All right. Seven. >> Hello.
» 7:03 p.m. Uh, I will call. Yeah. >> Call this meeting to order. This meeting
of the Marboro Town Council. Uh, town manager Anderson. You're
settled. Could you please vote? Mayor B here. Vice Mayor Bruce
believe he's going to be late this evening. Council
» Frank >> here.
» Council member Berkeley >> present.
Attorney Ruff is not going to be in. She's not going to be here tonight. And
Chief Bur is also off tonight. All right, we will stand
also.
All right, we'll do uh review of the agenda. Uh we'll I'll read into the
record the approval of the close session meeting minutes from the previous two
close sessions. Our business item, our mix and mingle parking agreement, uh
pocket park RP response and update strategic plan RFP response and update
demolition and debris removal of 5510. uh compact tractor purchase staff's
response to the unhoused community. We'll do a general public comment. Um
motion to go into close session preliminary approval of next agenda. I
have two uh adjustments I would like to make if there aren't any objections. One
of them um as it's become tradition, I have a proclamation to read for this
month. Uh so I'd like to do that before I read the approval of the close session
minutes. And then two, um, just to make sure that we're clear [clears throat]
that we're not that if we move into close session, we won't be coming back
into open session, I want to move the preliminary approval of next meeting
agenda before that motion. Uh, and then make it clear that uh, if we do go into
close session, that will be an adjournment uh, from close session. We
won't be coming back into session. Any objections to those two changes? All
right.
So July 2026 is disability pride month. Uh
as such I have a proclamation to read here. Whereas disability pride month is
observed each July to commemorate the enactment of the Americans with
Disabilities Act ADA on July 26th, 1990. Landmark civil rights legislation that
affirms the rights of individuals with disabilities and advances equal
opportunity, accessibility, independent living, and full participation in
society. And whereas the town of Upper Marbor recognizes that people with
disabilities are integral members of our community whose leadership, innovation,
service, and lived experiences strengthen our neighborhoods,
businesses, schools, and civic institutions. And whereas disability
pride month celebrates disability as a valued aspect of human diversity and
encourages all people to embrace a community where every individual is
treated with dignity, respect, and the opportunity to contribute their unique
talents. And whereas the town of Okamarbor is committed to fostering a
welcoming and accessible community by promoting equitable access to public
spaces, programs, services, and civic engagement, ensuring that all residents
and visitors have the opportunity to fully participate in community life. And
whereas we celebrate disability pride month, we reaffirm our shared
responsibility to remove barriers, challenge stereotypes, expand
opportunities, and build a more inclusive future where every person is
empowered to thrive and reach their full potential. Now therefore, I, Charles
Colbert, mayor of the town of Upper Marboro, do hereby proclaim the month of
July 2026 as disability pride month in the town of Upper Morboro and encourage
all residents to recognize the achievements and contributions of
individuals with disabilities, celebrate the richness of our diverse community,
and join in creating a town where accessibility, inclusion, and belonging
are woven into every aspect of community life.
» Very much. >> Thank you. We'll move on to
the reading and approval of the close session minutes.
You all are getting a lot of story time for me this evening.
Close
session summary from June 9th, 2026. Uh at 7:45 p.m. Town Hall, uh the town
council moved to go into close session under annotated code 3-305B7
to consult with council to obtain legal advice. Those who move to go into close
session, uh, the motion was made by council member Lot, seconded by council
member Urklay. Uh, all members present, including myself, Vice Mayor Brooks, and
Council Member Sarah Franklin, voted in the affirmative. uh unanimous vote of
elected officials. Those in attendance were uh myself, Vice Mayor Derek Brooks,
Council Member Sarah Franklin, Council Member Joe Erkley, and Council Member
Karen Lot, as well as town manager Clayton Anderson, public works director
Darnell Bond, police chief David Bur, and town attorney Karen Ruff. Uh no
votes were taken and the topics discussed were anouar town to be
renegotiated to a new agreement to be entered into on the automatic renewal
date of the current agreement. Uh the meeting adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Okay. And then
close session notes from June 30th, 2026. The time is 7:48 p.m. here at town
hall. Uh the town council moved to go into close session under annotated code
3-305B1D7.
Uh it's long.
» It is long. Let's see where it is. To discuss the appointment, employment,
assignment, promotion, discipline, demotion, compensation, removal,
resignation, or performance evaluation of appointees, employees or officials
over whom this public body has jurisdiction, any other personnel matter
that affects one or more specific individuals. And uh section four, to
consider a matter that concerns the proposal for a business or industrial
organization to locate, expand, or remain in the state.
The motion was made by council member Lach. It was seconded by Vice Mayor
Brooks. Uh all members present including myself, council member Franklin, and
council member uh voted in the affirmative. So unanimous vote of
elected officials. Again, those in attendance were myself, Vice Mayor
Brooks, Council Member Franklin, Council Member Urkeley, Council Member Watt,
Town Manager Anderson, Town attorney Ruff, uh and Legit Representative Matt
Peters. No vote were taken. The topics discussed were that legit presented and
discussed with council professional conduct governance of working
relationships. Um after that discussion that Peters left and the council
discussed a business request regarding a parking agreement. The meeting was
adjourned at 9:50 p.m. require a motion to approve there. A
motion to approve the closed session minutes from June 30th.
» Second. >> All right. That was motioned by council
member, seconded by council member Franklin. Town manager Anderson, if you
could call the role. >> Mayor,
» I vice mayor.
» Council member, >> I
» we will move on to business item 6A, mixing parking agreement. Town manager
Anderson. >> All right.
Good evening member audience. Um just a bit of background on the parking
agreement for with Mixle. Um they are a business that wants to move to downtown
upper Mboro. It's a part of their development. Uh they need 20 off street
parking spaces. Uh originally we thought it was 39 but it was recalculated is
down to 20 now. We do have 20 parking spaces at the Church Street parking lot
at 14525 Church Street. Um I spoke with the uh owner Licon Engle and we
negotiated the terms of of the agreement to be a 10-year term which is required
by Deepine. We're giving them 20 spaces at a fee of $500 per month beginning in
uh January of 2028. Um
after January 2028 uh the rental fee can increase up to 10%
every year after that. Um after the 10 years there there will be an opportunity
to renegotiate on the 5year 5year terms after that. Just to put it in
perspective with respect to revenue, uh, from January 2025 to June of 2026,
Church Street parking lot only generated $568 in revenue over 8month period of
time. So, the town isn't necessarily losing any significant revenue there.
» Okay. Are there any questions from council members on the parking lease
agreement? a question for my comment. Um, I just
realized that you said 10year with two additional five years, but the term
actually says that it ends on 2031. So, it's only a fiveyear with two fiveear
extensions, but it does say the period is 10 years commencing in 2026 and
ending in 2031. So, one of those needs to be changed.
» Yeah. 2036. 2080 should be 2036. >> Okay. And also I in in reading in our
paper I caught a typo in in one uh look at parking lease premises and rent
part four it says together a with the right I think just a needs stricken
Franklin >> no comments
do we have Vice Mayor Brooks
Um, hearing no other comments,
do we have a motion to approve the mix and mingle parking agreement with the
changes noted by council member Urklay to update the term to 2020 2036 and
remove the errant aid in section one. >> All right. Uh, council member Franklin
moved. Do I have a second? >> Second.
» Okay. >> Uh, we'll take public comment. If there
are, uh, members of the public in the audience that would like to speak,
please come up to the podium. Uh, provide your name and street.
We'll give you an opportunity to speak on this agenda item. If there are
members online, please raise your hand and we will go to you.
Hearing none. Seeing none, uh, we'll move on to the vote. Council or town
manager Anderson, please call the role. >> I,
Council Member Brandon, >> I.
» Council member Bley. >> Hi.
» Council member. >> Motion passes.
All right, we will move on to Pocket Park RFP response update. Town manager.
So, what I wanted to do tonight is not really get into the I guess the meat and
potatoes of the RFPs and the responses, but I just wanted to just give a quick
overview of where we are there and then um ask that we come back at the at the
next meeting to actually discuss the RFPs for the pocket park. Um the sort of
services that we that we wanted was site analysis and planning. Um, this is a
very important part of our downtown. So, I wanted to make sure, you know, we had
we had talked about staff planning it out, but I thought that it would be
better to have a cons and actually do that because this is a project that is
going to affect downtown for many years to come. So, um, I wanted a a
professional to take a look at it, to analyze it, um, to plan it, come up with
some ideas that would benefit the business community and the residents as
well, and bring folks in into downtown. Um, we also wanted, uh, you know, we we
were sort of struggling with with SAG. We be struggling what's the concept? Um,
what are what are the designs going going to be? And I think that it's a
much easier and natural thing for a consultant to come in and come up those
things as well. Um the public engagement part now that is something takes you
know a lot of time and I think the town has struggled a bit with public
engagement and again I thought that a professional consultant may have a fresh
a fresh approach to it and really get the businesses involved and the
residents as as well. Um they with respect to the con to the
construction part um we would like them to be able to provide us with resources
so that we can choose construction consultants that would be
uh economically feasible and at the same
time uh dependable as well. So that's just a basic overview of what the um we
had in the RFP and what I think the discussion should be um as we talk about
this more um moving forward. But I do think that the community engagement is
extremely important.
» So this discussion is the RFP in here is that
» No, you all you will all get it please. >> Okay. I did I did attach them to the
email, but they were they were bad copies. The scanner, they just weren't
good. So, um you'll have those after the meeting. They're actually in the back
right now. >> So, uh again, this isn't not voting on
um this topic tonight. This is just a discussion looking at the project
objectives, scope of service, and the statements manager Anderson has made. Um
I'll just start going down the down the line here. Uh if we have any questions,
I'll start with you know, you just you just stopped in. Vice May. So, Council
Member Franklin, do you have any questions?
» I guess my only question is since it looked like we only got one or two per
for the RFP is, is it possible for us to like keep it open until for like maybe
two weeks or two weeks close to the meeting just to see if anything else
comes in before the next meeting? cuz I know it's nice to have three if we can.
Um, that's my only comment. >> Well, that was a thought I think Darnell
and I had as well. We were looking there was a debate whether or not we should
extend it, right? Because we only had the the two and uh it's not that these
two are are bad, but we did we did want to see what else was out there.
» Just Yeah, >> I don't have I don't I don't see an
issue extending it. Um, so I mean that's just I take advant
» currently closes. >> It's already
» it's already closed. >> Okay.
» And you said, sorry, I apologize. How many responses have we gotten so far?
Just two. >> Mhm.
» Okay. >> And one of them had two different
proposals in there. So, >> okay.
» Do we have um someone So, we're expecting whoever it is to come up with
a design. Correct. come up with with a design.
» So why can't we ask both of them to come up with a design
that kind of fits our town? >> Well, a part of the
» that can be like a you can ask for a mockup.
» Yeah. Part of the selection process was going to be an interview and the
expectation would be that they would have something which you presented at
» the mockup is just not it's not something final. It's just a video of
what they can do. >> Yeah. I think that's I think that's good
to go with that and then if something else comes in then hey it's added to the
to the bowl but I don't think we should wait until
did you have any other comments or was that
» No, that was my comment. I don't think we should wait. I just think that we
should leave it um if someone else presents something great. If not but we
should definitely get a mockup from both of these vendors to see what they can
produce. So I think part of the issue is that
part one in the site analysis and planning including at least two
community engagement sessions was that we were would be funding them to
basically have meetings with the community about what the community would
like to see. And so it's more than just them designing it because they'd be
running that portion of it also. And that and that may be why we got your
response is that some groups may not have been interested in doing that
portion of it. So, it's it's more than just give us the
plan that and then also um we had the previous survey on what the citizens
would like to see and I don't know we distributed the responses from that one.
I tried looking through my email and then it might have been rolled off.
» I can I can send it again. I thought we did but it came back for some reason my
email back two months. So, >> okay.
» Yeah. Um sorry. Do you have any other comments?
» Uh, no. But I did find Well, I guess I guess yes, then. Um, one of them
commented it was something to the effect of parking with a park above it. I mean,
sound interesting, but how many parking spaces could you actually fit in there?
And does that I expect that one would be much more expensive than anything?
» Yes, that was the most >> because there was I was looking at it
and I wasn't sure if the amount they were proposing for that was
the design portion or if that was an estimate of cost of actually
constructing it. So I just assume it was more more expensive to find it if
there's a structure. >> Yeah.
» Um it's related to this but also just in
general discussion before about kind of our procurement you know policy and
mechanisms and whatnot. So one question I have and you may have answered this
already. I apologize if I'm asking you to repeat yourself, but what were some
of the uh avenues that you advertised the the RFP in addition to the town
website? >> Well, there was there's a there's
there's the town website. There's also there's a the planning website. We
advertise I had it to do that. Um we also advertise it. Uh there was a
there's a park planning website as well. Not a park planning website, but uh
there as well. We also reached out. I reached out to about five or six
different consultants as well via email. I think only one or two responded and
their response was um they wanted to know what the what the
cost would like what the budget budget was. Sure. Okay. Um Okay. I just
» Sorry, but the planning planning was the strategic plan. So I didn't reach out to
planning for the pocket. >> Okay.
» So Okay. Got it. Take a note of where we're um reaching out and making sure
that our our net is wide as we're we're casting these particularly with again
looking at if there are local opportunities for this as well. Um
» Vice May Brooks, did you have any comments, questions?
» This is regarding the parking lot, >> the the pocket park.
» Oh, the pocket park. >> No.
[sighs] So I think um based on the comments here, one of the suggestions is
to extend the um the open period to see if there's an opportunity for one of you
know uh another couple of um
respondents to provide a response. So do we think two weeks is enough time? Is
that getting is that delaying schedule too much? I mean, it it's definitely
pushing it back, but I mean, I think that it may be worth it. I mean, I'm I'm
willing to push, you know, extend for another 30 days.
» 30 days. >> Yeah.
» Okay. >> In the meantime, uh, can we still go
forward with having them create a mockup because it's not going to I mean, at the
end of the day, we still need to see who the board is going to pick to go with,
» right? So, they are aware that we're looking to interview. the two that we do
have they would be able to do. >> Okay.
» All right. >> Other comments
around >> because of the the planning aspect of
this of the community engagement and stuff like that. I don't know if there
are groups like um you know there's plenty of nurseries in the area that
might have like plant nursery type places. Um what is it? Tuxen 301, you
know, might have, you know, folks who can do conceptual designs for for a for
a part, but may not have that aspect of it. So, we might be able to keep it
local if you back, but you know, we'd have to get that that part from someone
else. >> Yeah. So, I think I think the I think
the RFP is out right now. We've hades to it. I think we evaluate what we what we
have and if any additional ones come in and then you know we can make the
determination based on what the responses are if that's something that
we need to carve out separately but I think we don't I don't think we want to
restart the process with >> dissecting the RFP at this point.
» Exactly. Um, >> yeah, I was just going to say one thing
it might be to see if it can get out to some landscape architecture firms
because sometimes they um are engaged in doing that
» landscape architecture firms like engineers that have um and then
my other comment is um my only concern about having them mock something up out
of community engagement would be like would the community feel like we're
picking a design outside of their engagement process. So
I just wanted to stick them on the table. Um [clears throat]
but it sounds like we're going to extend the
um periods but that's maybe for later. >> Can I say something?
» Um can I piggy back off of that? >> Sure. The reason why I suggested a
mockup was sometimes, you know, you see a space and you really don't have the
experience. So, you you may want things that we can't possibly have in that
space. So, it's not necessarily the community can't um have input, but we
want to kind of give them some kind of starting point as to what it could look
like and give them options, you know, just to help the process along.
» Yeah. >> Not to take over for them and say this
is what we're doing. >> Sure. So, so perhaps instead of um a
mockup of that particular specific place, part of their presentation to us
would be if they have examples of similarly sized projects that they've
done in the past and how they've transformed them.
» Yep, that makes sense. >> Uh because the other part of it is, you
know, this is it's still a competitive bid process and we're not paying them
for preparing their bids. So, we don't want them to incur store work um that we
may not choose. That's smart. Yeah.
» Other questions.
» Hearing none. So, we'll extend the open period for another 30 days. Uh we'll
schedule the two that are that have responded to come in to some meeting
either at the town meeting or the next work session whenever we can uh put it
on the agenda. Um [clears throat] and then we'll move from there. Okay.
All right.
Moving on to the next item, strategic plan RFP response update.
» Yeah, these two the with the strategic plan and the pocket park. It was sort of
like uh not take another a but could you roll the pocket park into the strategic
plan as well? Like you know could you roll the design of that into the
strategic plan? Um so that was just a thought that I had. you know, maybe
that's that's another option there. But the scope of work with the
with the strategic plan and based on the goals of the economic development
working group, you know, we we're looking at business retention and
business recruitment. Uh we're looking at what downtown Upper Mboro is going to
look like uh for the next five five years and how we continue to build on
that. Um and that that can that can include parking which which has has been
an issue. Um design standards and things like that. Um we're looking at small
business support as well because as we've seen um recently with a with quite
a few of our small businesses that have come in um they they've they've
struggled a bit. They don't understand the process. They don't understand the
permitting process, the licensing processes and things like that. And we
like to be able to create programs so that we can continue to support small
businesses to open and to remain open. You know, where do you how do you get
funding? What grants are available and things like that. So
the strategic plan is going to be in place again to keep the businesses that
we have, recruit businesses to again create a plan for the next 5 to 10
years. um is going to look like and how it's going to grow. Um and and it has a
small business support component to it as well.
And again, I'll ask sorry I I promise you I'm listening to you, but um have
you received respons how many responses have you received to on this one as
well? And this one's also closed. >> Yes. Um and so same question as before.
Uh where have we advertised? Where did you put out the RFP?
» I said IP is ABA. Um, and I reached out to about I would say at least six or
seven different different firms. So, um, I reached out
to one of the bigger ones, Baker Tilly. They didn't get back to me until late. I
guess we were going to be small potatoes for them. Um, there was another firm
that's really good, but Baker Tilly acquired them. I reached out to them.
They didn't get back to me until late as well.
» So, yeah, I can put it off for an additional 30 days. And um
as you said, widen the reach out to MML and see if there's any.
» So, do we get any um >> on this one? We have two as well.
» Yes. >> Okay.
» Okay. >> Um All right. So, with with that, we'll
continue with the questions. Council member Live, did you have any other
questions? Yes, sir. >> Councilman Berkeley,
» um I just made a comment. So, I know that the county was actively helping um
the west when West failure was talking about new retail of like helping them
recruit folks for a shopping center. And I I went to their meeting and thought,
why aren't they helping us with that sort of thing? So I don't know what it
takes, you know, if it's only new construction if they help with that sort
of thing because even if it was, you know, they identified some some
businesses that were interested in coming to the area, but they weren't a
right fit for Westfailia, maybe they were a good fit for us.
So it was uh Way who held that meeting when she before she was at large. So I
don't know if she would be a good contact or if it was I think it was
through MNCPPC and they had said they had gone to radius for some
SCS. Um I did I did meet with FSC, so they did give me some contacts uh for
business recruitment as well. And um I haven't set up my time to meet with them
yet, but I'm also working FSC as well. And something else that um I'd had a
discussion with Victor my neighbor months ago and uh he made a suggestion
that and I don't this would be a separate funding thing of you know would
it make sense to have like a liaison for permitting somebody that was experienced
that we could point small businesses to that were interested and like they would
help walk them through the process and I don't that be like mentoring
through the the business group or >> well we had had a discussion with the
economic de development working group to have sort of an unbudsman
» but I did reach out to a few people who would want to do it but they wouldn't do
it for free so it's it's there's a cost associated with that
» and I guess we have to you know figure out like what is what is worthwhile for
the town for businesses you know and it might be that you know there are certain
types of businesses that we know we definitely want that we're willing to to
assist in that way and maybe others that we aren't But I don't have to make a
policy on >> Yeah.
» on that.
» Are we going to extend it? >> That's what's on the table.
» Just to see if we get any more. >> Okay.
» Yeah. Suggestion. You have any objections?
No. 30 days. >> Any other comments?
I I guess I have a question slash we're extending for 30 days so I don't
necessarily want to specifically change with the RFP but one of the things I
noticed about the responses is they were from retail strategy groups
which makes sense right and maybe the pocket of things we're asking for is
like more than one company does because what I didn't notice was like how they
were going to work on a plan to activate the ohms
building. And what I was thinking as I was reading them is this retail strategy
stuff is excellent and then there's not this ohms plan, but I think it's because
they're two different types of planning. And so maybe part of the problem with
getting the response was we're asking for
two different firms to come together and submit an RFP. And that's not frequently
going to happen. and that we maybe need to split those two things out to get
more responses, which of course then that disrupts the whole process because
you have to like send out two RFPs and whatnot, but I just don't know if that's
part of the reason that that's happening.
» Yeah, I I think that's definitely take a look at that. It wouldn't be difficult
to split out the two RFP. So when you say split out of our R&D and with
respect to the homes building, what are you are you looking for? We be looking
for developers interested in developing what their ideas are or what what
» I mean I guess the retail strategy has to be there but also like what is
actually physically happening with the building because the community really
wants to see what's physically happening with the building and like who the right
retailers are. Maybe that's in there and I just wasn't I was looking for
something more specific when I was reading. So maybe it's fine
a specific question. Maybe I don't know if we can ask the people who submit like
I don't know how to I don't know how to identify if that's a problem or not a
problem but I have to follow that. >> Yeah. Well, I I mean I would think so
one my first response is similar to the pocket part piece which is you know we
have the RFP that's been out so let's see what we get with the responses on
the extension on that but also I think part of the strategic plan itself is
community engagement and that is something that is a big part or you know
a lot on everyone's focus so I would imagine that part of that conversation
part of that strategic community engagement would be determining what
does the community want to happen with the ohms building. I think we can say I
think it's reasonable to say as a part of your strategic engagement plan, this
is a question to ask. This is a question to kind of plan on as opposed to
breaking it out separately right now. >> And then maybe the responses from that
or even the the responses from the >> um community engagement then warrants a
separate >> breakout RFP.
» That makes sense. >> All right.
» Okay. Any other comments on the strategic engagement for strategic plan
RFP? >> I well yes um I don't know if it would
fit into this but I remember that when we had our candidates forum last
collection um someone approached me saying that she had a development
corporation and she was in Marl. I didn't get her contact at the time
because election she said she would contact me afterwards. I don't remember
if that's one of the people that's on the economic development council or if
it was someone separate. I'm liking our picture in her face and
get her name. Um, but I mean some of this,
you know, might be handled by a development corporation. So maybe we
need to look into, you know, are there ones in the area
that would support us or do we need to form one to to do these tasks long term
rather than contract them out? >> Yeah. And I think uh when we first
considered or first uh legislated the economic development work group uh a
couple of years ago at this point, one of the goals or one of the charges was
for them to evolve into an economic development corporation to do a lot of
these to do a lot of this type of work. Uh and so I think I don't think that the
developer that you're talking about is on the committee as it stands right now
just from who I know on the committee. But if you have that information and you
find it, please pass it along to town manager uh Anderson. But I think to that
point, it's worth probably at some point with the economic development work group
thinking through what the steps are necessary to move in that direction as
that was one of the original goals. Um but separate from
this particular discussion, uh we we know what a director.
» Yes. >> All right.
» Sounds good. Moving right along to demolition and debris removal
» on the on the strategic plan or the demolition.
» No, demolition. >> Okay. Well, let's let them introduce it
first, then we'll do the we'll do the question. One of you is taking it. Okay.
» Okay. and good afternoon.
We're requesting um approval to award the demolition contract for the uh 5510
crane highway property um all out of town. Um there are for those who don't
know, there are two uh partially standing structures uh
on the on the property that need to be teared down. Um, as you all know that uh
legit came off in a site visit and made recommendation to have them uh pretty
much drop uh as soon as possible. Um so along with this uh we solicited seven
companies. Uh we got interest from four um I believe there were report visits.
um three um uh submissions that three of the companies
uh submitted our proposal and uh two will follow on the same company. Um and
that is the company that we would like to move forward with which is Dickory
and Recon. Um so the their goal would be to simply
reduce both uh parking band instructors to brown leather and so that no one
would actually cut the interior and um you know we would have to worry about
anyone inside or anything like that. Um and
also provide a temporary fencing to go around the structure that we can move
them. Um uh this is the sto of a pin until we can
uh adequately you know funds have been removed off the bike. Um but this is
satisfy um audit we had from the jet uh by doing this. Um so the amount for uh
data demolition coming in at 29,000 and that is to reduce uh both buildings to
ground level and that is also to um sort of group together everything within
150 range of the structures and to uh sort of level it all
when there's no longer a large void. side of the structures. Um so with that,
um I will take any questions. Uh additionally, there is a cost of $400
per month for the temporary fencing. Um that is until we can actually get the
right.
» Uh yeah. So I see tree removal on here as well. So we're not using up a tree.
Right. Okay. And the fence, you don't have to actually go and everything.
There's another couple, just a bunch of different ones. The easiest way to do
it, um,
» make sense. Um, the other question is, um, I know that we talked before about
getting, um, some carts so you guys could go back
back and forth. Where are we with that? >> We are working on that currently. We're
just trying to see what what will be the most pretty much the bang for your buck
as far as what has been uh, approved for this year [snorts] as far as the
purchase price. >> Okay. A new one, right?
» Okay. >> Yes. Hey, that's two.
» Two, but if uh there is a concern that the two that we're looking at won't do
everything we needed to do. So, it may be one and there will be sort of a
sharing and we keep it up here at town hall just in case need access.
» Yeah, cuz if they're going to do patrols, they probably will be,
you know, have it here to go over there. Um, sorry before you jump in, but just a
couple of quick questions. So, um, the temporary thinking structure $400 a
month, what's the timeline on how long that's staying
» until we can have fun to have everything removed. Uh in order to remove
everything from over there um just and doing site visits, it's going to be
quite intensive. We're going to need to create a temporary gravel road. We're
going to need to remove some trees uh and we're going to have to move some
equipment on site and uh stage over there for that mobilization that will
come at an increased cost as well. Um so with this with this company uh agreeing
to sort of grab any rubble within 150 foot radius and sort of less costly.
» So that that answers one of my other questions. So this this kind this
agreement would be for primarily for demolition but there would still be a
significant amount of of debris that would need to be removed at some point.
That's what's being fenced off. >> Yes. And this company did provide um
to everything that is significant cost.
» It was approximately 87,000. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think there was more
that we needed that made it a little closer to like 91.
» But within this Sorry, I'll come to you one second. But within this within this
29,000, did that include the removal of the vehicles and the tires or this is it
doesn't include any any removal at all? >> Okay.
That's but it's not in 15 radius either. It's further away.
» So anything that's close. Can we push the car over there?
Okay. Can I ask you said we had two proposals. Is that the other proposal?
Was it for >> we
Okay. Thank you. >> Councley. Um, so as as there's multiple
portions of their scope of work, you know, it's kind of a line item. There's
a mention of mow and make ready entrance road with front deck mower.
Is that can they do that first part of you know dropping the building and stuff
like that with having an entrance road? So if they did that depending on how
long it takes to that stuff would just grow back up.
» So we may end up spending money.
» Okay. [snorts] >> Is what what they would like to do is
once they do that they they want to come in and bring [clears throat] more.
» Yeah. Well, there there was actually two. Wait, there was a separate one for
the actual Oh, yeah. Yeah. The the putting
the gravel on there and stuff for the roadway was 19,000, but then there was
the mowing it down to was 7500. So,
um, as you put on what what might be a another problem is that they have a
proposed start date in here of May 11th and there is another
where was it?
» But but the issue is that on the very last page it says contractors rights to
withdraw this proposal or reestimate the price if not accepted within 15 days.
» Validity the validity date. Have we confirmed if the practicing is still
valid? >> Yes.
» Any other comments, Brooks?
» May 11th. This is start date of 27th.
The proposal was based on a May 11 start date, but since we're now beyond that,
May 11, 2026, he validated or confirmed that the pricing is still valid if we
approve it tonight. >> Okay. What fund is that coming out of?
» Well, that would come from our operating and then we don't have a separate fund
for that, but the operating account. >> Yeah. But that there is money available
for that. So, >> we're not pulling from any other
accounts. is coming from our operating area.
» Oh, wait. One more. When you say uh you asked this question, did you give an
answer? Um how many how long will it take for how
long will this process take? Cuz it's $400 a month for the FIN fee. So, how
long would that process take? That that depends on when we move forward and
allocated to actually
the overall price is about $80,000 to remove everything. So
» I have a couple of questions. Um >> the the first one is because you said
the fund it was coming from but we we did budget this. Yes, I feel like we
budgeted for this or or is it coming out of contingency then?
» Well, I guess it will come out we could it will come out different contingencies
but we don't have a specific line item. >> Okay. So, is are we gonna have to amend
our budget or we gonna >> Well, well, we would have to make a
budget amendment at some point anyway because um there's an additional fund
balance as well. So, we would have to amend the budget.
» Okay. So, we have a line item to take it out of and then we'll address it when we
amend the budget. Okay. Um then
so one thing about fencing is and this may be crazy like can we purchase
fencing but I'm guessing that there's also like maintenance of the fencing and
whatnot >> but
the fencing will keep people out of it. [snorts]
Yes. No. I don't know the reason I'm so because I can see sort of that area
from my home. There are occasionally buyers back there. Like I think
somebody's back there, >> right? And so the concern that I'm
having is they're going to take all this debris from two structures and put it in
a pile. And we can see that people are lighting
fires back there. and it's the woods. And so like how are we ensuring
that that doesn't become a fire that then endangers the 16 homes
that are >> okay the fire aspect was a little new to
me. Um but with the temporary fencing
with any fence pretty much you can do you can
» but it is um it has very heavy fences. The fence themselves are particularly
light but they're sort of heavy duty and they're also bolted together. So that
should there access door or anything. So that should
keep any reasonable >> but I mean it is a chain link fence. So
if someone does want to set fire to it, you can. Do we have an option of 8 foot?
I believe I believe it's it's roughly the same as these, but I believe these
» and then I think there were when we had this discussion. Sorry.
» No, we can keep this discussion. >> Um when we had this discussion before, I
think legit had had a number of other safety or security measures that they
had recommended as well. Are those still on the table in addition to this
demolition piece? Have we just to again address the issue of making sure no
one's going back there? >> Well, one of the one of the security
measures was having a light and we're >> we we're not going to do that.
» Sure. >> But um for legit, and correct me if I'm
wrong, they were satisfied with the with the 8ft fence uh completely enclosed and
secured and posted. So they were satisfied with that along with
um I guess a chain across the front, you know, blocking that off as well. So um
so but what we had in place there is good for them.
» And there's also some things that they had us do to the actual structure
themselves. Uh take them off with caution tape. Each entrance that we know
is um uh blocked off with caution tape. There's posted no trespassing signs, no
injury and all those sort of things. And we patrol it uh twice a week. So with
all that, we'll be able to tell if someone does access the property.
» Council, you had two more. I >> had two two more questions. And these
are more on like structure and historic elements, which is when they're demoing
the structure that has those stone columns. Are they demoing the stone
columns or are they leaving the stone columns?
» I believe they're demoing
They're really pretty, guys. I don't know if you've all seen them.
» I've seen them. >> Um,
and then I know like this is like I've asked this and it's like a hard ask, but
the the Gant house, if there's anything salvageable from the Gant House, can it
be? And that was the one that was
» the little white one that's collapsed like white in blue. Um like
» I'll go back there with the demolition table if there is anything.
» I don't want anyone to hurt themselves but if there's
» Yeah. As they're you know as they're going through it if there's anything.
» Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Um
last question. But it is possible that they can jump over the fence. Yes, it is
possible. >> Well, can I just say it is possible for
them to go back there now even though we have the thing and that's why sign there
to say so if something happens it's at their own risk and that kind of protects
the town by having all these posted signs and doing the um and taping up the
entrances and the windows. It actually takes the onus off of the town.
» Yeah. to a degree, but I I I'm sensitive to Council Member Franklin's point that
if we're now leaving just a large pile of
» even if it's even if the the town is protected in one way or another, that
doesn't mean anything if >> woods catch fire and people's houses
catch fire. So, so we want to make sure that's
» I think the fencing is the is the one piece.
» Yeah. So may maybe I mean I think it all comes down to maybe the answer is that
we have to pay the $80,000. That's really the only way to
for the liability to be gone. So at the end of the fiscal year, what I can say
is that there were several things that we didn't end up
doing. We didn't end up uh using $150,000 in reserves for the splash pad.
We didn't have to do that. So, it's quite possible we could take money from
there to pay the $80,000, but it's there's really no way to guarantee
guarantee that no one was going to get back there. And the reason that there
are so many, you know, we had to label it no passing
and secure it is because it does reduce our liability and legit would be able to
defend us by by doing that. That's fine. >> But I think at I think at the end of the
day >> at at the end of the day though, we have
to come up with the solution. When are we going to
» Yeah. >> demolish
of the fact that we put these signs in place and
» pictures to document it. So if anything happens that we do have record of
» Yeah.
there every couple of weeks police department evacue as well. So we are
showing that we our due diligence >> I do want to see you probably know that
» already council >> Bley
» um on the the trashwood issue. So the the first the first bullet point, the
one that we're looking at, the $29,000 says specifically demolish and remove
trash, wood, and debris from existing structure to the best of our ability to
have mechanical means. But then also the cape in the existing stone, concrete to
bottom of existing bill, which I assume would be taking up that portion that
you're interested in preserving. Um there is an alternate for 19,000
which is alternate option for Mr. bond cave an existing structure and separate
and pile wood inside existing structure which we're not going with. And then
there was also uh the second bullet point tree removal and stacking. Remove
and pile tree stumps between existing house ruin and pond with concrete sides
which I also don't think we're doing. So So I think they're removing the wood.
We're not adding any more down wood than is already there. So just from a
liability standpoint, I don't think we're creating problems. I mean, there's
still pre-existing problem, but we're not adding.
» Okay. Okay. We can get started.
» Yes. >> Any other questions from Council before?
» Um, not a question comment. Um, green tree has been good to me for tree
removal. Um, I don't know if there's any tree removal aspects of this that need
to be bid out, but we should probably ask them also.
» Council member, >> they've been helping throughout the
town. They're pretty good for sure. He's he's in contact already. Um, I just
wanted to see if we could kind of somehow figure out how to renegotiate
this contract to make it more worth, you know, because if you going to give him
two different parts of it, I think he could give you a better.
» What do you mean? >> You said you have two different
proposals. One for the track removal and one for him to break the do the
demolition. Um, >> so the the other one it does is a
demolition included in >> Right. And and wasn't that for us?
» That is the roughly close to 90,000, >> right? But they're doing everything.
» And we may we may need to look at that because if they're doing the demolition
and removing the trash, that may be it may be easiest for us to pay the 90,000
instead of paying what 80,000 and then 29,000.
» Well, would be the 29,
» right? But to do to remove everything except for the things down in the ravine
um which we haven't been able to really investigate yet would be the 90,000.
» Right. So that's what I'm saying. So the if we're comparing the contracts
um you got two contracts, one to demo and one to remove and then the other
contract to give you a contract to do everything. Is that what I'm hearing? So
the it's just one to do everything demo separated
demo and then separate separate. >> Okay.
» So I I think the I think the the crux of the question was is there any cost
savings by contracting everything together versus basically billing it at
this point? that I don't know. I know we it's 29 here and then it will be another
60 or 61 to finish the right and that is I mean
that's if we decide to go with this company or everything with the other
companies it was a little higher um and also
fuel prices things like that inflation a year from now this could be more
» I don't think we're going to wait a whole year to get this done I think It's
imperative that we move forward with things so that there's no bonfire back
there. >> And
» well, in in regards to that specifically with how grounds been lately, if I mean,
if anything happens back there, >> I mean, that is a possibility, not just
specific to this site. >> Yeah, that is inherent now. Not even
like it's not exacerbated by something that's working. I guess that
just makes it a trap. >> Okay.
» I was just going to think the reason that we're waiting is because we can put
this in line items, but we can't put 90,000 items. So, we have to do a budget
adjustment to get the removal and so we just need to do that.
» But we also need to get it down sooner. Is that Do I understand that correctly?
» Yeah. Budgeting. >> Okay. Uh, with that said, is there a
motion to approve the demolition contract with
bigger done right? >> So moved.
» Is there a second? >> Go ahead.
» All right. Uh, we'll take public comment. If there's anyone again in the
room who would like to provide public comment, please come to the podium,
state your name and streak. >> If there's anyone online, please raise
your hand. those fans online.
Sorry.
Is school lane have my daughter looking up where the
property is located. So, it's right across the street here. Yes. How visible
is that from the road? Think about we did not remove the debris. So it's the
property was taken down the impact of people's perception of the town seeing
that there um so property right on the road
I I'll say from being back to well yeah so I'll let you answer. Well, the the
the act the the entire property, yes, it's the tree line behind the houses
here, but the actual structures are further uh to the
um which you can't see from the road. >> Well, when you pass by, you can see a
chain. You can see a chain. So, and it says uh no question. That's it for
» any other public comment online or in the room.
» See anything. >> Right. Hearing or seeing none. Thank
you. Um man, could you please call the order?
» Mayor, I vice mayor. I >> council member Franklin. Hi. Council
» member. Hi. Council member. Hi. Motion passes. We'll move on to the
compact tractor purchase. Director
Okay.
So um we've uh sort of had this conversation before we purchased
something uh that has already proved uh to our
operation in town. Um, I know we sort of had a plan to try to minimize the
smaller tractor that we have until we were able to uh move forward with uh the
purchase of another tractor. But that at the moment it just
tractor is it needs to go in the shop currently and
it's not work anymore. [laughter] >> Yeah.
Um but uh what is attractive about uh this
offer um although we had discussed it before um is that this can be paid this
will be paid for out of speed.
Um so we had uh discussed it with chief. He's going to look over everything and
he is in agreement that we can move forward uh uh with this purchase under
the speed cage title. Um and you know this is and the [clears throat] pretty
much the pl is you know we're going to use it for sidewalk snow removal and
things of that nature which our larger tractor is typically not able to do.
Uh this tractor uh is made specifically for this type of work um for sidewalks
and things like that. It is actually smaller than the small tractor that we
have now. However, it's lifting capacity. It's more of a heavy unit
whereas what we have is more of a homeowning
sort of deal. Um [clears throat]
uh [snorts] with that I will take any um we got uh three quotes one from John
here one from uh New Holland and this one from I know the one picture
but the one we're actually getting for this price
is a a
So, first question I'm going to ask, well, I'm going to ask a couple of
questions. Me, too. First question I'm going to ask is time frame for delivery
because we've had we
» Okay. And two, uh we've thoroughly vetted uh that the uses for this would
fall under the pedestrian safety mechanisms for speed camera funding.
» Yes. >> Started in this end of the table this
time. Council member Franklin. >> Um, so I just want to you've answered
most of my questions. My question is just like so this will be able to go
onto the property as well. >> Yes.
» Right. I said your own name. So I wanted to clarify it can go over there and do
the work we need to do over there. >> All right. You answered the rest of my
question. Okay, Brooks. >> Okay, so you I'm reading here. So this
is mainly for the sidewalks like snow removal, cleaning, I mean sidewalk and
trail maintenance, transportational materials. How much machin can you get
in that little small thing and general municipality maintenance
support? Okay. But we don't have a tractor like this now. You said it's a
bigger one. >> The the one we have is essentially big.
How long has it been dead?
» But and and Okay. So, we have nothing that would do the job that we have now.
We don't anything to replace it. this what this does specifically
you guys just recently but that by no means can get on the
sidewalk and do removals um if we have another ice storm like we had this year
uh being able to actually pick up and move the snow was invaluable you could
not push >> that's that's small
» yeah I think I think if I remember correctly I remember seeing you I think
this this ice probably were killed. >> See remember seeing you out there
working working hard. So um you know hopefully
that was a once a year storm but not this would be useful to get it off the
ground before it turns into ice again. Did you have any other questions Vice
Mayor Brooks? Okay, Council. Uh >> I was just looking up the specs on it. I
was trying to find the width. Looks like it's about 45 in wide.
It is. It comes with two different u um but I verified the one that we're
getting is uh what is it?
Say it 48. I believe it's 48. It's either 48 or 49. I mean it's a little
bit wider than the tell. So I just sidewalk for about
this can be outfitted with the actual plat.
» That was the other question like how many devices it rated for
specifically.
» Any other questions? Council Berkeley. Council member L.
» Thank you chief.
So that's I have no objections yet. >> Okay,
» with that, do I have a to approve the compact tractor purchase?
» So move. >> Second.
» A second. >> Second.
» All right, we'll public comment. Again, if there's any public comment in the
room, please step to the podium, name and street. Anybody online, please raise
your hand. We'll
» raise hands online.
tracker be available not by us but by public work or like
» it would be on town sidewalks town right
there. All right.
[laughter]
» Okay. Um, let's call the roller. >> Mayor Cver,
» Vice Mayor Call the RO, Vice Mayor Brooks.
like to come back to you. >> Please come back to you.
» Council member, >> hi.
» Vice Mayor Brook.
» Oh my.
And the and the final price is 26,000. >> Yes.
» The 330 344.
» And what's the expected longevity? >> Um with uh factors and things like that
bumped up to about 10 years as opposed to seven years.
The one that we have currently, I believe, is from 2005,
I believe. >> And it broke down this year.
» Broke down a few times. >> Yeah.
We delivered this far. >> We paid to fix it a number of times.
» Because I know
verbal response.
» Oh my goodness. Um, and it's coming from the pedestrian u
camera.
Okay. All right. But this is
still, but it's a >> care. It's just, you know,
» they need it. How they going to get those jobs?
» All right. Motion patches. >> We'll move on to business item 6F,
staff's response to unhoused community town. uh chief is not here this evening
but he provided a memorandum who's going to
» but uh well Darn do you mind speaking to what
you've done with on on the public works side with the with addressing some of
these complaints as well [clears throat] yes um from from our
perspectives in the meantime while we will make the
convention that we need to
going to have actually added that into their litter collection
rotation. Uh simply because for one portion of it um although it is county
property uh one portion of it really start to but against the sidewalk and is
extremely unattractive. So we go ahead and take care of it. But um as far as
making contact with the county, reached out to uh OPS,
they were unable to sort of point me in the right direction of who can sort of
make the call to uh try to pass the individual or ban the individual from
the property. Um they also stated that they have a
a real estate division who sort of maintains the county's properties. Um I
ask for that number as far as uh who can actually come out and clean the
properties because they see it every day. However, they don't. Um they either
couldn't or chose not to give me the numbers. saying that we would not be
able to direct them to >> I have a number in the name. Um I also
went over to the circuit court had building today. Um and was and had to
you know beat the thumb on the ground the property and cleaning it up with uh
and part of getting banned of trespass and they asked me to come back tomorrow
and the uh corporal who actually is in charge of that fight is there. Don't
know my plan to move forward with that tomorrow.
» I put an account 311 request for them to come.
» No, no, I think I think that's >> Oh, you go with
that. >> All right. So, you know, the
the the issue with the unhoused community, as everybody knows, is pretty
complicated. And this isn't just it didn't just start this year. I think uh
when council member Franklin was mayor, there were some concerns as well and
when we were trying to work with our stakeholders with the with the county to
try to get the services that these folks needed. Um I think that um there were
sort of two things going on with the unhouse community for a while and a part
of it was uh people were being released from the jail showing up in town but
they were sort of transient and then they leave. Right now we have two two
people that are here constantly >> that are you know causing issues with
with respect to trash and things like that. Um we're getting complaints
probably 5 to 10 a week from businesses residents as well. So what the police
department has done and obvious you know the police department can't go out put
them in a car and take somewhere else. Um but what they have done is they've
tried to uh get them the services that that that
that that they've needed. Um they've worked with the they've worked directly
with the county. Uh just recently um a county worker came out and engaged with
the with one of the individuals and they did accept some county services. Um the
other individual still doesn't want to accept county services. Of course, you
know, you don't want to arrest your way out of things, but you know, a part of a
part of what's keeping some of the folks around is that the the property owners
are allowing them to to stay there. Um, now they had been staying in the post
office. The post office was open for 24 hours and then the post office limited
their lobby hours from 6:00 to 8. So, that helped there. Um, as Darnell had
mentioned, you know, it may come down to the county issuing a no trespass order
so that they don't have that place to go. But ultimately the town, I mean,
it's not just we would like them to get the services
that they need, but we also have have to recognize that they are having an impact
downtown. Um, so we've done basically all that we can do on on on the social
work side of things. Um, and we we will continue to work with with the county to
try to address it. Um, but again, one of the individuals has accepted some some
services and we've also reached out to I think one of the individuals reached out
to to the mayor and I think I got an email as well and um we tried to direct
this person to the services that they needed on the
federal and state level as well. Yeah, I think I think for for me I think
the the conversation is around one being unhoused is not illegal in the
town of Upper Marboro and there's no suggestion or at least I'm not I'm not
entertaining [clears throat] a suggestion that we make it illegal in in
the town. Um but there are circumstances that have arose that need
to be addressed as well. So I think what we're doing in terms of the police, in
terms of public works, in terms of you, town manager Anderson with general
government continuing to engage with the county to make sure that the services uh
are at least offered even if you know constantly consistently. Clearly it work
for at least one individual and we just going to we're just going to have to
continue to to push that. The other piece of it too is now this may sound a
little bit harsh but there there there are needs being met by individuals that
are causing them to not have to take up services. So we have to be cognizant of
as a community as well. Yes, we want to be helpful. Yes, we want to, you know,
we don't want to see any of our any of our neighbors or fellow humans in need,
but we also need to make sure that we're redirecting them to the places that can
actually provide professional services so that they are in those spaces and
not, [snorts] you know, creating, for lack of a better term, nuisances or
messes or things of that nature. Uh in addition to that,
in places where they're on county property, we have to be engaged with the
county to make sure that they are taking the responsibility and cleaning up those
areas or doing whatever is necessary to make sure that doesn't continue to um
provide uh negative impacts on the town. So, I think those all of those things
are things that we are we are doing and have to continue to do in order to try
to make this situation um keep it keep it from from expanding. Um, that's my
perspective on it and I'll, you know, I'll leave it open to the to the rest of
the council if there are suggestions or thoughts that we should entertain. But I
think that's I think that's where we are with it. Vice May.
» Yeah. I I know it's extremely difficult in dealing in this situation, but
we've got to do something because I walk and walk home every day.
Um, and I get bombarded.
What can you do? The I'm People are coming up to me showing me pictures. Why
aren't you guys picking up this trash? I'm like, trash is not picked up by us.
It's picked up by the county. And you you someone will come out and pick up
the trash. The next day it's back again. Food, tra. Me personally, I had seen one
individual defecate by that side
um metal thing and it's human feces is still sitting there and it's an eyes
sore. You know, people walk throughout the town daily going to the courthouse,
going to in the county administration building, going to the post office or
wherever.
» [clears throat] >> One day this gentleman just started
yelling and screaming. I mean, I don't know what happened. Just started yelling
and screaming and it's just and the sheriff's
department was talking. It's like maybe we can I don't know get involved with
them and see what help we can work together with. But it it is it's
becoming increasingly bad. You know, we have like uh we had the ceremony
recently and the one individual just came right in and started picking up the
food that was that was supposed to be given out to the people that was coming
for the ceremony. And uh it it's just an eyes sore and we because you when when
Mayor Frank was mayor, I think you guys offered them some help to take them to
the shelter. They did fine. This is this is daily. This has been going on for
like a year and a half now. I do believe we did reach out to the sheriff's,
right? Or we are going to reach out to the sheriff's.
» Yes. So today we just contact the sheriff. Yes. Good.
» Because I spoke to the one of the sheriff and they were like, you know,
and they know this individual by name and they were like, well, maybe we can,
you know, work together with something. I said, well, sure, I can bring it to
the the board, but this is >> right. But they were, I guess, so we are
planning on working working closely. But I don't think anyone has gone and
pick up them human feces yet. >> That's on private That's on county
property. >> It's on county property and it's that
bush where they keep their stuff in their trash bag and that they used to
pick that up but that hasn't been moved. >> I mean you walk past five trash cans
with your food and you just leave it there and you there's like five tracks
and they don't throw it in the trash. >> So I think one of the pieces with that
too is notifying the county when these things happen. So whether it's a 311
call or whatever it is, I think we have to um all and not just us as a board,
but anyone who sees this have have to be diligent in reporting this to the county
so that they have enough it shouldn't take more than one, but so that they
have enough notifications to act on cleaning up those spaces that's on their
property. >> And today you did call 311 today and you
did your first 311. >> Yes. Yes,
» I actually did it through the app. That way I could send pictures
as well. >> And what I'd like to do, I'm I'm sure
311 has a database that maintains all of these tickets and all of these calls
that happen, but I'd like for us to if we're notified of anything for us to
keep track of, you know, the number of calls that we're making to them on these
issues as well.
» Um, so you were very diplomatic. I'll try to be
» so you know there is one individual who will not accept help. There have been
other people who are experiencing homelessness in town. We can connect
with them. We can get them to services and we can help them move on. That's
been my experience. When
you go by this individual and your heart says, "Oh, I need to give them money or
I need to give them food because they need it." I promise you that person has
plenty. Plenty. And that's where the trash is coming from. Um, and that is
the barrier to that individual receiving the services they need. There is a
mental health issue. the county, the sheriff's office, the county police, the
county homelessness division, everybody knows, but you're getting what you need
without having to do anything. Then you're not going to be able to build
that relationship with people who can help you. So, uh, who watches our
meetings, right? But we're all part of the solution. And part of that solution
is saying, I'm actually going to call the county and ask the county to reach
out to this person and help us because that's where that person gets the help
they need. And then I would say on the 311, what I did find is I know it's
annoying, right? But Vice Mayor Brooke, like as people say to you, say report it
on 311 now because the more of us that reported on 311, responsive 311 is.
That's just like something I experienced over years. So
to be a team effort is my statement.
» Well, we'll start council. Um, so it's it's been well more than a year and a
half since since he's been around because he I mean it may be a year and a
half in town, but he was usually over at the Exxon near the Amish market
um for since before the pandemic. And then during the pandemic, he moved down
to uh near the Dunkin Donuts on 301 in Marbor Pike. and then at some point when
he relocated to here, um I believe
the there's a there's a female in town who is more discreet.
Um I don't know fully what her situation is, but she's been known to sleep in the
library. Um but takes her stuff with her and
doesn't leave piles of trash. So, and she's been
I want to say on and off for a decade at least.
» It's It's been a long time. Um the library staff probably have more info or
or maybe it's two different women because I usually see them sleeping and
covered up. I'm not sure if it's the same person over the years.
I just wanted to say that the gentleman that we were talking about uh just
recently um I saw them sleep over there where we have the Christmas party um
they were sleep on the grass right in the front and [snorts] their whole
bottom was out and it was facing it was facing the street. Mhm.
» And I said the next time cuz I was so shocked. I was driving by. I said the
next time I'm going to take a picture and send it to the county because that's
indecent exposure. And um he was sleep. But the point was that he deliberately
was facing, you know, the part that was uncovered
and then directed of Main Street. And it was right right in the grass
right here on the front. So it's not like he can be missed. So, we really
need to um start picking pictures if we see things like that because that can
probably help with um removal permanently.
» I have pictures of the human. Sorry everybody. I don't mean be to mean to be
gross, but I took pictures of the human feces. I feel took a picture when he was
doing it, but I didn't want to get yelled at. But
» so just because the the these two behaviors that have been described, I
like my husband's a therapist and he does emergency petition people. I don't
know the exact requirements, but I think being unclothed can lead to an emergency
petition. So I think if you call when you see that say you call I guess you
would call 911 or 988 and say that this person is out on the street with their
oxide hanging out then that might be able to help them because it's mental
health services that this person needs right and so when we see something that
can trigger the mental health services then that may be what needs to happen um
I don't know I'm not the therapist. Greg is, but I know that some of that is
related to >> So, it sounds like part of the other
part too is making sure that we all need everyone in town knows the
the correct numbers and resources to call as well as there are these things
that you know things like this that that we're seeing who's the correct number to
call if it's 311 is it 98 or whatever. So maybe there's
988 the non-emergency uh um but maybe we can I'm sorry
um >> wait sorry the 988 is mental health
» oh okay >> u but maybe there's some education that
we could put out [clears throat] just letting people know what the
numbers are so more educated
okay I don't know. >> Does the county still have a municipal
leaison? I found the website and they mentioned that the office still exists,
but they don't give a name because we used to have somebody that we could call
for county services if we were having
» I'm amazed by that brutal. They made it through that winter.
» They were probably to be in the post office. That's probably why the the six
rules triggered. >> I don't know. I seen them like on the
street >> under the post like in the middle of the
snowstorm just sitting there and the snow was just falling just sitting there
in the days and I said that can't be can't be any
seen camp out in the underway.
» Okay. >> Okay.
» All right. So
» any other comments on that discussion? I think we, you know, we do some education
here in the town. We will if if we if you see something, say something. You
know, that old adage uh and and we'll keep track of any of the calls that
we're making to 311 or the other. >> Right. And I'm going to continue to the
executive on the county executive's office as
well. I guess some closure on the county property side.
» All right. Um we'll move on to general public comment. Uh so this is for
anything not on tonight's agenda. If you have a general public comment uh to
make, please step to the podium, state your name and street uh and we'll give
you the opportunity to speak. And then also if you're online please raise your
hand um for the same
going once. >> Going twice.
Okay. Um previously mentioned we'll do the
preliminary approval of next meeting agenda here now. And so the items that I
have
I will I will reopen the general
am
sorry late noted but there's anything you wanted to bring to ask about or
might not know anything so just want to go
Thank you very much. >> Thank you.
» Anyone else in this reopened general public comment?
» Um, nothing online. All right. The items that I have that I'm tracking uh on
this, you know, rolling agenda that exists somewhere or at least moving
forward. So, one of them is um as we're talking about the potent the
opening of the splash pad, there have [clears throat] been some discussion
about um providing an official name for the splash pad. So, I'd actually like
for us to have that discussion on what we uh think uh an appropriate name for
the splash pad would be if it's named in honor of someone or the other. So, what
I asked council or town manager Anderson previously was uh to draft a resolution
for us. And what I would like us to do as a count as a council is to in this
next period before the next meeting just submit uh potential names for us to
discuss at the meeting on the 24th and then we'll make a decision there. Uh so
resolution for naming a playground a splash pad. Uh codification we need to
reopen that discussion. Um so we'll put that on there. And then
we talked previously um one thing that's languishing out there is the vacant
property ordinance and I think part of that was
um town manager Anderson you kind of
jenning up what the oper what the operational aspects and costs would be
and I know you've had a number of items on your plate. Is that something that
would be available by the next meeting? If not, let's set a let's set a date for
when we can actually >> I don't want to even down, but probably
not for the next meeting. >> Is the August 11th session?
» Well, that's the public hearing. >> Since I'm the one pushing this, can I
make a suggestion? Sure. >> Right now, Council
Manager Anderson is under staff. We need to have this adopted before the next
budget season, but can we say 30 days after hiring but October at the latest?
Is that reasonable? Unreasonable.
» All right. Solutions. I love them. Um, well, that's what I'm tracking so far.
Are there other items? So in that case we just have the resolution for the
naming of splash pad codification reopening that discussion. Are there
other items? >> It's possible that we would be we have
the um folks with the um the formal people that have submitted RFPs. It's
possible they could present
» RFP presentation. Okay.
» Are there other items for council members? This is this is for the meeting
in two weeks. I have one about talking about a new HR firm.
» All right.
Say that again. >> Yeah. Talking about a new HR firm. The
possibility of bringing on a new HR firm.
Oh, okay. I didn't know we >> don't have one.
» We don't have one. >> We have a staff member handling HR
response. >> Oh,
generalist. >> Yeah, HR generalist,
» but we need a we need a new HR. >> Okay.
Anything else? All right.
» Elections, but I don't think we have enough stuff next month. So,
» yeah. So, elections is still on the docket for later. uh in the fall. So now
resolution for naming us playground a splash bag codification RFP
presentations new HR firm are the four items that I have.
All right. >> I'm just [laughter]
join.
» I think probably in the near future we really need to discuss like future
annexations with the annexation plan. So that may not go on the 28th. It's
probably something for a work session. But I think it's if we're going to
continue to annex, which way are we going? What do we do? We are we looking
for population, business, uh what are the issues that we should
address that are affecting the resident that are actually carrying out the
public meeting and things like that. >> I don't know if it'll be on the next
agenda, but that's something I would like you to add to the building agenda
within the next few. Absolutely.
Okay, >> bigger and better.
» Next item uh says motion to go into close session. Does someone have a
motion to go into close session? >> Move
like to move to go into close session pursuant to Maryland annotated code
general provisions article 3-305B1 subject of section
Okay. of this subsection. The public body may meet in close session to
adjourn or an open session or close session to consider the appointment,
employment, assignment, promotion, discipline, demotion, compensation,
removal, resignation or performance the valuation of appointee, employee or
official over whom this has jurisdiction or any other personnel matter that
affects one or more specific individuals.
My motion. Is there a [snorts] second? Second.
to call the role. May >> I'm going to pass and
vice mayor
motion to go into close session by this right here.
I >> I
council >> I council member
» I
» This is to go into close session. Yeah, >> I changed my vote.
» Well, you're you're voting now. So, you just made the
» Oh, okay. I made the motion, but Yeah. No.
» Yes. We have number 32. So we are now in
close session again. We will not be coming back into open session. So we're
adjouring the open portion of the meeting.
» Okay. >> Thank you all for coming.
» Minutes. I'll be the I guess I'll be the minute person and give me five minutes.
» Y.
» Yeah. >> Yes.
» Mr.
would be worth having any of the council members