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We caught that.

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Okay.

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So we call the order, call the meeting to order.

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So on your agenda,

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the first thing is the introduction of new committee members. So let's just start of the

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end will reintroduce yourselves.

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So if you don't have your little light on, you're not

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being recorded and they like to have it recorded. So not that light, this light.

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Brad Willes.

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Chad to be. Andrew DePetro. Nathan Bishop. Colby Ricks. Okay, so this has our terms.

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So we are all here for at least two more years, not more.

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So every year we reaffirm, we choose new officers or reaffirm the existing officers.

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And we need a motion for that, is there anybody that would like to be the chairman?

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I make a motion, we leave it the same.

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Okay. Okay. So any more discussion?

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Nathen made the motion and Roth's seconded correct, Roth's seconded

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correct, Roth's

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So the motion is to reaffirm myself as Chairman and Gerald Martin's vice-chairman.

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Any

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one favor, C.I.

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Opposed?

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Okay, so we have to approve the minutes.

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And I'm not sure if they got to.

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The minutes were not part of the packet.

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They ended up being a separate.

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We got two bigger, so Lisa tried to separate them out.

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But she emailed them to everybody.

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Everybody got the email.

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And we have one copy.

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Sharing names.

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One or two copies.

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No, we need to look at them.

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I know Ross wasn't even at the meeting so I didn't get a copy.

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He didn't got a copy of the minutes either way.

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I saw the email and I thought he didn't want to turn it.

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Yeah.

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Okay, I need a motion then to approve the minutes.

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I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.

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So Chad, to be made the motion.

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Second.

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I'll second.

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Jennifer Jensen.

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Any more discussion?

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All in favor say hi.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Opposed the same?

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A minute's pass.

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All right.

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Jonathan?

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All right.

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Now we get to the discussion part.

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That's kind of the meetings right here.

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So we've got a financial report for the details on attachment one.

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You can look at that or we can just walk through the meeting.

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I've did just a brief summary of each of those separate impact fee accounts.

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First, when they came up, in general, I'm going to start actually with, we have to adjust

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the fee table.

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At our last meeting, we reported that the MCI was showing at a 0.84 increase in this

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body, elected to let that increase remain.

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Basically, we have a part of the impact, as we have let it increase per the MCI automatically

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in order to decide.

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Explain what the MCI is again.

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Very good.

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The MCI is the municipal cost index.

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Everybody's hopefully familiar with the consumer price index.

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It's basically how much it costs for consumers to buy certain things.

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The MCI is the same thing for cities.

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How much does it cost the city to operate?

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How much can you buy with our $100 or $1,000?

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As certain things increase like the price of oil, steel, in our case,

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asphalt and pipe is a lot of it.

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As those things increase, those costs increase to cost the city more to do business to replace pipe and put rot in.

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In the case of the impact fees, it's the cost of the projects that we have listed in the CIP.

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So as that NTI increases, the cost of those projects has to increase.

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In the last meeting, Lori had no-

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The numbers that were the increase is going to be less than 1% and it jumped up from that number in September to January jumped up to an increase of 3.4%. At the time this body, it said we're going to elect to let it increase that amount for that percentage. Then on March 27th after we got the numbers for the full year at DCM, a deputy city management,

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Benjamin Chumble went to the City Council and shared with them the increase that went what we thought was going to be around 1% up to 3.4.

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And the City Council elected to allow that automatic increase to take place.

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This body doesn't have to do anything about that increase.

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It's merely reporting the increase of it and then I've included the table that show the old impact fees and the price and the new impact fee price and that table looks

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like that.

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And that, the old was 1994, single family dwelling, the new one up over 2000.

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So an increase of $80 per single family home, then the corresponding increases per each

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category, multi-family retail office, industrial institution.

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So those are the increases and we actually implemented this April 1st, I think.

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Yeah, that's what the table says.

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The table says the attachment.

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So we've already made the increase in people starting

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to pay that new amount.

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Do you know if you got much comment from anybody?

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I have not, as I've sat by the front desk, I haven't got any comment there.

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Probably one person of a few that actually deal with them.

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So it's summarizing these.

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I didn't go along with this table because I didn't have it at the time.

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I think it goes backwards almost.

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but I started with parks in the Agenda. It goes with parks. The impact fee account shows

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at the printing of this 870,000. However, we have previously budgeted 800,000 for construction

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of the trail section across the store property. That's that project that the Mad Tech has done to

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get basically finishing that section from evil cannibal over to the existing Canary Room trail by

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basically by the mall or bridge view over in that area at the corner of

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Eastland and Poland. So we spent a portion of those funds on construction plans

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and the remaining portion of the budgeted amount will be spent after the

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contract is awarded and the construction begins in May. So it's it is almost

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there. I know we had a bid opening and the bids came in right on track with the

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amount that's been budgeted so we're right there. I don't know if it's been awarded

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get, so I can't report on that but I know that it's written and they were right on

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trying to provide a hearing.

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The fire summary, the fire impact fee totals 1.6 million a little over.

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The dispatch and expansion project is taking place this year that's part of the safety

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complex.

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That project shows a total of 375 grand within that CIP.

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that cost is shared between the fire and police accounts on a 34% 66% split so

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that will be coming out of that fire amount. Hey Jonathan. Back up just for a

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minute and explain the capital improvement plan again just briefly is in

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why that's important to us. So I don't know if I have a list of all of them and

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and there, could you bring one more?

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She's great.

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She's the finance staff.

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Capital improvement list identifies the projects

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that we can contribute to growth

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for the different areas.

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So we're collecting parks, fire, police and streets

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with each of those, this is the police one specifically.

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We're collecting impact fees for police,

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to collect those fees.

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You have projects that you put on the Capital Improvement Plan,

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and the CIP list is what we ended up calling it.

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On here, you can see there's the type of capital

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infrastructure on the far left facilities.

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We put in this, and so we start collecting money

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for these projects, additional police station space

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to accommodate officer necessitated by 10 year growth.

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So we have to prove that these projects are going

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to be necessitated by the growth in the community.

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That's where the impact comes in when people move in. We need more officers, so we need more space.

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There's a host of criteria to get things on this list and go through that briefly, or

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I just repeat of kind of the whole theory that behind what we

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How you determine what the money goes for?

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So I can't go towards new employees or old maintenance or anything growth-related infrastructure. That's true for every single category. It has to be growth-related. And in order to actually collect the money, we have to put it on the list. So if there's something that's not on the list, we're not collecting for it, wouldn't be spent for those things either. That's what I was just just a repeat of that.

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Since we don't meet a lot here and so these the police one up there's an example. We have that police

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Growth area. We have

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Communication Center, which is the dispatched one. I was talking about

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They've got some of these other equipment that they have

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They have to mean certain criteria to be on the list and that's what yeah, okay. Thank you questions on anybody else on those

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so the fire one

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We are seeking a recommendation to use funds for land acquisition of an amount that

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And 68,000 that amount comes from a comparables for residential land in the area for searching

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for land for a fire station number five, which is part of that fire station study we just

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completed with our comprehensive plan identifies the need for additional fire stations in certain

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spots.

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One of them is in the northeast part of town.

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So we're seeking a recommendation from this body to use funds for land acquisition for

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that fire station.

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Curiousity where is where's the land or it's not it's not currently identified. Yeah, it's not identified

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We just know there's comparable land up there. It's gonna be approximately a couple acres two acres of residential type property

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So that amount came out of

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comparable land values sales recently for you can get two acres of land for

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$68,000 in the city limits

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You're doing well

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I don't know.

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I'll leave that up to minstance for that question and I'll put it in there.

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We haven't begun collecting fees for fire station number five but it's identified in the list

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and Fritz has said it's a legitimate request to use available impact fees for that property

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acquisition.

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Fritz won't elect the city attorney that it's not here, so I can say it and he did say that.

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So at the end we'd actually ask for a recommendation to use that 68,000.

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So on our thing here is we currently have a purchase sale agreement for property.

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We don't need, we don't have to prove the details of it, we just the idea of it and so

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that's fine.

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Yeah.

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And you said at the end or at the end of this discussion here.

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If there's any further discussion on the fire, we can finish that and you can have a recommendation

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to do that now.

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Or we can wait till the very end after the whole report and go through it.

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I'm going to do that.

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On to the police.

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When the police fee account totals 60 for $600,000, $43,000, $683,000.

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Basically, that entire fund is budgeted as part of the police expansion.

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There won't be any money left in that one.

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And what we end up actually having is that project may actually exceed that amount a little bit.

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So we'll be collecting the fees for the next couple of years until we redo the CIP list

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Those fees will pay back the city's reserve account and then once the new CIP is listed that we'll just drop off

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We will no longer collect fees for any police expansion at that point in time.

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I have a question. So

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So we didn't do that on the fire part of the

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safety campus

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No, because we're not expanding that because of growth. We're just remodeling because it needs to be remodeled.

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Yeah, the fire portion, if you're talking about the dispatched center fire portion.

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Well, so we're spending all of the police funds towards the new safety campus.

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Right.

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Why aren't we spending, why aren't we being asked to spend more on the fire since we're affecting that too?

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Yeah, the fire went in and I believe is expanding necessarily they could stay in the same

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The former city hall building is entirely being occupied by police department personnel

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And so in a sense the entire remodel for that project is is the police department expansion

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The remodel of the current police space is not new is not creating new space except for in the communications

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The location center, we're doubling the size of the communications center. So there's half of the communication center is growth related expansion. We're not doing anything to the fire department at all. Okay, so that's why we're not spending, in fact, few money from the fire department, except for their portion of the expansion to the dispassion. All right. Thank you. And when you say that it's going to drop off what the fee will drop off.

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Yeah, so what happens is the list that Laurie had for those capital improvement projects it will no longer be on it

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And so when that's no longer on it the amount of tribute to growth that we're collecting won't be on the list

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We will stop collecting money for it because it won't longer be a project. We need in the future

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Not to say that something won't be added in several years. That's possible. Yes

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It's this next addition of that particular thing will drop off me and if you don't have it on a list you can't

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collect that, keep it on there and collect.

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That's right.

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Why wouldn't you think about the future and put something on the list?

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They will.

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They will.

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We'll probably.

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They have a couple of years to think about it.

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Yeah.

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And it's one of those, there's a sunset on the money.

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We can't collect this money and keep it for 50 years.

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We have to collect and use within a certain amount of time.

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So maybe the police department doesn't need expansion

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in the next five or ten, and we have to keep that sunset type of timeline there.

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So we add also that if you all remember in October 14, we adopted a new CIP basically,

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changed up all our fees. We're required by state law every five years to review our CIP.

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And so the current one we've got in place now is two and a half years old.

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So when I do an offer, so more years we'll update that again, we'll work through the process with this committee

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We'll get staff input one of the fire chief in here in the police chief, and they'll be all part of that process

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Looking forward for the next day to 10 years on what capital needs they might need due to growth and we'll adjust all those CIPs

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The fires or the police station will come off, but very well something could take its place

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And and that'll be a very public open process involving you guys

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city staff and who knows who else, public at large.

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question in regards to the police expansion.

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So what was the amount that we approved for that?

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Finance, she's going to say.

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Did it hurt the amount being out of the countable improvement plan?

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Well, so did we approve the amount originally

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that this body approved that amount?

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Because I guess my question is you said it may go over that.

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Yeah, the body approved to use the total amount,

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basically $6.43 or whatever was in the account necessarily.

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Go ahead.

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A

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million or number that I have there is for the additional space and the discussion.

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So that's a year mark of those funds.

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And we only have about 640,000 right now.

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So the count is less than what we had put on the list originally.

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So we just approved to use all that we had in there.

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So does that just extend as we continue to collect?

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We don't have to approve that.

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That's correct.

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The other thing I would add to your question is, if back a couple of columns, you'll see the CIP value of the Communications Center's $388,000.

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The police portion is the 256.

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We're using basically all of our police money that we had in the bank is going to the police station and

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the only impact fees we're spending on the communications center is that portion from the fire department, which pays for about a third of the expanded space.

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And so, yeah, the rest of that has been covered with the general fund mostly because we didn't collect as much money in the last six or eight years that we were thinking we would when we started this program in 2009.

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You

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kind of see this is when we first started and these are the different fees and how much we collected.

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The sub total for, like these are the each yearly amounts.

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So the first four years, we only collected up to about 80,000 bucks.

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And the total amount to be for foresaw and meeting was that 1.4.

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So we just had to collect it and the amounts just hadn't been coming in.

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And it's all growth related if there's no growth and you don't need as much.

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So it's

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Anymore on the police

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Streets is where it gets a little bit more interesting

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The street impact fee toll is 1.3 or almost 1.4 million the fund splits money between traffic signals and

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Roadway expansion projects, the CIP list possible signal locations and the roadway project and the city engineer in terms of timing of signal placement in which roadway project undertake. So we are currently collecting money. So we have the CIP list for roads has a large number of possible signal locations. We're not collecting for every single one of those. We collect for five possible locations and then we also collect an amount

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for projects, and this is the list.

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These are the streets that are on there currently.

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This is the value, and then there's a growth portion.

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And then this is the amount we're actually collecting.

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We don't want to collect for this much, because your impact fee would be, I don't know how much a lot, I don't give you a number, but right now-

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12 times more?

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Yeah, 12 times more, because that's what difference is.

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We're only collecting for 1.5

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Based on the growth numbers we have so we collect proportion to that

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There any questions on that

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And this is this concludes kind of the summary of all the finance portions

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So in regards to the fire

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motion, okay

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So you need a recommendation

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So we don't make a decision. We just make a recommendation to the city council

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So the question is whether

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We as a committee want to recommend the city to expend around 68,000 acquire a future site for a new fire station.

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That's correct.

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So I would need a motion for that.

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Mr. Chairman, I need to go on record as abstaining on this vote.

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Okay.

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So I need a motion to recommend.

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I make a motion that we recommend it to the city council.

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Seconded Chad to Ross Connellan with the motion and Chad

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Seconded so any more discussion on that

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do you want to roll it doesn't matter if we roll call phone all in favor say aye

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Pose

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Nobody posed

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Make sure that you put down the journalism statement all

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right

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So next the next part portion is a street expenditure so this will be choice

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deal.

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As well as a CIP addition discussion on traffic signals and choice going to take

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over, but I'm going to sit down. I'll probably have to say a few things and help tray

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out because it's kind of attack teams. Jackie was on the way here.

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So should we go to attachment three?

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So Jackie put together, well I'll be back out here.

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This here is a list of traffic intersections, CMP values for lights, you can see how

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many needed there are, of that we only fund a small portion of those lights, but these

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are all eligible to be installed, depending on what the city engineer chooses to be the

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first priority.

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So most of these, as you're well aware, are growth related, and she looks at these signals

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individually and says where where are their accidents and where's their

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growth and where's a necessity right away. If she determines one of those and

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that's where she will focus and where the money will try to be allocated. So

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while it's on the list it doesn't allow us to go off and run away and just do the

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light. Before we ever get to that point we would come before the group here and

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say we believe that this is responsible use of this money. We would like to use the

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impact fee to fund all or a portion of this signal at this location. You can choose to

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accept or deny that and then we have to figure out under other funding sources for that.

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But she doesn't do this in the vacuum and it's well thought out. But when we did some

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of these signals. There's been an additional growth, especially on the south side.

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In your packet, you have a request for two signals. One located at the corner of Harrison Street,

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3,600, and another one at Meadowview and Pulling Road East.

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Dry? So those streets don't intersect.

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Two separate signals, sorry. One, one located at 3,600, South and Harrison Street, and one

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Okay, I meto view and pulling road east up there in kind of northeast corner.

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So that is mountain view

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No, no, I understand that go to the other one

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It's bound to be yeah

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Staff report it was our intention to get this on the list because we can't do anything with these signals

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unless they're on the list, we can design them or anticipate.

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Well, the one's, the school related anyway, in a sense.

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That was her thoughts that there's going to be.

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There's a large subdivision in southern South York

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and completely growth related.

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There's going to be a lot of kids part of that.

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They're going to probably cross at this location,

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which is a half mile road perfect for this.

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What she originally drafted this staff report,

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this was what we've always done and what we plan to.

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and then we started thinking about it. There's always going to be an opportunity for growth

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and where we're going to put signals. So Jonathan, I, Fritz, all kind of had a discussion

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and it was kind of determined that maybe instead of having exact specific, we needed the original

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numbers so we had a total value there but for locations of the CIP plan we're more progressing

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in towards the idea of arterial arterial collector or collector collector. All these locations

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would be eligible for this to be used in the CIP and we had to identify as such and before

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we spent any money on them we would come and identify that individual intersection and say we

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believe this is where the money should be spent on this project and ask for approval from you guys

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at that point. So Harrison and 3600 would meet that arterial collector standard and

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then mountain view and polling roadies would meet the arterial collector. So

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explain what an arterial collector are. An arterial is based on a one-mile

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roadway. The old grid sections based on the old county roadways. Every mile we

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consider that an arterial and every quarter-mile we consider that

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collectors because they collect off of the smaller residential roads. They feed

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the collector and that eventually feeds out to the arterial where it's designed to have fast

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moving vehicles to get you to across large distances faster not like a residential neighborhood

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road and primarily where we have our our lighting right now our signals. So rather than have a big

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go with like that. So it just gets bigger and bigger.

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Just add add add adds everything we would prefer to come back and you know the the

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amount we need is 11 million dollars that continues to grow you know if we got

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back to where it was less than five signals remaining we probably should have a

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list because then we need to actually have a value yeah that's that's a long

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time's up. Okay. We would request that the impact your group authorize staff to go forward with

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to council with the idea that we the CIP plan identify those types of intersections arterial

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and arterial collector collector collector. Troy could you talk some more about how the mountain

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One view on qualifies right now, why it's so important?

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Okay.

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Is there significant amount of traffic that the Bishop's Store House has created?

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Five, six cars a day.

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All of us.

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When Canyon Village came through and developed, there was a requirement, believe part of the PED.

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It was in there, actually it was identified on the bicycle facilities plan that there was a bike facility.

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generally in this area. So they they constructed a 10 foot wide deep tap

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pipe path along the east side of this mountain view roadway right here that

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comes up to here. As I think most of you know our our canarym trail starts

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here goes off there's also another access point right here and then you can

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eventually access the rest of the canarym trail system. The goal here is to have a

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safe crossing separated from bridge view which is the other signalized

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intersection.

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To allow people across at that location, as they come around the corner, those vehicles are moving fast. Even with a preemptive warning light, we still fill it's an unsafe condition. And probably necessary for this subdivision and South to kind of have access to those newly areas. And that would be our goal to put out that location. So right now. So right now that light is going to be a four-way intersection.

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section? You stop on pull line?

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This is the possibility of that. So before we have a project, we put on the CIP list,

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we would go out and do engineering. That engineering would make a recommendation of how

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to how to signalize that. It very well could be a four-way stop intersection. My guess

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is it probably is. We the city have control of how those signals run once it's developed

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we can and we would make pull line the primary on that so metal view would be the

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mountain view would be the minority road and otherwise it would rest on

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pull line traffic so we've also had input from the transportation master plan

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people the trucking community to live at how many signals are through this

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corridor because they don't like to start stop trucks so it makes a lot of

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we would try to work with them to signal, to tighten that signal to where they don't have to stop.

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But if somebody comes up there, pushes the head button, yeah, eventually will change.

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So let me add a thought or two on this topic here.

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So the request today is, should we amend the CIP to list these differently?

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And not necessarily are we going to go build Mountain View and poll line.

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We've spent money on two traffic signals,

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impact fee money on two traffic signals

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since we've had the program going.

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The last one was Hankins and Stadium,

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which when we adopted the list wasn't on the list.

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But nobody could foresee that that would be a signal for us

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and then a couple of years later,

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the school districts decided to go, they decided to go.

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And we come back and we amend the CIP

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so that we can add stadium and Hankins

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so that we could spend impact fee money on it.

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So, one for two, right, we guessed right, one for two.

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Here, nobody thought in 2009 that Mountain View and Poline would be something we would consider,

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nor Harrison 3600, but something we would be considered.

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So, I don't know what the other one is that we're not thinking about right now, you know?

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And so, the thought is just to say, we're going to fund traffic signals,

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we're going to fund five traffic signals,

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And an arterial arterial, arterial collector or collector collector intersection where the need happens to arise

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That we don't have to keep coming back and amending our list

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Every time one comes up that we hadn't thought about before and to me that seems like a really good idea

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So again to avoid this amendment process whenever we build one we're going to come back and we're going to talk about it

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Why why it's needed we're going to ask for recommendation from the committee that committee is going to get a chance to weigh in

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I don't know if Mountain View and Poline is that location or not.

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I can see on the list several others that I still think will happen before Mountain View and Poline,

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but there's a reason for Mountain View and Poline to at least be considered that it didn't use to be.

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And there might be reasons for others to be considered in a year or two from now that we don't know about right now.

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And that's I think why we're presenting maybe we changed it in this way.

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We're still only going to collect money for five signals.

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You know, there's still $430,000 a piece and so it shouldn't, it should not affect our fee at all.

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It just gives the city engineer and her team a little more flexibility on where the need comes up to address those needs a little bit more expeditiously, I think.

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And so that's the request here.

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So we need a motion.

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I just like to say, if I could, signals will always be a reactionary action, okay?

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Unlike the street improvements themselves, there's mechanisms for getting the streets

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improved.

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But signals will always be a reaction, because until the war is there, you can't do it.

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And then when the war needs to be done, and nobody can guess in one order, you're going

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to reach a warrant on that list.

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So I totally agree that my concern when we started this discussion as you were going

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to increase the number, but as long as you lock the money in for five, but don't identify

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those five and allow traffic warrants.

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I think we could never question that, you know, because traffic warrant is directly related to safety, and I don't think anybody up here in this group was going to ignore the safety element of it. And we just can't guess what a big box or a school lands on a corner, there's going to be a warrant. Until that happens, you don't know.

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Well, and to that point, if a big box or something does go in, you have the option

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of not charging, then the impact fee, but making them put in the signal, right?

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Sotomayor Which is exactly what we do with the school district.

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Sotomayor It's absolutely not.

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Sotomayor It's a killer false element fee.

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Sotomayor Okay, so we do use impacts fees for a portion of that, of that, and then the district

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pay for the balance.

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Now, one thing I also want to clarify, when you talk about a signal warrant and capitalized

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you know, there's, that has a meaning to it, and that's not what our, what our language

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says, what our language says is that the city engineer will review and, and determine, and

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then come ask.

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It doesn't say she's going to do a warrant analysis, and I think that's important because

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stadium and Hankins would not have met a warrant analysis at the time.

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It was where, it was one where we got a little ahead of the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

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to an exact confirmation by warrant analysis.

449
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,460
But the little W warranted is where we're going with that.

450
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,380
So this isn't a signal warrant analysis.

451
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,640
This is where the city engineer believes

452
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,200
it's necessary for a variety of reasons.

453
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:44,640
And very well, that could be from a warrant

454
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,840
that comes from accidents and fatalities

455
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,720
and those kinds of things.

456
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:49,140
True.

457
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Hopefully we're going to try and get ahead of them

458
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,660
where we see the need coming in as like Hankins and Stadea.

459
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,120
Right. Well, I was going to say we're going to have high schoolers making a left hand turn onto a 50 mile an hour street.

460
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,340
You're going to have some warrants probably.

461
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,520
Different kinds of warrants.

462
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,220
So, so I need a motion to recommend this idea.

463
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,160
You can say as presented.

464
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,300
I still move.

465
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:29,170
No, I can't take it. I was going to say it in a second.

466
00:37:31,070 --> 00:37:37,950
Okay, any more discussion? Any more discussion? All in favor?

467
00:37:38,170 --> 00:37:40,890
Aye. Opposed? The same?

468
00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:43,530
Hi David.

469
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:50,930
For the second portion of this this

470
00:37:53,080 --> 00:38:00,960
has to do this is North College road

471
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,180
well west from Kriegsfahead the Sunway so Sunway Soccer Complex anybody up

472
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:16,700
kids there is a pseudo roadway in there that comes off a Sunway in and acts more

473
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:22,780
like a driveway, not a roadway, that feeds the parking area for this development out there.

474
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:31,920
And in this generalized area, we feel that connection of North College Road along here

475
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,740
and then reconstruction of the rest of it to meet the current roadway standards is kind

476
00:38:36,740 --> 00:38:47,220
of unnecessary need out there, and the idea is to use impact funds to do that.

477
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:52,880
So previously we came before the commission, Jackie came before you guys and got approval

478
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,020
to add that to the CIP list that was already discussed.

479
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:04,040
So it is on the list, but this time we would like to go forward with design dollars to use

480
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:18,060
We're asking for the impact fee to pay for the design of that roadway and then in the subsequent year we'll come back with actual numbers and a better estimate on how much the roadway actually costs.

481
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:25,380
They estimate the roadway about a million dollars until we get out there and do more analysis and there's some large irrigation in there.

482
00:39:25,380 --> 00:39:32,580
we have to look at and control and then so that that will return to you but right now there's

483
00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:39,120
investment of about 200,000 or less for engineering services associated with putting that roadway

484
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:45,420
and so we're coming for the commission actually has for authorization to spend up to $200,000 of

485
00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:46,840
impact these towards us.

486
00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:51,020
Any questions?

487
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:05,460
What percentage of this is growth related?

488
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:20,820
We're thinking it's 100%. Well, I'm no engineered study, but when

489
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:26,420
I started coaching soccer 10 years ago, it was not a need. And last year, it was a need

490
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:33,100
several different times where you have 100 cars getting parking tickets for overflow in the

491
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:38,020
for you. I know that was the thing all by itself, but I was, I was coaching Travis Rathweiler's

492
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:39,280
boys at the time. That was real funny.

493
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,140
No, we understand.

494
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,240
No, I agree. It's needed. I guess, you know, I think we just got to be

495
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:58,620
careful that impact fees are growth-related. And what, you know, I think it's needed.

496
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,560
I just

497
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,960
There's cautious how you, how far we go down the road.

498
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,540
Well, and to that point, though, is there any, as that agricultural land gets developed?

499
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:20,420
Is there any developer reimbursement that would be part of the conversation of when those

500
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:23,860
get developed, that now the developer doesn't have to put in that portion of the road?

501
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:31,260
So we are the developer and the owner of the south side of the property, and we do not

502
00:41:31,260 --> 00:41:37,440
retain paybacks the city has examined from that and when you guys put on the other hats

503
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:44,020
one I'll do that but so he will not owe the city any funds that doesn't say that he

504
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:48,540
will have responsibility the northern property have responsibility for additional real

505
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:55,420
whitening at that point too so there will be a minimum row without their identified and the

506
00:41:55,420 --> 00:42:03,600
the engineering report, and it may fall when that developer to the north has to develop the other half of the road way or something.

507
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,600
So you're suggesting it might only be a half road based on a million dollar estimate?

508
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,220
Yeah, it'll be two lanes.

509
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,600
So the collectors are a four lane width.

510
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,980
We'll build the south two lanes when the property on the north side develops, they'll build the north two lanes.

511
00:42:18,580 --> 00:42:22,220
They'll probably immediately get striped when that happens as a three lane section.

512
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:25,920
or maybe just a two-lane segment parking on the street we probably wouldn't

513
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,380
strike it as four lanes right away but the width is there for four lanes and so

514
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:34,900
we're just talking about the south half two lanes for quarter mile. Is that a

515
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:40,420
quarter mile? It's a half mile to start. Sorry, short half. So it's essentially a

516
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:46,300
lane mile of construction work we're proposing. I'd like to request a little

517
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:52,120
clarification in regards to what determines whether it's growth related or not, you

518
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,420
We have young children and we're active in a lot of the sports in the area and we're not suckers

519
00:42:56,420 --> 00:42:58,200
Not one of them, but we've been out there a lot of time

520
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,720
So I understand it's saying it's needed but where's the line of

521
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:09,700
Inneeded and growth related. How do we determine that? I think the way she so this came for your group

522
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:15,400
Last time was a time before I can't remember the exact conversation, but the way she presented it was as those

523
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:23,120
Santerra and WSNV and let it do 42 Phil Stone most develop out there. There is a

524
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,420
need for the rest of that roadway to go through and we be in the owner or

525
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:32,320
subject to that that development to make that tie and put in those quarter mile

526
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:32,840
collectors.

527
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:39,020
So if none of that development happened there would be no need for

528
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:44,300
the roadway, right? There's no they're not coming out and meet up with us and by

529
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,780
that that Sun Terror has actually attached there now at the northeast corner of

530
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:56,660
our property. This is really just a continuation of that. As the school develops

531
00:43:56,660 --> 00:44:01,960
to the south, some future time crease side will have to be developed. That's

532
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,700
that's far out there. We don't see that need right now, but if the school did

533
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:11,820
develop, that's 100% growth rate at that point. I would say the west side of the

534
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:14,420
roadway, our portion of it would have to be them out as well.

535
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:18,780
And I don't think this is just about soccer.

536
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,340
This is about the first federal park that's out there.

537
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,080
I mean, that park is always busy.

538
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:25,880
No, it's needed.

539
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,080
I agree that it's needed.

540
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:30,300
And I agree with Troy that there's some growth out there

541
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:35,340
in that area that is contributing to this.

542
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,120
But this park with soccer serves the entire community.

543
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:51,040
And that need was there long before this most recent growth, and I guess my concern

544
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:58,840
is not this one, it's just we're starting to in my mind stretch the rules of growth related.

545
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,720
I realized

546
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:22,410
It's needed, and there's some money in the fund. And you'd like to get started, but that date was there. If we wouldn't have any growth in this town in the last five years, and nobody paid a fee, there still need for improving that road, because it's substandard. So we

547
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:31,890
have a couple. I think this, I think this is some we're going to struggle with on a lot of projects in the future,

548
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:40,510
So, we have a couple choices. One, we can not recommend it and it will still go to the City Council.

549
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:50,030
We can recommend that a portion of it is growth related. So,

550
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:54,650
what would the committee like to do?

551
00:45:54,750 --> 00:46:02,450
I also recommend the engineering portion and when she comes back with the final members because we will come before you with the road construction costs.

552
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:04,050
We can either.

553
00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:06,390
But the politicians, two bets in.

554
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:16,550
I think the council would submit what significantly benefit by your professional guidance on an approximation of growth.

555
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:18,670
Gerald raises a valid question.

556
00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:25,330
The council is less qualified than most groups to get out of their own comfort zone.

557
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:29,990
And I think we need to have your guidance if that is helpful.

558
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:41,120
I'd also add a thought too on the whole growth related thing that we don't have districts

559
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:48,860
or areas in our street impact fee. Our entire street system is being evaluated with our

560
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:55,600
growth related conversation. So a new home that happens exactly the opposite

561
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:01,840
corner of town from up here has an impact on the system and in fact where this facility

562
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:08,580
is drawing cars from all over the whole city to that area. The growth in the whole city

563
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:14,520
affects the need for this road just like it would affect the need for a signal at Mountain

564
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,400
View and Pull Line.

565
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,040
And so I kind of agreed with Chad Statement earlier that you know, a

566
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:28,020
few years back, the traffic going to and from that area was not what it is today. And there's

567
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:33,340
a need for a new road, it's non-existent road at all right now, and so any road is going

568
00:47:33,340 --> 00:47:38,000
to be new road and growth road. This is different from two lanes of

569
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Eastland that are already there, and we're talking about resurfacing two lanes or adding two

570
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,500
more lanes, right? Then you have non-growth, take care of your road that you have, or new

571
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:55,700
capacity. We're talking entirely new capacity for this half-mile-ish of road, and it's

572
00:47:55,700 --> 00:48:00,580
taken traffic from the whole community to that area because it happens to be a

573
00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:07,060
destination spot. And we don't have a developer that we would typically rely

574
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:13,300
on to build arterials like happens with development. So like will happen on

575
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:17,940
the north side. So we're only talking about half of this road. To me, I think these are

576
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:24,220
the reasons why six months ago was it when we added this to the CIP is why it got

577
00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:31,680
added the way it did and I think it's probably a legitimate expense here but

578
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,720
obviously we're putting it for you guys for your thoughts on it and then and

579
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,120
then another body of seven will give their thoughts on it as well and also the

580
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:46,940
soccer complex didn't used to be all of that that it is now right it's grown over

581
00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:51,520
the years it used to just be a couple of soccer fields and now it's taken up that

582
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:58,020
whole, all that grass area. So I agree I think it is a growth thing.

583
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,820
Just with the houses

584
00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:10,020
that are down the street and you've got to have more. I live on Canyon Rim Road that's

585
00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:17,820
about two miles away and I can hear stuff that goes on and all the crowds in that and if

586
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:24,560
the wind is just right and I just can't imagine all those people coming out of one, one

587
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:31,460
approach getting onto that road and how that has to back up there so I think it's, I

588
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:32,080
think it is needed.

589
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,820
You know, it's interesting about this too and I'll just talk about one more comment and

590
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:36,560
then I'll try and be quiet.

591
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:43,680
I live, I live a quarter mile from here and if I drive to the soccer fields I drive two

592
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,480
miles and I live a quarter mile away.

593
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:53,480
So a road, a road here will actually reduce a lot of trips on other roads, falls and pull line and sunlight.

594
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,580
I think it will increase the traffic on North College significantly.

595
00:49:58,780 --> 00:49:59,960
And I think if we build it, it will be...

596
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:09,700
We've been talking about a traffic signal at Grand University College in no time, but I also think it's a necessary improvement in its time.

597
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:31,770
When I think what you said is a good reminder, I guess, when I was originally thinking about it, talking growth related, we're not necessarily talking growth related in the subdivisions and things right there in that area. We're talking the traffic and everything that is going to this destination because of the growth of the whole community. There's even been a lot of people

598
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:36,550
going to that park because it is ADA accessible from outside of Twin Falls.

599
00:50:37,090 --> 00:50:40,390
I mean, there's people from Jerome, there's White Off, and there's people from Berlin.

600
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:47,490
And it brings people from all over this region because it's the only ADA accessible park.

601
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:51,590
Sure, and it's more than just Twin Falls Parks and Recreation that uses it too.

602
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:56,130
I mean, it's their regional soccer teams or tournaments there as well.

603
00:50:56,590 --> 00:51:01,150
But I think it's also important to point out that we're talking about the street budget,

604
00:51:01,150 --> 00:51:06,470
not the park budget, even though it's directly related to the park and and the traffic of that park,

605
00:51:06,590 --> 00:51:10,890
we're not talking about pulling from park budget, we're talking about pulling from street budget

606
00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:19,050
to build the street. And it's just the design part, right? So we're not talking about a million

607
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:22,470
dollar approval, it's just the designing it correctly.

608
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:28,230
So the

609
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:33,090
way this works when if you make

610
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:40,490
make a motion and it doesn't pass then you can entertain a different motion of something

611
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:46,030
that could pass. So what's the committee want to do is anybody want to make a motion

612
00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:51,550
anyway with any conditions or a recommendation.

613
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:56,140
I'd make a motion to approve it as it's

614
00:51:56,140 --> 00:52:03,600
then presented. Recommended. Recommended? I second it.

615
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,460
Any more discussion?

616
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:16,470
Let's take a real call, vote, and this one.

617
00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:25,900
Can we add to the recommendation another, then you make another motion.

618
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,740
You can amend the motion.

619
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:36,440
I, I would like to make a recommendation to amend the motion to include that we

620
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,480
suggest it would be evaluated the percentage of the project that is being directly attributed

621
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,280
to growth versus just a need that was there before the growth.

622
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:48,320
Good.

623
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Good.

624
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:49,860
Could I clarify?

625
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:50,880
Are you saying that?

626
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:51,620
You did it.

627
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:56,520
Are you saying this design piece or for the future discussion piece?

628
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:05,100
I'm suggesting we leave the motion to suggest the same in that we proceed with the design,

629
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:09,560
but prior to the project, we've at someone evaluates

630
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,820
and there can be some discussion

631
00:53:11,820 --> 00:53:14,500
of what percentage of it was related to growth

632
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:16,300
versus an existing need.

633
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,840
So I can, before you second it.

634
00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:22,800
How about we make a commitment as staffed

635
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,420
before we present the project?

636
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:26,380
We've determined that.

637
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,160
So we will go forward with the 200,000 design,

638
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,340
but we won't come back with the other one million

639
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:33,180
until we have those numbers

640
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:38,620
first to present as part of the project that your motion that is what I would like

641
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:43,920
to make you feel a lot more comfortable. So I don't know because we have an

642
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,460
ask you for the other one million do you guys want to leave that offer not? I can't

643
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:57,140
leave it alone. I'm not going to tell you. I think it's a non-issue at this point until

644
00:53:57,140 --> 00:54:02,400
it becomes an issue. Are you asking if we're going to approve the one million

645
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,500
No, I'm not asking for that.

646
00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:05,940
Yeah, that's the message.

647
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,460
Before I come to you with the rest of the million,

648
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:11,540
we will present that as part of our.

649
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:17,810
So you think leave the amendment to the motion off for now,

650
00:54:17,970 --> 00:54:21,150
but no, when you remember six months from now,

651
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:22,230
that's what you promised.

652
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:23,210
Yes, sounds good.

653
00:54:24,110 --> 00:54:25,530
So you need to.

654
00:54:25,930 --> 00:54:29,330
So I think your motion and Troy are saying the same thing.

655
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:33,250
To me, I would go ahead and put the amendment in place

656
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:35,930
So you kind of hold us to it.

657
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:38,670
It'll remind us of what we would.

658
00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:42,730
Okay, so there's an amendment to the original motion.

659
00:54:43,470 --> 00:54:45,390
And so we would vote on that first.

660
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:50,150
And then we go, when we vote on the first one after that.

661
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:53,110
So here's only one chance.

662
00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:59,950
So the current motion that's on the table right now is that

663
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:18,760
We would recommend to move forward on the design, but before construction began, there was an analysis of what percentage of growth related that this actually is.

664
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:23,020
Right, so you have to have two votes. The first vote you'll have is on chance that yeah

665
00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:29,080
When we present the project in the future that there'll be an analysis with that

666
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Okay, so you have to vote on that one first. Okay, so let's vote on that. Any more discussion on that? All in favor say aye

667
00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:38,180
Any opposed?

668
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,120
So on the region on this one

669
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,700
Right, all right

670
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:57,900
So on the original amendment, does it go away?

671
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:02,060
The original motion, we still have the vote on it.

672
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,300
The original motion is up to 200,000 spent for design.

673
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:08,540
Okay.

674
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,600
When we're going to vote for it.

675
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,060
Okay. Yeah.

676
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:18,500
Let's just forget the roll call vote.

677
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,860
Are you saying then that that would supersede the vote we just had?

678
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,400
No, your vote's at place.

679
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:24,800
It's as amended.

680
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:28,930
So, the clarification.

681
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:33,830
The original motion was to recommend to the council that we spend $200,000.

682
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:39,330
We amended that motion, so now it says, we're recommending the council we're going to spend $200,000.

683
00:56:39,970 --> 00:56:44,650
And we're going to evaluate the growth aspect of it before we spend anymore than that.

684
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:45,230
Okay.

685
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:51,160
So,

686
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:56,190
so what do we need to do there?

687
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:57,410
Just a motion.

688
00:56:58,110 --> 00:56:58,290
Okay.

689
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:59,890
Just a motion.

690
00:56:59,890 --> 00:57:00,490
All in favor.

691
00:57:00,730 --> 00:57:01,210
Sir, roll call.

692
00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:01,850
Roll call.

693
00:57:02,090 --> 00:57:02,630
No, no, no.

694
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:04,870
Roll call.

695
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:05,090
Roll call.

696
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:05,870
Go ahead, Sharon.

697
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:14,940
Okay.

698
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:15,580
Brad Wells.

699
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:16,600
Yes.

700
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:22,910
Gerald Martin.

701
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:23,290
Yes.

702
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:26,710
Colby Ricks.

703
00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:27,530
Yes.

704
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:30,570
Nathan Bishop.

705
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:31,290
Yes.

706
00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:33,410
Chad DeBee.

707
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:33,930
Yes.

708
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:36,710
Jennifer Jensen.

709
00:57:37,090 --> 00:57:37,270
Yes.

710
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:41,830
Yes, Andrew D. Petrio.

711
00:57:41,970 --> 00:57:42,570
Or DePetro.

712
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:43,210
DePetro.

713
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:44,090
Yes, sorry.

714
00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:44,330
Yes.

715
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:47,250
And Ross Conlon.

716
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:47,850
Yes.

717
00:57:58,340 --> 00:57:58,620
Okay.

718
00:57:58,820 --> 00:57:59,280
So then.

719
00:57:59,500 --> 00:58:00,000
Yeah, that it.

720
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,280
We're done with that.

721
00:58:01,780 --> 00:58:02,480
Number seven.

722
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,300
So.

723
00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:05,020
Now you guys.

724
00:58:05,340 --> 00:58:08,100
Put on our improvement reimbursement committee.

725
00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:08,660
Right.

726
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:10,920
Okay.

727
00:58:10,980 --> 00:58:12,320
portion of this.

728
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:18,340
It won't take long.

729
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:19,560
Yeah.

730
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:24,160
So I need to recuse myself and Gerald will you take over?

731
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,560
Because this doesn't, you're not involved in this one.

732
00:58:27,780 --> 00:58:30,100
No, I think I'm involved in either one.

733
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,660
Three applications here, Brad, we'll discuss them all.

734
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:34,680
That's what it needs to be.

735
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:39,020
Okay.

736
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,460
The first improvement reimbursement committee item is federation road extension.

737
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,320
That's a lot of quick elementary school.

738
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,580
I guess our job here is to approve the reimbursement amount.

739
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:22,720
So it's your attachment for following the street one we just did.

740
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:34,320
That is Federation Road Extension right in the middle of the page.

741
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:36,320
I can't read it, Brad.

742
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,780
You're gonna give me a good number.

743
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:39,000
I forgot my glasses.

744
00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:42,390
There's no page.

745
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:43,710
I'm gonna go back.

746
00:59:45,150 --> 00:59:46,810
Is this the one that I'm gonna live like that?

747
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:47,770
Is that the one that I'm gonna live like that?

748
00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:48,670
So, I'm gonna go back.

749
00:59:48,730 --> 00:59:49,010
Okay.

750
00:59:50,050 --> 00:59:53,100
We keep, oh!

751
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,100
Wait there.

752
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:55,420
Yeah.

753
01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:32,360
So what this one was, is this is just an amendment to an existing one that was approved before, because in conversation with the person on the other end, we discovered an error in the payback calculations. And so just a quick reminder of how these works. So basically, arterials are your one mile road, collect

754
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:42,790
or your quarter mile roads, so when an improvement goes down a roadway, typically if you end up

755
01:00:42,790 --> 01:00:50,810
improving the neighbor's property, you're eligible to be reimbursed at your cost plus 15%.

756
01:00:50,810 --> 01:00:57,310
In doing this one, if you go to the...

757
01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:14,490
so what we did is we had the original amount

758
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:20,610
And what we had, we had a contract, a change order based on when the school went in,

759
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:26,610
this is Federation Road, which is where the new Rock Creek Middle School is.

760
01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:34,990
We had to extend Federation to the east to tie the school to the existing subdivision.

761
01:01:37,330 --> 01:01:43,150
So this figure didn't change at all, but what happened is this D-Duck did change.

762
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:44,210
So

763
01:01:51,480 --> 01:02:00,260
what happened is that part of that original change order is 170,000 was included in that

764
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:10,160
were 5 ADA approaches that got changed from a single approach on an angle to two individual

765
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:17,780
approaches, and they ended up being $1,500 a piece, so there was an additional $7,500 that

766
01:02:17,780 --> 01:02:24,000
That should have been deducted from the original, but wasn't so, go back to this.

767
01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:37,100
So that reduced, this figure ended up being $7,500 more, which reduced this down to $130,000

768
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:41,220
plus the 15% or $350,000.

769
01:02:41,220 --> 01:02:41,620
dollars.

770
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:51,220
This school district is negotiating with Northern Passage and want to use these

771
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:57,160
numbers but just to keep the numbers clean and it's because it's a public entity, everything

772
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:06,380
needs to be open to the public. So we're just asking for you to allow us to amend this

773
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:13,660
It's an existing improvement of application to the lower amount, that's all I need.

774
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,940
I will take a motion to approve the amended amount.

775
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:23,380
I'll make the motion, and we approve the amended amount.

776
01:03:24,580 --> 01:03:25,680
Is there a second?

777
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:32,940
The motion is second to approve the amended amount, as presented, all in favor, say aye.

778
01:03:33,620 --> 01:03:33,780
Aye.

779
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:37,810
That one's taken care of.

780
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:38,310
Okay.

781
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:40,880
All right.

782
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:41,260
Thank you.

783
01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:48,980
So the next one, if you'll go to this sheet, just go about 8 more sheets, says

784
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:53,600
Cheney Drive West extended Philstone Professional subdivision.

785
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:58,410
So this is

786
01:03:58,410 --> 01:03:58,930
the narrative,

787
01:04:05,380 --> 01:04:10,680
so this is St. Luke right here, this is the parking lot, this is

788
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:18,360
Cheney Drive West, this is Grand View Drive, so this is the Twin Falls Reform

789
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:34,900
So when, so part of a redesign of this whole area to help the traffic into that area, to open up this away from the North College Grandview intersection,

790
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:44,120
we proposed to have just completed a drive west extended. There's an offset intersection here.

791
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,160
and it actually keeps going over to Cric site at this point and there's construction going

792
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:55,200
on here of a transition center, a memory care center, and there's department complex.

793
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,540
in putting this road through.

794
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:28,920
It was a joint venture with the city on this part, the Mobile Home Park on this part, I owned all this part, and then there were owners here. City paid for their part. I'm paying for this, but as the road comes and becomes on to the Reform Church, the road swings one more time and then splits the two properties. The center line, the road is the property line between

795
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:38,170
Twin Falls Reform Church in this division. So what happens is this

796
01:05:38,170 --> 01:05:45,190
roadway right here that's on their property becomes eligible to be paid back

797
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:48,690
once it's complete. And

798
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:55,550
so we have we have this payback in place and when the

799
01:05:55,550 --> 01:06:00,410
Reform Church decides to do more construction here, that's what triggers it.

800
01:06:00,410 --> 01:06:06,870
But nothing else, if they don't ever do another expansion or anything on their church, that

801
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:09,890
will just sit out here, may never be paid.

802
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:18,370
But if they ever do develop and then they're liable to pay for their portion of that road

803
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:25,350
that was placed on their property, and they'd already granted a ride away there for the road

804
01:06:25,350 --> 01:06:25,950
to go in.

805
01:06:25,950 --> 01:06:34,260
Is that limited to construction on that side or is that any construction that takes place on the property?

806
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:39,760
So again, the eighth mile rule is that in this case, it's a collector.

807
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:48,580
And so everything that went down here from the center line to the south is this guy's responsibility.

808
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:52,400
Everything that's from the center line north is this guy's responsibility.

809
01:06:53,220 --> 01:07:01,820
But water lines are put in a grid system, meaning that we have major lines go down our

810
01:07:01,820 --> 01:07:02,220
terminals.

811
01:07:02,620 --> 01:07:05,220
We have a little smaller lines that go down collectors.

812
01:07:06,340 --> 01:07:13,020
That regardless of how you develop, this person and this person are going to have to have

813
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:15,620
a water line going down those common collectors.

814
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:19,800
So we take that water line and we split it 50-50.

815
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,540
This property takes 50% and this property takes 50%.

816
01:07:25,890 --> 01:07:32,690
Same with sewer if there's a sewer line that benefits both properties,

817
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:36,290
then it becomes but there's no sewer line in this point.

818
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:38,310
So the only improvements,

819
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,960
I'll walk you through the pages in just a minute.

820
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,940
So this is the street that goes in.

821
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:13,160
So there's new curb and gutter that goes along on the church's property.

822
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:18,340
There's no sidewalk because it wasn't required until they developed down the road.

823
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:25,200
And then there's 17 or a point and a half feet of asphalt roadway.

824
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:32,500
And this is a little bit heavier duty depending on the traffic on this road.

825
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:37,800
whether it's how much gravel I this something get up to 20 inches of gravel and

826
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:44,300
someone get to a four inch mat of asphalt so the only two improvements that

827
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:49,020
were eligible were the roadway work and then the water line that went through

828
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:49,640
here

829
01:08:53,100 --> 01:08:54,740
so

830
01:08:57,170 --> 01:09:01,230
to clarify it's you're doing both sides of the road so I'm the whole

831
01:09:01,230 --> 01:09:05,870
road got improved but it's only the portion that would end up being on their

832
01:09:05,870 --> 01:09:15,150
property that's eligible. So in your application we do a narrative showing a

833
01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:20,990
ridden narrative of it which is the kind of start flip over.

834
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,060
So then I go

835
01:09:26,060 --> 01:09:30,520
through and show what area of benefits. So the yellow area here is the area that

836
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,360
benefited from those improvements and that is entirely owned by the Reform

837
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:34,780
church.

838
01:09:41,370 --> 01:09:46,170
So I included in there the contract for the improvements of all of

839
01:09:46,170 --> 01:09:55,370
Cheney. It was $1,000,000, $70,000 to prove the whole half mile of Cheney. But

840
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:59,990
what I, you get reimbursed, you need to know what the unit cost.

841
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:21,920
So, this is just the prices that I paid to have it done. So, when I get reimbursed, I get to be reimbursed for the cost and what it cost me to have it done. Not some inflated value that I think would be worth later.

842
01:10:26,150 --> 01:10:33,370
So, basically, these are the improvements that were in. There was a water line in the state of the government.

843
01:10:33,370 --> 01:10:38,010
their, their, their South property is 664 feet.

844
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:42,870
These are the unit pricing based on the contract from Jeff Lidle.

845
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:47,870
So we put in one gate valve, there was one fire hydrant that,

846
01:10:48,270 --> 01:10:52,290
that was split between the two of us in fittings.

847
01:10:52,730 --> 01:10:56,830
In a system, collect is when they, when we collect,

848
01:10:56,990 --> 01:11:00,730
we connect into an existing water line, we have to be,

849
01:11:00,730 --> 01:11:06,290
We have to sanitize the line, it's a process, so it's a line item that's on the estimate.

850
01:11:07,190 --> 01:11:14,490
The transportation portion of it is, an excavator comes in, digs out the existing roadway,

851
01:11:14,690 --> 01:11:23,870
puts it to proximate rough grade, with $664 feet of curb cost $17.50, a lineal foot,

852
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:28,610
but we had a three inch asphalt mat.

853
01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:30,650
So the asphalt's three inches thick.

854
01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:34,050
And that's priced on a unit pricing.

855
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:38,030
And then there's gravel.

856
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:43,110
And so you do calculations of how much gravel goes in there.

857
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:48,310
And there were 440,000 cubic yards.

858
01:11:49,190 --> 01:11:56,760
And then every project like that has a storm water prevention,

859
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:03,960
pollution prevention plan and in this case I just estimated the cost of the

860
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,120
overall project was close to a million dollars and this is 75 so that was about

861
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:16,940
8% of the swim plan. So my cost to put that improvement on top of their

862
01:12:16,940 --> 01:12:25,900
property cost me 65,000. There's a reimbursement fee of 15% to cover my soft

863
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:30,780
cost, engineering, inspection, and it really doesn't cover all the cost.

864
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,560
So, and that's just a one-time fee, if this gets paid back in 20 years, that's all you,

865
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,900
you get paid back, is this amount?

866
01:12:41,180 --> 01:12:43,540
So, that total is $75,000.

867
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:54,620
So I have a, for this application, EHM was the engineer on it.

868
01:12:54,620 --> 01:13:04,220
But I have a third party engineer take the application and certify that all the numbers

869
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:05,680
and everything makes sense.

870
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:08,840
So the city doesn't have to go through that expense of doing that.

871
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:17,400
So in your package here on the last page of the application,

872
01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:25,170
it's actually very front of

873
01:13:25,170 --> 01:13:25,610
it.

874
01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:35,850
So,

875
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:52,740
the second page of this application is Hayley Barnes is a license engineer and she

876
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:57,240
certifies that the numbers are right.

877
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:03,880
She can't certify that it's eligible, that's your job, if you agree with what that's.

878
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,620
Her job is just to look at the engineering part and confirm that.

879
01:14:09,900 --> 01:14:10,820
The

880
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:25,240
only thing that's different on this one is you're I'm asking you to approve it without

881
01:14:25,820 --> 01:14:35,040
the final letter that the city grants once the improvement is totally finished, inspected

882
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:42,660
and accepted for perpetual maintenance and all the improvements are done.

883
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:48,940
But my portions a quarter mile and it was a half mile overall project and

884
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,900
The engineering department

885
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:59,060
One to wait till the whole road was done this spring before giving me that final letter

886
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:30,910
Because we only meet twice a year, and rather than ask you to come back before that, it's legal that you guys can approve this on the condition that I submit to the city that letter of acceptance. So Fred said that was okay to do on this one. Because there's some sidewalk that needs to be done on the on the other off from my part.

887
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:35,290
So is there any question?

888
01:15:35,650 --> 01:15:43,130
So can I ask, what would be the trigger for them to have to use this if they pull a

889
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:50,490
building permit of any kind on the property, even if it has nothing to do with the south's

890
01:15:50,490 --> 01:15:51,350
half of the property?

891
01:15:52,210 --> 01:15:52,310
Okay.

892
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:58,610
So they want to install a fart fan in a bathroom, they have to, they said $5,000.

893
01:15:58,610 --> 01:16:04,470
I believe, you know, certainly there's more conflicts of interest to this room right

894
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:14,270
now than you can imagine, but there's been a lot of discussions out there relative to

895
01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:18,510
the church, but basically any improvement that would otherwise normally require them

896
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:21,570
to do improvements on their frontage would trigger it, okay.

897
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:27,730
Now, a remodel of the bathroom would not, repaving to the parking lot would not.

898
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:37,310
In addition to their sanctuary wood, they're in the process, they have a three-year plan to expand and add a bunch of classrooms.

899
01:16:38,210 --> 01:16:39,350
So that will trigger it?

900
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:40,330
That will trigger it.

901
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:40,550
Yeah.

902
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:44,930
And I, in support of, I guess Brad here,

903
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:52,570
we did EHM, I'm no longer EHM, but awful close to it, awful close to this project.

904
01:16:52,570 --> 01:17:01,070
The I've reviewed the process, the numbers, the calculations, the way he's allocated the costs, I think it's correct.

905
01:17:02,050 --> 01:17:03,970
I think it's been checked by a third party.

906
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:14,170
So I think what we need to do today is approve this payback calculation of some 70, whatever that number is.

907
01:17:14,890 --> 01:17:21,750
It's here, but I think it should be subject to the city's ultimate acceptance of the road.

908
01:17:23,850 --> 01:17:28,510
So I think a motion to that effect is what we need to move this off, move this on.

909
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:30,330
Sure, and go ahead.

910
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:36,750
And so it sounds like you're kind of going ahead of maybe what is typical.

911
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:38,010
Is there a reason why?

912
01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:43,170
This is the first time I've done, yeah, because we don't meet twice a year.

913
01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:52,590
And I did this last time I had one that Troy and I decided the last minute that it was wrong.

914
01:17:52,590 --> 01:17:59,150
And so I withdrew it and waited for six months to redo it because they're in the process of doing

915
01:18:00,450 --> 01:18:09,010
Planting their improvements. I would like to have this done now rather than next fall and so we talked as a city attorney Fritz

916
01:18:09,010 --> 01:18:09,550
Wonderleg

917
01:18:10,190 --> 01:18:13,590
Whether this is proper and he's had no problem with it

918
01:18:14,350 --> 01:18:18,510
City Council a lot of times will approve something with condition

919
01:18:18,510 --> 01:18:23,790
So they don't have to revisit it again, because it's something that staff can take care of.

920
01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:27,530
And now, and they gave, did they give up property?

921
01:18:28,170 --> 01:18:30,210
Or was that an easement, or does it?

922
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:33,190
They gave, they gave the city the right away.

923
01:18:34,230 --> 01:18:38,530
And does that benefit it to them at all, or does that?

924
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:45,790
So part of when they, when you develop any property in Twin Falls,

925
01:18:45,790 --> 01:18:51,830
You always have to give up right away if you're on a collector or an arterial street

926
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:56,490
That's just to give and they won't approve any more approvals on that property

927
01:18:56,490 --> 01:19:01,470
So there's like the school district when they put the school in over on

928
01:19:02,410 --> 01:19:09,610
Till or falls they had to give their right away for all of Hankins and all of

929
01:19:09,610 --> 01:19:12,010
And finally, because that was their parcel.

930
01:19:12,650 --> 01:19:15,890
And that's just, that's a fundamental thing that we needed.

931
01:19:17,150 --> 01:19:20,270
I think if you're concerned about any development,

932
01:19:20,910 --> 01:19:23,670
had this not happened and the church came in next month

933
01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:26,670
with their project, they would have to donate the land then.

934
01:19:27,490 --> 01:19:31,310
And do the improvements and the improvements will all assure you

935
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:34,630
would cost significantly more to do it later because they got

936
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:38,830
this number is in the benefit of the larger project.

937
01:19:38,830 --> 01:19:46,270
So it's, you know, the churches, well represented in their negotiations on this, they're just,

938
01:19:46,830 --> 01:19:51,310
it's a good deal for the church when they move to get those improvements in.

939
01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:53,190
It's cost them more to do it later.

940
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:59,490
And they're getting the benefit of it in the meantime, and Brad financed it.

941
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:28,380
And he's carrying the cost. His work, Brad's work has all been approved. It's just some of the work outside the scope of this area has not been all completed and approved. It will be. But I think it is important. If we have an approval, just keep it clean that it's conditioned upon ultimate city acceptance for this project. Well, I think it's important to note that although it is a church and very likely a nonprofit organization.

942
01:20:28,380 --> 01:20:31,800
and should they decide to split off that south half,

943
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:34,860
they will significantly benefit from that improvement

944
01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:35,720
having been added.

945
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,140
Therefore, it makes it for them to pay for it.

946
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:42,500
I have a quick question.

947
01:20:42,620 --> 01:20:44,000
I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

948
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,140
So once they pull that curve in,

949
01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:48,200
they're responsible for this reimbursement.

950
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,540
Is there a timeline of when they have to pay that back

951
01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:52,600
or is it with the first project?

952
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,900
So the city is the gatekeeper on the funds,

953
01:20:55,900 --> 01:21:01,660
but they don't they don't want to be involved in the financial part. So all they they this the

954
01:21:01,660 --> 01:21:07,200
Church will need a letter from me releasing them before the city would give them a final

955
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,980
occupancy. A building permit. Well, the initial permit.

956
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:20,280
Yeah, I for a building permit and and and that permit will not be issued until there's a letter from

957
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:28,100
The other party in the payback provision, if I wanted to donate that to the church.

958
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,780
If they wait twenty-one years, obviously they get a letter from the city of the letter.

959
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:34,400
The city doesn't care.

960
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,960
Gerald's done these and he's just traded people stuff.

961
01:21:38,820 --> 01:21:40,940
He's improved something else for him.

962
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,260
The terms are up to the person requesting the reimbursement.

963
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:51,820
Yeah, the church would go to Brad and negotiate the best deal they can just

964
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,160
so you saw on the school this week

965
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:04,960
We would rather have the money now rather than wait till it was triggered down the road so we might have that

966
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:06,800
Conversation

967
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:14,130
hi Dan if it gives you guys any comfort level because you haven't done this before where you're conditioning approvals

968
01:22:14,130 --> 01:22:21,070
But we do it all the time the planning zoning commission. It's a regular occurrence and sometimes you'll see seven or eight or nine

969
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:31,730
conditions, so Council does them all the time. It's totally appropriate. Essentially what will happen is if that roadway is never accepted, your approval never happened.

970
01:22:32,690 --> 01:22:40,930
And so it's just as if we never voted on it. The condition is an absolutely appropriate way to go on this. And I would, along with Gerald, I would recommend we do that.

971
01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:44,730
Any if they if they put a soccer field out there, is that

972
01:22:46,190 --> 01:22:51,790
Soccer field wouldn't require a building permit. No, I don't require a permit. Anything it requires a building bill that would

973
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,180
I'm cautious when I say that any

974
01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:59,680
Significant improvement out there requiring a building permit

975
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:06,680
I think if they got a permit to do a renovation inside the building that didn't create additional square footage

976
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:07,820
I don't think it would trigger

977
01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:11,260
But it certainly would if they expand their facility

978
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,120
Okay.

979
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,180
I would take a motion to approve it with a condition.

980
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:28,120
I would make that motion with the condition that, what was the condition?

981
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:29,340
On city approval?

982
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:29,840
Yeah.

983
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:30,700
City approval.

984
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:31,700
Second.

985
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:32,820
I second it.

986
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:34,300
All in favor?

987
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:34,940
Say aye.

988
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:35,840
Aye.

989
01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:36,900
All opposed.

990
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,060
Same sign.

991
01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:39,860
Prove unanimously.

992
01:23:43,210 --> 01:23:43,710
I motion.

993
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:44,930
Second.

994
01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:58,160
So, are we putting anybody in hardship right now by doing one more thing?

995
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,560
Not if you do it in 15 minutes.

996
01:24:01,660 --> 01:24:02,300
Okay.

997
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,720
You get 15 minutes and it will be a hardship.

998
01:24:06,780 --> 01:24:07,360
Over time.

999
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:08,300
Okay.

1000
01:24:10,660 --> 01:24:14,240
So, this ordinance was written in 2010.

1001
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,100
And I authored it.

1002
01:24:17,260 --> 01:24:21,440
It was a collaboration between the different developers,

1003
01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:26,400
but it was a head scratcher on actually how to put what

1004
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,580
we want to do in writing.

1005
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,680
We want to change a couple things.

1006
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:37,260
We came to you last meeting with the idea of changing

1007
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:42,780
the definition of an initial developer or private developer

1008
01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:47,540
to include school districts, nonprofits, different things.

1009
01:24:47,980 --> 01:24:54,040
And so last meeting we came, the city came to you and asked you to

1010
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:59,540
to recommend this change to the City Council, like Chris, just to come.

1011
01:25:01,420 --> 01:25:18,620
Describe that the city council can't be experts in everything. We're more experts than the city council as far as they back so. So there's a couple things triggered some changes. One of them was their south of Twin Falls.

1012
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:33,850
There's kind of been a moratorium, so to speak, of not having the property infrastructure to building more new homes. So really for the past eight, nine years we've been working on.

1013
01:25:33,850 --> 01:25:40,410
trying to overcome those obstacles and the city has gone a long way to eliminate

1014
01:25:40,410 --> 01:25:47,110
all of them but one and when that one was where the water tanks are south of

1015
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:55,490
town on Washington Road, cities just completing a four million dollar pumps

1016
01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:57,910
booster station replacement.

1017
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:04,120
That was one of the final pieces to open up this

1018
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:08,900
entire basin, everything south called the south basin, to development.

1019
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:16,140
But a water line needed to be put down 3,600 and that's the road that becomes the highway.

1020
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,540
So it's the water tank road that goes east and west.

1021
01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:28,380
So we needed to run a water line, 24-inch line all the way down toward the Harrison which

1022
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:31,000
where the new middle school is.

1023
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:41,800
So by putting that line in, that opened up a large area of the south part of town to

1024
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,080
have the proper fire flows and water pressure.

1025
01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:55,590
So, so aiders, so developers are funding a million dollar water line.

1026
01:26:56,690 --> 01:27:03,450
They're splitting the cost, basically, almost 1,000 lots, so everybody's paying about a thousand

1027
01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:09,890
dollars to put this line in. We have a boundary on that. There are people outside that boundary

1028
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:16,390
that don't want to participate now, but we need to have a way that they can at a later date.

1029
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:27,450
So the way that the current resolution was written, only talked about water lines that split

1030
01:27:27,450 --> 01:27:33,490
two properties were went across the property. This waterline opened up a whole area of properties

1031
01:27:33,490 --> 01:27:42,790
that are not even adjacent to that line but they were now able to develop because this line

1032
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:51,400
went in and the line didn't go in they would not be able to develop. So we needed to amend this portion

1033
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:59,700
in here and Troy pointed out there's an error in a previous part that will have to fix

1034
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:01,720
but it won't affect what you're doing.

1035
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:10,520
So I rewrote this part to talk about for all reimbursements except for water distribution

1036
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:17,900
systems of lines greater than 12 inch that require additional water capacity for service

1037
01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:27,180
area greater than 160 acres. Full compensation be determined by the cost plus

1038
01:28:27,180 --> 01:28:28,420
15%.

1039
01:28:34,050 --> 01:28:38,570
So all water distributions accept the ones that are larger than 12

1040
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:45,150
inches. 12 inches is usually the line that goes down an arterial road. Rarely do

1041
01:28:45,150 --> 01:28:50,490
we get bigger than that unless we have a real water need and then that's got to be

1042
01:28:50,490 --> 01:29:00,410
funded by some mechanism. In this case they're put a 24 inch line down and it's you know it's

1043
01:29:00,410 --> 01:29:07,770
costing close to a million dollars. So what I'm asking we're asking you to recommend to the

1044
01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:16,210
city council that you allow us to split this up a little bit for lines that are beyond the standard 12

1045
01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:24,990
inch line and serve a bigger area that's a half mile square the full

1046
01:29:24,990 --> 01:29:31,550
compensation is the cost of it plus 25 percent the reason it it's more is

1047
01:29:31,550 --> 01:29:36,870
there's a tremendous amount of engineering water modeling and a lot more

1048
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:41,770
costs that go into this and the payback on something like this is really long

1049
01:29:41,770 --> 01:29:49,330
So we're asking to increase that to 25% on those and the other change is

1050
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:55,850
20 years sounds like a long time, but if you're familiar with Twin Falls

1051
01:29:57,490 --> 01:29:59,970
Where Addison and Carage Lane

1052
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,940
Shane St. Luke's has a clinic there. And Carish Lane goes north from Addison with fields on both sides before you get to the housing project. Gary Nelson put that in 18 years ago with the idea he would hopefully get paid by those land owners. That property is not developed yet. And we have probably four properties that are going to turn out here pretty soon, but they really still

1053
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:37,480
deserve that payback. So I'm asking to be able to extend that from 20 to 25 years after

1054
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:38,300
the acceptance.

1055
01:30:40,340 --> 01:30:47,020
So that those people still do get paid back. When we picked 20 before

1056
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:56,520
it was an arbitrary number, it just seemed like a long enough number but it isn't. So that's

1057
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,980
That's the change in that portion to

1058
01:31:06,030 --> 01:31:10,990
make that same language work in the water portion

1059
01:31:10,990 --> 01:31:12,290
of the pay back.

1060
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:16,330
A little bit of change had to be made here.

1061
01:31:19,190 --> 01:31:25,450
I added for the properties that benefit within the defined area before I never dealt with

1062
01:31:25,450 --> 01:31:30,370
the idea of a defined area that a water line here would benefit this whole area.

1063
01:31:30,370 --> 01:31:49,560
And so the other part of it is for developments that the water distribution system requires the installation of a major distribution line larger than 12 inches that provides sufficient water supply for an entire defined area that's greater than

1064
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:54,000
and 1.5 mile square or 160 acres,

1065
01:31:54,460 --> 01:31:57,780
all undeveloped properties within that defined boundary

1066
01:31:57,780 --> 01:31:59,580
shall be the responsibility,

1067
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:02,560
shall be responsible for their share of the cost

1068
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:03,320
of the water line.

1069
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,260
So there are people within the boundary

1070
01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:10,060
of this water line has benefited

1071
01:32:10,740 --> 01:32:12,480
that don't want to pay,

1072
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:16,200
works out about $3, $4,000 maker.

1073
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:23,220
So, you know, some of me own 40 acres there, but they don't want to participate at this

1074
01:32:23,220 --> 01:32:27,160
point, but they eventually down the road for that land to develop, they're going to

1075
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,540
need to buy into this water line.

1076
01:32:29,980 --> 01:32:35,620
So this gives the people that are financing it up front now, the ability to get paid back

1077
01:32:35,620 --> 01:32:38,820
for their investment into this water line.

1078
01:32:38,820 --> 01:32:39,600
The

1079
01:32:41,740 --> 01:32:44,040
last change is

1080
01:32:48,330 --> 01:32:55,470
taking this whole idea, so we do transportation, pressurized irrigation

1081
01:32:55,470 --> 01:33:03,430
which is a pump station and canal water pump into a pressurized system within the subdivision,

1082
01:33:04,450 --> 01:33:06,770
the sewer lines and the water lines.

1083
01:33:07,770 --> 01:33:12,370
So we also have the Twin Falls Canal Company water distribution system.

1084
01:33:13,110 --> 01:33:23,490
So all these canals that you see, there's a 1903, there was a law that when an irrigation

1085
01:33:23,490 --> 01:33:28,350
ditch gets all placed, then there's an implied right away there, and you can't move that

1086
01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:34,530
ditch from now on, it always stays in the ownership by the Twin Falls Canal Company.

1087
01:33:34,730 --> 01:33:39,230
So there are lines piped, unpiped, that go throughout this whole city.

1088
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:52,660
There are situations, we just got done putting in a big line that was about 700,000.

1089
01:33:54,940 --> 01:34:04,020
This won't really affect it, but what we're trying to do is go down to the drawings because

1090
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:29,710
because a canal line meanders follows gravity, I put three examples, so if there's a,

1091
01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:37,530
we have parcel A, parcel B, this is their property line, and we have an open canal line

1092
01:34:37,530 --> 01:34:40,990
that goes here then meanders onto their property and goes back.

1093
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:48,130
If that guy develops here, they're going to make him pipe this whole thing.

1094
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:59,510
And so this portion here ends up getting moved up here, but this guy is benefited by this guy eliminating that.

1095
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,080
So, that portion is eligible to be paid back by parcel B to parcel A.

1096
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:31,060
Because the canals have, the small ones have a 15 foot right away from the toe of the bank, and that's where the bank curls around, that line may go down in the right away, maybe on parcel D's property. But the actual line is not. In that case, just because the right away is on that property.

1097
01:35:32,420 --> 01:35:36,760
He's not liable to pay for that line.

1098
01:35:37,620 --> 01:35:44,660
It has to be that line being on his property before it triggers in being eligible.

1099
01:35:45,780 --> 01:35:46,960
Go to example three.

1100
01:35:53,590 --> 01:36:02,070
Another situation that happens is parcel G's been developed and that pipe has been piped.

1101
01:36:02,070 --> 01:36:13,710
to open ditch, meanders, parcel E decides to improve his property. The canal company

1102
01:36:13,710 --> 01:36:19,770
will not let you just all sudden go back into pipe and leave this open. They'll make this

1103
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:27,510
property, this developer go back to this point and run it all the way across. So this portion

1104
01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:33,590
here would be eligible for the payback whenever parcel app develops.

1105
01:36:34,910 --> 01:36:41,070
If parcel app doesn't develop, you know, for 20 years, he doesn't have to pay anything,

1106
01:36:41,210 --> 01:36:44,170
but once he does develop, you would have to pay that.

1107
01:36:45,370 --> 01:36:50,650
So we ran into that that we had a property here and the pipe here, and we had to go across

1108
01:36:50,650 --> 01:36:58,270
some else's property and the canal company used few down filer on the south side

1109
01:36:58,270 --> 01:37:04,970
of filer you'll see open four foot wide canal lines going across and that's they

1110
01:37:04,970 --> 01:37:10,390
don't ever want that to happen so other than the technical parts of it which

1111
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:15,450
I wouldn't expect you guys to understand that's the that's the gist of what we're

1112
01:37:15,450 --> 01:37:21,490
were adding. When we wrote the original ordinance, we talked about doing the gravity irrigation

1113
01:37:22,290 --> 01:37:29,610
and decided that it was probably too complicated. We weren't sure how to do it, but now that

1114
01:37:29,610 --> 01:37:37,950
we've had eight years or seven years of the reimbursements, I feel confident that I was

1115
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:41,550
able to accurately make this fair.

1116
01:37:44,210 --> 01:37:51,330
So what we're asking you to do is make a recommendation to the City Council to approve

1117
01:37:51,330 --> 01:37:54,550
this amendment to the resolution.

1118
01:37:58,530 --> 01:38:05,070
Being involved in this every day, and listening to it every day, I mean this document is evolving.

1119
01:38:05,070 --> 01:38:12,310
it's getting better and getting fairer and we keep finding some of these things

1120
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:16,990
that brought on these changes that Brad has just gone through that need

1121
01:38:16,990 --> 01:38:25,230
refinement from the development community I think that I strongly support it. I

1122
01:38:25,230 --> 01:38:33,350
think we need to make the recommendation. What really happens this is this is the

1123
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:39,450
guideline but as Brad mentioned earlier at least half of the time the two

1124
01:38:39,450 --> 01:38:44,550
property owners end up getting together and working it out anyway but if

1125
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:49,030
they can't work it out then there's a procedure by which one guy puts the

1126
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:53,030
bell and the other guy pays a share later but the two property owners could

1127
01:38:53,030 --> 01:39:00,270
always get together and work it out not only the payment percentages but when

1128
01:39:00,270 --> 01:39:06,250
that's paid and how it's paid or a lot of times as Brad alluded to you end up doing something

1129
01:39:06,250 --> 01:39:12,610
else for the adjacent property owner rather than rather than recovering funds from them or vice

1130
01:39:12,610 --> 01:39:22,670
versa. And so I strongly support these amendments, recommend them. I will wonder

1131
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:26,010
whether I should

1132
01:39:26,010 --> 01:39:36,190
abstain. Just because I am one of the property owners involved in the one the big line,

1133
01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:42,970
the big 24 inch water line and just to be careful I probably should abstain. But I think

1134
01:39:42,970 --> 01:39:48,510
that this the only on that particular one all it does is it makes everybody that benefit

1135
01:39:49,170 --> 01:39:51,050
share in the cost equally.

1136
01:39:53,230 --> 01:39:56,410
I will abstain. I was going to ask if I should do the same.

1137
01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:58,710
being indirectly involved.

1138
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,420
Should I abstain as well?

1139
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:18,560
I have a canal company, kind of ditched behind my house. Should I? No, no, I'm not. So,

1140
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:25,320
class, that big improvement to the water tower out there on Washington, that's pretty much wrapped up with

1141
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:31,640
And the, the, the D tour with the road work going down 3,600 is that this upgrade that's

1142
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:32,360
going on right now.

1143
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:37,820
Okay, and then it's going to end about where the D tour sign ends right now.

1144
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,220
And it'll be able to go north into all that area.

1145
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:41,720
Yes.

1146
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:47,580
And then also, whatever farmland within a half a mile of that going east if somebody else

1147
01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:47,780
gets.

1148
01:40:47,860 --> 01:40:49,680
All the way to Blue Lakes, the Northern Lakes.

1149
01:40:49,820 --> 01:40:50,000
Yes.

1150
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:55,940
is in this, everything all the way to the lakes and north and everything north and

1151
01:40:55,940 --> 01:41:02,280
quite a bit south will benefit from this line, it is sized to serve that area.

1152
01:41:03,380 --> 01:41:07,120
So this, all these will serve letters and all this, to hold off on developing on

1153
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:13,360
the land, on the south side, and the sewer, the way to follow this, puts it all in.

1154
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,460
Okay, this is pretty fascinating.

1155
01:41:19,700 --> 01:41:26,760
I have a quick question, so if we're changing it from 20 to 25 years, if there's somebody in the last year or so that is

1156
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:32,640
de-weighted for their 21 years, can this go back, and would they have to take a decision?

1157
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:43,480
So what this status is, this changes the time from the original or step to the letter, because there's a point when you finish all the improvements

1158
01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:47,940
in the city says we'll take him on now for the rest of the

1159
01:41:47,940 --> 01:41:53,780
eternity. So we're saying that was 20. Now we're going to make it

1160
01:41:53,780 --> 01:41:57,340
25 if somebody's waiting for that 21 years. They're going to have to

1161
01:41:57,340 --> 01:42:03,320
wait for 25 years. So we do affect that. But that's that's happens

1162
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:07,780
with codes when we change building codes. You know, somebody's

1163
01:42:07,780 --> 01:42:11,600
maybe waiting to build something under this code, but the code's

1164
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:17,560
going to change and cost a lot more money. I can see what you're saying, but yes, and

1165
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:21,940
what you're saying is true. If somebody's waiting, I don't, if somebody waited, they're

1166
01:42:21,940 --> 01:42:23,180
21 years old.

1167
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:28,280
That's impossible. This, this policy hasn't been in effect 21 years. So that's impossible

1168
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:32,920
for anybody to be in that position. So it wouldn't need to be retroactive. Retroactive.

1169
01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:38,940
What's the 18 years of Gary Nelson that that was brought up? So, so Gerald's right. This,

1170
01:42:38,940 --> 01:42:46,900
this is not that older code. They had older paybacks that were eligible and they could have came in and reapplied and

1171
01:42:46,900 --> 01:42:57,060
resubscribed to you and then we would have kept track of them with GIS of those. We have about 10, maybe 12 of these that have been before the commission.

1172
01:42:57,740 --> 01:43:01,560
Those are the only ones we're tracking and all of them are far less than 20 years.

1173
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,560
I don't think there's anybody that can fall into that situation.

1174
01:43:04,940 --> 01:43:10,520
That's either a 20-year-old who wants to want about Gary Nielsen where he's he would qualify he would qualify

1175
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:16,020
but he hasn't submitted so we have no way of tracking so you'd have to submit and it would be

1176
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:26,100
at that point he would know of right now actually this benefit is Gary because just Gary's not well he's

1177
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:28,120
one that's receiving the money, not paying the money.

1178
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:28,540
All right.

1179
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:29,700
Okay.

1180
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:31,220
Okay.

1181
01:43:38,970 --> 01:43:42,170
So we need to make a motion to prove this amendment.

1182
01:43:43,090 --> 01:43:43,830
I think you're right.

1183
01:43:44,170 --> 01:43:45,870
I'll make a motion to approve the amendment.

1184
01:43:46,370 --> 01:43:46,990
My second.

1185
01:43:47,210 --> 01:43:47,330
That.

1186
01:43:59,730 --> 01:44:00,990
I'm going back in charge here.

1187
01:44:01,290 --> 01:44:02,470
Oh, okay.

1188
01:44:03,090 --> 01:44:04,530
No, you could be running this.

1189
01:44:04,610 --> 01:44:04,870
Okay.

1190
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:11,430
Anyway, we've been moved and seconded to approve the amendments to the payback ordinance.

1191
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:13,190
I would recommend approval.

1192
01:44:13,390 --> 01:44:14,570
I think the commission will do that.

1193
01:44:14,710 --> 01:44:15,970
I think Jennifer should make the.

1194
01:44:16,230 --> 01:44:17,270
Yeah, you're abstained.

1195
01:44:17,690 --> 01:44:17,970
You're abstained.

1196
01:44:18,030 --> 01:44:18,770
Well, I'm not going to vote.

1197
01:44:19,090 --> 01:44:20,770
No, but I think you're abstained.

1198
01:44:25,340 --> 01:44:26,540
Okay, so there's been a motion.

1199
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:27,340
It's been seconded.

1200
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:27,880
All in favor?

1201
01:44:28,540 --> 01:44:30,240
Well, this, this is the a roll call vote.

1202
01:44:30,340 --> 01:44:31,540
Just because we had two abstains.

1203
01:44:48,660 --> 01:44:50,540
Rick, are Colpy Ricks?

1204
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:51,180
Yes.

1205
01:44:52,780 --> 01:44:53,620
Nathan Bishop?

1206
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:54,300
Yes.

1207
01:44:55,740 --> 01:44:56,580
Ted DeBee?

1208
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:57,340
It was Stain.

1209
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:59,400
Oh, sorry about that.

1210
01:45:22,830 --> 01:45:23,370
All

1211
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:39,140
right, so looks like our next meeting is scheduled for October 26th. Put that on your calendar.

1212
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,460
And there's no other business than work concluded.

1213
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:52,510
Seriously.

1214
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:57,460
Don't bother me at all.