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You ready, Steve?
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>> I am
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» I am
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ready.
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>> Okay. I will call the August 18th, 2026
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» Okay. I will call the August 18th, 2026
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meeting of the Newtown Township Board of
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Supervisors to order. I will note that
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we did not meet in executive session, so
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I'll ask Mr. Nace to please call the
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roll.
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>> Yes. Mr. Altieri.
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» Yes. Mr. Altieri.
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>> Here.
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» Here.
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>> Mr. Sanfilippo.
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» Mr. Sanfilippo.
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>> Here.
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» Here.
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>> Ms. Chandless.
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» Ms. Chandless.
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>> Here.
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» Here.
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>> Ms. Grasso.
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» Ms. Grasso.
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>> Here.
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» Here.
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>> Mr. Mr. Russo.
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» Mr. Mr. Russo.
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>> Here.
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» Here.
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>> Your solicitor and manager here.
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» Your solicitor and manager here.
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>> Thank you very much. We will now move on
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» Thank you very much. We will now move on
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to section five, which is the moment of
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silence.
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And we'll stand for the pledge.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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United States of America.
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>> States of America, to the republic for
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» States of America, to the republic for
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which it stands, one nation under God,
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indivisible, with liberty and justice
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for
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» We'll move down to section five, 5.1.
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Can I get a motion to approve the agenda
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as presented?
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>> So moved.
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» So moved.
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>> Second.
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» Second.
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>> Motion's made by Supervisor Russo,
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» Motion's made by Supervisor Russo,
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seconded by Supervisor Sanfilippo. Is
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there any board discussion?
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Seeing none, all those in favor signify
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by saying I.
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>> I.
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» I.
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>> I.
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» I.
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>> All those opposed. Motion carries.
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» All those opposed. Motion carries.
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Section six, public comment for agenda
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items only. If there's any members of
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the public that are residents or
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taxpayers, please come to the podium,
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state your name and address for the
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record, and please note that you have
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three minutes per speaker.
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» No one's coming forward.
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>> All right, perfect. We'll now move down
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» All right, perfect. We'll now move down
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to section seven, new business, 7.1.
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Uh, I guess we'll we'll put this on the
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table first. Um, 7.1 is Can I get a
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motion adopting the ordinance
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authorizing the incurrence of lease
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rental debt to secure repayment of the
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guaranteed sewer revenue notes, 2026
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series to be issued to the Newtown
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Township Municipal Authority and award
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and execute related agreements and
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documents.
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Let's get the motion made and then we
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can turn it to discussion and they can
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do their presentation, I guess.
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>> So moved.
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» So moved.
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>> Okay. Is there a second?
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» Second.
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>> Motion is made by supervisor Grosso,
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» Motion is made by supervisor Grosso,
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seconded by supervisor Chandler.
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I don't know who's there from the
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Municipal Authority, but if they want to
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do they want to explain what's going on
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here?
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>> Uh yeah, Steve uh
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» Uh yeah, Steve uh
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Mackel is Steve, I think you're going to
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need
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to come and speak over here even though
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uh and be at the No, I think you're
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going to have to be actually over here
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uh because uh the they're not picking up
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Well, they were hearing me on the
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system, but I don't know all of a sudden
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they're not. So, if you could do that,
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please.
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>> Okay. Uh thank you. Steve Mackel, vice
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» Okay. Uh thank you. Steve Mackel, vice
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chair of the Newtown Township Municipal
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Authority. Um
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we've uh
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done a lot of work to um look at
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proposals for refinancing the bonds uh
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that are uh from 2018.
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And um we have uh
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selected Delaware Valley Refinance
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Authority to uh move forward with the
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bond uh
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refinancing.
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Um if there's any questions, I know you
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have the materials.
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Um
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we can And Lucian Calhoun is here from
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DVRFA as well and can answer any
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specifics.
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» Well, I mean, I don't really know how
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much details we've kind of been left out
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in the dark on a lot of this. Um so,
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we've had to do our own independent
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analysis uh even though we requested one
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to be conducted. So, I don't know if
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Lucian wants to give an overview. I
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understand that we're already securing
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this debt and it's your debt. Um but I I
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think that there are at least I have
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some questions, so I don't know who's
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the proper person to kind of explain
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this from uh, a high-level so that at
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least I can have some comfort, uh,
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especially given the situation that we
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find ourselves in with the economy, uh,
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whether this is the proper time to move
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forward, even understanding that we have
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that lock-in uh, that is being discussed
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or being offered by Del Val. So,
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whoever wants to start explaining to why
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we should be backing this $30 million
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debt, uh, I think it's probably a good
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start.
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» I'll go.
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>> Can you all hear me?
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» Yes.
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>> Yes. Oh, okay.
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All right. Well,
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those
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that aren't familiar with Del Val, you
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know, we were finance authority created
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by four counties in 1985,
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and since then we've originated more
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than 460
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loans to more than 215
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different local government units
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in 16 counties of the Commonwealth.
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Um, you know,
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for the life of the authority, we've
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uh,
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been a very economic,
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uh,
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means of doing financings, and and
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that's the case, uh, you know, for the
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municipal authority.
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Uh,
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the
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loans that we provide, you know, with a
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22-year maturity, such as it would be
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required for the municipal authority,
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uh, typically average about 50 basis
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points lower in all-in true interest
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cost
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than, uh, a comparable bond issue.
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And I know that, uh, you know, this is a
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big financing, and then we're certainly
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uh, pleased that the supervisors and the
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directors of the municipal authority of
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elected to proceed with this and
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once you'd be comfortable that it's a
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good decision. Our competition just
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closed a transaction
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for a school district
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in the Poconos a $35 million transaction
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that's comparable
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pardon me to the municipal authority
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financing if the district had used
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DelVal they would have saved
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$2.65 million
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in debt service cost over the life of
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the financing.
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The cost of issuance of that financing
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were
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about two and a half times you know the
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cost of issuance that this DelVal loan
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would require.
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A bond issue would require
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the funding of a debt service reserve
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fund which DelVal loan does not require.
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That reduces the amount that needs to be
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financed by almost $3 million.
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So the
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confident and comfortable that you know
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the decision that's been made will
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result in the greatest possible savings
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to the authority under the current
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market conditions.
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The guarantee
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that the township would execute
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constitutes lease rental debt
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under the local government unit debt act
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and
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the enactment of this ordinance
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authorizes the execution of that
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guarantee agreement and the incurrence
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of the lease rental debt.
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It
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the ordinance approves
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the refunding of the 2018 bonds
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approves
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the municipal authority's selection of
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DelVal
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and approves the
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cost of issuance that DelVal would
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assess on this
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transaction, the the cost of issuance
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would be $146,500.
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And which again is
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um about 40% or less of the comparable
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cost of issuance for a bond issue.
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Uh it pledges
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the full faith, credit, and taxing power
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of the township in the event of the
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deficiency
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of uh
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the sewer revenues generated by the
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municipal authority to make the debt
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service payments.
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Um but you know, that guarantee again
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only kicks in if there is a deficiency.
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And there's no expectation that there
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will be a deficiency.
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The maximum possible payment um
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um the lease rental
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uh debt that's being incurred
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is uh I don't exactly have the number
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memorized, but it's $5,175,000
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uh
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range, but that that's the theoretical
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maximum
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payment at a 15% interest rate.
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And obviously, that interest rate will
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be fixed at substantially lower rate. We
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expect it to be
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fixed in the 4.3 to 4.35%
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range.
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Um you know, depending on what
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the market volatility is tomorrow.
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>> [clears throat]
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» [clears throat]
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>> But the
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» But the
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um you know, again, the guarantee is
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only becomes an issue for the township
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in the event that there is a deficiency.
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Uh the loan to the municipal authority
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is exactly like the three loans that the
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township currently has with the Delaware
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Valley Regional Finance Authority.
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Uh the provisions are exactly the same
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as as is the case with the three
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existing loans.
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Uh Uh, the township has
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three loans with DelVal aggregating a
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little around $9 million.
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So,
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and I believe the interest rates range
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from 1. 2%
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to Yeah, I think that I think the higher
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higher rate is is some
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confidence. I think one of the loans may
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be around 3%, but the others are
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you know, in the 1 and 2% range.
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So, the the same benefits that the
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township has enjoyed uh, will be enjoyed
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by the municipal authority.
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» Perfect. And those three loans, I mean,
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those are substantially less than what
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this is
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uh,
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potentially incurring, correct? Aren't
[10:22]
those three loans kind of like an apples
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to oranges comparison, you'd say, with
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regards to the total amount we're
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talking about?
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>> Um, well, the provisions are the same
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» Um, well, the provisions are the same
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and with DelVal, that you know, the loan
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rate's the same for small loans, big
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loans.
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Um, you know, we've done large
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transactions for the Bucks County Water
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and Sewer Authority, $50 million.
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And we've done
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$50 million and up transactions for
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Chester County,
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uh,
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Delaware County, Bucks County.
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Um,
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but
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you know, the the size of the loan is
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yeah, doesn't affect the loan rate or
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the provisions of the loan.
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>> and my concern necessarily is whether
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» and my concern necessarily is whether
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you guys are a qualified shop. I don't
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think that was ever called into the
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question, at least by me. Um, I just
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have questions on one, I thought the
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process was handled in in a very um,
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interesting way where we were kind of
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boxed out the entire time. There was no
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discussion until
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we were kind of forced to make moves and
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then
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we're being told that by us slowing
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down, we were incurring additional
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costs, which I think is just a
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ridiculous sort of proposition to put us
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in, which doesn't necessarily, I guess,
[11:27]
involve you.
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Um, let me ask this question. With
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regards to and this is
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you know, to just just the I guess the
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last question I have is,
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you know, understanding that we're going
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to be locking this in and the interest
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rate will be lower than that of a bond.
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I understand that. Uh and let's say the
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the interest rates go lower after we
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lock in, we're getting an option to I
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guess lock that in
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one more time over the the span of of
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this bond lifetime, or at least for the
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next 10 years, excuse me.
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I guess the question that I would ask
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is, what's the rush of doing it now?
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Right? It's not like
[12:03]
interest rates are obviously high. We
[12:05]
know what it is. Like is this truly, you
[12:07]
know, and I guess this isn't really a
[12:09]
question for us to answer,
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but I'm I'm curious.
[12:13]
Why would we be rushing into this now,
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or the municipal authority be rushing
[12:16]
into this now as opposed to waiting to
[12:18]
see where the economy is
[12:20]
in a year or 2 years? Is it just because
[12:22]
we started this process and we don't
[12:24]
want to
[12:25]
backtrack a little bit?
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And that might be a question for Steve.
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I don't want to be unfair to either of
[12:30]
you, but I'm I'm just curious if, you
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know, why we're we're going to be moving
[12:34]
forward if we have so much uncertainty
[12:36]
with the economy right now.
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>> So I'll I'll I'll answer it.
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» So I'll I'll I'll answer it.
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>> Can you slide up just a
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» Can you slide up just a
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>> Okay. In December of '25, we began the
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» Okay. In December of '25, we began the
[12:46]
process of this. Uh a engagement letter
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was supposed to be executed and
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was approved to be executed and sent to
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Stifel, I believe. And
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on July 1st, we were told that they have
[13:03]
not received that. It was never sent by
[13:04]
the township, which we didn't know until
[13:07]
that point. On June 9th, uh we had a
[13:10]
meeting with uh
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DVRFA to discuss this and come up with a
[13:15]
proposal. Uh
[13:18]
Stifel was not able to move forward
[13:20]
until they had that letter of engagement
[13:22]
in hands. Uh unbeknownst to us, they
[13:25]
didn't have it. And uh we were on the
[13:28]
track to do that while the audits were
[13:30]
getting done, which were needed as part
[13:32]
of this. And
[13:34]
um
[13:35]
so June 9th, we began a conversation
[13:38]
with DVRFA. Um and June uh I can get my
[13:42]
notes, but uh there amongst in June up
[13:45]
July 1st was when we were told that uh
[13:48]
Stifel did receive the letter and could
[13:51]
come up with a proposal. In evaluating
[13:53]
those two proposals, the uh
[13:55]
restructuring of the debt was um
[13:58]
first available to be uh refinanced in
[14:02]
dece- in September of this year, and we
[14:04]
were tracking towards that since our
[14:07]
December meeting. And
[14:09]
uh when in getting proposals from DVRFA
[14:12]
and a competing proposal from Stifel, it
[14:14]
was um
[14:16]
decided upon the Municipal Authority
[14:18]
Board that we were comfortable with that
[14:20]
savings, uh with the origination savings
[14:23]
as well as the overall savings
[14:25]
in uh the the debt refinancing.
[14:30]
» Oh. No, see if I understand the
[14:32]
timeline, I appreciate that. And I think
[14:34]
it's helpful. I I guess and maybe I
[14:35]
phrase it uh incorrectly, is given that
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we've moved forward and the Municipal
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Authority's moved forward um with this
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and then seeing the uncertainty in the
[14:45]
bond market and the volatility of the
[14:47]
economy right now as it relates to
[14:49]
interest rates, I guess my question is
[14:51]
is the Municipal Authority clearly is
[14:53]
still comfortable moving forward as
[14:55]
opposed to maybe waiting a year or two
[14:57]
years to see where we are. Is that I
[14:59]
mean, clearly that's the answer, I
[15:01]
guess. And I guess I just want to make
[15:02]
sure that we're comfortable with that as
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well because if there's a potential that
[15:05]
we're saving more money next year
[15:07]
because the interest rates go down, and
[15:09]
I get it, it's a potential. We don't
[15:11]
know whether they're going to go down,
[15:11]
we don't know whether they go up, but I
[15:13]
don't want to see us lock in and then
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only have one more bite of the apple
[15:16]
over the next x amount of time over that
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term.
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>> Uh that's correct. We decided to move
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» Uh that's correct. We decided to move
[15:22]
forward with September as our date to
[15:24]
refinance, knowing that we could save
[15:26]
$1.2 million plus the origination cost
[15:29]
savings.
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» But that basis could also that savings
[15:34]
could go up if the interest rates go
[15:36]
down even more.
[15:36]
>> It could, but we don't have a, you know,
[15:37]
» It could, but we don't have a, you know,
[15:37]
a crystal ball to say what those rates
[15:40]
will be a year from now, 3 months from
[15:42]
now, but it does cost substantial money
[15:45]
monthly that we're losing right now if
[15:47]
we decide in July, August, September to
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do that.
[15:51]
>> No, that's fair. Crystal ball, that's
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» No, that's fair. Crystal ball, that's
[15:53]
definitely a fair analogy, but we also
[15:54]
aren't necessarily up against time
[15:56]
clock, I guess is the question I was
[15:57]
getting the answer to, and I think I I
[15:58]
got it. So, that was helpful, though.
[16:01]
Um, Lucian, I appreciate it. That was
[16:03]
helpful. Steve, I appreciate it. As I
[16:04]
said before, I appreciate the time that
[16:06]
the municipal authority spent on this
[16:07]
personally. Um, I know that we had our
[16:10]
own independent analysis done as well
[16:12]
once the two providers were kind of
[16:14]
narrowed down. Um, so I don't know if
[16:16]
there's any other questions from the
[16:17]
board.
[16:20]
» I do. Um,
[16:23]
we still don't have that question
[16:25]
answered on what is the
[16:29]
scenario if we wait?
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» I
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My answer is the same. It would be we
[16:38]
saw the opportunity to refinance in
[16:40]
September. Um, waiting because of the
[16:43]
unknowns,
[16:45]
uh, it was a chance for the
[16:46]
rate payers to get a savings.
[16:49]
So, we decided to move forward with the
[16:51]
timeline that was proposed back in
[16:53]
December.
[16:56]
» Okay.
[17:03]
» Any other questions from the board?
[17:08]
» I would just like to say that I did have
[17:10]
a chance to talk to
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>> Can Can you all hear Cheryl?
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» Can Can you all hear Cheryl?
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>> I can. I Yeah.
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» I can. I Yeah.
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>> Great.
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» Great.
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>> Okay. To To DelVal, and I did
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» Okay. To To DelVal, and I did
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communicate with Steve
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via email
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with the side-by-side comparison. I know
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Steve, you did yours, but
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this right now is when you can refinance
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based on the bond from Steve. And I
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think based on the analysis that you did
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with Del Val and a little bit of what I
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looked at from our folks, it does seem
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to make sense. And even though we don't
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have a crystal ball to predict what will
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happen, the benefit of Del Val is you
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don't incur any additional expenses
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to refinance if I'm understanding
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correctly. And you can also reset. So,
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if the interest rate We're not If the
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interest rates go up, we're locked in.
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If they come down, we can watch them
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come down, and then we can reset at the
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lowest possible rate, and then we're
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guaranteed that rate
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at the end of this period. I think it's
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part of the deal.
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>> Yeah. Okay.
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» Yeah. Okay.
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>> Thank you for saying. I should have
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» Thank you for saying. I should have
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mentioned that, too. That was an
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attractive feature of the DVRFA
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refinancing as opposed to doing a bond
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bond issuance.
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» Any other comments from the board?
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>> So, so yeah, I just I wanted to make
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» So, so yeah, I just I wanted to make
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sure I understood that right. So, if the
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we lock in now, but rates, you know,
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actually do fall in the future next year
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or at another point, do we have the
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ability to lock in a subsequent lower
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rate?
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» Well, what's contemplated is a 10-year
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option.
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It's similar to what you would have with
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the bond issue.
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The The difference between a Del Val
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loan and a bond issue is with a bond
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issue, when you exercise an option,
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as is the case with the 2018 bonds, you
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have to refund them. You have to incur
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all the cost and go through all the
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drill of issuing a new series of bonds
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to pay off the old bonds.
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With a Del Val loan, when you exercise
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an option, there's no reissuance.
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There's no additional cost. It's just a
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rate reset.
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And with a DelVal with a bond issue, you
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can't do exercise an option more than 90
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days prior to the option day. So, if you
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have a 10-year option, you have to wait
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until 90 days prior to that option day
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to take advantage of what interest lower
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interest rates were hopefully in the
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market at that time. With a DelVal loan,
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we can make a forward commitment
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years in advance
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to be effective on the option day
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if you hit a a low interest rate
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environment. And that's exactly what we
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did to one of the township notes. Uh the
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we
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executed uh we we made a commitment to
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uh refund the bond issue of the
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townships about 15 months in advance of
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the option day.
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Uh and we locked the rate at that time
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to be effective on the option day.
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And and that's something And again,
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there's no cost. DelVal charges no fees.
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There's no filing to DCED requirement.
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There are no cost of issuance incurred.
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If the authority had used DelVal in
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2018, we wouldn't be doing this refund.
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And the authority would have saved about
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7 and 1/2 million dollars in debt
[20:32]
service cost.
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» Uh
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Wouldn't we have to wait another 2
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years?
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Uh
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Wouldn't we have had to wait another 2
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years cuz it would have been a
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a 10-year term?
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>> Uh we could have locked the rate in 2020
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» Uh we could have locked the rate in 2020
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to be effective in 2025.
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>> But well, this this loan would be 10
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» But well, this this loan would be 10
[20:57]
years though, right?
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>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
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>> Okay, so you're saying we're going to
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» Okay, so you're saying we're going to
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have an 8-year term
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on the last thing 2018?
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>> No, I'm saying if if they had done the
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» No, I'm saying if if they had done the
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deal with DelVal in
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First of all, our interest rates were
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lower then than they are now.
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This refunding only works because there
[21:14]
were 5% coupons
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on the 2018 bond issue.
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That's the only reason that refunding is
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economic.
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>> Well, I'm just saying if it in 20 I was
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» Well, I'm just saying if it in 20 I was
[21:23]
just talking about the turn. I thought
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you said we'd be refunding.
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>> No.
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» No.
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>> We'd be resetting now, I thought you
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» We'd be resetting now, I thought you
[21:27]
said.
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>> Well,
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» Well,
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>> We'd be refinancing now. I thought
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» We'd be refinancing now. I thought
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we would have to wait
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>> If you'd done the deal with Delval in
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» If you'd done the deal with Delval in
[21:32]
2018, in 2020 we would have locked 1%
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interest
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rates. That's what we did.
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It would be effective on the option
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date.
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>> 2020 would have locked in, but the
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» 2020 would have locked in, but the
[21:42]
option date would have been 2 years from
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>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
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>> Yeah.
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» Yeah.
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>> Okay.
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» Okay.
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>> Right.
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» Any other questions from the board?
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All right.
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All those in favor signify by saying I.
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>> I.
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» I.
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>> I.
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» Mike, are you a yes?
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>> I.
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» I.
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Yes.
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>> All those in favor
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» All those in favor
[22:11]
>> hear me?
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» hear me?
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>> Yeah, we can hear you. Let's actually,
[22:13]
» Yeah, we can hear you. Let's actually,
[22:13]
Stephen, you should probably just do a
[22:14]
roll call vote because it sounds like
[22:16]
everything's blocked up.
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>> Okay.
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Mr. San Francesco.
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>> I'm a no.
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» I'm a no.
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>> Ms. Chaneles.
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» Yes.
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>> Ms. Grosso.
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» Ms. Grosso.
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>> Yes.
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» Yes.
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>> Mr. Russo.
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» Mr. Russo.
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>> Yes.
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» Yes.
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>> Mr. Altieri.
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» Mr. Altieri.
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>> No.
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» All right, motion carries three to two.
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Move down to section 8, public comment.
[22:47]
If there's any public comment, please
[22:49]
come to the podium, state your name and
[22:50]
address for the record, and please note
[22:51]
that public comment again is 3 minutes
[22:53]
per resident and taxpayer.
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» We have no public comment.
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>> All right, any Any comment?
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Uh I just want to reiterate again, I do
[23:05]
appreciate the work that the municipal
[23:06]
authority did on this. Um I think it was
[23:09]
a good conversation and and a good
[23:11]
exercise.
[23:13]
Um so it doesn't, you know, that vote
[23:14]
does not discount the work that they put
[23:15]
into that.
[23:18]
>> I also like to comment that
[23:20]
» I also like to comment that
[23:20]
as much as we got our independent
[23:23]
contractor to do an evaluation and
[23:25]
things like that, I I do hope in the
[23:27]
future that the process
[23:29]
is more open and the lines of
[23:32]
communication between the least the
[23:34]
supervisors and the municipal authority
[23:36]
and going forward is more presentation
[23:39]
based and conversation based because
[23:42]
you know, as much as we got to where we
[23:44]
are right now, I do think uh
[23:47]
we could have done a better job
[23:48]
collaborating
[23:50]
and getting this out in a timely fashion
[23:53]
with direction.
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» Any other board comment?
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>> I just made a motion. Thank you,
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» I just made a motion. Thank you,
[24:00]
everyone.
[24:04]
» Good evening, everyone.
[24:05]
>> You too.
[24:10]
» Is this your phone?
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>> Yes.
[24:11]
» Yes.
[24:11]
>> Okay. Thank you.