RB for Monday, July 27th at 4:36
p.m.
Um, we don't quite know what's happening
with our our setup here with this.
Normally would be projecting the camera
in the room, but um not quite sure it's
but we've verified that screen sharing
works, so we're going to proceed with
the
Can I have roll call, please?
>> Chair Lindsay,
>> yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra,
>> member Delgavio,
>> yes.
>> Member Sullivan,
>> present.
>> And member Middleman is noted absent.
>> You just a reminder for anyone attending
in the room that uh there is a signup
sheet and if before you leave tonight,
if you could fill that out, uh we'd
appreciate it just to have a record of
attendance.
Um any changes to the agenda tonight?
>> There are no changes to the agenda.
However, you do have multiple desk
items. Um you have one desk item from um
member Middleman. Uh just indicating
that uh he'll have to miss some upcoming
hearings and that um he's just asking in
case someone want to consider him for
vice chair to not he would not be able
to serve as vice chair. Um the other
items are related to uh project items
number three, four and five and those
will be addressed with the
presentations. Okay. Thank you.
Um at this point I'm just invite anyone
in the room or online who wishes to make
a statement or comment on anything not
on tonight's agenda. You're welcome to
do so. Now for those online just raise
your hand and Julie will unmute unmute
you.
Hard to say unmute you.
>> We have no raised hands.
>> I see no one in the room. Um
consent agenda. Was there anything in
the consent agenda tonight? There was
one item.
>> Yes, there's um the minutes for June
15th. Anyone on the board have comment
they wish to
provide on those minutes. Otherwise, uh
we'll just entertain a motion to approve
them.
» I did not make a motion. [laughter]
>> I make the motion to approve.
>> I would second that.
>> Chair Lindseay.
>> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra.
>> Member Delgavio.
>> Yes.
>> Member Sullivan.
>> Yes. [snorts]
Okay, with that we move on to the uh
public hearing and the first item
tonight is 445 Whiskey Hill Road.
Sarah, I think it's you're up tonight.
>> Yes, thank you. Let me pull up the
plans.
» Okay. Um, great. Thank you. And I will
be introducing the project at
>> Sorry. I'm sorry. Just before this item,
we have to do the nomination of
>> Oh, yes. I jumped over that one. All
right. Sorry for that.
>> Um the item specifically is the
nomination for the role of vice chair.
Uh in town council meeting in May, I
believe it was. Um town council approved
a resolution on the consent agenda to
extend
a period by two years which the current
chair and vice chair could serve.
Um given that I'd like to nominate the
Christine Karma as to serve as vice
chair
um for the remainder of your current
term.
>> I would second that. If you didn't make
a motion, I would
>> I think that was
>> Chair Lindsay.
>> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra.
>> Yes. Unless
[laughter]
>> member Delgavio.
>> Yes.
>> And member Sullivan.
>> Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay. Sorry. Got that out of the way.
Um, moving back to the first item, 445
Whiskey Hill Road and Sarah's
presentation.
Okay.
So, I will be introducing the project at
445 Whiskey Hill Road. The project
includes the construction of a new
fitness accessory structure, a detached
accessory dwelling unit, an office
accessory structure, as well as a lap
pool and associated site improvements.
The project is approximately 4 acres and
it's in the RR zoning district. It's
located on Whiskey Hill Road, which is a
locally designated scenic road.
Uh the site is currently developed with
a single family main residence as well
as a detached garage and a swimming
pool. All of which are proposed to
remain on site.
The new structures are proposed in the
southern portion of the property or like
the rear of the property. So it's kind
of in this general location.
So [sighs] this I'll zoom in a little
bit. This first structure is a um office
slash lounge.
This one in the middle is a fitness
structure. And then this one is an ADU.
And then the new swimming lap pool is
this um
here adjacent to these new structures.
So, the structures will all have the
same architectural style and form. Um,
they'll all be less than 17 ft in
height, which is the maximum allowed for
accessory structures. The materials
include wood sophet roofing and stucco
exterior
and the shades in shades of brown and
beige.
Um, and the applicant has installed
story pools if you had a chance to go
and take a look at them. Um, and the
applicant is here as well for any
additional comments. But that concludes
my introduction and I'm happy to answer
any questions.
>> Thank you. Does anyone member of the
board have questions of staff?
>> Is that the color board down there?
>> Yes. Sorry. And yes, at the end of your
table there is the material board. Both
of those boards are for this project.
» Just had one question about the proposed
pay.
Is that flexible?
>> Um
it's a concept plan. So they are
removing some of the existing paved area
and kind of reworking it. So they are
reducing the amount that's that exists
today. Um,
yeah.
» Anyone else on the board questions? No.
>> No. [clears throat]
Wow. Great. Um, with that, we'll move
directly to
um the applicant's presentation if the
applicant wishes to present.
» Thank you, chair. I'm Eric Lungquist,
land use planning and permitting
consultant. Good to see you board. Thank
you for your consideration of this
conceptual review item. Thank you staff
for the presentation. Just a little bit
of administrative protocol. I was
formerly with Brody Group, now with Lone
Cypress Consulting. So you probably saw
a letter from them, but now under Lone
Cypress Consulting. As you can see from
the information presented to you
tonight, we took this a little bit uh
further than what would normally be
required for the concept review. We're
hoping ultimately the board directs
staff to consider administratively the
final design review so we can move
forward with construction more
expeditiously. We do believe that the
application meets all of the specific
code criteria as well as the policies
for the town of Woodside related to the
residential design standards. I have a
elaborate design team behind me. Um, so
I just want you to know that they're
available for um, any answers to any of
the questions you may have. Jim Toby's
here in the room with Lean Braze. We
have individuals from Northworks, the
architectural firm, and Hersh, the
landscape architectural firm, is also
here for any questions. So, I'll keep it
pretty simple. Um, but again, we do ask
for your consideration and direction to
staff for consideration of the final
design review board. And again, thank
you for your time. Appreciate it. Any
member of the board have questions of
the
>> applicant?
Just have one question.
» Oh yeah, I just have a question on
neighbor outreach. Have you talked to
the neighbors, showed them the plans?
>> We have limited neighbors. Uh yeah, the
Stamford's Equestrian Center surrounds
most of the parcel and then um there's
under common ownership most of the
parcels uh nearby. So, we have spoken to
the others that aren't associated with
this property.
>> Yeah.
» Um we met on site and uh talked a little
bit about briefly about um question I
was going to ask which was that the
these new structures depart somewhat
style and architecture
um from the existing home. I'm just
wondering if you could speak to a little
bit to that.
>> Sure. I can briefly and I believe Molly
with Northworks is also on the phone
that can speak to the architectural, but
we did we did study it. You you have the
colors and materials boards here in
front of you. What we're taking into
account from the existing home and
garage is the um the context of the the
buildings, the stucco and the metal seam
roof is drawing from the existing
architecture. And then you know albeit
there's slightly different vernacular
and form we're drawing the two together
by those features with landscaping and
all of the landscaping hardscape. Um
there is separation between the
buildings um quite a bit actually that
create further detraction from from the
architectural compatibility. Um but I
believe Molly is on the line to further
explain the study that's been done with
related to the architecture.
>> So I'll let her speak. Molly's just been
promoted to panelist, so she'll be
jumping on in just a moment.
» Molly, is there anything you'd like to
add to what Eric has shared?
>> Yes, just to echo what he said, uh the
thought was to match the material. So
even though the aesthetic might be
differing slightly, overall we're
feeling like it blends in well with the
existing conditions. and then really
melding that with the landscape as you
sort of go down that site. The new
buildings are about 11 ft in grade lower
than the the main house there and then
two additional feet lower as you
continue down that site. So, we're
really trying to keep a low profile
there but yet, you know, match the same
color as the Stuckco um as above. And
again, it's about 200 ft away. So, um we
felt like it was almost like a nice
natur um you know element in nature and
really trying to keep that within like
the tree and the landscape
>> and have you considered the stain grade
wood plank in this area with the fire
danger and that sort of thing and think
it's the best case scenario to use that
product?
>> Yes, we we're we are suggesting uh um a
product that would meet all the
standards
So on the materials board we have here
in the room there's uh
flagable flag stone where exactly is
that applied?
>> What what's the material?
>> It is the
» it's the upper right hand corner of the
board. Yeah,
» there's no signal on our end.
>> I I mistook. It's paving stones, not
flag.
>> Okay.
>> Um, any other questions from the board?
>> Back to my original question about the
proposed heating area. Um, are you
flexible with reducing that guidelines?
I realize you've reduced it from what
was there existed, but it's still above
what's allowed.
>> Hi, Jim Toby Lean. I can address that.
So, um, we actually worked closely with
staff to find out what was the original
pavement that's out there. Um, as you
know, the town allows basically a
grandfathering in of materials that are
over the allowable limit as long as
we're taking a 25% reduction in that
allowable number. So, that number we
worked closely with staff, figured out
what we're going to count, not count,
and that's how we ended up what we have.
So, as far as we're concerned at the
moment, and we'll obviously confirm that
with staff and planning, but we feel
like we're at that number that we that
is allowable by staff.
Cool.
Um Jim, sorry while you're standing, um
given the elevation of the proposed
leech field, [clears throat] these new
structures, you anticipate any
challenges?
>> We may have to do a little pumping, but
that's allowed. We have a we have a
brand new system going in the lawn area.
So that's that's we've already thought
that all the way through. We've actually
gotten the plans, a preliminary stuff
plan, so we should be just fine there.
>> Okay, cool.
Um yeah, I have no further questions.
>> Or do I?
>> Wow. Wow.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> We studied this still in question.
>> Um yeah, just so just to add to that for
Sage's benefit, I mean I think you know
with regards to the proposed material
pallet not escape just open up for
public if anyone else wants to speak.
>> Oopsie.
>> You know I'm rusty. Huh?
>> We haven't had a meeting.
Um yes. So wrapping up board to board
questions. So we open this point we open
up to uh the public for anyone who
wishes to comment on this project.
» For those online, please use a raise
hand feature if you'd like to make a
comment.
» And there are no raised hands.
>> Raised hands. And I see no one in the
room standing up. So, thank you, Sage,
for that reminder. Um, but I'll just
I'll add a few more notes. I think, and
I'm speaking on behalf of the board
here, I think as it pertains to the
materials pallet, I mean, we see
um complete compliance with the
residential guidelines, I think
structures overall modest in scale. Um
yeah, I think that's um I don't I don't
see any issues as it pertains to the
residential guidelines for this project.
Um we appreciate story polls were
erected. That certainly helps us um
better understand the relationship of
the structures to the site. Always a help.
Are there any comments? If not, um
didn't hear any recommendations. Uh so
just to summarize that, um it was noted
that the materials uh the selected
materials are consistent with the
residential design guidelines and that
the proposed structures are modest in
scale. Um and I did not hear any
recommendations for revisions. Uh so
with that um if there's a motion and
then you can determine if uh because
story polls have been installed it
should come back to ASRB or should
formal design review be completed with
staff. I'll just take a poll of the
board with regards to moving directly to
staff.
>> Yeah,
>> lots of nods.
>> Yeah, I think
>> so. Yes, the motion is to move to
formal. Is there a second to staff?
to second the motion.
>> Chair Lindseay,
>> yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra,
>> member Delgavio,
>> yes.
>> Member Sullivan,
>> yes.
Good. Thank you.
That was efficient.
Did you want to wrap that up, Sage, with
a comment about letter?
>> Oh, yeah. just uh the uh uh letter will
go out within the next day or two for
all those that participated in the
project. Um this decision is not
appealable as it still has to complete
the process with a formal design review.
>> Good. Right. Moving on to the next
items.
Uh that would be item
three, 192 Prospect Street.
Jillian is presenting.
» Hi [clears throat] everyone. I hope
you're all having a wonderful start to
your week. Um, this presentation is
going to include a brief overview of the
conceptual design review proposal uh to
complete a remodel and addition with a
basement to the existing main residence
located at 192 Prospect Street, a
renovation of the existing pool uh and
associated site improvements. Please do
note that the future formal design
review application is also going to
include a proposal to reszone this
parcel from its existing RR rural
residential zoning to residential R1
zoning. We have received three desk
items in conjunction with this proposal.
uh all our letters of support from
neighbors and uh associated community
members who have expressed uh that they
very much appreciate this design uh as
it's been presented here today.
Uh as a brief overview, the subject
property is about49 acres total and it's
located at the intersection of Prospect
Street and Albon Avenue. So it is within
the boundaries of a scenic corridor. The
site is currently developed uh with an
existing main residence which has met
the criteria for classification as a
historic resource under the California
Register of Historic Places, the
National Register for Historic Places,
and the Woodside General Plan. In
addition to the historic main residence,
the site does contain a number of
accessory uses and structures, including
a pool house, a workshop, a pool, and an
inrogress accessory dwelling unit.
Please note that none of the other
accessory uses on property do meet the
historic resource designation. So only
the house is classified as a historic
resource at this time.
>> Okay. Can you give us a quick uh
briefing on the difference in the zoning
and what the zoning?
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um so rural
residential properties uh typically have
a 3 acre minimum in conjunction with
their development. Um as we can see here
this property is considered uh under
size relative to those standards. Um and
if you look in a little bit more detail
on this slide um you can see uh the
setbacks delineated typically associated
with RR are shown in red here. Um and as
evident by this diagramming there's
actually no legal building parcel on
this property. The setbacks make it so
that no structure can actually legally
comply with the setbacks given the
existing zoning relative to the
dimensions of this property and the lot
size. Um there's some small variations
to between the amount of developable
total floor area, paved area, things of
that nature in conjunction between these
two parcels. that um the size of this
parcel would typically be more akin to
the R1 um property designation that
they're seeking in the resoning process.
>> So as we review it, you look at it
through the eyes of the revised zoning
to really look for compliance.
>> Yeah. So typically the reasonzoning
efforts are um you know they're a
modification to the um town's zoning map
which would be completed via the town
council and the planning commission. Um
so you guys don't necessarily need to
weigh in on the reszoning. We're just
kind of priming you to the fact that
this thing looks wacky and out of
compliance because they're seeking this
extra step um that would be ruled on at
the council phase. Um, so really the the
bulk of what you guys would be focusing
on today is the alignment of the design
with the residential design guidelines.
Um, just so that they don't get super
far into the process and find that the
house maybe was a concern all along and
now they've taken a lot of time for
something that you guys wouldn't have
enjoyed in the first place. So, um,
that'll be really the focus today of
what we're looking at is the design of
the home. And I just want to add that um
it's important to understand its
relationship to surrounding zoning. And
so on the north side of Prospect Street
in which this uh property is is a RR
zoning district. And once you go further
north, there's much larger properties
that meet the 3acre minimum lot size.
But if you look across the street to the
south um on Prospect Street, uh those
are much smaller properties that are
similar in size and shape to this
property and those are in an R1
district. So it's just kind of expanding
the district boundaries to include that
parcel.
>> Yeah. So Sage mentioned if you look
these parcels um you can see are
relatively can in size um and those are
all R1 zoned whereas this side of the
street is is R are currently
[clears throat]
um
>> sorry just close on that. So
historically uh nearby examples where
the zoning change was successful similar
request. Oh. Um,
>> yeah. I there's different we we've I
recall one property and then uh on
Greenways and so when you go like
halfway up Greenway Street from Alama
delas Pulgus, it's R1 zoning and the
properties about halfway up the street
got larger into 1acre parcels and they
were zoned to SR. One of the property
owners was right on that border and they
were in the SR district had a larger
lot. They proposed to split those lots
um but they had to reszone it to R1 to
do so. So they proposed the from the SR
proposed the R1 did the land division
and because it now met the minimum lot
size for R1 was able to build two houses
on that lot. That's one example. We
don't get a lot of these but um it's
kind of you know if this was in the
middle of a large zoning district it's
something
people call it spot zoning. not the the
right definition of spot zoning, but um
you want to be careful of doing that. In
this case, it does relate to the zoning
across the street.
>> Thank you. All right.
>> All right. Um so, just a quick a quick
overview of what's being proposed at
this time for you guys to look at. Um,
the applicant has proposed construction
of a new addition to the main residence
consisting two wings on the north facade
of the structure as you can see here in
yellow. Um, one of [clears throat] which
contains a basement. This lower one on
this uh sheet is where that basement is
proposed at this time. The applicant has
also proposed a complete demolition and
rebuild of this front porch here. Um the
front porch was actually a later
addition that's not a part of the
historic home. Um so demolition of that
portion wouldn't constitute destruction
of a historic resource because that in
of itself was not part of the historic
resource. Um
and they're also looking to do a slight
remodel of this pool. You can kind of
see that delineation between the uh
existing and proposed slight addition to
size but almost identical in footprint.
So minimal change to the land
disturbance there. Uh as mentioned,
there's going to be that proposal for RR
to R1 zoning which will shift our
standards for allowable TFA and paved
area a little bit if that does proceed.
Um just one brief thing to note as well.
Um, as you can see here, there is going
to be a need to seek some variances as,
uh, you know, we're working on an
existing building envelope and doing
some additions there. And even with the
reasonzoning, this house is going to
struggle to comply with the setbacks,
but it's further constrained by the fact
that it's a historic resource. So, we're
kind of working with what we've got
here. And um they're looking for some
variances to setbacks as well as to um
height in the front for that addition um
to work um through the constraints we
have from the historic resource.
Um the proposed main residence remodel
clearly distinguishes the existing
historic home which is characterized by
hip roofs and air appropriate colors,
materials and forms from the main
residence edition which are
characterized by gable roofs, darker
colors and distinct modern materials
such as corrugated roofing and aluminum
windows. Uh you can see between these
slides that the historic home um is
shown in these um white uh vertical
sidings and the additions are clearly
distinguished in darker colors with
these variable forms. Um this is
informed stylistically
um by both the Woodside residential
design guidelines and the state's
standards for the secretary of the
interior standards for the treatment of
historic properties and their standards
for rehabilitation of historic
buildings. There are clauses about
making them aesthetically divergent that
it's clear that you uh know which parts
are historic versus modern. um they did
do the extra mile work of engaging the
town historian at this conceptual design
phase. Our contracted historian does uh
believe that their design is in general
compliance with the secretary of the
interior standards relative to those
rehabilitation efforts for historic
resources.
Um here's our digital material board
that we have on file. is conceptual. So
they weren't required to submit
physicals at the time. But you can see
their materials are generally in
alignment with the Woodside residential
design guidelines uh even operating
under the constraints of deviating from
the historic uh structure for the
additions and maintaining the existing
character of the historic home.
We do have members of the 192 Prospect
team here in person. they uh are
available to give a presentation
shortly, but if you have any questions
for staff, more than happy to answer at
this time.
>> Thank you. Any member of the board have
questions of staff?
Okay.
Um with that, we'll move to uh the
applicants presentation.
Good evening, folks. Uh my name is Lim
Finnegan. I'm here tonight uh with my
wife Sam and we're the residents and the
owner of 192 Prospect Street. Uh I
suppose we bought this property to give
you a little background in 2023 of a a
man by the name of Jim Milton. Uh and he
was the one that convinced us Woodside
was the place where we should move to.
We have two young kids uh she a boy Dara
and a a daughter Anaita. So, we were
looking for a a neighborhood or a a
location that where our kids could walk
to school, a rural community. We grew up
in rural in the west of Ireland, and we
were looking for that location where we
could build our forever home. We believe
we found this location. So, I guess
that's why we're here today, uh, to try
to move this project forward. Uh, it's
taken a while to get to this point.
We're probably two years into it,
working with our design team and our and
the historian, U Bonnie, as well on this
project. But uh I don't really have much
to else to say like or to add to it like
you know I appreciate all your effort
and all the hard work you guys do like
you know and uh with that I can pass you
over to our design team like Peter Mason
is here and Virginia and they can answer
any probably technical questions that
you have about the property or the
minutiae but so with that just thank you
guys.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
Good afternoon. You're going to get two
of us today because as you've seen from
your packet, this is a very complex
project and um so we're going to tag
team on it and then we're going to still
tag team on the next project that's in
front of you which is also ours. So I'm
Virginia Dear and my husband Peter Mason
is the principal of Mason Architects. Um
I'm going to just frame this project a
little bit. Um I think some of you have
lived in town a long time just like us.
I've well Peter and I have been here 25
years and um in 2000 in about 2010 um I
served for two years on the general plan
task force and um which in fact came in
front of Peter when he was on the town
council and at that time uh two
very significant houses that qualified
for the national historic register were
demolished in town and there was a lot
of conversation
about how we preserve Woodid's historic
resources and um that resulted in um
policies written into the land use
element of the general plan um the
housing element of the general plan um
the historic resource element of the
general plan and um they all supported
the sorry I'm reading my notes but it's
helpful to me but you know the
preservation rehabilitation and the
adaptive reuse uh of properties like
this and structures like this. And um
some of those policies have actually
disappeared from our new housing element
in the general plan mainly because I
think we're now so focused on um you
know the numbers that we have to create
in terms of our housing stock. Um, but I
think we can all agree that the fact
that the Finnegan bought this
beautiful little house and they decided
they wanted to keep it and that it would
become the sort of um lynch pin of their
project. um is admirable because
actually what happened from there was um
that decision you know engendered a
multitude of challenges and um
Liam referred to the two years that he
spent that we've all spent on this
project. Um [snorts] the last year in
particular has been very intense because
we started a design that looked
different from this in fact and um
unfortunately we got we got shut down on
it because it didn't provide enough
differentiation between the historic
resource and the rest of the project.
And at that point um we decided that
we'd take a different approach and that
the um that the new addition would now
become part of the sort of compound of
the rest of the property and would
coordinate with those pieces and would
allow this historic resource at the
front of the property to shine. Um and
hopefully we've done that a little bit.
um [clears throat]
you you did read all about this probably
in the design narrative that we that we
sent to you. So you know what what I'm
talking about. I'm really just sort of
touching on a few important items. And
um Jillian has has very described very
well this idea that you know we
discovered also that we needed to
reszone the property because not only
was there no building envelope, it would
actually be very very difficult. This
house is very small. Um it's 1,600
square ft. Um [clears throat]
now obviously
there are parts of the world where that
is really considered not at all small
but we have um
there are only two bedrooms currently
and um with a growing family that's
really not um you know very practical.
So there were um design objectives here
that uh excuse me
dusty that we needed to meet for the
family and for a modern lifestyle.
Um [clears throat]
excuse me I am coughing.
I'm going to hand it over to Peter
because he can address the sort of
specific elements of the design uh that
you might have questions about. Um, and
I will just stay here and assist him in
that. So hopefully that was helpful.
» Uh, thank you very much for your
service. Really appreciate it. I was on
town council for 12 years and know
exactly what goes into both ASRB. I was
on ASRB for four and a half years. So I
know what goes into your job and I know
what goes into the to the town council's
job. Um, Shangri, you want to go with
the first one or Yuki?
So, this gives you an explanation a
little bit in terms of what and I forgot
my laser. Uh, as you can see, what what
Sage was trying to point out was that
the area across the street
um on the left hand side, left hand
side,
the ones on the So, that little that's
the same size as the lots across the
street. in it and having those
constraints to it just makes doing
anything with this house kind of
extremely difficult or impossible. Uh so
there's a bunch of little exceptions and
variances and that kind of stuff that
going to be part of the overall process.
Uh this is what we started off with. Um
on the left hand side was the existing
house. Um on the right hand that's the
existing house and then the right hand
side shows you you know how the overall
build buildout across the property is.
So we've we started off by doing the as
by doing a ADU and just to point out
working through this process we we kept
Sage and the planning department updated
as what we were planning in the overall
so that they were you know everybody
knew what we were doing. So when we got
to go, can you go to the next slide?
This shows you a little bit about what
the So the main the historic house is
actually was actually only 740 square
ft. It was a square structure. It was
built in 1887. It's probably one of the
first or the first house in Woodside. Um
and it was actually built before there
was a subdivision. So when they did the
subdivision, they did they pushed it to,
you know, minimum front step setbacks
and everything else. So that's was
there. The the um next thing that was
done was about 19
in the 20s 20s and 30s. There was a uh
front the porch was added in the 20s and
30s and then there's a section in the
back which was the bedroom wing.
um and it extended out and it was flush
with the front of the uh existing
historic structure. So, as part of the
process and working with Bonnie, the
historic consultant, we pushed the the
bedroom wing back about 5 ft. So, in the
first rendering, you saw how it it
accentuated this h the house itself as a
historic structure. The one in the back
isn't necessarily that the that and
the um bedroom wing
isn't historic. Um and so we were doing
the same thing we were doing with the
addition of the kitchen structure where
it has to be something different. So we
changed the siding, we changed the
windows, we did a bunch of other stuff
like that as well as pushing it back to
accentuate that.
the all the other development that we've
done on the site, we decided the kitchen
should be in keeping with that family
and that really allows it to
differentiate itself from the main from
the historic structure which we
personally think works pretty well. Uh
so what what we created is a little
village of similar structures as well as
accentuating the the main house.
Um
So, there's really two there's there's
really two additions we're making. One
is the one is the back portion is the is
the uh kitchen and the other one is the
uh master bedroom extension because the
house as it exists only has two very
small bedrooms and so we have two kids
with they have two kids they want you
know two bedrooms as well as a master
suite. So what we're trying to create
here is we're trying to take the
historic property and be have it become
a modern house in the way it works and
functions as a as a family house. Um
the addition to the the addition is for
the master bedroom is 500 ft and the
kitchen additions about 830. gets us to
somewhere around uh
20 something. We think 3,000 something.
Um
the renovation of the historic house has
to meet the requirements for the uh
United [snorts] States
uh restor you know historic secretary of
the interior standards for restorations
and that requires the difference in the
looks as well as what you can and can't
do to maintain the and and enhance the
um the historic property itself.
One of the problems with this house is
that it was built in 189 1887 and was
built out of redwood and the roof
framing is 2x4s
uh and they're way overstressed
uh to the point where they actually sag
uh within it as well as they have
absolutely no there's no seismic forces
in I mean there's no seismic
structural system at all which is one of
the things we also have to add here. So
when we were looking at the
um the front porch is not structurally
tied to the house itself and actually
has fallen down a couple of times and
been rebuilt and it's not historic in
any way. And so what we were looking at
doing was trying to get the house to
have get the structure of the roof to
deal with the lateral forces of the uh
of the way that's built. So, there's a
glass section that's reminiscent of what
the existing porch has. And then we
wanted to turn the entry to be off of
porch, off of uh Prospect and not off of
a crazy little stair that comes up to
the front of the house. Um, which
doesn't work very well in the rain and
all the other stuff. So, you know,
that's the basis of that.
Uh, we know
that this property has a lot of paved
area issues. um like everyone one does
uh as well as you know how you how we
tie everything together. So we've been
working with staff on the paved area and
we'll continue to do so as we move
forward but it's the paved area works in relation to the R1 zoning which is good. Um there was a question
in there about the fencing.
Um,
so the existing fence go back to the p the photos.
Yeah. So this is these are the on the
left hand side is the uh wooden fence
that exists
on the property and it's very similar to
the one that's across the street across
on on Prospect on Ab Albian.
And so there's a couple of corners where
it intersects with what's allowable for
a fence. And we do have a pool. So we
have to have a you have to have a
cohesive fence system for fence
enclosure.
So what we're doing is
uh we're moving we're moving the pool
equipment to a area
off to the side there. And what we're
trying to do is incorporate an enclosure
of that fence and the house so that it
becomes a a singular element. Um, and
that's what the idea here is. What we're
looking at doing is um
trying to keep either keep one do one of
two things. Either keep the fence
existing fence where it already is,
which is avoiding the trees, or um
dealing with an enclosure out on the
outside of it. So the one the the
elevation on the right hand side shows
the uh pulling the fence back to the
property line
um and then making it moving the the
existing fence back for a little section
of it to uh deal with the to deal with
the being on the property line. We'd
like to kind of keep it where it is, but
you know we can work around that. We'll
work with staff on that for the formal.
Uh there any questions? Oh, thank you,
Peter. Um, any member of the board have
questions of the app?
» Okay, great. [laughter]
>> Okay.
>> Actually, I do.
» So, um I I certainly understand the
spirit of the historical
u guidelines with regards to
differentiating old structures from new.
um you've taken it to an extreme here.
literally black and white and I'm just
curious if you could speak to a little
bit about your your thinking behind um
>> well there's there's two parts there's
two parts to that one is and if you look
at the if you look at the right hand
side of the structure where the where
the existing addition is on the right
hand that feels like it's part of the
house
uh and it kind of follows the follows
the historic thing and the in working
with Bonnie she said it really has to be
quite different.
Um, and the rest of the property we're
doing the sort of it's not black, it's
sort of a darker it's a darker brown.
And I think what it does is it helps to
delineate and show the separation of the
two of the two structures. Uh, so that
it really it really points out that the
house is special, the old house is
special and the rest of it falls. If you
look at that, if you look at that
elevation or the that rendering again,
it falls to the background.
>> The type of wood is that just a cedar?
>> Yeah, it's a cedar. It's a it's a dark
stained cedar.
>> Just a
Yeah, they're all all the all the rest
of the house buildings on the side are
>> so we really sort of wanted it to recede
actually. Um, and in addition to that,
it's really extraordinary when you read
the Secretary of the Interior, you know,
this long document they have that talks
about how you comply, they they show you
some extraordinary examples of what they
consider to be acceptable.
Um, you know, I mean, I can't say that I
really like them, but, you know, that's
what they want. uh they'll show you a
glass modern glass extension next to uh
you know a Victorian um structure you
know which is
that's what's required. So so we wanted
it to recede
>> and and we really wanted to be part of
an overall
site feel so that it it feels like it's
part of
>> it's another third component
>> another part of it so it's fitting
everything together.
I know it's not something that you often
see. [laughter]
So,
» well, part of the the roofs um
>> that's one of the things you have to do.
The the structural engineer was quite
clear that he felt that in the event of
an earthquake that the porch if it
wasn't actually connected better to the
building [clears throat]
that the porch could come off the
building and actually damage the
historic structure which is obviously
not something
>> it would be sort of like you don't want
that
>> still wagging the dog.
>> And in addition to that obviously this
is a residential use. It's not um it's
not just a little museum somewhere.
People are actually living in this. So
um it needs to be safe in that regard.
>> Oh, excuse me.
>> And the intent is to remodel the other
existing in addition to the ADU. The
other existing structures will be
remodeled.
>> No, they're already they're already
done.
>> They're the ADU is under construction.
>> Yep.
>> Uh the other two structures are
permitted already
and um this was the next step. Yeah,
they they aren't under construction, I
don't believe, but
>> Oh, yeah,
>> they will be shortly.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay. Any other questions?
Otherwise, uh move on. No.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Um with that, we open up to public
comment.
I remembered this time. So, anyone in
the room or online who wishes to make a
comment regarding this proposal, welcome
to do so.
>> As a reminder, for those online, use a a
raise hand feature if you'd like to make
a comment.
» There are no raised hands.
>> Okay. We did receive a number of desk
items in support of this project.
Um, good.
So, that close uh public hearing. Move
to board discussion. Anyone like to kick
us off?
>> Well, I I walked by this house a million
times and when it was in it shape and I
can work with them. It's just wonderful.
It fits in with that all the other
houses.
fits in with the house
and with all the
project
>> and totally commendable that you had to
go through what you've gone through for
two years.
» Bob,
>> yeah,
>> no particular comments beyond what's
already been brought up.
>> Good. Yeah, I think it's a fascinating
challenge. Um, I think uh the decisions
around the contrasting
aesthetics of the new construction
benefits from having all the additional
structures uh that'll be help bring it
in line. Um, yeah, I think it's quite an
elegant solution to this problem. I have
no concerns with regards to um
visibility from surrounding neighbors or
the street. I know that was um brought
up as a potential cons area of concern,
but none with mine and I'm I'm quite
happy moving this forward directly to
staff for formal. So this this doesn't
have story polls up. So it would
[clears throat] and part of the reason
is it requires all these additional
entitlements and so they wanted to put
story polls up when they're kind of
ready to go ASRB planning commission
council to minimize the time that story
polls need to be up. Are story poles
required as part of the reasonzoning?
There uh it's the what happens is all
the the project all at the end has to be
approved by the town council because
they have to take uh action on the
resoning. So you couldn't really say
approve the setbacks without the
resoning. So at the end of the day the
council will take final action on all
the entitlements. Um the SRP and
planning commission will be providing
recommending roles. Is it also town
council's responsibility to make take
any action regarding the fact that it's
a historical property?
>> Uh there's no special entitlement needed
for that. Uh the way that's kind of
really handled is through SQA. Um and so
by having a building that is consistent
with the secretary of in interior
standards, it could be exempt from SQA.
Um but there's no special entitlement
needed for it.
>> Okay.
>> Sage, is it possible to have uh planning
commission do formal
Uh it the way the code's set up is that
the ASRB has to see the story polls. Um
they could I mean at this point uh you
know we could bring it back if the ASRB
wishes on consent um to the ASRB and
then if there's any significant issues
brought up at that time uh it could be
pulled off consent. Uh [snorts] but in
according to the code without the story
polls it needs to go back to ASR.
Does anyone on the board have concerns
with regards to it? Um, going straight
to consent
>> to consent.
>> Yep. No.
>> Okay. All right. I think that's that's
uh our position.
>> Um Okay. So, what I've heard is uh the
applicant is commended uh for design
additions and remodels to the historic
home that uh fits well within the design
of the houses on Prospect Street. Um the
applicant is commended for working
closely with the project historian uh to
ensure consistency with the secretary of
interior standards and that um while
part of those standards require the
addition to be distinguished from the
main residence or from the existing
structure um those additions do tie into
other accessory structures on site
bringing kind of a cohesive design to
the entire project. Um, I didn't hear
any recommendations for changes. Other
than that, it was uh noted to move the
project to the ASRB for story polls on
consent and then after that it could
move on to planning commission and town
council.
>> I do think you want to add that they the
applicants have gone to a lot of
outreach and all the or at least the
neighbors around them are very
supportive.
» We can definitely include that. Um, so
with that, is there a motion and a
second?
>> Here.
>> Make a motion
>> in second.
>> Chair Lindseay.
>> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra. Member Delgavio.
>> Yes.
>> Member Sullivan.
>> Yes.
Great.
Thank you.
>> Yes.
Take a very short break.
Okay.
Sarah, you're presenting. Thank you.
>> Yes, thank you. Um, okay. I will be
introducing the project at 161 Fox Road.
The project includes the demolition of
an existing single family dwelling and
accessory structures and the
construction of a new single family
dwelling with an attached junior
accessory dwelling unit as well as an
attached accessory dwelling unit. Um ADU
I'll just keep I'll say ADU. Sorry. um a
detached garage with an ADU and another
uh detached ADU as well as a uh swimming
pool, tennis pavilion, building an
tennis court and associated site
improvements.
So, the property is in is in the RR
zoning district and it's about three
acres, just over three acres.
It's located off Fox Box Follow Road,
which is um extends off of Woodside
Road. It's currently developed with a
single family main residence and
accessory structures, all of which are
proposed to be demolished.
The new main residence will be located
in the same general area as the existing
residence. Um and the main residence
will include
um a J AU on the basement level. And
then this portion here is the attached
ADU.
The detached garage is proposed here
adjacent to the main residence and we'll
have an ADU above the garage.
And then the detached ADU is um down
here closer to the front of the
property.
Um, in front of the main residence will
be the sort of like outdoor recreational
uses which includes this lawn area, um,
a swimming pool. They also have a botchi
ball court here. And then also they're
proposing a tennis court here in this
location and the tennis pavilion kind of
right adjacent to it.
Uh there is um oops actually before I get
there um the existing driveway is
proposed to be uh removed and relocated.
So let me show you where the existing
driveway is. Go back. Sorry.
So the existing driveway is kind of
center in the property and it just kind
of extends straight in. So they're
removing that driveway.
um and relocating it to this kind of
corner of the property here. So,
there'll be new, you know, new driveway
and new parking and a new firetruck
turnaround.
um on this adjacent property over here
on this like right side of the screen.
Um so that's kind of like south of this
property there is a horse trail um and
an easement
that extends the entire length of this
property boundary.
And um we did take the project to the
trails committee at their July 9th
meeting um to review uh with the trails
committee to see if they had any
comments they wanted to um express um
kind of in uh relation to the proximity
of the tennis court to that horse trail.
So, the committee um had some concerns
about noise
um potentially about fencing
um
but overall they you know they gave
comments mostly concerned with potential
noise impacts.
I'm going to go to some elevations.
So, the main residence and the accessory
structures will all have the same sort
of architectural style and form, and
they'll all have flat roofs.
The main residence will be two stories
with a basement. Um, and it'll be about
24 ft in height.
And as I mentioned before, the detached
garage will have um an ADU above.
So that's uh this structure here.
The materials for all the structures
include wood panels, concrete, stucco,
um wood sun shade louvers, aluminum
windows and doors, and um some areas
with green roofs. And the color palette
includes you muted earth tones in shades
of brown, beige, and gray.
Uh they have not installed story poles
yet. Uh and we did receive a few desk
items. One was um an additional letter
of support from a um property owner, a
neighboring property owner. Um part of
the packet was a number of letters and
support for the project.
Um, a second desk item was a letter from
the geotechnical engineer um, just
describing some areas on site that have
35% slope and those areas being um,
man-made
and that was just in response to some of
the items called out in the staff
report. And then the last item was just
the summary comments from the trails
committee.
That um, that concludes my presentation
though and I'm happy to answer any
questions. Thank you, sir.
[clears throat]
>> Does anyone on the board have questions
of staff?
» Does ASRB get involved in conversations
about the horse trail and proximity to
some of these improvements or is that
really fall to staff and planning and
other folks not ASRB?
[clears throat]
>> The you know the ASRB looks at site
planning. So all aspects of site
planning are looked at. Um but that's
why we have you know a number of
different committees in town and you
know you have some comments from the
trails committee to consider. Um the
code the the reason this was brought
forward is that tennis courts could be
closer to a property line than
structures can. And so uh because the
tennis court is still further away than
what is the minimum required. Um but
both the applicant and staff agreed to
bring it to the trails committee and so
they have some input that you can
consider.
Sage, I think. Nick, can you clarify? If
it's a tennis court, it can be 30 feet.
>> It can beif
Yeah. So, just tennis courts, no other
types of sports course, but just tennis
courts can be as close as 15 feet to a
side or rear property line.
>> 15.
I that's something
I don't
I mean that doesn't have to
work. So to think that this is never
going to be a sport
is it's it doesn't it's
>> if if the town received a call um it
would be a code enforcement item
>> and they would have to remove it restore
with three children and you've got a bot
that you're probably going to have
lying.
>> I can't assume that. Um it's just this
is what's allowed and if they are going
to if someone designs something that is
well smaller than what a tennis court
is. Tennis courts have typical
dimensions. Um and if somebody shows us
something well smaller than that it's
clearly that you can't just put a label
of tennis court on it. Um and so but
that's what's being proposed and that's
what the code allows if people install
basketball hoops or change it to a
pickle ball court or something else. um
that would uh become a code enforcement
issue.
>> And how do we deal with the fact of the
horses being afraid of balls and fence
and carter that was created? Can you
answer how that's worked out?
>> Oh, sorry, I missed the first part.
>> Uh a couple of different things. One, I
had read that they there's a concern
obviously with the horses and the and
the tennis balls or pickle balls,
whatever they are. Um and that there's
also a fence situation where you'd
create a carter for the horses to be
afraid to walk down the corridor. What
how is that being?
>> So those are things that I I believe um
the applicant can probably best speak to
it, but I believe their goal is to
propose additional landscaping and again
they can correct me if I'm wrong. I
think they're still proposing open style
fencing um on that side. And so their
goal is to just kind of screen it,
provide more dense landscaping to help
minimize on the visual and noise impact.
>> Okay. Any any other questions? No. So
just question for me regarding attached
ADU. We've reviewed number of detached
ADUs that are with place within the
setback by state law. In the case of an
attached ADU, what are there different
guidelines?
>> Very similar as detached. So you can
still have So if you're attached, you
can hang over that setback that basic
setback line as long as no more than 800
square ft are going into that uh the
basic setback. So um yes and actually
the state has been quite clear on that.
>> Okay.
>> And how close do we get to the
neighboring property?
>> Have to double check. Not that's
proposed. Oh,
>> that's prop. Yeah. I mean you can be as
close as four feet to a side or rear,
but they're much further than that.
Okay.
Good. Thank you, sir.
>> I'll I can pull it up for you.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh 11
and a half ft roughly.
>> 17
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. I can't read even
though I have glasses on.
>> Okay.
177.
» Okay. All right.
Um thank you for that, Sarah. All right.
move to the uh applicants presentation.
» Okay. Um well, good afternoon, good
evening. Um uh I'd like to introduce
myself, um Hugo Bar, and my wife Laura
Griffiths, and we wanted to talk about
three things real quick. Uh one is who
we are and our family. Uh the second is
why we've chosen Woodside to build our
forever home. And the third is some of
the sort of functional and design things
that we've uh kept in mind um when
creating this home. Um so number one,
who we are. Um Hugo and Laura, we've
both been residents of the Bay Area for,
you know, a couple of decades. Um we
have three babies. Uh girl, boy, girl,
Anna, who's four and a half, uh Matteo
who's two, uh Alex, baby girl, who's uh
6 months. uh day after Friday Friday
this week and we are planning um fourth
and final um for maybe sometime uh late
next year is our thinking. So uh we'd be
um moving to Woodside with a lot of
little ones and we'll come back to that
in a second. Um, I wanted to talk about
why Woodside and maybe for that start
with Laura's story uh with Woodside,
which I think is worth hearing. Maybe
you real quick, my love.
>> Hi everyone. I'm Laura. I'm so excited
and unbelievably nervous to be here.
So, I just wanted to say a little bit
about my relationship with Woodside.
I've been coming to Woodside for I
realized when I was thinking about it,
think about talking about this today,
more than half my life at this point.
Um, so I moved here as an undergrad and
I discovered Hutter Park very early in
my first year as an undergrad and I
started coming here every single
weekend. So whether it was hot or cold
or raining, I'd go hike in Hutter Park
every single Sunday morning. I'd come
back to my car with my hands so cold I
couldn't even get back into the car
because I couldn't click the key. Um,
and it's just been my sanctuary. Um,
coming to Woodside has just been my
favorite place in the world for forever
now. Um, it's been where I've formed all
my most meaningful friendships. When I
was in business school here and I saw a
girl I like the look of, I would say
basically like, will you go on a date
with me and go hike in Woodside and like
see if we're going to be friends? Um,
the first thing I ever asked Hugo to do
with me was to go hike in Woodside.
>> Um, so it's just been a dream for me
forever to live here and I can't believe
we're actually here with the chance to
do it. Um, and I didn't know if it ever
would be a reality, but for more than
half my life, my hope has been to be
able to bring my kids here and build a
home where we could not just have our
family, but you know, we love the idea
of kind of a family compound and having,
you know, more of our family around us
and building a place that can be kind of
the real center of gravity both for us
and for our kids and for our grandkids
and for, you know, my parents and my
brother and Hugo's family and like all
the people we love just to, you know, to
the place people gather. And so, yeah,
I'm a little emotional talking about
this, but this has just been we bought
the property, we signed the offer on the
property. I think I was in labor.
[snorts]
And so, you know, this has just been the
culmination of, you know, nearly what, a
year and a half, two years of just
dreaming about what this house would be.
Um, so yeah, we're just unbelievably
grateful to be here today. So, thank you
for the time.
>> Thank you.
We tried a couple of times to um to buy
a property here in Woodside, but we
didn't manage to because the people were
paying a lot of a lot more money for
these things and but we finally made it.
Um the funny thing is that we said the
last thing we'll do is to build a house
because you know we have all these
little kids. We want to focus our time
in them and of course that's what we end
up doing is choosing to build a house.
Um, one thing that's really special for
us, and I think this is even for
Woodside residents, is quite unique of
this property, our kids can walk to
Woodside Elementary without crossing a
street once because it's literally like
on the same street block. So, um, so we
love that we have we we, uh, uh, part of
the process of me becoming a huge fan of
Woodside had to do with the fact that
probably at least a dozen of my close
friends, uh, already live here and have,
you know, uh, kids here. Our very next
door neighbor, David and Marielle, they
have five kids and our kids kind of
slide perfectly in between their ages.
So, we'll have, you know, sort of bigger
brothers and sisters and little ones for
all of them. Um and then everybody will
adopt our fourth hopefully. Um then the
third thing I want to talk about is the
things that we've wanted uh sort of we
had in mind for functional design
requirements for this house. We're both
engineers so functional requirements is
like a love language for us. Uh we both
grew up in in homes you know running
around uh with tennis courts. We both
played a lot of tennis uh you know at
like local fun level but al also
competitive level. Our daughter is
starting her tennis now. So, uh, tennis
is actually really, really important for
us. Um, we are pretty anti-pickle ball
and we're going to hammer that into our
kids' brains because tennis players do
not play pickle ball. Forgive me if I'm
personally offending anyone. Um and um
and uh we at any point in time probably
will have you know a set of you know
grandparents or siblings and their kids
hopefully not just staying with us but
with us for a long time which is the
reasoning behind uh our accessories u
sort of uh adus. Um what else? What am I
forgetting my love? Um, these are all
the main things, but we could talk for
the whole day about every little piece
of this house and why we thought about
it in this way.
>> Mom's an architect and my mom also did a
lot of architecture stuff. So, we're
just Yeah, we just want to build a
beautiful home that we can be in for
forever.
>> Yeah, the architecture style that we've
chosen um is spiritually uh u sort of an
honor to my mother.
>> Thank you.
We're back. [laughter]
>> Uh let me let me explain. Uh we are we
are uh the local architect for this
project. Uh the architect is a Brazilian
very famous Brazilian firm. Uh and it's
been a pleasure working with them. Uh
they have they do they do lot modern
houses. So do we. I mean so we have a
lot of we have a lot in common in terms
of what's going on. So, it's been it's
been a pleasure working with them. Uh,
you want to talk about
>> Yeah. Um, I'm I'm going to talk
immediately about the um equestrian
trail, Don, if that's okay. Because we
did attend the trails committee meeting.
Um, and when the tennis court was first
proposed, our clients um it was actually
closer, as Sage said, to the equestrian
trail than it is currently. It was
proposed to be closer. And when we um
when the team talked to our clients
about um how significant equestrianism
is in the town of Woodside, I mean I'm
an equestrian. My husband has been an
equestrian in the past and still owns a
horse mine. Um
they and we explained, you know, this
issue of, you know, noise
um activity potentially, you know, being
an issue for horses. Um the conversation
moved to let's move this tennis court
back as far as we can on the site given
that this actually is quite a steep site
and there is only the only flat area for
a tennis court is along that um southern
boundary. So, um, the team and with
permission from the owners, we moved it
back to the 30 ft. And an additional
conversation was had about, you know,
the possibility of putting uh replacing
the fencing with um solid fencing so
that horses wouldn't be spooked by
movement, noise, etc. But horses also do
not like this tunnel, the aspect of kind
of going into a tunnel. And so we
decided not to do that and have proposed
additional screening and in fact that
really did resonate with the trails
committee. They were actually very
thankful that we had that that was the
direction that we were going in here. So
the solution from from our point of view
is to put as much landscape screening in
that 30foot section as possible um to
mitigate the noise and to uh you know
mitigate any sort of activity issues. Um
really there is nowhere else on the site
for the tennis court to go. So
>> the vineyard part of this stopping
>> the vineyard is at the front of the
property. Yes. If you've dri if you've
been on the site or driven by the
vineyards at the front, but I that's
>> it's in it's in pretty bad shape. Yeah.
It doesn't it's
>> it's not really producing
>> it's not doing anything and it needs to
be
>> it pro it's going to be removed in fact.
So yes, you could pull you could pull
the tennis court further towards the
street, but again it's still going to be
up against that um that equestrian
easement. Um, so
I suppose you could say don't have a
tennis court, but I think that was
really one of the overarching goals that
our clients had when they when they
selected this property.
>> Thank you, Christie. [laughter]
Yes, exactly. So I guess the point
you're trying to make is that you know
we are here trying to work with we have
tried to work with the equestrian
community on this and um if there are
any other suggestions they actually had
no recommendations
at that meeting. Um we did ask Sarah
afterwards. So there were no
recommendations there were no
recommendations. If any recommendations
come forward that seem reasonable and
that we can accomplish we certainly
would do that. um but that but they seem
to be satisfied with it. Although you
know
equestrians you're on horseback it's
always a challenge.
» Okay. So I um the design itself if you
go to the first first couple renderings
uh well
you can you go to the to the tooth or
aerial views?
No. I go to the Yeah. Okay. So, this
kind of explains how the property works.
The existing house has absolutely no
relationships to its site. And I think
what the design team was trying to do
here was to create
uh one views from the house. So, it's
got kind of that lazy L that for looks
towards the western hills. And then out
in front of that is a lawn area that
then steps down a couple of feet to the
pool area and then down on down the
site. And then there's a big play area
down below. Uh sort of meadow slash,
you know, that kind of stuff. That's
also where the septic system is. Um
which needs to be reworked, you know,
given the number of bedrooms that are
encompassing the ADUs and the house
itself. Uh the other thing we tried to
do was expand on the by using green
roofs to limit the impact of the um of
the buildings out there and make it so
that it doesn't feel like it's a it's a
village of little buildings sitting all
over the place. So that's that's what
we're trying to do all over in all of
them.
Um, the other thing I was going to do
was kind of go over some of the comments
that came through on the on the staff
report.
So, one of those deals with the garage
heights and how that is and how it's
slightly over the TFA and that kind of
stuff. So, one of the issues with that
is that the walls that were d drawn on
the plans are a little bit too thick. So
we've we've deducted that down. And then
we've looked at the separation required
for the height of the uh ADU in
relationship to the property line. And
so we think both of those now are in are
in compliance with the both the area and
the setback of the way that the uh the
ADU steps back from the um steps back
from the from the garage below it. and
we'll work with the town to you know
assure that that's what happens when we
come back for formal
the next one is um slopes in excess of
35% you see here's an enlargement of the
area over where the garage is uh so one
of the things we're do first of all some
of this is is man-made but we're going
to limit the amount of grading we need
to do on that side by by can sort of
canaling the park that parking area in
particular off on the side.
Um,
Lauria CalS, we will work with the town
on uh floor area. Uh, we we think we're
in compliance with the general with the
floor area. Uh, the height we already
talked about, and the paved area, we'll
work with the town to make sure we got
the pipe area. Obviously, the biggest factor in the paved area is
the 7200 ft² and a tennis court,
but as Hugo explained, that's, you know,
really part of what their life wants to
be. So, we're going to pursue that a
little bit further.
And there are some things we can do to
cut down some of the paved area so that
it, you know, like the parking area
that's down by the down by that lower
ADU that can go into a green into a
grass
pavers type situation where it's, you
know, just the rings that create the
>> How much would that reduce you?
>> We can get it to within probably around
three and a half thousand
>> five
>> versus the five to six. Yeah.
But other than that, you know, we we're
>> well, one of one of the issues that's
actually occurring, you know, we all
know this with the the way in which the
um Cal Fire is now changing the codes
across California and requiring 5 foot
of um
>> nothing,
>> you know, paved area around around your
structure is actually I mean I have
brought this up to stage before but
actually that is actually
increasing the amount of paved area that
you need to have on your site.
>> It just says depends space rocks.
>> No. So well
>> they Yeah. So gravel's paved area
>> they'll
just finish. Let me finish explaining
please. The the fire district I know
prefers some type of hardscape material.
Um, but I do want to note that tomorrow
night, town council is uh on a second
reading of an ordinance um that is uh
poised to
uh uh exempt any gravel. Not if you have
paving like concrete or bricks or
something like that, it's still going to
count. It's like a patio like it would
have always counted, but if you need to
put gravel within 5 ft of your uh
structure, that that will be exempt from
our planetary exception. So, there's a
chance that some of that could apply
here. It it it it's already been through
its first reading. It's been through
planning commission. Um so, tomorrow
night is a second reading and if
adopted, it becomes effective in 30
days.
Gravel. [laughter]
>> Gravel. So it stays there. But
>> you don't like gravel. I know person.
Yes. Gravel. Gravel. And
>> any type of kind of loose material, a
nonbonded non-binding surface. Yeah.
>> So then by ADU1, that path that goes
between there and the office building
potentially. That's
>> it's just it's just the area that's
within 5T of the building.
>> Not that.
>> So this is specific to address the fire
>> district. There's definitely areas where
we can reduce the amount of paving. I
mean,
>> um, and and get it down. It's it's
there'll be a needling all the way
around a little bit in terms of where
you really need it and where you don't.
And that's one of the things we need to
work on.
>> And we'll work with staff.
>> One of the other issues that comes up is
that the more ADUs on that you have on
site, which the state wants, um, the
more you have to access them, right,
with paved area. So, um, you're in a
little bit of an awkward situation if
you actually max out the number of paved
of ADUs and you're not using, uh, the
primary driveway to access them. You
know, there's sort of constraints there,
too. So, it is quite complicated,
[laughter]
but we're working to solve it.
>> Any questions?
» Nope. Any questions? And then there's a materials board that reviewed.
So it's all
>> Yeah.
>> concrete wood
modern modern uh modern vernacular.
>> And would there be any consideration on
the ADU2 if the orientation of the
kitchenet went to the opposite direction
that it wouldn't get as close to the
setback?
>> And I don't totally understand the plan
100%. So forgive me. [laughter]
I mean there's there's other things
>> and I I'll just note they would just be
careful with the ADU considerations
>> but they they can it's something that
they can consider
>> plus the who is the Brazilian
>> Bernardis.
In fact, uh, Yugo was telling me that they um they were picking out
images of what they wanted and they kept
going to this architect. [laughter]
>> Oh, is that
>> and decided, well, we should hire them.
>> You guys,
>> okay,
>> cool.
>> Okay. Any other questions?
» All of mine were addressed.
>> Okay. Thank you.
the board for your service. I
appreciate it.
>> Okay, with that moving to public
comment. Any member of the public wishes
to make a comment regarding this project
can do so.
» There are no raised hands online.
>> Okay.
Just a second to see if anyone raises a
hand. No. All right. That close public
comment and move to board deliberation.
» Microphone.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you.
>> Yes.
>> Um I'm sure that they would consider
shades to track um the light shining out
onto the neighboring property on the
down side of the hill. Probably want
them anyway.
That's all I got.
>> Okay.
>> Covered it already. [clears throat]
>> Anyone on the board care to offer
comment with regards to specific
materials, design, color as it pertains
to the residential guidelines?
>> No, it looks very nice.
>> Absolutely.
>> How about you? Um yeah, I think that
it's exceptional project with regards to
design and the use of material. Um
I think hardscape will be a challenge. I
anticipate that. So um try to figure out
that solution. We'll see what the
outcome of the second reading is
tomorrow night. It have an impact on
that or create opportunities. Um,
>> and it looks like there only a couple of
coast little oaks that are in good
condition that may be removed. Numbers
15 and 16. Probably not by choice.
» Yes, we always uh note when a
significant number of trees are being
impacted by any project. Um, but all
comes down to the arborist report. Um,
vice chair camera thoughts? No, I mean
it's it's a gorgeous
>> really nice
>> I love the green.
I don't if it's really facing the the
glass is facing the western there really
aren't are there neighbors over I would
um so you keep yourself [laughter]
probably for your art you're probably
going to keep
no it's it's beautiful it's the thing I
would be interested in is seeing the
storage and letting the neighbors see
the story because I think couple of
height I'm still tired
what's allowable just make sure
>> we're working that
» okay okay
there um okay so what I've heard is uh
ASRB commends the applicant for the
proposed design and materials that are
consistent with the residential design
guidelines
um and that to work with staff to
minimize paved area and surface coverage
um and also story pole install ation
which will be required at the next
stage. Um and that will help uh for
neighbors and the ASRB visualize the
heights of the structures. Um so no
story plers are are installed. Um so
this would have to go back to the ASRB
for formal design review. Uh but is
there are there any other comments um
that I missed? Um like the earlier
project where we moved to have the story
poll or just move the item to consent
agenda. Did that apply here as well?
>> Yeah, you it can always apply.
» Okay.
» Sure.
>> Yep. But if the item is on consent and
we do receive desk items on that or
comments, we can pull it. Anybody a
member of the public can ask for it to
be pulled or the ASR any member of the
ASRB can pull the item for consent.
>> Let's move forward with that.
>> Okay. So, I have a motion uh based on
the uh recommendations that I've stated
and to move to ASRB for formal design
review. Um and is there a second?
» I'd second.
And then to clarify to move it to ASR
beyond consent. Um
>> second
>> I be will we get a materials board at
the same time as the story?
>> Yep. Yeah. All that stuff is required as
part of formal design review. Yep.
>> Chair Lindseay.
>> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Comra.
>> Member Delgavio.
>> Yes. Member Sullivan.
>> Yes.
>> Thank you.
>> Congratulations.
Last but not least.
>> Okay.
>> Um, moving to the
last project.
» First and last question.
Item five on tonight's agenda, 387 Moore
Road
and Diego is presenting.
Hello and thank you. I will be
introducing the project at 387 Moore
Road for ASRB review. Uh for this
conceptual design review project, the
applicant is proposing to construct a
new single family dwelling with a
detached garage, an accessory structure
and associated site improvements. Uh to
give a quick background related to this
project site, uh there were two previous
iterations that went before the ASRB uh
as well as the planning commission uh
most recently in 2023. And as mentioned
in the staff report, uh the applicant
did not submit a complete building
permit application from that previously
approved project. Uh the building permit
application has since expired. And as
this project is a new design with uh
significant changes to the building
footprint uh from what was previously
proposed and approved. Uh this project
is being brought to the ASRB tonight as
a new CDR. And uh as the planning
director mentioned, uh there is one desk
item related to this agenda item um
labeled as desk item number five.
Uh it's from the neighbor to the
northwest of the project site. The
adjacent neighbor states that given the
locations of the proposed structures uh
being near the other properties uh the
applicant should look towards adding
additional landscape screening between
the residents at the project site and
the nearby residents especially to the
north and west. Uh should the board uh
provide the recommendation to add
landscape screening, uh staff would work
with the applicant during the uh later
stages of the design review uh to
address this neighbor's request from the
desk item.
And for the property description, um,
property size is 6.94 acres and is in
the SCP5,
uh, special conservation planning zoning
district and it's accessed from Moore
Road, a private road extending from
Woodside Road to the northwest. A town
designated stream corridor extends along
the western side of the property and
drains to Athen Creek. Uh the subject
site is currently undeveloped and as you
can see from that uh aerial photograph
that the subject site is within that
scenic corridor and is also in close
proximity to interstate 280
and this is the topographic survey of
that vacant lot.
Uh and as noted in the SAF report, uh
that clouded outline that you see on
that upper portion of the lot is the
building uh envelope restriction that
the um applicants are restricted to as a
result of that lot creation parcel um
from 2014.
And this slide here is the proposed site
plan showing the locations of the
proposed structure. You can see that the
proposed main residence is in that
northwest uh corner and uh the proposed
detached garage and accessory structure
are located east of that main residence.
These next few slides are the proposed
elevations. Uh starting with the main
residence/dwelling.
Uh the top shows the north elevation uh
the uphill side. The bottom uh rendering
shows the south elevation, the one
facing uh Interstate 280.
This uh is the east elevation for the
proposed main residence
and the bottom shows the west elevation
uh also facing towards uh Interstate
280.
Uh these are the proposed elevations for
that detached garage and accessory
structure. And as noted in the staff
report, the accessory structure uh
currently does not qualify for an ADU
because there is no u full bathroom. Uh
but should uh the applicant want to
create this uh into an ADU, uh they can
work with staff during the later uh
review
design review stages. Um
although not required for conceptual
design review uh for physical sample
materials uh the applicant has provided
digital uh samples uh so including that
vertical wood sighting uh they have a
split face limestone veneer stucco
finish concrete retaining walls turtle
glass which as noted in the staff report
would uh better shield uh uh light
emissions uh towards inner Interstate
280 as well as painted steel uh and
metal roofing.
And these last couple slides are
additional renderings provided by the
applicant starting with uh additional
renderings for that main residence
and additional renderings for that
detached garage and accessory structure.
That concludes my presentation. Staff is
happy to answer any questions. Uh story
polls were installed at the site uh at
least 10 days prior to tonight's hearing
date and the architect is also here in
person to answer any questions. Thank
you.
>> Thank you. Any questions for staff?
>> What was what did the house
do we have?
>> Sure, I can show that. Um
[snorts]
>> yeah, there there was a couple
iterations on it. I happened to work on
them. Um they they were similar in kind
of in terms of you know kind of
placement and footprint u materials
changed in a couple different iterations
but I can show you.
So the top uh image that you see here
was the previously approved scheme of
that 2018
uh conceptual design project. I went
back um with planning commission in 2023
uh for uh project changes including a
greeting exception as noted in the staff
report and uh the one that's being
presented tonight the new scheme is
shown in this bottom um image below. And
I think what you'll want to note is that
with all of their designs, uh, one of
the key factors, the noise from I280 and
trying to design the building a way to
where their outdoor recreational space
was kind of shielded by different
elements, but the architect can best
speak to that. Yeah.
Um in the previous iteration was was the
planning commission step required the
because of the amount of grading or
gradient.
>> Yeah, if I recall correctly the very
first design did not require grading
exception then they made changes um to
where a grad exception was required. Uh
so that was part of the approval of the
second design.
Um I we don't have those details at the
conceptual level. The applicant can
maybe give a guess if they think they
might need a grain exception or not. We
just don't have those details yet.
Okay. Yeah. I think I'll wait till the
applicant's presentation. Any other
questions of staff? No.
>> No. Great.
Um, that will move to the applicant's
presentation. Welcome.
>> Hi everybody. My name's Nick Miller.
>> Red.
>> Sure.
» Oh, nice. Thank you.
>> I'm used to that though. Yeah.
>> Um, so I've been involved with this
actually pre in the previous iterations
as well. So I've been to the site a lot.
I think I've gotten five ticks over the
years there walking that site.
Yeah, the weeds are really high there.
Um,
yeah, I'm the architect. Um, so it's a
pretty challenging site. Uh, as you guys
can tell, it's obviously noise is a huge
concern, but it's juxtaposed against the
fact that the view is incredible. So,
it's like the view is amazing out over
280. So, we've gotten a noise consultant
involved through the years, and
generally what they always say is if you
can block it with the building mass,
that does a lot. Um, the interior spaces
are different, but in terms of where you
put the exterior spaces, that's kind of
the challenge we had here. So, in the
previous one that was approved, we
actually enclosed an entire interior
courtyard. Um, and then there was a
number of reasons why the previous
owners decided not to move forward with
the project, but now with this
iteration, we kind of changed the
approach. So, we're trying to make sure
that the outdoor space has a good
connection, uh, down to the yard. Um, so
with this design, uh, we've been able to
orient it south, which has really great
views, but one benefit of that is our
bedroom wing can block out the closest
part of 280.
um which we were informed is is probably
causing most of the noise concerns.
We tried to not turn it so much that it
felt like a giant wall, you know, as
you're driving by on 280. Um so we kind
of found a happy medium there, and
that's what you're seeing in the design
reflected here. Um
okay, let's see what else. Um we tried
to step the building, the roofs with the
hillside. Uh there's enough slope to
this where the back side of the building
where the garage is is actually
completely buried in the hillside which
for me was actually kind of fun. It's an
interesting feature. You essentially the
hillside will look like it's spilling on
as a green roof. And we carried that
through into this standalone garage as
well. So the the garage on the main
house has a similar design element.
[snorts] Um because of the views uh
glass is sort of inevitable for anyone
who would be interested in in living
here. So, it's um we thought by bringing
that bedroom wing around and as well as
trying to use this what they call turtle
glass, but it's essentially it's
reducing the glare. We thought that was
the best way to try and mitigate that.
[snorts]
Um
>> you sorry.
>> Yeah, go ahead.
>> Could you expand on this specific
sentence here associated with this? So I
just want to understand when located 10
ft above finish floor or facing 280 view
corridor.
>> Yes, that's kind of a carryover from
what was previously approved and that's
what had been suggested to us as some
the best thing we could do to mitigate
it. Um I could see an argument there
could be on all of the faces facing 280
perhaps it could be beneficial. Um yeah,
I think that's something we would
consider. Um,
another thing to add on, uh, someone had
commented the neighbor about screening
trees, and we're 100% in favor of that.
We we would like that as well. There's
something kind of interesting about the
site is all the neighbors are actually
screened from the site just by the
natural topography, but 280, everyone
sees it as you're driving by 280.
There's a lot of trees there. Um, but everyone will see this structure as
they drive by on 280.
» Yes.
Okay.
>> Uh, yeah, I think that pretty much
covers what I wanted to make sure.
» Yeah.
» That that bedroom wing there. Yeah. So,
what we're trying to do is uh we've
nicknamed it the cenote, but if you go
to the floor plan, we're trying to
create a space down on the lower level
that's kind of buried in there that will
be really protected from sound. So,
we're trying to offer one outdoor space
that we know the decibb are going to get
really low.
[snorts]
Yeah, you kind of see it tucked in there
in that view. Yeah.
Okay.
>> Any other questions?
Oh, can I add one more thing?
>> Sure.
>> I just wanted to point out that we we
actually left the driveway. We made sure
the driveway could remain from the
previously approved one. Um Jim Toby's
here, but we we did a lot of work
previously on trying to design the
driveway, did the lease cut and fill.
So, that was one thing that we wanted to
make sure we maintained with this new
design.
Thank you.
>> Thanks.
Um, question for Jim actually. So given
the distance between the main house and
the current nonADU, but is encouraged to
be an ADU.
>> I'm sorry, I totally missed what you
said. [laughter]
So that the I think it's labeled uh show
garage, but it has also has a not yet an
ADU structure in it.
>> So if it doesn't have a bathroom, then
it's not an ADU technically. Um,
>> I think his staff report was suggesting
that could be a future discussion
whether to make that a full ADU.
>> Yeah, if it meets the definition of an
ADU, then we can classify as an ADU.
>> If it were, would that require a
separate septic?
>> No, that would be part of the original
the overall septic system.
>> Okay.
>> So, regardless of what it is, if it
turns into an ADU, it's an extra
bedroom. So, we'd have to um enlarge the septic a little bit,
>> but it wouldn't You're still going to
bring everything to the same septic
system. And there's plenty of room in
the site.
>> Okay.
>> It's not like a lot of other projects we
work on where fighting trying to find
every little square inch. There's plenty of room on this site.
>> Yeah. I was just wondering given the
distance of that structure relative to
the main structure, it's
>> no problems at all. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh let's see.
would say.
>> Yeah.
Right. Right on the verge of that.
Yeah. Um it's probably 300 300 yards.
Let's see. Oh, there's a dimension there
actually.
>> There it is. 334 feet.
>> Yeah.
[clears throat] 334 ft.
>> Pretty pretty wide distance away.
There's a little drainage ravine with a
bunch of trees in the middle between the
two where the um you know that area is
not going to be touched at all. So it
gives kind of it really separates the
property in half almost with this
natural feature.
» We're trying to keep as many as we can.
I think there's a cluster of three that
get really close to the house and we're
probably going to have to remove one of
those, but the other ones will remain.
Yeah,
the area of the ravine won't be touched
at all. It's all in a 35% area.
Any other questions?
I think for me the walking the site and
standing in the story poles looking due
south is 280 is
there present. Um,
uh, light emission is a big concern of
ours in the residential guidelines and,
uh, just don't know how those are going
to reconcile each other. Scenic
corridor, straight view to 280, a wall
of glass. So, is turtle glass going to
solve that problem or is it is it uh
what we want to avoid is a beacon on the
hill?
>> Yeah, I understand. Um yeah, we I think
we would be totally amendable to trying
to reduce the amount of glass,
>> right? Is it realistic to consider a
lighting study to see what potential
impact is?
>> What would that uh encompass when you
say lighting study?
>> Um modeling the light emission from the
house relative [snorts] to the distance
280 is is probably
over a half mile, I think.
>> Yeah. I' I've never done that before,
but we could look into it. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
So just, you know, I know you guys have
looked at true gloss before. It's
something I've seen on a lot of projects
in Woodside and it does reduce the glare
quite a bit. It might be something you
can we can share maybe the specs of the
um manufacturer that that demonstrates
how much it reduces. I mean the whole
point why it's called turtle glassass is
my understanding is you know it was in
an area where turtles in Florida
>> they didn't they were worried that the
light emissions might might disturb the
you know the reproductive of the uh
turtles they were migrating there and so
they come up with this glass that really
limited the amount of uh glare coming
out of it. So that really made a big
difference. So
>> is that the origin of the name?
>> That's my understanding. I've heard
[laughter] that's the story I've heard.
>> Yeah. I just this is this is my really
my only area of concern is just this
potential impact [clears throat] of the
light emission from this.
>> Yeah, I I totally understand that
concern. I think we could reduce the
amount of glass. We could even also look
at some louvers potentially that are
screening it from that, you know what I
mean? That would allow light in, but
that might even be a benefit to the the
project now that I'm thinking about it
because it might help screen your view
down to 280.
I mean, if you're not really there's not
neighbors.
>> It might I mean, are is it Valley Road
or is it like more the Stanford property
over
>> the linear accelerator is really far
away, but it is that direction. Yeah,
for sure. Stanford property.
>> It's not the light's not going down to
Valley Road right at the end of War
Road, right? It's
>> No, no, no,
>> no. So it would be going
>> it would only be going towards the
Stanford property.
>> The st the Lawler Ranch property, right?
Yeah. So at this point
>> Yeah. Lawler Ranch.
>> Your name Stanford's going to take if
they ever build.
>> I don't know if it's in our lifetimes,
[laughter]
>> right?
>> I worked on that one for decades.
>> So the light isn't really shining in the
ne there are no neighbors do.
>> Yeah, that's the interesting thing about
the site. Yeah, it's really 280. That's
what it is. It's
>> You can see it right across the way the
open patch. That's Stanford's property.
Right. The L.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Any other questions?
>> And I do have to say I know that it is a
scenic quarter and so you don't want,
you know, we don't really want the light
and we've looked at other houses along
here and I notice when I'm I'm driving
from Sandfield to to Woodside, I keep
looking and you really you're so busy on
the freeway.
>> Yeah. You're not going to see very much.
I mean there are a lot of trees as well.
>> I've done some dangerous things when I
was done a lot of trees a number of
years ago but there's still a good
screening going on.
>> There's quite a bit of screening. I know
when I tried to look at houses there
either get in an accident or Yeah.
You're not really seeing.
>> I've worked on this property for so many
years. I keep wanting to look up there
and I can't hardly find it when I'm
driving on 280 myself.
>> Yeah.
>> So it is really hard to see.
But yeah, Don, I think we're we're
totally amendable to trying to reduce it
somewhat and add some louvers. Something
like that. I think could probably pretty
easily solve.
Okay, [clears throat]
no more questions left. Uh move to uh
public comment. So, any member of the
public who's in the room or online who
wishes to make comment on this proposed
uh development, feel free to do so.
There are no members of the public
online.
>> Who are the six people who are online?
Just you guys. [laughter]
>> Good to know.
>> Um,
» all right. The that would close public
comment and uh board deliberation.
Anyone wishes to sort of sum summarize
their thoughts on this and next steps?
Appreciate it.
>> No comments for me. It's very nice
project and being set way back away from
the highway like that should be no
issues.
>> I think if we get the commitment to look
at some of the light emissions that
might create or stop from creating the
beacon on the hill. I think it's a
beautiful property. I think they've done
a wonderful job with the finishes and
the architecture is beautiful.
Well, I lived on Mor Road for 18 years,
so I know that whole property and u it's
a beautiful street. It's a gorgeous
street. I think the design is gorgeous.
It
>> I think it's better than the original.
I'm not sure if that was worse the
original, but [laughter] I do like it a
little bit better. definitely seems to
you modernize it. Uh, you know, and the
materials really do fit in side of the
hill. Um, that, you know, the sandstone
is just, you know, most of the time it's
never going to. So,
um, but I I like the project. I think
that the more you can bury into that
house, the less you're going to get.
>> Green roofs are pretty special, too.
Yeah,
>> good. Um, yeah, I think it's a it's a grand project. Um, I do like fact
taking an approach of trying to bury as
much of the structure at the rear into
the hillside. Um,
we'll see whether it requires a grading
exception or not. Um, terms of colors
and materials, um, I have no no
concerns. Um but I do think that
lighting remains a concern and for that
reason I'm going to add to the motion
that um it does come back to the ASRB
even though story psy poles are
installed and I think coming back to the
ASRB with some sort of proposed solution
um or at the very least that the problem
has been looked at more methodically to
understand what any potential impact
there is given it's a scenic corridor.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we would just prefer
if it either comes back or it doesn't
come back with the recommendations.
>> It's going to come back.
>> Yeah. So, so
» if it if it needs to go, so formal
designer view will require a lighting
plan. So, it'll identify the this
particular exterior light fixtures um is
what's provided. Um, and then the the
comments I heard is that the applicant
was commended for using uh materials and
colors that blend in with the site um
and to uh partially bury build into the
hillside for both structures.
The applicant is recommended to look at
light emission and ways to minimize
light emission such as reducing the
amount of glass using turtle glass
throughout the project. Um to include
the specifications
[clears throat] uh to identify the
amount of lighting to be reduced, the
light emission to be reduced um and to
consider using louvers on some roll of
the windows. And the applicant noted uh
that in response to the desk item that
we received that they would provide
landscaping between the main residence
and the northwest property line shared
with 545 Moore Road. Um and then with
that uh there was the comment to bring
this back to the ASRB for formal design
review. Um, if some type of planning
commission entitlement is required, such
as a grading exception, ASRB would make
a recommendation to the planning
commission at that time and the
commission would take final action on
the project.
>> Just minor clarification on language for
light emission. Um, I don't I don't
think it's necessarily reduce. I think
it's more control or direct light
emissions.
Um, because I do think the problem is
pretty narrowly focused in specific
directions.
>> Great. No, that that's helpful.
>> As far as the turtle glass too on the
entire property, I don't know that it's
necessary, but on the sides that would
be most reflective,
>> the ones facing the the
» good have to say
I mean from a digital standpoint of
turtle cloud I mean they use them on a
lot of like commercial buildings. One of
the pictures you showed us um I mean it maybe get for light emissions
it does make a difference but um from a
science
have the same
most
I don't force them to use turtle glass
>> so I just want to but I would like to
hear from the entire ASRB so I've heard
to use turtle glass in some areas I have
one member say no turtle glass
» so I just want So
>> it's got its own
>> with a motion that should just be
clarified in a second in the vote.
>> I think it's I'll see if I can take a
stab at refining it. So I think it's as
part of the overall light emissions
solution.
Um if turtle glass can play a role in
that effectively um then I think that's
fine.
And if Uber and other options help
instead,
>> yes, they can provide any they'll be
coming back to the ASRB so they can
identify what they've done to look at um
controlling uh the amount of emissions
and a direction. I I'm not familiar with
the properties of turtle glass enough to
know whe
I mean I think there it's designed too
so birds don't fly into it much. Um but
it's got this blue look to it. It's not
the clear glass. I mean, unless it's
been approved, but
>> I think that's an aesthetic choice.
>> Force an applicant to use a certain type
of
>> That's fair. Yep. It also helps that
we're a,000 ft or more from anybody
being with all the vegetation along 280,
you're going to hardly see it. And if
you were, you were talking about very
long distance. This is not a
neighborhood where you're 50 feet from
your neighbor. The the distances are
huge. And with a landscaping and so
forth, it I just don't think it's much
of an issue. Even the level of light
emission at that distance is going to be
staggeringly low. So I I think some of
this has to do with the fact the site is
so large and has a lot of natural slope,
natural vegetation, and highways gotten
major growth in the vegetation the last
10 years. So a lot of those houses you
just can't see anymore and they're going
to continue to grow. So, I can't say
it's really a huge hot button, but to be
sensitive and aware of it would be
really appreciated.
>> I agree.
» So, there's a we have the motion um to
look at light emission control and
direction. Um to consider using turtle
glass uh facing the I280. Um include the
specifications of any turtle glass being
used to identify the light emission
reduction. um to consider louvers and
the applicant can also provide other
ways that they may uh find best to
control and direct the light emission.
>> I'm trying to avoid us just simply
approving turtle glass as a proposed solution.
>> Yes, understood. and then noted that the
applicant has agreed to install
landscaping between the northwest
neighbor at 545 Moore Road. Um, and to
bring this back to ASRB for formal
design review. Is there a motion?
>> Be clear. I mean, even though the
neighbor the desk item we received
talked about postity, um, but the home
is situated well within the setbacks,
but there's no variance required here.
>> That's correct.
>> Okay.
Is there a motion?
>> I'll make a motion for that.
>> Second,
» Chair Lindsay.
>> Yes.
>> Vice Chair Comradhood.
So, and I think that sight direction of
the home. I mean, you're really just
facing you're not facing the other
directly.
You're facing south.
» There's a motion and a second. We have
one. Yes.
>> You second.
>> But we are voting. I'm a yes.
Well, I'm I'm a yes for it to come back
to us and see what the solution is. Not
that we've said that this is the demand.
Correct.
>> Correct. Suggestions. I would agree with
that.
>> Vicera,
>> I would have approved it just to go to
your department. So, I'm not quite sure
how
>> it's there's the motion that if you
don't agree with that motion, then you
can vote against it. Um, if you do agree
with the motion, you can vote for it. If
you like the project to move forward, if
for instance, if we had a two- two vote,
um, that would be a denial. Um, and the
project wouldn't move forward in that
case. It would need to come up with some
other Well, we'd have a we'd have to
have a new motion. That motion would
fail.
» Yes. For me, and you're so you're the
fourth vote. So we have three and then
so you're just saying no or
>> that would not be my motion.
>> Okay. So it's a three to one vote. So
that the motion passes.
» Okay.
Technicalities.
>> So that completes this item. Um you'll
receive a letter in the next day or two
um outlining the next steps.
>> Thank you. [clears throat] Thanks a lot.
We'll be back. We'll see you soon. Yeah.
[cough]
» Okay. Last last item of the agenda is
the director's report.
>> Yeah. Just uh I'll just quickly note um
you know with the director's report, one
of the main highlights we talked about
is just the number of units, [snorts]
residential units being permitted. Um so
in June there were two more ADUs. No
single family dwellings permitted.
uh through cycle 6 through June 2026,
uh we have a total of 89 ADUs and a
total of 36 single family dwellings uh
permits issued. Um and I think we're
poised in July probably to have at least
three ADUs. Um but we'll run those
numbers at the end of July.
» Okay.
is age when you give us a report can you
isolate what are replacement structures
don't add to our numbers versus what are
actually empty properties that are
actually adding
>> they're all going to add to the numbers
so the the HCD used to only count if
you're well they did a couple things
differently right
>> they counted permits that were final not
issued and that if there was a a net
zero then that wasn't counted but that
has since changed
So, as you may note that a significant
increase the number of housing units
that um need to be permitted. So, last
cycle was in the uh low 60s um whereas
now we're over 320 units. Uh and so
they've changed the methodology and that
is just strictly for permits issued. Um
and those all count towards the the
housing targets. So if we had 50 houses
that are being torn down and replaced,
we get credit for that.
>> That's correct.
>> And I mean, I think what we are seeing
is that still with ADUs because a lot of
the houses are already built on with
houses and so we're seeing the vast
majority of these things being new
because we allow more ADUs now and we're
changing rules for ADUs, making things
more flexible for folks. So
>> great. Thank you.
This is it right.
>> See you. Yes. See you in September.
>> September.
>> See you in September.
>> All right. With that journ adjourn the
meeting at 6:39.