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RB for Monday, July 27th at 4:36

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p.m.

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Um, we don't quite know what's happening

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with our our setup here with this.

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Normally would be projecting the camera

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in the room, but um not quite sure it's

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but we've verified that screen sharing

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works, so we're going to proceed with

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Can I have roll call, please?

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» Chair Lindsay,

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» Yes.

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» Vice Chair Comra,

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» Member Delgavio,

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» Yes.

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» Member Sullivan,

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» Present.

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» And member Middleman is noted absent.

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» You just a reminder for anyone attending

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in the room that uh there is a signup

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sheet and if before you leave tonight,

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if you could fill that out, uh we'd

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appreciate it just to have a record of

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attendance.

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Um any changes to the agenda tonight?

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» There are no changes to the agenda.

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However, you do have multiple desk

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items. Um you have one desk item from um

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member Middleman. Uh just indicating

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that uh he'll have to miss some upcoming

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hearings and that um he's just asking in

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case someone want to consider him for

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vice chair to not he would not be able

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to serve as vice chair. Um the other

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items are related to uh project items

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number three, four and five and those

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will be addressed with the

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presentations. Okay. Thank you.

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Um at this point I'm just invite anyone

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in the room or online who wishes to make

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a statement or comment on anything not

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on tonight's agenda. You're welcome to

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do so. Now for those online just raise

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your hand and Julie will unmute unmute

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you.

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Hard to say unmute you.

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» We have no raised hands.

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» I see no one in the room. Um

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consent agenda. Was there anything in

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the consent agenda tonight? There was

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one item.

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» Yes, there's um the minutes for June

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15th. Anyone on the board have comment

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they wish to

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provide on those minutes. Otherwise, uh

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we'll just entertain a motion to approve

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them.

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» I did not make a motion. [laughter]

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» I make the motion to approve.

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» I would second that.

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» Chair Lindseay.

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» Yes.

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» Vice Chair Comra.

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» Member Delgavio.

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» Yes.

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» Member Sullivan.

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» Yes. [snorts]

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Okay, with that we move on to the uh

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public hearing and the first item

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tonight is 445 Whiskey Hill Road.

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Sarah, I think it's you're up tonight.

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» Yes, thank you. Let me pull up the

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plans.

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» Okay. Um, great. Thank you. And I will

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be introducing the project at

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» Sorry. I'm sorry. Just before this item,

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we have to do the nomination of

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» Oh, yes. I jumped over that one. All

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right. Sorry for that.

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» Um the item specifically is the

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nomination for the role of vice chair.

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Uh in town council meeting in May, I

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believe it was. Um town council approved

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a resolution on the consent agenda to

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extend

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a period by two years which the current

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chair and vice chair could serve.

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Um given that I'd like to nominate the

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Christine Karma as to serve as vice

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um for the remainder of your current

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» I would second that. If you didn't make

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a motion, I would

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» I think that was

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» Chair Lindsay.

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» Vice Chair Comra.

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» Yes. Unless

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» Member Delgavio.

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» And member Sullivan.

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» Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» Okay. Sorry. Got that out of the way.

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Um, moving back to the first item, 445

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Whiskey Hill Road and Sarah's

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presentation.

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So, I will be introducing the project at

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445 Whiskey Hill Road. The project

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includes the construction of a new

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fitness accessory structure, a detached

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accessory dwelling unit, an office

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accessory structure, as well as a lap

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pool and associated site improvements.

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The project is approximately 4 acres and

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it's in the RR zoning district. It's

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located on Whiskey Hill Road, which is a

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locally designated scenic road.

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Uh the site is currently developed with

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a single family main residence as well

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as a detached garage and a swimming

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pool. All of which are proposed to

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remain on site.

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The new structures are proposed in the

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southern portion of the property or like

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the rear of the property. So it's kind

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of in this general location.

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So [sighs] this I'll zoom in a little

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bit. This first structure is a um office

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structure. And then this one is an ADU.

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And then the new swimming lap pool is

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this um

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here adjacent to these new structures.

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So, the structures will all have the

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same architectural style and form. Um,

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they'll all be less than 17 ft in

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height, which is the maximum allowed for

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accessory structures. The materials

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include wood sophet roofing and stucco

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and the shades in shades of brown and

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story pools if you had a chance to go

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and take a look at them. Um, and the

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applicant is here as well for any

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additional comments. But that concludes

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my introduction and I'm happy to answer

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any questions.

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» Thank you. Does anyone member of the

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board have questions of staff?

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» Is that the color board down there?

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» Yes. Sorry. And yes, at the end of your

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table there is the material board. Both

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of those boards are for this project.

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» Just had one question about the proposed

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pay.

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Is that flexible?

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it's a concept plan. So they are

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removing some of the existing paved area

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and kind of reworking it. So they are

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reducing the amount that's that exists

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» Anyone else on the board questions? No.

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Wow. Great. Um, with that, we'll move

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um the applicant's presentation if the

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applicant wishes to present.

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» Thank you, chair. I'm Eric Lungquist,

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land use planning and permitting

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consultant. Good to see you board. Thank

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you for your consideration of this

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conceptual review item. Thank you staff

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for the presentation. Just a little bit

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of administrative protocol. I was

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formerly with Brody Group, now with Lone

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Cypress Consulting. So you probably saw

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a letter from them, but now under Lone

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Cypress Consulting. As you can see from

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the information presented to you

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tonight, we took this a little bit uh

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further than what would normally be

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required for the concept review. We're

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hoping ultimately the board directs

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staff to consider administratively the

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final design review so we can move

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forward with construction more

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expeditiously. We do believe that the

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application meets all of the specific

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code criteria as well as the policies

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for the town of Woodside related to the

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residential design standards. I have a

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elaborate design team behind me. Um, so

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I just want you to know that they're

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available for um, any answers to any of

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the questions you may have. Jim Toby's

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here in the room with Lean Braze. We

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have individuals from Northworks, the

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architectural firm, and Hersh, the

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landscape architectural firm, is also

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here for any questions. So, I'll keep it

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pretty simple. Um, but again, we do ask

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for your consideration and direction to

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staff for consideration of the final

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design review board. And again, thank

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you for your time. Appreciate it. Any

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member of the board have questions of

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» Applicant?

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Just have one question.

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» Oh yeah, I just have a question on

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neighbor outreach. Have you talked to

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the neighbors, showed them the plans?

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Stamford's Equestrian Center surrounds

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most of the parcel and then um there's

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under common ownership most of the

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parcels uh nearby. So, we have spoken to

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the others that aren't associated with

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» Um we met on site and uh talked a little

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these new structures depart somewhat

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style and architecture

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um from the existing home. I'm just

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wondering if you could speak to a little

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bit to that.

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» Sure. I can briefly and I believe Molly

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that can speak to the architectural, but

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we did we did study it. You you have the

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colors and materials boards here in

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front of you. What we're taking into

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account from the existing home and

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garage is the um the context of the the

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buildings, the stucco and the metal seam

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roof is drawing from the existing

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architecture. And then you know albeit

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there's slightly different vernacular

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and form we're drawing the two together

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by those features with landscaping and

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all of the landscaping hardscape. Um

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there is separation between the

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buildings um quite a bit actually that

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create further detraction from from the

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architectural compatibility. Um but I

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believe Molly is on the line to further

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explain the study that's been done with

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related to the architecture.

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» So I'll let her speak. Molly's just been

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promoted to panelist, so she'll be

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jumping on in just a moment.

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» Molly, is there anything you'd like to

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add to what Eric has shared?

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» Yes, just to echo what he said, uh the

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thought was to match the material. So

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even though the aesthetic might be

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differing slightly, overall we're

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feeling like it blends in well with the

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existing conditions. and then really

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melding that with the landscape as you

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sort of go down that site. The new

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buildings are about 11 ft in grade lower

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than the the main house there and then

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two additional feet lower as you

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continue down that site. So, we're

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really trying to keep a low profile

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there but yet, you know, match the same

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color as the Stuckco um as above. And

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again, it's about 200 ft away. So, um we

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felt like it was almost like a nice

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natur um you know element in nature and

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really trying to keep that within like

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the tree and the landscape

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» And have you considered the stain grade

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wood plank in this area with the fire

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danger and that sort of thing and think

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it's the best case scenario to use that

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product?

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» Yes, we we're we are suggesting uh um a

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product that would meet all the

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standards

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So on the materials board we have here

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in the room there's uh

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flagable flag stone where exactly is

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that applied?

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» What what's the material?

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» It is the

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» It's the upper right hand corner of the

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board. Yeah,

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» There's no signal on our end.

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» I I mistook. It's paving stones, not

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flag.

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» Okay.

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» Okay.

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» Um, any other questions from the board?

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» Back to my original question about the

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proposed heating area. Um, are you

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flexible with reducing that guidelines?

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I realize you've reduced it from what

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was there existed, but it's still above

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what's allowed.

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» Hi, Jim Toby Lean. I can address that.

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So, um, we actually worked closely with

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staff to find out what was the original

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pavement that's out there. Um, as you

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know, the town allows basically a

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grandfathering in of materials that are

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over the allowable limit as long as

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we're taking a 25% reduction in that

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allowable number. So, that number we

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worked closely with staff, figured out

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what we're going to count, not count,

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and that's how we ended up what we have.

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So, as far as we're concerned at the

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moment, and we'll obviously confirm that

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with staff and planning, but we feel

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like we're at that number that we that

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is allowable by staff.

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Cool.

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Um Jim, sorry while you're standing, um

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given the elevation of the proposed

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leech field, [clears throat] these new

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structures, you anticipate any

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challenges?

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» We may have to do a little pumping, but

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that's allowed. We have a we have a

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brand new system going in the lawn area.

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So that's that's we've already thought

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that all the way through. We've actually

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gotten the plans, a preliminary stuff

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plan, so we should be just fine there.

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» Okay, cool.

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Um yeah, I have no further questions.

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» Or do I?

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» Wow. Wow.

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» Yeah.

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» Wow.

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» We studied this still in question.

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» Um yeah, just so just to add to that for

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Sage's benefit, I mean I think you know

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with regards to the proposed material

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pallet not escape just open up for

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public if anyone else wants to speak.

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» Oopsie.

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» You know I'm rusty. Huh?

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» We haven't had a meeting.

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Um yes. So wrapping up board to board

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questions. So we open this point we open

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up to uh the public for anyone who

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wishes to comment on this project.

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» For those online, please use a raise

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hand feature if you'd like to make a

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comment.

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» And there are no raised hands.

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» Raised hands. And I see no one in the

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room standing up. So, thank you, Sage,

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for that reminder. Um, but I'll just

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I'll add a few more notes. I think, and

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I'm speaking on behalf of the board

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here, I think as it pertains to the

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materials pallet, I mean, we see

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um complete compliance with the

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residential guidelines, I think

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structures overall modest in scale. Um

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yeah, I think that's um I don't I don't

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see any issues as it pertains to the

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residential guidelines for this project.

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Um we appreciate story polls were

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erected. That certainly helps us um

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better understand the relationship of

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the structures to the site. Always a

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always a help.

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Are there any comments? If not, um

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didn't hear any recommendations. Uh so

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just to summarize that, um it was noted

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that the materials uh the selected

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materials are consistent with the

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residential design guidelines and that

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the proposed structures are modest in

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scale. Um and I did not hear any

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recommendations for revisions. Uh so

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with that um if there's a motion and

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then you can determine if uh because

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story polls have been installed it

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should come back to ASRB or should

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formal design review be completed with

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staff. I'll just take a poll of the

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board with regards to moving directly to

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staff.

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» Yeah,

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» Lots of nods.

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» Yeah, I think

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» So. Yes, the motion is to move to

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formal. Is there a second to staff?

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to second the motion.

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» Chair Lindseay,

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» Yes.

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» Vice Chair Comra,

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» Member Delgavio,

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» Yes.

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» Member Sullivan,

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» Yes.

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Good. Thank you.

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That was efficient.

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Did you want to wrap that up, Sage, with

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a comment about letter?

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» Oh, yeah. just uh the uh uh letter will

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go out within the next day or two for

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all those that participated in the

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project. Um this decision is not

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appealable as it still has to complete

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the process with a formal design review.

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» Good. Right. Moving on to the next

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items.

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Uh that would be item

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three, 192 Prospect Street.

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Jillian is presenting.

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» Hi [clears throat] everyone. I hope

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you're all having a wonderful start to

431
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your week. Um, this presentation is

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going to include a brief overview of the

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conceptual design review proposal uh to

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complete a remodel and addition with a

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basement to the existing main residence

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located at 192 Prospect Street, a

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renovation of the existing pool uh and

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associated site improvements. Please do

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note that the future formal design

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review application is also going to

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include a proposal to reszone this

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parcel from its existing RR rural

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residential zoning to residential R1

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zoning. We have received three desk

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items in conjunction with this proposal.

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uh all our letters of support from

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neighbors and uh associated community

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members who have expressed uh that they

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very much appreciate this design uh as

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it's been presented here today.

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Uh as a brief overview, the subject

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property is about49 acres total and it's

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located at the intersection of Prospect

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Street and Albon Avenue. So it is within

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the boundaries of a scenic corridor. The

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site is currently developed uh with an

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existing main residence which has met

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the criteria for classification as a

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historic resource under the California

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Register of Historic Places, the

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National Register for Historic Places,

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and the Woodside General Plan. In

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addition to the historic main residence,

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the site does contain a number of

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accessory uses and structures, including

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a pool house, a workshop, a pool, and an

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inrogress accessory dwelling unit.

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Please note that none of the other

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accessory uses on property do meet the

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historic resource designation. So only

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the house is classified as a historic

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resource at this time.

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» Okay. Can you give us a quick uh

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briefing on the difference in the zoning

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and what the zoning?

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» Yeah, absolutely. Um so rural

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residential properties uh typically have

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a 3 acre minimum in conjunction with

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their development. Um as we can see here

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this property is considered uh under

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size relative to those standards. Um and

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if you look in a little bit more detail

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on this slide um you can see uh the

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setbacks delineated typically associated

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with RR are shown in red here. Um and as

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evident by this diagramming there's

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actually no legal building parcel on

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this property. The setbacks make it so

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that no structure can actually legally

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comply with the setbacks given the

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existing zoning relative to the

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dimensions of this property and the lot

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size. Um there's some small variations

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to between the amount of developable

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total floor area, paved area, things of

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that nature in conjunction between these

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two parcels. that um the size of this

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parcel would typically be more akin to

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the R1 um property designation that

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they're seeking in the resoning process.

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» So as we review it, you look at it

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through the eyes of the revised zoning

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to really look for compliance.

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» Yeah. So typically the reasonzoning

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efforts are um you know they're a

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modification to the um town's zoning map

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which would be completed via the town

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council and the planning commission. Um

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so you guys don't necessarily need to

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weigh in on the reszoning. We're just

511
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kind of priming you to the fact that

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this thing looks wacky and out of

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compliance because they're seeking this

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extra step um that would be ruled on at

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the council phase. Um, so really the the

516
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bulk of what you guys would be focusing

517
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on today is the alignment of the design

518
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with the residential design guidelines.

519
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Um, just so that they don't get super

520
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far into the process and find that the

521
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house maybe was a concern all along and

522
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now they've taken a lot of time for

523
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something that you guys wouldn't have

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enjoyed in the first place. So, um,

525
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that'll be really the focus today of

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what we're looking at is the design of

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the home. And I just want to add that um

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it's important to understand its

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relationship to surrounding zoning. And

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so on the north side of Prospect Street

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in which this uh property is is a RR

532
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zoning district. And once you go further

533
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north, there's much larger properties

534
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that meet the 3acre minimum lot size.

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But if you look across the street to the

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south um on Prospect Street, uh those

537
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are much smaller properties that are

538
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similar in size and shape to this

539
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property and those are in an R1

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district. So it's just kind of expanding

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the district boundaries to include that

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parcel.

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» Yeah. So Sage mentioned if you look

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these parcels um you can see are

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relatively can in size um and those are

546
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all R1 zoned whereas this side of the

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street is is R are currently

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[clears throat]

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um

550
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» Sorry just close on that. So

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historically uh nearby examples where

552
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the zoning change was successful similar

553
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request. Oh. Um,

554
00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:58,400
» Yeah. I there's different we we've I

555
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:01,200
recall one property and then uh on

556
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Greenways and so when you go like

557
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,559
halfway up Greenway Street from Alama

558
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,559
delas Pulgus, it's R1 zoning and the

559
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:11,200
properties about halfway up the street

560
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,000
got larger into 1acre parcels and they

561
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,240
were zoned to SR. One of the property

562
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,840
owners was right on that border and they

563
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,840
were in the SR district had a larger

564
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:24,799
lot. They proposed to split those lots

565
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,559
um but they had to reszone it to R1 to

566
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:31,600
do so. So they proposed the from the SR

567
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:33,840
proposed the R1 did the land division

568
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,679
and because it now met the minimum lot

569
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,200
size for R1 was able to build two houses

570
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:39,039
on that lot. That's one example. We

571
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,360
don't get a lot of these but um it's

572
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,280
kind of you know if this was in the

573
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,960
middle of a large zoning district it's

574
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:48,640
something

575
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,880
people call it spot zoning. not the the

576
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,240
right definition of spot zoning, but um

577
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,919
you want to be careful of doing that. In

578
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,280
this case, it does relate to the zoning

579
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:58,880
across the street.

580
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,960
» Thank you. All right.

581
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,360
» All right. Um so, just a quick a quick

582
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,520
overview of what's being proposed at

583
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,080
this time for you guys to look at. Um,

584
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,559
the applicant has proposed construction

585
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,440
of a new addition to the main residence

586
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:16,000
consisting two wings on the north facade

587
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,320
of the structure as you can see here in

588
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,640
yellow. Um, one of [clears throat] which

589
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,039
contains a basement. This lower one on

590
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,760
this uh sheet is where that basement is

591
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:28,640
proposed at this time. The applicant has

592
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,840
also proposed a complete demolition and

593
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,279
rebuild of this front porch here. Um the

594
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,120
front porch was actually a later

595
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,919
addition that's not a part of the

596
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:39,600
historic home. Um so demolition of that

597
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:41,679
portion wouldn't constitute destruction

598
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,600
of a historic resource because that in

599
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:46,240
of itself was not part of the historic

600
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,480
resource. Um

601
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,559
and they're also looking to do a slight

602
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,120
remodel of this pool. You can kind of

603
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:55,600
see that delineation between the uh

604
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:58,720
existing and proposed slight addition to

605
00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,400
size but almost identical in footprint.

606
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,039
So minimal change to the land

607
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,200
disturbance there. Uh as mentioned,

608
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,919
there's going to be that proposal for RR

609
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,400
to R1 zoning which will shift our

610
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:14,559
standards for allowable TFA and paved

611
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:18,559
area a little bit if that does proceed.

612
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:21,360
Um just one brief thing to note as well.

613
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:24,559
Um, as you can see here, there is going

614
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:26,000
to be a need to seek some variances as,

615
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,600
uh, you know, we're working on an

616
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,679
existing building envelope and doing

617
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,279
some additions there. And even with the

618
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,120
reasonzoning, this house is going to

619
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:35,039
struggle to comply with the setbacks,

620
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:37,039
but it's further constrained by the fact

621
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,640
that it's a historic resource. So, we're

622
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,880
kind of working with what we've got

623
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,799
here. And um they're looking for some

624
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:47,919
variances to setbacks as well as to um

625
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:49,840
height in the front for that addition um

626
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:53,520
to work um through the constraints we

627
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:57,440
have from the historic resource.

628
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:59,360
Um the proposed main residence remodel

629
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,120
clearly distinguishes the existing

630
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,799
historic home which is characterized by

631
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,240
hip roofs and air appropriate colors,

632
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,000
materials and forms from the main

633
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,679
residence edition which are

634
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,200
characterized by gable roofs, darker

635
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:11,279
colors and distinct modern materials

636
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,760
such as corrugated roofing and aluminum

637
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:17,279
windows. Uh you can see between these

638
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:21,600
slides that the historic home um is

639
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:24,799
shown in these um white uh vertical

640
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,880
sidings and the additions are clearly

641
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:29,200
distinguished in darker colors with

642
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,279
these variable forms. Um this is

643
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,360
informed stylistically

644
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:35,440
um by both the Woodside residential

645
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,440
design guidelines and the state's

646
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,880
standards for the secretary of the

647
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,880
interior standards for the treatment of

648
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,720
historic properties and their standards

649
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,120
for rehabilitation of historic

650
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,840
buildings. There are clauses about

651
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,559
making them aesthetically divergent that

652
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:54,159
it's clear that you uh know which parts

653
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:56,320
are historic versus modern. um they did

654
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:58,720
do the extra mile work of engaging the

655
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,600
town historian at this conceptual design

656
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,520
phase. Our contracted historian does uh

657
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,200
believe that their design is in general

658
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,120
compliance with the secretary of the

659
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,039
interior standards relative to those

660
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:12,039
rehabilitation efforts for historic

661
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,039
resources.

662
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:16,720
Um here's our digital material board

663
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,080
that we have on file. is conceptual. So

664
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,320
they weren't required to submit

665
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,760
physicals at the time. But you can see

666
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,360
their materials are generally in

667
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,919
alignment with the Woodside residential

668
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:28,320
design guidelines uh even operating

669
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:30,720
under the constraints of deviating from

670
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,799
the historic uh structure for the

671
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,600
additions and maintaining the existing

672
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:38,080
character of the historic home.

673
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,400
We do have members of the 192 Prospect

674
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,679
team here in person. they uh are

675
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,600
available to give a presentation

676
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:45,360
shortly, but if you have any questions

677
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,520
for staff, more than happy to answer at

678
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,159
this time.

679
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:54,120
» Thank you. Any member of the board have

680
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:54,120
questions of staff?

681
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,679
Okay.

682
00:27:56,399 --> 00:28:03,240
Um with that, we'll move to uh the

683
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:03,240
applicants presentation.

684
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,559
Good evening, folks. Uh my name is Lim

685
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:14,799
Finnegan. I'm here tonight uh with my

686
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:18,000
wife Sam and we're the residents and the

687
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:19,360
owner of 192 Prospect Street. Uh I

688
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,559
suppose we bought this property to give

689
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,960
you a little background in 2023 of a a

690
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,799
man by the name of Jim Milton. Uh and he

691
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,960
was the one that convinced us Woodside

692
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:31,600
was the place where we should move to.

693
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:35,039
We have two young kids uh she a boy Dara

694
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,679
and a a daughter Anaita. So, we were

695
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:39,279
looking for a a neighborhood or a a

696
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:41,360
location that where our kids could walk

697
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,640
to school, a rural community. We grew up

698
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,399
in rural in the west of Ireland, and we

699
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,919
were looking for that location where we

700
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:48,240
could build our forever home. We believe

701
00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:50,320
we found this location. So, I guess

702
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,799
that's why we're here today, uh, to try

703
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,080
to move this project forward. Uh, it's

704
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,760
taken a while to get to this point.

705
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,399
We're probably two years into it,

706
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,720
working with our design team and our and

707
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:03,120
the historian, U Bonnie, as well on this

708
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,880
project. But uh I don't really have much

709
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,159
to else to say like or to add to it like

710
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,240
you know I appreciate all your effort

711
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:10,240
and all the hard work you guys do like

712
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,799
you know and uh with that I can pass you

713
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,559
over to our design team like Peter Mason

714
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,120
is here and Virginia and they can answer

715
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:18,399
any probably technical questions that

716
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,559
you have about the property or the

717
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,960
minutiae but so with that just thank you

718
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:21,520
guys.

719
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,520
» Thank you.

720
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520
» Okay.

721
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Good afternoon. You're going to get two

722
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,760
of us today because as you've seen from

723
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,320
your packet, this is a very complex

724
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,840
project and um so we're going to tag

725
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,600
team on it and then we're going to still

726
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,000
tag team on the next project that's in

727
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,480
front of you which is also ours. So I'm

728
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,799
Virginia Dear and my husband Peter Mason

729
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,039
is the principal of Mason Architects. Um

730
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,960
I'm going to just frame this project a

731
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,279
little bit. Um I think some of you have

732
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,679
lived in town a long time just like us.

733
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:07,600
I've well Peter and I have been here 25

734
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:09,919
years and um in 2000 in about 2010 um I

735
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:13,919
served for two years on the general plan

736
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:15,360
task force and um which in fact came in

737
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:20,399
front of Peter when he was on the town

738
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:24,240
council and at that time uh two

739
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:26,080
very significant houses that qualified

740
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,240
for the national historic register were

741
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,360
demolished in town and there was a lot

742
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,919
of conversation

743
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:39,679
about how we preserve Woodid's historic

744
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:42,559
resources and um that resulted in um

745
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:44,799
policies written into the land use

746
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,840
element of the general plan um the

747
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,840
housing element of the general plan um

748
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:53,840
the historic resource element of the

749
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,320
general plan and um they all supported

750
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,919
the sorry I'm reading my notes but it's

751
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,159
helpful to me but you know the

752
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:03,600
preservation rehabilitation and the

753
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:07,360
adaptive reuse uh of properties like

754
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:09,039
this and structures like this. And um

755
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,039
some of those policies have actually

756
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,960
disappeared from our new housing element

757
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:17,039
in the general plan mainly because I

758
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,960
think we're now so focused on um you

759
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:22,240
know the numbers that we have to create

760
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,159
in terms of our housing stock. Um, but I

761
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,000
think we can all agree that the fact

762
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:30,080
that the Finnegan bought this

763
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,679
beautiful little house and they decided

764
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,279
they wanted to keep it and that it would

765
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:37,919
become the sort of um lynch pin of their

766
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:41,840
project. um is admirable because

767
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:44,399
actually what happened from there was um

768
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:49,440
that decision you know engendered a

769
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:51,760
multitude of challenges and um

770
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Liam referred to the two years that he

771
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,399
spent that we've all spent on this

772
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,440
project. Um [snorts] the last year in

773
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:02,640
particular has been very intense because

774
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:05,440
we started a design that looked

775
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:10,240
different from this in fact and um

776
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:12,080
unfortunately we got we got shut down on

777
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,399
it because it didn't provide enough

778
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,440
differentiation between the historic

779
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:21,519
resource and the rest of the project.

780
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:23,919
And at that point um we decided that

781
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:28,640
we'd take a different approach and that

782
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:31,279
the um that the new addition would now

783
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,120
become part of the sort of compound of

784
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,840
the rest of the property and would

785
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,919
coordinate with those pieces and would

786
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,720
allow this historic resource at the

787
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:43,039
front of the property to shine. Um and

788
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,279
hopefully we've done that a little bit.

789
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:47,200
um [clears throat]

790
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,360
you you did read all about this probably

791
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,360
in the design narrative that we that we

792
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,640
sent to you. So you know what what I'm

793
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,840
talking about. I'm really just sort of

794
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,320
touching on a few important items. And

795
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,840
um Jillian has has very described very

796
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,600
well this idea that you know we

797
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,279
discovered also that we needed to

798
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,279
reszone the property because not only

799
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,799
was there no building envelope, it would

800
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,360
actually be very very difficult. This

801
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:11,919
house is very small. Um it's 1,600

802
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,919
square ft. Um [clears throat]

803
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:15,600
now obviously

804
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:17,360
there are parts of the world where that

805
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,679
is really considered not at all small

806
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,760
but we have um

807
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,679
there are only two bedrooms currently

808
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:29,360
and um with a growing family that's

809
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:31,840
really not um you know very practical.

810
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,360
So there were um design objectives here

811
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,240
that uh excuse me

812
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:41,840
dusty that we needed to meet for the

813
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,240
family and for a modern lifestyle.

814
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:47,519
Um [clears throat]

815
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,640
excuse me I am coughing.

816
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,240
I'm going to hand it over to Peter

817
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,559
because he can address the sort of

818
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,039
specific elements of the design uh that

819
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,120
you might have questions about. Um, and

820
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:03,559
I will just stay here and assist him in

821
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,559
that. So hopefully that was helpful.

822
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,120
» Uh, thank you very much for your

823
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,359
service. Really appreciate it. I was on

824
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,919
town council for 12 years and know

825
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:14,399
exactly what goes into both ASRB. I was

826
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:15,839
on ASRB for four and a half years. So I

827
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:18,079
know what goes into your job and I know

828
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:20,720
what goes into the to the town council's

829
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:23,679
job. Um, Shangri, you want to go with

830
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,079
the first one or Yuki?

831
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:28,639
So, this gives you an explanation a

832
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:32,399
little bit in terms of what and I forgot

833
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:34,320
my laser. Uh, as you can see, what what

834
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:37,359
Sage was trying to point out was that

835
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,960
the area across the street

836
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:43,200
um on the left hand side, left hand

837
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,119
side,

838
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,040
the ones on the So, that little that's

839
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,679
the same size as the lots across the

840
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,079
street. in it and having those

841
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,520
constraints to it just makes doing

842
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:57,119
anything with this house kind of

843
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,280
extremely difficult or impossible. Uh so

844
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,640
there's a bunch of little exceptions and

845
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,119
variances and that kind of stuff that

846
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:07,119
going to be part of the overall process.

847
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:08,960
Uh this is what we started off with. Um

848
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,560
on the left hand side was the existing

849
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,880
house. Um on the right hand that's the

850
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,119
existing house and then the right hand

851
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,920
side shows you you know how the overall

852
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,960
build buildout across the property is.

853
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,800
So we've we started off by doing the as

854
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,040
by doing a ADU and just to point out

855
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,200
working through this process we we kept

856
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,760
Sage and the planning department updated

857
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,359
as what we were planning in the overall

858
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,839
so that they were you know everybody

859
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:41,599
knew what we were doing. So when we got

860
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:43,599
to go, can you go to the next slide?

861
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:46,560
This shows you a little bit about what

862
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,599
the So the main the historic house is

863
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,640
actually was actually only 740 square

864
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:55,680
ft. It was a square structure. It was

865
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:59,599
built in 1887. It's probably one of the

866
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,599
first or the first house in Woodside. Um

867
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:04,320
and it was actually built before there

868
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:09,040
was a subdivision. So when they did the

869
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:10,880
subdivision, they did they pushed it to,

870
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,480
you know, minimum front step setbacks

871
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,400
and everything else. So that's was

872
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:19,920
there. The the um next thing that was

873
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:23,680
done was about 19

874
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,079
in the 20s 20s and 30s. There was a uh

875
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,079
front the porch was added in the 20s and

876
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,880
30s and then there's a section in the

877
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:33,280
back which was the bedroom wing.

878
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,680
um and it extended out and it was flush

879
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:39,760
with the front of the uh existing

880
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,480
historic structure. So, as part of the

881
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,119
process and working with Bonnie, the

882
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,400
historic consultant, we pushed the the

883
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,320
bedroom wing back about 5 ft. So, in the

884
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:53,760
first rendering, you saw how it it

885
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,920
accentuated this h the house itself as a

886
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,200
historic structure. The one in the back

887
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:04,720
isn't necessarily that the that and

888
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:08,800
the um bedroom wing

889
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:11,040
isn't historic. Um and so we were doing

890
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,800
the same thing we were doing with the

891
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,400
addition of the kitchen structure where

892
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,240
it has to be something different. So we

893
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,440
changed the siding, we changed the

894
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,000
windows, we did a bunch of other stuff

895
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,160
like that as well as pushing it back to

896
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,839
accentuate that.

897
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,680
the all the other development that we've

898
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:28,160
done on the site, we decided the kitchen

899
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,839
should be in keeping with that family

900
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,640
and that really allows it to

901
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:35,040
differentiate itself from the main from

902
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:38,079
the historic structure which we

903
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,079
personally think works pretty well. Uh

904
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,119
so what what we created is a little

905
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:46,400
village of similar structures as well as

906
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:49,400
accentuating the the main house.

907
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,400
Um

908
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,640
So, there's really two there's there's

909
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:03,280
really two additions we're making. One

910
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:06,400
is the one is the back portion is the is

911
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,240
the uh kitchen and the other one is the

912
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,560
uh master bedroom extension because the

913
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,720
house as it exists only has two very

914
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,720
small bedrooms and so we have two kids

915
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,640
with they have two kids they want you

916
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,160
know two bedrooms as well as a master

917
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,680
suite. So what we're trying to create

918
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,040
here is we're trying to take the

919
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:27,280
historic property and be have it become

920
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:32,640
a modern house in the way it works and

921
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:35,440
functions as a as a family house. Um

922
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,839
the addition to the the addition is for

923
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,720
the master bedroom is 500 ft and the

924
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:44,000
kitchen additions about 830. gets us to

925
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:49,040
somewhere around uh

926
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:51,920
20 something. We think 3,000 something.

927
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Um

928
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:58,960
the renovation of the historic house has

929
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:01,119
to meet the requirements for the uh

930
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,240
United [snorts] States

931
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,040
uh restor you know historic secretary of

932
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:08,880
the interior standards for restorations

933
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,200
and that requires the difference in the

934
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:15,200
looks as well as what you can and can't

935
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:19,520
do to maintain the and and enhance the

936
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:21,440
um the historic property itself.

937
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,599
One of the problems with this house is

938
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:27,760
that it was built in 189 1887 and was

939
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,960
built out of redwood and the roof

940
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,599
framing is 2x4s

941
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:37,760
uh and they're way overstressed

942
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:39,599
uh to the point where they actually sag

943
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,520
uh within it as well as they have

944
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:46,400
absolutely no there's no seismic forces

945
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,000
in I mean there's no seismic

946
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,240
structural system at all which is one of

947
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,359
the things we also have to add here. So

948
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:57,280
when we were looking at the

949
00:39:53,359 --> 00:40:01,359
um the front porch is not structurally

950
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,119
tied to the house itself and actually

951
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:04,960
has fallen down a couple of times and

952
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,440
been rebuilt and it's not historic in

953
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,160
any way. And so what we were looking at

954
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,480
doing was trying to get the house to

955
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,520
have get the structure of the roof to

956
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,200
deal with the lateral forces of the uh

957
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880
of the way that's built. So, there's a

958
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,680
glass section that's reminiscent of what

959
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,240
the existing porch has. And then we

960
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:28,160
wanted to turn the entry to be off of

961
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:30,240
porch, off of uh Prospect and not off of

962
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,240
a crazy little stair that comes up to

963
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,000
the front of the house. Um, which

964
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,560
doesn't work very well in the rain and

965
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,920
all the other stuff. So, you know,

966
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,480
that's the basis of that.

967
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,880
Uh, we know

968
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:49,520
that this property has a lot of paved

969
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:52,880
area issues. um like everyone one does

970
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,880
uh as well as you know how you how we

971
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,920
tie everything together. So we've been

972
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,599
working with staff on the paved area and

973
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,760
we'll continue to do so as we move

974
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:06,400
forward but it's the paved area works in

975
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,520
in relation to the R1 zoning which is

976
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,400
which is good. Um there was a question

977
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,160
in there about the fencing.

978
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,839
Um,

979
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:21,200
so the existing fence go back

980
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:24,400
go back to the p the photos.

981
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,960
Yeah. So this is these are the on the

982
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,960
left hand side is the uh wooden fence

983
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,920
that exists

984
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:34,079
on the property and it's very similar to

985
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:38,480
the one that's across the street across

986
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:40,480
on on Prospect on Ab Albian.

987
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,359
And so there's a couple of corners where

988
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,480
it intersects with what's allowable for

989
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:48,480
a fence. And we do have a pool. So we

990
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,960
have to have a you have to have a

991
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,640
cohesive fence system for fence

992
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:58,079
enclosure.

993
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:00,480
So what we're doing is

994
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,280
uh we're moving we're moving the pool

995
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,960
equipment to a area

996
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,520
off to the side there. And what we're

997
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,319
trying to do is incorporate an enclosure

998
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,920
of that fence and the house so that it

999
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:16,079
becomes a a singular element. Um, and

1000
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:20,240
that's what the idea here is. What we're

1001
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,560
looking at doing is um

1002
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:24,000
trying to keep either keep one do one of

1003
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,839
two things. Either keep the fence

1004
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,480
existing fence where it already is,

1005
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:32,640
which is avoiding the trees, or um

1006
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,200
dealing with an enclosure out on the

1007
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,200
outside of it. So the one the the

1008
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,720
elevation on the right hand side shows

1009
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,960
the uh pulling the fence back to the

1010
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,839
property line

1011
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,760
um and then making it moving the the

1012
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:50,800
existing fence back for a little section

1013
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,680
of it to uh deal with the to deal with

1014
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,440
the being on the property line. We'd

1015
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,040
like to kind of keep it where it is, but

1016
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,240
you know we can work around that. We'll

1017
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,960
work with staff on that for the formal.

1018
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,520
Uh there any questions? Oh, thank you,

1019
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:09,560
Peter. Um, any member of the board have

1020
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,560
questions of the app?

1021
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:14,880
» Okay, great. [laughter]

1022
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,520
» Okay.

1023
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,520
» Actually, I do.

1024
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,240
» So, um I I certainly understand the

1025
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,079
spirit of the historical

1026
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:28,960
u guidelines with regards to

1027
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:32,000
differentiating old structures from new.

1028
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,160
um you've taken it to an extreme here.

1029
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,000
literally black and white and I'm just

1030
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,680
curious if you could speak to a little

1031
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,040
bit about your your thinking behind um

1032
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,920
» Well there's there's two parts there's

1033
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,200
two parts to that one is and if you look

1034
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
at the if you look at the right hand

1035
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,680
side of the structure where the where

1036
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,040
the existing addition is on the right

1037
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,800
hand that feels like it's part of the

1038
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,359
house

1039
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,760
uh and it kind of follows the follows

1040
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:02,160
the historic thing and the in working

1041
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,480
with Bonnie she said it really has to be

1042
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,319
quite different.

1043
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,560
Um, and the rest of the property we're

1044
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:11,200
doing the sort of it's not black, it's

1045
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,760
sort of a darker it's a darker brown.

1046
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,240
And I think what it does is it helps to

1047
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,280
delineate and show the separation of the

1048
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:21,280
two of the two structures. Uh, so that

1049
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,359
it really it really points out that the

1050
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,359
house is special, the old house is

1051
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:26,400
special and the rest of it falls. If you

1052
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:30,720
look at that, if you look at that

1053
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:34,000
elevation or the that rendering again,

1054
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,000
it falls to the background.

1055
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,520
» The type of wood is that just a cedar?

1056
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,240
» Yeah, it's a cedar. It's a it's a dark

1057
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,160
stained cedar.

1058
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:42,079
» Just a

1059
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Yeah, they're all all the all the rest

1060
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,160
of the house buildings on the side are

1061
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,520
» So we really sort of wanted it to recede

1062
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,040
actually. Um, and in addition to that,

1063
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,560
it's really extraordinary when you read

1064
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160
the Secretary of the Interior, you know,

1065
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,800
this long document they have that talks

1066
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,119
about how you comply, they they show you

1067
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,599
some extraordinary examples of what they

1068
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:05,599
consider to be acceptable.

1069
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:07,280
Um, you know, I mean, I can't say that I

1070
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,960
really like them, but, you know, that's

1071
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,480
what they want. uh they'll show you a

1072
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,160
glass modern glass extension next to uh

1073
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:18,319
you know a Victorian um structure you

1074
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,880
know which is

1075
00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:22,000
that's what's required. So so we wanted

1076
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400
it to recede

1077
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,560
» And and we really wanted to be part of

1078
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,200
an overall

1079
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,599
site feel so that it it feels like it's

1080
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,440
part of

1081
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,440
» It's another third component

1082
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,119
» Another part of it so it's fitting

1083
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,800
everything together.

1084
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,560
I know it's not something that you often

1085
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,560
see. [laughter]

1086
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,560
So,

1087
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:45,599
» Well, part of the the roofs um

1088
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:49,119
» That's one of the things you have to do.

1089
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:52,079
The the structural engineer was quite

1090
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,680
clear that he felt that in the event of

1091
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,599
an earthquake that the porch if it

1092
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,440
wasn't actually connected better to the

1093
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,960
building [clears throat]

1094
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
that the porch could come off the

1095
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,960
building and actually damage the

1096
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,079
historic structure which is obviously

1097
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,280
not something

1098
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,760
» It would be sort of like you don't want

1099
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,119
that

1100
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,560
» Still wagging the dog.

1101
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,839
» And in addition to that obviously this

1102
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,680
is a residential use. It's not um it's

1103
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:17,359
not just a little museum somewhere.

1104
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,000
People are actually living in this. So

1105
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:22,560
um it needs to be safe in that regard.

1106
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,960
» Oh, excuse me.

1107
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,880
» And the intent is to remodel the other

1108
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,160
existing in addition to the ADU. The

1109
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960
other existing structures will be

1110
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,319
remodeled.

1111
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,119
» No, they're already they're already

1112
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:33,359
done.

1113
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,920
» They're the ADU is under construction.

1114
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:35,839
» Yep.

1115
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,839
» Uh the other two structures are

1116
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:40,319
permitted already

1117
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:41,839
and um this was the next step. Yeah,

1118
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:43,200
they they aren't under construction, I

1119
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:43,599
don't believe, but

1120
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,880
» Oh, yeah,

1121
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,839
» They will be shortly.

1122
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,640
» Yes.

1123
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:53,200
» Okay. Okay. Any other questions?

1124
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Otherwise, uh move on. No.

1125
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,960
» Okay. Thank you.

1126
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:59,680
» Thank you.

1127
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,760
» Um with that, we open up to public

1128
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,880
comment.

1129
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,200
I remembered this time. So, anyone in

1130
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:10,319
the room or online who wishes to make a

1131
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,440
comment regarding this proposal, welcome

1132
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,760
to do so.

1133
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,119
» As a reminder, for those online, use a a

1134
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,280
raise hand feature if you'd like to make

1135
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,280
a comment.

1136
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:24,079
» There are no raised hands.

1137
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:27,280
» Okay. We did receive a number of desk

1138
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:29,839
items in support of this project.

1139
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,319
Um, good.

1140
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:34,400
So, that close uh public hearing. Move

1141
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:37,280
to board discussion. Anyone like to kick

1142
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,520
us off?

1143
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:44,160
» Well, I I walked by this house a million

1144
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:47,280
times and when it was in it shape and I

1145
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,240
can work with them. It's just wonderful.

1146
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,599
It fits in with that all the other

1147
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,400
houses.

1148
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:55,400
fits in with the house

1149
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,000
and with all the

1150
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:05,680
project

1151
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,200
» And totally commendable that you had to

1152
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,440
go through what you've gone through for

1153
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,440
two years.

1154
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,240
» Bob,

1155
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,599
» Yeah,

1156
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,240
» No particular comments beyond what's

1157
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:21,440
already been brought up.

1158
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,720
» Good. Yeah, I think it's a fascinating

1159
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,599
challenge. Um, I think uh the decisions

1160
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:29,760
around the contrasting

1161
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:32,480
aesthetics of the new construction

1162
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,720
benefits from having all the additional

1163
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,200
structures uh that'll be help bring it

1164
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,520
in line. Um, yeah, I think it's quite an

1165
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,880
elegant solution to this problem. I have

1166
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,599
no concerns with regards to um

1167
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:49,040
visibility from surrounding neighbors or

1168
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:51,599
the street. I know that was um brought

1169
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,319
up as a potential cons area of concern,

1170
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,800
but none with mine and I'm I'm quite

1171
00:48:54,319 --> 00:49:00,480
happy moving this forward directly to

1172
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,948
staff for formal. So this this doesn't

1173
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,640
have story polls up. So it would

1174
00:49:02,948 --> 00:49:06,319
[clears throat] and part of the reason

1175
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,480
is it requires all these additional

1176
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,680
entitlements and so they wanted to put

1177
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,920
story polls up when they're kind of

1178
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,160
ready to go ASRB planning commission

1179
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,920
council to minimize the time that story

1180
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,839
polls need to be up. Are story poles

1181
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,119
required as part of the reasonzoning?

1182
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:23,760
There uh it's the what happens is all

1183
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,359
the the project all at the end has to be

1184
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,440
approved by the town council because

1185
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:29,760
they have to take uh action on the

1186
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,359
resoning. So you couldn't really say

1187
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,200
approve the setbacks without the

1188
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,880
resoning. So at the end of the day the

1189
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,359
council will take final action on all

1190
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,720
the entitlements. Um the SRP and

1191
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:41,920
planning commission will be providing

1192
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:43,839
recommending roles. Is it also town

1193
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,599
council's responsibility to make take

1194
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:47,200
any action regarding the fact that it's

1195
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:49,119
a historical property?

1196
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,119
» Uh there's no special entitlement needed

1197
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:54,720
for that. Uh the way that's kind of

1198
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:56,480
really handled is through SQA. Um and so

1199
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,400
by having a building that is consistent

1200
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,119
with the secretary of in interior

1201
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,800
standards, it could be exempt from SQA.

1202
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,599
Um but there's no special entitlement

1203
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,880
needed for it.

1204
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:08,240
» Okay.

1205
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,559
» Sage, is it possible to have uh planning

1206
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:13,040
commission do formal

1207
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:16,240
Uh it the way the code's set up is that

1208
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:19,359
the ASRB has to see the story polls. Um

1209
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:21,119
they could I mean at this point uh you

1210
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:25,200
know we could bring it back if the ASRB

1211
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:27,200
wishes on consent um to the ASRB and

1212
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:29,280
then if there's any significant issues

1213
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,280
brought up at that time uh it could be

1214
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,800
pulled off consent. Uh [snorts] but in

1215
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,520
according to the code without the story

1216
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,160
polls it needs to go back to ASR.

1217
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,800
Does anyone on the board have concerns

1218
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,000
with regards to it? Um, going straight

1219
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,880
to consent

1220
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,079
» To consent.

1221
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,960
» Yep. No.

1222
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,119
» Okay. All right. I think that's that's

1223
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,760
uh our position.

1224
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:54,880
» Um Okay. So, what I've heard is uh the

1225
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,640
applicant is commended uh for design

1226
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,680
additions and remodels to the historic

1227
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,720
home that uh fits well within the design

1228
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,240
of the houses on Prospect Street. Um the

1229
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,280
applicant is commended for working

1230
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:09,119
closely with the project historian uh to

1231
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,359
ensure consistency with the secretary of

1232
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:14,960
interior standards and that um while

1233
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:17,440
part of those standards require the

1234
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,960
addition to be distinguished from the

1235
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,520
main residence or from the existing

1236
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,520
structure um those additions do tie into

1237
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,119
other accessory structures on site

1238
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,200
bringing kind of a cohesive design to

1239
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:29,280
the entire project. Um, I didn't hear

1240
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,599
any recommendations for changes. Other

1241
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,079
than that, it was uh noted to move the

1242
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:36,079
project to the ASRB for story polls on

1243
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,520
consent and then after that it could

1244
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,480
move on to planning commission and town

1245
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,040
council.

1246
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,720
» I do think you want to add that they the

1247
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:47,440
applicants have gone to a lot of

1248
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,800
outreach and all the or at least the

1249
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,800
neighbors around them are very

1250
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,800
supportive.

1251
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,200
» We can definitely include that. Um, so

1252
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,119
with that, is there a motion and a

1253
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,240
second?

1254
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,440
» Here.

1255
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,319
» Make a motion

1256
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,119
» In second.

1257
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:05,520
» Chair Lindseay.

1258
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,760
» Yes.

1259
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,079
» Vice Chair Comra. Member Delgavio.

1260
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,280
» Yes.

1261
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,000
» Member Sullivan.

1262
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,000
» Yes.

1263
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Great.

1264
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,760
Thank you.

1265
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:25,640
» Yes.

1266
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,640
Take a very short break.

1267
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,480
Okay.

1268
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:12,000
Sarah, you're presenting. Thank you.

1269
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:16,640
» Yes, thank you. Um, okay. I will be

1270
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:19,599
introducing the project at 161 Fox Road.

1271
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,240
The project includes the demolition of

1272
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:24,800
an existing single family dwelling and

1273
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:27,119
accessory structures and the

1274
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:30,240
construction of a new single family

1275
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:33,599
dwelling with an attached junior

1276
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:37,359
accessory dwelling unit as well as an

1277
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:41,040
attached accessory dwelling unit. Um ADU

1278
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:45,920
I'll just keep I'll say ADU. Sorry. um a

1279
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:49,920
detached garage with an ADU and another

1280
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:53,760
uh detached ADU as well as a uh swimming

1281
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,839
pool, tennis pavilion, building an

1282
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,920
tennis court and associated site

1283
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:01,040
improvements.

1284
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,119
So, the property is in is in the RR

1285
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:06,000
zoning district and it's about three

1286
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:07,839
acres, just over three acres.

1287
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,240
It's located off Fox Box Follow Road,

1288
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:13,200
which is um extends off of Woodside

1289
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:14,960
Road. It's currently developed with a

1290
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,880
single family main residence and

1291
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,160
accessory structures, all of which are

1292
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,400
proposed to be demolished.

1293
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:25,119
The new main residence will be located

1294
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,240
in the same general area as the existing

1295
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:30,240
residence. Um and the main residence

1296
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:33,839
will include

1297
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:36,559
um a J AU on the basement level. And

1298
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:39,200
then this portion here is the attached

1299
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:42,079
ADU.

1300
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,640
The detached garage is proposed here

1301
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:48,319
adjacent to the main residence and we'll

1302
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:51,920
have an ADU above the garage.

1303
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:53,920
And then the detached ADU is um down

1304
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,240
here closer to the front of the

1305
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,400
property.

1306
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:01,040
Um, in front of the main residence will

1307
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,400
be the sort of like outdoor recreational

1308
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,240
uses which includes this lawn area, um,

1309
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,920
a swimming pool. They also have a botchi

1310
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:12,319
ball court here. And then also they're

1311
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,640
proposing a tennis court here in this

1312
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:17,520
location and the tennis pavilion kind of

1313
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,520
right adjacent to it.

1314
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,839
Uh there

1315
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,559
there is um oops actually before I get

1316
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:29,359
there um the existing driveway is

1317
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:31,680
proposed to be uh removed and relocated.

1318
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:36,559
So let me show you where the existing

1319
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,559
driveway is. Go back. Sorry.

1320
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:40,960
So the existing driveway is kind of

1321
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:43,359
center in the property and it just kind

1322
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,160
of extends straight in. So they're

1323
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:48,400
removing that driveway.

1324
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,440
um and relocating it to this kind of

1325
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,200
corner of the property here. So,

1326
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,280
there'll be new, you know, new driveway

1327
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,280
and new parking and a new firetruck

1328
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,280
turnaround.

1329
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:04,079
um on this adjacent property over here

1330
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,920
on this like right side of the screen.

1331
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:09,760
Um so that's kind of like south of this

1332
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,680
property there is a horse trail um and

1333
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,720
an easement

1334
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,799
that extends the entire length of this

1335
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:20,319
property boundary.

1336
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:22,400
And um we did take the project to the

1337
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:26,319
trails committee at their July 9th

1338
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,920
meeting um to review uh with the trails

1339
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:31,280
committee to see if they had any

1340
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,839
comments they wanted to um express um

1341
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,640
kind of in uh relation to the proximity

1342
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:39,280
of the tennis court to that horse trail.

1343
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,359
So, the committee um had some concerns

1344
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,960
about noise

1345
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:46,720
um potentially about fencing

1346
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,319
um

1347
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,040
but overall they you know they gave

1348
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:54,359
comments mostly concerned with potential

1349
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,359
noise impacts.

1350
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:00,680
I'm going to go to some elevations.

1351
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:08,480
So, the main residence and the accessory

1352
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,119
structures will all have the same sort

1353
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,920
of architectural style and form, and

1354
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:16,160
they'll all have flat roofs.

1355
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,200
The main residence will be two stories

1356
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,000
with a basement. Um, and it'll be about

1357
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,240
24 ft in height.

1358
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:30,520
And as I mentioned before, the detached

1359
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,520
garage will have um an ADU above.

1360
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,480
So that's uh this structure here.

1361
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:42,559
The materials for all the structures

1362
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:45,520
include wood panels, concrete, stucco,

1363
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:48,720
um wood sun shade louvers, aluminum

1364
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:51,920
windows and doors, and um some areas

1365
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,720
with green roofs. And the color palette

1366
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:57,359
includes you muted earth tones in shades

1367
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,680
of brown, beige, and gray.

1368
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:02,720
Uh they have not installed story poles

1369
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:06,480
yet. Uh and we did receive a few desk

1370
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:10,799
items. One was um an additional letter

1371
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,520
of support from a um property owner, a

1372
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:16,079
neighboring property owner. Um part of

1373
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:18,720
the packet was a number of letters and

1374
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:21,760
support for the project.

1375
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:24,640
Um, a second desk item was a letter from

1376
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:27,280
the geotechnical engineer um, just

1377
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:30,400
describing some areas on site that have

1378
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,920
35% slope and those areas being um,

1379
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,920
man-made

1380
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,280
and that was just in response to some of

1381
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:39,040
the items called out in the staff

1382
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:41,040
report. And then the last item was just

1383
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,880
the summary comments from the trails

1384
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:45,040
committee.

1385
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,480
That um, that concludes my presentation

1386
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,047
though and I'm happy to answer any

1387
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,760
questions. Thank you, sir.

1388
01:00:49,047 --> 01:00:51,280
[clears throat]

1389
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,599
» Does anyone on the board have questions

1390
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,599
of staff?

1391
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:01,599
» Does ASRB get involved in conversations

1392
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,799
about the horse trail and proximity to

1393
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:05,280
some of these improvements or is that

1394
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:09,352
really fall to staff and planning and

1395
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,599
other folks not ASRB?

1396
01:01:09,352 --> 01:01:11,920
[clears throat]

1397
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:13,839
» The you know the ASRB looks at site

1398
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,400
planning. So all aspects of site

1399
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:18,000
planning are looked at. Um but that's

1400
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,400
why we have you know a number of

1401
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,920
different committees in town and you

1402
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,880
know you have some comments from the

1403
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,040
trails committee to consider. Um the

1404
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,559
code the the reason this was brought

1405
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,119
forward is that tennis courts could be

1406
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:34,000
closer to a property line than

1407
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:36,480
structures can. And so uh because the

1408
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,960
tennis court is still further away than

1409
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,559
what is the minimum required. Um but

1410
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,559
both the applicant and staff agreed to

1411
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:44,000
bring it to the trails committee and so

1412
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,839
they have some input that you can

1413
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,920
consider.

1414
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:51,040
Sage, I think. Nick, can you clarify? If

1415
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,280
it's a tennis court, it can be 30 feet.

1416
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,599
» It can beif

1417
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,520
Yeah. So, just tennis courts, no other

1418
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:00,160
types of sports course, but just tennis

1419
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:02,160
courts can be as close as 15 feet to a

1420
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,799
side or rear property line.

1421
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,960
» 15

1422
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:08,599
» 15.

1423
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,599
I that's something

1424
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,839
I don't

1425
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:22,079
I mean that doesn't have to

1426
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:24,240
work. So to think that this is never

1427
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,160
going to be a sport

1428
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,799
is it's it doesn't it's

1429
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:32,400
» If if the town received a call um it

1430
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:36,400
would be a code enforcement item

1431
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:38,880
» And they would have to remove it restore

1432
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,160
with three children and you've got a bot

1433
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,359
that you're probably going to have

1434
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,720
lying.

1435
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:46,960
» I can't assume that. Um it's just this

1436
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,839
is what's allowed and if they are going

1437
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,880
to if someone designs something that is

1438
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:54,559
well smaller than what a tennis court

1439
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,200
is. Tennis courts have typical

1440
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:58,799
dimensions. Um and if somebody shows us

1441
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,640
something well smaller than that it's

1442
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:03,920
clearly that you can't just put a label

1443
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,200
of tennis court on it. Um and so but

1444
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,599
that's what's being proposed and that's

1445
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:10,240
what the code allows if people install

1446
01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:13,520
basketball hoops or change it to a

1447
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,680
pickle ball court or something else. um

1448
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,960
that would uh become a code enforcement

1449
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,799
issue.

1450
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,599
» And how do we deal with the fact of the

1451
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:24,240
horses being afraid of balls and fence

1452
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:26,160
and carter that was created? Can you

1453
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,520
answer how that's worked out?

1454
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,599
» Oh, sorry, I missed the first part.

1455
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,440
» Uh a couple of different things. One, I

1456
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:33,200
had read that they there's a concern

1457
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,640
obviously with the horses and the and

1458
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,720
the tennis balls or pickle balls,

1459
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,880
whatever they are. Um and that there's

1460
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,960
also a fence situation where you'd

1461
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,039
create a carter for the horses to be

1462
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,760
afraid to walk down the corridor. What

1463
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:46,160
how is that being?

1464
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,440
» So those are things that I I believe um

1465
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,760
the applicant can probably best speak to

1466
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,480
it, but I believe their goal is to

1467
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,760
propose additional landscaping and again

1468
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,680
they can correct me if I'm wrong. I

1469
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:59,280
think they're still proposing open style

1470
01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:01,359
fencing um on that side. And so their

1471
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,039
goal is to just kind of screen it,

1472
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:06,559
provide more dense landscaping to help

1473
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:10,400
minimize on the visual and noise impact.

1474
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:12,559
» Okay. Any any other questions? No. So

1475
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,880
just question for me regarding attached

1476
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:16,559
ADU. We've reviewed number of detached

1477
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,440
ADUs that are with place within the

1478
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:23,119
setback by state law. In the case of an

1479
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,599
attached ADU, what are there different

1480
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:26,240
guidelines?

1481
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,240
» Very similar as detached. So you can

1482
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,400
still have So if you're attached, you

1483
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,039
can hang over that setback that basic

1484
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,240
setback line as long as no more than 800

1485
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:38,960
square ft are going into that uh the

1486
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,960
basic setback. So um yes and actually

1487
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,520
the state has been quite clear on that.

1488
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,520
» Okay.

1489
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,119
» And how close do we get to the

1490
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,520
neighboring property?

1491
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,079
» Have to double check. Not that's

1492
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,599
proposed. Oh,

1493
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:52,000
» That's prop. Yeah. I mean you can be as

1494
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,559
close as four feet to a side or rear,

1495
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,559
but they're much further than that.

1496
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:58,720
Okay.

1497
01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,400
Good. Thank you, sir.

1498
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,119
» I'll I can pull it up for you.

1499
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,440
» Thank you.

1500
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,960
» Uh 11

1501
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,760
and a half ft roughly.

1502
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,400
» 17

1503
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,400
» 17

1504
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,280
» Oh, sorry. Sorry. I can't read even

1505
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,960
though I have glasses on.

1506
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,960
» Okay.

1507
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,960
177.

1508
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:22,000
» Okay. All right.

1509
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:27,559
Um thank you for that, Sarah. All right.

1510
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:27,559
move to the uh applicants presentation.

1511
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,480
» Okay. Um well, good afternoon, good

1512
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,559
evening. Um uh I'd like to introduce

1513
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,720
myself, um Hugo Bar, and my wife Laura

1514
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,799
Griffiths, and we wanted to talk about

1515
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:43,359
three things real quick. Uh one is who

1516
01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:45,520
we are and our family. Uh the second is

1517
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:48,400
why we've chosen Woodside to build our

1518
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,319
forever home. And the third is some of

1519
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,720
the sort of functional and design things

1520
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:55,680
that we've uh kept in mind um when

1521
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:58,400
creating this home. Um so number one,

1522
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,280
who we are. Um Hugo and Laura, we've

1523
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,319
both been residents of the Bay Area for,

1524
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:08,000
you know, a couple of decades. Um we

1525
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:10,160
have three babies. Uh girl, boy, girl,

1526
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,599
Anna, who's four and a half, uh Matteo

1527
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:17,119
who's two, uh Alex, baby girl, who's uh

1528
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:21,119
6 months. uh day after Friday Friday

1529
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:26,240
this week and we are planning um fourth

1530
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:29,280
and final um for maybe sometime uh late

1531
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,799
next year is our thinking. So uh we'd be

1532
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,480
um moving to Woodside with a lot of

1533
01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:34,720
little ones and we'll come back to that

1534
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,520
in a second. Um, I wanted to talk about

1535
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:41,359
why Woodside and maybe for that start

1536
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:43,200
with Laura's story uh with Woodside,

1537
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:46,480
which I think is worth hearing. Maybe

1538
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,480
you real quick, my love.

1539
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,760
» Hi everyone. I'm Laura. I'm so excited

1540
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,119
and unbelievably nervous to be here.

1541
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,960
So, I just wanted to say a little bit

1542
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:57,119
about my relationship with Woodside.

1543
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,640
I've been coming to Woodside for I

1544
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,079
realized when I was thinking about it,

1545
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,319
think about talking about this today,

1546
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:04,640
more than half my life at this point.

1547
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:07,440
Um, so I moved here as an undergrad and

1548
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,200
I discovered Hutter Park very early in

1549
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,319
my first year as an undergrad and I

1550
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,039
started coming here every single

1551
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:14,960
weekend. So whether it was hot or cold

1552
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:17,119
or raining, I'd go hike in Hutter Park

1553
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,039
every single Sunday morning. I'd come

1554
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,559
back to my car with my hands so cold I

1555
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,559
couldn't even get back into the car

1556
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:25,599
because I couldn't click the key. Um,

1557
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,359
and it's just been my sanctuary. Um,

1558
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:29,520
coming to Woodside has just been my

1559
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:32,079
favorite place in the world for forever

1560
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,599
now. Um, it's been where I've formed all

1561
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:35,359
my most meaningful friendships. When I

1562
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:37,680
was in business school here and I saw a

1563
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,960
girl I like the look of, I would say

1564
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,599
basically like, will you go on a date

1565
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,440
with me and go hike in Woodside and like

1566
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:45,839
see if we're going to be friends? Um,

1567
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:48,160
the first thing I ever asked Hugo to do

1568
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:50,960
with me was to go hike in Woodside.

1569
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,480
» Um, so it's just been a dream for me

1570
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,960
forever to live here and I can't believe

1571
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,599
we're actually here with the chance to

1572
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,680
do it. Um, and I didn't know if it ever

1573
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,359
would be a reality, but for more than

1574
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,200
half my life, my hope has been to be

1575
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:05,599
able to bring my kids here and build a

1576
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,440
home where we could not just have our

1577
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:10,079
family, but you know, we love the idea

1578
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,000
of kind of a family compound and having,

1579
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:13,760
you know, more of our family around us

1580
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,319
and building a place that can be kind of

1581
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,480
the real center of gravity both for us

1582
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,480
and for our kids and for our grandkids

1583
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:22,080
and for, you know, my parents and my

1584
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:23,920
brother and Hugo's family and like all

1585
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,480
the people we love just to, you know, to

1586
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,759
the place people gather. And so, yeah,

1587
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:29,759
I'm a little emotional talking about

1588
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:32,000
this, but this has just been we bought

1589
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:34,102
the property, we signed the offer on the

1590
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,520
property. I think I was in labor.

1591
01:08:34,102 --> 01:08:38,000
[snorts]

1592
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:40,960
And so, you know, this has just been the

1593
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,560
culmination of, you know, nearly what, a

1594
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,560
year and a half, two years of just

1595
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:46,719
dreaming about what this house would be.

1596
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,880
Um, so yeah, we're just unbelievably

1597
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:49,920
grateful to be here today. So, thank you

1598
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,120
for the time.

1599
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,839
» Thank you.

1600
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,839
We tried a couple of times to um to buy

1601
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:58,239
a property here in Woodside, but we

1602
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:59,520
didn't manage to because the people were

1603
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:02,400
paying a lot of a lot more money for

1604
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,400
these things and but we finally made it.

1605
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,239
Um the funny thing is that we said the

1606
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,759
last thing we'll do is to build a house

1607
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:08,960
because you know we have all these

1608
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:10,400
little kids. We want to focus our time

1609
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,880
in them and of course that's what we end

1610
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:14,640
up doing is choosing to build a house.

1611
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,640
Um, one thing that's really special for

1612
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,799
us, and I think this is even for

1613
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,679
Woodside residents, is quite unique of

1614
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:24,319
this property, our kids can walk to

1615
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:26,640
Woodside Elementary without crossing a

1616
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:29,440
street once because it's literally like

1617
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:32,480
on the same street block. So, um, so we

1618
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:34,400
love that we have we we, uh, uh, part of

1619
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:35,920
the process of me becoming a huge fan of

1620
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,159
Woodside had to do with the fact that

1621
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:41,120
probably at least a dozen of my close

1622
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,359
friends, uh, already live here and have,

1623
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,199
you know, uh, kids here. Our very next

1624
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:47,679
door neighbor, David and Marielle, they

1625
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:50,239
have five kids and our kids kind of

1626
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:52,880
slide perfectly in between their ages.

1627
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:54,640
So, we'll have, you know, sort of bigger

1628
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,880
brothers and sisters and little ones for

1629
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:00,800
all of them. Um and then everybody will

1630
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,080
adopt our fourth hopefully. Um then the

1631
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,080
third thing I want to talk about is the

1632
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,520
things that we've wanted uh sort of we

1633
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,960
had in mind for functional design

1634
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,800
requirements for this house. We're both

1635
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,840
engineers so functional requirements is

1636
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,920
like a love language for us. Uh we both

1637
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,840
grew up in in homes you know running

1638
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,719
around uh with tennis courts. We both

1639
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,360
played a lot of tennis uh you know at

1640
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:22,719
like local fun level but al also

1641
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,040
competitive level. Our daughter is

1642
01:10:22,719 --> 01:10:26,159
starting her tennis now. So, uh, tennis

1643
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,600
is actually really, really important for

1644
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:31,840
us. Um, we are pretty anti-pickle ball

1645
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,440
and we're going to hammer that into our

1646
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,760
kids' brains because tennis players do

1647
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:39,520
not play pickle ball. Forgive me if I'm

1648
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:43,199
personally offending anyone. Um and um

1649
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:46,000
and uh we at any point in time probably

1650
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:48,880
will have you know a set of you know

1651
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,719
grandparents or siblings and their kids

1652
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,560
hopefully not just staying with us but

1653
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:54,960
with us for a long time which is the

1654
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:58,159
reasoning behind uh our accessories u

1655
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:01,040
sort of uh adus. Um what else? What am I

1656
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:03,440
forgetting my love? Um, these are all

1657
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,840
the main things, but we could talk for

1658
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,199
the whole day about every little piece

1659
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,320
of this house and why we thought about

1660
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:10,480
it in this way.

1661
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,080
» Mom's an architect and my mom also did a

1662
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,480
lot of architecture stuff. So, we're

1663
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,719
just Yeah, we just want to build a

1664
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,360
beautiful home that we can be in for

1665
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,800
forever.

1666
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:23,040
» Yeah, the architecture style that we've

1667
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:26,640
chosen um is spiritually uh u sort of an

1668
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:29,880
honor to my mother.

1669
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,880
» Thank you.

1670
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:37,920
We're back. [laughter]

1671
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:40,159
» Uh let me let me explain. Uh we are we

1672
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:44,239
are uh the local architect for this

1673
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:47,679
project. Uh the architect is a Brazilian

1674
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:49,520
very famous Brazilian firm. Uh and it's

1675
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:52,640
been a pleasure working with them. Uh

1676
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,239
they have they do they do lot modern

1677
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,000
houses. So do we. I mean so we have a

1678
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:58,400
lot of we have a lot in common in terms

1679
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,320
of what's going on. So, it's been it's

1680
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,360
been a pleasure working with them. Uh,

1681
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,040
you want to talk about

1682
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,760
» Yeah. Um, I'm I'm going to talk

1683
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:08,239
immediately about the um equestrian

1684
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:10,560
trail, Don, if that's okay. Because we

1685
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:14,880
did attend the trails committee meeting.

1686
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:17,760
Um, and when the tennis court was first

1687
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,880
proposed, our clients um it was actually

1688
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:23,040
closer, as Sage said, to the equestrian

1689
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:26,719
trail than it is currently. It was

1690
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,440
proposed to be closer. And when we um

1691
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:32,880
when the team talked to our clients

1692
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:34,800
about um how significant equestrianism

1693
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,120
is in the town of Woodside, I mean I'm

1694
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,120
an equestrian. My husband has been an

1695
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,840
equestrian in the past and still owns a

1696
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,760
horse mine. Um

1697
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,480
they and we explained, you know, this

1698
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,880
issue of, you know, noise

1699
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:51,520
um activity potentially, you know, being

1700
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,920
an issue for horses. Um the conversation

1701
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:56,800
moved to let's move this tennis court

1702
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,600
back as far as we can on the site given

1703
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,840
that this actually is quite a steep site

1704
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:04,400
and there is only the only flat area for

1705
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:09,199
a tennis court is along that um southern

1706
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:11,360
boundary. So, um, the team and with

1707
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:14,239
permission from the owners, we moved it

1708
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:16,480
back to the 30 ft. And an additional

1709
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:18,960
conversation was had about, you know,

1710
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:22,480
the possibility of putting uh replacing

1711
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:25,760
the fencing with um solid fencing so

1712
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:29,440
that horses wouldn't be spooked by

1713
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:33,120
movement, noise, etc. But horses also do

1714
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:36,960
not like this tunnel, the aspect of kind

1715
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:38,880
of going into a tunnel. And so we

1716
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,600
decided not to do that and have proposed

1717
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,280
additional screening and in fact that

1718
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,480
really did resonate with the trails

1719
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,280
committee. They were actually very

1720
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:50,880
thankful that we had that that was the

1721
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,760
direction that we were going in here. So

1722
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:57,679
the solution from from our point of view

1723
01:13:53,760 --> 01:14:02,480
is to put as much landscape screening in

1724
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:06,880
that 30foot section as possible um to

1725
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:12,800
mitigate the noise and to uh you know

1726
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:14,960
mitigate any sort of activity issues. Um

1727
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,400
really there is nowhere else on the site

1728
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:20,080
for the tennis court to go. So

1729
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,640
» The vineyard part of this stopping

1730
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,320
» The vineyard is at the front of the

1731
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,840
property. Yes. If you've dri if you've

1732
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,199
been on the site or driven by the

1733
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,880
vineyards at the front, but I that's

1734
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:30,080
» It's in it's in pretty bad shape. Yeah.

1735
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,120
It doesn't it's

1736
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,800
» It's not really producing

1737
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,120
» It's not doing anything and it needs to

1738
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,679
be

1739
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,679
» It pro it's going to be removed in fact.

1740
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:40,880
So yes, you could pull you could pull

1741
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:42,719
the tennis court further towards the

1742
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:45,600
street, but again it's still going to be

1743
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:50,280
up against that um that equestrian

1744
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,280
easement. Um, so

1745
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:53,440
I suppose you could say don't have a

1746
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,280
tennis court, but I think that was

1747
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:57,199
really one of the overarching goals that

1748
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,840
our clients had when they when they

1749
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:01,600
selected this property.

1750
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,440
» Thank you, Christie. [laughter]

1751
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,960
Yes, exactly. So I guess the point

1752
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:08,400
you're trying to make is that you know

1753
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,679
we are here trying to work with we have

1754
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,679
tried to work with the equestrian

1755
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:13,440
community on this and um if there are

1756
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:15,199
any other suggestions they actually had

1757
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:18,000
no recommendations

1758
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:19,440
at that meeting. Um we did ask Sarah

1759
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,880
afterwards. So there were no

1760
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:23,280
recommendations there were no

1761
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:25,520
recommendations. If any recommendations

1762
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:27,440
come forward that seem reasonable and

1763
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,480
that we can accomplish we certainly

1764
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,880
would do that. um but that but they seem

1765
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,040
to be satisfied with it. Although you

1766
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,880
know

1767
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:41,320
equestrians you're on horseback it's

1768
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,320
always a challenge.

1769
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:49,600
» Okay. So I um the design itself if you

1770
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,440
go to the first first couple renderings

1771
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,159
uh well

1772
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:57,040
you can you go to the to the tooth or

1773
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:59,120
aerial views?

1774
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:02,159
No. I go to the Yeah. Okay. So, this

1775
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:04,960
kind of explains how the property works.

1776
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:08,239
The existing house has absolutely no

1777
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:10,480
relationships to its site. And I think

1778
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,040
what the design team was trying to do

1779
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:16,320
here was to create

1780
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:19,360
uh one views from the house. So, it's

1781
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,600
got kind of that lazy L that for looks

1782
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:24,640
towards the western hills. And then out

1783
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:26,719
in front of that is a lawn area that

1784
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:29,840
then steps down a couple of feet to the

1785
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:31,600
pool area and then down on down the

1786
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:36,239
site. And then there's a big play area

1787
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,760
down below. Uh sort of meadow slash,

1788
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,280
you know, that kind of stuff. That's

1789
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,880
also where the septic system is. Um

1790
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,360
which needs to be reworked, you know,

1791
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:48,000
given the number of bedrooms that are

1792
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:51,120
encompassing the ADUs and the house

1793
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:55,120
itself. Uh the other thing we tried to

1794
01:16:51,120 --> 01:17:00,080
do was expand on the by using green

1795
01:16:55,120 --> 01:17:02,320
roofs to limit the impact of the um of

1796
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:05,040
the buildings out there and make it so

1797
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,040
that it doesn't feel like it's a it's a

1798
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,199
village of little buildings sitting all

1799
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,120
over the place. So that's that's what

1800
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,320
we're trying to do all over in all of

1801
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,320
them.

1802
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,800
Um, the other thing I was going to do

1803
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:19,440
was kind of go over some of the comments

1804
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,199
that came through on the on the staff

1805
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:24,640
report.

1806
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:29,280
So, one of those deals with the garage

1807
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:31,440
heights and how that is and how it's

1808
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,120
slightly over the TFA and that kind of

1809
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:35,280
stuff. So, one of the issues with that

1810
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:38,400
is that the walls that were d drawn on

1811
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:40,960
the plans are a little bit too thick. So

1812
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:43,840
we've we've deducted that down. And then

1813
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,880
we've looked at the separation required

1814
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:49,760
for the height of the uh ADU in

1815
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,560
relationship to the property line. And

1816
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:56,080
so we think both of those now are in are

1817
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:59,600
in compliance with the both the area and

1818
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:04,800
the setback of the way that the uh the

1819
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:07,760
ADU steps back from the um steps back

1820
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,520
from the from the garage below it. and

1821
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,280
we'll work with the town to you know

1822
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,000
assure that that's what happens when we

1823
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:16,880
come back for formal

1824
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,520
the next one is um slopes in excess of

1825
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:22,800
35% you see here's an enlargement of the

1826
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,719
area over where the garage is uh so one

1827
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:27,360
of the things we're do first of all some

1828
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:29,440
of this is is man-made but we're going

1829
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:32,719
to limit the amount of grading we need

1830
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:34,960
to do on that side by by can sort of

1831
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:39,760
canaling the park that parking area in

1832
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:42,760
particular off on the side.

1833
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,760
Um,

1834
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:51,679
Lauria CalS, we will work with the town

1835
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:54,480
on uh floor area. Uh, we we think we're

1836
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:57,520
in compliance with the general with the

1837
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:59,280
floor area. Uh, the height we already

1838
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,719
talked about, and the paved area, we'll

1839
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,640
work with the town to make sure we got

1840
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:04,960
the pipe area. Obviously, the biggest

1841
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:08,800
the biggest factor in the paved area is

1842
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:11,440
the 7200 ft² and a tennis court,

1843
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,880
but as Hugo explained, that's, you know,

1844
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:15,120
really part of what their life wants to

1845
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:17,280
be. So, we're going to pursue that a

1846
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,800
little bit further.

1847
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,400
And there are some things we can do to

1848
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,760
cut down some of the paved area so that

1849
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,480
it, you know, like the parking area

1850
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,960
that's down by the down by that lower

1851
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,560
ADU that can go into a green into a

1852
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,800
grass

1853
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:34,640
pavers type situation where it's, you

1854
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:37,040
know, just the rings that create the

1855
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:39,520
» How much would that reduce you?

1856
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:42,159
» We can get it to within probably around

1857
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,960
three and a half thousand

1858
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:47,640
» Five

1859
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,640
» Versus the five to six. Yeah.

1860
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,560
But other than that, you know, we we're

1861
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,280
» Well, one of one of the issues that's

1862
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:00,480
actually occurring, you know, we all

1863
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:04,159
know this with the the way in which the

1864
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:07,760
um Cal Fire is now changing the codes

1865
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:09,440
across California and requiring 5 foot

1866
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,080
of um

1867
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,679
» Nothing,

1868
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:16,159
» You know, paved area around around your

1869
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:17,520
structure is actually I mean I have

1870
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:19,760
brought this up to stage before but

1871
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,600
actually that is actually

1872
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,920
increasing the amount of paved area that

1873
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:26,640
you need to have on your site.

1874
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:29,040
» It just says depends space rocks.

1875
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,600
» No. So well

1876
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,280
» They Yeah. So gravel's paved area

1877
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,800
» They'll

1878
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:38,000
just finish. Let me finish explaining

1879
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:40,239
please. The the fire district I know

1880
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:42,320
prefers some type of hardscape material.

1881
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,080
Um, but I do want to note that tomorrow

1882
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:50,080
night, town council is uh on a second

1883
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:52,239
reading of an ordinance um that is uh

1884
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:56,800
poised to

1885
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:58,880
uh uh exempt any gravel. Not if you have

1886
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,400
paving like concrete or bricks or

1887
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,920
something like that, it's still going to

1888
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,920
count. It's like a patio like it would

1889
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,560
have always counted, but if you need to

1890
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,040
put gravel within 5 ft of your uh

1891
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,640
structure, that that will be exempt from

1892
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,400
our planetary exception. So, there's a

1893
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,640
chance that some of that could apply

1894
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,760
here. It it it it's already been through

1895
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,840
its first reading. It's been through

1896
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,440
planning commission. Um so, tomorrow

1897
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,199
night is a second reading and if

1898
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:24,199
adopted, it becomes effective in 30

1899
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,199
days.

1900
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,840
Gravel. [laughter]

1901
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:30,080
» Gravel. So it stays there. But

1902
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:32,640
» You don't like gravel. I know person.

1903
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:34,080
Yes. Gravel. Gravel. And

1904
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,280
» Any type of kind of loose material, a

1905
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:39,760
nonbonded non-binding surface. Yeah.

1906
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,159
» So then by ADU1, that path that goes

1907
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,440
between there and the office building

1908
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:45,360
potentially. That's

1909
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,040
» It's just it's just the area that's

1910
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,679
within 5T of the building.

1911
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,600
» Not that.

1912
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:51,520
» So this is specific to address the fire

1913
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,679
» District. There's definitely areas where

1914
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,159
we can reduce the amount of paving. I

1915
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:56,480
mean,

1916
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:57,760
» Um, and and get it down. It's it's

1917
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,440
there'll be a needling all the way

1918
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,360
around a little bit in terms of where

1919
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:02,560
you really need it and where you don't.

1920
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,679
And that's one of the things we need to

1921
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,840
work on.

1922
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:07,440
» And we'll work with staff.

1923
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,600
» One of the other issues that comes up is

1924
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:13,120
that the more ADUs on that you have on

1925
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,960
site, which the state wants, um, the

1926
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:18,880
more you have to access them, right,

1927
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:20,560
with paved area. So, um, you're in a

1928
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,360
little bit of an awkward situation if

1929
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:26,800
you actually max out the number of paved

1930
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:29,360
of ADUs and you're not using, uh, the

1931
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,040
primary driveway to access them. You

1932
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:34,477
know, there's sort of constraints there,

1933
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:36,000
too. So, it is quite complicated,

1934
01:22:34,477 --> 01:22:39,199
[laughter]

1935
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:42,520
but we're working to solve it.

1936
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:42,520
» Any questions?

1937
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:48,000
» Nope. Any questions? And then there's

1938
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,040
there's a materials board that reviewed.

1939
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,080
So it's all

1940
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:53,560
» Yeah.

1941
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,560
» Concrete wood

1942
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:00,639
modern modern uh modern vernacular.

1943
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,960
» And would there be any consideration on

1944
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:04,960
the ADU2 if the orientation of the

1945
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,639
kitchenet went to the opposite direction

1946
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,120
that it wouldn't get as close to the

1947
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:11,120
setback?

1948
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:14,639
» And I don't totally understand the plan

1949
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,280
100%. So forgive me. [laughter]

1950
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:18,800
I mean there's there's other things

1951
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,239
» And I I'll just note they would just be

1952
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,840
careful with the ADU considerations

1953
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:26,960
» But they they can it's something that

1954
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:29,360
they can consider

1955
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,360
» Plus the who is the Brazilian

1956
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,360
» Bernardis.

1957
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:39,280
In fact, uh, Yugo was telling me that

1958
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,760
that they um they were picking out

1959
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,080
images of what they wanted and they kept

1960
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,280
going to this architect. [laughter]

1961
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,000
» Oh, is that

1962
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:50,960
» And decided, well, we should hire them.

1963
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,360
» You guys,

1964
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,000
» Okay,

1965
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,880
» Cool.

1966
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,880
» Okay. Any other questions?

1967
01:23:56,159 --> 01:24:02,159
» All of mine were addressed.

1968
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:04,080
» Okay. Thank you.

1969
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:05,600
Thank you the board for your service. I

1970
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,760
appreciate it.

1971
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,840
» Okay, with that moving to public

1972
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,880
comment. Any member of the public wishes

1973
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:16,199
to make a comment regarding this project

1974
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,199
can do so.

1975
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:23,480
» There are no raised hands online.

1976
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:23,480
» Okay.

1977
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:28,960
Just a second to see if anyone raises a

1978
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:34,920
hand. No. All right. That close public

1979
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:34,920
comment and move to board deliberation.

1980
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:42,960
» Microphone.

1981
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:43,920
» Yes.

1982
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,800
» Thank you.

1983
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,719
» Yes.

1984
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:50,800
» Um I'm sure that they would consider

1985
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:52,480
shades to track um the light shining out

1986
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,159
onto the neighboring property on the

1987
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:57,320
down side of the hill. Probably want

1988
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,320
them anyway.

1989
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:03,520
That's all I got.

1990
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:05,360
» Okay.

1991
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:07,280
» Covered it already. [clears throat]

1992
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:10,400
» Anyone on the board care to offer

1993
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:13,440
comment with regards to specific

1994
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:16,159
materials, design, color as it pertains

1995
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:18,080
to the residential guidelines?

1996
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:19,520
» No, it looks very nice.

1997
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:22,159
» Absolutely.

1998
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:25,840
» How about you? Um yeah, I think that

1999
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:30,320
it's exceptional project with regards to

2000
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:32,800
design and the use of material. Um

2001
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:36,560
I think hardscape will be a challenge. I

2002
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,920
anticipate that. So um try to figure out

2003
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,480
that solution. We'll see what the

2004
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,800
outcome of the second reading is

2005
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:45,679
tomorrow night. It have an impact on

2006
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,199
that or create opportunities. Um,

2007
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:49,280
» And it looks like there only a couple of

2008
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:51,280
coast little oaks that are in good

2009
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:57,080
condition that may be removed. Numbers

2010
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,080
15 and 16. Probably not by choice.

2011
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,920
» Yes, we always uh note when a

2012
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,960
significant number of trees are being

2013
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:10,159
impacted by any project. Um, but all

2014
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:12,880
comes down to the arborist report. Um,

2015
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:14,239
vice chair camera thoughts? No, I mean

2016
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,280
it's it's a gorgeous

2017
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:18,159
» Really nice

2018
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:20,560
» I love the green.

2019
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:23,280
I don't if it's really facing the the

2020
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:27,280
glass is facing the western there really

2021
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:30,960
aren't are there neighbors over I would

2022
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:32,560
um so you keep yourself [laughter]

2023
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,719
probably for your art you're probably

2024
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:38,480
going to keep

2025
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:41,280
no it's it's beautiful it's the thing I

2026
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:43,280
would be interested in is seeing the

2027
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,840
storage and letting the neighbors see

2028
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:48,639
the story because I think couple of

2029
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,960
height I'm still tired

2030
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:54,520
what's allowable just make sure

2031
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,520
» We're working that

2032
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:02,560
» Okay okay

2033
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:05,360
there um okay so what I've heard is uh

2034
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,960
ASRB commends the applicant for the

2035
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,480
proposed design and materials that are

2036
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,080
consistent with the residential design

2037
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:12,719
guidelines

2038
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:15,440
um and that to work with staff to

2039
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:17,840
minimize paved area and surface coverage

2040
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,679
um and also story pole install ation

2041
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:23,360
which will be required at the next

2042
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:25,840
stage. Um and that will help uh for

2043
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:28,480
neighbors and the ASRB visualize the

2044
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:31,360
heights of the structures. Um so no

2045
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:33,120
story plers are are installed. Um so

2046
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,360
this would have to go back to the ASRB

2047
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,440
for formal design review. Uh but is

2048
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:40,320
there are there any other comments um

2049
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:44,880
that I missed? Um like the earlier

2050
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:47,360
project where we moved to have the story

2051
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,120
poll or just move the item to consent

2052
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:53,000
agenda. Did that apply here as well?

2053
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,000
» Yeah, you it can always apply.

2054
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,080
» Okay.

2055
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:00,560
» Sure.

2056
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:02,320
» Yep. But if the item is on consent and

2057
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,239
we do receive desk items on that or

2058
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,600
comments, we can pull it. Anybody a

2059
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:07,600
member of the public can ask for it to

2060
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,679
be pulled or the ASR any member of the

2061
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:13,520
ASRB can pull the item for consent.

2062
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:16,080
» Let's move forward with that.

2063
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:19,120
» Okay. So, I have a motion uh based on

2064
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:22,639
the uh recommendations that I've stated

2065
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:28,600
and to move to ASRB for formal design

2066
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:28,600
review. Um and is there a second?

2067
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,760
» I'd second.

2068
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:37,840
And then to clarify to move it to ASR

2069
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:39,920
beyond consent. Um

2070
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:42,560
» Second

2071
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,080
» I be will we get a materials board at

2072
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,840
the same time as the story?

2073
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,800
» Yep. Yeah. All that stuff is required as

2074
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,920
part of formal design review. Yep.

2075
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,480
» Chair Lindseay.

2076
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,840
» Yes.

2077
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,880
» Vice Chair Comra.

2078
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,480
» Member Delgavio.

2079
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,320
» Yes. Member Sullivan.

2080
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,960
» Yes.

2081
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:57,679
» Thank you.

2082
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,679
» Thank you.

2083
01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:00,679
» Congratulations.

2084
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:14,320
Last but not least.

2085
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:18,159
» Okay.

2086
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:21,639
» Um, moving to the

2087
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,639
last project.

2088
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:28,320
» First and last question.

2089
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,199
Item five on tonight's agenda, 387 Moore

2090
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:37,800
Road

2091
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:37,800
and Diego is presenting.

2092
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,679
Hello and thank you. I will be

2093
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:51,280
introducing the project at 387 Moore

2094
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:53,520
Road for ASRB review. Uh for this

2095
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:56,080
conceptual design review project, the

2096
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:58,080
applicant is proposing to construct a

2097
01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:01,280
new single family dwelling with a

2098
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:04,000
detached garage, an accessory structure

2099
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:05,840
and associated site improvements. Uh to

2100
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,159
give a quick background related to this

2101
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:11,120
project site, uh there were two previous

2102
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:13,040
iterations that went before the ASRB uh

2103
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,159
as well as the planning commission uh

2104
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,400
most recently in 2023. And as mentioned

2105
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:20,080
in the staff report, uh the applicant

2106
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,400
did not submit a complete building

2107
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:25,120
permit application from that previously

2108
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:27,600
approved project. Uh the building permit

2109
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:30,159
application has since expired. And as

2110
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,760
this project is a new design with uh

2111
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:34,000
significant changes to the building

2112
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:36,239
footprint uh from what was previously

2113
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,400
proposed and approved. Uh this project

2114
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:41,360
is being brought to the ASRB tonight as

2115
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,520
a new CDR. And uh as the planning

2116
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:46,719
director mentioned, uh there is one desk

2117
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:50,080
item related to this agenda item um

2118
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:51,679
labeled as desk item number five.

2119
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,840
Uh it's from the neighbor to the

2120
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:55,920
northwest of the project site. The

2121
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:58,960
adjacent neighbor states that given the

2122
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:01,040
locations of the proposed structures uh

2123
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,719
being near the other properties uh the

2124
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:05,199
applicant should look towards adding

2125
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:07,600
additional landscape screening between

2126
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:09,440
the residents at the project site and

2127
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,480
the nearby residents especially to the

2128
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:14,639
north and west. Uh should the board uh

2129
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:16,960
provide the recommendation to add

2130
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:18,719
landscape screening, uh staff would work

2131
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,040
with the applicant during the uh later

2132
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:22,800
stages of the design review uh to

2133
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:26,040
address this neighbor's request from the

2134
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,040
desk item.

2135
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:40,159
And for the property description, um,

2136
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:42,159
property size is 6.94 acres and is in

2137
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:43,920
the SCP5,

2138
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:46,639
uh, special conservation planning zoning

2139
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,320
district and it's accessed from Moore

2140
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:51,199
Road, a private road extending from

2141
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:53,199
Woodside Road to the northwest. A town

2142
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:55,120
designated stream corridor extends along

2143
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:57,600
the western side of the property and

2144
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:00,239
drains to Athen Creek. Uh the subject

2145
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:02,639
site is currently undeveloped and as you

2146
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:04,639
can see from that uh aerial photograph

2147
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:07,360
that the subject site is within that

2148
01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:11,719
scenic corridor and is also in close

2149
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,719
proximity to interstate 280

2150
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:18,560
and this is the topographic survey of

2151
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:20,960
that vacant lot.

2152
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:23,040
Uh and as noted in the SAF report, uh

2153
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:25,600
that clouded outline that you see on

2154
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:28,400
that upper portion of the lot is the

2155
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:31,040
building uh envelope restriction that

2156
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:33,840
the um applicants are restricted to as a

2157
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:37,239
result of that lot creation parcel um

2158
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,239
from 2014.

2159
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:42,159
And this slide here is the proposed site

2160
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:44,639
plan showing the locations of the

2161
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:46,239
proposed structure. You can see that the

2162
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:50,080
proposed main residence is in that

2163
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:52,560
northwest uh corner and uh the proposed

2164
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:57,080
detached garage and accessory structure

2165
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:57,080
are located east of that main residence.

2166
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:02,159
These next few slides are the proposed

2167
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:04,159
elevations. Uh starting with the main

2168
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:06,400
residence/dwelling.

2169
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:10,080
Uh the top shows the north elevation uh

2170
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:12,320
the uphill side. The bottom uh rendering

2171
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:16,600
shows the south elevation, the one

2172
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,600
facing uh Interstate 280.

2173
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:24,560
This uh is the east elevation for the

2174
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:26,960
proposed main residence

2175
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,040
and the bottom shows the west elevation

2176
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:32,040
uh also facing towards uh Interstate

2177
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,040
280.

2178
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,800
Uh these are the proposed elevations for

2179
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,199
that detached garage and accessory

2180
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,280
structure. And as noted in the staff

2181
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:43,280
report, the accessory structure uh

2182
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:46,320
currently does not qualify for an ADU

2183
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:48,639
because there is no u full bathroom. Uh

2184
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,840
but should uh the applicant want to

2185
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:54,000
create this uh into an ADU, uh they can

2186
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,679
work with staff during the later uh

2187
01:33:54,000 --> 01:34:00,040
review

2188
01:33:55,679 --> 01:34:00,040
design review stages. Um

2189
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,800
although not required for conceptual

2190
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:07,840
design review uh for physical sample

2191
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:11,040
materials uh the applicant has provided

2192
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:13,760
digital uh samples uh so including that

2193
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:16,560
vertical wood sighting uh they have a

2194
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:19,920
split face limestone veneer stucco

2195
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:22,159
finish concrete retaining walls turtle

2196
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:25,120
glass which as noted in the staff report

2197
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:27,120
would uh better shield uh uh light

2198
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:30,880
emissions uh towards inner Interstate

2199
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:34,199
280 as well as painted steel uh and

2200
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,199
metal roofing.

2201
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:38,320
And these last couple slides are

2202
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,159
additional renderings provided by the

2203
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:44,280
applicant starting with uh additional

2204
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:44,280
renderings for that main residence

2205
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:51,280
and additional renderings for that

2206
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:53,440
detached garage and accessory structure.

2207
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:55,600
That concludes my presentation. Staff is

2208
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:57,679
happy to answer any questions. Uh story

2209
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,760
polls were installed at the site uh at

2210
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:02,639
least 10 days prior to tonight's hearing

2211
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:04,480
date and the architect is also here in

2212
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:06,560
person to answer any questions. Thank

2213
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:09,199
you.

2214
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,840
» Thank you. Any questions for staff?

2215
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:12,800
» What was what did the house

2216
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,595
do we have?

2217
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,800
» Sure, I can show that. Um

2218
01:35:15,595 --> 01:35:18,000
[snorts]

2219
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,760
» Yeah, there there was a couple

2220
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:22,480
iterations on it. I happened to work on

2221
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:25,520
them. Um they they were similar in kind

2222
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:28,400
of in terms of you know kind of

2223
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:30,239
placement and footprint u materials

2224
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:34,360
changed in a couple different iterations

2225
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:34,360
but I can show you.

2226
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,760
So the top uh image that you see here

2227
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,840
was the previously approved scheme of

2228
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:46,800
that 2018

2229
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:50,560
uh conceptual design project. I went

2230
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:53,600
back um with planning commission in 2023

2231
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:56,400
uh for uh project changes including a

2232
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:59,679
greeting exception as noted in the staff

2233
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:02,560
report and uh the one that's being

2234
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:05,840
presented tonight the new scheme is

2235
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:07,600
shown in this bottom um image below. And

2236
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:10,159
I think what you'll want to note is that

2237
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:13,600
with all of their designs, uh, one of

2238
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:15,760
the key factors, the noise from I280 and

2239
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,000
trying to design the building a way to

2240
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,280
where their outdoor recreational space

2241
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,520
was kind of shielded by different

2242
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:25,400
elements, but the architect can best

2243
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,400
speak to that. Yeah.

2244
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:34,080
Um in the previous iteration was was the

2245
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:35,679
planning commission step required the

2246
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,400
because of the amount of grading or

2247
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:38,159
gradient.

2248
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,920
» Yeah, if I recall correctly the very

2249
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:42,719
first design did not require grading

2250
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:45,360
exception then they made changes um to

2251
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:47,920
where a grad exception was required. Uh

2252
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:51,239
so that was part of the approval of the

2253
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,239
second design.

2254
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:55,440
Um I we don't have those details at the

2255
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,960
conceptual level. The applicant can

2256
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:58,400
maybe give a guess if they think they

2257
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:02,440
might need a grain exception or not. We

2258
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,440
just don't have those details yet.

2259
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:09,360
Okay. Yeah. I think I'll wait till the

2260
01:37:07,679 --> 01:37:13,360
applicant's presentation. Any other

2261
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:15,280
questions of staff? No.

2262
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,520
» No. Great.

2263
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:19,440
Um, that will move to the applicant's

2264
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:22,320
presentation. Welcome.

2265
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:23,040
» Hi everybody. My name's Nick Miller.

2266
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:26,040
» Red.

2267
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,040
» Sure.

2268
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:32,159
» Oh, nice. Thank you.

2269
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:35,440
» I'm used to that though. Yeah.

2270
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:37,360
» Um, so I've been involved with this

2271
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:40,639
actually pre in the previous iterations

2272
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:42,960
as well. So I've been to the site a lot.

2273
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:46,239
I think I've gotten five ticks over the

2274
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:48,080
years there walking that site.

2275
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:50,480
Yeah, the weeds are really high there.

2276
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:53,280
Um,

2277
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:55,199
yeah, I'm the architect. Um, so it's a

2278
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,840
pretty challenging site. Uh, as you guys

2279
01:37:55,199 --> 01:38:01,600
can tell, it's obviously noise is a huge

2280
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:03,520
concern, but it's juxtaposed against the

2281
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:05,280
fact that the view is incredible. So,

2282
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:08,639
it's like the view is amazing out over

2283
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,840
280. So, we've gotten a noise consultant

2284
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:11,840
involved through the years, and

2285
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:14,000
generally what they always say is if you

2286
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:17,520
can block it with the building mass,

2287
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:19,040
that does a lot. Um, the interior spaces

2288
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,719
are different, but in terms of where you

2289
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,400
put the exterior spaces, that's kind of

2290
01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:24,719
the challenge we had here. So, in the

2291
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:27,040
previous one that was approved, we

2292
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:30,239
actually enclosed an entire interior

2293
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:32,000
courtyard. Um, and then there was a

2294
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:33,920
number of reasons why the previous

2295
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,239
owners decided not to move forward with

2296
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:38,000
the project, but now with this

2297
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:40,080
iteration, we kind of changed the

2298
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,840
approach. So, we're trying to make sure

2299
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:46,960
that the outdoor space has a good

2300
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:49,440
connection, uh, down to the yard. Um, so

2301
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:51,440
with this design, uh, we've been able to

2302
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:53,520
orient it south, which has really great

2303
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:56,560
views, but one benefit of that is our

2304
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:59,199
bedroom wing can block out the closest

2305
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:01,199
part of 280.

2306
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:03,840
um which we were informed is is probably

2307
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:06,159
causing most of the noise concerns.

2308
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,760
We tried to not turn it so much that it

2309
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:10,560
felt like a giant wall, you know, as

2310
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,000
you're driving by on 280. Um so we kind

2311
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,760
of found a happy medium there, and

2312
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:18,320
that's what you're seeing in the design

2313
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:21,280
reflected here. Um

2314
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:23,520
okay, let's see what else. Um we tried

2315
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:26,639
to step the building, the roofs with the

2316
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:29,119
hillside. Uh there's enough slope to

2317
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:30,320
this where the back side of the building

2318
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,880
where the garage is is actually

2319
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:34,400
completely buried in the hillside which

2320
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,840
for me was actually kind of fun. It's an

2321
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,360
interesting feature. You essentially the

2322
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,119
hillside will look like it's spilling on

2323
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,520
as a green roof. And we carried that

2324
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:42,880
through into this standalone garage as

2325
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:46,768
well. So the the garage on the main

2326
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:49,040
house has a similar design element.

2327
01:39:46,768 --> 01:39:51,600
[snorts] Um because of the views uh

2328
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,600
glass is sort of inevitable for anyone

2329
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:57,119
who would be interested in in living

2330
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:59,440
here. So, it's um we thought by bringing

2331
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:02,400
that bedroom wing around and as well as

2332
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:03,760
trying to use this what they call turtle

2333
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:06,560
glass, but it's essentially it's

2334
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:09,694
reducing the glare. We thought that was

2335
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,639
the best way to try and mitigate that.

2336
01:40:09,694 --> 01:40:11,280
[snorts]

2337
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:12,880
Um

2338
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,840
» You sorry.

2339
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,520
» Yeah, go ahead.

2340
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:19,679
» Could you expand on this specific

2341
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:22,719
sentence here associated with this? So I

2342
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:26,400
just want to understand when located 10

2343
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:28,159
ft above finish floor or facing 280 view

2344
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:30,000
corridor.

2345
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:31,679
» Yes, that's kind of a carryover from

2346
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,400
what was previously approved and that's

2347
01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:36,000
what had been suggested to us as some

2348
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,719
the best thing we could do to mitigate

2349
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:42,000
it. Um I could see an argument there

2350
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:45,840
could be on all of the faces facing 280

2351
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,960
perhaps it could be beneficial. Um yeah,

2352
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:50,159
I think that's something we would

2353
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:53,119
consider. Um,

2354
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:54,880
another thing to add on, uh, someone had

2355
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:56,800
commented the neighbor about screening

2356
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:59,199
trees, and we're 100% in favor of that.

2357
01:40:56,800 --> 01:41:00,320
We we would like that as well. There's

2358
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:02,239
something kind of interesting about the

2359
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,760
site is all the neighbors are actually

2360
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:06,639
screened from the site just by the

2361
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:08,080
natural topography, but 280, everyone

2362
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:10,560
sees it as you're driving by 280.

2363
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,320
There's a lot of trees there. Um, but

2364
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,040
but everyone will see this structure as

2365
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:16,040
they drive by on 280.

2366
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:19,119
» Yes.

2367
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,800
Okay.

2368
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:27,080
» Uh, yeah, I think that pretty much

2369
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:27,080
covers what I wanted to make sure.

2370
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,800
» Yeah.

2371
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:37,840
» That that bedroom wing there. Yeah. So,

2372
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,679
what we're trying to do is uh we've

2373
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,199
nicknamed it the cenote, but if you go

2374
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:43,440
to the floor plan, we're trying to

2375
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:45,679
create a space down on the lower level

2376
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:48,480
that's kind of buried in there that will

2377
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:51,280
be really protected from sound. So,

2378
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,040
we're trying to offer one outdoor space

2379
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:55,150
that we know the decibb are going to get

2380
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:57,170
really low.

2381
01:41:55,150 --> 01:41:57,170
[snorts]

2382
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,800
Yeah, you kind of see it tucked in there

2383
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:03,920
in that view. Yeah.

2384
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:07,040
Okay.

2385
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,040
» Any other questions?

2386
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,760
Oh, can I add one more thing?

2387
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:11,600
» Sure.

2388
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,760
» I just wanted to point out that we we

2389
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,199
actually left the driveway. We made sure

2390
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:19,119
the driveway could remain from the

2391
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:20,960
previously approved one. Um Jim Toby's

2392
01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:22,400
here, but we we did a lot of work

2393
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:25,119
previously on trying to design the

2394
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:26,719
driveway, did the lease cut and fill.

2395
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:28,159
So, that was one thing that we wanted to

2396
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:31,159
make sure we maintained with this new

2397
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,159
design.

2398
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,199
Thank you.

2399
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:38,159
» Thanks.

2400
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:41,679
Um, question for Jim actually. So given

2401
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:45,360
the distance between the main house and

2402
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:46,560
the current nonADU, but is encouraged to

2403
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,000
be an ADU.

2404
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,440
» I'm sorry, I totally missed what you

2405
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,960
said. [laughter]

2406
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:57,520
So that the I think it's labeled uh show

2407
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:59,040
garage, but it has also has a not yet an

2408
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,320
ADU structure in it.

2409
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,639
» So if it doesn't have a bathroom, then

2410
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:05,040
it's not an ADU technically. Um,

2411
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:06,480
» I think his staff report was suggesting

2412
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,639
that could be a future discussion

2413
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:10,159
whether to make that a full ADU.

2414
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:12,719
» Yeah, if it meets the definition of an

2415
01:43:10,159 --> 01:43:14,639
ADU, then we can classify as an ADU.

2416
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:16,320
» If it were, would that require a

2417
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:17,920
separate septic?

2418
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,280
» No, that would be part of the original

2419
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,760
the overall septic system.

2420
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,119
» Okay.

2421
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,560
» So, regardless of what it is, if it

2422
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:25,360
turns into an ADU, it's an extra

2423
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,119
bedroom. So, we'd have to um enlarge the

2424
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,480
the septic a little bit,

2425
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:29,920
» But it wouldn't You're still going to

2426
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:31,360
bring everything to the same septic

2427
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,840
system. And there's plenty of room in

2428
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:32,159
the site.

2429
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,600
» Okay.

2430
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:34,880
» It's not like a lot of other projects we

2431
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,080
work on where fighting trying to find

2432
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,840
every little square inch. There's

2433
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:40,159
there's plenty of room on this site.

2434
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:42,080
» Yeah. I was just wondering given the

2435
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:43,520
distance of that structure relative to

2436
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,800
the main structure, it's

2437
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:47,600
» No problems at all. Okay.

2438
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:49,600
» Yeah.

2439
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:51,199
» Uh let's see.

2440
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,080
would say.

2441
01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:53,760
» Yeah.

2442
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:59,119
» Yeah. Right. Right on the verge of that.

2443
01:43:53,760 --> 01:44:01,040
Yeah. Um it's probably 300 300 yards.

2444
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:01,679
Let's see. Oh, there's a dimension there

2445
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,080
actually.

2446
01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:06,639
» There it is. 334 feet.

2447
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:09,280
» Yeah.

2448
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:11,840
» Yeah. [clears throat] 334 ft.

2449
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:13,840
» Pretty pretty wide distance away.

2450
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,199
There's a little drainage ravine with a

2451
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,679
bunch of trees in the middle between the

2452
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:20,080
two where the um you know that area is

2453
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:22,080
not going to be touched at all. So it

2454
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:24,159
gives kind of it really separates the

2455
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:27,480
property in half almost with this

2456
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,480
natural feature.

2457
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:35,440
» We're trying to keep as many as we can.

2458
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:37,119
I think there's a cluster of three that

2459
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:38,320
get really close to the house and we're

2460
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:40,719
probably going to have to remove one of

2461
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:43,679
those, but the other ones will remain.

2462
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:45,280
Yeah,

2463
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:50,040
the area of the ravine won't be touched

2464
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:50,040
at all. It's all in a 35% area.

2465
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,840
Any other questions?

2466
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:02,719
I think for me the walking the site and

2467
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:05,679
standing in the story poles looking due

2468
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:08,960
south is 280 is

2469
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:10,960
there present. Um,

2470
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:13,840
uh, light emission is a big concern of

2471
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:16,320
ours in the residential guidelines and,

2472
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:18,000
uh, just don't know how those are going

2473
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:21,280
to reconcile each other. Scenic

2474
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:24,320
corridor, straight view to 280, a wall

2475
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:29,440
of glass. So, is turtle glass going to

2476
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:31,440
solve that problem or is it is it uh

2477
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:32,320
what we want to avoid is a beacon on the

2478
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:35,199
hill?

2479
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:37,280
» Yeah, I understand. Um yeah, we I think

2480
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:38,719
we would be totally amendable to trying

2481
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,960
to reduce the amount of glass,

2482
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:43,040
» Right? Is it realistic to consider a

2483
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:44,560
lighting study to see what potential

2484
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:46,639
impact is?

2485
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,760
» What would that uh encompass when you

2486
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:50,800
say lighting study?

2487
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:53,679
» Um modeling the light emission from the

2488
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:57,520
house relative [snorts] to the distance

2489
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:59,440
280 is is probably

2490
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,040
over a half mile, I think.

2491
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:02,239
» Yeah. I' I've never done that before,

2492
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,600
but we could look into it. Yeah.

2493
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:04,880
» Yeah.

2494
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,159
So just, you know, I know you guys have

2495
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,600
looked at true gloss before. It's

2496
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:09,920
something I've seen on a lot of projects

2497
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,679
in Woodside and it does reduce the glare

2498
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:14,480
quite a bit. It might be something you

2499
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:16,880
can we can share maybe the specs of the

2500
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:18,320
um manufacturer that that demonstrates

2501
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:20,560
how much it reduces. I mean the whole

2502
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:22,239
point why it's called turtle glassass is

2503
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:24,480
my understanding is you know it was in

2504
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:26,159
an area where turtles in Florida

2505
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:28,320
» They didn't they were worried that the

2506
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:30,560
light emissions might might disturb the

2507
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:32,320
you know the reproductive of the uh

2508
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,840
turtles they were migrating there and so

2509
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:36,159
they come up with this glass that really

2510
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:37,840
limited the amount of uh glare coming

2511
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,560
out of it. So that really made a big

2512
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,159
difference. So

2513
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,388
» Is that the origin of the name?

2514
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:44,480
» That's my understanding. I've heard

2515
01:46:41,388 --> 01:46:46,159
[laughter] that's the story I've heard.

2516
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:48,320
» Yeah. I just this is this is my really

2517
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:50,719
my only area of concern is just this

2518
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:52,560
potential impact [clears throat] of the

2519
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:54,080
light emission from this.

2520
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,600
» Yeah, I I totally understand that

2521
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:57,040
concern. I think we could reduce the

2522
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,040
amount of glass. We could even also look

2523
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:00,480
at some louvers potentially that are

2524
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,400
screening it from that, you know what I

2525
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:04,800
mean? That would allow light in, but

2526
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:06,239
that might even be a benefit to the the

2527
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:07,760
project now that I'm thinking about it

2528
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:11,080
because it might help screen your view

2529
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,080
down to 280.

2530
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:22,560
I mean, if you're not really there's not

2531
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:24,400
neighbors.

2532
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,960
» It might I mean, are is it Valley Road

2533
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:28,239
or is it like more the Stanford property

2534
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,920
over

2535
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:31,600
» The linear accelerator is really far

2536
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:34,000
away, but it is that direction. Yeah,

2537
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,920
for sure. Stanford property.

2538
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:37,679
» It's not the light's not going down to

2539
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,719
Valley Road right at the end of War

2540
01:47:37,679 --> 01:47:39,440
Road, right? It's

2541
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:40,639
» No, no, no,

2542
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,920
» No. So it would be going

2543
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:42,719
» It would only be going towards the

2544
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,880
Stanford property.

2545
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:46,080
» The st the Lawler Ranch property, right?

2546
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,440
Yeah. So at this point

2547
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:50,159
» Yeah. Lawler Ranch.

2548
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:50,880
» Your name Stanford's going to take if

2549
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:52,784
they ever build.

2550
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,360
» I don't know if it's in our lifetimes,

2551
01:47:52,784 --> 01:47:53,679
[laughter]

2552
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,119
» Right?

2553
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:57,920
» I worked on that one for decades.

2554
01:47:55,119 --> 01:48:01,040
» So the light isn't really shining in the

2555
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,159
ne there are no neighbors do.

2556
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,000
» Yeah, that's the interesting thing about

2557
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:05,119
the site. Yeah, it's really 280. That's

2558
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,480
what it is. It's

2559
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:10,560
» You can see it right across the way the

2560
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:13,040
open patch. That's Stanford's property.

2561
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:15,440
Right. The L.

2562
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:19,840
Yeah.

2563
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:21,679
» Okay. Any other questions?

2564
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:24,239
» And I do have to say I know that it is a

2565
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:26,480
scenic quarter and so you don't want,

2566
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:28,400
you know, we don't really want the light

2567
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:30,320
and we've looked at other houses along

2568
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:33,119
here and I notice when I'm I'm driving

2569
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:35,520
from Sandfield to to Woodside, I keep

2570
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:36,159
looking and you really you're so busy on

2571
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,040
the freeway.

2572
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:41,600
» Yeah. You're not going to see very much.

2573
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:43,360
I mean there are a lot of trees as well.

2574
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,880
» I've done some dangerous things when I

2575
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:47,280
was done a lot of trees a number of

2576
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,080
years ago but there's still a good

2577
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,600
screening going on.

2578
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:52,000
» There's quite a bit of screening. I know

2579
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:54,719
when I tried to look at houses there

2580
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:56,800
either get in an accident or Yeah.

2581
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:58,080
You're not really seeing.

2582
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,360
» I've worked on this property for so many

2583
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,880
years. I keep wanting to look up there

2584
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,159
and I can't hardly find it when I'm

2585
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,400
driving on 280 myself.

2586
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:05,920
» Yeah.

2587
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,280
» So it is really hard to see.

2588
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:09,520
But yeah, Don, I think we're we're

2589
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:12,080
totally amendable to trying to reduce it

2590
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:13,920
somewhat and add some louvers. Something

2591
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,920
like that. I think could probably pretty

2592
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:19,300
easily solve.

2593
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,300
Okay, [clears throat]

2594
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:24,960
no more questions left. Uh move to uh

2595
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:27,760
public comment. So, any member of the

2596
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:30,800
public who's in the room or online who

2597
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:33,440
wishes to make comment on this proposed

2598
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:34,719
uh development, feel free to do so.

2599
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:36,239
There are no members of the public

2600
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:37,920
online.

2601
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:40,080
» Who are the six people who are online?

2602
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:43,119
Just you guys. [laughter]

2603
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:46,119
» Good to know.

2604
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:46,119
» Um,

2605
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:53,280
» All right. The that would close public

2606
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:55,440
comment and uh board deliberation.

2607
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:57,920
Anyone wishes to sort of sum summarize

2608
01:49:55,440 --> 01:50:00,560
their thoughts on this and next steps?

2609
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,199
Appreciate it.

2610
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:05,760
» No comments for me. It's very nice

2611
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:07,440
project and being set way back away from

2612
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,760
the highway like that should be no

2613
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:12,320
issues.

2614
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,840
» I think if we get the commitment to look

2615
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:17,119
at some of the light emissions that

2616
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:19,280
might create or stop from creating the

2617
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:20,639
beacon on the hill. I think it's a

2618
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,560
beautiful property. I think they've done

2619
01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:26,520
a wonderful job with the finishes and

2620
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:26,520
the architecture is beautiful.

2621
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:33,520
Well, I lived on Mor Road for 18 years,

2622
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:36,000
so I know that whole property and u it's

2623
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:40,080
a beautiful street. It's a gorgeous

2624
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,800
street. I think the design is gorgeous.

2625
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,800
It

2626
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,239
» I think it's better than the original.

2627
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:47,600
I'm not sure if that was worse the

2628
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:49,440
original, but [laughter] I do like it a

2629
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:51,600
little bit better. definitely seems to

2630
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:54,880
you modernize it. Uh, you know, and the

2631
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:58,719
materials really do fit in side of the

2632
01:50:54,880 --> 01:51:01,280
hill. Um, that, you know, the sandstone

2633
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:05,760
is just, you know, most of the time it's

2634
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:07,679
never going to. So,

2635
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:09,840
um, but I I like the project. I think

2636
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:13,760
that the more you can bury into that

2637
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:16,080
house, the less you're going to get.

2638
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:17,679
» Green roofs are pretty special, too.

2639
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:20,320
Yeah,

2640
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:23,040
» Good. Um, yeah, I think it's a it's a

2641
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:25,199
it's a grand project. Um, I do like fact

2642
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:26,800
taking an approach of trying to bury as

2643
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:30,000
much of the structure at the rear into

2644
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:32,080
the hillside. Um,

2645
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:35,199
we'll see whether it requires a grading

2646
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:38,080
exception or not. Um, terms of colors

2647
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:40,719
and materials, um, I have no no

2648
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:43,440
concerns. Um but I do think that

2649
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:46,400
lighting remains a concern and for that

2650
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:49,599
reason I'm going to add to the motion

2651
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:51,760
that um it does come back to the ASRB

2652
01:51:49,599 --> 01:51:54,480
even though story psy poles are

2653
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:57,119
installed and I think coming back to the

2654
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:59,199
ASRB with some sort of proposed solution

2655
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:02,639
um or at the very least that the problem

2656
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:04,400
has been looked at more methodically to

2657
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:07,679
understand what any potential impact

2658
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:10,000
there is given it's a scenic corridor.

2659
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:11,679
» Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we would just prefer

2660
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,760
if it either comes back or it doesn't

2661
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:14,639
come back with the recommendations.

2662
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:18,520
» It's going to come back.

2663
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:18,520
» Yeah. So, so

2664
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:23,360
» If it if it needs to go, so formal

2665
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:26,480
designer view will require a lighting

2666
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:29,360
plan. So, it'll identify the this

2667
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:33,599
particular exterior light fixtures um is

2668
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:35,840
what's provided. Um, and then the the

2669
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:38,960
comments I heard is that the applicant

2670
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:41,679
was commended for using uh materials and

2671
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:45,119
colors that blend in with the site um

2672
01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:47,760
and to uh partially bury build into the

2673
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:50,159
hillside for both structures.

2674
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:52,560
The applicant is recommended to look at

2675
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:55,199
light emission and ways to minimize

2676
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:57,520
light emission such as reducing the

2677
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:59,840
amount of glass using turtle glass

2678
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,948
throughout the project. Um to include

2679
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,199
the specifications

2680
01:53:01,948 --> 01:53:05,360
[clears throat] uh to identify the

2681
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:07,840
amount of lighting to be reduced, the

2682
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:10,159
light emission to be reduced um and to

2683
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:13,920
consider using louvers on some roll of

2684
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:16,159
the windows. And the applicant noted uh

2685
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,639
that in response to the desk item that

2686
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:21,119
we received that they would provide

2687
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:22,960
landscaping between the main residence

2688
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:26,800
and the northwest property line shared

2689
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:30,800
with 545 Moore Road. Um and then with

2690
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:33,040
that uh there was the comment to bring

2691
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:35,520
this back to the ASRB for formal design

2692
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:37,280
review. Um, if some type of planning

2693
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:39,840
commission entitlement is required, such

2694
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:41,440
as a grading exception, ASRB would make

2695
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,880
a recommendation to the planning

2696
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:44,239
commission at that time and the

2697
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,520
commission would take final action on

2698
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:48,960
the project.

2699
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:50,960
» Just minor clarification on language for

2700
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,719
light emission. Um, I don't I don't

2701
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,679
think it's necessarily reduce. I think

2702
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:57,199
it's more control or direct light

2703
01:53:55,679 --> 01:53:59,199
emissions.

2704
01:53:57,199 --> 01:54:01,840
Um, because I do think the problem is

2705
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:02,560
pretty narrowly focused in specific

2706
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,239
directions.

2707
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,000
» Great. No, that that's helpful.

2708
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:07,520
» As far as the turtle glass too on the

2709
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:09,760
entire property, I don't know that it's

2710
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:11,520
necessary, but on the sides that would

2711
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:15,560
be most reflective,

2712
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:15,560
» The ones facing the the

2713
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:21,679
» Good have to say

2714
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:24,639
I mean from a digital standpoint of

2715
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:27,280
turtle cloud I mean they use them on a

2716
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:32,400
lot of like commercial buildings. One of

2717
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:34,480
the pictures you showed us um I

2718
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:37,760
I mean it maybe get for light emissions

2719
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:39,360
it does make a difference but um from a

2720
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:41,840
science

2721
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:44,840
have the same

2722
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,840
most

2723
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,639
I don't force them to use turtle glass

2724
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:51,119
» So I just want to but I would like to

2725
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:53,520
hear from the entire ASRB so I've heard

2726
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:57,800
to use turtle glass in some areas I have

2727
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,800
one member say no turtle glass

2728
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:02,400
» So I just want So

2729
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:04,320
» It's got its own

2730
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,080
» With a motion that should just be

2731
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,639
clarified in a second in the vote.

2732
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:11,119
» I think it's I'll see if I can take a

2733
01:55:08,639 --> 01:55:14,080
stab at refining it. So I think it's as

2734
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:15,599
part of the overall light emissions

2735
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:19,280
solution.

2736
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:24,000
Um if turtle glass can play a role in

2737
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:25,520
that effectively um then I think that's

2738
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,840
fine.

2739
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,960
And if Uber and other options help

2740
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,119
instead,

2741
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,719
» Yes, they can provide any they'll be

2742
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:35,440
coming back to the ASRB so they can

2743
01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:37,920
identify what they've done to look at um

2744
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:40,800
controlling uh the amount of emissions

2745
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:43,119
and a direction. I I'm not familiar with

2746
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:45,119
the properties of turtle glass enough to

2747
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:46,719
know whe

2748
01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:49,520
I mean I think there it's designed too

2749
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:51,920
so birds don't fly into it much. Um but

2750
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:54,880
it's got this blue look to it. It's not

2751
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:56,960
the clear glass. I mean, unless it's

2752
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:59,040
been approved, but

2753
01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:01,280
» I think that's an aesthetic choice.

2754
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,159
» Force an applicant to use a certain type

2755
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:05,520
of

2756
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:08,480
» That's fair. Yep. It also helps that

2757
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,679
we're a,000 ft or more from anybody

2758
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:13,920
being with all the vegetation along 280,

2759
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:16,960
you're going to hardly see it. And if

2760
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:18,480
you were, you were talking about very

2761
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,320
long distance. This is not a

2762
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,159
neighborhood where you're 50 feet from

2763
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:24,320
your neighbor. The the distances are

2764
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:25,920
huge. And with a landscaping and so

2765
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,159
forth, it I just don't think it's much

2766
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:30,560
of an issue. Even the level of light

2767
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:33,920
emission at that distance is going to be

2768
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:35,679
staggeringly low. So I I think some of

2769
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:38,960
this has to do with the fact the site is

2770
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:41,840
so large and has a lot of natural slope,

2771
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,760
natural vegetation, and highways gotten

2772
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:46,080
major growth in the vegetation the last

2773
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:47,760
10 years. So a lot of those houses you

2774
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:50,320
just can't see anymore and they're going

2775
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:52,320
to continue to grow. So, I can't say

2776
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:53,679
it's really a huge hot button, but to be

2777
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:57,199
sensitive and aware of it would be

2778
01:56:53,679 --> 01:57:00,360
really appreciated.

2779
01:56:57,199 --> 01:57:00,360
» I agree.

2780
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:06,480
» So, there's a we have the motion um to

2781
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:08,960
look at light emission control and

2782
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:12,400
direction. Um to consider using turtle

2783
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:14,400
glass uh facing the I280. Um include the

2784
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:16,400
specifications of any turtle glass being

2785
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:19,360
used to identify the light emission

2786
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:21,679
reduction. um to consider louvers and

2787
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:24,639
the applicant can also provide other

2788
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:28,080
ways that they may uh find best to

2789
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:29,760
control and direct the light emission.

2790
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,760
» I'm trying to avoid us just simply

2791
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,280
approving turtle glass as a proposed

2792
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:36,719
proposed solution.

2793
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:38,960
» Yes, understood. and then noted that the

2794
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:40,400
applicant has agreed to install

2795
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:44,320
landscaping between the northwest

2796
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:46,000
neighbor at 545 Moore Road. Um, and to

2797
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,840
bring this back to ASRB for formal

2798
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,679
design review. Is there a motion?

2799
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:51,520
» Be clear. I mean, even though the

2800
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:54,480
neighbor the desk item we received

2801
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:57,760
talked about postity, um, but the home

2802
01:57:54,480 --> 01:58:00,000
is situated well within the setbacks,

2803
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:00,880
but there's no variance required here.

2804
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,560
» That's correct.

2805
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:04,639
» Okay.

2806
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:07,840
Is there a motion?

2807
01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:10,840
» I'll make a motion for that.

2808
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,840
» Second,

2809
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,239
» Chair Lindsay.

2810
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,719
» Yes.

2811
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,719
» Vice Chair Comradhood.

2812
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:37,280
So, and I think that sight direction of

2813
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:40,400
the home. I mean, you're really just

2814
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:43,400
facing you're not facing the other

2815
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,400
directly.

2816
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:48,360
You're facing south.

2817
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:54,159
» There's a motion and a second. We have

2818
01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:56,400
one. Yes.

2819
01:58:54,159 --> 01:58:59,520
» You second.

2820
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:01,199
» But we are voting. I'm a yes.

2821
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,119
Well, I'm I'm a yes for it to come back

2822
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:05,360
to us and see what the solution is. Not

2823
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:06,159
that we've said that this is the demand.

2824
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:08,400
Correct.

2825
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:11,280
» Correct. Suggestions. I would agree with

2826
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:12,960
that.

2827
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:16,719
» Vicera,

2828
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:19,199
» I would have approved it just to go to

2829
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:20,719
your department. So, I'm not quite sure

2830
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:22,639
how

2831
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:24,960
» It's there's the motion that if you

2832
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:28,080
don't agree with that motion, then you

2833
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:30,000
can vote against it. Um, if you do agree

2834
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:32,239
with the motion, you can vote for it. If

2835
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:35,040
you like the project to move forward, if

2836
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:38,239
for instance, if we had a two- two vote,

2837
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:40,000
um, that would be a denial. Um, and the

2838
01:59:38,239 --> 01:59:42,159
project wouldn't move forward in that

2839
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:44,880
case. It would need to come up with some

2840
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:46,320
other Well, we'd have a we'd have to

2841
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:49,320
have a new motion. That motion would

2842
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,320
fail.

2843
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:56,560
» Yes. For me, and you're so you're the

2844
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:59,119
fourth vote. So we have three and then

2845
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:00,560
so you're just saying no or

2846
01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:03,199
» That would not be my motion.

2847
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:06,840
» Okay. So it's a three to one vote. So

2848
02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:06,840
that the motion passes.

2849
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:12,480
» Okay.

2850
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:14,400
Technicalities.

2851
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:16,080
» So that completes this item. Um you'll

2852
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:19,119
receive a letter in the next day or two

2853
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:22,080
um outlining the next steps.

2854
02:00:19,119 --> 02:00:26,360
» Thank you. [clears throat] Thanks a lot.

2855
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:26,360
We'll be back. We'll see you soon. Yeah.

2856
02:00:28,008 --> 02:00:30,028
[cough]

2857
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:34,159
» Okay. Last last item of the agenda is

2858
02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:36,080
the director's report.

2859
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:37,520
» Yeah. Just uh I'll just quickly note um

2860
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:39,119
you know with the director's report, one

2861
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:41,119
of the main highlights we talked about

2862
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:43,920
is just the number of units, [snorts]

2863
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:46,400
residential units being permitted. Um so

2864
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:49,760
in June there were two more ADUs. No

2865
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:53,840
single family dwellings permitted.

2866
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:57,520
uh through cycle 6 through June 2026,

2867
02:00:53,840 --> 02:01:00,800
uh we have a total of 89 ADUs and a

2868
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:04,400
total of 36 single family dwellings uh

2869
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:06,239
permits issued. Um and I think we're

2870
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:08,639
poised in July probably to have at least

2871
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:12,440
three ADUs. Um but we'll run those

2872
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:12,440
numbers at the end of July.

2873
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:16,400
» Okay.

2874
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:18,960
is age when you give us a report can you

2875
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:21,119
isolate what are replacement structures

2876
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:22,560
don't add to our numbers versus what are

2877
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:23,199
actually empty properties that are

2878
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,639
actually adding

2879
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:30,000
» They're all going to add to the numbers

2880
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:31,760
so the the HCD used to only count if

2881
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,719
you're well they did a couple things

2882
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:35,920
differently right

2883
02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:39,599
» They counted permits that were final not

2884
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:42,320
issued and that if there was a a net

2885
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:43,679
zero then that wasn't counted but that

2886
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:46,880
has since changed

2887
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:49,040
So, as you may note that a significant

2888
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:51,599
increase the number of housing units

2889
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:55,840
that um need to be permitted. So, last

2890
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:59,920
cycle was in the uh low 60s um whereas

2891
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:02,080
now we're over 320 units. Uh and so

2892
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:04,880
they've changed the methodology and that

2893
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:08,480
is just strictly for permits issued. Um

2894
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:11,199
and those all count towards the the

2895
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:13,119
housing targets. So if we had 50 houses

2896
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:14,480
that are being torn down and replaced,

2897
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:16,000
we get credit for that.

2898
02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:17,520
» That's correct.

2899
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:20,639
» And I mean, I think what we are seeing

2900
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:22,080
is that still with ADUs because a lot of

2901
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:24,880
the houses are already built on with

2902
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:26,880
houses and so we're seeing the vast

2903
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:29,920
majority of these things being new

2904
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:31,599
because we allow more ADUs now and we're

2905
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:35,280
changing rules for ADUs, making things

2906
02:02:31,599 --> 02:02:38,400
more flexible for folks. So

2907
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:40,239
» Great. Thank you.

2908
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:41,840
This is it right.

2909
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:42,320
» See you. Yes. See you in September.

2910
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,880
» September.

2911
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:47,840
» See you in September.

2912
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:51,960
» All right. With that journ adjourn the

2913
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,960
meeting at 6:39.