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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Remain, Sam Luke, from Australia.

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So, I work for him.

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You're going to have a dance.

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Your work we think so much is something

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that we can gather, do this.

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You can have the work we just pray.

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The main theme is, it's a school or

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it's also pray that, and what we have on the set of your home,

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here's my book.

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He's been praying.

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Amen.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We'll do this.

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My name is Bob Laugh here.

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I'm from Australia.

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I'm here to explore here.

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I'm in the district building.

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I'm in the district building.

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I'm here to explore here.

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I'm here to explore here in the institution.

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I'm from the United States.

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In the Constitution law, you know, you're going to be going to be here

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and they people, they...

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Oh, this is our community, they're officers.

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They're going to be there for me.

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They're going to be there for me.

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They're the officers.

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the Constitution of the United States, that you will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of North Carolina, and to the Constitution of Hours and the Burties, which are or may be established for the government therea, and that you will endeavor to support maintain and defend the Constitution.

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Good morning, this time we will establish the voting member for permission available.

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Since all seven regular members are here, all seven will be those who vote on any decisions tonight.

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At this time, is there any additions or relations to the agenda?

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Staff, anybody?

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None.

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Ask for a motion to approve the agenda.

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Sir, second.

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Motion to the second.

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Any foes?

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All right.

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We have to prove the minutes for the July 21st meeting.

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They're on the packet.

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Anybody have any questions?

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Do I have a motion?

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Motion to approve?

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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All those in favour say aye?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Okay.

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All right.

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Now we have to move on to the approval of the decision letters

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for the two cases that we heard at our last meeting on July 21st.

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In their first, 226, SCP-02, Sunset Ridge, LLC, Special Use Permit.

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Again those are in our packet.

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Do I have a motion?

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Like a motion to approve.

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Is there a second?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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Motion in second.

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If I ever say aye, aye, any pose?

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No.

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You have, the second one is the 26th of VAR-01, Claude Austin Road Barrier.

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Let's do have a motion.

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Like a motion to approve?

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there's second. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? All right. We're going to

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want to our first action item tonight of a twenty twenty six of VARO two Augustine

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properties variance requests. Let me first before we get there. I want to do my

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little speech that I need to do. So that.

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My name is Darren Green. I am the chairman of the Union County land use board also alongside me tonight. We have Vice Chairman Rick Davis. That's him right there.

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We have Mr. Derek Olson just fine looking to him and down there with a checker shirt.

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We have Doug McClude, the bright orange shirt right here Mr. Drew Mellon that he just solves works where he in and wait a minute.

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Did I didn't get the notice?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I addressed a lot.

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Mr. Mark Tilley.

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Right here.

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Mr. Charles Walker.

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And our alternates Mr. David Brooks at the end down here.

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And Mr. Rick Marshfield down here at this end.

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Also, President tonight, we have Staff John Ware, who is our senior planner and zoning administrator,

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Bjorn Hansen, who is our senior planner.

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Tilley Copes, our board attorney.

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And Mr. Amy Griffin, who is the one who makes sure everything works are clerk.

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and she went like that but she's the only one that's what's going on.

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Tonight we do have a couple of things we're going to be handling tonight.

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One's a variance and the other will be a rezoning request.

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These are totally different things and our attorney will be talking about the variance here in a minute.

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But we look tonight both in our quasi-judicial position as well as our position as we just

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What's it called board of our planning board board we're just we're just giving our opinion to the county commission

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All parties who plan to give testimony. This is for the

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The variance

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Pro work on must complete the green form which is up here available to you

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And you must be sworn in in order to speak on that case a planning staff member will explain while the permit was denied or while the variance is requested

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The board will question the planning staff member, an applicant, the applicant will then have the opportunity to question planning staff and then the applicant will be able to present testimony in case.

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The board may question the applicant and the planning staff member and persons and opposition may also question the applicant.

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The applicant may present sworn witnesses.

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They will be subject to cross examination.

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Other parties wish to speak, pro or con.

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We'll be given reasonable time in order to present sworn testimony.

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They will be subject to cross examination, the planning staff member, and then the applicant

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will be given opportunity for a rebuttal.

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After hearing the case, the board will review the case and render a decision.

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This is usually done following the clothes of the public hearing and the board's deliberation.

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And however, the board does have the opportunity we'd like to take it for 30 minutes.

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Today's to render a decision. You may remain present during deliberations, but once the hearing is closed, there will be no more testimony presenting. You may call the Union County Planning Department after the session to receive the decision of the board. All exhibits must remain with the board. Please hand them to our clerk and Mr. Griffin for tagging. If you feel there's a conflict of interest of any member of our board or any association that would prejudices your case, please let it be known at the start of your case. I will give you that opportunity in a minute.

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We are a quasi-digit board for this matter and can only accept sworn testimony.

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No hearsay evidence is admissible.

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Appeal of the decision of a variant is to the Union County Superior Court.

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You have 30 days from the date in which the board's written decision in order to appeal

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in accordance with North Carolina General Staffs U.

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1, 6, 0, d, dash, 1, 4, 0, 2.

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I remind everyone to please turn off your cell phones.

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If you have a picture, please see me later and we'll talk about your retirement plans.

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Quorum is, we do have at least four members so we have a quorum.

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And I believe that's all I need to say about that.

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Our attorney, Ms. Koch, would like to remind the board.

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We don't see a lot of variances, but we have recently, but she's going to give us some point

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her syndrome, and remind us what we're supposed to do tonight.

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Thank you. I know we did have a variance last month, but I think it's especially important tonight to remind you of what a variance is and you're operating in your quasi judicial capacity as opposed to your legislative capacity, which is worth of reasoning is.

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So through your quasi judicial hearing tonight, you will hear evidence, you will determine facts and you will make a decision if the applicant has met their burden of proving those five standards that you will go over.

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by statute that they're required to meet.

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So that's what we're looking at tonight.

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This is different than a rezoning,

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which we have a public hearing.

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Citizens come in and express their opinion about a rezoning

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and then you make a recommendation

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to the Board of County Commissioners.

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So tonight is different, at least for this variance

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if they more formal evidence adhering

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excuse me, as I said, you're looking for the applicant to prove those five standards to you

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unnecessary hardship that's required for a variance.

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So the reason that's particularly important tonight, the applicant and his property

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was before you previously this year for a resuming.

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So you need to take off that hat and put on, just understand it's a different function

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tonight as what you previously heard, the applicant presenting.

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So this is a, again, quasi-judicial hearing.

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You're looking for a competence of substantial evidence to prove

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as five standards to you in order to grant that variance.

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The applicant was before the board of leave of February of this year

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on that reasoning.

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Obviously, you only have one board.

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So I do need to make sure that the fact that you have heard

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previous, not evidence, but opinions about that

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And did make recommendation that that nobody feels that they are biased in any way or can't make an impartial decision tonight based on the fact that they've heard prior information related to this particular property.

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So if anyone feels that they can't make a listen to the evidence and make an biased decision, please let me know right now.

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Also, a special function of quasi-judicial hearings is that the parties have a right for any

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exportate communication to be disclosed prior to the hearing.

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So, I want to check in with all of you and see if there's been any exportate communication

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with the applicant with Ms. Mary Clark or anybody else related to this property.

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I'm a Sarah Walker, if I don't want to single you out, but at the rezoning hearing,

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You had mentioned in the hearing that you had stoked in with Ms. Clark.

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Is that correct? Can you tell us just a little bit about the substance of that conversation?

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She never stepped in before the meeting and couldn't wait for the time to come in.

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She was coming to it.

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But she immediately said she was an entire distress because there was something that just happened.

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And when we talked about what she told me was, she was there by her side.

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She wanted somebody to build a house on that property.

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And that's what I'm sure we're going to go forward.

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And I think.

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If we were to win your liberty and justice,

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and we could consider her primary interest in this property.

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Did you think about your conversation with her, give you any sort of frequency notion that is not, or a fixed opinion about this variance that's not susceptible to change?

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It's getting towards the bias, the fact that you've had a conversation with her and discussed previously the property that give you a fixed opinion about the outcome of today, essentially that you believe it should be granted, you know, no matter what the words, okay.

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That's a successful change based on evidence you hear tonight.

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Have you had any conversations with Ms. Clark after that about this variance?

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Have you spoken with anyone else regarding the property about this variance?

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No.

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Do you think they are stupid?

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Some of them

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are making sure they do.

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They have tried to talk to staff and make sure they do what they could do in terms of the freedom.

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A field of the decision of this for tonight?

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No.

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The field of the commissioners.

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Of the rezoning decision.

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there's any discussion if any board member has an objection to Mr. Wuffup's hearing.

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Well, we'll talk about meeting that we're having tonight, and the fact that you've had conversation and

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directed the real estate company on what steps to take.

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That's not a good place to be in in your heart tonight on this board.

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Just to make sure, I understood what options they have.

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Yeah, but that's not our business.

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We're a board to make decisions about what we hear in the evidence before us.

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It's not our place to interact in how they conduct their business.

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They're a real estate company out of Charlotte.

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They have attorneys.

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My basic consideration is necessary to get justice.

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Well, in my opinion, your mind has been made up.

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And I'm not going to say it's hard, son of a bad spot.

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I'm just saying he minds made it.

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I think it would be beneficial to have a vote as to whether...

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Do we need to do that now or do we need to wait till our ask if they're saying?

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I'm sorry.

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Do we need to do that now or do I need to wait until I swear in the planning member

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and ask if there's a conflict?

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I would do it now.

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Do it now?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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If there's any concern about any member at this time, please let it be known and we'll need

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a motion to either, I guess, suspend that member for this case.

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I

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think Trump's not

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personally, I would say that you should have a vote.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Well, I guess we're going to need a motion in that case.

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So, we're almost making motion to exclude.

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How would we say that to exclude him or to remove him from this?

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Well, how do I word that?

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How do we need to word the motion?

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How do we make a motion to recuse?

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Recuse?

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Okay, so we're a motion.

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I like the motion that we ask Charles to recuse himself based on the information he's given

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publicly to this board tonight about his prior interactions with this subject.

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That's what your motion wants to be on.

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That kind of puts it on.

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I'm Mr. Walkup to recuse himself or not to the board in your capacity can vote for him not to.

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Okay, then I'll make the motion that Mr. Walkup.

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not participate in this variance, meeting tonight.

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Okay, do I have any other discussion,

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all of those in favour say aye, any opposed?

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Okay. Mr. Work, what do we need now? Does he need to have to leave the diocese?

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You don't have to come down from the diocese?

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You can come back for the next hearing. Yes.

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This time, Mr. Brooks, you are the next up member to take the seat as an alternate.

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So you'll be voting on this matter.

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All right, this time we do have a variance,

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petition number 2, 0, 2, 6, V, A, R, 0, 2.

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This is location at 38, 10, Richardson, road.

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Tax partial number is 0, 4, dash, 1, 9, 8, dash, 0, 1, 4, A.

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There you are, Mr. John.

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Is the petition complete?

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Yes. Again, we'll ask again, as anyone have a conflict with this hearing none. I asked for a motion to hear the petition.

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Is there a second?

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All right.

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I need to swear you answer.

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I'm going to get back to that page.

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Do you swear to tell a truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, in the matter of hand?

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All right, so please, please, please, this matter.

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All right, this is 2026 variants O2, Augustine Properties, 3810, Richardson Road.

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I'm entering into Evidence, the Union County Development Order,

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boardenance, the Agenda Packet, the Site Plan, which is in the Agenda Packet,

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and the applicant provided a packet that I passed out to you a little bit ago.

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That'll be entered in as well.

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The applicant Augustine Properties is requesting a variance from the lot in building regulations

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more specifically shown in table 5 to our district lot in building regulations for

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conventional development of the Union County Development Ornits. They're seeking relief of

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21,702 square foot from the lot size requirements of 40,000 square foot. And I kind of showed

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my math down here because in a little bit you'll see the survey and I just want to make sure

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where we're sighting the correct numbers as far as how much the relief is.

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So the 21,781 square foot total, there's 3,843 square foot in the right of way, which leaves

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18,298 square feet. So that's where that 21,702 comes from.

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Again, the property is located at

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3810 Richardson Road, and more specifically identified by a parcel number 0, 4, 1, 9, 8, 0, 1, 4, A.

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The owner is Augustine Properties, the applicant or agent for Augustine Properties is Christopher

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Dugan, and the property is owned RAA-40, residential agricultural, which requires a 40,000 square

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foot minimum requirement.

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The parcel is located on the west side of Richardson Road, south of Griffith Road, has

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in zone RA 40 since Zoning was initiated.

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The parcel was created by deed and does not meet the lot requirements of RA 40.

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District and would not be able to be utilized for single family residential without a variance.

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There's previously manufactured home on site that was placed in the property in 2006 and removed some time in 2013.

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The lot does have an existing septic and well permit approved by Union County Environmental Health so that it will accommodate a home if it can meet the setbacks.

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The property wasn't originally approved through a sub division process, as it didn't go through our office to be approved as a sub division, so that this will require a sub division submittal to make it a bill of a lot, so that will be possible once this variance is passed and approved.

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Proge uses a single family residence on a single family tract of land which is consistent with the current use of many of their adjacent properties.

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This is the physical survey of the property, and this is the numbers that I was citing earlier.

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You can see it's about half an acre.

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It's 21,731 square feet, but our ordinance doesn't allow for the right away to be counted within a lot,

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so that 3483 square foot in the right away was attracted.

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These are the existing conditions on the lot, so the top left hand is the lot itself.

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The top right is north of the site, looking down to Richardson Road, south of the site, looking down Richardson Road and the bottom left, and then opposite the site on the bottom right.

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There is currently not a structure on the property. There is a house next door that is the house that is sitting on a larger

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lot, that surrounds this lot, that is the allot that this was needed from, and the original owner before it was sold to Augustine properties.

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There is also open space around farmland and residential. There are some manufactured home parks to the north and to the south of the property down

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on Richardson Road.

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For environmental features, there are no wetlands or streams on the property.

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There is a stream that runs around the edge of the original property.

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The zoning is RA40.

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You can see it's surrounded by RA40 to the south, down the road a bit, is the RA zoning

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district that was the district that used to use to allow for manufactured home parks and

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to the north as well.

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I have one question.

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Back to that picture, that lot for the house is on.

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And I see in that correct, does that road split that lot up and is a little trying or

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right there where you got that on the other side that road?

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Yeah, sometimes you'll get left over from subdivision, I mean, from a lot of road coming

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through an existing parcel years and years ago, I don't know that that part is part of

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parcel though. I don't believe it is. Okay, it's just shows where it was. I guess. Yeah, that's

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a sub-rimnet left over from something else. Okay.

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Transportation laws, the average daily trip,

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is 500,

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and Lane use map shows this as future rural residential.

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This is the new site plan that

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they've provided showing a proposed house on the lot where the septic tanks are going to go

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and the lot lay out itself with the proposed or the, it doesn't meet setback requirements.

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Staff does not give it a recommendation in the case of the variance, so there is no staff recommendation.

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And of course you'll need to have your findings, inclusions required for approval, which is listed here.

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Do you have any questions for me?

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It

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looks like it's surrounded by other pieces of land, what would have happened if you said,

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now it looks under that around in the late 40,000 copies?

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So I think the issue with that, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, is that she, the owner of that property, has a reverse mortgage.

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So they don't have the ability to sell anymore.

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Any questions?

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So this would be the only path to make this lot develop, yes?

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Anything else?

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All right.

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Thank you, sir.

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This time I'd call Mr. Dugin and

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I have to swear you didn't even know your law or I think.

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We thought about that.

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Okay.

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You're not given it, it's it.

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Oh, that's my, in the past we've had issues and they always tell me,

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so I will listen to what she says.

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So we do have attorneys that come in that do want to provide evidence,

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but it sounds like, and Stugging will be just forecasting evidence.

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Okay.

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If there's something he forecasted.

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I'm good with that.

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I'm in to evidence, then you don't consider it.

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So it sounds like he is purely advocating for his clients here.

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As long as you don't give it to him.

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I have a capacity.

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All right.

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So I will need your.

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I'll need your clients to come in and be sworn in then.

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All right.

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We'll be both at the same time.

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Left hand and raise your right.

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All right.

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I'm sorry.

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You swear to the tell the truth, the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth, and the matter at hand.

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All right. Thank you.

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And we will, I guess Mr. Dagan, you know,

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is going to introduce it or hear?

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Yes sir, if I may.

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May a police aboard Chairman Green, Vice Chair Davis, members of the board, staff, council.

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Yes, sir.

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My name is Chris Dougan.

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I'm an attorney here in town, right up the road here.

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I represent Augustine properties in this variance application.

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I believe that the evidence in this matter is going to show.

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I had all my papers and be helpful.

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It's going to show that this strict adherence to the ordinance is going to create an undo hardship on the property.

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The evidence will further show that the hardship is unique to this parcel of property, and that the hardship relates to conditions peculiar to this subject of the property.

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The hardship is not the rest of the actions taken by the applicant, subject to the property.

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by granting the variance the spirit of this ordinance will be observed.

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And we've written 10 to present evidence to you tonight to reach the threshold by providing this board,

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evidence of substantial proof that a variance is requested and is appropriate for this property.

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I'd ask Mr. McCouch, McCouch, please come on up if you would, please.

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If you could have state your name, please?

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Edward John McCouch, but I go my tag.

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Mr. McCouch, do you mind if I call you tag tonight?

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Please, thank you.

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What is your relationship to the applicant, Augustine Properties?

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We are a business partners.

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And how long have you been business partners since December of 2019?

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And is Augustine properties a subsidiary of another company?

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What is that?

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Team properties.

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And is that the same individuals that are a part of Augustine properties are a part of team properties?

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And you work with Augustine properties to purchase property.

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Yes.

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is who is Amy Augustine?

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She's my business partner.

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And what is your relationship to work?

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Here's this partner.

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That's since December 2019.

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Do you work with Ms. Augustine to purchase property and specifically worked with Augustine

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properties to purchase this property for which you are here today?

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And the property is located at 3810 Richardson Road and Monroe is that right, correct.

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00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:19,890
And this property was purchased in what year.

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I believe it was June of last year, okay.

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So June of 2025, I'm going to show you what I'm marking as exhibit one, applicants exhibit

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one for the rocker.

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Can you tell me what this document is?

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This is a general warranty deed, okay.

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And that general warranty deed is dated what they reported June 13th of May 25th.

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And that deed is a transfer of the subject property at 3810 Richston Road current.

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And who transferred that property to Augustine properties?

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Mary E. Clark.

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I'd like to refer you to page two if you could, and it's a front and back, and each one

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of you has it in your packet there.

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Yep.

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You're going to see here at the first paragraph of page 2, it has a date or has a description

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of the specific piece of property at 38 times, which is in road.

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And that property is described by way of a survey, dated one.

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They did January 24th, okay?

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Is it your understanding or belief that the property

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was parceled out from a larger parcel property

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Inter about that time?

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That is correct, yes.

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Did you have anything to do with the parceling off of that property?

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And do you know whose larger property it was parceled

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off from?

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Mary E. Clark.

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Okay.

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In Ms. Clark's here today?

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She is.

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I'd like to, and this is a true and accurate copy

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of the deed that was filed with the Union County Register of D to the correct correct.

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I'd like to move to exhibit one of the evidence.

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Now, sir,

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the property, when you were looking at this piece of property, did you perform

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any due diligence when looking at this property?

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What did you do?

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What type of due diligence?

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I would need a few things.

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First, the foremost, what I always do is I called planning and zoning department and asked

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would allow we use what setback requirements are. Also, we learned that there was an existing

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septic on site, so we had the septic system expected and found out that it wasn't needed

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some repairs. So, didn't include that once we moved forward after that, and did therefore pursue

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a septic repair and if I can just take it one step at a time, the

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Property, at the time, you purchased the property, was there a mobile home on the parcel?

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It was not. Do you know, and we've heard from staff tonight that the mobile home was removed

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in or around 2013, do you have any information when we were the other exactly when that home was taken off?

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I don't, so I have to go for that.

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00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:26,320
Other than contacting Union County Planning, what else did you do?

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That was the extent of between that and then having the septic inspecting.

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You'd perform some other due diligence on the properties.

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All right.

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Aside from just counting and zoning and asking the level uses the septic,

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then just the septic component.

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And that's component after you purchased the property.

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Did you apply for a septic permit?

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We did.

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I'm going to show you what I'm marking as exhibit 2.

439
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He's telling you what this document is.

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This is actually the well permit.

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We have also a subject repair.

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I'm sorry.

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00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,440
All right.

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Exhibit 2 is a subject repair permit for the property is that correct?

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Yes.

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And on the back side of the show where the drainage field is on the property.

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And after you purchase the property you obtain this permit, is that correct?

448
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:26,580
Correct.

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How many bedrooms would this septic provide for?

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Two beds.

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So you apply and receive the septic permit.

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This is a true and accurate copy of that permit.

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Is that correct?

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00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,040
Yes, it is correct.

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I'd like to move exhibit two and the evidence.

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00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:43,900
Did you also apply for a well permit?

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00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:44,620
We did.

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I'm going to show you what I'm marking as exhibit three for identification.

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00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:49,960
Excuse me, do you have a question?

460
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:50,700
Yes, sir.

461
00:51:50,700 --> 00:52:01,700
It says here that the property was originally approved through the subdivision process and will require a subsequent subdivision to make it available off.

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00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:06,000
Mr. President, may I suppose were you aware of this when you bought this law?

463
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,240
No, it was not. Related to me now.

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Did you check into?

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When I called the planning and zoning, I asked what allow me to use this word, and could we build on it?

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And I was told, yes, because it was grandfathered in.

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00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:27,360
So you were told by the planning board that it was acceptable to build on according to your recommendation?

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Not the board, it was individual that I spoke to within the planning and zoning department.

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Do you remember that individual?

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00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:35,820
I don't.

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That kind of raises a question.

472
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:42,980
Okay, thank you, go ahead.

473
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:43,580
Sure.

474
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,820
So, you also applied for a well-permanent is that right?

475
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:49,540
Correct.

476
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,020
I'm going to show you what I've marked as exhibit three.

477
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,520
What is that document?

478
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:58,140
This is the well-permanent.

479
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,940
And does that a true and accurate copy of that well-permanent?

480
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:02,780
Yes.

481
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:03,540
I don't know.

482
00:53:04,020 --> 00:53:04,560
Yes, sir.

483
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:07,980
When you're talking about the well-permanent and the safety permit,

484
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:17,600
What information or papers did you use to be able to get this permit for the set to tank

485
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,520
in for the way of the Jesus going to talk to him or how are you able to obtain this or

486
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,090
to use legal documents for the need to ask for this?

487
00:53:28,810 --> 00:53:29,830
I'm not sure if we understand the question.

488
00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:31,310
How do we go about pursuing him?

489
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:37,710
Yes, well, what information or what papers or what legal papers would you use to go into the

490
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:41,510
So the Department did upset the permit and the web.

491
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:45,650
We actually used Eagle Engineering and they submitted the permit on our behalf.

492
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:53,650
Was there a survey done by Eagle Engineering for the property order to determine where to place the subject drainage field?

493
00:53:53,810 --> 00:53:57,050
That was done by a different organization to the survey was conducted, yes.

494
00:53:57,830 --> 00:54:03,290
And then you also submitted that as part of exhibit 2 on page 2 of exhibit 2, which is on the fact side.

495
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:08,970
that survey for the approximate drainage field, that was submitted as part of the application.

496
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:16,050
So are you saying that Eagle Engineering gave you the paperwork to be able to access these permits?

497
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:18,750
No, they submitted them on our behalf.

498
00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:20,610
Well, that's submitted them.

499
00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:25,290
Okay, nothing was mentioned to you then about the lot size.

500
00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:27,730
That's it.

501
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:33,590
I have one question for you, I will go any further just to satisfy something in my brain.

502
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:35,710
You're a relative, a relative company.

503
00:54:36,110 --> 00:54:40,990
Do you, have you ever done any business in Union County or any other county in North Carolina?

504
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:41,870
Yes, sir.

505
00:54:41,970 --> 00:54:45,690
We have, which I do want to be clear, we're a real estate investment company here.

506
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:53,210
Okay, but are you not aware of the rules of zoning for the North Carolina and the Union County

507
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:57,130
as to what the requirement is to build peace of house?

508
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:59,970
That is why I call it a clarification because

509
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:13,380
So now somebody that you don't know who was told you that you could, but now that, and then we're here, correct?

510
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:20,740
correct? Okay. Yes. I just don't quite understand with an

511
00:55:20,740 --> 00:55:24,600
more legal paperwork that was shown how you were able to get a well

512
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,920
permit and a set permit. Was there a well pre-existing on the property? Not a

513
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,240
well just a set. Okay. There was a septic on the property, correct? And that

514
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,100
septic had to be repaired in order to construct a home. Correct.

515
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,360
Because the

516
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,240
on file with union counties, that right is correct.

517
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,320
And that's such a system after inspection need to be repaired.

518
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:50,060
Yes.

519
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:56,620
On the safety permit, or the safety permit, there was only five, where the legal

520
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:02,620
paperwork were yet, but what we're reading here is that the normal home was put on this

521
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:06,840
property, and it was illegal when it was put in a start-way.

522
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,960
So now back in question, how did the safety take come about when the property did

523
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,200
the requirements to put a mobile home unit is that kind of a, this great part of the thing

524
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:26,010
is really bothering me because if there's not documentation, probably the land is forward

525
00:56:26,010 --> 00:56:31,350
or whatever, giving them the authority to put the mobile home unit. It's not making sense.

526
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:34,950
Maybe I'm just not following the information that I'm hearing.

527
00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:42,670
Well, there was a septic on the property that septic need to be repaired.

528
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:49,530
But I'm just trying to figure out if the mobile home, according to some of the reason we're

529
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:55,650
here, the properly wasn't originally approved through the subdivision process, how will

530
00:56:55,650 --> 00:57:00,510
they have a lost in this on the surface of the safety tank on.

531
00:57:00,610 --> 00:57:05,830
And I know it was there, but there have been some mistakes in the past with the environmental

532
00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:19,390
And in the past there's been some issues with the land use board on board of adjustment or whatever on how the mobile homeless put there and just because the mobile homeless put there it just makes everything legal

533
00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:24,790
I'm not understanding now how it automatically makes it legal to go back in and build a household

534
00:57:24,790 --> 00:57:33,530
Well, and I don't necessarily I'm not certain if I can argue at the point, but

535
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:46,550
So, what happened with Union County Environmental Health to approve that septic tank, that's not a part of his process, he was just going to repair the septic tank.

536
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:55,830
So, we acknowledge that the property should not have been parceled off the way it was.

537
00:57:55,830 --> 00:58:11,930
The attorney and I'm not going to throw any attorneys under, but whoever parceled out that parcel of property at the time the deed was filed should have gone to planning to get a minor subdivision or whatever for that parcel of property.

538
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:18,390
So for whatever reason that wasn't done, attorneys can all day long go and draft up deeds

539
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:25,990
for parts of property, go to the register of deeds office, clock in that document that

540
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:31,250
was drafted, and that parcel then has a different tax number, because tax will pick it up

541
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:33,390
from them, register of deeds.

542
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:39,790
Just whether the communication between the departments goes and catches it before approvals

543
00:58:39,790 --> 00:58:44,890
or, you know, something is done, I think what would have had happened or what would have had

544
00:58:44,890 --> 00:58:51,130
to happen is there should have been a code violation of some type issued for the property,

545
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:59,970
back in when it was partialed off in 2004 for a, you know, just a violation that says,

546
00:59:00,130 --> 00:59:01,450
okay, you've got to go fix this.

547
00:59:02,010 --> 00:59:07,610
Okay, what you're saying that you admit that it wasn't right then, the census there is automatically

548
00:59:07,610 --> 00:59:13,350
right now. It's kind of what I'm here to know. We're not saying that it's automatically right,

549
00:59:13,390 --> 00:59:18,850
but now we have an existing parcel of property that has been existing in being paying taxes

550
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:25,210
since at least about 2004, 2005, then paying taxes on this property is a separate parcel.

551
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:34,730
And I can certainly argue it now or I can go into a little later. Let me just pull up my sheet here.

552
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:37,010
Well, while you're looking for that, I got a question.

553
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:37,650
Yes, sir?

554
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:41,990
Did you say that there wasn't a whale on it?

555
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:43,450
No, there is no whale.

556
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:50,230
OK, so you bought a piece of property that was not a stand-alone piece of property

557
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:51,710
for a home when you bought it.

558
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:55,250
It had a septic tank on it, but not a whale, wasn't that a red flag?

559
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:59,830
Because obviously, he'd ever who had the mobile home,

560
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,740
I was having to share the water with some more else if they had water in it.

561
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:11,880
Right. Could have been just. Okay, but I mean, I don't know. I mean, it just looks may like a real estate person.

562
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:18,700
That had been a red flag that you was buying a fixed property that wasn't a stand-alone fixed property in the beginning.

563
01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:24,300
I have never encountered where something has a physical address.

564
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:37,260
Well, I mean, you do know in order to have a working home that you have a safety plate or a place for your sewer to go and an input of fresh water in order for your home to function properly, right?

565
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:42,510
Okay.

566
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:42,870
Good afternoon.

567
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:45,850
It was sourced from Mary was providing water.

568
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:46,510
Okay.

569
01:00:46,690 --> 01:00:56,230
But what I'm trying to get at is that piece of property that you're saying, basically, needs to be grandfathered in,

570
01:00:56,230 --> 01:01:03,450
was never ever a function in peace of legal property for a home to begin with because it had

571
01:01:03,450 --> 01:01:07,790
to have a water from another source, not on that peace of property.

572
01:01:09,730 --> 01:01:10,190
I agree with you.

573
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:12,670
You're saying that didn't raise any red flags from me.

574
01:01:12,910 --> 01:01:13,210
Wow.

575
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:20,730
Seems to be the one that seems to be more of a similar requirement needed in the water source was provided.

576
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:29,950
And, and may I just direct this board to its required findings under 80.12

577
01:01:32,090 --> 01:01:35,350
.12D.

578
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:44,370
Point one to h. Finding number four, the hardship is not a result of the actions taken by the applicant.

579
01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:50,850
The applicant didn't take the actions to subdivide this property that was taken by somebody else.

580
01:01:50,850 --> 01:01:57,090
Okay, but wait a minute. Now, since she read that, would it not be the applicant's responsibility

581
01:01:57,090 --> 01:02:02,050
to make sure what they bought, didn't have the problem to begin with? If I buy somebody's

582
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:07,050
problem and I know there's a problem, I automatically get forgiveness for that because I was

583
01:02:07,050 --> 01:02:12,930
not right. I have a quick question. And I'll come back to you in a moment and I'll read you the

584
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:17,090
rest of that. I'm sure you, you, you, you testify that you do understand zoning.

585
01:02:18,990 --> 01:02:24,530
And in Union County, R40 means 40,000.

586
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:24,890
It's great.

587
01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:33,970
If I could say if you could on this exhibit one, page two, this is the deed.

588
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:39,510
Page two under property one, our property, I guess it's that a one or an eye

589
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:40,310
I don't know, whatever.

590
01:02:41,050 --> 01:02:44,150
So do you read the last two sentences of

591
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:51,580
that paragraph property one?

592
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:53,360
Can we start after the beginning point?

593
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:54,280
Uh, you can.

594
01:02:54,460 --> 01:02:56,220
If you want to read the whole thing, that's fine.

595
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,660
I just need you to read the last two sentences.

596
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,460
I believe that's what I mean.

597
01:03:00,660 --> 01:03:00,800
No.

598
01:03:01,060 --> 01:03:02,080
Right here.

599
01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:02,900
You're getting right here.

600
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:03,400
And.

601
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:04,780
Where's that's containing?

602
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,500
And contained.

603
01:03:06,940 --> 01:03:07,140
Okay.

604
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:12,540
Uh, beginning point and containing point five acres as shown on unrecorded

605
01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:13,400
plot.

606
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:16,300
Uh, therefore, are there of by Carol L.

607
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,800
Russian registered surveyer dated January 20th, 2004.

608
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,780
So he purchased this property and I don't need to read that.

609
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:24,760
It clearly says 0.5 acres.

610
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,360
Can you build anything on 0.5 acres if it's owned or for?

611
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,240
If something is grandfathered in which we have encountered in the middle of the house,

612
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,200
do you have evidence that it was grandfathered in?

613
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:38,600
Just what I was told.

614
01:03:39,020 --> 01:03:40,320
Okay, you don't know who told you that.

615
01:03:40,380 --> 01:03:40,900
I don't.

616
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:46,420
And may I just read the rest of that paragraph as part of the required structure?

617
01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:46,580
Sure.

618
01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:46,780
Absolutely.

619
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:52,540
So the hardship is not the result of the action taken by the applicant or the subject of property owner.

620
01:03:53,240 --> 01:04:04,180
Although the act of purchasing the property knowing that a variance may be needed or required does not constitute a self-created hardship.

621
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:12,580
So the ordinance is clear. You can buy a piece of property knowing that you might need to get a variance on it, and that's okay.

622
01:04:12,580 --> 01:04:17,020
That's what the ordinance says. You're allowed to do that, and it should not be held against the applicant.

623
01:04:18,140 --> 01:04:22,480
So in this case here, it wasn't created by the applicant.

624
01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:31,420
There's a parcel of property there that's now parceled off has no viable use to it, as we heard from staff,

625
01:04:32,220 --> 01:04:39,900
that the only way forward to put a parcel or a home or anything onto this property is through a variance.

626
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:41,980
And that's why we're here today.

627
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,160
So if I make, when you apply for the building permits,

628
01:04:48,140 --> 01:04:50,700
did you apply for a building permit for the property?

629
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,840
Our building company submitted our behalf.

630
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:54,520
Okay.

631
01:04:55,220 --> 01:04:57,100
I'm going to show you what I'm marking is.

632
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:57,980
Exhibit four.

633
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,860
And is this a copy of the building permit application?

634
01:05:10,460 --> 01:05:16,140
And when you submitted for that building permit application, what were you told?

635
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:23,260
It was declined. And it was declined because it didn't meet the size requirements, size requirements.

636
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:34,300
Is that the first time that you were given notice by the county, according to your sworn testimony, is that the first time you're given notice by the county, that you would not be able to develop this property?

637
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:43,530
Yes, and is this a true and accurate copy of the building permit that you submitted to the county?

638
01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:45,500
Yes, it is.

639
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,900
I'd ask the semantics that it foreign to others.

640
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:50,580
Now.

641
01:05:53,610 --> 01:05:56,110
If I could have a description, you have that correct.

642
01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:59,210
I believe that's the full right that there's four.

643
01:05:59,550 --> 01:06:00,650
You submitted four, right?

644
01:06:00,730 --> 01:06:00,950
Yes.

645
01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:01,390
Yes, sir.

646
01:06:01,390 --> 01:06:02,630
Make sure she has it for tagging.

647
01:06:02,910 --> 01:06:04,250
Yes, I've got it.

648
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:07,670
And I'm Markham here and I'll get for the exact number of Markham.

649
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:08,990
Thank you, sir.

650
01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:09,710
Thank you, sir.

651
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:20,040
So, this parcel was parceled out of a larger property next door as a correct correct.

652
01:06:21,590 --> 01:06:27,260
When you ran into this problem, did you try to find some solutions to this problem?

653
01:06:27,860 --> 01:06:28,640
Anything possible?

654
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:35,680
Certainly, the first thought was can we possibly obtain any more land surrounding, which

655
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,980
It's been shared, Ms. Mary Clark, unfortunately, can't.

656
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:40,540
And that is being completely horseshoe again.

657
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:43,340
So now you've been asked about buying land across the street.

658
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:44,340
Can that be combined?

659
01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:45,620
And I was told, no, it can't.

660
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,860
That's being one continuous parcel.

661
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,220
So we exhausted all, known having this possible.

662
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,740
Did you also file a zoning application?

663
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:55,540
We did.

664
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:56,700
Now, a rezoning application.

665
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,720
And that rezoning application was before the land use board.

666
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,660
on February 24th, 2026, is that right?

667
01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:08,740
And that vote of the land use board

668
01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:13,160
asked to take judicial notice of the minutes

669
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,680
of the board that was approved for a rezoning

670
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:16,940
as I correct at that time?

671
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:17,660
That is correct.

672
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,120
And when it went to the County Commission Commission,

673
01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:23,920
that rezoning was denied, is that correct?

674
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,000
So you're left at the piece of property

675
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,000
that you can't buy any other additional property

676
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,240
to combine into this, is that right? Correct. And apparently there's no appetite for a

677
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:40,000
rezoning of this properties, that correct? Apparently so, it's correct. What would be

678
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,040
the use of this property at this point? Absolutely zero.

679
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:49,480
And Ms. Clark is here tonight, is

680
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,960
that right? Yes. And I'll have Ms. Clark come up and talk.

681
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:02,040
Have you decided what kind

682
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,140
You want to put on the property?

683
01:08:04,460 --> 01:08:09,460
The call is a site built, so stick belt, two bedroom.

684
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:14,840
I'm going to mark, exhibit five, I could.

685
01:08:15,860 --> 01:08:18,260
He told me what this is.

686
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,060
This is the, the build model.

687
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:23,620
So it's called the Columbus.

688
01:08:24,580 --> 01:08:33,920
15, 11 square feet, with covered porters 120 to the 1431, two bedroom, two bath.

689
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:37,540
That from page shows three bedrooms, is that right?

690
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,160
That is correct.

691
01:08:38,340 --> 01:08:40,960
There's a second page to exhibit five as a craft?

692
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:41,500
Yes.

693
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,260
And that exhibit five shows two bedrooms as a craft?

694
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:44,980
That is correct.

695
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:48,340
What is the septic size allow for on that property?

696
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:49,080
Two bedrooms.

697
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:53,020
And you would have to have an inspection done in order to have a approval

698
01:08:53,020 --> 01:08:55,560
for a stick of occupancy, is that correct?

699
01:08:55,980 --> 01:08:56,220
Yes, correct.

700
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,220
If the variance is granted, is that correct?

701
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:58,980
Yes, correct.

702
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:04,360
Is that a true inaccurate example of what you intended

703
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:05,620
build on that home?

704
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:07,260
That is, yes.

705
01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:09,820
And you're offering this for demonstrative purposes.

706
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:10,800
Is that correct?

707
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,060
And offer exhibit five into the other and says,

708
01:09:14,460 --> 01:09:14,640
demonstrative.

709
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:20,160
Now we've heard some conversations regarding the site plan

710
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,660
of the property, and I can pull this back up.

711
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:24,800
I figured out how to build backwards.

712
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:31,750
That's the yellow cyclone.

713
01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:39,400
And this is a copy of the new cyclone as that correct.

714
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:44,000
And I'm going to show you when I'm marking as exhibit six,

715
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:48,080
as I had a true inaccurate copy of the cyclone,

716
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:49,400
which you intend to put on the prop.

717
01:09:49,820 --> 01:09:50,500
Yes, correct.

718
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,920
And that cyclone will, it meet all setback requirements

719
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,240
in our 40 district.

720
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:55,960
It does.

721
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,920
So you'll have all the setback, meet all the setbacks.

722
01:09:59,920 --> 01:09:59,980
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723
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:24,920
Requirements, you'll have a septic tank, a drainage field, a well. Everything on the property is just that the property is a happening. That right, correct. And you're seeking this variance tonight in order to relieve the unnecessary hardship on the properties that right, correct. Do you feel that by granting such a variance, you would fulfill the spirit of the ordinance?

724
01:10:29,230 --> 01:10:38,610
But if the board grants this variance, do you believe that the granting of the variance would fulfill the spirit of the ordinance?

725
01:10:38,850 --> 01:10:40,090
Yes, involving grants.

726
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:56,690
This property, it has its own parcel address.

727
01:10:57,310 --> 01:10:57,630
It does.

728
01:10:57,930 --> 01:10:59,550
It has its own tax address.

729
01:11:00,510 --> 01:11:01,250
It does.

730
01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:04,370
It has its own pin address.

731
01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:04,890
It does.

732
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:16,990
This property, when you bought it, you didn't know that you would not be able to obtain any kind of variance on this property or build on this property.

733
01:11:17,610 --> 01:11:17,890
Is that right?

734
01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:18,530
There is a correction.

735
01:11:20,770 --> 01:11:23,030
Have you considered other uses for this property?

736
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:25,410
Open to anything.

737
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:31,510
If we can't build on it, I can't find any other use that we can use it for.

738
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:34,690
All right, sir, thank you.

739
01:11:34,690 --> 01:11:39,410
If you have any questions for the Mr. Tud, thank you, ma'am.

740
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:48,100
Why did you initially buy the property to build the model home that you saw?

741
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,580
To build a home on it?

742
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,260
Yes, sir.

743
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,020
The same family residence.

744
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:57,900
No one it takes, basically, an acre to build a house on a union county.

745
01:11:59,060 --> 01:12:03,500
I operate in a good faith based on what I was told, but just what I do with any county

746
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:05,520
that we hope that I always call.

747
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,180
I mean, is there any regardless of what's written?

748
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:10,680
I always like to get a verified, open phone,

749
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,760
and I always told that it was grandfathered in.

750
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,640
Did you know that you would need to get a variant

751
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,680
on the property to do what you wanted to do?

752
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:19,420
We could have even proceeded.

753
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,120
Wouldn't it have been worth it?

754
01:12:27,980 --> 01:12:28,840
Any other questions?

755
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,740
Were there any other surveys done prior to you guys having

756
01:12:37,740 --> 01:12:38,820
a survey done on this property?

757
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,780
To have made you feel like this property

758
01:12:40,780 --> 01:12:43,480
was previously split apart.

759
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:46,080
I'd be seeing any other kind of surveys.

760
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:52,520
Just the reference to the one of the D that was done for what I hadn't seen at the time.

761
01:12:58,410 --> 01:13:05,450
Did staff have any kind of previous surveys on file for this area of land?

762
01:13:08,690 --> 01:13:09,530
Thanks for the answer.

763
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:15,210
I wasn't here when that's originally started, but now I don't believe we had a previous survey.

764
01:13:20,940 --> 01:13:21,800
Anything else?

765
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,240
All right.

766
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:33,840
At this time, if I guess you would like to bring up,

767
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:39,740
let's call

768
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,920
it.

769
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:48,680
Thank you.

770
01:13:49,420 --> 01:13:53,020
I'm going to move this thing over a little bit so we can hear you a lot of clear.

771
01:13:54,420 --> 01:13:56,440
Ask you to come stand right in the middle here.

772
01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:57,660
All right.

773
01:13:58,220 --> 01:13:59,900
Can you please state your name for the record?

774
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:01,820
Mary, Mike, yes, Clark.

775
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:03,900
And, man, where do you live?

776
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:05,960
38, 14.

777
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,160
Rich, some right.

778
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:07,980
Okay.

779
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:12,820
We're here to talk about this piece of property that was sold to

780
01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:14,620
Augustine properties.

781
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,000
I familiar with that property.

782
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,240
Yes.

783
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:18,380
Yes.

784
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:19,780
Is that property?

785
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:23,020
Was that formally a part of the largest property of yours?

786
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:24,120
Yes, it was.

787
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:24,480
What?

788
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:30,980
Okay, and sometime did you decide to parcel off this section of property?

789
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,240
I did, let my son make a trailer on.

790
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,880
Okay, so you parceled out this property for your son.

791
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,060
Okay, and he lived in a trailer on that property is that right?

792
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:44,680
Yes.

793
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,840
We heard some questions regarding water.

794
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,480
Do you know where he got his water from?

795
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:49,480
From a whale.

796
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,920
Okay, so he used your well, almost like as an easement.

797
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:59,980
Yeah, to get water onto the properties that right. That's right. Okay, and he hit

798
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,340
That's septic on his property too. Is that right? Yes, he put a septic again.

799
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,080
And your son lived there for how long? How many years?

800
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:17,200
I don't know, probably a couple years, and he had my granddaughter lived in it.

801
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:24,360
Or there's another couple lived in it, and then my granddaughter lived in it last, and they took it all, moved in.

802
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,280
And we heard some testimony that was about 2013.

803
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:36,960
that. That's probably right. And the purpose, did you hire an attorney to help you get this

804
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:40,280
parcel, parceled off for you?

805
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:46,940
I don't know. I think the trailer company held it or whatever.

806
01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:52,480
Okay. So there was somebody else that did this for you. I hope you could do this, right?

807
01:15:52,980 --> 01:15:58,640
Yes. Did you know that you can not parcel off a piece of property this small and make it in our

808
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:05,260
40. I didn't know at the time. Had you known that, would you have done that?

809
01:16:05,580 --> 01:16:06,500
By my sister,

810
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,880
a sign for the trailer, and that I gave him the property, to move it

811
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,040
trailer on it. That was a big mistake.

812
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:19,900
If you knew you had to give him a bigger size piece

813
01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:24,400
of property, would you have done that? I don't know, probably not.

814
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:33,650
Well, she just said that that was a mistake. What was she referring to? She said that was a mistake when she gave him the property to move on to

815
01:16:34,660 --> 01:16:36,400
Well, it was just

816
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:43,400
Well, it went from hand to another couple moved in and my granddaughter moved in. It was just

817
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:48,530
Aggravation, you know, it really was so he regret you ever did that now

818
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:58,150
in a way, yes, I have a question, these other people did you, you said the first person

819
01:16:58,150 --> 01:17:05,710
was your son or grandson, son, my son, did he let another couple of me be in, and then my

820
01:17:05,710 --> 01:17:09,850
granddaughter was the last one, and it was towed out.

821
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:14,790
So was he, was that your son, did you, was it put in his name, did it become his property

822
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:15,530
in his name?

823
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:22,190
no. Well, how do we have a separate piece of property here? Well, my sister signed for the trailer

824
01:17:22,190 --> 01:17:27,530
and I let him put the property on the property.

825
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,120
Why don't we have a separate piece of property?

826
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:44,810
I don't know. Where's the title to that property? Yes, sir. The deed of the property is just

827
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:50,190
There's a parcel of off in that description. I was unable to locate that record recorded.

828
01:17:50,810 --> 01:17:54,870
Yeah. There's some kind of recordation otherwise it wouldn't be a separate tax parcel.

829
01:17:55,530 --> 01:18:02,890
Mr. Doug, in your property description, in your deed references and unrecorded flat and terrible rushing.

830
01:18:03,970 --> 01:18:07,210
Is it your contention that was recorded to parcel that off in 2004?

831
01:18:07,710 --> 01:18:10,610
There was something recorded in order to create the tax,

832
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:15,310
Yes, that should have been extra parts of the gear to separate P.I.N.

833
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:21,010
Well, who's name was on the property that you bought it from?

834
01:18:21,010 --> 01:18:21,610
This goes.

835
01:18:23,210 --> 01:18:24,410
I mean, Mr.

836
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:25,770
It was you, sir.

837
01:18:27,550 --> 01:18:29,010
So it was still in her name.

838
01:18:32,970 --> 01:18:38,010
So the property was in her name when you bought it.

839
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:39,150
No, we have said my name.

840
01:18:39,150 --> 01:18:43,330
That's why men who sent your name when he bought it from you, but it was a separate

841
01:18:43,330 --> 01:18:44,250
deeded property.

842
01:18:44,590 --> 01:18:50,890
But the trailer company got it, got the property, I guess, to have a lean on it to get

843
01:18:50,890 --> 01:18:51,430
the trailer.

844
01:18:51,950 --> 01:18:52,430
I don't know.

845
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:54,410
So the deed was in her name.

846
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:58,910
That's how she would, they were able to record the taxes and record everything because

847
01:18:58,910 --> 01:19:01,870
that even though it was a separate deal, it was still in her name.

848
01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:04,790
But it was a separate tax parcel of the proposal.

849
01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:06,110
But it was still in her name.

850
01:19:06,110 --> 01:19:12,790
And you know, there's no problem with multiple parcels, right, that are separate parcels that still be in one single name.

851
01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:14,870
Right, I understand what you're saying, yes.

852
01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:18,250
Here's the issue I have with all this.

853
01:19:18,670 --> 01:19:22,130
I understand your point of wanting somebody to massage you.

854
01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:23,050
I get it out.

855
01:19:23,470 --> 01:19:25,650
I totally understand what you're coming from.

856
01:19:26,290 --> 01:19:29,210
But you've made several statements tonight in representatives.

857
01:19:30,510 --> 01:19:34,770
That's really flew up a lot of flags for me if what we're going to see in the future.

858
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:44,150
Well, number one, a reverse mortgage company at some day will own this, other part, correct?

859
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:45,010
Yes.

860
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:45,750
Okay.

861
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:54,150
Now, you're bringing this half acre that we've already established, shut them in there to begin with,

862
01:19:54,650 --> 01:19:55,450
according to the county.

863
01:19:56,710 --> 01:19:59,950
And a really, truly, a really, really person that nobody can think about it.

864
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,480
Now, let's go back to the slide here. This has this whole piece of property.

865
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:30,420
Right here. Right there. There you go. That cut up much stuff. What I see is, as years down the road here, you may be on it does it.

866
01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:38,280
says hey, this piece property here will sit your mess that we had to get a variance or a

867
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:43,700
special, you know, on this piece property for this. Now we got property on the other side

868
01:20:43,700 --> 01:20:49,160
of it, and this side of it. And in order for this property to be usable at this point, we

869
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:54,480
need to split it up some more. And then you're going to end up with a little half acre subdivision

870
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:55,820
right there on that.

871
01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:02,220
On the parcel there. Okay, look on the other side. You got that little

872
01:21:02,220 --> 01:21:07,440
a land there that ain't worth a hoot for nothing, only other side of that property. Then

873
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,480
you got there, you got to where the house is, then you got to that other part. Now, just

874
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:18,000
really intrudely, let's just say that you built your house on there.

875
01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:26,630
Do you know how hard that piece of land for the original house would be to sale when the property

876
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:31,070
or she's around the house beside of it?

877
01:21:31,770 --> 01:21:32,710
I don't know.

878
01:21:33,250 --> 01:21:38,070
I think that would not be a good Bible piece property.

879
01:21:38,630 --> 01:21:43,410
Somebody would want to split it up again to make it a Bible piece property.

880
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:46,690
In my opinion, that's my opinion.

881
01:21:47,070 --> 01:21:49,550
And I've been on this board for over 20 years.

882
01:21:51,010 --> 01:21:54,150
But with all the respect, there's no evidence that that could happen.

883
01:21:54,850 --> 01:22:01,950
I'm just going by the evidence as you presented with words like hardship and all that.

884
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:04,610
I'm using your words to come to this conclusion.

885
01:22:05,670 --> 01:22:06,230
I'll do respect.

886
01:22:06,530 --> 01:22:07,830
I'm using the words of your words.

887
01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:10,110
All right.

888
01:22:10,110 --> 01:22:10,570
All right.

889
01:22:10,670 --> 01:22:17,490
This is an ordinance that was passed by Union County goes through review by the Union County

890
01:22:17,490 --> 01:22:20,990
Planning Board after review by the Union County Planning Board.

891
01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:25,750
you can kind of claim or it then takes it to the commission, the commission then approves

892
01:22:25,750 --> 01:22:32,670
whatever language is added to it. But as it sits right now, the fly fighting is a fact

893
01:22:32,670 --> 01:22:38,710
that strict application of the ordinance will result in an unnecessary hardship. I'm sorry.

894
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:42,290
Let me just finish with her, so I have her sit down.

895
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:47,830
Yes, please. Would you like to have the home built on the property?

896
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:50,230
Yes, I would. I would have a neighbor.

897
01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:53,630
All right, ma'am. That's all the questions I have.

898
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:56,470
Does the board have any other questions for you?

899
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:58,510
Thank you, man. Thank you, man.

900
01:22:59,710 --> 01:23:00,510
You have any other witnesses?

901
01:23:00,870 --> 01:23:02,510
No other witnesses, just a simple closing.

902
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:03,350
Okay, sir.

903
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:04,170
I think.

904
01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:05,490
Will you agree?

905
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:06,690
I have one more question.

906
01:23:07,150 --> 01:23:07,390
Yes, sir.

907
01:23:07,530 --> 01:23:10,710
I think the way that ordinance was meant to be read

908
01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:12,530
and maybe we're reading something in it.

909
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:13,870
It's not supposed to be there.

910
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:18,390
Is that if I already owned a piece of property and I had a house on it

911
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:21,570
And I wanted to do something to move around it.

912
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:28,050
I couldn't because the hardship of the way it was set up that would be a hardship to me.

913
01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:32,470
Because I already owned the property already in a house, and we have ran into this before

914
01:23:33,130 --> 01:23:37,170
that a person owned the property, and they wanted to do something else, but they couldn't

915
01:23:37,170 --> 01:23:41,930
because the structure of the land was laid out to where it was a hardship.

916
01:23:42,410 --> 01:23:47,110
And we have had these to come before us before, but I think the way the order to be in

917
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:55,790
And now I think we're reading something into that ordinance that doesn't make sense.

918
01:23:56,170 --> 01:24:02,350
The hardship is, if the property was already he is, and he already owned it for whatever time,

919
01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:07,130
and that was a building already on it, then he tried to add something to it,

920
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:09,570
is where the hardship comes into it.

921
01:24:09,950 --> 01:24:11,210
That's my feeling, though.

922
01:24:11,210 --> 01:24:18,210
I mean basically what it is, he purchased a hard ship and then won't forgive this for buying a hard ship.

923
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:20,270
That's like a sense.

924
01:24:20,530 --> 01:24:23,250
But the ordinance says that you can't hold that against the applicant.

925
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:27,650
So maybe the language of that that ordinance should be changed.

926
01:24:28,190 --> 01:24:30,210
So I mean the ordinance say that.

927
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:31,570
When there's all the active person.

928
01:24:31,570 --> 01:24:33,130
Does something is not smart.

929
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:35,210
We just go ahead and forgive them for it.

930
01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:40,290
Well, the ordinance says although the active person in the property knowing that a variance may be needed or required

931
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:42,770
does not constitute a self-created hardship.

932
01:24:43,550 --> 01:24:44,390
That's what the ordinance says.

933
01:24:44,670 --> 01:24:46,610
I'm not interpreting it any other way.

934
01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:50,750
Okay, but it says he realizes there could be a variance needed.

935
01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:53,490
It doesn't guarantee him a variance.

936
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:55,330
It just says it could be needed.

937
01:24:55,370 --> 01:24:56,350
It could be needed.

938
01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:57,010
That's correct.

939
01:24:57,070 --> 01:24:57,310
Right.

940
01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:58,770
I'll agree with you there.

941
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:09,660
Property variants may be needed, or required, does not…even if it's required, right? Is may be needed or required? One of the two.

942
01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:16,580
But will have been your real interest? It's not a bullet. It's one of the other. So, you have this jump too.

943
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:22,260
I'm sorry. Alright, go ahead, O. Sure. So, maybe you could revote the bullet.

944
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:27,300
Yep, we would argue that district application and the sortness would resolve an unnecessary hardship by an effect.

945
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:33,020
The hardship is unique to the subject properly, rather than common to the neighboring properties.

946
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:34,860
That's number two.

947
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,700
This property is a half an acre.

948
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,700
The only way you can put a whole home on is a variance.

949
01:25:40,380 --> 01:25:44,800
The hardship relates to conditions peculiar to the subject property rather than

950
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,820
personal circumstances of the applicant.

951
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,360
That's what this property is restricted to development property.

952
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:52,560
You can't do anything else with this property.

953
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:53,320
Try designing.

954
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:54,720
You try to purchase.

955
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,600
You can't do anything else with this property.

956
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,460
The hardship was not to resolve the action taken by the applicant, and was not here.

957
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:05,000
By granting this variance, the spirit of the ordinance will be observed,

958
01:26:05,580 --> 01:26:10,100
public safety, and welfare will be secured, and substantial justice will be done.

959
01:26:11,780 --> 01:26:16,600
I'd like to also reach from you in the ordinance 80.12A.

960
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:22,940
A variance is a grant of relief to a property owner from strict compliance with regulations of this ordinance.

961
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:33,740
The intent of the zoning variants is not to simply remove and inconvenience or a financial burden that may result from compliance with the applicable zoning requirements.

962
01:26:34,420 --> 01:26:42,580
Variances are intended solely to help alleviate an unnecessary hardship that would be caused by strict application of the subject regulations.

963
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:47,120
They are intended to provide relief when the requirements of this ordinance

964
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:53,500
bring to the property extremely difficult or impossible to put to reasonably

965
01:26:53,500 --> 01:26:58,580
use because of some unique special characteristic of the property itself.

966
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:02,280
Extremely difficult or impossible to put to use.

967
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,380
There was an ordinance chart or a rezoning chart.

968
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:11,100
There was a time to purchase of additional property chart.

969
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:17,760
We're here for a variance. This is the last stand in order to have some reasonable use of this property.

970
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,080
Otherwise, it's going to send us a vacant field,

971
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:23,800
a half-acre vacant field.

972
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:32,960
We'd ask that this duly request that this board approve the application request of

973
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:37,000
That's about 2,026, that's VAR, that's O2,

974
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,240
approved the variance request of Augustine's properties

975
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:44,960
to allow for the construction of a single family home.

976
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:46,560
Thank you,

977
01:27:48,610 --> 01:27:48,610
sir.

978
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:49,710
Any other question?

979
01:27:51,290 --> 01:27:51,970
Mr. Dugan?

980
01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:53,050
Yes, sir.

981
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:55,310
I want to see it, right? Mr. Dugan.

982
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:56,510
Is that correct?

983
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:58,130
Mr. Dugan?

984
01:27:58,170 --> 01:27:58,330
Dugan?

985
01:27:58,330 --> 01:27:58,550
Dugan?

986
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:59,270
Mr. Dugan?

987
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:59,470
Mr. Dugan?

988
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:05,210
in your professional opinion, who created this hardship?

989
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:13,500
It was the prior owner that ended up parsing off the property.

990
01:28:13,820 --> 01:28:17,880
I mean, without going through subdivision or without getting approval

991
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:21,600
of the subdivisions, then this property is now an existence.

992
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,620
Now what do we do with this piece of property?

993
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,340
We either sell it as a vacant lot.

994
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:34,260
We hope that somebody who buys Ms. Clark's property down the line might buy this piece of property as part of that.

995
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,740
But you're just holding this and paying taxes on it.

996
01:28:39,380 --> 01:28:45,420
So the hardship was created in 2004 when a survey was done a

997
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:52,200
Application was made to the tax department and they created a separate parcel on this.

998
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,680
With that application was done by the mobile home company or not, I don't know.

999
01:28:56,780 --> 01:28:59,100
I wasn't there in 2004 to see him do it.

1000
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:02,680
But somebody before the applicant created this difficulty on this part.

1001
01:29:03,580 --> 01:29:06,000
And that's why we're here today for this variance.

1002
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:08,100
Do get some use out of this part.

1003
01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:09,820
Okay.

1004
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:11,260
Good.

1005
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:12,180
Thanks, sir.

1006
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:12,920
Thank you.

1007
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:13,640
All right.

1008
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,280
At this time, anyone else would like to speak in favor of this variance?

1009
01:29:18,380 --> 01:29:23,820
We do have one person who signed up to speak in opposition, Mr. Mitch Griffin.

1010
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,760
If you could come forward and we will swear you answer,

1011
01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:33,400
left hand on the Bible right hand.

1012
01:29:34,780 --> 01:29:38,300
You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the matter hand.

1013
01:29:39,060 --> 01:29:42,400
All right, sir, please just come forward and state your name.

1014
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:57,320
Name it's Mitchell Griffin, my wife and I own some land just down Richard Sero, we're not adjacent to the property but we're close to it.

1015
01:30:00,270 --> 01:30:15,330
We have been neighbors with mismarried. We love mismarried. She's a good neighbor. We were kind of shocked when they did this. We don't want to be telling people what to do with their land. I don't believe in that too much unless you're causing problems,

1016
01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:30,250
but part of our land does have joined that large field beside of it. And as we know, there is no water or solar down there. At one time, there's a 1.8-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

1017
01:30:30,250 --> 01:30:37,850
acre lot there we were considering building a house on but it wouldn't perk and it's just a couple

1018
01:30:37,850 --> 01:30:42,930
hundred well maybe not a couple but a hundred and hundred and fifty feet from that lot.

1019
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:46,440
What really

1020
01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:57,220
concerns us is we're afraid that we think that the one acre lot is a good road. It's good for the environment,

1021
01:30:57,220 --> 01:31:05,940
It's good for water and wheels, but what concerns us and we've talked to some other people in the neighborhood, what concerns them is so.

1022
01:31:06,980 --> 01:31:13,880
That half acre lot, if it's given a variance, it could be a foot and a door for that 30 acre field.

1023
01:31:14,020 --> 01:31:16,200
I think it might be 33 acres.

1024
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:24,640
But can you imagine 60 houses with 60 wells and 60 set big tanks and that lot?

1025
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,880
Now I know we need to preserve our farmland.

1026
01:31:26,900 --> 01:31:31,080
I love having that farmbed over there, but I know one of these days it may not be.

1027
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:39,700
But if we grant that half-faker variant state was to stop them saying, hey, we won't

1028
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:42,420
half-faker lots on our subdivision here.

1029
01:31:43,660 --> 01:31:47,420
That's basically what we were concerned about.

1030
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:52,560
That's all I want to say.

1031
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:53,860
Mr. Griffin.

1032
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:54,300
Yes.

1033
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:58,840
The property you're talking about is the bigger property right behind the subject property.

1034
01:32:00,140 --> 01:32:00,380
No.

1035
01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:04,420
What that's the farm field is in corn right now.

1036
01:32:04,740 --> 01:32:05,260
Yes sir.

1037
01:32:06,140 --> 01:32:10,160
And how close the proximity do you live to Miss Mary?

1038
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:18,060
work for you. We own the property that's my wife's family land. We live in town, but there's

1039
01:32:18,060 --> 01:32:25,100
a couple houses on our property, and there's people that do live there. But that one along

1040
01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:30,400
a lot, I was had a laser cleaner. I can't show it to you, but that's what actually joins the property.

1041
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:38,340
But we've got that little 10 acre plot right there. It was subdivided by my wife's mom a year as you get.

1042
01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:42,360
Anything else?

1043
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:43,780
All right. Thank you sir.

1044
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,540
Okay. Thank y'all.

1045
01:32:46,780 --> 01:32:52,320
Any other questions that we need to have asked us before we close the hearing?

1046
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,080
I've got. That's what he's just saying about your.

1047
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,320
Okay. If you come forward to our police,

1048
01:32:58,020 --> 01:32:59,140
if you're going to present evidence,

1049
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:00,400
I need to swear you answer.

1050
01:33:10,530 --> 01:33:12,510
Left hand on the bottle raise your right hand.

1051
01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:15,070
You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,

1052
01:33:15,170 --> 01:33:17,130
nothing but the truth, the matter hand.

1053
01:33:17,130 --> 01:33:22,370
All right, please come forward and state your name, sir, and I'm going to need you to fill this out.

1054
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:24,390
There should be one up there.

1055
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:26,470
You'll need to fill out when you're done.

1056
01:33:26,730 --> 01:33:28,510
Make sure you, you have to do it now.

1057
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:32,550
Just make sure you turn it into a script and write it.

1058
01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:33,190
Come with me.

1059
01:33:33,190 --> 01:33:33,690
With a microphone.

1060
01:33:34,730 --> 01:33:35,710
I'm Rex Perry.

1061
01:33:35,770 --> 01:33:37,090
I'm really Thomas Perry.

1062
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:42,830
And I'm the 160 five acres across from this.

1063
01:33:43,530 --> 01:33:43,550
Okay.

1064
01:33:44,410 --> 01:33:46,770
And I have a cattle farm and a sheep farm.

1065
01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:51,090
And I have tried my best to preserve land and to hand-mobler.

1066
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:58,330
And I just feel that with the lack of water in this area, my

1067
01:33:58,330 --> 01:34:01,610
wealth has gone because they built houses on the corner.

1068
01:34:02,630 --> 01:34:06,290
And I had to be watered towel from the county water,

1069
01:34:06,350 --> 01:34:09,650
which was a hardship made, if somebody wants to talk about hardship.

1070
01:34:11,470 --> 01:34:14,930
Because I didn't have my wealth, when I built the house, I didn't have

1071
01:34:14,930 --> 01:34:19,910
water and then when they built the other houses my way I went, the one's on

1072
01:34:19,910 --> 01:34:24,670
Griffith and Richston won't rode at the corner at Allison Hillsville, which is

1073
01:34:24,670 --> 01:34:31,730
very nice and we're very good. But anyway I just feel like this shouldn't have

1074
01:34:31,730 --> 01:34:37,970
gotten this far. I came to the meeting in February about to the end.

1075
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:41,370
After hearing

1076
01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:46,650
meeting and observing the meeting, you all said, don't take. I call him a son who at that

1077
01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:53,370
time was a lawyer for the Department of Interior. And he said, it's a young lady to

1078
01:34:53,370 --> 01:34:58,030
stood up here and said that she would get friends, find good friends from this Mary and put it in.

1079
01:34:58,270 --> 01:34:59,530
He said that was a violation.

1080
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:03,040
I'm sorry, sorry, you can't testify as what you're saying.

1081
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:05,360
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

1082
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,740
You can only present evidence, sorry.

1083
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:09,700
So fear say it's not.

1084
01:35:09,820 --> 01:35:11,520
Okay, I'm not acceptable, sorry.

1085
01:35:11,860 --> 01:35:13,140
We're not, I'm standing, can't.

1086
01:35:13,660 --> 01:35:16,500
But I just feel like, and everybody's best interest,

1087
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:18,620
would be setting a precedent.

1088
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:19,440
Yes, sir.

1089
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:24,300
The like Mr. Griffith said that that, and that was brought up at the evening.

1090
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:26,000
All right.

1091
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,080
And it's going to allow it to get this far anyway.

1092
01:35:31,140 --> 01:35:31,200
All right.

1093
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:32,380
And I do thank you.

1094
01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:33,060
Thank you, sir.

1095
01:35:33,260 --> 01:35:34,120
And I don't care.

1096
01:35:34,260 --> 01:35:35,140
I'm not coming up.

1097
01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:36,840
I'll be appreciate speaking.

1098
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:37,420
All right.

1099
01:35:37,420 --> 01:35:38,060
Thank you, sir.

1100
01:35:39,060 --> 01:35:39,740
Very mindable.

1101
01:35:40,100 --> 01:35:40,880
Here's the evidence.

1102
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:44,980
It's not acceptable in this matter, so.

1103
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:46,700
Only evidence.

1104
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:49,760
Anything else?

1105
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:51,480
Anyone else?

1106
01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:54,420
The board's classified with closed hearing?

1107
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:02,080
We

1108
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,040
need to look at the fines fact.

1109
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,720
Our final conclusion required for approval.

1110
01:36:13,220 --> 01:36:15,480
Number one is the unnecessary hardship.

1111
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:17,660
What say the board?

1112
01:36:27,450 --> 01:36:34,230
I hope that the denial will be because of a strict application on the minimum law

1113
01:36:34,230 --> 01:36:40,650
requirement does not create an unnecessary hardship because the dimensional requirements of the

1114
01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:46,070
ordinance are shared by the public as a whole and does not unfairly burden one property

1115
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:51,650
owner. Therefore, it does not impose a hardship sufficient to justify a variance.

1116
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:03,100
Can I add a light in this to look at just a different looking at it, sir? From all the evidence

1117
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:04,600
we heard here tonight.

1118
01:37:09,140 --> 01:37:10,020
Really and truly

1119
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:17,630
Miss Mary was kind of duked in a way when the trailer

1120
01:37:17,630 --> 01:37:20,950
company got involved and Miss got dried up the way it did.

1121
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:24,940
And if she still owned a property,

1122
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:32,940
I could see where there would be a hardship that was put on her. Now the other problem is the fact

1123
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:40,780
that the land that she owns around it was given to her or turned over to a reverse mortgage

1124
01:37:40,780 --> 01:37:41,660
thing.

1125
01:37:44,410 --> 01:37:45,090
Unfortunately,

1126
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:54,240
her doing that helped create additional hardship on it because

1127
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,040
can't nothing be done to the land.

1128
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,450
So I struggle with this all around because

1129
01:38:04,990 --> 01:38:11,310
everything about this, from every party and my view, from this testimony, is

1130
01:38:11,310 --> 01:38:12,210
self-inflicted.

1131
01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:19,440
I mean, the land was bought. I'm not a realtor, I want to

1132
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:30,680
out it. The land was lighted out and it didn't adhere to the county. Somebody that we don't

1133
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:35,040
know told somebody it was grandfathered in.

1134
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:44,030
I guess struggle with all of it. Okay. So Mr.

1135
01:38:44,110 --> 01:38:50,330
Davis, your conclusion then is that number one does not meet the requirement as an unnecessary

1136
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:56,470
Yeah, all right any other cut the special with the guard of that

1137
01:38:58,990 --> 01:39:03,310
All right, so do I need a we need a motion or how you want to handle it?

1138
01:39:03,450 --> 01:39:08,770
Yeah, you can make a motion. Okay, so we're gonna go through each one of these findings just so everybody understands these five

1139
01:39:08,770 --> 01:39:13,270
We need to vote each one. Yeah, each one. I'll message me below the dome. So the first one you're gonna make a motion

1140
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:19,750
Yeah, it does not meet the requirement based on what you read that's correct. It's their seconds of that motion

1141
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,520
Okay, all in favor say aye.

1142
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:23,660
Aye.

1143
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:24,100
Aye.

1144
01:39:24,220 --> 01:39:24,780
Any opposed?

1145
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:26,800
Hold on just a minute.

1146
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:33,570
Restate your motion.

1147
01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:34,430
Restate the motion.

1148
01:39:36,270 --> 01:39:38,470
If you just say does not meet your requirement based on that.

1149
01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:44,790
Okay, the strict application of the minimum law area requirement does not create another necessary hardship

1150
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:51,870
because the dimensional requirements of the ordinance are shared by the public as a whole and does not unfairly burden

1151
01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:57,750
one property owner, therefore, does not impose a hardship sufficient to justify a variance.

1152
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:11,820
Is that the second still stand? Okay, all those in favour of say aye, aye, any opposed? Okay, any names? Number two, the hardship is unique to the property.

1153
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:29,620
Okay, the hardship is not unique to the subject property because similar dimensional limitations may affect other undersized or non-conforming parcels within the surrounding area.

1154
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:37,680
Okay, so it's not a hardship substitute to that particular matter because it would be hardship anybody you make it a motion

1155
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:39,780
Yes, I did is there a second

1156
01:40:41,630 --> 01:40:43,330
Okay, I don't know if I would say I

1157
01:40:43,330 --> 01:40:45,410
You name

1158
01:40:46,410 --> 01:40:50,630
Number three hardship results from conditions peculiar to the property

1159
01:41:03,050 --> 01:41:06,470
the hardship results from conditions peculiar to the property

1160
01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:14,750
All right again, well, it goes back the applicant has not demonstrated that the hardship results from a physical

1161
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:22,130
condition peculiar to the property rather than simply from the desire to develop a partial

1162
01:41:22,130 --> 01:41:25,510
that does not meet current ordinance requirements.

1163
01:41:27,630 --> 01:41:28,050
To add a motion.

1164
01:41:29,050 --> 01:41:29,110
Yes.

1165
01:41:29,890 --> 01:41:30,510
Is there a second?

1166
01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:34,870
Sorry, if you can be specific on your motion, is that the standard is not met?

1167
01:41:35,170 --> 01:41:36,530
Yeah, the standard is not met.

1168
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:37,890
Therefore, the standard is not met.

1169
01:41:38,090 --> 01:41:38,250
No.

1170
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:40,210
The standard is not met.

1171
01:41:40,270 --> 01:41:40,710
Okay.

1172
01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:42,450
Mayors second.

1173
01:41:43,570 --> 01:41:43,810
Second.

1174
01:41:43,810 --> 01:41:45,550
All in favour say aye.

1175
01:41:46,090 --> 01:41:46,690
Any buzz?

1176
01:41:47,550 --> 01:41:48,010
Your names?

1177
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:49,830
Number four.

1178
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:51,770
Hard ship is not self-created.

1179
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:56,240
It is self-created.

1180
01:41:57,480 --> 01:41:58,920
Yeah, I believe this is the easiest.

1181
01:41:59,600 --> 01:41:59,760
Ever.

1182
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:01,800
Ever peaks of it is self-created.

1183
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,300
I mean, by what I'm making a official motion on that.

1184
01:42:06,580 --> 01:42:07,590
How much emotional it?

1185
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:14,940
The African has not demonstrated that the circumstances creating the need for the variants are entirely independent

1186
01:42:14,940 --> 01:42:19,920
elections taken by the property owner or predecessors in interest.

1187
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,440
Therefore, therefore, does not meet standard.

1188
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:25,680
That's the motion.

1189
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:26,840
It's there a second.

1190
01:42:28,510 --> 01:42:29,010
All in a favor.

1191
01:42:29,250 --> 01:42:30,050
Say aye.

1192
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:30,550
Aye.

1193
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:31,170
Any pose.

1194
01:42:32,370 --> 01:42:33,530
Number five.

1195
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:34,650
Spirit of the ordinance.

1196
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:37,450
Public welfare and substantial judgment.

1197
01:42:38,210 --> 01:42:38,770
Just to something.

1198
01:42:41,290 --> 01:42:42,850
Does this make the spirit of the ordinance?

1199
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:47,090
I think this thing,

1200
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:54,970
it started out then with the trailer company, and it's gone down the

1201
01:42:54,970 --> 01:42:56,550
same side.

1202
01:42:56,890 --> 01:43:00,230
There's no sense of making it any.

1203
01:43:02,110 --> 01:43:03,310
All right.

1204
01:43:03,570 --> 01:43:04,230
So we have a motion.

1205
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:16,030
I'll make a motion granting the variance with underbind of the minimal modernist and there's

1206
01:43:16,030 --> 01:43:19,330
outside as far as the surface of the surface of the surface.

1207
01:43:20,430 --> 01:43:21,250
It's here a second.

1208
01:43:23,710 --> 01:43:23,830
Right.

1209
01:43:24,150 --> 01:43:24,290
All right.

1210
01:43:24,290 --> 01:43:30,290
All right, all right, so I can put in your post, and then, this time, we will need a motion

1211
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:33,730
for the entire, not believe we have in here.

1212
01:43:38,910 --> 01:43:39,870
There you go.

1213
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:41,010
There you go.

1214
01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:41,930
Yeah, I'm on.

1215
01:43:42,370 --> 01:43:42,930
So, oh, it does.

1216
01:43:43,330 --> 01:43:43,430
It does.

1217
01:43:44,610 --> 01:43:48,710
So we need a motion to either approve or do not.

1218
01:43:50,340 --> 01:43:53,480
Okay, I'm not a motion to deny the request.

1219
01:43:53,780 --> 01:43:54,480
Can I have any questions?

1220
01:43:55,460 --> 01:43:55,600
Sorry.

1221
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,300
Is there any other discussion?

1222
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:00,480
All in favor say aye.

1223
01:44:01,020 --> 01:44:01,540
Any opposed?

1224
01:44:02,340 --> 01:44:02,520
Okay.

1225
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:03,180
Thank you, board.

1226
01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:05,100
Thank you all.

1227
01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:08,480
Thank you.

1228
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:08,900
Thank you.

1229
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:10,400
Thank you.

1230
01:44:10,620 --> 01:44:12,700
The decision will be once it's signed.

1231
01:44:12,860 --> 01:44:14,460
I'll be get to you guys when you need it.

1232
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:17,640
This time, we could take a couple minutes.

1233
01:44:17,980 --> 01:44:19,160
I mean, that bathroom break.

1234
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,040
I'm not a man.

1235
01:44:26,330 --> 01:44:27,010
I'm a man.

1236
01:44:27,010 --> 01:44:27,810
I'm a man.

1237
01:44:28,130 --> 01:44:28,510
I'm a man.

1238
01:44:29,250 --> 01:44:29,730
I'm a man.

1239
01:44:29,730 --> 01:44:31,390
The mic is still alive, guys.

1240
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:34,880
Here's it.

1241
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:36,280
Everybody's is.

1242
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:36,660
Hi.

1243
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:37,300
You're here.

1244
01:44:38,620 --> 01:44:38,760
Yeah.

1245
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:39,940
The man in my can still.

1246
01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:51,710
Thank you.

1247
01:44:52,170 --> 01:44:52,670
Thank you.

1248
01:44:52,670 --> 01:44:53,450
Why do you always go?

1249
01:44:53,630 --> 01:44:54,450
Should we wait in the room?

1250
01:44:54,770 --> 01:44:57,910
Do you want to go?

1251
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:59,130
I'll go.

1252
01:44:59,130 --> 01:44:59,210
I'll go.

1253
01:44:59,490 --> 01:44:59,510
I'll go.

1254
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:59,730
I'll go.

1255
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:30,470
I was feeling like I was like a little rude.

1256
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:31,850
Let's see.

1257
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:02,300
Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Green. Members of the board. This is a light industrial rezoning.

1258
01:49:02,300 --> 01:49:09,620
You saw a very similar application last month. That was for a heavy industrial rezoning.

1259
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:18,440
That was withdrawn after the meeting last month and a replacement was submitted for light industrial.

1260
01:49:18,860 --> 01:49:24,020
So we were able to get it on this month's agenda because we did pretty much all the work for this.

1261
01:49:24,020 --> 01:49:26,240
There's just some slight tweaks that have to be done.

1262
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:31,080
So as was described, this is approximately 26 acres

1263
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:34,860
on US-601 South and there are no conditions

1264
01:49:34,860 --> 01:49:36,440
or cyclone associated with us.

1265
01:49:36,440 --> 01:49:38,940
This is just straight resuming.

1266
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:46,120
The existing conditions of it is that it is partially developed.

1267
01:49:46,420 --> 01:49:49,560
You can see looking into the site on the right

1268
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:55,820
inside there is some cleared area that has some commercial equipment stored on it.

1269
01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:59,960
There's also a little bit of construction material periodically stored there.

1270
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:10,980
Further back on the site, there's a one acre reclamation landfill that was permitted about six years ago, as a result of a code violation that was cleared up.

1271
01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:25,640
It's on US-61, so it's a multi-lane road across the across US-61. You can see the commercial building related to agricultural operations and further to the south. There is a truck stop.

1272
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,800
In terms of the development status, this is where you can actually get a feel for the overall

1273
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:37,120
site, target road where you have the dollar general pre-zone within the last year is just

1274
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:39,140
down here to put things in perspective.

1275
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:44,400
But you do have this area cleared for equipment storage.

1276
01:50:45,380 --> 01:50:49,760
That is in violation of RA-40 zoning, but it has occurred for quite a while.

1277
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:55,260
And then you have the one acre reclamation landfill in the back portion of the site, which

1278
01:50:55,260 --> 01:51:03,340
is allowed. Otherwise, it is undeveloped. There's no housing or any other uses on site.

1279
01:51:04,780 --> 01:51:06,500
Good, no wet lands, but there's no more.

1280
01:51:07,660 --> 01:51:08,260
Thank you. Thank you.

1281
01:51:08,260 --> 01:51:09,340
Thank you.

1282
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:10,680
Participate at the next map.

1283
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:11,320
Thank you.

1284
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:20,480
It shows the floodplain along the northern edge of the property. There is a creek as well. They can

1285
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:23,580
see the reclamation. Landfill may be in violation of the floodplain.

1286
01:51:25,300 --> 01:51:29,880
And otherwise, it's forested, no other environmental features on the site.

1287
01:51:32,580 --> 01:51:36,980
In terms of zoning, again, the CZ zoning range of the dollar general that was approved

1288
01:51:36,980 --> 01:51:41,900
within the last year, the B4 zoning for the truck stop has been there for many years.

1289
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,560
Otherwise, it's all RA40.

1290
01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:49,480
In terms of transportation, there's no funded improvements in this area.

1291
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:54,560
You have 601 is a multi-lane road carrying approximately 14,000 cars per day.

1292
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:58,340
and a good percent of that traffic is truck traffic.

1293
01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:04,460
In terms of land use maps showing up as all purple,

1294
01:52:04,620 --> 01:52:05,860
because it's an employment corridor,

1295
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,500
that's an overlay over rural residential.

1296
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:13,720
So, you know, the discretion of saying that rural residential is a property

1297
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:17,580
or that some sort of employment uses program.

1298
01:52:19,100 --> 01:52:20,880
And in terms of schools and utilities,

1299
01:52:21,260 --> 01:52:22,380
because it's commercial in nature,

1300
01:52:22,500 --> 01:52:23,820
the school system was not consulted,

1301
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:29,760
and water and sewer are not available to the site, community meetings not required.

1302
01:52:29,860 --> 01:52:35,380
No comments have received did have the neighbor immediately to the south come in this morning

1303
01:52:35,380 --> 01:52:40,900
and ask questions about the rezoning. He was in an opposition too. He just wanted to understand

1304
01:52:40,900 --> 01:52:46,340
the process and you know in relation to the latter of the fact that the heavy industrial was

1305
01:52:46,340 --> 01:52:52,960
withdrawn and the light industrial was submitted. And normally if a rezoning is close to municipal

1306
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:57,580
limits, we asked for their input, but this was several miles from Monroe so they were

1307
01:52:57,580 --> 01:52:58,340
not consulted.

1308
01:52:59,540 --> 01:53:04,800
Lots of words here, in terms of the positives, it is consistent with the land use plan.

1309
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:11,540
It's also consistent with the rural land use plan, which was adopted in the last few months.

1310
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:17,720
The size of the land is not small, relative to the many uses that are possible for

1311
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:22,500
light industrial, sometimes that is a consideration, like for example, the half acre that

1312
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:27,320
We staff recommended denial of that was ultimately approved for highway corridor

1313
01:53:28,980 --> 01:53:32,400
A few miles up the road from here on 601.

1314
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:39,720
And it is close to other business and commercial uses that have been either approved or proposed in the area.

1315
01:53:40,500 --> 01:53:44,160
And that it in general gives more benefits than negatives.

1316
01:53:44,900 --> 01:53:51,500
But in terms of the negatives, we always know that you're generally making a transition from agricultural to

1317
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:55,220
to industrial uses, and there's residential nearby,

1318
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:56,320
that's always a consideration.

1319
01:53:57,460 --> 01:53:59,060
There may be some uses in light industrial

1320
01:53:59,060 --> 01:54:03,340
that are not great for the neighbors.

1321
01:54:03,660 --> 01:54:06,220
I do have a copy of the table of uses

1322
01:54:06,220 --> 01:54:08,440
if we want to talk about specific uses that are allowed

1323
01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:11,060
in the heavy industrial versus light industrial versus

1324
01:54:11,060 --> 01:54:13,340
RA40 because it's not cumulative.

1325
01:54:16,300 --> 01:54:19,600
Also, the NCDOT would require a driveway permit,

1326
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:27,440
which the applicant made may have gone through a process to to get that approved on

1327
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:32,700
unfortunately the DOT does not make paperwork for that so can't really say that

1328
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:36,440
an official driveway would be approved in its current location for that I know

1329
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:40,200
that was an implication that had to be worked through for the dollar general just

1330
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:48,840
to the South figure for example and that public water is not available as well as

1331
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:55,080
intensity of uses on the site. So weighing the positives and negatives, we ultimately

1332
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:59,980
recommended approval for this rezoning. And you're here tonight to make a recommendation.

1333
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:09,040
So, I'm happy to answer any questions that may have the applicant is here tonight.

1334
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:13,980
Well, public information, what is allowed under the light industrial?

1335
01:55:14,380 --> 01:55:15,200
Could you read that please?

1336
01:55:16,100 --> 01:55:17,140
Thank you for bringing that.

1337
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:30,050
So, light industrial, you could have a, you could have a, you could have a, you could have a,

1338
01:55:30,050 --> 01:55:35,930
facility with a special use permit. You could have a government service facility, but that's

1339
01:55:35,930 --> 01:55:40,110
a lot of under any zoning district. Natural resource preservation, that's a lot of

1340
01:55:40,110 --> 01:55:41,010
under any zoning district.

1341
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:47,690
I'll just focus on the ones that are unique to industrial uses.

1342
01:55:55,420 --> 01:56:02,500
The Outdoor major entertainment spectators sports would be allowed with special use for

1343
01:56:02,500 --> 01:56:06,060
a med, as well as a bank, no, yes, thank

1344
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:15,180
office, sports and recreation,

1345
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:20,170
vehicle sales

1346
01:56:20,170 --> 01:56:31,760
and service, so card dealerships, repair, gas station equipment and material storage with

1347
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:37,560
a special use permit, trucking and transportation terminals with a special use permit, warehouse,

1348
01:56:38,500 --> 01:56:41,800
wholesale, sales and distribution, general industrial,

1349
01:56:44,430 --> 01:56:47,890
construction and demolition, debris,

1350
01:56:47,890 --> 01:56:55,270
recycling facility with a special use permit, landfill, construction, demolition,

1351
01:56:55,770 --> 01:57:00,170
landfill on sites allowed under all of them. Reclamation landfill larger than an acre,

1352
01:57:00,370 --> 01:57:04,470
so what's already going on can be expanded further, but that will prepare a special use permit.

1353
01:57:06,610 --> 01:57:18,830
You're on the question. Yeah, that the environmental side just currently under a complaint.

1354
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:29,150
So, it's overstepping its bounds already by encroaching in the wetland or what's the...

1355
01:57:29,150 --> 01:57:33,150
Well, I mean, we're just going off the aerial.

1356
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:36,190
We have not, a violation hasn't been filed.

1357
01:57:36,870 --> 01:57:40,290
We're just noting that the initial one that was reported,

1358
01:57:40,630 --> 01:57:45,010
the one acre, was outside of the floodplain.

1359
01:57:45,010 --> 01:57:52,550
Okay. And we're not saying that the areas are exactly perfect compared to the orders of the property.

1360
01:57:54,670 --> 01:58:00,010
So they're close, but they're not exactly perfect. So that's just something to note.

1361
01:58:00,350 --> 01:58:05,590
That the landfill appears to be in portions of the floodplain.

1362
01:58:06,030 --> 01:58:09,630
Who enforces your shovels that complaint?

1363
01:58:09,630 --> 01:58:25,490
So, when asked to file one, or staff could, and that happens quite a bit, actually by the county manager, a lot of our zoning violations are actually noted by the county manager, who's a planner as well, so he knows what to look for.

1364
01:58:26,410 --> 01:58:31,270
So, anyone can file one, but has it right now one has not been filed?

1365
01:58:31,310 --> 01:58:33,870
Is that enough to deny this thing?

1366
01:58:36,150 --> 01:58:42,990
The Board of Commissioners can deny it for anything provided it's a, you know, not discriminatory.

1367
01:58:44,150 --> 01:58:48,090
But the, you know, staff, we don't, we can't consider that as a part of it.

1368
01:58:48,170 --> 01:58:50,070
We have to look just look at the land use itself.

1369
01:58:50,470 --> 01:58:52,110
The zoning violations are outside the process.

1370
01:58:52,330 --> 01:58:59,310
You've had multiple rezoning's go through this process that had violations already in place for them.

1371
01:58:59,310 --> 01:59:03,970
And one of the ways to clean it up was to fix the zoning issues

1372
01:59:03,970 --> 01:59:04,790
through a rezoning.

1373
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:07,050
There may have been other issues, maybe building code,

1374
01:59:07,290 --> 01:59:08,570
or even environmental health.

1375
01:59:09,590 --> 01:59:12,590
But the zoning was just component, one component of that.

1376
01:59:14,830 --> 01:59:18,150
What's the sort of things you're talking about while I go

1377
01:59:18,150 --> 01:59:19,850
to the radical plan, the truck parking,

1378
01:59:19,970 --> 01:59:22,450
the heavy equipment parking, going to a light industrial,

1379
01:59:22,850 --> 01:59:25,190
let resolve that, or is it still out of compliance

1380
01:59:25,190 --> 01:59:26,510
with light industrial?

1381
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:28,490
I mean, it has to go through the cyclone

1382
01:59:28,490 --> 01:59:34,630
review process. But from a zoning perspective, it'd be okay. Okay. But to get a parking lot

1383
01:59:34,630 --> 01:59:40,250
approved, it'd be pretty straight forward. Now, there may be some mitigation that's required

1384
01:59:40,250 --> 01:59:45,630
in terms of, say, a stormwater pond, which is a new stormwater requirement that we may have.

1385
01:59:45,890 --> 01:59:51,230
So, it would have to go through view and meet all those standards. But at the same time,

1386
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:58,470
if something's been in existence for long enough, it becomes legal not conforming in the change

1387
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:59,970
is really what you're only alone.

1388
02:00:01,020 --> 02:00:10,140
So it's a bit of a gray area. We've had to look in a lot of areas over the years to determine when things that actually occurred on this site.

1389
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:21,640
Okay, but I guess I didn't really understand your answer. So if it goes to a lot of industrial, he's okay to continue parking his equipment and so forth there.

1390
02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:23,580
Or does that resolve that be?

1391
02:00:23,660 --> 02:00:24,960
I don't know.

1392
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:25,740
I don't know.

1393
02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:27,180
I don't know.

1394
02:00:27,420 --> 02:00:32,640
Because once something has been occurring long enough on a site, it becomes what's called

1395
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:33,060
it.

1396
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:35,360
We try not to use the term grandfathering.

1397
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:36,980
We use the term legal not performing.

1398
02:00:37,820 --> 02:00:44,900
So if it's legal not performing, it means it's been doing it long enough in view of the public

1399
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:51,620
that people like us can't go and enforce a zoning violation against them because it's been

1400
02:00:51,620 --> 02:00:57,000
done without complaints so it's considered to be acceptable in the eyes of the community

1401
02:00:57,000 --> 02:01:02,540
that people have in my complaint. How long is long enough? It depends on how visible it is.

1402
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:08,220
It could be six or seven years. Which we're right at the cost of that because the person who's on the

1403
02:01:08,220 --> 02:01:12,980
the owner is owned it for about like since 2018 and

1404
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:19,370
so in that in that time frame. So it'll be okay

1405
02:01:19,370 --> 02:01:24,150
from under that. Possibly. Okay I'm just curious I didn't know if he'd have to come back and get a

1406
02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:29,110
special use permit for that although it's not it's not a it's not a

1407
02:01:29,110 --> 02:01:31,410
certain special use permit it's that they just have to get the

1408
02:01:31,410 --> 02:01:33,970
cycline approved. Okay. Okay. Okay.

1409
02:01:36,230 --> 02:01:37,550
Okay. Any other questions for

1410
02:01:37,550 --> 02:01:38,970
we can't.

1411
02:01:41,570 --> 02:01:44,530
Thank you. Thanks sir. That's all the applicants here now.

1412
02:01:44,850 --> 02:01:48,670
This is man. All right, the applicant can't come forward.

1413
02:01:51,620 --> 02:01:51,740
Mr.

1414
02:01:52,140 --> 02:01:55,160
York. During this kind of hearing we don't have to swear you.

1415
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:58,400
And so I can tell us, you don't have to do that.

1416
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,880
All right, well, my name's Ryan O'Gill.

1417
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,220
Sorry that I didn't make it the last meeting.

1418
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:07,120
I was in the hospital, I had blood clots in my legs,

1419
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:10,080
and I got them in my lungs, and they put me on my back

1420
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:12,760
for three weeks after that, so I've been down.

1421
02:02:13,300 --> 02:02:13,880
Well, that's the end.

1422
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:15,780
It wasn't, I just didn't want to show up.

1423
02:02:16,060 --> 02:02:16,760
All right, that's the end.

1424
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:20,640
Like a parent that I wasn't at the last meeting,

1425
02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:23,320
so I'm going to put you on the record.

1426
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:23,880
Yes.

1427
02:02:24,340 --> 02:02:25,860
I'm glad to be too.

1428
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:26,620
I know you are.

1429
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,120
So I guess it's playing what's going on.

1430
02:02:32,740 --> 02:02:36,980
Well, what I would like to do and kind of a little bit in

1431
02:02:36,980 --> 02:02:41,520
Shockinghouse after we'll pull back from the heavy duty.

1432
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:43,300
Now we're going to light and go strong.

1433
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:47,340
I was told I can have, I can build me a shop down there to work on a

1434
02:02:47,340 --> 02:02:54,640
it in part my equipment, which is my main goal and now I might have to go through another

1435
02:02:54,640 --> 02:03:00,060
hood to make sure that that's legal. So I thought light industrial was going to get me

1436
02:03:00,060 --> 02:03:06,760
where I needed to be. So I'm hoping it still is, but that's what I'd like to do. I'd like

1437
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:12,740
to be able to build me a shop. I don't plan on clearing them or trees or you know I know

1438
02:03:12,740 --> 02:03:18,400
It was a neighbor and you're complaining about me burning down there and yet we burned down

1439
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:18,700
there.

1440
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:25,900
We didn't keep a fire all the time, but we did burn, but never wants to come to me and say,

1441
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:33,200
hey, this is in her up to my family, my wife can't breathe, ashes everywhere, next thing

1442
02:03:33,200 --> 02:03:38,140
on the EPA showed up, but there was no fines, they said nothing they'd quit burning.

1443
02:03:38,140 --> 02:03:42,880
until this day, that's been about two years ago where I'm a work that ain't been a fire

1444
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:48,480
struck down there. So I'm not there to create problems for my neighbors or nobody else.

1445
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:55,940
I'm a level-headed person, you come talk to me when you work anything out. So you know,

1446
02:03:55,940 --> 02:04:01,580
but that's my goal is that I would be able to put a shop up and be able to park some trucks

1447
02:04:01,580 --> 02:04:08,900
and traders down there. They'll be no more fires. You're talking about some stuff that

1448
02:04:08,900 --> 02:04:15,920
may have got into the flood zone. And I'm having that checked out now. There was some concrete

1449
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:22,840
that got down there. It was carved in different things. We were planning on having a cross

1450
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:29,040
for coming and crushing it. To use the matrees and material for a parking area or whatever.

1451
02:04:30,060 --> 02:04:33,520
But I realized after we got into this, I say, that's over the line.

1452
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:37,880
So we didn't have been entering clean enough and then we'll have that right-of-way

1453
02:04:37,880 --> 02:04:47,340
state towards the delimity as, so we don't get over the line again into the, into the

1454
02:04:47,340 --> 02:04:47,700
stirring.

1455
02:04:48,180 --> 02:04:48,500
Well, that's good.

1456
02:04:48,540 --> 02:04:50,160
Mr. Hanson, did you come back that distant?

1457
02:04:51,740 --> 02:04:55,940
I mean, he's in question by doing the lines of industrial, that opened him up to do what

1458
02:04:55,940 --> 02:04:57,240
he would just asked him to do.

1459
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:58,540
Yes, it is.

1460
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:13,440
The first step. This does not give you the right to go do all those uses. It just gives you the right to apply. You then have to submit your site plan, your site plan is to get approved. If you're going to build a building, then you're building plans.

1461
02:05:13,500 --> 02:05:24,240
Yeah, I'm with you. I know things were changed when we're here to build a building of silt pond. We're the runoff school and how we're going to determine that.

1462
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:25,600
I get all of that.

1463
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:27,180
Quick question.

1464
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:31,940
He doesn't have to get special use permit for building your method.

1465
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:33,080
It depends on the use.

1466
02:05:33,100 --> 02:05:33,320
Okay.

1467
02:05:33,460 --> 02:05:34,600
When do requires special use permit?

1468
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:36,000
Like for working on trucks?

1469
02:05:36,380 --> 02:05:36,660
No.

1470
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:37,820
Those do not.

1471
02:05:38,420 --> 02:05:38,500
Okay.

1472
02:05:38,700 --> 02:05:40,980
So he's just going to have to do.

1473
02:05:40,980 --> 02:05:41,160
He's just going to have to do.

1474
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:45,100
You're going to submit plans for building.

1475
02:05:45,620 --> 02:05:45,840
Yeah.

1476
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:49,000
Any vehicle sales and service is allowed by right.

1477
02:05:49,060 --> 02:05:52,400
With the exception of the vehicular equipment and supplies.

1478
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:59,260
So that's that's more retail. Yeah, so you want to open up hot boys or oh, yeah

1479
02:06:00,510 --> 02:06:02,250
Some other some of our bookies

1480
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:09,390
Oh, we can open up but you can't open up

1481
02:06:09,390 --> 02:06:13,530
You can't open up in the car supply store got you because that's retail

1482
02:06:13,530 --> 02:06:15,170
So yeah

1483
02:06:15,170 --> 02:06:20,430
I was a blind for what he wouldn't have to have any other right

1484
02:06:20,430 --> 02:06:26,510
Yeah, that's what I'm like sure, clarify that. Okay, so you're gonna have to jump through

1485
02:06:26,510 --> 02:06:30,590
like anybody would feel something but yeah, you're not gonna have to get into the permit or

1486
02:06:30,590 --> 02:06:37,250
especially you. Yeah, sir, I'm trying to get where I can get started with it and this is my first day of

1487
02:06:37,250 --> 02:06:50,410
precession work that you haven't played in everything that could be easier to jump through, it's not

1488
02:06:50,410 --> 02:06:54,390
Yeah, I think you've answered my questions,

1489
02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:59,780
and it looks like your goal is to clean up and

1490
02:06:59,780 --> 02:07:02,000
be conforming with the real reality.

1491
02:07:02,060 --> 02:07:06,740
You're warning, and there was a lot of pipe and stuff got stored, we're cleaning everything up.

1492
02:07:08,340 --> 02:07:10,860
Yeah, it's going to look like a different place down there.

1493
02:07:11,380 --> 02:07:12,180
All right.

1494
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:13,680
Yeah.

1495
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:14,050
Yes, sir.

1496
02:07:14,050 --> 02:07:18,210
I'll ask you a further analysis to go back to where you're going.

1497
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:21,090
Well, he wasn't here when it started, so you.

1498
02:07:23,410 --> 02:07:23,510
All right.

1499
02:07:23,850 --> 02:07:29,220
Any other questions for anything else need to be answered?

1500
02:07:29,580 --> 02:07:30,480
Anybody got any questions?

1501
02:07:30,620 --> 02:07:31,180
Please, now.

1502
02:07:32,020 --> 02:07:32,420
Well, let me know.

1503
02:07:33,400 --> 02:07:34,160
Thank you, Mr. York.

1504
02:07:34,220 --> 02:07:34,700
Thank you.

1505
02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:36,440
Glad to see you up and running around.

1506
02:07:37,260 --> 02:07:37,980
Thank you.

1507
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:40,200
All right.

1508
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:40,840
All right.

1509
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:42,040
Do I have a motion there?

1510
02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:42,440
Yeah.

1511
02:07:42,460 --> 02:07:43,020
I might have a motion.

1512
02:07:43,420 --> 02:07:43,680
All right.

1513
02:07:52,420 --> 02:07:52,840
Okay.

1514
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:56,360
All right.

1515
02:07:56,440 --> 02:07:57,140
Here's your second.

1516
02:07:58,840 --> 02:07:59,020
Okay.

1517
02:07:59,180 --> 02:07:59,820
Any other discussion?

1518
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:02,520
Hearing none all the favour say aye.

1519
02:08:03,060 --> 02:08:03,680
Any pose?

1520
02:08:04,740 --> 02:08:04,820
All right.

1521
02:08:05,540 --> 02:08:08,260
You'll go to the county commissioners now and talk to them.

1522
02:08:08,660 --> 02:08:09,420
I appreciate it.

1523
02:08:10,100 --> 02:08:13,000
We're recommending it, but I don't mean they have to do it.

1524
02:08:14,780 --> 02:08:22,680
All right, folks, what we got next, planning staff report, just to be honest still talking

1525
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:25,860
don't worry, John, are you guys there?

1526
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:30,160
Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair,

1527
02:08:36,260 --> 02:08:38,080
Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, I hope you have

1528
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:40,040
a time to cut off over that couple months that's all.

1529
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:42,000
I'll make sure he's there.

1530
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:44,260
All right, all right.

1531
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:44,500
All right.

1532
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:45,540
I hope I've got to make some up.

1533
02:08:45,660 --> 02:08:46,780
I don't think I will this month.

1534
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:47,780
Any other comments?

1535
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:51,400
Hearing none, do I have a motion to adjourn?

1536
02:08:52,180 --> 02:08:52,440
Second.

1537
02:08:53,380 --> 02:08:54,440
All in favor say aye.

1538
02:08:54,620 --> 02:08:54,760
Aye.

1539
02:08:54,900 --> 02:08:55,260
Opposed.

1540
02:08:55,660 --> 02:08:56,020
All right.

1541
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:57,800
Thank you everyone.

1542
02:08:58,440 --> 02:08:58,780
Thank you.

1543
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:00,680
Appreciate you.

1544
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:36,440
Tomorrow night, they're just going to chew on all of the points assignments for the different projects to get funded.

1545
02:09:36,900 --> 02:09:46,920
I will tell you, the big one for uni county for uni to go for happy bridge is the two intersections in Hempie Bridge right there by the bridge restaurant.

1546
02:09:47,860 --> 02:09:59,780
Straddling the creep, that is a, that project is very competitive, scoring well, and a lot of people from the public comment to favorably on it.

1547
02:10:02,510 --> 02:10:10,510
Yeah, it is. It's unsafe. It's congested. Frankly, not very attractive. I mean, it floods. There's a lot of reasons to do it.

1548
02:10:32,510 --> 02:10:34,650
I'm just worried about the water, don't you?

1549
02:10:35,250 --> 02:10:38,090
Yeah, you did it all, but he doesn't know what to say.

1550
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:40,010
Didn't you offer the power, was it?

1551
02:10:40,230 --> 02:10:44,250
Oh, yeah, it's just you offered the power, but it comes in a little jilt, isn't it?

1552
02:10:45,490 --> 02:10:46,550
Yeah, it's a little jilt, it's a little jilt, isn't it?

1553
02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:48,550
All right, come on, tell me a second.

1554
02:10:49,630 --> 02:10:51,370
That place needs to be attached to the water.

1555
02:10:51,730 --> 02:10:53,330
That's it.

1556
02:10:53,490 --> 02:10:54,790
What do you want to do with the water?

1557
02:10:55,890 --> 02:10:56,890
I want to do it with the water.

1558
02:10:56,890 --> 02:10:58,430
I don't know how to do it, but I don't know how to do it.

1559
02:10:58,430 --> 02:10:59,990
You're at it.

1560
02:11:07,870 --> 02:11:12,690
Yeah, normally it's like Jason's belly here or something like that.

1561
02:11:12,870 --> 02:11:14,230
But yeah, if you go with thanks, Steven,

1562
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:22,080
the one you have, thanks, Steven, city council members, have therapy.

1563
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:40,460
Yes, I hope you can help me understand this one, all right, that's like a really important deal, if you just can't over stay on board.

1564
02:11:40,460 --> 02:11:42,540
There's going to be a lot of next month.

1565
02:11:43,220 --> 02:11:44,500
I'll be there then.

1566
02:11:46,780 --> 02:11:49,660
Tell somebody just to, oh yeah they've got to think of it.

1567
02:12:10,240 --> 02:12:10,600
What is there?

1568
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:12,860
That's the way it's going.

1569
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:13,560
What is there?

1570
02:12:13,560 --> 02:12:14,220
Two oxmen.

1571
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:14,800
Two oxmen.

1572
02:12:16,180 --> 02:12:16,800
Two oxmen.

1573
02:12:16,820 --> 02:12:17,680
Two oxmen.

1574
02:12:18,820 --> 02:12:19,420
You have to be there.

1575
02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:25,320
One oxmen.

1576
02:12:27,420 --> 02:12:28,040
Two oxmen.

1577
02:12:29,080 --> 02:12:29,740
Two oxmen.

1578
02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:31,900
Two oxmen.

1579
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:33,420
Two oxmen.

1580
02:12:33,420 --> 02:12:34,360
Two oxmen.

1581
02:12:34,640 --> 02:12:35,380
Two oxmen.

1582
02:12:40,260 --> 02:12:46,180
I think they didn't completely get before they, you said it, but I don't think they

1583
02:12:46,180 --> 02:12:48,340
completely understood it.

1584
02:12:48,460 --> 02:12:50,980
That the lot was like just to think.

1585
02:12:54,260 --> 02:12:58,660
How do you get, how do you feel when they, I don't think, I don't think so.

1586
02:12:59,580 --> 02:12:59,600
I don't think so.

1587
02:12:59,960 --> 02:13:00,320
I don't know.

1588
02:13:00,420 --> 02:13:01,280
I don't know all that.

1589
02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,580
Transpire is a very little lot of the first question.

1590
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:09,160
You could feel bad for it, but the other thing is you could get up 15,000 bucks for nothing.

1591
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:12,360
Yeah.

1592
02:13:12,580 --> 02:13:13,480
I'm going to spell it.

1593
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:14,900
She's a lot better wild, obviously.

1594
02:13:15,020 --> 02:13:16,160
It doesn't need to be still count.

1595
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:19,260
No longer.

1596
02:13:19,660 --> 02:13:23,220
To be just legal, we don't have a real, appropriate size of course.

1597
02:13:25,780 --> 02:13:29,940
I feel like the, I know that they've probably lived a bit of environmental oil.

1598
02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:36,140
These days, something on their application that almost is a purgable of well or set that

1599
02:13:36,140 --> 02:13:39,540
is not considered to be a bill of law.

1600
02:13:39,700 --> 02:13:43,440
Because they kept it well, they got it for you for it.

1601
02:13:45,060 --> 02:13:45,960
I don't mean it for you.

1602
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:50,540
But I would be interested in it.

1603
02:13:51,860 --> 02:13:53,320
They'd write it in the next few minutes.

1604
02:13:54,540 --> 02:13:55,980
Do you mean you write this for another?

1605
02:13:56,020 --> 02:13:56,440
Sure.

1606
02:14:04,530 --> 02:14:06,030
And we're going to put that to you.

1607
02:14:06,230 --> 02:14:07,150
We're going to read it today.

1608
02:14:07,650 --> 02:14:07,810
Yeah.

1609
02:14:07,810 --> 02:14:08,630
Can you apologize?

1610
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:10,190
Yes.

1611
02:14:10,750 --> 02:14:11,130
But who?

1612
02:14:11,730 --> 02:14:12,030
That?

1613
02:14:12,250 --> 02:14:12,810
We sure is.

1614
02:14:13,530 --> 02:14:20,850
Yeah, the first time I did it, I paused it, because I started it, just to be sure it worked.

1615
02:14:21,230 --> 02:14:24,670
Like you can see your phone that says I'm not paused it, and then I started it again.

1616
02:14:24,830 --> 02:14:26,470
Or maybe I stopped it, and I started it again.

1617
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:30,690
And that like triggered it, rippling to like the next schedule needed.

1618
02:14:31,290 --> 02:14:35,750
Oh, he didn't even have it turned on to do me in this.

1619
02:14:36,050 --> 02:14:36,330
Nothing.

1620
02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:42,160
I would think it would be easy to do.

1621
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:42,820
Yeah.