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Are we all ready? Good

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evening, everyone. I would like to call to order the special closed session meeting of the city council. It's 501 p.m. Meeting number 3106, Madam City Clerk, roll call, please. The record will affect that all members are in attendance this evening. Thank you. Next, we have public input. At this time, any member of the public may address the council. It matters which are on the closed session agenda. If any members of the public or participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand. And if you're calling in, please press star 9 to raise your hand. Madam City Clerk,

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Clerk and your request to speak.

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No, Mr. Mayor.

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Okay, seeing none in the room,

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we'll move on to the closed session update, Mr. City Attorney.

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The council will be convening in closed session

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to discuss agenda item one,

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to discuss a demand for payment from ATI Restoration LLC

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related to services ATI performed under contract

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with the city while the city was serving

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as the response action contractor for the United States Navy.

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In addition, the council will be convening

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with its real property negotiators, Aldo Schindler,

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Nick Colburnard, Brian Moncreefe, and Ryan Swantech

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as referenced in close session, agenda item five.

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Okay, thank you.

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We will now recess to close session.

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Wow, we will now recess to close session.

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I haven't banged the gavel yet, you guys can talk.

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We're figuring something out up here if you want.

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I'll let you know.

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Good evening, everyone.

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I'd like to call it to order meeting number 3106,

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the regular meeting of the City Council,

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the Test and Housing Authority.

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Thank you for your patience.

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Tonight's presentation of colors,

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Investors in vacation and Pledge of Allegiance is by American Legion.

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Gentlemen.

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Can't stand just to much of a stress you can sit down, but those of us who can remove your caps, please.

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We read in Proverbs chapter 3, verse 5 and 6, says,

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is trusting the Lord with all your heart,

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lean not into your own understanding.

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In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your path.

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Most times we come before you to see him. We come before you tonight asking for your Holy Spirit's guidance, wisdom and inspiration. As we begin this meeting, help us to engage in meaningful discussion. Allow our city council members to grow closer as a group and near to the bonds of community. Fill each one with the spirit of knowledge, understanding, truth and wisdom. Also,

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So, bless each council member with the spirit of love, compassion, and grace as our city council

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members make important decisions that affect the lives of our testing community.

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Finally, we ask that you continue to remind us that all that we do here tonight, all that

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we accomplish is for the pursuit of truth, for the great glory of you, Lord, and for the

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service of our country and humanity.

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We ask all these things in your name most high, all the Lord's people said.

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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I was once part of the American flag.

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I flew over America a land of the free because of the brave.

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I can no longer fix the fly the sun and win have caused me to be tattered and torn.

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Please carry me as a reminder that you are not for God me.

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Thank you.

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So I'd like to ask all the members tonight who had relatives that served in the military,

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regardless of what branch, World War I, World War II,

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engages we've been in as a country.

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If you'd come forward, I have something to share with you.

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Those who have relatives, pass present future, and who serve, and also currently

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serve in the military stand to the side, please make room for the others.

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And while they're doing this, if you care to sit down, that's fine, too.

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But I don't think you'd want to sit, have a seat if you want to, please, have a seat.

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We have quite a few tonight, and then have relative served in a military in which we are proud of.

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As I come to each one, please tell us about who you are and what relative served in the military, well, doing what engagement, thank you.

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I don't have a microphone.

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So just keep a little light.

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Thank you.

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My name is Jeanine Hernandez.

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My son recently retired after 21 and a half years in

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His civil civil star,

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purple heart recipient,

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and my son-in-law is also retired from the name.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Grandfather, Liroit Puffer served in the Korean conflict.

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cousin served in the Iraq.

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90s war.

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Okay, Steve Thorpe, Bill Garge served in Vietnam.

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My name is Anthony Pagoni.

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My grandpa is Rocco Pagoni, and he served in the Vietnam War.

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We're going here.

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My nephew, what?

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And the air force. Currently in the air force. Right now. Okay. Sorry. Some gifts. I'll go up

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back and leave now. It's called Parkinson's.

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My hand shakes. We got it. Still got to get

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that disease on the control. Yes, your name? Robert Hernandez. My dad, Rae served as a medic

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My name is Susan, my father Douglass served in the Korean War in the Army.

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My name is Penny, my grandfather served,

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not sure which war.

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Which branch? Which branch of service?

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I should know that.

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If it comes to mind, talk to us about it later.

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I'm going back. Oh my god, I'm getting like her. My nephew Crudwig is in the

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Marines right now serving the camp Pendleton. Thank you.

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Mania or Zadi, the Marine Corps, I served in Pulse, Japan and Korea.

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Thank you.

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And what was your name again?

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Thank you, Steve.

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You're very welcome.

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I'm sure those are in there.

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I'd like to thank all of you for your service.

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I know that you're all proud to have relatives who served our country proudly.

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And we will continue that same process today.

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Okay, as we continue to be the home of the free Land of the Brave, as we serve our community.

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Again, I want to thank all of you coming down and participating in this wonderful ceremony where we hear from our city council members all the things that we plan in the future and make things happen for us as a community.

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Again, thank you and God bless.

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thank you to our American Legion and thank you for those of you that participated in that ceremony.

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It's important that we remember either our own service or those of our loved ones who served both stateside and overseas.

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We've got a sound of an Air Force general, a sound of a Marine Corps fighter.

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And we've also got relatives up here too, but it's important that we recognize why we're free still today.

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So, with that, I'm going to move on to the presentations.

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We have one presentation tonight, which is the Orange County Hunger Alliance Hunger Action Month and I've asked Councilmember Fink to present the proclamation.

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Thank you, Mayor, and here's the proclamation, whereas hunger and poverty are issues of vital concern in California, where approximately 22% of California households and 27% of households with children experience food insecurity.

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And whereas everyone needs nutritious food to thrive and people are working hard to provide

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for themselves and their families, yet over 387,000 individuals including over 112,000

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children in Orange County are food insecure.

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And whereas the Orange County Hunger Alliance is committed to taking steps to combat hunger

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in the test and community and provide additional resources to those in need.

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And, whereas, in 2025, the Orange County Food Bank and Second Harvest Food Bank collectively

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recorded an average of 800,000 individual distribution visits per month from community

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members facing food insecurity and distributed over 72 million pounds of food.

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And whereas local organizations, such as Abound Food Care, 211 and Meals on Wheels, help

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facilitate food access to community members who need it.

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And whereas the month of September has been designated hunger action month to bring attention

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to food insecurity in communities and to enlist the public in the movement and hunger by

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taking action, by volunteering, donating and advocating, to ensure every community has

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the food they need to thrive.

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and whereas food banks and other organizations

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We will host events throughout the month of September to bring awareness and help and food insecurity in our communities. Now, therefore, the city council of the City of Tuscany, California, does hereby recognize September 26 as hunger action month. Thank you, Council Member Fink. And I believe we have Malia Kerry, the director of government affairs and community relations for Second Harvest Food Bank here, and I invite you to say some words.

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Yes, thank you. Thank you so much. My name is Malia Kerry.

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I work at second harvest food bank.

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We are one of two food banks here in the county.

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Both food banks serve the entire county,

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all 34 cities, including the city of Tustin.

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We have about 15 distribution locations here in the city.

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But as I said, we serve the entire county as well.

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Thank you, Mayor Lombard.

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Thank you, Council and the city of Tustin

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for recognizing September's Hunger Action Month.

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We're honored to say that all 34 cities in the county

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have declared September's Hunger Action Month,

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bringing awareness to the fact that a lot of folks here

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in Orange County still are experiencing food insecurity.

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One in six kids, as Councilmember Fink mentioned,

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that's 112,000 children here in Orange County.

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So thank you for the support,

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helping bring awareness to this issue,

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that we still have a lot of work to do as a community.

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and folks that support the food banks

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in the OC Hunger Alliance.

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So you can visit Second Harvest website.

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It's feedoc.org slash HAM for Hunger Action Month.

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We have a community calendar.

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We have a lot of events come volunteer with us.

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helps spread awareness and spread what you've learned tonight about these statistics

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that food insecurity unfortunately is still happening in our county but thank you so much

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we appreciate the support. Thank you for all the work you're doing and we have a

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proclamation we're going to present to you.

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Okay, next we have public input, at this time any member of the public may address the council on matters which are not on this evening's agenda provided the matter is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council.

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If any members of the public who are participating through Zoom wish to address the council, please raise your hand and if you're calling in please press star nine to raise your hand.

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Madam City clerk, I'm going to ask you to manage the list here please.

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Yes, Mr. Mayor, we currently have three requests to speak for public input.

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We do have additional requests to speak for item number 11, but for public input, we have Leslie H, and we'll take them in this order.

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Pam, Connell, and Jared Walsh.

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And if you're requesting to speak on item 11, we will have an opportunity for you to speak then as well.

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Excuse me, I'm still recovering.

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Hi, City Council.

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Hello, Mayor.

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My name is Leslie, and I'm a resident of Tuston.

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And I'm here to continue my opposition of the FOX system software being used.

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So today we're going to talk about a citizen named Bob Sklar.

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Bob Sklar lives in North Manchester, Indiana.

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He does what many are in our current climate, exercising his rights to speak to city councils,

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because he was worried about the surveillance and data retention happening with FOX ALPR.

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The more he dug, the city council re-issued public input limits because of him.

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the police department flagged and put an alert on his car and began to follow him.

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Mr. Sklar requested a public record report on his license plate because he wanted to know if he was being followed, especially by

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police officer Griffin Miller who always happened to be where Bob Skyler was when he was going out.

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Mr. Sklar's license plate was attached to as many as 98,000 ALPR cameras, and so he wanted to know why.

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The corresponding police department refused to tell him the reasons why or for how long they had done it.

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Sighting that they could not give away the name of the police officer who tagged him due to the officer's safety.

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Because yes, of course this police officer was facing danger following this victim.

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Bob Sklar is a white presenting tall man and for him to say that he doesn't feel safe driving in his usual road.

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Because now he has to avoid the cameras because you will

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I always find that one police officer following him should be enough to tell you what this technology is really for. Did he raise a concern to the police department itself? He did and again was told that there was nothing they could do to remedy or address the abuse because all flock data is exempt from disclosure under Indiana's investigator records extension. You could make the argument that this is in your police department, but they carried the same mission of public safety for approving and investing in this technology like your department.

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did. The ex-police chief and the ex-police captain signed this, and this is the reality

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that they signed us up for. Despite all the good work they may have done, the City Council

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is left to address the serious overreach and possible right violations that can and will

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transpire to the people and my neighbors of Tustin. Bob Skryer didn't commit any crime nor

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is he under any investigation. He sought the truth and acknowledged his liberty, but that

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I didn't matter because the cameras caught him and people didn't like him asking questions

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and digging for answers when he was given none.

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Now removing this technology is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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Your answer shouldn't be weighing what crimes have been solved to justify this piece.

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There are no neutral sides when you invest in the oppressor.

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This is the responsibility to carry being a citizen here to acknowledge the damage this

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brings to us and is yours for sitting in your elected position in the council.

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thank you. Thank you for your comments. Next speaker please.

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Good evening. My name is Pam Connell,

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and I'm here representing Heritage Place. These are apartments for low-income,

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and right now they are not being treated as low-income. They're treated as regular apartments.

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the amount that they're charging on rent increase are far too much and most

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everybody, everybody including every one of these people that came with me

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today have had increases over a hundred or more. It's low income that's what we

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expect it, the rent increases to be low also. We are unlimited income, we are

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in Social Security, we are in anything that you can think of, but $100, a more

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$200 rent increase is way too much. Now if these I submitted a form and everything

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with everybody's name on it, and you may take a look at it, but we would entirely welcome

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you to look at it and see that these people are from every nationality, that we have

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Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese.

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All of them are on low income.

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And when you get these hundred dollar increases every single month, every year, that means less groceries, less transportation, less help from everybody.

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We try to help each other as much as we can, but it's very, very difficult.

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I try when I go and get food, I try to spread it out and many of us all do that.

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We put it in the clubhouse for other people to take for what their needs are.

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We cannot constantly have these increases.

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It's been three years in a row.

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We ask that you please do not have us take this increase.

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this year. And for the coming years, if you could please lower that increase to

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about 3% instead of 8% and 10%. It's just too much for why the economy is

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right now, way too much. And as I said, Social Security hasn't gained anything, we

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haven't gotten a big raise. We're not going to get a big raise. And when we get a

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little race, it goes towards our health insurance, those of us that have health insurance, not

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everybody has it. So I'm begging you and almost demanding that you look at this as a

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Custom, family, unified area for us to not have to pay this.

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We are just desperate at this small community, but we're holding together as much as we can and helping each other.

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I hope this helps.

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Thanks.

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Thank you. Thank you for your comments. This is it.

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The city clerk indicated that she has a copy of the document that you submitted and we'll ask for copies up here, but we can't actually comment on things that are not agendas, but thank you for your comments. Madam City clerk, next speaker, please. Our next speaker is Jared Walsh.

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My name is Jared Walsh. I live in the city of testing, and I've lived here for about 10 years. The reason why I'm here is that my neighborhood has just been moved into a restricted parking district, and I applied for permits to park in front of my house and those permits were

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denied. There are several things that I've learned through applying for this permit process.

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Thing number one is that the city website does not accurately describe the process of applying

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for a permit. Nor does it describe all of the data that's required to get your permit approved.

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The permitting process is administered by a third party. That third party does not have a

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challenge process. Nor do they have a phone number to call. If you have an issue with your permit being

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denied. Your only option is to send them an electronic message that is time-boxed by the

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number of characters you can put into it and they only respond in writing. They require

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a lot of data to get a parking permit. You have to upload a copy of your driver license,

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of your car registration, eight different data elements about your car, and a utility bill.

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I live in the city of Tustin, so I use Tustin water, so it's especially confusing why you would

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need a utility bill to give me a parking permit.

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The fourth thing I've learned is that nobody in city hall or in PD actually understands

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how this process works.

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And if you try to challenge the process, you get passed around a bunch of different people

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and nobody is responsive.

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They offer that they don't know how the program works, but they also offer that they're not

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the one that would work it anyway and send you to somebody different.

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I've been working for about 30 days now to get my permits approved.

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But as I'm sitting here right now, I still don't have the right to park in front of my house overnight.

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I'm asking the council to consider three things.

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Thing number one, I would very much like for my permits to be approved.

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I uploaded all of the data that the third party vendor required.

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My permits were denied on a technicality because my utility bill that I uploaded was in my wife's name.

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The address is the same.

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I added her as a secondary person to the account, and my permits were still denied.

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I actually got one of them approved through the help of the PD, and subsequently that approval

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was removed.

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So I had one permit, and now I have zero, so I'm not, once again, able to park in front

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of my own home overnight.

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So I would like for my permits to be approved.

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I did follow the rules, I did upload all of the data that was required, and my permits

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were denied on a technicality that does not make any sense to me.

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In order for me to get a permit, I would either need to have my wife reapply and do all the work

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I've already done because the utility bill happens to be in her name, or I would need to change the owner of the utility bill in order to get my permits approved.

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It just seems burdensome and it seems like too much effort and work in a very high bar for just getting the right to park in front of your house.

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I can get on an airplane with my driver license, but the third party vendor that administers this parking permit process

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does not recognize that as a way to identify that I live at that residence.

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So the fact that my driver license, my car registration, and my utility bill all have the same address on them, I'm not hiding.

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It's not hard to find me. I still can't get a permit.

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The second thing I'd like to count on is-

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your three minutes are up, we understand, though,

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and we're gonna ask the staff look into it for you.

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So thank you, leave your comments.

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Next speaker, please.

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Mr. Mayor, we have one speaker on Zoom.

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Kundan.

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Hello, can you hear me?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Yes, okay.

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I'm Kundan.

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I'm here to continue advocating for public safety

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and the disc golf place in front of your park and testing.

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And I want to remind you that it is disc golf

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and nods as crispy, there's a lot hotter, and when it hits people, it hurts more, and I have

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been hit, other people have been hit. A pregnant woman has been hit, and in the discolve place that

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covers the entire park, there's not a dedicated space so it cannot even be fenced off. And it's been five

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weeks, I've been coming here every week, there's the full time, a solution has not been implemented,

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get under very leaves that should be a sign saying, you know, don't play at night, even

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a few days ago, I saw somebody playing at night. And that should be at least a sign.

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And I'm also here to protest one of the solutions that parts and recreations have proposed

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to me, which is basically to victim blame the people getting hit and just say don't get

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hit.

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Basically, what that is. And it seems to me that's more about protecting your liability and preventing a lawsuit rather than caring about public safety. And the reason why I'm saying is also because I now have additional evidence that shows that we're dealing with people when it comes to the players who don't care about public safety. I have screenshots. When I post it on next door and Facebook asking for incident reports and inquiry, I received a lot of gaslighting and sarcasm.

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and became blaming from the discount players.

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And I have presented one of the screen shots

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to Consumment Leaf Inc.

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and it parks and records and it's interested.

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I'll email you the screen shots.

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I don't have time to read it over here,

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but yeah, that's pretty much what I wanted to say.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Madam City Clerk, any other requests to speak?

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No, Mr. Mayor.

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Anybody in the room?

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Okay, for the record, I do want to note

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that we received an email from Michael Mavero

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We move on to the close session report, Mr. City Attorney.

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There was no reportable action.

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Thank you. Now we'll go on to the consent calendar.

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We have items 1 through 10. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion without discussion.

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Before I move on to public input, if you are here for a speaker during public comment and you want to leave right now, go ahead.

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We'll wait for a couple minutes.

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if you're not interrupting our business.

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All right, while they move out,

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public input for the consent calendar.

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If any members of the public wish to address the council,

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please submit a request to speak for them

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if you have not already.

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If any members of the public who are participating

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through Zoom wish to address the council on items one through ten,

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please raise your hand.

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And I have a request to poll items five, seven,

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and eight from council member Fink.

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Do I have any other request to poll items?

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Okay, we will take public input on the balance of the items.

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that in the city clerk any request to speak yes we have one request to speak on

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zoom the Kennedy Commission okay do

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we have an item number

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six there

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representative for Kennedy Commission I think your mic is muted and you have

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permission to speak if you'd like to go ahead okay

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well not available all right

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well let me know if they come back in the next five seconds any other requests to

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Can you speak on the consent calendar?

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Anybody else on Zoom or on phone?

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Okay, do you have a motion for the balance?

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Second.

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Not yet.

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Thank you.

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We have a motion in the second, Madam City Clerk.

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Roll call please end for the record.

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This is for items 1 through 4, 6, 9 and 10.

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Council Member Nielsen?

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Yes.

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Council Member Fink?

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Aye.

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Council Member Gallagher?

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Aye.

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May your attention now.

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Aye.

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May your number.

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All right.

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Pleasure and passes, five, zero.

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Thank you.

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Council member Fink pulled item number five,

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which is a work construction contract

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for the Armstrong Avenue pedestrian bridge

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and neighborhood desal phase two package two projects.

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Council member Fink.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Just first, appreciate the public works department

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and the staff putting together a getting a bid

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that's significantly lower even than the engineers estimates.

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And the work that you guys did to bring that down.

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So thank you for that.

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Just a question about the selected bidder.

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Do we have any information about if the workers on the project are going to have our local from Orange County of the Tested Area?

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Mr. City manager?

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Yeah, Mayor, I can answer that.

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It's not a requirement that we have in our bid process.

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So it's not an inquiry that we're going to make of the contractor.

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Good.

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I'll just say that I think it's something we probably should add to know who's coming in and benefiting from the projects.

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But I appreciate the project all will be item okay motion the second motion the second for the discussion

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Nope

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Madam city clerk

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Councilmember Nielsen. Yes, councilmember fink. Hi councilmember Gallagher. May a pro-temperiel. Hi

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May I number motion passes 5-0? Thank you ma'am

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Next we have item number 7 that was pulled by councilmember fink in its selection of a real-state broker for market

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And solicitation services for the South Hangar site. I'll just remember thinking. Yeah, I just, I think that we have a representative from CBRE here. And I'd like to perhaps solicit them to give us a little bit of flavor of how they view marketing the site. This is not one of the tip at our local reuse authority meeting last month. There was a great film that went through the process of how we are dealing with

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sites and one of the things that they're all

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motioning to you of the it's okay I'm going to get them up

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there in a second but I appreciate that I won't be that

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won't but there's a great film about the process for putting

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out sites for offering and we're in the middle of that with

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a bunch this is a pretty different site this has got a lot

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of history connected to it it's got a lot of conditions

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connected to it it's got a lot of challenges connected

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And so I'm curious if you could give us a little bit of insight as to how CBRE's experience on this front and how you envision marketing them, what you envision bringing to bear on that.

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So it's a sort of open-ended question, if you don't mind.

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I just have to have any input before we bring the broker up.

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Mayor yes.

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Our deputy city manager, real property, Brian Moncreefe can answer some of those questions

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in regards to the broker.

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Okay.

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Mr. Moncreefe.

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Thank you.

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Mayor Council.

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Council member Fink, we have, through the last, I would say, a couple of years established

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a process for putting properties out to the market.

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it, one important facet of that process is selecting a brokerage group that has the

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experience to tackle unique circumstances such as this.

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So while we select brokers based on their experience with particular land uses, this

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one is a very unique project indeed.

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And so CBRE, which is a global firm, has not only worked in a brokerage capacity, but

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a project management capacity with lots of hangers throughout California that are existing

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today and that have been rehabbed and renovated. So the CBRE representative, Anthony, do the

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Renzos here to answer any of your questions and dive into it a little bit further if you desire.

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Okay, and I'll say should the council adopt a South recommendation that my understanding and I believe

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all of our understanding is that council members will have the opportunity to speak with the selected

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broken after that selection is made, but Anthony?

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Good evening.

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You're right, it's an exciting project and definitely not one that's traditional to Orange County

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from a land use perspective.

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But the good news is it's not the first time an adaptive reuse has occurred for airplane

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surplus hangers.

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This has occurred up north, it's occurred at the Spruce Goose.

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The vision for that site, it's hard to imagine what it's going to look like, but it is iconic.

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And I think the community and how we looked at it was, it'd be wonderful to see that site continue on, but in a reimagined way in some capacity.

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What I mean by that is, and I'll give you an example.

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Fortunately, we were selected and executed on the Ziggurat site down in South County, relatively recently that closed a couple of weeks ago.

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And to say that was a site sort of similar with its attributes and its history was an understatement.

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And we undertook a strategy just really to mark it as wide as we could.

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And what I will say is on that transaction, we are surprised by some of the people who came to the foreground.

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And while at the end of the day, it's not, you know, the secret Hogue Hospital purchased that property.

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What I will say is some of the other bidders who had ideas for that site were incredible in grant.

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Hogue at the end of the day stood tall and won the assignment.

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But I would expect nothing less with your site.

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I think it's so unique and I think what I could come up here and give you 100 different

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ideas for it.

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And what I promise you, we're going to be surprised.

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There's going to be 105 and five of them will come out of left field and the beauty is,

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I suppose it's up to you to decide which direction you want to take it.

448
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,800
There's a lot of investigation.

449
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,260
When we are looking at the site itself, there's a lot to unpack.

450
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:57,020
Both from the land use, the environmental, the cost to rehab, and so I think first and foremost how we would engage on it is to really understand there's a room of documents that we'd love to crawl through to better understand some of those conditions, because I think once we do that, we'd have a better sense on how to position the property in the best light.

451
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:59,440
Do you have a sense of

452
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:29,550
And you may not fully have a sense of this yet, so it's okay. But do you have a sense of how to position the property given there's a really long-term issue out there with the remediation and the ultimate transfer to the city and potential short-term uses until we get to that sort of long-term, more permanent state? And to seek opportunities for both maybe?

453
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:34,970
or how do you deal with that, not conflict, but that issue?

454
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:43,110
It's a great question, and I think there's so many components to that answer, let's talk short-term, right?

455
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:50,030
That site needs a considerable amount of capital to put in a position where people could get through it.

456
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:55,370
So it's, I think, first and foremost, understanding what those capital constraints might look like, who's going to bear them?

457
00:40:56,750 --> 00:40:59,990
If someone comes in and does want to bear them, what's the responsibility?

458
00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:04,670
What kind of engagement will they want with you folks and the city from a long-term perspective?

459
00:41:05,010 --> 00:41:09,630
And when I say short-term, long-term, a trigger point for my understanding is plus or

460
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:14,390
minus 2042, give or take, I think that's when a trigger with the Navy occurs.

461
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:21,470
And so I think part of the bridge is how do you get to that point in a real effective way?

462
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:22,550
Can the Navy be a partner?

463
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:27,330
I think in some capacity that's another component to maybe accelerate some of those timeframes.

464
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:34,130
So, long-term, the costs are going to dictate much of it.

465
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:40,430
And I think understanding not only the cost to renovate it and to rebate to a seismically

466
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:46,070
retrofit it, but then also to remediate the site so that whatever use finds a strategy there

467
00:41:46,070 --> 00:41:48,130
can actually operate properly.

468
00:41:48,850 --> 00:41:50,510
My last question is,

469
00:41:53,410 --> 00:42:18,550
your compensation on this deal is a commission situation, and we're putting it out there and we don't know if any of the hundred or 105 ideas that come are actually going to work, you know, what's your sort of position if you look at that and say we don't have the right project for testing and all the work in time you put in doesn't come back with a commission end on that.

470
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:21,690
How do you deal with that financially?

471
00:42:22,590 --> 00:42:25,970
Are you accepting of that possible eventuality?

472
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:31,490
Yeah, I'd love to say we sell 100% of the projects we take on, but unfortunately, it's not the case these days.

473
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:35,890
I sell a lot office buildings, and you know, that's not the easiest world to pay in.

474
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:37,850
So we'd accept it.

475
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:42,910
We're excited for the opportunity to work with such a great organization on such an exciting project.

476
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:43,910
I mean, it's iconic.

477
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:46,730
And to throw that word out, it sounds very brokerish.

478
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:48,510
I get it, but it really is.

479
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:54,630
And so we'd be delighted to work on it, even without the promise of an eventual payday potentially there.

480
00:42:57,140 --> 00:43:08,640
I appreciate you being willing to answer some of these questions are very important to start the dialogue on how we shape the offering in the future of that very iconic site for our city, so I appreciate the questions in the dialogue.

481
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:12,760
Any other comments or I'll entertain the motion?

482
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:31,000
I appreciate that as well and I'm sure everybody will have up here and out there will have a lot more questions over the coming months too, so I appreciate you answering those and I've worked with your colleagues as well and looking forward to them.

483
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Thank you.

484
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,520
All right, Madam City Clerk, roll call please.

485
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:35,640
Council Member Nielsen.

486
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:36,400
Yes.

487
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:37,520
Council Member Feake.

488
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:38,020
All right.

489
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Council Member Gallagher.

490
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:39,560
Aye.

491
00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:40,560
Mayor Pertencia.

492
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Aye.

493
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:41,940
Mayor Lumberg.

494
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:42,240
Aye.

495
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,140
Motion passes.

496
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:43,840
5-0.

497
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:44,620
Thank you.

498
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Next we have item number 8, which is the second reading in adoption of ordinance number 1582,

499
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,480
amending test and city code chapter 4 section 1415, powers and duties generally, Council Member

500
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:55,760
Feake.

501
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,240
Thank you, Mayor.

502
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:13,460
This is just a second reading, and I just wanted to briefly respond to a couple of the points that the other council members brought up last time, and there were fair points, and I'd say just two things.

503
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:27,220
One is, I think it was council member Nielsen, as an excellent point that part of this is, my thought of part of this is that we're going in the wrong direction is that we should have more than just one point of failure.

504
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:32,460
for input into the council. So council member Nielsen's point, it's absolutely correct

505
00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:36,500
is that the city council is the oversight for that. The challenge with that is we all

506
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:41,780
have limited time if we had Irvine level staffing or something like that. We might have a

507
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:47,020
little bit more ability, but we're all reliant on ourselves and the staff. And so that's

508
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:50,320
why I'm asking for, you know, suggesting that we might want to move in the other direction

509
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:56,000
to have some other point so that there's not a single point of failure. Second is, and

510
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,960
mayor mentioned this. We want to take a professional advice and I agree with that.

511
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
And again, just to be clear, the direction that I don't think moving in an elected direction, but an appointment for those positions. And so we have just a second point of professional advice coming from a different perspective. So, final comment is, once again, it's not directed at existing staff or leadership. It's just the opposite. This type of measure is easy to adopt. And we're admittedly we're halfway there.

512
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:36,800
So some of this is clean up, but this type of measure is easy to adopt and move forward when we have good leadership.

513
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:43,740
But my point is, we should probably think about pulling that back for cases where we don't know what happens.

514
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,040
So that's all I have.

515
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:45,540
Thank you.

516
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:47,800
Fair enough. I'm going to move some recommendation.

517
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:48,580
Do I have a second?

518
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:50,720
Second, second.

519
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:52,360
Any further discussion?

520
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:55,360
Can I have a sitting clerk roll call please?

521
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,080
Council Member Nielsen?

522
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:57,400
Yes.

523
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,380
Council Member Fink?

524
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:58,700
Thank you.

525
00:45:58,700 --> 00:45:59,200
Thank you.

526
00:45:59,420 --> 00:46:00,480
Council Member Gallagher.

527
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:01,800
Mayor Potomstow.

528
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,140
Mayor Lemberd.

529
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,400
Hi.

530
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Motion passes.

531
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:04,960
4-1.

532
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:06,380
Council Member Fink dissenting.

533
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:07,580
Thank you.

534
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,260
We're going to now move on to our public hearing items.

535
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:11,460
We have three items tonight.

536
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,800
And the first one is item number 11, which is vacation of an early-centred drive.

537
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,720
If anybody wants to leave, they can.

538
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,240
I'm going to open the public hearing.

539
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,380
And I'm going to bring up Mike Gristo, director of public works, for a presentation.

540
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:31,720
or are we going to, yeah, I'm not going to bring you up, but you can present from there if you'd like.

541
00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:32,660
Good evening.

542
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:36,840
Mayor Mayer, Mayor Pro Tem, Council.

543
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:39,880
Thanks for the opportunity to give a quick presentation tonight.

544
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,900
The item for your consideration is the vacation of Enderly Center Drive.

545
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:49,840
Enderly Center Drive is a north-south roadway connecting 17th Street in Yorba,

546
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:55,200
bookend by Yorba Street on one side, I'm sorry, from 17th to Vanneberg

547
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,080
Lane, bookend with Yorba Street and prospect on either side east and west.

548
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:10,630
The vacation process has the city remove its interest over a access easement owned by

549
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:14,870
the end release former end release center trust they had a recent transaction and

550
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:19,770
escrow owned by the new developers of Campo LLC. The timeline for this

551
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:26,570
This project, on May 28th, 2026, the city received that formal request from the property owner to vacate and release center drive.

552
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:41,730
On the 16th of this year, pursuant to California highway, street and highway code sections 8320 through 8325, the city council adopted resolution 2630 declaring its intent to vacate and release center drive.

553
00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:49,290
July 28th, planning commission adopted resolution 4552, approving the general plan.

554
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:53,970
and conformity and pursuant to government code 65402.

555
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:56,270
Tonight, in front of you is the public hearing

556
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:59,090
to hear such testimony on the vacation for this item.

557
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:04,810
The findings, the city does not own the land and fee.

558
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:07,950
Enderly Center Drive has been operated long-term

559
00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:11,410
on and access easement and partnership

560
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:12,790
with Enderly Center Trust

561
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:15,310
that recently changed ownership

562
00:48:15,310 --> 00:48:18,190
to BW Campo 1 LLC

563
00:48:18,190 --> 00:48:21,130
and Interco Corp SoCal-1 LLC.

564
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:23,950
They own the land outright in fee,

565
00:48:24,490 --> 00:48:25,950
and the city operates an access easement

566
00:48:25,950 --> 00:48:26,850
for roadway purposes.

567
00:48:28,050 --> 00:48:30,250
Interly center drive has been found unnecessary

568
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:32,290
for present and prospective public use,

569
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:34,590
and the vacation of Interly center drive

570
00:48:34,590 --> 00:48:36,610
does not constitute a gift to public funds,

571
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:38,990
as the city operates only this roadway

572
00:48:39,550 --> 00:48:41,590
with an access easement only.

573
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:44,930
Vacating the roadway reduces current long-term

574
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:46,470
financial obligations of the city

575
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:47,790
for routine maintenance.

576
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:54,270
California Street and Highways Code section 8324

577
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:55,630
requires these two findings.

578
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:58,370
At the hearing, the legislative body shall hear

579
00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:01,310
the evidence offered by a person interested.

580
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:03,930
And if the legislative body finds,

581
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:05,170
from all events submitted,

582
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:07,030
that the street highway or public service

583
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:09,070
easement described in the notice of hearing

584
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:11,030
or petition is unnecessary for present

585
00:49:11,370 --> 00:49:12,890
or prospective public use,

586
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:15,470
the legislative body may adopt by resolution

587
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:16,750
vacation of that street.

588
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:31,350
Recommend recommendation before you tonight is the adopt resolution 2649 ordering the vacation of inter-release center drive and authorize the city manager to take all appropriate actions to execute that process.

589
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:35,210
That concludes my presentation but I'm happy to answer any questions.

590
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:43,390
Okay, before we start public input, I want to note for the record that we did receive 22 letters in opposition of this action.

591
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,870
The letters were distributed to the city council and they made available to the public on the city's website.

592
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:54,170
I do have one request to speak but I do have a question for staff maybe it's for you Mike a lot of these letters

593
00:49:54,170 --> 00:49:59,970
That we received had fire safety concerns outlined in them and I want confirmation from staff

594
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,260
So, we have a grant that we ran this through OCOA and the professionals for Fire Safety that the City contracts with, that agency, and receive some sort of response on that, can we comment on that? Yeah, I happy to. We work with OCOA every step along the way for development process. They're part of our design review team, plans go to their headquarters. They get reviewed for accessibility, turning radius, access, egress, everything that they need to do to continue to serve the community at the levels they have today. We have specifically taken

595
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:31,480
in the comment letter provided in the packet

596
00:50:31,900 --> 00:50:33,480
and share that with the OCFA partners

597
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,220
and they confirmed that they have no further concerns.

598
00:50:36,820 --> 00:50:37,600
Okay, thank you for that.

599
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,660
And then there was kind of a nuance item

600
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:42,080
in that your presentation about the city's interest

601
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,380
but not ownership in the street.

602
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,980
Maybe the city attorney can comment on that

603
00:50:44,980 --> 00:50:47,040
or you, Mike, or whoever wants to.

604
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:49,040
What are we doing here?

605
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:50,440
Are we selling the road?

606
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:52,120
Or is it not our road to begin with?

607
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:53,640
It's not our road to begin with.

608
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,840
That there's a fee title,

609
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:57,780
the owner of the property owns the property

610
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:04,600
all the way to the middle from each side of the owners owns to the middle of the right of way.

611
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:13,200
The city simply has an easement, which is a right to use property and it exists until it either expires or in this case is vacated.

612
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:22,700
Once it's vacated, it just means that that property remains the ownership of the neighboring properties and that they're free to use it without that incumbrance in place.

613
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:28,740
Okay. Thank you. And lastly, the frame maybe discussion is planning commission heard this item for the actual project itself.

614
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:33,960
And that can we comment on that process and what happened to the planning commission hearing just for the history.

615
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:35,040
I think it's in the staff report, but.

616
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,580
Sure, we've got our director of community development.

617
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:40,620
I'm going to ask the Lexi to come to the, the dice.

618
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:47,060
And the point I'm trying to make for council and the audience, anybody who's interested in this item is.

619
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
We're not voting on the project itself right now.

620
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,020
This is having to do with the relinquishing of an easement over a road that is owned by

621
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:59,580
the Innerdly Center Trust and now a new LLC, but we're not actually deliberating on

622
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:00,140
the project itself.

623
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:01,180
Go ahead.

624
00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:02,220
Thank you very much, Mary.

625
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Yes, thank you for the question.

626
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,880
The planning commission did hear this item and improved all entitlements related to the

627
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:13,000
project contingent upon this council vacating the street and relief street.

628
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Okay.

629
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:14,500
Thank you for that clarification.

630
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:15,480
All right.

631
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:16,560
I will stop hogging my mic.

632
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,720
There are other questions for staff from the council before we bring up public speakers.

633
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,740
Just Council Member Gallagher.

634
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:28,600
Yeah, and there was a lot of comments from the community about traffic impacts.

635
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:34,420
And then from, so from what I understand, looking at the traffic studies is that the impact

636
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:41,260
of vacating this portion of the road was evaluated and that it did not lower the grade.

637
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,580
So traffic is put at grades when they evaluate it did not lower the grade to the next lowest

638
00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:52,360
is that accurate? Yes, that's correct.

639
00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:57,860
Okay. So the impacts were marginal as the way they would maybe describe it or limited?

640
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,900
Yeah, for a little bit more context, traffic engineering kind of has a report card system.

641
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,240
And so as we look at intersections, major thoroughfares, they are graded.

642
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,620
A meaning you can, there is no traffic. You can make your way anywhere you want to go.

643
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:14,800
No one's slowing you down. You're at the speed limit the whole way.

644
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,900
BECD, just like a report card, it gets worse as we go on.

645
00:53:19,980 --> 00:53:23,940
Collectively in Orange County, most cities, all of our surrounding

646
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:27,660
members, including the city of Tusson, operate or major thoroughfares and

647
00:53:27,660 --> 00:53:32,060
intersections at a level of service D. That is a planned level of service,

648
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,700
based on the metro area, the urbanization, and just really the congestion.

649
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,580
And so the area surrounding this development, including Andrew Lee Center,

650
00:53:42,580 --> 00:53:50,140
We studied 12 specific intersections. They're all operating at level of service D and will remain operating at level service D

651
00:53:50,140 --> 00:53:57,240
With or without the new development. Okay, so not ideal, but we're not having an impact a significant impact from correct this change

652
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:03,040
It's I'm not saying it won't be different. I'm saying it'll it'll be at a similar level that we have operated today understood

653
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:11,380
Just following up on councilmember Gallagher's comment about traffic traffic. Obviously is very important

654
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:13,940
or we don't want to adversely impact residents

655
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:15,080
from the new product is built.

656
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:17,720
When you did the traffic study was based on

657
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,960
the original 400 units or based on what is actually being built

658
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,180
which is 100 residential units plus commercial.

659
00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:24,760
We looked at both.

660
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,320
Okay.

661
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,520
So back in 2122, the city was an arena rezoning process.

662
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,660
We were looking for opportunities for sites

663
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:32,700
to potentially redevelop.

664
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,040
So we did a traffic study at that time

665
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,500
that looked at 400 plus units and showed

666
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,600
that we can still operate at that level of service.

667
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:46,120
And then when Campo came in specifically, we reevaluated that with the developer.

668
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,820
They've met all of our conditions, answered our questions, and confirmed we will be able to continue to operate at that level service.

669
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:52,820
Okay, thank you.

670
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,980
And then the other question is, with the vacation of that particular parcel, did the city have any on-

671
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,840
I'm going to go and cost to maintain that particular by-way and if so, what were the annual costs to the city to maintain that road? There's always ongoing maintenance for roadways. We work through the entire city with seven different pavement zones annually. So, each year, we do one zone. When we go through that area, we would have maintenance costs anywhere from 150,000 up to 300,000 at any given time. For that could be as much as a grind and resurface, concrete work, gutter improvement,

672
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:44,180
We do that every seven years, so really over a 30-year lifespan we have a potential of saving up to $2 million by not having ownership or any right ownership's not the correct word, but not having maintenance requirements for that easement, Broadway.

673
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:46,380
Okay, great. Thank you very much. I'm going through the questions.

674
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:49,880
Thank you, Mayor.

675
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:55,380
And this keys off the other things, but my understanding is this study, I understand

676
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,120
the grading system.

677
00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:03,420
But as I understand it, the project, which we're not addressing tonight, but has some impact

678
00:56:03,420 --> 00:56:10,220
here, the approval of that project will ultimately result in a slight downtick in the number of anticipated

679
00:56:10,220 --> 00:56:14,060
trips per year if I understood the reports about that.

680
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:18,460
Yeah, there are conditions that do support that.

681
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,840
What I will say, it's kind of time of day, right?

682
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:25,080
It's an interpretation, you know, really of the impacts.

683
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,560
And so that really makes it hard from a traffic engineer perspective.

684
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:30,240
And we really stick to kind of a level of service.

685
00:56:30,420 --> 00:56:35,000
You know, really that puts us in a very specific grading matrix for

686
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,360
how all of our transportation quarters, how they effectively move.

687
00:56:40,460 --> 00:56:41,220
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

688
00:56:41,220 --> 00:56:49,680
I have some questions, Mr. Grisso, as we talked previously, it's going to put pressure

689
00:56:49,680 --> 00:57:00,300
obviously on the Yoruba 17th Street intersection, something that we need to kind of keep a continual

690
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:09,620
monitor of as the project unfolds and even through construction and also through completion

691
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:16,180
as to seeing if there's any sort of mitigation that's necessary once we see what the actual

692
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:24,780
true facts are in that regard. So, sure, and we completely agree. We're not forecasting those

693
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:29,560
types of impacts as we, as a traffic study, you know, kind of analysis. It comes to completion,

694
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:34,340
but it's always our commitment. It's always our commitment to this community to try to effectively

695
00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:38,200
move them, you know, anywhere they need to get around town on their commute to work, on their way

696
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:43,100
home to get to soccer practice. We want to make sure that's efficient. As we can, understanding

697
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:47,920
we work within constraints, right? We're off of a major thoroughfare, you know, 17th street,

698
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:53,800
right off the 55th freeway, at peak days, or peak hours of every day, it's going to be congested.

699
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,320
And I think it's congested now. It's going to continue to be congested. But what we do, we always

700
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:03,520
have the opportunity to continue our partnerships. We work regionally with Orange County Transportation

701
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,020
implementation authority on synchronization projects, on ultimate build out conditions.

702
00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:11,120
We look at long-term master plan of our two highways.

703
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:18,200
We have these type of partnerships, specifically CalTrans and that close to that intersection is going to be an important one.

704
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:25,320
We will continue to monitor and as needed bring back those type of recommendations to council for consideration if those conditions present themselves.

705
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,640
Okay. Thank you.

706
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:34,980
Okay. We did a lot of talking. There is at least one request to speak. So I'm going to open the public input portion for this item.

707
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:38,240
And if any members of the public wants to address the council, please submit a request to speak for them.

708
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:41,040
If you've not already, and if you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand.

709
00:58:41,580 --> 00:58:43,840
Madam City Clerk, can you please manage this process?

710
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,840
Yes, Mr. Mayor. We currently have three requests to speak in person.

711
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:54,940
The first one is Patricia. Next, we'll have Liz Allen and then Gary Wagner.

712
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:55,580
I

713
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:06,470
have copies of the document that I'm going to read from.

714
00:59:07,930 --> 00:59:08,610
If you'd like.

715
00:59:10,210 --> 00:59:15,030
I sent this to the city clerk should have been received last week.

716
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:23,910
I don't know if you already requesting that it be given to the mayor and city council and

717
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:25,990
the county fire authority.

718
00:59:27,070 --> 00:59:28,870
Did you see that?

719
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:33,770
We that was part of what I said earlier that we received the 22 copies of what appears to be that letter.

720
00:59:33,930 --> 00:59:34,070
Yes.

721
00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:37,190
I also sent.

722
00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:45,270
Oh, I'm sorry. My name's Patricia Molten and I live at the Quail Meadows condominiums which are on Vandenberg Lane.

723
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:55,110
I sent each of you an email on August 24th giving my arguments against the closure of vendor Lee Center Drive.

724
00:59:55,110 --> 00:59:59,970
But since then, I was given this document that hopefully I can read it.

725
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,960
And three minutes with more legal objections.

726
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:11,000
It's submitted by the concerned residents of

727
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:19,960
Tustin to the people I just mentioned. We formally object to the proposed vacation

728
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:28,400
and closure of Enderly Center Drive, granting this street closure to accommodate a private

729
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:35,820
developers design configuration creates an immediate catastrophic threat to human life regarding

730
01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:44,040
fire evacuation and emergency response. Approving this resolution exposes the city of

731
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Tustin to immense long-term civil liability. Critical threat to life, wildfire and structural

732
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520
fire evacuation bottlenecks.

733
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:00,340
Endearly center drive is a vital neighborhood emergency egress route.

734
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:10,240
Eliminating this right of way, clusters local traffic into a severely restricted bottleneck.

735
01:01:10,900 --> 01:01:12,240
Evacuation traps.

736
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:19,440
In a fast-moving fire event, hundreds of escaping residents, and this would include the residents

737
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:28,240
of your project will be forced into fewer roads creating gridlock that could trap citizens in

738
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:35,580
the path of a fire. Emergency delays, entering Orange County Fire Authority, heavy apparatus and

739
01:01:35,580 --> 01:01:42,800
ladder trucks will be forced to compete with fleeing resident traffic on a single choked access point,

740
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,500
delaying life-saving intervention when seconds matter.

741
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:53,340
Number two, absolute discretionary immunity waiver and future tort liability.

742
01:01:54,020 --> 01:02:00,100
Why public entities generally enjoy immunity for poor judgment in planning decisions?

743
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,780
Am I out of time?

744
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,620
You're very polite, but yes, you are as time.

745
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:10,940
And just if it makes you feel any better, those letters have been posted on the city's website in connection with this staff report.

746
01:02:10,940 --> 01:02:13,300
So that everything that you were reading is already part of the public record.

747
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:21,120
But the conclusion, just quickly, we demand the council deny resolution number 2630.

748
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:27,980
At minimum, we request a continuance of this hearing until the Orange County Fire Authority

749
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:36,860
can issue a statement that will result that this closure will result in zero net delay to

750
01:02:36,860 --> 01:02:40,060
neighborhood evacuation times and fire department

751
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:42,140
responsibilities.

752
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:43,740
Thank you for your time.

753
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:44,720
Madam City Clerk.

754
01:02:47,950 --> 01:02:49,410
The next speaker is Liz Allen,

755
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:52,880
and then Gary Wagner.

756
01:02:59,070 --> 01:03:02,970
Hi, I'm Liz Allen, and I am opposed to closing

757
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:04,690
interlease center drive.

758
01:03:04,690 --> 01:03:06,410
I live in park testing.

759
01:03:06,550 --> 01:03:08,790
I've lived there over 30 years now.

760
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:13,470
And over those years, more and more people

761
01:03:13,470 --> 01:03:20,490
use Enderly Center Drive as a way to not have to get on to 17th or prospect or

762
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:25,790
your, but it's a safe, smaller street way out of the neighborhood.

763
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:27,950
You have a lot of seniors,

764
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:32,970
Enderly Gardens, and all those homes off of your by and

765
01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:38,770
Quell Meadows, a lot of seniors don't like to drive on 17th because it's busy.

766
01:03:38,770 --> 01:03:44,330
and they prefer the smaller, simpler streets to get out of the neighborhood.

767
01:03:45,370 --> 01:03:53,990
And I'm, I'm baffling how you can add 100 new homes, which would be like 300 new cars.

768
01:03:54,410 --> 01:04:00,450
And then on prospect in Vandenberg, you're going to have another complex. It's going to bring in,

769
01:04:00,450 --> 01:04:08,370
you know, probably another 300 cars. So why do you want to add 600 new cars to that small little

770
01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:16,130
area and take away a street. It seems to me you would want to add a street for all these

771
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:23,010
additional cars. I know there are studies and all that, but half the time these studies

772
01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:29,150
aren't reality. The reality is you're bringing in a lot more hundreds and hundreds of cars

773
01:04:29,650 --> 01:04:35,110
and you're going to take away a street. And 17th, as you said, is already ridiculously

774
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:40,670
congested, and now you're going to make it even more congested, you know, along with

775
01:04:40,670 --> 01:04:46,530
your buy and prospect. So it just, it doesn't make sense to take away a

776
01:04:46,530 --> 01:04:50,390
screen. So I'm asking you to please not vacate

777
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:55,290
Enderly Center Drive, and I don't know if it matters, but I used to be the caregiver

778
01:04:55,290 --> 01:04:59,670
from Margin Wallace, Inderly, and they used Inderly Center Drive.

779
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,500
All the time to get out of our neighborhood. So thank you for your time. Thank you for your comments. Council clerk.

780
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:12,030
Gary Wagner.

781
01:05:17,090 --> 01:05:36,110
Mayor City Council members, my name is Gary Wagner. And I'm here in objection to the proposed vacation of an early center drive. And the way I look at it is that the issue before us tonight is does the benefit of the culminating the private developer outweigh the risk of

782
01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:40,910
reducing public safety access and exit from the neighborhood, right?

783
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:47,850
When the potential benefit of the developer is a developer's convenience,

784
01:05:48,490 --> 01:05:53,810
but the potential risk involves human safety, evacuation capacity,

785
01:05:54,030 --> 01:05:59,950
and emergency response, the prudent choice is to err on the side of public safety.

786
01:06:00,390 --> 01:06:04,190
When I first heard about this product that they were going to build these units, no problem.

787
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:06,330
I mean, I thought, and then they wanted to close

788
01:06:06,330 --> 01:06:07,170
and really center drive.

789
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:09,290
I said, you know, they're probably going to actually

790
01:06:09,290 --> 01:06:11,950
put houses on that street, right?

791
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:14,490
But it turns out they're not going to do that.

792
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:16,210
They're not going to put any houses on it.

793
01:06:16,350 --> 01:06:20,250
So they don't actually need that street for their development.

794
01:06:20,430 --> 01:06:23,290
They can completely, and I'm all for the development.

795
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:26,870
They can completely build whatever they need to do.

796
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:29,110
They don't need to block off that street.

797
01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:29,970
They don't need to.

798
01:06:30,330 --> 01:06:32,230
There's nothing that adds to their project

799
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:36,050
that makes the need to block off that street.

800
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:42,530
And so I'm just saying that, you know, for public safety concerns that you should err on the site of public safety.

801
01:06:46,210 --> 01:06:47,970
And that's it, that's what I wanted to say tonight.

802
01:06:48,930 --> 01:06:49,770
Thank you, great comments.

803
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:51,990
Adam Siddler, any other requests to speak?

804
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:52,810
No, Mr. Mayor.

805
01:06:53,330 --> 01:06:54,270
Anybody online or on the phone?

806
01:06:54,910 --> 01:06:55,610
No, Mr. Mayor.

807
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:59,970
Okay, we're going to close public comment and bring it back to the council for discussion.

808
01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:03,690
We've already sort of talked about a lot of these issues, but anybody want to start off?

809
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:07,730
Councillor Fink or?

810
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:12,170
Sure, yeah, go ahead then.

811
01:07:20,550 --> 01:07:26,190
Sorry, I'm just looking at the layout just thinking about what Mr. Wagner was saying.

812
01:07:27,830 --> 01:07:31,710
I appreciate the comments and the concerns that have been raised.

813
01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:39,090
I did get this molten, your email, I wonder if you're related to the molten family of Orange County.

814
01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:44,630
But it was trying to delve in and you heard some of the questions that were asked because

815
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:50,750
we asked our fire division chief about the fire safety concerns specifically and about

816
01:07:50,750 --> 01:08:00,990
the traffic and roadway and you know what the OCFA told us and it's consistent with my

817
01:08:00,990 --> 01:08:05,250
experience is that because I live just up your from where you guys are.

818
01:08:06,330 --> 01:08:14,370
So, laterally, sort of the same distance, just a block off, and that area is not in the

819
01:08:14,370 --> 01:08:21,470
fire danger zones by the time, you know, we get that far west in the city, we're well

820
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:25,010
away from the fire areas that Mr. Schnell has to represent and deal with.

821
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:31,210
And so, while I understand the concerns, I think we're a ways away.

822
01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:39,990
I also ask because I know there's traffic, there's elderly centers of convenient roadway

823
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:50,410
for folks locally, but it's one of the lesser used roads in town and we expect that'll

824
01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:55,570
be used even less with the new configuration of Campo at 17th.

825
01:08:56,410 --> 01:09:11,790
The other thing is, you know, I also see this in the context of what's going to be there because I think a lot of us think of it and I know this isn't about the project per say but the project melts into this discussion.

826
01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:16,570
And a lot of us think about Enderly Center the way it was when we were growing up, when

827
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:19,850
Blums was there before Zoves and it was a hopping center.

828
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:23,170
And it's not been that for a while.

829
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:29,590
And with the revitalization that's going to be Campo at 17th, I think it really is going

830
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:34,810
to be, it's going to be, you know, frequented, those homes are going to be very popular homes

831
01:09:34,810 --> 01:09:38,250
for people to want to buy because they'll be overlooking this center.

832
01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:54,770
And I think one of the concerns that the developer has had, and it's concerned that I share, is trying to separate out the folks coming on 17th into the resident, into the commercial development into Campo or on the other side to Taco Bell.

833
01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:59,970
I like I did many, many times in high school, as opposed to the folks going home to live in the-

834
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:28,460
I'll have those other homes on the back end, on the south end or in the park center or in Dier Quay, and thatajuts area. And part of the goal is to keep those areas separate. And I think that makes sense. The other thing that, I think we want to recognize is we're going to have very different traffic patterns like Mr. Gristo said we'll have fewer trips than the full retail center would have.

835
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:34,560
But we're going to have, when it's revitalized, a lot more traffic there coming because of the retail rather than because of the homes.

836
01:10:35,140 --> 01:10:44,660
And that's a downside, but the good side is especially for folks who live nearby, hopefully it is a place that is thriving, that is accessible easily for you.

837
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:54,360
And so I'm optimistic about that revitalizing into the kind of place that we remembered, at least that I remember going to as a kid that we want to go to.

838
01:10:55,340 --> 01:11:14,780
I also mentioned the project as a whole because as I frame out how I'm thinking about this is I am thinking about what happens with Enderly Center and the year and a half ago or so we re-zoned that to allow up to 413 residential units.

839
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,460
I was against that. I didn't think that was a good idea at the time.

840
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:24,480
And the good news is, it's not going to be that, it's going to be 100 residential units, which I think is probably a good mix.

841
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:27,840
They're going to be, like I said, very popular homes.

842
01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:38,620
And my goal since that rezoning has been to try to facilitate the development of this new project because I didn't want this project to fail.

843
01:11:38,620 --> 01:11:50,100
because if it fails, one, we'll lose the opportunity that Campbell on 17th is going to provide for us to reignite what that

844
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:54,180
elderly was like for all of us growing up, at least me growing up and others as well.

845
01:11:55,140 --> 01:12:05,800
But also risks, you know, somebody else come in and build a housing situation that would be no good for the residential area, no good for the city's finances, no good for having that retail center.

846
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:13,300
So I look at this, I see that it makes sense to separate the homes from the commercial center.

847
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,520
I see that underly is, I wasn't planning commission meeting when this was discussed.

848
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:22,360
And some folks talked about, hey, there is a lot of, there are cars parked on Vandenberg.

849
01:12:22,540 --> 01:12:22,960
And there are.

850
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:28,880
I went back and I saw that and, you know, navigating Vandenberg, we do have to figure that out.

851
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:37,640
But making sure that this works for the project because we want it to succeed.

852
01:12:39,100 --> 01:12:41,900
And let's say he's going to save some costs in doing this.

853
01:12:42,260 --> 01:12:45,740
Hopefully we can put that towards better uses for the residents in the area.

854
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:53,680
I know at the Planning Commission meeting, Chair Mason talked about parks along the 17th street corridor and

855
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,020
making sure we're trying to do something.

856
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,360
We need to try to do something along those lines.

857
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:07,140
But I think when balanced, I realize that this is a change, it's going to have an impact on the folks who use that frequently.

858
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:12,420
But as a whole, this is going to be better for the city. I think it's going to be better for the area.

859
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:22,740
I know it's sort of difficult to imagine. But I want to make sure it happens because I think against that background, it's really important to have this go through.

860
01:13:23,060 --> 01:13:26,760
And I do think that it makes sense to separate those two off.

861
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,120
So, I appreciate everybody's concerns.

862
01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:36,720
I'll continue like the City Director of Public Works mentioned to work with you and see

863
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,560
how this affects things as we go forward and find solutions if there's more problems.

864
01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:43,300
But I think this is the right step for us to take.

865
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:43,980
Thank you.

866
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:44,220
Thank you.

867
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,220
I didn't hear a motion.

868
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:47,340
I want to give you the opportunity of you.

869
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:48,700
I'll move the item.

870
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,200
Do I have a second?

871
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,080
And then we'll have further discussion.

872
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,260
Yeah, I will second.

873
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,620
And then I'll just make a quick comment.

874
01:13:54,620 --> 01:14:00,040
But I appreciate all the input, and when I saw that, it resonated, I'm sure with everyone.

875
01:14:00,260 --> 01:14:04,900
Obviously, traffic, public safety, these are top values to us as a community.

876
01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:09,900
And so when we saw that, I know we all did kind of dug in with staff and looked into this.

877
01:14:10,060 --> 01:14:13,500
And unfortunately, staff also values this and was really already ahead of it.

878
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,820
We saw them reaching out to OCFA, getting the confirmation that no, there is not a fire safety impact.

879
01:14:19,020 --> 01:14:21,740
That was my top fear in seeing the comments.

880
01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:24,000
and then on the second leg of that was the traffic.

881
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,020
And I hear you, those, I think a couple of you commented

882
01:14:28,020 --> 01:14:30,460
about the validity of these traffic studies.

883
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:34,260
I have, I always question them as well

884
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:37,060
because logic seems to defy what the outcomes are.

885
01:14:37,420 --> 01:14:39,660
I will tell you though, having been on planning commission

886
01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:42,080
when the second Costco gas station was on,

887
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:45,420
we had a lot of people had that same feeling

888
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:46,780
that this is going to have an impact.

889
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:47,800
This will have an impact.

890
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,740
The traffic study said it would not have an impact

891
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:59,640
And we trusted those, these are licensed engineers, we trusted them, we did approve that project and lo and behold, they were right, yes there's traffic sometimes but it has not been.

892
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:26,280
The catastrophe that really, the community felt like it was going to be, so I can tell you, looking backwards having crossed that threshold, the engineers are doing, they're doing the work that we're asking to do. We studied multiple scenarios. And so really those two issues, the traffic and the fire safety really are our address. I do think the community for bringing these up. I think the staff for really addressing them. Thank you,

893
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:33,750
Mr. Mayor. Just some very quick thoughts.

894
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:46,670
I use Enderly Drive to get back and forth off of 17th and some of the appointments I have to have in what I call Baja Tustin, but it's actually orange.

895
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:51,390
And is it going to be a little more inconvenient?

896
01:15:52,150 --> 01:15:56,330
Yeah, it's going to be a little more inconvenient, but you know what, there's a trade off.

897
01:15:56,330 --> 01:16:02,930
We're looking at a great project, we're looking at new invigorated retail that's going to be there.

898
01:16:03,390 --> 01:16:07,390
We're going to look at new homes that families can enjoy.

899
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:10,990
So I'm all in favor of it.

900
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:14,110
You know, it's not our road to start with.

901
01:16:14,210 --> 01:16:14,810
We don't own it.

902
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:17,070
The owners have said we want to back.

903
01:16:17,890 --> 01:16:19,750
And we just have an easement on there.

904
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:26,530
So, I think that for that, I'd definitely in favor of it.

905
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:30,170
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

906
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:31,870
Just a couple of quick comments.

907
01:16:32,810 --> 01:16:35,650
One, thank you again for your thoughts.

908
01:16:35,870 --> 01:16:36,790
We respect what you're saying.

909
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:38,670
And public safety is definitely job one.

910
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:41,770
You know, living in Tufts and Ranch, fire safety is critical,

911
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:46,190
because we live really in the heart of the deep red of the fire zone.

912
01:16:46,190 --> 01:16:55,350
And that's why we had chief more concern of the OCFA actually take a look at the plans to ensure there was going to be an impact to property or life.

913
01:16:56,210 --> 01:17:08,890
And in looking at the history of fire incidents in that area, the last fire was the Paso Grand Fire in 1967 and it went as far as skyline drive.

914
01:17:08,890 --> 01:17:13,530
So I think based on that, I have a comfort level that it isn't in a fire zone.

915
01:17:13,530 --> 01:17:16,570
I know that Councilmember Fink alluded to that as well.

916
01:17:17,150 --> 01:17:19,150
Again, we're very serious about public safety.

917
01:17:19,670 --> 01:17:22,350
And certain in the fire considerations should be looked at.

918
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:27,790
And we have, and I'm very comfortable with the response that we receive from the fire chief.

919
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:33,430
With regards to traffic, again, traffic no one wants to sit in a bottleneck.

920
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:43,670
Councilmember Gallagher mentioned the Costco over by in Tuston and we do take a look at traffic

921
01:17:43,670 --> 01:17:49,050
patterns and how they evolve over time and we just actually approved a modification to

922
01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:52,890
the traffic signal that's going to be done and that's in response to some of the backup

923
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:54,190
in traffic over there.

924
01:17:54,410 --> 01:18:01,530
So again, nothing is set in stone if we see that the project is completed and that there

925
01:18:01,530 --> 01:18:03,770
There are some potential adverse impacts to traffic.

926
01:18:04,090 --> 01:18:06,910
We will revisit it, we'll take a look at it, public works, we'll take a look at it,

927
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:09,210
to see if the things we can do to help mitigate that.

928
01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:11,950
So, and I do approve the project.

929
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:12,770
I can do it.

930
01:18:12,970 --> 01:18:16,570
I'm going to make a friendly amendment to the motion, and I hope the motion maker and

931
01:18:16,570 --> 01:18:18,370
the seconder will agree to it.

932
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:22,190
But just, we're already going to do this, but staff monitor the impacts whether

933
01:18:22,190 --> 01:18:26,930
forcing or unforeseen by this development, and should there be surprises that we do everything

934
01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:30,030
within our power to alleviate that congestion, which we've already talked about, but I would

935
01:18:30,030 --> 01:18:34,750
I'd like to just put that in the record if the motion and second would all accept them out of the amendment.

936
01:18:35,970 --> 01:18:36,370
Second.

937
01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:37,710
As well.

938
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:38,910
All right, thank you.

939
01:18:39,050 --> 01:18:40,890
All right, Madam City Clerk, roll call please.

940
01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:43,090
Council Member Nielsen.

941
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:43,710
Yes.

942
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:44,830
Council Member Feet.

943
01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:45,130
All right.

944
01:18:45,370 --> 01:18:46,130
Council Member Gallagher.

945
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:46,410
Aye.

946
01:18:46,650 --> 01:18:47,130
May a pertention.

947
01:18:47,150 --> 01:18:47,350
No.

948
01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:47,750
Aye.

949
01:18:48,030 --> 01:18:48,490
Mayor Lambert.

950
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:48,850
Aye.

951
01:18:49,050 --> 01:18:50,270
Motion passes 5-0.

952
01:18:50,650 --> 01:18:50,930
Thank you.

953
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:58,150
Next we have item 12, which is the development agreement 2026-002 for the Mariners Church Test and Legacy Project.

954
01:18:58,150 --> 01:19:03,530
I'm going to open the public hearing and Jason Loya or senior management analyst will provide a PowerPoint presentation.

955
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:08,550
And Jason, why don't we take a one minute recess while some of the remixes?

956
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:39,450
Yeah, you're going to go?

957
01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:40,890
All right, go ahead.

958
01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:42,730
I knew here.

959
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:45,350
Semi.

960
01:19:55,190 --> 01:19:56,510
Yeah, take your time.

961
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:03,280
Yeah.

962
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:28,680
2026, zero, zero, zero, two for the Mariner's Church, Stustle Legacy Project. You have the floor. Thank you. Good evening, city councilmembers. Jason Loya with the city manager's office. Item 12 is a public hearing on development. Raise your microphone up a little bit. Yes. Thank you. No problem.

963
01:20:30,740 --> 01:20:38,280
Tonight's public hearing is on development agreement 2026 to between the city and Mariner's Church for a site at Tessend Legacy.

964
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:44,720
The action before you, tonight, is introduction and first reading of ordinance number 1581.

965
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:53,220
The site is roughly three and a third acres of city-owned land at Tusson Legacy.

966
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,920
It's at the northeast corner of Warner Avenue in John Johnson Way.

967
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:05,960
Mariners Church is proposing a two-story 33,400 square foot religious assembly building.

968
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:12,860
a 622-seat worship center with 276 on-site parking spaces.

969
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:19,960
The three approvals that carry this project include a conditional use permit for the religious

970
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:26,780
assembly use, design review for the site layout and building design, and the development agreement.

971
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,020
The first two were acted on by the Planning Commission, only the development agreement

972
01:21:32,020 --> 01:21:33,440
comes to you this evening.

973
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:45,160
This view, this is a view looking south towards the future linear park, the Planning Commission

974
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,880
reviewed and approved this design at the duly noticed public hearing on August 25th.

975
01:21:55,740 --> 01:22:02,300
The Planning Commission took two actions. Resolution 455-6 found that the disposition of this

976
01:22:02,300 --> 01:22:08,460
city owned property conforms to the general plan and the Tusson Legacy specific plan. Resolution 455-7

977
01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:12,540
approve the design review and conditional use permit adopted the addendum to the specific

978
01:22:12,540 --> 01:22:18,960
plan supplemental EIR and recommended that the City Council adopt ordinance number 1581.

979
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,800
That brings us to step four. Tonight is the introduction and first reading of the ordinance

980
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:30,400
and the second reading and adoption will be set for the next available City Council meeting.

981
01:22:34,990 --> 01:22:40,190
The development agreement does four things. First, it vests the land use rules in place

982
01:22:40,190 --> 01:22:46,370
at approval. Second, it secures the project fair share contribution and all applicable development

983
01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:52,990
impact fees. The fair share payment is just over $1.6 million for this project. Third, it requires

984
01:22:52,990 --> 01:22:59,950
annexation into CFD 1801, zone four. That's an annual payment of $0.50 per square foot of the building

985
01:22:59,950 --> 01:23:06,790
constructed, which comes out to about $16,700 per year and escalates accordingly. And fourth,

986
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:12,210
It requires dedication of on-site rights away and easements needed for public improvements.

987
01:23:13,550 --> 01:23:18,290
With that said, staff recommends that the City Council introduce ordinance number 1581,

988
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:25,670
approving the development agreement and setting the second reading and adoption for the City Council meeting on October 6th.

989
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:29,450
That's my presentation and happy to answer any questions.

990
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:33,900
Thank you, Jason.

991
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,780
This is a public hearing, so we're going to take public input, but does Council have questions for staff before we do that?

992
01:23:38,780 --> 01:23:40,860
I will bring it back for discussion.

993
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:42,520
Okay.

994
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:44,080
Thank you.

995
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,420
I will probably bring you back up.

996
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:46,540
Appreciate it, Jason.

997
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:47,080
All right.

998
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,240
We're going to move on to public input for this item.

999
01:23:49,340 --> 01:23:52,380
If any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request to speak form.

1000
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,980
And if you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand.

1001
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:56,900
Madam City Clerk, can you request to speak?

1002
01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:58,040
No, Mr. Mayor.

1003
01:23:58,300 --> 01:23:58,780
Anybody in the room?

1004
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,760
Okay, we're going to close public input and bring it back to the end.

1005
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:03,640
I'm going to close the public hearing.

1006
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,420
Bring it back to the council for questions, comments or discussions?

1007
01:24:06,420 --> 01:24:09,540
Does anybody have questions, comments, or just, yeah,

1008
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:16,160
bike's off.

1009
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:18,380
She just started off.

1010
01:24:18,660 --> 01:24:21,300
Okay, so not my night.

1011
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:26,320
Anyway, so the purchase agreement.

1012
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:37,000
So we're looking at purchase and sale agreements, executed, pricing, everything.

1013
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,560
We're all good with that, right?

1014
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:40,760
Correct, that's correct, Council Member Nielsen.

1015
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,280
Okay, I just want to confirm that.

1016
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:43,700
Okay, that's it.

1017
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,480
Any other questions, comments?

1018
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:47,400
Councilmember Trink?

1019
01:24:51,010 --> 01:24:51,670
Thank you, Mayor.

1020
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:57,430
I spent some time at the Mariners campus in Irvine,

1021
01:24:57,730 --> 01:24:59,550
and was very impressed at what they do.

1022
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:27,800
And when this, when the purchase and sale agreement came before the council a year ago or so, I was excited about the project in part because of what the Mariner's Church does in the community. And one of the issues that I brought up was we had talked about, and I think Mariner's had been talking about, you know, being open to doing this, including in the,

1023
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,000
including a requirement that there be an opportunity for community use.

1024
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:56,660
And I think we've talked about the need for facilities for community events, whether it's the Miss Testin, or Mr Testin, or the Testinary Man and Women of the Year, all of these events end up being held in Santa Ana, or Irvine instead of the City of Testin, and the Mariner's Church is open, I think, to the idea of having various events up there.

1025
01:25:56,660 --> 01:26:11,280
But when the purchase and sale agreement came up, I said maybe we should, you know, put this in the agreement and it was suggested at that time that it's better, it fits better into the entitlements when the project comes up.

1026
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:21,260
And I've been informed that that was not something that Mariners was willing to do and maybe I could get clarification from staff about that if I'm incorrect.

1027
01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:32,500
but I'd like to see that included because we're selling this property, but we're selling it at a price prime location.

1028
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:39,600
It's going to be right off the little linear park and part of the community benefit is going to be the opportunity for

1029
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,600
this to be for their center to be part of the community and to be used by the community that I know the Irvine campus is used by the community.

1030
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:55,980
You know, for reasonable fees and costs and, you know, we're not asking for a free right here, but something that's open so that it's an asset for the community.

1031
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:04,420
And I appreciate that the folks at Mariners now are open to this, but what happens in the future is really the guarantee of that.

1032
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,820
So I'd like to see that actually be part of the development agreement.

1033
01:27:09,820 --> 01:27:16,380
And I'm wondering if staff could comment as to if that was pursued or what the response was.

1034
01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:19,940
Councillor, Mr. City Manager, over.

1035
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,760
Yeah, our Deputy City Manager can answer that.

1036
01:27:22,540 --> 01:27:22,820
Thank you.

1037
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:28,000
Councillor, I think at the beginning of our sort of process and discussing the transaction

1038
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:37,040
we had talked about the prospect of making it a more formal note in terms of use of the assembly

1039
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:43,140
hall a certain period of time throughout the calendar year, as long as it didn't interfere

1040
01:27:43,140 --> 01:27:49,760
with their operations. I think, you know, through those negotiations, I think both parties

1041
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:56,420
sort of mutually agreed that it was better not to go down that road, so as not to complicate

1042
01:27:56,420 --> 01:28:02,280
the transaction. So I think at the end of the day, Mariners Church has expressed a willingness

1043
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:06,720
to be good community partners as they do with most of the cities that they work with.

1044
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,080
and operate within, as far as their ministry services are concerned.

1045
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:22,160
But at this juncture, we didn't move forward with making that a formal declaration in any development agreement or the purchase and sale agreement at that time.

1046
01:28:22,940 --> 01:28:29,220
Okay, and I do believe that Mariners wants to be a good community partner, and I think they will.

1047
01:28:29,820 --> 01:28:36,080
But saying it now, when you're looking for something from the city is different than five years from now,

1048
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:41,720
our ten years from now where there's different leadership or the property may be sold at some point and building that into the requirements.

1049
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:50,740
That's a very different thing. I don't think it's a good thing to not have embodied that, and I think it's something that we talked about a year ago and including that.

1050
01:28:50,920 --> 01:29:01,920
I think they would be open to, if they understood, I'm not looking for a heavy hand here, but something that embodies what frankly they say they want to do and what I believe they want to do.

1051
01:29:02,540 --> 01:29:03,920
So I'd like to see that.

1052
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,300
Thank you for the comments, Council Member Gallagher.

1053
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:21,320
That almost seems anti-climatic to be here tonight voting on this because it's been such a long haul to get to this point, and I do appreciate the staff and mariners for taking that path together.

1054
01:29:22,460 --> 01:29:32,100
I think Council Member, things brings up a good point, we did talk about that and I'm still excited without even that language in there that mariners will be a partner and open up their facility.

1055
01:29:32,100 --> 01:29:35,420
As you mentioned, Council Member Fink, they do this in Urbine, and there is no contractual

1056
01:29:35,420 --> 01:29:35,820
requirement.

1057
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,800
And as our Deputy City Manager noted, they do this at all their locations without those

1058
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,440
contracts.

1059
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,120
And so this is something that is part of their ethos.

1060
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,680
They're calling, and I've heard their leadership say at many times, is that if they, if they

1061
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,240
were to close their doors tomorrow at their church, they want the city to notice.

1062
01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:59,640
And that's a commitment not to just being in the city, it's a commitment to serving the

1063
01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:59,880
city.

1064
01:29:59,880 --> 01:29:59,960
You

1065
01:30:00,110 --> 01:30:29,310
And this is something that is deeply part of being Christian, and there's many Bible verses to that point. And I think that should resonate for you and us, and to me, that's enough commitment because that's not just them saying it. They've been, they've been showing it as well by their actions. They're, their involvement in the city of Tusson actually goes back to 2020. And since then, they've been involved sponsoring and participating, volunteering at all sorts of events, Easter, moving in the park. You can see them picking up trash still at concerts in the park and tiller days.

1066
01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:34,050
They donate to Title I schools right here in Tustin.

1067
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:38,790
I think probably the most impressive is their commitment to Orange County Rescue Mission.

1068
01:30:39,150 --> 01:30:43,690
That is by far hands down the most vulnerable element of our society here in Tustin.

1069
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:45,090
They are deeply embedded.

1070
01:30:45,670 --> 01:30:48,350
They run multiple events throughout the week.

1071
01:30:48,430 --> 01:30:51,830
They have full-time staff dedicated and they are right there, shoulders are shoulder.

1072
01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:57,370
And so whether this is in the agreement or not, their commitment to partnership with the city,

1073
01:30:57,370 --> 01:31:03,470
In my mind is not in question, and so I'm excited to be even a small part of the vote tonight, and I'll move the item.

1074
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:07,130
Okay, there's a motion on the floor to have a second.

1075
01:31:08,010 --> 01:31:09,850
Okay, further discussion, Mayor Pro Temp.

1076
01:31:10,670 --> 01:31:14,150
Thank you, and just to echo what Council Member Gallagher said.

1077
01:31:14,350 --> 01:31:26,590
I mean, I'm very familiar with Mariners, I've attended services at Mariners, and then we have a very close relationship with Pastor Molina, and you know, you're correct that the ESO ethos is about being a part of the community,

1078
01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:31,750
and you're better in the community and doing what they can to actually improve upon that place.

1079
01:31:33,630 --> 01:31:41,110
The Tussle Legacy is an amazing parcel, and the City Council is looking at not just getting

1080
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:45,150
high Symbest use and just cramming housing throughout the Tussle Legacy.

1081
01:31:45,310 --> 01:31:49,210
We're looking to build a community that's sustainable for generations to come, and part of that

1082
01:31:49,210 --> 01:31:50,390
is a faith-based organization.

1083
01:31:50,970 --> 01:31:55,750
I don't think that we really have a dedicated faith-based organization in the trust and legacy.

1084
01:31:56,290 --> 01:31:57,830
I think this is an important start.

1085
01:31:58,210 --> 01:32:02,130
I think they're going to do great work for the residents of trust and

1086
01:32:02,130 --> 01:32:06,190
spiritually, and again, I'm 100% supportive of this project, so I'll move the item.

1087
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:13,270
Okay, I'm going to reiterate what I heard, too, as I think the Council has all agreed in an expectation that

1088
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:19,730
Mariners and the City Explorer access to an underutilized open space when they're not using it as long as it doesn't interfere

1089
01:32:19,730 --> 01:32:25,110
with their operations and I will underscore the lack of an available facility in the

1090
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:26,750
Tusson Legacy area as a resident.

1091
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:31,930
Unfortunately, we have a school district that built a nice gym and it's empty all the

1092
01:32:31,930 --> 01:32:36,150
time and I think we're going to expect more from them and from all of our partners out

1093
01:32:36,150 --> 01:32:36,310
there.

1094
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:38,430
So with that I'll call the vote.

1095
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:43,840
Just a point of Parliamentary inquiry.

1096
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,220
This is an ordinance that will be a second reading.

1097
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:47,660
Okay.

1098
01:32:48,140 --> 01:32:48,860
Mr. City Attorney.

1099
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:50,700
That's correct.

1100
01:32:51,140 --> 01:32:51,440
That's correct.

1101
01:32:51,780 --> 01:32:51,860
Go.

1102
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:53,040
All right, Nancy.

1103
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:53,220
Clerk.

1104
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:54,640
Council Member Nielsen.

1105
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:54,960
Yes.

1106
01:32:55,260 --> 01:32:56,040
Council Member Fink.

1107
01:32:56,420 --> 01:32:56,600
Aye.

1108
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:58,460
Council Member Gallagher.

1109
01:32:58,720 --> 01:32:58,840
Aye.

1110
01:32:59,100 --> 01:32:59,800
Mayor Pro Temshell.

1111
01:33:00,060 --> 01:33:00,180
Aye.

1112
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:01,100
Mayor Lemberd.

1113
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:01,320
Aye.

1114
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,220
Motion passes for one with Council Member Fink dissenting.

1115
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,220
Thank you.

1116
01:33:05,420 --> 01:33:06,780
Thank you for the discussion, Council.

1117
01:33:07,660 --> 01:33:08,860
Next, we have item number 13.

1118
01:33:08,860 --> 01:33:10,400
Thank you, Jason, for the presentation as well.

1119
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:11,680
Next, we have item number 13.

1120
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,140
Introduction and approval of ordinance number 1579.

1121
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,460
Improving Test and Police Department Policy 706.

1122
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,240
Military use, equipment use policy.

1123
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:20,640
I'm going to open the public hearing.

1124
01:33:21,660 --> 01:33:26,620
We do have staff available for questions if the council has them, but I'm going to invite

1125
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:27,580
public input first.

1126
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:31,560
Public input, if any members of the public wish to address the council, please submit a request

1127
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:32,220
to speak for them.

1128
01:33:32,300 --> 01:33:34,540
If you're participating through Zoom, please raise your hand.

1129
01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:37,080
Adam City clerk, can you request to speak on this item?

1130
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:38,040
No, Mr. Mayor.

1131
01:33:38,260 --> 01:33:38,800
Anybody in the room?

1132
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:44,700
Okay, we're going to close public input and close the public hearing and bring it back to

1133
01:33:44,700 --> 01:33:47,360
the council for discussion, comments, questions.

1134
01:33:48,060 --> 01:33:48,480
Any comments?

1135
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:49,280
It's still in return of motion.

1136
01:33:51,180 --> 01:33:51,620
Second.

1137
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:52,840
Motion in a second.

1138
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:53,200
Any comments?

1139
01:33:53,940 --> 01:33:54,660
Just a brief comment.

1140
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,740
This is the same ordinance, I think, as we've adopted annually,

1141
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,060
because we're required to adopt this annually.

1142
01:34:01,580 --> 01:34:05,560
There was a report about the use of this type of equipment

1143
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,000
that we adopted a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month ago.

1144
01:34:09,820 --> 01:34:12,680
And I think our police department does a good job

1145
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:17,820
in how it deals with this equipment and how it monitors the use.

1146
01:34:17,820 --> 01:34:23,880
I know it remains a concern and we'll continue to be a concern and that's why there's a legislation that requires this so

1147
01:34:24,440 --> 01:34:27,760
But I think this makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for the

1148
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,420
Declareification and I'm gonna call the vote and

1149
01:34:33,940 --> 01:34:35,460
Captain Nelson you're off the

1150
01:34:36,060 --> 01:34:37,000
Madam City clerk

1151
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:42,620
Councilmember Nielsen. Yes, Councilmember Fee. All right. Councilmember Gallagher. All right. May I pertain to you now?

1152
01:34:42,620 --> 01:34:48,480
Aye. Mayor Limburn. Aye. Motion passes 5-0. Thank you. With that, we'll move to other business,

1153
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,820
Mr. City Manager, do you have a report to that? Yes, thank you, Mayor. I want to provide an update

1154
01:34:52,820 --> 01:34:57,440
regarding the Hydemon School Joint Use Park development. With the start of the school year,

1155
01:34:57,580 --> 01:34:59,980
the Hydemon School Park construction is entered into its second-

1156
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,200
The second phase, which will continue through May of 2027. Improvements during this phase will focus on north, south, and west sides of the campus outdoor field area, and will include the new playground equipment, picnic shelter, and office building among other amenities as well. The third and final phase of the project is scheduled to start when school lets out in June of 2027, and the entire project is estimated to be completed in August of 2027. That's my update for tonight.

1157
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,760
Thank you, Mr. City Attorney, do you have a report?

1158
01:35:32,140 --> 01:35:32,980
No report, see you.

1159
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,040
All right, we'll bring it back to the Council for our reports.

1160
01:35:35,220 --> 01:35:35,820
Council Member Nielsen.

1161
01:35:36,820 --> 01:35:37,420
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1162
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:42,700
On September 4th, I tenant and spoke at the American Legion,

1163
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:48,740
post 2-2-7 meeting regarding kind of the veteran's legacy in Tustin.

1164
01:35:48,980 --> 01:35:52,680
And some of the things the council was considering.

1165
01:35:53,020 --> 01:35:55,840
And I was there with my good friend,

1166
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:59,040
the great and mighty mayor pro-town rationale.

1167
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,860
So it was very good to have a discussion with everyone there

1168
01:36:03,860 --> 01:36:09,120
and get their input and it was very, very informative

1169
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,460
and I think very, very helpful.

1170
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:17,120
Also, I just want to thank everyone that has texted me,

1171
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,740
called me, emailed me regarding my health incident

1172
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:22,000
that happened on Labor Day.

1173
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,720
So I want to thank everybody for their kind thoughts

1174
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:28,680
and prayers, so thank you very much for all of that, and that's all I have, Mr. Mayor.

1175
01:36:28,940 --> 01:36:29,180
Thank you.

1176
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:30,400
I have you here tonight.

1177
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:32,520
Councilmember Fick.

1178
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,620
Well, first, I'm glad to hear Mr. Nielsen's feeling well.

1179
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:38,140
I didn't know.

1180
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,900
And you don't look any worse for the way or so, I'm glad you're here.

1181
01:36:42,860 --> 01:36:45,560
Yeah, just a couple of notes.

1182
01:36:45,740 --> 01:36:52,600
One is, as hunger action months, you can do something about that, so just wanted to call

1183
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:56,600
to folks' attention on Saturday, this coming Saturday,

1184
01:36:56,700 --> 01:36:59,540
the 19th from 8 a.m. to 10 30 a.m.

1185
01:36:59,780 --> 01:37:05,000
at the Harvest Solutions Farm at 1-2-7-5-1 Lambert Road

1186
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,500
in Irvine, our Assemblywoman Coddy Petri Norris

1187
01:37:08,500 --> 01:37:12,220
and the second Harvest Food Bank are taking action

1188
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:15,880
and there's going to be volunteering for distribution

1189
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,540
and harvesting produce.

1190
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:20,680
So if you want to take some action with hunger action

1191
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,800
that is one way, not certainly not the only way you can do that.

1192
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,640
On the 5th, I was able to attend the Orange County Labor Federation Labor Day,

1193
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:37,360
a picnic in San Ana, and it was good to celebrate Labor Day with so many people

1194
01:37:38,180 --> 01:37:43,880
who are those laborers who the holiday was made possible by and for.

1195
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:49,440
I had last Tuesday a chance to meet briefly with Congressman Dave Minne

1196
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:55,900
and Senator Alex Padilla, I did mention to both of them that we needed assistance from the federal government

1197
01:37:55,900 --> 01:38:01,480
and planning for our north hangar side, our south hangar, and continuing the remediation efforts.

1198
01:38:01,480 --> 01:38:06,100
And I did get a brief commitment from Alex Padilla to work on that and get back to us.

1199
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,820
So it is the beginning that's helpful.

1200
01:38:09,980 --> 01:38:18,860
I do want to mention briefly that I think the Fullerton City Council tonight is hearing a presentation on the flock camera.

1201
01:38:18,860 --> 01:38:22,880
So I know folks who have followed that, I'll be interested to see what folks in full

1202
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,280
are saying and thinking.

1203
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:33,440
I'll be at the Sunset Market this coming Thursday, which is the last of the season, and from

1204
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:40,500
5 to 830 there to talk about testing, answer questions, and get people to sign up for or donate

1205
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:42,900
to the Dolly Parton Imagination Library.

1206
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,620
So I hope to see folks there.

1207
01:38:44,620 --> 01:38:53,840
I'll also have a community meeting at Del Taco on Saturday, the 26th at noon.

1208
01:38:54,260 --> 01:38:59,020
So if you want to talk about Testinen, or if you like tacos, or if you have a dragon

1209
01:38:59,020 --> 01:39:01,920
who likes tacos, come by Del Taco.

1210
01:39:02,060 --> 01:39:05,480
That's the Del Taco next to where the Del Taco used to be on Red Hill.

1211
01:39:06,340 --> 01:39:12,600
My final point is I do want to pick up on something that Mr. Walsh said about parking.

1212
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,720
And so I'll ask again, because I brought it up last month.

1213
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:21,820
But I'd like to put something on the agenda at a coming council meeting to discuss the parking permits,

1214
01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:24,300
both ease of access and use.

1215
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:30,260
And use of parking permits when we have approved developments that are fully parked.

1216
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:35,880
But I need one of the other council members to agree to second that.

1217
01:39:36,140 --> 01:39:39,480
Or if you just let me know, I'll circulate that through the city clerk and

1218
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:43,360
And we can have that as a discussion, who knows what comes of that, but I'd appreciate

1219
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,200
if we could have that discussion.

1220
01:39:46,740 --> 01:39:47,600
That's all I've got there.

1221
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:48,580
Thank you.

1222
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:49,820
Council Member Gallagher.

1223
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:58,120
I had an Orange County Sanitation District committee meeting two weeks ago and it was my

1224
01:39:58,120 --> 01:39:59,900
discussion on moving projects forward for a

1225
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:08,900
Members, structure, rehab, and plants at the treatment. Projects at the treatment plant, that's it. That's it. Almost your shortest report ever until you try to tell the end of it.

1226
01:40:15,020 --> 01:40:27,680
TCA will be honored to the employer of the year by the Women's Transportation Seminar. December 10, they'll have a scholarship and awards gala. Congratulations to CEO Ryan Chamberlain and the rest of TCA staff for this honor.

1227
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:33,040
Also, with TCA, they just did a customer service review, and

1228
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,140
their metrics were fantastic.

1229
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,040
Significant reduction in average weight times,

1230
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,800
40% decrease in incoming call volumes,

1231
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,480
4.5 out of 5 starts with customer satisfaction and

1232
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:48,180
195,000 new accounts, which brought them over the milestone 3 million.

1233
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:53,780
So, congratulations to TCA and staff, just outstanding achievements.

1234
01:40:55,300 --> 01:40:56,520
Congratulations to Prego.

1235
01:40:56,540 --> 01:41:01,940
Prego was actually named the local small business of the month by State Senator Steve Choi.

1236
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:07,680
So if you have an eaten over Prego, they serve unbelievable food, handcrafted pastas,

1237
01:41:08,220 --> 01:41:11,060
premium meat, seafood, warm hospitality, it's an amazing restaurant.

1238
01:41:11,860 --> 01:41:13,960
Go over there and get some great tang food.

1239
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:22,260
9293 completed online California Special District's association training on the board's role on finance and fiscal accountability.

1240
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:32,140
940 also attended the American Legion meeting at Mimi's Cafe with John Nielsen, and I just want to make a mention of 9-11.

1241
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,400
So we had the 25th anniversary of 9-11.

1242
01:41:34,600 --> 01:41:38,880
I'm from New York and we actually was in the city on 9-11 in the Tower of Svalle.

1243
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:43,940
I had a very good friend of mine from high school, John McDowell, who were for Canter Fitzgerald, who perished.

1244
01:41:43,980 --> 01:41:48,960
And I just want to remember all the folks that died in the World Trade Center.

1245
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,200
there were 2700 or 2700 people that died of the twin towers.

1246
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:59,160
They included 343 firefighters and paramedics, 23 New York City police officers, and

1247
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:07,280
37 part of 30 police officers in the Pentagon 184 people died consisting of 125 people in the building in 59 passengers.

1248
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:18,300
And crew on American Airlines flight 77 and then in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, 40 passengers and crew perished on UA flight 93 when a crash in the field.

1249
01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:22,040
and those folks who go over the plan to protect our nation's capital.

1250
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:25,520
So again, this day has a lot of meaning for me.

1251
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:33,980
It's a day on there, I forget, and I really want to just say God bless the victims, God bless their families, unless it's not ever forget that day.

1252
01:42:35,420 --> 01:42:36,360
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

1253
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:43,960
We had a lot on the agenda tonight and I just want to take a moment to celebrate and thank staff for all their hard work.

1254
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:49,380
But if we kind of breeze through some major developments and projects going on in town,

1255
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:54,900
we had senior housing projects that's going to be added value and presence on the base,

1256
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:59,240
South Hanger Broker offering approval and early center.

1257
01:43:00,020 --> 01:43:05,220
The last part of that project is approving the street vacation,

1258
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:07,560
a church, Mariners church agreement.

1259
01:43:07,940 --> 01:43:13,900
We have a pet bridge construction that we approved, which at least one of us has been talking

1260
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:18,840
for a long time, two of us getting those bridges going in a civic center use analysis these

1261
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,700
are all by themselves big projects and I just want to thank staff for all of your support

1262
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:29,800
and pushing this forward no good deed goes unpunished and we're going to keep asking for more but thank

1263
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:36,300
you for everything that you've done with that we have some upcoming events council member think

1264
01:43:36,300 --> 01:43:40,800
already mentioned but we have the final sunset market on Thursday this Thursday, September 17th

1265
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:46,960
date 30 p.m. in Old Town Testin. We have a free shredding event on Saturday, the Saturday, September 19th,

1266
01:43:46,980 --> 01:43:50,900
made to 12 in the Civic Center parking lot. And we have a fair housing fundamentals workshop,

1267
01:43:51,180 --> 01:43:55,740
Wednesday, September 23rd, from 2.30 to 4 p.m. at the Testin Library. And lastly,

1268
01:43:56,080 --> 01:44:00,960
a reminder that Testin Tiller Days Carnival wristband pre-sale is available now through October

1269
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:05,760
2nd. And Tiller Days is October 2nd through 4th. We'll have the parade in Old Town and the

1270
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,500
the festival and carnival will be up for those three days.

1271
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:12,140
Visit testantillardays.com for more information.

1272
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:13,980
With that, we will adjourn.

1273
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,560
The next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, October 6th,

1274
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:18,880
2026 for the closed session meeting at 4.30 pm

1275
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,460
and the regular business meeting at 6 pm.

1276
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:21,580
Thank you.

1277
01:44:21,740 --> 01:44:22,140
Have a good night.