1 00:00:07,834 --> 00:00:10,934 - Welcome to the regular 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:16,467 city council meeting for Troutdale for Tuesday, 3 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:18,500 April 14th, 2026. 4 00:00:20,233 --> 00:00:23,667 We'll start off with the who, who's first tonight. Deputy 5 00:00:23,667 --> 00:00:24,667 - Councilor Allen. 6 00:00:25,533 --> 00:00:27,533 - Councilor Allen. Would you lead us 7 00:00:27,533 --> 00:00:28,700 in the Pledge of Allegiance? 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,900 - I pledge - Allegiance to the flag 9 00:00:36,033 --> 00:00:37,767 of the United States of America 10 00:00:38,166 --> 00:00:40,166 and to the Republic for which it stands, 11 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:44,667 one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 - Justice. 13 00:00:52,133 --> 00:00:54,667 - Okay, thank you. Sarah, please call roll 14 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:56,066 - Councilor Andrews. 15 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:01,266 Here. Councilor Allen? Here. Councilor one. Present. 16 00:01:01,767 --> 00:01:05,000 Councilor White. Here. Councilor Davidon? Here. 17 00:01:05,033 --> 00:01:06,867 Councilor Lee? Here. Here. 18 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:12,166 - Here. Alright Mike, is there an agenda update? 19 00:01:12,667 --> 00:01:14,333 - I have no update Mayor. Alright, 20 00:01:16,133 --> 00:01:18,133 - We'll move on to public comment. 21 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:23,734 Public comment on non agenda and consent. 22 00:01:23,734 --> 00:01:25,133 Agenda items is welcome. 23 00:01:25,266 --> 00:01:28,700 At this time, public comment on agenda item 24 00:01:29,166 --> 00:01:31,567 will be taken at the time the item is considered. 25 00:01:32,066 --> 00:01:35,000 Public comments should be directed to presiding officer 26 00:01:35,066 --> 00:01:37,133 and limited to matters of community interest 27 00:01:37,767 --> 00:01:39,667 or related to matters which may 28 00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:41,233 or could come before the council. 29 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:44,100 Each speaker shall be limited to five minutes 30 00:01:44,233 --> 00:01:45,467 for each agenda item 31 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:48,100 unless a different amount of time is allowed 32 00:01:48,066 --> 00:01:51,166 by the presiding officer with consent of the council. 33 00:01:52,066 --> 00:01:54,000 The council and mayor should avoid immediate 34 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:57,567 or protracted responses to citizen comments. 35 00:01:58,767 --> 00:02:02,900 So at this time I will invite anyone participating 36 00:02:03,500 --> 00:02:08,100 via Zoom to address the council during public comment. 37 00:02:08,700 --> 00:02:09,700 Anyone? 38 00:02:11,734 --> 00:02:13,367 - Mayor Paul Wilcox Trial tale? 39 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:15,033 - Yes, Paul, go right ahead. 40 00:02:16,300 --> 00:02:19,700 - Thanks. Dave wasn't planned to have a public comment 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,767 but I was looking at the 42 00:02:22,834 --> 00:02:27,467 updates on the Glendo parking exemption rules just 43 00:02:27,467 --> 00:02:30,033 before the meeting and I noticed that it is 44 00:02:30,533 --> 00:02:32,934 per resident two plate numbers per resident. 45 00:02:33,533 --> 00:02:35,000 I'm wondering if that was the intent. 46 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:38,066 So you had a four person household that could 47 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,700 register eight different tag numbers. 48 00:02:41,734 --> 00:02:43,300 So I was just curious about, you know, 49 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:44,433 if that was correct or not. 50 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:48,066 I would expect it to be two, two plates per household. 51 00:02:51,734 --> 00:02:52,867 - Alright, thank you. 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,066 I mean I frankly I think it's two spots per resident 53 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:04,100 that that was my intent anyway, but I don't know for sure. 54 00:03:07,033 --> 00:03:10,367 Alright, how about anyone else on Zoom wish 55 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:11,734 to address the company? 56 00:03:13,133 --> 00:03:16,100 How about in the room? This is time for public comment. 57 00:03:16,333 --> 00:03:18,734 Yes, I will please come forward. 58 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:35,367 - Hello? Goodnight. My name is Sal Pompeo 59 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:37,767 and I'm the owner of Restaurant Pompeo. 60 00:03:38,567 --> 00:03:42,934 And I come, I come here to ask a question in the 61 00:03:44,634 --> 00:03:47,133 2 57 when you passed 62 00:03:49,834 --> 00:03:53,867 Cherry Park, it's the light, they create a sidewalk 63 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:58,767 in the, in the center of the, the, you know, the, 64 00:03:59,567 --> 00:04:02,367 the center line they create over their 65 00:04:03,433 --> 00:04:05,367 sidewalk two weeks ago. 66 00:04:05,533 --> 00:04:09,667 A big crash over there because they don't put any signs 67 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:14,900 when you driving that way that sidewalk they, you don't saw 68 00:04:15,100 --> 00:04:19,300 because it's that way that car jump 69 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 in the sidewalk and crash like this 70 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:25,100 because they create a in the center in the sidewalk 71 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,533 in the center, in the center, in the line of the center. 72 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:33,934 They create a sidewalk, maybe four Crosswalk 73 00:04:35,133 --> 00:04:38,233 and you know that crosswalk is between two curbs 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,667 and it's very dangerous curbs. 75 00:04:41,934 --> 00:04:45,000 And I request to the engineer, 76 00:04:45,734 --> 00:04:48,900 while they don't put any signs before the accident, 77 00:04:49,867 --> 00:04:51,667 after the accident, they already put 78 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,333 signs, they put a big signs. 79 00:04:54,767 --> 00:04:56,166 But why did they put the signs before? 80 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,734 And if county make that mistake, if you go to pay 81 00:05:01,033 --> 00:05:02,500 for the person, have the accident 82 00:05:03,166 --> 00:05:05,367 because if they forgot to put the signs, 83 00:05:06,066 --> 00:05:09,333 it's a sidewalk in the center of the street I think. 84 00:05:09,333 --> 00:05:11,066 So they need to put like everywhere, 85 00:05:11,367 --> 00:05:15,100 you know they put the sticks like this for you can don't go. 86 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:20,100 So I request to you guys call man county 87 00:05:20,634 --> 00:05:23,166 and bring the engineer to explain us 88 00:05:24,233 --> 00:05:27,467 why they not put the signs before the accident. 89 00:05:28,767 --> 00:05:31,233 Why after the accident they put the signs 90 00:05:31,867 --> 00:05:36,500 and if they go to pay for the car accident, 91 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,734 you know, because if they forgot to do something, 92 00:05:40,133 --> 00:05:42,000 I think someone normal continue they needs to pay 93 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:44,133 for the crash anyway. 94 00:05:44,734 --> 00:05:46,333 That is my my suggestion. 95 00:05:46,634 --> 00:05:49,900 Can I respond And as the engineer, can I 96 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:50,900 - Respond to that real quick? 97 00:05:51,066 --> 00:05:54,100 Yes. Hold on. Sul. Yes, yes. 98 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:57,367 John's on our on, excuse me, has some insight. 99 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:02,300 - There were posts were posts. No, before the accident, 100 00:06:02,834 --> 00:06:04,867 - Before the post I - I took 'em all out. 101 00:06:05,634 --> 00:06:09,100 Sorry about that. Yeah, if you went by right 102 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:12,367 after the accident, all the posts were laid out flat, 103 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:13,867 he took 'em all out. 104 00:06:14,233 --> 00:06:17,100 Little sports car convertible anyway 105 00:06:17,166 --> 00:06:18,734 and then that's why the orange 106 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:20,467 temporary cones are there now. 107 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:21,700 But there were 108 00:06:22,634 --> 00:06:26,033 - Before - There were popes metal popes with signs on them. 109 00:06:26,834 --> 00:06:28,233 - Oh and 110 00:06:29,567 --> 00:06:32,934 and my my my second question is why they do that design? 111 00:06:33,166 --> 00:06:36,033 Because when you put something in the center of the line, 112 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:38,133 they need to put something for careful. 113 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:40,634 They do all all over. 114 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:45,266 And I that why the reason I was to the engineer explain 115 00:06:46,133 --> 00:06:47,266 why they do that design. 116 00:06:48,133 --> 00:06:51,834 If they already know all the cast jump on that 117 00:06:54,033 --> 00:06:56,033 A good, I don't know, maybe it's a good question. 118 00:06:56,033 --> 00:06:57,467 Bring the engineer and explain us 119 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:00,634 because they bring them very soon the 120 00:07:00,834 --> 00:07:02,266 accident something wrong. 121 00:07:02,934 --> 00:07:05,867 I don't know this my Alright, 122 00:07:05,867 --> 00:07:06,867 - Thank you. 123 00:07:06,867 --> 00:07:10,533 Thank you. I mean we as a county road, our 124 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:14,700 public works people do meet with the county once in a while 125 00:07:15,867 --> 00:07:16,867 you could ask, but 126 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,634 - If you go just past there you'll see skid marks going 127 00:07:20,266 --> 00:07:25,233 towards the wood fence and hitting that telephone box. 128 00:07:25,467 --> 00:07:29,066 - Right. I have a feeling somebody was going Yeah. Fast. 129 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:34,367 But anyway. Alright, well anyone else in the room wish 130 00:07:34,433 --> 00:07:38,133 to address the council during this time of public comment? 131 00:07:40,300 --> 00:07:42,533 Alright, close public comment 132 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:45,467 and move on to the consent agenda. Do 133 00:07:45,467 --> 00:07:46,467 - You wanna read this now? 134 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:50,834 - Quite yet, but Oh, oh, I'm sorry. That's right. 135 00:07:50,834 --> 00:07:55,066 That is, we have a written public comment. Forgive me. 136 00:07:55,367 --> 00:08:00,100 Thank you Jeffrey Ge councilor one has agreed to read 137 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,333 Frank Stevens comments. 138 00:08:03,367 --> 00:08:07,867 It's, it's more public comment so please go ahead. Okay. 139 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:12,467 - Public comment from Frank Stevens of Dale Oregon 140 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,367 or urgent request for assessment 141 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:17,500 and action To safeguard community trail pop chalk trail, 142 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,934 consider updating local standards slash ordinances, 143 00:08:20,934 --> 00:08:22,734 future enforcement and oversight options 144 00:08:23,133 --> 00:08:25,000 and engineering of shared path areas 145 00:08:25,133 --> 00:08:27,367 to include surrounding green space locations 146 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,133 for increased public safety in the city of Troutdale 147 00:08:30,266 --> 00:08:32,000 to the esteemed members of the city council 148 00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:35,000 and city staff, I'm writing as a concerned resident 149 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,333 as a member of a frequent group of trail users. 150 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:40,567 Friends of the choc chalk trail to formally notify the city 151 00:08:40,567 --> 00:08:42,066 of a pressing safety 152 00:08:42,133 --> 00:08:45,467 and public welfare issue, a structure resembling a cabin 153 00:08:45,934 --> 00:08:48,100 and currently occupied as well 154 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:51,033 as other adjoining campsites in the immediate area have 155 00:08:51,033 --> 00:08:54,467 appeared in the past year with within our communities green 156 00:08:54,467 --> 00:08:56,233 space adjoining the popular trail 157 00:08:56,634 --> 00:08:57,700 frequented by family and children. 158 00:08:58,467 --> 00:09:00,100 A particular concern is a credible 159 00:09:01,033 --> 00:09:03,033 evidence suggesting the presence, the presence 160 00:09:03,033 --> 00:09:05,100 of weapons within or around this cabin. 161 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:08,500 This development has elicited considerable concern 162 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:11,033 among trail users, many of whom depend on the trail 163 00:09:11,066 --> 00:09:14,000 for recreation, exercise and safe passage. 164 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:17,367 The existent the existence of weapons in proximity 165 00:09:17,467 --> 00:09:20,000 to a public space intended for communal enjoyment, 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 especially by minors, raises significant safety concerns 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 that demand immediate 168 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,066 and careful attention considering the standards 169 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:30,033 and response timelines currently employed by both the Port 170 00:09:30,033 --> 00:09:32,467 of Portland and Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is 171 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:35,066 important to recognize a potential shortcoming in the 172 00:09:35,066 --> 00:09:37,133 prevailing approach to homeless 173 00:09:37,767 --> 00:09:40,033 homelessness encampments in our green space. 174 00:09:41,033 --> 00:09:44,066 Frequently these agencies use utilize an out of sight out 175 00:09:44,066 --> 00:09:47,033 of mind methodology, which tends to prioritize removal 176 00:09:47,133 --> 00:09:49,867 or relocation with without fully addressing 177 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:51,066 deeper safety issues. 178 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:55,000 This practice may unintentionally neglect crucial concerns 179 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,066 related to public safety 180 00:09:56,133 --> 00:09:59,567 and the welfare of both the unhoused populations residing in 181 00:09:59,567 --> 00:10:01,233 these areas and the broader community 182 00:10:01,533 --> 00:10:03,133 that utilizes the chocho trail. 183 00:10:04,066 --> 00:10:06,100 Such oversight can lead to unresolved risks, 184 00:10:06,467 --> 00:10:10,100 particularly when encampments appear near family friendly 185 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:13,233 spaces and there are no credible reports of weapons present 186 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:18,033 And there are incredible reports of weapons present. 187 00:10:18,033 --> 00:10:20,100 Thank you. By highlighting this, we seek 188 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:22,133 to encourage more comp, comprehensive 189 00:10:22,467 --> 00:10:23,767 and proactive interventions 190 00:10:23,767 --> 00:10:26,033 that better safeguard all community members 191 00:10:26,634 --> 00:10:28,834 and ensure the green space remains welcoming 192 00:10:28,834 --> 00:10:30,266 and secure for its intended purpose. 193 00:10:31,166 --> 00:10:32,233 While relocation 194 00:10:32,467 --> 00:10:34,834 and containment strategies are sometimes used 195 00:10:34,867 --> 00:10:38,066 to minimize visibility rather than resolve underlying 196 00:10:38,066 --> 00:10:40,133 issues, we urge the city to ensure 197 00:10:40,166 --> 00:10:42,100 that any response prioritizes safety, 198 00:10:42,333 --> 00:10:45,266 compassionate engagement, and sustainable solutions. 199 00:10:46,133 --> 00:10:49,634 The community values this area as an essential resource 200 00:10:49,667 --> 00:10:51,300 for healthy living, social connection 201 00:10:51,367 --> 00:10:52,567 and the enjoyment of nature. 202 00:10:53,767 --> 00:10:56,934 Accordingly, I respect respectfully request 203 00:10:56,934 --> 00:10:58,867 that the CH dale conduct a prompt 204 00:10:59,066 --> 00:11:00,867 and thorough investigation into this matter. 205 00:11:01,667 --> 00:11:03,834 We urge all that urge 206 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:06,533 that all appropriate measures be taken, removal 207 00:11:06,567 --> 00:11:08,567 of structures, housing slash services 208 00:11:09,033 --> 00:11:12,300 provided for individuals in accordance with best practices 209 00:11:12,367 --> 00:11:14,233 and local public safety standards 210 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,033 to ensure the ongoing safety of residents 211 00:11:17,133 --> 00:11:19,467 and to preserve the welcoming, peaceful nature 212 00:11:19,467 --> 00:11:20,500 of the green space and trail. 213 00:11:21,166 --> 00:11:23,233 We appreciate your timely attention to this matter 214 00:11:23,333 --> 00:11:25,367 and look forward to your response regarding the steps 215 00:11:25,367 --> 00:11:27,567 that will be taken to address these concerns. 216 00:11:27,567 --> 00:11:29,033 Respectfully, Frank Stevens, 217 00:11:31,066 --> 00:11:35,333 - Thank you, I appreciate that and thank you Frank. 218 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:40,567 Is there anyone else who wi wishes to address this 219 00:11:40,567 --> 00:11:41,767 during public comment? 220 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:46,467 If not, we'll move on to the consent agenda. 221 00:11:47,567 --> 00:11:49,066 Councilor Allen. Okay, 222 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:52,066 - I knew that the consent agenda 3.1 minutes. 223 00:11:53,133 --> 00:11:56,000 - February 24th, 2026. 224 00:11:56,033 --> 00:12:00,066 City Council Wer meeting in March 10th, 2026. 225 00:12:00,066 --> 00:12:02,367 City Council regular meeting. Second. 226 00:12:04,033 --> 00:12:06,700 - Alright Sarah, would you call a role? 227 00:12:07,133 --> 00:12:10,734 - Yes. Councilor Allen? Yes. Councilor? Yes. 228 00:12:12,266 --> 00:12:16,100 Yes. Councilor White? Yes sir. Councillor Davidson? Yes. 229 00:12:16,533 --> 00:12:20,100 Councilor Lemi? Yes. Councilor Andrews? Yes. 230 00:12:23,066 --> 00:12:24,066 - Alright, thank you. 231 00:12:25,367 --> 00:12:29,066 We'll move on to agenda item number four, proclamations. 232 00:12:29,367 --> 00:12:34,333 I'm pleased and proud to make two proclamations beginning 233 00:12:34,533 --> 00:12:39,300 with 4.1, which is the Arbor Day 234 00:12:40,066 --> 00:12:44,467 proclamation, Whereas 235 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:49,000 in 1872 J Sterling Morton proposed 236 00:12:49,367 --> 00:12:52,567 to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture that a special day 237 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:55,500 be set aside for the planting of trees. 238 00:12:56,900 --> 00:13:01,333 And whereas this holiday called Arbor Day was first observed 239 00:13:01,433 --> 00:13:04,700 with the planting of more than a million trees in Nebraska. 240 00:13:06,266 --> 00:13:10,033 And whereas Arbor Day is now observed throughout the 241 00:13:10,033 --> 00:13:11,033 nation and the world. 242 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:15,700 And whereas trees can reduce the erosion 243 00:13:16,166 --> 00:13:20,066 of our precious topsoil by wind and water cut heating 244 00:13:20,066 --> 00:13:24,467 and cooling costs moderate the temperature, clean the air, 245 00:13:24,667 --> 00:13:26,734 produce life, giving oxygen, 246 00:13:26,934 --> 00:13:29,033 and provide habitat for wildlife. 247 00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:34,000 And whereas trees are a renewable resource giving us paper 248 00:13:34,834 --> 00:13:37,500 wood for our homes, fuel for our fires, 249 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,700 and countless other wood products. 250 00:13:40,834 --> 00:13:44,734 And whereas trees in our city, increased property values 251 00:13:45,333 --> 00:13:49,467 enhance the economic viability of business areas, vitality 252 00:13:49,567 --> 00:13:53,266 of business areas, and beautify our community. 253 00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:57,834 And whereas trees, wherever they are planted are a source 254 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,100 of joy and spiritual renewal. 255 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,533 Now therefore, I David Riman, mayor of the city 256 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:07,233 of Troutdale, who hereby proclaim 257 00:14:07,667 --> 00:14:10,133 April 24th, 2026 258 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:13,066 as Arbor Day in the city of Troutdale. 259 00:14:13,834 --> 00:14:17,100 And I urge all citizens to celebrate Arbor Day 260 00:14:17,367 --> 00:14:21,367 and to support efforts to protect our trees and woodlands. 261 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:25,934 And further, I urge all citizens to plant trees 262 00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:29,100 to gladen the heart and promote the wellbeing of this 263 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:33,066 and future generations dated this 14th day 264 00:14:33,066 --> 00:14:34,834 of April, 2026. 265 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:41,300 Alright, Next I have a proclamation 266 00:14:41,367 --> 00:14:44,767 of Vietnamese American Remembrance day. 267 00:14:47,133 --> 00:14:52,000 Whereas Vietnamese refugees have proudly resided in the 268 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,033 state of Oregon since the conclusion 269 00:14:54,033 --> 00:14:57,867 of the Vietnam War on April 30th, 1975. 270 00:14:59,266 --> 00:15:03,033 And whereas Vietnamese Americans have put forth their full 271 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:07,533 toiling energy building the state of Oregon in a multitude 272 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:12,100 of prominent areas, including industry, economy, culture, 273 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:15,000 education, and military service. 274 00:15:16,467 --> 00:15:21,033 And whereas the Vietnamese Americans have counted on the 275 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:24,533 state of Oregon as being their second heart, mind 276 00:15:24,734 --> 00:15:26,233 and family homeland. 277 00:15:27,834 --> 00:15:32,266 And whereas every year Vietnamese Americans celebrate 278 00:15:32,834 --> 00:15:36,867 remembrance day on April 30th to solemnly honor 279 00:15:37,367 --> 00:15:40,266 the 58,000 American servicemen 280 00:15:40,266 --> 00:15:42,900 and service women in 281 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:46,433 that 810 soldiers from the state of Oregon 282 00:15:47,333 --> 00:15:51,233 and more than 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers 283 00:15:51,834 --> 00:15:56,233 who sacrificed their lives in the line of duty for freedom 284 00:15:56,300 --> 00:16:01,033 and democracy in South Vietnam from November, 1955 285 00:16:01,033 --> 00:16:03,000 to April, 1975. 286 00:16:04,667 --> 00:16:08,467 Now therefore, I, David Rimma, mayor of the city 287 00:16:08,467 --> 00:16:13,000 of Troutdale, hereby proclaim April 30th to be Vietnamese 288 00:16:13,767 --> 00:16:16,266 American Remembrance Day in Troutdale 289 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:20,867 and encourage all Trout Damians to join in this observance 290 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:25,367 dated this 14th day of April, 2026. 291 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:36,033 Alright, we'll move on then to 292 00:16:37,700 --> 00:16:42,033 agenda item number five, the second reading of 293 00:16:44,266 --> 00:16:46,100 what's it called, the fog orates. 294 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 So 295 00:16:56,433 --> 00:16:59,133 - Good - Evening mayor and city council members. 296 00:16:59,300 --> 00:17:02,066 My name is Ryan ura, environmental specialist here 297 00:17:02,133 --> 00:17:03,867 with the city of Dale. 298 00:17:04,734 --> 00:17:06,767 I'll you a chance to 299 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:08,834 - Get - The slides up and running. 300 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:28,867 I also take this moment to announce that 301 00:17:29,333 --> 00:17:32,000 colleague Erica Armstrong is also online. 302 00:17:32,033 --> 00:17:35,133 She's the chief operator at the wastewater treatment plant 303 00:17:35,634 --> 00:17:38,867 and I have Travis Holton, the public works director here 304 00:17:38,867 --> 00:17:41,900 as well in case there are questions for either one of them. 305 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:47,567 Yes, this is an ordinance revising the chapter 12.07 306 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:49,100 of the Troutdale municipal code. 307 00:17:49,867 --> 00:17:53,734 It's the second reading tonight. Alright Sarah, I'm ready. 308 00:17:54,133 --> 00:17:56,500 Thank you. So again, we'll kind 309 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:59,734 of quickly go over why the need for the code update. 310 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:02,033 What is the goal, what are some updates 311 00:18:02,033 --> 00:18:03,100 from the last meeting we've had? 312 00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:05,634 And any questions? Alright Sarah, thank you. 313 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,100 So why the update again? 314 00:18:08,634 --> 00:18:11,066 Well for the public owned treatment works, 315 00:18:11,467 --> 00:18:14,066 which is encompasses the collection system, 316 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:18,066 the treatment plant and all that, there's odor issues 317 00:18:18,066 --> 00:18:20,367 that have been experienced at the TRA treatment plant. 318 00:18:20,667 --> 00:18:22,033 There's been overflows 319 00:18:22,033 --> 00:18:26,066 of the basin wall at the treatment plant reduce, reduce 320 00:18:26,934 --> 00:18:29,066 reductions in sludge settling, especially 321 00:18:29,066 --> 00:18:30,066 during warmer months. 322 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:33,634 Sanitary sewer O overflows related to fog, 323 00:18:33,867 --> 00:18:35,300 increased maintenance costs 324 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:40,033 and we got some estimates of about 200 to $325 per hour 325 00:18:40,166 --> 00:18:44,133 and that includes staff and the VAC labor costs 326 00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:48,300 and we have to be called out to go clean pipes and whatnot. 327 00:18:49,433 --> 00:18:52,367 You know, for the fog buildup in our collection system, 328 00:18:53,233 --> 00:18:56,767 there's a risk of NPDS permit discharge violations 329 00:18:57,133 --> 00:18:59,533 and there's risk of POTW interference 330 00:18:59,567 --> 00:19:03,033 and pass through, which is a pretreatment violations 331 00:19:03,867 --> 00:19:05,467 for food service establishments. 332 00:19:05,467 --> 00:19:08,266 This would require documentation of pump outs 333 00:19:08,634 --> 00:19:11,233 and provide clear standards for the businesses. 334 00:19:13,333 --> 00:19:16,734 This was an example I I showed earlier from earlier this 335 00:19:16,734 --> 00:19:19,367 year at the treatment plant, an aeration basin 336 00:19:19,834 --> 00:19:23,300 of the nocardia fog, no cardio bacteria 337 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,467 creating a lot of this blanket 338 00:19:28,133 --> 00:19:32,066 of fog slide please. 339 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:35,233 Yep. And here's some fog buildup in the collection system 340 00:19:35,867 --> 00:19:39,900 along, as you can see the yellow grease buildup on the sides 341 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,533 that we have to go in and clean out periodically. 342 00:19:43,567 --> 00:19:46,934 And then what is the goal? So eliminate the fog related 343 00:19:46,934 --> 00:19:48,233 issues we're experiencing in the 344 00:19:48,233 --> 00:19:49,433 collection and treatment systems. 345 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,734 Provide clear direction to food service establishments 346 00:19:52,734 --> 00:19:53,767 to achieve compliance, 347 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:55,233 but also really to validate 348 00:19:55,233 --> 00:19:59,634 what they're likely already doing with their, you know, 349 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:03,033 grease removal devices at their restaurants. 350 00:20:05,266 --> 00:20:07,867 So a few updates that we've had since our first reading. 351 00:20:08,033 --> 00:20:09,100 We did send out letters 352 00:20:09,133 --> 00:20:11,700 to all the food service establishments. 353 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:13,867 We've removed some 354 00:20:13,867 --> 00:20:16,433 of the food grinder prohibition language from the code. 355 00:20:16,867 --> 00:20:19,033 We changed minimum service frequency 356 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,533 to extend it a little bit from 30 to 45 days 357 00:20:22,634 --> 00:20:26,300 for smaller units and 90 to 120 days for the interceptors. 358 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,700 We changed some variance language 359 00:20:29,066 --> 00:20:32,000 so there's no longer a professional study needed to be paid 360 00:20:32,033 --> 00:20:33,300 for by any restaurants. 361 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:36,500 They would just rely strictly on the pump out manifests, 362 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:39,367 which they're already probably receiving from their pumper 363 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:42,667 when they come out and service these grease traps. 364 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:45,133 And then there's an educational component as well 365 00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:48,100 that's built in partly into our software that we're using. 366 00:20:48,033 --> 00:20:51,634 But we may also have a component that we would do on site 367 00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:53,033 with the restaurants and their staff. 368 00:20:53,367 --> 00:20:56,333 So, okay. Sarah, next slide. 369 00:20:56,433 --> 00:20:59,000 So that, that, that was my updates for you 370 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:00,867 and I if you had any questions. 371 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:06,433 - Alright, thank you. Questions from the council? 372 00:21:10,767 --> 00:21:13,433 I, yes, Glen Sure. Yeah. Thanks Ryan. 373 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:16,467 Yeah, I appreciate you contacting the restaurants. 374 00:21:16,634 --> 00:21:18,934 I think it's only fair to do that. Sure. 375 00:21:20,033 --> 00:21:23,133 I missed the part on the, in the new report on the, 376 00:21:23,467 --> 00:21:26,100 you talking about food garbage disposals, 377 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:28,033 they're allowed, what's going on with that? Yeah, 378 00:21:28,066 --> 00:21:29,734 - So we, I removed that language 379 00:21:29,734 --> 00:21:32,500 because looking at the Fog Oregon, the fog, 380 00:21:32,533 --> 00:21:35,734 the Oregon Plumbing standard, they, they did have language 381 00:21:35,734 --> 00:21:39,533 that, you know, allowed food grinders or food disposals and 382 00:21:39,667 --> 00:21:42,734 and restaurants and I didn't know if that was gonna really 383 00:21:43,233 --> 00:21:45,734 solve the problem to require restaurants 384 00:21:45,734 --> 00:21:47,767 that had already installed it, you know, the cost 385 00:21:47,767 --> 00:21:49,033 of removing them and, 386 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:51,300 and maybe even making any other changes 387 00:21:51,367 --> 00:21:52,433 that they needed to do. 388 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,700 I just felt like maybe that was an undue burden, 389 00:21:55,934 --> 00:21:56,934 cost burden for them. 390 00:21:56,934 --> 00:22:00,066 And I'd rather see that money put towards pump outs clearly 391 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:03,066 than in that removal of an existing device. 392 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,233 - So there, if you have one you can keep it, 393 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:10,300 but if your a new establishment you can't put one in. 394 00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:13,367 - I I didn't, I didn't require that either. Yep. 395 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,667 Since the Oregon plumbing code already allows it 396 00:22:16,867 --> 00:22:20,000 and it has it in there, I didn't want kind 397 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,634 of make a conflict of the two codes 398 00:22:22,834 --> 00:22:25,033 and I just figured we'll just leave, leave it be 399 00:22:25,033 --> 00:22:26,500 as is with the plumbing code. 400 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:32,900 - And then how often does the c is the city required 401 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,867 to jet blast those lines like in the main sewer? 402 00:22:37,133 --> 00:22:39,266 - You know, that that, that's one I'm gonna have 403 00:22:39,266 --> 00:22:41,000 to ask Erica if she can weigh in on, 404 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,033 because I can't remember how often that is. 405 00:22:43,567 --> 00:22:44,567 Honestly, 406 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:46,367 - It's not a requirement. 407 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:51,467 It's more a maintenance that we just do 408 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,567 to make sure that our pipes are running smoothly 409 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,533 every year we clean a couple basins of our sewer, 410 00:22:59,166 --> 00:23:00,266 of our sewer system 411 00:23:01,133 --> 00:23:04,066 and we usually hit those greasy spots 412 00:23:05,567 --> 00:23:08,300 at least twice, sometimes up 413 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,934 to four times a year depending on how bad those lines are. 414 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,033 It's not required though. 415 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:17,033 We just do it to help maintain flow. 416 00:23:23,033 --> 00:23:24,133 - I have one - Other one. 417 00:23:26,367 --> 00:23:28,734 - Oh yeah, I had asked the question of, 418 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:32,233 with the random inspection program, how, 419 00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:34,033 how many violations did you see? 420 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:35,133 Did you ever figure that out? 421 00:23:35,867 --> 00:23:40,033 - No, I did not. And I did not. I did not. No I did not. 422 00:23:41,734 --> 00:23:43,900 Sorry, sorry. Councilor White, 423 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,100 - Let someone else go. 424 00:23:47,934 --> 00:23:49,567 Anyone else with questions? 425 00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:57,533 Well, did you think of anything else? 426 00:23:57,867 --> 00:24:01,533 I do have one concern that, you know, 427 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:04,634 by having the company that's doing the work, 428 00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:09,066 pumping up the grease traps being the one, 429 00:24:09,066 --> 00:24:11,634 they're basically the ones that can help with the variance. 430 00:24:12,467 --> 00:24:15,500 It seems like kind of a conflict of interest for them to 431 00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:18,033 say, oh yeah, this customer only needs it once a year 432 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:19,367 instead of three times a year. 433 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:24,367 I just had a little concern about that. Well 434 00:24:24,634 --> 00:24:28,000 - Really it would be required still every 40 day, 435 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,934 45 day days if you have a hydro mechanical grease 436 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,100 interceptor or a trap grease trap 437 00:24:34,433 --> 00:24:37,133 and 120 days for the interceptor. 438 00:24:37,133 --> 00:24:39,367 So we, we put some firm standards in there that, 439 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,300 that would be the minimum frequency of pump outs. 440 00:24:43,066 --> 00:24:46,233 And then there's in the variance, let's say a manufacturer, 441 00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:49,767 as I've been told, they may have a very high efficiency 442 00:24:49,767 --> 00:24:52,100 grease interceptor that says okay 443 00:24:52,233 --> 00:24:54,934 and 25% is also the standard, I'm sorry, 444 00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:59,066 that we have established as, you know, the pump out rule. 445 00:24:59,667 --> 00:25:02,367 And so let's say if, if a variance says, 446 00:25:02,867 --> 00:25:05,233 well if this grease trap that was installed, 447 00:25:05,233 --> 00:25:07,233 that's a very high efficiency grease trap, 448 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:11,100 says 75% is the rule, not necessarily 25%. 449 00:25:11,133 --> 00:25:12,533 Well then we would ask that the, 450 00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:15,500 the restaurant would provide us that documentation and 451 00:25:15,567 --> 00:25:18,066 and say well this is what's been installed instead. 452 00:25:18,567 --> 00:25:20,000 So it's not really the pumper 453 00:25:20,133 --> 00:25:22,834 that's gonna be telling the restaurants, oh you don't have 454 00:25:22,834 --> 00:25:26,333 to pump it out quite as much anymore or, or how 455 00:25:26,333 --> 00:25:28,066 however often they think it is, 456 00:25:28,133 --> 00:25:30,300 it's gonna be based on our own standards. 457 00:25:31,100 --> 00:25:32,700 - Okay. That's great. 458 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,100 And then I guess my final question, is it, I read that 459 00:25:37,867 --> 00:25:41,133 restaurants can't skim grease off off the surface, 460 00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:42,767 but are they still allowed 461 00:25:43,467 --> 00:25:46,634 to clean their own grease trap without calling somebody in? 462 00:25:46,934 --> 00:25:48,066 - If, if they're able to, 463 00:25:48,133 --> 00:25:50,834 to fully evacuate the whole interceptor and, 464 00:25:50,867 --> 00:25:53,934 and take all that gr grease and and liquids and all that 465 00:25:53,934 --> 00:25:56,567 and dispose of it properly as somewhere else where, 466 00:25:56,667 --> 00:25:59,000 you know, they accept that material, that's fine. 467 00:25:59,033 --> 00:26:01,467 It's, it's not probably gonna be easy to do 468 00:26:01,467 --> 00:26:03,333 that if it's especially a large, you know, 469 00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:05,000 a thousand gallon interceptor. 470 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:10,033 But that we we're not saying you can't Yeah. In the code. 471 00:26:10,867 --> 00:26:13,033 - So if there, if there are a thousand gallons, 472 00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:16,000 they're only allowed to be 25% full. 473 00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:18,734 - 'cause that's typically the performance standard 474 00:26:18,934 --> 00:26:21,133 for interceptors for them. The best 475 00:26:21,767 --> 00:26:22,767 - Septic tanks aren't that way. 476 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,367 Yeah. Do you see this going anywhere for, I know you, 477 00:26:27,667 --> 00:26:30,300 you can only target commercial operations. 478 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:35,767 Do you, do you see this being a new building requirement 479 00:26:35,834 --> 00:26:38,100 or anything down the road for new construction for homes? 480 00:26:39,066 --> 00:26:41,467 - Yeah, I would not be the one to be in installing 481 00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,700 or re requiring any of that. 482 00:26:43,734 --> 00:26:47,700 That would be far outside of my jurisdictional purview 483 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:48,734 of the pretreatment program. 484 00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:50,867 Yeah. So thanks Brian. 485 00:26:51,033 --> 00:26:52,233 - You welcome. Good effort. 486 00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,567 Alright, if there's no other questions from the council, 487 00:26:57,834 --> 00:27:01,000 we did have, this is an ordinance 488 00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:05,000 and we are going to be considering adoption tonight, 489 00:27:05,033 --> 00:27:08,567 but I would open it 490 00:27:08,567 --> 00:27:12,233 to public comment if any before we act. 491 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,567 So let's start with people participating on Zoom. 492 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,834 Anyone wish to address the council on this matter? 493 00:27:22,867 --> 00:27:27,867 Seeing none. How about anyone in the room wish 494 00:27:27,934 --> 00:27:29,934 to address the council, Saul? 495 00:27:30,133 --> 00:27:31,900 Yes, you are welcome to 496 00:27:36,567 --> 00:27:40,000 - Now we Vietnamese community of Oregon. 497 00:27:40,767 --> 00:27:45,133 We have the certificate of appreciation to you 498 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:48,266 and the, the thing with counselors. 499 00:27:48,767 --> 00:27:51,233 Yeah. First of all, my name is Tu. 500 00:27:51,433 --> 00:27:53,433 I am the president of the Vietnamese community 501 00:27:53,433 --> 00:27:55,500 of Oregon on behalf of my board. 502 00:27:55,867 --> 00:28:00,133 Thank you so much for the programation in 503 00:28:00,634 --> 00:28:04,133 recognizing the Vietnamese American day. 504 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,834 Your ation reach beyond the story. 505 00:28:08,233 --> 00:28:12,567 The document is honor our people who 506 00:28:13,834 --> 00:28:16,934 carry abundant of 507 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 being freedom in another country 508 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:25,133 and they move across the ocean and resettle in the US 509 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:29,000 and also especially honor the US 510 00:28:29,567 --> 00:28:33,367 and South Vietnamese soldiers who risk their life for 511 00:28:34,133 --> 00:28:38,467 freedom and democracy in South Vietnam from 1955 512 00:28:38,533 --> 00:28:42,367 to 1975 from the bottom of our heart. 513 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:45,567 One more time. Thank you so much for the problem, Mason. 514 00:28:46,066 --> 00:28:49,567 And this is the thank you senator. 515 00:28:50,133 --> 00:28:52,066 - Well thank you so much. Thank you. And 516 00:28:52,133 --> 00:28:53,133 - Counselors list. 517 00:28:54,033 --> 00:28:57,033 - Thank you. Did you want me to stand up 518 00:28:57,033 --> 00:28:58,500 and take a picture or something? 519 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,500 Yeah, please. Everyone on the council knows this isn't 520 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:03,934 exactly the right order, but let's just do it. 521 00:29:07,734 --> 00:29:11,433 So I'll I'll come around Sarah if you want to take it or, 522 00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:19,233 and we, you come up and you can hand it to me 523 00:29:19,333 --> 00:29:22,867 or something and we will have somebody who take a picture. 524 00:29:23,033 --> 00:29:25,934 Yeah, you can hand it to me. 525 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:29,233 Oh, this is, oh this is the proclamation. Very good. 526 00:29:29,533 --> 00:29:34,100 - Yeah. So - We can swap. Yes. Alright, excellent. 527 00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:36,433 Here we go. Thank you so much. Well thank you. 528 00:29:36,867 --> 00:29:38,033 Thank you very much. 529 00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:42,700 And we are, we are pleased and honored to have you here. 530 00:29:43,033 --> 00:29:46,533 Yeah. And you are all welcome here in Oregon. 531 00:29:47,066 --> 00:29:50,300 We revere the Vietnamese Americans. Thank you. 532 00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:51,567 - Thank you very much. 533 00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,867 - Is there anyone from the Nebraska Board of Agriculture? 534 00:30:12,133 --> 00:30:14,300 Well, they're here. That was their chance. 535 00:30:14,433 --> 00:30:19,100 They their chance. Yeah. They, they lost that. Okay. Anyway. 536 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,867 Thank you. Delighted. 537 00:30:23,433 --> 00:30:24,567 All right, moving right along. 538 00:30:24,667 --> 00:30:28,467 We're we're, I'm inviting public comment. 539 00:30:29,033 --> 00:30:30,367 Saul, perhaps you want to come up, 540 00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:38,033 but thank you again for coming so much. 541 00:30:43,934 --> 00:30:45,300 - Hello, my name is Al Pompeo 542 00:30:45,367 --> 00:30:48,567 and I have couple questions for the program. 543 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,734 One of the questions I don't very clear if we can clean, 544 00:30:54,567 --> 00:30:56,934 I start clean my grease out myself. 545 00:30:58,266 --> 00:31:00,500 - Yep. We, we did not remove any or, 546 00:31:00,667 --> 00:31:03,033 or imp impart any requirement 547 00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:06,100 that says you could not claim it yourself. 548 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,700 We just ask that you're gonna be submitting a manifest 549 00:31:08,867 --> 00:31:10,734 online report to the city so 550 00:31:10,734 --> 00:31:12,734 that we can verify it's been cleaned. 551 00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,100 - That means I can have access to that system to put my 552 00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:18,133 - Yep, yep. 553 00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:21,100 And it's free to use it's no cost to the restaurants to use 554 00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:23,266 that online reporting system. That will, we 555 00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:25,834 - Now have, in my case, we need to clean very often. 556 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,500 You know, I do, I need not, I need 557 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,066 to clean my grease strap every month. 558 00:31:32,667 --> 00:31:34,500 Pay 500 bucks for each time is, 559 00:31:35,367 --> 00:31:39,533 and we can do in 20 minute very small. 560 00:31:39,533 --> 00:31:43,133 And they only have two buckets of really easy. 561 00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:46,467 We do, I we do every three weeks really don't stink my, 562 00:31:46,867 --> 00:31:48,066 our tractors easy. 563 00:31:48,867 --> 00:31:51,300 Okay, thank you. And another question I have is, 564 00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:57,100 can we have access to you, to your sketch, 565 00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:59,500 to cleaning the, the pipe? 566 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,900 Because if we are responsibility for hundred percent, 567 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,533 if something happen, I want to make sure we do maintenance 568 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,066 where you guys have maintenance to, 569 00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:11,100 can we have access to the sketch? 570 00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:13,567 How often do you clean the pipes, 571 00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:15,266 - Erica? 572 00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:18,500 Is that something that we can offer the schedule 573 00:32:20,033 --> 00:32:21,033 - There? 574 00:32:21,033 --> 00:32:23,133 It isn't really, there isn't like a specific 575 00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:24,333 month that we do it. 576 00:32:25,934 --> 00:32:28,033 You know, we try and fit it in, in between 577 00:32:29,867 --> 00:32:34,333 other cyclical parts of us running the whole sewer system. 578 00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:37,333 So there isn't like a hard and fast schedule. 579 00:32:37,634 --> 00:32:39,033 But I'm sure 580 00:32:40,367 --> 00:32:43,333 if we knew it was happening in later in the month, 581 00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:44,834 maybe we could put something up. 582 00:32:46,066 --> 00:32:47,300 - Let me chime in on that. 583 00:32:47,367 --> 00:32:50,767 The, there isn't like a calendar that is laid out 584 00:32:50,767 --> 00:32:52,333 that says this is where we're gonna clean this pipe 585 00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,934 or that pipe looking forward. 586 00:32:54,567 --> 00:32:58,367 As, as Eric talked about, they work it in 587 00:32:58,367 --> 00:33:00,100 with their work plans week to week as to 588 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:01,367 how much they can fit in and do 589 00:33:01,367 --> 00:33:03,033 and work their way through the system. 590 00:33:03,367 --> 00:33:05,333 So while I don't think we could tell, we could offer 591 00:33:05,433 --> 00:33:07,467 to provide a forward looking schedule 592 00:33:07,467 --> 00:33:09,300 of when a particular pipe is going to be cleaned, 593 00:33:09,634 --> 00:33:12,133 certainly our maintenance records are, 594 00:33:12,433 --> 00:33:14,066 are available if someone, you know, 595 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:18,767 for instance if someone were to be charged 596 00:33:18,934 --> 00:33:21,000 for causing a suit to receive overflow 597 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,867 and they felt that they shouldn't be, 598 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:25,367 they could certainly request 599 00:33:25,367 --> 00:33:27,233 to see any maintenance records we had 600 00:33:27,233 --> 00:33:28,367 and make was available. 601 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:32,066 - And then we can request the maintenance request of 602 00:33:32,066 --> 00:33:33,266 - Course the public information. 603 00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:36,467 - Okay. Thank you. That is the question. Thank you. 604 00:33:36,467 --> 00:33:38,000 That's it. Thank you. Very thank you. 605 00:33:39,667 --> 00:33:44,033 Anyone else wish to address this on the 606 00:33:46,367 --> 00:33:48,300 deliberations about this ordinance? 607 00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:53,133 Alright, all the matters before us. 608 00:33:56,133 --> 00:33:58,033 - I did. I thought of one kind of quick 609 00:33:58,300 --> 00:33:59,100 - Question. Yes. Oh, 610 00:33:59,734 --> 00:34:03,066 - On the first read I was a little confused when I asked the 611 00:34:03,266 --> 00:34:07,133 question of if when you guys jet spray the, the sewer 612 00:34:07,467 --> 00:34:10,266 to get the grease off, if 613 00:34:10,266 --> 00:34:12,233 that ends up at the sewer treatment plant. 614 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,634 And I got, I kind 615 00:34:15,634 --> 00:34:18,233 of got a a mixed answer there. 616 00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:20,467 So, so is there any clarification on that 617 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,500 if Travis was shaking his head? 618 00:34:23,166 --> 00:34:25,000 No, it doesn't go down there but Erica 619 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,867 and you said it would, so maybe I misread it 620 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:31,700 - About Erica. 621 00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:33,033 I could that if you want Yeah, go ahead Erica. 622 00:34:33,734 --> 00:34:35,367 So in those super greasy pipes 623 00:34:35,367 --> 00:34:39,066 that we know have grease buildup on a regular basis, 624 00:34:39,066 --> 00:34:40,233 that we go out and clean the, 625 00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:42,100 we call them our troubled areas. 626 00:34:42,667 --> 00:34:44,333 We know these pipes usually have 627 00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:45,533 some sort of buildup on them. 628 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:50,233 We have a basket that we throw in at the downstream end. 629 00:34:50,233 --> 00:34:53,233 So as we're pulling the grease back towards the truck, 630 00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:55,767 pulling it down the pipe, we have a basket 631 00:34:55,834 --> 00:34:58,100 that intercepts most of those big chunks of grease. 632 00:34:58,867 --> 00:35:00,100 You know, obviously we won't be able 633 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,100 to catch every single piece of it but you know, 634 00:35:03,233 --> 00:35:06,867 'cause some of these manholes are like 10, 15 feet deep, we, 635 00:35:07,567 --> 00:35:09,533 we catch what we can and intercept it. 636 00:35:09,567 --> 00:35:11,333 But most of the time when we are cleaning, 637 00:35:12,233 --> 00:35:14,100 yes we're just trying to get it off the walls. 638 00:35:15,734 --> 00:35:17,367 But in those big heavy grease pipes, 639 00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,867 like you saw the pictures of those, we try 640 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:22,033 and capture those chunks of when we can. 641 00:35:25,767 --> 00:35:29,133 - Thank you. - Of course. Anyone else? 642 00:35:30,100 --> 00:35:35,033 Final questions? Alright, 643 00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:38,100 well the matter is before us, it's in ordinance. 644 00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:40,033 We're revising chapter 12.07 645 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,767 of the Troutdale municipal code pertaining 646 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,467 to the sanitary sewer pre-treatment program. 647 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,000 I would entertain a motion, 648 00:35:49,834 --> 00:35:53,066 - I'll make a motion that we adopt an ordinance revising 649 00:35:53,066 --> 00:35:57,500 chapter 12.07 of the Tridel municipal code pertaining 650 00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,233 to the sanitary sewer pre treatment program. 651 00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:06,033 - I'll second. - Alright Sarah, please call roll. 652 00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:09,634 - Okay. Councilor Allen? Yes. Councillor one? Yes. 653 00:36:10,066 --> 00:36:15,066 Mayor rma? Yes. Counselor White? Yes. Councilor Davidson? 654 00:36:15,033 --> 00:36:18,767 Yes. Councilor Lemi? Yes. And Councilor Andrews? 655 00:36:19,634 --> 00:36:23,300 - Yes. - Alright. Thank back. 656 00:36:23,433 --> 00:36:25,300 We'll move on to agenda item number six. 657 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:26,500 Staff communications. 658 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:30,066 - Thank you. Alright, I, I'll try to make it quick. 659 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,100 We have April 18th is the bulk waste drop off. 660 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,033 It's $25. 661 00:36:39,033 --> 00:36:41,133 - Oh that's not true. - Is it not true? Is it? 662 00:36:41,834 --> 00:36:43,100 - It depends on the size of your vehicle. 663 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,100 - Ah, - I took a picture of it. 664 00:36:48,834 --> 00:36:50,533 - Alright. - And I can, 665 00:36:50,567 --> 00:36:51,567 - Well there is a fee. 666 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:56,133 It's not, it's not free so it's less, it's a small fee. 667 00:36:56,433 --> 00:36:57,500 - Looks like a car. 668 00:36:57,567 --> 00:37:01,133 Minivan is $25 a pickup or a box truck is 40 vehicle 669 00:37:01,266 --> 00:37:05,834 and a trailer 65 and tires are 10 to $12 each. 670 00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:10,734 - Okay, thank you. Or - Is it? 671 00:37:11,767 --> 00:37:14,033 - It's at the transfer station here in Troutdale. 672 00:37:14,033 --> 00:37:16,000 - Troutdale. What was the date again? Mike? 673 00:37:16,433 --> 00:37:17,634 - April 18th. Saturday 674 00:37:19,266 --> 00:37:20,266 - This Saturday. 675 00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:25,266 And it goes from, sorry I should have gave you this. 676 00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:28,700 The hours it 677 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,667 - Is - From at eight eight 678 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:36,033 to 12, eight to noon 679 00:37:37,033 --> 00:37:39,233 - And bulk means any old - Thing. 680 00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,567 Accepted items are barbecues, bikes, box springs, carpeting, 681 00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:45,100 dressers, ex exercise equipment, furniture, lawnmowers, 682 00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:48,433 oil remove mattresses, silverware, sinks, tables, tires, 683 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,567 toilets, towels, water heaters, windows not accepted. 684 00:37:51,834 --> 00:37:56,133 So these are not animal waste batteries, car engines, CFC, 685 00:37:56,133 --> 00:37:59,133 appliances, concrete dirt, sod, stumps, e-waste, 686 00:37:59,166 --> 00:38:03,100 fluorescent fixtures, waste household, hazardous materials, 687 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:07,333 liquids, paint, paint, tanks, refrigerators, rocks, rocks, 688 00:38:07,867 --> 00:38:10,500 roofing materials and small AC units are not 689 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:11,567 accept those are not accepted. 690 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,066 - Okay. So excellent. 691 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,934 - Other things that I have coming out, 692 00:38:16,934 --> 00:38:20,433 just giving you a heads up, we had some initial bids for 693 00:38:21,634 --> 00:38:25,066 the Buxton property up on the hill that came in. 694 00:38:25,867 --> 00:38:29,033 Basically the hard costs for construction 1.9 million 695 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,900 with soft costs upward of six 696 00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,734 to $800,000 on top of that. 697 00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:39,066 So that's something for discussion for another day 698 00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:42,266 that we might want to discuss and strategize around. 699 00:38:43,133 --> 00:38:44,867 Just kind of giving you those initial 700 00:38:44,867 --> 00:38:47,467 numbers for fixes on that. 701 00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:52,066 A lot of that is the a DA requirements inside, outside 702 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,133 as well as some asbestos mitigation, electrical, 703 00:38:57,634 --> 00:38:58,867 plumbing and the like. 704 00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:01,834 So not a cheap endeavor 705 00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:04,300 but something that we should probably discuss if 706 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:05,333 we want to do that or not. 707 00:39:07,133 --> 00:39:11,000 - Well and I assume we need to discuss it fairly soon. Yes. 708 00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:16,567 This is the property we bought to be the new city hall. 709 00:39:16,867 --> 00:39:21,033 So we probably, I realize we've got a kind of a busy agenda 710 00:39:21,367 --> 00:39:22,667 for the next month or so, 711 00:39:22,767 --> 00:39:26,100 but we, we need to know what we're gonna do, 712 00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,333 what we're gonna move forward with that. 713 00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:31,567 That's staggering. 714 00:39:32,634 --> 00:39:36,367 Staggeringly more than sounded like before. 715 00:39:36,433 --> 00:39:38,533 Yes, go ahead Jesse. No I didn't have a comment. 716 00:39:38,667 --> 00:39:40,867 I was just, anyway, it's staggering. 717 00:39:41,066 --> 00:39:43,000 It's so staggering that we might need 718 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,900 to reconsider what we were thinking. 719 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:52,066 So, and I don't know if we, ed, this might be 720 00:39:52,066 --> 00:39:56,867 for you if we were to reconsider not keeping 721 00:39:56,867 --> 00:39:59,367 that property, trying to acquire another one 722 00:39:59,367 --> 00:40:02,166 or make use of another one, is that a subject that would 723 00:40:03,033 --> 00:40:05,233 be eligible for an executive 724 00:40:05,233 --> 00:40:08,233 session anyway? 725 00:40:08,233 --> 00:40:10,133 Something to think about, something to look into. 726 00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:12,367 Some parts would and some parts 727 00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:14,367 wouldn't probably not talk more later. 728 00:40:14,767 --> 00:40:16,100 Afraid of. Yeah. Okay. 729 00:40:17,266 --> 00:40:19,767 - Anyway, just kind of going through my checklist right now. 730 00:40:20,934 --> 00:40:22,634 Hood Cable Regulatory Committee, 731 00:40:23,066 --> 00:40:25,033 a commission is being dissolved. 732 00:40:26,133 --> 00:40:30,767 So we're working out in IGA right now between ourselves, 733 00:40:31,567 --> 00:40:34,100 Pono County Wood Village, 734 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:37,900 and Fairview on how to process 735 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:42,767 and distribute the remaining franchise fees for that. 736 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,767 - We'll get some money. - It's a little bit of money. 737 00:40:45,834 --> 00:40:46,767 It's not much. 738 00:40:49,567 --> 00:40:52,700 20,000, 20,000. 739 00:40:53,033 --> 00:40:54,500 It's, it's a good chunk of change. 740 00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:56,233 We can do some good stuff with it. 741 00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:58,133 Well we'll see if we can't bring it home. 742 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,133 On top of that is working out the Community Enhancement 743 00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:06,634 grant program and bringing that back to Troutdale as well. 744 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:10,734 So I'm working out an IGA right now with Metro 745 00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:14,300 and that I anticipate we'll be seeing those two IGAs coming 746 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,667 before this council in May and June. 747 00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:22,300 And then of course the question earlier today was how's the 748 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:23,700 fee schedule progressing? 749 00:41:24,266 --> 00:41:27,100 And so with the fee schedule we have 750 00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:28,867 to notify the Department of Building Codes 751 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,734 and Management Division. 752 00:41:31,100 --> 00:41:33,033 I forget what their exact initials are, 753 00:41:33,734 --> 00:41:36,066 but you should be seeing that coming forward 754 00:41:36,133 --> 00:41:37,333 to you in May as well. 755 00:41:37,834 --> 00:41:41,033 May and June. So hopefully that will be adopted 756 00:41:41,133 --> 00:41:42,533 and in place for July one. 757 00:41:44,433 --> 00:41:46,467 Those are my big updates coming up. 758 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:48,133 We also have Public Works week in May. 759 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,500 Is it the week of the 17th or the 14th? 760 00:41:54,100 --> 00:41:55,367 I'd have to look at my calendar to be honest. 761 00:41:56,867 --> 00:41:58,567 It's in mid-May. Yeah, mid-May. 762 00:41:58,567 --> 00:42:00,567 Public works week coming down 763 00:42:02,767 --> 00:42:05,233 and then all next week we have budget stuff 764 00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:08,066 so, so I'm in, yeah, 765 00:42:10,333 --> 00:42:13,100 - Move on to council communications. Carol, 766 00:42:14,066 --> 00:42:15,066 - I have none. 767 00:42:17,767 --> 00:42:21,300 - Zach? - No, Carol's first. We're going around. 768 00:42:22,767 --> 00:42:25,266 Zach we'll get to you. You, you get to, 769 00:42:26,066 --> 00:42:27,066 you can move to adjourn. 770 00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:28,467 You clean up? 771 00:42:29,734 --> 00:42:34,033 - I'm good thank you. - I just had a couple 772 00:42:34,634 --> 00:42:36,634 things and I just want to address this. 773 00:42:38,867 --> 00:42:42,567 I just wanted to like put it out there about my, 774 00:42:43,066 --> 00:42:45,066 I don't really know what to do about it, but my concern, 775 00:42:45,934 --> 00:42:47,867 and this is not just about the city of Troutdale 776 00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:50,834 and I'm sure it's at, it's gonna be at the front 777 00:42:50,834 --> 00:42:53,767 of our minds this next week concerning our budget. 778 00:42:53,934 --> 00:42:58,467 But I'm just like concerned about the state of 779 00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:04,300 how this, maybe this state of Oregon is taxed 780 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:05,500 and where tax money goes 781 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:08,333 and I'm not really sure that there's anything 782 00:43:08,333 --> 00:43:10,734 that we can specifically do about that. 783 00:43:10,867 --> 00:43:13,233 It's probably more at higher levels than us, 784 00:43:13,367 --> 00:43:16,567 but I think we're gonna find out this next week 785 00:43:18,834 --> 00:43:22,000 that I know we're not the only city that is in this position 786 00:43:22,133 --> 00:43:25,700 where we're having to pinch pennies and remove things 787 00:43:25,834 --> 00:43:28,233 and take things away from the people who live here. 788 00:43:28,367 --> 00:43:33,000 So I'm just stating it like as a fact that it's 789 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,233 concerning to me of being involved in doing this. 790 00:43:37,233 --> 00:43:40,033 I think that there needs to be some sort of reform somewhere 791 00:43:40,133 --> 00:43:44,834 to help cities Function at a higher 792 00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,367 level for the people that live there. 793 00:43:46,834 --> 00:43:50,000 So, and that's probably again above my pay grade. 794 00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:54,333 But I just wanted to respond to this comment from Frank 795 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,467 this and I know I have get communicated a lot 796 00:43:59,467 --> 00:44:01,700 with Frank over the last couple years 797 00:44:02,066 --> 00:44:04,533 and he's very involved in these kind of things 798 00:44:05,834 --> 00:44:09,300 and really cares about these spaces as do I 799 00:44:10,266 --> 00:44:12,367 park next to my house is really kind of out 800 00:44:12,367 --> 00:44:14,767 of the way mostly and people walk their dogs 801 00:44:14,834 --> 00:44:16,100 and there's not really any 802 00:44:18,100 --> 00:44:19,934 living activity happening at the park. 803 00:44:20,033 --> 00:44:22,867 It's great. But spaces like this, I'm pretty sure 804 00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:24,734 that people moved over from a thousand acres 805 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:26,767 and the, you know, the Department 806 00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:29,066 of State lands land over onto this side 807 00:44:29,066 --> 00:44:30,734 where they're now not being monitored. 808 00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:33,033 And I find that to be very concerning and I, 809 00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:36,100 and I find it concerning that nothing is being done. 810 00:44:36,567 --> 00:44:40,100 And I find it kind of ridiculous that 811 00:44:42,066 --> 00:44:43,934 the people who live here and are paying taxes 812 00:44:44,166 --> 00:44:46,700 and want to use the spaces that their taxes pay 813 00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,266 for aren't able to safely use those spaces. 814 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:53,934 And I think that something needs to be done immediately. 815 00:44:54,233 --> 00:44:56,233 And I realize that's probably a super tall task. 816 00:44:57,734 --> 00:45:00,700 But I think that this is something that warrants that. 817 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,033 And whether it's the, whoever's land, 818 00:45:04,033 --> 00:45:05,734 it ne if it's the port's land 819 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,100 or if the sheriff needs to get involved, they need 820 00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,700 to do something like the, they can't dilly dally around 821 00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:14,333 with this, especially if there are dangerous weapons around. 822 00:45:14,834 --> 00:45:17,834 Whether they work or not is ir is, 823 00:45:18,233 --> 00:45:19,367 shouldn't matter whatsoever. 824 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,266 It doesn't really matter. 825 00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:22,266 It's not a place for people to live. 826 00:45:22,867 --> 00:45:25,700 It's a place for people to use and hopefully use safely. 827 00:45:26,033 --> 00:45:31,033 And so I am going to mimic 828 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,567 Frank's statement that hopefully 829 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:39,634 steps will be taken and they'll be taken immediately to do 830 00:45:40,166 --> 00:45:44,100 with this problem and mitigate it for the future. 831 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,634 So yeah, that's it. 832 00:45:48,934 --> 00:45:50,300 - Alright, well thanks. 833 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:55,233 I, First of all, 834 00:45:56,467 --> 00:45:59,000 tomorrow is the deadline for filing the statement 835 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,100 of economic interest. 836 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:04,533 If any of you have failed to do that, don't forget, 837 00:46:06,166 --> 00:46:07,266 it's easy to forget. 838 00:46:07,533 --> 00:46:09,500 I do think we got reminders from Sarah, 839 00:46:10,467 --> 00:46:12,066 but it's been a while 840 00:46:12,567 --> 00:46:17,133 and so I just mentioned it, if you don't know 841 00:46:17,133 --> 00:46:19,133 what I'm talking about, see me afterwards. 842 00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:26,000 The last Monday there 843 00:46:26,133 --> 00:46:30,166 was a, the, there was a filming 844 00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:35,934 by an outfit that was hired by the Oregon Lottery 845 00:46:36,033 --> 00:46:39,533 who helped fund the Sharon Nesbitt Heritage Trail. 846 00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:43,033 And Sharon was here and I, Sharon 847 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,367 and I went out on the trail and they did some filming 848 00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:50,533 and it's supposed to be on the Lottery's YouTube channel 849 00:46:50,767 --> 00:46:53,433 and some other social media. 850 00:46:54,834 --> 00:46:58,033 Haven't seen it yet, but I just mentioned it 851 00:46:58,166 --> 00:46:59,500 'cause it was, it was a lot of fun. 852 00:47:00,066 --> 00:47:01,500 It was just a gorgeous day. 853 00:47:02,166 --> 00:47:06,133 And Sharon was just a GOG about how beautiful the 854 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,000 Sharon Nesbitt Heritage Trail is. 855 00:47:09,367 --> 00:47:12,734 The new cage that you walk through is just perfect, 856 00:47:13,066 --> 00:47:17,033 not obtrusive, just right that you walk onto the tracks. 857 00:47:19,033 --> 00:47:21,100 Anyway, I mentioned that. 858 00:47:21,133 --> 00:47:25,266 And finally the Toronto Historical Society is hosting 859 00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:28,934 Kerry Tim Chuck, who's the president 860 00:47:29,166 --> 00:47:31,500 of the Oregon Historical Society. 861 00:47:31,634 --> 00:47:33,734 He's speaking at the Sam Cox building 862 00:47:34,266 --> 00:47:36,300 here in Troutdale at Glen Otto Park 863 00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:40,100 at two o'clock on Sunday the 19th. 864 00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,066 It's a program about preserving Oregon history. 865 00:47:44,133 --> 00:47:47,233 He's really entertaining and a very good speaker. 866 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,567 And it kind of has to do with Oregon's 200, 867 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,033 the 250th anniversary of the, of the Declaration 868 00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:57,133 of Independence and, 869 00:47:57,467 --> 00:48:00,100 and how Oregon is, is 870 00:48:01,533 --> 00:48:03,300 teaching its history as part of that. 871 00:48:03,567 --> 00:48:07,934 So with that, I'm done. One. 872 00:48:09,066 --> 00:48:11,500 - Yeah, no, I, I agree with Frank. 873 00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,266 That's the second time he's written the council. 874 00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:18,066 And to staff's credit it, it's not in Troutdale 875 00:48:18,867 --> 00:48:21,934 so it's difficult for us to really do a lot. 876 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,133 But if we, if there's anything you can think of, 877 00:48:25,266 --> 00:48:26,266 I'll be glad to help out. 878 00:48:26,266 --> 00:48:28,033 I've been complaining about that forever. 879 00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:32,300 It's like I can't imagine seeing homeless camps at the Grand 880 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,700 Canyon or other national parks. 881 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:39,367 And this is the national and it, it's been going on for, 882 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:43,000 for far too long and it, it's an asset to our community. 883 00:48:43,734 --> 00:48:48,700 It'll also help us get a development down at our URA 884 00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:50,767 if that can be cleaned up somehow. 885 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,266 And then I also, this time of year I do kind of an annual 886 00:48:56,900 --> 00:48:59,033 safety message to the public about swimming 887 00:48:59,133 --> 00:49:00,233 in the Sandy River. 888 00:49:00,233 --> 00:49:02,233 We get a few warm days, 889 00:49:02,233 --> 00:49:04,567 but it takes a while for that river to warm up. 890 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:08,133 And I've actually seen people swimming out there 891 00:49:08,133 --> 00:49:10,700 and it really frightens me to see 'em. 892 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:14,834 But I always say wait till lifeguards start on Memorial Day. 893 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:17,100 A MR has lifeguards at Glen Park from 894 00:49:18,033 --> 00:49:19,467 Memorial Day to Labor Day. 895 00:49:19,934 --> 00:49:20,934 That's all 896 00:49:22,834 --> 00:49:24,467 - I think I'd just like to piggyback on 897 00:49:24,467 --> 00:49:27,100 what Jeffrey said about of the budget 898 00:49:27,667 --> 00:49:30,467 and the shortfall that I think all of the cities 899 00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:32,867 around here are in 900 00:49:33,634 --> 00:49:38,066 and you know, we, we had the public safety fee 901 00:49:39,133 --> 00:49:42,000 and now we're looking at, well we, that money 902 00:49:42,934 --> 00:49:45,867 is already allocated and we're gonna ask potentially 903 00:49:46,867 --> 00:49:48,100 the people for more money. 904 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,734 And I feel like we, 905 00:49:51,934 --> 00:49:55,834 before we do that, we, I would this out to you guys. 906 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,333 Maybe we need to do our part, what we can 907 00:50:01,934 --> 00:50:06,066 and maybe make a joint statement, get all on board with 908 00:50:06,867 --> 00:50:10,033 creating something that maybe describes the situation 909 00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:15,033 that our communities in the cities all around us are in to. 910 00:50:15,066 --> 00:50:18,000 Hopefully we could all get on board. 911 00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:20,066 It wouldn't fall on deaf ears 912 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,500 and maybe get something initiated at a higher level 913 00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:25,767 because our hands are tied behind our back 914 00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:28,066 by the powers that be. 915 00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:33,000 And looking at the budget, it's just depressing. 916 00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:38,166 So I don't know if anybody would be interested in together 917 00:50:38,266 --> 00:50:39,300 to do something like that, 918 00:50:39,433 --> 00:50:43,333 but I think it, it would be worth our time. 919 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000 So 920 00:50:45,367 --> 00:50:49,166 - Can I just say, I sent out an email this afternoon, it's 921 00:50:50,166 --> 00:50:52,033 president of the League of Oregon Cities. 922 00:50:52,934 --> 00:50:54,300 He's doing their reception, 923 00:50:55,266 --> 00:50:58,033 I think it's in June though, two months away. 924 00:50:58,734 --> 00:51:03,033 But I find that that's a good opportunity to talk 925 00:51:03,033 --> 00:51:06,367 to them directly 'cause they are usually the lobbying arm 926 00:51:06,433 --> 00:51:08,767 of the cities at Salem 927 00:51:09,166 --> 00:51:13,900 and so talk to them directly about your ideas and concepts 928 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,100 and those sort of events. 929 00:51:16,033 --> 00:51:17,900 So if anyone can make that, I think 930 00:51:18,367 --> 00:51:21,300 I could probably make it, somebody wants to go with me 931 00:51:21,467 --> 00:51:23,333 or maybe a couple want to go with me 932 00:51:23,367 --> 00:51:28,033 and we'll go lobby it up and see if we can get something. 933 00:51:29,033 --> 00:51:30,133 Somebody ideas out there. Something. 934 00:51:30,233 --> 00:51:34,467 - Yeah, that could be good. Ron, 935 00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,900 - What's going on with the old city hall that, you know, I 936 00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:40,900 - Don't know. 937 00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:44,634 Am I allowed to say am I, I can only, I can only say rumor 938 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:48,867 and hearsay, but they're moving over there, which is nice. 939 00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:51,667 They are working on the back deck 940 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,700 and they finished the front pony wall up front on the lower 941 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,734 side where the brewery side of the business is. 942 00:52:00,333 --> 00:52:04,567 And I don't know if I'm allowed to just say what I've heard, 943 00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:07,033 but I've heard I say it right. 944 00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:09,000 It's okay. I've heard 945 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,133 that it's a mad cow brewery coming in there, 946 00:52:12,467 --> 00:52:14,734 so if it's mad Cow Brewery coming in there 947 00:52:14,734 --> 00:52:17,033 and they're coming in from, and I heard it from more than 948 00:52:17,033 --> 00:52:18,100 one source. 949 00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:23,767 So the rumor is is that it's coming from the plaza 950 00:52:24,433 --> 00:52:26,000 over there in Gresham. Gresham, 951 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000 - Yeah. 952 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,734 - Over to this site. 953 00:52:27,934 --> 00:52:32,867 So that is, I heard it not only from one of our counselors, 954 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,033 but also at a community event. 955 00:52:36,233 --> 00:52:40,333 So my guess is there's some credibility to that, 956 00:52:40,634 --> 00:52:43,300 but I have not seen the paperwork 957 00:52:43,367 --> 00:52:45,000 nor verified that that's who's coming in. 958 00:52:45,166 --> 00:52:50,033 - Yeah. - What I heard at the community event when I talked 959 00:52:50,033 --> 00:52:51,867 to them, it was the same one 960 00:52:52,166 --> 00:52:55,266 that there's quite a ways difference between what 961 00:52:56,767 --> 00:52:58,567 they think the value of that property is 962 00:52:58,634 --> 00:53:02,133 and what the owner thinks that there's a fair gap. 963 00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:04,634 So it wasn't looking funny how 964 00:53:04,634 --> 00:53:07,233 - That worked, - But, 965 00:53:07,333 --> 00:53:09,100 and you know, my response was, Hey, 966 00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:11,066 they got themselves into this situation. 967 00:53:11,133 --> 00:53:14,567 It's, but yeah, somebody, one 968 00:53:14,567 --> 00:53:18,700 of the businesses contacted me and wanted to get together 969 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,133 and find out what was going on 970 00:53:21,166 --> 00:53:23,066 and I said, well, they've been working on it, 971 00:53:23,066 --> 00:53:24,567 they were working on it every day last week 972 00:53:24,867 --> 00:53:25,867 - Yes. 973 00:53:25,867 --> 00:53:28,100 And stuff. But I've seen 'em out there every day 974 00:53:28,166 --> 00:53:29,834 for the last couple weeks at least. 975 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,567 So they're making good progress. 976 00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:34,767 And the real shining light right now is 977 00:53:34,834 --> 00:53:35,934 the old taste of village. 978 00:53:36,734 --> 00:53:39,133 Oh yeah. They're doing a phenomenal job with that structure, 979 00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,266 turning it into a hotel bed breakfast. 980 00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:46,533 So really excited to see that pop up. Other than that, no. 981 00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:52,000 - Okay, Zach, - Hey there. Thank you. 982 00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:57,233 Yeah, in light of Arbor Day, I, I guess I wanted 983 00:53:57,233 --> 00:54:00,700 to let you guys know, I, I did give open comments 984 00:54:01,066 --> 00:54:03,700 to the Bureau of Land Management last month 985 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,133 during their comment period. 986 00:54:06,734 --> 00:54:09,133 They are currently considering a project 987 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:12,000 that would open up millions of acres 988 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:16,033 to unrestricted logging again across the state. 989 00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:19,700 So I think it's important that we really 990 00:54:20,266 --> 00:54:21,767 protect our public lands 991 00:54:22,066 --> 00:54:24,133 and I just wanted to let you guys know it's 992 00:54:24,467 --> 00:54:25,734 stuff like that's going on. 993 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,100 I give public comment. I think it's important 994 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,033 that we protect our, our state's resources 995 00:54:31,033 --> 00:54:32,867 and our outdoor industry 996 00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:34,266 and everything else we have going on there. 997 00:54:36,367 --> 00:54:39,000 And I heard about, there was unfortunately sound like there 998 00:54:39,266 --> 00:54:42,033 was a, a tragic death at the Amazon facility here 999 00:54:42,033 --> 00:54:43,066 in Troutdale on Sunday. 1000 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:46,700 So just wanted to, you know, say my heart goes out to 1001 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:51,300 that family and, you know, I hope for due diligence in 1002 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,500 investigating the cause and, you know, 1003 00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,634 hopefully prevention in the future if it was related 1004 00:54:55,634 --> 00:54:56,734 to working conditions. 1005 00:54:56,734 --> 00:55:01,133 So, but yeah, I, I, that's all I got for today. 1006 00:55:01,133 --> 00:55:02,300 Thank you guys. Appreciate it. 1007 00:55:04,033 --> 00:55:07,734 - Move you adjourn Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. 1008 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000 - Aye. - Aye. 1009 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,500 - Adjourned. Well any opposed to that? No, I don't hear it. 1010 00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:15,266 My name. We are adjourned. 1011 00:55:18,033 --> 00:55:19,433 - Hopefully we'll be done Monday. Right. 1012 00:55:22,533 --> 00:55:24,100 Spend an hour ahead in the agenda. If we, 1013 00:55:29,734 --> 00:55:32,433 we did talk to Maxine Decker 1014 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,767 and W's office last week.