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a delay. Uh our apologies, but 7:14

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2026 to order. Jennifer, will you call

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roll?

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>> Council member Aberish?

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>> Here.

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>> Council member Brown?

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>> Here.

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>> Council member Gold?

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>> Here.

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>> Council member Wall? Mayor Domkalski?

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>> Thank you. Uh Council member Aberish,

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will you lead us in the Pledge of

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Allegiance?

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Right, thank you, Hassan. Um

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start queuing up for that, we have

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received a number of uh requests to move

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agenda item E up earlier in the agenda.

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council colleagues would be amenable to

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that, if we could get a a motion and a

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second, we'd for sure entertain that

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appointment. So, um pretty pretty early

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on. You have a pre-consent, pre-town

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manager report. So, we'll get that right

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out of the gates. I'm sorry. I apologize

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for those that are here for the public

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hearing. Um

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unfortunately, circumstances being what

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we need to make an adjustment to to the

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agenda. I apologize, Lisa.

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formal Let's take a formal vote on that

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real quick.

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>> Council member

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>> agenda to be right after the planning

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commission appointment.

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>> Council member Aberish?

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>> Council member Brown?

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uh public comment. So, uh persons

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wishing to address the council on any

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matter that's not been agendized are

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invited to do so uh

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right now. Uh

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a lot of enthusiasm tonight. Uh but uh

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we're not able to undertake any extended

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discussions. Of course, we can refer

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things to staff for placement on a

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but uh we've had a a terrible tragedy up

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on uh Highway 35, and we have a number

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of people here that would like to speak

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on that issue. So, tonight we are um

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going to just have public comment open

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uh to work through all those issues

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beyond the five-person limit. And we

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ready to go, so we'll kick things off

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>> Thank you. Uh so, Darren Evans uh in

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called that question or called the rule

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to question. Um it looks like it's an

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old rule based on grazing and hills and

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things. Um and there was a property that

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space for the horse that with the horse

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was healthy and happy, and there was

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room for a second horse. Um and it may

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became a big neighbor issue. And I was

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few of us in the planning commission

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afterwards spoke about it and thought

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perhaps we should change the rule to be

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more aligned with what the horse needs

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and not some archaic

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one acre issue or two acre issue. Uh

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because over time as some of these

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bigger lots perhaps get split, if we

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should give people the ability to have a

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horse on less space. And there's a great

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model of a house on Glen Craig that has

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45% is dedicated to horse, which

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actually is more space than some acre

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lots give their horse. Um and it made

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sense to approve the variance for two horses. Um so I think that if we

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guidance or the ability to change the

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and happiness of horse and not some old

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big box rule, I think it'd be great to

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be able to then allow future maybe

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subdivisions to become horse divisions

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and you can have half lots and and you

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of the land to the horses and make it

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Evans. We will Sage, I'll just throw

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» Hi town town council. Thank you for

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accommodating us this evening.

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Um I'm going to be speaking on Jacob

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Sulawaski's dusk death.

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My name is Deirdre Crome. I have lived

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in Palo Alto the past 25 years and

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served on the Palo Alto Parks and Rec

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Commission for 10 years.

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I'm a board member of the Western

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Wheelers Bicycle Club and have been

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biking all my life. I'm here to speak on

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the recent death of Jacob Sulawaski

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on Skyline Boulevard. Jacob was killed

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on his bike the morning of Saturday,

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July 11, 2026 by a speeding driver on

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Skyline Boulevard a half mile south of

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Fogarty Winery. This is also about 10

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miles south of um the four corners.

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Jacob was doing what he loved best,

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which was bicycling safely on beautiful

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mountain roads. The unnamed driver might

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have been doing what he liked best, too,

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but the difference is that this driver

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was not following the rules of the road

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and he was driving fast enough to lose

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control of his car such that he crossed

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the midline of the road and hit Jacob

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head-on.

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Jacob did not have a chance while the

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person who killed him survived. Jacob

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represented the best of us as a human

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being and endurance bike rider. He was

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skilled.

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He was safe. He chose biking over

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driving and he did not own a car. He was

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Jacob was my friend. We rode together

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frequently. I was not as fast as him,

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but he slowed down for me to help me

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reach my goals as an endurance bike

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rider. He did this for many of us in his

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community of bike riders. He was

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generous and kind.

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We all benefited from him.

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road to other climbs where we are not as

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visible, but we are here. We are

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skilled. We are committed to bike riding

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and all the joy it brings us and deserve

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to share these roads as well. The roads

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will feel emptier without Jacob. Jacob

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was a remarkable human being all around.

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He worked as a mathematician on modeling

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ways to sequester carbon. His work had

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many applications to the petroleum

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industry and climate change research.

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His life and contributions to the world

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were tragically cut short. All the local

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residents see the speeding see the

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speeding cars all the time. The bikes

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bikers experience it equestrians

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hikers. This incident and others show

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again and again that we need to make

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changes. We need to make this road safer

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to benefit everyone. We must implement the changes so the deaths

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stop. We can honor Jacob's memory and

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the memories of others who have died by

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speeding motors on Skyline by

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implementing changes as soon as

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possible. The solutions are known. These

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are preventable deaths. Solutions

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require advocacy. We ask you to exert

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your considerable power with Caltrans

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um adopt the solutions identified by the

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South County Traffic Advisory Panel and

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expand them to all of Skyline. Thank

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>> Thank you, Deirdra. Um

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obviously first and foremost our

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heartfelt

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uh condolences to the friends and family

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of Mr. Solovsky. Um

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it's a terrible tragedy. Uh I have been

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whose office is uh you know, running

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that big stakeholder push on those

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advisory comments and um

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uh and obviously working on speed

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reduction and enforcement and um

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you might have a little bit more detail

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agency CHP and

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uh San Mateo County Sheriff's is that um

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they're working they're coordinating

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enforcement and they're they're going to

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wanted to share that with council

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they're working on having more of these

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joint um enforcement in the near future.

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circulation committee with the with

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Caltrans has been working with Lewis

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and town on how to slow traffic, how to

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four corners. Um [snorts] that's going

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to address hopefully most of the

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concerns that you have. We're still

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asking them to go further than what

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they've already presented, but it's it's been underway for some time.

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We're aware of it and we're very sorry

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what's happened. We didn't get there

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quick enough apparently.

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» Thank you, Council [clears throat]

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members.

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Good evening, Mayor Dombrowski. I hope I

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said your name correctly.

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>> That's fine.

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>> I didn't say it right. It's Dombrowski.

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>> I appreciate the effort. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. And Council, my name is Cindy

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Azrar. I live a couple miles down the

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road uh off Woodside in Redwood City

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near the border of the town of Woodside.

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I also worked in Woodside for 3 and 1/2

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years and a member of the Woodside

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Village Church. I'm here a lot. In

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addition to being a community member, a

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mom, and an avid hiker, I'm also a

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cyclist and today I'm representing the

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Western Wheelers Cycling Club.

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A little over 2 weeks ago, as you heard,

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we lost our friend and our beloved club

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member,

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Dr. Jacob Sevallosky on Skyline.

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Jacob was killed, as you know, by a

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speeding driver who crossed into the

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other lane and hit Jacob head-on,

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killing him instantly.

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He was The driver was 26.

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You already heard about Jacob and how

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much he was loved by everyone in our

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bike club and the community. He was only

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34 and brilliant. But due to this

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reckless driver, his life was cut far

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too short,

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robbing him of his chance to have a

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successful career, to contribute to

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society, to get married, or to have a

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family.

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For Jacob's sake and for everyone who

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has lost loved ones by these super

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speeders on Skyline, we're asking you to

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take action now to make Skyline safer

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for everyone.

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As you know, speeding drivers are an

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increasing problem on Skyline and other

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local roads like 84 and Highway 9.

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Cyclists are not the only impacted

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group.

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This has become a huge safety issue for

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law-abiding drivers, hikers,

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pedestrians, and local residents who

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often fear for their lives just by

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leaving their home.

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How many deaths will it take before we

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have any change?

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We thank the council for your efforts

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after another death and a community

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petition came before the council in

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February.

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We've heard that Caltrans has plans to

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rework the 84 Skyline Boulevard

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interchange.

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That's good, but we need more.

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You've advocated for a lower speed limit

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on Skyline. We agree with that, but more

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important than having a lower speed

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limit is having patrol cars on Skyline

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to enforce the existing speed limit.

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A 25 mph speed limit is useless if

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drivers can go 100 mph or more with no

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consequences.

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You as a town bordering and containing

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highways 84 and 35 can influence the

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Sheriff's Office, CHP, Caltrans, and the

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legislature.

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That's why we're asking you to adopt the

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recommendations made by the South Coast

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Traffic Advisory Panel in the report

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that was passed out.

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Your support could help pressure

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Caltrans to lower the speed limit, to

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install speed cameras, to create a

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safety corridor, and implement other

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traffic calming measures to stop the

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tragic loss of life.

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Skyline is a known raceway to drivers,

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most of whom do not even live here.

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We need to change this now to protect

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our community and so more lives are not

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senselessly lost.

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We've lost our friend and we're

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brokenhearted. Please take this

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situation seriously. We need the roads

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to be safer for everyone.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> [clears throat]

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» Yes, sir.

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>> Good evening, Council.

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>> Good evening.

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>> Um

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Give me a second. I'm not good at public

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speaking.

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Hi, my name is Shawn Reardon. I'm not

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only a cyclist, driver, husband, and

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father,

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but I'm also a local resident who has

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lived here in the mountains since 2005.

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I've seen the dangerous driving up along

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our roads go from concerning to

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dangerous to now what I would call

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consistent life-threatening.

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I ride these roads on my bike more than

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most people drive them in their cars,

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and I call them home as many of my

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cycling brothers and sisters also do.

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I personally known four riders in the

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past few years who have been hit by

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drivers on Skyline.

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One of them, Jacob Soloski, just this

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year lost his life to an out-of-control

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speed racer just south of Fogarty

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Winery.

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Also this year, there was a cyclist

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killed on Portola Road. Last August,

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there was a cyclist killed at the

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intersection of 35 and 84.

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A couple years ago, there was a cyclist

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who was killed on King's Mountain.

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It's not just cyclists. There was also a

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hit-and-run involving a single horse and

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a rider this year as well in Woodside

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area. Not to mention the numerous

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drivers and passengers that have been

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killed on these roads at the same time

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period.

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Pulling from my own experience, I was

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also in a very similar situation that

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ended up taking Jacob's life.

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It was in the same area, but just north

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of Fogarty Winery.

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I was headed north just over the rise

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near the winery. The car headed south

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around the corner at about 100 mph.

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He was already out of control. By the

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time his car came into sight,

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luckily he saw me and overcorrected. He

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ended up rolling his car across the lane

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just like Jacob's incident, but this

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time instead of hitting me, he passed

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only 50 ft in front of me.

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The difference between Jacob losing his

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life and me continuing mine

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was less than a minute of time.

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I'm not sure what can be done, but

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something has to be done. If not for

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cyclists, drivers, equestrians, hikers,

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or any other person on these roads,

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do it for your family, friends, and

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loved ones.

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This time it may have been Jacob that

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paid the price, but next time it could

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be the person sitting next to you

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or those you love most.

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Let's work together to make this last

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death on these roads because of insane

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drivers. I know as a local

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who has to drive these roads, I'd rather

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lose 5 minutes on my commute than have

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another life taken from these roads.

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Thank you for your time.

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I'd also like to say that I used to live

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at 34, 35, and 84. I now live at Kings

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Mountain community on Skyline.

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And the changes that are going to happen

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there will be really great,

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but they're not going to help further

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down on Skyline where I live.

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I don't know why, but the speed limit

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there is 50.

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There's so many houses, there's so many

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parks, there's so many trails, there's

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so many people that live there. And then

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you go just south of

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Sanitas and it's 40.

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There's less of everything down there,

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but yet the speed is lower. I don't

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understand why that is.

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There just has to be some common sense

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here. Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you.

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for being here. You're doing

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something wonderful for Dr. Solovsky, so

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we really appreciate it.

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» Thank you for listening to us tonight.

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My name's Elaine Haye and I'm from the

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Silicon Valley Bicycle Coalition. We

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represent the Santa Clara County as well

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as San Mateo County. And um a lot of

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recreational cyclists here with there

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are a lot, but I want to speak for the

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transportation cyclists.

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People that live up there and want to go

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to the store and pedestrians and

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horseback riders and dog walkers and

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everybody takes their life in their

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hands and there's no reason that the

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speeders should be the ones that went

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out and have no consequences when they

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go around and endangering everybody

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else's life.

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Um so I'm asking you to push very, very

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hard on Caltrans and the legislature

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uh to um adapt adopt the South County

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Traffic Advisory Panel recommendations

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as soon as possible. We're in an

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emergency situation here.

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All of us know someone who was killed up

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there.

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And it's you know, it's not a one-off.

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And hopefully you know that. Thank you

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very much.

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>> Thank you. Uh we have I mean I I did

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talk with uh Ray about bringing that as

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an agendaized item sometime later this

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year. So, thank you.

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I Any other uh

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public comments on this issue or any

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other issue?

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Yes, sir.

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>> Hi Council. Uh my name is Alan. I grew

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up here. Um I went to school in Boston.

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I just want to first commend the efforts

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you guys have done. I'm speaking for on

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behalf of myself, but I also echo a lot

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of the sentiments that residents have

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already gave. Uh my point I think would

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be that just with my experience

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uh growing up here

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um

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I think that I would really like to to

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see the town uh sort of be a leader in

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pushing this sort of

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uh important work that needs to be done.

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When I was in Boston, um I got involved

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a lot in transportation advocacy. And um

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in the city of Boston, uh there was a

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recent cyclist death of ironically a

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transportation

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uh planner that worked in the city. And

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in that uh situation, there was a

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quarter that was identified as unsafe

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and the city lacked to do any action for

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more than 2 years. And that led to a

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death. And I think that lack of urgency

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is what led to directly that uh terrific

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situation that terrible situation. And I

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would say that

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um

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you know, I think the city can really

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uh

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use its resources with I know you guys

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have already been in contact with

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Mueller. And I think that I I ran into

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uh Josh Becker recently. And I think if

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you guys put together efforts um across

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the entire legislator, you guys can

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really do real impact, and I just hope

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that you guys take this as serious as

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possible. Thank you so much.

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>> Absolutely. Thank you.

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I know Assembly Member Berman is in the

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mix, too, as it relates to the piloted

552
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,830
speed cameras.

553
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,880
Other comments?

554
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,030
Uh, oh.

555
00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,270
Okay.

556
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,480
» Good afternoon, everybody. My name is

557
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,080
Thomas Pema.

558
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,120
Um, I've been a cyclist here for 50

559
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:41,960
years now.

560
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,680
Woodside High School,

561
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,560
part of part of the cycling community.

562
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,120
Without reiterating everything that's

563
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,480
already been said in the same sense that

564
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,520
I've said in this room,

565
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,960
I think the one thing that needs to be

566
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,200
added,

567
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,640
um, there needs to be some

568
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,440
accountability on the drivers that

569
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,800
actually cause these. And when there's

570
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,240
recklessness involved, it really needs

571
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,280
to be upon the District Attorney to

572
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,280
actually file charges and bring somebody

573
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,480
bring one of these people to actually

574
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,160
serve some time,

575
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,720
as opposed to sweeping things under the

576
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,960
rug.

577
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,680
At this point, from my understand,

578
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:18,960
Lester,

579
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,040
um, the gal on Fidel Expressway,

580
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,240
none of these cases have actually

581
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,080
mhm, there were no accountability, even

582
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,400
there was either negligence or high

583
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,080
speed. So, I I did a bunch of reading

584
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,600
today before I came here because it

585
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,280
finally had to come.

586
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,720
I've lost count of the amount of people

587
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,480
that have died up here in 50 years.

588
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,000
And I think it's what we can do. I think

589
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,640
cameras, yes, has a possibility. Speed

590
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:47,960
limits, yeah, has a possibility.

591
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,520
Awareness, I think is the biggest one.

592
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:51,880
But right now,

593
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,640
from what I understand,

594
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,960
the District Attorney hasn't filed

595
00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,120
charges. It is our responsibility to write your letters or talk get this

596
00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,040
District Attorney to look at this case

597
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,960
as a serious case. And if we finally

598
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,120
actually have one of these things that's

599
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,800
a landmark case, it could be something

600
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,000
that's used around the country, around

601
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,400
the area of Santa Clara County,

602
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,400
California, and the United States. We're

603
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,680
not going to prevent further deaths.

604
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,560
But, we just have to get some level of

605
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,680
awareness that if people are negligent,

606
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,640
people do take do something like this,

607
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,000
they're going to be held accountable.

608
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,200
Thank you for your time.

609
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:31,750
>> Thank you.

610
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,760
Are there

611
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,080
remarks on the bicycle issue or others?

612
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,160
You want to Okay.

613
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,680
>> Um

614
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,440
Good evening.

615
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,000
>> Good evening.

616
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200
>> I'm I'm Good evening, Mayor Demkowski

617
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,840
and council. I'm Ann Paulson.

618
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,800
Um and I thank you for letting us speak.

619
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,600
Thanks Thanks for letting us all talk.

620
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,320
>> Of course.

621
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,200
>> And also thank you for um what you've

622
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,560
done so far with the Four Corners plan.

623
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,000
That's a good start. It's not enough.

624
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,600
Um we cyclists are here tonight because

625
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,045
we lost one of our own.

626
00:22:07,045 --> 00:22:07,480
>> [sighs and gasps]

627
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,240
>> But, this is not a cycling issue.

628
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,720
This is Skyline residents, kids,

629
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,680
visiting friends, hikers, walkers, legal

630
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,960
drivers, and cyclists versus

631
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,040
recreational lawbreakers

632
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,360
menacing us.

633
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,680
And that needs to stop.

634
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,440
The folks at South County Traffic

635
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,520
Advisory Panel,

636
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,800
I guess which I guess is under Ray

637
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,240
Maller, um after many meetings with

638
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,280
after a lot of work, have come up with a

639
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800
long list of recommendations on how to

640
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,200
deal with these super speeders

641
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520
on on our local state highways.

642
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,640
We're asking you that you use your

643
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,520
influence, your considerable influence,

644
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,680
with Caltrans to get these

645
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,720
recommendations put into effect,

646
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040
including all of Skyline.

647
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,680
Thank you very much.

648
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,480
>> Thank you.

649
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Um

650
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,920
you know, maybe it's a good time if if

651
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,680
the council agrees, I would ask that we

652
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520
direct staff to do everything we can to

653
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,040
coordinate with the sheriff, CHP,

654
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,440
Caltrans, the supervisor's office, and

655
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,440
to play a coordinated and sustained role

656
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,320
in this effort.

657
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,800
We have surged before. We have put folks

658
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,640
up there for the weekend, and then

659
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,120
you know, things get back to business.

660
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,360
We need sustained coverage on the

661
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,600
weekend. We know that where the what the

662
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,200
car clubs are doing, we know where they

663
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,560
are and when they are.

664
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,200
I know we have a limited budget. We I

665
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,000
know we have $100,000 stored away

666
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,280
somewhere for

667
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480
tough times like this, but

668
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,920
we can certainly coordinate. And so, I

669
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,160
don't know if the council would agree. I

670
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,080
mean

671
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,360
>> Yeah, absolutely. I would very much

672
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,960
agree with all of that. I would add, I

673
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,080
think

674
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520
I saw one of the the emails come through

675
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,800
and there was a suggestion that we

676
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040
agendize a study session dedicated to

677
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,040
addressing this dangerous issue, and I

678
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,320
really liked what one of the um

679
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,480
speakers just said that, you know, this

680
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,080
isn't a Skyline issue. I think, you

681
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,280
know, this issue impacts a lot of us,

682
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,520
and this is definitely a Woodside issue.

683
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,600
And so, as the council, I think we

684
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,880
should have a sense of urgency and and

685
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,600
agendize this as soon as we can to have

686
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,070
a further discussion.

687
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,160
» Very good.

688
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,160
Others?

689
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,320
>> Yeah, I'll just add to that um this

690
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,640
committee that has been working with

691
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840
circulation and and Lewis

692
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,400
has been homeowners of the live up

693
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,160
there, so they're familiar with it, but

694
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,080
I think we should expand

695
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,320
the uh and they wanted to expand the the

696
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,160
scope of what is being talked about by

697
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,040
Caltrans into much broader

698
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,440
um coverage of all the issues that are

699
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,560
up there, and I think we need to get a

700
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,640
maybe it's a workshop or something with

701
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,120
all interested residents to come

702
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,120
together,

703
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,200
talk about what is needed um to fix it

704
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200
once and for all.

705
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,320
>> Very good. Starting to build consensus

706
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240
on that. Others? Thoughts?

707
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,797
>> Yeah,

708
00:24:50,797 --> 00:24:50,920
>> [clears throat]

709
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,480
>> I would absolutely agree with everything

710
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,000
you said, and thank you all for coming

711
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,240
out and

712
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:55,960
uh

713
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,600
showing up for for this very important

714
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,280
issue. I I live up off of 84 and

715
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:05,120
regularly on Skyline and 84 and I it's dangerous and it's scary. And so I

716
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,080
really appreciate you all

717
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,320
coming through, you know, on your on

718
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,640
your evening and

719
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,600
um, and I absolutely support anything we

720
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,840
can do to

721
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,960
continue pushing the issue and

722
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,680
uh, agendize it as soon as possible.

723
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,652
>> Great.

724
00:25:17,652 --> 00:25:18,840
>> [clears throat]

725
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,640
>> Yeah, I did again. Uh, again, so someone

726
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,800
said, "Thank you for showing up

727
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,000
tonight." I wish it was under better

728
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,920
circumstances, but the best tribute we

729
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,080
can have for Jacob is if something good

730
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,640
comes of this. I think we would all

731
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,240
agree to that. Um, we've been at this a

732
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,600
long time and it's been very

733
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,720
frustrating. And uh, to be perfectly

734
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000
frank with you, we've gotten

735
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,440
very little

736
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,760
coordination and um,

737
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,640
any kind of the necessary enforcement

738
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320
from the powers that be. I mean, I can

739
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,400
name them, Caltrans, CHP, whatever.

740
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,400
Actually, the San Mateo County Sheriff

741
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,280
has actually been pretty good um, with

742
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,160
us. They could probably do better, but

743
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,480
um, I know that they're somewhat limited

744
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,400
on their resources.

745
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Um, I mentioned we've been at this a

746
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,360
long time. I've been working with a

747
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:03,600
group of neighbors. I mentioned this to

748
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,400
some of you earlier tonight up at

749
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,280
Cloud's Rest, which is not very far from

750
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,760
where Jacob met his end.

751
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,760
And uh,

752
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,440
it's just a little bit further south of

753
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,360
the Fogarty Fogarty Winery. And um,

754
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,000
this is a very frustrated group of

755
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,840
people. And these

756
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,480
I I the term super speeders doesn't

757
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,440
quite capture what they're doing. Um, I

758
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,160
went up there last weekend at the

759
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,800
request of some of the folks up there at

760
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,000
Cloud's Rest, which by the way, isn't

761
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,360
even in Woodside. It's not in my

762
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,480
district. It's not even in our town. Um,

763
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,720
but it's such a catastrophic problem for

764
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,320
everybody up there. The noise, the

765
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,120
speeding, the danger. And people live

766
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,480
there and they try to cross the street

767
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,240
to go to the open space area and they

768
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160
can't make it. Um, and it's just it it's

769
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,840
a hazard that's really almost beyond

770
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,600
description. And um, I went up there on

771
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,360
a Sunday morning and

772
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,320
I was shocked.

773
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600
by what There were cars going by

774
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,800
four, five, six, seven, eight at a time

775
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,920
100 miles an hour.

776
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,200
And they have their mufflers open, so

777
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,080
they're really loud and noisy. And

778
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,880
they're videoing themselves.

779
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,200
And so the question that came up, I saw

780
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,280
it in a post this just yesterday or the

781
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,440
day before, why can't we prosecute

782
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,880
somebody who's videoing themselves with

783
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,880
105 miles an hour on their on their

784
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,520
speedometer? That would seem to make

785
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,200
sense. So there's a lot of things that

786
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,960
we could do. So I'm one of those all of

787
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,400
the above, you know, I think Caltrans

788
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,920
needs to help us with speed mitigation,

789
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800
you know, they they they do plenty of

790
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
things that could slow people down. I We

791
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240
don't need to go into that. Enforcement,

792
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,400
speed cameras, noise cam You know,

793
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,680
there's all sorts of things that we can

794
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,880
do. Whatever Whatever we can do to help

795
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,400
is important.

796
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,560
A lot of you don't know this, but we're

797
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,400
here tonight for a very a very different

798
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,760
reason, and which involves me, but

799
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,120
somebody died

800
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,800
here, and he's not coming back. And he

801
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,280
was taken far too early at 34 years old,

802
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,200
I think somebody said, which is just a

803
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,400
tragedy. And I think that um that's a

804
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,480
serious issue. And I think that this has

805
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,040
gone on quite long enough. I

806
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,960
corresponded with um

807
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,320
uh we have we actually have very good

808
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,280
relations with It's unusual for town

809
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,120
councils. We have a great relationship

810
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:13,320
with our

811
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,240
uh county supervisor Ray Mueller. We

812
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040
have great relationships with our state

813
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,720
officials, uh

814
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,640
Mark Becker and um

815
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,440
Josh Becker and Mark Berman. And um I corresponded with them just last

816
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000
week about this issue. And it's for some

817
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,360
reason it just keeps getting shoved

818
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,320
down, you know, it it keeps getting

819
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,000
passed over. It's not urgent enough. And

820
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,480
I think if anything, as I said at the

821
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,440
beginning, if Jacob's death can do

822
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600
anything to at least bring these

823
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600
disparate groups together, there's

824
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,200
several groups out here, not only the

825
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,920
bicyclists, but there's hikers, there's

826
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,840
open space people, the people who live

827
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,600
there, the four corners people. These

828
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,480
are all the Clouds Rest people. These

829
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,160
are all different constituent groups and

830
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
I'm really glad to see Channel 2 and the

831
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,400
Almanac here tonight because this

832
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,680
publicity will help. Because we've got

833
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200
to get their attention. And anything we

834
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,720
can do, I'm obviously in agreement with

835
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520
my colleagues here about anything we can

836
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,720
do to do it. But I think we have to up

837
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,120
our games. We have to up the ante here.

838
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,480
And

839
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,200
I'd like to see us do that and take a

840
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
much more serious view of this with our

841
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,280
state officials and finally get

842
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,840
something done. It shouldn't be that

843
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,480
difficult to do. People shouldn't have

844
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,720
to die get some

845
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,640
relief for the people who bike up there

846
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,480
and live up there.

847
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,000
Thank you.

848
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,240
>> Yeah, excellent. Thank you. So, I think

849
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,800
we have consensus

850
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,840
around coordinated efforts through us.

851
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Agree we can be.

852
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Study session, maybe around that study

853
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,880
session is Raymu,

854
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,760
the county supervisors set of

855
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,160
recommendations and whether we would

856
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
endorse those recommendations.

857
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,920
And of course any advocacy that we can

858
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,920
provide up the channel,

859
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,800
we will do from our spots here on the

860
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,670
dais.

861
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Thank you. Any other

862
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760
public comments on any item not Hello,

863
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,630
Ms. Lubin.

864
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,280
» Hi.

865
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Valia Lubin, History Committee.

866
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Uh on a slightly

867
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,040
lighter note, I'd like to invite

868
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,640
everybody to join us for our annual

869
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,400
walking tours.

870
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Um it's about a 20-minute walk around

871
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,800
town center looking at all our historic

872
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,080
buildings.

873
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760
And it starts at the museum, which is

874
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560
across the open space, Saturday from

875
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,960
1:00 to 3:00.

876
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,360
And we've been doing this in

877
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,200
coordination with the San Mateo County

878
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Museum

879
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
for several years and our

880
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,160
enrollment or participation keeps

881
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,600
increasing, so

882
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,840
I'm sure all of you know about the

883
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000
historic buildings in town, but

884
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,720
since I have a captive audience tonight,

885
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,191
thought

886
00:30:43,191 --> 00:30:43,760
>> [laughter]

887
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,160
>> Anyway, we'd love to see you, too, if

888
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,400
you want to come. So,

889
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,600
>> Sounds like a lot of fun. Thank you,

890
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,270
Thalia.

891
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Other public comments

892
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,280
on non-agendized items.

893
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,880
Yes, sir.

894
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,200
>> Here's the sign.

895
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Hello.

896
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,480
>> Welcome.

897
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,240
>> So, I would like to make a actionable,

898
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,760
specific suggestion about specific

899
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,240
measures we can take to reduce speed

900
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,880
limits on Skyline Road and other roads

901
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,400
and keep them low.

902
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,840
So, my suggestion is rather than having

903
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,200
police officers or CHP officers

904
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,080
or speed cameras enforcing speed limits

905
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,000
retroactively, we can modify the design

906
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
of the road itself to reduce speed

907
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,280
limits proactively.

908
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,120
So, for example, one suggestion would be

909
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,160
replacing four-way intersections that

910
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,640
have stop signs with roundabouts. These

911
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
will obstruct drivers' sight lines. I

912
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,000
know that sounds

913
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320
a bit strange, but it will obstruct

914
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,760
drivers from looking straight through

915
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,640
the intersection and force them to slow

916
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,440
down to go around it.

917
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Another suggestion is physical barriers

918
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,480
to exiting the lanes. These These don't

919
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,960
have to be big. They don't have to be

920
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,600
frequent. Just like

921
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,000
a curb

922
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,320
on the edge of the road, like on the

923
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,160
edge of the lane,

924
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,400
to

925
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,680
like make the lane more clearly defined,

926
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,520
prevent cutting into the opposite lane,

927
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,680
prevent cutting onto the shoulder, and

928
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,800
to create a protected space

929
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,120
for bicyclists and hikers

930
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,800
on the side of the road that's separate

931
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,880
from

932
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,480
the cars.

933
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,800
And

934
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,800
the cars can still use the shoulder for

935
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320
like pulling off for emergencies. Like

936
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,400
there don't There doesn't need to be a

937
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560
continuous curb. Just like every 10 yd,

938
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,480
there's like a plastic bollard

939
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:39,510
or something along the side of the road.

940
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,200
» Okay, thank you. That's that's a good

941
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,360
suggestion.

942
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,560
Other

943
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,880
we'll go to the Zoom room real quick.

944
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Mary Danko,

945
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,160
you are good to go.

946
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,080
>> Oh, hi. I'm Mary Danko as you said and I

947
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,200
live in Woodside in District number

948
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,760
four.

949
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
I I feel bad with this is such a solemn

950
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680
meeting but I just wanted to

951
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,360
voice my enthusiasm for Melinda Stolker

952
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,680
for my representative as my

953
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,080
representative.

954
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,560
I'm I'm

955
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920
>> Hello Mary. Mary, I hate to cut you off.

956
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720
I just just for procedural reasons I got

957
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,800
to wait till that agenda item

958
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,240
take your comment but I but we're

959
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
looking forward to it so we'll see you

960
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,840
in a little bit.

961
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,440
>> Thank you.

962
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,880
>> It's right around the corner, I promise.

963
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,560
>> Okay, thank you.

964
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,870
>> Thank you.

965
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Any other public comments? Yes, sir.

966
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,520
>> Thank you.

967
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,320
>> Oh, thank you, sir. Yeah, thank you all

968
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,440
for being here. It is very meaningful

969
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,840
and and we're on it so we appreciate the

970
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
advocacy and I'm we're very very sorry for your

971
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,800
loss.

972
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,360
>> Thank you. We'll be We'll be back.

973
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,640
>> Thank you.

974
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,470
sir.

975
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,120
Any other public comments before we

976
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,310
close public comment?

977
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,560
Okay, hearing none we will officially

978
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
close public comment and move on. We do

979
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,640
have a lovely proclamation here tonight

980
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
to celebrate the Almanac's 60th

981
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,760
anniversary as a newspaper so

982
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,600
I'm going to read a couple of the

983
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000
highlights here and we'll deliver these

984
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,480
over to you, Jennifer, in just a moment

985
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,600
so so this is a proclamation honoring

986
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,280
the 60th anniversary of Almanac

987
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,200
journalism.

988
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,320
There's a lot of interesting facts in

989
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600
here, by the way. Whereas in August 1965

990
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,560
three visionary Portola Valley residents

991
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,800
laid the cornerstone of localized public

992
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,440
oversight by assembling a humble

993
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,560
four-page community newspaper

994
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,600
on a neighborhood kitchen table.

995
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,600
And whereas this grassroots publication

996
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,360
blossomed over six decades into the

997
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,760
Almanac evolving from its physical roots

998
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,720
in a small office right here next next

999
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:47,800
to the post office here in Woodside to

1000
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,679
dedicated offices in Menlo Park and

1001
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,240
eventually to Palo Alto.

1002
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,879
And whereas

1003
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:55,120
throughout its esteemed history the

1004
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,680
Almanac is fearlessly and faithfully

1005
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,280
protected the public interest by

1006
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,240
bringing vital news, investigative

1007
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:02,880
pieces, and cultural reporting to the

1008
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,440
residents of Menlo Park, Atherton,

1009
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,000
Woodside, and Portola Valley Portola

1010
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Valley

1011
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,480
without fear nor favor.

1012
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,720
And whereas the publication has

1013
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,240
successfully navigated the changing

1014
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,440
tides of modern media by transitioning

1015
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,200
into a vital community-supported

1016
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,960
nonprofit asset.

1017
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,560
And whereas the exceptional merit of

1018
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Almanac journalists continue to be

1019
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,920
recognized on the grandest stages.

1020
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,320
And whereas on August 13th the Almanac

1021
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,800
will cap off its landmark 60th year of

1022
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560
service by gathering the community at

1023
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,400
Fremont Park co-sponsoring Menlo Park

1024
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,880
Summer Concert Series finale featuring

1025
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,440
the Sun Kings to distribute

1026
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,960
a special commemorative anniversary

1027
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,680
issue and connect face-to-face with the

1028
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,240
public they serve.

1029
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,440
Now therefore I Brian Demkowski, mayor

1030
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,120
of the town of Woodside on behalf of the

1031
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,880
town council and town residents,

1032
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,280
recognize and celebrate the Almanac on

1033
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,400
its 60th anniversary of journalism. We

1034
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,120
extend our profound gratitude to its

1035
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,360
reporters, editors, and foundation staff

1036
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,400
for their unwavering privilege

1037
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,160
of reporting on our town and we look

1038
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,920
forward with great anticipation to

1039
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
another 60 years of informed civil civic

1040
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,280
excellence. So thank you very much for

1041
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:20,230
your wonderful service to the community.

1042
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,480
» Brian

1043
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,640
picture with

1044
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:24,840
>> Jennifer

1045
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,000
>> Come on.

1046
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,200
>> I'm only going to sign one.

1047
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,000
>> I'll sign one.

1048
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,380
>> Okay.

1049
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:28,560
>> [laughter]

1050
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,280
>> I want to

1051
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,240
>> I'll sign one.

1052
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,360
>> I'm I'm the other alternate. I'm sorry.

1053
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,520
>> All right. That's fine.

1054
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,830
>> Yeah, no problem.

1055
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,520
» Oh, sitting there?

1056
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,840
No name for now.

1057
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:55,550
I feel like I could

1058
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,240
» Okay.

1059
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,400
Next up, we have the interview and

1060
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,720
appointment of a planning commissioner.

1061
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,520
Uh we Yes, sir.

1062
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,760
>> Can I please do one more comment or that

1063
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,960
is my chance?

1064
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,960
>> The public comment?

1065
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,400
>> Yes.

1066
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,520
>> Uh

1067
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Sure, sir. Come on. Real quick. We It's

1068
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,080
on unusual, but

1069
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,240
>> Okay, sorry.

1070
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:15,640
>> Yes, sir.

1071
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,600
>> Okay. Bob,

1072
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,200
>> Bob, how are you?

1073
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,920
>> Hello, good.

1074
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,080
>> Yeah, I didn't recognize you there.

1075
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,320
>> Sorry about that. Um okay, so I wrote it

1076
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,840
out. Good evening. Thank you to the

1077
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,760
council. Several of you have generally

1078
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,520
helped me with a project of mine, and I

1079
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,880
appreciate that, but tonight I'm here

1080
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,240
for something else, separate.

1081
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,320
I want no more deals that are in back

1082
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,400
rooms. I don't want this town run by a

1083
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,680
law firm where key people aren't named

1084
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,760
uh to us and aren't accountable to us.

1085
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,800
Ty didn't even Ty, who is uh Jean's son,

1086
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,320
doesn't even name himself and uses legal

1087
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,360
name. Um legal power in this county is

1088
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560
concentrated in one small firm, and I

1089
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,000
think it's hurting our best chance at

1090
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
bringing in a strong new town manager.

1091
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,600
We need transparency. When I spoke to

1092
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,720
people

1093
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,240
I was coming tonight when I told people

1094
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,640
I was coming tonight, several of them

1095
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,080
told me they could corroborate some of

1096
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,800
the concerns that have not been

1097
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,640
addressed addressed. I'm not here to

1098
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,560
relitigate the past. I'm here to ask you

1099
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
to move transparent transparently going

1100
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,240
forward

1101
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,440
and to take this concentration of power

1102
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,520
out of one firm's hands. Some of you

1103
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,920
believe keeping this arrangement

1104
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640
preserves institutional knowledge.

1105
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Respectfully, the institution looks

1106
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,400
broken right now. We need new blood.

1107
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,840
Jean hasn't been able to separate

1108
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,360
herself

1109
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,440
from her own past work on this. She's

1110
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,080
still standing behind a document

1111
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,320
presented this town that I know to be

1112
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,040
wrong, even though I personally asked

1113
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,920
her and Melissa to correct it. She since

1114
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160
sent me a document She sent me a

1115
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,000
document improperly labeled as a

1116
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,760
property lease that was actually a full

1117
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,840
general release. When I asked her to fix

1118
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,360
it, they wouldn't. Um I caught it

1119
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,160
because I read contracts for a living.

1120
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,440
Most people in this town don't.

1121
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,520
Um

1122
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,320
Melissa never disclosed to us that she

1123
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,560
worked as Jean's paralegal for a long

1124
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,680
time before she ended up actually

1125
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,840
running this town for a little bit.

1126
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,840
Um

1127
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,480
and that needs to be fixed. If Jean

1128
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
isn't capable of correcting the record

1129
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,520
when it's wrong, she isn't capable of

1130
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,960
doing her job.

1131
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,800
And this should be and should resign.

1132
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,640
I'm correct I'll correct something I got

1133
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,800
wrong earlier when I put this forward to

1134
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,280
the town. Um

1135
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,120
Uh I had the departure list mixed up. To

1136
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,000
those of you who are leaving this town

1137
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,920
council, this is exactly the kind of

1138
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,440
thing to use your last votes on. Leave

1139
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,240
the town better than you found it. Vote

1140
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,960
her out. To everyone staying, you owe

1141
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,000
this town a real competitive process for

1142
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,560
its legal services, not a renewal on

1143
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
autopilot because it's easier. Let's

1144
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,760
clean this up. Let's make it right.

1145
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,400
That's a full speech ready to deliver.

1146
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,240
>> Okay.

1147
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,280
Uh thank you, Mr. Wilson.

1148
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Uh okay, moving on to the uh planning

1149
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,360
commissioner appointment. Uh we

1150
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,240
Thank you, Lewis. Um

1151
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,440
Uh we we did have uh uh Mr. Yu did pull

1152
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,800
his candidacy. So, uh

1153
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,040
Linda will be hearing from you tonight,

1154
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,480
uh which is wonderful. And uh

1155
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,880
I'll just start by saying we always have

1156
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,360
a tremendous amount of respect for

1157
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,160
anybody that's willing to step up and

1158
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,320
take on

1159
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,240
this responsibility and go through a

1160
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,880
public interview process. There's only

1161
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,520
two places that has to happen, Planning

1162
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Commission and ASBR, and this is one of

1163
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,480
them, and uh uh thank you for stepping

1164
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,480
into the arena, and the floor is yours

1165
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,800
to talk about your interests and values

1166
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,960
and objectives uh with pursuing this

1167
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,720
position.

1168
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,400
>> Of course. Thank you so much.

1169
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,880
>> Um so, some of you probably recognize me

1170
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,920
from my previous experience with service

1171
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,200
here for the town. Um when I was chair

1172
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,880
of the uh Livestock and Equine

1173
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,320
Committee, uh my main objective was to

1174
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,240
improve uh communications and resources

1175
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,240
for people who had livestock, um not

1176
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,360
just horses, but there's all types of

1177
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,520
livestock here in this town. Um many of

1178
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,520
us on the committee uh

1179
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640
were committed to creating uh emergency

1180
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,600
preparedness information that got

1181
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,080
distributed to uh all interested parties

1182
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
and all people who have barns. Um we

1183
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,960
also um

1184
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,880
provided some guidance when it came to

1185
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,320
uh safety and signage on trails and

1186
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,960
things like that. Um when I chose to

1187
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,840
leave the committee, I handpicked

1188
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,360
somebody to replace me that I knew would

1189
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,840
also be doing a very good job and would

1190
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,600
be passionate about the work. Um and I'm

1191
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,360
also very aware that many of these roles

1192
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,200
require a lot more time and commitment

1193
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,400
than you think it will, and I feel

1194
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,960
prepared to step up and do that um on

1195
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,800
the Planning

1196
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Commission.

1197
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,280
Um

1198
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,400
many of you may not know, I grew up with

1199
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,960
a dad who was an architect.

1200
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,320
So, [snorts] I've been around planning

1201
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,400
and building um

1202
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680
literally plans um pretty much my whole

1203
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,080
young adult life. And when we purchased

1204
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,240
a home here in Woodside, we needed to

1205
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,640
expand it and improve upon it and

1206
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,640
we submitted the plans and got the

1207
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,360
approvals and went through the

1208
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
permitting processes etc.

1209
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,440
And I'm very familiar with all of that

1210
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,200
and I think that that would help me lend

1211
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,120
some

1212
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,880
understanding and expertise to the

1213
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
process that any resident has to go

1214
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,560
through

1215
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,040
whether they're again doing some kind of

1216
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,320
home improvement expansion, doing an

1217
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,880
ADU.

1218
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,800
Currently there's some subdivisions

1219
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,400
as you know, that's another topic

1220
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,760
of this meeting this evening.

1221
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,520
So there's a lot of areas where I feel

1222
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,560
that I could support residents to meet

1223
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,440
their goals while at the same time

1224
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,480
ensure that we are

1225
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,680
supporting the general plan

1226
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,760
which is

1227
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,840
just as important now as it ever was. Um

1228
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,520
and in addition

1229
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,790
um

1230
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,400
I think that my 25 years of business

1231
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,480
experience as a vice president of

1232
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,800
marketing and a senior director at

1233
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,800
leading software companies gives me some

1234
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,280
very transferable skills. I had to take

1235
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,400
a 360 degree view of a lot of situations

1236
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,760
and pour through a lot of data

1237
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,280
to come up with strategic plans that

1238
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,320
were

1239
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,200
um

1240
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,360
then executed for measurable results and

1241
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,360
given the nature of the work which was

1242
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,640
very

1243
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,080
deadline driven, very sometimes a bit of

1244
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,840
a pressure cooker,

1245
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,160
working with a lot of

1246
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,400
extremely opinionated CEOs

1247
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,960
and other

1248
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,200
people who uh had a lot of investment in

1249
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,600
the companies

1250
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,800
um that I worked for. Um I I think that

1251
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400
I have the skills required for working

1252
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,400
with a wide variety of people on a

1253
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,240
number of issues, right? Whether again,

1254
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,840
whether they're bringing to the table

1255
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,120
um

1256
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,840
a plan for an ADU or some other kind of

1257
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,480
a project um that requires

1258
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,400
um

1259
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,240
some analysis or any kind of, you know,

1260
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,080
variance kind of a situation, right?

1261
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,320
Um

1262
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,200
and I will just close by saying that,

1263
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,040
you know, I'm obviously I'm very

1264
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480
passionate about living here. I've I've

1265
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,640
been here for a couple of decades and

1266
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,720
uh love so many things about Woodside

1267
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,120
and I'm very committed to

1268
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,200
um

1269
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,440
helping it helping it develop while also

1270
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,800
again, just maintaining the rural rural

1271
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,640
nature and the supporting the general

1272
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,920
plan. Um

1273
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:16,240
and I think nine of my peers who are in

1274
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,000
District 4

1275
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520
um are supporting me on this because

1276
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,320
they've known me for decades and they

1277
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,280
trust um my commitment and my energy and

1278
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,840
my judgment to uh bring to the table

1279
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,320
uh for a role like this.

1280
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,600
>> Well, thank you. Uh questions for Ms.

1281
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,150
Stokke.

1282
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,280
» I I know her work well, so

1283
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,720
>> Yeah, sure.

1284
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:41,560
>> Um

1285
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,640
District 4, my district, I want to thank

1286
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,640
you for um

1287
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,600
tossing your hat in. Not everybody does

1288
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,240
and when uh

1289
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,360
um when the prior planning commissioner

1290
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,680
resigned, it kind of caught me by

1291
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,160
surprise. We canvassed the district.

1292
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Um actually thrilled that you're here

1293
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,360
and um

1294
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,840
willing to take on that role. Um

1295
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,080
before I I I have a couple of questions

1296
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,680
for you, but before that, you mentioned

1297
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,120
and it's in your application as well,

1298
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,200
that you've done a remodel here. And um

1299
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,760
I was interested in your experience and

1300
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,560
uh what you did what you might do

1301
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,320
differently or what you think you bring

1302
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,960
to the party of the planning commission

1303
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,920
uh from that experience because we still

1304
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,360
get, even though I think we've made a

1305
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,200
lot of improvements, we still get a lot

1306
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
of complaints from property owners that

1307
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,120
uh the situation is un arduous and you

1308
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,440
know, whatever. I mean, and sometimes it

1309
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,120
is, but I'm just interested in your

1310
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,840
experience.

1311
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,240
>> Well, it it was a little while ago and

1312
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,240
the parties have changed, right? Some of

1313
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,240
the personalities have changed. Uh we

1314
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:42,122
had

1315
00:46:42,122 --> 00:46:42,640
>> [laughter]

1316
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,360
>> we had an inspector that was kind of

1317
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,880
known

1318
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,040
for uh bringing back lots of lists of

1319
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,320
things that were not necessarily related

1320
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,960
to the project.

1321
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,440
So, um I think there was some uh

1322
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,880
frustration there where we had to do

1323
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,360
some things that were

1324
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:10,200
again, n- not at all related to the uh original um expansion of the home. Um

1325
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,400
and I think that the the time that it

1326
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,520
took

1327
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,200
to get the approval um was uh

1328
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,080
could definitely have been um shortened.

1329
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Um so, I think that there are ways to

1330
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,200
try to expedite things a little bit

1331
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,360
better. Honestly, from what I've heard,

1332
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,280
I do think some things have improved

1333
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,360
since then.

1334
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,760
>> Oh, they definitely have. Our building

1335
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,640
and planning group is now

1336
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,960
>> Yeah, and I think that we're we're all

1337
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,040
very very aware that um

1338
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,840
in-

1339
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,560
increasing residential units is a

1340
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:55,280
mission that we all have to do. It's mandated. Um so, I think that

1341
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,240
again, being

1342
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,480
judicious yet expeditious

1343
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,080
is very important, right?

1344
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,880
>> Thank you. The only thing other thing I

1345
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,360
wanted to add is

1346
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,960
I served on the planning commission back

1347
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,520
in the olden days,

1348
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,040
two years before I joined the town

1349
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,200
council and it was easily the most

1350
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,840
enjoyable role I've ever played.

1351
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,160
More enjoyable than some some of these

1352
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,000
being on the town council sometimes. But

1353
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,840
it's the

1354
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,320
you get to see a lot of properties and

1355
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,800
meet a lot of homeowners. But the one

1356
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,880
thing I wanted to leave you with is town

1357
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,680
council is a legislative body. The

1358
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,800
planning commission is a quasi

1359
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,040
legislative body. I think that's the

1360
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,160
term for it. Or legislative body. What

1361
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,880
you guys say is law and

1362
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,040
that's unlike any of the other

1363
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,800
committees that we have

1364
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,440
or commission. So

1365
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,520
unless you do something completely

1366
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,000
ridiculous tonight, you're going to get

1367
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,400
the job. So I think that I'm just

1368
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,280
appreciate you throwing your hat in the

1369
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,880
ring here and thank you for offering

1370
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,000
your time and expertise to help our

1371
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,760
community.

1372
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,670
>> Well, thank you and you're welcome.

1373
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:03,120
» Well.

1374
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,360
>> Um.

1375
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,480
So thank you so much for your

1376
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,120
application to the planning commission.

1377
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,120
I definitely think like having a track

1378
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,800
record of service

1379
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,160
and you having been on the livestock and equestrian committee is a great kind

1380
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,440
of way to then you know, go on to the

1381
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,640
planning commission. So I think it's

1382
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,840
having that experience is really

1383
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,000
wonderful.

1384
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,240
Um I did have one question. One of the

1385
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,520
big topics as you know that the town has

1386
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,000
been contending with over the last

1387
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,040
several years is the housing element. So

1388
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,600
just wanted to hear a little bit on your

1389
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,400
views. How do you see the planning

1390
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,320
commission's role? Um what do you

1391
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,960
envision

1392
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,600
weighing in on vis-a-vis the housing

1393
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,360
element during your time on the planning

1394
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,000
commission? How do you see that

1395
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,680
contrasting with the town council's

1396
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,920
role?

1397
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,920
>> Well, as far as weighing in, um

1398
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,694
I I haven't seen a lot of plans yet.

1399
00:49:54,694 --> 00:49:55,160
>> [laughter]

1400
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,360
>> So, I think that all of these

1401
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:58,960
um

1402
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:03,240
projects are unique, right? And I don't

1403
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,560
know that I could just have a blanket

1404
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,040
statement about how we would approach

1405
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,560
any and all of them. I think you have to

1406
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,080
look at each individual project uh for

1407
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,080
its specific um

1408
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,320
you know, numbers and uh whatever attributes as well as any

1409
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,720
negative impact, right? Um so, I think

1410
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,920
that

1411
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,640
I would just look at each individual

1412
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,120
plan and ask a lot of questions. Again,

1413
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,600
take that 360° view. You hear a lot

1414
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,360
about the number of units. I don't hear

1415
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,080
a lot about parking, for example, right?

1416
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,960
That's a big one. Or traffic impact,

1417
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,440
right? That's also a big one. So, I

1418
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,480
think you have to just take it one at a

1419
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,840
time and review all the details, and

1420
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,080
then bring up the questions and any

1421
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,840
concerns regarding community impact,

1422
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,270
and go from there.

1423
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,560
» Any other questions?

1424
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,720
Uh hearing none, I'm you answered my

1425
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,800
question earlier. Uh we'll just open to

1426
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,360
public comment briefly if there any

1427
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,320
members that would like to speak on

1428
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,720
behalf

1429
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:18,400
of Ms. Stoker.

1430
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,600
This is your chance, Mary.

1431
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,400
>> Oh, here you go.

1432
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:20,640
>> I'm here.

1433
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:20,920
>> Oh.

1434
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,720
>> You don't have to go away.

1435
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:22,360
>> Oh,

1436
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:22,760
uh

1437
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,400
>> Valerie Lubin, I just want to say we're

1438
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,400
friends and uh she's Linda's quite

1439
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,080
capable, and I think she'd make a fine

1440
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,000
addition to the planning commission.

1441
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,720
>> Right, thank you.

1442
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,000
>> I uh admire her courage.

1443
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,520
>> Yeah, right. Um and now off to to you

1444
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,160
now, Mary. This is your chance. Mary

1445
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:46,230
Danko.

1446
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:50,310
» Mary, I think you're on mute.

1447
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,000
» My goodness, I'm having troubles here.

1448
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,800
So sorry.

1449
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,560
I just um really wanted to encourage you

1450
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,960
to pick Melinda. Looks like you

1451
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,360
the other person already dropped out, so

1452
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
that's fine, but I am her neighbor, I've

1453
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,440
known her a very long time, and I've

1454
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,440
always been impressed by her love of

1455
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Woodside. And she I think she will be an

1456
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,200
excellent asset to you guys. And that's

1457
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,680
it. Thank you.

1458
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,440
>> Thank you, Mary.

1459
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,840
And we have one more in the Zoom room

1460
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,360
entitled Zoom user.

1461
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,440
you have the floor.

1462
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,000
>> Hello, my name is Nola Masterson. I'm a

1463
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,920
neighbor of Melinda Stoker, and I just

1464
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,440
wanted to put a vote in for her and

1465
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,880
thank her very much for stepping up.

1466
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,640
It's very brave of her to do that.

1467
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,516
>> Yeah.

1468
00:52:34,516 --> 00:52:34,760
>> [laughter]

1469
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,400
>> That's that's awesome. Thank you, Nola.

1470
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,560
>> To Tom O'Wheeler.

1471
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,320
>> Yeah. Okay. Um any further deliberation

1472
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,760
on this topic?

1473
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,640
I'll just

1474
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,800
I'm sorry, go ahead.

1475
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,680
>> I was going to make a motion.

1476
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,240
>> Oh, well, I just wanted to say that um

1477
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,760
uh you've received wonderful broad

1478
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,880
written support, and um

1479
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,760
uh I think you'll be a wonderfully

1480
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,480
complementary asset. I think we lost a

1481
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,440
little bit of the equestrian vibe when

1482
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,040
Aiden rolled off, and it's going to be

1483
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,760
nice to have you back on there to to

1484
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,080
bring that to to the to the

1485
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,520
organization. So, thank you again for

1486
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,200
your willingness to serve.

1487
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,920
Uh now uh Councilwoman Wall, sorry.

1488
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,320
>> echo that. Thank you so much for your

1489
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,280
willingness to serve. Um and with that,

1490
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,080
I would move to appoint Melinda Stoker

1491
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,800
to the Planning Commission uh for

1492
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,960
District 4.

1493
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,200
>> Second.

1494
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,520
>> Councilmember Robrish?

1495
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:22,880
>> Yes.

1496
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,720
>> Councilmember Brown?

1497
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:24,200
>> Yes.

1498
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,120
>> Councilmember Gold?

1499
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:25,520
>> Yes.

1500
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,680
>> Councilmember Wall?

1501
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,040
>> Yes.

1502
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,080
>> Mayor Domkowski?

1503
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,120
>> Yes. Thank you, and congratulations on

1504
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:36,830
your appointment.

1505
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,920
Very good. Well, thank you so much. Um

1506
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,120
as stated earlier, we did reorder the

1507
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,320
agenda to bring item E forward and um um

1508
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,040
which is a report from outside legal

1509
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,280
counsel on a personnel investigation is

1510
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,960
how it's titled.

1511
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,320
Uh yes, sir.

1512
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,400
>> an announcement to make.

1513
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,520
>> Okay.

1514
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,640
>> Before you go on, um I need to I must

1515
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,440
recuse myself from participating in

1516
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,000
agenda item E because under FPPC

1517
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,840
rules, I have a disqualifying personal

1518
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,760
interest, namely that the

1519
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,120
sustained allegation that will be

1520
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,840
discussed tonight concerns my conduct,

1521
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,200
which would be a clear conflict of

1522
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,200
interest. I am therefore required to

1523
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,600
leave the room

1524
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,320
and will not return until this matter is

1525
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,280
concluded. But before I do that, I did

1526
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,240
want to read this letter that I

1527
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:21,680
submitted to

1528
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,480
the mayor and town council members um

1529
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,240
uh earlier this evening. I submit this

1530
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,760
letter regarding finding six

1531
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,320
from the executive summary of

1532
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,720
confidential investigation dated April

1533
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,280
20th, 2026.

1534
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,320
As you determine what corrective action

1535
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,720
may be appropriate, since this finding

1536
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,280
relates to me, I will not participate in

1537
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,640
your discussion or deliberation.

1538
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,000
Immediately upon receiving the

1539
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,200
complaint, Woodside's town council

1540
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,960
called for and approved by a unanimous

1541
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,920
vote an independent investigation of the

1542
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,800
allegations made by the former town

1543
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,880
manager. Citizens should know that the

1544
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,080
independent investigator had no prior

1545
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,080
experience with town officials and that

1546
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,360
he was identified and authorized by our

1547
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,400
employment liability insurance provider.

1548
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Every town council member, including me,

1549
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,200
supported and fully cooperated with this

1550
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,800
investigation.

1551
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,840
Only one allegation was sustained,

1552
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,560
namely that I related a discussion from

1553
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,960
a closed session town council meeting to

1554
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,840
our former town manager.

1555
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,840
I never denied or concealed that

1556
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,280
conversation from anyone or from the

1557
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
independent investigator.

1558
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,760
I agree my disclosure was inappropriate

1559
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,080
and I regret that lapse of judgment. It

1560
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,680
will be up to the town council to

1561
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,120
determine what corrective action, if

1562
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,880
any, is required. It is my hope that

1563
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,400
this sincere acknowledgement of my

1564
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,680
accountability and this apology are

1565
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,040
acceptable and that no further action

1566
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,240
will be necessary. And I submitted that

1567
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,520
to the town council and the mayor

1568
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,760
earlier this evening and with that I

1569
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,440
need to leave the room. Thank you.

1570
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:15,990
>> Thank you very much, Councilmember Gold.

1571
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,400
Okay, Mr. Bolanos, the floor is yours,

1572
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,440
sir.

1573
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,120
>> Thank you.

1574
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,200
>> All right, in the microphone you just

1575
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,320
need to probably come a little closer

1576
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,480
there so folks on Zoom can hear.

1577
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,200
>> Thank you.

1578
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,960
Mayor, and good evening,

1579
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,640
council staff members, of the public.

1580
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,320
My name is Richard Bolanos. I'm with the

1581
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,920
law firm Liebert Cassidy Whitmore,

1582
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,080
San Francisco, and I serve as special

1583
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:38,920
counsel

1584
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,560
>> I think we're still having a little bit

1585
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,600
of a hearing issue there, yeah.

1586
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,880
>> I serve as special counsel appointed by

1587
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,640
the town's liability insurance carrier

1588
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,840
to represent the town in regard to that

1589
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,600
written allegations filed by former town

1590
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,320
manager Jason Ledbetter.

1591
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Our remarks this evening are being

1592
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,440
presented to address the one allegation

1593
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,400
from Mr. Ledbetter's report found to

1594
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,080
have merit

1595
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,880
and to inform the public about the steps

1596
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,080
taken to address that particular

1597
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,160
allegation.

1598
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,840
Because this matter concerns threatened

1599
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,080
litigation, the council has been advised

1600
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,520
not to comment publicly about Mr.

1601
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,440
Ledbetter's employment or the town's

1602
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
investigation into his claims.

1603
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,360
To date, they have abided by this advice

1604
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,360
and this advice applies to this public

1605
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,760
meeting as well.

1606
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,200
Let me begin by briefly summarizing the

1607
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,360
events that brought us to this point.

1608
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,960
On February 20 On February 17, 2026,

1609
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,680
Mr. Ledbetter threatened to publish a

1610
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,480
purported whistleblower report which

1611
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,200
contained allegations directed at

1612
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Council members Demkowlski, Gold, and

1613
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,600
Wall and Town Attorney Jean Savary

1614
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,320
unless he was paid an amount exceeding

1615
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,680
$400,000.

1616
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,800
Council declined to make the payment,

1617
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,000
and Mr. Ledbetter released the report.

1618
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400
Immediately thereafter, Council directed

1619
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,120
that the report and Mr. Ledbetter's

1620
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,880
demand be referred to the San Mateo

1621
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,760
County District Attorney for

1622
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,000
investigation.

1623
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,920
In addition, the town's liability

1624
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,480
insurance carrier was advised of the

1625
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:15,960
situation

1626
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,240
and asked to investigate the

1627
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:18,920
allegations.

1628
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,080
In accordance with the insurance

1629
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,080
carrier's protocols, my office was

1630
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,560
retained to advise the town,

1631
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,400
and an independent investigator, David

1632
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Stoliar, was appointed to conduct an

1633
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,120
investigation into Mr. Ledbetter's

1634
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,240
claims pursuant to state law and town

1635
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,360
policy.

1636
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,160
Mr. Stoliar had no previous affiliation

1637
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,240
with the Town of Woodside.

1638
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,680
He was empowered to conduct the

1639
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,520
investigation with complete independence

1640
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,760
and to issue findings and conclusions as

1641
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
to each of the 11 allegations

1642
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,080
in Mr. Ledbetter's report.

1643
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,560
On April 25th, 2026, the town released

1644
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,320
to the public an executive summary of

1645
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,840
the report

1646
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,360
and Mr. Stoliar's findings and

1647
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,200
conclusions.

1648
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,440
Only one of the 11 allegations was found

1649
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,440
to be supported by the evidence.

1650
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,920
In that one allegation, Mr. Ledbetter

1651
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,560
claimed that on July 10th, 2025,

1652
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,040
during a dinner with Council members

1653
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Gold, Demkowlski,

1654
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,040
um

1655
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,280
Council members Gold and Demkowlski,

1656
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:25,920
Council member Gold shared closed

1657
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,040
session information

1658
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,160
regarding Mr. Ledbetter's hiring and

1659
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,320
gender bias concerns raised by Council

1660
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Member Wall

1661
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,400
during Mr. Ledbetter's interview and

1662
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
hiring process.

1663
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,400
As noted in Mr. Stallard's report, this

1664
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,480
allegation was sustained because Council

1665
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Member Gold admitted to Mr. Stallard

1666
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,880
that he had disclosed this information

1667
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
to Mr. Ledbetter.

1668
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,480
On May 5th, 2026, several days after

1669
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,040
receiving Mr. Stallard's report,

1670
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,720
the San Mateo County District Attorney

1671
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,640
responded to the town's request for an

1672
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,160
investigation,

1673
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,160
declining to file charges against Mr.

1674
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,280
Ledbetter or Council Member Gold.

1675
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,000
In regard to Mr. Ledbetter, the District

1676
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,400
Attorney found insufficient evidence to

1677
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,400
prove attempted extortion by Mr.

1678
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,560
Ledbetter in violation of Penal Code

1679
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,600
sections 518 and 524 beyond a reasonable

1680
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,280
doubt.

1681
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,200
In regard to Council Member Gold, the

1682
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,000
District Attorney cited Council Member

1683
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,640
Gold's admission

1684
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,320
regarding the disclosure of closed

1685
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,760
session information, but declined to

1686
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,880
file criminal charges because Government

1687
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,200
Code section 54963,

1688
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,880
otherwise known as the Brown Act,

1689
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,200
does not provide for criminal penalties.

1690
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,720
In declining to file charges, the

1691
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,440
District Attorney directed the matter

1692
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,520
back to the town of Woodside.

1693
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Upon this referral back to the town, an

1694
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,880
ethics inquiry was initiated as called

1695
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
for by the town's code of ethics and

1696
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,480
conduct.

1697
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,360
The Code of Ethics and Conduct section

1698
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,680
111, core values, entitled

1699
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,640
responsibility/protecting

1700
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,000
the public's interests,

1701
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,640
provides in part that Council members

1702
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,480
are to refrain from disclosing

1703
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,480
confidential information

1704
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,560
concerning litigation, personnel,

1705
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,200
property, or other affairs of the town

1706
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,840
without proper legal authority,

1707
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,040
nor use such information to advance

1708
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,880
their financial or other personal

1709
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:30,590
interests.

1710
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,600
During the course of this inquiry,

1711
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Council member Gold submitted to the

1712
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,440
council his apology for relating the

1713
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,920
discussion from closed session to the

1714
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,280
former town manager.

1715
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:42,800
And the public has just heard that

1716
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,600
apology.

1717
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,280
Council member Gold noted that he did

1718
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,960
not deny or conceal this conversation

1719
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,080
from the independent investigator

1720
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:52,480
and agreed that the disclosure was

1721
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,120
inappropriate and a lapse of hit a lapse

1722
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,720
in judgment

1723
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,990
that he regrets.

1724
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,160
The council agrees with Council member

1725
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,440
Gold that his discussion with the former

1726
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,280
town manager violated the

1727
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,320
above-referenced section of the town's

1728
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,120
code of ethics and conduct.

1729
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,840
The council has received Council member

1730
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,160
Gold's apology and accepted my

1731
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,680
recommendation that additional training

1732
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,840
be conducted in regards to the town's

1733
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,600
code of ethics and conduct.

1734
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,520
That complete This completes my remarks.

1735
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,760
The public should now be given an

1736
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,040
opportunity to comment, and if there are

1737
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,160
any questions posed by the public's

1738
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,680
comments, I will respond to those

1739
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,280
questions to the extent the law allows.

1740
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,200
As I stated earlier, because this matter

1741
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,800
does involve threatened litigation,

1742
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,040
the council is been has been advised not

1743
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,960
to comment publicly about the employment

1744
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,120
matters involving Mr. Ledbetter and his

1745
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,880
complaints.

1746
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,240
After receiving the public's comments,

1747
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,240
the council's review and response to Mr.

1748
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Taliadoros' report will be completed.

1749
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,630
Thank you.

1750
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,480
» Thank you. So, we're opening public

1751
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,240
comment on this matter.

1752
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,240
>> Yes.

1753
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,400
>> Welcome.

1754
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,360
>> Hello.

1755
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,960
My name is Emma McCulloch and I'm a

1756
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,880
Woodside resident of this beautiful town

1757
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,760
for more than 5 years.

1758
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,960
For more than 25 years, I've led

1759
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,480
corporate communications and media

1760
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,040
relations for leading technology

1761
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,040
companies including HP and eBay.

1762
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,320
I've handled numerous crisis and issues

1763
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,080
management and I have personally advised

1764
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,320
many CEOs.

1765
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,200
I've read the reports on this issue and

1766
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,200
the media coverage.

1767
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,360
As a rule follower and someone who

1768
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,240
believes that people in office should be

1769
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,560
representing the people

1770
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,640
and they should be ethical and uphold

1771
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,080
their values. I believe that Woodside

1772
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,280
residents should be proactively updated

1773
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,640
and informed of the outcomes.

1774
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,840
I feel that tonight, the agenda item was

1775
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,120
buried and we weren't given clear enough

1776
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,280
guidance on what the agenda item was

1777
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,880
going to be.

1778
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,760
Based on the information that

1779
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,280
individuals have inappropriately

1780
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,320
disclosed information in an

1781
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,400
inappropriate setting

1782
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,280
which was discussed originally in a

1783
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,000
closed door setting.

1784
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,080
This is not the ethical behavior that we

1785
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,400
expect from our town council.

1786
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,040
This fundamentally impacts the trust and

1787
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,520
integrity that we have as residents in

1788
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,680
this leadership team.

1789
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,880
It shows poor leadership and reflects on

1790
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,760
the town's leadership.

1791
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,520
I heard the comment from

1792
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,400
Mr. Gold about a lapse of judgment.

1793
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,640
That worries me that he thinks that this

1794
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,280
issue behind closed doors and as this

1795
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,200
gentleman mentioned

1796
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,400
the fundamental ethics of this that he

1797
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,440
mentioned that this was just a lapse of

1798
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,160
judgment.

1799
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,680
And the only

1800
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,680
outcome that I'm hearing is training.

1801
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,000
I really don't think that that will

1802
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,960
address the matter.

1803
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,720
So, I think there should be consequences

1804
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,440
and there should be a reprimand of

1805
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,000
sorts.

1806
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,520
Woodside residents deserve to have a

1807
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,000
town management that are ethical, have

1808
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,800
integrity, and are held accountable.

1809
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,960
We deserve to have been proactively

1810
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,360
updated on this situation

1811
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,840
versus the last agenda item

1812
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,920
and it being discussed as a personnel

1813
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,720
update.

1814
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,880
Thank you.

1815
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,270
>> Thank you.

1816
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,670
Mr. Evans.

1817
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,360
» So, in most places they have the saying

1818
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,760
is where there's smoke there's fire.

1819
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,360
Um there's a whole lot of smoke here and

1820
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,520
that there's one little bitty fire to

1821
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,440
then hear that it's a training issue. Um

1822
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,840
I'm with my

1823
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,200
neighbor in this and that this is

1824
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,760
ridiculous.

1825
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Um

1826
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:54,840
like

1827
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,080
why is this okay? What what is the town

1828
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,640
council, the ones in theory who are not

1829
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,000
having lapse of judgments doing about

1830
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,800
this? Uh is this going to be a slap on

1831
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:03,760
the wrist? Is it going to be oh, I'm

1832
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,400
sorry, it's all fine? Um what's up about

1833
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,160
a legal a legal counsel for the town?

1834
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,480
How many backroom dinners have we had?

1835
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,480
How often is this going on? This was

1836
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,480
one. Like is this the is this the way

1837
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,880
that the culture is? Like I think we

1838
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,760
need a whole change, a wholesale change.

1839
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,240
Starting with no way would uh

1840
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,280
Commissioner Gold be a good mayor for

1841
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,400
next year. He's mayor pro tem, if I'm

1842
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,040
not mistaken. That seems ridiculous.

1843
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,600
I wish he would step down.

1844
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,320
We should also have much more

1845
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,840
oversight on the Brown Act. It seems

1846
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,800
like one Brown Act violation out of all

1847
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:41,680
this.

1848
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,880
That seems really odd. So, I would

1849
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,560
question

1850
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,840
I have a lot of lack of faith right now.

1851
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,000
Um there's been more special meetings

1852
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,040
than council meetings in the last year.

1853
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,640
That seems weird, too.

1854
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,920
So, please be more transparent, please

1855
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,640
hold them accountable, and please

1856
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,920
rethink the town administration that's

1857
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,840
giving the council guidance because

1858
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,040
something is off. Thank you.

1859
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,520
>> Thanks, Darren.

1860
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,240
Uh we're going to connect

1861
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,800
I was just going to Someone's up their

1862
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,360
hand up in the zoom room. So, then

1863
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,000
you're next. Um,

1864
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,760
Heather King,

1865
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,400
uh, you're up.

1866
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,960
>> Okay, great. Can you hear me?

1867
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,600
>> We definitely can. Thank you.

1868
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,400
>> Okay, [laughter] great. All right, so

1869
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:21,960
yes, my name is Heather King. I'm a

1870
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,920
resident of Woodside. Just for context

1871
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,800
about some of what I'm going to say, I

1872
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,480
am I'm a concerned citizen, but I'm also

1873
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,240
a lawyer and I've had a lot of

1874
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,400
experience with investigations, HR

1875
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,080
matters, and just legal matters in

1876
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:36,360
general.

1877
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,360
And just as a side note to echo what

1878
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,200
somebody just said, I felt putting this

1879
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,680
on the agenda as personal investigation

1880
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,280
with some lawyers' names was

1881
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,560
purposely vague. I I hate to, um,

1882
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,080
cast aspersions, but there are notice

1883
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,600
requirements in the government code that

1884
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,920
exist for exactly this reason. And

1885
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,640
agendas are supposed to actually tell

1886
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,240
the public what's going to be discussed.

1887
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,480
But, moving on to the findings here.

1888
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:04,920
So,

1889
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,160
as Councilmember Gold

1890
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,520
acknowledged, he

1891
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,880
Okay, so I'm just going to say this out

1892
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,480
loud for myself, too, to make sure I'm

1893
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,080
understanding this. So, he disclosed

1894
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,120
confidential closed session information,

1895
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,319
specifically the Councilmember Walls'

1896
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,040
gender discrimination complaint from the

1897
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,720
town manager hiring process.

1898
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,359
He disclosed that to the town manager

1899
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,040
himself. And he's admitted this, so that

1900
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,880
is in dispute. And the only question is,

1901
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,440
what is the council going to do about

1902
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:36,759
it?

1903
01:08:36,759 --> 01:08:38,200
So, I just want to say this out loud.

1904
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,400
This was not a minor disclosure.

1905
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,000
It was a confidential complaint by one

1906
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,319
city council member about gender

1907
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,080
discrimination to be kept confidential

1908
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,279
precisely because information like that

1909
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:55,160
causes real harm if it gets out.

1910
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,160
And it wasn't shared with just anyone.

1911
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,480
It went to the one person

1912
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:01,240
where the damage would be the greatest,

1913
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,160
the incoming town manager,

1914
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:04,400
who learned that a sitting council

1915
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,080
member had accused another council

1916
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,920
member of discriminating during his

1917
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,359
hiring process. So, that's not just like

1918
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,400
a broken confidence between Gold and

1919
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,600
Wall.

1920
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,440
And it's not just a potential Brown Act

1921
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:18,839
violation or a council ethics violation.

1922
01:09:18,839 --> 01:09:21,319
It looks to me, looking at the totality

1923
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here, like it was the seed of the exact

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conflict that the entire investigation

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01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,680
grew out of.

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And if I'm following this correctly,

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Gold also never disclosed having shared

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it

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with the town manager, not to the

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council, not to Wall, not to the person

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it concerned. That that's not like a

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01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,319
one-time lapse in judgment. It's an

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01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,480
ongoing decision to let the disclosure

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01:09:43,480 --> 01:09:46,799
sit quietly and do whatever damage it

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01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,080
was going to do to the rest of the

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01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,240
council and to the town.

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And then just one more point before I

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ask my question.

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The concern that council member raised

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01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,920
wasn't about herself. It was, from what

1941
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,800
I gathered, about that women who applied

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,440
for the town manager role were passed

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over because of their gender.

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And that there was a push to hire a man

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regardless of merit.

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That's exactly the kind of concern, if

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01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,280
genuine, that Wall should be expected to

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raise.

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And in raising it,

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,040
I will say she was speaking,

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01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,760
intentionally or not, for something like

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,800
half the population that this council

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,520
represents.

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So, I've run several legal departments.

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,760
Discrimination is a real thing. And

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that's worth each of you really sitting

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,440
with for a second. Given her concern

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01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,720
that it was apparently became something

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so casual

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01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,960
that the person who's supposed to become

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01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,440
our mayor passed it along to a candidate

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01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,560
who got the job like it was a funny

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,520
piece of gossip

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rather than a complaint that he needed

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to take seriously. So, here's my

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01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,160
question.

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:46,920
>> Thank you. Thank you, Heather.

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>> Not whether an unethical, inappropriate

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behavior happened, that part's settled.

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But what is it you're going to do about

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01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:53,960
it? And I'm going to give you some

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advice, some free advice.

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I think you should at a formal censure

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through an actual recorded vote rather

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01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,240
than a comment from the dais.

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There should be a direct apology from

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Gold to Wall specifically

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and to the public rather than just this

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general statement of regret, which is

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how I read what he just said.

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It sounds like there's training

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01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,680
happening. That's That's good.

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And I think there should be a commitment

1984
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from Gold that he won't take up the

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01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:24,520
mayor's seat on the current timeline or

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,680
commitment from this council that you

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,040
won't allow him if you're allowed to

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keep that from happening because handing

1989
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,440
him the gavel is akin to the council

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willfully promoting a bad actor.

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And then I will just add as a little

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,280
side note and then I'll be done.

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There is a practical exposure question

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here if you don't decide to take action

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that's recorded.

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If this does become litigation,

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the record will show that the council

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had actual knowledge from its own

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commissioned investigation and chose not

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to act.

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So, I'd like to think about this as an

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,560
isolated lapse in judgment by one member

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,560
of the council, not something that the

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01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,800
rest of you would have done in his

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,080
position

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,600
as a legal matter and not just a

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01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,720
political one. If you decline to act on

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,880
a sustained finding that is

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01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,440
this serious, it functions in practice

2010
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,160
as approval of the conduct. So, silence

2011
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:14,640
here isn't some type of like safe

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default

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>> Yeah.

2014
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,560
>> that you should all take comfort in.

2015
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,160
It's a decision and it's one this

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,240
council should think carefully about

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having on the record.

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01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,160
>> Okay. Thank you, Heather.

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>> Thank you, Heather.

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>> Uh yes.

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>> Yeah. Welcome.

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,320
>> Thanks. My name is Lexi Reese. I've been

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,280
Woodside resident for 12 years. Um I

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01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,080
have some questions for special counsel

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01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,880
since you offered. Is that okay?

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01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,920
Three questions. Um So, one, you said

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,920
the investigator was identified by the

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01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,240
town's liability carrier and your office

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,120
retained under the carrier's protocols.

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01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,480
So, who determined the scope of the

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01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:54,880
investigation? Was it the council, your

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,960
office, or the carrier?

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01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,880
>> The scope of the investigation was

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,520
determined by my office.

2035
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,560
>> Okay. And the corrective action is being

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,640
recommended by your office, correct?

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:07,360
>> Correct.

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>> And that action is an accepted apology

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and additional training.

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01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,720
Did the council consider censure,

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,160
removal from the mayor pro tem, or

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,920
referral to the civil grand jury, and

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01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,080
reject them, and I'd like that on the

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01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,160
record.

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,000
>> I can't disclose what the council

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,240
considered in closed session, but I can

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,200
say that all available legal remedies

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01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,040
were considered by the council.

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01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,280
>> Okay. And does a a full written

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,080
investigative report exist beyond the

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01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,800
five-page summary?

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01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,000
>> Yes.

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01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,640
>> If it's being withheld because of

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01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,720
threatened litigation, will the council

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01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,480
commit to releasing it once the

2056
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:51,440
litigation concludes?

2057
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,520
>> The master report investigation report

2058
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,000
is being withheld as a confidential

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,960
personnel document.

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,680
And the executive summary was um issued

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,600
to the public in order for the public to

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01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,400
understand what the

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,520
uh findings of the investigation were,

2064
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,040
but the master report itself

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,200
um

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has privacy interests that are

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01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:15,800
presented.

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:16,040
>> Mhm.

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>> And as a matter of law, the report is a

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,880
confidential document.

2071
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,960
>> Okay. So, will it be released after the

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,960
litigation concludes?

2073
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,480
>> It would be released subject to legal

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01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,000
requirements. There has not been um to

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01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,280
date a uh formal public records act

2076
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,720
request for the report. If and when

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,720
there was a request, the town would

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,080
review it in accordance with the public

2079
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,520
records act to determine if the report

2080
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:44,280
is disclosable.

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,520
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I just want to register

2082
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,560
in addition to the two comments that

2083
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,360
were earlier. This is such a huge matter

2084
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,520
of transparency and accountability. It's

2085
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,000
so disappointing that this was item E on

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,760
the last session before before the

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,360
summer. Number one, register

2088
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,080
disappointment, expect our council and

2089
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,880
the staff to do better in articulating

2090
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,960
fully what's on the agenda so that

2091
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,560
everyone can participate.

2092
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,760
Um number two, I did not appreciate Mr.

2093
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:17,920
Gold

2094
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,200
grandstanding on the death of a

2095
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,320
bicyclist

2096
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,440
taking advantage of the opportunity that

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01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:26,200
there was television in the room and

2098
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,680
saying, "Hey, we're here because in part

2099
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,840
I know there's an item discussing

2100
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,800
myself." And then

2101
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,480
it felt to me a blatant play on the

2102
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:40,480
public sympathy to talk about how vocal

2103
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,600
an advocate he is for cycling. I I

2104
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,600
accept that he may be, but that just

2105
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,120
seemed too staged. And then finally to

2106
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,720
recuse oneself, but to give another

2107
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,360
impassioned plea for how deeply sorry he

2108
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,400
is for letting the details of a

2109
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,840
investigate or of a hiring process,

2110
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,960
which we all know as has been so well

2111
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,920
stated by the people before me, is just

2112
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,600
wrong on so many levels. It just feels

2113
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,360
like we're not transparent, we're not

2114
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,160
accountable, and we're not operating

2115
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,040
with a level of professionalism that I

2116
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,080
know that we would all expect if we were

2117
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,000
in our day jobs. Thanks so much.

2118
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,560
>> Thank you, Ms. Reese.

2119
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,080
I think we'll

2120
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,240
I just have to jump to um

2121
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,640
Isaan, and then we'll jump back. Uh so,

2122
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,960
Isaan in the Zoom room?

2123
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:36,560
Welcome.

2124
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,640
>> I'm in.

2125
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:39,120
>> Hello.

2126
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:40,040
>> Can you hear me?

2127
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,200
>> We can hear you. You're a little

2128
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:42,600
muffled, but we can hear you.

2129
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:43,800
>> Sorry, I'm on an airplane about to

2130
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,320
leave. I'll keep this very short. I sent

2131
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,520
in my letter. Thank you for moving the

2132
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,640
agenda item up. The only thing I will

2133
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,560
say to echo Daryn,

2134
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,400
the smoke and fire thing,

2135
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,720
when you guys did something wrong,

2136
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,760
happened. This appears like a cover-up

2137
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,200
is worse than a crime situation. Please

2138
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:00,200
work to gain the town's trust. There are

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01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,640
clearly a lot of people worried about

2140
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,840
this. Thank you.

2141
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,760
>> Thank you, Ethan. Uh now back to the

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,360
room.

2143
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:13,990
Welcome.

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,480
» There we go.

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01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:17,760
Maybe.

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01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:18,480
>> Perfect.

2147
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,560
>> Hello everybody. I'm Stacia Garr. I am

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resident at 252 Raimundo. I've been in

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01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,720
Woodside for 11 years and in full

2150
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,520
transparency, my husband is the chair of

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01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,440
the Planning Commission, so very well

2152
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:32,520
familiar with a lot of things around

2153
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,440
here. Um but professionally, I actually

2154
01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:39,360
do research on HR and on organizational

2155
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,840
behavior. And one of the things that

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01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,120
concerns me the most

2157
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,360
from that perspective is we're saying,

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01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,000
"Hey, we're just going to roll out some

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,800
training and that's going to fix what I

2160
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,280
think is fundamentally a culture

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,680
problem." That's what I see the worst

2162
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,040
corporations in the world do

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01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,960
and I would hate to see our own town do

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,480
that. There are cultural changes that

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01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:05,480
need to be made to this Town Council to

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01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:08,440
change how we talk about each other, how

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01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,320
we talk about the issues, and the

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01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:13,520
transparency that we share within our

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01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,120
town to build trust.

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01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,680
So, that's my first point. Um the second

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,160
point is I appreciate the previous

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01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,640
person's question about what determined

2173
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,400
the scope of this investigation because

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,320
a wealth of material has come out since

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,120
then that nobody has touched. And it

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,640
only reinforces the the

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01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,280
problems that the Town council currently

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01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,720
has with regard to the previously

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01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,600
mentioned items. I do not understand why

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,880
we are not touching that. We have just

2181
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,760
now heard that this is a personnel

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01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:49,760
issue.

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,000
And so we can't see that report. But oh

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01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
my, this is not a personnel issue. This

2185
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,560
is a much bigger issue and there is all

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,680
sorts of data out there that people have

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01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,760
been requesting and is publicly

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:03,800
available through those requests that

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01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,040
should be analyzed, should be

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01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,600
investigated, and we should be doing

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01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,440
something about it.

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01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:12,480
Because this is not okay. This is not

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01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,720
how we should be represented

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01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,880
within each other and to the world. And

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,400
that information is public, you guys.

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,000
If we don't do something, what's that

2197
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:22,640
going to say about us?

2198
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,120
We've already been on the New York Times

2199
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,600
cover for

2200
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,720
ridiculousness. We can't do that again.

2201
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,960
Please,

2202
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,280
censure

2203
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,640
Mr. Gold. Do not let him represent us

2204
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:36,640
next. Do not.

2205
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,760
And create a body that is something we

2206
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,840
can all be proud of.

2207
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,120
Thank you.

2208
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,000
>> Thank you. Yes.

2209
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,200
Please.

2210
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,640
>> Good evening, Mr. Chair, fellow council

2211
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,320
members,

2212
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,990
>> Good evening.

2213
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,120
» Uh my name's Christina Kamra. Can you

2214
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:56,840
hear me?

2215
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,000
>> Uh yeah, if you could just get a little

2216
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,360
closer to microphone.

2217
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,080
>> Uh I've lived in the town of Woodside

2218
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,880
for over 37 years and uh full

2219
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,040
disclosure, I was appointed by you guys

2220
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,800
uh to be on the ASRB.

2221
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,960
I've served in that position for about 3

2222
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,800
years and I

2223
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,320
I've been following this very closely

2224
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,480
and doing a little bit of my own

2225
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:21,800
research knowing as many people as I do

2226
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,800
throughout the town and

2227
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,080
what I'm speaking today to formally

2228
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,200
address the comments made by both member

2229
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:35,560
Gold and by member Brian Dombrowski as the same.

2230
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,000
>> there's one time to mispronounce it,

2231
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
it's now.

2232
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,760
>> Um

2233
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,120
that were all outlined in the

2234
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,440
whistleblower's comments.

2235
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:45,200
Uh these were not offhanded slips or

2236
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,440
mistakes or matters of political

2237
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:50,080
disagreements. They were blatant

2238
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:53,520
racially racist remarks targeted at our

2239
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,760
newest council member

2240
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:56,600
um

2241
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,160
Hassan Aberouch and they were the most

2242
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,800
demeaning and misogynous comments

2243
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,240
imaginable at our only female town

2244
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:13,070
council member.

2245
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,680
These These disparaging remarks were

2246
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,000
made by sitting members of this council.

2247
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,640
A body whose job it is is to represent

2248
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,360
every resident of the town regardless of

2249
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,440
their race or gender. That is the basic

2250
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,520
condition of holding this office.

2251
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,240
I'm calling on this council to take the

2252
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,280
following steps. Number one, let's just

2253
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,360
start with an apology.

2254
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,960
Number two, there should be a formal

2255
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,120
reprimand or censure that's entered into

2256
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,560
the public record so that it is not

2257
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,040
treated as a private matter or forgotten

2258
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,640
altogether.

2259
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,440
There should be a pledge from the

2260
01:21:56,440 --> 01:22:01,320
council to enforce our code of conduct.

2261
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,120
And finally, my preference would be for

2262
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,760
these two council members

2263
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,360
Paul Gould and Brian Dombrowski to start

2264
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,640
the proceedings for removal from this

2265
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,000
council. Not only are these racist and

2266
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,600
sexist remarks, you have put us in a

2267
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,120
difficult position with um

2268
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,760
our housing element. The staff here, I

2269
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,360
look Look the hours our staff has put

2270
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,880
together working on these things only to

2271
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,480
be undermined by your backroom efforts

2272
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:37,840
of trying to work it in different ways.

2273
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,440
And I I'm sadly disappointed and I just

2274
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,920
hope that

2275
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,720
more is done that this is just not swept

2276
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,880
under the rug and that

2277
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,120
you

2278
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,000
I I believe you're resigning but I would

2279
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,440
hope that um Mr. Gould would resign as

2280
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,880
well um because um I think we can do

2281
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,480
better as a town.

2282
01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:03,080
>> Thank you. Rick, did you want to comment

2283
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:04,600
on any of those statements?

2284
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,520
>> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. I just want to make a

2285
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,880
point of the public that allegations

2286
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,160
racial uh sexist allegations were in the

2287
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,040
report. There were many allegations in

2288
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:16,360
the report.

2289
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,240
Um none of the allegations other than

2290
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:20,600
the one allegation that we were

2291
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,520
addressing tonight were deemed by the

2292
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,360
investigator to be supported by the

2293
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,520
evidence. It's very easy to make

2294
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,800
allegations. The investigation

2295
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,120
determined that there was no support for

2296
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,000
those particular allegations.

2297
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,680
>> I you know, two things can be true. That

2298
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,240
can be very well true that your

2299
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,120
investigator never found these

2300
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,600
allegations. Another thing could be true

2301
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,520
that they did say these racist things

2302
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,720
and the people in town when you ask

2303
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,720
them, you say, "Oh my god, did they say

2304
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,480
these things?" They go, "Yeah, that's

2305
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:51,880
the way they talk." So, I think in some

2306
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,710
ways both things can be true.

2307
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,800
» Okay. Uh thank you.

2308
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,560
Um

2309
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:01,240
Mr. Lubin.

2310
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:02,720
>> We'll get to you next, Ned.

2311
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,080
>> Steve Steve Lubin um

2312
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:07,560
I would like an explanation as to why

2313
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,480
there was no written report submitted

2314
01:24:09,480 --> 01:24:12,080
for the agenda. It seems something as

2315
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,960
important as this warrants some

2316
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,680
supporting analysis

2317
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,920
or description of what the presentation

2318
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,600
would include.

2319
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,120
This further raises suspicion that there

2320
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,840
is an attempt to dismiss Jason's letter.

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,120
I find this investigation to be

2322
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,560
incomplete at best.

2323
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,680
The report omits analysis of some of

2324
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,000
Jason Ledbetter's accusations. The one I

2325
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,160
find most egregious is Jason's

2326
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,120
description and one that affects me

2327
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,360
personally is Jason's description

2328
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,440
regarding a meeting he had with former

2329
01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:46,840
council member Chris Shaw which included

2330
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,680
Bill Butler, the property owner of 773

2331
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,800
Caniato Road. Jason alleges that Shaw

2332
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,280
was mediating on behalf of the applicant

2333
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,600
to pressure the town to move forward

2334
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,320
when the project when the submittal was

2335
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:00,960
incomplete.

2336
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,800
I see no mention of the project being

2337
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,600
addressed in the so-called independent

2338
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,520
investigation. Jason's allegation is

2339
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,560
supported by a conversation I had with

2340
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,280
Bill Butler. I asked Bill, why is he

2341
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,400
spending so much money on an application

2342
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,440
which includes an unprecedented rezoning

2343
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,600
and flagrant violation of town planning

2344
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:20,840
standards.

2345
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,240
Bill said, "They told me so."

2346
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:25,480
I can only assume this means that he had

2347
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:27,440
received assurances that his proposed

2348
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,800
project would be received favorably. Why

2349
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,000
wasn't this addressed?

2350
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,640
Jason also

2351
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,160
made known the existence of the

2352
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,720
builder's remedy project on Jefferson.

2353
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,240
Shouldn't a thorough independent

2354
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,160
investigation investigate address this

2355
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,720
issue?

2356
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,800
I encounter many people who want to know

2357
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,840
what's going on in Woodside. I'm

2358
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,480
embarrassed that I don't have the

2359
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:51,600
answer.

2360
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,280
It is shameful that the town is the

2361
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,560
object of so much suspicion. It is the

2362
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,600
council's responsibility to open this

2363
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,000
investigation to public input and to

2364
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,440
shed more light on what has and is

2365
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:06,560
occurring. It is up to council to clear

2366
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,160
things up to avoid lingering suspicion.

2367
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,480
Soon the town undertook this

2368
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:15,240
investigation, several of us as soon as

2369
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,720
the town undertook this investigation,

2370
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,720
several of us requested input into the

2371
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,200
subjects to be investigated. No

2372
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:24,080
opportunity for public input was

2373
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,360
allowed.

2374
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,480
Many of us have asked for a truly

2375
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,320
independent investigation done by

2376
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,120
someone chosen by the citizens, not by

2377
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,960
the council, town attorney, or staff.

2378
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,160
This has not been done, and we continue

2379
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:41,030
to make that request.

2380
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,120
» Rick, anything Thank you, Steve.

2381
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,960
Anything you wanted to um

2382
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,520
say there before I'm moving on?

2383
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,480
>> I I can speak again to the the

2384
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,080
investigation itself. The investigation

2385
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,240
was

2386
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,320
um

2387
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,760
to address all of the allegations that

2388
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,000
were made by Mr. Ledbetter.

2389
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,120
was interviewed twice by

2390
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:03,840
the investigator

2391
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,880
to be sure the town understood all of

2392
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,640
the allegations that he was making.

2393
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,320
And all of the witnesses that he

2394
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,080
believed were um supported or supporting

2395
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,920
his allegations, all of the documents

2396
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,680
that he believed supported his

2397
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,160
allegations.

2398
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,600
So, the um

2399
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,040
investigation, as I understand it, uh

2400
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,000
was designed around what Mr. Ledbetter

2401
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,720
was claiming to be

2402
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:31,440
uh

2403
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:33,840
the misconduct and the allegations of

2404
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,960
inappropriate conduct. And all of those

2405
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,480
allegations were fully investigated.

2406
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,800
>> Quick follow-up question, Rick. Um did

2407
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,880
the investigator

2408
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,200
request or look at any of the documents

2409
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:48,000
that were produced in connection with

2410
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,160
the public record act requests?

2411
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,440
>> The investigator would have been

2412
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,120
operating uh separate and apart from the

2413
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,880
public records act process, but the

2414
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,200
investigator did ask um

2415
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,200
Mr. Ledbetter for any information,

2416
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,400
including documents, that supported his

2417
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,190
allegations.

2418
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:12,640
» Thank you. We're going to go to the Zoom

2419
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,520
room. Uh Mr. Fluitt.

2420
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,760
Hello, Ned.

2421
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,360
>> Good evening.

2422
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,640
Uh yeah, so my my name is Ned Fluitt,

2423
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,000
former council member of the town of

2424
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,960
Woodside, and I served with nearly

2425
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,080
everyone but one on the dais tonight. Um

2426
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,320
like a lot of people here, I read the

2427
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,000
whistleblower report when it came out.

2428
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,080
And besides the claims against Council

2429
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,360
Member Wall, I was frankly not surprised

2430
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,320
by any of the allegations. Um but

2431
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,520
because the allegations of racist and

2432
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,720
sexist language were not sustained by

2433
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,320
the investigator,

2434
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,200
I'm here tonight just to talk about the

2435
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:49,720
one finding this council's own

2436
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,000
investigator did sustain.

2437
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,440
Uh that

2438
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,680
Mayor Pro Tem Gold disclosed confident

2439
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,800
confidential closed session information

2440
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,200
to the town manager. Uh

2441
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:02,720
Sounds like this disclosure took place

2442
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,800
sometime last year, July 2025.

2443
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:07,400
Um

2444
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:09,200
it was described

2445
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,160
at a meeting that was the town manager's

2446
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,320
60-day performance review,

2447
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,200
which was conducted by the mayor and the

2448
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,160
mayor pro tem, which for some reason was

2449
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,400
taking place at an upscale

2450
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,920
Woodside restaurant. Um

2451
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,240
but I think importantly, and something

2452
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:24,480
that's kind of been missed here, is Mr.

2453
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:26,720
Gold made that disclosure while

2454
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,080
Mayor Domkowski listened. A council

2455
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,800
member disclosed sensitive confidential

2456
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:32,120
information in front of the mayor of

2457
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,440
this town,

2458
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,680
and nothing happened for 7 months until

2459
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,080
a whistleblower

2460
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,120
report forced it into daylight. Um

2461
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:41,680
And look at where the silence has left

2462
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,680
us.

2463
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,000
This council hired Jason Ledbetter.

2464
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:45,680
Um

2465
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,200
less than a year later, he was gone,

2466
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,640
fired for cause. In between that and

2467
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,160
outside investigator, an outside law

2468
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,040
firm, 10 weeks of paid leave, a district

2469
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,240
attorney's review, an acting town

2470
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,120
manager, and now an interim town

2471
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,160
manager, and all this the residents have

2472
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,480
paid for every hour of it.

2473
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,160
And you know, what kind of disappoints

2474
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:03,440
me through all of this is I've not heard

2475
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:04,680
anyone say

2476
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,600
I did something wrong. Something Someone

2477
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,280
didn't Someone on this town council

2478
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:09,200
Someone on this room did something

2479
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:10,080
wrong.

2480
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,120
I've heard the town disagree with the

2481
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:12,600
district attorney when he declined to

2482
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:14,320
file charges.

2483
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,080
I've read, you know, some hand-wringing

2484
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,560
about what to do, what kind of

2485
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,440
corrective action should happen.

2486
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,640
But, the only admission of error I've

2487
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:22,240
ever heard happened tonight from Mr.

2488
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,080
Gold himself.

2489
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,640
Um

2490
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:27,720
Closed sessions exist so five people can

2491
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,920
speak candidly about personnel.

2492
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,520
And so that the person being discussed

2493
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,520
is protected while they do.

2494
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,200
Council member Council member Wall

2495
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:36,680
raised a concern in a room that was

2496
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,840
supposed to be confidential. But, it was

2497
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,640
carried out the door to the man it was

2498
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:41,800
about.

2499
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,080
That is the harm. It's not just a

2500
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:44,600
technicality.

2501
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,400
It's a serious violation.

2502
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,360
Um

2503
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,760
And it was not reported by anyone

2504
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,840
despite it being known by multiple

2505
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,160
people.

2506
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:54,880
The DA declined to prosecute because

2507
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,600
disclosure isn't a crime under the Brown

2508
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,560
Act, but he did name some remedies that

2509
01:30:58,560 --> 01:30:59,840
do exist.

2510
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,440
Disciplinary actions by the council,

2511
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,360
referral to a civil grand jury.

2512
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,480
So, tonight I ask at the very least

2513
01:31:07,480 --> 01:31:09,240
if not more, adopt a written resolution

2514
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,560
of censure.

2515
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,960
Name this conduct. Put it in the record.

2516
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,560
And like other speakers, do not hand Mr.

2517
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,640
Gold the gavel in December.

2518
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:20,240
This body, if people don't know, chooses

2519
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,040
its own mayor. And elevating the one

2520
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,040
member with a sustained finding against

2521
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,120
him would tell every Westside resident

2522
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,120
here that our standards are simply

2523
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,800
decorative.

2524
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,760
And I have to say, like one of the prior

2525
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,000
speakers,

2526
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,640
I was profoundly disgusted by Mr. Gold's

2527
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,800
use of the cyclist's death to grandstand

2528
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,440
and try to diminish his own ethical

2529
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:41,000
violations.

2530
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:41,600
Um

2531
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,120
I also ask

2532
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,000
the new town attorney to look into what

2533
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,840
happened today cuz it appears

2534
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:48,880
Council member Gold violated the Brown

2535
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,080
Act again by emailing the whole council

2536
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,520
his apology

2537
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,000
um prior to this meeting, clearly in

2538
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,040
order to persuade the council on this

2539
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,280
agenda item. So, it's still It's still

2540
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,360
happening.

2541
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,200
Uh listen, I I don't think anyone up

2542
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,880
here is a villain.

2543
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,360
But I do think everyone has been slow,

2544
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,840
quiet, and is just hoping that this

2545
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,600
thing passes. It won't. It shouldn't.

2546
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,680
Own it and fix it. Thank you.

2547
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,480
>> Thanks, Ned.

2548
01:32:15,480 --> 01:32:19,400
Uh, okay. I think Oh, um Mr. Wall.

2549
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:19,880
>> Thanks.

2550
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,480
>> Uh, James Wall,

2551
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:24,200
uh, town resident. Um, full disclosure,

2552
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,120
married to Councilmember Wall.

2553
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,440
Um, I think I would sort of challenge

2554
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:31,840
the council to look in the mirror and really think about the culture of

2555
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,240
respect that you have here or lack

2556
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,320
thereof.

2557
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,160
Um, I think when you look at the

2558
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,040
sustained allegation,

2559
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,640
clear lack of respect for Councilmember

2560
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,760
Wall, um, and disclosing her real

2561
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:45,000
concerns about how the town council

2562
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,440
evaluated the

2563
01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:48,960
uh, next town council uh, the next um,

2564
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,320
town manager,

2565
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,760
uh, whether it was done fully on merit

2566
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,560
or not, I think was a reasonable thing

2567
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,280
to ask and to pass that on to the one

2568
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,200
person who could create the most harm

2569
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:59,760
with it. Uh, I agree was just

2570
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,920
really not a lapse of judgment.

2571
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,120
Um, so that's kind of respect point one

2572
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:05,360
number one.

2573
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:06,480
Then you look at the unsustained

2574
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,760
allegations. Um, they are unsustained.

2575
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,520
You can tell me that again.

2576
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:12,960
But, uh,

2577
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:14,520
to the point of where there's smoke,

2578
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:15,960
there's fire,

2579
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,040
I uh, I really wonder, um, sometimes

2580
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,440
about the people that

2581
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,280
Councilmember Wall has decided to to

2582
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,440
work with not being respectful

2583
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:28,400
uh, and doing it uh, in closed sessions.

2584
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,240
And then the last is

2585
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,120
uh, when you look just factually at the

2586
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,720
way this council's behaved and some of

2587
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,560
the members, um, count there's been kind

2588
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,440
of a tradition of rotating the mayorship

2589
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:40,960
and and a number of times, uh,

2590
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,200
Councilmember Wall was passed over.

2591
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:44,760
Maybe it was politics.

2592
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,800
Maybe it was something else. Uh, I don't

2593
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,600
have specifics, but I think that all of

2594
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,880
those are not just a single

2595
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,040
lapse in judgment. And all of that will

2596
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:55,920
not be fixed with training. So I would

2597
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,840
ask you to all look in the mirror and

2598
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,160
see if you can build a culture of

2599
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,000
respect where people want to serve and give their time to this council.

2600
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:04,000
Thank you.

2601
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,280
>> Thank you, Mr. Wall.

2602
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,000
We will go to the Zoom room.

2603
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,480
Uh

2604
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,560
Debbie, you have the floor.

2605
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,560
>> Actually, this is Kevin Greenwood using

2606
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:15,800
Debbie.

2607
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,800
>> Oh, hi, Kevin. Okay.

2608
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:18,200
>> Um

2609
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:19,320
>> Welcome.

2610
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,760
>> I've been a resident for 16 years. And

2611
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:24,720
what comes up for me initially is that

2612
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,680
the insurance company's interest is

2613
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:29,320
always in not paying claims. Having

2614
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,520
worked in insurance for 35 years, I'd

2615
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,480
say I'm an expert on that.

2616
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:36,080
So, the town having an insurer-appointed

2617
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,720
attorney representing the council is a

2618
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,920
way to avoid paying claims, not an

2619
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,280
investigation. And at the outset, it was

2620
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:45,800
said

2621
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,880
he's coming in to investigate our our

2622
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,160
position, not

2623
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,160
something that's unbiased. I have no

2624
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:55,920
reason to think the investigator got

2625
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,160
anyone on the council to admit anything

2626
01:34:58,160 --> 01:34:59,920
in substance

2627
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:01,240
for which you'd be guilty or

2628
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:04,120
responsible, and for which the insurance

2629
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,360
company might have to pay.

2630
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,320
Uh

2631
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,040
in what I heard initially from your

2632
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,120
attorney, the DA didn't seem to address

2633
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:14,920
Mr. Ledbetter's allegations. Maybe that

2634
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,800
was just left out of the conversation.

2635
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,240
But, I have no reason to think that Mr.

2636
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:21,960
Ledbetter's detailed report was

2637
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:23,280
erroneous.

2638
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,680
Um merely that accusations were not

2639
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,520
subject to proper outside investigation.

2640
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,680
Between questions of ethics and covering

2641
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,000
up the housing element issues,

2642
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,920
there's a problem.

2643
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,120
Based on prior personal experience with

2644
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,200
the town council, I have no reason to

2645
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,960
think there were not backroom deals

2646
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,200
because we've seen it in the past.

2647
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:48,800
We've also seen the way that the council handles public

2648
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,360
comments is once they cut off public

2649
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,640
comment, the council's free to speak

2650
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,360
with each other and to have stuff in the

2651
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,600
record on their behalf, and it can be

2652
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,080
completely erroneous. But, the public

2653
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,840
has no way to come back and say, "Wait a

2654
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,920
minute, you got that completely wrong."

2655
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:06,120
So,

2656
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,280
it's same old, same old. And I'm I'm

2657
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,280
sorry to see this. I'm sorry to see Mr.

2658
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,880
Ledbetter go because he's the first town

2659
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,800
manager in a long time

2660
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,960
that had the guts to really look at

2661
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,960
things and say, "This isn't what we

2662
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,320
bargained for."

2663
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,190
Thank you.

2664
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:28,110
» Uh thank you, Kevin.

2665
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:31,600
Uh any other comments from the room here

2666
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,560
on this item? Mr. Wilson.

2667
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:34,160
>> I did.

2668
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,640
>> Hi again.

2669
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:37,200
>> No prepared comments. I've actually

2670
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,640
given a TED speech before, but every

2671
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:40,760
time I come up here, I'm kind of

2672
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,120
nervous. So, I'll just speak frankly.

2673
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,400
But, I've lived here 13 years. I've been

2674
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,240
to these town council meetings probably

2675
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,240
30, 40 times. I've lived in a lot of

2676
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:52,960
towns, many rich. I've never been to any

2677
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:54,480
other town council meetings. Every time

2678
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:59,040
I leave here, I'm mad or upset. Um and I

2679
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,680
actually came once and got a lot out of

2680
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,040
you guys. You guys nailed it. Um and so,

2681
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,680
I appreciate all of that. I do look at

2682
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,200
this, however, and say there's

2683
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,600
definitely a lot wrong wrong here, and

2684
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,080
it's been broken um for many years.

2685
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:16,400
Like, Jean has fought me tooth and nail,

2686
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,840
but we wound up proving her wrong.

2687
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,600
Still, she doesn't admit to it or

2688
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,200
anything like that. Um Sage, same. I've

2689
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,120
dealt with him for years. Same kind of

2690
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,800
thing. Um

2691
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,200
and what I really am amazed by, like, I

2692
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,640
wrote a note to you guys asking for you

2693
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,440
to look at, you know, losing Jean. Um

2694
01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:36,080
and I basically called out people on

2695
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,760
here that I thought were leaving, but it

2696
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,320
he's not, which is crazy to me. Like, he

2697
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,640
must leave. He should not be the mayor,

2698
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,600
definitely. Um

2699
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,080
it's crazy for us to have to deal with

2700
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,760
this as a town. Um I don't think any of

2701
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,040
us deserve it. It's embarrassing to live

2702
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,160
here because this stuff constantly comes

2703
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,480
up. You've conducted some sort of

2704
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:58,200
investigation. It doesn't sound

2705
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:02,000
thorough. It sounds fake to me.

2706
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:06,680
And you know, I speak freely and just say

2707
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,520
I can't I don't can't believe you can

2708
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:10,160
look us in the eye and tell us that

2709
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,880
you've actually done your job. And

2710
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,600
whatever your money got paid, you know,

2711
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,240
you were brought in by them. And so it's

2712
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,120
just really disappointing to sit here. I

2713
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,720
wish I was done. You know, I told you

2714
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,840
guys I was done and here I am again and

2715
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:27,480
it's like

2716
01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:29,160
it drives me crazy.

2717
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:30,720
A lot of people have come up to me and

2718
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,400
these are substantiated claims. They

2719
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,200
didn't get picked up by you. But there's

2720
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:36,600
a number of people that are ready to

2721
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,000
come in and talk about it all. And I

2722
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,760
think maybe what might be best is we

2723
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,720
come in and speak with you, the new town

2724
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,600
manager and and take time to walk

2725
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,640
through it, but like

2726
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,840
clean house. That's that's the directive

2727
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,720
I think from most people in this town

2728
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:54,960
and sitting there and letting it

2729
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,840
continue is ridiculous.

2730
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,000
Um

2731
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:01,720
she put forward a fake report to you.

2732
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,560
The report that came to you from her

2733
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,360
she said it was all my fault at my

2734
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:07,880
house.

2735
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,840
The engineering report and she blamed it

2736
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,200
on my shed. The engineering report

2737
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:13,840
basically said

2738
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,440
it wasn't even in the scope. So I've

2739
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,080
come to her and asked her to fix it and

2740
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,200
she just looks at me like that. Every

2741
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:20,560
time I see her, she looks at me like

2742
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:21,000
that.

2743
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,120
>> Bob Bob, just make sure you direct most

2744
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:23,960
of your comments this way.

2745
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:25,000
>> Okay. Well, I want to just kind

2746
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:25,960
>> Okay. I know.

2747
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,640
>> Yeah. I'm over it. And you know, that's

2748
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,000
the thing. Come talk to us. Come talk to

2749
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,280
us. No, I'm not over it. It just keeps

2750
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,600
coming up and it keeps coming up. And so

2751
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,960
like stop embarrassing us. Do what you

2752
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,560
got to do. Cut people loose.

2753
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,840
We don't want them around.

2754
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:44,880
Thank you.

2755
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,680
>> Thank you, Mr. Wilson.

2756
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:47,480
>> Last one.

2757
01:39:47,480 --> 01:39:48,400
>> Uh

2758
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,640
>> Okay. Can I just ask, what's the purpose

2759
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,280
of tonight?

2760
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:53,840
What are What are we Like, what's the

2761
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,600
purpose of this agenda? We We heard your

2762
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,520
recommendation, and now do we accept the

2763
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,400
recommendation? Do you guys vote on the

2764
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,840
recommendation? What happens now?

2765
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,800
>> Rick, I'm going to again toss it to you

2766
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:08,560
on this.

2767
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,200
>> The The purpose of the item to

2768
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:14,840
present to the public the actions taken

2769
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,880
by the council to close out the

2770
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:17,960
investigation.

2771
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,600
>> So, do you consider it closed, or given

2772
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:25,000
the public comments, can we, the public,

2773
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,680
open the matter of censuring

2774
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:30,240
Mr. Gold,

2775
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,920
or take further action? Cuz I think what

2776
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,160
you're hearing is no one believes that

2777
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,960
training by itself is the right measure,

2778
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:39,920
no one here at least. So, I know that

2779
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,000
was your recommendation, but

2780
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,880
I having not spoken at the council

2781
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,160
meeting, I don't know what it is, but

2782
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,160
I'd like to formally, on behalf of

2783
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,920
everyone who spoke, say we don't accept

2784
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,520
the recommendation, and we want to take

2785
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,880
a different corrective action.

2786
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:57,600
>> So, the The corrective action to be

2787
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,280
taken is by the council?

2788
01:40:59,280 --> 01:40:59,720
>> Okay.

2789
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:01,640
>> So, the It's the recommendation is just

2790
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,440
that, a recommendation to the council

2791
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:05,040
for the council to decide.

2792
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,760
>> Okay. And they decide tonight?

2793
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:12,240
Or can we calendar the

2794
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:13,840
decision?

2795
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:15,960
Can we agendize? That's a new word I've

2796
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:16,680
learned.

2797
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,680
>> The council um has decided on the

2798
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,080
recommendation that I presented tonight.

2799
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:24,960
This is That's the point of the report

2800
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,720
is to advise to advise the public on what the council

2801
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:34,710
has decided.

2802
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,000
» I don't I don't I don't

2803
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,080
>> I don't agree with that that

2804
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,920
characterization.

2805
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:41,360
>> I thought

2806
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,560
then why did we have public comment?

2807
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,520
>> The council can always reconsider and

2808
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,000
based on the public's comment is free to

2809
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,960
do that. You asked me what the council's

2810
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:53,680
what the point of the

2811
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,800
item was on the agenda for tonight and

2812
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,720
that was the point to report to the

2813
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,240
public the actions to be taken by the

2814
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:02,600
council based on the one sustained

2815
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,080
finding.

2816
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:04,960
>> I'm not trying to be a gadfly. I'm just

2817
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,080
saying did the council hear your

2818
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:08,720
recommendation before and has the

2819
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,320
council voted on and accepted this

2820
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,040
recommendation?

2821
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,240
>> Council has heard the recommendation

2822
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:16,120
before [clears throat]

2823
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,880
tonight and supported the the

2824
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:22,720
report and the recommendation.

2825
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:24,640
>> By majority?

2826
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:26,600
>> I'm not I'm not free to disclose what

2827
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,600
the council how the council voted.

2828
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:31,640
>> Okay. So I guess logged

2829
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,800
undissatisfaction by members of the

2830
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,280
public for

2831
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,960
process conclusion and ask for a public

2832
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,400
agenda first meeting first item when

2833
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:45,480
council's back from recess to reopen

2834
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:47,880
what is the corrective action for Mr.

2835
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,800
Gold and don't have Mr. Gold in the

2836
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,480
meeting to start that. We just discuss

2837
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:54,800
that and get through it and then

2838
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:57,440
if he's here then he comes for the rest

2839
01:42:57,440 --> 01:42:59,200
request.

2840
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,080
Noted. Is it in the agenda?

2841
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,840
Does that go in the agenda or does that

2842
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,280
go in the notes?

2843
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:07,920
>> Your comments are part of the public

2844
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:08,480
record.

2845
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:08,960
>> Okay.

2846
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,480
>> But we'll have to figure out what we

2847
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:11,720
want to do as a council. But we

2848
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:12,840
appreciate your comments.

2849
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,800
>> The recommendation is noted. Okay. Thank

2850
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:15,240
you.

2851
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:17,920
>> I thank you. We're going to go to uh

2852
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,280
Thomas

2853
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:21,840
>> Yeah.

2854
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:26,990
>> We all still

2855
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,360
Yeah. So um

2856
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:30,200
uh

2857
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:31,960
just if if uh

2858
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,640
if you have comments we'll keep making

2859
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,000
sure everybody gets a chance to come to

2860
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,000
the microphone, but it's we just we do

2861
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,160
this in a orderly way, so everybody can

2862
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:42,160
be respectful and you

2863
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,240
the microphone is there when you're

2864
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:45,040
ready. Thank you.

2865
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,760
>> Yeah, but I just don't think it's

2866
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:49,480
respectful to have decided it's just

2867
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:52,760
training without the input of the public

2868
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:54,760
and to have had an agenda item as you

2869
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:56,920
did to sweep it under the carpet. That

2870
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:58,600
is not okay and that is not respectful

2871
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,160
and that is not transparent and which is

2872
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,840
why we're all saying this.

2873
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:03,480
>> Okay, thank you.

2874
01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:05,080
>> This needs to change. The culture needs

2875
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,400
to change and even how you're handling

2876
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:09,200
this now

2877
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:14,630
is a is an indicative of the culture.

2878
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,480
» Hey but Bob, I got to take Can I just

2879
01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:19,360
Can I take Tom Johnson is next on the

2880
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,600
list and I'm sure you'll enjoy the

2881
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,880
comments, so Tom.

2882
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:27,560
Mr. Johnson, you're live.

2883
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,000
>> Hello, good evening.

2884
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:29,960
>> Sir.

2885
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:31,320
Hello.

2886
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:32,600
We can hear you.

2887
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,040
>> Thank you.

2888
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,640
Council members,

2889
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:39,000
yeah, this is just a continuing story.

2890
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:41,240
Um, makes us wonder as citizens of the

2891
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:43,680
community how many other times things

2892
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:45,960
like this have slipped through because

2893
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,680
of quote, excuse me Jan, old boys club

2894
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,280
of wanting to protect each other versus

2895
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,520
the citizens of the town.

2896
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,600
You voted as a council to give

2897
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,320
yourselves money, a salary without even

2898
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:02,040
giving the community, the citizens of

2899
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,440
the town of Woodside that you supposedly

2900
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:07,320
swore an oath or two

2901
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,080
an opportunity to decide if town council

2902
01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,960
members should get paid. This continues

2903
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,520
your whole concept of supporting each

2904
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,080
other and not the community.

2905
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,840
Um, it's just the insurance company

2906
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:26,040
is to their benefit to make sure that

2907
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,080
nothing was found in Mr. Ledbetter's

2908
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:32,560
report. That's obvious. Anyone can see

2909
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,800
what's going on there. The fact that

2910
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:37,960
there's been no full report and it's

2911
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,520
disguised under an HR issue to make it

2912
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,240
more difficult for transparency to the

2913
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:47,040
public. I agree with the other speakers

2914
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,120
here this evening that if the town

2915
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,720
council decides just oh, we're just

2916
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,440
going to have training that that'll take

2917
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:56,160
care of the issue. That this is not the

2918
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,160
appropriate solution. The town council

2919
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,160
needs to look at themselves in a mirror

2920
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,840
and be able to see what the truth is

2921
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,320
because we as citizens are not seeing

2922
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,320
the truth that we deserve

2923
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,320
from our town council.

2924
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,240
Thank you very much.

2925
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,840
>> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Um

2926
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:25,430
Sure. Miss Miss Lubin.

2927
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,000
» Hi, I just want to um

2928
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,520
say that I I agree the report is

2929
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,120
incomplete.

2930
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,680
Um it did not address

2931
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,520
the item on Kenyatta Road and the fact

2932
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,800
that a former council member

2933
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,320
was having secret meetings with a

2934
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:46,080
developer. So, that allegation was not

2935
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:47,920
addressed.

2936
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,400
And

2937
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:50,960
maybe

2938
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,520
No, not maybe.

2939
01:46:52,520 --> 01:46:55,000
Most of these are not considered

2940
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,400
criminal, but they are most certainly

2941
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,520
unethical.

2942
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,200
And that

2943
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,360
is icky.

2944
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,160
And it makes everybody feel bad. And it

2945
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,480
it's almost a higher bar

2946
01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:12,800
to correct an unethical behavior. With

2947
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,480
criminal, it's much more clear-cut.

2948
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,640
We want the council to succeed. We want

2949
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,800
the town to be better. We're all here

2950
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,200
tonight asking for your advice and

2951
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,080
whether you participate any of you

2952
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,680
participated in any of this, I don't

2953
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:29,800
care.

2954
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,160
We're asking you to fix it.

2955
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:35,000
And that's that Kensico Road project is

2956
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,680
just one example and the Jefferson

2957
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,680
project is another example and and the

2958
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,600
allegations for for Jen.

2959
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,040
Please

2960
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,800
do something and do it right.

2961
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,720
You know, don't leave us with this

2962
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:54,480
lingering suspicion. Okay, it just

2963
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:56,600
I agree with Steve. I'm at the market.

2964
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:58,560
I'm all over town. People ask me what

2965
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,160
the hell is going on with Woodside and I

2966
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:06,880
as you know, have lived here for a long time and I don't have an answer and

2967
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:11,750
that makes me feel icky. Okay?

2968
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,120
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. Let me just speak

2969
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,440
to that. Um, the

2970
01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:17,720
executive summary of the report and all

2971
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,480
of the findings and the conclusions

2972
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:22,120
that you're referring to

2973
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,880
were made public on April 25th, 2026.

2974
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,640
To my knowledge, there wasn't any

2975
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,320
uh, request from the public that

2976
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,040
allegations needed to be looked at or

2977
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:36,600
allegations were not looked at or to my

2978
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,840
knowledge and correct me if I'm wrong,

2979
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,960
there were no public requests for the

2980
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,120
investigation to be conducted a

2981
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,720
different way, to be expanded.

2982
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:48,400
And that's and the the reason why the

2983
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,720
executive summary was made a public

2984
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,480
document was to provide the public that

2985
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:55,200
information

2986
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,360
as soon as it was received by the town.

2987
01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,560
>> One quick follow-up. Brooke, can you

2988
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,560
remind us how the executive summary was

2989
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:06,310
made available to the public?

2990
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:09,200
» It was Yes, it was um,

2991
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:12,080
posted as the town posted public

2992
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,560
documents or public notices.

2993
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:15,120
>> So, it It

2994
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,040
>> For a press release.

2995
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,680
>> It was posted on the website.

2996
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:20,720
>> I believe so. It was issued as a press

2997
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:22,120
release.

2998
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,200
And the town followed

2999
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:25,960
protocols it normally follows for a

3000
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,990
press release.

3001
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,760
» I believe someone was trying to speak

3002
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:32,480
on the Zoom.

3003
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:34,840
>> Yeah, I've got two. I just I balanced my

3004
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,040
out, but thank you. Um

3005
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,520
we're on second bites of the apple for

3006
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,440
everybody here. So, Heather King, we're

3007
01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:43,080
back to you again.

3008
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,840
>> Yeah, I just wanted to offer up some

3009
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,360
suggestions because if I'm hearing

3010
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:49,760
correctly

3011
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:50,760
I feel like I'm hearing that there

3012
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,840
aren't actions that you can take and

3013
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:54,440
there's a range of actions that I can

3014
01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:55,840
come I can think of. So, let me just

3015
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,800
list some of them out, all right?

3016
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,320
One is that you could actually one of

3017
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,240
the council members could raise a motion

3018
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,520
to censure Gold

3019
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:06,400
or to a formal reprimand. I guess

3020
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,200
somebody would have to second it.

3021
01:50:08,200 --> 01:50:09,680
If you're not prepared to do that

3022
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,200
tonight, you could do a motion directing

3023
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:15,240
the town attorney or outside counsel

3024
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,440
to return with additional disciplinary

3025
01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:19,720
recommendations including Brown Act

3026
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,200
disclosure exposure if that hasn't been

3027
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:23,600
ruled out.

3028
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,440
You could do um

3029
01:50:26,440 --> 01:50:29,400
a motion to condition or pause the

3030
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,320
mayoral transition

3031
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,320
pending resolution of the matter that's

3032
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:35,240
been discussed tonight.

3033
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,160
You could do a motion to refer the

3034
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,920
closed session um disclosure for

3035
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,200
additional determination.

3036
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:43,880
You could do a motion to continue the

3037
01:50:43,880 --> 01:50:46,760
item to a date certain meeting.

3038
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,280
There's there's various things that the

3039
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,760
council members have

3040
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,480
at hand.

3041
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:59,110
I would urge you to do something.

3042
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,880
» Thank you, Heather. Heather

3043
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,480
We are back to this room again. So, any

3044
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:05,560
other

3045
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:09,110
bites at the apple?

3046
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:09,800
Okay.

3047
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:10,840
Is that

3048
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:12,000
Okay. [clears throat] We're definitely

3049
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,120
not We're not do three, but come on,

3050
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:14,520
Bob.

3051
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:15,760
>> All right, cool.

3052
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:17,600
Um I'll keep it short. Um

3053
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,240
but it's it's just definitely one of

3054
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:21,120
these things where

3055
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,120
it separates itself from the normal

3056
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,760
world, the way we operate at other

3057
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:27,920
places. When we operate at startups, I

3058
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,760
worked for Bloom Energy, KR would have

3059
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:32,440
fired me had I done anything from a

3060
01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:34,880
confidential information perspective. It

3061
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,640
seems like what's really bothered me is

3062
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,120
it's sort of this above the law

3063
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:43,000
thing. And then what I also see is like

3064
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,800
people are afraid of you. People are

3065
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,040
afraid of you, big time. So, if people

3066
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:48,280
come

3067
01:51:48,280 --> 01:51:49,920
they they want to get their house built,

3068
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,720
but they know if they don't if they talk

3069
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:53,160
bad about that guy, it's not going to

3070
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:55,440
happen. So, I think that's where you get

3071
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:57,000
a lot of

3072
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,240
stuff where people are pretty hesitant.

3073
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:01,000
But, I mean what I would suggest is

3074
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:03,080
maybe we do another investigation. We

3075
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,240
got We got to spend some more money and

3076
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:07,840
actually have other people speak to this

3077
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,160
gentleman.

3078
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:09,960
Um

3079
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:11,280
It's just

3080
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,880
something has to happen. Um

3081
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:15,480
and just trying to push this under the

3082
01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:19,520
rug, act like it's nothing. Um it's

3083
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:20,960
There's just so many people around this

3084
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,320
town that know about so many different

3085
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:24,760
things, and they're afraid to come up

3086
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:26,520
here. I'm not cuz I have Asperger's and

3087
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,198
I don't care. But,

3088
01:52:29,198 --> 01:52:29,880
>> [laughter]

3089
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:31,840
>> but people need to come and speak

3090
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,960
freely. I mean, it's brutal to watch all

3091
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,440
this happen and just sit here and have

3092
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:40,200
to think, you know, we're powerless, and

3093
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:42,840
we shouldn't be. Um

3094
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:44,880
Our thoughts should be respected. We

3095
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,040
should be treated well. Um people

3096
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:48,920
shouldn't say bad things about us or

3097
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,520
other people. It This should be a normal

3098
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,760
town. It's just not. It's just so not.

3099
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,320
It's like it's a SNL skit or something

3100
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,080
like that. We're in the newspaper.

3101
01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:59,760
There's all these crazy accusations that

3102
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,720
always come out. Just

3103
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:04,080
it needs to be done. Off with its head,

3104
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:07,640
basically. So, I'll stop talking, but

3105
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:08,840
>> Okay.

3106
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,800
>> I think more needs to happen.

3107
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,440
>> Thank you, Bob.

3108
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:14,760
Uh

3109
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,760
All right, any other Yes, couple

3110
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,200
Oh, well, first time wins, of course.

3111
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,310
Please.

3112
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:26,520
» Pat Elgavio, 35-year resident, ASRB.

3113
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,600
I also believe that a slap on the wrist

3114
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,040
and a good uh little bit of training is

3115
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,240
not ample for for this situation. If it

3116
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:36,120
was the private uh industry, there's no

3117
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:37,760
way that he would be able to continue

3118
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:40,200
with his position. And I think both of

3119
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:41,800
you gentlemen should consider stepping

3120
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,360
down. Thank you.

3121
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,990
>> Thanks, Pat.

3122
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:50,950
And yes.

3123
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:53,360
» So, I just wanted to make clear cuz some

3124
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:54,960
other folks have made some requests very

3125
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,000
clear. My request is that we

3126
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,440
reopen the investigation, take into

3127
01:54:00,440 --> 01:54:02,840
account all of the new information and

3128
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,320
data that has come to light, and that

3129
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,680
decisions are made that will reflect

3130
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,080
ethical behaviors that set a standard

3131
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,280
for all of us moving forward. And if

3132
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:17,400
that means that some portion, maybe a

3133
01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:20,200
large portion of the council decides to

3134
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:21,440
leave,

3135
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:22,920
that is probably what's going to be

3136
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:24,960
best. You've got a lot of people who

3137
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:28,000
really care, and who, if not afraid to

3138
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,920
speak up, as Bob mentioned, cuz I know

3139
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,640
some of those folks, too.

3140
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,160
Um

3141
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,760
you know, people who will serve.

3142
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,560
You had Melinda earlier. She's serving.

3143
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,280
She's tried before. She's done other

3144
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,200
things. There's people who will serve.

3145
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,640
So, please don't let ego get in the way

3146
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:48,680
of doing the right thing for this town,

3147
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,520
and giving space for people who really,

3148
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,880
truly believe that we should have an

3149
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:55,200
ethical,

3150
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,960
high-quality council we can be proud of.

3151
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,480
Thanks.

3152
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:01,760
>> You?

3153
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:03,880
And we'll jump uh

3154
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:11,830
right to the Zoom room. Uh Maggie Ma, Mrs. Ma.

3155
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:12,560
» Yes, good evening.

3156
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,000
>> the floor. Good evening.

3157
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,960
>> Thank you. Um I I would just like to say

3158
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,400
that with all of this serious

3159
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:21,160
allegations that

3160
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:23,720
uh I think a lot of people are unsettled

3161
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:26,600
with the resolution that has been

3162
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:28,400
presented to us.

3163
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,720
Um I think a lot of us are uncomfortable

3164
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:34,040
with that. And I would like to suggest

3165
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:35,080
that

3166
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:43,120
um the idea that the only action to come out of this

3167
01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:49,240
to have Paul Geld be the person who

3168
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:52,160
is censured or whatever action is deemed

3169
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:53,640
to be taken

3170
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,240
is is really not right.

3171
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,640
There's an awful lot here and I I don't

3172
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:01,360
feel comfortable

3173
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:05,000
with that being a resolution of all of

3174
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:09,160
this. So, that is my hope that that that

3175
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:10,640
there be

3176
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,360
um

3177
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:13,640
a very

3178
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:15,040
equitable

3179
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,360
honest

3180
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:17,880
and just

3181
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:19,720
situation and that we can move forward

3182
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:21,360
from that, but I don't feel that he

3183
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,520
should be the scapegoat for this and

3184
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,280
that it be decided

3185
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,520
and passed over

3186
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,840
in in that in that regard. I just don't

3187
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,240
think that's right. Thank you.

3188
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:35,680
>> Thank you.

3189
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:38,000
Okay, any last comments on public

3190
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:43,950
comment?

3191
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,160
Okay, seeing none

3192
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:48,440
we will close public comment.

3193
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:50,440
Uh do any members of the council have

3194
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,600
any further comments?

3195
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:58,680
>> No.

3196
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,280
>> I

3197
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:01,800
I'm stunned that my fellow council

3198
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,360
members have no further comment.

3199
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,040
I'm absolutely stunned and speechless

3200
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,560
to hear all of that public comment from

3201
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:13,160
residents and to say nothing. Maybe we can go down the dais and give

3202
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:16,830
people one more opportunity.

3203
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:18,600
» Well, what do you want me to say?

3204
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:19,880
>> It's disrespectful to us.

3205
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:21,880
>> I mean, anything I say can go on the

3206
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:22,641
record

3207
01:57:22,641 --> 01:57:23,040
>> [clears throat]

3208
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:25,520
>> and and potentially affect our our

3209
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:27,800
credibility with the uh

3210
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,600
justice for the um lawsuit.

3211
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:33,710
Am I correct?

3212
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:35,600
» The uh

3213
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:37,840
the matter is uh considered threatened

3214
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:41,760
litigation and as a matter of

3215
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,560
law, anything that the council speaks to

3216
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,120
publicly chaining to the litigation, Mr.

3217
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:50,040
Ledbetter's employment would be a matter

3218
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,080
of record in that litigation. That's why

3219
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,520
as a matter of threatened litigation,

3220
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,720
the council has been advised not to

3221
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:57,560
speak publicly on Mr. Ledbetter's

3222
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:00,040
employment or the allegations in his

3223
01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:02,040
complaint.

3224
01:58:02,040 --> 01:58:07,750
>> So, it's true.

3225
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,400
» I'd I'd be happy to speak. Um

3226
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:13,040
uh while considering the advice of

3227
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:15,040
counsel not to speak,

3228
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:16,240
um

3229
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:18,040
I I really appreciate all of your

3230
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:19,800
comments today

3231
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:21,640
and I

3232
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:22,280
uh

3233
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:24,280
it's been eye-opening for me.

3234
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:25,360
Um

3235
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:26,600
and

3236
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:28,480
I share a lot of the same thoughts and

3237
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,640
feelings as many of you about

3238
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:32,160
accountability

3239
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:34,920
of public figures and the importance of

3240
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:36,600
transparency.

3241
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,880
And so, sitting up here, uh I'm a bit

3242
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,560
torn.

3243
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,440
As one as a lawyer um and

3244
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:46,200
regularly telling my clients don't talk

3245
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,160
about things and hoping that they listen

3246
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:49,480
to my advice

3247
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:50,920
and then

3248
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,360
um being advised not to talk

3249
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:54,800
and being in a position where I'd like

3250
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,120
to talk

3251
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:57,440
and

3252
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,000
um

3253
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,920
So,

3254
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,720
I wasn't planning to talk. So, this is

3255
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:09,070
um

3256
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:11,040
But, I I I absolutely agree that things

3257
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:12,960
need to be taken seriously.

3258
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:13,960
Um

3259
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:17,640
and that we as a council need to explore

3260
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:20,600
uh what more we can do.

3261
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:21,920
Um

3262
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:24,680
and I think uh selection of the next

3263
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:25,760
mayor

3264
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,240
is something that will be decided by the

3265
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,480
incoming town council.

3266
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:31,800
I believe in

3267
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:33,880
December.

3268
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,560
And so, that is uh but I I hear you all

3269
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:37,960
loud and clear.

3270
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:39,240
Um

3271
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:48,990
and uh

3272
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:50,560
And I I

3273
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:53,160
Yeah, I um

3274
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,000
I'm not ready to I don't know where to

3275
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:57,200
go from here exactly, but I do agree and

3276
01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:59,240
appreciate every all of your comments

3277
01:59:59,240 --> 02:00:01,880
and I agree to work towards everything

3278
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:03,680
that you've said and I've made lists a

3279
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:07,400
full list of your recommendations and requests and

3280
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:08,320
I

3281
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:09,280
um

3282
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,080
I definitely intend to to do what I can

3283
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:16,470
to work towards this.

3284
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:18,200
» Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting one

3285
02:00:18,200 --> 02:00:22,710
where we've been advised not to talk. Um

3286
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:25,080
you know,

3287
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:27,480
the investigation

3288
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:30,000
uh

3289
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,440
determined that

3290
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,360
the issues tied to me were unfounded and

3291
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:37,400
not sustained. Uh and that said, um

3292
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:38,760
like others on this council that have

3293
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:40,760
said things

3294
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,080
we're taking

3295
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:43,960
this very very personally. I'm very

3296
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:45,320
humbled

3297
02:00:45,320 --> 02:00:47,800
uh by this process uh and all the

3298
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,280
conversations I've had with folks

3299
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:52,600
uh, in the community, um,

3300
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:53,640
the degree we could have those

3301
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,600
conversations, uh, and I just first and

3302
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:59,480
foremost, um,

3303
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:00,640
you know, there's this old saying that

3304
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,480
experience is what you get right after

3305
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,920
you need it. And, um,

3306
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:07,920
uh, in in hindsight, there are things,

3307
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:08,800
um,

3308
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,520
uh, I don't think I would have spent 1

3309
02:01:10,520 --> 02:01:12,440
oz of time outside of any regular

3310
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,160
meeting, uh,

3311
02:01:15,160 --> 02:01:17,160
than than than than than I would have,

3312
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:21,080
right? Uh, but I did. And, um,

3313
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:23,120
I apologize for that, and I apologize

3314
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:25,760
for any statements that I've ever made,

3315
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,440
uh, that were insensitive in any way or

3316
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:30,360
hurtful. I hope I hope they I have not

3317
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:33,440
made those statements, but, uh, if if

3318
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:36,160
anything is perceived that way, uh, it

3319
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:39,080
is completely against

3320
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,800
who I am and the actions that I take,

3321
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,440
uh, to,

3322
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,200
you know, be better for the town and be

3323
02:01:45,200 --> 02:01:46,800
as productive as I can for the town.

3324
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,240
This has been an awful experience, uh,

3325
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:51,840
for all of us. Um,

3326
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,680
I know the council as a whole is very

3327
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:55,040
committed,

3328
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:55,960
uh, [snorts]

3329
02:01:55,960 --> 02:01:57,840
to making sure that we do safeguard

3330
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,440
confidential information, and that uh,

3331
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:02,960
we have integrity in our processes, and

3332
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:05,040
we treat people with respect. And I I

3333
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:06,680
hope everybody that's ever come to this,

3334
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:10,480
I hope in a public setting has seen

3335
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,840
at least a culture that I

3336
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:15,560
truly thought was very respectful. And,

3337
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:17,680
um,

3338
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:22,080
you know, it's a terrible thing to go through.

3339
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:23,560
And, um,

3340
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:26,760
uh, I you know, I I would just say that

3341
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:28,760
we all take the matter very seriously. I

3342
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:30,880
know, uh, that Councilmember Gold takes

3343
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,760
the matter very seriously. Uh,

3344
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:35,680
we've had a recommendation to accept the

3345
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,080
apology. Uh, that is a recommendation

3346
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:40,720
that I, um,

3347
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:42,720
I concur with.

3348
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:46,320
Uh and so uh that's that's where I stand

3349
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:50,400
on this and um I'm very committed to

3350
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,040
integrity. I won't be here for the

3351
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:56,190
mayor-ship decision. Um

3352
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:57,160
but

3353
02:02:57,160 --> 02:02:58,800
that's that's an interesting question as

3354
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:05,230
well.

3355
02:03:05,240 --> 02:03:11,150
» Um I'm going to start with process. So

3356
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:12,880
when I went and picked up my agenda

3357
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,920
packet on Friday

3358
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:16,240
I was

3359
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:19,000
so surprised to see the way that this

3360
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:22,760
item was described on our agenda.

3361
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:26,160
No reasonable person would have it any

3362
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:27,560
clue

3363
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:29,960
what the agenda item was meant to be

3364
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:33,920
about. And I think that's a glaring

3365
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:37,200
example of lack of transparency and lack

3366
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:39,000
of accountability.

3367
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:43,070
Um

3368
02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:45,560
And I And I had a different expectation.

3369
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:48,880
Um I expected that

3370
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:52,480
the item would be described as a

3371
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,000
you know, I I did I don't know what

3372
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,360
specific words I envisioned but I

3373
02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:59,080
absolutely envisioned that it was going

3374
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,480
to be described as a discussion

3375
02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:03,160
centering around

3376
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:04,080
the

3377
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:08,080
sustained allegation against Allgold so

3378
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,320
that the public would be able to

3379
02:04:11,320 --> 02:04:12,480
hear

3380
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:15,080
um and to show up and express their

3381
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:18,920
concerns. So process point number one.

3382
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:20,840
Um

3383
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:24,560
I also asked for but did not receive the

3384
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:25,200
uh

3385
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:30,320
our the oral report. Um so had no time

3386
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:32,960
to really process it or prepare for that

3387
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,160
and I think um

3388
02:04:35,160 --> 02:04:39,320
I think that's also a a big process error.

3389
02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:41,720
We cannot be expected as council members

3390
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:43,720
to

3391
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:47,760
digest an oral report night of

3392
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,120
and react to it

3393
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:54,080
and and and be up here and to be able to

3394
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,040
substantively

3395
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:57,920
engage and so I think that was a real

3396
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,000
process lapse as well.

3397
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,440
Um

3398
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:04,440
I'm a former litigator.

3399
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:07,560
I am a lawyer. I I spent five years as a

3400
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:09,240
litigator.

3401
02:05:09,240 --> 02:05:12,760
I fully appreciate the advice

3402
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:14,600
not to

3403
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:17,840
discuss more than is necessary. A

3404
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,600
personnel matter and this one

3405
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:24,080
is a very disturbing personnel matter

3406
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:28,160
that created a lot of chaos at the town.

3407
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:30,560
And so while I do appreciate that

3408
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:32,240
advice,

3409
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:33,800
um

3410
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:35,920
the facts are out there.

3411
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,400
The investigation

3412
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:41,640
led to some factual conclusions

3413
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:43,240
that are not going to be disputed at

3414
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:46,000
litigation and that is that Paul Gold

3415
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:47,480
did in fact

3416
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:51,480
make the disclosure to the town manager

3417
02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,320
and then that had very serious

3418
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:57,230
consequences.

3419
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:58,800
And

3420
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:02,760
I think that more needs to be done. I

3421
02:06:02,760 --> 02:06:06,680
don't think I do accept Paul's apology

3422
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:09,920
and I'm really glad that he owned up to

3423
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:12,600
a lapse in judgment

3424
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:15,720
and that he What was the words that he

3425
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:18,600
used? Um that it was inappropriate and

3426
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:20,480
it was a lapse of judgment but you know,

3427
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,160
I think as a council the apology is just

3428
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:26,320
one piece of this and I absolutely think

3429
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,840
more needs to be done

3430
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:32,160
and I I think there was uh due process

3431
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:35,400
tonight in terms of giving uh notice

3432
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:36,680
that this is what we were going to be

3433
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:41,280
discussing. Um I I hear loud and clear

3434
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,600
from the members of the public that um

3435
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:46,000
there is a clear demand, a clear signal

3436
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48,320
for more repercussions.

3437
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:49,520
Um

3438
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:52,000
and so I do believe as a council we

3439
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,360
could deliberate that this evening.

3440
02:06:54,360 --> 02:06:59,720
Um or we could agendize it for a future time. Um

3441
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:02,040
Uh I've heard a number of suggestions, a

3442
02:07:02,040 --> 02:07:04,440
censure, a reprimand.

3443
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:05,880
Um

3444
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:09,040
and uh for you know, a commitment by Mr.

3445
02:07:09,040 --> 02:07:12,120
Gold not to um try to become mayor next

3446
02:07:12,120 --> 02:07:13,200
year. I think those are all really good

3447
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:14,480
suggestions.

3448
02:07:14,480 --> 02:07:16,920
Um I guess I would be interested to hear

3449
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:18,160
from my fellow council members if they

3450
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:20,040
would be open to deliberation on that or

3451
02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:21,640
if they have already made up their mind

3452
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:25,000
that um the recommendation to accept the

3453
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:28,560
apology and to um undertake additional

3454
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,880
training is um

3455
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,160
is all that they're going to to to

3456
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:37,790
consider.

3457
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:38,960
» Thank you.

3458
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,400
Um any response to that or

3459
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:46,710
further commentary from council?

3460
02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:50,030
» I'm open to it.

3461
02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:51,320
Uh

3462
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:53,600
is that the two the two suggestions if

3463
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:55,920
that's what you're you would move to?

3464
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,520
>> Open to let me see more.

3465
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,240
>> Okay. Yeah, great. Do you want to say

3466
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:04,320
open to to uh what exactly?

3467
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:05,880
>> Further proceeding or or adjusting it

3468
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:08,080
tonight if you wanted to put up a vote.

3469
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:09,800
Uh or

3470
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:11,760
if you had something specific in mind.

3471
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:12,520
Um

3472
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:17,710
further deliberation.

3473
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:19,600
What's on the table?

3474
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:21,840
What are you asking for?

3475
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:23,840
I need a refresher on what you just were

3476
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,520
asking for. Apologies.

3477
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,800
>> Yeah.

3478
02:08:27,800 --> 02:08:30,160
I think at a minimum a reprimand

3479
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:31,720
a formal reprimand that goes on the

3480
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:33,440
record is appropriate.

3481
02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:35,640
Um

3482
02:08:35,640 --> 02:08:38,280
and I think that

3483
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:40,720
we as a council should and I'm not sure

3484
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,720
how to go about this procedurally.

3485
02:08:42,720 --> 02:08:48,480
Um but I think we need new leadership in this town and I don't

3486
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:53,990
think that um and at the end of

3487
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:56,600
And I I really I really would hate to

3488
02:08:56,600 --> 02:08:58,320
see us have to have a similar

3489
02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,080
conversation like this should Paul try

3490
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:03,960
to put himself up for mayor when we do

3491
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:06,320
the council reorganization. So if there

3492
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:08,440
would be a way to short circuit that and

3493
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,160
say that you know as a council we don't

3494
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:12,520
want that to happen that he'll just be a

3495
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:13,880
regular if he chooses to stay on the

3496
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:16,960
council um I had you know I have I have

3497
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,880
heard I I have been made aware that he

3498
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,840
was um considering retiring before this

3499
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:23,760
all went down and would decided to stay

3500
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,120
on the council

3501
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:27,720
um to see um

3502
02:09:27,720 --> 02:09:30,160
the conclusion of the investigation out.

3503
02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:32,200
Um so there's a question in my mind you

3504
02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:35,400
know we are entering an election season.

3505
02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:37,600
Um you know

3506
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:40,080
is council member Gold interested in in

3507
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:41,520
pursuing his retirement like he had

3508
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:44,000
considered in the past. Um that would

3509
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:45,640
make it possible for somebody new to run

3510
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,240
for his seat. Um that of course is his

3511
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:50,440
decision so um and I don't think there's

3512
02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:52,920
appetite on the council to remove him.

3513
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:56,920
Um so I think at a minimum um

3514
02:09:56,920 --> 02:10:00,560
a commitment that he um will

3515
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:04,000
not be um in a position to be mayor in

3516
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,120
December. Um we've heard that from a

3517
02:10:06,120 --> 02:10:07,520
number of people. I think that would be

3518
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,440
an important part of um

3519
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:15,270
what more we could do here.

3520
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:16,040
» I'm not

3521
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:16,840
>> Uh

3522
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:18,320
>> I'm not sure what we have the power to

3523
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:20,360
do uh with that part. I don't I we can

3524
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:22,360
remove him as a council member

3525
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:24,280
even if we wanted to, but not saying

3526
02:10:24,280 --> 02:10:25,560
that's on the table, but

3527
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:26,920
>> I think we could, but you'd have to

3528
02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:28,680
agendize that.

3529
02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:31,000
>> I don't think we have that power, but um

3530
02:10:31,000 --> 02:10:32,080
for the the

3531
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:33,080
>> You're not able

3532
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:34,440
>> the mayor

3533
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:38,200
uh question um if you are are open would

3534
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,120
be interested in

3535
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:41,680
putting your name in the hat for mayor,

3536
02:10:41,680 --> 02:10:42,800
I would support that. I think I'm going

3537
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:45,320
to be the only person sitting here next

3538
02:10:45,320 --> 02:10:47,800
in December that's still on the

3539
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:48,680
>> I

3540
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:49,800
very much appreciate that vote of

3541
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:51,040
confidence, but I think that's something

3542
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,080
that the the new council I mean I think

3543
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:54,120
they would have to figure out who they

3544
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:55,320
would want to nominate. So that I think

3545
02:10:55,320 --> 02:10:57,920
that's that's a question for December,

3546
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:01,160
but I think tonight and again maybe need

3547
02:11:01,160 --> 02:11:02,640
some advice from legal counsel like

3548
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:04,320
could we structure

3549
02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,880
um a reprimand to include a direction

3550
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,640
that um we would not um

3551
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:11,880
we would not like Councilmember Gold to

3552
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:13,920
we would like him to to be a a regular

3553
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,280
councilmember

3554
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:18,160
um and not as is typical a seat um from

3555
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:20,520
vice mayor to mayor in December.

3556
02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:22,520
>> I need some color on this.

3557
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:25,240
>> So uh a couple of things um under

3558
02:11:25,240 --> 02:11:28,200
California law you're not able to uh

3559
02:11:28,200 --> 02:11:32,080
only the electorate can remove a elected

3560
02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:34,360
um councilmember. So

3561
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:34,960
um

3562
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:37,240
that's always an option for people in

3563
02:11:37,240 --> 02:11:39,480
the community, but the council agendized

3564
02:11:39,480 --> 02:11:42,400
or not you can't remove a councilmember.

3565
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:46,640
The second thing is that if

3566
02:11:46,640 --> 02:11:49,440
So we're here at this juncture because

3567
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,400
the council previously directed

3568
02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:56,000
that there wasn't an appetite for such a

3569
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:57,680
hearing.

3570
02:11:57,680 --> 02:11:59,560
If you um

3571
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:01,840
would like to make a motion

3572
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,920
to do a hearing, then there's a

3573
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:06,080
procedural way that the

3574
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:08,920
uh legal counsel can tell you to have

3575
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:10,720
it's a hearing

3576
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:14,080
um etc. So

3577
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:15,680
um

3578
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:17,520
>> Thank you, Pam. Appreciate that. I think

3579
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,640
um so I just to be clear, I wasn't I

3580
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:20,920
wasn't suggesting that we remove

3581
02:12:20,920 --> 02:12:22,280
Councilmember Gold.

3582
02:12:22,280 --> 02:12:23,040
Um, and thank you for that

3583
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,280
clarification.

3584
02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:26,560
Um, what I heard from our outside

3585
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:28,280
counsel is that it's it's up to this

3586
02:12:28,280 --> 02:12:30,440
body, to the town council, to figure out

3587
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:31,840
what to do about the sustained

3588
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:34,320
allegation. And that does not require,

3589
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:35,760
as a matter of law, an another

3590
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:38,120
agendaized session. That we can, you

3591
02:12:38,120 --> 02:12:40,160
know, having, um, heard the report out

3592
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:44,240
from Rick, having, uh, heard commentary

3593
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:47,320
from lots of people in the community,

3594
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:50,720
um, that we can decide tonight, um, what

3595
02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:54,310
if anything more we would want to do.

3596
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:58,360
» So, uh, again, let me just speak to

3597
02:12:58,360 --> 02:13:03,560
procedure. So, the point of the agenda item tonight was

3598
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:07,560
to present to the public the steps

3599
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:09,560
to address the steps the council had

3600
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:11,440
determined to take

3601
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:15,440
to address the one sustained allegation.

3602
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:18,600
The council can certainly, um,

3603
02:13:18,600 --> 02:13:20,800
take all of the comments and all of the

3604
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:23,360
information received today, this

3605
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:25,240
evening, under consideration for a

3606
02:13:25,240 --> 02:13:26,560
future

3607
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:27,720
council,

3608
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:30,560
um, meeting, decision, and meeting.

3609
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,080
Um, the point of tonight's

3610
02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:35,400
matter was to present to the public the

3611
02:13:35,400 --> 02:13:38,320
steps the council decided on.

3612
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:39,760
Can further steps be taken or

3613
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:42,200
considered? Of course, but

3614
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:44,400
at this evening's meeting, this was what

3615
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:47,120
the council decided to do, and that's

3616
02:13:47,120 --> 02:13:50,390
what's been agendaized.

3617
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:51,880
» I would have been nice to have that

3618
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:53,720
articulated in the in the agenda. That

3619
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:58,830
was not my understanding.

3620
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:01,160
» Okay, so based on what you just said,

3621
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:02,880
uh, we are here,

3622
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:04,400
uh, with the report and the

3623
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:08,040
recommendation to accept the apology,

3624
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:10,480
to undertake training, and then the only

3625
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:13,040
secondary issue that we could really get

3626
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,560
into tonight is whether or not

3627
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:18,880
at some point we would want to open up

3628
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:22,040
a hearing or further action at some

3629
02:14:22,040 --> 02:14:24,360
point in the future. Is that

3630
02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:26,640
Am I hearing what you're saying?

3631
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:31,400
>> I would say that all of the information presented by the

3632
02:14:31,400 --> 02:14:33,840
public can be considered by the council

3633
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:35,680
and the council can in a

3634
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:38,720
future hearing address

3635
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:40,520
uh those

3636
02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:42,160
um

3637
02:14:42,160 --> 02:14:44,400
comments and recommendations after the

3638
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:45,840
council's had an opportunity to

3639
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:48,160
deliberate on

3640
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:49,920
that information to determine if any

3641
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:51,840
additional steps beyond those that

3642
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:52,840
you've uh

3643
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:54,840
identified here this evening that you

3644
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:56,600
wish to take.

3645
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:58,120
>> What can you clarify? Why can't that

3646
02:14:58,120 --> 02:15:00,240
deliberation happen right now?

3647
02:15:00,240 --> 02:15:02,160
What I mean, I'm just not understanding

3648
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:05,080
the legal advice.

3649
02:15:05,080 --> 02:15:07,040
>> So, well, first of all, I think the

3650
02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:08,440
council

3651
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:09,480
um

3652
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:11,440
brought forward recommended

3653
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:12,960
brought forward steps that they were

3654
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:15,400
prepared to take and if they're going if

3655
02:15:15,400 --> 02:15:16,960
the council wishes to take additional

3656
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,640
steps, then that would have to follow

3657
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:20,720
council deliberation.

3658
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:22,680
That would be in closed session. You're

3659
02:15:22,680 --> 02:15:24,520
not

3660
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:27,040
I mean, it hasn't been agendized.

3661
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:28,920
My recommendation would be the council

3662
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:30,680
can take it under consideration the

3663
02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:32,640
information the public presented and the

3664
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:34,480
council can report back at a future

3665
02:15:34,480 --> 02:15:36,720
meeting if it is going to add to

3666
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:39,080
subtract from the steps that you've

3667
02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:46,310
identified.

3668
02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:48,000
» Yeah, okay.

3669
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:51,720
So, yeah, um thank you. Uh public

3670
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,400
comment right now is closed as we

3671
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:55,560
determine next steps here.

3672
02:15:55,560 --> 02:16:00,310
Um

3673
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:01,560
So, what

3674
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:04,520
um just coming back one more time.

3675
02:16:04,520 --> 02:16:08,120
So, tonight uh what was agreed upon was

3676
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:10,000
acceptance of apology

3677
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,680
and additional training. There were a

3678
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:14,240
lot of nice ideas brought up tonight

3679
02:16:14,240 --> 02:16:15,800
about pledge of conduct and all sorts of

3680
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:17,720
things that we could also look at as a

3681
02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:19,280
group.

3682
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:21,280
And to your point, because of the way

3683
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:24,280
the matter is, if we wanted to talk more

3684
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:25,800
about it, we would be going back into

3685
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:27,800
closed session to talk more about it and

3686
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:29,240
then coming back out again and

3687
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:30,720
potentially either agendizing or

3688
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:32,480
reporting out. Is that

3689
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:34,559
>> I'm going to defer

3690
02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:37,280
my belief is that is uh available to the

3691
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:38,960
council. I'm going to defer to the town

3692
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:47,070
attorney.

3693
02:16:47,080 --> 02:16:49,400
» So, what you had on your uh agenda for

3694
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:51,120
tonight was a report. If the council

3695
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:53,360
wishes to do anything other than what we

3696
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:54,840
believed we were directed to bring

3697
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:56,080
forward to you

3698
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:57,679
uh and you wish to consider this further

3699
02:16:57,679 --> 02:16:59,320
or to consider any other corrective

3700
02:16:59,320 --> 02:17:01,440
action, you cannot do that this evening.

3701
02:17:01,440 --> 02:17:03,760
You would need to agendize that at at a

3702
02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:07,200
subsequent hearing. Um and that hearing

3703
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,280
um

3704
02:17:08,280 --> 02:17:10,280
uh Councilmember Gold has a due process

3705
02:17:10,280 --> 02:17:13,639
right uh to appear and say anything he

3706
02:17:13,639 --> 02:17:15,080
wishes to say in his own defense and

3707
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:17,040
that has not occurred tonight because

3708
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:18,360
that is not what we understood the

3709
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:20,440
council was asking us to do.

3710
02:17:20,440 --> 02:17:23,160
>> Okay. That makes actually

3711
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:26,519
that makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

3712
02:17:26,519 --> 02:17:28,599
So, that's where we are.

3713
02:17:28,599 --> 02:17:29,920
accepting the report and

3714
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:32,519
recommendation tonight and

3715
02:17:32,519 --> 02:17:35,559
we will as a committee here

3716
02:17:35,559 --> 02:17:36,679
um

3717
02:17:36,679 --> 02:17:38,960
continue this discussion in closed

3718
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:40,240
session

3719
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,679
at a future date.

3720
02:17:42,679 --> 02:17:46,280
This is This is personnel in in in

3721
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:47,880
public.

3722
02:17:47,880 --> 02:17:49,240
>> It's kind of like you guys are

3723
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:50,679
>> Yeah, so

3724
02:17:50,679 --> 02:17:52,440
ha ha

3725
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:57,440
Yeah, okay. So, again, I'm sorry, public comment is

3726
02:17:57,440 --> 02:17:59,760
closed. We've been

3727
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,400
we're We're the best we can up here,

3728
02:18:01,400 --> 02:18:02,599
Bob.

3729
02:18:02,599 --> 02:18:04,719
Uh any other

3730
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:07,080
I know, to all of you. I'm sorry.

3731
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:07,440
Thank you.

3732
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:09,840
>> And you might have commented about nice.

3733
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:11,440
If that was dismissive.

3734
02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:14,669
That was so dismissive.

3735
02:18:14,679 --> 02:18:15,960
» I don't know what you were referring to

3736
02:18:15,960 --> 02:18:17,160
there, but um but

3737
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:18,639
>> ideas.

3738
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:19,599
Those were nice ideas.

3739
02:18:19,599 --> 02:18:21,320
>> Yeah. Oh, because I thought they were

3740
02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:23,040
nice ideas. They're good ideas.

3741
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:23,840
>> extremely dismissive.

3742
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,960
>> Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you.

3743
02:18:26,960 --> 02:18:28,320
All right. Well, we are accepting the

3744
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,920
report unless there's I'm I'm I don't

3745
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:32,360
know You're saying we're not taking a

3746
02:18:32,360 --> 02:18:33,920
vote, so I'm sort of confused how to

3747
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:36,679
even close this piece. Um Jane, can you

3748
02:18:36,679 --> 02:18:39,440
give some color?

3749
02:18:39,440 --> 02:18:41,400
>> Yes, tonight was a report and we

3750
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:42,960
understood that

3751
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:44,960
uh the direction from council was to

3752
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:46,880
accept an apology from Council Member

3753
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:48,400
Gold and to

3754
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:49,679
uh agree with the recommendation for

3755
02:18:49,679 --> 02:18:51,599
training. If the council wishes to do

3756
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:53,719
anything further, um you should give us

3757
02:18:53,719 --> 02:18:55,639
some direction this evening as to what

3758
02:18:55,639 --> 02:19:02,430
it is you're asking us to do.

3759
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:03,800
» Are there anything that we are asking

3760
02:19:03,800 --> 02:19:05,240
them to do? I can start with you.

3761
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:07,280
>> I I my my thought We're going to talk

3762
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:08,800
more about this before we make a

3763
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:10,599
decision that goes beyond where we are

3764
02:19:10,599 --> 02:19:11,719
right now.

3765
02:19:11,719 --> 02:19:15,270
I'm not prepared to do that tonight.

3766
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:16,639
I've heard We've heard what they've

3767
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:18,200
said. There's a lot of implications to

3768
02:19:18,200 --> 02:19:20,040
what's been said. A lot of subjects been

3769
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:23,160
covered besides just that one instance.

3770
02:19:23,160 --> 02:19:25,000
So, I want to cover it thoroughly, not

3771
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:26,559
just

3772
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:28,800
Wait, let's make a decision and go.

3773
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:30,559
>> If we could have some direction by way

3774
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:31,840
of a motion and a vote, that would be

3775
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:36,629
very helpful from the staff table.

3776
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:38,400
» Yeah, I mean

3777
02:19:38,400 --> 02:19:40,320
like I said, I was

3778
02:19:40,320 --> 02:19:42,840
totally surprised about how this item

3779
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:44,599
was described on the agenda. I thought

3780
02:19:44,599 --> 02:19:47,639
it was meant to be the hearing where we

3781
02:19:47,639 --> 02:19:50,360
would deliberate and uh make a decision

3782
02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:52,040
on what to do. So, the fact that it's

3783
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:53,960
now being presented as an oral report

3784
02:19:53,960 --> 02:19:55,800
that I learned about on Friday is

3785
02:19:55,800 --> 02:19:57,440
totally stunning to me.

3786
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:59,160
Um I I

3787
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:01,240
fully believe that we would be able to

3788
02:20:01,240 --> 02:20:04,080
deliberate, hear from the public, and as

3789
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:06,920
a council make a decision on what to do,

3790
02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:09,880
um whether it was to just uh accept an

3791
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:12,600
apology and training or based on what we

3792
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,400
heard from citizens, uh do something

3793
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:17,640
different. Like that's how every agenda

3794
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:21,040
item works. We present the agenda item.

3795
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:24,040
We have an opportunity to ask questions.

3796
02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:27,200
We hear from the public. We deliberate,

3797
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:31,520
and then we make a decision. Like I it is unfathomable to me that that's

3798
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,720
like not what's happening. Um and so to

3799
02:20:34,720 --> 02:20:41,720
kick the can down the road, you know, I I just do not understand. Um

3800
02:20:41,720 --> 02:20:43,640
you know, I guess who am I? I'm only a

3801
02:20:43,640 --> 02:20:45,440
former litigator and a now general

3802
02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:47,880
counsel. Like I guess I have to accept

3803
02:20:47,880 --> 02:20:49,320
the legal advice cuz

3804
02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:51,320
I you know, I I

3805
02:20:51,320 --> 02:20:57,840
couldn't, you know, I'm not prepared to say anything different. Um

3806
02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:59,800
but yeah, I guess we need to get some

3807
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:02,760
direction. I don't think um training is

3808
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:03,920
enough.

3809
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:05,400
Um

3810
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:06,520
so

3811
02:21:06,520 --> 02:21:07,440
you know, I'd

3812
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:08,720
love to hear from my fellow council

3813
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:10,400
members if they agree additional

3814
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:12,120
direction is needed and what their

3815
02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:13,560
suggestions are on what that direction

3816
02:21:13,560 --> 02:21:16,710
would be.

3817
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:18,560
Not a motion.

3818
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:20,400
>> Just trying to see if we have

3819
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:21,960
anything.

3820
02:21:21,960 --> 02:21:27,230
Yeah, Sun, do you have any thoughts?

3821
02:21:27,240 --> 02:21:30,510
» Um

3822
02:21:30,520 --> 02:21:32,800
Are Are

3823
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:34,800
Jen, are you proposing uh

3824
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,560
Council member Wall, are you proposing

3825
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:39,680
uh

3826
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:41,040
a hearing, an actual hearing?

3827
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:42,440
>> proposed anything. I'm wondering what

3828
02:21:42,440 --> 02:21:46,590
your what your thoughts are.

3829
02:21:46,600 --> 02:21:48,520
» I'm open.

3830
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:52,600
I mean, it feels like um

3831
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:54,520
constituents are not happy with the you

3832
02:21:54,520 --> 02:21:56,160
know, with what happened here tonight

3833
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:57,280
with the

3834
02:21:57,280 --> 02:21:59,760
way it was presented. Um

3835
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:02,600
I can understand. I

3836
02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:03,760
feel like some really good points were

3837
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,120
made. So, um

3838
02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:08,200
but I hadn't really thought and I I I'm

3839
02:22:08,200 --> 02:22:10,200
not sure where we go from here.

3840
02:22:10,200 --> 02:22:11,720
Uh cuz it

3841
02:22:11,720 --> 02:22:13,200
doesn't seem appropriate to just close

3842
02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:14,560
it here and

3843
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,360
we all go on our way and

3844
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:19,560
I don't see that resolving this.

3845
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:21,520
So, um

3846
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:23,000
I don't know if we continue it if we can

3847
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:25,880
continue it to

3848
02:22:25,880 --> 02:22:27,480
uh

3849
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:29,000
another evening and then have but I but

3850
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:32,080
I'm not sure what's what would be the

3851
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:34,120
proposal uh a hearing or a further

3852
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,120
conversation of this. I don't want to

3853
02:22:36,120 --> 02:22:37,960
just kind of come back and

3854
02:22:37,960 --> 02:22:43,990
without further direction. Um

3855
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:45,440
But, I'm also not prepared cuz I haven't

3856
02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:47,360
really

3857
02:22:47,360 --> 02:22:48,800
had a chance to think about where we go

3858
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:52,360
from here. So, um

3859
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:54,160
>> I know the public is still Could the

3860
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:56,280
public just help the council out? Like,

3861
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:57,960
you want to call

3862
02:22:57,960 --> 02:22:59,000
>> Actually,

3863
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:01,600
okay. It's very kind of you, but

3864
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:03,440
No, no, no. No, you can't We're not

3865
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:06,160
going to do that, but um

3866
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:08,240
So, I'm in Yeah.

3867
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:10,440
>> So, so really

3868
02:23:10,440 --> 02:23:12,640
you have a choice to provide us

3869
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:14,120
direction for something at a future

3870
02:23:14,120 --> 02:23:16,080
agenda. But, somebody has to make a

3871
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:18,080
motion and a second and you have to vote

3872
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:20,960
on it to ask us to continue it or to

3873
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:24,400
schedule something in the future.

3874
02:23:24,400 --> 02:23:25,720
So,

3875
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:28,280
um

3876
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:30,560
if someone wants to make a motion or to

3877
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:32,920
continue it or if somebody wants to make

3878
02:23:32,920 --> 02:23:35,040
a motion to

3879
02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:37,720
schedule a session and then go through

3880
02:23:37,720 --> 02:23:39,120
how the procedures would work for a

3881
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:40,400
hearing,

3882
02:23:40,400 --> 02:23:42,440
um that would be what you would need to

3883
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:43,960
do next.

3884
02:23:43,960 --> 02:23:45,760
>> I think I mean, if I might just jump in.

3885
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:51,110
This is an evolving situation and um

3886
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:52,880
you know, we were trying to bring this

3887
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:54,400
into the public to try to be

3888
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:58,160
transparent. Um the timing of this is

3889
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,680
just not ideal. It's just not. And to

3890
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:02,880
have a big conversation

3891
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:04,480
with all these moving parts right now

3892
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:07,040
outside of us is

3893
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:08,720
it's very difficult to do. So, if you're

3894
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:10,200
registering like, what are they doing up

3895
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:13,400
here? They're all processing uh

3896
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:16,920
a couple layers here. Um

3897
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:19,400
Tonight, I'm in the position uh myself

3898
02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:21,080
as I stated earlier of accepting the

3899
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:23,840
apology and the recommendations uh by

3900
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:25,440
our outside counsel.

3901
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:28,320
Um it doesn't mean uh that we can't

3902
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:31,080
continue as the world evolves to cover

3903
02:24:31,080 --> 02:24:32,920
this in closed session and and think

3904
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:36,950
about next steps, which I'm

3905
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:38,800
which I haven't thought about because I

3906
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:41,040
didn't get there in my thinking yet. Uh

3907
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:43,920
so, right now where I am is accepting

3908
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:45,640
the apology and the recommendations from

3909
02:24:45,640 --> 02:24:47,040
our counsel.

3910
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:50,320
>> And I'm in agreement with you on that.

3911
02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:51,400
>> Awesome.

3912
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:52,800
>> So,

3913
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:53,880
I think

3914
02:24:53,880 --> 02:24:55,720
I would I and I you know, if we need a

3915
02:24:55,720 --> 02:24:57,280
vote, if some if you'd like to make a

3916
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,880
motion to see if it can

3917
02:24:59,880 --> 02:25:01,040
uh you know,

3918
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:02,720
you the motion the floor is yours if

3919
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:04,400
you'd like to make a a motion otherwise,

3920
02:25:04,400 --> 02:25:09,310
of course.

3921
02:25:09,320 --> 02:25:10,880
» Yes, I very much would like to make a

3922
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:12,800
motion. I I'm really struggling here

3923
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:16,280
because again, my understanding

3924
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:19,400
of the procedural aspects of this is

3925
02:25:19,400 --> 02:25:22,680
that it's the town council's decision

3926
02:25:22,680 --> 02:25:24,480
what to do.

3927
02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:27,680
And that yes, a censure motion can be

3928
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:31,920
made and seconded and then agendized.

3929
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,160
But I If my understanding is that a

3930
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:36,880
reprimand can be issued without that

3931
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:39,080
additional procedural step.

3932
02:25:39,080 --> 02:25:41,080
>> That's incorrect because any sort of

3933
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:42,720
disciplinary action which you take as a

3934
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:44,920
council uh council member who is the

3935
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:46,480
subject of that has a right to due

3936
02:25:46,480 --> 02:25:47,720
process.

3937
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:49,160
And that would be a hearing at which he

3938
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:51,600
can appear and make a case for his

3939
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:53,800
position as well. That has not occurred

3940
02:25:53,800 --> 02:25:55,280
because that is not what we understood

3941
02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:56,800
you were asking us to bring forward to

3942
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:02,590
you.

3943
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:03,080
» Okay.

3944
02:26:03,080 --> 02:26:04,400
>> We're not set up for it.

3945
02:26:04,400 --> 02:26:04,760
>> Okay.

3946
02:26:04,760 --> 02:26:05,480
>> Yep.

3947
02:26:05,480 --> 02:26:06,040
>> Okay.

3948
02:26:06,040 --> 02:26:10,000
>> And and how would you articulate a motion like

3949
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:12,120
that? Would you Is it a motion for a

3950
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:14,680
hearing on a censure or a reprimand? Is

3951
02:26:14,680 --> 02:26:15,160
it something

3952
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:16,800
>> Right.

3953
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:18,400
>> and or other remedies that the town

3954
02:26:18,400 --> 02:26:20,400
council may choose to take?

3955
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:22,400
>> Correct.

3956
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:24,920
>> Okay. I'll make a motion to to have a

3957
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:27,240
hearing to consider whether a censure, a

3958
02:26:27,240 --> 02:26:30,120
reprimand, or other remedies that the

3959
02:26:30,120 --> 02:26:33,120
council may choose to take.

3960
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:34,480
>> Second.

3961
02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:36,840
>> Okay. Councilmember Obritsch?

3962
02:26:36,840 --> 02:26:37,320
>> Yes.

3963
02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:38,400
>> Councilmember Brown?

3964
02:26:38,400 --> 02:26:39,200
>> No.

3965
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:40,560
>> Councilmember Long?

3966
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:41,160
>> Yes.

3967
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:44,550
>> Mayor Domkalski?

3968
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:47,430
» No.

3969
02:26:47,440 --> 02:26:50,040
No, that's not We can have further

3970
02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:52,200
discussions, figure out what are our

3971
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:54,000
next steps, but

3972
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,280
uh

3973
02:26:56,280 --> 02:27:01,080
I'm not I'm not there today.

3974
02:27:01,080 --> 02:27:02,360
>> Yeah.

3975
02:27:02,360 --> 02:27:04,040
>> Okay.

3976
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:05,600
Are there any any other motions before

3977
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:09,750
closing this item?

3978
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:12,000
All right, item is closed. Is there any

3979
02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:13,680
item in the Moving on, we'll May Why

3980
02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,400
don't we take a 5-minute break actually?

3981
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:17,960
Yeah, 5-minute break and we'll go get

3982
02:27:17,960 --> 02:27:19,320
Paul.

3983
02:27:19,320 --> 02:27:21,240
the council or public to pull an item

3984
02:27:21,240 --> 02:27:23,400
for further discussion.

3985
02:27:23,400 --> 02:27:25,080
Are there any items by the council that

3986
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:26,080
you would like to have pulled for

3987
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:29,510
further discussion?

3988
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:30,880
Any items from the public that you would

3989
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:32,160
like to hear

3990
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:34,910
have pulled?

3991
02:27:34,920 --> 02:27:37,040
Hearing none, I will entertain a motion.

3992
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:38,600
>> Yeah, I don't have time. I don't have

3993
02:27:38,600 --> 02:27:41,280
that in front of me.

3994
02:27:41,280 --> 02:28:06,750
Do you have a report we can give him?

3995
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:07,760
All good?

3996
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:10,480
Okay, great. Uh is there someone on the

3997
02:28:10,480 --> 02:28:11,840
council that can make a motion for these

3998
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:14,950
six items?

3999
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:18,280
» I move I move that we approve the uh

4000
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:22,560
six items on the consent calendar.

4001
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:23,840
>> Councilmember Aberish?

4002
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:24,120
>> Yes.

4003
02:28:24,120 --> 02:28:24,920
>> Councilmember Brown?

4004
02:28:24,920 --> 02:28:25,440
>> Yes.

4005
02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:28,120
>> Councilmember Gold? Councilmember Wall?

4006
02:28:28,120 --> 02:28:29,240
Mayor Domkeowski?

4007
02:28:29,240 --> 02:28:30,920
>> Yes, thank you. Um

4008
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:33,200
and with great apology to Ms.

4009
02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:35,760
Putnam, I apologize um for having to

4010
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:37,280
restructure the agenda this evening, but

4011
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:39,960
as you saw, it was important to do. Um

4012
02:28:39,960 --> 02:28:42,400
well, so we'll we're jumping to item B,

4013
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:44,400
and uh which is an approval for a final

4014
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:46,840
map on 1101 Kenyatta, and that

4015
02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:49,360
subdivision.

4016
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:51,560
>> Um so, thank you, Mayor. Um good

4017
02:28:51,560 --> 02:28:53,360
evening, councilmembers. I'll just give

4018
02:28:53,360 --> 02:28:56,360
a brief introduction. Um so,

4019
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:58,520
what you have before you tonight is an

4020
02:28:58,520 --> 02:29:01,160
application for a final map. Uh this is

4021
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:02,600
a technical procedure in which the

4022
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:03,880
council

4023
02:29:03,880 --> 02:29:07,000
uh ensures uh through staff review that

4024
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,360
all of the conditions of approval from

4025
02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:12,360
the tentative map have been implemented

4026
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:15,360
um or in process uh for the final map.

4027
02:29:15,360 --> 02:29:17,120
Um we're happy to go further into a a

4028
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:18,640
little bit more of a presentation

4029
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:20,800
Sarah's prepared. Um given the time of

4030
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:22,080
the evening, we can just answer

4031
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:24,320
questions. All the information is in the

4032
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:27,040
packet, um but we can go into Sarah has

4033
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,360
a very brief presentation if you'd like

4034
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:29,673
to hear it.

4035
02:29:29,673 --> 02:29:30,680
>> [snorts]

4036
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:31,840
>> I think it would make sense to see the

4037
02:29:31,840 --> 02:29:35,000
brief presentation. Don't worry.

4038
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:36,320
>> Thank you.

4039
02:29:36,320 --> 02:29:38,120
Good evening, Mayor Domkowski

4040
02:29:38,120 --> 02:29:39,680
and council members.

4041
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:41,120
Um as H mentioned, I'm just going to

4042
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,160
give a brief overview of the subdivision

4043
02:29:43,160 --> 02:29:45,800
and roadway project at 1101 Kenyatta

4044
02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:47,320
Road.

4045
02:29:47,320 --> 02:29:48,760
Uh tonight, the council will be

4046
02:29:48,760 --> 02:29:51,120
reviewing the final map for approval

4047
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:53,200
prior to recordation at San Mateo

4048
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:55,040
County.

4049
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,640
In November uh 2023, the town council

4050
02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:00,880
approved the tentative map for a

4051
02:30:00,880 --> 02:30:03,600
seven-lot subdivision including the

4052
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:06,480
construction of a new private road.

4053
02:30:06,480 --> 02:30:09,280
Uh there is no development for the lots

4054
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,360
proposed at this time.

4055
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,680
The final map review by the council

4056
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:15,560
shall determine if the final map

4057
02:30:15,560 --> 02:30:17,520
conforms with the approved tentative map

4058
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,640
and its conditions of approval.

4059
02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:21,920
The staff report outlines all of the

4060
02:30:21,920 --> 02:30:23,600
conditions of approval of the tentative

4061
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:26,480
map and how the project complies.

4062
02:30:26,480 --> 02:30:28,640
Uh the final map meets the technical

4063
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:31,040
requirements of the subdivision chapter

4064
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:32,880
and was reviewed by planning and

4065
02:30:32,880 --> 02:30:34,840
engineering staff.

4066
02:30:34,840 --> 02:30:36,960
The applicant included a tree and

4067
02:30:36,960 --> 02:30:38,280
roadway

4068
02:30:38,280 --> 02:30:40,000
um plan which was included in their

4069
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,200
improvement plans and the applicant

4070
02:30:42,200 --> 02:30:45,120
provide prepared a restrictive covenant

4071
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,080
that will be recorded on the property

4072
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:49,760
ensuring all future development complies

4073
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:51,760
with the conditions for future

4074
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:54,680
development of the lots.

4075
02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:56,600
Uh so, staff recommends approval of the

4076
02:30:56,600 --> 02:30:59,000
final map and restrictive covenant and

4077
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:01,200
if the council approves the final map,

4078
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:02,880
the applicant will work with staff to

4079
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:05,080
obtain necessary signatures and the

4080
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:07,240
final map and restrictive covenant will

4081
02:31:07,240 --> 02:31:09,160
be recorded at the San Mateo County

4082
02:31:09,160 --> 02:31:12,160
Recorder's Office after completion of

4083
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:14,920
the construction permits.

4084
02:31:14,920 --> 02:31:16,440
Um and that concludes my presentation

4085
02:31:16,440 --> 02:31:17,840
and I'm happy to answer any questions.

4086
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:18,720
Thank you.

4087
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:24,870
>> Ms. Sarah, any questions for staff?

4088
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:27,480
Okay, we will ask if there are questions

4089
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:29,960
from the public on this matter. Item B,

4090
02:31:29,960 --> 02:31:33,240
final approval of a final map for 1101

4091
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:35,520
Kenyatta. Yes, Mr. Lubin.

4092
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:37,640
>> Mr. Lubin, um I would like to

4093
02:31:37,640 --> 02:31:40,280
congratulate Lisa Putnam on a really

4094
02:31:40,280 --> 02:31:42,840
great job of designing the subdivision.

4095
02:31:42,840 --> 02:31:46,400
Her love for the natural landscape and

4096
02:31:46,400 --> 02:31:48,760
the vegetation really comes through and

4097
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:51,160
she's overcome the bad instincts of her

4098
02:31:51,160 --> 02:31:53,480
engineers to do that and I really

4099
02:31:53,480 --> 02:31:55,840
applaud her for that and think it's

4100
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:57,280
going to be a great addition to the

4101
02:31:57,280 --> 02:31:58,760
town.

4102
02:31:58,760 --> 02:31:59,960
>> Thank you for that lovely comment,

4103
02:31:59,960 --> 02:32:01,720
Steve.

4104
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:08,910
Sir.

4105
02:32:08,920 --> 02:32:12,240
» Hi, Ken Ogden, uh resident 45 years,

4106
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:14,320
live adjacent to the property.

4107
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:15,560
If you read through the packet, there's

4108
02:32:15,560 --> 02:32:17,960
an encroachment permit that's in there

4109
02:32:17,960 --> 02:32:20,400
uh that was put on my property uh when

4110
02:32:20,400 --> 02:32:23,640
they put a drain system in years ago.

4111
02:32:23,640 --> 02:32:26,360
Uh my complaint or my concern is the

4112
02:32:26,360 --> 02:32:28,000
maintenance of that.

4113
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:28,960
Uh

4114
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:30,200
when it was originally done as the

4115
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:32,200
permit, the encroachment permit, that

4116
02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:33,960
the Putnams would be taking care of it

4117
02:32:33,960 --> 02:32:35,480
for perpetuity.

4118
02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:37,960
Uh I've requested that that go into

4119
02:32:37,960 --> 02:32:39,720
their CC&Rs.

4120
02:32:39,720 --> 02:32:41,800
Um to me, it's not quite adequate what's

4121
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:43,400
been in there. I've gone to the town a

4122
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:46,240
couple of times, uh spoken to them

4123
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:48,040
multiple times, don't get much of a

4124
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:51,320
response. Here's some my current emails

4125
02:32:51,320 --> 02:32:53,680
from when this packet came out to try to

4126
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:55,920
address that. So, I have a hard time

4127
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:58,360
with them um with you

4128
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:01,920
finalizing the permit or the the uh plan

4129
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,680
without rectifying this issue

4130
02:33:04,680 --> 02:33:06,880
uh cuz there is a large drainage catch

4131
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:08,920
basin there and there's no access to get

4132
02:33:08,920 --> 02:33:10,200
in and clean it, although they're

4133
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:12,120
responsible for cleaning it.

4134
02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:13,800
If you I was just looking through cuz I

4135
02:33:13,800 --> 02:33:16,880
hadn't seen these documents before,

4136
02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:18,880
that the encroachment permit in section

4137
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:22,120
13 talks about uh defending indemnity

4138
02:33:22,120 --> 02:33:23,880
and everything else.

4139
02:33:23,880 --> 02:33:25,040
Um

4140
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:28,360
and I'm curious which of these lots or

4141
02:33:28,360 --> 02:33:31,200
the CCNRs is going to indemnify everyone

4142
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:33,440
down the road should uh there's an

4143
02:33:33,440 --> 02:33:35,360
equestrian trail come

4144
02:33:35,360 --> 02:33:36,240
>> Mhm.

4145
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:38,400
>> on right next to it. Someone falls into

4146
02:33:38,400 --> 02:33:40,880
the permit into the pit, gets hurt.

4147
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:43,320
Who's Who's Who's legally liable for

4148
02:33:43,320 --> 02:33:46,040
that? So, I don't think we've addressed

4149
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:47,960
all the issues with this.

4150
02:33:47,960 --> 02:33:49,720
Um so, I would encourage you to take a

4151
02:33:49,720 --> 02:33:51,200
look at some of my notes of what I've

4152
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:55,000
requested. Um I'm would also request if

4153
02:33:55,000 --> 02:33:57,040
you guys even know where this is located

4154
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:58,480
on the property

4155
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:02,320
because it traps quite a bit of debris.

4156
02:34:02,320 --> 02:34:05,160
Um for years it was never cleaned. Uh

4157
02:34:05,160 --> 02:34:06,800
half the time when it Well, couple of

4158
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:08,760
times it was cleaned, all they did was

4159
02:34:08,760 --> 02:34:10,400
take the debris out and put it on my

4160
02:34:10,400 --> 02:34:13,080
property rather than haul it away.

4161
02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:15,520
Um which I really don't want it there.

4162
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:17,320
I've been maintaining it myself most of

4163
02:34:17,320 --> 02:34:18,800
the time, which it wasn't my

4164
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:20,720
responsibility.

4165
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:23,200
Um so, there's there's no way to access

4166
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:26,360
it in this plan. They said they've got a

4167
02:34:26,360 --> 02:34:27,800
I went to the town and they said they've

4168
02:34:27,800 --> 02:34:31,080
got an easement, uh 20-ft easement down

4169
02:34:31,080 --> 02:34:32,840
their side of the property.

4170
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:34,760
Uh that has quite a steep embankment to

4171
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:36,680
it. It's got trees all over it. I don't

4172
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:38,200
know how you're going to get a truck in

4173
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:40,360
to haul debris away and everything else

4174
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:42,240
cuz there's not a wheelbarrow full. It's

4175
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:44,200
a lot more than that.

4176
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:46,840
So, um they've made no allowance in

4177
02:34:46,840 --> 02:34:49,680
their design to access this. Currently,

4178
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:51,680
since it was a 7-acre parcel, they have

4179
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:53,320
a gate right next to it and have easy

4180
02:34:53,320 --> 02:34:55,880
access through one of the lots, but do

4181
02:34:55,880 --> 02:34:57,640
you even see where this is on the

4182
02:34:57,640 --> 02:34:58,640
development plan?

4183
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,720
>> I I would actually If we could Can we

4184
02:35:00,720 --> 02:35:03,200
pull up that plate, man?

4185
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,550
The

4186
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:07,400
» Cuz I think it should be, you know,

4187
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:09,200
outlined as part of the development

4188
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:25,190
where it is.

4189
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:28,520
» So this is this is the final map.

4190
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:29,920
The

4191
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:32,560
drainage improvements uh Mr. Dr. Hoffman

4192
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:34,600
is is referring to is on his property so

4193
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:38,320
it's it's on just north of the property.

4194
02:35:38,320 --> 02:35:39,800
And that's where the encroachment permit

4195
02:35:39,800 --> 02:35:41,680
is because there is an equestrian trail

4196
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,000
easement there.

4197
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:45,360
And so the improvements are there. This

4198
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:46,760
includes

4199
02:35:46,760 --> 02:35:48,880
a a utility and drainage easement that

4200
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:50,880
can be accessed from the roadway as well

4201
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:54,840
as from one of the adjacent properties.

4202
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:59,520
CCNRs include the encroachment permit by

4203
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:01,920
reference as as an attachment and it

4204
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:04,720
requires that the HOA maintain this so

4205
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:06,960
that anybody who purchases the property

4206
02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:09,560
from the current owner will have to

4207
02:36:09,560 --> 02:36:11,640
ensure that that

4208
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:14,120
drainage facility is maintained pursuant

4209
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:15,120
to that encroachment permit.

4210
02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,720
>> But it doesn't say carry away the

4211
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:20,150
debris.

4212
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:22,080
It just says we're going to clean it and

4213
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:24,040
cleaning it is

4214
02:36:24,040 --> 02:36:27,390
not very well defined.

4215
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:29,400
» Well it'll have to

4216
02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:32,000
keep the the interest so this is the

4217
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:36,240
part in which the CCNRs reference the

4218
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:38,760
encroachment permit. So the way the the

4219
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:40,280
encroachment permit has always been

4220
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:42,280
enforced and will continue to be

4221
02:36:42,280 --> 02:36:43,680
enforced.

4222
02:36:43,680 --> 02:36:45,640
I mean it is attached to this as exhibit

4223
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:47,960
D to the CCNRs.

4224
02:36:47,960 --> 02:36:52,310
>> And the indemnification?

4225
02:36:52,320 --> 02:36:56,430
» I'll speak to that.

4226
02:36:56,440 --> 02:37:00,440
» Yeah the CC the CCNRs apply to the

4227
02:37:00,440 --> 02:37:02,760
original developer and then when they

4228
02:37:02,760 --> 02:37:05,280
are sold they these um

4229
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:07,680
obligations transfer to the owners who

4230
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:10,200
will then be subject to these CCNRs. So

4231
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:11,640
that's who we're talking about when

4232
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:14,800
we're talking about indemnification.

4233
02:37:14,800 --> 02:37:17,040
>> So, is this a definitional definitional

4234
02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:19,440
issue to you in terms of caretaking it

4235
02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:21,160
versus hauling it away? Is that

4236
02:37:21,160 --> 02:37:22,400
>> I I want to know that it's going to be

4237
02:37:22,400 --> 02:37:24,160
taken care of. I mean, originally I

4238
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:26,000
didn't want it on my land to begin with

4239
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,680
since they had 7 acres and I don't have

4240
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:30,320
7 acres and why they had to put it on me

4241
02:37:30,320 --> 02:37:33,360
was beyond me. And now that I wouldn't

4242
02:37:33,360 --> 02:37:35,280
have to be here if we had done it

4243
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:38,440
correctly originally. But, my goal is

4244
02:37:38,440 --> 02:37:39,760
how are they going to get to it and

4245
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:42,480
access it? There is no access in the

4246
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:43,760
map.

4247
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:47,320
None. You say what? 20 ft down the side?

4248
02:37:47,320 --> 02:37:49,080
>> The equestrian easement, right? So,

4249
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:51,040
>> What what easement are we talking about

4250
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:52,560
that we're going to access it through?

4251
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:54,120
>> There's an equestrian easement on the

4252
02:37:54,120 --> 02:37:56,320
eucalyptus properties. There's also a a

4253
02:37:56,320 --> 02:37:58,120
drainage easement that runs along the

4254
02:37:58,120 --> 02:38:00,040
properties here on the store side.

4255
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:02,600
>> Right. And there's trees all over them.

4256
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:04,120
So, you're going to get a truck you're

4257
02:38:04,120 --> 02:38:05,000
going to cut down all the

4258
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:08,320
>> also access it through the properties

4259
02:38:08,320 --> 02:38:10,480
themselves.

4260
02:38:10,480 --> 02:38:12,480
So, in this example, whoever buys lot

4261
02:38:12,480 --> 02:38:14,720
five would have these responsibilities

4262
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:17,200
attached to lot five.

4263
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:18,480
Yes. Okay.

4264
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:21,480
>> Do we get that in somewhere that there's

4265
02:38:21,480 --> 02:38:24,960
going to be access through lot five?

4266
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:28,590
>> How does that work?

4267
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:32,640
Or it is what it it is what it is. The property owner simply has to abide

4268
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:33,920
by those issues.

4269
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:34,640
>> That's it.

4270
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:35,520
>> out how to do it.

4271
02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:37,120
>> Yes, the the language which you saw on

4272
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:39,840
the screen before said um had the word

4273
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:41,440
clear.

4274
02:38:41,440 --> 02:38:42,960
I'm sorry, there we go.

4275
02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:46,280
>> Right, but does lot five know there they got this they got trucks are

4276
02:38:46,280 --> 02:38:47,840
going to drive through there they're

4277
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:48,800
going to have a driveway through the

4278
02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:53,710
middle of their lot?

4279
02:38:53,720 --> 02:38:55,920
» So, remind me, we're not at a place

4280
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:57,640
where we're talking about

4281
02:38:57,640 --> 02:38:59,200
building any properties and having

4282
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:01,040
things approved, but in that process

4283
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:02,680
would that be coming up in terms of

4284
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,640
access to an approval

4285
02:39:05,640 --> 02:39:10,560
of a building permit on this issue?

4286
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:12,520
Isn't that when it would be coming up?

4287
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:13,520
Not at

4288
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:24,790
lot line moment?

4289
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:26,160
» So the planning director is advising me

4290
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:27,480
that when any homes are to be built

4291
02:39:27,480 --> 02:39:28,760
there, they would need to come back in

4292
02:39:28,760 --> 02:39:30,480
and go through a public hearing process

4293
02:39:30,480 --> 02:39:33,680
in regard to those. So we will note this

4294
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:34,240
um

4295
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:35,520
so that that can be addressed at the

4296
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:37,720
time. I do think it's covered here. It

4297
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:39,480
doesn't say specifically where you're

4298
02:39:39,480 --> 02:39:41,440
going to drive to get there, but it does

4299
02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:45,160
obligate the homeowners association uh

4300
02:39:45,160 --> 02:39:47,520
to to keep that clear and preserve that

4301
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:48,400
area.

4302
02:39:48,400 --> 02:39:48,920
>> Okay.

4303
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:50,240
>> But we would can address it again when

4304
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:51,760
they bring forward their

4305
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:52,680
um

4306
02:39:52,680 --> 02:39:54,720
applications to build homes.

4307
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:56,720
>> Okay. I think that's the answer. At

4308
02:39:56,720 --> 02:39:57,840
least that's a

4309
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:00,280
>> So [snorts] I need to come back at

4310
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:03,280
when they wanted to do that lot and do

4311
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:04,760
could do this all over again?

4312
02:40:04,760 --> 02:40:06,440
>> Well, it should be part of the process

4313
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:06,840
at this point.

4314
02:40:06,840 --> 02:40:08,640
>> This is just it

4315
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:10,120
>> The current owners are required to

4316
02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:11,560
maintain it. The future owners are

4317
02:40:11,560 --> 02:40:13,400
required to maintain it in the exact

4318
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:15,960
same fashion. Accessing it from this

4319
02:40:15,960 --> 02:40:17,280
property,

4320
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:18,960
um the homeowners association will work

4321
02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:20,360
out how they access that. It's their

4322
02:40:20,360 --> 02:40:22,800
responsibility to make sure that it's

4323
02:40:22,800 --> 02:40:24,600
maintained free and clear per the

4324
02:40:24,600 --> 02:40:27,040
original encroachment permit.

4325
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:29,320
>> Okay, cuz this is

4326
02:40:29,320 --> 02:40:31,840
the equestrian easement that we're going

4327
02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:33,920
to take a truck up on the eucalyptus

4328
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:35,800
properties. And I don't see how you're

4329
02:40:35,800 --> 02:40:37,480
getting it through those eucalyptus

4330
02:40:37,480 --> 02:40:38,560
trees.

4331
02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:44,400
So using that as our backup doesn't make much sense.

4332
02:40:44,400 --> 02:40:45,120
So.

4333
02:40:45,120 --> 02:40:45,880
>> All right, thank you.

4334
02:40:45,880 --> 02:40:46,480
>> for your time.

4335
02:40:46,480 --> 02:40:48,200
>> Thank you for bringing it to everyone's

4336
02:40:48,200 --> 02:40:51,710
attention.

4337
02:40:51,720 --> 02:40:54,640
Ms. Putnam, this is a public hearing and

4338
02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:56,320
I should be able to you have as much

4339
02:40:56,320 --> 02:40:58,520
time as you want to speak to any of

4340
02:40:58,520 --> 02:41:02,390
these issues.

4341
02:41:02,400 --> 02:41:05,040
» Thank you. I actually don't have all

4342
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:07,360
that much to say, but um

4343
02:41:07,360 --> 02:41:09,480
I've been at this for 5 and 1/2 years,

4344
02:41:09,480 --> 02:41:11,200
and I just really

4345
02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:13,200
I'm I'm only talking about my project,

4346
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:14,960
nothing else tonight, but I just want to

4347
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:17,520
say how grateful I am.

4348
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:19,880
I've been working with Sarah for and

4349
02:41:19,880 --> 02:41:21,920
she's been wonderful. She's just been

4350
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:25,080
wonderful, and so has Sage and Cindy and

4351
02:41:25,080 --> 02:41:26,360
Jason

4352
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:28,480
and Julie. Everybody I've worked with

4353
02:41:28,480 --> 02:41:30,000
has just been

4354
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,920
top-notch.

4355
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:33,320
I think they're here because they love

4356
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:35,040
the town, and I think you're here

4357
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:36,800
because you love the town.

4358
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:38,480
And I just want to thank my dad was on

4359
02:41:38,480 --> 02:41:39,960
town I've

4360
02:41:39,960 --> 02:41:42,560
lived in Woodside off and on since 1971

4361
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:44,920
for 55 years, and I know Steve has me

4362
02:41:44,920 --> 02:41:45,920
beat,

4363
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:48,910
but um

4364
02:41:48,920 --> 02:41:50,720
we have deep roots in this town. We love

4365
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:53,080
this town, and I know you guys are

4366
02:41:53,080 --> 02:41:54,280
serving

4367
02:41:54,280 --> 02:41:56,680
because of your deep love, and I just I

4368
02:41:56,680 --> 02:41:58,680
just want to recognize that, and I I

4369
02:41:58,680 --> 02:42:01,240
appreciate Ken's comments, and I'd like

4370
02:42:01,240 --> 02:42:02,400
to work with him. I've talked to his

4371
02:42:02,400 --> 02:42:05,480
wife Laura a little bit cuz I have some

4372
02:42:05,480 --> 02:42:07,560
ideas cuz I'm

4373
02:42:07,560 --> 02:42:09,480
very very passionate about soil, and I

4374
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:11,040
think um

4375
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:12,757
we could get some ground cover,

4376
02:42:12,757 --> 02:42:12,840
>> [clears throat]

4377
02:42:12,840 --> 02:42:14,880
>> excuse me, and we could do a lot so

4378
02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:17,200
there's not so much um water that's

4379
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:19,360
being lost cuz that's you want to slow

4380
02:42:19,360 --> 02:42:20,600
it, sink it.

4381
02:42:20,600 --> 02:42:22,040
You know, you you you you don't want

4382
02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:23,760
water going away. You actually want

4383
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:25,560
water percolating down into the ground,

4384
02:42:25,560 --> 02:42:27,560
and I think um if Ken was open to it,

4385
02:42:27,560 --> 02:42:29,520
I'd be more than happy to work with him

4386
02:42:29,520 --> 02:42:31,600
on that and maybe get in some

4387
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:33,880
California natives planted um

4388
02:42:33,880 --> 02:42:35,280
so we can get that water where it

4389
02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:37,840
belongs, which is in the ground. So,

4390
02:42:37,840 --> 02:42:39,560
that's really all I have to say. I I

4391
02:42:39,560 --> 02:42:41,320
just really want to thank the town and

4392
02:42:41,320 --> 02:42:43,760
thank the staff for um all the help that

4393
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:45,760
they've shown me for the last 5 and 1/2

4394
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:47,920
years. Thank you very much.

4395
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:50,990
>> Thank you, Lisa.

4396
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:52,840
Any other uh public comments on this

4397
02:42:52,840 --> 02:42:55,910
matter?

4398
02:42:55,920 --> 02:42:57,800
Hearing none, we will close public

4399
02:42:57,800 --> 02:42:59,880
comment and go to any further

4400
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:06,350
deliberation from any council member.

4401
02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:09,480
» Um so I'm very supportive of the of the

4402
02:43:09,480 --> 02:43:10,960
item. I want I just want to make sure it

4403
02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:15,960
sounds like from what I hear, Lisa and Ken, you guys are aligned, but it

4404
02:43:15,960 --> 02:43:17,160
sounds like Ken, maybe you want some

4405
02:43:17,160 --> 02:43:19,720
just additional language or

4406
02:43:19,720 --> 02:43:23,400
clarification to feel confident that the

4407
02:43:23,400 --> 02:43:25,040
encroachment easement will be maintained

4408
02:43:25,040 --> 02:43:26,120
in the same way or sorry, the

4409
02:43:26,120 --> 02:43:27,480
encroachment permit would be maintained

4410
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:28,600
in the same way.

4411
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:30,160
>> better than it has,

4412
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:30,720
um

4413
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:32,880
but that they have access.

4414
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:33,200
>> Mhm.

4415
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:34,800
>> And I just don't see where the access is

4416
02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:36,240
coming from.

4417
02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:37,080
>> Mhm.

4418
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:39,680
>> And the indemnification, um

4419
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:41,920
again, I don't see that I mean maybe

4420
02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:43,160
it's just where you have it written and

4421
02:43:43,160 --> 02:43:44,920
like I'm not an attorney as everyone

4422
02:43:44,920 --> 02:43:47,080
else here is. Um

4423
02:43:47,080 --> 02:43:49,720
uh but uh it just

4424
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:51,920
the indemnification and the access.

4425
02:43:51,920 --> 02:43:53,040
>> So access, okay.

4426
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:55,520
>> Yeah, and I just don't see with this map

4427
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:56,920
and I brought it up when they did the

4428
02:43:56,920 --> 02:43:58,920
preliminary map.

4429
02:43:58,920 --> 02:44:00,720
Uh was kind of told to go sit down at

4430
02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:04,120
that point. Um that I don't see where

4431
02:44:04,120 --> 02:44:05,000
the access is.

4432
02:44:05,000 --> 02:44:06,760
>> Okay, maybe we can take both both

4433
02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:07,960
questions.

4434
02:44:07,960 --> 02:44:09,440
Yeah, so let's talk about the access. So

4435
02:44:09,440 --> 02:44:11,240
what I heard is

4436
02:44:11,240 --> 02:44:14,240
um that the HOA would determine access.

4437
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:17,550
Is that right?

4438
02:44:17,560 --> 02:44:18,440
» That's correct. It's their

4439
02:44:18,440 --> 02:44:20,680
responsibility to maintain it for this

4440
02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:22,600
encroachment permit. And the reason it's

4441
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:24,320
an encroachment permit is because it is

4442
02:44:24,320 --> 02:44:27,760
encroaching on the town's um

4443
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:29,400
trail easement.

4444
02:44:29,400 --> 02:44:31,800
Uh and so that's why it has to be an

4445
02:44:31,800 --> 02:44:35,080
encroachment permit. So that that access

4446
02:44:35,080 --> 02:44:37,120
whether you you jump off

4447
02:44:37,120 --> 02:44:40,520
>> Wait, okay, so a couple questions. So um

4448
02:44:40,520 --> 02:44:42,400
would the So I'm envisioning like this

4449
02:44:42,400 --> 02:44:44,960
is what is it? Seven lots? There's

4450
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:46,880
seven future homes. Those home property

4451
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:49,200
owners would make up the HOA. Those

4452
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:51,200
property owners get to come together and

4453
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:53,960
say we're going to access this

4454
02:44:53,960 --> 02:44:55,680
in this way. So is that are you saying

4455
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:57,920
that access is fully up to the

4456
02:44:57,920 --> 02:45:00,000
individual property owners of the HOA?

4457
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,800
>> Yeah, it's it's just as it is today. You

4458
02:45:01,800 --> 02:45:03,720
know, there's a group of property owners

4459
02:45:03,720 --> 02:45:05,400
and they have to get together and make

4460
02:45:05,400 --> 02:45:07,400
sure they access that area for the

4461
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:08,240
encroachment permit.

4462
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:10,240
>> What is the access today? How do they

4463
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:11,520
access it today?

4464
02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:15,750
>> I'll speak to that.

4465
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:18,480
» Yeah, right now since it is under

4466
02:45:18,480 --> 02:45:20,120
well, it's not technically under one

4467
02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:22,400
ownership, but we've always accessed it

4468
02:45:22,400 --> 02:45:25,920
what would be lot five right now. Um and

4469
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:28,280
I will say I mean I think

4470
02:45:28,280 --> 02:45:29,720
I didn't know that we were supposed to

4471
02:45:29,720 --> 02:45:31,560
be maintaining this till recently and

4472
02:45:31,560 --> 02:45:32,880
then after I found out we're supposed to

4473
02:45:32,880 --> 02:45:35,840
be my my parents agreed to this maybe 30

4474
02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:38,520
years ago or something.

4475
02:45:38,520 --> 02:45:39,640
Yeah, I don't know how old the

4476
02:45:39,640 --> 02:45:41,280
encroachment permit. I think it's about

4477
02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:43,360
30 years ago is when they came to an

4478
02:45:43,360 --> 02:45:46,400
agreement on the drainage. And at the

4479
02:45:46,400 --> 02:45:48,320
time my parents agreed and Ken agreed

4480
02:45:48,320 --> 02:45:52,680
and and now that's part of the

4481
02:45:52,680 --> 02:45:55,480
That's now part of our restrictive

4482
02:45:55,480 --> 02:45:56,280
covenant.

4483
02:45:56,280 --> 02:45:56,880
>> sense.

4484
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:59,760
>> Um so it it was he's right. It was

4485
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,480
easier when it's all under basically one

4486
02:46:01,480 --> 02:46:05,320
ownership, but you guys are also right that then

4487
02:46:05,320 --> 02:46:06,800
the new homeowners will at some point

4488
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:08,440
then have to get together and say okay,

4489
02:46:08,440 --> 02:46:09,440
lot five we're going to have to go

4490
02:46:09,440 --> 02:46:10,760
through, you know, we're going to have

4491
02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:12,560
to go through your lot to get to the

4492
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:14,520
It's a

4493
02:46:14,520 --> 02:46:18,520
20-ft easement right behind it. Um

4494
02:46:18,520 --> 02:46:20,120
I mean you could you would have to take

4495
02:46:20,120 --> 02:46:23,240
down those um eucalyptus trees if you're

4496
02:46:23,240 --> 02:46:24,800
going to try to get a truck going up the

4497
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:27,120
easement. So it would be easier to get

4498
02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:29,520
it to it through lot five.

4499
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:31,600
>> So we kind of know how access needs to

4500
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:33,080
happen. Sounds like we're going to

4501
02:46:33,080 --> 02:46:34,640
there's going to be a home built on lot

4502
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:38,080
five and that

4503
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:39,680
Jump in if I'm saying anything wrong.

4504
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:41,160
That building permit will need to

4505
02:46:41,160 --> 02:46:45,480
account for the fact that the the home built on that lot will need to

4506
02:46:45,480 --> 02:46:48,400
provide for access to this encroachment

4507
02:46:48,400 --> 02:46:50,320
easement.

4508
02:46:50,320 --> 02:46:52,000
>> Yes,

4509
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:55,200
there there's setbacks required for the

4510
02:46:55,200 --> 02:46:56,600
buildings as well that will provide

4511
02:46:56,600 --> 02:46:58,800
other open areas.

4512
02:46:58,800 --> 02:47:00,440
>> Is there a way would there be a way to

4513
02:47:00,440 --> 02:47:02,480
make a more affirmative statement in

4514
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:05,840
these documents that the HOA will

4515
02:47:05,840 --> 02:47:12,160
determine access through lot five um

4516
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:13,440
and even maybe in a way that's

4517
02:47:13,440 --> 02:47:16,520
acceptable to the westernmost property. I'm just

4518
02:47:16,520 --> 02:47:17,280
trying to figure I'm just trying to

4519
02:47:17,280 --> 02:47:20,470
bridge the gap here.

4520
02:47:20,480 --> 02:47:22,160
So

4521
02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:24,920
>> I think you can um make some suggestions

4522
02:47:24,920 --> 02:47:26,600
for changes in CC&Rs but I think the

4523
02:47:26,600 --> 02:47:28,320
more practical way to do it is just for

4524
02:47:28,320 --> 02:47:30,840
us to note that whenever development for

4525
02:47:30,840 --> 02:47:32,520
lot five comes in that this is an issue

4526
02:47:32,520 --> 02:47:34,360
that must be addressed and they're going

4527
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:36,120
to have to provide access unless they

4528
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:38,560
can show that there's there's um

4529
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:41,360
alternate access.

4530
02:47:41,360 --> 02:47:42,520
>> That that does seem really practical.

4531
02:47:42,520 --> 02:47:44,080
Would you say that we would

4532
02:47:44,080 --> 02:47:46,920
address that here? Like put language in

4533
02:47:46,920 --> 02:47:48,880
into um

4534
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:50,600
what we're looking at tonight or would

4535
02:47:50,600 --> 02:47:52,680
we put that into like the HOA like the

4536
02:47:52,680 --> 02:47:54,400
CC&Rs a good but

4537
02:47:54,400 --> 02:47:55,240
how would you suggest we

4538
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:58,080
>> I think what you could do is you could approve the map tonight which

4539
02:47:58,080 --> 02:48:00,000
is really a ministerial act and then you

4540
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:02,640
could give direction to staff that that

4541
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,520
is to be addressed when um lot five

4542
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:07,360
comes in.

4543
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:09,400
>> But also just to be clear that the CC&Rs

4544
02:48:09,400 --> 02:48:11,000
are also what need to be adopted tonight

4545
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:12,040
as well.

4546
02:48:12,040 --> 02:48:13,440
>> And so the what you have before you is

4547
02:48:13,440 --> 02:48:15,320
the language for the CC&Rs so that's

4548
02:48:15,320 --> 02:48:17,720
item number three and then exhibit D

4549
02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:20,120
includes the entire encroachment permit

4550
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:22,640
along with

4551
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:24,160
So you have this entire encroachment

4552
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:26,520
permit that's in place today and that is

4553
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:29,720
tied to this CC&Rs

4554
02:48:29,720 --> 02:48:31,080
um specifically referenced from that

4555
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:32,960
item number three. To make any

4556
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:34,480
modifications you want to make that in

4557
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:37,230
item three.

4558
02:48:37,240 --> 02:48:38,960
» Can if I may would would direction to

4559
02:48:38,960 --> 02:48:43,040
staff to address access

4560
02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:43,920
um

4561
02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:46,480
when development for lot five occurs,

4562
02:48:46,480 --> 02:48:49,520
would that ease your mind on this topic?

4563
02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:50,480
>> Not a great deal.

4564
02:48:50,480 --> 02:48:51,440
>> There you go.

4565
02:48:51,440 --> 02:48:53,240
>> To be honest with you.

4566
02:48:53,240 --> 02:48:55,880
Because again, I've I I was not in

4567
02:48:55,880 --> 02:48:57,880
agreement with your dad on putting it on

4568
02:48:57,880 --> 02:48:59,720
my land. In fact, they went to put it on

4569
02:48:59,720 --> 02:49:02,080
and they didn't even realize realize

4570
02:49:02,080 --> 02:49:04,000
they needed cuz it's a scenic corridor

4571
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:05,360
that they needed

4572
02:49:05,360 --> 02:49:07,120
a ruling from you guys to do it. I had

4573
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:09,360
to bring that up to try to stop it.

4574
02:49:09,360 --> 02:49:11,120
But I couldn't stop it

4575
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:14,080
because for whatever reasons it ended up

4576
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:15,400
there.

4577
02:49:15,400 --> 02:49:18,400
Um so again, I don't want to have to

4578
02:49:18,400 --> 02:49:21,080
keep an eye on what comes in my mail a

4579
02:49:21,080 --> 02:49:24,200
week before someone votes on something

4580
02:49:24,200 --> 02:49:27,200
to make sure that this is in there when

4581
02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:30,280
they do the lot. Otherwise, it it's

4582
02:49:30,280 --> 02:49:31,320
I mean

4583
02:49:31,320 --> 02:49:33,120
it's a huge drain pipe, but who knows

4584
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:35,320
what goes in there and what clogs it. So

4585
02:49:35,320 --> 02:49:36,520
I mean, Benji may even have to bring a

4586
02:49:36,520 --> 02:49:38,120
pumper truck in it to clear out that

4587
02:49:38,120 --> 02:49:40,760
whole thing. And that if that backs up

4588
02:49:40,760 --> 02:49:42,520
then all the drain system that's been

4589
02:49:42,520 --> 02:49:46,240
put on Cañada Road is is worthless.

4590
02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:47,680
Because that's the that's the freeway

4591
02:49:47,680 --> 02:49:51,240
drainage is coming off of that. It's not my water. It's the freeway

4592
02:49:51,240 --> 02:49:52,640
drainage.

4593
02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,480
So.

4594
02:49:54,480 --> 02:49:56,760
Thank you.

4595
02:49:56,760 --> 02:49:57,840
>> So I think we were going to address the

4596
02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:00,440
indemnification as well.

4597
02:50:00,440 --> 02:50:01,440
Um

4598
02:50:01,440 --> 02:50:03,640
So what I'm hearing from um from Ken is

4599
02:50:03,640 --> 02:50:04,920
that uh

4600
02:50:04,920 --> 02:50:06,360
Is it Is it Is it correct that you're

4601
02:50:06,360 --> 02:50:07,600
just you you feel as though the

4602
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:09,680
indemnifi- indemnification language is

4603
02:50:09,680 --> 02:50:12,240
not strong enough or not clear?

4604
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:13,760
>> I'm not I don't I don't Again, I'm not

4605
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:15,680
an attorney to know that. I mean

4606
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:18,120
you're being identi- indemnified also as

4607
02:50:18,120 --> 02:50:19,280
the town

4608
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:22,200
in the original permit. But I just

4609
02:50:22,200 --> 02:50:23,920
I mean, if

4610
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:27,040
it it's kind of like is the CCRs really

4611
02:50:27,040 --> 02:50:28,800
going to read that deep to know that

4612
02:50:28,800 --> 02:50:31,040
that's what they're buying into

4613
02:50:31,040 --> 02:50:32,120
um when they're buying one of these

4614
02:50:32,120 --> 02:50:34,840
seven lots and that the lot, whatever

4615
02:50:34,840 --> 02:50:36,840
number it was, is going to have a pumper

4616
02:50:36,840 --> 02:50:38,800
truck drive across the middle of their

4617
02:50:38,800 --> 02:50:41,000
backyard and the swimming pool

4618
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:43,920
to get to this drainage

4619
02:50:43,920 --> 02:50:45,000
ditch

4620
02:50:45,000 --> 02:50:47,440
and the catch basin.

4621
02:50:47,440 --> 02:50:48,560
I mean I would encourage you to come out

4622
02:50:48,560 --> 02:50:51,560
and walk it and see how how it's going

4623
02:50:51,560 --> 02:50:53,560
to happen.

4624
02:50:53,560 --> 02:50:56,320
I'm happy to give anybody a tour.

4625
02:50:56,320 --> 02:51:06,670
Just a lot of thorns.

4626
02:51:06,680 --> 02:51:08,200
» Yeah, it's it's hard this is a pretty

4627
02:51:08,200 --> 02:51:10,040
dense agenda item. So it's hard for me

4628
02:51:10,040 --> 02:51:12,080
to make a recommendation on the fly like

4629
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,920
how to properly address the access

4630
02:51:14,920 --> 02:51:17,160
issue. Sounds like it, you know,

4631
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:18,440
valid issue.

4632
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:21,200
Um and to the extent, you know, we need

4633
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:22,960
to highlight indemnification in a

4634
02:51:22,960 --> 02:51:24,360
different way.

4635
02:51:24,360 --> 02:51:25,440
Um

4636
02:51:25,440 --> 02:51:27,480
I don't know if if uh

4637
02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:29,800
staff has any thoughts on how we can

4638
02:51:29,800 --> 02:51:31,160
accomplish that. And I heard the

4639
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:33,160
>> She wanted to look at the language in

4640
02:51:33,160 --> 02:51:35,640
number three and

4641
02:51:35,640 --> 02:51:37,600
require some type of access through lots

4642
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:40,240
four and or five

4643
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:41,840
to provide

4644
02:51:41,840 --> 02:51:43,720
you know.

4645
02:51:43,720 --> 02:51:45,400
>> Can you make you Would you be able to

4646
02:51:45,400 --> 02:51:46,640
make a suggestion on the fly of what

4647
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:48,440
that adjusted language would how it

4648
02:51:48,440 --> 02:51:50,080
would read?

4649
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:51,520
>> The clearing and its successors and

4650
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:54,040
assigns are required to operate clear

4651
02:51:54,040 --> 02:51:56,720
and preserve structural and hydrologic

4652
02:51:56,720 --> 02:52:00,040
hydrological integrity etc. etc.

4653
02:52:00,040 --> 02:52:02,520
Uh but as in accessing uh this area

4654
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:08,550
through lots four or five.

4655
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:15,030
» Ms. Putnam, would that work for you?

4656
02:52:15,040 --> 02:52:17,920
» Yeah, I guess so. I I feel it's a little

4657
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:22,160
bit of a joint problem with Ken and I just asked Ken we can easily

4658
02:52:22,160 --> 02:52:23,840
access through it his lot and he said

4659
02:52:23,840 --> 02:52:26,440
no. So I don't know. I guess I just feel

4660
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:28,040
like maybe there could be a little more

4661
02:52:28,040 --> 02:52:31,950
give and take here.

4662
02:52:31,960 --> 02:52:34,160
» If I could just revisit and try what try

4663
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:35,800
it one more time, that I really think

4664
02:52:35,800 --> 02:52:37,120
this should be looked at when they come

4665
02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:38,960
in to develop the houses because then

4666
02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:45,320
you're going to see where the houses are to be located. Um we can make a note that this this is

4667
02:52:45,320 --> 02:52:46,520
something that has to be addressed at

4668
02:52:46,520 --> 02:52:48,200
that point and they have to demonstrate

4669
02:52:48,200 --> 02:52:50,280
how how uh

4670
02:52:50,280 --> 02:52:51,680
and what responsibility each one of

4671
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:53,240
those lots would have

4672
02:52:53,240 --> 02:52:53,840
um

4673
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:58,990
for addressing number three.

4674
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:00,680
» That feels like the way we have

4675
02:53:00,680 --> 02:53:02,840
historically handled these

4676
02:53:02,840 --> 02:53:04,360
matters, right? I mean, this is not a

4677
02:53:04,360 --> 02:53:06,160
we're not looking at building right now.

4678
02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:08,160
We're looking at

4679
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:10,080
sub a final subdivision, basically.

4680
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:12,320
>> Correct.

4681
02:53:12,320 --> 02:53:15,640
>> So, I think that makes sense as uh

4682
02:53:15,640 --> 02:53:18,880
recommendation with note uh issue

4683
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:20,160
um

4684
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:21,200
So,

4685
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:22,360
that's something I could certainly

4686
02:53:22,360 --> 02:53:23,520
support.

4687
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:24,680
I think I I think it's the right thing

4688
02:53:24,680 --> 02:53:27,870
to do.

4689
02:53:27,880 --> 02:53:28,640
Anyone [clears throat] else have any

4690
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:31,360
thoughts on this?

4691
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:33,400
>> I I I would support the the language

4692
02:53:33,400 --> 02:53:36,240
adjustment that Gene just suggested. Um

4693
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:38,120
I may think

4694
02:53:38,120 --> 02:53:40,440
I mean, what I heard is that regardless,

4695
02:53:40,440 --> 02:53:42,360
like with there's building on lots four

4696
02:53:42,360 --> 02:53:43,200
and five, they're going to have to

4697
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:44,520
address this, but I don't see any harm

4698
02:53:44,520 --> 02:53:47,520
in in stating that up front here.

4699
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:53,400
Um so, I I would support that additional language.

4700
02:53:53,400 --> 02:53:55,000
>> Just for clarity, the note that this

4701
02:53:55,000 --> 02:53:58,040
will be dealt with at the time of uh

4702
02:53:58,040 --> 02:54:00,160
plat five building the permit.

4703
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:02,600
>> Exactly, like the language adjustments

4704
02:54:02,600 --> 02:54:04,280
that that Gene articulated.

4705
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:04,880
>> Yeah.

4706
02:54:04,880 --> 02:54:06,200
>> She's indicating that we would add that

4707
02:54:06,200 --> 02:54:07,800
they would be accessed through lots four

4708
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:09,680
or five.

4709
02:54:09,680 --> 02:54:14,790
To condition number three.

4710
02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:16,800
» Four or five.

4711
02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:18,360
>> I think that's what we've

4712
02:54:18,360 --> 02:54:20,360
>> Those are the closest lot.

4713
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:23,735
Four is not very close.

4714
02:54:23,745 --> 02:54:23,760
» [clears throat]

4715
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:35,150
>> So, it's really five.

4716
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:36,600
» Any other

4717
02:54:36,600 --> 02:54:38,080
Anyone want to weigh in on this at all

4718
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:39,520
or

4719
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:39,880
No?

4720
02:54:39,880 --> 02:54:40,280
>> Nope.

4721
02:54:40,280 --> 02:54:41,520
>> No.

4722
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:45,760
>> I personally feel like I agree with uh

4723
02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:47,880
Dean's comments. Um I I feel like it

4724
02:54:47,880 --> 02:54:49,520
makes more sense to address this more

4725
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:52,000
specifically and more in detail when

4726
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:53,920
we're actually looking at building plan

4727
02:54:53,920 --> 02:54:54,720
a building plan.

4728
02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:55,280
>> Yeah.

4729
02:54:55,280 --> 02:54:57,360
>> And so I would propose

4730
02:54:57,360 --> 02:54:59,520
unfortunately just accepting

4731
02:54:59,520 --> 02:55:01,040
the language as as recommended

4732
02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:04,390
currently.

4733
02:55:04,400 --> 02:55:05,400
» Okay.

4734
02:55:05,400 --> 02:55:08,800
I'm there as well with with the caveat

4735
02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:10,960
of a note. Uh you know, this is a big

4736
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:13,160
highlight and I I again I I sympathize

4737
02:55:13,160 --> 02:55:14,800
with Ken's comment a minute ago finding

4738
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:16,560
out a week ahead of time or something.

4739
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:18,800
So again, engagement with the neighbors

4740
02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:20,960
is really important, of course.

4741
02:55:20,960 --> 02:55:24,040
I think we all know that, but um

4742
02:55:24,040 --> 02:55:27,790
just to drive it home.

4743
02:55:27,800 --> 02:55:30,400
» Yeah, I'll second.

4744
02:55:30,400 --> 02:55:32,520
If you If your first was was your first

4745
02:55:32,520 --> 02:55:35,160
acceptance of the of the language

4746
02:55:35,160 --> 02:55:38,520
with a uh with with a note to

4747
02:55:38,520 --> 02:55:41,470
really

4748
02:55:41,480 --> 02:55:43,840
emphasize the this in the building

4749
02:55:43,840 --> 02:55:45,800
>> Or just would be directed that to to

4750
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:47,960
make sure that when they come in on four

4751
02:55:47,960 --> 02:55:50,240
and or five that we're looking at and

4752
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:52,560
making sure that there is access uh to

4753
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:54,120
that area for maintenance of drainage

4754
02:55:54,120 --> 02:56:00,350
improvements.

4755
02:56:00,360 --> 02:56:01,520
» I'll move.

4756
02:56:01,520 --> 02:56:03,240
>> Second.

4757
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:04,640
>> Council member Obritsch?

4758
02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:05,040
>> Yes.

4759
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:05,960
>> Council member Brown?

4760
02:56:05,960 --> 02:56:06,560
>> Yes.

4761
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:08,400
>> Council member Golden? Council member

4762
02:56:08,400 --> 02:56:09,320
Wall?

4763
02:56:09,320 --> 02:56:14,190
Mayor Domgowski?

4764
02:56:14,200 --> 02:56:14,960
» Okay.

4765
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:16,080
Thank you. And then I'll just note that

4766
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:17,280
we're going to put it in our permit

4767
02:56:17,280 --> 02:56:20,280
tracking system and in our address files

4768
02:56:20,280 --> 02:56:21,600
and we'll make sure there's some

4769
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:23,400
redundant notes in different places.

4770
02:56:23,400 --> 02:56:25,240
>> Thank you.

4771
02:56:25,240 --> 02:56:29,470
Ken. Thank you, Lisa.

4772
02:56:29,480 --> 02:56:32,000
Uh we got one sort of last formal issue,

4773
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:35,200
uh new business item D, a resolution on

4774
02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:36,800
road maintenance and safety improvement

4775
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:38,400
work. And Luis, I'm handing this off to

4776
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:39,720
you.

4777
02:56:39,720 --> 02:56:41,280
>> Honorable mayor and town council

4778
02:56:41,280 --> 02:56:43,160
members, um with the interest in time,

4779
02:56:43,160 --> 02:56:45,400
I'll make a super short summary. This

4780
02:56:45,400 --> 02:56:47,760
item is uh basically a continuation of

4781
02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:49,240
what we discussed during budget for the

4782
02:56:49,240 --> 02:56:52,000
upper Olahhanja Road safety project. Um

4783
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:53,600
there are multiple items here for you to

4784
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:54,800
consider.

4785
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:56,440
Um these are all the items we discussed

4786
02:56:56,440 --> 02:57:01,920
during the budget season. Um the first item is the amendment to um

4787
02:57:01,920 --> 02:57:04,440
Fairlawn Company and it's for them to

4788
02:57:04,440 --> 02:57:06,960
clean up the uh the upper section,

4789
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:09,040
remove vegetation, put in guardrails,

4790
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:10,760
and just improve safety in general, and

4791
02:57:10,760 --> 02:57:12,760
get us ready for the winter season. The

4792
02:57:12,760 --> 02:57:15,760
second item is a annual um cleaning

4793
02:57:15,760 --> 02:57:18,680
agreement that is for 3 years uh with

4794
02:57:18,680 --> 02:57:20,800
Fairlawn and having them come back and

4795
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:22,880
doing annual maintenance on the upper

4796
02:57:22,880 --> 02:57:25,560
section. And the last item is the last

4797
02:57:25,560 --> 02:57:28,400
action is with uh BKF Engineers, and

4798
02:57:28,400 --> 02:57:31,120
this is for them to uh study uh a

4799
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:33,080
permanent solution, um

4800
02:57:33,080 --> 02:57:35,880
and looking at um the possibility of uh

4801
02:57:35,880 --> 02:57:37,760
widening the road, and also looking for

4802
02:57:37,760 --> 02:57:40,240
grant opportunity. Now, there's only one

4803
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:42,400
item is not mentioned in this is the

4804
02:57:42,400 --> 02:57:44,080
purchase of the temporary traffic

4805
02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:46,200
signal. I'm in the process of doing a

4806
02:57:46,200 --> 02:57:47,720
selection right now, and I will bring

4807
02:57:47,720 --> 02:57:50,080
that item to you in September. But, we

4808
02:57:50,080 --> 02:57:52,360
do have a updated rate from Fairlawn,

4809
02:57:52,360 --> 02:57:54,840
which is uh substantially reduced, and

4810
02:57:54,840 --> 02:57:57,400
that will allow us to continue using the

4811
02:57:57,400 --> 02:57:59,720
their uh renting their temporary signal

4812
02:57:59,720 --> 02:58:02,080
until the time comes for us to um

4813
02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:04,320
purchase new one and make that um

4814
02:58:04,320 --> 02:58:05,720
transition.

4815
02:58:05,720 --> 02:58:07,800
So, um with that, I'm open to any um

4816
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:09,040
questions.

4817
02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:12,040
>> Thank you, sir. Any questions for Luis?

4818
02:58:12,040 --> 02:58:13,400
>> I have a question, and basically

4819
02:58:13,400 --> 02:58:15,000
comment, um

4820
02:58:15,000 --> 02:58:17,080
Luis, and it's basically more for you,

4821
02:58:17,080 --> 02:58:18,200
Pam.

4822
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:20,520
This is an expensive project.

4823
02:58:20,520 --> 02:58:23,320
Uh it's a project that for what 2 years

4824
02:58:23,320 --> 02:58:24,480
ago

4825
02:58:24,480 --> 02:58:29,960
the whole road was shut down for a lot of reasons, but uh it's been a

4826
02:58:29,960 --> 02:58:32,280
huge problem for the county, not just

4827
02:58:32,280 --> 02:58:33,640
Woodside.

4828
02:58:33,640 --> 02:58:35,680
And this is where we need to go to the

4829
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:38,120
county and say we need a lot of money

4830
02:58:38,120 --> 02:58:40,640
to make this work way it needs to work

4831
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:42,440
cuz we've been sort of paying for it

4832
02:58:42,440 --> 02:58:45,560
ourselves the cheap way we can.

4833
02:58:45,560 --> 02:58:48,640
It's It's beyond us. And so we need to

4834
02:58:48,640 --> 02:58:50,480
get really creative on how we can get

4835
02:58:50,480 --> 02:58:52,040
other people's money

4836
02:58:52,040 --> 02:58:56,590
to do this.

4837
02:58:56,600 --> 02:59:01,310
» Any Any other comments or questions?

4838
02:59:01,320 --> 02:59:03,120
Any member of the public

4839
02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:04,720
that's interested in commenting on item

4840
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:07,000
D?

4841
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:09,240
Seeing none, we'll close public comment.

4842
02:59:09,240 --> 02:59:10,920
Uh any further deliberation from

4843
02:59:10,920 --> 02:59:13,160
council? If not, happy to accept a

4844
02:59:13,160 --> 02:59:14,600
motion.

4845
02:59:14,600 --> 02:59:16,960
>> I'll move to accept item D.

4846
02:59:16,960 --> 02:59:17,880
>> Second.

4847
02:59:17,880 --> 02:59:19,080
>> Councilmember Abernethy?

4848
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:19,400
>> Yes.

4849
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:20,240
>> Councilmember Brown?

4850
02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:20,800
>> Yes.

4851
02:59:20,800 --> 02:59:21,520
>> Councilmember Gold?

4852
02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:21,880
>> Yes.

4853
02:59:21,880 --> 02:59:22,760
>> Councilmember Wong?

4854
02:59:22,760 --> 02:59:23,080
>> Yes.

4855
02:59:23,080 --> 02:59:24,240
>> Mayor Domkowski?

4856
02:59:24,240 --> 02:59:27,350
>> Yes, thank you.

4857
02:59:27,360 --> 02:59:30,560
Any updates on volunteer committees?

4858
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:33,560
None? Okay. Any council communications?

4859
02:59:33,560 --> 02:59:35,520
>> Yeah, I have a couple quick ones. I know

4860
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:37,760
it's late. Um I first wanted to thank

4861
02:59:37,760 --> 02:59:40,960
Lewis and his team. The other day we had

4862
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:44,044
a report of dumping in the Woodside

4863
02:59:44,044 --> 02:59:45,760
[clears throat] Heights. This is a dump

4864
02:59:45,760 --> 02:59:47,760
truck literally dumped a load on the

4865
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:48,920
street

4866
02:59:48,920 --> 02:59:50,960
over overnight.

4867
02:59:50,960 --> 02:59:52,640
And the residents called them in about

4868
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,520
8:00 in the morning.

4869
02:59:54,520 --> 02:59:56,600
And And as soon as I heard about it,

4870
02:59:56,600 --> 02:59:58,880
they they were already alerting Lewis

4871
02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:00,160
and his team and that cleaned up by

4872
03:00:00,160 --> 03:00:02,240
10:00 in the morning. It was amazing how

4873
03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:04,360
fast they reacted to that.

4874
03:00:04,360 --> 03:00:06,120
Um the other thing I want to point out

4875
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:09,320
is that we are using They will be using

4876
03:00:09,320 --> 03:00:12,080
and have already contacted Sheriff Flock

4877
03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:16,000
camera has caught the the license plate

4878
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:17,240
of the truck

4879
03:00:17,240 --> 03:00:18,640
doing the dumping.

4880
03:00:18,640 --> 03:00:19,800
And we're going to be use We're talk to

4881
03:00:19,800 --> 03:00:21,320
the Sheriff. We're going to track that

4882
03:00:21,320 --> 03:00:23,240
truck down through the license through

4883
03:00:23,240 --> 03:00:25,640
the Flock Camera. We already have a name

4884
03:00:25,640 --> 03:00:29,360
from having gone through the materials who who the company is.

4885
03:00:29,360 --> 03:00:30,320
So,

4886
03:00:30,320 --> 03:00:32,520
Flock has been very useful there. And I

4887
03:00:32,520 --> 03:00:34,160
have one more personal comment, too, on

4888
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:35,320
Flock.

4889
03:00:35,320 --> 03:00:37,240
Uh a week ago,

4890
03:00:37,240 --> 03:00:38,280
uh

4891
03:00:38,280 --> 03:00:40,200
we would learn from the Sheriff that

4892
03:00:40,200 --> 03:00:41,760
there was a

4893
03:00:41,760 --> 03:00:46,760
uh a a robbery that had occurred on um

4894
03:00:46,760 --> 03:00:49,080
fairly down on Alameda and Woodside

4895
03:00:49,080 --> 03:00:50,200
Road.

4896
03:00:50,200 --> 03:00:52,360
And they caught them

4897
03:00:52,360 --> 03:00:55,800
right next door to me on Northgate

4898
03:00:55,800 --> 03:00:58,240
because we have a Flock Camera literally

4899
03:00:58,240 --> 03:01:00,680
right outside my my house.

4900
03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:06,470
Um so, two in a row for wins for Flock.

4901
03:01:06,480 --> 03:01:07,680
» Thank you, sir.

4902
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:12,510
Um any other communications?

4903
03:01:12,520 --> 03:01:13,960
We're a little bit remiss in not

4904
03:01:13,960 --> 03:01:16,240
properly welcoming you, Pam.

4905
03:01:16,240 --> 03:01:18,440
This was not the right meeting for a lot

4906
03:01:18,440 --> 03:01:22,120
of glorious accolades and thanks, but um

4907
03:01:22,120 --> 03:01:23,880
I know I speak for everybody when we're

4908
03:01:23,880 --> 03:01:25,600
really impressed and we're very thankful

4909
03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:26,600
for everything you're bringing to the

4910
03:01:26,600 --> 03:01:28,080
role and

4911
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:31,990
I'm sorry this was your first meeting.

4912
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:33,800
Yeah, it's great to have you.

4913
03:01:33,800 --> 03:01:36,320
Uh we actually still will reopen

4914
03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:38,040
communications one last time before

4915
03:01:38,040 --> 03:01:39,120
calling it a night. Are there any

4916
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,240
members in the Zoom room that would like

4917
03:01:41,240 --> 03:01:46,110
to make any additional comments?

4918
03:01:46,120 --> 03:01:48,000
Okay, seeing none, we will close the

4919
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:51,080
meeting at 10:20 on July 28th. Thank you

4920
03:01:51,080 --> 03:01:53,400
all.