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So, good evening everyone and welcome to

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the July meeting of the Committee of

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Adjustments. Before we begin, I will

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call the meeting to order and I look for

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a motion to move that the July 8th, 2026

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Committee of Adjustment meeting be

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called to order at 7:00 p.m. Can I get a

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motion to move that?

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» So moved.

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» Moved by Ms. Kohler, seconded by Mr.

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Miller.

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That's all right, I'll take you as a

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second.

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All in favor?

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» Yes.

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» That motion is carried. At this time,

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I'd like to ask Mr. Roth to read our

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territorial acknowledgement.

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» We have gathered in Wilmot Township on

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the traditional territory of the

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neutral, the Anishinaabe, and the

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Hodenausonee, and the Mississaugas

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peoples.

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We also want to acknowledge the

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importance of the dish with one spoon

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covenant, a peace agreement made between

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indigenous nations before the Europeans

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arrived. It characterizes our collective

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responsibility to to each other and

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Mother Earth. We should take only what

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we need, leave enough for others, and

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keep the dish clean.

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By acknowledging this covenant and the

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First Nations, the Métis, the Inuit

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peoples, we are reminded of the

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important connection to this land where

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we live, learn, and work together as a

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community.

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» Thank you, Mr. Roth.

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I would like to introduce the committee

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this evening. With us is Mr. Miller, Ms.

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Kohler,

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Mr. Roth.

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With us as well as Mr. Cameron Miller,

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our planner for the Township.

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My name is Tyler Bowman and I'm the

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chair of uh, this committee.

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We are an independent body appointed by

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Welland Township Council. We have the

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power to make minor changes, uh, to

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existing zoning regulations and to

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approve some changes to existing

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non-conforming uses and to give consent.

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Each applicant will be notified in

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writing of the decision,

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um, within 10 days.

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With the decision will be instructions

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of how [clears throat] the how it can be

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appealed.

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Any decisions made by this committee can

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be appealed to the Ontario Land

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Tribunal, who will then hold a meeting

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and make a final decision. Only the

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applicant and certain prescribed public

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agencies can appeal the committee's

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decision.

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If the decision on a minor variance is

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not appealed, it becomes final and

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binding after 20 days from the date of

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this meeting.

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If the decision on a minor variance is

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not appealed, it becomes final and

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binding after 20 days from the date of

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the decision is mailed.

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The format for this evening will be as

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follows. Uh, Mr. Miller will introduce

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the applications.

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Uh, the applicant will then be invited

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to come forward and add any additional

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information they choose. Following this,

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anyone in the audience with will have

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the opportunity to speak for or against

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this application.

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The committee members may then question

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the applicant and the committee will

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then make a decision. So, as Mr. Miller,

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uh, previously noted with our virtual

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conversation when I asked for applicants

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from, uh, the community that would like

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to speak or the applicate applicant

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themselves, please raise your hand in

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the online there and Mr. Miller will

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bring you into the conversation, um, uh,

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for that time. We will keep it to 7

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minutes maximum for each individual

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through that time.

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Uh, at which point we'll ask you to wrap

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up and and we'll move on to the next

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individual.

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to start this meeting, I'd like to ask

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are there any disclosures of pecuniary

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interest under the Municipal Conflict of

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Interest Act?

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» Seeing none, uh at this time, I'd like

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to our first quarter of business will be

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to approve our minutes from our last

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meeting. Can I get a motion to approve

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those minutes?

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Moved by Mr. Rose, seconded by Mr.

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Kohler.

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All in favor?

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And those minutes, that motion is

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carried.

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And so, we'll move on to the applicant

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applications tonight. Uh Mr. Miller,

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could you please introduce our first

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application?

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» Uh yes, thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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Um the first application this evening is

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A10/26

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and it's concerning 226 Shade Street in

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New Hamburg and it's a variance to the

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fence bylaw.

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increase the maximum allowable fence

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height from 1.98 m to approximately 2.44

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m. And so, that's uh again, 6 ft 6 to uh

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maximum fence height um in in rear and

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side yards of again, 6 ft 6 or 1.98 m.

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opportunity to look at a review proposal

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on a case-by-case basis.

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Um which the fence bylaw allows for

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minor variances uh or variances to the

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fence bylaw.

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requests uh with an increase of up to 8

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ft on interior lot boundaries on the on

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the condition that

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uh abutting neighbors uh do not have any

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concerns. And staff would suggest that

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probably one of the main tests, uh if

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not only one of the tests of a of

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variance to the fence bylaw would be

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uh what the uh residents who directly

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share that fence feel about an increase

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in height. So, ultimately, it's the

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responsibility of of uh staff to make a

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recommendation to the committee based on

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the intent of the bylaw, which that is

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uh uh what staff believe to be the

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intent, and ultimately decisions made by

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the committee.

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Um [snorts] there was a a sketch

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attached to the report uh which

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illustrates the boundaries at which the

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fence increase height was proposed,

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which is essentially the entire

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perimeter

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um of the of the property.

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well as the provided deadline, uh which

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was July the 2nd in which comments were

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to be provided, we did not receive any

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is based on having received zero

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comments.

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Um but again, since publishing the

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report, we've been made aware of some

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concerns um

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of of some surrounding neighbors

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potentially on the potential increase um

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height in in fence. Um

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staff's ability to support an increase

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in height on particular areas of the

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property would waver if if that adjacent

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neighbor had issues.

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that is to say that staff would look at

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potentially a section-by-section

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increase in height if certain neighbors

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um are in favor as this property abuts

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properties individually. So again, we

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would look at it from a staff

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perspective what individual neighbors

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feel if they have concerns. Um

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questions, but again, the recommend

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recommendation provided tonight is to

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approve of it for the entirety perimeter

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cuz again, as time of publishing the

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report, we did not receive um any any

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concerns written in um in time for

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» Thank you, Mr. Miller. Uh I'm going to

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ask if the applicant would like to speak

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on behalf of this application, and if

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uh please bring them into the meeting.

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» So I'll just ask um

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the applicant, uh if if would like to

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speak um that you use the raise hand

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your hand one more time cuz it un-raised

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and there was two people with the same

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name. Yep.

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um here as a panelist and um as uh Mr.

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Bowman has indicated, uh you'll have 7

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I'll just ask that you unmute your mic

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and if you could turn your video on if

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it's available.

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can you hear us okay?

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» We can hear you, but we cannot see you.

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» Can you hear us now?

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» Yep, now we can see the three of you.

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» Hi, good evening everyone and thank you

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for taking um the time to join us today.

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uh my name's Kumari Singh and um I'm a

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family physician licensed in both Canada

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and the United States. My husband Aman

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and um and I are raising three daughters

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um ranging age from two to six

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and we are

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and we are in the process of relocating

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from the Chicago area to New Hamburg as

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we embrace a quieter, family-oriented

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lifestyle and a place where we can see

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our children growing up um for many

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years to come.

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Uh we sincerely appreciate everyone

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taking the time to join us this evening.

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Uh being good neighbors is very

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important to us and we wanted to have an

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open conversation before our committee

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hearing.

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Um Our goal tonight is simply to explain

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why we're requesting this variance,

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answer any questions that you may have

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and hear any feedback or any concerns.

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That's my daughter in the background if

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you're hearing that, so I apologize. Let

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me know if it's hard to focus.

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So, we're requesting a minor variance to

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allow an additional 17 in of fence

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height beyond the permitted 6 ft 6 in.

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Our request is driven by the unique

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characteristics of our property and not

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really and not by a desire to build an

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unusually tall fence. Um our home is

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situated on a significant slope. Um

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because of the elevation changes, a

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fence built to the permitted height does

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not provide the same level of privacy or

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security that it would on a level lot.

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Um even with a compliant fence, our

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backyard, including our pool, gazebo,

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and family recreation area remains

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clearly visible to the surrounding

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properties. Um an additional 17 in would

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simply compensate for the topography and

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provide a more consistent level of

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privacy and a greater sense of security

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throughout the yard.

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Privacy and security are equally

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important to our family. Um our backyard

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is where we um spend most of our time

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together. We have the pool, the gazebo,

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the outdoor living space, and

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occasionally we do spend time in private

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religious meditation and prayer. We

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wanted to create a space where our

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family can relax, spend time together,

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enjoy these moments without feeling

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exposed. Um I am often the only adult in

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our home while my husband's away for

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work. Our property is quite large and

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the backyard and surrounding areas have

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limited lighting at night. And we ex-

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we've experienced um theft from our

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building materials during construction.

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Um while the slope is the primary reason

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for this variance, these experiences

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have reinforced the importance of

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creating a backyard where our family

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feels both private and secure. The

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proposed fence will be professionally

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constructed, well maintained, and

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located entirely on our property. It

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will not affect traffic visibility,

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public safety, or access to neighboring

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properties. We have also received letter

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letters of support from three immediate

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neighboring property owners who share a

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fence line with our property. We truly

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appreciate their support and willingness

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to take time to understand our request.

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Um and we understand that not everyone

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may share the same opinion and we do

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respect that. Our hope is that everyone

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will consider the unique topography of

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our property and the limited impact of

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this modest 17-in inch variance. We

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believe that it is a reasonable solution

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that allows our family to safely and

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privately enjoy our home while

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continuing to be respectful to the

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neighbors.

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Um thank you again for taking the time

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to join us this evening. We truly

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appreciate your willingness to listen.

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We're happy to answer any questions or

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discuss any concerns. We hope that this

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is the beginning of many positive

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conversations and lasting friendship

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with our neighbors. We look forward to

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being a part community for many, many

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years to come.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» Yes, I thank you. I appreciate the

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conversation. Our The next step here is

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to invite other

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members of the community that would like

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to speak for or against and then we'll

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come back if we have any questions to

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yourselves, but I appreciate that.

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» Unless there's any committee members

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that have questions at at this time.

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» It might be more effective in this form.

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I appreciate that, Mr. Mayor.

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Other questions from the committee?

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Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Ruth.

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» Um yes, uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I do

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have one question. Um obviously um

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uh having visited the site, I would

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assume uh a question to the uh to the

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owners

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that about 90% of the fence is already

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constructed. Am I correct in that?

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» Uh

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it is uh 6.6 and 90% 6.6 I can say. It's

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not 90% I would say 80% 6.6 is done.

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» Yeah, about that. Yeah, you'll have to

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excuse my math. I'm just guessing at it.

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» [laughter]

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» But but but but the great majority the

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biggest majority of the fence is already

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constructed. Am I correct in

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» It's not It's not

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It's 2 2 6.6 6.6.

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» Yeah, so it's under the It's basically

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within the compliance limit.

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» Could you repeat that, please?

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» So So I'm saying like the fence is

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complete about 80% but the height

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6 in. We are just waiting for the

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committee's decision before we go

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further.

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» Yes, I'm aware of that. Okay, thank you.

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» Mhm.

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» Are there any other questions for the

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applicant?

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Not at this time. Okay, thank you.

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Are there others Mr. Miller that would

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like to speak for or against the

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application?

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» [clears throat]

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» So I would I would ask at this time

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people use the raise hand function. So

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Mr. Funk has raised their hand. So I

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will go in order

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of hands that have been raised and I

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will just make note of people that have

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spoken.

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So that we aren't promoting

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temporarily I'm going to um

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change the

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um applicant as a simply an attendee.

402
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Um just one second, please.

403
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» While Mr. Miller is doing that, if

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you're speaking

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to the application, please introduce

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yourself, your name, and [clears throat]

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your address. On this one is important.

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» Okay.

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Um we can see you

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Mr. Funk and Mrs. Funk presumably um

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in the meeting here. Um so again I'm

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sorry I'll let Tyler take over there.

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» No, that's all right. Welcome.

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I'm going to give you 7 minutes to

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speak. If you need that full time,

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please take it. If not, we'll we'll go

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forward. But you can just introduce

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yourself, your full name, and the

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address for the record. That'd be great.

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And then please go ahead.

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» Thanks. Can everybody hear me?

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Okay, thank you.

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Yeah, so so my name is Steve Funk. My

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wife Tammy and I we live at 216 Shade

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Street. So we are

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immediately abutting the

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neighbors to the to the west of us to

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226.

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And we share a common boundary of about

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525

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feet approximately.

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Um and so

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and

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first of all

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Kamari and Aman this is the first time

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I'm seeing you. So

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welcome to the neighborhood.

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And

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unfortunately we're seeing under these

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circumstances but

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but I I just want to make it clear that

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we do not support this.

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And we object to an increase in the

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bylaw.

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We respect the bylaw. We respect the

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right of anybody to build a fence

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as long as you keep it on your side of

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the line. Follow the rules. You know,

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build a nice fence.

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There's nothing we can do about that.

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Historically

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this neighborhood has not had fences of

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this nature. There's a few fences in the

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neighborhood but

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none of them are this height or scale.

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I don't want to argue too much back and

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forth but but there's a an awful lot of

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the fence that's already constructed

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that is above the 6 and 1/2 feet.

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Some some sections even go close to 9

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ft. Uh,

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that's that that's according to my

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measurements uh

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uh how I reach and my tape measure

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reaches.

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So, that that's neither here nor there

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that but to Mr. Roth's question, you

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know, that is a reality of what has

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happened here.

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So,

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uh we

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in in short, I I don't think we have to

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justify make arguments as to why we do

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not want a large fence, a high fence.

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Uh, the bylaws there for a reason.

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Uh,

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I was not around when the bylaw

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[clears throat] was created. I don't

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know if anybody in this meeting was. Uh,

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but it's it I would expect it would be

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to preserve general

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neighborhood appearances,

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uh aesthetics, uh you know, just general

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community sightlines. Uh,

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a fence of this nature especially

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uh

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in the location that it is it it

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basically uh it divides a lot of the

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neighborhood from each other.

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And

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and so I I don't uh I don't support we

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don't support the higher fence.

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Uh, in in the same way that uh

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you know, Raj Kumari and money you're

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you're entitled to do the application

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for

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a an increased height.

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We are exercising our right to indicate

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we do not want it.

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That that's that's my submission.

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» Thank you, Mr. Funk.

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Um are there any questions for for him

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from the committee

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prior to

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Mr. Roth?

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» Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, to Mr.

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Funk and and visiting that neighborhood

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and and knowing the neighborhood uh

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fairly well, uh you did make the comment

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that um

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in my observation the neighborhood is

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generally free of of fencing uh you know

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for a very large area. Am I correct in

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that assumption?

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» You are. The there is the neighbors

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210, I think 210 Shade Street

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our house in the and the applicant's

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house is fairly set back from the road

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and there are houses close to Shade

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Street and so right in front of my house

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there there are two neighborhood uh

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the two neighbors that have fences but

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they they are six and six feet six and a

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half feet high.

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Um and so they do there are a few fences

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in the area.

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» Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay.

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Mr. Miller, are there other

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individuals that would like to speak?

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Thank you, Mr. Funk for your time.

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» Thank you.

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» So, I will proceed with

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uh uh

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change Mr. Funk to an attendee again and

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we will move on to the next person.

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Uh which which is in line um just in way

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of my screen so I apologize if you feel

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like you put your hand up sooner than

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someone else but we'll go the next

541
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person will be Mr. Thrower.

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Um so I will promote you to a panelist

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and same instructions would apply.

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» Yeah. Thank you. Please just full name

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and your address and once you're in

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we'll give you seven minutes.

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You are unmuted. If you're able to turn

548
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your camera on that would be appreciated

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as well.

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Welcome.

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» All right. There we go.

552
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Okay. Should be good now.

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» Yep. We can see you.

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» My name is Dugan Thrower.

555
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Married with Christina Thrower as well.

556
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We've lived here for 18 years.

557
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Brocksway.

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Um we live at 234 Shade Shade Street

559
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,000
which is east of uh the property here at

560
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,400
226.

561
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,400
Um, I'm here to oppose the request

562
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,400
um, for the variance increase.

563
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,520
Um,

564
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,880
I have a 100-ft fence that they're

565
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,200
constructing against my driveway.

566
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,320
Raising the fence career uh

567
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,120
creates severe practical issues for my

568
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,480
residence. Winter snow drift,

569
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:35,760
the wall like the way the snow comes in,

570
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,240
it blows. I've nowhere to get rid of it

571
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,560
when it's an 8-ft fence.

572
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,120
Um,

573
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,720
on hindsight, it adds child safety to my

574
00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:44,880
matter. So, I got to push all the snow

575
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,800
to the edge.

576
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,600
K- creates drifts

577
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:52,440
and higher already. And with our street

578
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,440
being speed deal or uh

579
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,000
with traffic and being the speed that it

580
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,600
is and no sidewalks,

581
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,920
I'm concerned with the child safety with

582
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:04,200
the kids doing walking, biking, bus

583
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,240
stops, all that fun stuff.

584
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Um,

585
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,360
so drivers usually can't see the kids

586
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,600
when it comes to the high drifts. I know

587
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:12,160
like certain parts in town you can see

588
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,480
cuz they have sidewalks.

589
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,760
We're a different entity out here on

590
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,880
Shade Street.

591
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,560
Um,

592
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,520
I lived here, I moved here because I

593
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,680
felt like it was a country feel.

594
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,040
A massive 8-ft fence completely disrupts

595
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,560
our open rural landscape in the

596
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,440
neighborhood, trading our welcome

597
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,480
country field to an aggressive closed-in

598
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,160
barrier.

599
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,880
If privacy was a main concern here,

600
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,120
it is already being looked after. The

601
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,960
rear and side of my property has large

602
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:40,400
trees that go beyond the height of

603
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,720
that's requested.

604
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,520
Which already provide a beautiful

605
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,480
privacy without compromising safety in

606
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,920
turn. I ask that you protect the

607
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,520
community character and the safety of

608
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,520
our children

609
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,840
by uh denying this variance. Thank you.

610
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,445
» Thank you.

611
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,920
Um, are there any questions for this

612
00:22:59,445 --> 00:23:02,560
» [clears throat]

613
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:05,840
» From the committee?

614
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:09,440
See Say none. Um thank you for joining

615
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:11,891
us. Uh we will uh move to the next

616
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,040
individual that would like to speak. Um

617
00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:15,160
» [clears throat]

618
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,160
» But appreciate your time.

619
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:22,760
» Okay, and the uh next uh person to be

620
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,760
promoted as a panelist is uh

621
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,760
Jasmine Clark.

622
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:33,400
» Just a quick reminder to introduce

623
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:35,680
yourself, your name, and your address.

624
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880
Uh and we'll have 7 minutes starting

625
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,056
once you're in.

626
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Um you're currently uh on mute, and

627
00:23:40,056 --> 00:23:44,960
[clears throat] if you can turn your

628
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,960
camera on, that'd be appreciated.

629
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,440
Are you able to take yourself off mute?

630
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,280
» So, uh in the bottom left-hand corner,

631
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,800
there'll be a microphone symbol and a

632
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,840
video camera symbol. You

633
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,280
You've unmuted yourself now.

634
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Um

635
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,080
» Yeah.

636
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,200
» Okay, we can hear you, but we cannot see

637
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,880
you. So, if you're able to turn your

638
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,480
video on, that'd be appreciated.

639
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,680
» Okay, so now how do I turn on the video?

640
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,160
Start video.

641
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,160
» Yep, there'll be a video camera symbol

642
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,280
on the bottom left. Um there you are.

643
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,520
Okay, great.

644
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,760
» Um I'm just I'm just getting in cuz I've

645
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,760
met Raj today and I met um her

646
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,400
son-in-law. And uh I have I actually

647
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,120
walked straight up to the house.

648
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,520
And um

649
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,360
I can see where they're going from.

650
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Their backyard, still even with that

651
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:45,640
fence right now, is not overly private.

652
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,680
Um I'm not sure if it's Mr. Funk that's

653
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,960
on the side of them, but yeah, he can

654
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,480
definitely see right into their

655
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,760
backyard. So,

656
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,280
um I'm not saying that the whole fence

657
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,920
has to go 8 ft, but um like definitely

658
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,280
like they spoke like maybe certain

659
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,960
areas.

660
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,960
They could bring it up to 8 ft.

661
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:09,360
» And sorry, just for the record, where

662
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,960
are you located?

663
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,480
» Thank you.

664
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,040
» I'm at 1099 Pearl Street, just around

665
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,440
the corner, actually.

666
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,440
» Thank you.

667
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,040
» Sorry.

668
00:25:18,962 --> 00:25:19,720
» [clears throat]

669
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,440
» That's okay.

670
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,280
» No, I appreciate it.

671
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,040
» Um yeah, they seem like very delightful

672
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,800
people. I can understand they have three

673
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,080
small girls. I can understand why they

674
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,560
want the privacy. I also understand

675
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,240
where they're coming from whenever they

676
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,200
say that there's

677
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,680
there are many yards that back right

678
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,480
onto their yard, so they're giving them

679
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,120
privacy also from them

680
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,800
from doing what they say that they like

681
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:45,800
to do also in their spare time.

682
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,920
So, yeah, I'm not in disagreement with

683
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,120
it. I feel they should be allowed to do

684
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,960
it or at least like they mentioned

685
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,960
certain areas.

686
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,960
» Thank you. Are there any questions for

687
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Mrs. Clark?

688
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,800
Seeing none, thank you again for your

689
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,080
time and and the support. We'll move on

690
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,920
to

691
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,880
any Is it I guess is there others that

692
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,080
would like to speak Mr. Miller?

693
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,600
» Uh yes, the

694
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,880
next person would be

695
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,600
It's just listed as Fred here.

696
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,400
So, I'll just be promoting you in a

697
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,400
brief second.

698
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,120
Okay, Fred has declined to be promoted

699
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040
as a panelist. I will just do it one

700
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:38,320
more time in case it was an accident

701
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,840
because you've have your hand raised. If

702
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,520
you do not wish to be added, that's it's

703
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,880
no problem. You can just decline it once

704
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,880
more.

705
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:50,080
And they've are now joining.

706
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,040
» Welcome, Fred. Again, uh you are on

707
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,000
mute. Uh please introduce yourself with

708
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,320
your full name and your the address you

709
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,880
reside at.

710
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Uh and once you're going there, we will

711
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,880
get the time started. If you can turn

712
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,920
your camera on, please please do. That

713
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,920
would be appreciated.

714
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,680
» I don't know what this is.

715
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,640
Do we press the left button?

716
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,640
» Yeah, there should be a a video camera

717
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,720
symbol on the bottom left-hand corner.

718
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,760
» We don't see it.

719
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,160
We don't see it.

720
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,680
» If not, we Yeah, we can hear you. So.

721
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,600
» Okay.

722
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,600
» Okay.

723
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,160
Uh my name's Fred Gates. Uh we've lived

724
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,480
here since 2005.

725
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:41,080
We live at 231 Perth. So, I'm the

726
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,240
neighbor in the rear of the fence.

727
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:47,520
Uh I get the long uh uh

728
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,800
length of the back of the fence. And we

729
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,160
object to the the height of the fence.

730
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,160
Uh

731
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:58,160
basically, we agree with Mr. Funkin that

732
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:01,160
we're seeing kind of the same uh as far

733
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,960
as the fence line is concerned. We've

734
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,960
been here, like I said, uh through no

735
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,720
fences at all and then the chain-link

736
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,960
fence prior to this

737
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,440
uh fence. And we are we were we moved

738
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:17,280
here because of the open area. There is

739
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,880
a chain-link fence to the uh north of

740
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,640
us, but other than that, it's an open

741
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,120
area to the railroad

742
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,800
uh area in the back. And then to the

743
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:28,120
front in the the uh east, almost all the

744
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,720
way to the river.

745
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:34,040
Uh we appreciate the idea that they need

746
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:36,760
to have privacy. But at the other side

747
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,360
of that is if you were up here looking

748
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,360
what I'm looking at right now, I see a

749
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,760
great big wall of wood. Um and so, I

750
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,360
don't see any reason why it needs to be

751
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,680
higher than the

752
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,520
the maximum allowed by the by the board,

753
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,400
I guess I'd say it that

754
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,520
Um we also are on the

755
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,800
uh the edge of the survey line, and so

756
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,360
the concrete that was poured for the

757
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:05,400
fencing is also

758
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:08,120
um in our yard uh and or is higher than

759
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,840
our yard itself. So, something needs to

760
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,680
be done with the ability for that to be

761
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,440
uh taken down, not covered up, because

762
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,000
we we all have problems with the

763
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,880
drainage here from the railroad crossing

764
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,920
down. Uh so um

765
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,680
um concerned about that as well, but the

766
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,600
fence line uh

767
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,680
I would object to that. So, that's what

768
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,040
That's that's it.

769
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,360
» Thank you.

770
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Are there any questions prior to moving

771
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720
to the next individual?

772
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Seeing none, thank [clears throat] you

773
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,000
uh for your conversation there, uh Mr.

774
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Miller. Are there others that are

775
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,520
interested in speaking for or against?

776
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,400
» Yep.

777
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,000
» Yep.

778
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,000
» Just um 1 second.

779
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:57,160
Uh next individual is uh listed here as

780
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Bart.

781
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,160
» I do recognize that uh this is a little

782
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:10,280
bit repetitive, but just a reminder to

783
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:13,200
uh state your name and your address. Uh

784
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,960
and once you're in uh

785
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,200
if your camera can be turned on, that

786
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:21,920
would be appreciated. And at the moment

787
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,920
uh you're muted. There we go.

788
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Thank you and welcome.

789
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,120
» Um yes, my name is Bart Van Handel. I

790
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,440
live

791
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:38,400
at uh 241 Shade Street.

792
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:42,120
So, we are across the street on Shade

793
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Street from 226 Shade. And I think

794
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,080
probably one house

795
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:51,160
to the west.

796
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:53,920
Uh so not directly across, but but um

797
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,680
almost. Um

798
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,680
so I guess

799
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Yeah.

800
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,520
We had moved here in uh 1982. In fact,

801
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,520
the Shade Street was even uh still

802
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,680
gravel at that point.

803
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,520
Um and yeah, we moved here um for

804
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,440
it being having a rural um

805
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,080
I guess village town feel.

806
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,800
Um

807
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,800
very few fences um

808
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,560
here.

809
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Um

810
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,920
So I guess the the the first impression

811
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,080
that I get when

812
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,920
when I look at the

813
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,360
the stone wall on or the concrete wall

814
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,000
on Shade Street and and the steel gates

815
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:44,000
is and then the the and the

816
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,440
well, even the 6-ft 6 fence

817
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,560
all around I guess the long driveway

818
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,360
back to the I think the property's in

819
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,080
L-shape. Anyway, it it looks like like a

820
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,640
gated community and which is

821
00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:01,520
far from what um

822
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:03,240
what uh New Hamburg has been about.

823
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Um

824
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,720
So

825
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:11,960
yeah, it's it just changes the

826
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,200
character of the neighborhood in

827
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:18,200
general.

828
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:20,560
Um I do sympathize with Dugan. Um

829
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,560
especially because he has I think he has

830
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,880
60-ft frontage, but

831
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,120
um

832
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,760
Yes, I

833
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,600
having been here this many years um

834
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,840
the

835
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,200
the prevailing winds are from the west

836
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,520
and uh that fence will

837
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,800
lock in snow for him and so has quite a

838
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:44,480
bit of snow to move

839
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,840
move around and and and so on. Anyway,

840
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000
and then if you move it from 6 ft 6 to 8

841
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000
ft

842
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,280
yeah, it just

843
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,080
to me if if I were in his shoes, it

844
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,440
would feel really boxed in.

845
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,480
So

846
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,480
um

847
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Yes. Now, having said that

848
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,600
absolutely we welcome new people to the

849
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,640
neighborhood and um we're [laughter]

850
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,200
we're very happy to have have new

851
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,960
neighbors and whatnot. Any of the

852
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,560
neighbors that were in the house we all

853
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,720
that particular house we've always had

854
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,480
very friendly relations with and we hope

855
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,440
that will be the situation.

856
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Um I can

857
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,880
uh appreciate that um

858
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,200
you know, they're in Chicago and

859
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:33,840
um but in the Chicago area perhaps

860
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,800
fencing and

861
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,520
gating is maybe more common there, but

862
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,840
this is a a very friendly and very safe

863
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,400
community.

864
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,720
Um people look out look out for each

865
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
other, so

866
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,280
um

867
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Anyway, I would I would like to welcome

868
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,880
the the neighbors um

869
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,440
the new neighbors to 226 Shade Street,

870
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,560
but

871
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,800
I guess I've just expressed how this I

872
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,160
guess impacts us um and the impression

873
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,520
it leaves. So, that's that's it.

874
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,080
» Thank you.

875
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,573
Uh any questions

876
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,573
from the committee? [clears throat]

877
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,080
Did I unmute myself? Any questions from

878
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,840
the committee? No.

879
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Okay. Thank you again for your time.

880
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,520
Uh we will move to the next individual

881
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,200
that's interested in

882
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,200
speaking.

883
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,440
» Uh as of right now there is isn't anyone

884
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,679
with their

885
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,919
hands raised. I would um

886
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,080
Mr. Mackie has just raised his hand, so

887
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:36,879
I will

888
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,200
um

889
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:41,800
promote and then the applicant has also

890
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,480
raised, but after all the people in the

891
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,200
audience, virtual audience have spoken,

892
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,679
we'll give the applicant

893
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,679
another opportunity.

894
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,919
Yeah.

895
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:53,520
Okay, Mr. Mackie's been promoted. Just

896
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:53,520
1 second.

897
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,120
» Just again, if you can

898
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,440
turn your camera on and

899
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,600
unmute, you got it. 7 minutes. Thank

900
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,400
you.

901
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,880
» I

902
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,480
I just figured out how to do that.

903
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,760
Literally the second.

904
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Um

905
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,480
Right off the bat, I would I'd be more

906
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,080
than happy to welcome

907
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,960
our new neighbors. They're fantastic.

908
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,320
I've met all of them.

909
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Um

910
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:30,000
I I think I would start my comments with

911
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,920
the regret that all of the fencing and

912
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,680
the concrete gates and things at the at

913
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,480
the front of the

914
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,600
of the property

915
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,520
got installed before there was any

916
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,360
discussion whatsoever, be it with the

917
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,120
township. I don't know if there was a

918
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,560
need for a building permit for something

919
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,400
like that or not or or if it could have

920
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,640
if

921
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,560
conversations with the township and the

922
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,240
and the neighborhood

923
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,640
could have would have taken place.

924
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,680
Um

925
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,600
just to have this discussion that we're

926
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,320
having now

927
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,040
prior to

928
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:09,560
the massively costly installation of of

929
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,720
what is now physically there and I don't

930
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,120
anticipate it's going to be easy to to

931
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:15,880
change that.

932
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,080
Had it if I had my

933
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,720
» If I may, can you just tell us your

934
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,040
address just to get some context?

935
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,880
» I'm sorry. Paul Mackie, 182

936
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,200
Shade Street.

937
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,120
» Okay, thank you.

938
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,920
Continue.

939
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,040
» I got all excited about fact that I had

940
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,040
video and audio.

941
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Um, so yeah, I'm just down the street.

942
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,480
It the this to be honest it

943
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,120
where I am relative to this

944
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,960
uh,

945
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,840
it doesn't impact me very much. But I do

946
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,800
recognize that that there's a bit of a

947
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,240
dilemma with with the whole situation.

948
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840
And

949
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,640
as I say

950
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,720
if if I'm I'm looking at the picture

951
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,760
here of the of the property

952
00:36:55,720 --> 00:37:01,760
if I were to have had conversations

953
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,640
with within the township situation like

954
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,320
we're doing right now

955
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,240
I would have I would have made a

956
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,240
recommendation to

957
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,360
essentially go ahead with a

958
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:15,240
personally a 6-ft fence, but with the

959
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,360
gate back at the the the neighbor's

960
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,360
property line which would put it I don't

961
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,320
know 80 ft back

962
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,760
from the from the road. Right now we're

963
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,720
about 20 whatever the the minimum is I

964
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,000
guess 20 ft from the road.

965
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:32,600
That seems to be to me that's the

966
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,200
biggest dilemma. Is the imposition

967
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,520
of that section of fence on that

968
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000
neighbor.

969
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Uh, all of the rest of them there is

970
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,120
distance between. It's

971
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,960
it is a visibility issue.

972
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,360
Um, a visual appeal or not appeal to

973
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,680
people's

974
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,480
opinion about what they want to look at.

975
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,880
But

976
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,960
was there any discussion with the

977
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,440
township about where

978
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,800
they chose to place that concrete the

979
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,840
gates?

980
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
I guess is my question to to you to

981
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Tyler and

982
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,200
» So if I I may um

983
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:11,400
the the construction of the fence is not

984
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,240
something that we can we know Mr. Miller

985
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,160
you can add to it on its

986
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,680
appropriateness. Um, what we are

987
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:21,560
considering is the change in height the

988
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:23,760
allowance of a 6 sorry 1.98 m fence to a

989
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,840
2.44.

990
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,080
The fact that the fence that is there

991
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,840
may still exist even without the

992
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,400
variance.

993
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,200
So that would be something that Mr.

994
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Miller if you want to comment on you can

995
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,760
but you don't need to.

996
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,440
» Um

997
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Yeah, thank you Mr. Chair. The only

998
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,320
thing I would add is

999
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,920
the property owner

1000
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,120
did confirm

1001
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,600
where a 6 foot high gate could be

1002
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,800
constructed.

1003
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:56,280
And that is 7.6 meters about 25 feet

1004
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,200
back from the front property line.

1005
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,120
Um because it can't exceed

1006
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,240
um basically

1007
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,480
.76 meters which is about 2 and 1/2 feet

1008
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:08,440
in a front yard. So beyond that distance

1009
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,840
it can exceed

1010
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,760
and and be limited at 6.6. What was

1011
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,880
communicated um there was an opportunity

1012
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,040
to seek an increase in height through

1013
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,680
this through this process. Um

1014
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,920
there is public notification that's

1015
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,840
given obviously through this process

1016
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,640
which is how majority of people have

1017
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,440
come to find out about what is going on.

1018
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Um however it's it's generally strongly

1019
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,440
recommended that conversations happen

1020
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,520
beforehand

1021
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,200
before filing application

1022
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640
and that goes with anything.

1023
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,640
» Thank you.

1024
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,680
» Anyway, [clears throat] that that would

1025
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,120
that would be my that would those would

1026
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:46,560
be my my comments and my thoughts. I

1027
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,640
I regret that those conversations didn't

1028
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,360
occur

1029
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,440
because it might have saved a bit of

1030
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,000
this

1031
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,520
this grief that's taking place.

1032
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Um

1033
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:00,360
either way given the choice of accepting

1034
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,880
or or not approving or agreeing with the

1035
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,080
increase to the the height

1036
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,200
my thought would be I I would prefer it

1037
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,800
stays lower. That would if I had to vote

1038
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,080
on it I would vote to the stay lower.

1039
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,880
And as I say I've met the neighbors

1040
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,960
they're they're fantastic. I I don't

1041
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,760
want any of this to impact the

1042
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:20,480
neighborhood opinion of each other.

1043
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Um

1044
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,120
let's let's sort this out somehow and uh

1045
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,560
get a consensus and keep things keep

1046
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,000
things happy.

1047
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,520
» Thank you, Mr. Mackey. Are there any

1048
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,360
questions for

1049
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,800
from the committee? No.

1050
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:39,160
Okay, I appreciate your time. Uh Mr.

1051
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Miller, are there other individuals from

1052
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,120
the community that would like to comment

1053
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,960
or are we going back to the applicant?

1054
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,840
» Um as of right now, there's no one has

1055
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,520
their hand raised. I'd give one last

1056
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,760
opportunity as I know that um

1057
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,560
and I'm not going to I'm not going to

1058
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,200
name addresses or anything, but there

1059
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,800
there's a few properties one property

1060
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,600
that does abut a section of this fence

1061
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,920
and uh they are present at the meeting

1062
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,760
this evening.

1063
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Um

1064
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920
if they do wish to comment either one

1065
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,800
way or the other, they've they've gone

1066
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,600
ahead and raised their hand. I

1067
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,960
appreciate that, so I will add them to

1068
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,960
the meeting just so

1069
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,160
um we have feedback from almost all

1070
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,000
surrounding properties. There is um I

1071
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,080
did not hear back from 215 Perth Street.

1072
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,640
But um

1073
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:23,640
this I'm about to promote um

1074
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,920
Carrie just 1 second.

1075
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,440
» So again, please just intro- introduce

1076
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,640
yourself, your name, and your the

1077
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,600
address, uh and I will have 7 minutes

1078
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,600
for you to speak.

1079
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:37,320
Welcome.

1080
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,120
» Hi, everybody. I'm Carrie Sounthones. I

1081
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,480
live at 223 Perth Street. So, just

1082
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,400
around the corner, we are in the

1083
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,400
backyard of Raj and our new neighbors.

1084
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,600
So, welcome. We're excited to meet you.

1085
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,000
We have not met everybody yet, but very

1086
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,920
excited to meet you. Uh

1087
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,720
I just want to say we're happy to have

1088
00:41:52,920 --> 00:42:00,200
new neighbors and I respect the bylaw. I

1089
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:02,520
respect all our neighbors' opinions and

1090
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,360
everybody's feelings towards it. My

1091
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,960
husband and I

1092
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,080
we're okay with the 8-ft fence. It has

1093
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:14,400
worked out lovely in our backyard. Um

1094
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,720
so, we don't have any concerns with the

1095
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,360
increased

1096
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,920
height of the fence, but at the same

1097
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,800
point we also respect our neighbors

1098
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,080
concerns that are being raised for the

1099
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,680
impact on their properties.

1100
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,040
So, I guess that's all I have to say

1101
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,440
about that.

1102
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,440
So, again, welcome. Looking forward to

1103
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
meeting everybody.

1104
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,000
» Thank you.

1105
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,800
Are there any questions

1106
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,000
on the line?

1107
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,000
Seeing none, um

1108
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,520
are there others than Mr. Miller in the

1109
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
audience?

1110
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,960
» Um as of right now, we have the

1111
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480
applicant

1112
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,360
uh with their hand raised and I will

1113
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:56,200
give I believe there are a few other

1114
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,720
individuals in the virtual audience that

1115
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,280
haven't spoken. If you have not spoken

1116
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,880
and wish to speak,

1117
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,600
uh provide you with uh I'll just give

1118
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,440
about 10 seconds if you'd like to raise

1119
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,520
your hand. Uh failing that, we'll give

1120
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,880
the applicant the opportunity to address

1121
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,080
some of the comments that have been made

1122
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,520
and then um um

1123
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,920
I'd like to add something at the end of

1124
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,000
all that, Mr. Chair. Um so, again, we'll

1125
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,400
give about 10 seconds um and see if

1126
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,920
anyone else. And failing that, I will um

1127
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,120
re-add the applicant into uh the

1128
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,120
meeting.

1129
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,040
» Okay, so I'm not seeing anybody, so I

1130
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,400
will go ahead and re-add the uh property

1131
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,400
owners.

1132
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,720
» Welcome back. Uh if you have uh a few

1133
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,320
comments, please feel free to add to

1134
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,400
your previous uh

1135
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,880
uh previous words and and then we'll

1136
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,080
move on from there.

1137
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,240
Please go ahead.

1138
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,400
» Yep. Can you Can you hear us? Okay.

1139
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:07,000
Uh yeah, first of all, uh I would just

1140
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,240
like to thank you um

1141
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,640
our neighbors.

1142
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:12,960
We respect their honest opinion. I would

1143
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,640
like to

1144
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,600
uh

1145
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
uh

1146
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,960
do consider some of the points that were

1147
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,400
mentioned and

1148
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,840
um

1149
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,240
and just give us our point of view where

1150
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,880
we are coming from. Uh so there were a

1151
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:29,480
few things that was mentioned

1152
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:33,160
that the fence looks higher than

1153
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:36,040
expected and in many places it's already

1154
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,880
uh constructed 8 ft. Uh I think this is

1155
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,200
something we've already mentioned to the

1156
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,720
city

1157
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,560
that we were not home. The workers made

1158
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,560
the fence. We don't want to

1159
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,760
make them do extra work in case we do

1160
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600
get a permit from the city. So we told

1161
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,960
them, "Okay, just hold on. Don't do any

1162
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,960
more work

1163
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,000
because we don't have the permit yet."

1164
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Um so yeah, we apologize for the

1165
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,560
inconvenience that caused, but that was

1166
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,760
not our intention.

1167
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Um

1168
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Uh we met Paul yesterday. He's He's the

1169
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:10,440
girls love him. It was great meeting him

1170
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,040
and I appreciate his comments.

1171
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Um

1172
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,440
I we also in hindsight we wish

1173
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,480
we were

1174
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,680
um

1175
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040
we had

1176
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,880
further discussions with our

1177
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,520
neighborhood before we went on and

1178
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,680
did this project.

1179
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,400
The challenge being we don't live here

1180
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,360
permanently yet.

1181
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,480
We're still in the process of moving.

1182
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,360
Kids are in school. It's very hard to

1183
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,600
get out of home and then we come here.

1184
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,920
Um

1185
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:42,400
it's a lot of work. So it's I I wish we

1186
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,800
had time to meet everyone and discuss

1187
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,000
what we are thinking. Um

1188
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,640
But that is how I would have done it in

1189
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
hindsight too.

1190
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,320
Um

1191
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,440
» We We wish we could have and we

1192
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,040
definitely wanted to have

1193
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,160
» Yeah. And and one of our neighbors also

1194
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:01,040
mentioned that we our concrete is maybe

1195
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,760
accidentally poured on their side. I

1196
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,080
just want to rest assure everyone the

1197
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,000
work is not done yet. We are just

1198
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,360
waiting for the permit before we go any

1199
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,520
further. Yeah, so we are going to clean

1200
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,440
everything up. We're going to put

1201
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,320
topsoil on. If the grass is dead, we'll

1202
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,040
make sure it's fixed. The idea is to

1203
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,520
make sure this fence looks

1204
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,400
professionally done and not something

1205
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,960
that is just put there. Um

1206
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,760
A lot of comments were around the

1207
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,760
aesthetic.

1208
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,880
I

1209
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,960
I think I understand where people are

1210
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,160
coming from. Uh this neighborhood has

1211
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,920
long been uh

1212
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,040
more of like an open community without

1213
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,120
any fences. So people in general seem

1214
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
little

1215
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,600
uh

1216
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,800
uh concerned about fences in general.

1217
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:49,200
Any any sort of fences in general, but

1218
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,120
but our

1219
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,760
but that doesn't apply to this variance

1220
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,040
application. Um

1221
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,760
I understand sometimes fences is not

1222
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:01,520
what you prefer,

1223
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:02,920
uh but uh but because of our unique uh

1224
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,400
we we have three young daughters. They

1225
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,720
run around everywhere. I cannot keep

1226
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,560
track of them.

1227
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:12,480
Um I also I'm out of the country for

1228
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,160
work. Uh I haven't found a job in Canada

1229
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,520
yet, so we are just trying to figure

1230
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,480
everything out. My wife is home alone,

1231
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,840
and it gives us a lot of peace of mind

1232
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,200
when we think, "Okay, everything is

1233
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,760
closed off. Kids are not running away

1234
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,720
uh and somebody is not in the pool and

1235
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040
one is outside the street." So it gives

1236
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,880
us that confidence.

1237
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,720
» Their clothes on. Like they're young and

1238
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,840
no matter what that age, it's just so

1239
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,320
hard to

1240
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,200
explain to them that whether it's hot

1241
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,487
outside or not, you need to keep your

1242
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,520
clothing on. I don't care

1243
00:47:36,487 --> 00:47:39,560
[clears throat] that there's a pool in

1244
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,720
the backyard. Like they're just young

1245
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:44,760
and and as a female, it it makes it you

1246
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,320
feel a little more exposed.

1247
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,240
» Yeah.

1248
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,840
» Um and you just want that privacy when

1249
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:51,400
you're swimming in your own pool.

1250
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,960
Otherwise, you'd be in a community area.

1251
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,880
A community pool.

1252
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,800
» And

1253
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,720
and yeah, so I just would like to say

1254
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,240
that to

1255
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:02,840
the the committee that um

1256
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:04,200
I hope

1257
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,200
you know, you understand our point of

1258
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,080
view, where we are coming from.

1259
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,200
Um I understand a lot of concerns are

1260
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,960
about the fence in general, but that

1261
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,600
doesn't apply to the minor variance

1262
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,000
itself. [laughter]

1263
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,600
» Mhm.

1264
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,240
» Um and um you're welcome to come over,

1265
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
look at our property. It's on a really

1266
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,280
high slope.

1267
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,800
» Comes one with us.

1268
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,680
» Yeah. So,

1269
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,480
» Three small children.

1270
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,080
» Yeah, so

1271
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,640
» Some of them they're naked, you know.

1272
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,720
» And yeah, that's all. I mean, unless you

1273
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,000
have anything to say.

1274
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:34,720
» This is Raj, you know, like

1275
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,800
Raj

1276
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:40,120
I'm the one who put the application for

1277
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,640
this minor variance. Hi everyone.

1278
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,320
I have my concern, you know, like I had,

1279
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,800
you know, I live in Waterloo 48 years.

1280
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,840
And you know, my fence I had, you know,

1281
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,600
swimming pool there, too. My fence was

1282
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,920
6.6. One of the night, 2:00 in the

1283
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,320
morning, I seen

1284
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,600
bunch of teenager. It was in my swimming

1285
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,800
pool. My purse got stolen from my, you

1286
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,400
know, like kitchen table, you know, from

1287
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,200
my backyard. People jump in.

1288
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,760
I'm not lying. It was reported to the

1289
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,720
police. Police actually found they took

1290
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,440
the money out, threw my purse, you know,

1291
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:19,640
some other other person's yard. And here

1292
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:23,280
I find someone put the bad messages on

1293
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:25,520
our gate. We are sold I. That's what the

1294
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,200
message we got. So,

1295
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,480
I

1296
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,920
I we are isolated. And I feel it's a

1297
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,560
discrimination here because of our our

1298
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,720
color. And I was going to see my you

1299
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,840
know, like front yard. And you know,

1300
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,880
like I was going to talk to him. And

1301
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,480
when I was on his front porch, and I

1302
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,160
said, "Oh, you can see your front

1303
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,360
neighbor's, you know, everything." He

1304
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,920
said, "I like seeing it." I don't like

1305
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:52,200
that comment. Another thing, you know, I

1306
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,280
I seen, you know, on his side there was

1307
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,160
a little bit, you know, like a cement of

1308
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,560
2 3 in. I said, I will cut it down. I

1309
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:02,200
will put the top soil and I will put the

1310
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:04,160
seed on. Steven, you will be happy. He

1311
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,880
said, I never be happy. That was his

1312
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:10,320
comment. So, I How I feel comfortable

1313
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,840
with the these kind of neighbors who are

1314
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,760
all the time running to the, you know,

1315
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:17,200
like a city hall and so many city hall

1316
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,200
people coming to me, you know. I'm not

1317
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,720
feeling comfortable. I'm feeling

1318
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,080
horrible about it. We are not feeling

1319
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:26,040
welcome in this neighborhood because of

1320
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,080
our color. It's a

1321
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,120
discrimination here.

1322
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,320
» It's okay.

1323
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Yeah, okay. Let's

1324
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,440
» I I think that

1325
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:38,880
I mean, from a safety perspective, it

1326
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,400
certainly feels like when you're

1327
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,920
when I mean, like for example, one of

1328
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,960
the neighbors put a caution sign in

1329
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
front of you.

1330
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,440
» By on my forehead.

1331
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,880
» So, I do want to I do want to focus

1332
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,480
» I

1333
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,640
» I'm just saying it's from a safety

1334
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,920
perspective. I

1335
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,360
appreciate

1336
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,360
» I think the point is safety is also

1337
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,440
important. If that's like that's the

1338
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,560
only point. Yeah, it's okay.

1339
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,520
» They were never to be watched to me.

1340
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,120
Anyway, they keep eye on where I'm

1341
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,880
going. They must be

1342
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,640
They can see my whole house from there,

1343
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,600
you know.

1344
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,600
I can see He can see everything on my

1345
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
side. I don't want him to watch me.

1346
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,320
» It's okay.

1347
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,880
» So, I want to be really respectful here,

1348
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
but we have

1349
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,680
» I was trying to be a good neighbor. I

1350
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,880
was very nice to them and they're

1351
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,080
running all the time to

1352
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,360
» And so, Mr. Miller, we made it to the

1353
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
conclusion that we have

1354
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,360
» I'm going to mute it. I'm going to mute

1355
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,720
it. Yeah.

1356
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,040
I'm going to mute it, too.

1357
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,640
» Uh-huh.

1358
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,000
» If there's any questions from the

1359
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,720
committee,

1360
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,440
um

1361
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,840
we'll allow one opportunity here and

1362
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,880
then um I will just as from staff add

1363
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,200
something.

1364
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,800
Um and then we'll we'll proceed.

1365
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,440
» You might be adding what I want to touch

1366
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,480
on. So, Mr. Roth, please go ahead.

1367
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,440
» Um are we allowed to uh, comment on the

1368
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,520
situation now, Mr. Miller, or do you

1369
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,160
want to make your your, uh, statements

1370
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,000
first?

1371
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,840
» So, if you have questions, Mr. Roth, for

1372
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,600
the applicant,

1373
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,400
» Well, it's it's not it's not a question.

1374
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,600
It's, uh, a comment.

1375
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,385
» Okay, so if if that's the case, are

1376
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,520
there questions for the applicant? Mr.

1377
00:52:04,385 --> 00:52:07,880
[clears throat] Roth, I will come back

1378
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,120
to you. Sorry, I don't mean

1379
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Um,

1380
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,960
seeing none, I think I'll let Mr.

1381
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,720
Miller, you speak to what you want to

1382
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,240
staff. My comments are going to be

1383
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,720
around what the actual

1384
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:22,240
rec motion is,

1385
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:26,240
um, and and as well as taking into

1386
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,240
context what was known before, uh, this

1387
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,600
uh, client

1388
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,120
before the application and Mr. Miller's,

1389
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,000
uh, recommendation or staff

1390
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,360
recommendation was. So, please go ahead,

1391
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,360
Mr. Miller.

1392
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,440
» Uh, yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so

1393
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,760
just to summarize, um, just because

1394
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,640
again, this is a virtual format, um, I

1395
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,760
would just like to highlight

1396
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,280
uh, who we've received feedback from.

1397
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,320
Um, so,

1398
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,560
in terms of properties that are directly

1399
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,680
abutting, it would be 216 Shade Street,

1400
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,360
uh, which is, uh, immediately to the

1401
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,280
east of this property. We've received

1402
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,000
feedback from 231 Perth Street, which,

1403
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,720
uh, is immediately north and directly

1404
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,440
abutting. Uh, both of uh, whom were

1405
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:08,720
against the fence. Um,

1406
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,920
223 Perth Street is to the west of the

1407
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:16,000
property, directly abutting, um, and did

1408
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:18,280
express support for the fence. 215 Perth

1409
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,880
Street, we did not receive

1410
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,360
comments from,

1411
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,360
uh, nor did they, uh, register this

1412
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,480
evening.

1413
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,480
Um, the remaining property would be in

1414
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:31,120
the front at 234 Per- uh, Shade Street,

1415
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,680
excuse me, and, um, they expressed

1416
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,160
concerns with the increase in fence

1417
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,960
height. Um, similarly, there were some

1418
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,640
residents across the street, um, who

1419
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,120
took, uh, issue with the increase of

1420
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,360
height of the gate, uh which is facing

1421
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,200
south towards their properties.

1422
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,080
Um so again from a from a staff

1423
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:53,360
perspective, we have we have highlighted

1424
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:55,040
that probably the the test uh from from

1425
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,080
a staff perspective again in the intent

1426
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,400
of offense bylaw being from 2009, uh

1427
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,200
just back to Mr. Funk's earlier

1428
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,440
comments, um

1429
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,520
is that

1430
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,400
ultimately we are discussing an increase

1431
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:10,880
of of uh 1 and 1/2 ft here here this

1432
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,600
evening, and that is the sole focus of

1433
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,160
what the committee is contemplating, an

1434
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,520
increase of of 1 and 1/2 ft. Um the

1435
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,320
other issues that have uh

1436
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,760
occurred um

1437
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,040
uh alleged or have occurred or relating

1438
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,760
to

1439
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,280
um you know, mass or anything, those

1440
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,560
those either are property standards

1441
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,840
issues or potential sections of offense

1442
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,200
that have been created that'd be a bylaw

1443
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,280
issue for our bylaw staff to enforce.

1444
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,600
Um

1445
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,920
from a staff perspective again, the

1446
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,720
recommendation provided was this uh in

1447
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,880
absence of any comments received from

1448
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:44,200
the public um at that stage, so it is a

1449
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,120
recommendation for the entire perimeter.

1450
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,840
Um

1451
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:50,080
the committee can make a decision um

1452
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,280
to provide an alternative recommendation

1453
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,920
this evening based on the feedback of

1454
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,760
the property owners that um

1455
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,800
either didn't write in or didn't object,

1456
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:01,680
which would again be 223 Perth Street

1457
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,880
and 215 Perth Street. Um there was uh

1458
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:07,000
not as much mention of the front gate.

1459
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,120
Um most sections are 6 ft 6. I did visit

1460
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,680
it. There are some of the posts that are

1461
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,320
8 ft um at the end cap there.

1462
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Um

1463
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,720
so

1464
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,000
ultimately it'd be the committee's uh

1465
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:21,400
decision this evening, but from a staff

1466
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,840
perspective again, I think the report uh

1467
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,640
despite the recommendation, um

1468
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,360
the report summarizes again um what

1469
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,400
staff feel is being the main test of a

1470
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,240
variance. Ultimately it's the

1471
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000
committee's decision on on how they feel

1472
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,000
that that bylaw should uh be

1473
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,960
interpreted. Um and that's all pretty

1474
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,800
pretty all the comments I have to add.

1475
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,440
» Thank you Mr. Miller. Can I quickly ask

1476
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,200
just one question? Oh, sorry Mr. Roth,

1477
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,880
you you please go ahead. You were

1478
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,520
» Well, if you I I still would want to

1479
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,000
make a comment. I don't have a question.

1480
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,240
If you have a question, I think you

1481
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,440
should go first.

1482
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,480
» Okay, I'll take take you up on that.

1483
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,280
Sorry for the back and forth.

1484
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,240
Mr. Miller,

1485
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,600
if

1486
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:05,720
how so it is the recommendation is for

1487
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,640
the entire perimeter recognizing that as

1488
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:10,160
you noted

1489
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,160
we didn't hear from some adjacent

1490
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:16,440
properties and some were in potentially

1491
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:19,560
in favor. So if we're I just as as a

1492
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,040
note if we said

1493
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:25,160
ask for an alternative

1494
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,720
approach should we be

1495
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,920
um

1496
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,640
is that a separate submission by the

1497
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,280
applicant to say this is what I would

1498
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,040
like to do or you or the staff would

1499
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,040
come and

1500
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,360
provide one?

1501
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,840
» Um someone can bring forward a motion

1502
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,480
for an alternative recommendation

1503
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,160
um

1504
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:47,240
based on how they feel to best move

1505
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,640
forward. If um I guess the first thing

1506
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,160
would would be ask if there's a mover

1507
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,400
and a second or for the original motion.

1508
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,960
» So we'll move this motion forward but

1509
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,320
following that we'll decide if

1510
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,480
» If not then someone committee member

1511
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,880
would need to bring forward a

1512
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,160
motion

1513
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:05,960
and specify in this case either if it's

1514
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,880
you know zero sections or specific

1515
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,480
sections. Again, I'd leave that to the

1516
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,760
committee.

1517
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,520
» Okay, so please comment Mr. Roth.

1518
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,160
» Thank you Mr. Chair.

1519
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:20,360
Um having visited the site on two

1520
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:23,280
different occasions um

1521
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:26,360
and in light of the comments that we

1522
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,920
have heard this evening um I cannot

1523
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,600
support

1524
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:34,600
this particular motion.

1525
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,920
Uh in my humble opinion, the uh 6-foot-6

1526
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,520
fence

1527
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,880
um

1528
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:45,360
in looking at the site,

1529
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:49,320
uh provides uh I think ample um privacy

1530
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:51,640
and and security to to the property

1531
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:55,040
um to alleviate com- some of the

1532
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:57,640
concerns of of the applicant.

1533
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,760
When I look at the bylaw or

1534
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,640
sort of um

1535
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,480
understand a little bit of the bylaw and

1536
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:07,720
how bylaws work,

1537
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:11,760
this particular bylaw gives the option

1538
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:15,920
that if neighbor abutting neighbors um

1539
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:18,760
have concerns and and serious concerns

1540
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,880
that the 6-foot-6

1541
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:25,640
um measurement should apply and should

1542
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:30,840
be in effect. So, therefore, I cannot uh

1543
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:32,840
support um any increase in sight in any

1544
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,760
portion of the fence.

1545
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,760
And that would be my position.

1546
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,040
» Thank you, Mr. Ruth. Appreciate the the

1547
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:47,120
comments.

1548
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:51,280
Um with with that, I am going to uh ask

1549
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:54,560
for a motion to move uh a mover of the

1550
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,880
motion on that the Committee of

1551
00:58:54,560 --> 00:59:00,000
Adjustments

1552
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:01,800
approve this submission. So,

1553
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,480
uh we would move that for further

1554
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,520
conversation or move it, second it, and

1555
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,240
then we will have a uh a discussion and

1556
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,520
move and make our decision at that

1557
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,800
point. So, if anyone would like to move

1558
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,520
this motion for further conversation and

1559
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,440
decision, please

1560
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,440
raise your hand.

1561
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:26,680
If no one is So, uh if there's no and I

1562
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,520
would encourage, I'm not saying your

1563
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:33,000
motion to move it just to be clear means

1564
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,520
approval of the motion. It means we have

1565
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,920
the opportunity to make a decision on

1566
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,800
the motion either for or against.

1567
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,680
» As the chair has indicated it's getting

1568
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,520
it on the floor essentially so to speak.

1569
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,280
Um

1570
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,476
» So

1571
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,960
um is there any interest and and

1572
00:59:47,476 --> 00:59:51,600
[clears throat] I will press a little

1573
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,480
bit to move this motion forward so we're

1574
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:57,320
not deadlocked uh in the conversation

1575
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,520
moved by Mr. Miller. A second really

1576
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,160
means we we have two people interested

1577
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,320
in talking so move seconded by Mr.

1578
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,640
Kohler.

1579
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,360
Thank you both. So now we have the

1580
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:10,680
opportunity to if we want to add further

1581
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:13,480
comments to talk about this application

1582
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:15,960
and then I will call for a vote. And so

1583
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,920
I Mr. Roth I appreciate your comments.

1584
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,640
Um we can consider those as a committee

1585
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,720
as well. Are there any other comments

1586
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,640
that would like to be heard or spoken

1587
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,560
from this committee?

1588
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,680
Uh seeing none I would would like to

1589
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,240
call

1590
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,400
a vote on

1591
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:37,400
approving this submission.

1592
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,680
All those in favor

1593
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,560
» Would you would you please re-clarify

1594
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,120
what the motion actually

1595
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:46,400
» So so the recommendation here is that

1596
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,880
the Committee of Adjustments approve

1597
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:54,320
submission A-10/26

1598
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:58,720
by Kumari Singh affecting part of lot

1599
01:00:54,320 --> 01:01:03,800
part of lot 11 plan 532

1600
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:03,800
being part three on 58R-15009

1601
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:11,600
which is basically describing the lot of

1602
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:14,160
226 uh address to increase the maximum

1603
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,320
allowable fence height outside of the

1604
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:19,080
front yard setback or driveway

1605
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:22,880
visibility triangle set out in the

1606
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:28,560
zoning bylaw from 1.98 m

1607
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:31,640
to approximately 2.44 m. So, this motion

1608
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,480
sets out the ability to do it uh around

1609
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,560
the entire perimeter.

1610
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:38,720
Um so, if if we feel that some areas are

1611
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,080
okay, some are not, the

1612
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,120
uh the the the motion should not be

1613
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,720
carried if that is your view.

1614
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:48,960
Um if you're okay with moving forward

1615
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:53,000
with that approving the increase of

1616
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:55,720
height from 1.98 to 2.44,

1617
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:59,200
then that would be a vote in favor. So,

1618
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,040
um is that understood?

1619
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,120
More or less, yeah?

1620
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,680
» Yes, Mr. Chair. I would request a I

1621
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:08,720
would request a recorded vote.

1622
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,440
» Okay. So, I'm going to

1623
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,040
go through the motions and I will take

1624
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,520
that vote and not that it's not the

1625
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:17,480
motions uh through the call for a vote.

1626
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:20,360
So, can I all those in favor, please

1627
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,360
raise your hand?

1628
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,320
See Seeing none, all those opposed to

1629
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,760
this application, please raise your

1630
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,360
hand.

1631
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,440
» And then uh Mr. Roth, I would just like

1632
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,560
you to read the names of those opposed.

1633
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,480
For the purposes of

1634
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:38,800
» Right. I apologize for not listing that.

1635
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:42,920
So, those opposed are Christine Kohler,

1636
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Wayne Roth, and Stephen Miller.

1637
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,840
So, that

1638
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,920
uh

1639
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,800
that is the intent of that application.

1640
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,440
What I

1641
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,320
So, Mr. Miller, I'm going to ask for a

1642
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,920
little bit of a question here.

1643
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,840
» Sure.

1644
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:58,320
» Would now be the time if the committee

1645
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,560
would like to see a different motion to

1646
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,560
request

1647
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,920
» Someone can bring forward a an amended

1648
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,880
motion, yes.

1649
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,400
» So, is there interested in an amended

1650
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,600
motion?

1651
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:11,160
The outcome of this would be that this

1652
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:13,400
motion that we just defeated, we could

1653
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,160
suggest an amended motion, which would

1654
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:18,800
direct staff accordingly,

1655
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,880
or we could let it sit and let uh the

1656
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,000
applicant uh make a separate

1657
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,120
application. Is that fair?

1658
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,120
Uh

1659
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,760
» From a From a staff perspective, I would

1660
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,960
just highlight again that there are two

1661
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:32,800
abutting property owners that did not

1662
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:35,480
object. One actually was in favor. Um

1663
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,000
so um you know, despite a lot of the

1664
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,880
comments that were received, from a

1665
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,160
staff perspective

1666
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,800
um

1667
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,760
uh again, these directly abutting

1668
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,160
property owners either did not object

1669
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,280
and and one provided support. So um if

1670
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:52,080
there is a committee member that wishes

1671
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,400
to move a recommendation

1672
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,400
uh where

1673
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:58,000
the 8-ft high section would be permitted

1674
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:01,840
uh along

1675
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,520
uh 223 on the rear property line of 223

1676
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:07,400
Perth Street and additionally on 215

1677
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:09,480
Perth Street, limiting the

1678
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,880
remainder of the property

1679
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,440
to 6-ft 6.

1680
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,760
» Yep.

1681
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,880
» Um if there is

1682
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:19,480
» Any interest from the committee to move

1683
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,480
uh put on the floor another motion or to

1684
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,280
Seeing none,

1685
01:04:21,269 --> 01:04:24,880
» [clears throat]

1686
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,760
» Uh that motion is uh not approved and we

1687
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:29,440
will move on to the next application,

1688
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,320
Mr. Miller.

1689
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,800
» Okay.

1690
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:35,800
Um thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Um so

1691
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,040
that motion, again, just for the record

1692
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,960
of everyone in this meeting has been

1693
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,120
defeated. Um

1694
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,720
so

1695
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,920
um

1696
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:47,400
it's been it's been defeated by uh this

1697
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:50,120
committee. Okay, moving on to the next

1698
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,960
application this evening. And um thank

1699
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,640
you for everyone for your patience as we

1700
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,400
work through these. Uh the next

1701
01:04:53,640 --> 01:05:00,200
application is A11/26

1702
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:02,920
uh concerning 2451 Hearn Road. And so

1703
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,520
this proposes to reduce the uh minimum

1704
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,360
distance two requirements from a

1705
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:10,520
proposed barn to a nearest neighboring

1706
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:12,680
dwelling from uh 161 m to approximately

1707
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:15,800
147 m.

1708
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,120
Uh so property is roughly a 30-ha farm.

1709
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,480
It's developed with a single detached

1710
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:21,960
dwelling and existing poultry operation

1711
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,920
that contains a a 20,000 sq ft chicken

1712
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,560
barn.

1713
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,880
Uh there was a sketch provided as part

1714
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,120
of the application. It shows that the

1715
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,280
owners are proposing a a second uh

1716
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:33,280
chicken barn uh

1717
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,600
essentially of of equal size um and in a

1718
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:39,280
similar location but uh further to the

1719
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:41,920
east um than the existing uh barn.

1720
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,720
Uh so that MDS separation guideline that

1721
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,400
is is referred to here is a is a

1722
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,760
provincial formula but essentially it

1723
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,000
sets out minimum distances from

1724
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,200
livestock facilities and manure storages

1725
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,440
to uh sensitive land uses. And in the

1726
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,120
case here uh the sensitive land use

1727
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,520
would be uh a nearest neighboring

1728
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:02,120
dwelling located at 2469 Hearn Road. Uh

1729
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:04,480
and so that requirement sets out 161 m

1730
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:07,360
and um it's proposed to be reduced to

1731
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,200
147 m. Um

1732
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,840
so that's being sought essentially to

1733
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,240
keep the the cluster of buildings as

1734
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,200
close as possible for farming purposes.

1735
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,360
It is worth noting that the nearest

1736
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,720
neighboring dwelling in question is in

1737
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:23,240
is in ownership common ownership of a

1738
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:26,240
family of Pine Hill Poultry who's the uh

1739
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,720
proponent of this application. And um

1740
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,200
again there should be no additional

1741
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:32,960
impacts on any other surrounding uh

1742
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:34,680
homes as it's not proposing to go

1743
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,000
um closer than otherwise permitted to

1744
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,880
any of these other dwellings. In fact,

1745
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,680
it's actually going further further away

1746
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,120
from a dwelling to the south by pushing

1747
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,760
it further to the north. Um there is a

1748
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,360
bit of a compounding effect with um MDS

1749
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,600
regulations. When the first barn was

1750
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:52,000
constructed, I referred back to that

1751
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:54,440
from 2017 and it established 126 m

1752
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:57,560
setback. So um

1753
01:06:54,440 --> 01:07:00,640
in this case again the setback of uh

1754
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:02,680
147 m is greater than that existing barn

1755
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,960
but uh is a reduction to the current

1756
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,160
requirement. Um in circulating the

1757
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,840
application, we didn't receive any

1758
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,400
concerns and we're recommending that it

1759
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,400
be approved.

1760
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,080
» Thank you. Uh is the applicant

1761
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,640
uh it

1762
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,960
present and wanting to speak?

1763
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,440
» Uh yes,

1764
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,760
uh Mr. Head has raised his hand, and I

1765
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,360
will be promoting him as a panelist.

1766
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,360
» Thank you.

1767
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,480
Welcome.

1768
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,680
Uh

1769
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,440
please, if you're able to turn your

1770
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,760
camera on, that would be appreciated as

1771
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,760
well.

1772
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,960
» Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of

1773
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,200
the members of the committee and staff.

1774
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,000
My name is Andrew Head from Trident

1775
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,520
Smith and Head Planning Consultants.

1776
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,160
I'd like to thank Cameron Miller for

1777
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,520
doing an excellent job. He's explained

1778
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,560
this application quite quite quite

1779
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,200
nicely.

1780
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:59,040
Uh it is, as you can see from the sketch

1781
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,600
plan that's provided to you, uh we're

1782
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,880
mirroring pretty much mirroring the

1783
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,800
existing operation. Uh due to the

1784
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:07,000
compounded issues, we are although we

1785
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,160
are moving farther away from everything,

1786
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,640
the compounded issues has created a

1787
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,560
discrepancy in the minimum distance

1788
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,800
separation. Uh

1789
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,359
now, someone who's very familiar with

1790
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:19,040
the minor variance processes, as as you

1791
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:21,080
all are now, um you can understand that

1792
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,040
this is quite minor in nature. Uh we

1793
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,960
don't have any complaints. We have the

1794
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,799
uh son lives and works at Pine Hill

1795
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,520
Poultry. We have uh a signed affidavit

1796
01:08:27,799 --> 01:08:32,120
from the property owner and the and the

1797
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,359
living and the owner who who resides at

1798
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,920
the at the house.

1799
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:37,759
I could go on about the four tests of

1800
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,080
the minor variances, and we could we

1801
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,997
could go on about this, but you know

1802
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,120
what?

1803
01:08:39,997 --> 01:08:43,000
» [clears throat]

1804
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:45,279
» Uh it's already 8:10, and you know, I'm

1805
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,520
happy to answer any questions, and I'd

1806
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,440
I'd love to see your support on this.

1807
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:52,040
Thank you.

1808
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:55,400
» Thank you. Are there any questions for

1809
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,400
for Mr. Head? No.

1810
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,640
Seems and and thank you. Appreciate your

1811
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,240
time.

1812
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,600
Are there any

1813
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:05,520
um questions from others in attendance,

1814
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,319
Mr. Miller?

1815
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,839
» Uh, I'll have

1816
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:13,520
one brief look. I don't anticipate there

1817
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:16,200
being any based on the names left.

1818
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,200
» Okay.

1819
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,000
So,

1820
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:23,440
uh, I'll move to

1821
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,720
calling it the committee. Are there is

1822
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:26,319
there anyone that would like to move

1823
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,120
this motion?

1824
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:31,000
Yeah.

1825
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:34,680
Moved by Mr. Roth, seconded by

1826
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,920
Ms. Kohler. Um, any questions or comment

1827
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:41,560
conversation? I see none. Can I get uh,

1828
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:44,000
all those in favor to raise their hand?

1829
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,759
And that motion is carried.

1830
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,680
Thank you. Um,

1831
01:09:46,759 --> 01:09:50,400
and we have one more for this evening.

1832
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,759
Mr. Miller, would you please introduce

1833
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,160
that?

1834
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,640
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. The final

1835
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:59,040
application this evening is a consent

1836
01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:01,360
application concerning 2342 Steiners

1837
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,640
Road East. This application is proposing

1838
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,280
to sever approximately 0.4 hectares as a

1839
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,560
new residential lot and retaining equal

1840
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,120
size

1841
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,040
0.4 hectares.

1842
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,120
Uh, so this property is is zoned zone

1843
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,440
one agricultural. It's designated as

1844
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,800
rural areas in the township official

1845
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:19,800
plan. It currently has a single family

1846
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,840
home on it and again it's about 0.8

1847
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:25,360
hectares in size. The applicants seeking

1848
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,080
tonight to divide that property in half.

1849
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:29,240
Prior to this process,

1850
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:32,240
they did receive council approval to

1851
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:34,200
reduce the minimum lot area from 40

1852
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:36,200
hectares and the minimum lot frontage of

1853
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,560
230 meters

1854
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:41,000
to allow for essentially facilitate a

1855
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,760
future severance this evening. Um,

1856
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,680
through that previous process there was

1857
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,800
a lot of technical items that were

1858
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,320
provided such as the main one being a

1859
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,680
hydrogeological assessment to

1860
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:52,480
demonstrate there'd be no impacts on

1861
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,040
ground water in in this severance.

1862
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:57,040
It's worth noting the township official

1863
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,840
plan allows for infilling on lands that

1864
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,600
are designated as rural areas. These

1865
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,160
lands are designated as rural areas and

1866
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,560
therefore council

1867
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,560
made a decision on that basis.

1868
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,960
Um

1869
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,960
Again, um

1870
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,080
this is simply implementing the previous

1871
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,880
decision of council

1872
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:15,720
um at an earlier meeting

1873
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,520
uh previous month and uh there are some

1874
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,280
standard fairly standard conditions that

1875
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,360
are included in the recommendation such

1876
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:24,160
as demolishing the existing house,

1877
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,440
decommissioning the septic system, and

1878
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,240
um some other standard things that we

1879
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:29,840
see on a severance such as noise warning

1880
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:33,160
clauses due to the

1881
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,000
uh proximity of regional road as well as

1882
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,160
um

1883
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,720
um road widening from the regional

1884
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,840
Waterloo. Uh happy to answer any

1885
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:42,000
questions. Uh the applicant's also here

1886
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,320
this evening, but again uh should be

1887
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,760
rather straightforward and I'm happy to

1888
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,760
answer them.

1889
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,680
» All right, then. Uh does the applicant

1890
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,920
want to to speak?

1891
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,200
» I'll get

1892
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,760
They're raising their hand, so we'll

1893
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,760
welcome them into the meeting.

1894
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,040
» Welcome.

1895
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,400
» Yeah, through you, chair. Uh good

1896
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,960
evening. Uh my name's Dylan Schner and

1897
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,240
I'm a planner and urban designer with

1898
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:16,920
GSP Group. Uh I'm here tonight as the

1899
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:18,720
agent for the application uh for 2342

1900
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,920
Snyders Road East. I wanted to thank

1901
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,720
you, Cameron, for the overview of the

1902
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,160
application. Um and I just wanted to

1903
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,800
note that I support the recommendation

1904
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,280
for approval from staff and I'll be

1905
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,720
available to answer any questions if

1906
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,840
needed.

1907
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,120
» Thank you.

1908
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,640
Are there any uh questions from the

1909
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,640
committee?

1910
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,120
Seeing none, thank you for for joining.

1911
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,280
Uh we'll move Are there Is there anyone

1912
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,200
in the audience or present online that

1913
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:45,200
would

1914
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:47,040
look to speak to the application?

1915
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,160
» Does not appear so.

1916
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,240
» Seeing none.

1917
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,640
Uh are there any questions, committee

1918
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,720
member? I know I just asked that,

1919
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,600
actually.

1920
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,760
Um

1921
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:59,520
uh if not, uh could I get a motion from

1922
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,520
the committee on this application?

1923
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,200
Uh moved by Mr. Miller, seconded by Ms.

1924
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,600
Kohler.

1925
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:09,600
Uh any discussion?

1926
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:11,360
Um can I all of those in favor, please

1927
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,840
raise your hand?

1928
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,440
And that motion is carried.

1929
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,760
So, that takes us to the end, if I'm

1930
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,560
correct, uh Mr. Miller.

1931
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:23,720
» Mhm.

1932
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:23,720
» Um do we have items for August now?