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Good evening. I would like to call to
order uh the town planning advisory

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committee meeting of Monday, August
31st, 2026.

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I would like to begin by acknowledging
that we are in Migmagi, the ancestral

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and unseated territory of the Migma
people. I also acknowledge that people

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of African descent have been in Nova
Scotia for over 400 years. We honor and

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offer gratitude to those ancestors of
Migma and African descent who came

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before us to this land. We also
acknowledge that words alone are not

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enough and commit to work towards
achieving the action items outlined in

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the calls to action from the committee
for truth and reconciliation.

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Next on our uh agenda is the acceptance
of the agenda which has been provided.

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If anybody wishes to add any items to
the agenda, please make that known. And

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if there are no changes, if somebody
could move to accept them.

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So moved. Councelor McGrath. Do I have a
seconder for that motion? Miss M Miss

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Deloreier. All those in favor of
accepting the agenda as circulated,

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please signify by saying I.
>> Motion passed. Thank you. Uh the minutes

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from our last meeting of May 25th, 2026
have been uh circulated.

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If there are any um omissions,
corrections,

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amendments to those, please
let me know.

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And if there are none, if somebody
wishes to make a motion to approve them

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as circulated,
that would be appreciated, Mr. Laurier.

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And uh seconded by Councelor Graham.
Okay.

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All those in favor of approving the
minutes as circulated, please signify by

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saying I. I.
>> Okay. Motion carried. Thank you.

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The next item on our agenda is the uh
step two of

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five for the development at 149 Callback
Street.

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uh and that is senior planner Conny's
project. So I will turn the microphone

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over to her to speak to this.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I would also

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note for the members of the planning
advisory committee that we have two of

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the representatives for this application
are and they are in attendance and they

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do have a small presentation themselves
that they would like to do following

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this one. As mentioned, this is the
application step two for 149 Callback

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Street. You may have forgotten about it
because it had a little bit of a rough

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uh go so far. It initially came forward
in front of this committee back in March

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for step one and then we had a couple
delays and a random power outage and now

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finally we are back for step two review.
So this this application as mentioned

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149 Callback Street is in an area of
redevelopment currently. Uh the

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application is being brought forward by
Zap Consulting on behalf of the uh

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property owner Lanchaw Construction. The
original application came forward in

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February and it is to construct a
multi-unit residential building with 43

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residential units and two levels of
parking within the building itself.

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Again, this is a step two of the
five-step expanded application process.

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Here we see a aerial photograph of the
subject site. It is just over 1 acre in

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area and has approximately 23 meters of
frontage on Callback Street. We are able

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to see also some of the recent
development. This is a little bit older

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of a photo, but we see the the three
larger buildings that have been fully

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constructed and completed a little bit
above there at 185 Callback Street.

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Here we have some photos of the subject
site. So, it is that yellow house where

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the yellow arrow is pointing. So, it is
just above north of the existing

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graveyard. And you can see again those
other larger buildings that have been

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constructed a little bit further further
south.

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Um some more site photos.

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So the applicable policy area, the lands
are within the urban growth policy area.

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Multiple unit residential proposals um
more than 18 units must be considered by

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development agreement as per policy UG35
within the town's municipal planning

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strategy. The lands are also zoned urban
growth and have a bit of environmental

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reserve at the rear. So the property
itself is a little bit odd shaped where

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it has that triangular portion which at
the rear to the east in this photo and

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you can see that it's completely within
that er zone.

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[clears throat]
So again the proposal pardon me is five

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stories. It actually is six at the rear
due to the elevation change of the site.

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Uh 43 residential units as mentioned 21
bedrooms, 16 twobedrooms and seven

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two-bedroom plus den units. The lot
coverage itself for the building is 25%

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and then when we include the impermeable
surface for parking that increases to

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42%. Parking is 60 total spaces with 46
being inside the structure and 14 at the

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rear at the surface which is a parking
ratio of 1.4 per unit. Amenity space

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currently shown at 314 square meters
which includes the balcony the balconies

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and an amenity rooms. It is important to
note that this has a little bit less

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currently than what the land use bylaw
requires for amenity spaces. Um it's

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about 561
square meters short on that, but it does

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have some uh forested or undeveloped
property at the rear. It's questionable

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as to the amenity usefulness of that,
but we will get further into that as we

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consider this application.
We just did a little bit of a

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side-by-side comparison from the
original application to what's in front

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of us today. The original is on the
left. The submitted current application

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is on the right. So, the two changes
that have come out since step one into

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step two include an increase in parking.
So, there's 14 spaces now at grade which

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are highlighted by the the number one in
the yellow circle on the far right of

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the graphic. The other thing is that the
building has been pulled closer to

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Callback Street. So, it's now at a
setback of 13 meters instead of the

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original 19.86.
This is also due to firefighting

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requirements. And correct me if I'm
wrong when you get to do your

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presentation uh Miss
Ste consultant that we can uh that the

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the fire it's now closer to the building
to enable um increased and improved fire

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fighter access with the um pulling up at
the street with the truck.

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Here we see the original massing plan
that was submitted back in March. Pretty

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much just a large rectangle. And then
now we have a little bit more fleshed

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out design, fuller renderings with
conceptual um cladding material and

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design that you can see what that would
look like within that neighborhood

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context.

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And we have a few more of those. So this
is a different angle

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and this is from the rear. So you get a
sense of the slope and the existing

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grade at the property and how that
parking will be laid out at the back

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and from callback street.

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So two parking levels, no changes to
this as noted from the original to the

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current submission. One level does have
a drive-thru that you enter and then you

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kind of exit to access that rear park
surface parking,

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but an estimated 23 to 25. We're
probably going to hit about 24 in that

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once the accessible parking spaces are
incorporated into the design.

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So there has been a slight modification
for the residential layout that the

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mechanical and elevator stairwell area
has been modified slightly.

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But that's the only substantive changes
from the first original to now

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and that continues on for levels three
to five.

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We did highlight some areas of potential
conflict with the land use bylaw

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requirements. So there are setbacks that
limit the height of a building. So this

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particularly applies to the site because
the residential the general residential

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zone is across the street and the zones
meet in the center of the road. Um so

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that has largely been met and you can
see that on the drawing below where

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they've noted the 15 meter setback from
the street center line as well as the

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setback from the property boundary. Um,
it's not necessarily a negative thing,

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but it is something to note for planning
advisory that the stepped back

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requirement, which you can see in the
lower left corner, is not being met

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necessarily. The buildings, most of the
building's mass will be placed farther

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back, but it still does not or is not
expected to meet the land use bylaw

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requirement for that.
Uh the development application notice

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sign was posted on the subject site in
midappril or sorry mid August on the

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11th. Uh information has been and will
continue to be posted on the town's

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website under active development
applications and the public

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participation survey will open to all
who would like to provide their

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feedback. That will open after this
meeting. of tomorrow. Uh, and a mail out

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will also be sent to all the affected
property owners within 150 meters of the

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subject lands and will notify them of
the upcoming public hearing which is

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expected to be in November.
This application is expected to progress

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to step three following this meeting
which will be next month, the end of

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September, I believe the 28th. and all
any and all changes that will result

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from this meeting will be incorporated
to any submission that will go forward

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to that next meeting. And that concludes
my presentation.

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Thank you, Senior Planner Connley.
Um would the committee members like to

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hear from our um developers
representatives before we move to

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questions? Does that make sense? Okay,
great. Uh, please come on down

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and uh just make sure your microphone is
on,

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which I will
>> hear me. Okay,

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» should be working now.
>> Okay, great.

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Good evening, uh, members of the
planning advisory committee. My name is

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Connor Wallace. I'm a planner and
principal at Zap Consulting. We're

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working on behalf of the land owner,
Land Chalkaw Construction, as they're

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looking at a development at 149 Callback
Street. Uh I'd like to thank Carla for a

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thorough presentation. Um so I won't uh
repeat a lot of the details around the

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proposal. Certainly there's available
availability for questions of

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clarification around that. I will just
provide a bit of additional detail

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around the design approach and again
that's certainly available to ask any

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questions that do come up at the
meeting. Um and also we'll just provide

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a bit of response to some of the
feedback we understand we've received in

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the process so far and some of the
changes we made to the design as a

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result of that. And I I what I'll do is
kind of talk through those as I have

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this image up on the slide. Um so the
first thing that we heard about was the

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location of parking and parking supply
was something that was discussed in the

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early stages of the application. Um with
was um understanding if there was

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consideration for surface parking in
front of the building and not just in

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the rear of the building. Uh so we have
continued to consider the parking within

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the rear of the building for a couple of
reasons. one one of which was mentioned

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by Carla as it relates to fire access
and emergency service to the building

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and its proximity it needs to be to the
public street in this case callback

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street. Uh so with that it creates a
challenge with with that amount of

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distance to fits surface parking and its
its functions. What we are using that

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area for is access to the interior
parking of the building as well as a

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very clear and distinct pedestrian
access to the building through a

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enclosed bumpout that projects out
closer to the street than the primary

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mass of the building. Um, and I'll I'll
speak to the height a bit more um in in

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further comments. Uh, so the parking is
located in the rear as it remains. The

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property does have an odd configuration
as was mentioned and the rear portion is

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within an environmental zone. The intent
is not to um develop those lands and to

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have some additional surface parking um
available for tenants um or potentially

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residents who are uh having visitors
over um there are you know fob systems

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and access systems in place that are
available through these buildings to

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provide access um in those certain
circumstances. However, we did recognize

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that parking was some and parking supply
was something that was discussed and

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recognized as a need by the committee in
the community. Um

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with regards to the building material
cladding and color and and as it relates

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to beyond just kind of the box masking
that was initially proposed uh there's a

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variety of of materials um proposed
within the development. It as I

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mentioned within its form it's intended
to have a one-story projection at the um

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street to provide a very prominent and
obvious entrance for residents or

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pedestrians accessing the building with
a direct connection uh to the sidewalk

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and to the the public rightway. There's
a separate uh connection from a stairway

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emergency access on the opposite side of
the building. Can you see my cursor

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here? Great. Um so that comes out here
from a uh exit stair that occurs on the

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other side of the building. That's
directly out to the street as well. And

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then the central portion of the site is
uh frontage is um being utilized for

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access driveways to the two levels of
parking. Um, one thing I will speak to

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as it relates to the design approach is
the site does slope to the back away um,

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downgrade away from the elevation of
Callback Street. It is located next to

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an existing cemetery as well. When we
were looking at design for integrating

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parking as well as residential units, we
were cognizant of the amount of

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excavation and you know digging and
disruption of ground to accommodate the

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development as we looking at its
proximity to its neighboring uses. So

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although there is some excavation
intended here, the intent here is to

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actually have the parking kind of funnel
out as the landscape falls up from it or

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falls out from it towards the um the
environmental zone. So and I believe

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there may be an image from the back. So
you can see from the back here a good

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portion of that building is actually it
it becomes exposed in the rear when it's

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away from the streetscape, but it
doesn't require that level of excavation

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within proximity to that use. that was a
bit of the one of the driving factors

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behind the design approach and then the
residential units sit on top of that

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um as it relates to the building height
and I'll I'll refer back to this image

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when we're when I'm speaking to this and
um and also referencing um some of the

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land use bylaw requirements around um
building height and its height as it

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relates to street and the street walls
um in this case this is the site does

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have a unique context where directly
abuing uh it's the site is a general

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residential use zone zone on so next to
it um and butting along Callback Street

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is an urban growth zone and designation
and also on the other side of that

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corner kind of condition of the street
is urban growth as well. So it is a very

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mixed area in terms of the existing uses
and its zonings and its existing zoning

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framework. That said, what's being
proposed within the design is to really

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have, as mentioned here, the pedestrian
entrance and interaction with the street

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be very prominent and obvious and scaled
to the streetscape experience with a

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direct connection and integration of
landscaping that it's very prominent and

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easy to navigate to and easy and safe to
access and is at a scale that is um you

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know appropriate for that inviting
pedestrian experience. and the building

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the building mass itself that is taller
is set back further than that to

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accommodate access for the underground
parking but also to have that separate

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more background appearance to it from
the main entrance. Although taller, it

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does have some vertical elements and
lighting to help you know show show its

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scale but then also have different
materials, more grounded materials such

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as masonry um at the base to help you
know accentuate that base and have it as

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more of a a grounded building at the
pedestrian level. Um so although it it's

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within this framework it's not meeting
the intent of the land use by

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regulations exactly um we do feel that
through the design approach there's the

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intent behind that pedestrian scale and
safe access um experience is is being

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made through this proposal. I just want
to provide a bit of context around the

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site and design um approaches that that
led to that. Um

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with regards to the construction methods
um and like I believe there was some

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feedback about how it may be constructed
and how that may have impact on

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neighboring properties and and
disruption um and things like that. The

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as mentioned as it relates to excavation
the intent here is to try to minimize

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excavation and through the design
approach. Um, also understanding intent

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now is that this likely would be the
parking levels would be be built out of

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concrete and then the upper levels would
likely be bu be built out of wood. Uh,

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due to its scale and its um, its form is
very conducive to to wood construction.

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It can be built out of other um,
methodologies as well. What's uh, great

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about that in the sense of construction
impact is that there's not larger

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construction equipment such as cranes
and all these things that do come with

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other construction methods such as as
concrete in a lot of forms. So, um the

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the intent from that approach is it for
it to be built similarly to a lot of the

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other buildings of the scale within the
town. Um as it relates to construction

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approach, that exact approach hasn't
been nailed down yet. Um but the scale

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and design of the massing is intended to
keep that those options flexible and in

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mind. Um the there are some existing
mature trees in front of the property.

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Um we are at this point not uncertain if
those trees are able to remain within

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within the development as it's become
closer to the street. Um the intent is

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to try to preserve those through the
development. However, having them

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maintained to be preserved could present
challenges um due to also maintaining

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the proximity for fire access um and and
service through the recent changes that

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were made. So wanted to highlight that
for discussion today. Um

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there was some discussion around the
unit model around um not only the

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breakdown um but from our understanding
through our client is this intended to

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be rental um units um so purpose-built
rental units that they would be they

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would be renting similar to a lot of
housing of the scale that's being built

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in the town currently. Um as it relates
to the amenity space there are personal

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private balconies um allocated for each
individual unit. There is a fairly

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substantial ground floor amenity space
um that was uh noted in the floor plans

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and provided in your report as well of
just over 1,000 square feet about 1,200

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square ft. Uh and that is intended it
could be multiple spaces that amount of

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square footage could be it doesn't
necessarily need to be one contiguous

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space or one contiguous room. Um but it
could be a variety of a combination of a

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gym and a common room or um various
combinations of amenity uses that are

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common to the residents in the building.
um as it relates to outdoor amenity

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space, it is a budding a natural green
space um and and cemetery to um to its

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neighboring side. Uh and it does have
area of the lot within the rear that is

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preserved to be undeveloped. Now, will
that be programmed for a specific many

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space? At this time, it isn't intended
to because the intent is not to have um

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a level of disruption to that land
because it's environmentally sensitive

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zone. Um however we do feel with the
surrounding outdoor amenities and

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facilities within the area um combined
with the outdoor balconies and interior

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space that there's an adequate amount of
space for the development proposed.

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Again looking to discuss that further
today. Um and the the parking as well is

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we're we're proposing a range of 23 to
25 stalls recognizing that there will be

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some spatial um adjustments to
accommodate the barrierfree parking um

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that will be implemented with the
building. So that that will be required

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in accordance with the 43 units. There
will be I believe at least two to three

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barrierfree parking stalls and units
that would be um required in accordance

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with the code. Um that would be
reflected in the the parking structure

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and those uh stalls would have access to
units either within the ground that that

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same level or through the elevator
access to their barrierfree designed

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unit. Um, so I think that was touching
on um, a number of the items I think

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were discussed previously um, over the
course of this application. Again,

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looking forward to continuing the
discussion today. We're available for

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any questions, clarifications, or
discussion items and really thank you

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for your time.

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» Thank you, Mr. Wallace.
Okay. Um, if any members of the

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committee wish to ask questions to Mr.
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Miss Connelly.

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» Okay. Councelor McGrath.

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» Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you,
Mr. Wallace, for the report. Um,

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probably to Miss Connelly first when we
were talking about amenity space. And

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Mr. Wallace, you had mentioned the
thousand square feet of uh amenity space

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in the room there. We've mentioned some
balconies. I don't know if we have the

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sizes of the balconies. The what what is
the calculation through the existing

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land use bylaws on what amenity space
would be required if it was being done

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uh as of right or by site plan approval?
Like how far are we missing on on

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amenity space? Because Miss Connelly,
you mentioned at the previous meeting

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that uh that the application fell short.
Yeah, just based on the uh numbers that

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we have on the the common room as well
as the balconies, it's still 561

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me square meters less than the required
and the required is calculated based on

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the number of bedrooms per unit. So it
is quite a bit of amenity space that is

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required. Um but yeah, 561.
>> And then Mr. Wallace, you had mentioned

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the cemetery next door possibly being
used for amenity space. I think a lot of

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people would probably find that very
disrespectful uh depending on the usage

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that they were planning for amenity
space in a cemetery. Uh just throwing

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that out there.
>> Um with regards to barrier free parking,

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that was something that was mentioned at
the previous meeting that the uh barrier

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free parking was not identified in
there. Uh and you mentioned just now

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briefly, can you touch a little bit more
on the accessible units? Uh how many

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units are going to be accessible? Are
they going to be designed and built in

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such a way that they are adaptable in
case you end up with more people needing

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accessible units for example?
>> Mhm. Um yeah, so I'll I'll um provide um

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response to those and and please let me
know if I I missed any items. Um so as

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it relates to uh the the amenity space
piece. Uh, so the balconies themselves

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are typically about a uh 5 foot by 10
foot balcony or sorry 5 foot wide by

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about a 3ft or excuse me they're about 5
foot deep and by about 8t wide and

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that's about your typical balcony size
and those often they are either you know

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within the functional design of the
units themselves they often flank off

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the the living room space um but those
are kind of your standard and I believe

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that was what was used to calculate the
overall total area was a combination of

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those per unit and that's what reflected
the total. Um as it relates to the

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amenity space within interior of the
building as mentioned this is a a fairly

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substantial size of interior amenity
space to service what we believe the 43

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units that are proposed within it. Um
common rooms, gym, those types of things

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can be well accommodated within this
space. If there was additional amenity

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space to be provided within the
building, it would likely be in a

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reduction in units to accommodate that
space just functionally within the form.

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and we believe that there is an adequate
amount of space and there's an adequate

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we believe amount of parking to
accommodate the 43 residential units. Um

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so the the proposal is indicating to do
that and as it relates to outdoor

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amenity space and the neighboring use
and I I absolutely appreciate your

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comment as it relates to the neighboring
use. I I do find that as it relates to

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cemetery land uses they're often used as
passive recreation places for people to

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walk and enjoy the outdoors. They have
often very dedicated pathways that are

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often accessible um and foliage and all
these things that there's often

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cemeteries that are and there's there
places of of um of mourning and

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reflection as well. Um and recognizing
that there's there can be that

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multifaceted nature and opportunity with
that that use and also recognizing that

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it's important to respect how that's
used um and and those who use it. Um and

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I believe it was it was primarily
related to amenity space but was there

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anything else that uh the sorry the
barrier free parking. Thank you.

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» Um so as it relates to the code itself
it will require at minimum uh three

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barrier entirely barrierfree units
including dedicated barrier free parking

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stalls. Uh so that would be provided
within the building. The the code is

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also requiring adaptable units within
buildings as well. Um so I I I'm not an

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an architectctor or building official
myself so I won't get into the the

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details of that. uh the intent is to
meet all those requirements. Um and the

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the parking stalls would be designed
accordingly with that. They're often

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cited close to the um the residential
core due to their proximity and often

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that's where the spacing requirements
are ideal for those those stalls within

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the the space as well.
>> Okay. I asked mostly because when and I

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know we're still in early stages. I
acknowledge and understand that. Um but

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when things aren't showing up at the
beginning, I just want to make sure that

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they've actually been been thought
about.

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» Um building materials. I think you
already mentioned it's going to be uh

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concrete for the parking area and then
uh wood build on top. Uh so we skip over

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that one. The birectional driveways that
was something I had asked about at the

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previous meeting just making sure that
there was sufficient space to avoid

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conflict from people coming and going
with these these two driveways. Uh and

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again acknowledging early stages has
that been looked at for uh you know

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required widths?
>> Yes. Um thank you. It's a it it is a

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great question and um we were from a
width perspective, yes, we looked at it

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twofold. We were looking at the standard
widths that are often used for two-way

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driveways within these these parking
structures as it relates to their

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functionality and also with the how the
structure is often designed in them. Um

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that accommodates two-way driveway
traffic. And then we also um are in a

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way looking at creating some sort of
masonry um design there to help create a

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distinction between the two driveways.
And I imagine there will be other layer

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design elements that could help with
like wayfinding and access and things

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like that that are typically associated
with underground parking structures. Um,

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and based on our understanding of all
those, we we were able to also run tests

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basically that
>> vehicles can get in and maneuver through

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the parking structure particularly with
this one because the lower level does

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provide access to the rear parking. So
like how that functions and cars are

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able to get in and out. Um, so it has
been looked at at that level and the

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widths have been allocated to help
accommodate that. Perfect. And and while

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we're on the subject of the rear
parking, I think it was me who brought

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up uh whether it had been uh considered
to do parking in the front in order to

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bring the structure back. We just wanted
to clarify. I wanted to know if it had

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been looked at. I certainly wasn't
recommending bringing the parking lot to

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the front.
>> Uh because we don't really want to look

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at the parking despite how often some of
us argue that we should have more of it.

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Um we don't necessarily want to see it.
Mhm.

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» Um the uh still on parking, charging
infrastructure and bicycle parking. Uh

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two related I think especially because I
think microobility is the future. A lot

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of people are moving to these electric
scooters uh ebikes etc.

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» Um and again early steps but are we
keeping in mind that we're going to need

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charging infrastructure in these for all
types of electric vehicles?

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» Uh yes, thank you for for bringing up
again. I I do recall that was that was

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mentioned last meeting. Um and the there
hasn't been the details of those have

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not been ironed out at this point. There
are allocated spaces within the building

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and the parking structure for interior
bike parking. Um as well as uh the space

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within the stalls and ability to have um
electrical wiring for interior charging

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and that is becoming more and more
common within buildings. That decision

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hasn't been finally made on this
building yet for by our our client. Um

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but it's certainly the spatial
allocations have been made and the

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building and design can accommodate that
and that is happening more common where

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they they are setting them up for more
usage but there may not be the direct um

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unit hookups for every single stall but
the wiring is there to plug them in when

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there's more demand type thing. So
that's being investigated.

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» So maybe not there right from go but we
were building an adaptability

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» it's similar to adaptability with the um
the barrier free units. Absolutely.

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Yeah.
>> Perfect. uh affordable housing. We do

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not yet have an enforceable affordable
housing framework here. So, we can't

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necessarily make you, but I would
encourage strongly that there be

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affordable below market units uh in this
building. Have you looked into anything

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with CMHC or other programs in order to
drive affordable housing at this unit?

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» Uh and I this I will echo this through
discussions with our that we've had with

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our client to date. um and relying that
that information at at this point the

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intent is it to be built as as market
rental housing. Um there is financing

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programs as you mentioned available
through CHC. A lot of that is

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» somewhat up in the air right now with
Build Canada Homes now becoming uh a

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primary funer for a lot of affordable
housing programs. A lot of uh our

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clients including including um this
developer as well is looking at what

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sort of programs are available to
support affordability um and how they

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can do that through market housing
developments that come with the layers

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of land cost, construction costs, all
those types of things. Um so I don't

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have a definitive answer for you right
now. There's a lot of unknowns as it

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relates to those programs right now, but
they are certainly being investigated

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and how they can be brought forward to
this project.

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» Okay. Okay. And then you did mention
that this is going to be entirely uh

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rental units, not no units available for
ownership.

416
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:39,039
» At this point, it's our understanding.
Yes, it's it's rental units. Yeah.

417
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:42,960
» Okay. And
uh one one thing I just wanted to

418
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,279
mention, I keep hearing you say design
approach. I really appreciate that. That

419
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:52,720
is something that I bring up a lot at
council to say, you know, we have to

420
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:56,480
design things for how we want people to
be. We need to design our roads for the

421
00:31:54,799 --> 00:32:00,320
traffic we want to see. We need to
design our town for how we want it to

422
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,720
be. So, I really appreciate that you're
taking a design approach to this. Yeah.

423
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,440
Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that
comment. I do want to thank the, you

424
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:10,960
know, staff and the process that's
available for this to with this process,

425
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,840
the ability to look at sites
specifically and bring a certain

426
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,440
specific approach to them and their
their nuances, uh, which I believe the

427
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,559
site has a lot of those context. So,
appreciate that comment. Thank you.

428
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Uh, councelor Graham.
>> Um, I was just wondering, is your group

429
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,200
affiliated with the three other
buildings on callback?

430
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,960
» To my knowledge, no. They they they
aren't affiliated with those buildings.

431
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,000
No.
>> No. Yeah.

432
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:41,279
» Okay. The second question I have is with
regard to the 72bedroom plus den. When I

433
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:46,080
see that in a listing, it generally
means that in a pinch, the den can be

434
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,919
converted to a bedroom. Is that the case
with these units?

435
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,440
» Certainly. So with the scale and type of
construction of this building, the

436
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,640
building will be will be sprinklered. Uh
so what that means is that dens may not

437
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,240
have a window to the exterior. That
being said, with a sprinkler, they can

438
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,919
be functioning as an ancillary bedroom.
Sometimes it could be like a guest

439
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:10,159
suite, for example. Um so they can
function as a den or a bedroom or an

440
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,559
office or you know a mini gym. They're
they're very multiunctional in that way.

441
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,039
» Okay.
>> Yeah,

442
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:22,159
» those are my only questions. Thank you,
>> Deputy Mayor Thomas. [clears throat]

443
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:25,760
» Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um,
thank you, Mr. Wallace, for your

444
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:29,679
presentation and Miss Connley for yours.
Miss Connley, I have some questions for

445
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:35,679
you. Most of my questions have have to
do with setbacks.

446
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:40,480
Excuse me. Um, if we could in your
presentation, can you bring your

447
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:46,960
presentation up? just want to take a
look at the setbacks uh from the general

448
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:54,960
residential zone that you displayed.
Thank you. So, it's the building is 16.2

449
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:58,279
m from the U general residential zone.
Is that correct,

450
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,919
the corner of the building?
>> Right. That's what they show there. My

451
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:07,679
calculation was a little bit closer to
15 on that, but I see

452
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:12,079
» to be confirmed. It's from the center of
the rightway

453
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:16,720
» and it's considered a fivestory building
>> at the front. Yes.

454
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:23,679
» Yeah. So, um 22 meters is the distance.
So, it's you know Yeah. You're saying,

455
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:29,119
you know, around 15 plus meters and it's
supposed to be 22 meters. So, it's quite

456
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:33,040
a bit a difference between uh what's as
of right and and what's being requested.

457
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:41,119
So, I think that's important to
understand. Uh that uh another question

458
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:49,200
I have has to do with um the um
the right of way.

459
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:53,119
Is is the cemetery um road is that a
public right of way or how does that how

460
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,240
is that described?
>> It's private it's on private property.

461
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,839
» It's a private property.
>> Okay.

462
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:06,800
» Okay. because there is a
you know there is a a uh you can't

463
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:12,560
exceed uh four stories if it's less than
19.7 from a public right away. So I was

464
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:17,839
interested whether or not that applied.
Um

465
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:24,400
the other thing is um
is really the storm water management. Um

466
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:28,320
that that's concerns me um because
there's already been a development in

467
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:32,560
which um
um I approved

468
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:36,320
um and it had problems with storm water
management and it's on call back. Won't

469
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,760
bring it up but I think we're familiar
with it. that's further up the road. And

470
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:49,280
um we were assured that the storm water
would be handled and um it it actually a

471
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:54,560
portion of that water drained into the
environmental zone in the back in which

472
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:58,880
there's a four season repairarian area
back there. There's a stream that runs

473
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:04,560
there essentially four seasons. when we
had torrential uh rainfall through

474
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:09,839
summer thunderstorms that that that
creek just swelled and overwhelmed some

475
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,680
properties further downstream.
And so I want to know about the storm

476
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:19,839
water management on this one. I know
that one is being corrected. I know that

477
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:24,079
it it was seen as not done properly and
so there's a correction is underway.

478
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,839
That's my understanding. Is that correct
in regards to that property? But we're

479
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,240
talking about this property and I want
to ensure that the storm water

480
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:37,359
management is handled properly on this
property because of the fact that it too

481
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:43,440
drains into that same repairarian area
that four season creek down there. And

482
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:47,359
so um my question is is I know this is
early and there needs to be a storm

483
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:53,200
water management plan but would the town
be looking for the storm water to go

484
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,280
into the storm water system of the town?
In other words, into the underground

485
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:02,960
system to be taken away. Is that what
would be uh the thought? Because I'm

486
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:07,599
very interested to make sure that the
water leaving this property does not

487
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:13,359
leave because it's sloped. Once you get
onto this property a little bit, it's

488
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:16,240
all sloped towards that repairing area.
You understand my question?

489
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,000
» That is a great question and and you're
not the only one to think that. And I

490
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:24,800
think a lot of uh the residents of Tro
would have similar concerns and

491
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:29,280
questions. Typically we receive and I
won't speak to our acting director of

492
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,599
engineering and public works here. He
Jared can absolutely follow up on that a

493
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:37,920
little bit more but we don't ask for
that level of detail at this stage. It

494
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:43,040
is something that is expected that once
the developers do get so to speak the

495
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:46,800
green light to proceed then they spend a
lot more money on the engineering plans

496
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:52,079
to determine what is a suitable storm
water management plan for the site. And

497
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:56,640
these are handled in a multiple
of different ways, right? There's

498
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,520
you see them on all of the different
properties how they handle them a little

499
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,200
bit differently. Some of them have storm
water management ponds. Some of them

500
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:08,000
have chambers underground that are
buried. It's really sight dependent and

501
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,599
I I'm not sure and maybe if you Connor
if you have any insight into that how

502
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,440
you're expecting to deal with that at
the moment. But the you are right deputy

503
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,760
mayor that we would ask that they are
not going to dump all their storm water

504
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:25,200
management either into the brook or into
the town's system that there are um

505
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:30,160
checks and balances so that the storm
water flow is not exceeded or does not

506
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,599
exceed what is there currently.
>> Correct. Okay.

507
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,520
» Um yes. So thank you Carla and just to
add a bit more context to that but

508
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:42,079
that's that's exactly it. will we will
be uh required through the storm water

509
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,800
management plan to balance those pre and
postdevelopment flows. So there's a

510
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,119
certain amount of flow happening into
that that um water feature now. And to

511
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:53,440
your point, all of the slopes are going
to that. So there the water is flowing

512
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:57,359
there. Um and there will be more storm
water created through the development

513
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:02,800
being more on the property with this
property. Um uh the front portion of

514
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,920
this property being covered by a
significant portion of the building.

515
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:10,000
Like likely what may happen from a storm
water management um perspective here is

516
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,520
as opposed to a pond within the property
which happens in certain circumstances

517
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,119
on larger properties there's underwater
storage units essenti underground

518
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,119
storage units that would likely go below
the surface parking lot in this case

519
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:25,119
that would store storm water and storm
events and then it would discharge that

520
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:30,480
storm water at a rate that exists today.
Um so the impact on that feature is not

521
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,960
changed. That's kind of the overall
theory. Again, I won't get into the um

522
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:38,880
design parameters of it. With the
context of the site, that's very likely

523
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:42,000
a solution for here. The ultimate
solution that's required is that the

524
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,960
amount of storm water going into that
feature is is unchanged through the plan

525
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,200
that's put
>> and that that's the requirement and and

526
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:55,760
that is usually done even after council
approves a project is done with the uh

527
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:59,760
added added requirement that a storm
water management plan is done and the

528
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:03,520
town okays that. So, I have confidence
in that. But I want to make sure that

529
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,640
» that you're going to get questions on
that. Believe me, there's going to be qu

530
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:10,160
people questioning,
>> you know, where is that wa where's

531
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,119
what's the plan for that water? So, it
might not you might not have the details

532
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:18,240
of the plan,
>> but I think I think there needs to be

533
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:21,760
» um I think I think you need to be ready
to answer some of those questions

534
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,320
because I have those questions and I'm
sure people in the area have those

535
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:30,720
questions as well.
>> Absolutely. They're very valid. Um, the

536
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:36,160
other thing is um I'm I'm just concerned
about um uh uh the property next door,

537
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,800
the private property, which is the
cemetery and and the shadows uh of this

538
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:45,920
building. So, I'd like to see a shadow
study. I'd like to see uh where those

539
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:49,440
shadows are going. Um that's a grass
property. It's a essentially it's a

540
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,200
landscape property.
>> It's totally landscaped. And when you

541
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:58,000
have a landscape property and that's
what they do, I I'm I'm interested um

542
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,880
whether or not did they will they
receive notification of this? Being a

543
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,319
property owner, they'll receive
notification of this and so they'll be

544
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:09,359
able to address this themselves whether
that's a concern because growing grass

545
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:15,520
in total shade is just about impossible.
So that's that's a feature of their

546
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:20,319
business and and so I I I think that's
something that that they should be aware

547
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,319
of. Yeah.
Um

548
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:32,720
the last question or I have is is it
wasn't in our report but there's this

549
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:36,640
kind of four and five story yet when you
look at it there's four stories of

550
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:41,920
residences so there's kind of five six I
mean sorry as the building goes back the

551
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:45,200
lot goes obviously slopes back and so it
goes from five stories at the front to

552
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,079
six at the back. Can you just explain to
me that's in the parking area so how

553
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,079
does that work?
>> Yep. Um,

554
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:56,560
» you mean it's it's a sliver, so you
can't park a car in a foot of height.

555
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,079
So, how does how does that all work?
>> No, very great question, and I'm happy

556
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,440
to try to provide some more context on
it and any follow-up questions, please

557
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:09,280
feel free. Um, so, as you mentioned, the
site um slopes from Callback Street down

558
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,280
to um the the water feature that um and
the environmental zone that's on the

559
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:19,280
property. So, and what we have done is
cited the first um level of the

560
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,400
residences above callback street and
from the front perhaps if you could go

561
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,319
to the rendering from the front Carla
please. Uh this works too. So um what we

562
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:32,480
have is a situation where those
accessing the parking areas can either

563
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:37,040
choose to go up about half a story to
access the first parking level or they

564
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,440
go down half a story to access the below
parking level from callback street. But

565
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,119
the lower parking level once you get in
there and start driving into the site it

566
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,880
becomes quite exposed as the grade falls
off towards the water.

567
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,079
» Okay.
>> So the idea and the idea behind that is

568
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:54,400
that we're trying to minimize the amount
of excavation being next to a cemetery

569
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,560
the amount of ground disturbance all
that. So the idea is really to build

570
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:02,240
this into the slope in a sense that it's
kind of falls off and the parking then

571
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,400
provides an access opportunity in the
rear from that parking level to get some

572
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,599
surface parking or to provide some
additional surface parking and likely

573
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,599
some storm water management systems with
that as well.

574
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:18,160
» So the building's essentially like this
and the ground correct slopes and so the

575
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:21,520
building is level but the the foundation
slopes back like this. Absolutely right.

576
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,440
Which gives you a higher height at the
back than the front.

577
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:31,680
» Correct. Um and so the and then the
entrance is as as you had mentioned

578
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:36,480
prior it's about 15 to 16 meters uh from
the center line of the street that is to

579
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,160
the entrance the one-story entrance. The
building itself is just over 20 m set

580
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,520
back I believe from the center line of
the street. Okay.

581
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,119
» Um
>> the building proper like

582
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:48,880
» yeah the fivetory portion of the
building as it relates to callback

583
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,319
street. So the intent there was to have
with recognizing that you know the the

584
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,560
building height and the street wall
parameters and landing spa are intended

585
00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,400
to have that more human scale entrance
and interface with the street. This is

586
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,079
intended at really a smaller scale
inviting entrance is really the intent

587
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:10,160
here and then set back the larger form
further from that. And then there is as

588
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:14,079
mentioned that floor level that the um
uh residence entrance is it contains

589
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:18,640
primarily parking and you access an
elevator to access the units above and

590
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:21,440
then the entrance itself provides a
barrier three path all the way to the

591
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,079
sidewalk.
>> Right.

592
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:27,119
» Yeah.
>> And and you know I'll compliment you on

593
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:30,079
that design of the that entrance part of
the building which is like a a onestory

594
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:35,200
» correct
>> high. you know, it it kind of matches

595
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,560
the residence next door sort of as a as
a frontage, you know, right? Where so

596
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:43,440
you're not having a wall there, you're
having a one-story section of the

597
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,640
building and then four stories or five
stories.

598
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,079
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> Okay.

599
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:49,640
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for your feedback,

600
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:57,119
» Councelor McGrath.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a couple of

601
00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:02,160
follow-up questions. Um, when we're
talking about the setback, uh, I just

602
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:07,040
want to make sure that I'm I'm clear on
the deputy mayor's questions. We're

603
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:11,839
talking about the building being 15 m
back or 16 meters back and the height,

604
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:16,319
but when I especially on this slide,
it's that lobby that is 15 or 16 meters

605
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,839
back from the street, but it is
certainly not five stories there. So,

606
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,960
it's really the 20 wherever it was. Uh,
Carla, you know where? Yeah, that's the

607
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:30,240
one. Thank you. It's really just that
21.2

608
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:33,920
m back that is at the five stories, but
it sounded like we were talking about it

609
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:36,640
being five stories at 15 meters back.
And I just wanted to make sure that we

610
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,240
were clear on what we were discussing or
if I maybe misunderstood something.

611
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:49,040
» Um, yeah. No, sorry. Um,
>> sorry. Yeah, happy to clarify. the 15 uh

612
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,920
to 16 meter setback applies to the one
story and the 21 meters and change

613
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,359
applies to the fivetory portion. Yeah.
>> Okay, perfect. Just wanted to be clear

614
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:01,119
on that. And then I did have one uh
question that I did uh I failed to

615
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:06,400
follow up on uh the first time is on the
rooftop usage. Um Carl, would we be able

616
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,880
to go back to the uh slide that shows
the rear parking? I think that one

617
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:15,520
probably best illustrates
uh that's the one. Thank you very much.

618
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:20,319
So, just talking about like rooftop
usage again, especially when it comes to

619
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:24,079
storm water management. Some uh
developments will use a green roof, for

620
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:30,160
example, as part of their storm water
management plan. Uh sometimes there are

621
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,920
solar panels installed. Uh I noticed
that this one is facing, you know,

622
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:42,000
sloping toward the north, which makes it
a little less uh keen for solar panels,

623
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:47,440
but also concerned about any uh water or
snow runoff from that building onto what

624
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:54,720
is the only sidewalk on that side of the
building for emergency uh egress and

625
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:59,200
such. Um, is it has that been taken into
consideration the possibility of either

626
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:06,400
sloping the opposite way to take
advantage of uh solar panels or a

627
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:12,240
flatter roof to enable a green roof or
any sort of mitigation if it's left in

628
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:18,079
the current consu uh configuration to
protect pedestrians on that sidewalk

629
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:21,440
from falling uh snow and ice and and
snow and such?

630
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:26,480
» Absolutely. Um great great questions and
and very valid observations. Uh so yeah

631
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:30,720
the the intent around the roof design at
this point is to be a single pitch roof.

632
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,640
So that from to your point there will be
storm water. The intent is for the rain

633
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:39,599
to all fall to one side and drain that
way. What isn't shown in the rendering

634
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:42,560
itself will be a roof detail and edge at
the detail that collects storm water

635
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:47,520
similar to a drain. But this would be a
much more probably sophisticated detail

636
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:51,440
that is designed to capture the rainfall
and rainfall events. and that would

637
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:55,599
funnel into the storm system of the
building that would eventually make its

638
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,800
way to the storage um whether it's as I
mentioned the storage unit under the

639
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:04,800
parking lot or some other means um
during those storm fall events. So there

640
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:07,680
wouldn't be a condition of um falling
kind of free falling storm water on the

641
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,280
edge of that building. They would be
captured in that way. I I do take your

642
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000
point as it relates to the pitch and its
orientation and that's certainly

643
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:19,440
feedback that we we will take away in
consideration in the process with our

644
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:23,760
team. Um and uh there I do see there's a
good opportunity there as we continue to

645
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:26,559
investigate the design. Um as it relates
and that that certainly as relates to

646
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:32,319
consideration for example of solar
panels. Um the green roof piece is

647
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:36,800
something that with the singular pitch
it does provide um opportunities for

648
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:40,960
efficient draining. Um flat roofs from a
draining perspective can often be

649
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:44,319
challenging and require a lot of details
to drain all the storm water because

650
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:47,680
it's going to a flat surface. how to
manage that and drain it off the roof.

651
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:51,760
It involves a lot of systems to catch
the water and move it out. So, in this

652
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,880
case, it is a simple solution and with
the proposed wood construction, it does

653
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:58,000
align itself well with wood construction
and the alignment of, you know, trusses

654
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,680
and having those abilities to kind of
have that slope roof condition. Um, and

655
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:05,040
it's a bit of more of a residential in
its character and and nature from its

656
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,800
appearance by having more of a a pitcher
style was kind of the design intent.

657
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,480
That said, um I think there's some
really valid and and good feedback in

658
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,680
there as it relates to the orientation
and the way we manage storm water within

659
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,599
the roof that we'll we can consider
moving forward. That was just a a bit of

660
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:25,440
context around the design so far.
>> Sure. And just another consideration um

661
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,599
well the same consideration I guess I
think back to our most recent winter

662
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,640
here in Turo where a lot of people lost
their gutters because of the ice dams

663
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:37,599
and the
>> severe severess of the you know the

664
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:41,119
weather that we had. Um, so that's
something if if there's a gutter there

665
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,559
that like you said, oh, it's directing
the storm water, that's all fine and

666
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:51,040
good. But if there's chunks of ice, if
that's if that gutter breaks free and

667
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:56,720
there's chunks of ice falling, five, I
know it can be up to six, but I'll be

668
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:00,079
I'll be con forgiving and say five only.
>> Five stories is still a long way for a

669
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:04,319
chunk of ice to fall if it's going to
hit somebody or even, you know, hit one

670
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:10,160
of those uh those balconies or
something. Um, so I would may want to

671
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:14,960
caution that you want to consider that
as well. Absolutely. Thank you. Yes.

672
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:18,359
Thank you.
>> Mr. Lauria.

673
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,119
» All right.
>> No problem.

674
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,359
» Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, thank you,
Mr. Wallace. I think this question might

675
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:32,240
be for Miss Connelly. I have a question
regarding the requirements and the

676
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:35,920
proposed 60 spaces for the parking.
mainly just you know like is the

677
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:42,400
applicant actually providing more
parking than what is required and if so

678
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:48,559
you know I'm kind of wondering if it's
at the expense of amenity space or

679
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:54,559
landscape. Um so if you can just like
yes absolutely so the land use uh bylaw

680
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:58,000
requires 53 spaces be provide be
provided based on the number of units

681
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,680
and bedrooms and the applicant is
providing 60

682
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,520
» okay
>> total spaces. So they are above they

683
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,839
have seven extra spaces that they have
proposed

684
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,319
there.
>> Okay. Thank you. So I'm I'm just

685
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:15,520
wondering if those um seven spaces are
actually necessary

686
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:21,520
» uh for this or if they could be used for
more amenity space or landscaping.

687
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:26,079
» Yeah, thank you and very great question.
Um to to date what we've heard is that

688
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:31,520
there is a fair demand for for parking
for the uses. So the intent was to

689
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:35,359
provide uh the amount of parking that is
feasible within the means and parameters

690
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:39,520
of the property within the rear parking
lot. There's um 14 stalls currently

691
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:44,079
envisioned. So there may be more
opportunity for that to be reduced. The

692
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:47,119
intent from a demand standpoint for the
um building at this point is that

693
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,960
there's more desire for parking than say
maybe amenity spaces at this point. Um,

694
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:54,400
that said, I think there there's
opportunity for flexibility within that

695
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,920
space within the building itself and the
parking structure that that I believe

696
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:01,599
it's we're not quite meeting the land
use bylaw requirement within the

697
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,000
building itself. Um, however, it's
slightly exceeded by providing that rear

698
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,359
parking lot.
>> Okay. Yeah.

699
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,599
» All right. Thank you. Of
>> course,

700
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:15,119
» Councelor Graham,
>> I was just wondering your comment about

701
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:20,400
u desire or demand for parking spaces.
Where where is that coming from?

702
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,800
Yeah. Um, thank you and happy to provide
a bit more clarity on that. Just through

703
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:26,559
through discussions that we've been
having with um, a number of our clients

704
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:30,559
and just there there seems to be still a
fairly strong demand for for parking and

705
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:34,240
providing parking. Within this case, I
think there's there's opportunity for

706
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,440
flexibility within that rear parking
lot. Perhaps there may be demand for

707
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,280
parking the parking stalls at this
moment, but hopefully over time as

708
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:46,640
things change that demand is reduced and
surface parking lots are opportunities

709
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:50,000
for that can be utilized as other spaces
when demand does change because they're

710
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:54,480
not as permanent say as an underground
parking structure that you know it's

711
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:57,839
permanently that use and it's often very
difficult to become a different use when

712
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:01,040
it's underground. In this case that
that's our understanding just through

713
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:05,440
conversations with our client and that's
what why they provided us direction for

714
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,280
this proposal. Um but there there is
opportunity through that use for it to

715
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:15,760
adapt over time as demand does change.
>> Okay. Is that the trend we're seeing uh

716
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:21,359
Miss Connelly that uh from my
understanding I thought that parking has

717
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,680
actually been underutilized in most
developments these days in our town. But

718
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:30,079
maybe I'm mistaken.
>> I mean from my point of view it's really

719
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,960
location dependent. For example, at the
top of Young Street where we have the

720
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:38,880
larger development being it's nearest
stages of completion, they have all of

721
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:44,559
their parking used, right? Because it's
there's no public transit. It's up a

722
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:49,200
fairly steep hill to get to the top of
Young Street, right? So, the cars, there

723
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:53,040
is a lot of parking. There are a lot of
spaces filled at all times. Now downtown

724
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,960
we'll see our parking lots maybe a
little bit more emptied because people

725
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:02,400
are walking and using alternative
sources of or modes of transportation

726
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:07,680
like bicycling or taxiing or they just
don't have a vehicle. So I think

727
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:13,200
currently the demand changes based on
location and this callback street

728
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:17,839
location is kind of on the cusp of it's
it's fairly close to downtown but it is

729
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:22,400
not in the downtown. So the demand for
parking I would I would reference the

730
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,319
people who are paying for it and
building it rather than what I see

731
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:29,920
anecdotally. Um, and if that's what
they're saying, I mean, it does sound

732
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,640
reasonable and plausible based on what I
have seen. Yes.

733
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:36,880
» Okay. Thank you, Miss Deloreier. I
appreciated your observation there.

734
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:40,240
» Yes.
>> All right. Well, thank you so much. I

735
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:43,920
don't really have much to add. I I think
it's exciting the location, especially

736
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:48,480
being close to the community college. I
think that will work well for you and

737
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:53,359
should hopefully help with parking. So
that's great. Nice development. Um I

738
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:59,119
think everybody made really good points
and comments. So looking forward to

739
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,520
seeing you at the next step next month.
>> Thank you. Thank you for all your time

740
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,520
and your feedback tonight. Appreciate
it.

741
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:16,400
» Okay. Senior planner Connelly is busy
tonight.

742
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:25,520
So, this is uh another project of Miss
Conny's. Thank you. Uh 136 Wade Street

743
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:31,520
uh commonly known as sort of the
commercial district uh near Walmart. So,

744
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,640
um
go ahead, Miss Connelly, and let us know

745
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,480
what you have.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh yes, this is

746
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:44,000
kind of an unusual spot outside of the
areas that we have been seeing or this

747
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,720
committee has been seeing development
proposals recently. Uh it is 136 Wade

748
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:53,200
Road and you're like, "What's Wade Road?
That's the Walmart." And you're right.

749
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Um it is actually in an existing
developed area and these photos don't

750
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,720
really give you that sense of where it's
located, but it's an overview at the

751
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:05,680
moment. It's an application brought
forward by Studio MNA Incorporated on

752
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:10,319
behalf of a numbered company. The
application was made just a couple weeks

753
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:14,799
ago in August and it is to construct a
seven-story multi-use building with 70

754
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:20,880
residential dwelling units and over
9,000 square ft of ground floor

755
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:25,040
commercial space. So that um that
process I'm recommending the expanded

756
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:31,200
five-step development application review
process. This is step one. So here we

757
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:36,240
see the subject location. It is on the
Walmart site. The Walmart is that really

758
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:41,680
large building that straddles the town
boundary with the county and it the area

759
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:47,760
of redevelopment the overall site itself
is like 6.62

760
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:51,119
acres in area. This area of
redevelopment or maybe that was hectares

761
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:56,880
I'll check that but the area of
redevelopment is 1.52 acres which is

762
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:00,559
just over 6,000 square meters in area.
The portion that is to be redeveloped,

763
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:07,680
which is essentially all this grassy
area to the north of the photo, um it

764
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:13,040
has over a 100 meters of frontage on
Wade Road itself.

765
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:16,640
There is a little discrepancy you will
note between and you'll see this more as

766
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,480
we go through the presentation, but
between the property boundary from the

767
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:25,040
survey plan that we were provided as
well as the property data layer that has

768
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:29,280
been provided to us from the province.
And I'll flip back so you see that blue

769
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,839
boundary
kind of cuts. You see in relation to the

770
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:40,079
orange town and county boundary in
relation to the property boundary that

771
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:46,079
we currently have versus the survey plan
boundary of the lot, which shows it a

772
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:53,359
lot closer and a lot um it encompasses a
lot more that grass space than is shown

773
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:56,799
on our site location contextual photos
at the moment. So I'll just make

774
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:00,079
everybody aware of that fact. If you see
a little discrepancy, we are aware of it

775
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:05,200
too and we have flagged it for the
province to hopefully fix their data

776
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:09,200
layer because the surveyors uh are
traditionally that's their job. They are

777
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,760
normally [laughter] right. Um okay, but
the building itself, you can see it

778
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,079
there. It's highlighted in that dark
green color. It is going to be just

779
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:21,920
north of the existing Walmart building
site. Um currently it is just a grass

780
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:26,559
area. It's hard to really see where the
site is on this aerial or the um street

781
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,200
view photo, but you can see the Ros
Eastling Center. This is taken from Wade

782
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:36,720
Road. The Walmart is there. The Kent is
there. It's a pretty commercial part of

783
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,119
town. The lands themselves are within
the regional service policy area and

784
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,480
residential proposals or mixeduse
proposals with more than 18 dwelling

785
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:48,960
units must be considered by development
agreement. The lands are also zoned

786
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,240
regional service and are currently
covered by an existing development

787
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:57,440
agreement. Now, this makes it a little
bit um of a trickier application because

788
00:58:55,839 --> 00:59:03,520
we will have to determine as we go
through the review of this of this uh

789
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:10,079
proposal whether we as a town discharge
the existing development agreement

790
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:13,359
either entirely or in part or um just
kind of remove it from the site of

791
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,079
redevelopment.
And the ex it's important to note that

792
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:20,720
the existing development agreement
limits the uses to restaurants, uh,

793
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:25,839
banks. There's like four uses that they
can currently do there. So, an amendment

794
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:31,440
is required. The proposal itself, as
mentioned, is seven stories, 70 that's

795
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:37,680
70 residential units, so 51bedroom and
22bedroom units. The building itself

796
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:42,160
will cover 18% of that um area of
redevelopment. It's expected that less

797
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:47,520
than 70% will be covered by parking and
impermeable surfaces. I don't have exact

798
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,079
calculations at this time for that. Huge
amount of parking provided with this

799
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:58,319
one. It's 131 spaces overall. 28 of them
will be within the structure itself and

800
00:59:54,799 --> 01:00:04,240
80 will be outside just for residential.
So 80 total for residential only but 131

801
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:08,880
to accommodate the commercial parking as
well for those units. This is a parking

802
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:15,040
ratio for the residential units of 1.14
spaces per unit. Amenity space for this

803
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:21,119
is also being provided via top floor.
That whole uh aqua green level at the

804
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:24,880
top of the photo shown, that's top floor
amenity. That's all amenity space. I

805
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,319
have no details on what exactly that
means or what will be in that space or

806
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:34,480
how it will be used or programmed, but
it's it's 436 square meters of space.

807
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Here we get a little zoom out of that
site plan. So you get a better sense of

808
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:44,400
the area that will be redeveloped. Lot
of parking provided there. Walmart will

809
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:50,400
remain as well as its giant parking lot
and the other uh three

810
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:56,400
three or four uh existing buildings
there. There's three four total existing

811
01:00:52,799 --> 01:01:00,480
on the site. Um this is just a little
zoom in to show this is from the

812
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:06,240
applicant. So the Walmart is at the very
bottom right of our photo here. The new

813
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:12,400
proposed building is in the dark gray at
the top as and it's accessory parking.

814
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:18,000
We have some renderings that they have
provided us. These are very conceptual

815
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:22,400
like massing almost not a huge amount of
detail but does give you a sense of of

816
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:27,280
what's happening there. The Walmart for
context. This is from Wade Road. Walmart

817
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:31,040
is in the back.
Here we see from more of an internal

818
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:35,520
shot taken over maybe if you were
standing at the Kent building looking

819
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:41,920
toward Wade Road. Walmart again is to
your right

820
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:47,319
and this is from the air from Wade Road
and Walmart in the back with the new

821
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:47,319
proposed building.

822
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:54,000
So we have the parcade level again 28
spaces have been proposed at this time.

823
01:01:52,000 --> 01:02:00,000
that may change slightly just in
incorporating the barrierfree parking

824
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:05,119
spaces as is fairly common. Um but they
have provided that we have ground level

825
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:09,040
commercial that is also proposed for
this site. So again over 9,000 square

826
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,880
feet of commercial space. I have no idea
if that's going to be one tenant, two

827
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:17,359
tenants, 20 tenants. We don't have that
level of detail yet. But it will be all

828
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:22,720
entirely ground floor commercial except
for that residential lobby entrance. The

829
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:26,400
typical residential layouts have been
provided. There's only one that is

830
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,119
there, but it's a mix of one and
twobedroom units.

831
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:38,000
And the amenity space level, again, high
level, not a lot of detail, just showing

832
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:42,640
a big empty space that will be
used for the tenants. So, again, I'm

833
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:48,079
recommending the town's expanded
five-step review process. Um the uh

834
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:52,880
development application notice sign will
be posted on the subject site in the

835
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:57,680
coming after in the coming weeks after
or around step two of the application.

836
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:02,960
The information has and will continue to
be posted on the town's website. This is

837
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:07,200
expected to go forward next month for a
step two review and a mail out will also

838
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:13,839
be sent to the property owners with
within 150 meters of the subject lands

839
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:18,000
to provide uh the public hear no public
hearing notice. Now we're a little bit a

840
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:23,520
ways away from that but that is our
process as we move toward step two and

841
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:28,960
that concludes my presentation. Madam
Chair,

842
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,760
» thank you senior planner Connelly. Uh,
Deputy Mayor Thomas,

843
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:38,799
» I have a couple of questions for you.
One is, um, it crosses the development,

844
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:42,559
uh, also involves the county. So, can
you explain to me how that works as far

845
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,359
as the approval of this development,
etc.

846
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,760
» Sure.
>> And also taxation. How does that work?

847
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:52,079
» I can't speak about taxation. Uh, it
will be something that will be brought

848
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:56,000
up in the future as we review this uh,
whole process with the existing

849
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:01,760
development agreement. As mentioned, the
actual now this is where the boundary

850
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:04,960
is an important distinction because the
building itself, if you look at the

851
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,520
graphic that's up there, the new
proposed building is entirely within the

852
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:14,559
town of Truro. Some of the proposed
parking that will service that building

853
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:20,480
will be over the county boundary line.
Um, I'm not sure how taxation will work,

854
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:24,240
but we will be discussing and reviewing
our options for the existing development

855
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:29,119
agreement that covers the entire site
and does span the town county boundary

856
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:32,960
and how we will handle that with the dis
potential discharge or um amendment of

857
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:37,039
it.
>> Do you know what the uh the zoning is in

858
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:38,880
the county? Do they have zones like
this?

859
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,160
» They do have zones. I'm not sure exactly
what the zone is at this at this

860
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,079
» uh I can answer that. It's actually
highway commercial, I believe.

861
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:47,920
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So, and it and it does permit parking as

862
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,039
a permitted use in the zone. So, there
wouldn't be any issue if it was the

863
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:56,240
agreement was discharged, it would be a
permittable use permitted use. Um, so

864
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:00,319
there shouldn't be any issue there, but
we do have to have some discussions with

865
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:04,400
our c with our lawyer, town lawyer to
make sure we proceed properly and do

866
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:08,480
everything we required to do under the
terms of the existing agreement. So,

867
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:12,240
that that discussion is ongoing. Um, and
we will have an answer to that and a

868
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,400
path forward at the next meeting.
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Uh the

869
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:19,920
commercial space is there a requirement
for for commercial space in this

870
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:22,319
building
>> in the Yes,

871
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,319
» there is
>> in the regional service there.

872
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:28,880
» Is that why they have it there or is
that is that something that they want to

873
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,920
do? Do you
>> just do you know

874
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:35,599
» it just makes sense. I haven't
>> Director Fox has had a few

875
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:39,520
communications with the applicant as
well, but I'm not sure if that actually

876
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,839
has been brought up to date. Director
Fox

877
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,079
» like my question is can it be completely
residential?

878
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,559
» Yes, it can under the devel under the
terms of development agreement it can be

879
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:50,240
completely residential
>> and they're aware of that.

880
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:53,760
» Yes. Yes. No, they're their intent was
that the ground floor be commercial

881
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,520
given the location. Um they're also
exploring a secondary option. I think

882
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:01,119
they're hoping to uh see how this
meeting went to get response like give

883
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:06,720
some feedback um which we will provide
to them and uh I think they may also be

884
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:10,319
considering a hotel potential. So they
they it may be either or but but this

885
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:13,280
was the path they wanted to proceed with
at this time.

886
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:17,599
» So you're saying hotel and residential
or just a hotel with commercial space or

887
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:21,280
residential with commercial space?
>> They may end up deciding they wish to

888
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:24,240
proceed with a hotel and and we we're
going to get more clarification on that

889
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:28,559
too at the next meeting. But I think at
this stage what they really wanted was

890
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:33,039
initial feedback on the proposal to sort
of set a path forward so they could

891
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:37,359
» Yeah, it's a good project. It's a good
area for development. Yeah. Thank you.

892
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:47,520
Miss Connelly is the owner
just from the like the map you have up

893
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:53,200
right now we have all the sort of you
know overlay on the survey of the the

894
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:58,960
you know parking and buildings etc.
Currently this pit is all owned by one

895
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:05,839
developer who has created
this sort of commercial

896
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:11,200
development with Walmart etc. and they
will also own the building or is this to

897
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:15,520
be subdivided from the larger parcel?
>> They haven't provided that level of

898
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:19,839
detail yet if that if the intention is
to subdivide it off from the larger

899
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:25,200
parcel. Currently the entire thing is
covered by that development agreement.

900
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:28,720
So, in order to do a subdivision,
well,

901
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:32,240
we're getting into details here, but
like it would be likely that if they

902
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,440
were to sell it, they would sell it
independently of the existing

903
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:39,200
development agreement. So, that would
have to be discharged from the site of

904
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,799
redevelopment potentially, but there's
been no talk of that. So, I'm not really

905
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:48,000
sure if that is the intention in the
future or if they would just continue to

906
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,400
um use it and maintain it as as
proposed,

907
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:55,200
» a part of their development. Okay. Okay.
We're not sure on that. Okay. Uh,

908
01:07:52,720 --> 01:08:01,680
councelor McGrath. Oh, sorry, Councelor
Graham.

909
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:10,160
» Um, I my preference or what one idea
might be more grass, more green and less

910
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:15,680
uh pavement and reducing the amount of
parking

911
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:21,159
and then thereby reducing the issue of
crossing the county lines there.

912
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:26,880
So, I'm just that's just a comment, I
guess. Um,

913
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:30,400
» we can certainly pass that along to the
developer if you wish

914
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:35,440
» because there's a lot of concrete and
pavement up there as it is and

915
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:39,997
maintaining as much green as we possibly
could would be favorable.

916
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:42,400
I second that, councelor
[clears throat and cough] Graham. I

917
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:47,199
think I was I was also going to mention
that, you know, if we look at how many

918
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:52,239
spaces are occupied in that development,
you know, on a daily basis. It it just

919
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:57,520
might be something to to think about,
senior planner Connelly, that, you know,

920
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:01,279
maybe some of those spaces could just be
earmarked for the development, but, you

921
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:05,759
know, it does come down to where the
boundaries of the property are going to

922
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:10,719
be and stuff. But I agree. So many huge
parking lots with no trees and it's uh

923
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:16,159
it's old-fashioned and doesn't look
great. So

924
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:18,080
» not only that,
>> not only that, it's just

925
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:24,239
» Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah, we're all over the place here.

926
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:28,400
» Yep. Not only that, it's just not
conducive to healthy living.

927
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:35,440
» Yeah. like unattractive is one thing,
but healthy living for families and

928
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:38,640
» people is important to consider. So,
>> thank you. Sorry for the mixup on the

929
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:44,960
mic.
>> I'm going to let councelor McGrath jump

930
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:49,120
in here because he was next. You go
ahead.

931
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:53,679
» Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I I just
clarification again, you know, around

932
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:59,840
this parking area and the you know the
county Colchester town of Churro line

933
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:05,280
there. Uh right now we're focused just
on this area around building B. Is that

934
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,280
exist is any of that existing parking
there or is that all grass land at this

935
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:14,400
point?
>> So essentially uh from the aerial photo

936
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:19,120
there you see what's there. So the the
bulbous parking area, the loading area

937
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:24,000
with the tractor trailer
>> ends that is existing obviously um and

938
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:27,440
is incorporated into the design that you
can see

939
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:32,719
» here on the on the rendering. So that
will remain in addition to all of that

940
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:36,640
is all new parking essentially that is
provided and shown. So I'm just going to

941
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:40,640
flip back and forth so you can see that.
>> All right. So it the development in

942
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:47,600
question is entirely within a currently
grasped area. the driveway to access the

943
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:50,560
building and the underground parking for
the building. If you go back to the

944
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:55,679
other one, that one, if you hold there
for a moment, the underground parking

945
01:10:52,800 --> 01:11:01,360
entrance is there from that road that is
also used as a service road for the

946
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:06,880
tractor trailers and such to go into and
out of Walmart.

947
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:13,040
Is I guess it's trying to figure out too
is it the same owners who own the

948
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:17,760
Walmart? is do we can I I foresee
potential conflict between residents

949
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:23,440
coming and going especially if we got 70
units uh all this parking and you know

950
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:28,480
potential conflict with uh larger trucks
that would not currently be experiencing

951
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:32,800
any residential traffic in and out of
that area. Is that going to become a

952
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:37,440
conflict point? I guess is where I'm
trying to to head at. And I acknowledge

953
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:43,280
you might not have an answer to that,
but has any of your discussions with the

954
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:45,760
client uh or the developer uh you know,
has it, you know, fleshed any of that

955
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,440
out?
>> No, it hasn't. And you're right, that's

956
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,640
not my area of expertise. It is
important to note too that there are

957
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,840
only 28 spaces that are going to be
provided in that underground parking.

958
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,520
So, it's not a huge amount of volume of
cars and number of cars. And it is

959
01:11:57,679 --> 01:12:05,360
expected that the truck and trailer
traffic would be offset or would not be

960
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:09,120
using that driveway at the same time as
the residential like leaving in the

961
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:13,679
morning at 8:00 a.m. or 8:30 and then
coming home at 5:00. That I think we

962
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:16,560
would ask for clarification on that to
make sure that it would not be a

963
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,520
conflict or at least flag it to them.
I'm not sure what they're planning on

964
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,760
doing there, but that is a good and
valid point to bring to their attention

965
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:28,000
that there could be some concern there.
Well, and that's that's you bring up

966
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:32,000
another good point honestly about the
timing of the truck traffic. Is that

967
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:35,760
expected to mostly be in the middle of
the day when people are at work or

968
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,960
running errands or you know it's at
school or is it going to be in the

969
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,480
middle of the night when people are
sleeping because I know there are

970
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:47,199
overnight shifts at uh certain
warehouses and such to do that receiving

971
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:52,239
because that's when the things come in.
Uh so that might be another uh item to

972
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:55,840
follow up on.
Um,

973
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:02,400
other than that, I mean, I would ask my
standard questions. There's really very

974
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:06,080
little detail in this uh at the start.
Um, I mean, I know it's step one, but

975
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,000
it's still very light on details. We're
not even sure apparently if this is

976
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:14,080
going to be a mixeduse commercial
residential or if it's going to be a

977
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:18,960
hotel. Um, you know, there's a lot of
uncertainty here, but I would want to be

978
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:24,080
asking again, uh, affordable housing,
uh, any of the infrastructure for, you

979
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:30,480
know, electric vehicles, uh, bicycle
parking, uh, any potential, uh, green

980
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:35,280
roofing or rooftop solar on top of that
large amenity space that is as yet

981
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:39,679
undesated other than just as amenity
space.

982
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:44,480
Um, these are all questions I'd love to
see answered by step two, if at all

983
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:48,000
possible, if it even proceeds to a step
two in its its current form. Again,

984
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,679
acknowledging that this could
potentially be something completely

985
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:55,080
different depending on what the uh
developer decides.

986
01:13:55,440 --> 01:14:01,840
» But councelor McGrath, may I clarify and
maybe with the whole committee? So if

987
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:05,520
I'm clear, so
we would you would be asking for them to

988
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:10,080
clarify their intentions whether we'll
be a completely residential building or

989
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:14,480
will it be a mixed use commercial ground
floor commercial with the residential on

990
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,960
top or a hotel use or whatever. So
before you would want to see that come

991
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:21,280
back for a step two, they would want to
clarify exactly what they're going to

992
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:25,920
build on the site. Well, what we have in
front of us today is a mixeduse

993
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:30,800
commercial ground floor residential on
top. And I would support something like

994
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:37,360
that. I have long supported the the
mixeduse uh model. I think it's it's a

995
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:40,800
great way to reduce a lot of our car
dependency. If you can just go

996
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:44,400
downstairs, you've got the Walmart,
you've got, you know, your shops, you

997
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:50,880
got whatever. There's a lot there that
you can easily walk to. Uh I love the

998
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:56,960
mixeduse model. Um, but if it's going to
be a hotel, that changes things

999
01:14:54,719 --> 01:15:00,400
entirely. If it's going to be entirely
residential, I don't think that changes

1000
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:05,040
things much. I would still have the same
questions. Uh, so it really for me comes

1001
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:08,320
down to what we have in front of us or
is it going to be a hotel? And I don't

1002
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:13,120
know if it's a hotel, does that even
come to us? A hotel is as of right in

1003
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,679
the resident or regional service if I'm
not mistaken. The only reason it would

1004
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,040
come before the committee is because
there may be and it's there's no

1005
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,040
requirement that it would be necessarily
come back to the committee, but if

1006
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:25,360
there's an amendment to the development
agreement to to to adjust the permitted

1007
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:28,480
uses in in the terms of the agreement,
then it would have to come back for the

1008
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:31,760
committee. Uh there is also an option
that we partially discharge the

1009
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:35,199
development agreement. Uh we may do that
with or without the county coldester.

1010
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:38,080
These are all questions that we are
currently looking [clears throat] at

1011
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:41,760
getting answers to from the town's
lawyer who was just unfortunately away

1012
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:45,280
on vacation last week. So, we're going
to pepper him with questions tomorrow to

1013
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:49,520
that effect. So,
>> I'm sure he's looking forward to that.

1014
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:53,920
Um, so I guess with the developer
looking for feedback from this committee

1015
01:15:51,760 --> 01:16:00,000
and again acknowledging I am not the
committee but just one member, I would

1016
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:04,239
support a mixeduse uh model in this
area. I think it would be beneficial,

1017
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:08,320
but I would still want to know again the
affordable housing, the rooftop usage,

1018
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:14,080
the you know storm water management
plan, all of the the normal things that

1019
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:20,480
we we would be looking into um for any
development within the town. And

1020
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:24,840
yeah, and I and we see we see where it
goes from there, I guess. Thank you.

1021
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:32,640
» U Miss Deloreia.
>> Um thank you, Madame Chair. I'm just um

1022
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:35,280
echoing counselor Scram's comments. I
would like just to make a statement

1023
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:39,040
about a bigger picture here. I think
this actually makes a lot of sense for

1024
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:44,400
this development because we have um the
hospital, the community center nearby.

1025
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:49,199
Um however, if we are introducing
housing in here, I'd like us to think

1026
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:53,440
what is going to look like 10, 20 years
from now. Um because I don't think it's

1027
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,640
going to be forever a Walmart parking
lot. So I just think that uh we should

1028
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:03,760
be looking at a bigger picture in here
and um maybe get a little bit of the

1029
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:09,920
sense of you know like what is going to
be 10 or 20 years from now um and just

1030
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:17,520
like echoing counselor's grams you know
like an amenity space and greenery and

1031
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:22,239
just making it overall more enticing.
Thank you

1032
01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:25,600
» Deputy Mayor Thomas.
>> Yeah, I'll chime in too. So, if you want

1033
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:31,520
to go back to that aerial shot, there's
an aerial shot of Walmart parking lot in

1034
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:35,360
the area, and we can just see um the
number of cars in the Walmart area,

1035
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:41,120
parking lot area, we'll call it the
Walmart parking lot, but the whole area

1036
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:46,400
and how much free ashalt there is. And
um I'm glad somebody brought this up

1037
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:52,239
because um we have new bylaws. It's my
understanding that uh the new MPS and

1038
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:57,199
the land use bylaws when it comes to
parking lots uh you can have so many

1039
01:17:54,800 --> 01:18:03,440
spaces before you have some sort of
island with some sort of um greenery or

1040
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:10,080
something. And I would love to see uh
this area renovated uh to be far more of

1041
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:14,640
a pleasant um place to shop and a
pleasant a more pleasant place to you

1042
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:20,080
know it increase the quality of of of
the life of the town that it just wasn't

1043
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:26,239
like an you can land a plane in there I
think right um so it should be it needs

1044
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:32,640
to be broken up a little bit to to be
more pleasant and uh and if opening up

1045
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:37,840
the agreement allows for that. Um, I'm
just going to, you know, put my two

1046
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:40,719
cents worth it towards that, you know,
if we can make some changes. Yeah.

1047
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:46,000
» Yeah. We've
>> discussed this 1970 kind of look to it

1048
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:53,120
and it needs to be
>> uh updated to to a more recent um, you

1049
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:58,080
know, town planning vision.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1050
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:03,760
Can
I just procedurally have a couple

1051
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:10,400
questions for um Miss Connelly and Mr.
Fox. So, because this is a little bit of

1052
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:14,960
a it's a unique situation in that we
aren't necessarily being presented with

1053
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:19,120
what the development might look like,
which is fine. I I I don't think that's

1054
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:27,040
too hard for us to wrap our heads
around. But just in terms of what's

1055
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:34,640
being asked I think in um with respect
to the existing agreement

1056
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:40,719
um is not clear. Uh so my understanding
is that you know this this parcel which

1057
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:45,679
is outlined in blue on this map that
we're looking at is subject to a

1058
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:52,640
development agreement. And so what could
take place is that the subject location

1059
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:57,679
is subdivided out and then presumably
the development agreement that is the

1060
01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:03,760
subject of the remainder is uh released
from that parcel and then they may have

1061
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:09,440
something different as as far as what
that development agreement uh says for

1062
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:15,440
that subject parcel location. But what
might take place is that there is not a

1063
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:22,080
subdivision and this location um
basically amends the entire agreement

1064
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:27,199
that applies to the larger piece. So if
that is the case, I think we might find

1065
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:32,000
ourselves in a situation where we might
want to revise other terms of the

1066
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:39,040
development agreement such as the
parking lot itself, which I think we had

1067
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:42,960
discussed at a different um I don't know
if it was the

1068
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:47,520
hospital annex building or something,
but we definitely had this discussion

1069
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:53,280
before. But if either of you could just
speak to those procedural aspects of

1070
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:58,640
this to give us a bit of guidance, that
would be appreciated.

1071
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:01,840
» Okay. I I'm I think what uh the the
situation we're currently facing is

1072
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:06,239
we're being asked by the developer for
feedback on a specific proposal they put

1073
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,760
forward. It is it is admittedly one of
two proposals that were discussed. Um

1074
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:13,600
but I think that's the one they want to
get feedback on. So they're trying to

1075
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:16,560
get a sense for is the town prepared to
support a development of this nature at

1076
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:19,600
that location. So that's kind of the
question before the committee. The

1077
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:23,840
procedural matters dealing with the
development agreement, uh how that gets

1078
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,040
discharged, partially discharged,
amended are those are all three

1079
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:31,840
different options that could be
presented. Uh those all have to have to

1080
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:36,080
be discussed with again the the town
solister before I can give you better

1081
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:41,920
feedback on that because um there the
county is a part a party a um a u party

1082
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:46,159
to the agreement. I think that's the
proper terminology. Uh so there's three

1083
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,520
signatures to that agreement. One was
the company for Walmart, the other was

1084
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,360
uh the town of Turo, and the other was
the county Colchester. So how that gets

1085
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,920
discharged partially or otherwise is a
is a question that has to be answered.

1086
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,960
We'll have an answer for that at the
next meeting. But right now, I think the

1087
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:02,880
big question was that the developer
simply wanted to proceed to this meeting

1088
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:07,440
so he'd get feedback or they could get
feedback on is this proposal something

1089
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:10,239
that the committee would be prepared to
support and that's pretty high level

1090
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,120
question but that's really all they were
looking for and that's why I think

1091
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:17,760
you're not going to find a lot of
answers to the questions you have but

1092
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:20,639
they were quite uh anxious to get it to
this stage so they could get that

1093
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,760
initial feedback.
>> Okay. And that's acceptable. I guess the

1094
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:30,719
only other thing I would ask is if we do
say that we're agreeable, you know, to

1095
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:35,920
to moving on to step two and then the
design changes such that it's a hotel

1096
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:40,400
versus a, you know, what we're presented
with. Do do they go back to step one?

1097
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:44,560
» I would say yes, they would. If they go
back to any step at all because again,

1098
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:48,239
uh, a hotel would be a permitted use in
the zone. Um, and there would be no need

1099
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,800
to come to this committee unless there
was a requirement to amend the

1100
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,719
development agreement. If the agreement
is discharged, that doesn't even come

1101
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:58,400
back to this committee. Uh discharge of
this agreement may be able to take place

1102
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:01,520
accuring to the the way the MGA is the
municipal government act is currently

1103
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:04,800
written can be discharged in whole or in
part by the town's chief administrative

1104
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:09,199
officer. Doesn't even require approval
by council.

1105
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:13,280
» Okay, thank you. That's helpful. Uh,
councelor Graham.

1106
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:18,719
» Um, I was just thinking about the, uh,
commercial mixeduse component of the

1107
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:25,760
application and I would like some
feedback from Miss Connelly or Mr. Fox

1108
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:32,239
um, or Miss Deloreier actually. Um, I
feel that already Walmart pulls away

1109
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:37,679
from our downtown shopping experience to
have mixed use there. Are we further

1110
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:44,239
depleting the opportunities for downtown
shopping? Because I really understood

1111
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:49,520
that um mixed use was especially
beneficial when it's in our downtown,

1112
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:54,560
but here we are putting one way out on
Wade Road. And I'm I'm just looking for

1113
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:58,880
feedback or thoughts or comments on
that.

1114
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:02,560
Um yeah,
the the way the plan is currently

1115
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:05,360
written is we we do have a balance of we
have commercial downtown. We have a very

1116
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,480
different type of niche market that we
look for in the downtown core. So if you

1117
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:12,880
read through the plan the planning
policies and if you recall from our plan

1118
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:15,760
review process there it's not meant to
be we're only going to have commercial

1119
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:18,719
development in the downtown period.
There's meant to be opportunities for

1120
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,360
commercial development to serve
different types of markets in different

1121
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:26,400
areas of town. So a ground floor
development that or sorry ground flooror

1122
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:30,239
commercial in this development may be
catering to a regional service area like

1123
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:34,719
so people who come from all over and
drive to Turo to to buy and do things

1124
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:39,040
while they're at Walmart and that's
okay. Um it's not necessarily going to

1125
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:44,400
compete with the downtown. And that was
the vision in the plan that both can

1126
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:47,520
happen. Um it's it's perfectly
acceptable to have both types of

1127
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:51,920
opportunities for commercial development
in the community and they're both

1128
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:55,840
supported by our policies.
like there's nothing in there that says

1129
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:59,520
we don't want to see any more commercial
development in the re in the regional

1130
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:04,760
service zone. So, we're we're very much
in favor of continuing to have both

1131
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,760
types of commercial development.

1132
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:17,120
» Do we uh do we have any control over the
types of commercial activity that would

1133
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:24,239
happen on that mixed use if it was
there? Do we have input as to like what

1134
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,800
could be there or are we just going to
have to accept whatever moves in there

1135
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:32,000
regardless?
>> You had you had um input into that range

1136
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:35,360
of uses that would been permissible in
this in the regional service zone when

1137
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:41,120
we did the plan review process. So if it
was council's intent to restrict this to

1138
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:44,960
50,000 square foot retail type uses only
like large format retailing only if that

1139
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:49,040
was the intent and that should have been
in the plan. The way it's currently set

1140
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:52,239
up is it allows for a mix because if you
really look at what's in the regional

1141
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:56,719
service zone, especially on Roby Street,
you have some small format retail as

1142
01:25:54,239 --> 01:26:00,560
well as bigger box stuff. So, or large
format retailing. So, it's not an

1143
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:04,880
exclusive zone that says you have to
have this type of retail or this type of

1144
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:10,440
commercial use. It allows a range, a
broad range.

1145
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,440
» Okay. Thank you.

1146
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:22,960
» Okay. Uh well, I think at this point we
can uh unless there's other uh comments

1147
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:27,280
or questions, we can move
I think we can provide the developer

1148
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:30,800
with the feedback that we are open to
some sort of development at that

1149
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:36,480
location. I certainly don't think
there's a you know anybody's saying that

1150
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:41,760
that would be inappropriate and then um
we can wait to hear what they come back

1151
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:46,560
with uh in the future. Is everyone
agreeable to that as our our message?

1152
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:53,600
Okay.
Okay. Well, uh there are a few sort of

1153
01:26:49,760 --> 01:27:00,560
procedural things left on our agenda and
I actually am going to turn the chair

1154
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:06,800
microphone over to our uh vice chair,
councelor McGrath, who's going to finish

1155
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:11,840
the meeting on my behalf. Uh I have to
go pick up my husband from a far away

1156
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:16,639
location.
So, I will see everybody at our next

1157
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:19,639
meeting and councelor McGrath will take
over.

1158
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:48,000
Okay. Thank you to
Madam Chair for turning this over. Uh,

1159
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:52,320
just as an FYI, no one has actually
trained me on any of the technology here

1160
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:56,480
yet, so I'll be relying on Mr. Fox to
help me out with a little bit of this.

1161
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:01,199
But we are moving on to item number
seven on the agenda, the subdivision

1162
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:05,040
bylaw review, which I believe was Mr.
McFersonen. If you were ready, take it

1163
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:09,920
away.
Uh thank you and uh good evening

1164
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:15,520
everybody. So this presentation will
cover the proposed amendments to the

1165
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:20,960
town subdivision bylaw.
Uh so the subdivision bylaw currently

1166
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:24,400
includes an appendix. It's called the
municipal services standards and

1167
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:29,040
specifications.
And the purpose of that appendix is that

1168
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:34,239
it goes through all of the normal
requirements uh for things related to

1169
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:40,159
municipal servicing. So things like road
standards, sewer, water, these sorts of

1170
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:44,800
things. Um and so this bylaw is being
amended as a part of a greater effort to

1171
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:51,360
take all those requirements and put them
out into a separate uh document. And so

1172
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:57,520
the idea is that the amendments that
I'll be covering with you today would be

1173
01:28:54,639 --> 01:29:02,719
um appro or I guess implemented only
after that new standards document has

1174
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:06,159
been created. So these are sort of
pending but we're just getting them

1175
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:12,000
through uh planning advisory committee
at this time. Um so in addition to that

1176
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,719
uh this subdivision bylaw was last
amended in 1998. So some time has

1177
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:21,199
passed. Uh and this means that there are
certain aspects of the bylaw that are in

1178
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:25,440
need of updating or there are errors and
so staff has taken some time to go

1179
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:34,080
through and propose some housekeeping
amendments. So um these amendments are

1180
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:38,880
nonsubstantive in nature. Um finally uh
you'll see some uh updates to the

1181
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:42,960
bylaw's visual style as well as the way
that the bylaw is structured. So the

1182
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:48,639
some of the nitty-gritty stuff like if
it's section 2.3.1

1183
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:54,719
moving it in line with how the other
towns or how the town's other bylaws are

1184
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:58,600
structured where it's 2.3A.
So these sorts of things.

1185
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:06,159
So the process to amend the subdivision
bylaw is the same process uh to adopt a

1186
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:12,000
planning document. Um in the case of
this it's pretty straightforward. Um the

1187
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:17,040
planning advisory committee will make a
recommendation to council and once that

1188
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:21,840
municipal services document is ready to
go. Uh the project would proceed to

1189
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,480
council for them to set a date for a
public hearing and then you would move

1190
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:29,679
on to the public hearing and through the
appeals process. Um but you know that's

1191
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:33,600
the full process.
So I'm going to jump into it. Um I'm

1192
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:36,239
happy to take any questions. I mean
we've got quite a few items to go

1193
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,199
through. So, I'm thinking I'll just stop
every 10 items just to see if anybody

1194
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,400
has any questions and then we'll
proceed.

1195
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:46,560
Uh, I'm going to flag some of the stuff
that uh comes up, but other things that

1196
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:52,320
are similar in nature, I'll sort of just
be moving along, but as I said, happy to

1197
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:57,840
take any questions. Um, so the first one
is to update the name of the provincial

1198
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:02,880
department of health. So,
um, this is in the sections for for

1199
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:08,159
definitions, um, to change it to the
Nova Scotia Department of Health and

1200
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:12,560
Wellness. Uh, number two is, and this,
you'll see this come up quite a lot. Um,

1201
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:16,400
when this bylaw came out, um, the
Municipal Government Act hadn't come out

1202
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:20,239
yet. It was in an earlier form called
the Planning Act. And so this is an

1203
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:24,320
example where we're taking something
from the former planning act, finding

1204
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:30,960
the equivalent section in the MGA, and
then making that adjustment. So that's

1205
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:36,000
number two. Um number three is removing
an outdated reference. So this is um

1206
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:44,600
something that no longer exists in the
plan. And so uh oh, excuse me. Thanks.

1207
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,600
And so it's been removed.

1208
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:53,920
Uh number four is an update to a
definition. Um and this is um

1209
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:57,480
something that was the former planning
act. Um

1210
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:06,880
and yes, it's being changed to the
municipal government act.

1211
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:13,600
Moving on to number five. Um so this is
a um update to ref like a reference of

1212
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:18,480
the old municipal planning strategy. So
um we see this section here that's

1213
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:22,960
that's been crossed out. Um so this is
no longer part of the uh municipal

1214
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:30,040
planning strategy. So the original
intent when that municipal planning

1215
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:30,040
strategy was written um

1216
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:37,840
was to uh excuse me I'm just going to
read through this.

1217
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:42,719
Right. It was to separate the town into
um serviceable and non-serviceable areas

1218
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:48,239
um where the objective is to keep things
non-substantive. We've kept the original

1219
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:51,520
text um but we've gotten rid of a
reference to something that's no longer

1220
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:58,080
in the town's municipal planning
strategy. So um you know that part was

1221
01:32:54,400 --> 01:33:03,600
cut out. Uh for number six, this is
section 4.2. Um,

1222
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:07,040
so this one was about updating a
reference to the old municipal planning

1223
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:13,760
strategy. So this one refers to
secondary development areas. Uh, these

1224
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:18,000
areas no longer exist in town. Um, so
those areas were really meant to refer

1225
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:22,560
to places where you would have on-site
well and septic. Um, which those areas

1226
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:27,040
do still exist in town. They just have a
different name in the current municipal

1227
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:31,280
planning strategy. So
um, that was sort of adjusted. So now

1228
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:35,360
we're looking at the rural residential
and watershed residential zones as

1229
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:39,760
opposed to those secondary areas because
they no longer exist. Um and just

1230
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:46,320
another thing that I'll call out is uh
and you'll see this come up a lot. Um

1231
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:50,159
this bylaw and many bylaws refer to
different provincial departments. Um but

1232
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,199
those departments tend to change, right?
Like the names of departments, they

1233
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:58,880
change every other Sunday. Like they're
very very uh malleable. And so we've

1234
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:02,480
changed the reference to be a little bit
more generic so that it's able to stay

1235
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:08,639
current.
Uh that was number six.

1236
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:14,880
And then number seven
is for section 6.2. Uh and the purpose

1237
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:19,920
is to update outdated uh responsibility
of the Nova Scotia Department of Health.

1238
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:24,719
So this specifically is referring to the
on-site well and septic regulations. Um,

1239
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:28,800
this used to be managed by Nova Scotia
Health. Today, it's managed by Nova

1240
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:32,560
Scotia Environment. As I mentioned,
these responsibilities tend to change

1241
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:38,760
over time, and so we've made the wording
generic to make sure that it's able to

1242
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:38,760
be current into the future.

1243
01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:47,360
Uh, number eight is to update the name
of the parks and recreation department

1244
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:55,840
for the town. And so it's been made
relevant. Uh for number nine, which is

1245
01:34:50,480 --> 01:35:00,480
section 6.3, it is to update the um
responsibility

1246
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,840
of a uh provincial department. So in
this case, it's Nova Scotia Health

1247
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:08,000
again. So we've just updated it to make
it generic so that it's able to stay

1248
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:11,600
current.
And we'll cover number 10 here. So it's

1249
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:16,800
just to replace gendered language. So it
uses the word him. we have developed an

1250
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:20,080
officers that are not male. So, it's
been updated to be generic. So, that's

1251
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:25,960
number 10. So, I'll just stop to see if
anybody has any questions about anything

1252
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,960
that we've covered so far.

1253
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:32,159
» I don't see any questions from the
committee, Mr. McFersonen, but I did

1254
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:37,199
have one quick question on the uh the
gendered language. I think with that

1255
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:40,400
one, the development says replace him in
this section with the development

1256
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:44,639
officer. In my reading of the existing
bylaw, it would say basically the

1257
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:47,520
developing the development officer
something something something the

1258
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:53,120
development officer again is kind of
jumbled in very very uh quickly there. I

1259
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:56,400
mean, we could just say, you know, I
think it's the development officer would

1260
01:35:54,719 --> 01:36:00,560
if it's, you know, it would be filed by
the development officer, maybe just

1261
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:03,360
filed by same or filed by them,
something so we're not just throwing

1262
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:09,679
development officer development off like
peppering it in multiple times just as a

1263
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:12,320
piece of potential uh constructive
criticism.

1264
01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:19,159
» Yep. We can definitely go through and
make sure that that's uh written a way

1265
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:19,159
that's a little less cumbersome.

1266
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:26,560
Okay.
We'll continue. Um, this is another

1267
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:30,960
example of uh,
uh, former planning act and so it's

1268
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,080
referencing sections in uh, the former
planning act that have been converted to

1269
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:40,080
the municipal government act. So that's
number 11. Keep moving.

1270
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:45,119
Another example, a reference to the
former planning act. That's number 12.

1271
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:49,280
Uh, number 13 um, has to do with the the
simplicity of the language. And so there

1272
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:54,719
were some typos in this section. Um,
there were some sort of archaic word

1273
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:57,920
wording like henceforth
and and these sorts of things and there

1274
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:01,520
were some structural issues in the way
that it was written. So it was just

1275
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:06,880
totally rewritten but the overall intent
and meaning is is the exact same. So we

1276
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:12,080
uh we covered that and uh spoke about
what the intent was and rewrote it in a

1277
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:16,639
way that's a little bit more clear.
Uh number 14,

1278
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:21,280
this is another reference to the former
planning act. So it's just been

1279
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:24,960
converted. Number 15, another example of
the parks and recreation department. The

1280
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:31,360
name since been changed and so it's been
adjusted.

1281
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:40,320
Uh 16 is another update to the former
planning act. And 17 is uh an update to

1282
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:45,119
a reference to appendix B. So appendix B
is the municipal standard specifications

1283
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:48,800
document. So as I discussed, we're
taking that out and moving it to its own

1284
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:54,880
uh separate document. So instead of
saying appendix B because that's going

1285
01:37:50,639 --> 01:38:01,280
away, you say going to this document.
So that's the purpose of number 17.

1286
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:06,800
Number 18. Uh this is sort of an odd
case. Um when you look at some of the

1287
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:12,800
older bylaws that towns have, sometimes
the numbering sort of works in a way

1288
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:17,360
where it'll say uh I wish I could
quickly show it. Well, I guess it would

1289
01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:23,119
be possible, but it'll say 9.4 4 and
then right next to it 9.4.1 which is a

1290
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:27,199
typical normally you would have 9.4 and
then some text and then you would go

1291
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,679
down to 9.4.1 4.1.
And so this has been adjusted to be more

1292
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:39,600
in line with the way that the town
structures our um sections. Now,

1293
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:43,360
um and then in addition um number 18
also updates the uh responsibility of

1294
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:48,880
the Nova Scotia Department of Health
just like the previous ones.

1295
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:53,119
Uh 19 is another reference to appendix
B. So that's been changed to reference

1296
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:56,159
the new document. And 20
>> um Jacob, pardon me. I just want to

1297
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:59,440
clarify one item. I just want to make
sure that it is intended to say

1298
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:03,280
subdivision bylaw amendments at the top
of the screen. Is that correct?

1299
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,239
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, I just want to make that clear

1300
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:09,920
to everybody that we're not amending the
municipal planning strategy here. We are

1301
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:13,360
just amending the subdivision bylaw. So,
just a typo, I'm assuming, or left over

1302
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:16,719
from previous presentation. But
>> I can't believe I missed that.

1303
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:20,800
» Just want not a big deal. I just want to
be clear that that's the case.

1304
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:26,480
» It's in front of me this whole time. Um,
okay. So number 20 is to remove

1305
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:30,560
redundant clauses. And so these are
clauses that would be moved over to the

1306
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,520
specifications document. And so we don't
want them in both documents at the same

1307
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:37,520
time because they may conflict. And
there's no need to duplicate them. Sort

1308
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:41,280
of the whole point of moving them out.
And so that's number 20. I'll just stop

1309
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:45,639
to see if anybody has any questions at
all.

1310
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:45,639
» Anyone?

1311
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,400
» I see no questions. Mr. McFersonen,
please continue.

1312
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:52,400
» Okay, we're almost halfway there.

1313
01:39:52,560 --> 01:40:01,760
This is uh number 21. And so this has
just been moved to the new document. And

1314
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:06,320
so the idea is that we're just um
redirecting um some of the the text

1315
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:12,440
that's been stricken out here because it
would be moved to the uh new

1316
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:12,440
specifications. Stock

1317
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:26,080
number 22 um is to it involves um
removing a uh section and then replacing

1318
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:31,040
it. Um and the idea is that um some of
the subject uh the subsections would be

1319
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:36,440
redundant because they would be featured
in the municipal uh specifications

1320
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:36,440
document.

1321
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:51,199
Number 23 um so this is to remove a
redundant clause. So same case it would

1322
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:57,199
be moved. Number 24 is to redirect. So
instead of referring to appendex B, it

1323
01:40:54,239 --> 01:41:00,840
should be referring to u the municipal
specifications document.

1324
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:08,280
25 is the same uh same as 26.

1325
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:18,320
27 reference to former planning act. Fix
that. 28 uh is the name of a provincial

1326
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:26,800
regulation. And so that's been updated
as there's a new name

1327
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:30,320
29. Um, so this is amended to delete a
clause. And the idea is that you're

1328
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:33,840
removing a reference to schedule A
that's not actually featured in schedule

1329
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:38,480
A. So it refers to, I believe, soil
types. When you go to schedule or when

1330
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:43,600
you go to schedule A, it just doesn't
appear at all. And so it's been removed.

1331
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:48,880
Uh, since it doesn't serve a purpose.
Number 30 is to update references to the

1332
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:53,040
former planning act. So that's our 30th.
I'm just going to check make sure nobody

1333
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:57,239
has any comments.
Okay, that's great.

1334
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:06,480
Number 31 is to remove an outdated
reference to the former planning act.

1335
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:10,480
Again, number 32, the same.
Number 33.

1336
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:13,920
Um, so this is another one that's to be
moved to the municipal specifications

1337
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:17,760
document. So it's deleting multiple
sections uh which was done in

1338
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:22,239
consultation with engineering and public
works to make sure that we're sharing

1339
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,880
responsibilities of the documents
appropriately.

1340
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:31,520
» Uh Mr. McFersonson, I do have a question
on that one. Those sections mostly refer

1341
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:36,800
to uh restricting road widths. I'm just
curious why we are removing those or

1342
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:41,159
perhaps that would be a a question for
engineering since they're sitting there.

1343
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:47,440
uh there'll be a municipal uh there'll
be a spec design specifications for

1344
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,560
that. They'll be included in that
document instead of in this one.

1345
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:54,560
» So the document that we're appending to
the and the municipal services standards

1346
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:57,040
and specifications this this information
is going to be moved into that instead.

1347
01:42:56,480 --> 01:43:01,280
» Right.
>> Okay. Thank you. Anybody else?

1348
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:04,520
» Yeah. Please continue.
>> Thank you.

1349
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:12,719
» Uh number 34 is the same. It's just
redirecting to that standards document.

1350
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:20,080
Uh 35 former planning act just another
case of updating to the MGA

1351
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:26,239
36. Uh so this is another case where you
have some u strange numbering that's

1352
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:31,280
been addressed. So um this is um should
really say 12.1A.

1353
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:38,080
Uh but regardless the actual uh
amendment is to um remove appendix G and

1354
01:43:35,679 --> 01:43:45,280
I'll cover that near the end. some of
the appendices have been removed. Uh so

1355
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:51,280
number 37 um is to just update another
forming former planning act to the

1356
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:57,520
municipal government act.
38 is the same.

1357
01:43:54,400 --> 01:44:01,280
39 is is a bit of an interesting one.
Um,

1358
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:06,400
essentially what's happening is that
there's a municipal planning strategy

1359
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:12,560
policy, uh, and that's been updated to
the new municipal planning strategy

1360
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:19,280
policy, the actual effect of that policy
is slightly different. But where the

1361
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:24,719
intent of that section is to essentially
remind that the policy exists when doing

1362
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:30,320
subdivision, um, the effect is
essentially the same. And so the number

1363
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:36,199
of lots uh that it describes is
different but the intent to connect to

1364
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,199
that policy is the same.

1365
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:46,159
Uh this is number 40. So this is another
example of removing uh road width

1366
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:50,239
specifications. And so you know there's
something that uh needs to be moved to

1367
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:56,000
the specifications document as we
discussed.

1368
01:44:51,920 --> 01:45:00,560
41 is to remove an outdated um reference
to appendix B. And so, you know, as

1369
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:05,119
usual, it goes to the specifications
document. And the last one, 42, is to

1370
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:09,520
delete multiple appendices. So, I'll
just go through it there. Uh, one is a

1371
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:13,199
document that shows all of the parts of
the former planning act, at least most

1372
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:17,199
of them, that were used in this bylaw.
That's not something that the town does

1373
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:21,199
for its uh bylaws anymore since those
things are amended, and so you'd have to

1374
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:25,520
keep them up to date. Um, so it's really
not a requirement, so it's been removed.

1375
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:29,280
Um, appendix B is the municipal
standards document. So, of course, that

1376
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:32,880
will go because it'll be its own thing.
Uh, appendix C is the street naming

1377
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:37,920
policy. So, another example of something
that is available, doesn't need to be

1378
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:41,360
attached to the um, standards document.
It's not a practice of the town to write

1379
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:45,520
bylaws this way anymore.
>> And G is the Parkland rededication

1380
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:49,520
policy. So, exact same thing. It's a
policy that already exists and can be

1381
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:54,639
accessed.
uh apart from this one. So that

1382
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:59,280
concludes all of the items covered and
so I'm happy to have any discussion or

1383
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:02,400
answer any questions and uh concludes my
presentation. Thank you.

1384
01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:06,840
» Thank you Mr. McFersonen. Committee, do
we have any questions for planner

1385
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,840
McFersonen?

1386
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:14,280
» I think you've got an easy night, sir.

1387
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:22,560
Um Mr. Fox procedurally is are we
following

1388
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:25,360
a four-step process for this or is this
first and second reading? I assume this

1389
01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:28,960
comes back to committee.
>> So the idea here is that we'd be looking

1390
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:35,840
for a recommendation from the committee
to go to council. So it's just uh um so

1391
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:38,800
recommendation to that we take this set
of amendments and we recommend the

1392
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:43,679
council approve the amendments and go
through that that process of of the

1393
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:47,280
under the MGA for approval of a bylaw.
So that's that's what we'll be looking

1394
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:51,040
for. I think part of the part of the
motion should likely include and I'm

1395
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:53,920
going to put Jared a bit on the or the
director of public work acting director

1396
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:58,800
of public works on the spot a little
bit, but part of that recommendation

1397
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:03,199
should include that the the subdivision
bylaw likely not get adopted as amen as

1398
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:07,600
proposed. The amendments to subdivision
bylaw not get adopted as proposed until

1399
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:12,320
such time as the municipal standard
specification document is is also in

1400
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:15,840
place and ready to to go. Is that kind
of where we under?

1401
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:19,840
Yeah, that would be correct. We want to
have both in place. Yep.

1402
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:23,199
» And I think that's actually in the uh
the recommendation that the planning

1403
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:26,639
advisory committee recommend the council
direct the engineering and public works

1404
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:30,480
department to draft the accompanying
municipal standard service

1405
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:35,040
specifications document.
Okay. So the recommendation would come

1406
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:40,719
forward. I I had a couple of items that
I uh provided to Mr. McFersonen ahead of

1407
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:45,199
the uh meeting including a couple of
other you know some additional uh

1408
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:49,360
instances of gendered language uh some
things were somewhere where it says

1409
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:54,639
primary secondary or when the
requirements of the MGA like some things

1410
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,920
that didn't really make sense now I've
provided him with that list I don't know

1411
01:47:56,159 --> 01:48:02,400
does that need to be amended and put
before the committee again before it's

1412
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:07,920
recommended to council or would that be
something that he could send a draft to

1413
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:07,920
the committee

1414
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:15,040
afterward, how do we
um if they're min if they're minor type

1415
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:18,719
typographical errors, if that's what
we're looking at, I don't think that's

1416
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:22,080
substantive in nature and as long as the
committee's in agreement that those be

1417
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:25,600
included, then I don't think that's a
problem that he takes that as and

1418
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:28,400
incorporates those into the amendment
package that goes before council

1419
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:31,920
provided this committee's in agreement
with that incorporating those changes.

1420
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:34,800
» Okay. So then I guess the question to
Mr. Mcerson, have you had a chance to

1421
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:37,119
look through that list? And would you
agree that they are mostly

1422
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,960
unsubstantive?
>> I would. Yes. And I have.

1423
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:46,239
» Okay. Committee, are you all agreed?
>> And just for my own peace of mind, could

1424
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:52,000
an updated version possibly be sent to
the committee uh prior to it appearing

1425
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:59,280
before council just so that we committee
has the opportunity to review uh in case

1426
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:00,480
there's anything of uh concern?
>> Yes.

1427
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:05,639
» Yes.
>> Great. Thank you. And then we are

1428
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,639
looking for a motion then

1429
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:14,239
move
>> sorry moved by councelor Graham and

1430
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:20,239
seconded by uh Miss Deloreier as read
earlier. Uh all in favor of the motion

1431
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:24,800
please signify by saying I.
>> All opposed.

1432
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:28,880
Motion is carried. Thank you committee
and thank you Mr. McFersonen.

1433
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:33,440
We move on to the next item on our
agenda which is the public notification

1434
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:37,440
process. Mr. Fox, I assume this is with
you.

1435
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:41,639
» Yes. Yes, it is. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Uh one second here.

1436
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:51,360
Is that good there? Okay. Um so yeah,
you may recall a while back, I believe,

1437
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:55,199
uh it was you, Mr. Chair, that raised
this at council uh or perhaps at this

1438
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:59,920
committee. I can't recall now. It's been
a while, but this the issue of of uh I

1439
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:03,440
guess the big issue was uh during one of
the development applications, I believe

1440
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:07,440
it was Wade Road, uh there was a concern
expressed by a member of the of the

1441
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:11,280
gallery that they're a tenant in a
development and did not receive

1442
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:18,000
notification. Uh so the request was made
that staff investigate um how um uh we

1443
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:22,960
do our we conduct our mailouts so that
if there is there an opportunity to

1444
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:27,440
include um tenants as in addition to
what we currently do which is property

1445
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:31,840
owners in the mail process. So just a
bit of background on this um so the c

1446
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:34,400
town currently notifies residents about
development applications in their

1447
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:39,679
neighborhood by sending a letter to all
property owners within 150 meters of

1448
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:42,560
development application. We also post a
development application notice sign on

1449
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:46,000
the subject property. In some cases
there's two signs or even I think we may

1450
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:50,880
have done three in the past but
typically it's one or two signs uh if if

1451
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,880
there's a lot of frontage. Uh we also
post information about the proposal on

1452
01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:59,119
the end upcoming meetings related to the
proposal on the town's website and also

1453
01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:05,440
on social media. So that's our current
kind of process that we do. Um to create

1454
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:08,320
a mailing list uh for the mail out the
town currently relies on the provincial

1455
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,159
assessment role. So that's provincial
property data. Uh this is the only

1456
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:15,920
up-to-date and regularly maintained
listing of residents in a given

1457
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:19,199
neighborhood that includes both names
and mailing addresses. So what we don't

1458
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:23,199
have access to through provincial
property data is the names of tenants.

1459
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:26,320
Uh so this has been sort of the default
that we've always done is we rely on

1460
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:31,760
those assessment roles because that
gives us a nice list of of the property

1461
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:34,480
owners plus their addresses plus that
gets tied to all of our property

1462
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:37,920
information that we maintain at the
town. So, it's a night nice neat package

1463
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:41,920
that's all internal that we can
maintain. Well, we don't maintain it,

1464
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:46,480
but that we can access and that we can
use to create mailing lists. So, we do

1465
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:50,159
not have an access to a current listing
that includes tenants together with

1466
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:54,320
their mailing addresses. So, there is no
listing out there anywhere that I'm

1467
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:58,080
aware of uh that's current and updated
regularly that would include all the

1468
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:03,199
names of tenants in the town of Truro,
including uh and sorry, tenants and

1469
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:05,760
homeowners, property owners, together
with their mailing addresses. So we

1470
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:11,679
don't have access to that. So
consequently only property owners have

1471
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:14,880
been not are currently notified by mail.
Um so concern has been expressed that

1472
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:18,639
only property owners and not tenants
receive this notification and the

1473
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:24,000
committee uh has asked staff to
investigate options for including um I

1474
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:29,119
don't know why my is my mouse doing that
and everybody else is that's getting

1475
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:31,599
odd. Um uh so PAC has asked staff to
investigate options for including

1476
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:34,560
tenants in future mailouts and the
following is a summary of those

1477
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,920
findings. So, actually our summer
student spent a lot of time this year

1478
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:42,719
doing some research with Canada Post.
Uh, so thanks to him for putting a lot

1479
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:45,520
of this information together. Um, so in
terms of cost, just just to give you an

1480
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:48,960
idea of where we currently stand in
terms of what we do typically right now,

1481
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:53,920
a typical mailout involves about a 100
addresses and that usually costs around

1482
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:57,679
it's under $200 typically and the cost
per item including printing is around

1483
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:01,760
uh$150
per item. Uh, and the town charges the

1484
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:04,960
developer just for the cost of the
postage. So we don't charge them for the

1485
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:08,800
cost of the printing, just the postage.
So that works out to be about a$125 per

1486
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:12,880
item that we pass the cost back to the
developer on. Um so that's typically

1487
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:19,040
where we are. So again, we're around
about a 100 mail 100 addresses typically

1488
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:23,040
get caught within that 150 uh meter mail
radius and it usually cost again around

1489
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:27,840
$200.
Um so we looked at a few options and

1490
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:31,840
Canada Post does offer a few different
options for sort of targeted mailing.

1491
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,960
So, one of them is a neighborhood mail
and the next one, and I'll explain what

1492
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:40,560
these are in a second. So, there's
there's a personalized mail option, and

1493
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:43,920
there's also postal code targeting. Um,
so the first one I want to talk a little

1494
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:47,360
bit about is neighborhood mail, which is
where you send bulk mail to all

1495
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:50,159
addresses within a Canada Post mailing
route. I think this would be something

1496
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:53,920
that you might see where you get flyers
and things like that mailed to a bulk

1497
01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:57,920
delivery. We've also used bulk delivery
in the past for when we did a planning

1498
01:53:56,639 --> 01:54:01,440
planning consultation where we would
have sent postcards and things to every

1499
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:06,000
mailing address in the town of Churo,
for example. So, we've done things like

1500
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:09,520
this in the past. Um, this method would
allow the town to send a letter to all

1501
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:14,239
residents within one of Canada Post's
mailing routes. Um, so the area covered

1502
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:18,000
by the mailing route is predetermined
and cannot be altered. So they define

1503
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:21,040
their their mailing routes and we would
just be saying, okay, well there's a

1504
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:24,719
development application in this
particular mailing route, we would

1505
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:28,960
include that. But because 150 meters may
include a couple other mailing routes,

1506
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:33,280
we would include those. Um, and some
mailing routes are quite large and

1507
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:37,040
extend beyond town limits. Often they
would encompass an area with a radius of

1508
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:41,040
1 kilometer or more. So it becomes quite
a large area that would be would be

1509
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:44,960
gathered if we use that concept, the
idea of a neighborhood mail out option.

1510
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:47,920
So the mail routes are too large really
for our purposes and many of the

1511
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:51,599
addresses that would be included would
be well outside of the area impacted by

1512
01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:56,239
a proposed development and perhaps even
outside of the town. Uh and cost would

1513
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:01,040
be about it's not terribly expensive
when you have large numbers of items. Uh

1514
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:04,800
so you're looking at about uh 25 cents
per item when you incorporate in the

1515
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:07,599
printing costs. Uh but because of the
large number of recipients uh that would

1516
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:12,000
be included in the mailing group,
mailouts would routinely cost well over

1517
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:15,440
$1,000 with this option. And I think
another risk which I didn't mention here

1518
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:19,040
but I think is a very important thing to
take consideration as well is you kind

1519
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:22,239
of would if you inundate every address
in town with a public notification

1520
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:26,560
notice for a development application
that happens to be a kilometer from your

1521
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:29,599
home. You may end up desensitizing the
public to getting these notifications

1522
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:33,199
and people wouldn't it's going to be
really difficult for them to decide

1523
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:36,880
which ones are important and which ones
have nothing to do with them. So I want

1524
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:42,080
to be really cautious about maybe
overdoing it a little if we go a route

1525
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:44,560
like this as well. Um, so the other
option that was talked about was

1526
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:47,520
personalized mail. And this isn't really
something that this is just basically we

1527
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:51,119
would have to maintain a list of people
who would be on this. So it's just like

1528
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:55,119
anybody mailing a letter. So we would
have to maintain a database that had all

1529
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:58,880
the uh names and addresses of every
resident in the town of Churro. We don't

1530
01:55:56,719 --> 01:56:02,400
have access to that information. So we
don't per currently possess or have

1531
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:05,679
access to such a database and the town
doesn't really have the resources in

1532
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:09,760
place to create or maintain one. So this
isn't really something that we would be

1533
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:12,960
considering. Uh the last option is
postal code targeting which is I think

1534
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:17,679
the more promising of the three options
that have been suggested. Uh postal code

1535
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:22,320
targeting um allows mailouts to all
residents within a specified list of

1536
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:25,679
post postal codes. Uh so postal code
targeting would allow the town to send a

1537
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:29,599
mail out to all residents within a
within the within a list of postal codes

1538
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:33,840
that maybe um would fall within a
certain distance of a of a development

1539
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:37,679
application. So what Canada Post does is
provide mapping that defines each of the

1540
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:41,360
postal codes in Truro. So they can
provide this. Um they're not it's not

1541
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:45,360
it's something we kind of had to dig for
and talk to people. It's not something

1542
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:49,520
readily available on their website. Um
so town staff could then take this

1543
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:52,800
mapping of each postal code and identify
the postal codes that may fall within a

1544
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:56,320
given radius of development. So if we
knew there was a development on West

1545
01:56:54,159 --> 01:57:00,159
Prince Street, for example, we could
look at the map and say if we draw a

1546
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:04,800
circle around that, a radius around that
of 150 meters, it would pick up maybe, I

1547
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:09,840
don't know, seven, eight, nine postal
codes. And then we could create a mail

1548
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:13,520
mail mailing list um for every well
would just include every address within

1549
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:17,520
that those postal codes. So so Canada
Post would then send out a generic mail

1550
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:23,280
out to every single person within those
every single address within those postal

1551
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:26,239
codes. Um so development notices then
could be sent out including both

1552
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:31,040
property owners and tenants within those
postal codes. So again one of the more a

1553
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:34,159
very promising sounding option for us.
It is well suited to the needs of the

1554
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:37,119
town. It would allow the town to target
specific neighborhoods and properties

1555
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:41,679
within a defined radius of a development
application. And postal code targeting

1556
01:57:39,679 --> 01:57:45,280
does require a minimum of 100 items. So
they have a specified minimum they'll

1557
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:49,920
set this up for. And that's consistent
with the number of notices that we

1558
01:57:46,639 --> 01:57:54,560
typically send out. Um now there is some
drawbacks to this option. So the minimum

1559
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:59,040
mail out is 100 is 100 items but costs
are higher when you reduce like if you

1560
01:57:56,400 --> 01:58:04,639
do a bulk mail out that sorry a postal
code targeting mail out for 500 or a

1561
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:08,560
thousand your costs become much lower.
When you get into a 100 items they

1562
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:13,840
become quite expensive. So for 500 items
for example the costs are 40 42 cents

1563
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:17,760
per item. That doesn't include taxes and
printing. But if you do it for a much

1564
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:21,679
smaller smaller amount, they didn't even
give us this option because you know

1565
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:25,840
they don't typically deal in numbers
smaller than 500 even though they do

1566
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:30,320
allow the 100. Uh your costs are going
to be much higher. It requires special

1567
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:35,280
printing of envelopes and content. So
these all have to be done by approved

1568
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:38,159
smart mail print partners. And there's a
printer in Halifax. I suspect it's

1569
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:41,199
probably Advocate Printing and
Publishing. And there's printers in

1570
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:44,960
Halifax that are the closest printers to
Turo that would be able to do those

1571
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:49,199
types of printing for us because it
requires envelopes printed with

1572
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:53,840
barcodes. I think they actually also
print and and stuff the envelopes. So

1573
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:58,080
you'd have to give them the content. Um
and your cost can be in excess of 60

1574
01:58:56,159 --> 01:59:02,320
cents per item. And that's again based
on 500 items. I suspect it would be

1575
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:06,719
substantially more expensive with
smaller volumes. Uh so postal code

1576
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:09,840
mapping and the other issue here is that
postal code mapping would have to be

1577
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:14,800
maintained and updated by town staff and
would require consistent and regular

1578
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:18,480
communication with Canada Post. Um which
isn't always something that because it's

1579
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:23,040
a third party, it makes things a little
bit more difficult. And also dealing

1580
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:26,480
with uh a separate printer is also a bit
of a challenge as well. And there would

1581
01:59:24,719 --> 01:59:30,000
be some potential time lags there
associated with that. If if we're

1582
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:33,119
dealing with trying to get stuff to a
printer and trying to get stuff out in

1583
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:37,599
the timing provisions we have under our
current five-step process, it may end up

1584
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:42,719
extending our process by could be month
or months if we're trying to deal with

1585
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:46,239
external printers. Um so just in
summary, postal code targeting is the

1586
01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:50,560
only suitable of the op of the three
options. Uh it does meet the town's

1587
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:53,280
needs and would allow the town to notify
both property owners and tenants of a

1588
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:57,360
development application in their
neighborhood. Uh postalo postal code

1589
01:59:55,599 --> 02:00:00,800
targeting costs are a little uncertain
and we weren't really able to kind of

1590
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:06,080
narrow them down anymore because there
was a lot of uncertainty around anything

1591
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:09,840
below 500. Um and until we actually get
into a situation where we had one uh and

1592
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:13,440
do all the leg work involved in setting
that all up, we're not going to really

1593
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:16,320
know what those numbers are. uh but they
are expected to be quite a bit higher

1594
02:00:14,880 --> 02:00:20,560
than our current approach due to the
small size of our typical mailouts. Uh

1595
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:24,080
and also as I mentioned relying on an
outside partner to update maintain

1596
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:27,840
postal code mapping may cause delays and
require additional staff resources and

1597
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:32,000
there's also a concern about the
requirement to use a third party printer

1598
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:34,960
in Picto or in Halifax that will cause
likely cause delays and require

1599
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:40,480
additional staff resources to
coordinate. Uh so just in conclusion um

1600
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:43,679
uh town's current approach using
combination of assign social media

1601
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:46,400
mailouts has always been effective at
spreading the word and allowing all

1602
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:50,000
residents to engage in the Dublin
process. Uh using the provincial

1603
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:54,000
property data to generate the mailing
list has been used in use for over 20

1604
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:57,199
years now and has proven to be a
reliable and accurate source of

1605
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:01,679
information. It's also kind of industry
standard for municipalities across Nova

1606
02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:05,520
Scotia. And also I just got confirmation
Toronto does the same thing with Ontario

1607
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:08,639
property data. They don't there's no
there's no magic solution out there

1608
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:10,000
where we can maintain an accurate list
of tenants.

1609
02:01:09,599 --> 02:01:13,040
» Mhm.
>> Um so during this time of the last 20

1610
02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:15,840
years that we've been doing this,
there's been no evidence provided that

1611
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,719
would suggest that the town's current
approach has been ineffective at

1612
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:22,960
notifying the public of a development
application in their neighborhood and

1613
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:27,280
staff do believe that the current
process is effective and it's

1614
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:32,560
recommended we maintain the status quo.
And that concludes my presentation.

1615
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:38,320
» Thank you for that, Mr. Fox. Just a
question on the postal code targeting.

1616
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:44,080
If there are tenants in that postal code
radius that the

1617
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:49,760
mailout went to that home to the
tenants, are we also potentially missing

1618
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:53,840
the property owner? if they don't live
in that area, they simply own the the

1619
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:58,080
pl, you know, if it's a private home
that's rented out, does that homeowner

1620
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:02,239
then potentially miss out and will we
have to also do the existing mail out to

1621
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:05,040
the
>> Yeah, I suspect you would be correct and

1622
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:08,639
I didn't think about that's a good point
because we would have to we would miss

1623
02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:11,760
the the property owners. It would just
be the address.

1624
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:16,000
» So, we would possibly have to do both
which further complicates and uh and

1625
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:22,560
increases costs.
>> Yeah. Um and I think one of the other

1626
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:27,679
options we could consider um is we could
look at uh maybe some sort of policy. I

1627
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:31,199
would hesitate hesitant to suggest a
bylaw, but a requirement that landlords

1628
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:34,000
who receive notification of a
development application are required to

1629
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:37,679
post notice of the application in their
lobby in a common area in their

1630
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:40,480
buildings might be another option.
Something to that effect. We can

1631
02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:45,360
investigate that a little bit more as a
potential option. Um yeah, because they

1632
02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:48,560
do receive the notice as the landlord.
It's just whether or not they pass it on

1633
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:52,800
to their tenants is another question,
>> right? I think that might bear some uh

1634
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:56,960
bear, you know, be worth some
investigation. Uh we have questions. Uh

1635
02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:04,480
councelor Graham.
>> Um sir, a question comment. Um

1636
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:10,400
so your comment in your conclusion um
says that we're um there's no data or no

1637
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:14,960
evidence that it hasn't has not been
effective. Well, I beg to differ there

1638
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:18,880
in that we had residents tell us that
the me method was ineffective, which is

1639
02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:23,199
why it came to the committee in the
first place because they hadn't been

1640
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:28,639
receiving the information and they
weren't able to participate in a way

1641
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:32,320
that was um successful for them.
>> So, I guess I would counter to that

1642
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:36,480
because they were at the meeting. So,
they were here present not notifying us

1643
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:40,960
that they hadn't received notification
of the meetings. So I would argue their

1644
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:44,480
presence in the in the gallery suggested
contrary that in fact they were aware of

1645
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:48,239
the application and and were able to
participate because that's that

1646
02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:52,480
application if it's windro I'm pretty
sure that's what it was that's only

1647
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:55,520
going to uh it's going to public hearing
now so they're they've been well

1648
02:03:53,840 --> 02:04:01,520
informed of the application process
early on in the in it.

1649
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:06,400
» Okay. Um
I think that one individual may have

1650
02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:10,480
been speaking on behalf of others in her
uh

1651
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:16,960
there's rowousing there that uh and many
of them um were unaware and she may have

1652
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:23,280
been speaking on behalf of others who
hadn't been aware. Um, I also like to

1653
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:29,440
look at the issue through an EDIA lens.
And uh when I do that, I feel that uh by

1654
02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:34,480
not communicating in the same way with
all of our residents within a certain

1655
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:41,440
radius, we aren't thinking through an
EDIA lens because we are only um

1656
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:46,800
communicating by mail out with people
who pay taxes in that case. And we would

1657
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:51,599
not be, you know, looking through the
NDIA lens in that case. And and I guess

1658
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:55,280
I would also point out that probably the
most effective means we have of

1659
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:59,199
notifying any resident of a development
application in their community is likely

1660
02:04:57,199 --> 02:05:03,840
not the mail out anyway. It's likely the
sign. Um and social media is also

1661
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:08,159
another option. So there are multip this
is only one part of a multifaceted

1662
02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:12,800
approach to how we notify residents of a
development application. Um, and I I

1663
02:05:10,639 --> 02:05:17,679
guess you gota I mean we could hand
deliver notices like how far do you go

1664
02:05:15,199 --> 02:05:22,400
in reasonable and and how much do we
spend of towns taxpayer dollars or the

1665
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:26,560
developers resources to do a proper
notification if and I use the word

1666
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:30,880
proper like I don't mean to say proper
but one that everyone thinks is ex

1667
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:35,199
extensive or exhaustive enough to get
the word out. Um I think we're currently

1668
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:38,480
doing that. I mean we could go further.
Yes, it could be better. Yes, like I

1669
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:41,679
said, we could hand deliver notices to
every property in town, but we don't

1670
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:45,040
have the resources to do that. I think
what we're currently doing with the

1671
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:49,920
three different approaches, social
media, town's website, but also and then

1672
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:53,679
the signage and then the mail out to the
property owners, we're covering all the

1673
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:57,119
bases because property owners really the
intent there when you mail to a property

1674
02:05:55,360 --> 02:06:00,639
owner is you get those absentee
landlords or the landlords that live in

1675
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:04,719
Halifax or Toronto, they're getting
notification of it as well. Mhm.

1676
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:07,679
» Um the people that are directly impacted
by it that live in the neighborhood are

1677
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:14,159
going to see the sign. If they don't see
the sign, well then it's not probably

1678
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:20,880
not affecting them.
>> I don't know. Um the last comment uh or

1679
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:25,199
question I have on the subject is with
regard I understand the cost and I

1680
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:30,000
understand that that is a consideration.
I wonder if we could reconsider the fee

1681
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:36,159
structure so that the developer does
bear more of the cost to uh consider

1682
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:43,119
this option.
I mean they are their pockets can

1683
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:45,520
sometimes be quite deep.
Would that be a barrier? Is that why

1684
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:48,719
you're hesitant?
>> Uh no I'm also I'm a little hesitant

1685
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:51,920
because it's not always a big developer
that does a development agreement

1686
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:56,400
application. So we do have people who
are adding you know

1687
02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:59,440
We've had some pretty small development
agreement applications in the past. So

1688
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:03,440
it I mean we tried to eliminate that.
Most of most of it now goes through site

1689
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:06,159
plan approval uh the smaller stuff but
it doesn't mean that we're still not

1690
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:10,159
going to see someone come forward to do
an amendment who doesn't have the means

1691
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:12,159
of a large development corporation
behind them.

1692
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:18,239
» So
>> it's true. Um I I understand what you're

1693
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:22,560
saying, but many of our developments or
the vast majority I would say that are

1694
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:27,840
not through site plan development
agreements are multi-million dollar

1695
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:33,119
developments. A couple more thousand
dollars really isn't going to

1696
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:36,800
» So and that's true in this climate of
every cost we pass along to developer,

1697
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:40,480
we have to be mindful of where that
ultimately gets paid. So we try and keep

1698
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:43,679
development costs low for the reason
that where they end up being coming out

1699
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:47,360
of the pockets of the tenants who
actually end up in the building. So in

1700
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:52,239
an effort to keep cost down we try we do
as a town our pro our approach has been

1701
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:56,320
to keep the cost minimal for the
application process the to get the

1702
02:07:54,079 --> 02:08:02,480
approvals and do all that. Um and
there's a lot of negative

1703
02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:06,159
press and media around the idea of uh
putting all these fees structure in

1704
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:09,840
place that you end up driving up the
cost for the development. So being

1705
02:08:08,079 --> 02:08:13,840
mindful of that, we do try and keep the
cost low uh for the developer when they

1706
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:17,679
come in to make application for a
development.

1707
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:20,960
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Next up, we have Deputy Mayor

1708
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:25,199
Thomas.
>> Yeah. The only I just want to say that I

1709
02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:30,000
agree with your conclusions. I think
it's a I think it's a reasonable

1710
02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:36,320
conclusions to after listening to your
report. The only thing that I would add

1711
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:43,599
and it might be more profitable and be
better at notification is uh and I'd

1712
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:47,920
like to cons you to consider um uh
increasing the signage somehow. So

1713
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:55,040
sometimes those development agreement
signs are 2 by3 or so and u you know

1714
02:08:52,079 --> 02:09:00,880
they're nailed to a tree or whatever and
you know they're not that visible and I

1715
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:05,760
was just wondering uh would we consider
expanding those so that they're more

1716
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:12,320
substantial in other words they would be
a larger sign even with um some sort of

1717
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:18,639
rendering of the proposed project for
the site so people can see the design,

1718
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:24,880
see the proposed uh what's being
proposed and then say, "Oh, well, you

1719
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:30,239
know," and so that gives them an
introduction to the the project and they

1720
02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:34,159
can go online for further information.
That's the only suggestion I have is

1721
02:09:31,920 --> 02:09:38,639
just expanding that signage so it's more
prominent and uh so people in the

1722
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:43,040
neighborhood and I think you're right. I
think this is the the best way to notify

1723
02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:49,360
people is through through signage and I
think our signage could be better and uh

1724
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:54,159
from a you know uh having more
information and more visual information

1725
02:09:51,520 --> 02:10:00,400
rather than just the writing on it. Um
but actually a depiction of what's being

1726
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:06,079
proposed. I think that that has I think
that'd be a far better way of getting

1727
02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:11,760
people notified than than sending it out
to postal codes. So, and I I don't

1728
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:16,719
disagree. I've had I do like the idea of
having um the image on the signage. The

1729
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:20,719
challenge we always has we always Sorry.
We always

1730
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:23,760
we always have is that
>> it changes.

1731
02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:25,440
» Yeah. So, we're putting up a sign that
shows

1732
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:28,320
» you can say that.
>> Yeah. It's just that usually when we're

1733
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:31,840
trying to get people here is that step
two and we don't want to show them a

1734
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:34,719
picture of a a box like like what you
know what you see that you know

1735
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:37,440
» I know I know I didn't say it wasn't
wasn't fraught with problems. [laughter]

1736
02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:40,880
But
>> but I do I don't disagree that we could

1737
02:10:39,199 --> 02:10:45,199
have a larger sign and we could look at
how if is there a way to make them more

1738
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:47,520
visually like pop a little bit more.
>> Um

1739
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:51,440
» but even if it was said you know it's
proposed a you know a sixstory building

1740
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:56,719
it's going to look something like this
or it was being proposed as a fourstory

1741
02:10:53,599 --> 02:11:01,440
building or because people s are sort of
get excited about the size and the the

1742
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:05,840
bulk and the mass of the building. If
they could have some sort of idea about

1743
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:10,400
that, then that would, you know, say,
well, you know, it's appropriate or gee,

1744
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:14,239
I don't think this is appropriate and uh
and and it would get them to go on to

1745
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:18,159
the website to learn for more
information.

1746
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:21,480
» That's just a suggestion. I I'll leave
it at that.

1747
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:29,040
Further to the deputy mayor's point
about the signs and any sort of

1748
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:34,639
representation,
um I mean we put this information on the

1749
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:39,360
town website. Is it possible to put a QR
code or something on the sign that leads

1750
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:41,679
to the town website that somebody
walking by could be like, "Oh, what

1751
02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:44,880
what's this about?"
>> Yeah, we did do that. We had did that

1752
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:48,719
for a long time, but I don't think we do
it anymore. We kind of stopped, got away

1753
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:52,960
from it. But we can certainly do it
again. It's not a problem to add the QR

1754
02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:56,320
code. Um, and if we make a bigger sign,
it might be

1755
02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:00,079
» Sorry, you guys have
>> No, you were right. The QR code does

1756
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:04,719
appear on the mail letters, but they're
not on the development application sign,

1757
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:08,480
» right? So, so we might be able to to
I'll look into options for adding that

1758
02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:11,840
again. Um, and maybe looking at a
slightly larger sign to see if that's

1759
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:16,639
something that's feasible. I don't know.
Like, right now the signs are 24 by 36,

1760
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:20,239
2 feet by 3 feet, I think, is the
standard size. I'll have to make sure

1761
02:12:18,159 --> 02:12:23,520
like we we work with local printers. I'd
rather I want to be really careful that

1762
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:28,320
we don't force every printing job to go
to Halifax or something like that as

1763
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:31,520
well. But we'll we'll um we can come
back with a few options on what that

1764
02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:35,040
might look like and some potential
designs, I guess, to I'm hesitant to do

1765
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:39,360
design by committee, but we can
certainly give you an idea of maybe what

1766
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:43,119
we're thinking would be a better format
for the sign and maybe something a

1767
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:46,960
little bigger. Again, trying to keep in
mind that we're, you know, trying not to

1768
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:51,800
make cost to be too cost
somewhat cost effective with the money

1769
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:51,800
that's being spent.

1770
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:58,280
» Yeah. Yeah. And they do.
>> Yeah.

1771
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:09,199
» You know, the big sign here and
I think particularly if there's a

1772
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:13,679
depiction of the proposed development on
it, but I understand the problems around

1773
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:16,480
that. So, I'll just leave that. Yeah.
And one of the things we looked at in

1774
02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:20,719
the building bylaw, I believe, was when
they do a hoarding around a site that we

1775
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:24,320
did ask them to have details about the
proposal, contact information, and

1776
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:27,199
perhaps like rendering of the proposal,
but I could look at that because that

1777
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:30,719
would be a little more appropriate time
to well, not really appropriate because

1778
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:34,560
I guess it's already approved at that
point. Anyway,

1779
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:38,159
» can you but what can't what can't you
know another option might be to put up

1780
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:42,480
the sign and leave
>> you know there's a blank area on the

1781
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:46,400
sign that then is has a sticker that you
put off when you get to get to section

1782
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:51,360
you get to
>> you know just before the public

1783
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:57,119
» you know when we're at stage three walk
over and you put that on that that area

1784
02:13:54,400 --> 02:14:01,679
there and everybody knows now what is
being proposed and it has on it also the

1785
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:05,199
date of the public hearing
Angie and I remember doing the stickers

1786
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:06,560
on the first signs we used to do. So
there you go.

1787
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:08,400
» Okay, that's what you're laughing.
>> It was the lettering though. It was

1788
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:12,639
lettering.
>> Oh, lettering. Well, anyways, those are

1789
02:14:10,719 --> 02:14:18,480
so I think we can be quite creative,
right? And the change the sign can

1790
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:24,000
evolve as the project evolves and and
and what the information that it gives

1791
02:14:20,800 --> 02:14:28,639
can evolve as the process evolves.
>> It's a little more work, but I don't

1792
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:34,199
think it's it's uh I think it's less
expensive than this mail out. and I

1793
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:34,199
think it could be more effective.

1794
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:42,639
» Uh, any other questions for Director Fox
on this topic?

1795
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:46,639
» I have one procedural type question. Mr.
Fox, you said you can take this away. Do

1796
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:50,639
you need an an additional motion to
investigate that or can that work be

1797
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:52,880
done under the uh continuation of the
previous motion?

1798
02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:56,560
» I think I'm struggling to recall when it
was raised. If it was raised at at this

1799
02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:59,599
committee or if it was raised at
council. If it was raised at council, we

1800
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:05,063
should probably have a recommendation
from the committee if and

1801
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:08,480
I don't recall when it was raised.
[sighs]

1802
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:18,000
» I know that I raised it and it was in
relation to the um the the wind road.

1803
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:21,520
» Uh but I think I think it may have been
made at the council

1804
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:26,159
» following
>> I think it was made at the following

1805
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:29,440
council meeting. So we could I don't
know. Do should we ask for a

1806
02:15:27,840 --> 02:15:35,599
recommendation from committee then to
continue the investigation

1807
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:38,480
» or can you continue on with the previous
motion from the council meeting?

1808
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:41,440
» I think we stay with the status quo
that's set out in in the municipal

1809
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:46,400
planning strategy for the the
notification process which is what we

1810
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:50,480
currently do but investigate options for
um increasing the visibility of the

1811
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:55,199
signs and and enhancing the information
on the signs.

1812
02:15:53,119 --> 02:16:02,800
Okay. Uh, does somebody want to make
that motion or recommendation

1813
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:09,560
for council to ask staff to look into
re revisiting the impact of the

1814
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:09,560
development agreement signs?

1815
02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:17,520
Mr. Delore has moved. Do we have a
seconder?

1816
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:23,040
Deputy Mayor Thomas seconds. Uh, any
discussion on the motion?

1817
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:29,199
All in favor, please say I.
All opposed.

1818
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:34,080
Motion is carried. Thank you, committee.
Next up on the agenda is our next

1819
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:39,519
meeting, which I assume would be
September 28th if it is. Yes, September

1820
02:16:37,679 --> 02:16:43,519
28th.
And we are looking for a motion to

1821
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:49,399
adjurnn.
Moved by Councelor Graham. Thank you,

1822
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:49,399
committee. We are adjourned.