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All of them, favorite, please say aye.

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Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Public comment period. Anyone interested in public comment?

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Mr. Acquire?

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No.

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Weekly updates.

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Hydrology Olivia.

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Good morning.

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The following report has data to March 3rd.

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So, let's see if this will work.

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Okay. Taking a look at precipitation for this month, so just within the first week of March,

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we did receive about four inches. Now, for reference, they were forecasting this week in eight

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to nine inches within the watershed, so we got about half of what was being forecasted for this event.

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So, not a good track record as far as the U.S. forecast seemed like European did better

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with forecasting this event.

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So that brings our year to date to 24.25 inches,

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comparing that to the historical September through March period,

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that puts about six inches under the average for that.

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Time and as in terms of percentage,

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we're at 94.8% for the date.

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Looking at projections moving forward under the dry scenario,

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you wouldn't expect much more precipitation

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about four more inches and then under the wet scenario, you could look at anywhere from about 15

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more inches within the watershed.

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Looking at the local forecast, things are starting to settle

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down so as far as precipitation, we aren't expecting much over the next nine days. There are

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those three days there, the tenth through the twelfth, where there's light precipitation,

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that has pretty low certainty to it, so most likely that would be scattered showers or you might

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and up with just kind of cloudier weather on those dates.

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As far as temperatures normal for this time of year

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on the highs about 66 degrees and the lows

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about 45 degrees, so we're sitting right around average

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for both of those over the next nine days.

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Taking a look at the watershed,

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this will go, okay.

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Looking at the eight day forecast for the watershed,

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European trending slightly lower than the US model

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with about a tenth of an inch over the next eight days while the U.S. model is sitting around

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an inch and a half. As of this morning, U.S. model has also tempered down its forecasts,

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matching closer to that U.S. model. Moving into the 16-day similar stories we see in the

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eight-day, maybe a slight increase. So you're looking at about half an inch within the European

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model and then up to two inches in the U.S. once again, U.S. has come down. It's looking at half

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to an inch over the next six days. So for reference, that's about three inches lower than the

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average for that 16-day period. So this would be below average precipitation for the 16 days.

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Looking at what that does as far as conditions within the watershed for soil moisture right now we're

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sitting around 700,000 acre feet and that would kind of hold through this period. So that sits right

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average for this time of year. As far as snow water equivalent right now around 900,000 acre

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feet of sweet, so for today's date that is right around the 50% exceedance, but as you move

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through the period because we aren't expecting that's precipitation we do start to dip below

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average as far as snow water equivalent by looking

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at what that does as far as full natural flow

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This does use the seven day forecast within it.

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So far, we've received 363,000 acre feed of full natural flow.

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Under the dry scenario, you're looking about a 78% water year.

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And then under the wet up to 123% water year.

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For the dry, you need about four more inches of precipitation by October

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in order to get to that 78% number.

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Looking at Dom Pedro Storage right now, we're at 800.4 feet, or as of the third, we were at 800.4 feet.

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As of today, we've now hit to about 800.7 feet.

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Looking at projections, a lot of this is due to timing of runoff.

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So under those drier scenarios, typically you hit your peak runoff earlier.

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right you you've already met your peak sweet and then it starts to to move down

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verse in those water scenarios you push off when you receive that peak

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inflow. So under the drier scenario this all assumes a full available water to the

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farmers you would be about 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9 feet under the dry scenario and then

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would be at the 801.9 feet under the wet scenario.

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So those are the ranges as far as wear,

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Dom Pedro potentially could end up a lot of that ending

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storage is going to be dependent on timing of runoff,

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volume of runoff, and then once

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can timing of demands in our system.

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Back to that slide, just a minute.

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Even under the average scenario, you're coming close to filling,

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but then you're way below the curve there at the end.

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Yes, so that's due to when we receive the peak of our inflow.

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So if our peak comes in beginning of June but majority of our demands are shifting into that to

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lie August period, you don't have the inflows to supply those demands so you're just using

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storage to be able to supply both the IDNM IDs irrigation demands.

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Now, if we do have that later runoff and the peak is closer to July, then if you get to

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that full irrigation or full dumpedro, then you are having a 8.1.9 by the end of irrigation.

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So really is dependent on when do we receive the peak of that inflow?

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Taking a look at the irrigation season, this is all TID-only values.

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So it's looking at what is TID's portion of Dom Pedro storage and pulling that through to look at what how much carry over TID would have at the end of season.

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So, looking at...

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President George, we have the 90% exceedance conditions and then the 50% exceedance conditions up here.

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We start with President George, we remove any of our fishery requirements for this year, then water for the irrigation.

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That gives us current available water from there. We know that we are going to receive some more inflow to the system.

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Consider how much evaporation is going to come off of that inflow and then we also pull off subsequent year obligation. So next year's furc fishery requirements and

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From there we have our total available release and then assuming that we do the full available water

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That's that five thirty seven coming out of Dom Pedro surface water. That gives us a carryover under the dry scenario of seven seventy nine

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which is more than a full allocation of carry-over.

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Are there any questions on this chart?

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Perfect.

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So with that, we'll be moving into a discussion on some of the modeling.

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I know there's been questions about hydrocom,

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HM and our overall process.

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So with that, I'll hand it over to Wes.

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We were asked to give a discussion on the modeling within the hydrology department.

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More specifically, why are we paying about $300 to $400,000 a year, $365,000 budget for $2,000,000, $24,000 for the Hydrocomp H-Time model,

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H-Fam, of course, stands for Hydrocomp forecasting and analysis model.

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So this discussion today is oriented to reasons why we are spending these resources, that's the dollar, and person hours.

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That pre-year?

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That's on our register.

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These resources are justified each year within a series of discussions on the overall budgeting process.

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We're going to go into the wise within the presentation.

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What I would like to do is raise the bar just a little and answer the question given that we need to expend these resources.

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What is the return on investment?

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Are we treating these expenditures as an investment looking for ways to use?

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What is developed from these expenditures for the customer's ultimate benefits?

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That I think is the more important question.

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This discussion is part of the analytical platform that the department uses, and I want to convey that the tone here is consistent across that analytical platform.

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I use the term analytical platform, because we have multiple modeling systems that are gathering generating a short system.

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This is one part of that, an analytical system.

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Okay, Olivia.

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Which button?

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You all have seen this graphic before it as a standard deviation of the runoff.

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You notice that the average that purple line is not changing, but the standard deviation,

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those two lines, and what does that mean that's 60% of the time that's a little over 60%

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that the runoff will be within those lines is moving out on only near fresh and hence

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the statement starting several decades ago, the dry years are getting dry or longer,

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and the what years are getting wet or shorter.

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This means that the firm yield, the ability to supply water, power, is going down literally

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each year at the same time that the flood issues are increasing mathematically.

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To put things in context, the first 60 years, there was a 1% reduction in supplies.

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In the last 60 years, that has moved up to 15% of the time.

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This is, of course, this is going from a 290,000-naked for a reservoir in 1971 to 2,000 and 30,000.

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This is a little, again, that I've really put that into context, and we kind of go into this,

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and the customer academy wins, wins to kind of get a flavor of what we're looking at.

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When we built New Dawn Pedro 1971 to four years to fill it, what I told some business majors

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for Berkeley is that what are the odds of having the driest April-thensional eye after the

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first year that you filled the reservoir of was in 1976. And if you look at it, they're quite

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large. And then what is the odds of having another, the driest year on record, which is 1977.

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So with that new reservoir, you have to go back to the water that was supplied in 1977.

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And you have to go back to about 1910 to find the same

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diversions down the T.A.D. main canal.

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The point of the discussion is we're losing for a meal.

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And this technology we're looking to try to recapture some of that.

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My point is that we're using technology to capture some of the low

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hanging fruit to redevelop this firm yield, the water supply,

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or the power generation, so like last year in January, and all of you is going to go into this,

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when we started making releases in elevation 755, okay. That was unheard of,

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of course you saw the first example of that in 2017 when we started 15 feet below 801.9.

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As I said many a time, prior to this, that would be a fireable offense.

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you let the reservoir fill, then you go to maximum channel capacity to get back down.

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So we need to refine that and put that water through a power plant on the wet side.

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So as soon as it's, as soon as you're in wet conditions,

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the first opportunity you're looking is to cut back the conserve water.

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And then in a dry air, the critical dry air, you're looking for the first opportunity to release water.

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So we're using technology to seek that home because times of essence, we don't have the time to go ahead.

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Yeah, the way I had understood it was that you're talking about the firm yield in the past had been kind of more reliable, right?

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So there's a less-percent DV, like it's really essentially capturing that what we're living in now is the volatility.

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And that you're not really, you know, with this technology, you're literally adapting to climate.

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It's not like it's creating more yield, you're able to maneuver the reservoir.

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Like his example of being able to make those releases early on with the confidence that, you know, that you'd get that water.

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But it's operating a system where it's big huge swings that we've never seen before.

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I come to our flood space as it changed since 1971.

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I submit to you that it will, because we're working Michelle and staff, right?

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Are going to be working with scripts to be working with the Corps of Engineers.

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And this is one avenue.

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And I see ultimately down the road, it'll be a dynamic.

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Yeah, we've been working with the Army Corps, you know, they have 500 dams that they're responsible for, and so they're actually looking to forecast and form reservoir operations, so the Fiero with the Script Institute, what we're looking to use the technology and be able to manage flood control spaces. So instead of actually saying, like, oh, we need more flood control, like physical space, we're able to, they're able to, to get that with just the technology.

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like we used this past year.

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Basically, we mitigated a flood.

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And so they're looking at using that rather than doing

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their old slide cool, just rule of X percent,

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we just need more in the reservoir.

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And so we're trying to illustrate,

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and that's the route that they're wanting to go as well.

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How accurate are you with the snow projections

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and the water content of that snow projection?

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So, I want to ask that question,

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but I want to bring in another platform, the ASO program.

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And so that we just got a measurement, and that was six hundred and quarter, but it was

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plus or minus what, twenty-thirty thousand, so twenty-thirty thousand acre feed out of six hundred

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thousand, and that's to the ASO, and so that value gets put into the HFAM model, or we

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recalibrate the HFAM model, and then now we're going to use the HFAM model as a measurement

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how that's going to come off.

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But if you know that you don't have enough snow

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up there to fill up that flood space,

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could encroach on that flood space, correct?

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Why not?

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We have.

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And we have.

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And so we're going to get into that here.

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When you're 30,000, nothing compared.

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You said 600,000?

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What is that?

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Yes.

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So we have refined that in a literally

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in a decade plus or minus 150,000.

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Say exactly, that's right.

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And it's just going to get better.

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Even though the core is looking at us,

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they haven't officially moved forward.

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So we have 15 days, right?

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So we have that, you've got to get out by 15 days.

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The rules could be the same.

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We're trying to tell the federal government that.

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So technology is coming into the industry,

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the hydrologic industry, and you're

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being these rules change on projects, but it's a slow process.

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I'll slow.

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A lot of bureaucracy, I think that's fair.

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And we're trying to work with three scripts in the relationship there, but also with the Army Corps, too.

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It's a potential to be a pilot.

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So they can, you know, since we're already using this technology, essentially, that they can kind of work with us.

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or a section seven facility which is a little bit different means they don't physically operate it that we still operate it.

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But anyways, that could be the avenue to maybe be the first, so.

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Before you go on west, I was going to ask at the end, but since you already touched on it.

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Could you just make a little clear distinction between the ASO and how we've always recently sort of credited them in that.

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and they're 2 million light hour touch points for the tremendous precision that you

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will live you now have with predicting the ultimate runoff quantities.

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And then connect that to Hydrocomp and how they are needed to, there was you already have

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taken a huge step forward with your accuracy, thanks to the information that you didn't have

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before.

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But connected to Hydrocomp and how you used the ASO information to further inform your operations.

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So I want to have some slides later.

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If you could just.

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I know, but I just touched that one.

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That question.

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I just want to get into it.

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But I'd like to spend about four or five hours.

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But I got the whole team here.

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You hit it right on the head.

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So let me see if I can do this.

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So you actually answered some of it.

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That ASO program represents what I'm talking to people out there.

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It's a ket scan of the watershed is opposed to a thermometer.

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And it is indicative of the health of the watershed.

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How do you articulate the resolution?

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That's how I try to attempt to do that.

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That's what I found most successful.

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So it's a spatial issue.

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So we're not looking at points, but we're looking at the spatial.

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A hydricop model is a spatial model.

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You've seen the grass from a lady that's shown where this snow is.

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So we can overlay those and so this is this is very important so we've got one platform the ASL that now is talking the same language that the HFAM models, which is a special and you can adjust the HFAM model to reality

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Let me define that so the the HFAM model you're putting in param your put the front parameters you're putting in values precip solar radiation

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And in all modern platforms, it starts in there with the National Weather Service, because

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how accurate I can almost see this positively there, they show a lot of volatility in the

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ultimate outcome of their results, that's because of the initial input value.

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So these models, if they're working unguided, they'll flare out.

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Whereas now we can take the best of both worlds.

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we can calibrate the H from all to exactly what's up there.

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Now that we know that, now we can say this is how it's going to come off.

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I didn't do it justice because it is an input.

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It's an input to the model.

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I had just heard they had given this presentation before,

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and I think it's so helpful.

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So I'd love to walk through those slides.

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Because I think even just visually it kind of shows you the answer to your question.

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I guess the one question I have is you said you operate within parameters, who said to

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parameters?

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I want to answer it this way, Olivia.

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Dr. Crawford of Hydricomp created those parameters and created those equations.

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In fact that's the next one here.

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I think this is a very important question and I want to go down a path for that question.

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There's a multitudes, there's an infinite number of answers, but there's a picture one.

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It's not going in.

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So hydrocop, Dr. Crawford,

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I wanted to reason I have a grand kid to do this usually.

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So in 1989, I went over to hydrocop for a week-long course on hydrologic flow development.

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And of course, when I went over there, I thought I had my act together here.

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And the techniques that I can use, that term, that's an embellishment of what we were doing back then,

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It was laid waste during the week.

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I see how the real world operates and how it should operate.

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During that week I was allowed to touch a half million dollars on a micro system workstation.

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That was a big deal back there with some micro system workstation.

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That's a half million dollar machine.

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I was allowed to run some computer code on it.

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We could not afford that of course back in, but what happened was there was an evolution

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between then and 1997.

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of the microprocessors computers got hooked up.

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And in 1996, it had reached a point where they could port that system from a sunmarker system to a desktop computer.

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We had the 1997 flood in the old adage. Never let a good crisis go to waste. We acquired the Asian mob, because we could not answer the very simple question.

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Well, with eight inches of rain Saturday and eight inches, what's the run off going to

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come into it on Pedro?

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Now, ultimately, I guessed, I guessed very accurately, but it's luck, and we shouldn't

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be running our systems on luck.

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It's very important.

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We did not understand, so we acquired the system to understand what it is that the

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water said is doing.

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One of the things I'd like to point out here, there's 1919, 1962, the Stanford

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watershed of model was developed. In 1961, Dr. Crawford wrote a white paper on the possibility

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of doing hydrology modeling on a mainframe computer. That was a year before I was born.

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So we have the gentleman that invented the science working force. I think that's very

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powerful. I want to underline that. Dr. Crawford was the second largest computer years

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in the 60s, second only to the Stanford linear accelerator.

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So he was getting in as pretty deep stuff at the time.

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Dr. Crawford headed up a team that created HSPF.

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You see that was in 1980 and the 70s.

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EPA wanted to do water quality analysis.

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But in order to do that, you have to do the hydrologic analysis.

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And then hydrocomplet was the first entity that I came across

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to look at using history and a stochastic fashion that second graph below there.

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I don't recall anybody doing any thing like that outside of him.

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That's a very powerful way to take volatility and distill it down.

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So with that, Olivia?

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Okay, so with that introduction, we kind of want to discuss a lot of times when we refer to HydroComp,

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we really only talk about the HFAM model.

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So we wanted to make a distinction that there is two components, two hydrocompuls, the modeling component, as well as the consulting component.

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As you heard, Dr. Crawford has a long history, as well as all of his employees in hydrologic modeling and those technologies.

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So under the HM model, you know, majority of the time, real time, we're operating the model.

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But then we also need some amount of support from them to keep the model updated, make improvements to the model as we get new technologies coming in.

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We have to be able to incorporate those technologies.

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We don't have the time or expertise to do those types of things in-house.

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So that's where we lean on them.

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As well as we also have them help with operations support.

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So 2017 when conditions started to ramp up, we called them they came here.

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And so they were here, you know, around the clock running the model, making updates, keeping things in line so that way 2017 operations were smooth through that period.

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And then, finally, there's also that data QAQC component.

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A model is only as good as the data that goes into it.

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Now, unfortunately, we have all of its ranoff of stations, sometimes those stations go out, sometimes those stations get biases on them.

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And as much as, you know, we try and keep a pulse of you see a huge change in your station, we can make those changes.

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But if it's a one or two degree bias on the station, you might not notice that until you have someone be able to come in and look at what, how could we refine that data to then improve the output.

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On the consulting side, we've actually pulled them in not just within our department, but other departments within TID.

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So, for dam safety, hydrocompens performed,

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probable maximum presip and probable maximum flood studies that are necessary for DSOD requirements.

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So, Turlock Lake, and now we're looking at Dom Pedro as well.

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And then they also have used on the water augmentation project.

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So, TID applied for that water rights application.

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And with that, we proposed a bunch of different projects.

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And so with HM, we're able to turn on what projects do we want to look at, which ones do we need to bring online?

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Sooner or rather than later, which have the greatest benefits.

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And then finally, we are also working with them on the weather generator or climate change studies.

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So hydrocomp had been used back in 2011 for a climate change study between the districts, as well as San Francisco on the 12-year watershed.

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We're now looking to make greater improvements to that study to try and then help with all

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these other questions about floodwater rights applications and what projects we might need.

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We want to build a project that will keep us reliable going into the future.

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So kind of honing in a little bit more on the HM model and you guys are pretty familiar

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I'm going to kind of breathe through a lot of this, but what's really impressive is we have

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a constant pulse on what's happening in the watershed. Back, you know, 10, 20 years ago,

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your only information was once a month, you had a study of the watershed, you know, you got

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your snow surveys and you had some idea of what maybe your current state looked like. But after a

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If a precipitation event occurred, what does your watershed look like?

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You really didn't have that understanding.

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You could do some indexes and say, OK, we got three inches of preship.

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So maybe that's 50,000 acre feet.

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And those are the kind of information that you had at that time.

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And knowing how much is actually going to come into the reservoir,

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and how maybe the upper reservoirs might be reacting in those time periods.

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So this gives us that constant pulse on the system.

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And what's really impressive is the amount of years available to us on the meteorology.

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More data is always better whenever you're looking at this, so a lot of models only have

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20 years worth of data.

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Well, we have this 92 years of data, so you get that greater understanding of all the potential

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scenarios that could be out there for how that run off might come off.

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And for reference, you were looking at over 700 land segments and each of those, I could pull a single land segment and look at what is the soil moisture, look like at that exact point within the watershed, what does the snow look like at that point in the watershed.

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So that's the kind of resolution we have available to us.

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Looking at, you know, why we've brought this in and really what HM means to the districts

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and TID.

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It really is kind of the heart of all of our operations and gives us an idea of, you know,

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taking data, which is just a bunch of numbers, and actually getting to where you can have

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actual, actionable decisions from it.

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That's what HM allows us.

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So we're able to continue to be adaptable and nimble by bringing in research new types of forecast data, new types of observed data.

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And then run it through and see, what does that mean for the four-dompudro and for the customers?

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And so an example, I think, would be the ASO program, right? This is one of the new technologies we've brought in.

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And, you know, you go from 17 points within the watershed to now, you know, millions of points within the watershed.

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And what does that do for you? The big thing is, previously, we had a little bit more certainty in future weather, right?

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when you didn't have as much volatility in the climate,

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you had a better tighter bounds on what the future conditions

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were going to be.

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The issue is, then it was okay to have some uncertainty

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in your current state.

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What's happening now is we're seeing an expansion

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of uncertainty in future conditions.

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So we're trying to reduce the uncertainty in our current conditions.

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So in reality, although we're trying to do as much as we

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came with the technology, we're really just trying to claw back

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or accuracy by the end of the year, right?

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If you're expanding uncertainty here, closing it here,

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you're in the same position if you were

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had a lot of uncertainty here and small uncertainty here.

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So that's really the whole purpose

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of why we're making these investments.

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So ASO is part of that reducing uncertainty

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in the real time.

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But the issue is ASO is a snapshot.

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So you get a quick check on how's everything running

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is your inputs correct, but it doesn't tell you when or how that snowpack's going to run off.

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That is the benefit of HFAM.

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So if I had the ASO flight on the 28th of February, now we've had four inches within the water

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shed, I now have HFAM to tell me what did those four inches do within the watershed.

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What did that do to the snowpack in the system?

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So that's how they work together and so for example last year we had almost half of our

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stations were out of commission because they were buried. So we had no information about temperature.

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So what are you feeding your model? You don't have information to feed your model. You're doing your best to try and fill in the gaps.

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But so we use ASO to then look at okay

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We're probably have two warm of temperature assumptions here.

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So we're going to warm that up or cool that station down, fix that data, improve our model

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state to then continue moving forward with our operations.

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And finally, as we were talking about, the real benefit is having a single platformer, your

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part of your operations where you can integrate your new projects and rather than, you know,

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having another consulting company come in, build a standalone model that has no connection

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to any other parts of your watershed and only has use for that single point in time. Benefit

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of incorporating HM is that you have the longevity of that project and you can use it for other

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benefits. So one of the things we have done is expanding the domain of HM. So we've

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to include dry creek because we've realized the importance of being able to forecast at

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ninth street and have those early communications of this is what we what we're releasing

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at Dom Pedro. This is what we're expecting at dry creek and we're finding what we're going to

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do at ninth street. And I think we saw the benefit of that this last year where we were almost

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70 days within four inches of maximum chanel capacity, even with dry creek peaking and having to

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real-time adjustments to DOMP to releases, we kept the river flat.

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And I think that shows some of the benefits from having the dry

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creek information.

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And then finally, we have added in Lagrange Turlock Lake

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that lower system as part of those PMP PMF studies for damn

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safety.

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We ended up actually also using that last year for operations

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of Turlock Lake and the main canal during those storms,

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because we could forecast what was going to happen on Mcdonald Creek and how much flow that

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was going to provide to Turlock Lake and know what should that storage be at. So all those

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components assist us moving forward in the system.

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Yeah, and so that also helped us with generation

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and maximizing Turlock Lake generation for the many hydros, as well as having safe generation out

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to be able to move water through the main canal during 2023.

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And then, you know, part of this is the future

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that what can atrium do to help us look at climate change, right?

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Me hearing that there's going to be a two degree

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sea increase in temperatures.

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That doesn't tell me what I need to do with my reservoir.

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That doesn't tell me what kind of changes I might need to do

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for my operations or what kind of facilities are necessary.

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So that's the benefit of HM is being able to take that information of here's what potential

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future climate meteorological conditions are and look at what does that mean on the hydrology

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side of things. So this is an example of actually running 1,000 years of hourly data coming from

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the weather generator through HM. So if you're thinking 9 million points of data going through

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00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:35,370
all 770 land segments, and you can look at every single one of them through that thousand years.

440
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:38,030
And we're doing that within 20 minutes.

441
00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:45,250
So just then the speed at which we're able to do those types of things, you know, a lot

442
00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:50,430
of models, one, if they're doing this kind of researcher on a monthly yearly basis, definitely

443
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:56,550
not hourly, and you're looking at multiple months of runtime to be able to do that.

444
00:35:56,550 --> 00:36:00,510
So I think that's an impressive capability that we have in-house.

445
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:05,830
And this one actually shows an example of how we used it last year in our operations.

446
00:36:07,230 --> 00:36:11,570
So going, if you're looking at May 15th, is where that observed data ends.

447
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:17,270
We had over 2 million acre feet of snowwater equivalent in the reservoir above the reservoir

448
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:17,970
at that time.

449
00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:24,610
And there was a lot of issues or public concern that we're going to have a big rain on snow

450
00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:27,070
and it's all going to come off at once, right?

451
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:30,450
And, you know, part of us, you know, the hydrologist,

452
00:36:30,690 --> 00:36:31,670
like, that's not possible.

453
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:34,570
There's a certain rate, but at the same time,

454
00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:37,030
maybe within the last 92 years,

455
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:38,930
we haven't seen those conditions.

456
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:43,250
And so, let's look at maybe we need to look at a broader range

457
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:44,610
of meteorological conditions,

458
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:46,130
because we keep breaking records.

459
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:49,210
So, what is actually possible in the system?

460
00:36:49,730 --> 00:36:50,930
And by running that through,

461
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:58,730
we were able to confirm our suspicions of there was only one event in which you see that

462
00:36:58,730 --> 00:37:02,350
really high peak of runoff coming in in the middle of May.

463
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,610
And so the likelihood that you would have that type of event was low.

464
00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:12,390
So you could have that greater confidence to, you know, assure the public of, no, we aren't

465
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:15,070
expecting to have this huge rain on snow event.

466
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:17,390
It can't all run off at once.

467
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:23,090
And I think that's really important for our communications and then our own confidence when we make those statements.

468
00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:29,970
And so, you know, I think, you know, all this is great information, but I think it when you see how...

469
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:38,260
How did we utilize it in real time? I just wanted to go through a couple of success stories and I think

470
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:44,100
it goes to your question about encroaching in the flood control space and if you know what's

471
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:52,140
up there, when can you make those types of decisions? So this is an example of 2018. 2018, we had

472
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:55,620
ASO information telling us that there really wasn't much no pack available.

473
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:59,080
And going into March,

474
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:07,600
We had multiple atmospheric river events that forced us to be encouraged within the flood control space.

475
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,960
As we were moving through, we were talking with the Army Corps.

476
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,220
They were allowing us to stay within that flood control space because, you know, it's there.

477
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,340
So it's purposes for flood control purposes.

478
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,460
But as we were moving through time, they were saying, okay, you're getting a little too far out there.

479
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:26,660
They were getting less comfortable, right?

480
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:31,600
they were asking us to go to max channel capacity in a year in which we know we're not going

481
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:37,760
to get a lot of runoff after this point. So with the ASL information, using scripts

482
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:43,700
and showing, we're not expecting a huge atmosphere griver to come through. And we don't expect

483
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:48,520
to fill our reservoirs, that's what we're using with HFAM combining all of that information,

484
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,080
giving it to the core. We had the confidence to ask the core for a deviation of 150,000

485
00:38:54,080 --> 00:39:01,320
or feet. And they approved it. So I think that all of this allows us for us to feel comfortable

486
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:08,060
to ask that, right? If we had plus or minus 30% error on our current state and sopac, you

487
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:12,180
more than likely wouldn't have made that decision, right? Because the risk of potentially

488
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:18,140
flooding was really high. But because we had the information that, okay, it's a lower risk

489
00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:24,180
for that. And then the army core themselves, they have liability and they, their charge is for

490
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:30,040
flood control purposes. So they need to have enough information from us for them to then

491
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,520
allow for those deviations. So I think this is on the road to getting to the point where we're no

492
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:41,260
longer purely flood, you know, rural curve base of you do your minimum flows until you hit the

493
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:45,520
flood control and then you go a maximum capacity and you're just, you know, cranking the river around

494
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:53,900
You don't have any pre-communications with downstream users and it's a very reactive process.

495
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,260
And I think that's where we're trying to use this technology to be as proactive as

496
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:01,840
possible because we know there's so much uncertainty in the future.

497
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,220
And so when you ask about why isn't the flood control curve changed in a way we've tried

498
00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:14,900
to make it more conditional, we knew last year when we were down, I think it was actually

499
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:21,860
seven, 30 feet, that we were going to more than likely get to our flood control space and

500
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:23,560
encroach within the flood control space.

501
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,420
We'll make that decision early to make higher releases rather than waiting, right?

502
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:33,960
So we almost created another 600,000-acre feet of flood control space force because that's

503
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,900
what was necessary, rather than just assuming 340,000-acre feet is enough.

504
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:46,920
And then in 2018, in the case of we don't need that 340,000 acre feet at a certain time.

505
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,840
You have enough confidence at that time.

506
00:40:49,620 --> 00:40:59,960
So that's the big component, and for us operating right now, we don't have enough confidence in the uncertainty of the future runoff.

507
00:41:00,340 --> 00:41:08,160
We have certainty of what we have right now, but there's too much uncertainty on the precipitation for us to ask for the deviation today.

508
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:22,860
And so, that's where potentially, as we keep moving through the period and that uncertainty in future precipitation and future events goes down that we might be able to make a similar cases 2018 if the conditions are necessary.

509
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:49,820
Make these release. You just do that because that is the least liability that you can incur. So asking them to do this is a major step and then the core granting it is another step.

510
00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:52,780
That first step, you would not do without this thing.

511
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,340
And I guess that answers a lot of my questions.

512
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,340
I really appreciate this slide.

513
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,380
So I haven't said that.

514
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,880
So you are prepared to ask for the deviation again.

515
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:08,340
Especially, and it must help having this model now that you did in 2018

516
00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:09,340
that you did it.

517
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:10,820
So I guess that's my question.

518
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:12,900
Because when you see that you're not going to click the curve,

519
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:13,760
and now you're here.

520
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:15,860
Oh, if we ask for the deviation, that's the possibility.

521
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,580
That's the opportunity.

522
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,220
That's what I wanted to hear.

523
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:24,800
We have a question from the audience.

524
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:48,460
Yeah. Well, we're aware of that, and that's what we're trying to say.

525
00:42:50,850 --> 00:42:54,730
And then I kind of will finish it off. That was an example of water conservation.

526
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:57,410
I do want to give the example of 2023.

527
00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:02,750
Where we were down at 7.30 feet and that was on December 27th.

528
00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:08,470
And that was the day we made the decision to shift from kind of that water conservation mode

529
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:16,650
to now let's go into a flood control mode and so we brought Sherlock Lake up, bringing on many

530
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:22,750
hydros making those decisions and sending out communications and the big reason for that is

531
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:29,310
because we had information and certainty that if we didn't change our operations we were going to

532
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:36,230
encroach in the flood control space by a significant amount by the end of February. And so rather

533
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:42,530
than sitting on our hands and waiting until we actually encroach, we said let's be proactive

534
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:48,050
look at how much water is available in the future and rather than having to buy past flows

535
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:54,130
when you reach that point. Let's try and maximize generation during this period because

536
00:43:54,130 --> 00:44:04,870
why would you hold on to water you know you can't keep. And so if we can bring value to our

537
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:11,470
going from, you know, a minimum flows to maximum channel capacity and be able to slowly ramp

538
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:17,090
that up, have those communications with services like offices of emergency services and

539
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:19,810
letting them know, here's what we're planning to do.

540
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:24,010
This is the track that we're on, here's the releases that we're planning to make, so they

541
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:29,650
could then figure out how to do their staffing and how communicate with the public if

542
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:38,610
evacuations were necessary. So that is another benefit from having this model and, you know,

543
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:44,150
just for reference, if we only had CNFRC and we're using only public products, we would have

544
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:49,330
had only to that first line. So five days of forecasts. And so you would have looked and said,

545
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:55,110
okay, we're going to get to 750. Why would I do anything if I'm only going to get 750? But because

546
00:44:55,110 --> 00:44:59,890
we can look at 16 days of forecast and then look at future hydrology.

547
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,380
We have that point. You can make those longer term decisions and spread out those peaks. And that's really what this allows us is to deal with uncertainty you need time.

548
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:18,140
And that's what all of this allows us. It gives us the time to be able to manage these extremes.

549
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:21,440
So this is recapturing,

550
00:45:24,060 --> 00:45:27,760
the ability when we built the non-pageral of having a true hydroelectric,

551
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,860
where you drive the reservoir down, and you pick it back up and spring.

552
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,660
So this operation right here, we found out that won't work.

553
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,940
Do the six year ago, so we went to our work first part of the 92.

554
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,880
Now we're pulling back some of that hydroelectric operation in the summary area.

555
00:45:51,380 --> 00:46:09,320
And then I just want to finish it off because I think pictures are worth a thousand words of, you know, the first time we really experienced one of those extreme flood events in 1997 where we had to use our uncontrolled spillways and open all the gates and there was a lot of uncertainty.

556
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,600
verse 2017, where there was that early communication, we were able to use purely just our

557
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:23,200
dated spillways and to lock in a value and say okay we're going to target 16,000 CFS rather

558
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,480
than we're just going to let it flow and see how much comes out of 1997 and then looking

559
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:36,540
at how we operated in a two-year drought in 1996 to 1977 and where the reservoir ended up

560
00:46:36,540 --> 00:46:44,160
compared to being able to go through the dryest four years and, you know, 1,000, 100 years

561
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:51,060
are potentially even worse than that. And still have some storage left over within the reservoir.

562
00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:58,120
I think that shows the ability to adapt to these conditions, these longer dry periods,

563
00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:05,000
these wetter wet periods. I would say there's one picture that you're missing. From 1997 to 2017,

564
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:11,180
to, you know, we could have put a picture of February of 2023 with the reservoir, not spilling.

565
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,060
Because I think that's super impactful.

566
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:16,640
When you open those gates, it's millions of dollars to the district of staff time.

567
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,440
It's huge.

568
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,640
And I'll tell you, it's gut-wrenching when you have to open that.

569
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,480
And no, there's life and property downstream.

570
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:30,060
And it's just a huge obligation for the district to be able to utilize technology,

571
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,140
to be able to mitigate that just from ever happening.

572
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:38,180
I think is a huge benefit to the district and really the community.

573
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,400
That's my last slide to if there's any questions.

574
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:44,260
A couple questions.

575
00:47:45,300 --> 00:47:48,120
Lesson, I think you would know or Michelle would know.

576
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:52,820
Our contract with HydroComp mentioned it's HBAMs.

577
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:53,720
We could use the software.

578
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,340
It's licensed software, correct?

579
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:58,800
You half of that is consulting?

580
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:03,600
More than half of that about 340,000.

581
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:11,620
consulting mean. What is it mean? I understand what consulting is but yeah so smart also you know how

582
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:19,200
to use a software. Do you need to ask them questions? So the consulting also has project components

583
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,800
so like this year under consulting is the water augmentation studies, the weather generator studies.

584
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:31,860
So that's where they're actually being involved in the projects to look at, you know, if we add

585
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:32,720
in the projects?

586
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,300
What was that?

587
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:34,620
They helped design the projects?

588
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:35,380
Yes.

589
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:41,340
They look at the hydrologic benefits of those projects, like they're, so the water agmentation

590
00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:45,900
studies, they're actually like kind of pretending like that project exists and they build

591
00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:46,800
the model to...

592
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,180
They don't charge extra for that.

593
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:49,060
That's the consulting.

594
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,300
That's part of the consulting component.

595
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:52,680
We don't charge extra.

596
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:53,760
It's all part of the consulting.

597
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:55,060
It's all within the budget.

598
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,180
Whether you do have projects with them or not, it's a flat area.

599
00:48:59,180 --> 00:48:59,660
No.

600
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,400
The consulting changes by projects.

601
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,560
So, there's the HFAM software component, and we always keep like an amount for, you know,

602
00:49:07,780 --> 00:49:15,780
potential flood risk, and that's about $120,000 of the project is just for the model,

603
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,200
them making a model improvements that aspect.

604
00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:20,820
For the consulting, that's going to change based on projects.

605
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,240
So, it could be that if we have no projects, that you're just doing that, you know,

606
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:33,340
$120,000 for just the model, but the more projects you add, then that's where you have this expansion.

607
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:43,340
So last years, I know, was damn safety used it for the probable maximum flood, so they were redesigning that component.

608
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:47,880
That was the additional consulting, and so this year was the water augmentation studies.

609
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:53,620
The climate generator is really that what she showed you, the, how do you explain that?

610
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:55,540
I'm trying to show the graph of all the

611
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:58,800
requirements of what could potentially happen in the future.

612
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,080
So, as I understand it also, I think this could be helpful for the board,

613
00:50:51,220 --> 00:50:52,300
because it was helpful for me.

614
00:50:53,580 --> 00:50:56,120
Just like if you want to make any tweets to the model at all,

615
00:50:56,180 --> 00:50:57,140
you can't do that.

616
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:58,940
No, we don't.

617
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:01,500
The code is, that's there.

618
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,960
I mean, the computer is a loan.

619
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,160
I mean, it's due to those changes.

620
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:07,280
We might make some suggestions.

621
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:08,020
Like they come.

622
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:09,320
They have the cool thing work.

623
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,660
I just needed it from a business standpoint to ask.

624
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:12,820
No, I understand that.

625
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:15,360
The consulting is, I understand the software.

626
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:16,340
Yeah, yeah.

627
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:18,200
This need to know the consulting basis.

628
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:19,340
Yeah.

629
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,240
No, I understand.

630
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:22,420
You don't need to repeat everything you just said.

631
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,600
So thank you.

632
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Any other questions?

633
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:28,280
As you come to work every day,

634
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:30,720
is there any tools, reports, technology?

635
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,400
Anything out there that you wish you had

636
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,820
that you're not getting now?

637
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,920
I mean, there are some, and that's actually some of the things that we're working with

638
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,020
Scripts on to try and bring some of those in house.

639
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:50,820
So there's Scripts has its own forecasting tool where you can get specific locations for

640
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:54,900
Forecast because right now, if you're using the US or European, you're limited to actually

641
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:55,460
Airports.

642
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:59,400
That's where you can get .4, like accurate .4 cast is Airports.

643
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,860
And there's not a lot of airports in the watershed.

644
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:09,460
So with scripts, we would be able to actually get point forecasts at different locations within the watershed.

645
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,540
So that's something that we're trying to bring online with that relationship.

646
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:22,380
And then there's also some radars that script has that looks at freezing level because, you know, we have these freezing level forecasts,

647
00:52:22,580 --> 00:52:29,980
but actually being able to have an up-looking radar that tracks how that freezing level changes when it goes from the hills into the woods.

648
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:43,160
That gives us a real real-time understanding of where those snow lines are going to be, because it does change a lot throughout a and a bit.

649
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:47,920
I would encourage you in future years, bring those opportunities to the board.

650
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:59,920
Yes, so those are part of the contract, the board, a professor move forward with the relationship with scripts that we'll bring in.

651
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,980
Got them all, your friends, any more questions?

652
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:03,320
No, it's very impressive.

653
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:04,680
Very, very impressive.

654
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,520
Thank you so much.

655
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,360
There's no way we have one for the audience.

656
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:08,060
Is that accurate?

657
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:39,200
Well, you can answer that.

658
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,540
Yeah, so the Army Corps never actually has full control of the dam.

659
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:47,540
So we always have our hand on the throttle, so to speak.

660
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:51,980
It's more of whether or not the Army Corps is going to support our decisions

661
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:54,940
or in the case that something does happen.

662
00:53:54,940 --> 00:54:00,780
lawsuit wise, you know, which side of the table they're going to be on, right? If if they request us to do something

663
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:08,160
And we disregard that we have the ability to do that because we we have ownership of Dom Pedro, but then

664
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,420
We're taking on all of that risk

665
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,160
and liability

666
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,700
Whatever those consequences are from that decision

667
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,740
No, so M.I.D. is because T.I.D. acts as the project manager of Dom Pedro for both districts

668
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:33,820
But as part of building of Dom Pedro, we took on sole flood control responsibility and the relationship with the Army Corps of Engineers.

669
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:38,180
So San Francisco does not have those responsibilities with the Army Corps.

670
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:45,290
There's an old saying that if you enjoy what you do, you never work a day in your life.

671
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:48,330
I believe Wes, you've never worked a day in your life.

672
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:58,840
No, no one enjoys this one. We really, really, really appreciate this. This is a fantastic presentation and really enjoyed it and thank you for all the work you've done.

673
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:08,940
All right, we're going to move on to action items. Resolution adopted in the truck irrigation district, integrated resource plan.

674
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:15,080
Dan Colin, Corey. All right, top that.

675
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,040
We can hear you. You can get started.

676
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:53,820
Well, we can go ahead and start. I think it's on.

677
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,220
Now, yeah, OK, thank you.

678
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,280
So I'm going to kick this off.

679
00:56:00,540 --> 00:56:03,360
And then I'm going to hand it to my esteemed colleagues here.

680
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,820
I had a few words to say, setting some expectations

681
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:14,000
about what the IRP is mapped to 2045.

682
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,840
Those are two distinct and separate things.

683
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:25,680
This IRP is a compliance filing, brought about by SB 100.

684
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:34,060
It requires a certain amount of low-serving entities over a certain size submit plans to the

685
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:42,200
CEC on the next, well, this iteration goes out to 2030, it's a five-year look to 2030.

686
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:53,320
And so, that's kind of, that's what it is, what it isn't, is a comprehensive rate analysis

687
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,460
cost impact.

688
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:03,340
Those are built into the into the model itself and the five-year look, those costs are already

689
00:57:03,340 --> 00:57:09,700
integrated into our purchase power and fuel budget, but I just kind of wanted to make

690
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:14,540
Those points we have Colin and Corey here today.

691
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:17,540
We also have a representative from a send analytics

692
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:20,160
that helped us with the model.

693
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,020
And then a little bit about the roadmap to 2045.

694
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Colin is leading a project that will take a comprehensive look

695
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:36,840
at how we get to net zero per SV100 and the other environmental

696
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:44,320
both greenhouse gas and renewable goals and that will have a variety of scenarios and

697
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:52,780
sensitivities, cost impacts, rate impacts across a whole bunch of timelines and

698
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:59,000
horizons and so stay tuned. We're targeting Q4 to come before you for a

699
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,100
public presentation. With that I'll hand it off to call. Thanks Dan. As he said, the

700
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:12,000
here is meeting the CEC statutory requirements for the IRP filings. We're not focused strictly

701
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,360
on cost. Cost are considered, but that's not what we're reviewing.

702
00:58:18,020 --> 00:58:19,440
Just a quickly level set,

703
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:25,840
the last IRP presented was December 2018. Very different environment back then. We had renewables,

704
00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:32,760
dropping in price precipitously. We forecasted 300,000 per year, megawatt hours per year,

705
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,960
procurements in 24 or 28 or 29.

706
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:38,780
The RFP associated with those procurements,

707
00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:40,820
kind of floundered shortly after COVID,

708
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,820
supply chain issues really hit us there,

709
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:47,960
projects were canceled, project prices rapidly inflated,

710
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:53,060
so we chose to delay that RFP and procured short-term wrecks.

711
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,280
We also saw some of the technologies, I think,

712
00:58:57,380 --> 00:59:00,420
there's been a lot of interest in offshore wind

713
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:03,580
and small modular reactors or small nukes,

714
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,980
they've also had project cancellations and delays.

715
00:59:08,260 --> 00:59:10,200
And that's one of the reasons we don't really consider

716
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,840
those is resources in this IRP, because we're

717
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,840
looking through 2030, very short time horizon

718
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,860
to try to get something like that in our portfolio.

719
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,080
Another big change, partly due to COVID,

720
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:23,240
is our load changed.

721
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:26,020
We saw a significant increase in load.

722
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
I mean, we're supposed to cause more people

723
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,600
staying working from home running air conditioners more. When you add that up for our

724
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,320
PS procurement, that's an extra 1 million mevelin hours of wrecks we need between 2018 and 2030.

725
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:45,240
So those changes show up in the forecast of procurement in this IRP.

726
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:53,160
It's quickly level set. The IRP process how we run this is we have constraints that means meeting the

727
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,960
ECRPS targets, the targets from SB 100, the GHG reduction targets.

728
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:16,700
We also take into account our internal planning numbers such as load, which incorporates electric vehicles, energy efficiency, and our customer solar, reliability, ramping requirements, and we'll touch on that a little bit later, reserve requirements, and also what we currently have in our portfolio.

729
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:27,760
All those are considered and wrapped up into the first portion, and we're working with the sin this time, and they have two step modeling process. The first is the ARS model, which is a capacity expansion.

730
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:35,480
It considers the constraints, available resources, and selects the least cost resource procurement plan.

731
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:46,920
From there, it runs it through the power sim model, which is an hourly dispatch, which we need the hourly dispatch to show how we actually meet energy balance in those future years.

732
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,980
Because that's what we use to submit and finalize the information that goes to the CEC.

733
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:59,460
The output, we get resource procurement, so we'll be able to review forecasted, not really

734
01:00:59,460 --> 01:01:03,760
forecasted, but this is, like Dan said, this is a statutory filing.

735
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,140
It is a single path.

736
01:01:06,460 --> 01:01:11,580
The roadmap will consider a lot of scenarios and sensitivities and really hone in on cost

737
01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:12,560
impact to the district.

738
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,100
That's not what this is.

739
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,300
The power scenario this batch shows least cost-dispatch and need load while meeting all of the

740
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,240
and RPS procurement targets.

741
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:29,100
Given example of our load change between 2024 and 2030,

742
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,320
this is an average day in July,

743
01:01:33,420 --> 01:01:35,440
and this is due to the proliferation of customer

744
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,960
behind the meter solar.

745
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,500
You see, our load ramps change quite a bit.

746
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,780
Our peak is higher and in a different hour

747
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:46,260
than it is this year, and this will really impact

748
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:48,600
the benefit or capacity benefit

749
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,660
you get from non-dispatible resources.

750
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:56,860
The more solar you add, if your peak load is after sun goes down, you're not going to be reducing

751
01:01:56,860 --> 01:02:01,180
your capacity need by adding solar to your system, and that's all considered.

752
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,680
And this is something that's new, working with a send, compared to our last IRP, we have

753
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,900
ELCCs, which is effective load carrying capacity, it's the essentially how much capacity

754
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:19,600
value get from these renewable or not dispatchable resources.

755
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,540
And the scale, the y-axis is different between the two charts.

756
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:31,400
Mostly, it's necessary so you can see the renewables on the left to distinguish them from each other,

757
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,840
but they drop very quickly to essentially zero.

758
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,300
So once you add 200 megawatts, and these are specific calculations to TID.

759
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,860
There's, we could have had other slides.

760
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,740
There's a lot of background information on how ELCC is calculated,

761
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:51,160
but it's the relationship between the, the generation from these resources and TIDs specific load profile.

762
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,120
Batteries on the right, you can see both for four-hour and eight-hour batteries.

763
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,160
Those have significantly higher capacity value,

764
01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:05,740
meaning how they can help us meet our peak loads because we can schedule them.

765
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,560
But they are a finite energy resource. That's why they're not a hundred percent.

766
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:16,160
Because once you reduce load a particular amount, it spreads it out over time, you need a much larger battery.

767
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,380
You didn't add cost, so if you were adding cost, that would change that dramatically as well.

768
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:26,280
Cost were considered in the expansion process.

769
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:33,100
We're just not focused on what the cost is to the district, because it would conflict with the budget process.

770
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:40,320
And it would also possibly have significant deviations from the roadmap, which we're going to be much more robust as far as cost is considered.

771
01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:46,360
because this is focused on meeting the CEC requirements.

772
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,940
The roadmap is not going to be strictly speaking.

773
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:52,920
The process is not set based on what their requirements are.

774
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,340
It's what we are saying and what we want to look at.

775
01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:58,640
The other roadmap is the story that we want to tell.

776
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,940
Very specific to TID so we can consider and focus on our time on things that have more importance to us.

777
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:15,800
So, this is the model capacity expansion through 2030, the procurement in 2026, which is 94

778
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,900
megawatts of solar and 100 megawatts of battery to our battery.

779
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:21,400
Those are currently in negotiation.

780
01:04:21,820 --> 01:04:24,320
These are projects we've brought before before.

781
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,220
So those are still in the works.

782
01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:29,720
2027 shows significant procurement.

783
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,780
80 megawatts in both Southern California and Northern California for our solar.

784
01:04:34,780 --> 01:04:40,400
50 megawatts of geothermal and geothermal is kind of a surprise just because it's more expensive

785
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:46,580
but you do have significant capacity benefit and lots of renewables, lots of renewable production

786
01:04:46,580 --> 01:04:51,420
because it's high capacity factor. So, a smaller capacity but a lot of renewables are produced

787
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:58,840
and then some slight procurement out in the curve, 10 megawatts of more solar in 7 California

788
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,600
only in 28 and at 40 megawatts of New Mexico wind.

789
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:07,520
And one of the constraints we also put was, you know, there's difficulties in building

790
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,080
transmission.

791
01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:09,280
It takes time.

792
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:13,680
So we didn't assume a lot of transmission availability to bring out of state renewables

793
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:14,460
to our system.

794
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,940
So if you look at our full portfolio, the thing that stands out to me here, thermals are still

795
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:27,500
in our system through 2030, and we'll touch on that meeting our RA requirements later.

796
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:37,300
But going from around 850 to 900 megawatts named plate capacity with the currently under negotiation, currently being negotiated,

797
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:46,060
procurements for solar and storage that brings us to around 1100 and then we'll jump up to 1350 or so, through 2030.

798
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,940
Very high as far as name plate goes.

799
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,340
If you look at the capacity to benefit those renewables are worth close to zero, but that's the important reason for having thermals this meeting,

800
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:57,640
those peak capacity needs.

801
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,640
So this is our forecasted.

802
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,740
One and two load is the solid black line.

803
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:05,200
The dashed line is our array obligation.

804
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,860
So moving on from the capacity expansion to the portfolio

805
01:06:12,860 --> 01:06:16,080
of dispatch or the hourly dispatch,

806
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,000
we did stochastics working with the send.

807
01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:21,320
We've talked about that before.

808
01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:24,480
So this is able to take into account the relationship

809
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,520
between our load renewable production, hydro, availability,

810
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,320
and dispatch accordingly,

811
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,100
our sum of results is we're focused on the mean for all the results, all simulations.

812
01:06:43,050 --> 01:06:49,670
Now, this looks somewhat messy, but the important thing here is we pulled this data in number format.

813
01:06:49,850 --> 01:06:54,170
It's an energy balance table. It's demonstrating how we meet our load in the future to the CEC.

814
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:59,550
A couple of big changes, geothermal provides a lot of base load resource further out the curve.

815
01:07:00,510 --> 01:07:08,150
Thermal production starts to go down in 2027, that's largely due to the aim to meet the GHG targets,

816
01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:12,070
and we shift from having significant exports to more imports.

817
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:23,320
The resource procurement table shows a lot of procurement in 27, like we touched on,

818
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,580
because you get a lot of wrecks from geothermal.

819
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,760
You can see that dark brown color, even though it's a smaller capacity.

820
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:40,320
And even though we're reporting through 2030, the modeling did consider through 2045, so we looked at all the cost curves through 2045 for resource procurement.

821
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:46,280
And the reason that's important is we're looking to go to RFP this spring for more renewables.

822
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:54,320
This leads us to believe that cost curves would justify early procurement for renewables.

823
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:02,460
So, even though it's above our line right there, this doesn't present post 2030, but post 2030,

824
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:04,840
our requirements continue to rise.

825
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:08,350
Budget.

826
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:12,890
That price is going up in the future.

827
01:08:13,650 --> 01:08:18,130
So it'd better to lock in a fixed price resource now, you get that benefit, and you get

828
01:08:18,130 --> 01:08:21,730
to bank the resource, and use it for future obligations rather than procuring it than

829
01:08:21,730 --> 01:08:22,810
at higher price.

830
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:25,910
Budget prices are going to go up in the future.

831
01:08:26,810 --> 01:08:33,710
Well, that's a good point, and that's one reason that this is a scenario to comply.

832
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:38,590
We want to be clear, this is not a commitment that this is the path that we are suggesting

833
01:08:38,590 --> 01:08:48,450
right now. But when the spring comes, it's going to be extra focus on how the prices and

834
01:08:48,450 --> 01:08:54,030
products were offered in the spring compared to delaying to future procurement. Because the other

835
01:08:54,030 --> 01:09:00,470
side is, if you're banking on prices going down, and prices go up, which is what happened

836
01:09:00,470 --> 01:09:03,750
post-COVID, you're now wearing that risk, too.

837
01:09:04,330 --> 01:09:08,550
So I mean, in general, we would be taking a balanced approach, but it gave us, this was

838
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:15,410
a little bit of a surprising result, and going long early, but it is based on the cost projections.

839
01:09:15,690 --> 01:09:19,850
So that's one thing in the roadmap, there'd be more sensitivities, as far as Costco.

840
01:09:19,850 --> 01:09:20,550
heavy

841
01:09:28,810 --> 01:09:36,570
competition, from utilities all over the state. There's no less than 30, I think now.

842
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:44,410
Community choice aggregators that are cities and counties that have come together to take control of their

843
01:09:44,410 --> 01:09:51,610
energy procurement that operate in IOU territories and they're very active in the in this space.

844
01:09:51,610 --> 01:10:05,890
And the corporates, too, data centers or quantities of load and a lot of them expressed very strong interest in being lower in meeting, you know, basically cleaning up their portfolio.

845
01:10:06,810 --> 01:10:07,550
Read about that.

846
01:10:08,090 --> 01:10:14,330
These large language model AI conversations, they consume vast amounts of electricity to run.

847
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:17,510
More than I had any comprehension of.

848
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:21,850
30 seconds and explain new geothermal thermal thermal.

849
01:10:22,030 --> 01:10:24,530
So we do have geothermal in a portfolio right now.

850
01:10:24,670 --> 01:10:26,790
It's a very small portion.

851
01:10:27,230 --> 01:10:29,670
New geothermal is basically the capacity expansion.

852
01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:33,090
The proposed or modeled addition to our portfolio.

853
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:35,730
It's a geothermal resource in California.

854
01:10:38,050 --> 01:10:44,890
Yeah, it would be something that would come out of an RFP, you know, technology-wise.

855
01:10:44,890 --> 01:10:50,450
but Geothermal runs flat out 24-7 at a high capacity

856
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:53,950
and that's where it might be higher priced in energy,

857
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:57,570
but the capacity benefits really tilt the scales

858
01:10:57,570 --> 01:11:01,150
in its favor because it's available all the time.

859
01:11:03,150 --> 01:11:04,050
I just want to correct myself.

860
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:05,930
It doesn't necessarily have to be in California,

861
01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:08,650
but to comply with California RPS rules,

862
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:10,690
it could be in Nevada or Arizona,

863
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:11,950
as long as it's interconnected.

864
01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:12,670
Yeah, California.

865
01:11:12,970 --> 01:11:14,490
First transmission and everything,

866
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:22,890
social with. It's requirements for carbon RPS. So for the bucket one consideration for us to

867
01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:28,150
even consider it, they would have to have transmission to California. If they didn't, it wouldn't even

868
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:35,130
be a consideration for us. Yeah, I was also going to add, if we procure early, the question is, you know,

869
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:40,730
it looks like we're procuring a lot early. Doing that does give us the optionality, like if we had a bunch

870
01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:45,090
of wrecks now, now that the pricing is really high and we could have monetized that and made quite a bit of money.

871
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:48,830
So having that pool of raxi is also optionally.

872
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:50,970
I'd like to just think it wrong.

873
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:54,290
OK, now the utilities are looking at for care

874
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:55,830
and early as well.

875
01:11:56,350 --> 01:11:59,290
Just that there's a lot of demand right now for renewables.

876
01:12:00,050 --> 01:12:02,030
That one everybody's doing something we should buy

877
01:12:02,030 --> 01:12:02,990
to the opposite.

878
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:05,250
That's the way it seems like it worked out over time.

879
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:07,070
I mean, at some point I'll put you on notice, Josh,

880
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:08,530
it would be nice to hear what's happening in Sacramento.

881
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:10,390
Because I understand there's a lot of room

882
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:13,450
or sort of a thrill around about pushing back deadlines

883
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:18,330
in order to help prevent spikes of cost in urban areas.

884
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:23,470
And so I think it's rumor and speculation at this point, but I'm curious your perspective as an insider.

885
01:12:23,870 --> 01:12:25,810
Not right now, I'll give you time to think about what you're going to say.

886
01:12:26,770 --> 01:12:31,370
But certainly, or come on up, certainly, we didn't...

887
01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:33,670
He said, we had the same idea that we had the same idea that we had.

888
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:34,850
We had the same idea that we had the same idea that we had.

889
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:35,790
We were on the bleeding edge.

890
01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:36,630
We were on the bleeding edge.

891
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:36,910
We were on the bleeding edge.

892
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:38,110
We were on the edge of the bleeding edge.

893
01:12:38,130 --> 01:12:39,650
That project was done.

894
01:12:39,650 --> 01:12:43,950
And the only thing wrong was rate based, and it was the best intentions, but on that

895
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:45,610
one, the prices came way down.

896
01:12:46,210 --> 01:12:52,130
And so I think we're all nervous about lurching forward, especially if there's a time

897
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:54,290
when there's a seems like a concentration of demand.

898
01:12:56,210 --> 01:12:59,990
I think Josh is going to hit on it though, but there's a lot of concern in the right now

899
01:12:59,990 --> 01:13:02,010
with rising energy prices.

900
01:13:02,490 --> 01:13:08,070
So to your point, Hannah Josh has been very keen and very excited about the roadmap project

901
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:14,110
because it's really going to develop some hard and fast-talking points about what the rate

902
01:13:14,110 --> 01:13:17,650
impacts and what the costs are to do the environmental policies.

903
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:22,170
Yeah, a couple of points, one not smart enough to set the table so I'm going to stand back

904
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:22,450
here.

905
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:22,870
Be either.

906
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:30,050
No, the conversation, so I've been here nine years now, the first four were how fast can

907
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:35,770
we speed up every climate change policy to get it adapted and moving even quicker.

908
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:43,670
Then we saw with the three years of grid issues in the summer, we saw some holding back

909
01:13:43,670 --> 01:13:49,070
in terms of reliability, like let's make sure that we have enough system on board, that's

910
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:54,290
why they did the strategic capacity reserves, of course they're building more natural gas facilities.

911
01:13:54,990 --> 01:14:01,830
And then what we've seen in the last year is a large concern for cost of what's happening, especially

912
01:14:01,830 --> 01:14:06,110
in the last 10 years, or rates have gone up 124%.

913
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:12,610
There's a lot of concern about the income-based rates on the IOU's options.

914
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:16,630
But then just looking at the sheer scale of what California has committed,

915
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:19,630
you tell these to procure to get to 2045.

916
01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:23,090
We don't have the transmission to build that.

917
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:27,030
We don't have the capacity in terms of renewables to get there.

918
01:14:27,150 --> 01:14:31,590
They're projecting that load in California will go up more than double.

919
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:34,730
And so with that in mind, it speaks to their points.

920
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:39,290
Every utility is going to have to procure to meet those goals, regardless.

921
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:45,890
And so what we are starting to hear is not necessarily scaling back those timelines.

922
01:14:46,330 --> 01:14:52,030
Right? The RPS is pretty set. It's set in statute, 60% by 2035 or 2030.

923
01:14:52,430 --> 01:14:57,710
The 100% is zero carbon. While there's some interim goals, they're not the exact same.

924
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:59,970
And so you might see some softening.

925
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,080
On those implementations but the first one for that is 2035. So the conversation is a better conversation

926
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,540
that they've had the last couple years, at least consideration of can we actually meet these,

927
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:17,080
what's going to be the cost and implications of that, what's reliability, implications of that.

928
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:22,740
What realm does natural gas actually have to play in California realistically because it has to be part of our

929
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:29,340
portfolio. And so the reason I'm excited about this road map because for TID, I think the conversation

930
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:34,900
is amongst utilities, how can we get there with zero consideration of cost

931
01:15:34,900 --> 01:15:40,220
implications to customers? And so this process will take off the

932
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:43,620
rose color glasses for how we actually are going to do that. What makes

933
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:46,800
some sense in terms of reliability for our customers and where are the

934
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,940
different pathways to do it? And so things can be a tremendous opportunity and

935
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:54,220
something that I can personally lobby with whenever one of these bills

936
01:15:54,220 --> 01:15:58,080
come out and we can say here's the implication, right? Because they always say

937
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:04,340
So, red herring that you say the cost are going to go up and then they cite that utility rates of state low rather than the actual bills.

938
01:16:04,860 --> 01:16:14,060
But this can cite specifically for TID, based off of the different scenarios we ran, bill projections would increase this way to meet state requirements.

939
01:16:14,660 --> 01:16:19,240
And so I think it's a tremendous effort that the team is undertaking here.

940
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:34,800
Gosh, you mentioned the natural gas reliability in the state, any talk at all about how you can keep these projects online, you know, the cost get nowhere to them when they're running very, very few hours a year.

941
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:43,720
Yeah, there's definitely more consideration of what you're going to do with the existing natural gas sleep, so the ones through cooling centers have been extended a little bit longer.

942
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:51,500
Obviously, Diabla has been extended, and so extending that existing capacity while they add batteries is being talked about.

943
01:16:52,020 --> 01:16:56,400
They haven't talked about dollars and cents getting into these planets to keep them operational.

944
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:57,600
Not specific.

945
01:16:58,180 --> 01:16:58,280
Not specific.

946
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,140
Yeah, I'll admit it, extension.

947
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:00,180
No.

948
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:05,880
But do you change the dollar forecast model to keep them viable option for reliability?

949
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:12,440
There has, in the past, and I'll use Sutter generating station as an example, it's a facility

950
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:13,400
owned by CalPine.

951
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,280
It was identified by the ISO as a critical facility for reliability.

952
01:17:17,780 --> 01:17:22,200
It didn't pencil out, they wanted to shutter the plant because it was losing money, and

953
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:27,540
the state stepped up and paid them to stay online and available, and that's one concept.

954
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,220
There's a potential there.

955
01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:36,800
something done statewide for all facility, not just practical facility by facility, they need to come out with a way to

956
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:36,980
that.

957
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:49,200
Yeah, we've seen in the last couple, or probably four or five years ago, there was consideration of a stacking order for natural gas plants in California starting from the dirtiest facility to the cleanest.

958
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:53,580
And then moving forward, you should obviously run the cleanest, right? And that was a conversation.

959
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:58,960
And that conversation is not happening anymore, because I think that people are still understanding

960
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,960
that the existing capacity we need that right now.

961
01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:04,680
And so that conversation at least hasn't happened.

962
01:18:05,460 --> 01:18:09,900
There are some people that still talk about building new, you know, they're looking at,

963
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,020
as other states are starting to remove their moratorium on, on nuclear, is that something

964
01:18:15,020 --> 01:18:19,320
that California would potentially consider after 2030, once some of these small modular

965
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,200
reactors are going.

966
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:26,660
So at least the conversation is happening, but there's going to need some political courage

967
01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:27,680
at the state level.

968
01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:33,160
I just have a frank conversation about the goals we've set and can we actually get there?

969
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:39,020
I think my biggest fear is it's exactly what you're alluding to, and it shouldn't just be

970
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:41,540
picking and choosing, and I think that's exactly what's going to happen.

971
01:18:41,780 --> 01:18:45,300
And so I think that's why it's super imperative that we get this report done.

972
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:54,360
I've also been working with CMUA and I know NCPA is doing something similar with all of their utilities under them of kind of the same idea

973
01:18:54,360 --> 01:19:02,380
So there's actually it's kind of been quiet about what does that actually mean a lot of utilities have been kind of quiet about it

974
01:19:02,380 --> 01:19:06,880
And so that will be really helpful when we're trying to mitigate you know

975
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:12,300
Maybe just that the cherry picking of the wood natural gas facility gets to stay on or not

976
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:17,840
And so I think it'll be really helpful, but, you know, to see into the future, I don't know.

977
01:19:19,340 --> 01:19:24,060
Yeah, there hasn't been any bills this year about speeding up the targets, which I consider

978
01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:26,260
a really good thing.

979
01:19:26,580 --> 01:19:29,780
There's been considerable bills over the last year is about transmission.

980
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,300
How can we speed up transmission?

981
01:19:32,140 --> 01:19:35,900
Because we don't have the transmission for all the new generation that has to be built.

982
01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:38,840
And so that is going to be a huge issue.

983
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:44,260
and so they're starting to try to focus in that area as well and then there's significant

984
01:19:44,260 --> 01:19:50,120
investment that's needed at ports in terms of offshore wind because from a state perspective,

985
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:56,420
the state plans have 25 gigawatts of that by 2045 and we have zero today right and it's

986
01:19:56,420 --> 01:19:56,940
a significant.

987
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:00,660
Thank you Josh.

988
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:01,600
Appreciate it very much.

989
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,280
One quick question for you, Colin, while we're on the same theory here, thermal projections

990
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:11,160
drop in 2027 of our own system, is that you idling gas plants or is that just a model?

991
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,420
A little bit of both. I mean, the dispatch considers both the constraints of the GHG targets,

992
01:20:17,620 --> 01:20:22,080
but also pricing. There was just an economical constraint because of the cost of the GHG.

993
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:27,460
Not just, it's both of them together. So there will be times where the thermals will be out of the

994
01:20:27,460 --> 01:20:32,460
money and we're procuring from the market. And there will be times where we maybe would have preferred

995
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:35,300
dispatch them, but to me, GHG targets, we do throttle.

996
01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:37,020
Thank you.

997
01:20:39,220 --> 01:20:44,600
One last question on the NIM-1 on our solar behind the meter of NIMs.

998
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:46,280
We cured those wrecks.

999
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:48,080
We really use those or not.

1000
01:20:51,660 --> 01:20:53,320
NIM-1 customers that we have.

1001
01:20:53,500 --> 01:20:55,800
Some that we issued rebates for.

1002
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:57,140
We use those wrecks.

1003
01:20:57,820 --> 01:20:59,680
It's clear that we own those wrecks.

1004
01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:04,620
No potential to use the wrecks on all the other behind the meters.

1005
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,460
If we bought those wrecks from those customers.

1006
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:16,140
There is, they would be what's called Bucket 3, though, versus Bucket 1, and it's just,

1007
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:21,100
but the ones that we owned, the original ones, those were Bucket 1, so they were actually 3,

1008
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:26,140
yeah, a lot of them were actually Bucket 0, because they're grandfathered pre-2009.

1009
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:32,160
Same exact, ones went from Bucket 1 to Bucket 3, basically, right, behind the meter, both

1010
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:32,680
they were using.

1011
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:42,180
We are, you know, part of the roadmap process is also looking at, you know, how we treat solar, how do we want our solar programs to look right now?

1012
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:53,420
We've, we've followed what the law says, but there's, there's some room there to empower our customers to help us meet the goals that we are going to otherwise do anyway.

1013
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:56,920
If that makes sense.

1014
01:21:57,380 --> 01:21:58,560
That's not currently in our roadmap.

1015
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,060
If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if we like a three, then we'll do so.

1016
01:22:02,140 --> 01:22:03,980
It will be part of the discussions going forward.

1017
01:22:03,980 --> 01:22:06,200
Yeah, that's dirty.

1018
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:17,250
That's fine.

1019
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:19,270
This is now wanting to move.

1020
01:22:19,470 --> 01:22:19,770
Frozen.

1021
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:24,740
Take that as an opportunity to buy a break.

1022
01:22:29,150 --> 01:22:29,290
Huh?

1023
01:22:32,770 --> 01:22:35,450
That's not a good one.

1024
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,180
It looks on.

1025
01:22:54,270 --> 01:22:57,890
When I wish I was Brian and had a dad job,

1026
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:06,120
you know,

1027
01:23:08,630 --> 01:23:09,530
we

1028
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:14,830
got

1029
01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:24,850
it, we got it, we got it.

1030
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:25,130
help.

1031
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:34,140
This is showing the annual GHG emissions through 2030. The black line is our net emissions

1032
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:38,860
for TID and we do come in below the targets for 2030

1033
01:23:42,190 --> 01:23:43,710
and questions on this one.

1034
01:23:48,170 --> 01:23:48,210
So,

1035
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:56,410
summary at a high level, load is projected to grow 0.6%. This is a 50% higher growth rate in

1036
01:23:56,410 --> 01:24:03,810
our last IRP so load is growing faster than we had originally projected. Customer solar is projected

1037
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:12,130
go to 93 megawatts by 2030. That's also higher than our last projection. EVs forecasted to

1038
01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:18,310
get up to close to 2% alone. This time it's lower vehicles but now we do have medium duty and

1039
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:25,750
heavy duties considered through 2030. But the real big takeaway is we need more renewables to meet

1040
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:27,350
the RPS targets.

1041
01:24:28,690 --> 01:24:31,730
Based on the projections to the capacity expansion,

1042
01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:36,570
we're projecting a 250,000 megawatt hours per year

1043
01:24:36,570 --> 01:24:40,170
in 2026, that's currently under negotiation.

1044
01:24:40,990 --> 01:24:42,330
And then all the other future procurements

1045
01:24:42,330 --> 01:24:47,190
would be through Renewable RFP in 2728, 2030.

1046
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:51,070
At 940,000 megawatt hours a year, 30,000

1047
01:24:51,070 --> 01:24:52,810
in the 140,000 respectively.

1048
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:58,630
But like we've talked about, I want to reiterate, we'll take the best options at those times.

1049
01:24:58,910 --> 01:25:01,070
It's not necessarily going to have to be that number.

1050
01:25:01,210 --> 01:25:05,350
It'll be the best value to TID and what fits best within our portfolio.

1051
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:12,850
Any intermittent resources added to TID system, we would be looking to add flexible resources

1052
01:25:12,850 --> 01:25:16,450
like storage to help balance the uncertainty in the load.

1053
01:25:17,770 --> 01:25:21,570
The benefit there with resources in system, particularly the one that's under negotiation,

1054
01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:23,830
it does help us meet our GHG targets.

1055
01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:30,950
And the final takeaway is filing this RAP if approved

1056
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:34,350
would meet the CEC requirements for us B350 filings.

1057
01:25:35,950 --> 01:25:46,200
Oh, growth is net of solar generation. Our customer generation. Do you seems pretty

1058
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:50,920
conservative? Yes. We're actually in the process of updating our load forecast now.

1059
01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:56,900
Yes, so that's one of the things that we'll be considered quite heavily in the roadmap process.

1060
01:25:57,220 --> 01:26:09,720
We're talking about the roadmap process and that one stands up to me is load growth is, you know, this is that number is how much expansion do we have like residential subdivisions and that kind of thing.

1061
01:26:09,860 --> 01:26:14,840
What it's hard to project though is how how electrification will come under the system.

1062
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,300
for about the video chip and the I chip and how.

1063
01:26:18,860 --> 01:26:24,660
Yeah, and, and the EVs, how many chargers are going to be on record or worse, and

1064
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:27,660
helmet, natural gas is going to switch from natural gas to electric.

1065
01:26:27,860 --> 01:26:33,040
Like those are the things that I think the roadmap is going to have this sensitivity ban to

1066
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:33,800
say, you know what?

1067
01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:37,360
Let's go to 25% load increase and what happens.

1068
01:26:38,380 --> 01:26:44,120
So I know we keep pitching the roadmap, but it is going to be a comprehensive study.

1069
01:26:46,580 --> 01:26:55,260
You're point director I was I was up and click it down county visiting the wind farm last week and I had a conversation with one of the click it to add officials

1070
01:26:55,260 --> 01:27:04,020
They're small small utility right they have like a thousand customers there being approached left and right because the abundance of energy in this in in the area

1071
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:08,780
For 500 megawatt thousand megawatt data centers

1072
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:11,160
Those run 24 seven

1073
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:23,600
Yeah, they say that the new chip, the H100 GPU chip, or something to video, the power needs will be just like a Phoenix Arizona.

1074
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,780
That's how much energy these things are taking.

1075
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:29,040
It's incredible.

1076
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:30,240
Yeah.

1077
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:30,740
Good.

1078
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,080
Any further questions?

1079
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:35,920
Good.

1080
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:36,120
Thanks.

1081
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:37,640
Thank you.

1082
01:27:37,940 --> 01:27:38,820
Actually, I...

1083
01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:39,560
Yes, it is.

1084
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:46,940
So we need to raise this a resolution some of them off of the resolution all off of that

1085
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:49,480
Interfer

1086
01:27:49,980 --> 01:27:50,940
Dr. Sanders

1087
01:27:50,940 --> 01:27:58,420
Dr. France yes, director Alamo. Yes, director Yonan. Yes, and director Macedo. Yes, thank you gentlemen

1088
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,360
Yeah, one last question any chance that you can get calpine like absolutely for the alamo GT

1089
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:09,060
Which you can do. Thank you sounds good. Keep it going for as long as you can

1090
01:28:17,140 --> 01:28:22,360
like it deal for anybody that keeps your plan online for reliability.

1091
01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:27,880
Well, but Michelle's pointing out that it's such a regulated, you've got winners and losers

1092
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:32,800
getting figured should be in a market-based system that, with a dollar value put on the

1093
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:37,520
GHG, the free market systems should work, there was a dirtier plant should get idle first

1094
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:42,180
economically, so there's kind of a, there's kind of a, there's kind of a, but they need

1095
01:28:42,180 --> 01:28:45,740
to make sure they have enough plant online for the middle of the summer and no, no one

1096
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:51,180
level there. You got a smokey cloudy day. I understand. I feel like reliability may be the

1097
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:53,700
lunch pin for us. Right. I won't be. Yeah.

1098
01:28:56,110 --> 01:28:58,910
Okay. We're going to move on to resolution setting

1099
01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:01,490
the 2024 irrigation season. Mr. Gavarian.

1100
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:03,390
Four gentlemen. You done this before?

1101
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:13,990
Let's see. 37 times. I think. I can't remember. I'm getting old. So today's the resolution

1102
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:18,490
to approve the 2020 or the irrigation season last week we did the preview.

1103
01:29:19,690 --> 01:29:24,010
So what today at Basia is just to kind of go over kind of what we did last week.

1104
01:29:25,130 --> 01:29:29,210
So as we brought to you this last week the replacing water part of this.

1105
01:29:29,250 --> 01:29:33,390
We're going to start putting these in the spreadsheets from now on the presentations

1106
01:29:33,390 --> 01:29:36,670
to memorialize the programs that we have.

1107
01:29:36,990 --> 01:29:41,190
So at any time anybody wants to go back, they can review kind of what the projects are

1108
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:44,470
what the programs are, what the possibilities are for those irrigation seasons.

1109
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:47,210
I won't go over this again, we did this last week.

1110
01:29:49,150 --> 01:29:55,510
So the details basically is the start date is we're going to propose again March 21st.

1111
01:29:55,650 --> 01:29:59,970
I inadvertently put October 31st as Wednesday, you know, it was at-

1112
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,260
30th is Wednesday, October 30th, 30th. Calls are open on Wednesday, March 20th. Let's say the order

1113
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:12,680
of water will be that Saturday, which is October 26th. They have a water per the again by the

1114
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:17,780
review. It says earlier in 48 inches of water, water rate schedules, normal rate, fixed water

1115
01:30:17,780 --> 01:30:29,980
charge, $60, and so on as far as the tears. Government rotation is two weeks on the

1116
01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:42,740
The resolution is all set up as far as we did previously regarding if something does change on the weather side of things that we will either push it back if we need to if the weather continues to be wet.

1117
01:30:43,340 --> 01:30:46,100
But right now we're looking at the 21st to choose start the season.

1118
01:30:47,500 --> 01:30:50,060
That's the resolution that today if there's any questions from the board.

1119
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:56,040
Can you clarify what part was it inadvertently normally you run till October 31st right well

1120
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:02,260
We normally run the win the last Wednesday of the month. Well, I am really to the counter and in Coup wrong

1121
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:07,260
I thought it was October 31st now October 31st is a Thursday not a Wednesday

1122
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:13,820
So we moved it to the Wednesday. I'd normally do I see so 30 first isn't a magic date. No, it's just

1123
01:31:13,820 --> 01:31:17,100
Usually, again, goes the last Wednesday of October.

1124
01:31:17,420 --> 01:31:21,020
Last Wednesdays on October 30th, this year, not the 31st.

1125
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,220
Yeah, it's October 30th.

1126
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,660
What if you added a week and went to November 6th?

1127
01:31:26,660 --> 01:31:29,500
Not the beginning of the season, the way that weather before guys

1128
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:30,080
is looking.

1129
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,100
So in other words, my thought is, delay a week,

1130
01:31:34,340 --> 01:31:38,980
maybe start in the 28th of March, or start dribbling it in,

1131
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:40,640
slow but sure, and do it your way.

1132
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:42,640
But then out of week on the end.

1133
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,520
So, as we add weeks to the end of the season, that does affect our maintenance schedule.

1134
01:31:50,380 --> 01:31:55,140
And we find out and we're realizing that we have less and less of a time frame to do maintenance work,

1135
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,860
because of weather conditions and because of the process that we have.

1136
01:31:58,700 --> 01:32:02,360
So, we could very easily move it to another week if you'd like to.

1137
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:08,220
If the board is considering that, I would strongly suggest the board do that today and not wait,

1138
01:32:08,220 --> 01:32:13,980
because what does happen is that farmers plan for end of the season with the last

1139
01:32:13,980 --> 01:32:19,160
irrigation in those things. So if that is a thought from the board or again the

1140
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,340
board can come back to the later date is perfectly fine. It's just we try to get

1141
01:32:23,340 --> 01:32:27,520
the farmer to give them the start in the end. So what made it the end date and they

1142
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,120
know when those last irrigation are because it like putting everything to a bit

1143
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,280
wet. So extent the season all it does is a really effect our maintenance schedule

1144
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:40,120
And when we get to our maintenance work it just push the things back week to 10 days basically

1145
01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:44,940
I'm hesitant to to start any later than the 21st because

1146
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:50,020
By the weather forecast there's gonna be a lot of you're gonna get a lot of calls. I believe by the 21st

1147
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:51,560
Well, looking at the weather patterns

1148
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:55,100
We used land IQ now to identify daily weather

1149
01:32:55,100 --> 01:33:00,440
We've had four and half to almost five inches of rain this last probably three weeks through weeks of February

1150
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:03,780
We got it almost an inch this past weekend

1151
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:10,000
So we normally look at two weeks, at least a two-week window, before things start getting a little bit more hairy.

1152
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,780
There is a little bit of rain for it, as the Olivia said.

1153
01:33:13,260 --> 01:33:17,180
So the 21st is a start slowly.

1154
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:22,980
I think pushing it back, we could create a little bit more of an issue.

1155
01:33:23,220 --> 01:33:28,020
But what we have been doing is we have been bringing some water through the system for a recharge project.

1156
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:32,280
So we do have some of the system charged already, not much of some of the upper system.

1157
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:38,600
So it's however again the board would like to look at that part of it as far as the start and or the end

1158
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:48,370
Wherever the board would like to do. Okay, I think I'm planning a moisture here for the lay a little bit. I mean, it seems like everybody's pushing for that later

1159
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:52,130
Water depending on the fall

1160
01:33:52,650 --> 01:33:55,170
The first one is that

1161
01:33:55,170 --> 01:33:59,170
With the way Olivia's run on the river because of the encroachment issue

1162
01:33:59,170 --> 01:34:04,810
There will be no net impact to water, there will be no water savings to start this system later.

1163
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:11,410
So, it may be financially, or maybe you operationally there will be some reason just to pick the holding ups of lock and shift it.

1164
01:34:11,630 --> 01:34:15,830
But it is a little difficult to explain to customers why the river is high and the canal is empty.

1165
01:34:16,650 --> 01:34:20,310
If there is a need, this is my first thought on the early side.

1166
01:34:20,590 --> 01:34:27,190
On the late side, I have long lobbied for a longer season, because my constituents are largely in trees and permanent crops.

1167
01:34:27,190 --> 01:34:34,270
But Mike has sort of convinced me over the years that people tend to irrigate the last week regardless of when the last week is set.

1168
01:34:34,910 --> 01:34:41,310
And so you tend to have these laws say throughout the last half of October, the users get very low.

1169
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:50,010
And so whether the last week is in November or the last week is over the amazing date of Halloween, you seem to seem to get the same amount of usage.

1170
01:34:50,250 --> 01:34:51,190
I don't know.

1171
01:34:51,190 --> 01:34:54,410
are getting just putting it out there for a different thought that it does send it just delay

1172
01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:56,650
the same amount of applications of water.

1173
01:34:56,830 --> 01:35:02,170
The base of what it does is that the low becomes another week to 10 days longer, it is

1174
01:35:02,170 --> 01:35:02,730
a normal.

1175
01:35:03,330 --> 01:35:07,470
So when we have low, it's going to the end of October, you just have a 3 to 5 week low.

1176
01:35:07,930 --> 01:35:11,110
You go to the 1st and 1st November, now it's a 6 to 7 week low.

1177
01:35:11,530 --> 01:35:17,450
The low is still 5 to 700 CFS in our system, and it's the weather pattern, you know, there

1178
01:35:17,450 --> 01:35:20,350
we have had rains in the end of October 1st part of November.

1179
01:35:20,350 --> 01:35:22,990
So those also would dictate what we do.

1180
01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:28,990
But again, Director Franschi, we always want to push it back as much as you can, and we

1181
01:35:28,990 --> 01:35:34,370
always from the aspect of it, we look at the main and side of things, as far as what

1182
01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:39,150
that does, as far as us getting to the canal system to start doing maintain the system.

1183
01:35:40,130 --> 01:35:45,810
So it's whatever the acceptance of the board is, we will adapt like we normally do.

1184
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:55,070
So, Doc gave a preference when you were near you. I would go to the 21st of 30th, and

1185
01:35:55,810 --> 01:36:04,690
With room to adapt that way gives the flexibility. That seems to be the consensus. 30th of what what Michael has October

1186
01:36:04,690 --> 01:36:11,730
Yeah, that's Wednesday. We the last day not the 31st like you had in that slide last week and

1187
01:36:11,730 --> 01:36:13,890
Speaking of the slide from last week, can you go back to that slide?

1188
01:36:14,850 --> 01:36:19,050
Last week. Slide you got on this week. Oh, sorry. What you gave us last week?

1189
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:23,270
Yeah, this isn't what we're currently voting on today, is it?

1190
01:36:24,190 --> 01:36:25,030
No, no, all you're-

1191
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:26,270
This isn't in our resolution there.

1192
01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:27,890
No, the voting, I just-

1193
01:36:27,890 --> 01:36:30,830
I think of what we normally would do on a 48 inch.

1194
01:36:30,910 --> 01:36:31,810
All these are-

1195
01:36:31,810 --> 01:36:32,570
These are programs.

1196
01:36:32,730 --> 01:36:35,850
These are operations that we normally do during a 48-

1197
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:36,710
With replenishment year.

1198
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:37,130
That's your guy.

1199
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:39,070
You just want to do this wasn't in our resolution.

1200
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:41,210
Well, the resolution is a-

1201
01:36:41,210 --> 01:36:41,250
Different.

1202
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:42,290
Nine point resolution.

1203
01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:42,670
Exactly.

1204
01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:45,650
Talk to you about the season, the available water, the current hit.

1205
01:36:45,650 --> 01:36:47,250
Kind of confusion how you put this slide up.

1206
01:36:47,250 --> 01:36:47,470
Yeah.

1207
01:36:47,470 --> 01:36:48,810
and the resolution is over today.

1208
01:36:49,170 --> 01:36:49,770
Thank you.

1209
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:51,450
So, Dr. Settis, I'm prepared to second your motion,

1210
01:36:51,610 --> 01:36:54,010
which can clarify, would you like to add a week

1211
01:36:54,010 --> 01:36:57,870
to the at the end and leave it to the security discretion

1212
01:36:57,870 --> 01:36:59,650
when the end is out of your suggesting?

1213
01:36:59,990 --> 01:37:04,210
I was going to say the start and end date March 21st

1214
01:37:04,210 --> 01:37:07,550
through October 30th, or we could pick your birthday

1215
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:08,510
on the 31st.

1216
01:37:08,530 --> 01:37:09,930
Like that date.

1217
01:37:11,330 --> 01:37:12,130
And then...

1218
01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:14,690
We normally end on Wednesday, is that what you're saying right?

1219
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:15,410
Yeah.

1220
01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:20,650
And we do that because by telling me into the system, then Monday, the crews can start working

1221
01:37:20,650 --> 01:37:22,210
on the system, so we're going on that Monday.

1222
01:37:22,530 --> 01:37:27,570
Takes about two and a half three days to do it slowly so we don't waste the water, we get

1223
01:37:27,570 --> 01:37:28,310
through the system.

1224
01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:29,610
So, I'm ready again.

1225
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:34,320
I'm trying to incorporate your desire to be have some flexibility if it stays warm.

1226
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,800
We're always flexible.

1227
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:45,080
My card is gave his opinion if we're going to extend the season of the end of the season, he'd like to do it right now.

1228
01:37:45,980 --> 01:37:53,080
And he can always, if he can't meet his water budget projections, he'd back it off then, but he's always able to do it somehow.

1229
01:37:53,080 --> 01:38:02,760
The only reason we go down that path is because farmers, if you put a date that's maybe flexible at the end, farmers will keep pushing, pushing, pushing.

1230
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:08,180
They like, they like, normally, so whatever, give me a date and I know what I need to do.

1231
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:10,400
You're saying you want to go another week.

1232
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:14,740
No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you get the board wishes that.

1233
01:38:14,820 --> 01:38:16,440
Who should put that in?

1234
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,200
But there's also, but there's also...

1235
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:26,960
Michael has you. It's also seeming the resolution that allows the water distribution department manager to change those dates if if we see necessary

1236
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,120
What he's probably not gonna do

1237
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:30,100
What he's telling

1238
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,220
Unless I'm forced to, but yes, whatever the board likes to do

1239
01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:37,580
Come on, we come to the board quite often. That's my resolution

1240
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:44,360
That you see it. What is it again? Same. It's as per purpose. All right. I'll second that. Okay, any further discussion

1241
01:38:45,020 --> 01:38:46,300
Okay, deliver.

1242
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:47,980
Director Santas?

1243
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:49,540
Director Franz?

1244
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:51,020
Director Alamo?

1245
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:51,440
Yes.

1246
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:52,520
Director Yunin?

1247
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:52,900
Yes.

1248
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:56,460
Thank you, Michael.

1249
01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:01,520
We're going to move on to a workshop.

1250
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:02,520
Copy.

1251
01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:03,640
He's a water plan.

1252
01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:13,720
I can go back here.

1253
01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:24,850
I will see.

1254
01:39:26,230 --> 01:39:26,670
Thank you.

1255
01:39:27,850 --> 01:39:28,690
You'll be at the podium.

1256
01:39:42,140 --> 01:39:42,620
Morning gentlemen.

1257
01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:43,340
Morning.

1258
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:48,290
Under the direction and leadership of GM Rhymers,

1259
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:51,450
we've been working to develop a comprehensive water plan.

1260
01:39:51,990 --> 01:39:55,050
And so today we are here to check in with the board on the vision,

1261
01:39:55,650 --> 01:39:56,870
the priorities and the timing.

1262
01:39:57,710 --> 01:39:59,690
There's a large presentation to go through.

1263
01:39:59,910 --> 01:40:03,030
And I'll be presenting most of the information here today.

1264
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:06,030
I do have here on the panel, field GoVay,

1265
01:40:06,150 --> 01:40:07,310
Symmorgen Engineering Department Manager,

1266
01:40:07,490 --> 01:40:10,430
West Miller, in charge of our program,

1267
01:40:10,630 --> 01:40:14,430
Sigma, as well as re-touch projects and operations

1268
01:40:14,430 --> 01:40:15,310
and micro variant.

1269
01:40:15,890 --> 01:40:18,170
So there'll be here to answer any questions that we have here.

1270
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,620
So on the agenda today, we will be talking about what the comprehensive water plan is.

1271
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:30,620
We'll talk about the drivers and objectives, and then we'll talk about the non-capital

1272
01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:35,160
versus what capital efforts are and we'll talk more in depth and about that.

1273
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,900
And then we'll talk about the lower system capital projects, primarily we're going to

1274
01:40:39,900 --> 01:40:41,140
share two different approaches.

1275
01:40:41,780 --> 01:40:47,980
One is what we refer to as the total channel control or TCC from here on with reservoirs,

1276
01:40:47,980 --> 01:40:51,060
And the different approaches, the total channel control only.

1277
01:40:52,180 --> 01:40:57,600
And just to clarify, total channel control is a concept that was developed by Rubicon

1278
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:01,680
Technologies, Rubicon Water, and it's very proprietary to them.

1279
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:07,480
But essentially what it is, is it's the automation of all the aspects of water delivery.

1280
01:41:07,900 --> 01:41:11,820
And so when we talk about TCC from here on, it's going to be that, okay.

1281
01:41:11,820 --> 01:41:19,020
And then at the end we'll come back in, check with the board on the vision, the priorities, and the timing.

1282
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,000
So what is the comprehensive water plan?

1283
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:35,140
It essentially is a single plan that captures or brings together all the different projects and all the different efforts that's been different documents and different timelines.

1284
01:41:35,140 --> 01:41:41,580
important, you have either had influence or have been part of these planets and documents over

1285
01:41:41,580 --> 01:41:49,120
the years. Some were developed in many years ago, some were developed more recently, and today's

1286
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:54,960
an example of some of the things that will be developed based on the board's direction. Now, all

1287
01:41:54,960 --> 01:42:00,420
these plants and projects and efforts over the years, they're like different pieces of puzzle

1288
01:42:00,420 --> 01:42:05,580
the way we see it. And together, when you put those pieces of puzzle together, they do paint

1289
01:42:05,580 --> 01:42:12,340
a clear picture as to what the district has done and what the district intends to do to ensure

1290
01:42:12,340 --> 01:42:20,080
that our water rights are protected to the future. Also, it ensures that we have sustained access

1291
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:27,380
to water supplies, as well as to support and to adapt our ability to meet customer demands.

1292
01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:34,000
The comprehensive water plan, again, what it does is it summarizes all of the different

1293
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,260
considerations, strategies, priorities, guiding our water resource management.

1294
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:45,080
An optional show is a clear linkage between those projects and how they work cohesively

1295
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:51,980
together towards the same objectives, and then they also convey a trajectory and the priority

1296
01:42:51,980 --> 01:42:54,760
of the projects to meet those objectives.

1297
01:42:55,820 --> 01:43:03,620
And so, as you know, our TID, we've been blessed to have reliable water supplies in affordable

1298
01:43:03,620 --> 01:43:05,060
water supplies over the years.

1299
01:43:05,460 --> 01:43:07,200
But thanks for changing around us.

1300
01:43:08,060 --> 01:43:12,780
As Wes and Olivia have talked earlier, as Dan and his group has talked earlier, there's

1301
01:43:12,780 --> 01:43:15,080
a lot of things that are changing around us.

1302
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:17,820
I just highlight some of these big points.

1303
01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:22,000
I'm not going to go into detail, but you can see climate change as we've talked about earlier.

1304
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:28,680
customer conditions are changing, for example, we're changing from a flat irrigation to micro-driven.

1305
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,040
So precision irrigation is a thing of the future.

1306
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,340
Now, infrastructure conditions, we have a very old system being the first irrigation district.

1307
01:43:38,380 --> 01:43:47,180
Our system is over 130 years now, and the regulatory constraints, it's happening, it's impacting us in many ways.

1308
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:53,940
Beyond that, our organizational values also compel us to actually move and to actually plan, as well.

1309
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,700
For example, being visionary is one of our organizational values.

1310
01:43:58,180 --> 01:44:06,220
Being visionary is something that we, for example, two years ago, we filed for right additional rights on a tornary river water.

1311
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:15,460
Two days, an example of being visionary, we're stabbing the board, we'll be talking about how we want to transform our irrigation system into the future as well.

1312
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:18,520
So these are some examples of some of the drivers.

1313
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:21,400
And they compel us to act, get to do something.

1314
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:26,160
And so what are the things that we want to do,

1315
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:27,320
and that we need to do?

1316
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:29,500
And we summarize this into all these objectives

1317
01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:30,960
and not going to read through all of them.

1318
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,560
But for example, we get to replace our aging infrastructure.

1319
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:36,200
We've got to organize our irrigation system.

1320
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,100
We've got to improve level of service.

1321
01:44:38,420 --> 01:44:41,760
We can augment our water supply so for long-term reliability.

1322
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,540
We've got to maximize and expand our water rights.

1323
01:44:44,540 --> 01:44:50,940
We've got to improve delivery, build strategic partnerships, and so on, and in doing all of these stuff,

1324
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:57,540
still a component and core value of viruses to make sure that our rates are still affordable as well too.

1325
01:45:09,460 --> 01:45:23,600
So, there's a lot of objectives. And so, today we are going to focus more on what we call the lower system capital projects. When lower system is downstream of term lock leg, but there are other components that help meet those objectives.

1326
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:32,680
For example, the upper system capital projects, what we refer to as mega projects and GM Rhymer mentioned earlier about the water supply augmentation.

1327
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,100
Those are the projects we talk about.

1328
01:45:34,340 --> 01:45:39,220
Like the Cardoza rich that's been looked at before Montgomery raising down Pedro spillway.

1329
01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:42,420
Those are the examples of those what we refer to as mega projects.

1330
01:45:42,860 --> 01:45:45,140
And we're not going to talk about those today.

1331
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:51,180
The other that I want to touch very quickly on are the what we refer to as non capital efforts.

1332
01:45:52,280 --> 01:46:00,240
And so non-capital efforts are efforts within different departments within the district

1333
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:04,960
that plays a key and critical role in ensuring that we meet our objectives.

1334
01:46:05,220 --> 01:46:09,860
For example, in the general manager area, there's many things that just provide a couple

1335
01:46:09,860 --> 01:46:15,280
of examples, building strategic partnerships, going to water resources and regulatory

1336
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:22,740
like the forky licensing process, VAs, as well as sigma implementation, to everything that

1337
01:46:22,740 --> 01:46:28,000
Olivia and Wes has just talked about early in hydrology, maximizing on water rights, enhancing

1338
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:33,580
the watershed management. There are examples of efforts that are happening that's been happening,

1339
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:39,300
that's happening continue to happen, and they do help us achieve our objectives that we just talked

1340
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:45,260
earlier. So again, I'm not going to dive deeper on those. More so, I do want to move

1341
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:51,280
to the lower system, and right before I get to it, I want to share with you this map right here.

1342
01:46:51,740 --> 01:46:56,560
You see this is our irrigation system with a 23 different canals that we have in blue.

1343
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:02,180
In right to your right, in red, are two stretchers of our canals.

1344
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:06,220
The first stretch from the grains down to Turlock Lake, that's the upper main canals.

1345
01:47:06,380 --> 01:47:08,940
It's about 8.7 miles to the upper main.

1346
01:47:09,860 --> 01:47:12,880
And then downstream of that is the main canals, also in red.

1347
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:18,840
In red basically means that we are currently working on those projects, there are projects that are in progress.

1348
01:47:19,660 --> 01:47:28,880
As an example, the upper main canal, the board has approved a budget and staff is actually looking at options to replace the

1349
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:35,300
upper stretch from the grain for bay to highway 132 and that's a stretch where we're looking at

1350
01:47:35,300 --> 01:47:41,820
the replacement kind we put a tunnel and also for so we are currently looking at that this year

1351
01:47:41,820 --> 01:47:47,240
and then we will be having a different workshop with the board to talk about what those options look like

1352
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:49,260
and how to move forward with that.

1353
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,060
The other in red which is downstream meteorologist laid down to what we call the division

1354
01:47:54,060 --> 01:48:01,480
which is at the head of Series May and Turlock May, there's about nine drops there in total.

1355
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:09,240
And there's five that we are replacing and automating those drops because there's those large radio gates that are aging.

1356
01:48:09,820 --> 01:48:13,920
And so when we were going to replace those, we have planned to automate those as well.

1357
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:19,780
That's a project that's three years, it's 20 years, 2024, 2526.

1358
01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:23,680
And that's a project that, as you are where we did receive about two million

1359
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:27,060
out of grant from the Watersmark grant to actually fund that.

1360
01:48:27,180 --> 01:48:28,960
So that's another project that's in progress.

1361
01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:33,840
The rest of the system, you see this light blue, and then you see the darker blues.

1362
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:39,400
Two of the darker blues are the regular reservoirs that we've already constructed.

1363
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:43,400
And then the darker blue down there by Lato A reservoir.

1364
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:48,740
That's our partial total channel control that we've put in place.

1365
01:48:48,740 --> 01:48:54,680
That's a couple years. The other Dr. Blue Line downstream or CIRIS aim reservoir are six

1366
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:58,980
drops that we've constructed as part of the re-gling reservoir project that we also

1367
01:48:58,980 --> 01:49:03,420
put into totally channel control as well. So there there will be downstream control on those

1368
01:49:03,420 --> 01:49:10,080
points. That is what we consider the existing system and those few projects that I'm in progress.

1369
01:49:10,980 --> 01:49:14,460
So I'm going to ask a question about the upper main projects. So I understand what's happening

1370
01:49:14,460 --> 01:49:21,100
on the, let's call it the lower upper mean, but the Green's dam to 132, we've talked for years

1371
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:25,760
about a $100 million substantial upgrade that lets us ramp and really maximize the hydro,

1372
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:30,880
the hydro output of hydro electric output of Dom Pedro. That's not what we're referring to today,

1373
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:35,420
is it? That's exactly what I'm referring to on that project. But we're not going to talk about that today.

1374
01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:38,860
But it's not in progress. What you're talking about, it's in progress is what?

1375
01:49:39,180 --> 01:49:43,120
What's in progress is the options analysis. So we're looking at study.

1376
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:47,440
the study to say, is that option viable? How much is it going to be?

1377
01:49:47,700 --> 01:49:49,940
Yes. The study is in progress, but not the actual capital project.

1378
01:49:50,420 --> 01:49:53,880
Exactly. And that's what was referring to that we will become exactly the board about that.

1379
01:49:53,980 --> 01:49:57,460
Sorry. Thank you. So that's a little bit more about that.

1380
01:49:57,460 --> 01:50:03,040
I fell to mention, there are two stretches from like grains to 1.32. That's something that we've

1381
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:08,380
looked at in the past as well, the district. The other section, which we haven't looked in the past,

1382
01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:10,200
And it's part of this option's analysis.

1383
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:12,560
Our target improvements downstream

1384
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,400
and 130 do all the way to Torlock Lake.

1385
01:50:15,060 --> 01:50:16,800
And the reason why we're looking at it this time

1386
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,400
is we're looking at different options of increasing the capacity

1387
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:25,680
that are operating to from 3,000 to 4,000 to 5,000.

1388
01:50:25,740 --> 01:50:28,120
And look at those options, we see what the benefits are

1389
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:30,340
for the district as well as what the costs are.

1390
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,000
So that's a project that we're currently analyzing.

1391
01:50:36,380 --> 01:50:39,740
You're going to help from the Janet flowers.

1392
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:41,860
I'd send on the pricing site.

1393
01:50:42,260 --> 01:50:43,980
Yes, that's right.

1394
01:50:44,940 --> 01:50:46,700
So now we're going to focus on the lower system.

1395
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,360
And we're going to talk about, it's a busy slide part.

1396
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:54,360
I'm going to talk about to the left, you see that there's two different approaches that we're

1397
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:55,020
going to talk about.

1398
01:50:55,140 --> 01:51:02,320
The first approach is the total channel control of the system with reservoirs.

1399
01:51:02,460 --> 01:51:03,540
And there's multiple phases.

1400
01:51:03,540 --> 01:51:10,220
And then down below is a total channel control only approach with no reservoirs.

1401
01:51:10,340 --> 01:51:17,220
And then what we have developed here for your consideration today in direction is, this is the priority of the objectives.

1402
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:22,420
When we look at these, these both of these approaches focus on water conservation.

1403
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,800
This is the one thing that we want to capture first.

1404
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:28,840
And then from there, we look at to make improvements to obtain the level of service.

1405
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:34,020
And what we mean by that, to summarize into three points is the reduced weight times, customer

1406
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:36,920
demand adaptation, and then operational flexibility.

1407
01:51:37,820 --> 01:51:40,560
And I'll talk a little bit more about those two points for a minute later as well.

1408
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:46,200
And then as a byproduct of that, there will be reduction in staffing as of those.

1409
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:52,640
So as an example, when we marinate our system, then more automated system will equate

1410
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:55,700
to less staff manually operating those facilities.

1411
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:59,520
And we're talking more about that.

1412
01:51:59,900 --> 01:52:05,020
So first, we're going to focus on the total channel control approach with reservoirs, and

1413
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:08,920
I'm going to talk about the different phases, what the features are, and some of the benefits

1414
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,900
that we're going to get for them, okay?

1415
01:52:14,300 --> 01:52:17,000
This one before, I just want to set the stage share again.

1416
01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:23,660
So this is what we currently have right now, downstream motorlock lake, which is we have two

1417
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:28,340
We have the main kind of automation, we have the division that's automated.

1418
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:29,960
We also have all.

1419
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,040
All the heads of all the latter are automated. We also have 28 mid-system jobs automated. What we currently

1420
01:52:36,040 --> 01:52:45,100
have right now is a little bit less than 18,400 acre feet. But once the bank now automation project is complete

1421
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:54,300
in two years, we will be able to conserve about 18,400 acre feet per year. That's based on a 10 year average. And that's annually.

1422
01:52:54,300 --> 01:52:59,280
This staffing that we have now staffing gets very convoluted very quickly.

1423
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:04,440
And so today's conversation we're going to focus more on water distribution and

1424
01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:08,460
technicians that support those data sites.

1425
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:12,420
And so currently today we have 36 WDOs and two technicians.

1426
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:18,560
So as we continue these phases, we're going to start to see how those numbers

1427
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:25,040
change and based on the investments that's made, the current wait time that we have on average

1428
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:29,740
on a yearly basis throughout entire systems, 48 to 52 hours. So we set that as kind of the

1429
01:53:29,740 --> 01:53:35,620
baseline of wait times in the existing levels of service, like I said, demand adaptation to

1430
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:40,200
operational flexibility is what's as that is called what we have today.

1431
01:53:40,940 --> 01:53:43,380
Back once like it's

1432
01:53:45,460 --> 01:53:51,680
just a chain to this phases I would like to see a phase one as like

1433
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:57,700
a pilot phase where you accomplish all four phases in a small section that you can use

1434
01:53:57,700 --> 01:54:04,080
as a test and a pilot and see if this concept is going to be viable in our area.

1435
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:09,220
We got two regulating reservoirs I know we got a lot of gates I don't know where we put

1436
01:54:09,220 --> 01:54:16,560
this pilot phase or where we do it at, but I would suggest that we target the technology

1437
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:21,600
that we've already spent money on and see if this is going to work in our area.

1438
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:27,800
Even if it's just a little small, couple drops, whatever, but 100% automated pilot phase

1439
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:32,820
is phase one, rather than jumping to all the reservoirs for us, then reservoirs and partial

1440
01:54:32,820 --> 01:54:33,400
wide automation.

1441
01:54:34,060 --> 01:54:38,780
And then, near term, I have one fully completed 100% automated somewhere in the district that

1442
01:54:38,780 --> 01:54:42,980
We can look at and see and operate over the years, see the problems with it, see the benefits

1443
01:54:42,980 --> 01:54:46,260
of it, and then we would be rather than this approach.

1444
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:46,860
We might.

1445
01:54:46,860 --> 01:54:47,820
I appreciate that thought.

1446
01:54:48,780 --> 01:54:53,360
We've actually talked a lot about it, so one is how we've been planning and the others

1447
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,960
how to present it today in a very concise fashion.

1448
01:54:57,300 --> 01:55:03,060
So today, when we're talking about those two options, it's meant to be very fluid, and it's

1449
01:55:03,060 --> 01:55:07,500
meant to, as we plan, we want to populate different projects, but if I understand you're

1450
01:55:07,500 --> 01:55:11,580
directly is the piloting of a full total channel control system.

1451
01:55:12,140 --> 01:55:16,080
And as you know, lateral A, we call it partial total channel control earlier,

1452
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:18,540
which means we have automation of all the drops.

1453
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:21,560
But all the side gates are not fully automated.

1454
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:22,900
There's still existing side gates.

1455
01:55:23,060 --> 01:55:26,420
And only some of them has the rubicon gates or smart gates.

1456
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:31,680
And so we do have in our five-year capital plan, more so years four

1457
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:37,600
five to do a for automation of the LATO A as a pilot.

1458
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:41,440
You know, the same LATO A to write area that'd be something for you guys to work on, but

1459
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:46,380
maybe off of the new regulating reservoir, it might be a better area that would be more in line

1460
01:55:46,380 --> 01:55:51,700
with the way the system would run. You know, you can look at an area, the system that you think

1461
01:55:51,700 --> 01:55:58,300
would be a good pilot that, oh yeah, this would work in this area, the majority of that before we

1462
01:55:58,300 --> 01:56:03,240
go through this, put all the reservoirs in first, then you got to put in the reservoirs in partial

1463
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:10,180
wide automation, then you know what I'm saying, one section where it's 100% done as a part

1464
01:56:10,180 --> 01:56:12,140
that I think would be a beneficial for us.

1465
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:14,300
Well, considering what you guys think.

1466
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:16,680
That's what we did already, already, we've got to wait.

1467
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:17,900
We don't have a fully...

1468
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:18,480
That case or not.

1469
01:56:18,780 --> 01:56:20,540
But sagates are the only thing that's on our own.

1470
01:56:20,540 --> 01:56:22,090
Not a TCC, they're...

1471
01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:24,360
That's the only thing that's on our own.

1472
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:25,260
That's the only thing that's on our own.

1473
01:56:26,140 --> 01:56:28,280
Not a TCC, they're...

1474
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:28,880
to sidegates.

1475
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:35,940
What you'll find out at the end of this is the sidegates is really a level of service

1476
01:56:35,940 --> 01:56:36,400
increase.

1477
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:38,180
It's not a water savings increase.

1478
01:56:40,460 --> 01:56:45,160
The water savings comes from the total channel control level of service.

1479
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:50,740
I mean there may be a little bit of a level of service is really the sidegates are

1480
01:56:50,740 --> 01:56:55,320
level of service and shorter weight times closer to on demand.

1481
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:58,100
That's what it'll kind of show at the end of this presentation.

1482
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,360
But we can't.

1483
01:57:00,540 --> 01:57:01,920
That's our theory, Craig.

1484
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:06,040
We don't have that anywhere in the district that proves that point out that you just said,

1485
01:57:06,940 --> 01:57:09,840
Well, when we don't spill out the end of the lateral.

1486
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,280
I'll say in the level of service increase, that they're using automated safety.

1487
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:18,760
If there's any other impacts that come along with the automating side gets your points.

1488
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,980
That's why I'm saying I believe that should be phase one.

1489
01:57:21,980 --> 01:57:23,980
And I think that's what we'll...

1490
01:57:23,980 --> 01:57:26,040
Maybe that's a great discussion to have at the end.

1491
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:30,880
I mean, I think, you know, we struggle also as we put the priorities up of what we think.

1492
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:33,740
Right? We put what our conservation is number one, but that's a great discussion.

1493
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:37,840
You know, as we were talking internally, that's what we've always been focused on,

1494
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,160
and that's what they've built this off of.

1495
01:57:39,180 --> 01:57:41,320
But if the direction from the board is different,

1496
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:43,480
absolutely changes.

1497
01:57:44,420 --> 01:57:45,840
Right, today's a workshop again.

1498
01:57:46,020 --> 01:57:48,780
This is a check-in on vision priorities as well as timing.

1499
01:57:48,780 --> 01:57:53,020
So any feedback act that's good, we're going to be taking some notes and then I'll be talking

1500
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:56,140
about later about next steps, but then really I would jump forward a little bit.

1501
01:57:56,200 --> 01:57:59,100
The next step is based on feedback, we're going to come back, we're going to do another

1502
01:58:00,180 --> 01:58:05,020
comprehensive water plan presentation with the board to populate what those project actually

1503
01:58:05,020 --> 01:58:07,880
looks like in detail and phasing as well, okay?

1504
01:58:08,060 --> 01:58:09,100
Thank you.

1505
01:58:11,790 --> 01:58:17,130
Okay, so all at the face one, and it could be option one, face one by basically a potential

1506
01:58:17,130 --> 01:58:23,770
next step. And all of this stuff doesn't really, you know, when we develop the plan here in detail,

1507
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:31,750
you can see how each canal or each project is populated. But to succinctly just talk about it today,

1508
01:58:31,870 --> 01:58:37,470
we just said, okay, assuming that phase one is completed, this is all the things that would be

1509
01:58:37,470 --> 01:58:44,970
included in it, okay. And so in this case here, the phase one, we would add additional reservoirs,

1510
01:58:45,790 --> 01:58:51,470
Lateral five and a half is something that we've been discussing with the board and there's lots of benefits to that.

1511
01:58:52,570 --> 01:59:00,690
But we had always envisioned that there's two additional reservoirs. One, a lateral one, between a lateral one, a lateral three.

1512
01:59:01,650 --> 01:59:12,990
And that is a reservoir that's at the end of our system and we can build an interconnection between a lateral three to a lateral two as well as a lateral two and a half.

1513
01:59:12,990 --> 01:59:19,590
And so the reservoir down at that location will capture spills from those, and then move it back in for between those.

1514
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:22,230
And so that's a concept that's been discussed for years.

1515
01:59:23,150 --> 01:59:27,530
And another one is, a lot of 6 and 7 pump system, pump back system.

1516
01:59:27,850 --> 01:59:32,690
That would be at the end of the system, so that it can capture all the spills.

1517
01:59:32,970 --> 01:59:39,870
By the same time, the reason we put the pump back down, there's a red line because there's a lot of different drains down that direction.

1518
01:59:39,870 --> 01:59:44,770
We could see that that would be providing a ability to capture drains as well as regular water

1519
01:59:44,770 --> 01:59:48,830
of the canal system, be able to pump it back for use upstream of that.

1520
01:59:49,450 --> 01:59:53,490
And so we've envisioned that there's three additional reservoirs that we will put, that's

1521
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:59,650
part of this, that for a total cost of $36 million approximately, in 2023, of 2024.

1522
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,160
And keys from 18,000 now to 30, almost 34,000 acre fee per year. That's how the significance of reservoirs.

1523
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:08,020
They do capture a lot of water.

1524
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:12,720
That's the elevation between lateral 7 and lateral 2.

1525
02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:14,460
Oh, I don't know that.

1526
02:00:15,740 --> 02:00:17,200
The elevation difference?

1527
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:20,380
From 7 to 2.

1528
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:25,160
I don't even know how to take care of those from the north, correct?

1529
02:00:25,980 --> 02:00:26,820
No, I think.

1530
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:28,400
Yeah, it goes towards the delta.

1531
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,260
That's hydraulics.

1532
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:31,060
Hydraulics, yeah.

1533
02:00:33,340 --> 02:00:34,580
I don't know.

1534
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,360
But it does go kind of uphill.

1535
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:39,940
In this case.

1536
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:44,000
What we anticipate is when this reservoirs are in,

1537
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:47,780
there's we could project about two WDOs that could properly come off.

1538
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:52,400
So if we're going from 36 WDOs to 34 WDOs,

1539
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:56,660
we see wait times upstream reservoirs being 48 to 52 hours,

1540
02:00:56,660 --> 02:00:59,800
which is currently, but downstream of reservoirs,

1541
02:00:59,900 --> 02:01:02,000
we can see that way times after decrease now.

1542
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:05,100
Because now, as an example, when you have water

1543
02:01:05,100 --> 02:01:09,100
in the reservoirs, you can actually make releases

1544
02:01:09,100 --> 02:01:11,960
downstream of the reservoirs to meet demand much more quicker.

1545
02:01:13,540 --> 02:01:16,380
There's times where it's going to be a lot less than 36 bad.

1546
02:01:16,620 --> 02:01:19,340
This, I think, general bracketing is about 36 or 48 hours.

1547
02:01:19,900 --> 02:01:22,100
This is where we introduce these two terms,

1548
02:01:22,100 --> 02:01:29,140
customer demand adaptation, and the focus on this is the customer demand adaptation is really

1549
02:01:29,140 --> 02:01:34,100
meeting the changing needs of our customer. So it provides the district's ability to

1550
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:40,420
to meet those changing needs, and a primary example changing needs is conversions from flood

1551
02:01:40,420 --> 02:01:47,900
to drips and microbes. Currently today, our preference would be you have a fixed head and you have a fixed

1552
02:01:47,900 --> 02:01:54,440
duration, so that it doesn't translate into spills or operations spills into our system.

1553
02:01:54,920 --> 02:02:00,100
When we're able to do this, you can see that those ladders that feed into a regular reservoir,

1554
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:06,580
there's more flexibility to accommodate variable heads, variable durations, because

1555
02:02:06,580 --> 02:02:11,200
any of those operational spills would actually end up in a reservoir recapturing reuse.

1556
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:18,200
And so we project that there will be a 15% improvement in from existing from these reservoirs.

1557
02:02:19,700 --> 02:02:21,200
It could be 15, it could be 20.

1558
02:02:21,300 --> 02:02:24,520
We're not exactly sure about it's going to be around that range.

1559
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:29,760
Operational flexibility is a district's ability to flexibly operate our systems.

1560
02:02:30,100 --> 02:02:36,260
As an example, currently today we release water once a day from Toronto clay down to each of our mains

1561
02:02:36,260 --> 02:02:40,240
and to each of our canal systems regardless of the changing demand downstream.

1562
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:47,000
When we have reservoirs like this, but no TCC upstream of that, the reservoirs will give us

1563
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:51,920
that ability to actually make releases to match the mass downstream reservoirs.

1564
02:02:51,940 --> 02:02:56,360
And in future years, when we have TCC, now that will give us that ability to match the

1565
02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:57,560
mass even upstream of that.

1566
02:02:57,660 --> 02:03:02,740
So that's what we mean by operational flexibility, gentlemen, is there anything else on this?

1567
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:03,960
Thank you.

1568
02:03:04,500 --> 02:03:10,220
If I could add total water savings, I don't know if you actually said that, but 34,000

1569
02:03:10,220 --> 02:03:16,560
And I always, I'm looking at Olivia because for me, that's two additional inches on farm,

1570
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:17,220
essentially.

1571
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:21,140
Helps me grapple with the...

1572
02:03:23,570 --> 02:03:26,210
It's a good, good, uh, reference point.

1573
02:03:26,450 --> 02:03:26,510
Yep.

1574
02:03:27,150 --> 02:03:28,150
Thank you.

1575
02:03:29,650 --> 02:03:31,310
So now we're getting to phase two.

1576
02:03:31,370 --> 02:03:36,550
Now you see that all the dark blues are things that our part of phase one, we've already implemented

1577
02:03:36,550 --> 02:03:37,150
that.

1578
02:03:37,350 --> 02:03:39,730
Now we start to introduce the reds.

1579
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:42,610
So in this system here, or this phase here, we said,

1580
02:03:42,610 --> 02:03:47,850
But all the mains from Turrock Lake all the way down to all the ladders, we're going to

1581
02:03:47,850 --> 02:03:48,830
only two TCC that.

1582
02:03:48,950 --> 02:03:52,130
So we're going to automate all the drops and put in two downstream control in that.

1583
02:03:52,610 --> 02:03:59,870
And then we're also going to automate all the drops downstream of all the reservoirs.

1584
02:03:59,890 --> 02:04:08,630
This is the best way to be very flexible in moving water down to our ladders as well as downstream

1585
02:04:08,630 --> 02:04:13,710
of the reservoirs, we're going to downstream control that and TCC that so that we basically

1586
02:04:13,710 --> 02:04:18,670
will end up with significant savings of the 38,000 acre feet.

1587
02:04:18,810 --> 02:04:19,630
This is an additional.

1588
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:20,870
This is additional now.

1589
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:24,750
So you're talking about almost 75,000 acre feet?

1590
02:04:25,010 --> 02:04:27,290
No, no, no, this is total now.

1591
02:04:27,850 --> 02:04:28,270
This is total.

1592
02:04:28,750 --> 02:04:31,190
So we went from 34 now to 38.

1593
02:04:31,590 --> 02:04:37,190
So by doing this, pretty soon you see that later on we're going to say, if we close our system,

1594
02:04:37,190 --> 02:04:40,750
and we're going to capture the total of 45,000 acre fee per year.

1595
02:04:41,210 --> 02:04:41,230
Okay.

1596
02:04:41,230 --> 02:04:44,010
So basically for another $20,000,000,000,000,

1597
02:04:44,110 --> 02:04:46,050
you're capturing $5,000 additional acre fee.

1598
02:04:47,130 --> 02:04:47,370
Okay.

1599
02:04:47,590 --> 02:04:48,130
That's right.

1600
02:04:48,290 --> 02:04:48,850
That is correct.

1601
02:04:49,390 --> 02:04:51,950
And the cost or investment here is $60 million.

1602
02:04:53,050 --> 02:04:56,210
You can see that now staff from a staffing standpoint

1603
02:04:56,210 --> 02:04:59,330
because we have now automated the mains.

1604
02:04:59,890 --> 02:05:01,270
We have more reservoirs.

1605
02:05:01,370 --> 02:05:05,190
We've automated the drops and downstream of the reservoirs.

1606
02:05:05,190 --> 02:05:13,350
force, we can project a reduction in WDOs of 10 WDOs. But when you have this type of system

1607
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:19,790
now, increasing with communications, data, and equipment, we project that we start to increase

1608
02:05:19,790 --> 02:05:27,870
technicians by 2 as well, to manage those. At the same time, you see the 4 WCC, WCC is

1609
02:05:27,870 --> 02:05:35,170
water control center. We anticipate that probably before this point, but especially, at the

1610
02:05:35,170 --> 02:05:40,670
You can see a water control center similar to the power control center, but on the water side,

1611
02:05:41,410 --> 02:05:49,610
but this is where more centralized ordering, more centralized scheduling, it's starting to come

1612
02:05:49,610 --> 02:05:55,990
into play, and then so you can see that all the automated systems, now the control center

1613
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:58,850
is actually moving water within those stretches.

1614
02:05:59,550 --> 02:06:05,150
There's still the rest of the system that's still manual, and that's where the rest of the

1615
02:06:05,150 --> 02:06:10,770
And I can look and see that with this, there's a significant improvement in customer demand and

1616
02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:12,570
adaptation as well as operational flexibility.

1617
02:06:13,090 --> 02:06:18,410
By this time with the mains, TCC, as well as the reservoirs and downstream TCC, we can see

1618
02:06:19,050 --> 02:06:25,270
that we will significantly be able to meet demand to match releases with demand.

1619
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:31,530
So you can see that the main canal, TURLOG main canal, series main canal, and any stretch

1620
02:06:31,530 --> 02:06:34,070
downstream of the reservoirs, wait times are not going,

1621
02:06:34,070 --> 02:06:35,930
it's going to be between 4 to 36 hours.

1622
02:06:36,450 --> 02:06:39,450
And we put that 4 to 36 because during the shoulder

1623
02:06:39,450 --> 02:06:41,230
months, we're going to get it to them very quickly.

1624
02:06:41,830 --> 02:06:45,610
But during the summer months, there will be as much as we are able

1625
02:06:45,610 --> 02:06:48,430
to get them water, there's going to be a capacity issue

1626
02:06:48,430 --> 02:06:49,450
at this point of time.

1627
02:06:49,470 --> 02:06:52,570
And that's why we said there's still going to be 36 hours,

1628
02:06:53,110 --> 02:06:53,310
potentially.

1629
02:06:54,190 --> 02:06:56,670
The other thing about customer demand and adaptation

1630
02:06:56,670 --> 02:07:06,010
We see a significant ability for us to adapt, but there's still all these improvement districts that you may recall when we had a workout with the board.

1631
02:07:07,730 --> 02:07:17,950
There's still, I think, 1,500 miles of improvement district lines that are old, that are leaky and that also there's their busy.

1632
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:25,770
And so as much as we were able to adapt, our system to meet them demands the improvement districts.

1633
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:39,440
So, they may be full, and they may not be able to adapt to customers' needs as well. But this is referring to our system that we're going to be able to do that.

1634
02:07:41,110 --> 02:08:00,410
But I have a question before you go on. The 36 to 40-hour wait time upstream of reservoirs when you have TCC in all the mains. Help me understand that. I've always thought that I've always been told I think that one of the major limiting factors of our response time is the 12 and 24-hour.

1635
02:08:01,450 --> 02:08:04,590
You know, our rider had changes in each of the laterals.

1636
02:08:05,090 --> 02:08:07,810
And so once those lateral heads are automated,

1637
02:08:08,510 --> 02:08:11,910
wouldn't that, it's not that that's the big, long pull

1638
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:12,870
in the tent, right?

1639
02:08:12,930 --> 02:08:15,750
When that changes, doesn't that really move the service?

1640
02:08:15,970 --> 02:08:19,030
It does, and it's just not as clear in this slide right here.

1641
02:08:19,050 --> 02:08:21,250
But you see the first one, 36, 40 A hours,

1642
02:08:21,450 --> 02:08:22,930
upstream of reservoirs.

1643
02:08:22,970 --> 02:08:27,410
And it's meant to say the lower ladders or the upper ladders

1644
02:08:27,410 --> 02:08:30,730
that are not TCC, there's going to be that way time.

1645
02:08:30,730 --> 02:08:33,830
But in the laterals or main, main canal,

1646
02:08:34,070 --> 02:08:35,590
Turlock main, series main canal.

1647
02:08:36,190 --> 02:08:39,090
All of those that are in red are now fully TCC.

1648
02:08:39,690 --> 02:08:41,070
We will be able to move water.

1649
02:08:41,250 --> 02:08:43,550
That's why the weight time is now 436 hours.

1650
02:08:43,710 --> 02:08:45,950
So to your point, let's just say that somebody

1651
02:08:45,950 --> 02:08:48,390
is on the Turlock main, on the saggy Turlock main.

1652
02:08:48,490 --> 02:08:49,470
They want to make some adjustments.

1653
02:08:49,970 --> 02:08:52,070
They have a change in the demand.

1654
02:08:53,150 --> 02:08:56,870
That could be accommodated quickly.

1655
02:08:57,210 --> 02:08:58,530
You know, as you have to wait till the next day,

1656
02:08:58,530 --> 02:09:02,910
because that system from Turkmenia, the way to make an out to Turkmenia is now fully

1657
02:09:03,810 --> 02:09:04,290
TCCC.

1658
02:09:04,650 --> 02:09:06,130
So, so can I make a couple of other comments?

1659
02:09:07,070 --> 02:09:11,690
So, one of the biggest reasons why those numbers are still the same is that we have very

1660
02:09:11,690 --> 02:09:15,950
large imprimant districts coming up to series, mains, and Turkmenia.

1661
02:09:16,530 --> 02:09:21,370
I mean, that's some of our larger 815 herd acre imprimant districts are off those

1662
02:09:21,370 --> 02:09:21,930
facilities.

1663
02:09:22,730 --> 02:09:27,190
So, it's all still about the capacity of the imprimant district.

1664
02:09:27,190 --> 02:09:29,130
and not to system itself.

1665
02:09:29,130 --> 02:09:30,770
And you're waiting for your, your,

1666
02:09:31,470 --> 02:09:34,550
because you've got to still three to five to seven day weights,

1667
02:09:34,770 --> 02:09:37,510
regardless of what we do with the infrastructure.

1668
02:09:37,930 --> 02:09:40,930
You still got the pipelines as you've got to contend with it.

1669
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:43,010
So that's why we kept it in there because there's going to be

1670
02:09:43,010 --> 02:09:46,050
some of the private pipelines off the series and

1671
02:09:46,050 --> 02:09:48,950
throw logs in the highlights that you can get within three hours or

1672
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:50,130
five hours if you want to.

1673
02:09:50,130 --> 02:09:51,810
If it's available, right?

1674
02:09:52,210 --> 02:09:54,470
But when you have, again, the number from Prima

1675
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:59,290
that we have on those particular facilities, and again, when the district built these things,

1676
02:09:59,450 --> 02:10:04,530
they built these things the right way by putting the biggest water source to those larger

1677
02:10:04,530 --> 02:10:09,330
and firmend districts. So again, we have eight hundred to a thousand acre, multiple,

1678
02:10:09,330 --> 02:10:15,270
multiples on those facilities. So that's why you put that range in there and again, as we get

1679
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:24,450
as we get better at it, those times may come down. We just, we're just concerned, we don't want to

1680
02:10:24,450 --> 02:10:29,150
So obviously in the last night reading this, this is probably, maybe pick us bang for

1681
02:10:29,150 --> 02:10:30,510
a buck, we'd stop right here, right?

1682
02:10:30,750 --> 02:10:33,930
We'd go to this point, we'd stop because it becomes diminishing return.

1683
02:10:34,330 --> 02:10:38,270
Your point is, Mike, even if you had a total TCC along the lines of what Dr. Almond

1684
02:10:38,270 --> 02:10:41,550
was referring to, even with the side gates and everything, it doesn't change the capacity

1685
02:10:41,550 --> 02:10:42,010
constraints.

1686
02:10:42,490 --> 02:10:44,050
So you may still be waiting in line for four days.

1687
02:10:44,270 --> 02:10:46,490
We've got 1,000 improvement districts, right?

1688
02:10:46,490 --> 02:10:52,230
They range from 25 acres to 25 herd acres, and each of them had their own dynamic set.

1689
02:10:52,230 --> 02:10:57,730
We try to control by scheduling, but the imprimantists are just the imprimantist strict.

1690
02:10:58,590 --> 02:11:04,250
So we can make these large improvements, but those wait times are going to remain the same for

1691
02:11:04,250 --> 02:11:05,890
Mosul's customers.

1692
02:11:06,090 --> 02:11:07,110
They're not going to change much.

1693
02:11:07,330 --> 02:11:11,650
We can't get the water too many quicker because it's a 36 inch pipeline that doesn't change.

1694
02:11:12,050 --> 02:11:12,730
Thank you.

1695
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:18,470
The only way we could change is maybe with some technology like we're using on the other

1696
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:25,330
water side, where the whole ID line is aware of the line sitting empty for two days.

1697
02:11:26,070 --> 02:11:29,110
You know everybody's going to want the water exact same time.

1698
02:11:29,190 --> 02:11:31,390
Everybody on that line gets notified immediately.

1699
02:11:32,190 --> 02:11:35,530
So now the technology is helping them manage your pipeline better.

1700
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:41,110
The pipeline size is still 36 inches, but we're notifying them and they're scheduling

1701
02:11:41,110 --> 02:11:41,530
better.

1702
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:45,330
We're doing better job with forecasting that they're actually getting their water in a more

1703
02:11:45,330 --> 02:11:45,970
timely manner.

1704
02:11:45,970 --> 02:11:51,770
Also, you could in time in the future as we look at better technology.

1705
02:11:52,390 --> 02:11:57,930
They could run parallopipes that may take care of the macro systems that would then

1706
02:11:57,930 --> 02:11:59,510
increase in capacity.

1707
02:11:59,550 --> 02:11:59,990
Increasing capacity.

1708
02:11:59,990 --> 02:12:00,550
Increasing capacity.

1709
02:12:00,650 --> 02:12:01,930
Even without increasing capacity.

1710
02:12:02,670 --> 02:12:02,770
Sometimes.

1711
02:12:03,570 --> 02:12:03,770
Sometimes sometimes.

1712
02:12:04,610 --> 02:12:08,770
Sometimes one guy's on a 12 day one guy's on a eight day and they get, well, except

1713
02:12:08,770 --> 02:12:10,990
now you've got to wait for the other guy to do this whole irrigation.

1714
02:12:11,550 --> 02:12:14,010
Well, there's more communication, more communication.

1715
02:12:14,130 --> 02:12:14,810
It's out there.

1716
02:12:14,810 --> 02:12:20,650
We don't have that implemented and I do you take nausea's get in better pipelines all these things are getting improved

1717
02:12:20,650 --> 02:12:25,370
So we really don't know what that future is, but that is some of the

1718
02:12:25,370 --> 02:12:28,330
Restrictions that we do have I go you're a master at that, right?

1719
02:12:28,430 --> 02:12:29,690
But it's still up to the customers

1720
02:12:30,110 --> 02:12:33,230
You're up to the customers, but you got to make them up

1721
02:12:33,230 --> 02:12:41,910
Sure, no, I come yell at you. Hey, why didn't you get my get this line going earlier will no one order the water for one, but at least you told them

1722
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:47,670
You're going to have a 10-day wait time, you're going to burn your corn crop out there if you guys don't get this pipeline going

1723
02:12:47,670 --> 02:12:49,390
We know you only have a 36-inch pipe

1724
02:12:49,390 --> 02:12:55,310
We know that so at least we let them know if they still want to burn the corn crop up, but it's not we can't do nothing about that

1725
02:12:56,410 --> 02:12:58,710
And great comments on that

1726
02:13:00,310 --> 02:13:02,450
So now phase three is

1727
02:13:02,450 --> 02:13:09,370
Different now you see that all of the canals are actually in bread and in dark blue now, which means that by the end of phase three

1728
02:13:10,890 --> 02:13:14,490
all the drops in our analysis and so we'll be automated.

1729
02:13:14,830 --> 02:13:16,610
The only thing we mainly will be the side gates,

1730
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:19,610
and we project that to be a $15 million total.

1731
02:13:20,430 --> 02:13:23,190
So now this is where the significant saving comes to play there.

1732
02:13:23,310 --> 02:13:27,150
You got 43,600 acres, feet per year on average,

1733
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:28,550
that you're going to conserve.

1734
02:13:29,150 --> 02:13:32,550
We see a projection of significant reduction in staff

1735
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:36,250
because now the entire system has the reservoirs,

1736
02:13:36,250 --> 02:13:40,070
as well as fully TCC with the exception of the side gates.

1737
02:13:40,530 --> 02:13:43,390
Meaning that at that time, the water control center,

1738
02:13:43,650 --> 02:13:46,850
you see there's an increase to eight staff there.

1739
02:13:47,490 --> 02:13:50,450
And what we mean by eight staff, it means that it's going to be

1740
02:13:50,450 --> 02:13:54,030
four on shift and then just as the rotation of that.

1741
02:13:54,170 --> 02:13:57,570
So it's four shifts, well, two shifts,

1742
02:13:58,070 --> 02:13:59,250
but four people per shift.

1743
02:13:59,710 --> 02:14:02,570
And then we see a projection and technicians increasing,

1744
02:14:02,570 --> 02:14:08,050
as well. How we project wait times now in the down of 4 to 36 hours throughout the entire

1745
02:14:08,050 --> 02:14:16,050
system. Again, limited to the capacity of ID as well. But this is where we see the most

1746
02:14:16,050 --> 02:14:22,470
customer demand adaptation. Now we have a fully automated system that we can much more

1747
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:26,550
flexibly operate the system as well. Meet our changing demands that our customers.

1748
02:14:27,970 --> 02:14:35,510
And I've said it, but what is our average, what's the 100% water savings value, is 45?

1749
02:14:35,870 --> 02:14:36,590
It's 40.

1750
02:14:37,010 --> 02:14:38,230
Yeah, it's the OB, the next one.

1751
02:14:38,410 --> 02:14:39,930
It'd be 45,000 acre feet.

1752
02:14:40,530 --> 02:14:47,530
So this is to kind of, so the one thing we also I think want to bring up is when we

1753
02:14:47,530 --> 02:14:54,610
talked about the 23FTs, we talked about the 26 WTOs, the 3808 water control center.

1754
02:14:57,130 --> 02:14:58,350
those numbers may

1755
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,020
We don't know if three taxes enough to look at an entire system that's going to be automated, that's going to have 400 plus drops.

1756
02:15:10,060 --> 02:15:26,740
Potential, we have the rubricons, we have our 350 rubricons. So those numbers, those taxis, WCC, those could change according to where we're looking at the window and we're trying to look at 15 years from now to say how are we going to hit these targets.

1757
02:15:26,740 --> 02:15:35,040
So, we put those in there, we just want to make sure that again, we don't have any false reality that's,

1758
02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:36,560
how they should have put projected stuff.

1759
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:43,020
Yes, I think so, because honestly, we're doing the best we can to identify those particular items.

1760
02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:45,740
The jobs are basically changing them, or are they're technical.

1761
02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:48,380
Yeah, they'll have to just...

1762
02:15:48,380 --> 02:15:51,160
I'll just say the points and all the automation that we're lost.

1763
02:15:51,460 --> 02:15:51,600
Yeah.

1764
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:58,060
Just a matter of vandalism alone is a variable that who knows that I project that that's not two more people just fixing problems

1765
02:15:58,060 --> 02:16:05,000
At solar panels, we don't know what the infrastructure of the radio systems going to be like we don't know what the electronics

1766
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,820
Workforce is going to be in 10 15 years

1767
02:16:08,660 --> 02:16:12,260
There's a lot of things there that are kind of unknowns right now

1768
02:16:12,260 --> 02:16:20,040
You see here, this is the last phase of this first approach and so the last phase is basically saying look now that phase three is

1769
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:21,920
the other many other drops in the canals.

1770
02:16:22,360 --> 02:16:24,100
Now we're going to fully automate the side gates.

1771
02:16:24,380 --> 02:16:27,760
The price does increase by $55 million.

1772
02:16:28,380 --> 02:16:29,780
So we have 1,400 side gates.

1773
02:16:29,980 --> 02:16:31,720
And so to automate all the side gates, it comes

1774
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:33,120
with the price of $55 million.

1775
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:37,400
And it brings the total cost to 170,000, 170 million.

1776
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:40,020
And as we said earlier, the total savings now

1777
02:16:40,020 --> 02:16:42,700
is 45,000 acre fee per year annually.

1778
02:16:43,800 --> 02:16:47,140
FTE is, we actually increase the attack now.

1779
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:49,600
Now that the fully automated system now,

1780
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:57,160
now we have more technicians. So you see the total there is 24 FTEs. What that means is that we

1781
02:16:57,160 --> 02:17:02,580
started with 38. There's a lot of reduction in WDOs, but we're also shifting in increasing

1782
02:17:02,580 --> 02:17:10,220
in tech as well as what a control center for total projected are 24 FTEs. What do you mean by

1783
02:17:10,220 --> 02:17:21,000
made all cygates. That means every one of our cygates will have a rubicon slip. But we have that on

1784
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:29,580
all our larger IDs currently, but we have not of them automated. We have all those things to take to make

1785
02:17:29,580 --> 02:17:36,940
those larger IDs automated currently. Once upon a time the rubicon slip meters in, it's a really

1786
02:17:36,940 --> 02:17:38,540
For the capability, even that.

1787
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:41,500
Why don't we utilize that technology anywhere?

1788
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:45,680
Well, I understand that there's two features to

1789
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:50,400
automating a side gate. One is the ability to remotely operate that side gate.

1790
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:54,980
The second one is this feed-forward concept, which is how,

1791
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:58,840
when you have all the side gates tied into the TCC system,

1792
02:17:59,180 --> 02:18:03,660
they all talk to each other and know where every drop of water is going.

1793
02:18:03,660 --> 02:18:07,420
and you can implement this feed forward where it actually projects.

1794
02:18:08,180 --> 02:18:13,280
You open your side gate. It's going to talk six drops ahead and know.

1795
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:14,720
Keep the pull the same. Absolutely.

1796
02:18:15,260 --> 02:18:18,900
So there is two things, and so I get your point completely.

1797
02:18:19,180 --> 02:18:23,880
If I have we tested a drop, I would ask these guys a question of,

1798
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:29,500
would we be able to test the feed forward system by a small sample size?

1799
02:18:30,620 --> 02:18:31,560
Or do you need to do that?

1800
02:18:31,560 --> 02:18:36,660
you just said we needed both right remotely operation there is most why can't we already

1801
02:18:36,660 --> 02:18:43,100
test the remotely operation on our current slip meters we do part of it is change management

1802
02:18:43,100 --> 02:18:50,880
as well right meaning that when we put this new technology in there there is a TID staff learning

1803
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:56,220
and operating and maintaining those there's the other component is on our growers our customer

1804
02:18:56,220 --> 02:19:01,460
side. They also have to be able to adapt to that change as well too and so like I just said earlier

1805
02:19:01,460 --> 02:19:06,440
that we do have over two in West, correct me here, over 200 something side gates right now

1806
02:19:06,440 --> 02:19:12,400
to have the technology to be able to remotely control and some of them are, but then I believe

1807
02:19:12,400 --> 02:19:16,600
what you directly tell them what you referring to is that some of them are still put and probably

1808
02:19:16,600 --> 02:19:22,060
just gate mode, right? We have 120 locations that have slip meters today. It's half the district's

1809
02:19:22,060 --> 02:19:27,480
our covered by slip meters. Some are currently remotely operated by our WDOs, depending on where

1810
02:19:27,480 --> 02:19:33,620
it makes sense. Sometimes when on these big IDs you don't want so many hands involved in

1811
02:19:33,620 --> 02:19:37,440
what's going on it's better to have us operate those. So we have probably half a dozen or maybe

1812
02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:44,120
a little more that are operated remotely today. We could control half of our acres remote

1813
02:19:44,120 --> 02:19:52,240
sidegates if we so chose to currently if we wanted to have our staff do that the gates are

1814
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:59,060
capable of doing so today after there's no automation out there that could control the

1815
02:19:59,060 --> 02:20:06,800
sidegates for you automatically no we would have to make that so there's no logic right now

1816
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:11,560
actually says, hey, it's time. It's just, I don't think that logic should be coming.

1817
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:18,760
That is, that is the way the industry is going. Yes. I'd like to come you made earlier that

1818
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:25,780
may be something that we look at piloting to see how it does work within the confines of the

1819
02:20:25,780 --> 02:20:32,760
farmer because again, as General Manager Rimer said, the customer has to understand there's going to

1820
02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:37,920
some changes for them also. It isn't just a district infrastructure we're going through and putting

1821
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:42,040
this Cadillac system out there. There's a lot of things for the customer that they're going to

1822
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:47,260
have to realize and understand with this whole process. So we can get a lot more of it may not

1823
02:20:47,260 --> 02:20:52,900
be a bad idea. Doing a pilot with technology that we already purchased would be great and we could

1824
02:20:52,900 --> 02:20:58,660
build a lot more safety into some of these aging infrastructure that we have. If those every single

1825
02:20:58,660 --> 02:21:05,220
idea had their own logic into every single, you know, your speed on opening and closing gates,

1826
02:21:05,580 --> 02:21:07,620
your line shot could go tremendously down.

1827
02:21:07,940 --> 02:21:12,140
Because now you train a new irrigator, yeah, you tell them three minutes or five minutes or

1828
02:21:12,140 --> 02:21:15,840
ten minutes or twenty minutes, but we don't know if it's getting done like that every single

1829
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:16,300
time.

1830
02:21:16,540 --> 02:21:17,200
I think what happens.

1831
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:21,120
Even with the gate, if it's remote, but he can open it, why open this fast as you can?

1832
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:25,060
Is I think the comfort level, we have to have, we have to make sure that people have

1833
02:21:25,060 --> 02:21:27,000
a comfort level of what we do, right?

1834
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:30,700
If you remember when we put the Rubikons in, the customers were very hesitant.

1835
02:21:31,260 --> 02:21:32,400
I mean here's Rubikons, right?

1836
02:21:32,600 --> 02:21:33,380
Time flies, mate.

1837
02:21:34,300 --> 02:21:40,800
So yeah, work on more comfort level to try to at least get one of these areas that you think

1838
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:45,020
is some farmers and some growers that you can work with that could take some automation

1839
02:21:45,020 --> 02:21:47,020
and remotely operate those gates.

1840
02:21:47,240 --> 02:21:48,640
We've got the technology to do it.

1841
02:21:48,900 --> 02:21:49,700
I've got some growers up.

1842
02:21:49,780 --> 02:21:51,700
I mean, asking for that every time I see them.

1843
02:21:51,940 --> 02:21:53,480
Hey, when are we going to look at the gate?

1844
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:56,540
I want to time it with my drip system.

1845
02:21:56,540 --> 02:22:01,080
I can turn both on at the same time I can just want I want to make sure I'm clear on the

1846
02:22:01,080 --> 02:22:05,420
ask is your task is you want that our customers to be able to remotely operate the slip

1847
02:22:05,420 --> 02:22:12,160
meter to the customer or from logic AI or however we want to do it yeah let me be like

1848
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:17,580
an interactive I think what would be really helpful for us is to really get the board's

1849
02:22:17,580 --> 02:22:22,200
feedback of what at the highest level like what what direction what one of these packages

1850
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:25,860
is the most appealing that I think implementation is a strategy.

1851
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:57,300
If we want to move forward with, you know, if it's this one, what's the most logical way, you know, obviously we have to think about our customers. And so maybe it would be just piloting one area and figuring out which areas maybe has most interested customers and how it works and that could be an approach to be able to get the buy-in right from the customers so they can actually go and physically see. They could talk to the customers of the other customers that actually have it on their system.

1852
02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:01,280
The WDOs who are operating that, I mean,

1853
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:04,100
so that it definitely could be a strategy of implementation,

1854
02:23:06,300 --> 02:23:09,740
depending on what route you all want it.

1855
02:23:10,140 --> 02:23:12,160
Yeah, I don't know if our customer will be operating the gate,

1856
02:23:12,260 --> 02:23:14,980
but the customer will be doing the same thing he does right now.

1857
02:23:15,340 --> 02:23:17,020
He'd be saying, I'm all set.

1858
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:19,440
He does it now with a phone call to the neighbor.

1859
02:23:19,480 --> 02:23:20,260
I'm all set.

1860
02:23:20,400 --> 02:23:21,580
Same you down the water, right?

1861
02:23:21,980 --> 02:23:22,480
That'd be done.

1862
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:24,260
I don't know what the series on our app.

1863
02:23:24,980 --> 02:23:30,060
with some way of the same checks and orders that we currently do, so it would be no more dangerous

1864
02:23:30,060 --> 02:23:36,020
or no more complicated than in today, but it wouldn't be done with a guy going out there to the side gate

1865
02:23:36,020 --> 02:23:37,220
and actually cranking it.

1866
02:23:37,320 --> 02:23:40,820
It would follow through the whole system that we put in place.

1867
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:43,660
They agreed upon, hey, we need this many minutes to open.

1868
02:23:44,220 --> 02:23:45,920
We need this many minutes on close down.

1869
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,900
It's going to open at this time, and everybody's already knows it's getting open at that time.

1870
02:23:49,900 --> 02:23:57,760
Well, let me clarify that when I spoke with Rubica technology, they're fully implemented

1871
02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:02,860
TCC in most of their majority of their system in Australia.

1872
02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:08,100
It is fully automated, not only the drops of cygates, but in the algorithms built

1873
02:24:08,100 --> 02:24:14,480
into it so that now, Brad mentioned earlier, about the fee for concepts, their systems that

1874
02:24:14,480 --> 02:24:19,000
tied to when the orders are anticipation when they want to take the order in the waters

1875
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:22,580
re-releasing inside gets a re-opening. These are all done automatically.

1876
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,720
And so, customers want that says I want it done.

1877
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:30,360
The customer says this is, well, the customer makes an order and then the order is

1878
02:24:30,360 --> 02:24:34,080
scheduled but so when it's scheduled and let's just say false and line was scheduled,

1879
02:24:34,340 --> 02:24:36,320
the gate will automatically open at that time.

1880
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:40,780
Actually, the customer, so like your question to me was, you want the customer

1881
02:24:40,780 --> 02:24:45,300
running at, yeah, exactly like that. The customer said he wanted it open at this time.

1882
02:24:45,300 --> 02:24:49,900
He's not really out there running in the gate, but he has remote automation to it.

1883
02:24:50,220 --> 02:24:54,720
So based on the direction again, the board here, we will continue to develop some of these,

1884
02:24:54,840 --> 02:24:58,160
the pilot, and then we'll come back to the board and populate these in terms of what the

1885
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:04,680
schedule looks like, what the traditional costs are. So this is the last phase of the TCC with

1886
02:25:04,680 --> 02:25:15,280
reservoirs, and there's a cause. I'm going to provide a little bit more summary later on, so I'll just

1887
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:19,840
I'll just talk about and I'll come back to Puerto Rico and pay the two.

1888
02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:23,900
The next, I do want to walk the board through the next approach that says total channel

1889
02:25:23,900 --> 02:25:28,060
control only, which basically means that we don't put any more reservoirs in.

1890
02:25:28,060 --> 02:25:32,040
From here going forward, we're going to commit to just go ahead and total channel control

1891
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:38,040
our entire system and I call it phase three and four mainly it's really the second phase

1892
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:38,680
and third phase.

1893
02:25:39,420 --> 02:25:43,400
But later on, we compared the two different approaches together, it just makes more sense

1894
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:48,800
to call it phase three because phase three of this approach matches phase three of the other approach as well.

1895
02:25:49,620 --> 02:25:52,340
So, so just bear with us as we described this, okay?

1896
02:25:53,460 --> 02:25:56,180
So this one again, phase three is very similar.

1897
02:25:56,340 --> 02:26:04,200
Without the reservoirs though, this phase when completed, it would automate all the drops and all the canal throughout the entire canal system.

1898
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:06,140
Minus the side gate.

1899
02:26:06,600 --> 02:26:10,180
And so we anticipate that the concert will be around $78 million.

1900
02:26:10,180 --> 02:26:17,860
You see a significant savings of 43,600 acre fee, staff reduction, wait times, customer demand

1901
02:26:17,860 --> 02:26:21,760
adaptation, as well as operation flexibility. I'm going to quickly go to the next one.

1902
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:27,540
This one includes automating all the side gates, price tags which is at $55 million to

1903
02:26:27,540 --> 02:26:32,900
automate all the side gates, but you see now the incremental water savings is really small.

1904
02:26:33,560 --> 02:26:39,220
And that's due to Brad's point earlier is that the automation of the drops will

1905
02:26:39,220 --> 02:26:42,420
of the water. The additional benefits of these

1906
02:26:42,420 --> 02:26:47,500
sidegates is efficiency and delivery, consistent flow rates,

1907
02:26:48,020 --> 02:26:50,880
water accountability and water accounting. All of those

1908
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:52,860
will tie into it. And there's so many things that

1909
02:26:52,860 --> 02:26:55,000
since we don't have a system here in the United States,

1910
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:58,920
we don't know what all the true benefits and our folks at

1911
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:01,720
Rubicon saying, look, we'd be more than happy to share

1912
02:27:01,720 --> 02:27:04,640
with you as well as real life examples of how people

1913
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:06,900
has benefited, but that's something that we will be working

1914
02:27:06,900 --> 02:27:08,920
with, again, back to the board.

1915
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:14,000
Water savings in these scenarios looks the same as the water savings where you had reservoirs.

1916
02:27:14,260 --> 02:27:17,220
So adding reservoirs doesn't help you save water?

1917
02:27:17,660 --> 02:27:20,320
There's a slide that'll make that pretty clear.

1918
02:27:20,660 --> 02:27:20,860
Yeah.

1919
02:27:21,360 --> 02:27:22,660
It's a great question.

1920
02:27:23,260 --> 02:27:23,560
Great question.

1921
02:27:23,560 --> 02:27:24,200
Great question.

1922
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:29,060
So this just summarizes the TCC only approach.

1923
02:27:29,660 --> 02:27:33,740
I'm going to jump to this option right here because it's going to get to answering your question

1924
02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:40,000
So, this slide is a very busy slide, but it basically compares those two different approaches together.

1925
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:46,400
In the green is the total channel control with reservoirs approach, and in the blue is total channel control.

1926
02:27:46,580 --> 02:27:52,600
So, you see that now, the reservoirs has that incremental additive cost, right?

1927
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:57,800
$36 million, you'll go to $60 million, $151, 170,000.

1928
02:27:57,820 --> 02:27:58,720
I'm 100,000, I'm 100,000, I'm 100,000 million.

1929
02:27:59,300 --> 02:28:03,720
versus the TCC only, we said to get to phase three,

1930
02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:06,280
we would need to spend about 78 million dollars

1931
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:08,660
to get to phase three, and then go to phase four

1932
02:28:08,660 --> 02:28:12,160
is $134 million, and again, there goes

1933
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:13,860
to all the savings and all the benefits

1934
02:28:13,860 --> 02:28:15,320
that we've received earlier.

1935
02:28:17,700 --> 02:28:21,160
Now this is the last chart I wanna share with you,

1936
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:26,520
but it's a complex chart, but let me provide

1937
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:27,540
a couple of takeaways from here.

1938
02:28:27,540 --> 02:28:34,380
So on the X axis is the years, we published this over 25 years.

1939
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,180
On the Y axis is the annual water savings.

1940
02:28:38,180 --> 02:28:44,900
And the main difference between the two approaches is the green is the TCC with the reservoirs,

1941
02:28:44,940 --> 02:28:50,760
which means you construct the reservoirs first, and then you do the TCC after that.

1942
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:57,280
The blue, which is the lower line, is starting to TCC our systems incrementally.

1943
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:02,440
The main difference is that after 15 years, those two lines converge.

1944
02:29:02,780 --> 02:29:06,860
Meaning that after 15 years, regardless of which approach you take, you would have modernized

1945
02:29:06,860 --> 02:29:10,980
entire system that you can conserve the most amount of water that you can.

1946
02:29:11,100 --> 02:29:14,200
And they both happen after the year 15.

1947
02:29:14,860 --> 02:29:18,720
But along the way, those two approaches are distinctly different.

1948
02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:25,320
The TCC, you're going to have to make investments on each canal at a time.

1949
02:29:26,020 --> 02:29:31,820
And when you're making those investments on those canals, you're only benefiting in those singular canals.

1950
02:29:32,500 --> 02:29:37,360
Versus a reservoir, when you put a reservoir, you benefit multiple ladders.

1951
02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:43,780
So when you put the reservoirs of front, you can see that over that 15-year period of time,

1952
02:29:43,780 --> 02:29:49,770
The reservoir approach would allow you to save significant waters early on

1953
02:29:51,020 --> 02:29:58,200
All the way to year 15 and the difference and they accumulate amount of water the USA between the two approaches is approximately

1954
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,320
That's one of the biggest differences you can see there.

1955
02:30:02,460 --> 02:30:08,560
I almost think about it as the reservoirs, although they are costly, they allow you a place to store

1956
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:12,940
that incremental water that the pieces of TCC that you're doing create.

1957
02:30:14,980 --> 02:30:19,900
I'm initial thought is the reservoirs, because you've mentioned it that there's vandalism

1958
02:30:19,900 --> 02:30:25,840
or whatever, the reservoirs will help you mitigate any potential issues that may happen out there.

1959
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:31,240
I don't think it's, I don't think it's safe to assume that the total automation will be just work flawlessly,

1960
02:30:31,640 --> 02:30:34,860
there will be issues with the reservoirs help you with mitigating any problems.

1961
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:42,740
There's some benefit also, and for floodwater irrigation, right, to capture some storm waters within cities as they deposit.

1962
02:30:43,060 --> 02:30:53,860
You know, also there's some opportunity, one of those end of the reservoirs that was presented as there's some customers that are potentially looking at that site that would want to utilize something that water.

1963
02:30:53,860 --> 02:30:56,100
it so there's opportunity to capture that.

1964
02:30:56,660 --> 02:31:00,620
The President gives us more flexibility, more opportunity,

1965
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:02,660
utilize water multiple times.

1966
02:31:03,660 --> 02:31:07,760
And we do that quicker than doing a 15-year automation

1967
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:08,660
project, that's right.

1968
02:31:08,900 --> 02:31:11,520
But they go ahead and handle it.

1969
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:14,700
It helps us with mistakes and problems and issues

1970
02:31:14,700 --> 02:31:15,440
that may occur.

1971
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:18,020
It helps to mitigate some of the capacity, too.

1972
02:31:19,220 --> 02:31:21,500
The normal thing in a supply chain is to have a buffer.

1973
02:31:26,140 --> 02:31:32,500
The three additional is Lara 5.5, Lara won, Lara won, Lara 3, Reservoir, doing that.

1974
02:31:32,580 --> 02:31:33,760
With those drawn in, yes.

1975
02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:34,700
Thank you, Lara.

1976
02:31:34,780 --> 02:31:35,440
The presentation.

1977
02:31:37,890 --> 02:31:38,370
Which one?

1978
02:31:43,180 --> 02:31:44,220
Right there.

1979
02:31:45,140 --> 02:31:45,440
Redbot.

1980
02:31:45,540 --> 02:31:46,020
Age one.

1981
02:31:48,620 --> 02:31:49,700
That was my comment.

1982
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:53,360
I'm going from Lara all seven to Lara all two.

1983
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,880
Three foot difference from my calculations.

1984
02:31:57,040 --> 02:31:57,240
Drop.

1985
02:31:58,420 --> 02:32:02,700
So, in caution, you think I'm gonna run it a pipe all the way from seven all the way to two?

1986
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:03,620
I'm free?

1987
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:07,120
I'm operationally over time.

1988
02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:12,660
Additional benefits of putting a reservoir and there is...

1989
02:32:12,660 --> 02:32:14,980
When you have a reservoir, you can actually reduce groundwater,

1990
02:32:14,980 --> 02:32:20,180
reliance on groundwater quicker, which also means better water quality as well.

1991
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:22,840
And so, there are added benefits to that.

1992
02:32:22,840 --> 02:32:29,140
The other thing about lateral five and a half reservoir is that that is a reservoir that in that area has

1993
02:32:29,900 --> 02:32:35,800
lower water quality in that area as well as the recycled water that we have

1994
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:42,920
As part of a sort of BA and that's also the location where we had it planned to take that recycled water

1995
02:32:42,920 --> 02:32:49,680
Put into that and then blend it for reuse as well. So there's some benefits there. I know some capacity issues because we have a reservoir

1996
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:52,100
or you can start those days whenever you need to.

1997
02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:55,660
Instead of trying to work it through, a lot of a five to five and a half

1998
02:32:55,660 --> 02:32:56,560
to get to that point.

1999
02:32:56,700 --> 02:32:57,980
So if this is a lot of things to do.

2000
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:01,960
That's not something to sneeze at, because that's some of the

2001
02:33:01,960 --> 02:33:03,300
wait time we discussed it.

2002
02:33:03,360 --> 02:33:08,000
If July, August, September, if you're 100% capacity with your

2003
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:10,240
system, this gives you an additional capacity.

2004
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:14,120
And then that 36-hour wait time ultimately could come down from that.

2005
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:17,040
It brings a supply cluster to the demand down there where they need it because

2006
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:23,500
There's so heavily reliant on groundwater because of the capacity issues that the reservoir would mitigate a lot of that so that's my operation

2007
02:33:23,500 --> 02:33:31,680
We always thought that was one of the better locations because we always have issues the bottom of the ladder of five and a half

2008
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:32,040
Yeah

2009
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:33,720
These reservoirs

2010
02:33:35,380 --> 02:33:36,980
Would be

2011
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:40,100
Summer time operations correct

2012
02:33:40,100 --> 02:33:40,840
Mainly

2013
02:33:41,860 --> 02:33:42,420
Mainly

2014
02:33:42,420 --> 02:33:43,240
I

2015
02:33:44,140 --> 02:33:46,120
Looking at your location of

2016
02:33:48,140 --> 02:33:53,140
the reservoir of a lower lateral two and a half. There's a lot of extra capacity out there in

2017
02:33:53,140 --> 02:33:57,900
reservoirs with the city of Minnesota out there during the summertime, that we could

2018
02:33:57,900 --> 02:34:04,900
maybe have a joint relationship with. We are still in a discussion with City Modesto. So when

2019
02:34:04,900 --> 02:34:09,020
we put that in there that's part of the plan, but then we would have to build our own

2020
02:34:09,020 --> 02:34:11,360
reform. Exactly. We already got constructed reservoirs out there.

2021
02:34:11,700 --> 02:34:15,220
Exactly. And we're still in discussions with the City Modesto. So we were talking about that.

2022
02:34:15,220 --> 02:34:20,560
So it would obviously give, you know, conversation, continue to be fruitful, we have some agreement

2023
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:20,940
there.

2024
02:34:21,300 --> 02:34:22,780
It would be placed that one.

2025
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:30,440
I want to direct their Yonan as a question, when it was reviewing this, and so let me

2026
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:33,880
see if I can actually answer the question, so it's really kind of put this into perspective,

2027
02:34:34,200 --> 02:34:34,240
right?

2028
02:34:34,300 --> 02:34:36,420
Because we talk about the different approaches.

2029
02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:42,580
We also talk about the different phases, but I show, or we show that, for example, we look

2030
02:34:42,580 --> 02:34:52,820
face three, and we look at $78 million for a TCC-only, how does that translate, what does

2031
02:34:52,820 --> 02:34:58,980
that mean? And let me try to put it to perspective, like, $78 million. If you divide that

2032
02:34:58,980 --> 02:35:05,360
over a 25-year period, it kind of averages out that it would be around $2.3 million on an

2033
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:08,600
annual basis. Obviously, every year is going to be slightly different. But average out to be

2034
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:13,560
about $2.3 million of additional capital expenditures

2035
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:14,800
that we don't have today.

2036
02:35:16,140 --> 02:35:18,600
But we also show you here that reduction of staffing.

2037
02:35:19,060 --> 02:35:24,120
So in phase three, our project is staffing goes from 38 to 23.

2038
02:35:24,900 --> 02:35:27,440
If that's the case, should be the case.

2039
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:31,260
Using today's fully burned costs,

2040
02:35:31,620 --> 02:35:35,340
there is a reduction in also O&M of staffing as well,

2041
02:35:35,340 --> 02:35:41,040
to offset that cost of, as an example, in this case here,

2042
02:35:42,260 --> 02:35:43,260
some amount of money.

2043
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:49,340
So if you take those differences, it

2044
02:35:49,340 --> 02:35:52,840
nets out to be around a million dollars a year in an attic cost.

2045
02:35:54,400 --> 02:35:57,540
I do want to say that there are potentially, again,

2046
02:35:57,660 --> 02:36:00,040
there's a lot of things we don't know in terms of the maintenance site.

2047
02:36:00,320 --> 02:36:01,180
What could happen?

2048
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:04,300
Are we going to put additional capital improvement

2049
02:36:04,300 --> 02:36:11,600
dollars in there to maintain it, we're going to add now that there's reduction in the WDO staff force.

2050
02:36:12,100 --> 02:36:17,160
Do we, how we handle maintenance in the future, do we, do we, do we make changes in construction

2051
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:24,080
maintenance, staffing there, not sure, but looking strictly at this, you can see that this option of a phase three,

2052
02:36:24,220 --> 02:36:31,280
78 million dollars, works out to about 2.0, works out to be about, I'm sorry, $3 million, and then if you

2053
02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:35,200
net out around $2 million from the reduction of staffing, you're down to about $1 million.

2054
02:36:35,500 --> 02:36:36,340
But price, I get it.

2055
02:36:36,340 --> 02:36:37,100
But on the water.

2056
02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:46,320
So if you say, at that, at that, the end of that phase, if you can conserve $43,000, it

2057
02:36:46,320 --> 02:36:48,980
puts it down to about $20 per acre foot.

2058
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:50,220
But price is at $100.

2059
02:36:50,660 --> 02:36:52,360
$20 per acre foot.

2060
02:36:52,720 --> 02:36:53,240
And that...

2061
02:36:54,300 --> 02:36:56,140
That's the cost of water?

2062
02:36:56,540 --> 02:36:56,700
Yes.

2063
02:36:57,200 --> 02:36:57,680
Savings.

2064
02:36:58,400 --> 02:36:59,920
Best of the over 20 years you said?

2065
02:37:00,120 --> 02:37:00,360
Yes.

2066
02:37:00,360 --> 02:37:03,620
I'll face $4.20 in the microphone.

2067
02:37:03,940 --> 02:37:07,740
I don't know.

2068
02:37:08,620 --> 02:37:12,640
Now, so it depends on how valuable.

2069
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:15,620
Now that we've spent $78 million,

2070
02:37:16,040 --> 02:37:17,920
and we could conserve $42,000 in the microphone.

2071
02:37:18,320 --> 02:37:20,320
Again, that's what translates to on an annual basis

2072
02:37:20,320 --> 02:37:21,340
about a million dollars.

2073
02:37:21,980 --> 02:37:23,580
What is that worse in terms of the water?

2074
02:37:24,380 --> 02:37:25,860
So, hopefully that kind of answers to your question.

2075
02:37:30,340 --> 02:37:33,060
Do you have a few thoughts? Are you done? Is this your last slide?

2076
02:37:34,220 --> 02:37:39,740
The last slide is going to check in with the board in terms of the vision. Maybe you want to go through that before you answer the question.

2077
02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:48,260
So the concept here, regardless of which approach the board takes, but we're going all the way to follow phase three or phase four at the end.

2078
02:37:48,980 --> 02:37:59,560
The objective here in the vision is ready to transform the existing system that we have right now to a more modernized system that's automated and with no unintended spillage.

2079
02:37:59,560 --> 02:38:06,700
Meaning that if we want to spill, is it because we want to spill on a good water here, but if we don't want any spillage, it will not have any spillage.

2080
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:10,360
And capable of delivering water to our customers within 24 hours.

2081
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:19,240
And then, now, meeting the changing needs of our customers and TID, providing flexibility for us as well, while reducing a reliance on groundwater, which in it would.

2082
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:23,940
And in this nowadays, with Sigma, it would be a very important factor.

2083
02:38:23,940 --> 02:38:39,440
And so, that's what the vision is for all those two approaches with those phases and that the priority of the objective that we have is as we shown here, conservation, levels of service, as a by-product staffing over your 25 year period time.

2084
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:42,980
So, these are the things that we do want to kind of get feedback from the board.

2085
02:38:42,980 --> 02:38:43,960
That's interesting.

2086
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:47,780
Payne, it just not spelled out.

2087
02:38:47,960 --> 02:38:49,180
But by reducing reliance on ground ore,

2088
02:38:49,180 --> 02:38:52,200
you're going to improve water quality for some of our customers.

2089
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:53,360
Especially out there on five and a half,

2090
02:38:53,560 --> 02:38:55,540
they have a real need for water quality improvement.

2091
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:59,300
But I think I put that right in as another check mark under the priority

2092
02:38:59,300 --> 02:39:00,800
of objectives and level of service.

2093
02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:02,060
I think it's increased level of service.

2094
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:03,760
They're improving water quality to our customers.

2095
02:39:04,900 --> 02:39:06,920
The exception of that level of seven pump back.

2096
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:07,720
That's a concern there.

2097
02:39:07,940 --> 02:39:08,220
Just flag.

2098
02:39:08,380 --> 02:39:09,480
I'm sure you guys already thought about that,

2099
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:10,600
but that's a concern there.

2100
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:13,160
We recognize that.

2101
02:39:13,160 --> 02:39:15,260
I want to reduce the water quality.

2102
02:39:15,260 --> 02:39:21,540
and so on and recognize that, for example, we recognize you put that and maybe that many

2103
02:39:21,540 --> 02:39:24,780
of the years when you have good water years that you really don't want to take advantage of

2104
02:39:24,780 --> 02:39:25,260
that.

2105
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:29,120
But then when you don't have water, I think we've had the conversation with the board test

2106
02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:33,440
well too, when you don't have water, any water is going to be better than none.

2107
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:38,220
Operational constraints in normal years, you only pump back when you have a certain amount

2108
02:39:38,220 --> 02:39:39,760
of water coming down for blending.

2109
02:39:39,760 --> 02:39:40,340
pain.

2110
02:39:42,260 --> 02:39:46,240
Both of that could be accomplished with total channel control as well, so maybe that's a lower

2111
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:52,000
hanging fruit or a higher fruit that you might not want to see up as seeing that could

2112
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:56,780
potentially come off the reservoir list because it's a good point.

2113
02:39:57,500 --> 02:39:58,480
Dr. Franch, do you have some questions?

2114
02:39:59,560 --> 02:40:02,680
I just want to start by saying thank you for this fantastic presentation.

2115
02:40:03,400 --> 02:40:06,940
The four of you, I know that the change is hard, and we've been talking about some of the

2116
02:40:06,940 --> 02:40:11,580
for a long time, I look at last and rad, and you, the form was went to Australia, was that

2117
02:40:11,580 --> 02:40:15,080
been a decade ago, and saw this stuff, and it's pretty exciting to see it actually

2118
02:40:15,080 --> 02:40:19,900
begin to put some meat on these bones. So I'm excited, there's a lot of potential here,

2119
02:40:19,900 --> 02:40:25,880
and I'm grateful for the energy that all of you have put into being brave and up and proposing

2120
02:40:25,880 --> 02:40:32,320
different ways of doing old things. So that's pretty cool. To me, overall, the costs are

2121
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:34,260
lower than I expected them to be.

2122
02:40:34,780 --> 02:40:36,740
And in some ways, they're lower than we've always discussed,

2123
02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:39,420
sort of talking over the water cooler,

2124
02:40:39,620 --> 02:40:40,660
it's over some of these things.

2125
02:40:41,080 --> 02:40:44,740
And so I think that there is real promise here

2126
02:40:44,740 --> 02:40:47,140
for us to be able to build it and build it in a way

2127
02:40:47,140 --> 02:40:51,360
that isn't going to be economically challenging

2128
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:54,320
for a community that is in right now,

2129
02:40:54,580 --> 02:40:56,460
pretty economically challenging times,

2130
02:40:56,740 --> 02:40:57,620
at least the agricultural community.

2131
02:40:58,280 --> 02:41:02,180
So I am all for doing whatever your team thinks

2132
02:41:02,180 --> 02:41:06,320
is best. I don't have enough knowledge to know whether we go this route or that route to

2133
02:41:06,320 --> 02:41:10,080
me at all looks good. It's just a matter of prioritizing and figuring out what makes

2134
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:17,340
sense to do in an orderly methodical way. I would like to see you begin to packet this up

2135
02:41:17,340 --> 02:41:23,280
in such a way that we can bring it to our constituents in a 2018 and raise rates to pay

2136
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:27,980
for it as we go along. Because if we're assume we're going to do this in a lumpy fashion

2137
02:41:27,980 --> 02:41:31,700
with borrowed money, it intentionally doubled the cost or repairs.

2138
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:36,280
And because of the long duration of time that you're proposing to do it at a methodical

2139
02:41:36,280 --> 02:41:42,120
incremental steady rate, it makes sense from day one to raise rates the one or two million

2140
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:45,840
dollars a year, and then revenue finance it over the duration of the project.

2141
02:41:46,280 --> 02:41:47,280
It's more economical.

2142
02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:49,900
I think it's an easy story to sell.

2143
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:54,580
I think if we can package it up in a way that everyone can see that over time everyone benefits.

2144
02:41:55,380 --> 02:41:56,480
Water savings are tremendous.

2145
02:41:58,140 --> 02:41:59,360
I couldn't be more supportive.

2146
02:41:59,660 --> 02:42:00,680
So thank you.

2147
02:42:03,880 --> 02:42:04,580
You want to add to that?

2148
02:42:04,840 --> 02:42:09,560
I made a lot of comments and just anything that we can do to pilot a certain area.

2149
02:42:09,880 --> 02:42:11,400
So we can make sure it's going to work.

2150
02:42:11,540 --> 02:42:14,040
I mean, we've got some technology very purchased.

2151
02:42:14,320 --> 02:42:17,960
We're not utilizing all of it to the furthest extent that we can.

2152
02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:20,260
So why not pilot a few areas that we can work with?

2153
02:42:20,420 --> 02:42:26,840
That way we can even help us turn which way we need to go on our long-term plan.

2154
02:42:27,640 --> 02:42:35,860
If you own it. Yeah, I agree with Michael. I think a special assessment to get this paid for so when I borrow money to pay for it

2155
02:42:35,860 --> 02:42:42,440
And I'm I'm fine with moving ahead whether it's phase three phase four probably phase three with

2156
02:42:42,980 --> 02:42:45,500
Reservoirs I I don't think we need a

2157
02:42:46,280 --> 02:42:50,380
I think we've already looked a lateral number eight long enough. I don't think we need to do

2158
02:42:51,080 --> 02:42:51,960
a special

2159
02:42:51,960 --> 02:42:55,060
test because that only added the length of time to

2160
02:42:55,060 --> 02:43:02,260
get the whole thing done. So I'm more in the camp of move forward now, phase three with

2161
02:43:02,260 --> 02:43:11,200
reservoirs, special assessment to finance it. That's kind of in the ballpark where I'm at.

2162
02:43:11,460 --> 02:43:21,400
Like it, I think we need to be holistic and look at East and West side to see that our whole

2163
02:43:21,400 --> 02:43:26,220
water shed, all the growers will pay for this, it helps everybody involved.

2164
02:43:28,340 --> 02:43:35,780
I grew a Joe, Joe, I love pilots, they're a lot of fun, and I think that's super-wise

2165
02:43:37,020 --> 02:43:43,500
to try new things out, new technologies, things that are risky, do a Joe said, try them

2166
02:43:43,500 --> 02:43:47,120
in a small area and see if they work, it's a no-brainer, I don't think anybody in the board

2167
02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:49,520
would get mad at you if it didn't work, right?

2168
02:43:50,260 --> 02:43:53,040
You're a lot worse than you do the whole system.

2169
02:43:53,260 --> 02:43:54,760
They might say they hate you.

2170
02:43:54,780 --> 02:43:55,680
They're a food sickness.

2171
02:43:55,880 --> 02:43:56,120
They do.

2172
02:43:56,340 --> 02:43:56,620
Super smart.

2173
02:43:56,740 --> 02:43:57,460
You got time.

2174
02:43:57,820 --> 02:43:59,560
You guys have a wealth of knowledge.

2175
02:44:00,100 --> 02:44:02,000
I know you're bringing up a lot of young people.

2176
02:44:02,780 --> 02:44:08,120
Hopefully they can learn and develop a culture of trying new things out.

2177
02:44:09,640 --> 02:44:13,740
And like I think Joe also said, I've given Joe all this credit.

2178
02:44:13,920 --> 02:44:15,860
I mean, I'm writing him down.

2179
02:44:16,120 --> 02:44:16,560
As you're saying.

2180
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:19,320
Yeah, I've never talked about the years we sang together.

2181
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:20,020
Exactly.

2182
02:44:20,840 --> 02:44:34,680
You know, AI is the talk of today and use all of those smart computers to help solve those issues you guys have.

2183
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:44,000
You know, one thing I would like to say, I joke, you know, $20 water is, I don't think that's the benchmark.

2184
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:50,080
But so, you know, you put value on how much you save.

2185
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:54,240
I think there's just water, so everybody knows.

2186
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:10,760
The board is, we've got a great board, we're a diverse board, a lot of different ideas, except for one of us, but it's okay. I think he's in.

2187
02:45:10,760 --> 02:45:11,980
I'll let him talk about it.

2188
02:45:13,220 --> 02:45:21,600
Well, the only thing I said about your piloting is I'm sensitive to Dr. Jonas point about timely timing. I've been here 15 years and I don't think I got 15 more.

2189
02:45:21,600 --> 02:45:24,260
And so I'd like to have it done 15, not in 25.

2190
02:45:25,360 --> 02:45:25,400
Yes.

2191
02:45:25,580 --> 02:45:26,740
I'm not saying to leave.

2192
02:45:26,860 --> 02:45:30,840
But I'm just saying if we have that technology out there, and he says one of the two points

2193
02:45:31,820 --> 02:45:35,620
of automating the saggates is the forward method, the other one is just actually controlling

2194
02:45:35,620 --> 02:45:36,180
it.

2195
02:45:36,480 --> 02:45:40,760
So let's do at least that one point that we can with what we got out there.

2196
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:41,060
All right.

2197
02:45:41,340 --> 02:45:46,680
And if we're looking at automating every single saggate for the whole whole system, why not

2198
02:45:46,680 --> 02:45:48,000
let's do one area?

2199
02:45:48,180 --> 02:45:50,380
See if we're really getting the labor savings that we're really going to get.

2200
02:45:50,380 --> 02:45:53,900
I'm looking at that 25-year plan and looking at what we're going to want to make it 15.

2201
02:45:54,620 --> 02:45:55,880
I don't know, screw you.

2202
02:45:56,180 --> 02:45:56,940
I'm talking about a pilot.

2203
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:02,000
We will work to develop a very speedy pilot for your consideration.

2204
02:46:03,300 --> 02:46:06,300
The direction, so I do want to point something.

2205
02:46:06,580 --> 02:46:11,120
I wasn't in prior as clear earlier, but you see when the two different approaches, the approach

2206
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:16,160
with the reservoir, because you are getting savings earlier though, but because you are

2207
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:21,460
the cost of the reservoir over time, it is a more costly approach. When you get to that

2208
02:46:21,460 --> 02:46:25,940
phase 4, it costs a hundred, somebody may end out of a versus a hundred and thirty-four.

2209
02:46:26,540 --> 02:46:31,020
And so, as we move forward, if the board's direction to, hey, we want to capture some of those savings

2210
02:46:31,020 --> 02:46:37,840
earlier for conservation, go with the reservoirs and then do CCC as well, then we will go with the

2211
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:41,640
TCC with reservoirs approach. Is that kind of where the board wants to go?

2212
02:46:42,220 --> 02:46:48,760
I just think the five and a half of our we've got the land built down there and there's water quality concerns out there and we need to get that done

2213
02:46:48,760 --> 02:46:53,900
It's in as we physically can economically so I think five and a half is already

2214
02:46:54,580 --> 02:46:56,680
You know have one here that says

2215
02:46:56,680 --> 02:47:02,100
Phase 1.2 a that is you know that reservoir and then the total Santa control

2216
02:47:02,100 --> 02:47:08,060
So I don't have a lot of information on those other two projects that you're talking about that adds an extra

2217
02:47:09,560 --> 02:47:11,880
Because that project is only 10 million correct.

2218
02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:15,040
So that's at an extra 26 million on those other two projects.

2219
02:47:15,280 --> 02:47:15,840
What you're saying?

2220
02:47:16,280 --> 02:47:16,940
That is correct.

2221
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:18,420
I don't know about that 26 million.

2222
02:47:18,840 --> 02:47:22,600
You have to raise more information back to me for me to give you a recommendation.

2223
02:47:22,860 --> 02:47:24,540
If we want to spend that 26 million.

2224
02:47:24,960 --> 02:47:27,720
But I think five and a half is definitely need to go forward.

2225
02:47:27,900 --> 02:47:30,460
So here's something that, like the opponent's table then,

2226
02:47:30,600 --> 02:47:31,780
we'll continue to look at five and a half.

2227
02:47:31,880 --> 02:47:33,040
It's already designed very good.

2228
02:47:33,220 --> 02:47:34,620
We got a grant application there.

2229
02:47:34,780 --> 02:47:36,640
When we get the grant, we move forward with that.

2230
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:41,760
The other thing on lateral 6 and 7 is it is a pump-back. It does have

2231
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:47,540
what the quality concerns us well. So what I heard is I put that in a push that out for the full consideration.

2232
02:47:48,380 --> 02:47:52,740
The lateral 1 and 3 we continue to have conversations with City Modesto. If there

2233
02:47:52,740 --> 02:47:58,360
it becomes fruitful, that could be a replacement. We won't have to make that could be very cheap water if I'm in that scenario.

2234
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:03,940
Well, I want to take care of Director Masino. He hasn't weighed in on anything.

2235
02:48:03,940 --> 02:48:06,340
I like the old system, I like to go bring the game.

2236
02:48:09,540 --> 02:48:10,420
Welcome folks.

2237
02:48:11,880 --> 02:48:13,960
It's a nice, fascinating presentation.

2238
02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:18,200
You know, I agree with both Michael and Joe, a pilot would be great, but again,

2239
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:23,380
because you're going to have to go sell it to all of our participants that you are.

2240
02:48:23,500 --> 02:48:25,380
Because you're going to talk about significant aid.

2241
02:48:25,380 --> 02:48:25,720
Don't worry.

2242
02:48:26,100 --> 02:48:32,480
But to a dock point, it's not $20 in acre water as much as it is for 40,000 acre feet a year.

2243
02:48:32,480 --> 02:48:36,520
It's basically, once every 10 years, once every 10 years,

2244
02:48:36,660 --> 02:48:38,900
you got another year of irrigation water, you saved up.

2245
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:41,680
So that reliability is, again, almost priceless.

2246
02:48:42,740 --> 02:48:46,220
So I think you got a great direction to get started and let's go.

2247
02:48:46,260 --> 02:48:48,320
I think we have enough to do what we can take

2248
02:48:48,320 --> 02:48:49,680
and to package something together.

2249
02:48:50,060 --> 02:48:51,140
And then with when we come back,

2250
02:48:51,280 --> 02:48:55,940
we can probably discuss strategy of implementation, as well.

2251
02:48:57,880 --> 02:48:58,500
That's right.

2252
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:02,460
So I did put next step, because there's no steps in there.

2253
02:49:02,460 --> 02:49:06,100
just because it's dependent on the feedback from the board and so we got a lot of

2254
02:49:06,100 --> 02:49:10,040
direction for you but what we do we will be coming back to the board with a

2255
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:16,500
more populated sets of projects to for the board to consider okay thank you for

2256
02:49:16,500 --> 02:49:23,420
your time you know thank you oh I want to speak I was just I can't you today

2257
02:49:27,700 --> 02:49:32,640
I was quick, Phil, I was quick.

2258
02:49:32,780 --> 02:49:33,640
He was ready for it.

2259
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:34,420
He was ready.

2260
02:49:36,280 --> 02:49:38,860
Yeah, we're going to move on to General Manor's update.

2261
02:49:40,300 --> 02:49:45,820
Yeah, I just also want to thank the staff for, you know, my career group, in particular,

2262
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:53,400
this is brave and it's in cooperation with all the staff and I think it's really cool to see

2263
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:58,240
his stuff excited and wanted to be part of like what's the vision for the future and you know

2264
02:49:58,240 --> 02:50:02,800
they their jobs might transition into something more technical and and they're excited about that so

2265
02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:09,000
um I hope I hope they all walk away with that and that they're building the future of TID like together

2266
02:50:09,000 --> 02:50:13,400
so anyways it's really cool to see because it has been a long time coming we've been talking about it

2267
02:50:13,400 --> 02:50:18,960
but never real action so so thank you all and thank you for the board for your valuable input

2268
02:50:18,960 --> 02:50:24,000
I think you guys have asked for this since long before I was GM but day one when I was GM.

2269
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:36,060
This was one on top of your list. So hopefully this satisfied that a couple of things and I went to look at it.

2270
02:50:36,060 --> 02:50:41,620
But Brad maybe remember last Wednesday was the kick off of the customer academy.

2271
02:50:42,340 --> 02:50:47,280
I'm going and I don't see the remember 25 people 21.

2272
02:50:47,280 --> 02:50:55,280
But anyways, the first night kicked off of being everybody loved it all excited and so it's for Wednesdays

2273
02:50:56,120 --> 02:50:59,510
Looking over there should have looked but anyways excited about that

2274
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:12,160
Last week director Masito staff and myself were in Washington DC for both the American Public Power Association and the Association of California Water Agentsies held their DC rallies

2275
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:17,160
jointly, so it was very convenient for us to hit both in one week, and obviously why we're back there.

2276
02:51:17,560 --> 02:51:24,500
We make Hill visits, it's good to check in with a lot of the committee staff, and then also, of course, our delegation.

2277
02:51:25,340 --> 02:51:37,640
So we talked covered a lot of topics and everybody's interested in voluntary agreements, which it was really helpful to talk specifically from the toalomy in the San Joaquin perspective, as we're in a different kind of phase with the state water board.

2278
02:51:38,120 --> 02:51:40,740
And then also we're the only ones not asking for money.

2279
02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:49,120
So they very much appreciated the fact that we are coming to the table with a comprehensive plan that is self-funded and can be implemented immediately.

2280
02:51:49,280 --> 02:51:51,000
So that was a really good point for us.

2281
02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:56,020
They always want to know where we're at with relaxing scene as we started this process in 2009.

2282
02:51:57,100 --> 02:51:59,440
So given them update where we're at with that.

2283
02:52:00,080 --> 02:52:07,380
The new habitat partnership with River Partners was a big hit in discussion about how they're helping us implement all of the habitat.

2284
02:52:07,380 --> 02:52:11,740
that we want to do on the 20, and then we took the opportunity, we kind of

2285
02:52:11,740 --> 02:52:20,920
talks a little bit about it when we were talking about the IRP, but just ongoing issues

2286
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:25,060
with transformers, supply chain, that's a big issue, and then just kind of holistically

2287
02:52:25,060 --> 02:52:26,160
about where California is.

2288
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:37,000
And kind of all those areas. So, anyways, was a good trip, I thought, and then of course, you know, director receipt of can add on to that.

2289
02:52:38,200 --> 02:52:38,700
That's all I have.

2290
02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:42,460
Very good. Okay. We'll move on to Business of the Board.

2291
02:52:42,980 --> 02:52:44,920
I'll go back to Dr. Elemo.

2292
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:45,480
No items.

2293
02:52:46,520 --> 02:52:46,740
Frank, Frank, Frank.

2294
02:52:46,980 --> 02:52:49,000
No, I'm nothing. Thank you to Michelle and you for that.

2295
02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:49,660
Thank you.

2296
02:52:50,100 --> 02:52:50,440
Thank you.

2297
02:52:50,900 --> 02:52:59,820
Yeah, I had something here I wanted us to think about entertaining the thought of doing an RFP for our general council position.

2298
02:52:59,820 --> 02:53:05,740
And I'd say that, knowing we had a very long and fruitful relationship with the General

2299
02:53:05,740 --> 02:53:06,100
Council.

2300
02:53:06,300 --> 02:53:11,560
We have now, I also look at the district as the needs of the district have changed substantially

2301
02:53:11,560 --> 02:53:13,540
over the last 10, 15 years.

2302
02:53:13,700 --> 02:53:22,700
We're not the same company we were 100 years ago and want to be very sensitive to existing vendors

2303
02:53:22,700 --> 02:53:27,800
and want to make sure they're included in the opportunity, but I do think as a public

2304
02:53:27,800 --> 02:53:33,620
agency, we owe it to the public to go out and look at these relationships and make sure

2305
02:53:34,300 --> 02:53:40,740
that there's an opportunity to consolidate our legal services. Every week when I review

2306
02:53:40,740 --> 02:53:45,060
the check register we have a lot of attorneys that we use for a lot of different things

2307
02:53:45,060 --> 02:53:50,880
and if there's an opportunity to consolidate some of that and save some money and also

2308
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:56,220
improve the quality of representation we're getting in some areas. I think we owe it to the

2309
02:53:56,220 --> 02:54:05,480
to look at that and start the RFP process for General Counsel, but I would like to hear from my colleagues on the board.

2310
02:54:08,650 --> 02:54:12,990
Yeah, we do have a long history with General Counsel.

2311
02:54:14,010 --> 02:54:19,790
I think culture changes and stuff, so it would be nice to go out to get an RFP.

2312
02:54:19,810 --> 02:54:28,470
I'm not sure how much they charge, but to be nice to see what the environment is in the landscape of General Counsel.

2313
02:54:28,470 --> 02:54:30,990
council. I'd be in favor of

2314
02:54:34,420 --> 02:54:39,640
that. I just love to hear Michelle's thoughts on this. Maybe

2315
02:54:39,640 --> 02:54:45,260
you can think about it. Maybe her and Brad can take a look at what David's talking about with

2316
02:54:45,260 --> 02:54:49,940
some of those other, if we're really going to see any cost savings with some of these other

2317
02:54:49,940 --> 02:54:54,240
lawyers that we're currently using, or those are just specified, and what you call them, especially

2318
02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:58,560
lawyers that you've got to use anyway. So I'd love to hear you guys as an analysis before I make

2319
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:02,140
management on this, I don't have enough knowledge to do that at this time.

2320
02:55:08,810 --> 02:55:11,730
Yeah, that's a tough one. It's a sensitive subject.

2321
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:17,600
I have a think about that a little bit.

2322
02:55:19,240 --> 02:55:25,000
There's, we actually've had a long conversation years ago, Dr. John, about the pros and cons

2323
02:55:25,000 --> 02:55:30,480
of having in-house counsel, and the T.I.D. board has always spelled it as better to have a third

2324
02:55:30,480 --> 02:55:35,340
party represent us as opposed to some of our neighbors who have their own on-staff attorney

2325
02:55:35,340 --> 02:55:40,800
be for general counsel, and I think that having outsourcing it has proven to be the better

2326
02:55:40,800 --> 02:55:41,720
path for TID.

2327
02:55:42,680 --> 02:55:47,440
But it doesn't mean we can't have reviews from time to time like we do many of our other

2328
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:49,960
third parties that we work with.

2329
02:55:50,420 --> 02:55:55,080
Well, that's what I'm thinking as a public agency, I mean, I'll ask the board members and

2330
02:55:55,080 --> 02:56:00,500
Brad and Michelle, have, when does anyone remember the last time we did an RFP for the position

2331
02:56:00,500 --> 02:56:01,360
of general counsel?

2332
02:56:02,620 --> 02:56:08,480
If we did a full RFP, I know we've looked at it, I think what Michelle came on, we would have to start off.

2333
02:56:08,780 --> 02:56:10,100
So there's 2024, I think.

2334
02:56:10,320 --> 02:56:11,480
2020, I mean?

2335
02:56:11,880 --> 02:56:15,960
Even when Larry Wieswell got on the board, for some reason we have talked about it.

2336
02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:17,700
I'll talk about it.

2337
02:56:18,340 --> 02:56:19,300
I know for a lot of things.

2338
02:56:19,300 --> 02:56:22,620
If you have the key to getting changed, I want to be clear that.

2339
02:56:22,620 --> 02:56:27,460
I want to be very sensitive and respectful to the people we're using now in these positions.

2340
02:56:27,900 --> 02:56:29,620
But I do think as a public agency,

2341
02:56:29,620 --> 02:56:36,020
we kind of owe it to our constituents to go out and see what's available and I'm not just

2342
02:56:36,020 --> 02:56:43,120
so much interested in saving money in the cost, that would be a nice added but who but what's

2343
02:56:43,120 --> 02:56:51,500
out there in the form of legal minds who may or may not do a lot better job than the ones we're

2344
02:56:51,500 --> 02:56:55,920
using now? I think there's ways to do that without going out for full RFP against public

2345
02:56:55,920 --> 02:57:08,400
I think people have connections and staff can talk to people, and I think they've been doing that over time, but I don't know if the full RFP process is best.

2346
02:57:12,060 --> 02:57:13,400
Maybe, but I don't know.

2347
02:57:14,260 --> 02:57:15,720
Yeah, I'm not sure.

2348
02:57:16,560 --> 02:57:19,720
I don't think we can give any direction today as to how to do that.

2349
02:57:19,960 --> 02:57:22,000
I think we'll...

2350
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:26,820
Maybe Executive Committee or something will discuss this a little bit further and how to bring this forward and go forward.

2351
02:57:26,820 --> 02:57:36,180
Yeah. Okay. That I have two items of DPRA last month. We heard a proposal from

2352
02:57:36,180 --> 02:57:39,560
Centek for a third party vote repair there. Always a lot of

2353
02:57:39,560 --> 02:57:44,340
consternation with the owner house votes and not for you and how that's going to work.

2354
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:48,360
But we're moving forward that. Also they give their report on maintenance.

2355
02:57:48,580 --> 02:57:53,060
There's seen video in a good job. It's going on there. And we had a workshop on

2356
02:57:53,060 --> 02:57:59,120
Potential new 50-50 amp campgrounds that there are no 50 amp campgrounds that don't p-drew

2357
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:00,980
but with these new and

2358
02:58:00,980 --> 02:58:03,460
fangles and better bigger and better

2359
02:58:04,520 --> 02:58:06,820
Trailer's motorhomes, they're looking for 50 amp

2360
02:58:07,220 --> 02:58:09,060
Service, so we're doing that

2361
02:58:09,900 --> 02:58:14,900
That's D. Ferre and like Jim Romaine Rhymer's reported I did attend

2362
02:58:16,240 --> 02:58:19,320
Last week with Josh Wymers and Michelle

2363
02:58:19,320 --> 02:58:23,040
I just like to say that we are very fortunate with

2364
02:58:23,060 --> 02:58:27,120
the staff we have, and the job they do there, and the connections they have inroads with

2365
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:31,400
they made there, they do a fantastic job of representing the district and getting their points

2366
02:58:31,400 --> 02:58:36,740
across and working, and know how it works, and there, and it was a pleasure to be alongside

2367
02:58:36,740 --> 02:58:42,800
with them, and I viewed my role as support there. They looked for the board with my name,

2368
02:58:43,220 --> 02:58:48,060
and I tried to do that, and because it was easy to do, because they do a very good job there,

2369
02:58:48,240 --> 02:58:52,540
and thank you for all that. It was good to go through the different agencies, and what we do,

2370
02:58:52,540 --> 02:58:56,180
in our constituents and take that back, that we're doing a good job here.

2371
02:58:56,440 --> 02:58:59,400
And it's kind of, it's kind of,

2372
02:58:59,660 --> 02:59:01,560
yeah, and I don't know what the right word is.

2373
02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:04,900
I'm proud to say that when you talk about all the issues in California

2374
02:59:04,900 --> 02:59:07,840
with PG&E rates and everything, and then Josh would always

2375
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:09,380
quick to point out that we're one and two

2376
02:59:09,380 --> 02:59:11,780
for his lowest rates in California there.

2377
02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:14,920
So it's always doing, I think, says we're doing a good job,

2378
02:59:15,080 --> 02:59:17,720
and then how we're working with the water and with the ASO,

2379
02:59:17,820 --> 02:59:19,120
and all we're doing, how we're managing that.

2380
02:59:19,620 --> 02:59:21,940
So it was very easy to do, and I appreciate going back there,

2381
02:59:21,940 --> 02:59:25,940
There's always pleasure to go back and for behalf of the district to DC.

2382
02:59:26,660 --> 02:59:29,920
With that, I will entertain a motion.

2383
02:59:30,100 --> 02:59:32,900
We have two items in closed session to adjourn to closed session.

2384
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:34,940
I'll make that motion.

2385
02:59:36,300 --> 02:59:37,120
There's second?

2386
02:59:37,320 --> 02:59:37,440
Second?

2387
02:59:38,540 --> 02:59:39,300
All those in favor, please.

2388
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:40,840
Aye.

2389
02:59:41,160 --> 02:59:41,360
Those.

2390
02:59:42,980 --> 02:59:44,180
And where are we at?

2391
02:59:44,620 --> 02:59:44,940
Okay.

2392
02:59:44,940 --> 02:59:49,580
I'd like to recommend that the TID meeting report, there's no action taken in closed session.

2393
02:59:49,940 --> 02:59:50,900
Intertain a motion to adjourn.

2394
02:59:50,900 --> 02:59:51,840
So moved.

2395
02:59:52,300 --> 02:59:52,440
Second.

2396
02:59:52,880 --> 02:59:53,340
All the favour?

2397
02:59:54,180 --> 02:59:54,560
Aye.

2398
02:59:57,080 --> 02:59:57,760
That was enough salad.