[0:05] So, good evening everyone and welcome to
[0:08] the July meeting of the Committee of
[0:10] Adjustments. Before we begin, I will
[0:13] call the meeting to order and I look for
[0:15] a motion to move that the July 8th, 2026
[0:19] Committee of Adjustment meeting be
[0:20] called to order at 7:00 p.m. Can I get a
[0:23] motion to move that?
[0:26] » So moved.
[0:27] » Moved by Ms. Kohler, seconded by Mr.
[0:30] Miller.
[0:31] That's all right, I'll take you as a
[0:32] second.
[0:33] All in favor?
[0:35] » Yes.
[0:36] » That motion is carried. At this time,
[0:41] I'd like to ask Mr. Roth to read our
[0:43] territorial acknowledgement.
[0:47] » We have gathered in Wilmot Township on
[0:49] the traditional territory of the
[0:51] neutral, the Anishinaabe, and the
[0:53] Hodenausonee, and the Mississaugas
[0:55] peoples.
[0:56] We also want to acknowledge the
[0:58] importance of the dish with one spoon
[1:01] covenant, a peace agreement made between
[1:04] indigenous nations before the Europeans
[1:07] arrived. It characterizes our collective
[1:10] responsibility to to each other and
[1:13] Mother Earth. We should take only what
[1:16] we need, leave enough for others, and
[1:19] keep the dish clean.
[1:21] By acknowledging this covenant and the
[1:23] First Nations, the Métis, the Inuit
[1:25] peoples, we are reminded of the
[1:28] important connection to this land where
[1:30] we live, learn, and work together as a
[1:34] community.
[1:37] » Thank you, Mr. Roth.
[1:39] I would like to introduce the committee
[1:41] this evening. With us is Mr. Miller, Ms.
[1:44] Kohler,
[1:46] Mr. Roth.
[1:47] With us as well as Mr. Cameron Miller,
[1:50] our planner for the Township.
[1:52] My name is Tyler Bowman and I'm the
[1:54] chair of uh, this committee.
[1:56] We are an independent body appointed by
[1:59] Welland Township Council. We have the
[2:01] power to make minor changes, uh, to
[2:04] existing zoning regulations and to
[2:06] approve some changes to existing
[2:08] non-conforming uses and to give consent.
[2:12] Each applicant will be notified in
[2:14] writing of the decision,
[2:16] um, within 10 days.
[2:19] With the decision will be instructions
[2:21] of how [clears throat] the how it can be
[2:22] appealed.
[2:24] Any decisions made by this committee can
[2:25] be appealed to the Ontario Land
[2:27] Tribunal, who will then hold a meeting
[2:30] and make a final decision. Only the
[2:32] applicant and certain prescribed public
[2:35] agencies can appeal the committee's
[2:37] decision.
[2:38] If the decision on a minor variance is
[2:40] not appealed, it becomes final and
[2:42] binding after 20 days from the date of
[2:45] this meeting.
[2:46] If the decision on a minor variance is
[2:49] not appealed, it becomes final and
[2:51] binding after 20 days from the date of
[2:54] the decision is mailed.
[2:57] The format for this evening will be as
[2:59] follows. Uh, Mr. Miller will introduce
[3:01] the applications.
[3:03] Uh, the applicant will then be invited
[3:05] to come forward and add any additional
[3:07] information they choose. Following this,
[3:10] anyone in the audience with will have
[3:12] the opportunity to speak for or against
[3:15] this application.
[3:16] The committee members may then question
[3:19] the applicant and the committee will
[3:22] then make a decision. So, as Mr. Miller,
[3:25] uh, previously noted with our virtual
[3:27] conversation when I asked for applicants
[3:29] from, uh, the community that would like
[3:32] to speak or the applicate applicant
[3:34] themselves, please raise your hand in
[3:36] the online there and Mr. Miller will
[3:39] bring you into the conversation, um, uh,
[3:42] for that time. We will keep it to 7
[3:44] minutes maximum for each individual
[3:46] through that time.
[3:48] Uh, at which point we'll ask you to wrap
[3:52] up and and we'll move on to the next
[3:54] individual.
[3:55] Uh
[3:56] to start this meeting, I'd like to ask
[3:58] are there any disclosures of pecuniary
[4:00] interest under the Municipal Conflict of
[4:02] Interest Act?
[4:05] » No.
[4:05] » Seeing none, uh at this time, I'd like
[4:07] to our first quarter of business will be
[4:10] to approve our minutes from our last
[4:12] meeting. Can I get a motion to approve
[4:14] those minutes?
[4:17] Moved by Mr. Rose, seconded by Mr.
[4:20] Kohler.
[4:21] All in favor?
[4:23] And those minutes, that motion is
[4:24] carried.
[4:26] And so, we'll move on to the applicant
[4:28] applications tonight. Uh Mr. Miller,
[4:30] could you please introduce our first
[4:32] application?
[4:33] » Uh yes, thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
[4:35] Um the first application this evening is
[4:37] A10/26
[4:39] and it's concerning 226 Shade Street in
[4:41] New Hamburg and it's a variance to the
[4:43] fence bylaw.
[4:44] Uh so, this application's proposing to
[4:46] increase the maximum allowable fence
[4:48] height from 1.98 m to approximately 2.44
[4:52] m. And so, that's uh again, 6 ft 6 to uh
[4:56] 8 ft.
[4:57] Um so, the fence bylaw establishes a
[4:59] maximum fence height um in in rear and
[5:02] side yards of again, 6 ft 6 or 1.98 m.
[5:05] Um through this process, there is an
[5:07] opportunity to look at a review proposal
[5:09] on a case-by-case basis.
[5:12] Um which the fence bylaw allows for
[5:14] minor variances uh or variances to the
[5:16] fence bylaw.
[5:18] Uh staff have previously supported
[5:20] requests uh with an increase of up to 8
[5:22] ft on interior lot boundaries on the on
[5:25] the condition that
[5:26] uh abutting neighbors uh do not have any
[5:28] concerns. And staff would suggest that
[5:30] probably one of the main tests, uh if
[5:32] not only one of the tests of a of
[5:34] variance to the fence bylaw would be
[5:37] uh what the uh residents who directly
[5:39] share that fence feel about an increase
[5:41] in height. So, ultimately, it's the
[5:43] responsibility of of uh staff to make a
[5:45] recommendation to the committee based on
[5:47] the intent of the bylaw, which that is
[5:49] uh uh what staff believe to be the
[5:51] intent, and ultimately decisions made by
[5:53] the committee.
[5:54] Um [snorts] there was a a sketch
[5:56] attached to the report uh which
[5:58] illustrates the boundaries at which the
[6:00] fence increase height was proposed,
[6:02] which is essentially the entire
[6:03] perimeter
[6:04] um of the of the property.
[6:07] At the time of publishing the report as
[6:09] well as the provided deadline, uh which
[6:11] was July the 2nd in which comments were
[6:13] to be provided, we did not receive any
[6:15] comments.
[6:16] Um so the recommendation this evening is
[6:18] is based on having received zero
[6:21] comments.
[6:22] Um but again, since publishing the
[6:24] report, we've been made aware of some
[6:25] concerns um
[6:27] of of some surrounding neighbors
[6:29] potentially on the potential increase um
[6:32] height in in fence. Um
[6:35] So again, as as noted in the report, um
[6:38] staff's ability to support an increase
[6:40] in height on particular areas of the
[6:42] property would waver if if that adjacent
[6:45] neighbor had issues.
[6:47] Um
[6:48] that is to say that staff would look at
[6:50] potentially a section-by-section
[6:53] increase in height if certain neighbors
[6:55] um are in favor as this property abuts
[6:59] um
[6:59] you know, almost uh five or six
[7:01] properties individually. So again, we
[7:03] would look at it from a staff
[7:04] perspective what individual neighbors
[7:06] feel if they have concerns. Um
[7:09] and um I'm happy to answer any
[7:11] questions, but again, the recommend
[7:12] recommendation provided tonight is to
[7:14] approve of it for the entirety perimeter
[7:16] cuz again, as time of publishing the
[7:18] report, we did not receive um any any
[7:21] concerns written in um in time for
[7:24] publishing.
[7:26] » Thank you, Mr. Miller. Uh I'm going to
[7:28] ask if the applicant would like to speak
[7:30] on behalf of this application, and if
[7:32] so,
[7:34] uh please bring them into the meeting.
[7:36] » So I'll just ask um
[7:38] the applicant, uh if if would like to
[7:41] speak um that you use the raise hand
[7:44] function, Uh
[7:45] um
[7:47] Okay.
[7:49] Um sorry, if you could you just raise
[7:50] your hand one more time cuz it un-raised
[7:52] and there was two people with the same
[7:54] name. Yep.
[7:56] Okay, so I'm just going to bring you in
[7:58] um here as a panelist and um as uh Mr.
[8:02] Bowman has indicated, uh you'll have 7
[8:05] minutes to
[8:06] um discuss and
[8:09] I'll just ask that you unmute your mic
[8:11] and if you could turn your video on if
[8:13] it's available.
[8:15] » Uh
[8:16] can you hear us okay?
[8:17] » We can hear you, but we cannot see you.
[8:19] » Uh I'm trying to figure out how to start
[8:22] video. Sorry, just give us a second.
[8:24] » That's okay.
[8:25] » Can you hear us now?
[8:26] » Yep, now we can see the three of you.
[8:28] Yep.
[8:29] » Okay.
[8:29] » Hi, good evening everyone and thank you
[8:31] for taking um the time to join us today.
[8:35] Um
[8:36] uh my name's Kumari Singh and um I'm a
[8:40] family physician licensed in both Canada
[8:42] and the United States. My husband Aman
[8:44] and um and I are raising three daughters
[8:48] um ranging age from two to six
[8:51] and we are
[8:52] and we are in the process of relocating
[8:54] from the Chicago area to New Hamburg as
[8:58] we embrace a quieter, family-oriented
[9:00] lifestyle and a place where we can see
[9:03] our children growing up um for many
[9:06] years to come.
[9:07] Uh we sincerely appreciate everyone
[9:09] taking the time to join us this evening.
[9:12] Uh being good neighbors is very
[9:13] important to us and we wanted to have an
[9:16] open conversation before our committee
[9:18] hearing.
[9:19] Um Our goal tonight is simply to explain
[9:22] why we're requesting this variance,
[9:24] answer any questions that you may have
[9:26] and hear any feedback or any concerns.
[9:29] Um
[9:30] That's my daughter in the background if
[9:32] you're hearing that, so I apologize. Let
[9:34] me know if it's hard to focus.
[9:37] Um
[9:39] So, we're requesting a minor variance to
[9:41] allow an additional 17 in of fence
[9:44] height beyond the permitted 6 ft 6 in.
[9:47] Our request is driven by the unique
[9:49] characteristics of our property and not
[9:51] really and not by a desire to build an
[9:54] unusually tall fence. Um our home is
[9:57] situated on a significant slope. Um
[9:59] because of the elevation changes, a
[10:01] fence built to the permitted height does
[10:03] not provide the same level of privacy or
[10:06] security that it would on a level lot.
[10:09] Um even with a compliant fence, our
[10:12] backyard, including our pool, gazebo,
[10:14] and family recreation area remains
[10:17] clearly visible to the surrounding
[10:19] properties. Um an additional 17 in would
[10:22] simply compensate for the topography and
[10:25] provide a more consistent level of
[10:27] privacy and a greater sense of security
[10:30] throughout the yard.
[10:32] Privacy and security are equally
[10:34] important to our family. Um our backyard
[10:37] is where we um spend most of our time
[10:40] together. We have the pool, the gazebo,
[10:43] the outdoor living space, and
[10:45] occasionally we do spend time in private
[10:47] religious meditation and prayer. We
[10:49] wanted to create a space where our
[10:50] family can relax, spend time together,
[10:52] enjoy these moments without feeling
[10:54] exposed. Um I am often the only adult in
[10:58] our home while my husband's away for
[11:00] work. Our property is quite large and
[11:03] the backyard and surrounding areas have
[11:05] limited lighting at night. And we ex-
[11:07] we've experienced um theft from our
[11:10] building materials during construction.
[11:13] Um while the slope is the primary reason
[11:15] for this variance, these experiences
[11:18] have reinforced the importance of
[11:19] creating a backyard where our family
[11:21] feels both private and secure. The
[11:24] proposed fence will be professionally
[11:26] constructed, well maintained, and
[11:28] located entirely on our property. It
[11:31] will not affect traffic visibility,
[11:33] public safety, or access to neighboring
[11:36] properties. We have also received letter
[11:38] letters of support from three immediate
[11:41] neighboring property owners who share a
[11:43] fence line with our property. We truly
[11:45] appreciate their support and willingness
[11:48] to take time to understand our request.
[11:51] Um and we understand that not everyone
[11:53] may share the same opinion and we do
[11:55] respect that. Our hope is that everyone
[11:58] will consider the unique topography of
[12:00] our property and the limited impact of
[12:02] this modest 17-in inch variance. We
[12:05] believe that it is a reasonable solution
[12:08] that allows our family to safely and
[12:10] privately enjoy our home while
[12:12] continuing to be respectful to the
[12:14] neighbors.
[12:15] Um thank you again for taking the time
[12:17] to join us this evening. We truly
[12:19] appreciate your willingness to listen.
[12:21] We're happy to answer any questions or
[12:22] discuss any concerns. We hope that this
[12:25] is the beginning of many positive
[12:27] conversations and lasting friendship
[12:29] with our neighbors. We look forward to
[12:31] being a part community for many, many
[12:33] years to come.
[12:37] » Thank you.
[12:37] » Thank you.
[12:38] » Yes, I thank you. I appreciate the
[12:41] conversation. Our The next step here is
[12:44] to invite other
[12:46] members of the community that would like
[12:48] to speak for or against and then we'll
[12:49] come back if we have any questions to
[12:51] yourselves, but I appreciate that.
[12:53] » Unless there's any committee members
[12:55] that have questions at at this time.
[12:58] » It might be more effective in this form.
[13:00] I appreciate that, Mr. Mayor.
[13:03] Other questions from the committee?
[13:05] Yeah, go ahead, Mr. Ruth.
[13:06] » Um yes, uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I do
[13:10] have one question. Um obviously um
[13:13] uh having visited the site, I would
[13:17] assume uh a question to the uh to the
[13:20] owners
[13:21] that about 90% of the fence is already
[13:24] constructed. Am I correct in that?
[13:27] » Uh
[13:28] it is uh 6.6 and 90% 6.6 I can say. It's
[13:33] not 90% I would say 80% 6.6 is done.
[13:37] » Yeah, about that. Yeah, you'll have to
[13:39] excuse my math. I'm just guessing at it.
[13:41] » [laughter]
[13:42] » But but but but the great majority the
[13:44] biggest majority of the fence is already
[13:46] constructed. Am I correct in
[13:48] » It's not It's not
[13:50] It's 2 2 6.6 6.6.
[13:53] » Yeah, so it's under the It's basically
[13:56] within the compliance limit.
[13:59] » Could you repeat that, please?
[14:00] » So So I'm saying like the fence is
[14:02] complete about 80% but the height
[14:05] 6 in. We are just waiting for the
[14:08] committee's decision before we go
[14:10] further.
[14:11] » Yes, I'm aware of that. Okay, thank you.
[14:14] » Mhm.
[14:16] » Are there any other questions for the
[14:18] applicant?
[14:20] Not at this time. Okay, thank you.
[14:23] Are there others Mr. Miller that would
[14:25] like to speak for or against the
[14:26] application?
[14:27] » [clears throat]
[14:27] » So I would I would ask at this time
[14:30] people use the raise hand function. So
[14:34] Mr. Funk has raised their hand. So I
[14:38] will go in order
[14:39] of hands that have been raised and I
[14:41] will just make note of people that have
[14:42] spoken.
[14:44] So that we aren't promoting
[14:47] temporarily I'm going to um
[14:50] change the
[14:52] um applicant as a simply an attendee.
[14:56] Um just one second, please.
[14:59] » While Mr. Miller is doing that, if
[15:01] you're speaking
[15:03] to the application, please introduce
[15:05] yourself, your name, and [clears throat]
[15:07] your address. On this one is important.
[15:25] » Okay.
[15:26] Um we can see you
[15:28] Mr. Funk and Mrs. Funk presumably um
[15:32] in the meeting here. Um so again I'm
[15:34] sorry I'll let Tyler take over there.
[15:36] » No, that's all right. Welcome.
[15:39] I'm going to give you 7 minutes to
[15:41] speak. If you need that full time,
[15:43] please take it. If not, we'll we'll go
[15:45] forward. But you can just introduce
[15:47] yourself, your full name, and the
[15:48] address for the record. That'd be great.
[15:50] And then please go ahead.
[15:53] » Thanks. Can everybody hear me?
[15:55] Okay, thank you.
[15:57] Yeah, so so my name is Steve Funk. My
[15:59] wife Tammy and I we live at 216 Shade
[16:02] Street. So we are
[16:04] immediately abutting the
[16:07] neighbors to the to the west of us to
[16:09] 226.
[16:11] And we share a common boundary of about
[16:14] 525
[16:16] feet approximately.
[16:19] Um and so
[16:20] and
[16:22] first of all
[16:23] Kamari and Aman this is the first time
[16:25] I'm seeing you. So
[16:27] welcome to the neighborhood.
[16:28] And
[16:30] unfortunately we're seeing under these
[16:31] circumstances but
[16:33] but I I just want to make it clear that
[16:35] we do not support this.
[16:39] And we object to an increase in the
[16:42] bylaw.
[16:43] We respect the bylaw. We respect the
[16:45] right of anybody to build a fence
[16:47] as long as you keep it on your side of
[16:49] the line. Follow the rules. You know,
[16:52] build a nice fence.
[16:54] There's nothing we can do about that.
[16:56] Historically
[16:58] this neighborhood has not had fences of
[17:00] this nature. There's a few fences in the
[17:02] neighborhood but
[17:03] none of them are this height or scale.
[17:06] I don't want to argue too much back and
[17:09] forth but but there's a an awful lot of
[17:12] the fence that's already constructed
[17:13] that is above the 6 and 1/2 feet.
[17:17] Some some sections even go close to 9
[17:20] ft. Uh,
[17:21] that's that that's according to my
[17:23] measurements uh
[17:24] uh how I reach and my tape measure
[17:27] reaches.
[17:28] So, that that's neither here nor there
[17:30] that but to Mr. Roth's question, you
[17:33] know, that is a reality of what has
[17:35] happened here.
[17:36] So,
[17:37] uh we
[17:39] in in short, I I don't think we have to
[17:41] justify make arguments as to why we do
[17:44] not want a large fence, a high fence.
[17:47] Uh, the bylaws there for a reason.
[17:51] Uh,
[17:52] I was not around when the bylaw
[17:53] [clears throat] was created. I don't
[17:54] know if anybody in this meeting was. Uh,
[17:57] but it's it I would expect it would be
[17:59] to preserve general
[18:02] neighborhood appearances,
[18:04] uh aesthetics, uh you know, just general
[18:07] community sightlines. Uh,
[18:10] a fence of this nature especially
[18:12] uh
[18:14] in the location that it is it it
[18:16] basically uh it divides a lot of the
[18:20] neighborhood from each other.
[18:22] And
[18:23] and so I I don't uh I don't support we
[18:26] don't support the higher fence.
[18:28] Uh, in in the same way that uh
[18:31] you know, Raj Kumari and money you're
[18:33] you're entitled to do the application
[18:35] for
[18:36] a an increased height.
[18:38] We are exercising our right to indicate
[18:41] we do not want it.
[18:43] That that's that's my submission.
[18:46] » Thank you, Mr. Funk.
[18:48] Um are there any questions for for him
[18:51] from the committee
[18:53] prior to
[18:54] Mr. Roth?
[18:55] » Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, to Mr.
[18:58] Funk and and visiting that neighborhood
[19:00] and and knowing the neighborhood uh
[19:03] fairly well, uh you did make the comment
[19:06] that um
[19:08] in my observation the neighborhood is
[19:10] generally free of of fencing uh you know
[19:15] for a very large area. Am I correct in
[19:18] that assumption?
[19:19] » You are. The there is the neighbors
[19:23] 210, I think 210 Shade Street
[19:27] our house in the and the applicant's
[19:30] house is fairly set back from the road
[19:32] and there are houses close to Shade
[19:35] Street and so right in front of my house
[19:37] there there are two neighborhood uh
[19:40] the two neighbors that have fences but
[19:42] they they are six and six feet six and a
[19:44] half feet high.
[19:45] Um and so they do there are a few fences
[19:48] in the area.
[19:49] » Okay. Thank you.
[19:52] » Okay.
[19:54] Mr. Miller, are there other
[19:56] individuals that would like to speak?
[19:58] Thank you, Mr. Funk for your time.
[20:01] » Thank you.
[20:02] » So, I will proceed with
[20:04] uh uh
[20:06] change Mr. Funk to an attendee again and
[20:09] we will move on to the next person.
[20:12] Uh which which is in line um just in way
[20:16] of my screen so I apologize if you feel
[20:18] like you put your hand up sooner than
[20:19] someone else but we'll go the next
[20:21] person will be Mr. Thrower.
[20:23] Um so I will promote you to a panelist
[20:26] and same instructions would apply.
[20:28] » Yeah. Thank you. Please just full name
[20:31] and your address and once you're in
[20:36] we'll give you seven minutes.
[20:44] You are unmuted. If you're able to turn
[20:47] your camera on that would be appreciated
[20:49] as well.
[20:50] Welcome.
[20:52] » All right. There we go.
[20:54] Okay. Should be good now.
[20:56] » Yep. We can see you.
[20:58] » My name is Dugan Thrower.
[21:00] Married with Christina Thrower as well.
[21:01] We've lived here for 18 years.
[21:03] Brocksway.
[21:05] Um we live at 234 Shade Shade Street
[21:08] which is east of uh the property here at
[21:10] 226.
[21:12] Um, I'm here to oppose the request
[21:15] um, for the variance increase.
[21:18] Um,
[21:19] I have a 100-ft fence that they're
[21:21] constructing against my driveway.
[21:23] Raising the fence career uh
[21:26] creates severe practical issues for my
[21:28] residence. Winter snow drift,
[21:31] the wall like the way the snow comes in,
[21:33] it blows. I've nowhere to get rid of it
[21:35] when it's an 8-ft fence.
[21:38] Um,
[21:39] on hindsight, it adds child safety to my
[21:42] matter. So, I got to push all the snow
[21:43] to the edge.
[21:44] K- creates drifts
[21:46] and higher already. And with our street
[21:48] being speed deal or uh
[21:52] with traffic and being the speed that it
[21:54] is and no sidewalks,
[21:57] I'm concerned with the child safety with
[21:58] the kids doing walking, biking, bus
[22:00] stops, all that fun stuff.
[22:04] Um,
[22:05] so drivers usually can't see the kids
[22:06] when it comes to the high drifts. I know
[22:08] like certain parts in town you can see
[22:10] cuz they have sidewalks.
[22:12] We're a different entity out here on
[22:13] Shade Street.
[22:15] Um,
[22:16] I lived here, I moved here because I
[22:18] felt like it was a country feel.
[22:20] A massive 8-ft fence completely disrupts
[22:23] our open rural landscape in the
[22:25] neighborhood, trading our welcome
[22:26] country field to an aggressive closed-in
[22:28] barrier.
[22:29] If privacy was a main concern here,
[22:32] it is already being looked after. The
[22:33] rear and side of my property has large
[22:36] trees that go beyond the height of
[22:37] that's requested.
[22:40] Which already provide a beautiful
[22:41] privacy without compromising safety in
[22:43] turn. I ask that you protect the
[22:45] community character and the safety of
[22:46] our children
[22:49] by uh denying this variance. Thank you.
[22:55] » Thank you.
[22:56] Um, are there any questions for this
[22:59] » [clears throat]
[22:59] » From the committee?
[23:02] See Say none. Um thank you for joining
[23:05] us. Uh we will uh move to the next
[23:09] individual that would like to speak. Um
[23:11] » [clears throat]
[23:12] » But appreciate your time.
[23:16] » Okay, and the uh next uh person to be
[23:19] promoted as a panelist is uh
[23:22] Jasmine Clark.
[23:27] » Just a quick reminder to introduce
[23:29] yourself, your name, and your address.
[23:33] Uh and we'll have 7 minutes starting
[23:35] once you're in.
[23:36] Um you're currently uh on mute, and
[23:40] [clears throat] if you can turn your
[23:40] camera on, that'd be appreciated.
[23:51] Are you able to take yourself off mute?
[23:58] » So, uh in the bottom left-hand corner,
[24:00] there'll be a microphone symbol and a
[24:03] video camera symbol. You
[24:05] You've unmuted yourself now.
[24:07] Um
[24:08] » Yeah.
[24:09] » Okay, we can hear you, but we cannot see
[24:11] you. So, if you're able to turn your
[24:12] video on, that'd be appreciated.
[24:14] » Okay, so now how do I turn on the video?
[24:17] Start video.
[24:18] » Yep, there'll be a video camera symbol
[24:20] on the bottom left. Um there you are.
[24:23] Okay, great.
[24:25] » Um I'm just I'm just getting in cuz I've
[24:27] met Raj today and I met um her
[24:29] son-in-law. And uh I have I actually
[24:32] walked straight up to the house.
[24:35] And um
[24:37] I can see where they're going from.
[24:38] Their backyard, still even with that
[24:40] fence right now, is not overly private.
[24:43] Um I'm not sure if it's Mr. Funk that's
[24:45] on the side of them, but yeah, he can
[24:47] definitely see right into their
[24:48] backyard. So,
[24:50] um I'm not saying that the whole fence
[24:52] has to go 8 ft, but um like definitely
[24:55] like they spoke like maybe certain
[24:56] areas.
[24:59] They could bring it up to 8 ft.
[25:06] » And sorry, just for the record, where
[25:07] are you located?
[25:09] » Thank you.
[25:09] » I'm at 1099 Pearl Street, just around
[25:12] the corner, actually.
[25:14] » Thank you.
[25:17] » Sorry.
[25:18] » [clears throat]
[25:19] » That's okay.
[25:19] » No, I appreciate it.
[25:21] » Um yeah, they seem like very delightful
[25:23] people. I can understand they have three
[25:25] small girls. I can understand why they
[25:26] want the privacy. I also understand
[25:29] where they're coming from whenever they
[25:30] say that there's
[25:32] there are many yards that back right
[25:34] onto their yard, so they're giving them
[25:35] privacy also from them
[25:38] from doing what they say that they like
[25:40] to do also in their spare time.
[25:42] So, yeah, I'm not in disagreement with
[25:45] it. I feel they should be allowed to do
[25:47] it or at least like they mentioned
[25:50] certain areas.
[25:54] » Thank you. Are there any questions for
[25:57] Mrs. Clark?
[26:01] Seeing none, thank you again for your
[26:02] time and and the support. We'll move on
[26:05] to
[26:07] any Is it I guess is there others that
[26:08] would like to speak Mr. Miller?
[26:11] » Uh yes, the
[26:14] next person would be
[26:16] It's just listed as Fred here.
[26:18] So, I'll just be promoting you in a
[26:20] brief second.
[26:28] Okay, Fred has declined to be promoted
[26:32] as a panelist. I will just do it one
[26:34] more time in case it was an accident
[26:36] because you've have your hand raised. If
[26:38] you do not wish to be added, that's it's
[26:39] no problem. You can just decline it once
[26:41] more.
[26:46] And they've are now joining.
[26:53] » Welcome, Fred. Again, uh you are on
[26:55] mute. Uh please introduce yourself with
[26:58] your full name and your the address you
[27:00] reside at.
[27:01] Uh and once you're going there, we will
[27:04] get the time started. If you can turn
[27:07] your camera on, please please do. That
[27:09] would be appreciated.
[27:13] » I don't know what this is.
[27:15] Do we press the left button?
[27:17] » Yeah, there should be a a video camera
[27:19] symbol on the bottom left-hand corner.
[27:22] » We don't see it.
[27:24] We don't see it.
[27:25] » If not, we Yeah, we can hear you. So.
[27:28] » Okay.
[27:28] » Okay.
[27:29] Uh my name's Fred Gates. Uh we've lived
[27:31] here since 2005.
[27:34] We live at 231 Perth. So, I'm the
[27:37] neighbor in the rear of the fence.
[27:41] Uh I get the long uh uh
[27:44] length of the back of the fence. And we
[27:47] object to the the height of the fence.
[27:50] Uh
[27:52] basically, we agree with Mr. Funkin that
[27:55] we're seeing kind of the same uh as far
[27:58] as the fence line is concerned. We've
[28:01] been here, like I said, uh through no
[28:03] fences at all and then the chain-link
[28:05] fence prior to this
[28:07] uh fence. And we are we were we moved
[28:10] here because of the open area. There is
[28:14] a chain-link fence to the uh north of
[28:17] us, but other than that, it's an open
[28:18] area to the railroad
[28:20] uh area in the back. And then to the
[28:23] front in the the uh east, almost all the
[28:26] way to the river.
[28:28] Uh we appreciate the idea that they need
[28:30] to have privacy. But at the other side
[28:34] of that is if you were up here looking
[28:36] what I'm looking at right now, I see a
[28:38] great big wall of wood. Um and so, I
[28:41] don't see any reason why it needs to be
[28:43] higher than the
[28:45] the maximum allowed by the by the board,
[28:48] I guess I'd say it that
[28:50] Um we also are on the
[28:53] uh the edge of the survey line, and so
[28:56] the concrete that was poured for the
[28:58] fencing is also
[29:01] um in our yard uh and or is higher than
[29:05] our yard itself. So, something needs to
[29:08] be done with the ability for that to be
[29:10] uh taken down, not covered up, because
[29:13] we we all have problems with the
[29:15] drainage here from the railroad crossing
[29:18] down. Uh so um
[29:20] um concerned about that as well, but the
[29:22] fence line uh
[29:24] I would object to that. So, that's what
[29:28] That's that's it.
[29:30] » Thank you.
[29:32] Are there any questions prior to moving
[29:35] to the next individual?
[29:39] Seeing none, thank [clears throat] you
[29:41] uh for your conversation there, uh Mr.
[29:43] Miller. Are there others that are
[29:45] interested in speaking for or against?
[29:46] » Yep.
[29:47] » Yep.
[29:48] » Just um 1 second.
[29:52] Uh next individual is uh listed here as
[29:54] Bart.
[30:02] » I do recognize that uh this is a little
[30:04] bit repetitive, but just a reminder to
[30:07] uh state your name and your address. Uh
[30:10] and once you're in uh
[30:13] if your camera can be turned on, that
[30:14] would be appreciated. And at the moment
[30:18] uh you're muted. There we go.
[30:21] Thank you and welcome.
[30:26] » Um yes, my name is Bart Van Handel. I
[30:29] live
[30:31] at uh 241 Shade Street.
[30:34] So, we are across the street on Shade
[30:38] Street from 226 Shade. And I think
[30:42] probably one house
[30:45] to the west.
[30:47] Uh so not directly across, but but um
[30:51] almost. Um
[30:53] so I guess
[30:58] Yeah.
[30:59] We had moved here in uh 1982. In fact,
[31:03] the Shade Street was even uh still
[31:05] gravel at that point.
[31:07] Um and yeah, we moved here um for
[31:11] it being having a rural um
[31:14] I guess village town feel.
[31:17] Um
[31:19] very few fences um
[31:22] here.
[31:24] Um
[31:26] So I guess the the the first impression
[31:29] that I get when
[31:30] when I look at the
[31:33] the stone wall on or the concrete wall
[31:35] on Shade Street and and the steel gates
[31:38] is and then the the and the
[31:41] well, even the 6-ft 6 fence
[31:44] all around I guess the long driveway
[31:46] back to the I think the property's in
[31:48] L-shape. Anyway, it it looks like like a
[31:51] gated community and which is
[31:54] far from what um
[31:57] what uh New Hamburg has been about.
[32:01] Um
[32:03] So
[32:05] yeah, it's it just changes the
[32:08] character of the neighborhood in
[32:11] general.
[32:13] Um I do sympathize with Dugan. Um
[32:18] especially because he has I think he has
[32:20] 60-ft frontage, but
[32:23] um
[32:25] Yes, I
[32:27] having been here this many years um
[32:30] the
[32:31] the prevailing winds are from the west
[32:33] and uh that fence will
[32:36] lock in snow for him and so has quite a
[32:38] bit of snow to move
[32:40] move around and and and so on. Anyway,
[32:44] and then if you move it from 6 ft 6 to 8
[32:46] ft
[32:48] yeah, it just
[32:50] to me if if I were in his shoes, it
[32:52] would feel really boxed in.
[32:55] So
[32:56] um
[32:58] Yes. Now, having said that
[33:01] absolutely we welcome new people to the
[33:03] neighborhood and um we're [laughter]
[33:06] we're very happy to have have new
[33:08] neighbors and whatnot. Any of the
[33:11] neighbors that were in the house we all
[33:12] that particular house we've always had
[33:14] very friendly relations with and we hope
[33:16] that will be the situation.
[33:19] Um I can
[33:21] uh appreciate that um
[33:25] you know, they're in Chicago and
[33:27] um but in the Chicago area perhaps
[33:31] fencing and
[33:33] gating is maybe more common there, but
[33:36] this is a a very friendly and very safe
[33:39] community.
[33:40] Um people look out look out for each
[33:43] other, so
[33:44] um
[33:46] Anyway, I would I would like to welcome
[33:48] the the neighbors um
[33:50] the new neighbors to 226 Shade Street,
[33:52] but
[33:54] I guess I've just expressed how this I
[33:57] guess impacts us um and the impression
[33:59] it leaves. So, that's that's it.
[34:03] » Thank you.
[34:04] Uh any questions
[34:07] from the committee? [clears throat]
[34:10] Did I unmute myself? Any questions from
[34:12] the committee? No.
[34:14] Okay. Thank you again for your time.
[34:16] Uh we will move to the next individual
[34:19] that's interested in
[34:21] speaking.
[34:26] » Uh as of right now there is isn't anyone
[34:29] with their
[34:30] hands raised. I would um
[34:32] Mr. Mackie has just raised his hand, so
[34:34] I will
[34:36] um
[34:36] promote and then the applicant has also
[34:39] raised, but after all the people in the
[34:41] audience, virtual audience have spoken,
[34:43] we'll give the applicant
[34:45] another opportunity.
[34:46] Yeah.
[34:47] Okay, Mr. Mackie's been promoted. Just
[34:50] 1 second.
[34:58] » Just again, if you can
[35:00] turn your camera on and
[35:03] unmute, you got it. 7 minutes. Thank
[35:05] you.
[35:07] » I
[35:08] I just figured out how to do that.
[35:10] Literally the second.
[35:13] Um
[35:15] Right off the bat, I would I'd be more
[35:17] than happy to welcome
[35:19] our new neighbors. They're fantastic.
[35:21] I've met all of them.
[35:22] Um
[35:24] I I think I would start my comments with
[35:27] the regret that all of the fencing and
[35:30] the concrete gates and things at the at
[35:32] the front of the
[35:34] of the property
[35:37] got installed before there was any
[35:39] discussion whatsoever, be it with the
[35:41] township. I don't know if there was a
[35:43] need for a building permit for something
[35:45] like that or not or or if it could have
[35:47] if
[35:48] conversations with the township and the
[35:50] and the neighborhood
[35:52] could have would have taken place.
[35:55] Um
[35:56] just to have this discussion that we're
[35:58] having now
[36:00] prior to
[36:02] the massively costly installation of of
[36:06] what is now physically there and I don't
[36:09] anticipate it's going to be easy to to
[36:11] change that.
[36:13] Had it if I had my
[36:15] » If I may, can you just tell us your
[36:18] address just to get some context?
[36:20] » I'm sorry. Paul Mackie, 182
[36:23] Shade Street.
[36:23] » Okay, thank you.
[36:25] Continue.
[36:26] » I got all excited about fact that I had
[36:27] video and audio.
[36:31] Um, so yeah, I'm just down the street.
[36:33] It the this to be honest it
[36:36] where I am relative to this
[36:38] uh,
[36:39] it doesn't impact me very much. But I do
[36:41] recognize that that there's a bit of a
[36:43] dilemma with with the whole situation.
[36:47] And
[36:49] as I say
[36:50] if if I'm I'm looking at the picture
[36:52] here of the of the property
[36:55] if I were to have had conversations
[36:58] with within the township situation like
[37:01] we're doing right now
[37:03] I would have I would have made a
[37:05] recommendation to
[37:08] essentially go ahead with a
[37:10] personally a 6-ft fence, but with the
[37:12] gate back at the the the neighbor's
[37:15] property line which would put it I don't
[37:17] know 80 ft back
[37:19] from the from the road. Right now we're
[37:21] about 20 whatever the the minimum is I
[37:23] guess 20 ft from the road.
[37:26] That seems to be to me that's the
[37:29] biggest dilemma. Is the imposition
[37:32] of that section of fence on that
[37:35] neighbor.
[37:36] Uh, all of the rest of them there is
[37:38] distance between. It's
[37:39] it is a visibility issue.
[37:42] Um, a visual appeal or not appeal to
[37:45] people's
[37:47] opinion about what they want to look at.
[37:49] But
[37:51] was there any discussion with the
[37:52] township about where
[37:54] they chose to place that concrete the
[37:57] gates?
[37:58] I guess is my question to to you to
[38:00] Tyler and
[38:01] » So if I I may um
[38:04] the the construction of the fence is not
[38:08] something that we can we know Mr. Miller
[38:11] you can add to it on its
[38:13] appropriateness. Um, what we are
[38:15] considering is the change in height the
[38:17] allowance of a 6 sorry 1.98 m fence to a
[38:21] 2.44.
[38:23] The fact that the fence that is there
[38:26] may still exist even without the
[38:29] variance.
[38:30] So that would be something that Mr.
[38:33] Miller if you want to comment on you can
[38:35] but you don't need to.
[38:36] » Um
[38:37] Yeah, thank you Mr. Chair. The only
[38:39] thing I would add is
[38:42] the property owner
[38:44] did confirm
[38:45] where a 6 foot high gate could be
[38:49] constructed.
[38:50] And that is 7.6 meters about 25 feet
[38:53] back from the front property line.
[38:56] Um because it can't exceed
[38:59] um basically
[39:01] .76 meters which is about 2 and 1/2 feet
[39:03] in a front yard. So beyond that distance
[39:06] it can exceed
[39:08] and and be limited at 6.6. What was
[39:10] communicated um there was an opportunity
[39:13] to seek an increase in height through
[39:15] this through this process. Um
[39:19] there is public notification that's
[39:20] given obviously through this process
[39:22] which is how majority of people have
[39:24] come to find out about what is going on.
[39:27] Um however it's it's generally strongly
[39:29] recommended that conversations happen
[39:31] beforehand
[39:32] before filing application
[39:34] and that goes with anything.
[39:37] » Thank you.
[39:37] » Anyway, [clears throat] that that would
[39:38] that would be my that would those would
[39:40] be my my comments and my thoughts. I
[39:44] I regret that those conversations didn't
[39:46] occur
[39:47] because it might have saved a bit of
[39:49] this
[39:50] this grief that's taking place.
[39:53] Um
[39:54] either way given the choice of accepting
[39:57] or or not approving or agreeing with the
[40:00] increase to the the height
[40:02] my thought would be I I would prefer it
[40:05] stays lower. That would if I had to vote
[40:07] on it I would vote to the stay lower.
[40:09] And as I say I've met the neighbors
[40:12] they're they're fantastic. I I don't
[40:13] want any of this to impact the
[40:15] neighborhood opinion of each other.
[40:18] Um
[40:20] let's let's sort this out somehow and uh
[40:23] get a consensus and keep things keep
[40:26] things happy.
[40:28] » Thank you, Mr. Mackey. Are there any
[40:30] questions for
[40:32] from the committee? No.
[40:34] Okay, I appreciate your time. Uh Mr.
[40:36] Miller, are there other individuals from
[40:39] the community that would like to comment
[40:40] or are we going back to the applicant?
[40:44] » Um as of right now, there's no one has
[40:45] their hand raised. I'd give one last
[40:47] opportunity as I know that um
[40:50] and I'm not going to I'm not going to
[40:51] name addresses or anything, but there
[40:53] there's a few properties one property
[40:56] that does abut a section of this fence
[40:58] and uh they are present at the meeting
[41:00] this evening.
[41:01] Um
[41:02] if they do wish to comment either one
[41:04] way or the other, they've they've gone
[41:05] ahead and raised their hand. I
[41:06] appreciate that, so I will add them to
[41:08] the meeting just so
[41:09] um we have feedback from almost all
[41:12] surrounding properties. There is um I
[41:15] did not hear back from 215 Perth Street.
[41:18] But um
[41:19] this I'm about to promote um
[41:21] Carrie just 1 second.
[41:23] » So again, please just intro- introduce
[41:25] yourself, your name, and your the
[41:27] address, uh and I will have 7 minutes
[41:30] for you to speak.
[41:33] Welcome.
[41:35] » Hi, everybody. I'm Carrie Sounthones. I
[41:37] live at 223 Perth Street. So, just
[41:40] around the corner, we are in the
[41:41] backyard of Raj and our new neighbors.
[41:44] So, welcome. We're excited to meet you.
[41:46] We have not met everybody yet, but very
[41:48] excited to meet you. Uh
[41:51] I just want to say we're happy to have
[41:52] new neighbors and I respect the bylaw. I
[41:56] respect all our neighbors' opinions and
[42:00] everybody's feelings towards it. My
[42:02] husband and I
[42:04] we're okay with the 8-ft fence. It has
[42:06] worked out lovely in our backyard. Um
[42:10] so, we don't have any concerns with the
[42:14] increased
[42:15] height of the fence, but at the same
[42:17] point we also respect our neighbors
[42:19] concerns that are being raised for the
[42:21] impact on their properties.
[42:24] So, I guess that's all I have to say
[42:26] about that.
[42:28] So, again, welcome. Looking forward to
[42:30] meeting everybody.
[42:34] » Thank you.
[42:35] Are there any questions
[42:38] on the line?
[42:39] Seeing none, um
[42:42] are there others than Mr. Miller in the
[42:45] audience?
[42:45] » Um as of right now, we have the
[42:47] applicant
[42:48] uh with their hand raised and I will
[42:50] give I believe there are a few other
[42:54] individuals in the virtual audience that
[42:56] haven't spoken. If you have not spoken
[42:58] and wish to speak,
[43:00] uh provide you with uh I'll just give
[43:02] about 10 seconds if you'd like to raise
[43:04] your hand. Uh failing that, we'll give
[43:06] the applicant the opportunity to address
[43:08] some of the comments that have been made
[43:10] and then um um
[43:13] I'd like to add something at the end of
[43:14] all that, Mr. Chair. Um so, again, we'll
[43:16] give about 10 seconds um and see if
[43:20] anyone else. And failing that, I will um
[43:22] re-add the applicant into uh the
[43:25] meeting.
[43:33] » Okay, so I'm not seeing anybody, so I
[43:35] will go ahead and re-add the uh property
[43:37] owners.
[43:45] » Welcome back. Uh if you have uh a few
[43:48] comments, please feel free to add to
[43:51] your previous uh
[43:54] uh previous words and and then we'll
[43:56] move on from there.
[43:58] Please go ahead.
[44:00] » Yep. Can you Can you hear us? Okay.
[44:03] Uh yeah, first of all, uh I would just
[44:05] like to thank you um
[44:07] our neighbors.
[44:08] We respect their honest opinion. I would
[44:11] like to
[44:12] uh
[44:13] uh
[44:14] do consider some of the points that were
[44:17] mentioned and
[44:18] um
[44:20] and just give us our point of view where
[44:22] we are coming from. Uh so there were a
[44:25] few things that was mentioned
[44:27] that the fence looks higher than
[44:29] expected and in many places it's already
[44:33] uh constructed 8 ft. Uh I think this is
[44:36] something we've already mentioned to the
[44:37] city
[44:39] that we were not home. The workers made
[44:41] the fence. We don't want to
[44:43] make them do extra work in case we do
[44:45] get a permit from the city. So we told
[44:47] them, "Okay, just hold on. Don't do any
[44:49] more work
[44:50] because we don't have the permit yet."
[44:52] Um so yeah, we apologize for the
[44:56] inconvenience that caused, but that was
[44:58] not our intention.
[44:59] Um
[45:00] Uh we met Paul yesterday. He's He's the
[45:04] girls love him. It was great meeting him
[45:07] and I appreciate his comments.
[45:10] Um
[45:11] I we also in hindsight we wish
[45:14] we were
[45:15] um
[45:16] we had
[45:17] further discussions with our
[45:19] neighborhood before we went on and
[45:22] did this project.
[45:24] The challenge being we don't live here
[45:26] permanently yet.
[45:28] We're still in the process of moving.
[45:30] Kids are in school. It's very hard to
[45:32] get out of home and then we come here.
[45:35] Um
[45:36] it's a lot of work. So it's I I wish we
[45:39] had time to meet everyone and discuss
[45:42] what we are thinking. Um
[45:44] But that is how I would have done it in
[45:47] hindsight too.
[45:48] Um
[45:49] » We We wish we could have and we
[45:51] definitely wanted to have
[45:53] » Yeah. And and one of our neighbors also
[45:56] mentioned that we our concrete is maybe
[45:59] accidentally poured on their side. I
[46:01] just want to rest assure everyone the
[46:02] work is not done yet. We are just
[46:04] waiting for the permit before we go any
[46:06] further. Yeah, so we are going to clean
[46:08] everything up. We're going to put
[46:09] topsoil on. If the grass is dead, we'll
[46:11] make sure it's fixed. The idea is to
[46:13] make sure this fence looks
[46:15] professionally done and not something
[46:17] that is just put there. Um
[46:20] A lot of comments were around the
[46:22] aesthetic.
[46:25] I
[46:26] I think I understand where people are
[46:28] coming from. Uh this neighborhood has
[46:31] long been uh
[46:34] more of like an open community without
[46:35] any fences. So people in general seem
[46:39] little
[46:40] uh
[46:41] uh concerned about fences in general.
[46:43] Any any sort of fences in general, but
[46:46] but our
[46:49] but that doesn't apply to this variance
[46:52] application. Um
[46:53] I understand sometimes fences is not
[46:56] what you prefer,
[46:57] uh but uh but because of our unique uh
[47:01] we we have three young daughters. They
[47:02] run around everywhere. I cannot keep
[47:04] track of them.
[47:05] Um I also I'm out of the country for
[47:09] work. Uh I haven't found a job in Canada
[47:12] yet, so we are just trying to figure
[47:14] everything out. My wife is home alone,
[47:16] and it gives us a lot of peace of mind
[47:18] when we think, "Okay, everything is
[47:19] closed off. Kids are not running away
[47:22] uh and somebody is not in the pool and
[47:23] one is outside the street." So it gives
[47:25] us that confidence.
[47:27] » Their clothes on. Like they're young and
[47:28] no matter what that age, it's just so
[47:30] hard to
[47:31] explain to them that whether it's hot
[47:33] outside or not, you need to keep your
[47:35] clothing on. I don't care
[47:36] [clears throat] that there's a pool in
[47:37] the backyard. Like they're just young
[47:39] and and as a female, it it makes it you
[47:42] feel a little more exposed.
[47:44] » Yeah.
[47:45] » Um and you just want that privacy when
[47:47] you're swimming in your own pool.
[47:48] Otherwise, you'd be in a community area.
[47:51] A community pool.
[47:52] » And
[47:53] and yeah, so I just would like to say
[47:56] that to
[47:57] the the committee that um
[48:01] I hope
[48:02] you know, you understand our point of
[48:04] view, where we are coming from.
[48:06] Um I understand a lot of concerns are
[48:08] about the fence in general, but that
[48:10] doesn't apply to the minor variance
[48:12] itself. [laughter]
[48:13] » Mhm.
[48:14] » Um and um you're welcome to come over,
[48:16] look at our property. It's on a really
[48:18] high slope.
[48:19] » Comes one with us.
[48:20] » Yeah. So,
[48:21] » Three small children.
[48:22] » Yeah, so
[48:23] » Some of them they're naked, you know.
[48:26] » And yeah, that's all. I mean, unless you
[48:28] have anything to say.
[48:30] » This is Raj, you know, like
[48:33] Raj
[48:34] I'm the one who put the application for
[48:36] this minor variance. Hi everyone.
[48:40] I have my concern, you know, like I had,
[48:42] you know, I live in Waterloo 48 years.
[48:45] And you know, my fence I had, you know,
[48:47] swimming pool there, too. My fence was
[48:49] 6.6. One of the night, 2:00 in the
[48:52] morning, I seen
[48:54] bunch of teenager. It was in my swimming
[48:57] pool. My purse got stolen from my, you
[49:00] know, like kitchen table, you know, from
[49:02] my backyard. People jump in.
[49:05] I'm not lying. It was reported to the
[49:07] police. Police actually found they took
[49:09] the money out, threw my purse, you know,
[49:12] some other other person's yard. And here
[49:16] I find someone put the bad messages on
[49:19] our gate. We are sold I. That's what the
[49:23] message we got. So,
[49:25] I
[49:26] I we are isolated. And I feel it's a
[49:29] discrimination here because of our our
[49:31] color. And I was going to see my you
[49:34] know, like front yard. And you know,
[49:36] like I was going to talk to him. And
[49:38] when I was on his front porch, and I
[49:40] said, "Oh, you can see your front
[49:43] neighbor's, you know, everything." He
[49:45] said, "I like seeing it." I don't like
[49:47] that comment. Another thing, you know, I
[49:49] I seen, you know, on his side there was
[49:52] a little bit, you know, like a cement of
[49:54] 2 3 in. I said, I will cut it down. I
[49:57] will put the top soil and I will put the
[49:59] seed on. Steven, you will be happy. He
[50:02] said, I never be happy. That was his
[50:04] comment. So, I How I feel comfortable
[50:07] with the these kind of neighbors who are
[50:10] all the time running to the, you know,
[50:11] like a city hall and so many city hall
[50:14] people coming to me, you know. I'm not
[50:17] feeling comfortable. I'm feeling
[50:19] horrible about it. We are not feeling
[50:21] welcome in this neighborhood because of
[50:24] our color. It's a
[50:26] discrimination here.
[50:27] » It's okay.
[50:29] Yeah, okay. Let's
[50:30] » I I think that
[50:31] I mean, from a safety perspective, it
[50:34] certainly feels like when you're
[50:38] when I mean, like for example, one of
[50:40] the neighbors put a caution sign in
[50:41] front of you.
[50:42] » By on my forehead.
[50:44] » So, I do want to I do want to focus
[50:47] » I
[50:47] » I'm just saying it's from a safety
[50:49] perspective. I
[50:51] appreciate
[50:52] » I think the point is safety is also
[50:55] important. If that's like that's the
[50:57] only point. Yeah, it's okay.
[50:58] » They were never to be watched to me.
[51:00] Anyway, they keep eye on where I'm
[51:02] going. They must be
[51:05] They can see my whole house from there,
[51:06] you know.
[51:07] I can see He can see everything on my
[51:09] side. I don't want him to watch me.
[51:11] » It's okay.
[51:12] » So, I want to be really respectful here,
[51:14] but we have
[51:14] » I was trying to be a good neighbor. I
[51:16] was very nice to them and they're
[51:18] running all the time to
[51:20] » And so, Mr. Miller, we made it to the
[51:23] conclusion that we have
[51:24] » I'm going to mute it. I'm going to mute
[51:25] it. Yeah.
[51:27] I'm going to mute it, too.
[51:28] » Uh-huh.
[51:29] » If there's any questions from the
[51:30] committee,
[51:32] um
[51:32] we'll allow one opportunity here and
[51:35] then um I will just as from staff add
[51:37] something.
[51:38] Um and then we'll we'll proceed.
[51:41] » You might be adding what I want to touch
[51:42] on. So, Mr. Roth, please go ahead.
[51:45] » Um are we allowed to uh, comment on the
[51:48] situation now, Mr. Miller, or do you
[51:50] want to make your your, uh, statements
[51:52] first?
[51:53] » So, if you have questions, Mr. Roth, for
[51:55] the applicant,
[51:55] » Well, it's it's not it's not a question.
[51:58] It's, uh, a comment.
[52:00] » Okay, so if if that's the case, are
[52:02] there questions for the applicant? Mr.
[52:04] [clears throat] Roth, I will come back
[52:05] to you. Sorry, I don't mean
[52:07] Um,
[52:09] seeing none, I think I'll let Mr.
[52:10] Miller, you speak to what you want to
[52:12] staff. My comments are going to be
[52:14] around what the actual
[52:17] rec motion is,
[52:19] um, and and as well as taking into
[52:22] context what was known before, uh, this
[52:26] uh, client
[52:27] before the application and Mr. Miller's,
[52:30] uh, recommendation or staff
[52:32] recommendation was. So, please go ahead,
[52:34] Mr. Miller.
[52:35] » Uh, yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so
[52:37] just to summarize, um, just because
[52:39] again, this is a virtual format, um, I
[52:41] would just like to highlight
[52:43] uh, who we've received feedback from.
[52:45] Um, so,
[52:47] in terms of properties that are directly
[52:49] abutting, it would be 216 Shade Street,
[52:52] uh, which is, uh, immediately to the
[52:54] east of this property. We've received
[52:56] feedback from 231 Perth Street, which,
[52:59] uh, is immediately north and directly
[53:01] abutting. Uh, both of uh, whom were
[53:03] against the fence. Um,
[53:06] 223 Perth Street is to the west of the
[53:08] property, directly abutting, um, and did
[53:11] express support for the fence. 215 Perth
[53:16] Street, we did not receive
[53:18] comments from,
[53:19] uh, nor did they, uh, register this
[53:22] evening.
[53:23] Um, the remaining property would be in
[53:25] the front at 234 Per- uh, Shade Street,
[53:28] excuse me, and, um, they expressed
[53:31] concerns with the increase in fence
[53:33] height. Um, similarly, there were some
[53:36] residents across the street, um, who
[53:38] took, uh, issue with the increase of
[53:41] height of the gate, uh which is facing
[53:44] south towards their properties.
[53:46] Um so again from a from a staff
[53:48] perspective, we have we have highlighted
[53:50] that probably the the test uh from from
[53:53] a staff perspective again in the intent
[53:55] of offense bylaw being from 2009, uh
[53:58] just back to Mr. Funk's earlier
[53:59] comments, um
[54:01] is that
[54:02] ultimately we are discussing an increase
[54:04] of of uh 1 and 1/2 ft here here this
[54:07] evening, and that is the sole focus of
[54:10] what the committee is contemplating, an
[54:12] increase of of 1 and 1/2 ft. Um the
[54:16] other issues that have uh
[54:18] occurred um
[54:20] uh alleged or have occurred or relating
[54:22] to
[54:24] um you know, mass or anything, those
[54:25] those either are property standards
[54:27] issues or potential sections of offense
[54:29] that have been created that'd be a bylaw
[54:30] issue for our bylaw staff to enforce.
[54:33] Um
[54:34] from a staff perspective again, the
[54:35] recommendation provided was this uh in
[54:37] absence of any comments received from
[54:39] the public um at that stage, so it is a
[54:41] recommendation for the entire perimeter.
[54:44] Um
[54:45] the committee can make a decision um
[54:47] to provide an alternative recommendation
[54:50] this evening based on the feedback of
[54:52] the property owners that um
[54:54] either didn't write in or didn't object,
[54:56] which would again be 223 Perth Street
[54:58] and 215 Perth Street. Um there was uh
[55:01] not as much mention of the front gate.
[55:03] Um most sections are 6 ft 6. I did visit
[55:07] it. There are some of the posts that are
[55:09] 8 ft um at the end cap there.
[55:12] Um
[55:13] so
[55:14] ultimately it'd be the committee's uh
[55:16] decision this evening, but from a staff
[55:19] perspective again, I think the report uh
[55:21] despite the recommendation, um
[55:23] the report summarizes again um what
[55:26] staff feel is being the main test of a
[55:28] variance. Ultimately it's the
[55:29] committee's decision on on how they feel
[55:31] that that bylaw should uh be
[55:33] interpreted. Um and that's all pretty
[55:35] pretty all the comments I have to add.
[55:36] » Thank you Mr. Miller. Can I quickly ask
[55:38] just one question? Oh, sorry Mr. Roth,
[55:41] you you please go ahead. You were
[55:44] » Well, if you I I still would want to
[55:46] make a comment. I don't have a question.
[55:49] If you have a question, I think you
[55:51] should go first.
[55:52] » Okay, I'll take take you up on that.
[55:54] Sorry for the back and forth.
[55:56] Mr. Miller,
[55:58] if
[55:59] how so it is the recommendation is for
[56:02] the entire perimeter recognizing that as
[56:05] you noted
[56:07] we didn't hear from some adjacent
[56:10] properties and some were in potentially
[56:13] in favor. So if we're I just as as a
[56:16] note if we said
[56:19] ask for an alternative
[56:22] approach should we be
[56:25] um
[56:26] is that a separate submission by the
[56:28] applicant to say this is what I would
[56:30] like to do or you or the staff would
[56:33] come and
[56:35] provide one?
[56:36] » Um someone can bring forward a motion
[56:38] for an alternative recommendation
[56:40] um
[56:41] based on how they feel to best move
[56:44] forward. If um I guess the first thing
[56:47] would would be ask if there's a mover
[56:48] and a second or for the original motion.
[56:50] » So we'll move this motion forward but
[56:52] following that we'll decide if
[56:53] » If not then someone committee member
[56:56] would need to bring forward a
[56:58] motion
[56:59] and specify in this case either if it's
[57:03] you know zero sections or specific
[57:05] sections. Again, I'd leave that to the
[57:07] committee.
[57:09] » Okay, so please comment Mr. Roth.
[57:12] » Thank you Mr. Chair.
[57:14] Um having visited the site on two
[57:17] different occasions um
[57:20] and in light of the comments that we
[57:23] have heard this evening um I cannot
[57:26] support
[57:27] this particular motion.
[57:30] Uh in my humble opinion, the uh 6-foot-6
[57:34] fence
[57:35] um
[57:37] in looking at the site,
[57:39] uh provides uh I think ample um privacy
[57:45] and and security to to the property
[57:49] um to alleviate com- some of the
[57:51] concerns of of the applicant.
[57:55] When I look at the bylaw or
[57:57] sort of um
[57:59] understand a little bit of the bylaw and
[58:01] how bylaws work,
[58:03] this particular bylaw gives the option
[58:07] that if neighbor abutting neighbors um
[58:11] have concerns and and serious concerns
[58:15] that the 6-foot-6
[58:18] um measurement should apply and should
[58:21] be in effect. So, therefore, I cannot uh
[58:25] support um any increase in sight in any
[58:30] portion of the fence.
[58:32] And that would be my position.
[58:38] » Thank you, Mr. Ruth. Appreciate the the
[58:41] comments.
[58:43] Um with with that, I am going to uh ask
[58:47] for a motion to move uh a mover of the
[58:51] motion on that the Committee of
[58:54] Adjustments
[58:55] approve this submission. So,
[59:00] uh we would move that for further
[59:01] conversation or move it, second it, and
[59:04] then we will have a uh a discussion and
[59:07] move and make our decision at that
[59:10] point. So, if anyone would like to move
[59:12] this motion for further conversation and
[59:14] decision, please
[59:16] raise your hand.
[59:21] If no one is So, uh if there's no and I
[59:24] would encourage, I'm not saying your
[59:26] motion to move it just to be clear means
[59:29] approval of the motion. It means we have
[59:33] the opportunity to make a decision on
[59:35] the motion either for or against.
[59:37] » As the chair has indicated it's getting
[59:39] it on the floor essentially so to speak.
[59:42] Um
[59:43] » So
[59:44] um is there any interest and and
[59:47] [clears throat] I will press a little
[59:48] bit to move this motion forward so we're
[59:51] not deadlocked uh in the conversation
[59:54] moved by Mr. Miller. A second really
[59:57] means we we have two people interested
[59:59] in talking so move seconded by Mr.
[1:00:02] Kohler.
[1:00:03] Thank you both. So now we have the
[1:00:04] opportunity to if we want to add further
[1:00:07] comments to talk about this application
[1:00:10] and then I will call for a vote. And so
[1:00:13] I Mr. Roth I appreciate your comments.
[1:00:15] Um we can consider those as a committee
[1:00:18] as well. Are there any other comments
[1:00:21] that would like to be heard or spoken
[1:00:24] from this committee?
[1:00:26] Uh seeing none I would would like to
[1:00:29] call
[1:00:30] a vote on
[1:00:32] approving this submission.
[1:00:35] All those in favor
[1:00:37] » Would you would you please re-clarify
[1:00:39] what the motion actually
[1:00:41] » So so the recommendation here is that
[1:00:44] the Committee of Adjustments approve
[1:00:46] submission A-10/26
[1:00:49] by Kumari Singh affecting part of lot
[1:00:54] part of lot 11 plan 532
[1:00:58] being part three on 58R-15009
[1:01:05] which is basically describing the lot of
[1:01:07] 226 uh address to increase the maximum
[1:01:11] allowable fence height outside of the
[1:01:14] front yard setback or driveway
[1:01:16] visibility triangle set out in the
[1:01:19] zoning bylaw from 1.98 m
[1:01:22] to approximately 2.44 m. So, this motion
[1:01:28] sets out the ability to do it uh around
[1:01:31] the entire perimeter.
[1:01:33] Um so, if if we feel that some areas are
[1:01:36] okay, some are not, the
[1:01:38] uh the the the motion should not be
[1:01:41] carried if that is your view.
[1:01:43] Um if you're okay with moving forward
[1:01:45] with that approving the increase of
[1:01:48] height from 1.98 to 2.44,
[1:01:53] then that would be a vote in favor. So,
[1:01:55] um is that understood?
[1:01:59] More or less, yeah?
[1:02:01] » Yes, Mr. Chair. I would request a I
[1:02:03] would request a recorded vote.
[1:02:06] » Okay. So, I'm going to
[1:02:08] go through the motions and I will take
[1:02:10] that vote and not that it's not the
[1:02:12] motions uh through the call for a vote.
[1:02:14] So, can I all those in favor, please
[1:02:17] raise your hand?
[1:02:20] See Seeing none, all those opposed to
[1:02:23] this application, please raise your
[1:02:25] hand.
[1:02:26] » And then uh Mr. Roth, I would just like
[1:02:28] you to read the names of those opposed.
[1:02:31] For the purposes of
[1:02:32] » Right. I apologize for not listing that.
[1:02:35] So, those opposed are Christine Kohler,
[1:02:38] Wayne Roth, and Stephen Miller.
[1:02:42] So, that
[1:02:44] uh
[1:02:44] that is the intent of that application.
[1:02:47] What I
[1:02:49] So, Mr. Miller, I'm going to ask for a
[1:02:51] little bit of a question here.
[1:02:53] » Sure.
[1:02:53] » Would now be the time if the committee
[1:02:55] would like to see a different motion to
[1:02:58] request
[1:02:59] » Someone can bring forward a an amended
[1:03:01] motion, yes.
[1:03:02] » So, is there interested in an amended
[1:03:04] motion?
[1:03:06] The outcome of this would be that this
[1:03:08] motion that we just defeated, we could
[1:03:11] suggest an amended motion, which would
[1:03:13] direct staff accordingly,
[1:03:16] or we could let it sit and let uh the
[1:03:18] applicant uh make a separate
[1:03:20] application. Is that fair?
[1:03:23] Uh
[1:03:23] » From a From a staff perspective, I would
[1:03:25] just highlight again that there are two
[1:03:26] abutting property owners that did not
[1:03:28] object. One actually was in favor. Um
[1:03:32] so um you know, despite a lot of the
[1:03:35] comments that were received, from a
[1:03:37] staff perspective
[1:03:38] um
[1:03:40] uh again, these directly abutting
[1:03:41] property owners either did not object
[1:03:43] and and one provided support. So um if
[1:03:47] there is a committee member that wishes
[1:03:49] to move a recommendation
[1:03:52] uh where
[1:03:53] the 8-ft high section would be permitted
[1:03:56] uh along
[1:03:58] uh 223 on the rear property line of 223
[1:04:01] Perth Street and additionally on 215
[1:04:04] Perth Street, limiting the
[1:04:07] remainder of the property
[1:04:09] to 6-ft 6.
[1:04:10] » Yep.
[1:04:11] » Um if there is
[1:04:12] » Any interest from the committee to move
[1:04:14] uh put on the floor another motion or to
[1:04:20] Seeing none,
[1:04:21] » [clears throat]
[1:04:21] » Uh that motion is uh not approved and we
[1:04:24] will move on to the next application,
[1:04:26] Mr. Miller.
[1:04:29] » Okay.
[1:04:30] Um thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Um so
[1:04:33] that motion, again, just for the record
[1:04:35] of everyone in this meeting has been
[1:04:37] defeated. Um
[1:04:38] so
[1:04:40] um
[1:04:41] it's been it's been defeated by uh this
[1:04:43] committee. Okay, moving on to the next
[1:04:47] application this evening. And um thank
[1:04:50] you for everyone for your patience as we
[1:04:51] work through these. Uh the next
[1:04:53] application is A11/26
[1:04:56] uh concerning 2451 Hearn Road. And so
[1:05:00] this proposes to reduce the uh minimum
[1:05:02] distance two requirements from a
[1:05:04] proposed barn to a nearest neighboring
[1:05:06] dwelling from uh 161 m to approximately
[1:05:10] 147 m.
[1:05:12] Uh so property is roughly a 30-ha farm.
[1:05:15] It's developed with a single detached
[1:05:17] dwelling and existing poultry operation
[1:05:19] that contains a a 20,000 sq ft chicken
[1:05:21] barn.
[1:05:22] Uh there was a sketch provided as part
[1:05:24] of the application. It shows that the
[1:05:25] owners are proposing a a second uh
[1:05:28] chicken barn uh
[1:05:30] essentially of of equal size um and in a
[1:05:33] similar location but uh further to the
[1:05:35] east um than the existing uh barn.
[1:05:39] Uh so that MDS separation guideline that
[1:05:41] is is referred to here is a is a
[1:05:43] provincial formula but essentially it
[1:05:45] sets out minimum distances from
[1:05:46] livestock facilities and manure storages
[1:05:49] to uh sensitive land uses. And in the
[1:05:51] case here uh the sensitive land use
[1:05:53] would be uh a nearest neighboring
[1:05:55] dwelling located at 2469 Hearn Road. Uh
[1:05:58] and so that requirement sets out 161 m
[1:06:02] and um it's proposed to be reduced to
[1:06:04] 147 m. Um
[1:06:07] so that's being sought essentially to
[1:06:09] keep the the cluster of buildings as
[1:06:11] close as possible for farming purposes.
[1:06:14] It is worth noting that the nearest
[1:06:16] neighboring dwelling in question is in
[1:06:18] is in ownership common ownership of a
[1:06:20] family of Pine Hill Poultry who's the uh
[1:06:23] proponent of this application. And um
[1:06:26] again there should be no additional
[1:06:27] impacts on any other surrounding uh
[1:06:30] homes as it's not proposing to go
[1:06:32] um closer than otherwise permitted to
[1:06:34] any of these other dwellings. In fact,
[1:06:36] it's actually going further further away
[1:06:37] from a dwelling to the south by pushing
[1:06:39] it further to the north. Um there is a
[1:06:42] bit of a compounding effect with um MDS
[1:06:44] regulations. When the first barn was
[1:06:46] constructed, I referred back to that
[1:06:48] from 2017 and it established 126 m
[1:06:52] setback. So um
[1:06:54] in this case again the setback of uh
[1:06:57] 147 m is greater than that existing barn
[1:07:00] but uh is a reduction to the current
[1:07:02] requirement. Um in circulating the
[1:07:04] application, we didn't receive any
[1:07:06] concerns and we're recommending that it
[1:07:07] be approved.
[1:07:11] » Thank you. Uh is the applicant
[1:07:14] uh it
[1:07:15] present and wanting to speak?
[1:07:17] » Uh yes,
[1:07:18] uh Mr. Head has raised his hand, and I
[1:07:21] will be promoting him as a panelist.
[1:07:23] » Thank you.
[1:07:32] Welcome.
[1:07:33] Uh
[1:07:34] please, if you're able to turn your
[1:07:36] camera on, that would be appreciated as
[1:07:38] well.
[1:07:41] » Good evening, Mr. Chairman, members of
[1:07:43] the members of the committee and staff.
[1:07:44] My name is Andrew Head from Trident
[1:07:46] Smith and Head Planning Consultants.
[1:07:49] I'd like to thank Cameron Miller for
[1:07:50] doing an excellent job. He's explained
[1:07:52] this application quite quite quite
[1:07:54] nicely.
[1:07:55] Uh it is, as you can see from the sketch
[1:07:57] plan that's provided to you, uh we're
[1:07:59] mirroring pretty much mirroring the
[1:08:00] existing operation. Uh due to the
[1:08:02] compounded issues, we are although we
[1:08:04] are moving farther away from everything,
[1:08:07] the compounded issues has created a
[1:08:09] discrepancy in the minimum distance
[1:08:10] separation. Uh
[1:08:12] now, someone who's very familiar with
[1:08:13] the minor variance processes, as as you
[1:08:16] all are now, um you can understand that
[1:08:19] this is quite minor in nature. Uh we
[1:08:21] don't have any complaints. We have the
[1:08:23] uh son lives and works at Pine Hill
[1:08:24] Poultry. We have uh a signed affidavit
[1:08:27] from the property owner and the and the
[1:08:29] living and the owner who who resides at
[1:08:32] the at the house.
[1:08:34] I could go on about the four tests of
[1:08:35] the minor variances, and we could we
[1:08:37] could go on about this, but you know
[1:08:39] what?
[1:08:39] » [clears throat]
[1:08:40] » Uh it's already 8:10, and you know, I'm
[1:08:43] happy to answer any questions, and I'd
[1:08:45] I'd love to see your support on this.
[1:08:46] Thank you.
[1:08:48] » Thank you. Are there any questions for
[1:08:52] for Mr. Head? No.
[1:08:55] Seems and and thank you. Appreciate your
[1:08:57] time.
[1:08:58] Are there any
[1:09:00] um questions from others in attendance,
[1:09:03] Mr. Miller?
[1:09:05] » Uh, I'll have
[1:09:07] one brief look. I don't anticipate there
[1:09:09] being any based on the names left.
[1:09:13] » Okay.
[1:09:17] So,
[1:09:18] uh, I'll move to
[1:09:21] calling it the committee. Are there is
[1:09:23] there anyone that would like to move
[1:09:24] this motion?
[1:09:26] Yeah.
[1:09:27] Moved by Mr. Roth, seconded by
[1:09:31] Ms. Kohler. Um, any questions or comment
[1:09:34] conversation? I see none. Can I get uh,
[1:09:37] all those in favor to raise their hand?
[1:09:41] And that motion is carried.
[1:09:44] Thank you. Um,
[1:09:46] and we have one more for this evening.
[1:09:48] Mr. Miller, would you please introduce
[1:09:50] that?
[1:09:51] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. The final
[1:09:54] application this evening is a consent
[1:09:55] application concerning 2342 Steiners
[1:09:59] Road East. This application is proposing
[1:10:01] to sever approximately 0.4 hectares as a
[1:10:03] new residential lot and retaining equal
[1:10:06] size
[1:10:07] 0.4 hectares.
[1:10:09] Uh, so this property is is zoned zone
[1:10:12] one agricultural. It's designated as
[1:10:14] rural areas in the township official
[1:10:15] plan. It currently has a single family
[1:10:17] home on it and again it's about 0.8
[1:10:19] hectares in size. The applicants seeking
[1:10:22] tonight to divide that property in half.
[1:10:25] Prior to this process,
[1:10:27] they did receive council approval to
[1:10:29] reduce the minimum lot area from 40
[1:10:32] hectares and the minimum lot frontage of
[1:10:34] 230 meters
[1:10:36] to allow for essentially facilitate a
[1:10:38] future severance this evening. Um,
[1:10:41] through that previous process there was
[1:10:42] a lot of technical items that were
[1:10:44] provided such as the main one being a
[1:10:46] hydrogeological assessment to
[1:10:48] demonstrate there'd be no impacts on
[1:10:49] ground water in in this severance.
[1:10:52] It's worth noting the township official
[1:10:54] plan allows for infilling on lands that
[1:10:57] are designated as rural areas. These
[1:10:58] lands are designated as rural areas and
[1:11:00] therefore council
[1:11:02] made a decision on that basis.
[1:11:04] Um
[1:11:05] Again, um
[1:11:06] this is simply implementing the previous
[1:11:08] decision of council
[1:11:11] um at an earlier meeting
[1:11:12] uh previous month and uh there are some
[1:11:15] standard fairly standard conditions that
[1:11:17] are included in the recommendation such
[1:11:19] as demolishing the existing house,
[1:11:21] decommissioning the septic system, and
[1:11:24] um some other standard things that we
[1:11:25] see on a severance such as noise warning
[1:11:28] clauses due to the
[1:11:29] uh proximity of regional road as well as
[1:11:33] um
[1:11:34] um road widening from the regional
[1:11:36] Waterloo. Uh happy to answer any
[1:11:37] questions. Uh the applicant's also here
[1:11:39] this evening, but again uh should be
[1:11:42] rather straightforward and I'm happy to
[1:11:43] answer them.
[1:11:46] » All right, then. Uh does the applicant
[1:11:47] want to to speak?
[1:11:50] » I'll get
[1:11:51] They're raising their hand, so we'll
[1:11:53] welcome them into the meeting.
[1:12:05] » Welcome.
[1:12:07] » Yeah, through you, chair. Uh good
[1:12:09] evening. Uh my name's Dylan Schner and
[1:12:10] I'm a planner and urban designer with
[1:12:11] GSP Group. Uh I'm here tonight as the
[1:12:14] agent for the application uh for 2342
[1:12:16] Snyders Road East. I wanted to thank
[1:12:18] you, Cameron, for the overview of the
[1:12:19] application. Um and I just wanted to
[1:12:21] note that I support the recommendation
[1:12:23] for approval from staff and I'll be
[1:12:24] available to answer any questions if
[1:12:26] needed.
[1:12:27] » Thank you.
[1:12:28] Are there any uh questions from the
[1:12:31] committee?
[1:12:34] Seeing none, thank you for for joining.
[1:12:37] Uh we'll move Are there Is there anyone
[1:12:39] in the audience or present online that
[1:12:41] would
[1:12:42] look to speak to the application?
[1:12:45] » Does not appear so.
[1:12:47] » Seeing none.
[1:12:48] Uh are there any questions, committee
[1:12:50] member? I know I just asked that,
[1:12:51] actually.
[1:12:52] Um
[1:12:53] uh if not, uh could I get a motion from
[1:12:55] the committee on this application?
[1:13:00] Uh moved by Mr. Miller, seconded by Ms.
[1:13:02] Kohler.
[1:13:04] Uh any discussion?
[1:13:06] Um can I all of those in favor, please
[1:13:09] raise your hand?
[1:13:11] And that motion is carried.
[1:13:13] So, that takes us to the end, if I'm
[1:13:15] correct, uh Mr. Miller.
[1:13:17] » Mhm.
[1:13:18] » Um do we have items for August now?