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Good evening. Oh, had some summer upgrades. The mics are way better. Welcome back from summer

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recess. This is August 18th meeting. I'll ask the clerk to call the roll.

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Here. Here. Here. Here. Here.

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Thank

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Thank you. I'll ask Council Member Todd Walter to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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must comment that I like the flags too. They're like perfectly triangle. So, thank you.

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First item of business is to approve the consensus agenda. May I have a motion to approve?

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So moved. Second. It's been moved and seconded. All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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Say aye.

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Motion carries. Consent agenda items are approved.

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We'll start tonight's meeting with a couple of reports and presentations.

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The first of that presentation being our fire division annual report presented by Chief Zimmer.

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Good

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evening council and good evening to the residents from the community there

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here. It's it's my honor again once again to present our annual division

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updates to council in the community and it continues to be my privilege to be

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fire chief here in Upper Arlington and to represent the fire division and the

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men and women of the fire division and so their professionalism and dedication

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was on full display once again today as many of you may have heard one of

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our residents suffered a fire loss at the residents on Andover Road. So our team responded

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promptly and they were able to contain the fire and prevent it from extending beyond

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the building of origin. So I'm super proud of our team and their professionalism and

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dedication at the display daily. So with that, we'll move on with the vision updates.

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So just a quick overview of what I'm going to go over this evening. So I'm going

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touch on our annual report that was published recently for 2024. We're going to look at some

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data trends. We'll talk about training and staff development, talk about our strategic plan,

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just give you a brief update on that, where we're at, some CARES updates, talk about apparatus

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and equipment, and of course our public engagement and fire prevention week that's

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coming up in October and then looking ahead in the future beyond this fall.

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So the 2024 annual report was published to the city website recently and just kind of

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a high-level summary of what you'll find in that report.

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Hopefully everybody's had an opportunity to take a look at that.

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It's posted to the city's website.

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Last year we did about 5,000 calls for service, so about 14 runs per day, and that's pretty

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typical for what we see as far as call volume, 68%, almost 70%, EMS-related, medical-related,

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and 32% fire-related.

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And so again, this is very consistent with what we see typically here and up around the response times or average response times are again consistent with what we typically see.

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So for an EMS run, four minutes, 44 seconds, and for a fire run, four minutes and one second.

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And the busiest day of the week is Thursdays.

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And the busiest time of the day typically is anywhere between 8am and 6pm.

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And our CARES team, they did 291 social resident checks in 2024, and they had 209 new patients

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that they had contact.

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So some data trends.

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Now, this is looking over the last five years, so not just only in 2024, previous five years.

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And so we've seen an increase in our call volume, so just over 7%.

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And when you look at the numbers, so there's the percentage, but looking at real numbers

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For us, we went from five years ago from 4,700 runs that year to last year, again, just

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over 5,000 runs.

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Just to give you a little perspective of what that percentage looks like.

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We had a 10% decrease in auto aid given, and that's us leaving Upper Erelington to

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go into our neighboring jurisdictions to help them out.

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So we went from 934 down to 832.

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two. And some of that, the explanation behind that could be in part, our ladder truck as

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many of you may remember, has had some mechanical issues and so it was out of service for an

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extended period of time. And so that may be part of that explanation. And then we had

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a 19% increase in automatic aid coming into Upper Arlington. And again, partly probably

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due in part to the ladder truck being out of service, but also an increase in what

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what we call resiliency or multiple runs going on at the same time.

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So as we're looking at data, and Assistant Chief Bell and I are getting more acclimated

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to the new report management system that we have, that went online late last year, is

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really taking that data and trying to get a handle on sort of cause and effect and

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really what's going on with our workload.

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So CARES had a 150% increase in patients on the calls for service over the last five years.

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And again, that can be attributed most likely to the fact that we expanded our program, right?

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So many of you may remember we went to the current system that we have of two firefighter

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paramedics that are community paramedics.

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And so their time is spent and focused on serving the community in that community

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paramedics of all.

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And so that increase is as a result of their efforts and their scheduling being available to to handle those those needs in the community

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The training hours increased 144%

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much of that due in part

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To the number of new employees that we brought on board over the last several years

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So again data trends automatic aid

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That's the help that we have either going out of the city you're coming in and so

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We've noticed an increase so we look at other jurisdictions, right?

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so we look at our help around us. And the map on the right is the stations we've identified,

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other jurisdictions around us that are typical, coming into Upper Erelington to help us over

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going there. So Mill Run is station 30, Columbus Fire Station, station 83 on Davidson Road,

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which is Norwich Township, station 19 on High Street, that's Columbus, station 11

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up North by Don Scott Airport. And so we're noticing, we look at their data also in

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just high level we see, when you combine the neighboring jurisdictions, there's a 26% increase

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in their call volume. We can get into the granular data, but for just a high-level summary,

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call volumes are going up around us. And there is also, we've noticed an early trend of

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when we have larger events like a structure fire or other, or multiple calls going on.

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farther away. And so I think part of that is explained by the fact that they're getting

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busier. And so, you know, you look at density, you look at population shifts, and, you know,

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we're getting busier. And then when we're calling for help, those stations have seen

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an increase in call volume. And so they're less available to come help us on occasion.

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And so that may explain that. So training and staff development. We

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did 6, last year, we did 638 hours of classroom and practical instruction. 479 hours

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fire and 158 hours of EMS. We do annual live fire training at the Ohio Fire

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Academy and so that's a program that started several years ago. We take our

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personnel out to the burn building at the fire academy in Reynoldsburg and

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just gives our staff an opportunity to have more realistic training just

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short of having an acquired structure here in our city to use for live

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fire training. We utilize the resources that are available to us at

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State Fire Academy. So we're fortunate to have that resource here locally where we can just

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drive over to any side and use those facilities. And then last year was a pretty incredible year

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for hiring new staff. We had 10 probationary firefighters that we hired. I think it was

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the highest number ever in our history that anybody can recall. And so the probationary

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firefighter training consists of four weeks of in-house. We call it a mini academy

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and internally, followed by intensive training

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throughout that probationary year.

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And again, Kudos to our staff.

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It's a very heavy lift for a small department.

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And it takes effort on everybody's part to assist,

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bringing those new employees up to speed

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to get them trained so that they're successful

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in their career, hopefully for a long career.

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Our strategic plan, you may remember last year,

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We finalized that whole effort of bringing together a formal strategic plan for the division,

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and this is for a five-year period of time, and so four initiatives were developed in

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training and professional development, operational performance and staffing, capital improvements

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and community risk reduction.

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And so, within those four initiatives, we have 19 goals that were identified with

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58 objectives.

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And so far, as of this month, we've already completed 25 of those falls and objectives.

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And we have 16 in progress.

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And so the remaining effort, the remaining work as we go through the next four years

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is, in many cases, things are predicated on one thing to another in successive steps.

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And so we've already made some good progress in some areas that were identified and looking

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forward to not really getting into strategic. The standards cover and community risk assessment,

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which is a very intensive day to dive into how we perform our job and how we serve the community.

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CARES updates. So, again, this was through the budgeting process last year. We had an

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additional position that was approved by council. And so Nate Hall was selected as our social

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worker that we're going to bring on full-time within the CARES program. Nate will start August 25th

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and his focus will be on referrals and follow-up from not only the fire division but also the

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police division and other city departments. Additionally, he's going to focus his efforts

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on developing mental health education and training for city employees as well as the

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community. Nate's got a broad experience within social work and just recently came

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from the Worthington Fire Division as a community risk reduction service coordinator. So licensed

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social worker and has experienced in hospital and homeless shelter settings and he previously

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served honorably in the United States Army for five-year period of time. He was infantry

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remand that team leader and within the Army, his responsibilities in the Army, he was distracting

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fellow soldiers on harassment prevention, suicide awareness, PTSD issues.

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And his education and social work was obtained at the Ohio State University.

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So continuing on with our CARES update, we're continuing to develop our engagement at the

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community center and currently we are doing blood pressure checks and working

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on a hands-only CPR training program to provide the community. Our CARES team is

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there at least twice a month now where they're available to engage with the

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public and looking into the future working on creating a resource desk

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and just coming up with a more consistent schedule of staffing that

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location just to reach out to the community. That was of course one of

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areas identified in our strategic plan. That outreach in the community was very much supported

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interest in engaging with the public more. And so this is just again one of our efforts to

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continue that making that connection with the community. Social resident checks, we're doing

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about 24 months. 48 Knoxbox installations last year. And we had a milestone that was achieved.

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We had 1,500 grab bars that were installed, 1,500 installed in the community, and that's

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in 500 homes over the last, since 2018 when we started the grab bar installation program.

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Hopefully many of you remember last year we, the CARES team was involved in the community

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health assessment team emergency preparedness kit handout.

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We did a drive-through at station 782, and that was very successful.

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And we also created a homeless kit, a pilot program, and we have kits that are available

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to hand out to those in need that we encounter in the community.

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We've given out since November, I think, four of those kits, at least four kits.

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And we work directly, very closely with the police division,

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engaging some of those individuals in the community moving into contact with them.

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And just, you know, the CARES team is continuing their supporting vulnerable and aging residents

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to include the IMPINE phone program, check-in program, and of course snow angels and other

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in-home volunteer support program.

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So apparatus and equipment, Ladder 72. So the replacement

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vehicle that was approved I think in 2022, if I'm not mistaken. It is well underway of being

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constructed. And so we get photos weekly from peers, manufacturer in Appleton, Wisconsin.

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And so we're very excited, because this is well underway now.

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We're hoping to do the return trip to Wisconsin for the final inspection of the completed vehicle, I think mid-September.

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And so you'll see that rig in service, hopefully by no later than mid-October.

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So we're very excited for that process and how the manufacturing process is going to go.

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by your safety trailer that was approved for this year's budget.

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That is in the production queue, expecting that, hopefully later this year or early 2026.

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And then you also approved a significant amount of funding for rescue tools, hydraulic battery

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operator rescue tools for fire apparatus, and that's currently on order.

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Public engagement, again, it's no surprise considering how our community is, they want

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that engagement with city staff, police division, fire division, parks and rec, other departments

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within the city. And so just kind of a recap for us this past year. July 4th is a big effort of all

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staff, right? So police division, public services, parks and forestry. And it's a strong

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collaboration that city staff has with the Civic Association. We're glad to work with

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Pacific Association closely to have a successful event for the community.

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And this year with the drone show that was undertaken, that initiated our collaboration

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with the FAA.

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And so we had an inspector come in and make sure that that was going to be a safe show

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and that we were satisfied with all the safety measures that were not only required,

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but that the vendor was able to demonstrate to not only the inspector, but to us to

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make sure that it went off without any issues.

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And so we were satisfied and I think the spectators were as well.

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And that gave us an opportunity to live for celebration to open up our emergency operations

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center and really just again, kind of putting our staff and equipment through the paces of

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preparation for the 2026 USGA senior open that will be inside our country for all of

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this year.

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And just kind of a list here, a reminder of the public engagement that we do on a

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regular basis.

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Safety town, of course, right, you know, it's always been a big drop for a number

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of years here in the community for youth, and light Ohio blue, we were excited to support

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our police division in the light Ohio blue recession that came down on Prima Road. National

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light out again, another good collaboration with the police division. Labor Day Arts Festival

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that's coming up, that's our opportunity as the fire division to really take the

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time they engage the community leading up to fire prevention in October and of

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course our public safety educators we have Jody and Pam and they are out there in

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the community not only in schools K through 8 but also helping out safety

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town and different other events across in the summertime.

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So fire

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prevention is coming up in October you'll have a resolution for you week

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about October 5th and of course this year the theme is lithium ion battery

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safety and so the city manager and I we banter back and forth about that just

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because of my concern about battery safety and lo and behold the theme this

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year is lithium ion battery safety and so really the key messaging here is

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probably you'd into fire prevention week in October is just making sure your

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smoke alarms are tested, they're working,

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haven't escaped, and keeping the batteries

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out of the trash collections cycle, right?

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And so we'll have more information to share

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with the community as we get closer

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to fire prevention week,

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but just continuing with the battery safety,

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just kind of a high-level reminder.

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So, you know, don't throw batteries into the trash.

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We don't want them in the trash bins

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and the garbage cans for the trash collectors

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to throw into the compactor.

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We have recycling locations throughout the community, certainly at the Public Service

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Center on Roberts Road in the lobby, and there's a picture there on the bottom of the lobby,

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the bins where you can dispose of batteries, all kinds of batteries, but also at different

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stores. So batteries plus low status people. Pictures on the right, so we've had, personally

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in my tenure here in the fire division, I've had two garbage trucks catch fire,

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And by all accounts, it's more than more than likely some kind of a electronic device that's failed in that process of being exposed of the garbage truck catches fire.

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We have to find a location to dump the load and then extinguish the fire.

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So we've had several of those experiences here in Upper Arlington and Rumpke Waste Disposal just recently had a public service announcement, I think this past week.

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They've had nine fires either in trash trucks or in a recycling facilities, waste transfer

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facilities and by all accounts caused by battery failures because batteries being improperly

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disposed of in the trash cycle in that process.

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And so they just recently had some advertisement and service announcements.

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Again, encouraging people to use the proper disposal techniques.

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in Swayco, it's just 45 East State Avenue,

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Pace, Pesos, we'll take batteries

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and other household hazardous goods.

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And just to wrap it up, looking ahead,

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of course, we have the Station 71 renovation

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and or relocation.

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So, you know, we're gonna start working

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through that effort and that process here,

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late fall of 2025.

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We have about $12 million allocated in the CIP,

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2028 when Station 72 is paid off.

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And so we're gonna be working closely

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with city manager's office and finance department and facilities in that effort and service delivery

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capacity.

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So with data and with our report management system and with all the things that I've shared

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with you this evening, just a high-level summary, things that are in the annual report,

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taking that data and really, you know, looking at our service delivery capacity.

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And so it's making sure that we're hitting the benchmarks that we established for what

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the community expects as far as response and how we handle emergencies.

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And so it's just that continual data evaluation.

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So monitoring what our risk is here in the city, what we expect to encounter as far

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as an emergency, and looking at our calls for service, our resiliency, that's our

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ability to handle more than one call at a time.

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And then, of course, coming up probably 2027 around that timeframe, doing that more in-depth,

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very formal data dive, which is the standards of cover of community success.

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So that's part of the strategic planning effort.

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So you'll have more information that will be for you once that portion of the strategic

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plan is made.

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That is it.

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Hopefully, I encourage you to take a look at our annual report and certainly entertain

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any questions that anybody has.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chief Simmer, for the report, and thank you for everything you guys do in the community.

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You guys are a great resource.

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Station 71, I live right behind it, and I love it.

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It's a beautiful building, but understand there's a lot of different dimensions when you're evaluating,

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are you going to renovate it or relocate it?

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If we were to decide if the data showed that it was better to relocate it,

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Would we be looking for, you know, it's very far south, 72 is right in the middle, looks

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like the north half of UA is just disproportionately without a fire station.

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Have we given any thought to what just logistically might be a better place for a fire station

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if we were to move 71?

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Yeah.

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So part of that effort of if we were to relocate is a response time analysis.

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So we would work not only internally with Chief Bell and myself, but also kinds of with

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funders that are interested architects that have that ability to take that

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response time analysis and then essentially it's concentric rings, it's

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time and distance throughout the city and so we would use that information to

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try and find available land and then based on any purposes that are

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available we would entertain potentially looking at you know space

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that we could possibly build a fire station. Would part of that analysis be

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the shared services between cities look like Worthington had the most you know

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either we are going there they're coming here with 101 I assume that that

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factors into it as well that just the busyness of the suburbs around us shared

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services for response time analysis we don't have any other fire houses are

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close enough to help us in that regard when we're looking at either whether

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it's fire response or a medical response so you think of the most

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dramatic example so house fire or cardiac arrest or stroke so you know

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you're looking at at very short-time response times. So we don't have any

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other facilities that are close enough that we'll be able to engage in a shared use type of work.

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Council Member Kulowicz. Thank you President Locke-Singio. Thank you very much Chief

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Zimmer for reporting the work of the fire division. Congratulations on the

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response times for EMS and fathers are finally important to the community and

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And people really appreciate it out there.

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I was wondering, when shared services are in place, do those response times, are they

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factored in the same way as when our own vehicles respond, because that would elongate the response

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time of the message?

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It would make the response time longer.

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I'm not aware of any shared services relative to fire in EMS, locally in central Ohio,

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for municipalities or communities of our size, distance, density.

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All right. That's very remarkable. Thank you.

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And may I ask on the social worker, Mr. Hall, how is his time

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divided between referrals and follow-ups on resident issues

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and development of education and training programs?

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How does that allocate it?

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So, we'll create a priority system internally once he comes on board just to identify outreach

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that's needed, you know, immediately to residents and then make sure that there's a balance

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between the immediacy priority of serving the residents in need versus more scheduled

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outreach, more of a programming.

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So you have to determine internally a process where we prioritize requests for his skill

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So how do you deliver that?

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It's a member.

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It's a member, Walter.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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And please thank the rest of your service members on our behalf for their good work.

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As it relates to the response times, what is the target and how do those compare to, you know,

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recommended best practices for the benchmark?

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Are we inside of those?

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Yeah, we're pretty close for response times for the initial unit, so 480 seconds for a fire response for the initial for the first unit on scene.

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Once you start getting outside of that first unit on scene, then we have eight minutes overall for, if it's a 2,000 square foot single family dwelling or smaller, we're looking at the number of people.

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So, we can get you further, we can dig in and add a little further and show you some

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data relative to how we prefer them beyond the first unit of the C.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you.

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You noted a kind of small uptick in calls.

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I think 7% if memory serves me correctly.

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Any sense as to what's driving that on, you know, over that five-year basis?

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is that an increase in population and the same number of calls or more frequency of

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the calls? It's been pretty consistent with what we've seen prior to COVID and

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then we then everything kind of got out of whack as far as what exactly is

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driving it. Is there any rhyme or reason as to why Thursday is the busiest

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day? There is not. Not that I'm aware of. Do you, last question, do you feel, do you feel that you

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guys have the adequate resources that you need from us to continue to meet your

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objectives and keep the city safe? Yeah, we certainly, we have, the

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resources that we have have been in place for a long time, the current

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configuration. So, you know, we're continuing to review the data to look

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at how we respond and how we're able to serve the community. And so I think if

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there's any needs that we see relative to how we're able to deploy resources in

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person, you know, that's something we'll probably a more formalized plan. I know

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I look, Chief Bell and I look forward to really doing a deep dive through the

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standards cover effort to kind of give you a better answer, how we're

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performing, what the expectations of the community are, and where we can

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where we can increase whether it's staffing apparatus deployment, how we navigate through

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any additional needs that we see that are wanted.

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Great, thank you.

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Mr. President Close?

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Chief Zimmer, thank you.

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Just a quick follow-up question.

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It may be more apt for next year's annual update, but I won't be here.

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So we're going to try it for right now.

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Do you have any update, just because I know you have software that's much more analytical

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than you've had before, as to how our false alarm legislation has helped hurt done anything

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in the last few months?

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We have not had an opportunity yet to take a look at that data, and I think probably

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a better indicator might be the police division, maybe, with their false alarms.

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So that's certainly an effort that we're going to look at to see what impact that has had

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on the program.

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So that's something that, again, with the more sophisticated RMS that we have, the report

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management system, and then looking at that impact, we're going to definitely take a look

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at that and have an answer.

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It's been pretty early, too, I think, eight months in, eight months or less.

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Yeah, we've had it in place for about six months live now, and I just actually

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asked place last week for an update so once we get that we'll send it up to

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all of council.

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Great thank you. Council Member Adams. Thank you for the report and

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all of your work that you do. I was curious for the community center you

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mentioned community engagement there. Have there been medical responses at

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the new center? Certainly there have been a few. I think actually on the

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first day during the ribbon-cutting. Yeah, we've had a few, you know, it's not a huge...

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Driver call volume for us, but we certainly have had some calls for scrups there.

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Is it about what we were expecting? I believe so. There's no outliers there.

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I'm very excited about the CARES expansion with the social worker. What's the plan after that to see

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kind of what's next for CARES? Yeah, so, you know, staff, we're always engaging staff on

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trying to get a sense from the community, right? It's a community engagement to see

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what's in the future for us and how we can improve our services. So I think it's

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probably working together with trying to gather that information and then

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just really come up with a plan for what's next. It's been very successful currently.

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I appreciate it. Chief, I'll add to that a little bit. So we're gonna go

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through a process next year as we as I think you all know the commission on

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aging is undergoing some transition and we're taking on some of what they're

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they've been doing over the last decade or so and so as we get the new social

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worker on staff as we transition this some of those things over I think next

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year we're gonna spend some time really thinking through what is the

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future of older adult services in U.A. more generally and kind of take that

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approach both with the team and fire and in cooperation with the team and

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the Parks and Recreation in particular and really look at that

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comprehensively. That said, to be clear part of bringing social worker position

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on is to expand CARES beyond what we've traditionally thought of as being

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an older adult services program and getting into having better services for anyone in

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UA who's in crisis.

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And so I think that's the other piece of that.

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That, you know, I think Chief and the Assistant Chief and Christine Leshan are all really

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focused on making sure that we are flexible, we have some structure but are also flexible

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enough to see where this new program, new expansion program kind of takes us.

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Thank you. And the, you know, the wins you highlighted, I think are just fantastic.

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Yeah. Chief, thanks for the great presentation and your team's doing a great job. Please thank them all.

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I want to just build off of something Councilman Adam said just about the CARES program.

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Listen, I think some people who don't have aging parents, you know, take this for granted,

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but it really does help people age in place in our community.

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It's something we should all be proud of. My favorite senior, my 89-year-old, the original Jim Lynch.

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he's a repeat caller, but he's been able to live a good life at home and stay in

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place. We're the owner of three of those grab bars, so just thanks for all

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you're doing to help people enjoy their senior years. Also, I just wanted to ask

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a question about the calls per day, 13.8. I don't really don't have any

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reference, so 13.8 sounds like a lot to me. How would that compare to like

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the city of Columbus? How would that compare like a Washington township or

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some other peers. And so where you're at, right? City of Columbus, they have some

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firehouses that do 20 to 24 runs a day. They have some firehouses that do three.

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So it just depends on the neighborhood, the community, what the demand is, that area.

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Washington Township, I think, does about 7,800 calls a year. So I think calls

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for service for, you know, the type of community that we're in is pretty

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pretty average, pretty consistent. No surprises there. And again, we have

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information from other communities. You know Columbus has 36 fire houses, again

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depending on where you're at in the city, you can be extremely busy or not so

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busy, so it just depends where you're at. Thank you. Thank you.

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Chief Sima, I just want to join my colleagues here and just thank you

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and thank you, team, through services, community, I know, you know, I'm one of

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those people that calls for my burnt chicken and the response time is always

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incredible. Question though, I've heard you talk a lot about the great work

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that you're doing and you feel very confident with the numbers that we have

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and that you have it handled on on track. Are there any vulnerabilities that

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that you see with the fire department right now

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as we think about just planning ahead?

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Yeah, so, you know, I think it's really looking at

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where we're at today and how we're providing services

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and then where we're going in the future.

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So part of the strategic planning effort

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is really trying to get a handle on, you know,

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I think probably, I don't know if the city manager

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will agree, but maybe sort of final steps

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of economic development in the city.

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So whether it's Henderson Road or Riverside Fishery,

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we see to some degree the experience

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we've had on Lane Avenue with the density and so I think that's sort of a

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predictor for you know what we can expect in the future but you know it's

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no surprise we have what was station 73 at Coach McKenzie you know there's

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there's an area of the city that we're able to get to and respond to and

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00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:21,930
provide services to the community but that's certainly an area that we're

443
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:25,890
paying attention to as far as making sure that we are able to get to

444
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:31,830
people's residence promptly and aid them when they're in need. So we're always looking at that

445
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:37,330
data, especially with what would be time and distance, you know, analysis. So where fire

446
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:42,050
stations are physically located, they're there, they're there, right? Like, it's pretty difficult

447
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:48,090
to move a firehouse. But I think looking at that opportunity of having that facility still

448
00:35:48,090 --> 00:35:53,510
maintaining that facility and opportunities in the future, whether it's, it's not,

449
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:57,790
it's not a magic like what's the magic call volume number it's looking at our

450
00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:01,570
risk looking at the types of calls that we have and making sure that we have a

451
00:36:01,570 --> 00:36:05,430
personnel and resources to do so we're looking at that and we're gonna have a

452
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:11,770
better answer for that over the next probably 18 years. Great do you want to

453
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:16,750
follow up on and great hire with the social worker that's coming on seems

454
00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:21,950
like a great background great fit for our community I do want to echo what

455
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:27,490
City Manager Shony said, because when my colleagues and I sat and we thought about that position

456
00:36:27,490 --> 00:36:33,310
and approving that position, we didn't want to add the mental health services, the things

457
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:36,310
that you're talking about here are some of the expanded services that we would like to

458
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:41,130
see, CARES handling beyond our aging population.

459
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:45,910
Talk to me a little bit about, it seems like he's going to start with the backlog

460
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:49,110
or just the callback, what's that scoop?

461
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:54,930
What does that look like in terms of the backlog that he's going to work on?

462
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:58,310
I suppose what I'm trying to, and this is not a trick question or anything,

463
00:36:58,410 --> 00:37:05,890
I'm trying to understand when he would be able to get to looking at

464
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,170
part of the expanded services that we're thinking about.

465
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:11,290
So, yeah, we don't have a backlog per se, right?

466
00:37:11,290 --> 00:37:18,530
It's really trying to really get a handle on some of the gaps we've had with different

467
00:37:18,530 --> 00:37:22,150
residents in the community with various challenges beyond just medical.

468
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:29,210
So as far as expanding his ability to reach out on the community, I think it's just a

469
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:34,970
matter of time to get him situated, you know, see what, you know, from a number standpoint,

470
00:37:35,310 --> 00:37:41,270
you know, just from a visual, it was, well, 33% of the time, 33% of the time, 33%

471
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:45,490
3% of the time, see your center and the community center.

472
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:48,230
But that's, you know, that's more of a,

473
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:50,190
I think almost like a binary, you know,

474
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:52,130
we wanna see where this person's gonna be

475
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:55,430
versus what their availability is.

476
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:57,230
You know, that'll show us all the time

477
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:01,030
and we'll make sure that his resources

478
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:02,130
are going to be used appropriately

479
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:05,330
based on the demand and the need which is there.

480
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:06,450
Okay.

481
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:07,530
Well, great.

482
00:38:08,050 --> 00:38:08,750
Thank you very much.

483
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:10,930
I don't think there's any other questions for my colleagues.

484
00:38:10,930 --> 00:38:16,710
If I can give Chris at the risk of giving him too many compliments and I do want to

485
00:38:17,350 --> 00:38:23,830
Kind of call out Chris and Mike on a couple things. He highlighted the number of hires

486
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:26,490
They've done over the past year. I think one of the things that

487
00:38:27,610 --> 00:38:32,890
You guys may not pick up on but out of the eight or so higher so far

488
00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:36,990
There's eight to ten hires so far this year and you have what four or five last year

489
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:48,930
So, out of that 20 hires, I think you've had one or two folks leave, which when you think

490
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:57,050
about turnover and match and the amount of training and bringing into a unique kind of

491
00:38:57,050 --> 00:39:02,830
culture, I do want to not let this go without complimenting them on doing that and the

492
00:39:02,830 --> 00:39:04,930
entire team on doing that very, very hard work.

493
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:10,070
I also, you guys heard it consistently, I should have had a little ticker in terms of

494
00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:16,410
how many times Chief said data, but I think both Chief Zimmer and Assistant Chief Bell in

495
00:39:16,410 --> 00:39:21,710
particular Chief, Assistant Chief Bell have really worked on making sure that the data

496
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:24,690
we have is solid and accurate.

497
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:30,110
I think in the past we had data, but it wasn't, I don't know that we always knew

498
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:36,090
what the data actually meant. And I think Mike's done a great job of really diving in

499
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:40,470
and making sure that we know exactly what the data means and not just happy that we

500
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:47,330
have a number. So those two components. Fantastic. Well, thank you very much. Thank you.

501
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:58,170
Moving

502
00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:07,490
on to our final presentation for tonight, that's from our finance director on our

503
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:12,470
Council usually I like to lead off with a with a joke on that piece but since

504
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:16,770
Chief Zimmer did such a good job tonight I'll cut him a little bit of slack

505
00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:22,030
except for except for I knew I had a good feeling he was not going to be

506
00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:27,230
asking for more money tonight because he fell or since chief Bell weren't in

507
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:33,250
their dress blue so I felt good coming in. That'll be in October.

508
00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:36,730
I tried to

509
00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:40,150
edge them on with the vulnerabilities but he didn't bite so we'll hear from

510
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:46,490
him. That's why he did such a good job tonight, very proud of it. Now so you have

511
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:50,970
the June financials in your packet it's old data at this point since you're

512
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:54,710
just coming back from summer break but you know really it looks like the

513
00:40:54,710 --> 00:41:00,290
first five months. Financials are strong income tax is doing well expenditures

514
00:41:00,290 --> 00:41:06,110
are within budget and in good shape so I thought what I would focus on a

515
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:08,570
a little bit of some of the things maybe that happened

516
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:11,210
while you were on break

517
00:41:12,450 --> 00:41:15,070
and what's coming up here over the next couple of meetings.

518
00:41:17,290 --> 00:41:19,790
So as you left for break,

519
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:22,770
we talked about refinancing bonds, here's a bond.

520
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:24,550
So we went ahead and did that in July.

521
00:41:25,330 --> 00:41:27,490
So you have the city about $2.6 million

522
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:32,110
in that rather small financing, refinancing,

523
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:39,770
reaffirmed our AAA credit rating with both movies and S&P so lots of good

524
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:48,970
things there. Coming next meeting you will get the July financials also we'll be

525
00:41:48,970 --> 00:41:56,070
coming with any mid-year budget changes really isn't a lot new there's gonna be

526
00:41:56,070 --> 00:42:00,330
some big numbers in there because we are moving some things around related to

527
00:42:00,330 --> 00:42:07,970
this bond refinancing, just appropriating some of those dollars, so there are some

528
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:13,510
big numbers in there as well as spending down some of our excess bond proceeds

529
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:17,870
that were tied to that refinancing. So there are some big numbers in there but

530
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:25,670
nothing really new, it's mostly just some small new things. And then really

531
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:30,110
Finally, we started the 26-up budget update process.

532
00:42:30,570 --> 00:42:35,410
This last week I sent the information out to directors to start working on that.

533
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:43,830
And we'll have our three meetings scheduled starting after the election in November through

534
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:47,470
December, a little expedited process this year.

535
00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:49,210
I think we're done a little bit earlier than normal.

536
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:53,430
So that's coming down the pipeline.

537
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:56,550
What's that?

538
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:58,130
That's it.

539
00:42:58,770 --> 00:42:59,150
Council Member Lynch.

540
00:43:00,130 --> 00:43:02,890
My sense is with over 10,000 members of the community center,

541
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:04,170
that's not giving you any heartburn.

542
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:06,870
I need to hear.

543
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:08,030
Thank you.

544
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:11,150
You'll hear quite a bit more next week.

545
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:13,530
So we will have a full financial report

546
00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:14,770
on the community center next week.

547
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:15,110
Thank you.

548
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:19,830
Any other council comments on the finance report?

549
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:20,370
Fantastic.

550
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:22,490
We'll now move on to legislative items.

551
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:28,830
This evening we have a series of those on the agenda because I see quite a few

552
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:32,490
members of our community in the audience. I do want to remind you that

553
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:38,530
Council welcomes comments from our community members in order to give a

554
00:43:38,530 --> 00:43:42,670
comment before us. The comment has to be on an item that's on the agenda

555
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:47,170
tonight and you need to fill out a speaker slip. These are these yellow

556
00:43:47,170 --> 00:43:51,570
slips are located outside the door. If you have those filled out just get

557
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:56,870
them up to the clerk and they will make their way up here. When your name is

558
00:43:56,870 --> 00:44:02,350
called and you come up to the podium you'll have three minutes to give those

559
00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:08,830
comments. We have a nifty traffic light system on the podium that works very

560
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:14,290
similar to your traffic light. The green means keep speaking, yellow means start

561
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:20,450
to wrap your comments up, and red means that your time is up. I'll ask

562
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:26,990
you respectfully wrap up when the red light is up. Otherwise you'll hear me say

563
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:31,410
please wrap up. You do have quite a few comments tonight and I want to be able I

564
00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:35,030
want to make sure that we get through all of those so please be respectful keep

565
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:37,990
your comments to three minutes.

566
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,200
I believe I should have all the slips now. If there's

567
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,960
anyone that still has a slip please make sure that I have it. Otherwise I'll

568
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,180
move on to the legislative items.

569
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,800
We'll start with a few up for first reading tonight,

570
00:44:55,900 --> 00:44:57,680
first reading and public comment tonight.

571
00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:59,780
The first of that is ordinance number

572
00:44:59,780 --> 00:44:59,960
2.

573
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,240
28-2025, an ordinance authorizing the city manager to enter into a development agreement

574
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:14,280
with national church residents and upper Arlington schools. City manager, Shoney. Thank you, council

575
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,420
member Coulwitz. Council member Coulwitz is abstaining from this ordinance.

576
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:29,110
Thank you. And I've got with me tonight James Russell. James and I are going to be walking

577
00:45:29,110 --> 00:45:35,230
Talking through an update on the National Church Residence

578
00:45:35,830 --> 00:45:39,850
Redevelopment Project, the specific purpose for tonight

579
00:45:39,850 --> 00:45:41,990
is to talk about the economic development agreement.

580
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:44,830
We actually have, right now, there

581
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:48,470
are really three different streams

582
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:50,450
in which this project is moving through.

583
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:52,470
So we have this process that we're

584
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:55,530
going through the Board of Zoning and Planning

585
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:57,730
is going through their process

586
00:45:57,730 --> 00:46:02,610
us to review the design and the specific land use plans related to this project.

587
00:46:03,090 --> 00:46:08,630
Same time, the school board is also reviewing their role in the three-party agreement that

588
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:09,370
we're talking about tonight.

589
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:15,290
So James and I will talk a little bit about all three of those streams, but in terms

590
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:20,410
of the actual piece of legislation that you are dealing with tonight, it is the

591
00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:24,430
development agreement and the incentives that are inherent in that development agreement.

592
00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:29,350
But if you've got questions on the other pieces of it, we can certainly respond to those

593
00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:34,670
chats available to respond to questions as it relates to anything in the VZAP process.

594
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:38,630
We also do have representatives from National Church here, if we have questions that are

595
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:42,730
more appropriate for Matt rules here and if there's something that's more appropriate

596
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:46,690
for Matt to answer, I may ask Matt to come up and speak to that.

597
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:55,510
Okay. So, the National Church Residence Program is here, what we're seeking tonight is approval

598
00:46:56,130 --> 00:47:01,830
for an incentive package that would help encourage their $85 million redevelopment, reinvestment

599
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:09,130
in their property on North Bank Drive just off of Arlington Center Boulevard.

600
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:16,670
They're

601
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:19,550
one of which they lease the other one sits vacant today.

602
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:22,710
Their plan is to construct a new corporate office building,

603
00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:25,670
which is what you see to the right of the screen here.

604
00:47:26,530 --> 00:47:30,690
They also then would have two additional multi-family units.

605
00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:33,310
Those would be age restricted senior living units

606
00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:35,110
in both of those buildings.

607
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:37,450
And I'll talk more about what's specifically

608
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:39,750
in those buildings here in a moment.

609
00:47:40,310 --> 00:47:41,950
So as you all will recall,

610
00:47:41,950 --> 00:47:51,070
City Council approved a rezoning of this district from the ORC, which is not the

611
00:47:51,070 --> 00:48:00,110
Ohio revised code. It's Office Research Commercial District. Although I

612
00:48:00,110 --> 00:48:02,650
remember all the lawyers were very happy when we stopped calling it the

613
00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:07,550
ORC because it eliminated a fair degree of confusion. That zoning district

614
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:14,050
would have allowed 76 foot tall buildings to be within 25 feet of the lake, if you recall,

615
00:48:14,330 --> 00:48:22,490
we lowered that. The new height limit was 64 feet. The project as National Church has presented it

616
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:32,970
really does, frankly, more than we thought in terms of the use of the land and the

617
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:37,410
preservation of green space. So one of the things that they've done with this

618
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:43,210
proposal is take almost all of the parking, all the parking that's practical,

619
00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:48,150
you do need some little bits of surface parking in spots, but they've

620
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:51,810
really taken the bulk of the parking and put that underneath of these

621
00:48:51,810 --> 00:49:00,070
buildings in structured parking and taken the space that was up on North

622
00:49:00,070 --> 00:49:06,850
Bank Drive as surface parking lots, they've converted that to green space that is now south

623
00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:07,350
of the building.

624
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:12,350
So that's that green – it's not a one-for-one, but in essence that's what's happened with

625
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:13,430
the site plan.

626
00:49:14,090 --> 00:49:17,950
There are no proposed changes to the roadways on the project.

627
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:22,530
You can get a good sense of it here, and as I said earlier, as you've got questions

628
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:26,350
about the zoning, Chad will be happy to answer that.

629
00:49:26,350 --> 00:49:30,770
This image is a cross section of the office building, which, if you will, again, the office

630
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:36,670
building is the one here that's appropriately labeled office on the screen.

631
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:44,090
So the image here, this is an image from National Church and their design team, shows

632
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:48,950
really the cross section of the office building and how the building stacks and as well

633
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:55,210
as where it sits on the existing site and compares the new building to the dimensions

634
00:49:55,210 --> 00:49:57,690
of the existing building on that site.

635
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:59,570
So as you can see here,

636
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:05,010
the new building is further back from the lakefront.

637
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:08,130
It is higher than the previous building,

638
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:13,090
but it does even with the rooftop mechanicals fall

639
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:19,030
pretty clearly below the standards set forth

640
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:19,610
in the zoning.

641
00:50:20,170 --> 00:50:23,230
So you have two, basically two floors of parking

642
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:30,610
top by two floors of office and you have on the lake side you have it kind of

643
00:50:30,610 --> 00:50:39,030
stepping back from the lake as it moves up. It's 58 feet tall for the office

644
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:43,830
phase two which is a senior living is about 47 and a half feet tall. They

645
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:47,390
have they are requesting one variance and that's for the front yard set back

646
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:52,110
due to an existing utility easement. You can see it there on the image the

647
00:50:52,110 --> 00:51:00,810
utility easement is 15 feet or 10 feet of the utility easement because there's a

648
00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:07,970
sanitary sewer running through there as well as AP I think also has a utility

649
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:10,510
utility easement through that space as well.

650
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:16,110
So in terms of what's in each phase

651
00:51:16,110 --> 00:51:21,410
if you will I'll go jump back I apologize for jumping back and forth so the

652
00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:25,110
The National Church Residence Headquarters Office Building, that is Phase 1.

653
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:32,030
The building immediately to the left or west of this, as you look at this, is what we'll

654
00:51:32,030 --> 00:51:33,110
call Phase 2.

655
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:40,170
And then the other two buildings are what we refer to as Phase 3.

656
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:47,380
So Phase 1 is, first of all, demolition.

657
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,920
The company intends to start demolition towards the end of the year this year.

658
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:59,100
They intend to open phase one, which is the office building in the first quarter of 2028.

659
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:05,240
That will be a 16 and a half million dollar building, 57,000 square feet of office.

660
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:10,040
That building will actually be owned by a third party developer.

661
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Am I allowed to say who it is?

662
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:14,240
Yeah,

663
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,000
the Daimler Group is anticipated to be the developer of that.

664
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,720
that, they will be signing a 30-year lease with Daimler for that building.

665
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:33,300
Phase 2, which is the first of the senior living buildings, will start fairly soon there

666
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:39,240
after intent is to have that completed by the first quarter of 2029.

667
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,720
That will be an $18 million building with 80 units of senior housing.

668
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:50,700
And then Phase 3, looking at 2031, although that's tentative in talking with the company,

669
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,500
they do want to see what the absorption is on Phase 2.

670
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They want to understand the market.

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They want to make sure that everything's going well before they firmly commit to what Phase 3 will be.

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It is currently programmed at being about a $34 million building with 120 units of senior housing.

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So, the company in cooperation with the city has done a number of community meetings.

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We did four community meetings.

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We presented the concepts to the neighbors, got some feedback, and the company has worked

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to incorporate some of that feedback into their process.

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Additionally, I do know they have been meeting either individually or in small groups with

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neighbors that have specific concerns.

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So, a little bit more about National Church.

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If you don't know, National Church is the nation's largest nonprofit developer of senior housing.

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National Church has been headquartered in UA for over 40 years.

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You can see an image of the area when it was first being developed over here on the right of the screen.

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National Church is one of the top three private employers in the city in terms of income and withholding tax.

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and they also operate First Community Village which is on the opposite end of

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Arlington as far south end of the city. So when we talk about this project

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there are a number of reasons why we think it is good for the city. James is

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going to walk you through the financial aspects of that but we do think

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from a overall city planning and design and needs of the city we think

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there's a lot to believe that this is consistent with. First of all the project

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is the first real redevelopment of anything that we've seen in that area

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for a long time and I think I hope it is the first phase the first step in the

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redevelopment of the entire corridor and it is consistent with the Envision

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Henderson plan that this council adopted earlier this year. It is the

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for, as I said, it's the first project under our new plan mixed office district, and it

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will help with the provision of senior housing within the community.

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So one of the things that we heard and saw within the data from our housing analysis

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is that there is demand for senior housing in the community.

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There is more demand for older adults to have options in terms of how they live

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than the community and how they choose to age in the community.

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And so we think this does a good job of providing for that.

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It doesn't provide an excessive amount of senior housing.

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It doesn't put us out of balance in some way, shape, or form.

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But we think that when you look at it,

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it really does help provide the portfolio of housing

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options that we're really looking for as a city.

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With that, I'm going to turn it over to James.

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Let him walk through some of the specifics

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in the development agreement and some

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the economics behind it.

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Thank you part of this development agreement I would like

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to talk about the commitments both from NCR and the city from the NCR side and

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important of this project paramount really is the retention of twenty one

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point two million dollars in annual payroll subject to city income tax that

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is required for 12 years from the issuance of certificate of occupancy

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additionally starting in five years after the issuance of said certificate

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and continuing through the 12th year of occupancy is a requirement for $5.25

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million an annual payroll in addition to maintaining that baseline. So that is the

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growth requirement as part of this development agreement. Additionally NCR

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will be grading the property adjacent to the lake that is just north of the

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lake consistent so that the city can come behind and construct a shared use

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path. Additionally, NCR will be required to make service payments to UA schools equal to

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the property taxes received in 2024. That is keeping the schools whole throughout this

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agreement. Additionally, one thing I do want to highlight with those payroll requirements

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in the event that a payroll threshold or requirement is missed with the annual report

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submitted to the finance director will be a check of the difference.

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Continuing with the commitments from NCR, NCR will replant the property to create a separate

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parcel that includes the northern portion of the lake, as well as that buffer previously

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discussed to accommodate a shared use path.

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As also mentioned earlier, it will enter into a 30-year lease with a third-party developer

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for that phase one office building.

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At the request of the schools, the NCR will enter a separate agreement that allows

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the opportunity for collaboration on educational programming and service

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opportunities. Additionally, we talked about the age restrictions, so there's a

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90 percent age restriction at 55 plus that needs to be in the deed for any

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residential properties receiving TIF funding. That 90 percent, just to explain

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that with this being a corporate headquarters, it was the company's

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request to leave some flexibility if they have to on a short-term basis

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just put up some executives where folks travel in from the company.

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On to the city's commitments in the development agreement, we'll work with

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U.A. schools to implement a 30-year parcel-by-parcel TIF

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district.

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That will be approximately a 55 – that will retain 55 percent of property

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tax for U.A. schools over the life of the TIF.

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There also is a $1 million grant from the Economic Development Fund

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that would be given at certificate of occupancy issuance and when an affidavit is delivered

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to the city stating that employees have begun to begin relocation to the site.

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Before I go into the specifics of this TIF deal, I do want to talk about just TIF in

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general and I should start with tax increment finance or TIF as we call it.

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So starting with TIF adoption on the left hand side, you'll see that revenues will

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be frozen at that base value, so in this case the revenues that were at 2024

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revenues, excuse me, be frozen base values. So that will lock in the value

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property tax for the schools and the city and that will allow for this growth

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and area tax base as you see. Coincidentally this actually does show

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a three-phase project here, so you can see what that ramp up would look like

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for this project. Those additional funds that increment is bonded against the annual revenues

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will pay down that bond. That bond will be used for infrastructure and site development cost

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and closing the gap on this project. So this project does proceed forward. And then at the

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end of the TIF, and this is a proposed 30-year TIF, the funds would be unfrozen and that base

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value would be reset to the actual value of the property at that time. And then collections would

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to resume.

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for all levy agencies, including city and schools. The source on this, SB Friedman, would like to thank them,

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National Bond Consultant and Public Finance Company. So just a infographic there.

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Getting into this TIF specifically, depending on how you calculate and really talking about

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rounding differences, this is effectively a 40 to 44 percent TIF. So that means of that additional

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increment, 40 to 44 percent will be rerouted to infrastructure costs to finance that bond.

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Over the life of the TIF, this will generate an additional $6.4 million of revenue for UA

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schools and an additional $2.6 million of revenue for the city that would not have otherwise been

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realized without this project proceeding. Important to note as well, all three phases

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will create revenue over a baseline independently of each other.

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So with this being independent TIF clocks,

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that was very important to make sure the schools remain whole.

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As an example, if you look at the chart on the right

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for the UA school's current,

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there's a tiny sliver at the bottom for phase one,

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and that's the current generation from the property.

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If we were to assume that only phase one happened

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and you would realize that jump to the larger phase one section

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In the second column, with the TIF, you could take the phase two and phase three from the

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first column and apply that to that second column, and that would be the operating picture.

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So at no point will the schools be less than whole or the city less than whole for what

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they are currently generating.

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The TIF will be used to fund $11.3 million of development costs at the site.

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Getting into the return on investment of the Economic Development Grant, again,

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this is just that $1 million economic development fund grant. I have three

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01:01:52,350 --> 01:01:56,270
scenarios here that is a conservative moderate and aggressive scenario.

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Conservative scenario is what will happen with the agreement. So by law the

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agreement will require the payment of that $6.3 million on the retention

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side and a growth of $1,050,000. From a retention perspective

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that's a 537% ROI from a growth of 5%. Again, that is assuming zero escalation that the

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first four years they operate at payroll threshold one, which is their existing payroll, and

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then immediately ramp up to that payroll threshold two with the required growth.

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The moderate scenario contemplates what is a more likely operating outcome, and that

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would be that there's a gradual ramp up across those four years to get to that

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second payroll threshold as well as an annual escalator of 3% throughout the model.

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On average, this also bumps the required years on site or the years on site in this model

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to 15 years.

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Looking at that, you can see a total ROI of 980%.

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Almost 200% on the gross component and almost 700% return on investment from a retention

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perspective.

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looking at an aggressive scenario which contemplates both the 30-year lease and

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30-year tef clock and assumes that NCR would stay on site for the duration of

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both of those items as well as that 3% annual escalator you will see a very

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positive ROI for the community.

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So as I said at the outset we're really

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looking at three kind of approval streams that this project is going

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through so this is our first week here tonight I was James and I were at the

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school board making a presentation on all this they will be considering approval

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of the same agreement at their September 9th meeting these app has their

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September 3rd work session and they will have a September 17 final review as

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as it's scheduled now, those dates are all subject to change and subject to

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decisions by each of those bodies. And then I do want to note that probably

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towards the end of this year or early next, we will be back with additional

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legislation to set up the TIF. There will be some additional legislation

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that we'll have to come back with for that. So with that, unless I'm

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mistaken, I think that is our last slide. Yes, happy to take questions or

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or we can hold those until after public comment.

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We're gonna hold those till after public comment.

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Thank you.

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I'm a little bit taller than average,

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so I'm gonna lower the dance a little bit.

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Thank you, Steve.

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We'll now move on to public comments.

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And then at that point after that,

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then colleagues will have a chance to ask questions.

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First person up is Trisha Miranda.

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Trisha, when you get to the podium, just restate your name for the record and then your three

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minutes will start.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm Trisha Miranda.

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I am here to urge you to halt any movement with the redevelopment proposal as is by National

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Church Residents for its corporate campus on North Bank Drive.

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Here are my three reasons for tonight.

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One, new developments are important to Upper Arlington.

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U.A. has made many good decisions. However, this is not one. This redevelopment plan,

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as is, does not fit our area. The height of the buildings and the amount of density will

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harm the character of Concord Village. I went to the National Church residences in and

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around Columbus, Gates Junction, Westerville, Dublin, Blacklick. Some were in eyesore.

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One, which was at the top of a neighborhood had litter everywhere, noise in the area,

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beyond the ambulances, and thick traffic patterns.

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Two, the public has received deceptive information from National Church residents.

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Published glossy materials and websites are filled with superficial tidbits.

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They are not definitive on what they are delivering to our community.

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When asked about the effects on the area, they point to the same faulty studies that

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are used across the country.

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I'm sure you have poured over those studies to see the erroneous logic, surveys, and data

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collection.

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Even more deception, we get answers from NCR that are the first left two bullet points

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of a top of a chat GPT.

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Conclusions are made by NCR and UA city without evidence.

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You have to make arguments for these conclusions to support that crime will not increase, that

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property values will not go down, and that the beauty of the area will not shrink.

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Where is the solid, deep analysis evidence?

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All I have heard is condescending tones about the fear factor of redevelopment.

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This is just a common shallow attack when folks oppose redevelopment.

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Three, national church residents is not equipped to handle and effectively manage a site with

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01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:31,870
this many complexities and numbers and still keep the integrity of our area.

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01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:36,030
They can barely handle their internal employees' complaints for their treatment.

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How will they handle our neighborhoods grievances?

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Maybe they have had only four presidents in 62 years.

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But their management turnover is high.

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01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:52,510
There is no trust that complaints in the area will be taken care of swiftly and effectively.

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01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:58,270
NCR President Susan DeMichel, who used to be the tough main part of their legal department,

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wants to add more service offerings.

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What does that mean for this campus?

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01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:05,610
What do we have in writing from them?

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Where has been our due diligence with boilerplate language to make sure that this campus is not a runaway train of issues?

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01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:20,430
where is our legal protection and some I find it unconscionable that UA City is

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making Concord Village a casualty in the plan to increase the tax base. This

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decision because it has come so far will follow us for years to come and by

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01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:36,070
then it will be too late for any remedy. Thank you. Thank you.

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Our next speaker

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up is Vicki Jaffe.

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01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:08,280
Hi, my name is Vicki Jaffe. I'm a new homeowner in Center

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Lake, which is part of Concord Village, so I'm relatively new to the issue, this

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issue generally. I attended my first meeting last month that was hosted by

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NCR at the community center and I had a couple takeaways from it. One is the

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residents and there's there's there were a lot more there that night the

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01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:38,360
residents are not opposed to the redevelopment of the property they're

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:43,700
not they're very bright there they understand that the that the buildings

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01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:49,100
are outdated they understand that NCRs bought up all the all that property

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with some intent they understand the need for housing they're they're very

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engaged, they've been engaged in this from the very beginning.

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The impression I also got was that the room was being the one,

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even though they said they they've had four meetings and they

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keep stressing, they even tried to engage the community in four

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meetings. The one I went to the impression I got that everybody

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was being lectured to, as if we didn't know that we need

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senior housing as if we didn't know that the buildings were outdated.

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NCR to a lesser extent and to a lesser extent the city has really turned a deaf

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01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:41,820
ear to the concerns that are being voiced by the community and the

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01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:47,700
residents there. They keep asking for input but they're not integrating it.

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They keep asking for, they keep asking for saying they have, they're engaging the

894
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,060
community, but they never, they are not, they're not integrating any of these

895
01:10:58,060 --> 01:11:03,640
suggestions that people have. And it's at the project, as this nice woman

896
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,240
before me said, it's just like, it's like a runaway train. It's just like

897
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:12,500
on the rails and nobody's going to get it off. Mr. Russell did a very fine

898
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:16,980
job analyzing the economics of the project, but I don't see any place

899
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:22,260
where there's been analysis of the impact on the neighborhood and the families as the project stands

900
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:32,560
right now. So I'm encouraging that this be tabled until the actual input from the residents have

901
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,860
been addressed. Thank you. Thank you. Next up is Jim Fisher.

902
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:53,470
Hi, my name is Jim Fisher. I live

903
01:11:53,470 --> 01:12:00,250
in Concord Village at 2177, partly a drive. There's been a lot of talk about the buildings

904
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:04,550
and the community, the size, the placement, this type of thing, and I think that's worthwhile

905
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:08,850
discussion, but that's not really what I wanted to talk about tonight. My concern is

906
01:12:08,850 --> 01:12:12,470
something that I think is being overlooked, and it's the construction of the buildings

907
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:18,790
themselves. If you know Concord Village, some of you may know it, it's really divided

908
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:23,930
into two segments. There's a western component that you get at from roads south in Arlington,

909
01:12:24,190 --> 01:12:29,190
Mackenzie and those, and there's a eastern section that you get at from Henderson Road.

910
01:12:30,010 --> 01:12:36,250
I live on the eastern section of Comport Village and there's really one access road,

911
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:41,070
Arlington Center Boulevard, it's the only way in. And that road is a small boulevard,

912
01:12:41,210 --> 01:12:46,650
nice road, a small boulevard, the lanes on both sides going different directions

913
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:52,610
are rather narrow with parking on both sides. And I think the use of that road is going to be

914
01:12:52,610 --> 01:12:58,990
problematic for our community going forward. Just to quantify it for you, about 70-ish homes

915
01:12:58,990 --> 01:13:05,010
on the east side will be affected by the use of Arlington Center Drive as a construction avenue

916
01:13:05,010 --> 01:13:14,750
for this project. You heard in the presentation that the project overall is a 2025 to 2031

917
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:20,890
type of a project, so five, six years. I'm concerned, first of all, that it's

918
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:25,570
open-ended. You saw the word tentative there, and so it's a five-plus year

919
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:30,310
construction project. I've actually had a person associated with the project

920
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:34,310
tell me, you know, it could go ten years. And so if you can imagine living

921
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:39,670
near or in a construction zone for that period of time, that's a

922
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:45,250
long time. There are questions about how often there will be construction delays.

923
01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:50,030
There'll be a lot of materials coming in on that road. Construction delays could

924
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:55,510
be a problem taking it down to one lane access. That raises the issue of in a

925
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:59,850
community where there's a number of older people and there are monthly

926
01:13:59,850 --> 01:14:04,610
emergency services back into the area. We have to be very concerned about

927
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:09,910
access for those emergency vehicles. Very concerned about that. At the end of a

928
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:13,370
five or six year construction project, what will Arlington Center Boulevard

929
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:17,490
look like? It will be I'm sure pretty well torn up and are there is their

930
01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:23,230
funding to recover from that. So I guess what I would say is there have to

931
01:14:23,230 --> 01:14:27,330
be other options rather than using Arlington Center Boulevard. I believe

932
01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:31,010
there are a couple. One that I'll speak to is I think there's an

933
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:37,770
opportunity to build a temporary construction road that is to the west of the National Church

934
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:43,490
residence properties that goes straight out to Stonehaven across what is a piece of the

935
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:45,250
park adjacent to the ball diamonds there.

936
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:47,290
I'd ask you to look into this.

937
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:51,850
I don't think there's been enough thought given to the how it's constructed piece

938
01:14:51,850 --> 01:14:56,450
and it's going to be very problematic for the people who live back in that area.

939
01:14:57,190 --> 01:14:57,930
Thank you.

940
01:14:58,410 --> 01:14:58,770
Thank you.

941
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:58,850
Thank you.

942
01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:11,760
Next speaker up is Kanu Goyal. Hopefully I said that right. Goyal, Goyal, okay.

943
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:23,360
Hi, thank you everyone. My name is Kanu Goyal. I live on 2230 Concord Village Drive. It's the house across the narrowest part of the West Lake.

944
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:29,360
week. And I've been here for 11 years and it's been a wonderful community. And the presentation

945
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,340
that was recently given, there really is – it's an impressive ROI on the investment

946
01:15:33,340 --> 01:15:37,820
and the redevelopment. So, frankly, it's a little hard to argue against that process.

947
01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:43,680
But it does feel like the community, the Concord Village community, is paying the

948
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:49,260
price. And this was our concern three years ago when the rezoning occurred in several

949
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:56,860
meetings. We have had, since then, multiple meetings with NCR and with a lot of conversations

950
01:15:56,860 --> 01:16:02,600
that have occurred. I'm not sure I really saw any concessions made. It was suggested

951
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,580
that concessions were made or some of the suggestions that were made were taken into

952
01:16:06,580 --> 01:16:10,300
consideration, but I have personally yet to see those adjustments.

953
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:13,200
So I would propose

954
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:18,800
that the corporate building, which is in my backyard, literally my backyard, a stone's

955
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:25,280
throw away from my dock, decrease their height, increase the setback, improve the softscape

956
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:31,160
and landscaping, avoid a shared path that will feel like it's in my backyard.

957
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,780
And I'm asking all of you here to please hold on voting on the proposed redevelopment

958
01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:43,620
process or on NCR until our concerns in the community and our requests are fully

959
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:52,120
evaluated. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker up is Carly Witherspoon.

960
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:05,300
I have

961
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:11,140
lived in Concord Village for 41 years and I'm in favor of all the points that you

962
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:17,000
will hear from my fellow village neighbors. I feel strongly about the

963
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:22,520
building size and the beautiful homes that are right across from that view

964
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:28,740
and I feel that the new headquarters that's going to be owned by Daimler and

965
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:34,580
rented should be back where the headquarters are presently. It wouldn't

966
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:40,200
be such a tall building right when you come in off the North Banks for our

967
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:48,620
neighbors to look at. So I don't know why that has to be moved. I also feel

968
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:59,360
that a service road, as Jim Fisher said, should be either at the other end over by Henderson

969
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:05,320
or maybe out the other way by public storage, some way that we don't have to deal with all

970
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,400
that construction for so long.

971
01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:15,320
Mud coming in our garage is noise, nails, all the trucks in and out, tearing places

972
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:23,760
is down and also rebuilding is going to last a long time and be very inconvenient to all

973
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:32,240
of us. Our village has been known to be a very private and wonderful corner of the world

974
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,360
and we would like to keep it that way. Thank you.

975
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:35,840
Thank you.

976
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:36,480
Thank you.

977
01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:40,760
Our next speaker is Marjorie Blunt.

978
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,680
I'm Marjorie Blunt in Concord Village in 2220 Sandstone Road.

979
01:18:57,860 --> 01:19:01,940
I have many thoughts on this, but this is just kind of a little personal thing that I've

980
01:19:01,940 --> 01:19:03,220
lived there over 40 years.

981
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,080
I love the peace, the quiet, the safety, the closeness and some support that all

982
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:10,140
of us have for each other.

983
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,240
I always felt very secure with you.

984
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:14,540
We have the lakes there.

985
01:19:14,540 --> 01:19:19,700
We have the park, but I have any grandchildren, great-grandchildren,

986
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:23,540
nieces and nephews, and I have felt that they could venture over there.

987
01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:27,260
They were safe in any area, watched over, you know, it's a quiet area, and it

988
01:19:27,260 --> 01:19:32,760
breaks my heart to think that we could lose any of this. I totally agree and

989
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:37,280
appreciate the concern that we have for senior housing. I know there's a need

990
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,940
for that, but I have my senior housing, and I would appreciate that you listen

991
01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:46,220
to everybody that is speaking tonight and their concerns, because I totally agree.

992
01:19:49,060 --> 01:19:55,180
I'd like you to respect our wishes for our senior housing that we have and try to make that work

993
01:19:55,180 --> 01:20:03,000
along with what NCR wants. But protect, you know, listen to our concerns, listen to the lake that

994
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:09,580
they want to put a walking path right next to the lake, which could be concerns for other

995
01:20:09,580 --> 01:20:14,800
people walking along there, you know, let's make it more trees and space, but

996
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:19,660
don't put our sidewalk right there for the safety of kids riding on bikes for

997
01:20:19,660 --> 01:20:25,260
numerous reasons in the park. And like they said, with the traffic, mind's

998
01:20:25,260 --> 01:20:28,900
minor and it sounds like it might be personal, but it's not. We already have

999
01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:33,380
our senior housings. I would appreciate your need for it and just the

1000
01:20:33,380 --> 01:20:35,560
please respect and listen to ours concerns,

1001
01:20:35,860 --> 01:20:36,780
or they go for.

1002
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,680
Thank you.

1003
01:20:42,140 --> 01:20:44,620
Next speaker, because I had a chance to try this,

1004
01:20:45,020 --> 01:20:46,820
is Ramiah Goyle.

1005
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:49,460
Maybe I said it right this time,

1006
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,000
and maybe I didn't.

1007
01:20:54,270 --> 01:20:57,830
Hi, my name is Ramiah, I live on 2230 Concord Village.

1008
01:20:58,710 --> 01:21:02,830
I'm the most, I guess the closest to the corporate

1009
01:21:02,830 --> 01:21:06,350
building that there can be, about 60 feet,

1010
01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:12,090
I think between my backyard or my kids play and where this potential path will be in 2022

1011
01:21:12,090 --> 01:21:18,010
I've been living there for 11 years now and the buildings have been not very occupied

1012
01:21:18,010 --> 01:21:24,430
So we were thrilled in 2022 when we did discuss like the multi-use the potential

1013
01:21:24,430 --> 01:21:27,150
Of what could be done with these buildings

1014
01:21:28,410 --> 01:21:31,530
We had mentioned several times that please be

1015
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:34,450
understanding of how delicate the

1016
01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:39,550
Eastmost part of the Westlake is because it's so close. It's so narrow. It's

1017
01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:44,950
actually had a lot of issues with the shallowness of it. The conduit between

1018
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:50,490
West and Eastlake has gotten clogged. So just please be sensitive to how close

1019
01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:55,610
you are in proximity to our homes and Arlington Boulevard, which is the

1020
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:59,010
commute every single day for people who live on the east side of Concord

1021
01:21:59,010 --> 01:22:05,770
village. We were excited and we felt we were being heard. I think we did not go to the correct

1022
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:13,450
meetings because we obviously weren't being heard. We had said two to three stories, please,

1023
01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:19,890
you know, the closest part of the lake. Now we are lectured that they are well within their

1024
01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:25,870
zoning rights and could actually exceed it and were threatened during these meetings that

1025
01:22:25,870 --> 01:22:30,190
we've had, public meetings, Benciar, that you could have a worse tenant that will build

1026
01:22:30,190 --> 01:22:32,490
even beyond the capacity of what we're building.

1027
01:22:33,050 --> 01:22:39,870
It was truly disappointing to find out that the multi-use zoning was far from Lane Avenue

1028
01:22:39,870 --> 01:22:46,450
and Bridge Park and the excitement that we had, but is now one tall five-story corporate

1029
01:22:46,450 --> 01:22:51,990
building in my backyard and apartment rentals in the wider part of the lake.

1030
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:58,790
and there is no amenities that we can enjoy as community members like coffee shops, retail,

1031
01:22:59,210 --> 01:23:03,910
things that were mentioned to us during the zoning meetings, none of which have come to fruition.

1032
01:23:04,450 --> 01:23:10,550
I think we'd find it tolerable if we felt like there was something other than just a massive

1033
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:16,050
corporate building and maximizing apartment rental space. That seems to be the only mission.

1034
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:22,030
the building itself and its daunting height also has balconies. They're

1035
01:23:22,030 --> 01:23:27,350
literally above three or four houses. They can see into our houses, they can see

1036
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:31,030
into our backyards. The need for balconies and a massive corporate

1037
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:35,550
structure that are roofed and intrusive, I'm not sure what that need

1038
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:39,650
would be. The bike path, it should definitely be

1039
01:23:39,650 --> 01:23:44,230
rerouted because I don't think anyone would prefer to be riding

1040
01:23:44,230 --> 01:23:50,610
their bike literally in the backyard, in the privacy of people's yards. And what would be

1041
01:23:50,610 --> 01:23:56,990
appreciated is maybe some trees and things that could protect privacy. My husband and I got a

1042
01:23:56,990 --> 01:24:02,930
quote, I think it's $11,000 to try to enhance the privacy of our backyard in preparation for

1043
01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:07,710
this 10-year process. I would think that national church residencies might do the same

1044
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:13,750
and try to look at that. I also just quickly want to mention that my mom and many other

1045
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:18,350
people have multi-generational communities like in Concord Village and my parents live

1046
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:19,130
on the Eastlake.

1047
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:20,570
I'm not unique in this.

1048
01:24:20,770 --> 01:24:26,090
We are very concerned about Arlington Center Boulevard and the traffic that many seniors

1049
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:31,370
will be encountering every time they go by the construction and we would appreciate it

1050
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:32,270
being rerouted.

1051
01:24:32,630 --> 01:24:33,050
Thank you.

1052
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:33,890
Thank you.

1053
01:24:35,490 --> 01:24:38,530
Next speaker is Lisa Marzell.

1054
01:24:45,690 --> 01:24:46,050
Hi there.

1055
01:24:46,450 --> 01:24:47,670
My name is Lisa Marzell.

1056
01:24:47,670 --> 01:24:55,730
I live not in Concord Village. I'm on at the end of Chevy Chase Avenue, 4856 Chevy Chase

1057
01:24:55,730 --> 01:25:01,630
Avenue. And so, you know, we've lived there for 22 years. We hope to stay there for a long time.

1058
01:25:01,870 --> 01:25:09,110
And so the quality of life in the neighborhood is really important to us. I don't have an

1059
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:18,230
objection to modernizing the office space and even expanding it to a degree, and I don't

1060
01:25:18,230 --> 01:25:23,530
have an objection to some senior housing, that seems to make sense, that's their business.

1061
01:25:24,450 --> 01:25:27,570
What worries me is the scale of the project.

1062
01:25:30,070 --> 01:25:33,910
The size of the buildings, particularly the

1063
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:40,470
heights of the buildings. The thing that worries me the most about that is how close they are to

1064
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:46,870
so many of the single family residences. Those that are across the lake from

1065
01:25:47,690 --> 01:25:55,030
in Concord Village across the lake and for what appears to be the third phase, that would be

1066
01:25:55,030 --> 01:26:00,390
the section that would affect those of us at the end of Chevy Chase Avenue. We are very close.

1067
01:26:00,390 --> 01:26:08,690
Our property is very close to North Bank Drive, and the third phase would be extremely close to our home.

1068
01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:13,330
And that's also one that seems to be planned for an even taller height.

1069
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:24,390
So I'm really worried about, you know, obviously the nature of the neighborhood changing significantly with the addition of all those tall buildings

1070
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:33,650
buildings, and so many additional residences, you know, potentially 200 if everything materializes

1071
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:35,790
the way that it's envisioned.

1072
01:26:37,450 --> 01:26:44,510
And just having such a large tall building so close to residences, I am also worried

1073
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:49,850
about property value decline quite honestly because home buyers don't like to buy a house

1074
01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:58,550
that's being towered over by a large building that's, you know, high density housing, office

1075
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:59,330
building, whatever.

1076
01:27:01,690 --> 01:27:04,330
Those properties, the National Church Residences

1077
01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:11,450
parcels are just so close to so many of the single family homes that I just feel that

1078
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:17,030
the scale of the buildings is really not appropriate with the proximity that they

1079
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:24,270
have to those homes. I feel like some adjustments, significant adjustments,

1080
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:27,830
should be made to the scale of the project and the heights of the buildings

1081
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:36,050
before this project proceeds. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Jill

1082
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:36,610
Sanbe.

1083
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:52,080
My name is Jill Sanbe and I live at 4877 Pleasant Valley Drive. I've been a

1084
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,060
resident of Concord Village for the past 40 years.

1085
01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:58,520
I thank you for all of us comment on the fact

1086
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:02,620
that we do not oppose what National Church Residence

1087
01:28:02,620 --> 01:28:04,340
is doing refurbishing the area.

1088
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,560
It is a tired and sleepy office park

1089
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,800
that quite frankly has been let to go into defined.

1090
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:13,460
So it is a need of refurbishment,

1091
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,100
but we're asking that it's done responsibly.

1092
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,100
We last left this topic in 2022

1093
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:24,360
and we urged the Board of Zoning to be mindful, ample space be given between

1094
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:29,840
buildings and the residences and a graduated approach lower to higher.

1095
01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:36,080
That's where we left it. As we all know the zoning went through, the zoning

1096
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:42,660
proposal went through, and now we were two months ago presented with the NCR

1097
01:28:42,660 --> 01:28:50,280
plan. You can imagine most of our shock to see a four-story building proposed

1098
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:57,040
within yards of residents' homes and that at the most narrow part of the lake

1099
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:03,900
and the most narrow part of Arlington Center Boulevard. You can imagine the

1100
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:08,940
shock to see a five-story building proposed right about it against Northwest

1101
01:29:08,940 --> 01:29:13,100
West Park, more specifically in close proximity to a baseball diamond.

1102
01:29:14,260 --> 01:29:22,440
And finally, a cement boardwalk proposed on the north side of the lake for general and

1103
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:29,380
public use, further diminishing the privacy of the residents who live along the lake when

1104
01:29:29,380 --> 01:29:32,980
all these years North Bank Drive has served the same purpose.

1105
01:29:32,980 --> 01:29:33,840
What

1106
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:44,860
we're asking is for national church residences to be responsible in accomplishing their mission and working with us.

1107
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:54,040
We ask that city council not vote for the proposed development until they hear all residents concerns and requests and thoroughly evaluate them.

1108
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:55,160
Thank you very much.

1109
01:29:55,820 --> 01:29:56,620
Thank you.

1110
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,700
Next speaker is Mallory.

1111
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,460
Oh, he does not have a last name on this. I hope I'm calling the right Mallory. Oh, oh, okay.

1112
01:30:07,480 --> 01:30:13,140
That makes sense to not have. All right. I would love to hear from you, Mallory.

1113
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:25,070
My name is Abby Davis. This is Mallory Proud. We live at 2,300 Confort Village Drive, so

1114
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:34,670
right on the lake. We moved in March of this year so my husband and I are three

1115
01:30:34,670 --> 01:30:44,290
kids. My husband is a 100% disabled veteran so in this property here we

1116
01:30:44,290 --> 01:30:51,250
found a lot of solace and peace being on the water so that's what attracted

1117
01:30:51,250 --> 01:30:57,930
us to this particular house in this neighborhood. It was tucked back in. It was very, you know,

1118
01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:05,670
very clean, very quiet. So we were a little surprised to find that this building project

1119
01:31:05,670 --> 01:31:21,230
was going to be happening here pretty soon. And I understand that, you know, National

1120
01:31:21,230 --> 01:31:24,850
serving the community by building senior housing.

1121
01:31:25,090 --> 01:31:25,790
I get that.

1122
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:28,710
I think what bothered me the most after going

1123
01:31:28,710 --> 01:31:35,130
to so many of these meetings is that I feel like we're just

1124
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:38,370
being, like, toyed with a little bit.

1125
01:31:38,570 --> 01:31:43,130
I think that we're voicing what we need,

1126
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:44,830
what we're wanting, hoping to see.

1127
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:49,730
And I haven't really seen any adjustments to their plans.

1128
01:31:49,730 --> 01:31:54,650
I just feel like they're wanting to be good nature's,

1129
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:57,410
but they're not being good nature's.

1130
01:31:57,530 --> 01:32:01,710
I just feel like they could be doing more, I think,

1131
01:32:02,290 --> 01:32:06,030
to just beyond going through the motions of having

1132
01:32:06,030 --> 01:32:12,710
these meetings, having us voice our opinions and ideas,

1133
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:15,930
and then being like, oh, yeah, we'll think about it,

1134
01:32:15,930 --> 01:32:19,750
and then not really seeing anything being altered

1135
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:20,770
in their plans.

1136
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:25,470
I definitely feel strongly about the height of the buildings.

1137
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:30,110
I think that just to scale, it just

1138
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:33,510
would look almost ridiculous to see

1139
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:36,870
these five-story buildings on this pond.

1140
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:41,630
I know people are calling it a lake, but it's a pond.

1141
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:45,390
And it just would look, I think,

1142
01:32:45,390 --> 01:32:50,530
Also, I have concerns about the parking garages being where they are, where they're placed.

1143
01:32:50,770 --> 01:32:58,790
I think that having cars in the winter time, it gets started at 5, 5.30, and headlights just

1144
01:32:58,790 --> 01:33:05,670
being shined to our homes and car alarms going off. I think just the noise level,

1145
01:33:05,690 --> 01:33:12,570
I think, would just be a lot for us, a lot to adjust to after years of construction.

1146
01:33:12,570 --> 01:33:20,230
So I just, and to like my other neighbors along that same street, just having the buildings

1147
01:33:20,230 --> 01:33:27,950
being so near to the lake and being so tall, I think it just, it's just a lot worth that

1148
01:33:27,950 --> 01:33:28,310
pond.

1149
01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:39,610
So I would love to see a pause in the project until we get more of our ideas in there

1150
01:33:40,670 --> 01:33:45,910
just so it just feels like it's something that we could,

1151
01:33:46,030 --> 01:33:48,690
a project that we could all be proud of.

1152
01:33:49,830 --> 01:33:50,850
And that's it.

1153
01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:52,650
Thank you.

1154
01:33:53,130 --> 01:33:53,390
Thanks.

1155
01:33:54,190 --> 01:33:56,010
Abby, I had you next.

1156
01:33:56,590 --> 01:33:59,530
So if so, both of you are done.

1157
01:34:00,330 --> 01:34:00,650
All right.

1158
01:34:00,810 --> 01:34:01,110
Thank you.

1159
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:05,860
All right.

1160
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:06,680
Moving on.

1161
01:34:07,340 --> 01:34:10,280
We're next because Richard Fischel.

1162
01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:17,490
Good evening.

1163
01:34:18,050 --> 01:34:19,450
My name is Richard Fischel.

1164
01:34:19,450 --> 01:34:27,530
I've been a resident at 2270 Concord Village Drive, which is directly across the lake from

1165
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,690
this proposed development.

1166
01:34:31,010 --> 01:34:35,270
I think there's a – I've been to several of these meetings.

1167
01:34:35,450 --> 01:34:40,650
I think the spirit of this rezoning project to the residents was just not really met

1168
01:34:41,220 --> 01:34:43,630
from day one some two years ago.

1169
01:34:44,810 --> 01:34:52,230
I think that the current building design of 50 to 60 feet will clearly impact property

1170
01:34:52,230 --> 01:34:55,330
values, views, and the general ambiance of the lake.

1171
01:34:56,070 --> 01:35:01,610
I'd also like to say that I've been to several of the NCR meetings and I felt like I really

1172
01:35:01,610 --> 01:35:06,290
do one of the residents suggested earlier, I felt rather threatened.

1173
01:35:06,590 --> 01:35:11,790
You would basically make some suggestions about design of the buildings and they'd

1174
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:13,930
say, well, it could be worse.

1175
01:35:14,670 --> 01:35:15,970
And I don't think that's the right way

1176
01:35:15,970 --> 01:35:18,150
to treat the residents of this nice, quiet neighborhood.

1177
01:35:19,570 --> 01:35:22,030
I think there's a couple of simple design solutions.

1178
01:35:22,270 --> 01:35:25,410
Some of them have already been said, like tiered or set back

1179
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:27,030
floors in the building.

1180
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:31,810
I think you could move the buildings back even further.

1181
01:35:32,210 --> 01:35:36,230
I don't think any of us are or I think most of us

1182
01:35:36,230 --> 01:35:40,450
are not against rebuilding this area because it really

1183
01:35:40,450 --> 01:35:45,250
is kind of an eyesore, but we'd just like to see it done responsibly.

1184
01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:59,370
Ultimately I'd like to see NCR meet with the residents, take their concerns to heart, and

1185
01:35:59,370 --> 01:36:03,770
then ultimately that will provide some goodwill for the residents in NCR.

1186
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:18,350
Ultimately, I would respectfully request that the U.A. City Council not enter into a development agreement with the National Church Residences until the designs and concerns of the residents around the lake are met.

1187
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:19,270
Thank you.

1188
01:36:19,810 --> 01:36:20,570
Thank you.

1189
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:23,220
Next.

1190
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,280
I have Diane Quattron.

1191
01:36:27,500 --> 01:36:29,440
I can't – sorry, I can't make out what this is.

1192
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:30,340
I think it's Quattron.

1193
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:38,700
Hello.

1194
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:39,240
Hi.

1195
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:40,280
My name is Diane Quattron.

1196
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,980
I reside at 2240 Concord Village Drive.

1197
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,020
I have a little speech prepared, so I'm within my three minutes.

1198
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:56,660
But I just want to say that we have very detailed and specific feedback with actual solutions that could potentially be considered to resolve a majority of these issues.

1199
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,280
We've organized as a community.

1200
01:36:58,860 --> 01:37:01,480
We are very understanding of your time.

1201
01:37:01,740 --> 01:37:04,620
We're going to be here for a while, so we want to be mindful of that.

1202
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,120
We're willing to email that to City Council for review.

1203
01:37:07,740 --> 01:37:11,220
My husband and I moved to Upper Arlington earlier this year.

1204
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:16,300
We are not from this region or even from Ohio, but we have a close connection to this area

1205
01:37:16,300 --> 01:37:20,240
and quickly came to realize that this would be a wonderful place to raise our two small

1206
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:20,660
children.

1207
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:25,480
We found our home and we were warmly received by our neighbors.

1208
01:37:26,140 --> 01:37:30,280
What's transpired in the last couple of months has soured our excitement and replaced

1209
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:35,060
it with dread about this project and what it's going to do to our lives and the

1210
01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:40,080
property value of this home that we just bought during what is known as a very difficult

1211
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,320
time of home ownership in this country.

1212
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:48,700
During the 2022 rezoning initiated by the city, our community was very clear about the

1213
01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:53,700
value of the lake and the importance of maintaining low-profile height, low-profile

1214
01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:55,040
buildings along its perimeter.

1215
01:37:56,260 --> 01:38:00,320
Unfortunately our community's wishes for reasonable height limits were not reflected

1216
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:01,220
in the final ordinance.

1217
01:38:01,220 --> 01:38:05,620
all this community had left coming out of the process with city staff's repeated

1218
01:38:05,620 --> 01:38:09,060
assurances that there would be opportunities to ensure reasonability

1219
01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:13,040
once actual building plans were presented. We are here today to ask

1220
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:17,580
City Council to uphold those commitments. Our community's fears about this

1221
01:38:17,580 --> 01:38:21,920
rezoning have come true. I think you've heard a lot from us about how

1222
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,820
we feel, how we've been treated, how we haven't been heard. We want the

1223
01:38:25,820 --> 01:38:30,940
hand padding to stop and we want direct and meaningful responses to our

1224
01:38:30,940 --> 01:38:34,980
concerns and ideas. We believe the current design has little regard for our

1225
01:38:34,980 --> 01:38:39,120
community and a more balanced approach as possible, one that reduces harm to us

1226
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:44,140
while preserving the overall vision of the project. So along with my I agree with

1227
01:38:44,140 --> 01:38:48,520
all of my fellow residents feedback and asking City Council to please not vote

1228
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:52,580
on this proposed development agreement until all of these issues are heard

1229
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:57,500
and are fully evaluated. I'm here to specifically discuss the position of

1230
01:38:57,500 --> 01:39:02,320
the building. I live next to the boil, so I am directly impacted by that office building.

1231
01:39:04,170 --> 01:39:10,020
We have very minimal options for privacy. Our rating prevents a privacy fence from

1232
01:39:10,020 --> 01:39:15,940
doing anything to shield our backyards and just the overall proximity of the building.

1233
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:22,940
There is a utility line that NCR has cited as being an issue to moving their building.

1234
01:39:22,940 --> 01:39:28,300
We are asking the city to engage with their engineering division to value what it would

1235
01:39:28,300 --> 01:39:34,680
cost to move that sewer line and then to engage with NCR to see if they could move their building

1236
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,980
which would greatly help us in terms of the impact of that building.

1237
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:40,300
Thank you so much.

1238
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:41,640
Thank you.

1239
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:47,560
You did mention that you had a list if you could email that to council.

1240
01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:48,440
That would be great.

1241
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:48,880
Absolutely.

1242
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:49,600
May I ask one more thing?

1243
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,860
may I submit a cry for my husband who is going to be here very soon or is it too

1244
01:39:53,860 --> 01:40:01,120
late? I have one more slip and if he's not here by the end of that is that your

1245
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:05,700
husband that just walked in? I will well look at that perfect timing I will take

1246
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:06,260
that slip.

1247
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:19,680
We'll let you take a beat and then you'll be up.

1248
01:40:20,340 --> 01:40:22,800
Alright, Jenny Wang, you are next.

1249
01:40:26,620 --> 01:40:30,080
Good evening. I'm Jenny Wang. My house is

1250
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:37,240
right across the business building and the Z-shaped senior house

1251
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:43,860
building, that the south end of the Z-shaped building is just right in front of my backyard.

1252
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:51,920
So right now, actually, the office building across the lake is like two-story. So now they're going

1253
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:57,480
to go to four to five stories. So it's like more than double the height. So that's going to

1254
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:03,920
basically, I mean, reduced open view of the house and I mean, my house and other houses

1255
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:05,100
is along the lake.

1256
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:08,540
So that's definitely not only just that

1257
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:10,360
and also compromise the privacy

1258
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,500
because they're just so close to our backyard

1259
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,580
and so close to our houses.

1260
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:21,740
So, I mean, they should either push further, push back,

1261
01:41:22,260 --> 01:41:25,040
make sure the building is further away from the houses

1262
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,520
and also reduce the height of the buildings

1263
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,780
and somehow to preserve the open view of the houses

1264
01:41:31,780 --> 01:41:42,580
policies and also protect our privacy. I remember at the 2022 rezoning meeting, I attend a few

1265
01:41:42,580 --> 01:41:51,040
meetings and I think the City Council reassured us saying that the approval of the rezoning

1266
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:55,880
doesn't mean it's going to approve any of the development plan. So this is the time.

1267
01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:00,980
So now there's a valid plan that request.

1268
01:42:01,820 --> 01:42:08,420
So I really hope that the City Council will keep the promise and listen to our concerns

1269
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:16,420
and then make sure our concerns are addressed before approving this building plan.

1270
01:42:17,940 --> 01:42:24,460
And lastly, I just want to, I know it's difficult to have that feeling when you're not

1271
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:32,400
living in those houses. So I really hope the council members just think you're in our shoes.

1272
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:40,200
How are you going to feel when you suddenly face like more than double the height of the building

1273
01:42:41,100 --> 01:42:47,260
across the backyard. I mean, it's staring into your backyard. So I just hope that you

1274
01:42:47,260 --> 01:42:54,500
will take our concerns in consideration and don't approve this plan until it

1275
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:58,080
address all our concerns. Thank you. Thank you.

1276
01:43:00,340 --> 01:43:02,700
Our next speaker is Andrews Amayola.

1277
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:08,260
Hopefully you've taken a breath. You have three minutes because you weren't here

1278
01:43:08,260 --> 01:43:10,540
when I gave the instructions. You have three minutes. There's a traffic light

1279
01:43:10,540 --> 01:43:16,960
system up there. Green keeps speaking, yellow start wrapping up, red please wrap up. We could reset

1280
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,920
that form to start. Thank you so much.

1281
01:43:21,060 --> 01:43:25,320
My name is Andres Almeida and I reside at 2240 Concord Village

1282
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:30,040
Drive. I'm here to speak about the proposed development agreement with national church

1283
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:37,440
residences. In 2022, the city initiated the rezoning of this area despite this community's

1284
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:41,860
persistent input that the building heights not to exceed two to three stories along the

1285
01:43:41,860 --> 01:43:47,980
Sher Lake, the final ordinance allowed much greater heights, maximum of five to six stories,

1286
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:55,660
and much of this to the community's greatest advantage. We believe the rezoning very seriously

1287
01:43:55,660 --> 01:44:01,940
underestimated the risk for our community and the entire effort unilaterally benefited the

1288
01:44:01,940 --> 01:44:04,580
one entity and that's national church residences.

1289
01:44:07,020 --> 01:44:09,380
All this community had left for peace of mind was

1290
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:14,440
city staffs repeated assurances that there would be opportunities to ensure

1291
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:21,360
reasonability once actual plans were presented. We were here today to ask city council

1292
01:44:22,300 --> 01:44:26,380
to uphold that commitment and not vote on the proposed development agreement

1293
01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:30,220
until our concerns and requests are fully evaluated.

1294
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:37,680
To national church residents' credit, they did sit down for a meeting with a few of us on the narrow lake,

1295
01:44:38,180 --> 01:44:40,880
but no material commitments came out of that meeting,

1296
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:46,980
aside from them considering to redesign of the prominent balcony features on the third and fourth stories

1297
01:44:46,980 --> 01:44:50,220
to restore the minimal functionality of the setbacks.

1298
01:44:51,460 --> 01:44:56,020
They said the city would need to address our largest concerns around building location removal

1299
01:44:56,020 --> 01:44:58,480
of the shared path and narrow section of the lake.

1300
01:44:59,280 --> 01:44:59,980
Lake Main.

1301
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,640
And preservation of Arlington Center Boulevard, which is the only access to the eastern portion

1302
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,900
of the Concord Village community.

1303
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:16,920
I request that the city council consider instructing

1304
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:24,360
city staff to engage with the UA's engineering division to fully vet the relocation of a sanitary

1305
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,740
sewer line to make the relocation possible.

1306
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:34,120
This area will be exposed already due to planned major excavation, and there's a good chance

1307
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:39,060
this utility line may be impacted by construction anyways, they're going so close to it.

1308
01:45:40,620 --> 01:45:45,500
Either way, additional cost or delay, if any, should be minimal relative to the scope

1309
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:46,200
of the project.

1310
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:51,680
If the city is already making sizable investment into this project for infrastructure, this

1311
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:56,520
is an opportunity to balance the scales and do something that would help mitigate the harm

1312
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:02,380
to us. The impact of this request would be extremely meaningful to improve the setback

1313
01:46:02,900 --> 01:46:05,180
and reduce the encumbrance to our homes.

1314
01:46:08,630 --> 01:46:10,490
My other concerns are relative to the share

1315
01:46:10,490 --> 01:46:17,370
path and notes located at the narrow section of the lake. These features invite a lot

1316
01:46:17,370 --> 01:46:22,470
traffic and nuisance to our homes at the narrow side.

1317
01:46:24,910 --> 01:46:28,090
The noise also from people

1318
01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:33,450
it will reverberate on the on the lake. I would like there to consider

1319
01:46:33,450 --> 01:46:42,170
additional landscaping and layers to minimize that that incumbent and remove

1320
01:46:42,170 --> 01:46:51,850
the path all together. There's another, there's a there's a path along the North Bank side of the

1321
01:46:51,850 --> 01:46:59,530
street so access to the park is already there. I feel like it should be removed and that would

1322
01:46:59,530 --> 01:47:07,170
actually help us improve that the nuisance. In closing I want to know that this project

1323
01:47:07,170 --> 01:47:13,530
It cannot be compared to other UAE projects such as the lane, which is often loaded as

1324
01:47:14,140 --> 01:47:15,550
major success for UAE.

1325
01:47:15,810 --> 01:47:20,610
Our neighborhood is character is unique with the lake and its amenity is being directly

1326
01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:20,950
diminished.

1327
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:26,790
There are no exciting walkable amenities being created by this project to offset the less

1328
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:29,970
desirable impact of the rezoning in 2022.

1329
01:47:31,170 --> 01:47:35,630
The PMO of the area is otherwise fully developed and continuously occupied, leaving

1330
01:47:35,630 --> 01:47:40,610
us with little hope that any amenities will emerge in the near term.

1331
01:47:41,290 --> 01:47:41,630
Thank you.

1332
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:42,690
Thank you.

1333
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:46,600
All right.

1334
01:47:46,700 --> 01:47:49,300
That wraps up public comments.

1335
01:47:49,500 --> 01:47:52,080
I do want to thank every single one of you.

1336
01:47:52,220 --> 01:47:59,820
I know sometimes it can be intimidating to stand up there, so I always commend public engagement

1337
01:47:59,820 --> 01:48:03,940
and you all coming out to share your concerns with us.

1338
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:04,400
Thank you.

1339
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:09,600
Before we get into questions, City Manager Choney, if you – I thought it would be helpful

1340
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:14,820
to level set – again, go back to what is before council tonight.

1341
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:23,660
I heard a lot of actual concerns in terms of design development, those kind of things

1342
01:48:23,660 --> 01:48:25,740
that are before BZAP right now.

1343
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:34,080
Can we – can you help beyond breaking down what's on that, like from a very practical

1344
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:40,440
level. What is before the ordinance before council tonight? And then I'll

1345
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:44,340
throw in on top of that Steve the kind of the ordering because it's been a

1346
01:48:44,340 --> 01:48:47,480
while since I think we've done a development in front of council where

1347
01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:52,600
it's you know there's a development plan there's a development agreement and

1348
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:56,160
kind of the ordering what goes first what goes second because I've know we we've

1349
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:59,980
run into this issue in the past but we haven't had a development in front of

1350
01:48:59,980 --> 01:49:03,640
us in some time that required both of these and so I know the ordering is

1351
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:08,740
important obviously for the residents so if you could explain that as well. So in

1352
01:49:08,740 --> 01:49:23,430
terms of what is in front of you tonight it is essentially the exchange

1353
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:31,530
of commitments right the the commitments by National Church for all these

1354
01:49:31,530 --> 01:49:36,350
things and the incentives that the city is offering in exchange for that.

1355
01:49:36,630 --> 01:49:42,110
That is the document that you are being asked to approve that you are considering tonight.

1356
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:49,190
If I could rephrase what's before us tonight is the agreement on what monies the incentives

1357
01:49:49,190 --> 01:49:55,390
that would come from national church residents and what we are, what UA city money-wise

1358
01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:56,610
is also getting to the deal.

1359
01:49:56,650 --> 01:49:57,910
That's what's before us tonight.

1360
01:49:59,210 --> 01:50:03,630
Would you like me to have Chad explain the BZAP piece of that?

1361
01:50:04,130 --> 01:50:13,090
Correct, because the BZAP piece has to do directly with look, feel, development, setbacks, all of that.

1362
01:50:13,370 --> 01:50:14,570
Could you talk to that piece?

1363
01:50:15,310 --> 01:50:18,170
Thank you, President Joachim Jeter. You're absolutely correct.

1364
01:50:18,370 --> 01:50:21,690
There is a major site plan that's currently pending for BZAP.

1365
01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:27,910
Second, work session on September 3rd, formal meeting on September 17th, where you get into

1366
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:34,390
all those specific development issues, setbacks, lot coverage, building height, building materials,

1367
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:40,210
lighting, landscaping, traffic, all of those things are handled specifically by the Board

1368
01:50:40,210 --> 01:50:40,810
of Zoning and Planning.

1369
01:50:44,770 --> 01:50:45,450
Thank you.

1370
01:50:46,190 --> 01:50:47,150
So can I jump in?

1371
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:47,430
Yeah, go ahead.

1372
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:53,350
Can you just explain them, Chad, Steve, just kind of the interaction of the two and

1373
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:54,290
the timing of the two?

1374
01:50:54,290 --> 01:51:00,130
I mean, as a development plan, we heard a lot tonight that there were meetings and there

1375
01:51:00,130 --> 01:51:01,770
were comments and they were received.

1376
01:51:02,110 --> 01:51:07,370
But obviously, it seems that there hasn't been a BZAP meeting to show maybe any kind

1377
01:51:07,370 --> 01:51:08,610
of redesign to the plan.

1378
01:51:08,810 --> 01:51:12,910
So can you explain just timing-wise the interaction between this development agreement

1379
01:51:12,910 --> 01:51:18,810
timing, because we have readings for this, it looks like we vote on the 25th potentially,

1380
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:20,750
and then obviously with the site plan.

1381
01:51:20,750 --> 01:51:23,750
And then I'll follow up with the question after that, go ahead.

1382
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:30,690
So I guess I'll start with a comment that the development agreement is separate from the zoning process.

1383
01:51:31,330 --> 01:51:31,510
Yep.

1384
01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:34,470
And that involves specifically city council.

1385
01:51:35,150 --> 01:51:42,570
And so what you're going to have at this app is not going to have any discussion on financing or development agreements.

1386
01:51:42,910 --> 01:51:46,810
It's going to be specific to the zoning, the plan mixed office zoning that's in place.

1387
01:51:46,810 --> 01:51:50,690
Does the proposal meet that zoning or does it not?

1388
01:51:51,730 --> 01:51:55,090
And so we have a couple meetings coming up.

1389
01:51:55,250 --> 01:52:00,250
One is the work session on the third where the board will review

1390
01:52:00,250 --> 01:52:05,050
the technical review committee meeting letter that was issued several weeks ago,

1391
01:52:05,150 --> 01:52:09,010
which outlines all of the issues that staff collectively pulled together.

1392
01:52:10,030 --> 01:52:15,250
National Church will also have the opportunity to address any public comments

1393
01:52:15,250 --> 01:52:20,090
that have been brought forth and for their outreach meetings as well as this meeting.

1394
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:25,990
So that gives us several weeks from tonight to talk with National Church and see if any

1395
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:28,850
of these issues can be addressed and incorporated into the plan.

1396
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:32,230
Okay, that's great.

1397
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:40,050
And so can you also talk in terms of, actually I think virtually all the public comments

1398
01:52:40,050 --> 01:52:44,370
that we heard tonight are these app work session type comments.

1399
01:52:44,370 --> 01:52:51,910
And so does this public have an opportunity beyond what was here tonight at BZAP?

1400
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:56,730
And does that come back to us here at Council when we're talking about actual site plan?

1401
01:52:57,570 --> 01:53:02,350
So unless there's an appeal, City Council will not see the major site plan application.

1402
01:53:03,110 --> 01:53:08,490
This is strictly reviewed and disposed one way or the other by the Board of Zoning

1403
01:53:08,490 --> 01:53:10,890
and Planning short of an appeal.

1404
01:53:10,890 --> 01:53:15,750
So that's where you have all those issues that I listed before, fully vetted in detail.

1405
01:53:16,270 --> 01:53:22,170
Staff has already been actively collecting comments from the neighbors to incorporate into the board's packet

1406
01:53:22,170 --> 01:53:31,510
so that they can review all of those issues and do whatever they can to collaborate and work with National Church on potential adjustments.

1407
01:53:32,890 --> 01:53:33,650
Thank you.

1408
01:53:34,970 --> 01:53:37,950
That's a good point that City Attorney Shulman just brought up.

1409
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:43,890
So there is a Platt amendment that accompanies this and that is generally locked configuration

1410
01:53:43,890 --> 01:53:44,670
and easements.

1411
01:53:44,670 --> 01:53:48,750
It has to deal with easement and language on the on the plot for this office park.

1412
01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:51,990
That specific piece will come to City Council.

1413
01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:54,270
Can I ask a follow-up?

1414
01:53:55,430 --> 01:54:00,150
So just for clarity, does that mean that what's before us is just the agreement portion

1415
01:54:00,150 --> 01:54:00,570
of it?

1416
01:54:01,070 --> 01:54:05,970
But Council really has no mechanism to intervene with the design portion of it.

1417
01:54:06,430 --> 01:54:07,050
That's correct.

1418
01:54:07,050 --> 01:54:08,290
unless there was an appeal.

1419
01:54:10,130 --> 01:54:15,650
Just to add on to what Director Gibson said, when we revised our BZAP appeal procedures,

1420
01:54:16,030 --> 01:54:17,330
most of the things go to court.

1421
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:20,810
Correct me if I'm wrong, Director Gibson, but this was one that would go to council.

1422
01:54:21,610 --> 01:54:24,670
So if someone appeals a timely and they meet the criteria, you would then get it.

1423
01:54:24,730 --> 01:54:25,910
So I don't want to say you'll never get it.

1424
01:54:26,450 --> 01:54:28,210
It doesn't go to court right away, the other ones.

1425
01:54:29,770 --> 01:54:30,650
Thank you for clarifying.

1426
01:54:30,650 --> 01:54:30,890
right.

1427
01:54:34,230 --> 01:54:38,350
City Manager, do you have like a there's a lot of discussion I know it's

1428
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:41,870
not germane to our talk but just as we level set over all development that

1429
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:47,410
shared use asks do you have a visual for us visual learners where you can get a

1430
01:54:47,410 --> 01:54:49,330
better idea what the site plan is

1431
01:54:51,570 --> 01:54:57,110
yeah let's come back sorry it's way at the

1432
01:54:57,110 --> 01:55:10,210
Yeah, here we go. You can see kind of what the vision is here. It is the brownish stripe that runs along the lake.

1433
01:55:11,970 --> 01:55:21,630
So that it is envisioned to be shared use path width. We have not done a lot of detailed design on it.

1434
01:55:21,630 --> 01:55:33,010
And the agreement has National Church turning over that property to us in a condition where

1435
01:55:33,010 --> 01:55:39,730
that portion of property has been graded to accommodate a shared use path.

1436
01:55:40,650 --> 01:55:46,570
One of the things that as we go, we will go through our normal parks design process.

1437
01:55:46,570 --> 01:55:53,730
If this all goes forward and we end up taking control of the parcel that will be created

1438
01:55:53,730 --> 01:55:59,030
to accommodate the lake and the property to accommodate the path, if we do end up going

1439
01:55:59,030 --> 01:56:06,050
forward with that, we will go through our normal parks development process to understand

1440
01:56:06,050 --> 01:56:07,330
what that looks like.

1441
01:56:07,330 --> 01:56:15,710
I think, you know, honestly, one of the things that by this being a phased project and us

1442
01:56:16,750 --> 01:56:22,190
really not wanting control of that property until the bulk of the construction is done is it will

1443
01:56:22,190 --> 01:56:29,470
give us the opportunity to see how it feels with actual buildings there rather than just

1444
01:56:29,470 --> 01:56:34,990
looking at a picture, which I think when you deal with the development that's more unknown

1445
01:56:34,990 --> 01:56:42,450
like this than maybe other situations we're gonna take that time so you know

1446
01:56:42,450 --> 01:56:51,890
is that last leg that runs in front of the office building an absolute must no I

1447
01:56:51,890 --> 01:56:57,710
think it's one of those things where we want to see how the buildings feel and

1448
01:56:57,710 --> 01:57:01,110
how the entire development feels once it's built before we really fully

1449
01:57:01,110 --> 01:57:09,850
design that path. And frankly, that will all go with the plan for landscaping.

1450
01:57:10,450 --> 01:57:18,310
One of the things that we didn't know just for reference, the darker trees on the picture that

1451
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:24,410
you see in front of you along the lake are existing trees that will be maintained.

1452
01:57:31,090 --> 01:57:31,090
The

1453
01:57:31,670 --> 01:57:41,730
So it does give you a sense of the tree cover that the landscape buffering that already exists

1454
01:57:41,730 --> 01:57:43,070
and then can be added to.

1455
01:57:43,850 --> 01:57:44,570
Thank you.

1456
01:57:44,910 --> 01:57:46,710
And there were a couple of comments.

1457
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:48,130
I know these weren't your comments.

1458
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:53,390
So about a service road or do you have any idea where that is on this?

1459
01:57:55,670 --> 01:57:56,630
I don't.

1460
01:57:56,870 --> 01:58:00,050
Those who are the first that tonight was the first time I'd heard those comments.

1461
01:58:00,050 --> 01:58:06,610
Since my assumption is if you were to pull up a map Stonehaven runs on the other side

1462
01:58:06,610 --> 01:58:12,490
of northwest Kiwanis Park, I think the gentleman was essentially proposing to run the temporary

1463
01:58:12,490 --> 01:58:24,990
road across the park from Stonehaven, which is to the west of here, in order to reduce

1464
01:58:24,990 --> 01:58:34,070
traffic on North Bank and on Arlington Center. Got it. And last question from a

1465
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:37,830
sequencing, can you remind me you said office building goes first? Office building?

1466
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:45,540
Which senior housing? The one in the middle. Okay. I wanted Jason to do it. Thank you.

1467
01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:52,360
City Attorney Shulman. Thank you Council President. I just wanted to get a lot of

1468
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:55,600
questions about process and procedure. I just want to kind of throw

1469
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,380
something out, because we don't do a lot of development things here.

1470
01:58:59,220 --> 01:59:03,540
As Director Gibson mentioned, there's only, I believe, one variance being requested for

1471
01:59:03,540 --> 01:59:04,100
this property.

1472
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:10,320
When someone's building within what the code allows, you really won't have a lot of levers

1473
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:13,040
when that BZEP appeal comes here to change that.

1474
01:59:13,320 --> 01:59:16,760
When they come with a lot of variances, that's when you can sort of require things.

1475
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:20,720
So the reason I want to flag that for you is I would hate to have you pass this

1476
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:24,080
with the expectation that, oh, we'll just clean it up when that zoning appeal

1477
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:24,380
comes.

1478
01:59:24,380 --> 01:59:30,300
You should probably get your concerns addressed before you pass the economic development package because that's your best chance.

1479
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:30,840
Yeah.

1480
01:59:32,660 --> 01:59:36,760
City Manager Shoney, I want to put a final point on the timeline.

1481
01:59:37,060 --> 01:59:40,360
I kind of want to understand the order of things.

1482
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:47,220
As we have them ordered right now, is there a significance in why it's ordered that way, set another way?

1483
01:59:47,220 --> 01:59:55,980
I guess to be more blunt or more clear, could the BZP portion happen before the development

1484
01:59:55,980 --> 01:59:56,940
agreement portion?

1485
01:59:57,860 --> 01:59:59,320
There is nothing.

1486
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,560
From a technical perspective that says it has to be done in this order. This is just an ordering

1487
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:18,120
to want to keep things moving in parallel as close as we could have it running.

1488
02:00:20,120 --> 02:00:27,640
One thing that I did want to say in Darren's last set of comments for some, I'm not sure

1489
02:00:27,640 --> 02:00:29,820
or how exactly it turned my head back to it.

1490
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:31,700
But the other thing we will do,

1491
02:00:32,820 --> 02:00:35,120
one of, I think one of the two of you asked about

1492
02:00:37,140 --> 02:00:39,860
BZAP and the comments made tonight,

1493
02:00:40,300 --> 02:00:41,560
basically getting to BZAP,

1494
02:00:41,660 --> 02:00:45,500
we will make sure to share the recording of tonight's

1495
02:00:46,500 --> 02:00:47,920
presentations and public comment

1496
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:51,380
with the members of BZAP so that, Chad,

1497
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:55,420
so that they have this going into their meeting

1498
02:00:55,420 --> 02:00:57,500
and so that they're aware of the comments coming up.

1499
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:05,140
Okay, thank you.

1500
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:06,400
Any other?

1501
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:08,260
One more question.

1502
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,380
It sounds like the community has had four opportunities

1503
02:01:12,380 --> 02:01:16,720
to talk to NCR and voice their concerns.

1504
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:18,360
I'm wondering about the process,

1505
02:01:18,540 --> 02:01:20,340
and you said maybe somebody from NCR is here.

1506
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:24,260
The process of listening to that and integrating that,

1507
02:01:24,580 --> 02:01:25,900
is it just too soon?

1508
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,160
Does that happen when they get closer to BZAP?

1509
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,160
I'm just interested in that portion of the process.

1510
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:33,500
Yeah, I'll ask Matt to come up.

1511
02:01:33,740 --> 02:01:37,060
I think one of the challenges in development projects

1512
02:01:37,060 --> 02:01:45,420
is there's always a tension between when

1513
02:01:47,310 --> 02:01:49,670
do you bring a project forward?

1514
02:01:49,850 --> 02:01:54,290
How much work do you do before you bring a project forward?

1515
02:01:55,810 --> 02:02:01,030
And how much room do you leave yourself on a project?

1516
02:02:01,030 --> 02:02:08,760
And, you know, if you compare this

1517
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:20,210
site plan to the potentials that were shown in the zoning

1518
02:02:20,210 --> 02:02:31,720
hearings in 2022, if National Church had walked in with what we showed as the potential build

1519
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:40,220
out of this zoning hearings as their first proposal and then had gone to this after the

1520
02:02:40,220 --> 02:02:42,720
feedback, it would have felt different.

1521
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:49,640
So I think that's just being perfectly honest.

1522
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:54,760
I think that's some of the frustration that folks are feeling.

1523
02:02:57,220 --> 02:03:04,200
that said, you know, it's, there are concern, look, I live in an area, I live between Lane

1524
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:11,180
Avenue and the high school. I don't know when construction started in that neighborhood. It

1525
02:03:11,180 --> 02:03:12,960
feels like it's been going on for,

1526
02:03:15,020 --> 02:03:17,960
you know, well, I know when it stopped, it stopped two

1527
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:22,920
years ago, but it felt like the 15 years before that, it was all construction. I get it.

1528
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:29,140
Understand that living through this kind of stuff. It's hard and living through the plans on this is difficult

1529
02:03:29,140 --> 02:03:33,560
I think you know getting to where

1530
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:38,560
You know, you you have the opportunity to really understand

1531
02:03:41,220 --> 02:03:45,720
How far I think I want to be fair to National Church and then

1532
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,600
They have before

1533
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:50,940
They came out with their first plan

1534
02:03:50,940 --> 02:04:04,920
You know, there's a lot more that there's a lot of thought that they put in this to try and move things back as far as they can. So anyway, Matt, I don't know if you want to come up and address some things.

1535
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:08,210
Thank you.

1536
02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:17,400
Council members, I have to answer questions. Maybe I'll start with your question, which

1537
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:23,160
is I believe if I could restate it was, you know, how have we taken feedback into consideration

1538
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:26,860
as we've worked through this plan? And I think, you know, Steve just alluded to it.

1539
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:35,060
When we listened in on the process and we're in attendance in the process in 2022 and heard

1540
02:04:35,060 --> 02:04:40,980
the community's feedback about the rezoning, you know, we heard very clearly the need for

1541
02:04:40,980 --> 02:04:49,140
green space, the needs for setbacks from the pond, the desire to be really sensitive, aesthetically,

1542
02:04:49,220 --> 02:04:50,520
and the design of the building.

1543
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:55,280
And you know, Steve alluded to this, you know, we thought being a good neighbor would

1544
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:59,480
not be to come out with something as a negotiating point, a place of beginning,

1545
02:04:59,480 --> 02:05:01,160
and then backpedal from it.

1546
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,500
What we wanted to do and worked really intently with MA

1547
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:07,300
and other consultants to do is write out of the gate,

1548
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:11,140
try to be respectful of the community's desire for setbacks.

1549
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:13,520
That was first and foremost for us,

1550
02:05:13,580 --> 02:05:15,700
was really how do we create green space

1551
02:05:15,700 --> 02:05:19,260
between the pond and between what we really believe

1552
02:05:19,260 --> 02:05:21,500
is a mission we're called to do, which is senior living.

1553
02:05:22,340 --> 02:05:24,040
So we pulled those buildings back,

1554
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:26,600
really effectively flipping reverse engineering

1555
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,600
the current existing design conditions,

1556
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:33,040
which has the buildings pushed up on the central portion

1557
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,960
and on the western portion pushed up against the lake,

1558
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:37,720
we tried to reverse that.

1559
02:05:38,100 --> 02:05:40,100
And that entailed pulling the buildings back

1560
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:43,340
onto North Bank Drive and adding about two and a half acres

1561
02:05:43,340 --> 02:05:46,060
of green space as a buffer between us

1562
02:05:46,060 --> 02:05:48,040
and Concord Village and the pond.

1563
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,700
That was an intense effort, a challenging effort,

1564
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:53,920
one that is actually quite costly.

1565
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:55,260
The podium parking there,

1566
02:05:55,740 --> 02:05:57,520
well, it's a fantastic amenity,

1567
02:05:57,520 --> 02:06:03,740
certainly for seniors as they age in place and navigate inclement weather. That's a challenging

1568
02:06:03,740 --> 02:06:10,440
and costly infrastructure improvement. We felt that was really respectful of our future residents

1569
02:06:10,440 --> 02:06:14,720
and also of the community. So podium parking it, adding the two and a half acres of green space,

1570
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:18,620
those were first and foremost in our design considerations.

1571
02:06:19,720 --> 02:06:23,480
You know, as you've heard today and is certainly a valid concern, one of the biggest

1572
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:28,980
challenges of this site is the narrow portion of the lake on the eastern side

1573
02:06:28,980 --> 02:06:35,460
and that just happens to be also where North Bank Drive narrows between the lake.

1574
02:06:36,020 --> 02:06:39,520
So some of the challenges of we wanted to put the building there we felt like

1575
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:43,920
that's what this site plan called for I was in consulting you know with many

1576
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:47,700
design professionals and city officials you know why do we want the

1577
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:51,220
office building there it's to limit the through traffic back to the park

1578
02:06:51,220 --> 02:06:59,340
It's also because the existing condition right now an Arlington Center Boulevard has multiple other corporate buildings layered onto that

1579
02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:04,960
So it felt aesthetically. That's where it wanted to lay. It's created challenges and you for the community

1580
02:07:06,220 --> 02:07:08,400
Comment on those challenges here tonight

1581
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:11,720
One of the ways we've attempted to mitigate the first challenge

1582
02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:15,220
Which is the height of the building is to have a setback

1583
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:22,260
We pulled the building back an additional 12 feet from where it stands today as Steve noted the existing landscape

1584
02:07:22,260 --> 02:07:25,440
We've retained what you see up here on the site plan

1585
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:29,640
And then as we go up after those first two floors of podium parking

1586
02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:33,620
We pulled back the actual office suite even further

1587
02:07:33,620 --> 02:07:39,680
So the building the third and fourth floor the building are actually 60 feet back from the edge of the pond

1588
02:07:40,300 --> 02:07:45,140
That's about double where the edge of the building sits today, which is about 30 feet back

1589
02:07:45,220 --> 02:07:46,420
from the edge of the pond.

1590
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:49,000
So you heard of the concept of laddering.

1591
02:07:49,120 --> 02:07:51,140
We tried to incorporate that in the office building.

1592
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:52,820
It's not a perfect solution.

1593
02:07:53,380 --> 02:07:57,660
You've also heard residents rightly so call out the challenges

1594
02:07:57,660 --> 02:08:01,620
that the easement along North Bank Drive creates.

1595
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,080
There's utility easement just south of North Bank Drive.

1596
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:06,540
It really inhibits our ability

1597
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:09,280
to pull that building all the way into North Bank Drive.

1598
02:08:09,900 --> 02:08:11,720
What you see in front of you is

1599
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:14,000
we are pulling the building up

1600
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:20,480
as close as we can get to the existing easement for utilities without relocating that utility infrastructure.

1601
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:28,460
Thanks. Any follow-up questions? Council Member Muntz?

1602
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:34,100
Any other questions for Mr. Wohl? Wohl, he's up there from National Church.

1603
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:36,420
All right. Thank you.

1604
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:42,260
Are there any general council questions on this agenda item,

1605
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,840
knowing that this is our first reading and we do have an additional reading?

1606
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,220
This question, Director Gibson.

1607
02:08:50,540 --> 02:08:55,720
So looking at the roads, and this is, I don't want to get slotted for this because I know

1608
02:08:55,720 --> 02:09:00,380
that these roads, you know, we talk about the eastern access and the northern access.

1609
02:09:01,900 --> 02:09:07,960
I've always been confused about the configuration of Arlington Center and Concord Village.

1610
02:09:08,980 --> 02:09:14,640
I mean, I remember walking, yeah, I remember walking, knocking on doors.

1611
02:09:14,640 --> 02:09:20,020
back in 2017 and not quite understanding why I couldn't get from one side to the other side.

1612
02:09:20,740 --> 02:09:25,800
Again, I know this is a lightning rod, so I don't want to say like you should do anything with

1613
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:30,940
that because I know people, it's an unintended consequence, but just thinking of other developments

1614
02:09:30,940 --> 02:09:38,340
that we've had in our community and how those developments have made us maybe look at some

1615
02:09:39,140 --> 02:09:43,420
issues that have been there but haven't maybe warranted a second look, I can think, you know,

1616
02:09:43,420 --> 02:09:46,040
in terms of Kingsdale and to the east,

1617
02:09:46,380 --> 02:09:49,720
and when the school went into the north, right,

1618
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:53,360
there were a few things that we were able to accommodate

1619
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,280
in terms of traffic pattern sidewalks,

1620
02:09:56,420 --> 02:09:57,840
roundabouts, things of that nature.

1621
02:09:58,820 --> 02:10:01,420
I was just wondering if this was one of those things

1622
02:10:01,420 --> 02:10:04,540
that, you know, would warranted a second look,

1623
02:10:05,060 --> 02:10:07,380
not by NCR, but by the city

1624
02:10:07,380 --> 02:10:09,620
as something that we can do for the community

1625
02:10:09,620 --> 02:10:11,120
in terms of cleaning that up,

1626
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:15,080
or if that is like that for a very specific reason that we cannot touch.

1627
02:10:16,420 --> 02:10:18,620
We're not want to touch in case that's a lightening.

1628
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:24,700
Thank you for the question. During the planned mixed office process, the outreach process,

1629
02:10:25,660 --> 02:10:31,060
the residents made it clear that they did not want Allington Center to punch through.

1630
02:10:31,460 --> 02:10:33,740
That was very clear, very obvious.

1631
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:34,260
Okay.

1632
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:40,140
A number one message. As part of this major site plan application that BZAP is going to review,

1633
02:10:40,140 --> 02:10:46,680
there's a traffic impact study that was submitted. And the conclusions pretty

1634
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:54,300
clear. If you'll remember we used to have AOL, CompuServe Tree of Life, which by

1635
02:10:54,300 --> 02:10:58,120
understanding at one point had over a thousand employees. So significant traffic

1636
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:02,840
volumes since then has been diminished significantly. But the roads were designed

1637
02:11:02,840 --> 02:11:08,360
to accommodate significant traffic. And so the traffic impact analysis does

1638
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:13,460
not call for any significant road improvements as part of this development.

1639
02:11:14,020 --> 02:11:19,100
So we're clearing down several office buildings and we're replacing with office and some senior

1640
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:25,100
housing, which is low impact, one of the lowest impacts of all of residential uses.

1641
02:11:25,500 --> 02:11:30,260
So what the traffic impact study says is that our current infrastructure is okay.

1642
02:11:31,260 --> 02:11:35,620
One other issue that was brought up was the condition of the roads.

1643
02:11:35,620 --> 02:11:38,080
It's engineering departments all over this,

1644
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:41,040
in terms of adjusting our capital plan,

1645
02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:45,060
not going to replace the road until the construction is done.

1646
02:11:46,040 --> 02:11:47,880
So they're very good about that

1647
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:49,760
to make sure we're not allowing damage

1648
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,760
to our newly built infrastructure.

1649
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:53,980
So hopefully that answers some of your questions.

1650
02:11:54,260 --> 02:11:55,400
No, yeah, you had at the beginning,

1651
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:57,940
which was, I mean, he doesn't want it, so.

1652
02:11:58,140 --> 02:11:58,520
Absolutely.

1653
02:12:01,580 --> 02:12:02,440
Thank you.

1654
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:04,800
Just to add a little finer point.

1655
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:11,060
We didn't there was not unanimity on that point within the community. They're just to be fair.

1656
02:12:11,180 --> 02:12:15,120
There are some folks who would like those two things to punch through but kind of the sense we got

1657
02:12:15,740 --> 02:12:19,700
from the community that they're there with a fair amount of passion about keeping it

1658
02:12:19,700 --> 02:12:24,420
configured as it is. I assume there are two different planning communities is how it became

1659
02:12:24,420 --> 02:12:31,680
like that. Was that right? I mean that wasn't one unified development. That's my assumption

1660
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:34,400
and I'm going to look at Chad for the, Chad's nodding, yes.

1661
02:12:34,620 --> 02:12:35,200
Historian.

1662
02:12:35,340 --> 02:12:40,360
So Concord Village was developed in a large number of sections and phases.

1663
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:45,660
And my recollection of going through all of those minutes from decades ago was that was

1664
02:12:45,660 --> 02:12:51,620
an intentional piece to sort of separate the neighborhood from Henderson Road traffic.

1665
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:57,360
And again, you had AOL, CompuServe, Time Warner, that building, large building over

1666
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:59,920
200,000 square feet with a lot of traffic.

1667
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:03,520
So that was a big scary user, a commercial user at the time.

1668
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:06,780
So if my memory serves me, that was done intentionally.

1669
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:08,920
Great.

1670
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:10,680
Tell us about the lunch.

1671
02:13:11,940 --> 02:13:14,800
City Manager Shoney, whenever we approve TIF agreements,

1672
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:21,320
something we've heard in the past is can the schools handle the influx of students?

1673
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:24,060
And like, for example, we heard that on Lane Avenue,

1674
02:13:24,260 --> 02:13:25,460
I've never seen any numbers.

1675
02:13:25,460 --> 02:13:32,260
my guess is 10, 15, maybe people who are renovating their house move over there,

1676
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:36,620
that's they just might show up in the paperwork that way. And this is obviously

1677
02:13:36,620 --> 02:13:41,160
senior housing, but there could be some family circumstances that force someone

1678
02:13:41,160 --> 02:13:44,600
to have to stay with their grandparents or you know an older member of the

1679
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:51,160
family. I don't see much student, too many students living in that area, would

1680
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:58,380
you? So I've never asked Mr. Rule this question before but I'm gonna violate

1681
02:13:58,380 --> 02:14:01,520
number one rule which is don't ask a question you don't know the answer to.

1682
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:08,280
Matt, do you in your senior living facilities do you have any student any

1683
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:12,180
that have a kind of student population that you can like a K through 12 student

1684
02:14:12,180 --> 02:14:13,460
population that you can think of?

1685
02:14:19,690 --> 02:14:24,270
I'm not aware of it we that's not to say

1686
02:14:24,270 --> 02:14:26,770
It's never happened where a grandchild has moved in

1687
02:14:26,770 --> 02:14:28,430
with a grandparent for a season.

1688
02:14:30,330 --> 02:14:35,310
And it's not something that we're encouraging

1689
02:14:35,310 --> 02:14:36,770
or happens frequently.

1690
02:14:37,050 --> 02:14:38,730
Yes, they are 55 plus.

1691
02:14:39,150 --> 02:14:43,090
And my kids are not far out of school

1692
02:14:43,090 --> 02:14:45,110
and I am not far from that milestone.

1693
02:14:46,670 --> 02:14:50,370
So I don't wanna say it's not possible

1694
02:14:50,370 --> 02:14:52,470
that you would have parents moving into schools

1695
02:14:52,470 --> 02:14:57,690
and have a high school kid or something but we've just heard that in the past

1696
02:14:57,690 --> 02:14:59,830
and so I just wanted to tell you and to your

1697
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,260
Actually, there are, we do have data in the housing report that shows actually literally building by building the number of students that are in our multifamily projects.

1698
02:15:12,460 --> 02:15:17,620
Great. Thank you. Any other council questions, comments?

1699
02:15:18,820 --> 02:15:26,160
I just want to thank the residents for their coming in and giving their comments. I know that takes a lot. Thank you.

1700
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:36,500
Fantastic. Well, this will come before us for a second reading on August 25th.

1701
02:15:36,660 --> 02:15:44,980
Moving on to our second ordinance here tonight for council, for first reading, no council

1702
02:15:44,980 --> 02:15:51,420
action tonight. That's ordinance number 29-2025 and ordinance authorizing the city manager

1703
02:15:51,420 --> 02:15:56,740
to enter into contract with Continental Building Company for the revocation of the toddler pool

1704
02:15:56,740 --> 02:15:57,620
at Devon Pool.

1705
02:16:02,530 --> 02:16:06,110
We'll give it a minute. We will file out.

1706
02:16:32,910 --> 02:16:33,150
All right.

1707
02:16:36,190 --> 02:16:39,150
Is there any council questions

1708
02:16:39,150 --> 02:16:41,170
or comments on this ordinance?

1709
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:50,600
This is Devon Pool. I was just curious what we thought about the

1710
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:53,860
situation why we didn't really receive any other bid.

1711
02:16:55,540 --> 02:16:55,980
All right.

1712
02:16:58,470 --> 02:16:58,870
Yeah.

1713
02:17:00,510 --> 02:17:01,450
Jeff, why don't you take that one?

1714
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:04,940
Yeah, absolutely.

1715
02:17:05,140 --> 02:17:05,960
Thank you, Councilmember Adams.

1716
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,840
Yeah, it was a little bit of an interesting bidding on this.

1717
02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:11,560
In fact, that we put it out for bid the first time,

1718
02:17:11,700 --> 02:17:14,120
had it out for about a month, which is pretty typical

1719
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:17,640
for a project of this size, and we got one bid back.

1720
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:20,280
That was pretty significant over budget.

1721
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:25,020
it was that time that we kind of went back with the architects look for

1722
02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:27,820
opportunities to do some value engineering, but it was already a pretty

1723
02:17:27,820 --> 02:17:33,060
narrow scope. So really wasn't a lot we could do. So we did go ahead and put it

1724
02:17:33,060 --> 02:17:36,360
back on the street with pretty minimal changes. We kind of addressed some

1725
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:39,660
of the comments we got through the building permit review. We clarified

1726
02:17:39,660 --> 02:17:43,260
some of the scheduling requirements on the project and clarified a few

1727
02:17:43,260 --> 02:17:47,460
full details, but it was essentially the same project. Upon a rebid, we

1728
02:17:47,460 --> 02:17:54,280
again got one bid, same bidder who had been on it the first time. It was all about 18% reduction

1729
02:17:54,280 --> 02:18:01,480
over $300,000 on the project. We did do a post-bid review with them. The difference was mainly

1730
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:07,160
they got more competitive electric subcontractors on this bid. Really not a change to the project,

1731
02:18:07,980 --> 02:18:12,000
but they were able to get a little more competitive and reduce the bid on it.

1732
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,920
So we feel like after doing the two sets of bidding,

1733
02:18:15,340 --> 02:18:18,120
it's a pretty realistic indication of kind of what

1734
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:20,700
the market will do for this project right now.

1735
02:18:20,820 --> 02:18:23,760
We don't feel like going back out to bid at this time,

1736
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,280
we would really see any more reduction in the cost.

1737
02:18:26,380 --> 02:18:28,740
There's really not an opportunity to reduce the scope.

1738
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:31,900
So alternative would be to wait another season

1739
02:18:31,900 --> 02:18:34,560
and then likely still not see much of a reduction in bid

1740
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:36,900
without finding a way to reduce the scope.

1741
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:40,780
So there were some comments in the report.

1742
02:18:40,780 --> 02:18:45,960
we feel pretty good about the stuff we veed out that we don't that that's okay

1743
02:18:45,960 --> 02:18:49,900
that we're we don't I would say really more all clarifications I don't feel any

1744
02:18:49,900 --> 02:18:56,400
of it was truly a reduction in scope for the project okay thank you any other

1745
02:18:56,400 --> 02:19:01,540
council comments questions on this ordinance hearing men will take this

1746
02:19:01,540 --> 02:19:06,560
of second reading and action on August 25th moving on to ordinance number 30

1747
02:19:06,560 --> 02:19:10,720
dash 2025 and ordinance authorizing the city manager to make payment to

1748
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:16,560
American Electropower AEP for utility relocation services for the Fish and the

1749
02:19:16,560 --> 02:19:22,860
Road Phase 1 Reconstruction Project. Is there any council questions comments

1750
02:19:22,860 --> 02:19:27,960
on this ordinance? Council comments. This is hopefully an easy one. I'm just looking

1751
02:19:27,960 --> 02:19:32,540
for the definition of aerial utility crossing. So those ones that go over

1752
02:19:32,540 --> 02:19:38,360
the street. Yeah sorry Erin I'm going to jump in because this dates me way

1753
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:42,860
But I used to get beat up at council about the intersection of fishing or a reed.

1754
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:46,400
So please go out there and look at it because it's beautiful.

1755
02:19:46,580 --> 02:19:51,400
So basically we're talking about we still have the overhead lines on one side of fishing here.

1756
02:19:51,500 --> 02:19:51,780
Right.

1757
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:59,800
But all the utility crossings that used to cross at the intersections and various other parts that go over fishing here are all being undergrounded.

1758
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:00,060
Yeah.

1759
02:20:00,380 --> 02:20:01,400
I'm really excited about that.

1760
02:20:01,460 --> 02:20:01,560
Yeah.

1761
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:05,980
So that's just that just happened because it's an opportunity because we had to move these other things and they decided to.

1762
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:06,380
Yes.

1763
02:20:06,380 --> 02:20:10,900
It sounds like the goodness of their heart. They decided to make it less visually cluttered for us

1764
02:20:10,900 --> 02:20:13,800
But I have to assume there was something else that play now

1765
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:18,120
So when they did the design for fishing here, and they installed conduit under the road

1766
02:20:18,120 --> 02:20:24,620
So it's already there pull the utilities under. Okay, awesome. But we have to help pay for that. Okay

1767
02:20:26,460 --> 02:20:29,940
Great questions. Any other council question comments

1768
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:34,840
We will take back to second reading and council action on August 25th

1769
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:45,400
Moving on to ordinance number 31-2025 and ordinance authorizing the city manager to enter into contract with double Z construction for construction related services for the 2025

1770
02:20:46,540 --> 02:20:48,300
Hydrant Replacement Project.

1771
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:53,640
Is there any council questions on this one?

1772
02:20:54,740 --> 02:21:00,640
Question. I know we've talked a lot about fire hydrants. Can you remind me the notice process to the residents?

1773
02:21:02,980 --> 02:21:04,820
The notice process that we sent.

1774
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:10,680
Yeah for the residents when they're oh as far as construction goes yeah so if

1775
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:14,780
there's going to be direct impact to a resident we typically for something of

1776
02:21:14,780 --> 02:21:18,060
this scale we would directly knock on their door if it was something that was

1777
02:21:18,060 --> 02:21:22,040
going to impede access or anything like that we would be giving them advanced

1778
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:26,220
notice normally about a week roughly but for this kind of a project it'll be

1779
02:21:26,220 --> 02:21:32,620
pretty small scale isolated really in the grass right right for behind the

1780
02:21:32,620 --> 02:21:36,820
walk depending where that is so should not see many impacts residents so we

1781
02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:40,040
would have typically a day or two beforehand hey we're gonna be in your

1782
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:43,520
front yard working on this fire hydrant give them kind of a rundown of what

1783
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:45,580
that process looks like what restoration would look like.

1784
02:21:49,180 --> 02:21:49,860
Any other

1785
02:21:49,860 --> 02:21:52,780
council questions? Alright I

1786
02:21:54,930 --> 02:21:58,050
think that concludes our legislative items for

1787
02:21:58,050 --> 02:22:05,870
tonight. Yes it does. Alright moving on is there a city manager update? No not

1788
02:22:05,870 --> 02:22:11,230
really welcome back everybody we've got a full fall in front of us and look

1789
02:22:11,230 --> 02:22:19,020
forward to closing out the year strong fantastic all right I'll now call for

1790
02:22:19,020 --> 02:22:25,480
motion to adjourn second it's been moved and seconded all those in favor of

1791
02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:31,060
adjourning be signified by saying aye aye any opposed stay side meeting is now

1792
02:22:31,060 --> 02:22:31,980
adjourned thank you