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Good morning, good morning. All right, it's 9 o'clock. We'll go ahead and bring this meeting to order. Today is January 27th. This is currently 9 a.m. I appreciate everyone taking the time to come today. So if I could have Mr. Route, please lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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We have some seats available for those of you who don't wish to stand.

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Next we will be our oral communications.

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Today, as you can see, we have a very full agenda, your board.

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values, your participation encourages the community members to take this time to provide comments

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that matter to county interests.

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This section is for commissar, not on the agenda.

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Each person will have a limit of three minutes per speaker.

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As I stated, this is a very busy agenda, so therefore we are going to limit this minutes

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available for 15 minutes total.

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So if there's a number of people that wish to speak, and there's a long line, I would encourage

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me to kind of moderate your how much time you wish to use, so we can get everybody through

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possible. Our 10 o'clock appointment has to be on time. We have a number of people, literally

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throughout the world that are going to be participating in this, so we want to make sure

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that we hit that on the time. More importantly, we encourage that all speakers respect those

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who are listening and those who are being spoken that are talking. At times, speakers may

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make statements that may cause a reaction. We wish to remind everyone that, although you may

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support or do not like an item that is being spoken about, no clapping or booing, and then

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Lastly, right on schedule.

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There's your friendly reminder to silence all of your cell phones, please.

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So with that, we'll start with the 15 minutes for your speaking.

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Hello, my name is Diana Borker.

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I'm President of Crystal Falls Association.

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I'm also on the Red Cross emergency response team for this area.

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So, I'm concerned about the firehouse 56 being closed.

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As you probably know, we have a large number of residents that are seniors.

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I respond to fires in people's homes that help them out in regards to the red cross.

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But also, I've seen people that are unable that are disabled and unable to escape the house

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and ultimately, there's people that are burned or hurt escaping.

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So, I encourage you to, on the half of Crystal Falls Association, which is close to

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the firehouse, 56, that you would change your regard to this money to keep this

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But I have over 100 signatures here at 970 online that want to keep this fire station open.

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It's imperative for our senior citizens in the area.

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Thank you.

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Man, did you wish to submit those?

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You either give them to Mr. Rude or myself, your choice.

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All right.

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Good morning.

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My name is John Flynn.

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Your political watchdog.

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Take a bright ad at crime.

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I'm going to make the opening statement from Wade Warren, North Carolina, and it's on Facebook.

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And it's America has been run by corporations for the past 160 years at underaventry and maritime law, US citizens under the 14th Amendment, or slaves.

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Now, land and soil of American state national, peace and freedom on check it out on Google.

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And there's a difference between the two.

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Now, my recommendation for Christmas myth is to have you pull a California at Will, fire him,

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because he masqueraded as a deputy attorney general

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at on February 20, 20, at 20, 25.

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This was over Nate Smith versus the people

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making a case number CRF 75349.

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Pro-per, and he-

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His last name is spelled P-I-C-I-U-C-C-O. Nade is, and he stated in his report, Nade is not competent to stand trial, pursuant to P-C-1368.

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And I showed up about 230 p.m. on December or on February 20th, for Department 5 at the

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last 23 minutes. I saw an eighth and Smith speaking where the Deputy Attorney General

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should have, but this case should have been taken outside the county.

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And Cassandra Jenkins

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what a known ed, and this in your administrative law clerk, Kevin Sebert, what have known

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that. And so Chris Rismitt is masquerade. This is all wrong.

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You were trying to keep the

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trying to keep it locally under Davis versus Walter 263, U.S. Page 22, Page 24, 1923,

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Stromberg versus California, 2A3, U.S. 3, 5, 1, or 3, 5, 9, 1931. You're doing it locally.

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It's got to go outside the county. For fairness and due process of law, I don't, I'm

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We should never have come to this point where we're talking about taking the station offline

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and moth mulling it.

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One time money was spent.

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You don't spend one time money to create ongoing financial obligations without having a plan

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to fund them.

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At least supervisor Kirk, when he voted to approve that use, it admitted the fact that if

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you didn't get the sales tax money passed, hard decisions were going to have to be made.

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Board of Supervisors has a long and time-honored tradition of kicking the can down the road.

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you've had three years to come up with a plan. The plan was, well, the safer grants

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run it out. We need this sales tax. You were told how the sales tax could be

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structured in order to get our support. We weren't going to like it. But if the

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guardrails were in place, we'd go for it. Instead, we didn't get that. The board

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went ahead with, oh, we're going to do this.

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The money's going to flow into the general fund.

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We saw what was going on with Tracy Griggs.

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We saw the board sitting at the time

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was a rubbish stamp for everything she was doing.

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The board approved it.

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Every position she handed out as a prize, all of that.

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The board had to final say, the board approved it.

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You too, Mr. Campbell.

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Now, when it's found out the roads that dead in, the cans up against the bank, our decisions

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have to be made.

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What we get from our supervisor is, well, we'll use one-time money, we'll use contingencies.

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We'll dip into the rainy day fund, that's not what that money is for.

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That money is for stuff like Chinese camp.

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Paul and me road where it's slid and had to be redone.

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That's what that money is for.

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You have failed a supervisor, Kim.

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I'm Kim.

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Thank you, sir.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, Mark Brooks, running for district 2 supervisor.

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Just like the point out, supervisor Holland, great job on the interview this weekend.

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I was really excellent to hear about how you and Supervisor and I are dealing with the budget.

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I have some hope for its county for once.

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I heard the alternative to the interview and unfortunately I heard it five other times prior to that, so wasn't too exciting.

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As you guys prepared the meeting next month for meeting with all the staff, I would suggest that you guys work on

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creating some kind of office space for grant writers that come together, so work.

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Thank you.

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Good morning. My name is Julie Fountain, and I live in Sonora. Three weeks ago, the board voted

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to close fire station 56. This vote was not announced in advance. In fact, the topic on the Board

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of Supervisors agenda was listed as appointments. 9 a.m. presentation by the Twomny County Fire

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at Hot Committee, discussion and direction to staff fiscal year 2627 fire services funding.

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There's

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to take place as to whether or not to fund one fewer station.

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Let alone the specific fire station that has been now slated for closure, fire station

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56.

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If you, as the individuals who are supposed to be representing the people of Tualmney County

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had intended to vote on this topic, this subject, which is a topic that greatly impacts your

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constituents.

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Don't you think it would have been right to put a notice that the topic was on the table?

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How can you claim to represent Tualmney County if you cannot truly say that you have heard

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the words of the people.

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Two of the supervisors here, Mike Holland, Steve Gryfford, stated that the reason that they

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voted to close was that the county should live within its budget.

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And yet nearly $800,000 was been placed into a contingency fund from our calfire stations

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providing mutual aid out of the area.

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They refused to consider using those funds.

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Another excuse was saying that the people had spoken, stating that the county had not

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had voted not to approve a taxation measure.

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I believe they're talking about 2024's measure Z.

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Yet that measure was not specifically for fire protection,

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but rather addressed also, sheriff and road maintenance.

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It seems to me that the people were not saying

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that they don't want to fund fire protection,

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but instead that they did not trust

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their Board of Supervisors to use the funds appropriately.

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This is just one example of that.

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We have almost $800,000 to spend on fire

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and three out of five of our supervisors

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refuse to use it, let alone looking at using

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any of the rest of the contingency fund.

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In 2024, District 3 supervisor and NIA Kirk spoke in favor of a fire contract stating,

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it's worth it if it saves one life. Kirk also said it comes down to economic development

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adding, if we don't burn, we keep thriving, we keep growing, and we keep living.

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And yet supervisor Kirk, you voted to close fire station 56.

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Station 56 doesn't deserve the area in which it resides. It serves your districts too.

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And so, it's try engine travels to other areas as needed. Your districts, your people,

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will be affected by its closure as well.

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You're refusal to consider other ways to save this fire station will not only cost the county,

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but how many of us are going to lose our fire insurance?

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How many of us are going to be prided?

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You're saying no.

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Are going to be priced out of the market and you will lose the value of our homes and you

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will lose your constituents.

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It's time to listen to the people.

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Here are 120 signatures on a separate petition from the one that we've already seen today.

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There's another 953 as she mentioned on thechange.org online and there are other petitions out there.

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So please go back figure out how to fund fire station 56.

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Thank you.

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Good morning board.

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I wanted to take the opportunity to introduce myself to the community.

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My name is Robbie Bergstrom.

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I and I have the privilege of serving as the Park Manager of Columbia State Historic Park for the past six months.

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In that time I had the opportunity to visit a good number of state parks in our system.

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many are gorgeous, they have a beautiful view escape, and a lot of them have rich histories,

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but I can say honestly that none of them compare to Colombia.

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The truth about Colombia is that you don't only experience,

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you don't only learn about the history while you're there, you experience it.

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You can step directly into a Gold Rush era.

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You can shop at locally run concessionaires, you can have hands-on experience with gold,

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standing, stage-coach rides, and see a blacksmith demonstration, you can enjoy a meal at several

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of the different restaurants, as well as entering to a grocery store that's modeled after

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the Gold Rush era. What's interesting also about Columbia is that it's not separate from

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the community. It's right smack dab in the middle of a local town, and many people have a stake in

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what happens to the park. Not only the business owners of the concessions that I mentioned,

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but the residents, the volunteers that help teach people about the history and help the park

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the staff that's there and also the different partner groups that are there and I'm

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fortunate to be a part of it. So I look forward to working with the county to boost

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visitor ship to

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But thank you for the opportunity to introduce myself and I look forward to working with you.

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Thank you. So, as I stated in the beginning, we have 15 minutes. We're going to, this we are last speaker for public comments. I know we have, as I stated, we have a busy agenda today.

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So, Ms. Worth.

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Chair, I'm open to extending oral communications.

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I mean, we're here to hear those sort of people.

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I don't have any issue with extending in another.

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I'll only see three or four people back there.

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So, we're like 10 or 15 minutes, maybe.

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If there's a second,

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I'm seeing those second.

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Well, if it's just these three, no, just the one two.

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Because we do have a full agenda.

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And so I'm okay with one, two, three, four people.

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Well, I mean, I'd rather stay late if we have to, in order to accommodate the agenda

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and the people that would like to address the board.

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I feel like that's what we're here for and they took time out of their day to be here.

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And I fully agree with that.

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Unfortunately, we do have a very busy agenda, our tentacle appointment has to start at

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time if the staff wants to stay late.

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I mean, it's easy.

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But we do have our rules in place for a reason.

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So if the board wishes to vote for, so I'll,

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All the second four oral communications to go 1, 2, 3, 4 more people, okay?

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Otherwise, if there's no second for that, then yeah, the agenda says 15 minutes, some time with that.

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So the motion on my motion would be to send four more people.

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I like when you motion, but we just need a majority opinion, but that's my thumbs up.

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But if four additional, four additional people, okay, I'll go for the vote.

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Okay, thank you.

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All right, ma'am, thank you. Sorry for the delay.

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Steve, that was you on September 16th.

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A week later, in response to you bullying private citizens and collaborating with a known

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racist homophobic transphobic citizen, accepted your invitation to debate.

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After weeks of you refusing to give me a date, I scheduled it for January 24th, giving you four

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months advance notice. Eventually, you agreed to participate, but stipulated that you would

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only participate as a private citizen, not as a supervisor, even though you made that invitation

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right here in Chambers. I didn't, I accepted your condition because might issue with you

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as mostly your private behavior. Less than 48 hours before this scheduled debate, for which

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I had rented a hole because you had insisted on an in-person forum rather than online,

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you backed out. Thankfully, supervisor Campbell stepped up. The top of our debate was to be American

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greatness and I intend to highlight the role of great leadership in making liberty and justice

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for all in our country a reality rather than a hollow promise. Great leadership requires

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compassion, integrity, courage, and transparency. Compassion means seeing the humanity in every

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person. Integrity means standing by your word. Courage means having difficult conversations

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rather than running from them and transparency means being honest with where you stand.

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Your actions have fallen short of every one of these values.

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You've cited with bigotry and hate and you have recently abused your position of authority

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to intimidate those who have challenged you on social media.

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A screenshot allegedly showing a post from your Facebook profile is circulating in our community,

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a post-containing vile hate speech against transgender people.

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You've disputed its authenticity, but it fails to state your actual views on the rights of transgender people in this silence is a failure of leadership.

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So I challenge you to publicly state your position on the rights of your transgender constituents.

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They're right to serve in the military to access gender from being cared to be protected from abuse of incarcerated

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and to use public restaurants that align with their gender.

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Transparency also requires you to tell the public what you're doing to discover the source of this allegedly fabricated post.

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Have you asked law enforcement to investigate or the grand jury?

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And if someone is fabricating, defamatory evidence against local officials, we need to get to

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the bottom of it.

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So step up, demonstrate the compassion, integrity, courage, and transparency that great

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leadership requires, earn the trust of the people of Tualmi County, our trans brothers and

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sisters deserve a leader who will stand for their dignity, their safety, and their humanity.

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Because greatness is not a slogan, greatness is a choice, and it is your choice.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Emily Pardy, District 2. Thank you for the opportunity.

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I'd like to begin by saying that we appreciate

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sheriff's case professionalism and the training that he gives to his deputies, and especially in the handling

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of sensitive situations. I'd like to use the next few seconds to list the names of those who have died in the

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custody in 2026. Keith Porter-Junior, Harold Luna's

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compras, Luis Gustavo Nunez Caseres, Victoria Manuel Diaz, Luis

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Beltran Ines Cruz, René Nicole Good,

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How did he laugh? He bus such as Dominguez, Alex, Jeffrey, Pretty. I'm not mad at you. Are you okay?

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Good morning, thank you. Good morning. Patricia Ray, the dump behind my house, excerpts from my phone call with Debbie Larson, your environmental health director.

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Does the developers still have a pending permit from Cal recycle?

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He doesn't have one because he doesn't need one, code allows him to operate as a recycling facility.

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Debbie said the house can't be on the new hill, has to be elsewhere.

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We had already seen an earlier, beautiful building pad of green serpentine rock down in that area,

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and addition to grading over and over elsewhere.

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The stoppiles, asphalt and concrete, are not a problem reaching into the water.

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There is no dump liner. I mentioned a lot of old stumps. He can have stumps on his property.

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No fire hazard mentioned.

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I mentioned everlasting stoppiles. He has allowed to operate under

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exemptions of code is allowed to store, but not to do crushing.

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Thus, her air pollution control cannot enforce regarding this.

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Seament thus is not good to breathe, Debbie.

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No, cement thus is not good to breathe.

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She went on a little, that the field should be growing grass by now.

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I explained it's hard to see without trespassing onto the property, but looks sparse.

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Area that is growing most grass is the giant dirt coils right by my fence.

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No hydro seeding, Debbie.

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He probably did, but he can't do it now.

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More than once, I pointed out, fascinating as to what this is, among recycling facility,

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homeowner and contractor disposal site and ministerial under which the whole parcels

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been braided over and over, shocked to have.

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Yes, there has been fascination.

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We are in our fifth year now of getting the green, waning, unhealthy, heavy industrial in residential neighborhoods.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Reed Anderson, also the neighbor of Pat Ray.

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Yesterday, Director Larsson returned to phone call

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to Pat, she informed Pat that the developer will be

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in full operation of his disposal landfill facility,

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but it's going to be called a recycling facility.

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I would think that that requires something

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like a conditional use permit, you know?

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It's a whole new project.

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Anyway, she told Pat that the state does not require

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permit to run facilities like Slateons, as is typical of Director Larson, she does not feel any obligation

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to enforce the Twollamy County Ordinance Code. Nothing, she's never enforced it. She says that

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she always goes for state law, and she thinks they should be issuing the permits, including

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site development permits and conditional use permits. Those are county jurisdiction.

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She doesn't do any research to any possible state requirements that are missing from the Slateon

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I have repeatedly told her that the state cannot issue a permit for the facility unless it has a site development permit or conditionally use permit.

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There's a longstanding violation of a copper SDP from 2022 revocation for exceeding the 10% of the parcel size grading threshold.

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you never apply

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So no compliance occurred. It doesn't take much to figure out that it's a spousal facility. It should never be right next to residential zone parcels. Nor should it be in a known, in a known creek drainage, regardless if it's seasonal or not. She agreed with the path of the demo desk, regardless of what it's made of. It's not healthy to breathe. There are calcode rags that prevent public nuisance and noise control that require at least a cup or a, or a sequo.

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Ms. Larson, either never looked or is an interested in compliance with local or state

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ordinance. This leaves the state in a situation where she's the local enforcement agent

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or agency, whichever you want to call it. She's the one who's supposed to be enforcing

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our county regulations, so the state can properly enforce the development. It is a development.

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She's not doing anything about her. The county isn't doing anything about her consistent refusal

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to enforce the law. This has been going on since 2021. We are not people. We are citizens.

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We're your constituents. Enforce the law. I emailed this to all of you. There are instructions

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on what boards should do to enforce the law. How you deal with the LEA that won't enforce the law.

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This is not my job. You guys need to do this. County Council needs to help. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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My name is Mary Mackie.

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I was raised here.

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I raised my children here.

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My husband and I are small business owners here.

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I'm here because safety matters to me.

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There are people in this community,

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especially trans people that who do not feel safe right now

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and that fear is real.

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It affects how people live where they go

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and whether they feel they belong.

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Earlier this year, even our own district attorney acknowledged that LGBTQ residents in

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Tualami County do not feel safe and said that this is unacceptable and a public safety

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issue and that should matter to all of you.

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I'm asking for leadership to understand its responsibility, the words and tone used by this

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carried weight. They can either help people feel protected or make them feel targeted.

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Words that suggest harm toward any group damages public trust that makes people question whether

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their leaders see them as worthy of safety. My request is that the board clearly commit to

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the safety and dignity of all residents, including transgender people, and take responsibility for

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For example, it sets both in public and online.

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I would like to see the board make a clear statement that hateful or violent language toward

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any group is not tolerated in our community.

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I hope you will hold yourselves in each other to the highest standard of integrity because

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your leadership shapes what kind of community this is for everyone.

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When I worked for the county, I had to sign a form at the beginning of the year that said I would not post things online that would be inflammatory in any way.

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I believe that's a standard that was acceptable to me because it's a professional role that I play.

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You can't be a private citizen and being a professional role, Mr. Griefer, it doesn't work like that.

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We all live here, and all of us need to feel safe.

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And if you can say you didn't write it, and someone pirated your account, but no one believes

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that.

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So, please recognize that if you're going to talk, then you've got to be able to take

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accountability for that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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That concludes our speakers.

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I know, I'm sorry.

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we agreed to the four so we will continue on again we have a very tight schedule today and I appreciate

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everybody. For those of you who did not have an opportunity to speak please contact your supervisor

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accordingly or you can email the board and we will get your message out. All right so next we'll be our staff reports

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do you have any staff reports?

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Just a quick update for the board and for county employees

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starting February we'll be using the new system to manage the agenda. This effort is part of

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the direction of the board over you.

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Here we go to look at efficiencies and processes within the county and to try to find efficiencies.

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Nicole and Heather have done a great job at looking at the cost of our previous agenda system and finding

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something that costs less and is more efficient and provides more tools that allow us to improve the process of putting

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together the agenda and providing that information to the community. I won't go into a lot of details, but I did

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I don't want to highlight one piece that we're going to be adding that I think is exciting

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for the community, which is it's a live meeting manager and it allows the public to see

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and it displays the votes as the votes are happening versus just being recorded by the clerk.

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So we'll be starting in February with all of our board meetings in the new system and our office

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is very excited for this to be moving forward.

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So thank you for the opportunity to share that information and we look forward to these improvements.

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And it's going to be used just by the board, but it's also going to be used by our commissions

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and committees for their agenda's also.

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So that's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other staff reports?

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Okay, seeing them.

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We'll move into board reports.

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I'll go first.

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I do want to acknowledge that I failed to announce the last vote regarding extending and

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now is supposed to repeat it.

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That was 4-0-0, so for the record we had four supervisors in favor of extending the

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oral communications.

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Secondly, my board report will be, we had talked about having a board workshop on February 2nd

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and 3rd.

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We're going to postpone that for now.

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We're looking at March.

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I had a meeting with the staff, the CAO, and we want to put out the best product possible

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and having it on such a short time, is not going to do that.

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We want to make sure that we're covering all the bases that we're going to look at made

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march. So wait for that. And then, I think the other thing that we had was

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under contingent counters, so I'll get to that. Any other board reports?

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Yeah, I have a board report.

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Through Vice-Cample.

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Thank you, Chair. So I've chosen to use my board reports today to talk about two individuals

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that our friends of mine and service county in a variety of ways that our community lost recently.

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So the first is Colette Such, she's a former city council member and just all around

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great person, very active in the community from the time she was very young.

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She sold hot dogs down in Columbia State Park when she was in her 20s and worked at the

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council. She passed away in November in December and another person that has done a tremendous

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amount to serve our community as Jake Edminson. He's a resident of my district, a proud

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resident of Cedar Ridge. He's a local playwright. He served on a number of different committees

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in the county, including the access to all me committee. He passed away as well. So it was kind

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difficult a couple of weeks of Sega by to some friends and our communities a little bit

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poor for having lost them, but I really wanted to highlight the achievements and accomplishments

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of Jake Edminson and Colette such and more in their loss.

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Thank you, thank you for your visit, Kirk.

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All right, real quick.

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I want to thank Carol Hallett.

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She's done years of volunteer work up in tweenheart and for getting people fire ready in

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home-hardened and all that stuff.

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So thank you, Kara Hallett, for all your years of volunteerism.

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Also, I did attend class such as Memorial Service, and although I was speaking with

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another person who's in politics, and we were kind of on the same page where I think we would

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sometimes trigger each other because we thought things differently politically, but I attended

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because I'll never forget, even though we didn't agree, she was kind, and I appreciate

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anybody who steps up and doughnuts any other time to serve in public office. It's not glamorous

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and is great to be there. Also, in wake of the station 56, I did reach out to some insurance

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brokers. There was word that everybody's insurance was going to get canceled because of it.

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I reached out to some insurance brokers. I just want folks to know they advised that because it was

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employees have to be paid full-time employees. So if somebody in the

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community, here's something completely different from their broker, please

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advise. I think it we need to.

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We need to be very clear as far as the fair plan and how it's not fair and how the insurance companies

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are dropping people. And we need to not blur the lines, specifically with that station,

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because it was important to me to get those facts. I just want to share it with a community.

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If you do hear something different, if you're insurance company calls and says, we are canceling

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you because the station 56, please show me that and writing. And I will work on that on the other end.

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And that's it. Thank you.

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Can I speak to that last issue because I made some calls as well?

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I saw that you had made a claim that I was misleading people about insurance and I thought,

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you know, I should probably look into that more.

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So, I called the deputy director of the Department of Insurance for the State of California,

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and they confirmed that yes, indeed, losing a fire station, would increase people's

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Potentially increased people's insurance premiums and risk of losing insurance because obviously

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it would. The fire station itself, while it was not operational 24 hours a day, the engine

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and the staffing for that engine was available 24 hours a day and was responding to calls

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in those neighborhoods. So losing the engine and not necessarily the physical building is what's

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the impact. And I don't necessarily think that a local broker would be in a position to

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understand that because the way insurance risk is determined is not at the local level.

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It's at the corporate level. There are people in offices outside of our county determining

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what individual risk level there is. So I got a very different answer.

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Okay. Well, for the sake of conversation, let's not I'm just saying let's work on this.

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Let's I want to get your contact with the deputy director. We'll get in contact with the local brokers.

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And because local brokers are the ones who are actually writing the policies.

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I know they go that underwriting, but I would I would like to get a clear answer.

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So I'll work with you on that.

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All right. So if I was on.

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All right.

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So as I said, we have a very stacked.

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We have a 10 o'clock appointment. We have to hit.

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So do any of my colleagues anticipate pulling items from the consent with the exception.

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of item number 11. I don't remember 11 is going to be pulled. As you can tell, Supervisor

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Brandon is not here today.

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I know I'm asking you to kind of put you on a spot in the

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reason why is if there if it's something that we could knock out quick with public comment

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because I'd like to take a break at 9.50 so that we have the 10 minutes to set up the Zoom

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00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,020
and the meeting accordingly. If it looks like we're going to go past that then I would like to

445
00:37:42,020 --> 00:37:47,780
down to you and I'll probably put public works on the spot if they're here, item number 13,

446
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:50,020
which would be the name change by a mountain light.

447
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:56,990
Nothing to pull, just one call that. Thank you, sir.

448
00:37:57,450 --> 00:38:03,430
Nothing. Supervisor Kirk. Nope, so we think we can hit our goal on that one.

449
00:38:04,370 --> 00:38:06,030
I'm taking public error taken in the consent.

450
00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:11,910
Okay, all right, then we'll go ahead and roll into the consent. Hopefully the longest part will be the

451
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:14,530
items. Madam Chair, Madam Clerk.

452
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:22,310
Item number one, approving a grant agreement with Health Net LLC to fund the population health

453
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:29,370
management program, recognizing and anticipated revenue in the amount of $22,305, increasing

454
00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:35,270
appropriations by the same amount in the fiscal year 2025-26, public health department budget,

455
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:40,330
an authorizing the county administrator, administrative officer, excuse me, to sign all

456
00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:42,730
related documents for fist vote required.

457
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:48,130
Item number two, approving an amendment to the Professional Service Agreement with GEO

458
00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:56,070
Reentry Services, LLC, commencing February 1, 2026, an ending July 31, 2026 to continue providing

459
00:38:56,070 --> 00:39:02,550
Twome County Day Reporting Center in Jail Reentry Program Operations at a cost not to exceed

460
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:13,670
$296,490 in authorizing the county administrator to sign all related documents, included in the fiscal year 25-26 adopted budget.

461
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:21,390
Item number three, one, awarding the contract for child and family visitation office conversion at 12mg.

462
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:36,190
slash IFB NPW-2025-0081 to T and S West, not to exceed $515,775 and 2,

463
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:41,070
consenting to the subcontractor, substitution for IT infrastructure work,

464
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:46,170
bid item number 10, included in the fiscal year 2025-26 adopted budget.

465
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:52,970
Item 4, adopting Resolution 05-26, approving an agreement with Cal Fire for a volunteer

466
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:59,430
fire assistance grant, the FAA, in the amount of $13,711.

467
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,240
Increasing appropriations in the fire fund by the same amount, and authorizing the county administrator to sign all related documents for this vote required.

468
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:15,540
Item number 5, adopting resolution 06-26, authorizing the county administrator and the district

469
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:20,140
attorney victim, witness supervisor, as the grant sub-award authorizes agents on behalf

470
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:24,780
of the county of Tmoney, at the request of the California Office of Emergency Services Agency

471
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:31,740
for a grant in the amount of 314,710 dollars for the district attorney's victim, witness

472
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:36,300
assistance program and rescinding 65-25.

473
00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:42,920
Item number 6, adopting resolution 07-26 for authorizing signature delegation to the County

474
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,460
Administrative Officer and the District Attorney Victim Witness Supervisor is the Grant

475
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:52,080
Civil Award authorized agent on behalf of the County of Tualony at the request of the California

476
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,720
Office of Emergency Services Agency.

477
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,680
For the California Office of Emergency Services, Child Advocacy's Advocacy Centers,

478
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:08,060
KC, excuse me, program for the grant period of April 1, 2025 through March 31, 2026, and

479
00:41:08,060 --> 00:41:10,540
rescinding resolution 105-24.

480
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Item 7, adopting resolution 08-26, authorizing the county administrator and the District Attorney

481
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Victim Witness Supervisor is the grant sub-word authorized agents on behalf of the county

482
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,360
at the request of the California Office of Emergency Services Agency for the California Office of Emergency Services,

483
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:36,500
Child Advocacy Centers, KC Program, for the grant period of April 01, 2026 through March 31, 2027,

484
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:39,500
and rescinding resolution 89-25.

485
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,540
Item number 8, approving the re-appointment of Shelley Munez as the District 2 representative

486
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:51,160
and Stephanie Foster is the District 4 representative, and Eric and excuse me, Larry Brinnell,

487
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:57,140
as the local service provider representative, with terms expiring April 6, 2027 to the

488
00:41:57,140 --> 00:42:03,340
Tual and County Homelessness Committee. Item number 9, adopting Resolution 09-26, accepting

489
00:42:03,340 --> 00:42:08,680
claims for excess proceeds from sales of tax-defaulted properties and authorizing distribution

490
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,740
of excess proceeds from the sales.

491
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:17,050
Item number 10, 1, approving the award of contracts for

492
00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:21,930
on call-solid waste and recycling consulting services to our three consulting group, Inc.

493
00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:29,510
and H.F. and H. Consultants L.L.C. in the amount not to exceed $250,000 each and

494
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:34,350
two, delegating signature authority to the Director of Public Works for task orders issued

495
00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:39,950
under said contracts, included in the fiscal year 25-26 adopted budget.

496
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:44,790
All right. Thank you. All right. There was a board.

497
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:45,250
Comments?

498
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:46,950
Just to comment on number eight.

499
00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:47,930
So the approval.

500
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:53,090
Reappointment of the three representatives for 2020 County Homeless Committee.

501
00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:59,730
Just want to thank Shelly Minis, Labor Nell, and Stephanie Foster for their service up

502
00:42:59,730 --> 00:43:00,170
to this point.

503
00:43:00,410 --> 00:43:05,870
They're all three heavy hitter hardworking engaged members of that committee.

504
00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:11,130
So I'm really glad that they decided to re-up their service on the Homelessness Committee

505
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:11,970
because I don't know.

506
00:43:12,130 --> 00:43:13,130
We would do without them.

507
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:15,650
So I just wanted to thank those three people,

508
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:17,230
Shelley, Larry, and Stephanie.

509
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:18,430
Thank you.

510
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:19,890
Do you guys are honed?

511
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:23,890
My question is for County Council.

512
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:26,870
Can we just, instead of having a reading entire thing,

513
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:29,490
can we just say the consent calendar has presented

514
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:31,770
so that way in case of where we just misspoke

515
00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:33,190
and we don't have to redo it about later?

516
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:37,250
Different counties handle that differently.

517
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:39,410
I do not think there is a legal requirement

518
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:41,490
that all the consent items be read in,

519
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:44,450
unless there's something on the consent

520
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:48,810
like a ordinance or something that would require reading or a waiver of the reading.

521
00:43:49,090 --> 00:43:53,450
I know it's not for today, but maybe we take up making a change, but that's all I got on that.

522
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:58,510
Among those lines, if I may, we have been talking about this kind of one of the things I wanted to bring forward,

523
00:43:58,610 --> 00:44:01,870
is to streamline our meetings a little bit quicker, there have been questions about,

524
00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:06,790
it's a lot of data to read, it's a lot of things we appreciate you taking the time to do that,

525
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:10,330
but sometimes things get confused, so we just want to make sure that going forward,

526
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:13,590
that and we can just say we're going to approve the consent account calendar, very sorry,

527
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:17,730
we're going to acknowledge the items and then we can discuss for instance, you know,

528
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:23,350
at a county that I served in Fresno County, they would have 50 to 90 items on the consent

529
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:29,470
calendar and big counties like LA probably have hundreds if you took the time to actually read

530
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:36,250
all those, it wouldn't be possible. I appreciate the comment there. We know that we're working

531
00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:43,610
Yeah, and you know just also speak to that we pretty much everything you can think of to streamline the agenda

532
00:44:43,610 --> 00:44:50,470
We have tried at one point or another and that is one of them the the issue was never the reading of of the agenda

533
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:58,010
Although I understand the point of if something's not right correctly because if you look I mean that took maybe you know less than five minutes or so

534
00:44:58,450 --> 00:44:59,970
The issue was that

535
00:45:01,860 --> 00:45:23,240
And that's usually what makes the consent take longer than it does in other counties or really probably should. So that kind of comes at the, at the CEO level where figuring out what should be on consent, what should be a regular agenda item is something I think we've always kind of struggled with. So that's just kind of my two cents.

536
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,320
Yeah, no, I mean, the ironic thing is that we're talking about a standard gender, which is not

537
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,500
under a standard gender discussion, so we can throw that on there for later discussions.

538
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,480
So I appreciate those comments.

539
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,100
The point was raising up, I solved my put a lot of thought into two, so I couldn't resist that.

540
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:39,920
Yeah, no, I appreciate that interaction.

541
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:41,640
That's correct.

542
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:42,560
Do you guys agree?

543
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:44,520
Any comments?

544
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,260
No?

545
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:45,640
No?

546
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:45,800
All right.

547
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,120
We'll open it up to the members of the public.

548
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:52,040
Anybody wish to speak on any of these items, these 10 items?

549
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,740
have three minutes.

550
00:45:56,950 --> 00:46:00,010
I just want to say I'm in support of item number two with

551
00:46:00,010 --> 00:46:05,810
GRE entry services. I'm very impressed with the work that you do and in their

552
00:46:05,810 --> 00:46:09,890
new facility that they moved into last year they are very open to giving

553
00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:14,730
tours. So if anyone would like to see what it is they do or talk with them they

554
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,030
are very open to that. Thank you.

555
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,320
Good morning Board, Patrick Spink, district

556
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:30,520
attorney's office. I'm here today to clear up any potential confusion regarding items five through seven.

557
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:37,780
These resolutions are replacing prior resolutions of that name, the victim witness supervisor by name.

558
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,300
She's no longer with our office, so these are replacing her name with her title, which will allow me to manage

559
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:47,140
those grants in the meantime until we find a new victim witness supervisor.

560
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,680
Thank you. Thank

561
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,020
you. Any other public comment?

562
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:59,000
Seeing that, I'll call for the vote. Move to proof, consent.

563
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:01,660
Second.

564
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:02,260
Second.

565
00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:02,500
All second.

566
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,740
Super, as Campbell, first.

567
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Super, there's a home.

568
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,840
Second. All in favor say aye.

569
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:09,000
No opposed.

570
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:09,620
No abstention.

571
00:47:10,180 --> 00:47:11,480
So the vote is 4000.

572
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,480
All right.

573
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,540
At this time, we're going to take a break until 10 o'clock.

574
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:19,280
So we can get our items or our zoom set up and all of the meeting.

575
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,740
Information ready for the next meeting.

576
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:24,960
So we'll take a 15-ish meet the minute break.

577
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:26,140
Okay.

578
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:30,860
Wait for us who has a current but what we do that will do the housekeeping. So my intent is to take the tannic

579
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:39,100
Cock appointment and then we'll take the 930 appointment and then we'll do I don't know 15 which is the

580
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:43,900
With health and human services. I know a number of you are here to talk about that. So

581
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:50,580
staff just kind of know what the game plan is. So my goal is to take again the 10 o'clock then 930 then number 15

582
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:53,040
Which is the health and human services regarding

583
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:54,840
That topic

584
00:47:56,140 --> 00:48:00,640
with that being said. Please read number the ten o'clock appointment.

585
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:10,050
Penning and consideration and an adoption of resolution number 12-26 adopting findings and decision

586
00:48:10,050 --> 00:48:15,330
as directed after the public hearing on application for fair rate of return under

587
00:48:15,330 --> 00:48:22,830
12 county ordinance code 5.28.070 filed by the Milville estate's mobile home park located at

588
00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:30,710
717 Milville-Auro James Town, California, 95327, are all turnatively consideration and adoption

589
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:37,150
of resolution number 13-26 adopting the same findings and decision as directed, accepting

590
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:43,350
reconsideration for inclusion of a Kavanaugh adjustment for delay and processing of the application.

591
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:50,470
Thank you. Turn it over to County Council. Good morning, chair members of the board.

592
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:56,210
On December 17th, your board held a lengthy public hearing to consider Millville Mobile Home

593
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:58,810
Parks application for a fair rate of return.

594
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:04,690
Although the hearing closed, the matter is not concluded until your board adopts written

595
00:49:04,690 --> 00:49:08,450
findings in a decision, and that is the purpose of today's item.

596
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:14,910
Before you this morning, our two alternate resolutions to choose from, exhibit a adopter board's

597
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:24,130
findings is voted, one granting a $44.22 per space per month increase as a fair rate of return,

598
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:31,910
and two denying the parks request for a temporary three-year delay or a cavernal adjustment

599
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:40,570
of $22.59. The alternate resolution exhibit B grants the same fair rate of return increase,

600
00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:47,830
Accept if you're bored, reconsider the cabinet adjustment as Dr. Bart recommends as a temporary

601
00:49:47,830 --> 00:49:54,850
three-year adjustment of $8.18 which is based on the six-month delay.

602
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:11,900
$41,775 spread over 36 months, and 155 spaces at 7% interest. As further explanation, when your board

603
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:16,500
moved and voted to deny the cabinet adjustment, we believe your board should have been informed

604
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:22,580
of the consequences. Which, if the park is entitled to a delay adjustment, the board does not

605
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:29,080
transfer that responsibility to the tenants who benefited during that period with artificially

606
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:35,200
rents, the county would be liable to pay that cavernal adjustment. Therefore, Dr. Barnar

607
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:41,280
Office recommend your board adopt resolution and exhibit B, which reconsideres and imposes

608
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,560
the cavernal adjustment with the fair rate of return. Dr. Barnar and our outside council

609
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Alex Limeo are remotely appearing to answer any questions.

610
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:57,130
Okay. I appreciate that. And the reason we really wanted to stick on this is because one

611
00:50:57,130 --> 00:51:01,170
of the people talking on this is in Australia, correct? I believe so.

612
00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:06,310
So we're trying to make sure that we're taking care of everyone's time and being respectful.

613
00:51:06,570 --> 00:51:08,750
So with that being said, I'll open it up to the board in the comments.

614
00:51:09,090 --> 00:51:09,410
Questions?

615
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:11,050
But I have a question.

616
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:16,650
What is the total of that that we're supposedly on the hook for?

617
00:51:17,830 --> 00:51:20,750
If the park folks don't pay that the county would be on the hook.

618
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:23,050
approximately 41,000, 41,000.

619
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:24,250
So I'm bringing my computer.

620
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:28,010
That correct, 41.

621
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:29,090
Correct.

622
00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:35,230
And if six months is the length of time, that would be $41,000, $75.

623
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,500
And good morning, Doug.

624
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:43,440
Work members.

625
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:44,740
This is Alex Selmue.

626
00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:48,680
I'm the attorney who's been assisting the county with this application.

627
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:52,440
And first of all, thank you very much for hearing this first.

628
00:51:52,580 --> 00:51:56,720
I'm actually in downtown Los Angeles at a jury trial.

629
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:01,080
So I'm fitting it on the roof of this building, quickly trying to do this.

630
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:08,040
everything is as Mr. Smith described it. We just wanted to come back to the board to make

631
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,940
sure the board was fully informed about the concept of the Cavanaugh adjustment because it's

632
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:23,180
something that was addressed very briefly as part of a larger hearing in the context of December.

633
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:30,560
So just to briefly explain it, the purpose of the Cavanaugh adjustment is to compensate the

634
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:38,220
work owner for the amount of money that it would have been entitled to had the application

635
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:44,180
in process without any delay. Without the cabinet adjustment, the park residents would

636
00:52:44,180 --> 00:52:51,020
essentially get a windfall as a result of any delays in processing of the application.

637
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:57,440
The purpose of the cabinet adjustment is not to have the county assumed the cost, it's

638
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,100
have that cost be accounted for as part of the running

639
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:03,860
increase that's applied to the tenants.

640
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,880
So that amount, we didn't have the figure for you

641
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,120
with December hearing.

642
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:16,100
We do now, the total amount is approximately $35,000.

643
00:53:16,580 --> 00:53:20,200
That comes out to about $8 a month per per president.

644
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,000
So our recommendation is, first and foremost,

645
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:34,440
that the board adopts Dr. Bars' report is its findings and fall, including applying the

646
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:40,840
cavernaw adjustment in doing so in the normal manner where it's passed through to the

647
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:49,340
tenants. If the board doesn't wish to do that, instead wishes to have the county assume that

648
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:55,300
costs, that's the secondary option, and now we can present to you the fact that that total amount

649
00:53:55,300 --> 00:54:00,240
going to be in the 40 to 45,000 dollar range as a secondary option.

650
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:07,520
Whatever the board decides to do, it should be based on substantial evidence, such as the

651
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,080
information contained in Dr. Bars Report.

652
00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:16,360
Dr. Bars is here on the line to answer any questions you might have about the substance

653
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,300
of this report.

654
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:24,250
Okay, my colleagues, do you guys are in Campbell?

655
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:30,630
Thank you, Mr. Lemue. The one thing that I was doing a little

656
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:43,810
reading about these Kavanaugh rules, the, we're going off of the mobile home park owners number

657
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:49,210
in terms of the days or the timeline that it was delayed because of the county, is that

658
00:54:49,210 --> 00:54:49,730
correct.

659
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:56,390
That's not quite correct, but I think um...

660
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Anywhere he arrived at the number?

661
00:55:02,140 --> 00:55:09,580
Yeah, because the question is, what is a reasonable estimate of time that it takes to process

662
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:14,380
these kind of documents for accounting like ours that has essentially never done this or we

663
00:55:14,380 --> 00:55:18,960
haven't done this in many, many decades. Nobody that works or currently has ever processed

664
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:28,300
these kind of fair rate of return requests before. What is a reasonable amount of time for that?

665
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:36,500
documents to be processed. And my concern as it is now as it was during hearing is that if we

666
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:42,280
open that door, if we say the county has to process things in two weeks or three weeks or whatever

667
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:48,340
it is, that that's going to be applied to every single permit that comes to the county. Anything that

668
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:54,680
gets delayed is the county now, culpable for that cost of the delay. I'm worried about this being

669
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,820
extrapolated out to every type of permit that comes to the county because there are a variety

670
00:55:59,820 --> 00:56:05,340
of reasons why permits might be delayed, some justified and some not. And so are we going

671
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:09,900
to now have to look into every single one of those applications to see whether or not they're

672
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:14,440
entitled to a Kavanaugh reimbursement or whatever you'd call it?

673
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:26,100
The short answer to your question is absolutely not. This only applies in the context of the

674
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:30,460
for every other type of permit application whatsoever.

675
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:39,200
They may be subject to their own rules regarding reasonableness of delays, but this doesn't

676
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,660
set any kind of precedent or create any kind of standard outside of the realm of mobile

677
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:47,460
home park fair rate of return application.

678
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:52,940
Having said that, I think Dr. Bars should speak to how we arrived at the number for the

679
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:58,840
reasonable amount of the way. Yeah, that's what I don't want to want to know essentially is what

680
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:07,380
is a reasonable amount of time to process this kind of thing. Given the context of everything

681
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:15,700
that we've already talked about. Okay, and you hear me? As I said, he's coming from us. I was going

682
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:20,080
to say that. I was waiting for this set up. I was waiting for him to come on. You're a little

683
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,220
sideways with us, sir. It looks like he's at the equator, I said. I don't know what to do about

684
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:30,640
video, I know, but you can hear me? And the southern hemisphere zooms. I fully get it.

685
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:37,620
Great. The Korean all is perfect. Dr. Varve, I think if I may, my colleague's question is,

686
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:44,340
what is, how was it determined that what reasonable time of delay? How's that determined?

687
00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:48,580
No, I can hear you clearly. Can you hear me? Yes.

688
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:57,740
Okay, great. Okay, there is no rule. I mean, because most, you know, there are a lot

689
00:57:57,740 --> 00:58:01,960
hundred different cities of mobile home park, grant regulation, they take different

690
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:09,540
amounts of times to process their applications. What I felt was here was the situation

691
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:20,240
was for the first about five or six months. The county didn't quite know what to do with

692
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:27,440
the application and then starting in June, things started to move. I found a reasonable

693
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:37,420
fashion. But this process has taken a year and I estimated that six months of delay was

694
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:43,440
more than should have occurred. The park on her claim that she'd be a 10 month, I think was

695
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:49,040
a 10 month claim of delay, but I didn't think that was reasonable. But as I said, there's

696
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:56,240
no firm rule about this, but this will have been reasonable. And I also want to Mr. Look News

697
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:02,760
been talking about the Cavana adjustment. Understand, if this had been processed, you know, starting

698
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,480
in January rather waiting till June. The application came in in January, but it wasn't really

699
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,720
processed till June. The residents would have had to start paying this ran in three six

700
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,740
months earlier. But as I say, this is an estimate that there's no for our rule, there's no perfect

701
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:29,820
measure of how much time it should have taken in. Thank you. And then the last question was there ever

702
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:39,820
a promise made by anybody at the county to anyone at the mobile home park or any of the owners

703
00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:44,500
of the representatives of mobile home park that they would process this in a particular

704
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:45,240
time line.

705
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,820
Did they say we will get this done in three months and then they did not get it done in three

706
00:59:48,820 --> 00:59:49,480
months.

707
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,860
Was there any kind of hard and fast obligation that the county entered into willingly?

708
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:21,520
Probably try to answer that. Our office worked with CDD's housing division, which administers this ordinance. At the time we got the application, this was the first one we've had no existing staff has had experience with this type of application.

709
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,280
And so we initially were trying to review it

710
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,260
and determine if we had any resources in-house

711
01:00:28,260 --> 01:00:31,300
to handle it into a extent.

712
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:36,140
And at the point, we determined that we did not,

713
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,100
and we did need to retain outside assistance

714
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:43,760
for it, locate them, and retain them.

715
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,620
It was several months down the line.

716
01:00:46,460 --> 01:00:50,320
So it's not, I don't believe we had direct communications

717
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:58,900
with the residents regarding that, but we were also, it wasn't a period where nothing was

718
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:04,100
being done. We were simply trying to gear up for something we've never seen before.

719
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:10,420
I just want to know if we ever oblige ourselves to get these process in a particular timeline

720
01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:14,480
and then we broke that promise. Not to my knowledge.

721
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Okay, so, and I can say from my end that I never made any representation of that nature on behalf of the county.

722
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,520
Okay, thank you.

723
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:26,000
My conclusion.

724
01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:35,460
Is the cabinet adjustment specific to, for, for, for ferry returns or is this, it sounds like we're talking specifically or it could,

725
01:01:35,540 --> 01:01:40,880
Supervisor Campbell's concern is it could go to a lot of other things, but it sounds to me like this is very specific to ferry returns.

726
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,600
Yeah, that's exactly correct.

727
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,440
It's completely specific to fair rate of return.

728
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:58,560
I just want to emphasize it's not a admission of wrongdoing or of a problem on the county's

729
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:58,680
part.

730
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:05,900
The only purpose of it is to make sure, you know, the fair rate of return is mechanism for determining

731
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:11,600
that the owner is entitled to have a rented a particular wobble and this is making sure

732
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:18,880
to apply to a reasonable period after the application is process. That's all. It's to prevent

733
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:25,420
the situation where the tenant's essentially get a windfall of free rent as a result of

734
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:31,420
the time that takes to just go through the hearing process. That time, it's edgilling to be

735
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:38,940
influenced by many things such as the county or the public agency, familiarity and experience with

736
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:48,350
type of hearings. So, it's not some sort of admission of a mistake or negligence having been made

737
01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:53,710
to apply the adjustment. The reason we're recommending the county including Cavanagh Adjustment

738
01:02:53,710 --> 01:03:01,370
is in our experience that's going to provide the strongest possible record in the event of an appeal

739
01:03:01,370 --> 01:03:03,050
to uphold the county's decision.

740
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:06,690
Okay. Thank you.

741
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:07,810
Supervisor Kirk any further?

742
01:03:08,290 --> 01:03:08,870
Sing then.

743
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:09,710
Supervisor Wong.

744
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:11,490
OK, so one of this originally

745
01:03:11,490 --> 01:03:12,950
gets submitted the first application

746
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:15,470
or it came to the county when.

747
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:16,230
This is a life.

748
01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:21,490
I believe it was January of 25th, January of 25th, OK.

749
01:03:21,930 --> 01:03:24,430
And one did we hire Mr. Lummoot.

750
01:03:24,650 --> 01:03:26,050
Lummoot, I'm going to mess up your name, sorry.

751
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:27,070
The other attorney,

752
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:30,920
I would have to check.

753
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:32,420
I don't have that immediately, Andy.

754
01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:34,020
When did we hire you, sir?

755
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,400
I think it would have been an April or May.

756
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:45,580
And then, my move would have been after that to retain Dr. Barr a few weeks after that.

757
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:51,160
Okay. So within three or four months, then at that point, there was a little bit of back and forth with the applicant.

758
01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:53,960
We did after request some additional documents.

759
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:59,820
So there was a, there was a back and forth process of asking for additional documents.

760
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:04,840
That accounted for some of a few weeks of the delay as well.

761
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:08,520
And we also had litigation commenced during this period.

762
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,040
Yeah, they try to force it. Okay, so when was the last time they submitted documents?

763
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:21,960
Anything to us to strengthen their case or whatever they were doing when you guys asked for something one the last lunch of stuff come in

764
01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:25,020
The last bunch of stuff came in

765
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:32,360
My recollection and this is in the resolution it would have been in September. No, I even October

766
01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:36,940
October. Well, that's well, that's true. Okay, we

767
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,180
Dr. Bars making a good point.

768
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,440
In September, we deem the application complete.

769
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:48,260
However, in response to Dr. Bars' initial report,

770
01:04:48,740 --> 01:04:53,220
the applicant submitted a report that changed many of the underlying assumptions

771
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,620
in the basis for the application.

772
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,980
We received you information for the applicant. Okay, and I believe our hearing was in November or in December, December 17, December 17, December, yeah. Okay, so if I get this right, they submitted it at the beginning of January, within three or four months of county, because we've never done this before, when I hired outside council to deal with this situation, you then hired Dr. Bard, do the math, and then there was back and forth going on with them saying that your application wasn't complete.

773
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,580
So they didn't have a complete application until September.

774
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:37,380
And then basically two and a half months later we had the hearing.

775
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,620
And it sounds like some more documents came in one month after that.

776
01:05:40,700 --> 01:05:45,300
So I guess I'm out in our time processing if it was really that much of a delay or is it

777
01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:48,260
just because you want to have a hearing doesn't mean you're ready to go because you just

778
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:51,140
told me their application was in complete until September.

779
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,880
And then we need more documentation that arrived in October.

780
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,300
So it sounds like everybody wasn't even ready until October.

781
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,280
And then a month and a half later we have a hearing.

782
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,380
I mean, in government world, that seems beyond.

783
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,480
I'd like this.

784
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,480
I'd like to comment.

785
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,160
Go ahead, sir.

786
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:12,460
Well, look, say they weren't complete until October.

787
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:19,460
Part of the reason was the information requests that were coming from the county didn't start until July.

788
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:21,040
They were June.

789
01:06:21,180 --> 01:06:22,020
There was nothing.

790
01:06:22,540 --> 01:06:24,400
They couldn't do anything more.

791
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:25,200
They completed.

792
01:06:25,580 --> 01:06:27,560
They basically gave all the documents.

793
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,940
they should have in the beginning, but then we made more information requests and they would

794
01:06:32,940 --> 01:06:38,260
have gotten those requests to complete it much quicker, let's say, put in the process

795
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:40,380
theoretically right away.

796
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,540
Andy, for the show, okay.

797
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,700
I, you guys answered all my questions.

798
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:53,440
I do want to say for the record that Supervisor Brandon, had he been here today, he would

799
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,340
have had to recruse himself from this matter, so it's not that he's not here.

800
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,620
He would have had to recuse himself from this matter, so for the record, with that, I will

801
01:07:00,620 --> 01:07:02,120
I had no one to doubt the public comment.

802
01:07:05,860 --> 01:07:08,480
If you wish to discuss on this item, we have three minutes to do so.

803
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,640
Please come up to the podium.

804
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:13,580
There'll be a clock in the corner here at one minute.

805
01:07:13,660 --> 01:07:16,900
You'll hear a beep and I'll let you know you got one minute left.

806
01:07:19,140 --> 01:07:24,520
As for the 80 team being passed to the tennis recommended by county counsel and staff,

807
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:30,080
it was not the fault of the delay for the more the ordinance itself didn't have

808
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:36,740
process in order in case a part owner came forward to ask for a fair rate return. That was

809
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:41,480
part of the delay. It seems the process could have been put in order many years ago such

810
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:47,280
as when the rate control ordinance was adopted. Also gathering evidence from both parties

811
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,120
and analyzing to reach a clear picture takes time to reach a fair decision. The attendance

812
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,320
had no control of this. Well, I do understand the County Council's concern about the

813
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:06,520
of Santa Monica, 1997. Is there anything preventing IPG from not suing the county regarding

814
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,860
before 42 recommendation?

815
01:08:11,470 --> 01:08:14,350
Sure, we're not going to answer it. We don't want to stop your

816
01:08:14,350 --> 01:08:21,970
role. We ask that the county council and staff recommendation A without the delay adjustment.

817
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:29,430
And no, in the delay to me, it seems to me that it's part of the county's responsibility

818
01:08:29,950 --> 01:08:36,730
for the delay. I think it was part of the the responsibility of IPG. I think Dr. Barton mentioned

819
01:08:36,730 --> 01:08:43,030
a few times that he was waiting for papers and waiting for papers from IPG to get and

820
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:47,590
receive them. And I don't know if that's the reasonable time is waiting or unreasonable

821
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:54,490
time waiting. But it seems to me that the delay involved all three parties are two parties,

822
01:08:54,490 --> 01:08:58,990
county and IPG itself. Thank you. Thank you.

823
01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:11,530
As a supervisor, Campbell stated that, you know,

824
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:17,110
the county is at fault for this. So in no way should the people be responsible for this at all.

825
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:22,630
This is all the county. So they'd make that in a consideration. Thank you. Thank you.

826
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:27,460
Any other?

827
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:36,940
Yes. I agree with the gentleman that just passed. We are not unaware of anything that was going on.

828
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:45,780
we have no communication with the managers, or the office, so how can we defend ourselves

829
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:48,260
if we don't even know what's going on?

830
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:54,970
I mean there's nothing that it was presented to us from

831
01:10:00,050 --> 01:10:07,990
Whatever this company is, or the manager, we just pay our rent when it's told to.

832
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:12,910
That seems a little unfair.

833
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:21,530
Thank you. Any further comments? Okay, I'll bring it back to the board. I'm going to lead off.

834
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:25,190
Could I, excuse me? I'm going to say what you're about to say.

835
01:10:25,470 --> 01:10:28,090
Well, that gentleman, he misunderstood what I was saying.

836
01:10:28,090 --> 01:10:29,570
which is exactly what I was about to say.

837
01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:32,650
I was seeing that it wasn't the count of the count of the count of the count of the

838
01:10:32,650 --> 01:10:33,250
go it.

839
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:36,770
What I was going to say was the county hasn't admitted that there was that the county committed

840
01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:37,330
any fault.

841
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:39,370
There's not been a determined that there was any fault.

842
01:10:40,190 --> 01:10:46,370
So the interpretation that there was a delay that hasn't been established that a delay has

843
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:46,630
occurred.

844
01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:48,270
So I think that's what you were going to say.

845
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:50,510
But I knew you were.

846
01:10:50,590 --> 01:10:51,330
Well, ready to go.

847
01:10:51,610 --> 01:10:56,850
So the last point was that it's certainly not the fault of the residents.

848
01:10:57,450 --> 01:11:05,390
It doesn't appear to me that the county did anything wrong or that this timeline was in any way a shape or form

849
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:10,990
Not reasonable given the material and the resources that the county eventually did put toward this

850
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:19,170
And that if there isn't a fault that it seems to be more with the

851
01:11:19,170 --> 01:11:25,150
With the mobile home park owner that that's the way I see it and so other than

852
01:11:25,150 --> 01:11:32,330
This concern of of the appeal and making it making the offer more attracted to the appeal. I don't see any reason to approve

853
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:40,970
I still feel more or less the same way I did when we had the hearing that I'm I'm I'm no I don't think that we need to be

854
01:11:42,910 --> 01:11:47,510
Making the taxpayers pay for this or making the mobile home park residence pay for this

855
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:52,410
Yeah, well, I will go first a second time. Yeah, but I appreciate you

856
01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:54,910
kind of summed up exactly what I was going to say and I have a little flow chart here

857
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:56,270
basically we're at a fork in the road.

858
01:11:56,550 --> 01:12:00,490
Is this a counter responsibility, right, is it or is it there responsibility?

859
01:12:01,090 --> 01:12:05,170
Did the county do everything that we could in the timely manner delay, you know, the process

860
01:12:05,170 --> 01:12:10,050
several times, as Supervisor Campbell, you probably agree with on our calendars, we would

861
01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:13,390
establish a date and then we could cancel it, establish a date and we could cancel it.

862
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:20,030
So I don't believe that the county has been the delay in this process as far as the people

863
01:12:20,030 --> 01:12:25,250
in the mobile home park, you kind of got two groups fighting over you, and you didn't know

864
01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:28,750
this was occurring until it kind of came to light. And then, in some degree, you don't want

865
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:34,970
that, right? You want your government to be acting on your represented government. So that's kind

866
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:40,330
of why, if I may, you kind of feel like you were left in the cold, but a little bit that was

867
01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:44,690
by design because we don't, you know, we want to make sure that we don't have any complications

868
01:12:44,690 --> 01:12:48,490
of communications which could muddy the waters.

869
01:12:49,090 --> 01:12:54,130
So my last point was that I understand where County Council is playing at safe.

870
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:59,530
I mean, that's kind of what we want to do, but I agree that the meeting, I'm not going

871
01:12:59,530 --> 01:13:02,630
to pass on the money to the people in the mobile home park.

872
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:07,030
I don't think if it was us, I think that we should do the right thing as government and

873
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:07,670
absorb it.

874
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:13,050
If it wasn't us and the other party feels like they want to see us, I'm up for a fight as many

875
01:13:13,050 --> 01:13:13,470
of you know.

876
01:13:13,470 --> 01:13:22,570
So, you know, so I'd say, you know, my position is that we speak, we would be exhibit A, which is that we leave it as is.

877
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:23,290
Do you guys are home?

878
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:25,090
I got one more question.

879
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:27,750
How much have we spent on all of this?

880
01:13:27,850 --> 01:13:28,990
Ballpark it for me.

881
01:13:29,230 --> 01:13:30,350
You're a time.

882
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:33,430
The other turnies time is to bar us time.

883
01:13:33,650 --> 01:13:36,850
Whatever else, just give me a roundabout number.

884
01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,460
We have services of outside council, doctor bar.

885
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,380
We have staff time.

886
01:13:44,380 --> 01:13:50,980
We haven't calculated staff time that could be significant it's tens of thousands

887
01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:54,980
It could be approximately 40 to 50 thousand dollars

888
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:58,220
for contracted

889
01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:59,560
assistance

890
01:14:01,220 --> 01:14:06,720
Right, that's I guess the point that is something tells me because I know you're a Chris. It's probably that's probably a low number

891
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,460
You don't want to tell the real numbers probably 80 or 90. I bet if I had a guess on all this

892
01:14:12,300 --> 01:14:15,640
I wouldn't want to say that would just be, I know, really speculated.

893
01:14:15,780 --> 01:14:19,400
By point, though, is the county is spending money to try to defend the situation.

894
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:21,840
I agree with my colleagues.

895
01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:27,100
We all talked about this in the hearing that this is something the county has never done.

896
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:29,560
Government has never known for getting things done quickly.

897
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:31,860
I'm the first one to say, I hate the speed of government.

898
01:14:33,460 --> 01:14:36,480
But I think there was some back and forth because we've been hearing about this.

899
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,740
Going back and forth paperwork and all that.

900
01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:44,880
I don't know how long it takes other areas to get these done that have never processed one of these ever.

901
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,820
I mean not just like we do when every couple of years the answer was never.

902
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,680
Or if it happened no one's alive that remembers it.

903
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,680
So, you know, to me I just think that that's the same thing.

904
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,000
I think we try our best.

905
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,000
A lot, right? And we could probably get it done a little bit quicker now. We would expect to be a little quicker next time. Yes, but, you know, it takes longer to get a building permit than get this done anyway, so it's fine. So I think we shouldn't be scared of our shadows on the dark, and we just need to stay the course.

906
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:17,760
Three of us occurred.

907
01:15:19,940 --> 01:15:25,360
Yeah, I think my explanation of the timeline helped me. I've been hearing about it.

908
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:32,520
We were given word of it I think sometime in February I remember that maybe being for some of her so I knew staff were working on it

909
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:38,260
So I thank you guys. I know we're down to some skeleton crews in there and we're hoping to reverse that. Thank you for your work.

910
01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:43,580
Thank you for being Council and I think I'll leave it at that.

911
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:54,660
I if you guys know me if I think we were I fault I would own it, but it sounds like it was a in motion it's just not the fast motion that government works at so thank you

912
01:15:54,660 --> 01:15:55,120
Thank you.

913
01:15:55,380 --> 01:15:56,000
So I'll make a motion.

914
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:56,580
Okay.

915
01:15:56,660 --> 01:16:01,780
And I just wanted to add one little bit of information to give context, so this case law that

916
01:16:01,780 --> 01:16:06,680
we're talking about, Kevin Overs is Santa Monica, whatever rental board.

917
01:16:08,380 --> 01:16:11,900
The delay in that case that's being cited was four years.

918
01:16:12,820 --> 01:16:18,480
And so we're talking about a three month delay, the case law that we're concerned about

919
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:25,280
here was orders of magnitude larger delay than what we're being accused of or what it's

920
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,960
called what you will. So to me, I think the county acted completely reasonably given the

921
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,780
totality of the circumstances and I'm yeah whoever motion to make the second.

922
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:44,600
I'll make a motion. We accept the resolution or exhibit a second. Okay. So we have a motion on

923
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:51,480
for Exhibit A and Exhibit A is that without delay, without delay and got it, not passing it on.

924
01:16:51,620 --> 01:16:58,920
So with that being said, on favor say aye, aye. Opposed, no abstention, so the vote is 4-0-0 for

925
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:08,680
Exhibit A. So thank you. All right, we'll move on item number, or so appointment number. Thank you,

926
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,220
We'll do it afterwards.

927
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,100
We'll go ahead and I don't 930,

928
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:16,540
please.

929
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:22,110
930 AM presentation.

930
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:26,710
Direction on identified projects and approval of adopting

931
01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:30,710
Resolution 10-26 for submittal to California's community

932
01:17:30,710 --> 01:17:32,550
Development Block Grant.

933
01:17:32,890 --> 01:17:34,170
Dash disaster recovery,

934
01:17:34,730 --> 01:17:36,010
CDBG, dash DR,

935
01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:40,930
allocation to Tualme County and designate in the County Administrative Officer or their

936
01:17:40,930 --> 01:17:45,010
designate as the authorized signer of any related grant documents.

937
01:17:48,540 --> 01:17:50,080
So you get away, whoever.

938
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:52,040
It's just, I'm just looking at me as like-

939
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,200
It's like a tennis match for you.

940
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,800
Good morning, Board, Dory Beats, your assistant director, Tualme County Office of Emergency Services.

941
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,400
And I'm joined with Blossom Scott Heim, your public works director.

942
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:06,100
We are the two presenting this item.

943
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:07,720
So I'm going to walk through it.

944
01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:14,320
This PowerPoint, I do have copies of this for you, as well as for the public and Blossom

945
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,740
and I are kind of tag team here and work through this.

946
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:25,580
So I want to talk a little bit about this, my little sticker that I've got a little bit

947
01:18:25,580 --> 01:18:26,800
about the program summary.

948
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:32,680
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development is funding long-term recovery efforts

949
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:40,520
following the 2023 and 2024 severe winter storms. This is normal. After major disasters,

950
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:48,040
HUD will have funding available for those impacted communities and counties for long-term recovery.

951
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:57,220
As you all know, and just to remind you, we did have a lot of impacts from the 2023 winter storms,

952
01:18:57,220 --> 01:19:04,680
It actually resulted in two disasters, 46, 83, and 46, 99, but for the purposes of the grant,

953
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:12,240
we are only eligible for those related to the 46, 99 disasters, which was the second storm

954
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,700
in 2023.

955
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:16,660
So Tualme County has been allocated.

956
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:21,960
The disaster recovery infrastructure program, also known as the ifra or the mitigation

957
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,500
resilient infrastructure, MIT, RIP planning program.

958
01:19:26,500 --> 01:19:41,120
These funds will be administered through the California Department of Housing and Community Development and, again, focuses on long-term recovery and addresses the unmet needs that other federal programs have not addressed as a result of that disaster.

959
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:48,340
So there are two particular program categories, as I said the infra and then the mid or the

960
01:19:48,340 --> 01:19:48,520
rib.

961
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:56,020
So infrastructure projects that can tie back to actual damages of the 23 storms.

962
01:19:56,020 --> 01:19:58,840
The Tualme County's allocation is fifth.

963
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:14,660
15,623,941. And then the mitigation, which is the resilient infrastructure and planning, does not require a tieback, but it has to be a mitigation project.

964
01:20:14,660 --> 01:20:19,820
Tualme County's allocation is three millions have 71, 6, 8, 6.

965
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:26,360
Again, these are not funds we are having to compete for anyone and is an allocation given to us as a county.

966
01:20:27,140 --> 01:20:28,880
We must submit an application.

967
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,500
The projects all must meet the eligible requirements of under this program.

968
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,180
So this is the allocation total amounts that has been set aside for Tualme County.

969
01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:49,130
Again, real quickly, this is really the two different categories, the infrastructure, these

970
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:55,650
are the allowable activity types, you can see the list, and then you can see on the left

971
01:20:55,650 --> 01:21:00,110
hand side, and then the right hand side is mitigation, again, those don't have to have

972
01:21:00,110 --> 01:21:08,110
a tieback, so that is the smaller pot, and it includes money for planning, also allows us

973
01:21:08,110 --> 01:21:14,050
use 25% of what would be our FEMA hazard mitigation plan match projects, which is something we'll

974
01:21:14,050 --> 01:21:18,270
talk about. I'll also really focus on capacity building activities.

975
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:21,670
So general guidelines,

976
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:29,450
these are just high level. They must benefit the most impacted and distressed from the 23 storms,

977
01:21:29,550 --> 01:21:35,110
which these projects do. And our entire county was impacted by those storms. It must be consistent

978
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:40,230
with the project's jurisdiction local hazard mitigation plan, which is why public

979
01:21:40,230 --> 01:21:47,730
quirks in OES, we're kind of working together on this, as you know OES reviews and

980
01:21:47,730 --> 01:21:52,710
rights the local hazard mitigation plan on behalf of 12 counties, so we're most familiar with

981
01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:58,850
the mitigation activities and actions that we have provided to FEMA as a part of the

982
01:21:58,850 --> 01:22:04,290
requirement for that hazard mitigation plan. The budget must include total costs, other funding

983
01:22:04,290 --> 01:22:09,610
resources, there has to be an authorizing resolution, which is a part of this agenda item.

984
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:15,450
All of the projects, so all of the money has to be allocated and spent and completed

985
01:22:15,450 --> 01:22:21,190
by July 2030, gives us a short timeframe, but that's really important.

986
01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:27,590
Also, must meet national objective criteria, again serving low and moderate income communities,

987
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:31,690
or it must qualify as having urgent need,

988
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:34,250
which is defined by a county resolution.

989
01:22:34,890 --> 01:22:36,750
That's not included in the resolution

990
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:40,110
that we have to you today, but if need be,

991
01:22:40,190 --> 01:22:41,530
that's what we will come back to you

992
01:22:41,530 --> 01:22:42,850
and we'll explain a little bit more

993
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:45,810
as we get farther into the application process.

994
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:47,490
There is no match required.

995
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:49,750
All of the audits have to be current.

996
01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:51,070
We have to demonstrate that.

997
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:54,330
And I think we're in line with that for the end of February.

998
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:59,150
And then the application itself closes the end of February.

999
01:22:59,630 --> 01:23:04,970
So we have literally a month from today to gather all of this, put it together,

1000
01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:11,090
and then be considered for approval for the allocation of that funding.

1001
01:23:13,740 --> 01:23:17,400
In the grant itself, so we are a subrecipient.

1002
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:21,680
Again, the money is coming to California Housing and Community Development.

1003
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:28,280
we are the subrecipients. They do allow secondary subrecipients and to find by a local government

1004
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:34,780
special district or other similar entity that would enter in an agreement with the subrecipient.

1005
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,380
That's us on an eligible project so they have to meet all of the same requirements.

1006
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:49,240
There has to be a moderating plan between the two HCD has discretion to determine whether proposed entity

1007
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,960
is an eligible secondary subrecipient.

1008
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:57,360
We did reach out to those entities that we felt would be eligible.

1009
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:04,140
There are three, and some of which are here today as well, if need to answer questions about

1010
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:04,760
their projects.

1011
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:10,020
But Grovelin Community Service District, Tommy Park and Recreation District, and the Twain

1012
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:18,020
Heart Community Service District, all have inquired and provided this project, scoping

1013
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:23,260
and dollar amount estimates for projects as a secondary subrecipient.

1014
01:24:26,190 --> 01:24:32,290
So a quick list of some of the proposed projects, again, this is all for discussion and

1015
01:24:32,290 --> 01:24:39,910
direction by you as a board, but there are several Twami County projects under the infrastructure,

1016
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:45,790
including Twami Road, North Reconstruction, Willis Springs, Culvert, Standard Park flood resilience,

1017
01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:52,530
to follow me general building flood resilience, follow me, health and human services, building flood resilience.

1018
01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:58,630
Match for some of the FEMA projects, which would be the county's match required for some of that funding.

1019
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:22,500
And there are some mitigation projects that we are suggesting, including Red Hills Road, low water crossing, roadside fields reduction for all of the county maintain roads, continuity of a government plan, which we do not have evacuation exit signage, and then also generators for many of our county buildings that do not currently have them.

1020
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:24,340
And we'll walk through some of these.

1021
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:32,340
I will say that there is an opportunity possibly, as we work with our technical assistance

1022
01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:40,200
through HCD, that some of the items, the signage, the generators, could move up into the

1023
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:44,760
infrastructure category and not to be covered under the mitigation.

1024
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:51,280
We're still working with them on exactly which projects fit in which bucket best.

1025
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,720
The secondary recipients, as I said,

1026
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,680
a grovelin community service district,

1027
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,480
told me park and wreck and twain heart community service district,

1028
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,960
all have a project.

1029
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,000
So with that, I'm going to let Blossom take over.

1030
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:07,000
Good morning.

1031
01:26:07,260 --> 01:26:09,620
The first project we're proposing is the 12-year-old North

1032
01:26:09,620 --> 01:26:10,480
Reconstruction.

1033
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,720
As you all know, 12-year-old North,

1034
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,680
just north of Ponderosa Hills, was damaged in the storm.

1035
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,980
We completed emergency opening project,

1036
01:26:19,020 --> 01:26:21,540
and we did phase one project to stabilize the road.

1037
01:26:21,540 --> 01:26:30,640
The Phase 2 project is pretty extensive and we've requested funding through FHWA, but we're not confident that we'll be receiving that funding.

1038
01:26:31,420 --> 01:26:33,820
So the total cost is about 4.5 million.

1039
01:26:34,620 --> 01:26:38,720
This will improve slide resiliency and permanently restore the roadway.

1040
01:26:40,340 --> 01:26:45,660
The next project is the Willow Springs Colvert, the main culverts under the entrance to Willow Springs.

1041
01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:48,280
We'll recall that's a one-way and one-way out community.

1042
01:26:48,980 --> 01:26:54,140
Our failing, we have applied to FEMA for funding on this, but again, we're not confident

1043
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:56,480
that the funding will be coming from FEMA.

1044
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,360
This will harden that existing crossing and restore the roadway.

1045
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,500
Next project is the Standard Park Flood Resilience Improvements.

1046
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:09,420
This is about 820,000.

1047
01:27:09,740 --> 01:27:13,100
We have ongoing and recurring flooding there at Standard Park.

1048
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,480
If you recall in 2023, we had some pretty extensive

1049
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:20,780
flooding. This will evaluate the site drainage conditions and then develop final construction

1050
01:27:20,780 --> 01:27:23,840
plans to address that ongoing flooding.

1051
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:30,940
Follow me, HHSA building. This is another one where we've had a flood twice now, pretty

1052
01:27:30,940 --> 01:27:36,860
serious flooding. So again, we'll study the drainage and come up with a plan to eliminate

1053
01:27:36,860 --> 01:27:43,700
that recurring flooding. Could include a physical flood barrier and then follow me general, same

1054
01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:48,500
thing we've had that basement and the first floor flood multiple times. So, this would be

1055
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:53,940
looking at options to address that, including potentially a physical flood barrier.

1056
01:27:56,770 --> 01:27:57,470
This is the

1057
01:27:57,470 --> 01:28:02,050
Red Hills Road low water crossing. This project actually has received funding through the HMGP

1058
01:28:02,050 --> 01:28:10,010
or hazard mitigation grant program through FEMA under an earlier disaster. So, the costs of

1059
01:28:10,010 --> 01:28:12,630
560,000 is our 25% match.

1060
01:28:13,330 --> 01:28:18,490
I will say we're not confident that FEMA is going to fund this.

1061
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:24,350
We're working with them to try to get that final approval.

1062
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:28,050
We've made it through NEPA and environmental phase.

1063
01:28:28,210 --> 01:28:30,510
We've got 100% plans and specs.

1064
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:35,590
But again, we're not confident on that.

1065
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:38,470
This is that main crossing and red hills road.

1066
01:28:40,860 --> 01:28:43,400
And then other mitigation projects,

1067
01:28:44,100 --> 01:28:45,780
roadside fuels reduction as Dory said.

1068
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:48,140
We've just plugged in a number of a million,

1069
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,140
caught in an idea of government plan 125,000,

1070
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,500
exit signs for evacuations, 52,000,

1071
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,280
and the generator backup systems.

1072
01:28:57,300 --> 01:28:58,760
I actually have an updated number.

1073
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,100
That's nine locations.

1074
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:01,900
It would be 1.2 million.

1075
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:07,820
All right, Ease.

1076
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,680
So, as I said, we have three secondary,

1077
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:19,480
subrecipients interested entities and you have information about these proposals. I did

1078
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:26,280
add the third one in your packets and also made that available for the public here today,

1079
01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:31,700
but the first one is Grove Lane Community Service District. It is a stormwater and wastewater

1080
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:40,300
infrastructure project at 1.5155, you know, 1 million, $555,000 as to

1081
01:29:40,300 --> 01:29:45,200
made it cost improvements to restore essential water and wastewater services with

1082
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,320
strength and their long term resilience and ensuring impacted communities remain

1083
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,740
safe and functional.

1084
01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:59,540
The second is the Tualme Park and Recreation District, also a

1085
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,460
Projects, specific to stormwater flood mitigation plan and capacity study. This is 352,200, planning level drainage study and improvement plan to study existing conditions with identified deficiencies that contribute to flood risk and really develop the conceptual mitigation strategies to find or to increase the stormwater retention, manage outflow conditions and reduce backwater impacts at threatened public facilities.

1086
01:30:28,460 --> 01:30:35,500
And the third one, as I said, I included information from the between heart community service

1087
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:36,540
district is specific.

1088
01:30:37,180 --> 01:30:38,400
They actually have two.

1089
01:30:38,780 --> 01:30:44,740
This first one is specific to critical infrastructure remote monitoring in identifying

1090
01:30:44,740 --> 01:30:52,320
those locations of major storm-related waterline breaks, focus on storm, clearing dangerous

1091
01:30:53,380 --> 01:31:00,100
access ways during the snow, monitoring their sewer lift station levels, pumping patterns

1092
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:05,020
to prevent overflows, really monitoring their critical infrastructure, and this would

1093
01:31:05,020 --> 01:31:09,040
be under the infrastructure part of the projects.

1094
01:31:09,820 --> 01:31:19,400
Their second is specific to their cost share for a FEMA disaster 4699 public assistance match,

1095
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:24,000
and that is specific to both their cat-d and cat-seat projects

1096
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,700
where they had damages to water control and part facilities.

1097
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,480
Before we go on to just kind of the overall cost,

1098
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:34,400
I want the board to know that as a secondary subrecipient,

1099
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,560
even though these are their actual cost,

1100
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,140
we would be adding and you'll see that a 10%

1101
01:31:41,140 --> 01:31:44,160
we would have to manage those projects on their behalf.

1102
01:31:44,260 --> 01:31:46,260
So we'd have to have an agreement with them.

1103
01:31:46,260 --> 01:31:52,020
staff time would have to manage all of the reporting and everything that is required for that

1104
01:31:52,020 --> 01:31:57,460
for the subrecipient. Thus, we would have to have an agreement with them about that.

1105
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:04,980
So, here's kind of a culmination of all of that where you can see the dollar amounts

1106
01:32:05,620 --> 01:32:13,340
in those different buckets. I, again, with the updated generator cost at 1.2. Also,

1107
01:32:13,340 --> 01:32:19,640
the possibility of signage and the generators going into the left-handed column bucket, which is

1108
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:26,240
the infrastructure, openness, it up for mitigation. Mitigation again is the smallest bucket,

1109
01:32:27,180 --> 01:32:32,060
and then at the very bottom, you can see the buckets of the secondary subrecipients in their

1110
01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:34,280
request for those particular projects.

1111
01:32:37,470 --> 01:32:41,390
So what we're asking today is direction on those identified

1112
01:32:41,390 --> 01:32:47,150
projects if there's something that you would like us to add. There is obviously unused.

1113
01:32:47,550 --> 01:32:54,790
There's some other projects that we want to go back. We do have a month with the technical

1114
01:32:54,790 --> 01:33:01,810
assistance folks to really drill that down. Again, we have to submit by the 27th. We could come back

1115
01:33:01,810 --> 01:33:06,930
to the board on the 10th. We do have a placeholder for that. If you'd like to see the final list

1116
01:33:06,930 --> 01:33:08,430
before we submit everything.

1117
01:33:09,130 --> 01:33:12,170
But we have a month, we want to start drilling down, finalizing.

1118
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:17,010
We want to be able to request all of the allocations

1119
01:33:17,010 --> 01:33:20,530
in both of the buckets if possible.

1120
01:33:21,490 --> 01:33:24,770
And obviously, we need to adopt a resolution today

1121
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:27,910
that would authorize the CAO for the signatory

1122
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:30,230
on any of those grant-related documents.

1123
01:33:31,090 --> 01:33:32,190
Happy to answer any questions.

1124
01:33:32,270 --> 01:33:35,690
And I said, we also have both Grovelyn and TPRG here

1125
01:33:35,690 --> 01:33:37,430
answer any questions about their projects.

1126
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:38,770
All right.

1127
01:33:40,270 --> 01:33:41,590
I'll let you guys see me by their home.

1128
01:33:41,790 --> 01:33:42,410
Lead off.

1129
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,820
So we got about just called sci-fi million left.

1130
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:51,640
Basically, can we do more roadside brushing,

1131
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,440
Culver clearing and repair,

1132
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,280
since I would imagine we have a lot of Culver

1133
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,620
that are just need repair everywhere.

1134
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,480
Absolutely.

1135
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,380
I propose putting in between 500,000 and a million

1136
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:04,860
just for county road culverts.

1137
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:07,520
Could we spend all of it on fixing the roads?

1138
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,500
I mean, we drive on a road, right?

1139
01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:11,780
I mean, that's a drop in the bucket for...

1140
01:34:11,780 --> 01:34:13,620
500,000 to 1 million just for culverts?

1141
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,300
Yeah, we could spend that.

1142
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,540
Okay, and maybe ditching along to get the water flow to the culverts?

1143
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:19,020
Yes.

1144
01:34:20,140 --> 01:34:20,360
Okay.

1145
01:34:21,020 --> 01:34:22,400
I mean, I like to see this put as much of that.

1146
01:34:22,740 --> 01:34:25,820
I like the list, but everything else if we got extra stuff.

1147
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,500
Put it towards the roads and doing some improvements.

1148
01:34:30,110 --> 01:34:30,290
All right.

1149
01:34:30,510 --> 01:34:31,370
Thank you.

1150
01:34:31,570 --> 01:34:32,670
Do you rather gamble?

1151
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:33,490
Nothing.

1152
01:34:33,930 --> 01:34:38,690
My question is, this is kind of off topic, but it's regarding chords and roads.

1153
01:34:38,690 --> 01:34:43,370
Awesome. I know you're coming up with a plan into the future something like the Idaho's doing every seven years

1154
01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:48,650
So I definitely want to dump money in the culverts roadside brushing things we've been doing, but

1155
01:34:48,650 --> 01:34:55,410
But I also want to I also want to plan that's gonna continually to you know monitor those to continue to clean so is there

1156
01:34:56,090 --> 01:34:59,910
I just want to make sure if we dump five million into culverts will they be cleaned out

1157
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,680
Some of our conversations that we want to get our rotation with all of this stuff.

1158
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:09,920
We do, we have an informal plan already. The guys spend quite a bit of time in the fall, clearing

1159
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:15,920
culverts and doing roadside ditching. The strategic plan that you're speaking of will kind of formalize

1160
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:23,460
how we prioritize that. And then the addition of a couple of road workers, if we can get the funding for those that

1161
01:35:23,460 --> 01:35:25,520
were added, will help tremendously.

1162
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:31,200
And obviously we can't use because I know we potentially lose two and a few months that correct the roadside workers

1163
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:38,620
I know there's funding needed for those two can this be used for that it's mitigation. I don't know

1164
01:35:38,620 --> 01:35:43,540
Make an ask. Yeah. Okay, because I would like to dump potentially money into

1165
01:35:44,860 --> 01:35:50,200
preventive maintenance and if we need to maybe double act of four road crew workers with this money and

1166
01:35:50,740 --> 01:35:53,160
Give some serious work done and then with that plan coming up

1167
01:35:53,860 --> 01:35:58,720
Yeah, we knew what we say. We're prioritizing these three things. So fire roads, long for us.

1168
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:04,220
Yeah, I don't think, I know that we had talked about very recently, last Thursday, for example,

1169
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:08,500
and I've said this at a few town halls, that I think the county needs to

1170
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,580
designate and this kind of goes to Supervisor Kirk's question point.

1171
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,760
Is that designate every road within our county and give it a designation.

1172
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,280
Primary road is a number one, primary, you know, a secondary road.

1173
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:49,260
Um, like, homeowner association in Wales Springs, Robin Grovelin is in number two and then a dirt road on the middle of nowhere as a number three and I think that's how we need to come up with that plan on how we're going to start addressing those roads because we can do all the rushing we can do all of that, but if it's we want to work on the roads that are going to be primary for, you know, commerce, primary for things like that now with that being said, I would like to see at some point either towards ferrying and or preschool to railroad come up on this list.

1174
01:36:50,200 --> 01:37:03,100
I know Prince Ward's ferry is a primary evacuation route, so I don't know if that was, I know we can't do it this year, and so maybe we could just do that on our radar for a future year, on that was damaged when in 19, 2018.

1175
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:04,420
2023.

1176
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:05,720
Okay.

1177
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,460
And we're actually waiting for FEMA final approval on those projects.

1178
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,100
So those should be funded through FEMA.

1179
01:37:15,660 --> 01:37:16,160
Right.

1180
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,040
into those things, to clean in the culverts and things like that, working with our partners,

1181
01:37:20,300 --> 01:37:24,120
like the Sheriff's Department, I think, is a great way to go, but if our primary evacuation

1182
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,160
routes are not usable, then we've got a bigger, bigger problem.

1183
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,020
So, okay, let's do a little more question.

1184
01:37:31,460 --> 01:37:34,820
Sure, I just want to clarify, so if I'm looking at this right, like you said, 4.9 million

1185
01:37:34,820 --> 01:37:39,640
left, all those other projects, which are listed here would be included if we approve it.

1186
01:37:40,260 --> 01:37:45,780
A question I do have, station 56, do we know what the cost would be, because that would

1187
01:37:45,780 --> 01:37:51,940
mitigating things. Do we know at the cost of being to turn that into retrofitted to where folks

1188
01:37:51,940 --> 01:37:57,100
could potentially sleep there with the hope that in the future it would become a full-time

1189
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:57,640
station?

1190
01:37:59,990 --> 01:38:06,770
I don't know. I don't know and I don't know if that would be eligible. There is a restriction

1191
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:15,370
on improvements to physical buildings and so and that actually came up in a call we have with

1192
01:38:15,370 --> 01:38:17,510
yesterday, but I will, I will.

1193
01:38:17,530 --> 01:38:18,330
We just have a side of it.

1194
01:38:18,610 --> 01:38:18,890
Yep.

1195
01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:19,810
Well, that's that.

1196
01:38:20,350 --> 01:38:25,970
Because I, I had actually looked into this for that fire station, and that was a response.

1197
01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:31,430
I got, I think there probably are ways that some of the money could be leveraged in a way to support

1198
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:31,930
that.

1199
01:38:32,170 --> 01:38:40,150
There are actually other sources of funding that would be happening to about improving existing

1200
01:38:40,150 --> 01:38:45,370
firehouses. And a lot of that depends on the firehouse being open in order to do that.

1201
01:38:47,090 --> 01:38:54,810
So kind of such brought it up, Dory could these funds be used to pay for staffing at a firehouse,

1202
01:38:55,070 --> 01:39:04,770
or pay for maintaining an engine to keep the doors open. I do not believe so, but again,

1203
01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:12,210
And the mitigation is specific to planning and preventative, but I can ask that question.

1204
01:39:13,050 --> 01:39:22,110
We didn't look at any of these projects to have actual, just only staff cost.

1205
01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:27,650
It was actually something that you could touch and feel and see and change, but we'll double

1206
01:39:27,650 --> 01:39:29,710
check and ask that question, same with the building.

1207
01:39:29,870 --> 01:39:33,730
I'm pretty sure on the building that we're not allowed to spend the money on improvements to

1208
01:39:33,730 --> 01:39:39,590
only owned buildings itself, we can do the infrastructure but not the physical building.

1209
01:39:40,510 --> 01:39:43,790
I just wanted to clarify some of my said, because I said, can we use the money for road

1210
01:39:43,790 --> 01:39:45,370
workers scratch that?

1211
01:39:45,370 --> 01:39:48,710
I'd rather use the TOT funding that we're allocating.

1212
01:39:49,630 --> 01:39:50,350
The 2.7 million.

1213
01:39:50,490 --> 01:39:52,570
I'd rather have something in particular kind of back to our book.

1214
01:40:00,780 --> 01:40:06,060
Projects, and then we'll use the TOT funding to fund those two or four positions. So that would be

1215
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:09,800
my recommendation kind of a same thing along with fire. If we could use it for the building, great.

1216
01:40:09,940 --> 01:40:14,740
Let's ask that, but I wouldn't use it for ongoing cost issues staff. That needs to come from somewhere else.

1217
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:15,700
That would be my recommendation.

1218
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:16,680
Supervisor Hong.

1219
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,180
All right, one more. I know I thought it was good to list, but then I forgot about the continuity of government plan.

1220
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:25,500
Do we need to spend $120,000 to say, bubble wrap, Roger, and put him in a field?

1221
01:40:25,820 --> 01:40:26,180
No.

1222
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:27,580
No, you don't.

1223
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:34,440
But it came up on previous ones that is something we do not physically have now as a government.

1224
01:40:35,980 --> 01:40:39,520
And so at some point, you know, we need to have that. And is it 125,000?

1225
01:40:39,820 --> 01:40:45,560
No. So that is probably one that would easily go away to help fund another project if there's no money in there.

1226
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:46,400
If that's your direction.

1227
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,500
Anything besides a study to say,

1228
01:40:48,500 --> 01:40:49,080
Yep.

1229
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:52,340
Administrators need to survive a natural disaster for some reason.

1230
01:40:54,460 --> 01:40:55,420
We can talk about that later.

1231
01:40:57,060 --> 01:40:59,740
Okay, and we'll go ahead and open it up to the community.

1232
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,500
Anybody wish to speak on this matter?

1233
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:03,720
You have three minutes?

1234
01:41:05,420 --> 01:41:07,220
Making the long walk, Mr. Campa?

1235
01:41:12,940 --> 01:41:17,560
I wish I had a big campa, General Manager of Grovelin Community Services District.

1236
01:41:18,420 --> 01:41:21,260
I really appreciate the board consideration of this item.

1237
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:28,920
As you know, we provide the water and wastewater services among other services in Grovelin

1238
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:35,140
and bigger flat, and we had some significant impacts from these storms as we have in

1239
01:41:35,140 --> 01:41:41,780
prior storms and we've been very successful at accessing FEMA funds to do infrastructure repair

1240
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:50,060
replacement. In this case, we do have some FEMA funding that we're using for infrastructure

1241
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:54,040
replacement. In most of these locations, there's loads of large local

1242
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,340
which comes directly at a rate payer dollars,

1243
01:41:56,380 --> 01:42:00,160
this would help to offset that in addition,

1244
01:42:00,580 --> 01:42:02,700
there are other projects that are contained within

1245
01:42:02,700 --> 01:42:06,700
our application materials that are specifically funded

1246
01:42:06,700 --> 01:42:11,720
with the C to B G D R funds, and they would strengthen

1247
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,340
the infrastructures that we don't have this happen over.

1248
01:42:14,460 --> 01:42:18,700
Over, as you know, many of the projects that were built

1249
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:21,240
in the county were built very quickly,

1250
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:26,380
may not have been to a current standard, so they had to cross creaks and drain it just

1251
01:42:26,380 --> 01:42:31,480
and they buried the pipe on it aside and set rocks on top of it in the bottom of the

1252
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:37,680
creak and when you have flood situations those rocks tend to just disappear and then the

1253
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:44,180
pipes hang in there. Those types of things happen a lot. We've got some covert issues on

1254
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:56,340
or on a road that is appears to be privately owned and it's got infrastructure hanging in the air

1255
01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:03,440
right behind downtown Grovin across the major problems with that. So we're making a number

1256
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:08,900
of improvements with this money we've done quite a few improvements over the last about 30 million

1257
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:14,920
last five years and I'm going to continue that progress and really appreciate the county's

1258
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:18,520
inclusion of our application in the JDBG.

1259
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:21,480
Thank you, sir.

1260
01:43:31,570 --> 01:43:36,470
I really, I learned a lot coming to these meetings that I really do. So I don't know if what I

1261
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:42,690
prepared is even appropriate and but you did sort of open the gate there with the mitigation

1262
01:43:42,690 --> 01:43:44,690
and the fire services.

1263
01:43:46,190 --> 01:43:52,490
So I sent an email yesterday and it was about what I call my dog in the fight, which is

1264
01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:58,990
the Columbia Station at Pearl House, which the county's already spent $300,000 on to prepare

1265
01:43:58,990 --> 01:44:02,470
for block grant approval, you know, and submission.

1266
01:44:03,130 --> 01:44:09,650
So I have a lot of questions and I know this isn't for you to answer during my three minutes.

1267
01:44:09,690 --> 01:44:10,930
I know we've got to move it along.

1268
01:44:10,930 --> 01:44:20,110
But there are a couple meetings, there's a two county public meetings, February 4th and 5th, about block grants.

1269
01:44:21,330 --> 01:44:32,670
So I guess my major question is, is this the block grant application, or are there going to be more for this year coming up on getting the audits completed?

1270
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:36,710
I mean, that's my big question is to where we are.

1271
01:44:36,710 --> 01:44:42,850
And that's what I'm trying to figure out, so, and anybody answer that or no.

1272
01:44:43,670 --> 01:44:47,950
I would recommend that perhaps afterwards, once this kind of, they're going to be able to

1273
01:44:47,950 --> 01:44:48,910
tell you exactly the timeline.

1274
01:44:49,450 --> 01:44:52,250
And without stepping out of line, I believe we have until the end of February.

1275
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,800
I appreciate that. It's I do understand that this is first storm damage and mitigation, but when you open the door with fire stations, which of course I feel is very important, you know, that's why I want to come speak to that. So I appreciate it. Thank you.

1276
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:16,580
Thank you.

1277
01:45:18,430 --> 01:45:30,730
Chair, if I can just add a little bit, we do have meetings coming up related to the other funding that's not related to this DR funding. So that's where we would talk about those kind of projects.

1278
01:45:32,490 --> 01:45:33,610
Thank you.

1279
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:34,130
Morning.

1280
01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:35,250
Good morning.

1281
01:45:35,470 --> 01:45:35,910
Hello, Board.

1282
01:45:36,030 --> 01:45:37,290
Nathan Gorham, assistant chief,

1283
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:38,490
Tualme County Fire.

1284
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:41,350
And speaking to the staff recommended

1285
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:42,150
Projects.

1286
01:45:42,230 --> 01:45:44,550
I strongly support funding a permanent generator

1287
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:47,670
at Tualme County Fire Station 56 in

1288
01:45:47,670 --> 01:45:48,250
James Town.

1289
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:50,750
As you know, the station must remain fully

1290
01:45:50,750 --> 01:45:53,630
operational as it will protect lives,

1291
01:45:53,950 --> 01:45:55,350
property and critical infrastructure.

1292
01:45:55,630 --> 01:45:57,810
And I am in full support of that recommendation.

1293
01:45:58,690 --> 01:46:00,490
Thank you to staff for being cognizant

1294
01:46:00,490 --> 01:46:06,470
the needs of County Fire. Thank you. Anyone else?

1295
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:20,660
Good morning.

1296
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:25,200
Quincy Ealy and I'm here

1297
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:31,120
representing the Tall Me Park and Rep District. I wanted to thank the OES staff for

1298
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:36,320
meeting with us and for taking the time to tour the site with me. This coordination of

1299
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:41,580
was really valuable and making sure this application was strong and supporting this project

1300
01:46:41,580 --> 01:46:44,260
will be money will spent on your behalf.

1301
01:46:44,740 --> 01:46:46,940
So the district is the applicant in this funding,

1302
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,000
but the projects intentionally structured

1303
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,220
to be a collaborative basin scale effort.

1304
01:46:52,700 --> 01:46:55,820
The district on this site receives stormwater

1305
01:46:55,820 --> 01:46:57,660
from much of the surrounding community.

1306
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,300
And this basin is directly adjacent to county facilities,

1307
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,680
including your buildings and an expensive parking lot.

1308
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,440
Effective, this basin design and improvement

1309
01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:10,200
can't occur without coordination.

1310
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:15,600
and that will be a big component of this project and all the partners that contribute run-off

1311
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:21,820
to this project site. We're looking to prepare a stormwater flood mitigation plan to address

1312
01:47:21,820 --> 01:47:27,740
longstanding and recurring flooding on district facilities. And these issues have been driven

1313
01:47:27,740 --> 01:47:34,940
by overtime sedimentation, limited stormwater conveyance capacity, and uncoordinated upstream run-off

1314
01:47:34,940 --> 01:47:37,200
that impacts the district's facilities.

1315
01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:42,820
The core of the project is a planning level drainage and watershed study,

1316
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:46,900
which will identify deficiencies that contribute to flood risk

1317
01:47:46,900 --> 01:47:49,700
and develop conceptual mitigation strategies,

1318
01:47:50,380 --> 01:47:53,140
such as storm water retention, flow control,

1319
01:47:53,780 --> 01:47:56,160
and nature-based means that reduce erosion

1320
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:58,120
and manage runoff more effectively.

1321
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,240
We will be doing the required environmental review

1322
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,960
so that we can do future implementation.

1323
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:11,220
This request is for mitigation planning and in the event that we can find additional funding.

1324
01:48:11,700 --> 01:48:13,580
We'd like to move on to implementation.

1325
01:48:14,220 --> 01:48:19,880
But once the project is implemented, the ongoing maintenance will be the district's responsibility.

1326
01:48:20,940 --> 01:48:25,040
And we're hoping to establish a framework and get the permitting to allow that to happen.

1327
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:31,920
In short, this project moves the community from reacting to flood events towards managing flood risk deliberately.

1328
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:36,000
and collaboratively, and not the appropriate base in scale.

1329
01:48:36,740 --> 01:48:39,800
Thank you for having us, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

1330
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:40,960
Thank you.

1331
01:48:45,050 --> 01:48:45,870
Okay, same.

1332
01:48:46,370 --> 01:48:46,510
None.

1333
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:48,190
Go ahead and bring it back to the board.

1334
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:51,560
You want to lead off?

1335
01:48:54,620 --> 01:48:55,240
You guys are gamble?

1336
01:48:56,260 --> 01:48:56,540
Yeah.

1337
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,500
I'm supportive of all these.

1338
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,000
When we're talking about roads,

1339
01:49:01,340 --> 01:49:05,700
there's one that we had been talking about in the last budget cycle,

1340
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:08,300
which was Big Hill Road,

1341
01:49:08,300 --> 01:49:20,280
Which didn't make it onto this. What was the was that considered or was that because I brought that up a number of times and I was kind of thinking it would be included on here.

1342
01:49:20,980 --> 01:49:30,740
Because of, you know, not only the evacuation elements but the kind of revitalization of the community up there was that room considered it all.

1343
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:35,180
We're still working with the technical committee to see if that would be an eligible project.

1344
01:49:35,180 --> 01:49:38,900
Okay, when do you think you might find out?

1345
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,840
Uh, we'll be meeting with, um, kind of,

1346
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:43,460
every week.

1347
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:46,100
And weekly, yes, through Monday.

1348
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:47,060
Yeah.

1349
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:47,520
Okay.

1350
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:52,780
Um, so that would be my request is that that'd be included as a potential project.

1351
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:25,820
We talked in the past, you know, I have talked several times. I don't remember which conversations were public here at board meetings or just between you and me coming up with ideas, but we talked about dividing into three sections. Obviously there's that top section as well. The middle section is the worst, but the top section is the worst with the largest number of people that live and use that road for day to day travel and evacuation.

1352
01:50:25,820 --> 01:50:32,740
So, if there's a way we could break it up that way to reduce the cost or at least get some relief to the people that live up there,

1353
01:50:33,260 --> 01:50:34,820
I'd be open to looking at that.

1354
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:49,760
Because obviously, it is, you know, just like Tom, your road north, it is a very large, long road that connects to one into one community to another.

1355
01:50:50,740 --> 01:50:53,760
And so those are the most difficult ones to repair

1356
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:56,640
are the large long ones that are kind of out there.

1357
01:50:57,900 --> 01:51:00,320
So that would be, that'd be the one thing that's not on here

1358
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:01,400
that I'd like to see.

1359
01:51:01,580 --> 01:51:01,760
Okay.

1360
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:05,300
Two guys are current.

1361
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:09,440
I don't think, I don't think, he's got anything.

1362
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:11,000
Oh, sorry.

1363
01:51:11,300 --> 01:51:12,760
Yeah, it's a lot of the day has nothing to do.

1364
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,960
I just want some clarity as far as we were talking.

1365
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,700
So yes, all the projects and Quincy,

1366
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:18,380
thank you for being here.

1367
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,340
Just so you guys know, it sounds like it's gonna move forward,

1368
01:51:20,340 --> 01:51:23,300
but that project in 12 major parks and rocks area,

1369
01:51:24,380 --> 01:51:27,480
I jumped on board with it simply because the CRC

1370
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:30,140
in the library, all those are potentially,

1371
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:32,860
they've flooded before they're at risk for flooding,

1372
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:35,360
so it's a win-win both for our buildings

1373
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:37,700
and also for potential development for the park.

1374
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:39,560
So thank you guys for hearing her out on that.

1375
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,060
My only question is I just wanna be clear

1376
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:44,780
with the 4.9 million left.

1377
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,260
My motion or my recommendation would be

1378
01:51:48,260 --> 01:51:55,440
Um, to dump that money towards, um, doing, uh, roadside brushing,

1379
01:51:55,780 --> 01:52:00,380
culver, all the preventative maintenance, but I really, I don't know if you can make it in

1380
01:52:00,380 --> 01:52:05,300
tandem, blossom with your plan coming up. I like to see how it's going to work into your plan.

1381
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:11,320
Um, the two or four road crew workers, I want that to come out at TOT, so that would not be included in this.

1382
01:52:11,700 --> 01:52:17,100
But then, um, before you expend all that money or that 4.9 million on a plan for, for

1383
01:52:17,100 --> 01:52:21,640
and maintenance. I would like to know if we could put any of that towards the station there

1384
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:28,480
that we decided to close in in Jill in July. That would be my only hold-up is can we get a

1385
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:34,620
report back on that. So what do we do this? Why don't we let's do any other board discussion? Why don't

1386
01:52:34,620 --> 01:52:41,360
we tentatively take a vote to or make a motion to accept as presented and then perhaps in the

1387
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:45,800
February meeting you can bring back a real quick hey we can do big hill we can't do big hill

1388
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:49,960
and if we need to alter on the fly right then, but I don't, not a full presentation, it's like,

1389
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:54,140
yes, supervisor Holland, we're our supervisor, Kirk, we can do the fire stations,

1390
01:52:54,380 --> 01:52:58,480
supervisor Campbell, we can do a big hill and we can adjust that. Does that feel good for you guys?

1391
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:00,580
Right, so we want to make a motion.

1392
01:53:02,950 --> 01:53:04,730
Are we just getting direction or are we actually making motions?

1393
01:53:06,430 --> 01:53:09,690
So February is when we find out with the rest of the money 4.9, did I miss that?

1394
01:53:10,110 --> 01:53:13,430
Okay. All right. Thank you for the clarification. So the direction is move forward. We'll see you on

1395
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:20,070
everybody answer the questions please regarding big hill in the fire station and then we will

1396
01:53:20,070 --> 01:53:26,730
do the final check-off. Right and the reason that we have remaining money that's not obligated

1397
01:53:26,730 --> 01:53:31,170
is that we're still having public meetings and so we don't want to obligate all that money

1398
01:53:31,170 --> 01:53:35,290
have an idea come from the public that we really like and then we can't because right it's

1399
01:53:35,290 --> 01:53:40,310
my green right. Yeah and chair if I was suggest for the public if they reach out to you just

1400
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:42,810
of those projects and we'll vet them out.

1401
01:53:43,290 --> 01:53:46,410
We do have set aside for February 10th.

1402
01:53:46,430 --> 01:53:48,430
That's the meeting that we'll bring this forward,

1403
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:49,690
and we won't bring a whole presentation.

1404
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:52,830
We'll just bring one slide that says these are the projects,

1405
01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:55,150
and this is what we found out, and this is the choices

1406
01:53:55,150 --> 01:53:57,050
that you will have, then, if that works.

1407
01:53:59,210 --> 01:54:00,090
All right, I appreciate.

1408
01:54:00,850 --> 01:54:02,270
Can we do the resolution now,

1409
01:54:02,270 --> 01:54:04,670
or do you want me to push the resolution to?

1410
01:54:04,690 --> 01:54:06,990
The resolution is just the authorizing.

1411
01:54:08,150 --> 01:54:09,470
I'll make a motion we approve the resolution.

1412
01:54:11,290 --> 01:54:12,090
You're second?

1413
01:54:12,150 --> 01:54:12,550
Second.

1414
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:15,080
Discussion?

1415
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:15,880
Seeing none?

1416
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:16,720
All in favor say aye.

1417
01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:20,020
Thank you.

1418
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:21,540
So four zero zero.

1419
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:23,140
All right, thank you.

1420
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:24,120
Thank you.

1421
01:54:24,300 --> 01:54:24,520
Okay.

1422
01:54:24,860 --> 01:54:29,440
So we're going to take a 10 minute break for our next item, which will be item number 15.

1423
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:30,420
Because I like baseball.

1424
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:31,320
I'm going to give you the lineup.

1425
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:33,480
So item number 15 is next.

1426
01:54:33,980 --> 01:54:36,260
And then 12 13 14 16 and 17.

1427
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:40,070
All right.

1428
01:54:40,110 --> 01:54:42,250
I'll make me break out the gavel, which I don't have one.

1429
01:54:42,250 --> 01:54:43,210
I'll go bring my own.

1430
01:54:43,210 --> 01:54:43,650
But,

1431
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:46,940
I never got a go.

1432
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:48,580
Previous.

1433
01:54:49,420 --> 01:54:50,040
Ha-ha-ha.

1434
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:51,380
I have the power.

1435
01:54:52,180 --> 01:54:53,260
Ha-ha-ha.

1436
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:54,460
Azaz they say.

1437
01:55:03,660 --> 01:55:11,640
All right. All right. Well, I appreciate everybody. All right. Let's get rolling. All right.

1438
01:55:11,700 --> 01:55:13,140
Item court. Number 15, please.

1439
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:30,540
Item number 15. Consideration of approving the recommendation from homelessness from the homelessness committee to approve a 30 day extension of the deadline for the removal of the RVs and trailers from camp justice to allow additional time to further explore the feasibility of a program similar to the pathway.

1440
01:55:30,540 --> 01:55:36,620
home RV slash trailer program and staff's recommendation of the installation of Palace at Camp Justice

1441
01:55:36,620 --> 01:55:42,760
to designate individual tent sites and support improved site organization, safety, and weather mitigation.

1442
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:48,280
All right. Get away. Chairman Griefer, members of the board. Good morning, Michelle Clark,

1443
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:52,820
with Health and Human Services Agency. Today, however, I'm here on behalf of the Board's

1444
01:55:52,820 --> 01:55:58,560
Homelessness Committee as a designated staff support person supporting this committee.

1445
01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:06,280
So Michael right now is just to give the board some really brief, some background information

1446
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:11,540
clarifying information on each of these recommendations hoping to get through each of

1447
01:56:11,540 --> 01:56:17,200
them if that works for the board, and then field questions as I believe there's some public

1448
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:24,380
comment that I, a lot of public comment that I anticipate, stuff that works, I can go ahead

1449
01:56:24,380 --> 01:56:27,180
and get started on each of these recommendations.

1450
01:56:27,180 --> 01:56:34,500
How would you like to take them? Because there's two distinct issues here. There's the RVs and then their pallets and I would like to I would like to separate them out

1451
01:56:34,500 --> 01:56:38,320
But because I think the one might be a lot quicker than the second

1452
01:56:39,780 --> 01:56:40,220
So

1453
01:56:40,740 --> 01:56:46,120
So you which one do you want to start with start with the RVs, okay, so on January 8

1454
01:56:46,860 --> 01:56:53,380
The committee met and there was further discussion regarding solutions for relocating the RVs and trailers

1455
01:56:53,380 --> 01:57:00,840
Obviously, with the looming deadline of January 31st, as previously directed by the board.

1456
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:07,500
So, research into alternative sites within the community that could accept these RVs and trailers did not

1457
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:11,500
prove any identify any viable options.

1458
01:57:12,580 --> 01:57:20,380
However, in reviewing some practices and other counties, including Sonoma, Santa Clara, San Diego, and Alameda,

1459
01:57:20,380 --> 01:57:25,160
It was found that health and human services agencies partner with community-based organizations

1460
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:32,420
to operate dedicated RV trailer programs often referred to as this pathway home program.

1461
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:39,840
During that discussion, three potential local sites were identified, two through possible CBOs community-based organizations,

1462
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:43,720
and partnerships and one private property owner.

1463
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,060
So the CBOs would include resiliency village

1464
01:57:47,060 --> 01:57:48,140
and refuge recovery.

1465
01:57:48,740 --> 01:57:51,960
Based on that, and concerns about residents being required

1466
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:55,220
to move into 10th during the winter, the committee unanimously

1467
01:57:55,220 --> 01:58:00,280
voted to recommend to the board the 30 day extension

1468
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,880
to allow additional time to evaluate this concept,

1469
01:58:04,400 --> 01:58:06,600
including reviewing zoning and permitting requirements

1470
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,360
and identifying funny opportunities.

1471
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:14,020
Since the January 8th meeting, we have completed some research and determined to all

1472
01:58:14,020 --> 01:58:20,380
me county zoning code, specifically chapter 17.70, is limiting.

1473
01:58:21,100 --> 01:58:27,970
RVN trailers cannot be used as human shelter for longer than 30 days within a calendar year,

1474
01:58:28,940 --> 01:58:32,300
unless they are within an approved RV park or mobile home park.

1475
01:58:33,620 --> 01:58:37,600
So further research with still be needed on the zoning applicable to each entity

1476
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:42,380
whether they're zoning will allow for RVs or mobile home parks, a review of the resilience

1477
01:58:42,380 --> 01:58:47,340
village zoning indicates that RV parks and campgrounds and mobile home parks would not be

1478
01:58:47,340 --> 01:58:54,480
allowable uses. Additionally further research is needed to identify available funding to support

1479
01:58:54,480 --> 01:59:01,400
a CBO and operating such a program, current funding that we have would not be extended would be

1480
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:06,500
able to be extended to additional programs, obviously what we have is limited and needs to support

1481
01:59:06,500 --> 01:59:10,760
kind of the programs that we have going on already.

1482
01:59:11,300 --> 01:59:13,020
So at this time, there are 12 RVs trailers

1483
01:59:13,020 --> 01:59:15,720
or cargo trailers at Camp Justice

1484
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:19,680
and steps have been taken to notify them

1485
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:21,620
of the January 31 deadline.

1486
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,200
And discussions have been held with them

1487
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:26,920
for what their plans are moving forward.

1488
01:59:27,420 --> 01:59:29,800
What we know as of today is that three occupants have stated

1489
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,660
they will abandon them allowing the county

1490
01:59:32,660 --> 01:59:34,040
to dispose of them.

1491
01:59:34,040 --> 01:59:49,940
Two occupants have identified sites, but need additional 30 days to kind of execute those plans and then approximately three occupants indicate they will relocate to locations such as Walmart parking lot or similar sites.

1492
01:59:51,100 --> 01:59:59,980
So based on the information we have and the lack of viable alternatives, we would have approximately seven remaining at the site and again.

1493
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,760
The expectation would be that they would be impounded and destroyed. The cost for that is estimate estimated

1494
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:13,620
at $2,800 to $3,000 per unit. That would include the towing and demolition, so total costs

1495
02:00:13,620 --> 02:00:20,400
of approximately $21,000. As you are aware, Kimb Justice is currently supported by a camp at Resolution

1496
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:28,100
Grant funding. As of November, there was $35,400 remaining, and that is to cover the water

1497
02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:34,440
facilities, probation crews, and toilets, so kind of equating to approximately four months

1498
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:39,780
of operations, unless we are able to find other funding. We are exploring the use of

1499
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:45,120
possibly using opioid settlement funds, but still kind of continuing to review how that would work.

1500
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:53,520
So that is kind of what I have for the recommendations on the 30-day extension.

1501
02:00:54,860 --> 02:00:58,760
All right, with the board's permission, I'd like to split as we have already heard the RV.

1502
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:04,620
So I'd like to do RV public comment and then when it comes time for the pallets, we'll do pallet public comment.

1503
02:01:05,100 --> 02:01:10,880
I know it's unusual that we do two opportunities here, but this way I think it keeps the conversation clean.

1504
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:14,220
The county council, is that okay? We can do that. All right.

1505
02:01:14,740 --> 02:01:18,760
Any objections for my board? Okay. All right, so I'll bring it. Thank you for that.

1506
02:01:18,780 --> 02:01:19,980
Bring it back to the board for discussion.

1507
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:31,460
All right. I got a question. You said three are going to abandon them and give the county the privilege to destroy them.

1508
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:35,660
So who's paying for all this if it's not our property to start with?

1509
02:01:36,180 --> 02:01:41,720
So my understanding and I'm going to kind of refer to Roger for this to answer.

1510
02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:44,860
So we would have to use abatement funds.

1511
02:01:45,900 --> 02:01:50,140
Currently we have about 13,000 left in ARPA funds.

1512
02:01:50,500 --> 02:01:52,580
It's allocated for vehicle abatement.

1513
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:57,060
It's the same funds we used to clean up the trailers after the fire at Camp Genesis.

1514
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:02,560
And then we would have to probably use funds from the Code of Compliance Trust fund,

1515
02:02:02,580 --> 02:02:07,280
which has about 500,000 in it to abate the remaining ones.

1516
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:10,760
So I think it's going to be back to the point of some conversations that I've occurred here for

1517
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,960
Well, almost entire year. I would say that this need to get cleaned up and got done

1518
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:17,680
And it seemed like keeps getting kicked down the road

1519
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:22,060
We finally drew a line in the sand and now we're like, you know, yeah, that's fine

1520
02:02:22,060 --> 02:02:24,640
You guys made the decision, but we don't like it. So we want to change it

1521
02:02:25,980 --> 02:02:30,220
The cost of destroying one RV almost runs that camp for a month. So now

1522
02:02:30,740 --> 02:02:36,340
The camp will lose three months of funding destroy one RV and you just told me there's three in potentially

1523
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:42,420
seven more. So I guess that's my promise. The taxpayers are now on the hook for

1524
02:02:42,420 --> 02:02:46,760
people's personal lungs that they brought there. We didn't provide these. We

1525
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:50,040
didn't buy them and move them in there and say, well, here you go. These were

1526
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:52,840
brought there and now it's now falling on the government. Do that and that was

1527
02:02:53,540 --> 02:02:56,820
the opposite of everything we talked about. What can't just the supposed to be

1528
02:02:56,820 --> 02:03:00,760
about, right? It's supposed to give you a spot to stop, to eventually hopefully

1529
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:04,620
transition to sociability or one of the other things that find

1530
02:03:04,620 --> 02:03:09,880
permit housing would not. And so I think that's, you know, the conditions of the situation

1531
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:14,400
over there is becoming to where now, you know, it's on our radar versus just running smooth.

1532
02:03:14,500 --> 02:03:17,480
And so I do have a problem with that because I don't think people should be on the hook for

1533
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:25,960
paying for this. And I just want to make one correction. I'm sorry if that was misunderstood.

1534
02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:30,300
I think it would be a total of seven, not ten. So total of seven that we would have

1535
02:03:30,300 --> 02:03:31,220
to dispose of.

1536
02:03:31,220 --> 02:03:32,340
That's so $21,000.

1537
02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:38,360
That pays for a lot of pumping of the sewage tank there and other stuff.

1538
02:03:39,200 --> 02:03:39,320
Okay.

1539
02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:41,420
Thank you.

1540
02:03:41,580 --> 02:03:42,140
Supervisor.

1541
02:03:43,060 --> 02:03:43,220
Kirk?

1542
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:44,020
Yeah.

1543
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:46,040
My question is really simple.

1544
02:03:46,380 --> 02:03:53,740
Is everybody this camp being offered the opportunity for programs in housing if they choose

1545
02:03:54,260 --> 02:03:54,780
this issue?

1546
02:03:55,980 --> 02:04:00,280
I don't know that they would all meet criteria for current housing, but yes, there's resource

1547
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:02,720
is that it's being offered to them on a regular basis.

1548
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,300
How do you get stuff out there weekly?

1549
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:06,000
They're choosing to stay there.

1550
02:04:06,300 --> 02:04:06,340
Correct.

1551
02:04:09,290 --> 02:04:09,450
Thank you.

1552
02:04:09,550 --> 02:04:10,050
Do you want to ask Campbell?

1553
02:04:11,930 --> 02:04:16,290
So I'm on the homeless committee and so this is coming as a recommendation from the

1554
02:04:16,290 --> 02:04:16,670
homeless committee.

1555
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:22,670
I did share during that meeting some of the misgivings that I think the board has about

1556
02:04:22,670 --> 02:04:24,290
that in the timeline to set.

1557
02:04:25,250 --> 02:04:32,250
I think what we're at right now is the RVs came in.

1558
02:04:32,250 --> 02:04:39,570
They probably shouldn't have, but most of the RVs that were there three, four months ago

1559
02:04:39,570 --> 02:04:40,270
are now gone.

1560
02:04:40,530 --> 02:04:44,990
So now we're left with the ones that the hard ones, the ones that are inoperable, the ones

1561
02:04:44,990 --> 02:04:52,630
where people have different situations where they can't easily get into other types of housing.

1562
02:04:53,230 --> 02:04:59,810
And so I think where the board, where the committee was coming from was buying time to find solutions

1563
02:04:59,810 --> 02:04:59,970
Thanks for watching!

1564
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,780
Which it sounds like there's at least a few that we could resolve through having additional time.

1565
02:05:07,340 --> 02:05:12,820
There's been interest from some of the non-government agencies in the county and taking some of these people on.

1566
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:17,800
There's at least one person that has a relative out of state that they're trying to get to.

1567
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:26,800
And so that was, I think, where the desire to have more time is to kind of work the problem, rather than just say, you know, this is the date we picked.

1568
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:30,560
and so everybody has to get out by that date.

1569
02:05:32,060 --> 02:05:44,740
And I understand and I think that's a worthwhile thing to do because the thing is this has been open for a year and change now.

1570
02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:48,600
And so, sort of be fair.

1571
02:05:49,060 --> 02:05:50,100
We wanted to comment questions.

1572
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:50,380
Okay.

1573
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:53,860
Yeah. You know what? You're right. I'm sorry.

1574
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:54,580
That's OK.

1575
02:05:55,500 --> 02:06:01,200
So the question was, oh, are there any new trailers coming in?

1576
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:02,560
I am not a witness now.

1577
02:06:02,660 --> 02:06:03,700
I think it's been 12 for us.

1578
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:06,960
So we figured out how to stop that flow of the trailers coming in.

1579
02:06:07,240 --> 02:06:09,680
OK, how many of the trailers are mobile,

1580
02:06:09,820 --> 02:06:14,140
like the ones that have either that are RVs that have a working

1581
02:06:14,140 --> 02:06:17,900
engine and wheels that will carry it out under its own power,

1582
02:06:18,140 --> 02:06:21,980
or it's a fifth wheel trailer that also has wheels that all they need

1583
02:06:21,980 --> 02:06:26,700
uh uh something to hook it up and haul it out. How many trailers are in that situation?

1584
02:06:26,820 --> 02:06:31,000
I might actually have to have William answer that. I don't know how specific number.

1585
02:06:33,220 --> 02:06:41,220
Well I would just say um there's two RVs that run and there are two cargo trailers that

1586
02:06:41,220 --> 02:06:46,120
people have the ability to tow off sight themselves. Other than that there are

1587
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:53,620
are, say, 1, 2, 3, 4 fifth wheels that are toable. It doesn't mean they're street legal,

1588
02:06:53,880 --> 02:07:00,640
but the people that own them do not have the ability to own a vehicle with a fifth wheel.

1589
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:01,020
Okay.

1590
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:06,880
Our is one additional trailer. It's just a standard pull behind with some also does not.

1591
02:07:07,620 --> 02:07:08,140
Okay.

1592
02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:16,680
So if they were able to get a friend or somebody was able to fund them moving the trailer,

1593
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:23,780
They would be able to do that and I understand the not street legal part so the sheriff can cover his ears and let

1594
02:07:23,780 --> 02:07:29,540
Let's assume that they're able to to risk it in the middle of the night and they're able to get from 0.8 a point of view without

1595
02:07:29,540 --> 02:07:32,760
exploding and not getting pulled over

1596
02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:37,180
How many trailers are in that sufficient versus how many are

1597
02:07:37,980 --> 02:07:43,960
stuck there where they have severe mechanical problems. They have you know tires that are flat. They are not movable

1598
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:46,560
What's the ratio of operational versus non-operational?

1599
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:49,520
I mean, I would say one to lose interpretation of operational.

1600
02:07:49,900 --> 02:07:52,540
One to three trailers are probably not safe to be on the roof.

1601
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:53,340
Okay. They could have.

1602
02:07:53,340 --> 02:07:57,120
The legal issue could be easily averted with a one day moving permit.

1603
02:07:57,200 --> 02:08:01,180
I think the issue is more where are they going to end up.

1604
02:08:01,780 --> 02:08:04,520
I understand the $3,000 to destroy them.

1605
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:06,620
It's part of all hitting us out once.

1606
02:08:07,220 --> 02:08:13,540
But this is a culmination of trailers that would have been done kind of one at a time throughout the process.

1607
02:08:13,540 --> 02:08:16,980
as the sheriff has gotten from standard park,

1608
02:08:17,340 --> 02:08:19,580
or the idea has gotten from the Walmart parking lot,

1609
02:08:19,620 --> 02:08:22,860
or they were in little Sweden or in Cedar Ridge,

1610
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:24,460
and they've been kind of gathered up.

1611
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:28,180
And instead of being, they can care of one of the time,

1612
02:08:28,300 --> 02:08:29,700
we moved them all here.

1613
02:08:29,900 --> 02:08:32,860
And now we've determined they're not an appropriate fit for there.

1614
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:35,720
So it is harsh that we're paying for it.

1615
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:37,380
We did discuss with the sheriff's office.

1616
02:08:37,620 --> 02:08:41,560
Is there a mechanism to charge the legal owner of the trailer?

1617
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:46,360
say, hey, this is your property you're on the hook for the disposal fees, but that's not

1618
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:52,180
something that would be appropriate in this case. I think this is a tough one time thing,

1619
02:08:52,340 --> 02:08:56,000
but it's important to remember it is a one time thing. No trailers have been in for several

1620
02:08:56,000 --> 02:09:03,580
months. Okay. All right. Well, that's good. So, it sounds like we're left for about four

1621
02:09:03,580 --> 02:09:10,720
that there's no other option than to destroy them or let them stay. I think approximately

1622
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:17,100
Yeah. Three one to three one to three. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1623
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:22,720
Three have said that they want to give them up and what the county do.

1624
02:09:24,980 --> 02:09:28,740
Well, that's. What a gift. Yeah, I don't quite agree with with that.

1625
02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:36,820
Thinking that. Well, I think somebody already said out of the grace of their goodness that they're going to

1626
02:09:36,820 --> 02:09:43,300
for the county to take care. That's not, to me that's not a very good gift. It's to leave a trailer

1627
02:09:43,300 --> 02:09:49,060
for the public to deal with. It reminds me a bit of illegal dumping where you're setting your

1628
02:09:49,060 --> 02:09:54,440
trash out on a public street so that the whole rest of the community has to deal with it, but okay.

1629
02:09:55,260 --> 02:09:57,980
Alright, thank you. Do you guys agree? I just want to be clear because there's

1630
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:16,040
Because if we're talking about giving people time to get off and get the trailers off, their recommendation is from Camp Justice to allow additional time to further explore the feasibility of a program similar to a pathway home RV trailer.

1631
02:10:16,040 --> 02:10:23,000
So, the recommendation is about including trailers, that's what it sounds like, which is not what

1632
02:10:23,940 --> 02:10:29,240
Meyer's scene is a board signed up for. So, the recommendation sounds different from what we're discussing.

1633
02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:36,360
So, for clarification in last year, the board gave January 31st as the deadline for all

1634
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:41,420
trailers to being removed from camp justice. Right, agreed. And to Mike's point,

1635
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:46,020
I don't know why the recommendation is this one. Well, it's coming from the

1636
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:47,720
I don't know if you say something that we don't

1637
02:10:47,720 --> 02:10:49,100
members here that can speak to that.

1638
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:51,940
So unless there's any other questions from the board,

1639
02:10:52,160 --> 02:10:52,720
let's do that.

1640
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,420
I can, you want me to explain where the recommendation came from.

1641
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:58,880
I'm not necessarily, we have members from the committee

1642
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,020
as well as the committee that can speak to it.

1643
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:03,460
So I guess my last question is,

1644
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:04,680
oh, ask for answers from the committee.

1645
02:11:05,300 --> 02:11:07,260
In three days from now, are we doing this again?

1646
02:11:08,100 --> 02:11:08,320
I do it.

1647
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:08,460
I do it.

1648
02:11:08,460 --> 02:11:08,540
I do it.

1649
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:13,840
I mean, you're on that committee,

1650
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:15,100
so I don't know what's going on.

1651
02:11:15,100 --> 02:11:23,500
But yeah, well, I mean, the committee is not the one that would be, they're just giving recommendations to the board based on what they're seeing.

1652
02:11:24,780 --> 02:11:30,040
So the view of the committee, and again, I'm speaking on behalf of folks that are already here and can speak for themselves.

1653
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:37,820
But the views that additional time would benefit finding placement for some of the RVs.

1654
02:11:37,820 --> 02:11:43,200
I'm skeptical that all of them could be placed in the 30 days, but

1655
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:47,120
there seems to be some confidence that some of them could be.

1656
02:11:47,560 --> 02:11:51,100
So their long story short, that there will come a point where

1657
02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:58,800
RVs need to be red-tacked. It's just deciding what point that is and how much time do we want to give

1658
02:11:59,200 --> 02:12:02,960
the staff and give the committee to work that problem.

1659
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:05,280
Okay.

1660
02:12:08,410 --> 02:12:10,170
So, man, I'm going to have the public please.

1661
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:15,530
All right, members of the public, you have three minutes to discuss this item or to give

1662
02:12:15,530 --> 02:12:17,170
your comments on this item.

1663
02:12:20,670 --> 02:12:22,690
All right, good morning, Lisa Silva with Master Care.

1664
02:12:23,310 --> 02:12:26,750
We partner in case manage folks that are at Camp Justice.

1665
02:12:27,210 --> 02:12:33,250
We work with William and his team and my team are boots on the ground and I participate

1666
02:12:33,250 --> 02:12:38,470
at the homelessness committee meeting and I have when State Park was initially brought

1667
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:40,830
to the Board of Supervisors a couple of years ago.

1668
02:12:40,830 --> 02:12:48,710
I just want to speak to allowing the 30 days is so pivotal because if it's just taking

1669
02:12:48,710 --> 02:12:55,650
one of these seven or one of these folks that we've been trying to case manage that our programming

1670
02:12:55,650 --> 02:13:03,110
for us, we're a county provider, which is the purpose of county is to seek their highest level of independence,

1671
02:13:03,110 --> 02:13:10,130
our population of Foskis and Tualmne County is severe mental illness, homeless, high

1672
02:13:10,130 --> 02:13:16,470
utilizers that are using the ER. It takes a lot of case management and time

1673
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:23,070
trust building and if we are so close and you're interesting us to be committee

1674
02:13:23,070 --> 02:13:28,810
members we have discussions, we come together as groups, we are colleagues, we all

1675
02:13:28,810 --> 02:13:38,610
work together, and please trust us, that this is our mission, it's our profession, we're

1676
02:13:38,610 --> 02:13:41,510
good at it, and let us be the experts in this.

1677
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:49,390
We're not asking for anything that isn't reasonable in my opinion, extension of 30 days

1678
02:13:49,390 --> 02:13:52,890
will be very pivotal to just a couple of folks.

1679
02:13:53,490 --> 02:13:58,290
We're talking about if we do destroy people's homes that they've lived in, that's going

1680
02:13:58,290 --> 02:14:05,350
come with trauma and then it's going to open up another aspect of us to deal with and we're

1681
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:11,990
dealing with it. So I'm just going to ask that if the board takes into consideration the time

1682
02:14:11,990 --> 02:14:18,210
that is spent having these discussions after hours until 7 o'clock at night, most evenings,

1683
02:14:19,430 --> 02:14:24,610
with each other, coming up with the best solution for Traumy County and this population.

1684
02:14:25,750 --> 02:14:32,150
I personally, in regional manager of six counties in this surrounding area, I live in

1685
02:14:32,150 --> 02:14:38,830
Tomi County, though, so I spend most of my time here focusing on the resources that are

1686
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:43,130
available to this community and allocating those funds appropriately.

1687
02:14:43,730 --> 02:14:46,270
So, obviously, that's 3,000, that's scary number.

1688
02:14:47,970 --> 02:14:53,310
So if we can negate that number, even by one or two, give us a chance to do that.

1689
02:14:53,850 --> 02:14:56,610
There are more people here that I'd like to speak to it.

1690
02:14:56,830 --> 02:14:57,770
One is...

1691
02:15:00,820 --> 02:15:03,260
Thank you for your time this morning in your consideration.

1692
02:15:04,440 --> 02:15:06,630
Thank you.

1693
02:15:06,810 --> 02:15:10,250
So I know no one like standing in the line, come on up. No one like standing in line, but if so,

1694
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:13,430
it's an easy way for me to gauge how many people and what kind of time management I have.

1695
02:15:13,590 --> 02:15:17,170
So if you could form a line that would be great, if you can't, that's fine as well.

1696
02:15:17,450 --> 02:15:20,290
But it just helps me. How many people are interested in speaking on this topic?

1697
02:15:20,770 --> 02:15:23,290
I've got two, three. Okay. All right.

1698
02:15:25,660 --> 02:15:26,120
Thank you.

1699
02:15:26,260 --> 02:15:30,340
Hi, I'm Niki Hathi. I formally was run in the shelter with Atka.

1700
02:15:30,340 --> 02:15:39,700
And then I've changed roles to master care as a care navigator, working with a lot of the community members that we're actually discussing today.

1701
02:15:39,980 --> 02:15:44,760
I've been part of the homelessness committee for quite some time, as well as the camp justice work group.

1702
02:15:45,620 --> 02:15:51,900
I will say it's not that the work isn't being done. It's diligently being done.

1703
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:56,700
But there is that 30 day extension that's important. A lot of the people from the trailers have gone.

1704
02:15:56,700 --> 02:16:02,720
I think Supervisor Kirk, when you're asking about them accepting going into other programs,

1705
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:07,800
I think one of the difficulties about that is, they have to be vetted, right?

1706
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:15,240
There's the vetting process to go from can't justice into soul speed, to the navigation center.

1707
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:21,060
A lot of the times that happens going from the shelter, and the shelter has been remarkably full,

1708
02:16:21,060 --> 02:16:33,540
Or there are other factors such as maybe a pet and I know some of our, especially in our older community members that are out there having a 17 year old dog is not something that they're

1709
02:16:33,540 --> 02:16:38,140
That's been a companion for the last 17 years for them and it's not something that's just going to be given up easily

1710
02:16:38,660 --> 02:16:50,760
So I think that's one of the difficulties when the question is being asked what about accepting going into the other programs is the fit is the vetting process and the vetting process has to happen because of the

1711
02:16:50,760 --> 02:17:01,200
relationship and the rapport with the neighbors that are there that it was agreed upon that that would be a stipulation to the navigation center even being ran the way it is, right?

1712
02:17:02,260 --> 02:17:09,740
So I just want to I just want to speak to that I do think that so many of the trailers and so many people have been now

1713
02:17:09,740 --> 02:17:18,420
Not just moved out of campus, but we're talking about positive outcomes that have happened with those that have gone out from the

1714
02:17:18,420 --> 02:17:35,140
trailers. And from a lot of the 10s too, it's positive outcomes that are happening. So just don't let that go and notice. I know that the number seems big right now, but the number for what it's going to take to destroy the the money number is is a lot bigger. Okay.

1715
02:17:41,890 --> 02:17:42,910
Finally, God.

1716
02:17:42,910 --> 02:17:49,850
place live. 2020, Camp Hope, Camp Justice. You guys, this is a challenge just for us to

1717
02:17:50,610 --> 02:17:59,190
the trauma, the changes, my dog, my mom, the loss of so much. And it's, and to try to figure it out

1718
02:17:59,190 --> 02:18:04,870
unless you've lived it, you have no idea. And to go out and just to story somebody's,

1719
02:18:04,910 --> 02:18:11,050
it's going to cause anger, trauma, I don't know guys, but it can't be done because I'm talking it.

1720
02:18:11,050 --> 02:18:14,890
I've got a nice place to live now too, but it's taking a long time.

1721
02:18:21,180 --> 02:18:21,700
Good morning.

1722
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:27,020
I live out of camp justice for this minute.

1723
02:18:28,220 --> 02:18:36,000
I've caught a lot of mobile parts and they're very expensive and by the time you get done

1724
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:44,100
paying everything, you have no money left on this low income, long time ago we did make a lot

1725
02:18:44,100 --> 02:18:52,400
money and the wages now are different. But anyway, I'm talking for all of the people out there

1726
02:18:52,400 --> 02:18:59,640
at the park, the mobile homes and the pitwills and trailers are a lot easier because a lot

1727
02:18:59,640 --> 02:19:06,720
of people in the camps and men in the tents. They throw the garbage out, they don't take care of things.

1728
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:10,980
I would like to see things be

1729
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:19,480
stepped up and clean and I like to, I don't want to lose my

1730
02:19:19,480 --> 02:19:27,740
motorhome, I worked hard for it, it's my place to live and they're talking about me,

1731
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:34,280
be put me in assisted living or nursing home or whatever and I said I've checked out

1732
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:41,680
a lot of places and everything's full. So they're telling me I just have the rest of

1733
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:48,920
this week and then I have to move out. What am I supposed to do? I have my dogs,

1734
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:56,940
Well, just when 17 years old, up to this 13, and you tell them me that I have to get rid of everything.

1735
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:16,400
And all of my stuff. And more and less sending my life. I've been out working in my yards. I've done the plea markets. I've done all kinds of stuff to survive. I could work in their condition because of my help.

1736
02:20:17,300 --> 02:20:28,920
But I've survived all these years. And I just turned 80 years, well, 79 years old. And I think it's just shame to make me get rid of my motorhome.

1737
02:20:28,920 --> 02:20:35,800
And also I've seen this winter with the tents, a lot of them down by the fence, they got

1738
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:36,480
washed out.

1739
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:40,500
They had to put new tents, new bedding and everything up with these people.

1740
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:42,420
And I think it's horrible.

1741
02:20:43,340 --> 02:20:47,880
And then a motorhome or travel trailer, you wouldn't have that expense.

1742
02:20:48,940 --> 02:20:56,720
Oh, anyway, I'm sticking up for me and my dogs and other people that's there in the motor

1743
02:20:56,720 --> 02:20:58,240
and travel trailers.

1744
02:21:01,070 --> 02:21:06,670
I just think it's a shame and telling me that I have to get rid of everything that I have.

1745
02:21:07,070 --> 02:21:16,290
My dogs and my stuff to move into a nursing home or someplace assisted living. That's not fair.

1746
02:21:17,750 --> 02:21:19,450
It's not fair at all.

1747
02:21:20,410 --> 02:21:24,930
And I feel sorry for you guys because time's going to be a lot worse when you guys get older.

1748
02:21:24,930 --> 02:21:28,570
a lot worse. Thank you. Thank you.

1749
02:21:28,650 --> 02:21:32,610
And time. I guess. Thank you, man.

1750
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:49,640
My name is Anna Britt and I'm a resident at the Navigation Center.

1751
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:58,320
But today I'm here to ask you from Mercy with people in the trailers.

1752
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:02,180
Literally for everyone who's homeless.

1753
02:22:02,180 --> 02:22:11,880
May think that you're better off. You're three months away by most counts. I've seen it in studies. I've experienced it myself.

1754
02:22:15,690 --> 02:22:17,290
30 days is not much.

1755
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:28,820
You held out your hand and tried to hold water in it. It would slip through. These are like the lives of the homeless and you guys are holding it.

1756
02:22:28,820 --> 02:22:35,460
So maybe put on a glove, you could hold more water, you know, like one of those cleaning gloves.

1757
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:42,700
30 days is not much to allow people to accomplish the things that they need to.

1758
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:48,860
Maybe some of you are thinking, the homeless aren't doing what they should be doing,

1759
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,680
the ones out at camp justice.

1760
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:56,520
And I don't think that you truly understand how difficult it can be out there.

1761
02:22:56,520 --> 02:23:09,780
Just to do something like make a simple phone call, how do they do that if they have no way to charge their phones to make these arrangements that are you're requiring of them?

1762
02:23:10,180 --> 02:23:22,040
Daily life out there, daily life for me when I was homeless in a tent in a different town, was like trying to live through bombshells of my daily life exploding.

1763
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:25,320
And I had a child with me. She was 14.

1764
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:31,260
Now, all thanks to people behind me sitting.

1765
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,260
She's in the Tay House.

1766
02:23:33,620 --> 02:23:37,280
Getting the education, the life skills that she needed,

1767
02:23:38,220 --> 02:23:42,240
or needs right now to become a helpful member of society.

1768
02:23:43,860 --> 02:23:47,000
She wanted to come to the Navigation Center with me,

1769
02:23:47,380 --> 02:23:50,660
but I kind of forced her into the Tay House and I'm digressing.

1770
02:23:50,660 --> 02:23:52,980
because I love her so much.

1771
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:58,140
I think maybe if you close to your eyes

1772
02:24:00,190 --> 02:24:01,450
just for a

1773
02:24:01,450 --> 02:24:07,790
second and allow to yourself the mercy that you guys need to get through these

1774
02:24:07,790 --> 02:24:10,590
meetings because God what is so lacking you got this morning.

1775
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:14,800
You gave yourself that

1776
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:19,360
mercy and forgiveness for just simply being a human.

1777
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:24,310
You would experience self-

1778
02:24:24,310 --> 02:24:27,930
and could maybe share that the homeless community.

1779
02:24:28,770 --> 02:24:29,430
Thank you for your time.

1780
02:24:34,980 --> 02:24:35,300
I'm sorry.

1781
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:40,500
So I've lived in Tollman County my entire life.

1782
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:44,320
I've struggled with homelessness often on for about 13 years.

1783
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:50,340
The last six years I've committed my life to volunteering and serving the community while being homeless

1784
02:24:50,340 --> 02:24:53,460
and using my own money to serve the community.

1785
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:59,600
A lot of that started through one pilot time where I would go and we would clean up the camps after

1786
02:24:59,600 --> 02:24:59,960
You

1787
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:13,220
People were abandoned them and then I moved on to compassion out reach where we developed our own trash program and we bring bags of the camps and have them pick up their own trash and it was a really successful program.

1788
02:25:13,500 --> 02:25:18,580
Everybody cleaned up their camps and then they shut down the camps and opened up camp justice.

1789
02:25:19,780 --> 02:25:23,580
Through that program and throughout this, you know, six years watching my friends.

1790
02:25:23,580 --> 02:25:28,920
Um, I've watched people get, you know, sober and fine housing, so when we're going to college,

1791
02:25:29,060 --> 02:25:34,360
you got kids back, um, got their driver's license, um, but like Lisa was saying,

1792
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:38,620
case management takes time, um, you need to be patient with people.

1793
02:25:38,840 --> 02:25:43,560
It, you know, takes a long time to build trust, you know, trust, um, a lot of programs.

1794
02:25:43,880 --> 02:25:50,120
So they're not willing to do it, um, and I also want you guys to consider that a lot

1795
02:25:50,120 --> 02:25:55,260
the people in the trailers are senior citizens. So you're asking senior citizens who are already

1796
02:25:55,260 --> 02:26:01,080
struggling to go from a trailer into a tent. So basically I just wanted to say, you know,

1797
02:26:01,380 --> 02:26:06,240
it's taken us a long time to get here as a community, you know, government, you know, people on the

1798
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:12,200
ground and, you know, unsheltered. And I'm just hoping that we don't take a step backwards. I think

1799
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:19,220
the extension would be a good thing to hopefully get some more people into housing. And yeah, thank you.

1800
02:26:19,220 --> 02:26:20,500
Thank you.

1801
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:37,390
Good afternoon again over the past several years. Most of you guys are some of you guys have wasted millions and millions and millions of dollars that were meant to be for almost people.

1802
02:26:38,090 --> 02:26:41,310
The issue was those projects were not supervised.

1803
02:26:41,950 --> 02:26:46,690
So now you have people that are out there freezing every single day trying to make something

1804
02:26:46,690 --> 02:26:51,930
other lives but they just can because they can't.

1805
02:26:52,450 --> 02:26:56,830
So if you throw out all these trailers you can have more people out there freezing every

1806
02:26:56,830 --> 02:27:00,630
single night, it's almost 30 degrees out there every single night.

1807
02:27:01,070 --> 02:27:07,890
So I'd say red tag the trailers given the extended 30 days they want but it's going to

1808
02:27:07,890 --> 02:27:15,390
destroyed by the end of the month. Next month. Recently, there's a man that just passed away

1809
02:27:16,150 --> 02:27:21,310
at a real-capart. So how many more bodies are we going to be picking up at these parks?

1810
02:27:22,710 --> 02:27:25,510
These are the kind of decisions that you're going to make today.

1811
02:27:26,090 --> 02:27:26,670
Thank you.

1812
02:27:32,100 --> 02:27:35,340
Allergies for my voice went out late last night.

1813
02:27:36,920 --> 02:27:42,120
So I'm here to back up Michelle and the team and answer questions.

1814
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:48,660
I know we did a question and answer process that I'm just going to try to summarize really quickly

1815
02:27:48,660 --> 02:27:55,180
where we're at. Camp Justice is not the end-all solution for all the homeless conditions.

1816
02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:04,880
It had an objective which was to gather at people that were in the wild where 10 camping

1817
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:10,500
made sense where we could collectively wrap services around them, make them safer,

1818
02:28:10,500 --> 02:28:11,720
provide sanitation.

1819
02:28:14,420 --> 02:28:18,600
And it wasn't supposed to be an RV and trailer stop. It wasn't the

1820
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:23,040
safe parking program. Those are other programs that we need to be considering, and we've

1821
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:27,520
been considering for years, as we've been working with us. We don't have the funding for that.

1822
02:28:27,720 --> 02:28:32,900
The pathway home programs that we spoke of, those are in large counties that have a tax space where

1823
02:28:32,900 --> 02:28:38,260
the percentage of homeless falls within an envelope where it's sensible and reasonable to

1824
02:28:38,260 --> 02:28:39,580
provide those services.

1825
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:42,460
Follow me, county, it's not a place for almost people.

1826
02:28:43,260 --> 02:28:45,620
We don't really have the tax base for that, frankly,

1827
02:28:46,540 --> 02:28:48,880
for those kinds of that class of program.

1828
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:52,400
We've tried alternatives.

1829
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:56,600
Michelle has already spoken to the limitations

1830
02:28:56,600 --> 02:29:00,040
that we have with ordinance and policy programs here.

1831
02:29:01,580 --> 02:29:05,820
So that leaves us with getting camp justice into a form

1832
02:29:05,820 --> 02:29:11,220
that the conserv is, many people is possible in, in like maybe four season tents. I mean,

1833
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:16,000
we have a vision for the next version of Camp Josephs that could really serve some folks.

1834
02:29:16,420 --> 02:29:20,480
But we need to get to that after we can get the RVs and trailers out.

1835
02:29:23,230 --> 02:29:32,350
Yeah. So, I guess we're back to questions, potentially. If you wish, W. How do you want that to work?

1836
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:44,910
and maybe in the in the pallet tent conversation, we can have more of those conversations about what we can do with the resources that we have.

1837
02:29:46,230 --> 02:29:46,870
All right

1838
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:57,190
morning board.

1839
02:29:57,310 --> 02:29:58,990
They've asked his sheriff of to all of me, county.

1840
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,180
I think I didn't see anybody behind me for the remainder of public comments, so I was coming just as part of the county team and representative of the people. So that buzzer goes off and might still talk past that.

1841
02:30:12,220 --> 02:30:23,800
Just want to extend gratitude to the committee. I served on that committee as an advisory capacity. I wasn't able to make the January 8th meeting, but I did hear the dialogue and overall summary of what was discussed there.

1842
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:30,720
I will say this, I can attest that the program that is being run out there, the collaborative effort is working.

1843
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:38,560
And it has been working since, I think I will say since it's inception of, you know, Aprilish Mayesh of 2024,

1844
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:46,820
and we've seen a difference not only in our community, but we've been able to take steps in a process that successfully approximates

1845
02:30:46,820 --> 02:30:52,400
how people are going to experience success in this space that the people have been so gracious

1846
02:30:52,400 --> 02:30:59,820
to grant towards this pilot program, very temporary, limited expectation of privacy area that

1847
02:30:59,820 --> 02:31:04,820
these folks are able to stay in. And I've heard the number 30 days and talking about,

1848
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:08,860
are we going to come back and have another 30-day discussion or whatever that looks like in the

1849
02:31:08,860 --> 02:31:13,880
costs, all of those things weigh heavily on my mind when giving these recommendations. And I

1850
02:31:13,880 --> 02:31:19,120
can tell you that from the capacity of my office and our level of involvement in what it's

1851
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:23,900
going to take to deal with this situation with firmness, fairness, dignity, and compassion.

1852
02:31:24,140 --> 02:31:26,120
I think I need a little bit more than 30 days.

1853
02:31:27,100 --> 02:31:27,220
I do.

1854
02:31:27,340 --> 02:31:33,240
I think I need probably about 45 days, at least so that way we can safely facilitate what

1855
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:37,160
this looks like, but also give grace to the committee who has a plan.

1856
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:40,340
I think what sounds like a very good plan to carry that out.

1857
02:31:40,340 --> 02:31:48,520
And so I know that we made a promise to the people that we would ensure that this would be a pilot and that we would get our hands around it with the rules and regulations.

1858
02:31:49,060 --> 02:32:02,160
And if there is criticism on the timelines in which that's taking place, I would gladly take a little bit of ownership of that because I think that the notices we should be serving need to take place immediately after this board takes action.

1859
02:32:02,400 --> 02:32:08,420
So that way we can work with these folks who are living in these trailers to help facilitate it within that 45 day time period.

1860
02:32:08,420 --> 02:32:13,440
I think that that will reduce any liability or potential liability that could come as I'm

1861
02:32:13,440 --> 02:32:17,240
looking over at my council to make sure that all the provisions of red tagging and

1862
02:32:17,240 --> 02:32:21,880
trespass should there be violations of further the rules that the board is approving.

1863
02:32:22,320 --> 02:32:27,120
And I think that the courts have made plenty of decisions in the last year to determine

1864
02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:31,240
that that's reasonable, especially for me to carry out any civil processes surrounding

1865
02:32:31,240 --> 02:32:33,620
camp justice and how this works.

1866
02:32:33,620 --> 02:32:56,340
So I would ask for the smoothest transition and for best practices and policy procedure that you approve either the 30 days or 45 days which I think is more appropriate for me to work with staff and have my staff work with HHSA so we can make sure that we keep a timeline on what this looks like before we start imposing more than what might seem reasonable to the people out there.

1867
02:32:56,660 --> 02:33:00,620
So I appreciate your time. Thank you.

1868
02:33:00,620 --> 02:33:06,400
You said you might go over a little bit and then I appreciate your cognizant. Did you have further? I didn't want you to feel cut off

1869
02:33:08,100 --> 02:33:09,560
Okay, thank you

1870
02:33:09,560 --> 02:33:13,440
Okay, so let's go ahead and take a two-minute break for a moment. I've got a

1871
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:19,800
Coffee break, you know coffee by always you. I have to address so I appreciate that so two minutes, please

1872
02:33:22,660 --> 02:33:23,060
Okay

1873
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:31,340
So I appreciate all the public comment. I appreciate taking a break. I appreciate you working with kind of us kind of splitting the two main topics here

1874
02:33:31,340 --> 02:33:32,640
I'm gonna lead off on this topic.

1875
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:36,680
So this is the difficult part about government, right?

1876
02:33:36,700 --> 02:33:38,760
The difficult part about government is the government

1877
02:33:38,760 --> 02:33:39,600
has made a decision.

1878
02:33:39,940 --> 02:33:43,500
We made a decision that all of the trailers need

1879
02:33:43,500 --> 02:33:45,800
to be out of there by X-Day.

1880
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:48,800
And one of the concerns was,

1881
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:51,480
Supervisor Brandon brought up that he was concerned

1882
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:55,640
that we would have poor weather to do such, right?

1883
02:33:55,880 --> 02:33:58,680
Because it was January, we were expecting Masune,

1884
02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:00,580
et cetera, which clearly just didn't happen.

1885
02:34:00,580 --> 02:34:12,900
So Mike, the issue that I have is that we have given the board is given clear direction to remove these RVs by the 31st.

1886
02:34:12,940 --> 02:34:19,800
We also have a dedicated group of individuals on the Homeless Committee as well as a community who are saying, hey, we need a little more time.

1887
02:34:19,960 --> 02:34:22,480
You don't have to stand. You can say it if you want. I'm not going to ask you any questions.

1888
02:34:24,460 --> 02:34:33,700
So, the heart part about government is doing what's right for the perceived, what's right for the perceived injustices versus what's right for the county.

1889
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:42,080
So, whereas we have a large group of people that are saying, don't move them, we also have a group of people that are saying, get them out of there. It's a mess.

1890
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:44,860
And I'm not going to be all doing great.

1891
02:34:44,920 --> 02:34:46,680
I'm just kind of laying my groundwork here.

1892
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:53,860
So the problem that we have is that if I were to look at it,

1893
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:58,260
we discussed this in November, we advised that January 31st,

1894
02:34:58,260 --> 02:34:59,280
they were supposed to be out.

1895
02:34:59,280 --> 02:34:59,980
Um...

1896
02:35:00,020 --> 02:35:29,280
And here it is, the almost the end and nothing's happened. So what is to say that in 60 days, 30 days, 45 days, nothing happens. Now we have rules and regulations in place that will say, I see the sheriff coming up on me. All done, I share, not there yet. So the issue is that when government makes decisions and then they change decisions, it looks like we're just flip-fopping and then we get a bad rep for flipping and flopping.

1897
02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:35,580
a bad rep for trying to do the right thing, and then we're getting it nailed for spinning

1898
02:35:35,580 --> 02:35:36,180
the money.

1899
02:35:36,320 --> 02:35:39,640
Where does the money I asked specifically where did the money come from to destroy these

1900
02:35:39,640 --> 02:35:40,120
things?

1901
02:35:40,700 --> 02:35:43,840
The question of who's going to be on the hook for it?

1902
02:35:43,860 --> 02:35:48,560
Supervisor Campbell, eloquently said that it's not a gift, right?

1903
02:35:48,600 --> 02:35:49,180
Somebody will use it.

1904
02:35:49,300 --> 02:35:50,240
There's a ban in their property.

1905
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:51,000
It's not a gift.

1906
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:52,120
We're going to have to pay for that.

1907
02:35:52,340 --> 02:35:55,540
It should be, almost, it should be supervisor's pay for that and don't want that on

1908
02:35:55,540 --> 02:35:55,820
record.

1909
02:35:57,360 --> 02:35:59,000
Should the county pay for that?

1910
02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:01,860
So those are all the things that we have to balance, right?

1911
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:07,340
It's like, you know, the scales of justice are called that for a very specific reason, right?

1912
02:36:07,400 --> 02:36:10,340
They're balancing, it's a very difficult balancing act.

1913
02:36:11,020 --> 02:36:14,780
I was out there 10 days ago, I toured the camp.

1914
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:18,020
We are literally one day away from a collar outbreak.

1915
02:36:18,380 --> 02:36:19,660
It is that bad.

1916
02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:21,760
And the trailers are the problem.

1917
02:36:22,380 --> 02:36:25,260
They are dumping their refuge, they are dumping their trash,

1918
02:36:25,260 --> 02:36:29,040
They are developing almost a two-tiered, all-time.

1919
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:36,760
They're developing a two-tiered system, meaning people who have trailers are better off than the people who are living in tents.

1920
02:36:37,560 --> 02:36:48,300
So how do we make it fair for everyone, which is why I really wanted to split this, because I think once we cross the RV bridge, and we get to the pallet discussion, it'll all come into the line.

1921
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:55,060
So, now that I've painted myself out to be Mr. Duman gloom, my position is I'm okay with giving an extension.

1922
02:36:56,240 --> 02:37:16,900
However, it has to be the last bite of the apple. The reason why is because we have situations over there with the trailers, which are posing a medical issue, they're posing a fire issue, they're posing a law enforcement issue, they're posing a major issue.

1923
02:37:16,900 --> 02:37:20,700
that this camp was never designed to have, ever.

1924
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:21,760
It was never designed.

1925
02:37:22,620 --> 02:37:24,940
So, the old saying, give an inch, take a mile.

1926
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:27,480
Unfortunately, it's exactly what happened, right?

1927
02:37:27,540 --> 02:37:29,020
And I understand it's best intentions.

1928
02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:31,500
I'm not trying to be the jerk in the room.

1929
02:37:31,700 --> 02:37:33,480
And if you guys do me in my past life,

1930
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:35,240
I was very spirit of the law guy.

1931
02:37:35,360 --> 02:37:37,720
If I could find a way to make it happen, I'll make it happen.

1932
02:37:38,040 --> 02:37:40,460
But there comes a point where we have to decide

1933
02:37:40,460 --> 02:37:42,300
how are we going to address this

1934
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:45,020
and be good stewards of the people's tax dollars,

1935
02:37:45,020 --> 02:37:47,020
as well as the people's property.

1936
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:48,920
There's a number of these trailers,

1937
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:50,560
which have damaged the property.

1938
02:37:50,820 --> 02:37:53,060
They're dug in, trenches have been made,

1939
02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:55,020
electrical lines have been pulled, right?

1940
02:37:55,200 --> 02:37:56,980
There's stuff, so we have to,

1941
02:37:56,980 --> 02:38:00,580
we are also responsible to the other constituents

1942
02:38:00,580 --> 02:38:03,900
within our area, and to be fair,

1943
02:38:04,280 --> 02:38:05,500
this lands in my district.

1944
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:08,380
So I have a vested interest, it's why I go out there.

1945
02:38:08,420 --> 02:38:11,000
I was there the last time when they were giving,

1946
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:12,260
there was a move day, I believe.

1947
02:38:12,380 --> 02:38:14,940
I remember watching, you move, pack up your belongings,

1948
02:38:14,940 --> 02:38:21,780
I remember feeling how difficult it has to be, so I'm not as cold and dead inside as it's been made out to be.

1949
02:38:22,280 --> 02:38:26,780
I understand, but I also have to keep the balance in check.

1950
02:38:27,420 --> 02:38:28,360
So how do we get there?

1951
02:38:29,420 --> 02:38:33,420
So my position is whatever this board decides, I'm good with.

1952
02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:35,920
We want to move forward on the 30, 45, 60 days.

1953
02:38:35,960 --> 02:38:36,920
I'm good with that.

1954
02:38:37,160 --> 02:38:41,100
The trailers need to go, and that day is there, but you don't get another bite at the apple.

1955
02:38:41,460 --> 02:38:42,760
Once they're gone, it's gone.

1956
02:38:44,180 --> 02:38:46,020
And I'm okay with that.

1957
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:53,560
We just need to be cognizant that there are people that are saying, this is a problem and

1958
02:38:53,560 --> 02:38:57,140
I expect you to leave the guy I like to address that.

1959
02:38:57,500 --> 02:38:59,320
I don't agree with you giving them extensions.

1960
02:38:59,580 --> 02:39:03,460
I don't agree with you, but I have to be willing to push back and say, which I am.

1961
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:05,560
I don't have a problem saying, hey, look, this is why.

1962
02:39:06,180 --> 02:39:11,560
But it also comes something that I spoke to someone very early on.

1963
02:39:11,560 --> 02:39:19,060
Help me help you to troll your own camp, clean up your camp and it's not that way.

1964
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:23,780
There's trash, there's needles, human waste, animal waste, right?

1965
02:39:24,740 --> 02:39:27,540
Clean up your own camp, so I don't have to do it.

1966
02:39:27,880 --> 02:39:33,120
The county doesn't want to be in this position, we want you to be successful, but I cannot

1967
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:38,980
legitimately go to the camp and watch damage being done to the people's property.

1968
02:39:38,980 --> 02:39:46,820
trenches being built, fences being cut, trash being dumped, waste being dumped into the

1969
02:39:46,820 --> 02:39:51,140
um, into the porta potty's overflowing, right, causing a hazard.

1970
02:39:51,360 --> 02:39:56,680
I don't want my staff so upset, and I mean, not my staff, but the staff dealing with dirty

1971
02:39:56,680 --> 02:39:59,940
needles, picking up feces, that's not their job, they're job.

1972
02:40:03,540 --> 02:40:29,980
I'm all for helping, but this is it. We, as a society, need to say, these are the rules. I'm all for it. And that'll go back to the other point. I'll make it a moment here, is that a lot of this is reactive. Can't just just win in, but there was no rules of place. Nothing happened. All of a sudden, I was like, now we're in a reactive mode. We can't live that way. So I fully recognize and support the shares position on buying extra time, a different way.

1973
02:40:29,980 --> 02:40:36,140
I'm all for it. I will work with you, you know, supervisor Campbell, whoever it is, I want the people out there to be successful.

1974
02:40:36,500 --> 02:40:40,220
We represent them just as well as we represent somebody who's not homeless.

1975
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:46,680
But there has to be a meeting of the minds and coming together for the betterment of all of us.

1976
02:40:46,960 --> 02:40:50,700
So that's my, my soap box, which one of my supervisors? Next.

1977
02:40:51,320 --> 02:40:57,060
Oh, sorry. Just a quick comment supervisor. I always appreciate your relentless advocating for our shared district four.

1978
02:40:57,060 --> 02:41:18,800
And I just wanted to make sure that clarifying in the initial question was, how do I make sure that we won't be here in 30, 60 days and so I'll just address that that during my comments and what my proposal and request would be for this board to take action is that we start facilitating that process when the moment this board takes action, which means my office will be obviously serving those notices and making sure that the timelines are held.

1979
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:23,040
because we, essentially, we will not be back here in 60 days talking about this.

1980
02:41:23,040 --> 02:41:27,200
We are going to start that process after the board takes action, based on what my level

1981
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:29,380
of support that I'd offered previously to you was.

1982
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:30,120
Thank you, sir.

1983
02:41:30,300 --> 02:41:31,100
Thank you.

1984
02:41:33,490 --> 02:41:33,990
So you're Vice-Curc?

1985
02:41:35,070 --> 02:41:35,470
Sure.

1986
02:41:36,390 --> 02:41:36,870
You said a lot.

1987
02:41:37,070 --> 02:41:39,650
I grew with it.

1988
02:41:40,150 --> 02:41:42,270
It's not a mobile home park, it's not on our re-park.

1989
02:41:42,670 --> 02:41:47,590
This was designed to get folks out of the while like it was stated and interest services.

1990
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:51,350
As I asked real simply, has everybody who's been out that spot off her services.

1991
02:41:51,590 --> 02:41:54,130
I understand these things take time, I work in a prison.

1992
02:41:54,330 --> 02:41:58,530
I know for some people coming off the bus through our C, it's a two-year cycle to

1993
02:41:58,530 --> 02:41:59,030
heal the brain.

1994
02:41:59,290 --> 02:42:03,990
So I completely understand that and I don't want to start pushing back with timelines,

1995
02:42:04,250 --> 02:42:05,610
following what people have been there.

1996
02:42:06,130 --> 02:42:09,970
The point is we're not the state, we're not Santa Clara, like some of these other jurisdictions

1997
02:42:09,970 --> 02:42:14,690
who have so much more resources and attack space and we're not the prison where we just

1998
02:42:14,690 --> 02:42:19,970
endless copious amounts of funding coming in for these folks. So we're dealing with what we're

1999
02:42:19,970 --> 02:42:25,510
dealing with in it's it's very minute. I support the 45 day like if we're if we are offering

2000
02:42:25,510 --> 02:42:29,510
the services and we have the people on the ground doing the work and I don't want the work to get

2001
02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:35,650
lost in translation. You guys are amazing. The worth that you guys have done is phenomenal. We're doing

2002
02:42:35,650 --> 02:42:39,590
the work. Can you imagine where we've been last five years and where we are now? This is a good

2003
02:42:39,590 --> 02:42:45,650
to be arguing over. So I'm going to hold the line for 45 days. I don't want anything back on

2004
02:42:45,650 --> 02:42:54,390
the agenda. I'm asking for another extension. Just so you guys know, I'm not going to say, but

2005
02:42:54,390 --> 02:43:00,830
our board's not part of this. Some of us have offered in past times to connect people with services,

2006
02:43:01,030 --> 02:43:07,010
with personal services, with personal stuff. Today somebody was just offered somewhere to live

2007
02:43:07,010 --> 02:43:12,510
by a community member. This community wants to help people who want to help themselves. When you get

2008
02:43:12,510 --> 02:43:19,690
those dicey situations where I get it, all right? But I don't have all the answers. I just hope

2009
02:43:19,690 --> 02:43:26,350
staff can connect people. And idea that I had three years ago, which was who have opened space,

2010
02:43:26,430 --> 02:43:31,610
have opened lots, they have rentals, or they have an open room. And if you guys are listening to

2011
02:43:31,610 --> 02:43:36,410
this conversation online, calling into the county, let us know you're there because we have a handful of

2012
02:43:36,410 --> 02:43:41,370
people who I think could really use help and they can't because of a dog or two. So I just

2013
02:43:41,370 --> 02:43:45,110
want you guys to know today, somebody in this room reached out and gave somebody a place

2014
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:51,030
to live. So we're humans for people, but we got a govern and we're doing the best we can,

2015
02:43:51,230 --> 02:43:56,590
so that's it. Thank you, sir. Is there a visitor hung? Sorry.

2016
02:43:59,910 --> 02:44:01,250
Okay, so I came in.

2017
02:44:06,350 --> 02:44:07,010
That's your best

2018
02:44:07,010 --> 02:44:07,890
advocate right there.

2019
02:44:14,670 --> 02:44:16,490
I would recommend we give them 60 days.

2020
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:21,790
I know that's weird coming from me,

2021
02:44:21,790 --> 02:44:27,030
But that would be my, my plea to my board members.

2022
02:44:37,420 --> 02:44:38,140
Give him a moment.

2023
02:44:38,260 --> 02:44:38,760
60 days.

2024
02:44:39,080 --> 02:44:39,600
Let's vote.

2025
02:44:40,700 --> 02:44:41,240
Well, I'll see you guys there.

2026
02:44:41,860 --> 02:44:41,960
Okay.

2027
02:44:41,960 --> 02:44:42,000
Okay.

2028
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:45,440
I agree with my colleague.

2029
02:44:46,580 --> 02:44:47,060
My calling.

2030
02:44:49,320 --> 02:44:51,860
I understand what you're feeling.

2031
02:44:53,140 --> 02:44:56,140
Because when I look at where we are now.

2032
02:44:57,840 --> 02:44:59,980
And and super, as a current kind of a loop.

2033
02:45:04,940 --> 02:45:08,100
Good morning, give him a moment. 60 days. Let's vote. Okay.

2034
02:45:08,480 --> 02:45:10,800
Well, I'll see you guys there. We have to raise a gamble.

2035
02:45:11,500 --> 02:45:19,640
I agree with my colleague. My colleagues at understand what you're feeling.

2036
02:45:20,960 --> 02:45:24,080
Because when I look at where we are now.

2037
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:32,400
And and supervisor Kirk kind of alluded to to this as well as that we've come so far in the past four years.

2038
02:45:32,400 --> 02:45:40,500
I remember visiting Camp Hope is an encampment that's on top of the was on top of a trash heap.

2039
02:45:40,780 --> 02:45:48,300
The people were living on top of a literal trash heap, and the idea at the time was that we have to do something better,

2040
02:45:48,340 --> 02:45:51,080
not just for the people that are living there, but for the entire county.

2041
02:45:52,280 --> 02:45:57,660
And so the fact that the issue that we're faced with now is, you know, how it doesn't trailers,

2042
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:03,160
It's nothing compared to the challenge that we were facing in the past.

2043
02:46:04,180 --> 02:46:09,920
And you know, I don't want to start a fight or anything, but I just really didn't agree with your statement.

2044
02:46:10,020 --> 02:46:14,020
Supervisor Grief for that. Nothing has been done since November 18. So much has been done.

2045
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:18,640
And we depend on people I compassion outreach in.

2046
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:25,340
And G-Sack and Nancy's hope and host and these folks that have dedicated their time and energy to making this thing work.

2047
02:46:25,340 --> 02:46:35,340
And I really wanted to go, okay, I really want to thank the sheriff for his courage and his leadership on this, because without that element, this would not work.

2048
02:46:36,540 --> 02:46:53,600
I have to point out specifically, Sergeant Benson and Deputy Hoffman, who, if they were not on that site, keeping the rules straight and making sure that things were done the way they were, we couldn't do it just with social services alone.

2049
02:46:53,600 --> 02:47:02,600
And William, he's the man, I mean, there's so many people who have made this thing work and if what they're telling me,

2050
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:07,440
they're the ones that know how this work, they're the ones that have been living and breathing this, making it work.

2051
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:13,040
If they're telling me they need more time and that more time will be successful, I'm going to trust their opinion.

2052
02:47:13,960 --> 02:47:15,100
And so that's what I'm hearing.

2053
02:47:16,700 --> 02:47:19,100
I think, you know, the sheriff said 60 days,

2054
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:24,340
supervise them and give people into the places where they're healthy and where they're safe

2055
02:47:24,340 --> 02:47:29,140
then we owe it to ourselves and to our whole county to try and do that.

2056
02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:36,100
So, I agree with that and if there's a motion all second or I'll make the motion or however you want to work that.

2057
02:47:39,060 --> 02:47:40,780
Well, you've got the floor, sir.

2058
02:47:40,780 --> 02:47:48,600
If you wish, if you want to come, uh, so I guess I was the last person to go, so I'll move that we, uh, accept the recommended, uh,

2059
02:47:48,860 --> 02:47:55,000
which should I say here, accept the recommendation, accept changing the timeline to 60 days.

2060
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:59,660
Second, uh, on everything, accept the palette issue. Right, we're just so, yeah. So we're just so.

2061
02:47:59,720 --> 02:48:05,000
So I'll second that. Um, so the recommendation is that we extend 60 days, um,

2062
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:09,440
to have a plan and process for all removal of the trailers.

2063
02:48:13,810 --> 02:48:18,070
Correct, okay, just make it sure. Okay. Does that meet your requirements?

2064
02:48:20,090 --> 02:48:22,130
Okay. That's that good with you, Sheriff.

2065
02:48:23,090 --> 02:48:26,050
Okay, thumbs up, everyone's nodding. Okay, that's good.

2066
02:48:26,310 --> 02:48:31,930
Real quick, can you get like a summary of each person and why it's holding them back from getting services to the board?

2067
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:36,250
Sure, absolutely. I also wanted a point.

2068
02:48:36,450 --> 02:48:37,770
Or how is he like a dog?

2069
02:48:37,770 --> 02:48:53,770
I would, yes, I would also like to point out that I had included some stats that I thought were pretty incredible in the memo and I don't know if the board was able to review those, but I know that that's something that has been brought up obviously throughout this and I think that we have come a long way.

2070
02:48:54,170 --> 02:48:58,230
So I think it's important if you wanted to see those stats review this.

2071
02:48:58,250 --> 02:49:02,830
So let's, let's do the vote. I was going to bring those stats up at the second part with the, uh, the pallets.

2072
02:49:03,650 --> 02:49:03,730
Okay.

2073
02:49:05,010 --> 02:49:11,010
All right, so no further discussion regarding the RVs, 60 days, so all in favor say that.

2074
02:49:11,310 --> 02:49:11,930
And really fast.

2075
02:49:12,030 --> 02:49:15,890
Also, I'd just like to thank Senator Camel for recognizing the work that has been

2076
02:49:15,890 --> 02:49:17,330
done since September 18th.

2077
02:49:17,430 --> 02:49:19,430
They did not want that to go and notice as well.

2078
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:11,000
Already purchased 120 pallets, plastic pallets. We use whole-person care grant funding that expired in June 30, of 2025.

2079
02:50:12,300 --> 02:50:18,000
The concept is to combine eight pallets to create a raised platform for each site.

2080
02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:27,680
These platforms would clearly designate boundaries for each site, improve organization and reduce accumulation of items.

2081
02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:44,940
It would help support enforcement of existing camp justice rules and the new ones that we plan to implement and to reduce residents from hopefully digging trenches and further ground disturbance to divert water away from their tents.

2082
02:50:46,200 --> 02:50:51,380
The Palace would be secured in the ground and number to create orderly assigned sites.

2083
02:50:51,380 --> 02:50:56,380
The goal would eventually be to enforce occupancy only within those designated sites.

2084
02:50:57,760 --> 02:51:00,840
Currently there are enough pellets to create 15 platforms.

2085
02:51:02,380 --> 02:51:05,580
Sergeant Benson actually developed a site diagram for the board's reference.

2086
02:51:05,800 --> 02:51:09,240
I gave you each a copy, kind of current.

2087
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:14,140
What it looks like now, and then what it could look like with these pallets.

2088
02:51:14,640 --> 02:51:17,800
It could possibly fit approximately 39 sites.

2089
02:51:18,060 --> 02:51:19,620
We don't have those pallets right now.

2090
02:51:19,620 --> 02:51:23,380
But if you look at that A and B labeled 10 spaces,

2091
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:27,000
continued car camping in that center island,

2092
02:51:27,540 --> 02:51:31,600
and then nosed in parking for residents and visitors along the west boundary fence.

2093
02:51:32,780 --> 02:51:38,140
So that is kind of what we were looking for to do with the pallets.

2094
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:39,860
Again, we have 120 right now.

2095
02:51:39,920 --> 02:51:44,340
We could create 15 if the board was to approve this.

2096
02:51:44,860 --> 02:51:53,880
And if we went be on September of 2026, we could look at further funding to kind of explore additional pallets.

2097
02:51:54,780 --> 02:51:55,220
Okay.

2098
02:51:55,860 --> 02:51:56,740
Thank you.

2099
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:58,760
So, guys, you're a visitor.

2100
02:51:58,920 --> 02:52:01,180
As you can see, do you have a picture of what these things look like anywhere?

2101
02:52:01,460 --> 02:52:01,900
It's rare.

2102
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:05,200
It's just the, that's what it would look like.

2103
02:52:05,320 --> 02:52:07,640
I don't have a picture on the pallets, I apologize.

2104
02:52:08,740 --> 02:52:12,800
There's just their regular pallets, like wouldn't pallets are just plastic.

2105
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:18,220
Okay, so no costs, like, because there's some companies online that actually sell pallet housing, that's why I wasn't sure.

2106
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:21,480
No, no, these are just plastic pallets that would...

2107
02:52:21,480 --> 02:52:27,300
They look like the ones Costco uses when they just put a pallet of stuff, sure, and they love the oil.

2108
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:30,060
Okay, they just lift up with a poor place, that's what they order.

2109
02:52:30,620 --> 02:52:31,440
Yeah, okay.

2110
02:52:34,460 --> 02:52:37,280
There are currently four out there already.

2111
02:52:38,660 --> 02:52:40,100
And did you want to give those stats?

2112
02:52:40,300 --> 02:52:40,440
Yeah.

2113
02:52:40,440 --> 02:52:42,920
You want me to give a stats about that?

2114
02:52:43,080 --> 02:52:43,380
Yeah, sure.

2115
02:52:43,880 --> 02:52:45,340
I can do that.

2116
02:52:46,180 --> 02:52:54,460
So since begin operating in July of 2022, 183 individuals have been served.

2117
02:52:55,080 --> 02:53:01,440
63 individuals transition to more appropriate housing, including 29 who transition to permanent housing.

2118
02:53:01,660 --> 02:53:05,700
23 who transition to emergency housing such as shelter or a hotel.

2119
02:53:05,700 --> 02:53:18,140
9 individuals transition to inpatient rehabilitation for substance use, 2 individuals transition to medical facilities, approximately 12,

2120
02:53:18,400 --> 02:53:24,020
continue that have been there, you know, since its inception, and 31 have been trespassed from Kim Justice.

2121
02:53:24,700 --> 02:53:28,520
So those are the stats, I think, that it's working very well. Those stats look good.

2122
02:53:28,520 --> 02:53:29,680
Thanks, I'm thinking.

2123
02:53:30,360 --> 02:53:31,360
Do you guys are Camo?

2124
02:53:32,800 --> 02:53:33,240
Questions?

2125
02:53:34,580 --> 02:53:35,960
I don't have any questions.

2126
02:53:36,940 --> 02:53:38,340
Well, you have the pallets.

2127
02:53:38,660 --> 02:53:39,720
Where are they right now?

2128
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:41,620
They are stored.

2129
02:53:41,820 --> 02:53:42,560
I believe it.

2130
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:43,060
Oh, me general.

2131
02:53:44,220 --> 02:53:44,320
Okay.

2132
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:49,180
If we decide that you can use them, you could deploy them today.

2133
02:53:49,860 --> 02:53:50,360
Well, yes.

2134
02:53:50,460 --> 02:53:52,260
I have to figure out who's going to set it all up.

2135
02:53:52,460 --> 02:53:53,020
Not today.

2136
02:53:53,300 --> 02:53:53,680
I'm not ready.

2137
02:53:53,800 --> 02:53:55,740
I'm not obliging you to do it today.

2138
02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:56,520
Okay.

2139
02:53:56,520 --> 02:53:58,800
Okay, fairly quickly though.

2140
02:53:59,020 --> 02:53:59,160
Yeah.

2141
02:53:59,360 --> 02:53:59,600
Okay.

2142
02:54:00,100 --> 02:54:00,860
Thank you.

2143
02:54:01,720 --> 02:54:01,900
Okay.

2144
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:02,840
Public comment?

2145
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:06,700
Anybody wish to speak about the ballots?

2146
02:54:21,820 --> 02:54:27,760
I've watched a lot of the ones with the tents and the pallets, but way to ground

2147
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:28,600
is sloped.

2148
02:54:28,600 --> 02:54:29,560
I'm not very smart.

2149
02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:35,100
I haven't been to college or none of mine is like the experience, but anyway, we're

2150
02:54:35,100 --> 02:54:41,820
a pallet or at, instead of putting one, one, one like that, and four, you're going to have

2151
02:54:41,820 --> 02:54:42,840
to build them up more.

2152
02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:47,720
You're going to have to let at least put like two or something to get them up, raise them up

2153
02:54:47,720 --> 02:54:54,280
to the square because of heel goes like this, and the water goes right down the heel, and

2154
02:54:54,280 --> 02:54:59,980
it goes right into the part of the pallet or at, and the tents, I watched it this year, and

2155
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:08,660
Once it was right here by me, they completely, I mean, they're closed, everything just got soaked, and they're bedding and everything, and they had to give them all new bedding and everything.

2156
02:55:09,780 --> 02:55:13,020
Nope, no water, go right down to them.

2157
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:30,160
And the other thing I was going to say too is that if there should be some kind of rules for the people out there, if they're going to stay there, to pick up their garbage, and if they're not going to pick it up, then they should have to leave.

2158
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:39,960
Because a peep, some of the ones that's down by me, they go and they just throw it out in the ground and they just lay there and then somebody else has to go around.

2159
02:55:40,120 --> 02:55:41,900
They don't go up and use the toilets.

2160
02:55:42,140 --> 02:55:51,780
They use the outside grounds to go both, excuse me, but to go poop and to go pee both.

2161
02:55:52,120 --> 02:55:54,480
They take off, walk, and then that's where they go.

2162
02:55:54,480 --> 02:56:04,720
And they should have people throw their garbage out in the driveway and they go too fast and there's some of them, especially this one guy.

2163
02:56:05,980 --> 02:56:14,180
And he kind of ran over one of the big dogs out there, because the dog was laying out there, they don't stop, they don't go slow enough.

2164
02:56:14,180 --> 02:56:21,300
There just should be some rules set somehow and that's it. I'm not very smart. I'll have this

2165
02:56:22,340 --> 02:56:27,800
What I'm learning and then what I see and that's more smart sometimes in college

2166
02:56:28,820 --> 02:56:30,120
But um

2167
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:41,990
the original plan for the ballots was to grade and in some cases if it was necessary put down a rock

2168
02:56:42,730 --> 02:56:46,550
So that they'd be level and stabilized

2169
02:56:48,310 --> 02:56:55,290
We're going to need to move the RVs and trailers out to appropriately do all that clean up, so I just wanted to mention those things.

2170
02:56:56,930 --> 02:57:06,630
Also, a year ago when we began discussing pallets and tents, the idea of using four season tents, there's much stronger.

2171
02:57:09,710 --> 02:57:13,710
And making them uniform so that they're all the same size.

2172
02:57:14,410 --> 02:57:20,150
was part of the discussion. We need to come up with funding for that. There's $750 a

2173
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:25,910
tip, but they'll last a lot longer. So, you know, we could talk about maybe getting some

2174
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:32,740
public personalized funding for those kinds of things. It's not a huge amount of money.

2175
02:57:33,240 --> 02:57:38,500
That's just started to create the vision for what we intended for that to be with the

2176
02:57:38,500 --> 02:57:39,120
Thanks.

2177
02:57:43,170 --> 02:57:47,650
Just real quickly, I just wanted to say if you guys can see the drawings of the proposed

2178
02:57:47,650 --> 02:57:53,010
pallet sites or the pictures, those were developed by Sergeant Benson and the slopes

2179
02:57:53,010 --> 02:57:54,210
were factored in.

2180
02:57:54,230 --> 02:57:59,110
You can see the big red area that says no camping, no parking, and that area that wraps

2181
02:57:59,110 --> 02:57:59,890
along the fence.

2182
02:57:59,970 --> 02:58:04,570
That's most of the area that's really sloped and would take a lot of development where

2183
02:58:04,570 --> 02:58:05,530
the trailers are.

2184
02:58:05,530 --> 02:58:07,670
have already been graded and rocked at some point.

2185
02:58:07,870 --> 02:58:11,330
So we think probably minimal work to get 15 sites,

2186
02:58:11,330 --> 02:58:13,510
at least, up and ready.

2187
02:58:15,550 --> 02:58:16,430
Thank you.

2188
02:58:19,100 --> 02:58:22,100
OK, seeing no further kind of will bring it back to the board.

2189
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:23,340
I'm going to go ahead and lead off.

2190
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:25,840
The reason why I wanted to split these two

2191
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:28,140
is because of exactly what Mr. Crosby stated

2192
02:58:28,140 --> 02:58:32,400
is that in order to rehab this location,

2193
02:58:32,840 --> 02:58:34,520
the trailer's needed to come out, things like that.

2194
02:58:34,620 --> 02:58:36,640
So that's why these deadlines or these timelines

2195
02:58:36,640 --> 02:58:42,640
are so important because when things continue to get delayed it just makes it harder and more expensive

2196
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:49,720
as we go through time. So what I would like to see and I don't know if it's possible but we can

2197
02:58:49,720 --> 02:58:57,240
kick it out is can we come up with a plan to do this simultaneously? Remove all the the trailers

2198
02:58:57,240 --> 02:59:03,960
within the 60 days and then assess where we're going to put the first 15 get those ready and then

2199
02:59:03,960 --> 02:59:12,560
a plan to either re-grade re-rock and specifically designate the platforms so that when we do

2200
02:59:12,560 --> 02:59:18,820
this we do it all at once we make it as efficient as possible and that we make it as inexpensive

2201
03:00:00,990 --> 03:00:15,690
So that when we do this, we do it all at once. We make it as efficient as possible and that we make it as inexpensive as possible. So that we're not, you know, recreating the wheel. So that would be my, my question to the committee or to the staff.

2202
03:00:16,430 --> 03:00:23,590
Secondly, to the, the, the nice lady who was talking about, you're both doing this on me. So pick one. Thank you.

2203
03:00:23,590 --> 03:00:30,930
Regarding the the the slope I agree with you that's one of the things that I saw that's one of the things I specifically was concerned about

2204
03:00:30,930 --> 03:00:35,490
Was the amount of damage being due done to the ground and those locations so I don't believe

2205
03:00:36,050 --> 03:00:37,010
Per this

2206
03:00:37,010 --> 03:00:43,930
map there will not be any camping in that area so there we don't palates and then lastly my understanding

2207
03:00:43,930 --> 03:00:47,850
Having spoken to Mr. Proud being a few days ago

2208
03:00:47,850 --> 03:00:53,450
Is that each pallet would be I think they're four by four four feet by four feet

2209
03:00:53,590 --> 03:01:01,190
And so it would be, I think, the 4x4 or 3x3 or 4x4, either way, there would be 2 of them.

2210
03:01:01,210 --> 03:01:08,950
If you will, 2 of them set side by side. So that would be how each camping area in my understanding is that

2211
03:01:08,950 --> 03:01:14,250
your tent and all of the belongings would be on those pallets and that it would not be on the ground.

2212
03:01:15,090 --> 03:01:19,170
So all of those persons belongings would be there. It would be nice and tidy and clean.

2213
03:01:19,170 --> 03:01:24,730
we would know who needed medical response and there in the event there was a call came out.

2214
03:01:24,810 --> 03:01:29,650
We could say, and I agree, thank you, Sergeant Benson, for putting it this together.

2215
03:01:31,010 --> 03:01:34,210
For so we would know how that goes. So if we're going to move forward, which I'm all totally

2216
03:01:34,210 --> 03:01:41,710
for, it was a great eye-opening experience of the situation there and how we can benefit or better it.

2217
03:01:43,250 --> 03:01:47,470
But then lastly, to your point about the rules, I agree with you. We have to have the rules out there

2218
03:01:47,470 --> 03:01:50,650
and make sure that everybody is doing with their question.

2219
03:01:51,050 --> 03:01:51,070
Comment?

2220
03:01:51,450 --> 03:01:53,230
No, I just wanted to say we do have rules.

2221
03:01:53,470 --> 03:01:54,190
They're ready to go.

2222
03:01:55,130 --> 03:01:55,690
Right, right.

2223
03:01:55,690 --> 03:01:57,010
I'm just saying to address that position.

2224
03:01:57,230 --> 03:01:57,610
Is that there?

2225
03:01:57,730 --> 03:01:58,970
The rules are there.

2226
03:01:58,970 --> 03:01:59,890
There's something there.

2227
03:02:00,090 --> 03:02:00,370
It's coming.

2228
03:02:00,930 --> 03:02:01,190
Okay.

2229
03:02:01,430 --> 03:02:02,270
You have them.

2230
03:02:02,470 --> 03:02:02,710
All right.

2231
03:02:02,890 --> 03:02:04,610
Committee has them drafted.

2232
03:02:05,070 --> 03:02:05,250
Okay.

2233
03:02:06,410 --> 03:02:14,290
So, could we do the first 15 within, I mean, is it possible to do it the same time

2234
03:02:14,290 --> 03:02:16,750
that the trailers come out and the pallets go in?

2235
03:02:16,750 --> 03:02:19,550
Or do you see that as two separate relevance?

2236
03:02:20,770 --> 03:02:29,310
I feel like I think that we need to kind of maybe the committee needs to plan for this or we need to kind of work with the sheriff's office to figure that out.

2237
03:02:30,350 --> 03:02:33,490
Because I just don't know what's going to happen with each of these trailers, right?

2238
03:02:33,750 --> 03:02:37,990
And so, yeah, if any do need to be disposed of.

2239
03:02:38,070 --> 03:02:46,570
Okay, so with that being said, you have 15 spots designated ready to go now that you could implement and put these in.

2240
03:02:46,570 --> 03:02:51,210
I believe we do. Yes. Okay. You can do that. And again, I did see this. So like the Supervisor

2241
03:02:51,210 --> 03:02:54,110
Campbell was right on. It's like something you would go see a car, you know, a Costco

2242
03:02:54,110 --> 03:02:57,630
or if you would get a, you know, big bail a day or something that just sits right on there.

2243
03:02:57,770 --> 03:03:00,890
They're I think they're three by three or four by four. They're black plastic. They can

2244
03:03:00,890 --> 03:03:05,110
be anchored to the ground. So they don't move around. So if you, you know, I have no problem

2245
03:03:05,110 --> 03:03:11,290
putting the first 15 in and going for there. You know, no, no, first. Yeah, start the first

2246
03:03:11,290 --> 03:03:16,090
team campsites. Yeah, I mean we have them. Yeah, they have them. Let's put them in. I can

2247
03:03:16,090 --> 03:03:20,090
completely, they're just in the fly. They're paid for. We have them. If it can benefit

2248
03:03:20,090 --> 03:03:26,590
people's lives living at the site, then what, why not do that? So. And regarding tents, I would

2249
03:03:26,590 --> 03:03:30,570
reach out to the local Boy Scouts. I know that they, when I was a scalliator, we would always buy

2250
03:03:30,570 --> 03:03:34,510
a new camp, and any tents every two, three years. So there's, you know, it might be an opportunity for

2251
03:03:34,510 --> 03:03:39,710
called Slightly Use Camp Titting Equipment Out There.

2252
03:03:39,790 --> 03:03:40,730
Supervisor Kirk.

2253
03:03:41,890 --> 03:03:42,490
Seeing none.

2254
03:03:42,910 --> 03:03:43,490
All in again, all right.

2255
03:03:43,610 --> 03:03:46,690
I'll bring it back to the board for the emotion and a vote.

2256
03:03:47,110 --> 03:03:47,730
I'll move on.

2257
03:03:47,770 --> 03:03:49,150
Supervisor Creeper's recommendation.

2258
03:03:50,610 --> 03:03:50,790
All right.

2259
03:03:50,870 --> 03:03:54,810
I will second seeing the discussion.

2260
03:03:54,810 --> 03:03:55,770
All in favor say aye.

2261
03:03:57,170 --> 03:03:57,610
Opposed.

2262
03:03:58,710 --> 03:03:59,410
I've seen you zero.

2263
03:03:59,510 --> 03:04:00,430
So it's 4-0-0.

2264
03:04:00,750 --> 03:04:01,950
So thank you to the committee.

2265
03:04:02,050 --> 03:04:04,170
Thank you to everybody who came and talked.

2266
03:04:05,430 --> 03:04:07,290
So it's 1230 now,

2267
03:04:09,970 --> 03:04:15,250
what would staff like to do? Would we like to roll? I would like to give the staff at least a 30 minute, we have a 130 appointment.

2268
03:04:15,810 --> 03:04:21,130
So perhaps we go until 1 and then we can go through, give everybody a break until 130.

2269
03:04:21,550 --> 03:04:23,350
Or do you guys just want to power on?

2270
03:04:26,250 --> 03:04:29,990
You know, I want to get done as quickly as possible, so I'm okay either way.

2271
03:04:30,690 --> 03:04:32,970
Okay, well let's do this. Let's continue on if that's okay.

2272
03:04:32,970 --> 03:04:40,210
and then we'll play by year. So with that being said, we'll take item number 12 next.

2273
03:04:42,400 --> 03:04:49,380
Item number 12 consideration of appointing Scott Fremd and Charles Chuck Sloan to the fire safety advisory committee

2274
03:04:49,380 --> 03:04:51,580
with turns to expire December 30th.

2275
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:06,440
With terms to expire December 31, 2027, or open the positions for any eligible applicants.

2276
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:08,600
All right, thank you.

2277
03:05:08,600 --> 03:05:09,360
Hello there.

2278
03:05:09,420 --> 03:05:09,820
Hello there.

2279
03:05:10,300 --> 03:05:10,480
Yes.

2280
03:05:11,740 --> 03:05:17,560
So just as a clarification in why it's presented this way, we pulled it out of consent.

2281
03:05:18,320 --> 03:05:27,460
As the memo reads, we had two positions, Scott Frem and Charles Sloan, whose positions expired in December.

2282
03:05:27,460 --> 03:05:35,700
We received their applications through the portal system in November but did not receive them.

2283
03:05:35,960 --> 03:05:38,340
Thus we couldn't process them in December.

2284
03:05:39,360 --> 03:05:40,540
So we are doing that now.

2285
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:46,160
They're both interested in continuing for technicality and transparency.

2286
03:05:46,460 --> 03:05:49,200
We did get the other application in December.

2287
03:05:49,960 --> 03:05:53,500
So that's why I've made that available for you as well for consideration.

2288
03:05:53,500 --> 03:06:01,600
And that individual, I did speak to who is also interested if there is a vacancy in that

2289
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:01,920
committee.

2290
03:06:02,380 --> 03:06:05,320
So I have for you this item and recommendation.

2291
03:06:05,940 --> 03:06:08,600
All right, I'll bring it to the board for discussion.

2292
03:06:11,300 --> 03:06:12,880
Seeing none, we'll go to public comment.

2293
03:06:19,020 --> 03:06:23,640
I just want to say with an I'm out in the public and there are certain things that are

2294
03:06:23,640 --> 03:06:24,040
happening.

2295
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:26,180
I see checks alone at everything.

2296
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:29,480
And I'm always very impressed with that.

2297
03:06:29,480 --> 03:06:30,800
All right.

2298
03:06:33,070 --> 03:06:34,110
Any further comments?

2299
03:06:34,650 --> 03:06:36,490
All right. Is he not going to bring it back to the board?

2300
03:06:37,230 --> 03:06:38,670
Yeah, I agree with that comment.

2301
03:06:39,350 --> 03:06:44,790
Chuck is one of the, I'd almost said he talks a lot, but he's one of the people that

2302
03:06:44,790 --> 03:06:52,950
talks the most and has the most to contribute and he has sort of a fire and member of

2303
03:06:52,950 --> 03:06:57,410
the public perspective that I think is really valuable. And so I'm obviously very supportive

2304
03:06:57,410 --> 03:07:05,490
of him and same with Scott Fram, he's retired fire department and then he also sees things

2305
03:07:05,490 --> 03:07:09,710
from a member of a public perspective, so they both have that good perspective.

2306
03:07:11,310 --> 03:07:11,810
I'll make a motion.

2307
03:07:12,050 --> 03:07:14,450
We approve item 12, putting Scott and Chuck.

2308
03:07:14,850 --> 03:07:16,030
Second one.

2309
03:07:16,930 --> 03:07:17,730
Any further comment?

2310
03:07:18,030 --> 03:07:18,890
Edward Ward, seeing none.

2311
03:07:19,130 --> 03:07:19,930
All in favor say aye.

2312
03:07:20,250 --> 03:07:20,450
Aye.

2313
03:07:20,870 --> 03:07:21,370
Opposed.

2314
03:07:23,760 --> 03:07:24,400
And I'm sent you.

2315
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:25,980
So that passes 4-0-0.

2316
03:07:26,020 --> 03:07:26,520
Let them know.

2317
03:07:26,720 --> 03:07:27,280
They're back in.

2318
03:07:27,280 --> 03:07:28,100
Yeah, very much.

2319
03:07:28,100 --> 03:07:29,320
All right.

2320
03:07:31,830 --> 03:07:33,190
I'm 13, please.

2321
03:07:34,810 --> 03:07:38,690
Consideration of authorizing the change of the name of Pine Mountain Lake airport

2322
03:07:38,690 --> 03:07:45,630
Z-45 to Grovewin-U-Semity Airport E-45 and authorizing staff to take all related actions necessary

2323
03:07:45,630 --> 03:07:50,730
to implement the change, subject to federal aviation administration approval.

2324
03:07:52,640 --> 03:07:53,240
Take it away.

2325
03:07:55,000 --> 03:07:55,880
Good afternoon, Board.

2326
03:07:55,880 --> 03:08:01,980
Senator Tanya Sheffner, Airports Manager for Tualami County, we're here to request

2327
03:08:01,980 --> 03:08:09,640
Prime Mount Lake Airport Echo 4.5, have the name change to Grovelin, Yosemite Echo 4.5.

2328
03:08:10,320 --> 03:08:16,940
This is based on a proposed name change that will aim to clarify the information to visitors

2329
03:08:16,940 --> 03:08:17,840
that are calling in.

2330
03:08:19,820 --> 03:08:25,080
I have approximately four times a month from spring through fall, people calling the airport

2331
03:08:25,080 --> 03:08:32,440
asking about how to get to Yosemite, and they're inquiring, and that will help clarify tourism.

2332
03:08:33,100 --> 03:08:43,540
It'll align with our branding for the area, and it's potentially going to strengthen the economic development and feasibility of Prime Mount Lake Airport at GO-45.

2333
03:08:44,820 --> 03:08:54,180
As far as public outreach, we did hold a meeting in Grovelin August 26, 2025, and the feedback was positive from the community.

2334
03:08:54,180 --> 03:09:05,840
We also brought this to the Airport Advisory Committee on October 6th, and they voted unanimously to approve the proposed name change and bring it to the board.

2335
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:15,020
As far as the timeline and process went, assuming that you guys agreed to it, we would submit this in the airport data information portal system.

2336
03:09:15,020 --> 03:09:22,180
I would go to the FAA, they would start to the approval process, and we would have charts and

2337
03:09:22,180 --> 03:09:27,740
data that would get updated in their system that doesn't require any involvement on the

2338
03:09:27,740 --> 03:09:31,100
part of the airport staff once it gets submitted to the FAA.

2339
03:09:31,360 --> 03:09:37,900
We would work on getting some new signs in doing public outreach on our websites, and we

2340
03:09:37,900 --> 03:09:40,740
have an estimated cost of $4,500.

2341
03:09:40,740 --> 03:09:44,020
dollars. Thank you any questions.

2342
03:09:46,140 --> 03:09:47,760
It's not the Griefer airport.

2343
03:09:48,040 --> 03:09:48,820
Not yet. We'll see.

2344
03:10:00,020 --> 03:10:10,620
Emmer said, your symphony, and Fresno, Fresno, I forget the name, I looked it up, but in 1995, they changed their name to Fresno, your symphony.

2345
03:10:11,840 --> 03:10:13,380
Which you call it best to your symphony.

2346
03:10:14,300 --> 03:10:16,080
It is the best. We have best.

2347
03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:17,100
Best to your symphony airport.

2348
03:10:17,700 --> 03:10:23,320
Big of flat, and south interests are the two major entrances into your symphony airport.

2349
03:10:23,320 --> 03:10:30,220
Right now, Py-Mount Lake Airport is 26 miles or 30 minutes to 45 minutes drive from

2350
03:10:30,220 --> 03:10:31,340
Py-Mount Lake Airport.

2351
03:10:32,420 --> 03:10:34,280
So it's one of the closest airports.

2352
03:10:35,920 --> 03:10:36,400
I know.

2353
03:10:37,300 --> 03:10:42,720
So if you were to say succinctly, what's the main goal of the name change?

2354
03:10:43,280 --> 03:10:48,560
The main goal of the name change is to align with the regional branding of Rovlin, which

2355
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:50,880
is Yosemite entrance.

2356
03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:58,360
to what end are we trying to attract us, attract more tourism to it more industry,

2357
03:10:59,200 --> 03:11:03,680
more tourism, absolutely. So it raises the profile of it, it includes it in the

2358
03:11:03,680 --> 03:11:08,860
pantheon of these other regional airports that service your semity, and therefore it gets included

2359
03:11:08,860 --> 03:11:16,300
when people are looking at either traveling to or finding, I'm answering the question for it,

2360
03:11:16,440 --> 03:11:19,840
sorry. Absolutely. Is any of what I'm saying correct? Yes, sir.

2361
03:11:19,840 --> 03:11:23,780
And if you look up right now, if you're Googling airports

2362
03:11:23,780 --> 03:11:27,480
near you, somebody, KML isn't really on the map.

2363
03:11:27,700 --> 03:11:30,740
It is technically on the map, but it's not.

2364
03:11:30,740 --> 03:11:32,660
This is not a thing for the tour.

2365
03:11:32,660 --> 03:11:33,700
Clearly, but not.

2366
03:11:33,700 --> 03:11:34,980
It's not going to be a negative.

2367
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:36,360
It comes up.

2368
03:11:37,680 --> 03:11:38,720
OK, thank you.

2369
03:11:41,210 --> 03:11:44,670
You're not going to take a dig at South Gannley there, Mike?

2370
03:11:45,310 --> 03:11:45,550
All right.

2371
03:11:46,550 --> 03:11:48,530
So we've been discussing this a long time.

2372
03:11:48,530 --> 03:11:54,810
You know, it's one of the things like I wanted to address right away, so you guys can't but you're absolutely right

2373
03:11:55,370 --> 03:12:00,530
One of the primary goals or reasons that we want to change the name is to clear up confusion

2374
03:12:00,530 --> 03:12:04,610
A lot of times people will hear, well, why are you paying for a private airport meaning the county?

2375
03:12:05,070 --> 03:12:10,310
They think it's a five-mount lake owned airport people in time out and lake don't understand the relationship to and from

2376
03:12:10,310 --> 03:12:17,470
So by changing the name it gives better clarification. Also, visit to all in the county as well as a number of other organizations

2377
03:12:17,470 --> 03:12:27,970
Well, we'll start promoting it as such, we'll increase our tourism, which will obviously make it so we can develop that airport a little bit more right now technically it's a near park

2378
03:12:28,890 --> 03:12:42,810
I've been educated so we want to take the steps to get that set so this is just kind of the first step in the last thing is that the Fresno airport when they were going change their name

2379
03:12:42,810 --> 03:12:46,290
and air traffic specifically because the name of the 70 was in there.

2380
03:12:46,710 --> 03:12:50,730
So if we can get more, you know, people who are flying in, they can stay, they'll

2381
03:12:50,730 --> 03:12:54,730
shop, they'll eat, they'll drink and, you know, and as I will sure I'll get

2382
03:12:54,730 --> 03:12:57,250
laughed at or yelled at by the other airport, you know, obviously,

2383
03:12:57,430 --> 03:13:00,750
climb out like airport. It's the best airport, but, you know,

2384
03:13:00,810 --> 03:13:05,850
that's just me being me, myself. So I strongly encourage you to support this, so I'll

2385
03:13:05,850 --> 03:13:08,350
open it up to probably comment if there is any.

2386
03:13:14,370 --> 03:13:17,450
Well, thank you for your comments, but I hope they're not drinking and driving.

2387
03:13:19,370 --> 03:13:27,310
I'm in support of this because I talked to Tonya, and she said that the FAA will be paying for all the sign changes and not us.

2388
03:13:29,480 --> 03:13:29,660
Okay.

2389
03:13:32,170 --> 03:13:33,970
Did you wish to address that?

2390
03:13:35,010 --> 03:13:37,070
I'd like to clarify that.

2391
03:13:37,410 --> 03:13:41,870
We will pay for some of the sign changes after $4,500 is the estimate.

2392
03:13:42,550 --> 03:13:44,150
And we can absorb that in our budget.

2393
03:13:44,150 --> 03:13:50,810
But when you are asking about the charts and the various chart supplements that are posted,

2394
03:13:51,370 --> 03:13:54,850
the FAA takes care of all that, and there are a lot out there.

2395
03:13:55,210 --> 03:13:59,850
So that goes through a cycle and the system and gets taken care of.

2396
03:14:01,390 --> 03:14:04,770
And I'm sure there's a couple of ears listening to this now up in the timeout.

2397
03:14:04,990 --> 03:14:08,410
So they know that I'll come before their board and ask them for contribution as well.

2398
03:14:09,430 --> 03:14:11,250
So with that being said, any further comments?

2399
03:14:12,190 --> 03:14:14,650
Seeing none, bring it back to the board for a vote.

2400
03:14:14,950 --> 03:14:15,410
I'll make a motion.

2401
03:14:15,590 --> 03:14:20,070
We approve item 13, changing the name to the Groveling University Airport E45.

2402
03:14:21,270 --> 03:14:21,770
It's okay.

2403
03:14:22,830 --> 03:14:22,870
All right.

2404
03:14:22,870 --> 03:14:23,710
All in favor say aye.

2405
03:14:24,770 --> 03:14:25,170
Opposed?

2406
03:14:25,750 --> 03:14:26,050
Same.

2407
03:14:26,430 --> 03:14:26,890
4-0.

2408
03:14:27,870 --> 03:14:28,350
All right.

2409
03:14:31,040 --> 03:14:31,480
Item 14.

2410
03:14:35,240 --> 03:14:40,920
Item 14, consideration of authorizing airport staff to submit a request to the Federal Aviation

2411
03:14:40,920 --> 03:14:46,020
Administration, FAA, requesting a change to the common traffic advisory frequency

2412
03:14:46,020 --> 03:14:51,900
slash universal communications, C-T-A-F, slash U-N-I-C-O-N.

2413
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:06,200
We have a common traffic advisory frequency that also serves as universal communications out at

2414
03:15:06,200 --> 03:15:12,940
Prime Mountain Lake Airport. It's one, two, two, nine, or right now we have ten other airports within

2415
03:15:12,940 --> 03:15:21,180
75 medical miles that share that frequency and because Prime Mountain Lake is over 3000 feet in altitude,

2416
03:15:21,180 --> 03:15:27,900
elevation up there. We get all of the other frequencies interfering with our airport transmissions.

2417
03:15:27,900 --> 03:15:38,600
So this is a safety issue, it would ultimately lie with the F8 spectrum analysis to agree with our requests.

2418
03:15:39,300 --> 03:15:40,580
We went ahead and did these.

2419
03:15:41,560 --> 03:15:45,380
We also brought this before public meeting in Grovelin.

2420
03:15:45,900 --> 03:15:48,360
The attendees all were in favor.

2421
03:15:48,620 --> 03:15:50,600
They were all pilots that attended.

2422
03:15:51,880 --> 03:15:55,200
And we then brought it to their part advisory committee in November.

2423
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:58,700
they voted unanimously to bring this before the board.

2424
03:15:59,700 --> 03:16:04,500
Like I said, FAA approval is required through the airport district's office,

2425
03:16:04,680 --> 03:16:08,120
and they would then take it to the Spectrum Engineering Analysis.

2426
03:16:09,320 --> 03:16:11,880
It would be a good time while we're already working with the FAA

2427
03:16:11,880 --> 03:16:18,460
with Prime Mount Lake Airport's name change to include this in the items as well.

2428
03:16:19,940 --> 03:16:23,480
The financial impact will be approximately $2,000.

2429
03:16:23,480 --> 03:16:30,140
We'll need to spend some staff time to go and figure out how to get there, not.

2430
03:16:31,140 --> 03:16:31,460
Okay.

2431
03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:33,560
Comments.

2432
03:16:34,020 --> 03:16:35,440
Questions for the board?

2433
03:16:35,940 --> 03:16:37,500
I understood some of that.

2434
03:16:38,580 --> 03:16:38,620
Yeah.

2435
03:16:39,400 --> 03:16:42,040
Sit on the committee and listen to not talk about that.

2436
03:16:42,140 --> 03:16:43,740
Not being a radio person.

2437
03:16:44,540 --> 03:16:45,760
I know some of those boards.

2438
03:16:46,600 --> 03:16:47,320
And I'm telling you said that.

2439
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:50,020
If this didn't fly today that she's going to take you up and do barrel rolls.

2440
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:50,980
All right.

2441
03:16:52,280 --> 03:16:53,140
She didn't really say that.

2442
03:16:53,140 --> 03:16:54,440
All right, any public comment?

2443
03:16:57,270 --> 03:16:58,670
Seeing none, bringing back to the board.

2444
03:16:59,510 --> 03:17:01,190
I'll make a motion, a motion, that we

2445
03:17:01,190 --> 03:17:02,650
approve item 14 as presented.

2446
03:17:03,150 --> 03:17:04,090
So you're good.

2447
03:17:04,270 --> 03:17:05,790
All right, all in favor say aye.

2448
03:17:06,650 --> 03:17:07,050
Opposed?

2449
03:17:07,870 --> 03:17:09,030
All right, 4-0.

2450
03:17:12,420 --> 03:17:13,280
Let's see what I got next.

2451
03:17:13,280 --> 03:17:14,080
I'm number 14.

2452
03:17:15,600 --> 03:17:16,220
No doubt was 15.

2453
03:17:16,280 --> 03:17:16,900
All right, 16.

2454
03:17:20,040 --> 03:17:22,540
Item number 16, consideration of providing

2455
03:17:22,540 --> 03:17:24,740
direction to staff on amending the rental fees

2456
03:17:24,740 --> 03:17:26,700
for the community resilience centers.

2457
03:17:33,660 --> 03:17:34,480
OK, hi, board.

2458
03:17:34,480 --> 03:17:39,320
This Peterson I'm here today as the director of Library and Parks and Rec.

2459
03:17:40,460 --> 03:17:44,800
Okay, so you all know the community resilient centers of the CRC's as we like to refer to them.

2460
03:17:44,940 --> 03:17:45,960
We're open to 2022.

2461
03:17:48,040 --> 03:17:52,760
We, those are just two of many facilities that we have here in the county that Parks and Rec

2462
03:17:52,760 --> 03:17:58,580
Recreation manages, like the rental component for those for the community to use.

2463
03:17:59,360 --> 03:18:21,160
All of our facilities excluding CRCs are, well, your board sets the fees for the use of all of those facilities, the ones excluding the CRCs, your board has set the fee to be free for nonprofits, and then there is a rate of $34 an hour to utilize if you're a private organization rental of those.

2464
03:18:21,160 --> 03:18:26,240
The CRC's, when you're bored, looked at the fees for those in 2023s, when they were established,

2465
03:18:26,260 --> 03:18:29,120
and there was a lot of conversation about making sure that those were cost-neutral.

2466
03:18:30,720 --> 03:18:35,740
So staff at the time developed the cost on average for operating those facilities,

2467
03:18:35,920 --> 03:18:42,200
which includes things like utilities, upkeep maintenance, supplies, was about 75 dollars

2468
03:18:42,200 --> 03:18:47,940
an hour per zone, and there's an attachment in the board packet to show you the four different zones

2469
03:18:47,940 --> 03:18:53,380
in the CRCs at the time and costs currently to rent the facilities of the CRCs.

2470
03:18:54,720 --> 03:18:59,300
Each CRC has four offices, a classroom of commercial kitchen, and then two large conference rooms.

2471
03:19:00,520 --> 03:19:09,480
And I know the intent originally when these facilities were opened was to help offset some of the operational costs by having annual leases with organizations.

2472
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:04,520
So again, that hasn't happened, where the superintendent of schools, that hasn't happened yet, but we do have some

2473
03:20:04,520 --> 03:20:10,300
leases with the offices in both CRCs, so the Twangy County Sheriff's Office, leases in office

2474
03:20:10,300 --> 03:20:15,000
in both facilities, the same with Twangy County Behavioral Health. OAS, through their home

2475
03:20:15,000 --> 03:20:20,100
hardening grant, is leasing an office in Twangy, CRC, and then we're working actually with another

2476
03:20:20,100 --> 03:20:27,100
individual for a private individual for leasing one of the offices in Grovin. So we have one

2477
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:33,320
office available in each facility still rentable or vacant, and then, of course, the classroom

2478
03:20:34,480 --> 03:20:34,960
too.

2479
03:20:36,100 --> 03:20:41,960
I think, you know, being, well, yeah, staff, I think have done a great job operating the

2480
03:20:41,960 --> 03:20:43,900
facilities at really a minimal cost.

2481
03:20:45,500 --> 03:20:51,900
It's our staff and recreation who do a lot of the setup and take down and then our staff

2482
03:20:51,900 --> 03:20:55,660
who do all of the management of the reservations, we do walkthroughs and all kinds of things,

2483
03:20:55,660 --> 03:21:00,680
make sure that the facilities are locked and unlocked, a lot of times on the weekends when we

2484
03:21:00,680 --> 03:21:06,500
run into issues with our access control system. Nevertheless, there are, you know, there

2485
03:21:06,500 --> 03:21:11,400
are costs to operate. I included in the memo that costs for the last three years since they've

2486
03:21:11,400 --> 03:21:15,780
been opened for what the expenses are and then what the revenue is and then what the estimated

2487
03:21:15,780 --> 03:21:22,420
budget is for this current year. We're getting or refining those revenues and expenses. But

2488
03:21:22,420 --> 03:21:35,420
Certainly there is still a county cost operating the facilities so that's kind of one side of the coin the other side of the coin is that despite the fact that your board opted to

2489
03:21:37,860 --> 03:21:46,000
subsidize part of the cost of renting the facilities there are still plenty of folks that is still cost prohibitive and you know I do want to know that

2490
03:21:46,000 --> 03:21:52,020
most of the people who utilize the facilities these days actually don't have an issue with with the cost of the facility.

2491
03:21:52,740 --> 03:21:58,800
It's usually only those, those usually nonprofits that are providing like a free service to the community.

2492
03:21:58,960 --> 03:22:03,180
And of course, they're just trying to, you know, it's usually volunteers doing excellent work in the community.

2493
03:22:03,980 --> 03:22:10,120
As an example, we have a group in Groveland that puts on a free Thanksgiving meal to the community.

2494
03:22:10,240 --> 03:22:11,680
It's amazing work that they do.

2495
03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:19,520
They operate exclusively on donations, and so renting a facility for the whole day is pretty substantial for them as far as I cost.

2496
03:22:20,340 --> 03:22:27,980
So, and then we also, your board also determined that county departments that want to use the CRCs would also pay the fee.

2497
03:22:28,280 --> 03:22:37,900
And that was because there was a concern that if county departments were using the facilities, all of the time for trainings and, you know, really good things,

2498
03:22:37,900 --> 03:22:47,840
that then that would, and if they weren't pain, then that would not, that would not leave a lot of opportunity for the public to utilize the facilities to pay to help offset the cost.

2499
03:22:48,040 --> 03:22:57,220
So we sort of find ourselves in kind of two sides of the coin. We have costs very real cost to operate and I think we're doing doing a good job at being lean and mean.

2500
03:22:58,040 --> 03:23:06,280
But yet we also still have people who want to utilize the facilities and can't always afford to, whether it's nonprofits, providing really good service,

2501
03:23:06,280 --> 03:23:20,340
Well, not profits, but specifically those groups that provide kind of those free services, community services as well as some county departments that maybe don't have you know the general fund departments that you know or don't have their own funding sources.

2502
03:23:22,900 --> 03:23:30,600
So that's kind of where we find ourselves and so, you know, at your board's workshop last year there was some conversation about adjusting these rental fees.

2503
03:23:31,080 --> 03:23:43,340
And so I'm here just looking for any direction that you might have on what you want to do for if you want to adjust the fees for a specific, you know, if you want to go back to maybe how the other facilities are.

2504
03:23:43,920 --> 03:23:49,220
The other non-CRC facilities where non-profits don't pay anything, if you want to consider

2505
03:23:49,220 --> 03:23:54,140
anything related to county departments, or if you want to maybe have a different fee

2506
03:23:54,140 --> 03:23:58,340
for a girlfriend as opposed to a tewalame, because of course tewalame, just with the amount

2507
03:23:58,340 --> 03:24:05,680
of population that lives in the side of the river we'll say, there's just a larger population

2508
03:24:05,680 --> 03:24:10,180
drawn so they're used much more, tewalame is used much more than the girlfriend is, so I'm just

2509
03:24:10,180 --> 03:24:15,040
I'm going to throw those considerations out there for you and have you to answer any questions.

2510
03:24:15,340 --> 03:24:16,380
All right, bring to the board.

2511
03:24:18,460 --> 03:24:18,640
Sure.

2512
03:24:19,900 --> 03:24:20,480
Thank you, Liz.

2513
03:24:21,420 --> 03:24:23,600
And you did a good job kind of laying out the situation.

2514
03:24:24,200 --> 03:24:26,280
And this has always kind of been the problem with the CRCs.

2515
03:24:26,460 --> 03:24:28,500
It is, what are they for?

2516
03:24:28,760 --> 03:24:36,760
Are they for as a wedding party venue or as a meeting place for public groups?

2517
03:24:36,760 --> 03:24:41,000
because there's a very big difference in what each group would be able to pay.

2518
03:24:42,200 --> 03:24:48,260
So my question is, how much interest, I guess you can do, and divide them up,

2519
03:24:48,300 --> 03:24:51,280
how much interest they need to see or see, have you seen for what?

2520
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:05,340
Your talk, but she handles all of the phone calls that come in. What I will say is we are getting

2521
03:25:05,340 --> 03:25:10,040
more and more interest. And that is one of the areas where we have opportunity to increase

2522
03:25:10,040 --> 03:25:17,220
our revenue is to advertise that we are a venue where you could hold a conference. At one point,

2523
03:25:17,640 --> 03:25:22,420
the state's wildfire task force is coming here to Chinese camp in March if you didn't know.

2524
03:25:22,760 --> 03:25:28,960
At one point, they were talking to us about using the 12 MCRC. So there is an opportunity to utilize

2525
03:25:28,960 --> 03:25:31,940
that for like meeting spaces also we do get a lot of wedding

2526
03:25:31,940 --> 03:25:36,240
like receptions we've had funerals we've had all kinds of those kinds of

2527
03:25:36,240 --> 03:25:39,880
events but i think there's a lot of opportunity to advertise this space that it's available

2528
03:25:39,880 --> 03:25:41,820
so it's more and more

2529
03:25:41,820 --> 03:25:46,820
but up until this point it's been mostly kind of meeting space yeah and and that's

2530
03:25:46,820 --> 03:25:50,780
to me that's the issue and where we need to figure it out is is the

2531
03:25:50,780 --> 03:25:58,940
for oh as a wedding venue it's underutilized i'm just gonna say weddings but any kind of

2532
03:25:58,940 --> 03:26:08,440
like if you compare the cost of writing the CRC versus the opera hall or any number of other private ventures,

2533
03:26:08,760 --> 03:26:14,180
it's half what it is there. So it is a bargain for those kind of parties.

2534
03:26:14,820 --> 03:26:19,040
But then when you talk about the legal women voters wants to do an event or something,

2535
03:26:20,380 --> 03:26:26,140
it's almost too much. It's more than you would expect a nonprofit group to be able to pay.

2536
03:26:26,140 --> 03:26:30,220
And I think just to add to that, I think that's why we have the other facilities that

2537
03:26:30,220 --> 03:26:33,620
we have, like the library meeting room, the gym, like community hall, some of those other

2538
03:26:33,620 --> 03:26:36,280
spaces for those kinds of groups, but, yes, you're.

2539
03:26:36,320 --> 03:26:46,220
So would you recommend that we emphasize it as a wedding party venue, more?

2540
03:26:46,900 --> 03:26:50,900
I mean, is that what you're saying that we should be doing that more, and then should we look

2541
03:26:50,900 --> 03:26:55,500
increasing the costs for those types of uses.

2542
03:26:56,300 --> 03:26:59,920
I'm going to jump in only because this has really been me driving this and I don't want

2543
03:26:59,920 --> 03:27:00,740
to put her on the spot.

2544
03:27:01,320 --> 03:27:06,820
So the issue is, your question is, how much interest is there in the facilities?

2545
03:27:07,280 --> 03:27:11,620
The real question is, how much are we losing because they can't afford it?

2546
03:27:12,240 --> 03:27:19,400
So where this came from is that in Groveland where we only have 4 to 5,000 people,

2547
03:27:19,400 --> 03:27:24,620
Right, they're paying the exact same amount as Tualmi, where you have 45,000 people.

2548
03:27:24,840 --> 03:27:31,140
So you have a lot more opportunity for the people of Tualmi to use that 45,000 people in Tualmi city.

2549
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:43,560
You know, I mean the North County, so my point being is that as she stated, you know, we lost the community hall two years ago, three years ago.

2550
03:27:43,560 --> 03:27:48,380
So the non-profits that we're using that for zero haven't been able to use that they're

2551
03:27:48,380 --> 03:27:53,960
being forced to use the CRC, which they understand, it's a great deal, you're actually

2552
03:27:53,960 --> 03:27:54,280
right.

2553
03:27:54,400 --> 03:27:55,740
I mean, it's kind of a mixed blessing, right?

2554
03:27:55,740 --> 03:27:59,040
Once people realize, oh, look at what you got versus what you were using, right?

2555
03:27:59,960 --> 03:28:06,880
So the issue isn't that we don't have opportunity, this, the people in the Grovelin area

2556
03:28:06,880 --> 03:28:13,060
or South County can't afford or choose not to pay, because it's how much per hour,

2557
03:28:14,920 --> 03:28:28,900
So it's going to round up 60 bucks per hour, so that's time, so and then if you use all four zones, it's 240 an hour, and if you have an all day event, so that's 240 times eight, thank you.

2558
03:28:28,900 --> 03:28:35,920
right so it's just cost prohibitive for a nonprofit in in groveland to spend that amount

2559
03:28:35,920 --> 03:28:44,840
of money especially as she referenced the you know we spend two entire days serving five

2560
03:28:44,840 --> 03:28:50,360
to six hundred dollars or five to six hundred meals and Thanksgiving and all those

2561
03:28:50,360 --> 03:28:54,980
of donations get chewed up by the amount of amount of that we are charging that building

2562
03:28:54,980 --> 03:28:58,520
I thought that issue was resolved, but it's still there.

2563
03:28:59,020 --> 03:29:01,760
Yeah, I mean, we worked for the calendar,

2564
03:29:02,120 --> 03:29:03,740
great job working with them, and they, you know,

2565
03:29:03,840 --> 03:29:05,320
they were happy and did the best.

2566
03:29:05,320 --> 03:29:07,700
Yeah, it felt like that was worked out, right?

2567
03:29:08,420 --> 03:29:09,780
No, no, we still had to charge them.

2568
03:29:10,180 --> 03:29:12,520
No, there's no, so right now in a few ordinance,

2569
03:29:12,700 --> 03:29:14,940
there's no ability to waive the fee.

2570
03:29:14,980 --> 03:29:16,200
That's really what we're looking at.

2571
03:29:16,280 --> 03:29:17,060
Well, and then, maybe.

2572
03:29:17,240 --> 03:29:19,140
So what do you want to do with that?

2573
03:29:19,140 --> 03:29:22,320
So another example of that is there's a craft fair,

2574
03:29:22,320 --> 03:29:29,840
And the craft fair, they had to pay not just the two days, but they had to pay the entire

2575
03:29:29,840 --> 03:29:30,380
evening.

2576
03:29:30,780 --> 03:29:34,860
So at two in the morning, they had to pay per hour to keep that facility there.

2577
03:29:35,820 --> 03:29:37,080
What are you suggesting?

2578
03:29:37,320 --> 03:29:46,680
So my suggestion is that we come up with a way to offset the cost of the CRC, so that non-profits

2579
03:29:46,680 --> 03:29:48,880
and so we can get more usage out of that.

2580
03:29:48,880 --> 03:29:50,960
We'll come up with a ways, is...

2581
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:18,100
Well, that's the need, gritty. So what is the way that we do that? Because we've been over as many, many times, and there's no way to get a moderate amount, not even full cost recovery, but even moderate amount of cost recovery without charging, at least something to do.

2582
03:30:18,160 --> 03:30:29,500
So how about this? How about we come over the way? We direct stamped to come up with a way to make it as fair as possible. So for example, a non-profit 501c3 designated non-profit doesn't pay.

2583
03:30:29,500 --> 03:30:38,460
They're going to hold an event. They don't pay for the room, but if they want to hold an event and they pay for it, then they want to serve food, then

2584
03:30:38,460 --> 03:30:40,100
You know, they have to pay for the kitchen

2585
03:30:41,340 --> 03:30:44,840
Right, we come up with something. What if we did like

2586
03:30:47,440 --> 03:30:58,400
I don't know, I'm just thinking. Well, here's the problem is our resolution doesn't allow well the board or it doesn't allow staff to wave the fee right right well, and that's that's that goes back to

2587
03:30:59,700 --> 03:31:05,120
who decides, you know, what is a worthwhile use of the facility? I mean, because if

2588
03:31:05,120 --> 03:31:11,700
if there are ways to get 501c3s to sponsor, then they're, you know, bringing in thousands

2589
03:31:11,700 --> 03:31:16,500
of dollars in revenue, and so we really should be charging those groups. But then there are

2590
03:31:16,500 --> 03:31:20,260
others that are really small that aren't, you know, the food distribution, the perfect example

2591
03:31:20,260 --> 03:31:26,620
of that. What if we did something like wave one zone or something, you know, if we're talking

2592
03:31:26,620 --> 03:31:33,240
about something that's small, that's a limited scope, it still comes back to somebody

2593
03:31:33,240 --> 03:31:35,380
else to pay for operating it.

2594
03:31:35,420 --> 03:31:39,240
And so if we're doing that and we're making concessions, then that's shifting that burden

2595
03:31:39,240 --> 03:31:43,000
on to all of the taxpayers of the county to pick up the slack.

2596
03:31:43,740 --> 03:31:46,440
So it's kind of like somebody's got to pay the bills.

2597
03:31:47,200 --> 03:31:51,660
But whenever you're starting a new company or a franchise, usually the established franchise

2598
03:31:51,660 --> 03:31:58,360
We'll pay for to help the other franchise better struggling come up and get established, right?

2599
03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:01,220
So leaving the fees for Dualami is fine.

2600
03:32:01,440 --> 03:32:06,660
If you want more people to use the CRC in Groveland, then we need to come up with the way,

2601
03:32:06,740 --> 03:32:09,400
because even off of the math here,

2602
03:32:09,680 --> 03:32:20,620
Julie 26 budget estimated for rent fees Groveland, it's $24,000 as opposed to $71,000 for Dualami.

2603
03:32:20,620 --> 03:32:26,740
same thing with the leases for, you know, leases for

2604
03:32:26,740 --> 03:32:31,000
Tualami and for Grovelin, it's 17,000 and Tualami and it's 5,000 and

2605
03:32:31,000 --> 03:32:35,180
and Grovelin. So the question is, the biggest complaint we hear especially in

2606
03:32:35,180 --> 03:32:38,900
in Grovelin is, that's my building. I can't use it. I can't even afford to get in there.

2607
03:32:39,040 --> 03:32:43,580
Yes, we've had funerals and yes, we've had some weddings and receptions there, and

2608
03:32:43,580 --> 03:32:46,700
they're okay with paying that because they understand it. It's the non-profits that

2609
03:32:46,700 --> 03:32:51,160
want to use that facility that are priced out of being able to use that facility because there's

2610
03:32:51,160 --> 03:32:57,600
nothing in our ordinance that says so what are we then directing staff to come back with

2611
03:32:57,600 --> 03:33:03,020
another recommendation on which I'm all for believe me we've had many how many of these kind of

2612
03:33:03,020 --> 03:33:09,200
conversation we've never quite found a right balance with with this CRC's because of the cost and then

2613
03:33:09,760 --> 03:33:13,520
you know all the people that want to use it which is great that people want to use it but

2614
03:33:13,520 --> 03:33:16,060
there's got to be somebody paying the bills.

2615
03:33:19,060 --> 03:33:21,100
I would struggle with making a distinction

2616
03:33:21,100 --> 03:33:22,660
between Tualmi and Grovelin.

2617
03:33:22,800 --> 03:33:25,980
I think we should be fair and it should be equal for both

2618
03:33:25,980 --> 03:33:30,700
because there are just as many low income individuals

2619
03:33:31,260 --> 03:33:33,340
and non-profits and things in Tualmi

2620
03:33:33,920 --> 03:33:35,340
as there are in Grovelin.

2621
03:33:35,440 --> 03:33:36,180
That is not true.

2622
03:33:36,740 --> 03:33:37,280
Well, it's not true.

2623
03:33:37,400 --> 03:33:40,520
You have 45,000 people living on the North side of the river

2624
03:33:40,520 --> 03:33:42,140
that can utilize that.

2625
03:33:42,140 --> 03:33:45,960
There's only 3 to 4,000 of the entire South County,

2626
03:33:46,160 --> 03:33:48,820
Don Pedro, Groveland, big old plant.

2627
03:33:49,500 --> 03:33:55,360
So you're saying, I mean, I don't have the in per capita income in front of you.

2628
03:33:55,800 --> 03:34:02,100
You're looking, you're asking a smaller group of people to pay the exact same amount as a larger group of people, right?

2629
03:34:02,280 --> 03:34:06,000
You have the, this is the same facility, there are identical facilities, they cost the same.

2630
03:34:06,440 --> 03:34:09,420
And so that means somebody's going to have to pay that difference.

2631
03:34:09,420 --> 03:34:16,080
Well, I mean without getting into the weeds here, I mean we've gone I mean this this should never have gotten to this point in the first place, right?

2632
03:34:16,380 --> 03:34:20,300
Because they're going to work it out. I know that's where we're now. We're trying to fix it, right?

2633
03:34:21,080 --> 03:34:25,240
And by the way, I'm totally open to having that discussion trying to work it out.

2634
03:34:25,360 --> 03:34:35,600
Well, let's do this. Let's have let's have let's have the other two chime in since we're way past the last period. I'm pretty sure me and I don't want to weigh on this at all, but just a way just a way and a little bit.

2635
03:34:35,600 --> 03:34:42,020
What if, um, it sounds like there's a few specific events up there like the feeding for the Christmas or Thanksgiving

2636
03:34:43,080 --> 03:34:46,960
What if the staff found out a couple of those events, and we made

2637
03:34:46,960 --> 03:34:47,720
Dispessional

2638
03:34:48,420 --> 03:34:56,060
Exclusion just for them because obviously it's feeding the community and I think we can all stand behind that versus I think what Ryan's trying to say like

2639
03:34:57,640 --> 03:34:59,960
You know, you get a 501 see

2640
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:09,440
They do it, but they're having the huge craft fair example in the raising a ton of money, maybe they can't afford it. So maybe that's where we draw an extinction between the two, not extinction.

2641
03:35:10,040 --> 03:35:28,580
Well, I have that too. I mean, we have a 501c3 that puts on a murder mystery show, and it's all weekend, and 20% of, if not more, 30% of their proceeds that are collected goes to the county to use that facility. Now what that being said, they know that, they're getting a good deal, but they're looking for just a little assistance, right?

2642
03:35:28,580 --> 03:35:32,540
And there's things, I know we're going to rebuild the community hall, right?

2643
03:35:32,600 --> 03:35:34,140
Insurance, that's all going through it to start.

2644
03:35:34,440 --> 03:35:37,340
So like another 18 months, I'll be built or something a year.

2645
03:35:37,700 --> 03:35:41,280
So maybe at that point we can make a difference between the two things,

2646
03:35:41,760 --> 03:35:44,700
like I don't have a nice community hall's going to be compared to the CRC.

2647
03:35:45,000 --> 03:35:47,980
But I don't know, maybe the staff would just look at the events and we could, we look at the events.

2648
03:35:48,740 --> 03:35:49,340
I don't know.

2649
03:35:49,620 --> 03:35:51,780
Okay, so I'm going to stay out of this and just work it out.

2650
03:35:52,040 --> 03:35:57,340
I mean, all right, Kirk, you know, God, you can, I'm real simple, I don't care.

2651
03:35:57,340 --> 03:36:08,380
I just know that when I got on the CRC conversation, it was already in the works and I was told by staff that we would be net between 11 and 13,000 year and we've never been net.

2652
03:36:08,400 --> 03:36:09,320
We've always been negative.

2653
03:36:09,580 --> 03:36:12,180
So I just want to turn that negative into a net.

2654
03:36:12,460 --> 03:36:17,020
And if it's a pilot program and we do that over there and we make more revenue than it's working.

2655
03:36:17,180 --> 03:36:20,640
But if we don't, then we need to bring it back.

2656
03:36:21,440 --> 03:36:31,800
I'm more interested in what rented spaces do we have and Liz, can I pull staff out of rented spaces and put them in the CRC like in three offices?

2657
03:36:32,240 --> 03:36:34,260
I don't care. I'm to the point.

2658
03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:40,000
Yeah, you know, there are some from what I understand, you know, I wasn't pretty sure.

2659
03:36:40,840 --> 03:36:49,480
There are some limitations to the grant like a five year timeline and I don't know when exactly when that five year timeline ends

2660
03:36:49,480 --> 03:36:52,420
because from what I understand, there's just some research to be done,

2661
03:36:52,660 --> 03:36:54,200
it's definitely something I've thought about.

2662
03:36:54,460 --> 03:36:56,640
Okay, well then I would say.

2663
03:36:56,720 --> 03:36:58,980
Also, I'll just add to that sort of related.

2664
03:36:59,320 --> 03:37:02,300
Much like how we've, how we did the contract with TPRD,

2665
03:37:02,520 --> 03:37:04,840
where they're maintaining the grounds outside of the Tual Me,

2666
03:37:05,140 --> 03:37:07,620
their global community service district has expressed interest

2667
03:37:07,620 --> 03:37:12,260
and we're in conversation about how they can maybe utilize

2668
03:37:12,260 --> 03:37:14,940
the facilities and exchange for some of the maintenance costs,

2669
03:37:15,180 --> 03:37:19,460
which may, and then they want to do some more advertising as well.

2670
03:37:19,460 --> 03:37:25,960
And then we just internally have talked a lot about how we want to do more advertising as well as establish maybe a daily or a weekend rate

2671
03:37:26,960 --> 03:37:32,580
To be beneficial for some of the nonprofits sensitive and to supervisor that was more than your question

2672
03:37:32,580 --> 03:37:33,500
I'm sorry in the supervisor

2673
03:37:33,500 --> 03:37:39,820
Campbell's point you're right the the current rules of regulations we have are so strict that for example

2674
03:37:39,820 --> 03:37:47,020
Like I said that craft fair because they rented all day on Saturday or on Friday and they rented all day on Saturday

2675
03:37:47,020 --> 03:37:49,340
They had to pay all night between the two

2676
03:37:49,460 --> 03:37:58,820
So they paid 12 hours for all, you know, two in the morning. So if you're, if you're, I like the pilot idea. I think so we can do that. So my recommendation

2677
03:37:59,420 --> 03:38:12,760
We'll get to staff coming here and say I'm a by recommendation, or sorry, public, my recommendation is let's come up with a potential pilot program to identify what would be best to assist more utilization of the grovelin CRC.

2678
03:38:12,760 --> 03:38:17,840
And my caveat to that would be, yeah, more use, but it has to come back at it.

2679
03:38:18,300 --> 03:38:22,240
There has to be a positive financial, hopefully more people will be using it.

2680
03:38:22,460 --> 03:38:25,660
Well, and if more people use it than we make more money, but if it's able to, they will come, right?

2681
03:38:26,300 --> 03:38:27,700
That's, well, that's a theory.

2682
03:38:27,820 --> 03:38:28,260
That's the idea.

2683
03:38:28,760 --> 03:38:33,640
But I would also like staff to come back and look at, do we have any rented space where we have a couple of employees here?

2684
03:38:33,680 --> 03:38:37,480
I don't know if counties on the hook for any of the veterans,

2685
03:38:37,480 --> 03:38:42,720
Um, Brent, you know, we have the veteran, you know, the office I'm talking about like,

2686
03:38:42,720 --> 03:38:43,540
are we paying that?

2687
03:38:43,780 --> 03:38:47,140
Like, why don't we bring them into the CRC and say 25 grand, like, between the early

2688
03:38:47,140 --> 03:38:49,100
two or three rents, we could turn this into a net.

2689
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:53,540
So, I'm, that's where I'm at, I support either or so we can go lunch.

2690
03:38:53,940 --> 03:38:53,960
Right.

2691
03:38:54,580 --> 03:38:54,780
Yeah.

2692
03:38:55,420 --> 03:38:59,300
And I'm not trying to, uh, I just want to make sure it's fair, okay.

2693
03:38:59,320 --> 03:38:59,600
I agree.

2694
03:38:59,620 --> 03:39:05,940
Because, and I'm going to use the same, we, we need to make sure that, um, we get our

2695
03:39:05,940 --> 03:39:11,020
financial house in order. I've heard that that term before and we have to cover costs with this.

2696
03:39:12,060 --> 03:39:20,240
And so we have to be responsible and show that the signing one value to one group is justified.

2697
03:39:20,840 --> 03:39:29,180
So that's all I'm looking for. And I just really, I don't like the one side of the river, nor side of the river kind of thing.

2698
03:39:29,180 --> 03:39:38,040
I think the facilities are identical, they sort of the same purpose in both areas, that we should have the same policy for both.

2699
03:39:39,260 --> 03:39:46,080
But, you know, I guess the policy there is that you think that we have the same people from Twalming are not going to drive to Grovelin.

2700
03:39:46,360 --> 03:39:48,940
I can't even get up and down a Grovelin all the time. That's not that far.

2701
03:39:49,060 --> 03:39:52,540
I have a town hall up in Grovelin.

2702
03:39:52,540 --> 03:39:53,580
Oh, don't mind.

2703
03:39:54,040 --> 03:39:54,960
Was that as a count because you don't see it?

2704
03:39:54,960 --> 03:39:55,700
Let's go for the motion.

2705
03:39:55,940 --> 03:39:59,980
I'm hearing some support for potential, well, I don't know what I'm hearing some.

2706
03:40:11,050 --> 03:40:20,270
Good afternoon, I'll just make it really quick. I don't see how you could possibly put these two buildings into the same bucket, just because there are identical buildings. I agree with Steve.

2707
03:40:20,930 --> 03:40:29,390
If I were to own these two buildings and decide what I was going to do with them, I would have to consider the locations of each, not just the fact that there are identical buildings.

2708
03:40:29,390 --> 03:40:30,770
That's it. Thanks.

2709
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:36,340
Anyone else?

2710
03:40:38,070 --> 03:40:41,810
All right. So I'll make a, well, I'll pass together with the mic on this one.

2711
03:40:41,810 --> 03:40:56,630
So I'd like to make a motion that we direct staff to come up with a proposal to address the non-profit to use our facility and

2712
03:40:56,630 --> 03:41:03,150
What's it doing address the non-profits to use all facilities so we can say fair and then

2713
03:41:03,150 --> 03:41:07,670
Come up with a way to change our ordinance to give staff the opportunity to make waivers

2714
03:41:09,130 --> 03:41:14,210
Have a second motion you have a second motion. All right. Let's see if we get a first up your motion

2715
03:41:15,090 --> 03:41:20,510
Added to when that comes back. I want to know if we have some opportunity for

2716
03:41:21,750 --> 03:41:26,530
If we can rent some space whether it's over there or over here to

2717
03:41:27,350 --> 03:41:32,750
cut. Our own employees cut our own employees out of some rented space and get them in a CRC.

2718
03:41:33,690 --> 03:41:37,170
And actually, could we even do it to the public Roger? Or is there some restriction on that?

2719
03:41:37,350 --> 03:41:40,730
Could we have maybe a lot of firm wants to have an office?

2720
03:41:42,070 --> 03:41:44,990
That's exactly what the intent was, and that the one that I was referring to in

2721
03:41:44,990 --> 03:41:47,550
girlland that we're working through is actually a therapist. She's going to be renting it.

2722
03:41:47,610 --> 03:41:52,750
Perfect. Open it up to all the above and get this damn $55,000 covered that we've been

2723
03:41:52,750 --> 03:41:56,030
talking about for six years. Thank you.

2724
03:41:56,130 --> 03:41:59,970
All right. So there's a, first of the second, do you have

2725
03:41:59,970 --> 03:42:02,750
direction on, or at least clarity on what we're asking?

2726
03:42:05,200 --> 03:42:08,320
Ish? All right. And just, I was just going to ask for some

2727
03:42:08,320 --> 03:42:13,840
clarity. Is this specific to all? Okay. Then I, I don't know

2728
03:42:13,840 --> 03:42:16,160
we should. Okay. Wait, one more thing. Can we actually

2729
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:18,760
charge more now that it has a regional use 70 airport?

2730
03:42:19,620 --> 03:42:22,520
Well, yes. I'll let that go. All right. All right.

2731
03:42:22,520 --> 03:42:27,860
All right, with that being said, no further comment or questions, all in favor say aye.

2732
03:42:28,600 --> 03:42:29,060
Opposed.

2733
03:42:29,980 --> 03:42:30,200
Nine.

2734
03:42:30,760 --> 03:42:31,220
Four zero.

2735
03:42:31,540 --> 03:42:31,880
All right.

2736
03:42:32,240 --> 03:42:32,440
All right.

2737
03:42:32,780 --> 03:42:34,480
Our second last on this one.

2738
03:42:34,780 --> 03:42:34,980
Sorry.

2739
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:36,080
Is.

2740
03:42:36,680 --> 03:42:37,240
Number 17.

2741
03:42:40,410 --> 03:42:45,270
Consideration of approving the proposed chairs appointments to the Board of Supervisors Committee

2742
03:42:45,270 --> 03:42:47,310
and commissions for 2026.

2743
03:42:48,310 --> 03:42:48,490
All right.

2744
03:42:48,810 --> 03:42:50,170
I'll go ahead and lead on this one real quick.

2745
03:42:50,810 --> 03:43:00,570
So, there was a typo, so on the local agency information, accidentally had Mr. Campbell there that should be

2746
03:43:00,570 --> 03:43:01,330
supervisor Brandon.

2747
03:43:04,360 --> 03:43:07,420
And I think there was a question on the 12 me fire safe council,

2748
03:43:09,560 --> 03:43:11,120
which I don't see any changes there.

2749
03:43:12,140 --> 03:43:13,100
You want to make coming.

2750
03:43:14,800 --> 03:43:19,620
So, that would be my, as presented in your packet, the only change would be the

2751
03:43:19,620 --> 03:43:20,420
I've got a line.

2752
03:43:25,500 --> 03:43:25,840
No conversation?

2753
03:43:26,860 --> 03:43:28,380
Well, I just was going to read so.

2754
03:43:30,240 --> 03:43:36,880
You know, I don't have, I see that I was taken off the TCTC, TCTA, which is the joint

2755
03:43:36,880 --> 03:43:41,360
powers of authority that deals with transit and transportation into Omicang.

2756
03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:43,580
I've been on that since 2019.

2757
03:43:44,160 --> 03:43:48,840
I'm perfectly happy to give someone else an opportunity to serve on there and a super

2758
03:43:48,840 --> 03:43:57,100
So I suggested that you be on that board back when you got elected because of the unique

2759
03:43:57,100 --> 03:43:59,900
transportation needs that you have up there and grove on.

2760
03:44:00,660 --> 03:44:07,400
But I just want to make sure that we are putting maximum effort into that committee,

2761
03:44:07,500 --> 03:44:14,720
I probably spent more time in energy and effort on than any other committee beside Board of

2762
03:44:14,720 --> 03:44:15,920
of various meetings on Tuesday.

2763
03:44:16,640 --> 03:44:22,200
It is the largest thing that I did outside of this.

2764
03:44:22,640 --> 03:44:25,700
So I'm just putting that out there and keep that in mind.

2765
03:44:26,360 --> 03:44:31,200
A lot of millions of dollars goes through that JPA and there's a lot of competition over

2766
03:44:31,200 --> 03:44:38,660
where that goes and trying to make sure it comes to the county as our is a big effort there.

2767
03:44:39,020 --> 03:44:39,580
And I appreciate it.

2768
03:44:39,580 --> 03:44:40,360
Thank you for reminding me.

2769
03:44:40,400 --> 03:44:42,280
I did mean to bring that up.

2770
03:44:42,280 --> 03:44:50,060
There was public comment, so without clarity, for no potential brown egg violation, Supervisor Campbell and I had the discussion.

2771
03:44:51,140 --> 03:44:59,780
He saw that I had put Supervisor Holland on there as well. He asked me to call Supervisor Holland also, which is the beyond there being selfish. I took one of the seats.

2772
03:45:01,900 --> 03:45:23,400
So that's how I have it right now. In our conversation when I expressed to you as supervisor Brandon had supervisor Holland on there the last time. My understanding was because it was for the city. I know we had our discussion about that. So I'm not trying to be the Southful to the public or to my mates. So I will let the guys, you guys work it out.

2773
03:45:23,900 --> 03:45:24,300
Well,

2774
03:45:26,710 --> 03:45:41,610
okay. Yeah, I'm fine with, I mean, you're the chair. You make the appointments, so it's up to you ultimately, and I'm fine with whatever you decide. I just want to do to be aware that it is a very large commitment and I appreciate that. Thank you.

2775
03:45:41,770 --> 03:45:42,350
Any public comment?

2776
03:45:49,410 --> 03:45:52,130
Yes, I have several changes. I would like to recommend.

2777
03:45:52,810 --> 03:45:59,190
I would like to keep Ryan Campbell on a GCC because I've seen the result of his efforts.

2778
03:45:59,890 --> 03:46:06,710
And when I've been at those meetings, I didn't think Mr. Holland exhibited that much interest in the committee.

2779
03:46:07,150 --> 03:46:09,710
And I need someone on there who's really proactive.

2780
03:46:10,950 --> 03:46:19,870
And I recommended to supervisor Brandon last year that he make a change and put Mr. Holland on the solid waste committee.

2781
03:46:22,110 --> 03:46:24,770
And I don't think he has that much interest there.

2782
03:46:24,950 --> 03:46:27,150
He seems to be far more interested in other things.

2783
03:46:27,150 --> 03:46:29,690
He does show up at the meetings and leads the meetings.

2784
03:46:30,630 --> 03:46:34,010
But when Ryan Campbell and David Goldenberg were on that committee,

2785
03:46:34,750 --> 03:46:37,330
they really took that committee to a different level.

2786
03:46:37,910 --> 03:46:41,850
So I would like Ryan Campbell to have both of those committee assignments.

2787
03:46:42,270 --> 03:46:46,150
And in exchange, especially seeing what I've seen today,

2788
03:46:46,330 --> 03:46:50,290
I think it might be helpful for Mr. Holland to be on the homeless commission.

2789
03:46:50,910 --> 03:46:57,270
And he took over and filled in at behavioral health one time and he seemed a little uncomfortable.

2790
03:46:58,310 --> 03:46:59,750
And I thought that was good for him.

2791
03:46:59,770 --> 03:47:04,790
And I think if he was on those two committees, he might have something to add.

2792
03:47:04,990 --> 03:47:09,070
Because behavioral health kind of languages and the committee expects to be spoon fed.

2793
03:47:09,510 --> 03:47:12,710
I don't see a lot of proactivity on behalf of their members.

2794
03:47:13,790 --> 03:47:16,790
And Carl Rotifer was put on the behavioral health committee.

2795
03:47:17,050 --> 03:47:19,610
And I wasn't sure about that several years ago.

2796
03:47:19,610 --> 03:47:26,530
And he was absolutely amazing and asked a lot of questions about why other partners, like Edventus

2797
03:47:26,530 --> 03:47:31,850
Telf, and Law Enforcement, were not attending those meetings, and he really changed that committee

2798
03:47:31,850 --> 03:47:32,650
for the better.

2799
03:47:33,490 --> 03:47:36,790
So, I would suggest swapping the two of them over those four committees.

2800
03:47:37,070 --> 03:47:37,810
Thank you.

2801
03:47:41,710 --> 03:47:43,030
Any other public comment?

2802
03:47:44,030 --> 03:47:46,070
I will bring it back to the board, right?

2803
03:47:46,070 --> 03:47:53,350
We request the motion, I'll make a motion we approve it with the change that Steve

2804
03:47:53,350 --> 03:47:57,210
brought about switching Ryan and Jaren on left-go.

2805
03:47:57,350 --> 03:47:57,710
Correct.

2806
03:47:57,810 --> 03:48:02,190
So removing supervisor Campbell from the left-go, error on my part, and adding supervisor

2807
03:48:02,190 --> 03:48:03,430
Brandon to that.

2808
03:48:03,690 --> 03:48:03,770
Correct.

2809
03:48:04,510 --> 03:48:05,010
Is there a second?

2810
03:48:05,810 --> 03:48:06,210
A second?

2811
03:48:07,390 --> 03:48:07,610
Okay.

2812
03:48:07,990 --> 03:48:08,870
Any further conversations?

2813
03:48:09,330 --> 03:48:10,830
Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

2814
03:48:11,850 --> 03:48:12,290
Opposed?

2815
03:48:13,090 --> 03:48:13,630
40.

2816
03:48:14,190 --> 03:48:14,430
All right.

2817
03:48:14,430 --> 03:48:19,870
So, the last item before an I-Scream's at me is we just have to re-engage was that we have.

2818
03:48:20,650 --> 03:48:25,310
Item number 18 is a closed section and we'll go ahead and do that one with the other closed section item appointment.

2819
03:48:25,850 --> 03:48:27,510
Do we expect any...

2820
03:48:27,510 --> 03:48:34,250
Mr. Chairman, we are not anticipating any report out, so if the board chooses it may adjourn following closed session.

2821
03:48:34,530 --> 03:48:37,430
Excellent. So go ahead and, man, court go ahead and read it.

2822
03:48:38,610 --> 03:48:43,410
Item number 18, closed session public employee appointment, authority government code,

2823
03:48:43,410 --> 03:48:46,130
five, four, nine, five, seven, be one county council.

2824
03:48:48,850 --> 03:48:52,890
One, thirty p.m. appointment, closed session, conference with legal council, and

2825
03:48:52,890 --> 03:48:57,410
anticipated litigation, significant exposure to litigation, authority government code,

2826
03:48:57,410 --> 03:49:02,250
five, four, nine, five, six, point nine, d, two, one, one case.

2827
03:49:06,120 --> 03:49:08,720
I'm running a perfect game so if I don't ruin it, all right.

2828
03:49:09,500 --> 03:49:12,760
So that'll be our last item, is there any public comment on those two items?

2829
03:49:12,760 --> 03:49:13,600
going

2830
03:49:16,510 --> 03:49:22,510
once, going twice. Thank you. Beans adjourn. Board and staff in the Law Library at 130.