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Good evening everybody and welcome. We're really glad that you're here. This public hearing was designed to do exactly that.

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Hear from the public on your thoughts and ideas about a presentation you are about to receive.

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We've done a couple of different things that we'd like for you to participate in as well.

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We've got some stickers that we're going to ask you to put on your preferred site at the end of the presentation.

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There's also, as you were coming in, there's also a survey that we would appreciate you

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filling out, and we'd like them back by the end of this month.

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But without further ado, I just want to demonstrate to all of you how important your input is

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in this decision-making process.

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The Mayor and all four commissioners are here this evening.

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Mayor Lund, Commissioner Kennedy, Commissioner Horak, Commissioner Payne, and Commissioner

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Toff.

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So they are in listen mode tonight.

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So once we get the information out, we're trying to be as factual as possible.

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We're going to open up the floor to your questions.

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We are being both live-streamed and recorded for future publication because, believe it

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not as great a turnout as this is, we've still had several people who wanted to

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attend, but we're unable. So again, thank you very much for your participation in

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this project, and thank you for taking the time out of your schedules in order

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to be here. Let me introduce Harvard Jolly and Ward. I'll let you introduce your

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team.

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Thank you, Gary. Good evening, everybody. It's great to see a good

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turnout here tonight. I'm Ward Frisalasky with Harvard Jolly

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architecture. With me are two of my colleagues, Phil Trezza, is an architect

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with Harvard Jolly and Amy Weber is an architect with Harvard Jolly.

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We've got a pretty brief PowerPoint presentation.

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It's going to be at 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes tops,

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and then we're going to get right into questions and answers.

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So we wanted to start on the first slide with a little bit of project background.

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And the city buildings were constructed in the 1950s

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when residential development started in Treasure Island.

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The existing police and fire station are based on departments of only a few officers and volunteers at that time.

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The population of Treasure Island has increased by 9,000% since 1950.

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The buildings have been renovated several times, but no work has been done recently or substantially.

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Approximately $680,000 is needed for repairs to bring the buildings up to a minimum acceptable standard.

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but still would not address inefficient layouts, inadequate security, insufficient parking,

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or meet FEMA flood requirements.

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Not all necessary improvements could be done due to the FEMA substantial rule,

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and I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with that 50% rule,

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which is really hamper the ability to renovate to a certain extent.

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A previous study done by Woodruff Corporation Architects in 1998

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rated all of the buildings, other than the community center, fair to poor at that time, 20 years ago.

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So we'll talk a little bit about the programming process and how we worked with the city staff to get to this point.

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We toured all the existing buildings. We analyzed all the available documentation from over the years.

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We did an inventory of the city vehicles and equipment to get a really good feel for what is currently on the ground.

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We prepared an organizational chart of the city staff to understand the hierarchy relationships between departments,

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because a lot of – we designed buildings organized a lot of times to meet the city needs,

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so that helped us understand the city department structure.

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We interviewed department leaders about their individual spaces and needs

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and the future growth potential for each department.

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Next slide.

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Then we looked at the existing building conditions.

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The buildings are currently at capacity in many cases.

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Office is intended for only one person or shared by multiple employees.

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Storage is severely lacking in all departments.

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The layouts are inefficient and not conducive to a collaborative work atmosphere.

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The department organization is confusing and creates security concerns

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there is no real clear separation between the public and the staff areas.

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The staff is doing a good job with what they have.

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It's just that it's difficult to work within the physical limitations that they're dealing with.

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There's a lack of adequate waiting space for the public, meeting rooms, and staff break areas.

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There's poor ventilation with the HVAC systems.

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And then there's frequent maintenance required, whether it's roof leaks or rodent infestation.

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So the next slide shows kind of an overall analysis.

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We looked at City Hall, Public Works, Police and Fire, and Community Center.

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And on the left-hand side is their existing square footages.

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And then the right-hand side was the proposed square footages.

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So again, we try and kind of tabulate these spaces before we get into any graphic solutions.

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So that's where we were at that time, which has since changed a little bit.

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So Phil's going to walk us a little bit through more of the detail.

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Okay, so looking at the next slide, we identified the programmatic elements or building portions or spaces within the project.

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So you can see here we codified it and colorized them.

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The yellow space denotes the city hall component.

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The green is the public workspace.

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space, police in fire naturally blue and red, and we consider those as one space as they

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are now, or they're next to each other, but consider those as one block, then there's

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the community center we colored that purple you can see and then potentially a parking

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garage in gray. So those were our five or six pieces that we looked at and assigned

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some spaces sizes to those but then we in conjunction with that we looked at

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where these might be located within the city in the downtown area that's where

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the next slide comes in and so we looked at a variety of sites the first one is a

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site we're standing on right now the existing City Hall police fire public

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workspace now that's probably one of the larger the sites just under just

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a little over three and a half acres, site A at the top.

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Site B is the community center site, probably the largest of the sites, 3.7 acres, rounding

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up.

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one of the smaller sites.

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All three of those, by the way, are owned by the city, but we wanted to look at sites

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beyond those just to kind of make sure we're exploring all the options. So we

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looked at site D which is the Bank of America site. You can see that kind of in

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the middle of that site plan. And we also looked at the odd-shaped site E that

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you see next to B which is that sliver of land next to the wall greens and

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the lightly shaded area which is a parking lot south of the wall greens

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owned by Bill Moore.

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So those were the options we looked at, the sites.

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And then a little bit of history.

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Earlier this year, we worked to develop options for citing those various components on the different sites.

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Let's go to the next slide.

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Based on that space needs analysis that were developed earlier last year.

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And then by early March of this year, our team had narrowed it down to basically eight options.

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We had actually developed a dozen or so options, but we culled it down to eight because there

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were variations within the options, but got it down to about eight.

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And then we worked up some cost estimates for those.

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And when we got to those cost estimates, we realized they were really cost prohibitive.

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So staff directed us at that point to reexamine the space needs analysis to bring the project

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more into a more reasonable budget.

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And this slide just talks about the various options where we looked at all the different combinations of where the different programmatic pieces could go.

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City Hall, Public Works, Police Fire, if a community center was going to be redeveloped or added on to as well as a parking garage.

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So you can see those various options.

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Speaking of the parking garage, we worked with a consultant named Tim Haas.

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And they went through an exhaustive measure.

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They did on-site surveys.

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They looked at how people were parking, where they were parking around the downtown area,

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and did an analysis.

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And basically the bottom line is it really wouldn't generate a net income

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no matter which site it was going to be on.

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And so in fact the garage would actually operate at a loss of half a million dollars a year.

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So it's expensive to build a parking garage.

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And so for those reasons, we took it off the table, at least for this scope, to get the project going.

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And so we reached these conclusions that you see here, these seven main conclusions.

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The parking garage was cost-prohibitive and so that we took that off the table.

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We realized that it really would be very efficient to co-locate as many of the city departments as possible

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rather than to separate them into separate buildings on disparate sites.

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If we could co-locate as many of those elements as possible, we could realize shared spaces,

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efficient spaces like meeting rooms and things like that where you don't have to have a meeting

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room for every single department if you have a handful of meeting rooms that, you know,

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when public work needs it, they use it or when City Hall needs to have it or police

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or fire, that kind of a thing.

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We also basically looked at the community center as being the newest of all the

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city buildings and some decent shape and so at this point we decided not to

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incorporate any kind of new new space for that although we will try to again

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through the co-locating of spaces look at space that the community

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center could use within the combined component combined center number four

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purchasing land is not cost-effective as I said you have two or three

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properties that are already owned by the city, and so to purchase additional land just, it's not

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Not cost effective. We also wanted to look at, as much as possible, pursuing an option that

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would create, would only require one move. By that, we mean not having to move out of your

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facilities into temporary quarters, which would obviously cost money to prep, to rent out,

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and then move again into the new space once that's ready. So if we can come up with

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an option that only requires you to move once, that would be ideal.

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Number six, options that eliminate the city's available green space are less desirable.

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We recognize the value that you take in your community space or green space.

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And so if we don't eliminate that, that would be ideal.

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And then lastly, reaching a target of about $20 million for the total project budget.

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That's everything all in, hard and soft costs.

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By that I mean hard costs, construction costs, soft costs, surveying, engineering, testing,

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furniture and equipment, all those kinds of costs that you might not see if you're just looking at a construction cost.

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So total project costs of about $20 million.

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So the next thing we did is try to reduce the overall square footage to reach that $20 million target.

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And we did a number of things to seriously cut down on the size of the building.

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The first one is we eliminated meeting tables from the director level offices.

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Those originally had a small meeting table in each office,

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but as Phil said, we can share meeting rooms

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and thought that was one way to save some square footage.

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The next thing we did is provide open office areas with landscape furniture

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instead of enclosed individual offices for all of the staff

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with a few exceptions, departments like HR that need

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acoustical separation and privacy.

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We reduced the conference rooms and collaborative space,

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like Phil mentioned, in favor of having just a few shared spaces

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for all departments.

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And we eliminated the office space that had been provided

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for the commissioners and the city attorney,

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knowing that they're not there all the time

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and they can use the shared meeting rooms

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when they need office space.

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We also originally had had two sets of IT offices that was necessary when we were looking at a separate police and fire station versus City Hall.

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And now that we're looking at all of those being combined, we can eliminate one set of those offices.

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We eliminated a space that was provided for the historical fire truck and a truck washing bay for public works.

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and also reduce public work storage areas because some of those can be kept

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adjacent to the pump station here. Next slide please.

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So with all those changes we

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were able to reduce the overall square footage from the original building

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program of about 75,000 square feet down to 44,000 square feet. That is very

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close to what you have altogether now between these facilities but the new

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building is going to be much more efficient. Next slide please.

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more functional, more collaborative, more flexible, better technology, and very

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importantly it's going to be built above the floodplain and be hardened. Your

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facility here is very susceptible to damage from storms, so it's going to

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be important to have a building that can survive storms. So even though the

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buildings are going to be about the same size, it will be a much better layout and more efficient.

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So we went back to the original eight options that Phil showed you and moved forward with options

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seven and eight because they're the only ones that use only city property, so there's no need to

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purchase any land. They allow for building one building that's more economical, it's more

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efficient for staff to have all those departments co-located and it'll allow

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for more flexibility in the future because if departments grow and others

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shrink if it's all together and the floor plan is you know open and not too

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many structural walls breaking up the space departments can grow and shrink

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and as they need to. So both options right now are about 21 million and

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And as Phil mentioned, that includes construction costs, soft costs like fees and geotechnical

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and surveys and all of those, furniture fixtures and equipment, AV, IT and security systems

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and the demolition of the existing facilities.

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That cost does not include moving costs or hazardous materials abatement because

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we just don't know the extent of what may be required.

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And it doesn't include temporary facilities, which would be required for option seven, but not for option eight.

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So there is some additional costs there.

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So option seven has the building located right here where it is now on the City Hall site.

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And that has both options have the police sally port, the fire vehicle bays,

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and the Public Works Vehicle Maintenance Bays as the first level.

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There's no parking under the building.

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And then the next three levels are all of the city departments.

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So in this case, that's all located here on the city hall site.

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The community center remains as it is on the community park site.

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The pump station remains where it is,

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and potentially any additional public works storage areas

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is in the trash trucks and everything that remain right where they are right now.

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Option 8 locates that building on the community park site and in this case the pump station

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would remain and all of the trash and public work storage would be located in that same

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location but separated and fenced off from a possible waterfront park.

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We know that it's a concern to take away the city's green space.

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So if this option was selected, we would have the opportunity

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to provide some new green space right on the waterfront,

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which could be a great thing.

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So the two options differ a bit.

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The first one did preserve, of course, the community park,

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and all the city facilities are on this site, which is familiar,

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and everyone's used to that, and it does not require space for stormwater retention.

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On the other hand, this site, it allows for two ways in and out for police and fire,

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which what we mean by that is the first site, you only have access to 108th Avenue from the site,

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whereas in this case you have access to Park Place and 104th Avenue and 105th Avenue,

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which just makes it easier for the police and fire to get out in an emergency.

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It also allows for all single moves, as Phil mentioned, so you can

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build the new facility on the community park site, and

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staff can remain in these buildings while it's under construction, and then

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just move once over to community park, whereas in the other case

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you would have to have temporary facilities, which is an extra expense.

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This one does allow the new building

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to be co-located with the community center so although we're not building a new community

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center there will be some space available for recreation in the new building and it'll be

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much more convenient if they're co-located on the same site and it allows for a possible

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waterfront park.

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So in terms of next steps we're doing the public input meeting right now

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and there are surveys available on the city's website along with this presentation and other

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presentations in the past about this project and the staff will present the public input

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on the different alternatives and what comes up in today's meeting at the Commission meeting

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on August 7th and then request final site approval.

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So you should have been provided with a sticker which you can place on the option that you

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prefer and will be available to answer questions also.

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Good. Thank you, Amy. Phil's going to have the microphone here. We'll open it up for questions.

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If you want to raise your hand, Phil, why don't you walk over and maybe we'll take someone right over here.

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Let's go back to slide 7 and 8. Go back a few slides.

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A lot of things might be hard to do with them looking at the lights, but okay.

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Let's start in the front row and then I'll work my way back.

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I'm kind of new to this area, however, on that street that goes by the community center is 104.

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This is where I live.

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There's a lot of traffic that comes down through there and goes around by the public.

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And even crossing the street, you just about get ran over.

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Now, the other question is, no one owns that big old building on the other side where it was a bank.

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Do you know that big old glass building?

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The one across from the parking, it's across from the beach parking thing and across from Publix.

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Yeah, there's nobody not owning it, it's empty.

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It's high and empty, it's glass.

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Yeah, I think, I might be able to address that.

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I believe you're referring to the Allied building,

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and that's not for sale as far as we're concerned.

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We did the city to ask us to look into that in the beginning.

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We don't believe that's available right now.

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But your other question, I think, was concerned about traffic, both cars and pedestrians.

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Okay, so we will, right now this is early on in the study,

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And so we will be looking into traffic trip generation with our civil engineer,

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and we'll be looking at pedestrian pathways.

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We'll have to take all those things into account.

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Those are good comments.

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What happened here in this area?

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Well, it depends on which option the City Commission does.

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One option is to put the facilities here.

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The other option is to put it over at the Community Center Park.

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If it's over at the Community Center Park, then that opens up opportunities.

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One of them is perhaps a Green Park, Waterfront Park.

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We're going to move on to another question. I see this gentleman here.

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Thank you. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to present our views and for this presentation that you're doing.

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I'm curious on a couple, there's a couple of things I want to mention.

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The one is the original proposal for 77,000 square feet at 20 million

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has been reduced to 44,000 square feet at 21 million.

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I don't get the math.

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I could answer it real quickly.

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The first scheme was a lot more than 20 million,

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and so we reduced the square footage to get it down to that 20 million mark.

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The second thing I wanted to mention was that

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This is a very pedestrian, using the park as this lady already mentioned,

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it's a very pedestrian oriented area.

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A lot of people from hotels and the surrounding area on foot,

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dogs and so on being walked.

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And I think personally that locating a facility like you're indicating,

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especially with emergency vehicles, in that area is a hazard

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as well as a bad use of prime real estate.

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The city does have real estate

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where they've got the tennis courts and golf course down that area.

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The police are anyway in their vehicles, so it shouldn't impact them.

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And I think that would take away a lot of the pressure

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of the noise and the hazard

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of having the type of facility that you're describing

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right smack bang in the heart of the tourist area

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as well as it may not be aesthetically pleasing

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but that's another story.

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So I would suggest that if the city is looking at building

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on its own property, other options they could consider

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was selling some of that owned property

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which is not being put to any good use as I can tell

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and maybe acquiring you with the funds that they could raise from selling off

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some of that real estate, acquiring another location that would have less

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impact in the parkland area, if I can call it that, the park area. Thank you very

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much. Thank you. Let's come over here.

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Thank you for your presentation. I'd like

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to know where are we going to come up with the funds to, okay, yes I'm sorry, where are

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we going to come up with the funds to for this project? Where are we going to come up

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with the 20 million? Okay, we're going to be, this is the first step, so we wanted

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public input, City Commission wants public input to decide on the site, the site will

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have ramifications on the cost, will then be able to move to the next steps

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to hone in on more, this is an estimate right now, and we'll be working closely

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with the city to look at different options for cost, so that's yet to come, but that's

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obviously going to be an important part of the follow-up after this.

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Great.

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Can I ask, are they consider what this might do to property values on 104th if they stick

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a police station in our park, fire engines, and a big municipal complex?

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I mean, a lot of people live there because of the park.

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Why would they do that when they have enough space here?

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What about our property values?

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Right now, I can't answer that specifically because, again, this is a study to look at options,

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but we were tasked to look at multiple options, and so now we're getting public input. Thank you.

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I was a little disheartened to find out that we only have choice one or choice two.

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What about multi-locations dividing our facilities up? St. Pete Beach does it.

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Madeira Beach does it. I mean, I don't understand why you want your trash and everything together.

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your recreation center all in one big lump. That's not safe. It's not sanitary. It's

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confusing. It adds to the traffic congestion.

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We have other properties we can use. Treasure Bay over there is not being utilized.

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We can move our whole rec center over there.

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We could develop our community center. We could develop this.

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Why does everything have to be in one big block and only have choice one or choice two?

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I think we really need to look at multiple locations and above all we need to preserve our park.

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Our park is precious. You'll find 100 people here, 100%.

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Nobody is going to let you sacrifice our park. It's our identity.

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It's what gives our presence and our character to Treasure Island.

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Please save our park, look at other options. They're there.

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Site one and two, it's just too short-sighted. We have other facilities.

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Divide it out a little bit. It just makes sense.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Just before we take the next question, we did look at multiple sites.

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As Phil and Amy mentioned, it was a lot more costly to build a bunch of individual projects.

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But again, we're all hearing what you're saying, and we appreciate your comments.

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Before I ask some more questions, I want to say one thing to that lady who just talked.

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I live in Isle of Palms, and we're right now fighting to keep our Triangle Park,

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so I hate to see us even considering losing another park.

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So y'all need to think real long and hard about your parks.

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But I want to say a couple of things.

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First of all, I'm an engineer and I know I don't like when people say certain things to me,

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but I'm going to say to you guys your plans lack creativity.

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You don't have enough different options for you to really consider what is best for the city.

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I know FEMA issue is a problem, but there are buildings here that could potentially be rehabbed,

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need the FEMA requirements and not have to go through these high expense,

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tear some of them down, maybe change some of them, do some other creative things,

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and use the property that we have today.

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The other thing is you had some numbers that have just confused me on the square footage.

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You're saying there's some efficiencies, Amy, in the layout.

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But that takes us to where?

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Today? Where are we going to be in 10 years?

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Where are we going to be in 15 years?

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How far out have you guys considered all of this?

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you need more creativity as you go through this and think about this. Number

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three, the park. You're going to have to, everybody saw on there, there's a little

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blob over there, it's a pond. Okay, it's a storm water pond. So I know what you

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have to do in order to put the building there. You're wasting valuable open

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space in our park just so you can handle storm water while it can be

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handled here without a pond. Everybody needs to understand what's on those

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drawings.

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How long is this going to take to build so we all understand what the

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cost ramifications are? Is this a two-year project and we're going to

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spend $20 million over two years? Why is a one-stop or one move so

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important? Because if it's going to take two or three years to build and do all

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this, you're going to have to have temporary anyways. So let's do one that

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makes sense and has creativity involved with it so that everybody can

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continue to do their jobs around here and we can also pay for this over a more

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reasonable time period because we're the tax pay we're the ones going to get

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stuck with the bill.

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I'm just curious I think a lot of us are here because we

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found out about this when we saw a 20 million dollar complex being built in

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Treasure Island is there like a breakdown of the estimate how did we

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come up with 20 million dollars are we just supposed to you know do we have

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anything to look at reference the price? Yes the answer is yes we have a

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breakdown we'd be happy to provide that we provided to the city you know at this

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level there's not a lot of detail so we're looking at construction costs on

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a cost per square foot basis for the building for site work and has already

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been mentioned for all of the other soft costs so we do a lot of these

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types of projects we have recent bid numbers and so we feel pretty

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comfortable with cost. We're trying to be a little bit on the conservative side, but

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yes, there's a breakdown.

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We've provided to the city if the city wants, we can make sure

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that it's nice, clear, easy to read format.

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There's another question back here.

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Has anybody commissioned a study for the future growth of Treasure Island and how

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that might impact these proposals?

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Well, that was part of our task was to look at that, and we worked closely with the city

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and department heads to look at growth. We looked at past growth, we're looking at future growth,

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trying to understand how growth really affects departments because it affects some departments

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more than others. So that was all factored into it. We're also trying to be economical.

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So, you know, as we looked at trying to tighten the square footage up to be more economical.

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So it's a little bit of a balancing act looking to make sure that we not only meet today's needs,

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but meet some reasonable projections for the future, but also that we're concerned about taxpayer dollars.

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So we put all of those into the mix when we come up with these ideas.

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I saw a comment on this side of the room.

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So just a quick question and a statement.

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So you proposed that it could be an additional park, a waterfront park.

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I'd just like to make sure we're all clear.

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It could also be additional business, additional condos and complexes.

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Is that correct and true?

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It could be either one of those, yes?

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You know, the City Commission will ultimately decide, based on input, where the building is going to go

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and what happens with the other land.

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I can't really answer.

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I understand that question.

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Well, then my next statement is to the City Commissioners and the Mayor.

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Thank you very much for this forum.

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I think you're seeing some of the viewpoints that the residents are having.

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And one thing I just want to say, on the slide that said number seven, losing our green space is a less than desirable approach.

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I think if you listen to what we're saying, it's a number one desirable approach right now.

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We do not want to lose our green space. We don't want more businesses and more condos coming in.

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So I hope you hear this and thank you very much.

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I would like to thank all the citizens that are here to support, you know, whatever the city decides to do, but I do appreciate you being here.

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And I don't want to be crass when I say this but it looks like the city was trying to just kind of

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Steamroll this thing right underneath all the citizens

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You saw a little blurb in the beacon if you didn't read that and I personally walked in city hall

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I asked the gentleman young lady at the desk. I said, what's this meeting about a new city hall neither one

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I knew anything about it and

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I asked we sent an email to Gary

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He did put it on the board finally up until last week. There wasn't a single notice on the board

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This park has been here. I've been coming down here since I'm six years old, folks.

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That's a long time. This park has been there as long as I can remember.

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I had some friends in town last weekend. They said, man, you've got a great park.

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This park in Treasure Island, we're known for that. It's green space.

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Once it's gone, it's gone. Let me tell you, when they put a retention pond

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for all that business and all these houses, oh boy, yeah, yeah.

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You're not going to like what you get. My home was built in the 50s.

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Over the last five years, I remodel it.

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I'm very happy with it.

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I say we remodel and move on.

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Thank you.

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Well, Phil is going over to that next speaker.

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I just wanted to clarify something, the gentleman previously asking about this,

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changing to something else, condominiums or those.

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That would take a city referendum.

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So there is certain control that the citizens still have in that process.

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So I just wanted to clarify that.

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This gentleman just touched on something that I don't think we've had any discussion about,

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and that's an option three.

446
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:18,090
what about just renovating what we have?

447
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:20,510
I mean, nobody talked about renovating,

448
00:38:20,570 --> 00:38:23,750
and that could be considerably less expensive than building new buildings.

449
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:28,370
Yeah, we have, but that was our first option that we looked at,

450
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:30,710
and there were previous architectural studies,

451
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:33,490
even prior to us, that have looked at that over the years.

452
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:36,170
Unfortunately, there's a few things that are happening.

453
00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:38,730
One is the FEMA flood elevation.

454
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:40,470
Do you have to take a look?

455
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:44,410
For those of you, I'm sure probably most of you are familiar with 50% rule.

456
00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:48,830
You value the structure's value, not the land value, just the structure's value.

457
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:55,590
And you can't put more than 50% into that building before you have to raise the building and start over.

458
00:38:56,050 --> 00:39:04,190
So we looked at those issues as well as what would that do, even if we could do it, even if FEMA allowed us to do it.

459
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:07,990
You're still going to now put money into a building that's very susceptible to flooding.

460
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:11,510
I mean a Category 1, maybe not even a Category 1 would flood.

461
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:16,210
You don't have efficient layouts. You don't have all of those things.

462
00:39:16,610 --> 00:39:21,030
So that's what kind of led to this, to where we're at right now with studies.

463
00:39:21,330 --> 00:39:22,890
But we did look at it long and hard.

464
00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:25,510
I saw a comment over here.

465
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:36,470
My question was the position that Publix has taken.

466
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:39,850
Because of 104th, there's a lot of congestion already,

467
00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:42,650
and I just wondered if you had gotten any input from Publix.

468
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:46,570
We have not gotten any input from Publix.

469
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:51,690
You know, the process so far was to work with city staff to a point, bring it to the city commission.

470
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:53,770
We did that, and then we want public input.

471
00:39:54,270 --> 00:40:00,930
So after that, you know, based on information tonight and talking with the city manager staff and the city commission,

472
00:40:01,470 --> 00:40:02,530
you know, we'll take the next steps.

473
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:09,390
But we thought it was more appropriate to talk to the commission and then to you before we talk to anybody else at this point.

474
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:10,590
Let's go over here.

475
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:11,350
But thank you.

476
00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:14,390
I mean, there'll be other people, stakeholders, that'll be important to talk to.

477
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:15,050
Thank

478
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:18,870
you for taking my question.

479
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:27,030
Tonight is the first time we've heard of Harvey Jolly, so I was wondering if they were contracted pursuant to an RFP.

480
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:33,610
If so, when did the RFP go out? In other words, how long has this been in the planning stages?

481
00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:36,770
Secondly, what is the criteria for a referendum?

482
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:41,970
The first question, Harvey Jolly, we're a local architectural firm.

483
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:45,630
We're based out of St. Petersburg. We've been in business for 80 years.

484
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:49,390
And so we went through the RFP process.

485
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:52,490
There were multiple different architectural firms that submitted.

486
00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:56,390
We went through that process of submitting a book.

487
00:40:57,390 --> 00:41:04,130
You know, I can't remember exactly, but then it was been a kind of diligent process of collecting all of the data,

488
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:07,350
going through the programming, looking at site options.

489
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:12,290
And ultimately, we've made several presentations to the City Commission.

490
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:14,890
city commissions prior to this city commission.

491
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:18,970
So we've been working closely with the city for a year.

492
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:20,090
Over a year.

493
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:20,750
Over a year.

494
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:23,130
But multiple different city commission meetings.

495
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:35,900
The criteria for a referendum, okay, and I'm not an expert at your charter,

496
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,920
so I don't know if Gary wants to help out,

497
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:42,220
but I know one thing is clear that you cannot sell city property,

498
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,180
waterfront property, without a referendum.

499
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:47,960
So I was trying to answer that gentleman's question a little bit more directly.

500
00:41:48,140 --> 00:41:52,860
That was the trigger point. The trigger point was the gentleman was concerned about something here.

501
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:59,860
The gentleman was concerned about something going on here that isn't necessarily park land that the city would sell it.

502
00:42:00,380 --> 00:42:05,040
We couldn't do that without going back to the population for a referendum.

503
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:07,220
That was the criteria I was talking about.

504
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,180
We would need a referendum to do anything other than what we're doing on it now.

505
00:42:16,340 --> 00:42:17,060
Thank you, Gary.

506
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:18,580
Did you have a question?

507
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:19,980
My question was simple.

508
00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:21,820
It was reference to something some may else ask.

509
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,480
This building's been here since 1950, correct?

510
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:27,940
1950.

511
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:29,880
The building's been here since 1950.

512
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:31,240
I believe that's correct.

513
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:31,700
Yeah.

514
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,860
How many times has it had to be repaired from hurricane damage?

515
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Or has it flooded in the years that it's been here?

516
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,580
Because it's still here.

517
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,180
Yeah.

518
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,560
We haven't been hit by a hurricane.

519
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,420
The last hurricane in this area is 1921.

520
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:49,980
So, you know, it's anybody's guess as to, well, we didn't have Hurricane Force winds here,

521
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:52,840
thankfully.

522
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:55,820
Somebody else?

523
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:09,730
And I'm new to Treasure Island, so this is all kind of new to me, and I appreciate everybody being here and the insights.

524
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:16,330
But has anybody looked east of here for sites, for possible sites?

525
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:21,970
I mean, why are we taking, maybe we're talking about the two prime spots in a very small area.

526
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:26,310
We're talking about taking two prime spots for government buildings.

527
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:33,110
Is there no other real estate east of here, across the bridge, that could be utilized?

528
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:41,130
I spent 15 years as a consultant working for Walmart, and in Bentonville,

529
00:43:41,230 --> 00:43:44,630
they run a $600 billion company out of old warehouses.

530
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:52,650
I mean, it just seems like we're trying to build a Taj Mahal, and it just seems like

531
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:56,470
there's some other alternatives that we haven't even looked at for the office, as I would think.

532
00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:02,990
I'm just curious if, you know, have we looked at doing something else with leaving the park where it is?

533
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:07,950
I mean, you could sell this land that we're setting on and go buy a whole lot of, you know,

534
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:09,110
if that was really what you wanted to do.

535
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:14,310
You could sell this to developers and go buy any kind of land to actually build office space on.

536
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,980
Thank you.

537
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:20,900
We looked at the sites that were in the presentation.

538
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,240
That was kind of our task with the City Commission at that time.

539
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:30,150
We looked at the sites that were on the diagram.

540
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:32,590
If you're referring to sites out of town, east of here?

541
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:33,310
No, we did not.

542
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:39,110
Yeah, I mean, do the government offices have to be right on sort of the island in the prime real estate?

543
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:40,090
I guess that's the question.

544
00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:40,910
I

545
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:56,220
would like to know who has the final say in this decision, the residents or the commission.

546
00:44:58,210 --> 00:44:59,970
Will the city commission ultimately...

547
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:14,880
Well, ultimately, city commission is going to make a decision. How they're going to involve the public, that's really up to the city commission. That's not for us to answer.

548
00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:25,960
But this is great. The turnout here is great. This is exactly what we expect. It's early in the process. You're giving us feedback. And this is, as architects, is exactly what we would expect.

549
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,400
and I'm sure the mayor and the commissioners thrilled that you had this turn out.

550
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,980
We appreciate you taking the time to come out here.

551
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Let's keep it moving around and then we'll come back to Elvis.

552
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,160
This is going to be very, very quick.

553
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:45,620
I'm Dolores Grangeman. I've lived here since 62, raised by children here.

554
00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:50,220
Now my grandchildren come. They love this area. They love it. They love it. They love it.

555
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,480
And I just, I'm not Mr. Jolly. Is that your name, Jolly?

556
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,040
No, but that's our, one of our founding partners, Lancer Jolly.

557
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040
This is a deference to the engineer who mentioned creativity and foresight.

558
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:13,640
Wasn't it Harvard Jolly that did the pier downtown, which destroyed the charm of the old St. Petersburg on the pier?

559
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:22,240
And that building is gone. And then I do remember a few years ago, I believe it was your firm,

560
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,460
that wanted to put a commercial attraction down at that beautiful Fort De Soto.

561
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:33,920
It was an English city or some kind of a thing, and it was voted down.

562
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:39,740
So that's the only thing I do respect, the engineer mentioning creativity and foresight.

563
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:45,520
If you follow the news, parks are being just spoken of so beautifully all over the country

564
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,900
now, and as a gentleman said, when the green space is gone, it's gone.

565
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:08,200
We have talked about just those two locations, and someone brought up another location.

566
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,700
And as anybody looked at the, I hate to say this,

567
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:12,640
but the club at TI over there,

568
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:15,660
that's a huge piece of property with an existing building.

569
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,280
And it certainly could accommodate all this

570
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,960
and be added on to and still have park space over there

571
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,980
with tennis courts.

572
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
I don't know whether, I think Bill Edwards owns it.

573
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:31,480
I don't know whether he would sell it,

574
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,200
but everything is for sale.

575
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:40,680
And it would require an addition and probably fire and police out by the street,

576
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,560
but it still would be a prime piece of property that's underused right now.

577
00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:01,040
I personally don't like having just two choices and I have a little beam that I got to put on one or the other.

578
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:08,380
I think we should have started this discussion a year ago and got all the input before we spent all the money getting all this done.

579
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,820
I think we need at least two more choices.

580
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,100
One of them, Heidi, has done a beautiful plan

581
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:20,740
to use both spaces, leaving open space all over town.

582
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:26,440
So it might be a couple more things we want to look at before we get

583
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,480
through A or B.

584
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,400
Okay. Thank you.

585
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,620
In the back of the room here?

586
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,640
I don't know if this was already asked, because I missed the beginning of it.

587
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,480
But do we think about maybe just going up with this building and just having a second floor

588
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:52,600
and that way, you know, it would help with the flooding if that would happen and then just build up?

589
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,880
I mean, has that been looked at?

590
00:48:55,620 --> 00:49:00,420
This building was not designed to go up vertically, so that's not possible to do that.

591
00:49:00,620 --> 00:49:02,020
If it was, that would be an option.

592
00:49:16,850 --> 00:49:17,390
Thank you.

593
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:18,250
Can I hold it?

594
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:19,730
Oh, well, okay.

595
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:21,750
Oh, I'm not used to it.

596
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:26,030
If I recall, didn't we have a referendum,

597
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:29,370
I don't know what year it was recently,

598
00:49:29,810 --> 00:49:32,590
where we, they wanted a new city hall then,

599
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:34,490
because everybody down the beaches

600
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:36,350
was getting a brand new building

601
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:38,550
so they could have their computer to work at.

602
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:41,170
You know, the most things we need

603
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:44,870
are out in the community for our trash pickup,

604
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,010
our fire and our police department

605
00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:50,230
that we still have, by the way.

606
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:54,890
A lot of people got rid of the police department and went with the sheriff's department.

607
00:49:55,310 --> 00:49:58,630
Then our fire department also buddied up with Madeira Beach.

608
00:49:59,270 --> 00:50:00,990
They work hand in hand.

609
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:04,090
Because we shot down the density.

610
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:08,930
Because the higher you go in the buildings, you've got to have a taller ladder

611
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:11,990
to go save the people up top if they have a fire.

612
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:16,870
I don't like having the choices we have either.

613
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:20,190
And, you know, you see, you don't know who's going to pay for it.

614
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:24,430
Well, tomorrow and the next day, there's some kind of budget meetings I read online.

615
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:27,930
It's already something, you already have some data, I presume.

616
00:50:29,470 --> 00:50:34,530
You don't say, well, I'm just going to build this, or I'm going to dream this,

617
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:37,110
and then I'm going to figure out how to pay for it,

618
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:42,490
because that's not fair to the people of the society we live in, the community.

619
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:46,750
And I love the engineer there about the creativity.

620
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:51,530
Well, if it's not built, tear part of the building down and make it go up.

621
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:55,330
The lady, the commissioner, Horace, is that her name, Horace?

622
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:57,810
Horac. Horac.

623
00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:05,650
I was concerned about lack of space, but did I see we were going down to the square footage to equal this just about?

624
00:51:07,550 --> 00:51:13,310
She said, we had lack of space, no seating areas for waiting for people like you're in

625
00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:21,470
a hospital, you have to wait in a waiting room, no seating area, no office space, and everybody,

626
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:22,650
the sick syndrome.

627
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:30,840
Did somebody come in, and say, you got to shut down because people can't breathe right

628
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,140
here?

629
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:37,900
Being a nurse, you know, I find that, you know, my house could be bad if I don't

630
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,760
So I think we need to revisit this whole thing and not just get a new building.

631
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,960
Maybe tear part of it down and build up or something.

632
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,380
I yield back to this engineer gentleman he wanted to speak.

633
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:54,860
I yield back to you, sir.

634
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:03,470
I just want to reiterate what she's saying here.

635
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:06,710
I mean FEMA does not, the FEMA rule does not need to be the end-all.

636
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:12,110
You showed square footage, you want to go up in square footage by probably less than 10%,

637
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:14,750
But FEMA allows you to do a 50% rule.

638
00:52:15,330 --> 00:52:20,970
I believe if you use some creativity you can find a way to use this particular area we have right now today.

639
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:26,350
Make some modifications and make it work and give these people a great place.

640
00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:28,530
I love this city hall area here.

641
00:52:28,830 --> 00:52:32,330
I come down here for building permits all the time and stuff and the people are so friendly.

642
00:52:32,830 --> 00:52:36,270
It's just a nice little hometown feel and we need to maintain it.

643
00:52:36,450 --> 00:52:39,650
And I hate to see you go into some Taj Mahal thing that's going to ruin that.

644
00:52:40,130 --> 00:52:44,370
And I know you want to make it to where it's a one move, but I don't think it has to be

645
00:52:44,370 --> 00:52:49,090
I don't think FEMA has rule has to be an end-all and I don't think a one move has to be the end-all

646
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:52,250
I think you just go back to the drawing board and think a little bit about it

647
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:58,730
We don't want to lose a part. I think that makes more sense than everybody else can rule however you want to rule in my mind

648
00:52:58,730 --> 00:53:03,270
That's a better deal and just use some creativity and try to make these buildings work

649
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:09,030
Or maybe you tear one of them down and make it better while you expand on the other one the police and the fire

650
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:14,650
you show the smallest square footage increased by them and I can drive by

651
00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:17,750
here every day and I see that parking lot on the other side of the police

652
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:22,410
station half full. So I know there's square footage that you could probably get

653
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:26,910
over there. Just use your your minds and your creativity and make a work.

654
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:34,560
Thank

655
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:34,720
you.

656
00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:41,030
It appears that everybody doesn't want to give up green space but if I'm

657
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:44,970
making a decision on this I'd like to have more than two choices. I'd like

658
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:51,870
to see, I'm not going to say four or five, but it could be multiple locations and what's

659
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:55,570
wrong with using the space in Treasure Bay, and that's my opinion.

660
00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:57,590
Thank you.

661
00:54:02,290 --> 00:54:02,950
Let's go to the back.

662
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:03,610
Hi,

663
00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:10,830
thank you.

664
00:54:11,330 --> 00:54:15,190
I just had a couple of questions on cost.

665
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:19,510
Excuse me, if we could, she's trying to speak, if we could kind of have it quiet.

666
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:23,210
We're going to stay around at the end if people want to kind of come up to us individually

667
00:54:23,210 --> 00:54:25,010
if you want to talk, but thank you.

668
00:54:25,810 --> 00:54:28,210
I wondered in your, in the budgeting,

669
00:54:30,250 --> 00:54:32,250
did the options, considering, thank you,

670
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:35,390
considering redoing the roads anywhere in there

671
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:37,190
because you won't be able to handle the traffic,

672
00:54:38,330 --> 00:54:41,470
that intersection at 104th and Gulf Boulevard

673
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:42,670
is the second busiest,

674
00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:47,030
the other one being central or 107th and Gulf Boulevard,

675
00:54:47,090 --> 00:54:48,750
which is smack in this right in the middle

676
00:54:48,750 --> 00:54:51,090
of the two busiest intersections we have.

677
00:54:51,090 --> 00:54:56,990
So in your budgeting, have you allotted any money for redoing the roads

678
00:54:56,990 --> 00:55:01,150
and does that require for the roads to be widened to handle the extra?

679
00:55:01,590 --> 00:55:03,510
Because if you've got police coming out in a hurry

680
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:06,630
and fire trucks coming out in a hurry on a small two-lane road

681
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:14,430
with pedestrian crosswalks within 10 feet on one side

682
00:55:14,430 --> 00:55:17,990
and 25 yards on the other side

683
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:23,350
and multiple pedestrian crosswalks with these large vehicles coming in and out in emergency situations,

684
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:26,750
I would assume you would have to do something else with the roads.

685
00:55:27,210 --> 00:55:29,390
And I wondered if that was included in the budget.

686
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:40,990
My second question is the cost of the park that we may have included in the budget for moving it over to,

687
00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:47,790
If it's moved to the TI, the current TI park is the cost of this park included in what we're paying.

688
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:57,130
Also, looking under your bullets of the things that you think would be best, your best choices,

689
00:55:57,330 --> 00:56:00,650
I noticed that, okay, losing the park was one that was not desirable.

690
00:56:01,330 --> 00:56:06,190
Having your everything in one location was desirable for obvious reasons.

691
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:07,850
I agree for obvious reasons.

692
00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:15,290
However, you are separating out all of your public works and all of that is being separated out,

693
00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:24,710
which also would be of limited appeal at a waterfront part to be surrounded by dump trucks

694
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:27,190
and garbage trucks and the pumping station.

695
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:31,750
I had another question also on the retention ponds.

696
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:33,750
I've been listening, that's why I waited.

697
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:35,170
on the retention ponds.

698
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:39,830
Will the retention ponds always have water in them

699
00:56:39,830 --> 00:56:41,230
or only storm water?

700
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:45,530
And what happens to all the soggy mess that kind of happens?

701
00:56:46,610 --> 00:56:49,370
I know Greg has lived at the tides for quite some time.

702
00:56:49,470 --> 00:56:51,450
He's new to Treasure Island. He's not new to the area.

703
00:56:51,810 --> 00:56:53,610
He's lived at the tides for quite some time

704
00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:55,570
and they have them at the tides

705
00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:57,650
and they create a great problem there.

706
00:56:58,530 --> 00:57:04,090
There's, as you know, a marshy area smells and draws insects, mainly mosquitoes.

707
00:57:04,750 --> 00:57:09,430
Even though when the water is in there, it is being aerated.

708
00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:15,170
But when there's not enough water to be aerated and it's only flat on the bottom in puddles and spots,

709
00:57:15,490 --> 00:57:17,950
that does draw mosquitoes and insects.

710
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:25,210
And lastly, it's not your job to tell us how the funds will be raised,

711
00:57:25,210 --> 00:57:34,570
but I'm sure that our city manager or mayor or commissioners have had conversation about this

712
00:57:34,570 --> 00:57:39,490
before they spent all the money over 18 months ago, started all this project,

713
00:57:39,870 --> 00:57:43,470
and could they perhaps give us an idea of what their plans are?

714
00:57:43,550 --> 00:57:49,530
Okay, you have lots of questions there, so let me try and remember one at a time.

715
00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:53,650
No, I may ask you to do that if I need some help.

716
00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:58,410
Starting out with site costs, we have site costs included.

717
00:57:58,690 --> 00:58:00,610
We don't have any off-site costs included.

718
00:58:01,130 --> 00:58:04,830
We didn't want to get too far down the road without meeting with the public,

719
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:07,070
meeting with the commission trying to determine where we're at.

720
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:11,450
So we will take a look at that and see if there are any other off-site costs.

721
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:14,910
We have a civil engineer, so we'll follow up with that.

722
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:18,430
Yes, with the roads. Yes, yes, ma'am.

723
00:58:19,110 --> 00:58:21,670
So all the other costs are in there, site costs are in there.

724
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:26,590
In terms of accounting for cause for the park here,

725
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:28,450
if it were to move over to the community center,

726
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:32,170
we have not done that only because we weren't sure the level of detail.

727
00:58:32,430 --> 00:58:35,150
So right now we're just showing it as a green field, so to speak.

728
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:38,890
But we also didn't show if it was built on this property

729
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:42,150
the requirements for temporary moving space.

730
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:46,350
So we do have to ultimately, when there's a certain direction to go in,

731
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:49,790
we have homework to do no matter which option is looked at.

732
00:58:53,110 --> 00:58:56,670
We're going to do geotechnical engineering, understand what that is.

733
00:58:56,750 --> 00:59:00,450
We have a civil engineer, so we'll come up with stormwater that's appropriate.

734
00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:04,790
I don't have an exact answer on that, but we'll be working in those details

735
00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:09,110
as we move forward with any option that there is, because we have to deal with stormwater.

736
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:12,490
We do have some stormwater credits on this property,

737
00:59:12,590 --> 00:59:16,210
and that's why it was referred to as not having to do as much stormwater on this property

738
00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:19,610
as the other one, although we still have to think about flooding,

739
00:59:19,610 --> 00:59:23,490
just because you don't have to deal with stormwater, it doesn't mean that it doesn't go someplace

740
00:59:23,490 --> 00:59:24,370
as to go someplace.

741
00:59:26,050 --> 00:59:27,930
So did I answer all of them?

742
00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:28,190
There

743
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:38,280
is no water in them at some times.

744
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:38,900
Is that correct?

745
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:43,940
Well, we would strive to have them dry, but it all depends on the testing that we do,

746
00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:46,660
where the groundwater table is, how we handle it.

747
00:59:46,900 --> 00:59:48,660
There's a lot of different ways to handle stormwater.

748
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,640
So I just don't have any.

749
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:54,480
We're not at that level of detail yet, but we will be addressing it.

750
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,240
And there'll be more meetings, so hopefully we'll get a good turnout like this again.

751
01:00:00,780 --> 01:00:04,520
We'll have the final vote on the plan that's been presented tonight.

752
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:07,820
The commission has, but ultimately in the city the commission has authority.

753
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,760
So the people here will not have a final vote on it or say so?

754
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,860
Yeah, I'm not saying that. I don't know that.

755
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:17,080
The reason I said, we appreciate all you people turning out here,

756
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,220
and I'm not a member of the city council at all,

757
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,960
but I would say there's probably a hundred people in here.

758
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,860
And if each, as you just hear sirens go down the street, fire trucks and ambulances,

759
01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:34,100
And if each person here lost $50,000 in home value at 100 people here, in my estimation

760
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:38,680
in calculating this, that's a $5 million loss just in real estate property.

761
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,260
I hope the council takes all this into consideration.

762
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:44,400
I'm sure you will because you have a lot of intelligent people on this committee.

763
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Okay, to consider these flows here because they have a tremendous investment.

764
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:50,720
You have a great community here.

765
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:51,760
Let's try to keep it.

766
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,200
Thank you.

767
01:00:58,950 --> 01:01:03,510
Why the City Council isn't up there next to you and answering some of these questions?

768
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:10,990
There will be City Commission meetings where they will have plenty of time.

769
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:15,990
Right now I believe they see it as a forum for the public to speak and they're listening.

770
01:01:17,330 --> 01:01:20,250
And I appreciate them being here. I'm sure all of you do too.

771
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:27,350
Has there been a date set that they will make a decision to the City Council on what site that they will choose?

772
01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:33,490
I believe that they're looking in around September, but a date has not been set yet.

773
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,320
Yes, but I think since that was posted, I think they're thinking that they might want a little bit more time

774
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:47,780
and make sure people are back from summer vacations and things like that.

775
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,340
So I think from what I'm hearing tonight, they want to give ample time to be able to make that decision.

776
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:57,170
Thank you for noticing that.

777
01:01:57,330 --> 01:01:59,670
Is this the question that can be put through a referendum?

778
01:02:01,710 --> 01:02:03,150
I'm sorry, the question again?

779
01:02:03,610 --> 01:02:05,650
Is this a question that could be put to a referendum?

780
01:02:06,850 --> 01:02:11,110
You know, I don't know. We're architects, so we're coming up with ideas and solutions,

781
01:02:11,330 --> 01:02:14,450
and we're going to work with the city, but I can't answer that question.

782
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:23,010
Hi. My wife and I have lived here since 95. We love it.

783
01:02:23,290 --> 01:02:28,130
But from our perspective, the way this has been presented to us is a choice between

784
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:30,570
an amputation or a sharp stick in the eye.

785
01:02:31,850 --> 01:02:39,050
I would like to think there's a better solution utilizing a portion of these buildings that they have not presented us with.

786
01:02:50,540 --> 01:03:03,380
Anybody here from Publix, and there needs to be, because Publix, every day I see at least five big trucks coming down 104th.

787
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:12,400
The only way they can deliver their food is to pull into Park Place, which to me would be over just a block.

788
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,400
There's no other way for them to back in there and deliver their groceries.

789
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:23,220
And they're huge trucks, and I'll make sure that we get a hold of Publix.

790
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:25,580
Because this is ridiculous.

791
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:26,780
a

792
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:40,320
firetruck or even around one of those trucks, those public trucks, a firetruck or a policeman.

793
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:55,390
Thank you. Given the sentiment and the views of everybody expressed here, there seems to be a unanimity about having limited choices

794
01:03:55,390 --> 01:04:03,410
and I'd like to propose that we do not vote tonight. We do not use these blue stickers and we table that for another meeting.

795
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:04,230
I

796
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:21,500
just want to, I forgot the person in the front who mentioned about widening your streets.

797
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:29,020
TAP is going through a major study right now because of that terrible tragedy on Bayshark Boulevard

798
01:04:29,020 --> 01:04:33,440
where a woman and child were killed, and that's what four lanes now four or five.

799
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:40,140
And what I heard is that the more lanes you put on residential streets,

800
01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:45,820
the danger of increased speed occurs and so Tampa is going through a major

801
01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:51,240
study now of their streets so I don't think you want to consider adding lanes

802
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,020
to your residential streets. Thank you.

803
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,020
Bob Menning I am the most recent ex-mayor

804
01:05:08,220 --> 01:05:13,100
of the town and it's great to see the wonderful turnout that's here this

805
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:17,420
evening and people voicing their opinions believe me it's since I was

806
01:05:17,420 --> 01:05:23,960
involved in the in the city. I don't think I've seen an audience this large for anything so my

807
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:28,660
congratulations to all of you for doing that. If I could just have a show of hands, how many people

808
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:39,140
here are in the vicinity of 104th and the community center. Okay, now I understand why the the

809
01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:46,660
interest. How many people here are from Paradise Island? Okay, I would venture to say that if

810
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:52,180
If the proposal was to build the facility over at the rec center, that this room would probably

811
01:05:52,180 --> 01:05:57,240
be just as crowded or just as well attended by folks from that area.

812
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:03,940
My point in saying all this is you have to recognize that not everybody is going to be

813
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:06,460
happy with whatever decision is made.

814
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,520
It just doesn't work that way.

815
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:09,540
Please.

816
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:10,940
Hey, wait a minute.

817
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:11,760
I'm speaking.

818
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:15,570
No, I'm not, sir.

819
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:18,150
Let's let him speak.

820
01:06:18,350 --> 01:06:19,110
Can I speak please?

821
01:06:19,790 --> 01:06:21,810
You've had your time. I give my time.

822
01:06:22,610 --> 01:06:23,030
Thank you.

823
01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:32,430
The folks here have expressed different opinions about different alternatives.

824
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:41,950
They've also expressed opinions about the studies that were done were not in-depth studies and were not sufficiently creative to look at all the alternatives.

825
01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:44,010
I don't agree with that.

826
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:47,050
Harvard Jolly has done an excellent job.

827
01:06:47,050 --> 01:06:50,870
The City Department of Public Works has done an excellent job.

828
01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:56,270
As well as the residents, this project has been ongoing for at least two years, even longer.

829
01:06:57,210 --> 01:07:01,490
And so there's been plenty of opportunity with the meetings that we've had at the Commission

830
01:07:01,950 --> 01:07:04,690
for input from the residents throughout this process.

831
01:07:05,350 --> 01:07:08,230
However, it is nice to see everybody here invoicing an opinion.

832
01:07:08,910 --> 01:07:14,190
But I again stand by my word that as this thing boils down, let me say one more thing.

833
01:07:14,190 --> 01:07:18,090
In terms of growth, Treasure Island is built out.

834
01:07:19,230 --> 01:07:26,310
What you see going on in Treasure Island is residents being torn down or redeveloped,

835
01:07:26,310 --> 01:07:29,650
and if they're being redeveloped, they're being redeveloped to the FEMA regulations.

836
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:33,870
We are constrained as a city by the FEMA regulations.

837
01:07:34,130 --> 01:07:35,810
We've said it umpteen times this evening.

838
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:40,950
If that doesn't suffice, I suggest that you try and take a look at the FEMA regulations,

839
01:07:41,110 --> 01:07:43,030
apply them to what we're discussing this evening,

840
01:07:43,030 --> 01:07:49,010
and see if there's some creative way and opportunity to utilize the facilities we had.

841
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:55,630
The City Commission two years ago made the decision, rather than put $700,000 into this building,

842
01:07:56,290 --> 01:07:58,690
that we retired of putting money down a rat hole.

843
01:07:59,490 --> 01:08:04,030
And it was time to look at and confess to the fact that this building is antiquated,

844
01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:08,210
it's outdated, it's not in compliance with FEMA, it's not hardened,

845
01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:13,950
And it really doesn't meet the needs of a city as we move forward.

846
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:17,770
So with that said, I again stand by it.

847
01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:21,790
Some of the folks will be happy with the decision wherever it is,

848
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:25,390
and some of the folks in the city will not be happy. Thank you.

849
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:26,410
Thank you.

850
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:38,000
The only comment I would like to have to make is I go to 99% of all commission meetings.

851
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:43,180
If there is three people in the commission meeting, that's a crowd.

852
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,560
This has been advertised when they had it twice in front of the commissioners in the last couple months.

853
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:56,800
You can go online, look at the agenda, and if you think you would like to talk about that particular item,

854
01:08:57,060 --> 01:08:58,820
you have every opportunity to.

855
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:04,340
And I don't think maybe I recognize two or three people in this whole audience.

856
01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:07,960
Someone I heard, someone said, how come we didn't know about it?

857
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:14,260
Well, here is your key word, 6-4-4.

858
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:16,900
That is the government channel.

859
01:09:17,820 --> 01:09:19,040
You can watch reruns.

860
01:09:20,340 --> 01:09:25,360
You have to be able to get it because that's part of the community government spectrum.

861
01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:26,760
I use the word spectrum.

862
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:28,500
You have to have the box.

863
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,520
You have to be able to get channel 644.

864
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,900
And if you don't know about that, shame on you all.

865
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,280
So, look at, when you go home, go look at 644.

866
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:46,120
This, one of the meetings for the commissioners about the site plan might already be rescheduled.

867
01:09:47,060 --> 01:09:49,320
And we're going to have recycling issues.

868
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:51,600
There's a lot of issues.

869
01:09:52,260 --> 01:09:57,320
So if you want to be involved, don't be involved at the ninth hour, the twelfth hour.

870
01:09:57,740 --> 01:09:59,860
Go to the commission meetings. Thank you.

871
01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:00,480
I

872
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:10,660
appreciate your comment on that.

873
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:13,700
And if this has been going on for two years, shame on me.

874
01:10:13,940 --> 01:10:18,400
But I get a text message and a phone call every time the bridge is broken.

875
01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:25,040
Can I not get something on a $20 million project in my local community telling me that this is happening?

876
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:26,700
I'm sorry, I still work.

877
01:10:26,980 --> 01:10:31,920
I can't, I don't monitor all the different channels or can't go to every meeting.

878
01:10:32,260 --> 01:10:34,540
But I just found out about this and I live here.

879
01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:43,060
So I don't know why we can't communicate better when I seriously get a text every week for something that's going on around here.

880
01:10:52,890 --> 01:11:00,970
I'm sorry I don't hear your name, but did you not mention that this was in the very early stages of development and that you were looking for public input?

881
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:04,390
That doesn't sound like the ninth hour to me.

882
01:11:05,850 --> 01:11:19,290
Yeah, there I think what she was referring to is we had previous meetings with the city commission to report on the condition of existing buildings, programming, leading up to site analysis and now.

883
01:11:19,870 --> 01:11:29,010
So there's still a long way to go, but she is correct. There have been multiple different city commission meetings over the last year to two years.

884
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:45,480
What brought about the necessity of having a whole new building of $20 million worth?

885
01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:52,760
Because from what I read, and like I heard about it from somebody on Madeira Beach too,

886
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,200
I didn't hear about it anywhere else either and shame on me and I live here,

887
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:03,300
because I remember when they wanted to build a new city hall a couple years ago

888
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:05,700
and the land density thing again.

889
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:09,140
And as far as I know, you're rushing this now through,

890
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:12,280
and then a commissioner meeting is August 7th.

891
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:12,840
Is that correct?

892
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,320
That's what the website said.

893
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,960
And then the final site approval is August 21st.

894
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,480
So where are we?

895
01:12:20,940 --> 01:12:23,020
And tomorrow there's meetings with the,

896
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:25,000
the meetings about the budget.

897
01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:28,360
So you don't know already about the building?

898
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,840
Some things are wrong.

899
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,580
I believe every city commission now is going through budget hearings.

900
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,700
I don't know in overall budget hearings.

901
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,160
So that's probably what you're referring to in the next few days.

902
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,160
I'm not aware. We're not attending those meetings.

903
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,700
I don't know what the discussion is on this building.

904
01:12:43,940 --> 01:12:47,680
But the process we go through is looking at existing buildings,

905
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:51,780
looking at whether you should renovate or add on or build new.

906
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,820
It's a typical process we go through.

907
01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:56,500
Look at how much space you need.

908
01:12:56,500 --> 01:13:00,700
And not until you get to this point, can you really tell what the costs are?

909
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,020
The costs are still, an estimate, still preliminary.

910
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,080
So the City Commission is just grappling with this.

911
01:13:07,140 --> 01:13:12,820
As you're hearing it, you're dealing with those things when it kind of decide site selection,

912
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:18,100
where are we going from here, where we can help fine-tune those costs.

913
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:28,100
What you presented that I think I saw, and you had to scale it down from 77,000 square feet to 44,000.

914
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:32,300
And this is 43,000 according to your chart.

915
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:34,060
The overall city facilities.

916
01:13:34,420 --> 01:13:40,020
Yes, 43,000, and so you're going to go up another 1,000 for 20-some million dollars.

917
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,020
It would be all new.

918
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,920
Because they need more space. There's a lack of space for storage.

919
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:52,660
Okay. As we presented, these are inefficient buildings. With a new building, you do a few things.

920
01:13:53,300 --> 01:13:57,340
You not only build it to FEMA regulations, so you don't have to worry about storms as much.

921
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,940
Hardened building, efficient building, and all of those types of things.

922
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,080
A new comment back here.

923
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:19,060
I think Madera Beach just built an entire new complex very similar to what we're proposing.

924
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:31,580
Do you know how much that costs them because we can look at that in a completed project

925
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:33,600
and relate to a cost of?

926
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:35,680
Do you know how much?

927
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:40,320
I don't have the exact numbers, but we are using some of those numbers

928
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:45,200
and trying to find out what the construction costs were interpolate.

929
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,840
Of course, that was done at a different time

930
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,040
when costs were different.

931
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,840
a little bit cheaper. Right now construction costs are going up, so we have to factor that

932
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:59,640
in, but we are looking at that complex and even talking with the contractor that built

933
01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:59,880
that

934
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,220
To try and interpolate those costs and how they compare to these costs, so we are doing

935
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:05,500
that.

936
01:15:05,620 --> 01:15:10,380
Nobody is saying that nobody here knows how much they spent in total.

937
01:15:11,100 --> 01:15:13,640
We did have those numbers. I don't have them at my fingertips.

938
01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:14,860
Was it 20 million?

939
01:15:15,460 --> 01:15:19,200
I don't believe it was 20 million because I don't think their facilities were as big.

940
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,780
I don't believe that they didn't have to deal with police. They dealt with City Hall

941
01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:30,700
fire station so we're dealing with more components but we are looking at that

942
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:34,400
we obviously look at that yeah we're looking at all different would be a

943
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,100
good frame of reference for everybody who's interested in Treasure Island to

944
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:42,080
drive over there I've been over there just once but I wasn't aware of it and

945
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:47,880
it would be if that cost 18 million we get a comparison just by walking

946
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:52,940
through it yeah we're looking at that as well as other buildings that we've

947
01:15:52,940 --> 01:15:55,200
built so we and you have to interpolate.

948
01:15:55,980 --> 01:16:01,220
Yeah, just to piggyback on the comment of the residents not being informed, I

949
01:16:01,220 --> 01:16:05,740
think the relevant point is we're here now. There's a general consensus of our

950
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:09,600
concerns and the problems that we face. I think you really need to listen to

951
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,940
us now. This is not the ninth hour. We have a consensus of concerns, the

952
01:16:13,940 --> 01:16:18,860
park utilizing other spaces. So please listen to us. You know, let's back

953
01:16:18,860 --> 01:16:22,500
up. Let's go slow. Let's look at other choices. We're here now. We're

954
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:26,080
speaking up. Please listen. We are and we appreciate you being here.

955
01:16:34,190 --> 01:16:35,430
Can you hear in the back?

956
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:42,440
How much more congested do you want 104th and 106th Avenue to become?

957
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,420
It's difficult to get out of your own driveway now with the traffic.

958
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:51,720
Can you residents tolerate more noise from the police, fire, and ambulance 24 hours a day

959
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,860
in addition to the present existing noise? The sirens can be tolerated

960
01:16:56,860 --> 01:17:00,460
from 108th Avenue, but not 104th Avenue.

961
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,200
104th Avenue is a residential area.

962
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,920
It will be extremely noisy and busy 24 hours a day.

963
01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:09,820
It will look terrible to have the buildings fill the park

964
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:11,140
and also inappropriate.

965
01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:12,080
I

966
01:17:23,980 --> 01:17:26,760
have a couple of architectural questions

967
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,020
rather than government questions.

968
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,160
What are... I need to get an idea

969
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,520
of how big this building is going to be.

970
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:44,580
So can you give me if it 100 by 200 and we're going up to stories or what for that?

971
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,720
It's the first level would be

972
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,680
Bays what we call base so so you have the the firetruck bays

973
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:59,340
You have a bay for police which called the Sally port and you have a vehicle maintenance bay for public works

974
01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:04,480
Above that would be three levels. Okay, but the actual building dimensions

975
01:18:05,540 --> 01:18:12,060
Not counting going up, but the surface the land area not the aerial but the land area

976
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:17,000
Is it like a hundred by two hundred or what is that dimension for one?

977
01:18:17,260 --> 01:18:21,360
You know we haven't designed that yet now you can see to scale you could see

978
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:27,200
Approximately how it is on that piece of land, but that box could be skinnier and longer

979
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:33,500
If we have to design a building yet the building has not been designed. That's a conceptual footprint that is generally

980
01:18:34,100 --> 01:18:38,380
actually denotes a floor plate. It's not been designed, it's just a plate board.

981
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,720
But it is to scale on that property.

982
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:50,940
For what the scale was. Because if we take in consideration what the citizens are saying, and I have to admit, I'm one that's for green space too.

983
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:53,880
But that's something internal, that's not your problem.

984
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:59,720
What I would like to know, if we were to build on this site,

985
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,960
is there any way that we could segment our three stories up

986
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:12,180
and do so much so that maybe we wouldn't have to displace employees for so long,

987
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,200
and then you tear down a building and then you can keep on adding on to it

988
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,020
so that maybe the moves wouldn't be quite as bad,

989
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,140
because moves are very disruptive to personnel.

990
01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:29,300
And I want to be I want to be sympathetic about that, but I want to do the most cost-effective way

991
01:19:29,300 --> 01:19:37,600
And I'd also like to keep green space, but if we've got 42,000 43 or 44,000 square feet

992
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,500
And we're gonna put that over three

993
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:40,960
floors

994
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:45,020
That gives us X number square feet

995
01:19:45,020 --> 01:19:49,120
So roughly I guess I'll have to go to my calculator and figure out

996
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,060
If I was going to make it a rectangle, what it would be, I was just trying to see how big

997
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:59,660
this building really is going to be because we don't have any idea of that.

998
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,440
And I just wanted to kind of go that direction.

999
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:11,480
Is there any way, what would be the feasibility of doing partial and then adding on to it

1000
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:13,680
so we don't have displacement as much?

1001
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,300
Good, all good questions.

1002
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:18,240
So the footprint is conceptual, as Phil said.

1003
01:20:18,420 --> 01:20:20,100
I mean, if you want to do the math, I don't have a calculator,

1004
01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:23,700
but you take the 44,000 square feet, divide it by 3,

1005
01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:26,300
and then do the square root of that, you'd have the exact,

1006
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:27,520
you'd have a square, right?

1007
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,580
So it's anyways to scale, it has to be designed.

1008
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,800
You have some great questions in terms of phasing,

1009
01:20:35,940 --> 01:20:36,860
what we call phasing,

1010
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,800
because there are a lot of things already on this site.

1011
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,900
So it was difficult for us to try and figure out,

1012
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,080
okay, if we were to build a building in this parking lot,

1013
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:50,980
What could we do? We didn't want to disrupt City Hall, didn't want to disrupt police and fire or public works.

1014
01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:56,700
We looked at all of those different things, and it was very tough to do that on this site.

1015
01:20:57,420 --> 01:21:01,540
Doing a partial building and then adding on over time just drove the cost up.

1016
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:02,360
And so,

1017
01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:06,330
no, yes, the same thing.

1018
01:21:06,570 --> 01:21:14,190
So if you have our pylings in here to get us up to our FEMA, and we're going to do 15 across,

1019
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:21,470
What would be the thing can we put seven more across in four or six months?

1020
01:21:22,090 --> 01:21:26,850
Yeah, the answer is I think we could do that, but it would drive the cost up.

1021
01:21:27,170 --> 01:21:30,950
What a contractor wants to do is come in and build it once and leave.

1022
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:32,530
I mean, time is money to them.

1023
01:21:32,810 --> 01:21:37,110
Every time you bring a trade in and out, in and out, in and out, it just drives the cost up.

1024
01:21:37,410 --> 01:21:41,630
But good questions, because it actually drove a lot of our decisions that whole phase.

1025
01:21:42,670 --> 01:21:43,310
Thank you.

1026
01:21:45,820 --> 01:21:52,600
Okay, we're going to stick around and answer any individual questions that you have.

1027
01:21:52,700 --> 01:21:54,100
We really appreciate you being here.

1028
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:59,280
I think I can speak on behalf of the city that we appreciate you taking the time out to come out.

1029
01:21:59,620 --> 01:22:01,380
And there will be more meetings and follow-up meetings.

1030
01:22:01,620 --> 01:22:02,500
Thank you. Good night.