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the town council meeting of May 26, 2026

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to order.

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>> Jennifer, will you take role? Council

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>> member Alberish

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>> here.

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>> Council member Brown

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>> here.

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>> Council member Gold

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>> here.

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>> Council member Wall

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>> here.

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>> Mayor Donowski

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>> here.

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>> Council member Brown, will you lead us

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in the pledge of

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>> allegiance?

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United States of America.

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» Okay. Thank you, Dick. Appreciate it.

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Moving on to public comment. Uh we'll

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open that up. Persons wishing to address

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the council on any item not on the

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agenda are invited to do so now. Please

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note, however, that the council is not

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able to undertake extended discussions

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uh or to have much of a conversation

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whatsoever on those items, but we can

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refer them to staff for placement on a

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future agenda. This communication period

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is limited to five persons, three

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minutes each. Are there any any members

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of the public who would like to make a

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comment tonight on any item not on the

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agenda?

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We're going to jump right into the Zoom

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room and it looks like uh Tom, you're up

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first.

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You are unmuted.

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» Good evening, town council.

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>> Good evening.

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>> I respectfully request that the town

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council place on a future agenda a

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discussion regarding the possible

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substained ethics violations referenced

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in former town manager Jason Led

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Better's letter. Given the seriousness

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of the concerns raised, I believe the

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community deserves an open and

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transparent public discussion regarding

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the findings, the town's response, and

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what steps may be necessary to ensure

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accountability and restored public

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trust. This request is not intended to

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prejudice or judge any individual, but

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rather to encourage transparency,

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ethical governance, and public

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confidence in the integrity of our

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town's operation by the council. Thank

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you for your consideration of this

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request and for your continued service

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to the community. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Tom. uh the council is

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determining what if any corrective

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action is warranted and um with respect

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to that one sustained finding and we

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certainly endeavor to address that issue

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as soon as schedules permit. So thank

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you for that. Uh we have Falia and Steve

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>> Hello. This is this is Steve. Um

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following up on what Tom says, I think

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there's more than that that one council

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member involved. Uh the so-called

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independent investigations into

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allegations raised by Jason against

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council members did not address all the

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issues raised in Jason's letter. The

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district attorney investigator told me

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her office did not have evidence to

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criminally prosecate either either Jason

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or the council. But this doesn't mean

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that serious concerns don't remain in

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the public perception of the council's

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behavior. As several has requested

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before these investigations began, we

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need a truly independent investigation

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when public with public input into what

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issues are investigated. Please add

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consideration of such an investigation

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to your agenda. Thank you.

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>> Thanks, Steve. Um, just maybe to

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reiterate, the complaint was addressed

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through an independent and an impartial

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process. uh the claims were tendered to

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the insurance carrier who then

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designated independent counsel and of

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course even the investigator and that's

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what the law asked for and that's what

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uh was handled in exactly the way it was

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called for but we appreciate your

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comment. Any other comments from the

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room before we take another one from the

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Zoom? Okay. Uh we're going to you

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» Hi. Uh likewise uh given the previous

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town manager's whistleblower report,

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primarily the DA determining the

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behavior was not criminal extortion

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while being fired for it and the

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sustained allegations disclosing of

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confidential information in a closed

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session. I'd also like to make that

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request that the council adds an agenda

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item for the next town council meeting

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to give a public opportunity to engage

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the the council to speak um to town

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council ethics,

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a recommitment and a public overview of

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what constit constitutes a Brown Act

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violation and behavior of corruption. I

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only make this request to add the agenda

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item for the next town council meeting

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to restore public trust, not to bring

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more allegations. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Thank you. We've already covered

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that, but appreciate it. Uh any other

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comments?

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okay. Seeing [clears throat] none, we

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will close public comment and move on to

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the next agenda item, which is a

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presentation from Sustainable Sonteo

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County. Welcome.

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>> Thank you so much. Let me share my

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and slides.

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Good evening, Mayor Dumbosski and

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council members. I'm Sarah Huard,

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executive director of sustainable

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Sanonteo County. Though SSMC's board

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chair, Terry Nagel, is unable to be

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present tonight, she sends her regards.

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She was a Berling game mayor for 12

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years and and council member for 12

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years and like me really appreciate the

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efforts that you've made to serve your

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community through council service. Um

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thank you for the opportunity also to

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introduce SSMC's programs and consider

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how we might partner in the future and

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collaborate to help Woodside address

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your town's needs and challenges.

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Um, SSMC is a nonprofit organization

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independent of the County of Sanonteo's

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government structure. Uh, for more than

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30 years, we've worked toward a vision

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of a more sustainable future for

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everyone in Sonteo County. And we're not

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just focused on the environment. We look

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at sustainability through the three E

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lens, which includes the environment,

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the economy, and social equity, which

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all need to be in balance. We inform,

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inspire, and empower local governments

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and community members through datadriven

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research, community engagement, and

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policy impact.

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Now, I'd like to give a very brief

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summary of our programs and the free

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tools that you can use to support your

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town's goals. Um, we provide data on

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more than 100 metrics on our

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sustainability dashboard, enabling

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communities to identify both

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sustainability challenges and progress

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that they're making. Um tonight I'll

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point out a few of the dashboard metrics

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that are um relevant to Woodside's

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unique characteristics in the county. Um

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other programs include our ideas bank

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which offers case studies on proven

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solutions that address sustainability

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challenges

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and our annual indicators report which

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combines both metrics and solutions on a

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single focus subject and provides

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recommendations for local action.

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In October of 2025, we launched our

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report on the climate impact of food and

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our upcoming 2026 report will be on

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preserving and improving the urban tree

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canopy. Uh we also recognize

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achievements and inspire further action

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through our annual green building and

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sustainability awards which we host

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every spring. And finally, all of these

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programs are supported by meetings,

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webinars, roundt discussions,

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newsletters, and a host of other

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communications that foster community

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collaboration and impact.

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So, I've mentioned our dashboard, which

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is a centralized place for metrics that

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help councils and community members

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assess local needs, plan solutions,

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write grants, and track progress. It

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includes data across several categories

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such as climate action, housing,

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transportation, natural environment and

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demographics to name a few. Uh we

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regularly update the data to ensure that

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the information stays relevant. And as

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you can see here in the graphic, each

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city appears on the map and you can

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click on the city to select it and see

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that how the trend line on the right um

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is highlighted automatically. You can

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also click on multiple cities and

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compare their historical trends side by

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side and share and download the selected

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data as an image and a CSV file. Um, our

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reputable data sources are listed in

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that yellow box and include things like

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Um, I had provided a PDF of that lists

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all of the metrics available on the

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dashboard organized by topic. The

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metrics in bold are actually available

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at the census track level. And I know

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you have a very packed agenda, so I'm

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going to run through just a handful of

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metrics that might be of interest to

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Woodside and invite you to take a closer

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look later. Um, one is emissions from

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food consumption per capita, which has

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decreased substantially in the last 15

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or 20 years, but is also a little over

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the county average. Um, urban tree

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canopy, no surprise to you, you are

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among the very highest in the county.

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Uh, related to that, we also find that

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the risk of wildfire is much higher

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here. And there may be some things that

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we can do to help reduce that risk.

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wildfire is one of the data points that

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data related to English speaking. Uh,

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those that speak English less than well,

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it's a very low number in Woodside.

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Your um, PAL Envirro screen score is

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also low, which is a positive thing. It

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means that you're at a lower risk for

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communities having environmental

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low-income housing goals and you are

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making progress for them but haven't yet

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met the arena goals.

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lowincome housing goals as well.

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And soon we'll be incorporating a new

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dashboard feature which is a

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downloadable report for one city's

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metrics. Uh you might be able to see

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across the bottom of the screen there

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that we have tabs for demographics,

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canopy, and community vulnerability.

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So, the report was designed with the

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input of community groups to help assess

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progress and support communications and

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funding requests. And we hope that

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I want to invite you to review these

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tools and resources. Uh, subscribe to

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our monthly sustainable cities

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newsletter, which is targeted toward

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council members and city staff.

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participate in and promote upcoming

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events and email me with any questions

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or uh successes that you would like to

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share. I thank you again for your time

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tonight and I look forward to our future

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collaboration. If you have time this

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evening, I'd be happy to respond to any

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questions that you have now.

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>> Wonderful. Thank you. Any questions from

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council

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or the public?

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Well, we'll just thank you for your

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presentation and all your efforts to

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bring the data and the dashboard and uh

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to communities like ours in terms of how

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we can do a better job on the

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environment and housing. I thought that

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was a great dashboard on housing, by the

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way. I don't I always wonder how we're

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doing versus everybody else in the

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county. So, we'll definitely check that

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out. So, thank you.

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>> I hope we work together in the future.

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>> Thank you so much. Thanks for coming

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down,

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>> Sarah.

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>> Okay, moving on to the consent. So, all

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items on the consent calendar are

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considered to be routine and will be

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approved by one roll call motion unless

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a request is made to remove an item. Is

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there any item that any member of the

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council would like to remove for further

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discussion?

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Is there any item the public would like

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to have removed?

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Okay, moving right along. Can we get a

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motion to approve all six items on the

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consent? So moved.

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>> Second. Okay. Council member Aberish,

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>> yes.

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>> Council member Brown,

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>> yes.

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>> Council member Gold,

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>> yes.

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>> Council member Wall,

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>> Mayor Donkowski,

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>> yes. Thank you.

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>> Okay, moving on to old business. So,

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tonight we open up with item A, which is

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a continuation of the public hearing on

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the appeal for the proposed project at

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10 Still Creek Road. We do want to thank

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everybody for giving us the opportunity

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to um process all the public comment and

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review all the submitted documents. It

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makes a big difference. So, uh, as

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stated, we have closed public comment

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and we're going to be opening up, uh,

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with council deliberations. So, in terms

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of council deliberations, the way we're

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going to go about this is, uh, uh, we

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have to start with setbacks here. Uh,

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and we're going to just go and find out

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if there are any findings that council

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members cannot make. And then depending

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on how that plays out, we could focus on

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deliberations if necessary

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uh around any contested issues before

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moving on to the next entitlement. And

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ultimately we'll wish to get a motion to

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approve, deny, or to approve with

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conditions. So that's the process. So I

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think we'll just kick things off. This

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is on the setbacks. Um is there anyone

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that disagrees with the findings? And

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maybe Dick will just start with you and

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we'll move left to right tonight. Uh,

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are you able to make the findings on the

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setbacks as articulated in the staff

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report or are there items that you would

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like to discuss?

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>> No, I agree with the staff report.

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>> Okay,

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Council Member Wall.

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>> Yeah, thank you. So, you know, after

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reviewing all of the items that have

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been submitted and the testimony,

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um I I also um can make the findings as

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articulated in the staff report.

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>> Okay.

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Um Vice Mayor Gold.

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>> Yes. Um

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so, first I just wanted to say that

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there was just so much information

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provided to us. It was, you know, I'm

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glad we actually took the extra time to

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um to to go through it and u that was

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actually pretty helpful cuz there was

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[clears throat] an awful lot of

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information there. The setback for me

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was the kind of the key issue for me. I

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actually can make the findings based

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upon the staff report. I thought that it

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was pretty thorough. Um the other ones I

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think were a little closer call, but I

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think that the um on that first issue I

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can make the findings.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Uh, Council Member

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Abberish.

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>> Hello. Yes. Hi. Uh,

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>> this, uh, this one's been really hard

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for me. Um, I've known

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David and Christine. We live on the same

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road. Um, I've also met a lot of you in

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the neighborhood. Uh, and I've spoken

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with a number of you. Um, so for me,

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this has been, yeah, it's been really a

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very challenging decision. Um, and

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you know, for for Kristen and David, I

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we live on the same road currently, and

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they're great neighbors. Um, they come

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out uh for road work days. Uh, they

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always help. They put up their house to

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help to to host the uh lunch after the

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road work days. Um, when some a neighbor

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sends out an email about a tree that's

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fallen on their driveway and they can't

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get out, uh, David and Christine showed

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up. Kristen showed up uh, with

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chainsaws,

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met them there. Um, they're always

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there. And so

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that's been my experience with them.

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I've had lunch with them. I've eaten at

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their house. Um, they were very

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supportive. uh um when I was campaigning

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all all the time and I I genuinely appreciate them as people. Um

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so when this came down and I started

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hearing that um it was basically

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uh

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the them on the one side and

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[clears throat] basically every the

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entire neighborhood on the other. I

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thought what what is happening? How how

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can this happen? you know, this is very

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different than my experience with them.

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Um, and so, you know, and I know for

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Kristen, it's uh a very personal issue.

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Um, I know her family's owned the

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property for a long time, and this is,

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you know, it's been a dream of hers for

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a very long time to develop this

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property and to have her family live

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there with her. Uh, and so

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I can appreciate that. And I think it's

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her right to be able to to build a home

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and to be happy in it on her property.

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Um

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uh with all that taken um when I went

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out to the property for the first time

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and I saw the um

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the flags and the poles and the lines um

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it made a little bit more sense to me on

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why there was so much conflict. Uh it is

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it's it's a large property and it's a

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large development and it's very close to

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the road and um and it's on both sides

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of the road and so I could start to see

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uh you know the the difference of

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opinion and I could see you know and I

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understand where she's coming from and I

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also understand where the neighborhood's

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coming from. Um, and I can tell you that

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my neighborhood on Grand View, we've had

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the same conflict that occurred with the

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Peterson property that some of you may

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have heard of. It's a uh

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um it was a small lot with on a steep

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slope and there was a lot of push back

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and from the neighborhood and he handled

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it all wrong. I would say he sued the

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entire neighborhood, pretty much all the

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properties. And so it started with

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litigation and the neighborhood sued him

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back and I wasn't part of that

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litigation, but most of my neighbors

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were and the neighborhood won. So he was

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not allowed to build property is still

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undeveloped.

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Um, and there's a lot of anger and

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frustration from my neighborhood with

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the town council for approving it and

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just with the whole situation. Um, and

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so here I tried as best as I could to

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take a step back to look at it from a

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neutral perspective. Um,

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and um, and before I get into that, I I

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would strongly encourage because it

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sounds like the council it doesn't

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really matter which way I vote. Um,

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there's already three

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uh, yeses it sounds like. So, but I I I

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would encourage everyone to please

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mediate. Try if you can to to find a

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solution because uh I'm a litigator.

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I've done it. I've done it for quite a

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while. It's always hard. It's always

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stressful on the parties and ultimately

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the only real winners are the lawyers.

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They make a bunch of money from the

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litigation. Uh, but it's exhausting

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and, you know, and I I would hate to see

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you, you know, either get this house

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built and then move in and still have

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all this conflict with neighbors. Um,

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and or, you know, you you spend a lot of

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money, go through litigation and end up

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like Mr. Peterson and have it all and

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have to start back at ground zero. Um

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and so I would encourage both sides to

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really seriously consider mediation, see

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if there's some kind of compromise you

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can work and um and if I can be of any

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assistance to anybody in that, I would I

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would very gladly do it. Um and so then

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so looking at I tried to just be very

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objective in looking at the the

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requirements the standards. Uh and so

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for me specifically for the setback

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exception

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um I felt that the first requirement I

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could not personally find it um that

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there was no alternative and

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specifically because of the detached ADU

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on the other side of the road which I

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didn't think it's not really part of the

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home dwelling that what I understand you

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know the the main unit and then the

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family um your parents you [snorts] know

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unit and that would just be kind of an

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extra Uh, and I I think it might go a

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long way to, you know, compromise with

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that piece with the with the neighbors.

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I I don't know. Um, so maybe something

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worth exploring. But for me, I couldn't find for number one. And then

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requirement number five under that same

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uh section.

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For me, I read that as being

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specifically a place to protect the

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interests of neighborhoods and

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neighbors. And it feels like that the

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showing that we have here and that we

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had two weeks ago um tells me that there is a lot of uh push back and

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frustration from the neighbors. So I

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think that's specifically what it was

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created for. Um

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and again I would just I would encourage

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everybody to seriously think about

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mediation scheduling a mediator. I'd be

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happy to help you find one. And if

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there's any if there's openness, I I'd

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be happy to help you work uh together,

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you know, any any way I can. So,

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that's that's where I'm at. Okay.

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>> Thank you. Um and I too can uh make the

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findings that are uh articulated in the

550
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staff report. And um you know, for me

551
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,400
it's uh you know, why do you have

552
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,159
exceptions and variances? It's in

553
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,240
addition to privacy and conformity, it's

554
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,559
uh provides some flexibility when you

555
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,280
have a difficult to uh build situation

556
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,480
and the strict rules don't apply. And um

557
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,760
I do think that you know 1B is is well

558
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,760
said um in terms of the natural

559
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,600
topography and contours of the land but

560
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,799
also the constraints and the distance to

561
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,559
other properties and the original home

562
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:14,320
site uh in the plot map and the

563
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,480
limitations on 50% slopes and the

564
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,240
significant grading costs and so forth

565
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,039
and even the the setback itself is just

566
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,559
I look at it as an incremental

567
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,320
encroachment a little bit you know uh

568
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,720
maybe 15 or 20% of the property line not

569
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,720
the entire line. So uh I can fine for uh

570
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,400
the setbacks. So that's where I am on

571
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,240
that. So from a straw pool point of

572
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,000
view, we have a pretty good sense on

573
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,679
setbacks. Um

574
00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:42,159
why don't we move on for a second and uh

575
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:44,720
we have maximum residence size and um

576
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,919
formal design. Formal design. Can folks

577
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:50,159
make for the formal design? Um if you

578
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:51,360
can't make setbacks, you can't make

579
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:54,480
formal design obviously, but um

580
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,520
where are we on formal design? Anyone?

581
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,280
You want to start left or right again?

582
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,000
Okay.

583
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,240
>> Start same place I was on the first is

584
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,360
that I I agree with the um staff report.

585
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,200
I didn't see any any issue with the

586
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,120
formal design.

587
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,000
>> Okay. Thank you.

588
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,909
>> I can als

589
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,600
I assume

590
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,960
no to put where's my Yeah, it's kind of

591
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720
by default. Got it. And I can as well.

592
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,000
And then maximum resonance size. Uh,

593
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,400
we'll just do the same thing. Council

594
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,320
member Brown.

595
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,320
>> Same. I agree with staff.

596
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,120
>> Same.

597
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:37,840
>> Gold.

598
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,760
>> This one was a closer one for me. I can,

599
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,480
but it's um was definitely the closest

600
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,990
call for me.

601
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,520
» Did you want to discuss that at all or

602
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,400
No.

603
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,559
>> Okay.

604
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,559
if I would actually be fine with the the

605
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,640
size if uh if it wasn't for the specific

606
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,360
location.

607
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,720
>> Okay. And

608
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,120
likewise uh so I think what we're

609
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,679
hearing is we are in a place to make a

610
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:09,679
motion um and we have to make a motion I

611
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:11,919
think pretty tightly uh tied to the

612
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:14,799
resolution. Um is there somebody that

613
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:22,230
would like to make that motion?

614
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,390
She does.

615
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,600
» Um before we make the motion, can we

616
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,039
deliberation? Sorry. Yeah. I think

617
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:31,679
sorry.

618
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,440
>> Yeah. I just wanted to reflect on this

619
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,520
process here a little bit because

620
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,559
>> um you know echoing a lot of what Hassan

621
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,559
said like this I can just tell there's

622
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,760
so much emotion here. Um we rarely have

623
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,919
council meetings where so many residents

624
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,840
show up. they participate in the process

625
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120
and so thank you for doing that. Um it

626
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,360
really means a lot. It really helped us

627
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,440
come to our conclusion. Um there was a

628
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,279
lot of information provided that was all

629
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,720
very useful. Um this was a really tough

630
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,120
call and um I would double down on

631
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,679
Hassan's comments um around trying to

632
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:10,480
find a resolution that's m that's not

633
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,400
just necessarily latigious. Um it would

634
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,320
you know I think success here you know

635
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,559
would look like um a neighborhood that's

636
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,200
that finds its way to to resolve this

637
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,720
and for people to come together and um

638
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,880
so I I hope I hope something like that

639
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480
can happen. Um but just wanted to say

640
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,480
you know I I could just tell there there

641
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,880
is a lot of emotion and a lot of um you

642
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,360
know a lot of stakes involved here and

643
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,120
we I just wanted to recognize that. So

644
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,669
thank you

645
00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:46,240
Well said.

646
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,840
>> And I don't mean anybody else want to

647
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,320
say anything

648
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,520
>> other further deliberations, comments.

649
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:53,919
>> Okay.

650
00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:56,799
Um with that, I will do my best to

651
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:59,840
make a motion. So, um, I move to approve

652
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,919
a resolution of the Woodside Town

653
00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,960
Council on appeal approving ASRB

654
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,440
202250017

655
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,640
formal design review of project XMAX

656
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,440
20225-0010,

657
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,320
a maximum residence size exception and

658
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,950
XC2025-001,

659
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,360
a setback exception to construct a new

660
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,679
main residence with an attached garage

661
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,320
junior accessory dwelling unit and one

662
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,960
attached accessory dwelling unit, one

663
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440
detached ADU and associated site

664
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
improvements on a vacant lot located at

665
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,000
10 Still Creek Road.

666
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,840
>> Second.

667
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,120
>> Council member Alberish,

668
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:43,760
>> no.

669
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,880
>> Council member Brown,

670
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:45,279
>> yes.

671
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,240
>> Council member Gold,

672
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,640
>> yes.

673
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,679
>> Council member Wall,

674
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:48,000
>> yes.

675
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,600
>> Mayor Donowski,

676
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,909
>> yes.

677
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,000
» Thank you all.

678
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,559
Um,

679
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,350
okay.

680
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,240
Moving on. Um, new business item B,

681
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,399
license plate readers. Melissa.

682
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,559
>> Thank you, Mayor Donowski. Before the

683
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,159
council this evening is the quarterly

684
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:13,600
report from the Sanonteo County

685
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Sheriff's Office regarding the use of

686
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,640
automated license plate readers, ALPRS

687
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,960
for January 2026 to March 2026. Per the

688
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,440
ALPR usage and privacy policy on a

689
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,440
quarterly basis. The town manager is to

690
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,600
make a report to the town council which

691
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,840
includes a data audit from the sheriff.

692
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,840
randomly selects at least 10

693
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,440
detection browsing inquiries to

694
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
determine if each inquiry meets the

695
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,559
requirements of the town's ALPR policy.

696
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,000
I have reviewed the quarterly report

697
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,919
from the sheriff's office and determined

698
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:45,840
based on the information provided by the

699
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,840
sheriff's office in the quarterly report

700
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,640
that the use of the ALPRs in Woodside is

701
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,679
compliant with the town's ALPR policy.

702
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:55,600
Attachment three to the staff report

703
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,679
contains the town manager audit.

704
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,440
Sergeant Nick Borano is in attendance

705
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,120
this evening via Zoom to answer any

706
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,720
questions the council may have about the

707
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000
quarterly report. At the February 10th,

708
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,159
2026 Town Council meeting when the last

709
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:09,840
quarterly and annual reports were

710
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,679
reviewed, the town council directed

711
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:13,600
staff to explore potential vendors to

712
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,520
conduct annual audits of the use of the

713
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,159
flock safety ALPR system installed in

714
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,799
Woodside. Staff is seeking a direction

715
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,120
from council on whether to prepare for

716
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,880
council review and approval a request

717
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,320
for proposals RFP for ALPR auditing

718
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,399
services of the flock safety ALPR

719
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:32,640
system. The RFP scope of work could

720
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,240
include an audit of the reason for

721
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,960
search log external sharing audits and

722
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,279
data deletion verification. If the

723
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,919
council wishes to issue an RFP, a draft

724
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:43,279
would be brought back to the council

725
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:45,360
before issuance. That concludes my

726
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,960
report and I would be happy to answer

727
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,120
any questions. Thank you. Thank you.

728
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,000
Questions for Melissa or uh Sergeant

729
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Nick?

730
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,640
>> Uh yes. Uh have there been any any

731
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,039
reports of misuse of the data by anybody

732
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,200
in Woodside?

733
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,640
>> There have not. To my understanding, I'm

734
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,559
trying to make Sergeant Brano a

735
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,919
panelist, but it's not led me. Jen,

736
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:20,070
could you

737
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840
So what you're saying is that we have no

738
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,840
evidence of any any problems.

739
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000
>> That's correct. From my review of the

740
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080
sheriff's report, I do not see a misuse

741
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,799
and Sergeant Barono can confirm.

742
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,720
>> Okay. Thank you.

743
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,360
>> Hi.

744
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,279
>> Good evening everyone. Uh, no, there has

745
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,640
not been um any signs of any mis misuse

746
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,491
with the the software.

747
00:30:44,501 --> 00:30:45,360
[clears throat]

748
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240
>> Any other questions?

749
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,120
>> Um, so Melissa, you and I talked a

750
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,520
little bit before the meeting um about

751
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,200
um what an RFP could look like and um

752
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,120
we've been emailing back and forth about

753
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,240
some potential uh vendors and I know you

754
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,039
did some outreach. Sounds like um Palo

755
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:06,559
Alto could maybe could you just share

756
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:07,760
what you learned about Palo Alto?

757
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,880
>> Sure. PaloAlto uh explored the third

758
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,120
party audit and they reached out to

759
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Baker Tilly. Uh PaloAlto uses Baker

760
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Tilly for their independent they're

761
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,799
their independent auditors and when they

762
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:20,960
asked Baker Tilly if they would be able

763
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640
to perform a third party audit of the

764
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,679
Flock system, a conflict was discovered

765
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,399
because Flock Safety is also a client of

766
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:31,039
Baker Tilly. And so I reached out to

767
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:32,640
PaloAlto to find out some more

768
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,000
information if they will be putting out

769
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,640
an RFP. I did not receive a call back.

770
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,039
Um I did some additional looking on

771
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,360
their website. I did not find an RFP has

772
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,919
been drafted. Uh they had a policy

773
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,480
subcommittee in meeting in March and I

774
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,559
had didn't see any update since then

775
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:54,149
since that conflict was was raised.

776
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:56,720
» Mhm.

777
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,760
>> Can I ask a question?

778
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,600
>> No. No. Just a second. As soon as we're

779
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,279
done, we're about to close. Any other

780
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,159
questions from council?

781
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:07,279
>> Well, now you can, sir. Welcome. Please

782
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,960
come on up. Public comment is now open

783
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,080
on license plate raers.

784
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,320
>> AJ Costa, 13 Sunrise Drive, but what's

785
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,919
the benefit of of the license plate

786
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:16,960
readers? Is there a specific reason they

787
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,559
put them up? I'm not against them, but

788
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,240
I'm just kind of curious. What kind of

789
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,919
data do they collect? And what are they

790
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,399
really for? Can anybody explain that to

791
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:28,960
me? Sure.

792
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,080
So, uh, in 20 in 2023, the town council

793
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,080
approved an agreement with Flock Safety

794
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200
to install 20 cameras throughout various

795
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
locations in town. Uh it captures data

796
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,399
for the license plate uh make a model of

797
00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:45,679
the car color and the sheriff's uh the

798
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:49,200
sheriff's department uh manages program

799
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,519
on behalf of the town the town's data

800
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,120
through the flock system and the

801
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,559
sheriff's office of Sanonteo County can

802
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,200
use the system to search for very

803
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,600
specific terms in the town's ALPR usage

804
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,080
policy. And me one second. I'll pull up

805
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,080
to this. I had it here earlier.

806
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,590
Um,

807
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
so they s they allowed to search for

808
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,399
very specific uses to assist in

809
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,080
identifying and investigating crimes

810
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,399
against persons and property to locate

811
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,960
missing children, adults, andor elderly

812
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,039
individuals, including in response to

813
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,000
Amber alerts and silver silver alerts.

814
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,320
To locate stolen, wanted, and/or other

815
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,159
vehicles that are the subject of an

816
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,559
investigation. To assist in gathering

817
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,640
evidence to identify, apprehend, and

818
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,279
prosecute criminal offenders. To respond

819
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,159
to emergency events. To locate and/or

820
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:46,480
apprehend individuals subject to arrest

821
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,519
warrants. To locate victims, witnesses,

822
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,440
and suspects associated with an

823
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,960
investigation.

824
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Or to check either manually or automated

825
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,679
for license plate data appearing on

826
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:00,399
active hot lists.

827
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:02,720
Okay,

828
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,880
>> that's all I want to know. Thank you.

829
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,440
>> Thank you.

830
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,720
>> Curious.

831
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,679
>> All right. Thank you.

832
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,760
>> Appreciate it. Thank you. Moving on to

833
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,909
the Zoom room. Um, Mr. Wells,

834
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:17,520
» it just disappeared, took his hand down,

835
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,879
it looks like.

836
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:19,760
>> Can you hear me?

837
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,800
>> Okay. Yeah, we got you. Um,

838
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,520
one one interesting use case of data and

839
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,119
could maybe be under the umbrella of

840
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,079
audit or use of

841
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,159
uh the flock safety system is the one

842
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,679
thing we're not utilizing that flex

843
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,040
safety does offer is traffic analytics.

844
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,599
So that gives you vehicle class types.

845
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,879
It gives you speed information between

846
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,720
two points, you know, between two

847
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:48,079
cameras. It gives you

848
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,800
analytics on when the traffic is

849
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,119
occurring. Obviously, we have a lot of

850
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,679
we have a distinct weakened problem and

851
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,359
rather than just kind of using, you

852
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:00,720
know, anecdotes, you can actually have a

853
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,480
datadriven

854
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,359
enforcement regime and have a lot of

855
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,280
insights that we currently are not

856
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,119
using. I'm not sure exactly how it's

857
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,599
priced, but it is another use of flock

858
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,920
safety that could be very beneficial to

859
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,270
the town.

860
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,720
That's all.

861
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,400
>> Thank you. Uh, Sergeant, uh, do you have

862
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,760
any thoughts on the expansionary pack

863
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,800
that was just mentioned?

864
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800
>> Yeah, it is the date of you're

865
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,760
collecting it either way. Um,

866
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,240
so it is a, you know, I do know we do

867
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,880
have a weekend issue. Um,

868
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Woodside's unique as far as the flow

869
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,280
that comes in. There's only a couple

870
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960
ways into town. So, um, that's obviously

871
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,599
completely up to the town and how you

872
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:50,880
guys would want to utilize it. It

873
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,800
wouldn't be

874
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,960
beneficial outside of a I guess traffic

875
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,880
enforcement data collection point for

876
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,079
the sheriff's office. Um, you know, on

877
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,880
when to staff it, but again,

878
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,200
um, you guys, we're already staffing the

879
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,040
town according to the contract with the

880
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,400
sheriff's office right now. So, I don't

881
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200
know how much more that would change. Um

882
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,160
we do have some success stories um with

883
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,599
Flock um this quarter actually as of

884
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,480
recently is uh three days ago um that I

885
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
did want to highlight. Um as you all

886
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,560
know in February and March of 2026

887
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,320
there's some copper thefts. Um that case

888
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960
was solved and arrest was made um solely

889
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,240
due to flock. Um and then on earlier

890
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,320
this month on the 13th of May, um there

891
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
was a stolen vehicle reported in town

892
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,240
and just to kind of capture how well

893
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,880
Flock worked in the situation. The

894
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,400
vehicle was reported stolen at 1:50 p.m.

895
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,079
It was recovered um by 2:30 and we had

896
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,480
two people arrested by 3:30 in uh in the

897
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,079
city of Redwood City associated with

898
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:02,240
that stolen vehicle. Um, as of the 23rd,

899
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,720
there was a reporting of uh someone

900
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,839
shooting in the area um off of Trip

901
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:11,119
Road. Um, utilizing ALPR data and in the

902
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,200
flock data, um, several investigative

903
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,640
leads, including uh um possible suspects

904
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,760
have been um our investigators have been able to

905
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,390
use that data for that information.

906
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,280
» Good to hear. Thank you. Uh, moving on

907
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,839
to um Isa.

908
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,359
Sorry.

909
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,359
>> Hi, Mayor. Can you guys hear me? Hi.

910
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:38,079
Yeah, we can.

911
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,599
>> Thank you. Sorry for not being there in

912
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,200
person. Um, I apologize. My wife is

913
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,880
feeling ill, so I'm watching my boys.

914
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Um, you guys know my position on this. I

915
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,760
will continue to show up every single

916
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,119
time or call in like today. Um, I think

917
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,480
I' I've come around to the opinion that

918
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,880
Flock itself is a singularly awful

919
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,760
company. They are absolutely

920
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,520
untrustworthy. the more information and

921
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,720
news that comes out about them, the more

922
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,680
that that conclusion is reinforced. I

923
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,720
think doing business with them is

924
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,320
dreadful. Um, I read a snippet of David

925
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,280
Middleman's letter. I haven't had a

926
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,320
chance to read the whole thing, but I

927
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,240
think I'm on the same page. And I wanted

928
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,440
to just address one other thing that

929
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,040
some of the town council members have

930
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,000
mentioned in some of the previous

931
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,240
meetings, and it's a reference to how,

932
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,960
you know, our phones already track us,

933
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,480
so it doesn't matter that flock tracks

934
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,320
us. Well, there's a fundamental

935
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,560
difference there, which is a phone is

936
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,480
the device you choose to go purchase and

937
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,400
then you choose how to interact with it

938
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,160
and you select the companies and vendors

939
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,160
that you install in terms of apps, you

940
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,640
know, uses, etc. You can turn your phone

941
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,280
off, uninstall all the apps, and they

942
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,800
can't follow you, right? That's your

943
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,880
choice. With the flot cameras, we don't

944
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,880
have that choice. And as much as I'm

945
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,560
certain there are success stories,

946
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,760
there's all sorts of things that the

947
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,520
government could choose to do that would

948
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,119
quote make us safer, but come at the

949
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,440
cost of liberty of everybody. So again,

950
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
as always, I implore you to terminate

951
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,880
the contract with Flock. They are

952
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,800
dreadful. I actually watched a hour and

953
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,839
a half podcast I guess that he did with

954
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,160
the founder of Stripe, Patrick Collison,

955
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,320
and the founder is a psycho. He has a

956
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,880
vision of a crime-free city that is just

957
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,839
some dystopian nightmare. Um, I will try

958
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:11,440
to send it to you guys if you have have

959
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,680
the time to watch it. That made me even

960
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,280
more, you guys know how anti I was

961
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,359
before Rahand. Watching that made me

962
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:19,359
even more anti-flock. I would be the fan

963
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:21,520
of a privacy focused company running

964
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,119
AOPRs in our town. Block is not it. And

965
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,119
the representatives don't tell the

966
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,680
truth. The company is awful. I strongly

967
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,119
urge Woodside to stop doing business

968
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,599
with them. And anyways, thank you all.

969
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,359
Have a wonderful night and enjoy the

970
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,680
rest of your meeting.

971
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,760
>> All right. Thank you.

972
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,990
Any other comments from the public?

973
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to I

974
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,000
guess this is deliberation. Are you

975
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,800
looking for direction on a third party

976
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
auditor search basically?

977
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,359
>> Yes. And then separately the council

978
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,160
could choose to accept the um quarterly

979
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,430
report.

980
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,040
» Did we not already sort of give

981
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,560
direction on

982
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,839
>> Okay. So, this is just a a confirmation

983
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,920
of looking for a third party auditor

984
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,000
>> that we would do a request for proposal

985
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,680
that we would come back to council with

986
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,200
a request for proposal that would

987
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,040
outline the terms that the town is

988
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520
looking for for a third party auditor

989
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,040
and they would submit submit responses

990
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
um to hopefully hit all of the data

991
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,359
points that the council is looking for.

992
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,760
>> Okay. Your feedback was Baker Tilly was

993
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,200
not

994
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,960
>> uh they have a well they have a conflict

995
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,560
because they represent flock safety. So

996
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,920
I would assume they would have the same

997
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,440
conflict if we reached out to them.

998
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,280
>> Okay. So I guess the question for

999
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,359
everybody is is there anyone that cannot

1000
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:44,880
support

1001
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,160
uh an RFP for a third party auditor and

1002
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
uh cannot support approval or acceptance

1003
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,430
of this quarterly report.

1004
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,119
I did a ne a double negative there

1005
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:58,880
perhaps. So you also feel free to

1006
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,560
deliberate any way you wish.

1007
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,760
>> Just [laughter]

1008
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,599
deliberation. Sorry. this I would like

1009
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:08,240
to offer some deliberation. Um, so

1010
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,240
I think

1011
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,280
you all heard me ask a lot of questions

1012
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,640
at the last council meeting that um was

1013
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,400
on this topic and I still have all the

1014
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,280
same questions. Um, and I have still

1015
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
arrived at the same conclusion is that

1016
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,680
it's it's incumbent on us given all of

1017
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,760
the issues that have been reported in

1018
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,319
the press um to engage a third party

1019
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,400
auditor. Let me take a step back. Like

1020
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,440
we've been we have been dealing with the

1021
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,640
ALPR topic for a long time and I've

1022
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,920
always said I've always been in support

1023
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,760
of ALPRs. Um I think they are a valuable

1024
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,680
they they can be a very valuable law

1025
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,079
enforcement tool. So, I'm absolutely not

1026
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:56,160
opposed to ALPRs, but they have to be

1027
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,440
deployed and used in a way that does not

1028
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,560
compromise our policy and compromise uh

1029
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,440
our uh our privacy laws. And I have

1030
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680
after thinking about this over and over

1031
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,599
again and really trying to wrap my head

1032
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,119
around it, I have come to the conclusion

1033
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,680
that we are we our our town staff is

1034
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,960
amazing. They are not data auditors.

1035
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,240
they are not equipped to you know audit

1036
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,400
the vast amounts of data that comes in

1037
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,960
um from the flot cameras. I mean just

1038
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,720
you know millions and millions and

1039
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,720
millions of records of data um nor nor

1040
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,839
is law enforcement. So the notion that

1041
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:39,680
um you know have there been any reports

1042
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,359
of misuse this is not the kind of thing

1043
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:44,480
that lends itself to reports of misuse.

1044
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,040
Um and

1045
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,800
um so it's you know however okay I mean

1046
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359
then the other point is that I think

1047
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,599
anybody that has done 10 minutes of

1048
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,400
research on this topic I mean any

1049
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,680
reasonable person would come to the

1050
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680
conclusion that there's a big question

1051
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,359
marks about block and whether it's a trustworthy vendor. I mean, our

1052
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:10,640
peer cities, um, peer law enforcement

1053
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,119
agencies have canled their contracts

1054
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,640
with Flock because of the privacy

1055
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,440
issues. So, I mean, there is definitely

1056
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,720
an issue with Flock. Um, and I mean, I

1057
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,359
think it's it's great that, you know,

1058
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,280
our town staff and and our law

1059
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,960
enforcement partners haven't uncovered

1060
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,400
any issue, but, you know, Woodside is

1061
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,160
just as vulnerable to the issues that

1062
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,280
have been discovered in other

1063
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,319
jurisdictions. Um, and I really think

1064
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:38,000
that it's only going to be through a

1065
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
third party audit that that if something

1066
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,319
had happened, it would be discovered or

1067
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:46,079
going forward. Um, so

1068
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,560
I mean I just I think we would be so

1069
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,760
remiss to just ignore all of the press

1070
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,079
reports and the and the concerns and the

1071
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,680
actual documented issues that have

1072
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,280
occurred in our peer cities. um to you

1073
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,880
know not look for you know at a bare

1074
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,280
minimum minimum put out an RFP to find

1075
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,720
somebody that could like look under the

1076
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,119
hood and see if you know Woodside is

1077
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,040
vulnerable to the really serious data

1078
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,599
breaches that you know many of the

1079
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:18,240
cities around us have experienced. Um so

1080
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,960
you know again I my position is very

1081
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,800
clear. Um, I think it's really important

1082
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,319
not, you know, at a bare minimum to put

1083
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,400
out an RFP, but I I think if we're going

1084
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,880
to continue use using this tool and

1085
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,319
we're going to continue using this tool

1086
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:31,599
with Flock and again, they're not the

1087
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,040
only game in town. There are other

1088
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,400
vendors. Um, so if we are going to

1089
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,079
continue to, you know, have these

1090
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,880
cameras up in town, deploy this, you

1091
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
know, surveillance tool, provide that

1092
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,599
data to law enforcement, and do so

1093
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,839
knowing that there's been so many issues

1094
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,720
and problems in the cities around us, I think our our role as elected

1095
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,119
officials, like our responsibility to

1096
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,599
make sure that the town, you know, data

1097
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,520
is you gathered and used in an

1098
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
appropriate way, like the absolute bare

1099
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,440
minimum that we owe to citizens is to is

1100
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,040
to put out an RFP and look for somebody

1101
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,359
that can do a do a real audit of what's

1102
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,160
happening here.

1103
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,041
>> Thank you. Other comments.

1104
00:45:13,041 --> 00:45:13,359
[clears throat]

1105
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,440
>> I guess I would say that I'm I'm

1106
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,839
certainly open to looking into an audit,

1107
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:21,599
but I want to to to um caution

1108
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,280
everybody. I don't want to see a

1109
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,839
$500,000 audit. Um, and in a time when

1110
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:30,079
our budget is tight and we have no

1111
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,319
evidence, none whatsoever that there's

1112
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:34,720
any issue with Woodside. We have some

1113
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,119
press reports and issues elsewhere and a

1114
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,960
few uh police departments have or at

1115
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,720
least um other entities have experienced

1116
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,119
what they say are some problems. But I'm

1117
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,400
not ready to say that we should be

1118
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,480
spending a lot of money trying to audit

1119
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,680
something that we've been having no

1120
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,829
problem with whatsoever.

1121
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:55,839
Okay. Thank you, Council Member Brown.

1122
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:56,880
Other thoughts?

1123
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200
>> Um, I thought I I recall at a prior

1124
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,960
meeting we had discussed potentially

1125
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
exploring other vendors. Um,

1126
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,800
>> I don't remember if it was an agreement

1127
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,480
that that was something we were all in

1128
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,000
agreement on.

1129
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,119
um

1130
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,359
>> don't recall that but I will let you

1131
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,200
know that the contract is coming up for

1132
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,440
renewal and that will be with our next

1133
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,160
quarterly report in July

1134
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,680
um for a discussion. So,

1135
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,280
uh, the last time when we got the

1136
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,000
cameras, we put out an RFP for, um,

1137
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,200
proposals to install the the cameras.

1138
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,440
>> And can maybe this is a question for,

1139
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,599
uh, Sergeant Brano. Uh, do we have, if

1140
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,839
we went with a system other than Flock,

1141
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:42,079
would you still would it could it

1142
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,240
provide the same

1143
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,760
service?

1144
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:53,520
>> Um, we would have to look at it. the the useful tool of lock um or or any APR

1145
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,960
I guess service would be in the network

1146
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:04,480
um that it has. Um so for example the stolen vehicle report um if FL if

1147
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Woodside had an independent APR system

1148
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,880
um we would not have the flow that we

1149
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,040
had with the stolen vehicle. we would

1150
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,119
maybe have recovered the vehicle because

1151
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,160
it was recovered in the town of

1152
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,560
Woodside. But after it left Woodside,

1153
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,319
we'd have to go then go to a different

1154
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:21,839
system,

1155
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,000
in this case, Flock, and search Flock.

1156
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,400
So, you wouldn't have the flow of

1157
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,880
information and data as far as the

1158
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,040
solving the crimes as quickly. um the

1159
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,119
data would still be there but you'd be

1160
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,480
utilizing a completely different

1161
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,880
database unless

1162
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,119
um that other vendor and I don't even

1163
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,720
know if this exists but that other

1164
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,359
vendor has an agreement with lock for

1165
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,200
data sharing or something like that but

1166
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,720
I think that just opens up the door that

1167
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,760
you guys are trying to avoid right now.

1168
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,839
Um but I said the useful the the tool

1169
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:59,119
makes itself is the is the network um

1170
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,800
and how many agencies every agency in

1171
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,720
the county utilizes it.

1172
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:12,400
>> Um and the information sharing and the working with different agencies back

1173
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,760
and forth is what makes it what it is um

1174
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,319
and how useful it is in this situation.

1175
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,960
for perfect example was the stolen

1176
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,400
vehicle and the flow of it. The stolen

1177
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,160
vehicle was reported stolen out of the

1178
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,599
town of Woodside. Within 40 minutes, it

1179
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,000
was recovered in the town of Woodside.

1180
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,920
And because we had a flock hit on a

1181
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,680
suspect vehicle, we had that vehicle

1182
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,240
located utilizing flock. We found it in

1183
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,240
Redwood City. Our detectives went out

1184
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,680
there and we had two people in custody

1185
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,000
within two hours of the vehicle being

1186
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,760
reported. That would not be able to

1187
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,160
happen if the [clears throat] system was

1188
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,599
split in my opinion.

1189
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,440
>> Thank you. That makes sense. And I Yeah,

1190
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,359
it feels like block really is the only

1191
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:59,750
game in town as of right now.

1192
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,000
» That

1193
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,960
I had one other request uh and that's on

1194
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,319
sort of related is I like the idea about

1195
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:11,200
using it for traffic uh information

1196
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,280
purposes. We've looked into that in the

1197
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,040
past, I believe, and found it wasn't

1198
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680
available. If it's become available now,

1199
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,040
I'd really like to look into see what

1200
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,440
the cost is and what we can get for it

1201
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,280
because we get a lot of traffic data

1202
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,880
reported by the sheriff department every

1203
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,599
month, but we're never able to truly

1204
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,760
analyze what to do with it. Um, and I

1205
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,760
think that uh something like a flock

1206
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,480
could give us a database that could be

1207
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680
pretty easily uh analyzed to come to to

1208
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,440
conclusions of where are the biggest

1209
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
problems and when and where and who and

1210
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,720
how do we deal with it.

1211
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,079
Like to know the cost of that if it's

1212
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,240
available.

1213
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,920
>> Okay. [clears throat]

1214
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,640
>> Uh I I I thought we already gave

1215
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
direction on this. So uh but I guess it

1216
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,400
was just a straw pull uh last time

1217
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,160
around. So, yeah, I'm I'm in favor of u

1218
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,880
of a a third party auditor and um based

1219
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,480
on all the advocacy here on the council

1220
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,400
and by several citizens makes a lot of

1221
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,599
sense. I don't know what it's going to

1222
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:13,200
cost, but we'll find out. And um

1223
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,520
>> yeah, and I'm sorry to cut you.

1224
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,559
>> You were just staring at me. I didn't

1225
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,000
know you had a

1226
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,359
>> I'm sorry. I should have read you

1227
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,520
differently. Yes, council member. So

1228
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,079
after after the um

1229
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,400
>> I've got a something for folks to think

1230
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,160
about and I'd be interested in uh the

1231
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,440
sergeant's take on this. I actually

1232
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,800
tried to call you this afternoon,

1233
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,800
Sergeant. I don't you probably didn't

1234
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,079
get the message, but I want because I

1235
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,160
don't like surprising people at meetings

1236
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,319
like this, but the um uh so this is a

1237
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,079
you know it's a hot issue for everybody

1238
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,760
and I I I think all the comments are

1239
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,920
well taken and and Assan's concerns that

1240
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,119
he always voices so skillfully are well

1241
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,680
taken I think. And um but but the truth

1242
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,160
is is that what what we're the

1243
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,599
guardrails that we set up here in

1244
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,119
Woodside was that we were going to do an

1245
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,280
audit. We wrote a policy and so far it's

1246
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,240
working. I mean they're you know the I I

1247
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,559
admit that taking a sample of 10 out of

1248
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,359
thousands is a pretty modest thing but

1249
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:08,480
that's what we asked them to do and

1250
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,240
they're doing it and we have it we've

1251
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,880
yet to turn up you know that that um

1252
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,880
we're sharing data with agencies that we

1253
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,960
shouldn't be. So, I mean, that's they're obeying the laws that we wrote

1254
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,839
for them, and that's fine. Um, I also

1255
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:24,800
think I didn't actually remember

1256
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,680
what uh council member Aberish, the

1257
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,200
sergeant were just talking about, and

1258
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,800
that is that the beauty of the flock

1259
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,119
system, I'm making air quotes here, is

1260
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,200
that it's integrated throughout so many

1261
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,640
communities, and you could do it. I

1262
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,559
still remember at the very first

1263
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,200
meetings that we had was that a lot of

1264
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,800
people think that it's just contained

1265
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,000
within Woodside. In other words, there's

1266
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,079
a crime within Woodside. Did the flock

1267
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:48,720
cameras capture the criminal? We capture

1268
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,640
criminals here that committed crimes in

1269
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,680
Oakland or in St. Louis or somewhere

1270
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,319
else. And they they capture people in

1271
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,720
other cities. Well, the sergeant just

1272
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,800
mentioned one that happened last week in

1273
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,240
other cities that were committed here in

1274
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,640
Woodside. It's the integration of them.

1275
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,480
Um that's really the again with air

1276
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,000
quotes the beauty of the system that it

1277
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
can track people in other areas. And we

1278
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,839
have I remember uh talking with um uh

1279
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,640
the chief in Hillsboro about how they

1280
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,720
caught a criminal at the Hillsdale Mall

1281
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,440
that had just comm you know in um uh I

1282
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,800
think that's San Monteo if I'm not

1283
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,480
mistaken.

1284
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,559
That's right. Um that had committed a

1285
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,319
crime in Hillsboro in in u Hillsboro and

1286
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:31,680
um that's sort of the way the system

1287
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,000
works. Um but I do think that the

1288
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,240
auditing that we have in place now is

1289
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,319
insufficient. I do agree with the third

1290
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:39,839
party auditor by the way. I'm against

1291
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:42,079
using this for any other reason than

1292
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,920
what we have now. The narrow reason for

1293
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,240
law enforcement I think is why we did

1294
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,720
it. Not for speeding and not for you

1295
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,720
know other other activities. I think

1296
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,079
that um we should just sort of uh stick

1297
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,319
to what we originally went through.

1298
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,400
That's my my opinion. But the proposal

1299
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,000
that I have, I actually wrote this right

1300
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,359
after um Jason had given a previous uh

1301
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:08,400
um audit report on this thing. And if

1302
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,400
I'm not mistaken and and the sergeant

1303
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,880
can correct me if I'm wrong, the data

1304
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,000
that you get every quarter is exported

1305
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,119
onto an Excel spreadsheet with I think

1306
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,040
it's like seven columns. And the columns

1307
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,960
are the, you know, the number, the

1308
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,280
agency that requests it, the requesttor,

1309
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,440
which is some redacted or disguise

1310
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,839
somehow, the reason for it, etc. There

1311
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,119
were like those are the columns because

1312
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:32,800
that's what we asked them to audit. And

1313
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,960
then you choose out of those several

1314
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,920
thousand 10 at random, and you look at

1315
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,440
them to make sure that they comply with

1316
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,520
our policy. I think that's the way

1317
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,280
it's done. So, you have this Excel

1318
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,800
spreadsheet. So, I mean, I'm not a

1319
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,319
wizard on Excel, although I have to

1320
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:50,240
admit, I'm actually pretty good. But but

1321
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,079
the but on an Excel spreadsheet, all you

1322
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:56,160
have to do is sort by the agency.

1323
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,599
So, instead of picking 10 at random, I

1324
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:03,119
can propose a 100% audit that he can do

1325
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,599
with the click of a mouse once, and that

1326
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,160
is just sort the column on agency, and

1327
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,920
they'll be alphabetized, and they should

1328
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,640
almost all be Sano County Sheriff's

1329
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,200
Office. There should be some for the San

1330
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,119
Monteo Police Department and some for

1331
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,040
the Redwood City Police Department. If

1332
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,119
there's any other names on that, we're

1333
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,000
not in compliance. And that's 100%. We

1334
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,319
will reveal every single agency that's

1335
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:29,680
on there. So, that's actually easier

1336
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,160
than the current audit process, which is

1337
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
10 out of 5,000 or whatever it is every

1338
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,400
single quarter. We could do a 100% audit

1339
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,319
simply by sorting on the agency

1340
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:43,440
requesttor column and alphabetizing it

1341
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,359
and taking a look at who's there and all

1342
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,200
I need back because this is the key

1343
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,880
element for us. It's we want to make

1344
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,880
sure that let's be frank about it. ICE

1345
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,880
is not accessing our information. That's

1346
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,880
kind of what this is about and I'm

1347
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,079
perfectly fine with that. So I um and I

1348
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,480
concur with the with the u reservations

1349
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,240
that we have about that. We're a little

1350
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,079
bit less concerned that Redwood City

1351
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:05,760
Police are doing it and was it a valid

1352
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,760
reason and who was the requesttor and

1353
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,760
what was the result of that? Uh we we

1354
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,480
sort of I I I think that um there's a

1355
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,040
certain trust that we have in our law

1356
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,480
enforcement officials and we've yet to

1357
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,319
uncover anything there and I seriously

1358
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:20,480
doubt pulling 10 at random is ever going

1359
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,800
to reveal them. But we could actually

1360
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,839
analyze again 100% of the inquiries from

1361
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,000
agencies and make sure that only the

1362
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,240
authorized agencies are there literally

1363
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,559
with the click of a mouse in a nancond

1364
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,480
and the sergeant can look at it and all

1365
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,559
he has to do is report back to us that

1366
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,640
every single encounter and inquiry made

1367
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,480
this quarter was from an authorized

1368
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,640
agency and that should satisfy this

1369
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,040
period. Now that doesn't mean that flock

1370
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,480
is perfect and it doesn't mean that

1371
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,599
they're doing things but they're not

1372
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,720
doing it in Woodside. So, I do assume

1373
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,720
that they or if I read the press reports

1374
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,280
correctly, they are in violation in some

1375
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,720
cities. I, you know, we've heard Oakland

1376
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,799
and Mountain View and uh I forgot there

1377
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,799
was some other ones that are there that

1378
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,000
that's their business. And I know that

1379
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
Flock's got perfect rationale for why

1380
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,880
it's not their fault and it was under a,

1381
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,640
you know, an investigation or it was

1382
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,240
under some other, you know, a trial

1383
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,000
period. Whatever it is, it's fine with

1384
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,760
me. It they are not violating Woodid's

1385
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,119
rules that we set up for them. and it is

1386
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,960
being administered by Sergeant Baragno.

1387
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,880
And so for that reason, I think we need

1388
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,559
that. Now, there's a second part to

1389
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,359
this. So, sorry to go on so long here,

1390
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:31,200
but the but but the first one is we may

1391
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:32,640
not need a third party audit. I'm all

1392
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,319
for it. If we could get this complete

1393
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:36,480
list of who's accessed the information,

1394
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,920
that would satisfy it because no matter

1395
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,319
what the auditor does, if they do a 95%

1396
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,160
audit, there's going to be somebody in

1397
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,160
this room who thinks that the 5% is

1398
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,079
where all the criminal that's where all

1399
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,319
the access are taking place. And even if

1400
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:50,000
we find another vendor, as soon as they

1401
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000
go to Flock to track down that stolen

1402
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,920
car, you're open again. There you are.

1403
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,839
You've just exposed it to Flock once

1404
00:56:55,839 --> 00:56:57,760
more. So, this is a way that we can at

1405
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,559
least assure that our data is is has not

1406
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,000
been accessed by an outside agency.

1407
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,839
The last thing I wanted to do is I think

1408
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:07,520
we need to get a certification from

1409
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,319
Flock that our data has in fact been

1410
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:12,640
deleted after the what is it 60 days? I

1411
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,480
think is is that is ours 45?

1412
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:15,040
>> 60 days.

1413
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,760
That is a certification that we

1414
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,799
need. That's the belt and suspenders. So

1415
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:23,920
if the Sanonteo County Sheriff's Office

1416
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,920
certifies that no other agency with a

1417
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,559
100% audit has accessed our data and

1418
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:31,359
flock and tell us that all your data

1419
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:33,280
that's older than 60 days with the

1420
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,559
exception of the ones we know about

1421
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,119
ongoing investigations, trials, etc.

1422
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,880
that that are that are there and there's

1423
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,720
handful handfuls of those that continue

1424
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,200
past 60 days. If Flock can do that and

1425
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,440
we can do 100% audit, I think that's the

1426
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,280
belt and suspenders that at least I'm

1427
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,359
hearing from folks who are so concerned

1428
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,520
about it. We should be able to uh lock

1429
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,920
this down at least for a quarter.

1430
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,520
So anyway, that was my suggestion. I

1431
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,240
wrote this to um our prior town manager

1432
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,720
and did not hear back.

1433
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,200
>> I think that's an impressive um an

1434
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,559
impressive response. So, um, yeah, why

1435
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:09,680
are we going to pay somebody if we could

1436
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,839
just get the 5,000 data 500?

1437
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:13,280
>> We do a 100% audit. Yeah,

1438
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,359
>> as a list, but who who would audit that?

1439
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,400
We would

1440
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,839
>> the same person.

1441
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:18,880
>> That's if you want a third party

1442
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,079
auditor, that's going to be the issue.

1443
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:20,640
You're going to have to

1444
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,760
>> he's certifying though.

1445
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:25,760
>> I know. I know. But I think just belers

1446
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,440
if you wanted it. Could could that

1447
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,599
report be generated just the agency

1448
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,319
names of every not not the cases not all

1449
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:34,079
the details but just a list of all

1450
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,960
agencies that have accessed it in alpha

1451
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:43,200
order. Uh and it could go to a staff member here it could

1452
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,280
go to council. It could go um you know

1453
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,960
there are ways to do that that we don't

1454
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,720
that we could effectively become a third

1455
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,640
party auditor by reviewing it. What are

1456
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,920
your thoughts Jenn? Yeah, I mean I think

1457
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,200
the point here is is to not oversimplify

1458
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,839
it but trust but verify, right? And we

1459
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:00,000
have reports that Flock is not

1460
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,319
trustworthy, that they're unreliable.

1461
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:06,240
Um, and you know, you know, I absolutely

1462
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,280
have all the respect for our law

1463
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,799
enforcement partners, but there's been

1464
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,880
reports from other jurisdictions that

1465
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,880
there's been misuse by law enforcement

1466
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,720
partners. But I think to really ensure

1467
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,119
that this data is being used

1468
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:18,720
appropriately,

1469
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,720
um, we really just need a neutral third

1470
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,480
party to come in and say, "Yep, you

1471
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,240
know, we've looked at it. There's no

1472
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,160
issues." I think it could be structured

1473
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,119
in a very cost-effective way. It's also

1474
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,040
what other jurisdictions are doing as

1475
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,960
well. I think this is the the um where

1476
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,520
all this where all this is headed um

1477
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,160
given all of the issues that towns have

1478
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,839
experienced and law enforcement agencies

1479
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:44,319
have experienced with uh flock. I mean

1480
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:46,160
when I say law enforcement agencies have

1481
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,920
experienced issues with flock. I mean I

1482
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,280
think the the mountain view uh police

1483
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,040
shut it down. I think there's other

1484
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,839
examples of that. So, um I'm all for

1485
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:59,680
making our um you know, our audit like

1486
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,960
to the extent we want to continue doing

1487
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,960
it more robust, but I I think in order

1488
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,480
to really confirm that um everything is

1489
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,640
above board, we really needed we we are

1490
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,799
not data auditors, right? Like this is

1491
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,680
very technical stuff. It's all about um

1492
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,760
you know, stuff that I am not equipped

1493
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:20,079
to audit at all. Um, and

1494
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,880
it I think we just need somebody that's

1495
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,559
skilled in this to come in and be like,

1496
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,680
"Yep, we're all good."

1497
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,760
>> What I'm But what I'm proposing is no

1498
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,400
matter, like I said, if we do a 95%

1499
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,680
audit, there's going to be a question

1500
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,920
about the 5% that you miss. I'm

1501
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,559
proposing a 100% audit. And yeah, I'm perfectly fine with somebody

1502
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,640
verifying what the sergeant comes up

1503
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,280
with. First of all, Sergeant, I I I'm

1504
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,480
sorry that I didn't get back to you. Is

1505
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,559
what I propose feasible?

1506
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,280
>> So just uh number-wise, you're you're

1507
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,000
probably looking around it is 100%

1508
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,720
feasible. Um the way it is is the audit

1509
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,280
report is going to that I run, you have

1510
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,000
to run it in 30-day increments.

1511
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,200
So for that 30 days, I'd say just

1512
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,760
averaging a 30-day inquiry, you're

1513
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,960
probably running anywhere between 7 to

1514
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,440
10,000 search inquiries into the

1515
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,520
network. So over that quarter you're

1516
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,640
looking close to you're not at the 5,000

1517
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,040
number range. You're more at the 30,000,

1518
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,839
you know, 25 to 30,000 range. Um but

1519
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:28,400
that column of the agencies that um

1520
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,160
searched it um is easily able to sort it

1521
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,680
in in that Excel spreadsheet. Um it's

1522
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,520
also built into the privacy settings

1523
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,680
that you guys have already established

1524
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,960
as far as who's able to look at it. uh

1525
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,920
search network and that's also there's

1526
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,200
three in the column and it's the

1527
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,880
sheriff's office road city and uh Santo

1528
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,040
PD. So um that's I could easily run

1529
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,480
those reports. I could easily sort out

1530
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,200
that column for you guys and do that um

1531
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,097
if you wanted to look at all

1532
01:02:01,097 --> 01:02:02,720
[clears throat] again it fluctuates each

1533
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,880
month on how many inquiries into the

1534
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,319
system are there. But I'd say you're

1535
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,000
averaging probably 25 to 30,000

1536
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,480
inquiries for a quarter.

1537
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,400
>> A lot. I mean, another thing is like,

1538
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,480
you know, this this audit wouldn't be

1539
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,440
able to to verify um that our settings

1540
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,680
haven't been altered by Flock, which has

1541
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:20,880
happened to other jurisdictions, right?

1542
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,319
I mean, Flock already told us that we

1543
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:24,160
weren't on national lookup, but can we

1544
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,680
really believe that given that they said

1545
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,200
that to other jurisdictions and turned

1546
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,390
out to be wrong?

1547
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,000
» Well, one thing we've learned is that

1548
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,240
because you can search for it's not just

1549
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,240
sorting. you could simply search for ICE

1550
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,640
and search for any of the issues very

1551
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,040
quickly. Um, at least it's telling us

1552
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,480
that maybe the scope of a third party

1553
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,839
auditor isn't going to be that

1554
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:47,760
expensive.

1555
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,280
So,

1556
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760
um, and I, you know, I'd point out that

1557
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,040
even if we changed vendors on this and

1558
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,680
we used Acme

1559
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,440
camera system or whatever, whatever it

1560
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,359
is out there, their database could be

1561
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:03,040
accessed by ICE, too. We just don't

1562
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,040
know.

1563
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,880
Well, I think it depends on

1564
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,640
>> So, as soon as we get a report from De

1565
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,559
Moines, Iowa that the Acme database was accessed by ICE without them

1566
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,640
knowing, do we now look for the next

1567
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,240
vendor? I mean, it's just I think we're

1568
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,359
sort of chasing it here. We control the

1569
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,000
access through the Sanonteo County

1570
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,319
Sheriff's Office and that and that's

1571
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:26,160
where I think we should focus our

1572
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,680
efforts. I would like to get a statement

1573
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,799
from Flock at least annually that our

1574
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:33,359
data is being deleted. I think council

1575
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:35,760
member Wall makes a good point and that

1576
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,839
our our data has not been accessed by

1577
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:40,160
outside agencies. Their our database

1578
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,400
that they have not the because if it's

1579
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,039
been deleted every 60 days the exposure

1580
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:46,319
is 60 days.

1581
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:47,440
>> I mean I think I don't know if you call

1582
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,359
but I think a lot is not deleted. I

1583
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:51,680
think a lot gets bundled into this

1584
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,559
active investigation bucket. Um, so it

1585
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:57,839
was surprising to me to learn that that

1586
01:03:57,839 --> 01:03:59,680
um

1587
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,240
that a lot of this is not deleted within

1588
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,240
60 days. And I think an audit should look into whether or not um

1589
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,079
things are rightfully in that bucket of,

1590
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:11,599
you know, being an active investigation.

1591
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,599
There's a lot of nuance here. Um, and I wish I did a better job of trying to

1592
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,000
tease out some of the nuance, but again,

1593
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,480
because it's so nuanced and technical, I

1594
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,160
think it's really important that we we

1595
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,520
have a third party look at it. That's

1596
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:24,319
that is that

1597
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:28,549
>> I'm I'm in complete agreement.

1598
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:32,559
» Okay. So, uh you think we should give a

1599
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,520
take a vote on direction uh to accept

1600
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,280
and also uh direction to third party

1601
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,920
auditor RFP put one in place.

1602
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,599
>> I think that was a motion. Yes.

1603
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:47,280
>> Okay. Do we have that motion?

1604
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,559
>> It' be one motion or do you need two

1605
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:54,789
motions? One motion.

1606
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:56,480
» I mean, I think the acceptance of the

1607
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,240
audit and then voting on a third party

1608
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,520
voting, you know what I mean? It is two

1609
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,079
separate concepts. So, I

1610
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,839
>> we got the time.

1611
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:06,400
>> Um, but

1612
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,359
it Okay.

1613
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:10,160
>> Get a motion to accept. I'm

1614
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,359
>> Can we?

1615
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:16,150
>> Yes.

1616
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,039
Do we have a second?

1617
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:20,480
>> Oh, I'll make a second. I'm sorry.

1618
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:20,799
This is

1619
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:25,599
>> This was to This just to accept the Yes.

1620
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,039
>> Uh, Council Member Aubish.

1621
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:27,359
>> Yes.

1622
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:28,480
>> Council member Brown.

1623
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:28,880
>> Yes.

1624
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,839
>> Council member [snorts] Gold.

1625
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:30,319
>> Yes.

1626
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:32,480
>> Council member Wall.

1627
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,720
So,

1628
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,359
um I'm going to vote yes to accept

1629
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:42,000
because I do think that the audit um

1630
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,000
complies with what we have asked for. I

1631
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,240
think town staff has given us what we

1632
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,480
have asked for. I think I've made it

1633
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,720
really very clear. I think it's not

1634
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,079
adequate. So, I just wanted to explain

1635
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,520
my vote. Um so,

1636
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,839
>> got it. And and so it was smart to break

1637
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:01,359
these out. That's good. Uh, and I'm a

1638
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:04,000
yes as well. Yeah. And the second part

1639
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,440
is the motion on the third party auditor

1640
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,960
RFP.

1641
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,559
>> Uh, I move to um give the staff

1642
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:17,359
direction to um draft an RFP um for a

1643
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:20,000
third party auditor.

1644
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,520
>> Second.

1645
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,200
>> Council member Alberish.

1646
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:24,559
>> Yes. Council member Brown.

1647
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,000
>> Yes. Council member Gold.

1648
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,559
>> Yes. Council

1649
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:27,920
>> member Wall. Yes. Mayor

1650
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,039
>> Donowski.

1651
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,440
>> Yes. Thank you. And thank you, Sergeant.

1652
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,160
Appreciate you being here tonight.

1653
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,520
>> Thank you very much.

1654
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:40,069
>> Take care.

1655
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,839
» Moving on to reports, volunteer report,

1656
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:44,720
anything?

1657
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,520
>> Yes. Uh the co-ed softball league is

1658
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,640
going to be starting uh in June and on

1659
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,319
June 22nd. And uh registration for

1660
01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:56,160
current team members is going to be

1661
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,079
going out. And then if anybody in town

1662
01:06:58,079 --> 01:06:59,680
is interested in starting up another

1663
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,000
team, then they need to reach out to the

1664
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,400
softball commissioner, Richard Mains, as

1665
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,280
soon as possible.

1666
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:13,430
Thank you. Any council communications?

1667
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,079
Okay, seeing none, uh we will call it at

1668
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:20,200
809. Thank you all.