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Hello and thank you. Uh tonight I'll be

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presenting the item at 90 Rome please

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for planning commission review. Uh this

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is a presentation review and approval

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conditional approval or denial of a

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variance to setback requirements for a

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deck uh extension encroachment into the

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basic uh required site setbacks. Uh,

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this application is categorically exempt

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under the California Environmental

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Quality Act, SQA guidelines

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15301, additions to existing structures,

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as well as 15303, which are uh new

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construction of small structures, and

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there are no desk items at this time.

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So regarding this property, it is in the

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SCP 7.5 uh zoning district which

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requires basic setbacks of 50 ft from

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all sides. Uh the lot area is

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approximately 3.38 acres

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which uh more than 50% of the lot is in

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slopes that are greater than 35%. Uh the

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majority of which is also uh in slopes

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exceeding 50% as well.

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As far as the deck extension, uh it

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would be located east of the main

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residence. The size is approximately 26

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ft x 42 ft uh and would be composed of

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similar wood material to what is

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existing at the site.

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Um, the municipal code uh does not

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permit encroachments into setbacks

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unless explicitly allowed. Uh, while

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items listed in the municipal code

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section 153.2207C

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are allowed within the required

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setbacks. Uh, decks that are greater

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than 3 ft above the ground uh may only

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extend into required sight setback a

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distance of no more than 3 ft. Um since

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this uh proposed deck uh encroaches

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approximately 7.75 feet into the side

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setback uh approval of a setback uh

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variance is required

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and uh this is the elevation detail of

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the uh proposed deck extension.

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Uh to quickly summarize uh staff

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providing recommending findings which

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you can find in attachment one uh the

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draft resolution. Uh to quickly

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summarize, um staff recommends approval

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of the setback varants uh since uh

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allowing the encroachment of the

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proposed deck extension would limit

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disturbance on woodlands and steep

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slopes by utilizing previously approved

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retaining walls as you can see down here

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and on previously disturbed land. It

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would not be detrimental to the public

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welfare as the proposed deck extension

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are located away from Ran Place and the

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neighboring residences. And the proposed

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variance is consistent with the town of

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Woodside general plan goals, land use

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1.1 and land use 1.2, which are goals

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that discuss high priority to the

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conservation of natural resources and

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also to minimize grading, including the

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downscaling of intensity of land use on

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steep hillsides. That concludes my

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presentation. Staff is happy to answer

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any questions. Uh the applicant is also

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uh in attendance via Zoom to answer any

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questions. Thank you.

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» It's basically the the corner, right?

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The upper right corner is is the only uh

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space in the setback. Correct.

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>> It would be Yes. This corner here. Um

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>> that corner. Okay.

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>> Right. The two lines the two parallel

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lines are the retaining holes. Correct.

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>> Um that is correct. Yes.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. Then uh let's proceed. Would the

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uh applicant like to make a uh statement

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or presentation?

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>> Yeah. So, um I don't have a

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presentation, but I I do want to uh just

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kind of give you a brief sum summary of

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this project, right? So, um as Kgo

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stated, I'm here to apply for a setback

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um variance for my deck expansion at 90

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Rome Place. And uh this project really

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is to enhance my um outdoor living space

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and um my property has a a number of

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constraints and uh the shape of the lot,

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the buildable area is uh very limited

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and also

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I have a uh a big part of the buildable

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area dedicated to

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um creating a fire truck turnound per um

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fire department. uh requirements years

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ago. So we have very limited usable

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outdoor space and this project is to

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enhance our outdoor uh living space

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because all these constraints that I

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mentioned um uh you know the the one

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side of that extended area is going to

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encroach into the standard 50 ft setback

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um by

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a little less than 8 feet. Right? So I

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do want to point out that as as Keo uh

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show in diagram,

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I had a previous setback exception when

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I built my house uh a number of years

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ago. And that setback expression uh

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exception um

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approved for like 15 ft I believe into

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the standard setback. Um, so this deck

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is actually within that um, previously

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approved exception. So it's not a new

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encroachment per se. Um, I just want to

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point that out.

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Okay. Uh, questions for uh, the

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applicant.

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Okay. Uh why don't we go ahead with

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commissioner uh deliberation and or

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excuse me I'm sorry any uh members of

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the public here who would like to speak

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on this issue

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is everybody here for the other one we

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have one raised hand online from bale

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Frank

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pranksters are alive and well tonight.

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Awesome. Okay. In that case, since after

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that very substantive comment, uh maybe

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we can go with commissioner

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deliberations. Um Erin, do you want to

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kick off? Yeah. Uh so thank you Mr. Jong

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for the presentation. Um and uh Mr. Yato

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for the alo presentation. Uh I did go

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visit the site. It is very clear that he

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has a setback that's even further into

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the 50 foot from a previous line and the

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other direction of the deck goes into

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infin infinity uh where there's nothing

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there. So this seems like a very good

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use of space to avoid his kid being in

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the driveway. Um, so I'm all for it.

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» Um, [clears throat] a little bit more as Darren added, you mentioned that uh

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the other the other direction goes into

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infinity into the forest. Is that what

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you meant?

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>> Yeah, there's nothing there. So, yeah,

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that's what So, I understand that. No,

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there's there's nothing for me to add.

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>> Um, I have no problem with making the

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findings. It is a very constrained lot.

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So, um, no questions and,

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um, I'm fine with the draft resolution.

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Very little to add beyond all of that. I

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also visited the site looks like

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agree with Darren's comments. Um,

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additionally, that I think the point

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about it being sort of less encroaching

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than the previous exception is is well

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stated as well. So, I have no problem

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making the findings.

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like to make a motion on this one.

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>> Uh I'll make a motion to approve the

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staff resolution for the exception.

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>> Sorry. Second the motion.

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>> Chair Gar.

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>> Commissioner Evans.

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>> Commissioner Gonko.

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» All right.

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And this one says appeals.

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Yes. Right. There's a a 10-day appeal

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period. Um, and if anyone would like to

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appeal, they can see the deputy town

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clerk.

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Okay. All right. Well, with that, we

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will uh move on uh to the uh second/3

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item, which is 831 Glen Craig Way. Uh

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so, would staff like to proceed with the

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uh presentation, please? Uh the order of

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operations here will be uh staff

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staff. Then it will be the appellet. uh

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we'll have 10 minutes. The applicant

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will have 10 minutes uh before we go to

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public comment. We also do have many

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people in the room. Uh folks will have

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uh 3 minutes each for comments. However,

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at the same time, if we if we do the

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math, we'll be here a long time. Uh so

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if you do have, you know, you agree with other comments uh and things like

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that, it's fine to just state that and

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um and whatnot. So anyway, with that,

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why don't we go ahead and uh do the

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>> Thank you, Chair Gar. Um, so the project

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you have before you tonight is an appeal

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of the planning director's decision to

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approve a stable permit exception uh to

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allow two horses at A31 Glen Craig Way

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um where the property is um

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approximately 19,800 square ft and when

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1 acre is required. So the applicant has

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applied for an exception to have two

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horses on the site and that process is

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all of those exceptions are reviewed by

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the livestock and equestrian heritage

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committee. On May 27th, 2026, the

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livestock committee reviewed the

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proposed exception. Um they went through

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the various findings uh that are

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required and the reasoning based um the

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reasoning to make those findings

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provided by the applicant. Uh there is a

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neighbor that spoke um that did not

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support the project and asked the

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livestock committee to uh deny the

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exception primarily related to issues

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for dust um insects and noise.

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some of members who which did site

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inspections uh they determined that they

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could make the findings and recommended

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approval of the stable exception by

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unanimous vote. Um then on May 29th, uh

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myself, the plan director, I took that

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recommendation and I approved the stable

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exception.

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Uh within the 10-day appeal period, the

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neighbor at 841, Glen Craig Way, filed a

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timely appeal um and is requesting that

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the planning commission uh uphold the

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appeal, which would then deny the stable

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exception.

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livestock equestrian heritage committee

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and the required findings that need to

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be made, staff recommends approval of

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the project. So it would be to deny the

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appeal and to uphold the initial

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decision to approve the project. Um, I

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do want to note that while the applicant

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noted five findings in the um in their

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submitt, uh because they're not asking

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for more than two horses, only really

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the first three findings are necessary

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um to be made. So, if the um planning

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commission determines that the findings

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can be made, the commission should deny

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the appeal and can adopt the draft

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resolution in attachment one, attachment

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A. Um, if the commission determines

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that, uh, one of those findings cannot

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be made, uh, they should explain why one

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or more findings cannot be made and

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reasoning to uphold the appeal and deny

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the exception. And just to note for the

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public that any decision of the planning

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commission uh, can be appealed to the

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town council. Um, but with that, I'm

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happy to answer any questions that you

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may have.

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wanted to ask if there are members of

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the uh equestrian uh sorry the livestock

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equestrian heritage committee here.

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No one. Yes. Okay. Questions of them?

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Well, and I I do want to um note that uh

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>> that they are not in a hearing setting

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and so they can speak as private

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residents and not as livestock

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equestrian heritage committees. So, it's

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important for any members of the public

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who do speak who are on committees to

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know what committee you're on, but that

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tonight you're entirely speaking as an

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individual. And it would be up to them

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if they'd like to speak. They may not

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choose to speak. Um so, if you do have

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any questions about the meeting, um you

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can let me know. uh but we want to make

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sure that they're not speaking the

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capacity as a livestock committee member

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because they cannot speak for the entire

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committee.

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>> So uh Sage, I would have a question of

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you if you're knowledgeable in this in

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this sphere, right? Um does a town have

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a process and procedure to ensure new

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permit application with uh change of

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ownership of a property?

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>> Yes. Uh new ownership is supposed to uh

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obtain a new permit. So the the permits

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are not transferable. Um there has been

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times in the past where people have just

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been sent renewal notices and they have

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just paid the fee to renew it. It's been

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automatically renewed. In this

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particular case, for this application,

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what we're recommending with the

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approval of the exception is that the

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applicant actually apply for a new

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permit with the new number of horses

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with an updated waste management plan,

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insect control plan, and dust control

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plan. And it will be incumbent upon the

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applicant to do that, which will then be

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reviewed by the livestock subcommittee

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where they'll do an inspection. um and

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if they find it in compliance with all

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other aspects of section 115.12

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um they can approve that stable permit.

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>> My my question was in in the area of is

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there actually a u a process uh that is

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undertaken when ownership changes. So, I

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understand all those all those things

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that need to be done,

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>> but

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>> we don't know when ownership changes.

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Um, so, uh, if a renewal is sent out to

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a previous owner and they do not renew

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it, it would be up to the new owner to

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make sure they file an application.

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>> And when what is the, uh, duration of of

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a permit?

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>> It's for one year.

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>> It's only a year.

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>> They have to renew their their stable

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permit every year. They're basically

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paying fees just to keep horse on the

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property, which is relatively minimal

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fee. It's to make sure that they're

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compliant with that section I noted. Um,

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and then they if their horses use the

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trail, they pay trail maintenance fees.

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>> And I have a follow-up question

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regarding the one acre rule. So, what is

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the purpose of um 1 acre minimum to have

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a horse or two?

355
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>> Um, I I don't know exact details of of

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how that came about. years ago. Um they

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established a minimum lot size and then

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they provide this exception process. Uh

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so I think uh over the years I've been

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with a town um there are a few

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exceptions that have been applied for

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and my understanding for the livestock

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committee is their primary goal is to

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look at the safety and adequate space

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for the horses themselves and the number

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of horses being proposed. Um, so, uh, so

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they they primarily look at the health

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and safety for the horses on the

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property.

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>> Can you talk a little bit about the

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history of of the exceptions? Have they

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generally been granted? Has it been

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mixed?

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>> It's a good question. Um, yes, they have

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all been granted. And so, we looked back

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to 2010. Um, they have all been granted.

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There was one application that just

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didn't pursue it. Um, their application

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was deemed incomplete and I believe they

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moved away from the property. Uh but all

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of the other exceptions were

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specifically all for a number of horses.

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They weren't for any other aspect of the

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stable requirements and all of those

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were approved. Is there hard for the lot

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sizes?

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>> Um no. There's just a matter of looking

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at the if the facilities are adequate to

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serve the number of horses.

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>> When they make those uh facility

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assessments, do they look at a sort of

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minimum square footage per horse?

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>> Yeah, there there well I wouldn't say

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that per se. There are minimum

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requirements in the code that have to be

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met. So each horse has to have an

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individual stall. Stall has to be at

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least 10 by 10. And then they have to

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have um the code just requires a minimum

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of 600 square ft of turnout area for all

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the horses on the property. Um it

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doesn't define per horse on turnout.

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» It do we have um codes on uh percent of

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lot expected to be part of horse or

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minimum?

406
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>> No, that's not required. It's it's I

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think really, you know, if you had a 5

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acre site versus a 1acre site, you know,

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obviously a larger site might might have

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a much smaller percentage dedicated to

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horses.

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>> Um, and then there's are there some

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basic uh town codes around setbacks on

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barns and paddics on

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>> Yeah, good good question. Um, so for

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barns, um, for new shelters, uh, those

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have to meet the required setbacks just

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like a house. Um they have

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>> front of lot, back of lot, side of lot.

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>> Correct. And that so you what you might

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find and and may be in the case in this

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property, older barns may have been

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built prior to the current setback

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requirements just like older buildings

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um may not meet current setback

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requirements. So those can always remain

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in place, be repaired or even replaced.

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Um and then it's also a good question to

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note that turnout areas can go right up

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to a property line. Uh when I first

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started in 2008, they had just uh

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changed the the stable ordinance right

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before I started. And previously, there

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was a 10- foot setback um from turnout

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areas, except when they made that

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ordinance change almost 20 years ago, um

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they directly removed that and so horses

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could go right up to the property line

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on all sides.

440
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>> Correct.

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with the uh nontransferability of

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permits and I believe also ex that

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applies to the exceptions as well.

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>> That's correct.

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>> So I guess what has been the history if

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any of

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situations like what we're looking at

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today, right, which which presumably

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infrastructure built under the guise of

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an exception, right, that's granted i.e.

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x number of stalls that exceeds the sort

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of baseline capacity of the of the

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house. Has there been any any precedent

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with that in terms of

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>> um not that I'm aware of. Um the know

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each each exception is different. You

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know, they've ranged from being less

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than an acre to having, you know, more

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than seven horses on three acres. Um so

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they kind of range mo most of them we

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see have been around two to three horses

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on a property um that just don't meet

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that minimum lot size to accommodate

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those by the code.

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Thank you.

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>> One more question. So, uh, as far as a

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permitting, yearly permitting, so anyone

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that has a horse has to renew their

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permit yearly. That correct?

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>> That's correct.

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>> And that means that there needs to be an

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inspection by

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>> No, they they don't get inspections

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every year at this point. Once they get

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their permit and it has been inspected,

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then they just pay the fees to renew

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each year. And it should be flagged by

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the finance department that if anyone

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increases the number of horses that that

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person first talks to the planning

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department.

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>> So in this case uh the neighbor at 841

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um Glen Craig

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uh his biggest uh objection was that the

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fact that his fence was being used as

486
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part of the corral, part of the paddic,

487
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right? Uh so my previous question was

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relating to why was offense not mandated

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for the actual horse owner for

490
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>> I don't know when you know when they

491
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issued that license it's a matter of

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sometimes the finance department was

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just accepting renewals um I'm not 100%

494
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sure um but uh it is something that they

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should have a horse turnout fence in

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which they have since installed

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» so Sage I had a couple of questions for

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In reviewing the staff report and the

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findings we were asked to make, there

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were a couple things that showed

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themselves in the in the municipal code.

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Um, typically for residential properties

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for human use, if we grant an exception

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or a variance for building height or

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um construction within a setback, part

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of the boilerplate is that we are

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required to make a finding that the

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granting of the exception does not

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represent a special privilege and also

510
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that the granting of the exception

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is not out of character with the rest of

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the neighborhood. Now, looking at the

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list of findings we are being asked to

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make tonight, we have no requirement to

515
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make a finding that this does not

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represent a special privilege.

517
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Um, correct?

518
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>> That is correct. Yeah, the findings that

519
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are listed in the report are the only

520
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findings that need to be made for the

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exception. And we do not need to make a

522
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finding that

523
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granting the exception is still within

524
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the character of the neighborhood.

525
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>> That's correct. Yeah. Even just briefly

526
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just for the uh benefit of the public.

527
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Um the three findings that need to be

528
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made is one, the exception shall not

529
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impair the health, safety or welfare of

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the livestock maintained on the site.

531
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Number two, the exception will not

532
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result in any adverse health, safety,

533
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noise, traffic, or visual impacts on

534
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surrounding properties and roadways. And

535
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number three, the proposed the proposed

536
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use complies with all other standards of

537
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section 115.12

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regarding private stables. And that

539
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section of the code is all the other

540
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requirements such as um the the stable

541
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size, the turnout area, the location of

542
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a hose bib, um things of that nature.

543
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So, all of those have been shown to be

544
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in compliance. In this case, it's just a

545
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number of horses.

546
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,280
>> And just to get this for context on the

547
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,640
record, um you folks did pull the

548
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,520
exemptions that have occurred uh for

549
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,640
stable since 2010 and there were eight

550
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,760
of them. And then looking at the um

551
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,400
those and turning those eight exemptions

552
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,720
into horses per acre, the highest horse

553
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,200
density I could find was a exemption for

554
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,279
three horses on 1.17 acres, which was

555
00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,320
2.6 horses per acre. And here we're

556
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,200
talking about two horses on 045 acres,

557
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,360
which is greater than four horses per

558
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,760
acre.

559
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,600
>> That's correct. This is the the densest

560
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320
that we Okay. So, this is denser than

561
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,080
anything we've done in the last 15

562
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,640
years.

563
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:35,200
>> Yes.

564
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,919
>> Okay.

565
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:43,430
>> No further questions for staff.

566
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,080
» Anyone else?

567
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,240
>> Um, just one more question. So, the part

568
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,510
of the

569
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,720
Uh Mr. Clark's appeal talks about some

570
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,880
sort of drainage and some other items.

571
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,400
Was that was that investigated by the

572
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,960
town?

573
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,919
>> Uh it I believe there was a inquiry

574
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:01,440
related to the drainage that's being

575
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,600
looked at by the um engineering

576
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,159
department. So if someone has if there

577
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:08,400
is drainage install that needs permits

578
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,760
um that's something that the engineering

579
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,000
department will be looking into. Um it's

580
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,440
not necessarily a subject of the

581
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,880
exception tonight. Uh but uh they that

582
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,640
stuff goes through code enforcement if

583
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:19,039
necessary.

584
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,240
>> Is is it standard to have to

585
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,200
creating a paddic or or a stable to have

586
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,159
met standard drainage requirements prior

587
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:28,799
to use?

588
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,720
>> I I think it just varies based on

589
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,000
stables. Um there's not a requirement um

590
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080
that says someone must install drainage

591
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,400
to a certain standard. Um, so I think

592
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960
people uh they have all different types

593
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,640
of riding arenas and turnouts and uh

594
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,720
round pins. Um, and so some sites may

595
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,110
need more adequate range than others.

596
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,279
» One other question on on historical

597
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,600
context, which is uh in reading a number

598
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,960
of the desk items, it seemed like there

599
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,360
was a history of two horses on the site

600
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,760
were here in 2026. We weren't here in

601
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,720
prior years. What what what has changed?

602
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,960
right that that we are now here was it

603
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440
previous exceptions that were granted

604
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,640
etc.

605
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,320
>> Yeah. Um I I don't know the the direct

606
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,200
answer in general terms there was a

607
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,960
point in which stable permits were not

608
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,279
required and maybe some of the people

609
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,200
who just had historically had horses

610
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,520
never ended up getting a permit. Um

611
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,440
you know some people just didn't renew

612
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,840
permits. New owners maybe didn't know

613
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,520
they needed a permit. I mean there could

614
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,799
be a variety of reasons. Uh it's

615
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,480
something that's being followed up on

616
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,400
more and the plan department continues

617
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,279
to speak with administration uh

618
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,039
administration department to make sure

619
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,320
things are being followed correctly.

620
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,799
>> Essentially triggering event being the

621
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,559
>> uh the application for the exception.

622
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:54,480
>> Yeah. And you know really focusing on

623
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,240
the exception that's before us tonight.

624
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,480
So they are asking for the two horses on

625
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,720
this property. um if that is granted

626
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960
that should really be the main focus um

627
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,440
as opposed to what maybe should have or

628
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,080
could have happened in the past.

629
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:14,149
So thank you.

630
00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,720
All right. Well then we will move on to

631
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,480
the uh presentation by the appellant. Uh

632
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,960
keep it to 10 minutes

633
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,320
this point.

634
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,840
>> Have a couple displays. Is there a place

635
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,720
I can put those

636
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:35,590
here?

637
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,440
» You can I mean what? Yeah, whatever you

638
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,559
think works best. You can leave it

639
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:45,510
against our

640
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,960
» uh I can there in case

641
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,110
>> I can scoot over.

642
00:27:53,120 --> 00:28:05,830
» Hi everybody.

643
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,279
I don't need that. Or do you want me to

644
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,080
use it?

645
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,840
>> Uh, yes, you do need to folks online

646
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,039
can't hear unless you're speaking into

647
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,880
the mic.

648
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,039
Can

649
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,200
>> I just quickly point out we don't have a

650
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,720
separate timer, so we'll be doing a

651
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880
threeminut timer three times just so

652
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,440
everyone's not confused.

653
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,440
>> Okay.

654
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Good evening. Uh, my name is John Clark.

655
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,960
My wife, Linda, and I have owned our

656
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,159
property at 841 Glen Craig for 30 years.

657
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:31,600
Tonight, I ask you to reverse the

658
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,279
livestock committee's decision allowing

659
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,200
two horses on a lot that is half the

660
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,360
minimum size required for even one

661
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:39,679
horse. To be clear, I have no objection

662
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:41,520
to horses. As a child, we spent summer

663
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
in Colorado and Wyoming. I learned to

664
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,360
ride at the Razles ranch where every day

665
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520
we played capture the flag on horseback.

666
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,039
Our daughters were active members at

667
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,360
Junior Riders. For many years, I owned a

668
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000
108acre ranch that was part of a 135,000

669
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480
acre co-op ranch in Santa Barbara Cel

670
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320
County where we ran cattle and herded

671
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,039
them on horseback. Polar ponies need to

672
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,799
be exercised regularly, and my father

673
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,960
kept aid at home. It was hard to keep up

674
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,640
their exercise schedule, so whenever I

675
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,480
went to visit, I knew what I was in for.

676
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
I was expected to help out. Polar ponies

677
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,279
have two speeds: stop and full speed.

678
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,679
This is of course uh exhilarating, but

679
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,440
it can also be exhausting. And when they

680
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,360
did finally tire out, dad just brought

681
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,600
me the next one. So to the neighbors who

682
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,880
wrote letters referring to me as

683
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,200
non-horse people, well, you got me.

684
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,720
There have been moments in my life where

685
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,080
the last thing I wanted to see was

686
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,799
another polar pony. This is not about

687
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,120
horses. It's not about me. It's about

688
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
whether town rules and laws are

689
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,120
followed. Of course, I don't have any

690
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,559
authority and will not be making any

691
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,559
decisions tonight. were not here because

692
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:44,640
of me, but due to an invitation from the

693
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
town to participate, because of a

694
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,600
request by my neighbor. You are the only

695
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
ones with any authority here tonight."

696
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,919
The owner's response letter disputes

697
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:56,559
many issues I never raised, yet avoids

698
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,039
the key ones. He never explains why no

699
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,039
lotsize exception or stable permit

700
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,679
applications were submitted in 2015

701
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:06,320
because he knows they were not. He never

702
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,720
addresses the fence built on my property

703
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,279
because he knows it is. He never

704
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,120
mentions the unpermitted French drain

705
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,880
discharging into the creek or the

706
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,640
unpermitted fill placed against that

707
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640
creek or even the existence of that

708
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,360
creek. Why not? He had the opportunity

709
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,919
to. With this in mind, I've simplified

710
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:25,840
my presentation to focus on just one of

711
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,919
the reasons why the livestock committee

712
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,159
decision should be reversed. They simply

713
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,399
did not know what they were approving.

714
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,000
In many cases, because the applicant

715
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,919
concealed it. In other cases, because

716
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,080
they didn't care to ask. But they should

717
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,320
have. That's their job. Tonight, this is

718
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,799
your job. Ask the questions. Get the

719
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,120
answers for yourself. Everything I

720
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,520
discussed comes back to one fact. 831

721
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,840
Glen Craig is too small for two horses.

722
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Under Woodside Municipal Code, Chapter

723
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,159
115, a 1acre minimum is required for one

724
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:57,279
horse. This property is only 045 acres,

725
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,200
less than half that requirement.

726
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Approving this sets a dangerous

727
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,039
precedent. Does the town allow houses

728
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,559
more than double the square footage

729
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,279
limit? No. Or double the height? Of

730
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,360
course not. When the applicant purchased

731
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,679
the property in 2015, the existing

732
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,840
stable permit could not legal legally

733
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,399
transfer. The transfer disclosure states

734
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:17,679
the equestrian boarding was

735
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:20,000
non-conforming and the stable permits

736
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,840
could not be assigned to the new owner.

737
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,880
Per Woodside Municipal Code 115, stable

738
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,399
permits are non-transferable. Sage,

739
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,720
because the lot is under one acre, a lot

740
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,640
size exception was required before any

741
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,799
stable permit could be considered. Yet,

742
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,200
no lots size exception or stable permit

743
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,679
application was submitted or approved in

744
00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:42,480
2015, and no records exist showing who

745
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,519
issued the permit, how or why. The town

746
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,679
will tell you they have no idea how this

747
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:50,960
happened or who did it. In fact, per the

748
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,120
canceled meeting notice of November 20

749
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,919
uh on November 18, 2015, this should

750
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:57,840
have been impossible. The property was

751
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,080
purchased on November 7 and no further

752
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,559
meetings were held in 2015. It's not

753
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,799
possible that any applications were

754
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,799
submitted and approved. So, this never

755
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,960
happened. And the livestock committee

756
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,640
knew this when they approved a second

757
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,039
horse on May 27 this year. They knew it,

758
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,440
but they didn't care. Those missing

759
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,039
applications required disclosure of

760
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,799
fencing, nearby creeks, drainage

761
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:21,039
facilities, and other site conditions,

762
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,120
drainage facilities.

763
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
None of that information was reviewed in

764
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,600
2015, and the livestock committee asked

765
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,039
for none of it on May 27 of 26. Woodside

766
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,000
also requires drainage documentation,

767
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,159
addressing concentrated flows, drainage

768
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,320
changes, and water quality impacts.

769
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,080
Sanonteo County has far stricter

770
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,080
regulations. None of this was ever

771
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,399
submitted or evaluated by the town or

772
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:46,720
county. So, as the next door neighbor,

773
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,720
fully aware of this, what did I do about

774
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,440
it? How did I respond? Who did I report

775
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,000
this to? Nobody. I did nothing. I

776
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,720
ignored what I saw. I minded my own

777
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,509
business for 10 years.

778
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,840
Only after the town invited public

779
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,519
comment on this new application did I

780
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,760
raise any concerns. Strangely enough,

781
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,440
the new application finally requires

782
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,600
compliance with today's regulations. As

783
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,440
Julie confirmed in an email yesterday,

784
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,360
because the exception was approved, a

785
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,880
new stable permit is required. The

786
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,559
property must be inspected and the owner

787
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,200
must comply with all current chapter 15

788
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,120
requirements. That means previously

789
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,039
undisclosed conditions must now be

790
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,720
reviewed. The owner will have to

791
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,320
disclose the extensive French drain

792
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,760
system installed throughout the paddic

793
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,399
and turnout area. Those photographs show

794
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,480
that work in progress. A French drain is

795
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,080
something you might recall the drainage

796
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,640
requirements form describes as a

797
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,960
concentrated flow. There are hundreds of

798
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,880
feet of French drain installed with no

799
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,960
permit. The livestock committee also

800
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,480
required completion of the turnout

801
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,559
fencing. It was finally built just

802
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,480
before the hearing, but they built it on

803
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,640
my property despite repeating warnings

804
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,120
not to do so. The committee also notes

805
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,880
that the owner never requested a final

806
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,640
inspection for it. So, the committee

807
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,559
never learned that the fence encroaches

808
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,880
onto my land before approving this. How

809
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,880
often are woods are projects in Woodside

810
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,639
considered finished and occupancy

811
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,800
approved before the final is signed off?

812
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,679
None. Never. But this one was. The owner

813
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,359
knew his fence was on my land and

814
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:16,879
clearly didn't want an inspection to

815
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,800
reveal this before the meeting. That's

816
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960
why there was no inspection. The

817
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,639
applications also asked whether any

818
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,240
immediate health and safety hazards

819
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,399
exist. In my opinion, one absolutely

820
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,359
does. Yet, it was never disclosed. Just

821
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:31,200
feet from the turnout is a vernal creek

822
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,359
head leading to Kinyatta Road and Bear

823
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:35,520
Golts Creek. And that French drain is

824
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,079
deposited straight into it. Why is the

825
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,240
applicant never disclosed this? Because

826
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,560
this is effectively a septic system for

827
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,639
the horse facility and it's being dumped

828
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,520
into our local creek. This is water I

829
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,359
collected from that area just a few days

830
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:54,389
ago.

831
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:57,680
This is a clear adverse health impact

832
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680
and Sanonteo County has already begun

833
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,000
investigating. According to information

834
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,320
provided by the town, county ordinance

835
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,960
4913 prohibits non-storm water discharge

836
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,560
into the storm drain system and water

837
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,440
courses and prohibits concealing such

838
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,599
violations. The owner never disclosed

839
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,760
this drainage system to the town, county

840
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,760
or livestock committee despite

841
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,240
application requirements.

842
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,800
The county the or the owner as county

843
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,000
ordinance 4913 defines this concealed

844
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,560
it. Sage saw this area when he came out

845
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,240
to confirm the new fence was built on my

846
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,640
land. He knew about the leech field and

847
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,640
the fill area. He saw it for himself. He

848
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,480
saw the brown stinky water foaming in

849
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640
the creature ditch. He shrugged. The

850
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560
livestock made their decision. They

851
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,520
approved it. In 2015, the town performed

852
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,760
no oversight and failed to require the

853
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,640
live standard application processes that

854
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,359
were mandatory. In 2026, the livestock

855
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,440
committee did it again and approved a

856
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,359
second horse without ever considering

857
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:57,680
Woodside Municipal Code 115, and they

858
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,760
missed a lot of things. Some of these

859
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,760
were very important. This one was

860
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,480
extremely important. But there's more.

861
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,800
When 831 Glen Craig was for sale in

862
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040
2015, I made an offer and received the

863
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,040
transfer disclosures. Those documents

864
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,960
state septic field is not operating

865
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
correctly. Pat Dempsey reported this

866
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,200
system would not take water. Air and

867
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,119
septic the effluent level was above the

868
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,520
outlet and not draining. If that septic

869
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,200
system is failing and a French drain has

870
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,119
since been installed above it, waste

871
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,800
water could be redirected into the

872
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
adjacent creek. That possibility should

873
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,160
have been disclosed and evaluated.

874
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,119
But the life's Dr. Marty

875
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,640
never had the opportunity to consider

876
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,560
these facts because they were never

877
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,880
presented. It seems obvious why the

878
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,160
applicant never addressed these issues

879
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,320
in his response letter to my appeal. He

880
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,400
knows exactly what he did and he did it

881
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,920
all because his property is too small

882
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,760
for two horses. There's simply not

883
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,440
enough space for the turnout to drain on

884
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,200
its own. And because the septic system

885
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,200
under it is failing, there's a moisture

886
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680
problem. If I did not before, I hope I

887
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,520
now have your attention. I hope you now

888
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,359
understand why I said that the livestock

889
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,040
committee did not know what they were

890
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,119
approving. They knew nothing about any

891
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,280
of this and of course they didn't want

892
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,760
to know. I've invested significant time

893
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,280
and expense to bring these issues before

894
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,880
the planning commission because I

895
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,880
believe they deserve careful review.

896
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,240
It's time for these matters to be

897
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,640
addressed properly, preferably beginning

898
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,560
with the removal of the fence that's on

899
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640
my property. I respectfully ask you to

900
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480
reverse the approval of the second

901
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,280
horse. Thank you.

902
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:33,910
Any questions?

903
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,950
No. All right. Thank you.

904
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,560
» All right. We'll proceed to the uh

905
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:49,990
presentation by the Apple.

906
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,839
» Boy, it's uh really tough to stand here

907
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:54,000
and not scream.

908
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
My name is Manish Monroe. I live at 831

909
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,800
Glen Craig Way. I'm here tonight to

910
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,240
respectfully ask that the planning

911
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,800
commission deny Mr. Clark's appeal and

912
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,960
uphold the stable exception approval

913
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,880
recommended by the livestock committee.

914
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,240
Mr. Clark paid $1,000 to contest the

915
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,640
livestock committee's recommendation.

916
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
That gave him the right to appeal, and I

917
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,560
respect that process, but it did not

918
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,040
give him a license to turn a narrow,

919
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,160
stable exception issue into a platform

920
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,240
of unrelated

921
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,200
grievances. The question before you this

922
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,760
evening is not to resolve Mr. Clark's

923
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,400
long list of grievances, disputes,

924
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,480
frustrations, and across the board

925
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,480
complaints. The question before you

926
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,599
tonight is narrow. Can two horses be

927
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:45,200
kept responsibly at 831 Glen Craig Way

928
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,280
under the town stable exception

929
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,920
standards and conditions that would be

930
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,880
imposed by the town? And is that

931
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,079
consistent with the Woodside general

932
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:58,800
plan? Based on the actual record, I

933
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,640
believe the answer is yes. prior to the

934
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,200
unanimous 5 to zero vote to recommend

935
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,599
approval to livestock committee members

936
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,920
visited our property for inspection.

937
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,280
Additionally, the minutes from the

938
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,839
meeting state that the facilities were

939
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,000
more than adequate for the horses health

940
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400
and safety, that the stalls, turnouts,

941
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,720
and paddics were all well constructed

942
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,800
and maintained and that sufficient

943
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880
measures were in place to manage manure

944
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,119
and control dust. And the most

945
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,599
importantly, the minutes state the

946
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,960
overall lot size did not affect the area

947
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,520
dedicated to the horse facilities. That

948
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,960
record should matter. This exception is

949
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960
also within the spirits Woodside within

950
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,720
the spirit of Woodside's general plan

951
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,640
pol uh general plan policy CL4.1

952
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,160
which states that the town should

953
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,720
promote and protect its equestrian

954
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,960
heritage by encouraging equestrian

955
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,839
facilities supporting equestrian events

956
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:56,960
programs and organizations and creating

957
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,160
incentives for horsekeeping including

958
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
streamlined permits for barns and

959
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,480
corral.

960
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,720
Now, as to any suggestion that our

961
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,720
horses are not happy, our veterinarian

962
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,640
is on record saying that the horses

963
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,960
consistently appear calm, comfortable,

964
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,760
healthy, and well cared for, and that

965
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,320
she has not observed any signs of undue

966
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,550
stress.

967
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Another important record is that the

968
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,040
property has an existing oversized two

969
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,400
stall barn and a substantial portion of

970
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,800
the un the usable property is dedicated

971
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,040
to horses. Multiple members of the

972
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Woodside horse community have emailed

973
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680
the town confirming that 831 Glen Craig

974
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,400
pre uh previously supported two horses

975
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,720
without known issue. That record

976
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,960
directly undercuts the suggestion that

977
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,079
two horses are new, unusual or

978
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,040
unsustainable on this property. I also

979
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,359
want to address the practical concerns

980
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:59,200
raised about manure, flies, odor, dust

981
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,079
and noise, and Mr. Clark's property

982
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,040
value. Our horses live about 10 feet

983
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,520
from our bedroom window. So minimizing

984
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,079
flies, odor, dust, and noise is not just

985
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,160
about our neighbors well-being. It's

986
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,280
also crucial to our quality of life. We

987
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,760
manage manure, flies, dust, noise

988
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,760
aggressively. Manure is picked up

989
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,000
multiple times a day, placed in closed

990
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,319
covered bins, and removed every Friday

991
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:27,040
by green waste. There is no open manure

992
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,760
pile. We use crushed granite instead of

993
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,400
sand in the runs to reduce dust. We also

994
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,400
use multiple fly control measures

995
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,680
including simplify fly traps and fly

996
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,710
predators.

997
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,040
Flies can come from many sources and the

998
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,520
presence of flies at a neighboring home

999
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,079
does not prove that they came from our

1000
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,119
property. The same is true for dust. The

1001
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,200
appeal refers to the horses kicking

1002
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000
buckets and water troughs, but that does

1003
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,240
not match our setup. We don't own water

1004
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,119
troughs and that we don't use buckets at

1005
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,680
home. We have automatic water dispensers

1006
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,920
bolted to the fence and use a slow

1007
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,319
feeder box and two rubber bowls for

1008
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:11,119
supplements. If the slow feeder creates

1009
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:13,839
a specific noise concern, I am willing

1010
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,960
to secure pad modify or replace it. That

1011
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,280
is a manageable issue, not a reason to

1012
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,160
overturn the stable exception. If there

1013
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,400
is a reoccurring noise issue, it should

1014
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,400
be documented with a date, time, and

1015
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,400
recording so it can be compared against

1016
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,640
our security system to determine if

1017
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,760
there is a correlation. The appeal also

1018
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,880
raises property value concerns, but it

1019
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,280
provides no appraisals, comparable sales

1020
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160
analysis, or market evidence. So when

1021
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,240
you look at the actual facts, the horse

1022
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,079
care, the facilities, the prior

1023
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:47,839
two-horse use, the manure system, the

1024
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,480
fly controls, the dust controls, a noise

1025
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,640
issue that has not been proven, and a

1026
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,800
lack of property value evidence, the

1027
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,240
record supports approval. That brings me

1028
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,560
to the spirit of the appeal itself.

1029
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
I believe the appeal should be be viewed

1030
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839
for what it is. First, it raises broad

1031
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,720
claims about the property slice, flies,

1032
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,359
odor, dust, noise, porch welfare, town

1033
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:15,440
permit issues, and property value.

1034
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,520
Second, Mr. Clark's appeal moves away

1035
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,760
from the stable exception criteria and

1036
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,240
into personal commentary, unsupported

1037
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,040
allegations, unrelated history, and old

1038
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,839
grievances. It includes private private

1039
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,160
commentary about a neighbor's financial

1040
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,240
privacy after suggesting that privacy

1041
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,280
should be respected. It re visits new

1042
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,160
and old fence issues, tree property line

1043
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,800
issues. It questions motives and raises

1044
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,720
prior frustrations with neighbors,

1045
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,960
community members, the town's permit

1046
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,240
process. The appeal also questions the

1047
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,720
judgment of the LEC.

1048
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,520
It discusses reputations and speculates

1049
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,000
about who may hold the grudge and why.

1050
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,800
Mr. Clark even claims he knows that our

1051
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,839
horses learned to ask to be fed or

1052
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:04,000
watered by kicking water troughs that

1053
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,079
don't exist.

1054
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,480
And this appeal goes so far as to state

1055
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,560
that a crime was committed when the

1056
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,280
second horse was introduced. That is a

1057
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,480
serious allegation.

1058
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:27,270
One moment, please.

1059
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,040
None of that helps answer the actual

1060
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,359
question before the commission, but it

1061
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:34,560
raises a fair question.

1062
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,359
Is this appeal about one additional

1063
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:40,000
horse, or is it an attempt to use this

1064
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,319
appeal to reopen every complaint Mr.

1065
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,119
Clark has had about horses, neighbors,

1066
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:48,160
the town, and 831 Glen Craig? And more

1067
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,960
importantly, is there a pattern here?

1068
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040
That question matters because Mr.

1069
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,119
Clark's own appeal states that when he

1070
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,040
bought his property, he knew that there

1071
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,680
were horses next door. He could hear

1072
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
them, smell them, and notic his flies

1073
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,200
and and noticed flies and dusks and was

1074
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,280
okay with that. These are his words in

1075
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,520
his appeal. Yet, the relief he seeks

1076
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,520
would effectively take away our ability

1077
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
to keep both horses. He says the second

1078
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,079
horse is totally unacceptable. asks the

1079
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,800
town to limit our property to one horse

1080
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,520
and then turns around and challenges the

1081
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,400
existing of the first horse permit as

1082
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,079
well.

1083
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,000
I want to address the practical effect

1084
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,280
of Mr. Clark's appeal if it is approved.

1085
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Removing a horse from the property would

1086
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,440
take away an important part of how our

1087
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
family participates in the Woodside

1088
00:45:42,160 --> 00:46:03,599
community. These horses are how we take part in the

1089
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:05,680
Mayday parade, the Redwood City Fourth

1090
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,680
of July parade, day of the horse junior

1091
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
rodeo, and other events where Woodside

1092
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,319
is represented. Would that really be in

1093
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:13,920
the best interest of the Woodside

1094
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,520
community? Does anyone here

1095
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,240
actually believe that removing one horse

1096
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,480
out of two will reduce flies, remove

1097
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040
odor, increase Mr. Clark's property

1098
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,280
value, make both horses happier and

1099
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,280
healthier, make it quieter and less

1100
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,760
dusty, and will solve all the issues

1101
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,359
that Mr. Clark raised. Look, I

1102
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,920
understand that living next to horses

1103
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000
can raise concerns for a neighbor who

1104
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480
does not have horses, but in a healthy

1105
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,200
community, any concern should start with

1106
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,440
a neighborly conversation before

1107
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,319
becoming formal complaints that use town

1108
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:53,520
time and taxpayer resources. While I

1109
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,119
can't speak on behalf of the entire

1110
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,400
horse community, many of us believe that

1111
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,640
being a good neighbor, contributing to

1112
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,640
the community, and raising healthy,

1113
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,760
happy horses responsibly are not

1114
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,079
mutually exclusive.

1115
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,400
If there's a genuine concern, talk to

1116
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,910
us. We want to be part of the solution.

1117
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,040
School members of the planning

1118
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,720
commission, the question before you is

1119
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,960
simple. Can two horses be responsibly

1120
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,440
kept at 831 Glen Craig under the town

1121
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,520
stable exception standards, the town's

1122
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,680
conditions, and is that in line with

1123
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,000
Woodside's general plan? The actual

1124
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,400
report records approval, and I

1125
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
respectfully ask the planning commission

1126
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,839
to deny the appeal and uphold the stable

1127
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:40,000
accession approval for 831 Clank

1128
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:50,870
Craigway.

1129
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,560
All right. So, uh we now have an

1130
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
opportunity to ask questions of the uh

1131
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:01,829
applicant.

1132
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:10,550
Uh for the app the apple

1133
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400
» I I have one which is so we we heard

1134
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,400
about the fence uh and the and the fence

1135
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,319
line and and whatnot. I'm looking at

1136
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:19,920
this um at the map here and so from what

1137
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,200
I can see it looks like you know again

1138
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,280
knowing that what we're deciding really

1139
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,640
is is is focused on um health and safety

1140
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
of of livestock is one of the findings.

1141
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,119
Right. So, we heard about that fence

1142
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,720
potentially moving.

1143
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,599
>> I can tell you,

1144
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,280
>> sorry, just two questions. One is, you

1145
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,880
know, have there been surveys done? And

1146
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,160
then two, uh, do we know that the delta

1147
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,480
from where it is? And then, is that have

1148
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,240
a material impact on the square foot?

1149
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:47,680
>> I'll share that with you. So, ever since

1150
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,240
we moved into the property, Mr. Clark

1151
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,000
complained that he owned four feet on

1152
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,480
our side. There were two metal rods, and

1153
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,640
he kept pointing to them, saying, "Nope,

1154
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,839
this is this is my property here." He

1155
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:02,880
knew that there was a a marker in the

1156
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,720
property that marked the corner of the

1157
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,400
property, but he did not share that with

1158
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,319
us. So, we ended up spending about

1159
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,880
$7,000 because we knew he was going to

1160
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,880
be an issue.

1161
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,240
And we got the property surveyed. We had

1162
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,119
a fence put in. And as you know, the

1163
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,839
concrete that goes in the fence, I

1164
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:23,359
believe a little bit of that concrete

1165
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:26,319
post is on his side. He can have that

1166
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:29,119
concrete. we can get that concrete cut.

1167
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,559
The fence is not on his side. Now, if

1168
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,160
there was an error made by the

1169
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,559
contractor, Mr. Clark now has a

1170
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,680
responsibility to prove that the fence

1171
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,839
is on his side. And once that proof is

1172
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:45,440
made, we will take steps. We will take

1173
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,559
all of the necessary steps to conform to

1174
00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:50,400
the law, to what this commission

1175
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,119
dictates, to what the overall uh rules

1176
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,880
are. But we cannot come in here and

1177
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,280
start talking about that our family

1178
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,800
sewer is going into the creek. That's

1179
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,720
absurd.

1180
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:16,630
That is absurd.

1181
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,880
Um, question for the applicant. Where on

1182
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,200
the property is your septic tank leech

1183
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,160
field?

1184
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,520
>> It's on the driveway. Um, please step up

1185
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,359
microphone.

1186
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:31,040
>> I believe it's on the driveway

1187
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,640
underneath the the front of the

1188
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,960
property. You s I think when you came

1189
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,720
by, you saw the septic tank. The septic

1190
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,800
tank, I believe, when the house was

1191
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,040
built. Uh, the septic tank might have

1192
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,640
been outside, but there was a garage put

1193
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,520
over it. So, that septic tank is there.

1194
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Um, and that leech field is underneath

1195
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,720
that

1196
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,680
um the front of the house, I believe.

1197
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,960
>> Under the paved area,

1198
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,760
>> I believe so.

1199
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,079
>> Um, could the planning director speak on

1200
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,920
whether that's code or not?

1201
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,319
>> Um, I I don't know. This is the Sonteo

1202
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,079
County. I don't believe they would

1203
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,000
permit new uh paved areas over septic.

1204
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,680
I'm not sure if it's in the dirt

1205
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,880
semicircle area in the front, but um

1206
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,800
it's yeah, it's a Sonteo County health

1207
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,880
issue. Definitely for new systems. I

1208
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,319
know that's being looked at.

1209
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:21,680
>> You know, Mr. Clark's already called the

1210
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,599
Sonteo uh county at one point. Uh we're

1211
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,680
just waiting for like the DEA, the FBI

1212
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,400
to show up. It's okay. The police, these

1213
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,839
guys are going to keep coming and that's

1214
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:34,160
okay. We will keep addressing these

1215
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,200
issues, but they have come before.

1216
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:42,000
Sonteo came and checked our uh our

1217
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,079
septic tank. They said that there was

1218
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:46,000
some sort of smell coming. Somebody made

1219
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000
a complaint. They came in, they checked

1220
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,520
it. If you'd like, I can get back to the

1221
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,200
commission on who that was. I don't know

1222
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,720
if I have any records of that, but that

1223
00:51:52,720 --> 00:52:00,630
did happen.

1224
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,670
» Thank you.

1225
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,960
I'm making we're gonna if if you don't

1226
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,319
mind, we're we're almost to the public

1227
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:09,760
comment uh period. So, if you don't mind

1228
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
just holding the comment

1229
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,000
>> and if we do not have further questions

1230
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,760
of the applicant or appellent, we will

1231
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,920
go ahead and

1232
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,240
getting anything uh we will go ahead and

1233
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,280
open uh open public hearing. So, uh

1234
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,880
again just the way this is this works is

1235
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,960
a few things. So, one please do approach

1236
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,319
and speak into the microphone. That's

1237
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:32,400
important so that folks can uh hear if

1238
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,000
they're participating online or for the

1239
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,599
record. Uh there is a red uh button on

1240
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:38,960
there to be able to slide it up and

1241
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,720
down. So just push that and go up and

1242
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,480
down. Uh please state your name and if

1243
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,119
you're comfortable uh your residence and

1244
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,280
there is a limit of 3 minutes uh per

1245
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,280
person. Uh again just to reiterate also

1246
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,960
we do have a lot of folks here. So don't

1247
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,400
feel like you need to use all three

1248
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,760
minutes or if you agree with something

1249
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,040
else, you know, it's fine to state the

1250
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,760
agreement. uh but you are also free to

1251
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,079
uh to use the three minutes as you like.

1252
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,000
So with that we will go ahead and open

1253
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,400
uh public comments and uh and do we have

1254
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,160
Julia are there folks on the Zoom and if

1255
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,760
so we'll we'll probably switch back and

1256
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,040
forth a bit.

1257
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,640
>> Just a reminder for those online to use

1258
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,240
the raise hand feature if you'd want to

1259
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,440
make a comment.

1260
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,960
>> So what we'll do is if there folks on

1261
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Zoom we'll we'll sort of alternate back

1262
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,599
and forth uh and uh and go that way. So

1263
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:21,119
why don't we open up with anyone in the

1264
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,960
room like to uh make a comment uh now

1265
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,960
would be the time. And I just want to

1266
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,359
note that our timer that usually usually

1267
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,200
shows up on our screen is not working,

1268
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,640
but our deputy town

1269
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,319
>> I actually reached out to Jen while we

1270
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:33,839
were talking and we've got it fixed. So,

1271
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:37,030
>> thank you.

1272
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,760
» My name is Janet Estep. I've lived in

1273
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,760
Woodside off and on for since 1956 when

1274
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,200
we incorporated it as a horse community.

1275
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,480
Okay.

1276
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,040
And the area that Sue uh my friend lived

1277
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,520
in the house that you were talking about

1278
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,920
was in county all the time until I guess

1279
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,000
you'd call it recently the Woodside took

1280
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,559
an interest in it. But the regulations

1281
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:11,520
that first of all I've had a uh permit

1282
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,200
for over 50 years in Woodside on Raundo

1283
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,119
and I resent the fact that they state

1284
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,319
that nobody comes out and looks at your

1285
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,280
barn. Nobody cares about your manure.

1286
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,800
Nobody cares about the scent. They do. I

1287
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,559
had the flu one year and I couldn't

1288
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,000
clean my corral. I got three notices. I

1289
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,800
was sick for three weeks. Every week I

1290
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,920
got a notice, okay? And we took care of

1291
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,599
it. We had we haul manure away. We cover

1292
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,599
it up with dirt. We do whatever we

1293
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,640
don't. And I don't have horses now, but

1294
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,480
I renew my permit because I don't ever

1295
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,079
want to give it up because when you do,

1296
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:00,880
you have problems. Now Sue died

1297
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,960
and now we have problems for the new

1298
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,880
owner who we're trying to welcome into a

1299
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,200
horse community.

1300
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,480
This is still a horse community. I was

1301
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,480
here. I know the men that put this town

1302
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,520
together and it was put together to be a

1303
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,319
horse community. Now we've been under

1304
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:25,359
attack after the war. We were under

1305
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:29,680
attack in the 60s. the 70s, we've seen

1306
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,000
barns torn down and tennis courts put in

1307
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,520
and swimming pools put in and even

1308
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,720
soccer fields put in. And that's fine.

1309
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,720
Those are the people they want to do

1310
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,520
that. But in the meantime, we're still

1311
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,920
here. The horses are still here. There's

1312
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,480
not many of us. When I was younger,

1313
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,839
there were 5,000 in town. Now

1314
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:56,480
probablyund and something, I think. you

1315
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,520
know, it's gone, but we're on our way

1316
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,599
out. But Sue had a good house with two

1317
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,280
horses, maintained the the grounds, and

1318
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,319
she had that guy as her neighbor for 30

1319
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:13,920
years.

1320
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,520
Give us a chance with the new and don't

1321
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,200
tell me that we do not regulate the

1322
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920
horse community. The horse community has

1323
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,599
been regulated almost out of town. You

1324
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,240
took away our commercial barns. You took

1325
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,359
away the commercial permits on Kenyatta

1326
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,680
long before you guys were here because

1327
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,319
that happened in the 70s.

1328
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:39,280
Thank you.

1329
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:46,789
>> Thank you.

1330
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:48,079
» All right.

1331
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,799
>> I'm Ricky Benadetti. Uh, I'm also on the

1332
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,480
trails committee of the town. I'm not

1333
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,640
here speaking from the trails committee.

1334
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,440
I'm here just as a resident.

1335
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,119
Any other disclosures I have to give you

1336
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,000
or I

1337
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:00,640
>> think you're good.

1338
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,319
>> Okay. Um, we purchased the property at

1339
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,559
833 Canata Road back in 1983.

1340
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,520
That's 43 years ago. There's always been

1341
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,319
horses looking through the window

1342
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,920
towards Glen Craig.

1343
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,319
We are here today to determine is the

1344
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:22,319
site really large enough to have two

1345
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:26,319
horses on it per the Woodside code. In

1346
00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:29,040
my viewpoint, I think it's important to

1347
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,200
know why this all came up. Going back

1348
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,920
into the 60s, 70s, and 80s

1349
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,040
during the winter rains, there were a

1350
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,960
lot of landslides up on Oak Hill, Summit

1351
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,799
Springs, Partition, Patrol Road, and it

1352
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:52,240
turned out that through the various

1353
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,559
inspections, it was from horses being

1354
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:56,720
kept on hillsides,

1355
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,640
and they were just constantly churning

1356
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,880
things up, mixing it up, making it

1357
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,240
slippery, and washing out. They came up

1358
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,760
with a plan to say, "Okay, let's only

1359
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,960
have horses on one acre and larger."

1360
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,640
Well, that's fine except that that was

1361
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,079
for the hillsides, but it's a uniform

1362
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,040
code throughout the town. So, there has

1363
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,920
to be exceptions. You're looking at a

1364
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,799
site at 831

1365
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:30,720
Glen Craig that is relatively flat. The

1366
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,760
soil is very compacted.

1367
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,760
There's good drainage on it. So, there's

1368
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,920
really no reason not to approve the

1369
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,119
exception of horses on less than an

1370
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:49,510
acre.

1371
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:56,630
» Thank you.

1372
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,920
» U my name is Bill Man. I live and own

1373
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,280
the property at 823 Glen Craig Way,

1374
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,160
which is directly adjacent to 8 uh 31.

1375
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,640
Um, in fact, my property almost

1376
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,760
surrounds his property. It has uh his

1377
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,000
complete um sideyard run and then his

1378
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,240
complete rear. So, I I'm very very close

1379
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,640
to him. Um the I purchased the property

1380
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,920
in and moved in in 1975

1381
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,760
and there were horses there. It was a

1382
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,920
mess. There was a a creek that went

1383
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,640
through it. Um there was four horses on

1384
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,720
the property all the time and it was

1385
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,680
really poorly kept. Uh that was the uh

1386
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,240
an owner, the first owner. Uh then uh a

1387
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,799
girl named Suzian uh purchased a

1388
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,799
property and started working cleaning it

1389
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:55,040
up trying to uh rellandscape it and a

1390
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,520
large portion of this property is

1391
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,520
dedicated to horses. There's not a lot

1392
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,799
of other stuff on it. Okay. Anyway, she

1393
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:06,319
uh uh and then

1394
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:08,480
the new owners have come in and cleaned

1395
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,160
it up. And I'll tell you, I'm right

1396
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,559
behind it and beside it. I have three

1397
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,559
horses on my property. Um, and

1398
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,960
there this year has been exceptional.

1399
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,319
There are no flies. In fact, um, on my

1400
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,400
place, it's amazing. Horses attract

1401
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,760
flies, but um, I have out a lot of fly

1402
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,480
control stuff. The new owner has out all

1403
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,720
kinds of stuff. There's, in fact, people

1404
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,319
have com commented when they come to,

1405
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:36,400
they go, "You don't have any flies as

1406
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,440
far as the noise or the dust." Um, you

1407
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,119
know, um, I I don't notice anything. I

1408
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,799
mean, you hear a horse winning now and

1409
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:47,839
then, but, um, I don't see any problem

1410
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,079
whatsoever with them having two horses

1411
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,400
there. They're good neighbors, and they

1412
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,640
have greatly improved the property, and

1413
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,240
if you've been out there and saw it,

1414
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,720
it's immaculate. I mean, it it it is

1415
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,799
really what it should be. So, anyway,

1416
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:03,119
thank you for your consideration. Thank

1417
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:11,510
you.

1418
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Hi, I'm Karen Flores at 185 Hobart's

1419
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,839
Heights in Woodside and I just want to

1420
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:20,720
speak about this. Mr. Manro went to the

1421
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,720
livestock committee and presented his

1422
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,359
exception request which is what we

1423
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,920
should all do. He put in place all the

1424
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,559
necessary requirements for fly control,

1425
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,559
sufficient and safe space for the two

1426
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,599
horses, sufficient shelter, drainage,

1427
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,680
etc. And he was approved for the two

1428
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,400
horses by the committee. In my opinion,

1429
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,480
he handled this in the proper way and he

1430
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,960
went through the proper channels. I walk

1431
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,440
in that area routinely and I had noticed

1432
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,440
how nicely fixed up the property was

1433
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,480
after the new family had purchased it. I

1434
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,240
did not know who they were, but I was

1435
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,319
very impressed with what they had done.

1436
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:58,160
I saw the horse and now horses

1437
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,119
frequently when I was on my walks. They

1438
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:03,520
are clean. They're well cared for. I do

1439
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,599
not notice dust, odor, or flies.

1440
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,160
Woodside is a town known for its horses,

1441
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,240
and it is part of our overall town

1442
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,400
charter. It was the main reason I moved

1443
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,359
here 35 years ago. There is a process in

1444
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:19,359
place by the town to asssure that

1445
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,760
stables meet certain requirements for a

1446
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,640
residential area and Mr. Manra followed

1447
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,799
that process and was approved for his

1448
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:29,599
exception. I strongly support the permit

1449
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,760
exception to allow the two horses to

1450
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:43,109
remain on the property. Thank you.

1451
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,240
My name is uh Dan Flores and I've lived

1452
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,520
here the same number of years as my wife

1453
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,359
and we do live in the same house.

1454
01:02:53,359 --> 01:02:55,680
>> Um

1455
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,680
I just want to say something interesting

1456
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,680
that struck me. I had some things

1457
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,040
written down but something that really

1458
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,200
struck me is Mr. Clark opened his

1459
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,400
comments by trying to convey the idea

1460
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,680
that he didn't dislike horses, that as a

1461
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,319
child or as a youngster, he had ridden

1462
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:17,440
horses and worked on horses. And yet,

1463
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,640
when I heard his comments,

1464
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,319
I didn't come away from that thinking,

1465
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:25,119
this is a guy who likes horses. If

1466
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,280
anything, it struck me as somebody that

1467
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,480
kind of resented horses and resented all

1468
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,559
the work that he had to do when he was

1469
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,079
growing up with horses. So, I'm not sure

1470
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:39,280
that any of that can be used to justify

1471
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,720
any of the decisions that the members

1472
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,880
here have to make. [clears throat] The

1473
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,880
other thing is that there have been a

1474
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,039
lot of comments about property values,

1475
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,400
and that's certainly important. We all

1476
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,640
live in Woodside. We certainly know what

1477
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,119
property values are all about, but

1478
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:54,640
there's all kinds of things that you

1479
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,559
could list that might impact your

1480
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:59,119
property values. It might be a barking

1481
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,359
dog. It might be an old car parked in

1482
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,760
front. Yes, there might be some dust. I

1483
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,440
mean, we could sit here all evening and

1484
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,440
just list all the things that might be

1485
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,359
impacting somebody's property value.

1486
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:14,400
To me, what is more important is the

1487
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,200
character of this community. And if we

1488
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,440
as a community and the members here

1489
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,400
accept and want to support the character

1490
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,799
of this community and one of the

1491
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:26,559
characters of this community is that it

1492
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,960
is a horse community. And even though

1493
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,599
there aren't as many people now who ride

1494
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,640
horses, absolutely it is absolutely one

1495
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,920
of the things that makes this community

1496
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,319
so charming. When people look around,

1497
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:39,520
there are some people that want to live

1498
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,440
in a more sterile environment like

1499
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,680
PaloAlto. And I love PaloAlto. I don't

1500
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,599
say that in a negative way. They want to

1501
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,280
live in a condo or something like that

1502
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,520
and that's good. But there are other

1503
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,160
people that are attracted to more of a

1504
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,720
outdoor type of community. I mean a lot

1505
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,160
of neighbors you walk through the town

1506
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,160
you see people have chickens. Wow. We

1507
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,640
raise eggs. You see kids on kinata

1508
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,359
selling eggs that have come from their

1509
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:06,079
chickens. It's part of the overall

1510
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,880
character that makes this community so

1511
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,480
incredibly unique and beautiful. And I

1512
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,480
really believe that we need to support

1513
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,359
that and continue to support that. And I

1514
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:18,720
think one of the ways that we can do

1515
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,559
that is by supporting the request of Mr.

1516
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:26,480
Monroe here. Now, does a neighbor have

1517
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,920
the right to say you need to maintain

1518
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,760
your property with your horses?

1519
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,160
Absolutely. Nobody wants to live in an

1520
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,160
area where somebody brings in 20 horses

1521
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,240
and cleans up the horsemen once a month.

1522
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,960
That is a very fair request.

1523
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,640
Does somebody have the right to look

1524
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,400
over and say, "Man, your horses should

1525
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,039
be well taken care of. It looks like

1526
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:48,960
they're never fed." That's not an issue

1527
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,039
at all here.

1528
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:54,640
He is meeting, matching, and surpassing

1529
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,720
every request and need that a reasonable

1530
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,480
horse owner would expect for their

1531
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,400
horses above and beyond the call of

1532
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,520
duty. You walk on the street as a final

1533
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,200
comment. Oh, we're over time. Do you

1534
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,240
mind just wrapping up?

1535
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,039
>> Thank you very much for your time.

1536
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:15,190
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

1537
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,559
Good evening and thank you for your

1538
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,119
time. My name is Sarah Monroe. I'm 16

1539
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:20,960
years old and I live at 831 Glen

1540
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,119
Craigway. My family and I moved to

1541
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,359
Woodside for one specific reason, to be

1542
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:27,200
closer to the equestrian community and

1543
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,319
my horses. During August of 2024, I

1544
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:32,640
moved Bling, my first horse, over to 831

1545
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,480
Glen Craig Way, and one of my friends

1546
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,240
had her horse on the property for a

1547
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,799
short period of time. Mr. Clark filed no

1548
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:40,640
complaint about two horses during that

1549
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,039
time. As soon as my friend's horse left,

1550
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,680
Bling was left alone. Now, if you've had

1551
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,599
experience around horses, you would know

1552
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,079
that horses are herd animals. Having two

1553
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:52,000
horses that get along is going to make

1554
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,400
sure both horses are quieter, calmer,

1555
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,119
and happier. Having one horse by itself

1556
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:59,280
is simply cruel, and is the recipe for

1557
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,400
an unhappy horse. In Mr. Clark's appeal,

1558
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,000
he mentions that the livestock committee

1559
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,119
members one did not listen and two made

1560
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:08,880
up their own mind based upon their own

1561
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,280
ideas that had no basis in fact.

1562
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,880
However, the meeting lasted one and a

1563
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,200
half hours. They did listen and two of

1564
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,960
the members spoke about how they spent

1565
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,880
some time by the horse area observing

1566
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,119
the horses and from their own experience

1567
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:23,359
and knowledge concluded the horses are

1568
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:25,280
well cared for and there was enough room

1569
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,839
for them. Another claim that was made

1570
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:30,160
was the fly amount had increased. When I

1571
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,720
read this, two things came to mind. One,

1572
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,559
manure gets picked up multiple times a

1573
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:36,400
day into closed bins and leaves the

1574
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,319
property weekly. And according to the

1575
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,559
fly life cycle, it simply reduces the

1576
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,319
chances of an extensive amount of flies

1577
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,319
to be born. The claim that there are

1578
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,880
more flies is subjective. No objective

1579
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,240
measurements were provided to

1580
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,599
demonstrate that there had been an

1581
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:51,520
unusual increase or that is related to

1582
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,200
our property and specifically our

1583
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,280
horses. These are just two examples

1584
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:56,960
throughout the letter where I noticed an

1585
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,799
assumption or baseless statement without

1586
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:01,599
evidence to support it. In the summer of

1587
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,160
2025, my family bought Billy the second

1588
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,480
horse. Both of these horses are my best

1589
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:07,839
friends, and I couldn't imagine living

1590
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:10,319
without them. In fact, me and my family

1591
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,160
purposely didn't hire anyone to take

1592
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,920
care of them so I could have the full

1593
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,440
responsibility and get the full

1594
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,839
equestrian experience. I have skipped

1595
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:19,600
multiple hangouts with friends, school

1596
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,600
activities, and events to make sure they

1597
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,440
get the best quality of life and enjoy

1598
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:26,159
living with us. For us, getting rid of

1599
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:27,679
one horse would simply mean getting rid

1600
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:29,600
of both, as it's not fair to keep one by

1601
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,000
itself. Woodside already has an extreme

1602
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,080
decrease in horse properties and horses

1603
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,839
as a whole. Please don't let your

1604
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:37,679
decision today contribute to the

1605
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,199
continued loss of the equestrian

1606
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:40,960
community that has been a long defining

1607
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,520
part of Woodside's identity. Thank you.

1608
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:55,749
>> Thank you.

1609
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:57,679
Good evening. I'm Maggie Ma. I'm a

1610
01:08:57,679 --> 01:08:59,759
member of the trails committee. I'm here

1611
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,759
um um as a resident, but I would like to

1612
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:07,120
address the issue of um question of

1613
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,480
stable permits. Um I have uh a lot of

1614
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:12,640
personal experience with this. I'm a

1615
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,679
horse owner. I moved here 30 years ago.

1616
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:17,839
Um, there was an existing stable permit

1617
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:20,080
and I I knew about it because the old

1618
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,600
permit was stuck up on the barn. Um, and

1619
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,839
I was I had boarded horses down here at

1620
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,600
another spot. So, I knew there was

1621
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,560
stable permits permitted. However, a lot

1622
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,080
of people don't, as Sage said, um, there

1623
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,359
is really no mechanism within the town

1624
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,759
to allow to alert the town that

1625
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:43,600
properties change hands. So, um, uh, as

1626
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,839
a member of the trails committee, we

1627
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:48,319
work with the town to issue the stable

1628
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,600
permit invoices every year. Um, we have

1629
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,199
a budget that comes from the trail user

1630
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:57,520
fees that people pay according to how

1631
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,199
many horses they have that regularly

1632
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,440
ride the trails.

1633
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,199
Um, and that makes up half our budget.

1634
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,360
And that goes into repairing trails. So,

1635
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,679
we keep a close eye or we try to keep a

1636
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:12,320
close eye on the stable permit. I will

1637
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,719
tell you this and it's been going on for

1638
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:17,520
years that the town I'm sorry Sage, but

1639
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,560
the town has been has never had good

1640
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,040
records about stable permits.

1641
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,080
Uh, at one point, um, so what happens is

1642
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,040
the the property changes hands. Um, the

1643
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,320
invoice goes out it and it goes to the

1644
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,280
former the former owner, right? So the

1645
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,880
current owner will look at that and he

1646
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,480
goes, "Well, that's just for somebody

1647
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,159
else." Maybe they'll forwarded it, maybe

1648
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,560
they won't, but the but the previous

1649
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:45,920
owner is going to go, "Well, I don't

1650
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,280
live there anymore. Why should I have

1651
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,840
this?" Right? So you can imagine. So

1652
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,719
when a when a stable permit invoice goes

1653
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:56,159
unpaid, this is the current procedure.

1654
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:58,560
It is dropped from the next year's

1655
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:03,600
mailing list. So there there's no way to

1656
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,760
track what has happened to it. There is

1657
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,320
no way to know who really has a permit.

1658
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,400
There's a lot of horses in in Woodside

1659
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,239
that are unaccounted for. We we're

1660
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,000
pretty sure of that, but we don't

1661
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,239
there's no way to prove it. So, there

1662
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,640
are permits that are that are that have

1663
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,040
never been taken out. There are permits

1664
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,719
that don't get renewed for whatever

1665
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:25,520
reason. Most people in Woodside who have

1666
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,080
horses are good about this, but but this

1667
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,400
hap this this is classic. I mean, every

1668
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,920
year we see that there are permits that

1669
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,480
fall by the wayside. So, um, it became

1670
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,280
so frustrating at one point that I went

1671
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,080
down to the town and having spent a fair

1672
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,320
amount of time documenting all of the

1673
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,040
dedicated equestrian easements

1674
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:54,400
in 2008, five, something like that. Um,

1675
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,440
I actually found a bind. I asked the

1676
01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,120
town, "Do you have a binder where the

1677
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,400
stable permit applications reside?" I

1678
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,480
was shown a binder and I copied them.

1679
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,679
And Miss Sheen's name is here along with

1680
01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:13,600
five other households on Glen Craig. So,

1681
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,080
the the idea that that she's never had a

1682
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,960
permit is ridiculous. So, I also worked

1683
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,640
on the general plan. I know I'm out of

1684
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,880
time here. I worked on the general plan

1685
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,920
and I can't I I just want to support

1686
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,199
what other people have said about this

1687
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,440
is this is a horse country. I'm lucky

1688
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,440
enough to have good neighbors who look

1689
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:32,880
out for their horses and look out for

1690
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:35,040
mine and I wish the minor hours the

1691
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:47,830
same. Thank you.

1692
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,040
Hello. I am Heather Schilling. I am

1693
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,440
privileged to say that I'm a fifth

1694
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:56,320
generation woodsider. I currently also

1695
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,880
live on Glen Craig and I know their

1696
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,960
facility quite well. Um I my entire

1697
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,120
professional life has been working with

1698
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,719
horses. I was the barn manager at at uh

1699
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:10,320
NCFT

1700
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,400
uh head instructor at NCT, barn manager

1701
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,719
and head instructor at BK Ranch. I

1702
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:16,880
currently work at Westwind in Los Altos

1703
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,520
and I've taught junior riders for 23

1704
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,719
years. So I have extensive history and

1705
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:24,560
understanding of herd management, barn

1706
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,800
management, and horse care. Um, what I

1707
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,880
will say about their property is that is

1708
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,960
immaculate. It is beautiful. Those

1709
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,880
horses are extremely well cared for.

1710
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,199
They're quiet. They're lovely. They're absolute. I see Sarah riding all

1711
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,800
the time. She takes such good care of

1712
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,080
those horses. I just couldn't say

1713
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,120
anything nicer. Um,

1714
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,719
I

1715
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:47,760
really want to support this horse

1716
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,640
community. I am also privileged to say

1717
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,239
that my great-g grandandmother was one

1718
01:13:52,239 --> 01:13:53,520
of the founding members of the trail

1719
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,120
club. So, I am very vested in this. I

1720
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,000
any in any way or fashion that I can

1721
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,920
show up for the horse community, I

1722
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,320
absolutely will. Um, there is so much

1723
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,360
history. I remember going through um old

1724
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,120
photo albums uh at my grandmother's

1725
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,360
house on Mansonate away looking at uh

1726
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,000
many old pictures and I just got some

1727
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,640
pictures from my aunt last night. Um

1728
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,760
just some very old vintage pictures of

1729
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,760
my family and the horses involved.

1730
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,080
Horses are such a huge part of this

1731
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,480
community and horses have the ability to

1732
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,480
bring people together as we all know

1733
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,719
from day of the horse and many other

1734
01:14:30,719 --> 01:14:33,120
things that this town does. So I just

1735
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,880
wanted to come here to support them. I

1736
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,239
know that their facility is beautiful,

1737
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:39,920
well cared for, and um

1738
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,760
I think that's about it. I'll keep it

1739
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:52,630
short.

1740
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,480
» How's it going everybody? Good evening.

1741
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,360
Um I'm John Hayward and I was asked to

1742
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,360
take a look at this by Mr. Monroe

1743
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,000
because I am the current and have been

1744
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:03,520
for the last nine years facilities

1745
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,199
manager at web branch which is a I would

1746
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,560
call densely uh populated stable with uh

1747
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,840
about 300 horses. Um about 200 of which

1748
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,719
are housed in in facilities about the

1749
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:19,199
same size. Um

1750
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,600
I also work with uh county permitting on

1751
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,440
this. I work with all of our local vets,

1752
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:27,120
friers, our state vet, CDFA, and I'm

1753
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,960
very well verssed in all of the issues

1754
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,679
that have come up tonight. Um, a couple

1755
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:33,760
things that uh caught my attention. I

1756
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,199
did read the brief um that was uh put

1757
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,679
online and it seemed like a lot of these

1758
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:41,360
uh issues that are brought up were

1759
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,760
related to fencing and arborist issues,

1760
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,320
contractors, things like that. Um, and

1761
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,560
so I'm just going to speak on the

1762
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,400
current state of the site which I

1763
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,239
visited. Um, as well as the car the

1764
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:55,040
horses. Um, if you talk with the state

1765
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,520
vet or CDFA, um, though the town may

1766
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,840
have different reasoning, uh, their

1767
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,480
general reasoning for for requiring

1768
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:04,000
stling permits and especially with them,

1769
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,320
county of Sanonteo of an acre per horse

1770
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,520
is mostly related to overg grazing. Um,

1771
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,080
their horses here at this uh, property

1772
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:14,320
are not grazing. they're they're fed hay

1773
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,199
and supplements every day. Um they also

1774
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:19,520
have adequate fencing um which has been

1775
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,360
mentioned. They have plenty of space as

1776
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,239
far as um stable in addition to the

1777
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,880
turnout. Um typically, you know, in a a

1778
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,400
facility like we have a turnout area of

1779
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,440
600 square ft is more than adequate. Um

1780
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,199
I believe their turnout area is close to

1781
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:38,080
5,000 on the property. Um so more than

1782
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,800
adequate. Uh the way they handle manure,

1783
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,440
flies, all that is absolutely adequate

1784
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:44,800
and that's coming from somebody that

1785
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,040
does deal with about 80 cubic yards of

1786
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,800
manure daily. Um that gets put right

1787
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,880
next to our Lera neighbors. Um and we

1788
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,280
have dealt with them before and and uh

1789
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,280
yeah, manure is typically the biggest

1790
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,280
issue with neighbors. Um the way they

1791
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,560
handle the manure, picking it up

1792
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,800
multiple times every day, keeping it in

1793
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,640
covered bins till it's picked up. Um

1794
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,880
it's incredible. Um, I've also worked

1795
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,400
with their horses a little bit over at

1796
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,600
the mount of patrol when they've brought

1797
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,920
them over and they are very happy,

1798
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,040
healthy horses. Um, no hoof issues, no

1799
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:20,159
major medical issues. Um, they're just kept incredibly well. So,

1800
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,960
um, I think that's all I have and uh,

1801
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,719
yeah, thank you. Thanks for talking.

1802
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:33,750
Thank you.

1803
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,400
» Hi, I'm Christina Chantolo. I'm at 1389

1804
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,760
Kenyana Road. Um I'm an equin

1805
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,600
professional uh in Woodside for the past

1806
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,679
20 years. I've been managing public and

1807
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:47,280
private barns um Foldier Stable and a

1808
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,840
lot of private barns in Woodside. And uh

1809
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,960
the facility at um A31 Glen Crag is is

1810
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,880
remarkable. I mean I have never seen a

1811
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,000
fly system that way. Um it's clean, it's

1812
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,800
dustfree, and the horses are very happy.

1813
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,800
So I want to just second what everyone

1814
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,840
else has has said today. And that's all

1815
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,510
you.

1816
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,480
» We do have one raised hand online now.

1817
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,080
Anita, I'm going to give you permission

1818
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:21,430
to speak. you just need to unmute.

1819
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,159
» Hi, this is Ann Vancamp.

1820
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:27,679
Um, I just wanted to uh chip in and just

1821
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:30,239
support what everyone has been saying in

1822
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:34,080
support of um agreeing with the two

1823
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,960
horses on the property. Um, I'm

1824
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,760
currently uh traveling and sadly not

1825
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,840
able to be there in person. Um and I

1826
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,600
don't want to take too much more time

1827
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,719
but just want to agree with the um

1828
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:53,600
arguments in favor especially um most

1829
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,679
important to me is to keep good sight

1830
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:58,960
for horse country and um I'm hoping that

1831
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,040
the planning committee will um approach

1832
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,760
me to

1833
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,000
this uh specific property for Thank you

1834
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,550
so

1835
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,830
you.

1836
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:23,030
» We have any other comments in the room?

1837
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,640
» I'm Carrie Oberi. I live at 621 East. Um

1838
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,719
I'm familiar with the property. I used

1839
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,719
to house it for Sushi and she had two

1840
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:32,800
horses and he's done so many

1841
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,400
improvements to the property and I've

1842
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,480
been there since then and I drive by

1843
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,239
there at least four times a day going

1844
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,080
back and forth to the school.

1845
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,640
never seen manure in the on the property

1846
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,239
and it's beautiful and I think they're

1847
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,400
doing a good job.

1848
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:57,350
>> Thank you.

1849
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,480
» Good evening. My name is Alita Reed and

1850
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,440
I've owned horses

1851
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:06,159
uh for 50 years. They had the privilege

1852
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:08,320
of living in Woodside. I did not. I

1853
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,360
lived in Redwood City. I did know Sue

1854
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,080
many, many years. She always had two

1855
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,719
horses on her property. And I just

1856
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,880
wanted to address the history of the

1857
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,880
property that there always were two

1858
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,440
horses there and to all of a sudden

1859
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:27,120
eliminate one uh is definitely not fair.

1860
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,640
So that's my input on this subject.

1861
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:40,149
Thank you.

1862
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:43,120
Hi, my name is Lupita and I'm Susan

1863
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,239
Chen's adopted daughter. I live uh an

1864
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:49,600
A31 Glen crack for a few years with her

1865
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,239
and we always have two horses and we

1866
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:54,880
always have problems with Mr. Clark.

1867
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,199
problems about the fence, problems about

1868
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:00,080
the trees, problems about the windows

1869
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,360
replacement, problems about anything you

1870
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,440
can name it. He's [snorts] been a

1871
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,719
harassing person since he moved into

1872
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:11,199
that property. And unfortunately, I have

1873
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:13,360
two kids and unfortunately they could

1874
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,719
not be friends, my kids, with his girls

1875
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,719
because it's always something between

1876
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:23,679
them. like uh Alexis uh his daughter

1877
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:25,440
used to be a friend of my daughter

1878
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,520
Kimberly and they always have problems

1879
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,480
about playing together or something. He

1880
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:34,239
will get mad upset with them. So I feel

1881
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:37,840
bad that now the all these problems pass

1882
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,080
it to Mrs. Monroe's family which they're

1883
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,480
very nice family and uh the way he does

1884
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:48,400
is he takes everything legally and go

1885
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,480
number by number and justified and this

1886
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,719
he seems like he's not a horse lober if

1887
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:57,520
you're doing this to a horse to a horses

1888
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,280
that is nothing I mean they're not

1889
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:00,880
bothering his property and they're not

1890
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,880
in his property so I feel sad for

1891
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,800
Monro's family and they have to go

1892
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,960
through this Because my mother having

1893
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,679
cancer, she go she went through all this

1894
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:14,719
against him like fighting for the fans.

1895
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:18,320
They he make him make her move the fence

1896
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,400
and he put another fence separated. It

1897
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,480
was just a disaster and it was sad to

1898
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,280
see my mother go fighting always with

1899
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,600
him. And the last word she told me,

1900
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,080
"Whatever you do, don't you ever sell my

1901
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,159
property to Mr. Clark."

1902
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:45,750
That was her wishes and I did it.

1903
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,199
Evening guys. Uh my name is Dan

1904
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:49,120
Janatasia. I live in Redwood City on Kev

1905
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,440
Canyon Road. Um I think this you guys

1906
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:52,719
moving forward you should take this as

1907
01:22:52,719 --> 01:22:54,880
an example of not losing the horse

1908
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,120
community that you have in this area and

1909
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,040
actually welcoming it and moving, you

1910
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,480
know, with the exceptions. I think you

1911
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:01,760
guys should probably make exceptions

1912
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,760
with how tight this world is and how

1913
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,679
people are willing to put money out for

1914
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:08,480
a hobby that costs a lot. You have other

1915
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,320
arrangements with kids in school and

1916
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:11,920
college, but they're willing to go out

1917
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,679
and get these horses. There's a lot of

1918
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:14,960
people and we're trying to bring up the

1919
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,880
next generation. And if we have problems

1920
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,000
with getting land for 4, FFA, horse

1921
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,239
corral, what the manure is, people that

1922
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,000
move in your airports know there's going

1923
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,760
to be an airport sound. People that move

1924
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,679
into a community with horses need to

1925
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:28,880
realize there's going to be horse. you

1926
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,560
may have to slow down and pull over,

1927
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,719
stop, let the horses move through

1928
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:33,840
because at some point there's going to

1929
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,000
be a lot of cars and motorcycles in this

1930
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:44,550
area. So, uh, thank you very much.

1931
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,310
» Any other comments?

1932
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:49,679
» All right. Well, we will go ahead and

1933
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:52,080
close public hearing then. And the next

1934
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,400
step is uh is commissioner deliberation.

1935
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,840
So before we uh sorry there is a hand.

1936
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,280
Is that a hand for a comment?

1937
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,880
>> Yeah, a hand just went up. Um iPhone

1938
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,440
184. You want to let them speak?

1939
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,000
>> Uh sure. Yeah, if it's public comment.

1940
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,920
Yeah, let's get the last one in.

1941
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,199
>> Okay. You've been given permission to

1942
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:16,639
speak. You just need to unmute.

1943
01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:19,920
>> Yes. Hi, my name is Sharon Butler. Um,

1944
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320
I've been in the equestrian community

1945
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,960
for about 25 years. I also knew Sushi

1946
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,920
Han for over 10 years. Um, I just also

1947
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,880
want to reiterate that there have also

1948
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,040
um there have been two horses on that

1949
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,120
property for as long as I have known

1950
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:42,719
Sue. And the neighbors then main um

1951
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:44,960
attack on Sue was about property lines,

1952
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,400
not about the number of horses that

1953
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,239
she's had. We um I'm a on the board of

1954
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:52,719
Satel County Horseman's Association and

1955
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,480
I totally agree with the gentleman that

1956
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:56,960
just spoke that we are really needing

1957
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,120
the next generation of equestrians to

1958
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,480
come up which is Sarah. Um I personally

1959
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:05,440
know Munich, his wife Nidi and Sarah.

1960
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:08,480
They are lovely people. They're a

1961
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,520
wonderful ambassador to our equestrian

1962
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,199
community. Um, and I would hate to see

1963
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:17,600
anything happen to them not being able

1964
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,320
to ride through Woodside because they've

1965
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,400
had to remove their horses um from

1966
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:27,920
Woodside. So, I also am in favor of um

1967
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,159
allowing them to have this exception

1968
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,480
permit and keep both horses on the

1969
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:34,639
property. Um, thank you so much for your

1970
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:36,639
time.

1971
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:40,310
>> Thank you.

1972
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,159
» All right. So with that, no other hands

1973
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:45,040
online. Okay, we'll go ahead and close

1974
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,880
public hearing then and uh and proceed

1975
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,199
to commissioner uh deliberations. So

1976
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:50,960
just to maybe set the the context for

1977
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,600
that and a reminder of we've heard a lot

1978
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,199
of of different things. The decision in

1979
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:57,040
front of us is can we make three

1980
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,760
findings uh just to reiterate it. Number

1981
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,520
one is the exception will not impair the

1982
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:02,800
health, safety or welfare of the

1983
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,719
livestock maintained on the site. So

1984
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,239
that one focused on the livestock. The

1985
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,400
exception will not result in any adverse

1986
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,920
health, safety, noise, traffic or visual

1987
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,360
impacts on surrounding properties and

1988
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,760
roadways and the proposed use complies

1989
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,440
with all under standards of 115.12 which

1990
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,000
again is the private stables uh pieces.

1991
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,840
I think the other thing that that is the

1992
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,239
narrow sort of decision in front of us.

1993
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:27,920
Uh we are also uh sworn to uphold the

1994
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,639
general plan and we we all know that does carry quite a few elements of

1995
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:36,000
equestrian community in it. Um so that

1996
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,760
in my mind is also quite germanine to

1997
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,120
the decision that we should be making

1998
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:45,840
because it's the context in which this will this will sit. Um so

1999
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,000
with that I'll also disclose we uh big

2000
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,360
piece of why we're here as well. We have

2001
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,080
an eight and and 10year-old who are is

2002
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,520
training as well. So certainly

2003
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:56,800
understand the horse community and and

2004
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,560
that nature of our town. Uh but with

2005
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,520
that um would anyone like to to kick off

2006
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,640
discussions?

2007
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:06,880
» [clears throat]

2008
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,320
>> So none of the uh findings uh I can go

2009
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,679
against any none of the findings uh

2010
01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:18,000
fairly narrow uh narrow decision uh as

2011
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,760
far as that's concerned. U the

2012
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,400
grievances by the neighbor

2013
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,040
um although they might be important to

2014
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,840
him have don't have really anything to

2015
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,960
do with with our deliberation. Uh the

2016
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,840
drainage issue is uh being handled uh by

2017
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,000
staff at this point or in the future. Uh

2018
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,040
the fence issues have been resolved

2019
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,960
other than um the con the small peers

2020
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:49,760
that appear to be on on Mr. Clark's

2021
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,000
property. uh but that can be removed I

2022
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,199
suppose uh without you know without

2023
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:02,560
impacting uh our decision. So, um I

2024
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,400
can't find any uh objections to to this

2025
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,280
uh well actually I would not uh I would

2026
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,280
not approve the appeal uh that is before

2027
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,560
us and I would uphold the exception by

2028
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,199
the uh livestock committee for the two

2029
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:29,669
horse u permit on 831 Glen Craig.

2030
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,760
As Richard just pointed out, the

2031
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,840
findings we are being asked to make

2032
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,520
tonight are quite narrow and defined by

2033
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:41,840
the municipal code. And [clears throat]

2034
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,760
in the context of that

2035
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,679
of what we're being asked uh the

2036
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:49,280
findings we're being asked to make

2037
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,120
tonight,

2038
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,920
um I would agree with Richard in that we

2039
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,480
need to deny the appeal.

2040
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:02,239
Um, the property owners are certainly

2041
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:05,199
committed to their horses and the way

2042
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:09,040
the code is set up right now. if you are

2043
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,000
willing to turn over a sufficient

2044
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,639
quantity of your residential property to

2045
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:17,840
equin purposes and satisfy the

2046
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,239
requirements of the livestock committee.

2047
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:23,679
Um there is currently no upper bound in

2048
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:27,520
the code on the density of horses that

2049
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:32,000
you can have on your property. Um

2050
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,760
whether

2051
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:38,719
that should be con reconsidered is

2052
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:41,600
um a policy decision at the town council

2053
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,159
level rather than being a planning

2054
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,480
commission decision where we're sort of

2055
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,880
acting in a quasi um judicial role here.

2056
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,360
And so

2057
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,400
whether there would be any uh you know

2058
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,719
upper bound on horse density that would

2059
01:29:58,719 --> 01:30:01,040
be an issue for town council and future

2060
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,199
modifications of the municipal code as

2061
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:07,199
written. Um I did have one follow-up

2062
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:13,840
question for uh for Sage. Um

2063
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,120
the code does not support uh does the

2064
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:21,199
code support having a horse turnout area

2065
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:22,800
or

2066
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,639
um um on top of a septic tank leech

2067
01:30:26,639 --> 01:30:28,400
field.

2068
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,440
>> Um I'm there there's nothing in the

2069
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:33,440
municipal code related to that. If

2070
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,239
anything, it would be uh from the Sonteo

2071
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,639
County um health department who

2072
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:40,480
primarily regulates septic systems.

2073
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,639
There is nothing in the municipal code

2074
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:44,639
and

2075
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,760
I'm I'm just not aware or recall any

2076
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:49,760
instances where that's become an issue.

2077
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,480
The only thing that sort of occurred to

2078
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,639
me in real time, I mean during the

2079
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:56,239
meeting, and I had no time to research

2080
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:00,719
this, is that as a residential property,

2081
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:03,360
the owners have a requirement in order

2082
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,320
to inhabit the house to have a working

2083
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:11,040
septic system. And um

2084
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,679
and ultimately at some point that might

2085
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:16,320
conflict with the ecquin use of their

2086
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,719
property. And I would think in that case

2087
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:24,080
that the health and safety requirements

2088
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,320
of sanitation and the septic system

2089
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,600
would trump the equin uses. But that is

2090
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,560
totally on the fly and that is more of a

2091
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,600
phil a philosophical question.

2092
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,040
But in in the context of the findings

2093
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,560
we're being asked to make um tonight, I

2094
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,120
could make the findings and deny the

2095
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:49,270
appeal.

2096
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:54,080
Um, so consistent with Commissioner

2097
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,719
Weaver's view, I do think there's

2098
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:00,320
probably an issue with the uh the

2099
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,880
overarching, I guess, acre per horse or

2100
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,159
I forget the exact numbers. Um because

2101
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:11,760
when I went to view the property, the acre per horse was probably based on

2102
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:16,000
an old view of grazing and hills and

2103
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,239
that it'll be some side of the of the

2104
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:24,159
property as horse. Um you know, this family has dedicated my my back of

2105
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:26,000
math is maybe over 40% of the property

2106
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,440
to the horses. Um and possibly more um

2107
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:31,280
which is which is really a different

2108
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,960
metric than an acre per horse. Um, and

2109
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,360
so what what I think regardless of what

2110
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,120
happens this evening, I think I would

2111
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,239
encourage those whose job it is to

2112
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:44,639
figure this out is to maybe change that

2113
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:48,000
rule. Um, and think about because I did

2114
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,560
hear minimums on stall size, on runouts,

2115
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:55,280
on paddics. Um and and if if this is a

2116
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,120
precedence, which is what I always try

2117
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:01,840
to avoid, um then how many other sites

2118
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,560
in Woodside could be reorganized to be

2119
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,880
40% horses and meet these other

2120
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,239
requirements but not be the be the um

2121
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:14,400
acre. So if if the goal is is to be a

2122
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:15,920
western community and give everyone that

2123
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,360
sort of opportunity, um maybe try to

2124
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,000
revisit that acre per horse and make it

2125
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,159
more thoughtful to be what the horse

2126
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:28,000
needs and not some antiquated paddic,

2127
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,120
hillside, what have you view. Um so

2128
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,920
hopefully that could be happen. Um and

2129
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,840
then uh consistent with the others, the

2130
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,719
what we're being asked is very narrow.

2131
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:44,159
um and not necessarily uh encompassing

2132
01:33:44,159 --> 01:33:46,480
of the entirety. So, I think the septic

2133
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:48,320
is an issue that if if the lines go

2134
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,199
under the paddic and uh there's a

2135
01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:53,440
potential for a neighborhood issue. Um

2136
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:56,239
but the paddic is massive and if there

2137
01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:58,080
was an issue, I think that they could

2138
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,360
move the fence back a little bit and

2139
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,199
make the septic going to run part of it

2140
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,280
or what have you. Um but I think that's

2141
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,320
not for us to figure out um over time.

2142
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,960
So I I don't really have I don't really

2143
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:13,120
have any reason to accept the appeal

2144
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,719
based on the narrow view, but I would

2145
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,840
encourage some perhaps rethinking of

2146
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,920
what it what a horse site looks like and

2147
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,719
how to how to make it uh acceptable so

2148
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:26,159
that future houses can be shifted if you

2149
01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:30,870
know if it makes sense.

2150
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,120
Yeah, agree with agree [clears throat]

2151
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,360
with many of of of my co-commissioner

2152
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,600
statements. Um,

2153
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,440
and one thing just as far as the the the

2154
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:44,159
limits um there's a two horse per acre

2155
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:46,719
limit I think are we saying not on the

2156
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:52,629
appeal process ly or is

2157
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:54,800
on the application for right because we

2158
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,000
have minimum one and then two per acre.

2159
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,920
So like a twoacre site can have four,

2160
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,480
three acre site can have six, etc.

2161
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:04,719
>> To add a second horse, you need a one

2162
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:07,440
acre lot minimum is my understand.

2163
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:08,880
>> Correct. Right. But in and then in

2164
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,400
general it's it's um one horse per

2165
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,960
excuse me two per acre uh incremental

2166
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,960
beyond that as well.

2167
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,679
Yes, there there there's a requirement

2168
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:24,719
of to have one acre lot size to have

2169
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:27,199
horses and and then the exceptions don't

2170
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,080
have the

2171
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,600
>> correct. So that therefore there's a

2172
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,600
process for the exceptions what's being

2173
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:32,880
uh reviewed tonight.

2174
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,120
>> Yeah. So so I'll talk about the the

2175
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,440
findings first off. I agree from the uh

2176
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:40,159
the narrowness of these findings. I I

2177
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:42,560
don't see well I say stated in the

2178
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,199
affirmative I I can make these findings

2179
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,520
uh these these these make sense to me. I

2180
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:48,960
do think the point I'm going to

2181
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,880
reiterate some of the points that uh

2182
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,960
Commissioner Evans made with respect to

2183
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,679
like is it the right metrics? Um a 3acre

2184
01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:01,040
site on 40% grade probably going to be

2185
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,679
hard to have horses, right? Uh the Glen

2186
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,639
Craig site is is a whole another story.

2187
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:09,280
Um it was one of the two uh sort of

2188
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,040
tearown houses that that we looked at

2189
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,960
when we moved to Woodside. It was listed

2190
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,400
for more than ours and we were already

2191
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,400
stretching. So, we ended up with the

2192
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,080
other one. But, I mean, my wife was a

2193
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,199
horse person. We looked at it and we're

2194
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,040
like, "Wow, this this exists in the Bay

2195
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,719
Area." We were we were stunned, right,

2196
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,120
to to see that that even existed. Um,

2197
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,600
but also, you know, I think some of the

2198
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,440
things that you personally were struck

2199
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:31,440
at looking at the site, it had a two

2200
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,679
stall barn on it, right? That was

2201
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:36,560
already there. And so we've heard uh

2202
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,000
that there's not you know

2203
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,320
transferability which is a little bit

2204
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,320
weird uh in full transparency is maybe a

2205
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,880
read uh on on that visav other things

2206
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,520
that do transfer right uh setback

2207
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,159
exceptions for houses transfer uh right

2208
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,480
when you knock down a house you can uh

2209
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:56,880
encroach into the setback as much as

2210
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,199
what was already there. So it's a bit

2211
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,360
odd that in an equestrian community

2212
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,199
we've set a more restrictive standard

2213
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,719
for uh equestrian facilities/ quotas

2214
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:08,800
than than the others. I think you know

2215
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,440
in addition to you know how do we define

2216
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,440
an adequate facility I think it's worth

2217
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:15,280
considering

2218
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,520
what should the transferability be right

2219
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:20,639
and the fact that we're having folks uh

2220
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:22,480
reup permits even though there's no

2221
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:28,480
horse uh is sort of an interesting uh outcome

2222
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:30,080
right so we can just all sort of reflect

2223
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:30,480
on

2224
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:32,320
>> we have more rights for our garage

2225
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:32,800
>> I'm sorry

2226
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:34,239
>> we have more rights for our garage than

2227
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,159
a than a barn

2228
01:37:36,159 --> 01:37:36,800
>> right and

2229
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,400
>> footprint point of and and at the same

2230
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,400
time the general plan says things like

2231
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,480
uh that equestrian facilities should be

2232
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,679
sort of made visible right so so we have

2233
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,840
this sort of inconsistency in I think

2234
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,440
the the general plan intent and then

2235
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:52,320
maybe this particular uh issue of

2236
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:53,760
permits and transferability and

2237
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,360
exceptions um when we issue an exception

2238
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,119
generally uh a a homeowner will proceed

2239
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:03,520
to con if there's construction involved

2240
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,159
right in this case

2241
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:07,760
let's assume this barn were being built,

2242
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,600
you know, based on this rather than

2243
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:13,920
being a pre-existing uh barn.

2244
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,040
One would hope that that's not something

2245
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,159
that's getting torn down when you sell

2246
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,480
it, right? Why are we subjecting the

2247
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:19,840
next owner to going through the same

2248
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,320
bureaucratic process and relitigating

2249
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,000
exceptions that were already decided? It

2250
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,000
seems like uh both a waste of the

2251
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,480
planning commission's time uh and

2252
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,800
livestock's time as well as uh just an

2253
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,800
undue burden. And I agree, like we had

2254
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,320
no idea about horse permits. I mean, I

2255
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,080
lived here for 10 years and we didn't we

2256
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,760
lived in a in a in a place in the Glenns

2257
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,719
that couldn't have horses. We moved to

2258
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:41,119
Ray Mundo and I think my wife joined the

2259
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:42,560
trails committee and heard about

2260
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,440
permits. We had no idea. So, uh it's not

2261
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,760
wellnown. Um you know, our our property

2262
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,440
didn't have horses on it for years and years. And you know, if it did

2263
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:52,719
come, we would have forwarded on the

2264
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:54,080
note because it would have had the the

2265
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,639
previous uh deceased owner's name on it.

2266
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:58,560
And so it's a little bit of a a

2267
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,760
long-winded um maybe set of commentary,

2268
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,440
but I do think it's also, you know,

2269
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,080
really encouraging to see how much folks

2270
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,679
really care about this. And it really

2271
01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:08,880
is, you know, the more time you spend in

2272
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,040
Woodside, it's it's a unique community.

2273
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,480
People who come here don't know that it

2274
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:16,800
exists. And and I think that's that's great. Um

2275
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,360
you know, Darren, on your points on

2276
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,679
should we re is it worth considering

2277
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:23,440
revisiting, right?

2278
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:28,159
um you know, how is the next generation

2279
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:29,840
getting on board, right? It's going to

2280
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,600
be through also maybe not the most

2281
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,320
expensive houses in town. I think Glen

2282
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,400
Craig's a good example of that, right?

2283
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,239
This is a site that was, you know,

2284
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,880
needed some some some elbow grease. Uh

2285
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,520
had some facilities on it and uh this is

2286
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,040
an example of seeing kind of the next

2287
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,199
generation grow up. So, you know, if

2288
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:50,239
it's only the the the the 3 4 5 acre

2289
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:53,040
estates that are

2290
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,280
out of the range of price of many folks

2291
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,560
who are who are kind of moving to town

2292
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,719
with kids, uh then, you know, we should

2293
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:01,280
think about what that means. Anyway, um

2294
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,679
but bring it back to the the narrow

2295
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:05,360
piece, I can certainly make all all

2296
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,000
three findings. So, it seemed like we

2297
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,159
had a little bit of unonymity on that.

2298
01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:11,600
Do does anyone have any additional

2299
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,880
comments or would we like to make a

2300
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,199
motion? I I just think it's such a small

2301
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:16,560
question we're being asked and it's

2302
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,880
outside of the macro question that it's

2303
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:19,920
actually the question.

2304
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:21,679
>> Yep.

2305
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:22,880
>> Okay.

2306
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,719
>> I guess I I move to uh what am I what am

2307
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,320
I asking to move?

2308
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,360
>> Uh if you agree with the um

2309
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:32,960
recommendation of the resolution, you

2310
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,280
can move to adopt the resolution which

2311
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,239
would deny the appeal and uphold the

2312
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:40,400
plan director's decision for the stable

2313
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,040
exception. And as noted earlier, we

2314
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,199
would strike those last two findings as

2315
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:47,440
they're not necessary. [snorts]

2316
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:50,480
>> Um then I would move to uh accept the

2317
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,239
three findings that we've been asked to

2318
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,960
review. Um but as a as an aside, I would

2319
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,040
actually hope that the folks in the

2320
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:58,639
livestock committee would maybe rethink

2321
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:01,679
these the acre rule and maybe make it

2322
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:07,350
focused on what a horse needs.

2323
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,520
Would second it.

2324
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,709
I'll second it.

2325
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:13,520
Chair Gar.

2326
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:14,080
>> Yes.

2327
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,360
>> Commissioner Evans.

2328
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:15,760
>> Yes.

2329
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:16,960
>> Commissioner Gonerko.

2330
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:17,360
>> Yes.

2331
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:18,320
>> Commissioner Weaver.

2332
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:22,390
>> Yes.

2333
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,199
» Great. So, the uh decision passes. There

2334
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:28,800
is a 10-day appeal period. Um and so if

2335
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,239
anyone has questions, please see the

2336
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:32,400
plan department about filing an appeal.

2337
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,159
Um if there is an appeal filed, it would

2338
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:36,320
be reviewed by the town council. All

2339
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:37,840
right.

2340
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,000
>> Thank you. Uh and thanks folks for uh

2341
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,159
for spending your time with us and Sage

2342
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:46,000
are there any other uh

2343
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,719
that are

2344
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:50,239
yes

2345
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,400
any uh other reports or

2346
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,960
>> have you received the June director's

2347
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,280
report um as you seen the number of

2348
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,280
permits issued we continue to remain

2349
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,040
busy

2350
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,280
um and then as we've kind of highlighted

2351
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,760
more so the last month is looking at our

2352
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,800
housing numbers and so for the month of

2353
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:13,840
June, um the uh town issued two more

2354
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,440
permits for ADUs in town. So, we're up

2355
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:20,719
to about 17 ADUs this year so far, about

2356
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:23,040
halfway through the through the year.

2357
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:30,229
Um,

2358
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,159
» excuse me, folks. We're we're just we're

2359
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:33,600
continuing here if you don't mind taking

2360
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,440
the conversations outside. Um are we

2361
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:38,320
going to that seems like it's relatively

2362
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,560
low. Are we We're not on track at all,

2363
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:40,960
are we?

2364
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,920
>> In terms of 17 in general number of

2365
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:44,400
units.

2366
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:47,280
>> Um so uh yeah, in general number of

2367
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,480
units, you know, what we have through um

2368
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:52,880
June 2026, we've noted that there's been

2369
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,280
898s and 36 new single family

2370
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,960
residences. Uh so we are

2371
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:01,360
>> 30 36 new single family residences.

2372
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,719
>> Uh 36. Yes. So this is uh where we are

2373
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:08,480
through cycle 6 that ends in 2031. So

2374
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:09,760
we're starting to get about halfway

2375
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,840
through the cycle. Um we're probably a

2376
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:13,199
little bit less than half of the number

2377
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,560
of units uh that are necessary. Uh but

2378
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,639
also with units it's important to look

2379
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:22,639
at the um the types of units and we have

2380
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:24,560
to have varied units. We have multif

2381
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,520
family housing uh that is hoping to move

2382
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,000
forward. um they're still looking at

2383
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,400
issues with sewer capacity and how to

2384
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,320
what may be necessary to upgrade any

2385
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:38,400
infrastructure. Um so you know often

2386
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,080
people will suggest you know maybe

2387
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,480
cities are very far behind. Um in some

2388
01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,000
cases actually I think we're on

2389
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,159
relatively good

2390
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:49,920
uh track. Um and I always note that

2391
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,239
while I think in the front end of the

2392
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:55,840
housing element cycle it's likely to see

2393
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,480
fewer units than at the back end meaning

2394
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,159
the housing element has all these

2395
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:02,320
different programs and elements uh

2396
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,080
strategies to implement. And so as these

2397
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,400
different strategies get implemented um

2398
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,000
you'll might see start to pick up the

2399
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,440
pace the number of units towards the end

2400
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:12,639
of the cycle.

2401
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:15,840
>> Has there ever been an analysis done on

2402
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,159
what is the possible ADU footprint

2403
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:19,679
that's that's available in the town

2404
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:21,440
because everyone that gets done and we

2405
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:23,199
sort of lo lose runway for

2406
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,199
>> Yeah. No, it's a good question. Um it's

2407
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:28,400
a bit difficult to know just um because

2408
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,480
historically I mean there's ADUs on

2409
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,719
properties that already exist and that

2410
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:34,320
necessarily weren't tallied up in any

2411
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,440
way many years ago. Uh we have the town

2412
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,199
has increased the number of ADUs that

2413
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:41,920
are allowed on properties. Uh so for

2414
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:43,280
properties that are vacant, it's pretty

2415
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:44,719
easy to tell how much they're allowed as

2416
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,960
well as state law has changed um to

2417
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,400
really increase the number of ADUs

2418
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:49,600
allowed on property in different

2419
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:56,880
circumstances. Um so so yeah you know at 17 is uh just for this year I would

2420
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,320
say is is pretty good. Um they had we

2421
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,880
had a a target in the housing element of

2422
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:06,560
15 ADUs per year. Um and so we've

2423
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,440
already exceeded that. Um most all of

2424
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:12,080
the years we've went over 20 usually

2425
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,280
between like 20 and 25 units. Um, so if

2426
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,360
we keep up this pace, we do know that

2427
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:19,040
there's a number of plan checks that are

2428
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,080
getting closer to issuance. Um, so we're

2429
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,440
in pretty good pace in terms of the

2430
01:45:23,440 --> 01:45:26,159
number of ADUs this year. Say some

2431
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:27,600
follow-up questions. Um, there were some

2432
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,760
very extensive public records requests

2433
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,960
uh that were made by uh the previous um

2434
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,199
town manager as well as local reporters,

2435
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:36,639
etc. Thousands of documents. I've had

2436
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:39,760
some time to spend time with them and it

2437
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,119
seems we're not making very fast

2438
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:44,320
progress on the multif family sites and

2439
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,040
there were quite a few uh items of

2440
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,280
correspondence in there uh where it

2441
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,080
appeared the town council is not uh

2442
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:53,440
allowing these things to proceed to

2443
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,679
agenda. uh are we at risk with HCD if we

2444
01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:00,800
don't make adequate process and do we

2445
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,360
need to take steps to be more compliant

2446
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,040
with our housing element and are we at

2447
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,040
risk based on the agenda setting of the

2448
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,520
town council of becoming non-compliant?

2449
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,760
Um I'm not aware of any of that being

2450
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,360
set by the town council. What I'll say

2451
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,000
at the staff level um it's continuing to

2452
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,080
be pursued. Again, one of the biggest

2453
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:22,159
issues is access to sewer. Um and so the

2454
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:26,080
town has recently completed kind of a

2455
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:29,520
capacity study. Um and now the the

2456
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,000
consultants are going forward to

2457
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,480
complete the full master sewer plan. And

2458
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:36,400
part of that is to look at what

2459
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,520
solutions are necessary um to make sure

2460
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,840
that you can kind of access all of the

2461
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,000
capac contractual capacity that Woodside

2462
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,760
has allowed under the town center

2463
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:48,080
assessment district. Um, so that's a big

2464
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,880
piece and that's hoping to wrap up, you

2465
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,360
know, by the end of summer, early fall

2466
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,040
and we'll have better understanding of

2467
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,719
maybe potential costs for any sewer

2468
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,560
upgrades that are necessary. So that's

2469
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,159
one of the steps that is being pursued

2470
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,920
and it's a it's a big first step that

2471
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:02,560
needs to take place.

2472
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:03,760
>> Thank you. Do you have high confidence

2473
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,360
that when that's completed, the mayor

2474
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:06,560
will put that on the agenda in a

2475
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:07,600
reasonable amount of time?

2476
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,880
>> I can speak to that. If if you're

2477
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,920
finding any uh any issues with those um

2478
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,520
getting agendas, you can please inform

2479
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:16,560
the planning commission. We would

2480
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:17,440
appreciate it.

2481
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:19,040
>> Sure. All of that goes to the town

2482
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:20,480
manager's office in terms of what goes

2483
01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:21,760
onto the that

2484
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:23,840
>> are the results of the sewage study in

2485
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,080
the public domain right now if it's

2486
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:26,719
complete.

2487
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:29,440
>> The the initial pieces for the what they

2488
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:31,679
looked at as the contractual capacity

2489
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:34,400
and the hydraulic capacity uh for the

2490
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:37,199
town center area. I'm sorry, two things

2491
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:38,880
confused for the town center assessment

2492
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:42,400
district. Um, and so that is a public.

2493
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,280
Um, and yeah, if you guys want copies,

2494
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:47,040
we can get you guys copies of that. And

2495
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,000
that it's it's that's kind of the uh a

2496
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,840
piece of what the overall master sewer

2497
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:53,679
plan is.

2498
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,199
>> What steps are required to put it out

2499
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,119
for bid uh following the completion of

2500
01:47:57,119 --> 01:47:57,840
that study

2501
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,480
>> in terms of for the in

2502
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:03,040
>> uh or or for no, I'm sorry, for housing

2503
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,000
developers.

2504
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,560
>> Oh, um I'm I'm still researching that.

2505
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,920
the town attorney's office um has a

2506
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,480
legal firm looking at um what's

2507
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,560
necessary. So there's what is called the

2508
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:17,440
surplus lands act. And so that's another

2509
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:18,800
step that needs to be done in

2510
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,880
conjunction once you understand what

2511
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:25,280
your sewer needs are. And so that

2512
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,000
my limited understanding is is uh that

2513
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:32,400
will help identify what's necessary. And

2514
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,159
then there's something that's called a

2515
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:36,960
notice availability and it's sent out to

2516
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,239
various types of uh housing developers,

2517
01:48:40,239 --> 01:48:43,920
affordable housing developers. Um and

2518
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,600
>> further steps would necessar be

2519
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,440
necessary to kind of get in contract and

2520
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:49,440
>> could could we see maybe a timeline of

2521
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,719
what a sort of you know let's say speed

2522
01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:54,560
of light workback schedule would look

2523
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,320
like to get one of these out to bids in

2524
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,400
terms of which things need to happen

2525
01:48:58,400 --> 01:48:59,199
assuming that

2526
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:01,440
>> check with the town manager's office. Is

2527
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:02,560
that something we could see in the

2528
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:02,880
future?

2529
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:04,159
>> I can check with the town manager's

2530
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:05,600
office. They set those agendas.

2531
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:10,070
>> Thank you. We appreciate it.

2532
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,280
» Um, and then with that, I just wanted to

2533
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,760
um thank Commissioner Gerko very much.

2534
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,320
This is his last meeting. Um, and so

2535
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,840
it's been a real pleasure to serve with

2536
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,239
you. And so

2537
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:24,719
>> I have a question. So I'm staying on

2538
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:26,480
until we get a replacement. So

2539
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,800
>> Well, I appreciate that. So um, if you

2540
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:30,960
will, that's great. And we have one

2541
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,520
application uh that has been submitted.

2542
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,119
Um so we know there's at least one

2543
01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:38,239
applicant and we're hoping uh there may

2544
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:39,520
have been some other interest as well.

2545
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,040
So we might receive more applications.

2546
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:42,400
>> Good.

2547
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,880
>> Just a reminder there's a recess in

2548
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:48,560
August so the timing may work out that.

2549
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,159
>> Yeah.

2550
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:51,760
So we

2551
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,239
>> so if this doesn't come your last me we

2552
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:55,280
do want to thank you very much for

2553
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:58,080
everything you've done.

2554
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,159
>> Thank you.

2555
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:05,430
Um, I don't have any further reports.

2556
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:07,040
All right, we'll go ahead and Thank you,

2557
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:09,840
folks.