[0:01] Welcome everyone.
Hello. Thank you for being here and
[0:05] coming to the candidate information
session for the 2026 general local
[0:08] election.
Please note that this session is being
[0:11] recorded and will be made available on
the District of Ucluelet's YouTube
[0:15] channel for anyone who is unable to
attend or would like to review the
[0:18] information after today's session.
My name is Florence Pulsifer and I serve
[0:23] as the deputy chief election officer and
deputy corporate officer for the
[0:26] District of Ucluelet and uh joining me
today we have Ed Caulder the district's
[0:31] chief election officer and corporate
officer, Daria Popova who's our
[0:35] executive assistant and presiding
officer.
[0:38] We are also pleased to welcome Heather
Zenner who's the uh manager of
[0:41] administrative services for the ACRD and
Paula Mason who's the manager of
[0:46] corporate services for the SD70 oh
sorry, ACRD and SD70.
[0:50] Uh Heather and Paula will be joining us
later in the presentation to provide an
[0:54] overview of a few slides um for their uh
respective election processes.
[1:01] So, the purpose of today's session is to
provide prospective candidates with
[1:05] information about the election process,
key requirements, and what to expect if
[1:08] you choose to run for office. We hope
that this will be an interactive session
[1:12] so if you have any questions, please
feel free to ask um raise your hand and
[1:16] yeah, ask them.
Next slide please, Daria.
[1:24] So, candidate eligibility. So, to run
for mayor or council you need to um meet
[1:30] a few requirements so you need to be 18
years of age, a Canadian citizen, a BC
[1:34] resident for 6 months before nomination,
and not disqualified by law for voting
[1:38] in an election in BC, or from being
nominated for, elected to, or holding
[1:43] elected office.
Candidate residency in the jurisdiction
[1:46] is not required.
Next slide please.
[1:51] One of the most important things for
anyone considering running for council
[1:55] is uh understanding the time commitment
involved. Being an elected official is a
[2:01] significant responsib- responsibility
that requires a consistent commitment
[2:05] throughout the year.
Um
[2:07] it does demand time for meetings,
preparation, and community engagement.
[2:11] In a typical year, council members
attend approximately 22 uh regular
[2:15] council meetings, three to four
committee of the whole meetings, three
[2:18] to four harbor authority meetings,
special public meetings and public
[2:22] hearings as needed, council orientation
sessions, budget review and planning
[2:27] sessions, council strategic planning
sessions, local and regional community
[2:31] meetings, um different public
appearances, events, and political
[2:35] events,
and several annual conferences as well.
[2:40] Um
>> [clears throat]
[2:41] » pardon me. However, the commitment
extends beyond attending the meetings
[2:45] and events. Council members are expected
to review agendas and supporting
[2:49] materials beforehand so they can
participate in informed discussions and
[2:53] make thoughtful decisions. So, the
agendas are distributed five days before
[2:57] the council meeting, so that's typically
the Thursday afternoon,
[3:00] and they may be several hundred pages in
length, so reviewing the agenda package
[3:04] in advance helps council members come to
meetings well informed and prepared for
[3:08] discussions, which is very important.
Next slide, please, Daria.
[3:15] Um so, as I mentioned before, council
members are being appointed to
[3:19] committees and they will have to attend
committee meetings.
[3:23] Um I won't go through all the committees
that are that there are. You can see the
[3:27] list on this slide here. Um council
typically determines committee
[3:31] assignments each year. While
appointments are reviewed annually,
[3:34] members often remain on the same commit-
committees throughout their term to
[3:38] build expertise, ensure continuity, and
make their contributions more
[3:42] meaningful.
Next slide, please.
[3:46] So, we're just going to go over a few of
the 2026 general election key dates. So,
[3:51] September 1st until September 11th is a
nomination period.
[3:55] September 11th um is declaration of
candidates day.
[3:59] September 11th, we also have the ballot
draw by lot. So, the order in which
[4:04] candidates names appear on the ballot
will be determined by a random draw
[4:09] conducted by the chief election officer
or the deputy, myself.
[4:13] September 18th, 2026 is the uh close of
withdrawal period. So,
[4:18] um it it at 4:00 p.m. you have the
candidate nomination withdrawal
[4:22] deadline.
So, that's the very last mhm
[4:26] time that anyone who has submitted their
nomination can withdraw.
[4:31] October 7th, 2026 is advanced voting
day. October 17th, 2026 is general
[4:37] voting day.
October 21st, 2026 is the last day to
[4:42] declare the official results.
On November 2nd, 2026 we have a council
[4:46] orientation session with um
a consultant that will come in. November
[4:52] 3rd, 2026 is the inaugural council
meeting.
[4:56] Next slide, please, Daria.
[5:00] So, we're just going to quickly go over
the role of election officials here.
[5:04] Um the chief election officer
administers the election and delegates
[5:08] responsibilities and powers to other
election officials. The deputy chief
[5:11] election officer performs the duties of
the chief election officer when the CEO
[5:16] is absent or unable to act and uh also
exercises delegated authorities. The
[5:22] presiding election official supports the
CEO and DCEO in overseeing the vote and
[5:27] exercises delegated authorities as
assigned as well.
[5:30] And then we have also
several election officials that will be
[5:34] appointed um and they oversee the vote
and exercise delegated authorities. So,
[5:39] as I mentioned at the very beginning of
this session, Ed Chow is the chief
[5:42] election officer, I'm the deputy, and
Daria is the presiding election
[5:46] official.
[5:49] Voters, so we do have two types of
voters, resident electors and
[5:53] non-resident property electors.
So, to be eligible um to be a voter as a
[6:00] resident elector, you need to live in
Ucluelet and meet all the other
[6:03] qualifications. So, be 18 years of age
or older when they register to vote or
[6:07] 18 years of or older on general voting
day. Be a Canadian citizen, have been a
[6:13] resident of BC for at least 6 months
immediately before they register to
[6:17] vote, not be disqualified under the
Local Government Act or any other
[6:21] enactment from voting in local
elections, or be otherwise disqualified
[6:25] by law.
So, non-resident property electors are
[6:28] people who own property in Ucluelet but
live elsewhere and meet all the other
[6:33] qualifications that I just mentioned.
So, the same as the resident electors
[6:36] above.
It's important to note that non-resident
[6:39] property electors cannot vote more than
once in the same jurisdiction.
[6:44] Meaning you can only cast one vote in
Ucluelet regardless of how many
[6:48] properties uh you own there. For
example,
[6:51] if you live in Nanaimo and own one
vacation property in Ucluelet, you may
[6:55] vote once in Nanaimo as a resident
elector and once in Ucluelet as a
[6:59] non-resident property elector.
Um if a property is in Ucluelet is owned
[7:05] by more than one person and none of the
owners live in Ucluelet, only one of the
[7:10] owners can use that property to qualify
as a non-resident property elector. So,
[7:15] the owners of that property will um
have to decide who that person will be
[7:20] and the choice must be supported in
writing by a majority of owners. And um
[7:25] that form needs to be brought at on the
day of voting.
[7:31] Um it's also important to note that a
person cannot vote on behalf of a
[7:35] corporation or as a non-resident
property elector based on a property
[7:39] owned wholly or in part by a
corporation.
[7:44] So, candidates are entitled to have a
copy of the voters list. Candidates are
[7:48] responsible for protecting the personal
information that is on said list, and
[7:54] they are also responsible for ensuring
that any campaign workers provided
[7:57] access to the list are informed of the
permitted uses of the list, understand
[8:03] its confidential nature, track its
provision, access, and distribution.
[8:08] Um you can refer to the candidate
acknowledgement of receipt of floor in
[8:12] the nomination package. Um we have
several copies at the back as well if
[8:15] you haven't grabbed one yet.
[8:19] So, candidates can appoint certain
representatives to assist with the
[8:23] administration of their election
campaign and act on their behalf during
[8:26] parts of the election process.
Candidates can appoint a financial
[8:31] agent. So, the financial agent is
responsible to meet all financial
[8:35] requirements of the local election
campaign financing act. It can also be
[8:39] the candidate themselves or someone that
they appoint, and um that's done through
[8:45] submitting form C4 of the nomination
package to the chief election officer.
[8:52] Um candidates can appoint an official
agent, uh and that official agent can be
[8:59] a person appointed by the candidate to
act on the candidate's behalf during the
[9:02] election process. For example, the
official agent may submit nomination
[9:07] documents on behalf of the candidate.
They may act as the candidate's
[9:11] representative with election officials,
receive communications related to the
[9:14] candidate's nomination or campaign,
attend certain election proceedings on
[9:19] the candidate's behalf when permitted.
Um and that is done through submitting
[9:25] form C5 of the to the chief election
officer.
[9:28] The candidate can also appoint
scrutineers. Um scrutineers will observe
[9:34] the vote and ballot counting during
voting days. Um each candidate may
[9:38] appoint one scrutineer for each ballot
box, and that is done through submitting
[9:42] form C6 to the Chief Election Officer.
Scrutineers must sign this solemn
[9:48] declaration. Next slide, please.
The campaign period the campaign period
[9:54] begins at 12:01 a.m. on September 19th,
2026, and it ends at 4:00 p.m. on
[10:00] October 17th, 2026. The expenses used in
this period are subject to an expense
[10:05] limit and must be reported on the
campaign financing disclosure statement.
[10:10] And um
so we have the numbers here for uh the
[10:14] candidate expense limits for You Kulet.
And if you have any questions, please
[10:18] contact Elections BC directly.
[10:23] Election financing, it's important that
candidates are aware of their campaign
[10:27] responsibilities under the Local
Elections Campaign Financing Act and
[10:31] associated regulations.
Financial agent duties, either once
[10:36] again, either the the candidate
themselves or appointed individual.
[10:39] Um we'll go through them right now. So,
the candidates must open and manage a
[10:43] separate campaign bank account that is
used exclusively for the candidate's
[10:47] election campaign. They must accept and
record all income. They must approve the
[10:53] expenses, and they must file a campaign
financing report with um Elections BC
[10:59] within 90 days after the general
election on October 17th, which brings
[11:03] us to January 15th, 2027.
And they must also find maintain
[11:07] financial records uh in uh British
Columbia.
[11:11] So, um
pardon me. [clears throat] Candidate
[11:14] must retain all financial records for 5
years after the general election.
[11:18] Once again, please see the information
on the Elections BC website.
[11:26] Election advertising. So, election
advertising includes any paid
[11:30] communication to the public including
canvassing so meaning going door-to-door
[11:35] calling visiting businesses to talk
about your campaign face-to-face
[11:39] conversations that promotes or opposes
the election of a candidate or an
[11:43] elector organization during the
pre-campaign period or campaign period.
[11:48] When candidates are conducting election
advertising the message must include
[11:52] sponsorship information that indicates
the ad is authorized by the financial
[11:57] agent includes the name of the financial
agent
[12:01] and provides a BC phone number BC
mailing address or email address where
[12:05] the financial agent can be contacted
about the advertising.
[12:09] Um election advertising must not be just
distributed or transmitted on general
[12:14] voting day. So it
election advertising must not sponsor
[12:20] Sorry, candidates must not sponsor
election advertising saying on general
[12:23] voting day except for certain
activities.
[12:26] So the following activities are
permitted provided they are located more
[12:29] than a 100 m from the voting place which
is Ucluelet Community Centre
[12:33] here.
Um
[12:35] So I'll just go through the list with
you here. We have free social media
[12:38] posts, live person-to-person telephone
calls or emails and text messages on a
[12:43] non-commercial basis online advertising
that was published before general voting
[12:47] day and not changed on general voting
day online advertising with the sole
[12:52] purpose of encouraging voters to go vote
in the election
[12:56] in-person campaigning activities such as
door-to-door canvassing handing out
[13:00] brochures placing election signs or
posters main streeting which means like
[13:04] sign waving
um
[13:06] attending public campaign meetings or or
rallies.
[13:11] Next slide, please.
Election signage so when it comes to the
[13:16] installation and the removal of it it
must not be displayed before September
[13:20] 19th, 2026 and it must be removed by
October 19th, 2026.
[13:26] The 100 m rule is that election signage
must not be placed within 100 m of the
[13:32] Colwood Community Centre during voting
days on October 7th and October 17th.
[13:37] Yes.
[13:45] Yeah, that's a good question.
[13:48] » Uh we will probably provide a mapping
but at at a later time. Yeah.
[13:53] Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[13:55] That's fair.
[13:59] It's just the legal
>> Uh yeah, uh
[14:01] you actually were subject to some fines.
And we
[14:05] probably will have to take them and then
call you to pick them up, but then you
[14:09] may subject to some fine.
[14:13] » Thank you. And so, um you can see the
district sign bylaw number 1060 20 20
[14:20] 2007, pardon me, which is available on
the district website, and there's an
[14:24] excerpt in the nomination package.
And please see the Ministry of
[14:29] Transportation and Transit Policy on
highway rights-of-way for any signage
[14:34] that is on the highway.
[14:39] So, now we will go over a few election
offenses, um as set out in part three,
[14:45] division 18 of the Local Government Act,
and in part seven of the Local Elections
[14:50] Campaign Financing Act. So, here are a
few of the most common ones,
[14:55] um
some more subtle than others.
[14:59] So, vote buying,
accepting an inducement to vote,
[15:03] intimidation,
advertising on general voting day except
[15:07] as permitted under the exceptions out
outlined on slide 13th,
[15:12] um falsely withdrawing a candidate or an
endorsement, so meaning making a false
[15:17] statement that a candidate has withdrawn
from the election or that an endorsement
[15:20] of a candidate has been withdrawn in an
attempt to mislead voters,
[15:25] fraudulent voting,
interfering with ballots or ballot
[15:30] boxes, canvassing advertising within 100
m of a voting place, any other activity
[15:35] contrary to the Local Government Act.
Next slide, please.
[15:41] The municipality will not host an all
candidates meeting. Um if a local group
[15:46] is hosting an all candidates meeting,
they will be in touch with candidates
[15:49] directly.
Next slide, please.
[15:56] For after the election, so um
all candidates must file a campaign
[16:01] disclosure statement with Elections BC
by January 15th, 2027.
[16:06] And then if you're late, penalties with
a will apply.
[16:10] Um the council orientation session will
take place on November 2nd, 2026, and
[16:15] the first council meeting following the
election is on November 3rd, 2026. That
[16:20] is when council members will take their
oath of office at the inaugural council
[16:23] meeting on November 3rd.
I will now turn it over to Heather
[16:29] and
Paula afterwards.
[16:34] » Thank you, Florence.
Um so my name is Heather Zinner. I work
[16:38] for the Alberni-Clayoquot Regional
District. I'm the manager of
[16:41] administrative services, and I'm the
deputy chief Oh, did I press the wrong
[16:45] button?
>> No.
[16:49] » I need to get closer. Okay.
And I am the deputy chief election
[16:52] officer for the upcoming election for
the regional district electoral areas,
[16:57] as well as the school district uh
trustee election.
[17:01] Next slide, please.
So I'll just share a little bit of
[17:05] information about the regional district.
So we were formed in 1966 by the
[17:09] province of BC. We're governed by the
Local Government Act and the Community
[17:14] Charter, and we provide services to our
13 member jurisdictions jurisdictions as
[17:19] shown on the screen. We have six
electoral areas, three municipalities,
[17:23] and four treaty nations.
Next slide, please.
[17:28] So, the composition of the regional
board is made up of 14 directors.
[17:32] So, the six electoral areas are elected.
So, one director for each electoral
[17:37] area.
And uh there are four directors from
[17:40] municipalities. So, the district of
Ucluelet and Ucluelet and Tofino each
[17:44] have one director on our board, and the
city of Port Alberni because they have a
[17:47] larger population, they have two
directors on our board.
[17:51] And each treaty First Nation has four or
each treaty nation has one director on
[17:56] our board.
And the municipalities and treaty
[17:59] nations are all appointed by their
councils.
[18:03] Next slide.
[18:06] So, the uh school board is governed by
the School Act, and the school district
[18:11] has two uh geographic areas. So, the
Alberni Valley and Bamfield is the first
[18:16] area, and they elect six trustees in
that area.
[18:20] And then the West Coast, which includes
the district of Ucluelet, Tofino, and
[18:23] the Long Beach electoral area, they
elect one trustee
[18:27] for a total of seven trustees making up
the school board.
[18:31] Next slide.
Um this map just shows the six electoral
[18:35] areas as well as the treaty First Nation
lands in the regional district.
[18:42] So, the time commitment for the regional
district directors
[18:46] is also significant. Um we have two
board meetings per month, which are
[18:50] scheduled. Uh we hold our board meetings
on Wednesday afternoons.
[18:55] We have uh committee of the whole
meetings are um quarterly, as well as
[19:00] West Coast committee meetings and
electoral area director meetings are
[19:03] also on a quarterly basis.
There are are other committee
[19:06] appointment responsibilities.
Um in addition, there's always public
[19:11] events, uh invitations to community
events, annual conference, and public
[19:15] hearings that require to be facilitated.
All of our meetings are held in a hybrid
[19:20] format. So, we have our meetings in Port
Alberni and directors are also able to
[19:25] attend via Zoom.
[19:29] Next slide. Yeah, the school district
time commitment.
[19:33] So, the monthly meetings include one
public board meeting as well as one in
[19:37] camera board meeting.
There's two standing committees and
[19:41] additionally there may be other special
board or committee meetings scheduled
[19:44] throughout the year.
There are monthly school visits that the
[19:48] trustees will attend.
There are also conference opportunities.
[19:52] Some are intended for all trustees and
some are for specific trustees.
[19:57] And they're all there are other internal
external committee appointments in
[20:00] addition to public appearances, advocacy
work, and invitation to community
[20:05] events.
[20:09] So, nomination packages for the regional
district electoral area directors and
[20:14] school district trustees will be
available on Tuesday, August 18th.
[20:18] They're available Monday through Friday
during regular office hours.
[20:21] They can be picked up at the regional
district office or if you reach out to
[20:25] us, we can send one to you
electronically.
[20:29] As Florence mentioned, the nomination
period is September 1st through 11th. We
[20:34] encourage
potential um
[20:38] folks running running in the election to
reach out to us, set up an appointment
[20:41] so that we can review your nomination
packages, ensure that everything is
[20:45] filled out correctly, and give you time
to adjust if necessary.
[20:51] The campaign period September 19th
through voting day on October 7th.
[20:57] Elections BC sets expense limits as
shown on the screen and more information
[21:02] can be found by
visiting the Elections BC website.
[21:09] So for the voting opportunities in the
regional district on October 7th, we
[21:13] will be here in Ucluelet and Tofino as
well as at the ACRD office for advanced
[21:18] voting.
We have a second advanced voting
[21:20] opportunity on October 14th at the
regional district office in Port
[21:24] Alberni.
Um general voting day is October 17th
[21:28] and we will have multiple voting
locations throughout the regional
[21:31] district. Um those have not yet been
determined and will be determined after
[21:35] the candidate candidates have been
declared.
[21:38] We also offer mail ballots. So anybody
choosing to vote in the regional
[21:42] district or school district trustee
election can request a mail ballot mail
[21:46] ballot by reaching out to our office.
[21:50] And next slide, please.
Uh so after the election, the inaugural
[21:54] board meeting for the regional district
is November 12th and we will start um
[21:59] training in November and continue
through December.
[22:03] The inaugural school board meeting is
November 3rd and November will start
[22:09] their uh trustee orientation.
And I just really appreciate the
[22:15] District of Ucluelet staff for giving us
time to speak tonight, but I will invite
[22:18] Paula Mason up from the school district
to um to speak to the next slide.
[22:29] » Thank you. I just wanted um to introduce
myself quickly. I'm Paula Mason, the
[22:33] manager of corporate services for um
Pacific Rim School District. Um I'm just
[22:38] I would just wanted to note um a couple
of things briefly about the opportunity
[22:42] to run for school trustee in the
upcoming election.
[22:46] Um school trustees play an important
role in public education.
[22:51] As members of the Board of Education,
they help to set the strategic direction
[22:55] of the school district uh and to make
decisions that support the success and
[22:59] well-being of all the students.
Uh you don't need to be an educator to
[23:04] uh, run for trustee.
Uh, boards benefit from people with all
[23:08] different backgrounds, experiences, and
perspectives, and most importantly, a
[23:12] genuine interest in their community and
in public education.
[23:17] Excuse me, I left my glasses in the car
last minute, so I've zoomed in on my
[23:21] notes [laughter] here.
[23:28] If you're even thinking about running
uh, um, to be a school trustee, I would
[23:31] encourage everybody to uh, to seek more
information about it. Um, we've prepared
[23:37] a candidate information guide, which is
a little bit more specific to um, the
[23:41] school district as an organization, um,
and to what's involved in the role. Um,
[23:45] we do have a a different um,
legislation. Uh, we're governed by the
[23:49] School Act as
um, Heather mentioned.
[23:53] Um, and uh, she also reviewed um, what
the time commitments are. The candidate
[23:58] information guide kind of goes into a
little bit more depth about the
[24:00] organization and what can be expected.
Um, it is on our website, um, and if you
[24:06] uh, I do have some paper copies here
with me, as well as the QR code on
[24:11] screen. Uh, feel free to
um,
[24:15] take a uh, shot of that, and it'll bring
you right to the link on our website.
[24:20] Um, if you have any questions, um,
we'll be here for a few minutes after.
[24:24] I'm happy to answer.
Um, and other than that, thank you for
[24:28] considering the opportunity to serve the
students and our future community.
[24:33] Thanks for the time.
>> Thank you, Paula.
[24:35] I'm just going to add a few um,
more pieces of information regarding the
[24:40] nomination packages.
So, the the nomination packages um, will
[24:44] be available for download on the
district website, or for pick up at the
[24:48] district office as of Thank you, Daria.
Um, as of tomorrow morning. And we also
[24:53] have a few hard copies in the back
there. You're more than welcome to grab
[24:57] one. So, candidates may submit their
nomination documents to the chief
[25:00] election officer in person, by mail, or
electronically, so long as the documents
[25:06] are received by the end of the
nomination period, which is 4:00 p.m. on
[25:09] September 11th. So, between September
1st 9:00 a.m. September 11th 4:00 p.m.
[25:13] Candidates are no longer required to
deliver deliver the originals of
[25:17] nomination documents submitted by fax or
email. So, that's new in the legislation
[25:20] as of 2025. So, please note if
submitting the nomination package by
[25:25] email, candidates must make the required
solemn declaration before a commissioner
[25:29] for taking affidavits for BC, so either
a lawyer or a notary.
[25:34] Adam and myself are also commissioners
for taking affidavits in BC as corporate
[25:38] officers. So, you're more than welcome
to book an appointment with either of us
[25:42] during the the nomination period so we
can take care of solemn declaration and
[25:45] sign it.
Um, it's also
[25:49] important to note that candidate
personal information such as personal uh
[25:53] telephone numbers, residential addresses
will be redacted
[25:57] um because some portions of the
nomination package will be made
[26:00] available for public inspection on the
website and um in person.
[26:05] And um
as per the district election and assent
[26:10] voting bylaw, the minimum number of
qualified nominators required to make a
[26:15] nomination for office is two.
And so, that's uh
[26:21] Um and yeah, to nominate a candidate for
local office, a nominate a nominator
[26:25] must be 18 years of age or older or
older, pardon me, be a Canadian citizen,
[26:30] have been a resident of BC for at least
6 months, be a resident in the
[26:33] municipality or electoral area for which
the nomination is being made, or in the
[26:38] case of a non-property resident elector
um owning
[26:44] real estate in the municipality.
And thank you. Adam, did you want to add
[26:50] anything?
>> Yeah, so minimum is two nominator, but
[26:54] we do recommend you get a couple more
because we do
[26:58] want to make sure the nominator actually
is eligible, right? Living within UK.
[27:03] And another is appointment because if
you feel you make appointment, we can go
[27:08] through all the papers. If you need a
missing anything, we can do it the right
[27:11] away rather than wait to the deadline.
Thanks.
[27:18] » Any questions?
Yes.
[27:23] Yes.
[27:34] » You want Yeah, no, we are not allowed.
Yeah, district municipality, we all a
[27:39] neutral party. We
uh
[27:42] uh organize the election meeting, but we
cannot do a all candidate forum because
[27:47] all candidate forum usually is done by a
third party like a chamber of commerce
[27:52] or some other organization, right? Uh
there is a
[27:56] like a
legal implications because municipality
[28:00] cannot show favor toward any candidate.
So, if we are the one organize all
[28:05] candidate forum, some people may attend,
some people may not attend. That will be
[28:10] perceived some sort of a sponsorship,
advertising,
[28:14] uh you know, so we we do not host uh
not only us. Like I'm not aware of any
[28:20] municipality in BC they host all
candidate forum.
[28:29] Oh, that'll be good. That'll good to
know. Yeah.
[28:35] That'll be good.
[28:43] » Any other questions?
[28:47] Okay, well, thank you very much for
attending today's session. We appreciate
[28:51] it and um
>> The slides and the recording will be
[28:55] available on the website.
>> Yeah.
[28:58] Yeah.
>> Thanks for attending. Thank you.