1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:20,000 We're live now. Um before we start, I'd just like to uh welcome uh Mark Langden 2 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:25,199 to the parks and waterways. Um hopefully uh you have a good three years with us 3 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:30,880 or more. Thank you, Mark. >> Um we'll start off by uh the opening of 4 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:35,160 the meeting. Um, Nathan, can you please play the 5 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:35,160 recording? 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:42,879 » Today's meeting is being streamed live on the Township of Rome YouTube channel. 7 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:46,399 Be advised that by attending a public meeting of the commission, you are 8 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:51,280 consenting to your image, voice, and comments being recorded and will form a 9 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:56,480 part of the public record. The chair, CEO or secretary have the discretion and 10 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:00,879 authority at any time to direct the termination or interruption of live 11 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:04,239 streaming in exceptional circumstances where the content of the debate is 12 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:09,200 considered inappropriate to be published. Attendees are advised that 13 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:14,960 they may be subject to legal action if their actions result in unacceptable 14 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:18,799 behavior or comments. >> Thank you, Nathan. Um, one other thing I 15 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:22,640 did want to say before we started was, um, on our last parks and waterways 16 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:26,320 meeting, um, we had people complaining they couldn't hear what we were saying 17 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:30,400 and that we had to get closer to the mic. And when I went home, I went back 18 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:34,000 and I watched the recording. I could hear everything plain like didn't seem 19 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:37,520 to be any issues at all. So, it seemed more of the problem was in here. So, I 20 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:41,119 think when there's people here, we got to get closer to the mic. But other than 21 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:45,280 that, I think it was fine back back when they check it. So anyways, to start off, 22 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:50,159 we'll start the adoption agenda and our agenda additions. We're trying something 23 00:01:47,759 --> 00:01:54,799 new this time. >> Oh, I did say that. I'm sorry. I could 24 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:57,119 see my Rebecca was going to tell us. Go ahead. 25 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,880 » Yes. Through the chair. Yes. So, we do have um an amendment to the motion that 26 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,840 was on the agenda just to change the order. Uh so, the amended motion would 27 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:10,399 be that the Lagoon City Parks and Waterways Commission agenda dated August 28 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:15,040 13th, 2026 be adopted as amended to move item 8.2 to water mover study before 29 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:18,640 item seven accounts and budgets to allow for attendance by an external 30 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:23,440 consultant. Uh so for the commission's knowledge uh a consultant from TAM 31 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:28,800 engineering is available on Zoom to speak to this item. [snorts] 32 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:37,640 » Thank you. Uh the mayor has moved it. Second by the deputy mayor. 33 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,640 All in favor? That's pass. 34 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:48,720 So Rebecca, did you want to read that the recommendation? [snorts] 35 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,080 » Yes. So through the chair, the next item will just be adoption of minutes. So we 36 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:54,640 do have one vote for both sets of minutes. If you'd like to talk about 37 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,920 either of them separately, please let us know. So it's just that the minutes of 38 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:02,000 the following Lagoon City Parks and Waterways Commission meetings be adopted 39 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:07,200 as presented. LCPWC meeting minutes dated July 9th, 2026 and LCPWC close 40 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:11,760 session meeting minutes dated July 9th, 2026. 41 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:16,800 » So I need somebody to put on the floor each one. So we'll do um 3.1 first. 42 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,519 » To the chairs just one vote for both unless you'd like to talk about them 43 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:22,959 separately. So if you're comfortable adopting both without any changes, then 44 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,760 we would just need one mover and one second. 45 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:33,840 » Um I guess five to five. Does anybody have a discussion that before I put on 46 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:38,319 the Okay. Um we'll put on the floor um mayor second by uh councelor Hart or 47 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:47,159 Commissioner Hart. Um so any there's no discussion. Um 48 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,159 all in favor 49 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:55,120 um four disclose your appearing interest. 50 00:03:52,720 --> 00:04:01,697 I don't see anybody. um open form regarding agenda items only. Uh we don't 51 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:05,280 have anything that just came. Um [snorts] presentations and receiving 52 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:11,720 petitions deputations. We don't have anything. [clears throat] 53 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:11,720 Um we'll move then right to 8.3. 54 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:17,560 Um would you put that up please? 55 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,080 uh through the chair. So we do have a general manager Laura Pi and the 56 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:37,680 consultant from Tate of Engineering on the screen. We do have a draft motion. 57 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,199 However, it is looking for direction from the commission to be completed. So 58 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:44,000 I'll read what we have, but my suggestion would be that the commission 59 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,759 discuss what you would like to do and then if you have a preferred direction, 60 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,880 we can put that on the floor and take a vote on it at that time. So currently 61 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:56,400 it's drafted as that report LC1426 regarding water mover noise study update 62 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,680 be received and that the commission provide direction to staff as to the 63 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:05,919 requirement for operation and timing of the water movers. 64 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:11,680 So put on the floor deputy mayor second by uh commissioner um 65 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:18,960 um I think we have somebody to speak from Tatum there. Um 66 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:24,400 » yes my name is Along Guruhi and I'm from Tatum Engineering. [clears throat] 67 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:29,440 » Okay. >> Go ahead. Can you just give us an update 68 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:34,560 on the report is pretty lengthy. maybe tell us a little bit about it. 69 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:39,120 » Of course. Uh I I just add a little background about the water movers noises 70 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:45,520 study that Tatum completed. We started the project in 2023 I believe. Uh at 71 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:51,199 that time we um the township was receiving complaints about the noise and 72 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:55,919 we completed a noises study and uh the results showed that one of the water 73 00:05:53,120 --> 00:06:04,080 movers noise is exceeding the limits and and and the noise is tonal. Uh so 5 dB 74 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:11,759 was added as like [clears throat] to account for the tonal noise. Uh after 75 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:17,919 that uh Tatum completed some u study to offer some modifications to the 76 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:25,039 water movers uh uh structure uh which includes VFD uh uh variable frequency 77 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:32,479 drives to to be able to control the speed of the pump. However, the township 78 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:36,720 uh due to co cost uh issues did not install that and they they made some 79 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:42,880 other modifications. Uh Tatum Engineering completed another 80 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:48,400 site visit in July 14 this year uh to confirm uh if the modifications were 81 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:54,240 effective. Uh we did the noise measurements for both water meters. uh 82 00:06:50,720 --> 00:07:01,919 the uh we did noise measurements on the shoreline and also uh uh we used barge 83 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:06,080 to get closer to the water movers. Uh once we did the measurements we 84 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:11,360 completed the noise modeling at the location of the sensitive receptors 85 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:15,680 closest ones to the water movers. Uh the sensitive receptors are the locations 86 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:21,280 where people usually use um uh it's um it is outdoor spaces 87 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:25,405 and also the plane of window representing their bedroom or living 88 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,240 room spaces. >> [snorts] 89 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:33,360 » The measured noise were modeled at those locations and the modeling results 90 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:41,599 showed that uh both water meters can meet MPC 300 and MECP noise requirements 91 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:46,639 uh under all like all day conditions like daytime, nighttime and evening 92 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:54,240 times. Uh uh yeah. So both are within uh with 93 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:59,599 compliance within compliance uh at all operating hours. 94 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:03,639 » Okay. Does anybody have any questions? 95 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:13,840 » Um I I have a I I have a question. Um I was just wondering when I'm reading that 96 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:19,199 one like and like read it properly. Did one pump sound a lot less and the other 97 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,800 pump was louder? That's what I was reading and then I was reading somewhere 98 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:28,160 else that it seemed like both pumps were too loud. 99 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:34,159 » Uh originally I think the both pumps were loud but uh this uh the south water 100 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:40,640 mover was much louder uh and tonal. Uh but when we did uh the 101 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:43,919 revised measurement uh both were in the same range. 102 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:48,959 both in the same range. >> Yes. 103 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:52,399 » So the the like going over it all like because um I know I was looking at that 104 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,640 report and I'm not an engineer trying to understand this. The noise really has 105 00:08:54,959 --> 00:09:01,200 not backed off. It's it's still somewhat 106 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:08,080 loud for people. >> No, it is not. Uh it is within the um uh 107 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:16,959 MECP limit. So, MECQ limit says that daytime noise uh below 50 dBA noise at 108 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:24,399 daytime and below 45 dBA at night time is an acceptable level. Uh I think the 109 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:28,680 water movers noise were all uh time limit and night limit. 110 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:38,959 of >> I think it's it was around like highest 111 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:48,080 level at was at one of the residents up the living area was 40 40.9 dBA and it 112 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:54,959 is below the daytime limit of 50 dBA and nighttime limit of 45 dBA. 113 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:57,200 » Okay. Um let's do the mayor first then uh council. 114 00:09:55,519 --> 00:10:00,399 » Well, when I was looking at part of the report here, it showed that they 115 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:06,560 actually ran quieter in the evening. Why is that? Are we reducing the load on 116 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:09,680 them? Are we turning them down? Why? Cuz at one time, like one of them was 117 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,120 running 48 during the day, and I know the limit's 50, but 48 is not 118 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:17,279 acceptable. I I mean, that's what I read in here. We'd have to do something. The 119 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:23,760 quietest I've seen them run is is down around that 40. And still I would 120 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:27,680 consider that quite loud. So is there a reason why the sound is different at 121 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:32,160 night coming out of the motors? Not I know the decibels must be lower at night 122 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:35,920 so people can sleep but why is is the level changing on some of them but not 123 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:41,519 the other one. >> Uh the sound level um at night is 124 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:46,320 similar to the day but the limit is lower because the nighttime is the 125 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:51,360 sleeping time. uh and that's why the MECP put a lower limit for nighttime. So 126 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:57,440 if a water mover or or any other equipment uh is to operate at night, 127 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:03,640 they they must meet the uh nighttime noise levels uh which is quieter and 128 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 more stringent. 129 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:11,160 » Um Commissioner Hart, >> turn your mic. 130 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Chairman, I had the same kind of questions that if so what what I 131 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:22,959 understand so I'm clear because the acoustics here is not not the best. Uh 132 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:28,480 but and I but I've read the report but so what what you're saying is that there 133 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:33,200 are acceptable standards. We're within the reason of acceptable 134 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:37,519 standards at the present time. Is that correct? 135 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:42,800 » That's sorry chairman. My my question was the 136 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:49,760 the acoustics here is a bit difficult for me but I I I have read the report 137 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:55,200 and just so I'm clear that the the standards uh that we have now are are 138 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:59,880 are deemed acceptable both day and night at at 45 139 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:08,240 » this center. Yeah, go ahead. >> Um Laura, would you like to say 140 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:13,680 something? Yeah. So, yes, it both water movers are currently um the noise coming 141 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:19,839 from them are below the compliance limits. However, to the commission's 142 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:25,279 point, um it may still not be acceptable to the people who are living nearby 143 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:30,959 listening to them 247, which is why we're also seeking direction on how the 144 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,560 commission would like us to operate these, if at all. Um, I can say that 145 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:41,920 operationally we are seeing quite a bit of duckweed um within that canal and 146 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:48,240 these water movers are effective at moving those. Uh, we currently have a 147 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:53,200 timer um that's in the cabinet that would allow us to have one cycle of on 148 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:58,480 and off, which is what we were operating on earlier this year. Um, however, we've 149 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:04,320 looked and we can invest in a couple of different timers um that would allow us 150 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:08,800 to have up to six cycles per day. So, it could be that we cycle them on for a 151 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:14,720 duration and then have them off for a duration as well. So, yes, the water 152 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:22,160 movers are under the acceptable limits for sound. However, the people who live 153 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:25,920 nearby who have complained um may not appreciate them running 24/7. And that's 154 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:31,680 where we're seeking that direction from the commission is do you want us to turn 155 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:35,279 these on? And if so, how would you like us to turn those on? Because 156 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:41,560 understanding that they are meeting those requirements for both day and 157 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,560 nighttime uh usage. 158 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:50,560 » Chairman, thanks for thank you for the clarification. Um the 159 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:55,360 so the the standards are are per acceptable but but for for the residents 160 00:13:52,720 --> 00:14:01,519 of that particular area those st is still is still considered to be um high 161 00:13:59,199 --> 00:14:06,959 or or nuisance or or or troubling for them. So even though we do meet the the 162 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:10,399 the standard based on whatever premise that those standards 163 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:15,440 come from obviously the engineering standards um if we we can still can we 164 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:19,040 still have some flexibility in terms of of working with that? I like the idea of 165 00:14:17,199 --> 00:14:22,760 having a timer but are there other options we can consider? 166 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:29,680 Um is that a question too? >> Yes, that's that's a question. 167 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,320 » So >> Laura, do you want to answer that 168 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,480 question? Yeah, [snorts] through you, Mr. Chair. Um, so again, the the 169 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:41,040 commission may remember that the original uh proposal from TAM 170 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:46,079 Engineering was to install the variable frequency drives. Uh, that would have 171 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:51,920 the potential to reduce the speed of the pump um in general and what it's 172 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:57,199 operating at uh which could again potentially lower the sound. We just 173 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:02,320 don't know until that uh the VFD is installed and operating. Um, however, 174 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:09,120 that came with a fairly significant price tag. I believe it was close to the 175 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:14,000 $10 to $15,000 per mover, which is why we tried to do this less expensive 176 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:18,959 mitigation measure, which did reduce the sound below to that acceptable level. 177 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:25,519 So, we were successful in getting it below the the the acceptable limit. Um, 178 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:30,720 other than that, the other option we could consider is uh leaving them off 179 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:37,199 for now. Understanding that there's going to be some uh duckweed um that the 180 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:41,120 the harvesters do are challenged with trying to pick it up through skimming 181 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:46,720 activities. That isn't something that we can easily achieve. Um however we as 182 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:50,959 part of the budget consideration for next year um referencing one of the 183 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:54,480 other reports we'll be discussing in a little bit there is a proposal for a 184 00:15:52,959 --> 00:16:00,000 study which could consider other technologies but at this time we're 185 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:06,240 limited to uh either the movers being off or on um and having additional 186 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:13,279 timers or potentially looking at installation of VFDs which may or may 187 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:16,240 not be um successful. Well, >> uh, Deputy Mayor, 188 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:19,839 » yeah, I it's just my opinion, but I do think that we probably need to look at 189 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,759 shutting these down and start to monitor them weekly to see what the duckweed 190 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,639 does. Um, and then we can reassess at that point. But I think we need to give 191 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,199 some of these folks a bit of the summer that are having a hard time sitting out 192 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,480 on their deck because I know in that one condo where that mover is, there's been 193 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,839 I've been over there, I visited them. It's hard to just sit out there. At 194 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,440 first, you don't notice it, but after you sit there for 15, 20 minutes having 195 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,399 a conversation, you just hear a constant buzzing and it does get to you. And I 196 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,680 know there's a lady there that did have an accident that has a brain injury. She 197 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,880 isn't even able to sit outside right now because it just affects her that 198 00:16:46,959 --> 00:16:54,720 frequency. I think we should give them a bit of a reprieve, do that, and then 199 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:57,720 look at the the options for next year. Laura, 200 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:03,759 » uh through you, Mr. Chair, just to clarify, the water movers have been off 201 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:08,400 since the last commission meeting. So, we have not had them on for the last 202 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:14,959 couple of weeks. Um, they've been on or off for the purposes of uh TAM finishing 203 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:20,240 their um noise assessment and then a couple of operational moments, so not 204 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:24,400 extended periods. Um, and there has been uh quite a bit of duckweed growth 205 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:29,640 through there. Um, I will leave it to the commission to determine if that's 206 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,640 acceptable or not. 207 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:37,600 Um, I I I have a question for um the lady from Tatum. Um, 208 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:41,840 do you know of pumps that are out there that are quieter than these ones? 209 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:45,760 Because I I remember when the old pumps were there. The first time I You 210 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:49,520 probably all heard this story, right? The first time I went, I couldn't figure 211 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:54,640 out if they were on. They were that quiet. They were totally quiet. You 212 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:59,360 didn't even know they were on. And I'm and I remember back, this goes back, I 213 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,600 don't know, 15, 18 years, when I looked at the prices, the prices were like 214 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:07,039 almost $100,000 for these pumps. And I'm pretty sure the ones we just bought were 215 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:11,360 like 4550,000. So the the price difference tells me the 216 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,880 quality. And I'm wondering whether or not there are quality pumps out there 217 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:19,280 that we should be looking at. Cut our costs on this because we're wasting so 218 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:23,039 much time and money on this. We all know it works well. It's been working like 219 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:26,320 that for like 15 years, 12 years. I don't need a study. I've talked to the 220 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:30,000 people that have lived over there for years and years and they used to be 221 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,200 after me when those pumps didn't fire up in the spring. They were all over me. 222 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,200 They wanted those pumps running because they saw the duckweed and they saw the 223 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:41,280 issues that were happening there. So, it does help and we do need them there. We 224 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:45,120 do need the water movement and we should even be looking to look at other areas 225 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:50,160 to move water around and maybe that's what that study could do. But I I wonder 226 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:53,360 could we just get some prices on like a pump and if there's this pump out there 227 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,880 because I know I googled and said quietest pumps in the world and they 228 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:00,799 bring me a whole bunch of pumps and things. Well, we just go out and take a 229 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,799 look and listen to it. And I know I brought this idea to Laura when I was 230 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:09,280 talking to her about it and her comment was and I I appreciate what you're 231 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:13,840 saying that it depends on the location and where it is and so on and so forth 232 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:18,160 vibrations, but I think if the pump's that quiet, I can't hear it out there. 233 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:22,320 it's going to work a lot better. Uh, I agree 100% with what the deputy mayor 234 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,760 said. I've been over there, too. I couldn't put up with that noise. I I 235 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:30,559 think it's too loud. I know it's legally loud, but illegally allowed to be that 236 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,480 loud, but it's just constant. And it's not a nice feeling. It It's not really 237 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:39,840 It's It's just I don't think it works. And I wouldn't want to run them again, 238 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:44,640 even if they're at 40. I I think they got to be like under like 20. I think 15 239 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,520 even, right? So that's something that I would really like to look into and we'll 240 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:52,000 I think we're going to be talking about that later. Correct. Uh Laura, we'll be 241 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:56,240 just Oh, no. We're talking about it now because we have to make decision now. My 242 00:19:53,919 --> 00:20:00,960 apologies. Yeah. So, mayor. >> Well, my Yeah, now I they're off, but if 243 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,840 the duckweed builds up, I certainly wouldn't be turning them on, leaving 244 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:08,080 them on all day. If you've got the capability of up to six times, you know, 245 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,600 have them How long does it take to establish the water flow? Like if they 246 00:20:09,679 --> 00:20:16,559 ran for two hours and shut off for two hours, ran for two and then not on at 247 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:20,799 night at all. Like is there a way do you know roughly how long it takes to 248 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,080 establish that water flow? >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Um I 249 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:32,559 understand uh from Mr. Lenny who's joining us today. Um he's our new 250 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:37,520 operations manager that um last week within five minutes we saw a noticeable 251 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:44,880 change to the duckweed. So, I agree that we could do it for short durations, um 252 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:50,799 potentially on for even um 30 minutes and then off for uh an hour and do that 253 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:55,760 during some daytime hours. We can put a break in there um as well uh and see if 254 00:20:54,159 --> 00:21:03,039 that's effective and we can kind of adjust uh those timings as we see um how 255 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:08,159 effective it is and if uh the commission would give us direction uh delegation to 256 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:12,240 be able to adjust them minimally to to make sure that they're still being 257 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,200 effective without uh um changing it drastically. 258 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:20,720 » That would be my suggestion if we have to turn them back on so they're not 259 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:26,080 running constant. U and just in in that when um and this I quote back when I 260 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:30,720 became a um a commissioner back many years ago, one of my biggest complaints 261 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:35,840 was the electrical bill with that and it had been running for 24 hours. So we 262 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,760 started experimenting on using it at night where the electricity was cheaper 263 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:45,039 and we found it did work. We were running it in the morning and at night 264 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:49,280 except in the spring. We left them on 24 hours because we really needed it 265 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:53,919 because the p they were power hogs. The old ones they used up so much power. So, 266 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:59,280 uh, what the mayor is saying, I I agree we can do that, but maybe pick an hour, 267 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:03,760 say 11:00 or 12:00 during the day where everybody's up and let them run for a 268 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:07,919 little bit. But the key right now is that we can pick up the duckweed with 269 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:13,200 our harvesters now. We can get in the area. The problem with the duckweed is 270 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,360 when um we do and I do want to talk about skimmers and that and that's 271 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:19,919 something we're going to talk about later I guess at capital but um to pick 272 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:24,240 it up now and the reason I say we pick it up now is if you go down and you pick 273 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:28,320 up weeds and then you bring the weeds up as you're bringing it you can draw the 274 00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:32,159 duckweed off the top of the water but when we're just skimming during 275 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,480 springtime we have a lot of problem with the screen it falls right through but if 276 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,480 we're taking weeds out we utilize the weeds to help lift the duckweed Yeah, 277 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:43,360 I've watched um them do it before. It really works quite well. And and I do 278 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,280 understand what you're I know what you're about to say, Laura. 279 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:51,200 Yeah. But you could say that if you want, but that's how we we learned how 280 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,039 to do it. Yeah. >> Um definitely. 281 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:59,360 » I think back in 2022, I had asked um Josh Kavanagh, who was here with us, um 282 00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:02,799 to look at brushless motors. At that point, they didn't they couldn't find 283 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:06,000 any brushless pumps. I'm just don't know if that's maybe something that's come 284 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:10,720 about. I know I put him in contact with a company called NCH in Barry on Wellm 285 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,360 Road um and they specialize in in specialty pumps. So maybe that would be 286 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,559 somewhere to start when we start looking at that study. But there there does I 287 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,720 agree with Cal. We were actually looking at rebuilding one of those. Um we had 288 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,880 one left in the core. We were going to rebuild it, but I don't know what ever 289 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,840 happened to that. >> I asked that. I [clears throat] 290 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,640 Laura >> uh uh through you, Mr. Chair. Yes, we 291 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:36,640 still have had one of the pumps. However, getting parts for it was uh the 292 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:43,120 challenge. So, those pumps were original with the original water movers in 1999, 293 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:47,120 early 2000. Uh and the the uh repair parts are not available for those pumps 294 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:52,320 anymore, which is why the decision was made to replace those. Um and again, we 295 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:57,360 can definitely consider options for different pumps um going forward. I 296 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:02,559 would say that that would be a request for 2027 budget. 297 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,600 I would like to see that in the budget for sure that in the study I think we 298 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:09,919 need to this has been gone going since I've been on in 2022 and long before 299 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:13,200 that I think how you and the mayor probably remember how far back it's gone 300 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,720 but previous people that lived there have had the same issues so that we need 301 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:20,400 to look at this and get a final solution. 302 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,120 Uh, Commissioner. >> Yeah, Chairman, if I just may comment, 303 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:30,799 it it it's so just to so I understand it meets the acceptable standards, but it's 304 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:36,720 not acceptable to the people uh of of of that area and and 305 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:42,559 we have to uh and the water moves big plays a big important role in in proper 306 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:46,640 uh canal maintenance as well as as harvesting. But I think we have to move 307 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:50,960 forward and and and examine what if there is a cost look at other options. 308 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,600 But this is something that we have to take uh we are taking very seriously and 309 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,760 we got to come to a a favorable conclusion that we can have the water 310 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,440 movers and still meet uh acceptable standard for the people who live in that 311 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:09,039 area. I I think we all agree with that. Yeah. 312 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:13,919 So I guess what we need to do now is figure the direction that we're going to 313 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:17,360 ask of staff. And I I would love to actually look at new pumps. I really 314 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:20,559 would. And see how much they are and this could solve all our problems in one 315 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:24,880 shot. Like, you know, we might have to pay a little more for the pumps, but 316 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:29,360 these pumps here, I I just think they're cheap pumps. Actually, my my feeling 317 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,960 with about it right now. Um Deputy Mayor, 318 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:33,360 » but I do know that's not in the budget this year. So, that's something we need 319 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:37,360 to add to the budget when we're talking about the budget. But this year, I don't 320 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:41,279 know. I think we need to let staff kind of experiment a little bit whether it's 321 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:44,720 every day or every other day and do the timers and see if we can if that can 322 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,080 kind of mitigate some of the complaints and keep that duckweed down. I think 323 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,960 that would be the direction I'd >> Yeah, I think we've agreed that we can 324 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:55,600 run it for an hour or two at lunch at noon or something like that, right? And 325 00:25:52,960 --> 00:26:00,000 see how it works, right? uh it it does help us and we do need it on. So we 326 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,279 really know we have to get the pumps, but I think really we should be giving 327 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,880 direction also to be looking at new pumps because we're going to be looking 328 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,480 at budget today. We may want to get a rough idea like what that's going to 329 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:16,000 cost us too because we might want to move something out that's in there, you 330 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:22,400 know, to put it forward. And I I don't we'll talk about the budget later now. 331 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:26,080 So I I guess we're we're kind of done with Tatum. I don't Do you guys have any 332 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:30,799 more questions for Tatum? I guess because we're gonna have to discuss it 333 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:35,039 now or what are we going to do like um would would if we're looking at getting 334 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,320 an idea of new pumps and and exploring that. Would you be doing that Laura? 335 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,640 » Uh Laura? >> Yes, we would be able to help with that 336 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:47,919 and also uh the new pumps will have manufacturer data on their noise levels. 337 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:54,159 we can uh review all those manufacturer data and model it uh if needed to see if 338 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:58,120 they are meeting uh the requirement levels for the residents. 339 00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:04,240 » Is that how you would do it Laura? Like would you then go through Tatum or would 340 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:08,720 you look like how would we what would be our next steps? 341 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:14,640 » I I think because this has been an ongoing issue and the noise sensitivity 342 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:19,279 is important. Yes, I would um I would contract a consultant to assist with 343 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:24,960 that procurement uh to determine which path would be the best option. We could 344 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:30,240 look at that being conducted as part of the overall study that's proposed for 345 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:36,720 2027. Uh when we get to the budget portion of that, um for the purposes of 346 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:42,159 this report though, I need direction on what you would like us to do with the 347 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:46,240 water movers right now. And so we can leave the other discussion for budget. 348 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,320 Uh but for right now, what do we want to do with the existing water movers? Uh 349 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:54,320 and when do you want and if we're running them, how would you like us to 350 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:58,240 run them? >> So that's discussion. Many people said 351 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:02,000 that you want to run for a couple hours. >> Yeah, I would say. But what what if we 352 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,440 just gave you say three hours a day m is the maximum we want to see them on Laura 353 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:10,480 and let you decide when when it might be the most effective to use those three 354 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:15,360 hours with the less less least impact. Is that enough direction 355 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:20,399 » through you? Yes, that's fine. Um, I would like also maybe uh a time frame of 356 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,279 what would be acceptable hours to run them in. 357 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,559 » How many hours do you think would be acceptable? 358 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:29,600 » I believe an hour in the morning or an hour in the afternoon, an hour in the 359 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,039 evening. Just take an hour block out of each each section. That gives people 360 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:35,200 windows of those sections depending on when they like to go and enjoy the 361 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,919 water. >> Can you do that, Laura? Like an hour in 362 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,679 the morning, an hour in the afternoon, an hour a day. 363 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:47,919 Uh yes, we can. We'll we'll purchase those uh different timers which will 364 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:51,440 give us flexibility for that. Um it should be able to be accommodated within 365 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:57,200 our operating budget for this year for us to get those purchased and installed. 366 00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:05,520 Um and then just to clarify, morning would be anything beyond 8:00 a.m. 367 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:12,320 between 8 and 12 noon. Afternoon would be 12 to 4 and evening would be 4 to 368 00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:16,000 8:00 p.m. That's where I I need to understand 369 00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:19,279 what your distinction of the times are. >> So really what they're saying is you're 370 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:28,480 saying an hour. So 9:00 in the morning till 10:00 uh 2:00 till 3:00 and 7 371 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:32,480 o'clock to 8 o'clock. Is that all right? And and before going forward, you're 372 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:36,559 saying we're going to have to purchase timers and labor to do that. Couple 373 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,600 thousand dollars. Is that what we're talking now? 374 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,960 » Yeah, less than that. I would suggest >> less than that. What about weekends? 375 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:51,600 » You would keep it the same. >> That's what I'm asking at. So, 376 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:59,279 » all right. So, we'll do it seven days a week then. Is that enough guidance? 377 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:06,159 Yes, that's fine. Um, and I just want to confirm with uh Madame Clerk that she 378 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:09,360 has that for the motion uh to confirm >> uh through the chair. I'm just getting 379 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,799 that motion drafted. If I could just ask for clarification. Uh, Commissioner 380 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:18,240 Johnson, you had mentioned a time frame for the afternoon. So, you had 9 and 381 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:22,559 10:00 a.m. for the morning, 7 and 8:00 p.m. for the evening. What was the time 382 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,200 that you had noted for the afternoon? >> I think we had initially said 2 to 383 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,760 three. There is some discussion on the floor right now though, Laura, just so 384 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,559 you know. I think we're we're questioning that time at night because 385 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,559 people do like to go out and have a coffee and watch the sunset. So maybe 386 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:39,360 that that 8:00 is a bad one. Maybe we need to do kind of 5 to 6 or 6 to 7. 387 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,200 » 6 to 7 when people are eating dinner maybe. 388 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,080 » Yeah, [laughter] I'm thinking 9 to 10 in the morning is better as well. They can 389 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:49,600 have the coffee in the morning, but that's just me. 9 to 10, 2 to three, 390 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:53,679 » and then six to seven. And you do know what we're doing now is we're making it 391 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:57,120 louder when it goes on because people are used to the silence. And when that 392 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,799 turns on, they're going to hear the noise. So they're going to hear it three 393 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,080 times a day. And I noticed that with a piece of equipment I had in my plant 394 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,520 that as long as we left it running, we had no complaints was when we turned it 395 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,480 on and off at times it was off for a couple hours complaints came. 396 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,760 » I know. So be prepared for >> one complaint at a time. That's all. 397 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:19,760 » So anyways, so did you get that time up? Yeah. Rebecca 398 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,399 » to the chair. Yes. So, I do have a motion drafted. If you'd like, we can 399 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,640 put it on the screen and I'll read it and if you have any changes, please let 400 00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:31,360 us know. Uh, so what we have drafted currently is that report LC1 1426 401 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:35,520 regarding water mover noise study update be received and that the commission 402 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,440 direct staff to evaluate variable timing for the water movers to a maximum of 3 403 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,840 hours per day, 1 hour in the morning between 9 and 10:00 a.m., 1 hour in the 404 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,840 afternoon between 2 to 3:00 p.m., and 1 hour in the evening between 6:00 and 405 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:51,519 7:00 p.m. 7 days a week. and assess the impact for the remainder of the 2026 406 00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:57,559 season and that the purchase of new water mover pumps be referred to the 407 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,559 2027 budget process for consideration. 408 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:04,320 » Who was the um put it on who put it >> I'll wear the heat for that one. 409 00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:08,240 » Did you put on the floor >> through the chair? We did have uh the 410 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,480 deputy mayor as a mover and commissioner Langden as the seconder for the 411 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,440 original. >> So you all right with the changes then 412 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:17,760 you guys? >> Yeah, you're all right with the changes. 413 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:22,880 Okay. So, uh, no more discussion on that. All in favor? 414 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,880 Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Uh, I could I'm trying to see your 415 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:32,320 name by the lady from Tatum. Thank you very much. 416 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:38,480 » No worries. >> We're done. Um, next one we're going to 417 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:44,720 go to 7.1. Um, account vouchers dated July 31st, 418 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:47,840 2026. uh through the chair. The motion for 419 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:52,000 this is that the accounts vouchure date at July 31st, 2026 be received as 420 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,159 information. Let >> me put on the floor for me, please. I 421 00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:02,559 see the mayor's looking at me and I'll look over here to commissioner and you 422 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:06,120 second it. Um discussion. 423 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:13,760 Okay, I have stuff on here. I just I got to find it now. 424 00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,919 here. 425 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:25,480 Bear with me while I find this. Thanks. Yeah, I know. I think we're all firing 426 00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,480 up our computers now. 427 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,039 Does anybody got something to say while I'm looking here? I do have things. I 428 00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:02,279 just have to find it. I haven't found it yet. Um, 429 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,640 that's what happens without order, huh? 430 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:22,480 There we go. I finally found my um I have a couple questions on that. Um the 431 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:27,679 scare tape, we're still using that like we're selling it to residents. 432 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:33,119 » Uh >> sorry, Mr. Chair. Yes, that's correct. 433 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:37,440 If if a resident um is requesting it, we do sell it at the township office. Do 434 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,800 you sell a lot of it? Like I I thought we stop I thought we stopped um 435 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:47,359 supplying it. >> Uh no, we don't sell uh a lot of it. I 436 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:53,919 think this was the first um that we sold this year. Um it we may sell one or two 437 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,399 uh a year. It is in our fees and charges bylaw that we do have it available for 438 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:00,720 them. >> Now I know where the my neighbor got it 439 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:06,560 from because I saw them with it. Um the insurance is 16. Um the question I had, 440 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,960 I guess the $6,614 to find the anchor for the um water 441 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:15,200 moves. Are we going to identify where because I think we've done this before. 442 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:19,040 Uh can we identify where it is so that or do you need them to dive down to tie 443 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,920 onto it or can we put some sort of boy on it or something so that we know where 444 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:27,040 it is? >> Uh through Mr. Chair, we'll we'll look 445 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:32,000 at that for this year. Yes, that was the challenge was that um with all our 446 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:36,640 poking and proddding in the the lagoon, we could not find the anchor block to 447 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:41,440 tie the water mover to. So, we were able to locate one ourselves, but the other 448 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:47,200 one did require the diver. So, we'll try and um even if we can't put a buoy in 449 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,359 because generally it's going to be also over the winter that we'll need to it's 450 00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:56,720 in the springtime, we'll need to be able to identify it. Um, even if we GPS it, 451 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,160 it'll give us a little bit better idea so that we can uh try and locate it 452 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,760 again in future years. >> So, you don't need them to dive down and 453 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,560 hook it all up. You just have to tie it down with 454 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:12,240 » Yes, it it was that we couldn't locate the chain to connect it to it. 455 00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:15,680 » Um, the other one I had was the uh, and anybody wants to jump in question what 456 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,599 I've asked them is the compressor repair. What was that compressor repair? 457 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,640 Is that what the ones from over on Paradise? Is that what you were 458 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,920 repairing? false ones. >> Uh it was the compressors in the bubbler 459 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:32,800 shed. I don't recall. I thought it was two of them that needed to be repaired 460 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:37,680 and they are completed now. Um that had been brought forward as a report from 461 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,680 last year. We did do the expansion of the bubbler system. Instead, we did the 462 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,480 repairs to the compressors. >> Right. Okay. Because I know the 463 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,480 compressors over at Paradise, they're the they're not the very they're not a 464 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,839 good type. They wear out. So, I was thinking that next time they wear out, 465 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:55,839 we look at updating them or upgrade into a better system. 466 00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:00,400 And my last one was the shed purchase. What was the shed for? 467 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:06,000 » Uh, the shed is located at our um offload site and it was a capital 468 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:10,640 project that had been approved for 2026. >> Okay. Yes. That so that was the shed 469 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,520 then at the actual removing removal area to keep our equipment there. Okay. 470 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,760 » Correct. Yes. >> Okay. Um, the deputy mayor, 471 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,119 » uh, I just had a couple questions from residents. Something I don't see on the 472 00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:24,720 vouchers. Who does the cleaning? And is there anybody who does a cleaning or 473 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,240 maintenance, cleans the sand or picks up garbage or empties garbage? What what 474 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,920 line would that fall under? I don't see it. 475 00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:36,640 » So that uh through you, Mr. Chair, that is the contracted services for Summit 476 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:42,320 Property Group. Um, Summit is the contractor this year for one both the 477 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:46,960 uh, lawn cutting as well as the garbage pickup and um, and maintenance of the 478 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,880 sites, the beaches. >> Followup. 479 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,839 » You have follow? >> Yeah, I just had a followup. Uh, do they 480 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,640 just do it when they come to cut the grass, they just do a quick clean and 481 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,520 empty the garbages once a week or do they come back more often than once a 482 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:02,160 week? >> Uh, through you, Mr. Chair. I'd have to 483 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:08,960 look back at the requirements of the contract. Um, I do know that they're uh 484 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:13,040 we've been working well with them and they'll be following whatever we've 485 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,920 requested them to be doing. Um, off the top of my head, I don't recall what 486 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,480 those requirements are. >> Okay. Thank you. I don't I don't know. 487 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,040 It may be something we need to ask the public if they feel there's needs to be 488 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,480 more cleaning. There may be something we want to add to the next contract. That's 489 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,240 » Thank you. >> Well, to follow up on that, um, we had 490 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:31,040 looked at getting a sinker to go in there. We actually got went over to 491 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,079 Barry and took a look at some of that equipment and it's really expensive. We 492 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:39,119 were hopefully trying to say tie into council because with their public 493 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,720 beaches and utilize something like that, but that didn't seem to go anywhere. But 494 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,079 it really works well. You go to most of these beaches like Barry, desert, all of 495 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,400 them, they have this piece of equipment, they move it around and it cleans up 496 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,880 everything. It just filters. It really does a great job. Um, the one thing down 497 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,520 there on that beach too is when they do that plowing, what we have to do is make 498 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:04,160 sure that they go from end to end because we've probably lost over what 50 499 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,680 100 feet of our beaches because they haven't pulled it out. I think they use 500 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,359 like a plow or something that they pull back and forth and they just really all 501 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:15,520 they're doing is just moving the dirt and turning it over. But what was 502 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:18,800 happening was the sides were all coming in. And you go take a look at the 503 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:22,480 especially the North Beach. The North Beach has lost maybe half of its beach. 504 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,880 It's all gone and you can't go afterwards as Laura has told me. We 505 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:35,320 can't go in there. >> Yeah. Um uh Commissioner 506 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,320 Chairman Beach Security 507 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:43,839 have uh 508 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:52,440 for the beach the the beach security piece. 509 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,440 I have uh 510 00:39:54,720 --> 00:40:04,560 for for uh the for 2025 it's 25 and then for 2026 is 10. It's been reduced. Is 511 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,560 there any consideration to having it increased? 512 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,280 » Uh sorry. >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. 513 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:16,160 » Uh through you Mr. Chair. That'll be discussion at budget. So not at this 514 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:19,520 report. >> Okay. Thank you. 515 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:31,560 Um, any other questions? All in favor? 516 00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:31,560 Pass. And next one is uh 7.2 517 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,640 uh through the chair. This motion is that the budget to actuals report dated 518 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,640 July 31st, 2026 be received as information 519 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:49,760 on the floor. Mayor, second by Commissioner um Hart. Um, any 520 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:54,160 discussion? Seems as we're all there on point. Uh, mayor, 521 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:58,800 » I'm just looking at uh I guess second last page here. The harvester repair was 522 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:03,359 12,000. So that was over budget, but every year we've always budgeted 15. Was 523 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:08,839 that a typo when we only budgeted 5,000 this year or was it just 5,000 budgeted? 524 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:21,200 » Um, Laura is there. Laura >> uh through sorry which line was that Mr. 525 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:28,079 » So we're on the well basically the last page it like the totals are on and it's 526 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:33,920 so it's under just above capital vehicles and it's number 41 harvester 527 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:38,319 15,000 budgeted two years ago 12,000 spent last year we only budgeted five or 528 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:43,280 is that a typo because it's always been 15 and we're budgeting 15 for next year. 529 00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:48,480 Yeah, through you. We were expecting because um we had done the significant 530 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:54,079 repairs that we weren't expecting to have to do uh that much work on it this 531 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:57,839 year. Um and so yes, that was a correct uh we were 532 00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:01,760 » we had only budgeted 5,000 this year recognizing the age and and the work 533 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,400 that does need to be done and the expectations of that vehicle. That's 534 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,119 where for 2027 we've put it back in at 15. 535 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:14,800 » Okay. But and if I may continue, three lines below that, how do we make a 536 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:20,560 profit on the harvester trailer? We budgeted 300 and we've got in brackets 537 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:24,160 1,200. How do we did we get money back? Was it moved to a different account? 538 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:30,160 What happened there? >> Uh through you there was um a correction 539 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:34,720 that needed to be made. So it's I'm not clear on why it's showing the negative. 540 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:39,200 It should have been a zero. Uh there was a charge that went to that line item and 541 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:42,319 then was removed. Okay, I'll I'll confirm with finance. It should be at 542 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,000 $0. >> Okay, that's fine. I just Yeah, we made 543 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,160 a profit on a repair. I couldn't figure it out. 544 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:57,920 » Mayor. >> Yeah. Um down on the last page as well 545 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:02,240 under capital, there's capital weed control. I just wanted to show find out 546 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,839 like I I think people asked because we're not spraying anymore there that's 547 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,160 not in the budget, right? We've removed that from the budget. They're not paying 548 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,960 for it and not getting it. I just want to clarify those things. 549 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:19,440 » True, Mr. Chair. Yes, this capital project, the name of it is a little bit 550 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:28,400 misleading. Um it's actually uh a consortium of a bunch of various little 551 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:34,079 uh items including the um north uh beach drainage uh work, the shed purchase. Um 552 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:38,400 there's a couple of other projects in there. So, uh, the name is just a little 553 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:43,680 bit misleading, but it was all capital works that was approved by the 554 00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:48,160 commission for 2027. And the spraying, uh, was in a different in the operating 555 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:53,680 budget, uh, line items, and that's not part of the ongoing budget request. 556 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:56,480 » And just one more comment on that, I guess, is because we didn't do a lot of 557 00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:00,000 the skimming at the beginning of the year, those things, do we have recognize 558 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:04,000 the savings or did we put that savings into overtime to get caught up in the 559 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:10,079 weed harvesting? um through you, Mr. Chair. The that is 560 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:15,599 correct that there's not I haven't run the numbers to be able to see uh we did 561 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:20,240 do overtime. We were still out on the boats and doing some work early in the 562 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:23,680 season uh to get things ready to install the water movers and stuff like that. 563 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:28,240 So, there is still going to be some labor costs associated with it. Um and 564 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:33,119 that's where we'll have to wait till we're further in the season to see how 565 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,000 that all shakes out. We're really not be able I know I was 566 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,599 looking for that too. We're not going to be able to tell till what October like 567 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:44,400 what our costs once they all come in. We'll be able to take a look at it 568 00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:49,280 and see what there is. I I'm assuming there'll be a savings. And just saying 569 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:53,119 all of that um watching what the what your uh staff did out on the water. They 570 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:57,440 did a phenomenal job when they jumped on it that quick and I could not believe 571 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,920 how fast they were taking those weeds out and how fast they were moving. and 572 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,920 that piece of equipment, the big one that went out there. This was the first 573 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,680 time. It really showed like last year we were kind of breaking it in. It was kind 574 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,599 of new, but this year it was phenomenal what it did. And to thank all your staff 575 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,119 from working the overtime. We did see them there, you know, working and it 576 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:21,520 made a big difference. It caught up so quickly. And I'm assuming your um 577 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:25,280 complaint calls must have dropped right off because when I drove around my boat, 578 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,520 I looked, it was amazing what what a good job they've done. And they're still 579 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:34,240 out there working way on. So yeah, thank them from us. Great job done. Um, and I 580 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,839 jumped in on there because I should have said that at the beginning, but yeah. 581 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:46,480 Um, any other questions here. All in favor? That's what 582 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:50,240 Okay, we'll move to the front one. 7.3. 583 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:54,880 Um, Rebecca. Oh, sorry. I see Laura put her 584 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,960 hand up. >> Uh, through you, Mr. Chair. I'll let uh 585 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,119 the clerk read the motion and I just have a couple of updates before we get 586 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:08,640 into some discussion before we get too far if after the motion is on the floor. 587 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:13,359 » Okay. >> Uh through the chair, the motion for 588 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:18,400 this item is as follows. that report LC 1326 regarding draft Lagoon City Parks 589 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,319 and Waterways Commission 2027 budget be received and that the draft 2027 590 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:26,000 operating and capital budgets for the Lagoon City Parks and Waterways 591 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:31,920 Commission attached to schedules A and B to report LC 1326 be presented to 592 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:37,280 council for consideration >> put on the floor 593 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:41,760 deputy mayor second by um commissioner Lang 594 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:49,359 discussion got myself organized here now for this. 595 00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:54,160 » So, you Mr. Chair, um a couple of two items. Um I did want to just give you a 596 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:58,720 couple of small updates uh that I had after I had submitted the report. Um 597 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:04,160 first one is for staff wages and expenses. Uh I believe it's showing 598 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:09,680 $250,000. Um that can come down to $230,000. I was 599 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:15,599 waiting for some adjustments from our HR department. Um, and then the other one 600 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:20,839 is beach security. Uh, and yes, we would like to increase that from 10,000 up to 601 00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:20,839 15,000. 602 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:32,480 So those two lines will be different than what were submitted as 603 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:38,040 » Sorry, Laura, could you The numbers were >> Yeah. So staff wages would change to 604 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,040 $230,000, 605 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:48,280 » right? >> And the line item for beach security 606 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,280 would be 15,000 607 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:59,119 » and then to have discussions. So, so starting all this like and the one thing 608 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,200 I've noticed and I'm not sure whether or not you've noticed it too, mayor, deputy 609 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:07,680 mayor, that normally when we get this and when it's showing that it's a zero 610 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:12,400 increase like this is what they're recommending here, the zero increase 611 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:16,720 when we look at that like on this whole budget is that when 612 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,240 it's all finished in the bottom line dollars and I'm trying to find that too, 613 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:27,200 is that recognizing a zero increase in any capital cost now or anything new 614 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:35,040 that we add, it's going to increase the actual um um um possible increase 615 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:39,440 like where where is all that? Like normally you can see that here's where 616 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:45,119 we're at. Here's what it's actually um here's our budget and if we want to add 617 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:49,200 something it means the the the actual increase it goes up on that it and and I 618 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:54,240 don't see any of that there. I don't see how I can bring it back and forth. 619 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:58,319 » So through you, Mr. Chair, this was uh presented this way based on comments 620 00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:02,880 from last year's presentation that the operating and the capital be separated. 621 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:07,599 So that's what I have done this year. Um in the body of the report, you'll note 622 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:15,280 that there is a proposed transfer to reserves of approximately I think it was 623 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:19,760 300 and um let me just pull it up uh $350,000. 624 00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:25,839 That's an estimate because that's at this point we are meeting our expenses 625 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:31,280 are being met by the revenues and at this point there's a proposal of 626 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:35,359 $350,000 to go into the reserve. If there's a change in the capital projects 627 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:41,440 or in the operating budget as part of the discussion, that number will adjust 628 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:45,920 to bring it to that the the budget is balanced. um it's difficult for us to 629 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:49,760 present that when we aren't clear on what that's going to look like. So when 630 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:56,160 it goes to council, that's where that will be presented as a a balanced 631 00:49:52,559 --> 00:50:03,520 budget. At this point, $350,000 is going to be transferred into the reserve 632 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:09,200 holding that levy at a 0% increase. So if the commission so chooses, that 633 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:13,440 number could go down, that number could go up. We could still increase the levy. 634 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,040 This is just the recommendation from staff at this point. 635 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,920 » So that's really my answer right there that that you're at budget plus 350,000 636 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,240 to go into reserves. >> That's how that's how I have to read 637 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:31,040 that then. Okay. So when I look at that now and I guess my other question was I 638 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:35,160 was just kind of curious. Um do you know what our reserves are right now? 639 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:45,040 » Um Miss Fischer is on and maybe she can question for us. 640 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:49,200 » Yes. Um through you Cal I've got um so if you have referred to the 2025 uh 641 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:55,680 financial statements the balance for LCVW per the financial statements of 642 00:50:50,960 --> 00:51:01,520 December 31st 2025 was about 892,000. We budgeted a transfer to reserves in 643 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:07,760 2026 of 178,400. So our projected ending balance in 644 00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:10,800 December will be about 1,70,000 and that doesn't account for the 645 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,520 interest on reserve funds yet. We're not certain what the um percentage might be 646 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:18,800 by the end of the year, but approximately $20,000 increase there. Um 647 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,960 given Laura's report, we've currently got a um transfer to reserves of about 648 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:28,880 350,000, which might be reduced uh or increased 649 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:36,200 based on decisions today. Um but this is looking at a projected December 2027 650 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,200 balance of 1.4 million. 651 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:47,599 » Okay, so that's our reserves now. So um with our our income statement, what 652 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:52,559 is what is the normal reserves that we should have? Like just so everybody 653 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,680 knows like um what should what because I know there was a number that we were 654 00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:00,720 given that we should always try to keep our reserves at a certain amount. Um do 655 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:04,800 you know what that number is? >> I don't recall a number being given. My 656 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,480 best recommendation would do be to maintain a reserve to meet future 657 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,119 capital expenditures or anything that you might need to pull from their 658 00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,640 reserves um 659 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:20,559 for future years. So if you have a future plan um and you're anticipating 660 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:27,680 additional expenses um a good reserve would be to keep um to keep sufficient 661 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:30,880 funds for future costs. Um, deputy mayor, 662 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:34,400 » I'm just wondering, would this benefit us to create a 10-year capital plan like 663 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:38,400 the township does, like most municipalities does specifically for the 664 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,079 commission? This would help us plan for reserves and know exactly what we need 665 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,800 in there, anticipate new purchase of equipment or things we want to look at 666 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:51,040 down the road. >> I thought 667 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:56,079 um we'll I guess with Laura first. >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Um, I do 668 00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,720 agree that we should be updating the 10-year capital plan. Um, I'm not sure 669 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:04,319 if there had been one in the past, but we would like to look at that. Uh, and 670 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,440 the hope is that we'd bring that to the September meeting so that we have that 671 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,680 information. >> Exactly. Because I don't want people to 672 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,520 think that 1,100,000 is a fantastic reserves when, you know, if a piece of 673 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:18,480 equipment goes, you're you're talking a half a million dollars like for the 674 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:22,079 equipment that we have. So, you've got to constantly be saving for. And that's 675 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:25,440 something that we didn't have when we first became parks and waterways and we 676 00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:30,319 needed this and I I just want to make sure we stay with it and that's why I'm 677 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:35,040 bringing it up right now. All right. Okay. So, um I guess sorry did Lord do 678 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,640 you need us to pass a motion to to create that or are you good with that 679 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:42,960 direction? >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair. I'm good with 680 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,520 that direction. We'll bring that at the September meeting. That was part of our 681 00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:50,160 plan anyway. So, >> perfect. Thank you. 682 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,160 Did you want to just go through page by page and go through this? Do you? Um I I 683 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:59,359 can we go through it quickly like now like go through the pages like 684 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:03,839 well I was just like doing the prep at the beginning like I'm not sure if you 685 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,319 looked at I I know um commission Hart I think the mayor 686 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:09,200 » Why don't we just do it page by page and then you're covering it and we can ask 687 00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:10,720 our questions is that's usually the question. 688 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,359 » Okay. So I'm going to do like and I'm starting uh I think it's uh page one I 689 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:20,079 got one to seven the way I did it but um agenda 7.3 690 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:25,040 um so the very first page it's a background and discussion anybody have 691 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,559 anything to talk about there um 692 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:33,920 the expan the only thing I had the expansion of the bubbler system um I I'm 693 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,480 not sure have we not finished the total expansion and we are looking at the next 694 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,242 expansion or do you have two in line right Yeah, like you have another 695 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:44,240 expansion [clears throat] 696 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:51,520 » through you, Mr. Chair. We deferred the expansion for 2026 to do the compressor 697 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:57,760 repairs. So, the proposal is to have the expansion that was originally proposed 698 00:54:53,839 --> 00:55:02,559 for 2026 take place in 2027. Uh I do believe we were still going to have 699 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:07,599 further discussions um before that went for procurement to determine exactly 700 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,280 where the expansion was going to be. Uh this is just an earmark for that project 701 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,079 to continue. >> And are we going to talk about that 702 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:18,119 today? >> No, not at this meeting. 703 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:25,079 » Any other questions on the first page? Second page. 704 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:34,079 Um I guess my first question on it when I'm going down is the concrete pad. Is 705 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,400 that to put the bin on in the new uh takeoff area that we have down by the 706 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,400 mailboxes? 707 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:46,920 Um through you, Mr. Chair. I'm going to actually ask Mr. Lenny to address that 708 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,920 question. 709 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:55,760 » Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Yes, that's exactly um the proposal for the pad is 710 00:55:51,839 --> 00:56:01,760 to um have a bin area and then a safe secure area for offloading. um at this 711 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:07,520 time with the uh the weeds and the gravel at this time it gets very um 712 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:12,160 slippery and I guess messy for lack of a better term. So looking to uh clean that 713 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:16,640 area up and uh make it safer for the operators and aesthetically um nicer uh 714 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,599 for the area. >> So the the actual concrete pad's not for 715 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,960 the actual bin. It's just for the area. >> No, it will encompass the it will for 716 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:29,040 the bin to sit on as well. Yeah, >> it will. Okay. It'll put the bin across 717 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:32,960 and I guess we'll get that price after. Um, also, was there an issue with the 718 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:35,680 flooding there? Is that kind of why we're doing that? From what I 719 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:39,359 understand, you guys were underwater there for a while, right? 720 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,880 » Um, yes. I can't really speak exactly to the flooding. Um, I have only been here 721 00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:48,480 four weeks, but by the time that I have spent down there, um, every time I've 722 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:52,799 been down there, there is, um, standing water. Um, I wouldn't say it's flooded 723 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:58,880 out, but it's definitely standing water um, and mud. 724 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:04,839 All right. Um, do you want me to just keep going down? 725 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:04,839 Like I've got another question. Um, 726 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,559 so this I guess I'm talking about the study. This is what Laura was talking 727 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:20,559 about. This is the study that we would be looking at doing the condition of the 728 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,480 canals regarding depth, aquatic growth, species, so on and so forth. We have 729 00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:27,520 done studies like that before. or do we have that information that we can 730 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:32,559 utilize like I know there was a massive one done 731 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:37,760 by the college uh back I don't know eight years ago seven years ago 732 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:42,799 » through you Mr. chair. Yes, we do have those th that information. Uh what we're 733 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:49,040 looking to do is make sure that it is up to date. Uh like with most studies um 734 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:53,599 and including uh the discussion with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans uh 735 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:58,880 regarding our operations this year, having that information that's up to 736 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:05,280 date um is really important for us to be able to show uh with evidence and data 737 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:09,839 uh what we're looking at and what we're proposing to do. and what the impact is 738 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:13,920 going to be. Uh so there is information available to us. it doesn't answer all 739 00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:18,640 of our questions that we're looking at and that's where this study would be 740 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:26,799 more of a comprehensive again giving us targeting um monitoring programs so that 741 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:33,920 we can benchmark um I know even thinking about discussions that uh I've had um at 742 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:39,040 various times about uh depth of the lagoons and dredging operations and uh 743 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:46,079 items like that. That's what I I want to take that all into consideration into 744 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:51,680 one one study. Um and also this is where we would also consider 745 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:57,119 uh what technologies are available for pumps um for water movers um making sure 746 00:58:55,200 --> 00:59:02,559 that they're in the best locations and doing um what we need to do. Uh I think 747 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:08,640 it's also important to really characterize with very specific 748 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:14,240 information. for instance, you know, um what what is the goal of um the the 749 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:19,520 goals that we're trying to achieve? So, for instance, with water movers, it's to 750 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:24,000 manage and uh the duckweed growth. Okay. Well, what does it take in order for us 751 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:29,599 to do that? What does that look like? So that in future years, we have that 752 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,359 identifiable target. We can report back to the commission and say we're meeting 753 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:38,000 those targets or we're not meeting those targets and here's why. um and also 754 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:44,640 putting in a monitoring program so that we're clear on 755 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:49,920 um what what we're actually achieving. So it's not just anecdotal. It's not 756 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:54,960 just you know um yourself as the uh chair walking down the road and giving 757 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:59,599 anecdotal evidence. We have a way to measure um and provide that evidence. So 758 00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:03,920 this study would be confirming all of those pieces. I think the past studies 759 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,880 have given components of that but have not been that full breadth and it's 760 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:12,000 important for us to make sure that this is it stays up to date. So we'd be 761 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:15,599 looking at targeting an update to this moving forward probably every 5 years or 762 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:20,400 so. >> So so this study would be strictly 763 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:25,359 Lagoon City like the the canals and so on so forth water quality things like 764 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,480 that or like that's what it's going to include or 765 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,559 » yeah through the chair. Yes, that's correct. it would only be targeting 766 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:37,200 Lagoon City, these canals and the lagoons um and looking at all of the 767 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,480 pieces that go into the maintenance of those canals. 768 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:45,680 » And how much input would the parks and waterways have with all this? Like would 769 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:49,839 we be you would keep us informed at all times on this or uh I guess so because 770 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:54,640 we have to pay for it, right? >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Yes. And I do 771 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:59,680 expect to have engagement as part of it. That's where um we will be needing to 772 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:04,240 set what those goals are. What are those performance targets? What are we looking 773 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:09,839 for um and then there'll be uh recommendations that come back uh out of 774 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:14,640 that. So there will be um ongoing discussions as well as probably some 775 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:18,880 community engagement as as what I see as part of this study. 776 01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:24,079 » And when will we expect to see this? >> So um I'm expect so this is an ask for 777 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:29,200 2027. uh as soon as budget is approved for 778 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:34,240 2027, we can start that. I am expecting that it will take at least three or four 779 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:39,359 seasons dep because of the data that we're asking for them to be collecting. 780 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:45,760 Um and so that would be where it would likely take the entirety of 2027 to do 781 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:49,760 the work um and then come back in 2028 with uh recommendations. 782 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:53,440 » Excellent. Okay. Um Commissioner Hart. 783 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:56,720 » Yeah. U thank thanks Laura. I think this uh study is important. I I just missed 784 01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:01,760 the first part. Who's actually going to be conducting the study? Uh how is that 785 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:05,200 going to work out? >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair, we would need 786 01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:11,040 to go through our procurement channels for that. So, it's not um we haven't 787 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:15,680 decided any of that yet. We would go out to market and we would also be looking 788 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:19,839 at leveraging some of those educational institutions potentially uh for 789 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,520 partnerships for some of the data gathering as well. Um, but I do 790 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,640 anticipate that there will be paid consultants as part of this as well. 791 01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:31,440 » Excellent. Thank you. Anybody else have anything on this page? Uh, mayor. 792 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,520 » Well, I don't know if it's on this page, but we were talking about the movers 793 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:39,839 here. So, if we are looking at do we need to increase the budget to look at 794 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:43,200 new movers, quieter movers. Where do you want to see that? because we did have 795 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:47,040 that discussion earlier that rather than just keep throwing money at these ones, 796 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:52,559 we start researching for something quieter. 797 01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:56,799 » Um through you, Mr. Chair, I would suggest that yes, we do increase the 798 01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:01,680 budget specifically for those, especially if the commission is looking 799 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:07,760 to potentially purchase >> um new pumps in 2027 as opposed to 800 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:13,520 waiting for 2028. Um my recommendation would be to 801 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:18,880 increase the study budget by $25,000 or sorry by $10,000. 802 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:24,240 Um and potentially add another line item for water mover pumps 803 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:31,200 in an amount that the commissions these appropriate um for the size of these 804 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:36,240 pumps without looking what technology is out there on the market. I would say 805 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:43,680 somewhere between um 30 to 50,000 per pump would be uh on 806 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:46,960 par what I would expect to pay. >> And I would expect as part of that would 807 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,240 be loc because I don't know if there was ever a study done on the location where 808 01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:54,559 they sit. I I think probably 20 30 years ago they said, "Well, there's duckweed 809 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,280 here, put a pump there, and there's duckweed there. Put a pump there." 810 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,319 » I asked that question, Kathy [laughter] Wayman. She said there was 811 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:03,359 » Well, there was a exactly where it was supposed to go. I think it came from the 812 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,440 engineers. Okay. I asked her, "Why don't we just move it here? Do that." She 813 01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:07,920 said, "You can't do that." >> All right. Okay. 814 01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:12,480 » That's what she told me. But I I wonder your pumps. So, 30,000 to 50,000. These 815 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:18,079 uh other pumps that don't work so well were close to 50,000. Were they not 816 01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:23,200 » through you, Mr. Chair? I'm not sure what those prices were. Um what the cost 817 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:28,160 of those previous pumps were. I just know the market for this type of pump is 818 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:29,839 isn't around that area for that size. Yeah. 819 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:34,000 » Yeah. I would like to see it a bit higher than that. Yeah. But yeah, it's 820 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,480 cuz I'm almost puzzled. It's 45,000 when I think about it. I 821 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:40,720 » I think you're right. I would I would air on the side of caution say 120 for 822 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,319 the two pumps and then we can always I mean it's a savings at the end of the 823 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:48,400 day. It just goes >> into reserves, right? 824 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:53,400 » So $120,000 for water mover pump. Okay. 825 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,400 » Yeah. 826 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,799 » Well, I want to sort of stop spending money on this. I think it's a lost 827 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:03,680 cause. I think it's time that we cut our col our and see if anybody's in the 828 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:08,160 market for some uh hardly used used pumps, right? 829 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:12,640 Um does anybody else got anything on this page two? Because that's where I 830 01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:18,400 was at there. No, we're all done there. Um I got nothing on page three. Now I'm 831 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:24,760 right into this um I guess the beginning of the budget 832 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,760 starting with revenues. 833 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,520 Um, 834 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:36,480 that's the last one thing. Anybody would like to start, we'll do this page. You 835 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,079 can start from the top and come down. Um, 836 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:45,039 I guess my question is there's something here. Why why is this lower? Just trying 837 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:48,039 to figure this number out. Hold on a second. 838 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,839 Here 839 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,319 it is. Here the actual. 840 01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:04,359 Okay. 841 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:08,400 Sorry, mayor. If you want to go. I just have my head down. 842 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,880 » I'm not in the revenues. I'm on the expenses. I just 843 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,319 » You're jumping ahead on us here. >> Are you want the revenue? You want to 844 01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:16,720 stay there? I'm just on the same page. Just uh 845 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:24,319 » Yeah, just Yeah. On the page. >> Yeah. on uh so legal expenses uh you 846 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:28,799 know 20,000 in 2024 we used 19 uh 20,000 last year of course we went over budget 847 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:34,880 uh last year we budgeted 20,000 we've used close to eight so why are we only 848 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:40,000 budgeting 2,000 for next year for legals that seems right 849 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:44,720 » through you uh Mr. Chair, the legal budget has been proposed by our new the 850 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:51,839 township's new in-house legal department. He's uh reconfiguring how 851 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:57,680 the legal will be um divvied up between the different areas. And at this point, 852 01:06:54,559 --> 01:07:03,240 uh the expectation having cleared some of the past legal matters that $2,000 is 853 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,240 appropriate. 854 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:10,240 I I guess my concern I don't want to be the devil's advocate but we know we're 855 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:14,160 doing the study and part of it and we're going to have an open house I think in 856 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:17,520 Lun City later this month and it'll go off to a consultant who's going to bring 857 01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:20,640 back recommendations. We don't have no idea what those recommendations are 858 01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:23,680 going to be. We have no idea what council's going to do with those 859 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:27,680 recommendations like council we we've done efficiency studies in the past 860 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:32,000 where yes we've put some of the things in place but not others. 861 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:36,240 We don't know if they're legal though. >> Well, no. But would parks and waterways 862 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,359 think they might want to get a legal opinion on any changes that are 863 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,480 proposed? >> Well, just so you know, I actually am 864 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,960 proposing that uh through [laughter] parks and waterways people go speak to 865 01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:48,720 their own lawyer. >> Oh, yeah. 866 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:52,720 » So, yeah, you are. That'll be later on. >> So, that's why I'm wondering just in 867 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:56,160 light that there is an efficiency study being done. Changes may be coming 868 01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:00,240 whether or not >> we've always put 20,000. 869 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:04,400 I would not want to see it lowered at this time. Again, I won't be here, but 870 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:08,720 you may want to have a legal opinion on suggested changes that council is 871 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:12,240 deciding to make that that >> I agree with you. Actually, I'd marked 872 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,400 it. >> So, what do you want to bring it up to? 873 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,200 Back to what it was >> back to the 20, I think. 874 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:28,719 » Oh, yeah. >> Okay. So, we're going to So, are you is 875 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:34,159 someone going to track that for us then? Okay, Rebecca. Perfect. So, we're going 876 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:38,880 to increase that to 20 then. Um, I guess I guess my question too was going back 877 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:47,040 to staff wages and expenses. The actual in 2026 is 130,000 and now in 878 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:50,960 2027 it's jumped to 250. That's a fair jump. I was just c Oh, sorry. I got 879 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:55,279 Laura's hand up. You're stepping ahead of you time. 880 01:08:52,799 --> 01:09:05,359 The 2026 actuals are not on this schedule. That's the 2025 actual. Um, 881 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:12,159 and so 2026 budget was 20 225,500 and we're going to 230,000. So it's a 882 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:16,159 small increase. Um, and the the actuals for 2026 will be on the most recent 883 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:22,960 report. You'd have to add up all the wages and and staff, but I did do that 884 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:26,839 as preparation. And we are on R for the spend of 225,400. 885 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:34,159 » Okay. I thought 20256. >> It It says 2027 pro proposed is 250. Is 886 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,000 that what you're talking about? >> Oh, she did. Okay. I didn't miss that. 887 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,640 » She corrected it back to 230 at the start. 888 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,640 » Okay. Gotcha. 889 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:53,199 » Okay. Got that. All right. That was good. That's good. Um the actual levy 890 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:56,800 That's where I was on. I just was curious why it bounces 891 01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:00,719 around. We should be almost dead on that level, right? 892 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:05,600 Okay. Doesn't matter then. Anything else on that page for anybody? 893 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:10,159 No. Okay. Let's go to the next page. If you see we miss anything, Laura or um 894 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:16,679 the I guess the treasure or not the treasury but the other lady there. Um 895 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,679 next [sighs] one. 896 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:27,480 No, I'm good with that. With that pontoon boat, that's 897 01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:36,159 um $3,500 for the pontoon. Laura, um that is there something wrong with it or 898 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:42,159 or it's just maintenance? 3500 >> uh through Mr. Chair. Yes, that's just 899 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:47,679 maintenance. Um, and I just realized that uh number 41, 900 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:50,679 the harvester, uh, that should be at 15,000 901 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,920 to match the other harvester. >> 41, right? 902 01:10:56,719 --> 01:11:00,920 » Yes. Correct. >> Okay. 903 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:08,560 Again, you're getting that, Rebecca, right? 904 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:12,120 Anything else on that page? 905 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:16,520 No. There. 906 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,640 » I'm at account subscription building. 907 01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:32,320 » Before we go on to account, >> you want to go back to 908 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:35,520 » Well, I just didn't see it. I thought we continue on, but the one expense I'm not 909 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:40,480 seeing Laura is drudging. So, are we done judging now where there's no more 910 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:43,600 planned or to do in the future? >> Uh, through you, Mr. Chair, that is 911 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:50,159 correct. At this point, there's no planned judging. Um, we had completed 912 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:55,120 the outstanding judging that had been proposed from 2023, I believe. Um, and 913 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:59,679 again, I'm hoping that that study that we'd conduct next year would inform what 914 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:05,120 future dredging would be required. >> Thank you. So the dredging that um Bob 915 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:11,440 had done many many well I guess you said 2023 right um are we still using that or 916 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:14,719 is that now gone to the wayside or is it is because he spent a lot of time 917 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:18,719 measuring he we he measured everything out and that's what we used for the last 918 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:23,840 number of years >> uh through you Mr. chair. No, and that's 919 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:27,679 what my understanding is. So, finally, uh, the last of that dredging was 920 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:32,880 completed in 2025. And so, I believe we had completed all 921 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:39,520 of the required dredging. That information would be provided to the um, 922 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:43,679 whoever the consultant would be for the study to make sure that it's taken into 923 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:49,640 consideration going forward as well as providing us with that plan for future 924 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,640 judging. 925 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:57,040 Did you have any more questions back there? No. 926 01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:02,880 » Oh, no. No problem. Any anybody else has have any here? 927 01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:08,239 Okay. So, I'm out on the last page now. Oh, no. Second page before I get 928 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:11,040 um so does anybody have any question on 929 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:17,880 accounts description, building maintenance? 930 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,880 Pretty straightforward there. Um, 931 01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:27,040 » no. Okay, we'll go to capital >> before we go to capital. So, I'm showing 932 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:30,880 we've changed the budget by 13,000. Is that correct? Not counting the water 933 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:35,520 movers. I assume they go under capital because I believe you gave us a 934 01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:39,920 correction at the start of 15,000 and then you just added 10 to the one 935 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:44,320 boat and we added 18 for the legal. So, is that where we are? We've increased 936 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:49,040 the budget by 13,000 I think. Does that change 937 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:51,920 uh our levy or anything that 13,000 or is that just going to come out of 938 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:55,600 transfers >> through you? I believe that would come 939 01:13:53,760 --> 01:14:00,800 out of the transfer to reserve. That's where we would balance from. We're still 940 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:06,320 not in a significant expense that would impact that we have a uh a balance going 941 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:09,120 to the reserve for 2027. >> We've changed at 13K that I could tell. 942 01:14:08,811 --> 01:14:12,719 [laughter] >> Yeah, Rebecca's tracking that. Carly, 943 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,440 did you have something you wanted to say? 944 01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:21,120 through you, Mr. Chair. There was discussion about $120,000 for water 945 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:24,159 mover pumps. I didn't in my sheet. I wasn't sure if that was already there or 946 01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:29,199 if there was a change, just that there was discussion and I'm uncertain how 947 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:34,239 that impacted the budget. >> So, that would be a new ask, uh, Ms. 948 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:38,640 Fischer. And so that would impact the amount going to the reserve, but we 949 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:42,239 would still have at this point it's still a surplus that we would be 950 01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:49,440 transferring into the reserve, just a smaller amount. Yeah. So right now I'm 951 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:54,719 calculating a approximately $133,000 reduction to the transfer to reserves. 952 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:58,560 So the existing 350 less 133 approximate. So then the 953 01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:04,480 existing transfer to reserves is approximately 217,000. 954 01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:10,719 How how much we take off the 350 130. Is that what you said? 955 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:15,440 » I don't I I can try to review the minutes um after the meeting's done, but 956 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:21,480 based on what I've heard, it sounds like $133,000 957 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,480 reduction in the transfer to reserves. 958 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:28,640 » We just did a $13,000 change here plus 120 for the water movers would be 133. 959 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:32,000 » And those are all capital, right? >> No, only the water movers. Would they 960 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:37,360 not, Carly? [clears throat] Would the water movers not be under capital or 961 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:42,400 what line were we getting? Yes. >> Uh, I I believe they would be under 962 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:47,840 capital. Yes. Um, however, that would still impact the net levy requirement 963 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,960 from LCPW. It would have an impact on LCPW's reserves. 964 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,760 » Yeah. >> Okay. So, did that come off our the 965 01:15:53,440 --> 01:16:01,480 transfer reserves 13? Did it go into capital? 966 01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,480 » Yeah. Where are we putting water? 967 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,679 Sorry, turn your mic on. I can't hear the 968 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:11,679 » Oh, sorry. I thought it was on. I shut it off. Where did we put the 120 for the 969 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:15,440 water movers? Is that going to go in capital now as a new line? 970 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:20,280 » Correct. Yes, that's what I've proposed. It'll be a new capital project. 971 01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,280 » Right. 972 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,080 » Okay. Okay, so now we're at the capital. 973 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:39,320 So just just put my head down here. Look at this one. 974 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,040 So 975 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:57,520 » Okay. So, um, deputy mayor, >> what all has to be done with the kiosk? 976 01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:01,280 I I understand there's a quite a bit of upgrades that had to be done to that 977 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:06,679 Laura or through the chair to Laura. Um is 165 going to be anywhere near what we 978 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,679 need for that? 979 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:15,199 » Um through you, Mr. Chair. That was the proposal that we've put in. Uh we've 980 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,600 earmarked for it. I believe there's some electrical work and some door work as 981 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:24,640 well as some structural repairs. Uh and we do think that that's going to be 982 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:30,239 adequate. We also suspect that there is also an underground water line that 983 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:35,360 needs to be repaired um that's providing potable water to the kiosk. Um and that 984 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:42,159 that will be a significant portion of the 16,000 proposed. Um 985 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:47,199 we're we're hopeful that that is adequate for the repairs that are 986 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,800 necessary. Uh we don't have any firm quotes though on that. 987 01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:54,159 That's why we couldn't get Georgia College carpentry or something to do 988 01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:58,400 bring some students and do some project on it. 989 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:02,960 It's pretty tough to do that though in public. 990 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:06,159 Um I I as far as I'm concerned the kiosk we should just maintain it for now 991 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:10,000 because we're not really using it. But I think in the future it'll be used. It's 992 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:15,280 not something we want to fall down. We all agree with that. 993 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:20,000 Um when I the clean flow system here, this $55,000, 994 01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:26,880 right? That's what we had budgeted um I guess 2026. You just want to increase it 995 01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:31,520 by another 10,000 and up to 65,000. >> We we can if that's what the commission 996 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:36,640 » No, it says here 65,000 your proposed budget. So 997 01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:41,679 » I I I guess what I'm asking is what what are actual what do we plan on 998 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:45,360 doing like for $65,000? Like what's left that we have to do? 999 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:51,120 I'd have to pull the maps and I don't have that um with me at this moment. I 1000 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:56,320 increased it to $65,000 just to account for inflation over the time period from 1001 01:18:53,679 --> 01:19:03,600 the original quotes from 2020 >> uh 4 or 2025 budget preparation in for 1002 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:08,239 2026. So that was why I added 10,000 was just to account for inflation. 1003 01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:11,360 » Um Carly, did you want to say something to that? 1004 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,920 No, when I see you appear there, normally you want to say something 1005 01:19:13,389 --> 01:19:17,360 [laughter] >> through you, Mr. Chair. No, I I just 1006 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,520 turned my video back on. I didn't have any additional comments at this time. Um 1007 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:26,320 I I guess really what we need to do is um for the 65,000 we probably could do 1008 01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:30,960 the extension from the um two pumps that are on Turtle right now because that was 1009 01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:37,679 our next step because um I was trying to figure out why there was no um uh clean 1010 01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:42,400 flow, no bubblers um across from the um the the sailboats and I think that's 1011 01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:46,560 what we've been waiting for. And that expansion all that includes are pipes 1012 01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:50,239 and diffusers. There's no pump houses or anything we have to get. we can go on 1013 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:54,320 the existing um pumps that are there and that would give us enough to connect to 1014 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,679 there and then connect back up towards the inn and we would have that and the 1015 01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:04,000 only thing that would be left would be Gondola Lagoon from Popppler down to uh 1016 01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:08,159 um the end um to South Island Trail to the bridge. That would be it. And then 1017 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:12,480 the marina those only spots we have left to really look at and I think you 1018 01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:17,120 probably only need one more house maybe if we're a little bit of luck or maybe 1019 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:20,880 another house along Gondola. So that's really what we're looking at right now. 1020 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:25,520 But are we going to talk about that at a later date then or uh more what we're 1021 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:30,159 going to do next >> through you, Mr. Chair? Yes. That's the 1022 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:34,159 idea is that we'll put in $65,000 that will allow for us to do some of the 1023 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:40,800 expansion work and we'll bring forward what the plan will be um at a later date 1024 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:44,400 for it depicting exactly what we're proposing for each year. 1025 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:48,880 » And I'm going to go backwards now. Um what about the treatments that we've 1026 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:52,960 done with the um the the bubbler system, the clean flow system? You're examining 1027 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:58,560 all of that. Do we have money built in for that this year 1028 01:20:54,640 --> 01:21:01,520 » if we decide to re renew our treatments >> uh through you, Mr. Chair? Yes. That was 1029 01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:04,080 still incorporated as part of the budget. 1030 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:07,679 » Do you know when you're going to have um that finished that we know if not we're 1031 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:12,159 going to continue treatments? >> Uh it's still under review at this time. 1032 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:15,440 » It's under review. Okay. So you don't have it's gone to the government. So, 1033 01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,080 uh, to the ministry and so on and so forth. 1034 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,000 » We're we're reviewing it internally first and so and then we'll reach out to 1035 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:25,360 any partners that we need to. So, >> okay. But again, did I don't know if I 1036 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,960 heard do we have money in for the treatments or 1037 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,920 » we didn't adjust the budget to to not treat for it? So, that should still be 1038 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:40,920 in the budget. Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted to confirm that. Um, 1039 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,920 temple insurancees. 1040 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:49,040 Um, do we have a rough idea what the labor charge is like the town like for 1041 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:52,960 what we're being built for everything here on this? Is there rough numbers on 1042 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:58,560 that yet or do I see them? Because I know it started off at around 220 and I 1043 01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:05,360 know last year um Gail brought it up by another 50,000 60,000. So I'm just 1044 01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:08,960 curious where that number is at now. It's our labor charges. Yeah. 1045 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:14,320 » Our staff wages and expenses are proposed to be 230,000 for 2027. 1046 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:17,840 » It's 230 then. >> Yes. 1047 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:21,040 » Okay. Because I know it was that and I support Gail said it was be there was 1048 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:26,480 going to be an increase of almost 50,000. 1049 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:34,159 » So 2026's budget. So 2025's budget for staff wages was 173,000. 1050 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:42,320 2026 we changed it to 225,400 and for 2027 it's 230,000 1051 01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:46,000 » 230 okay is that that does that include that does include the um the harvesting 1052 01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:48,239 people does it or does that include the harvesting 1053 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:53,560 » that's all staff wages >> everything yes 1054 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,560 » thank you 1055 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:04,560 » okay I'm actually pretty good with all this So, I'm not seeing an increase yet 1056 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:09,120 for any I don't see an increase. >> No, I'm I'm just wondering at some point 1057 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:13,120 in time if if there if would help Laura, should the commission kind of give him 1058 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:16,480 some time to get some capital project ideas for you for building this 10ear 1059 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:19,520 capital? What is should we have a meeting specific to that? Right? Because 1060 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,360 if we're going to build a 10-year planet, then we should be looking at do 1061 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:26,800 we want to add a beach cleaner to it at some point? Start acrewing money so we 1062 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,199 can save up for it. I'm not sure. But what what do the people want to see, 1063 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:32,639 right? >> Well, we roughly did one. I remember 1064 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,840 doing it a few years ago. We roughly did, but there's something out there 1065 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,600 because I remember sitting doing it because we had never had it and we 1066 01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,080 needed I can remember doing it. So, I I don't know where it is. 1067 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,639 » But even for an updated NoCal, we should have anything new that's coming about. 1068 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,440 » But what you're talking about is things we already talked about, right? That 1069 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:52,239 same like we've been talking about that since my first term we looked at. 1070 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,679 » I'm just not sure if Laura has something specific that's actually been put 1071 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,760 together. I'm not sure. I'm assuming she's going to wait for that meeting 1072 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,760 that we're going to talk about right now. 1073 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,360 » Go ahead, Laura. >> Yeah, through you, Mr. Chair. The 1074 01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:07,280 expectation will be that in September, we'll bring it forward and absolutely at 1075 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:12,639 that point we can have the discussion with the commission and determine what 1076 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:18,560 other items need to be added in. We'll put in what we've already understood. Um 1077 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:24,480 and again with us being still uh with a fairly short history of um what's been 1078 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:28,400 done in the past and what we need to do uh we may be missing some things. But 1079 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:31,760 that's where that we're hoping um at that meeting in September then we can 1080 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:36,960 bring that forward and and have those filled in uh to then again go forward 1081 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:40,440 and with a full 10-year plan for council's consideration. 1082 01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,719 » Any other questions on this? 1083 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,480 So, Rebecca, have you got all those numbers that we've talked about because 1084 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,639 that's what's going to come up next, I guess. Right. 1085 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:55,920 » Through the chair. Yes. So, I do have an amendment prepared for the motion uh 1086 01:24:54,480 --> 01:25:00,239 that I we can put on the screen and then we can go through and if the commission 1087 01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:04,320 has any changes uh or if there's anything that you would like um that you 1088 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:08,960 think I've written down uh differently than what 1089 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:12,000 you had thought or you had said. So, let me know. We can make any adjustments to 1090 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:15,199 it. But this is what we currently have drafted. 1091 01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:19,280 That the motion before the commission be amended to make the following changes to 1092 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:24,560 schedules A and B. Schedule A, housekeeping adjustments. Staff wages 1093 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:30,719 and expenses decreased to $230,000. Beach security increased to $15,000. 1094 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:33,920 Schedule B, increase canal/ Lagoon City Condition and maintenance study by 1095 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:40,080 $10,000 to include analysis of technology for water mover pumps. 1096 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:45,520 Schedule Accreased legal fees $20,000. Schedule A number 41 LCBW harvester 1097 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:50,400 increase to $15,000 and schedule B addition of $120,000 for 1098 01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:54,560 new capital project for replacement of water mover pumps. 1099 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:59,040 » What about what we're putting to reserves? Do we do we need that there? 1100 01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:02,719 No. >> Uh through the chair, my understanding 1101 01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:05,520 and if general manager PI or Miss Fischer have anything to add, please 1102 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:09,360 feel free. But my understanding is that that would be determined based on the 1103 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:12,800 budget. So it's not doesn't have to be a direction of the commission because it 1104 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,080 would be resulting from your overall direction for the budget. 1105 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:19,679 » But if there's any substantial change, we'll be fully aware of it then. Okay. 1106 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:25,120 Yeah, we need to know that for sure. Yeah. All right. Perfect. 1107 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:29,600 Any discussion? So >> now I guess 1108 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:34,480 who I heard somebody talk. >> Uh yes, sorry through you, Mr. Chair. Um 1109 01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:38,239 I apologize, Miss Clerk. Uh was the adjustment for the legal expenses on 1110 01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:42,000 there as well? the 18,000 1111 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:48,719 » through the chair. I do have Yes. increase the legal fees line to $20,000 1112 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:53,120 total. So the $2,000 plus the 18. Yes. >> So I guess my question now and this is 1113 01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:57,120 probably to you guys like if there's an election coming and you can't do your 1114 01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:01,360 budget till after the election. Why are we zipping in because this is not going 1115 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:04,639 to be okay after the election. Correct. >> Well, it's 1116 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:08,639 kind of kind of going to do the same at the county too. to try and get a 1117 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:12,719 preliminary budget to put it forward for the new mayor to come in to look at, 1118 01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:16,480 right? Because it's it's the mayor that does the budgets now. So, at least 1119 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:20,080 you've presented it. Here it is. This is what we'd want. There's something there 1120 01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,560 for staff to organize the whole thing and then it's presented to the mayor at 1121 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,120 that time. Right. >> So, we have a doover right up till 1122 01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:27,520 October then. >> Yeah. Yeah. We could keep amending it. 1123 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:31,520 Yeah. >> Oh, sorry, Laura. 1124 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:36,400 » Uh through you. Yes. I don't know that finance appreciates us. keep amending it 1125 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:41,280 as we're going. But it is gonna it is a living document. A budget is our our 1126 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:45,600 forecast and our best plan. Um the idea that we're working on it now is so that 1127 01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:53,120 it is still ready on the normal time frame that we would have uh in a non 1128 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:58,800 election year so that whenever the new um mayor is elected uh and we have this 1129 01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:05,040 information available and ready to go as soon as possible. We don't want to delay 1130 01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:09,360 the approval of the budget um further into the year as possible because that 1131 01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:13,600 means projects are delayed uh procurement is delayed and it can limit 1132 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:17,679 what we can purchase operationally. So we want to have this uh all buttoned up 1133 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:22,639 and ready and again it's a typical schedule for us to keep in a 1134 01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:27,440 non-election year as well. >> So then we if we have any issues with 1135 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:32,080 our budget then we have a last chance to take a look at it. Um, I believe now 1136 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:36,880 that we're changing our meeting till a October 6th or 7th or something. All 1137 01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:39,679 right. So, I I'm going to probably ask to take one more look at the budget 1138 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:44,239 then. >> Yeah. We'll see it coming on, right? 1139 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:48,400 Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, it makes I don't feel so like to 1140 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:51,199 me I gota like normally I like to go home and think about this because this 1141 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:55,840 has been kind of rushed. I didn't see this till Tuesday. So I was up late last 1142 01:28:53,600 --> 01:29:01,360 night and uh when I hit that report from the uh the engineers that that was it 1143 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:05,920 for me 11 o'clock my brain was fried. So anyways if we could if I would suggest 1144 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:09,600 get the updated version even for the next meeting so that it's just there you 1145 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:15,600 know as information because we do make some changes here. 1146 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:18,400 » Okay. So with that all in favor >> uh through the chair. So, I'll just need 1147 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,840 a mover and a seconder for that amendment. If you were okay with those 1148 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:26,080 lists of adjustments, the schedules A and B, and then we would have a final 1149 01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:28,880 vote on the motion as amended. So, if you're okay with that list, we can put 1150 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,840 it on the screen again. I'll just need a mover and a seconder for this as an 1151 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:35,199 amendment. >> So, I need a mover and a second or do I 1152 01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,880 not just talk to the mover and a seconder and see if they're okay with 1153 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,480 this? >> Uh, no. Through the chair, we have an 1154 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:44,000 original mover and a seconder for the original motion, but this is an 1155 01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:46,880 amendment to the original motion. So, we need another mover and a seconder for 1156 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,719 the amendment. >> Okay. 1157 01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:54,639 So, somebody to put that uh you want to read it again or no, we already saw it 1158 01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:59,120 or >> Okay, we no need to put on the floor. Um 1159 01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:04,679 somebody put on the floor for me. Um deputy mayor, second by the mayor. All 1160 01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,679 in favor? 1161 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:10,719 » Now, we'll go back to the other one. Um I've already got a mover and a seconder 1162 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,719 » to the chair. That's correct. So, this would just be a vote to adopt the 1163 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:20,400 original motion as amended. >> Okay. And that's okay for whoever put on 1164 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:23,560 I guess whoever did it. All in favor? That's pass. 1165 01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:34,520 Okay. 8.1 Rebecca 1166 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,840 uh through the chair. So this is another one where we would be looking for 1167 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:45,120 direction from the commission and this is regarding the October uh 2026 meeting 1168 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:49,600 date. So currently we just have that the commission provide direction on the 1169 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:54,000 scheduled meeting date for October 2026. Um we did originally have this scheduled 1170 01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:58,159 for October 8th and we are going to be commentering the council chambers on 1171 01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:00,639 that day for the voting period. Uh so this was just seeking the commission's 1172 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:05,360 direction on how you would like to proceed with the October meeting. If you 1173 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:09,679 would like to meet uh earlier uh or if you have another direction, please let 1174 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:17,199 us know and we can make that happen. >> I'll put on the floor. Um deputy mayor 1175 01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:22,320 second by uh >> we're county on the six both of us. 1176 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:28,080 Second by Mark. Uh I'm sorry, Commissioner L. 1177 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:31,280 » It can't be first thing basis. I like the six actually. You want to make it 1178 01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:35,120 look cal. >> Yeah, except both uh the deputy mayor 1179 01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:42,280 and I are at county. >> Well, one of you can skip. [laughter] 1180 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,280 » Well, I know I can't. 1181 01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:59,840 Okay. I think we got to do it before. Do you have dates for us to look at, um, 1182 01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:03,639 Rebecca? Because I know we got to, um, get this room right. 1183 01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:11,840 » Uh, we do have a calendar. uh or if the commission prefers we could if you give 1184 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:15,520 us direction during this meeting send out kind of a calendar poll following 1185 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:19,280 the meeting and see if there's a compatible date for all. If you prefer 1186 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:24,000 to check your calendars now we can do so as well. We have a calendar for this 1187 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:28,239 room the council chambers. Uh it's available 1188 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:32,920 uh various dates before October 7th. It won't be available post October 7th 1189 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:41,760 » the 29th. Well, I could come. Yeah, if it's a 1190 01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:46,719 short meeting, that'll be >> What about the first? 1191 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:50,000 » I can't attend the first time out of the country. 1192 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:56,080 » That's a happy face. I don't want the first, but I'm available the second, 1193 01:32:53,840 --> 01:33:03,040 » but yeah, we can do the 29th. >> What's What do you like? 1194 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:06,239 » 9th. The 29th. What about you? Actually, everybody's nodding on the 29th. What 1195 01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:08,400 about you're good with that >> through the chair? Yes, we can make that 1196 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,400 work. >> I can sorry 1197 01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:15,639 » through the chair. Yes, we can make September 29th work. 1198 01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:15,639 » Um, 1199 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:24,280 » so they're looking direction. So, our direction will be to um meet on the 1200 01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:24,280 right at 9:30. 1201 01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:36,280 No, that's right after the election. I'm gone. 1202 01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:44,440 Okay. Um, we'll let um Rebecca put that up. 1203 01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:07,920 through the chair. So, the motion um before the commission is that the 1204 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,280 October 20 26 commission meeting be moved to September 29th, 2026 at 9:30 1205 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:18,000 a.m. >> Um the the people that put that on the 1206 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:25,040 floor, you're okay with that? Okay. All in favor? 1207 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:29,679 That's all. Yeah, we did. Didn't Yeah. I try to that first. I don't forget from 1208 01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:36,880 now on. That's why I always do it first. Okay. So 8 um two the we've already done 1209 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:42,800 that so we're going to skip to 8.3. Um 8.3 would be our next one. Rebecca 1210 01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:47,040 » uh through the chair. The motion for 8.3 is that report LC526 1211 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:51,080 regarding operations update for canal maintenance be received as information. 1212 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:57,639 So on the floor, deputy mayor, second by the mayor. 1213 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:24,560 Anybody want to start there? >> Yeah, I see that. So, the review is 1214 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:29,760 valid. So, we're good now for 26 right to 28 operating season. Is it just a is 1215 01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:33,280 it an easier application to renew that now, Laura, moving forward, or would it 1216 01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:38,159 be the same process? We start all over again for another three-year period. 1217 01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:44,000 » Uh through you, Mr. Chair, my understanding is we would we would need 1218 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:48,719 to continue Sorry, it would be similar to what we did this year. So, we would 1219 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:56,400 start um that discussion with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans uh 1220 01:35:51,120 --> 01:36:01,679 ahead of the 2029 season um in order to get the uh approvals and the review 1221 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,360 completed ahead of that. >> Okay. 1222 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,080 » And we weren't too late getting that approval, but probably started earlier 1223 01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:09,520 in the year just to put people's minds at ease that it won't delay that start 1224 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:14,159 again. Okay. Thanks, Laura. >> For sure. 1225 01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:18,000 Um I what's the discussion over the skimming? Like they're not saying yes, 1226 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:22,159 they're not saying no. >> Uh three, Mr. Chair. So they've said 1227 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:27,600 skimming should not occur prior to July 15th window. Um so we are hoping to 1228 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:34,400 discuss with them as we move forward ahead of the operating season of 2027 1229 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:39,120 uh to see if we would be able to do any mitigation or any type of skimming 1230 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:45,679 activities prior to that. Uh but as it stands right now um for 2027 skimming 1231 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:52,560 and harvesting would both initiate at uh July 15th. Um and not none of the 1232 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:55,600 inwater work would begin prior to that. >> What about turning on the water systems? 1233 01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:02,960 They don't have an issue with that at all. The the all our systems the 1234 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:06,639 » part of our discussion with them. >> That's part of the discussion. So you 1235 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:11,800 still have all that to discuss that before. 1236 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,800 Um, 1237 01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:24,480 so they are open to discussion is what you're saying because um the the thing 1238 01:37:22,639 --> 01:37:30,320 I've noticed this year is a lack of fish and minnows and we've we've stopped all 1239 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:33,760 these things and I got to tell you like normally I got minnows swimming across 1240 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,800 the front of my place all the time and I don't see any minnows. I'm as normally 1241 01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,800 when you're in the lake, they're nibbling away on your feet. I don't see 1242 01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:47,040 them anymore and I'm I'm not sure what's happened to them. Uh I I see a bunch of 1243 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:50,639 turtles actually, but then I don't see but I'm just kind of curious. Was there 1244 01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,719 any discussion about that? Like with the lack of fish, do they are they noticing 1245 01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:58,400 it or >> you Mr. Chair, that's not part of the 1246 01:37:56,239 --> 01:38:01,840 discussions with them. They're reviewing when when we put forward our 1247 01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:08,080 application. We're saying this is the work that we're doing. this is the um 1248 01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:11,679 status that we are observing um and then they review that and determine where we 1249 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:15,920 go forward from it. So they're not discussing current states or anything 1250 01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:19,920 like that. This is the hope also though that the study that we've proposed and 1251 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:24,880 it's part of the budget for next year is that they're going to do some of these 1252 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:30,800 species counts and identify what is in the canals and in the lagoons are likely 1253 01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:35,920 to be um so that we can show a positive or negative impact um of of the 1254 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:40,000 operations or of the conditions that are outside of our operations just changes 1255 01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:44,800 in general because again it's a living ecosystem. So those are obviously going 1256 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:49,119 to change uh many different factors influence that. So that's the idea is 1257 01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:55,360 that we would be able to provide them with a lot more evidence-based 1258 01:38:52,000 --> 01:39:01,520 information to help potentially guide uh what we'd be allowed to do or not to do. 1259 01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:06,719 Um and to your comment about are they open for discussions? We we they have 1260 01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:11,760 said yes that we can discuss with them whether it's going to change the outcome 1261 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:16,239 or not. that's where I wouldn't be able to speak for another agency. So, 1262 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:19,280 » and the people that are discussing it with them is yourself that's who's 1263 01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:24,159 discussing it or do you need assistance from um say experts in different fields 1264 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:27,440 that would help us? >> So, through you Mr. Chair, we're 1265 01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:32,000 starting with ourselves to determine what they would want to see from us. um 1266 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:36,080 what information would be required, what potential mitigations could we put in 1267 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:41,199 place and then we would go from there and we would advise the commission if 1268 01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:43,840 external resources are required but at this point we don't we haven't 1269 01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:47,360 identified that be >> because I guess the argument can go is 1270 01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:50,000 the fact that we are not dealing with anything native in our lagoons 1271 01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:54,000 everything we're dealing with is invasive and there's nothing native in 1272 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:59,679 there at all and that's where I sometimes think they don't look at what 1273 01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:03,040 we're doing as an advantage like just putting the oxygen in the water. It's 1274 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:06,960 got to be great for the fish, right? That's you think for the habitat and 1275 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:10,960 everything that went on and that sort of thing. And when the soldier weave gets 1276 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:14,480 there, the fish won't be swimming in there till we cut out that stuff and get 1277 01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:18,960 it out to allow them to get in there. So, it's just I and I guess I see all 1278 01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:22,719 that then I hear about the uh global warming. Like, should that not be 1279 01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:26,960 changing the fish when they have their their babies? There's so many things 1280 01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:30,400 going on here. I hope that our our agencies out there are paying attention 1281 01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:35,520 to this and they can work with us on this and maybe we can help them with 1282 01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:39,600 what we're doing. So that's my little speech. 1283 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:42,880 But anyways, but good report, Laura. I really liked it and I saw your question 1284 01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:47,360 and answers there. I read all that. Yeah. 1285 01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:50,760 » Um does anybody else have any questions for Laura? 1286 01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:56,119 Um I guess all in favor. 1287 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:07,600 » Okay. Now this is the unfinished new business. 1288 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:13,280 Um let's scroll first on that. >> I think Commissioner Hart's on 9.1 1289 01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:18,639 with the South Bridge lighting. We >> Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. I Okay. I'm 1290 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:23,520 sorry. Um Yeah. I'm sorry. My apologies. Okay. Just so I can 1291 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:28,960 It's on the other sheet. It's the one I printed didn't have that. Sorry. Sorry 1292 01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:32,480 there, Commissioner. Um 9.1. Um I don't think I have to put this on 1293 01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:36,639 the floor, do I? Or should I? >> Uh to the chair. There isn't a motion 1294 01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:40,800 associated with it right now. If there is any action to come out of it, we can 1295 01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:45,679 consider that as a motion if needed. >> Okay. 1296 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:51,920 Yeah. Uh chairman uh with regards to the uh south uh foot bridge lighting u that 1297 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:58,320 that's been an issue for the resident of 16 South Island Trail for some time and 1298 01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:06,159 uh as a result they uh that that resident has submitted a report of 1299 01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:11,840 concern on uh July 22nd and uh there has been some action taken from the township 1300 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:18,400 so far. Uh but in the meantime, uh that that light is is works is on and off. Uh 1301 01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:23,600 there there's been times where it's is not on at all. There's times where uh 1302 01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:30,480 there's been uh some lighting between 2 am and 3:30 a.m. and then other times. 1303 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:36,960 So it it needs to be reviewed and when it is working it is it is it is bright 1304 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:44,320 and it's to the point where it could also be considered u a violation on 1305 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:50,560 bylaw in terms of nuisance. the the light the light has to 1306 01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:57,440 be examined and I see uh as a result of uh uh report of concern followup two 1307 01:42:52,960 --> 01:43:02,880 days ago that uh the uh the township is is looking into review of this light. So 1308 01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:07,040 I just want to get on on record chairman that that we're we're looking at this 1309 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:13,840 and the township has taken some action to uh get get this uh resolved. 1310 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:19,280 So do you want to put a motion forward that we request something here? 1311 01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:26,080 » Well, this is where I I need direction by the by this by the commission is the 1312 01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:31,280 the report of concern has been res has been respon the resident had has had a 1313 01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:36,639 response from their their inquiry to report a concern and um the township has 1314 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:40,480 received the request regarding the south footbridge light which has been 1315 01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:43,040 forwarded to the appropriate staff for review. 1316 01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:50,400 That's what's taken place so far. I just want to be ensured by the commission uh 1317 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:55,360 that that uh this this will be followed up on and and and and it appears it is 1318 01:43:53,280 --> 01:44:01,520 » also the town's following up on because there's a lot of um u back like I know 1319 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:05,360 this was the same thing happened a couple years ago and there was a full 1320 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:09,600 report done on it. there was pricing done uh all different types of lights 1321 01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:13,840 and everything and uh I think you were here even in the mayor you guys were 1322 01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:16,560 both there when we talked about that. So maybe you should pull that information 1323 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:20,560 out because it could save you a lot of time, right? Like that report and bring 1324 01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:25,600 it all out, take a look and bring it back maybe to the commission. Take 1325 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:28,639 another look at um I know when um Commissioner Hart told me about I went 1326 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:32,000 over there, I could never find the lights on and that's just a couple doors 1327 01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:36,639 from I was down there and the lights were never on. So I I have you ever seen 1328 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:41,520 the lights on, Commissioner? Uh yes, chairman. I've been there uh when I've 1329 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:48,800 seen the lights on and it it is definitely a nuisance for the resident 1330 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:53,280 of 16 South Southern uh trail and um I I think if this gets reviewed, let let's 1331 01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:56,239 take a take a look at it. It's action has to be taken on terms of the 1332 01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:58,800 intensity of the light, but it's got to be consistent. 1333 01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:02,480 » I just don't understand why the light's not going on and off. That that's there 1334 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:07,199 that's a problem that's got to be out. >> Yeah. 1335 01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:10,000 » Okay. So, um, it's being looked after. So, I don't have the motion on the floor 1336 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,960 right now. You want to bring it up the next meeting? 1337 01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:15,280 » We'll we'll follow up on this on on the next meeting. If we can we can end it at 1338 01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:19,040 that. Yeah, >> I'd be happy with that. Thank you. Thank 1339 01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,920 you, chairman. >> The next one you got is nine. I'm going 1340 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:25,440 to leave you right on the hot seat now. Uh, 9.2. That's your thought. 1341 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:32,000 » So, the other one [snorts] is is regarding uh beach security. it it's 1342 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:40,719 come to my attention and and others that that lack of security on certain dates 1343 01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:49,360 and um I had the uh the benefit of of of talking to the uh the manager of of 1344 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:54,719 uh Brian Brainer and uh Brian uh reached out to me and offered an opportunity for 1345 01:45:51,760 --> 01:46:01,679 me to meet with him and uh a representative of 247 Guard. Uh we did 1346 01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:05,840 this last Friday and uh uh I was happy to uh have an opportunity to meet with 1347 01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:11,600 Brian. Brian's already identified the problem and has already created a 1348 01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:15,040 solution and uh I'm satisfied as as a member of the commission that that 1349 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:19,760 they're moving forward on this. So when we did meet with the guard uh we were 1350 01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:24,400 assured that he would be working as per the contract and it's and it's also my 1351 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:31,360 understanding that we're not going to be charged for those days. August 1 weekend 1352 01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:34,719 for example where uh they uh July first weekend they they didn't show up. So 1353 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:40,880 there are a few days that they they didn't show up and that that's been 1354 01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:47,920 that's been corrected. Um and as a followup uh I I know that he was working 1355 01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:52,320 on the Saturday and uh and one family was approached where was the wristband 1356 01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:56,639 and the wristband was in place and they gave it up and they they allowed the the 1357 01:46:54,320 --> 01:47:02,719 rest of the family to participate. So sec beach security is important. it it's 1358 01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:07,600 got to be uh used in proper patrols. And uh when I met with with with Brian and 1359 01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:12,239 the security guard, it was Brian's clearly uh pointed out the the 1360 01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:17,199 responsibilities and expectations that uh that that uh we expect and and I'm 1361 01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:23,280 I'm happy to report that they're they're being met at this point. There was some 1362 01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:29,280 discussion though of of having uh two security guards and uh I guess that's 1363 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:33,760 for discussion some other time but uh as long as we uh you know have one security 1364 01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:40,400 guard meeting the contractual obligations and uh I I think as a 1365 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:44,960 commission we're satisfied with that. Um, the one thing I would tell you, 1366 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:50,400 you'd mentioned to me about the two. Um, I I thought that we had two and we'd 1367 01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:53,520 always went out like for two. So, I phoned another commissioner who was like 1368 01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:56,320 involved in all. He said, "Absolutely. There's always two." He says, "This 1369 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:59,440 time's only one." >> Well, chairman, if you look back at at 1370 01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:04,960 the budget two years ago, it was $25,000. Now, it was $10,000. So, that's 1371 01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:09,840 why I raised it uh uh earlier during this meeting. And uh that's something 1372 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:14,639 that's open for discussion. Even if we had just but the one if we had one 1373 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:20,960 security officer back and forth with each beach and uh uh and and and during 1374 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:29,600 the next contract agreement we we just don't go for the the the the cheapest uh 1375 01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:34,480 u sec security uh company available. So u but I I I'm really impressed with what 1376 01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:39,040 Brian's done so far. obviously identified the problem, got ahead of it, 1377 01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:43,199 and so far it's meeting a contractual obligation. 1378 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:46,000 » Did you want to say something, Laura? I saw it pop out. You just turn to your 1379 01:48:44,639 --> 01:48:49,199 mind. >> Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Yeah, I just 1380 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:53,679 wanted to remind the commission that we are bound by our procurement policy and 1381 01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:58,960 we do need to follow that um with all purchases including beach security. We 1382 01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:04,080 can look at um ensuring that there's it's not just price that is part of the 1383 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:09,119 consideration. Um, and I did want to remind you that we did increase that to 1384 01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:13,119 15,000 for 2027 as part of those previous discussions. 1385 01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:17,600 » Thank you. >> Well, on behalf of what um, Commissioner 1386 01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:24,800 Art was saying, the other issue is is the the gate with all of that. And 1387 01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:28,400 » yes, the so to follow up on on I think there's been some correction on that as 1388 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:33,040 well. There's that the gate and the gate we're referring to is what used to be 1389 01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:37,600 pier one and it's a gate that goes on on the on the south beach but leads along 1390 01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:43,520 uh the canal path to the pumping station. And it's my understanding 1391 01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:48,159 talking to uh uh my understanding that uh the gate is is open because people 1392 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:51,600 have to have access to the pumping station and they're back and forth 1393 01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:55,119 throughout the day and and sometimes it's a little difficult to keep it 1394 01:49:52,800 --> 01:50:02,560 locked. Uh I've been down there. personally seen cars drive in and and 1395 01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:07,440 park along the canal and and uh one last two weeks ago on a Saturday there was an 1396 01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:13,040 individual had his car parked and a lawn chair out and and fishing uh and then 1397 01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:17,040 two other vehicles came in and and and uh decided to park there. This is before 1398 01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:20,960 the bylaw officer was able to get down there and and clear it out which I I'm 1399 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:26,239 grateful for that to happen. My concern is if that gate is not maintained uh 1400 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:31,199 kept kept locked and and people get in there, it could obstruct the the access 1401 01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:35,600 for the uh fire and rescue people to get to the boat if there is in need of an 1402 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:40,000 emergency. And and that's that's important. 1403 01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:46,199 But I also been assured and I and I've witnessed uh bylaw officers doing their 1404 01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:46,199 their routine there. 1405 01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:53,760 So, so on that gate though, I I myself notice it seems to be open more times 1406 01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:57,119 than it's closed when I go by. Um, but I have watched the awkward once come. He 1407 01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:03,280 was parked the gate mocked all the way up. He didn't bother unlock it. So, um, 1408 01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:06,639 and saying that is that that is something else I wanted to talk about 1409 01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:10,639 too is where our gate is and they've got the pole that runs to the lagoon. We 1410 01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:14,719 never went that extra three feet. We didn't think people would squeeze around 1411 01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:18,719 it. They all do it now. Um, I know the hotel, they shut it all down. So, 1412 01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:22,080 something we have to look at is to shut that down because that's the new way 1413 01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:26,320 because there's nobody at the hotel. They're all parking in the hotel now. 1414 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:29,840 It's a wall access coming around. Before it was always safe there because the 1415 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:34,080 hotel didn't allow everybody to park. But when you take a look, you see all 1416 01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:37,199 the parked cars all the way along. And I give the hotel credit because they throw 1417 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:40,719 all their garbage in the bin. It's all piled there. I go by the next day, it's 1418 01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:45,920 all cleaned up. So they're obviously paying pay up all that because I we're 1419 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:49,599 not that's not ours, right? Okay. So I I don't know that's something 1420 01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:52,400 I'll probably bring up in the next meeting. It's not something that has to 1421 01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:56,800 be rushed, but I do think we should cover that. 1422 01:51:54,880 --> 01:52:00,480 » Yeah. Thank you. Uh thank you chair. And one one other comment the last one is 1423 01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:05,599 the we can move on to the other uh new 1424 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:09,280 business goose. Is that >> Yeah. So the goose management. The 1425 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:19,520 reason why I I I wanted that in there is that I I' I've read and and received uh 1426 01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:25,599 message that the uh the the geese uh the the goose the goose treatment is is all 1427 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:32,159 over the place and it's a mess. And I I I in my observation, I think the the 1428 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:35,520 gate goose population is is is down. And uh of course this time of the year is 1429 01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:40,159 not as a problem as it was a few months ago, but I think the wildlife management 1430 01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:45,679 under the direction of Michael Van Cass is doing an amazing job and uh I just 1431 01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:50,239 want to put it on that uh I think the goose management system is working for 1432 01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:54,960 uh for what the township is providing and that's why I have that on there. 1433 01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:59,920 Chairman, thank you. Do you have anything else here? Huh? Or 1434 01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:04,719 that's it. Um, I got I got a couple things here. Um, first thing I want to 1435 01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:08,800 talk about is this rafting party that's happening down on the the beach the 1436 01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:14,880 beach there. Do you know anything about it? Does anybody know this whole rafting 1437 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:19,599 party that's happening in the marina? No, nobody knows about it. Council, 1438 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:23,199 there's no permits, no nothing, right? Um, the only thing I'm saying is 1439 01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:26,639 I know there's a rafting thing there and Parks Water was hadn't heard anything 1440 01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:31,199 about it and I'm what I'm more concerned about and I'm not trying to stop this 1441 01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:35,119 and I think it's a great idea, but I we don't know about it. If they're coming 1442 01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:38,719 onto our beaches, I I guess there might be an issue and I'm hearing that there's 1443 01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:44,080 going to be a beer tent or something along the um the area like up near their 1444 01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:48,719 gas pumps. I don't know if that's all true. I don't know. So I I I'm not 1445 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:53,199 getting involved in all this, but I just want to make sure parks and waterways, 1446 01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:57,599 if you guys were aware of what they do. >> Anyways, chairman, I I I'm not 1447 01:53:56,159 --> 01:54:02,880 completely sure, but I think they own that property and uh that's their that's 1448 01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:09,440 their discretion and uh I think what what uh that business does is is is an 1449 01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:15,440 enhancement to our community. and uh why would we want to prevent a an 1450 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:23,599 opportunity for a business to do well in our community and uh and just 1451 01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:28,000 quality of our our Lagoon city. I'm not trying to shut it down and I respect the 1452 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:32,719 fact that there's that's their property, but if they're putting a tent there 1453 01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:35,760 where the beer is on the rightway, if the fire department needs to get out of 1454 01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:40,159 there, there's a tent in the way of the rightway and that's the only room that 1455 01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:44,639 they have there. And it's not my issue, but I'm just saying when I hear things 1456 01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:47,760 like that from my life living and all the permits and all the things that have 1457 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:52,080 to go on, these are the problems that happen. Like I think it's a great idea. 1458 01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:55,920 Enjoy it all, right? But I'm just saying that there are like people think you 1459 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:59,679 could just do this stuff, right? And there's ramifications like because that 1460 01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:02,639 you know the the driveway, right, that we're talking about where else would the 1461 01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:07,040 tent go, >> right? But it's not I and it's not my 1462 01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:10,719 problem. I now that I know that it's not included on parks and waterways. It's 1463 01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:14,320 not my issue at all anymore. That's all I wanted to make sure was that if the 1464 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,239 washrooms are being used or whatever, we're going to have to deal with all 1465 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:20,000 that. We're gonna have to get them cleaned earlier whenever. Well, let's 1466 01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:23,679 have to make sure the individuals know that they would have to get a permit for 1467 01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:26,480 the tent. Any of those large tents for functions, you do require a building 1468 01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:29,920 permit. So, >> but I'm not trying to stop this. I'm not 1469 01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:34,400 being the guy. All I'm trying to say is that I'm covering off the people the 1470 01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:38,480 Lagoon City and what we stand for and that's what our job is. The rest of that 1471 01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:41,840 is not our job. It's not my job to do that. And so, just so you know, I'm 100% 1472 01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,239 behind it. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not against it all, but I've 1473 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:50,560 just seen it when other people have tried to set up other tents. I've seen 1474 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:53,840 the um the amount of paperwork and the amount of permits that you need. There's 1475 01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:57,440 so much people don't realize that, right? You know, and then all hell break 1476 01:55:55,520 --> 01:56:01,599 and then when something happens, that's when all hell breaks, right? 1477 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:04,400 So, I think all the power to them. They're out in the water. They're going 1478 01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:07,679 to have a band on a like it sounds like a lot of fun. They're gonna have a band 1479 01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:10,880 on a raft out there the whole bit. So, all the power to them. Great for going 1480 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:14,080 on. >> All right. 1481 01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:19,360 Um, the other thing I wanted to talk about was this hiring prog process that 1482 01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:23,199 happened over the parks and waterways. I'm I'm sort of disappointed that we 1483 01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:27,280 weren't involved in any of that. Like because I've always looked at the fact 1484 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:30,320 on the parks and waterways and it's nothing against you at all, just so you 1485 01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:33,679 know, Mark, I think you're a great asset to this and the whole bit, but it's just 1486 01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:38,239 the whole process that went on. Normally, I know as a counselor, I used 1487 01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:41,920 to always talk to the people and I used to talk to the people on parks and 1488 01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:47,840 waterways, too, because what you're looking for is to mix somebody in with 1489 01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:52,880 the people um from park or from the Lagoon City. And most of the people 1490 01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:55,679 sitting sitting here know of the person the people that put their names in 1491 01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:59,119 because they've asked us, they've touched base with us, they've asked us 1492 01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:03,440 what the job is. And so, we kind of already know who's put their names. We 1493 01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:07,360 know who's going there. And I have never been asked maybe a couple times by you 1494 01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:11,119 but never by yourself about what's your opinion or what you're feeling or 1495 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:14,239 anything like that. And I know when I became a counselor the first thing I did 1496 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:17,440 I called every single person on parks and waterways to talk with each 1497 01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:21,599 individual and then I met with them just to understand what was going to happen 1498 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:25,199 when I became a counselor. And I I just sort of feel like we got left out of 1499 01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:29,440 this whole process. I really did. I feel like we got left out and I think it 1500 01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:33,920 wouldn't have hurt to reached out and spoke to us about it all. Uh, and I 1501 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:37,119 think a lot of us do have experience. I question, and I'm going to say it in the 1502 01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:41,040 nicest way on council, how many people on council have an experience of what 1503 01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:44,560 goes on in parks and waterways and the experience of hiring somebody, what 1504 01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:48,320 you're looking for. And just to finish it, then I'll let you go. Is the fact 1505 01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:52,080 that when somebody says to me, well, he was an engineer, so he was a great 1506 01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:55,119 choice. We have engineers here doing all this information. If I was that 1507 01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,159 engineer, I'd be very careful with what I say because he could get himself in 1508 01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:02,639 trouble, right, if we go by what he said. So I I just wanted to make that I 1509 01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:06,719 I I want to make the point that part it's part part of I don't know where we 1510 01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:12,239 stand as parks and waterways and that's why I'd like to have the access that we 1511 01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:16,800 can go to our lawyer like our own lawyer not your lawyer like and and I say 1512 01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:20,719 nicest way again but that is the lawyer for the town and his job is to protect 1513 01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:24,239 the town and any other lawyer that's involved that's his job. Well, I'd like 1514 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:27,920 to get a lawyer that says, "Okay, parks and waterways, this is what you have." 1515 01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:32,159 And when I hear about this, you know, um, thing coming up in two weeks from 1516 01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:36,480 now, I I would like to get a heads up with the lawyer where we stand on that 1517 01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:40,400 or where this could be going, right? And who knows where this could go, right, 1518 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:44,560 with what's about to be talked about. And I I'll stop there because I want to 1519 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:50,400 continue to that, but you can speak there. Uh, counselor, Commissioner. 1520 01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:54,159 » Yeah. Uh, thank you, Chairman. I just want to top up on on your point. You 1521 01:58:52,239 --> 01:59:01,679 made a valid point. I I think it's it's it's dismissive and uh irresponsible 1522 01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:07,040 to not include the chairman in part of the uh process of of of uh of that 1523 01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:15,920 hiring. But uh I'm I'm grateful that Mark is on 1524 01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:20,159 and I think it's uh I had to uh ask Mark three times to get his resume and I had 1525 01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:24,639 had a look at it. is very very impressive and and Mark is very humble 1526 01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:29,040 and Mark is going to be a tremendous value to to the parks and waterways 1527 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:35,679 commission. So I want to I want to thank the committee uh the council to to 1528 01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:40,639 electing Mark as a as a commissioner but I I think uh it's it's disrespectful and 1529 01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:45,840 dismissive for not to include the chairman in that process. kind of 1530 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:50,239 leading back to uh your other comment about independent council for us. I 1531 01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:56,400 think it'd be uh it'd be the timing is right now. I I I' I've witnessed things 1532 01:59:53,599 --> 01:59:59,760 where uh it would it would be in the best 1533 01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:03,679 interest of the commission to have an independent council as as we move 1534 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,440 forward and and and I I think that having this meeting coming up in a 1535 02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:12,400 couple weeks is great. having community engagement is important uh especially 1536 02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:19,599 this particular uh October that's coming up uh but the the it more more just for 1537 02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:26,800 a comment and I'll keep it fairly short uh township Romero is unique in the 1538 02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:30,960 sense it has 16 kilometers of canal uh which I don't know any other township in 1539 02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:37,440 Ontario has that so consequently you know we have uh the lagoon city is is 1540 02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:44,239 unique and uh each resident pays like $900 to $1,000 1541 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:51,440 uh a year to to assist the township in and uh m main maintaining the the canal 1542 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:56,480 system which is is unique and uh uh I think we have an obligation to maintain 1543 02:00:53,520 --> 02:01:02,400 the the commission and uh I'm looking forward to this this meeting coming up u 1544 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:06,080 and that's just my my comment uh chairman [clears throat] thank you 1545 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:09,840 » well that'll be a good suggestion when the consultants here and we're when 1546 02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:13,360 we're gathering the information that because we like library board we appoint 1547 02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,719 the members and we appoint the members to our community center boards but 1548 02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:20,239 sometimes throughout the year you and you've seen it the board might say hey 1549 02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:25,280 we'd like to add this member to our board and they make the request so maybe 1550 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:28,800 one of the suggestions could be that the commission recommends to council who 1551 02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:32,239 they would like to see added to the board whenever there's a new member but 1552 02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:35,840 that would require a change in how we do things but it's a good suggestion to put 1553 02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:38,719 in like any of these these concerns, now is the time to bring it to that 1554 02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:43,334 consultant that the commissioner would like more involvement in the appointees 1555 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:45,280 on the board with recommendations. [snorts] 1556 02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:47,920 » Yeah. So certainly go ahead. >> Yeah. I just want to top up on that a 1557 02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:51,280 little bit because I I don't want the misunderstanding to ever feel that it 1558 02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:54,320 was a slight or nobody wanted to reach out because that's the bylaws that we 1559 02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:58,159 have to follow, right? At this point in time, bylaws are very clear that council 1560 02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:02,080 choose those members from those applications. It's also confidential. So 1561 02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:05,840 we can't share that unless we change those procedures. So that's the way this 1562 02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:08,800 whole system's been designed. So part of my reason for the engagement and why 1563 02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:12,560 this consultation, I don't mind speaking about that is because I believe that 1564 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:15,280 levy payers should be the voters who actually vote in the commission decide 1565 02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:18,320 in their community who they want to represent them. And that's part of what 1566 02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:21,679 I'm hoping comes out of this and I hope people speak up because I think that's 1567 02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:24,560 the best way to do it so that you have the people you want to represent who 1568 02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:27,840 want this commission. You'll still have two members appointed from council, but 1569 02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:33,440 you'll you'll be able to choose a majority that can actually create the 1570 02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:37,360 votes. But I I guess part of the problem that we had with that is that the system 1571 02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:41,280 way it worked is they reached out and spoke to us. Nobody spoke to us. They 1572 02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:45,280 first we heard that this whole interviewing process was happening when 1573 02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:48,000 it happened. Where did that decision come from? Right? Like where how did 1574 02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:51,760 that all happened? Like we had nothing to do with it. Nobody told us anything 1575 02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:56,480 about it. And going to this review that's coming up. I'm 100% I asked for 1576 02:02:54,159 --> 02:03:00,800 it. So like we asked for it. I I believe we all asked for it. But I what I didn't 1577 02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:04,719 like about it was when I I don't like the wording. And when I look at the 1578 02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:10,159 wording there, it's like it could turn into a uh situation over the the 1579 02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:14,080 people on parks and waterways. And that's what kind of bothers me. I'd like 1580 02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:18,800 to see I would like to know and I read in there further. I like to know what 1581 02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:22,159 you're we're telling the people to come because if somebody says I've got no 1582 02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:25,840 problems with the parks and waterways, then they're not coming. But if they 1583 02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:29,520 have ideas to make it better or they have ideas on what we should do, like as 1584 02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:32,239 you said about the election, I don't have an issue with that. I said that 1585 02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:35,840 eight years ago. That was one of the ideas that we looked at. But I don't 1586 02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:38,639 have a problem with that. But what I think we got to do is make sure that 1587 02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:42,560 it's not just going to turn into a complaint session. And that's what it 1588 02:03:40,239 --> 02:03:45,360 read. I handed to a couple people when I received it yesterday and that's what 1589 02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:49,040 they said to me. That's what they read in it too because I wanted to make sure 1590 02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:53,199 I wasn't being oversensitive over this. And that's what I didn't like about it. 1591 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:57,440 So, I'm hoping that there's some sort of guidance, not at the meeting, but before 1592 02:03:55,599 --> 02:04:00,639 the meeting, so people can actually prepare for it because it's in two 1593 02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:03,920 weeks. And to me, I think it's one of the most important things for parks and 1594 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:06,880 waterways. I really did. I really feel it was an important thing. But if it's 1595 02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:10,800 coming and there's just a complaint session. Sorry. Um I think I'm stopping 1596 02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:13,280 here. What's What's wrong? >> Through the chair, um you're welcome to 1597 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:17,040 finish your thought. I just had a couple things to add uh if able when when it is 1598 02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:19,199 time. >> What? Sorry. 1599 02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:22,719 » Uh through the chair, you're welcome to finish your thought. I just had a few 1600 02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:27,360 things to add to clarify the process if there is an opportunity to do so. 1601 02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:31,760 » Okay. Um so that that was the point that I was trying to make with that. I was 1602 02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:35,199 going to lead into that next. I know um commissioner wanted to speak. Uh but 1603 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:40,400 that that's what we really need to look at. That that's I guess and that's where 1604 02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:43,679 I would actually like to actually talk to an independent lawyer so that we know 1605 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:47,599 where we stand on some of these things like to come back out and he may look at 1606 02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:50,400 and say no absolutely not. You can you should be able to do this. you should 1607 02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:55,280 have this rights, you should be able to have this, right? And I think it would 1608 02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:59,920 help all the commission. Um, and and not sometimes I feel like it's you guys and 1609 02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:03,119 us guys, right? And that's where sometimes I don't like that feeling and 1610 02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:07,599 I don't think it's right because we never had that feeling before. We never 1611 02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:12,560 we had a good relationship with council. We had it worked out perfectly the way 1612 02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:16,239 that we had the deputy mayor. We had me as I guess the counselor and it was 1613 02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:20,960 phenomenal. And the deputy mayor at that time, he he did it correctly. He was a 1614 02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:25,119 commissioner when he sat here and he was a counselor when he sat as counsel. And 1615 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:29,920 he went both ways. And it's a hard thing to wear two hats, you know. 1616 02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:35,480 » Well, that's what I'm just saying. There's got to be like a give and take, 1617 02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:35,480 » huh? 1618 02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:39,440 » Yeah. >> Well, it's not like we're going to go 1619 02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:42,800 consult them all the time. What I'm saying is that it's just like there's 1620 02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:46,560 some questions that we've had and you know I don't think your lawyer really 1621 02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:51,360 wants to speak to us on that, right? He's representing you guys. 1622 02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:53,840 » And I I do think just in clarification I think going back it's important for 1623 02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:58,080 people to understand the history because I believe out of the PR11 it gave 1624 02:05:55,920 --> 02:06:02,000 council the the ability to create a commission based on a bylaw which was 1625 02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:05,760 done in 2005 to delegate responsibilities to the commission. So 1626 02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:09,599 going back in history, that's how it's kind of evolved through the time from my 1627 02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:13,599 understanding of what it is. Uh but I'll let uh maybe Rebecca want to jump on 1628 02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:17,599 » I >> um through the chair, I just wanted to 1629 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:21,440 clarify a bit about the legislation and uh just note a few things for the 1630 02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:24,800 commission's knowledge. So the power to appoint and remove members of the 1631 02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:29,599 commission is appointed to council through bill PR11 1632 02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:34,079 and that is included in the the MARA act. Uh and then the commission 1633 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:39,199 responsibility would be to appoint a chair of the commission andor designate 1634 02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:42,560 a meeting chair. Um council can decide what that process looks like for 1635 02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:47,040 appointment and removal. So that was what part of what occurred with the most 1636 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:51,360 recent uh appointment is that council directed to do interviews. So that's 1637 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:55,840 what we proceeded with. Uh but ultimately the bill is what gives that 1638 02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:59,440 authority to council to do so. Uh, I would just like to also note for the 1639 02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:03,360 commission that a legal opinion uh was secured by the commission in 2025 giving 1640 02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:06,320 a summary of the roles and responsibilities for the Lagoon City 1641 02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:12,760 Parks and Waterways Commission and the Township of Amara. This is available on 1642 02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:12,760 our website at www.rra.ca/lcpwc. 1643 02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:18,639 So, it's linked for anyone to review and it does break down what the roles and 1644 02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:22,960 responsibilities are for each under the MARA act and under the uh establishing 1645 02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:26,960 bylaw. So, if you haven't seen that, I certainly encourage taking a look at it 1646 02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:32,880 because it is a good breakdown. Um, the commission is welcome to secure its own 1647 02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:37,440 legal uh representative at any point. We would just have to make sure that there 1648 02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:41,360 is a budget approved for it as that is one of the um requirements of the MARA 1649 02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:44,400 Act is that the budget for the commission needs to be approved by 1650 02:07:42,639 --> 02:07:49,199 council. So, if it's not in our current budget, then requests would need to be 1651 02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:54,159 made to council to um approve that budget. But it is within the 1652 02:07:50,719 --> 02:08:00,040 commission's um purview if they would like to seek independent legal advice to 1653 02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,040 do so as long as it's within budget. 1654 02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:09,280 » So I think it's tied in already. So it's in the budget. The other thing to um I 1655 02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:12,719 did read exactly what you what you read there about what our job is because you 1656 02:08:10,719 --> 02:08:15,840 sent it all to us. But what I guess the point I was trying to make is the fact 1657 02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:20,719 that nobody reached out from council to us and kept us informed, even asked our 1658 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:25,280 opinions and that the way it always had been and we did follow the rules like 1659 02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:29,920 you know before but it was more of a a input that came right in. It worked 1660 02:08:27,599 --> 02:08:33,280 well. I I I never had an issue with it like when we did it like and I'm just I 1661 02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:40,400 was kind of disappointed with what I saw right there. And um and I think um 1662 02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:43,040 Commissioner uh like it's great. I think you're gonna do a great job. I think 1663 02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:48,159 you're a really good asset. So, it's nothing against you. It's just that this 1664 02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:51,520 all came up over this talking. So, but anyways, that's what I'd like to do is 1665 02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:55,520 like reach out and just talk to this lawyer because as you know, talking to 1666 02:08:53,840 --> 02:09:00,159 like Ryan, he works for you. That's that's how simple it is. Okay. And I did 1667 02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:03,679 not know that, thank you, Rebecca, that we can get our own independent counsel. 1668 02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:08,079 I just wanted to double check that. >> So, basically the actual money that we 1669 02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:10,800 put for legal is kind of for us too, right? 1670 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:16,400 » To the chair. Yes, it's just dependent on if the budget is available within the 1671 02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:20,159 current year. Um, so if there is availability remaining in that budget 1672 02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:24,079 line, uh, the commission can direct how that budget is to be used. If there 1673 02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:28,880 isn't budget remaining, then a request would need to be made to council for 1674 02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:32,480 approval to have that budget allocated. So if it if you're looking to transfer 1675 02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:34,719 money from reserves, for example, that would need to go to council to have that 1676 02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:38,000 approved >> if we had to transfer money. 1677 02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:41,520 » Exactly. Yes. which I think we already did for that massive amount of money 1678 02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:46,560 that came right. So I don't remember asking for permission. Do you 1679 02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:54,679 » I believe there is money left in the legal budget this year too. 1680 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:54,679 » And that was um 1681 02:09:56,639 --> 02:10:05,000 process. Okay. So we are going there and that's all I got. Do you have any 1682 02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:15,920 » Does anybody else have any new business or Okay. So, I don't have to put any 1683 02:10:14,239 --> 02:10:17,760 motions forward, Rebecca. And nothing here. 1684 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:20,960 » Uh through the chair, if there's no action coming out of those items, then 1685 02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:24,560 no, they'll just be listed on the minutes as that they were discussed. Um 1686 02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:28,719 if there are any actions you would like to see or any direction for future 1687 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:32,719 meetings, please let us know and we will put that on a future agenda if needed. 1688 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:42,159 Yeah, there's a couple other things I think. Um, there's no close session. No. 1689 02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:47,760 Um, adjournment. Um, going to put it on the floor that we adjourn at 11:41. 1690 02:10:46,239 --> 02:10:51,840 Um, huh. Put on the floor of the mayor. 1691 02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:56,119 Second by the deputy mayor. All in favor? 11:41.