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[0:00] Sure, we're good.
[0:04] Okay, we'll call the committee of the whole meeting to order. I'd like to acknowledge
[0:09] that we are on the unseated lands of the McMaw, a record of attendance. Lindsay, yes, that.
[0:16] No absent with regrets. Declarations of conflict of interest, anyone? You can declare at the
[0:22] time of the agenda item.
[0:25] Prove of the agenda, additions or deletions, we do have additions
[0:29] and they are on the agenda request to present
[0:33] in a CC housing and the Crohn's and Colitis Awareness.
[0:37] Is there anything else anybody wanted to add or delete?
[0:44] Good, okay, a motion to approve the agenda
[0:48] with those additions.
[0:50] Deputy Mayor, seconded by Council Hatfield.
[0:53] All those in favor?
[0:55] Aye.
[0:56] Contrary.
[0:57] Motion carried.
[0:59] Okay, no presentation.
[1:01] So staff report, CAO report, that's in front of us.
[1:04] Are there any questions for the CAO?
[1:08] Jeff, is there anything you needed to share or you're good?
[1:15] Okay, fire department report and the fire chief is here.
[1:21] Anything for the chief?
[1:25] Go ahead, Deputy.
[1:27] I was at the school last week when the fire alarm was pulled
[1:31] and I just wanted to give a shout out to our department
[1:33] who got there very quickly stayed well after what most would help clean up, put it in their time,
[1:40] and it was very much appreciated by the school staff, and I just want to say thank you,
[1:44] and I know you've been really busy the last few days of fires around, and I've heard you on
[1:47] the radio and other places, so just thanks for the good work you guys are doing.
[1:55] Good, anyone else?
[1:59] Okay, good. Operational services and chat is here as well.
[2:04] anybody has any questions there?
[2:09] On that report?
[2:15] Go ahead, Councillor there.
[2:17] Yes, but I noticed in the report there's a mention of the assessment of the crosswalk,
[2:23] particularly at Pleasant and Herbert, is it? And just the safety of that crosswalk.
[2:32] And although I don't think it's a huge problem, I haven't witnessed any accidents there.
[2:37] I did notice one night that there was a pedestrian that was almost struck.
[2:42] The person was wearing dark clothing and crossed the street thinking that the car would
[2:47] stop and it was a very close call, but what I noticed was that it seems to be very poor
[2:52] lighting at that particular intersection at night, and I'm wondering if there's ever
[2:56] been a dark hours audit done of the crosswalks, the major crosswalks in town, I would have
[3:02] back to every single crosswalk, but those major intersections?
[3:07] No, I don't know if we've ever done actually dark hours on it. That's a good point.
[3:14] And I think the lady who brought up the address for other concerns about this particular
[3:21] crosswalk, she witnesses cars not stopping even in midday for pedestrians that are waiting
[3:27] across.
[3:31] But the dark on it, the dark sky out is probably a good thing. We do have some
[3:37] options there, but I don't think a viable option would be to make that a four-way stop or
[3:42] another signalized intersection. I wouldn't think so either. I think that was brought to our
[3:46] former traffic authority and he did some research and it wasn't. In my limited role as a
[3:51] traffic authority, I would have said no, that's not a good place for a four-way stop. We can certainly
[3:56] But just that night, it is not very well let for sure.
[4:00] Yeah, like there's a street light on the Jason Paul there or not, but we can, we can
[4:06] include that in our assessment as I indicated in the report, we've reached out to the RSMP,
[4:11] look for a collision history at that intersection.
[4:14] I know in the past there's been maybe even a fatality there, I think 10 years ago or so.
[4:21] So the night time audits, probably a good idea.
[4:24] Okay. Thank you. You know something else and this is so basic. It might be time to do another
[4:33] campaign around safety. People are I mean it happens to every one of us I'm sure. People just walk
[4:40] out into the crosswalk thinking somebody's been stopped for me. They don't walk or they're on their
[4:47] phones or they're let's all be honest about it right? They just out they go. It's on Main Street. It's
[4:53] on the side streets, you can't just cross without looking both ways and making sure those
[4:58] cars have stopped. And that's a hard one to say publicly, but there's a lot of truth
[5:04] to it. Go ahead, Councillor.
[5:06] Well, Councillor Belhatfield might recall a wise man once questioning if it hurts less
[5:13] if he gets hit in a crosswalk. And it was a very good point.
[5:17] Go
[5:24] ahead, Councilor Leicester.
[5:25] Just as well when they report the two paving projects,
[5:28] are the sidewalk on Toker, Pleasant the Green,
[5:32] and paving of Jarvis, are the Jarvis Road,
[5:37] are awesome additions to this out there,
[5:40] and thank you for moving on those.
[5:45] Anything else there for Chad?
[5:50] Thank you.
[5:51] Oh, I did want to say this.
[5:52] I may as well say it here.
[5:53] I got a call from a lady. I want to say on Baker Street your team was out the
[6:01] night before last maybe and she said they just worked through everything and
[6:11] she just sung your praises and I said I will absolutely pass it on. I was going
[6:15] to send you a note but pass it on to the to the folks that did that they were
[6:20] really yeah it was really notice yeah good thank you anyone else for good go
[6:29] ahead they're deputy I'm not sure if this is a you or a Natalie thing but I've
[6:34] had a few concerns with the some seniors getting in contact about the bus
[6:39] route just basically I believe it doesn't go to the beacon seniors it doesn't
[6:45] go to Murphy Avenue seniors and there's two on parades street that it doesn't
[6:49] doesn't go to. Just I know we had some discussion before of all kind of looking at
[6:54] at least some maybe stops. Where goes with there's not a lot of kind of pickups
[6:58] or whatnot. And if we could kind of chat maybe about a better room. I know at
[7:02] one time we started a committee that didn't really get rolling but I know there's
[7:06] some some mothers and fathers including mine who would like to to maybe have a stop
[7:12] at their seniors and other people as well. So just something to kind of maybe put
[7:16] on the reader. Go ahead. Go ahead. So when we just recently reappointed
[7:21] committees, we appointed a transit nominating committee. And the role of that
[7:27] group is to nominate people for the Transit Advisory Committee. And once the
[7:31] Transit Advisory Committee is formed, then they can look at things such as the
[7:39] and the vice councilwoman. Thank you. Good. Anyone else? Thanks, Ted. Planning and development.
[7:50] The Natalie's here and the board is there. Go ahead, Councillor Happily.
[8:04] Hi, Natalie. I'm just more ahead of question about the street escape. When in the rendering,
[8:13] The chairs were red, green, and blue, and when they were put in they were all blue.
[8:20] So when I questioned the architect, I think you believe it was there the day.
[8:25] He said that they asked about the red chairs and he said that they were in storage and
[8:29] how a fact.
[8:30] So I asked if some of them could be brought down and they were there, not red or peachy,
[8:34] but there's certainly pretty an ad to it.
[8:36] So I guess my question is, what about the green chairs?
[8:39] So they also in storage or I will defer that to the engineer.
[8:48] Okay.
[8:49] Okay.
[8:50] Can you look?
[8:50] Yeah.
[8:50] Because in the renderings there were like this kind of liney green chair and these red,
[8:55] well they said red, but they were peach, but none of them were in place at the opening.
[9:02] So I asked the gentleman that was there and he said that they were in Halifax.
[9:07] So I said, well, perhaps they would look nice on me in street near them.
[9:12] So some of them were brought down, and they look really nice.
[9:15] But I'm just thinking with the ferry coming next year, hopefully,
[9:18] that it would really be nice to have that pop of green in there.
[9:23] And the other thing I questioned him that day about was an information panel explaining
[9:30] what the whole street scape was about.
[9:33] And he said that there was one in process to go on the bus.
[9:37] I believe it's November.
[9:38] Yeah, and so that's still in process is it for now.
[9:41] I'm just thinking in long term for next year
[9:43] that kind of get those things.
[9:44] I will complete the project.
[9:46] Perfect.
[9:47] Thanks.
[9:48] Thank you.
[9:50] Anyone else?
[9:51] Or Natalie?
[9:54] Good.
[9:55] Thank you.
[9:57] OK, engineering.
[9:58] And our engineer is here.
[9:59] Any questions for our engineer?
[10:10] Good.
[10:11] I met with Bay Fairies yesterday,
[10:14] just down in their second story
[10:17] where they're doing their little bit of training.
[10:21] So, if the boat isn't in the boat in the harbor now,
[10:25] if it isn't, it will be tomorrow.
[10:26] Yes.
[10:27] The ferry will be.
[10:29] Yeah.
[10:30] Yeah.
[10:30] I did some interviews with Halifax Radio too,
[10:32] just because that ferry in the harbor sends such a strong message, you know, it's
[10:40] coming. They're doing some of their trials. They're ready in Bar Harbour.
[10:46] You know, all
[10:47] those pieces, all those pieces are coming together, so we're really excited. Go ahead,
[10:53] there, Deputy. Just more for public notice, I notice in the report where it says the Vancouver
[10:58] street and Main Street intersection is in design I get a lot of questions about
[11:04] that so just kind of putting it out there to let the public know that it is in
[11:07] the planning stages is something we'll be coming so just wanted to let the
[11:11] public know.
[11:14] Good anyone else?
[11:18] Okay, finance. Jerry's here. You know the question
[11:24] We got money. Sometimes we don't want it out. Any questions for Jerry?
[11:33] Okay.
[11:34] And the Army's recreation.
[11:38] Any questions there?
[11:48] Okay.
[11:53] Certainly. Oh, sorry.
[11:57] Go ahead. It occurs to me that it sounds like we're not asking any questions.
[12:02] But I think if anyone reads the reports and sees how detailed they are, they'll understand
[12:08] why you guys don't leave any room for questions.
[12:12] Thank you.
[12:13] That's a great point.
[12:18] Okay.
[12:19] We're good for a report.
[12:20] So, down to business, waterfront development, and Jeff can speak to this one, but the recommended
[12:27] motion is to recommend that Council request staff develop a terms of reference for a waterfront
[12:32] advisory committee and to recommend that Council authorize the wind-up of the
[12:37] Airmen's Waterfront Development Corporation resting all of its assets with
[12:42] the talent of the Airmen. So did you want to? Yeah, I think I should put some
[12:47] context around this if you have a minute.
[12:53] So the Waterfront Development
[12:54] corporation was formed in 1993 and its mandate was to improve water street and I'm making
[13:08] this up from observation I don't have the document with the bylaws but it was to turn
[13:14] water street into something more than an industrial street to give it pedestrian, make it pedestrian
[13:24] family, make it people-friendly, create a destination for tourists and for people who
[13:28] live in the area to enjoy what many communities were enjoying in terms of a waterfront.
[13:35] And they did a fantastic job.
[13:38] I had tried today to locate a slideshow that Dave Warner had presented back in 2004.
[13:50] At that point, the progress they had made in terms of transforming water street and until
[13:56] you look at those old photos from the 80s, it's hard to appreciate just how much water
[14:02] street was transformed through the projects that the corporation did.
[14:07] There were no sidewalks, it wasn't pedestrian friendly, there was no kilombs worth, it was an
[14:13] industrial truly purely working waterfront.
[14:18] At one time there was a train track running running down through.
[14:23] The work that they did was assisted through Bob Hartland and then Jim Corning, who worked
[14:32] with property owners, worked with government agencies, secured funding, and ultimately
[14:39] got buy-in for the projects that they put forward.
[14:44] We're very fortunate to have had that work done and it didn't happen overnight and it didn't happen without a vision.
[14:51] It didn't happen without citizen engagement. We had people on that board for probably the entirety.
[14:58] I don't have
[15:00] The original Board of Directors, but I would suggest there's some names that are the same today as they were when it started a few of them.
[15:11] But there hasn't been, I guess, we're kind of past the golden age of a waterfront development, when there were specific programs that were designed to do just the kind of work that they did. And it was formed and it was created as a company, not as an offer profit, not as a municipal corporation.
[15:29] of it as a company because as a company it had certain advantages in attracting funding
[15:34] that we could take advantage of.
[15:37] The town is a sole shareholder of that company and so it is our corporation and as far as
[15:43] local funding goes, the towning arms has been the sponsor of the local share of the projects
[15:50] that have taken place there.
[15:53] So probably a decade ago, probably ten years ago, the funding for the kinds of projects
[15:59] that we got used to with street scape and trees and stages on the waterfront. Those things
[16:07] kind of dried up a bit. The last major project that was done comes to mind as the loss to
[16:14] the sea memorial, which is quite a project in itself. That was a major project, but I think it was
[16:20] the last one that they were able to do. And that's not for any lack of vision or effort. It's just
[16:28] simply that the funding that used to be very segmented and specific has become more general.
[16:34] So the funding competes with water sewer projects and green projects that towns and municipalities
[16:42] want to get done. So the work of the waterfront corporation has to a certain degree turned into creating these interpretive panels.
[16:55] again that we enjoy and tell the story of Yarmouth and its waterfront and its history.
[17:00] We have many interpretive panels along our waterfront that are person visiting our waterfront
[17:05] if they're truly interested can spend hours learning about our past and how it connects
[17:12] to the present.
[17:15] The meanwhile, I guess, as they transformed water street to the waterfront from a very industrial
[17:22] space to a people-friendly space, the rather changes
[17:25] is happening. The port, the Port of Yarmouth once divested from a federal-owned and operated
[17:32] warf to a locally-owned and operated warf, which is the Industrial Commission currently
[17:37] manages. The very situation changed from a federally-operated ferry service to a federally-owned
[17:45] ferry terminal to a provincially-operated ferry service and a locally-owned ferry terminal.
[17:54] And so the mandate, some of the local mandates or some of the local holdings are kind of
[18:01] alongside the waterfront corporation, which is also local.
[18:05] And instead of having one local presence dealing with several federally owned properties
[18:12] and privately owned properties, we now have several local attachments to the waterfront,
[18:18] which is probably a good thing.
[18:23] But the narrow mandate of the Waterfront Corporation
[18:26] of doing these infrastructure projects,
[18:28] as I say, that has slowed.
[18:30] Well, at the same time, our interests
[18:32] on the Waterfront have become more numerous.
[18:36] A few years ago, when the activity of the Waterfront
[18:39] clearly slowed down as had the meetings,
[18:43] the idea was brought forward to this council
[18:45] to look at winding up the waterfront corporation.
[18:49] And Council of the Day was supportive of that initiative,
[18:53] so meaning of the waterfront corporation
[18:56] in January, without looking on to say 2019,
[19:01] the idea was discussed.
[19:03] The members present, and I've spoke to some members
[19:06] who've been there for a very long time,
[19:08] I think they felt when it was presented in hindsight,
[19:12] I think they felt like we didn't appreciate what the waterfront corporation had achieved
[19:18] and that certainly isn't the case.
[19:23] It's a matter of there are other things that we need to be mindful of and coordinated
[19:28] with on the waterfront, such as land use planning, such as our waterfront strategy that we
[19:34] have and we can get into that someday in terms of what's involved in that and what else
[19:41] we want to include in it. But the mandate of the waterfront goes beyond simply making
[19:47] it pedestrian and tourism friendly. How do we prepare it and ensure that its future
[19:53] development is just as exciting as the last 30 years? So I'm suggesting that we wind
[20:01] up the corporation as a separate corporate brand, any corporate entity. The reasons for that
[20:06] that are really to give it a broader mandate
[20:09] and frankly to save a little bit of money.
[20:12] As a separate corporate entity,
[20:13] we pay HST on grants that we give to a waterfront corporation.
[20:18] We pay for separate audit.
[20:19] We pay separate insurance.
[20:21] There is probably, I'm believing it's in the area
[20:25] of $20,000 that we spend every year
[20:28] to maintain that corporation.
[20:30] And it's the benefit of having it
[20:32] separate corporation is diminished. As a waterfront advisory committee I see it
[20:40] as a committee that advises council directly on all things waterfront so
[20:47] whether it's a rezoning on water street or a a contemplation of ATVs on
[20:54] water street or anything else that that maybe is an infrastructure but really
[21:00] affects the dynamic or the field of water street.
[21:06] I think those things should go to an advisory committee to ensure a consistency in strategy.
[21:13] So I'm suggesting I'm asking for council's endorsement to go to convene a waterfront
[21:21] development corporation meeting and ask that they consider a motion to wind up and to turn
[21:26] their assets over to the town, assets and liabilities. At this point I think their assets, they may
[21:32] have a little bit of cash in the bank. That would be money that we would have put in the bank.
[21:37] And they have, they own a numbered company that owns the piece of land that's just south of
[21:43] lobster rock wharf. So if you go down today, you'll see a number of fishing vessels. There,
[21:50] that property is being used by the hope-building operation across the street. So other than that,
[21:57] I don't know that they own any other assets. So that's what I'm asking is that we do those two
[22:04] things, wind up the corporation and establish a broader mandated advisory committee.
[22:10] So I didn't know that there was... Jerry, is there money in that account? I didn't think there was
[22:25] Yes, because there's monthly checks coming out for.
[22:41] Yeah, so we give a grant annually to the development court and it's based on their budget.
[22:48] So then yes, so we put some money in their account for them then we cut checks or that.
[22:51] But as Jeff would mention, part of the process that is the HST component because in the past,
[22:57] all the assets that they developed were then turned over to the town.
[23:02] So as you mentioned, most of the assets right now are already in an included on the towns as that list
[23:08] Yeah, and then there's those the checks that come out monthly for the consultants
[23:13] That yeah, that's that's in the grant. Yeah, so they have their own bank accounts that other stuff. Yes. Okay. Yeah
[23:20] All right, go ahead
[23:23] Thank you worship wasn't that long ago
[23:25] So that we have consultants to look at the waterfront wasn't totally enamored with that
[23:34] particular report they gave us but we did have one done and it does seem to be the
[23:40] time to move on and to start this process of looking at what happens to the future of
[23:49] the waterfront.
[23:50] And so I'd be happy to make those motions.
[23:53] To me, I could combine the two.
[23:55] If you want them separate, that's fine as well.
[23:57] It doesn't matter.
[23:58] But I'll make the motion that we wind up the Yarmouth Waterfront
[24:02] Development Corporation, best the assets
[24:04] to the town of Yarmouth, and then have counsel,
[24:07] develop as terms of reference for Waterfront Advisory Committee.
[24:14] OK, moved and seconded.
[24:16] So I agree with this.
[24:18] And when we do this within that process, I think the folks on that committee know just how valued they have always been.
[24:33] They've sat at the table, they're the experts, they work on the working waterfront, their community citizens.
[24:40] They've just given their heart and soul to this and it's just really important.
[24:44] I think they know, but that they really understand how much we value all the work that's been done.
[24:51] We're just going to do things differently, and I don't know who ends up on that advisory committee,
[24:57] but these folks, they've always been wide open to advise us anyway regardless of whether they were sitting on the committee or not.
[25:09] So yeah, just some great folks there.
[25:12] So I'm fully in support of this as well.
[25:15] Is there anyone else?
[25:19] Go ahead, Councillor.
[25:22] So I see this really as a continuum.
[25:29] The CAO, thank you, by the way, thank you, your worship.
[25:34] The CAO referenced the beginning of the Waterfront Development Corporation.
[25:40] and it's in its mandate to create a working waterfront that was accessible to ordinary
[25:51] residents and tourists.
[25:54] So there was a recognition that there was a value in the waterfront beyond the industrial
[26:00] use that it had been originally created for.
[26:04] I think that if you take it back a few steps beyond the Waterfront Development Corporation
[26:11] and you look at the development of the sewage treatment plant and the pickup of all of
[26:20] the collector's sewers along Water Street and through the Lake Milo Strat that preceded
[26:26] the Waterfront Development Corporation's formation.
[26:29] You see the beginning of the continuum, which nothing would have been done on the waterfront
[26:36] if it had not been for that original project that cleaned up our harbor, because who would
[26:43] want to go to a harbor that is filthy and stinking and dirty.
[26:47] So when I look at the evolution in time, I recognize that the waterfront development came in
[26:56] And on the back end of that cleanup of the harbor, and they created an incredible jewel
[27:02] downtown that allows the industrial, commercial part of the waterfront to continue to function,
[27:11] but does it in a way that makes it accessible to residents and pedestrians and tourists,
[27:18] so that it's real, it's authentic, and it creates an experience that is not Disneyland.
[27:25] land. It's the real deal. And maybe what has happened is that the corporation as an entity
[27:35] that was creating the jewel has completed its task and now it's time to move on to ensure
[27:47] or that all of the silos, the industrial silo, the manufacturing silo, the recreational
[27:54] silo, the tourist silo, the commercial silo, all of those things pull together in a unified
[28:02] way so that each is working with the other rather than perhaps in their own special areas.
[28:10] And so I see the advisory committee as an opportunity to pull from all of those different spheres
[28:17] and have everyone at the table at the same time so that the port authority and the ferry
[28:23] terminal and the private commercial operations that are so critical to our economy all have
[28:33] a place at the table.
[28:34] So I am supporting the motion with the recognition that this is just a place in the process.
[28:44] Yes, it's not a beginning or an end, it's just an evolution and I value so much the work
[28:50] that's been done and I think that there's a lot more that's going to be needed in
[28:55] the future.
[28:56] Thank you.
[28:57] Yes, thank you.
[28:59] Councillor Dave.
[29:01] I'd like to echo those sentiments.
[29:03] I think this is just a change of the mechanism, not an abandonment of anything and I think we
[29:09] should publicly acknowledge the accomplishments of the Waterfront Development Corporation.
[29:15] I moved here in the early 80s and I can tell you that Water Street wasn't a very pleasant
[29:20] place to spend any time although I did spend a lot of time there on duty but it's been
[29:28] so amazing accomplishments down there and I think we haven't selected the committee yet so
[29:33] I don't think it's um I don't think necessarily that everybody's going to be um left at the
[29:40] fold that wants to be involved so I look forward to the change thank you
[29:47] good okay anyone
[29:50] else okay
[29:55] all those in favor I contrary motion
[30:01] Okay,
[30:04] so the next one is the bike lanes and the recommended motion there is to recommend that
[30:09] council support the implementation of a bike lane network on the arterial and collector streets
[30:14] of sufficient width and with the approval of the attractive authority.
[30:21] So that doesn't mean we're just going to go build them tomorrow if everything has to be looked
[30:26] to and yeah. Okay. Second by the deputy. Any discussion?
[30:37] Go ahead deputy. I think it's
[30:39] important that the public knows that basically this is coming forward is forward thinking
[30:43] because of the recent paving of Prairie Street. It's not like we're going to put bike lanes on every
[30:49] single street downtown and everywhere. There is a plan. It probably wouldn't. It won't go into the
[30:53] downtown. I've seen some concerns online about that. But this is basically, you know, make
[30:58] make our town a little more accessible with bikes, where we have the transportation trails
[31:03] out in the Ailey Road or what not, bring people down, and I think this is none in other
[31:07] places I know Councilor Hatfield mentioned over in Europe, it's quite common and what
[31:11] not.
[31:12] You know, our plan to reduce our carbon footprint and what not, I think this just goes along
[31:16] with it.
[31:16] So, I mean, really in all and all if we did start on Parade Street, if it didn't work, it
[31:20] would be simple as some lines get to fade away, and we don't do it, and if it actually catches
[31:25] on, it's something that could be much more productive.
[31:27] So, you know, we don't have a lot to lose here in a whole lot to gain.
[31:30] I think that puts our town on the map as something else that kind of, you know, we're looking forward to and it's not that cost, you know, a couple hundred bucks or some paint and, you know, the go from there.
[31:40] So I think this is a plan in motion and the public should know that and, you know, you start small and you work out from there and who knows, right?
[31:47] So, just a heads up on that to the public once again.
[31:53] I was expecting, I guess, when I got on council that I would hear more from people about
[32:00] things that we discussed that council and it doesn't seem to be happening much.
[32:05] But this is actually one that decids some attention.
[32:09] And I was expecting it to have negative attention because I saw some comments online.
[32:13] But every person that contacted me said they're full favor of the bike lane, which is interesting
[32:19] because it kind of represents, I think, what really happens in the real world that people
[32:25] like to go online and complain about things, but in person they, you know, the people
[32:30] who are in favor of things don't necessarily want to talk about it.
[32:34] But, you know, the comments that I've heard from people are around how difficult it's been
[32:40] the city to make this happen. Some negative comments I've read were around.
[32:49] There's not
[32:50] a lot of people biking, but then the positive comments that is because there's no bike
[32:54] links. So I think if we do this we can we can encourage more people to bike. It's a good
[33:01] thing for the town.
[33:05] Bill, they will come. So you may recall that when we first had the
[33:12] conversation about the bike lanes on Parade Street. I was a little bit reluctant and through
[33:17] the course of the conversation and the discussion that evening, my change of mind. And I see
[33:23] where this fits well into the Active Transportation Master Plan, the Integrated Community Sustainability
[33:28] Plan. And I think the opportunity to begin this process on Parade Street is there and we should
[33:40] take advantage of it and move forward. I think it's great.
[33:47] You guys changed my mind by the way.
[33:50] You know what? Isn't that the beauty of this council and be able to put everything out there?
[33:57] I love it. As you've changed my mind a couple of times.
[34:03] Yeah. I am certainly for this. I think it is
[34:07] is a visionary and it's where we, what the positive changes we need to be doing as a
[34:13] town, change is often difficult for a lot most of us, but I think that once we do this
[34:21] people will see the benefit from it and it's like Councillor Berry said that if it doesn't
[34:29] work, you just watch off the paint and put new paint and new lines for parking. It's not
[34:35] a lot of costs, I'll be costing and it is a very time, it's the right time to do it.
[34:40] I also think of the new Mariners Center being built to the expansion in the pool and stuff
[34:46] going out on Jody Shelley ride and this would certainly feed into the ability for the youth
[34:53] and young people to be able to get on the bike and ride safely out through Prairie Street
[34:58] on the Jody Shelley Drive to get to the new pool and stuff when that is in place.
[35:02] So I think that that's that I'd be consideration
[35:10] Okay, there's a motion on the floor
[35:14] All those in favor I
[35:16] Contrary
[35:18] Motion carried. Thank you
[35:20] The next one is the Ameth welcomes sign on forestry and the recommended motion is to recommend the council direct staff to refinish the welcome
[35:28] The Ameth sign on forestry to include welcome in Migma
[35:33] French and English languages
[35:34] So I put that on there, I had a conversation actually with Jeff Purti at the
[35:41] Acadia First Nation. We were just talking about a few issues and that sign needs
[35:48] to be returned, but say for what it is, that sign really needs to be refinished.
[35:54] And you know, we were excited about the ferry coming back and we all know, you
[36:02] back and forth with family members and friends and things like that. The
[36:07] Acadian connection is huge and so is the first nation, so are the first
[36:14] nations. So, you know, to add that to the sign when we redo it because it does
[36:20] need to read down, I think it just goes a long way. Not just in our community, but
[36:25] also when the folks are coming off that boat, it's a huge message. It says who
[36:30] We are that we're, you know, we're there.
[36:33] So go ahead back, House of Cleveland.
[36:35] Thank you, worship.
[36:36] I don't think we can say welcome enough on it's late.
[36:40] And it definitely needs to be done.
[36:42] I'm happy to make the motion.
[36:44] I want to ask all of you, if you'd seen the photo,
[36:50] there was one that I shared on social media
[36:54] while back of a mural that was painted in Halifax
[36:58] on the side of the building. Very large one. I was planning on sending it to Bell as a matter of fact, but I never got to it.
[37:05] I apologize and I will, but I'd love to see that. I'd love to see, I've always thought of, and I know Councillor Lesnar has mentioned before about some kind of a spot where people can have their pictures taken, maybe with a, you know, in the same way that you can go to the Toronto sign, you could go to the Yarmouth sign with whatever may it be a lobster or whatever.
[37:27] But this is a great again first step. Let's welcome everybody. There's many languages as we can think of. I
[37:35] Would like to make that motion
[37:38] Seconded anyone else all
[37:45] those in favor? I
[37:46] Contrary motion carried. Thank you
[37:50] 90 invitation to present the recommended motion there is to recommend that council invite AFN counselor Jeff Purdy to share
[37:58] presentation regarding artifacts and the education piece required here in. So thank
[38:05] you, moved by Councillor Dare, second by Councillor Halfield. So in a nutshell, in our conversation
[38:12] and I think folks are aware of this anyway. There's lots of sites where they are finding
[38:19] artifacts and they date back, they date way back and I know that out at Lake Vaughan, they
[38:28] they are doing that now among a number of other places and bluntly put, because that's
[38:37] who I am. People are going in there and taking artifacts, which is wrong on every level.
[38:43] I think that what's the word about?
[38:48] I think what you're looking for is illegal. Thank you.
[38:53] I was trying to be a little bit diplomatic, which I'm usually not, but it is illegal
[38:58] to take these artifacts and, you know, I've seen Councillor Perty in videos and explaining
[39:09] this process and what's going on and his passion for this is just, it's unbelievable.
[39:17] So we just thought, you know, he could come here and explain to us at a council meeting.
[39:22] And then that also provides, because it'll be on E-Slink,
[39:28] you know, it's like an information session for the public,
[39:33] so that they would understand exactly, you know,
[39:36] what this is about, the history,
[39:39] and of course the message around,
[39:41] because they do have people out there watching the site,
[39:45] but they can't contain everyone.
[39:49] And so, yeah, I just thought it would be a great idea and really interesting to have him come in and present to us.
[39:57] So, there we are.
[39:59] Anybody?
[40:01] Are you good?
[40:02] Okay.
[40:02] All those in favor?
[40:04] Aye.
[40:04] Contrary.
[40:05] Motion carried.
[40:06] Thank you.
[40:08] Doug Freezone and Central Business District.
[40:10] And that's from Councillor Daires.
[40:12] The recommended motion is to recommend that Councillor direct staff to look into having the Central Business District a Doug Freezone.
[40:19] Go ahead there, Councillor.
[40:21] So I'll make the motion and if there's a seconder, I'd just like to add some comment.
[40:29] Okay, go ahead.
[40:30] So this came as a result of discussion with a former town Councillor who happened to be
[40:36] in the downtown area when a lady was walking two large dogs on lengthy leashes and people
[40:43] were scattering around.
[40:44] They were crossing the street and giving her a very wide birth.
[40:47] He felt that with the pending return of the ferry traffic and the tours in the area
[40:54] that perhaps we should consider having dogs restricted from the downtown core.
[41:01] I know that's going to be a controversial thing but quite honestly I've always been
[41:04] a dog owner and there's all kinds of places to walk your dog without going down through
[41:08] the business district.
[41:10] I would suggest that probably people with service dogs would see it differently.
[41:15] But anyway, I just thought if it's feasible, I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if it's feasible, perhaps staff could take a look at it and just think whether or not it's doable.
[41:30] Okay.
[41:31] Anyway, I'll leave it at that.
[41:36] Go ahead.
[41:37] Okay. I have a strong opinion, and it's as long as I breathe, I'm never going to support this.
[41:42] And I never say never, but I will never support this.
[41:46] It seems ironic to me that at the same time we want to put out welcome signs we're going
[41:51] to try to ban dogs in our central business district, an area where there's lots of foot traffic
[41:57] and lots of people walking, lots of people walking their dogs.
[42:01] And yes, we do have tourists, you know, also of citizens.
[42:07] And I just, I would never support this.
[42:11] There are service dogs to look at, there are just, it's complicated, it's probably pretty
[42:19] difficult to enforce, and it sends absolutely the wrong message as far as I'm concerned.
[42:25] Thank you.
[42:27] Yeah, but you know what?
[42:29] We have to put everything on the table, and that's fair, Deputy.
[42:34] So two things, actually, number one, the point that was brought up earlier about
[42:39] disagreeing at the table and being able to discuss it. I think this is exactly what
[42:43] you were speaking to. I'm actually on the side with Wade here, but I always
[42:48] respect the fact that we bring what the citizens want forward. We discuss it in a
[42:53] respectful manner, and we always come up with some type of agreement. As Gil said
[42:57] earlier, he changed his mind on some things. My mind has just has been changed
[43:00] before. So I think that's important. We don't always have to vote nay, but I think the
[43:04] ability to talk openly about what we agree and disagree on is really important here.
[43:09] So, respectful just for bringing it up, but I do agree with Wade. A bit of guilty pleasure
[43:14] for myself, I guess. I do walk my dog every night on me and myself, and I do see the regular
[43:19] people that we pass. It's almost like a community sometimes. I know there are other businesses
[43:24] as well downtown who are dog-friendly. I know Heritage is a big one with the patio
[43:29] a little friend in the summer, I know that's a huge pick up for them to be able to pick your dog up and come down in the bulls are there, and you know,
[43:36] Kelty with Shoka, and you know what not. So it's great. So I guess my personal opinion would be I wouldn't support it either, but I certainly respect Councillor Derrish for bringing it up.
[43:47] Yeah, it's just, I think with Councillor Wade, it's more welcoming that we do that, being a dog guy, and like I said, I go on main quite a bit.
[43:56] I do appreciate the doggy bags that are on Alma Square.
[44:00] They come in quite useful because my dog doesn't seem to want to do anything that's up
[44:03] on sidewalk.
[44:04] So I appreciate that we can pick that up and keep our streets clean as well.
[44:08] Some people don't see those doggy bags.
[44:10] That's part of the problem.
[44:15] Councillor, this is Councillor Hatfield.
[44:17] Okay.
[44:18] Yeah.
[44:19] Thank you to Councillor Dares for bringing that up.
[44:23] I as well would not support it, although I do know the feeling of walking downtown and having not so pleasant looking dogs going by you and being, you know, taking the second look at them and maybe crossing the street.
[44:39] So I do appreciate that aspect because I have been fearful at times.
[44:45] But I think of the shop owners who do benefit from having people walk by with dogs.
[44:54] As Councillor Berry mentioned, the heritage, I mean, I'm sure that they would not be in favor of it.
[45:00] All of this because they promote that. They have the dogs come in and people come and spend the afternoon with their dog, you know, and it brings business into that business and other shops, you know, people are walking their dog. They're looking in the shop windows are seeing things that they might want to go back and buy, right? So people are always window shopping when they're when they're walking with with or without their dog. So yeah, I don't see it as being one that would have great benefit to the town. And I think
[45:29] I don't think it's a big problem as it is, so I would not be supporting it.
[45:40] Thank you, Your Worship. I gave this a lot of thought. I wanted to give it a full
[45:52] airing in my mind and the first problem that occurred to me was whether or not dog
[46:03] dog grooming pet stores, et cetera, are allowed in the central business district.
[46:08] And I think they are their personal services.
[46:10] Is that, am I right about that?
[46:13] So it would require a land use bylaw change, I think, because how can you have a dog going
[46:20] into a pet store to be groomed in the central business district if we don't allow dogs?
[46:26] So that was one of the concerns that immediately came to mind.
[46:33] The other thing that I thought about was the bylaw that we have in place now for poop
[46:42] and scoop.
[46:43] And I just wondered when was the last citation given for someone failing to pick up after
[46:52] their animal in the town, the arm of this, this, this, gosh, you've got to find, catch them.
[46:57] First, that's the problem.
[47:00] Go ahead.
[47:01] We have one conviction.
[47:04] Okay.
[47:05] Good.
[47:06] I'm glad that we've had one.
[47:10] So it, I'm just a little concerned about adding layers of enforcement on layers of enforcement
[47:21] when perhaps they're difficult to enforce to begin with.
[47:28] So I'm not going to support the motion, and I do think
[47:36] that it's important as a council that I mitigate efforts
[47:43] to control and constrain activities with the need
[47:49] for good governance.
[47:50] So I think it's a little bit of an overreach and I can't support it.
[47:54] Thank you.
[47:55] Good.
[47:55] Thank you.
[47:57] Go ahead, Gasser.
[47:59] So for the record, I gave my word that I would bring the motion, bring the issue forward.
[48:08] I don't want my dog downtown, but because he's a fool.
[48:14] for the same reason I don't take them shopping a Canadian tire, but I did see in the conversation
[48:25] I did understand what the person was raising, I understood the issue, I did feel that it
[48:31] was probably uninforcible and would probably cause more problems for dog owners than it would
[48:41] resolved, so to be honest, I wasn't in favor of it, but I did think that I had to bring
[48:47] it forward.
[48:48] Thank you.
[48:49] You know, this one, and I have to say, like, I'm with everybody else, I respect the fact
[48:56] that you brought it, because that's what we do, and that we have that open discussion.
[49:01] But it reminds me of the crosswalks in some time.
[49:11] times. I think that sometimes we look at things backwards, right? The issue is not most
[49:18] of the dogs on Main Street. It's the one or two or three dogs, right? So we can't, it's
[49:24] hard to write policy and bylaws around the few, although I have sat here 50 times and said
[49:34] We write the rules for those folks that don't follow them in the first place.
[49:41] That's why they need rules.
[49:43] You know, it's the same as the crosswalks that we, and not Derek,
[49:50] no, I don't mean yours, but there's some that we get requests for.
[49:54] We can't put a crosswalk on every corner because somebody walked out in front of a car
[49:59] or a car didn't see something.
[50:01] I think it's really, it's really difficult, but what makes it easier are the conversation.
[50:06] So I just want to say thank you to everybody for putting everything on the table.
[50:10] So let's vote on that motion.
[50:13] All those in favor?
[50:15] Opposed?
[50:16] Okay.
[50:17] Okay.
[50:18] That's right.
[50:19] Gosh.
[50:22] That's all good, you know, because people are probably just wondering, do they even pay attention
[50:27] I don't know what they're talking about.
[50:29] Okay.
[50:32] I
[50:36] must have missed one here.
[50:38] I got the stop sign at Waverly to recommend that Council direct staff
[50:42] to investigate a stop sign at Waverly and Pleasant Street.
[50:46] Go ahead, Councillor.
[50:48] So this was actually another similar to Councillor Dares.
[50:54] Somebody who works on this street,
[50:58] a little further up, they were talking, when they contacted me, they were talking about
[51:03] how fast he has to go through that zone, and it's a working street, although I don't
[51:11] think any of the people working on the street own the street, but I think he has due travel
[51:16] fast there.
[51:17] What was interesting in the conversation is that there are speed limits in town, and
[51:26] And, you know, if there's people speeding by, you can always report it, but the one interesting
[51:31] thing that came out of that conversation was at the end of Waverly Street.
[51:35] So this is between Pleasant Supplies and I think in the Apple.
[51:39] When you're going, there's actually no stop sign at the end of Waverly to turn on to Pleasant.
[51:46] And I thought there's no way that that's true.
[51:48] So I went to Google Earth Street View and I looked and there is the fact no stop sign.
[51:53] So I'm only bringing it forward because I don't know, I guess that there's no stop signer
[51:58] we in a position like, do you just drive, do you just, I know most people, I think people
[52:04] stop, but should there be a stop sign there and then second of all, I've also looked at
[52:11] the area and think there's not really a spot to put one and I think that's part of the issue
[52:15] there's no, there's no pull that's there because I think there's a lot of wide turns with
[52:19] trucks going in and out. But it just seems strange to have the end of a street without
[52:24] a sign there. So anyway, I said I'd bring it forward as well.
[52:28] Good.
[52:31] Chad, are you? Is that a question for you?
[52:37] Oh, sorry, Jeff. You can talk while he's on his way out.
[52:41] You good?
[52:44] I didn't see your light.
[52:47] Yeah, that's probably a question for me. I don't have a good reason why there's no stop sign
[52:53] there, except the streets, there's really no definition of the street, the street kind
[52:58] of blends in with the adjacent parking lots to the businesses. So we've actually been
[53:04] investigating the installation of the crosswalk for a year. Sounds simpler than it actually
[53:09] is. We actually went there this morning, I saw this on the agenda, so transportation supervisor
[53:15] and I went there this morning. We delineated the corner of the intersection and we marked
[53:20] out a location to install a concrete boulevard where we can put a stop sign in the middle.
[53:27] So there, on Waverly?
[53:30] At the intersection of Waverly and Pleasant.
[53:33] Oh,
[53:37] awesome.
[53:39] So it's your worship, if I may, Chad notices on the agenda and looked into it.
[53:45] This is not a matter of policy for councils.
[53:51] When you see something like this, this is the kind of thing just send an email and we can look after because there was, I think probably this came to some people's consciousness because of the detours around the intersection, right?
[54:04] So people were using way really more and probably somebody don't say, wait a minute, there's no stop sign.
[54:09] So when you see something like that, whether it's a stop sign, it's been run over, that happened.
[54:14] Or in this case, one was just not there, just let Chad know, let me know and it can be rectified, because that's a dangerous situation.
[54:25] Yeah, and you know, think about it until you bring it up, right?
[54:30] But the other thing, because I always think, when I think of that whole section of Pleasant Street, everybody uses the parking lot as a street.
[54:40] you know what I mean like it's they're in and out you're going to pleasant supplies but you're
[54:43] cutting in by nap and so if that's defined as a street there's going to be less less I don't know if
[54:51] the stop sign is going to mitigate that but but yeah but if there's that the concrete yeah that
[55:02] concrete boulevard speaks pretty loudly but yeah you're right it might not I just don't think it's
[55:08] been an issue in the past because it's mainly local traffic. I mean don't see
[55:11] tourists away from the street so it's probably why we haven't been getting
[55:14] complaints. Yeah. It's local traffic. No stop. That wasn't. Okay good so so we'll go
[55:20] ahead yet? Yeah just to say also we haven't always owned
[55:23] Waverly Street. Oh yeah so Waverly Street was in fact privately owned
[55:30] until a few years back when we were going to be
[55:35] And Chad may remember that the street had deteriorated to such a point that it was needed
[55:41] in need of work and when we looked into it, we didn't actually own it.
[55:45] So at the owners who owned property adjacent to the street felt they'd like to see the
[55:52] street upgraded.
[55:52] So it was an easy transition to have that turned over to the town.
[55:57] Now it does vary in width as you go down way over the street because it wasn't owned by
[56:02] just one property owner we had to deal with several property owners but in fact
[56:06] if you own a street that goes down in that direction now and so that's not
[56:12] always been the case it's just an interesting every now and then we stumble
[56:15] across something like that or something kind of odd that just just is yeah good
[56:22] stop go ahead then Councillor there and let her oh three flips okay so maybe it
[56:29] It doesn't, if it's going to get done anyway, maybe it doesn't eat the motion.
[56:32] I don't know if we have to do it for procedure, but it sounds like we probably don't.
[56:37] So I can always draw the motion and it seems like it's going to get done anyway.
[56:42] Thanks, Chan.
[56:43] Thank you.
[56:44] Sit down.
[56:48] Are you good?
[56:52] Oh, okay.
[56:55] Canstree, to recommend that Council direct staff to investigate safer options for turning left
[57:00] from can to water.
[57:02] Go ahead.
[57:03] so once again it's another another one that came from a citizen I actually avoid
[57:08] can't sleep for that for that reason it is it is dangerous because there's a
[57:13] restaurant seems very close to the road and there's often a truck parked on
[57:19] what's the next street over no the one where the the one way street going up yeah
[57:33] So at the bottom of that, there's a transport truck often sticking out which I support because it's a business on water street and they need to do that.
[57:41] But it does make a difficult turn.
[57:45] The person who bought it from my attention actually leaves and goes down Elm Street and then turns on to can take it down to water street to avoid going through the downtown core.
[57:57] Or anyway, they just said is there's some way of putting up a mirror or something.
[58:03] I have no idea if there is, but I actually don't use that street for that reason.
[58:08] But I do think there is, I think it is a dangerous spot, but I don't know if there is something
[58:12] that can't be looked at.
[58:17] Go ahead, Castle.
[58:19] Actually, I travel that route as well, very often, and I think probably the safest answer
[58:26] is to make a no left turn off can.
[58:32] The option is to use gardener street, which is one way
[58:34] up the hill. You can turn left or right. But can street, I think, is I'm not going to
[58:41] impose my opinion too hard on the traffic authority, but if it was me, I think I'd make that
[58:46] a no left turn. This whole situation was created when they installed the boulevard on Vancouver
[58:54] over street, which prevented any left turns on to Vancouver. And so that's, and where
[59:02] people would drive down and turn on to Vancouver to turn left on Maine. So that's how the
[59:07] situation was originally created. But really, I don't believe there's ever going to be a
[59:12] safe option for turning left off Canstree.
[59:21] We're talking to the left on Maine off of Kent, we're left on water off of Kent.
[59:34] Neither the water is good term.
[59:49] Just to my silence.
[59:51] Yeah, I don't know what to.
[59:52] I guess that's why I said if we could direct a staff to look into it, I actually didn't, I know the top.
[1:00:00] There's bad as well, but that wasn't the question that was brought to my attention. But it does seem like a strange street to turn, basically, on and off of, but it is also a fast way to get to Water Street if you're out main, and you want to get down to Water Street because the next street over is a one-way street. And like I said, I don't know if there is a something that can be done. The person who brought it to my attention said, you know, could there be some kind of a concave mirror put up? I don't know if that would work.
[1:00:29] That large of the space, but I don't know if there is an answer and the hot seat again.
[1:00:45] I'm just wondering if he's, yeah, okay, okay, so did somebody make a motion, motion and
[1:00:57] Do you want to second it there, okay? All those in favor?
[1:01:01] Aye.
[1:01:02] Contrary.
[1:01:04] Motion carried.
[1:01:07] Okay.
[1:01:09] Recommended motion for 9-8 to recommend that Council send a letter of condolence to the family of Chris Perry.
[1:01:14] Go ahead, Councilor Cleveland.
[1:01:15] Hi.
[1:01:16] Thank you.
[1:01:18] This is a difficult one for me.
[1:01:21] Chris was a mentor and a dear friend.
[1:01:25] But I do feel it would be apropos to send a letter.
[1:01:29] We don't normally do that, but Chris, for many, many years, contributed in many different
[1:01:37] ways to the community here, the three, the trifecta of radio here, Chris Perry, Raisington,
[1:01:44] and Jerry Boudreau really kept radio local and strong here for decades, and for that,
[1:01:50] I'd like to love to see and remember to have a condolence, but also Chris, for a period
[1:01:57] of time, of course was warden of the municipality of the district of Yarmouth.
[1:02:00] And for that reason alone, I think we should send a letter of condolence.
[1:02:04] So I'd like to make that motion if I could.
[1:02:06] Okay.
[1:02:07] Move.
[1:02:07] Second.
[1:02:08] Macastor Leicester.
[1:02:09] In the discussion.
[1:02:12] All those in favor?
[1:02:13] Aye.
[1:02:14] Contrary.
[1:02:15] Motion carried.
[1:02:19] Request for a decision to recommend that Council review and provide feedback on the
[1:02:23] attached draft for the street aiming policy.
[1:02:33] Okay?
[1:02:34] Go ahead.
[1:02:35] Just one comment.
[1:02:37] I'm aware of other municipal units that and other agencies that have a policy that they
[1:02:43] typically don't name a street or a building after somebody that has passed.
[1:02:52] for at least one year, and the reason they include that in their policy is that
[1:02:58] it's not a knee-jerk reaction or something done under the motion.
[1:03:02] It gives an opportunity for Silver Second Thought, and I'm just throwing it out there
[1:03:07] that I've got more of that policy being in place in other jurisdictions.
[1:03:11] That's not in here. That's not in here.
[1:03:17] I rather that I don't remember.
[1:03:20] You know what? I would be fully in favor of that because when somebody passes we are
[1:03:28] inundated with requests to name streets and buildings and, you know, and so I agree
[1:03:39] with the Seconds Over Thought and to do our research and things like that.
[1:03:43] So can we add that in?
[1:03:47] Yeah.
[1:03:51] So your worship, the only reference that I find,
[1:03:55] and I don't know, there are two references
[1:03:56] to these people in here.
[1:03:59] Yeah.
[1:04:00] Sorry.
[1:04:01] 7.1, a revolt, says to avoid street names
[1:04:06] of historical events, or persons that could carry
[1:04:12] unknown offense to the public in the future.
[1:04:13] And I think what that's trying to get at is just the point, I think it's partly the point
[1:04:19] that's being made is the emotion that comes with the passing of significant persons in
[1:04:25] the community.
[1:04:26] But the other is naming after persons as we've seen in recent years in this province, you
[1:04:33] know, as time rolls on and prospective changes, the celebrated heroes of one time may be
[1:04:43] found in future years to be maybe by another time standard and another, you know, objective
[1:04:54] look at the impacts on all peoples, maybe words so hero worthy or recognition worth.
[1:05:03] So, you know, speaking of the changes in John and MacDonald and Edward Cornwall and so on.
[1:05:12] And so, I think that naming after people is something that, you know, you've seen cause
[1:05:21] hurt and it changes recently.
[1:05:27] So maybe naming after people altogether isn't such a good idea when it comes to streets,
[1:05:32] but again, it's your prerogative, you can, if you amend this policy, it is your policy.
[1:05:39] If you wish to have a consideration of naming of people but to include a call it a cooling
[1:05:46] off period or a review period of a year or two or five whatever that could be included.
[1:05:56] The other part to the naming after people is that you know we accept person A and then
[1:06:04] And for some D says why is my family member and not as important, that's the one that
[1:06:10] tears me apart, you know, because everybody, everyone is different.
[1:06:15] We all contribute differently to the world and it's difficult to pick and choose, you
[1:06:24] know.
[1:06:24] It's a hard one.
[1:06:25] So, boy, what do you want to do there, folks?
[1:06:33] Councillor, they're suggesting the cooling off period, which is not a bad idea.
[1:06:39] I think that's the very least we need to do.
[1:06:50] Councillor, less, less.
[1:06:51] Oh, it's just too quiet again, so I thought I'd jump in.
[1:06:55] I actually asked the CAO at one point about a wall back about if there are streets in town
[1:07:02] that are named after anybody that could be offensive to cultures in the past, I guess.
[1:07:11] And I actually posted online a list of the streets and asked if people knew where the names
[1:07:17] came from.
[1:07:17] I don't know if they're all accurate or not, but it was a fun read to go through and there
[1:07:22] are some people here in town that are very knowledgeable about our streets, which is interesting.
[1:07:27] But I think in the end, if they're all accurate, I don't think we have any streets that are
[1:07:31] named after anybody at this point that are offensive, but I
[1:07:40] do like the idea of having
[1:07:42] streets possibly named after people, but I agree that a period of time after is probably
[1:07:51] good. Having said that, the two streets that I think that are named after people recently
[1:07:57] are actually still alive, which would be Jody Shelley Drive and Charles Crosby Drive.
[1:08:07] So I don't know if we could have like the cooling off period, I don't know if that would
[1:08:11] pertain to people that are still alive, so I don't know if I don't know how we would
[1:08:15] worry that.
[1:08:16] But I do like the idea of having lots of thought going to when we name the street so that we're
[1:08:21] not having to change the street down the line for something that we've made a mistake
[1:08:26] So when you say that, a Jody Shelley drive, I mean, that was the big celebration of it was.
[1:08:35] So that's, I guess then, I think, yeah, it's not so bad to have it named after a person.
[1:08:41] And we don't want to have to change street names, but in the end, if you have to,
[1:08:45] but the cooling off period, go ahead there, Councillor.
[1:08:48] I agree with the cooling off period.
[1:08:49] But I do take into under advisement within the actual policy that you have here.
[1:08:58] It says literally, 7-1, to avoid street names, town council may take these factors.
[1:09:03] 7-1-A, to avoid street names of historical events of persons that could carry unknown
[1:09:08] offense to the public in the future, and to encourage street names such as names of tree species.
[1:09:13] So we could kind of stay away from that as much as possible.
[1:09:16] So on the other hand, things like Jody Shelley drive are a big deal.
[1:09:21] And so, yes, I think that probably underneath 7-1, if you could put a D with a cooling
[1:09:28] off period, maybe the proper way to go.
[1:09:33] But under advisement with this policy, it does encourage not doing that at all.
[1:09:40] So I don't know.
[1:09:41] So what I'm reading is that it's saying, you know, be careful about your historical figures, right?
[1:09:50] Yeah, but the minute you put some of these names somewhere, it's kind of a historical figure.
[1:09:54] Yeah, that's right, somebody finds something.
[1:09:56] Jody Shelley is an historical figure right now because he's in the hall of fame and he's in the street.
[1:10:02] What if something, you know, this isn't, I'm not insinuating.
[1:10:07] What if something awful happened and all of a sudden everybody was offended by Jody Shelley?
[1:10:11] I'm probably not going to happen, but in the future is in the future.
[1:10:18] Yeah, it's straight, it's straight, it's straight, and we did it.
[1:10:21] It was cordial, and then it was Jody Shelley Drive, so you can change it.
[1:10:26] I think that part of, excuse me, part of what we do now, when you know better, you do better.
[1:10:34] And so we just don't name streets of any type without some research and thought like
[1:10:42] Exactly, Sarah Corning Drive now. Let's hope that Sarah
[1:10:53] Historical figure that that's from here deserves to have a you know recognize like that
[1:10:59] So are we all I'm just feeling the room. So I'm just wondering if we're okay with the cooling off. Go ahead, Councillor Bough.
[1:11:07] I'm okay with the cooling off. I think it's important not to erase history and not to cancel history in favor of blandness.
[1:11:22] So, I would rather see Sarah Corning drive than Breeze drive myself.
[1:11:30] I think that I think we have to be careful.
[1:11:38] I think we have to be respectful, as you say, when you know better, you do better.
[1:11:43] And I think that we have to own where we were in order to be where we are.
[1:11:48] And part of owning where we were is, you know, recognizing the history has a place in our life.
[1:11:58] So I don't want to cancel history.
[1:12:03] Are we all, again, feel in the room?
[1:12:07] Are we all okay with that cooling off period?
[1:12:10] Is opposed to taking away the names?
[1:12:13] What do you think, a deputy?
[1:12:17] Go ahead.
[1:12:17] I guess I'm still thinking about it. I guess how long the period would be. I just know
[1:12:22] sometimes my frustration, the politics and other things have gotten things done. And if
[1:12:27] we add a lengthy, you know, sometimes you lose the passion. I guess, you know, people
[1:12:32] pass away. We like to show respect away right away if we could, you know, two years seems
[1:12:38] like a while to me, but six months might be nice or what not. But even if I guess in that
[1:12:43] sense that we could say it's in the planning and it's just sometimes you lose the hype when
[1:12:48] you know things happen and you want to get that respect out there as quick as you can
[1:12:52] and I wouldn't want to limit herself to not be able to do it I guess. I think it's it's almost
[1:12:58] you know like renaming out in the square right. We know that we're doing it of course that's different
[1:13:06] from the cooling off period you know are we going to do it we're we're definitely going to do that
[1:13:13] But I think part of what we're trying to combat is that knee jerk reaction that when
[1:13:19] people come to council and we get we all everybody on this council gets that you know
[1:13:24] the letters and the notes and the emails saying you know my family member and I want to
[1:13:29] street named and we just can't do that we can't do it so we just have to weigh in measure
[1:13:35] so I guess how long would be my main question yeah good point yeah
[1:13:43] my only suggestion of
[1:13:44] One year was that that's what I've seen in other jurisdictions, but that wasn't that wasn't my recommendation, which is acknowledgement of what others do.
[1:13:57] So Jeff, how do we put that in there so that you know doesn't be how to be?
[1:14:02] You just indicate if you want a cooling off period or you know this is advice.
[1:14:07] So remember this clause is the town council may take the following factors into consideration, right?
[1:14:14] And so if we add a clause in there that says, you know, consider a cool enough period or a period of one year when naming after a person, it's a consideration.
[1:14:28] That doesn't mean that you can't in a specific circumstance, a future counsel can't look at that and say, well, that doesn't apply here.
[1:14:38] That was a may and may apply for most situations, but not in this one.
[1:14:41] It's not a shall or those shall not, so we can have Reese add a D in there that just provides that cautionary note to account for the future around street name.
[1:14:57] Yeah, I don't even know if we have to put a timeline.
[1:15:00] You know what I mean?
[1:15:02] Who will not be here yet? Okay. So your worship, if there's no amendment to the policy, what will happen? Policy doesn't need a recommendation from committee the whole. It'll just show up on your next council agenda for consideration. You have it now. So you have it at least seven days ahead. And if there are any amendments that are brought forward at the meeting or between now and then you can share information with us and we can have the discussion on the 18th of November.
[1:15:32] Okay, so do you need that motion?
[1:15:36] You can make it if you wish, just so it's dealt with.
[1:15:38] Yeah, we need to make it.
[1:15:41] Okay.
[1:15:42] Okay.
[1:15:43] Councillor Atfield.
[1:15:45] Seconded by Councillor Lesnar.
[1:15:49] All those in favor?
[1:15:50] Aye.
[1:15:50] Contrary.
[1:15:51] Motion carried.
[1:15:52] Thank you.
[1:15:54] Okay.
[1:15:55] Lear on correspondence.
[1:15:56] We've got correspondence there.
[1:16:00] and additions, where I had additions.
[1:16:05] 11A request to present, so the recommended motion is to recommend that Council invite
[1:16:10] the Accessibility Advisory Committee to present at a future meeting.
[1:16:15] So I don't know who that was.
[1:16:18] I guess I jotted down a note there or updates from Council, the Council reps.
[1:16:28] You know that doesn't matter to me either way, but I think that's the people on the the people from council on these committees.
[1:16:37] You know we need to at the council meetings ask those questions, you know what and maybe I need to just do that.
[1:16:45] Is there an update from I think we do a pretty good job if we have questions, but it's yeah up to you folks whatever you want to do there.
[1:16:54] Yeah,
[1:17:00] that you make you're making the motion. Yeah, good. Okay. So, Deputy
[1:17:06] made the motion. Second by Councillor Balfe. Any discussion? Okay. All those in favor?
[1:17:18] Contrary. Okay. Okay. Good.
[1:17:24] MSCC housing.
[1:17:26] I don't know.
[1:17:26] Okay.
[1:17:26] Go ahead.
[1:17:27] Your worship.
[1:17:28] This came up just last evening.
[1:17:31] And I asked Lindsay to put it on the agenda because I think it pertains to an important
[1:17:35] issue and we may not want to delay on this.
[1:17:39] So last night, the deputy minister Paul LaFlash had a meeting with an online virtual meeting
[1:17:45] with any CAO or all the CAOs across the province.
[1:17:49] Just to give an update on the work of the department as it relates to the mandate letter
[1:17:58] of the minister and kind of have some discussion, 80% of the discussion was around housing.
[1:18:05] And that just indicates to me that it's a very important aspect of what municipal fairs
[1:18:10] and housing are going to be doing over the next little while.
[1:18:14] One of the things that he brought up was that they have a strategy that they feel they're
[1:18:20] fully in control of, and that is a college and university housing, and if they create
[1:18:26] more college and university housing, that will actually free up housing, other housing
[1:18:32] in communities for people who right now are looking for affordable, available apartments.
[1:18:38] So, they have six projects for Nova Scotia Community College currently around the province.
[1:18:45] Three are implemented and three are have been now approved to create campus style resident
[1:18:52] student residents. And what he said is if you are interested if you have an NSCC campus or institution
[1:19:00] in your community and you're interested in having them look at the feasibility of student housing
[1:19:07] that they would respond to those requests.
[1:19:12] So we do have a fairly large presence in our community
[1:19:16] with no discussion community college.
[1:19:18] I certainly don't know how many of those people,
[1:19:21] those students would take up student house
[1:19:24] and if it was available, but that's the whole point
[1:19:25] of the exercise is to ask them to look at it.
[1:19:28] And if it is feasible to develop something in the community.
[1:19:32] So I want to make you aware of that opportunity,
[1:19:35] in case you wanted to have them undertake a study and we could maybe get our name in
[1:19:42] there as soon as possible if it is something as of interest to you.
[1:19:46] I'm a thousand percent in favor of this. I'm inundated in late August especially because
[1:19:53] the students can't find housing and they're looking just even for a simple room whatever
[1:19:58] they'll take anything so I think the need is there. Councillor Lesnar?
[1:20:02] I was just going to say at the same thing, I just didn't shut my mic off, we need as much housing as we can and I know NSCC students struggle, I think they were 40 something international students coming to NSCC this year that didn't have places to live in the end, I think some of them, many of them found places to live but those students coming here from different countries also or different communities also bring money into the community.
[1:20:30] beyond like they bought their buying food and all that so the only the only concern
[1:20:36] about there are some families as well and I don't like I don't know if they're
[1:20:42] whatever whatever consider housing on site that could accommodate like more than
[1:20:46] one person but it doesn't to me it doesn't matter we need to get some we need
[1:20:51] housing and this would certainly help
[1:20:55] okay counselor just a question so
[1:21:02] So does this, they're asking for the request to come from the town?
[1:21:08] Yeah, so, you know, he was speaking to CAO's, he said, if you have an NSCC institution in your community or university and you believe that there may be a way to,
[1:21:22] if there was a student residence that it would relieve pressure on your housing stock and that they'd be willing to do feasibility analysis of that.
[1:21:31] So I thought that sounds like us.
[1:21:34] So I thought they'd better bring two tables quickly as possible.
[1:21:37] Yeah, I had heard the announcement earlier this week about the building of campuses,
[1:21:45] residents campuses for three community colleges.
[1:21:49] And in thought of our place, I mean, I think there's space up there and everything.
[1:21:54] But do we need to have a conversation with the college as well?
[1:21:59] or do we need to be working with them, Jeff, or how does that, does that, that will be there,
[1:22:06] their job. I mean, they'll work with the community college in terms of if there's a need,
[1:22:12] if it would be on site or not. There are some examples where a community college is not even
[1:22:17] owned by the province, but that doesn't mean the province could know housing associated with it, right?
[1:22:22] So I think they're open to anything that the demonstrative need and take some pressure off of the housing issue.
[1:22:34] Okay, good thanks.
[1:22:35] This is really good news.
[1:22:37] So what's the next step?
[1:22:38] Because I'm always thinking between Natalie and myself, we're always online with Mary.
[1:22:42] So sorry, I didn't provide a motion, but a motion to request municipal affairs and housing
[1:22:49] to lead a feasibility study into student residents associated with the Burge campus.
[1:22:59] Okay, good. Second by Councillor Hatfield. Any further discussion? Good. All those in
[1:23:06] favor? Aye. Contrary. Motion carried. And the Crohn's and Colitis, the recommended motion,
[1:23:14] whereas lack of access to washrooms is a significant barrier to participating in the daily activities
[1:23:19] of life for many, whereas there are programs available that seek to address this lack of
[1:23:24] access.
[1:23:25] I move to refer correspondence received from Crohn's and Colitis Canada to the Accessibility
[1:23:30] Advisory Committee to review whether any of the identified strategies could be employed
[1:23:35] within the town of the armen.
[1:23:37] Did you want to speak to that, Councillor?
[1:23:39] just that November is Crones Colitis Month throughout Canada and because the
[1:23:52] month is coming up I had an opportunity to look at the correspondence and the
[1:23:57] programs that they are encouraging communities to initiate and where I
[1:24:03] know the accessibility committee has been hard at work looking at all forms of
[1:24:09] accessibility challenges in the town, I thought it would be an appropriate moment to recognize
[1:24:15] that sometimes people living with accessibility issues are invisible and amongst that invisible
[1:24:23] population are people with Crohn's colitis. Crohn's and colitis, the incidence in Nova Scotia
[1:24:33] is the highest in Canada, and in Canada is one of the highest incidences in the world.
[1:24:40] It's an issue that when I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease 44 years ago, I didn't
[1:24:48] know anybody who had Crohn's disease, and today you can't walk down the street without
[1:24:56] finding somebody that is not suffering from one of these conditions, and it does affect
[1:25:04] everyday life, everyday for those who suffer from it. And if there are mechanisms through
[1:25:13] which communities can make that a little bit easier, and without a lot of money, just awareness,
[1:25:22] Yes, I think that it is an act and an aspect of accessibility that could be could be looked at so I thought that I would bring that motion forward good. Thank you. Oh, you may that who made a motion.
[1:25:40] No.
[1:25:40] I may have motion.
[1:25:43] Deputy seconded.
[1:25:45] Okay.
[1:25:46] Councillor Lesnar.
[1:25:47] Crohn's inclinus actually did present already to the accessibility advisory committee.
[1:25:53] And prior to that we actually brought forth, we did, we actually talked about it prior to
[1:25:58] them bringing the conserved forward without getting to all the details, but an elbowing gentleman
[1:26:05] not with Crohn's inclinus, but had a situation downtown that was trying to find a bathroom
[1:26:10] they could use. And with COVID it's making it harder. What the Crohn's and Colitis brought
[1:26:17] to us was, and Natalie might be able to speak better to it, but there's an app that
[1:26:23] they're suggesting we use, and it's, I don't want to say they're on there, but there's an
[1:26:29] app. What is it? Oh, go here. That people can probably promote that we're opening our
[1:26:37] facility for accessibility to bathrooms.
[1:26:43] So they brought that to us and I don't think
[1:26:48] we officially have got it off the ground but I think everybody on the committee seemed
[1:26:52] quite interested in it. So I think it's good that we have a motion coming back from
[1:26:57] council that we look further into it to make sure that we are in fact taking this further
[1:27:04] to the next step of making sure that we do help those with Crohn's inclinus.
[1:27:12] Good. Any further discussion? All those in favor?
[1:27:18] Contrary? Motion carried.
[1:27:21] That looks like the end of our business, unless I miss something.
[1:27:25] And we have in camera.
[1:27:28] Was there anything else Jeff, you're good before in camera?
[1:27:32] Okay,
[1:27:35] so a motion to go in camera, folks.
[1:27:38] Okay.