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going to begin with the pledge of

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>> allegiance.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> All right. Roll call.

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>> Chair Gar

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>> here.

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>> Vice Chair Tobert

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Weaver

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>> here.

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>> And Commissioners Evans and Ganero are

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noted absent.

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>> Great. Uh are there any changes to the

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agenda?

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>> Um there are no changes to the agenda.

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Uh however, you have two desk items. Um

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one is from a member of the public. Uh

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she's um brought up some concerns

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related to unpermitted improvements and

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the equestrian trail easement for our

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only public hearing tonight, which is

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item number two. Um she's also uh

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brought up some questions about

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landscaping in the right of way. And um

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in response to that, those are items

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that will have to be dealt with um in

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any event. But it also in response to

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that, we've included a few extra

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conditions of approval uh just to ensure

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that those unpermitted um improvements

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are taken out of the trail easement and

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that they work with the public works

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department uh to determine what if

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anything can remain in the public right

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away regarding the landscape elements.

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Um and then uh lastly in the um desk

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item resolution, it's just a formatting

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change that we're doing with all of our

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staff reports for formal design review.

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so we've just revised that for our new

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uh updated format, but it doesn't have

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any substantive change. Um and then

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get to that item. All right.

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>> Okay. Thanks. We're going to move to uh

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public communications. If there are

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members of the public either here or on

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the agenda tonight, uh now is the time.

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And for those online, please use a raise

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hand feature if you'd like to make a

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» There are no raise hands.

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» All right. Uh we are going to move on

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then to the consent agenda. So aimed

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tonight, I believe the first item we

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have is the minutes. So uh approval of

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the May 20th, 2026 minutes is the first

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piece. And does anyone have any comments

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on the minutes? Uh as written.

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» I move that the minutes from May 20th be

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» Chair Weaver.

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I'm sorry. Excuse me. Chair Gar.

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>> Vice Chair Tober.

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Commissioner Weaver.

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okay? Uh well, in that case, we're going

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to move on to the uh the public hearing

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for the first item, which is 170 Fox

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Hollow Road.

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Uh everyone hope you're having a great

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start to your week. Um, this

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presentation is going to include a brief

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analysis for formal design review uh to

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demolish an existing single family

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dwelling

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school and associated site improvements

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and construction of a new single family

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main residence with an attached garage

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and attached studio ADU. Two detached

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accessory dwelling units, a detached

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trellis, a pool and associated site

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improvements on a lot located at 170 Fox

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Road. The project does require approval

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of a maximum mean resident size

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exception as well as a grading exception

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for site grading in excess of 1500 cubic

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yards. Um the desk items as mentioned

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earlier are pertaining to this

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particular item and the project is

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categorically exempt from the provisions

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of SQA.

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As a quick overview, the subject

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property is about 3.013 acres and it's

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located at the end of Fox Hollow Road.

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family main residence, a pool and

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associated site improvements which we

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can see a little bit on the existing

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plans here on the right. Site slopes

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upward from Foxall Road and contains

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numerous significant trees along the

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peripheries of the property. Large

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portions of the existing tree stands

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existing east, south, and west of the

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existing main residence.

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proposed to construct a new single

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family main residence which is the

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L-shaped structure that you see

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approximately in the center of the lot

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here. Um near the general location of

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the existing main home which we can see

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dashed outlined in the center as well.

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front of the structure where my cursor

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is and then the detached um the attached

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studio ADU is uh partially daylighted

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and it's under this portion of the

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residence. Um this is the proposed pool

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ADU up here. Trellis is dashed over

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adjacent to the pool. And then we have

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new guest ADU adjacent to a proposed

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autoc court. Um the driveway here has

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been rerouted from the lower portion of

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the property frontage to the northward

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portion of the property frontage. Uh we

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can see that outlined here in the darker

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residence elevations.

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employs one and twostory elements. Um

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which helps to break up that massing a

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little bit. Um, we have covered patio

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spaces adjoining adjoining the front and

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the rear property facads and the

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building contains medium to high pitch

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gable roofs connected by a series of

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small breezeways.

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glazing that is oriented towards these

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outdoor living spaces.

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units that are detached from the main

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house are complimentary to the main

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house structure. where they have medium

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pitch gable roots as well. Um, and you

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can see uh relatively low visual

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footprint on that trellis adjacent.

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Here's a brief overview of the colors

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and materials palette. You also have

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physical material samples to your left

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on the table uh for a little bit of a

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better idea of what those look like in

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person. Um the main house contains

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weathered wood siding, rubble stone

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walls, standing sea metal roofs, patina

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steel doors, windows, metal railing, and

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metal cladding. Um we have an assortment

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of earth tones including browns, grays,

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um charcoal gray leaning towards black

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detached ADUs including wood siding,

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steel doors and windows, stone veneer,

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and standing seam metal roofs as well in

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the same colors and materials palette.

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project did go before the architectural

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and site review board for conceptual

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design review. The applicant was

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commended for their colors and materials

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choices as well as their simple forms,

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but the ASRB did request that they make

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some tweaks to the fenistration on the

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building as well as um the site grading

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to minimize that to the greatest extent

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possible. The project did return on May

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18th for formal design review and at

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that time the architectural and site

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review board deemed that the project had

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satisfied all their outstanding design

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concerns.

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be pertaining to the grading exception

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um which is the planning commission

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angle that was not addressed by the

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architectural insight review board. As

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mentioned earlier pursuant to section

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151.22 of the municipal code. Um this

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grading exception is required because

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the grading for the proposed site

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exceeds 1500 cubic yards. We have a pro

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a proposal of approximately 2560 cubic

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yards of sight specific grading that

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basement or the pool cuts. Those are

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excluded from that valuation. Um the

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municipal code does allow the planning

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commission to approve a site grading

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exception so long as the findings that

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the slide are met. After reviewing the

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proposed project, staff believes that

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the project plans meet the findings

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required to grant a grading exception. A

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comprehensive review of the overview of

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um the stat the staff determination is

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available in the staff report if you

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sorry the various facets of the project

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that came to that determination. Um but

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both the required findings as well as

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the project details that we believe

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support the findings if additional

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till the end of the presentation? Um,

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members of the team here available to go

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over both the architectural angle and

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the grading angle. Um, so if you have

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anything that's not clearly covered by

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the staff report, they will be able to

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help. But otherwise, I'm able to answer

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this slide particularly which is just so

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physical constraints related to grading.

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this correctly which is if if lock

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configuring topography

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uh removal of significant trees. So it's

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basically saying that we have to find

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that there's no removal of significant

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trees required or is it are we

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interpreting that correctly?

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holistically with all of these different

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items. So any one of these things could

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be a significant constraint to grading.

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significant constraint. Uh you know it

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doesn't mean you can't remove any trees

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but an effort to try to preserve some of

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the trees on site. Um sometimes that has

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other constraints such as septic systems

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balance your grading on site. Those are

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other things that are considered. So,

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those items and are are those things

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that uh would not be significantly

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impacted by the proposed grading. Um, so

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systems, your groundwater, the you know

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landslide areas, all those things would

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Um that's pretty much the overview of

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the project. As mentioned, um detailed

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findings are available in the staff

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report as well as the draft resolution.

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Um, but happy to answer any questions

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pertaining to how staff came to our

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recommendation or any further questions

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on the grading exception in and of

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itself or if you have any questions on

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the maximum main resident size exception

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which is also um needed for approval in

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conjunction with this project. Happy to

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help answer any questions.

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» Yes, I had a couple of brief questions.

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Um in this case the maximum resident

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size exception is purely formulaic and

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if the grading exemption was not

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required this uh particular project

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would not have come to planning

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commission.

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>> That's correct.

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>> Okay. Um the second question is related

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to equestrian access

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along the rightway on Fox Hollow Road.

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um made a second site visit this

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afternoon with that in mind and it looks

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like going on Fox Hollow Road that the

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horse path such as it is

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um crosses the road a couple of times

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based on the slope immediately where the

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asphalt ends and where trees are and and

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so it goes back and forth across the

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road. Does the town ha um

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if the town uh by virtue of the road has

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an easement along both sides of the

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road, do we actively defend the easement

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on both sides of the road if on one side

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of the road it's clear that there really

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isn't any effective um um equestrian

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access?

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So, it's a public road, so I' I'd have

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to look at maps, but my guess is that

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the trail is it within the public right

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of way. Um, so it wouldn't necessarily

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be uh a dedicated easement. So, um if

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there's any trails within the right of

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way, they're allowed to be there. They'd

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be maintained and um the way they're set

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up is usually what how best suits the

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topography or what's been out there. Um

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but trail easement on the property,

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that's a dedicated easement. the town um

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maintains those easements. Uh but as

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noted earlier, they'll have to

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>> but the rule is you're not allowed to

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have an improvement on the easement even

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if it's an impracticable easement from

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the standpoint of walking or riding or

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being used at all.

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>> There's encroachment permits can be

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granted an easement similar as they are

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in public rightways. Um, trail easements

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are generally to be kept free and clear,

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but if there's some reason for some type

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of improvement, that would be looked at

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by public works and technically the

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process would be to get an encroachment

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permit.

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And then the final point would be in the

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context of looking at equestrian access

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to the trail that runs along the edge of

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the property where that is located at

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the very end of the culdesac

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where a number of properties come

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together. They're quite large

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properties. They have nice outdoor

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landscaping. They have pools. I suspect

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that quite often people would have

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rather large parties out there. And the

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question came up in my mind is

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um does the town ever put up no parking

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signs where the trail access point

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begins to ensure that during a party

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that the valet doesn't block the

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equestrian trail access?

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>> That's a good question. Um I have to

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talk to public works. I I mean I think

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it's something we can easily pass on to

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them as a concern. Uh and because you

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were correct obviously it'd be very bad

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if they blocked the trail and the horse

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was trying to get out of it especially.

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I mean I know that there are other

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locations where such trails start and

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there's a gate but like in my

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neighborhood I know that there are

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certain locations where in 20 years I've

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never seen vehicles parked but it seemed

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like out here at the end of the

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culde-sac that that would be a prime

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location for the equestrian trail to be

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blocked by vehicles parked there.

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>> Yeah. No, that's it's a very good

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question. We'll definitely follow up

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with public works to see if some I think

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some good signage there would be

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important.

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>> That is all I had.

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» Well, a few questions. Um, and we'll

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probably get into them a bit more when the applicant presents as well, but

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just interested in the ASRB sort of the

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context of some of the discussion there.

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Mhm.

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>> Um, you know, so I went went to the site

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earlier and and and looked at it and I

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mean it's interesting that the mask kind

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of hits you when you when you go there

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it's it's uh it's it's sort of oh that's up there kind of turning your

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head up which is a little bit uh not not

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super typical in Woodside. Um and I'm

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sort of interested in in the discussions

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around you know mass and bulk. saw they

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had um asked about the the sort of the long or the short ends, right? And and sort of stepping back which um

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which it looks like was done in a in an

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iteration. At the same time, there's the

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longest sort of

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um lack of a better term sort of slab

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sides of the twotory structures are, you

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know, single material,

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no variation in terms of all of that,

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which

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when I look at the design guidelines,

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mass and bulk, it's it's a little bit

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different in terms of how that reads

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versus what I see in the design. I'm

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just curious, was that discussed in

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ASRB? because I saw them sort of

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commending but at the same time some of

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these pieces seem a little bit different

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than what we see in the design

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guidelines.

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>> Yeah, absolutely. Um I did pull a couple

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slides um kind of showing the changes um

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that occurred between conceptual and

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formal design review. Is that showing up

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for you guys on the screen? Okay. Down

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there. Okay, great. Um so actually they

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did commend the materials pallet

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especially um and the simple forms of

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the structure. So those were areas that

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they actually highlighted some

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appreciation for um as seen in the CDR

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action letter. Um their primary concerns

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as it pertained to the actual structures

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um and these were matters that were

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rectified prior to formal design review.

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You can see here um CDR difference

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between

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the fenestration that we see on the

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south and north elevations. Um they did

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some substantial decreases um in the

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amount of windows and glazing on the

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facades of the buildings uh just because

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they had expressed concerns regarding

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light emission. But that was really the

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central piece of commentary from the

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architectural and site review board as

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it pertained to the actual structure

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designs. Um and they felt as though

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these modifications as we see on the

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lower level here had sufficiently

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rectified those concerns. In all out,

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they they did discuss the the mass. I I think it'd really at the they they um

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they kind of looked at the simplicity as

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a positive and with that, you know, be

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given the different kind of wings at the

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end with the lower levels. Uh they

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didn't have any direction to further

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break up this larger center mass.

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You next question is about so about the

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grading itself. Um so the the finding

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that it was you're asking about the

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language of before so finding a where

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it's talking about essentially

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constraints on the the grading right uh

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it does seem like there's removal of

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trees that are associated with this

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>> and so can you talk a little bit about

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maybe take us through some of the

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details on uh how the specific areas of

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grading

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well essentially just how that all ties

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together, right, in terms of tree

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removal and grading and relocation of

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the driveway, etc., etc., etc.

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>> Yeah, absolutely. And the applicant can

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speak in a little bit more detail. Um,

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are you specifically concerned with the

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ASRB's initial comments regarding

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grading and topography um relative to

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this constraint or um more so to the

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constraint itself relative to the final

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site condition? I mean really trying to

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understand if if if we can make the

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finding as contingent on you know those

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constraints not being there. So I'm just

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trying to get get a sort of more

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intuition for the degree to which things

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like the trees etc are potential

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constraints. Does that make sense?

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>> Okay, perfect. Sounds great. Um so

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here's a brief overview of the

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comprehensive site plan. Um we can see

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in here tree removal marked in the small

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red X's. Um, and as you can see

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throughout the site, um, these bubbled

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areas are representative of existing

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tree canopies that exist on the

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property. Um, so much like with other

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woodside properties, we're operating

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under a condition that there are some

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substantial quantities of trees out

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there. Um, and the code does allow for

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tree removal in conjunction with

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approved development permits. Um, in

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reading the applicants narratives

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regarding their grading selection and

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the locations in which they've chosen to

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orient their structures, um, one of the

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primary goals that they had highlighted

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was retaining the most significant

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amount of trees possible, especially as

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it came to um, balancing site grading.

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Typically, you'd be wanting to balance

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those quantities per the requirements of

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the code. um they are doing um an

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exception to balancing to avoid

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potential impacts and fill and cut uh

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regarding to those existing on-site

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trees. Um a lot of this orientation of

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the site is centered around existing

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development to the greatest extent

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possible. We can kind of see as

520
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mentioned earlier we do have the dashed

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existing structure. this lawn area does

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have a significant degree of overlap

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with the existing flat topography on the

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property. Um so there are areas in which

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tree removal is being done in

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conjunction with the proposed

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improvements. However, uh given that the

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site is heavily vegetated um to some

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degree the tweaking kind of runs us up

530
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against that problem regardless. Um but

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I think the applicant can speak in

532
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greater detail if there's anything uh

533
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regarding specific tree removal

534
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specifications.

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Um but they did highlight that that was

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essential part of their grading design

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was um minimizing impact on those

538
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existing trees as much as possible

539
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especially as it pertained to balancing

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fill on site. And yeah, I'll just add as Jillian's noted the the tree removal

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are some of the smaller trees and

542
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they're in the areas of the proposed

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development for primarily the structures

544
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um but some with the autoc court and

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then they you know they've chose to

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redirect the driveway um but they're

547
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also trying to be careful of avoiding

548
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those larger trees in the front. That's

549
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,080
part of some of the grading that

550
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,080
occurred for the driveway. And then per

551
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,880
the ASRB's recommendations as well,

552
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,720
we'll ensure that there's an arborist uh

553
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,159
report completed um and that the they

554
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:12,080
have an arborist on site specifically

555
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,840
with any of the grading around the

556
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,029
trees.

557
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:19,520
» Okay. Can you help point out on this

558
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,000
diagram

559
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,270
it looks like it's the red

560
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280
» Sorry if the resolution's a little bad.

561
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,039
Pull up the site plan. So, um, we have

562
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:34,960
this is kind of showing the development

563
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,559
on the lower half of the property. I'll

564
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,640
scroll up whenever you're ready. Um,

565
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,320
just that you can see kind of the tree

566
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,960
removal on the upper portion.

567
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,320
>> You'll see the one in the autoc court

568
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,880
and then couple in the footprint of the

569
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,280
buildings. So, that's the ADU and then

570
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,679
that's the main residence and then

571
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:54,559
there's some more um kind of near right

572
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,039
near the other accessory structures and

573
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,470
the pool area.

574
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,000
Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Do we do we

575
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,640
have in the plans the the details of

576
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,630
those?

577
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,799
» Yeah, I can there

578
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,440
>> pull it up real quick. I'm going to get

579
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,960
the higher resolution up so we can

580
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:50,310
actually read.

581
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,760
Oh, was sorry didn't switch over.

582
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,799
looking at something completely

583
00:24:54,799 --> 00:25:30,870
different than you guys.

584
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,799
So, um, not clearly xed out on here, but

585
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:38,240
you can see some of the labeling here. 6

586
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,000
in oaks, 10 inch oaks.

587
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,240
Within the footprint, you have 10.1

588
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,390
by one.

589
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,360
» They're significant trees or I'm looking

590
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,440
here. It doesn't look like they're

591
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,919
>> Yeah, there. So, so I'd have to remember

592
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,720
the certain sizes. Um, some of those are

593
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,559
close to significant or maybe like that

594
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:07,840
14-inch oak be a significant tree. Um,

595
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,600
yeah, I think a 13 inch once you get to

596
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,679
the 10 in and below, um, those would not

597
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:14,240
be significant trees. Um, just a

598
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,640
reminder to us all when you say 13-inch

599
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,640
tree, is that diameter or circumference?

600
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:36,630
>> Very good question. That's diameter.

601
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:50,390
to

602
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,080
» good evening. Jim, Toby, Liam Braves

603
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,760
Engineering, um with Civil Engineers on

604
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,320
the project. And as um Julian and Sage

605
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,600
are showing you here, you can see a lot

606
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,440
of the trees, they're um kind of xed

607
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,279
out. But um as the architect and the um

608
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,039
design team all together tried to figure

609
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,120
out what we can do out here, we really

610
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,400
tried to make sure that some of the more

611
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000
major trees, if you kind of go to the

612
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,919
next page, Julian, if you would please,

613
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:14,000
in 2.2, you can see like for instance on

614
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,320
the left hand side, kind of between the

615
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,559
driveways over to the left more where

616
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:20,480
your cursor is, you see some pretty

617
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,400
significant trees. Um there's a lot of

618
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,760
significant trees that have been worked

619
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400
around like those are 25 in 24in oak

620
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
trees pretty nicer oak trees than some

621
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,799
of the ones we're saving also in the

622
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,880
driveway. Um sorry go back to the other

623
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,919
page you were just at C 2.1 you can kind

624
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,000
of see right there you exactly right

625
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,960
there you can see there's some

626
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,720
significant trees that that are being

627
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,559
worked around lit the driveway is

628
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,880
literally being moved around so it works

629
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,600
around those existing larger oaks um

630
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,360
trying to make this work. Um, in terms

631
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,559
of a lot of the grading on there, you

632
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:51,600
know, one of the big things that

633
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,000
Woodside requires or tries to push on us

634
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,039
is to try to balance grading. Um, the

635
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:58,559
way the code reads in Woodside is that

636
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:00,480
the balance, it's the site grading, not

637
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,080
so much the the foundation and the

638
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,200
basement grading, but you're trying to

639
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,120
balance the site grading. And we're

640
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,640
actually pretty darn close on that based

641
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,240
on what we're trying to make work. You

642
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
know, it is a big site, but there's a

643
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:11,760
lot of constraints in the way. We have

644
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,480
trees, we have septic, um we have a lot

645
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,320
of the required items such as firet

646
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,039
truck access, firet truck turnarounds.

647
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,279
Um we have to provide a retention pond

648
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,039
for storm water quality. So there's a

649
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,919
lot that goes into all this and when you

650
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:28,240
start to add all those various things

651
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,600
together, that's where you start to get

652
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,960
some of these what look like bigger

653
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,120
numbers of grading. Um so we really

654
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,559
tried to do our best to try to balance

655
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,880
that as much as we could and try to work

656
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,880
around some of the more grand trees out

657
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,320
there. Yes, there's some trees that are

658
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,520
going to be going, but they're more of

659
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,600
the smaller trees for the most part and

660
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,000
trying to work around everything. So,

661
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,760
um, and trying to take all of those

662
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,279
various things into consideration. Um,

663
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,840
we have a 3acre plus site here. Um, we

664
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,200
have a lot of requirements that we have

665
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,799
to work around and that's how we kind of

666
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,159
came up with some of the numbers we did,

667
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,080
but we did our best to try to balance as

668
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120
much as we could on the property.

669
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,200
So, if you have any questions, I'm happy

670
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:15,510
to answer them.

671
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,679
I mean this distinction between smaller

672
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,320
trees and and you referred to them as

673
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,840
grand trees or we've talked about

674
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,240
significant trees. Can you talk a little

675
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,640
bit about the

676
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,159
smaller trees that you're taking out and

677
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:36,080
>> how big are they? just an idea versus

678
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,039
this [clears throat] what we call

679
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,799
significant trees or you refer to as the

680
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:39,760
grand trees.

681
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,960
>> You can see a lot of those trees right

682
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880
there. We're talking about, you know,

683
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,960
>> I would say typically if I'm of all the

684
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,960
projects I've worked on Woodside and in

685
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,640
the greater Bay Area, the trees that

686
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,080
people seem to be most concerned about

687
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,760
are oak trees and we're trying to

688
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,120
preserve a lot of those oak trees. So,

689
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,640
we have some sycamore trees, we have

690
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,960
some smaller oak trees there. It's

691
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,360
really the bigger trees, the 24, the 36

692
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440
inch trees. We're refer to them a lot of

693
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,159
times as heritage trees. Those are the

694
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:05,520
grand trees that you see. We're trying

695
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,960
to preserve those. Those are the kind of

696
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,440
the what give you the grand view, but

697
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,520
also the the the feeling that you're

698
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,679
really in part of nature still. So,

699
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,279
we're trying to work around those and

700
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,279
preserve those as much as we can. So,

701
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,279
given the that how many trees there are

702
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,000
and trying to do, you know, the all the

703
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,440
requirements we're trying to do, you can

704
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440
see that this kind of weird dash that's

705
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,200
in the background right there, that's

706
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,760
the required fire truck turnaround. Um

707
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,200
there's a lot of things we do that take

708
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,120
up a lot of room that are required. Um,

709
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,880
septic's a good example as well as the

710
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,200
firet truck turnaround. We're trying to

711
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440
work within all those rules and confines

712
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,799
and just pure nature of the beast. We

713
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,240
there are definitely some of the smaller

714
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,440
trees that we're going to have to get

715
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,000
rid of.

716
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,799
>> And how big are they in diameter?

717
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,960
>> Um, well, they're they're um if they're

718
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960
a 10-in tree, so we I would have to do

719
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,640
the calculations, but you know, you're

720
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,799
going you would have to go 2 pi r. So,

721
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,399
whatever the radius is, half the radius.

722
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:02,880
So 5 in tree 2 * 5 * pi would be you

723
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,039
know 30 in something like that 30 in

724
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,799
around for a 10-in tree.

725
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,240
>> Yeah. And that's the circumference. I

726
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,200
think he was just asking about the

727
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,679
diameter. I

728
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,039
>> was asking about

729
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,080
>> Oh diameter is um

730
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,279
>> that's what's shown on the plants.

731
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:16,480
>> Yeah, that's right there. 10inch tree is

732
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,440
the diameter.

733
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,200
>> Most of the trees that you're cutting

734
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
are less than 14 inch in diameter.

735
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,360
>> I'd say the majority of them. Yes.

736
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,080
They're they're between 10 and 14 in. We

737
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,440
really trying to save some of the bigger

738
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080
ones. You can see that's 10. That's 13.

739
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,840
Um, you can go around the plants.

740
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,120
There's a bunch of different sheets

741
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,640
there that go around the plants.

742
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Anywhere you have an X around that,

743
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,039
that's um, you know, smaller tree.

744
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,799
That's a 5-in Japanese maple right

745
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,080
there. So, you know, we prioritize the

746
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,440
bigger trees. That's always what we're

747
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,799
trying to do and trying to work around

748
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,640
those. And that's, you know, gives the

749
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,120
not only the grand look of the site, but

750
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,039
also preserves what are more of the more

751
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,120
significant trees to nature. You're not

752
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,440
cutting any trees above 20 in?

753
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360
>> I don't believe so.

754
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760
>> And you mentioned you mentioned a

755
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,919
working around other constraints. You

756
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:08,399
mentioned sewer. You mentioned can you

757
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:09,919
just highlight the other constraints and

758
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:11,200
how you've worked around them.

759
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
>> Yeah. So, um being where we are in

760
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,440
Woodside, we're nowhere near a sewer

761
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,320
system. So, we are on septic. Um septic

762
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,000
takes up a fair amount of room. Um

763
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Jillian, if you want to go back to that,

764
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,399
there's actually at the end of the civil

765
00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:26,399
plan set, there's a there's a um SUIC

766
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:28,320
plan. I can kind of show you how much

767
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,519
room that really takes up. There we go.

768
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,120
Um and you can see here there's two

769
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,640
different color lines. There's um the

770
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,159
blue lines are purple and the green

771
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,080
lines. And what you're required to do in

772
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,399
Woodside is is provide two sets of

773
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,720
lines. You provide primary septic system

774
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,440
lines and you provide expansions. You're

775
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,200
really only installing the primary

776
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,880
expansion, the primary lines. the

777
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,559
expansion's there in case there's ever a

778
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,799
problem, which I don't think I've ever

779
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,760
seen in my lifetime, you know, any sites

780
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,039
that really need that. I I wouldn't

781
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,880
expect in the next hundred years that

782
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,640
those those expansion lines would need

783
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,039
to be used, but nonetheless, we have to

784
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,640
provide for them by county code and for

785
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,679
health and safety reasons. Um there's a

786
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:08,880
whole bunch of places we're trying to

787
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,399
work. We're trying to use the natural

788
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,480
topography. You know, there's also a

789
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,919
bunch of trees that are in that area

790
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,000
we're maintaining and working around,

791
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,840
but we decided that, you know, try to

792
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
use the topography that's there. Try to

793
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,440
use the existing where the existing

794
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
house is now. Try to use where a lot of

795
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
the developments happened and where we

796
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,919
have more of a sloped area. That's where

797
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:30,720
we're putting the septic. So, once the

798
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,480
septic is installed, you'll never know

799
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
it's there. It's all underground. But,

800
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640
we're trying to prioritize trees as well

801
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,399
in those septic areas so that we work

802
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,640
around them.

803
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,159
Um, some of the other constraints are

804
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:44,159
obviously the driveway. You know, fire

805
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:45,760
department has very strict requirements

806
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,320
as far as the how wide the driveway is,

807
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,880
how steep it is, and at the end of the driveway, we have to

808
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,880
put a fairly large fire truck turnound.

809
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,080
So, we're making sure that's installed

810
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,679
in there. So, between that and then

811
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:03,519
also, if you can go to I think it's 31,

812
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,240
you can go real quickly. Yeah. See up

813
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,519
there in the top there's this what's

814
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,599
called a bio retention area. This is

815
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:10,879
something that's used for storm water

816
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,599
quality. It's um think of it as kind of

817
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,320
depressed planted area. Um general way

818
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
to think about it is if you were to

819
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,000
accidentally open your car door, you're

820
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,599
a nice person, you care about the

821
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,119
environment, you accidentally your

822
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,760
Starbucks wrapper falls out. Um your car

823
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,879
leaks a little oil, you don't even

824
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:29,119
realize it. When it rains, that all gets

825
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,119
picked up. And when what we do is we

826
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,159
grab all that, you know, water that

827
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,320
might have some hydrocarbons in it or

828
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,000
might have some trash in it. It goes to

829
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,159
this this bio retention area.

830
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,480
Essentially, it acts as a filter. Any

831
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,240
major trash gets stuck at the top.

832
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,079
Anything that's kind of in in this in

833
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,040
the water goes through kind of a planted

834
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,800
area where the plants actually help

835
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,200
decompose some of that um nasty water

836
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,720
and stuff like that. And what goes out

837
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,800
is more of a clean water. That's a

838
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,079
requirement that's all throughout

839
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:59,920
California now. So, but you can see just

840
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,000
by the look of it, it takes up a fair

841
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,920
amount of room. So, that's also a site

842
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,440
consideration that we have to be careful

843
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,320
of. And so we looked at try to find a

844
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,079
area of the site that was kind of out of

845
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,000
the way, wasn't going to um impact

846
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,000
trees, wasn't going to cause a

847
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,920
significant grading concern. And that's

848
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,470
kind of how we end up where we did

849
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880
» question. It's a little bit difficult in

850
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
the drawings to understand the specific

851
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,720
cut bill areas.

852
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,560
>> Can can we maybe would you be able to

853
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,000
take us through that?

854
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,040
>> Yeah. So, um, you can kind of see right

855
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,280
here that the the var let's go down one

856
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,200
page. We'll get the overall picture.

857
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,960
There we go. Nope. The overall There we

858
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,560
go. So, um, what we're doing here is

859
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,320
we're trying to say, you know, the

860
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,480
driveway comes in. We're keeping the

861
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,079
kind of more sloped areas that are off

862
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,760
to the right as you drive in or more top

863
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,359
of the page, top right of the page

864
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,480
there. Trying to keep that area natural.

865
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,079
Everything else in the areas that have

866
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,200
already been developed, those are the

867
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,359
areas we're trying to do grading in. So

868
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,119
you have things such as the roadway

869
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,200
itself as you come in off the off Fox

870
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,599
Hollow. You're having to dig down to put

871
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,839
a roadway base in there. So you uh you

872
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,320
know typical roadway, you know, you

873
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,920
can't just drive on the dirt. You have

874
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,440
to put down asphalt. You have to put on

875
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,680
rock underneath it. All that gets

876
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,280
contributed to how much grading you're

877
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,200
doing. We're trying to match the

878
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,119
existing grades as much as possible. But

879
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,480
even when we're matching existing

880
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
grades, we have to dig down to put the

881
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,200
appropriate materials. Um, as you go

882
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,119
around the property, you know, we've got

883
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,520
in the backyard there the the the law

884
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,280
the lawn area, which is basically taking

885
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,280
up the area where the old original house

886
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,359
was. We're going to be filling in the

887
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:39,440
foundations for that original house.

888
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,359
We're going to be filling that area a

889
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:42,800
little bit in so that it's a little more

890
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,280
level, a little more more usable area.

891
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,720
And then, of course, the house itself

892
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,280
has a basement, has a a driveway that

893
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,760
goes down to the bottom level. All that

894
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,359
is sight grading that we're using, but

895
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,280
we're trying to minimize that. I would

896
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,880
say in this case it's not so much we're

897
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,440
taking a huge one small area and doing a

898
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,200
massive amount of cut or fill or

899
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,240
anything like that, but we're kind of

900
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,920
spreading it out through most of the

901
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,430
site to kind of just balance things out.

902
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
» Can you maybe highlight the fill areas?

903
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:12,320
>> The what?

904
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,119
>> The fill areas.

905
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,400
are going to be kind of

906
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,920
over toward the left where the ADU is

907
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,079
and the fire truck turn around and then

908
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,079
also in the area in the back where the

909
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:21,760
um we have a routine wall in the back um

910
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,920
where the lawn is. That's along the the kind of large square back there.

911
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,760
Yeah, right around there. That's got a

912
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,240
couple feet of fill. Um, again, the

913
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,160
driveway itself is cutting out and we're

914
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,599
trying to place that fill somewhere. So,

915
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,359
we're trying to balance. So, we're

916
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,680
trying to do that kind of magical, you

917
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,920
know, let's take some from over here and

918
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,359
place it over here. So, those are the

919
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:42,720
kind of the main areas. The driveway

920
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,720
takes up a huge amount of it and we're

921
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,160
using that kind of backyard to kind of

922
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,079
place it still so that we can kind of,

923
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:49,680
you know, balance that out. But by

924
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,040
balancing it out, it also kind of makes

925
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,960
a usable area for the client to be able

926
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,280
to utilize and have what they would like

927
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,119
to do, you know, to have they can enjoy

928
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:58,640
their property.

929
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,800
>> And when you fill there, how does that

930
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,880
sort of look relative to the natural?

931
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,960
>> Well, again, that whole area is an area

932
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,040
that's already kind of flattened out.

933
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
So, it kind of raises and falls where

934
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,760
the old house was, where old landscape

935
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,200
was and everything like that. And we're

936
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,560
just kind of leveling it out. So, it's

937
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,119
not an area that was already very hilly

938
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,599
that we're cutting in or filling in or

939
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,839
making it so it's unnatural. We're kind

940
00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:25,440
of just spreading it out and leveling

941
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,069
that area out a little bit.

942
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,960
uh with respect to the bio retention

943
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,079
area when all the grading is complete

944
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:39,040
and the site is developed what sort of

945
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,760
square footage is that retention area um

946
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,000
u um draining essentially

947
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,520
>> I don't have that number exactly in

948
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,640
front of me but it's several hundred

949
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,720
cubic yards of grading um you can

950
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,960
imagine that that area right there you

951
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,480
know I would say that area is probably

952
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,240
about 50 by 70 ft and What we have to do

953
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,720
there is we have to dig down about 5 ft

954
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,160
straight down and replace that that dirt

955
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,680
that we took out. And then what gets

956
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,320
replaced with is a combination of

957
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,040
gravel. I have like 18 inches of gravel.

958
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Then we have what's called a bio

959
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,640
retention mix. It's kind of a special

960
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,119
soil that's just good for the

961
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,359
environment, good for um filtering storm

962
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:23,520
water. We have to import that soil

963
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,800
because it's not the soil that's on

964
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,200
site. the site, the soil that's on site

965
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,280
is fairly clayy and we're looking for

966
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,839
something that's kind of a combination

967
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:33,599
of mulch and sand and everything that

968
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,280
water can permeate through but also

969
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,320
plants can grow in. Um and that that's a

970
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,079
again that's that takes up a fair amount

971
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,960
of grading just that one entity that's a

972
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,240
requirement of the state to be able to

973
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,040
put that in.

974
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,720
>> Right. So that's included in the grading

975
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:47,280
total now.

976
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,079
>> Oh absolutely.

977
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:48,320
>> Okay.

978
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,000
>> Yeah. And then final question um the

979
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,720
size of that retention basin that is

980
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,760
sized for some nominal event is that

981
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,240
sized for like a 5year rainfall event or

982
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,200
20 year or

983
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,400
>> No, it's actually a little different

984
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,880
than that. So um the way it works is you

985
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,880
are required to provide a bio retention

986
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,359
area that essentially 4% of the

987
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:12,240
impervious areas on site that's driveway

988
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,160
roof stuff like that. It's a little

989
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,280
different than when you're talking about

990
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,800
storm drainage when you're like get

991
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,359
these events. Bio retention, ironically,

992
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,520
is made for smaller rainfalls. So, we

993
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,599
call it the first flush. You have the

994
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,160
entire summer where it hasn't rained and

995
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,680
that's where you can get stuff on the

996
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,920
ground. You get gunk from your car that

997
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,760
might fall out. You get trash that might

998
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,000
fall out. You don't even realize it.

999
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,920
It's that very first rainfall you get of

1000
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,680
the season that picks up the most

1001
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,280
dirtiest water and that gets

1002
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,480
transferred. Once the rains start, the

1003
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,359
vast majority of the um rain is clean

1004
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:46,720
because that's we've already got that

1005
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:48,480
first gunk. It's usually like the first

1006
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,720
rain, even if it is January and it's

1007
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,240
been raining all season, it's the first

1008
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,320
couple hours that rain that's really

1009
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,599
picking up the most and that's what

1010
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,359
we're trying to take with that. So, if

1011
00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:59,599
we get an absolutely huge storm, it'll

1012
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,520
actually have a bypass that it goes

1013
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,280
right beyond that. it should go through

1014
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,400
pretty well, but when you get a really

1015
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,480
huge storm, then it goes on to what's

1016
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,160
called the retention system, which is

1017
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
another storm drain device we have to

1018
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,280
work on at Woodside that um basically

1019
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,760
retains the water. So, because we're

1020
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,280
changing the amount of impervious

1021
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,119
surface on the site, we're not able to

1022
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:20,800
let that water percolate into the ground

1023
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,040
as much. We don't want to exasperate the

1024
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,720
creeks. Creek creeks right down by

1025
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,240
closest to Woodside Road. There's that's

1026
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,040
where Bear Gold Creek is. um that's

1027
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,560
where we're going to be basically reme

1028
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,480
metering the storm water and releasing

1029
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
it at a slower rate. So we're kind of

1030
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,640
doing double duty and that also gets

1031
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,480
included in that calculation. We have to

1032
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,160
put these fairly large pipes in the

1033
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,000
ground. That also gets calculated in

1034
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,599
that that calculation so we can make

1035
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,040
sure that we're accounting for that for

1036
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,599
the amount of dirt we're moving around.

1037
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,280
So there's a lot of requirements just

1038
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,880
not only what the client wants to see

1039
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,800
out there but with all the regulations

1040
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,200
that either the town has or state of

1041
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,640
California has imposed on the town and

1042
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,390
we have to follow.

1043
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,119
» Thank you.

1044
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:05,589
>> You're welcome.

1045
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:11,990
Got

1046
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,160
» Hi, my name is Ken Lindstead. I'm the

1047
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,839
architect for the project. Um,

1048
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,200
Commissioner Gar, I think you asked

1049
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,880
about the the um the massing and you saw

1050
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,359
a twotory story polling that seemed

1051
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:25,680
large. Um, I wanted to say that the

1052
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,359
break up of a mass, it's something that

1053
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:29,680
I've employed on other projects, is to

1054
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,280
actually break up the building into

1055
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,880
several component parts so you're not

1056
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,359
looking at one massive structure. So,

1057
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,359
the idea is to have gaps between

1058
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:40,480
buildings. There is one twotory element.

1059
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,560
Um, I always think story polls look a

1060
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,720
little more um alarming than they will

1061
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,560
be in in kind of built form, but the the idea was to do simple forms but

1062
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
break up to several buildings. So, I

1063
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,920
just wanted to point out that it's not

1064
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,480
necessarily changing materials in the

1065
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,240
facade, but to just break up the

1066
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,640
buildings as separate masses. And then

1067
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,119
the other point I wanted to make is that

1068
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,760
um I think the intent around uh

1069
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,839
Woodsides kind of like trying to limit

1070
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:09,520
the grading is so that you don't reshape

1071
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,920
a site from its natural state into

1072
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,920
something else. And we are really doing

1073
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,160
almost all of our grading as I've looked

1074
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,160
at Jim's numbers in that central area.

1075
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,480
We're filling in a big hole where the

1076
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,319
current house is. But I think it when

1077
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:23,599
it's all done it's going to be more

1078
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,400
restorative to the original topography

1079
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,119
before the last remodel was done. So

1080
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:39,349
those are my comments.

1081
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:46,870
» Thank you.

1082
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,240
» Are there if there's any members of the

1083
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,200
public?

1084
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,280
>> Yes. Public comments. Um are there

1085
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,520
anyone in the anyone in the room or on

1086
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,480
Zoom who would like to comment on the

1087
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,240
project?

1088
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,760
There are no members of the public on

1089
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:10,710
Zoom.

1090
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,240
» Great. Okay. Then we will close the

1091
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,920
public hearing and we will move to

1092
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,240
commission discussion.

1093
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,839
>> Would you like to

1094
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:19,760
>> um

1095
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,800
Yes. Um, I mean, based on what we've

1096
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,079
heard tonight and with the revisions in

1097
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,160
the draft resolution,

1098
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,520
um, I can make the findings and have no

1099
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,630
problem with this project.

1100
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,349
» I'm in the same boat.

1101
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:44,880
» Okay. Um, yeah, I believe I can make the

1102
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,160
findings as well. The the one that I was

1103
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,680
eventually concerned about was the tree

1104
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,480
removal. It seems like that is not the

1105
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:59,040
significant trees. I mean, frankly, that 42 in oak is just like that. I

1106
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,400
mean, that's like a heritage tree. So,

1107
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,680
if that were going, that would be

1108
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,160
another story. Um, but I think that's

1109
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040
been that's been effectively balanced.

1110
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960
um

1111
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,319
yeah I mean we talked through the the

1112
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:13,599
design guidelines um

1113
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,400
sort of defer to both the ASRB and the

1114
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,280
architect on the the massing strategy be

1115
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,720
a personal choice but at the same time

1116
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,640
it's um you know from a making the

1117
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,359
findings standpoint and with that want

1118
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:27,680
to respect their decisions at the ASRB

1119
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,640
level and so with that I believe I could

1120
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,560
also make the findings for this

1121
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,800
anyone like to any further discussion or

1122
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,710
do we want to make a motion?

1123
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,359
» Um, I would move that we approve the

1124
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:46,160
amended res um draft resolution as

1125
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,270
provided to us this evening by staff.

1126
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,630
» Seconded.

1127
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,520
» Chair Gar.

1128
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,240
>> Yes.

1129
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,440
>> Vice Chair Tober.

1130
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:57,839
>> Yes.

1131
00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,040
>> Commissioner Weaver.

1132
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,440
>> Yes.

1133
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,800
Okay. Um,

1134
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,440
the decision of a planning commission

1135
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
may be appealed to the town council. Uh,

1136
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,240
there is a 10-day calendar appeal period

1137
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,760
and additional information will be

1138
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,079
obtained by staff.

1139
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:17,440
With that, uh, good luck with the

1140
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,280
project and, um, thanks for your time

1141
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:28,790
tonight.

1142
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,560
» Yeah. And sorry

1143
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,319
and s are there any I don't see any

1144
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:35,520
reports on the agenda but is there

1145
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,720
anything that you

1146
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,280
>> No there's nothing further um we will I

1147
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,359
just want to update the exact date um

1148
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,640
the ADU ordinance that you all looked at

1149
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,359
uh we will be bringing that to the town

1150
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:53,680
council on

1151
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,640
speak um

1152
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,880
it will be on June June,

1153
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
I think June 28th. Um, so I just wanted

1154
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,400
to report that.

1155
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,520
>> Sorry, it's going to town

1156
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,640
>> to to town council on June 28th.

1157
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,079
>> And that's all I have to report at this

1158
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,200
time. And then, um, Sage, I've been out

1159
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,800
of the loop for a while. I perhaps

1160
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,319
missed it. Has the judge made any ruling

1161
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:20,240
on the litigation surrounding the

1162
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,000
parking lot expansion at Kinyatta

1163
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Corners or is that still being

1164
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,000
>> There there is there was a um

1165
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,640
a decision no Jean if you're online if

1166
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,040
maybe

1167
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,560
>> yes I am there was a tenative um ruling

1168
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,280
issued and the parties are further

1169
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,359
briefing and so there is no final ruling

1170
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,280
yet.

1171
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,680
>> Is thank you. Is the tenative ruling

1172
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,599
public information?

1173
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,599
>> The the tenative ruling indicated that

1174
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,400
the town needed to um abandon the entire

1175
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,560
easement as opposed to a portion of the

1176
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,000
easement on on the back of the property.

1177
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,760
Uh and that is what's being further

1178
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560
briefed at this point.

1179
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,599
All SE I'm sorry, all squa um challenges

1180
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,829
were rejected by the judge.

1181
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:11,839
» Okay. Thank you.

1182
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:14,640
>> You're welcome.

1183
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,599
>> So, that's all I have.