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All right. Seven.
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» 7:03 p.m. Uh, I will call. Yeah.
>> Call this meeting to order. This meeting

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of the Marboro Town Council.
Uh, town manager Anderson. You're

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settled. Could you please vote?
Mayor B here. Vice Mayor Bruce

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believe he's going to be late this
evening. Council

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» Frank
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» Council member Berkeley
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Attorney Ruff is not going to be in.
She's not going to be here tonight. And

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Chief Bur is also off tonight.
All right, we will stand

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also.

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All right, we'll do uh review of the
agenda. Uh we'll I'll read into the

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record the approval of the close session
meeting minutes from the previous two

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close sessions. Our business item, our
mix and mingle parking agreement, uh

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pocket park RP response and update
strategic plan RFP response and update

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demolition and debris removal of 5510.
uh compact tractor purchase staff's

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response to the unhoused community.
We'll do a general public comment. Um

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motion to go into close session
preliminary approval of next agenda. I

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have two uh adjustments I would like to
make if there aren't any objections. One

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of them um as it's become tradition, I
have a proclamation to read for this

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month. Uh so I'd like to do that before
I read the approval of the close session

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minutes. And then two, um, just to make
sure that we're clear [clears throat]

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that we're not that if we move into
close session, we won't be coming back

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into open session, I want to move the
preliminary approval of next meeting

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agenda before that motion. Uh, and then
make it clear that uh, if we do go into

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close session, that will be an
adjournment uh, from close session. We

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won't be coming back into session.
Any objections to those two changes? All

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So
July 2026 is disability pride month. Uh

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as such I have a proclamation to read
here. Whereas disability pride month is

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observed each July to commemorate the
enactment of the Americans with

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Disabilities Act ADA on July 26th, 1990.
Landmark civil rights legislation that

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affirms the rights of individuals with
disabilities and advances equal

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opportunity, accessibility, independent
living, and full participation in

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society. And whereas the town of Upper
Marbor recognizes that people with

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disabilities are integral members of our
community whose leadership, innovation,

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service, and lived experiences
strengthen our neighborhoods,

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businesses, schools, and civic
institutions. And whereas disability

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pride month celebrates disability as a
valued aspect of human diversity and

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encourages all people to embrace a
community where every individual is

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treated with dignity, respect, and the
opportunity to contribute their unique

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talents. And whereas the town of
Okamarbor is committed to fostering a

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welcoming and accessible community by
promoting equitable access to public

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spaces, programs, services, and civic
engagement, ensuring that all residents

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and visitors have the opportunity to
fully participate in community life. And

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whereas we celebrate disability pride
month, we reaffirm our shared

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responsibility to remove barriers,
challenge stereotypes, expand

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opportunities, and build a more
inclusive future where every person is

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empowered to thrive and reach their full
potential. Now therefore, I, Charles

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Colbert, mayor of the town of Upper
Marboro, do hereby proclaim the month of

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July 2026 as disability pride month in
the town of Upper Morboro and encourage

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all residents to recognize the
achievements and contributions of

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individuals with disabilities, celebrate
the richness of our diverse community,

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and join in creating a town where
accessibility, inclusion, and belonging

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are woven into every aspect of community
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» Very much.
>> Thank you. We'll move on to

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the reading and approval of the close
session minutes.

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You all are getting a lot of story time
for me this evening.

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Close

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session summary from June 9th, 2026. Uh
at 7:45 p.m. Town Hall, uh the town

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council moved to go into close session
under annotated code 3-305B7

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to consult with council to obtain legal
advice. Those who move to go into close

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session, uh, the motion was made by
council member Lot, seconded by council

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member Urklay. Uh, all members present,
including myself, Vice Mayor Brooks, and

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Council Member Sarah Franklin, voted in
the affirmative. uh unanimous vote of

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elected officials. Those in attendance
were uh myself, Vice Mayor Derek Brooks,

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Council Member Sarah Franklin, Council
Member Joe Erkley, and Council Member

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Karen Lot, as well as town manager
Clayton Anderson, public works director

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Darnell Bond, police chief David Bur,
and town attorney Karen Ruff. Uh no

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votes were taken and the topics
discussed were anouar town to be

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renegotiated to a new agreement to be
entered into on the automatic renewal

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date of the current agreement. Uh the
meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.

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Okay. And then

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close session notes from June 30th,
2026. The time is 7:48 p.m. here at town

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hall. Uh the town council moved to go
into close session under annotated code

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3-305B1D7.

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Uh
it's long.

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» It is long. Let's see where it is. To
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assignment, promotion, discipline,
demotion, compensation, removal,

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resignation, or performance evaluation
of appointees, employees or officials

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over whom this public body has
jurisdiction, any other personnel matter

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that affects one or more specific
individuals. And uh section four, to

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consider a matter that concerns the
proposal for a business or industrial

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organization to locate, expand, or
remain in the state.

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The motion was made by council member
Lach. It was seconded by Vice Mayor

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Brooks. Uh all members present including
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council member uh voted in the
affirmative. So unanimous vote of

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elected officials. Again, those in
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Brooks, Council Member Franklin, Council
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Town Manager Anderson, Town attorney
Ruff, uh and Legit Representative Matt

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Peters. No vote were taken. The topics
discussed were that legit presented and

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discussed with council professional
conduct governance of working

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relationships. Um after that discussion
that Peters left and the council

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discussed a business request regarding a
parking agreement. The meeting was

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adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
require a motion to approve there. A

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motion to approve the closed session
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» Second.
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member, seconded by council member
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could call the role.
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» Council member,
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» we will move on to business item 6A,
mixing parking agreement. Town manager

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Anderson.
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Good evening member audience. Um just a
bit of background on the parking

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agreement for with Mixle. Um they are a
business that wants to move to downtown

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upper Mboro. It's a part of their
development. Uh they need 20 off street

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parking spaces. Uh originally we thought
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down to 20 now. We do have 20 parking
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at 14525 Church Street. Um I spoke with
the uh owner Licon Engle and we

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negotiated the terms of of the agreement
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by Deepine. We're giving them 20 spaces
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uh January of 2028.
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after January 2028
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every year after that. Um after the 10
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to renegotiate on the 5year 5year terms
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perspective with respect to revenue, uh,
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Church Street parking lot only generated
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time. So, the town isn't necessarily
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» Okay. Are there any questions from
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agreement?
a question for my comment. Um, I just

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realized that you said 10year with two
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actually says that it ends on 2031. So,
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extensions, but it does say the period
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ending in 2031. So, one of those needs
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» Yeah. 2036. 2080 should be 2036.
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paper I caught a typo in in one uh
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part four it says together a with the
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Franklin
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do we have Vice Mayor Brooks

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Um, hearing no other
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do we have a motion to approve the mix
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changes noted by council member Urklay
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remove the errant aid in section one.
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moved. Do I have a second?
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» Okay.
>> Uh, we'll take public comment. If there

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are, uh, members of the public in the
audience that would like to speak,

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please come up to the podium. Uh,
provide your name and street.

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We'll give you an opportunity to speak
on this agenda item. If there are

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members online, please raise your hand
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Hearing none. Seeing none, uh, we'll
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manager Anderson, please call the role.
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Council Member Brandon,
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» Council member Bley.
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» Council member.
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All right, we will move on to Pocket
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So, what I wanted to do tonight is not
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potatoes of the RFPs and the responses,
but I just wanted to just give a quick

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overview of where we are there and then
um ask that we come back at the at the

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next meeting to actually discuss the
RFPs for the pocket park. Um the sort of

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services that we that we wanted was site
analysis and planning. Um, this is a

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very important part of our downtown. So,
I wanted to make sure, you know, we had

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we had talked about staff planning it
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better to have a cons and actually do
that because this is a project that is

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going to affect downtown for many years
to come. So, um, I wanted a a

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professional to take a look at it, to
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some ideas that would benefit the
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well, and bring folks in into downtown.
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were sort of struggling with with SAG.
We be struggling what's the concept? Um,

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what are what are the designs going
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much easier and natural thing for a
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things as well. Um the public engagement
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know a lot of time and I think the town
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engagement and again I thought that a
professional consultant may have a fresh

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a fresh approach to it and really get
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residents as as well. Um
they with respect to the con to the

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construction part um we would like them
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so that we can choose
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economically feasible and at the same

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time uh dependable as well. So that's
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had in the RFP and what I think the
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this more um moving forward. But I do
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» So this discussion is the RFP in here is
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» No, you all you will all get it please.
>> Okay. I did I did attach them to the

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email, but they were they were bad
copies. The scanner, they just weren't

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good. So, um you'll have those after the
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right now.
>> So, uh again, this isn't not voting on

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um this topic tonight. This is just a
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objectives, scope of service, and the
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I'll just start going down the down the
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I'll start with you know, you just you
just stopped in. Vice May. So, Council

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Member Franklin, do you have any
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» I guess my only question is since it
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for the RFP is, is it possible for us to
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two weeks or two weeks close to the
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comes in before the next meeting? cuz I
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Um, that's my only comment.
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and I had as well. We were looking there
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extend it, right? Because we only had
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two are are bad, but we did we did want
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» Just Yeah,
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issue extending it. Um, so I mean that's
just I take advant

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» currently closes.
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» it's already closed.
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» And you said, sorry, I apologize. How
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Just two.
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» Okay.
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proposals in there. So,
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» Do we have um someone So, we're
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a design. Correct. come up with with a
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» So why can't we ask both of them to come
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that kind of fits our town?
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» that can be like a you can ask for a
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» Yeah. Part of the selection process was
going to be an interview and the

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expectation would be that they would
have something which you presented at

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» the mockup is just not it's not
something final. It's just a video of

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what they can do.
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to go with that and then if something
else comes in then hey it's added to the

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to the bowl but I don't think we should
wait until

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did you have any other comments or was
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» No, that was my comment. I don't think
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should leave it um if someone else
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should definitely get a mockup from both
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produce.
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part one in the site analysis and
planning including at least two

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community engagement sessions was that
we were would be funding them to

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basically have meetings with the
community about what the community would

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like to see. And so it's more than just
them designing it because they'd be

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running that portion of it also. And
that and that may be why we got your

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response is that some groups may not
have been interested in doing that

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portion of it.
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plan that and then also um we had the
previous survey on what the citizens

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would like to see and I don't know we
distributed the responses from that one.

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I tried looking through my email and
then it might have been rolled off.

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» I can I can send it again. I thought we
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email back two months. So,
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» Yeah. Um sorry. Do you have any other
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» Uh, no. But I did find Well, I guess I
guess yes, then. Um, one of them

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commented it was something to the effect
of parking with a park above it. I mean,

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sound interesting, but how many parking
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And does that I expect that one would be
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» Yes, that was the most
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and I wasn't sure if the
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the design portion or if that was an
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constructing it. So I just assume it was
more more expensive to find it if

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there's a structure.
>> Yeah.

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» Um
it's related to this but also just in

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general discussion before about kind of
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mechanisms and whatnot. So one question
I have and you may have answered this

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already. I apologize if I'm asking you
to repeat yourself, but what were some

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of the uh avenues that you advertised
the the RFP in addition to the town

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website?
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there's the town website. There's also
there's a the planning website. We

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advertise I had it to do that. Um we
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there's a park planning website as well.
Not a park planning website, but uh

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there as well. We also reached out. I
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different consultants as well via email.
I think only one or two responded and

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their response was um
they wanted to know what the what the

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cost would like what the budget budget
was. Sure. Okay. Um Okay. I just

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» Sorry, but the planning planning was the
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planning for the pocket.
>> Okay.

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» So Okay. Got it. Take a note of where
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that our our net is wide as we're we're
casting these particularly with again

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looking at if there are local
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» Vice May Brooks, did you have any
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» This is regarding the parking lot,
>> the the pocket park.

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» Oh, the pocket park.
>> No.

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[sighs] So I think um based on the
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to extend the um the open period to see
if there's an opportunity for one of you

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know uh another couple of
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respondents to provide a response. So do
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that getting is that delaying schedule
too much? I mean, it it's definitely

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pushing it back, but I mean, I think
that it may be worth it. I mean, I'm I'm

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willing to push, you know, extend for
another 30 days.

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» 30 days.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> In the meantime, uh, can we still go

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forward with having them create a mockup
because it's not going to I mean, at the

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end of the day, we still need to see who
the board is going to pick to go with,

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» right? So, they are aware that we're
looking to interview. the two that we do

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have they would be able to do.
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» All right.
>> Other comments

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around
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this of the community engagement and
stuff like that. I don't know if there

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are groups like um you know there's
plenty of nurseries in the area that

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might have like plant nursery type
places. Um what is it? Tuxen 301, you

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know, might have, you know, folks who
can do conceptual designs for for a for

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a part, but may not have that aspect of
it. So, we might be able to keep it

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local if you back, but you know, we'd
have to get that that part from someone

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else.
>> Yeah. So, I think I think the I think

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the RFP is out right now. We've hades to
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have and if any additional ones come in
and then you know we can make the

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determination based on what the
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we need to carve out separately but I
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restart the process with
>> dissecting the RFP at this point.

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» Exactly. Um,
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it might be to see if it can get out to
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because sometimes they um are engaged in
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» landscape architecture firms like
engineers that have um and then

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my other comment is um my only concern
about having them mock something up out

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of community engagement would be like
would the community feel like we're

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picking a design
outside of their engagement process. So

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I just wanted to stick them on the
table. Um [clears throat]

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but it sounds like we're going to extend
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um periods but that's maybe for later.
>> Can I say something?

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» Um can I piggy back off of that?
>> Sure. The reason why I suggested a

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mockup was sometimes, you know, you see
a space and you really don't have the

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experience. So, you you may want things
that we can't possibly have in that

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space. So, it's not necessarily the
community can't um have input, but we

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want to kind of give them some kind of
starting point as to what it could look

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like and give them options, you know,
just to help the process along.

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» Yeah.
>> Not to take over for them and say this

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is what we're doing.
>> Sure. So, so perhaps instead of um a

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mockup of that particular specific
place, part of their presentation to us

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would be if they have examples of
similarly sized projects that they've

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done in the past and how they've
transformed them.

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» Yep, that makes sense.
>> Uh because the other part of it is, you

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know, this is it's still a competitive
bid process and we're not paying them

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for preparing their bids. So, we don't
want them to incur store work um that we

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may not choose.
That's smart. Yeah.

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» Other questions.

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» Hearing none. So, we'll extend the open
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schedule the two that are that have
responded to come in to some meeting

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either at the town meeting or the next
work session whenever we can uh put it

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on the agenda. Um [clears throat]
and then we'll move from there. Okay.

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Moving on to the next item, strategic
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» Yeah, these two the with the strategic
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like uh not take another a but could you
roll the pocket park into the strategic

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plan as well? Like you know could you
roll the design of that into the

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strategic plan? Um so that was just a
thought that I had. you know, maybe

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that's that's another option there. But
the scope of work with the

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with the strategic plan and based on the
goals of the economic development

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working group, you know, we we're
looking at business retention and

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business recruitment. Uh we're looking
at what downtown Upper Mboro is going to

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look like uh for the next five five
years and how we continue to build on

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that. Um and that that can that can
include parking which which has has been

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an issue. Um design standards and things
like that. Um we're looking at small

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business support as well because as
we've seen um recently with a with quite

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a few of our small businesses that have
come in um they they've they've

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struggled a bit. They don't understand
the process. They don't understand the

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permitting process, the licensing
processes and things like that. And we

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like to be able to create programs so
that we can continue to support small

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businesses to open and to remain open.
You know, where do you how do you get

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funding? What grants are available and
things like that. So

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the strategic plan is going to be in
place again to keep the businesses that

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we have, recruit businesses to again
create a plan for the next 5 to 10

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years. um is going to look like and how
it's going to grow. Um and and it has a

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small business support component to it
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And again, I'll ask sorry I I promise
you I'm listening to you, but um have

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you received respons how many responses
have you received to on this one as

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well? And this one's also closed.
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Uh where have we advertised? Where did
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» I said IP is ABA. Um, and I reached out
to about I would say at least six or

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seven different
different firms. So, um, I reached out

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to one of the bigger ones, Baker Tilly.
They didn't get back to me until late. I

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guess we were going to be small potatoes
for them. Um, there was another firm

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that's really good, but Baker Tilly
acquired them. I reached out to them.

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They didn't get back to me until late as
well.

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» So, yeah, I can put it off for an
additional 30 days. And um

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as you said, widen the reach out to MML
and see if there's any.

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» So, do we get any um
>> on this one? We have two as well.

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» Yes.
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» Okay.
>> Um All right. So, with with that, we'll

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continue with the questions. Council
member Live, did you have any other

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questions? Yes, sir.
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» um I just made a comment. So, I know
that the county was actively helping um

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the west when West failure was talking
about new retail of like helping them

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recruit folks for a shopping center. And
I I went to their meeting and thought,

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why aren't they helping us with that
sort of thing? So I don't know what it

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takes, you know, if it's only new
construction if they help with that sort

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of thing because even if it was, you
know, they identified some some

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businesses that were interested in
coming to the area, but they weren't a

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right fit for Westfailia, maybe they
were a good fit for us.

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So it was uh Way who held that meeting
when she before she was at large. So I

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don't know if she would be a good
contact or if it was I think it was

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through MNCPPC and they had said they
had gone to radius for some

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SCS. Um I did I did meet with FSC, so
they did give me some contacts uh for

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business recruitment as well. And um I
haven't set up my time to meet with them

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yet, but I'm also working FSC as well.
And something else that um I'd had a

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discussion with Victor my neighbor
months ago and uh he made a suggestion

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that and I don't this would be a
separate funding thing of you know would

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it make sense to have like a liaison for
permitting somebody that was experienced

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that we could point small businesses to
that were interested and like they would

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help walk them through the process
and I don't that be like mentoring

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through the the business group or
>> well we had had a discussion with the

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economic de development working group to
have sort of an unbudsman

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» but I did reach out to a few people who
would want to do it but they wouldn't do

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it for free so it's it's there's a cost
associated with that

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» and I guess we have to you know figure
out like what is what is worthwhile for

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the town for businesses you know and it
might be that you know there are certain

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types of businesses that we know we
definitely want that we're willing to to

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assist in that way and maybe others that
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policy on
>> Yeah.

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» on that.

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» Are we going to extend it?
>> That's what's on the table.

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» Just to see if we get any more.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. Suggestion.
You have any objections?

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No. 30 days.
>> Any other comments?

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I I guess I have a question slash we're
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necessarily want to specifically change
with the RFP but one of the things I

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noticed about the responses
is they were from retail strategy groups

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which makes sense right and maybe the
pocket of things we're asking for is

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like more than one company does because
what I didn't notice was like how they

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were going to
work on a plan to activate the ohms

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building. And what I was thinking as I
was reading them is this retail strategy

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stuff is excellent and then there's not
this ohms plan, but I think it's because

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they're two different types of planning.
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getting the response was we're asking
for

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two different firms to come together and
submit an RFP. And that's not frequently

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going to happen. and that we maybe need
to split those two things out to get

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more responses, which of course then
that disrupts the whole process because

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you have to like send out two RFPs and
whatnot, but I just don't know if that's

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part of the reason that that's
happening.

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» Yeah, I I think that's definitely take a
look at that. It wouldn't be difficult

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to split out the two RFP. So when you
say split out of our R&D and with

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respect to the homes building, what are
you are you looking for? We be looking

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for developers interested in developing
what their ideas are or what what

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» I mean I guess the retail strategy has
to be there but also like what is

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actually physically happening with the
building because the community really

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wants to see what's physically happening
with the building and like who the right

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retailers are. Maybe that's in there and
I just wasn't I was looking for

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something more specific when I was
reading. So maybe it's fine

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a specific question. Maybe I don't know
if we can ask the people who submit like

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I don't know how to I don't know how to
identify if that's a problem or not a

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problem but I have to follow that.
>> Yeah. Well, I I mean I would think so

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one my first response is similar to the
pocket part piece which is you know we

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have the RFP that's been out so let's
see what we get with the responses on

417
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:26,799
the extension on that but also I think
part of the strategic plan itself is

418
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,880
community engagement and that is
something that is a big part or you know

419
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:34,159
a lot on everyone's focus so I would
imagine that part of that conversation

420
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,159
part of that strategic community
engagement would be determining what

421
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:42,000
does the community want to happen with
the ohms building. I think we can say I

422
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,840
think it's reasonable to say as a part
of your strategic engagement plan, this

423
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:50,799
is a question to ask. This is a question
to kind of plan on as opposed to

424
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:56,080
breaking it out separately right now.
>> And then maybe the responses from that

425
00:33:52,559 --> 00:34:00,159
or even the the responses from the
>> um community engagement then warrants a

426
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,159
separate
>> breakout RFP.

427
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,240
» That makes sense.
>> All right.

428
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:12,320
» Okay. Any other comments on the
strategic engagement for strategic plan

429
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:17,919
RFP?
>> I well yes um I don't know if it would

430
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:24,480
fit into this but I remember that when
we had our candidates forum last

431
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:29,520
collection um someone approached me
saying that she had a development

432
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:33,280
corporation and she was in Marl.
I didn't get her contact at the time

433
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,800
because election she said she would
contact me afterwards. I don't remember

434
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,040
if that's one of the people that's on
the economic development council or if

435
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:46,480
it was someone separate.
I'm liking our picture in her face and

436
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:51,119
get her name. Um,
but I mean some of this,

437
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:55,040
you know, might be handled by a
development corporation. So maybe we

438
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,760
need to look into,
you know, are there ones in the area

439
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:04,880
that would support us or do we need to
form one to to do these tasks long term

440
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:09,839
rather than contract them out?
>> Yeah. And I think uh when we first

441
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:14,240
considered or first uh legislated the
economic development work group uh a

442
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:20,160
couple of years ago at this point, one
of the goals or one of the charges was

443
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:24,960
for them to evolve into an economic
development corporation to do a lot of

444
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:29,040
these to do a lot of this type of work.
Uh and so I think I don't think that the

445
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:33,520
developer that you're talking about is
on the committee as it stands right now

446
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:37,280
just from who I know on the committee.
But if you have that information and you

447
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:42,320
find it, please pass it along to town
manager uh Anderson. But I think to that

448
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:45,520
point, it's worth probably at some point
with the economic development work group

449
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,520
thinking through what the steps are
necessary to move in that direction as

450
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:55,440
that was one of the original goals. Um
but separate from

451
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:58,560
this particular discussion, uh we we
know what a director.

452
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,599
» Yes.
>> All right.

453
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:07,720
» Sounds good. Moving right along to
demolition and debris removal

454
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:13,680
» on the on the strategic plan or the
demolition.

455
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,280
» No, demolition.
>> Okay. Well, let's let them introduce it

456
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:22,320
first, then we'll do the we'll do the
question. One of you is taking it. Okay.

457
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:28,720
» Okay.
and good afternoon.

458
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:35,520
We're requesting um approval to award
the demolition contract for the uh 5510

459
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:41,920
crane highway property um all out of
town. Um there are for those who don't

460
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:47,839
know, there are two uh partially
standing structures uh

461
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:54,240
on the on the property that need to be
teared down. Um, as you all know that uh

462
00:36:51,599 --> 00:37:02,000
legit came off in a site visit and made
recommendation to have them uh pretty

463
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:10,160
much drop uh as soon as possible. Um so
along with this uh we solicited seven

464
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:18,800
companies. Uh we got interest from four
um I believe there were report visits.

465
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:28,160
um three um uh
submissions that three of the companies

466
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:34,000
uh submitted our proposal and uh two
will follow on the same company. Um and

467
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:39,520
that is the company that we would like
to move forward with which is Dickory

468
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:47,520
and Recon.
Um so the their goal would be to simply

469
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:54,560
reduce both uh parking band instructors
to brown leather and so that no one

470
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:57,839
would actually cut the interior and um
you know we would have to worry about

471
00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:03,040
anyone
inside or anything like that. Um and

472
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,599
also provide a temporary fencing to go
around the structure that we can move

473
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:15,040
them. Um
uh this is the sto of a pin until we can

474
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:22,160
uh adequately you know funds have been
removed off the bike. Um but this is

475
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:30,000
satisfy um audit we had from the jet uh
by doing this. Um so the amount for uh

476
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:38,000
data demolition coming in at 29,000 and
that is to reduce uh both buildings to

477
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:46,079
ground level and that is also to um sort
of group together everything within

478
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:53,599
150 range of the structures and to uh
sort of level it all

479
00:38:48,880 --> 00:39:00,240
when there's no longer a large void.
side of the structures. Um so with that,

480
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:06,240
um I will take any questions. Uh
additionally, there is a cost of $400

481
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:12,200
per month for the temporary fencing. Um
that is until we can actually get the

482
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,200
right.

483
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:21,920
» Uh yeah. So I see tree removal on here
as well. So we're not using up a tree.

484
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:26,800
Right. Okay. And the fence, you don't
have to actually go and everything.

485
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:30,640
There's another couple, just a bunch of
different ones. The easiest way to do

486
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,640
it,
um,

487
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:48,960
» make sense. Um, the other question is,
um, I know that we talked before about

488
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:53,839
getting, um,
some carts so you guys could go back

489
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,960
back and forth. Where are we with that?
>> We are working on that currently. We're

490
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:03,440
just trying to see what what will be the
most pretty much the bang for your buck

491
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,920
as far as what has been uh, approved for
this year [snorts] as far as the

492
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,880
purchase price.
>> Okay. A new one, right?

493
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:17,200
» Okay.
>> Yes. Hey, that's two.

494
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:21,359
» Two, but if uh there is a concern that
the two that we're looking at won't do

495
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:26,079
everything we needed to do. So, it may
be one and there will be sort of a

496
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:30,440
sharing and we keep it up here at town
hall just in case need access.

497
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:40,000
» Yeah, cuz if they're going to do
patrols, they probably will be,

498
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:46,400
you know, have it here to go over there.
Um, sorry before you jump in, but just a

499
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:52,160
couple of quick questions. So, um, the
temporary thinking structure $400 a

500
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:58,240
month, what's the timeline on how long
that's staying

501
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:05,119
» until we can have fun to have everything
removed. Uh in order to remove

502
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:09,359
everything from over there um just
and doing site visits, it's going to be

503
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:14,800
quite intensive. We're going to need to
create a temporary gravel road. We're

504
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:19,839
going to need to remove some trees uh
and we're going to have to move some

505
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:25,359
equipment on site and uh stage over
there for that mobilization that will

506
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:31,200
come at an increased cost as well. Um so
with this with this company uh agreeing

507
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:37,040
to sort of grab any rubble within 150
foot radius and sort of less costly.

508
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:41,839
» So that that answers one of my other
questions. So this this kind this

509
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,680
agreement would be for primarily for
demolition but there would still be a

510
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:49,359
significant amount of of debris that
would need to be removed at some point.

511
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:56,400
That's what's being fenced off.
>> Yes. And this company did provide um

512
00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:01,520
to everything
that is significant cost.

513
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:06,560
» It was approximately 87,000.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think there was more

514
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,920
that we needed that made it a little
closer to like 91.

515
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:16,480
» But within this Sorry, I'll come to you
one second. But within this within this

516
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:21,359
29,000, did that include the removal of
the vehicles and the tires or this is it

517
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:25,920
doesn't include any any removal at all?
>> Okay.

518
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:29,440
That's but it's not in 15 radius either.
It's further away.

519
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:34,480
» So anything that's close. Can we push
the car over there?

520
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,760
Okay. Can I ask you said we had two
proposals. Is that the other proposal?

521
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,760
Was it for
>> we

522
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:52,480
Okay. Thank you.
>> Councley. Um, so as as there's multiple

523
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:57,839
portions of their scope of work, you
know, it's kind of a line item. There's

524
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:05,119
a mention of mow and make ready entrance
road with front deck mower.

525
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:08,880
Is that can they do that first part of
you know dropping the building and stuff

526
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:16,000
like that with having an entrance road?
So if they did that depending on how

527
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:24,040
long it takes to
that stuff would just grow back up.

528
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:24,040
» So we may end up spending money.

529
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:31,040
» Okay. [snorts]
>> Is what what they would like to do is

530
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,760
once they do that they they want to come
in and bring [clears throat] more.

531
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,680
» Yeah. Well, there there was actually
two. Wait, there was a separate one for

532
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,280
the
actual Oh, yeah. Yeah. The the putting

533
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:53,560
the gravel on there and stuff for the
roadway was 19,000, but then there was

534
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:53,560
the mowing it down to was 7500. So,

535
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:02,480
um, as you put on what what might be a
another problem is that they have a

536
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:09,240
proposed start date in here of May 11th
and there is another

537
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,240
where was it?

538
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,800
» But but the issue is that on the very
last page it says contractors rights to

539
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:20,720
withdraw this proposal or reestimate the
price if not accepted within 15 days.

540
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,040
» Validity the validity date. Have we
confirmed if the practicing is still

541
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,040
valid?
>> Yes.

542
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:41,160
» Any other comments,
Brooks?

543
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,160
» May 11th. This is start date of 27th.

544
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:49,040
The proposal was based on a May 11 start
date, but since we're now beyond that,

545
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,839
May 11, 2026, he validated or confirmed
that the pricing is still valid if we

546
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,520
approve it tonight.
>> Okay. What fund is that coming out of?

547
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,200
» Well, that would come from our operating
and then we don't have a separate fund

548
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:05,440
for that, but the operating account.
>> Yeah. But that there is money available

549
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,640
for that. So,
>> we're not pulling from any other

550
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:12,800
accounts. is coming from our operating
area.

551
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:17,040
» Oh, wait. One more. When you say uh you
asked this question, did you give an

552
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:21,680
answer? Um
how many how long will it take for how

553
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:26,480
long will this process take? Cuz it's
$400 a month for the FIN fee. So, how

554
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:33,480
long would that process take? That that
depends on when we move forward and

555
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,480
allocated to actually

556
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:45,720
the overall price is about $80,000 to
remove everything. So

557
00:45:52,720 --> 00:46:00,640
» I have a couple of questions. Um
>> the the first one is because you said

558
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,800
the fund it was coming from but we we
did budget this. Yes, I feel like we

559
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:08,079
budgeted for this or or is it coming out
of contingency then?

560
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:13,680
» Well, I guess it will come out we could
it will come out different contingencies

561
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:18,000
but we don't have a specific line item.
>> Okay. So, is are we gonna have to amend

562
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:23,440
our budget or we gonna
>> Well, well, we would have to make a

563
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,920
budget amendment at some point anyway
because um there's an additional fund

564
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:30,720
balance as well. So, we would have to
amend the budget.

565
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:37,119
» Okay. So, we have a line item to take it
out of and then we'll address it when we

566
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:42,160
amend the budget. Okay. Um
then

567
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,680
so one thing about fencing is and this
may be crazy like can we purchase

568
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,240
fencing but I'm guessing that there's
also like maintenance of the fencing and

569
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,240
whatnot
>> but

570
00:46:52,319 --> 00:47:02,079
the fencing will keep people out of it.
[snorts]

571
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:09,839
Yes. No. I don't know the reason I'm
so because I can see sort of that area

572
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:14,960
from my home. There are occasionally
buyers back there. Like I think

573
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:19,359
somebody's back there,
>> right? And so the concern that I'm

574
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:25,520
having is they're going to take all this
debris from two structures and put it in

575
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:29,200
a pile.
And we can see that people are lighting

576
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:35,920
fires back there. and it's the woods.
And so like how are we ensuring

577
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:43,920
that that doesn't become
a fire that then endangers the 16 homes

578
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:50,160
that are
>> okay the fire aspect was a little new to

579
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:56,400
me.
Um but with the temporary fencing

580
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:02,960
with any fence pretty much you can do
you can

581
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:08,560
» but it is um it has very heavy fences.
The fence themselves are particularly

582
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:16,480
light but they're sort of heavy duty and
they're also bolted together. So that

583
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:22,240
should there access door or anything. So
that should

584
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:27,920
keep any reasonable
>> but I mean it is a chain link fence. So

585
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:34,400
if someone does want to set fire to it,
you can. Do we have an option of 8 foot?

586
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:39,680
I believe I believe it's it's roughly
the same as these, but I believe these

587
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,200
» and then I think there were when we had
this discussion. Sorry.

588
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:47,680
» No, we can keep this discussion.
>> Um when we had this discussion before, I

589
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:52,720
think legit had had a number of other
safety or security measures that they

590
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:56,960
had recommended as well. Are those still
on the table in addition to this

591
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,359
demolition piece? Have we just to again
address the issue of making sure no

592
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:04,000
one's going back there?
>> Well, one of the one of the security

593
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:07,200
measures was having a light and we're
>> we we're not going to do that.

594
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,800
» Sure.
>> But um for legit, and correct me if I'm

595
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:18,319
wrong, they were satisfied with the with
the 8ft fence uh completely enclosed and

596
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,680
secured and posted. So they were
satisfied with that along with

597
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:30,400
um I guess a chain across the front, you
know, blocking that off as well. So um

598
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,280
so but what we had in place there is
good for them.

599
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:37,920
» And there's also some things that they
had us do to the actual structure

600
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:45,839
themselves. Uh take them off with
caution tape. Each entrance that we know

601
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:50,880
is um uh blocked off with caution tape.
There's posted no trespassing signs, no

602
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:55,839
injury and all those sort of things. And
we patrol it uh twice a week. So with

603
00:49:54,079 --> 00:50:00,800
all that, we'll be able to tell if
someone does access the property.

604
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:05,040
» Council, you had two more. I
>> had two two more questions. And these

605
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:10,079
are more on like structure and historic
elements, which is when they're demoing

606
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,119
the structure that has those stone
columns. Are they demoing the stone

607
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:17,119
columns or are they leaving the stone
columns?

608
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,119
» I believe they're demoing

609
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:20,240
They're really pretty, guys. I don't
know if you've all seen them.

610
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,520
» I've seen them.
>> Um,

611
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:30,880
and then I know like this is like I've
asked this and it's like a hard ask, but

612
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,559
the the Gant house, if there's anything
salvageable from the Gant House, can it

613
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:38,800
be?
And that was the one that was

614
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:44,000
» the little white one that's collapsed
like white in blue. Um like

615
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:47,920
» I'll go back there with the demolition
table if there is anything.

616
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,200
» I don't want anyone to hurt themselves
but if there's

617
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:56,319
» Yeah. As they're you know as they're
going through it if there's anything.

618
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:01,200
» Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Um

619
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:06,319
last question. But it is possible that
they can jump over the fence. Yes, it is

620
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,839
possible.
>> Well, can I just say it is possible for

621
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:16,240
them to go back there now even though we
have the thing and that's why sign there

622
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:20,559
to say so if something happens it's at
their own risk and that kind of protects

623
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:26,319
the town by having all these posted
signs and doing the um and taping up the

624
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:32,160
entrances and the windows. It actually
takes the onus off of the town.

625
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:36,000
» Yeah. to a degree, but I I I'm sensitive
to Council Member Franklin's point that

626
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:39,000
if we're now leaving just a large pile
of

627
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:45,599
» even if it's even if the the town is
protected in one way or another, that

628
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:49,520
doesn't mean anything if
>> woods catch fire and people's houses

629
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,040
catch fire. So, so we want to make sure
that's

630
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,040
» I think the fencing is the is the one
piece.

631
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,079
» Yeah. So may maybe I mean I think it all
comes down to maybe the answer is that

632
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:10,400
we have to pay the $80,000. That's
really the only way to

633
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:15,200
for the liability to be gone. So at the
end of the fiscal year, what I can say

634
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:19,440
is that there were
several things that we didn't end up

635
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:25,440
doing. We didn't end up uh using
$150,000 in reserves for the splash pad.

636
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:31,359
We didn't have to do that. So, it's
quite possible we could take money from

637
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:36,240
there to pay the $80,000, but it's
there's really no way to guarantee

638
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:41,440
guarantee that no one was going to get
back there. And the reason that there

639
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:46,640
are so many,
you know, we had to label it no passing

640
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:53,200
and secure it is because it does reduce
our liability and legit would be able to

641
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:56,400
defend us by by doing that. That's fine.
>> But I think at I think at the end of the

642
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:01,200
day
>> at at the end of the day though, we have

643
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,680
to come up with the solution. When are
we going to

644
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,680
» Yeah.
>> demolish

645
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,400
of the fact that we put these signs in
place and

646
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:21,040
» pictures to document it. So if anything
happens that we do have record of

647
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,040
» Yeah.

648
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:30,000
there every couple of weeks police
department evacue as well. So we are

649
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:34,160
showing that we our due diligence
>> I do want to see you probably know that

650
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,839
» already council
>> Bley

651
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:41,680
» um on the the trashwood issue. So the
the first the first bullet point, the

652
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,119
one that we're looking at, the $29,000
says specifically demolish and remove

653
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:49,599
trash, wood, and debris from existing
structure to the best of our ability to

654
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:53,760
have mechanical means. But then also the
cape in the existing stone, concrete to

655
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:58,880
bottom of existing bill, which I assume
would be taking up that portion that

656
00:53:56,079 --> 00:54:05,040
you're interested in preserving. Um
there is an alternate for 19,000

657
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:09,680
which is alternate option for Mr. bond
cave an existing structure and separate

658
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,760
and pile wood inside existing structure
which we're not going with. And then

659
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,359
there was also uh the second bullet
point tree removal and stacking. Remove

660
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:24,480
and pile tree stumps between existing
house ruin and pond with concrete sides

661
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:29,359
which I also don't think we're doing. So
So I think they're removing the wood.

662
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:33,359
We're not adding any more down wood than
is already there. So just from a

663
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,680
liability standpoint, I don't think
we're creating problems. I mean, there's

664
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,480
still pre-existing problem, but we're
not adding.

665
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:47,559
» Okay. Okay. We can get started.

666
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:58,000
» Yes.
>> Any other questions from Council before?

667
00:54:53,839 --> 00:55:03,599
» Um, not a question comment. Um, green
tree has been good to me for tree

668
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:07,280
removal. Um, I don't know if there's any
tree removal aspects of this that need

669
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:10,000
to be bid out, but we should probably
ask them also.

670
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,160
» Council member,
>> they've been helping throughout the

671
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:18,640
town. They're pretty good for sure. He's
he's in contact already. Um, I just

672
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,960
wanted to see if we could kind of
somehow figure out how to renegotiate

673
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:28,400
this contract to make it more worth, you
know, because if you going to give him

674
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:31,280
two different parts of it, I think he
could give you a better.

675
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,800
» What do you mean?
>> You said you have two different

676
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,720
proposals. One for the track removal and
one for him to break the do the

677
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:44,000
demolition. Um,
>> so the the other one it does is a

678
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:49,839
demolition included in
>> Right. And and wasn't that for us?

679
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:55,760
» That is the roughly close to 90,000,
>> right? But they're doing everything.

680
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,839
» And we may we may need to look at that
because if they're doing the demolition

681
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:04,240
and removing the trash, that may be it
may be easiest for us to pay the 90,000

682
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:09,119
instead of paying what 80,000 and then
29,000.

683
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:13,680
» Well,
would be the 29,

684
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:18,640
» right? But to do to remove everything
except for the things down in the ravine

685
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:25,680
um which we haven't been able to really
investigate yet would be the 90,000.

686
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:30,960
» Right. So that's what I'm saying. So the
if we're comparing the contracts

687
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:34,480
um you got two contracts, one to demo
and one to remove and then the other

688
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:43,440
contract to give you a contract to do
everything. Is that what I'm hearing? So

689
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:48,880
the it's just one to do everything demo
separated

690
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:53,040
demo and then separate separate.
>> Okay.

691
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:57,839
» So I I think the I think the the crux of
the question was is there any cost

692
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:02,799
savings by contracting everything
together versus basically billing it at

693
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:10,799
this point? that I don't know. I know we
it's 29 here and then it will be another

694
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:15,119
60 or 61 to finish the right and that is
I mean

695
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:20,720
that's if we decide to go with this
company or everything with the other

696
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:26,000
companies it was a little higher um and
also

697
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:30,079
fuel prices things like that inflation a
year from now this could be more

698
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,640
» I don't think we're going to wait a
whole year to get this done I think It's

699
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:38,160
imperative that we move forward with
things so that there's no bonfire back

700
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,680
there.
>> And

701
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:46,720
» well, in in regards to that specifically
with how grounds been lately, if I mean,

702
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:51,680
if anything happens back there,
>> I mean, that is a possibility, not just

703
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:58,000
specific to this site.
>> Yeah, that is inherent now. Not even

704
00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:03,040
like it's not exacerbated by
something that's working. I guess that

705
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,960
just makes it a trap.
>> Okay.

706
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,880
» I was just going to think the reason
that we're waiting is because we can put

707
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:16,400
this in line items, but we can't put
90,000 items. So, we have to do a budget

708
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:19,920
adjustment to get the removal and so we
just need to do that.

709
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:24,799
» But we also need to get it down sooner.
Is that Do I understand that correctly?

710
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:30,400
» Yeah. Budgeting.
>> Okay. Uh, with that said, is there a

711
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:36,480
motion
to approve the demolition contract with

712
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:40,000
bigger done right?
>> So moved.

713
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,559
» Is there a second?
>> Go ahead.

714
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:45,599
» All right. Uh, we'll take public
comment. If there's anyone again in the

715
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:48,720
room who would like to provide public
comment, please come to the podium,

716
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:53,599
state your name and streak.
>> If there's anyone online, please raise

717
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:57,240
your hand.
those fans online.

718
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,440
Sorry.

719
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:12,000
Is school lane
have my daughter looking up where the

720
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:18,240
property is located. So, it's right
across the street here. Yes. How visible

721
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:24,640
is that from the road? Think about we
did not remove the debris. So it's the

722
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:29,520
property was taken down the impact of
people's perception of the town seeing

723
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:35,680
that there
um so property right on the road

724
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:40,480
I I'll say from being back to well yeah
so I'll let you answer. Well, the the

725
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:45,040
the act the the entire property, yes,
it's the tree line behind the houses

726
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:51,520
here, but the actual structures are
further uh to the

727
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:55,839
um which you can't see from the road.
>> Well, when you pass by, you can see a

728
00:59:53,200 --> 01:00:01,559
chain. You can see a chain. So, and it
says uh no question. That's it for

729
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,079
» any other public comment online or in
the room.

730
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:13,760
» See anything.
>> Right. Hearing or seeing none. Thank

731
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:18,319
you. Um man, could you please call the
order?

732
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:25,680
» Mayor, I vice mayor. I
>> council member Franklin. Hi. Council

733
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:33,960
» member. Hi. Council member. Hi.
Motion passes. We'll move on to the

734
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:33,960
compact tractor purchase. Director

735
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:56,359
Okay.

736
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:05,280
So um we've uh sort of had this
conversation before we purchased

737
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:13,200
something
uh that has already proved uh to our

738
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:19,839
operation in town. Um, I know we sort of
had a plan to try to minimize the

739
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:27,119
smaller tractor that we have until we
were able to uh move forward with uh the

740
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:32,640
purchase of another tractor. But that at
the moment it just

741
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:39,440
tractor is
it needs to go in the shop currently and

742
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,319
it's not work anymore. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

743
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:51,599
Um
but uh what is attractive about uh this

744
01:01:48,400 --> 01:02:00,280
offer um although we had discussed it
before um is that this can be paid this

745
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,280
will be paid for out of speed.

746
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:09,520
Um so we had uh discussed it with chief.
He's going to look over everything and

747
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:16,640
he is in agreement that we can move
forward uh uh with this purchase under

748
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:21,760
the speed cage title. Um and you know
this is and the [clears throat] pretty

749
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:26,559
much the pl is you know we're going to
use it for sidewalk snow removal and

750
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:35,520
things of that nature which our larger
tractor is typically not able to do.

751
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:41,119
Uh this tractor uh is made specifically
for this type of work um for sidewalks

752
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:47,040
and things like that. It is actually
smaller than the small tractor that we

753
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:51,680
have now. However, it's lifting
capacity. It's more of a heavy unit

754
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:56,118
whereas what we have is more of a
homeowning

755
01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:01,440
sort of deal. Um
[clears throat]

756
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:08,000
uh [snorts] with that I will take any
um we got uh three quotes one from John

757
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:14,799
here one from uh New Holland and this
one from I know the one picture

758
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:18,119
but the one we're actually getting for
this price

759
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,440
is a a

760
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:30,400
So, first question I'm going to ask,
well, I'm going to ask a couple of

761
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:38,520
questions. Me, too. First question I'm
going to ask is time frame for delivery

762
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,520
because we've had we

763
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:52,880
» Okay. And two, uh we've thoroughly
vetted uh that the uses for this would

764
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:56,799
fall under the pedestrian safety
mechanisms for speed camera funding.

765
01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:00,400
» Yes.
>> Started in this end of the table this

766
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:04,559
time. Council member Franklin.
>> Um, so I just want to you've answered

767
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,559
most of my questions. My question is
just like so this will be able to go

768
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,559
onto the property as well.
>> Yes.

769
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:18,160
» Right. I said your own name. So I wanted
to clarify it can go over there and do

770
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,599
the work we need to do over there.
>> All right. You answered the rest of my

771
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:26,079
question. Okay, Brooks.
>> Okay, so you I'm reading here. So this

772
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:31,280
is mainly for the sidewalks like snow
removal, cleaning, I mean sidewalk and

773
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:37,440
trail maintenance, transportational
materials. How much machin can you get

774
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:41,520
in that little small thing
and general municipality maintenance

775
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,000
support? Okay. But we don't have a
tractor like this now. You said it's a

776
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:52,440
bigger one.
>> The the one we have is essentially big.

777
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,440
How long has it been dead?

778
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:05,760
» But and and Okay. So, we have nothing
that would do the job that we have now.

779
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:14,640
We don't anything to replace it.
this what this does specifically

780
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:20,480
you guys just recently
but that by no means can get on the

781
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:25,039
sidewalk and do removals um if we have
another ice storm like we had this year

782
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:29,760
uh being able to actually pick up and
move the snow was invaluable you could

783
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,079
not push
>> that's that's small

784
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:38,160
» yeah I think I think if I remember
correctly I remember seeing you I think

785
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:41,200
this this ice probably were killed.
>> See remember seeing you out there

786
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:47,920
working
working hard. So um you know hopefully

787
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:52,480
that was a once a year storm but not
this would be useful to get it off the

788
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:56,480
ground before it turns into ice again.
Did you have any other questions Vice

789
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,799
Mayor Brooks? Okay, Council. Uh
>> I was just looking up the specs on it. I

790
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:10,079
was trying to find the width. Looks like
it's about 45 in wide.

791
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:17,720
It is. It comes with two different u
um but I verified the one that we're

792
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:17,720
getting is uh what is it?

793
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:27,359
Say it 48. I believe it's 48. It's
either 48 or 49. I mean it's a little

794
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:31,000
bit wider than the tell. So I just
sidewalk for about

795
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:39,680
this can be outfitted with the actual
plat.

796
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:46,359
» That was the other question like how
many devices it rated for

797
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:46,359
specifically.

798
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,520
» Any other questions? Council Berkeley.
Council member L.

799
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,839
» Thank you chief.

800
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:07,440
So that's I have no objections yet.
>> Okay,

801
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:10,319
» with that, do I have a to approve the
compact tractor purchase?

802
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,839
» So move.
>> Second.

803
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,240
» A second.
>> Second.

804
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,960
» All right, we'll public comment. Again,
if there's any public comment in the

805
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:21,200
room, please step to the podium, name
and street. Anybody online, please raise

806
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,000
your hand.
We'll

807
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,000
» raise hands online.

808
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:40,119
tracker be available not by us but by
public work or like

809
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,799
» it would be on town sidewalks town right

810
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:53,799
there.
All right.

811
01:07:56,111 --> 01:07:58,131
[laughter]

812
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:06,319
» Okay. Um, let's call the roller.
>> Mayor Cver,

813
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:09,319
» Vice Mayor Call the RO, Vice Mayor
Brooks.

814
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,640
like to come back to you.
>> Please come back to you.

815
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,120
» Council member,
>> hi.

816
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,120
» Council member,
>> hi.

817
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:32,359
» Council member,
>> hi.

818
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:32,359
» Vice Mayor Brook.

819
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,880
» Oh my.

820
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:58,679
And the and the final price is 26,000.
>> Yes.

821
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,679
» The 330 344.

822
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:09,199
» And what's the expected longevity?
>> Um with uh factors and things like that

823
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:14,640
bumped up to about 10 years as opposed
to seven years.

824
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:20,080
The one that we have currently, I
believe, is from 2005,

825
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:24,000
I believe.
>> And it broke down this year.

826
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:26,880
» Broke down a few times.
>> Yeah.

827
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:31,239
We delivered this far.
>> We paid to fix it a number of times.

828
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:35,159
» Because I know

829
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:55,880
verbal response.

830
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:09,800
» Oh my goodness. Um,
and it's coming from the pedestrian u

831
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,800
camera.

832
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,640
Okay. All right. But this is

833
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:24,400
still, but it's a
>> care. It's just, you know,

834
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,560
» they need it. How they going to get
those jobs?

835
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:34,719
» All right. Motion patches.
>> We'll move on to business item 6F,

836
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:40,080
staff's response to unhoused community
town. uh chief is not here this evening

837
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:44,719
but he provided a memorandum who's going
to

838
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:50,000
» but uh
well Darn do you mind speaking to what

839
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:54,928
you've done with on on the public works
side with the with addressing some of

840
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:59,600
these complaints as well
[clears throat] yes um from from our

841
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:06,719
perspectives
in the meantime while we will make the

842
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,719
convention that we need to

843
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:14,880
going to have actually
added that into their litter collection

844
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:21,280
rotation. Uh simply because for one
portion of it um although it is county

845
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:26,480
property uh one portion of it really
start to but against the sidewalk and is

846
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:31,360
extremely unattractive. So we go ahead
and take care of it. But um as far as

847
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:38,159
making contact with the county, reached
out to uh OPS,

848
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:44,719
they were unable to sort of point me in
the right direction of who can sort of

849
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:50,159
make the call to uh try to pass the
individual or ban the individual from

850
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:56,960
the property. Um they also stated that
they have a

851
01:11:52,640 --> 01:12:04,159
a real estate division who sort of
maintains the county's properties. Um I

852
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:09,040
ask for that number as far as uh who can
actually come out and clean the

853
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:16,640
properties because they see it every
day. However, they don't. Um they either

854
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:21,199
couldn't or chose not to give me the
numbers. saying that we would not be

855
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:28,080
able to direct them to
>> I have a number in the name. Um I also

856
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:34,159
went over to the circuit court had
building today. Um and was and had to

857
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:40,560
you know beat the thumb on the ground
the property and cleaning it up with uh

858
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:46,239
and part of getting banned of trespass
and they asked me to come back tomorrow

859
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:51,840
and the uh corporal who actually is in
charge of that fight is there. Don't

860
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:56,960
know my plan to move forward with that
tomorrow.

861
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:59,960
» I put an account 311 request for them to
come.

862
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:07,520
» No, no, I think I think that's
>> Oh, you go with

863
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:13,040
that.
>> All right. So, you know, the

864
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:17,199
the the issue with the unhoused
community, as everybody knows, is pretty

865
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,960
complicated. And this isn't just it
didn't just start this year. I think uh

866
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:25,120
when council member Franklin was mayor,
there were some concerns as well and

867
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:28,960
when we were trying to work with our
stakeholders with the with the county to

868
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:34,880
try to get the services that these folks
needed. Um I think that um there were

869
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:39,040
sort of two things going on with the
unhouse community for a while and a part

870
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:43,280
of it was uh people were being released
from the jail showing up in town but

871
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:49,520
they were sort of transient and then
they leave. Right now we have two two

872
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:54,560
people that are here constantly
>> that are you know causing issues with

873
01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:01,120
with respect to trash and things like
that. Um we're getting complaints

874
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:05,679
probably 5 to 10 a week from businesses
residents as well. So what the police

875
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:10,960
department has done and obvious you know
the police department can't go out put

876
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:14,880
them in a car and take somewhere else.
Um but what they have done is they've

877
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:19,440
tried to
uh get them the services that that that

878
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:24,400
that that they've needed. Um they've
worked with the they've worked directly

879
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:29,199
with the county. Uh just recently um a
county worker came out and engaged with

880
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:33,600
the with one of the individuals and they
did accept some county services. Um the

881
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:38,400
other individual still doesn't want to
accept county services. Of course, you

882
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:44,400
know, you don't want to arrest your way
out of things, but you know, a part of a

883
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:51,199
part of what's keeping some of the folks
around is that the the property owners

884
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:55,760
are allowing them to to stay there. Um,
now they had been staying in the post

885
01:14:53,600 --> 01:15:00,800
office. The post office was open for 24
hours and then the post office limited

886
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:06,320
their lobby hours from 6:00 to 8. So,
that helped there. Um, as Darnell had

887
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:12,320
mentioned, you know, it may come down to
the county issuing a no trespass order

888
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:17,520
so that they don't have that place to
go. But ultimately the town, I mean,

889
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:22,159
it's not just
we would like them to get the services

890
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:27,120
that they need, but we also have have to
recognize that they are having an impact

891
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:32,560
downtown. Um, so we've done basically
all that we can do on on on the social

892
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:37,840
work side of things. Um, and we we will
continue to work with with the county to

893
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:43,120
try to address it. Um, but again, one of
the individuals has accepted some some

894
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:46,880
services and we've also reached out to I
think one of the individuals reached out

895
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:53,040
to to the mayor and I think I got an
email as well and um we tried to direct

896
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:57,520
this person
to the services that they needed on the

897
01:15:54,640 --> 01:16:04,080
federal and state level as well.
Yeah, I think I think for for me I think

898
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:07,920
the the conversation is around one
being unhoused is not illegal in the

899
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:11,040
town of Upper Marboro and there's no
suggestion or at least I'm not I'm not

900
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:17,040
entertaining [clears throat] a
suggestion that we make it illegal in in

901
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:20,400
the town. Um but there are
circumstances that have arose that need

902
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:24,560
to be addressed as well. So I think what
we're doing in terms of the police, in

903
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:27,679
terms of public works, in terms of you,
town manager Anderson with general

904
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:32,320
government continuing to engage with the
county to make sure that the services uh

905
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:36,159
are at least offered even if you know
constantly consistently. Clearly it work

906
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:39,280
for at least one individual and we just
going to we're just going to have to

907
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:45,440
continue to to push that. The other
piece of it too is now this may sound a

908
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:50,800
little bit harsh but there there there
are needs being met by individuals that

909
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:55,679
are causing them to not have to take up
services. So we have to be cognizant of

910
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:59,360
as a community as well. Yes, we want to
be helpful. Yes, we want to, you know,

911
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,719
we don't want to see any of our any of
our neighbors or fellow humans in need,

912
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:06,719
but we also need to make sure that we're
redirecting them to the places that can

913
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:12,400
actually provide professional services
so that they are in those spaces and

914
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:16,880
not, [snorts] you know, creating,
for lack of a better term, nuisances or

915
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:20,400
messes or things of that nature. Uh in
addition to that,

916
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,000
in places where they're on county
property, we have to be engaged with the

917
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:27,440
county to make sure that they are taking
the responsibility and cleaning up those

918
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:33,679
areas or doing whatever is necessary to
make sure that doesn't continue to um

919
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:37,600
provide uh negative impacts on the town.
So, I think those all of those things

920
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:42,719
are things that we are we are doing and
have to continue to do in order to try

921
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:48,560
to make this situation um keep it keep
it from from expanding. Um, that's my

922
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,760
perspective on it and I'll, you know,
I'll leave it open to the to the rest of

923
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:56,239
the council if there are suggestions or
thoughts that we should entertain. But I

924
01:17:53,679 --> 01:18:00,640
think that's I think that's where we are
with it. Vice May.

925
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:06,960
» Yeah. I I know it's extremely difficult
in dealing in this situation, but

926
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:12,320
we've got to do something because I walk
and walk home every day.

927
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:17,040
Um,
and I get bombarded.

928
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:21,040
What can you do? The I'm People are
coming up to me showing me pictures. Why

929
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:26,719
aren't you guys picking up this trash?
I'm like, trash is not picked up by us.

930
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:32,800
It's picked up by the county. And you
you someone will come out and pick up

931
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:38,640
the trash. The next day it's back again.
Food, tra. Me personally, I had seen one

932
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:45,120
individual
defecate by that side

933
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:51,360
um metal thing and it's human feces is
still sitting there and it's an eyes

934
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:55,760
sore. You know, people walk throughout
the town daily going to the courthouse,

935
01:18:54,080 --> 01:19:02,120
going to in the county administration
building, going to the post office or

936
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,120
wherever.

937
01:19:02,254 --> 01:19:06,960
» [clears throat]
>> One day this gentleman just started

938
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:10,800
yelling and screaming. I mean, I don't
know what happened. Just started yelling

939
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:15,040
and screaming
and it's just and the sheriff's

940
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:19,120
department was talking. It's like maybe
we can I don't know get involved with

941
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:24,560
them and see what help we can work
together with. But it it is it's

942
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:29,120
becoming increasingly bad. You know, we
have like uh we had the ceremony

943
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:33,440
recently and the one individual just
came right in and started picking up the

944
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:39,440
food that was that was supposed to be
given out to the people that was coming

945
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:43,760
for the ceremony. And uh it it's just an
eyes sore and we because you when when

946
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:49,199
Mayor Frank was mayor, I think you guys
offered them some help to take them to

947
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:53,440
the shelter. They did fine. This is this
is daily. This has been going on for

948
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:56,320
like a year and a half now. I do believe
we did reach out to the sheriff's,

949
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,719
right? Or we are going to reach out to
the sheriff's.

950
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,920
» Yes. So today we just contact the
sheriff. Yes. Good.

951
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:04,880
» Because I spoke to the one of the
sheriff and they were like, you know,

952
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,239
and they know this individual by name
and they were like, well, maybe we can,

953
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:13,840
you know, work together with something.
I said, well, sure, I can bring it to

954
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:18,880
the the board, but this is
>> right. But they were, I guess, so we are

955
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:22,719
planning on working working closely.
But I don't think anyone has gone and

956
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,960
pick up them human feces yet.
>> That's on private That's on county

957
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,960
property.
>> It's on county property and it's that

958
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:33,440
bush where they keep their stuff in
their trash bag and that they used to

959
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:36,960
pick that up but that hasn't been moved.
>> I mean you walk past five trash cans

960
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,960
with your food and you just leave it
there and you there's like five tracks

961
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:45,920
and they don't throw it in the trash.
>> So I think one of the pieces with that

962
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:50,000
too is notifying the county when these
things happen. So whether it's a 311

963
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:54,560
call or whatever it is, I think we have
to um all and not just us as a board,

964
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:58,880
but anyone who sees this have have to be
diligent in reporting this to the county

965
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:03,840
so that they have enough it shouldn't
take more than one, but so that they

966
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:06,080
have enough notifications to act on
cleaning up those spaces that's on their

967
01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:09,840
property.
>> And today you did call 311 today and you

968
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,960
did your first 311.
>> Yes. Yes,

969
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:17,440
» I actually did it through the app. That
way I could send pictures

970
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:21,520
as well.
>> And what I'd like to do, I'm I'm sure

971
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:24,719
311 has a database that maintains all of
these tickets and all of these calls

972
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,000
that happen, but I'd like for us to if
we're notified of anything for us to

973
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:33,320
keep track of, you know, the number of
calls that we're making to them on these

974
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,320
issues as well.

975
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:45,199
» Um, so you were very diplomatic. I'll
try to be

976
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:49,199
» so you know there is one individual who
will not accept help. There have been

977
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:53,760
other people who are experiencing
homelessness in town. We can connect

978
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:57,520
with them. We can get them to services
and we can help them move on. That's

979
01:21:55,199 --> 01:22:01,360
been my experience.
When

980
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:06,880
you go by this individual and your heart
says, "Oh, I need to give them money or

981
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:11,600
I need to give them food because they
need it." I promise you that person has

982
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:19,920
plenty. Plenty. And that's where the
trash is coming from. Um, and that is

983
01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:23,920
the barrier to that individual receiving
the services they need. There is a

984
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:28,960
mental health issue. the county, the
sheriff's office, the county police, the

985
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:36,560
county homelessness division, everybody
knows, but you're getting what you need

986
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:39,840
without having to do anything. Then
you're not going to be able to build

987
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:46,400
that relationship with people who can
help you. So, uh, who watches our

988
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:51,040
meetings, right? But we're all part of
the solution. And part of that solution

989
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,400
is saying, I'm actually going to call
the county and ask the county to reach

990
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:59,440
out to this person and help us because
that's where that person gets the help

991
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:05,120
they need. And then I would say on the
311, what I did find is I know it's

992
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:10,000
annoying, right? But Vice Mayor Brooke,
like as people say to you, say report it

993
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:16,239
on 311 now because the more of us that
reported on 311, responsive 311 is.

994
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:23,960
That's just like something I experienced
over years. So

995
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,960
to be a team effort is my statement.

996
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:32,960
» Well, we'll start council. Um, so it's
it's been well more than a year and a

997
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:38,480
half since since he's been around
because he I mean it may be a year and a

998
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:44,639
half in town, but he was usually over at
the Exxon near the Amish market

999
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:51,520
um for since before the pandemic. And
then during the pandemic, he moved down

1000
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:58,800
to uh near the Dunkin Donuts on 301 in
Marbor Pike. and then at some point when

1001
01:23:54,880 --> 01:24:02,120
he relocated to here, um
I believe

1002
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:11,280
the there's a there's a female in town
who is more discreet.

1003
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:15,679
Um I don't know fully what her situation
is, but she's been known to sleep in the

1004
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:21,280
library.
Um but takes her stuff with her and

1005
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:27,120
doesn't leave piles of trash. So, and
she's been

1006
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:31,600
I want to say on and off for a decade at
least.

1007
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:35,679
» It's It's been a long time. Um the
library staff probably have more info or

1008
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:40,000
or maybe it's two different women
because I usually see them sleeping and

1009
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:46,080
covered up. I'm not sure if it's the
same person over the years.

1010
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:52,880
I just wanted to say that the gentleman
that we were talking about uh just

1011
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:57,440
recently um I saw them sleep over there
where we have the Christmas party um

1012
01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:02,400
they were sleep on the grass right in
the front and [snorts] their whole

1013
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:06,719
bottom was out and it was facing
it was facing the street. Mhm.

1014
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:09,199
» And I said the next time cuz I was so
shocked. I was driving by. I said the

1015
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:14,639
next time I'm going to take a picture
and send it to the county because that's

1016
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:21,679
indecent exposure. And um he was sleep.
But the point was that he deliberately

1017
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:27,760
was facing,
you know, the part that was uncovered

1018
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:31,440
and then directed of Main Street.
And it was right right in the grass

1019
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:36,400
right here on the front. So it's not
like he can be missed. So, we really

1020
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:43,120
need to um start picking pictures if we
see things like that because that can

1021
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:47,280
probably help with um removal
permanently.

1022
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:51,760
» I have pictures of the human. Sorry
everybody. I don't mean be to mean to be

1023
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:56,080
gross, but I took pictures of the human
feces. I feel took a picture when he was

1024
01:25:53,679 --> 01:26:01,679
doing it, but I didn't want to get
yelled at. But

1025
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:06,400
» so just because the the these two
behaviors that have been described, I

1026
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:11,600
like my husband's a therapist and he
does emergency petition people. I don't

1027
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:17,920
know the exact requirements, but I think
being unclothed can lead to an emergency

1028
01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:23,520
petition. So I think if you call when
you see that say you call I guess you

1029
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:29,120
would call 911 or 988 and say that this
person is out on the street with their

1030
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:33,920
oxide hanging out then that might be
able to help them because it's mental

1031
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:38,800
health services that this person needs
right and so when we see something that

1032
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:46,000
can trigger the mental health services
then that may be what needs to happen um

1033
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:49,199
I don't know I'm not the therapist. Greg
is, but I know that some of that is

1034
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:54,239
related to
>> So, it sounds like part of the other

1035
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:59,440
part too is making sure that
we all need everyone in town knows the

1036
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,800
the correct numbers and resources to
call as well as there are these things

1037
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:07,840
that you know things like this that that
we're seeing who's the correct number to

1038
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:13,679
call if it's 311 is it 98 or whatever.
So maybe there's

1039
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:18,480
988 the non-emergency uh
um but maybe we can I'm sorry

1040
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:22,239
um
>> wait sorry the 988 is mental health

1041
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:26,800
» oh okay
>> u but maybe there's some education that

1042
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:30,480
we could put out [clears throat]
just letting people know what the

1043
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:34,440
numbers are
so more educated

1044
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,520
okay I don't know.
>> Does the county still have a municipal

1045
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:45,040
leaison? I found the website and they
mentioned that the office still exists,

1046
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:52,280
but they don't give a name because we
used to have somebody that we could call

1047
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,280
for county services if we were having

1048
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:03,600
» I'm amazed by that brutal. They made it
through that winter.

1049
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:08,320
» They were probably to be in the post
office. That's probably why the the six

1050
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:12,320
rules triggered.
>> I don't know. I seen them like on the

1051
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:15,760
street
>> under the post like in the middle of the

1052
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:19,920
snowstorm just sitting there and the
snow was just falling just sitting there

1053
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:27,400
in the days and I said that can't be
can't be any

1054
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:27,400
seen camp out in the underway.

1055
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,639
» Okay.
>> Okay.

1056
01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:35,440
» All right.
So

1057
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:39,840
» any other comments on that discussion? I
think we, you know, we do some education

1058
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:44,800
here in the town. We will if if we if
you see something, say something. You

1059
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:48,560
know, that old adage uh and and we'll
keep track of any of the calls that

1060
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:53,440
we're making to 311 or the other.
>> Right. And I'm going to continue to the

1061
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:58,480
executive
on the county executive's office as

1062
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:04,560
well. I guess some closure on the county
property side.

1063
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:09,040
» All right. Um we'll move on to general
public comment. Uh so this is for

1064
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:12,880
anything not on tonight's agenda. If you
have a general public comment uh to

1065
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:16,560
make, please step to the podium, state
your name and street uh and we'll give

1066
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:24,120
you the opportunity to speak. And then
also if you're online please raise your

1067
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,120
hand um for the same

1068
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:32,560
going once.
>> Going twice.

1069
01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:37,360
Okay.
Um previously mentioned we'll do the

1070
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:44,840
preliminary approval of next meeting
agenda here now. And so the items that I

1071
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,840
have

1072
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:52,360
I will I will reopen the general

1073
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,080
am

1074
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:13,040
sorry late noted but there's anything
you wanted to bring to ask about or

1075
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:15,520
might not know anything so just want to
go

1076
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:20,239
Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

1077
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:23,639
» Anyone else in this reopened general
public comment?

1078
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:33,920
» Um, nothing online. All right. The items
that I have that I'm tracking uh on

1079
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:39,440
this, you know, rolling agenda that
exists somewhere or at least moving

1080
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:45,077
forward. So, one of them is
um as we're talking about the potent the

1081
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:50,080
opening of the splash pad, there have
[clears throat] been some discussion

1082
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:53,280
about um providing an official name for
the splash pad. So, I'd actually like

1083
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:57,679
for us to have that discussion on what
we uh think uh an appropriate name for

1084
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:01,600
the splash pad would be if it's named in
honor of someone or the other. So, what

1085
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:06,400
I asked council or town manager Anderson
previously was uh to draft a resolution

1086
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:11,040
for us. And what I would like us to do
as a count as a council is to in this

1087
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:16,480
next period before the next meeting just
submit uh potential names for us to

1088
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:20,880
discuss at the meeting on the 24th and
then we'll make a decision there. Uh so

1089
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:26,639
resolution for naming a playground a
splash pad. Uh codification we need to

1090
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:32,400
reopen that discussion.
Um so we'll put that on there. And then

1091
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:37,199
we talked previously um one thing that's
languishing out there is the vacant

1092
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:41,280
property ordinance and I think part of
that was

1093
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:45,120
um
town manager Anderson you kind of

1094
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:49,120
jenning up what the oper what the
operational aspects and costs would be

1095
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:53,040
and I know you've had a number of items
on your plate. Is that something that

1096
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:55,760
would be available by the next meeting?
If not, let's set a let's set a date for

1097
01:31:54,639 --> 01:32:01,600
when we can actually
>> I don't want to even down, but probably

1098
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:05,960
not for the next meeting.
>> Is the August 11th session?

1099
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:13,280
» Well, that's the public hearing.
>> Since I'm the one pushing this, can I

1100
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:18,880
make a suggestion? Sure.
>> Right now, Council

1101
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:27,280
Manager Anderson is under staff. We need
to have this adopted before the next

1102
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:34,520
budget season, but can we say 30 days
after hiring but October at the latest?

1103
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,520
Is that reasonable? Unreasonable.

1104
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:43,520
» All right. Solutions. I love them. Um,
well, that's what I'm tracking so far.

1105
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:47,520
Are there other items? So in that case
we just have the resolution for the

1106
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,760
naming of splash pad codification
reopening that discussion. Are there

1107
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:56,800
other items?
>> It's possible that we would be we have

1108
01:32:52,800 --> 01:33:01,360
the um folks with the um the formal
people that have submitted RFPs. It's

1109
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:07,159
possible they could
present

1110
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:07,159
» RFP presentation. Okay.

1111
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:13,600
» Are there other items for council
members? This is this is for the meeting

1112
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:18,679
in two weeks. I have one
about talking about a new HR firm.

1113
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:33,320
» All right.

1114
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:39,760
Say that again.
>> Yeah. Talking about a new HR firm. The

1115
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:45,679
possibility of bringing on a new HR
firm.

1116
01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:48,239
Oh, okay. I didn't know we
>> don't have one.

1117
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,800
» We don't have one.
>> We have a staff member handling HR

1118
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,120
response.
>> Oh,

1119
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:57,760
generalist.
>> Yeah, HR generalist,

1120
01:33:54,159 --> 01:34:01,280
» but we need a we need a new HR.
>> Okay.

1121
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:04,000
Anything else?
All right.

1122
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:08,719
» Elections, but I don't think we have
enough stuff next month. So,

1123
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:14,159
» yeah. So, elections is still on the
docket for later. uh in the fall. So now

1124
01:34:12,639 --> 01:34:17,920
resolution for naming us playground a
splash bag codification RFP

1125
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:21,480
presentations new HR firm are the four
items that I have.

1126
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:31,400
All right.
>> I'm just [laughter]

1127
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,400
join.

1128
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:44,719
» I think probably in the near future we
really need to discuss like future

1129
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:49,440
annexations with the annexation plan. So
that may not go on the 28th. It's

1130
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:53,360
probably something for a work session.
But I think it's if we're going to

1131
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:59,120
continue to annex, which way are we
going? What do we do? We are we looking

1132
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:03,760
for population, business,
uh what are the issues that we should

1133
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:08,320
address that are affecting the resident
that are actually carrying out the

1134
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:10,719
public meeting and things like that.
>> I don't know if it'll be on the next

1135
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:19,400
agenda, but that's something I would
like you to add to the building agenda

1136
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:19,400
within the next few. Absolutely.

1137
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:25,000
Okay,
>> bigger and better.

1138
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:32,719
» Next item uh says motion to go into
close session. Does someone have a

1139
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:38,080
motion to go into close session?
>> Move

1140
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:43,040
like to move to go into close session
pursuant to Maryland annotated code

1141
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:46,840
general provisions article 3-305B1
subject of section

1142
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:55,280
Okay. of this subsection. The public
body may meet in close session to

1143
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:58,080
adjourn or an open session or close
session to consider the appointment,

1144
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:01,520
employment, assignment, promotion,
discipline, demotion, compensation,

1145
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:05,280
removal, resignation or performance the
valuation of appointee, employee or

1146
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:09,040
official over whom this has jurisdiction
or any other personnel matter that

1147
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:13,679
affects one or more specific
individuals.

1148
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:16,679
My motion. Is there a [snorts] second?
Second.

1149
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:27,000
to call the role. May
>> I'm going to pass and

1150
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:27,000
vice mayor

1151
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:33,400
motion to go into close session by this
right here.

1152
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:47,920
I
>> I

1153
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:55,159
council
>> I council member

1154
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:55,159
» I

1155
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:03,119
» This is to go into close session. Yeah,
>> I changed my vote.

1156
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:07,360
» Well, you're you're voting now. So, you
just made the

1157
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:10,360
» Oh, okay. I made the motion, but Yeah.
No.

1158
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:17,520
» Yes.
We have number 32. So we are now in

1159
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:21,600
close session again. We will not be
coming back into open session. So we're

1160
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,360
adjouring the open portion of the
meeting.

1161
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:27,920
» Okay.
>> Thank you all for coming.

1162
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:33,320
» Minutes. I'll be the I guess I'll be the
minute person and give me five minutes.

1163
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,320
» Y.

1164
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:38,719
» Yeah.
>> Yes.

1165
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,719
» Mr.

1166
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:45,280
would be worth having any of the council
members