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RB for Monday, July 27th at 4:36

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p.m.

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Um, we don't quite know what's happening

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with our our setup here with this.

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Normally would be projecting the camera

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in the room, but um not quite sure it's

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but we've verified that screen sharing

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works, so we're going to proceed with

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the

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Can I have roll call, please?

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>> Chair Lindsay,

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>> yes.

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>> Vice Chair Comra,

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>> member Delgavio,

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>> yes.

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>> Member Sullivan,

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>> present.

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>> And member Middleman is noted absent.

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>> You just a reminder for anyone attending

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in the room that uh there is a signup

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sheet and if before you leave tonight,

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if you could fill that out, uh we'd

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appreciate it just to have a record of

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attendance.

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Um any changes to the agenda tonight?

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>> There are no changes to the agenda.

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However, you do have multiple desk

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items. Um you have one desk item from um

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member Middleman. Uh just indicating

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that uh he'll have to miss some upcoming

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hearings and that um he's just asking in

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case someone want to consider him for

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vice chair to not he would not be able

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to serve as vice chair. Um the other

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items are related to uh project items

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number three, four and five and those

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will be addressed with the

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presentations. Okay. Thank you.

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Um at this point I'm just invite anyone

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in the room or online who wishes to make

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a statement or comment on anything not

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on tonight's agenda. You're welcome to

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do so. Now for those online just raise

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your hand and Julie will unmute unmute

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you.

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Hard to say unmute you.

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>> We have no raised hands.

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>> I see no one in the room. Um

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consent agenda. Was there anything in

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the consent agenda tonight? There was

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one item.

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>> Yes, there's um the minutes for June

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15th. Anyone on the board have comment

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they wish to

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provide on those minutes. Otherwise, uh

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we'll just entertain a motion to approve

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them.

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» I did not make a motion. [laughter]

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>> I make the motion to approve.

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>> I would second that.

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>> Chair Lindseay.

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>> Yes.

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>> Vice Chair Comra.

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>> Member Delgavio.

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>> Yes.

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>> Member Sullivan.

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>> Yes. [snorts]

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Okay, with that we move on to the uh

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public hearing and the first item

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tonight is 445 Whiskey Hill Road.

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Sarah, I think it's you're up tonight.

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>> Yes, thank you. Let me pull up the

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plans.

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» Okay. Um, great. Thank you. And I will

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be introducing the project at

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>> Sorry. I'm sorry. Just before this item,

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we have to do the nomination of

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>> Oh, yes. I jumped over that one. All

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right. Sorry for that.

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>> Um the item specifically is the

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nomination for the role of vice chair.

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Uh in town council meeting in May, I

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believe it was. Um town council approved

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a resolution on the consent agenda to

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a period by two years which the current

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chair and vice chair could serve.

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Um given that I'd like to nominate the

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Christine Karma as to serve as vice

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um for the remainder of your current

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>> I would second that. If you didn't make

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>> Chair Lindsay.

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>> Vice Chair Comra.

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>> member Delgavio.

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>> And member Sullivan.

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>> Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Sorry. Got that out of the way.

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Um, moving back to the first item, 445

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Whiskey Hill Road and Sarah's

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presentation.

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So, I will be introducing the project at

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445 Whiskey Hill Road. The project

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includes the construction of a new

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fitness accessory structure, a detached

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accessory dwelling unit, an office

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accessory structure, as well as a lap

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pool and associated site improvements.

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The project is approximately 4 acres and

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it's in the RR zoning district. It's

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located on Whiskey Hill Road, which is a

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locally designated scenic road.

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Uh the site is currently developed with

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a single family main residence as well

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as a detached garage and a swimming

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pool. All of which are proposed to

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remain on site.

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southern portion of the property or like

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the rear of the property. So it's kind

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of in this general location.

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So [sighs] this I'll zoom in a little

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bit. This first structure is a um office

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structure. And then this one is an ADU.

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this um

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here adjacent to these new structures.

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same architectural style and form. Um,

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they'll all be less than 17 ft in

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height, which is the maximum allowed for

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accessory structures. The materials

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include wood sophet roofing and stucco

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and the shades in shades of brown and

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story pools if you had a chance to go

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and take a look at them. Um, and the

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applicant is here as well for any

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additional comments. But that concludes

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my introduction and I'm happy to answer

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>> Thank you. Does anyone member of the

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board have questions of staff?

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>> Is that the color board down there?

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table there is the material board. Both

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of those boards are for this project.

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» Just had one question about the proposed

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pay.

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Is that flexible?

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it's a concept plan. So they are

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removing some of the existing paved area

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and kind of reworking it. So they are

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reducing the amount that's that exists

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Wow. Great. Um, with that, we'll move

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um the applicant's presentation if the

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applicant wishes to present.

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» Thank you, chair. I'm Eric Lungquist,

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land use planning and permitting

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consultant. Good to see you board. Thank

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you for your consideration of this

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conceptual review item. Thank you staff

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for the presentation. Just a little bit

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of administrative protocol. I was

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formerly with Brody Group, now with Lone

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Cypress Consulting. So you probably saw

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a letter from them, but now under Lone

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Cypress Consulting. As you can see from

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the information presented to you

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tonight, we took this a little bit uh

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further than what would normally be

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required for the concept review. We're

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hoping ultimately the board directs

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staff to consider administratively the

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final design review so we can move

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forward with construction more

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expeditiously. We do believe that the

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application meets all of the specific

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code criteria as well as the policies

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for the town of Woodside related to the

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residential design standards. I have a

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elaborate design team behind me. Um, so

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available for um, any answers to any of

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the questions you may have. Jim Toby's

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here in the room with Lean Braze. We

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have individuals from Northworks, the

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architectural firm, and Hersh, the

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landscape architectural firm, is also

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here for any questions. So, I'll keep it

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pretty simple. Um, but again, we do ask

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for your consideration and direction to

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staff for consideration of the final

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design review board. And again, thank

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you for your time. Appreciate it. Any

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member of the board have questions of

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» Oh yeah, I just have a question on

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neighbor outreach. Have you talked to

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the neighbors, showed them the plans?

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Stamford's Equestrian Center surrounds

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most of the parcel and then um there's

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parcels uh nearby. So, we have spoken to

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the others that aren't associated with

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these new structures depart somewhat

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style and architecture

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um from the existing home. I'm just

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wondering if you could speak to a little

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>> Sure. I can briefly and I believe Molly

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that can speak to the architectural, but

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we did we did study it. You you have the

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colors and materials boards here in

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front of you. What we're taking into

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account from the existing home and

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garage is the um the context of the the

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buildings, the stucco and the metal seam

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roof is drawing from the existing

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architecture. And then you know albeit

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there's slightly different vernacular

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and form we're drawing the two together

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by those features with landscaping and

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all of the landscaping hardscape. Um

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there is separation between the

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buildings um quite a bit actually that

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create further detraction from from the

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architectural compatibility. Um but I

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believe Molly is on the line to further

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explain the study that's been done with

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related to the architecture.

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>> So I'll let her speak. Molly's just been

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jumping on in just a moment.

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» Molly, is there anything you'd like to

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add to what Eric has shared?

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>> Yes, just to echo what he said, uh the

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thought was to match the material. So

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even though the aesthetic might be

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differing slightly, overall we're

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feeling like it blends in well with the

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existing conditions. and then really

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melding that with the landscape as you

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sort of go down that site. The new

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buildings are about 11 ft in grade lower

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than the the main house there and then

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two additional feet lower as you

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continue down that site. So, we're

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really trying to keep a low profile

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there but yet, you know, match the same

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color as the Stuckco um as above. And

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again, it's about 200 ft away. So, um we

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felt like it was almost like a nice

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natur um you know element in nature and

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really trying to keep that within like

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the tree and the landscape

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>> and have you considered the stain grade

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wood plank in this area with the fire

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danger and that sort of thing and think

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it's the best case scenario to use that

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product?

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>> Yes, we we're we are suggesting uh um a

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product that would meet all the

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standards

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So on the materials board we have here

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in the room there's uh

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flagable flag stone where exactly is

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that applied?

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>> What what's the material?

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>> It is the

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» it's the upper right hand corner of the

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board. Yeah,

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» there's no signal on our end.

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>> I I mistook. It's paving stones, not

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flag.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um, any other questions from the board?

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>> Back to my original question about the

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proposed heating area. Um, are you

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flexible with reducing that guidelines?

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I realize you've reduced it from what

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was there existed, but it's still above

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what's allowed.

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>> Hi, Jim Toby Lean. I can address that.

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So, um, we actually worked closely with

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staff to find out what was the original

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pavement that's out there. Um, as you

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know, the town allows basically a

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grandfathering in of materials that are

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over the allowable limit as long as

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we're taking a 25% reduction in that

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allowable number. So, that number we

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worked closely with staff, figured out

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what we're going to count, not count,

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and that's how we ended up what we have.

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So, as far as we're concerned at the

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moment, and we'll obviously confirm that

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with staff and planning, but we feel

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like we're at that number that we that

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is allowable by staff.

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Cool.

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Um Jim, sorry while you're standing, um

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given the elevation of the proposed

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leech field, [clears throat] these new

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structures, you anticipate any

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challenges?

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>> We may have to do a little pumping, but

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that's allowed. We have a we have a

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brand new system going in the lawn area.

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So that's that's we've already thought

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that all the way through. We've actually

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gotten the plans, a preliminary stuff

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plan, so we should be just fine there.

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>> Okay, cool.

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Um yeah, I have no further questions.

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>> Or do I?

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>> Wow. Wow.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Wow.

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>> We studied this still in question.

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>> Um yeah, just so just to add to that for

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Sage's benefit, I mean I think you know

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with regards to the proposed material

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pallet not escape just open up for

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public if anyone else wants to speak.

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>> Oopsie.

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>> You know I'm rusty. Huh?

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>> We haven't had a meeting.

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Um yes. So wrapping up board to board

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questions. So we open this point we open

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up to uh the public for anyone who

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wishes to comment on this project.

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» For those online, please use a raise

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hand feature if you'd like to make a

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comment.

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» And there are no raised hands.

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>> Raised hands. And I see no one in the

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room standing up. So, thank you, Sage,

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for that reminder. Um, but I'll just

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I'll add a few more notes. I think, and

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I'm speaking on behalf of the board

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here, I think as it pertains to the

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materials pallet, I mean, we see

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um complete compliance with the

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residential guidelines, I think

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structures overall modest in scale. Um

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yeah, I think that's um I don't I don't

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see any issues as it pertains to the

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residential guidelines for this project.

378
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Um we appreciate story polls were

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erected. That certainly helps us um

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better understand the relationship of

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the structures to the site. Always a help.

382
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Are there any comments? If not, um

383
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didn't hear any recommendations. Uh so

384
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just to summarize that, um it was noted

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that the materials uh the selected

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materials are consistent with the

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residential design guidelines and that

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the proposed structures are modest in

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scale. Um and I did not hear any

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recommendations for revisions. Uh so

391
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with that um if there's a motion and

392
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then you can determine if uh because

393
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story polls have been installed it

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should come back to ASRB or should

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formal design review be completed with

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staff. I'll just take a poll of the

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board with regards to moving directly to

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staff.

399
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>> Yeah,

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>> lots of nods.

401
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>> Yeah, I think

402
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>> so. Yes, the motion is to move to

403
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formal. Is there a second to staff?

404
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to second the motion.

405
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>> Chair Lindseay,

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>> yes.

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>> Vice Chair Comra,

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>> member Delgavio,

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>> yes.

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>> Member Sullivan,

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>> yes.

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Good. Thank you.

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That was efficient.

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Did you want to wrap that up, Sage, with

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a comment about letter?

416
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>> Oh, yeah. just uh the uh uh letter will

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go out within the next day or two for

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all those that participated in the

419
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project. Um this decision is not

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appealable as it still has to complete

421
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the process with a formal design review.

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>> Good. Right. Moving on to the next

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items.

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Uh that would be item

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three, 192 Prospect Street.

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Jillian is presenting.

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» Hi [clears throat] everyone. I hope

428
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you're all having a wonderful start to

429
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your week. Um, this presentation is

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going to include a brief overview of the

431
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conceptual design review proposal uh to

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complete a remodel and addition with a

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basement to the existing main residence

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located at 192 Prospect Street, a

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renovation of the existing pool uh and

436
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associated site improvements. Please do

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note that the future formal design

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review application is also going to

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include a proposal to reszone this

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parcel from its existing RR rural

441
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residential zoning to residential R1

442
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zoning. We have received three desk

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items in conjunction with this proposal.

444
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uh all our letters of support from

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neighbors and uh associated community

446
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members who have expressed uh that they

447
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very much appreciate this design uh as

448
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it's been presented here today.

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Uh as a brief overview, the subject

450
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property is about49 acres total and it's

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located at the intersection of Prospect

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Street and Albon Avenue. So it is within

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the boundaries of a scenic corridor. The

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site is currently developed uh with an

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existing main residence which has met

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the criteria for classification as a

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historic resource under the California

458
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Register of Historic Places, the

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National Register for Historic Places,

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and the Woodside General Plan. In

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addition to the historic main residence,

462
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the site does contain a number of

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accessory uses and structures, including

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a pool house, a workshop, a pool, and an

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inrogress accessory dwelling unit.

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Please note that none of the other

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accessory uses on property do meet the

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historic resource designation. So only

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the house is classified as a historic

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resource at this time.

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>> Okay. Can you give us a quick uh

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briefing on the difference in the zoning

473
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and what the zoning?

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>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so rural

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residential properties uh typically have

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a 3 acre minimum in conjunction with

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their development. Um as we can see here

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this property is considered uh under

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size relative to those standards. Um and

480
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if you look in a little bit more detail

481
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on this slide um you can see uh the

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setbacks delineated typically associated

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with RR are shown in red here. Um and as

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evident by this diagramming there's

485
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actually no legal building parcel on

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this property. The setbacks make it so

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that no structure can actually legally

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comply with the setbacks given the

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existing zoning relative to the

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dimensions of this property and the lot

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size. Um there's some small variations

492
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to between the amount of developable

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total floor area, paved area, things of

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that nature in conjunction between these

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two parcels. that um the size of this

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parcel would typically be more akin to

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the R1 um property designation that

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they're seeking in the resoning process.

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>> So as we review it, you look at it

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through the eyes of the revised zoning

501
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to really look for compliance.

502
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>> Yeah. So typically the reasonzoning

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efforts are um you know they're a

504
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modification to the um town's zoning map

505
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which would be completed via the town

506
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council and the planning commission. Um

507
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so you guys don't necessarily need to

508
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weigh in on the reszoning. We're just

509
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kind of priming you to the fact that

510
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this thing looks wacky and out of

511
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compliance because they're seeking this

512
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extra step um that would be ruled on at

513
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the council phase. Um, so really the the

514
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bulk of what you guys would be focusing

515
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on today is the alignment of the design

516
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with the residential design guidelines.

517
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Um, just so that they don't get super

518
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far into the process and find that the

519
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house maybe was a concern all along and

520
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now they've taken a lot of time for

521
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something that you guys wouldn't have

522
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enjoyed in the first place. So, um,

523
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that'll be really the focus today of

524
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what we're looking at is the design of

525
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the home. And I just want to add that um

526
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it's important to understand its

527
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relationship to surrounding zoning. And

528
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so on the north side of Prospect Street

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in which this uh property is is a RR

530
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zoning district. And once you go further

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north, there's much larger properties

532
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that meet the 3acre minimum lot size.

533
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But if you look across the street to the

534
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south um on Prospect Street, uh those

535
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are much smaller properties that are

536
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similar in size and shape to this

537
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property and those are in an R1

538
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district. So it's just kind of expanding

539
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the district boundaries to include that

540
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parcel.

541
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>> Yeah. So Sage mentioned if you look

542
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these parcels um you can see are

543
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relatively can in size um and those are

544
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all R1 zoned whereas this side of the

545
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street is is R are currently

546
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[clears throat]

547
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um

548
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>> sorry just close on that. So

549
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historically uh nearby examples where

550
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the zoning change was successful similar

551
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request. Oh. Um,

552
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>> yeah. I there's different we we've I

553
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,400
recall one property and then uh on

554
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,200
Greenways and so when you go like

555
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600
halfway up Greenway Street from Alama

556
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,559
delas Pulgus, it's R1 zoning and the

557
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,559
properties about halfway up the street

558
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,200
got larger into 1acre parcels and they

559
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,000
were zoned to SR. One of the property

560
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,240
owners was right on that border and they

561
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,840
were in the SR district had a larger

562
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,840
lot. They proposed to split those lots

563
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,799
um but they had to reszone it to R1 to

564
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:28,559
do so. So they proposed the from the SR

565
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,600
proposed the R1 did the land division

566
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,840
and because it now met the minimum lot

567
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,679
size for R1 was able to build two houses

568
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:37,200
on that lot. That's one example. We

569
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,039
don't get a lot of these but um it's

570
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,360
kind of you know if this was in the

571
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,280
middle of a large zoning district it's

572
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,960
something

573
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,640
people call it spot zoning. not the the

574
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,880
right definition of spot zoning, but um

575
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,240
you want to be careful of doing that. In

576
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,919
this case, it does relate to the zoning

577
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:55,280
across the street.

578
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,880
>> Thank you. All right.

579
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,960
>> All right. Um so, just a quick a quick

580
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,360
overview of what's being proposed at

581
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,520
this time for you guys to look at. Um,

582
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,080
the applicant has proposed construction

583
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,559
of a new addition to the main residence

584
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,440
consisting two wings on the north facade

585
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,000
of the structure as you can see here in

586
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,320
yellow. Um, one of [clears throat] which

587
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,640
contains a basement. This lower one on

588
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,039
this uh sheet is where that basement is

589
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:25,760
proposed at this time. The applicant has

590
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,640
also proposed a complete demolition and

591
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,840
rebuild of this front porch here. Um the

592
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,279
front porch was actually a later

593
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,120
addition that's not a part of the

594
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,919
historic home. Um so demolition of that

595
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:39,600
portion wouldn't constitute destruction

596
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,679
of a historic resource because that in

597
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:43,600
of itself was not part of the historic

598
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,240
resource. Um

599
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,480
and they're also looking to do a slight

600
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,559
remodel of this pool. You can kind of

601
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,120
see that delineation between the uh

602
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,600
existing and proposed slight addition to

603
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720
size but almost identical in footprint.

604
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,400
So minimal change to the land

605
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,039
disturbance there. Uh as mentioned,

606
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,200
there's going to be that proposal for RR

607
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,919
to R1 zoning which will shift our

608
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:10,400
standards for allowable TFA and paved

609
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,559
area a little bit if that does proceed.

610
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:18,559
Um just one brief thing to note as well.

611
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,360
Um, as you can see here, there is going

612
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,559
to be a need to seek some variances as,

613
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,000
uh, you know, we're working on an

614
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,600
existing building envelope and doing

615
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,679
some additions there. And even with the

616
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:31,279
reasonzoning, this house is going to

617
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,120
struggle to comply with the setbacks,

618
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,039
but it's further constrained by the fact

619
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,039
that it's a historic resource. So, we're

620
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,640
kind of working with what we've got

621
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,880
here. And um they're looking for some

622
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,799
variances to setbacks as well as to um

623
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,919
height in the front for that addition um

624
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:49,840
to work um through the constraints we

625
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,520
have from the historic resource.

626
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Um the proposed main residence remodel

627
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,360
clearly distinguishes the existing

628
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,120
historic home which is characterized by

629
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,799
hip roofs and air appropriate colors,

630
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,240
materials and forms from the main

631
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,000
residence edition which are

632
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,679
characterized by gable roofs, darker

633
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:09,200
colors and distinct modern materials

634
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,279
such as corrugated roofing and aluminum

635
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,760
windows. Uh you can see between these

636
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,279
slides that the historic home um is

637
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,600
shown in these um white uh vertical

638
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,799
sidings and the additions are clearly

639
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:26,880
distinguished in darker colors with

640
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,200
these variable forms. Um this is

641
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,279
informed stylistically

642
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,360
um by both the Woodside residential

643
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,440
design guidelines and the state's

644
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,440
standards for the secretary of the

645
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,880
interior standards for the treatment of

646
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,880
historic properties and their standards

647
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,720
for rehabilitation of historic

648
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,120
buildings. There are clauses about

649
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,840
making them aesthetically divergent that

650
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,559
it's clear that you uh know which parts

651
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:54,159
are historic versus modern. um they did

652
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:56,320
do the extra mile work of engaging the

653
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720
town historian at this conceptual design

654
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,600
phase. Our contracted historian does uh

655
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
believe that their design is in general

656
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,200
compliance with the secretary of the

657
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,120
interior standards relative to those

658
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,039
rehabilitation efforts for historic

659
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,149
resources.

660
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,480
Um here's our digital material board

661
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720
that we have on file. is conceptual. So

662
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,080
they weren't required to submit

663
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
physicals at the time. But you can see

664
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,760
their materials are generally in

665
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,360
alignment with the Woodside residential

666
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,919
design guidelines uh even operating

667
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:28,320
under the constraints of deviating from

668
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,720
the historic uh structure for the

669
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,799
additions and maintaining the existing

670
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,600
character of the historic home.

671
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,080
We do have members of the 192 Prospect

672
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400
team here in person. they uh are

673
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,679
available to give a presentation

674
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,600
shortly, but if you have any questions

675
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,360
for staff, more than happy to answer at

676
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:47,520
this time.

677
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,159
>> Thank you. Any member of the board have

678
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:54,230
questions of staff?

679
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399
Okay.

680
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:59,679
Um with that, we'll move to uh the

681
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:08,070
applicants presentation.

682
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,399
Good evening, folks. Uh my name is Lim

683
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,559
Finnegan. I'm here tonight uh with my

684
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,799
wife Sam and we're the residents and the

685
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,000
owner of 192 Prospect Street. Uh I

686
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,360
suppose we bought this property to give

687
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,559
you a little background in 2023 of a a

688
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,960
man by the name of Jim Milton. Uh and he

689
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,799
was the one that convinced us Woodside

690
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,960
was the place where we should move to.

691
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,600
We have two young kids uh she a boy Dara

692
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,039
and a a daughter Anaita. So, we were

693
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,679
looking for a a neighborhood or a a

694
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:39,279
location that where our kids could walk

695
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,360
to school, a rural community. We grew up

696
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,640
in rural in the west of Ireland, and we

697
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,399
were looking for that location where we

698
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:45,919
could build our forever home. We believe

699
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,240
we found this location. So, I guess

700
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,320
that's why we're here today, uh, to try

701
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,799
to move this project forward. Uh, it's

702
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,080
taken a while to get to this point.

703
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,760
We're probably two years into it,

704
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,399
working with our design team and our and

705
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:00,720
the historian, U Bonnie, as well on this

706
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,120
project. But uh I don't really have much

707
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,880
to else to say like or to add to it like

708
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,159
you know I appreciate all your effort

709
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,240
and all the hard work you guys do like

710
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,240
you know and uh with that I can pass you

711
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,799
over to our design team like Peter Mason

712
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:14,559
is here and Virginia and they can answer

713
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,120
any probably technical questions that

714
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,399
you have about the property or the

715
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,559
minutiae but so with that just thank you

716
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:20,960
guys.

717
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,520
>> Thank you.

718
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:31,830
>> Okay.

719
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,760
Good afternoon. You're going to get two

720
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,600
of us today because as you've seen from

721
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,760
your packet, this is a very complex

722
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,320
project and um so we're going to tag

723
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,840
team on it and then we're going to still

724
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600
tag team on the next project that's in

725
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,000
front of you which is also ours. So I'm

726
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,480
Virginia Dear and my husband Peter Mason

727
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,799
is the principal of Mason Architects. Um

728
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,039
I'm going to just frame this project a

729
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,960
little bit. Um I think some of you have

730
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,279
lived in town a long time just like us.

731
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,679
I've well Peter and I have been here 25

732
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:07,600
years and um in 2000 in about 2010 um I

733
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,919
served for two years on the general plan

734
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:13,919
task force and um which in fact came in

735
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,360
front of Peter when he was on the town

736
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,399
council and at that time uh two

737
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:24,240
very significant houses that qualified

738
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080
for the national historic register were

739
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,240
demolished in town and there was a lot

740
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,360
of conversation

741
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,919
about how we preserve Woodid's historic

742
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:39,679
resources and um that resulted in um

743
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:42,559
policies written into the land use

744
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,799
element of the general plan um the

745
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,840
housing element of the general plan um

746
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,840
the historic resource element of the

747
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,840
general plan and um they all supported

748
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,320
the sorry I'm reading my notes but it's

749
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,919
helpful to me but you know the

750
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,159
preservation rehabilitation and the

751
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,600
adaptive reuse uh of properties like

752
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,360
this and structures like this. And um

753
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,039
some of those policies have actually

754
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,039
disappeared from our new housing element

755
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:12,960
in the general plan mainly because I

756
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,039
think we're now so focused on um you

757
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:18,960
know the numbers that we have to create

758
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
in terms of our housing stock. Um, but I

759
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,159
think we can all agree that the fact

760
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:28,000
that the Finnegan bought this

761
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080
beautiful little house and they decided

762
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,679
they wanted to keep it and that it would

763
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:35,279
become the sort of um lynch pin of their

764
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,919
project. um is admirable because

765
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:41,840
actually what happened from there was um

766
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,399
that decision you know engendered a

767
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:49,440
multitude of challenges and um

768
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Liam referred to the two years that he

769
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,080
spent that we've all spent on this

770
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,399
project. Um [snorts] the last year in

771
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,440
particular has been very intense because

772
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,640
we started a design that looked

773
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440
different from this in fact and um

774
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,240
unfortunately we got we got shut down on

775
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080
it because it didn't provide enough

776
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,399
differentiation between the historic

777
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:17,440
resource and the rest of the project.

778
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,519
And at that point um we decided that

779
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,919
we'd take a different approach and that

780
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:28,640
the um that the new addition would now

781
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,279
become part of the sort of compound of

782
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,120
the rest of the property and would

783
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840
coordinate with those pieces and would

784
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,919
allow this historic resource at the

785
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:40,720
front of the property to shine. Um and

786
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,039
hopefully we've done that a little bit.

787
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,279
um [clears throat]

788
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,200
you you did read all about this probably

789
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
in the design narrative that we that we

790
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360
sent to you. So you know what what I'm

791
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,640
talking about. I'm really just sort of

792
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,840
touching on a few important items. And

793
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,320
um Jillian has has very described very

794
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,840
well this idea that you know we

795
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,600
discovered also that we needed to

796
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,279
reszone the property because not only

797
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,279
was there no building envelope, it would

798
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,799
actually be very very difficult. This

799
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,360
house is very small. Um it's 1,600

800
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,919
square ft. Um [clears throat]

801
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,919
now obviously

802
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:15,600
there are parts of the world where that

803
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,360
is really considered not at all small

804
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,679
but we have um

805
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:23,760
there are only two bedrooms currently

806
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,679
and um with a growing family that's

807
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:29,360
really not um you know very practical.

808
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,840
So there were um design objectives here

809
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,360
that uh excuse me

810
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,240
dusty that we needed to meet for the

811
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,840
family and for a modern lifestyle.

812
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Um [clears throat]

813
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,519
excuse me I am coughing.

814
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,640
I'm going to hand it over to Peter

815
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,240
because he can address the sort of

816
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,559
specific elements of the design uh that

817
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,039
you might have questions about. Um, and

818
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,120
I will just stay here and assist him in

819
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,590
that. So hopefully that was helpful.

820
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,200
» Uh, thank you very much for your

821
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,120
service. Really appreciate it. I was on

822
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,359
town council for 12 years and know

823
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,919
exactly what goes into both ASRB. I was

824
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,399
on ASRB for four and a half years. So I

825
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:15,839
know what goes into your job and I know

826
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:18,079
what goes into the to the town council's

827
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,720
job. Um, Shangri, you want to go with

828
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:23,679
the first one or Yuki?

829
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,079
So, this gives you an explanation a

830
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:28,639
little bit in terms of what and I forgot

831
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,399
my laser. Uh, as you can see, what what

832
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,320
Sage was trying to point out was that

833
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,359
the area across the street

834
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:40,960
um on the left hand side, left hand

835
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,200
side,

836
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,119
the ones on the So, that little that's

837
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,040
the same size as the lots across the

838
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,679
street. in it and having those

839
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,079
constraints to it just makes doing

840
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,520
anything with this house kind of

841
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,119
extremely difficult or impossible. Uh so

842
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,280
there's a bunch of little exceptions and

843
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,640
variances and that kind of stuff that

844
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,119
going to be part of the overall process.

845
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:07,119
Uh this is what we started off with. Um

846
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:08,960
on the left hand side was the existing

847
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,560
house. Um on the right hand that's the

848
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,880
existing house and then the right hand

849
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,119
side shows you you know how the overall

850
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,920
build buildout across the property is.

851
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960
So we've we started off by doing the as

852
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,800
by doing a ADU and just to point out

853
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,040
working through this process we we kept

854
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,200
Sage and the planning department updated

855
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,760
as what we were planning in the overall

856
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,359
so that they were you know everybody

857
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,839
knew what we were doing. So when we got

858
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:41,599
to go, can you go to the next slide?

859
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,599
This shows you a little bit about what

860
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,560
the So the main the historic house is

861
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,599
actually was actually only 740 square

862
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:52,640
ft. It was a square structure. It was

863
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,680
built in 1887. It's probably one of the

864
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,599
first or the first house in Woodside. Um

865
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,599
and it was actually built before there

866
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,320
was a subdivision. So when they did the

867
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,040
subdivision, they did they pushed it to,

868
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,880
you know, minimum front step setbacks

869
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,480
and everything else. So that's was

870
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,400
there. The the um next thing that was

871
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,920
done was about 19

872
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,680
in the 20s 20s and 30s. There was a uh

873
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,079
front the porch was added in the 20s and

874
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,079
30s and then there's a section in the

875
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,880
back which was the bedroom wing.

876
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,280
um and it extended out and it was flush

877
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,680
with the front of the uh existing

878
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,760
historic structure. So, as part of the

879
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
process and working with Bonnie, the

880
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,119
historic consultant, we pushed the the

881
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,400
bedroom wing back about 5 ft. So, in the

882
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,320
first rendering, you saw how it it

883
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,760
accentuated this h the house itself as a

884
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
historic structure. The one in the back

885
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,200
isn't necessarily that the that and

886
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,720
the um bedroom wing

887
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,800
isn't historic. Um and so we were doing

888
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,040
the same thing we were doing with the

889
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,800
addition of the kitchen structure where

890
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,400
it has to be something different. So we

891
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,240
changed the siding, we changed the

892
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,440
windows, we did a bunch of other stuff

893
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000
like that as well as pushing it back to

894
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
accentuate that.

895
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,839
the all the other development that we've

896
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:25,680
done on the site, we decided the kitchen

897
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,160
should be in keeping with that family

898
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,839
and that really allows it to

899
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,640
differentiate itself from the main from

900
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,040
the historic structure which we

901
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,079
personally think works pretty well. Uh

902
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,079
so what what we created is a little

903
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:43,119
village of similar structures as well as

904
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,400
accentuating the the main house.

905
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:53,750
Um

906
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,680
So, there's really two there's there's

907
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,640
really two additions we're making. One

908
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,280
is the one is the back portion is the is

909
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,400
the uh kitchen and the other one is the

910
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,240
uh master bedroom extension because the

911
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,560
house as it exists only has two very

912
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,720
small bedrooms and so we have two kids

913
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,720
with they have two kids they want you

914
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,640
know two bedrooms as well as a master

915
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,160
suite. So what we're trying to create

916
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,680
here is we're trying to take the

917
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,040
historic property and be have it become

918
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,280
a modern house in the way it works and

919
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,640
functions as a as a family house. Um

920
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
the addition to the the addition is for

921
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,839
the master bedroom is 500 ft and the

922
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:40,720
kitchen additions about 830. gets us to

923
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,000
somewhere around uh

924
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,040
20 something. We think 3,000 something.

925
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920
Um

926
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,680
the renovation of the historic house has

927
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,960
to meet the requirements for the uh

928
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,119
United [snorts] States

929
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,240
uh restor you know historic secretary of

930
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,040
the interior standards for restorations

931
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,880
and that requires the difference in the

932
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
looks as well as what you can and can't

933
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,200
do to maintain the and and enhance the

934
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,520
um the historic property itself.

935
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,440
One of the problems with this house is

936
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,599
that it was built in 189 1887 and was

937
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,760
built out of redwood and the roof

938
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960
framing is 2x4s

939
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,599
uh and they're way overstressed

940
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,760
uh to the point where they actually sag

941
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,599
uh within it as well as they have

942
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,520
absolutely no there's no seismic forces

943
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,400
in I mean there's no seismic

944
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,000
structural system at all which is one of

945
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,240
the things we also have to add here. So

946
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,359
when we were looking at the

947
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:57,280
um the front porch is not structurally

948
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,359
tied to the house itself and actually

949
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:03,119
has fallen down a couple of times and

950
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:04,960
been rebuilt and it's not historic in

951
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,440
any way. And so what we were looking at

952
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,160
doing was trying to get the house to

953
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,480
have get the structure of the roof to

954
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,520
deal with the lateral forces of the uh

955
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,200
of the way that's built. So, there's a

956
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,880
glass section that's reminiscent of what

957
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680
the existing porch has. And then we

958
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,240
wanted to turn the entry to be off of

959
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,160
porch, off of uh Prospect and not off of

960
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,240
a crazy little stair that comes up to

961
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,240
the front of the house. Um, which

962
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,000
doesn't work very well in the rain and

963
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,560
all the other stuff. So, you know,

964
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,920
that's the basis of that.

965
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Uh, we know

966
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,880
that this property has a lot of paved

967
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,520
area issues. um like everyone one does

968
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,880
uh as well as you know how you how we

969
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,880
tie everything together. So we've been

970
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,920
working with staff on the paved area and

971
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,599
we'll continue to do so as we move

972
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:09,520
forward but it's the paved area works in relation to the R1 zoning which is good. Um there was a question

973
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,400
in there about the fencing.

974
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Um,

975
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:21,200
so the existing fence go back to the p the photos.

976
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,400
Yeah. So this is these are the on the

977
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,960
left hand side is the uh wooden fence

978
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,960
that exists

979
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,920
on the property and it's very similar to

980
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,079
the one that's across the street across

981
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,480
on on Prospect on Ab Albian.

982
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,480
And so there's a couple of corners where

983
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,359
it intersects with what's allowable for

984
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:46,480
a fence. And we do have a pool. So we

985
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480
have to have a you have to have a

986
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,960
cohesive fence system for fence

987
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,640
enclosure.

988
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,079
So what we're doing is

989
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,480
uh we're moving we're moving the pool

990
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,280
equipment to a area

991
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,960
off to the side there. And what we're

992
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,520
trying to do is incorporate an enclosure

993
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,319
of that fence and the house so that it

994
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:13,920
becomes a a singular element. Um, and

995
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,079
that's what the idea here is. What we're

996
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:20,240
looking at doing is um

997
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,560
trying to keep either keep one do one of

998
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,000
two things. Either keep the fence

999
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,839
existing fence where it already is,

1000
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:30,480
which is avoiding the trees, or um

1001
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640
dealing with an enclosure out on the

1002
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,200
outside of it. So the one the the

1003
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,200
elevation on the right hand side shows

1004
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,720
the uh pulling the fence back to the

1005
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,960
property line

1006
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,839
um and then making it moving the the

1007
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,760
existing fence back for a little section

1008
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,800
of it to uh deal with the to deal with

1009
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,680
the being on the property line. We'd

1010
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,440
like to kind of keep it where it is, but

1011
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,040
you know we can work around that. We'll

1012
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,240
work with staff on that for the formal.

1013
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,960
Uh there any questions? Oh, thank you,

1014
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,520
Peter. Um, any member of the board have

1015
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,829
questions of the app?

1016
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:13,440
» Okay, great. [laughter]

1017
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,880
>> Okay.

1018
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,030
>> Actually, I do.

1019
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,520
» So, um I I certainly understand the

1020
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,240
spirit of the historical

1021
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,079
u guidelines with regards to

1022
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,960
differentiating old structures from new.

1023
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,000
um you've taken it to an extreme here.

1024
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,160
literally black and white and I'm just

1025
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,000
curious if you could speak to a little

1026
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,680
bit about your your thinking behind um

1027
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,040
>> well there's there's two parts there's

1028
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,920
two parts to that one is and if you look

1029
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,200
at the if you look at the right hand

1030
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040
side of the structure where the where

1031
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,680
the existing addition is on the right

1032
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,040
hand that feels like it's part of the

1033
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,800
house

1034
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,359
uh and it kind of follows the follows

1035
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,760
the historic thing and the in working

1036
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
with Bonnie she said it really has to be

1037
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,480
quite different.

1038
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,319
Um, and the rest of the property we're

1039
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:08,560
doing the sort of it's not black, it's

1040
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,200
sort of a darker it's a darker brown.

1041
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,760
And I think what it does is it helps to

1042
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,240
delineate and show the separation of the

1043
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,280
two of the two structures. Uh, so that

1044
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,280
it really it really points out that the

1045
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,359
house is special, the old house is

1046
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:25,359
special and the rest of it falls. If you

1047
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:26,400
look at that, if you look at that

1048
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,720
elevation or the that rendering again,

1049
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:34,000
it falls to the background.

1050
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000
>> The type of wood is that just a cedar?

1051
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,520
>> Yeah, it's a cedar. It's a it's a dark

1052
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,240
stained cedar.

1053
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,160
>> Just a

1054
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,079
Yeah, they're all all the all the rest

1055
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,920
of the house buildings on the side are

1056
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160
>> so we really sort of wanted it to recede

1057
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,520
actually. Um, and in addition to that,

1058
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,040
it's really extraordinary when you read

1059
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,560
the Secretary of the Interior, you know,

1060
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,160
this long document they have that talks

1061
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,800
about how you comply, they they show you

1062
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,119
some extraordinary examples of what they

1063
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,599
consider to be acceptable.

1064
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,599
Um, you know, I mean, I can't say that I

1065
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,280
really like them, but, you know, that's

1066
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,960
what they want. uh they'll show you a

1067
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,480
glass modern glass extension next to uh

1068
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,160
you know a Victorian um structure you

1069
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,319
know which is

1070
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,880
that's what's required. So so we wanted

1071
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,000
it to recede

1072
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,400
>> and and we really wanted to be part of

1073
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,560
an overall

1074
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,200
site feel so that it it feels like it's

1075
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:29,599
part of

1076
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,440
>> it's another third component

1077
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440
>> another part of it so it's fitting

1078
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,119
everything together.

1079
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,800
I know it's not something that you often

1080
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,560
see. [laughter]

1081
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,829
So,

1082
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:44,400
» well, part of the the roofs um

1083
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,599
>> that's one of the things you have to do.

1084
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,119
The the structural engineer was quite

1085
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,079
clear that he felt that in the event of

1086
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:55,680
an earthquake that the porch if it

1087
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,599
wasn't actually connected better to the

1088
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,440
building [clears throat]

1089
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,960
that the porch could come off the

1090
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,480
building and actually damage the

1091
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,960
historic structure which is obviously

1092
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,079
not something

1093
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,280
>> it would be sort of like you don't want

1094
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,760
that

1095
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,119
>> still wagging the dog.

1096
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:10,560
>> And in addition to that obviously this

1097
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,839
is a residential use. It's not um it's

1098
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:15,680
not just a little museum somewhere.

1099
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,359
People are actually living in this. So

1100
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:20,000
um it needs to be safe in that regard.

1101
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560
>> Oh, excuse me.

1102
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960
>> And the intent is to remodel the other

1103
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,880
existing in addition to the ADU. The

1104
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,160
other existing structures will be

1105
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:28,960
remodeled.

1106
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,319
>> No, they're already they're already

1107
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:31,119
done.

1108
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,359
>> They're the ADU is under construction.

1109
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:33,920
>> Yep.

1110
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,839
>> Uh the other two structures are

1111
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:37,839
permitted already

1112
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:40,319
and um this was the next step. Yeah,

1113
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:41,839
they they aren't under construction, I

1114
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:43,200
don't believe, but

1115
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:43,599
>> Oh, yeah,

1116
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,880
>> they will be shortly.

1117
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,839
>> Yes.

1118
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,640
>> Okay. Okay. Any other questions?

1119
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Otherwise, uh move on. No.

1120
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,319
>> Okay. Thank you.

1121
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,960
>> Thank you.

1122
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,680
>> Um with that, we open up to public

1123
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,760
comment.

1124
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,880
I remembered this time. So, anyone in

1125
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,200
the room or online who wishes to make a

1126
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,319
comment regarding this proposal, welcome

1127
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:11,440
to do so.

1128
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,760
>> As a reminder, for those online, use a a

1129
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,119
raise hand feature if you'd like to make

1130
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:19,589
a comment.

1131
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:22,079
» There are no raised hands.

1132
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,079
>> Okay. We did receive a number of desk

1133
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,280
items in support of this project.

1134
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,839
Um, good.

1135
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:32,319
So, that close uh public hearing. Move

1136
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,400
to board discussion. Anyone like to kick

1137
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,280
us off?

1138
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,520
>> Well, I I walked by this house a million

1139
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,160
times and when it was in it shape and I

1140
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,280
can work with them. It's just wonderful.

1141
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,240
It fits in with that all the other

1142
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:51,599
houses.

1143
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:58,630
fits in with the house

1144
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,839
and with all the

1145
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:04,000
project

1146
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,680
>> and totally commendable that you had to

1147
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,200
go through what you've gone through for

1148
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,150
two years.

1149
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,119
» Bob,

1150
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:14,240
>> yeah,

1151
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,599
>> no particular comments beyond what's

1152
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,240
already been brought up.

1153
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,440
>> Good. Yeah, I think it's a fascinating

1154
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,720
challenge. Um, I think uh the decisions

1155
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,599
around the contrasting

1156
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,760
aesthetics of the new construction

1157
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,480
benefits from having all the additional

1158
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,720
structures uh that'll be help bring it

1159
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,200
in line. Um, yeah, I think it's quite an

1160
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,520
elegant solution to this problem. I have

1161
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,880
no concerns with regards to um

1162
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,599
visibility from surrounding neighbors or

1163
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,040
the street. I know that was um brought

1164
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,599
up as a potential cons area of concern,

1165
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,319
but none with mine and I'm I'm quite

1166
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:56,800
happy moving this forward directly to

1167
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,480
staff for formal. So this this doesn't

1168
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,948
have story polls up. So it would

1169
00:49:02,948 --> 00:49:04,640
[clears throat] and part of the reason

1170
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,319
is it requires all these additional

1171
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:08,480
entitlements and so they wanted to put

1172
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:09,680
story polls up when they're kind of

1173
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,920
ready to go ASRB planning commission

1174
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,160
council to minimize the time that story

1175
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,920
polls need to be up. Are story poles

1176
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,839
required as part of the reasonzoning?

1177
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:21,119
There uh it's the what happens is all

1178
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,760
the the project all at the end has to be

1179
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,359
approved by the town council because

1180
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:27,440
they have to take uh action on the

1181
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,760
resoning. So you couldn't really say

1182
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,359
approve the setbacks without the

1183
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,200
resoning. So at the end of the day the

1184
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,880
council will take final action on all

1185
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,359
the entitlements. Um the SRP and

1186
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:38,720
planning commission will be providing

1187
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,920
recommending roles. Is it also town

1188
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,839
council's responsibility to make take

1189
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:45,599
any action regarding the fact that it's

1190
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,200
a historical property?

1191
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,119
>> Uh there's no special entitlement needed

1192
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,119
for that. Uh the way that's kind of

1193
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,720
really handled is through SQA. Um and so

1194
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,480
by having a building that is consistent

1195
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,400
with the secretary of in interior

1196
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,119
standards, it could be exempt from SQA.

1197
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:02,800
Um but there's no special entitlement

1198
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,599
needed for it.

1199
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:04,880
>> Okay.

1200
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,240
>> Sage, is it possible to have uh planning

1201
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,559
commission do formal

1202
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,040
Uh it the way the code's set up is that

1203
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,240
the ASRB has to see the story polls. Um

1204
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:19,359
they could I mean at this point uh you

1205
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,119
know we could bring it back if the ASRB

1206
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:25,200
wishes on consent um to the ASRB and

1207
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,200
then if there's any significant issues

1208
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,280
brought up at that time uh it could be

1209
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,280
pulled off consent. Uh [snorts] but in

1210
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,800
according to the code without the story

1211
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,520
polls it needs to go back to ASR.

1212
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,160
Does anyone on the board have concerns

1213
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,800
with regards to it? Um, going straight

1214
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,000
to consent

1215
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:42,880
>> to consent.

1216
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,079
>> Yep. No.

1217
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,960
>> Okay. All right. I think that's that's

1218
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,119
uh our position.

1219
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,760
>> Um Okay. So, what I've heard is uh the

1220
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,880
applicant is commended uh for design

1221
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,640
additions and remodels to the historic

1222
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,680
home that uh fits well within the design

1223
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,720
of the houses on Prospect Street. Um the

1224
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,240
applicant is commended for working

1225
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,280
closely with the project historian uh to

1226
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,119
ensure consistency with the secretary of

1227
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,359
interior standards and that um while

1228
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:14,960
part of those standards require the

1229
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,440
addition to be distinguished from the

1230
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,960
main residence or from the existing

1231
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,520
structure um those additions do tie into

1232
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
other accessory structures on site

1233
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,119
bringing kind of a cohesive design to

1234
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,200
the entire project. Um, I didn't hear

1235
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,280
any recommendations for changes. Other

1236
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,599
than that, it was uh noted to move the

1237
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,079
project to the ASRB for story polls on

1238
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,079
consent and then after that it could

1239
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,520
move on to planning commission and town

1240
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,480
council.

1241
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,040
>> I do think you want to add that they the

1242
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,720
applicants have gone to a lot of

1243
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,440
outreach and all the or at least the

1244
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,800
neighbors around them are very

1245
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,950
supportive.

1246
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
» We can definitely include that. Um, so

1247
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,200
with that, is there a motion and a

1248
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,119
second?

1249
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:00,240
>> Here.

1250
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,440
>> Make a motion

1251
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,319
>> in second.

1252
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:05,119
>> Chair Lindseay.

1253
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:05,520
>> Yes.

1254
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,760
>> Vice Chair Comra. Member Delgavio.

1255
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,079
>> Yes.

1256
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,280
>> Member Sullivan.

1257
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,000
>> Yes.

1258
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,950
Great.

1259
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,359
Thank you.

1260
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:21,760
>> Yes.

1261
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:30,470
Take a very short break.

1262
00:52:30,480 --> 00:55:03,430
Okay.

1263
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:08,079
Sarah, you're presenting. Thank you.

1264
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,000
>> Yes, thank you. Um, okay. I will be

1265
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,640
introducing the project at 161 Fox Road.

1266
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,599
The project includes the demolition of

1267
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,240
an existing single family dwelling and

1268
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,800
accessory structures and the

1269
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,119
construction of a new single family

1270
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,240
dwelling with an attached junior

1271
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,599
accessory dwelling unit as well as an

1272
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,359
attached accessory dwelling unit. Um ADU

1273
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:41,040
I'll just keep I'll say ADU. Sorry. um a

1274
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,920
detached garage with an ADU and another

1275
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,920
uh detached ADU as well as a uh swimming

1276
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,760
pool, tennis pavilion, building an

1277
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,839
tennis court and associated site

1278
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,920
improvements.

1279
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,040
So, the property is in is in the RR

1280
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,119
zoning district and it's about three

1281
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,000
acres, just over three acres.

1282
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,839
It's located off Fox Box Follow Road,

1283
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:10,240
which is um extends off of Woodside

1284
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,200
Road. It's currently developed with a

1285
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,960
single family main residence and

1286
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,880
accessory structures, all of which are

1287
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,160
proposed to be demolished.

1288
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,400
The new main residence will be located

1289
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,119
in the same general area as the existing

1290
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,240
residence. Um and the main residence

1291
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,240
will include

1292
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,839
um a J AU on the basement level. And

1293
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:36,559
then this portion here is the attached

1294
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,200
ADU.

1295
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,079
The detached garage is proposed here

1296
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,640
adjacent to the main residence and we'll

1297
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,319
have an ADU above the garage.

1298
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:51,920
And then the detached ADU is um down

1299
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,920
here closer to the front of the

1300
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,240
property.

1301
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,400
Um, in front of the main residence will

1302
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,040
be the sort of like outdoor recreational

1303
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,400
uses which includes this lawn area, um,

1304
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,240
a swimming pool. They also have a botchi

1305
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,920
ball court here. And then also they're

1306
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,319
proposing a tennis court here in this

1307
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:14,640
location and the tennis pavilion kind of

1308
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,520
right adjacent to it.

1309
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,839
Uh there is um oops actually before I get

1310
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:24,559
there um the existing driveway is

1311
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,359
proposed to be uh removed and relocated.

1312
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:31,680
So let me show you where the existing

1313
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,559
driveway is. Go back. Sorry.

1314
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,559
So the existing driveway is kind of

1315
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,960
center in the property and it just kind

1316
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,359
of extends straight in. So they're

1317
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:46,160
removing that driveway.

1318
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,400
um and relocating it to this kind of

1319
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,440
corner of the property here. So,

1320
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,200
there'll be new, you know, new driveway

1321
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,280
and new parking and a new firetruck

1322
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,789
turnaround.

1323
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:01,680
um on this adjacent property over here

1324
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,079
on this like right side of the screen.

1325
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:05,920
Um so that's kind of like south of this

1326
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,760
property there is a horse trail um and

1327
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,680
an easement

1328
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,720
that extends the entire length of this

1329
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,799
property boundary.

1330
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:20,319
And um we did take the project to the

1331
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:22,400
trails committee at their July 9th

1332
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,319
meeting um to review uh with the trails

1333
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:27,920
committee to see if they had any

1334
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,280
comments they wanted to um express um

1335
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,839
kind of in uh relation to the proximity

1336
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:36,640
of the tennis court to that horse trail.

1337
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,280
So, the committee um had some concerns

1338
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,359
about noise

1339
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:44,960
um potentially about fencing

1340
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,720
um

1341
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,319
but overall they you know they gave

1342
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:51,040
comments mostly concerned with potential

1343
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,549
noise impacts.

1344
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:02,950
I'm going to go to some elevations.

1345
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,480
So, the main residence and the accessory

1346
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,480
structures will all have the same sort

1347
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,119
of architectural style and form, and

1348
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:13,920
they'll all have flat roofs.

1349
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,160
The main residence will be two stories

1350
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,200
with a basement. Um, and it'll be about

1351
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,000
24 ft in height.

1352
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,240
And as I mentioned before, the detached

1353
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,710
garage will have um an ADU above.

1354
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:36,309
So that's uh this structure here.

1355
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,319
The materials for all the structures

1356
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:42,559
include wood panels, concrete, stucco,

1357
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,520
um wood sun shade louvers, aluminum

1358
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,720
windows and doors, and um some areas

1359
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,920
with green roofs. And the color palette

1360
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,720
includes you muted earth tones in shades

1361
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,359
of brown, beige, and gray.

1362
00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:59,680
Uh they have not installed story poles

1363
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,720
yet. Uh and we did receive a few desk

1364
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,480
items. One was um an additional letter

1365
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,799
of support from a um property owner, a

1366
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,520
neighboring property owner. Um part of

1367
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,079
the packet was a number of letters and

1368
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,720
support for the project.

1369
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,760
Um, a second desk item was a letter from

1370
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,640
the geotechnical engineer um, just

1371
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,280
describing some areas on site that have

1372
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,400
35% slope and those areas being um,

1373
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,920
man-made

1374
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,920
and that was just in response to some of

1375
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,280
the items called out in the staff

1376
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:39,040
report. And then the last item was just

1377
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,040
the summary comments from the trails

1378
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,880
committee.

1379
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,040
That um, that concludes my presentation

1380
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,480
though and I'm happy to answer any

1381
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,047
questions. Thank you, sir.

1382
01:00:49,047 --> 01:00:49,760
[clears throat]

1383
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,280
>> Does anyone on the board have questions

1384
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,190
of staff?

1385
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,160
» Does ASRB get involved in conversations

1386
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,599
about the horse trail and proximity to

1387
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:02,799
some of these improvements or is that

1388
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:05,280
really fall to staff and planning and

1389
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,352
other folks not ASRB?

1390
01:01:09,352 --> 01:01:09,599
[clears throat]

1391
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,920
>> The you know the ASRB looks at site

1392
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,839
planning. So all aspects of site

1393
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:16,400
planning are looked at. Um but that's

1394
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,000
why we have you know a number of

1395
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,400
different committees in town and you

1396
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,920
know you have some comments from the

1397
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,880
trails committee to consider. Um the

1398
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,040
code the the reason this was brought

1399
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,559
forward is that tennis courts could be

1400
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,119
closer to a property line than

1401
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,000
structures can. And so uh because the

1402
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,480
tennis court is still further away than

1403
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,960
what is the minimum required. Um but

1404
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,559
both the applicant and staff agreed to

1405
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,559
bring it to the trails committee and so

1406
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,000
they have some input that you can

1407
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,839
consider.

1408
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,920
Sage, I think. Nick, can you clarify? If

1409
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,040
it's a tennis court, it can be 30 feet.

1410
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,280
>> It can beif

1411
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,599
Yeah. So, just tennis courts, no other

1412
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,520
types of sports course, but just tennis

1413
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,160
courts can be as close as 15 feet to a

1414
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,160
side or rear property line.

1415
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,960
>> 15.

1416
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,670
I that's something

1417
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,190
I don't

1418
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,720
I mean that doesn't have to

1419
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,079
work. So to think that this is never

1420
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,240
going to be a sport

1421
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,160
is it's it doesn't it's

1422
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,799
>> if if the town received a call um it

1423
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:32,400
would be a code enforcement item

1424
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,400
>> and they would have to remove it restore

1425
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,880
with three children and you've got a bot

1426
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,160
that you're probably going to have

1427
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,359
lying.

1428
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:44,720
>> I can't assume that. Um it's just this

1429
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,960
is what's allowed and if they are going

1430
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,839
to if someone designs something that is

1431
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,880
well smaller than what a tennis court

1432
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,559
is. Tennis courts have typical

1433
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,200
dimensions. Um and if somebody shows us

1434
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,799
something well smaller than that it's

1435
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,640
clearly that you can't just put a label

1436
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,920
of tennis court on it. Um and so but

1437
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,200
that's what's being proposed and that's

1438
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,599
what the code allows if people install

1439
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,240
basketball hoops or change it to a

1440
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,520
pickle ball court or something else. um

1441
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,680
that would uh become a code enforcement

1442
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,960
issue.

1443
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,799
>> And how do we deal with the fact of the

1444
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:21,599
horses being afraid of balls and fence

1445
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,240
and carter that was created? Can you

1446
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,160
answer how that's worked out?

1447
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,520
>> Oh, sorry, I missed the first part.

1448
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,599
>> Uh a couple of different things. One, I

1449
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,440
had read that they there's a concern

1450
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,200
obviously with the horses and the and

1451
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,640
the tennis balls or pickle balls,

1452
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,720
whatever they are. Um and that there's

1453
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,880
also a fence situation where you'd

1454
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,960
create a carter for the horses to be

1455
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,039
afraid to walk down the corridor. What

1456
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:43,760
how is that being?

1457
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,160
>> So those are things that I I believe um

1458
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,440
the applicant can probably best speak to

1459
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,760
it, but I believe their goal is to

1460
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,480
propose additional landscaping and again

1461
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:53,760
they can correct me if I'm wrong. I

1462
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,680
think they're still proposing open style

1463
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,280
fencing um on that side. And so their

1464
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,359
goal is to just kind of screen it,

1465
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,039
provide more dense landscaping to help

1466
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:06,559
minimize on the visual and noise impact.

1467
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:10,400
>> Okay. Any any other questions? No. So

1468
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,559
just question for me regarding attached

1469
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:14,880
ADU. We've reviewed number of detached

1470
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,559
ADUs that are with place within the

1471
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,440
setback by state law. In the case of an

1472
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,119
attached ADU, what are there different

1473
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:23,599
guidelines?

1474
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,240
>> Very similar as detached. So you can

1475
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,240
still have So if you're attached, you

1476
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,400
can hang over that setback that basic

1477
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,039
setback line as long as no more than 800

1478
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,240
square ft are going into that uh the

1479
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,960
basic setback. So um yes and actually

1480
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,960
the state has been quite clear on that.

1481
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:41,520
>> Okay.

1482
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,520
>> And how close do we get to the

1483
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,119
neighboring property?

1484
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,520
>> Have to double check. Not that's

1485
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,079
proposed. Oh,

1486
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,599
>> that's prop. Yeah. I mean you can be as

1487
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:52,000
close as four feet to a side or rear,

1488
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,559
but they're much further than that.

1489
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,559
Okay.

1490
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,720
Good. Thank you, sir.

1491
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,400
>> I'll I can pull it up for you.

1492
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,119
>> Thank you.

1493
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,440
>> Uh 11

1494
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,960
and a half ft roughly.

1495
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,400
>> 17

1496
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,400
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. I can't read even

1497
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,280
though I have glasses on.

1498
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,960
>> Okay.

1499
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:16,789
177.

1500
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:19,280
» Okay. All right.

1501
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,000
Um thank you for that, Sarah. All right.

1502
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:29,270
move to the uh applicants presentation.

1503
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,520
» Okay. Um well, good afternoon, good

1504
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,480
evening. Um uh I'd like to introduce

1505
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,559
myself, um Hugo Bar, and my wife Laura

1506
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,720
Griffiths, and we wanted to talk about

1507
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,799
three things real quick. Uh one is who

1508
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:43,359
we are and our family. Uh the second is

1509
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:45,520
why we've chosen Woodside to build our

1510
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,400
forever home. And the third is some of

1511
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,319
the sort of functional and design things

1512
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:52,720
that we've uh kept in mind um when

1513
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,680
creating this home. Um so number one,

1514
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,400
who we are. Um Hugo and Laura, we've

1515
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,280
both been residents of the Bay Area for,

1516
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,319
you know, a couple of decades. Um we

1517
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:08,000
have three babies. Uh girl, boy, girl,

1518
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Anna, who's four and a half, uh Matteo

1519
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,599
who's two, uh Alex, baby girl, who's uh

1520
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:17,119
6 months. uh day after Friday Friday

1521
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:21,119
this week and we are planning um fourth

1522
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:26,240
and final um for maybe sometime uh late

1523
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,280
next year is our thinking. So uh we'd be

1524
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,799
um moving to Woodside with a lot of

1525
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:32,480
little ones and we'll come back to that

1526
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,720
in a second. Um, I wanted to talk about

1527
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,520
why Woodside and maybe for that start

1528
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,359
with Laura's story uh with Woodside,

1529
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:43,200
which I think is worth hearing. Maybe

1530
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,480
you real quick, my love.

1531
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,480
>> Hi everyone. I'm Laura. I'm so excited

1532
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,760
and unbelievably nervous to be here.

1533
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,119
So, I just wanted to say a little bit

1534
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:54,960
about my relationship with Woodside.

1535
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,119
I've been coming to Woodside for I

1536
01:06:57,119 --> 01:06:58,640
realized when I was thinking about it,

1537
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,079
think about talking about this today,

1538
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,319
more than half my life at this point.

1539
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:04,640
Um, so I moved here as an undergrad and

1540
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,440
I discovered Hutter Park very early in

1541
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,200
my first year as an undergrad and I

1542
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:10,319
started coming here every single

1543
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:13,039
weekend. So whether it was hot or cold

1544
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:14,960
or raining, I'd go hike in Hutter Park

1545
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,119
every single Sunday morning. I'd come

1546
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,039
back to my car with my hands so cold I

1547
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:20,559
couldn't even get back into the car

1548
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:22,559
because I couldn't click the key. Um,

1549
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:25,599
and it's just been my sanctuary. Um,

1550
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,359
coming to Woodside has just been my

1551
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:29,520
favorite place in the world for forever

1552
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,079
now. Um, it's been where I've formed all

1553
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:33,599
my most meaningful friendships. When I

1554
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,359
was in business school here and I saw a

1555
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,680
girl I like the look of, I would say

1556
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,960
basically like, will you go on a date

1557
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,599
with me and go hike in Woodside and like

1558
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:43,440
see if we're going to be friends? Um,

1559
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,839
the first thing I ever asked Hugo to do

1560
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:48,160
with me was to go hike in Woodside.

1561
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,960
>> Um, so it's just been a dream for me

1562
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,480
forever to live here and I can't believe

1563
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,960
we're actually here with the chance to

1564
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,599
do it. Um, and I didn't know if it ever

1565
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,680
would be a reality, but for more than

1566
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,359
half my life, my hope has been to be

1567
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:03,200
able to bring my kids here and build a

1568
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,599
home where we could not just have our

1569
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,440
family, but you know, we love the idea

1570
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,079
of kind of a family compound and having,

1571
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,000
you know, more of our family around us

1572
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,760
and building a place that can be kind of

1573
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,319
the real center of gravity both for us

1574
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,480
and for our kids and for our grandkids

1575
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:20,480
and for, you know, my parents and my

1576
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,080
brother and Hugo's family and like all

1577
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,920
the people we love just to, you know, to

1578
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,480
the place people gather. And so, yeah,

1579
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:27,759
I'm a little emotional talking about

1580
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:29,759
this, but this has just been we bought

1581
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,000
the property, we signed the offer on the

1582
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,102
property. I think I was in labor.

1583
01:08:34,102 --> 01:08:35,520
[snorts]

1584
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,000
And so, you know, this has just been the

1585
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,960
culmination of, you know, nearly what, a

1586
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,560
year and a half, two years of just

1587
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,560
dreaming about what this house would be.

1588
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,719
Um, so yeah, we're just unbelievably

1589
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:48,880
grateful to be here today. So, thank you

1590
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,920
for the time.

1591
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,120
>> Thank you.

1592
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,839
We tried a couple of times to um to buy

1593
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:55,839
a property here in Woodside, but we

1594
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:58,239
didn't manage to because the people were

1595
01:08:58,239 --> 01:08:59,520
paying a lot of a lot more money for

1596
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,400
these things and but we finally made it.

1597
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,400
Um the funny thing is that we said the

1598
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,239
last thing we'll do is to build a house

1599
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:07,759
because you know we have all these

1600
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:08,960
little kids. We want to focus our time

1601
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,400
in them and of course that's what we end

1602
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,880
up doing is choosing to build a house.

1603
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,640
Um, one thing that's really special for

1604
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,640
us, and I think this is even for

1605
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,799
Woodside residents, is quite unique of

1606
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:21,679
this property, our kids can walk to

1607
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,319
Woodside Elementary without crossing a

1608
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,640
street once because it's literally like

1609
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,440
on the same street block. So, um, so we

1610
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:32,480
love that we have we we, uh, uh, part of

1611
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,400
the process of me becoming a huge fan of

1612
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Woodside had to do with the fact that

1613
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,159
probably at least a dozen of my close

1614
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,120
friends, uh, already live here and have,

1615
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,359
you know, uh, kids here. Our very next

1616
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,199
door neighbor, David and Marielle, they

1617
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,679
have five kids and our kids kind of

1618
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:50,239
slide perfectly in between their ages.

1619
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,880
So, we'll have, you know, sort of bigger

1620
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,640
brothers and sisters and little ones for

1621
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,880
all of them. Um and then everybody will

1622
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,800
adopt our fourth hopefully. Um then the

1623
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,080
third thing I want to talk about is the

1624
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,080
things that we've wanted uh sort of we

1625
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,520
had in mind for functional design

1626
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,960
requirements for this house. We're both

1627
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,800
engineers so functional requirements is

1628
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,840
like a love language for us. Uh we both

1629
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,920
grew up in in homes you know running

1630
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,840
around uh with tennis courts. We both

1631
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,719
played a lot of tennis uh you know at

1632
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:21,360
like local fun level but al also

1633
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:22,719
competitive level. Our daughter is

1634
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:25,040
starting her tennis now. So, uh, tennis

1635
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,159
is actually really, really important for

1636
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:29,600
us. Um, we are pretty anti-pickle ball

1637
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,840
and we're going to hammer that into our

1638
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,440
kids' brains because tennis players do

1639
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,760
not play pickle ball. Forgive me if I'm

1640
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,520
personally offending anyone. Um and um

1641
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,199
and uh we at any point in time probably

1642
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,000
will have you know a set of you know

1643
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,880
grandparents or siblings and their kids

1644
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,719
hopefully not just staying with us but

1645
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:52,560
with us for a long time which is the

1646
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,960
reasoning behind uh our accessories u

1647
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,159
sort of uh adus. Um what else? What am I

1648
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:01,040
forgetting my love? Um, these are all

1649
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,440
the main things, but we could talk for

1650
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,840
the whole day about every little piece

1651
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,199
of this house and why we thought about

1652
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,320
it in this way.

1653
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,480
>> Mom's an architect and my mom also did a

1654
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,080
lot of architecture stuff. So, we're

1655
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,480
just Yeah, we just want to build a

1656
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,719
beautiful home that we can be in for

1657
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:17,360
forever.

1658
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:18,800
>> Yeah, the architecture style that we've

1659
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,040
chosen um is spiritually uh u sort of an

1660
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,640
honor to my mother.

1661
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:33,669
>> Thank you.

1662
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:35,199
We're back. [laughter]

1663
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:37,920
>> Uh let me let me explain. Uh we are we

1664
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,159
are uh the local architect for this

1665
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:44,239
project. Uh the architect is a Brazilian

1666
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:47,679
very famous Brazilian firm. Uh and it's

1667
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:49,520
been a pleasure working with them. Uh

1668
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,640
they have they do they do lot modern

1669
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,239
houses. So do we. I mean so we have a

1670
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,000
lot of we have a lot in common in terms

1671
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,400
of what's going on. So, it's been it's

1672
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,320
been a pleasure working with them. Uh,

1673
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,360
you want to talk about

1674
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,040
>> Yeah. Um, I'm I'm going to talk

1675
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,760
immediately about the um equestrian

1676
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,239
trail, Don, if that's okay. Because we

1677
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,560
did attend the trails committee meeting.

1678
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:14,880
Um, and when the tennis court was first

1679
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,760
proposed, our clients um it was actually

1680
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,880
closer, as Sage said, to the equestrian

1681
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,040
trail than it is currently. It was

1682
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,719
proposed to be closer. And when we um

1683
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,440
when the team talked to our clients

1684
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,880
about um how significant equestrianism

1685
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,800
is in the town of Woodside, I mean I'm

1686
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,120
an equestrian. My husband has been an

1687
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,120
equestrian in the past and still owns a

1688
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,840
horse mine. Um

1689
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,760
they and we explained, you know, this

1690
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,480
issue of, you know, noise

1691
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:48,880
um activity potentially, you know, being

1692
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,520
an issue for horses. Um the conversation

1693
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,920
moved to let's move this tennis court

1694
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,800
back as far as we can on the site given

1695
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,600
that this actually is quite a steep site

1696
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,840
and there is only the only flat area for

1697
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,400
a tennis court is along that um southern

1698
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,199
boundary. So, um, the team and with

1699
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,360
permission from the owners, we moved it

1700
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,239
back to the 30 ft. And an additional

1701
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,480
conversation was had about, you know,

1702
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:18,960
the possibility of putting uh replacing

1703
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,480
the fencing with um solid fencing so

1704
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,760
that horses wouldn't be spooked by

1705
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,440
movement, noise, etc. But horses also do

1706
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:33,120
not like this tunnel, the aspect of kind

1707
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,960
of going into a tunnel. And so we

1708
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,880
decided not to do that and have proposed

1709
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,600
additional screening and in fact that

1710
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,280
really did resonate with the trails

1711
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,480
committee. They were actually very

1712
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:47,280
thankful that we had that that was the

1713
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,880
direction that we were going in here. So

1714
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,760
the solution from from our point of view

1715
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:57,679
is to put as much landscape screening in

1716
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:02,480
that 30foot section as possible um to

1717
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:06,880
mitigate the noise and to uh you know

1718
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:12,800
mitigate any sort of activity issues. Um

1719
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,960
really there is nowhere else on the site

1720
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,400
for the tennis court to go. So

1721
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,080
>> the vineyard part of this stopping

1722
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,640
>> the vineyard is at the front of the

1723
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,320
property. Yes. If you've dri if you've

1724
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:25,840
been on the site or driven by the

1725
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,199
vineyards at the front, but I that's

1726
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,880
>> it's in it's in pretty bad shape. Yeah.

1727
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,080
It doesn't it's

1728
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,120
>> it's not really producing

1729
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,800
>> it's not doing anything and it needs to

1730
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:33,120
be

1731
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,679
>> it pro it's going to be removed in fact.

1732
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,679
So yes, you could pull you could pull

1733
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,880
the tennis court further towards the

1734
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,719
street, but again it's still going to be

1735
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:45,600
up against that um that equestrian

1736
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,709
easement. Um, so

1737
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:52,239
I suppose you could say don't have a

1738
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:53,440
tennis court, but I think that was

1739
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,280
really one of the overarching goals that

1740
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,199
our clients had when they when they

1741
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,840
selected this property.

1742
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,600
>> Thank you, Christie. [laughter]

1743
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,440
Yes, exactly. So I guess the point

1744
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:04,960
you're trying to make is that you know

1745
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,400
we are here trying to work with we have

1746
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:09,679
tried to work with the equestrian

1747
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:11,679
community on this and um if there are

1748
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:13,440
any other suggestions they actually had

1749
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,199
no recommendations

1750
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:18,000
at that meeting. Um we did ask Sarah

1751
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,440
afterwards. So there were no

1752
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:20,880
recommendations there were no

1753
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,280
recommendations. If any recommendations

1754
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,520
come forward that seem reasonable and

1755
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,440
that we can accomplish we certainly

1756
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,480
would do that. um but that but they seem

1757
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:32,880
to be satisfied with it. Although you

1758
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,040
know

1759
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,880
equestrians you're on horseback it's

1760
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:43,830
always a challenge.

1761
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,280
» Okay. So I um the design itself if you

1762
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,600
go to the first first couple renderings

1763
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,440
uh well

1764
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:54,159
you can you go to the to the tooth or

1765
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:57,040
aerial views?

1766
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,120
No. I go to the Yeah. Okay. So, this

1767
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,159
kind of explains how the property works.

1768
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,960
The existing house has absolutely no

1769
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,239
relationships to its site. And I think

1770
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,480
what the design team was trying to do

1771
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:13,040
here was to create

1772
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,320
uh one views from the house. So, it's

1773
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,360
got kind of that lazy L that for looks

1774
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,600
towards the western hills. And then out

1775
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,640
in front of that is a lawn area that

1776
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,719
then steps down a couple of feet to the

1777
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:29,840
pool area and then down on down the

1778
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:31,600
site. And then there's a big play area

1779
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:36,239
down below. Uh sort of meadow slash,

1780
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:37,760
you know, that kind of stuff. That's

1781
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,280
also where the septic system is. Um

1782
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,880
which needs to be reworked, you know,

1783
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,360
given the number of bedrooms that are

1784
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,000
encompassing the ADUs and the house

1785
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,120
itself. Uh the other thing we tried to

1786
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:55,120
do was expand on the by using green

1787
01:16:55,120 --> 01:17:00,080
roofs to limit the impact of the um of

1788
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,320
the buildings out there and make it so

1789
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,040
that it doesn't feel like it's a it's a

1790
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,040
village of little buildings sitting all

1791
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,199
over the place. So that's that's what

1792
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:11,120
we're trying to do all over in all of

1793
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,320
them.

1794
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,320
Um, the other thing I was going to do

1795
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,800
was kind of go over some of the comments

1796
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,440
that came through on the on the staff

1797
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,199
report.

1798
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:24,640
So, one of those deals with the garage

1799
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,280
heights and how that is and how it's

1800
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,440
slightly over the TFA and that kind of

1801
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,120
stuff. So, one of the issues with that

1802
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,280
is that the walls that were d drawn on

1803
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,400
the plans are a little bit too thick. So

1804
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,960
we've we've deducted that down. And then

1805
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,840
we've looked at the separation required

1806
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,880
for the height of the uh ADU in

1807
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,760
relationship to the property line. And

1808
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,560
so we think both of those now are in are

1809
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,080
in compliance with the both the area and

1810
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,600
the setback of the way that the uh the

1811
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:04,800
ADU steps back from the um steps back

1812
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,760
from the from the garage below it. and

1813
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,520
we'll work with the town to you know

1814
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,280
assure that that's what happens when we

1815
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,000
come back for formal

1816
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,880
the next one is um slopes in excess of

1817
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,520
35% you see here's an enlargement of the

1818
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,800
area over where the garage is uh so one

1819
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,719
of the things we're do first of all some

1820
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:27,360
of this is is man-made but we're going

1821
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,440
to limit the amount of grading we need

1822
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,719
to do on that side by by can sort of

1823
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:34,960
canaling the park that parking area in

1824
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,760
particular off on the side.

1825
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:44,070
Um,

1826
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,800
Lauria CalS, we will work with the town

1827
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,679
on uh floor area. Uh, we we think we're

1828
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,480
in compliance with the general with the

1829
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,520
floor area. Uh, the height we already

1830
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,280
talked about, and the paved area, we'll

1831
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,719
work with the town to make sure we got

1832
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:04,960
the pipe area. Obviously, the biggest factor in the paved area is

1833
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,800
the 7200 ft² and a tennis court,

1834
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,440
but as Hugo explained, that's, you know,

1835
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:12,880
really part of what their life wants to

1836
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,120
be. So, we're going to pursue that a

1837
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,280
little bit further.

1838
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,800
And there are some things we can do to

1839
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,400
cut down some of the paved area so that

1840
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,760
it, you know, like the parking area

1841
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,480
that's down by the down by that lower

1842
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,960
ADU that can go into a green into a

1843
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,560
grass

1844
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,800
pavers type situation where it's, you

1845
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,640
know, just the rings that create the

1846
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,040
>> How much would that reduce you?

1847
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,520
>> We can get it to within probably around

1848
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,159
three and a half thousand

1849
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:42,960
>> five

1850
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:50,709
>> versus the five to six. Yeah.

1851
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,640
But other than that, you know, we we're

1852
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,560
>> well, one of one of the issues that's

1853
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,280
actually occurring, you know, we all

1854
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,480
know this with the the way in which the

1855
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,159
um Cal Fire is now changing the codes

1856
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,760
across California and requiring 5 foot

1857
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,440
of um

1858
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:10,080
>> nothing,

1859
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,679
>> you know, paved area around around your

1860
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:16,159
structure is actually I mean I have

1861
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,520
brought this up to stage before but

1862
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,760
actually that is actually

1863
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,600
increasing the amount of paved area that

1864
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,920
you need to have on your site.

1865
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,640
>> It just says depends space rocks.

1866
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,040
>> No. So well

1867
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,600
>> they Yeah. So gravel's paved area

1868
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,280
>> they'll

1869
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,800
just finish. Let me finish explaining

1870
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,000
please. The the fire district I know

1871
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,239
prefers some type of hardscape material.

1872
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,320
Um, but I do want to note that tomorrow

1873
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,080
night, town council is uh on a second

1874
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,080
reading of an ordinance um that is uh

1875
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,239
poised to

1876
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:56,800
uh uh exempt any gravel. Not if you have

1877
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,880
paving like concrete or bricks or

1878
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,400
something like that, it's still going to

1879
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,920
count. It's like a patio like it would

1880
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,920
have always counted, but if you need to

1881
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,560
put gravel within 5 ft of your uh

1882
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,040
structure, that that will be exempt from

1883
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,640
our planetary exception. So, there's a

1884
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,400
chance that some of that could apply

1885
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,640
here. It it it it's already been through

1886
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:15,760
its first reading. It's been through

1887
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,840
planning commission. Um so, tomorrow

1888
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,440
night is a second reading and if

1889
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,199
adopted, it becomes effective in 30

1890
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,950
days.

1891
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,239
Gravel. [laughter]

1892
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:27,840
>> Gravel. So it stays there. But

1893
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,080
>> you don't like gravel. I know person.

1894
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,640
Yes. Gravel. Gravel. And

1895
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,080
>> any type of kind of loose material, a

1896
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,280
nonbonded non-binding surface. Yeah.

1897
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,760
>> So then by ADU1, that path that goes

1898
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,159
between there and the office building

1899
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:43,440
potentially. That's

1900
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,360
>> it's just it's just the area that's

1901
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,040
within 5T of the building.

1902
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:47,679
>> Not that.

1903
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,600
>> So this is specific to address the fire

1904
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,520
>> district. There's definitely areas where

1905
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,679
we can reduce the amount of paving. I

1906
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:54,159
mean,

1907
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,480
>> um, and and get it down. It's it's

1908
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:57,760
there'll be a needling all the way

1909
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,440
around a little bit in terms of where

1910
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,360
you really need it and where you don't.

1911
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:02,560
And that's one of the things we need to

1912
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,679
work on.

1913
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:05,840
>> And we'll work with staff.

1914
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,440
>> One of the other issues that comes up is

1915
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,600
that the more ADUs on that you have on

1916
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,120
site, which the state wants, um, the

1917
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,960
more you have to access them, right,

1918
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,880
with paved area. So, um, you're in a

1919
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,560
little bit of an awkward situation if

1920
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,360
you actually max out the number of paved

1921
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,800
of ADUs and you're not using, uh, the

1922
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,360
primary driveway to access them. You

1923
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,040
know, there's sort of constraints there,

1924
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,477
too. So, it is quite complicated,

1925
01:22:34,477 --> 01:22:36,000
[laughter]

1926
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,199
but we're working to solve it.

1927
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:43,270
>> Any questions?

1928
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,000
» Nope. Any questions? And then there's a materials board that reviewed.

1929
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,040
So it's all

1930
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:50,080
>> Yeah.

1931
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:54,550
>> concrete wood

1932
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,040
modern modern uh modern vernacular.

1933
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,639
>> And would there be any consideration on

1934
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:02,960
the ADU2 if the orientation of the

1935
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,960
kitchenet went to the opposite direction

1936
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,639
that it wouldn't get as close to the

1937
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:09,120
setback?

1938
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,120
>> And I don't totally understand the plan

1939
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,639
100%. So forgive me. [laughter]

1940
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:17,280
I mean there's there's other things

1941
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,800
>> and I I'll just note they would just be

1942
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,239
careful with the ADU considerations

1943
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:23,840
>> but they they can it's something that

1944
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,960
they can consider

1945
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,360
>> plus the who is the Brazilian

1946
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,149
>> Bernardis.

1947
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:39,280
In fact, uh, Yugo was telling me that they um they were picking out

1948
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,760
images of what they wanted and they kept

1949
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,080
going to this architect. [laughter]

1950
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,280
>> Oh, is that

1951
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,000
>> and decided, well, we should hire them.

1952
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,960
>> You guys,

1953
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:51,360
>> okay,

1954
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,000
>> cool.

1955
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,149
>> Okay. Any other questions?

1956
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,239
» All of mine were addressed.

1957
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:02,159
>> Okay. Thank you.

1958
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:04,080
the board for your service. I

1959
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,600
appreciate it.

1960
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,760
>> Okay, with that moving to public

1961
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,840
comment. Any member of the public wishes

1962
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,880
to make a comment regarding this project

1963
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:18,149
can do so.

1964
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,480
» There are no raised hands online.

1965
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,229
>> Okay.

1966
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,320
Just a second to see if anyone raises a

1967
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,960
hand. No. All right. That close public

1968
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:41,910
comment and move to board deliberation.

1969
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:42,560
» Microphone.

1970
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:42,960
>> Yes.

1971
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,920
>> Thank you.

1972
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,800
>> Yes.

1973
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,719
>> Um I'm sure that they would consider

1974
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:50,800
shades to track um the light shining out

1975
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,480
onto the neighboring property on the

1976
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:54,159
down side of the hill. Probably want

1977
01:24:54,159 --> 01:25:01,669
them anyway.

1978
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:02,639
That's all I got.

1979
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:03,520
>> Okay.

1980
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,360
>> Covered it already. [clears throat]

1981
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,280
>> Anyone on the board care to offer

1982
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,400
comment with regards to specific

1983
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,440
materials, design, color as it pertains

1984
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:16,159
to the residential guidelines?

1985
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,080
>> No, it looks very nice.

1986
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,520
>> Absolutely.

1987
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,159
>> How about you? Um yeah, I think that

1988
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:25,840
it's exceptional project with regards to

1989
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,320
design and the use of material. Um

1990
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,800
I think hardscape will be a challenge. I

1991
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,560
anticipate that. So um try to figure out

1992
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,920
that solution. We'll see what the

1993
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,480
outcome of the second reading is

1994
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:42,800
tomorrow night. It have an impact on

1995
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,679
that or create opportunities. Um,

1996
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:47,199
>> and it looks like there only a couple of

1997
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,280
coast little oaks that are in good

1998
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,280
condition that may be removed. Numbers

1999
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,590
15 and 16. Probably not by choice.

2000
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,560
» Yes, we always uh note when a

2001
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:01,920
significant number of trees are being

2002
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,960
impacted by any project. Um, but all

2003
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:10,159
comes down to the arborist report. Um,

2004
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,880
vice chair camera thoughts? No, I mean

2005
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,239
it's it's a gorgeous

2006
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:15,280
>> really nice

2007
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,159
>> I love the green.

2008
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,560
I don't if it's really facing the the

2009
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,280
glass is facing the western there really

2010
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,280
aren't are there neighbors over I would

2011
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,960
um so you keep yourself [laughter]

2012
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,560
probably for your art you're probably

2013
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,719
going to keep

2014
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:38,480
no it's it's beautiful it's the thing I

2015
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:41,280
would be interested in is seeing the

2016
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,280
storage and letting the neighbors see

2017
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,840
the story because I think couple of

2018
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,639
height I'm still tired

2019
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:50,960
what's allowable just make sure

2020
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:57,350
>> we're working that

2021
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,120
» okay okay

2022
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,560
there um okay so what I've heard is uh

2023
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,360
ASRB commends the applicant for the

2024
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:06,960
proposed design and materials that are

2025
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,480
consistent with the residential design

2026
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,080
guidelines

2027
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,719
um and that to work with staff to

2028
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:15,440
minimize paved area and surface coverage

2029
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,840
um and also story pole install ation

2030
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:19,679
which will be required at the next

2031
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:23,360
stage. Um and that will help uh for

2032
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,840
neighbors and the ASRB visualize the

2033
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,480
heights of the structures. Um so no

2034
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:31,360
story plers are are installed. Um so

2035
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,120
this would have to go back to the ASRB

2036
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,360
for formal design review. Uh but is

2037
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,440
there are there any other comments um

2038
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:40,320
that I missed? Um like the earlier

2039
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,880
project where we moved to have the story

2040
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,360
poll or just move the item to consent

2041
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,120
agenda. Did that apply here as well?

2042
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:54,070
>> Yeah, you it can always apply.

2043
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,669
» Okay.

2044
01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:58,159
» Sure.

2045
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,560
>> Yep. But if the item is on consent and

2046
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,320
we do receive desk items on that or

2047
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,239
comments, we can pull it. Anybody a

2048
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:05,600
member of the public can ask for it to

2049
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,600
be pulled or the ASR any member of the

2050
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,679
ASRB can pull the item for consent.

2051
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:13,520
>> Let's move forward with that.

2052
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,080
>> Okay. So, I have a motion uh based on

2053
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,120
the uh recommendations that I've stated

2054
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,639
and to move to ASRB for formal design

2055
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:29,110
review. Um and is there a second?

2056
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,760
» I'd second.

2057
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,760
And then to clarify to move it to ASR

2058
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,840
beyond consent. Um

2059
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,920
>> second

2060
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,560
>> I be will we get a materials board at

2061
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,080
the same time as the story?

2062
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:45,840
>> Yep. Yeah. All that stuff is required as

2063
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,800
part of formal design review. Yep.

2064
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,920
>> Chair Lindseay.

2065
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:50,480
>> Yes.

2066
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:51,840
>> Vice Chair Comra.

2067
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,880
>> Member Delgavio.

2068
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,480
>> Yes. Member Sullivan.

2069
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,320
>> Yes.

2070
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,679
>> Thank you.

2071
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:10,629
>> Congratulations.

2072
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:11,920
Last but not least.

2073
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,320
>> Okay.

2074
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,159
>> Um, moving to the

2075
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:24,709
last project.

2076
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:28,550
» First and last question.

2077
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,440
Item five on tonight's agenda, 387 Moore

2078
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,199
Road

2079
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:43,350
and Diego is presenting.

2080
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,199
Hello and thank you. I will be

2081
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,679
introducing the project at 387 Moore

2082
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:51,280
Road for ASRB review. Uh for this

2083
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,520
conceptual design review project, the

2084
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,080
applicant is proposing to construct a

2085
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,080
new single family dwelling with a

2086
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,280
detached garage, an accessory structure

2087
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,000
and associated site improvements. Uh to

2088
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,840
give a quick background related to this

2089
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,159
project site, uh there were two previous

2090
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:11,120
iterations that went before the ASRB uh

2091
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,040
as well as the planning commission uh

2092
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,159
most recently in 2023. And as mentioned

2093
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,400
in the staff report, uh the applicant

2094
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,080
did not submit a complete building

2095
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,400
permit application from that previously

2096
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,120
approved project. Uh the building permit

2097
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,600
application has since expired. And as

2098
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,159
this project is a new design with uh

2099
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:31,760
significant changes to the building

2100
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,000
footprint uh from what was previously

2101
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,239
proposed and approved. Uh this project

2102
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,400
is being brought to the ASRB tonight as

2103
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,360
a new CDR. And uh as the planning

2104
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,520
director mentioned, uh there is one desk

2105
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,719
item related to this agenda item um

2106
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:50,080
labeled as desk item number five.

2107
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,679
Uh it's from the neighbor to the

2108
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:53,840
northwest of the project site. The

2109
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,920
adjacent neighbor states that given the

2110
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,960
locations of the proposed structures uh

2111
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,040
being near the other properties uh the

2112
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,719
applicant should look towards adding

2113
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,199
additional landscape screening between

2114
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:07,600
the residents at the project site and

2115
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,440
the nearby residents especially to the

2116
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:12,480
north and west. Uh should the board uh

2117
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,639
provide the recommendation to add

2118
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:16,960
landscape screening, uh staff would work

2119
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,719
with the applicant during the uh later

2120
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:21,040
stages of the design review uh to

2121
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,800
address this neighbor's request from the

2122
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:31,910
desk item.

2123
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,920
And for the property description, um,

2124
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,159
property size is 6.94 acres and is in

2125
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:42,159
the SCP5,

2126
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:43,920
uh, special conservation planning zoning

2127
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,639
district and it's accessed from Moore

2128
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:48,320
Road, a private road extending from

2129
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,199
Woodside Road to the northwest. A town

2130
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,199
designated stream corridor extends along

2131
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,120
the western side of the property and

2132
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,600
drains to Athen Creek. Uh the subject

2133
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,239
site is currently undeveloped and as you

2134
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,639
can see from that uh aerial photograph

2135
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:04,639
that the subject site is within that

2136
01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:07,360
scenic corridor and is also in close

2137
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:14,070
proximity to interstate 280

2138
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,239
and this is the topographic survey of

2139
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:18,560
that vacant lot.

2140
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,960
Uh and as noted in the SAF report, uh

2141
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,040
that clouded outline that you see on

2142
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,600
that upper portion of the lot is the

2143
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,400
building uh envelope restriction that

2144
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,040
the um applicants are restricted to as a

2145
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,840
result of that lot creation parcel um

2146
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:38,470
from 2014.

2147
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,480
And this slide here is the proposed site

2148
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,159
plan showing the locations of the

2149
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,639
proposed structure. You can see that the

2150
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:46,239
proposed main residence is in that

2151
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:50,080
northwest uh corner and uh the proposed

2152
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,560
detached garage and accessory structure

2153
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:58,229
are located east of that main residence.

2154
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,239
These next few slides are the proposed

2155
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,159
elevations. Uh starting with the main

2156
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:04,159
residence/dwelling.

2157
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,400
Uh the top shows the north elevation uh

2158
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,080
the uphill side. The bottom uh rendering

2159
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,320
shows the south elevation, the one

2160
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:18,390
facing uh Interstate 280.

2161
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,679
This uh is the east elevation for the

2162
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:24,560
proposed main residence

2163
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,960
and the bottom shows the west elevation

2164
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,040
uh also facing towards uh Interstate

2165
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:33,030
280.

2166
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,960
Uh these are the proposed elevations for

2167
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,800
that detached garage and accessory

2168
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,199
structure. And as noted in the staff

2169
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,280
report, the accessory structure uh

2170
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,280
currently does not qualify for an ADU

2171
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,320
because there is no u full bathroom. Uh

2172
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,639
but should uh the applicant want to

2173
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:51,840
create this uh into an ADU, uh they can

2174
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,000
work with staff during the later uh

2175
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,679
review

2176
01:33:55,679 --> 01:34:00,390
design review stages. Um

2177
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,560
although not required for conceptual

2178
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,800
design review uh for physical sample

2179
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,840
materials uh the applicant has provided

2180
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,040
digital uh samples uh so including that

2181
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,760
vertical wood sighting uh they have a

2182
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,560
split face limestone veneer stucco

2183
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,920
finish concrete retaining walls turtle

2184
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,159
glass which as noted in the staff report

2185
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:25,120
would uh better shield uh uh light

2186
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,120
emissions uh towards inner Interstate

2187
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,880
280 as well as painted steel uh and

2188
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,629
metal roofing.

2189
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,400
And these last couple slides are

2190
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,320
additional renderings provided by the

2191
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,159
applicant starting with uh additional

2192
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:45,270
renderings for that main residence

2193
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,199
and additional renderings for that

2194
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:51,280
detached garage and accessory structure.

2195
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,440
That concludes my presentation. Staff is

2196
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,600
happy to answer any questions. Uh story

2197
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,679
polls were installed at the site uh at

2198
01:34:57,679 --> 01:34:59,760
least 10 days prior to tonight's hearing

2199
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,639
date and the architect is also here in

2200
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:04,480
person to answer any questions. Thank

2201
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,560
you.

2202
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,199
>> Thank you. Any questions for staff?

2203
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:11,840
>> What was what did the house

2204
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:12,800
do we have?

2205
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,595
>> Sure, I can show that. Um

2206
01:35:15,595 --> 01:35:16,800
[snorts]

2207
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,000
>> yeah, there there was a couple

2208
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,760
iterations on it. I happened to work on

2209
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,480
them. Um they they were similar in kind

2210
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:25,520
of in terms of you know kind of

2211
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,400
placement and footprint u materials

2212
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,239
changed in a couple different iterations

2213
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:35,990
but I can show you.

2214
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,360
So the top uh image that you see here

2215
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,760
was the previously approved scheme of

2216
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,840
that 2018

2217
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,800
uh conceptual design project. I went

2218
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:50,560
back um with planning commission in 2023

2219
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,600
uh for uh project changes including a

2220
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,400
greeting exception as noted in the staff

2221
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,679
report and uh the one that's being

2222
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:02,560
presented tonight the new scheme is

2223
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,840
shown in this bottom um image below. And

2224
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,600
I think what you'll want to note is that

2225
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,159
with all of their designs, uh, one of

2226
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:13,600
the key factors, the noise from I280 and

2227
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,760
trying to design the building a way to

2228
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,000
where their outdoor recreational space

2229
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,280
was kind of shielded by different

2230
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,520
elements, but the architect can best

2231
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,229
speak to that. Yeah.

2232
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:30,639
Um in the previous iteration was was the

2233
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:34,080
planning commission step required the

2234
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,679
because of the amount of grading or

2235
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:36,400
gradient.

2236
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,159
>> Yeah, if I recall correctly the very

2237
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:39,920
first design did not require grading

2238
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,719
exception then they made changes um to

2239
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:45,360
where a grad exception was required. Uh

2240
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,920
so that was part of the approval of the

2241
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,910
second design.

2242
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,760
Um I we don't have those details at the

2243
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,440
conceptual level. The applicant can

2244
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:56,960
maybe give a guess if they think they

2245
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,400
might need a grain exception or not. We

2246
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:05,189
just don't have those details yet.

2247
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,679
Okay. Yeah. I think I'll wait till the

2248
01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:09,360
applicant's presentation. Any other

2249
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,360
questions of staff? No.

2250
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,280
>> No. Great.

2251
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,520
Um, that will move to the applicant's

2252
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,440
presentation. Welcome.

2253
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:22,320
>> Hi everybody. My name's Nick Miller.

2254
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:23,040
>> Red.

2255
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,070
>> Sure.

2256
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,719
» Oh, nice. Thank you.

2257
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:32,159
>> I'm used to that though. Yeah.

2258
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:35,440
>> Um, so I've been involved with this

2259
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:37,360
actually pre in the previous iterations

2260
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,639
as well. So I've been to the site a lot.

2261
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,960
I think I've gotten five ticks over the

2262
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,239
years there walking that site.

2263
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:48,080
Yeah, the weeds are really high there.

2264
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,480
Um,

2265
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:53,280
yeah, I'm the architect. Um, so it's a

2266
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,199
pretty challenging site. Uh, as you guys

2267
01:37:55,199 --> 01:37:57,840
can tell, it's obviously noise is a huge

2268
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,600
concern, but it's juxtaposed against the

2269
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,520
fact that the view is incredible. So,

2270
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,280
it's like the view is amazing out over

2271
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,639
280. So, we've gotten a noise consultant

2272
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:09,840
involved through the years, and

2273
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,840
generally what they always say is if you

2274
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,000
can block it with the building mass,

2275
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,520
that does a lot. Um, the interior spaces

2276
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,040
are different, but in terms of where you

2277
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,719
put the exterior spaces, that's kind of

2278
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,400
the challenge we had here. So, in the

2279
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,719
previous one that was approved, we

2280
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:27,040
actually enclosed an entire interior

2281
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,239
courtyard. Um, and then there was a

2282
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,000
number of reasons why the previous

2283
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,920
owners decided not to move forward with

2284
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,239
the project, but now with this

2285
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:38,000
iteration, we kind of changed the

2286
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,080
approach. So, we're trying to make sure

2287
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:41,840
that the outdoor space has a good

2288
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,960
connection, uh, down to the yard. Um, so

2289
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,440
with this design, uh, we've been able to

2290
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:51,440
orient it south, which has really great

2291
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,520
views, but one benefit of that is our

2292
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,560
bedroom wing can block out the closest

2293
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,199
part of 280.

2294
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:01,199
um which we were informed is is probably

2295
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:03,840
causing most of the noise concerns.

2296
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,159
We tried to not turn it so much that it

2297
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:07,760
felt like a giant wall, you know, as

2298
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,560
you're driving by on 280. Um so we kind

2299
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,000
of found a happy medium there, and

2300
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,760
that's what you're seeing in the design

2301
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,320
reflected here. Um

2302
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:21,280
okay, let's see what else. Um we tried

2303
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,520
to step the building, the roofs with the

2304
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,639
hillside. Uh there's enough slope to

2305
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:29,119
this where the back side of the building

2306
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:30,320
where the garage is is actually

2307
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:32,880
completely buried in the hillside which

2308
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,400
for me was actually kind of fun. It's an

2309
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,840
interesting feature. You essentially the

2310
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,360
hillside will look like it's spilling on

2311
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,119
as a green roof. And we carried that

2312
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,520
through into this standalone garage as

2313
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:42,880
well. So the the garage on the main

2314
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:46,768
house has a similar design element.

2315
01:39:46,768 --> 01:39:49,040
[snorts] Um because of the views uh

2316
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,600
glass is sort of inevitable for anyone

2317
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,600
who would be interested in in living

2318
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:57,119
here. So, it's um we thought by bringing

2319
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,440
that bedroom wing around and as well as

2320
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:02,400
trying to use this what they call turtle

2321
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:03,760
glass, but it's essentially it's

2322
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,560
reducing the glare. We thought that was

2323
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,694
the best way to try and mitigate that.

2324
01:40:09,694 --> 01:40:10,639
[snorts]

2325
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:11,280
Um

2326
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:12,880
>> you sorry.

2327
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:13,840
>> Yeah, go ahead.

2328
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:17,520
>> Could you expand on this specific

2329
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,679
sentence here associated with this? So I

2330
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:22,719
just want to understand when located 10

2331
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:26,400
ft above finish floor or facing 280 view

2332
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,159
corridor.

2333
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:30,000
>> Yes, that's kind of a carryover from

2334
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,679
what was previously approved and that's

2335
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:34,400
what had been suggested to us as some

2336
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,000
the best thing we could do to mitigate

2337
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:38,719
it. Um I could see an argument there

2338
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:42,000
could be on all of the faces facing 280

2339
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,840
perhaps it could be beneficial. Um yeah,

2340
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:46,960
I think that's something we would

2341
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:50,159
consider. Um,

2342
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:53,119
another thing to add on, uh, someone had

2343
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:54,880
commented the neighbor about screening

2344
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,800
trees, and we're 100% in favor of that.

2345
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,199
We we would like that as well. There's

2346
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:00,320
something kind of interesting about the

2347
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,239
site is all the neighbors are actually

2348
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:03,760
screened from the site just by the

2349
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,639
natural topography, but 280, everyone

2350
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:08,080
sees it as you're driving by 280.

2351
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,320
There's a lot of trees there. Um, but everyone will see this structure as

2352
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,629
they drive by on 280.

2353
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:19,990
» Yes.

2354
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,199
Okay.

2355
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:22,800
>> Uh, yeah, I think that pretty much

2356
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:28,790
covers what I wanted to make sure.

2357
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,350
» Yeah.

2358
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,080
» That that bedroom wing there. Yeah. So,

2359
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,840
what we're trying to do is uh we've

2360
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,679
nicknamed it the cenote, but if you go

2361
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:41,199
to the floor plan, we're trying to

2362
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,440
create a space down on the lower level

2363
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:45,679
that's kind of buried in there that will

2364
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:48,480
be really protected from sound. So,

2365
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,280
we're trying to offer one outdoor space

2366
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,040
that we know the decibb are going to get

2367
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,150
really low.

2368
01:41:55,150 --> 01:41:57,590
[snorts]

2369
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,199
Yeah, you kind of see it tucked in there

2370
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,800
in that view. Yeah.

2371
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:03,920
Okay.

2372
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,590
>> Any other questions?

2373
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,119
Oh, can I add one more thing?

2374
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:09,760
>> Sure.

2375
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,600
>> I just wanted to point out that we we

2376
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,760
actually left the driveway. We made sure

2377
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,199
the driveway could remain from the

2378
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:19,119
previously approved one. Um Jim Toby's

2379
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:20,960
here, but we we did a lot of work

2380
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,400
previously on trying to design the

2381
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,119
driveway, did the lease cut and fill.

2382
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:26,719
So, that was one thing that we wanted to

2383
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:28,159
make sure we maintained with this new

2384
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,990
design.

2385
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:33,119
Thank you.

2386
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,199
>> Thanks.

2387
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:38,159
Um, question for Jim actually. So given

2388
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:41,679
the distance between the main house and

2389
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:45,360
the current nonADU, but is encouraged to

2390
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:46,560
be an ADU.

2391
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,000
>> I'm sorry, I totally missed what you

2392
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,440
said. [laughter]

2393
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,960
So that the I think it's labeled uh show

2394
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:57,520
garage, but it has also has a not yet an

2395
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,040
ADU structure in it.

2396
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,320
>> So if it doesn't have a bathroom, then

2397
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,639
it's not an ADU technically. Um,

2398
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:05,040
>> I think his staff report was suggesting

2399
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,480
that could be a future discussion

2400
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,639
whether to make that a full ADU.

2401
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,159
>> Yeah, if it meets the definition of an

2402
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:12,719
ADU, then we can classify as an ADU.

2403
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:14,639
>> If it were, would that require a

2404
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,320
separate septic?

2405
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,920
>> No, that would be part of the original

2406
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,280
the overall septic system.

2407
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:19,760
>> Okay.

2408
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,119
>> So, regardless of what it is, if it

2409
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:22,560
turns into an ADU, it's an extra

2410
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,119
bedroom. So, we'd have to um enlarge the septic a little bit,

2411
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:28,480
>> but it wouldn't You're still going to

2412
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:29,920
bring everything to the same septic

2413
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,360
system. And there's plenty of room in

2414
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:31,840
the site.

2415
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:32,159
>> Okay.

2416
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:33,600
>> It's not like a lot of other projects we

2417
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,880
work on where fighting trying to find

2418
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,840
every little square inch. There's plenty of room on this site.

2419
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,159
>> Yeah. I was just wondering given the

2420
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:42,080
distance of that structure relative to

2421
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,520
the main structure, it's

2422
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:44,800
>> no problems at all. Okay.

2423
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,600
>> Yeah.

2424
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,600
>> Uh let's see.

2425
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,199
would say.

2426
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:52,080
>> Yeah.

2427
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,760
Right. Right on the verge of that.

2428
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:59,119
Yeah. Um it's probably 300 300 yards.

2429
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:01,040
Let's see. Oh, there's a dimension there

2430
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:01,679
actually.

2431
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:04,080
>> There it is. 334 feet.

2432
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,639
>> Yeah.

2433
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:09,280
[clears throat] 334 ft.

2434
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,840
>> Pretty pretty wide distance away.

2435
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,840
There's a little drainage ravine with a

2436
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,199
bunch of trees in the middle between the

2437
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,679
two where the um you know that area is

2438
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:20,080
not going to be touched at all. So it

2439
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,080
gives kind of it really separates the

2440
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,159
property in half almost with this

2441
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:31,750
natural feature.

2442
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,440
» We're trying to keep as many as we can.

2443
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,440
I think there's a cluster of three that

2444
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:37,119
get really close to the house and we're

2445
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:38,320
probably going to have to remove one of

2446
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,719
those, but the other ones will remain.

2447
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,679
Yeah,

2448
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:45,280
the area of the ravine won't be touched

2449
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:53,270
at all. It's all in a 35% area.

2450
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:57,030
Any other questions?

2451
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,159
I think for me the walking the site and

2452
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:02,719
standing in the story poles looking due

2453
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:05,679
south is 280 is

2454
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,960
there present. Um,

2455
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,960
uh, light emission is a big concern of

2456
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,840
ours in the residential guidelines and,

2457
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:16,320
uh, just don't know how those are going

2458
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,000
to reconcile each other. Scenic

2459
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:21,280
corridor, straight view to 280, a wall

2460
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,320
of glass. So, is turtle glass going to

2461
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:29,440
solve that problem or is it is it uh

2462
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:31,440
what we want to avoid is a beacon on the

2463
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:32,320
hill?

2464
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,199
>> Yeah, I understand. Um yeah, we I think

2465
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:37,280
we would be totally amendable to trying

2466
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:38,719
to reduce the amount of glass,

2467
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:40,960
>> right? Is it realistic to consider a

2468
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,040
lighting study to see what potential

2469
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:44,560
impact is?

2470
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,639
>> What would that uh encompass when you

2471
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:47,760
say lighting study?

2472
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,800
>> Um modeling the light emission from the

2473
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,679
house relative [snorts] to the distance

2474
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:57,520
280 is is probably

2475
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,440
over a half mile, I think.

2476
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,040
>> Yeah. I' I've never done that before,

2477
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:02,239
but we could look into it. Yeah.

2478
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:03,600
>> Yeah.

2479
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:04,880
So just, you know, I know you guys have

2480
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,159
looked at true gloss before. It's

2481
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:07,600
something I've seen on a lot of projects

2482
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,920
in Woodside and it does reduce the glare

2483
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:11,679
quite a bit. It might be something you

2484
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:14,480
can we can share maybe the specs of the

2485
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,880
um manufacturer that that demonstrates

2486
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:18,320
how much it reduces. I mean the whole

2487
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,560
point why it's called turtle glassass is

2488
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,239
my understanding is you know it was in

2489
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:24,480
an area where turtles in Florida

2490
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:26,159
>> they didn't they were worried that the

2491
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:28,320
light emissions might might disturb the

2492
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,560
you know the reproductive of the uh

2493
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,320
turtles they were migrating there and so

2494
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:33,840
they come up with this glass that really

2495
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,159
limited the amount of uh glare coming

2496
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:37,840
out of it. So that really made a big

2497
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:38,560
difference. So

2498
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,159
>> is that the origin of the name?

2499
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:41,388
>> That's my understanding. I've heard

2500
01:46:41,388 --> 01:46:44,480
[laughter] that's the story I've heard.

2501
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:46,159
>> Yeah. I just this is this is my really

2502
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,320
my only area of concern is just this

2503
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:50,719
potential impact [clears throat] of the

2504
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:52,560
light emission from this.

2505
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:54,080
>> Yeah, I I totally understand that

2506
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:55,600
concern. I think we could reduce the

2507
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,040
amount of glass. We could even also look

2508
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:59,040
at some louvers potentially that are

2509
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,480
screening it from that, you know what I

2510
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:02,400
mean? That would allow light in, but

2511
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:04,800
that might even be a benefit to the the

2512
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,239
project now that I'm thinking about it

2513
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:07,760
because it might help screen your view

2514
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:19,109
down to 280.

2515
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:21,199
I mean, if you're not really there's not

2516
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:22,560
neighbors.

2517
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,400
>> It might I mean, are is it Valley Road

2518
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,960
or is it like more the Stanford property

2519
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:28,239
over

2520
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:29,920
>> the linear accelerator is really far

2521
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,600
away, but it is that direction. Yeah,

2522
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,000
for sure. Stanford property.

2523
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,920
>> It's not the light's not going down to

2524
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:37,679
Valley Road right at the end of War

2525
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:38,719
Road, right? It's

2526
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:39,440
>> No, no, no,

2527
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:40,639
>> no. So it would be going

2528
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:41,920
>> it would only be going towards the

2529
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:42,719
Stanford property.

2530
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:44,880
>> The st the Lawler Ranch property, right?

2531
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,080
Yeah. So at this point

2532
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:47,440
>> Yeah. Lawler Ranch.

2533
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:50,159
>> Your name Stanford's going to take if

2534
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:50,880
they ever build.

2535
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,784
>> I don't know if it's in our lifetimes,

2536
01:47:52,784 --> 01:47:53,360
[laughter]

2537
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:53,679
>> right?

2538
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,119
>> I worked on that one for decades.

2539
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:57,920
>> So the light isn't really shining in the

2540
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:01,040
ne there are no neighbors do.

2541
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:02,159
>> Yeah, that's the interesting thing about

2542
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,000
the site. Yeah, it's really 280. That's

2543
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,119
what it is. It's

2544
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:06,480
>> You can see it right across the way the

2545
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,560
open patch. That's Stanford's property.

2546
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,040
Right. The L.

2547
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,440
Yeah.

2548
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,840
>> Okay. Any other questions?

2549
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,679
>> And I do have to say I know that it is a

2550
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,239
scenic quarter and so you don't want,

2551
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:26,480
you know, we don't really want the light

2552
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:28,400
and we've looked at other houses along

2553
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,320
here and I notice when I'm I'm driving

2554
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,119
from Sandfield to to Woodside, I keep

2555
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,520
looking and you really you're so busy on

2556
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:36,159
the freeway.

2557
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:39,040
>> Yeah. You're not going to see very much.

2558
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,600
I mean there are a lot of trees as well.

2559
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,360
>> I've done some dangerous things when I

2560
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:44,880
was done a lot of trees a number of

2561
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,280
years ago but there's still a good

2562
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,080
screening going on.

2563
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,600
>> There's quite a bit of screening. I know

2564
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,000
when I tried to look at houses there

2565
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,719
either get in an accident or Yeah.

2566
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:56,800
You're not really seeing.

2567
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,080
>> I've worked on this property for so many

2568
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,360
years. I keep wanting to look up there

2569
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,880
and I can't hardly find it when I'm

2570
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,159
driving on 280 myself.

2571
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:02,400
>> Yeah.

2572
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,920
>> So it is really hard to see.

2573
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,280
But yeah, Don, I think we're we're

2574
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:09,520
totally amendable to trying to reduce it

2575
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,080
somewhat and add some louvers. Something

2576
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,920
like that. I think could probably pretty

2577
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,920
easily solve.

2578
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,350
Okay, [clears throat]

2579
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,800
no more questions left. Uh move to uh

2580
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:24,960
public comment. So, any member of the

2581
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:27,760
public who's in the room or online who

2582
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,800
wishes to make comment on this proposed

2583
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,440
uh development, feel free to do so.

2584
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:34,719
There are no members of the public

2585
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:36,239
online.

2586
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:37,920
>> Who are the six people who are online?

2587
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,080
Just you guys. [laughter]

2588
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:43,119
>> Good to know.

2589
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:47,510
>> Um,

2590
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,440
» all right. The that would close public

2591
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,280
comment and uh board deliberation.

2592
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,440
Anyone wishes to sort of sum summarize

2593
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:57,920
their thoughts on this and next steps?

2594
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,560
Appreciate it.

2595
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,199
>> No comments for me. It's very nice

2596
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:05,760
project and being set way back away from

2597
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,440
the highway like that should be no

2598
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,760
issues.

2599
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,320
>> I think if we get the commitment to look

2600
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:13,840
at some of the light emissions that

2601
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,119
might create or stop from creating the

2602
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:19,280
beacon on the hill. I think it's a

2603
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:20,639
beautiful property. I think they've done

2604
01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:22,560
a wonderful job with the finishes and

2605
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,270
the architecture is beautiful.

2606
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,679
Well, I lived on Mor Road for 18 years,

2607
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:33,520
so I know that whole property and u it's

2608
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,000
a beautiful street. It's a gorgeous

2609
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,080
street. I think the design is gorgeous.

2610
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:40,800
It

2611
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,800
>> I think it's better than the original.

2612
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,239
I'm not sure if that was worse the

2613
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:47,600
original, but [laughter] I do like it a

2614
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,440
little bit better. definitely seems to

2615
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:51,600
you modernize it. Uh, you know, and the

2616
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,880
materials really do fit in side of the

2617
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:58,719
hill. Um, that, you know, the sandstone

2618
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:01,280
is just, you know, most of the time it's

2619
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:05,760
never going to. So,

2620
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,679
um, but I I like the project. I think

2621
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:09,840
that the more you can bury into that

2622
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,760
house, the less you're going to get.

2623
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,080
>> Green roofs are pretty special, too.

2624
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,679
Yeah,

2625
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:23,040
>> good. Um, yeah, I think it's a it's a grand project. Um, I do like fact

2626
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:25,199
taking an approach of trying to bury as

2627
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:26,800
much of the structure at the rear into

2628
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,000
the hillside. Um,

2629
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,080
we'll see whether it requires a grading

2630
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,199
exception or not. Um, terms of colors

2631
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:38,080
and materials, um, I have no no

2632
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,719
concerns. Um but I do think that

2633
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:43,440
lighting remains a concern and for that

2634
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:46,400
reason I'm going to add to the motion

2635
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,599
that um it does come back to the ASRB

2636
01:51:49,599 --> 01:51:51,760
even though story psy poles are

2637
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,480
installed and I think coming back to the

2638
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:57,119
ASRB with some sort of proposed solution

2639
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,199
um or at the very least that the problem

2640
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:02,639
has been looked at more methodically to

2641
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:04,400
understand what any potential impact

2642
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,679
there is given it's a scenic corridor.

2643
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:10,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we would just prefer

2644
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,679
if it either comes back or it doesn't

2645
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:13,760
come back with the recommendations.

2646
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:14,639
>> It's going to come back.

2647
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:19,109
>> Yeah. So, so

2648
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,360
» if it if it needs to go, so formal

2649
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,360
designer view will require a lighting

2650
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,480
plan. So, it'll identify the this

2651
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:29,360
particular exterior light fixtures um is

2652
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:33,599
what's provided. Um, and then the the

2653
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,840
comments I heard is that the applicant

2654
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,960
was commended for using uh materials and

2655
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,679
colors that blend in with the site um

2656
01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:45,119
and to uh partially bury build into the

2657
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,760
hillside for both structures.

2658
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,159
The applicant is recommended to look at

2659
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:52,560
light emission and ways to minimize

2660
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,199
light emission such as reducing the

2661
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:57,520
amount of glass using turtle glass

2662
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,840
throughout the project. Um to include

2663
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,948
the specifications

2664
01:53:01,948 --> 01:53:03,199
[clears throat] uh to identify the

2665
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,360
amount of lighting to be reduced, the

2666
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,840
light emission to be reduced um and to

2667
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,159
consider using louvers on some roll of

2668
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:13,920
the windows. And the applicant noted uh

2669
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,159
that in response to the desk item that

2670
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:18,639
we received that they would provide

2671
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:21,119
landscaping between the main residence

2672
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:22,960
and the northwest property line shared

2673
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,800
with 545 Moore Road. Um and then with

2674
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,800
that uh there was the comment to bring

2675
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,040
this back to the ASRB for formal design

2676
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,520
review. Um, if some type of planning

2677
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,280
commission entitlement is required, such

2678
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,840
as a grading exception, ASRB would make

2679
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:41,440
a recommendation to the planning

2680
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:42,880
commission at that time and the

2681
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:44,239
commission would take final action on

2682
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:45,520
the project.

2683
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,960
>> Just minor clarification on language for

2684
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:50,960
light emission. Um, I don't I don't

2685
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:52,719
think it's necessarily reduce. I think

2686
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:55,679
it's more control or direct light

2687
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:57,199
emissions.

2688
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:59,199
Um, because I do think the problem is

2689
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,840
pretty narrowly focused in specific

2690
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:02,560
directions.

2691
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,239
>> Great. No, that that's helpful.

2692
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:06,000
>> As far as the turtle glass too on the

2693
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,520
entire property, I don't know that it's

2694
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,760
necessary, but on the sides that would

2695
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,520
be most reflective,

2696
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:16,390
>> the ones facing the the

2697
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,440
» good have to say

2698
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:21,679
I mean from a digital standpoint of

2699
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:24,639
turtle cloud I mean they use them on a

2700
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:27,280
lot of like commercial buildings. One of

2701
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:34,480
the pictures you showed us um I mean it maybe get for light emissions

2702
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:37,760
it does make a difference but um from a

2703
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,360
science

2704
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,840
have the same

2705
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,870
most

2706
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,960
I don't force them to use turtle glass

2707
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,639
>> so I just want to but I would like to

2708
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:51,119
hear from the entire ASRB so I've heard

2709
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:53,520
to use turtle glass in some areas I have

2710
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:59,910
one member say no turtle glass

2711
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:01,199
» so I just want So

2712
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:02,400
>> it's got its own

2713
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:04,320
>> with a motion that should just be

2714
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,080
clarified in a second in the vote.

2715
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,639
>> I think it's I'll see if I can take a

2716
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:11,119
stab at refining it. So I think it's as

2717
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:14,080
part of the overall light emissions

2718
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:15,599
solution.

2719
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:19,280
Um if turtle glass can play a role in

2720
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:24,000
that effectively um then I think that's

2721
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,520
fine.

2722
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,840
And if Uber and other options help

2723
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:28,960
instead,

2724
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,119
>> yes, they can provide any they'll be

2725
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,719
coming back to the ASRB so they can

2726
01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:35,440
identify what they've done to look at um

2727
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,920
controlling uh the amount of emissions

2728
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,800
and a direction. I I'm not familiar with

2729
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,119
the properties of turtle glass enough to

2730
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:45,119
know whe

2731
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:46,719
I mean I think there it's designed too

2732
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:49,520
so birds don't fly into it much. Um but

2733
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,920
it's got this blue look to it. It's not

2734
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,880
the clear glass. I mean, unless it's

2735
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,960
been approved, but

2736
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,040
>> I think that's an aesthetic choice.

2737
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:01,280
>> Force an applicant to use a certain type

2738
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:02,159
of

2739
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:05,520
>> That's fair. Yep. It also helps that

2740
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,480
we're a,000 ft or more from anybody

2741
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,679
being with all the vegetation along 280,

2742
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:13,920
you're going to hardly see it. And if

2743
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,960
you were, you were talking about very

2744
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:18,480
long distance. This is not a

2745
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,320
neighborhood where you're 50 feet from

2746
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,159
your neighbor. The the distances are

2747
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,320
huge. And with a landscaping and so

2748
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:25,920
forth, it I just don't think it's much

2749
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,159
of an issue. Even the level of light

2750
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:30,560
emission at that distance is going to be

2751
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,920
staggeringly low. So I I think some of

2752
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,679
this has to do with the fact the site is

2753
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:38,960
so large and has a lot of natural slope,

2754
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,840
natural vegetation, and highways gotten

2755
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,760
major growth in the vegetation the last

2756
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,080
10 years. So a lot of those houses you

2757
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:47,760
just can't see anymore and they're going

2758
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,320
to continue to grow. So, I can't say

2759
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,320
it's really a huge hot button, but to be

2760
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:53,679
sensitive and aware of it would be

2761
01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:57,199
really appreciated.

2762
01:56:57,199 --> 01:57:00,629
>> I agree.

2763
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:04,560
» So, there's a we have the motion um to

2764
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:06,480
look at light emission control and

2765
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,960
direction. Um to consider using turtle

2766
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:12,400
glass uh facing the I280. Um include the

2767
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:14,400
specifications of any turtle glass being

2768
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,400
used to identify the light emission

2769
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:19,360
reduction. um to consider louvers and

2770
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,679
the applicant can also provide other

2771
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:24,639
ways that they may uh find best to

2772
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:28,080
control and direct the light emission.

2773
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:29,760
>> I'm trying to avoid us just simply

2774
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,280
approving turtle glass as a proposed solution.

2775
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:36,719
>> Yes, understood. and then noted that the

2776
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:38,960
applicant has agreed to install

2777
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:40,400
landscaping between the northwest

2778
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:44,320
neighbor at 545 Moore Road. Um, and to

2779
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,000
bring this back to ASRB for formal

2780
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,840
design review. Is there a motion?

2781
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,679
>> Be clear. I mean, even though the

2782
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:51,520
neighbor the desk item we received

2783
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:54,480
talked about postity, um, but the home

2784
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,760
is situated well within the setbacks,

2785
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,000
but there's no variance required here.

2786
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:00,880
>> That's correct.

2787
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:02,560
>> Okay.

2788
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,639
Is there a motion?

2789
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:07,840
>> I'll make a motion for that.

2790
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,950
>> Second,

2791
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:11,760
» Chair Lindsay.

2792
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:12,239
>> Yes.

2793
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:31,270
>> Vice Chair Comradhood.

2794
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:35,360
So, and I think that sight direction of

2795
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,280
the home. I mean, you're really just

2796
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,400
facing you're not facing the other

2797
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:44,070
directly.

2798
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:49,350
You're facing south.

2799
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:52,400
» There's a motion and a second. We have

2800
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:54,159
one. Yes.

2801
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:56,400
>> You second.

2802
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:59,520
>> But we are voting. I'm a yes.

2803
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,199
Well, I'm I'm a yes for it to come back

2804
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:03,119
to us and see what the solution is. Not

2805
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:05,360
that we've said that this is the demand.

2806
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:06,159
Correct.

2807
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:08,400
>> Correct. Suggestions. I would agree with

2808
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,280
that.

2809
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:12,960
>> Vicera,

2810
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,719
>> I would have approved it just to go to

2811
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:19,199
your department. So, I'm not quite sure

2812
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:20,719
how

2813
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:22,639
>> it's there's the motion that if you

2814
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:24,960
don't agree with that motion, then you

2815
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:28,080
can vote against it. Um, if you do agree

2816
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,000
with the motion, you can vote for it. If

2817
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,239
you like the project to move forward, if

2818
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:35,040
for instance, if we had a two- two vote,

2819
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,239
um, that would be a denial. Um, and the

2820
01:59:38,239 --> 01:59:40,000
project wouldn't move forward in that

2821
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,159
case. It would need to come up with some

2822
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:44,880
other Well, we'd have a we'd have to

2823
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:46,320
have a new motion. That motion would

2824
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:51,030
fail.

2825
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,280
» Yes. For me, and you're so you're the

2826
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,560
fourth vote. So we have three and then

2827
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,119
so you're just saying no or

2828
01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:00,560
>> that would not be my motion.

2829
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:03,199
>> Okay. So it's a three to one vote. So

2830
02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:07,669
that the motion passes.

2831
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:09,760
» Okay.

2832
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,480
Technicalities.

2833
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:14,400
>> So that completes this item. Um you'll

2834
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,080
receive a letter in the next day or two

2835
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:19,119
um outlining the next steps.

2836
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:22,080
>> Thank you. [clears throat] Thanks a lot.

2837
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:27,998
We'll be back. We'll see you soon. Yeah.

2838
02:00:28,008 --> 02:00:30,310
[cough]

2839
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,199
» Okay. Last last item of the agenda is

2840
02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:34,159
the director's report.

2841
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:36,080
>> Yeah. Just uh I'll just quickly note um

2842
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:37,520
you know with the director's report, one

2843
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:39,119
of the main highlights we talked about

2844
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:41,119
is just the number of units, [snorts]

2845
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:43,920
residential units being permitted. Um so

2846
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:46,400
in June there were two more ADUs. No

2847
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:49,760
single family dwellings permitted.

2848
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:53,840
uh through cycle 6 through June 2026,

2849
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:57,520
uh we have a total of 89 ADUs and a

2850
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:00,800
total of 36 single family dwellings uh

2851
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:04,400
permits issued. Um and I think we're

2852
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:06,239
poised in July probably to have at least

2853
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,639
three ADUs. Um but we'll run those

2854
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:12,470
numbers at the end of July.

2855
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,320
» Okay.

2856
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:16,400
is age when you give us a report can you

2857
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:18,960
isolate what are replacement structures

2858
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:21,119
don't add to our numbers versus what are

2859
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:22,560
actually empty properties that are

2860
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:23,199
actually adding

2861
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:24,639
>> they're all going to add to the numbers

2862
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:30,000
so the the HCD used to only count if

2863
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,760
you're well they did a couple things

2864
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:32,719
differently right

2865
02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:35,920
>> they counted permits that were final not

2866
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:39,599
issued and that if there was a a net

2867
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:42,320
zero then that wasn't counted but that

2868
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:43,679
has since changed

2869
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:46,880
So, as you may note that a significant

2870
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:49,040
increase the number of housing units

2871
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:51,599
that um need to be permitted. So, last

2872
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:55,840
cycle was in the uh low 60s um whereas

2873
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:59,920
now we're over 320 units. Uh and so

2874
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,080
they've changed the methodology and that

2875
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,880
is just strictly for permits issued. Um

2876
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:08,480
and those all count towards the the

2877
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:11,199
housing targets. So if we had 50 houses

2878
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:13,119
that are being torn down and replaced,

2879
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:14,480
we get credit for that.

2880
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:16,000
>> That's correct.

2881
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:17,520
>> And I mean, I think what we are seeing

2882
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,639
is that still with ADUs because a lot of

2883
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:22,080
the houses are already built on with

2884
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,880
houses and so we're seeing the vast

2885
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:26,880
majority of these things being new

2886
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,920
because we allow more ADUs now and we're

2887
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:31,599
changing rules for ADUs, making things

2888
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:35,280
more flexible for folks. So

2889
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:38,400
>> great. Thank you.

2890
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,239
This is it right.

2891
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:41,840
>> See you. Yes. See you in September.

2892
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:42,320
>> September.

2893
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:44,880
>> See you in September.

2894
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:47,840
>> All right. With that journ adjourn the

2895
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,960
meeting at 6:39.