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All right, I'm going to call it word to date's work session 7 p.m. roll call. We've got one, two, all of us are here, Lisa. You got us there. All right, we're going to move on to the pledge of allegiance.

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We have well-root family services here with us tonight for 155 years. Well-root family services has been leading the effort to transform the lives of children and families in Georgia.

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Well-root cares for and encourages the growth and healing of children, young adults and families facing challenges or trauma in Georgia.

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You may remember them as the Methodist Children's Home, but in 2018, they became well-root family services for collecting both the national movement away from a way from a congregate care to foster care and the expansion of their services.

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Tonight we have Sharon Brewer and Lee Ann Ells, Sharon as the Community Cultivator and Lee Ann as the Vice President of External Relations, and there are also our neighbors here within the office part.

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So welcome. Thank you for being here. We're ready when you are.

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Thank you ladies. Thank you.

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All right, we're going to move on to public comment. Our rules of decorum come from Roberts Rules of Order.

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Our meetings are held in accordance with Georgia's Open Meeting Act. We will call up those that sign up to speak and then open up to those in the room.

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If you signed up by a mistake, feel free to say pass when your name is called. You will each have two minutes to speak, but keep in mind that neither council nor I can respond during this time.

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Lisa? No one. Anybody? Anybody?

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Going once going twice? All right, sold.

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From public comment.

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Michael, did you want to speak? I'm told you we're going to speak now. Come on.

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That's public comment.

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Thank you for giving me first time attendee.

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I'm Mike or her camp, and I've lived in Tucker. What is Tucker since 1990? My first 12 years in what's now district two.

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And since then, in district one, we're on currently the President of the Smoke Rise Civic Association, or SRCA.

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And my interest in being here tonight is in regards to our iconic landmark monument at Rosser Road.

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And you, how?

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And I was last here on March 24th, seemed to be preserved in light of the proposed changes to that intersection, but is now in peril.

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I just want to put out that landmark to my knowledge has existed in its present form in that location.

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For 30 years, it's been well maintained by the neighborhood.

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We provide landscaping, electric, power, insurance, and our currently planning to upgrade the modality in there.

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So I'm hoping that, again, is the first time attendee.

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This is early in the planning stage there.

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And it's our hope in SRCA that the city will be good scouts with respect to any change at that intersection.

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And as any tenderfoot in true paid 76 would know, if you're a good scout, when you go into the location, you leave it in as good if not better condition.

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Then when you found it, so I just in wrapping up what I offer the participation of the SRCA board in any planning that may be going on.

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And urge council and city planners with apologies to Johnny Mitchell to not acting haste and pave paradise to put in a turning lane.

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And possibly consider an alternative number four, putting in a traffic light at the current location.

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All right, thank you.

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Anybody I need to remind out there?

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Everybody's good?

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All right, excellent.

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Thank you.

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And move on to Mayor's opening remarks.

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And we are going to start with a proclamation tonight.

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In recognition of Tucker Resonate, Kayla Chen for receiving the Georgian Asian Pacific American Bar Association Rising Star Award.

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So I'm going to ask council to come down with me.

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I want you to move here so we can see you.

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Right here.

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See you right here so you can see you.

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Let's do a picture first.

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There we go.

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This is one of my campaigners.

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Very proud of our campaign.

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All right, whereas the city of Tucker proudly recognizes residents whose professional excellence, leadership and service strength in our community and inspire others.

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And whereas Kayla Chen, senior vice president and wealth strategist at Truis, has distinguished herself through her work helping individuals and families achieve their financial, tax, estate, and business succession planning goals with compassion, expertise, and integrity.

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And whereas Kayla Chen has demonstrated a strong commitment to mentorship, leadership, and advancing the legal profession through her dedicated service with a Georgia Asian Pacific American Bar Association,

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including serving as co-chair of the Women's Leadership Network, chair of the Gallic Committee, and member of the Board of Directors.

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And whereas the Georgia Asian Pacific American Bar Association has honored Kayla Chen with its prestigious Rising Star Award, recognizing her outstanding contributions to the Gopaba,

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Community and the legal profession.

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And whereas Kayla Chen's professional accomplishments included this distinguished legal career in the state planning, probate, fiduciary litigation, and corporate representation, as well as becoming a nationally recognized speaker on a state trust and tax planning topics.

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And whereas beyond her professional achievements, Kayla has shown a deep commitment to service and community engagement, including serving on the Board of Directors of the St. Andrews Presbyterian Church Free School.

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And whereas Kayla's leadership, dedication to mentorship, and commitment to community service reflect the very best of the city of Tucker, and serves as an inspiration to future generations.

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Now, therefore, I am learner, Mayor of the city of Tucker, Georgia, do hereby recognize and congratulate Kayla Chen for receiving the Georgia Asian Pacific American Bar Association Rising Star Award,

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and extend the appreciation and pride of the Tucker community for her many contributions and accomplishments.

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Just a few more announcements. The Henderson Park Master Plan survey ended with over 1,000 responses.

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There will be more opportunity for public engagement at our two-day open houses here at City Hall, June 5 and June 6.

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I would make a joke right there, but I won't.

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I'm not going to cut down all the trees. I'll put me to events.

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TKR summer of fun. First Friday concert is June 5th at the Tucker Town Green featuring land slide.

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What band do you think that's your tribute to, y'all?

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It would make very good music starts at 7 full schedule and details can be found at TuckerGA.gov.

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Backslash summer.

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Moody's on the Green was canceled last Thursday, and we were attentively rescheduling it for this Thursday, for Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.

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But honestly, the weather's not looking great for this Thursday either, so stay tuned, right?

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Community run events for the next two weeks. June 13th is the Tucker Cruz in our main, and the June team Jubilee is at North Lake Mall.

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Check our website calendar for event details.

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And as a reminder, we typically reserve our second meeting of the month as a work session where we hear presentations and have conversations together.

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Get our questions answered.

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So that's it for our mayor's opening remarks.

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I'm going to move to approve the agenda because I need to make a change.

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We're going to remove G1 presentation.

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Dr. Sauce had a personal matter come up. He called me yesterday.

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And so I told him, please don't worry about us and that we can reschedule this come August.

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I believe August or September. So I move that we approve the agenda and scratch G1 and then move up the subsequent numbers second.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favor?

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All right, Lisa.

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Thank you. So we're going to move right on to presentations.

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And we're going to go now to G1, Hugh Howell Road.

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Water main replacement.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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We've met with our the cab county liaison some six months ago and it was really good meeting.

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They showed us a number of their upcoming projects.

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They have on the docket and the spirit of cooperation and coordination.

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And they showed us the fact that they're planning to upgrade their water line on Hugh Howell Road.

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And the bells went off and we said, well, we have several planned projects on Hugh Howell Road.

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We want to make sure we coordinate that.

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And we've been doing that.

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And I think the plans are about 30% complete on the the new water line.

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And we want to make sure, obviously, that our intersection improvement roster road and our future trail and things like that.

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We want to make sure we don't construct something and have it torn up or or whatever.

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We want to do it one time.

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The water operation has been good, but I'm going to let them go over the project and we'll answer any questions.

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We have Tiffany Simpson with the cab water shed management and then.

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But their consultant is freeze and nickels, so we have Elena Landrum.

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Good afternoon again. My name is Tiffany Simpson. I'm the cab county watershed. I am the project manager for this project. And of course, I'll be working closely with freeze and nickels.

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Just to give you an introduction, we'll talk about project need, project limits, alignment decision and impacts, pros and cons of night work, and propose IGA with city of Tucker for road resurfacing.

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That's intergovernmental agreement.

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Well, I'll go ahead and hand it over to freeze and nickels to start on the project.

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All right. I am Elena Landrum, professional engineer at Free Cynicals.

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So just to go over some background of this project, it's a water main replacement project.

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That was identified through to cab counties, water master plan, and it is funded through to cab counties, capital improvement projects or CIP program.

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And just some big picture goals of this project are to overall enhance the resiliency of the infrastructure throughout the county, reducing service outages, improving efficiency,

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and just supporting future demand and growth throughout the cab county.

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So looking closer at our project limits.

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The extensive this project include abandoning and existing eight inch as best as cement pipe, water main from mountain creek trail along Kuhal Road down to Lillburnstone Mountain Road.

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So for the first or I guess the northwest half of this section on this figure,

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there is a parallel existing water main that we are just going to be reconnecting the side streets into.

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But then this dark bold line for the bottom half of this figure is where we're going to be putting in a new 12 inch ductal iron pipe water main.

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So that's the extensive our construction will be or the extensive construction within Huhal Road will be from Canova Drive down to Lillburnstone Mountain.

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And our construction duration is estimated to be 12 months and schedule to begin in late Q4 of this year.

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To give a little more background on the design process of the project, we are closer to about 90% design on the water main replacement right now.

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Earlier on in design we considered a we considered two alignment options placing the water main in the right of way outside of the pavement or placing alignment within the pavement of Huhal Road.

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Ultimately the right of way alignment was eliminated due to considerable impacts to project schedule cost as well as public impacts with considerable tree clearing.

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So we chose to go with the pavement or pavement alignment.

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This would allow us to have a shorter construction schedule with minimized easement acquisition minimized tree clearing.

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But then some of the bigger impacts here include open cut installation traffic control.

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A minimum of a one lane closure essentially while we're constructing the water main in the road.

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Along with that wanted to talk a little bit about how night work for the construction crew would minimize an impact to the community during during the whole construction duration.

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So going a little bit into pros and cons of night work.

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The biggest benefits include reduced traffic disruption easier lane closures since there's lighter traffic at night as opposed to during business hours during the day.

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There's potential for schedule acceleration with this option as well and overall just a lower impact for the businesses and residents along the corridor.

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However some higher or I guess some cons include higher worker safety risk for the construction crew as well as potential for noise and light complaints from construction on the around the corridor.

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So with that I'm going to pass it back to Tiffany to talk through the.

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Again we are looking forward to the proposed IGA with the city of Tucker.

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We looked at this for intentional timing of installation of the new water main before planned resurfacing of you how road.

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This will minimize duplicate road resurfacing work minimize disruption to the community.

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So our plans for decay aspect of it is we'll do the temporary resurfacing of the pipe trench and then city of Tucker will come in and do the permanent resurfacing curve to curve.

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This will minimize having to go in.

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Doing the resurfacing twice.

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In conclusion this project is needed of course to improve the cab counties water system and operations.

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It's about 8,000 when you're feet of 12 inch water main on who how road.

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Again the construction will take about 12 months estimated.

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Quarter four of 2026 construction and pavement requires traffic control night work is recommended to minimize traffic disruption.

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And we are looking forward to the proposed I do IGA with city of Tucker for road resurfacing on who how road.

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And I'll hand it back over to Ken.

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Thank you for the presentation. I just wanted to add about this proposed IGA.

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So if there were no IGA what they would do is they would saw cut.

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Lane the northern lane I guess it would be the westbound lane if you have road that saw cut at 8 feet wide.

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Dig a trench and install the water line put it back.

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Catch it and then we would require them to resurface the road to the center line.

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It's kind of owners to make them pave the whole road since they're not disturbing the whole road.

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If they were a developer that's what we would do would say you have to pave to the center line.

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Well you how road has not been resurfaced since we were a city.

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So it's been at least 11 years back when it was a state route.

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So it really needs to be resurfaced so rather than do half of it at a time that didn't really make sense we want to pave the whole road.

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So again what what their plan is to do would would be to to trench the eight feet.

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Install the water line put it back and only patch that eight feet and then we would come back.

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Our contractor to resurface the entire road so this IGA would be some kind of call sharing effort on that.

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All right any questions.

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Thank you so much for the presentation.

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I've got a few questions.

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First question I actually just occurred to me is about the tie-ins.

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Could you tell me a little bit more about that in the impact to the community with those tie-ins because you got the little black lines to go throughout all the way down to Kanawa.

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So there will be a little bit of work done there is that basically.

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Okay and I'm just curious what the impact would be with like the road like you know.

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It is oops sorry all the things all the things that you know might not have as much impact as the straight line but could have some impact to the city.

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Yeah I totally understand that I.

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I believe all of these side street crossings are going to be trenchless installation rather than cutting across the open road.

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So for I guess to explain a little bit more the existing.

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12 inch water main is along the north side of the road on that section.

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So any water mains that we're connecting in from the south there's going to be.

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Basically a jack and bore pit that's dug like on one side of the road and they bore under the road so it won't actually be impacting.

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So the pavement on top of the road basically in those in those sections and then in these areas where.

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We're connecting in from the from the north side of the road it the extensive that construction will stay outside of pavement as well.

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As as much as feasible I think maybe there there might be a couple of open cutting of side streets but I don't believe there's proposed open cutting of you have a cross in that top section.

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I'm sorry I accidentally turn my.

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I apologize.

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I'm having a hard time with this microphone tonight apparently but you know concerns about the impact to their yards.

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Being on their property what kind of impact do you think that will be with with the with the recommendation.

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So if there is a resident that is concerned they can probably my business car.

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We can look at their individual.

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Thank you.

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Now as far as a couple other things real quick that I was on your website today I was on Decab County's website.

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Our Decab County website I guess and they had really comprehensive information.

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They've you guys will be planning on sitting out letters and all that stuff you'll do that for the community around this project as well.

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What is the reach on that when you send out the letters.

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It's depending on.

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I would say I think it's 24 to 48 hours in advance.

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When construction starts but we actually have community meeting.

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So before construction start the community notified.

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We can come and ask all the questions and that's where we can even look at properties individually.

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So they'll definitely have an opportunity to ask questions.

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Thank you for that.

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And then will there be blasting of the rock.

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Things like that like I just wanted to find out like what noise level we can expect to share with the community.

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Okay.

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And then I think my last question actually just back around to that communication piece and partnering with us on any kind of communications.

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Because we also are going to have a presentation on an intersection improvement that will start next spring possibly.

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And so figuring out how to mitigate the impact on the community with possibly two projects kind of going on at the same time.

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The other project would be further down further west.

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But just being able to get out there and inform the community and partner together on those communication pieces will be really essential I think.

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Yeah, we're definitely available for that.

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We think that's very important because if we get out there and start doing work the questions come and so it's better for everyone overall.

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Okay.

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We're available.

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Okay.

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Thank you so much.

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Were you looking for guidance on night work or you're telling us to prepare our community for night work.

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I agree with the night work.

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I'm just asking that question.

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I didn't know the way it was proposed.

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What was your question again?

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I was just saying were you looking for guidance from us on night work or is that set in your workplace.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I just want to make sure that we were.

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We fit where on that.

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That it is best.

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Yeah.

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For that area.

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I agree.

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But also to I think a lot of the homes are set far enough back.

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They're not homes that are right at the street.

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So I think it would be a little less disruption.

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And yeah.

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So I just wanted to make sure we were good there.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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I did want to follow up on that night work piece because I know you noted.

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The worker safety piece.

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And I know we have had discussions before about in the at night time.

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That sometimes becomes a raceway at portions of the road.

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Especially at that one intersection.

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And so when you talk about safety in terms of worker safety.

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Do you coordinate with to KPD?

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What is what is this sort of signaling and like protection side of it?

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Again, also for the obviously the community.

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But most interesting about the actual corridor.

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Because as council member reset the houses are further back.

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But for me that's heavy on the construction side.

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So I would say there is a standard for traffic control.

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And we have to submit a traffic control plan to be approved.

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So they do take that into account.

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But when it comes closer to construction.

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We'll definitely have that as a concern or you know.

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A risk.

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Anything else?

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All right.

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Thank you for your time.

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We appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Can you're still up to the new G2 status on roster road.

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You have improvements.

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Yes. Ross Arroun at and Hugh Heil-Roun. You'll remember what about a year and a half ago we did a quarter

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study along Hugh Heil-Roun identified a number of improvements, like a total of $22 million, I think $7 million

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dollars and that was extending the trail, which we know we want to do that. There are a lot

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of smaller recommendations, signage, striping, school flasher, things like that, and some

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more significant improvements, such as roundabouts or re-lining intersections, site distance

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issue at Konawa Drive, things like that. So, we are close to releasing a bit on some of the

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smaller low-hanging fruit and products, but last year we awarded an intersection designed to

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pond and company for this intersection, as you know, it comes in at an angle, it's a really

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severe angle. So, we want to straighten that out. Here's just some accident data. This is over

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five-year period until the 34 accidents. That's what's been reported, and it might be more

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than that, but that's what the statistic show.

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Yep, I'll do that.

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We held a public meeting. So, we were about 30% complete with the design, and we paused at

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that time to have a public meeting and get gathered input. Again, what we want to do, sorry,

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I didn't mean this for the cursor.

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To re-align Ross Road, this is the existing alignment here that comes in at a severe angle.

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We want to 90 that up, and that actually aligns perfectly with stone lead drive on the other side.

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Not sure why that wasn't done to begin with back in the day, but it makes a lot of sense.

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And what that left us with was a triangle here that we could do some landscaping and so forth.

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We did do a signal warrants study and said that the traffic signal would be warranted at this location,

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so that's part of the design.

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So, this is what we took to the public thinking that we wanted to try to preserve that monument sign there.

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We probably had 50 or 60 people at the public meeting.

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Had a lot of good input.

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And this is kind of the statistics. You can see that 76% were in favor of the concept that we showed.

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Nobody was opposed to it.

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And there were some that favored it conditionally.

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A couple of the questions that came out of the public meeting was, this is great,

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but we really need a right turn lane on Rossor Road, from Rossor Road, onto Hugh Al Road,

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which I agree that he was meeting.

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And the other one was the monument sign.

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Some people said don't disturb it, some people said get rid of it in this fine.

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So, we wanted to come back to you now.

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We'd like to proceed with the design, but we want to make sure we're all on the same page here.

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So, we're showing three potential options, one was what we showed at the public meeting.

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That is to realign Rossor Road for a four-way intersection.

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Option number two would be to add that right turn lane.

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And if you don't add that right turn lane, you are going to have some pretty significant backup in the morning.

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And there were probably a handful of people that said, gee, it'd be nice to have around about.

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So, here's a totally consultant not to do a full on design because you're not scope for that,

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but they did play around with the designs, not quite circular to make all the turning radio work.

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And you've got to accommodate trucks and school buses and emergency vehicles.

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Pretty significant right-of-way impact, especially on this corner.

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You can't see that house there, but that house, the construction limits would go almost right up to the house here.

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But a pretty good acquisition here on this corner, and also on the south side, both of these would be pretty heavily impacted with right-of-way needs.

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So again, a little closer up showing these three alternatives.

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One is no right turn lane, two is with a right turn lane.

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There's not a lot of difference in the right-of-way impact on this because when you add a right turn lane,

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it's within the city's property.

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So you're not really acquiring any more property, but you do knock out that monument sign in adding that lane.

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And then here's a little closer up view of that roundabout.

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So looking at the three options, if we don't do anything, we try to look at at least 25 years into the future,

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to make sure when you build something that you're allowing for future growth and so forth.

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So if you don't do anything, you have a level of surface AF.

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So it's going to be a really big choke point.

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Alternative one, we estimate about $1.9 million, and that's for a traffic signal.

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And here you see the impact.

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We do have a little bit of right-of-way on that north-east corner and then some easements.

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And we improve the level of surface there in 20, you're 2050 when we do that.

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If we add the right turn lane, this is only showing a slight level of surface improvement.

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I think it'll be a lot better than that.

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But that AM is going to be significantly improved if you have that southbound right turn lane.

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And not a lot of changes between alternative one and alternative two in terms of right-of-way.

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A little bit more cost, obviously, for the more asphalt.

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And then alternative three, it's about $3.5 million estimated construction calls.

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But with a significant right-of-way, it's probably closer to $4 million.

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And here you see how much the square foot is the right-of-way goes up.

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And you're really not ganging in a whole lot of level of service at all in the morning.

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But then afternoon, you do improve the level of service.

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And that is it.

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We glad to take any questions.

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We're going to start with questions, not comments.

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I remember last time I said I was bad.

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I think keep track of that.

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So we're going to start with questions first.

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And then we can go back to discussion with comments.

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So questions.

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Can your presentation that you just gave that includes?

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Does it not the right turn in and out of Ross or Place?

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Yes.

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I did not mention that.

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But that I think for us is kind of a given.

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So Ross or Place is currently a tea intersection.

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It's full access.

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We do recommend that to be right in right out.

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Only because you do have a significant number of angle intersection crashes there.

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That are pretty unsafe.

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So with the installation of a traffic signal, we are encouraging folks.

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Instead of turning left out of Ross or Place to come out and signalize the intersection.

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So I'm not showing that, but we are planning on that.

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And you kind of touched upon this.

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I was assuming that your crash data over the five year period did not include the Ross or Place crash.

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It did not.

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I do have those statistics, but not handy.

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And does the Ross or Place element?

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Is that within this cost estimates already?

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It is.

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And we're really trying not to do anything with the curve there.

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We're just constructing a concrete island.

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And we did show that at the public meeting.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for the presentation, Ken.

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My first question is about.

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You know again, traffic mitigation during construction.

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What would that look like?

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Personal road closures or anything like that?

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How would that work out?

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No, we always want to leave a lane open.

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So there could be times when you have construction going on.

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You have a concrete truck pouring the trail or whatever.

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But we would plan to construct this new road.

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And we would leave the existing road open.

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And then there would be just a conversion to shift traffic from the old to the new.

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One thing I didn't mention is the trail.

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So we do plan in the future to construct a trail.

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Ten feet wide.

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So we are incorporating that in this project.

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Make sure we don't build something and then have to tear it back up.

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And I'm glad you brought that up because I was going to bring that up.

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And then with the various plans, but specifically plan to.

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How far if the trail is is constructed around it.

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About how far would that trail kind of reach out on each side?

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Well, our standard.

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Is a five foot landscape strip in a ten foot trail.

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So that's what we've done along the huge out of quarter.

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And that's plan to be consistent with that.

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But on the on the and where we're gaining, you know, like that potential beautification area.

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Would it just stop middle of there or would it.

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You know what I mean?

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It seems like it could be kind of weird to start.

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So the yellow is the trail.

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Yeah.

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We've come up here to an ADA crossing.

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You'll have an ADA ramp here.

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Refugeary here.

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And then we cross here to be a signalized pedestrian crossing.

402
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Okay.

403
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But specifically going west on Hill Hall Road.

404
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You're saying that that trail segment would only be built about five feet.

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Or you know what I'm saying?

406
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Well, yeah.

407
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So we was stopping within the project limits.

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Okay.

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The trail is a separate project.

410
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But we want to incorporate that within this this project.

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So we don't have to redo it.

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So five foot landscape strip, ten foot trail.

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And yeah, it would just stop right here at the project.

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Somewhere.

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Okay.

416
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And is this almost certain that if we were to do alternative to there will be a signal there.

417
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Is there any scenario where there would not be a signal there?

418
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Or is it pretty much a given that there will be a lie there?

419
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Yeah.

420
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I think it's given.

421
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We've done the study.

422
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:08,740
Yeah.

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You never want to just install a traffic signal with no justification.

424
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So we have certain guidelines to go by.

425
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We've done the numbers.

426
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We feel like a traffic signal is just a fine.

427
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And that is incorporated into our cost estimate.

428
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Okay.

429
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And then two more quick questions.

430
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One is about the beautification in the original alternative one that we presented.

431
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There was some beautification.

432
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And then, of course, we were trying to save the smoke stack.

433
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If we went with alternative two and this might be more of a question for Courtney.

434
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But what options do we have for beautification and some sort of piece to maintain the character of the of the area?

435
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Well, I like Courtney's speak to all that food food stuff.

436
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I just do the engineering.

437
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:08,740
But I can tell you will have.

438
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Beauty isn't the eye of the holder.

439
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We'll have about a third of an acre or so left here.

440
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You take out the own road men.

441
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:20,740
So you have quite a bit of area to play with.

442
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And then, of course, my last question is about funding.

443
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We had so many allocated last year.

444
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Can you just ask me.

445
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Thank you, Courtney.

446
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:06,740
And then, of course, my last question is about funding.

447
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:07,740
Yes.

448
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:10,740
We had some money allocated last year.

449
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:16,740
Can you just kind of deep dive into where we are with the funding for this project?

450
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:18,740
So funding last year.

451
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:23,740
Our current fiscal year 2026 we budget a million dollars for a huge amount of room.

452
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:25,740
So what have we done with that million dollars?

453
00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:31,740
We spent about $200,000 or we have in combat $200,000 for this design.

454
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:33,740
We haven't paid them all yet.

455
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:39,740
But that's what we're paying upon in company for this complete design.

456
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:48,740
And then we've reserved a couple of $100,000 for our short-term low hanging fruit project

457
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:55,740
with the signage and striping and school flashers and things like that.

458
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:57,740
So we've set aside that money.

459
00:44:57,740 --> 00:45:00,740
So we have about $603.

460
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,840
40,000 dollars remaining in this current budget that we would plan to utilize. So in order to get us up to about

461
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:19,280
the $2 million, we have in the 2027 budget, $1.37, I believe, million. So you had up those two numbers and

462
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:26,920
get system out $2 million. So which is right in between, I'll turn into one and two. Of course, these

463
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,920
are just estimates, but we think we're pretty close on that.

464
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Okay, thank you. So hands down here, Councilman Schroeder.

465
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:46,920
Can you go back to the design that's, I think, the first one with all the green landscape, I guess.

466
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:55,920
So I'm just curious that landscape is all right away that you were taking control over, but

467
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,920
the construction part of the road really doesn't change much there.

468
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,920
It just opens up the intersection. Is that right?

469
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Yes, so this, these are the level lines here, but this little light blue line is the existing right

470
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,920
of way. And this dashed arms line here, these double arms line, that's the existing pavement.

471
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,920
So that existing pavement comes out and it leaves you with all this landscape area.

472
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:30,920
So we, you, you have all, without, I'll turn it to, you still have most of that area remaining.

473
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,920
We just didn't do the landscape plan on this yet, but kind of the same, same concept in terms of

474
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,920
beautifying that.

475
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,920
I guess, and I'm not an engineer, but it just seems like it's a little different.

476
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:51,920
And so I wasn't sure that right turn lane is really the correction to expand the intersection, I guess.

477
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,920
To make it safer.

478
00:46:54,920 --> 00:47:01,920
The right turn lane is, is mostly for congestion relief because you have a huge amount of traffic.

479
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,920
And you can say it's all the guineations, but you have a lot of the smoke cross folks as well,

480
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,920
especially in the morning, coming south on Rosser Road and turning right.

481
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:21,920
So if, if you have, you know, one or two cars here that are stopped at the red line,

482
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,920
that's going to back up pretty significantly.

483
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Okay, all right.

484
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:35,920
And so refresh my memory when you get into the alternative table, where you have the cost estimate,

485
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:45,920
and the fees, and the capacity analysis, we want to be at an A, and then E.

486
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,920
A is best, it's like a, like a school grade.

487
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,920
A is awesome, it's is no hardly any volume at all.

488
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,920
That's ideal condition, F is failing with a lot of delay.

489
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,920
You're never going to get to an A on this because you have too much traffic.

490
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,920
So, you know, I think the best measure you're going to do is probably a C.

491
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,920
So that's, there's a lot of traffic, but it's, it's not lengthy delays.

492
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Okay, that's helpful.

493
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Thank you.

494
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,920
I have a question about the traffic patterns.

495
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,920
Given that we're also doing construction sort of upstream at MIT and Hugh Howell.

496
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:40,920
So how do we see the construction and any change in traffic patterns from that intersection,

497
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,920
like investment impacting traffic here?

498
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,920
There's quite a bit of separation between Mount Industrial Boulevard and Rosser Road.

499
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,920
But not of a major road, right?

500
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,920
I mean, that's, that's the next big major road is Mount Industrial.

501
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,920
To the last year's.

502
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,920
Yeah, it's quite a bit of separation.

503
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:13,920
I don't think we're going to have, you might have some very temporary lane closures here with this intersection improvement.

504
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,920
But for the most part, you're not going to have a lot of lane closures with this project.

505
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:26,920
So I think there's probably two independent projects that I don't think one would really impact traffic at the other one.

506
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,920
Well, I meant, like, once it was constructed.

507
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,920
So, like, yes, during the construction, but I'm just trying to understand because I didn't see it and what you presented.

508
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:44,920
What the traffic flow patterns that you did in the corridor assessment showed about sort of where is the most traffic coming from and where is it going.

509
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,920
And it is a major cut-through, like, artery of Tucker.

510
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,920
You mentioned the guineations.

511
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,920
So, that's, I'm trying to understand.

512
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,920
So we have a major intersection at MIB and Huhao.

513
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:02,920
We have brain networking down at the BP station.

514
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,920
And then we're proposing a pretty significant change here.

515
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,920
So, I'm, you know, this is a residential road, but that is treated like an arterial road.

516
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,920
So I'm in terms of traffic patterns.

517
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,920
So I'm trying to understand on the whole corridor and it was an entire corridor study.

518
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:28,920
Can you talk about how the traffic interplays between these different major intersections on the corridor?

519
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,920
Well, I'm not going to do several hours of state round.

520
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:39,920
It's a four or five lane road that accommodates 35 to 40,000 vehicles per day.

521
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:50,920
Rosser road is a collector road that has probably, I don't recall the number, but probably seven or eight thousand vehicles per day.

522
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,920
So, two totally different roads.

523
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,920
We're not trying to change traffic patterns here.

524
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:06,920
This is, this is just an intersection improvement to, for the most part, to increase safety because the severe angle that we have here.

525
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:16,920
So, I don't think traffic patterns going to change necessarily except for the fact that we are eliminating left turns at Rosser place.

526
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:22,920
And now those folks for safety reasons will have to come to the traffic light and turn left.

527
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,920
So, we're not redirecting it in the traffic.

528
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,920
I don't feel like.

529
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,920
And how many cars go down per, you talked about the,

530
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Am I being, Rosser road on who, how right now?

531
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,920
What's our?

532
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,920
As over 20,000 is like in the low 20s.

533
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,920
Okay.

534
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,920
Both directions?

535
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,920
The saw of both directions is about 22,000.

536
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,920
Okay.

537
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:59,920
And then, just to speaking of funding, you know, I know that this is coming in higher than, I think, many of us were expecting and definitely want to make sure that we are.

538
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,920
Keeping people in Tucker's safe.

539
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:08,920
I know there are some other intersections that we've been kind of putting on hold as well because of the cost.

540
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:20,920
So, is there, I guess, I'd like to understand what the thought is behind continuing to keep the trail as such a significant size.

541
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:26,920
I mean, there's other trails that we've knocked down to eight feet, six feet.

542
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:34,920
So, what's the thought process behind sort of keeping the trail at the standard width when the project, you know, the safety component of it is increasing?

543
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:42,920
I'm just trying to think about what are some ways that we could be creative with kind of our budgets and make sure that we have access in other places.

544
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Well, technically, six feet is a sidewalk, eight feet is a trail.

545
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,920
So, eight to ten or even 12 feet is anything above eight feet is considered a trail.

546
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,920
Anything less than that would be technically a sidewalk.

547
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:04,920
So, our original trail master plan shows a network of trails throughout the city.

548
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,920
And this is, this is called a side path.

549
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,920
It's basically a wide-side log, but it classifies as a trail because of the width.

550
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,920
And that's the standard that we've come up with, we felt like.

551
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:25,920
Yeah, you can squeeze it down to eight feet, that's really tight for a two-way travel on the trail.

552
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:31,920
So, ten feet is ideal and we're staying within the right of way.

553
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,920
Now, we haven't looked at the entire huge quarter that we've just started the engineering design on some of that.

554
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:46,920
We probably need some easements, but for the most part, a ten foot trail with a five-foot landscape strip.

555
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,920
You stay within the existing right of the way.

556
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,920
So, so we would not require an easement.

557
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:06,920
I noted that the cab county folks mentioned that they went through a more effective, efficient, cheaper option by not doing the right of way acquisition and easement acquisition.

558
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Yeah, that water line was just going to be really impactful because you've got to build out the shoulder and it's almost like building a trail.

559
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,920
But that's why I was asking, because it's what you're describing is a similar piece.

560
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,920
So, here on the, yes, we had a plan.

561
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,920
We had a transportation plan too.

562
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,920
There are things that we are building and constructing and designing now that weren't in our original plan.

563
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,920
So, I guess I'm just trying to understand where, where is the flexibility for this area?

564
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,920
Or are we keeping them completely separate?

565
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,920
And we're just moving forward with the cost as is.

566
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,920
I'm not sure if I understand your question.

567
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,920
We were sticking, I'm going to clarify real quick.

568
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,920
Did we purchase easements?

569
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,920
We didn't purchase easements for any of that.

570
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,920
How trail that we've done yet?

571
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,920
We had to get driveway easements to time drive ways.

572
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:06,920
And I don't know, I don't know, doors, I got like 10 easements and we didn't, I don't think we paid anything.

573
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,920
They were all really good.

574
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,920
But they were driving.

575
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,920
They were driving.

576
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,920
They were driving.

577
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Okay.

578
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,920
Does that help?

579
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:15,920
Because it wasn't.

580
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,920
So, I think you're saying, because the calves said they didn't want to, they didn't want to do the water line on the side.

581
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Because they would have to get extensive easements.

582
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,920
So, you're saying, well, we need to get extensive easements.

583
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:37,920
I'm just trying to, yes, and understand why if we see project costs increasing in one area,

584
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:44,920
we are continuing with the previous amount on other projects when we are not.

585
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:51,920
I'm just trying to understand where there is flexibility and where we are moving forward without consideration of.

586
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:52,920
Okay.

587
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,920
Well, we don't have the design back yet.

588
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,920
No, if we're still on the subject of the trail, we don't have the design back.

589
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,920
We have gone as narrow as 8 feet.

590
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,920
That's a narrow trail.

591
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,920
But you can do that if you have topographic constraints or things like that.

592
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,920
But ideally we'd like to go with a 10 foot width.

593
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,920
Okay.

594
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,920
Questions?

595
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:25,920
So, if this project were to be funded, and it was to follow a standard timeline,

596
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:34,920
when would it be getting constructed and how would that be affected by the decay project that we just heard about?

597
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,920
Well, we originally wanted to be under construction on this project this fall,

598
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:50,920
we've kind of put everything we've kind of paused until we made sure we gathered public input and got clear direction on this,

599
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,920
before we proceed with the design.

600
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,920
So probably would not be under construction to the spring.

601
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:03,920
So the waterline project, you just heard they would like to be under, I think,

602
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:10,920
a little ambitious, but they would like to be under construction fourth quarter of this year.

603
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,920
So yeah, there could be some construction going on.

604
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,920
They are going to be very impactful.

605
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,920
They're going to be closing the lane for 12 months in sections.

606
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,920
We don't want to close the entire section if you have a road.

607
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,920
We want to only close the section they're working on.

608
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,920
The stage in like that.

609
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:41,920
This intersection will not be nearly as impactful in terms of impactful traffic.

610
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:49,920
With that decaying county project effect, would you schedule this around that?

611
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,920
No, I mean, you saw their plan.

612
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,920
They're really not installing the new waterline until way east starting at the canal drive.

613
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:04,920
So all they're doing here is doing a bore and tying in a waterline here at the intersection.

614
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,920
We've given them our plan.

615
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,920
We told them we, you know, you need to design your waterline around this intersection.

616
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Make sure your hydrants, not in the middle of the trail.

617
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,920
Make sure you put it back behind the trail.

618
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,920
So there's no physical conflict with these projects.

619
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,920
Right, even though they're not in the same geographic area,

620
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,920
they're still somebody trying to travel from one end to the other.

621
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Good end up with two construction projects going on at the same time.

622
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,920
They will probably be two construction projects going on at the same time.

623
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,920
However, again, I just don't think this one is impactful.

624
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,920
Where we get them to stay on 78 and not cut through.

625
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,920
Right, maybe we can only hope or we can charge a toll.

626
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,920
And then we can fund a lot of projects.

627
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,920
Yeah, let's do it.

628
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,920
Councilman, when likes that.

629
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:07,920
Go ahead.

630
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,920
I love a good toll.

631
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,920
This one's a little bit different from other intersections.

632
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,920
Can you talk about the extended driveway there?

633
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:24,920
Are we responsible for any future, you know, reconstruction or damages anything that happens to those?

634
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,920
That's a good question.

635
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,920
We would, yeah, that'd be within our right of ways.

636
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:40,920
So we would be on the hook for, I mean, hopefully it's built properly and compacted and good job.

637
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,920
And there's no need for any maintenance.

638
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:48,920
But if anything were to happen, we would be responsible for anything within the right of ways.

639
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:56,920
You don't, little yellow boxes or driveway easements just to tie them in.

640
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,920
I will tell you this properly, owner is no longer.

641
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,000
But, or, someone else, but she came to the public meeting, she was really happy. She really liked being a little further away from Hugh Alron.

642
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Yeah. Yeah, this for future, if we could keep people's name off of the presentations, that'd be nice.

643
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Would we, like, have a process for whatever the future landowner is, you know, like, is there threshold when we would accept, like, we will go in and fix the driveway for them.

644
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Let's say, like, some tree roots came through or something.

645
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:47,000
We would not go off the right way, obviously, but anything within the right way that we have constructed, we would be responsible for.

646
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:55,000
Okay. Yeah. It's all this from the blue line. This whole triangular area is, is public property.

647
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Okay. Yeah. It's just wanted to see if there was, like, some kind of formalized process for them to come instead of, you know, like, a subjective threshold that future engineer or, you know, department head would make the decision.

648
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:21,000
Isn't the right way to public property? So yeah, I would think we'd be responsible for that.

649
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:31,000
And then the portion where the trail crosses, can you kind of talk about the decision for the.

650
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:39,000
What do you call those, the slash lines instead of having, like, a structured corner.

651
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,000
On the west side.

652
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:52,000
I'm sorry, not this one option one. Yeah. The checker, depending on what you call those diagonal lines.

653
01:01:52,000 --> 01:02:00,000
You tell them in the radius here, that radius there. So when we were designing this.

654
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,000
I told the designer we want to retain this monument sign.

655
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:12,000
So there would be no right turn lane, but let's make this a wide radius here.

656
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:18,000
So that if there's one maybe two cars at the red light, you can kind of sneak around and turn right on red.

657
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:28,000
That was the thought process there. So that's why we didn't build that curve out. We pulled the curve line back and we hatched it.

658
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,000
And in this scenario, we've got the, yeah, right turn lane.

659
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Yeah, is it possible for us to have an option for with the curve built out?

660
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:47,000
It is a much larger crossing, right, especially for a path that we're going to be asking people to use that to go down to stone mountain.

661
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,000
I'm guessing.

662
01:02:51,000 --> 01:03:00,000
Yeah, so I mean, this would be a signalized crosswalk. You'll have a refuge area in this island so you're not crossing on three lanes at once.

663
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Yes, if we weren't going with the right turn lane and just went with the original design.

664
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,000
Is it possible to just have that bump out?

665
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Instead of having people squeeze through and you can pull that curve out and do the reverse of what I said, you can have a curve there.

666
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,000
And then if one car is here, the red light, and you have ten cars wishing to turn right.

667
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:31,000
Then, yeah, I mean, it's pretty significant back up, especially in the morning.

668
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Right, yeah, okay.

669
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Yeah, it's just kind of the balling and see where we can improve safety for sure.

670
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,000
That's what this is all about is trying to improve safety.

671
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:51,000
And then on the bottom, on the east side is a possible to do like a median in that checkered diagonal area.

672
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:56,000
This is like, you don't have a lot of room there, but we could maybe look at that.

673
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,000
You couldn't do any landscaping, probably.

674
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,000
Okay, but you can potentially do a raised concrete.

675
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:09,000
Okay, thank you. Yeah, just again, looking for any way to solve people there.

676
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000
Sure. Yeah, for safety.

677
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,000
Thank you.

678
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,000
All right, Ken.

679
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,000
What do you need for us?

680
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,000
You need some soft vote, conversation.

681
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,000
No, yeah, I know we don't take a vote, but we want to do some guidance.

682
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:32,000
We want to move forward with a design and we're just kind of looking for a head nod on which way we want to go.

683
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,000
I want to ask you a little bit more, so I was at that public meeting.

684
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:43,000
I'll turn it to with the right turn lane that came out of conversations with people at the meeting.

685
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:50,000
Yeah, I mean, we recommended it anyway.

686
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:58,000
We didn't show it at the public meeting because of the concern with the monument, but from a traffic perspective, we do recommend that.

687
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:09,000
But yes, that was, I would say the largest number of comments we had from the public meeting was, we really need a right turn lane there.

688
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Okay, so I guess the struggle with that was safety sign.

689
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,000
Right, so we need to, that needs to be weighed.

690
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Right. Well, not safety sign, but congestion sign, I would say.

691
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:31,000
Yeah, for tain the sign, we've got no right turn lane, you're going to really back up traffic.

692
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,000
If you can stall the right turn lane, then that sign's going to go.

693
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,000
No consideration that that right turn lane could be a safety.

694
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,000
What impact itself?

695
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Yeah.

696
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000
Okay.

697
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
That's good point.

698
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
All right.

699
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:56,000
I just had a follow up to that, because I hadn't, I was looking sort of at the option to.

700
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Is the sign having to go on option to because of the intersection or because of the intersection plus the trail.

701
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,000
We're not showing it here, but the sign is.

702
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,000
It's because of the grading.

703
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:25,000
So the sign itself is a little misleading because of the tree overhang, but it's over and here somewhere, but the.

704
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Due to the elevation difference, when you construct that right turn lane.

705
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
And you do the slopes.

706
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:39,000
You get into the get into the signs of the sign or the monument is not physically in the right turn lane, but the.

707
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:54,000
So the first thing that we need to give a head nod to soften to is alternate one.

708
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
To.

709
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,000
Or three.

710
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Right.

711
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:04,000
So which is any conversation around.

712
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Alternate one.

713
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Yeah.

714
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,000
I think, you know, we should go with alternate one.

715
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,000
I know everyone is about traffic here.

716
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
I think.

717
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,000
People complain about traffic everywhere in the world.

718
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:23,000
And we should just be okay with traffic in terms of safety.

719
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Again, a lot of.

720
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,000
What we wanted from the you how in section or you how road.

721
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Said you was safety right.

722
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:39,000
You know, every time that we it's almost like an inverse right if you're you're prioritizing.

723
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:48,000
Congestion there's going to be a safe component that you're going to overlook in terms of pedestrians and bicycles.

724
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:53,000
So I'm really an advocate for alternative one and if we could bump out that.

725
01:07:53,000 --> 01:08:00,000
Corner that would make this all the better because it is a rather large crossing.

726
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,000
All right. Thank you.

727
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Anybody else on alternative one.

728
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000
Yes.

729
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000
I mean.

730
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
I think that was a really compelling argument that council member when just made.

731
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
And I also just want to lift up.

732
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
I think there.

733
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:23,000
Those are very relevant concerns, which I think applies to all the designs about.

734
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,000
The new construction of new driveways and how long that would be.

735
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:32,000
So I would want to have more insights from the city of attorney on all of it.

736
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,000
So I just I think one is.

737
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,000
It feels like it meets the most again if we're talking just about.

738
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:50,000
The safety piece we should go with the safe the safest option if that's what the purpose of this intersection construction is.

739
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,000
I'm going to pose a question to Ted Ted on that.

740
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:58,000
The concern is building those driveways in the right way.

741
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000
That you see there.

742
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,000
What's our liability.

743
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:10,000
Realistically long term we build you that driveway apron or a little bit of your driveway and you mess it up.

744
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000
Someone messes it up.

745
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:17,000
Are we liable just because it's in the right way or it's for their private use.

746
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Nothing in the right way is for private use.

747
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Nothing.

748
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:29,000
It is absolutely 100% the city of Tucker's responsibility to maintain in a safe condition.

749
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,000
In perpetuity forever.

750
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,000
But I will say every sidewalk project you have you have to tie in the driveway.

751
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Sometimes you can do it without getting off the the right of way.

752
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Sometimes do the slope you have to go beyond the right of way and in those cases you need.

753
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Easiness.

754
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Okay.

755
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,000
We move on to conversation around alternate to.

756
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,000
Conversation around alternate to.

757
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Being very very familiar with with that area and especially with.

758
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,000
Changing the direction of roster place that's going to increase.

759
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
The amount of folks going around to roster road to make a right turn.

760
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,000
I think there's a very significant concern for backup.

761
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,000
Especially in the morning is as tip put out.

762
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,000
And with your permission.

763
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
Madam Mayor I'd like to also pose a question to.

764
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Our legal counsel.

765
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:34,000
In any design you take if you took design one and it left the monument.

766
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,000
We're design.

767
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Sign two and we just scraped that monument.

768
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,000
Are we sending ourselves up for a city of Milton type situation.

769
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:51,000
By constructing road close to that solid piece of granite.

770
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,000
In a.

771
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,000
State of the law which is in flux a little bit.

772
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Is that any obstruction in a lane of travel.

773
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:07,000
Is negligence for which there's no sovereignty.

774
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,000
If it is next to the lane of travel.

775
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:16,000
It might also it might be that we were maintaining a new sense for which there would be no sovereignty.

776
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:22,000
Now that issue may be before the Georgia Court of Appeals as we speak.

777
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,000
So to continue off that and I concur with you sir.

778
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,000
To continue off of that I think.

779
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:37,000
Option two over option one gives the city the safest in terms of potential future liabilities.

780
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Plus it's necessary.

781
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000
All right.

782
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,000
Any other conversation on to.

783
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:53,000
After the public meeting that we had I think it was back in February.

784
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:58,000
And full disclosure when when I came to when we when we was talking about the safety.

785
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,000
A lot of the input I'd gotten previous to the design.

786
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Was about trying to preserve the monument because it it's beloved.

787
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,000
In the community.

788
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,000
After we had the public meeting though.

789
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:18,000
I heard overwhelmingly more about concerns.

790
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:24,000
I've not having that right turn lane in the impact on the community around.

791
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,000
And I don't know if you have the numbers went from the actual.

792
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,000
The data that you guys collected but.

793
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000
I got I got several calls.

794
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:41,000
I've had folks you know stop me in the grocery store what not talking about that.

795
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
I got a text on the way over here.

796
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,000
I'm concerned about that right turn lane.

797
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:52,000
So certainly I believe strongly and listening to the community.

798
01:12:52,000 --> 01:13:02,000
And one of the things that I'm sort of interested in is you know is there a way possibly to save the monument.

799
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:07,000
At the same time I do believe that that right turn lane.

800
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Is the safest choice.

801
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:18,000
I look at I look at that design up there now.

802
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,000
And I just think about people riding a bike along there and a car pulling up.

803
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:32,000
Really quickly in that striped area to maybe try to you know going around and there could be a possible impact with alternative to.

804
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,000
So formalize that that intersection feels safer to me about.

805
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Having a place where people want you know pull up to stop.

806
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:47,000
Wait for the signal whatever but but ultimately.

807
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,000
Where I am right now is.

808
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Would like to try to find some solutions for the monument monument.

809
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:03,000
But the overwhelming feedback that I got was for alternative to.

810
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Any other conversation?

811
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,000
I just want to talk a little bit more about the congestion.

812
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:12,000
This is very well documented about the induced.

813
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:20,000
The man right like the more that we improve this intersection for congestion say the more people are going to be routed this way.

814
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,000
More traffic you're going to add on to heal how and then there's going to be a downstream effect right.

815
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:31,000
And then we're going to be back at this conversation later down the road when we're talking about.

816
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,000
It might be in 78 and we're going to have to increase those lanes again.

817
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,000
I just want us to be very cautious because this is very well documented.

818
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:44,000
Everyone kind of agrees at this point if you increase in the man here you will see.

819
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:50,000
More traffic right over the years like these traffic studies will only guarantee you.

820
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:56,000
The quality of service for the next three years because they know that people are going to continuously.

821
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,000
See this has been more attractive option to drive through.

822
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,000
I think it's a short term phrase, as most intersection improvements, for terms of quality of service, argument, sake, heows, it just doesn't last.

823
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:40,000
So, I just have a follow-up kind of to some of the things that have been said. I'm curious if we put the trail in there and the sidewalk, then it's almost like a complete street, and then we're doing a right turn when we're still talking about the alternative to option year.

824
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:56,000
So, that means that the entire, I'm just curious if the cost goes up a lot more, or if this is the cost, because now I'm thinking this is sounding more like a complete street.

825
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:04,000
So, is this what you're referring to the difference in cost between alternative one and alternative two?

826
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:10,000
Well, I guess what I'm concerned about is is that this cost estimate isn't including the trail project.

827
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:16,000
It is including that. Yes, we made that clear from the start that we don't want to re-build.

828
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:28,000
No, we made it clear with the consultant that we don't want to re-build anything. We don't want to build an intersection and come back with a trail. We want to include the trail within the scope of this project.

829
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:44,000
Okay. So, I again think that the option for the best safety or this intersection is what we really need to focus on as counsel within anything else.

830
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:52,000
I was with a couple of people with a weekend who are complaining about this intersection. It's not safe.

831
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:58,000
So. Thank you for that point of clarity.

832
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,000
That cost includes the construction of the trail.

833
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:08,000
Yes. To get on that in that portion within the project limits.

834
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:16,000
Within the project limits. Okay. That's a good point of clarity, because I was not aware of that.

835
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,000
Right. Amy, you were looking at me like, and how did you miss that?

836
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:32,000
I thought it was more of the design. See, I thought it was more. I didn't know that also include the construction of that.

837
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Okay.

838
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Yeah.

839
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,000
All right.

840
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:44,000
Yeah. I agree. I thought it was. We were setting the foundations, not literal foundations, but like enabling that to be an intersection.

841
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,000
The trail could pass through adding real estate risk construction of.

842
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Yes. Sorry. I didn't make that clear. Okay.

843
01:17:52,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Yeah. I mean, I, if I look at alternatives one and two, I believe that alternative one fixes a safety problem of the just really wonky angle.

844
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:18,000
And I think it will cause backup, but councilman wins point.

845
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,000
I'm not sure backup was the problem we were trying to solve.

846
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:30,000
And if we make super easy traffic flow, then that's to the detriment of pedestrians.

847
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:40,000
And then if we're looking at spending a ton of money making that a full on pedestrian, very long pedestrian pathway.

848
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:46,000
I don't know about free flowing traffic at that right turn.

849
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:55,000
I'll have to think about it, but I respect the argument that the safety element is in the angle.

850
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:02,000
And then the right turn is for congestion. We're always going to have bad driver behavior.

851
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:10,000
So if somebody wants to drive over a kind of and do a right turn where there's not a right turn lane, that's a different issue.

852
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:15,000
All right. So I'm going to take a little soft straw pull here.

853
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:27,000
So if you want can to move on with more work on option one alternate one, give me a little sign.

854
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,000
Three, two and a half maybe. Okay.

855
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Okay. And then alternate two.

856
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,000
So I got one, two, three, four.

857
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,000
So you have four for alternate two, three for alternate one.

858
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,000
You can even talk about alternate three, but I'm going to see what means everybody's worried about budget.

859
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,000
Oh, we're not going to worry about that at that time.

860
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,000
We'll think about that further down the road for the racing.

861
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,000
So you're going to go ahead and look at alternate two.

862
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,000
And I think then there needs to be a further discussion.

863
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Sitting looking at what does the beautification piece look like.

864
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:10,000
It's all that tonight. We've heard. Thank you. We've heard from folks. There's other folks to hear from.

865
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:18,000
But if we're investing this amount of money and we're looking at safety and we're looking at a trail and a complete street.

866
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:27,000
I think there needs to be a little give on a monument sign and a partnership working to see what that looks like with you all.

867
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:33,000
But that can't be the end. I'll be all for this not to go forward.

868
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:38,000
All right. Thank you. You got what you need. Thank you, Ken.

869
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,000
All right. We're going to move on to vision zero policy. Maybe we should have had that first.

870
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,000
Vision zero. Maybe we'll come back and change our minds.

871
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,000
All right.

872
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:56,000
So as you all know, we're doing our combined transportation trail master plan.

873
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:04,000
We've had the draft study for for months now had number of public meetings and so forth.

874
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,000
We'd like to.

875
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:18,000
It's already been to a couple of times we we'd like to take it back to the planning commission and two reads and mayor and council and and get that adopted.

876
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:25,000
But one of the things this come out of all these discussions with not only the public and the stakeholders committee,

877
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:31,000
but council is really.

878
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:39,000
Prioritization of complete streets vision zero policy and then a safety action plan.

879
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:46,000
So those are all components within the plan as we've developed our plan.

880
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:51,000
It's been as much much higher emphasis.

881
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:56,000
As you know, a safety action plan that's one of the.

882
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:02,000
Criteria to be eligible for certain funding so.

883
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,000
Safety action plan is as a component of this transportation plan.

884
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,000
Anyway, I've said enough. I'm going to turn it over to Richard Feingman upon in company.

885
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,000
He's got a presentation and answer any questions.

886
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Yes.

887
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:24,000
Interesting to see the you know discussion on the on the previous intersection that's sort of right at the crux of a lot of what.

888
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:30,000
I know you guys are thinking about really trying to prioritize safety, but yet keep keeping moving in and how how do you.

889
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:36,000
How do you you know do those different things and so we try to look a lot of that those types of things in the transportation plan.

890
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:44,000
I guess what we what have we done in the last couple months I guess as we saw before one of the things we did was we really did go back and look at any of the.

891
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:50,000
The edits that we're needed in that in the report but also looked a lot more at the complete streets component and how we really.

892
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Where do we talk about complete streets and how that's part of your your process so.

893
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,000
I was just going to give a quick.

894
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:05,000
Just a quick recap of the plan elements sort of quick plan element overview and then I know you want to talk a lot about vision zero and sort of the complete streets and.

895
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:10,000
And what what sorts of things you might be committing to if you commit to doing the vision zero.

896
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:18,000
You know sort of a commitment there and and why and why that would be something that would recommend so.

897
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:26,000
I guess one of the things I guess to start office you know talking with a plan and how it kind of supports the tech revision you know one of the things.

898
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:33,000
Look at as you know you got your vision of being a vibrant inclusive connected community committed to high quality of life.

899
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:46,000
I think that the plan supports this vision is really that inclusion of the safety action plan and vision zero policy.

900
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Is it a big component of that because the idea that you're trying to emphasize quality of life you're trying to really emphasize how you're going to have you know safety in the community.

901
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:04,000
And how you're going to move people and you know you talk about connections to downtown and we'll talk about how some of this does that for the multimodal aspects of your plan.

902
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:11,000
So expansion of the trail network is a way to comply to provide complete streets that's all where we think as part of this vision as well.

903
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:23,000
We know we talk about complete streets a little before there's a little more the document about that now one of the things that I think is really important about about the approach that we did to the complete streets is by having this multi trail plan.

904
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:34,000
And instead of saying let's just put it let's just put complete streets on every street it allows you to kind of focus on a few things and one of the things you'll see when we talk about the short term projects is that they really do focus on getting people across.

905
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:43,000
You know putting a trail spine in across your your city but then also connecting to downtown and so those are those are some things we think are.

906
01:24:43,000 --> 01:25:02,000
And then if this is on safety and operational improvements versus roadway capacity that was something that we thought was important here there's not and we'll talk about that there's not that many capacity projects really focusing on intersection operations reducing congestion but but a lot of these projects are identified as as safety projects.

907
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:10,000
So what's in the plan there's three three components the comprehensive transportation plan update which is related to all the different modes of travel I guess.

908
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:20,000
Through their connections on a wheels bicycles transit trucks that's update the plan that you had before also the trail plan update is sort of an update to that plan from before.

909
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:36,000
And with again focusing on the shared paths but one thing that I do want to draw attention to is we did do a lot deeper dive this time we we looked at all of those trail components one thing that's in the if you go to the appendix of the report and that that's pretty thick.

910
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:44,000
But for each one of those trail segments our folks from the folks from all to who partnered with us really did go out and they they looked at things in this in the field they really tried to look at what was.

911
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:49,000
You know, the feasible to be done and how that would relate to costs and such.

912
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:57,000
The new element then is a safety action plan so part of that comes with the idea of looking at crash data developing up what they call high high in network.

913
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:10,000
Which is the network of roads were most across the car on looking at putting safety in your project prioritization so we did that as a prioritize the process we made sure that safety was one of those components of prioritization.

914
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:17,000
And and we also look at safe routes to school we know that was a program has had success of some schools with it making that a little more universal.

915
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:25,000
And then also the vision zero commitment and the reason that they have the vision zero we have the vision zero sort of commitment in there is that's really a key part of.

916
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,000
What they call this the safe streets for all.

917
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:35,000
You know safety action plan process and so what that that's part of what what you're trying to hear this with this plan.

918
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:43,000
And by by doing that what that does is it sort of meeting the guidelines that they that they want to have in there is to have that kind of adopted.

919
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,000
You know.

920
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:54,000
Vision zero commitment and then what that does is also it's helps to free up when you have the plan in place and you have that and you do some of those things it helps free up the funding that you could get.

921
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,000
For implementation money for safety as well.

922
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:04,000
But also it's a great practice because you'll see as we talk about there's great things that sort of help and grain bring into what it would do.

923
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:12,000
Just real quick here on belabor this much but just wanted to run through because I know we talked the last time a lot about sort of the you know public outreach and what we got from the public and all that and.

924
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:22,000
One of the things I just kind of want to highlight here is we were going back through everything going back all through our notes is is the stakeholder committee process we think was one of those things it was really was really great in this.

925
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:31,000
You know as we work through this plan you can see some photos you had folks from public meetings but even with this room's packets only portion of your of your citizens right.

926
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:42,000
But one of the things that's that's the stakeholder committee did was they follow the process all the way through so we had the committee so when they went each of these three meetings they were sort of seeing the projects progress as it.

927
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:51,000
The processes that progressed and it helped give us a really good input on you know as we came to these these recommendations because they weren't all the same as you might have had your previous.

928
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:57,000
You know some things that were a little different and so we did think that that that that had a bit of value.

929
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:05,000
Another thing that again just to recap real quick we recommend a press by implementation phase and so here short minute long term.

930
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:19,000
But what we did here was you know trying to look at the types of projects so the short term we only had there's about four sort of roadway intersection capacity projects and those are really projects sort of already moving through the process again that short term and you had us go back and look at that and make sure.

931
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:24,000
We verified that yes that did include the projects you already kind of had you know in the in the plan.

932
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:33,000
With some other sprinkle in and then and then we don't really hit another roadway to pass the intersection projects a long term because it takes a little time to develop some of those larger projects that.

933
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,000
You know that are there including the long term.

934
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:47,000
But then operational projects can see there's a pretty steady stream of those throughout and that's really where a lot of your safety improvements come in so when we talk about operational projects things just like the one you're talking about just now.

935
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:52,000
How do we improve that because we need a traffic signal at roster road or some way for folks to get out.

936
01:28:52,000 --> 01:29:00,000
But how do we do it in the most safe way right and so we what we try to do is as we look through all these projects that we're there.

937
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:08,000
There's there's about 30 or so type of criteria that fit into you what the federal highway administration calls there sort of proven safety counter measures right.

938
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:13,000
So when when we had things that we're going to include one or more of this proven safety counter measures.

939
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:20,000
And that was something that we said I that checks the safety box it would be something you could potentially get safety funding for later and also isn't helping to improve safety.

940
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:25,000
So so that was operational approach you see there are really projects that are geared.

941
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,000
You know most of those have a safety component as well.

942
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:37,000
So sidewalk projects and trail projects that are also also shown in there so a lot of component of this plan we feel like is really you know towards that.

943
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:46,000
You know again multimodal transportation with sidewalk controls and then handling a lot of your congestion.

944
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Another thing I guess that we talked about last time that we had shown this by travel mode but not caught up all together in one in one graphics we did put that in the in the plan itself.

945
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,000
But also kind of showing here so these are kind of your short term projects all.

946
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,000
So instead of we would have like short-term intersections on one map and short-term roadway on another map.

947
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:12,000
But what I think you can see when you cease together, there's definitely an emphasis on handling some of your major corridors,

948
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:21,000
but also in, you know, when you look at your trail network and some of the things that they're shown in purple, like the shared use path, you know, you're how road,

949
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,000
and you've got, you've got it along, you know, the road there,

950
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:31,000
you're, um, lovista and such going to the west, you're really getting a good spine through your city with your stuff in the short-term.

951
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:40,000
Now, now some of that is designed at that stage, not implementation, but is developing that whole spine there and then providing a north-south connection as well.

952
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:50,000
And when you see that in the sidewalk, you're really kind of focusing a lot more of the ability for people to move across the city, but also to get to downtown.

953
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:54,000
And there's also a lot of intersection in, you know, operational projects, you know, showing on there.

954
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:00,000
And some of the ones that are, they're longer our corridor or sort of operational projects where we have several along along the corridor,

955
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:05,000
that those are the ones along 29 and on not industrials.

956
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:14,000
So that's kind of what, you know, something else to look at if you want to explore that in detail in the report that's got, you know, kind of all that put together.

957
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:19,000
But then I guess the next thing is sort of how does this relate to vision zero and, you know, incomplete streets?

958
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:28,000
And so when you look at your safety action plan and your vision zero goal, so the safety action plan does it does a few things to kind of meet that criteria.

959
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,000
One that identifies this high injury network.

960
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,000
Another thing is that it provides this vision zero commitment.

961
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Another thing we have and there's this is, well, they have establishing an evaluation monitoring system.

962
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:46,000
So the idea is that each year you would be monitoring the crashes and seeing what improvements you're making towards your goal.

963
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Do you need to retool things as you go, right? And then establishing a safe routes to school program.

964
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:56,000
That's not something to requirement, but we know that's something that is a good idea and it was something you all had wanted to do.

965
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:01,000
So those are some of the key kind of aspects of that safety action plan.

966
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:06,000
And this back here just shows a bit of the high injury network.

967
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,000
And I showed the one that includes 285 and Highway 78 and all that.

968
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,000
I know we did put a second series of maps in there.

969
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,000
When you go through the reports, you can see the ones that pull those off.

970
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:21,000
But really the other reason we left that on, you know, you know, and have to leave the reporters it.

971
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,000
They want to include all the roads within the jurisdiction from the federal standpoint.

972
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:30,000
But when you look at that, your high injury network is about 11% of the roadway network there.

973
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:38,000
But about over 60% of the crashes and over 70% of the fatal crashes and seriously injured crashes.

974
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:50,000
So that says if you can pay some attention to that area in prioritization and doing some of your activities, you can maybe have a big impact on those on those really serious outcome crashes.

975
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:57,000
So that's a component that they want to have in the plants that you're looking at how that relates to things.

976
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:02,000
Other things when we talk about is complete streets and there's a relationship.

977
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:09,000
It definitely between having a good complete streets, you know, a process and and and also having a good plan.

978
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:14,000
So some of the things that we did do is go back and try to strengthen what we talked about with complete streets.

979
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,000
We had a lot of the projects in there, but we probably didn't have them really spelled out as much.

980
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,000
And I know some of the things you talked about to is what are some design stands to go to street.

981
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,000
So what does it mean when we say complete streets?

982
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,000
So we added in a few sections there, language on there.

983
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,000
So I highlighted here a couple of pages in case you wanted to go back and look.

984
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,000
But there's a discussion of police streets elements added on 66 and 67.

985
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:40,000
We, the use of shared use paths to provide complete streets for, for bike and ped travel modes was sort of discussed through there as well.

986
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,000
And then I'm just trying to think of Spanish real project sections of complete streets.

987
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:49,000
We did give some sample details on page 93.

988
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,000
I think that that's something and we'll talk about the complete streets policy.

989
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,000
That's something you may want to refine as you, as you develop this complete streets policy.

990
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Because we did add the recommendation for complete streets policy.

991
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,000
We added that to the recommendation section.

992
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:07,000
And then we put an example complete streets policy in the appendix.

993
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:12,000
Now that's got again some samples as far as things that you might want for your roadway standards.

994
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,000
But developing that something that you might want to do over some time.

995
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,000
It's probably not the same thing.

996
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,000
You wouldn't have to adopt that at the exact same time you're adopting your vision zero plan.

997
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,000
That might take a little bit more development.

998
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,000
Economic benefits of shared use paths.

999
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,000
That was another thing that was a good question.

1000
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:34,000
So we did do a high level estimate of economic benefits for shared use paths.

1001
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:40,000
And so we included a discussion on that on page 96, which used some average, you know, costs like things that we're, you know,

1002
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:46,000
how the city may benefit from historic data on additional trail use and what are those things are constant.

1003
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:54,000
And not surprisingly does show the for your program overall, you know, that you do have a good positive benefit cost ratio for putting in trail type.

1004
01:34:54,000 --> 01:35:01,000
So those are a few things that change a little bit and kind of started linking those pieces together.

1005
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:08,000
Another thing I think that's important to see is you saw before we, you know, had the short term projects and how they were just kind of coming in in certain spots.

1006
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:19,000
But when you, when you look at sort of the build out of the network, we've got a lot of other connections, a lot of loops, a lot of things that people want to have when they have a fully fleshed out complete streets network.

1007
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:25,000
And so we thought that giving this versus say having just a policy this has put complete streets on every single road.

1008
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,000
This gives you more guidance. You can certainly put it someplace else.

1009
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,000
And not, you know, it's, you know, completely up to you all as you move forward, right?

1010
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:35,000
But this plan kind of lays out where those, where those locations go.

1011
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,000
We did go back and look at a couple of those key roads as well.

1012
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,000
That was, like, rocket road, the section of rocket road.

1013
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:46,000
We really thought a trail down of school would be something that would really make a lot of sense into downtown.

1014
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:52,000
Even though that, that, that road was, you know, sort of try to make the decision.

1015
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:59,000
Do we, do we go with, with traffic calming or complete streets, but we do think that it makes sense to go back.

1016
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:06,000
And also, we did look at Chamble, Chamble, the Tucker road, you all had done a lot of work to do what you've done out there.

1017
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,000
And it asked us to look back.

1018
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:10,000
And so we do have a recommendation of putting that in there in the future.

1019
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,000
It might not be the first one you want to do because a lot of places that aren't already touched yet, right?

1020
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:18,000
But it does seem like that would be an important corridor.

1021
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:24,000
Again, both those because of their nature of bringing people into downtown and connecting to a lot of neighborhoods.

1022
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,000
So those were, were two we went back and it really looked down.

1023
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,000
So a couple of things, so then the vision zero commitment.

1024
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,000
So what sort of involved in actually this commitment of vision zero.

1025
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,000
And really what it is is that the main, the main things that they want to see in that,

1026
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,000
and that are part of what we had kind of put in there is this acknowledgement that sort of no,

1027
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
no traffic deaths are acceptable.

1028
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,000
The idea that we, we are not going to say that has certain and level is acceptable.

1029
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:55,000
Really striving to have zero fail, you know, fatalities and serious injuries.

1030
01:36:55,000 --> 01:37:01,000
And it also represents a high level support to provide resources necessary to implement the city safety action plan

1031
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:06,000
and promote broader countywide policies and programs in alignment with a vision zero goal.

1032
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,000
And I say countywide because the idea is that you're supporting not just within yourself,

1033
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,000
but also as the county is working with you on other things.

1034
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,000
It adopts and so then it gets a little more strong.

1035
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:24,000
Okay, it adopts a goal of achieving vision zero traffic deaths by 2050 under the SS4A leadership community.

1036
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,000
And they do want to see a year that you say that you think you want to strive to get to that goal.

1037
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:33,000
And I think this is one that we had talked about a bit with the stakeholder committee,

1038
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,000
but there's nothing about 2050 that that has to be the year.

1039
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,000
You know, so that could be something that you could think about.

1040
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:47,000
But we think that that does 25 years in the future so that it does give you a good, you know, a good target year to really kind of move towards.

1041
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:55,000
It also commits to continued collaboration with neighboring jurisdictions and other partners to advance projects identified in the plan.

1042
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:59,000
And it also commits to monitoring and reporting on progress.

1043
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:04,000
So, so that's kind of the, it doesn't necessarily recommend you to doing any specific projects.

1044
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,000
It doesn't say you have to do the projects that are in the safety action plan.

1045
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:18,000
It's really more of a, you know, that you're going to be following this, this kind of path to trying to promote the safety and to not just promote it and move, move towards it.

1046
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:23,000
It's got two more slides and then I'll be done, but.

1047
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:32,000
So one, one other thing here, the vision zero and complete streets, you know, complete streets policy would support, you know, it would be supportive of vision zero.

1048
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,000
So complete streets policy can be valuable tool for advancing that.

1049
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:39,000
We buy requiring, but that goes further into the commitment usually.

1050
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Usually when you have a complete streets policy you're saying things like buy requiring streets and plan and design and operate to accommodate all roadway users, all people of all ages and abilities.

1051
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:53,000
Sometimes then you will link that back to, well, we have a plan as to which streets they'll be on, right?

1052
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:57,000
So it might not be on every street, so that gives you a way to kind of link it back to a plan.

1053
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:06,000
But those, but the usually with the complete streets policy you tend to have a little bit, you tend to go a little further and you tend to sometimes also adopt design standards for the various.

1054
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:13,000
And I know you guys are talking through that sum here, you know, should use a 10 foot pass, should use a put pet and you can see the whole interplay there, you know.

1055
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:21,000
So you're not that you always have to follow them, but you have adopt standards that would, that would go generally with the complete streets policy.

1056
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:31,000
Again, it shifts the focus from transportation design from moving vehicles quickly to prioritizing safety for all users, so that's an advantage and sort of a nexus of those.

1057
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:38,000
And also, by proactively addressing vulnerable road users, that's something that really aligns it well with your vision zero.

1058
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:51,000
So there is a thing where those things go hand in hand, but by adopting a vision zero, you know, policy you're not necessarily, you know, adopting a complete streets.

1059
01:39:51,000 --> 01:40:04,000
So, and this is kind of the two page of this, this was refined a little bit from the one that went out, beginning of the year, and primarily to bring those three points at the very end in alignment with what I just said.

1060
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:14,000
You know, that's where it says therefore let it be resolved, you know, and so this, this obviously, you want to look at, you want your attorney to look at and things like that and you know, whoever is looking at this kinds of things.

1061
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:21,000
But, you know, provides a commitment to vision zero, and then the target here, so it has that in there.

1062
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:29,000
And then the adoption of policy and this is the, you know, the policy, we adopt this policy to continue collaborations with neighboring jurisdictions, etc.

1063
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:44,000
So, so those are those three things. Now, you know, you can put anything you want to in a commitment or resolution, but that's what we would suggest to be something that really kind of, you know, hits the mark of what you need for the federal criteria, but gives you the most flexibility.

1064
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:49,000
Again, not being an attorney, that's something that you all have to also work out that way and amongst yourselves.

1065
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
But, I don't know.

1066
01:40:52,000 --> 01:41:04,000
Okay. Anyway, so yeah, no, I'm really quick and I'm sure you guys have questions, but I wanted to kind of give that over to you a little bit of order.

1067
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:11,000
Do you see anything I know Congress right now is looking at the build America 250 Act.

1068
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:16,000
Just come up. It's bipartisan. It's just to make sure that they can.

1069
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:23,000
You know, reappoint those funds and keep it moving for the next five years. Of course, this is the right thing to do.

1070
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:29,000
But does it also help with that kind of funding? Do you see, do you see the administration?

1071
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,000
Because the current administration is different, you know, obviously the current administration is different.

1072
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:38,000
There's a lot of discussion more on the idea of capacity and on trying to move things.

1073
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:44,000
But I think that there's also, I think that safety is one of those issues that is, and that's one of the reasons why this plan was kept in place.

1074
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:54,000
Quite honestly, I think, you know, they could have just taken this plan out. They took out other aspects of their grant funding about the safety aspect stayed in.

1075
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:00,000
And so I think that there's something that that's good about having this sort of process and it being able to translate in there.

1076
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:10,000
Especially they're talking, they're trying to do things for capacity, but it's probably also going to be a safety oriented, you know, improvements as well, you know, and can argue with that now.

1077
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:18,000
How far they want to go with safety, I don't know, and how that ties in with complete streets, those are all things that are, you know, yet to be determined.

1078
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,000
But that's my guess is that you still have to have value in the safety plan.

1079
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:27,000
And I think that there's some value in just having it in place, quite honestly, for the community.

1080
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:29,000
All right, good. Any questions down here?

1081
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:37,000
We're still thinking. All right, Councilman Schroeder.

1082
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:53,000
I just want to ask you a few, like, to make some recommendations about complete street programming and safe routes to school programming and what we can do in the city.

1083
01:42:53,000 --> 01:43:04,000
We partner and do a safe routes, you know, every following spring at elementary schools, and just feel like we're missing some opportunities.

1084
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,000
And then to educate our residents to slow down.

1085
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:23,000
I mean, one of the reasons why we did the traffic calming on Brockett, which I know that you know this, is to drop the speed limit because people were speeding at all hours of the day 80 plus miles an hour.

1086
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:36,000
So we finally were able to drop it from 40 to 35, and that was a huge improvement in people are still speeding, not going 80 miles an hour because they can't because of the chicane.

1087
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:46,000
But you know, what do we need to do to educate? And while I understand people have, you know, drive that behavior, some people drive a little bit faster than others.

1088
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:52,000
So I was just curious if you might be willing to share a sort of thoughts around that.

1089
01:43:52,000 --> 01:44:02,000
Yeah, well, I mean, with education, there's, you know, education almost has to be a consistent process, right, because it's hard to get people to just learn it once and then do it.

1090
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:10,000
I think part of this building, a culture of, you know, a little bit of a culture of safety, like if you're doing things to the city and there's a way to be promoting safety along with that.

1091
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:16,000
Things, you know, things like events that you're having, there are other things you can do that are sort of safety oriented.

1092
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:27,000
Folks have done it along the complete streets and where they'll do like, you know, hey, a bike to not everyone goes to the bike, but also learn about bicycle safety things like wearing helmets and, and how to, you know, how to ride not ride.

1093
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:32,000
And the big challenge now is he bikes to people are getting on these e-bikes and some of them are really fast.

1094
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:43,000
But, you know, so, and I don't know that it's so much that they're, you know, running into other people, but, you know, but you've heard that it can be very dangerous just just driving this and navigating on this.

1095
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,000
So, so there's, there's things like that about safety.

1096
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:53,000
So how do you do that, you know, having this kinds of things in the, you know, within the events that you have in the community.

1097
01:44:53,000 --> 01:45:00,000
I think another thing is, you talk about Cyprus and school and there may be a way to sort of partner with that, if you can do things with a school where you've got.

1098
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,000
The kids that are talking about not just safe routes to school, but bring home information about safety on the railways and not speeding.

1099
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,000
That's one way to do it.

1100
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:15,000
I think that some things that have really helped a lot of communities is a lot of these speed.

1101
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:21,000
Matching enforcement along with these speed advisory, putting in one of those speed advisory trailers.

1102
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:28,000
And then doing that for the long and then ticketing people to get them to kind of understand what they're doing.

1103
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,000
Obviously, those are all big decisions as whether you do that.

1104
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,000
You know, you rather, you know, get people correctly not to do things.

1105
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,000
But we can, I don't know if we had as many ideas in here about that.

1106
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:46,000
But we certainly can come back with what are some educational ideas that, you know, it could maybe be good to be added to that.

1107
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:52,000
Well, I'm sure that we would like to continue to explore that as a city and community.

1108
01:45:52,000 --> 01:46:02,000
I noticed that done when he has dropped the most of their, you know, our connector street speeds to 35.

1109
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:08,000
And I thought, well, that's an interesting opportunity to try to encourage people so down.

1110
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:13,000
We obviously have two major highways with freight traffic.

1111
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:20,000
So it's not as easy, but I still think that in the neighborhoods in the connector streets, especially close to the schools.

1112
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:26,000
We need to continue to figure out what types of programming and education that we can implement.

1113
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,000
So thank you.

1114
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,000
All right, questions.

1115
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,000
Very much appreciate this.

1116
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:39,000
And I am curious, and I think it goes to Council Member Schroeder's question about education too.

1117
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:47,000
Did you talked about the piece of the vision zero commitment connected to collaboration and other, you know, communities.

1118
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:52,000
I know you mentioned to Cow County, but I'm, you know, immediately started thinking about ARC.

1119
01:46:52,000 --> 01:47:06,000
So do you have, and didn't ask you this ahead of time, but do you have a sense of other, like Georgia or local municipalities or counties that have adopted or been moving towards a vision zero policy?

1120
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,000
Yes, yes.

1121
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:10,000
Cherokee County and Fayette County recently.

1122
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,000
I did one.

1123
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:13,000
I'm sure I think.

1124
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,000
I think it's pretty strange.

1125
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:16,000
I think it's pretty strange.

1126
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:22,000
So most of the places that have done these, you know, these plans have put one of those employees.

1127
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:28,000
So maybe like an opportunity for us to even, like, again, be more intentional with the cab county and saying,

1128
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:35,000
I know we've had some other resolutions that some advocacy groups have been coming, you know, to multiple things.

1129
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:40,000
On the education side, the reason I thought of ARC is I've seen.

1130
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:46,000
Thank you.

1131
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,000
Sorry about that.

1132
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:51,000
I pushed my button twice apparently with my notebook.

1133
01:47:51,000 --> 01:48:00,000
But the reason I asked about ARC is plan RVA, which is their regional, a while ago adopted a vision zero policy.

1134
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:06,000
And now they have these very interesting community advocacy and predictive tools.

1135
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:22,000
So they just wanted a word for this where the community reports near misses on fatalities and they are building an orienting their priorities around prevention, not just like a dressing and moving backwards.

1136
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:32,000
So I just appreciate you like lifting this up as sort of like a, you have to have this kind of step in place in order to get to those other sorts of things.

1137
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,000
That's a good question.

1138
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:39,000
And ARC, I believe it's going to be embarking on doing some work on their on a safe streets for all planning.

1139
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:46,000
There's this geared toward schools and they have three different communities that are in different areas of the region that they're doing that.

1140
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,000
I think we're looking at involved in county, Clayton County and Brookhaven.

1141
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,000
I think if it's correct, correct for the ones that they'll be looking at it.

1142
01:48:54,000 --> 01:49:00,000
But the idea is not just to look at those three communities in a vacuum, but to look at that and see what else can be applied outwardly.

1143
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:06,000
It is a very good opportunity to probably do that and as you mentioned all these different places that now have these in place.

1144
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:14,000
Might not be bad to say, well, what is there something they could do together to at least, you know, especially when you talk about ongoing sort of coordination collaboration.

1145
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,000
What are the best practices that other people are putting in place.

1146
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:24,000
Yeah, and the other thing I wanted to say, I really, if you go to the short term project slide.

1147
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:29,000
And I know we're going to have the full plan.

1148
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:36,000
You know, kind of recommend front of us for adoption.

1149
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,000
But I'm partially just because I just saw a presentation on this on Friday.

1150
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:52,000
What I like about this short term priority project map is how closely it aligns with the need map for.

1151
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,000
In terms of mobility and access.

1152
01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:03,000
And so, you know, that map in the plan where it shows that the central corridor is where the highest need for mobility access is.

1153
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:10,000
So it looks like, you know, y'all incorporated poverty rates, disability rates, literally what the infrastructure is.

1154
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:21,000
And so I'm just trying to think through the adoption of the vision zero policy, but also complete treats and sort of how that ties into, you know, saying.

1155
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,000
Hey, these short term projects aren't.

1156
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,000
They are.

1157
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:31,000
The policy of it addressing a very specific need, right?

1158
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:37,000
And in terms of serving people of Tucker who have the list access to two types of transit.

1159
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:42,000
And so I just, I'm appreciating seeing seeing those projects together.

1160
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
I think it would be great to see it overlayed on that map just so that we can highlight.

1161
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:56,000
Like we have, you look all that a great job identifying a really important gap in our community where we have not been able to serve everybody as much.

1162
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,000
And so I was wondering about where we're spending dollars and how we're investing.

1163
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,000
Being able to have these projects connected to.

1164
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:07,000
We are thinking about safety specifically for people who may only have.

1165
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,000
You know, we have one or two types of options and they may not be able to be a vehicle.

1166
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,000
So I'm just really appreciating that and wanted to look.

1167
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:14,000
Thanks.

1168
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,000
Yeah, we can look and see if there will be interesting see map to see.

1169
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:20,000
Let me see what we can pull together on that too.

1170
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,000
Interesting story till.

1171
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,000
All right.

1172
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,000
I really don't have that much question.

1173
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,000
I just want to thank you for filling all of our requests.

1174
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:38,000
I think this is really wonderful that you have kind of addressed every thing that we've requested from you.

1175
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:44,000
So the design standard is all the updates to the trails the vision zero.

1176
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:49,000
I think the one thing that we just want to a little bit more details is like the safety action plan.

1177
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:50,000
Can you talk about that?

1178
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:55,000
Kind of how low implement it, how low kind of key track is there like a.

1179
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:59,000
You know, five year plan where each year has a different thing or like.

1180
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:07,000
Yeah, I think the main thing is just tracking, you know, what are you you know, what are you implementing that's that are safety projects and we do have this kind of identified within there.

1181
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:13,000
You know, and then are there, you know, are there improvements in, you know, within those local areas to the crashes.

1182
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:20,000
So, you know, that's one one way to do, you know, as it's sort of an after you know, study there and then that's something you could be reporting back.

1183
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:25,000
One is, well, what are, how are your crash rates overall in the community, but then how are they in these specific.

1184
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:30,000
You know, areas where safety related crashes are, you know, being or.

1185
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:37,000
Okay, what that kind of be something that you would drive primarily can.

1186
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:48,000
Yeah, no, this is a wonderful, I just want to kind of say they all of the surrounding jurisdiction.

1187
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:59,000
Around us, everyone's kind of committed to like 2050, I think there was like one that was like 24, 24, 24, but they took off their major, you know, corridor from G dot.

1188
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:04,000
I would like to, you know, have us committed to keeping that within ours.

1189
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:11,000
So that's, you know, the VISTA Lawrenceville, I know it's not our road, but it goes to our city.

1190
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:14,000
It is our road.

1191
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,000
It is our road.

1192
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,000
All right, guys.

1193
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,000
You know, wrap this section up.

1194
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,000
Thank you.

1195
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,000
We appreciate you very much.

1196
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,000
Appreciate all of your work.

1197
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:25,000
Thanks for coming back.

1198
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,000
All right.

1199
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,000
Smart way expansion and camera policy discussion.

1200
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,000
Micah, you're up.

1201
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:39,000
All right, good evening.

1202
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,000
We've got a fun one here tonight.

1203
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,000
I'm excited to chat about this with you guys.

1204
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:50,000
So I'm going to go ahead and jump on this.

1205
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:03,000
All right, so tonight we're going to be kind of mixing things up a little bit.

1206
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:10,000
You know, obviously staff has received a lot of feedback from you guys over the last year to that you don't only want to see updates when there's a contract.

1207
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:18,000
When I have a policy discussion about ahead of time, so that you know that you're getting sort of what's within the scope that you actually want to see, not just an up-down vote.

1208
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,000
So that's what this is tonight.

1209
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:25,000
Hopefully an opportunity to have that feedback cycle and, you know, agree on what direction we're moving.

1210
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:27,000
Specifically with smart lights.

1211
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:32,000
And I also want to place it in the context of sort of a wider camera policy discussion.

1212
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:39,000
When I use the word policy here, I'm not meeting like a written policy, I'm meeting like policy spectrum of ideas.

1213
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:41,000
So, why now?

1214
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:49,000
We are preparing to bring the smart light implementation for the Tucker Town Green and downtown Main Street Tucker at the next Council meeting.

1215
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:58,000
We recognize that public sentiment about government operated cameras is something that's kind of ever changing right now and in the last couple of years.

1216
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:12,000
And we're looking to have this be our moment of transparent discussion about what we would use cameras for, what those use cases are, what are our values, what are the limitations of the cameras that would be owned and operated by the city.

1217
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,000
Because, you know, we're not everywhere all the time.

1218
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:21,000
Certainly, we do not have in-house law enforcement, our law enforcement services provided by the cab county PD.

1219
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:28,000
And so that naturally limits the scope of anything that the city would deploy on its own.

1220
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:34,000
So just to do a quick review, we had initial discussions in fall of 2023.

1221
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,000
That was around public Wi-Fi at the construction of the Tucker Town Green.

1222
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:47,000
And then also sort of the long term, what is the vision of these sort of off road trails and what kind of security would we consider rolling out in those locations.

1223
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:52,000
We implemented it to your pilot from October 2023 to 2025.

1224
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:58,000
We brought the results of that back to discuss with Council in August 2025.

1225
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:03,000
It was just a report that the technology was effective, it was feasible, it was a good fit.

1226
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:12,000
There wasn't like some overwhelming data point about how much it got used because it was really just on like 150 foot stretch of trail.

1227
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,000
It wasn't even in a park, there wasn't a bench there.

1228
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:19,000
It was really just we had students come by that kind of sat there on the afternoon sometimes.

1229
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:25,000
People walk through, we did have some people connect but it wasn't like we got a thousand people on this little network.

1230
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:30,000
That was not the scope of what we were doing, we were making sure the technology worked and it did.

1231
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,000
But it was not like the result of a big event or something.

1232
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:41,000
So we've been working on a technical coordination with Georgia power and Comcast smart solutions for a more sizable rollout.

1233
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:45,000
And we thought that would be a rather quick process and then it wasn't.

1234
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:54,000
So I apologize that it took me a 10 month drag or nine month drag from August until now to really have this thing wrapped up and have it all kind of actualized.

1235
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:01,000
But we're here so I'm going to take us tonight through a couple different things.

1236
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:09,000
The basically going to include this sort of spectrum, this graphic here and then you're going to see some boxes and green.

1237
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:16,000
Those represent things that we're doing and you know may not be necessarily clear to some people in the community that we're doing them.

1238
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:21,000
This is that for a step of transparency to say this is what we have around here.

1239
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:35,000
The red that you're going to see is basically going to be the area where I'm steering your attention for discussion tonight for a sort of decision as sort of yes we want to see the next contract or actually.

1240
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:43,000
No way not really ready for that next step and we don't think that's a good fit in here in this situation, et cetera.

1241
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:46,000
So just to run down of what we have.

1242
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:54,000
I'm going to be going through three slides here next in detail that go through the green boxes right here, so that's what we're about to see.

1243
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,000
So we have city facility cameras.

1244
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:06,000
These are common sense safety and security cameras inside city facilities and the immediate exterior of city facilities.

1245
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:10,000
The staff generally does not review the cameras unless it's needed.

1246
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:15,000
That runs the IT director so it's really kind of one point of contact.

1247
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:22,000
Very you know closed up system unless we've got this specific issue we want to respond to typically that goes out of the city manager through director.

1248
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:25,000
It's pretty close loop.

1249
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:31,000
We do have some cameras in our city parks just less than 20 of them.

1250
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:36,000
We have implemented some limited monitoring in our public parks.

1251
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:41,000
These are locations that are responsive locations of cameras and public spaces.

1252
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:46,000
They're based on actual public feedback and actual situations which have taken place.

1253
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,000
These cameras do not have any live monitoring to them.

1254
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,000
So they're really kind of localized data.

1255
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:58,000
They get stored with a third party through Georgia power so Georgia power has the only power in the parks.

1256
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,000
They have a recommend vendor.

1257
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:06,000
We use them and then if we have a need to access video we would go to the vendor and ask for access to the video.

1258
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:11,000
So that's sort of the structure that we have there not really any live view from staff.

1259
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:22,000
Really no staff access at all until there would be a situation that would be something we would request video for.

1260
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:29,000
The next thing we have are city least flock license plate reader cameras and we do have 15 of them.

1261
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:36,000
So this is a couple more bullets I really am just going to kind of read down them and kind of run through the history here.

1262
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:43,000
So the city in coordination with the cab PD rolled out some limited flock license plate reader cameras.

1263
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:47,000
It was early as 2021 was before I got here we had five.

1264
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
And then we re-uped in October 2023.

1265
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:55,000
We got a rate lock and we selected 15 locations.

1266
01:59:55,000 --> 02:00:00,000
The policy goal of the time was to make sure that the top city priorities were monitored.

1267
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,000
Just wider to cap county priorities. Obviously, DKPD has very wide area and they've got certain things that are top priorities for them regionally and we wanted to make sure that we capture what we wanted to capture.

1268
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:29,000
So DKPD obviously collaborated with us on the locations or what were the best places to sort of work on Tucker's priority outcomes, so there were no problem areas, there were kind of city gateways and there was some major thoroughfares in the middle of town where

1269
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:39,000
we've got license plate reader cameras in certain areas. DKPD does have live access to that data, but they're just pictures.

1270
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:53,000
So this is where you'll hear people say, you know, there's a hot list, well if a stolen car runs past a certain checkpoint in Tucker where one of these cameras is then it sends a notification to a police officer in that moment.

1271
02:00:53,000 --> 02:01:07,000
And so they know someone's rolling through Tucker with a stolen vehicle. So there's an element of live data to be had there, but it is not a live continuous camera feed or a live camera product that they can kind of click a camera and see a thing.

1272
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:09,000
It's just like a photo.

1273
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:22,000
Information of this nature, I wanted to highlight this particular LPR information of this nature is protected by state law and not available to the public.

1274
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:39,000
And when I say that I mean specifically a search of a license plate. So if for some reason city staff doesn't search it, but if it's a cab county PD officer searched a specific license plate number for a specific reason the results of how many times it popped up in the city that's not publicly available information.

1275
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:45,000
You can see a report of who searched and when they searched and why they searched, but the exact license plate is private.

1276
02:01:45,000 --> 02:02:03,000
I make that point to emphasize that the state of Georgia is a very open open records state. And so really there's very few protected areas where video footage is not given to the public and this is one of those few exceptions.

1277
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:12,000
The last thing I wanted to highlight here were partner agency cameras. So just to be clear, in addition to what the city of Tucker might have with the 15 block cameras.

1278
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:18,000
The cab county, of course, has their own set of cameras which they've rolled out through their digital shield initiative.

1279
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:27,000
They announced that on October 1st on the website, you can see lots of very good details there to kind of understand what their what their vision is and what they're trying to do with that.

1280
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:42,000
They also work with the community through the voluntary fuchsious program where a private property owner can integrate their cameras to the system or instead of integrating them maybe register them and say, if there's a crime, you can ask from my camera data, that sort of thing.

1281
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:51,000
As it was last published on the website, DKPD has 271 flock LPRs and 500 plus cameras county wide.

1282
02:02:51,000 --> 02:03:00,000
That number is old, I think, a year to old, I would imagine it's higher now, but that's the last published data point I could find.

1283
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:09,000
And just to be clear, DKPD has partnered in a very limited scenario to provide some video access to Tucker public works.

1284
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:23,000
In the case of emergency weather response, so there is an element there of information sharing where we've agreed that there is a limited scenario where let's just say it's snowing on how and someone's car has skitted out.

1285
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:36,000
It doesn't require a police officer to necessarily physically be there, they could call public works and we could coordinate together emergency responses usually the only case for that would be acceptable.

1286
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:47,000
So we're back to this same spectrum, these are our six use cases, city facilities, city parks, leased LPRs, partner agencies, and then we did the smart light pilot.

1287
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:55,000
So now to the decision point, whether or not the city would be open to doing smart lights and cameras in downtown at the Tuckertown green.

1288
02:03:55,000 --> 02:04:02,000
And so in order to sort of facilitate that discussion, I put together a couple policy spectrums.

1289
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:11,000
And my goal here is just to try to help us wage through what our values are and what's acceptable to us and why it isn't acceptable.

1290
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:16,000
Certainly I have framed these in a particular way, you're welcome to frame them in a different way.

1291
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:22,000
If you think that it's insufficient, obviously this is just sort of a moving conversation together here.

1292
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:34,000
So smart light use cases, we're looking at Tuckertown green, we're looking at Main Street and then the future would be looking at off road pedestrian trails, places with bad cell access, you're down on the riverbed,

1293
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:44,000
I'm over by Peter's Park, there's tree canopy, that sort of thing we're looking to fill a gap and meet a need in those difficult spaces to get to.

1294
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:56,000
And this is a rerun of what I mentioned back in August we talked about what our values are and really what we want to focus on with any project of this nature that we'd roll out.

1295
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:05,000
Obviously we only want to do it with smart goals in mind we need to be specific about what we want to measure and what we're trying to achieve with any added cameras in the public space.

1296
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:21,000
Obviously they would be there to promote public safety, transparency and trust in this process making sure we discuss them with community equitable internet access is a huge part of this project which is not in the scope of discussing cameras but it's a part of this smart light project.

1297
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:38,000
And this responsibility, service reliability, secure system design, these are all the things that we're thinking about when we think whether or not the project got to move forward and these are the things that staff is trying to get ahead of and make sure that we implement before we even bring something to you.

1298
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:45,000
So smart lights, smart lights with embedded cameras are the next technology that we're looking at.

1299
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:52,000
This technology opens discussion on what I see as three main policy spectrums.

1300
02:05:52,000 --> 02:06:00,000
We have these use case scenarios, we have public camera accessibility and we have the use of AI in public cameras.

1301
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:09,000
So this discussion will help direct staff as to whether to bring a contract for consideration and if so what those limitations would be.

1302
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:28,000
So the framework that we've used to discuss whether or not we would add cameras in these different situations is whether or not we'd add them to places with high volume and that really should say pedestrian volume, high pedestrian volume and low visibility.

1303
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:43,000
And so when the only places that we've really discussed adding this type of service, this type of live camera service is on Main Street and at Tuckertown Green, those are places where we have 1,000 plus people for large events.

1304
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:52,000
And then in the future we would certainly say if this is the technology that the city likes and would continue to roll out we would look at low visibility places.

1305
02:06:52,000 --> 02:07:03,000
We have a lot of miles of off road trail which is different than a sidewalk obviously of the accountability of a 100 cars going by you don't have that when you're again under the tree canopy off road.

1306
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:14,000
So this is the framework that we would use to implement cameras obviously we would discuss with you if they were going to expand beyond different uses but this is this is sort of where we are.

1307
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,000
So I'd like to just park for a minute.

1308
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:22,000
We have some cameras that are for the purpose of securing city facilities.

1309
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:33,000
I think we could all agree that if we bought another facility we would put up more cameras and that facility that would be an acceptable expansion of cameras that you know wouldn't require additional oversight.

1310
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:43,000
I think we could agree that if there was one issue in one particular spot typically staff has the bandwidth to respond to those and say we're going to respond to this known issue.

1311
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:54,000
And generally with the support of council we want to do that so the next step is do we want to add cameras to high volume places and low visibility places with general support of council.

1312
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:58,000
I think you excellent presentation.

1313
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:05,000
Good thought good background let's go to the security facilities real quick because like the new public works building.

1314
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:12,000
We'll have cameras in that new public work building for security and safety theft that kind of thing right.

1315
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:16,000
Okay and that at cameras in response to known problems and complaints.

1316
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:24,000
I know and some of you may not know that don't live in district three but we've had someone shooting off a gun in the middle of the night at Henderson Park.

1317
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:27,000
And so we have a camera.

1318
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,000
That place there.

1319
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:41,000
To help didn't help this time but close enough right we saw a little bit and so that's an instance there and the minute we got emails from neighbors it was pull up your cameras.

1320
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:44,000
First thing they said right can you check your cameras.

1321
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,000
Now we're talking here.

1322
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:56,000
Your focus more on the smart lights for ad cameras to high volume low visibility because you've done a lot of work on this and you don't want to bring this in June.

1323
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:59,000
If we don't want you to right okay.

1324
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:07,000
I just want to set that straight I think there's other times to talk about these other contracts when they come up but you wanted to just put that out there to lay.

1325
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,000
Groundwork for what we've got.

1326
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:12,000
Let everybody understand and know that.

1327
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:17,000
Come back to those other initial types of camera usage but tonight you want.

1328
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:22,000
Add cameras to high volume and low visibility public spaces.

1329
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,000
Okay.

1330
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:24,000
All right.

1331
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:25,000
Discussion.

1332
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:28,000
Questions any questions first.

1333
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,000
Questions.

1334
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:31,000
Well.

1335
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:33,000
Hold on.

1336
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:34,000
Questions.

1337
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:36,000
Amy.

1338
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,000
So clarifying that.

1339
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:47,000
We'll discuss one slide at a time like the various aspects of installing cameras and that kind of things.

1340
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:53,000
So this one is specifically for where and kind of why we would do it.

1341
02:09:53,000 --> 02:10:01,000
Yeah, it's really my hope here was to acquire a why is this an acceptable framework to even talk about at all level when you have staff.

1342
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:04,000
We're living a day to day and we're you know saying,

1343
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:14,000
you know, this, you know, is this a good reason to even talk about it or should we just, you know, this is not it is or it isn't a good reason for us to have a discussion and do the like work.

1344
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:19,000
Go to contractors pull together prices or you just say, you know, skip this all together.

1345
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:22,000
We don't we don't need this type of framework to to look at cameras.

1346
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:27,000
That's kind of where I'm at.

1347
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:38,000
And I'm like kind of the format of this all can we break this into a couple of different ways more specifically smart cameras and regular cameras.

1348
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:47,000
I think those are very large distinctions in terms of like use case of you know, like benefits and negatives right.

1349
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:51,000
So tonight it's nine o'clock.

1350
02:10:51,000 --> 02:11:02,000
We've had the groundwork here tonight when we leave you need the answer about adding cameras to high volume low visibility public spaces and we can come back.

1351
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:10,000
If we need to on flock and all those others I think you and I discussed that last week too that we were going to have this is a background of all of our cameras.

1352
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:20,000
But tonight again is being focused on whether you come back in June the next meeting with a contract for that particular smart.

1353
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:25,000
Camera that's Georgia power and Comcast correct.

1354
02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:34,000
Yes and there are two more spectrums there's two more policy slides after this one and I would also like to say apologize I meant to put this PowerPoint up last week.

1355
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:40,000
Both my links were to a memo and not one of them was to a PowerPoint so it was done in advance and I apologize for that.

1356
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:49,000
Do you want to go to those other two slides yes and I can I can hit those real quick and then we can jump if you guys want to start on different one of these three we can start on a different one of these three.

1357
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:59,000
So the next policy spectrum that we have in and around we could you know the city could reasonably have no cameras we have cameras.

1358
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:04,000
We have the the first green box to your left basically says.

1359
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:08,000
We've rolled out responsive cameras.

1360
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:18,000
The second green box identifies we've had cameras for the purpose of review after the fact only so I can in the day in the parks we don't have any live view of those cameras.

1361
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:22,000
That's a different use case than if we have live access to a camera that's.

1362
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:26,000
We have DK PD access to.

1363
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:34,000
Block data from LPR's which is live but again they don't have access to a live camera feed of something that we've installed.

1364
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:38,000
So the question is whether we would want to take that next step.

1365
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:44,000
Is the city interested in having live cameras out in the community which is.

1366
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,000
How to go quickly different than some of the other things we have.

1367
02:12:47,000 --> 02:12:50,000
That we can view the feed.

1368
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,000
And.

1369
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:57,000
Is that something that we want to give access to DK PD in the real time crime center to view live as well.

1370
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:03,000
So those are kind of two incremental policy steps one of them says this type of camera and this type of location.

1371
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:10,000
And the second says we shared some data with DK PD if we add this type of camera and this type of location.

1372
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:14,000
Would we also share this type of this new type of data with DK PD.

1373
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:19,000
So those two things they don't have to move together they you could accept one and reject the other.

1374
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:24,000
But I think that they make sense on a spectrum together which is why presented this way.

1375
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:29,000
So again that's going back to the smart lighting decision.

1376
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,000
Do we want it.

1377
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:36,000
That vendor whatever this is another policy.

1378
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,000
Decision under that.

1379
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,000
Yeah, and if you guys were to say.

1380
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:45,000
No product of cameras we're only going to put them out there when we respond to things.

1381
02:13:45,000 --> 02:13:49,000
That would be a great direction to staff we wouldn't ask questions we'd wait for things to come to us.

1382
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:53,000
And then we would just respond to them and that's a policy level decision that.

1383
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:56,000
Makes it easier for us to know when to ask questions and when to just.

1384
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:00,000
I could put our heads down and focus on other priorities.

1385
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:03,000
The last spectrum here is an AI spectrum.

1386
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:08,000
I have generally sensed not very much interested in using AI.

1387
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:14,000
I think a lot of people think of having AI watching over them as something makes them rather uncomfortable.

1388
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,000
That's my interpretation of it.

1389
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:22,000
And so I've put up here a spectrum of use cases that was brought to us by the contractor.

1390
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:28,000
And I've identified I think the only two that I've received responses.

1391
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:35,000
Generally that makes sense for our community based on what I know, although clearly I'm looking for your feedback on those things.

1392
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:38,000
That's not my interpretation that matters most.

1393
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:43,000
And so on the spectrum of whether or not we would use AI analysis in these cameras.

1394
02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:46,000
Are there certain use cases that we would or wouldn't use.

1395
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:51,000
And I know that there's an element of saying, well, if you turn AI on it's on.

1396
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:57,000
And the one thing I would say in response to that is that we pay for a certain amount of processing power.

1397
02:14:57,000 --> 02:15:00,000
And so if it runs one or two.

1398
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:12,000
The process is at any given time. Then we would pay more money to run six processes and use more back-to-end power to analyze and to store that information and that sort of thing.

1399
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:18,000
But yeah, it's all in the same boat and yeah, which was to your perspective.

1400
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:26,000
Are you thinking like, we use place or AI right now? Is it something similar?

1401
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:32,000
I wouldn't put it in the same camp.

1402
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,000
It's tracking you on your phone.

1403
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,000
Yeah.

1404
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,000
Okay.

1405
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:37,000
It is.

1406
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:38,000
It's tracking.

1407
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:42,000
So go back to the first slide because that's the first thing we're going to deal with first because there's

1408
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:47,000
no need to talk about the others if we don't want to do smart lighting.

1409
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:49,000
Okay.

1410
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:52,000
Yes.

1411
02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:54,000
Okay.

1412
02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,000
Big.

1413
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:04,000
I, in order to answer this question, I feel like I need just a little bit more information around this conversation

1414
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,000
around safety and how we define safety.

1415
02:16:07,000 --> 02:16:21,000
So, and also, I was very excited about the smart lights from the Wi-Fi capability and bringing public like Wi-Fi access to our community.

1416
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:35,000
In our public spaces and so, as we're having this conversation, like there are values that fall under this that are distinct from how we're thinking about the camera or not.

1417
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:42,000
So I understand what the mirror is saying, but also there are computing like interests in this.

1418
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:46,000
And if I could confirm you, we could absolutely have Wi-Fi.

1419
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:47,000
No cameras.

1420
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:51,000
We could order a product that only has Wi-Fi routers and has no cameras in them.

1421
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:53,000
That's a total possibility.

1422
02:16:53,000 --> 02:17:00,000
Because I was like, yay lighting, yay more lighting generally, yay more access to Wi-Fi generally.

1423
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:12,000
My other question is about, as it relates to the public spaces and potentially in the future things like trails within the parks, not our trail network.

1424
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:17,000
Have we looked at things like safety call boxes?

1425
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:20,000
That's a good question.

1426
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,000
I have not personally looked at them at different times.

1427
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:27,000
I know that any time we've talked about it with engineering,

1428
02:17:27,000 --> 02:17:32,000
yet since we haven't reached the policy point of saying, we are doing it in this particular way.

1429
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:38,000
It's really just been conversations, but I think, yes, a number of times we've talked about this, we said,

1430
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:40,000
it's one thing to have internet access.

1431
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:44,000
It's another thing to have a blue phone, like you have on a downtown university campus.

1432
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:49,000
And that would be something we would definitely look closely at, certainly, again, on to the tree canopy.

1433
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:50,000
That's really helpful.

1434
02:17:50,000 --> 02:18:00,000
Just from again, as I'm trying to think through what the purpose and use of these cameras are around safety.

1435
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:04,000
So kind of thinking about prevention as well as response.

1436
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:05,000
So that's helpful.

1437
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:06,000
So thank you for that.

1438
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:15,000
Good question. I know downtown campuses have gotten rid of their call boxes because they have access to the, you know, their phones all over,

1439
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:21,000
but when you're in areas, better and more remote along a creek or wherever else.

1440
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:26,000
Yeah, you need to probably, we need to look at those and see what some other folks have done on their trails.

1441
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:32,000
My biggest concern is trails and being hidden in what just happened on the belt line.

1442
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:37,000
So it doesn't prevent it, but you can sure track some folks and get them before they do it to somebody else.

1443
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:39,000
So I agree.

1444
02:18:39,000 --> 02:18:41,000
Anybody else?

1445
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:46,000
Okay, so we know we said Wi-Fi and lighting to good uses.

1446
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:51,000
I don't know if we want to spend all that money for just Wi-Fi and lighting, but it's what's what was important.

1447
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:58,000
So those two important things right there.

1448
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:07,000
Yeah, basically, control and supportive of smart lights as Wi-Fi access.

1449
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:17,000
I am not supportive of camera systems right now that are maintained by anybody other than like an actual security company.

1450
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:25,000
I think there is an expectation from the public that we would have cameras on city owned property.

1451
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:37,000
But I don't think there's an expectation and there is a lot of justified fear about video footage being accessible to anybody other than city employees.

1452
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:42,000
So maybe the entire smart light concept is not right for us right now.

1453
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:54,000
I'm supportive of the Wi-Fi part of it, but not of the camera data access where video footage of families and anybody visiting the city could potentially be shared outside of the city.

1454
02:19:54,000 --> 02:20:06,000
I think that was much better said than I ever could.

1455
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:15,000
Is it possible to do any like dumb cameras system adjacent to this?

1456
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:21,000
I'm running through two or three different filters to get there.

1457
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:28,000
One is the dumb camera in terms of like internal loop.

1458
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:31,000
Yeah, CCTV kind of thing.

1459
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:41,000
I mean, I know that there is an analog difference and I'm not the IT guy, so I will say to the degree that was possible for the pilot.

1460
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:55,000
Literally the wire that carried the data went into the annex and so like you know it's the way that the fiber internet works as opposed to you know any other type of wire as one might conceive of it.

1461
02:20:55,000 --> 02:21:06,000
Fiber is one point to one point and so there's none of this like my data got mixed like it would on an electrical wire where a big lot wires since a connection to a thousand places.

1462
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:27,000
Your fiber is one to one and no one touches it and so the only way, but I hesitate to give a strong information that says it, you know, if we went with this smart light head and there's Wi-Fi and there's you know a closed loop camera that just goes to the city server doesn't go anywhere else.

1463
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:41,000
I just, I wouldn't feel comfortable guaranteeing that a person couldn't ever hack the Wi-Fi and then watch the closed loop or someone couldn't kind of pull on the side of the wall and go hack the little server that we had that holds it all.

1464
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:46,000
I mean to the degree possible we can definitely make it close loop instead of connected to something else.

1465
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:58,000
And if we'd like to dial it way back and look at an actual CCT sorry I just hit that and actually like older type of technology that's more analog at something we could certainly consider.

1466
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:13,000
Yeah you're never going to get rid of like all the threats and bone abilities right but my question is this more of can we go with a older system that the software is not sending to someone else and it's just only going to us.

1467
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:24,000
We could look at something like that I don't think that would match with the product that we're looking at at all that's just got too many features and stuff that I'm not sure we could get it to function quite that way but.

1468
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:26,000
That could be a kind of approach that we could look at.

1469
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,000
Okay.

1470
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:32,000
Then I'm right with Councilmember Chocchi and kind of.

1471
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:46,000
From against this whole smart life that we can't close it out from third parties there's just no guarantees that we can control that data there's no auditability you know and there's no.

1472
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:58,000
You're in the future that you know a simple term of service change doesn't open us up to that kind of vulnerability and liability.

1473
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:09,000
So you couldn't do let's just say at the park right not mainstream we own the Tucker town green it's our facility there is a facility there.

1474
02:23:09,000 --> 02:23:15,000
If we chose to use the smart lights you couldn't close loop it like you did.

1475
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:27,000
On the walkway yeah so we we would we could we certainly could and the way that we have the infrastructure right now designed to set up it would basically close loop down behind the stage.

1476
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:33,000
And yeah the really the only vulnerability would be if you had someone out there who was capable enough to.

1477
02:23:33,000 --> 02:23:42,000
Hack into the smart lights and just get in the middle of however that work said not still enough to speak about it so.

1478
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:45,000
Lighting we already have lighting out there we have lighting.

1479
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:50,000
We don't have Wi-Fi for folks okay so smart lights offer Wi-Fi but.

1480
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:56,000
Okay get rid of that I'm just looking at now do we even spend the money right.

1481
02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:00,000
On smart lights just for Wi-Fi.

1482
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:07,000
Because if we're not going to use all of its capability or the majority of its capability.

1483
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:10,000
Honestly why bother.

1484
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:20,000
You know I mean I would love to have some cameras there we've got damage to the park it's somebody damage some of the stuff on the stage so we see that but it would be cameras like we have.

1485
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:25,000
And our other parks and I know that.

1486
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:27,000
Lieutenant O bester.

1487
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:35,000
Said that there is a officer who is an environmental design officer who does look at security and parks for the cab in general.

1488
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:40,000
Who could come in and help us with that not saying we'd hook up to their cameras but tell us.

1489
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:46,000
Good placement for our own cameras which would be great.

1490
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:49,000
Yeah when I'm hearing as.

1491
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:53,000
Maybe we just do that I mean we've got lighting now.

1492
02:24:53,000 --> 02:25:00,000
We do that we look at the design safety of it where do we put some cameras that are like we're currently using that's only.

1493
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:04,000
Specific access and not tied into anybody else.

1494
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,000
Okay see heads there.

1495
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,000
Good.

1496
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:14,000
So I have a couple of things about that one is.

1497
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:27,000
I was under the understanding that part of our town green design on the town green side around lighting was with the assumption that we would have some other additional lighting in the park so I think there's some.

1498
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:30,000
Like strong lighting I think.

1499
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:35,000
But I didn't think that we were sort of stopping there because I thought we were having these these other lighting.

1500
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:41,000
I like the idea of having you know some advice around where to place.

1501
02:25:41,000 --> 02:25:47,000
Not just potentially cameras but lights and call boxes if we don't whatever.

1502
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:53,000
But so one is that I think it would be helpful in terms of the.

1503
02:25:53,000 --> 02:26:00,000
Monetary conversation and investment conversation to be able to have a comparison though because.

1504
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:07,000
Something for years like we originally were going to do with our but we never did was talk about broadband access and Wi-Fi so like.

1505
02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:17,000
Yes, maybe it's not the smart lights, but also I don't know what to compare that to in terms of a city providing like Wi-Fi and public spot.

1506
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:24,000
So I just would say that it would be helpful comparison cost if we're having the is it worth it conversation.

1507
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:26,000
And then.

1508
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:29,000
You know I think this is where.

1509
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:41,000
It's hard to have this conversation without having the other because some of some of the feedback that I know I have heard from multiple people in the community is.

1510
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:58,000
It's a question of who's like actually potentially accessing it but it's also about what's the accountability when it is misused or accessed in accurately and because we as the city don't have ownership over that data.

1511
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:10,000
I mean we get asked the question and we don't have very good answers about what leverage do we have to hold somebody potentially misusing our you know information that we is access because we put.

1512
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:15,000
The camera there there doesn't you know that that's a big question that's out there.

1513
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:18,000
I think that parallels with.

1514
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:20,000
So we don't do something on top green.

1515
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:24,000
So many people continue to ask about the D.

1516
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:31,000
You know the to cap PD camera and light at the at Main Street in the railroad tracks.

1517
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:36,000
So they also asked about to cap PD at.

1518
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:40,000
It wasn't a no king's protest but the one before that.

1519
02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:43,000
Having those deployed in the city of Tucker so.

1520
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:55,000
But whatever we decide to do with our cameras we still also have a need to identify and be clear on what the relationship is between like our.

1521
02:27:55,000 --> 02:28:09,000
Our cameras and the cabinet's cameras and how those are being used because it really sucks to not be able to have an answer to that question which we do get because it is a hot topic over and over again and not be able to.

1522
02:28:09,000 --> 02:28:11,000
I want to be a.

1523
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:13,000
Supportor and booster.

1524
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:21,000
For our to cap PD I think they do a great job and I think we have great resources here and so not being able to answer that question around safety is really difficult.

1525
02:28:21,000 --> 02:28:30,000
So I just I'm saying like yes on the one hand we're saying we don't have a camera but the cap PD does have a camera and they are you know I don't know how it's used and we get that question.

1526
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:37,000
So that's good not for tonight but that is good and I know that you guys did a one page or on all of that and you got information.

1527
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:43,000
From D. K. PD and their usage and that's out there too I believe on their website so.

1528
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:50,000
Yes very good and and I appreciate that and we do need to look at a policy for ourselves internally.

1529
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:53,000
If Micah grows rogue one day and.

1530
02:28:53,000 --> 02:29:03,000
You know once you use the camera that what does that look like right what does that look like so I think I've written both of those down for us to come back to.

1531
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:13,000
These smart lights we're going to be in the current lights they were not additional lighting right we were going to change the light hits they were going to be entirely.

1532
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:20,000
Yeah so the colonial style we have we're going to go away for something that what you know slightly more modern kind of a different cone shape.

1533
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:29,000
Okay so not additional lights just the lighting we have but maybe we do look at what do we need for some additional lights.

1534
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:31,000
So.

1535
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:34,000
Right now we're saying.

1536
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:48,000
Anybody else anybody else got a little bit I'm not in I'm not a hundred percent sure where I am per say obviously I do feel like.

1537
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:58,000
We want to make sure as it talked about inside that one of the sides that that you know the third party is someone we feel like we can trust.

1538
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,000
I am interested in the technique.

1539
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
So that's just what I'm thinking about that is something that I feel like is important in necessary, but I'm

1540
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:31,980
struggling with.

1541
02:30:31,980 --> 02:30:37,980
I'd have them everywhere and I'd have them live everywhere. It doesn't bother me, but I'm not a dictator.

1542
02:30:37,980 --> 02:30:44,980
So this is a discussion. I don't care if they're here here, because everybody can track you no matter what you do.

1543
02:30:44,980 --> 02:30:48,980
I'd love them live, so we could catch somebody in the act, right?

1544
02:30:48,980 --> 02:30:56,980
Or whatever, and it's not after the fact, but if that's not the will, I mean, I don't know why we would do it if they're not going to be alive.

1545
02:30:56,980 --> 02:30:59,980
I just feel like that's a lot of money.

1546
02:30:59,980 --> 02:31:00,980
Yeah.

1547
02:31:00,980 --> 02:31:08,980
And effort for the things that we're saying we care about is not going to be solved by these anymore.

1548
02:31:08,980 --> 02:31:18,980
And maybe that discussion should have been had before you did all that work, but I think you did a good job now of laying that out.

1549
02:31:18,980 --> 02:31:20,980
Yeah.

1550
02:31:20,980 --> 02:31:28,980
Could I just say, I felt like I heard maybe there's some openness to cameras if they're closed, if it's actually like dialed down.

1551
02:31:28,980 --> 02:31:38,980
It's actually so like the current camera system we have in the parks where, in order for staff to access that, we have to send an email to a third party that's been selected by Georgia Power

1552
02:31:38,980 --> 02:31:44,980
and if Georgia Power can keep someone accountable, I don't know who can, but big boys in the room.

1553
02:31:44,980 --> 02:31:50,980
But so we've got a structure that works there that I think we've seen comfortable with.

1554
02:31:50,980 --> 02:32:00,980
So if there's willingness to say, hey, maybe we could add some security cameras and we don't mind that it sits on the side of the pole and looks like a security camera looks like it's staring at you.

1555
02:32:00,980 --> 02:32:06,980
But you know, what's used the structure that we have and try that, all the poles in our park are already Georgia Power poles.

1556
02:32:06,980 --> 02:32:12,980
We could attach it to that using that type of relationship.

1557
02:32:12,980 --> 02:32:26,980
What's funny say that because I'd actually made a note about, I want to understand, we don't have to do it here, but I want to understand a little bit more about who Georgia Power's park's camera vendor is.

1558
02:32:26,980 --> 02:32:34,980
There's been some companies that have been used by seemingly trustworthy entities and they have not been good actors.

1559
02:32:34,980 --> 02:32:44,980
So I'm not saying that I would want to use the same setup for downtown as we do in the other parks.

1560
02:32:44,980 --> 02:32:52,980
I want to understand a little bit more about what we currently have in the parks and that company and kind of look into them before I would agree to it.

1561
02:32:53,980 --> 02:33:05,980
Yeah, and it might just be a good time to review that in general for our parks as we're opening up Henderson and planning for safety with Henderson master plan and for Johnson said as well might be a good time.

1562
02:33:05,980 --> 02:33:11,980
To look at that, are we, do we have the best cameras in there? Do we have the best service, right?

1563
02:33:11,980 --> 02:33:16,980
Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, one last one.

1564
02:33:16,980 --> 02:33:22,980
Yeah, I'm not opposed to live cameras is the fact that someone else is processing, right?

1565
02:33:22,980 --> 02:33:31,980
I think, you know, with all the reports and open records request, we see that these LPRs are not just reading license plate, right?

1566
02:33:31,980 --> 02:33:41,980
They take a whole video, they process it, they read the license plate, but everything else is also being captured and everything else is also being classified, right?

1567
02:33:41,980 --> 02:33:49,980
The person, what they're wearing, what their ethnicity guesses, all that is being stored, that's kind of the main problem.

1568
02:33:49,980 --> 02:33:58,980
So there is a need for us to have live cameras and cameras in general, it's just we need more control and auditability.

1569
02:33:58,980 --> 02:34:06,980
Again, I think you mentioned that there are logs with the LPRs, however, that has changed.

1570
02:34:06,980 --> 02:34:12,980
It no longer provides who requested it, no longer provides a lot of detailed details.

1571
02:34:12,980 --> 02:34:17,980
It just says someone requested something that passed your camera, right?

1572
02:34:17,980 --> 02:34:21,980
So we have no control, we have no sale of it.

1573
02:34:21,980 --> 02:34:36,980
I do think, you know, if we do scale up our cameras, we would need additional personnel to process it and have a gatekeep and someone to review the logs for reviews.

1574
02:34:36,980 --> 02:34:42,980
Is it just, and I'm just going to ask this, because I don't know, is it just flock, that's the problem.

1575
02:34:42,980 --> 02:34:44,980
It's a majority of.

1576
02:34:44,980 --> 02:34:45,980
Okay.

1577
02:34:45,980 --> 02:34:48,980
All right. All right. Are you good?

1578
02:34:48,980 --> 02:34:53,980
Could I click through just one more slide here? I think the AI slide I'm ready to go to.

1579
02:34:53,980 --> 02:34:54,980
I'm ready to go to you.

1580
02:34:54,980 --> 02:34:55,980
Yes.

1581
02:34:55,980 --> 02:34:56,980
I have more presentations.

1582
02:34:56,980 --> 02:34:57,980
So an executive session.

1583
02:34:57,980 --> 02:34:59,980
I'm just looking at proactive camera rollout.

1584
02:34:59,980 --> 02:35:03,980
I'm getting a yellow slash green and I'm just looking at the policy values here.

1585
02:35:03,980 --> 02:35:04,980
All right.

1586
02:35:04,980 --> 02:35:05,980
I think I'm good.

1587
02:35:05,980 --> 02:35:08,980
I just need to look at that last box and make sure I understand.

1588
02:35:08,980 --> 02:35:13,980
Yeah, I think it's, but I think it's maybe looking at who are we using, who it is.

1589
02:35:14,980 --> 02:35:17,980
And are the placements where they are now working, right?

1590
02:35:17,980 --> 02:35:21,980
Because we've got them somewhere and if you shine headlights at it, it doesn't work.

1591
02:35:21,980 --> 02:35:22,980
Yeah.

1592
02:35:22,980 --> 02:35:26,980
If I may ask one more question.

1593
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:29,980
So are we still interested in Wi-Fi at the park?

1594
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:32,980
Or is that something, I mean, right now we wouldn't have to roll Wi-Fi at a main street.

1595
02:35:32,980 --> 02:35:38,980
I'm not sure that has relevant anymore since we do more of our events at the park and less on main street.

1596
02:35:38,980 --> 02:35:42,980
But is that a scope you'd still like to see?

1597
02:35:43,980 --> 02:35:48,980
I mean, I don't, I don't know if it's for like June.

1598
02:35:48,980 --> 02:35:54,980
But I also think it's maybe a, I think there's maybe a larger conversation about what is,

1599
02:35:54,980 --> 02:35:57,980
Are we a city that does public Wi-Fi?

1600
02:35:57,980 --> 02:35:59,980
Because there's a lot of different ways that look.

1601
02:35:59,980 --> 02:36:02,980
So, I mean, it did, yeah.

1602
02:36:02,980 --> 02:36:07,980
But I mean, I'd like to have it at the park, but I'd like to have it at our parks where we have no,

1603
02:36:07,980 --> 02:36:11,980
It's where we have no, it won't access in all places like Henderson.

1604
02:36:11,980 --> 02:36:14,980
I know that's come up in the master planning process.

1605
02:36:14,980 --> 02:36:17,980
So, I'm just, I think it's a bigger discussion, I guess.

1606
02:36:17,980 --> 02:36:20,980
We know you're getting ready to go on paternity leave.

1607
02:36:20,980 --> 02:36:21,980
That's true.

1608
02:36:21,980 --> 02:36:22,980
It is true.

1609
02:36:22,980 --> 02:36:24,980
So, maybe something you want to think about.

1610
02:36:24,980 --> 02:36:25,980
Okay.

1611
02:36:25,980 --> 02:36:30,980
And maybe there's what are other options for us in those public spaces for Wi-Fi?

1612
02:36:30,980 --> 02:36:31,980
Okay.

1613
02:36:31,980 --> 02:36:33,980
And just let us know what those look like.

1614
02:36:33,980 --> 02:36:34,980
All right.

1615
02:36:34,980 --> 02:36:35,980
Thank you guys.

1616
02:36:35,980 --> 02:36:36,980
I appreciate all your work on this.

1617
02:36:36,980 --> 02:36:37,980
You really did a good job.

1618
02:36:37,980 --> 02:36:38,980
Good discussion.

1619
02:36:38,980 --> 02:36:39,980
Good job.

1620
02:36:39,980 --> 02:36:40,980
Excellent.

1621
02:36:40,980 --> 02:36:41,980
Excellent job, Micah.

1622
02:36:41,980 --> 02:36:42,980
All right.

1623
02:36:42,980 --> 02:36:43,980
Thank you.

1624
02:36:43,980 --> 02:36:44,980
Okay.

1625
02:36:44,980 --> 02:36:45,980
We're going to move on to staff reports.

1626
02:36:45,980 --> 02:36:47,980
And first, I was very rude at the beginning of the meeting.

1627
02:36:47,980 --> 02:36:55,980
And I did not officially introduce Craig Zalkesky, who's here for his first meeting

1628
02:36:55,980 --> 02:36:58,980
with us our new parks director.

1629
02:36:58,980 --> 02:36:59,980
Yeah.

1630
02:36:59,980 --> 02:37:00,980
Thank you for being here.

1631
02:37:00,980 --> 02:37:04,980
Now, get to work on those cameras.

1632
02:37:04,980 --> 02:37:05,980
I'm just kidding.

1633
02:37:05,980 --> 02:37:10,980
You already experienced some of that.

1634
02:37:10,980 --> 02:37:11,980
Okay.

1635
02:37:11,980 --> 02:37:12,980
Okay.

1636
02:37:12,980 --> 02:37:13,980
Child, I fire.

1637
02:37:13,980 --> 02:37:14,980
All right.

1638
02:37:14,980 --> 02:37:16,980
So, that'd be second.

1639
02:37:16,980 --> 02:37:19,980
I did it on was a presentation.

1640
02:37:19,980 --> 02:37:22,980
I did that.

1641
02:37:22,980 --> 02:37:23,980
Page.

1642
02:37:23,980 --> 02:37:24,980
Page.

1643
02:37:24,980 --> 02:37:25,980
Page.

1644
02:37:25,980 --> 02:37:26,980
One.

1645
02:37:26,980 --> 02:37:27,980
Two.

1646
02:37:27,980 --> 02:37:28,980
Two.

1647
02:37:28,980 --> 02:37:29,980
Two.

1648
02:37:29,980 --> 02:37:30,980
Two.

1649
02:37:30,980 --> 02:37:31,980
Two.

1650
02:37:32,980 --> 02:37:35,980
All right.

1651
02:37:35,980 --> 02:37:37,980
Good evening.

1652
02:37:37,980 --> 02:37:38,980
Sorry.

1653
02:37:38,980 --> 02:37:41,980
We were just organizing our presentations for the next two.

1654
02:37:41,980 --> 02:37:46,980
Tonight, the fee schedule update is actually just hopefully a very quick conversation

1655
02:37:46,980 --> 02:37:48,980
for some guidance for the second read.

1656
02:37:48,980 --> 02:37:55,980
Because we had feedback during the first read, but we didn't get specific direction on what changes we might actually need.

1657
02:37:55,980 --> 02:38:00,980
So, focusing on two items in the fee schedule for the upcoming approval in June.

1658
02:38:00,980 --> 02:38:05,980
For the budget and the fee schedule that coincides with that.

1659
02:38:05,980 --> 02:38:15,980
So, the first one was the Tuckerton Green hourly rate versus the six hours, 12 hours, and then the maintenance fee as well.

1660
02:38:15,980 --> 02:38:24,980
Let me just scroll toward those.

1661
02:38:24,980 --> 02:38:25,980
So, they're both right here.

1662
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:29,980
Inside of this Tuckerton Green kind of encompass under.

1663
02:38:29,980 --> 02:38:31,980
Under this section.

1664
02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:38,980
We did hear that we thought that the rate was not high enough for the hourly rate and maybe.

1665
02:38:38,980 --> 02:38:44,980
Using a only a half day full day six hour 12 hour scheduling instead of hourly rates.

1666
02:38:44,980 --> 02:38:47,980
So, we just wanted to come back have that conversation.

1667
02:38:47,980 --> 02:38:48,980
On that.

1668
02:38:48,980 --> 02:38:50,980
And then the second was the maintenance tech.

1669
02:38:50,980 --> 02:38:51,980
Which would be a change.

1670
02:38:51,980 --> 02:38:55,980
I think I have another presentation of what Sarah has suggested.

1671
02:38:55,980 --> 02:38:59,980
Looking at other what she did before we even came to this and then with your SS input.

1672
02:38:59,980 --> 02:39:06,980
So, just moving that out from under the Tuckerton Green and just a generic line in the fee schedule.

1673
02:39:06,980 --> 02:39:10,980
So that it could be used at other park rentals as well where it's needed.

1674
02:39:10,980 --> 02:39:22,980
So, we can flip over to the other one.

1675
02:39:23,980 --> 02:39:26,980
I'm going to show the, I'm going to, you guys have copies of this as well.

1676
02:39:26,980 --> 02:39:28,980
This is what Sarah had sent.

1677
02:39:28,980 --> 02:39:33,980
You all received an email this morning or might have been the afternoon I can't remember.

1678
02:39:33,980 --> 02:39:35,980
When this all happened.

1679
02:39:35,980 --> 02:39:42,980
But you have a document on your email and on your, on your counter up there.

1680
02:39:42,980 --> 02:39:47,980
With what was sent out this morning to council with the recommendation, the venues that we researched.

1681
02:39:47,980 --> 02:39:50,980
Our social parks and parks and parks, Sarah actually researched it.

1682
02:39:50,980 --> 02:39:55,980
And what her recommendation would be.

1683
02:39:55,980 --> 02:39:59,980
With it being our premier park downtown, it's brand new.

1684
02:39:59,980 --> 02:40:02,980
The yellow highlighted portion is kind of what her rates were.

1685
02:40:02,980 --> 02:40:08,980
I just wanted to note that the 30, the maintenance tech, the $35 an hour.

1686
02:40:08,980 --> 02:40:12,980
Would be a change from the $20 is her suggestion.

1687
02:40:12,980 --> 02:40:16,980
Which is based on what an hourly rate would be for somebody.

1688
02:40:16,980 --> 02:40:20,980
Would be for somebody in that position trying to cover what that cost would be.

1689
02:40:20,980 --> 02:40:21,980
For that.

1690
02:40:21,980 --> 02:40:27,980
So, obviously, we heard that the $100 an hour was not enough.

1691
02:40:27,980 --> 02:40:30,980
I mean, we didn't want it to be the one hour or two hour.

1692
02:40:30,980 --> 02:40:32,980
So, doing a half day full day.

1693
02:40:32,980 --> 02:40:36,980
So, the new suggestion would be 300 an hour.

1694
02:40:36,980 --> 02:40:43,980
It should be 1800 for a half day, 3600 for a full day for anybody to rent it.

1695
02:40:43,980 --> 02:40:49,980
Obviously, we have a lot of partners within city of Tucker and the 501 C3s.

1696
02:40:49,980 --> 02:40:51,980
We have a little different rate.

1697
02:40:51,980 --> 02:40:56,980
So, like the art Tucker's taste of Tucker, those would be a different, it would be a discounted rate.

1698
02:40:56,980 --> 02:40:59,980
Which was at 150 an hour.

1699
02:40:59,980 --> 02:41:01,980
So, there's a little bit.

1700
02:41:01,980 --> 02:41:03,980
That's kind of what we've suggested.

1701
02:41:03,980 --> 02:41:04,980
Obviously, this is an open conversation.

1702
02:41:04,980 --> 02:41:06,980
If you guys think those are too much if we want to be lower.

1703
02:41:06,980 --> 02:41:10,980
What we want, the goal is that we can come back during the second read with those changes.

1704
02:41:10,980 --> 02:41:14,980
In the fee schedule for approval with the budget.

1705
02:41:14,980 --> 02:41:20,980
So, and obviously, Sarah said she wanted to make sure we focus on the prioritization.

1706
02:41:20,980 --> 02:41:22,980
It would obviously be our events first.

1707
02:41:22,980 --> 02:41:27,980
Two would be those non-profit events that we just spoke about in then any other rental.

1708
02:41:27,980 --> 02:41:31,980
But she would want all rentals to allow Tucker time-gradimate,

1709
02:41:31,980 --> 02:41:34,980
remain open to the public throughout the duration of the event.

1710
02:41:34,980 --> 02:41:39,980
Must outline how the proposed event promotes community engagement and outreach.

1711
02:41:39,980 --> 02:41:44,980
And then they will incur that maintenance fee that we just talked about at $35 an hour.

1712
02:41:44,980 --> 02:41:52,980
And then they had to follow any permitting that is set forth by the city of Tucker.

1713
02:41:52,980 --> 02:41:55,980
I like that note, ticketed events too.

1714
02:41:55,980 --> 02:41:56,980
Yes, did I miss that one?

1715
02:41:56,980 --> 02:41:57,980
That was smart.

1716
02:41:57,980 --> 02:42:03,980
So, let's start with maintenance fee because that's not just Tucker town green.

1717
02:42:03,980 --> 02:42:04,980
That's everywhere.

1718
02:42:04,980 --> 02:42:05,980
Yes, that was a comment.

1719
02:42:05,980 --> 02:42:08,980
I don't remember which one of you I think multiple of you actually said it.

1720
02:42:08,980 --> 02:42:11,980
But what about other park rentals?

1721
02:42:11,980 --> 02:42:14,980
We need that maintenance fee as well.

1722
02:42:14,980 --> 02:42:21,980
So, it was suggested to pull it out so it could be used at the other rentable locations as well.

1723
02:42:21,980 --> 02:42:23,980
Okay, so let's talk about that first.

1724
02:42:23,980 --> 02:42:24,980
Okay, at other.

1725
02:42:24,980 --> 02:42:25,980
I'm going to break it down.

1726
02:42:25,980 --> 02:42:29,980
Okay, at other rental spots too.

1727
02:42:29,980 --> 02:42:30,980
Okay.

1728
02:42:31,980 --> 02:42:34,980
I'm just, I'm going to ask that first.

1729
02:42:34,980 --> 02:42:36,980
I'm going to kind of break this one down just a little bit.

1730
02:42:36,980 --> 02:42:38,980
So, okay, at other rentals.

1731
02:42:38,980 --> 02:42:39,980
Okay.

1732
02:42:39,980 --> 02:42:45,980
And then the cost, you showed us in the email how we broke down that cost.

1733
02:42:45,980 --> 02:42:47,980
Okay.

1734
02:42:47,980 --> 02:42:52,980
Yeah, that's the one I so appreciate breaking it out.

1735
02:42:52,980 --> 02:42:56,980
But also personally appreciated.

1736
02:42:56,980 --> 02:43:02,980
And maybe it was too low being able to rent the Henderson Park per billion for $25 or

1737
02:43:02,980 --> 02:43:07,980
some, I guess, an hour, which would, you know, so I've had kids birthday parties out there.

1738
02:43:07,980 --> 02:43:10,980
$75 for three hours.

1739
02:43:10,980 --> 02:43:16,980
And now I'm adding like, the maintenance is more than the hourly rental fee.

1740
02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:22,980
So, I do think we should be charging rental fee, but the scale maybe doesn't.

1741
02:43:22,980 --> 02:43:26,980
And this, the same way that we wouldn't charge the same rate for all the parks.

1742
02:43:26,980 --> 02:43:28,980
Maybe we shouldn't charge the same maintenance rate.

1743
02:43:28,980 --> 02:43:33,980
Because I don't want to price people out of being able to have a nice, like, affordable community

1744
02:43:33,980 --> 02:43:34,980
birthday party in our parks.

1745
02:43:34,980 --> 02:43:41,980
Because they have to pay like more for maintenance than they did for the actual rental.

1746
02:43:41,980 --> 02:43:53,980
So it's a former Henderson pavilion or the Peter's Park pavilion is much different maintenance than the Tucker towngrain, right?

1747
02:43:53,980 --> 02:43:54,980
Yeah.

1748
02:43:54,980 --> 02:43:57,980
And I think they're probably, you have to be a policy that follows us.

1749
02:43:57,980 --> 02:44:04,980
That says when it would be used at which parks and how much, like, what pavilions need it and which ones do not need it.

1750
02:44:04,980 --> 02:44:11,980
Sarah and I had that conversation after this was all sent out of, is it apples and apples?

1751
02:44:11,980 --> 02:44:16,980
Because you look at Tucker towngrain and how elaborate it is and then you're talking about a pavilion.

1752
02:44:16,980 --> 02:44:18,980
Should that cost be the same?

1753
02:44:18,980 --> 02:44:25,980
But we're also trying to make a uniform because it's still going to be that same person going out there doing that maintenance.

1754
02:44:25,980 --> 02:44:32,980
So it's kind of, we could adjust the rate or we could just leave it on Tucker towngrain and we can always come back.

1755
02:44:32,980 --> 02:44:36,980
If we see a need for it and other parks as well, that's up to you all.

1756
02:44:36,980 --> 02:44:40,980
Do we see a need at the other parks for the maintenance person?

1757
02:44:40,980 --> 02:44:48,980
I would say, honestly, that person has to make sure before those people show up for their event that it's looking good.

1758
02:44:48,980 --> 02:44:51,980
And then that it's cleaned up afterwards.

1759
02:44:51,980 --> 02:44:54,980
It has to be a pre-posed.

1760
02:44:54,980 --> 02:44:58,980
So let's say, do we think I'm going to break it down further?

1761
02:44:58,980 --> 02:44:59,980
Thirty-five.

1762
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:25,000
$5 an hour is good for the Tucker town green for maintenance. Just Tucker town green. Okay, so everybody's pretty good with that. All right. Now, at our others, what is a reasonable maintenance fee at our other parks?

1763
02:45:25,000 --> 02:45:52,000
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. You did some research too. Yeah. I, I was thinking that the maintenance would be only at the Tucker town green. However, if we're doing a $25 shelter rental at go for a hinder center, one of the others, you know, maybe putting in a $10 fee, something minimal, but still helping support our maintenance costs.

1764
02:45:52,000 --> 02:46:04,000
And also giving the impression that hey, you've got to leave what you found be somewhat responsible for our civility.

1765
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:08,000
So to speak. Yes, this one might have come. Yeah. Okay.

1766
02:46:09,000 --> 02:46:37,000
I mean, I like the idea of, and also, maybe it's not, again, for the non substantive parks. Maybe it's not an hourly fee. It's a, you know, it's just a fee add on, right? Like there's a maintenance fee, just like you have to put your deposit down for, again, just going off of my groceries experience. You put down 125, but you get the 100 back at the end, which is, you know, had been purportedly in case you didn't clean up like you are.

1767
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:43,000
I will also say this is more like counsel, but and credit. Welcome in.

1768
02:46:43,000 --> 02:46:56,000
But I also think that there's some conversations about what the status of the maintenance is when you are renting, because there have been plenty of times where the trash cans weren't emptied ahead of an event or something.

1769
02:46:56,000 --> 02:47:06,000
And it's not fair to charge like the community for something that we are already charging them for through, you know, taxes by that paying through that contract.

1770
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:16,000
I think at least a nominal, a nominal maintenance fee goes, maybe towards that, but then it doesn't, again, prevent utilization of those parks.

1771
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:19,000
It holds us accountable to.

1772
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:25,000
Okay. So 35 for Tucker Town Green, nominal fee at the others. Go ahead.

1773
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:42,000
So yeah, I was like, and I don't know that I have too much different from counsel, more shredder or weaver. However, I will say that I too thought we were really talking about the Tucker Town Green and I see our Tucker Town Green is our premier park.

1774
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:48,000
It is our premier park where our higher end events are going to want to go.

1775
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:55,000
I look at Henderson, Peter's Park, Rosenfeld, the pervillions to be family oriented.

1776
02:47:55,000 --> 02:48:01,000
And like we talked about birthday parties, you know, family reunions and things like that.

1777
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:07,000
So they're going to, in my opinion, they're going to be a little bit more on a budget, and it's going to be scaled down.

1778
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:17,000
And so I think that all the conversations about, you know, making sure that there is a maintenance fee in order to assist us with costs and all that.

1779
02:48:17,000 --> 02:48:30,000
But I would prefer us to be a little more thoughtful about what those other uses are that family oriented vibe and maybe scale it.

1780
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:40,000
And I think that was probably said earlier, too, but that's really where I am. It's just, you know, for working families and stuff like that having their two-year-old birthday party and stuff like that.

1781
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:44,000
I think we want to be, you know, thoughtful about those kind of gatherings.

1782
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,000
Okay, you all got that.

1783
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,000
All right.

1784
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:49,000
Deposit 500.

1785
02:48:49,000 --> 02:48:51,000
They get that back.

1786
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:52,000
They would.

1787
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:55,000
Okay.

1788
02:48:55,000 --> 02:49:03,000
And then let's go to $300 an hour at six or 12 hours. That's for.

1789
02:49:03,000 --> 02:49:06,000
Talker town green.

1790
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:10,000
It makes it a substantial event.

1791
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:12,000
What do you guys think about that?

1792
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:15,000
Oh, there.

1793
02:49:15,000 --> 02:49:21,000
I think it's in line. In fact, it's still a little lower than some others around us, but I think it's in line.

1794
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:22,000
Test it out.

1795
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:25,000
Okay.

1796
02:49:25,000 --> 02:49:30,000
And then City of Tucker 501, C3s.

1797
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:35,000
Giving them a little bit of a break.

1798
02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:38,000
Okay.

1799
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:51,000
Can I ask a, maybe a dumb question on my part, but the deposit for 500 again is that for the town green or is that for all of the.

1800
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:53,000
That's just a town green, right?

1801
02:49:53,000 --> 02:49:54,000
Just okay.

1802
02:49:54,000 --> 02:49:55,000
It doesn't make sure.

1803
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:57,000
Just town green.

1804
02:49:57,000 --> 02:49:58,000
All right.

1805
02:49:58,000 --> 02:49:59,000
I raise give it up.

1806
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:00,000
All right.

1807
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:05,000
So you guys will come back with just a little nom, not a different maintenance for the other.

1808
02:50:05,000 --> 02:50:06,000
Yeah.

1809
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,000
We'll work through it this week.

1810
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:11,000
And unless you guys have a price that you want us to use, we can come back with a suggestion.

1811
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:18,000
And it's just a simple edit that one fee when it comes time to approve the budget.

1812
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:27,000
I just I have a question about the last part around following any permitting requirements that for the city of Tucker.

1813
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:30,000
Given that on the example venues.

1814
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:33,000
The Valdosta one lists the police piece.

1815
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:36,000
So.

1816
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:39,000
So my question is about security requirements.

1817
02:50:39,000 --> 02:50:42,000
And especially for Tucker town green.

1818
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:47,000
Is that what does that follow in our other permitting requirements?

1819
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:54,000
We were looking more like alcohol permitting if alcohol is going to be served.

1820
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:58,000
They have to make sure they have the right permits to be able to do that at the town green.

1821
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:00,000
I don't know about security.

1822
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:01,000
If we would require it.

1823
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:02,000
I'm not.

1824
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:03,000
I don't even.

1825
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:04,000
No.

1826
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:05,000
No.

1827
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:10,000
Decision that would be.

1828
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:11,000
Yeah.

1829
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:16,000
We did discuss having some type of police presence at events at the Tucker town green.

1830
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:19,000
Just to ensure safe and orderly.

1831
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:23,000
Not only for the patrons, but also for the property itself.

1832
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:26,000
Where is that fit?

1833
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:27,000
Yeah.

1834
02:51:27,000 --> 02:51:29,000
Because that's for our events.

1835
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:31,000
But what about it?

1836
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:33,000
Another third party doing an event.

1837
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:34,000
Taste of Tucker.

1838
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:37,000
We also talked about it for our events and third party.

1839
02:51:37,000 --> 02:51:39,000
But I'm not sure if it made it into the fee schedule.

1840
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:42,000
But it wasn't thing we discussed is needing to be.

1841
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:43,000
So we're in.

1842
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:45,000
They do mainstream events right now.

1843
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:48,000
They get a permit from to cab PD.

1844
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:52,000
And they work out the deal to pay them for officers.

1845
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:55,000
So the car show does it.

1846
02:51:55,000 --> 02:51:57,000
You know, taste of Tucker.

1847
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:58,000
Everybody else.

1848
02:51:58,000 --> 02:52:01,000
They do that currently now.

1849
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:06,000
It's separate from the fee schedule.

1850
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:12,000
Is that they would be required to pay to cab PD for off duty officers as part of the rental

1851
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:14,000
agreement.

1852
02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:15,000
So yes.

1853
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:16,000
So that's what I was asking.

1854
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:21,000
Because I just want to make sure it is in those permitting requirements that we are

1855
02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:26,000
saying that to and matching whatever there's it's.

1856
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:27,000
Yeah.

1857
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:29,000
I believe parks is working on a.

1858
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:32,000
Information packet for that permitting process.

1859
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:36,000
And it'll be included in there.

1860
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:38,000
But not part of the fee schedule.

1861
02:52:38,000 --> 02:52:39,000
But part of.

1862
02:52:39,000 --> 02:52:40,000
Okay.

1863
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:42,000
Excellent.

1864
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:43,000
All right.

1865
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:44,000
Are you good with fees.

1866
02:52:44,000 --> 02:52:46,000
We gave you guidance.

1867
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:47,000
Yes.

1868
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:48,000
Okay.

1869
02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:49,000
One more.

1870
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:50,000
All right.

1871
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:53,000
Can I ask if these federal question, but not about this or.

1872
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:55,000
Do I have to save it for it?

1873
02:52:55,000 --> 02:52:56,000
Okay.

1874
02:52:56,000 --> 02:52:57,000
Okay.

1875
02:52:57,000 --> 02:52:58,000
I.

1876
02:52:58,000 --> 02:53:02,000
I think we had talked about this at the last meeting.

1877
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:04,000
There was a lot going on.

1878
02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:08,000
But I wanted to see if I could get clarification on.

1879
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:18,000
Do we have to change the code around trees before we can change the fee schedule around.

1880
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:24,000
Cutting down trees because I was noting that it ranges from like 250 to 450 and.

1881
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:30,000
I was surprised to see a bunch of trees get cut down recently that I wasn't expecting to see get cut down.

1882
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:32,000
And so can we.

1883
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:37,000
Are we able to amend the fee schedule and increase that if we wanted to without changing the code.

1884
02:53:37,000 --> 02:53:53,000
Because I know we also said we had to talk about code when it related to like percentages and things like that.

1885
02:53:53,000 --> 02:54:02,000
I'd have to do some research on the language in the fee schedule versus the language in the tree ordinance.

1886
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:08,000
In the fee schedule may be related to violations.

1887
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:12,000
Or tree bank donations.

1888
02:54:12,000 --> 02:54:15,000
Which would be different than the ordinance.

1889
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:23,000
Yeah, it's I mean, the fee schedule is the violation of you cut down a tree of the size you pay.

1890
02:54:23,000 --> 02:54:29,000
So I think like six inches in above or something is like $450.

1891
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:32,000
Could you pay to or what is in the fee schedule?

1892
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:35,000
Yeah.

1893
02:54:35,000 --> 02:54:39,000
It's somewhere up there.

1894
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:41,000
Thanks for all that.

1895
02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:43,000
I think it's at the bottom.

1896
02:54:43,000 --> 02:54:45,000
I'm going to come to the last.

1897
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:09,000
Okay.

1898
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:16,000
So I guess I assumed that that was if you would rather contribute to the tree bank rather than.

1899
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:18,000
Keeping the tree.

1900
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:25,000
So we always encourage people to keep as many trees as they can or to replant to the required density.

1901
02:55:25,000 --> 02:55:32,000
We require a certain number of tree density units per acre depending on if it's residential or commercial.

1902
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:35,000
If they cannot fit all the trees on a site.

1903
02:55:35,000 --> 02:55:42,000
And we obviously want to make sure they're planting them appropriately, not just shoving them in there and then not surviving because of overcrowding.

1904
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:48,000
You can contribute to the tree bank to hit that max density that's required.

1905
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:54,000
And so that is the price per each tree caliber that calculates how much is contributed to the tree bank.

1906
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:58,000
That then the city can use to plant trees on city property or city right away.

1907
02:55:58,000 --> 02:56:04,000
So this has nothing to do with tearing down a tree illegally, taking down a specimen tree.

1908
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:08,000
This is just the contribution to pay into the tree bank.

1909
02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:16,000
But but they're doing that instead of having because that allows them to cut down a tree or not replant a tree.

1910
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:19,000
But that is a code change on a fee schedule change.

1911
02:56:19,000 --> 02:56:24,000
So that's what I'm asking. So we cannot change this without changing the code.

1912
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:25,000
Correct.

1913
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:36,000
Okay. So have to come first and then we would want to look at adding if this is the attorney's support that, you know, finds or I just are amounts.

1914
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:40,000
We're voting on the fee schedule and we're making changes to it.

1915
02:56:40,000 --> 02:56:48,000
But what we're saying is we're voting on something, there's something in this fee schedule that we're not actually in control of voting on the same way that we are.

1916
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:50,000
Some of the other fees that we're talking about.

1917
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:52,000
Yeah, I believe this was in here last year.

1918
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:54,000
Yeah, it's not new.

1919
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:57,000
But I would like to tackle it.

1920
02:56:57,000 --> 02:57:05,000
So I was trying to understand if there are any options for us when we are passing the fee schedule or it sounds like there aren't.

1921
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:07,000
Get it ready for next year.

1922
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:10,000
Or get the code ready because the code.

1923
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:13,000
Yes, get the code ready for next year. We'll get it done.

1924
02:57:13,000 --> 02:57:14,000
Thank you.

1925
02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:17,000
All right.

1926
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:18,000
Next.

1927
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:19,000
Next.

1928
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:21,000
Presentations.

1929
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:32,000
All right, so now we.

1930
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:41,000
Now, if the code is updated in the middle of the year, we can update the schedule.

1931
02:57:41,000 --> 02:57:44,000
The same the same meeting if we need to.

1932
02:57:44,000 --> 02:57:46,000
That would be a simple change.

1933
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:51,000
So next item was our monthly financials for April.

1934
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:53,000
Honestly, we're we're on the same path.

1935
02:57:53,000 --> 02:57:55,000
We've been on for the last couple of months.

1936
02:57:55,000 --> 02:58:00,000
A lot of the information is the same just updated numbers.

1937
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:06,000
The executive summary pretty much all the same information you've seen the last couple of months.

1938
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:10,000
I did want to give an update on at least the general fund.

1939
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:16,000
As of the end of April, we are 83% of the way through the fiscal year.

1940
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:18,000
Revenues are 83% too.

1941
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:24,000
However, typically at the end of April, we're about 91% because probably taxes are all collected.

1942
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:30,000
We have less collectible revenues at the last couple of months of the year.

1943
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:32,000
And on the flip side of that too.

1944
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:36,000
The general fund expenditures are at 76% of the budget number.

1945
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:41,000
So I have been kind of picking with all of our departments and they can all complain about me all they want.

1946
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:42,000
We're not spending money.

1947
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:45,000
If we don't spend money right now, just because the revenues were not trending great.

1948
02:58:45,000 --> 02:58:50,000
We're still not back on the same track as we've been in the past.

1949
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:53,000
So we are still being responsible with spending the money is.

1950
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:59,000
Compared to what we're actually collecting.

1951
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:01,000
The capital is same story.

1952
02:59:01,000 --> 02:59:02,000
Splost.

1953
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:05,000
We are currently 76.

1954
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:09,000
No, that's that's the general fund to have a number here.

1955
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:15,000
We're about 5% sure of revenues on splost today.

1956
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:24,000
So as of April and April, we collect marches or 75% way through of collecting fiscal years revenue.

1957
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:29,000
And we're between 71 and 72% of what the revenues are budgeted.

1958
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:32,000
So we're kind of there kind of short.

1959
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:39,000
But we're still trending a little bit better than we are on the general fund side.

1960
02:59:39,000 --> 02:59:41,000
And then I will update.

1961
02:59:41,000 --> 02:59:43,000
I had no in our memo as well.

1962
02:59:43,000 --> 02:59:47,000
The hotel hotel revenues about 13% below where we've been.

1963
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:50,000
What we have budgeted for for this year as well.

1964
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:53,000
That's not on here but that was one that was a little bit significantly lower.

1965
02:59:53,000 --> 03:00:00,000
Which we've been hearing about even like the soccer events or not as popular as we thought they would be would.

1966
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,000
Which would drive some hotel, booking in is not happening, so we just want to make sure we're prepared for not receiving some of that income.

1967
03:00:07,000 --> 03:00:17,000
All of this is on the city's website, on the finance page. You can all see it at any time you want and soak in the public.

1968
03:00:17,000 --> 03:00:21,000
We have any questions about the finances.

1969
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:26,000
Are we making progress on the fees or the OTCs?

1970
03:00:27,000 --> 03:00:32,000
Yes, we're actually pretty high up there. We're in the high 90s at this point.

1971
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:35,000
Okay. Sorry, I shouldn't say high 90s probably mid 90s I think.

1972
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:39,000
It was 94 to 96 percent of what we were budgeted.

1973
03:00:39,000 --> 03:00:41,000
So yes, we've made great progress.

1974
03:00:41,000 --> 03:00:44,000
Excellent. Thank you on that.

1975
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:49,000
Thank you. I'm curious, this is just kind of a point of clarification.

1976
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:55,000
I know that I'm the one who continues to say last year's CIP, even though we didn't approve it.

1977
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:59,000
But the expenditures is under 300 capital.

1978
03:00:59,000 --> 03:01:07,000
So everything for this year that was budgeted and is being spent is for this under 300, correct?

1979
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:10,000
For capital, depending on the project.

1980
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:13,000
So a lot of our projects are in 321, which is lost.

1981
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:16,000
Okay. Right. Well, it's or 321.

1982
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:23,000
So when you look at the numbers, we're showing some, you know, some things not being encumbered.

1983
03:01:23,000 --> 03:01:27,000
So I'm tracking this from the standpoint of.

1984
03:01:27,000 --> 03:01:30,000
And now I'm tired. So it's about two to three million.

1985
03:01:30,000 --> 03:01:32,000
I'm not going to add that quick.

1986
03:01:32,000 --> 03:01:36,000
Difference and I'm just curious before we approve the budget.

1987
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:40,000
For next year, if we could just maybe.

1988
03:01:40,000 --> 03:01:43,000
Kind of see where we're at.

1989
03:01:43,000 --> 03:01:46,000
With that in case there's any wiggle room that.

1990
03:01:46,000 --> 03:01:48,000
Of projects that didn't.

1991
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:51,000
That weren't spent as high as budgeted.

1992
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:53,000
Or came in over.

1993
03:01:53,000 --> 03:01:57,000
Have you sailed that as we continue to work on the CIP?

1994
03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:00,000
You've account it for that money, though, in the budget.

1995
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:01,000
Yeah. I mean, in the budget.

1996
03:02:01,000 --> 03:02:03,000
Because it all rolls forward.

1997
03:02:03,000 --> 03:02:06,000
Okay. And now you're speaking of like projects that have finished.

1998
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:10,000
And if they've come under budget, we put them back into fund balance so that we can.

1999
03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:13,000
We had those available for this upcoming.

2000
03:02:13,000 --> 03:02:16,000
This budget that we've been, we've kind of accounted for some of those.

2001
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:17,000
Okay.

2002
03:02:17,000 --> 03:02:19,000
Some of them are still in progress and maybe at the tail end.

2003
03:02:19,000 --> 03:02:22,000
So we don't have the final number of some of those projects.

2004
03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:23,000
But it just kind of depends on which.

2005
03:02:23,000 --> 03:02:24,000
You give a specific project.

2006
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,000
We can look into it and back to you.

2007
03:02:26,000 --> 03:02:29,000
Okay. I'll ask some questions.

2008
03:02:29,000 --> 03:02:31,000
And after in the coming weeks.

2009
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:34,000
Yeah, you've got to, they've got to account for all of that money.

2010
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:36,000
No matter where it is.

2011
03:02:36,000 --> 03:02:37,000
Yeah.

2012
03:02:37,000 --> 03:02:40,000
I sort of have a follow up, though.

2013
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:45,000
So because.

2014
03:02:45,000 --> 03:02:48,000
Yes, but if we're our revenues aren't coming in, but we are giving it up.

2015
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:52,000
We are spending things as if the revenues are going to come in and they don't come in.

2016
03:02:52,000 --> 03:02:54,000
We have to pay those bills.

2017
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:56,000
So we have to pull from future.

2018
03:02:56,000 --> 03:03:01,000
Future revenue that we may may may or may not have depending on how the trends are going.

2019
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:04,000
So like, I think it's a very relevant question.

2020
03:03:04,000 --> 03:03:07,000
They can show to us asking if we're saying.

2021
03:03:07,000 --> 03:03:12,000
Our expenditures and our spending is ahead of where our revenues are.

2022
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:17,000
And it's specifically when it asks about splost as it related that.

2023
03:03:17,000 --> 03:03:20,000
So when we talk about.

2024
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:23,000
5% short of where we are.

2025
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:32,000
That would be over the entire six year splost account or just this year's budget for what we thought.

2026
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:34,000
That would be this fiscal year.

2027
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:35,000
Okay.

2028
03:03:35,000 --> 03:03:37,000
So.

2029
03:03:37,000 --> 03:03:39,000
Also, math not math thing.

2030
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:41,000
How many years do we have left on this last?

2031
03:03:41,000 --> 03:03:47,000
This was approved in 23 started in April of 24.

2032
03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:48,000
I believe.

2033
03:03:48,000 --> 03:03:50,000
So we're in year two.

2034
03:03:50,000 --> 03:03:52,000
So we have it was a six year.

2035
03:03:52,000 --> 03:03:54,000
So we have four years left.

2036
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:55,000
Okay.

2037
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:58,000
So don't have to fully answer this all tonight.

2038
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:01,000
Although I believe you have it in your head.

2039
03:04:01,000 --> 03:04:07,000
But I guess that's part of what I'm getting on is like funds for capital that are in splost.

2040
03:04:07,000 --> 03:04:12,000
If we are beginning to see a trend that splost revenues are going to be down.

2041
03:04:12,000 --> 03:04:18,000
And we're trying to think through what the next four to five years are going to be.

2042
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:23,000
I just want to understand like when our approach is in terms of because I know I brought this up the last.

2043
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:30,000
Meaning is that we have a lot of capital expenditures in next year's fiscal year.

2044
03:04:30,000 --> 03:04:35,000
Like more than any of the years following and I'm concerned about us.

2045
03:04:35,000 --> 03:04:38,000
I'm concerned about the trends we're seeing.

2046
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:44,000
Taxes being down and expenditure being up because people are still losing their jobs.

2047
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:47,000
Cost of living is still going up gas prices are still going up.

2048
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:54,000
So I just can you kind of just talk about the spost piece of it in terms of what we're doing this year versus future years.

2049
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:56,000
From a revenue site.

2050
03:04:56,000 --> 03:04:57,000
Yeah.

2051
03:04:57,000 --> 03:05:02,000
And we have been conservative on our our revenue especially in the out years.

2052
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:05,000
I don't account for a lot of growth out in the out years.

2053
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:07,000
I think we had a 1% growth which.

2054
03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:10,000
And when we go into 28 budget.

2055
03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:14,000
Years pass it was like a three to four because that was the trend in years past.

2056
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:17,000
So we bumped it down to 1% we continue to see it.

2057
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:21,000
Maybe not be as even as the last few years.

2058
03:05:21,000 --> 03:05:24,000
So.

2059
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:27,000
Every year we're looking at all of the out years again.

2060
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:33,000
So yes we are going to edit what our revenues are out in the out years once we've finished this year.

2061
03:05:33,000 --> 03:05:35,000
And we will make those edits so.

2062
03:05:35,000 --> 03:05:40,000
What we not have as much money funds for projects in in splost in in those like out years.

2063
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:46,000
Possibly depending I do know that last year we came in over budget of what we had budgeted so.

2064
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:50,000
We didn't allocate those funds to a project because we didn't know about it until the end of the year.

2065
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:56,000
So they went into fund balance so as this moment we are okay on those those projects.

2066
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:58,000
For 27.

2067
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:06,000
As long as we keep staying at the 5% sure if we jumped down more which they've been pretty consistent last few years.

2068
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:08,000
We should be okay.

2069
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:12,000
But we're always analyzing if you ever get to a point where we say, oh we don't have funds.

2070
03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:15,000
We will be coming back with a budget amendment to less than a budget.

2071
03:06:15,000 --> 03:06:18,000
That's where we kind of wanted to have those priority.

2072
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:23,000
Projects so we know like which ones maybe we want to less in this year push off in the area.

2073
03:06:23,000 --> 03:06:26,000
And we'll affect the whole CIP that we approve each year as well.

2074
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:28,000
Okay I appreciate that.

2075
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:32,000
I have thoughts about that for the next next next meeting.

2076
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:40,000
And then you also mentioned property taxes being down or that that's where our revenue is.

2077
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:45,000
So I didn't think they have has it come in yet have the the roles come in yet.

2078
03:06:45,000 --> 03:06:48,000
When you were checking about the revenue is being down.

2079
03:06:48,000 --> 03:06:50,000
You didn't say property taxes.

2080
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:53,000
I didn't say property taxes.

2081
03:06:53,000 --> 03:06:55,000
So we don't want to know about that yet.

2082
03:06:55,000 --> 03:06:58,000
We're still training pretty good in that.

2083
03:06:58,000 --> 03:06:59,000
Okay.

2084
03:06:59,000 --> 03:07:04,000
It could change where you know we're still we still have some room but there's always collections throughout through the end of the year.

2085
03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:07,000
Before it picks back up again when the tax goes go out.

2086
03:07:07,000 --> 03:07:12,000
So there's it's not 100% just yet but we still have another.

2087
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:15,000
What six weeks because they haven't paid us this for this week.

2088
03:07:15,000 --> 03:07:17,000
So we click payment that comes out.

2089
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:18,000
So.

2090
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:20,000
All right.

2091
03:07:20,000 --> 03:07:21,000
All right.

2092
03:07:21,000 --> 03:07:22,000
Thank you.

2093
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:23,000
Thanks for your work.

2094
03:07:23,000 --> 03:07:24,000
I appreciate you.

2095
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:26,000
All right, John.

2096
03:07:27,000 --> 03:07:28,000
Yep, man.

2097
03:07:28,000 --> 03:07:29,000
I'm going to just.

2098
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:30,000
Quickly.

2099
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:31,000
Some.

2100
03:07:31,000 --> 03:07:32,000
I mean, I didn't.

2101
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:34,000
I don't think that was budget coming up.

2102
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:35,000
Next meeting.

2103
03:07:35,000 --> 03:07:37,000
For adoption.

2104
03:07:37,000 --> 03:07:39,000
And I'm going to have a number.

2105
03:07:39,000 --> 03:07:40,000
All right.

2106
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:43,000
Special ladies permits on the horizon.

2107
03:07:43,000 --> 03:07:45,000
We've also got.

2108
03:07:45,000 --> 03:07:47,000
We've got.

2109
03:07:47,000 --> 03:07:48,000
Budget.

2110
03:07:48,000 --> 03:07:49,000
Well.

2111
03:07:49,000 --> 03:07:50,000
I'm literally.

2112
03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:52,000
If you're looking at.

2113
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:53,000
Number.

2114
03:07:54,000 --> 03:07:57,000
So one minutes to a fourth.

2115
03:07:57,000 --> 03:07:58,000
Speak light initiative.

2116
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,000
We speak like this.

2117
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:01,000
The relationship will be missed us saying.

2118
03:08:01,000 --> 03:08:02,000
Number.

2119
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:05,000
Meant next contacts.

2120
03:08:05,000 --> 03:08:07,000
School.

2121
03:08:07,000 --> 03:08:09,000
Water.

2122
03:08:09,000 --> 03:08:10,000
I'm.

2123
03:08:10,000 --> 03:08:12,000
I'm.

2124
03:08:12,000 --> 03:08:13,000
I'm.

2125
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:14,000
I'm.

2126
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:15,000
I'm.

2127
03:08:15,000 --> 03:08:16,000
I'm.

2128
03:08:16,000 --> 03:08:17,000
I'm.

2129
03:08:17,000 --> 03:08:18,000
I'm.

2130
03:08:18,000 --> 03:08:19,000
I'm.

2131
03:08:19,000 --> 03:08:20,000
I'm.

2132
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:21,000
I'm.

2133
03:08:21,000 --> 03:08:29,000
and then as we come around on the street skip standards as well as what comes out of

2134
03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:35,000
publicly as you can see and move forward with that as a part of Master Plan and in

2135
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:37,000
that relationship.

2136
03:08:37,000 --> 03:08:40,000
All right, questions for John.

2137
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:42,000
All right.

2138
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:49,000
Mary and Council comments before we go into executive session.

2139
03:08:49,000 --> 03:08:53,000
Well, real quick, two things.

2140
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:57,000
I brought some flowers from the community garden.

2141
03:08:57,000 --> 03:09:03,000
They are dailyers that are blooming and there are so many, so I decided I should share.

2142
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:04,000
They're beautiful.

2143
03:09:04,000 --> 03:09:09,000
I like there are a few here, whoever would like to take them home and I will be

2144
03:09:09,000 --> 03:09:11,000
beginning to bring more and more.

2145
03:09:11,000 --> 03:09:13,000
So I have for them.

2146
03:09:13,000 --> 03:09:18,000
And then the second thing is I went out and purchased this wonderful book about the

2147
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:22,000
Beltline by Mark Pendergrass.

2148
03:09:22,000 --> 03:09:26,000
It's a little dated, but I wanted to share it with Council and let us kind of

2149
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:27,000
flip through it.

2150
03:09:27,000 --> 03:09:30,000
I don't want to expect everybody to read it word for word, but there are some

2151
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:34,000
good stories in here about building Beltline and the trail system.

2152
03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:38,000
And it is now also for the city.

2153
03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:44,000
So I wanted to stay in this city manager's office, but I thought we'd kind of pass

2154
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:50,000
around this year and figure out what we need to collaborate on or some really good

2155
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:51,000
stories.

2156
03:09:51,000 --> 03:09:57,000
And our very own and remorse for her is mentioned in one of the chapters.

2157
03:09:57,000 --> 03:09:58,000
Thank you.

2158
03:09:58,000 --> 03:10:07,000
I started my references earlier, but several of us got to,

2159
03:10:07,000 --> 03:10:08,000
we're invited.

2160
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:13,000
We've actually been getting to do a lot with our Tucker Middle School students over

2161
03:10:13,000 --> 03:10:19,000
the past couple of weeks because they're just brilliant.

2162
03:10:19,000 --> 03:10:23,000
But anyway, we got to see a presentation.

2163
03:10:23,000 --> 03:10:27,000
Two presentations on Friday.

2164
03:10:27,000 --> 03:10:33,000
And the depth of knowledge of these 13 and 14 year olds is just really impressive.

2165
03:10:33,000 --> 03:10:36,000
And it gives me a lot of hope for the future.

2166
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:41,000
And I'm very appreciative of so many of their teachers are also Tucker residents.

2167
03:10:41,000 --> 03:10:48,000
And they are really investing in both the students themselves, but also in the city.

2168
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:53,000
And encouraging that sort of like active civic participation.

2169
03:10:53,000 --> 03:10:54,000
And using science for good.

2170
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:58,000
And I know that sometimes there's a tendency to be like,

2171
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:01,000
oh, it's just a kids project and that's nice.

2172
03:11:01,000 --> 03:11:02,000
And, you know, it's a box.

2173
03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:06,000
But I think they give us some really actionable ideas.

2174
03:11:06,000 --> 03:11:07,000
And on Friday.

2175
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:12,000
And so I'm just really one grateful for everybody who was able to come.

2176
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:23,000
And I tell you, again, obviously I haven't eighth grader who is graduating tomorrow from eighth grade.

2177
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:27,000
But the amount of time and effort they put into.

2178
03:11:27,000 --> 03:11:31,000
Not just the project itself was something separate that they were doing on their own.

2179
03:11:31,000 --> 03:11:34,000
But when they found out they had the opportunity to present to us.

2180
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:40,000
They just went really deep on like building their presentations and doing research.

2181
03:11:40,000 --> 03:11:45,000
And, you know, I just.

2182
03:11:45,000 --> 03:11:48,000
And I'm just very hopeful for the future.

2183
03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:55,000
After seeing that, but I also hope that we all will continue to think about ways that the city can not just come.

2184
03:11:55,000 --> 03:11:57,000
You know, kind of the table at the end of the project.

2185
03:11:57,000 --> 03:12:03,000
But think about what are some of the ways that we can see and keep partnering with them throughout, you know.

2186
03:12:03,000 --> 03:12:08,000
Throughout the year.

2187
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:09,000
I know it's late.

2188
03:12:09,000 --> 03:12:10,000
But just super briefly.

2189
03:12:10,000 --> 03:12:11,000
Oh, echo what Councilwoman.

2190
03:12:11,000 --> 03:12:14,000
We've already said about this hooker middle school STEM program.

2191
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:16,000
It was absolutely remarkable.

2192
03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:18,000
Great kids.

2193
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:19,000
Great content.

2194
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:24,000
I really couldn't have imagined anything better out of them.

2195
03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:26,000
And then also I missed the last meeting.

2196
03:12:26,000 --> 03:12:31,000
I wanted to congratulate the Tucker Art Alliance for achieving nonprofit status.

2197
03:12:31,000 --> 03:12:37,000
So that's going to give them a lot of flexibility on what they can do in terms of money and.

2198
03:12:37,000 --> 03:12:38,000
Outreach.

2199
03:12:38,000 --> 03:12:45,000
And so we definitely have a I think we're on the cusp of a great arts kind of Renaissance and Tucker.

2200
03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:52,000
So very much looking forward to that.

2201
03:12:53,000 --> 03:13:00,000
Can I get a motion for executive session motion to adjourn for executive session for the purposes of personnel real estate and litigation.

2202
03:13:00,000 --> 03:13:01,000
Second.

2203
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:06,000
All right. All right. All right.

2204
03:13:22,000 --> 03:13:24,000
All right.

2205
03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:26,000
I moved to.

2206
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:30,000
Bring us out of executive session.

2207
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:31,000
All second.

2208
03:14:31,000 --> 03:14:33,000
All those in favor.

2209
03:14:33,000 --> 03:14:34,000
All right.

2210
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:36,000
Can I get a motion to adjourn.

2211
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:37,000
Motion to adjourn.

2212
03:14:37,000 --> 03:14:38,000
All right.

2213
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:40,000
Everybody seconds.

2214
03:14:40,000 --> 03:14:41,000
All those in favor.

2215
03:14:41,000 --> 03:14:42,000
All right.

2216
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:43,000
Thank you.

2217
03:14:43,000 --> 03:14:44,000
Have a good night.

2218
03:14:52,000 --> 03:14:54,000
Thank you.