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Sure, we're good.

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Okay, we'll call the committee of the whole meeting to order. I'd like to acknowledge

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that we are on the unseated lands of the McMaw, a record of attendance. Lindsay, yes, that.

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No absent with regrets. Declarations of conflict of interest, anyone? You can declare at the

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time of the agenda item.

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Prove of the agenda, additions or deletions, we do have additions

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and they are on the agenda request to present

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in a CC housing and the Crohn's and Colitis Awareness.

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Is there anything else anybody wanted to add or delete?

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Good, okay, a motion to approve the agenda

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with those additions.

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Deputy Mayor, seconded by Council Hatfield.

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All those in favor?

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Contrary.

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So staff report, CAO report, that's in front of us.

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Are there any questions for the CAO?

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Jeff, is there anything you needed to share or you're good?

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Okay, fire department report and the fire chief is here.

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Anything for the chief?

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Go ahead, Deputy.

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I was at the school last week when the fire alarm was pulled

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and I just wanted to give a shout out to our department

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who got there very quickly stayed well after what most would help clean up, put it in their time,

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and it was very much appreciated by the school staff, and I just want to say thank you,

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and I know you've been really busy the last few days of fires around, and I've heard you on

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the radio and other places, so just thanks for the good work you guys are doing.

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Good, anyone else?

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Okay, good. Operational services and chat is here as well.

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anybody has any questions there?

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On that report?

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Go ahead, Councillor there.

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Yes, but I noticed in the report there's a mention of the assessment of the crosswalk,

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particularly at Pleasant and Herbert, is it? And just the safety of that crosswalk.

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And although I don't think it's a huge problem, I haven't witnessed any accidents there.

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I did notice one night that there was a pedestrian that was almost struck.

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The person was wearing dark clothing and crossed the street thinking that the car would

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stop and it was a very close call, but what I noticed was that it seems to be very poor

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lighting at that particular intersection at night, and I'm wondering if there's ever

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been a dark hours audit done of the crosswalks, the major crosswalks in town, I would have

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back to every single crosswalk, but those major intersections?

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No, I don't know if we've ever done actually dark hours on it. That's a good point.

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And I think the lady who brought up the address for other concerns about this particular

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crosswalk, she witnesses cars not stopping even in midday for pedestrians that are waiting

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But the dark on it, the dark sky out is probably a good thing. We do have some

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options there, but I don't think a viable option would be to make that a four-way stop or

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another signalized intersection. I wouldn't think so either. I think that was brought to our

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former traffic authority and he did some research and it wasn't. In my limited role as a

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traffic authority, I would have said no, that's not a good place for a four-way stop. We can certainly

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But just that night, it is not very well let for sure.

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Yeah, like there's a street light on the Jason Paul there or not, but we can, we can

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include that in our assessment as I indicated in the report, we've reached out to the RSMP,

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look for a collision history at that intersection.

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I know in the past there's been maybe even a fatality there, I think 10 years ago or so.

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So the night time audits, probably a good idea.

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Okay. Thank you. You know something else and this is so basic. It might be time to do another

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campaign around safety. People are I mean it happens to every one of us I'm sure. People just walk

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out into the crosswalk thinking somebody's been stopped for me. They don't walk or they're on their

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phones or they're let's all be honest about it right? They just out they go. It's on Main Street. It's

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on the side streets, you can't just cross without looking both ways and making sure those

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cars have stopped. And that's a hard one to say publicly, but there's a lot of truth

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to it. Go ahead, Councillor.

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Well, Councillor Belhatfield might recall a wise man once questioning if it hurts less

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if he gets hit in a crosswalk. And it was a very good point.

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ahead, Councilor Leicester.

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Just as well when they report the two paving projects,

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are the sidewalk on Toker, Pleasant the Green,

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and paving of Jarvis, are the Jarvis Road,

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are awesome additions to this out there,

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and thank you for moving on those.

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Anything else there for Chad?

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Oh, I did want to say this.

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I may as well say it here.

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I got a call from a lady. I want to say on Baker Street your team was out the

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night before last maybe and she said they just worked through everything and

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she just sung your praises and I said I will absolutely pass it on. I was going

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to send you a note but pass it on to the to the folks that did that they were

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really yeah it was really notice yeah good thank you anyone else for good go

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ahead they're deputy I'm not sure if this is a you or a Natalie thing but I've

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had a few concerns with the some seniors getting in contact about the bus

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route just basically I believe it doesn't go to the beacon seniors it doesn't

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go to Murphy Avenue seniors and there's two on parades street that it doesn't

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doesn't go to. Just I know we had some discussion before of all kind of looking at

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at least some maybe stops. Where goes with there's not a lot of kind of pickups

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or whatnot. And if we could kind of chat maybe about a better room. I know at

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one time we started a committee that didn't really get rolling but I know there's

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some some mothers and fathers including mine who would like to to maybe have a stop

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at their seniors and other people as well. So just something to kind of maybe put

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on the reader. Go ahead. Go ahead. So when we just recently reappointed

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committees, we appointed a transit nominating committee. And the role of that

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group is to nominate people for the Transit Advisory Committee. And once the

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Transit Advisory Committee is formed, then they can look at things such as the

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and the vice councilwoman. Thank you. Good. Anyone else? Thanks, Ted. Planning and development.

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The Natalie's here and the board is there. Go ahead, Councillor Happily.

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Hi, Natalie. I'm just more ahead of question about the street escape. When in the rendering,

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The chairs were red, green, and blue, and when they were put in they were all blue.

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So when I questioned the architect, I think you believe it was there the day.

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how a fact.

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So I asked if some of them could be brought down and they were there, not red or peachy,

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but there's certainly pretty an ad to it.

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So I guess my question is, what about the green chairs?

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So they also in storage or I will defer that to the engineer.

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Can you look?

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Because in the renderings there were like this kind of liney green chair and these red,

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well they said red, but they were peach, but none of them were in place at the opening.

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So I said, well, perhaps they would look nice on me in street near them.

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that it would really be nice to have that pop of green in there.

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what the whole street scape was about.

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I believe it's November.

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Yeah, and so that's still in process is it for now.

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I'm just thinking in long term for next year

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that kind of get those things.

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I will complete the project.

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Thank you.

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Or Natalie?

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OK, engineering.

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And our engineer is here.

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Any questions for our engineer?

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just down in their second story

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where they're doing their little bit of training.

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So, if the boat isn't in the boat in the harbor now,

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if it isn't, it will be tomorrow.

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The ferry will be.

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just because that ferry in the harbor sends such a strong message, you know, it's

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coming. They're doing some of their trials. They're ready in Bar Harbour.

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those pieces, all those pieces are coming together, so we're really excited. Go ahead,

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there, Deputy. Just more for public notice, I notice in the report where it says the Vancouver

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street and Main Street intersection is in design I get a lot of questions about

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that so just kind of putting it out there to let the public know that it is in

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the planning stages is something we'll be coming so just wanted to let the

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public know.

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Okay, finance. Jerry's here. You know the question

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We got money. Sometimes we don't want it out. Any questions for Jerry?

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And the Army's recreation.

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Certainly. Oh, sorry.

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Go ahead. It occurs to me that it sounds like we're not asking any questions.

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But I think if anyone reads the reports and sees how detailed they are, they'll understand

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why you guys don't leave any room for questions.

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That's a great point.

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We're good for a report.

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So, down to business, waterfront development, and Jeff can speak to this one, but the recommended

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motion is to recommend that Council request staff develop a terms of reference for a waterfront

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advisory committee and to recommend that Council authorize the wind-up of the

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Airmen's Waterfront Development Corporation resting all of its assets with

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the talent of the Airmen. So did you want to? Yeah, I think I should put some

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context around this if you have a minute.

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So the Waterfront Development

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corporation was formed in 1993 and its mandate was to improve water street and I'm making

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this up from observation I don't have the document with the bylaws but it was to turn

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water street into something more than an industrial street to give it pedestrian, make it pedestrian

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family, make it people-friendly, create a destination for tourists and for people who

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live in the area to enjoy what many communities were enjoying in terms of a waterfront.

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And they did a fantastic job.

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I had tried today to locate a slideshow that Dave Warner had presented back in 2004.

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At that point, the progress they had made in terms of transforming water street and until

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you look at those old photos from the 80s, it's hard to appreciate just how much water

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street was transformed through the projects that the corporation did.

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There were no sidewalks, it wasn't pedestrian friendly, there was no kilombs worth, it was an

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industrial truly purely working waterfront.

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At one time there was a train track running running down through.

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The work that they did was assisted through Bob Hartland and then Jim Corning, who worked

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with property owners, worked with government agencies, secured funding, and ultimately

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got buy-in for the projects that they put forward.

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We're very fortunate to have had that work done and it didn't happen overnight and it didn't happen without a vision.

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It didn't happen without citizen engagement. We had people on that board for probably the entirety.

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The original Board of Directors, but I would suggest there's some names that are the same today as they were when it started a few of them.

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But there hasn't been, I guess, we're kind of past the golden age of a waterfront development, when there were specific programs that were designed to do just the kind of work that they did. And it was formed and it was created as a company, not as an offer profit, not as a municipal corporation.

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of it as a company because as a company it had certain advantages in attracting funding

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that we could take advantage of.

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The town is a sole shareholder of that company and so it is our corporation and as far as

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local funding goes, the towning arms has been the sponsor of the local share of the projects

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that have taken place there.

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So probably a decade ago, probably ten years ago, the funding for the kinds of projects

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that we got used to with street scape and trees and stages on the waterfront. Those things

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kind of dried up a bit. The last major project that was done comes to mind as the loss to

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the sea memorial, which is quite a project in itself. That was a major project, but I think it was

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the last one that they were able to do. And that's not for any lack of vision or effort. It's just

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simply that the funding that used to be very segmented and specific has become more general.

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So the funding competes with water sewer projects and green projects that towns and municipalities

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want to get done. So the work of the waterfront corporation has to a certain degree turned into creating these interpretive panels.

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again that we enjoy and tell the story of Yarmouth and its waterfront and its history.

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We have many interpretive panels along our waterfront that are person visiting our waterfront

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if they're truly interested can spend hours learning about our past and how it connects

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to the present.

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The meanwhile, I guess, as they transformed water street to the waterfront from a very industrial

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space to a people-friendly space, the rather changes

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is happening. The port, the Port of Yarmouth once divested from a federal-owned and operated

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warf to a locally-owned and operated warf, which is the Industrial Commission currently

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manages. The very situation changed from a federally-operated ferry service to a federally-owned

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ferry terminal to a provincially-operated ferry service and a locally-owned ferry terminal.

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And so the mandate, some of the local mandates or some of the local holdings are kind of

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alongside the waterfront corporation, which is also local.

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and privately owned properties, we now have several local attachments to the waterfront,

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which is probably a good thing.

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of doing these infrastructure projects,

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as I say, that has slowed.

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Well, at the same time, our interests

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on the Waterfront have become more numerous.

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A few years ago, when the activity of the Waterfront

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clearly slowed down as had the meetings,

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the idea was brought forward to this council

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to look at winding up the waterfront corporation.

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And Council of the Day was supportive of that initiative,

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so meaning of the waterfront corporation

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in January, without looking on to say 2019,

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the idea was discussed.

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The members present, and I've spoke to some members

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who've been there for a very long time,

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I think they felt when it was presented in hindsight,

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I think they felt like we didn't appreciate what the waterfront corporation had achieved

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and that certainly isn't the case.

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It's a matter of there are other things that we need to be mindful of and coordinated

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with on the waterfront, such as land use planning, such as our waterfront strategy that we

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have and we can get into that someday in terms of what's involved in that and what else

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we want to include in it. But the mandate of the waterfront goes beyond simply making

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it pedestrian and tourism friendly. How do we prepare it and ensure that its future

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development is just as exciting as the last 30 years? So I'm suggesting that we wind

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up the corporation as a separate corporate brand, any corporate entity. The reasons for that

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that are really to give it a broader mandate

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and frankly to save a little bit of money.

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As a separate corporate entity,

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we pay HST on grants that we give to a waterfront corporation.

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We pay for separate audit.

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We pay separate insurance.

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There is probably, I'm believing it's in the area

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of $20,000 that we spend every year

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to maintain that corporation.

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And it's the benefit of having it

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separate corporation is diminished. As a waterfront advisory committee I see it

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as a committee that advises council directly on all things waterfront so

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whether it's a rezoning on water street or a a contemplation of ATVs on

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water street or anything else that that maybe is an infrastructure but really

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affects the dynamic or the field of water street.

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I think those things should go to an advisory committee to ensure a consistency in strategy.

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So I'm suggesting I'm asking for council's endorsement to go to convene a waterfront

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development corporation meeting and ask that they consider a motion to wind up and to turn

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their assets over to the town, assets and liabilities. At this point I think their assets, they may

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have a little bit of cash in the bank. That would be money that we would have put in the bank.

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And they have, they own a numbered company that owns the piece of land that's just south of

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lobster rock wharf. So if you go down today, you'll see a number of fishing vessels. There,

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that property is being used by the hope-building operation across the street. So other than that,

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I don't know that they own any other assets. So that's what I'm asking is that we do those two

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things, wind up the corporation and establish a broader mandated advisory committee.

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So I didn't know that there was... Jerry, is there money in that account? I didn't think there was

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Yes, because there's monthly checks coming out for.

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Yeah, so we give a grant annually to the development court and it's based on their budget.

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So then yes, so we put some money in their account for them then we cut checks or that.

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But as Jeff would mention, part of the process that is the HST component because in the past,

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all the assets that they developed were then turned over to the town.

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So as you mentioned, most of the assets right now are already in an included on the towns as that list

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Yeah, and then there's those the checks that come out monthly for the consultants

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That yeah, that's that's in the grant. Yeah, so they have their own bank accounts that other stuff. Yes. Okay. Yeah

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All right, go ahead

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Thank you worship wasn't that long ago

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So that we have consultants to look at the waterfront wasn't totally enamored with that

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particular report they gave us but we did have one done and it does seem to be the

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time to move on and to start this process of looking at what happens to the future of

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the waterfront.

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And so I'd be happy to make those motions.

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To me, I could combine the two.

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If you want them separate, that's fine as well.

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It doesn't matter.

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But I'll make the motion that we wind up the Yarmouth Waterfront

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Development Corporation, best the assets

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to the town of Yarmouth, and then have counsel,

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develop as terms of reference for Waterfront Advisory Committee.

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OK, moved and seconded.

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So I agree with this.

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And when we do this within that process, I think the folks on that committee know just how valued they have always been.

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They've sat at the table, they're the experts, they work on the working waterfront, their community citizens.

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They've just given their heart and soul to this and it's just really important.

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I think they know, but that they really understand how much we value all the work that's been done.

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We're just going to do things differently, and I don't know who ends up on that advisory committee,

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but these folks, they've always been wide open to advise us anyway regardless of whether they were sitting on the committee or not.

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So yeah, just some great folks there.

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So I'm fully in support of this as well.

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Is there anyone else?

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Go ahead, Councillor.

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So I see this really as a continuum.

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The CAO, thank you, by the way, thank you, your worship.

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The CAO referenced the beginning of the Waterfront Development Corporation.

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and it's in its mandate to create a working waterfront that was accessible to ordinary

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residents and tourists.

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So there was a recognition that there was a value in the waterfront beyond the industrial

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use that it had been originally created for.

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I think that if you take it back a few steps beyond the Waterfront Development Corporation

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and you look at the development of the sewage treatment plant and the pickup of all of

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the collector's sewers along Water Street and through the Lake Milo Strat that preceded

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the Waterfront Development Corporation's formation.

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You see the beginning of the continuum, which nothing would have been done on the waterfront

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if it had not been for that original project that cleaned up our harbor, because who would

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want to go to a harbor that is filthy and stinking and dirty.

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So when I look at the evolution in time, I recognize that the waterfront development came in

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And on the back end of that cleanup of the harbor, and they created an incredible jewel

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downtown that allows the industrial, commercial part of the waterfront to continue to function,

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but does it in a way that makes it accessible to residents and pedestrians and tourists,

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so that it's real, it's authentic, and it creates an experience that is not Disneyland.

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land. It's the real deal. And maybe what has happened is that the corporation as an entity

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that was creating the jewel has completed its task and now it's time to move on to ensure

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or that all of the silos, the industrial silo, the manufacturing silo, the recreational

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silo, the tourist silo, the commercial silo, all of those things pull together in a unified

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way so that each is working with the other rather than perhaps in their own special areas.

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And so I see the advisory committee as an opportunity to pull from all of those different spheres

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and have everyone at the table at the same time so that the port authority and the ferry

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terminal and the private commercial operations that are so critical to our economy all have

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a place at the table.

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So I am supporting the motion with the recognition that this is just a place in the process.

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Yes, it's not a beginning or an end, it's just an evolution and I value so much the work

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that's been done and I think that there's a lot more that's going to be needed in

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the future.

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Thank you.

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Yes, thank you.

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Councillor Dave.

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I'd like to echo those sentiments.

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I think this is just a change of the mechanism, not an abandonment of anything and I think we

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should publicly acknowledge the accomplishments of the Waterfront Development Corporation.

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I moved here in the early 80s and I can tell you that Water Street wasn't a very pleasant

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place to spend any time although I did spend a lot of time there on duty but it's been

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so amazing accomplishments down there and I think we haven't selected the committee yet so

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I don't think it's um I don't think necessarily that everybody's going to be um left at the

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fold that wants to be involved so I look forward to the change thank you

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good okay anyone

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else okay

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all those in favor I contrary motion

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Okay,

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so the next one is the bike lanes and the recommended motion there is to recommend that

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council support the implementation of a bike lane network on the arterial and collector streets

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of sufficient width and with the approval of the attractive authority.

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So that doesn't mean we're just going to go build them tomorrow if everything has to be looked

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to and yeah. Okay. Second by the deputy. Any discussion?

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Go ahead deputy. I think it's

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important that the public knows that basically this is coming forward is forward thinking

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because of the recent paving of Prairie Street. It's not like we're going to put bike lanes on every

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single street downtown and everywhere. There is a plan. It probably wouldn't. It won't go into the

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downtown. I've seen some concerns online about that. But this is basically, you know, make

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make our town a little more accessible with bikes, where we have the transportation trails

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out in the Ailey Road or what not, bring people down, and I think this is none in other

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places I know Councilor Hatfield mentioned over in Europe, it's quite common and what

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not.

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You know, our plan to reduce our carbon footprint and what not, I think this just goes along

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with it.

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So, I mean, really in all and all if we did start on Parade Street, if it didn't work, it

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would be simple as some lines get to fade away, and we don't do it, and if it actually catches

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on, it's something that could be much more productive.

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So, you know, we don't have a lot to lose here in a whole lot to gain.

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I think that puts our town on the map as something else that kind of, you know, we're looking forward to and it's not that cost, you know, a couple hundred bucks or some paint and, you know, the go from there.

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So I think this is a plan in motion and the public should know that and, you know, you start small and you work out from there and who knows, right?

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So, just a heads up on that to the public once again.

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I was expecting, I guess, when I got on council that I would hear more from people about

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things that we discussed that council and it doesn't seem to be happening much.

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But this is actually one that decids some attention.

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And I was expecting it to have negative attention because I saw some comments online.

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But every person that contacted me said they're full favor of the bike lane, which is interesting

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because it kind of represents, I think, what really happens in the real world that people

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like to go online and complain about things, but in person they, you know, the people

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who are in favor of things don't necessarily want to talk about it.

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But, you know, the comments that I've heard from people are around how difficult it's been

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the city to make this happen. Some negative comments I've read were around.

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There's not

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a lot of people biking, but then the positive comments that is because there's no bike

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links. So I think if we do this we can we can encourage more people to bike. It's a good

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thing for the town.

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Bill, they will come. So you may recall that when we first had the

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conversation about the bike lanes on Parade Street. I was a little bit reluctant and through

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the course of the conversation and the discussion that evening, my change of mind. And I see

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where this fits well into the Active Transportation Master Plan, the Integrated Community Sustainability

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Plan. And I think the opportunity to begin this process on Parade Street is there and we should

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take advantage of it and move forward. I think it's great.

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You guys changed my mind by the way.

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You know what? Isn't that the beauty of this council and be able to put everything out there?

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I love it. As you've changed my mind a couple of times.

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Yeah. I am certainly for this. I think it is

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is a visionary and it's where we, what the positive changes we need to be doing as a

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town, change is often difficult for a lot most of us, but I think that once we do this

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people will see the benefit from it and it's like Councillor Berry said that if it doesn't

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work, you just watch off the paint and put new paint and new lines for parking. It's not

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a lot of costs, I'll be costing and it is a very time, it's the right time to do it.

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I also think of the new Mariners Center being built to the expansion in the pool and stuff

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going out on Jody Shelley ride and this would certainly feed into the ability for the youth

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and young people to be able to get on the bike and ride safely out through Prairie Street

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on the Jody Shelley Drive to get to the new pool and stuff when that is in place.

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So I think that that's that I'd be consideration

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Okay, there's a motion on the floor

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All those in favor I

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Contrary

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Motion carried. Thank you

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The next one is the Ameth welcomes sign on forestry and the recommended motion is to recommend the council direct staff to refinish the welcome

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The Ameth sign on forestry to include welcome in Migma

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French and English languages

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So I put that on there, I had a conversation actually with Jeff Purti at the

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Acadia First Nation. We were just talking about a few issues and that sign needs

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to be returned, but say for what it is, that sign really needs to be refinished.

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And you know, we were excited about the ferry coming back and we all know, you

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back and forth with family members and friends and things like that. The

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Acadian connection is huge and so is the first nation, so are the first

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nations. So, you know, to add that to the sign when we redo it because it does

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need to read down, I think it just goes a long way. Not just in our community, but

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also when the folks are coming off that boat, it's a huge message. It says who

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We are that we're, you know, we're there.

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So go ahead back, House of Cleveland.

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Thank you, worship.

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I don't think we can say welcome enough on it's late.

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And it definitely needs to be done.

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I'm happy to make the motion.

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I want to ask all of you, if you'd seen the photo,

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there was one that I shared on social media

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while back of a mural that was painted in Halifax

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on the side of the building. Very large one. I was planning on sending it to Bell as a matter of fact, but I never got to it.

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I apologize and I will, but I'd love to see that. I'd love to see, I've always thought of, and I know Councillor Lesnar has mentioned before about some kind of a spot where people can have their pictures taken, maybe with a, you know, in the same way that you can go to the Toronto sign, you could go to the Yarmouth sign with whatever may it be a lobster or whatever.

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But this is a great again first step. Let's welcome everybody. There's many languages as we can think of. I

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Would like to make that motion

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Seconded anyone else all

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those in favor? I

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Contrary motion carried. Thank you

450
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90 invitation to present the recommended motion there is to recommend that council invite AFN counselor Jeff Purdy to share

451
00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:05,510
presentation regarding artifacts and the education piece required here in. So thank

452
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:12,870
you, moved by Councillor Dare, second by Councillor Halfield. So in a nutshell, in our conversation

453
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:19,050
and I think folks are aware of this anyway. There's lots of sites where they are finding

454
00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:28,350
artifacts and they date back, they date way back and I know that out at Lake Vaughan, they

455
00:38:28,350 --> 00:38:37,350
they are doing that now among a number of other places and bluntly put, because that's

456
00:38:37,350 --> 00:38:43,470
who I am. People are going in there and taking artifacts, which is wrong on every level.

457
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:45,210
I think that what's the word about?

458
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:51,400
I think what you're looking for is illegal. Thank you.

459
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:58,960
I was trying to be a little bit diplomatic, which I'm usually not, but it is illegal

460
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:09,540
to take these artifacts and, you know, I've seen Councillor Perty in videos and explaining

461
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:16,580
this process and what's going on and his passion for this is just, it's unbelievable.

462
00:39:17,020 --> 00:39:22,480
So we just thought, you know, he could come here and explain to us at a council meeting.

463
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,580
And then that also provides, because it'll be on E-Slink,

464
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,540
you know, it's like an information session for the public,

465
00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:36,740
so that they would understand exactly, you know,

466
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:38,940
what this is about, the history,

467
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:41,240
and of course the message around,

468
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:45,060
because they do have people out there watching the site,

469
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:49,340
but they can't contain everyone.

470
00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:56,160
And so, yeah, I just thought it would be a great idea and really interesting to have him come in and present to us.

471
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,680
So, there we are.

472
00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:59,940
Anybody?

473
00:40:01,540 --> 00:40:02,340
Are you good?

474
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:02,700
Okay.

475
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,540
All those in favor?

476
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,400
Aye.

477
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:05,200
Contrary.

478
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:06,600
Motion carried.

479
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:07,220
Thank you.

480
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,500
Doug Freezone and Central Business District.

481
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:12,100
And that's from Councillor Daires.

482
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:18,740
The recommended motion is to recommend that Councillor direct staff to look into having the Central Business District a Doug Freezone.

483
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,860
Go ahead there, Councillor.

484
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:26,640
So I'll make the motion and if there's a seconder, I'd just like to add some comment.

485
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:30,220
Okay, go ahead.

486
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:36,220
So this came as a result of discussion with a former town Councillor who happened to be

487
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:43,100
in the downtown area when a lady was walking two large dogs on lengthy leashes and people

488
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,140
were scattering around.

489
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,380
They were crossing the street and giving her a very wide birth.

490
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:54,720
He felt that with the pending return of the ferry traffic and the tours in the area

491
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:00,240
that perhaps we should consider having dogs restricted from the downtown core.

492
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:04,400
I know that's going to be a controversial thing but quite honestly I've always been

493
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,560
a dog owner and there's all kinds of places to walk your dog without going down through

494
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,760
the business district.

495
00:41:10,500 --> 00:41:15,860
I would suggest that probably people with service dogs would see it differently.

496
00:41:15,860 --> 00:41:29,000
But anyway, I just thought if it's feasible, I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if it's feasible, perhaps staff could take a look at it and just think whether or not it's doable.

497
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:30,120
Okay.

498
00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:32,160
Anyway, I'll leave it at that.

499
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:36,940
Go ahead.

500
00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:42,400
Okay. I have a strong opinion, and it's as long as I breathe, I'm never going to support this.

501
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,500
And I never say never, but I will never support this.

502
00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:51,340
It seems ironic to me that at the same time we want to put out welcome signs we're going

503
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:57,540
to try to ban dogs in our central business district, an area where there's lots of foot traffic

504
00:41:57,540 --> 00:42:00,500
and lots of people walking, lots of people walking their dogs.

505
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,340
And yes, we do have tourists, you know, also of citizens.

506
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,780
And I just, I would never support this.

507
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:19,180
There are service dogs to look at, there are just, it's complicated, it's probably pretty

508
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:25,340
difficult to enforce, and it sends absolutely the wrong message as far as I'm concerned.

509
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,240
Thank you.

510
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:28,800
Yeah, but you know what?

511
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,160
We have to put everything on the table, and that's fair, Deputy.

512
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,300
So two things, actually, number one, the point that was brought up earlier about

513
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:43,800
disagreeing at the table and being able to discuss it. I think this is exactly what

514
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,220
you were speaking to. I'm actually on the side with Wade here, but I always

515
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:53,060
respect the fact that we bring what the citizens want forward. We discuss it in a

516
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:57,300
respectful manner, and we always come up with some type of agreement. As Gil said

517
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,820
earlier, he changed his mind on some things. My mind has just has been changed

518
00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:04,980
before. So I think that's important. We don't always have to vote nay, but I think the

519
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:09,420
ability to talk openly about what we agree and disagree on is really important here.

520
00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:14,480
So, respectful just for bringing it up, but I do agree with Wade. A bit of guilty pleasure

521
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,120
for myself, I guess. I do walk my dog every night on me and myself, and I do see the regular

522
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,080
people that we pass. It's almost like a community sometimes. I know there are other businesses

523
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,700
as well downtown who are dog-friendly. I know Heritage is a big one with the patio

524
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:36,300
a little friend in the summer, I know that's a huge pick up for them to be able to pick your dog up and come down in the bulls are there, and you know,

525
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:46,100
Kelty with Shoka, and you know what not. So it's great. So I guess my personal opinion would be I wouldn't support it either, but I certainly respect Councillor Derrish for bringing it up.

526
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:56,560
Yeah, it's just, I think with Councillor Wade, it's more welcoming that we do that, being a dog guy, and like I said, I go on main quite a bit.

527
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,560
I do appreciate the doggy bags that are on Alma Square.

528
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,380
They come in quite useful because my dog doesn't seem to want to do anything that's up

529
00:44:03,380 --> 00:44:03,900
on sidewalk.

530
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,780
So I appreciate that we can pick that up and keep our streets clean as well.

531
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Some people don't see those doggy bags.

532
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:12,480
That's part of the problem.

533
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:16,830
Councillor, this is Councillor Hatfield.

534
00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:17,510
Okay.

535
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:19,490
Yeah.

536
00:44:19,770 --> 00:44:23,230
Thank you to Councillor Dares for bringing that up.

537
00:44:23,230 --> 00:44:38,530
I as well would not support it, although I do know the feeling of walking downtown and having not so pleasant looking dogs going by you and being, you know, taking the second look at them and maybe crossing the street.

538
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:44,810
So I do appreciate that aspect because I have been fearful at times.

539
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:53,130
But I think of the shop owners who do benefit from having people walk by with dogs.

540
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:59,970
As Councillor Berry mentioned, the heritage, I mean, I'm sure that they would not be in favor of it.

541
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
All of this because they promote that. They have the dogs come in and people come and spend the afternoon with their dog, you know, and it brings business into that business and other shops, you know, people are walking their dog. They're looking in the shop windows are seeing things that they might want to go back and buy, right? So people are always window shopping when they're when they're walking with with or without their dog. So yeah, I don't see it as being one that would have great benefit to the town. And I think

542
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,600
I don't think it's a big problem as it is, so I would not be supporting it.

543
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:52,840
Thank you, Your Worship. I gave this a lot of thought. I wanted to give it a full

544
00:45:52,840 --> 00:46:03,160
airing in my mind and the first problem that occurred to me was whether or not dog

545
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,040
dog grooming pet stores, et cetera, are allowed in the central business district.

546
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,000
And I think they are their personal services.

547
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,360
Is that, am I right about that?

548
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:20,060
So it would require a land use bylaw change, I think, because how can you have a dog going

549
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:26,140
into a pet store to be groomed in the central business district if we don't allow dogs?

550
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:31,020
So that was one of the concerns that immediately came to mind.

551
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:42,240
The other thing that I thought about was the bylaw that we have in place now for poop

552
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:42,600
and scoop.

553
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:52,000
And I just wondered when was the last citation given for someone failing to pick up after

554
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,940
their animal in the town, the arm of this, this, this, gosh, you've got to find, catch them.

555
00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,080
First, that's the problem.

556
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,240
Go ahead.

557
00:47:01,940 --> 00:47:03,240
We have one conviction.

558
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:04,620
Okay.

559
00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:05,660
Good.

560
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:07,360
I'm glad that we've had one.

561
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:21,900
So it, I'm just a little concerned about adding layers of enforcement on layers of enforcement

562
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:28,480
when perhaps they're difficult to enforce to begin with.

563
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:36,800
So I'm not going to support the motion, and I do think

564
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:43,620
that it's important as a council that I mitigate efforts

565
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:49,620
to control and constrain activities with the need

566
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:50,400
for good governance.

567
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,740
So I think it's a little bit of an overreach and I can't support it.

568
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:55,320
Thank you.

569
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:55,560
Good.

570
00:47:55,940 --> 00:47:56,840
Thank you.

571
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:58,240
Go ahead, Gasser.

572
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:08,220
So for the record, I gave my word that I would bring the motion, bring the issue forward.

573
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
I don't want my dog downtown, but because he's a fool.

574
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:25,880
for the same reason I don't take them shopping a Canadian tire, but I did see in the conversation

575
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,640
I did understand what the person was raising, I understood the issue, I did feel that it

576
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:41,240
was probably uninforcible and would probably cause more problems for dog owners than it would

577
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:47,480
resolved, so to be honest, I wasn't in favor of it, but I did think that I had to bring

578
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:47,820
it forward.

579
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,540
Thank you.

580
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:56,680
You know, this one, and I have to say, like, I'm with everybody else, I respect the fact

581
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,260
that you brought it, because that's what we do, and that we have that open discussion.

582
00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:11,220
But it reminds me of the crosswalks in some time.

583
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:18,980
times. I think that sometimes we look at things backwards, right? The issue is not most

584
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:24,820
of the dogs on Main Street. It's the one or two or three dogs, right? So we can't, it's

585
00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:34,040
hard to write policy and bylaws around the few, although I have sat here 50 times and said

586
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,980
We write the rules for those folks that don't follow them in the first place.

587
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,280
That's why they need rules.

588
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:50,500
You know, it's the same as the crosswalks that we, and not Derek,

589
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,220
no, I don't mean yours, but there's some that we get requests for.

590
00:49:54,740 --> 00:49:59,140
We can't put a crosswalk on every corner because somebody walked out in front of a car

591
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:01,060
or a car didn't see something.

592
00:50:01,060 --> 00:50:06,320
I think it's really, it's really difficult, but what makes it easier are the conversation.

593
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,500
So I just want to say thank you to everybody for putting everything on the table.

594
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:11,840
So let's vote on that motion.

595
00:50:13,140 --> 00:50:13,840
All those in favor?

596
00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:16,260
Opposed?

597
00:50:16,580 --> 00:50:17,080
Okay.

598
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:17,900
Okay.

599
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,020
That's right.

600
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:20,380
Gosh.

601
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:27,320
That's all good, you know, because people are probably just wondering, do they even pay attention

602
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,380
I don't know what they're talking about.

603
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:29,380
Okay.

604
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:32,940
I

605
00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:37,820
must have missed one here.

606
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,040
I got the stop sign at Waverly to recommend that Council direct staff

607
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,120
to investigate a stop sign at Waverly and Pleasant Street.

608
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,740
Go ahead, Councillor.

609
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,160
So this was actually another similar to Councillor Dares.

610
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,340
Somebody who works on this street,

611
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,500
a little further up, they were talking, when they contacted me, they were talking about

612
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:11,100
how fast he has to go through that zone, and it's a working street, although I don't

613
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:16,580
think any of the people working on the street own the street, but I think he has due travel

614
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:17,040
fast there.

615
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:26,680
What was interesting in the conversation is that there are speed limits in town, and

616
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:31,220
And, you know, if there's people speeding by, you can always report it, but the one interesting

617
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:35,180
thing that came out of that conversation was at the end of Waverly Street.

618
00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:38,160
So this is between Pleasant Supplies and I think in the Apple.

619
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,400
When you're going, there's actually no stop sign at the end of Waverly to turn on to Pleasant.

620
00:51:46,020 --> 00:51:47,920
And I thought there's no way that that's true.

621
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:52,780
So I went to Google Earth Street View and I looked and there is the fact no stop sign.

622
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:58,960
So I'm only bringing it forward because I don't know, I guess that there's no stop signer

623
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,320
we in a position like, do you just drive, do you just, I know most people, I think people

624
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:11,300
stop, but should there be a stop sign there and then second of all, I've also looked at

625
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:15,680
the area and think there's not really a spot to put one and I think that's part of the issue

626
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,380
there's no, there's no pull that's there because I think there's a lot of wide turns with

627
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:24,200
trucks going in and out. But it just seems strange to have the end of a street without

628
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,920
a sign there. So anyway, I said I'd bring it forward as well.

629
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,080
Good.

630
00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:33,870
Chad, are you? Is that a question for you?

631
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:40,560
Oh, sorry, Jeff. You can talk while he's on his way out.

632
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:42,180
You good?

633
00:52:44,190 --> 00:52:45,230
I didn't see your light.

634
00:52:47,530 --> 00:52:53,130
Yeah, that's probably a question for me. I don't have a good reason why there's no stop sign

635
00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:58,750
there, except the streets, there's really no definition of the street, the street kind

636
00:52:58,750 --> 00:53:04,250
of blends in with the adjacent parking lots to the businesses. So we've actually been

637
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:09,530
investigating the installation of the crosswalk for a year. Sounds simpler than it actually

638
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:15,810
is. We actually went there this morning, I saw this on the agenda, so transportation supervisor

639
00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:20,070
and I went there this morning. We delineated the corner of the intersection and we marked

640
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:26,410
out a location to install a concrete boulevard where we can put a stop sign in the middle.

641
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:30,330
So there, on Waverly?

642
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:32,750
At the intersection of Waverly and Pleasant.

643
00:53:33,550 --> 00:53:33,830
Oh,

644
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,160
awesome.

645
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:45,000
So it's your worship, if I may, Chad notices on the agenda and looked into it.

646
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,520
This is not a matter of policy for councils.

647
00:53:51,520 --> 00:54:04,440
When you see something like this, this is the kind of thing just send an email and we can look after because there was, I think probably this came to some people's consciousness because of the detours around the intersection, right?

648
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,400
So people were using way really more and probably somebody don't say, wait a minute, there's no stop sign.

649
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,380
So when you see something like that, whether it's a stop sign, it's been run over, that happened.

650
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:24,980
Or in this case, one was just not there, just let Chad know, let me know and it can be rectified, because that's a dangerous situation.

651
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:29,300
Yeah, and you know, think about it until you bring it up, right?

652
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:40,000
But the other thing, because I always think, when I think of that whole section of Pleasant Street, everybody uses the parking lot as a street.

653
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,920
you know what I mean like it's they're in and out you're going to pleasant supplies but you're

654
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:51,120
cutting in by nap and so if that's defined as a street there's going to be less less I don't know if

655
00:54:51,120 --> 00:55:02,500
the stop sign is going to mitigate that but but yeah but if there's that the concrete yeah that

656
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:08,060
concrete boulevard speaks pretty loudly but yeah you're right it might not I just don't think it's

657
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:11,240
been an issue in the past because it's mainly local traffic. I mean don't see

658
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:14,560
tourists away from the street so it's probably why we haven't been getting

659
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:20,660
complaints. Yeah. It's local traffic. No stop. That wasn't. Okay good so so we'll go

660
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:23,700
ahead yet? Yeah just to say also we haven't always owned

661
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:30,260
Waverly Street. Oh yeah so Waverly Street was in fact privately owned

662
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:34,640
until a few years back when we were going to be

663
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:41,820
And Chad may remember that the street had deteriorated to such a point that it was needed

664
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:44,720
in need of work and when we looked into it, we didn't actually own it.

665
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:52,060
So at the owners who owned property adjacent to the street felt they'd like to see the

666
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:52,640
street upgraded.

667
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,060
So it was an easy transition to have that turned over to the town.

668
00:55:57,620 --> 00:56:02,900
Now it does vary in width as you go down way over the street because it wasn't owned by

669
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:06,920
just one property owner we had to deal with several property owners but in fact

670
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,760
if you own a street that goes down in that direction now and so that's not

671
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,720
always been the case it's just an interesting every now and then we stumble

672
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:22,760
across something like that or something kind of odd that just just is yeah good

673
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:29,720
stop go ahead then Councillor there and let her oh three flips okay so maybe it

674
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,140
It doesn't, if it's going to get done anyway, maybe it doesn't eat the motion.

675
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,580
I don't know if we have to do it for procedure, but it sounds like we probably don't.

676
00:56:37,860 --> 00:56:42,240
So I can always draw the motion and it seems like it's going to get done anyway.

677
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:43,280
Thanks, Chan.

678
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:44,220
Thank you.

679
00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:45,100
Sit down.

680
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:48,860
Are you good?

681
00:56:52,570 --> 00:56:53,190
Oh, okay.

682
00:56:55,810 --> 00:57:00,550
Canstree, to recommend that Council direct staff to investigate safer options for turning left

683
00:57:00,550 --> 00:57:01,710
from can to water.

684
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:03,050
Go ahead.

685
00:57:03,050 --> 00:57:08,330
so once again it's another another one that came from a citizen I actually avoid

686
00:57:08,330 --> 00:57:13,430
can't sleep for that for that reason it is it is dangerous because there's a

687
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:18,750
restaurant seems very close to the road and there's often a truck parked on

688
00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:27,790
what's the next street over no the one where the the one way street going up yeah

689
00:57:33,050 --> 00:57:40,870
So at the bottom of that, there's a transport truck often sticking out which I support because it's a business on water street and they need to do that.

690
00:57:41,310 --> 00:57:44,170
But it does make a difficult turn.

691
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:57,910
The person who bought it from my attention actually leaves and goes down Elm Street and then turns on to can take it down to water street to avoid going through the downtown core.

692
00:57:57,910 --> 00:58:01,910
Or anyway, they just said is there's some way of putting up a mirror or something.

693
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:08,410
I have no idea if there is, but I actually don't use that street for that reason.

694
00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:12,630
But I do think there is, I think it is a dangerous spot, but I don't know if there is something

695
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:14,290
that can't be looked at.

696
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:17,830
Go ahead, Castle.

697
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:26,830
Actually, I travel that route as well, very often, and I think probably the safest answer

698
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:29,270
is to make a no left turn off can.

699
00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:34,930
The option is to use gardener street, which is one way

700
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:41,310
up the hill. You can turn left or right. But can street, I think, is I'm not going to

701
00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:46,730
impose my opinion too hard on the traffic authority, but if it was me, I think I'd make that

702
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:54,090
a no left turn. This whole situation was created when they installed the boulevard on Vancouver

703
00:58:54,090 --> 00:59:02,450
over street, which prevented any left turns on to Vancouver. And so that's, and where

704
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:07,850
people would drive down and turn on to Vancouver to turn left on Maine. So that's how the

705
00:59:07,850 --> 00:59:12,210
situation was originally created. But really, I don't believe there's ever going to be a

706
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:14,190
safe option for turning left off Canstree.

707
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:27,220
We're talking to the left on Maine off of Kent, we're left on water off of Kent.

708
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:36,460
Neither the water is good term.

709
00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:50,850
Just to my silence.

710
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:52,470
Yeah, I don't know what to.

711
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:59,790
I guess that's why I said if we could direct a staff to look into it, I actually didn't, I know the top.

712
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,800
There's bad as well, but that wasn't the question that was brought to my attention. But it does seem like a strange street to turn, basically, on and off of, but it is also a fast way to get to Water Street if you're out main, and you want to get down to Water Street because the next street over is a one-way street. And like I said, I don't know if there is a something that can be done. The person who brought it to my attention said, you know, could there be some kind of a concave mirror put up? I don't know if that would work.

713
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:43,320
That large of the space, but I don't know if there is an answer and the hot seat again.

714
01:00:45,290 --> 01:00:57,280
I'm just wondering if he's, yeah, okay, okay, so did somebody make a motion, motion and

715
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,160
Do you want to second it there, okay? All those in favor?

716
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Aye.

717
01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:02,980
Contrary.

718
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:05,240
Motion carried.

719
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:07,820
Okay.

720
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:14,280
Recommended motion for 9-8 to recommend that Council send a letter of condolence to the family of Chris Perry.

721
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,480
Go ahead, Councilor Cleveland.

722
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:16,060
Hi.

723
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,580
Thank you.

724
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:19,780
This is a difficult one for me.

725
01:01:21,780 --> 01:01:24,780
Chris was a mentor and a dear friend.

726
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,180
But I do feel it would be apropos to send a letter.

727
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:37,000
We don't normally do that, but Chris, for many, many years, contributed in many different

728
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:43,300
ways to the community here, the three, the trifecta of radio here, Chris Perry, Raisington,

729
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:50,600
and Jerry Boudreau really kept radio local and strong here for decades, and for that,

730
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:57,280
I'd like to love to see and remember to have a condolence, but also Chris, for a period

731
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,640
of time, of course was warden of the municipality of the district of Yarmouth.

732
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:03,880
And for that reason alone, I think we should send a letter of condolence.

733
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:05,540
So I'd like to make that motion if I could.

734
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:06,720
Okay.

735
01:02:07,060 --> 01:02:07,220
Move.

736
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:07,960
Second.

737
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,000
Macastor Leicester.

738
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:10,820
In the discussion.

739
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,320
All those in favor?

740
01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:14,140
Aye.

741
01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:15,180
Contrary.

742
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:16,540
Motion carried.

743
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:23,620
Request for a decision to recommend that Council review and provide feedback on the

744
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:26,260
attached draft for the street aiming policy.

745
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:33,740
Okay?

746
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:34,920
Go ahead.

747
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:37,200
Just one comment.

748
01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:43,820
I'm aware of other municipal units that and other agencies that have a policy that they

749
01:02:43,820 --> 01:02:52,220
typically don't name a street or a building after somebody that has passed.

750
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:58,240
for at least one year, and the reason they include that in their policy is that

751
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,640
it's not a knee-jerk reaction or something done under the motion.

752
01:03:02,380 --> 01:03:07,280
It gives an opportunity for Silver Second Thought, and I'm just throwing it out there

753
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,820
that I've got more of that policy being in place in other jurisdictions.

754
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:13,800
That's not in here. That's not in here.

755
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:18,480
I rather that I don't remember.

756
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:28,760
You know what? I would be fully in favor of that because when somebody passes we are

757
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:39,960
inundated with requests to name streets and buildings and, you know, and so I agree

758
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,500
with the Seconds Over Thought and to do our research and things like that.

759
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,040
So can we add that in?

760
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:48,440
Yeah.

761
01:03:51,630 --> 01:03:55,170
So your worship, the only reference that I find,

762
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:56,730
and I don't know, there are two references

763
01:03:56,730 --> 01:03:57,990
to these people in here.

764
01:03:59,450 --> 01:03:59,610
Yeah.

765
01:04:00,470 --> 01:04:00,590
Sorry.

766
01:04:01,130 --> 01:04:06,130
7.1, a revolt, says to avoid street names

767
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:12,190
of historical events, or persons that could carry

768
01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:13,990
unknown offense to the public in the future.

769
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:19,670
And I think what that's trying to get at is just the point, I think it's partly the point

770
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:25,890
that's being made is the emotion that comes with the passing of significant persons in

771
01:04:25,890 --> 01:04:26,430
the community.

772
01:04:26,550 --> 01:04:33,710
But the other is naming after persons as we've seen in recent years in this province, you

773
01:04:33,710 --> 01:04:43,830
know, as time rolls on and prospective changes, the celebrated heroes of one time may be

774
01:04:43,830 --> 01:04:53,670
found in future years to be maybe by another time standard and another, you know, objective

775
01:04:54,030 --> 01:05:03,530
look at the impacts on all peoples, maybe words so hero worthy or recognition worth.

776
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:12,590
So, you know, speaking of the changes in John and MacDonald and Edward Cornwall and so on.

777
01:05:12,590 --> 01:05:20,710
And so, I think that naming after people is something that, you know, you've seen cause

778
01:05:21,850 --> 01:05:27,470
hurt and it changes recently.

779
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:32,390
So maybe naming after people altogether isn't such a good idea when it comes to streets,

780
01:05:32,530 --> 01:05:39,150
but again, it's your prerogative, you can, if you amend this policy, it is your policy.

781
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:46,530
If you wish to have a consideration of naming of people but to include a call it a cooling

782
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:55,830
off period or a review period of a year or two or five whatever that could be included.

783
01:05:56,610 --> 01:06:04,210
The other part to the naming after people is that you know we accept person A and then

784
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:10,790
And for some D says why is my family member and not as important, that's the one that

785
01:06:10,790 --> 01:06:14,790
tears me apart, you know, because everybody, everyone is different.

786
01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:24,410
We all contribute differently to the world and it's difficult to pick and choose, you

787
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:24,550
know.

788
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:25,710
It's a hard one.

789
01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:31,390
So, boy, what do you want to do there, folks?

790
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:39,070
Councillor, they're suggesting the cooling off period, which is not a bad idea.

791
01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:41,750
I think that's the very least we need to do.

792
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:51,690
Councillor, less, less.

793
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:54,210
Oh, it's just too quiet again, so I thought I'd jump in.

794
01:06:55,910 --> 01:07:02,090
I actually asked the CAO at one point about a wall back about if there are streets in town

795
01:07:02,090 --> 01:07:09,470
that are named after anybody that could be offensive to cultures in the past, I guess.

796
01:07:11,690 --> 01:07:17,170
And I actually posted online a list of the streets and asked if people knew where the names

797
01:07:17,170 --> 01:07:17,570
came from.

798
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:22,470
I don't know if they're all accurate or not, but it was a fun read to go through and there

799
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:27,850
are some people here in town that are very knowledgeable about our streets, which is interesting.

800
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:31,910
But I think in the end, if they're all accurate, I don't think we have any streets that are

801
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:37,010
named after anybody at this point that are offensive, but I

802
01:07:40,050 --> 01:07:42,150
do like the idea of having

803
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:51,070
streets possibly named after people, but I agree that a period of time after is probably

804
01:07:51,070 --> 01:07:57,110
good. Having said that, the two streets that I think that are named after people recently

805
01:07:57,110 --> 01:08:03,770
are actually still alive, which would be Jody Shelley Drive and Charles Crosby Drive.

806
01:08:07,110 --> 01:08:11,650
So I don't know if we could have like the cooling off period, I don't know if that would

807
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:15,730
pertain to people that are still alive, so I don't know if I don't know how we would

808
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:16,130
worry that.

809
01:08:16,590 --> 01:08:21,590
But I do like the idea of having lots of thought going to when we name the street so that we're

810
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:26,090
not having to change the street down the line for something that we've made a mistake

811
01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:34,850
So when you say that, a Jody Shelley drive, I mean, that was the big celebration of it was.

812
01:08:35,410 --> 01:08:41,110
So that's, I guess then, I think, yeah, it's not so bad to have it named after a person.

813
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:44,910
And we don't want to have to change street names, but in the end, if you have to,

814
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:47,870
but the cooling off period, go ahead there, Councillor.

815
01:08:48,270 --> 01:08:49,590
I agree with the cooling off period.

816
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:57,470
But I do take into under advisement within the actual policy that you have here.

817
01:08:58,090 --> 01:09:02,990
It says literally, 7-1, to avoid street names, town council may take these factors.

818
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:08,170
7-1-A, to avoid street names of historical events of persons that could carry unknown

819
01:09:08,170 --> 01:09:13,270
offense to the public in the future, and to encourage street names such as names of tree species.

820
01:09:13,630 --> 01:09:16,670
So we could kind of stay away from that as much as possible.

821
01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:20,630
So on the other hand, things like Jody Shelley drive are a big deal.

822
01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:28,690
And so, yes, I think that probably underneath 7-1, if you could put a D with a cooling

823
01:09:28,690 --> 01:09:31,130
off period, maybe the proper way to go.

824
01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:38,190
But under advisement with this policy, it does encourage not doing that at all.

825
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:41,170
So I don't know.

826
01:09:41,170 --> 01:09:50,470
So what I'm reading is that it's saying, you know, be careful about your historical figures, right?

827
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:54,590
Yeah, but the minute you put some of these names somewhere, it's kind of a historical figure.

828
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:56,630
Yeah, that's right, somebody finds something.

829
01:09:56,730 --> 01:10:02,050
Jody Shelley is an historical figure right now because he's in the hall of fame and he's in the street.

830
01:10:02,650 --> 01:10:06,490
What if something, you know, this isn't, I'm not insinuating.

831
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:10,930
What if something awful happened and all of a sudden everybody was offended by Jody Shelley?

832
01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:16,110
I'm probably not going to happen, but in the future is in the future.

833
01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:21,750
Yeah, it's straight, it's straight, it's straight, and we did it.

834
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:26,230
It was cordial, and then it was Jody Shelley Drive, so you can change it.

835
01:10:26,350 --> 01:10:34,170
I think that part of, excuse me, part of what we do now, when you know better, you do better.

836
01:10:34,170 --> 01:10:41,230
And so we just don't name streets of any type without some research and thought like

837
01:10:42,170 --> 01:10:45,910
Exactly, Sarah Corning Drive now. Let's hope that Sarah

838
01:10:53,230 --> 01:10:59,430
Historical figure that that's from here deserves to have a you know recognize like that

839
01:10:59,430 --> 01:11:06,350
So are we all I'm just feeling the room. So I'm just wondering if we're okay with the cooling off. Go ahead, Councillor Bough.

840
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:22,870
I'm okay with the cooling off. I think it's important not to erase history and not to cancel history in favor of blandness.

841
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:27,990
So, I would rather see Sarah Corning drive than Breeze drive myself.

842
01:11:30,230 --> 01:11:35,170
I think that I think we have to be careful.

843
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:42,410
I think we have to be respectful, as you say, when you know better, you do better.

844
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:48,830
And I think that we have to own where we were in order to be where we are.

845
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:57,850
And part of owning where we were is, you know, recognizing the history has a place in our life.

846
01:11:58,430 --> 01:12:01,470
So I don't want to cancel history.

847
01:12:03,650 --> 01:12:07,490
Are we all, again, feel in the room?

848
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:09,690
Are we all okay with that cooling off period?

849
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:13,450
Is opposed to taking away the names?

850
01:12:13,630 --> 01:12:14,310
What do you think, a deputy?

851
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:17,300
Go ahead.

852
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:22,860
I guess I'm still thinking about it. I guess how long the period would be. I just know

853
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:27,660
sometimes my frustration, the politics and other things have gotten things done. And if

854
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:32,900
we add a lengthy, you know, sometimes you lose the passion. I guess, you know, people

855
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:38,100
pass away. We like to show respect away right away if we could, you know, two years seems

856
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:43,460
like a while to me, but six months might be nice or what not. But even if I guess in that

857
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:48,300
sense that we could say it's in the planning and it's just sometimes you lose the hype when

858
01:12:48,300 --> 01:12:52,220
you know things happen and you want to get that respect out there as quick as you can

859
01:12:52,220 --> 01:12:57,820
and I wouldn't want to limit herself to not be able to do it I guess. I think it's it's almost

860
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:06,660
you know like renaming out in the square right. We know that we're doing it of course that's different

861
01:13:06,660 --> 01:13:13,000
from the cooling off period you know are we going to do it we're we're definitely going to do that

862
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:19,960
But I think part of what we're trying to combat is that knee jerk reaction that when

863
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,880
people come to council and we get we all everybody on this council gets that you know

864
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,840
the letters and the notes and the emails saying you know my family member and I want to

865
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:35,100
street named and we just can't do that we can't do it so we just have to weigh in measure

866
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:40,160
so I guess how long would be my main question yeah good point yeah

867
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,380
my only suggestion of

868
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:54,060
One year was that that's what I've seen in other jurisdictions, but that wasn't that wasn't my recommendation, which is acknowledgement of what others do.

869
01:13:57,310 --> 01:14:01,810
So Jeff, how do we put that in there so that you know doesn't be how to be?

870
01:14:02,130 --> 01:14:06,690
You just indicate if you want a cooling off period or you know this is advice.

871
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:14,850
So remember this clause is the town council may take the following factors into consideration, right?

872
01:14:14,850 --> 01:14:27,890
And so if we add a clause in there that says, you know, consider a cool enough period or a period of one year when naming after a person, it's a consideration.

873
01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:37,950
That doesn't mean that you can't in a specific circumstance, a future counsel can't look at that and say, well, that doesn't apply here.

874
01:14:38,030 --> 01:14:41,470
That was a may and may apply for most situations, but not in this one.

875
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:54,650
It's not a shall or those shall not, so we can have Reese add a D in there that just provides that cautionary note to account for the future around street name.

876
01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:59,120
Yeah, I don't even know if we have to put a timeline.

877
01:15:00,180 --> 01:15:00,900
You know what I mean?

878
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:31,070
Who will not be here yet? Okay. So your worship, if there's no amendment to the policy, what will happen? Policy doesn't need a recommendation from committee the whole. It'll just show up on your next council agenda for consideration. You have it now. So you have it at least seven days ahead. And if there are any amendments that are brought forward at the meeting or between now and then you can share information with us and we can have the discussion on the 18th of November.

879
01:15:32,430 --> 01:15:35,630
Okay, so do you need that motion?

880
01:15:36,190 --> 01:15:38,650
You can make it if you wish, just so it's dealt with.

881
01:15:38,890 --> 01:15:39,810
Yeah, we need to make it.

882
01:15:41,210 --> 01:15:41,510
Okay.

883
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:43,010
Okay.

884
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:44,710
Councillor Atfield.

885
01:15:45,930 --> 01:15:48,190
Seconded by Councillor Lesnar.

886
01:15:49,170 --> 01:15:49,750
All those in favor?

887
01:15:50,130 --> 01:15:50,270
Aye.

888
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:51,410
Contrary.

889
01:15:51,790 --> 01:15:52,570
Motion carried.

890
01:15:52,830 --> 01:15:53,190
Thank you.

891
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:54,730
Okay.

892
01:15:55,070 --> 01:15:56,730
Lear on correspondence.

893
01:15:56,850 --> 01:15:58,950
We've got correspondence there.

894
01:16:00,230 --> 01:16:02,510
and additions, where I had additions.

895
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:10,520
11A request to present, so the recommended motion is to recommend that Council invite

896
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,000
the Accessibility Advisory Committee to present at a future meeting.

897
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,980
So I don't know who that was.

898
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:27,100
I guess I jotted down a note there or updates from Council, the Council reps.

899
01:16:28,180 --> 01:16:36,360
You know that doesn't matter to me either way, but I think that's the people on the the people from council on these committees.

900
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:45,200
You know we need to at the council meetings ask those questions, you know what and maybe I need to just do that.

901
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:54,920
Is there an update from I think we do a pretty good job if we have questions, but it's yeah up to you folks whatever you want to do there.

902
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:55,940
Yeah,

903
01:17:00,950 --> 01:17:06,330
that you make you're making the motion. Yeah, good. Okay. So, Deputy

904
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:15,980
made the motion. Second by Councillor Balfe. Any discussion? Okay. All those in favor?

905
01:17:18,060 --> 01:17:21,820
Contrary. Okay. Okay. Good.

906
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:25,300
MSCC housing.

907
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:26,280
I don't know.

908
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:26,680
Okay.

909
01:17:26,860 --> 01:17:27,140
Go ahead.

910
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:28,580
Your worship.

911
01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:31,720
This came up just last evening.

912
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:35,940
And I asked Lindsay to put it on the agenda because I think it pertains to an important

913
01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:38,860
issue and we may not want to delay on this.

914
01:17:39,260 --> 01:17:45,700
So last night, the deputy minister Paul LaFlash had a meeting with an online virtual meeting

915
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:49,720
with any CAO or all the CAOs across the province.

916
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:58,160
Just to give an update on the work of the department as it relates to the mandate letter

917
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:03,840
of the minister and kind of have some discussion, 80% of the discussion was around housing.

918
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:10,980
And that just indicates to me that it's a very important aspect of what municipal fairs

919
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:13,300
and housing are going to be doing over the next little while.

920
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:20,380
One of the things that he brought up was that they have a strategy that they feel they're

921
01:18:20,380 --> 01:18:26,620
fully in control of, and that is a college and university housing, and if they create

922
01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:32,460
more college and university housing, that will actually free up housing, other housing

923
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:38,160
in communities for people who right now are looking for affordable, available apartments.

924
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:45,120
So, they have six projects for Nova Scotia Community College currently around the province.

925
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:52,580
Three are implemented and three are have been now approved to create campus style resident

926
01:18:52,580 --> 01:19:00,820
student residents. And what he said is if you are interested if you have an NSCC campus or institution

927
01:19:00,820 --> 01:19:06,700
in your community and you're interested in having them look at the feasibility of student housing

928
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,560
that they would respond to those requests.

929
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:16,700
So we do have a fairly large presence in our community

930
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:18,140
with no discussion community college.

931
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,100
I certainly don't know how many of those people,

932
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:24,020
those students would take up student house

933
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:25,880
and if it was available, but that's the whole point

934
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,320
of the exercise is to ask them to look at it.

935
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,400
And if it is feasible to develop something in the community.

936
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,420
So I want to make you aware of that opportunity,

937
01:19:35,420 --> 01:19:42,160
in case you wanted to have them undertake a study and we could maybe get our name in

938
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:46,620
there as soon as possible if it is something as of interest to you.

939
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:53,920
I'm a thousand percent in favor of this. I'm inundated in late August especially because

940
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:58,720
the students can't find housing and they're looking just even for a simple room whatever

941
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,620
they'll take anything so I think the need is there. Councillor Lesnar?

942
01:20:02,620 --> 01:20:30,800
I was just going to say at the same thing, I just didn't shut my mic off, we need as much housing as we can and I know NSCC students struggle, I think they were 40 something international students coming to NSCC this year that didn't have places to live in the end, I think some of them, many of them found places to live but those students coming here from different countries also or different communities also bring money into the community.

943
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:36,600
beyond like they bought their buying food and all that so the only the only concern

944
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,000
about there are some families as well and I don't like I don't know if they're

945
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,660
whatever whatever consider housing on site that could accommodate like more than

946
01:20:46,660 --> 01:20:51,020
one person but it doesn't to me it doesn't matter we need to get some we need

947
01:20:51,020 --> 01:20:52,600
housing and this would certainly help

948
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:02,140
okay counselor just a question so

949
01:21:02,140 --> 01:21:05,820
So does this, they're asking for the request to come from the town?

950
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:22,600
Yeah, so, you know, he was speaking to CAO's, he said, if you have an NSCC institution in your community or university and you believe that there may be a way to,

951
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:31,140
if there was a student residence that it would relieve pressure on your housing stock and that they'd be willing to do feasibility analysis of that.

952
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:34,380
So I thought that sounds like us.

953
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,620
So I thought they'd better bring two tables quickly as possible.

954
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:44,760
Yeah, I had heard the announcement earlier this week about the building of campuses,

955
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,520
residents campuses for three community colleges.

956
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:54,100
And in thought of our place, I mean, I think there's space up there and everything.

957
01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:59,600
But do we need to have a conversation with the college as well?

958
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:06,400
or do we need to be working with them, Jeff, or how does that, does that, that will be there,

959
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:12,240
their job. I mean, they'll work with the community college in terms of if there's a need,

960
01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:17,480
if it would be on site or not. There are some examples where a community college is not even

961
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:22,800
owned by the province, but that doesn't mean the province could know housing associated with it, right?

962
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:34,180
So I think they're open to anything that the demonstrative need and take some pressure off of the housing issue.

963
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:35,600
Okay, good thanks.

964
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:36,960
This is really good news.

965
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:38,460
So what's the next step?

966
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,560
Because I'm always thinking between Natalie and myself, we're always online with Mary.

967
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:49,480
So sorry, I didn't provide a motion, but a motion to request municipal affairs and housing

968
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:58,280
to lead a feasibility study into student residents associated with the Burge campus.

969
01:22:59,060 --> 01:23:06,340
Okay, good. Second by Councillor Hatfield. Any further discussion? Good. All those in

970
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:13,260
favor? Aye. Contrary. Motion carried. And the Crohn's and Colitis, the recommended motion,

971
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:19,300
whereas lack of access to washrooms is a significant barrier to participating in the daily activities

972
01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:24,480
of life for many, whereas there are programs available that seek to address this lack of

973
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:24,920
access.

974
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:30,620
I move to refer correspondence received from Crohn's and Colitis Canada to the Accessibility

975
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:35,900
Advisory Committee to review whether any of the identified strategies could be employed

976
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:37,380
within the town of the armen.

977
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,540
Did you want to speak to that, Councillor?

978
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:52,580
just that November is Crones Colitis Month throughout Canada and because the

979
01:23:52,580 --> 01:23:57,460
month is coming up I had an opportunity to look at the correspondence and the

980
01:23:57,460 --> 01:24:03,640
programs that they are encouraging communities to initiate and where I

981
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:09,600
know the accessibility committee has been hard at work looking at all forms of

982
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:15,420
accessibility challenges in the town, I thought it would be an appropriate moment to recognize

983
01:24:15,420 --> 01:24:23,760
that sometimes people living with accessibility issues are invisible and amongst that invisible

984
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:33,060
population are people with Crohn's colitis. Crohn's and colitis, the incidence in Nova Scotia

985
01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:39,360
is the highest in Canada, and in Canada is one of the highest incidences in the world.

986
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:48,100
It's an issue that when I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease 44 years ago, I didn't

987
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:56,160
know anybody who had Crohn's disease, and today you can't walk down the street without

988
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:03,460
finding somebody that is not suffering from one of these conditions, and it does affect

989
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:13,160
everyday life, everyday for those who suffer from it. And if there are mechanisms through

990
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:22,320
which communities can make that a little bit easier, and without a lot of money, just awareness,

991
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:38,460
Yes, I think that it is an act and an aspect of accessibility that could be could be looked at so I thought that I would bring that motion forward good. Thank you. Oh, you may that who made a motion.

992
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:40,820
No.

993
01:25:40,820 --> 01:25:42,380
I may have motion.

994
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,040
Deputy seconded.

995
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:45,660
Okay.

996
01:25:46,180 --> 01:25:46,880
Councillor Lesnar.

997
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:53,280
Crohn's inclinus actually did present already to the accessibility advisory committee.

998
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,840
And prior to that we actually brought forth, we did, we actually talked about it prior to

999
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:04,760
them bringing the conserved forward without getting to all the details, but an elbowing gentleman

1000
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:10,220
not with Crohn's inclinus, but had a situation downtown that was trying to find a bathroom

1001
01:26:10,220 --> 01:26:17,120
they could use. And with COVID it's making it harder. What the Crohn's and Colitis brought

1002
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:23,180
to us was, and Natalie might be able to speak better to it, but there's an app that

1003
01:26:23,180 --> 01:26:29,180
they're suggesting we use, and it's, I don't want to say they're on there, but there's an

1004
01:26:29,180 --> 01:26:37,680
app. What is it? Oh, go here. That people can probably promote that we're opening our

1005
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,340
facility for accessibility to bathrooms.

1006
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:48,020
So they brought that to us and I don't think

1007
01:26:48,020 --> 01:26:51,240
we officially have got it off the ground but I think everybody on the committee seemed

1008
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,760
quite interested in it. So I think it's good that we have a motion coming back from

1009
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:04,940
council that we look further into it to make sure that we are in fact taking this further

1010
01:27:04,940 --> 01:27:10,120
to the next step of making sure that we do help those with Crohn's inclinus.

1011
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:16,840
Good. Any further discussion? All those in favor?

1012
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:20,020
Contrary? Motion carried.

1013
01:27:21,100 --> 01:27:24,980
That looks like the end of our business, unless I miss something.

1014
01:27:25,660 --> 01:27:27,680
And we have in camera.

1015
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:30,780
Was there anything else Jeff, you're good before in camera?

1016
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:32,640
Okay,

1017
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:37,670
so a motion to go in camera, folks.

1018
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:39,350
Okay.