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All right. Good evening, everyone. This

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is our regular council meeting of May

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14th,

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2025. I will now call the meeting to

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order at 6:30 p.m. and acknowledge that

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all members of council are

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present. Before I begin, I'll share the

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land township land

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acknowledgement. The township of

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Agelatas Rantio is situated on the lands

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within treaty 18 being the traditional

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territory of the ananab and shabag

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peoples including the jiuway the dawa

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and the podawatami nations collectively

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known as three fires confederacy. This

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land is home to many to diverse first

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nations inuit peoples. We acknowledge

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indigenous peoples as stewards of the

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land and we honor their resilience as

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well as their culture and of our shared

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respect for the lands, plants, animals

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and water waterways which sustains us

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all.

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We recognize the injustices against

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indigenous peoples and are mindful that

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the decisions of government impact our

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shared land and all the inhabitants. We

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commit to reconciliation as a journey,

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foster indigenous cultural awareness and

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educational opportunities, establish

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respectful and healthy relations with

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indigenous peoples, continue to steward

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the land in its inhabit in inhabitants,

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and to cultivate an inclusive community

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for

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all. This evening there was no closed

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session. So we are in open session at

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6:30. As a reminder everyone including

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council that

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uh please uh silence all cell phones and

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other electronic devices for the

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duration of the

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meeting. And item

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four which is the do sorry the

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additions. Uh there is one addition that

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we would like to make um this evening.

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Um, so I'll start with this and if

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there's any others from council. Uh, so

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the OP would like to uh make a

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deputation this evening with regards to

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a uh Special Olympics torch run uh to be

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held on June 12th and they would like to

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uh use uh our grounds and the public

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room if uh if at all possible. So they

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would be like uh they would be coming in

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to make a deputation this evening. And

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if there's no objections, I could get a

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mover to

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that. So I have a move by deputy mayor

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that a deputation from the Narosaga OP

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detachment regarding law enforcement

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special Olympics torch run 2025 be added

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to the May 14th, 2025 regular council

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agenda under section 9 deputations as an

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as item 9.2. So that's moved by deputy

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mayor locks. Second, please that moved

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by C second by councelor Simpson.

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Are there any questions with regards to

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this item for

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addition? Seeing none, I do require a

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twothirds majority vote for this

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addition. All those in favor? And that

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is

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carried. Are there any other additions

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for the council agenda this

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evening? All right. Seeing none, the

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recommendation for the adoption of the

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agenda is therefore that coun that the

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agenda for the regular council meeting

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held on Wednesday, May 14th, 2025 as

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amended be

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adopted. Any questions? Move her,

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please. Councelor Simpson, seconded by

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councelor Cox. All those in

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favor? That is

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carried. Item six is disclosure of

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precinary interests. Are there any

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disclosures of particular interest at

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this

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time? Seeing none, if you do find

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yourself in that situation at a later

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time, please declare

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then. And we're on to item seven, which

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is the adoption of the minutes. And we

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have the minutes from April 9th, 2025.

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Are there any questions with regards to

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those

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minutes? And seeing none, the

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recommendation is that the minutes of

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the regular council meeting held on

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Wednesday, April 9th, 2025 be adopted as

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presented. Mover, please. I have Deputy

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Mayor Locks, second please. Councelor

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Borzos and all those in favor of

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minutes. That is

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carried. So that takes us to

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presentations. We have no presentations

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this evening and then we are on to

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deputations. So we do have the two now

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this evening.

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So the

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firstation is uh from Keon Watson and

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the founder of a board and board member

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of reach and serve foundation

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incorporated regarding the school

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backpack drive. So sir if you'd like to

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come to the

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podium welcome and the floor is all

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yours. Thank you so much, Mayor U. Mayor

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Anderson, member of council. Good

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evening. Uh, thank you so much for the

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opportunity to speak with you today. My

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name is Ken Watson, and I am accompanied

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by Albino uh um Kawuchi in my back. is a

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member of our board member also and

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we're here today on behalf of Reach and

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Serve Foundation um to respectfully

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request uh for your approval of waving

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the fee uh for upcoming uh school

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backpack drive which will be held on

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August 23rd, 2025 of this year. And uh

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um regarding this annual this is the

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annual backpack drive that we have

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yearly and um the initiative focus on

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providing uh children from lowincome

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families uh in Tatinam, Aliston, Beaton

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and Seronit areas with full staff

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backpack to ensure the success start uh

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to the school year. Each backpack will

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contain essential uh educational

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materials including notebook, pencils,

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binders, calculators, all these things

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that the kids need that they can

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function in school properly. Uh but this

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is uh drive is more than just uh school

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supply. Uh it's about fostering a

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community and the day of the event we

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offer family uh friendly activities such

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as uh bounce about castles, water slide

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and compliment complimentary food. And

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uh this is just our way of giving back

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to the committee and also bringing the

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committee together. Uh it is will be a

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day filled with joy, support and a sheer

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sense of purpose. Our goal this year is

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to distribute 100 backpacks. Uh and with

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your support allowing us to use the

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building or waving the fee uh it will be

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this goal will become a reality. Uh the

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facility will provide the um

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accessibility central and welcoming

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space to reflect the spirit of

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initiative um unity, compassion and

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progress. In closing, I urge you to

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consider our request. Um this will be

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more than just uh waving the fee, but it

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will be an investment in our youth and

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family in our township. Together, we can

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help to ensure that every child has the

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tools they need to succeed and that no

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one in our committee will feel left

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behind. Thank you again for your time

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and consideration and I'm happy to

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answer any question that you may have.

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Great. Thank you very much for the

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deputation. Uh I just have before I go

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to members of council, I just have one

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question. How do you fund the um

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backpacks and supplies? Like is that a

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fundraising initiative that you

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undertake or how is donations?

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Sure. Just can you just confirm the

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mic's on there? Sorry. So So we uh have

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sponsorship letters that we sent to all

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the businesses in Aliston, Tottenham,

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Beaten and uh they got back to us and

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they are the one who sponsor all these

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backpacks and everything we need to um

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to have this um host this event. Okay,

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perfect. It's nice to see the local uh

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economy involved then for sure. Thank

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you. Any other questions from council?

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So, I've got councelor Boros and then

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councelor Cox. Thank you through the

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chair to Mr. Watson. Thank you very

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much. Great initiative. I'm sure there's

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a lot of kids who can take advantage of

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this type of situation especially

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nowadays. You mentioned beaten Tottenham

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allist. Yes. Uh we are in

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Agelattoio. Is this program open to our

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kids as well or is it strictly to Yes.

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New tech kids? So, it's it's open to uh

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uh the township of Agela. Um also um

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it's also open to um uh kids in

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Tottenham and also kids in beaten but

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most of all to alist to this um um area.

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And so how will you advertise or promote

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this event or is there a flyer? Is there

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social media or Yes. So it would be

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through a flyer and social media that's

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where we would advertise all this event

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and plus because we have other families

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that because this is just more than

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backpack we have this is the

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organization that we have lowincome

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household so we have lots of family on

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our roster already in this area that we

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give food or stuff that they may need so

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they have kids that need these um items.

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Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Okay. Thank you. Councelor Cox the

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chair. I just like to personally thank

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you for all you do for these uh uh the

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underprivileged families. You know, it's

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a very noble thing. So, thank you. Yes.

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Thanks. Okay. Thank you. Any other

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comments from council or questions?

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All right. Seeing none, thank you very

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much for the presentation and uh we will

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uh make a decision tonight. Thank you.

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All right. All right. So, council, there

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is a uh potential motion here drafted um

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that the deputation from Reach and Serve

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Foundation Incorporated regarding school

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backpack drive be received and that the

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rental fees be waved for Reach and Serve

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Foundation to use the municipal grounds

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including the public room, outdoor

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gazebo, and sports fields on Saturday,

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August 23rd, 2025 for the purpose of a

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school backpack drive. and that the

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rental application form be completed and

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proof of insurance be provided to the

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township prior to the event. So, that's

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a standard one we've used in past. Are

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there any questions to that resolution?

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Councelor Meadows. Yeah, I just have a

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question with staff. Uh there's nothing

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going on uh in with regards to those

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events uh like it's not already booked.

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M Reed, uh thank you. Your worship

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through councelor Meadows. Uh so staff

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did put a tentative hold on that date in

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the calendar when we did receive this

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request from the organization. So it is

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available for them. Thank you. Okay. Any

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further questions?

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All right. Seeing none, do I have a

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mover for that recommendation? I have a

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second uh moved by councelor Cox and

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seconded by councelor

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Borazos. Any further questions or

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comments? And all those in favor? That

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is carried. Thank

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you. All right. Uh Mr. Daniels has not

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shown up from the OP. So, what I'm if

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Oh, sorry. I expect you to be in the

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uniform actually this evening.

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Uh I think the last time I seen you, I

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think it was at the maybe at the Banding

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High School actually. Uh so, welcome.

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Thank you. Um the floor is yours for um

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information for the torch run. All

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right. Thank you very much. And I

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apologize for the late deputation. Uh, I

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was hoping that Inspector Mlan would

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have been here to do this, but uh, here

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I am. So, uh, well, he he has all the

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trust in you. So, that's right. Let's,

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uh, hopefully bring this home. So, for

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those of you that aren't familiar, uh

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I'm sure you've heard of the Special

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Olympics as a organization and and what

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they do, and we probably have an

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understanding, but not everyone would

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know that the uh Ontario there's an

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Ontario law enforcement torch run, uh

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which is the largest public awareness

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vehicle grassroots fundraiser for

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Special Olympics.

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Um so, this is uh an opportunity that

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we've had and that we've done. uh we

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started last year uh we held our first

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torch run in this area. So I consider

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you know agiles new tech and also ESSA

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as our detachment area. So that's sort

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of where we're representing. So last

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year it was held in uh New Tums. Uh we

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had a great turnout. Um and we had uh

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over 30 participants and raised over

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$2,100 for local athletes, meaning Simco

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County. Um so those athletes are from

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all over the area. So it could be

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Bradford, wherever. Um, and basically

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the idea of the event is is that uh

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money is raised and then half of it goes

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to the local Special Olympics athletes

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and then the other half goes to the

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actual uh law enforcement torch run

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organization to fund other things like

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actual um Special Olympics events

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um promotional stuff and and things like

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that. So, uh, those athletes were able

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to, uh, walk away with,00 last year, um,

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which was a, a great, um, amount of

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money that could help with their

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training and so on.

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Um so this year we're proposing and

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after learning a few things of from last

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year we'd like to make a few changes and

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and one of the things that we saw was

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this beautiful uh depending on where I

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am now uh track that you have outside

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and uh also the facility uh the

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community room and uh access to

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washrooms are important. So, uh, what

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we're, uh, proposing and asking for is

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that, uh, the town of Agelatas,

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uh, partner with us in this event. Um,

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and that, uh, on June 12th,

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uh, we're looking between the hours of

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9:00 a.m. till approximately 1:00 p.m.

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being the latest. That's mostly for

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setup and takeown of anything that might

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need to be cleaned up. um step off for

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the run would actually be at 10 and it's

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more of a walk or a run uh around the

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track. So to avoid any road permits or

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any kind of disruptions to roads um and

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also making it a little more accessible

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for folks who may not be able to do an

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actual run. Um we would like uh this

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location for that reason. Um what we're

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asking is that the fees uh be waved for

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the rental um of the community room and

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whatever else um we would require for

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that.

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Um advertising would be done social

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media through the OP. We use our

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platform and uh Torch Run has their own

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sort of platform that they would do any

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sort of other

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um media releases and

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such. All right, that's it. Perfect.

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Um I I don't have any questions for you

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because I support it and it's a great

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initiative. So I do commend you for

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taking that on. Um, I'm going to before

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I just go to look at the resolution and

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we bit out of order on this, but I'm

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just going to look to staff. Is this

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something that we could also advertise

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that um we don't normally close our

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parks and walking track? And I know it's

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fairly popular in the morning hours. And

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I'm just thinking if we can kind of

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advertise uh if council's supportive of

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this uh that that track kind of be not

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off limits but that there's an event

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proceeding in the next couple days on

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June 12th that we're making the public

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aware that uh there is an event going

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on. That's okay. Um so I'll go to

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questions from council. Are there any

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questions or comments? Uh councelor

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medals. Yeah. again like like before is

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there anything booked any events booked

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uh uh for that uh particular day uh

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since this isn't a last minute uh ask

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read worship through to councelor

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Meadows uh I did confirm prior to the

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meeting um that the tracking area is

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available um during the day the only

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event being held here um is that evening

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and that is for our official plan

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openhouse.

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[Music]

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Okay, any further questions or comments?

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All right, seeing none. So there is a

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potential motion here as well. that that

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the deputation from Sergeant Jeremy

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Daniels at NASA PP detachment regarding

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law enforcement special Olympics torch

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run 2025 be received and that the rental

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fees be waved for the Navasago P to use

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the municipal grounds including the

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public room outdoor gazebo sports fields

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and walking track on Thursday June 12th

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2025 for the purpose of law enforcement

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special Olympics torch run

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2025 and that the rental application

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form be completed and proof of insurance

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be provided to the township prior to the

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event. Any questions on that? And do I

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have a mover for that recommendation? I

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have councelor Cox and a seconder,

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please.

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Council. All those in favor? That is

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carried. So, the clerk's office will be

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in touch with you, Sergeant. Thank you

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very much. All right. Have a good night.

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Thank you. You too.

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All right. All right. So that leads us

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on to item nine, which is public

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meetings. And for this evening, we have

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no public meetings. And that is on to

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now item 10, which is public

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comment. Members of the public may

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request their comments to be read by the

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clerk or present their comments orally.

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Only public comments related to an item

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on the agenda listed as staff reports,

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correspondence, or bylaws will be

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considered. Members of the public

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wishing to submit public comment can do

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so in writing to our clerk no later than

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12:00 noon on the day of the meeting.

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And I'll first go to the public here.

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Are there any persons in attendance who

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would like to provide their comments?

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And if so, please raise your hand and

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once called upon, proceed to the podium.

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Are there any persons wishing to speak

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on any items with regards to staff

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report, correspondence, or bylaws this

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evening? Okay, seeing none, madame

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deputy clerk, did we receive any public

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uh comments in writing? Through you,

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your worship, we received no public

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comments in writing. Okay, thank you.

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All right. So, that leads us on to item

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12, which is upcoming events and

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announcements. Uh, so I do have a few

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announcements uh to start and then I'll

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go to the CEO for a verbal update as

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well. So, just wanted to acknowledge a

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couple events here.

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Um, on May 28th from 400 p.m. to 7:00

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p.m., uh, Glen Karen residents are

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invited to a fun hands-on event to help

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shape the future of the Glen Cararen

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Park. So, this is being held at the park

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off of, uh, second

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concession on May 28th from 4:00 to 7:00

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and families can come and attend and

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design their ideal park using AD toss a

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box. So, we're going to give you some

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dollars to uh provide some opportunities

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on what you'd like to see uh in the park

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itself for some of the equipment ideas.

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Your feedback, of course, will help

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guide future park improvements. And this

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will be the first in a series of

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outreach events. Uh so, we encourage

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everyone to visit a.ca for more

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information uh or watch for our posts on

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social media. The second announcement is

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with regards uh to our official plan. We

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are holding an openhouse event on

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Thursday, June the 12th from 5:30 p.m.

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to 7:30 p.m. here at the township

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office. We'll be in the public room. Um

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there will be additional information

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published online. Uh so please watch for

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that. But we encourage anyone who's been

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following along on the official plan

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process, which has been ongoing for

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about 12 years, uh to uh continue to

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follow along with us and and share some

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of your ideas. the information will be

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posted on the website as to the the um

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official plan draft and the schedules.

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So there will be information online and

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you're able to provide comments and I

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believe if I read correctly in the

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correspondence item this evening or the

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staff report rather um you will have up

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to two weeks after the event as well to

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provide comments uh in to

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staff. Third event is the Ever Legion

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75th anniversary. We had the

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presentation to council last meeting. Uh

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this event is happening on June 21st and

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we encourage everyone in the township to

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join the Ever Legion and celebrating its

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75th anniversary. The events for that

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day include Sunrise Yoga if you'd like

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to get up. I believe that's in the wee

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hours of around 5 something. So, if

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you'd like to get up for yoga, a pancake

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breakfast, uh an OP bike rodeo, a

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scouting lunch in international dancers,

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uh there is a dignitary event planned, a

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membersonly dinner um at the Legion, but

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following that dinner, there will be an

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open uh dance um that evening at the

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Legion. And again, for more information,

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we encourage everyone to contact the

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Ever Legion.

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The fourth item is uh children's mental

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health week and it runs from May 5th to

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11th. Um and as you can see with council

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this evening and the staff we are

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wearing a green ribbon. Uh these uh this

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um health children's health week is to

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raise awareness about uh mental health

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uh for children and the color green

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symbolizes child and youth mental health

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representing hope, growth and

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transformation.

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and join us as we share uh shine green

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in support of New Path, a charitable

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organization offering free mental health

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services for children and youth in our

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community. Uh and that also encourages

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uh support for their families and

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caregivers across county. So for more

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information, we encourage you to visit

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new

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path.ca. Next is National Public Works

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Week. It runs from May 18th to the 24th.

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And on behalf of council, I would like

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to extend our thanks to dedicated

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members of our public works team. Uh

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your hard work and commitment to

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maintaining the infrastructure and

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services that keep Agelatas Toronto

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running smoothly do not go unnoticed.

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01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:37,760
From keeping our roads safe and clear in

541
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:39,360
the winter and summer to ensuring our

542
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,520
parks, facilities, and public spaces are

543
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,120
wellmaintained, your efforts are

544
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,040
essential to community. So, Mr. WS, if

545
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,280
you could please express our thanks to

546
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:51,830
your entire team.

547
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,199
Next is paramedic services week and the

548
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,640
deputy mayor and of of course we were

549
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,640
involved yesterday with a very special

550
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,120
presentation at the county of Simco for

551
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,320
a uh paramedic for a day uh which we do

552
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,760
every year at the county and it's always

553
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,480
rewarding to see some uh child um I

554
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,960
believe it's open to grades five and six

555
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,040
um who come in and uh it's a very

556
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,600
special moment uh amongst county council

557
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,920
and for the for the student in the

558
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,280
family. And I must say, um, the student

559
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:24,880
yesterday was probably a better speaker

560
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,280
than most of county council. So, it was,

561
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,840
uh, she she read her essay out, uh, to

562
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,920
32 members of county council, uh,

563
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,400
without missing a beat. So, uh, very

564
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,400
impressive. Uh, but we also want to

565
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:38,400
thank our paramedic services across the

566
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,800
county. Uh, in this year's theme is we

567
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,600
care for everyone. Uh and uh I would

568
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,360
like to extend our thanks and gratitude

569
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,640
to all the members of the paramedic

570
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,400
services in the county of Simco for

571
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,719
their vital public service and quality

572
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:53,320
access to emergency

573
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,639
care. Uh next one is Victoria Day long

574
01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:57,840
weekend and I just want to acknowledge

575
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,280
that uh Monday is a Victoria Day holiday

576
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,719
um and our township office will be

577
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:05,199
closed. That's Monday, May 19th. And on

578
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:07,760
behalf of council, I wish everyone a

579
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,400
safe and enjoyable uh Victoria Day

580
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,000
weekend. Uh, I guess it's kind of the

581
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,719
official start to

582
01:22:13,719 --> 01:22:17,520
summer. And the last item I have is with

583
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,159
regards to coffee with council. We have

584
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:21,840
scheduled a coffee with council event

585
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,480
for June 3rd here at the township office

586
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:26,000
in the public room and that's from 6:00

587
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,760
p.m. to 8:00 p.m. And again, we

588
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,760
encourage everyone to come out uh and

589
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,600
have a one-on-one chat with uh members

590
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,760
of council. you can meet your counselor

591
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,840
uh you know propose any ideas and

592
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,159
concerns that you might have uh on in

593
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:40,320
this very informal setting uh rather

594
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,560
than you know in this kind of robust

595
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,639
setting here of of a council meeting. So

596
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,000
we encourage you to come out and have a

597
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,639
chat with us and with that are there any

598
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:51,520
other public announcements uh or events

599
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,080
from

600
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,280
council? All right, not seeing any then

601
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,199
I'll go over to the Seattle for a verbal

602
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,679
update please.

603
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:02,239
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Just want to build

604
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,159
off of some uh training that was

605
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,639
discussed with our bylaws uh last

606
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:09,280
meeting with regard to noxious weeds. We

607
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,679
have uh put some links up on our

608
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:13,679
website, links to the county and the

609
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,719
province and also a form that you can

610
01:23:16,719 --> 01:23:19,199
fill out online if there is a concern

611
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:21,360
within the township about noxious weed.

612
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,280
So if there is anybody who would just

613
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,440
like to educate themselves about that,

614
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:28,400
uh it's a very good spot on our website

615
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,639
uh to go and take a look at. And if you

616
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,960
come across any of those noxious weeds,

617
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,520
it's easy to

618
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,560
report. The second one is the

619
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,560
southwestern integrated fiber technology

620
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,960
or swift because that's easier to say.

621
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,159
Just wanted to point out it's for rural

622
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:48,000
broadband across different parts of

623
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,719
southwest Ontario. It is now complete

624
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:53,199
and I will be sending out a link to uh

625
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,600
members of council with regard to uh

626
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,960
where they can a link for their website.

627
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,120
So, just wanted to to note that uh just

628
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,960
for the public and for council that it

629
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:04,120
is now

630
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,920
complete. The next one is the wastewater

631
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,400
annual report for New Horizon is now up

632
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,520
on our

633
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,280
website. And uh the next one and going

634
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,000
to unfortunately steal uh Mr. Wilmet's

635
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,000
uh thunder here with public work sweep,

636
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,239
but the maintenance gravel will be

637
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,520
starting uh within the town on May 19th.

638
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,840
And just to note that the sweep street

639
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,199
sweeping is complete. So again, thank

640
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:33,440
you uh to the public works group for all

641
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,239
their hard

642
01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:38,159
work. Uh there was a question on the

643
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,560
council with respect to the uh Hawkley

644
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,719
water system in particular details. So

645
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:44,320
just wanted to report that that we're

646
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,560
going to be coming uh this summer with

647
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,920
estimated logistics costs etc. So uh

648
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,800
stay tuned for that. And actually the

649
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,760
last one I'm going to turn over to the

650
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,960
acting chief to talk to us about the

651
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,520
nextgen system that Barry has with

652
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,080
regard to some emergency software for an

653
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,480
update for council on that. Uh through

654
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,360
you Mr. Mayor. Perfect. Thank you. Uh

655
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,719
acting chief.

656
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,400
Good evening Mayor and council. Uh just

657
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,320
a quick update on Next Generation 911.

658
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,080
So Barry Fire Dispatch is the dispatch

659
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,800
center that services Agelatas. Um Barry

660
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,159
Fire and Emergency Services has

661
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:23,600
completed the migration to next

662
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,960
generation 911. Um so this takes us from

663
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,760
an analog base to an IPbased system.

664
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,840
It's not available to the public yet,

665
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,679
but the transition's complete. The

666
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:35,040
equipment has been installed and

667
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,760
technologies there. The mandate from the

668
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,920
federal government is March 2027. And

669
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,840
this will allow for faster, more

670
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,360
accurate location and call back

671
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,159
information, increased reliability, uh,

672
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:48,880
real-time text and video directly to

673
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,320
dispatch centers, and improved

674
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,679
operability, security, and system

675
01:25:52,679 --> 01:25:55,679
resilience. Thank you. Thank you very

676
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:56,960
much. And again, we've learned some of

677
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,480
that at the county council as well. So,

678
01:25:58,480 --> 01:25:59,760
it's a great system to see up and

679
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,159
running. Uh and again, anything that

680
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,440
helps our first responders uh be well

681
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:07,520
equipped for what's uh on scene is

682
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,280
something very important to have. So,

683
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,080
appreciate that. Thank you, CO, for the

684
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,120
update. I'm just going back to council

685
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,880
if there's any other comments or

686
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,560
questions.

687
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,760
Okay. All right. So, we're on to the

688
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:24,040
consent agenda or excuse

689
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,760
me, are there anything uh any items that

690
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,679
members of council would like to pull? I

691
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:32,239
see several hands. All right, I'll go to

692
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,000
uh Deputy Deputy Mayor Locks first. Um,

693
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,080
thank you through the chair. Can we pull

694
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,110
13.5?

695
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,639
Uh, yes, we can. Thank

696
01:26:43,639 --> 01:26:46,639
you. Um, anything else? Is that the only

697
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:50,480
one? Okay. Uh, counselor medals. Yeah.

698
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:56,350
13.

699
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,639
Okay. Any others?

700
01:26:59,639 --> 01:27:05,229
councils. Yes, I'd like to pull a

701
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:06,840
13.1.

702
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:17,629
Okay. And anyone

703
01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:20,679
else? All right.

704
01:27:20,679 --> 01:27:22,800
So, the recommendation would be the

705
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,639
consent agenda recommendations for 13.2,

706
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:30,360
2 13.3 and

707
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,280
13.6 be adopted as presented and that

708
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:34,639
staff be authorized to take all

709
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:36,880
necessary actions. We have a mover for

710
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,960
that recommendation. I have been moved

711
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:40,639
by councelor Simpson and a seconded by

712
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:44,639
councelor Olirri. All those in favor and

713
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:56,470
that is carried.

714
01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:24,189
All right.

715
01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:27,600
Okay. So that leads us on to item 14

716
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,520
which is staff reports and our first

717
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,520
report is 14.1 which is IND

718
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,280
202513 placement of hot mix ashvault and

719
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,120
shoulder gravel. Mr.

720
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:43,189
Wlets lost

721
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,840
excuse me I've lost my voice today. Um

722
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,400
the tender was sent out um and it was

723
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,440
for the job or the capital projects that

724
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,880
were approved by council. Um the price

725
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,520
that came back in as you can see was um

726
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,560
very competitive and so hopefully that

727
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,040
we can uh extend some of the jobs a

728
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,600
little bit farther without um changing

729
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,239
the the form of the contract.

730
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:09,760
Yep. Thank you. Are there any questions

731
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:10,840
for to Mr.

732
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,400
Watts? Councelor

733
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,920
Simpson. through the chair through the

734
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,080
chair to Mr. WZ. Um, when do we

735
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,800
anticipate this will be completed by I

736
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,719
think I have the a closing date of end

737
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:24,880
of September. September. Yeah. So

738
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,719
throughout the summer and anticipate

739
01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:28,880
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And as soon as the

740
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,560
contract signed, then hopefully I can

741
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,120
get a a start date so they get it into

742
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,960
their schedule and and we'll know more

743
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,120
and again it'll be put on the website

744
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,199
and so the the residents will know

745
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:42,159
what's going on. Great. Thank you.

746
01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,760
Okay. Any other questions with regards

747
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,880
to the item? All right, seeing none, do

748
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,760
have a mover for the

749
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,560
recommendation. I have a move by

750
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,400
councelor Cox and seconded by councelor

751
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:56,000
Simpson that staff report IND 202513

752
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,880
dated May 14, 2025 regarding placement

753
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,960
of hot mix ashvalt and shoulder gravel

754
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,880
be received in that council award

755
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,040
contract

756
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,360
2025002 to Lisbon Paving Company Limited

757
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:11,870
in the amount of

758
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,360
1,161,416 plus applicable

759
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,679
taxes. All in favor? And that is

760
01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:20,639
carried. And I might just add that I in

761
01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:22,159
the time that I've been here at council,

762
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,159
I do not recall ever having a paving

763
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:25,679
budget over a million dollars. So I do

764
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:27,760
want to commend public works and council

765
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,320
for the ambitious goal of trying to pave

766
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,870
more of our

767
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,639
roads. So we're on to 14.2 which is

768
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:39,920
staff report 202514 supply and placement

769
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,679
of double surface treatment. And again

770
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:45,600
back to Mr. moments for a short

771
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,440
because again it was approved in the

772
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,080
capital budget. It's a a little over one

773
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,639
kilometer from the second line over to

774
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:55,520
the Malmer toss town line and again um

775
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,639
very competitive bids came in.

776
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:00,960
Okay, thank you. Comments or questions

777
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,520
on this

778
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,199
item? Okay, seeing none, do have a move

779
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:07,679
for recommendation, please councelor

780
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:12,149
Boros, second by councelor.

781
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:16,000
That staff report IND 2025 014 dated May

782
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,480
14, 2025 regarding supply and placement

783
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:21,120
of double surface treatment be received.

784
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,639
Also award contract

785
01:31:23,639 --> 01:31:26,480
20250002T to Miller Paving Limited in

786
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:28,120
the amount of

787
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,760
$84,770 plus applicable taxes. All those

788
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:36,480
in favor and that is carried.

789
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:39,280
We're on to 14.3 which is staff report

790
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:40,360
bylaw

791
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,560
2025003 and it's regarding the proposed

792
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,600
amendment to the township parking

793
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:50,629
bylaw. Miss Anderson.

794
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:53,120
Good evening Mayor and council. This

795
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,960
bylaw is just an amendment with the new

796
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,320
development. Staff have identified the

797
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,320
need um to adjust our parking bylaw.

798
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,239
We've had some challenges in over the

799
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,400
winter with uh individuals parking over

800
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:09,280
the sidewalks. It's inhibited snow

801
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,600
removal. What we did notice and identify

802
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,120
at that time is that we don't have

803
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,960
anything in place for parking over a

804
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,000
sidewalk in the summer months. This is

805
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,840
particularly challenging within the the

806
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,080
subdivisions. We don't want children

807
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,080
running out onto the street. We want our

808
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,480
families and our residents to be safe.

809
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:28,560
We've received a few complaints, about

810
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,199
15 in one month, and I have identified

811
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:33,440
this need, and we're requesting that

812
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,639
council approve the bylaw to amend um to

813
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:39,480
include parking over sidewalks at all

814
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:42,960
times, and that we require a 3 m

815
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,520
clearance from all fire hydrants.

816
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,360
Okay, thank you. Are there any questions

817
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,280
from council through to

818
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,679
staff? Mr. Nichols. Yeah. I was just

819
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:55,199
wondering when we implement this, do you

820
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,920
think we could send out a uh uh a notice

821
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,960
within our tax uh maybe our tax uh bill

822
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,520
that

823
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,360
we our residents with regards to this

824
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,480
and post it on the website.

825
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,239
Uh we can send it out with the the water

826
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:12,400
bills um at the water bill timing. We

827
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,040
will again educate before we start

828
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,440
implementing ticketing. Of course, we

829
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:19,600
did it over the winter putting notices

830
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,159
on on windshields advising people of

831
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:23,840
this. We we don't want to go out there

832
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,960
and start writing crazy tickets. So, we

833
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,800
will educate. We'll put it out on social

834
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:32,480
media and uh advise the residents.

835
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:34,000
Thank you. And I'll just comment. I

836
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,920
think we have the opportunity. We have a

837
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,840
a leaflet that goes normally with our

838
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:39,840
tax bills that we could uh put some

839
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,199
information on. I don't think the water

840
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,480
bill would go to everybody that we'd be

841
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:45,040
looking at. So, um because there are

842
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,280
sidewalks in areas that don't have town

843
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,480
water. Uh so I think um while

844
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:54,159
particularly um so I think um we could

845
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:55,840
probably just draft that up in the

846
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,000
leaflet and if not I'd be willing to put

847
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,760
that in my uh message as well in that

848
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,199
leaflet. Okay. Any other questions or

849
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,960
comments with regards to the proposed

850
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,560
amendments or in the bylaw and amendment

851
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,480
is on the bylaw section of the agenda.

852
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,560
So this is just the report. So I do have

853
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,639
a mover for this recommendation.

854
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:18,679
Councelor Meadows, second by councelor

855
01:34:18,679 --> 01:34:23,800
Cox. That staff report BLY, sorry, bylaw

856
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,120
2025003 dated May 14, 2025 regarding

857
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,639
proposed amendment to township parking

858
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:30,560
bylaw to prohibit parking over a

859
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,480
sidewalk into require 3 meter clearance

860
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:34,639
from hydrants be received. and that

861
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,400
council consider the necessary bylaw to

862
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,679
amend parking bylaw 0421 to prohibit

863
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,080
parking over sidewalk and to require a 3

864
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,199
meter clearance from

865
01:34:44,199 --> 01:34:46,679
hydrants. Any further questions or

866
01:34:46,679 --> 01:34:51,880
comments? All those in favor? That is

867
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,080
carried. All right. So, we had two items

868
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,960
of staff reports pulled from the consent

869
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,560
agenda. So, that is 13.1 and 134. So we

870
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,000
will deal with 131

871
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,080
first. So this is staff report uh

872
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,159
finance

873
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:12,080
2025005 with regards to the 2024 capital

874
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,920
project year-end status update and

875
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,520
councelor Boros, you pulled this item

876
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,080
for consideration. Yes, through the

877
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,440
chair. Thank you very much for the

878
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:21,360
opportunity. Just a a a quick question

879
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,920
to uh our treasurer uh on I think it's

880
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,239
labeled page 304 and it would be the

881
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,080
fourth item from the bottom of the page

882
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,560
under infrastructure, capital, hamlet,

883
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,760
roads,

884
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,800
works. I see

885
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,960
$369,000 spent on a budget of $200,000.

886
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,239
I was just wondering why and why was it

887
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,960
overspent or or it's at 85% overage. So,

888
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,960
it's not an insignificant amount of

889
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:54,149
money.

890
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:55,440
Sorry, just can you confirm which

891
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:58,800
project that was again? Um, this was the

892
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:00,440
uh Hamlet Road

893
01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:03,679
Works that we had a $200,000

894
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,560
uh budget uh capital budget allocated

895
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,639
and then we had an actual year-end

896
01:36:08,639 --> 01:36:12,560
amount spent on the project 369. Mhm.

897
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,960
Uh, and so that's 169,000 over, which is

898
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,040
84%. 84.5 if you want to be exact. Yeah,

899
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,120
I I can go I can go to the treasurer if

900
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:22,480
he has that information, but I believe

901
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:24,880
council approved the overage in that

902
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,800
one. We took that from another funding

903
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,400
source to supplement uh the Hamlet uh

904
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,880
microsurfacing. Yeah. Through uh through

905
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,520
your worship to to councelor Bozos. Yes.

906
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,159
And previously council approved the

907
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:39,600
additional funding because there was

908
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:44,719
additional uh work in the second year uh

909
01:36:44,719 --> 01:36:46,400
for the hamlet. So we approved

910
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,080
additional funding source which I

911
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,239
believe I've identified in the in the

912
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:53,550
project

913
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,239
comments. Well the the funding comes

914
01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:57,920
from either a reserve or reserve fund

915
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,149
not from the project directly.

916
01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,000
Okay. So it came from the asset

917
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,000
management reserve. I guess it's

918
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,600
correct. It was funded from the

919
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,600
additional funding was from the the

920
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,520
asset management reserve. I didn't

921
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,199
adjust the budget. Council approved the

922
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:15,040
funding. The funding source was the

923
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,870
asset management reserve.

924
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,679
Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. Any

925
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:23,520
further questions, discussion questions?

926
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:24,719
No. Thank you for the opportunity. All

927
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,400
right. Any other questions or comments

928
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:27,679
from members of council with regard to

929
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:30,239
this item? Councelor Simpson through the

930
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,199
chair. Um, with regard to the total

931
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:37,639
variance, um, I think we're seeing

932
01:37:37,639 --> 01:37:40,560
1,346,000. Um, is this amount going back

933
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,679
into reserves then?

934
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,159
Uh, it's through your worship to uh,

935
01:37:46,159 --> 01:37:48,719
counselor Simpson. So, uh, that

936
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:52,239
carryover amount actually represents um

937
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:55,440
all of the uh, projects that are are uh

938
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,719
are closed. So essentially uh money

939
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:01,520
that's not spent or unspent funds in a

940
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,440
capital project. What that translates

941
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:05,920
into we didn't use that money in the

942
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,639
reserve or reserve fund. So that much is

943
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:11,280
left over left over in the reserves

944
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:13,760
which is essentially being put into

945
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,080
projects into 2025 and that's why you

946
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,199
see that uh uptick in uh the roads

947
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:22,280
projects. Oh, sorry.

948
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,840
Um, in 2025, we're taxing we're

949
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,639
collecting taxes from our residents. Um,

950
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:33,920
these are funds from 2024, right?

951
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,000
So, if I might, Councelor Simpson, I

952
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,320
believe the the intention that treasurer

953
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:41,840
was just saying is we're using the the

954
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,320
variance of last year that was remaining

955
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,360
in the reserve funds to actually fund

956
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,119
capital projects this year because none

957
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:50,840
of our capital projects in

958
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,600
2025 are tax levy impact. They're

959
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,520
completely out of reserves. So, the

960
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,360
intention was to use uh and I think it

961
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:00,800
was at time at the budget time we

962
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,440
explained the intention was to spend

963
01:39:03,440 --> 01:39:06,880
more on our capital needs in 2025 using

964
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,840
some of those residual funds that we

965
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,239
didn't spend in 2024. And I I'll look to

966
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:14,000
the treasurer just to to comment, but

967
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,440
like I said, I don't think I've never

968
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:18,000
seen a $ 1.1 billion budget for for

969
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,920
paving. And so, we've utilized like two

970
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,360
years of some of spending to do in one.

971
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,440
I'll just go back to the treasur uh

972
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,920
through your worship uh to council in

973
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,360
general. So in in essence uh any project

974
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:35,119
that we is under budget um these are all

975
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,400
what you're seeing here uh in in what's

976
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,080
uh the favorable variance is from 2024

977
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,639
or prior year approved projects. And

978
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:47,040
essentially if a project is underspent

979
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,719
that means that whatever that uh project

980
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:52,800
was funded from whether it be a reserve

981
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,760
a reserve fund means it was that that

982
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,280
money was initially committed to that

983
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,040
project now that's uncommitted that mean

984
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:00,639
that means we have not spent that money

985
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:02,560
in the reserve so that means the reserve

986
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,199
or the reserve fund has more money to be

987
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,880
kept on for future projects and to I

988
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,320
think better answer councelor Simpson's

989
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,760
uh question in terms of uh taxes or

990
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,280
whatever uh the the the the reserve the

991
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,480
reserves are are funded from the tax

992
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:26,080
levy. So we do you know for asset

993
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:27,679
management reserve, the fleet reserve,

994
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:30,480
the fire reserve, we have builtin

995
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:32,880
reserve transfers in the annual

996
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:35,280
operating budget and then the reserve

997
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,400
funds are essentially uh OCIF and gas

998
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,280
tax funding. Um so that's essentially

999
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,440
free money. So if we didn't spend it,

1000
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,760
we're allowed to carry that over. uh the

1001
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,320
money that's in in the the reserve fund

1002
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,520
for gas tax or OCAF, we're allowed to

1003
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,119
spend it in future years, which is

1004
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,679
exactly what we're doing in 2025. Thank

1005
01:40:55,679 --> 01:40:57,760
you. Um through the chair, I don't ask

1006
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,440
the question because I'm confused about

1007
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:04,600
how we do our funding. Uh I'm noting

1008
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,360
specifically that we have an amount in

1009
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,360
excess that remains within reserves. So

1010
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,840
if you look at it for a 2024 fiscal

1011
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,320
year, you're looking at about 4 millions

1012
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,080
that that's going to be staying in

1013
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,960
reserves because we allocated 1.6

1014
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,040
million for reserves specifically in the

1015
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:24,440
2024

1016
01:41:24,440 --> 01:41:29,040
budget. On top of that, we have a 1.5

1017
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,520
million surplus from our operating

1018
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,679
budget and now a $ 1.3 million surplus

1019
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:40,080
from our capital budget. So, my concern

1020
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,760
is we're building up our reserves, and I

1021
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,040
love reserves, and I've said this

1022
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:46,560
before, I love reserves. Um, but I I

1023
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:47,840
don't think we need to increase our

1024
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,719
reserves by $4 million. And I think um

1025
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:53,040
it might be more appropriate that uh we

1026
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,280
address some of the deficiencies in our

1027
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:56,960
infrastructure

1028
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,520
um and and utilize some of these funds

1029
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,880
for those. Um, I would note specifically

1030
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,719
that when the two-year road project um

1031
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:10,480
was approved by this council that uh we

1032
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,400
took certain roads that were approved by

1033
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,199
a previous council and took those roads

1034
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:19,840
out of that um list of uh projects that

1035
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,400
needed to be completed um and put

1036
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,960
certain other roads on there. And you

1037
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,320
know, I I think it's important to

1038
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,280
prioritize all roads and and I think it

1039
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:31,600
would be prudent to see a report coming

1040
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,480
to council um that perhaps puts back

1041
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,480
some of those roads that were meant to

1042
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,400
be paved over um based on previous

1043
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,560
council's uh recommendation and and we

1044
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,800
should certainly uh look forward to

1045
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,800
seeing a report that that identifies

1046
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,600
that. So um perhaps if staff can look

1047
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,960
into that, I think that might be a good

1048
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,719
thing. Thank you. Thank you, Councelor

1049
01:42:54,719 --> 01:42:56,960
Simpson. I might just comment as well,

1050
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,719
though. I I do believe you may not think

1051
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:00,080
you're confused on it, but I believe

1052
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,320
there is some confusion on the matter.

1053
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,040
Uh this is just not 2024 capital

1054
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,199
projects. These are 2022 and 2023

1055
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:09,760
capital projects. So, the 1.3 is not

1056
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,679
realized over one year, it's realized

1057
01:43:11,679 --> 01:43:14,639
over several years. Uh so, this is a

1058
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,880
combination of all the budgets that we

1059
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,679
have passed plus uh really a budget that

1060
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:21,600
was passed in the previous term. So

1061
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,119
these are just carry forward projects

1062
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:25,920
that have been closed um moving forward

1063
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,560
and that there is so this there's a

1064
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,639
there's a variance favorable but

1065
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:33,639
variance in the actual reserve

1066
01:43:33,639 --> 01:43:36,320
funding. Um but I also want to just

1067
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,119
acknowledge to council that we didn't

1068
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:40,480
increase our reserve transfer this year

1069
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,960
in our budget. Um so what we had last

1070
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:47,040
year in 2020 uh four for budget to

1071
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,880
transfer to reserves we remain the same

1072
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,600
in 2025. So we're utilizing the same

1073
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,440
dollars in each in each budget. So there

1074
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:55,840
was no tax implication to increase our

1075
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,080
reserve funds this year because it was

1076
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,159
the same amount that was going in from

1077
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:03,360
last year. So I understand, you know,

1078
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,719
the concern that we want to spend more

1079
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:06,400
money on our capital projects and I

1080
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,159
think we've made good steps in that in

1081
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:09,600
that regard. I think we see it tonight

1082
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,800
on our agenda with the paving and and uh

1083
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,560
and double surface treatment. I think

1084
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,239
we've made good progress on it and I

1085
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,320
think if we can utilize these dollars in

1086
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,560
the best possible places then we're in

1087
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:21,639
good

1088
01:44:21,639 --> 01:44:24,840
shape. Councelor

1089
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,480
Cox through the chair to uh Mr. Wilmans.

1090
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,480
Are there any uh road projects that are

1091
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:32,800
like shelf ready able to be implemented

1092
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:34,320
that maybe we could push through since

1093
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,880
we do have a surplus in uh in reserve

1094
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:40,719
funding? Yeah, there's

1095
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,119
sorry through the chair councelor Cox.

1096
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:45,440
There is a few um chunks of roads that

1097
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:47,920
are basically shovel ready that we could

1098
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,960
um push forward with minimal work to

1099
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,600
bring them up. Um some of them is like a

1100
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,880
river road down off of County Road One.

1101
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,800
Uh services quite a few houses. It's

1102
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,280
gravel. It could possibly be a a

1103
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,119
candidate for either tar and chip or

1104
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:07,840
ashvault without a lot of um prep work

1105
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,159
supplementary through the chair. Would I

1106
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,080
be a would we be able to obtain a report

1107
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:14,719
of the list of roads that are like uh

1108
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:17,119
project shelf ready for implementation

1109
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:19,119
for maybe next uh council meeting so

1110
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:21,440
that we can make a a decision on maybe

1111
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:22,960
implementing more infrastructure work

1112
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,560
with this additional funding? Yeah.

1113
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,080
Through the chair. Yeah. Um we could

1114
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:27,840
possibly get that pulled together. Uh

1115
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,800
it' be a high level of what um what

1116
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,719
looks good on the on the surface and we

1117
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:34,560
have to detail and go and look at

1118
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,199
culverts and stuff. Uh one one that I

1119
01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:40,560
just came up on is is the town line um

1120
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,639
of the Puckley. We were going to extend

1121
01:45:42,639 --> 01:45:44,719
that paving a little bit farther and we

1122
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:46,800
found a covert that has collapsed or is

1123
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,119
collapsing. So it's uh you know

1124
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:53,669
something needs to be done that way. So

1125
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:56,080
So I I'll just comment on on that as

1126
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,000
well that uh again we have to be

1127
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,360
cognizant we can certainly get a report

1128
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,400
back for staff but we have to be

1129
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,400
cognizant here. This is not all public

1130
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,360
work dollars. So we have to be mindful

1131
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,440
that these reserve funds are not simply

1132
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,679
just for asset management and public

1133
01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:12,239
works. So there may not be the funding

1134
01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:14,480
level that we're thinking that there is

1135
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:17,119
to do additional road works. And I would

1136
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:19,440
just caution that

1137
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,440
um as much as Mr. Mr. can certainly

1138
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:24,639
provide the report. Uh mid-year budget

1139
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:27,920
changes and additions to workload uh to

1140
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,119
our staff and to a paving contractor may

1141
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:33,119
change some of the pricing that we do

1142
01:46:33,119 --> 01:46:35,679
see early on in the year. Uh so we may

1143
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:37,520
not see the best bang for the dollar

1144
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,440
when we go through a mid-year process

1145
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:43,040
versus um a start of the year. And so I

1146
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,360
I'll be looking looking to staff for

1147
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,040
comments on this as well. But I think

1148
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,560
the opportunity is if we would like to

1149
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,679
add more in a 2026 budget, that would be

1150
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,760
the opportune time to look at that

1151
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:55,920
rather than a midyear. But I'll go to

1152
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,400
the CO first and council medals. Thank

1153
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,560
you, Mr. Mayor. As we move forward with

1154
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,920
our roads need study that determines the

1155
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,719
road itself with respect to the

1156
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:09,199
condition of the existing roads and it

1157
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:12,880
also takes into the into account um the

1158
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,600
traffic on the roads, the road use, the

1159
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,719
road size, the base of the road and so

1160
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:22,239
that uh analysis will be done and ranked

1161
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:26,320
to note which roads are the best bang

1162
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,239
for the buck and that's how we're going

1163
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,480
to be moving moving forward uh once that

1164
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:32,560
roads need study is complete. Uh

1165
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:36,080
however, as noted previously, the public

1166
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,400
works crew do run the roads every day

1167
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,360
and have up tothe-m minutee uh condition

1168
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,360
assessments in their mind. So there will

1169
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,600
be discussions, not just a um a shot in

1170
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,560
time, but also a double-checking with uh

1171
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:52,639
the road staff before we give that

1172
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:55,600
presentation to uh to the mayor through

1173
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:57,040
through the budget and our

1174
01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:58,719
recommendations. but it will be based

1175
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:02,320
off of uh of hard facts uh of equations

1176
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,760
and um of a third-party review with

1177
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,960
respect to which roads that staff would

1178
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,040
put forward uh and get the best bang for

1179
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:15,280
the buck. Um and just to note that um as

1180
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:20,000
council just uh has um went forward with

1181
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,600
the contracts um that uh the director of

1182
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,080
public works has put forward. If there

1183
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,520
is uh any substantial change within

1184
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,360
those contracts, it would have to go

1185
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,320
back out. Uh just to note, there are uh

1186
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,239
abilities for us and there are some

1187
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:38,400
flexibilities with that uh that we have

1188
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,280
within a contract to um add a little

1189
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,199
here and there, but as long as there's

1190
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,280
not a substantial change within the

1191
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,520
contract, we can do that. But uh a

1192
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,480
substantial change is sometimes

1193
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:53,360
um objective. Thank you. Okay. Thank

1194
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,480
you, Council Meadows.

1195
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:58,320
Yeah, I I totally agree with the mayor

1196
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,840
on this issue. Uh and also the CEO. Uh I

1197
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,520
hate to start projects in the middle of

1198
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:05,840
the year, especially when uh there

1199
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,520
should be a lot more discussion on the

1200
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,960
area and what what needs to be done and

1201
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,199
the engineering of course. Uh also

1202
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:16,159
there's other issues that are coming to

1203
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,320
play with the township. Uh, one of them

1204
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,320
is a new fireh hall that's going to be

1205
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,520
uh needed funding for uh which we're we

1206
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,440
need the reserves for as well. So,

1207
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:27,840
there's there's a lot of other areas

1208
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,639
that need this money and I'd hate to

1209
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:34,000
just rush into uh one aspect of it which

1210
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,880
is roads and I know our roads need done

1211
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,520
uh throughout the township but uh we

1212
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,520
have to look at this logistically. Thank

1213
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,199
you. Thank you. Any other comments from

1214
01:49:44,199 --> 01:49:46,159
council? All right, seeing none. So

1215
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:47,920
there is a recommendation that the staff

1216
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:49,480
report finance

1217
01:49:49,480 --> 01:49:52,800
20250 dated May 14, 2025 regarding the

1218
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,960
2024 capital project year-end status

1219
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,719
update be received. And do I have a

1220
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,719
mover for that recommendation? Have

1221
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:00,400
councelor Simpson and a second by

1222
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:04,000
councelor Olri. All those in favor and

1223
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,400
that is

1224
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,199
carried. All right. Right. So, the

1225
01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:09,679
second staff report that was pulled was

1226
01:50:09,679 --> 01:50:11,880
uh CLK

1227
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:15,679
20229 strong mayor powers. Uh councelor

1228
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,400
metals, you pulled this item.

1229
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,440
Yeah, I I was uh very concerned when I

1230
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:23,280
saw this first come on the agenda with

1231
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,639
the strong mayor's powers.

1232
01:50:25,639 --> 01:50:29,199
Uh uh we had a a long discussion in

1233
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:30,880
amongst the council here with regards to

1234
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,800
the strong mayor powers moving forward

1235
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,800
and unfortunately I guess the provincial

1236
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:38,320
government doesn't listen to councils

1237
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:42,880
anymore. So uh we're we we do have a we

1238
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:45,600
do have strong mirror powers in place.

1239
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,840
Uh the issue I have with this and and

1240
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,520
and the problem I have with this is uh

1241
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,840
we have no procedural bylaw with regards

1242
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:55,840
to this.

1243
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,760
We need uh a guidance instructions on

1244
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:02,040
how to implement this at this

1245
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,840
table, how we move forward with

1246
01:51:04,840 --> 01:51:08,560
this. And it's up to and it should be a

1247
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,600
top priority for this municipality in

1248
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,320
implementing this

1249
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,840
properly. And right now we have no

1250
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,920
direction on this other than what's been

1251
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:22,159
handed down by the uh Mr. Ford himself.

1252
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:26,040
So, uh, and it's very vague. It's very

1253
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:28,880
vague. And if we're g if it's being

1254
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:32,159
implemented, which it is, then we need

1255
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,840
more information on this and we need it

1256
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,159
now. So, I would put a motion forward

1257
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:41,599
that uh uh we work diligently to have

1258
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:45,679
this uh uh put forward as an emergency

1259
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:50,000
and and get something in writing ASAP.

1260
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:51,840
and I'll put that on the floor as a

1261
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,480
motion if I can.

1262
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:57,280
Before you do, if I if I may comment, um

1263
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,440
I certainly entertain a motion if if

1264
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:03,119
need be. I will indicate that uh the

1265
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,679
CEO, myself, and the clerk have had

1266
01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:08,159
several conversations thus far on how we

1267
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:10,800
are going to manage the new legislation

1268
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,440
and how it's going to affect uh the

1269
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:16,440
relationship between staff and council.

1270
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:20,159
Um, as noted on May 5th, I I have

1271
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:23,520
already uh delegated some of the strong

1272
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,400
mayor powers uh back to council and to

1273
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:30,159
CIO. So particularly the uh the

1274
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,560
organizational structure and the hiring

1275
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,960
and firing of uh senior members of staff

1276
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,679
is back in the hands of the CIO at the

1277
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:40,639
administration level and the appointment

1278
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:43,119
of council committee members and chairs

1279
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:46,400
and vice chairs as well as hiring and

1280
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:49,520
dismissing a CEO are back in the hands

1281
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,599
of of council. So those items have

1282
01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:53,840
already been delegated back to the in my

1283
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,360
opinion the appropriate

1284
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:58,400
representatives and in our other

1285
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,360
conversations that we have had um and

1286
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:04,320
this is to your point councelor Meadows

1287
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,480
um and I think your pre your motion may

1288
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:08,480
be just a bit premature on the matter uh

1289
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,599
at the present time staff are

1290
01:53:10,599 --> 01:53:13,119
investigating options of internal

1291
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:16,800
policies and how we can best lay out the

1292
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,679
framework of how these um I'll call them

1293
01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:22,000
interactions how these interactions do

1294
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,199
play a part with the strong mayor's

1295
01:53:24,199 --> 01:53:28,679
legislation versus uh you know the staff

1296
01:53:28,679 --> 01:53:31,599
relationship structure and the and the

1297
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:35,920
council approval process. So I would say

1298
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,599
I welcome any conversation and any any

1299
01:53:39,599 --> 01:53:42,159
discussion that council may have. I

1300
01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:44,239
would think though for the first while

1301
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:46,719
here to let staff do a bit more research

1302
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:49,280
and understand where we need to go. uh

1303
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:51,440
it is a priority on their plate. I'm

1304
01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:53,119
looking at the clerk right now and it's

1305
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:56,560
something that's uh she's um researched

1306
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,119
quite heavily already. They do also meet

1307
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:00,480
with neighborh neighboring

1308
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:01,760
municipalities for their clerk's

1309
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,280
departments and so it's a more of a

1310
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,280
collaborative approach there as to what

1311
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,360
information's out there and what

1312
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,040
information we can get back to council.

1313
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,159
So it is it is forthcoming and and staff

1314
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,480
is certainly working on it. Um I would

1315
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:17,119
also just note in the report as well um

1316
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:18,719
and I might go to madam clerk just for

1317
01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:21,920
any explanation here as well. The uh the

1318
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,920
province is coming out the ministry is

1319
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,119
coming out with a a training session uh

1320
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:29,119
a virtual training session for members

1321
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:31,520
of council to better understand the

1322
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,920
processes of what the strong mayor

1323
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,920
powers uh will do. So, uh, I agree they

1324
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,719
this may have been a a rush decision on

1325
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:42,639
the behalf of the province, uh, because

1326
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:43,679
you would think they would have a bit

1327
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:46,159
more information forthcoming before they

1328
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,880
launch some new legislation and this

1329
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:50,960
training would be already on the books

1330
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,960
and ready to go. Uh, but they have

1331
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,119
indicated uh, the ministry has indicated

1332
01:54:55,119 --> 01:54:57,119
that there will be training uh, for

1333
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,119
members of council and an understanding

1334
01:54:59,119 --> 01:55:01,560
of what strong mayor powers

1335
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:04,560
um, actually affect the municipality. So

1336
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:05,920
I'll go to the clerk just for a bit more

1337
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,159
explanation. Thank you worship through

1338
01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:10,800
you to council. Uh yes uh I did receive

1339
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,560
an update from the ministry of municipal

1340
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,719
affairs um yesterday prior to this

1341
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:16,400
meeting. Uh they did confirm that there

1342
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,000
will be virtual training sessions for

1343
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:19,840
council that will be rolled out. Uh I

1344
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,840
will provide you with that information.

1345
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:23,360
Uh and additional training will be

1346
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,920
available for them if following um their

1347
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:27,599
virtual sessions you have additional

1348
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:29,440
questions and we need to bring uh

1349
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,280
someone else inhouse to address those

1350
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,239
concerns. um to councelor Meadows um

1351
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:35,760
comments. Councelor Meadows, I had the

1352
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,520
exact same thoughts as you as I read the

1353
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,199
legislation uh in regards to the

1354
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:41,679
procedure bylaw. Uh upon taking a deeper

1355
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:44,239
dive into the legislation and conferring

1356
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,159
with some of my colleagues, uh I would

1357
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:48,000
recommend to council at this time um

1358
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:50,239
that the best um action to take would be

1359
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:51,679
to wait to make any changes to our

1360
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,560
procedure bylaw. And that's because

1361
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,840
automatically uh the strong mayor power

1362
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,360
legislation does trump anything

1363
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,360
contained within our procedure bylaw. it

1364
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:00,800
takes precedent over anything we

1365
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,719
contained in there. The other reason for

1366
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:04,159
that is that fundamentally the

1367
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,320
functioning of our procedural bylaw

1368
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:07,920
doesn't change under the strong mayor

1369
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,000
powers. Uh while we could add additional

1370
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,960
items to speak to those provisions, um

1371
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,360
the mayor already is has the ability to

1372
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:18,000
add items or bylaws uh to the agenda

1373
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:19,679
without us making any changes to our

1374
01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:21,520
procedure bylaw by right of the

1375
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,840
legislation enacted by the province uh

1376
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,239
on May 1st. Um so my recommendation to

1377
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:28,159
council at this time is let's sit with

1378
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:29,760
the strong mayor powers. Let's explore

1379
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,000
them. Um see how these are going to work

1380
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,480
for our municipality and then plan to

1381
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,000
make changes as we go forward either

1382
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,280
into 2026 or 2027. Uh the other reason

1383
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:41,040
for that as well as everyone knows is

1384
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,960
there is a m municipal election coming

1385
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:46,159
up in 2026. uh decisions um regarding

1386
01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:48,159
strong mayor powers may change and we

1387
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:49,760
need to be very mindful about the way

1388
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:52,480
that we amend policies and bylaws um to

1389
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,400
ensure that they work under all all

1390
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,080
situations. So as Mayor Anderson has

1391
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:58,159
spoken to, he has delegated authorities

1392
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:00,719
back to council and the CIO at this

1393
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:02,239
time. We want to make sure that the

1394
01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:04,719
policies we put in place work both with

1395
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:06,880
that authority being delegated and if

1396
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,719
there's another mayor in the future um

1397
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:10,159
who chooses not to delegate those

1398
01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:12,000
authorities, those policies are still in

1399
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,520
place. So we're not constantly updating

1400
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,679
those documents. So my request to

1401
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:17,679
council today would be um to take the

1402
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:19,440
training from the ministry and allow

1403
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:21,760
staff more time to see how um the strong

1404
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,360
mayor powers are going to impact the

1405
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,360
township and do a case study on our

1406
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,199
procedure bylaw at this time.

1407
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:30,960
Supplemental. Yes, sir. Okay. This is

1408
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,400
where I have a problem with this whole

1409
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,400
situation is we have developments that

1410
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:37,000
are coming forward right now. Right this

1411
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:39,119
minute, we have meetings that are going

1412
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,880
on with regards to these developments.

1413
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:43,719
And right

1414
01:57:43,719 --> 01:57:46,520
now, this

1415
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:48,960
council can be overridden on every

1416
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:50,440
decision being

1417
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:53,760
made. That's the problem I have. It's no

1418
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,880
longer a democratic p uh position. The

1419
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,840
mayor has all the

1420
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:02,080
power. American over. No, I will have to

1421
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:04,159
correct you there because point point.

1422
01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:06,040
No, I have to correct you

1423
01:58:06,040 --> 01:58:10,400
because the policy still the legislation

1424
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,560
doesn't overrule

1425
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,440
council. So, there are provisions in the

1426
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:19,599
legislation that permit the mayor to

1427
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:22,719
provide uh a the budget to provide a

1428
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:26,239
bylaw which still requires onethird of

1429
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:29,480
the vote of council. So

1430
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:32,400
it I I take exception to say that the

1431
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:34,239
mayor has all the power and I'm not

1432
01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:36,320
trying to make this personal one bit at

1433
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:39,280
all. But what I want to make sure is the

1434
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,639
legislation is very clear that there are

1435
01:58:42,639 --> 01:58:47,520
still uh decisions being made by members

1436
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,880
of council and not solely by the mayor.

1437
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:52,560
Supplemental then and you have the

1438
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,639
floor. Sorry. And I just I apologize for

1439
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:56,560
for the interjecting, but that's I just

1440
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:57,760
want to make sure that there is it's

1441
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,320
clear that well maybe I maybe I wasn't

1442
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,199
clear in what I was saying. Okay. What

1443
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:06,800
I'm concerned about is us being

1444
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,920
overridden as a

1445
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,599
council and not knowing that we're

1446
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:13,679
overridden by a council. I know it

1447
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:16,440
states that council has to be

1448
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:19,920
informed and we have 21 days to or we

1449
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:23,199
have 21 days. But the problem I have

1450
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:26,239
sitting here is we do not have a

1451
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,639
mechanism in place in our procedural

1452
01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:30,760
bylaw that puts that

1453
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:35,159
forward. Okay, that's the problem I

1454
01:59:35,159 --> 01:59:38,480
have. Now, we can sit here and we can

1455
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:42,159
vote on something. You can uh override

1456
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:44,960
what what this council has said if it's

1457
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,520
under five people that have made that

1458
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:50,719
decision. You need we need twothirds of

1459
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:54,000
a majority to override whatever you have

1460
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,560
put into like if you if you've

1461
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,360
overridden it. Where's the mechanism

1462
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:03,199
that's in place that says that that's

1463
02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:06,960
going to come forward within 21 days or

1464
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,840
whatever uh time limit that's needed.

1465
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:12,159
There's nothing in our procedural bylaw

1466
02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:14,560
that states that.

1467
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:17,679
So I'm cons that's where my concern is

1468
02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:21,199
and the fact that this council has has

1469
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:23,320
worked well this term of

1470
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:26,080
council and this is as far as I'm

1471
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:27,840
concerned this is a wrench that's gone

1472
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,400
into the spokes of the turning wheel and

1473
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:34,830
this is all because of the Ford

1474
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:38,320
government and on top of that there's

1475
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,400
other things that he's changing for the

1476
02:00:40,400 --> 02:00:42,159
development community which is the

1477
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:45,360
endangered species uh act bill five he's

1478
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,159
put

1479
02:00:47,159 --> 02:00:51,280
forward like what's going on here like

1480
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,760
we have I don't even know why we have

1481
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:57,599
counsel anymore I really don't because

1482
02:00:57,599 --> 02:01:00,320
he has given that executive power to the

1483
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:03,550
mayor to make those

1484
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:05,840
decisions and that's where the problem

1485
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,320
is that we're eventually not going to

1486
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,880
have a democratic process and the people

1487
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:13,520
of this community are no longer going to

1488
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:15,320
have a

1489
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:18,400
voice? None. Because it's not going to

1490
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:22,639
be a parliamentary rule uh or decision.

1491
02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:24,560
It's going to be the decision of one

1492
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:29,280
person who has more power than the the

1493
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:32,159
uh premier of Ontario, which doesn't

1494
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:35,480
make any sense to me. He's given every

1495
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:38,040
mayor the that

1496
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:43,350
power. It doesn't make sense.

1497
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:45,599
Where are we going in this province? I

1498
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:47,280
mean, if I was a citizen in this

1499
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,199
township, I would be absolutely

1500
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:51,360
appalled, but I've heard nothing. It's

1501
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,119
been as quiet as a mouse out there.

1502
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:55,239
Nobody

1503
02:01:55,239 --> 02:01:57,840
cares. No, I'm just saying nobody seems

1504
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:58,599
to

1505
02:01:58,599 --> 02:02:01,280
care. I'm sitting here as a counselor

1506
02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:02,800
that's supposed to be a democratic

1507
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,119
process and my powers have just been

1508
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:07,360
wiped out. And this isn't a speech. This

1509
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:09,239
is fact. This is stuff that's gone

1510
02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:12,159
through and we all should be pissed off

1511
02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:13,599
here. And it's sorry that's not

1512
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:16,639
parliamentary rules but or words, but I

1513
02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:19,599
would be and I would be as a citizen of

1514
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:22,109
this

1515
02:02:22,119 --> 02:02:24,320
township. Anyways, that's all I have to

1516
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,719
say on that. Thank you. I I'll go back

1517
02:02:26,719 --> 02:02:28,560
to the clerk for some clarification as

1518
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:30,320
well, but I I do have three initial

1519
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:32,599
comments on that

1520
02:02:32,599 --> 02:02:34,960
one. Excuse me. I'm just been getting

1521
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:38,589
over cold as well.

1522
02:02:38,599 --> 02:02:41,679
Um the uh the first item I I do want to

1523
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:43,360
acknowledge and again I think I've been

1524
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:44,719
very clear in my comments earlier

1525
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:47,599
tonight u we're not throwing a wrench

1526
02:02:47,599 --> 02:02:50,080
into this process. We have been working

1527
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,080
very well together and that's the full

1528
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,880
intention of myself uh and I would hope

1529
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,040
the rest of the council to continue

1530
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:00,000
working in a collaborative meaningful

1531
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,480
way. I I think that is the best the best

1532
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:05,520
decision-making process you can have. So

1533
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,159
I'm not looking to change anything in

1534
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:09,320
that

1535
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:13,119
regard. 170 municipalities, 170 mayors

1536
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,679
have strong mayor powers. They're

1537
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,360
granted by the province under

1538
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:20,639
legislation. We are all going through

1539
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:22,639
the same situation. This is going to be

1540
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:24,480
a learning curve for a lot of

1541
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:27,679
municipalities of 170 who have these

1542
02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:29,280
powers.

1543
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:31,440
I've seen in in multiple cases already

1544
02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:34,960
where uh like myself they've uh many

1545
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,480
mayors have uh provided the delegation

1546
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,199
back to the CEO and council for the

1547
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:44,159
things they can delegate back. There are

1548
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:46,719
certain um duties under the new

1549
02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:48,800
legislation that the mayor simply has to

1550
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:53,920
use cannot delegate to anyone. And I've

1551
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:57,119
been very clear that it if and when that

1552
02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:59,040
has to be used because they will have to

1553
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:02,400
be used because if to have some to have

1554
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,000
any mayor say that they don't have to

1555
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,639
use them is incorrect. They have to use

1556
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:10,000
them. There's uh the budget, there's

1557
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,280
bylaws, there's items that they must act

1558
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:16,599
on. Uh so these are these are things

1559
02:04:16,599 --> 02:04:19,440
that I personally will do in the best

1560
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:21,679
interest of the municipality and with

1561
02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:23,840
advice from council and staff because

1562
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:25,520
that is how municipalities are supposed

1563
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,280
to work with

1564
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:32,639
collaboration. We have um I I guess the

1565
02:04:32,639 --> 02:04:36,239
overarching theme here is I whether you

1566
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:39,119
agree with the powers bestowed by the

1567
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,320
province to strong mayor powers to this

1568
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,280
170 municipalities or

1569
02:04:44,280 --> 02:04:47,679
not. We have to work together. Democracy

1570
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:50,480
is still here. We all sit at this table.

1571
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:54,119
We all have a voice. We all can provide

1572
02:04:54,119 --> 02:04:56,880
opinions. That is not going anywhere. We

1573
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,040
are keeping that and the province is not

1574
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:01,040
taking that away. So we have the

1575
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:02,719
opportunity to sit here to make

1576
02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:05,760
decisions to make informative decisions

1577
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,480
and the process is that I I would concur

1578
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,480
with councelor medals that yes they're

1579
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:12,960
not in the procedure bylaw uh but as the

1580
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:16,480
clerk indicated earlier the legislation

1581
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,719
does lay out the process for how the

1582
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:21,080
mayor has to respond to

1583
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:23,679
council has to provide notice. the

1584
02:05:23,679 --> 02:05:26,639
timelines are within that legislation

1585
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:28,159
and then council would follow that

1586
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:29,840
legislation as well if there were any

1587
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,159
instance where a bylaw needed to be uh

1588
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:35,040
vetoed. There are processes in place.

1589
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:36,560
So, and I will go to the clerk just for

1590
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,000
clarification on that because I think

1591
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,639
that's being lost a wee bit that the

1592
02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:42,480
legislation we are creatures of the

1593
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:44,320
province. We are here at the will of the

1594
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:45,679
province. If the province doesn't want

1595
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:47,440
us here, they will tell us they don't

1596
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:50,639
want us here. We act on their behalf and

1597
02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:52,960
we through them. Uh so if they provide

1598
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:55,920
legislation to us, it trumps some of the

1599
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,679
information or some of the policies that

1600
02:05:57,679 --> 02:05:59,840
we have, their policies and their

1601
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,400
legislation um supersedes what we have.

1602
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:03,760
So I'll go to the clerk just for a bit

1603
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:05,199
more clarification on this. Thank you,

1604
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,360
your worship through to council. Uh for

1605
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,159
clarity, in the event that a bylaw is

1606
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:12,000
vetoed, uh there is currently a

1607
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:13,760
mechanism within our township procedure

1608
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:15,599
bylaw to allow council to reconsider

1609
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:17,360
that bylaw as per the strong merit

1610
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:20,080
legislation. Uh what um would most

1611
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:21,920
likely occur is that a majority of

1612
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,000
council would petition myself for a

1613
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,320
council meeting to reconsider the bylaw

1614
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:28,480
as per the legislation. I would receive

1615
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,320
that petition from a majority of council

1616
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:31,679
and the meeting would be held at the

1617
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:34,079
date and time as per the petition. That

1618
02:06:34,079 --> 02:06:36,079
would be the item listed on the agenda

1619
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:38,320
and then in order to overturn the veto,

1620
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,480
it would be a twothirds vote of all of

1621
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:42,320
council. So not just who's in attendance

1622
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:44,880
at the meeting, but council as a whole.

1623
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:46,880
So, the mechanism to overturn a veto

1624
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,320
does currently exist within our

1625
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:50,320
procedure bylaw and the same process

1626
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:52,880
could be applied um to vetos applied to

1627
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:54,719
budget amendments that were passed by

1628
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:57,280
council.

1629
02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:59,119
All right. So, I'll go to council for

1630
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:03,030
comments or questions.

1631
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:05,760
You're the chair. My major concern is

1632
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:08,000
I've read everything that's been

1633
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:09,480
presented so

1634
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:12,639
far. There's no duration.

1635
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:14,719
It doesn't say how long this is going to

1636
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:18,360
be in effect. It doesn't

1637
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:23,000
uh say that now Scott

1638
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:26,679
has returned the power to council with

1639
02:07:26,679 --> 02:07:30,239
regards to delegation CEO and things

1640
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:33,199
like that, but we're having a municipal

1641
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:36,480
election in a little over a year. So,

1642
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:38,880
what happens if we get a new mayor and

1643
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,440
he doesn't agree to that? But there's

1644
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:44,800
another major issue there. It's not like

1645
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,199
Scott's personality is not in question

1646
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:50,800
or his his delegation of authorities not

1647
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:54,560
in question. It's down the road. If this

1648
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,119
is not addressed now, we're going to

1649
02:07:57,119 --> 02:08:00,079
have a major issue. I mean, there's

1650
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:04,639
seven people sitting here and I think I

1651
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:07,760
don't know how we do this. Uh maybe

1652
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:10,719
Robin can find out for us or whatever,

1653
02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:13,679
but I think we need to go to the

1654
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:16,000
provincial government and say to a say

1655
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:19,920
to them, explain to us how we can run

1656
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:24,079
this in a democratic manner because as

1657
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:26,320
far as I'm concerned, it's not a

1658
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:29,520
democratic matter. It's far beyond that.

1659
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:33,119
it it's like uh basically it's like a

1660
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:36,239
communist uh move really when you come

1661
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,159
right down to it. One person delegates

1662
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:40,400
everything and it's not and it's not

1663
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:41,800
right.

1664
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:45,360
So, I know we did uh we we had a long

1665
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:49,040
discussion and everybody in the room

1666
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:52,440
voted against it and

1667
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:55,920
I for this term I think we're all right

1668
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:59,280
but I the next term I don't know that's

1669
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:03,280
my problem. Thank you. So I'll go to

1670
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,520
Madame Clerk. I'm not sure if if you've

1671
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,920
had any communication with province or

1672
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,159
maybe neighboring municipalities as to

1673
02:09:10,159 --> 02:09:13,040
what other avenues of approach um you

1674
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,199
know as councelor Oli indicates there

1675
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:17,520
might be. Thank you worship through to

1676
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:20,719
councelor Ori. Um so as he did mention

1677
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:23,920
um this council did pass a resolution um

1678
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:25,840
advocating to the province not to expand

1679
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:27,920
strong mayor powers. Um that letter was

1680
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:29,920
sent into the province um as well as

1681
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:31,119
submitted as comments on the

1682
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:33,360
legislation. And I know letters similar

1683
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:34,960
to the one that we submitted have been

1684
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:36,719
circulated by multiple municipalities

1685
02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:39,280
across the province. Um at this time the

1686
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:41,079
province isn't

1687
02:09:41,079 --> 02:09:43,920
um open for any more commenting in a

1688
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:45,760
formal capacity. Uh but what I would

1689
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:47,280
encourage council to do is I know some

1690
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:48,800
members of this council are encouraging

1691
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,639
conferences are attending conferences

1692
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:54,639
such as AMO. Uh you are um politicians

1693
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:56,880
for this community. Uh so if you do

1694
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,800
still feel strongly about this, I would

1695
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:00,800
encourage you to attend conferences and

1696
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:02,320
advocate for your position to your

1697
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:05,599
counterparts across the province.

1698
02:10:05,599 --> 02:10:07,199
Thank you. So I've seen some multiple

1699
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:08,400
hands here. So I've got councelor

1700
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:10,159
Simpson and then I'm going to go back to

1701
02:10:10,159 --> 02:10:12,800
councelor Borzos and councelor Cox.

1702
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:13,960
Thank you.

1703
02:10:13,960 --> 02:10:17,760
Um through the chair.

1704
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:21,199
Um, with regard to this, u, I'm not

1705
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:23,199
going to blame the mayor for the

1706
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:25,560
decisions of another, uh, level of

1707
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:28,960
government. Um, so, you know, it's the

1708
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,119
province. We voted against it. We've

1709
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:34,239
noted our objection to the legislation.

1710
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:36,840
Um, and and we've noted that

1711
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:40,320
strongly. Um, but and and and with

1712
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:42,000
respect to some of the things that the

1713
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:43,920
the mayor has delegated and perhaps

1714
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:45,119
there are other things that can be

1715
02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:47,920
delegated as well. Um my concern is that

1716
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:52,679
many things can happen behind the scenes

1717
02:10:52,679 --> 02:10:56,960
and those changes and those decisions

1718
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:59,239
would not even come before

1719
02:10:59,239 --> 02:11:01,360
council especially with the developments

1720
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:04,880
that are coming forward um and the other

1721
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:08,880
provisions in the act. I have a lot of

1722
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:12,480
concerns. It it quite literally reduces

1723
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,280
the power of counsel. Um, a lot of

1724
02:11:15,280 --> 02:11:18,520
decisions are made before it comes to

1725
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:21,760
council. Um, when it comes to creating a

1726
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,079
budget, for example, um, that's

1727
02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:26,480
something that the mayor would have the

1728
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:29,520
ability to put forward. Um, and and

1729
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:32,960
those are concerning uh concerning

1730
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:38,079
issues. Um a and certainly um you know

1731
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:40,639
I'm not going to comment on our budgets

1732
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:44,239
but but you know I it creates a fair

1733
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,000
system when staff are the one planning

1734
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,639
it when the systems when we have

1735
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:51,440
procedures in place that you know the

1736
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:54,400
budget is allocated towards what the

1737
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,719
greatest needs are as opposed to

1738
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:59,440
different areas of the municipality. So

1739
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:02,360
there's a lot of issues that I see with

1740
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:06,000
that and and and the biggest problem

1741
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:08,159
that I see with this is that there's

1742
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:10,239
nothing in this legislation that shows

1743
02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:13,159
that it will result in building more

1744
02:12:13,159 --> 02:12:16,159
homes faster because that is the whole

1745
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:18,360
intent of this

1746
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:21,440
legislation. Now that said, this is our

1747
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:23,920
this is our reality. Um and we are in

1748
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,079
this situation where we have to move

1749
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:29,440
forward as a council with this. Um so I

1750
02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:32,079
I would like to see a timeline on when

1751
02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:35,280
council can have the training. Um and

1752
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,760
additionally uh if that training is

1753
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:41,040
happening online or in silos, um then

1754
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,199
perhaps we should have a follow-up

1755
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:45,360
meeting that's set up so that we can

1756
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,560
discuss and strategize on how we move

1757
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:52,320
forward. Um, you know, a as much as this

1758
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:54,239
is new legislation for us, this is not

1759
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:57,360
new legislation, it has been in place in

1760
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:58,880
other municipalities, 40 other

1761
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:02,000
municipalities for over two years. Um, I

1762
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,719
I know that the AMCTO

1763
02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:08,119
um especially has guidelines and has

1764
02:13:08,119 --> 02:13:11,679
prepared a lot of information for uh

1765
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:14,800
municipal staff on on these issues. So,

1766
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:17,520
if we can get that briefing sooner, I I

1767
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,480
think that would uh benefit all of us.

1768
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:22,560
Thank you.

1769
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:23,679
Okay. And I'm just going to go back to

1770
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:25,440
the clerk. Did we have a timeline from

1771
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:26,639
the ministry as to when they were

1772
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:28,079
planning on doing this training? Uh

1773
02:13:28,079 --> 02:13:29,280
through your worship to counselor

1774
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,440
Simpson. Uh so I initially made contact

1775
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:33,040
with the ministry approximately two

1776
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,719
weeks ago. Um they didn't have a

1777
02:13:34,719 --> 02:13:37,119
timeline at that time. Uh I like I said

1778
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:38,800
I did receive an update earlier this

1779
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:40,400
week from them saying that they will be

1780
02:13:40,400 --> 02:13:42,960
releasing um times for the online

1781
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:44,960
training shortly and that they won't be

1782
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:47,360
entertaining um any additional in-person

1783
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:49,040
training until those virtual sessions

1784
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:50,960
have occurred. So um I've been in

1785
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:52,800
contact with two of our representatives

1786
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,880
from the ministry uh and I can continue

1787
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:56,480
to reach out to them and put pressure on

1788
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,480
them for those training dates. Uh but we

1789
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:00,880
are waiting for them um to provide those

1790
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:02,320
dates to us and then I'll get them to

1791
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:05,119
council as soon as possible. Okay. Thank

1792
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:07,599
you. Uh, councelor Borzos. Yes, thank

1793
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:09,119
you through the chair. It's more of a

1794
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:10,719
comment than than a question. I guess

1795
02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:12,079
everybody's commenting, so why should I

1796
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:14,119
be any different? But

1797
02:14:14,119 --> 02:14:16,639
um, I'm trying to look at this from a

1798
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:19,040
little more pragmatic point of view. And

1799
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,440
while my colleagues were talking here, I

1800
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:23,199
went up and down, back and forth, left

1801
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,239
and right on the strong mayor powers

1802
02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:29,400
chapter of the Ontario municipal council

1803
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:31,920
guide. Nowhere, anywhere in there, it

1804
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:33,840
says that the mayor must accept these

1805
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:36,079
powers. It says the mayor can, the mayor

1806
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:38,079
shall, the mayor could, the mayor if he

1807
02:14:38,079 --> 02:14:41,360
wants to. Nowhere. So to me the best

1808
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:43,679
solution to to this would be just to say

1809
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:44,840
that okay in

1810
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:47,199
Agelasontio we will write out the rest

1811
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:50,880
of this term as we were up until now.

1812
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:52,960
And if the province doesn't like it then

1813
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:55,040
you know what too bad for them we have

1814
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,840
our own ways of of deciding over certain

1815
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,800
things. And I mean maybe this is up to

1816
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,119
the mayor to to decide and say okay I

1817
02:15:03,119 --> 02:15:05,599
wish not to use my powers and I will

1818
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:08,239
just run the the council as it was up

1819
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,480
until now and take that year and a half

1820
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:12,079
or a year and a bit that we have left

1821
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:14,239
until next election to do the training

1822
02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:17,800
to do the proper development of bylaws

1823
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:20,320
procedural anything that we need to do

1824
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,560
and then when it comes next term then if

1825
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,400
the strong mayor powers are still in

1826
02:15:24,400 --> 02:15:27,280
place then we can roll into it nicely

1827
02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:28,960
knowing that we've done everything we

1828
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,360
could possibly do and not compromising

1829
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,520
anything and not disrupting any type of

1830
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:37,040
order and to my colleague Mr. Meadows's

1831
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:39,040
point here. We don't put the wrench into

1832
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:40,960
any kind of cogs or wheels. So that

1833
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:42,239
would be my recommendation and

1834
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:44,960
suggestion. Thank you. Thank you. I'm

1835
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:46,440
going to just comment

1836
02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:49,199
again. You know that comment if that was

1837
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:50,800
included in the legislation might have

1838
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:52,639
been helpful that mayors would be able

1839
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:56,480
to say no. Um but it's not. So

1840
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:59,280
unfortunately it is given to the mayors.

1841
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,040
The powers are given the powers and

1842
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:02,560
duties are given to the mayors without

1843
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:05,840
any say. uh the legislation does trump

1844
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:11,239
any of our uh policies and um other

1845
02:16:11,239 --> 02:16:14,760
legislations that are out there. So

1846
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:16,960
unfortunately that can't happen. And

1847
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:18,320
I'll go to the clerk just for the

1848
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,320
clarification on on what that

1849
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:21,920
legislation actually kind of looks like

1850
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:24,639
as to councelor Borzos's comments that

1851
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:25,920
there are certain duties and

1852
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:27,679
responsibilities that are are given to

1853
02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:32,960
the mayor uh without um any opportunity

1854
02:16:32,960 --> 02:16:35,280
to say no. Yes. Thank you worship

1855
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,840
through to councel. Um so this this

1856
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:39,439
legislation is written in a really

1857
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:41,439
interesting way that even the powers

1858
02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:43,359
that the mayor has chosen to delegate

1859
02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:45,040
back to council and the CEO at this

1860
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:47,519
time. Uh mayors are required to utilize

1861
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,760
their strong mayor powers to delegate

1862
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,519
that authority back. So we know those

1863
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:53,359
are steps that mayor Anderson has taken

1864
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,200
at these times. But had he not done

1865
02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:57,519
that, organizational structure, hiring

1866
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,040
of the CEO and local boards and

1867
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,840
committees still would have reside um

1868
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:05,040
resided as his duties um as assigned by

1869
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:06,639
the legislation. The province has

1870
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:08,719
crafted this legislation in such a way

1871
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,679
that mayors um must use the strong mayor

1872
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:13,599
powers even to delegate the three items

1873
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:16,719
that they can delegate back. Um you are

1874
02:17:16,719 --> 02:17:18,479
correct in saying that some of these may

1875
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:20,399
not be used by a mayor. A mayor may

1876
02:17:20,399 --> 02:17:22,399
choose never to add a bylaw to a council

1877
02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:24,800
agenda or a matter to agenda for a

1878
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,719
consideration. Um but that's not a

1879
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,319
decision that council can make. The

1880
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:30,559
legislation has already dictated that

1881
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:32,160
all of the mayors who have been expanded

1882
02:17:32,160 --> 02:17:34,319
strong mayor powers have these powers

1883
02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:35,840
and actions and it is up to those

1884
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:37,840
individual actors to make the decision

1885
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:40,399
as to what to do with them regardless of

1886
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:42,559
um the position of council. Okay.

1887
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:44,000
Councelor Borzos follow through the

1888
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:45,760
chair to follow up to the council.

1889
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:49,200
Madame clerk, I'm reading verbatim from

1890
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:51,120
the council book here. Whatever is

1891
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:52,960
probably the most up-to-date version of

1892
02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:54,639
it. It says veto power and council

1893
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:57,439
override. the head of council can choose

1894
02:17:57,439 --> 02:18:00,240
to veto certain bylaws, for example. I

1895
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:02,960
mean, it doesn't say must veto bylaw.

1896
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:04,639
And if that's the case, if they written

1897
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:06,240
it, if the province wrote this

1898
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:08,080
legislation in such a silly way that

1899
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:10,719
it's becoming really a open to

1900
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:12,399
interpretation, then maybe perhaps we

1901
02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:13,920
should use whatever we saved on

1902
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,679
integrity commissioner fees in the last

1903
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:17,840
two and a half years and just do a legal

1904
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,000
challenge against the province on this

1905
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,160
one because this is unacceptable to me.

1906
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:26,319
as it's not it's just are they trying to

1907
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:29,200
put this in place and if they do to what

1908
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,679
extent why are they pushing where is

1909
02:18:31,679 --> 02:18:33,920
this the language is not there I I don't

1910
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:35,840
see the language here it says can

1911
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,719
everything is can and could doesn't say

1912
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:42,160
that anyway sorry thank you clerk thank

1913
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:43,439
you worship just a point of

1914
02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:45,760
clarification on that yes uh the

1915
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,760
legislation may say can but that's not a

1916
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,760
power that a strong mayor can give back

1917
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:51,840
they must always hold that ability

1918
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:53,599
And that is my point is that there's no

1919
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,120
way that they're allowed to under the

1920
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:57,280
legislation pass a motion saying that

1921
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,599
they refuse it altogether or else Mayor

1922
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:01,120
Anderson would not have been able to

1923
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,120
delegate council the authority to hire

1924
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:06,559
and fire the CEO. He had to utilize the

1925
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:08,319
strong mayor powers in order to give

1926
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:10,479
council that authority back. And so when

1927
02:19:10,479 --> 02:19:12,240
I speak of the legislation being crafted

1928
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:14,080
in such a way that it forces the mayors

1929
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:15,840
to use the powers, that is what I'm

1930
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:17,519
indicating. even to give council back

1931
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:19,760
authority, a decision, a mayoral

1932
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:21,439
decision had to be made under strong

1933
02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:24,240
mayor powers. And I'll just comment. So

1934
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:26,960
again, the word can is it's still the

1935
02:19:26,960 --> 02:19:28,960
option. It's in the opinion of the mayor

1936
02:19:28,960 --> 02:19:31,519
then whether the mayor vetos a bylaw or

1937
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:34,160
not. So the power is granted to the

1938
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,319
mayor to decide if the mayor wants to

1939
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,399
use that power to veto a bylaw. you

1940
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:40,080
can't take away that power because it's

1941
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:41,840
granted by the province and I'm and I'm

1942
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,359
not suggesting so it's left with the

1943
02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:46,240
individual mayors and to determine if

1944
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:49,439
they would want to veto a bylaw

1945
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:52,080
um once passed by by council and if this

1946
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:53,840
is how we interpret this then it's great

1947
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,720
because then I go back to my original uh

1948
02:19:56,720 --> 02:19:59,040
suggestion I guess that maybe Mr. mayor

1949
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:01,280
can just say that okay I choose not to

1950
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:03,920
as you can choose to do so also you can

1951
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:06,319
choose not to do so uh to live with your

1952
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:08,319
strong mayor powers in this township

1953
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,200
until November 2026 and then just

1954
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:12,880
business as usual and that's it game

1955
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:16,080
over. Thank you. I'm I think no and I I

1956
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,240
can I no and I can understand that that

1957
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:21,760
comment for sure, right? Like um and but

1958
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:23,600
I think just going back to the language

1959
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:27,640
it's again can and may choose.

1960
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:30,000
So, I'm not going to sit here. I I look

1961
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:31,280
in the kind of the planning world,

1962
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:33,760
there's there's a it's always uh it's

1963
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,840
never black and white. Life is never

1964
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:37,600
black and white. There's a lot of gray.

1965
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:40,960
Uh and so I don't want to sit here this

1966
02:20:40,960 --> 02:20:43,840
evening and and say that the powers I'm

1967
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:46,479
never going to use the powers because I

1968
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:48,640
have already used the powers to give you

1969
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:51,600
back the power. Like it's it's just

1970
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,399
ironic that you actually have to use the

1971
02:20:54,399 --> 02:20:57,200
strong mayor powers to give individuals

1972
02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:59,880
back the power they once

1973
02:20:59,880 --> 02:21:03,520
had. Uh it's it is right. So um so I've

1974
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:04,880
used the power I've used the strong

1975
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:07,680
mayor powers three times thus far in in

1976
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:09,640
in the short time I

1977
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:12,560
guess so the powers back. I guess my

1978
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:14,399
point is if if we use the strong mayor

1979
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:15,920
powers three times to give it back to

1980
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:18,800
the council then essentially it was yeah

1981
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:21,280
it was a it was a a precedence created

1982
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:25,359
by doing so but I mean at the same time

1983
02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:26,880
nobody says that we can't stop right

1984
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:28,479
here and right now and say okay moving

1985
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:30,560
forward business as usual that's my

1986
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:32,240
whole point that there's there's an

1987
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:34,720
option this is not this is not a

1988
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:37,920
dictatorial state this is supposed to be

1989
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:39,600
yes we are creatures of province I hear

1990
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,040
that all the time well it's too bad

1991
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:42,800
because the province is not here. They

1992
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,160
are not talking to these people out

1993
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,240
there and at the other end of the

1994
02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:49,439
internet here. So based on what they are

1995
02:21:49,439 --> 02:21:51,520
deciding on what can be done and what

1996
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:53,680
cannot be done, half the half the

1997
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:56,640
province didn't even vote for Ford. So

1998
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,960
anyways, thank you. Well, and again, I

1999
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:00,960
can I can understand the concern and I

2000
02:22:00,960 --> 02:22:03,479
respect the the concern.

2001
02:22:03,479 --> 02:22:06,080
Um it has been and as I indicated

2002
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:08,080
earlier in the meeting, it's been my

2003
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,800
full intention to have the processes

2004
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,760
continue the way they have. Um I'll just

2005
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:15,840
use the budget for an example just to

2006
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,720
kind of highlight the I guess maybe the

2007
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:20,560
faults with some of this legislation. It

2008
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:22,800
is my intention to be doing the exact

2009
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:24,640
same thing as what we've done in years

2010
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,720
past with our budget. There's staff

2011
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:27,760
involvement.

2012
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,280
I've been involved in meetings with

2013
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:31,680
staff uh shaping and crafting budgets

2014
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,120
and understanding where we're going and

2015
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:34,880
how this is going to come to council and

2016
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:37,200
and what we need to do for streamlining.

2017
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:38,560
That's not going to change. That's been

2018
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:40,240
the process for years here at this

2019
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:42,000
municipality. There's always been that

2020
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,479
collaboration between between staff, the

2021
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:46,720
mayor and council. So, we're going to

2022
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:49,040
continue that collaboration. What strong

2023
02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:50,880
mayor power does though is it actually

2024
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:52,240
states regardless of all the

2025
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:54,319
collaboration in the world when we

2026
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:56,000
present a budget which we want to do

2027
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:57,359
make sure we get our tenders out in

2028
02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:00,240
October or November of a year any budget

2029
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:03,359
before February 1st is the mayor's

2030
02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:07,280
budget simply put legislation if any

2031
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:08,960
budget that comes before council whether

2032
02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:10,399
it's crafted by council whether it's

2033
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:13,439
crafted by staff whether it's crafted

2034
02:23:13,439 --> 02:23:14,720
whether it's just the same budget that

2035
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:16,160
we had last year and we bring it forward

2036
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:19,120
in next year it's the mayor's budget

2037
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,040
doesn't matter because the legislation

2038
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:23,760
lays out that that is what that is. Now,

2039
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:25,280
if we don't if we don't want to pass a

2040
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:28,080
budget until after February 1st of every

2041
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:30,160
year, which then only gives us three

2042
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:33,040
months to get a budget done and tendered

2043
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:36,479
out before tax rates in June, then it

2044
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:38,640
becomes back in the realm of calling it

2045
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:40,760
a municipal budget.

2046
02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:44,240
So again, it's it's a it's a very

2047
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:46,439
interesting way the legislation is

2048
02:23:46,439 --> 02:23:47,960
crafted

2049
02:23:47,960 --> 02:23:51,359
to purport that there's some sort of

2050
02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:54,439
power there.

2051
02:23:54,439 --> 02:23:56,640
Um, from what I've heard from my

2052
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:59,680
colleagues around the county is we're

2053
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:01,840
going to continue on making sure that we

2054
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:05,120
craft a budget for the municipality that

2055
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:06,960
is representative of council,

2056
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,960
representative of the community so that

2057
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:11,040
it is something that everyone is proud

2058
02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:14,960
of. Um, and I I think that's I can

2059
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:16,800
assure you today that that's the the

2060
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:18,880
full intention of trying to do is keep

2061
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:21,840
the nor the normaly of what we've done

2062
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:24,399
in this township in the past continuing

2063
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,800
on in the future. Um, so I I can

2064
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:28,479
understand there's reservations. I can

2065
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:30,479
understand there's concern concerns on

2066
02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:31,640
on the

2067
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:34,720
item. It is my intention to see that we

2068
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:36,160
continue to work in a collaborative and

2069
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:38,479
meaningful way here at council table uh

2070
02:24:38,479 --> 02:24:41,439
day in and day out. And I don't and if

2071
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:43,120
council's with me on that then we're

2072
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:44,880
continue to work the best way we can.

2073
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:47,680
And in closing, nevertheless, the fact

2074
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:50,040
remains that up until now you were one

2075
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:52,560
voice. Now you are seven voices if you

2076
02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:54,319
want to be. And that's the point. That's

2077
02:24:54,319 --> 02:24:56,960
the summary of it really. And so that

2078
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:59,680
makes this council

2079
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,640
redundant really. So thank you. I don't

2080
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:04,800
think your opinions are irrelevant or

2081
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:08,359
redundant. Um, so that's

2082
02:25:08,359 --> 02:25:10,479
my, like I said, that's collaborative

2083
02:25:10,479 --> 02:25:14,399
approach. Um, councelor Cox.

2084
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,319
Yeah. Through the chair, uh, councelor

2085
02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:18,160
Borzos actually touched on the subject.

2086
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,160
I was going to bring up can, must have

2087
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:21,520
made, but I think you did it in a better

2088
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:24,240
manner than I would have, right? It's a

2089
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,319
little bit more intellectual. Um, I

2090
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:27,600
don't agree with any of these strong

2091
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:29,280
mayor powers at all. I think it removes

2092
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:32,560
the democratic process. Um, and I don't

2093
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:35,120
I I do believe that uh Mayor Anderson's

2094
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:38,319
will will will exercise them uh with

2095
02:25:38,319 --> 02:25:41,680
with caution and the way he's been doing

2096
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:43,720
it. Like as

2097
02:25:43,720 --> 02:25:47,120
uh council stated, his integrity is not

2098
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:48,720
in question here. I think he'll still

2099
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:50,240
try to work with council and not abuse

2100
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:51,920
the power that's given to him. The fear

2101
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,840
is the future like it's been brought up

2102
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:57,040
time and time again here. And yeah, I

2103
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:58,479
think the virtual training is an

2104
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:00,800
imperative for us to get as soon as it

2105
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:03,359
comes out and then we can formulate our

2106
02:26:03,359 --> 02:26:06,160
procedural bylaws uh after that uh

2107
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:08,080
training is conducted. But other than

2108
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:09,920
that, I think we're all between a rock

2109
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:13,510
and a hard spot.

2110
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:15,120
Deplocks, I saw your hand if you want to

2111
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,600
speak. Thank you to your worship and

2112
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:20,080
excellent points from everybody and we

2113
02:26:20,080 --> 02:26:22,240
all know the situation we're in and um

2114
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:23,319
I'm just

2115
02:26:23,319 --> 02:26:26,560
hoping as I've heard we have faith in

2116
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:29,280
the process that we have been doing and

2117
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:32,160
as the mayor has said let's move forward

2118
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:34,520
doing the same thing we've been doing

2119
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:37,600
unfortunately Mr. for Larry's point hits

2120
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,160
hard a new mayor coming in may change

2121
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:43,479
may change everything so ideally yes

2122
02:26:43,479 --> 02:26:45,240
training

2123
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:47,359
everything hopefully the mayor keeps his

2124
02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:49,880
word and we keep moving the way we keep

2125
02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:53,680
moving I have faith in it um I don't see

2126
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,359
us changing the way we're doing things I

2127
02:26:55,359 --> 02:26:57,600
think we do things very well here so you

2128
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,280
know we may have some contentious issues

2129
02:26:59,280 --> 02:27:03,120
but we're getting stuff done so that's

2130
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:05,520
let's hope for the best here thank

2131
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:07,520
Thank you, Councelor Simpson. Through

2132
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:10,800
the chair. Um, just want to uh reiterate

2133
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:13,280
and and I I know a lot's been said so

2134
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:15,920
far. Um, and I and I will highlight the

2135
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:18,560
semantics that's kind of been noted so

2136
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:21,680
far. Um, as much as the mayor is saying

2137
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:25,120
that he uh has delegated certain

2138
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:27,120
authorities, I will note he is still

2139
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:29,120
reserving his right to utilize strong

2140
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:32,160
mayor powers in a manner that may uh

2141
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:35,200
diminish the role of council. Um, so

2142
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:37,520
nothing in what he has said has

2143
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,280
identified that he won't be doing that.

2144
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,439
I think he said he'd like to keep things

2145
02:27:41,439 --> 02:27:44,560
working the same way. Um, but he is

2146
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:46,960
reserving that right to be able to

2147
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:49,600
utilize it um, in any way. There are

2148
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:51,600
several other aspects of the strong

2149
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:53,280
mayor of powers that can be delegated

2150
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,479
that have not been delegated. Um, again,

2151
02:27:56,479 --> 02:27:58,560
I I understand that that's his

2152
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:02,640
prerogative. Um but I will note that

2153
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:04,960
residents should be aware that that we

2154
02:28:04,960 --> 02:28:07,120
are in a strong mayor situation. There

2155
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:09,120
are going to be decisions that may come

2156
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:12,240
that may not come to council. Um things

2157
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:17,359
that may be uh you know dealt with in in

2158
02:28:17,359 --> 02:28:19,920
uh in a different manner and and that is

2159
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,960
permitted under this law. So uh please

2160
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:24,560
keep that in mind. Thank you. Point of

2161
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:26,439
clarification.

2162
02:28:26,439 --> 02:28:29,960
Sure. you you you just made a comment

2163
02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:34,880
that it ha it may not come to council. I

2164
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:37,280
don't believe that's true. So there are

2165
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:40,399
instances where uh air mayor may have

2166
02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:42,960
discussions with staff and have a

2167
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:45,200
decision made prior to the decision

2168
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,439
coming to council especially with regard

2169
02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:49,520
to development. Um can I have

2170
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,600
clarification? Yeah. And I'll just I was

2171
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:53,040
going to just comment personally on

2172
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:54,960
myself on on a few things here as well.

2173
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:56,399
Just Yeah. No, I just want a

2174
02:28:56,399 --> 02:28:58,000
clarification. First, I just wanted to

2175
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:00,960
clarifi to clarify is um councelor

2176
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:02,479
Simpson, you're quite right. The powers

2177
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:04,359
always rest within the office of the

2178
02:29:04,359 --> 02:29:07,920
mayor. I can't not that legislation has

2179
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:09,520
permitted the office of the mayor to

2180
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:12,040
retain those powers regardless of

2181
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:15,280
delegation. I choose to delegate certain

2182
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:17,680
powers to council and I choose to

2183
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:20,240
delegate powers to the CIO.

2184
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:22,720
Um but the powers still rest with the

2185
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:24,800
mayor whether he chooses whether he or

2186
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:26,800
she chooses to actually delegate that or

2187
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:28,800
not. So the strong mayor powers are

2188
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:31,359
written in such a way that the decisions

2189
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:35,720
are those delegations are on the

2190
02:29:35,720 --> 02:29:38,800
um are on the basis of the mayor

2191
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:42,800
delegating those powers. So I'll clarify

2192
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:44,960
that that that is that is absolutely

2193
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:46,240
true.

2194
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,399
Um but I I will go to the clerk on this

2195
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:51,840
one as well that there is no decision

2196
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:54,399
mechanism in the strong mayor powers

2197
02:29:54,399 --> 02:29:57,560
other than providing direction to senior

2198
02:29:57,560 --> 02:30:00,800
staff to provide advice and information

2199
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:02,359
back to the

2200
02:30:02,359 --> 02:30:05,439
mayor and then to council. So, if there

2201
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:09,439
was a potential bylaw, if there was a uh

2202
02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:12,319
new policy that potentially that was

2203
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:14,960
needing to be drafted, I could provide

2204
02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:16,720
direction, written direction to the

2205
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:19,600
clerk, including and carbon copy to the

2206
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:22,800
to the uh members of council and ask for

2207
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:25,120
certain information to be presented to

2208
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:27,439
the mayor and to council. So, it' be no

2209
02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:28,880
different than a staff report coming

2210
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:31,040
back to council for their consideration.

2211
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,080
It would be information. So, would there

2212
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:37,200
be an instance uh where I wouldn't have

2213
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:38,800
to request the information from council?

2214
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:40,000
Like, I wouldn't have to put a notice of

2215
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,319
motion on the agenda. Yes, because I

2216
02:30:42,319 --> 02:30:43,840
would be able to direct staff to provide

2217
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:46,800
that information directly to council.

2218
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:49,359
Uh, but it doesn't subvert council from

2219
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:51,680
making the decision when that

2220
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,280
information comes back. So, I'll go to

2221
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:54,960
the madam clerk. I I maybe muddied that

2222
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:57,439
a bit more, but um that's kind of my

2223
02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,760
understanding of the process. Thank you,

2224
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:02,479
worship through to councel. Um so the

2225
02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:04,800
ability for the mayor to give um

2226
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:07,200
directions to staff must be in writing.

2227
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:08,800
These directions will be posted to our

2228
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:10,600
township website and are subject to

2229
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:13,040
Mippa and the mayor may only give

2230
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,520
written direction to staff uh through

2231
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:18,399
the CEO and clerk um for advice or

2232
02:31:18,399 --> 02:31:20,479
recommendations um related to their

2233
02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:22,720
powers and duties underneath the strong

2234
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:24,880
mayors. So for the for development he

2235
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:27,680
may request policies or advice but not

2236
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:29,439
make decisions and that must be provided

2237
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:32,080
in writing. So, every time a mayor may

2238
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:34,960
request that staff um write a policy for

2239
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:37,359
consideration or write a memo that

2240
02:31:37,359 --> 02:31:40,319
provides recommendations, that directive

2241
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:41,920
would be written would be included on

2242
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:43,840
the township website. So, all of council

2243
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,680
and all of the public would know that

2244
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:47,920
the mayor has exercised that power to

2245
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,479
ask staff for a recommendation. It does

2246
02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:52,800
not constitute a decision. It is a mer

2247
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:56,399
directive. Mayors may add items to the

2248
02:31:56,399 --> 02:31:59,120
agenda for consideration, a matter to an

2249
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,880
agenda, and that is subject to a

2250
02:32:00,880 --> 02:32:03,520
majority vote of council or a bylaw to a

2251
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:05,359
council agenda, but that is subject to

2252
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:07,280
notice provisions as per applicable

2253
02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:09,359
provincial legislation and then is

2254
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:11,359
subject to a one-third majority vote by

2255
02:32:11,359 --> 02:32:13,920
council.

2256
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,399
So in essence, the the directives can be

2257
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:18,720
the directives can be made by the mayor,

2258
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:20,560
the decisions are implemented by

2259
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,800
council.

2260
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:25,760
So any decision of of uh let's say a

2261
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:27,880
planning nature or

2262
02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:32,399
whatever you you have the authority to

2263
02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:35,359
override it. Is that correct? I'd have

2264
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:38,720
the authority to veto a bylaw a planning

2265
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:41,760
bylaw that came to council. Right. To

2266
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:43,920
after between the council meeting and

2267
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:47,040
two days, right? And then we would be

2268
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,359
informed about it. Correct.

2269
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:51,680
Then we would have to petition a meeting

2270
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:54,319
if we were all against it. And you need

2271
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:57,439
five people sitting on this council to

2272
02:32:57,439 --> 02:33:00,880
be against it. Anything that you you put

2273
02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:03,040
forward to veto it. You would need four

2274
02:33:03,040 --> 02:33:04,640
members of council to petition the

2275
02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:07,680
meeting and then you'd need you need a

2276
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,399
twothird of the majority of c twothirds

2277
02:33:10,399 --> 02:33:12,640
of council vote of all members of

2278
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:14,479
council regardless at the meeting or

2279
02:33:14,479 --> 02:33:17,280
not. Now would that see this is where

2280
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:19,359
the procedural comes in that we need

2281
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:22,640
clarification on. What if one person

2282
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,720
isn't able to make it out of the five on

2283
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:27,040
council or the six on council or the

2284
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,439
seven on

2285
02:33:28,439 --> 02:33:31,439
council if one person isn't able to make

2286
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:34,870
it

2287
02:33:34,880 --> 02:33:38,160
or one gets kicked out you know like

2288
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,000
does that vote where does that vote

2289
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:42,960
land? So land and again I believe that's

2290
02:33:42,960 --> 02:33:44,080
madam clerk you might want to comment

2291
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,600
but I believe that's again one of those

2292
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:47,920
little finite things that are in this

2293
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,880
legislation that it says all members of

2294
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:52,560
council and it doesn't necessarily mean

2295
02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:54,080
that all members of council at the

2296
02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:56,720
meeting. So if you if you only have if

2297
02:33:56,720 --> 02:33:58,319
you had four members of council attend

2298
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:00,960
the meeting that was petitioned that's

2299
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:03,359
right and three members did not you

2300
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,359
would not be able to you would not be

2301
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:08,800
over to overturn the the um

2302
02:34:08,800 --> 02:34:10,720
reconsideration.

2303
02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:12,399
So but although madam clerk I think I've

2304
02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:13,760
interpreted that right too but thank

2305
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:16,720
you. So just for us just sorry just just

2306
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:19,840
for the sake of of argument here like

2307
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:22,399
all you would need is uh a certain

2308
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:25,160
member of council to say they can't make

2309
02:34:25,160 --> 02:34:27,920
it and they over No, I'm not looking at

2310
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:30,960
you. I I'm looking at maybe even the

2311
02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:32,800
mayor even I wouldn't have to attend the

2312
02:34:32,800 --> 02:34:34,319
meeting. You would have to well the

2313
02:34:34,319 --> 02:34:37,439
deputy mayor. Okay. So, we'd need six

2314
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:39,720
people sitting at this council

2315
02:34:39,720 --> 02:34:42,880
chamber to make an a decision to

2316
02:34:42,880 --> 02:34:47,800
override or veto a a a mayor's

2317
02:34:47,800 --> 02:34:50,160
decision. And we can't even we can't

2318
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,800
even half the time we can't even uh sit

2319
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:55,359
here and communicate with one another.

2320
02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:56,800
So, do you think we're going to be able

2321
02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:59,439
to petition a meeting and have six

2322
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:01,479
people sitting in here to make a

2323
02:35:01,479 --> 02:35:05,280
decision that the mayor is vetoed? Let's

2324
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:07,200
say it's a land expropriation that we

2325
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:09,280
don't agree with or something like that.

2326
02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:11,120
Are we going to be able to veto that

2327
02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:14,040
that motion? Not

2328
02:35:14,040 --> 02:35:16,319
likely. And that's where I have a

2329
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:19,680
problem with this. This is not the way

2330
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:21,600
council was supposed to be designed for

2331
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:24,000
the people of this township or the

2332
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:28,710
people of this province.

2333
02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:32,479
For sure. All right. I've had enough

2334
02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:34,560
discussion on this one.

2335
02:35:34,560 --> 02:35:35,920
[Music]

2336
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:37,880
Okay. And once uh as

2337
02:35:37,880 --> 02:35:39,479
mad

2338
02:35:39,479 --> 02:35:41,920
cler once we do hear from the ministry

2339
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:43,439
on training we will certainly get that

2340
02:35:43,439 --> 02:35:44,640
communicated to members of council

2341
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:47,760
because uh I'm uh I'm wondering what

2342
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:50,600
they're going to provide. Be very

2343
02:35:50,600 --> 02:35:52,399
interesting. All right. So the

2344
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:54,399
recommendation on the floor is that the

2345
02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:58,990
staff report CLK

2346
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:03,200
2025 009 dated May 14, 2025 regarding

2347
02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:05,359
strong mayor powers be received. And do

2348
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,120
I have a mover for that recommendation?

2349
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:10,359
I have councelor Cox seconded by

2350
02:36:10,359 --> 02:36:13,000
councelor. All those in

2351
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:18,030
favor? That is

2352
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:19,840
carried. All right. All right, I'm just

2353
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,640
confirming that was all the staff

2354
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:24,319
reports. That was so we are on to

2355
02:36:24,319 --> 02:36:26,240
correspondence. And so we had one item

2356
02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:27,840
of correspondence that was pulled from

2357
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:30,120
the consent agenda and that's

2358
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:33,439
13.5 with regards to the county of Simco

2359
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:35,359
request to consider consent of county

2360
02:36:35,359 --> 02:36:37,880
count of Simco bylaw

2361
02:36:37,880 --> 02:36:40,800
711925 to change the composition of

2362
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:42,560
county council. And I'll go to to the

2363
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:45,040
deputy mayor who pulled this item first.

2364
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:47,840
Thank you to your mayor. Um I just

2365
02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:49,920
wanted to point out that the uh

2366
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:52,920
governance committee is meeting on May

2367
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:56,880
20th which is next Tuesday to discuss um

2368
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,600
the weighted vote part of this aspect.

2369
02:36:59,600 --> 02:37:03,040
Um it has been through uh through county

2370
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:06,000
voted to go forward to go down to uh 16

2371
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:09,760
or 16 plus a full-time warden. Um they

2372
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:12,240
are discussing um all the factors

2373
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:14,560
involved with a weighted vote which to

2374
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:16,640
me is a it's an extremely important part

2375
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:20,640
of this process as us being the smaller

2376
02:37:20,640 --> 02:37:22,319
municipality

2377
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:24,680
um being

2378
02:37:24,680 --> 02:37:27,520
rural. We're the little guy on the uh on

2379
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,200
the field there and and the big guys on

2380
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:30,880
the field can beat us up pretty good

2381
02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:32,319
depending on how this weighted vote

2382
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:34,800
discussion goes. So, I just wanted to uh

2383
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:37,680
defer this to next month's meeting so

2384
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:39,120
that we can get the information that

2385
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:40,720
we're going to get from the governance

2386
02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:43,280
meeting on how they're going to move

2387
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:44,880
forward with the weighted vote, whether

2388
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,479
that's going to stay exactly the same,

2389
02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:47,880
whether there's going to be changes to

2390
02:37:47,880 --> 02:37:51,359
that and uh I would like uh all of us to

2391
02:37:51,359 --> 02:37:53,840
get that information so that we can make

2392
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:58,160
a educated uh decision. Thank you. Okay.

2393
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,080
Thank you. Uh with your indulgence,

2394
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:02,319
Deputy Mayor, unless you feel strongly

2395
02:38:02,319 --> 02:38:03,439
that we want to put the motion on the

2396
02:38:03,439 --> 02:38:05,200
floor. I was hoping to have just a brief

2397
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:06,720
discussion, but I'm going to look at

2398
02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:09,200
council and just say like the deputy

2399
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:10,800
mayor has a right to put a motion to

2400
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:13,280
defer. So if we can keep the

2401
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:16,880
conversation to um kind of just initial

2402
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:18,479
feeling, I guess, first off, and then we

2403
02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:20,240
can see how this goes if that's okay

2404
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:22,880
with you. Yeah, that's fine. I just,

2405
02:38:22,880 --> 02:38:25,040
like I said, I'm I like making decisions

2406
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:27,680
with as much information as I can, and I

2407
02:38:27,680 --> 02:38:29,760
believe next week's um meeting is is

2408
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:32,399
going to provide us with uh pretty much

2409
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:34,080
half of half of what we're missing right

2410
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,479
now. It may not change at all, but I'm

2411
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:38,479
hoping that the uh the people at

2412
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:40,080
governance will look at the weighted

2413
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:43,120
situation and hopefully be able to maybe

2414
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:45,520
amend it to be more in favor to smaller

2415
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:48,319
townships like ours. Thank you.

2416
02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:50,160
Okay. So, with that, uh, I'm going to go

2417
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:52,880
to, uh, Councelor Simpson and I got

2418
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:55,520
Councelor Meadows. Um, through the

2419
02:38:55,520 --> 02:38:58,800
chair, um, this is a very, uh,

2420
02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:01,200
interesting subject and, and I will note

2421
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:03,840
that we were all watching with popcorn.

2422
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,200
Um, because of the interest that there

2423
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,359
was in this and and also some of the

2424
02:39:09,359 --> 02:39:12,080
issues that came up out of this. Um I

2425
02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:15,680
understand that uh um our members on

2426
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:19,120
county council um certainly uh voted in

2427
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:23,040
favor of reducing the size initially um

2428
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:26,080
and and now there's additional

2429
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,880
um changes with regard to the weighted

2430
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:31,040
vote that that has been requested. I

2431
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:32,880
don't know that uh especially seeing how

2432
02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:35,920
the vote went in county um perhaps the

2433
02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:38,640
mayor and deputy mayor can uh provide a

2434
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:41,120
rationale for their decisions and and

2435
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:42,880
what the thought process is with regard

2436
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:45,920
to this proposal. Now,

2437
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,160
I'll start on that one, but I concur

2438
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:50,240
with the deputy mayor. We need to the

2439
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:51,920
county council asked governance

2440
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:54,479
committee voted on that to go back and

2441
02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:57,200
look at the weighted vote of when and

2442
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:00,720
where a weighted vote can be used. Um

2443
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:02,800
there are several on county council that

2444
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:04,560
believe that weighted votes should only

2445
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:08,120
be used on non-governance

2446
02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:13,040
issues. So budget planning uh things

2447
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:15,920
like things like that. Whereas a

2448
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:18,399
governance matter each individual member

2449
02:40:18,399 --> 02:40:20,720
of council, county council is therefore

2450
02:40:20,720 --> 02:40:23,040
one vote on all governance because they

2451
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:25,040
are there sitting in their chair being

2452
02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:26,960
that member representing the

2453
02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:30,160
municipality. Uh and I agree with that

2454
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:32,560
concept that governance issues should be

2455
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:35,760
dealt with as a whole

2456
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:38,000
um county council and if it's a

2457
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:39,439
reduction of county council it would be

2458
02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:42,720
17 members and those 17 then would all

2459
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:44,960
have a single vote on how the governance

2460
02:40:44,960 --> 02:40:47,920
of county council would work. Um it'd be

2461
02:40:47,920 --> 02:40:50,319
something simpler it could frame this as

2462
02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:52,720
a procedure item. When we make additions

2463
02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:54,399
to our council meeting agenda you need

2464
02:40:54,399 --> 02:40:58,000
twothirds majority. Um, so in the

2465
02:40:58,000 --> 02:40:59,600
governance sector here, then we would

2466
02:40:59,600 --> 02:41:00,960
say, well, you can't call a recorded

2467
02:41:00,960 --> 02:41:02,640
vote on that issue because a recorded

2468
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:05,359
vote would trigger a weighted vote. This

2469
02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:06,880
case, it would have to be a straight up

2470
02:41:06,880 --> 02:41:09,040
one for one vote and every member of

2471
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:11,680
county council has the same say on this.

2472
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:14,000
Um because I think the concerns from a

2473
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:15,439
lot of municipalities and we could

2474
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:16,880
certainly get into some of the details

2475
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:21,640
here, but if you do the math, six of 17

2476
02:41:21,640 --> 02:41:24,160
members with the highest density

2477
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:26,960
populations in the county of Simco would

2478
02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:29,680
carry a question. So you have 17

2479
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:31,760
members, a county council, you'd only

2480
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:34,080
need six to vote in favor of something

2481
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:38,479
to actually see it happen. Um so if that

2482
02:41:38,479 --> 02:41:41,840
did happen that's fine but that means

2483
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:44,560
that those same decisions on governance

2484
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:47,280
would have the same factor. So six or

2485
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:49,760
seven of the largest municipalities

2486
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:52,240
control the governance of the county too

2487
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:54,720
and I think that's where the fairness

2488
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:56,200
now

2489
02:41:56,200 --> 02:41:59,040
becomes every unfair because everyone is

2490
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:01,760
there entitled to a vote on a topic of

2491
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,720
governance. So if it's for example to

2492
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:06,399
reduce the county council size and you

2493
02:42:06,399 --> 02:42:08,720
call record a vote well then you should

2494
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,200
be able to each member of county council

2495
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:14,960
should be able to respond based on their

2496
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:17,040
vote and not on the number of people

2497
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:19,120
that are actually in their municipality.

2498
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:20,800
So

2499
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:22,160
the position of the deputy mayor as

2500
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:23,760
well. I support the I support the

2501
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:25,200
deferral for that reason because I think

2502
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:26,880
we need to see where the governance

2503
02:42:26,880 --> 02:42:28,200
committee comes back with some

2504
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:30,080
recommendations because that will kind

2505
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:34,479
of shape how we as a municipality get a

2506
02:42:34,479 --> 02:42:37,479
fair shakeddown on our

2507
02:42:37,479 --> 02:42:39,760
vote. I'm not sure if you want to offer

2508
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,840
anything more on that.

2509
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:44,399
I 100 support that 100% because I know

2510
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:46,319
your vote was the other way in the

2511
02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:49,439
initial um session. I voted against it

2512
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:53,600
the whole time. Um I believe you were I

2513
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:56,479
have multiple I have multiple u issues

2514
02:42:56,479 --> 02:42:59,359
with going down to 17. Okay. And I will

2515
02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:01,920
gladly discuss those if we can defer it

2516
02:43:01,920 --> 02:43:04,000
to next meeting and and fully and

2517
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:06,160
fruitfully. I just my biggest concern

2518
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:07,680
right now is to find out what's going to

2519
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:09,280
happen next week at that governance

2520
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:10,880
meeting because like I said it may

2521
02:43:10,880 --> 02:43:12,560
change nothing. It may be like this is

2522
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:13,760
what it's going to be and this is how it

2523
02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:16,399
is and then we can fruitfully discuss it

2524
02:43:16,399 --> 02:43:18,160
in June. That's all I'm asking right

2525
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,240
now.

2526
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:21,840
Okay. Anything further, Councelor

2527
02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:25,120
Simpson? Um well I I just want to note I

2528
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,280
believe the votes were on the record and

2529
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:29,160
I believe you were in favor at the last

2530
02:43:29,160 --> 02:43:32,319
meeting. Um however that meeting did not

2531
02:43:32,319 --> 02:43:34,319
conclude because there was a walk out.

2532
02:43:34,319 --> 02:43:36,800
Um I think at the subsequent meeting you

2533
02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:40,640
voted against um so just just for the

2534
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:44,240
record um I'm just curious so does that

2535
02:43:44,240 --> 02:43:46,319
mean that you don't think that it's

2536
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:49,040
necessary to have the weighted vote just

2537
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:51,600
just to clarify the position because I

2538
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:52,640
think we're going to be one of the

2539
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:54,240
biggest beneficiaries of the weighted

2540
02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:57,600
vote in the future. Well, I would I

2541
02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:01,760
would uh I would caution about that. Um

2542
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:05,359
right, unless we unless we unless so you

2543
02:44:05,359 --> 02:44:08,080
get a vote for every 2,000 people you

2544
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:11,040
put into the township. So right now I

2545
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:12,640
believe we get five if it was going to a

2546
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:14,560
seven member or 17 member council, I

2547
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:17,200
believe it would be a vote of don't

2548
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:18,720
quote me quote me on this, it would be

2549
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:21,600
five or six for the municipality.

2550
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:24,600
So, we would have to add 2,000 more

2551
02:44:24,600 --> 02:44:27,240
people for one additional

2552
02:44:27,240 --> 02:44:30,640
vote. And those aren't caught up until

2553
02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:34,160
those aren't caught up until the um

2554
02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:36,560
yearly I believe it's yearly census

2555
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:38,160
provided by the or yearly information

2556
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:39,439
provided by the clerk's department to

2557
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:40,720
our clerk's department to the county

2558
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:44,760
clerk department. So, we would have to

2559
02:44:44,760 --> 02:44:49,200
uh pretty well quadruple our township

2560
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:55,920
uh in a year to get a vote ratio uh to

2561
02:44:55,920 --> 02:45:00,080
uh Bradford, Westenberry or Inisville

2562
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:02,319
um or New Techch. Uh we would have to

2563
02:45:02,319 --> 02:45:04,319
grow our population. We're at 11,000

2564
02:45:04,319 --> 02:45:06,560
now. We'd have to grow our population to

2565
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:10,080
30 to 40,000 in excess uh within two

2566
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:13,439
years. uh to actually get the same

2567
02:45:13,439 --> 02:45:16,960
weighted vote as a as one of the more

2568
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:19,359
urban areas in the county. So, I think

2569
02:45:19,359 --> 02:45:21,920
it's very difficult to to do that. I

2570
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:23,279
don't I think it's actually I wasn't

2571
02:45:23,279 --> 02:45:24,720
suggesting that we're going to have the

2572
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:28,240
same vote as New Tech or Bradford um

2573
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:30,479
just that we are seeing a lot of growth

2574
02:45:30,479 --> 02:45:32,160
in our municipality. So, we would have

2575
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:36,000
an increase um more than you know

2576
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:38,399
municipalities in in northern Simco for

2577
02:45:38,399 --> 02:45:41,359
example. Yes. potentially. So I know

2578
02:45:41,359 --> 02:45:43,600
other areas in in the county and if you

2579
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:45,279
did watch the county council meeting the

2580
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:47,279
last one I did speak to the weighted

2581
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:49,840
vote in that particular reason as to the

2582
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:51,920
weighted vote has been around since 1994

2583
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:53,439
when the county simple act was passed by

2584
02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:55,680
the province. The last bylaw that was

2585
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:58,479
updated I believe was 2002 as to how the

2586
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:01,439
weighted vote is uh assessed and how the

2587
02:46:01,439 --> 02:46:04,319
population numbers change. Now in 2002

2588
02:46:04,319 --> 02:46:06,240
the county of Simco was a far different

2589
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:08,080
place. Bradford West Wellenberry was the

2590
02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:11,920
size of um Allison now maybe not even

2591
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:16,160
that as much so Allist was 14,000 people

2592
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:20,399
or new to Compass was 15,000 people 2002

2593
02:46:20,399 --> 02:46:23,200
uh they're approaching 40 so you know

2594
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:26,000
there's in 2002 there is a par the

2595
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:28,160
parody I would say had the county

2596
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,080
council went to a 17 member county

2597
02:46:30,080 --> 02:46:32,479
council at that time would have been not

2598
02:46:32,479 --> 02:46:34,160
a weighted if a wait was called it

2599
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:35,359
probably would have still been eight or

2600
02:46:35,359 --> 02:46:37,359
nine members to actually have to carry a

2601
02:46:37,359 --> 02:46:40,479
question. We've seen a drastic change in

2602
02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:43,439
that. And the other item I did mention

2603
02:46:43,439 --> 02:46:46,160
to the county as well is that was not at

2604
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:48,640
our choice. For years, the county of

2605
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:51,520
Simco said you cannot grow.

2606
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:53,279
So you've got the planning department or

2607
02:46:53,279 --> 02:46:54,880
the province for example in this case

2608
02:46:54,880 --> 02:46:56,560
because the province did it by by

2609
02:46:56,560 --> 02:47:00,240
numbers saying you can't grow but we'll

2610
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:01,920
grow a growth node in new comps or

2611
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:05,040
Bradford Westbury so they get more power

2612
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:06,479
and we're sitting at the table saying

2613
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:09,120
how's that fair it's not fair everyone

2614
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:10,240
should have the right we talked about

2615
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:11,920
this with strong mayor powers everyone

2616
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:13,279
should have a right at the table to

2617
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:15,840
express themselves to vote on a question

2618
02:47:15,840 --> 02:47:17,359
and if we're going to constantly sit at

2619
02:47:17,359 --> 02:47:19,760
county council and get called for

2620
02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:21,680
weighted vote

2621
02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:23,439
uh six or seven members of the county

2622
02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:26,960
council would would uh monopolize that

2623
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:28,560
voting power. So why would I want to

2624
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,399
show up? Why would I want to go there

2625
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:32,960
and sit there and and just see say here

2626
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:34,479
this is this is what you're going to do

2627
02:47:34,479 --> 02:47:35,960
or this is how the county is going to

2628
02:47:35,960 --> 02:47:38,800
proceed, you know, shaping things in the

2629
02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:41,359
county for the next 20 or 30 years and

2630
02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:43,520
we're sitting there with no voice. Uh

2631
02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:46,960
that's the troubling aspect of how this

2632
02:47:46,960 --> 02:47:51,080
whole system works with the weighted

2633
02:47:51,080 --> 02:47:53,680
vote. So I'll go to councelor meadows

2634
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:56,319
next and then I've got councelor cox.

2635
02:47:56,319 --> 02:48:00,080
Yeah, I I I totally agree with you. Uh

2636
02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:02,319
the the weighted vote was brought down

2637
02:48:02,319 --> 02:48:05,120
by the province. They they had they set

2638
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:07,200
up the formula for for the weighted vote

2639
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:10,080
for the county of Simco.

2640
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:13,120
And I don't necessarily agree with the

2641
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:16,520
way it's being utilized

2642
02:48:16,520 --> 02:48:19,520
now for, you know, basically the same

2643
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:22,319
reason what the mayor just stated. This

2644
02:48:22,319 --> 02:48:24,640
is a procedural matter and I don't think

2645
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:27,680
they use the weighted vote uh when they

2646
02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:30,720
implemented this to begin with like when

2647
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:33,439
this whole thing was implemented.

2648
02:48:33,439 --> 02:48:38,080
So to use it now to to to do this type

2649
02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:40,640
of a procedural decision I I do not

2650
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:42,560
agree with

2651
02:48:42,560 --> 02:48:45,359
uh when it came to county council the

2652
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:48,800
last time they they told us basically

2653
02:48:48,800 --> 02:48:50,720
you either do it or the province is

2654
02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:54,479
going to step in and do it for us

2655
02:48:54,479 --> 02:48:59,600
every time. Yeah. Um, I did vote

2656
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:02,880
uh in favor of downsizing the size of

2657
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:05,359
county council the last time, but with

2658
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:07,120
this new strong mayor's power that's

2659
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:08,680
being put into

2660
02:49:08,680 --> 02:49:12,920
place, I'm retracting what I'm I I

2661
02:49:12,920 --> 02:49:16,399
I want to see a deputy mayor there

2662
02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:18,399
because now you got two people there

2663
02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:21,840
with two different decisions on any item

2664
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:24,560
that comes to county council.

2665
02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:26,640
One has strong mayor powers, but one's

2666
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:29,200
an individual as well. So, he doesn't

2667
02:49:29,200 --> 02:49:31,319
have strong mayor

2668
02:49:31,319 --> 02:49:34,399
powers. So, because this strong mayor

2669
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:37,359
powers has been put into place, I am

2670
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:38,960
dead against this because you're giving

2671
02:49:38,960 --> 02:49:41,840
the mayor even more power to represent

2672
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:43,800
you at county

2673
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:47,040
council. So, I am totally against this.

2674
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:49,200
I'm all for leaving the deputy mayors

2675
02:49:49,200 --> 02:49:51,680
there. And if Ford wants to do

2676
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:53,760
something, let him because he he's the

2677
02:49:53,760 --> 02:49:58,120
one that's going to look like an Well,

2678
02:49:58,120 --> 02:50:01,120
anyways, but I I am I'm I'm all for

2679
02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:03,840
keeping the the deputy mayors here and I

2680
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:05,359
believe there's a vote that has to come

2681
02:50:05,359 --> 02:50:08,960
to this council with regards to that and

2682
02:50:08,960 --> 02:50:12,240
uh it has to be done before June the 3,

2683
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:14,640
I believe it is. So, yeah. So that's

2684
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:16,000
that's part of the discussion and I'm

2685
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:17,600
okay like as the mayor as the deputy

2686
02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:19,439
mayor has indicated we can look at a

2687
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:20,800
deferral tonight because we still have

2688
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:24,080
time make a decision uh in the absence

2689
02:50:24,080 --> 02:50:26,000
if we put a motion on for deferral this

2690
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:27,200
evening to see what the governance

2691
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:29,279
committee does. Uh, if council chooses

2692
02:50:29,279 --> 02:50:30,800
not to defer the item tonight, then we

2693
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:33,200
would have to vote on whether or not we

2694
02:50:33,200 --> 02:50:35,680
consent to the county bylaw or not

2695
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,200
consent to the county bylaw, and we

2696
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:38,800
could do that tonight. But I think as

2697
02:50:38,800 --> 02:50:40,240
the deputy mayor indicated, it's better

2698
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:42,800
to wait for the governance committee to

2699
02:50:42,800 --> 02:50:45,120
Well, I' I'd rather make a decision to

2700
02:50:45,120 --> 02:50:47,840
to vote in favor of leaving it the way

2701
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:50,720
it is, especially with the strong mayor

2702
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:53,279
powers going into effect

2703
02:50:53,279 --> 02:50:57,359
uh than put it off any further and show

2704
02:50:57,359 --> 02:50:59,760
us that show them that we don't we don't

2705
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:01,840
care. we stand behind the way it stands

2706
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:05,680
right now going forward for the you know

2707
02:51:05,680 --> 02:51:09,200
because of of of what's happened. So I I

2708
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:11,920
I would put that in into play but so

2709
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:13,439
that's it's certainly an option tonight.

2710
02:51:13,439 --> 02:51:17,760
So uh councelor Cox

2711
02:51:17,760 --> 02:51:19,439
yeah through the chair it seems like

2712
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:21,120
county council is trying to formulate

2713
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:23,680
some sort of superpower team here. All

2714
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:25,840
right. like you give all these mayors

2715
02:51:25,840 --> 02:51:27,680
strong strong powers and then you're

2716
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:28,960
going to bring them all together and all

2717
02:51:28,960 --> 02:51:31,600
of a sudden instead of having you know

2718
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:33,520
uh more more individuals at the table

2719
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:35,920
you bring less people to the table that

2720
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:38,000
have more power. So I I don't really

2721
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:40,960
agree with that to be honest and um yeah

2722
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:43,120
I'm I'm I'm okay either way. We have a

2723
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:45,359
lot of time until June 30th, 2025. It

2724
02:51:45,359 --> 02:51:47,600
see it says here um whether we want to

2725
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:50,319
defer to find more information, but the

2726
02:51:50,319 --> 02:51:53,040
the the current uh status I I don't

2727
02:51:53,040 --> 02:51:57,439
agree with uh them reducing it. So I

2728
02:51:57,439 --> 02:51:59,680
good either way.

2729
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:01,359
Well, I will comment and whether that

2730
02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:02,720
changes the deputy mayor's position as

2731
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:04,399
to deferral or not. If we if we want to

2732
02:52:04,399 --> 02:52:06,479
take the question to not consent this

2733
02:52:06,479 --> 02:52:08,479
evening, that's fine. I will tell you to

2734
02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:10,640
be honest, I do not expect the

2735
02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:12,000
governance committee to come back with

2736
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:14,560
anything different really meaningful for

2737
02:52:14,560 --> 02:52:16,880
a change. I I expect that, you know, not

2738
02:52:16,880 --> 02:52:18,319
to say that I'm not waiting for the

2739
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:20,240
information, but from what I've seen and

2740
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:21,680
heard, I I don't think there's going to

2741
02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:25,160
be too much in in a change

2742
02:52:25,160 --> 02:52:28,000
um in that regard. And if if this

2743
02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:30,160
council's supportive of not of not

2744
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:32,000
consenting to the to a change in

2745
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:34,000
composition of county council, then we

2746
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:35,359
could certainly make that recommendation

2747
02:52:35,359 --> 02:52:36,720
tonight and move forward with that.

2748
02:52:36,720 --> 02:52:40,760
That's just we would just hate to

2749
02:52:40,760 --> 02:52:43,040
um you know if there's a if there's a

2750
02:52:43,040 --> 02:52:44,960
willingness today to reduce county then

2751
02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:46,479
I would say like let's make sure we have

2752
02:52:46,479 --> 02:52:48,080
all the information we we can get to

2753
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:49,279
make sure that we're making the right

2754
02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:51,600
decision. But if others have already

2755
02:52:51,600 --> 02:52:54,160
formulated that idea that's uh told to

2756
02:52:54,160 --> 02:52:56,560
council. So I'll go to councelor Simpson

2757
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:59,040
again um through the chair I I I think

2758
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:01,200
you're right when you're u in terms of

2759
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:02,479
the governance committee I don't

2760
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:03,680
anticipate that they're going to be

2761
02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:06,560
changing anything. Um again the strong

2762
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:09,960
or not the strong mayor but the the

2763
02:53:09,960 --> 02:53:13,439
county powers uh and and the weighted

2764
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:15,520
vote is still applicable there as well.

2765
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:18,080
And so I I don't imagine anything's

2766
02:53:18,080 --> 02:53:20,080
going to change. Um I will say with

2767
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:22,000
regard to getting rid of the deputy

2768
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:25,520
mayor um from county council um you know

2769
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:28,560
the there are some benefits to that. You

2770
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:30,399
would reduce the amount of money that

2771
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:32,720
you're spending for a deputy mayor in

2772
02:53:32,720 --> 02:53:35,200
county council. Um I I I will say

2773
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:38,319
however that um I I too support uh you

2774
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:40,399
know that there's a second person

2775
02:53:40,399 --> 02:53:42,880
representing the municipality uh on that

2776
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:46,160
board and and there is uh um there is a

2777
02:53:46,160 --> 02:53:48,240
benefit to the municipality for that

2778
02:53:48,240 --> 02:53:52,160
happening. So thank you. Okay. Well, and

2779
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:55,120
I think that's the uh I think that's

2780
02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:56,479
concept. And again, we didn't get into

2781
02:53:56,479 --> 02:53:58,240
too much details on this and I know the

2782
02:53:58,240 --> 02:53:59,520
deputy mayor might have some background

2783
02:53:59,520 --> 02:54:02,399
information, but u the savings that

2784
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:04,319
might be expected from eliminating one

2785
02:54:04,319 --> 02:54:06,240
member of county council. We've seen in

2786
02:54:06,240 --> 02:54:07,600
multiple districts, for example, the

2787
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:09,200
city of Toronto where they cut their

2788
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:11,520
council in half, then turned around and

2789
02:54:11,520 --> 02:54:13,439
hired a administrative assistive

2790
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:14,720
administrative assistant to every

2791
02:54:14,720 --> 02:54:17,120
counselor. Uh and I think the same would

2792
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:19,520
apply for the county. you go to a

2793
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:20,880
full-time warden, you're going to hire

2794
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:22,160
an administrative assistant to the

2795
02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:24,319
county of county's warden. The warden's

2796
02:54:24,319 --> 02:54:26,800
job is $180,000 job. What's the

2797
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:29,279
assistance job? Um, you know, so you're

2798
02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:31,680
looking at these potentials here where

2799
02:54:31,680 --> 02:54:33,840
uh the savings of 400 some odd thousand

2800
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:36,000
at today's rate, hiring three additional

2801
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,920
staff to help council along because they

2802
02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:42,720
only had 17 members instead of 32 would

2803
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:45,439
probably eat up that uh that savings

2804
02:54:45,439 --> 02:54:47,920
pretty quickly. So, so I'm not sure if

2805
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:49,279
you want to share any more information.

2806
02:54:49,279 --> 02:54:51,279
I'd be willing to put the question on

2807
02:54:51,279 --> 02:54:53,359
tonight not to consent to the bylaw if

2808
02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:56,080
that's the will of council. Um, but I'm

2809
02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:57,680
not sure if you wanted to provide any

2810
02:54:57,680 --> 02:54:58,800
additional information you have. I have

2811
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:00,160
loads of information here that I'm not

2812
02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:03,760
going to share with you. Um, if it's the

2813
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:05,920
will of this council to vote it down, I

2814
02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:08,640
will gladly call the question now. Um,

2815
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:10,560
and you know, if you get into money,

2816
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:12,279
yeah, there's whatever they called it,

2817
02:55:12,279 --> 02:55:16,560
$490,000. It'sund a $150 a resident per

2818
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:19,439
year. Um, and as the mayor stated,

2819
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:20,880
there's going to be EAS and there's

2820
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:22,319
going to be all kinds of hirings there

2821
02:55:22,319 --> 02:55:24,399
and that that half a million half a

2822
02:55:24,399 --> 02:55:26,080
million bucks is going to disappear

2823
02:55:26,080 --> 02:55:29,600
within the next two years. Um, splitting

2824
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:32,399
to me having two people there. I have

2825
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:34,240
the numbers here of everybody. Inisville

2826
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,240
has 16 people. There may be two

2827
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:38,720
differing opinions there. So having

2828
02:55:38,720 --> 02:55:41,840
having or 16 votes having having the two

2829
02:55:41,840 --> 02:55:43,920
different sides there's your democ

2830
02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:47,600
democratic process you know it doesn't

2831
02:55:47,600 --> 02:55:49,520
always mean I've never always voted the

2832
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:51,120
same as what the mayor has voted there.

2833
02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:55,680
So to me the system works great that the

2834
02:55:55,680 --> 02:55:57,800
I have a colleague that put out all this

2835
02:55:57,800 --> 02:56:01,040
information and and benefits and and

2836
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:03,520
risks. There's two benefits. Saving a

2837
02:56:03,520 --> 02:56:06,319
buck 50 a resident a year and the

2838
02:56:06,319 --> 02:56:09,160
indisclosed efficiency and

2839
02:56:09,160 --> 02:56:11,120
effectiveness. There's a long list of

2840
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:13,120
things that just make it not really

2841
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,600
feasible. And I believe many people have

2842
02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:16,720
come up and they say, "Oh, they bring

2843
02:56:16,720 --> 02:56:18,160
this up every year and it gets voted

2844
02:56:18,160 --> 02:56:19,840
down." It probably gets voted down for a

2845
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:22,399
reason cuz it's actually working, you

2846
02:56:22,399 --> 02:56:23,920
know. And I'm not fighting this for my

2847
02:56:23,920 --> 02:56:25,960
job. This is for the next council coming

2848
02:56:25,960 --> 02:56:29,760
up. May not even be me. So, to me, the

2849
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:31,520
way that it is, I think it's wrong. And

2850
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:33,359
if we're uh if we're going to vote this

2851
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:34,960
down, I'll I'll call I'll call the vote

2852
02:56:34,960 --> 02:56:39,359
right now. Okay. And I'll just also just

2853
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:41,840
I guess I'll just throw the warning of

2854
02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:44,479
the wise here is the triple majority

2855
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:46,240
process as indicated in the letter from

2856
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:48,240
the county. So, the first part of the

2857
02:56:48,240 --> 02:56:50,240
triple majority was the passage of the

2858
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:53,200
bylaw from county council. County passed

2859
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:54,319
that. That's the first part of the

2860
02:56:54,319 --> 02:56:56,399
triple majority. The second part of the

2861
02:56:56,399 --> 02:56:58,560
triple majority is coming down to the

2862
02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:00,520
lower tier municipalities. So all 16

2863
02:57:00,520 --> 02:57:02,960
municipalities and those councils have

2864
02:57:02,960 --> 02:57:05,760
to vote on it. Now what the third part

2865
02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:07,920
of the triple majority is is the

2866
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:10,240
electorate in each of the municipalities

2867
02:57:10,240 --> 02:57:12,720
that support it. So for example, we're

2868
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:14,080
going right back to the weighted vote

2869
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:18,319
situation here based on population. A if

2870
02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:20,960
Bradford, Westbury or Inisville,

2871
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:24,080
Collingwood, Midland for example passes

2872
02:57:24,080 --> 02:57:28,080
this resolution to consent to this then

2873
02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:30,080
we would still be outnumbered because we

2874
02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:32,160
don't have the population numbers to

2875
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:35,359
provide any um to provide any substance

2876
02:57:35,359 --> 02:57:38,200
to the to the negative.

2877
02:57:38,200 --> 02:57:40,960
So, I will just caution council that

2878
02:57:40,960 --> 02:57:42,560
whether we make a decision tonight or

2879
02:57:42,560 --> 02:57:44,800
not, it may not be the decision that

2880
02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:46,880
comes out to county council and it may

2881
02:57:46,880 --> 02:57:49,880
not be the decision of the majority

2882
02:57:49,880 --> 02:57:53,760
of of uh of the municipalities either

2883
02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:55,680
because it will certainly revert back to

2884
02:57:55,680 --> 02:57:57,680
the population base of the larger

2885
02:57:57,680 --> 02:57:59,520
municipalities. So, it'll be very

2886
02:57:59,520 --> 02:58:01,040
interesting to see how this plays out

2887
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:03,279
next couple weeks. I will note I believe

2888
02:58:03,279 --> 02:58:05,200
madam clerk informed me today that uh

2889
02:58:05,200 --> 02:58:07,359
two municipalities have already deferred

2890
02:58:07,359 --> 02:58:09,920
this item until next month to have a

2891
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:11,120
discussion on what the governance

2892
02:58:11,120 --> 02:58:12,960
committee was doing. So I think there

2893
02:58:12,960 --> 02:58:16,080
there is a certainly a mixed or a varied

2894
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:19,439
uh approach to this initiative. So I I

2895
02:58:19,439 --> 02:58:21,040
think at the end of the at the end of

2896
02:58:21,040 --> 02:58:23,520
the day if if if this council wants to

2897
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,279
make a decision then I can put the

2898
02:58:25,279 --> 02:58:27,279
motion on the floor as to not consent

2899
02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:29,439
and we can and can see where we want to

2900
02:58:29,439 --> 02:58:32,640
go. So if

2901
02:58:32,640 --> 02:58:34,319
Okay. So, let's let's put the motion on

2902
02:58:34,319 --> 02:58:36,560
and then uh we can go from there after

2903
02:58:36,560 --> 02:58:39,279
for additional comments. So, the motion

2904
02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:41,040
would read that the council of the

2905
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:42,120
township of

2906
02:58:42,120 --> 02:58:44,640
agatasio not consent to the county of

2907
02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:47,080
Simco bylaw

2908
02:58:47,080 --> 02:58:49,359
711925 being a bylaw to change the

2909
02:58:49,359 --> 02:58:50,640
composition of council of the

2910
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:52,560
corporation of the county of Simco and

2911
02:58:52,560 --> 02:58:54,399
that a copy of this resolution be sent

2912
02:58:54,399 --> 02:58:55,479
to the county

2913
02:58:55,479 --> 02:58:58,000
clerk. Okay. Okay. So, we would not be

2914
02:58:58,000 --> 02:58:59,680
consenting to the bylaw that's been

2915
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:01,520
passed by county council. Okay.

2916
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:04,080
Councelor Olri, I did see your hand. Did

2917
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:05,920
you want to provide additional comment?

2918
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:08,000
I just wanted to support our deputy

2919
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,080
mayor.

2920
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:12,000
Okay. Thank you. And deputy mayor, did

2921
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:14,800
you have any additional comments?

2922
02:59:14,800 --> 02:59:16,640
No, I'm fine. If the will council is not

2923
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,200
to go forward with this, then I'm fine

2924
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:22,080
to vote with that right now because I I

2925
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:25,600
did want information. We can wait. Um, I

2926
02:59:25,600 --> 02:59:26,960
don't think it's going to change my mind

2927
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:31,760
unless it's radically changed. Um,

2928
02:59:31,760 --> 02:59:34,080
okay. I'm okay with the vote. All right,

2929
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:35,600
Council Meadows. Yeah, I was just

2930
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:38,319
wondering if uh we should accompany a

2931
02:59:38,319 --> 02:59:43,630
letter for that supporting

2932
02:59:43,640 --> 02:59:46,000
uh supporting our decision here on

2933
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:48,399
council. The I I'll look to the I'll

2934
02:59:48,399 --> 02:59:49,680
look to the clerk, but I don't believe

2935
02:59:49,680 --> 02:59:51,040
the county is not really looking for

2936
02:59:51,040 --> 02:59:52,240
anything. They're looking They're

2937
02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:54,000
looking really for a yes or no. and and

2938
02:59:54,000 --> 02:59:55,279
that's that's kind of all they're

2939
02:59:55,279 --> 02:59:57,359
looking for. So, Madam Clerk, thank you,

2940
02:59:57,359 --> 02:59:59,200
worship through the to council. Um the

2941
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:00,720
county is just looking for the motion

2942
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:02,880
that council is passed, but as the

2943
03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:04,720
recommendation already or the motion

2944
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:06,319
already does include that a copy of the

2945
03:00:06,319 --> 03:00:07,920
resolution be sent to the county, we

2946
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:09,200
always do that put that into a

2947
03:00:09,200 --> 03:00:11,040
resolution letter stating that council

2948
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:12,960
and the state made this decision. Well,

2949
03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:14,800
can I suggest that we do a recorded vote

2950
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:17,359
on this, please?

2951
03:00:17,359 --> 03:00:18,680
Sure. That's your certainly your

2952
03:00:18,680 --> 03:00:21,920
request. Okay. Any uh any further

2953
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:24,240
comments or questions on the topic? All

2954
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:25,600
right. So, you've all heard the motion.

2955
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:27,200
Everybody's okay with the wording of the

2956
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:30,560
motion. Okay. Uh so, madame clerk, I'll

2957
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:33,120
have you uh do a recorded vote on the My

2958
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:34,399
apologies, your worship. I didn't catch

2959
03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:36,319
a mover and seconder for this motion.

2960
03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:38,800
Sorry. Uh I may have not uh done that.

2961
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:41,840
So, um I've got Deputy Mayor Locks and

2962
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:47,910
I've got councelor Meadows.

2963
03:00:47,920 --> 03:00:49,520
Your worship. Starting with councelor

2964
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:51,120
Meadows on the recorded vote on the

2965
03:00:51,120 --> 03:00:52,800
motion to not consent to the county

2966
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:54,640
council bylaw. Councelor Meadows in

2967
03:00:54,640 --> 03:00:57,760
favor or against? In favor.

2968
03:00:57,760 --> 03:01:00,479
Councelor Borzo in favor or against? In

2969
03:01:00,479 --> 03:01:03,040
favor. Councelor Cox in favor or

2970
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:07,200
against? In favor. Councelor Oir in

2971
03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:09,840
favor or against?

2972
03:01:09,840 --> 03:01:12,680
Councelor Simpson in favor or

2973
03:01:12,680 --> 03:01:17,680
against. Deputy Mayor Locks in favor or

2974
03:01:17,680 --> 03:01:20,640
in favor. And Mayor Anderson in favor or

2975
03:01:20,640 --> 03:01:23,439
against? In favor. That's seven in

2976
03:01:23,439 --> 03:01:25,439
favor, zero against. All right. So, that

2977
03:01:25,439 --> 03:01:30,150
carries seven to zero.

2978
03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:32,080
All right. That was a very uh very good

2979
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:34,680
conversation.

2980
03:01:34,680 --> 03:01:37,359
First, that was the first recorded vote.

2981
03:01:37,359 --> 03:01:40,960
We've had multiple unanimous votes.

2982
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:43,120
Yes. Yes.

2983
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:45,040
Right. All right. So, that was uh the

2984
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:48,790
correspondence. So we are on to

2985
03:01:48,790 --> 03:01:56,590
[Music]

2986
03:01:56,600 --> 03:01:59,760
bylaws. All right. First bylaw 161 is

2987
03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:03,319
2025 032 amend bylaw

2988
03:02:03,319 --> 03:02:05,600
0421 and that's to regulate parking in

2989
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:07,880
the township at Tashanio. So that bylaw

2990
03:02:07,880 --> 03:02:12,120
2025 032 being a bylaw to amend bylaw

2991
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:14,479
0421 as amended being a bylaw to

2992
03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:15,840
regulate the parking in the township of

2993
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:18,000
a Toronto will be enacted. Do I have a

2994
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:19,359
mover for that recommendation? I have

2995
03:02:19,359 --> 03:02:21,800
councelor Ori and the second by

2996
03:02:21,800 --> 03:02:25,120
Cox. Uh any questions on the bylaw? All

2997
03:02:25,120 --> 03:02:27,920
those in favor and that is carried.

2998
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:31,469
Seven to nothing. We

2999
03:02:31,479 --> 03:02:34,760
should 16.2 2 is bylaw

3000
03:02:34,760 --> 03:02:38,880
202533 uh 2025 final tax rates and ratio

3001
03:02:38,880 --> 03:02:42,640
levy bylaw. That bylaw 2025 033 being a

3002
03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:44,560
bylaw to establish municipal rates and

3003
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:47,840
tax ratios for the year 2025 and to

3004
03:02:47,840 --> 03:02:49,520
provide for the collection of interest

3005
03:02:49,520 --> 03:02:53,920
into repeal bylaw 2024 033 be enacted in

3006
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:56,600
a mover please. I have

3007
03:02:56,600 --> 03:02:59,279
councelor Simpson and a seconder please.

3008
03:02:59,279 --> 03:03:01,640
I have Deputy Mayor

3009
03:03:01,640 --> 03:03:04,479
Locks. Any questions with regards to the

3010
03:03:04,479 --> 03:03:07,160
tax ratio and tax rate

3011
03:03:07,160 --> 03:03:10,640
by seeing none, all in favor? And that

3012
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:11,880
is

3013
03:03:11,880 --> 03:03:14,600
carried. 163 is bylaw

3014
03:03:14,600 --> 03:03:17,120
2025034, which is library service with

3015
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:18,720
uh agreement with the Clear View Public

3016
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:22,160
Library Board. That bylaw 2025 034 being

3017
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:24,160
a bylaw to authorize the execution of a

3018
03:03:24,160 --> 03:03:25,520
library services agreement with the

3019
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:27,359
Clear View Public Library Board be

3020
03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:29,920
enacted. A mover, please have councelor

3021
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:32,359
Cox, second by councelor

3022
03:03:32,359 --> 03:03:36,830
Borzos. Any questions to this

3023
03:03:36,840 --> 03:03:41,200
agreement? So, you're you're you're

3024
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:43,319
just too slow for

3025
03:03:43,319 --> 03:03:46,960
Okay, all those in favor and that is

3026
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:50,150
carried.

3027
03:03:50,160 --> 03:03:51,840
And while we're passing these bylaws, by

3028
03:03:51,840 --> 03:03:52,880
the way, because we do have a lot,

3029
03:03:52,880 --> 03:03:54,240
there's two agreements here, Clear View

3030
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:56,160
and New Dumpsa. And I will encourage all

3031
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:57,520
residents that we do have these

3032
03:03:57,520 --> 03:04:00,960
agreements and if you do uh wish to uh

3033
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:02,560
utilize the services of either of these

3034
03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:04,080
libraries, we also have one with the

3035
03:04:04,080 --> 03:04:06,880
ESSA public library uh to to do so

3036
03:04:06,880 --> 03:04:08,720
because uh these are great resources in

3037
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:10,960
our community and they provide great uh

3038
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:13,359
a great resource for us without the

3039
03:04:13,359 --> 03:04:15,920
actual need to build and maintain a

3040
03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:19,880
library here. Uh so 164 is bylaw

3041
03:04:19,880 --> 03:04:22,000
202535 bought library service agreement

3042
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:24,399
with town of newcomes. uh sorry new to

3043
03:04:24,399 --> 03:04:27,080
comes public library board so that bylaw

3044
03:04:27,080 --> 03:04:29,520
2025034 being a bylaw to authorize the

3045
03:04:29,520 --> 03:04:31,120
execution of a library services

3046
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:33,200
agreement with new dumpsa public library

3047
03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:36,479
board be enacted and a mover please I've

3048
03:04:36,479 --> 03:04:39,479
depir locks and a second by councelor

3049
03:04:39,479 --> 03:04:45,710
oli all those in favor and that is

3050
03:04:45,720 --> 03:04:49,790
carried all right so we're on

3051
03:04:49,800 --> 03:04:54,080
to notice motion 17.1 1. Uh the notice

3052
03:04:54,080 --> 03:04:56,000
motion this evening is whereas the

3053
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:58,560
township has an obligation to provide

3054
03:04:58,560 --> 03:05:00,080
safe drinking water and to keep

3055
03:05:00,080 --> 03:05:01,840
residents informed of any potential

3056
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:03,240
health

3057
03:05:03,240 --> 03:05:07,359
risks and whereas the trial tri I'll get

3058
03:05:07,359 --> 03:05:09,640
this right

3059
03:05:09,640 --> 03:05:12,240
trial levels in the Lorettto WKA

3060
03:05:12,240 --> 03:05:14,600
drinking water system were observed at

3061
03:05:14,600 --> 03:05:18,640
101.3 UGL running annual average exce

3062
03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:20,479
exceeding the Ontario drinking water

3063
03:05:20,479 --> 03:05:25,040
standard of 100 UGL by 1.3% and the

3064
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:26,800
township was not notified with the

3065
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:28,399
statutory time frame within the

3066
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:30,960
statutory time frame and whereas since

3067
03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:33,439
the exceedence township staff in

3068
03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:35,200
cooperation with Ontario Clean Water

3069
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:37,600
Agency have identified and assessed

3070
03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:40,160
methods of mitigation and control of THM

3071
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:43,439
levels in the Lorettto water system. Now

3072
03:05:43,439 --> 03:05:45,120
therefore be resolved that an official

3073
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:46,800
notice of exceedence and information

3074
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:48,600
regarding the potential side effects of

3075
03:05:48,600 --> 03:05:51,120
THM and the works completed to mitigate

3076
03:05:51,120 --> 03:05:53,200
the potential for occurrence be included

3077
03:05:53,200 --> 03:05:56,800
in the July 2025 water bills. And

3078
03:05:56,800 --> 03:05:58,520
further that the report with

3079
03:05:58,520 --> 03:06:00,880
recommendations and next steps be posted

3080
03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:02,720
to the township website no later than

3081
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:04,680
May 15,

3082
03:06:04,680 --> 03:06:08,160
2025. and further that anytime THM or

3083
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:10,479
any other contaminant levels exceed the

3084
03:06:10,479 --> 03:06:12,399
Ontario drinking water standard,

3085
03:06:12,399 --> 03:06:14,160
residents and council receive a

3086
03:06:14,160 --> 03:06:16,399
notification of the exceedence within 10

3087
03:06:16,399 --> 03:06:18,000
business days through the township

3088
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:19,840
website, which will include the

3089
03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:21,920
following information. recorded

3090
03:06:21,920 --> 03:06:24,560
contaminant levels, sample numbers and

3091
03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:27,359
dates, potential health implications,

3092
03:06:27,359 --> 03:06:29,200
steps taken by the Ontario Clean Water

3093
03:06:29,200 --> 03:06:31,439
Agency and the township to address the

3094
03:06:31,439 --> 03:06:33,439
issue, including any precautionary

3095
03:06:33,439 --> 03:06:36,240
measures residents should take, if any,

3096
03:06:36,240 --> 03:06:38,399
and further that Aqua through township

3097
03:06:38,399 --> 03:06:41,600
staff submit a quarterly report on water

3098
03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:43,760
quality, including THM levels, to be

3099
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:45,840
posted on the township website and

3100
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:47,600
circulated to council through email that

3101
03:06:47,600 --> 03:06:49,600
include monthly readings when available

3102
03:06:49,600 --> 03:06:51,680
with sample dates, levels, and their

3103
03:06:51,680 --> 03:06:53,680
correlation to Ontario drinking water

3104
03:06:53,680 --> 03:06:55,080
standard

3105
03:06:55,080 --> 03:06:57,279
guidelines. And further that township

3106
03:06:57,279 --> 03:06:58,960
staff

3107
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:00,880
uh sorry and further that township staff

3108
03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:02,479
invest in investigate and prepare a

3109
03:07:02,479 --> 03:07:05,200
report to council on alternate water

3110
03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:07,600
sources for all settlement areas

3111
03:07:07,600 --> 03:07:09,439
including but not limited to feasibility

3112
03:07:09,439 --> 03:07:11,600
of connecting to the Georgian uh

3113
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:13,279
pipeline cost estimates and

3114
03:07:13,279 --> 03:07:15,200
implementation timeline summarizing

3115
03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:17,040
findings in a detailed report presented

3116
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:20,520
to council by no later than August 31st

3117
03:07:20,520 --> 03:07:23,680
2025. So councelor Borzos you made that

3118
03:07:23,680 --> 03:07:25,200
motion. Are you continue you wish to

3119
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:27,120
continue to put that on the floor? I

3120
03:07:27,120 --> 03:07:29,279
would like to. Yes. And if I may through

3121
03:07:29,279 --> 03:07:32,160
the chair just uh wanted to present an

3122
03:07:32,160 --> 03:07:34,640
acknowledgement here to my colleague

3123
03:07:34,640 --> 03:07:36,720
councelor Meadows here for providing the

3124
03:07:36,720 --> 03:07:39,200
framework for this one and just to uh

3125
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:41,040
recognize the fact that the the actual

3126
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:45,840
incident happened in his uh ward and and

3127
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:47,840
so I feel that this is a teamwork. It's

3128
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:50,399
not my motion by myself. It's a it's

3129
03:07:50,399 --> 03:07:53,359
it's a culmination of all what we were

3130
03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:55,120
looking for in terms of water and maybe

3131
03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:56,640
this is just the first step in the right

3132
03:07:56,640 --> 03:08:01,190
direction. Thank you.

3133
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:02,760
Okay.

3134
03:08:02,760 --> 03:08:05,200
Um if you'd like I can get a second or

3135
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:07,120
if you like we can just discuss the the

3136
03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:11,760
topic as it's up to you councelor

3137
03:08:11,760 --> 03:08:15,160
if colleagues have comments by any means

3138
03:08:15,160 --> 03:08:18,560
please forward. All right sounds good.

3139
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:21,520
So that is procedural. Uh yeah, that's

3140
03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:25,080
fine for for that.

3141
03:08:25,080 --> 03:08:28,080
Yeah. All right. Comments, questions. I

3142
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:32,990
have councelor

3143
03:08:33,000 --> 03:08:36,399
Cox. Yeah. Through this uh chair to the

3144
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:39,120
CEO. Uh the time frames provided, are

3145
03:08:39,120 --> 03:08:43,279
they um like adequate enough for staff?

3146
03:08:43,279 --> 03:08:46,240
Like I know staff is definitely uh they

3147
03:08:46,240 --> 03:08:48,319
have a lot on their plate. So I want to

3148
03:08:48,319 --> 03:08:50,479
make sure like one of them is tomorrow.

3149
03:08:50,479 --> 03:08:51,760
So I just want to make sure that the

3150
03:08:51,760 --> 03:08:54,319
time frames are acceptable or if there's

3151
03:08:54,319 --> 03:08:56,520
any like adjustments that would be

3152
03:08:56,520 --> 03:08:58,960
recommended for this to be able to be

3153
03:08:58,960 --> 03:09:01,520
done properly and it effectively through

3154
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:06,160
our staff time. Mr. Se uh through Mr.

3155
03:09:06,160 --> 03:09:09,279
Mayor to the counselor. Um the

3156
03:09:09,279 --> 03:09:12,240
notification on the website and the date

3157
03:09:12,240 --> 03:09:14,479
for the notification going out with the

3158
03:09:14,479 --> 03:09:16,880
water bills is something that uh staff

3159
03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:20,560
can do. The with respect to uh reporting

3160
03:09:20,560 --> 03:09:23,040
back to council. Um it would be

3161
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:25,880
preferential to have that either in the

3162
03:09:25,880 --> 03:09:28,560
September council meeting or the October

3163
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:31,600
council meeting if uh if that is uh the

3164
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:35,590
will of council.

3165
03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:39,560
Okay. Councelor Cox supplementary.

3166
03:09:39,560 --> 03:09:42,000
Uh is there anything else within this

3167
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:44,479
motion that may be overbearing on the

3168
03:09:44,479 --> 03:09:46,720
staff presently given the current

3169
03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:49,439
complement of staff?

3170
03:09:49,439 --> 03:09:52,240
Mr. Seio, uh through you, Mr. Mayor, I

3171
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:54,560
believe that the current staff uh will

3172
03:09:54,560 --> 03:09:57,439
be able to execute this uh as uh

3173
03:09:57,439 --> 03:09:59,439
written. Again, the preference would be

3174
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:01,920
for the council meeting uh of September,

3175
03:10:01,920 --> 03:10:04,560
October for the Fulsome report back,

3176
03:10:04,560 --> 03:10:07,120
which would give uh an opportunity uh

3177
03:10:07,120 --> 03:10:09,279
for all the work that would be necessary

3178
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:13,920
to fully inform a council report.

3179
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:16,000
Mike, I can I propose a fing motion that

3180
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:19,120
we adjust or amend the motion to adjust

3181
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:20,880
that time frame to maybe let's say

3182
03:10:20,880 --> 03:10:23,680
September 30th. Sure, we can uh repark

3183
03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:24,960
that for now and come back to that

3184
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:27,840
question. Okay. All right. Uh, councelor

3185
03:10:27,840 --> 03:10:30,840
Simpson to the chair.

3186
03:10:30,840 --> 03:10:34,000
Um, I will note uh just for the record

3187
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:36,160
that I've had many residents reach out

3188
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:39,760
to me um ever since our March meeting on

3189
03:10:39,760 --> 03:10:43,920
Aqua um regarding this issue and the

3190
03:10:43,920 --> 03:10:47,960
need for posting uh these numbers

3191
03:10:47,960 --> 03:10:50,399
online. Um I know we've had that

3192
03:10:50,399 --> 03:10:53,680
discussion in the past. Um, and I think

3193
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:55,680
uh this is a good motion that that

3194
03:10:55,680 --> 03:10:58,960
captures all of that. And um uh I'd be

3195
03:10:58,960 --> 03:11:00,640
in favor of seconding the motion if

3196
03:11:00,640 --> 03:11:07,190
there isn't a seconder already. So

3197
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:09,279
uh I've got Deputy Mayor Locks. Uh and

3198
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:11,840
then Councelor Meadows. Uh thank you

3199
03:11:11,840 --> 03:11:14,520
through the chair.

3200
03:11:14,520 --> 03:11:17,520
Um, so my biggest concern uh with this

3201
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:18,439
motion

3202
03:11:18,439 --> 03:11:22,319
was CEO possibly

3203
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:24,319
um said it was all right with the effect

3204
03:11:24,319 --> 03:11:26,479
of putting all the information out on in

3205
03:11:26,479 --> 03:11:29,840
the water bills um just for time time

3206
03:11:29,840 --> 03:11:31,680
wise and staff wise that's that's not an

3207
03:11:31,680 --> 03:11:35,680
issue at all you believe

3208
03:11:35,680 --> 03:11:37,760
uh through Mr. mayor will put as many

3209
03:11:37,760 --> 03:11:40,399
facts as we can with gathering with that

3210
03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:43,120
time and put that out. Um some of these

3211
03:11:43,120 --> 03:11:45,200
things are are fairly wide known. There

3212
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:47,680
is some uh data behind them and I

3213
03:11:47,680 --> 03:11:50,000
believe that um depending on when the

3214
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:53,840
water bills go out uh but for a July

3215
03:11:53,840 --> 03:11:55,920
water bill uh yes I think that we can

3216
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:57,840
hit that that particular time frame.

3217
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:01,359
Okay. um supplement. Um the other was

3218
03:12:01,359 --> 03:12:03,760
that I I believe so aqua have they

3219
03:12:03,760 --> 03:12:07,399
stepped up from just a yearly report to

3220
03:12:07,399 --> 03:12:11,359
quarterly after the incident is that

3221
03:12:11,359 --> 03:12:14,240
so Mr. CO no but like reporting like to

3222
03:12:14,240 --> 03:12:16,080
on the triath these things are on the

3223
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:17,840
actual reporting there's two things that

3224
03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:19,600
are that they've been doing but I'll let

3225
03:12:19,600 --> 03:12:22,560
the co explain so on the thms first

3226
03:12:22,560 --> 03:12:24,319
maybe Chris and then we can if you want

3227
03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:25,520
to talk about I think it's already in

3228
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:27,200
the motion but I think Aqua's stepped up

3229
03:12:27,200 --> 03:12:28,479
to also provide quarterly reports

3230
03:12:28,479 --> 03:12:30,399
regardless of this motion or not so if

3231
03:12:30,399 --> 03:12:32,160
you'd like to just capture those two.

3232
03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:33,359
Yeah I was just wondering if that was

3233
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:36,080
redundant but CEO can explain that I

3234
03:12:36,080 --> 03:12:39,920
guess uh through Mr. Mayor, um the

3235
03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:43,160
um third party drinking water aqua uh

3236
03:12:43,160 --> 03:12:46,960
has since provided our monthly read in

3237
03:12:46,960 --> 03:12:48,399
quarterly reports but broken down with

3238
03:12:48,399 --> 03:12:50,479
the monthly readings. Uh they actually

3239
03:12:50,479 --> 03:12:53,120
have uh weekly reading readings that

3240
03:12:53,120 --> 03:12:55,040
they collect and then again it's

3241
03:12:55,040 --> 03:12:57,439
summarized monthly and also uh

3242
03:12:57,439 --> 03:12:59,359
summarized with the running annual

3243
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:03,359
average which uh was within um the

3244
03:13:03,359 --> 03:13:05,720
motion put forward. it is

3245
03:13:05,720 --> 03:13:10,080
um the note of a running uh running

3246
03:13:10,080 --> 03:13:14,800
annual average RA. Uh so all of those uh

3247
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:16,720
information and the breakdown of

3248
03:13:16,720 --> 03:13:19,520
information including their weekly uh

3249
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:23,520
samples are all within those reports.

3250
03:13:23,520 --> 03:13:25,120
Can can you just clarify as to what

3251
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:27,279
those we've seen good results with those

3252
03:13:27,279 --> 03:13:29,359
reports and uh could you cl clarify just

3253
03:13:29,359 --> 03:13:31,439
for council as to where that's where

3254
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:33,680
that's at? Uh through you Mr. mayor and

3255
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:35,760
to uh to all of council uh and the

3256
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:39,000
public. The latest u April monthly

3257
03:13:39,000 --> 03:13:42,160
readings the average is down to half.

3258
03:13:42,160 --> 03:13:44,600
It's at 50 milligrams per liter and the

3259
03:13:44,600 --> 03:13:47,680
RR the running annual average is down to

3260
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:50,880
53 micrograms per liter. Uh so again

3261
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:55,120
it's well below the 100 uh RR 100

3262
03:13:55,120 --> 03:13:58,800
micrograms per liter as as uh previously

3263
03:13:58,800 --> 03:14:01,600
read. Okay. And I'll just I guess I'll

3264
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:03,040
just piggyback on that one comment as

3265
03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:06,239
well that so the reports recommending or

3266
03:14:06,239 --> 03:14:08,960
the um resolution is asking for

3267
03:14:08,960 --> 03:14:10,560
quarterly reports and I believe Aqua's

3268
03:14:10,560 --> 03:14:13,040
already stepped up and have will or can

3269
03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:15,760
provide that with regards to uh those

3270
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:17,520
quarterly reports without the

3271
03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:19,359
involvement of council resolution I

3272
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:20,880
guess. So just wanted to confirm that

3273
03:14:20,880 --> 03:14:24,080
that's their their goal is to do that.

3274
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:27,279
That's correct Mr. Mayor. Okay. So let's

3275
03:14:27,279 --> 03:14:30,319
go. Sure. carry on and and all these

3276
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:33,200
reports they're easily accessible on the

3277
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:36,239
website. Correct.

3278
03:14:36,239 --> 03:14:37,520
Through the mayor, we will be posting

3279
03:14:37,520 --> 03:14:39,920
them as of as as noted in the council

3280
03:14:39,920 --> 03:14:42,080
resolution. If passed, then it will be

3281
03:14:42,080 --> 03:14:44,160
uh posted on the website at that'll be

3282
03:14:44,160 --> 03:14:46,960
changing from ideally it was just yearly

3283
03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:48,880
numbers that we received. We would be

3284
03:14:48,880 --> 03:14:51,760
posting them as council uh votes on this

3285
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:53,279
uh if it's passed and that's what we'll

3286
03:14:53,279 --> 03:14:56,239
be doing. And one last aspect. Yeah. And

3287
03:14:56,239 --> 03:14:58,160
I just might add they're going to I

3288
03:14:58,160 --> 03:14:59,439
don't think staff are going to do it

3289
03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:00,560
regardless if council passes the

3290
03:15:00,560 --> 03:15:03,120
resolution tonight or not. Excellent. If

3291
03:15:03,120 --> 03:15:04,880
Aqua's providing us quarterly reports,

3292
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:06,720
we're going to be providing data. Okay.

3293
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:09,359
Absolutely. And just finally, if you

3294
03:15:09,359 --> 03:15:11,359
may,

3295
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:13,239
you may. I

3296
03:15:13,239 --> 03:15:17,120
may. Um the last part of the um notice

3297
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:20,080
of motion is is just slightly concerning

3298
03:15:20,080 --> 03:15:24,160
to me of looking for for um different

3299
03:15:24,160 --> 03:15:26,319
sources of water because if if we do

3300
03:15:26,319 --> 03:15:28,960
find a really good source of water, your

3301
03:15:28,960 --> 03:15:31,200
township may grow may grow substantially

3302
03:15:31,200 --> 03:15:35,840
more than you want it to. Okay.

3303
03:15:35,840 --> 03:15:38,399
Oh, then we'll get more votes. Anyways,

3304
03:15:38,399 --> 03:15:41,680
that's all. Uh I do believe we have uh

3305
03:15:41,680 --> 03:15:43,920
the staff has already looked out but I

3306
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:45,680
guess they will look out once more for a

3307
03:15:45,680 --> 03:15:47,439
different water water source if

3308
03:15:47,439 --> 03:15:50,080
available. All right. Thank you. Okay.

3309
03:15:50,080 --> 03:15:51,800
I've uh councelor

3310
03:15:51,800 --> 03:15:56,880
metals. Um next. Yes. Thank you through

3311
03:15:56,880 --> 03:16:00,479
the chair. Yeah, that this came to me uh

3312
03:16:00,479 --> 03:16:02,880
one of my concerning uh points was the

3313
03:16:02,880 --> 03:16:05,359
fact that uh the trihalomemethane levels

3314
03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:09,760
jumped up to over 120 uh before anybody

3315
03:16:09,760 --> 03:16:12,439
even recognized uh this issue was

3316
03:16:12,439 --> 03:16:15,040
happening. That was that was the one

3317
03:16:15,040 --> 03:16:16,479
thing that really bothered me. We're

3318
03:16:16,479 --> 03:16:19,840
paying we're paying Aqua quite a bit of

3319
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:22,000
money as an organization to look after

3320
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:23,439
our water and this fell through the

3321
03:16:23,439 --> 03:16:25,399
cracks.

3322
03:16:25,399 --> 03:16:27,279
Trialomemethanes are nothing to mess

3323
03:16:27,279 --> 03:16:28,319
around with because they're

3324
03:16:28,319 --> 03:16:31,520
cancer-causing uh uh problems within our

3325
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:32,520
water

3326
03:16:32,520 --> 03:16:36,000
system. Now, this is where I have a bit

3327
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:40,399
of an issue as well. Under in Ontario,

3328
03:16:40,399 --> 03:16:43,439
uh we're measured under 100 parts per

3329
03:16:43,439 --> 03:16:47,120
million or whatever it is, uh UGL's,

3330
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:48,840
whatever you want, micrograms,

3331
03:16:48,840 --> 03:16:50,439
micrograms,

3332
03:16:50,439 --> 03:16:54,600
UGLs. Europe is under 30.

3333
03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:56,920
Okay.

3334
03:16:56,920 --> 03:16:59,399
Now, what about

3335
03:16:59,399 --> 03:17:02,160
children? What's the acceptable rate for

3336
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:03,800
a

3337
03:17:03,800 --> 03:17:06,720
child? That's an adult now that's taking

3338
03:17:06,720 --> 03:17:09,520
in this 120. What's an acceptable rate

3339
03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:14,190
for a child for for

3340
03:17:14,200 --> 03:17:16,319
trihalmethanes? And this is the problem

3341
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:18,680
I have. There is no

3342
03:17:18,680 --> 03:17:22,160
constant or size for anything with

3343
03:17:22,160 --> 03:17:25,520
regards to these. Now, I we had problems

3344
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:27,279
with our water up in New Market when I

3345
03:17:27,279 --> 03:17:29,439
was young and there was a lot of cancer

3346
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:32,680
uh rates that shot up in my subdivision

3347
03:17:32,680 --> 03:17:35,040
alone. I'm not trying to scare people,

3348
03:17:35,040 --> 03:17:36,960
but I'm just I'm just trying to make

3349
03:17:36,960 --> 03:17:39,760
things real. This is water. This is

3350
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:41,760
something they pay for. This is

3351
03:17:41,760 --> 03:17:43,760
something our families are drinking on

3352
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:47,510
an annual basis.

3353
03:17:47,520 --> 03:17:49,279
That's why I brought this up in the

3354
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:51,680
first place and I was quite upset that

3355
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:52,760
it didn't go

3356
03:17:52,760 --> 03:17:55,720
through. Very

3357
03:17:55,720 --> 03:17:59,760
upset. We have to be cognitive of the

3358
03:17:59,760 --> 03:18:01,760
emergencies that happened in this

3359
03:18:01,760 --> 03:18:03,479
township and we have to have the

3360
03:18:03,479 --> 03:18:06,960
reserves and a secondary backup for

3361
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:09,920
things when they go wrong. And that's

3362
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:12,399
why the last portion of this is very

3363
03:18:12,399 --> 03:18:14,880
important to look into alternate water

3364
03:18:14,880 --> 03:18:17,279
supplies for this township. If we're

3365
03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:20,319
going to expand as a township, we're

3366
03:18:20,319 --> 03:18:22,800
going to need these supplies because we

3367
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:24,560
don't have the infrastructure to support

3368
03:18:24,560 --> 03:18:25,640
it right

3369
03:18:25,640 --> 03:18:29,160
now. And Kan's already looking to

3370
03:18:29,160 --> 03:18:33,760
expand. You know, like it's you you got

3371
03:18:33,760 --> 03:18:35,439
developers knocking on your back door

3372
03:18:35,439 --> 03:18:36,920
all the

3373
03:18:36,920 --> 03:18:41,080
time and we cannot go into this well if

3374
03:18:41,080 --> 03:18:43,319
knowing there's

3375
03:18:43,319 --> 03:18:47,640
problems. Lorettto, I've already heard

3376
03:18:47,640 --> 03:18:50,720
uh from from in the past that there's a

3377
03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:52,479
developer knocking on the door there as

3378
03:18:52,479 --> 03:18:55,880
well. How can we sit here as a

3379
03:18:55,880 --> 03:18:57,920
council knowing that there's a problem

3380
03:18:57,920 --> 03:19:00,319
with this particular well to allow

3381
03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:02,479
another subdivision to go in to put

3382
03:19:02,479 --> 03:19:05,600
stress on that water supply? if we don't

3383
03:19:05,600 --> 03:19:08,399
know these levels and don't understand

3384
03:19:08,399 --> 03:19:12,319
how to read these reports or I I was

3385
03:19:12,319 --> 03:19:15,520
surprised when when I was told that this

3386
03:19:15,520 --> 03:19:18,640
report came forward to the council and

3387
03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:20,319
there was nothing wrong with it and that

3388
03:19:20,319 --> 03:19:22,160
was told to us there's nothing wrong

3389
03:19:22,160 --> 03:19:24,239
with the water yet there was a

3390
03:19:24,239 --> 03:19:26,680
deficiency that was not put forward

3391
03:19:26,680 --> 03:19:29,680
properly or recorded properly to this

3392
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:32,640
council and we're making decisions were

3393
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:34,960
all responsible for for the well-being

3394
03:19:34,960 --> 03:19:37,479
of the people in this

3395
03:19:37,479 --> 03:19:40,080
township. And we're the ones that go to

3396
03:19:40,080 --> 03:19:42,319
jail, not the people at the township. We

3397
03:19:42,319 --> 03:19:45,200
are, not Aqua. We are because we make

3398
03:19:45,200 --> 03:19:47,600
the decisions and they're giving us the

3399
03:19:47,600 --> 03:19:49,239
wrong

3400
03:19:49,239 --> 03:19:52,279
information. So, just keep that in

3401
03:19:52,279 --> 03:19:55,680
mind. Thank you.

3402
03:19:55,680 --> 03:19:58,319
Okay. Thank you, counselor. Um, I see

3403
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:00,080
your hand. Councelor, I'm going to speak

3404
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:02,120
first and then I'll come to you.

3405
03:20:02,120 --> 03:20:05,760
Um, I do have some concerns with just

3406
03:20:05,760 --> 03:20:09,239
how we report this information.

3407
03:20:09,239 --> 03:20:11,920
Um, we've sat here, we've had a

3408
03:20:11,920 --> 03:20:13,920
discussion at our at the one regular

3409
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:15,600
council meeting. We had Aqua come back

3410
03:20:15,600 --> 03:20:17,720
in and and provide a detailed

3411
03:20:17,720 --> 03:20:20,640
presentation and analysis of what of

3412
03:20:20,640 --> 03:20:22,560
what's going on and and how they're

3413
03:20:22,560 --> 03:20:24,880
mitigating the concerns that council

3414
03:20:24,880 --> 03:20:27,200
addressed to them. Uh we've heard

3415
03:20:27,200 --> 03:20:29,560
tonight as well that they're doing um

3416
03:20:29,560 --> 03:20:31,840
weekly of course weekly testing and

3417
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:34,920
monthly uh recording of all the of of

3418
03:20:34,920 --> 03:20:37,600
THM particularly in the Lorettto system

3419
03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:40,479
and we've seen a considerable decrease

3420
03:20:40,479 --> 03:20:44,239
in that. So, there are a couple things

3421
03:20:44,239 --> 03:20:45,960
that are concerning. And the first

3422
03:20:45,960 --> 03:20:49,720
thing, again, I I want to be very clear

3423
03:20:49,720 --> 03:20:52,479
that we do have an obligation as a

3424
03:20:52,479 --> 03:20:54,239
council and as a township to provide

3425
03:20:54,239 --> 03:20:56,239
safe, clean drinking water to everyone

3426
03:20:56,239 --> 03:20:58,800
who is on a municipal service and we do

3427
03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:02,800
do that. There was a running exceedence

3428
03:21:02,800 --> 03:21:08,319
in the THMs in Lorettto over a year ago.

3429
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:10,960
Knowing that information now doesn't

3430
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:12,800
really change the fact that this

3431
03:21:12,800 --> 03:21:16,880
happened over a year ago. Um, so I do

3432
03:21:16,880 --> 03:21:20,080
respect the idea that residents need to

3433
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:20,840
be

3434
03:21:20,840 --> 03:21:23,359
informed, but I would argue that the

3435
03:21:23,359 --> 03:21:25,359
residents in Lorettto need to be

3436
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:28,000
informed because my concern here is

3437
03:21:28,000 --> 03:21:30,720
reporting out that we have T high THM

3438
03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:32,800
levels in our municipal water system,

3439
03:21:32,800 --> 03:21:34,399
which are generally in the water system

3440
03:21:34,399 --> 03:21:38,279
anyways because it's chlorine and and

3441
03:21:38,279 --> 03:21:40,880
um natural. I'm thinking about the word.

3442
03:21:40,880 --> 03:21:43,880
It's not natural.

3443
03:21:43,880 --> 03:21:46,720
um organics in the water system. Thank

3444
03:21:46,720 --> 03:21:49,279
you. Uh organic and and chlorine mixing

3445
03:21:49,279 --> 03:21:52,560
that provide that promotes this THM. So

3446
03:21:52,560 --> 03:21:54,040
all systems do

3447
03:21:54,040 --> 03:21:56,800
have some of this in the in the system

3448
03:21:56,800 --> 03:21:59,760
and that's why it's reported to us in

3449
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:02,560
the annual report. So, my concern is is

3450
03:22:02,560 --> 03:22:05,520
that we have we have seven hamlets that

3451
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:06,520
have water

3452
03:22:06,520 --> 03:22:09,200
systems, and we're going to send out a

3453
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:11,920
notice in the in the water bill to all

3454
03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:13,920
these seven hamlets. And the first thing

3455
03:22:13,920 --> 03:22:15,600
anyone is going to do is pick up the

3456
03:22:15,600 --> 03:22:18,239
phone and inundate this township with

3457
03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:19,920
phone calls after phone calls after

3458
03:22:19,920 --> 03:22:21,760
phone calls saying, "What's wrong with

3459
03:22:21,760 --> 03:22:22,840
my

3460
03:22:22,840 --> 03:22:25,120
water?" And there's absolutely nothing

3461
03:22:25,120 --> 03:22:27,359
wrong with the municipal drinking water

3462
03:22:27,359 --> 03:22:30,000
in this township. And I have a concern

3463
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:32,080
that we are going to inundate our staff.

3464
03:22:32,080 --> 03:22:33,760
We're going to inundate ourselves with

3465
03:22:33,760 --> 03:22:35,840
these requests. And I'm all for

3466
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:37,359
providing as much information to the

3467
03:22:37,359 --> 03:22:40,279
public as possible, but in the best way

3468
03:22:40,279 --> 03:22:42,880
possible. And I have a fear that we put

3469
03:22:42,880 --> 03:22:45,520
this out to to the to the water users in

3470
03:22:45,520 --> 03:22:47,840
their water bill and we will have those

3471
03:22:47,840 --> 03:22:49,200
phone calls. We will have those

3472
03:22:49,200 --> 03:22:51,279
concerns. We will have a packed council

3473
03:22:51,279 --> 03:22:52,920
chamber at the next council meeting

3474
03:22:52,920 --> 03:22:56,399
saying, "What is wrong? What's on fire?

3475
03:22:56,399 --> 03:22:58,479
Where's the fire?" and saying what are

3476
03:22:58,479 --> 03:23:00,800
you doing about it and we've already

3477
03:23:00,800 --> 03:23:03,359
addressed those issues and so I again I

3478
03:23:03,359 --> 03:23:04,800
don't want to put fear in anyone I don't

3479
03:23:04,800 --> 03:23:06,880
want to have that conversation of you

3480
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:10,319
know we're providing unsuitable water to

3481
03:23:10,319 --> 03:23:13,120
to our residents we are providing clean

3482
03:23:13,120 --> 03:23:15,760
safe drinking water to our residents and

3483
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:18,080
so I I would caution and I'm going to

3484
03:23:18,080 --> 03:23:19,840
suggest to the mover and potentially

3485
03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:22,319
secondary that that we could remove that

3486
03:23:22,319 --> 03:23:24,319
item if we are providing this

3487
03:23:24,319 --> 03:23:26,720
information on our website in any ways

3488
03:23:26,720 --> 03:23:27,720
uh we're providing providing that

3489
03:23:27,720 --> 03:23:30,399
information. Um there the reports are

3490
03:23:30,399 --> 03:23:32,160
going to be quarterly moving forward.

3491
03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:33,920
We're looking at progress. We're not

3492
03:23:33,920 --> 03:23:35,279
looking at the past. We're looking at

3493
03:23:35,279 --> 03:23:36,800
progress. And if we're going to provide

3494
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:39,520
quarterly reports on our on our website,

3495
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:42,160
then I think we kind of satisfy the need

3496
03:23:42,160 --> 03:23:46,479
to um to go allin on on providing on

3497
03:23:46,479 --> 03:23:48,560
providing this in our water bills. So, I

3498
03:23:48,560 --> 03:23:51,760
would be looking to to council to um

3499
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:54,640
strike that section and that we not

3500
03:23:54,640 --> 03:23:56,160
provide that in our water bills because

3501
03:23:56,160 --> 03:23:58,880
I think the harm it will do to the

3502
03:23:58,880 --> 03:24:01,720
municipality uh outweighs the

3503
03:24:01,720 --> 03:24:05,120
good. Um I do concur with the concept

3504
03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:07,200
and to the CEO that potentially we could

3505
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:09,760
add uh the deadline to October 31st,

3506
03:24:09,760 --> 03:24:13,279
2025 for staff report to come back. And

3507
03:24:13,279 --> 03:24:14,800
in the last item and and the deputy

3508
03:24:14,800 --> 03:24:17,439
mayor kind of u hinted at this as to and

3509
03:24:17,439 --> 03:24:19,880
it's been talked about

3510
03:24:19,880 --> 03:24:23,840
um finding alternate water supplies uh

3511
03:24:23,840 --> 03:24:25,279
in the township is certainly something

3512
03:24:25,279 --> 03:24:28,399
we could do. There is a desire to see

3513
03:24:28,399 --> 03:24:30,160
some crossborder services between

3514
03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:32,800
municipalities and something that staff

3515
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:34,479
um and myself could certainly

3516
03:24:34,479 --> 03:24:36,479
investigate a bit further. We've already

3517
03:24:36,479 --> 03:24:38,720
had some initial meetings on that topic.

3518
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:40,479
Um, so we could certainly investigate

3519
03:24:40,479 --> 03:24:42,720
that a bit more and and submit a staff

3520
03:24:42,720 --> 03:24:45,680
report to to council

3521
03:24:45,680 --> 03:24:47,840
uh on the need for that. Again, my

3522
03:24:47,840 --> 03:24:48,920
concern

3523
03:24:48,920 --> 03:24:51,640
is comes back to kind of the development

3524
03:24:51,640 --> 03:24:54,560
aspect. Um, we know we have developers

3525
03:24:54,560 --> 03:24:57,720
in the neighborhood looking to provide

3526
03:24:57,720 --> 03:25:01,600
uh services. Um, and we've sat here time

3527
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:03,040
and time again and said the developers

3528
03:25:03,040 --> 03:25:05,760
should be paying for services. But if we

3529
03:25:05,760 --> 03:25:07,359
preemptively go out and find an

3530
03:25:07,359 --> 03:25:09,680
alternative water supply, then we're

3531
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:11,760
actually the ones that are actually now

3532
03:25:11,760 --> 03:25:13,920
encouraging the development uh

3533
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:15,680
encouraging the developers to come in

3534
03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:18,399
using our services that we're now

3535
03:25:18,399 --> 03:25:21,040
providing to the municipality. So, I

3536
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:22,720
think there it's kind of like a catch 22

3537
03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:26,680
here. Um, we can certainly explore this

3538
03:25:26,680 --> 03:25:28,960
opportunity. Uh but we're talking about

3539
03:25:28,960 --> 03:25:31,760
like you know Everett being right now

3540
03:25:31,760 --> 03:25:35,040
the size of 5,000 you know 5,000 people

3541
03:25:35,040 --> 03:25:36,960
like adding additional water services

3542
03:25:36,960 --> 03:25:38,720
and other services to the municipality

3543
03:25:38,720 --> 03:25:42,080
like we could see you know we've talked

3544
03:25:42,080 --> 03:25:43,359
about growth plans here to see a

3545
03:25:43,359 --> 03:25:45,359
population inevit of 10,000 people we

3546
03:25:45,359 --> 03:25:47,279
could see that go to 20 or 40,000 people

3547
03:25:47,279 --> 03:25:49,600
in the next 10 years

3548
03:25:49,600 --> 03:25:52,160
um in Lorettto growing another by

3549
03:25:52,160 --> 03:25:54,720
another five or 5,000 and Kan growing by

3550
03:25:54,720 --> 03:25:57,359
another 10,000 by providing these

3551
03:25:57,359 --> 03:25:58,760
services.

3552
03:25:58,760 --> 03:26:03,279
So, you know, if if that's the the

3553
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:06,399
implication of going down this road and

3554
03:26:06,399 --> 03:26:08,560
the willingness of council to see our

3555
03:26:08,560 --> 03:26:11,200
township grow from 11,000 to 50,000 or

3556
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:14,640
60,000 people within the next 20 years,

3557
03:26:14,640 --> 03:26:16,160
um that's going to be a legacy that we

3558
03:26:16,160 --> 03:26:18,479
are going to leave behind as well. So,

3559
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:20,399
I've had concerns. There's been concerns

3560
03:26:20,399 --> 03:26:22,000
around the table as to what development

3561
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:24,239
we want to see. How do we control

3562
03:26:24,239 --> 03:26:26,640
development and looking at alternative

3563
03:26:26,640 --> 03:26:29,279
water supplies is actually feeding into

3564
03:26:29,279 --> 03:26:32,319
that development initiative. And I'm

3565
03:26:32,319 --> 03:26:33,600
okay with getting that information back

3566
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:35,120
and seeing what the cost would be and

3567
03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:36,399
things like that, but it's very going to

3568
03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:38,640
be very interesting to see who's going

3569
03:26:38,640 --> 03:26:40,000
to be knocking on our door next and

3570
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:41,600
saying, "Well, you got a suitable water

3571
03:26:41,600 --> 03:26:44,800
supply here. We can do municipal um

3572
03:26:44,800 --> 03:26:47,840
sewage for you." and um off you go. And

3573
03:26:47,840 --> 03:26:50,319
we've we've quadrupled our population

3574
03:26:50,319 --> 03:26:52,640
and the town township uh in the next 10,

3575
03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:55,680
15, 20 years. I'm not sure if that's the

3576
03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:58,479
intent behind the proposal to do this.

3577
03:26:58,479 --> 03:27:00,239
Like I know we need to provide safe

3578
03:27:00,239 --> 03:27:01,680
clean drinking water, which we are doing

3579
03:27:01,680 --> 03:27:04,680
now. So adding an alternative water

3580
03:27:04,680 --> 03:27:07,680
source isn't going to provide cleaner

3581
03:27:07,680 --> 03:27:09,760
and safer drinking water. It's going to

3582
03:27:09,760 --> 03:27:12,239
provide the necessity for a developer to

3583
03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:14,319
come and say, "You've got capacity in

3584
03:27:14,319 --> 03:27:15,600
your system. We're going to we're going

3585
03:27:15,600 --> 03:27:17,040
to grow and we're going to intensify

3586
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:19,120
this township as much as we can. So

3587
03:27:19,120 --> 03:27:21,359
that's I'm worried with the implications

3588
03:27:21,359 --> 03:27:24,080
of how far this might lead us down a

3589
03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:26,800
path of no return. So that's a concern

3590
03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:29,520
that I do have. I'm okay with the like I

3591
03:27:29,520 --> 03:27:31,200
said the two other amendments of trying

3592
03:27:31,200 --> 03:27:36,160
to if we want strike the the um the date

3593
03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:37,680
out and put a different date for a staff

3594
03:27:37,680 --> 03:27:39,200
report if that's the case, if that's

3595
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:41,120
where we want to go. But as the motion

3596
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:43,200
stands right now, I can't support it for

3597
03:27:43,200 --> 03:27:44,760
that reason.

3598
03:27:44,760 --> 03:27:47,200
of it. There's almost three or four

3599
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:49,040
different asks within a single motion.

3600
03:27:49,040 --> 03:27:50,319
You know, if we were wanting to just

3601
03:27:50,319 --> 03:27:52,160
provide data to our residents, then we

3602
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:53,760
could do one motion. You know, that's

3603
03:27:53,760 --> 03:27:56,000
something that we're happy to do. Um but

3604
03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:58,239
then when you tie in, we want to explore

3605
03:27:58,239 --> 03:28:00,560
other options and then you want to tie

3606
03:28:00,560 --> 03:28:03,479
into that to explore

3607
03:28:03,479 --> 03:28:06,160
um how these things are reported to the

3608
03:28:06,160 --> 03:28:08,160
township. Like again, I don't want to

3609
03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:10,319
find fault with with a lot of this, but

3610
03:28:10,319 --> 03:28:12,720
if if we have a contaminant level, if we

3611
03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:15,040
have ecoli in our water system, I'm not

3612
03:28:15,040 --> 03:28:16,319
waiting 10 business days to get

3613
03:28:16,319 --> 03:28:18,000
notified. I'm notified the next day. We

3614
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:20,200
have a boil water advisory on everyone's

3615
03:28:20,200 --> 03:28:23,200
door. Like, this is how serious that is.

3616
03:28:23,200 --> 03:28:25,359
Aqua gets an adverse contaminant result

3617
03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:28,080
in the system and it's ecoli. Everyone

3618
03:28:28,080 --> 03:28:30,640
on that system is boiling their water.

3619
03:28:30,640 --> 03:28:33,600
Like, it is serious. So to say that

3620
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:35,920
we're going to have things posted out to

3621
03:28:35,920 --> 03:28:39,120
council 10 days like there's there's

3622
03:28:39,120 --> 03:28:41,279
legislation that already permits and

3623
03:28:41,279 --> 03:28:44,399
that restricts what you can do. And and

3624
03:28:44,399 --> 03:28:46,640
I'm I'm looking at our staff. That's

3625
03:28:46,640 --> 03:28:48,880
exactly what we do. We make sure that

3626
03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:52,359
everyone has safe, clean, potable water.

3627
03:28:52,359 --> 03:28:54,800
Um and I don't want to I don't want to

3628
03:28:54,800 --> 03:28:56,399
lose sight of that that this motion

3629
03:28:56,399 --> 03:28:58,720
doesn't do that. this. We have an

3630
03:28:58,720 --> 03:29:00,720
obligation to all our residents to make

3631
03:29:00,720 --> 03:29:02,800
sure that we do that regardless of

3632
03:29:02,800 --> 03:29:05,040
whether we post it online or not. We are

3633
03:29:05,040 --> 03:29:06,720
making sure that that water is drinkable

3634
03:29:06,720 --> 03:29:08,880
and safe for our community. So, I'll

3635
03:29:08,880 --> 03:29:10,319
leave those comments as they are there

3636
03:29:10,319 --> 03:29:12,640
for now. Um, as I said, as I can't

3637
03:29:12,640 --> 03:29:16,080
support the motion fully and this forum.

3638
03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:17,479
So, I do have

3639
03:29:17,479 --> 03:29:19,760
council and then I can go back around

3640
03:29:19,760 --> 03:29:21,840
the table if there's other comments or

3641
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:24,680
questions. You're the chair.

3642
03:29:24,680 --> 03:29:27,800
Um my issue is

3643
03:29:27,800 --> 03:29:33,640
uh is when these tests were over a

3644
03:29:33,640 --> 03:29:38,080
hundred was there additional uh were the

3645
03:29:38,080 --> 03:29:41,680
water manes swabbed within that period

3646
03:29:41,680 --> 03:29:44,720
because that would uh bring all the

3647
03:29:44,720 --> 03:29:47,600
organic matter up from the underside of

3648
03:29:47,600 --> 03:29:50,840
the mains and that would mix with the

3649
03:29:50,840 --> 03:29:54,920
chlorine therefore would increase your

3650
03:29:54,920 --> 03:29:57,359
thms. So, I mean, there's not enough

3651
03:29:57,359 --> 03:30:00,640
information here. Uh, if they're down at

3652
03:30:00,640 --> 03:30:03,399
50 now,

3653
03:30:03,399 --> 03:30:06,000
obviously, like this is the spring of

3654
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:09,040
the year. You would think that, uh, if

3655
03:30:09,040 --> 03:30:12,479
there's a lot of THM in the water, we

3656
03:30:12,479 --> 03:30:14,399
would be getting it now because of the

3657
03:30:14,399 --> 03:30:17,600
the flooding, right? But I'm thinking

3658
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:20,239
that maybe there's something to do with

3659
03:30:20,239 --> 03:30:22,880
Aqua should be should answer some

3660
03:30:22,880 --> 03:30:25,680
questions as to when these mains were

3661
03:30:25,680 --> 03:30:30,640
swabbed and things like that to verify

3662
03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:34,479
that these results are what they are.

3663
03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:37,439
Anyways, that's my opinion. Thank you.

3664
03:30:37,439 --> 03:30:39,840
Okay. Thanks. Did Chris, do you want to

3665
03:30:39,840 --> 03:30:41,359
offer any comment on that or I think

3666
03:30:41,359 --> 03:30:45,120
they're monitoring, right? So

3667
03:30:45,120 --> 03:30:47,520
uh through you Mr. Mayor uh correct they

3668
03:30:47,520 --> 03:30:49,720
are monitoring. They did did uh a

3669
03:30:49,720 --> 03:30:52,120
chlorine chlorination additional

3670
03:30:52,120 --> 03:30:55,600
chlorination. Um so as as noted we will

3671
03:30:55,600 --> 03:30:58,000
be putting up the corrective actions

3672
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:01,279
that uh they have done up on our website

3673
03:31:01,279 --> 03:31:04,080
and um and it would explain all of those

3674
03:31:04,080 --> 03:31:07,840
with regard to uh the well uh pump house

3675
03:31:07,840 --> 03:31:09,680
number one, number two and uh and number

3676
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:13,279
three within Lorettto Heights.

3677
03:31:13,279 --> 03:31:14,720
All right. So, I saw several hands

3678
03:31:14,720 --> 03:31:16,479
before and I believe I saw councelor

3679
03:31:16,479 --> 03:31:18,479
Simpson. You had a comment or question

3680
03:31:18,479 --> 03:31:21,750
again.

3681
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:23,200
That's what I'm looking at my list and

3682
03:31:23,200 --> 03:31:24,479
uh I was going to just kind of go around

3683
03:31:24,479 --> 03:31:26,239
in the same order unless councelor Cox

3684
03:31:26,239 --> 03:31:28,000
did you have any more questions or

3685
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:29,920
comments? Okay. So, councelor Simpson.

3686
03:31:29,920 --> 03:31:31,319
Okay.

3687
03:31:31,319 --> 03:31:36,399
Um so, I I will note um just as a

3688
03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:38,399
response to some of the items that you

3689
03:31:38,399 --> 03:31:42,399
had uh brought forward, Mayor. Um, you

3690
03:31:42,399 --> 03:31:45,520
know, there there was a fire. Um, I

3691
03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:48,000
think what residents want to know is how

3692
03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:51,600
did we fix that? And and and I think um

3693
03:31:51,600 --> 03:31:54,160
in terms of providing that notice,

3694
03:31:54,160 --> 03:31:56,640
that's what they're looking to us to do,

3695
03:31:56,640 --> 03:31:58,960
right? What did we do? How did we fix

3696
03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:00,319
it? How are we going to make sure that

3697
03:32:00,319 --> 03:32:04,000
this doesn't happen again? and and this

3698
03:32:04,000 --> 03:32:06,279
uh this notice of

3699
03:32:06,279 --> 03:32:09,439
motion shows what we did, how we fixed

3700
03:32:09,439 --> 03:32:11,680
it, and how we're looking to fix it in

3701
03:32:11,680 --> 03:32:13,600
the future and to prevent these kind of

3702
03:32:13,600 --> 03:32:16,239
incidences from happening. Um

3703
03:32:16,239 --> 03:32:18,319
especially, you know, Aqua had an

3704
03:32:18,319 --> 03:32:20,479
obligation to provide council with those

3705
03:32:20,479 --> 03:32:23,520
updates. I know we get those updates um

3706
03:32:23,520 --> 03:32:25,279
periodically when there are issues that

3707
03:32:25,279 --> 03:32:28,000
are identified. Here's an issue that was

3708
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:29,840
identified, but we never got notice of

3709
03:32:29,840 --> 03:32:32,160
it. and and the hope is that if we're

3710
03:32:32,160 --> 03:32:34,960
putting forward these quarterly reports

3711
03:32:34,960 --> 03:32:38,319
um that we're notified and and so are

3712
03:32:38,319 --> 03:32:40,560
residents, right? The more eyes on a

3713
03:32:40,560 --> 03:32:43,920
situation or on any potentiality

3714
03:32:43,920 --> 03:32:46,479
um we can address it in in a more

3715
03:32:46,479 --> 03:32:49,200
proactive manner. So, so that's that's

3716
03:32:49,200 --> 03:32:52,800
what the hope is um with with the notice

3717
03:32:52,800 --> 03:32:55,760
um you know and I and I respect your

3718
03:32:55,760 --> 03:32:57,760
point on you know maybe not everybody

3719
03:32:57,760 --> 03:33:01,040
needs to get a a notice um for all the

3720
03:33:01,040 --> 03:33:02,880
drinking systems but but certainly I

3721
03:33:02,880 --> 03:33:05,840
think if the notice identifies that hey

3722
03:33:05,840 --> 03:33:08,880
it was in the WA system uh that this

3723
03:33:08,880 --> 03:33:10,960
issue occurred I think residents are

3724
03:33:10,960 --> 03:33:14,239
going to be um understanding of that I

3725
03:33:14,239 --> 03:33:15,600
don't think anybody's going to be

3726
03:33:15,600 --> 03:33:20,960
alarmed um undo July um with regard to

3727
03:33:20,960 --> 03:33:23,040
the contaminant levels and and you did

3728
03:33:23,040 --> 03:33:25,920
mention um the boil water advisory and

3729
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:28,160
things like that. Um I think the intent

3730
03:33:28,160 --> 03:33:30,520
of the the motion is that this is a

3731
03:33:30,520 --> 03:33:34,080
floor. Um legislation already takes

3732
03:33:34,080 --> 03:33:37,040
precedence when it comes to other issues

3733
03:33:37,040 --> 03:33:40,239
and other exceeded. So I I don't think

3734
03:33:40,239 --> 03:33:42,399
that that's you know the intent of this

3735
03:33:42,399 --> 03:33:44,960
is this is just putting a floor um

3736
03:33:44,960 --> 03:33:47,000
especially with regard to

3737
03:33:47,000 --> 03:33:50,720
thms. Um with regard as the secondary I

3738
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:53,040
guess I I I would note that um I'm okay

3739
03:33:53,040 --> 03:33:55,279
with changing the date from August to

3740
03:33:55,279 --> 03:33:58,319
October um or September um as the case

3741
03:33:58,319 --> 03:34:00,640
may be. Um I will note that there is a

3742
03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:03,359
need to understand what the costs are um

3743
03:34:03,359 --> 03:34:06,960
with connections. um these doing these

3744
03:34:06,960 --> 03:34:09,439
studies at this time doesn't obligate us

3745
03:34:09,439 --> 03:34:12,800
or force our hand in terms of connecting

3746
03:34:12,800 --> 03:34:15,920
to any one of these systems or anything

3747
03:34:15,920 --> 03:34:18,239
of that sort. It just gives council an

3748
03:34:18,239 --> 03:34:20,479
idea of what are the costs involved,

3749
03:34:20,479 --> 03:34:23,200
right? Um we are seeing significant

3750
03:34:23,200 --> 03:34:25,840
growth in Everett um coming forward with

3751
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:28,960
2,000 homes and according to the reports

3752
03:34:28,960 --> 03:34:31,000
and the populations um that are

3753
03:34:31,000 --> 03:34:34,080
anticipated I believe it's about 6,000

3754
03:34:34,080 --> 03:34:36,760
to 8,000 people. That's what council has

3755
03:34:36,760 --> 03:34:40,800
seen for the additional 2,000 homes. So

3756
03:34:40,800 --> 03:34:43,040
with those kind of developments coming

3757
03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:45,080
in place in our

3758
03:34:45,080 --> 03:34:47,439
municipality, we have an opportunity

3759
03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:50,160
right now where if we identify, hey,

3760
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:52,960
what is that cost to have this, you

3761
03:34:52,960 --> 03:34:55,120
know, connect to that pipeline and if

3762
03:34:55,120 --> 03:34:57,279
that's going to provide safe drinking

3763
03:34:57,279 --> 03:35:00,960
water, well, what is that cost? And that

3764
03:35:00,960 --> 03:35:02,479
cost doesn't necessarily need to be

3765
03:35:02,479 --> 03:35:05,040
borne by the municipality. But there's

3766
03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:07,760
an opportunity that that cost can be

3767
03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:09,279
passed along to the developer because

3768
03:35:09,279 --> 03:35:11,760
the developer is the one that's

3769
03:35:11,760 --> 03:35:13,520
necessitating

3770
03:35:13,520 --> 03:35:16,319
uh this increase in the level of service

3771
03:35:16,319 --> 03:35:19,600
that our municipality is providing. So

3772
03:35:19,600 --> 03:35:22,439
if we can pass those costs along to the

3773
03:35:22,439 --> 03:35:26,399
developer, why shouldn't we, right?

3774
03:35:26,399 --> 03:35:29,200
Should we? And this is where the

3775
03:35:29,200 --> 03:35:31,760
argument comes in that you know we we

3776
03:35:31,760 --> 03:35:37,070
shouldn't work in in in a silo. We

3777
03:35:37,080 --> 03:35:39,520
work based on only what we see in front

3778
03:35:39,520 --> 03:35:41,439
of us. I think council also needs to

3779
03:35:41,439 --> 03:35:43,120
look forward at what are the

3780
03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:44,960
opportunities that that we can take

3781
03:35:44,960 --> 03:35:48,080
advantage of to avoid those costs on our

3782
03:35:48,080 --> 03:35:51,200
residents. Um so so for those reasons I

3783
03:35:51,200 --> 03:35:54,000
I I think I I would support it except

3784
03:35:54,000 --> 03:35:56,720
for changing that date to September or

3785
03:35:56,720 --> 03:36:02,880
October. Thank you. Yeah. Metals.

3786
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:05,359
Yeah. Uh this is where I have I have a

3787
03:36:05,359 --> 03:36:07,520
bit of an issue and it's with the number

3788
03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:12,520
one when uh Aqua came came here uh

3789
03:36:12,520 --> 03:36:15,880
they stated that they drilled a new

3790
03:36:15,880 --> 03:36:19,279
well. Okay.

3791
03:36:19,279 --> 03:36:24,200
Three wells are feeding the water

3792
03:36:24,200 --> 03:36:28,670
supply. Three

3793
03:36:28,680 --> 03:36:31,000
wells. One might be

3794
03:36:31,000 --> 03:36:33,920
bad, two might be bad, the third one

3795
03:36:33,920 --> 03:36:37,640
might be okay. So, you're getting an

3796
03:36:37,640 --> 03:36:40,880
average out of three wells. I'd like to

3797
03:36:40,880 --> 03:36:42,399
know what what's going on with these

3798
03:36:42,399 --> 03:36:45,910
three wells.

3799
03:36:45,920 --> 03:36:48,319
That's that's where the one issue is.

3800
03:36:48,319 --> 03:36:50,760
The other issue is with

3801
03:36:50,760 --> 03:36:54,680
averages like we saw uh from the

3802
03:36:54,680 --> 03:37:02,359
report uh one month in April had 120

3803
03:37:02,359 --> 03:37:06,560
UGL's. The other one had 13 I believe

3804
03:37:06,560 --> 03:37:08,600
then the other one had a

3805
03:37:08,600 --> 03:37:12,319
89. So that's why the average dropped.

3806
03:37:12,319 --> 03:37:14,520
I don't like using

3807
03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:17,720
averages. Averages can skew the

3808
03:37:17,720 --> 03:37:20,080
results. Shows that you have a problem

3809
03:37:20,080 --> 03:37:22,239
during a certain month and we can't

3810
03:37:22,239 --> 03:37:24,080
pinpoint it because we got to ask the

3811
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:26,680
question why. Why is it

3812
03:37:26,680 --> 03:37:30,000
happening? So, there's all sorts of

3813
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:32,640
issues around the way we're we're doing

3814
03:37:32,640 --> 03:37:34,640
this and getting and getting the

3815
03:37:34,640 --> 03:37:36,600
information. And I I

3816
03:37:36,600 --> 03:37:40,800
I believe there could be a problem.

3817
03:37:40,800 --> 03:37:43,120
there might not be a problem, but to

3818
03:37:43,120 --> 03:37:46,239
have the opportunity to source another

3819
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:48,880
water supply if there is a problem

3820
03:37:48,880 --> 03:37:50,800
knowing the cost is going to benefit us

3821
03:37:50,800 --> 03:37:52,600
in the

3822
03:37:52,600 --> 03:37:54,960
end. And that's that's one of the

3823
03:37:54,960 --> 03:37:57,279
reasons why I wanted to look for a new

3824
03:37:57,279 --> 03:37:59,040
water supply when I put my motion

3825
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:02,080
forward was just to know what the costs

3826
03:38:02,080 --> 03:38:04,560
are going to be. It wasn't to hook up or

3827
03:38:04,560 --> 03:38:06,960
to to build or anything like that. It

3828
03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:10,000
was if there's an emergency, what's it

3829
03:38:10,000 --> 03:38:13,120
going to be? We have to be proactive in

3830
03:38:13,120 --> 03:38:15,200
these matters. We can't sit back and

3831
03:38:15,200 --> 03:38:18,160
wait for an accident to happen or a

3832
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:19,640
system to

3833
03:38:19,640 --> 03:38:23,359
fail for us to jump on the bandwagon at

3834
03:38:23,359 --> 03:38:24,960
last minute and we're making lastm

3835
03:38:24,960 --> 03:38:26,960
minute decisions. That's not the way

3836
03:38:26,960 --> 03:38:28,560
we're supposed to be doing business on

3837
03:38:28,560 --> 03:38:29,960
this

3838
03:38:29,960 --> 03:38:32,080
council. We're talking about all these

3839
03:38:32,080 --> 03:38:36,080
reserves we have like people. I mean,

3840
03:38:36,080 --> 03:38:38,720
this is people's welfare, and that's

3841
03:38:38,720 --> 03:38:40,479
more important to me than anything

3842
03:38:40,479 --> 03:38:42,520
sitting on this council is is their

3843
03:38:42,520 --> 03:38:45,960
welfare. There's nothing here I would

3844
03:38:45,960 --> 03:38:48,560
change except maybe the date because

3845
03:38:48,560 --> 03:38:51,120
there's no way we can the way it sits

3846
03:38:51,120 --> 03:38:53,439
right now. It's unrealistic for the the

3847
03:38:53,439 --> 03:38:56,439
staff to bring that forward as a

3848
03:38:56,439 --> 03:38:59,439
report, but the rest of it I have no

3849
03:38:59,439 --> 03:39:03,070
problem with.

3850
03:39:03,080 --> 03:39:07,279
Thanks. Uh, councelor Borzos.

3851
03:39:07,279 --> 03:39:08,479
Thank you, mayor. Thank you through the

3852
03:39:08,479 --> 03:39:10,960
chair to the council. I I just wanted to

3853
03:39:10,960 --> 03:39:13,239
sort of reflect on your comments

3854
03:39:13,239 --> 03:39:16,160
regarding several different items rolled

3855
03:39:16,160 --> 03:39:18,160
into one motion. I don't believe that

3856
03:39:18,160 --> 03:39:19,920
for a moment this is all stemming from

3857
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:23,040
the same problem and so therefore it one

3858
03:39:23,040 --> 03:39:25,359
builds on another. So I don't I can't

3859
03:39:25,359 --> 03:39:28,000
see this separating uh one thing from

3860
03:39:28,000 --> 03:39:31,479
another. Um with respect to the

3861
03:39:31,479 --> 03:39:34,880
other or final part in the with the um

3862
03:39:34,880 --> 03:39:36,680
what do you call

3863
03:39:36,680 --> 03:39:41,120
this the alternative water source like

3864
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:43,279
councelor Simpson pointed it out just

3865
03:39:43,279 --> 03:39:44,560
because we have the report just because

3866
03:39:44,560 --> 03:39:46,000
we have the information that doesn't

3867
03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:47,760
necessarily doesn't necessarily mean

3868
03:39:47,760 --> 03:39:50,399
that we have to actually expose that to

3869
03:39:50,399 --> 03:39:52,319
any kind of developer or tell them hey

3870
03:39:52,319 --> 03:39:54,000
come on over we got like extra five

3871
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:56,319
billion gallons of water for you. We

3872
03:39:56,319 --> 03:39:57,920
don't have to do that. we do we just

3873
03:39:57,920 --> 03:39:59,040
come back to council on a public

3874
03:39:59,040 --> 03:40:00,800
meeting. So that's what I'm that's my

3875
03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:02,640
that's my fear.

3876
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:05,040
If they do then do I mean I'm sure

3877
03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:07,200
there's there are ways ways around it to

3878
03:40:07,200 --> 03:40:09,840
to to figure out a proper next step but

3879
03:40:09,840 --> 03:40:11,680
this is simply for information just to

3880
03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:14,800
have an alternative because take Everett

3881
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:17,200
for example I mean we have the aquifer

3882
03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:19,040
there how many more wells can they drill

3883
03:40:19,040 --> 03:40:22,399
into the same aquifer to get that water

3884
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:26,640
anyhow uh I think I I respect your point

3885
03:40:26,640 --> 03:40:28,560
regarding the dates and the council's

3886
03:40:28,560 --> 03:40:30,479
comments regarding the dates so October

3887
03:40:30,479 --> 03:40:32,960
31st is perfectly ally agreeable to me

3888
03:40:32,960 --> 03:40:35,319
and also uh just to

3889
03:40:35,319 --> 03:40:38,479
u sort of un with the understanding of

3890
03:40:38,479 --> 03:40:40,720
who needs to be notified perhaps the

3891
03:40:40,720 --> 03:40:44,399
section that uh deals with the uh uh

3892
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:46,880
information being provided to the uh

3893
03:40:46,880 --> 03:40:49,040
residents with the water bills at the

3894
03:40:49,040 --> 03:40:51,680
end we can perhaps uh put in there that

3895
03:40:51,680 --> 03:40:55,120
July 2025 water bills for all residents

3896
03:40:55,120 --> 03:40:56,680
on the WCO

3897
03:40:56,680 --> 03:40:59,279
system and so if that is possible I

3898
03:40:59,279 --> 03:41:01,279
don't know I have to look to staff to

3899
03:41:01,279 --> 03:41:03,439
find out if this is even possible to

3900
03:41:03,439 --> 03:41:06,239
separate wack like Lorettto residents or

3901
03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:08,640
how much of a work it is to separate the

3902
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:11,439
residents in Lorettto and just in insert

3903
03:41:11,439 --> 03:41:13,920
the uh notices in their water bills as

3904
03:41:13,920 --> 03:41:16,359
opposed to the entire township water

3905
03:41:16,359 --> 03:41:19,200
users but I would be open to uh to

3906
03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:22,479
change that to uh to just Lorettto

3907
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:24,600
residents

3908
03:41:24,600 --> 03:41:27,760
if and that's all the comments I have.

3909
03:41:27,760 --> 03:41:29,439
Thank you for anybody and everybody who

3910
03:41:29,439 --> 03:41:32,479
commented on it. Good or bad? Well, I'll

3911
03:41:32,479 --> 03:41:34,479
go to the treasurer then on the water

3912
03:41:34,479 --> 03:41:36,000
bills as to whether or not we could

3913
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:40,560
separate just the rental uh system for

3914
03:41:40,560 --> 03:41:42,550
notification

3915
03:41:42,550 --> 03:41:44,319
[Music]

3916
03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:46,960
through the chair uh to council. Yes,

3917
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:49,600
staff have the ability to uh have the

3918
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:52,800
inserts for water bills for certain just

3919
03:41:52,800 --> 03:41:55,439
for Kan or Weta

3920
03:41:55,439 --> 03:41:57,520
just like we would do for a boiled order

3921
03:41:57,520 --> 03:42:02,630
boiled water.

3922
03:42:02,640 --> 03:42:04,080
So that'd be up to you whether you want

3923
03:42:04,080 --> 03:42:05,760
to look at changing that. I would like

3924
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:09,239
to. Yes.

3925
03:42:09,239 --> 03:42:11,840
Okay. Um so I haven't taken the

3926
03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:13,600
secondary yet on that. So if you're if

3927
03:42:13,600 --> 03:42:16,479
you'd like to change that on the fly, we

3928
03:42:16,479 --> 03:42:20,960
can do that. So it'd be just to force to

3929
03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:24,000
be included in the uh July 2025 water

3930
03:42:24,000 --> 03:42:28,080
bills for Lorettto or WA users or

3931
03:42:28,080 --> 03:42:31,239
Loretta. It's the same system. Yeah. So,

3932
03:42:31,239 --> 03:42:34,080
whichever verbage you prefer. And then

3933
03:42:34,080 --> 03:42:36,160
the date for the uh final report from

3934
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:42,070
August 31st to October 31st. October.

3935
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:46,880
Sorry. Um I just wanted to identify um

3936
03:42:46,880 --> 03:42:49,359
when this notice goes out, I think it's

3937
03:42:49,359 --> 03:42:51,520
important that the notice also says,

3938
03:42:51,520 --> 03:42:53,520
hey, look, this is what we've done to

3939
03:42:53,520 --> 03:42:57,359
fix it. And um so I I think it's okay

3940
03:42:57,359 --> 03:43:00,800
for that notice to go to everybody just

3941
03:43:00,800 --> 03:43:02,800
identifying that the issue was in the

3942
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:05,920
Wacka system in Lorettto, right? Um but

3943
03:43:05,920 --> 03:43:08,479
also that it says, "Hey, look, you guys

3944
03:43:08,479 --> 03:43:11,520
can go here to find more information,

3945
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:13,120
right? Because we're going to be putting

3946
03:43:13,120 --> 03:43:16,960
it online." So, uh, that provides the

3947
03:43:16,960 --> 03:43:19,279
notice to residents, um, in terms of

3948
03:43:19,279 --> 03:43:22,560
what they can do to to be aware of, you

3949
03:43:22,560 --> 03:43:24,319
know, forgive the conversation. I don't

3950
03:43:24,319 --> 03:43:26,000
disagree with you, but I think in this

3951
03:43:26,000 --> 03:43:28,640
particular case, maybe a soft delivery

3952
03:43:28,640 --> 03:43:31,279
to non Lorettto residents might be a

3953
03:43:31,279 --> 03:43:34,560
better idea as opposed to put just Okay.

3954
03:43:34,560 --> 03:43:36,960
Is there a motion? I I do see the

3955
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:39,040
mayor's point on the possible confusion.

3956
03:43:39,040 --> 03:43:42,239
I just Yeah. Well, and without seeing

3957
03:43:42,239 --> 03:43:43,840
like I know staff are going to draft up

3958
03:43:43,840 --> 03:43:46,239
this notice if if if approved tonight.

3959
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:48,080
So, it very well is going to be fairly

3960
03:43:48,080 --> 03:43:50,239
clear that this is not an ongoing s

3961
03:43:50,239 --> 03:43:52,720
issue in all all of our systems, but

3962
03:43:52,720 --> 03:43:55,279
there is a chance for confusion and I

3963
03:43:55,279 --> 03:43:56,960
think that's where the issue where it

3964
03:43:56,960 --> 03:44:00,000
lies with me and so I I'm okay. So, I

3965
03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:02,960
appreciate that. So, we're make so we're

3966
03:44:02,960 --> 03:44:04,479
make that change, madam clerk. So it

3967
03:44:04,479 --> 03:44:06,600
just be that

3968
03:44:06,600 --> 03:44:10,160
um be included in the July 2025 water

3969
03:44:10,160 --> 03:44:11,560
bills for

3970
03:44:11,560 --> 03:44:13,760
Lorettto and then you were comfortable

3971
03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:15,600
with the change of the date at the staff

3972
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:17,840
report come back no later than October

3973
03:44:17,840 --> 03:44:22,880
31st 2025. Yes, I would be okay.

3974
03:44:22,880 --> 03:44:24,720
And they very well it's no later. So

3975
03:44:24,720 --> 03:44:26,080
they could bring it back in September if

3976
03:44:26,080 --> 03:44:30,399
they if they have it. Yes.

3977
03:44:30,399 --> 03:44:31,840
Okay. So you're you're comfortable with

3978
03:44:31,840 --> 03:44:33,840
that, Councelor Borzos? Okay. So,

3979
03:44:33,840 --> 03:44:35,840
Councelor Simpson, are you still

3980
03:44:35,840 --> 03:44:37,279
comfortable in seconding that motion?

3981
03:44:37,279 --> 03:44:40,040
Yes, I am.

3982
03:44:40,040 --> 03:44:42,160
Okay. All right. We've had thorough

3983
03:44:42,160 --> 03:44:43,359
discussion on it, unless there's any

3984
03:44:43,359 --> 03:44:46,000
other initial comment or other comments

3985
03:44:46,000 --> 03:44:48,040
or

3986
03:44:48,040 --> 03:44:50,960
questions. Okay. All right. So, I'm

3987
03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:52,640
prepared to call the question then. So

3988
03:44:52,640 --> 03:44:53,880
all those in

3989
03:44:53,880 --> 03:45:02,110
favor and that is

3990
03:45:02,120 --> 03:45:04,080
carried. All right. Were there any other

3991
03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:06,120
notices motions that were presented

3992
03:45:06,120 --> 03:45:10,399
tonight? See none. So item 18 is new

3993
03:45:10,399 --> 03:45:12,720
business. We have none. And 19 is the

3994
03:45:12,720 --> 03:45:16,840
confirmation bylaw. So that bylaw

3995
03:45:16,840 --> 03:45:19,120
2025036 being a bylaw to confirm the

3996
03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:20,239
proceedings of the council of the

3997
03:45:20,239 --> 03:45:22,160
township of agata rantio at its regular

3998
03:45:22,160 --> 03:45:24,600
council meeting held on May 14th 2020

3999
03:45:24,600 --> 03:45:28,120
2025 being acted. We have a mover

4000
03:45:28,120 --> 03:45:30,880
please councelor Cox and I will second

4001
03:45:30,880 --> 03:45:32,520
that motion

4002
03:45:32,520 --> 03:45:35,840
tonight. All those in favor and that is

4003
03:45:35,840 --> 03:45:39,520
carried and we are adjourned at 9:17

4004
03:45:39,520 --> 03:45:41,600
p.m. Thank you council. Enjoy the long

4005
03:45:41,600 --> 03:45:43,920
weekend.