, there

1706
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,360
aren't really third parties that want to

1707
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,760
come in and say

1708
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,480
um what is uh I think the language in

1709
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,640
the law is sound and sufficient for

1710
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,640
elements like foundations that were

1711
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,880
built in 1970. And while those

1712
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,440
foundations don't show any signs of

1713
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,520
cracking, there's no water infiltration,

1714
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,400
there's no signs of them not being okay,

1715
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,239
um, we have a lot of people living in

1716
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,400
illegal units that you don't know about.

1717
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,120
And there are some really good proactive

1718
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,000
life safety things that could come from

1719
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,000
these reviews where um, we could make

1720
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,679
sure that the egress windows and the

1721
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:02,960
life safety and exits are corrected or

1722
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,600
repaired for relatively low cost. And

1723
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,719
then we could use some logic and uh like

1724
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:10,159
if a building has been standing there

1725
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:12,400
since 1970 and shows no signs of

1726
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,800
problems that it's probably okay to

1727
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,120
continue. And I understand there is a

1728
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,199
gray area but the state's started

1729
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:20,480
something and I know it's not

1730
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,080
necessarily in the planning commission's

1731
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,400
purview. Um but I think we could really

1732
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,360
encourage a paid for service where the

1733
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,120
town comes out and works with people

1734
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,600
ahead of time to assess. we certainly

1735
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,360
have several clients that would be happy

1736
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,520
to participate in a um a you know

1737
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,360
program to see if it works um and we

1738
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,679
could go from there. Um and then I don't

1739
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:44,320
know if this brings any peace of mind to

1740
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,640
um my fellow resident in the room but

1741
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,440
the ministerial approval is only applied

1742
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,679
to planning. Uh so any geotechnical

1743
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:56,159
drainage structural requirements,

1744
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,880
building code interpretations, sewer

1745
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,960
utility connections, all are going

1746
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,360
through the fullblown review that any

1747
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,199
other building would go. So the

1748
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,360
ministerial approval from the state is

1749
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,480
only responding to a planning approval

1750
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,040
and not um all the other building code

1751
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,080
requirements if that helps at all. So

1752
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,310
thank you very much.

1753
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,199
Thank you.

1754
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:27,120
Okay. We have anyone else online?

1755
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,640
>> No, we do not.

1756
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,280
>> Okay.

1757
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,600
>> Can I um

1758
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,560
you mentioned that if you had more time

1759
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,840
you felt like you were not complete and

1760
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,159
I and I want to make sure that you feel

1761
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,640
complete.

1762
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,679
>> Can we grant her more time? I just I

1763
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:50,239
mean I I with everything that we

1764
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:51,600
received, this is kind of the only

1765
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,280
variant that is different and I just

1766
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,400
want to make sure you have your time.

1767
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,750
>> What?

1768
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,920
» Thank you. I appreciate that. And I also

1769
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,360
think it's because we just don't know. I

1770
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,520
really think that we could do a better

1771
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,520
job with the public understanding what

1772
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,000
AD ADU law is. Um, in 2020 there was a

1773
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,320
recommendation by town council that the

1774
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,159
adjacent neighbors would at least be

1775
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,080
informed if there was a project. I

1776
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:27,280
understand that um there's not you can't

1777
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,000
object to state law requirements, but

1778
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,880
you you know like you on a Sunday when

1779
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,239
your neighbors taking down 14 trees

1780
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,640
and you're like what is going on? Like

1781
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,159
from we just we could do better and that

1782
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:48,880
would be helpful. Um the you know and I I really I really think that some of

1783
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,360
the interpretation of state law has to

1784
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,679
be balanced with safety. You know we

1785
01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:57,120
have we have we have projects where

1786
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,760
driveways fail. We had multiple slides.

1787
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,360
We've got so much un

1788
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,719
um like not just the expansive soil but

1789
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:09,840
we have so many geological features. We

1790
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,840
used to say

1791
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,199
you're either close to the fault line or

1792
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,000
you're on some form of old landslide.

1793
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,080
And I know that most of the residents

1794
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,040
here are all affected by drainage

1795
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,679
problems as well. If your if your UPS

1796
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:28,800
slope neighbor um

1797
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,040
decides if they've got a leak or if they

1798
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,960
decide to route their water through your

1799
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,600
property, you know, we we personally our

1800
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,280
first house here, we had our septic tank

1801
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,000
fail because of water from construction

1802
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,600
debris

1803
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,480
um from their their activities. So, I

1804
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,440
mean, I understand we have to be

1805
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,760
compliant with state law, but I also

1806
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,480
feel like there is a responsibility to

1807
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:56,719
the town to put some guard rails and um

1808
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:00,560
I I understand as well that there is a

1809
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:06,480
desire to have more housing units, but the other parts in this process of

1810
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:08,719
understanding more was I found that the

1811
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:12,560
town really relies a lot on consultants.

1812
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,000
You know, we have our public works

1813
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,239
director who's in charge of both all the

1814
01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,560
public works as well as the building

1815
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,480
department. Sage has both consultants

1816
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:26,320
and staff employees. We have a a

1817
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,480
compliance officer that we're borrowing

1818
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,560
from another town who's here for one

1819
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,239
day. We have, you know, a consultants

1820
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:36,640
from from a geotech perspective that we

1821
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:38,560
don't even know who we're going to get.

1822
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,520
and there's there seems to be very

1823
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,679
they're they're working the capacity as

1824
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:46,719
someone from Woodside and they're giving

1825
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:50,400
um review. Uh, I appreciate um, Miss

1826
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,000
Diller who tried to make me feel better

1827
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,400
and I I love her for that. But I I guess

1828
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,520
I'm still feeling like as I looked into

1829
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,239
this process um, we are really leaning

1830
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:07,760
on a process for ADUs that is just

1831
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,760
um, it's it's kind of out of our control

1832
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,960
and it's it's also layered with

1833
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,960
neighbors not knowing what's going on.

1834
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,920
And it's also layered with some expect I

1835
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,840
mean it's layered with some assumptions

1836
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,679
that by complying with state law it's

1837
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:29,520
creating an unsafe environment. So

1838
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,040
please

1839
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,040
>> microphone

1840
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,840
>> reference to what we're deciding today I

1841
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,320
mean your point about guard rails. Do

1842
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,320
you have any concrete suggestions for

1843
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,560
what we are deciding today that would be

1844
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,920
helpful? Yeah, I I do. I feel like um we

1845
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,239
for the additional driveway option, I

1846
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:55,040
feel like there should be an additional

1847
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,560
there should be some additional language

1848
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,679
that talks about driveways if they

1849
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,480
exceed a 20% 20% grade because the

1850
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:04,320
current I think the language that you

1851
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,800
have in the current regulation just

1852
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,719
talks about the grade for the beginning

1853
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:10,719
part of the driveway, not the whole

1854
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:14,800
amount. It also doesn't talk about um it

1855
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,040
doesn't really in my mind address the

1856
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,920
fire safety apparatus. It doesn't talk

1857
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:25,040
about um the um the geology of the the

1858
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,800
land. It doesn't talk about a drainage

1859
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,600
plan. It also doesn't have any language

1860
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,840
about um how big this driveway can be.

1861
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,760
and we're going to count on a rubber

1862
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,600
stamp that they can just do it and hope

1863
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,719
that someone who's a consultant from,

1864
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,360
you know, Pleasanton or Fremont and and

1865
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,199
these these people don't, you can

1866
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:48,080
correct me if I'm wrong, Sage, but in

1867
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,640
one of the reports for this project that

1868
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,280
I looked at, it said that the geotech

1869
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:59,760
inspector didn't even go to the site. I I feel like I feel like it's it's just

1870
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,760
I feel like with your ordinance, maybe

1871
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,080
if you had some language that would call

1872
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,800
out certain conditions where we could

1873
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,719
look at it from the impacts instead of

1874
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,199
just rubber stamping it. And for floor

1875
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:18,480
area exceptions, I feel like if I I feel

1876
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:19,600
like there should be some language

1877
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,120
there, too. if they already have a lot

1878
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,360
of paved area, if there isn't any

1879
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,920
language about permeability for the for

1880
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,840
the um for the the materials you put on

1881
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,040
the ground, if you're adding patios, if

1882
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,440
you're adding more, all of these things

1883
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,400
should be looked at in conjunction for a

1884
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,560
whole project. Um, and if you're putting

1885
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,400
a big basement in, I feel like, you

1886
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,080
know, that that in addition should be a

1887
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,840
trigger for some type of additional

1888
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,800
oversight. Um

1889
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,760
and uh

1890
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,239
because this particular project with

1891
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:09,120
this UPS slope lot um also it's so it's basically three stories and they're

1892
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,560
going to have a rooftop deck

1893
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,800
>> just whatever this is about the the

1894
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,400
comment is about the the specific uh

1895
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,239
decision and regulations rather than a

1896
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,320
specific project. So if it's something

1897
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,360
that pertains to

1898
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,280
>> So for the specific regulation, I feel

1899
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,000
like if the project has a rooftop deck,

1900
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,719
if it has additional paved area for for

1901
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:35,920
patios, for garage, for any type of

1902
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,400
mechanical equipment, I feel like I feel

1903
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,560
like you all with the direction of

1904
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,360
planning should have numbers where it

1905
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,669
does trigger an additional oversight.

1906
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:50,480
you.

1907
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:54,550
>> Thank you.

1908
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,000
» All right, with that I think we will

1909
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,440
wrap up public comments and move to uh

1910
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:01,760
commissioner discussions.

1911
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,159
Anyone want to open?

1912
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,400
>> I'll open say sage I mean this is a

1913
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,960
perfect setup. How did this thing get

1914
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,560
approved without anybody knowing?

1915
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,280
>> Um so again you submit for a building

1916
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,600
permit and so that is what the process

1917
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,840
is. on the particular project. Uh it's

1918
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,800
the same as building a house. Um you

1919
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,639
have to comply with all geotechnical

1920
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:27,120
standards, all drainage requirements,

1921
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,600
all building codes. They have structural

1922
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,199
engineers, the design foundations and

1923
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:35,120
framing and structural all of that

1924
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,120
stuff. All the health and safety

1925
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,440
requirements are thoroughly reviewed.

1926
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,480
This particular project has been gone

1927
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,320
back to town's geotechnical consultants,

1928
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,040
looked at the engineering plans over

1929
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,960
with drainage, all of that stuff

1930
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,960
complies with the health and safety

1931
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,080
requirements to say that something might

1932
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,719
fail in the future.

1933
01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:01,360
It's the threshold is is meeting those

1934
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,159
current construction requirements. Um,

1935
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:07,840
and so that all of that occurs. I mean,

1936
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,199
I just it's it has to occur for the

1937
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:12,639
permits to be issued.

1938
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:16,000
>> I I I would actually encourage you to uh

1939
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,520
figure out if you can put AD on your

1940
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,600
property, go through the process and

1941
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,639
figure out that it's not a rubber stamp.

1942
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:24,480
As someone who's been through this on a

1943
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:28,159
very simple box on a very simple street,

1944
01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,480
it was two years of back and forth with

1945
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,239
the building to get through all of the

1946
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:35,280
hurdles, the geoteex four times, and it

1947
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,679
was ridiculous. So I I would be

1948
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:40,159
surprised if if there was any

1949
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,520
overstamping from the building

1950
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,679
department or really from PL from from

1951
01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:46,159
the group. So it may it may be a

1952
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:50,800
terrible project in your mind, but the codes you have to get through and

1953
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,719
the the annoyance it's like the reason

1954
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:57,679
why I'm here is there just annoyance of the process. It's hard. So I I

1955
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:00,000
actually not I would trust I trust the

1956
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,679
group. And the thing that we can't we

1957
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:03,120
can't get around is that we're a town of

1958
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,280
5,000. we can't and we already have a

1959
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:10,400
staff of 55 with like the town like we can't afford more than that. The only thing we can do is maybe

1960
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:11,840
consolidate with other towns and like

1961
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,120
create a big group which we don't want

1962
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,800
to do, right? So it's it's it's a pain.

1963
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,400
I mean the thing I I want to address too

1964
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,960
in terms of just the concept of a rubber

1965
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,480
stamp and heard the mentions of state

1966
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,800
law. I mean we've been at the ADU stuff

1967
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,719
for years so it like so so kneede in it

1968
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:30,880
it's it's ridiculous at this point. But

1969
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,199
the um I mean the state law does have

1970
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:35,280
certain requirements like an 800 foot

1971
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,400
ADU is required to be approved with a 4

1972
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,120
foot setback etc. So those are true but

1973
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,679
that doesn't obiate the need to do as as

1974
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:49,199
Commissioner Evans was pointing out the additional work. So I mean there certainly are things where we're

1975
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,400
bound and we are I mean we are bound

1976
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,560
heard about mountain lion gate again and

1977
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,040
you know when we try those things then

1978
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,120
uh we get angry letters from the state

1979
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,760
attorney general and we've seen how how

1980
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,120
we react in those cases. So I think

1981
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,639
we've done you know quite a bit of

1982
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:06,400
consideration of those and frankly

1983
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,560
tested the boundaries and see where they kind of hit

1984
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,960
it is true that there are certain things

1985
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,440
that we have no standing versus

1986
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,600
Sacramento but then others where as as

1987
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,040
Sage you're mentioning there's there's a

1988
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:19,920
number of approvals.

1989
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,760
>> Yeah. And what a lot of the stuff that

1990
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,159
we've done um and some of the stuff that

1991
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:26,000
we're doing now is directly related to

1992
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,400
state law whereas other things are

1993
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,040
trying to provide more flexibility to

1994
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:34,239
increase ADU production. Um but to the

1995
01:26:34,239 --> 01:26:36,320
speaker's comment it's something you

1996
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,520
know as a planner in 25 years it's

1997
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,679
important to understand what the

1998
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,199
applicant has to go through but it's

1999
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,639
also important to understand how that

2000
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:48,560
impacts neighbors. And so whenever we

2001
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,120
look at modifying regulation, it is an

2002
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,880
important consideration to look at both

2003
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:53,440
sides of that.

2004
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:56,000
>> Do do we have something that says uh

2005
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,600
once you get a permit to build that your

2006
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,760
neighbors get something that like a

2007
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:00,960
notice?

2008
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,320
>> No. Um there's only when so if an ADU

2009
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,560
needs some type of exception like that

2010
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,719
we were talking about before, we would

2011
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:13,040
notify the immediate neighbors. Um there

2012
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,360
are there are groups that feel that that

2013
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,760
shouldn't even be allowed um given to

2014
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,880
notify the neighbors. Um

2015
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,159
>> but the town

2016
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:27,440
>> both ways

2017
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,600
>> the town has

2018
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,600
when and if if someone complies with the

2019
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,000
setbacks and the size requirements and

2020
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,000
things like that. Um, just like any

2021
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
structure, if you build a barn that's

2022
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,639
1500 square feet, 2,000 square feet, um,

2023
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:43,120
you may not trigger any kind of process.

2024
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,320
Um, so

2025
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,080
>> if a process is not triggered, then

2026
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:49,360
there's no notice. They'll sort of see the construction take.

2027
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,800
>> Someone's going just through a building

2028
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,280
permit. Another example is solar panels

2029
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,120
and sometimes people construct these

2030
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,480
relatively large solar arrays that can

2031
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,800
the town cannot impose setbacks on other

2032
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,520
than health and safety. and next thing

2033
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,480
someone knows a large solar panel array

2034
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:08,960
is sitting in what appears to be their

2035
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:09,520
backyard.

2036
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:09,840
>> Yeah.

2037
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,000
>> So there are certain limitations.

2038
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,440
>> Sage, I I have a question. So in looking

2039
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:17,520
at all this criteria before you approve

2040
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,360
an ADU,

2041
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:23,040
uh you're mandated by the state even if

2042
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,719
one of these is not uh doesn't come up

2043
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:29,520
to the standards that you would normally

2044
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,440
use to approve a building. uh which is

2045
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:36,960
the aren't there some some criteria that

2046
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,639
are just not negotiable?

2047
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,159
>> Yes. And and those are the health and

2048
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,040
safety issues. So the geotechnical the

2049
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,600
structural the ability to connect to

2050
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,040
sewer or septic to have potable water um

2051
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,560
you know all of those things are not

2052
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,120
negotiable. Uh they do have to be in

2053
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,800
compliance. um the things that you know

2054
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,520
negotiable maybe not the right word but

2055
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:03,920
um that may need to have some some

2056
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,080
waiver as if you know it's what we were

2057
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,080
talking about earlier tonight the height

2058
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,159
>> yeah if you can if you can show that you

2059
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:11,600
cannot fit

2060
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,560
>> that ADU without say going into the

2061
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,159
front setback or maybe um into a natural

2062
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:20,880
state area um something that needs to be

2063
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,679
a little bit over height uh given the

2064
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:26,560
excuse me, slope of the property. Um,

2065
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,960
those are the kinds of things where the

2066
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:30,960
adjustments could be made, but when it

2067
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,560
comes to the health and safety, they

2068
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,639
have to meet all those regulations.

2069
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:35,920
>> All right, I'm going to move us forward

2070
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,679
to deliberating on the issue at hand,

2071
01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:39,120
which is the uh the

2072
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,040
>> Before we do that, could we just the SP9

2073
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,507
thing real fast?

2074
01:29:43,507 --> 01:29:43,760
[clears throat]

2075
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,520
>> So, it the I think in the SP9 it is is

2076
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:48,880
separate part of the code, isn't it?

2077
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,712
>> It's a separate part of the code. Um,

2078
01:29:50,712 --> 01:29:52,000
[clears throat] again, I understand the

2079
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,360
speaker's comments. Um, the when SP9 was

2080
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,360
first introduced, uh, I do want to

2081
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,040
clarify that we worked very hard to make

2082
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,480
sure that ordinance was done in

2083
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:03,440
complete. Um, and that there was a pause

2084
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:05,520
given a comment made about mountain

2085
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:06,880
lines, but two weeks later it was

2086
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,800
adopted. Just have to

2087
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,040
>> Yeah. Also, being part of that part of

2088
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,280
the process that was a it I recall the

2089
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,400
big draconian uh, rules to try to

2090
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:21,199
dissuade from anybody from doing it. It was you had to allow at least you had

2091
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:22,800
to allow up to 800 square foot units.

2092
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,000
Two 800 square foot.

2093
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,000
>> So, but it was like thou shalt fit this

2094
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,199
little bitty B. That's correct.

2095
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:29,920
>> So, I think I think your your basic

2096
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,760
instinct was correct and that it was

2097
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,600
designed or the code was designed to try

2098
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,760
to dissuade people from doing it. Um

2099
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,760
because that was the the whole town was

2100
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,520
mad years. Um so I I think some some

2101
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,520
rational thinking about what's actually

2102
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,120
practical for certain things might be

2103
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:45,760
useful to do.

2104
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:46,960
>> Yes. No, definitely that's going to be

2105
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,719
looked at further and and as I was

2106
01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:50,639
noting before that part of the

2107
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:54,080
government code section has been changed

2108
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,760
and so if someone does can comply with

2109
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920
the objective standards they could have

2110
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,719
larger units today. Um but let's say

2111
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,760
someone had to go into steep slopes um

2112
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,760
you just have to allow the 800 foot

2113
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,199
unit. So I think that's

2114
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:10,880
>> but but they but they could still so Mr.

2115
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,679
Taff could come to us for a variance

2116
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:16,639
from the always the option for the

2117
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:19,040
variance um as well as but I I I do want

2118
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,520
to note that it is on the town's

2119
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,480
workload to re one to make sure that our

2120
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:26,080
codes are just clear with the current

2121
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,600
state laws um but we are in fact

2122
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,000
implementing the state law currently um

2123
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,239
but uh outside of that does the town

2124
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:35,920
want to be a little bit more flexible so

2125
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,400
say somebody you know can't meet all of

2126
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,000
the stuff they have to go into the steep

2127
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,679
slopes maybe they could be a thousand

2128
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:43,600
square foot 1200 square foot units

2129
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,679
that's a discussion that the on should

2130
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:46,639
and will have

2131
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,719
>> or 800 feet off the one that's the steep

2132
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:50,560
slope and 1,000 ft for the flat part.

2133
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:51,040
What?

2134
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,239
>> Yes, there there's different

2135
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:53,920
>> but all that stuff could be done handled

2136
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,600
today on a variance.

2137
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:02,870
>> Today on a variance yes um uh with that

2138
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,990
microphone

2139
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,360
» I want to make sure I understand the

2140
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,440
implications of this. I mean, I think

2141
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:12,719
your request is that we attach what

2142
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:16,320
we're considering today to SB9, and I

2143
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,880
think what I'm hearing you say is it's

2144
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:23,440
in our list. We will focus on it, and we

2145
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,600
don't need to merge both. Let's keep

2146
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:26,320
them separate.

2147
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,080
>> I think right now it's important to be

2148
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,080
careful of taking all of these different

2149
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,400
adjustments and just applying them to

2150
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,520
SP9. Currently, SB9, SP450 doesn't

2151
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,280
require ADUs to be permitted. It can be,

2152
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,000
um, but right now under SP 450, like I

2153
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,320
said, you could have two 2,000 foot

2154
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,320
houses potentially if you can meet all

2155
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,080
of the objective standards. You could

2156
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,440
have four 1,000T houses if you split the

2157
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:54,080
lots. Um, and so there's different ways

2158
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:55,920
to meet the underlying zoning

2159
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,320
requirements that are already in place.

2160
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,400
So, someone's allowed a 6,000 foot

2161
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,080
house, you know, you could potentially

2162
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:10,149
have uh two uh 3,000 foot houses. So,

2163
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:12,719
» it's a different if if you don't mind

2164
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:14,639
approach the mic to be on the record.

2165
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:16,239
>> No, no, you you can speak. You just have

2166
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:17,440
to

2167
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,400
>> uh what you're referring to in about

2168
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,120
when they talk about SB450. It's in in

2169
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,960
my business, they call it a different

2170
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:29,440
use case. the use case for the basic SB9

2171
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,080
there is no need to uh put it on a

2172
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,880
different approval uh track or

2173
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,840
disapproval track because it's basically

2174
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,960
the same it's the same considerations we

2175
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,840
want to limit growth the way it's

2176
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,440
reasonable we don't want to uh have a

2177
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,880
lunches in our backyard uh we want it to

2178
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,520
look nice so there is really no need to

2179
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,960
differentiate between a do two ADUs. If

2180
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,280
we allow two ADUs,

2181
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,080
it's basically the same as having a

2182
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:06,719
duplex on that new lot and creating

2183
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:09,920
extra workload for even your team. It

2184
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,920
doesn't seem to be effective. More

2185
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,360
effective thing may be to consider it as

2186
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,679
just same

2187
01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,800
basically same track. Whenever we we say

2188
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,360
it can be done for the ADU and there's I

2189
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,800
can assure you there's no rubber

2190
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:25,760
stamping.

2191
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,280
As someone who is going through this

2192
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:32,080
process, there's no such thing. It's you have to go you have to jump

2193
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,560
through all the hoops except you have to

2194
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,040
do that jump through all the hoops at

2195
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,400
once which is doesn't make it less

2196
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,800
painful, less expensive

2197
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:43,920
just address the commission.

2198
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,320
>> So, so again my suggestion was just to

2199
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:51,920
have that one phrase added to the uh ADU

2200
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,840
legislation,

2201
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,520
right? And this way to kind of solve it,

2202
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,880
not not to allow more, not to go out of

2203
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,040
our way, but to just simplify it.

2204
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,800
>> So the the town had a lot of

2205
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:06,000
conversations about this a couple years

2206
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,360
ago. And so if to sort of squeeze it in

2207
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,080
would not be practical or or fair. So I

2208
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,280
think we'd have to keep them separate

2209
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:14,560
and then have a separate discussion

2210
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,000
because I do believe if we if we put

2211
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,400
something out that even changed small

2212
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,400
deviations to the current, there would

2213
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:21,920
be a lot of kind of input that we'd have

2214
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:23,360
to collect. Look, I think we've heard

2215
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,280
from Z. This is this is going to be put

2216
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,159
on the agenda.

2217
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:31,440
>> It is on the workload and it's not as simple as just taking all of

2218
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:33,440
the things we allow for ADUs.

2219
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:35,840
>> And one last thing just to

2220
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:37,440
>> and then we're done. But one last thing

2221
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,920
to add to the comment here is my

2222
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,480
instinct is to trust the people who are

2223
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:43,760
closer to it.

2224
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,159
>> And if he says if Sage says I want to

2225
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:49,840
treat it differently, like I I I I feel

2226
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,560
like I need to support that. I I work

2227
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:56,560
with Sage over the years, so I have

2228
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,880
Sage and his team have my full trust.

2229
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,639
>> Yeah. So, Sage has stated this will be

2230
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:02,320
on the agenda. So, I think we've heard

2231
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:03,920
the comment. We'll take this into

2232
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,679
account when that's when that's put on,

2233
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:07,520
but it wouldn't be something we'd be

2234
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,800
changing in the specific language that

2235
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,800
we'll be approving tonight or

2236
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:14,080
considering tonight, I should say.

2237
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:15,440
>> But, we definitely will continue to

2238
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:17,120
consider how to make things more

2239
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,280
flexible. It is on our work plan.

2240
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,000
>> Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. All

2241
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,719
right, we're going to move to mission

2242
01:36:24,719 --> 01:36:27,760
discussion at this point. And so what I

2243
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,520
would suggest, which worked well last

2244
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,159
time, is maybe we go just item by item.

2245
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:34,080
Uh if folks are okay with that and Sage,

2246
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,440
you had I think done a great job of kind

2247
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,840
of keeping us online

2248
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:38,320
rather.

2249
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,159
>> I could say I have no comments on the

2250
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:42,400
discussion of the the book.

2251
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,000
>> That might be a way I mean if if there's

2252
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,400
any any places in which people do want

2253
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,320
to discuss further, maybe focus on those

2254
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:48,719
areas.

2255
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:50,400
>> Okay. So I'll I'll keep us organized

2256
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,480
then. So the first thing we had was on

2257
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:55,920
the the driveways.

2258
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:03,030
Anything there? Good.

2259
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,840
uh the efficiency kitchen definition.

2260
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,280
Thought personally that was a good

2261
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,880
clarification

2262
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,080
and I went through purchasing and

2263
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,639
request of yours turning uh Amazon

2264
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:16,880
things to

2265
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:20,719
that was great air fryers. Exactly. uh

2266
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:23,760
the uncompacted and non-bonded gravel.

2267
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:25,679
To me that makes sense given we have

2268
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:28,239
these zero combustion zones now need to

2269
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:29,600
be sensitive to that

2270
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:31,440
>> and and that also to the speaker's

2271
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,199
comment you know when allowing this

2272
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,880
extra square footage the intent of the

2273
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,119
language is to make sure it is gravel

2274
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,040
and permeable. Um it wouldn't be

2275
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,840
something where someone puts pavers on

2276
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,600
top of sand even that's something that

2277
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,080
would not be accepted.

2278
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,360
>> Okay. Uh the mechanical equipment the 24

2279
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,119
in I thought was great objective

2280
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:52,880
standard so you can know it either

2281
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:56,320
implies or doesn't. So that's helpful.

2282
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,960
The 800 ft we debated that last last

2283
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,920
time. Um and that was an area we decided

2284
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,239
to be sort of less permissive and seems

2285
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,159
like we're still

2286
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:08,800
in agreement there. Okay.

2287
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,320
um the sanitization facilities. I think

2288
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:15,040
my comment there would be uh I I would

2289
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:19,840
ask uh that we request a you know some

2290
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,159
kind of guidance to our residents who

2291
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,320
may want to move on how to how to just

2292
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,840
>> Yeah. Well, we well I have a note that

2293
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,280
was where I was taking notes earlier.

2294
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,280
We'll include that in any restriction

2295
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:30,800
form that runs with the property.

2296
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,560
>> Okay. And then I think that the the big

2297
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,440
piece for discussion is uh the upward

2298
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:38,159
sloped lots and we've seen examples of

2299
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:39,920
that. So there's just a discussion of do

2300
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,639
we want to consider the inclusion of

2301
01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:44,880
that or not and maybe we can do a little

2302
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,040
straw poll on that or have comments on

2303
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:47,760
that.

2304
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,520
>> If you stall start but I'd say

2305
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,920
keep keep it in the keep it as it is now

2306
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,639
and require a variance that about it

2307
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:58,719
>> would be flexible.

2308
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:01,760
>> Such a sore point. because an issue is

2309
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:07,270
this very large

2310
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:10,719
» this would be very large issue uh to a

2311
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:14,080
lot of residents. So um I would error on

2312
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,360
the side of keeping

2313
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,080
>> and I and I know for a fact that you

2314
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,840
there is a certain size where you can

2315
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,360
slide in without having to come for

2316
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,960
variance on an ups slope. So there there

2317
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,639
is there is a possible if they have to

2318
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:27,920
do it. But

2319
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:29,199
>> my take here I think there there was an

2320
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:31,280
argument made that it's no worse than

2321
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,119
what it is because it's the same as a

2322
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:36,560
house. I think my counter to that is

2323
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,960
it's more structures.

2324
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,119
ADUs tend to be pushed towards the edges

2325
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:42,639
rather than houses which are

2326
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:43,360
>> that's right

2327
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,040
>> cited at the center. So,

2328
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,199
>> you know, while there's a lit literal

2329
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:49,199
interpretation that's not any worse, I

2330
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:52,320
think in practice it it doesn't seem to

2331
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:53,760
be the type of thing we need to throw in

2332
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,270
there.

2333
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,360
» Agree.

2334
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,360
>> There's something else. Um,

2335
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,159
>> speak now.

2336
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:04,239
>> I'm good. I mean, I'm uncomfortable with

2337
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,600
this. I actually have a lot of respect

2338
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:06,880
for Mr. Patrick.

2339
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:07,360
>> Yeah.

2340
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,159
>> Not surprised propos this. And I think

2341
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:12,560
that all these things that we've talked

2342
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,800
about today have edge cases, but they're

2343
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,719
kind of reasonable. I think this one's

2344
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:19,040
an edge case that I don't even I'm

2345
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:19,920
uncomfortable.

2346
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,679
>> So you you do not want to include it,

2347
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:22,000
correct?

2348
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:22,719
>> No. Yeah. Okay.

2349
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:24,000
>> I don't. And

2350
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,280
>> yeah.

2351
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:26,080
>> Okay.

2352
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:27,760
>> It's something we'll continue to explore

2353
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,560
as we move through ADU ordinances. Um

2354
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,760
should there be a way to maybe provide

2355
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,679
some better guard rails, we'll continue

2356
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:36,719
to look at that.

2357
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:40,400
>> Okay. So to sum up,

2358
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,719
>> do we still have the amnesty?

2359
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:45,119
>> And so that's still in the code and uh

2360
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,600
to the other speakers comments, um she's

2361
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:48,960
actually been really great and helpful

2362
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:50,960
in a lot of these things. We talk a lot

2363
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:56,880
about different ADU stuff and um she'll uh you know work with our billing

2364
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,560
department to help us keep that to to

2365
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,800
keep improving that process. And one of

2366
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,239
the things I've heard tonight as well as

2367
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:06,320
what we think at the staff level is to

2368
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,520
really figure out um how to make it

2369
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,800
possible to have a town inspector uh

2370
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,119
meet with somebody early on.

2371
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,600
>> And that is what I mean I think that

2372
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:21,280
resonated with me this pre-application

2373
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,000
process to make it safe for the

2374
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,480
homeowner. So I just I just want to

2375
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:28,400
reinforce that. Yeah,

2376
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,560
>> I think where we landed this one I don't

2377
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,239
I'm a bit fuzzy on where we landed was

2378
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:33,760
we're going to recommend to council to

2379
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:34,400
consider that.

2380
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:35,760
>> That's correct. Yeah, it's something we

2381
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,080
were kind of looking at um the building

2382
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,000
department. So, it's not it's not to to

2383
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,920
town council to consider

2384
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:43,199
>> providing resources towards

2385
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:45,280
>> resourcing it. Yeah, correct.

2386
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,800
>> We'll put that in the report to the

2387
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:47,199
council.

2388
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:48,719
>> Okay.

2389
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:50,400
>> And and by then we'll talk more with the

2390
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:51,920
building department to figure out

2391
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,520
exactly what that looks like.

2392
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,880
>> Okay. So what I think we are at is is

2393
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,480
asis with

2394
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,280
thank you as proposed with the

2395
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,920
additional ask of an offramp for people

2396
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:10,639
who want to move out of their homes and

2397
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:16,310
have a a path to do so.

2398
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,080
Would anyone like to make a motion on

2399
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:18,639
that direct

2400
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:21,440
>> motion?

2401
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:23,600
A motion to agree as proposed with one

2402
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,119
offramp for owners.

2403
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:28,320
>> Yeah. So the so the in terms of the we

2404
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:29,760
wouldn't be putting that in the

2405
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,480
municipal code but with the document for

2406
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:34,159
property owners they'd be informed how

2407
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,800
to do that. So as well as the other

2408
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,480
issue with the town inspector not

2409
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:40,320
putting it in the ordinance um but

2410
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:41,760
looking at that as a process to move

2411
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,600
forward. So we'll explain both of those.

2412
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,000
The town council and if you're okay with

2413
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,040
the um resolution as proposed you can

2414
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,280
make a motion to approve the uh draft

2415
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:51,840
resolution.

2416
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,119
>> Make a motion to approve the draft

2417
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:56,719
resolution as proposed. I second it.

2418
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:57,760
>> Chair Gar,

2419
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:58,400
>> yes.

2420
01:42:58,400 --> 01:42:59,840
>> Vice Chair Tober,

2421
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:00,480
>> yes.

2422
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:01,679
>> Commissioner Evans,

2423
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:02,080
>> yes.

2424
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,360
>> Commissioner Garco,

2425
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,920
>> yes.

2426
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,040
>> Right. Thank you.

2427
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,679
>> I just want to make one comment. Um,

2428
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:11,520
you've put a lot of time into this and I

2429
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,040
think there's nothing more annoying than

2430
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,480
coming here and getting three minutes.

2431
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,119
And it was easier today because there

2432
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:19,679
wasn't a lot of people, but I think it's

2433
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:21,840
important for folks like you to feel

2434
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,560
like at least you got your time.

2435
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,880
And I was I was hoping that at least you

2436
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:31,040
felt that. So,

2437
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,199
>> and Sage, there's no appeal process for

2438
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:34,159
this one. Correct.

2439
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:35,600
>> Correct. There's no appeal process other

2440
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:36,960
than nothing. So, this is a

2441
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,600
recommendation to the town council and

2442
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,560
so we have not agendaized it yet. Uh,

2443
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:43,920
now that this is through the planning

2444
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,760
commission, I'll work with the town

2445
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,679
manager's office to figure out when we

2446
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:48,960
can get this on the town council's

2447
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,639
agenda in the upcoming meeting.

2448
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:54,000
>> Okay, perfect. Um, anything else? Uh

2449
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:54,480
>> no, you just

2450
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:55,440
>> I don't think we have any director

2451
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:55,760
report.

2452
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:58,960
>> You just had the uh the April report. Um

2453
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:01,440
and so as personal suggestions by Miss

2454
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,000
Hansen, um there were she emailed me

2455
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,320
some very good suggestions. We'll uh

2456
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:07,920
make some updates to the report kind of

2457
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,920
breaking down the number of AD not just

2458
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:11,360
the income levels and where we're

2459
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,080
meeting those, but also ADUs versus

2460
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,080
other types of units throughout the

2461
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,159
different years. And then I'll just note

2462
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,880
that um you know the the little graph on

2463
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,960
the bottom shows per month of this year

2464
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,119
um how many ADUs and single family

2465
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:30,239
dwellings have been built. Also on the

2466
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:33,600
upper portion it only goes through 2024

2467
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,760
and the reason we had a little bit stall

2468
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:37,840
on that we're waiting for the state to

2469
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,960
certify our 2025 numbers which they have

2470
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:44,080
done and so um so we will update that

2471
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,520
table as well. Uh so uh just for some

2472
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,719
notes, you know, we have

2473
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:53,760
uh through 2025

2474
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:57,119
um we have 121

2475
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:00,080
um permits issued for uh at this point

2476
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,280
ADUs and single family dwellings and

2477
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,480
there is still a need to meet to meet

2478
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:09,199
328 units total of varied types of

2479
01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:10,960
housing. So that currently leaves

2480
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,920
another 207 units permits that still

2481
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,719
need to be issued in this cycle. So we

2482
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:20,000
are making progress uh yet we still um

2483
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,920
need to look at different housing types

2484
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,480
as well as you know the next year to

2485
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:26,800
really start to see those numbers rise.

2486
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,199
>> Is there any any updates besides that

2487
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:30,880
you mentioned the sewer. Is there any

2488
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,800
other updates in terms of things going?

2489
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,119
So that that part is the first step and

2490
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:37,920
then um the town has a consulting

2491
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,679
attorney who's worked with the town

2492
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:41,360
attorney's office that's going to help

2493
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:45,199
us with the surplus lands act um process

2494
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:48,320
and so that once the sewer stuff figure

2495
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:50,239
out what path is that necessary for that

2496
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:54,080
then we can start that process. Perfect.

2497
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,679
Any other questions for stage?

2498
01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:59,280
All right. Well, with that we will

2499
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,239
adjourn. Um, thank you everybody for

2500
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:05,719
your time and thoughts.