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Madam Chair, we're ready, whenever you're ready.

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Sandy City

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The council meeting of Tuesday, January 13th.

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I want to welcome everyone who's here in person and online.

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And we will start tonight's meeting with a prayer and a pledge.

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Do I have a volunteer for a prayer for this evening?

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Marcy says yes.

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Please go ahead.

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Our

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dear Father in Heaven, we are once again grateful to gather, grateful to be amongst the members of our community who serve and lead and protect and uplift.

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We are grateful for this opportunity to consider the needs of our community, grateful for the opportunity we have to listen and learn from one another and move important work forward as a city.

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We pray that thy blessing will be upon each of us as we deliberate this evening and consider important decisions.

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And also be upon all of those who serve in our community whether it be through assignment or through volunteerism.

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We are grateful for that service and grateful for the manner in which it enriches the lives of those around us.

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We ask for a special protection to be upon those who serve and in positions that at some point might be threatening.

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please protect them and let them know that we are grateful for their service.

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We are grateful for thy guiding hand and pray that it will join with us tonight.

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And we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

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Well, everyone, please stand and recite the pledge with me.

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Thank you, everyone.

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We will go ahead and go into introductions at this point in time.

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And Mr. Frodo, if you'll start us off.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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My name is Dustin Frodo.

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I'm with the City Council Office.

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There are two other council staff members in the back of the room, Justin Sorenson and Listerio.

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Hi, my name is Tracy, I'm a council for the council.

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Hi, Chris Edwards with the council office.

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Chris Nichol district three, Marcy Houseman district four, Brooke Christensen district one,

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Cindy Sharkey at large, Alison Stroud district two, Erin DeKaiser at large, Brooke to see the at large.

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Hi, I'm Monica Zultanski, Sandy Mayer.

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I'm Shane Pace, City Administrator.

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Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

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Thank you.

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So on our agenda tonight we have four information items, two consent items,

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one voting item and an RDA meeting on our agenda tonight.

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We'll be taking public comment twice during this meeting, once for agenda item number seven.

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And once at six o'clock for general citizen comment for any city business, it isn't on the agenda.

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We are ready to proceed on item agenda item number one, Miss Houseman, if you would like to tee this one up for us, we appreciate that.

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Happy to, thank you, Madam Chair.

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It's my pleasure to introduce Evan Terrell.

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Yes? I got it. I reminded us all that it's tear, but then I got the second half of his last name incorrect, so I adjusted that tonight.

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I've been able to work with...

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With Evan, since his, well, actually, a very long, I loved it. Long sounded negative. Please don't take it as that. A bit of an onboarding slash, apprenticeship slash, whatever. You get to spend a good amount of time with Pam in preparing for the transition. And so I've actually been able to learn from him longer than the time he's actually been serving as executive director, director, whatever the actual title is.

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So we're thrilled to have you here tonight to get to know you a little bit and get an update about whifford

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Turn it over to him if that's okay. I'm sure

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Thank you very much council member houseman

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Good evening mayor and council members city staffs city Sandy. Thank you very much. My name is Evan Turell as Marcy mentioned

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It's on the new general manager for was at front waste and recycling districts

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provided and put together a rather robust presentation. I will not go over it in

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excruciating detail this evening. I'll kind of breathe through some items but

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please feel free to interrupts and ask questions if you have questions that I

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can help to answer along the way. A little bit about me very briefly as I've gone

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to a variety of city councils and the district's partner cities. I've spoken a

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lot about myself so I'm going to refrain from that this evening. I've been on on board

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with this organization for nearly a little over four months now, but previously,

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relevant experience I serve as the executive director for the Grand County

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Solid Waste Special Service District in Utah, and more recently as the

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Solid Waste and Fleet Services Director for the City of Flagstaff in Arizona.

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I'll continue on, and I found my clicker, so I will move for here. So what does

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This is Wassett Front Wasting Recycling District, so we are predominantly a residential trash

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and recycling collection service provider.

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We were originally created as part of the county and became a special service district,

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and now we are a special district, which is some very specific discrepancy zest of what

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those include.

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But as a special district, we are kind of an autonomous standalone government entity as a political

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subdivision of the state of Utah, providing a specific suite of services, which I already

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mentioned, is Solid Waste Collection and recycling.

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So we provide a variety of services as part of that and trying to figure out how to set

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these microphones up without creating feedback, hopefully you all can hear me appropriately.

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So we have for our residential services a base service rate, which you most probably know

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we did have a rather large increase at the beginning of 2025.

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So, we've been trying to really help to reiterate and explain what that service rate includes.

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And Woodford, as we go by our acronym, is a single enterprise fund.

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And so, this service funds our operations as a whole.

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And so, there are some supplemental services, I'll speak to very briefly.

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We service a lot of municipal buildings, which is referred to to as our special services accounts.

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But for our base residential services for which we have over 2500 homes within the Sandy service area which I'll refer to and mention later, we provide weekly trash and recycle collection service.

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We do have a container-based bulky waste collection program.

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We have a landfill voucher program where residents can sign up for those, receive those vouchers, and directly haul materials to the two landfills.

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but also to the now sandy transportation that recently opened, we've opened it up to now the sandy

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service area and others within the similar geographic region here. But a variety of other

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service that I'll skip through on the right, the chart there shows what we've collected and hauled

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since January 1 through November of 2025. So quite a bit of material, so 100,000 tons of trash

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from our curbside residential-based collection services

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over 16,000 tons of recycling and a variety of other items

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that you'll see there.

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So there are other seasonal programs,

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which I believe we do partner with Sandy City on,

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to a certain degree, the seasonal leaf bag,

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central drop-off and collection program.

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This year, through November, we had over 1,100 tons

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of leaf bags alone to be collected.

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So those seasonal and ancillary programs and services are and do reap large benefits for the residents within our service area.

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And I've been kind of trying to emphasize and kind of talk to a few other items that we do.

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So we don't actually build through our partner cities, we do all these things in house.

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So we manage accounts directly, we deal with collections, we deal with the billing.

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Everything is managed in-house, largely within our organization, of course, while

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partnering and collaborating with our various...

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And we do also offer a curbside green waste reclamation collection program as well as curbside glass. And there are, of course, as you're probably aware, central glass collection locations throughout our service area as well.

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So what is our service area? And this and providing this presentation and and generating this information is helping me learn more about the organization and our wide ranging

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and diverse service areas and so our service areas that you can see are rather large but also

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comprise a large portion of Salt Lake County. When we were originally created we were created to

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service the areas that were previously unincorporated portions of Salt Lake County and as you're all aware

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a lot of those areas have since incorporated have become new cities or becoming annexed into different

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areas within existing cities such as Sandy, Conwood Heights, Haramon for example.

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So as a whole we actually service over 86,000 homes throughout our service area.

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The chart here we wanted to look at and largely reflect what we're servicing within the

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valley and so these data exclude the canyon communities but you'll see there the yellow

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highlights are the areas that comprise our Sandy service area. So Sandy Hills, Sandy City,

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Willow Creek, Granite, and Willow Canyon. And as I mentioned earlier, about 2,500 homes are

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serviced throughout that collective Sandy service area. And then of course we do service about 1800

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homes in White City, which is a city that's entirely surrounded by Sandy City.

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areas. This is something I had to really get up to speed on and better understand. So we have a

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GIS in-house technician that puts together this map that shows the different areas that we service

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within what I'm referring to as our sandy service area. So those largely speak to themselves.

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A good portion of those areas remain unincorporated but some have incorporated into sandy city

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and in some cases into cottonwood heights as well. The our largest area that we're servicing is

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currently sandy hills and to my understanding the area still remains largely

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unincorporated, but some of the other areas including Willow Creek in some

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cases in granite have incorporated into, I'm sorry annexed into sandy as well,

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I won't speak to any further, we're just looking at our container counts, this

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kind of reflects people who have signed up for additional trash or recycling

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collection containers, but who have also opted into our green waste

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reclamation program and our glass program and so looking at this again

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excluding the canyon communities total containers that we own and service

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over 200,000 throughout our entire service area and when we're collecting our

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green waste right now we're out of season for a couple of months but when we are

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collecting that we're if people set their cans out we're touching about 200,000

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cans every week throughout solid county so rather large service area and a very

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robust operations, which I've learned our team is very capable and fully equipped and

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ready to take on what we need to in the future.

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So we've started to look at some other areas and I'll talk a little bit later about some

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cost reduction efforts and ways that we're looking to absorb cost and minimize future rate

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increases to the best of our ability.

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So we're looking at some of the various service areas.

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some of these are combined with other areas that we're servicing on the same day.

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I should have mentioned on our overall service area that map has colors that indicate

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your collection service days by those regions as well. The colors here we're

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trying to really enhance our data visualization to make sure we can kind of easily

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communicate through colors and charts and graphs. Also the oranges, what's

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representing our trash, blue is typical color for a cycle and then green being

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green waste. So we looked at our total number of households serviced and this graph on the bottom

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left only represents the cost that we incur for paying for disposal or reclamation fees. And so we

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looked at that on a graph and looked at how many households were servicing per service area or city

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or community with respect to the cost for disposal and saw very large correlations of the R-squared

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represents a 97 and a half percent correlation of those data with most of the

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cities and service areas falling directly on that line. Again, this simply

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represents disposal fees, so tipping fees which is a cost per ton basis or for

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recycling.

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There are some cities and areas that are below that line indicating that the disposal cost costs less per average as a function of household service. And in some cases are above the line. The one that sticks out the most being harrowman predominantly because we deliver directly to the transjordan landfill and the tipping fee cost proton is simply higher for us there than it is at the Salt Lake Valley.

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transportation in landfills. So that doesn't mean that those cities cost us less or more on average,

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it's just kind of looking at the correlation and relationship between the household serve and

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that the tonnages and the amount we're paying for disposal. So efficiencies and costs per

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our service area, of course, are driven by other factors such as collection density, frequency,

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the distance between our stops and collections, of course, and various other factors as to where we

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dispatch from and how we best identify and manage our operations from an efficiency perspective.

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We are also looking at a very robust cost comparison throughout the three county areas. So

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what is it? I apologize. Davis County to the north. It's all a county where we're at and Utah

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County to the south. So we're looking at various service areas and what the cost for service cost

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for different cities and communities and have recognized that naturally it's an apples-to-orges

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comparison so looking at those from a cost per month but also as to what comprises and what

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services are offered in the frequency of those services for example one of us being that we offer

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weekly recycle collection other communities offer every other week recycle collection and so on

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so forth so we're working to really build that and that's something that I'll hopefully bring back

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to all of our partner cities in the future and speak towards those in more

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details. So very engaged process to look at those items, our administrative

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manager when a plan has spent a lot of time and reviewing those, putting those

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together and making sure that we best understand and how we can best tell our

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story and communicate our services that are rendered as part of that base

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service view that I spoke about earlier.

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Profit and loss, our revenues and

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expenses. This is through third quarter only. We're still trending very much in this capacity.

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Bottom lines that our revenues have exceeded our expenses for the year and we're continuing to

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trend in that way. Some of the items that you'll see on the far right hand side, the percent of

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budget. If they're towards 100 percent or above that those are largely almost entirely have been

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completed for the years and no more expenses are being incurred on those. But doing really great on

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our personnel expenses. We've made a lot of efforts and successes in reducing

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overtime costs and looking at building and enhancing and optimizing our

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operations and making sure we're operating as efficiently as possible. So on

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the right-hand column we have implemented several cost savings measures in

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2025. A lot of these were led with my predecessor Pam Roberts, but I've kept

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that continue to be led by myself.

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So looking at a variety of ways that we can reduce costs

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and that absorb those costs were possible.

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So we have a lot of new initiatives and priorities

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and strategies we're working on in this year in 2026.

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And I'll speak to those briefly as we get towards

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the end of this presentation.

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And we are kind of still in the process

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of developing those initiatives and priorities.

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And those are things that we'll be bringing.

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I'll be bringing to Wilford's Board of Trustees here

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later this month. So within the Sandy service area we're working on trying to

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figure out a best represent these metrics. And so we have here this these two charts

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one of the left shows our entire service area through November of 2024 and

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through November of 2025. The chart on the right shows the Sandy service area

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through November of 24 and also for 2025 and so looking at potential trends or

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differences or changes largely what we're seeing this year across our service

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area is a reduction in tons overall for the materials that we're collecting it's

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not that's not a function of us having a difference in the amount of areas we're

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servicing we kind of make some assumptions here but I think most people know

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that people are this year reluctant hesitant to buy a lot of things with some uncertainties

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and market volatilities and of course ongoing increases in cost of living and inflation

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we feel like is part of people generating less materials and then ultimately throwing

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less materials out so haven't seen a ton of differences there we do have the voucher program

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on the column.

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We have a couple of questions on the two on the right, is still heavily used. Within Sandy, we had about 34 last year, 29 this year to date, that we're able to track for people who download those vouchers for the landfill use. Then our service orders, those are items where we have candor placement, repair, or something that's damaged, or a go back of some sort, those are all kind of tracks separately and independently from our overall tonnages.

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So overall, the Sandy service area,

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there was a total amount of diverted materials of about 19 percent.

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So when you're calculating waste diversion, your numerator is basically what tons of materials

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are being recovered for reclamation or recycled, so our green waste, glass, our recyclables,

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and then the denominator is a combination of that plus the material that's landfill.

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So taking that simple math, if I didn't numerate it from denominator, gets you that 19 percent.

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So Sandy City and our service area here has done very well.

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The next slide kind of shows a comparison of our different service areas.

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But above our district wide average of 18.8%, which is also great.

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Let me see if there's any other data I want to speak to here.

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Talks about the average disposal fee and processing costs.

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We're watching and tracking all those items.

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We do bring our recycling to two different materials recovery facilities where those materials

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are separated by commodity type, compressed into cubes and bales and sent up to market for

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remanufacture. So we're seeing some trends in those costs going up but we do deliver in some cases

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to the WM facility in Northwest Salt Lake County and also to the Rocky Mountain recycling facility.

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This is a little bit more central and closer in most cases so most materials from here I think

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almost entirely are going to the Rocky Mountain recycling facility but areas that we collect in the

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the northwest portion of Salt Lake County are going to WN's materials recovery facility.

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Diversionates by service area. Again, our district-wide goal and current average is about

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18.8%. So some cities that we track with some imperfection in our data, we're looking

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at optimizing the way that we're tracking some of these data. It's sometimes very difficult

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to differentiate because some of our routes do blend within our service areas. But right

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But now we're showing that Murray is as the top diversion from our service area followed

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by Mill Creek, holiday, and then Sandy's kind of right in the middle there, but above

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that orange line that represents our goal and our overall district average.

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We are working on a lot of new education outreach initiatives, and also as I mentioned data

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visualization enhancements.

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And so we just recently had put together with our team, James Kelsey whom you may or may not

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know, worked on these and built through a variety of reviews and edits between

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he and I and our team on incorporating these new recycling container guides

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and also our green waste container guides. These are on our websites.

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We're really trying to use the philosophy of, you know, green being yes,

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green as go, red as no was kind of how I've typically said it.

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But really emphasizing that these materials should not be bagged when materials

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are bagged and go to industrial materials recover facilities are very high throughput fast moving

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systems that if materials are included in bags they get tossed to the side and are considered

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contamination and ultimately end up in most cases in a landfill unfortunately. So really trying to

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educate to not bag materials and emphasize what is not accepted in those red boxes recycle being

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the universal blue color which is typical for a cycling as the green one on the left and of course

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our green waste being the one on the right and so we are accepting to some degree some food waste

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in our green waste program and a lot of other good things that are really helping to divert materials

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and the more science we get on that it does cost us more for collections but our disposal fees

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are much much less for our green waste collections but it also helps to divert that materials

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from landfills and ultimately reduce other things that are generated, landfills over time,

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such as methane and other emissions as well.

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Good evening towards the end.

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I'm not going to go into too much detail.

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So our scrap program, seasonal container reservation program, we did implement some new strategies

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in 2025 to have a tiered reservation program.

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That was overall very successful in limiting the number of repeat users throughout the year.

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So the chart of the look kind of shows the reduction in those repeat users from 2024 and for this year in 2025

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But this year we're going to be looking at means and methods to

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Potentially increase or enhance or even adjust the means and methods of this program, which

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would probably not start until 2027, but we are looking at ways this year is our emphasis

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is to grow our capacity to better meet service demand for that program as a whole. So the

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bottom right hand chart shows how we've reallocated some of our positions. We are increasing our number

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of seasonal budgeted positions. We're going to be strategizing on our recruitment and retention

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for those seasonal workers this year and ultimately trying to ramp up our containers per day which is

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that very bottom row. We've been averaging about 60 for the past three years. We're fairly comfortable

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saying that we can get at least 72 this year per day but upwards of 84 and above if we can recruit and

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retain those seasonal workers as part of this program. So excited to kind of see how that pans out

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and we're actively strategizing on that program.

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But we also did decide to temporarily pause

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our trailer fee-based program.

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Those are largely used for construction

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and other reservation programs.

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But in order to really ramp up our capacity

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for our scrap bulky waste program,

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which is provided at no additional cost

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as per our base service fee,

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we're shifting those resources this year

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to our scrap program, but we will continue to provide the trailer rental option for municipalities

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that need them for special cleanups or for co-compliance needs and so forth, but we'll also use them

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to some degree in our canyon communities because they're easier to maneuver and in some cases they're

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less accessible using our regular containers as well.

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I won't go over this. If you have questions,

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please feel free to let me know. This year I will just mention that we did service a number of

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containers totally nearly 7,500 containers throughout our entire service area during our scrap season

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and ultimately hauled and disposed of 5,869 tons for that bulky waste program alone

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for our scrap season in 2025.

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A lot of initiatives here that we have ongoing I will

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We'll breeze through these rather quickly.

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We are starting with monthly billing this month,

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so the bill that will come out in February,

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will bill for the month of January.

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So we bill in our rears.

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Traditionally, we bill on a quarterly basis,

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so we'll start billing on a monthly basis moving forward.

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And hopefully that will alleviate missed paid bills

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and have people better budget for those.

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But another reason that we're doing it

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is to make sure we have consistent cash flow

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through our organization as well.

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building quarterly. We have a big increase in cash flow and it kind of drops down and so we're

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trying to kind of level that out as well. Other cost-aves initiatives are mentioned here as well so

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we are looking at verification of missed pickups. We saved a lot of money this year by reviewing

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camera footage and limiting those return pickups as well. This year we've actually incorporated a

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late set-out return pickup fee of people choose to have us come back if their can was not set out

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of the time of service.

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We've implemented that as well,

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but we're also a big thing this year

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is towards the middle of the PowerPoint here

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as we're going to be soliciting for a line

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of service financial cost assessment

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by geographic service area

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to get a much better understanding and handle

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of our true costs by geographic service area

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and by programs or trash, recycle, and green waste as well.

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And a variety of other items here as well.

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I feel like I may be going on a little bit longer

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than I've planned for.

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so I'm going to try to speed through some of these other items as well. Operation expenses for

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2026, we are of course looking at and answering all of our programs optimizing those services and

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maintaining the highest degree of service possible given constraints from costs and our employees

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that we have with the organization. We're investing in items that are at a reduced cost that should

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to be able to retain those service levels

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or also absorbing other increased tipping fees.

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For example, at the Salt Lake Valley facilities,

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we're seeing increased repair and maintenance rates

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for our vehicles.

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We have over 56 combined diesel and CNG trucks

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that we manage and maintain, so we're looking at

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how we can reduce that, but also looking at, in some cases,

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increased fuel costs across the organization.

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This is the last time I won't go over this in much detail,

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I want to point out that these new fees that were approved by a Board of Trustees for

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2026 are meant to largely recover portions of costs that we incur for providing additional

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services with the exception of one of those items. But we do have, as I mentioned before,

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a late set-out return pick-up fee, so if we have a confirmed late set-out.

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We can offer the customer to come back if they're willing to pay a return pickup fee. We looked at that and compared to a variety of other communities that have those service rates, and we came back with $25 for that pickup. People are actually already using it, which is great. If we miss a pickup, if it's our fault, we will return at no charge. We also incur a lot of fees for recycling contamination. So we're trying to really best leverage our capabilities to keep people informed, engaged, educated.

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But also, if we have repeat offenses on that, we have, and to a certain degree of large discretionary will probably rarely use this, but at least have some sort of leverage to charge people to have excessive contamination in the recycling can repeat offenders for lack of better term.

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And we are also finally looking at ways to reduce our transaction fees for payments via

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credit cards largely.

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So we're bringing back to our board here this month and subsequent month in February

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to talk about how we can best implement and incentivize people to pay via methods that

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cost us less and incentivize that way by offering a zero transaction fee if you're paying ACH

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or automated system through your bank or for some example as opposed to paying with

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a credit card which we all know incurs a lot of fees behind the scenes and adds up to

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a lot of money very quickly.

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So that is what I've provided today and look forward to providing

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additional highlights and updates in the future. Thank you very much for your time and I'm

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happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you for that presentation. It was a very

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helpful council? Any questions? A mini-salesman?

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Not really. A question as much as I just

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want to reiterate a couple of things that we heard because it always helps to have someone

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who's observed it like confirm this really strategic approach being taken. So I love the

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emphasis you placed on increasing efficiency that really has been at the heart of the conversations

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that I've been a part of, with Whiffer, starting with Pam,

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and then of course continuing into your leadership.

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I love that, we are doing similar work,

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and so I think it's fantastic.

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And the other thing that I would emphasize as an example

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of looking for increased efficiencies is the reallocation

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of human resources, the individuals that we can reallocate

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or our resources that are like the trailer reallocation

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and that kind of thing.

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So really thinking intentionally about the best use of our resources to get at greater

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efficiency.

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So I just wanted to really just add that as a, it's been really great to see leadership

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digging into those conversations.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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Is Nickle, did you have no?

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Thank you for this presentation.

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I knew what I'd like to understand maybe just really quickly.

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You're doing some interesting things, Wilfred, is regarding trying to deal with this recycling

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contamination problem, which is persistent, it's hard to resolve, and it's costly.

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And so it looks like you're doing some interesting things that, to the best of my knowledge,

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we aren't doing in Sandy with the other company that provides services here.

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and that is to remove a recycling container

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if you have a repeat offender

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and to maybe even charge a fee.

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Can you tell, is that in play right now?

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Are you doing that on a widespread basis?

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What are you finding with that?

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Yes, thank you for the question.

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So that's something that's very new that we just,

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we haven't actually implemented it yet.

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It was approved for our 2026 fee schedule.

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So a lot of, we did a lot of research on this.

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So a variety of communities throughout the Southwest

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have a recycling contamination fee. So we do a variety of education outreach initiatives

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but we also, as was included on the PowerPoint as well, I didn't speak to it, but we have a

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quality assurance team and we have a team that also goes around with what we refer to as Ux tags.

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So the little tags that have, you hang on the handle of the recycle container, that identifies

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that people have contamination in their can. So our drivers, we're working with them to

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implement that as well. Our drivers report that back to our administrative team.

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We're tracking those and when we see repeat offenses on those, we try to

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educate first and the intense other recycling contamination fee is to avoid

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us having to go and physically remove the container. So when we remove that, we have

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no means or methods to charge for that additional service, but oftentimes within a

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matter of three to six months, we have to go and return that container, which

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that oftentimes comes at a refurbished container or a brand new container which can cost upwards

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of $70 and then we're returning that container you know of course using our labor, our vehicles,

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our equipment to bring that container back.

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So, so those are things we're looking at as to how can we better leverage instead of removing that container, can and when should we charge that contamination fee? So, variety of states are doing this. We did a lot of research throughout the Southwest, California, Nevada, Arizona, for example, and Utah and Colorado had a wide variety of contamination fees that they were charging. And so we kind of looked at that, looked at the median number of what that would, what

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would cost and again using that as sort of an incentive or in some case the

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disincentive to contaminate your recycling. So it's a combination of

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education outreach and then kind of having some degree of leverage to

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where we can help to better influence that for education outreach efforts are

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not being effective in that case. So that answer your question. Yes, I'm really

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interested to that. We interested to hear in your committee reports, how that

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That works, how effective that is.

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Thank you very much for coming, we really appreciate you.

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It's welcome, it's nice to have you as a partner.

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All right, item number two on our agenda is amendments to title 21 of the land development

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code, and we have Mike Wilcox presenting tonight.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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It's good to be back before the council, it's been a minute for myself.

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This item is a proposed amendment that is staff initiated for an area that is limited to the auto mall zone itself.

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And the auto mall zone has two sub districts, it's roughly located from 106 south,

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down to roughly 110 south between state street and the freeway.

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And within that, there's two subdistricts.

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One is for automobile commercial and an automobile dealership.

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This proposed amendment only affects the dealership subdistrict area.

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It's where we've concentrated our dealerships for the South Town automobile.

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And this was an issue that came before us where there were some land owners that had some thoughts or proposals to do other developments other than an automobile dealership.

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within that area. That news got brought up during a board meeting with the

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Audemoll District themselves and they wanted the City to act on their behalf to

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help restrict those types of uses to not denigrate the intent and the purpose

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behind the Audemoll Zone itself. And so staff has gone through and analyzed the

434
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code and found that there are some land uses that we'd like to revise in our land

435
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,560
and use matrix, which is our table of uses that are permitted, not permitted, or conditional.

436
00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:55,020
And I've proposed a few amendments to that section of code.

437
00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:59,780
The overall objective is to, again, strengthen the animal dealership area,

438
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,260
align the purpose of the dealership area to the land use codes that we have there.

439
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:12,140
And then restrict certain uses only when they're in conjunction with retail sales of a dealership.

440
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,140
Just a short summary here on this slide of some of the changes that we're proposing in

441
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that matrix, an abbreviated version of that.

442
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,480
These would be uses if they're ancillary to an automotive dealership.

443
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,500
So if an automotive dealer has these auxiliary services that they provide to their customers,

444
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:38,040
that would be fine to incorporate that with that type of use.

445
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,140
But the primary use of that facility would have to be automotive sales.

446
00:38:44,850 --> 00:38:52,870
And then on this slide it kind of indicates some of the land uses that we found that would not be compatible or should no longer be allowed in that district.

447
00:38:53,530 --> 00:39:00,370
And so we're proposing changes to these uses within the sub-district of the animal district.

448
00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:03,850
This has gone before the planning commission.

449
00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:13,170
The Planning Commission gave a unanimous recommendation to the City Council to adopt this proposed change, and we'll be back to the City Council next week with the Normans.

450
00:39:14,050 --> 00:39:15,710
Any questions that you have for us?

451
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:19,570
Councilmember D'Souza, please.

452
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:21,330
Thank you, Madam Chair.

453
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:31,270
I am just wondering if you have, I don't know that you have it available now because I don't see it in the presentation, but more of a map representation of the automobile district.

454
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:34,210
I don't have it in the presentation, but I can bring it next week.

455
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:52,310
Okay, if you'd even provide it after the meeting to all of us beforehand, that would be helpful, because I, in order for me to really understand some of the proposed changes or how they may affect, you know, other things in addition to the businesses in the automaw area, I'd like to understand the boundaries.

456
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:53,670
Sure, I can definitely do that.

457
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:54,330
Okay, thank you.

458
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,240
Mr. Dekai, sir.

459
00:39:57,780 --> 00:39:59,800
Thank you madam chair. What's the thought behind?

460
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:14,660
And eliminating the rental and leasing agencies. Would that get rid of the current, the one that's currently there? It's not within, it's in the commercial sub-district. Okay. So it's not within the dealerships of districts. Great. Thank you. The

461
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:21,290
questions council.

462
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:27,690
Looks like we have now. I will follow up with a map and I'll bring that to you here shortly. Perfect. Thank you.

463
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:39,600
I know the next one is going to be lengthy.

464
00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:44,260
That's the office space issue.

465
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:50,220
So I'm going to suggest that instead of putting off public comment for a lengthy period

466
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:53,480
of time, that we just recessed for five minutes and then come back.

467
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Madam Chair, may I?

468
00:40:57,860 --> 00:41:03,120
I think you're welcome to begin public comment, if you'd like, as long as we go past 6 p.m.

469
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,800
which I know you have a couple of cards, so I'm going to guess that we'll be past 6 p.m.

470
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:09,980
Okay, it's good to do that.

471
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:11,140
Start public comment now.

472
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:11,620
Okay.

473
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:12,600
All right.

474
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,280
Mr. Prado, if you will go ahead and tell members of the public

475
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,840
both in the chambers and online,

476
00:41:19,020 --> 00:41:20,460
how to go ahead and make a public comment.

477
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,840
Of course, thank you Madam Chair.

478
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:23,760
If you're joining us here in the chambers

479
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,860
and you'd like to comment on any city business,

480
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:28,200
there are some blue cards at the back of the room.

481
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Fill one out and you can just run it up to me.

482
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:32,000
And I'm happy to provide it to the chair.

483
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,500
If you are joining us virtually and you'd like to comment,

484
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:39,340
And once we get through our in-person commenters, we'll move to our virtual commenters.

485
00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:43,360
You can go ahead and click the Raise Hand button on your screen.

486
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:46,940
And we'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand.

487
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:51,340
And each commenter will have up to three minutes for their comment.

488
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,240
So Madam Chair, I know you have some cards.

489
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:54,040
I'll turn it over to you.

490
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:57,560
Thank you.

491
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:01,420
Aaron Dixon will be our first commenter.

492
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,220
You will have three minutes to share your comments with the council.

493
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:07,060
Hello,

494
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,180
Council. I am a residents of Sandy. There is a parcel on

495
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:23,340
Segallilly N-13th next to the Sandy Library. The city initially denied the

496
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:28,140
proposal of a dense development and a judge overturned that ruling. It's been

497
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:34,100
all over the news and Facebook. I'm actually thrilled that the judge overturned

498
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:40,860
it. I would very much like to see more housing in our city. I believe we should

499
00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:46,860
include as much housing here as we possibly can. There are a lot of concerns when it comes

500
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:53,480
to housing and less housing is not going to fix any of those concerns. We have more

501
00:42:53,480 --> 00:43:00,480
people coming, growing families, tourists, we have the Olympics, and the growth is not

502
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,440
going to stop.

503
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,260
I come to you today because I am concerned for myself but also for my children

504
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:18,780
and for the future residents. For all humans it is nice to have what we want but it is better to have what we need.

505
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:28,480
Many people complain about putting in more housing but it is what we need and even if the loud voices don't want it.

506
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:36,360
Because of the low supply and high demand I personally cannot afford to move from my house.

507
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:47,340
Even though my husband and I both work that we both have college degrees, and my children,

508
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,480
when they move out in 10 years, I don't know if they can afford to live anywhere but

509
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,040
with us.

510
00:43:54,330 --> 00:44:01,150
We could not even afford to buy our own home with a 3% interest rate now, if

511
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:03,750
it was the first time home-buyer experience.

512
00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:08,170
We're returning to the development on Segalili in 13th.

513
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:13,230
I'm disappointed that the council, not all of you are on the council at the time, denied

514
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:13,550
it.

515
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:15,910
It is an excellent placement for density.

516
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:22,270
People will be able to walk to school, elementary and junior high, a gym, a grocery store, restaurants,

517
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:23,430
and the library.

518
00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:25,110
I look forward to its construction.

519
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:31,590
I don't know how many open places there are for density in a city, but I plead with you

520
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:34,930
to advocate for as much housing wherever possible.

521
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:39,170
We don't have to have big open spaces for housing.

522
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:43,630
More ADUs, single-family homes can become duplexes.

523
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:50,510
Just smaller properties, sizes, and existing mixed use homes

524
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:55,230
on top of businesses, whatever you and the brilliant city

525
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:59,750
planning staff can do to just put in little bits of housing

526
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:59,950
Thank you.

527
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:27,260
Here and there, whatever it takes to just get in little bits here and there. I have faith in you as my city representatives to work with each other and with city staff to make Sandy a safe, healthy, vibrant place where people can live in the future. Thank you for your attention and your support and your dedication to the residents in this city. Thank you, Mr. Dixon. Next is Rebecca Colley.

528
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Hi, Rebecca Colley. Sandy.

529
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:53,360
Volunteer citizens such as myself involved in the Salt Lake County Tax Referendum effort are working tirelessly to inform people of a higher tax burden that was rammed through right before Christmas.

530
00:45:54,380 --> 00:46:03,880
We're hoping all county residents and for me, Sandy residents will be given the opportunity to vote on a near 15% property tax increase.

531
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Today, Sandy City denied a reasonable accommodation request for a paraplegic who strongly believes in this referendum effort, but cannot go door to door, nor should she be subjected to the elements.

532
00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:26,240
She has been cast out by our county and our state government and by our city government.

533
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:35,700
When she simply sought to gather constituent signatures, constituent of yours quietly in the atrium of our building.

534
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:43,860
It is apparent that the city councils across the county have all gotten the memo on what to do to discourage its citizens.

535
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:55,660
It would appear that all of you are working to push through this without letting your constituents know or have the benefit of informed consent on raising our tax burdens.

536
00:46:55,660 --> 00:47:03,760
Citizens, Sandy City continues to throw obstacles up prohibiting the people who pay their salaries.

537
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:13,920
Regardless of ability or disability, this is our city hall and it is a place where we should be able to meet other citizens and neighbors.

538
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:22,910
We're doing this to inform people everyone we speak with thanks us profusely.

539
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:27,590
This cuts across all parties and impacts every one of us.

540
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:33,870
I'm curious to find out if we have a disability advocate in our Sandy government.

541
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:39,830
I don't see how people can equally participate if our own government won't provide accommodations.

542
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:49,170
This is not a fair and just way to govern and anyone involved instead shutting out their constituents should be ashamed.

543
00:47:49,170 --> 00:48:00,770
My favorite quote out of the Bible by Marcus Aurelius is the impediment to action advances

544
00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:01,810
the action.

545
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:06,350
What stands in your way becomes the way.

546
00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:11,830
This is a 100% volunteer, unpaid effort.

547
00:48:11,830 --> 00:48:19,150
We are resilient and we will not give up obstacles do not block the path

548
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:25,110
Obstacles are the path. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Collie

549
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:26,930
Mr. Butters

550
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:27,750
How

551
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:43,470
are you new city council people?

552
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:51,490
Thank you Brett for sitting down with me and talking to me about my concerns. I appreciate that for district one

553
00:48:52,690 --> 00:48:58,350
My concerns, I have talked to some of the city council, was what can we do on the semi-parking?

554
00:48:59,070 --> 00:49:01,690
How can we do better to help the truck driver's out?

555
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:08,010
If I park on the side road for 2-1, I can get a ticket.

556
00:49:09,730 --> 00:49:15,170
We need to look at putting it for 48 hours like the pink slip stays on the truck parking.

557
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:22,090
because what if I'm home having a break and I have to hit the road in two days?

558
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:28,670
I'm away from my family. You guys get to stay home. It's the truck driver. It's

559
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:38,110
the backbone of this country. The other concerns I have is we do have the

560
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:44,910
homeless population parking and there is a rule about someone brought that up to

561
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:50,030
me day to day sharky did. There is a rule about no campers parking on

562
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:55,710
side road. There's two. One down there by the Fardos Fire Station, the new one.

563
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:59,130
There's one over on office Davis Street somewhere.

564
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Sleep in there. How can we make Sandy a lot better to be safe for our families? That's where my concerns are. And I have a concern for you mayor. You told me last time when you called me and I will say this nicely. You said you will have your secretary get a hold of me to set up appointment. I am still waiting for that appointment time. You work for us.

565
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:34,600
I would like to sit down with any city council people at once to work on this truck parking

566
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,220
and the situation.

567
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:43,180
I've talked to my district leader and I've talked to many people in this situation to

568
00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:44,700
help the truck drivers out.

569
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:50,120
If it's not for the truck drivers, what can we do to get the clothes on our back?

570
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:51,500
Anything.

571
00:50:53,020 --> 00:51:00,680
I'm actually have to force to go back over the road truck driving in three more months because I can't find a local job.

572
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:09,500
I have to hit the road to make money for my family. That's my concern. Thank you.

573
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,660
Thank you, Mr. Butters. And Charlotte Jordan.

574
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:14,860
Hello,

575
00:51:21,340 --> 00:51:24,740
honoured councilmembers, my name is Charlotte Jordan,

576
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,820
Past Chair of the American West Symphony

577
00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:30,340
and currently Director of Development.

578
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:37,300
I also have been very involved with the Sister City Program,

579
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,080
particularly Risa, and I want to give you a little update.

580
00:51:43,580 --> 00:51:46,040
And I want to tell you about some exciting things

581
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,120
that are going to happen.

582
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:54,900
And for those of you who are not familiar, the Risa's sister city program was started just

583
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:57,460
after the Olympics in 2002.

584
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:07,960
And after that, York Richter and Trombone player of the Elpland Symphony, or it's officially

585
00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:15,080
the Elpland Philharmonic Saxum, performed with a youth group twice in Sandy.

586
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:25,260
And then, at the 10th anniversary, I was invited to come and go with a small ensemble

587
00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:27,840
to re-resign, and I performed over there.

588
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:36,920
And while I was there, I made contact with the Alpine Symphony Saxony, which is a professional

589
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:44,880
orchestra, and that was the beginning of a very fruitful culture exchange, more than 50

590
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,980
15 musicians of the Mac and West over the years have performed in Risa.

591
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:52,680
We held a conductor's exchange.

592
00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:58,320
We had the conductor of the output performed here in Sandy.

593
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:06,600
And then during the 600 year celebration of Risa, can you imagine 600 years?

594
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:12,540
I went with seven musicians to Risa.

595
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:17,000
and they performed with the orchestra over there.

596
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:23,200
Can you imagine what an honor that was for a community orchestra member to perform with

597
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,920
a professional at Stinfini?

598
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:34,940
I'm very pleased to announce that Jörg Jörg Wissrichter contacted me and he will be here the

599
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:41,680
first week of July and he will bring his best friend, the principal tombor and player

600
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:51,840
of the Elton Symphony. They will arrive on June 30th, and I just found out today that

601
00:53:51,840 --> 00:54:00,380
the Pox Concert is scheduled tentative on June 28th, so they will miss it, which would

602
00:54:00,380 --> 00:54:08,420
be very unfortunate because those musicians can't wait to perform with us. So I'm here

603
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:18,400
to let you know about that and my hope is that that date can be rescheduled so we can

604
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,740
invite those musicians to perform this to America, West Symphony. It will be a tremendous

605
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:32,200
honor for them. And I hope we can also be part of the force of July parade with the

606
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,220
Risa, Sandy, Banner.

607
00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:35,440
That would be awesome.

608
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:36,640
Thank you.

609
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:37,700
Thank you, Mr. Jordan.

610
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:38,820
Thank you for that report.

611
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,500
I have no more blue cards.

612
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:46,480
Mr. Frato, would you like to invite our online participants?

613
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,500
Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

614
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:51,100
Just a reminder, if you're joining us virtually via Zoom,

615
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:52,820
and you'd like to comment, go ahead and click

616
00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:55,500
the raise hand button on your screen now,

617
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:58,040
and I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand.

618
00:54:58,880 --> 00:54:59,960
Madam Chair, we've got

619
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:11,280
We've got Doug Wismer with his hand raised. Mr. Wismer, let me allow you to begin speaking. Please remember to unmute yourself and you'll have three minutes.

620
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:19,720
Hi, everyone. Hi, fellow residents in city council and Madam Mayor.

621
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:31,160
I came here to speak about one thing and I forgot to go up and I'll get to that in just a second, but I have a couple comments.

622
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,060
And first of all, all the participation is great.

623
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,780
One thing I've noticed about coming to the city council meeting is that it seems like

624
00:55:40,780 --> 00:55:46,960
there honestly really is not the kind of citizen engagement that I would hope for.

625
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,440
So tonight I saw something different and I think that's great.

626
00:55:51,440 --> 00:56:00,900
I also want to thank and second Miss Dixon's comments about advocating for more housing.

627
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,920
Yes, that was all over the news.

628
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:08,440
And I too applauded the judge for overturning that.

629
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:16,560
You know, as a resident of Sandy and actually, you know, I'll call myself an older individual.

630
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:22,020
Well, I find that there's a lot of protectionism

631
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,180
in the city that I find, you know,

632
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:28,180
I'm not a fan of that.

633
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,180
If myth Dixon, if you're still in the room,

634
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,340
I'm about 10 years ahead of you.

635
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,820
My boys are in their 20s, their builders,

636
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,980
they have to go to Park City to find work

637
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:46,060
work, or actually get paid well, I'll say.

638
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:52,120
There's a lot of unfinished projects here in Sandy, and I quite frankly, I think it's

639
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,420
because there's a lot of corrections.

640
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,720
And now I'm going to get to what I came to talk about, which is the gondola.

641
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:06,500
Also, very protectionist, there was a lot of disinformation in the mayor campaign last

642
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:06,960
summer.

643
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:15,660
things like a $1,200 line item bill on your taxes for the gondola. That's a simply false.

644
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:26,660
And folks on the City Council, I hope you're aware, but if you're not, UDOT has extended

645
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:32,540
the comment period for what they're calling big cottonwood, but this all flows together.

646
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:39,800
It looks like what's going to happen is this mobility hub is going to go with the base of big cottonwood.

647
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:51,900
They're going to discontinue buff service and Sandy, meaning as a Sandy resident who lives right around 9400 South, which is a straight shot of little cottonwood.

648
00:57:51,900 --> 00:58:01,700
Can you? I need to traverse my way through cottonwood heights to now get on a bus to go up

649
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:11,160
little cottonwood. And I can't help think that this is all because Sandy is still in this lawsuit

650
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:20,880
over the gondola. The proposed gondola will go in if it ever happens. We'll go in where the

651
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:28,580
is on my screen right now I have Google Maps or actually Google or looking at the

652
00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:34,100
LeCai property. Mr. Wizard, we've met the three-minute limit. You're afraid to

653
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,780
come back another time. We'd love to hear from you or you can certainly write us

654
00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:41,960
an email and we'd love to all read it. Thank you. Sure sounds good. Thank you.

655
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,240
And I'm sure I don't see any other hands raised. Same. We'll close public comment on

656
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:01,170
And this item, and we will move back to the, which is information item number three.

657
00:59:01,530 --> 00:59:03,990
Dan Nelson, welcome to the podium.

658
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,700
Thank you Madam Chair.

659
00:59:18,020 --> 00:59:19,200
It's the one to your left, Dan.

660
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:20,840
There you go.

661
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:21,780
Okay.

662
00:59:26,570 --> 00:59:33,710
Yes, so today we're here to talk about Sandy City's office space and some needs for additional office space.

663
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:39,770
And I thought we would start by giving a little bit of a rundown of the office space that we currently have.

664
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:59,330
and some needs that we feel like we do that we have for additional space, and then lay out a few different alternatives for the City Council to consider and focus, especially on the Arbor building, which is the L-shaped building just right next door, that the City currently has under contract and is in due diligence.

665
01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:20,280
So, yeah, we're going to lay out a few alternatives. We have Brian and Martin who will answer some specific questions about different parts of this challenge, and then possibly Casey also as it relates to the RDA. So, anyway, I thought we could jump into the current office space.

666
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:32,080
So, currently, there's three main buildings, you know, City Hall, the Justice Building and the Parks and Rec Building, which total 140

667
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:40,640
32,000 square feet. And this is less common area of about 32,000, 33,000 square feet with

668
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,660
a usable space of 109,500 square feet.

669
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:50,060
For today's discussion, and I know there's a lot

670
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:55,720
of fondness for the parks and rec building. Looking long-term, I think there's a general

671
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,940
consensus that that's not a long-term solution for office space, just given some of the challenges.

672
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:07,060
So if we subtract that, we are left with usable space of around 91,000 square feet.

673
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:14,740
This is the office space requirements that we have.

674
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,580
And for most of these categories, we've just, if it seems like it's adequate, so far

675
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:24,540
we've just said that they're, they're required space is the same as the current space.

676
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:32,240
But you can see the three departments where, where there's a pretty big gap, our police,

677
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,600
Police, Parks and Rec, and Arts Guild.

678
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:43,800
Police, they're using space in the lower level of City Hall, and then also in the lower level of the Justice Building.

679
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:50,240
But there's still short square footage, and then Parks and Rec and the Arts Guild also.

680
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:54,300
Any questions up to this point?

681
01:01:54,300 --> 01:02:13,270
I'm going to insert one, so the need of police, 46,360, 9,000 of that, that's a need of 19,000 over what they have now.

682
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:21,570
Are we to read this that 9,000 of that 19,000 square feet need has already been met in the Justice Court building?

683
01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:29,670
Well, I think the columns on the right, you see there's a line under the Justice Building, see the total above.

684
01:02:30,290 --> 01:02:32,070
We tried to break this down by building.

685
01:02:32,810 --> 01:02:42,110
So if you look at, you know, police has 27,000 feet in city hall, but then if you jump down, they have 9,000 square feet in the Justice Building.

686
01:02:42,670 --> 01:02:48,190
So they need another 9,000, not 19,000 on top of that.

687
01:02:48,190 --> 01:02:50,330
That's right, yeah, 9 or 10,000.

688
01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:56,170
The square footage in the Parks and Rec Building, that includes the gym, correct?

689
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:58,730
Not just the office portion of, but the gym as well.

690
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:59,330
That's correct.

691
01:03:01,370 --> 01:03:02,430
The art's guild.

692
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:08,770
So what I'm curious about on the art's guild, the art's guild for the most part is a committee that meets.

693
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:10,970
And obviously, they just need a meeting room.

694
01:03:11,550 --> 01:03:23,390
So, I'm assuming that this 6600 square feet, additionally, that they need, is that a practice stage, is that what it is?

695
01:03:23,610 --> 01:03:23,730
Okay.

696
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:29,050
Chair, yes, that's exactly right.

697
01:03:29,170 --> 01:03:34,330
There's about 3,700 square feet that they're estimating that they would like for some rehearsal space.

698
01:03:34,650 --> 01:03:38,810
We have that wonderful partnership with the school district, Formount Jordan, but

699
01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:43,370
But what we don't have is we don't have space for our community arts group to practice.

700
01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:44,710
And so that would be adding that.

701
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:56,110
We've had this discussion before this need for rehearsal space is not a, that's not a brand new ask.

702
01:03:56,910 --> 01:04:01,410
But it was told to us before that it was just, it's a certain kind of need.

703
01:04:01,510 --> 01:04:03,770
It's not just any square footage, right?

704
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:08,210
So they need, it needs to be uninstructed by pillars or walls.

705
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:10,790
It needs to have a certain ceiling height.

706
01:04:11,310 --> 01:04:18,390
Are we, I just want to make sure, if that's what we're looking to find is 6,600 square feet for them,

707
01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:22,790
that we're looking for the right kind of square footage and it can't just be any square footage.

708
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:29,310
You're exactly right, Merle, Marsh has done a wonderful job and we have about 2,600 free,

709
01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:38,150
unobstructed, high ceiling of main columns that we would look for and just over a thousand of other space on top of that.

710
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:42,210
So, yes, very detailed type of space that we're trying to look for.

711
01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:45,110
Ms. Christensen, where are they practicing now?

712
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:47,850
Wherever they can find.

713
01:04:48,110 --> 01:04:49,110
Like not the gym.

714
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:53,790
At Mount Jordan is really where they try and work into the school there,

715
01:04:53,850 --> 01:04:57,230
but it's challenging with all the activities to happen there,

716
01:04:57,250 --> 01:04:59,410
but that is their main place of rehearsal.

717
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,520
Okay. Thank you. Ms. Nichol. Do they ever practice in the gym at Parks and Rec? They have in the past,

718
01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:16,080
but currently they are not because we're utilizing that while out the canyon is being reconstructed,

719
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:21,260
and so it's programmed and active. So in the past they have, but currently no.

720
01:05:21,660 --> 01:05:28,240
We just for administration on, for my opinion, I don't see this as in need, the art skilled space.

721
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:34,900
So going further, when we discuss this, I'm going to be subtracting that out of there

722
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:40,660
because I don't feel it is a necessity to have that versus it is a necessity to have

723
01:05:40,660 --> 01:05:45,180
square footage for PDE and other departments that are pretty much full-time, just my opinion

724
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:45,960
on that perspective.

725
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:46,580
No.

726
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:47,560
Let's

727
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:50,460
move ahead Dan.

728
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:51,020
Okay.

729
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:55,670
All right.

730
01:05:55,810 --> 01:06:02,310
So this just summarizes what we've said before, yeah police for about 10,000 square feet

731
01:06:02,310 --> 01:06:15,270
We have short parks and rec, and this is subtracting the parks and rec building that will leave us 23,000 square feet short in the art scale, 7,800 square feet short for a total of about 41,000 square feet.

732
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:25,390
This is based on current needs and doesn't take into account the possibility for future growth, you know, which we've estimated about 5%.

733
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:32,790
So that's the challenge for the current city's need for additional office space.

734
01:06:37,940 --> 01:06:43,540
So we've considered four different expansion alternatives, and I think the council is somewhat

735
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:48,600
familiar with each of these, but I'm happy that we can walk through one at a time and answer

736
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:49,700
question on each of them.

737
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,780
The Arbor Plaza Office Building, again, that's the one next door.

738
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,500
Crescent View Middle School, that's near the south part of the city.

739
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:04,340
post office building just south of the Justice Building and then an expansion of the Justice Building itself.

740
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:18,510
So the first off alternative is the post office building, 31,000 square feet, 14,750 unoccupied.

741
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:24,110
There's currently one tenant in there, which is the post office on at least.

742
01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:33,110
So that, you know, the advantages of that are location, it's close to City Hall, but

743
01:07:33,630 --> 01:07:39,190
you know, it's not on the block of City Hall, you know, so it's not like it's right on site.

744
01:07:40,810 --> 01:07:43,110
There's a question about the future parking there.

745
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:49,330
If you drive by, there's an older parking structure there, but this whole block has plans to be redeveloped.

746
01:07:49,330 --> 01:07:54,630
And I have doubts about the timing for having that parking lot completed.

747
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:57,910
So anyway, that's a concern there.

748
01:07:59,410 --> 01:08:01,530
Timing, it doesn't need substantial renovation.

749
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:08,670
And then also, yeah, just the funding for that building would be, you know, some RDA funds.

750
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:11,570
I have RDA funds.

751
01:08:11,570 --> 01:08:23,230
So I'm just looking to find out there's another item on the agenda that converts this property

752
01:08:23,230 --> 01:08:28,880
to an HTRZ as a future action.

753
01:08:29,740 --> 01:08:36,080
So if this becomes part of an HTRZ, does that create a prohibition on using RDA funds

754
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:36,780
for the purchase?

755
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:38,700
And are you talking the post office building?

756
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:38,960
Yes.

757
01:08:39,380 --> 01:08:40,040
Madam Chair.

758
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:41,480
No.

759
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:45,980
We can use, we can still use it.

760
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,800
We can specifically use HTRZ funds within that.

761
01:08:49,180 --> 01:09:00,660
But if we can show that the HTRZ benefits, the RDA, excuse me,

762
01:09:00,740 --> 01:09:02,540
then we can still use those funds.

763
01:09:02,540 --> 01:09:08,020
So, we can still use the funds, even if we amend it and take it out, but because there's

764
01:09:08,020 --> 01:09:13,500
still a fund balance within the RDA, we can still potentially use that funding for that.

765
01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:14,640
Interesting.

766
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:15,200
Okay.

767
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:22,960
So, you just said, if we can prove that the HTRZ benefits the RDA, we can use RDA funds

768
01:09:23,530 --> 01:09:27,160
for this purchase, even though it's in an HTRZ.

769
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:49,880
If within certain project areas, if you can show a nexus or a benefit from one project area to another, or let's not even say that a project, a piece of property that's outside a project area by developing that improving that if it benefits the project area, and you can show a direct benefit to the project area, then you can use that funding for it.

770
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,120
So, if this was the develop or use it and you could show a direct benefit even though

771
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,460
it would be outside the project area, you could potentially use funds inside the project

772
01:09:58,460 --> 01:09:59,640
area or the HTRZ.

773
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,600
Okay. That is good to know.

774
01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:06,260
Looks like we can move on. Okay.

775
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:33,750
All right. The next alternative is the Crescent View Middle School. This is a property that's been surplus by the Canyon School District, and by statute, the city has a first try to purchase it out of praise value. There have been two appraisals done, which are wildly disparate. The average of them is around 12.5 million. We're currently waiting on a third appraisal, which should be done.

776
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:41,190
hopefully this week. Yeah, a few things to consider on this building. It is adjacent to Crescent Park,

777
01:10:41,770 --> 01:10:47,950
which is a city park. Building use, you know, there's a portion that's

778
01:10:47,950 --> 01:10:56,510
gymnasium, that's cafeteria, there's a Kiva, which is like an amphitheater use,

779
01:10:56,930 --> 01:11:00,390
and then just a lot of classroom space. It's a very very large building.

780
01:11:00,390 --> 01:11:07,010
And I think funding for this would likely come from a bond if you were to decide to take

781
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:07,990
a run in this property.

782
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:13,810
You know, then one component is you could use all our part of the building.

783
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:20,610
You know, maybe the parts of the property that you don't use could be sold for development,

784
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:23,570
for housing, or open space.

785
01:11:25,050 --> 01:11:26,890
So, anyway, that's an alternative.

786
01:11:26,890 --> 01:11:28,050
The

787
01:11:32,370 --> 01:11:39,510
third alternative that we've considered is an expansion of the Justice Building, basically

788
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:41,690
adding more space through addition and renovation.

789
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:47,170
There's a study done that looked at adding 6,000 square feet, adding on to this building for

790
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:54,850
police, and then renovating the basement and some of the lobbies to remove some of the atrium

791
01:11:54,850 --> 01:11:57,250
and put that into usable square footage.

792
01:11:57,750 --> 01:12:01,030
You know, obviously the location here is great.

793
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:03,350
It's right next to, you know, it's on our campus.

794
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:06,570
City already owns it, so that's not a question.

795
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:09,710
You know, the funding question here would be the bond.

796
01:12:10,090 --> 01:12:13,570
And I think the study that was done showed that adding space

797
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:16,910
or removing some of the atrium and adding usable space

798
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:18,430
there would be pretty expensive.

799
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:22,250
So, anyway, that's a question.

800
01:12:22,970 --> 01:12:24,350
The other challenge with this property

801
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:29,910
property it would be the staging of it you know if you pull people out of there to remodel it

802
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:36,470
you know where you're going to put the tenants currently in there so anyway that's that's the

803
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:45,820
third alternative with what happened any questions okay this last one is the Arbor Plaza office

804
01:12:45,820 --> 01:12:52,180
building 66,000 square feet the city currently has that under contract at the price of 12 million

805
01:12:52,180 --> 01:13:00,060
dollars. You know the location is great, it's on our campus here. The funding, this would

806
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:07,680
be some creative funding, it would be a combination of an RDA, block of money, income from the

807
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:15,560
leases which would pay the payments on a bond. And you know, some considerations, the

808
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:20,760
buildings in great condition, we've had our people going through it in detail and you

809
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,980
you know, there's a couple minor things, but nothing major.

810
01:13:23,220 --> 01:13:26,420
It's a very, you know, class B plus office building.

811
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:30,620
You know, and I think the timing would be great because,

812
01:13:30,700 --> 01:13:32,920
you know, potentially, we could use it very quickly.

813
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:35,540
So I thought we could run through some of the details

814
01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:40,180
on the Arbor office building, and then we can answer questions.

815
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:44,380
So our current contract, these are the details of the contract.

816
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,700
The purchase price is $12 million with $100,000

817
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:57,940
of earnest money. The timing here that we'd anticipated a bond parameters resolution vote which

818
01:13:57,940 --> 01:14:03,940
would take place next Tuesday and that and Brian can lay out the details of that but that would be

819
01:14:03,940 --> 01:14:10,740
a you know giving approval to go and pursue this bond financing. The final vote on the purchase

820
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:19,420
this would happen February 17th about, you know, month away, which would be before the

821
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:24,640
due diligence deadline of February 19th. After that point, the city's $100,000 would become

822
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,940
non-refundable and then anticipated closing day would be March 2nd.

823
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:33,440
Any questions up until now?

824
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,700
Mr. Susa. Thank you. My question actually, I should have asked it at the last slide,

825
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:44,100
and I don't know if you have the answer to this, but I'm hoping that somebody here does,

826
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:51,140
But the question about, oh my gosh, the Justice Building Expansion and the cost to renovate

827
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:53,580
that along with the police atrium area.

828
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,880
It was expensive, but does anybody here know the approximate cost that we were quoted

829
01:14:58,880 --> 01:14:59,960
when that was looked into?

830
01:15:00,850 --> 01:15:10,530
Yeah, it was for moving the police department into that building, and it was adding 6,000 square feet and revamping the building, and it was $15 million. That

831
01:15:12,990 --> 01:15:34,580
was just one bid or one person's. That was the estimate by the engineering firm. I mean, by the architectural firm who did this study. Okay, thank you. And all we could get was 6,000 square feet, $15 million. That did 6,000 square feet.

832
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:41,960
addition and that also did some renovations to the atrium area which increased usable space to what?

833
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:49,380
Overall usable space meaning floor space that we could use for office, right? So total, do you know? I don't

834
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:06,280
So this is the current layout and the vacant suites and by the time we

835
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,960
By the time the city would take ownership on March 2nd

836
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,980
And this is the layout that it would have, the yellow would be the vacant suites.

837
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:24,040
There's one tenant that just vacated and another tenant that is kind of on its way out.

838
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:31,880
But in essence, if we took title March 2nd, we would have a total of almost 16,000 square

839
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,200
feet occupied by city departments.

840
01:16:37,740 --> 01:16:40,660
Ms. D'Souza, which tenant is on its way out?

841
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:50,340
I think they vacated in December and then porch financial, they've put their space, this

842
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:54,580
has been reported to me but they've put their space up for sublease and are looking

843
01:16:54,580 --> 01:16:55,040
to leave.

844
01:16:56,660 --> 01:17:00,900
I think we may, we're still in due diligence here so we're still finding out some details

845
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:05,360
on that but for now we've kind of underwritten it as though it's vacant.

846
01:17:07,020 --> 01:17:12,600
Okay, but if they were to sub-lease, then that would at least cover their lease payments

847
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,660
through the date that you have here, is that accurate?

848
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:20,000
Potentially, but you know, this is something that we are still researching, and you know,

849
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,880
we would do this before we would waive due diligence.

850
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:23,100
Okay, thanks.

851
01:17:29,220 --> 01:17:35,780
So this brings back the chart about missing space overall, and then possibly how it would

852
01:17:35,780 --> 01:17:37,480
fit into the arbor building.

853
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:45,540
You know, obviously the 16,000 square feet does not get all of the 41,000 square feet of missing space.

854
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:51,640
But, you know, there are some advantages, and the nice thing about this is it could happen fairly quickly.

855
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:59,760
Three scenarios, and I will say that I think, you know, in my opinion, the first two are probably not the best.

856
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,960
The third one is the best scenario here.

857
01:18:02,700 --> 01:18:07,240
scenario one police moves to the arbor building, they just expand right into

858
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:13,900
there. I think there's been some concern kind of just anecdotally about

859
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:19,520
mixing, you know, police with general office tenants that it might have a

860
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,940
chilling effect on some tenants, either to renew their leases or to, you know,

861
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:30,160
shop it to new tenants. Anyway, and also that building to its credit has a lot of

862
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,700
windows and I don't know how secure it is for police needs.

863
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,700
The second option, you know, we move the RDA and the community development and public

864
01:18:39,700 --> 01:18:44,740
utilities into the Arbor building and the police expands into the main floor of City Hall.

865
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,320
Anyway, and I think there's some concerns with that about moving some of those departments

866
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:55,100
out of City Hall and, you know, the Council may weigh in on some of that too.

867
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:14,940
Anyway, and the last one would be to move the current occupants from the bottom level of the Justice Building over into the Arbor Building, and then that base or the lower level of the Justice Building could be renovated and ready to provide the additional police space.

868
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:23,160
Who exactly is in that bottom level of the justice building currently?

869
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:28,490
You've got the prosecutor's office right there.

870
01:19:28,650 --> 01:19:33,250
You've got the real-time crime unit.

871
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:44,760
You have the internal investigations, you've got the victim advocates group.

872
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:54,180
You've got the Fasten who does septid standards for the department.

873
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,820
I think there's one of the personally I can't remember which one it is.

874
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:17,370
I think the only one that you missed, did you see the prosecutor's office? Yes. So prosecutors, some sergeant offices, real time crime center, victim advocates, clerks. Oh, that's on the second floor. That's it.

875
01:20:20,780 --> 01:20:28,060
Okay, so trying to really wrap my head around all of the proposed scenarios and really understand

876
01:20:28,060 --> 01:20:28,740
them completely.

877
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,740
Number three, so that was one of my questions was who are those and then the second

878
01:20:33,740 --> 01:20:40,060
part of my question would be after remodel and modifications and I'm assuming that the

879
01:20:40,060 --> 01:20:44,520
cost of that scenario wasn't included in anything that we're seeing tonight so there would be

880
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,400
cost on top of the purchase of the arbor building to make that feasible.

881
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:56,800
Yeah, there would be some additional costs.

882
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:03,480
The 15 million that was quoted to move the police over there, it was through EDA architects,

883
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:11,060
one person, one company looking at that, but short answer, yeah, there would be some additional

884
01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:11,380
costs.

885
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:12,040
Okay.

886
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,140
And then last question.

887
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:15,320
and in Sonari number two, public utilities,

888
01:21:15,980 --> 01:21:20,440
sorry, one second, aren't they already planning

889
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,660
to move out of City Hall into their facility

890
01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:25,660
off of 90th?

891
01:21:25,860 --> 01:21:26,000
Yes.

892
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,580
So why would we suggest that they would move

893
01:21:31,580 --> 01:21:32,520
into the arbor building?

894
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:35,880
That's still up right now.

895
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,020
It's arbor buildings, one option going over to their space

896
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:47,540
the space over near 90th is another option as well, so it's just we're focused on

897
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:54,120
moving them out so that there would be different opportunities for people to move around, so.

898
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,780
That's all that I have right now.

899
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,160
Can I ask, this may be a date there?

900
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:10,200
So the four departments, so if we empty the bottom level of the justice building,

901
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:16,040
four departments, prosecutors, RTCC, Internal Investigations Victims Advocate.

902
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,360
I mean, are they occupying 15,000 square feet now?

903
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,400
I guess I'm guessing no.

904
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,200
So, they won't fill up the building.

905
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:32,160
We still, I am looking to understand the utilization.

906
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,020
I'm looking to avoid a situation where we buy a building for use and

907
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:40,480
And then discover that it doesn't really work for us after all.

908
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:47,360
And I can understand that you're saying we may just decide to move public utilities there.

909
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:54,320
But it seems to me they had been planning on going to their operations center and it

910
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,640
seems like that's where they probably want to be and that makes good sense for us.

911
01:22:59,420 --> 01:23:05,380
So I'm trying to like not just fill space, right, but do it with some intentionality in

912
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:13,420
I remind that it works and this entire thing is justified because it's a good solution for what we need.

913
01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:16,860
I think what we're trying to decide is this building, that.

914
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:25,020
So anything else you can offer to justify and explain would be helpful, Mr. Bees.

915
01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:37,800
Sure. So one of the main reasons for public utilities, whether they expanded up in Nandia, South or not, was to vacate the middle floor of City Hall, which then created more space for the police department.

916
01:23:38,980 --> 01:23:51,140
So that was one of the main reasons for considering them, because then both sides of that area on the second floor then become part of the police department.

917
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:56,040
Okay, that's good to know. So it wasn't really their need. It was the police department's need.

918
01:23:56,380 --> 01:24:02,900
Well, you know, they have a concept about going up there. That hasn't been vetted by the administration or the city council yet.

919
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:08,480
And so that could take five years, that could take two years, that could take 10 years.

920
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:18,220
But in the meantime, you know, our goal was looking for space for police or goal was looking for space for parks and recreation.

921
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:28,980
As far as the answer on the cost to do renovations on the bottom level of the Justice Court, that would depend who moved in.

922
01:24:30,460 --> 01:24:33,240
Some departments would need more modifications than others.

923
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:45,720
Some of the space that's not being occupied right now, for instance, over there is a courtroom on the bottom level that's being used once a month by the youth court.

924
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:53,520
but other than that it's sitting so those are the kind of situations you

925
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,160
know that the police department was basically occupying spaces that were

926
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,660
easy to occupy

927
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:29,060
Without making, without costing renovations. And sorry. You know, you can take the art skill, you can take practice space for the art skill. Well, that courtroom could be an ideal location for that. Without very much cost. And so it really depends on, you know, it's 18,000 square feet that can then be used for, for parchment recreation, for the art skill, they're for police.

928
01:25:29,060 --> 01:25:38,660
But it gives us the chance to then once the Arbor Building is purchased, you know, Martin had a good example of that.

929
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:42,540
It's like a big slide puzzle.

930
01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:47,420
You've all seen these puzzles where you have to move one piece in order to be able to move another.

931
01:25:47,660 --> 01:25:49,120
And right now we're very tight.

932
01:25:50,260 --> 01:25:54,640
Securing the Arbor Building would allow us to move more pieces.

933
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:59,080
Public utilities is focused on 90th because that's been their option.

934
01:25:59,820 --> 01:26:05,280
This hasn't been an option, so just very quickly now we're looking at, okay, they could go there.

935
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,900
We're not saying they are, but we now have the opportunity to look at what fits best,

936
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:18,260
what's most importantly, what's best for our residents, what's allows us to continue to provide services to them.

937
01:26:18,940 --> 01:26:22,060
And to how can we do it in the most cost effective way?

938
01:26:22,060 --> 01:26:34,980
So looking at these parcels, looking at the options, can we put a department over here with very minimal if hardly any modifications and get them serving the public?

939
01:26:35,260 --> 01:26:43,100
And so accessing the arbor building allows us, it frees up a space in that puzzle so we can slide more pieces around.

940
01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:44,660
Ms. Houseman.

941
01:26:45,600 --> 01:27:14,320
Thank you Madam Chair, both of you actually started down the path that you that I was going to ask about so it's great because I feel like though there is absolute value in having like this, where the piece is potentially going to go, it sounds like the bigger question is as we look across and I know we're definitely obviously spending more time on the arbor plaza but it feels like the first question we're trying to answer is which of these three buildings

942
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:21,260
gives us the greatest flexibility, sounds like we have landed on Arbor, and so now we're thinking

943
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:27,740
what does that flexibility look like? And so I guess I want to just reiterate,

944
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:34,660
I think that is a high priority, is what gives us flexibility because we will continue

945
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:44,020
to change in response to resident needs. We are continually reflecting on outcomes,

946
01:27:44,020 --> 01:27:46,280
and the outcomes we are getting for residents.

947
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,240
And in response to those outcomes,

948
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,440
there might be, we might try something,

949
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,060
and it's not the right call,

950
01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:56,440
and we're gonna need to make another call,

951
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,380
and perhaps move some people around again,

952
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,540
back to your little metaphor of the sliding pieces.

953
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:06,020
So in addition to the idea of flexibility,

954
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:09,940
I think we've gotta be driven by,

955
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:11,960
and you sort of touched on this,

956
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,260
so I'm going to just echo it.

957
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:19,410
All allocation of resources have to be connected to

958
01:28:20,110 --> 01:28:21,630
greatest outcomes possible.

959
01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:24,230
And so I feel that that is part of the struggle

960
01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:29,330
and the appropriate wrestle that we are having is

961
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:34,130
what pieces do go where in order to yield the outcome.

962
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:36,070
And so it's not just a matter of square footage,

963
01:28:36,830 --> 01:28:42,070
it's about can they accomplish the work that is so needed

964
01:28:42,070 --> 01:29:02,070
in that space, and I know there's different thoughts perhaps on the rehearsal space, but that is a community good, that is the arts are a benefit, and the inability to rehearse does diminish experiences that our community could have.

965
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:24,410
Now would I prioritize that over police being able, no, of course not, but if there is a way to move those pieces around and still get the outcome of a rehearsal space to your point, the courtroom that is only used once a month, my goodness, that could be an appropriate space for the art skill to rehearse.

966
01:29:24,410 --> 01:29:33,250
I think outcomes and service has got to be critical not just being about the numbers

967
01:29:33,250 --> 01:29:34,650
and the square footage.

968
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:38,500
Ms. Christensen.

969
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:41,220
I just wanted to quick catch up here.

970
01:29:41,820 --> 01:29:47,700
So public utilities has no like there's not like an actual plan or a budget in place to move

971
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:50,160
them. It was just an idea that could happen if we did that.

972
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:51,560
Yes.

973
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,360
That's been talked about for many years, but it's the only thing they have currently as a concept.

974
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,620
Okay, thank you.

975
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,020
Ms. Nichole. So, I'm thoroughly confused with all the talk about the public utilities building now. What's the square footage on that building?

976
01:30:13,370 --> 01:30:31,990
Public utilities. Public utilities operations building. I think 103,000 square feet. Was it not built with offices? Only on one part of it. Is it being the entire floor being utilized and second floors? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

977
01:30:35,870 --> 01:30:42,430
And what is it being, are they storing snow plows there, so we're separating the snow plows in case of a disaster or something like that?

978
01:30:42,590 --> 01:30:46,230
What is the concept of it would be to build, I can't remember how many square feet,

979
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,000
Scott Ellis, public utilities.

980
01:30:57,740 --> 01:31:02,480
It's equivalent to what they're occupying here in City Hall, so I think it's like 4,400 square feet.

981
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:05,480
Okay, yeah, thank you very much.

982
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:10,180
And that would be on the front of the existing tilt up concrete building.

983
01:31:10,180 --> 01:31:13,220
Right, that just threw me on bringing that building in there.

984
01:31:13,580 --> 01:31:16,620
I do have one specific question about the armor building.

985
01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:18,820
Is that slam on grade or does it have a basement?

986
01:31:19,300 --> 01:31:20,040
There's no basement.

987
01:31:20,380 --> 01:31:20,480
Okay.

988
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:21,160
Yeah.

989
01:31:22,380 --> 01:31:23,220
Miss Alessmann.

990
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:25,460
Thank you, my apologies.

991
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,240
I jumped quick to an assumption and I did not cause.

992
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:29,460
I want to back up.

993
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:36,260
Is the, am I correct in understanding that we have weighed

994
01:31:36,260 --> 01:31:42,820
across these buildings, flexibility as a measure, and we believe the Arbor Plaza

995
01:31:42,820 --> 01:31:48,720
office building does provide the greatest flexibility now and potentially in

996
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,920
the future. In terms of timing I would say definitely, I mean you know

997
01:31:53,920 --> 01:32:06,240
March 2nd we can have 15,000 square feet. You know size-wise I mean the

998
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:13,580
You know, there's a lot of different factors, you know, and I think our hope today is to

999
01:32:13,580 --> 01:32:17,620
give the City Council a bunch of alternatives and maybe help you weigh the pros and cons.

1000
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:23,100
But you know, seek some direction from the Council as to, you know, what direction you'd

1001
01:32:23,100 --> 01:32:23,760
like to go with it.

1002
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:30,770
All right.

1003
01:32:30,850 --> 01:32:31,290
Next slide.

1004
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:34,860
All right.

1005
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:35,320
Okay.

1006
01:32:36,820 --> 01:32:40,900
Only I just was going back because we kind of stopped at the scenarios and then the considerations.

1007
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,100
So help me understand what you mean with those considerations.

1008
01:32:45,160 --> 01:33:01,360
Well, just that, you know, 15 or 16,000 square feet, that doesn't get a few space for everything, you know, if our need is 41,000 square feet, yes, the arboreal thing gives us a lot of flexibility, but, you know, it doesn't give us 41,000 square feet right out of the gate.

1009
01:33:03,340 --> 01:33:13,540
And I do just want to point out with parks and recreation the 23,000 I think it was said earlier it does include the gym and that's a lever that we can pull or let go.

1010
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,760
It's not a necessity.

1011
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:25,600
With the Sandy Community and Recreation Center being built, we're adding a gym into their portfolio that they did not have in the past.

1012
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:31,580
So that's some programmable space. Well, it's not in their offices. It will be in their inventory

1013
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:33,880
their current building

1014
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:40,260
It's a historic gem and it's a little bit of a goldfish too

1015
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:46,760
You know you put the goldfish into a bowl and it will grow into the size of the of the bowl that it's living in

1016
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,400
Apparently not a goldfish owner, but that's the analogy

1017
01:33:51,100 --> 01:33:58,260
they use a lot of storage in that building that I don't think is necessary and so we can

1018
01:33:58,260 --> 01:34:00,380
fine tune that Parks and Rec number for sure.

1019
01:34:01,180 --> 01:34:08,640
And remind me if you recall if you remember what was the estimated cost from the architects

1020
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:16,120
of Alta Canyon Sports Center for adding the office space for Parks and Rec was it it was

1021
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:21,180
like an additional five to six million dollars I could be wrong on that but

1022
01:34:21,180 --> 01:34:25,680
that's the number that sticks in my head okay I had two in my mind so it was I

1023
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:29,000
know it was at least five okay all right thank you

1024
01:34:32,580 --> 01:34:36,660
let's see some financial

1025
01:34:36,660 --> 01:34:40,480
analysis probably passed this to Brian okay

1026
01:34:45,860 --> 01:34:47,760
thank you council and if we could

1027
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,840
zoom in on this. I'm not sure, Dustin, are you or Justin or on that?

1028
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,940
Liz is going to see if she can.

1029
01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:55,680
Liz, okay.

1030
01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:58,060
So a lot of numbers on this page.

1031
01:34:58,740 --> 01:34:59,960
So I have in your

1032
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,140
Back at three scenarios, I'll just walk through them fairly quickly and see if you have any questions. And then I can talk about the process a little bit as well afterwards. But each of these scenarios assumes the same purchase price, the same amount for the cost of issuance, reserves for tenant improvements and capital reserves, same interest rates, a 20 year term. As we go down, the first scenario contemplates continuing leasing the same amount of square footage.

1033
01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:44,120
So we would just occupy what's vacant here and now and continue leasing and so if we scroll down to the numbers below, if you could, so it goes out 20 years,

1034
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:53,280
the debt service is just about 610. The lease revenue assumes a 3% growth rate, which is built into the current leases.

1035
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:58,320
So, that grows over 20 years and maxes out a little over 2.1 million.

1036
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:04,040
Our operating costs are also assuming a 3% growth on those.

1037
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:12,340
We contemplate a payment back to the RDA because of their 5 million contribution into this,

1038
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:22,280
and with this, their payment back to them over the 20 years adds up to just over a million

1039
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:28,180
dollars so their net contribution would be 4 million. It brings it down to about a third of

1040
01:36:28,180 --> 01:36:35,840
the total cost where we feel more comfortable with. We are contemplating in this scenario using

1041
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:41,780
some outside resources to help manage the tenants and the accounting of the leases.

1042
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,840
And so each year the last two columns the second the last one is the annual surplus

1043
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,760
plus, and then a cumulative balance that grows.

1044
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:56,220
And so you can see that over time we do develop a balance

1045
01:36:56,220 --> 01:37:00,880
that could be used by the council for any purpose you want.

1046
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,840
If we do have more tenant improvements along the way,

1047
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,300
we would need to tap into that.

1048
01:37:07,460 --> 01:37:11,280
And if things continued as assumed, we could potentially

1049
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,860
pay off the balance at about year 15

1050
01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:17,180
if we had that amount left over at that time.

1051
01:37:17,180 --> 01:37:31,100
So but again, any types of cat like a roof repair, any major catwalk project or tenant improvement would dwindle that balance but would have the balance to use in addition to the reserve.

1052
01:37:31,460 --> 01:37:33,980
So that's that's the first scenario.

1053
01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:35,200
Ms. Soundsman.

1054
01:37:36,980 --> 01:37:37,620
Thank you.

1055
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:37,920
I know.

1056
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:42,260
I'm just waiting for the, when I can, when I can, just this okay?

1057
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:42,920
Yeah.

1058
01:37:43,060 --> 01:37:43,140
Yeah.

1059
01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:50,600
I want to make sure I'm, so, so previous conversation was, was literally about the buildings and

1060
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:56,420
I wanted to sort of highlight what it felt like we were prioritizing was flexibility of space.

1061
01:37:56,420 --> 01:38:25,940
But then here, when we think about the fact that, and this is all our, our building, we think about the fact that we have tenants in the building, tenants are contributing, that I think isn't even, if, if one building certainly provides more flexibility than the other building, but the building that is perhaps slightly less flexible has tenants.

1062
01:38:25,940 --> 01:38:35,160
and allows us to make this investment without pulling it out of our own funding like literally tenants are covering.

1063
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:43,120
And that's what all these numbers are telling us is we have tenants in these buildings that will cover the bond payment.

1064
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:49,820
So therefore we will not have to, in conjunction with RDA, I'm not ignoring that contribution.

1065
01:38:49,820 --> 01:39:00,760
I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly that that isn't a significant why for considering the arbor building because of the tenants.

1066
01:39:01,820 --> 01:39:07,980
So I guess I made that point earlier about flexibility is important, outcomes are important.

1067
01:39:08,460 --> 01:39:19,420
And being able to accomplish both without spending taxpayer dollars in terms of because of tenants, I think that is something I really wanted to draw.

1068
01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:24,940
attention to as well. If I said any of that incorrectly or you or I need to be

1069
01:39:24,940 --> 01:39:28,300
clear like you need to clarify I think please let me know but that's that's my

1070
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:32,520
understanding and it's mapped out right here in terms of lease revenue what we

1071
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:37,300
would have coming in from tenants and you have factored in a lot of the tenants

1072
01:39:37,820 --> 01:39:44,040
will renew and you know et cetera correct correct definitely this is a

1073
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:48,580
scenario you put together that would not draw upon the city's general fund or

1074
01:39:48,580 --> 01:39:53,760
other resources. So, the goal of this would be to be able to have the least revenue, along

1075
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:58,780
with the RDA contribution, pay for the payments, and over time, you know, there wouldn't

1076
01:39:58,780 --> 01:39:59,620
be any other cost.

1077
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,000
the city as contemplated, whereas with the option of the crescent middle, that would require

1078
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,100
some type of bond, definitely. And obviously, we wouldn't have least revenue there. So,

1079
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,720
there would need to be some type of source of revenue to help cover those bond payments.

1080
01:40:16,580 --> 01:40:23,120
Same as if we just renovated the justice court, and if it is 15 million, or even if it's

1081
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:28,460
10 million, we wouldn't have any lease revenue in that instance either to help cover it.

1082
01:40:28,460 --> 01:40:35,160
So, financially speaking, this is definitely the least impactful of the options we're looking at.

1083
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:40,840
Let me say, though, too, with the office or the post office building,

1084
01:40:41,260 --> 01:40:47,940
it's a much smaller square footage would be getting, but the RDA could be the sole source there,

1085
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,320
and there wouldn't be any debt payments on that option.

1086
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,860
But that's from what I remember, that's under $5 million.

1087
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,600
That's, I think, it's three or four.

1088
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:05,280
So, it's much smaller, it doesn't really solve all of our needs, but it would not have an impact on the general fund either.

1089
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,880
So, sorry, just wrapping it up.

1090
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,700
Thank you for making sure I was understanding it clearly.

1091
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:20,260
I think it's important for the public to understand clearly as well, like all of the different things that are coming into consideration.

1092
01:41:20,260 --> 01:41:27,280
And I don't want it to be perceived that the arbor building does not allow us flexibility.

1093
01:41:27,700 --> 01:41:32,680
I actually think it does, and we don't need necessarily to go into that.

1094
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:37,620
But based on everything I've kind of studied and you've shared, it does feel like there's flexibility.

1095
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:44,060
Is it a completely empty building like the school is no, but I would prefer a building that has tenants.

1096
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:48,160
And we have lease revenue, et cetera.

1097
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:54,360
So, I wanted to just point that out that I think there is absolutely flexibility.

1098
01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,000
We can achieve the right call.

1099
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:04,560
I know we will figure out who can go where because it sounds to me like we are thinking

1100
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,360
about the right things and we are thinking about what are the outcomes that residents deserve

1101
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:14,900
and how do we allocate the space with outcomes in mind.

1102
01:42:14,900 --> 01:42:24,720
We're thinking about those things and what I think is significantly important is we are thinking about how do we do all of this without tapping into the general fund?

1103
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:32,320
Paying through lease revenue. So I just wanted to make sure we're echoing that for the public that's following along. Thank you.

1104
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:39,040
Stepping through what you're just talking about and all this financial information.

1105
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:45,220
We need 41,000 square feet.

1106
01:42:45,420 --> 01:42:50,320
That's what this packet has told us that we need 41,000 square feet.

1107
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:55,540
The building overall is 66,000.

1108
01:42:56,060 --> 01:43:03,280
So it surpasses our needs at least for now, gives a room for growth in the long term.

1109
01:43:03,980 --> 01:43:10,420
We need tenants in order to pay the debt service so that we don't go to the taxpayers to pay for

1110
01:43:10,420 --> 01:43:20,240
any of this. We like the scenario. So we, because we need tenants, we may always need

1111
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:28,020
tenants, but what I'm coming up with is because we have to have the tenants for the period

1112
01:43:28,020 --> 01:43:35,020
that we have the bond, a minimum of 15, maybe as many as 20 years, we don't get the square

1113
01:43:35,020 --> 01:43:38,260
fair footage we really need for 15 to 20 years.

1114
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:40,280
Are we okay with that?

1115
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:42,480
Do we recognize that?

1116
01:43:42,620 --> 01:43:43,920
Are we okay with that?

1117
01:43:44,140 --> 01:43:45,660
That works for us?

1118
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,920
I just, I would like to get that established.

1119
01:43:52,220 --> 01:43:57,940
No, I think that's a very fair question and, you know, we're here presenting alternatives.

1120
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,280
I mean, I think that's the question that the council should probably ask.

1121
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:07,610
Mr. Pace.

1122
01:44:10,050 --> 01:44:14,610
It is a great question and will we have the space that we need up front?

1123
01:44:14,850 --> 01:44:18,510
No, will we have more space and be able to do more, yes.

1124
01:44:19,370 --> 01:44:25,250
How soon, they haven't shown you the two other options yet, I mean the two other tables yet.

1125
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:31,110
This is the best case scenario, there's a worst case scenario, and there's a mill scenario.

1126
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:35,650
And each one allows us to occupy certain parts of the building at a certain date.

1127
01:44:37,510 --> 01:44:41,990
I'm confident that over time we'd be able to occupy more of the buildings more slowly.

1128
01:44:42,530 --> 01:44:43,530
Slowly can be good.

1129
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:49,830
But I'll just give you my perspective.

1130
01:44:50,930 --> 01:44:53,730
We moved into City Hall 32 years ago.

1131
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:57,870
We built an 85,000 square foot building.

1132
01:44:57,870 --> 01:44:59,950
we thought we were never going to need any more.

1133
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,500
We need more space ever again, and now we're sitting here three or two years later, and we need 30,000, maybe 35, depending on the GM situation. We need a lot more space again. And so the fact that that is set aside for a number of years is a good thing. 20 years from now, we might need more of that 66,000 square foot building than we anticipated.

1134
01:45:30,060 --> 01:45:40,120
Is it there's not one of these is the perfect option because it either it either requires too much from the general fund or

1135
01:45:40,740 --> 01:45:49,680
too much of a or requires going back to the public there's a lot everyone has its upsides and its downsides.

1136
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:57,220
This one has upsides you know for a number of reasons but it will not get us exactly what we need up front.

1137
01:45:57,820 --> 01:46:00,320
I believe over time it will give us what we need.

1138
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:04,360
And so the question is, that's okay with you because I'd also asked the both of them.

1139
01:46:04,540 --> 01:46:08,260
I'd love to ask two experts the same question and see if I get the same answer.

1140
01:46:08,700 --> 01:46:18,060
So I asked both of them over the term, how much of the building would we be able to occupy?

1141
01:46:18,900 --> 01:46:24,800
If we grow into it, we're paying down the debt service, we're increasing rents in accordance

1142
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:25,860
with market rates.

1143
01:46:25,860 --> 01:46:32,160
How much of the building will we be able to grow into and occupy while we're still still carrying debt service?

1144
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:45,820
Dan Nelson said 40% Brian said 42% so that's that I think 42% of the building square footage.

1145
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:53,800
Yeah, well I mean as it relates to the you know so we can occupy 15 or 16,000 square feet up front.

1146
01:46:53,800 --> 01:47:00,280
right as far as what we can grow into while we're still carrying the loan while we're still if

1147
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:05,240
there's no changes to your debt service you're going to hate this but a lot of it depends on the

1148
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:10,900
market you know I mean if the if the office market goes up then all of a sudden we get more income

1149
01:47:10,900 --> 01:47:19,220
that is very fair it's very fair we are assuming some risk you know and and on the flip side you know

1150
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:24,260
if tenants vacate or the office building dives and all of a sudden we're having to put

1151
01:47:24,260 --> 01:47:29,200
money into tenant improvements to get new leases in there, you know, that could hurt you the

1152
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:34,860
other way. Yeah. Well, just wanting to get some level of comfort and chain your the right person.

1153
01:47:34,940 --> 01:47:41,140
I'm not going to be here in 15 years and I doubt you are either. But if we're looking at this as a

1154
01:47:41,140 --> 01:47:51,620
long-term solution. Are we okay with having our plan take 15 to 20 years to

1155
01:47:51,620 --> 01:47:56,520
materialize? Are we okay with that or is someone going to come back to us in a

1156
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:01,060
couple of years and say we have an unmet need right now. Yeah we have a building

1157
01:48:01,060 --> 01:48:05,460
that we bought but we can't use it. And that will depend on the elected

1158
01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:10,380
officials at the time. I hate to say that but that's true. We get out there

1159
01:48:10,380 --> 01:48:14,360
10 years, and they feel like that they need more space faster.

1160
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:22,960
They have the option to come up with alternatives to buy down the building quicker or to occupy more of the space.

1161
01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:33,560
That's the great thing about this building, is that it provides options for the elected officials in the future and for the staff in the future to figure that out.

1162
01:48:36,170 --> 01:48:37,090
Ms. D'Souza.

1163
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:43,280
Well, quite frankly, you kind of went down the path that I was going down, and I, you know,

1164
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:47,820
I'm hearing Council Member Houseman and her, and I know that there's still other scenarios

1165
01:48:47,820 --> 01:48:54,120
that you want to go through, and this is kind of best case, and yes, this may offer the most

1166
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:59,320
flexibility or the flexibility that we think we need, but in this particular funding

1167
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:05,360
scenario, we have zero flexibility outside of what's currently occupiable until this is paid

1168
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:09,260
made off, otherwise all of this funding doesn't change, right?

1169
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,300
And so, you know, definitely curious to look at the other scenarios.

1170
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:21,180
I do think, you know, one of the other solutions that maybe you didn't mention in terms of future

1171
01:49:21,180 --> 01:49:25,060
elected officials is maybe we sell the building, you know, maybe that's an option too.

1172
01:49:25,660 --> 01:49:31,900
And so anyway, I just wanted to respond to Council Member Houseman to make sure that we're

1173
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:36,020
thinking about things and in specific to the scenario, okay?

1174
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:40,620
Or since this contemplates emptying out at some point,

1175
01:49:40,700 --> 01:49:44,800
the Parks and Rec building, we have that property to sell too.

1176
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:47,840
So we have a couple of back stops in here.

1177
01:49:48,900 --> 01:49:52,360
It would be nice if to my question, does this solve our problem?

1178
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,780
The answer was yes, instead of maybe, but I get it.

1179
01:49:57,780 --> 01:49:58,180
Yes.

1180
01:50:01,900 --> 01:50:31,680
And if I could add to you, one of the goals we had, one of the desires of the police department, as we went through these analysis, was they would like to be in one location, have their whole department together for operational efficiency. And so the one alternative where we move some people over to Arbor and allow police to expand in the second floor, that's one of the options that allows them to stay in one building or for the most part. The option of moving them all into the court building requires the expansion.

1181
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:41,680
and that cost to build in the A3M, so there's two levels there, which, you know, based on the one architect, is more expensive than buying this building.

1182
01:50:43,480 --> 01:50:48,000
And likewise, what the crescent middle would be more expensive than this option.

1183
01:50:51,310 --> 01:50:53,350
If I could go on the next scenario, please.

1184
01:50:56,380 --> 01:50:59,880
So same assumptions at the top, but this is worst case scenario.

1185
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:07,280
And Liz, if you wouldn't mind zooming in to the, basically what we're looking at here,

1186
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:13,100
if we look at the lease revenue column, we're just saying what if each of the leases expired

1187
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:16,080
at their nearest term, at the expiration?

1188
01:51:17,060 --> 01:51:25,720
And you can see it goes, drops precipitously downward quickly from 1.18 into fiscal year 27 down

1189
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:29,480
to 519,000, down to just under 200,000.

1190
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:33,160
And if you look at the surplus deficit column,

1191
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,420
you can see that in fiscal year 28,

1192
01:51:36,420 --> 01:51:39,320
we would go into the negative that fiscal year.

1193
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,460
So it doesn't take hardly any time to not really pay

1194
01:51:43,460 --> 01:51:45,720
for itself if we were to let the leases expire.

1195
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:48,720
And then the next slide

1196
01:51:54,130 --> 01:51:59,210
is what, if you look at the surplus

1197
01:51:59,210 --> 01:52:01,770
plus steps at column, and I just zeroed those out,

1198
01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:03,470
so if we're just trying to break even

1199
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:05,150
and cover our costs each year,

1200
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:08,390
where could we allow the lease revenue to be at?

1201
01:52:10,450 --> 01:52:12,330
And so that, the column of lease revenue

1202
01:52:12,330 --> 01:52:15,750
is what I'm adjusting each year to break even

1203
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:18,310
at zero on the yearly total.

1204
01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:21,310
And we have to still grow that.

1205
01:52:22,970 --> 01:52:25,670
We can't keep, you know, it's not keeping a 3%

1206
01:52:25,670 --> 01:52:26,930
and keeping all of our leases,

1207
01:52:26,930 --> 01:52:39,690
But instead of it escalating up to 2.1 million in year 20, it tops out at 1.49, which is about, I think I transpose the number when I talked to earlier.

1208
01:52:39,710 --> 01:52:51,770
I think it's about 34% of square footage of the total lease revenue. So if you extrapolate that into square footage, it'd be about 34%.

1209
01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:57,250
but that's just one way to look at it it's not exact and there are a lot of assumptions

1210
01:52:57,250 --> 01:53:00,450
we're making here like Dan said it depends on the market

1211
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:07,170
but anyway here's this scenario showing you what's our question can we do that for

1212
01:53:07,170 --> 01:53:11,210
actually like this one a lot confidence level I mean I know it depends on the market but like

1213
01:53:12,810 --> 01:53:19,950
somewhat comfortable with this scenario like thinking it could be accurate ish I know that's

1214
01:53:19,950 --> 01:53:26,030
a broad assumption? Is it a reasonable assumption that this could happen or not?

1215
01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:32,110
Yeah, that we can maintain the 34% lease rate, is that what we say?

1216
01:53:33,230 --> 01:53:36,390
Well, yeah, the current mix of tenants, you mean?

1217
01:53:37,490 --> 01:53:43,270
Yeah, I mean, it is a soft office market. Office tenants, they have lots of options right now.

1218
01:53:44,730 --> 01:53:51,830
But, you know, this is a good size to lease, you know, office tenants of 20,000 square feet

1219
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:56,830
are very rare, office tenants of, you know, 4 to 8,000 square feet are more common.

1220
01:53:58,370 --> 01:53:59,230
Are we going to lose tenants?

1221
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:59,890
Yes.

1222
01:54:00,390 --> 01:54:01,450
Are we going to find new ones?

1223
01:54:01,890 --> 01:54:02,050
Yes.

1224
01:54:03,090 --> 01:54:09,010
You know, and the timing and pricing of those is just, you know, that is an uncertainty that

1225
01:54:09,010 --> 01:54:10,470
you would be buying with this.

1226
01:54:11,170 --> 01:54:12,010
Thank you.

1227
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:20,750
I'm just trying to understand and make sure that we're all kind of talking and thinking

1228
01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:21,830
about it in the same way.

1229
01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:26,550
So, looking at this scenario, it's kind of the middle of the road, you know, we still

1230
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:32,170
have some tenants, but we occupy maybe more space than we would in scenario one.

1231
01:54:32,410 --> 01:54:33,010
Is that right?

1232
01:54:34,150 --> 01:54:35,150
It would allow us to.

1233
01:54:35,330 --> 01:54:35,570
Okay.

1234
01:54:35,570 --> 01:54:57,110
And your kind of breakeven, it sounds like you believe that we could occupy the 34%, that's what I wanted to clarify, up to 34% approximately of the square footage of the total building and still have enough space to lease out to maintain the bond payments, is that, am I thinking about that?

1235
01:54:57,110 --> 01:54:59,930
That's what that's one way I've looked at it. I don't know

1236
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:30,380
Dan may look at it a different way, but I've looked at our lease revenue in this scenario is about 34% of the lease revenue in the first scenario where we keep all the tenants. And, based on that percentage, you know, would be able to keep, occupy about 23,000 square feet. It's going to depend on who comes and who leaves and who renews and, you know, what the market is. Really, what's going to drive that?

1237
01:55:30,380 --> 01:55:35,100
But that gives just me some idea of how it could play out.

1238
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:52,120
Okay, and I get that in your scenario, it sounds like you're assigning an average dollar per square foot to the entire thing equally where maybe some spaces can go for more and less, and I get the nuance of that.

1239
01:55:52,120 --> 01:56:04,320
But so 34% of 66, I am not the accountant, but I have it about 225, 22,491 square feet of the building.

1240
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:12,900
We could occupy potentially in this scenario should all of the other financials meet the goal of hitting the bond payments.

1241
01:56:13,460 --> 01:56:14,160
Is that?

1242
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:16,060
Yeah, that's how I looked at it there.

1243
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:17,280
Okay, thank you.

1244
01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:20,990
Ms. Nichole?

1245
01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:25,850
Rookie just brought up something, but we would have to maintain some flexibility in the

1246
01:56:25,850 --> 01:56:29,990
square footage of that building to bring in those market rents, right?

1247
01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:31,570
So that's a consideration, too.

1248
01:56:33,190 --> 01:56:33,630
Yeah.

1249
01:56:34,030 --> 01:56:34,130
Yeah.

1250
01:56:34,770 --> 01:56:37,390
You know, and a tenant improvement allowance is going to be expensive.

1251
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:42,510
I mean, we've underwritten something at the beginning, just set aside some money for capital

1252
01:56:42,510 --> 01:56:47,070
expenditures if it needs a new roof, you know, but if you're leasing a new tenant space,

1253
01:56:47,290 --> 01:56:48,030
that's pricey, too.

1254
01:56:48,030 --> 01:56:55,710
so it's all yeah these are all the factors of buying an income property so

1255
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:57,920
if I

1256
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:03,440
could talk about the process a little bit as Dan went over the closing date

1257
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:09,080
currently as it stands as March 2nd so if we back into that the timing for us

1258
01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:13,100
to issue bonds and would be contemplating a direct purchase with the regional

1259
01:57:13,100 --> 01:57:18,100
bank we would need to have a parameters resolution approved by the City Council

1260
01:57:18,100 --> 01:57:24,560
So bring it to you next week on the 20th and have that approval for us to start the

1261
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:25,120
wills in motion.

1262
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:31,440
That was set of public hearing for the public probably February 3rd and it sets a 30-day

1263
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:35,980
contest period for public to comment and contest it.

1264
01:57:37,570 --> 01:57:42,840
We would put in the language of the parameters resolution that it could be removed at any time.

1265
01:57:43,060 --> 01:57:45,400
So you could at a future council meeting.

1266
01:57:45,400 --> 01:58:01,060
If you get to the due diligence date of the council meeting was February 17th and you decide to back away, you could just put on the agenda an item for a motion to remove the authority and cancel the browners resolution.

1267
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:09,320
So we can stop it at any time even clear up until closing if you'd like to. We can put that language in the browners resolution.

1268
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:22,040
But if you do want us to keep moving forward and try to hit that date of March 2nd, we would need something approved next week to at least allow us to start moving forward.

1269
01:58:24,970 --> 01:58:25,850
So council,

1270
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:33,460
did you change, do you have something else you feel like it's important to add right now?

1271
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:37,520
Yes, I don't think the Dan had updated you on the request for an extension.

1272
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:45,280
Yeah, we did ask to extend the closing date and the seller said they would like to increase

1273
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:50,260
the purchase price by 150,000, so that's the update.

1274
01:58:53,980 --> 01:58:56,100
Extend the closing date by 45 days.

1275
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:02,100
Miss Houseman.

1276
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:03,700
Thank you.

1277
01:59:04,660 --> 01:59:10,560
And I know you're not on this slide, but I'm on the slide where you sort of lay it all out

1278
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,340
here are the advantages, here are the disadvantages.

1279
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:21,760
And so if you're sort of asking for kind of where are you, Council, in terms of what can we potentially expect next week?

1280
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:32,060
The advantage is that I'm seeing, and I want to make it clear, like when I highlighted two things that I think are of the utmost importance, I said flexibility.

1281
01:59:32,460 --> 01:59:40,540
I know it's not fully flexible, but it does give us flexibility by way of being able to move some people.

1282
01:59:40,540 --> 01:59:45,240
So I still see it as flexible and funding like you the two things that I

1283
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:48,840
indicated were really critical at least from my perspective are actually listed

1284
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:53,800
in here as advantages I was already coming into that without the without your

1285
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:59,560
list here just so just so you know so for me I feel like the advantages

1286
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:30,340
The alignment between what I think is most critical and what you've indicated are the advantages. For me, that gives me what I need to be able to say yes. Let's at least set this, this parameter, what you call it, parameter resolution. In motion next week, I think I, to be honest, I don't want to pay another $150,000. If you were telling us that we can hit stop, there is still,

1287
02:00:30,340 --> 02:00:36,160
additional flexibility. That's where I am. I think we move forward, but that's just me.

1288
02:00:46,140 --> 02:00:46,560
Mr. Out.

1289
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:53,850
I think I agree with you on just about everything, Ms.

1290
02:00:53,930 --> 02:00:58,250
Houseman, it's, I mean, even walking into this, you know, looking at the four different scenarios there.

1291
02:00:58,850 --> 02:01:05,770
I mean, it is the middle, you know, neither the post office or the expansion of the Justice Court fits our needs,

1292
02:01:06,130 --> 02:01:11,750
our future needs, and it doesn't even fit our current needs and let alone any sort of future needs.

1293
02:01:12,710 --> 02:01:14,870
You know, the Crescent View Middle School

1294
02:01:14,870 --> 02:01:16,750
we're still waiting on that one and it's huge

1295
02:01:16,750 --> 02:01:18,990
and that's set up as a school.

1296
02:01:19,530 --> 02:01:21,110
That is not set up as an office building.

1297
02:01:21,430 --> 02:01:22,650
Does it have some benefits?

1298
02:01:22,910 --> 02:01:23,330
Yes, it does.

1299
02:01:24,270 --> 02:01:27,450
But it is, it's not set up as an office building.

1300
02:01:27,810 --> 02:01:30,590
I mean, that's, I spend 10 hours a day inside of a school.

1301
02:01:31,490 --> 02:01:36,670
It is not, it would take significant remodeling

1302
02:01:37,070 --> 02:01:38,290
to be able to get it to work.

1303
02:01:39,170 --> 02:01:40,690
You know, and then proximity, you know,

1304
02:01:40,690 --> 02:01:46,490
We look here at Arbor building, I mean, just having a municipal campus of being close.

1305
02:01:48,110 --> 02:01:51,030
It is not because it is cookie cutter at this point.

1306
02:01:51,930 --> 02:01:54,670
I mean, we could say, well, we've got about 15,000 square feet.

1307
02:01:54,730 --> 02:01:55,670
Well, it's kind of hit and miss.

1308
02:01:56,070 --> 02:02:00,690
It's not like you can move something and say, well, this whole chunk right now is ready for us to take care of.

1309
02:02:01,090 --> 02:02:05,750
So, looking at that, and as we move tenants around, as tenants move in and out,

1310
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:11,230
I mean, this is a process and it will take some time and we'll have to be patient with

1311
02:02:11,230 --> 02:02:11,450
that.

1312
02:02:11,950 --> 02:02:17,470
You know, the benefits of the current tenants making the payments for us.

1313
02:02:17,570 --> 02:02:19,250
I mean, that is significant.

1314
02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:25,170
You know, it minimizes resident financial impact.

1315
02:02:26,750 --> 02:02:31,470
Will we or could we end up in a spot where we have to look at something where it's impacting

1316
02:02:31,470 --> 02:02:31,850
residents?

1317
02:02:32,530 --> 02:02:33,650
That may happen.

1318
02:02:33,650 --> 02:02:39,890
But right now we're not looking at those scenarios saying oh shoot, you know, we've got a problem and we have to do this right now

1319
02:02:40,690 --> 02:02:44,810
Looking down the road at at 25 years. I mean, that's you know Mr. Pace brought that up

1320
02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:48,850
You know, I mean 30 years ago. This was all we would ever need here at City Hall and

1321
02:02:50,490 --> 02:02:54,670
That's no longer the case where we're going to be in 30 years instead of saying well

1322
02:02:54,670 --> 02:03:00,590
We only really needed half of that well we needed the entire thing if we need it if we don't but it is there

1323
02:03:00,590 --> 02:03:02,930
And yes, we can look at selling if we need to

1324
02:03:03,650 --> 02:03:07,850
I mean, there's just, there's so many benefits.

1325
02:03:08,170 --> 02:03:09,470
Are there some questions, yes?

1326
02:03:09,890 --> 02:03:12,130
I'm not worried about who's going in there right now

1327
02:03:12,130 --> 02:03:13,450
or who's going in there first

1328
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:15,850
because it does give us time.

1329
02:03:16,030 --> 02:03:18,870
We don't have to make that decision next week.

1330
02:03:18,950 --> 02:03:20,490
We don't have to make it next month.

1331
02:03:21,150 --> 02:03:23,990
We can look at this and say, what is going to be the best thing

1332
02:03:25,030 --> 02:03:26,350
and for the future?

1333
02:03:26,630 --> 02:03:30,070
If this tenant doesn't renew the lease and somebody else does,

1334
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:31,890
then that actually builds on to this space

1335
02:03:31,890 --> 02:03:45,890
And now it makes it makes sense to be moving this department or a portion of this department there because we're not just saying oh, we're going to put four of your personnel over there and that other seven will have to wait and we'll put you up on the second floor away from them.

1336
02:03:46,170 --> 02:03:59,970
So we do have that time. I mean, all of this, to me, it really makes sense. I feel comfortable moving forward. And I know they're $150,000. I'm like, no, I think we can, I would feel very comfortable moving forward next week.

1337
02:03:59,970 --> 02:04:02,830
looking at parameters resolution, you know, setting things out for a bot.

1338
02:04:02,990 --> 02:04:06,570
I mean, all of that's just saying let's just move forward with it.

1339
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:10,620
Mr. Susa.

1340
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:12,260
Thank you.

1341
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:18,100
So, taking all of this information, bumping it up against the question, the timeline.

1342
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:23,360
I too can be comfortable with a parameters resolution coming forward

1343
02:04:23,680 --> 02:04:29,400
with the understanding that we have the ability to completely pull the plug prior to a bond being issued.

1344
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:43,440
I will say that I am incredibly sensitive to who goes in there and when, you know, I hear Council Member Strauss comments, but I have to say I take a completely opposite opinion.

1345
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:49,460
I think if we, the police department seems to have the biggest need for space.

1346
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:58,700
And I'm just going to be super transparent from the type of tenants that they have and the type of situation that we need financially to maintain tenants

1347
02:04:58,700 --> 02:04:59,900
or have new tenants in.

1348
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:09,380
I am incredibly concerned that we are going to defeat the purpose of the benefit of the funding if we put the police department there.

1349
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:28,420
And so if we say yes to this and then administration decides we're going to put the police department there and that has a negative effect on our ability to maintain our tenants or to bring releases or to get market rate for those available spaces,

1350
02:05:28,420 --> 02:05:33,400
than like I would be a hard knoll on this whole scenario, you know.

1351
02:05:33,580 --> 02:05:47,220
I think that this scenario requires some give and take and some balance and some creative moving with and I don't think that we can think of this in like a silo in one with one part of it.

1352
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:56,240
Like we can't just think about one part of it and that's part of the question about how is the city planning on utilizing all of the space that we have for all of the departments because it all matters.

1353
02:05:56,900 --> 02:05:59,360
You know, I agree this is not the perfect scenario.

1354
02:05:59,960 --> 02:06:04,580
I don't know that there is a perfect scenario outside of knocking down, you know, everything

1355
02:06:04,580 --> 02:06:07,260
and building one thing perfect for, you know, now.

1356
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:13,780
And every lever that we pull, there's an opposite lever that gets pushed.

1357
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:19,500
And we have to be conscientious and considerate of how all of the choices that we're making,

1358
02:06:20,380 --> 02:06:21,640
you know, affect those things.

1359
02:06:21,900 --> 02:06:25,440
And that's not to say that we need to go into analysis paralysis, you know.

1360
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,720
You know, you could over-analyze, but I think that we need to be conscientious of that.

1361
02:06:28,900 --> 02:06:37,400
And so just for me, and I don't know how we do that, I need some assurance of who and

1362
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:43,760
how this space is going to be occupied, even in a tenant situation, you can't just move

1363
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:51,180
a tenant to another space, then we also incur more cost to create that space to fit the needs

1364
02:06:51,180 --> 02:06:54,600
that they have, and that's just not practical in that situation.

1365
02:06:54,600 --> 02:07:00,160
So we have to be really smart about it, but also if this is a matter of funding and where

1366
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:09,240
the council presently is potentially agreeing to a scenario and the administration makes

1367
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:14,080
choices that severely affect that scenario that scares me.

1368
02:07:14,580 --> 02:07:15,980
So, okay, those are my comments.

1369
02:07:18,860 --> 02:07:19,440
Ms. Christensen?

1370
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:26,500
I am in favor of like moving this forward to do the resolution.

1371
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:29,440
Do we want to meet, wow.

1372
02:07:30,980 --> 02:07:32,440
Can I make a resolution?

1373
02:07:32,660 --> 02:07:33,540
Are you guys okay with that?

1374
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:34,280
Do you want to finish?

1375
02:07:34,520 --> 02:07:34,980
I just have to.

1376
02:07:34,980 --> 02:07:35,140
Okay.

1377
02:07:36,500 --> 02:07:39,720
I'm fine with moving forward with a bond parameter.

1378
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:42,540
I just have two bond specific questions.

1379
02:07:43,160 --> 02:07:49,260
Can if this building does generate additional revenue, can we make a principal only payment?

1380
02:07:49,260 --> 02:07:57,420
and pay it off early if that happens, you know, are there something we can do with that type of bond that we're going for?

1381
02:07:57,560 --> 02:08:00,140
Yeah, the direct purchase would allow us the flexibility.

1382
02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:06,760
There would be no call provision, so we could, you know, make payments, we could pay it off early at any time.

1383
02:08:07,060 --> 02:08:08,060
Principal only payments?

1384
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:10,420
I'd have to double check on principal only.

1385
02:08:10,860 --> 02:08:10,940
Okay.

1386
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:17,080
We definitely could renegotiate the terms at any time, we could pay it off at any time.

1387
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:22,740
That's one of the good things about doing the direct purchase as opposed to going out to the public market.

1388
02:08:23,740 --> 02:08:27,300
And I'll find out on that question on a principle only payment for sure.

1389
02:08:27,500 --> 02:08:32,780
Thank you. And I kind of echo broke Councilwoman D'Souza's comments.

1390
02:08:34,220 --> 02:08:44,180
I want to like going talking about public utilities in their want or need or necessity or not want to move out of City Hall.

1391
02:08:44,180 --> 02:08:53,260
Well, I would like to have an understanding with departments that we are not going to be able to do anything for a while because of this.

1392
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:58,400
We're not going to be able to build another building, we're not going to be able to bond again for something like this.

1393
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:05,900
I don't think there's an assurance that could be given, but the understanding there, I'd like everybody to understand that too.

1394
02:09:06,260 --> 02:09:09,740
So, going forward on any other purchases.

1395
02:09:13,260 --> 02:09:17,540
I'm okay if you go ahead and make a motion and it gets seconded, it sounds like we still

1396
02:09:17,540 --> 02:09:20,300
have a little bit more discussion, but that doesn't prohibit a motion.

1397
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:27,760
So I would make a motion that we move forward with the bond paper, we're parameters.

1398
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:28,780
Thank you.

1399
02:09:30,080 --> 02:09:31,420
And bring them back to the council.

1400
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:33,680
Second.

1401
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:35,000
Okay.

1402
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:39,040
We have a motion and a second and it sounds like there's a little more discussion, Ms.

1403
02:09:39,180 --> 02:09:39,580
D'Souza.

1404
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:40,280
Thank you.

1405
02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:45,500
I mean, not necessarily on the motion, but, sorry, something that I, there's so many things and it's hard to remember everything.

1406
02:09:48,460 --> 02:09:59,820
The, we kind of came up about the fund that this, I don't even know how to say, that the least payments would come in and at what point

1407
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:28,560
And how would we create a separate account from the general fund, maybe an enterprise fund to be able to house any proceeds? Yeah, we would create a special revenue fund or an enterprise fund. So it's all self-contained that all the monies from the leases, all the expenses are in one fund, and it doesn't combing go with any other funds. Okay, so that is already an understanding that that's the way that you're going to do it. Okay, that was the only thing I had.

1408
02:10:30,350 --> 02:10:34,590
So, I, too, will be supporting the motion.

1409
02:10:35,950 --> 02:10:38,070
I think there's simply no harm.

1410
02:10:38,290 --> 02:10:39,770
There's clearly a lot of interest.

1411
02:10:40,030 --> 02:10:41,490
You have our interest piqued.

1412
02:10:41,610 --> 02:10:43,650
We understand that there are numerous benefits.

1413
02:10:44,390 --> 02:10:46,670
It doesn't mean that all our questions are answered,

1414
02:10:47,010 --> 02:10:49,270
and we will get some more time to do that.

1415
02:10:51,090 --> 02:10:53,530
I appreciate kind of the comments about

1416
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:57,810
what T's aren't crossed, which eyes aren't dotted,

1417
02:10:57,810 --> 02:11:10,510
and I don't love the idea that we won't get everything defined. I don't love the idea

1418
02:11:10,510 --> 02:11:16,250
that we're leaving some flexibility for certain councils for future councils. That also

1419
02:11:16,250 --> 02:11:20,770
means we may be tying the hands of future councils and we don't want to do that either.

1420
02:11:20,770 --> 02:11:31,190
So, the way I'll be operating going forward is I would love to know to the plan for what departments would be moving in.

1421
02:11:31,690 --> 02:11:41,910
So, it kind of, it sounds like what we were saying is now that we know then maybe we can come up with kind of a game plan of what departments might be moving in.

1422
02:11:41,910 --> 02:11:44,330
That would be a really good thing and helpful for me to know.

1423
02:11:44,330 --> 02:11:53,410
I, before casting any kind of final votes, what is our game plan, does it work, is everybody okay with it?

1424
02:11:55,170 --> 02:12:03,010
And the fact that this is cancelable, that we are, we're starting a process that we could end at any time,

1425
02:12:03,290 --> 02:12:09,210
and we're doing it on an accelerated basis just because we have to meet a time frame,

1426
02:12:09,210 --> 02:12:13,990
But, we're going to start the process and we're going to continue the consideration.

1427
02:12:14,350 --> 02:12:16,050
That is what we're planning on doing.

1428
02:12:16,330 --> 02:12:23,430
So, I'm okay with all of that, I'm sure we'll still have some more questions and want to have a lot and some more discussion.

1429
02:12:24,390 --> 02:12:34,450
So, since we are really just taking a vote to show the administration kind of the council's sense, we'll just do a vote of voice vote.

1430
02:12:34,590 --> 02:12:38,230
If there are no more comments, Mr. Kais, Mr. Pace.

1431
02:12:38,230 --> 02:12:42,910
Yes, Dan may be better situated to speak to this, but you talked about council law at any time.

1432
02:12:43,430 --> 02:12:51,410
Yes, but that declines over time and Dan maybe you can explain we have earnest money that goes hard February 19th.

1433
02:12:51,410 --> 02:12:51,670
Correct.

1434
02:12:52,150 --> 02:12:56,030
And then we have a closing date on March 2nd.

1435
02:12:56,110 --> 02:13:02,070
So you can change your mind without really any consequence up to February 19th.

1436
02:13:02,070 --> 02:13:06,950
After February 19th, you lose your earnest money and then of course March 30th, you have to make a plan in the decision.

1437
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:11,490
So I want to make sure that we and the public understand that, right?

1438
02:13:12,050 --> 02:13:13,010
So that would be great.

1439
02:13:15,410 --> 02:13:25,090
So I'll ask for a voice vote on the motion to start the to bring back a parameters resolution next week's.

1440
02:13:25,430 --> 02:13:25,610
Yes.

1441
02:13:25,910 --> 02:13:27,750
Next week. All in favor?

1442
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:28,870
Aye.

1443
02:13:29,310 --> 02:13:30,170
Any opposed?

1444
02:13:30,170 --> 02:13:31,170
Thank

1445
02:13:34,210 --> 02:13:34,570
you.

1446
02:13:34,590 --> 02:13:34,730
All right.

1447
02:13:34,850 --> 02:13:35,330
Thank you.

1448
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:43,720
Brian, looks like you're going to stay up there because we're doing privacy awareness

1449
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:44,260
training.

1450
02:13:45,340 --> 02:13:45,700
Yes.

1451
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:47,600
A fun topic here.

1452
02:13:47,900 --> 02:13:52,100
So I just want to introduce the why we're showing this video for you tonight.

1453
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:57,980
So there's some new, the state legislature passed a new requirements for day to privacy.

1454
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:04,380
It's to protect all of us, really, and it's not that different than you get privacy statements

1455
02:14:04,380 --> 02:14:10,060
from companies you work with, banks, and so forth, and they're just increasing the standard

1456
02:14:10,060 --> 02:14:15,740
that governments have and keeping people's personal data private. And so we've been working

1457
02:14:15,740 --> 02:14:21,680
on this past year becoming compliant with those. I'll just tell you a few of the things that are

1458
02:14:21,680 --> 02:14:26,640
required. One of them is employee training, which is what we're doing with you tonight. All of our

1459
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:32,260
employees have to have at least an annual training and all new hires need to be trained within 30 days

1460
02:14:32,260 --> 02:14:40,540
of higher. We need to post privacy notices out whenever we collect information. And this

1461
02:14:40,540 --> 02:14:45,860
is pertaining to personal data. So it's anything that could identify an individual based on

1462
02:14:45,860 --> 02:14:51,180
the data we're collecting. One of the other things is they want us to only collect data

1463
02:14:51,180 --> 02:14:56,360
that's really necessary. So we minimalizing the data we collect to what's really needed

1464
02:14:56,360 --> 02:14:59,240
is what's something that we're evaluating as well.

1465
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:16,120
How we store data that we keep an inventory, we need to track it and we know exactly how it's stored and how it can be accessed. We allow any customers or citizens to know if they need a change to their personal data, how they would go about that process.

1466
02:15:18,220 --> 02:15:29,080
We need to identify if there's any ever sharing of data. And mostly the only sharing of data that happens here at the city is with other governmental agencies or with our partner vendors.

1467
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:32,960
like software vendors that we use to carry out business.

1468
02:15:35,260 --> 02:15:49,360
There's an incident response, if there is a date of breach, we have some guidelines to follow and report those to the Attorney General in the State Cyber Center, and we have to follow the disposal and retention schedules that we have.

1469
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:56,400
of. So we've adopted a policy this year. I created a report. We have to be able to

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submit a report to the State Privacy Office on an annual basis. And those are all

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things that we've worked on this past year. And we just wanted to bring you up to speed

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on it. And with that, we can have Liz or Dustin show the video for training.

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Yes, I believe Liz will pull the video up here in just a minute.

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Welcome to the Data Privacy Awareness Training.

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In the next few minutes, we'll explore what data privacy is, how it impacts us, and how

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we can all play a part in protecting it.

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Privacy is a core value in Utah's history, and remains crucial in today's digital age.

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Governmental entities at all levels in Utah must uphold data privacy to protect citizens'

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interest, foster trust in public services, and ensure transparency and accountability.

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All governmental entities are subject to baseline data privacy requirements, established in

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the Government Data Privacy Act, which we refer to as GDPA. In addition, some entities

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are subject to more specific or restrictive regulations, like the Health Insurance Portability

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and Accountability Act, HIPAA, and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, FERPA.

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entities must understand and comply with privacy obligations to safeguard

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personal data and maintain public trust. What is data privacy? In the private

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sector, we often have the ability to choose what happens with our personal data.

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But when it comes to government services, we don't always have the same type of

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control. Either we provide our personal data to access important services or we

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go without them. This contrast highlights the importance of data governance and its relationship

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to privacy. Data privacy refers to the protection and responsible management of personal data,

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ensuring that it is collected, accessed, used, and disclosed only as authorized. It safeguards

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an individual's control of their personal data, such as financial details, health information,

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and online activity, so the data is kept secure and used only for authorized purposes.

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GDPA plays a crucial role in data privacy by creating baseline requirements in law

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that govern how personal data should be collected, stored, used, and shared by governmental entities.

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How does records management relate to data privacy?

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Data privacy is tied to the records we create,

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From physical documents to digital data, collecting personal data can be easy, but managing it is much harder.

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Without proper records management, from the collection of personal data to its disposal, government entities are likely to see lost productivity, unnecessary expenses, over collection, and possibly even data breaches.

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Governmental entities must classify and organize records to safeguard an individual's data privacy.

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Records must be managed according to their record series attributes, for example,

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how long they need to be kept, how sensitive they are, and what they are used for.

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Proper records management protects data privacy and transparency

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while allowing your entity to effectively use personal data to provide essential services.

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02:19:24,190 --> 02:19:26,390
Data privacy obligations for government.

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Protecting an individual's personal data helps build trust between the public and government.

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Every governmental entity in Utah is required to initiate a data privacy program.

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This program is the framework by which your entity will implement data privacy practices that fulfill their data privacy obligations.

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Data privacy practices include safeguards to protect personal data, meet legal requirements, and inform individuals about their data privacy interests.

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The data-privacy program of each governmental entity should be cussed.

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Customize to meet its specific requirements while accounting for the baseline standards set by the GDPA. Here are some examples of privacy practices your privacy program may include. Designating a chief administrative officer who will be responsible for overseeing the governmental entity's data privacy program, conducting an inventory of all the personal data collected in process by the governmental entity, providing a clear data privacy notice on forms when collecting personal data

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or user data. Ensuring that only the minimum amount of personal data is collected to achieve

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the governmental entity's purposes. Disposing of personal data, according to approved

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retention schedules, to ensure that personal data is not retained longer than necessary,

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providing notice of a data breach to impacted individuals. Data privacy practices like these

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provide a strong foundation for your data privacy program. You should contact your entity's

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Chief Administrative Officer, if you are unaware of what data privacy practices you should

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be following.

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You can learn more about these and other generally applicable data privacy practices

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by visiting privacy.utah.gov.

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Utah's forward-looking strategy.

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Many of the data privacy practices have existed in various parts of Utah law for over 30 years.

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As technology has advanced, some of these obligations have not been fully implemented

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by governmental entities. The Government Data Privacy Act, GDPA, establishes a forward-looking

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strategy that helps address such gaps. All new processing activities implemented by governmental

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entities must be compliant with the requirements in the GDPA. Processing activities may include

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how the data is collected, organized, altered, accessed, or stored. For pre-existing processing

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testing activities, entities are required to document areas of non-compliance and develop

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strategies to bring those activities into compliance.

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This proactive approach ensures that Utah remains a leader in protecting individual's

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02:22:09,320 --> 02:22:13,440
data privacy, while considering resource allocation and prioritization.

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It will take many years to build mature data privacy programs and processes, but with consistent

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and disciplined efforts, all governmental entities in Utah will be leaders in data privacy.

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02:22:26,180 --> 02:22:32,400
Your role in data privacy. As a government employee who processes personal data in your daily

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02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:38,980
work, whether it's handling forms, maintaining IT systems, or providing services, your actions

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directly impact data privacy. Here's how you can contribute to protecting an individual's data privacy.

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Common tasks involving personal data, collecting personal data through online forms, best practice,

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minimize the amount of data collected, obtain clear consent, provide a personal data collection

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notice, and crypt the information. Storing personal data in a database, best practice,

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02:23:05,900 --> 02:23:12,660
restrict access to personal data to authorize personnel only. Establish clear data retention policies

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that define how long personal data will be stored and how it should be used.

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02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:20,820
Conduct regular audits to detect vulnerabilities,

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02:23:21,360 --> 02:23:23,960
sharing personal data with third parties,

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02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:28,080
best practice, enter into formal data sharing agreements,

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02:23:28,620 --> 02:23:32,140
anonymize or pseudonymize personal data before sharing.

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02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:37,820
Small actions like updating outdated forms or reporting potential risks

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02:23:37,820 --> 02:23:40,720
contribute to a privacy conscious culture.

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Conclusion. Now that you understand the importance of data privacy, remember that we all have a responsibility to protect personal data.

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By following the practices outlined in GDPA, we strengthen trust in our systems and protect individuals' data privacy interests.

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At the Utah Office of Data Privacy, we are here to assist in prioritizing data privacy.

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Together, we can build a more secure and trusted government for all.

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Thank you for watching.

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For more information, visit privacy.utah.gov.

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02:24:16,820 --> 02:24:17,160
It

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was thrilling.

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02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:25,430
Thank you.

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02:24:25,910 --> 02:24:26,070
If

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you have any questions as we go forward tonight.

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02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:32,420
Any questions?

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02:24:32,980 --> 02:24:33,660
Let's cut Brian.

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02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:34,380
Thank you.

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02:24:34,540 --> 02:24:34,680
Thank you, Brian.

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Appreciate you.

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02:24:36,380 --> 02:24:36,940
All right.

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02:24:37,240 --> 02:24:37,740
What have we got?

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02:24:37,800 --> 02:24:43,140
We've got two sets of minutes on the consent calendar to approve.

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02:24:43,320 --> 02:24:44,020
Do I have a motion?

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02:24:45,620 --> 02:24:47,900
I move that we approve the consent calendar.

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02:24:48,440 --> 02:24:48,940
Second.

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02:24:49,440 --> 02:24:50,260
All in favor?

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02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:51,100
Aye.

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02:24:51,700 --> 02:24:52,200
Any opposed?

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02:24:54,780 --> 02:24:54,940
All right.

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02:24:55,100 --> 02:24:55,900
Those are adopted.

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02:24:58,020 --> 02:24:59,840
Sorry, Ben, to have had you waiting.

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Thanks so long. Item number seven on our council agenda is a voting item, and that's for the advice and consent of Ben Hill. Council, this is, this is a continuation of what we heard last week. Does council have any questions or comments?

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I will entertain a motion.

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But I motion to go ahead and improve Mr. Ben Hill is our new parks and rec director. Second,

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motion and a second.

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And are any comments or a discussion, council?

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Madam Chair, just one comment on the motion.

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02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:52,070
Could we include the resolution number in the motion please?

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02:25:52,950 --> 02:25:55,130
It's a 26-0-2C.

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26-0-2C.

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It's also a voting item, so we need to take public comment on it too.

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All right.

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As amended, let's go ahead and open public comment on this one

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and then we'll go for a discussion from the council.

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I have no blue cards on this item.

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If anyone in the chambers would like to make a comment on that,

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please feel free to come up to the podium.

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Or the podium, if anyone online would make a comment,

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02:26:23,480 --> 02:26:25,240
like to make a comment on this item,

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please go ahead and use the raise hand feature,

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02:26:28,420 --> 02:26:29,560
and we'll call on you.

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We have nothing.

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I'm going to close public comment on this item.

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I just want to make a really quick comment on this.

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And that generally is to recognize the importance

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of our Parks and Rec Department, you know, we do advice and consent for all our departments,

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and some of our departments get a lot of attention. You know, police and fire and well-deserved

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attention. They're just top of mind. But then we have the unsung heroes that work for Sandy,

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and the Parks and Rec Department has brings such value to our community. It's unrecognized.

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they work so hard, they create the quality of life in Sandy that every single one of us enjoy and I know is really important to our residents and our constituents.

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So, just wanted to take that opportunity to make that comment and recognize that we have the greatest individuals working in that department.

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I appreciate their dedication. I appreciate their hard work.

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work. You know, for some reason they never complain. I don't know why. They probably

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have reason, but we never hear from them. We see them. We see the trucks out there, but

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boy, what they are contributing to our city and to the residents that live here. It's

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just thank you for letting me kind of go on a soapbox and talk about just the importance

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of that department. We have a motion and a second. I'm ready for a roll call vote, Ms. Edwards.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Ms. Stroud? Yes. Ms. Houseman? Yes. Ms. Sharky? Yes. Ms.

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Christensen? Yes. Ms. Tassouza? Yes. Mr. DeKaiser? Yes. Ms. Nichol? Yes. Madam Chair,

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with that motion carried seven to zero.

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I

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got quickly nudged and I appreciate about that.

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Thank you so much, Council.

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This whole entire process of working at the mayor

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and with Martin and the whole Sandy team so far

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has been truly impressive and I'm so excited to get going.

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So thank you and looking forward to working with you all.

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Great.

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Thank you, Mr. Hill.

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We appreciate that too.

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All right.

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The last agenda item is an RDA meeting tonight.

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All right, so I will make a motion to recess the City Council meeting and convene a meeting of the Sandy City, RDA. Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Motion in a second. All in favor? Say aye.

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Aye. Any opposed?

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02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:44,060
Casey, it's you.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Appreciate again the opportunity to be here and present. We have a few items on the agenda tonight.

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I'm going to cover item number two.

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And then I'm going to have Rob give him the opportunity to cover number three tonight the first

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Item I'm going to discuss is an interlocal agreement proposed interlocal agreement between the city and the RDA. As you saw in your packet, we're looking, the proposal is for the city to sell about 1.1 acres of property that's adjacent to America first filled. It was included in your packet as an exhibit. It's the triangular property that the city is owned for a few years now. The city purchased it originally was looking at that

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location for the potential fire station 31. Obviously that didn't work out

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between the new Monero extension and you know the the Mount of Square feet

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02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:45,580
that took and then the size that was needed for fire station 31 so that

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property is vacant the city owns it and it can be sold the proposal that we're

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looking at from the RDA is using tax increment that we can use outside of a

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02:30:57,520 --> 02:31:02,400
project area. That property is not in a project area, but under state code you can use RDA tax

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increment available for affordable housing projects to purchase property and develop

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affordable housing. So the proposal is for the RDA to buy that property from the city and

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to look at to doing a potential affordable housing project. Again, because where the funding

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02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:24,480
comes from it's intended for affordable housing. So the intention on that property would

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be for affordable housing. Now that doesn't mean that if the RDA board decided to sell

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02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:36,020
it for something else, the money would just have to be recouped in the RDA and come back

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02:31:36,020 --> 02:31:40,840
to the RDA for the full amount. But the intention that we see, the opportunity we see is to build

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an affordable housing project there. We do have a proposal from a group and you've heard

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02:31:47,340 --> 02:31:53,940
me say this a few times and a new board member's nickel and Christiansen, you may not have

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But we have been working with the Gardner Group and the Boydard Group.

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They are under contract for the other city parcel of property.

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That's just East of Fire Station 31.

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And so they have submitted a proposal to do an affordable housing project.

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This is fully owner occupied.

1656
02:32:13,060 --> 02:32:16,380
It'll be about their proposal right now is 18 town homes.

1657
02:32:17,060 --> 02:32:18,640
And again, it's a small parcel.

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02:32:18,700 --> 02:32:20,100
It's only about 1.1 acres.

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02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:23,360
So we look at this as a good opportunity.

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We just finished with the housing workshops, you as a council and administration.

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So we see this as a good opportunity to move with the affordable housing, to increase our affordable housing in the city.

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So without going into any more detail, I'm just open up to questions.

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02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:50,060
But one other thing I do want to add is this opportunity with the RDA purchasing it allows the RDA to immediately close.

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and those proceeds will go to the city to the general fund immediately.

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02:32:55,100 --> 02:32:59,180
So that gives the opportunity for the city to receive the funds and

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then just allows more opportunity for the RDA board to decide what they want to do with the property.

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So any questions?

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02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:13,080
Ms. D'Souza.

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02:33:13,980 --> 02:33:14,560
Thank you.

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02:33:15,440 --> 02:33:22,980
All right, so trying to keep all this straight, so approving this would effectively

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02:33:25,540 --> 02:33:31,480
I don't want to say allow but the RDA would then purchase the property from the city.

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02:33:31,820 --> 02:33:32,320
Yes, correct.

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02:33:32,420 --> 02:33:37,340
There's nothing that would come after that to a signal purchase of the property, correct?

1674
02:33:37,880 --> 02:33:44,680
No, all this does is allows the city to sell the property to the RDA and to the RDA to purchase it.

1675
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:49,740
And it looks like in the memorandum there is an approximate purchase price.

1676
02:33:49,740 --> 02:33:57,020
Yes, that purchase price is $20.37 per square foot and that's actually the full appraised value on the property.

1677
02:33:57,660 --> 02:34:02,420
Now keep in mind I did note in the staff report, if the RDA was to turn around and

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sell it to Gardner Boyer for the affordable housing development or to another developer.

1679
02:34:08,580 --> 02:34:12,580
That's up to the RDA, then it would likely the RDA would turn around and

1680
02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:18,660
probably have to sell the property at a decreased value to make the affordable housing development pencil.

1681
02:34:18,660 --> 02:34:25,580
As we've heard throughout our housing discussions it's difficult to make you know pay full value for the land and then for the projects

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02:34:25,580 --> 02:34:30,860
The development depends on for the developer. So we would look at the RDA would have to be right down the property

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02:34:30,860 --> 02:34:37,680
But that's what's good about the RDA is we have the flexible do flexibility do that where the city doesn't the city has to either do a

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Tenney two study

1685
02:34:38,520 --> 02:34:43,780
To show the value that they're getting that's equal to the value that they're selling the property or

1686
02:34:44,620 --> 02:34:46,480
They just have to sell for a praise value

1687
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:53,120
There's a lot of wiggle room with the RDA, but it increases economic development, it's

1688
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:57,700
for the general welfare of the public and the citizens, it increases affordable housing,

1689
02:34:58,080 --> 02:34:59,780
there's a plethora of things at the RDA.

1690
02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:29,980
Okay. So the expectation then is that approving this, the RDA would purchase it for approximately 978,000 some odd, right? And if we, if the RDA is considering, I'm just paraphrasing to make sure I understand. If the RDA is considering an affordable housing project with X developer and there is a purchase that we could expect that we would sell that property for less than a year.

1691
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:32,080
to the 978 that we're purchasing it from, right?

1692
02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:34,080
If it's in a affordable housing project, yes.

1693
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:36,820
And then part number two of that is, I recall

1694
02:35:37,700 --> 02:35:40,020
that this particular piece of property was,

1695
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:43,740
and I don't know the technical way that it was put

1696
02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:45,980
in language whether it was a resolution or whatever,

1697
02:35:46,220 --> 02:35:48,360
but it was funding for the overage

1698
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:51,240
of the public works phase two, right?

1699
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:54,860
And so what is the total of public works phase two?

1700
02:35:54,980 --> 02:35:56,440
Because I believe that we purchased this property

1701
02:35:56,440 --> 02:35:57,620
for like 1.2 million.

1702
02:35:57,620 --> 02:36:02,680
So, this is already decreased in value, right?

1703
02:36:03,100 --> 02:36:05,260
Yes, I mean Brian probably has that number.

1704
02:36:05,580 --> 02:36:07,980
I will say for what the city purchased it for.

1705
02:36:08,100 --> 02:36:11,100
City purchased it for about 14 something a square foot.

1706
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:13,820
So, I'll be selling it for $20 a square foot now.

1707
02:36:14,440 --> 02:36:17,380
So, you'd be actually making money on the square foot price,

1708
02:36:17,700 --> 02:36:22,140
but because of the road, it's about 1.1 acres left over.

1709
02:36:22,500 --> 02:36:24,000
When they purchased the property originally,

1710
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:28,220
is about 1.76 acres, but I'm sure Brian has that number.

1711
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:31,360
I don't have the exact number, I'd have to look it up.

1712
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:37,840
But we budgeted this at Carole over, we have it all paid for with this contemplating

1713
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:39,620
this per cell to the RDA.

1714
02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:44,160
Would there be any, I mean, and I remember having the conversation, generally speaking,

1715
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:49,100
I just wanted to, especially since we have some council members that have joined census

1716
02:36:49,100 --> 02:36:52,960
conversations we're had, I want to make sure that we all are on the same page in terms

1717
02:36:52,960 --> 02:37:00,580
of the purchase. So given that we purchased it for less per square foot, but the overall purchase

1718
02:37:00,580 --> 02:37:09,380
price in total was more than what we're purchasing it for now, right? Well, the city paid 1.1 million

1719
02:37:09,380 --> 02:37:15,740
for it. So we're getting a little less than what we paid for it. Okay. But this is what we budgeted

1720
02:37:15,740 --> 02:37:22,200
this amount. It carry over. And so it will address the phase two deficit. Okay. And I know that

1721
02:37:22,200 --> 02:37:24,340
that Shane's kind of wanting to respond, but can I add?

1722
02:37:24,480 --> 02:37:25,780
Let me just ask one more thing really quick.

1723
02:37:26,920 --> 02:37:28,760
So my question to be clear,

1724
02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:31,520
because I can be a little convoluted when I'm in my head,

1725
02:37:33,260 --> 02:37:36,460
is does this amount, like, what is the final amount

1726
02:37:36,460 --> 02:37:40,100
on the public works phase two?

1727
02:37:40,340 --> 02:37:42,300
Is there any leftover, or do we basically go,

1728
02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:43,880
this is what we need, this is what we're gonna sell it for?

1729
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:45,940
No, there's not any leftover.

1730
02:37:46,260 --> 02:37:49,320
We need, we need this much plus Ryan contributed

1731
02:37:49,320 --> 02:37:52,200
We did from this carry over funds to add to it.

1732
02:37:52,260 --> 02:37:52,520
Okay.

1733
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:53,140
Yeah.

1734
02:37:54,620 --> 02:38:00,160
Just remember the public works department bought part of the property of front.

1735
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:06,380
So if you add that to the 900,000 we actually made money on the property.

1736
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:07,700
Okay.

1737
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:12,820
And that was paid for from funds outside the city for that purchase.

1738
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:16,220
Okay. Thank you. That was the extent of my questions right now.

1739
02:38:16,320 --> 02:38:16,500
Thanks.

1740
02:38:16,500 --> 02:38:17,240
So,

1741
02:38:21,750 --> 02:38:26,110
I guess my question would just be, so first this is an information item tonight.

1742
02:38:30,500 --> 02:38:35,360
You specified that all we're doing right now at all your proposing that we do at this

1743
02:38:35,360 --> 02:38:43,020
point in time is have the RDA purchase the property from the city.

1744
02:38:43,340 --> 02:38:43,740
That's all.

1745
02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:44,440
Correct.

1746
02:38:45,300 --> 02:38:51,800
So in terms of the eventual use, if the intention is that the RDA will then sell it to someone

1747
02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:57,940
that's the intention. We'll be brought along on all that, we'll be brought along on all that, too, is the RDA board.

1748
02:38:58,920 --> 02:38:59,260
Yes.

1749
02:39:01,260 --> 02:39:02,200
And so,

1750
02:39:04,820 --> 02:39:19,620
we are not specifying, we're suggesting that the eventual use would be for affordable housing, but that's not what we'll be specifying when we vote on it.

1751
02:39:19,720 --> 02:39:21,580
It'll just be the sale, right?

1752
02:39:21,580 --> 02:39:28,140
Exactly. Yes, that will be future things but that will be open for discussion with the RDA board like I said

1753
02:39:28,140 --> 02:39:30,880
You know, there is a proposal that I could bring back to you

1754
02:39:31,640 --> 02:39:38,420
But that is absolutely up for discussion. This is only to purchase a property to move forward on that in the next step. Okay

1755
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,800
Any more councilor questions?

1756
02:39:44,650 --> 02:39:45,130
Okay

1757
02:39:45,750 --> 02:39:46,230
Oh

1758
02:39:47,490 --> 02:39:53,410
Mr. Pace. Okay. See just to clarify on the future use of the property because this property is located out

1759
02:39:53,470 --> 02:39:59,970
side of the project area. You have greater flexibility to discount the purchase.

1760
02:40:10,800 --> 02:40:27,560
Thank you. Yes, other than if the RDA owns it and they sell it and recouped surprise, but yes, you're right, Lynn. Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't used for affordable housing, we would have to get the praise value back. Let's correct on that. Thank you, Lynn.

1761
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:34,680
All right. So I get the fun part of it. Thank you.

1762
02:40:34,700 --> 02:40:45,200
We're talking about the HTRZ, so this tonight it's just a formality of the HTRZ that's required to do before we can receive any tax increment financing on it.

1763
02:40:46,360 --> 02:41:00,980
And so this is something that needs to happen at a later date but we thought it would be good to do it now and also use it kind of as an opportunity to give an update on the HTRZ to those new RDA board members and also those that are on the board it before.

1764
02:41:00,980 --> 02:41:19,960
So, this is a reminder on in September of 2025, the Housing and Transit Reinvestment Committee which is a state committee formally approved the creation of the Sandy Karen's HTRZ and that's really with these ones the only step that's needed to create it.

1765
02:41:19,960 --> 02:41:49,900
So it currently exists, but in the code there's a requirement that the city created it, but the RDA has to administer it and manage it, and before we can do that, the city council and the RDA board have to enter into an interlocal agreement that just specifies that you'll receive the money as the city, and then you'll pass it through to the RDA, and we will use it to administer and pay for approved funds as permitted.

1766
02:41:49,900 --> 02:41:51,180
it in the HCRZ application.

1767
02:41:52,300 --> 02:41:55,300
So it's just really a formality is what this deck is.

1768
02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:59,860
And I know we included, there was a question that was asked before about what's unique

1769
02:41:59,860 --> 02:42:05,240
about the Sandy Karen's HCRZ as a big chunk of it is in our current Civic Center North project

1770
02:42:05,240 --> 02:42:05,640
area.

1771
02:42:06,020 --> 02:42:12,380
So we included a map in your packet that shows the boundaries of the HCRZ and the current

1772
02:42:12,380 --> 02:42:16,480
boundaries of the Karen's of the Civic Center North.

1773
02:42:16,480 --> 02:42:22,480
So the pink is the Civic Center North, and the red outline is the Caron's HDRZ.

1774
02:42:23,780 --> 02:42:32,160
And so the code specifies that if any of the overlap of the HDRZ is in a project area two,

1775
02:42:32,780 --> 02:42:38,400
that will have to amend the Civic Center North before we can take HDRZ increment there.

1776
02:42:38,700 --> 02:42:41,600
But we'll do that at a later date, because it's not required right now.

1777
02:42:42,940 --> 02:42:43,860
Any questions?

1778
02:42:43,860 --> 02:42:44,620
Is

1779
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:54,040
this the HTRZ application that we're seeing and who wrote it, who did it?

1780
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:57,840
So that was done in-house by us and then Gardner helped us make it look fancy.

1781
02:42:58,220 --> 02:42:59,740
That's pretty, you guys did a good job.

1782
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:00,500
Yeah, thank you.

1783
02:43:01,340 --> 02:43:02,080
This was good.

1784
02:43:04,020 --> 02:43:06,400
Can I add something, Madam Chair?

1785
02:43:07,180 --> 02:43:14,990
We don't usually like to chewed our own horns, but when we presented, it was raw by myself and

1786
02:43:14,990 --> 02:43:19,570
the mayor to the state committee, and they did say, you know, this was the most complete

1787
02:43:22,230 --> 02:43:25,990
best HTRZ application they've received to date. So they let, you know, the mayor know

1788
02:43:25,990 --> 02:43:30,270
that and us and our presentation. So, like I said, I never want to tutor on home, but

1789
02:43:30,270 --> 02:43:34,850
I figured, you know, we spent eight months on this. We worked with all the taxing entities

1790
02:43:34,850 --> 02:43:41,070
are lobbyists with the mayor administration. And so it was a lot of work, but yeah, so just

1791
02:43:41,070 --> 02:43:42,190
I just wanted a two-hour one time.

1792
02:43:42,970 --> 02:43:46,730
You can do it every time you get up to the microphone if you want to see what I can say.

1793
02:43:50,590 --> 02:43:53,250
No, that is against the rules at council meetings.

1794
02:43:57,630 --> 02:44:00,950
Where are there any other questions on that item, Madam Chair?

1795
02:44:02,610 --> 02:44:02,810
Council?

1796
02:44:03,290 --> 02:44:03,370
No.

1797
02:44:04,130 --> 02:44:04,370
Okay.

1798
02:44:05,370 --> 02:44:09,850
The next item on the agenda is just approval of minutes for the meetings of August, RDA meetings

1799
02:44:09,850 --> 02:44:11,730
of August 5th and November 18th.

1800
02:44:12,290 --> 02:44:14,230
I'll make motion to approve those minutes.

1801
02:44:14,530 --> 02:44:14,930
We

1802
02:44:19,380 --> 02:44:20,480
have a motion in a second.

1803
02:44:21,140 --> 02:44:24,500
And a roll call vote, Board Member Houseman.

1804
02:44:24,780 --> 02:44:24,900
Yes.

1805
02:44:25,380 --> 02:44:26,240
Board Member DeKaiser.

1806
02:44:26,500 --> 02:44:26,600
Yes.

1807
02:44:27,260 --> 02:44:28,100
Board Member D'Souza.

1808
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:28,680
Yes.

1809
02:44:29,160 --> 02:44:29,980
Board Member Stroud.

1810
02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:30,420
Yes.

1811
02:44:30,800 --> 02:44:31,200
Madam Chair.

1812
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:31,880
Yes.

1813
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:32,920
Board Member Cresciensen.

1814
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:33,320
Yes.

1815
02:44:33,660 --> 02:44:34,460
And Board Member Nicol.

1816
02:44:34,620 --> 02:44:34,820
Yes.

1817
02:44:35,720 --> 02:44:36,460
That's all I have.

1818
02:44:36,680 --> 02:44:37,380
That's all you have.

1819
02:44:37,560 --> 02:44:37,800
Thank you.

1820
02:44:37,800 --> 02:44:38,640
Thank you very much.

1821
02:44:38,780 --> 02:44:39,380
Appreciate you.

1822
02:44:39,900 --> 02:44:40,540
All right.

1823
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:43,360
I need to make a motion to adjourn the RDA meeting

1824
02:44:43,360 --> 02:44:45,320
and reconvene the City Council meeting.

1825
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:46,900
Do I have a second on the motion?

1826
02:44:47,280 --> 02:44:48,020
Some move, second.

1827
02:44:48,580 --> 02:44:49,300
All in favor?

1828
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:50,340
Aye.

1829
02:44:50,740 --> 02:44:51,240
Any opposed?

1830
02:44:52,660 --> 02:44:57,520
All right, that has taken us to the bottom of our agenda

1831
02:44:57,520 --> 02:44:59,420
and to standing reports.

1832
02:45:00,430 --> 02:45:29,810
Mr. Freddo. Thank you, Madam Chair. I apologize. I'm going to be looking at my screen here. Okay, a couple of updates from our office. You have an invitation to the Hale Legislative Night in front of you. Please let Chris know ASAP, if you'd like to attend to attend, and she will RSVP for you. As soon as you can. Thank you. A reminder that the 21st, so next Wednesday, not tomorrow,

1833
02:45:29,810 --> 02:45:35,210
but a week from tomorrow is local officials day, I believe, all of you are registered to attend, which is awesome.

1834
02:45:36,470 --> 02:45:41,490
I'll be there as well, and obviously the youth council will be there, so it should be really exciting.

1835
02:45:42,690 --> 02:45:50,990
And then you got an email from Justin today. We have the kickoff meeting for the management study

1836
02:45:51,690 --> 02:45:59,310
of the public utilities department. It is also on the 21st. Matrix, our consultant will be here for the

1837
02:46:00,010 --> 02:46:05,710
site visit starting on January 26th through the 28th, so they're coming right at the beginning of the study.

1838
02:46:07,190 --> 02:46:14,110
We are setting aside some time on the 27th, which is a Tuesday, for a couple hours prior to council meeting,

1839
02:46:14,570 --> 02:46:19,470
for you guys to come in and meet with the consultant if you'd like to individually.

1840
02:46:19,650 --> 02:46:25,550
You may remember in the fire management study that we, council members all had an opportunity to come in

1841
02:46:25,550 --> 02:46:27,570
and have stakeholder interviews, that type of thing.

1842
02:46:27,710 --> 02:46:29,130
So it'll be kind of a similar situation,

1843
02:46:29,150 --> 02:46:31,750
maybe a little less formal than that.

1844
02:46:31,770 --> 02:46:33,350
But you all have the opportunity to come in.

1845
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:37,070
Let Justin know when you might be available to come in

1846
02:46:37,070 --> 02:46:39,190
so that we can make sure to set aside time for you

1847
02:46:39,190 --> 02:46:43,010
as individuals or in small groups so that we don't necessarily

1848
02:46:43,010 --> 02:46:45,190
have to call a meeting to do that, for example.

1849
02:46:47,150 --> 02:46:51,910
And then one final reminder, we're going to do kind

1850
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:54,350
of an informal photo right after the meeting tonight.

1851
02:46:54,350 --> 02:47:01,390
This photo is not going to be our polished, shined, final council photo, but we need kind of a placeholder photo.

1852
02:47:01,770 --> 02:47:02,870
And so that's what it's going to be.

1853
02:47:03,170 --> 02:47:06,990
We're going to be out on the stairs on the hallway and Liz is going to take it.

1854
02:47:07,070 --> 02:47:08,810
She's going to do an amazing job as she always does.

1855
02:47:09,690 --> 02:47:15,230
And the final thing that I'd like to go over is just the agenda for next week.

1856
02:47:16,450 --> 02:47:24,230
We are going to have our colleagues from the MVP shelter coming in to do their annual

1857
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:26,010
will update to the City Council.

1858
02:47:28,290 --> 02:47:34,570
We are going to receive an update from our former events coordinator and our new events

1859
02:47:34,570 --> 02:47:40,610
coordinator on the look back at events in 2025 and look forward to this year.

1860
02:47:41,470 --> 02:47:48,190
We've got a couple of first readings from council members, Nikol and the Kaiser that are on

1861
02:47:48,190 --> 02:47:48,690
the agenda.

1862
02:47:49,610 --> 02:47:54,710
We have a public hearing for the summer haze annexation which we discussed last month.

1863
02:47:56,050 --> 02:48:03,870
We've got the parameters resolution for the Arbor building that you directed be put on the agenda this evening.

1864
02:48:04,470 --> 02:48:08,410
The autumn all code of Emma that Mr. Wilcox presented earlier tonight.

1865
02:48:08,930 --> 02:48:17,150
And then we have a few items related to the presentation that our RDA staff just made.

1866
02:48:17,150 --> 02:48:22,870
that will be on the agenda, a couple city items and there will be an RDA meeting with

1867
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:24,430
some items for the RDA to consider.

1868
02:48:24,670 --> 02:48:26,050
So a pretty full agenda next week.

1869
02:48:27,010 --> 02:48:33,690
And then on the 27th we're going to have the update to our council budget priorities for

1870
02:48:33,690 --> 02:48:35,630
the upcoming fiscal year.

1871
02:48:35,790 --> 02:48:37,850
We've got Matt Dixon coming in to help us out with that.

1872
02:48:37,950 --> 02:48:39,610
He's the same gentleman that did it last year.

1873
02:48:40,350 --> 02:48:45,130
This one should be a little bit more succinct than the last go around which was two workshops

1874
02:48:45,130 --> 02:48:47,750
And again, that's because we're looking to just update this time.

1875
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:48,950
We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

1876
02:48:50,090 --> 02:48:51,710
And that's it from me, Madam Chair.

1877
02:48:52,450 --> 02:48:52,690
Thank you.

1878
02:48:53,070 --> 02:48:53,630
Thank you.

1879
02:48:54,410 --> 02:48:55,290
Councilmember Business.

1880
02:48:55,810 --> 02:48:56,590
Ms. Nichol?

1881
02:48:57,310 --> 02:48:58,530
I've been the chocolate off my face.

1882
02:48:59,290 --> 02:48:59,570
OK.

1883
02:49:01,310 --> 02:49:04,350
So I wanted to give a special shout out to IT.

1884
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:06,230
They have been awesome.

1885
02:49:06,590 --> 02:49:09,430
They've set up my iPad and reported.

1886
02:49:09,650 --> 02:49:11,310
I've reported pushing a lot.

1887
02:49:11,550 --> 02:49:14,390
And they are just like spot on with getting replies in that.

1888
02:49:14,390 --> 02:49:17,850
And yes, all of my pushing notices have been real pushing notices.

1889
02:49:19,210 --> 02:49:25,470
And I wanted to thank the public commenters, Mr. Butters, Rebecca Colley, Doug, and

1890
02:49:25,470 --> 02:49:30,850
Erin, and particular Erin, for her brave comments about the housing project that's proposed

1891
02:49:30,850 --> 02:49:33,090
on 19th and 13th-East.

1892
02:49:33,410 --> 02:49:37,550
And I didn't want to, I wanted to remind the administration to try and touch base with

1893
02:49:37,550 --> 02:49:53,930
Charlotte on the 28th, because we've had delegates from Resick come in, and they've also been able to do the 4th of July, and we would love to have them be able to participate on the other ones performing.

1894
02:49:54,570 --> 02:49:55,810
Ryan is working with her.

1895
02:50:03,540 --> 02:50:24,800
You preempted what I was, yeah, because I said, I said an email asking about that. How can I help? What's the process look like to get the date changed? You're already on it. So, thank you for that. I really don't have any, any other updates, other than just to, like, councillors, no, I will need to join virtually next week for our meeting, but thank you so much.

1896
02:50:27,300 --> 02:50:34,800
I just wanted to say thank you to the Police Department, Amy Bryant and Chief Arnold.

1897
02:50:35,160 --> 02:50:35,820
I can't see.

1898
02:50:35,980 --> 02:50:36,320
There you are.

1899
02:50:36,420 --> 02:50:36,560
Hi.

1900
02:50:37,620 --> 02:50:41,700
And Mayor Zoltanski and Shane and Katie, I believe.

1901
02:50:42,180 --> 02:50:42,300
Yep.

1902
02:50:43,100 --> 02:50:50,040
For all coming and hosting the crime update for Historic Sandy last night, I thought it went really well.

1903
02:50:50,300 --> 02:50:52,700
There were some awesome suggestions that came out that

1904
02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:59,300
the administration and I are going to work on together and hopefully some really good things

1905
02:50:59,300 --> 02:51:01,940
to increase the neighborhood watch and help the situation.

1906
02:51:02,320 --> 02:51:04,180
So, just really appreciate that.

1907
02:51:05,500 --> 02:51:06,340
Ms. Trapp.

1908
02:51:07,620 --> 02:51:10,100
Two committee meetings last week, so healthy Sandy.

1909
02:51:11,320 --> 02:51:16,880
And they started out and they did this last year as well, but kind of went around the different

1910
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:17,960
community partners.

1911
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:23,920
Just talking about what they do to help the city and there's always great things going

1912
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:27,000
on the library, the club for boys and girls.

1913
02:51:27,660 --> 02:51:32,480
One thing that they really talked about, so meals on wheels, with the Salt Lake County

1914
02:51:32,480 --> 02:51:38,580
EGEM services, they're looking for volunteers, takes about an hour, you can just sign up

1915
02:51:38,580 --> 02:51:43,980
on a specific day, you go pick up the meals and drop them off, but the seniors and the residents

1916
02:51:43,980 --> 02:51:45,240
really appreciate that.

1917
02:51:45,240 --> 02:51:51,460
So if anybody knows anyone, you know, they're always looking for volunteers to do that.

1918
02:51:52,400 --> 02:51:57,940
And then we had our youth council meeting as well and they are getting ready for next

1919
02:51:57,940 --> 02:51:58,260
week.

1920
02:51:58,520 --> 02:52:04,220
We're meeting legislators up there on the hill and, you know, hopefully they, we shifted,

1921
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:07,400
losing Chris went virtual with it.

1922
02:52:07,400 --> 02:52:10,340
And I think it was kind of the first time that I've been a part of youth council meeting

1923
02:52:10,340 --> 02:52:12,280
that they've done virtually and they did a great job with it.

1924
02:52:12,280 --> 02:52:13,880
but those are little technology natives.

1925
02:52:15,140 --> 02:52:19,080
But I discussed about some possible policy

1926
02:52:19,080 --> 02:52:24,840
that they can hopefully prepare and present next week.

1927
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:26,660
And a lot of great ideas.

1928
02:52:27,240 --> 02:52:31,180
And that's these high school teenagers just coming up

1929
02:52:31,180 --> 02:52:35,180
with a wide variety of ideas, but they really honed in

1930
02:52:35,180 --> 02:52:37,740
on for them was affordable housing.

1931
02:52:38,360 --> 02:52:40,840
And just looking at that component

1932
02:52:40,840 --> 02:52:46,860
and the challenges, you know, as they start aging into that, you know, that age group

1933
02:52:46,860 --> 02:52:51,920
will be looking for housing and rent costs. So, you know, that was a really interesting

1934
02:52:51,920 --> 02:52:57,120
to listen to them and hopefully, you know, be able to select it and move forward and, you

1935
02:52:57,120 --> 02:53:01,600
know, be up there. And if they are one of them last year, when they were able to present,

1936
02:53:01,800 --> 02:53:06,460
you know, so Council, you know, come in and support, you know, watch them and, you know, listen

1937
02:53:06,460 --> 02:53:10,640
into the rest of the youth councils as well, because those are our future, those kids

1938
02:53:10,640 --> 02:53:15,920
that are our future. But fingers crossed with that and looking forward to it another year,

1939
02:53:16,200 --> 02:53:21,640
you know, both Liz and Chris, you do an outstanding job with that, so I really appreciate everything

1940
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:25,920
that you do with them and they do as well. They're always so complimentary of the two of

1941
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:26,000
you.

1942
02:53:27,020 --> 02:53:27,500
Is it?

1943
02:53:28,020 --> 02:53:30,980
Madam Chair, can I make one comment on the follow-up with the youth council?

1944
02:53:31,980 --> 02:53:38,360
Representative Clinton Ocarlint has offered to take our Youth Council on a tour of the

1945
02:53:38,360 --> 02:53:38,960
capital.

1946
02:53:39,260 --> 02:53:43,160
So he graciously accepted that invite the extended to him.

1947
02:53:45,640 --> 02:53:47,440
Mr. Suza.

1948
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:49,280
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1949
02:53:49,620 --> 02:53:55,280
I just wanted to mention something that I plan to begin working on again.

1950
02:53:56,220 --> 02:54:01,660
It has to do with the commercial truck parking ordinance and so Mr. Butters has come for

1951
02:54:01,660 --> 02:54:06,760
the last few years to express his concerns over the ordinance, and I don't know if the council

1952
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:14,440
knew at the time that the ordinance that was passed effectively prohibited truck parking

1953
02:54:14,440 --> 02:54:20,300
in anywhere in Sandy. I don't think that that was the stated intent or no intent, so but

1954
02:54:20,300 --> 02:54:26,240
ultimately when we started looking into this, it was myself and council member Sharky and

1955
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:34,780
and the previous District One Council member, the map, so we had Zlocco take the ordinance

1956
02:54:34,780 --> 02:54:38,920
and bump it up against a map and show us, you know, based off of the language and the

1957
02:54:38,920 --> 02:54:43,840
ordinance, where is allowed, and there were two spots, and one of them actually had a fire

1958
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:45,860
hydrant in front of it, so it wasn't actually a spot.

1959
02:54:46,500 --> 02:54:52,080
I think that there maybe has been one change since then because a section of Monroe Street exists

1960
02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:58,080
this now that didn't exist then, that may, you know, fall in with the ordinance, however

1961
02:54:58,080 --> 02:54:59,940
should housing go there than that would be.

1962
02:55:00,700 --> 02:55:28,520
And so in working with Mr. butters and others that, you know, he's kind of championed this conversation to continue and others that have an interest professionally from an employment standpoint. I do want to start working on that. So if any council members have any interest in joining, then let's get together and do that. So I will reach out. Thank you.

1963
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:40,700
And I'll give my councilmember business, councilmember Nicol and I spent a whole lot of time yesterday on both policy and budget.

1964
02:55:40,920 --> 02:55:47,240
We attended the Utah Taxpayers Association pre-legislative breakfast, that was a three-hour ordeal.

1965
02:55:47,860 --> 02:55:56,900
A lot of the legislators came and pitched their bills and there wasn't a lot of friendliness in the room.

1966
02:55:56,900 --> 02:56:05,080
So, I can, and then we went to the LPC meeting another two hours of really some repetition.

1967
02:56:05,300 --> 02:56:09,180
There is a common thread, guys, that's a little bit concerning.

1968
02:56:09,540 --> 02:56:18,360
And that is, the legislators believe that all state agencies, local agencies, everyone

1969
02:56:18,360 --> 02:56:22,060
needs to tighten our belts and cut costs.

1970
02:56:22,060 --> 02:56:29,500
They believe that the cost of living has gone too high in Utah, that Utah is no longer

1971
02:56:29,500 --> 02:56:29,920
Utah.

1972
02:56:30,900 --> 02:56:34,760
And we are one of the most, we're getting to be one of the most expensive states in

1973
02:56:34,760 --> 02:56:40,940
certain ways across the country, highest tax rates of any red state in the country.

1974
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:48,680
One of the ways they want to reign in spending is to, is on tax increases.

1975
02:56:48,680 --> 02:56:53,460
There is a common thread here, it's very worrisome, we heard about it from several.

1976
02:56:53,880 --> 02:56:55,220
We heard these words.

1977
02:56:55,880 --> 02:57:01,620
There is no reason that a local government should need to increase their taxes more than

1978
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:03,880
the cost of living.

1979
02:57:07,100 --> 02:57:12,840
So in the state budget, this year, Governor Cox's budget was 2.6%.

1980
02:57:13,800 --> 02:57:18,980
So I don't know how you buy police cars.

1981
02:57:18,980 --> 02:57:26,560
I don't know how you do the necessary things, we're going to need to work very hard with

1982
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:26,760
them.

1983
02:57:27,240 --> 02:57:34,600
We do know that the Chair of the Reven Tax on the House is TV Listen.

1984
02:57:36,120 --> 02:57:41,360
So I have already started talking with him to get him to understand our point of view.

1985
02:57:42,120 --> 02:57:44,140
We all will probably need to do that.

1986
02:57:44,140 --> 02:57:49,620
But it's a little too early yet for us to start putting out APBs on certain things.

1987
02:57:49,860 --> 02:57:53,240
But the commonality of this thread is clear.

1988
02:57:53,840 --> 02:58:01,920
They feel that municipalities, school districts are all raising taxes too much.

1989
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:09,040
I have argued that if they set a cap, which is the proposal of some of these bills that are coming out,

1990
02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:15,020
There's one that's coming out with a cap of 3%, one that's coming out with a cap of 5 in any given year.

1991
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:35,280
My argument is that will increase taxes overall, because if you put restraints on us the logical assumption is that we will raise taxes maybe more than we need to in order to protect ourselves from something unexpected and I think it backfires in consideration of the taxpayers.

1992
02:58:35,280 --> 02:58:42,200
pairs. I think we will just raise taxes more in the face of an annual limit. So that's

1993
02:58:42,200 --> 02:58:47,460
my point of view that I've tried to argue. But that is what we're facing. There's certain

1994
02:58:47,460 --> 02:58:55,840
thing, they're feeling like there's some proposals that we may lengthen the Truth in Taxation

1995
02:58:55,840 --> 02:59:02,060
Period. We'll see where that goes. The feeling is that maybe we ought to adopt our budgets

1996
02:59:02,060 --> 02:59:05,060
It's in April or May, instead of June.

1997
02:59:07,500 --> 02:59:14,300
So the purpose of that is to give the public a longer period of time to engage.

1998
02:59:15,980 --> 02:59:24,300
Again, I think some of this is rooted in the legislators not understanding what we do and our business.

1999
02:59:24,620 --> 02:59:30,080
And so I think more than ever it's going to be important for us to get involved and

2000
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:34,380
to talk to our legislators and bring them along on our point of view.

2001
02:59:35,460 --> 02:59:44,780
I think also Mr. Pace and I had the chance to host the American Preparatory Academy's

2002
02:59:44,780 --> 02:59:45,320
field trip.

2003
02:59:45,820 --> 02:59:46,720
It was really fun.

2004
02:59:47,100 --> 02:59:48,800
We had so many questions.

2005
02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:54,840
We couldn't answer all their questions in the 40 minutes we had with them so it was wonderful

2006
02:59:54,840 --> 02:59:58,520
to have so many questions coming our way from these.

2007
03:00:04,080 --> 03:00:11,420
All right. Moving on to Mayor's report. Madam Mayor. Thank you, Madam Chair.

2008
03:00:13,060 --> 03:00:21,120
I've been getting ready for the legislative session together with everyone on administration and preparing.

2009
03:00:22,480 --> 03:00:28,820
So please that Ryan Meakham is joined the Mayor's administrative team to assist on government

2010
03:00:28,820 --> 03:00:32,180
and affairs and public affairs outreach.

2011
03:00:32,680 --> 03:00:36,520
Thank you for attending LPC, me and PACE yesterday,

2012
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:40,740
and I'll, all the preparation and coverage

2013
03:00:40,740 --> 03:00:45,240
on important committees and representing the city

2014
03:00:45,240 --> 03:00:47,400
at every level of government.

2015
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:50,020
It's a big responsibility and a fast schedule,

2016
03:00:50,020 --> 03:00:51,660
so I'm so grateful for your support

2017
03:00:51,660 --> 03:00:54,520
and already are making a lot of headway progress

2018
03:00:54,520 --> 03:00:55,460
because of your presence.

2019
03:00:55,660 --> 03:00:56,120
So thank you.

2020
03:00:57,080 --> 03:01:06,100
The Central Wasatch Commission held its symposium last week, two days symposium, to join

2021
03:01:06,100 --> 03:01:11,700
as member cities of the Central Wasatch Commission reaffirm our commitment to the principles

2022
03:01:11,700 --> 03:01:18,880
of the Mountain Accord, particularly Canyon Preservation, Environmental Preservation, and

2023
03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:25,940
stewardship, developing economic opportunity, and creating access and protecting access

2024
03:01:25,940 --> 03:01:27,760
for all to Kenyan recreation.

2025
03:01:28,460 --> 03:01:35,060
So there was a Shoshone Elder who spoke was the key speaker, Darren Perry, his name.

2026
03:01:35,660 --> 03:01:43,520
He spoke so beautifully about affirming the relationship with nature, especially in

2027
03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:46,980
in our modern times, and he spoke about his native tradition

2028
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:51,720
being viewing the mountains, the rivers, the trees,

2029
03:01:52,000 --> 03:01:55,660
the air, not as resources to be consumed,

2030
03:01:55,940 --> 03:01:59,980
but as relatives, like literal relatives and relations,

2031
03:02:01,080 --> 03:02:04,440
and speaking to relations throughout generations,

2032
03:02:04,680 --> 03:02:05,180
through nature.

2033
03:02:05,820 --> 03:02:08,080
So such a beautiful and affirming experience

2034
03:02:08,080 --> 03:02:12,380
as we proceed forward, and we applaud that UDOT

2035
03:02:12,380 --> 03:02:33,600
that announcement moving forward with the enhanced bus service while yes the legislation is continuing protecting our watershed interests protecting our traffic interests and Sandy is very important, so encouraged by this news and to those who say cities don't have a role in

2036
03:02:33,600 --> 03:02:37,120
And Canyon's transportation is a UDOT matter.

2037
03:02:37,260 --> 03:02:37,980
It's a state matter.

2038
03:02:38,200 --> 03:02:43,720
Well, I think we know from our representatives on the state level, from our very productive

2039
03:02:43,720 --> 03:02:47,040
relationship with UDOT that the city's voice is very important.

2040
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:53,340
When we speak united, we stand united, we create progress, and the UDOT announcement, they

2041
03:02:53,340 --> 03:02:58,240
did not have to move forward, but they did because they know the result in Sandy.

2042
03:02:58,240 --> 03:03:07,340
So I'd like to commend our residents for standing firm expecting that enhanced bus service to move forward and we will be seeing that

2043
03:03:08,480 --> 03:03:14,360
The central was such commission received a presentation from you that's representative in the canyon

2044
03:03:14,360 --> 03:03:23,340
You can should should all go and view it to hear what that's going to look like that's bus service running every 10 minutes rapid reliable bus service to serve our

2045
03:03:23,340 --> 03:03:25,040
So that's really exciting.

2046
03:03:26,400 --> 03:03:29,460
I want to congratulate the Sandy Police Department

2047
03:03:29,460 --> 03:03:31,860
that had promotions and new hires total of 10

2048
03:03:31,860 --> 03:03:34,360
and such great turnout from retirees

2049
03:03:34,360 --> 03:03:37,400
and families and police department last week.

2050
03:03:37,400 --> 03:03:39,400
It was great to see the community support

2051
03:03:39,400 --> 03:03:41,740
and so many officers, including our new officers

2052
03:03:41,740 --> 03:03:43,740
and new hires, and meet their families.

2053
03:03:44,300 --> 03:03:45,820
So welcome to all and congratulations

2054
03:03:45,820 --> 03:03:47,520
on those important promotions.

2055
03:03:49,580 --> 03:03:51,840
The thank you Council Member Christians

2056
03:03:51,840 --> 03:03:55,120
and for attending the Neighborhood Watch meeting last night.

2057
03:03:55,480 --> 03:04:00,780
That was the second Neighborhood Watch preparation meeting that we've had since December.

2058
03:04:01,580 --> 03:04:05,080
And actually, so two Neighborhood Watch planning meetings,

2059
03:04:05,560 --> 03:04:12,360
plus coffee with the cops, it designated for the historic Sandy community.

2060
03:04:13,000 --> 03:04:18,500
So our police department is building community presence, strengthening the community,

2061
03:04:18,500 --> 03:04:22,120
strengthening relationships between the community and law enforcement.

2062
03:04:22,860 --> 03:04:26,680
The purpose, of course, community policing is to establish that trust.

2063
03:04:27,280 --> 03:04:33,760
So the police are viewed not just as the authority, as power or control, but community partners

2064
03:04:33,760 --> 03:04:34,820
and public safety.

2065
03:04:35,240 --> 03:04:38,180
So neighborhood watch is critical for historic Sandy.

2066
03:04:38,700 --> 03:04:43,020
We've really struggled to create momentum for a neighborhood watch.

2067
03:04:43,640 --> 03:04:47,620
You've attempted many times, but it now looks like we've got a group of determined citizens

2068
03:04:47,620 --> 03:04:56,500
we're going to carry that forward and I'm so grateful to them. The first meeting we had about 20 residents come out and last night a group of hardcore six.

2069
03:04:56,760 --> 03:04:59,820
So it was wonderful to talk about the Christ.

2070
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:28,580
Statistics, what's happening and everything from traffic, graffiti, the rare incident of violent crime, but working together how we can combat crime and make it safer for everyone. And we are working diligently on the administration side. And I'd like to invite intern chief Arnold to the podium to make an announcement on a brief announcement on an upcoming event that was just scheduled today, but it's going to be a very quick turnaround. So I'd ask the council to help get the word out on this.

2071
03:05:35,910 --> 03:05:46,550
On Thursday, January 22, from 5 to 7 at night, we are going to be holding a public safety

2072
03:05:46,550 --> 03:05:54,170
and crime prevention fair at the Bicentennial Park Indoor Pavilion, therefore the community

2073
03:05:54,170 --> 03:05:55,550
members of historic Sandy.

2074
03:05:56,210 --> 03:06:03,730
What we are going to be having there, we are going to have about 10 to 12 different booths

2075
03:06:03,730 --> 03:06:07,710
in there. Ranging from the Metro Gain Unit, talking about Gain-free.

2076
03:06:09,790 --> 03:06:11,030
Choose Gain-free is

2077
03:06:11,030 --> 03:06:16,210
what it's called, the booth. We'll have our victim advocates. We're going to have recruiting.

2078
03:06:17,110 --> 03:06:20,330
We'll have our dispatch center there. We'll have our homeless liaison officers who'll

2079
03:06:20,330 --> 03:06:27,590
be doing K-9 demonstration. It's an opportunity for the residents to come out and see the resources

2080
03:06:27,590 --> 03:06:33,050
that are out there for them from the police department and to make sure that

2081
03:06:34,490 --> 03:06:41,910
we're involving everyone. Obviously when we are working with our

2082
03:06:41,910 --> 03:06:47,730
neighborhoods they need to know what they can count on us for and what

2083
03:06:47,730 --> 03:06:52,230
resources are there and that's what we want to do. This was on Friday, we will

2084
03:06:52,230 --> 03:07:06,710
Also, excuse me, we will also be doing a community outreach program where we will be going out and walking the neighborhood and going and reaching people that we weren't able to reach through the community fair.

2085
03:07:06,710 --> 03:07:14,610
And so that will be from 4 to about 5.45, where we'll be walking in the community and

2086
03:07:15,110 --> 03:07:18,590
awking doors, green people walking or that are out and about.

2087
03:07:18,950 --> 03:07:29,450
So we're going to try to include other agencies with us in the public safety fair, including

2088
03:07:29,450 --> 03:07:37,730
tracks. Please, they are right there in the middle of it all. Also, we will be

2089
03:07:37,730 --> 03:07:42,430
having Sandy. We've invited Sandy Fire to come and hang out with us. I'm not sure if

2090
03:07:42,430 --> 03:07:48,030
Ryan is going to bring Freddie the fire truck or a big fire truck, but we've

2091
03:07:48,030 --> 03:07:52,290
invited them to come and hang out with us as well. So, but that's something that

2092
03:07:52,290 --> 03:07:57,850
we're reaching out to the neighborhood there and inviting everyone to come out

2093
03:07:57,850 --> 03:07:59,350
from the historic sandy area.

2094
03:08:00,870 --> 03:08:01,330
Thank you.

2095
03:08:01,550 --> 03:08:03,930
Ms. Edwards, I think you put that on our calendar, so I'm okay.

2096
03:08:04,410 --> 03:08:04,730
Thank you.

2097
03:08:04,790 --> 03:08:09,610
It would be very honored council for your attendance and support, and I just want to tell

2098
03:08:09,610 --> 03:08:14,690
the residents of historic sandy we hear you and you can look for a personal, steady presence

2099
03:08:14,690 --> 03:08:17,970
and a friendly presence from the sandy police to strengthen those relationships.

2100
03:08:18,510 --> 03:08:19,210
That's all madam chair.

2101
03:08:19,930 --> 03:08:20,070
Thank you.

2102
03:08:20,710 --> 03:08:21,370
Mr. Pace.

2103
03:08:21,370 --> 03:08:30,750
I just have two things on January 29th, 30th, and 31st will be the annual point in time count for AM in the morning.

2104
03:08:31,710 --> 03:08:35,930
City Hall will again be used, this will be our last year as a staging area.

2105
03:08:36,830 --> 03:08:46,710
They'll go to another city next year, but we're still looking for volunteers, so if you would like to be involved in that, please call Martin Jensen.

2106
03:08:46,990 --> 03:08:51,350
He can get you in touch with the right people of the county to do that point.

2107
03:08:51,350 --> 03:08:58,290
time count. Also on February 25th, the city is going to hold its annual health and safety

2108
03:08:58,290 --> 03:09:02,390
fair upstairs in the multi-purpose room. It usually starts at 9 or 10.

2109
03:09:04,310 --> 03:09:09,450
Thank you. Oh, lasting. Thank you for allowing us to continue to move forward on the

2110
03:09:09,450 --> 03:09:15,990
arbor building. We appreciate your work on it and the ability to continue to work on it.

2111
03:09:15,990 --> 03:09:19,910
Yeah, I'd like to add, thank you for your thoughtful consideration.

2112
03:09:20,450 --> 03:09:27,610
Thank you to the staff for running the analysis and so many hours of planning and preparation.

2113
03:09:28,950 --> 03:09:29,950
Nice teamwork.

2114
03:09:31,650 --> 03:09:34,810
And last but far from least.

2115
03:09:35,590 --> 03:09:41,190
Last but not least, but thank you for your comments about parks and recreation also.

2116
03:09:41,570 --> 03:09:44,810
I'm bias, but we are an amazing team, and I'll make sure to pass that along.

2117
03:09:45,670 --> 03:09:50,250
So picking up where we left off last week, we're still working on cement, concrete, pouring

2118
03:09:50,250 --> 03:09:55,830
non-footings and foundations. We were waiting on rocking out and power to move a transformer.

2119
03:09:56,190 --> 03:09:58,950
That's been done now, so we're trucking along.

2120
03:10:00,430 --> 03:10:30,050
No pun intended. But there's a couple concrete pours going on this week to help finish out the field house side and the elevator pit. They also dug a huge hole for our search tank, which is part of our full mechanicals. So that's there. They worked on the mason's for the brick, the CMU will be here on Monday. So they did start putting up all of the columns. They put up about 12 today. So it's going.

2121
03:10:30,050 --> 03:10:37,150
It's going so good, and we should see some delivery of some steel, some CMU blocks, and

2122
03:10:37,150 --> 03:10:41,410
they're digging trenches for utilities, but do you guys have any questions?

2123
03:10:43,290 --> 03:10:44,330
Other than I'm so excited.

2124
03:10:44,510 --> 03:10:45,030
Thank you.

2125
03:10:45,290 --> 03:10:46,690
I'm like, so are we.

2126
03:10:46,850 --> 03:10:51,190
We find it a little bit hard to believe that we're hearing these words too, after waiting

2127
03:10:51,190 --> 03:10:52,370
so many years on.

2128
03:10:53,630 --> 03:10:54,130
Thank you.

2129
03:10:54,210 --> 03:10:54,730
Thanks.

2130
03:10:56,330 --> 03:10:56,990
That's it.

2131
03:10:56,990 --> 03:10:59,950
I'll entertain a motion to adjourn and take a photo.

2132
03:11:00,770 --> 03:11:02,630
Motion to adjourn and take a photo.

2133
03:11:05,270 --> 03:11:06,090
All in favor?

2134
03:11:06,750 --> 03:11:07,690
Any opposed?

2135
03:11:08,490 --> 03:11:09,010
Thank you.

2136
03:11:09,310 --> 03:11:09,990
Good night, everyone.