[1:00] green. Okay. Wanted to make sure we were
all on mic. So, yeah.
[1:04] » Okay. Thank you. Uh, any presentations?
>> There are none this evening.
[1:07] » None. Okay. First order of business is a
public hearing number 1977 to receive
[1:14] public comment regarding the conditional
use application for 31 through 49 Eastn
[1:19] Road submitted by Building Blocks LLC to
use as a child care center and for
[1:25] educational purposes. Uh Mr. Kenny,
would you take this over? Sure.
[1:31] » Could you just do a motion to open the
public hearing?
[1:33] » Okay. Uh I'll make a motion. Do we have
a second to open the meeting? Second.
[1:38] Okay. All in favor?
>> I
[1:41] » Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and
mark some exhibits administratively
[1:46] first before we actually get to the
public hearing. Uh the public hearing uh
[1:51] has been advertised in our newspaper of
general general circulation and that
[1:56] will be T1 on the 19th of July and the
26th of July. Uh T2 will be a a picture
[2:05] that's in your packet, a copy of the
posting of this public hearing. Uh T3
[2:11] will be a copy of the conditional and
the posting is actually of two uh two
[2:16] different pictures which will both fall
under T2. Uh T3 will be a copy of the
[2:21] additional conditional use application
uh received by the township on March
[2:26] 23rd uh 2026.
Uh and in that uh will be an application
[2:32] uh several exhibits and illustrations.
Uh T4,
[2:37] hold on.
T4 will be a the recommendation of the
[2:43] Montgomery County uh planning commission
dated July 2nd uh 2026.
[2:51] As well as any recommendations that uh
the APA uh made related to this. Uh as
[2:59] you're well aware in the conditional use
process, the board of commissioners sits
[3:03] like the zoning hearing board in a quasi
judicial fashion. Um so uh one of the
[3:09] things we have to ask is if anyone is
seeking party status in this uh in this
[3:15] hearing. Uh party status doesn't mean
that you can't comment at the end of the
[3:20] hearing. There's always an opportunity
for public comment uh at the end of the
[3:24] hearing itself. The party status means
that you would go ahead uh you would
[3:28] live uh within generally 500 feet of uh
of the property that you would um uh or
[3:37] be a community organization uh
recognized by the township. Then you
[3:41] would have the ability to cross-examine
witnesses uh call any witnesses
[3:45] yourself. Uh so I just want to see for
the record is anyone requesting party
[3:49] status.
Okay, seeing that no one is requesting
[3:53] party status, I was given a series of
exhibits before this hearing uh by the
[3:59] applicant's attorney uh marked as A1.
And I'm going to keep one copy for my
[4:05] myself and then pass it down to the
board of commissioners. Uh and uh at
[4:10] this time, I would invite the
applicant's attorney to come up. Uh do
[4:14] you have any witnesses you want to swear
in? Okay, maybe we can swear them in
[4:18] first.
[4:24] Good evening. John Penningham for the
applicant and with me is the applicant
[4:29] uh representative of the uh blocking
building blocks LLC Kel and to her left
[4:38] is the landlord representative Nina Lang
Langden who will testify about the site
[4:44] conditions. Uh K will testify about the
daycare center and its operations. So
[4:49] I'd ask that both of them be sorted.
[4:56] » Y a N l.
[5:06] » Yes.
[5:09] Mina. N I N A L. L A N G D O N
[5:22] » you gave to me which I handed a board of
commissioners series uh exhibit A1 it's
[5:29] one two three four
uh six pages correct
[5:38] » there and I also what handmark is A2
which is a site plan
[5:45] too
[5:49] » and the site plan was submitted to Mr.
to tell in advance and I believe part of
[5:52] your package then perhaps in fact he
gave us additional
[5:59] » thank you.
[6:13] So, if you if it's okay, I'll refer to K
as K and Nina as Nita and uh just
[6:19] explain uh in a brawer scenario and have
Kay affirm what I'm about to say about
[6:24] the daycare center if that's okay.
Kay has already been an operator of a
[6:29] daycare center in Chelham Township. Very
familiar with the state licensing
[6:33] requirements and township licensing
requirements. Um she's aware from her
[6:38] experience that the number of attendees,
a term used in your ordinance, or
[6:44] children, uh is dictated by the square
footage of the site of the lease space.
[6:50] She'll be leasing 31 Eastern Road, uh a
unit that I believe is um 3,495
[6:58] square feet. So that measurement will be
determining factor of what uh how many
[7:04] children can be attendees within the
daycare center. Um
[7:10] recognizing the uh township's limitation
of 40 square ft. Um, so that's an
[7:16] entirely will comply
position that that we would accept as a
[7:21] condition that both with regard to the
township ordinance and the state
[7:25] licensing requirements of measurement. K
will comply with those dictates. So she
[7:31] doesn't have a target number of
attendees. It's going to be a derivative
[7:34] of that analysis both with the state uh
department of public welfare
[7:39] requirements and uh your ordinance
requirements. Um
[7:44] » if there was some kind of approval, you
would agree that that is a condition?
[7:48] » Yes.
>> Okay. Um there is um a uh on the site
[7:55] plan there's a proposed ex exterior
playground area and uh in working with
[8:01] Mr. Patel uh reviewing the requirements
there will be a proposed fence
[8:05] surrounding the playground area 6 feet
in height. We originally proposed eight
[8:10] realized that was not compliant. So,
we'll comply with the six ft enclosure.
[8:15] Um, there's another issue. Is this all
right if I just go through the issues?
[8:20] Okay. Thank you. There's a a dumpster in
loca near location to the playground
[8:25] area that is already planned to be
moved. Um, the difficulty is um Nina
[8:33] will tell you that she has gotten
conflicting advice from the township as
[8:37] where they can move that dumpster. uh
she wanted to move it to the Davis Road
[8:43] uh portion of the site and uh she was
told that you can't put that near Davis
[8:48] Road. So where it's another will comply
wherever we can put the dumpster away
[8:53] from the playground area. We'll work
with the township to do that.
[8:59] » So you would agree uh to uh to a
condition that you would move to the
[9:04] dumpster to the satisfaction of the
township's uh building code official?
[9:09] Yep. And that's fine. We'd accept that
condition.
[9:11] » All right.
>> U third is the parking requirements.
[9:15] Very very much aware of what the
township requires. Um if you if you look
[9:20] at the site plan uh for a moment, what I
refer to as
[9:24] » A2 E2. Yeah. A2. Uh to the right uh in
the strip center is not u this
[9:33] landlord's uh ownership. It's starting
with 31 Eastern Road least least unit to
[9:39] the left. Is that correct?
>> You're standing on Eastn Road
[9:44] » looking looking. Yeah. Okay. Um, so but
point I'm trying to orient that's what I
[9:50] like about the photos to give you
pictures worth a thousand words give you
[9:53] a sense of the local. Uh the landlord
has been waiting to uh see what develops
[9:59] with this particular unit and then we'll
repave the parking and restripe the
[10:05] parking in conformance and compliance
with the township requirements
[10:10] and then uh we'll be able to if you look
at exhibit two there is a specified
[10:15] number of parking spaces on there
already. uh they'll be restriped uh with
[10:20] with clear markings uh ground level
markings. In addition, there will be
[10:26] clear markings for drop off and and
pickup areas. Uh and Nina explain
[10:32] orienting to the photos where that drop
off and pickup area will be. Uh in this
[10:38] particular uh instance in this local
the configuration of the improvement the
[10:44] structure has that indentation which
will allow uh parents, guardians and and
[10:51] people dropping off the children to come
in away from the that flow traffic flow
[10:56] area and drop off the children. So it
almost is a I don't want to say an ideal
[11:01] location but it's a preferable location
for that. Um Nina will show you where
[11:07] the main entrance will be and orienting
to the photographs you have. And um as
[11:13] far as uh the uh Kay's aware of the
annual permit review with the township
[11:21] anticipating to comply much like
Sheltonham Township, she's aware of that
[11:25] condition and that requirement. uh she's
aware of the consent uh notice that is
[11:30] to be provided to the township that
directs the department of public welfare
[11:34] to provide township immediate notice of
any suspension, revocation or
[11:38] termination of the state license for the
daycare center. So again, that's another
[11:43] condition that we readily accept. It's
in the ordinary course of business.
[11:49] Um
[11:53] there is an existing romper room uh in
the in Nenah's uh not in Nah's company's
[12:00] ownership but again that romper room has
been in that local for a number of years
[12:08] » since pre-COVID I don't
>> yeah so in the 1990s and so the point
[12:13] I'm making there is there's no there has
been no
[12:17] issues of traffic flow, interruption,
noise, or anything of that sort
[12:22] associated with the romper room, which
will be almost next door to where 31
[12:26] Eastern Road will be.
Um, checking off my checklist, your
[12:32] ordinance has a provision that I
reviewed with Mr. Patel and the
[12:36] solicitors uh with regard to tobacco
shops. So there's an existing tobacco
[12:41] shop in the strip center in the non
nonrecord owners local except your
[12:46] ordinance as I interpreted it and I
believe Mr. Kenny agrees I think so that
[12:51] that ordinance is to prohibit a tobacco
shop from moving in on a daycare center
[12:57] not the opposite. A daycare center can
move into a local where there is a
[13:01] tobacco shop. Um so I I was concerned at
the outset when Kay engaged me because I
[13:07] was aware of that ordinance provision
and concerned with how that would be
[13:10] construed. But my understanding is uh
that ordinance provision for
[13:15] I'm going to say B
the B34 use uh that is doesn't require K
[13:22] to go before your zoning hearing. That
was what my main concern was. So, uh,
[13:27] subject to your review, uh, we there's
no need for variance relief is what I'm
[13:32] saying. Um,
[13:38] K will enter into a house into a a lease
property and with the landlord and that
[13:44] is um, uh, long-term in sense of being
there to stay and operate this daycare
[13:50] center. Um, I would mention that your uh
the county's planning commission uh
[13:56] endorses this use within the uh in
compliance with your Montgomery County
[14:02] comprehensive plan and in compliance
with um I'm not sure I know what this
[14:06] is, but my code 2040, a shared vision.
So both of those uh countywide documents
[14:12] uh allow for this use uh for daycare uh
um center operation and educational
[14:20] uses. U there is a number of um uh
recommendations to you that within that
[14:27] uh planning commission July 2 letter uh
which I've reviewed with K and uh with
[14:34] Mina. So, we're prepared to go through
them and and basically answer any
[14:40] questions that you have regarding those.
Last item, if I could, is the buffer
[14:46] requirements in your ordinance. The
problem is this is a long standing strip
[14:50] center and we own my client's landlord
owns a portion of the strip center. So,
[14:56] there's little ability to create new
buffering. uh but subject to your review
[15:02] and your uh recommendations, but it's a
it's as I said, it's a long-standing
[15:08] existing shopping center that K is
simply moving into a vacant unit, unit
[15:12] uh 31 Eastern, that unit. Um
the
[15:19] solid waste removal, we'll address that.
Um that'll be because I recognize in
[15:24] your ordinance that a daycare center is
in considered a facility much like a
[15:29] hospital or a home that cares for
people. So whatever the will comply
[15:35] whatever requirements relate to solid
waste disposal will be complied with. Um
[15:46] there is a basement in the in the lease
space. No. Okay. wrong wrong case.
[15:52] Sorry, so we don't have exterior access
issues there. Um
[15:57] just going through my my list
parking.
[16:02] Um with that, I'll introduce Kay to you
and just ask her some questions and then
[16:08] open the floor if you have questions for
K. K.
[16:11] » Hello.
>> So you heard me give a summary to the
[16:15] board of commissioners.
>> Is there anything I said that you do not
[16:18] agree with? I think it was perfect.
Perfect.
[16:21] » That's nice. Is there anything you want
to add on?
[16:24] » No, I think it was perfect. Um
I I can't think of anything that was
[16:29] missed. Um unless you guys had questions
for me that I can try to answer.
[16:35] » So I think the whole thing's put might
generate a question might answer a
[16:39] question. Sorry, the end.
>> So let me ask one more question. K. Is
[16:42] there anything you want to add to what I
said?
[16:44] » Um no.
>> Okay. There is one. Okay.
[16:48] » Hours of operation. So this this
location is in a residential mixed
[16:53] residential commercial area including
the Rog Grove Mall. So K application
[16:58] that she prepared she has proposed 6:00
am 10 p.m. Um and her view is that that
[17:06] spans the time frame that really will be
use usable if I can put it that way by
[17:12] residents wanting to have their children
uh uh cared for at the daycare center.
[17:17] Uh, I recognize that's a long period of
time, but your ordinance says um part of
[17:24] a day doesn't have a precise limitation.
And I'm not arguing that. I'm just
[17:29] saying that's what it says. And as far
as the attendees, it also says a a
[17:33] suitable number of attendees. So, I
already addressed that in terms of the
[17:37] compliance issue with the state and and
your local requirements. But those um
[17:43] those are the opening issues that I
have. And uh with that, I'll I'll ask
[17:47] Nina to step up.
[17:51] » Nina, would you um what I'd like you to
do is if you could walk through exhibit
[17:56] B1, each of the colored photographs that
we have presented to the board and to
[18:00] Michel
just explain what you see in that
[18:03] photograph. And let me ask you this. Who
took these photographs?
[18:08] » Pages.
[18:12] And I'm not
>> Someone needs to speak into the
[18:15] microphone.
>> Uh I'm not sure who took the photographs
[18:18] to be honest.
>> I received them and I had an automatic
[18:21] question that were these taken without
any alteration of what was appearing in
[18:26] the lens of the camera. The answer to me
was no. This is an act. Each of these
[18:30] photographs are accurate uh depictions
of what was in the camera lens. So there
[18:35] was no manipulation of what? Okay. So
Nina, I'll let you go and just explain
[18:40] what what is in each what the vision is
in each photo.
[18:45] » Okay. So I'm looking at the photograph
that kind of in the middle you can see a
[18:49] sign that says Paradise Halal Market
above there. Um the
[18:55] » that's the first page of the package I
gave.
[18:58] » So the doorway there's two doors. The
door directly to the left of the green
[19:04] dumpster, that's the Halal Market. uh
and career entrance.
[19:09] » The door to the left of that, it has a
31 on it. That would be uh Kay's main
[19:14] entrance where she would have uh drop
off and pick up of the children.
[19:18] » Can I interrupt you just for a minute?
So, this is the what I call the
[19:22] indentation
uh of the strip center. So, cars can
[19:26] literally pull in. And is that where the
markings, the ground markings will be
[19:31] provided? So, the cars will come out of
the the traffic flow lane of the strip
[19:35] center and be able to pull into this in
what I call the indentation area uh to
[19:40] drop off children and pick them up.
[19:49] » So, the the second photo um is mostly of
the parking lot and there's like a looks
[19:55] like an office building in the rear uh
vision of the photo. Uh all the way to
[20:01] the left side of that photo, you can see
the edge of the building and it looks
[20:06] like there's like a line kind of painted
out. This is the area where the
[20:10] playground is going to be built and
fenced in. And one of the things that
[20:15] the Montgomery County Commission had
mentioned that they wanted bowlers
[20:20] placed around the outside of the fence
and we've agreed to comply with that.
[20:25] every five feet seems to be uh the
standard from what my research shows.
[20:30] So, we will be installing those on the
outside to protect the fence as well.
[20:34] » There's another photo that has a red
square that I'll point out further. And
[20:38] is this uh
>> still on the second photo?
[20:41] » We're still on the second photo. So,
this ground area is to to the bottom of
[20:45] the photograph. is that parking area
that that um um 31 Eastern LLC controls.
[20:55] » No. So, basically the you could see
where I I mentioned this line comes out
[21:01] that if that line extended straight out
to Davisville Road and deep into the
[21:07] picture, that's what we control.
Anything from this line and behind is
[21:11] the next property owner. It's not
something that we control.
[21:15] » All right. So the vehicles in the
photograph in the middle of photograph
[21:19] that's your
>> space area and that's where you will you
[21:22] will repave that parking area and
restripe it correct.
[21:32] So, this next photo is the front of the
center uh taken from Eastn Road
[21:40] and
[21:45] it it looked like you're actually st if
you're standing where the picture was
[21:50] taken, the space 31 is directly to your
right. It's actually not in this
[21:54] picture. The rest of the center that we
own is in front of you in this picture.
[21:59] » And the reason for the photo, all the
space in front of that those shot is
[22:05] your ground area. Will that also be
repaved and restriped?
[22:08] » Correct.
[22:13] Okay. So, this next photo
um shows again the rear. This is what
[22:19] John was mentioning. The red line
uh around the back on the right side,
[22:25] that's where the playground area will
be. And you can kind of see that that
[22:30] part of the building that's ours. And
everything to the left of that is a
[22:35] different property.
[22:39] » And that the red box will be enclosed
with a six foot high fence and the
[22:43] ballards will be surrounding the
exterior of that fence.
[22:47] » Correct.
And I'll just ask you, well, I I'll make
[22:52] a representation that this work has to
be done before the state issues the
[22:57] license to allow the daycare center to
operate. So, not only would it be a
[23:02] requirement and condition of the
township to be fulfilled, it's also a
[23:05] requirement of Department of Public
Welfare.
[23:10] Uh the next picture is taken from
Eastston Road and in the middle you can
[23:17] see the
the first blue awning that's the Zulu
[23:22] vape shop. To the left of that is a
beauty supply and the beauty supply and
[23:30] all to the right is not our property.
the very just to the left of the beauty
[23:36] shop. That is the 31 Eastern Road and
that's the space that Kay would be uh
[23:42] leasing from us.
>> And and we took this photo and put it in
[23:45] the package when we weren't sure how
Zulu the tobacco shop would play into
[23:50] this. So we wanted to orient you to
where the tobacco shop was in connection
[23:54] with the lease space.
Uh the next is a photo that
[24:02] » aerial photo uh showing you the entire
property and it gives you a better
[24:07] vision of what the current parking lot
striping is. So all of that it'll be uh
[24:14] the parking lot will be resealed and all
those same parking spots will be painted
[24:18] just as they are today. We're not
lowering or increasing the parking
[24:23] spaces. It'll all be the same.
Now, while you're on that subject, as
[24:28] far as complying with the township
board's parking spaces for the daycare
[24:33] center, is the landlord uh going to
provide uh the requisite parking spaces
[24:40] to comply with the um township
ordinance?
[24:43] » Yes.
>> And so I would I would propose that's
[24:48] why I asked Nina to be here. And I would
propose that if there's a condition of
[24:52] compliance as we restripe this, we have
the landlord committing to comply with
[24:57] the condition in connection with the
property.
[25:04] » And then
is the
[25:08] the site plan
>> um which
[25:12] » exhibit A2. Yeah, A2.
Uh, and this basically shows you uh the
[25:19] center. Uh, it's the Shinghar beauty all
the way to the right from there all the
[25:24] way to the right is not our property.
Um, but everything from 31 east and to
[25:30] the left and this uh site plan is ours.
shows you uh we have the 17 parking
[25:38] spots in the front and then in the back
we've got 63 parking spots. Uh and we
[25:46] have the directional arrows
just showing how the traffic flow will
[25:51] go and where the drop off spot is at the
entrance that I had pointed out in the
[25:56] previous photograph. Um, if we are, this
is this was our best guess of what you
[26:03] guys would be looking for as far as the
directional arrows. So, if there's
[26:07] something else that you want, we're
happy to comply with that to satisfy the
[26:11] township's requirements.
[26:18] » Related to that, you would condition be
acceptable subject to uh any
[26:23] recommendations from the township's
traffic engineer. Correct.
[26:26] » Yes. and and acceptable. Yep.
Um
[26:35] I think that covers all my points and so
any if you have any questions of me or
[26:39] either witness
>> uh I'll start out uh quickly the front
[26:46] door will that be used at all? Drop in,
drop off, in and out.
[26:51] » Um
>> we need to come up to the microphone.
[26:55] We haven't quite decided yet, but we we
prefer it to be in the rear where the
[26:59] arrows are going to be to direct the
traffic and have a easier flow in and
[27:04] out. Um we may use it for just
emergencies or if we put a classroom up
[27:10] there, we may use that entrance. But um
as of right now, we're using the
[27:18] » uh the fence in the back. Will there be
a gate to the parking lot?
[27:25] » Mean an entrance in the gate or
>> an entrance for the inside of that
[27:29] fenced area 20 by 25
>> playground area.
[27:32] » Will there be a gate or a way to get out
of that without stop going through the
[27:36] building?
>> Yes. In case of emergencies because it
[27:41] it does back up to one of our rear ent
um entrances or exits. So, if we had to
[27:46] get out of the back, we need to have a
way to eress from the play area.
[27:54] Uh,
let me see. As far as
[27:59] the drop off
and not necessar particularly here,
[28:05] maybe your other place.
How many drop offs during prime time do
[28:12] you expect?
I know this is a guess, but you know,
[28:17] whatever your hours are, especially in
like the morning hours or whatever, uh,
[28:22] in other words, are we expecting to see
four cars waiting to drop bids off, 10
[28:28] cars? We don't know the operation that
you have,
[28:32] » right? So, it does vary on the the
schedules of the parents. Um, so
[28:36] occasionally you may get two or three
people that show up at the same time.
[28:40] Some days are running late or been a lot
of days are running late.
[28:44] But um they it varies. It it does vary.
Um most of the parents will try to get
[28:52] there by the drop off time which will be
9:00. We have a grace period of 9:15 to
[28:58] arrive so we can get our day started. So
roughly
[29:03] I guess between 8 and 9 is the busiest
time
[29:06] » in the morning.
>> In the morning.
[29:10] » That's all I have for you. You have a
little dimensional.
[29:12] » Okay. As far as uh the dimensional on
your plan, you show the parking along
[29:21] the front of the building.
>> You don't
[29:25] get
>> Yes.
[29:26] » You don't show the parking spaces that
are along the sidewalk on that plan, but
[29:34] they are striped as parking spots next
to the sidewalk
[29:38] as of now.
>> Yes. Uh we didn't include those because
[29:44] we are looking in the next year or so to
actually uh put a pylon sign hopefully
[29:51] in the front and if we put a pylon sign
we have to eliminate those. I think it's
[29:55] two maybe three spots there. So I didn't
want to include them in the anticipation
[30:01] that they'll likely be eliminated.
>> Try to find your pictures to hear.
[30:06] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know what you're
talking about. And when we looked at
[30:10] we've engaged with a sign company and
we're waiting on drawings back, but in
[30:15] our looking at it, the only place for us
to put a pylon sign is kind of in the
[30:20] middle of those spots and that just
basically eliminates them all. Uh,
[30:26] do you feel there's enough
parking here as it sits as the land and
[30:35] say manager of the property to add this
business in?
[30:40] I do the and especially because
I've been at the center multiple
[30:48] different times during the day, morning,
afternoon, late afternoon, and
[30:54] we have it. I've never seen the parking
lot even 3/4 full. it just the the uses
[31:02] that we have in there now. They're just
there's not a lot of
[31:08] cars that park there. It's more uh in
and out type thing. Uh so I definitely
[31:14] think that it won't be an issue.
>> So now here's the question. Where your
[31:20] drop off is inside of the little 90
degree area. Uh you have a it looks like
[31:27] two parking spaces there. uh where the
drop off pickup is between the building
[31:33] bump and the entrance door.
>> Correct.
[31:38] » Are they essential parking spots? Are
they handicapped or anything? Because if
[31:44] we're having cars pulling in, dropping
kids off there and stuff, you might have
[31:50] a car there backing up. You know, you're
trying to get in there. Uh are is that
[31:54] spot I think you chose two of them
central to this to your shopping center?
[32:01] » I don't believe so. And if you you would
like us to eliminate them or maybe make
[32:07] them only for drop off.
>> It's only coming from me. Everybody else
[32:11] might have other questions. But yes.
>> Yeah.
[32:13] » I don't want kids with a movement where
a car could be moving in and out or
[32:17] break there when it's really enclosed
three sides.
[32:21] » Yes. No, it's it's two spots. I don't
think it it's not going to make or break
[32:26] anything.
>> My last question to you is you're going
[32:28] to pave the front well both front and
back,
[32:32] » correct?
>> Are you going to do anything to the
[32:36] sidewalks
in a little disrepair out front along
[32:40] Easter road while you're paving?
>> Uh, honestly, we haven't looked at it.
[32:46] If it's something that uh is required,
we will take care of it.
[32:51] » Okay. Just general question. That's all
>> with that.
[32:57] » Anybody here? Sure. Yeah.
>> All right. In addition to the interior
[33:02] space calculation perennsylvania law,
there's also a requirement for the
[33:08] outdoor play space. How many kids can
you fit in that pro proposed play space?
[33:15] In the outdoor play space, we're looking
maybe between 10 and 15 children.
[33:20] » And what would make it 10 and what would
make it 15?
[33:22] » The ages of the children. So, um, every,
well, you have infants, young toddlers,
[33:28] older toddlers, and preschoolers. And
they require different spaces based on
[33:31] their age or square foot.
[33:36] And
[33:39] getting back to the interior calculation
[33:44] that is a we need something to go on to
understand the amount of traffic that's
[33:50] coming in and out of this facility
and
[33:56] I are is there no estimate that you can
make based on knowing that you will have
[34:01] an office you will have this sort of uh
equipment uh uh you know those items
[34:07] that are taken out of the calculation
for the amount of space you have. So do
[34:12] you have any idea with with a good
degree of
[34:18] uh confidence how many children you're
looking to serve?
[34:22] » Um I will I will estimate maybe 40. I'm
not sure because
[34:28] some spaces um they deduct space for
like bathrooms hallways and so the
[34:34] depending on the configuration that we
decide to use to maximize the space will
[34:40] depend on that.
>> I I can answer that a little bit more
[34:44] fully if you will. Your section 35019C4F
of your ordinance does say you exclude
[34:52] uh hallways, kitchen areas, bath areas,
staff areas, and utility rooms. So I
[34:59] believe that's consistent with the DVW
requirements. And so that is a will
[35:03] comply and that will whatever that
calculation is for this specific space
[35:08] will dictate
the number of children that will be
[35:12] allowed to be on premises.
Well, that that's not leading to any
[35:16] sort of compliance by telling you you'll
take those items out of the calculation.
[35:21] » No, I'm saying it'll it'll reduce in
other words, it is a it is a limited
[35:26] calculation but not on base not on total
floor area but on dedicated floor area.
[35:32] So Kay already understands that what
that calculation what the product of
[35:37] that calculation will dictate in terms
of the number of children that can be on
[35:42] premises.
>> Right. So we all we all read that but
[35:46] that's that's not getting us any further
to complying. So
[35:49] » it's it's vacant space. It's going to be
fitted out and that's part of
[35:53] » it's going to be Yeah. Yeah, we don't
have we don't have a plan to react to to
[35:57] say uh okay I I I understand your plan
to have x number of children
[36:04] um and
uh it it you know it could vary by a few
[36:10] here or there based on this or that I
don't have anything to go and without
[36:14] that why it's important to me is that in
order to understand um and assess
[36:21] parking safety egress and ingress
um you know the amount of of pedestrians
[36:27] that are going to be there. We need we
need actual plans. We need something
[36:31] something concrete to go on. I
absolutely understand that. Um however,
[36:38] until
K receives approval for a particular
[36:41] site, the state won't get involved and
do the computations and do a site visit.
[36:47] And so we're it's the chicken and the
egg situation. One of the things I would
[36:51] recommend or propose is that we have a
post approval condition of complying
[36:58] with the oversight by Mr. Patel or or uh
or your your solicitor.
[37:07] » Yeah. Yeah. So, I I'm not trying to
dodge your question. We just don't have
[37:12] a definitive answer right now. Right.
They
[37:17] » Yeah.
Um
[37:22] I I want to confirm that you're saying
you cannot add any sort of landscaping
[37:27] or streetscaping of any kind.
>> Are we adding it or
[37:32] » No, there there's a requirement for
buffering. But you
[37:36] » the the
98% or 99% of our property is currently
[37:45] concrete parking lot or building.
There's a little strip along Davisfell
[37:49] Road between the parking lot and the
road itself. There's
[37:54] nowhere to be able to put anything
[38:03] » and none of the surrounding properties
have anything either.
[38:09] Um,
[38:13] and I think what we're looking at there
is the strip of ground you have on
[38:16] Davisville Road in the back of it that
you could possibly put a tree or two
[38:22] along Davisville Road.
>> What's the width of that strip?
[38:27] » I don't know the width of it.
>> I don't know, but
[38:33] you'd be wrong.
[38:37] It's
>> I mean part of our problem with if we've
[38:43] planted something, we don't have the
ability to water it and make sure that
[38:46] it stays alive.
Uh we just don't do not have the
[38:51] capacity to
um and if we plant something and then it
[38:56] dies then it's
I don't know how we maintain it to be
[39:01] honest. I'm not
trying to be difficult with that piece
[39:06] or anything, but it just seems very
difficult for us to maintain.
[39:13] With regard to the ballards around the
play area, I
[39:19] I would expect to see a plan. You expect
you to show up with a plan since we knew
[39:25] that that is a requirement uh to to have
safety around that play area. So, it's
[39:31] also hard to assess if uh what you're
saying is adequate because it's not
[39:38] really a plan that's been submitted to
us.
[39:41] » But but we offered it as a condition
that we would comply with the the both
[39:46] the uh planning commission's
recommendation and your requirements for
[39:52] ballards in a dimensional pattern around
the uh exterior fenced program.
[40:00] I understand.
[40:04] » But we're making an offer of of
commitment.
[40:07] » Explain the offer again one more time to
the board. Explain the offer to the
[40:11] board.
>> The offer is to comply with uh the
[40:14] recommendation of a county planning
commission in terms of installing
[40:17] Ballards around the fence playground
area and whatever your director of
[40:21] planning
>> official such as the building code
[40:24] official and or the township engineer or
traffic engineer.
[40:27] » Correct.
[40:30] Um, with regard to traffic, uh, has any
engineering uh, staff member or K or or
[40:38] um, council or anyone taken a look at at
these plans to determine
[40:45] uh, the recommendations about whether
they think it's it's it's safe or not.
[40:51] » We have not uh, engaged traffic study
engineer. uh this is a that we're
[40:57] replacing a tenant within this space and
uh
[41:01] » the use
>> this is a use application
[41:03] » permitted use and this
>> right
[41:07] I would point out though just to step
back that the exhibit A does have a a
[41:12] box legend about the ballards committing
to the ballards on this on this plan as
[41:18] » pretty vague I get commissioner saying
that
[41:24] Well, what I'd see is a five foot
intervals on all three sides of the
[41:27] exterior of the playground enclosure. If
that as an example, if if five feet is
[41:33] not adequate in your view, we'll we'll
put them in whatever dimension.
[41:37] » Obviously, the commissioner would talk
to our township professionals and
[41:41] consult with you and getting together
obviously a safe plan.
[41:44] » Right. Right. If the board if the board,
you know, imposes that condition and
[41:51] there's an approved
>> and we would work with the township
[41:56] » uh daycare centers are very much needed.
I'm trying to get enough information out
[42:00] of you to be able to make the
inappropriate decision.
[42:04] » And and commissioner, the only thing
I'll say is that there's seasonality to
[42:07] this application. So we're we're not we
Kay filed it uh actually before I was
[42:13] engaged and and in March and so we've
been trying to react. I think um uh the
[42:20] perfectly understand the point of a
definitive plan, but what we're trying
[42:24] to say is we'll commit to those definite
requirements as as we develop the the
[42:30] lynch pin is we have to get the site use
approval, then deal with the Department
[42:36] of Public Welfare and at the same time
deal with your
[42:40] Yeah.
[42:48] I just have one about the dumpster. Uh I
know where it is now and where in the
[42:52] site plan.
What was the reasoning behind where is
[42:56] it being positioned and will will the
dump dump truck be able to sanitation
[43:01] truck be able to adequately get in with
a full parking lot to empty the trash at
[43:06] that location?
>> Uh yes. So the where we proposed to put
[43:12] it uh was as far away from the entrance
as possible and because we
[43:21] as I had mentioned like
we we can't put it in the on the house
[43:27] the edges of our property right because
the parking lot of the neighboring uh
[43:33] strip center it absuts it. So along the
Davisville Road edge is the only spot
[43:39] that we can really put it. Uh I do
believe that there is sufficient
[43:42] clearance uh to put it there and if it
would be preferred to put it uh on the
[43:50] other side of that egress.
Uh we're open to moving it wherever
[43:57] uh the township would prefer along that
Davis roadside. It's it's honestly it's
[44:02] I don't know that we have an option to
put it anywhere else. Again
[44:09] to reiterate, you'll agree to whatever
the building code official dictates
[44:13] related to that.
>> Yes.
[44:17] » Just a question. Is there any natural
light in this building other than the
[44:21] door?
>> I don't see windows.
[44:25] » There's windows in the front
>> and the side and a door is clear on the
[44:30] in the rear. Would you go all the way
back and there are no no additional
[44:35] natural light?
>> No, it's an enclosed rental unit on the
[44:39] sides.
>> I see in line. Yes,
[44:41] » I see that there were windows. I don't
know whether you were thinking about
[44:46] removing
>> previously, but currently there in the
[44:50] front I don't know if you guys
[44:59] with regard to the other tenants that
are in your property. Um like in the
[45:05] picture it shows Paradise Pal and their
door is about 3 ft away from the
[45:11] entrance to the daycare. Um, are they
upstairs? Is this the floor building?
[45:17] Where are they located? Because in none
of the other schematics, we you talk a
[45:20] lot about the store that you are on your
property, but I didn't see where that's
[45:25] specifically located.
>> So, that the door that you see that's
[45:28] kind of next to the dumpster. That's
actually their rear entrance. It's not a
[45:31] customer entrance. It's something that
they use to exit to the rear because
[45:35] that dumpster is actually the dumpster
that they use. Uh, and if you came
[45:41] around to the pictures that showed the
front, their entrance is on the front
[45:47] and it's
[45:51] you can
[45:56] um
maybe the third photo.
[46:00] » Third photo. Yeah. We're looking
>> Burger King at the end.
[46:04] » Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So they're that very
first kind of space where you can see
[46:08] that kind of green and beige column or
that next space right there.
[46:14] » You would only expect that rear door to
be used
[46:18] » by their day type low traffic.
>> Correct. Correct. Yeah. They don't they
[46:24] don't allow to use that entrance. It's
really only a business rear entrance or
[46:30] exit I guess. Could
I ask another just brief question? Sure.
[46:36] » Do you have the um authority to ask the
market next door? I noticed things that
[46:43] it looks perhaps like a a stepladder up
against the side. I'm looking at picture
[46:48] number one and the things that they have
there don't strike me as being things
[46:53] that you would want. They look like
attractive nuisances and maybe some
[46:57] danger for children. you have the
ability to ask other
[47:01] » businesses to not do that?
>> Yes, we can make sure that they clean
[47:05] that up and that's removed from there.
>> Thank you.
[47:18] » Closing anything?
>> No, just uh I think um one of the
[47:22] commissioners said the daycare was
necessary. I asked Kay what she thought
[47:25] and she said it's she has a lot of
response, a lot of reaction to her
[47:30] community about opening up a daycare
center in Upper Morland. So people are
[47:34] anxious to see if this gets approved.
You might closing remark we would ask
[47:39] you to approve this use application.
Thank you.
[47:44] » Once that's done, see if there's any
followup.
[47:48] One more thing, I would still
[47:52] along the road with some higher figures.
So, usually keep them alive long enough.
[47:57] Uh, and you don't have to water a tree
once it's actually working. Just a
[48:02] comment. Uh, anybody from public would
like to speak on this?
[48:09] Sure. Did I come up the microphone?
>> This or something?
[48:13] » About this?
>> No.
[48:14] » Oh, okay.
>> All right. With that, uh, I'll take a
[48:17] motion to close.
>> Nigel
[48:23] moved.
>> All in favor say I.
[48:27] » I.
>> So, the public understands the board
[48:31] then has 45 days to issue a decision. uh
we would anticipate that there would be
[48:37] uh within those 45 days some kind of
action and if the board was grant some
[48:42] kind of approval there would be a series
of conditions and then it would be up
[48:45] that they were acceptable to the
applicant at a time just so everyone
[48:49] understands what the process is going
forward because this is quadai judicial
[48:53] uh we can um the board can deliberate or
talk about these uh proposed conditions
[49:00] and if they want to move forward with
the approval behind closed doors just so
[49:03] folks
[49:06] I agree with that. Thank you for your
time. Appreciate it.
[49:10] » This is a general. We would be voting on
this next one.
[49:13] » Yes, we would.
>> It's not on the agenda.
[49:16] » Of course, we would we would hope that
get some consensus of the board, get
[49:20] proposed conditions. If there was some
kind of approval, get consensus of the
[49:23] board looking at those and then vote on
something or not.
[49:27] » This is closed.
>> This is closed. The hearing is closed.
[49:31] » Thank you.
Thank you. Next, uh now we'll get to in
[49:36] the regular meeting. Okay. Okay.
You won't bother us. Clean up and don't
[49:42] worry about uh public comments not
agenda items only. Now, is anything that
[49:48] you want to address to the board that's
not on the agenda? You can come up to
[49:52] the
[50:06] new to hearing aids. So I got I've been
turned way up to hear what was going on.
[50:10] Now I got to
way down.
[50:14] Sorry about that.
>> Please.
[50:16] » My name is John Dunl. Most people know
me about Jack.
[50:22] I live at 2319 Fairway Road Valley up in
township. I'm here to represent my mom
[50:27] and dad who live at 183 Lookout lanes in
the township as well. Um
[50:34] uh what what's going on there is um they
have like a problem with their their
[50:40] curve on on their their house. Um hard
to describe. It's it's we all know that,
[50:46] you know, you have your sidewalk and
then you have like what I'll call the
[50:49] apron that goes down and then you have
the curve, you know, that's about, you
[50:53] know, 6 in 8 in wide that that is
depressed at the part where the car
[50:58] leaves and goes onto the road. Well, um
those is sever is uh deteriorating
[51:04] severely and um you know it goes back
years. It's not something that just
[51:09] happened like this year last year since
um and you know I we've been kind of
[51:14] looking into it and
in 2019
[51:19] um the summer of 2019
uh there was a large project on that
[51:23] road where they replaced the water lines
uh involved from what I understand
[51:27] obviously aqua um there was repairs to
the road the roads were paved so there I
[51:33] guess there were many people in it at
the same time um And apparently during
[51:39] the time there, you know,
one must assume some somehow that the
[51:43] homeowner had some involvement somewhere
as to like what parts of the sidewalks
[51:48] or what parts of the curbs could be
addressed at that time. I don't know if
[51:52] there was cost sharing on or at that
time or what or you know something they
[51:56] said like oh we're doing this project.
Uh we know that sidewalks and the curbs
[52:01] are the homeowner's responsibility
as my parents recall it and maybe some
[52:05] of the neighbors and no not maybe some
of the neighbors recall it something
[52:10] happened that with respect to cost
sharing where they could say all right
[52:14] you know now you have the opportunity to
pick out these pieces of sidewalk that
[52:18] you want to be replaced and that's
evident by fact even on my own parents
[52:24] I got the pictures that I I sent
[52:30] I responded right now.
>> Okay. I I have some copies I took this
[52:33] afternoon. I could pass around. It's uh
>> just so you know, we do not go back and
[52:39] forth with you. So,
>> give us all your information.
[52:44] » There's no need for pictures then. So,
>> we don't want that.
[52:48] » So, there's no need for pictures then.
Good. So what has happened then is that
[52:51] the curb in their area is so severely
deteriorated and if you compare it to
[52:56] the rest of the street, it is literally
on the entire street of Lookout Lane
[53:00] where that whole project occurred, it is
literally the only one that has this
[53:05] severe deterioration to the point that
it's a safety hazard. Literally the only
[53:09] one. I took a close look at it and I
initially sent a letter to um Susan who
[53:15] represents our ward and I said, "Well,
you know, we really don't, you know, we
[53:19] can't figure out what's going on here."
I thought um either um either during
[53:24] that big project it was repaired um and
those repairs weren't done right and it
[53:28] wore down prematurely or and this is
what probably this is what almost
[53:34] certainly happened um when those repairs
were done and homeowners were given the
[53:39] opportunity to say yes or no to portions
of their sidewalk and or curbs that need
[53:44] to be replaced. This somehow got missed
and I'm convinced that that's what
[53:49] happened. Um so um um if indeed that is
what happened and I'm hoping that
[53:54] someone from the township or somewhere
maybe can help and I can do further
[53:59] research you know to find out exactly
you know if um and when you know offers
[54:05] were made to residents. Um I guess what
I'm getting at is if that was happened
[54:10] and my mom and dad missed that
opportunity. It's unfortunate for them.
[54:14] Um I I I um know what Well, I'm trying
to see if there was some some way that
[54:22] my mom and dad, you know, or or any
limited income at this point could, you
[54:27] know, is there a way that they can get
help? You know, if other projects, for
[54:31] example, are happening in the region,
they're doing the same sort of work. you
[54:35] know, maybe, you know, homeowners like
my parents or or others that that might
[54:40] have the same problem can kind of
piggy back onto another contract that's
[54:45] in the adjacent street or a street
nearby or something and and you know,
[54:49] get this corrected with some help from
the townships. Um, if if not monetary
[54:54] help, certainly help from like a uh, you
know, a standpoint of uh, you know, how
[54:58] to make it happen because it's not like
replacing or paving your driveway or or
[55:04] redoing sidewalk. This curve work is
very it's much more specific and it's
[55:09] like a different level of detail when it
comes to that kind of construction. So,
[55:13] we're kind of like kind of stuck here
figuring out what to do and if there's
[55:17] some way that they can get some, you
know, some monetary relief in the form
[55:21] of like a reduced cost um you know to
like I said piggy back on similar work
[55:27] that's happening within the township or
or do or are are the you know are is the
[55:34] homeowner actually responsible for that
little piece that that curb part because
[55:38] I had talked to um Paul took a couple
weeks and I happened to be in the
[55:44] building to pick up so many discounted
movie tickets and I went to say goodbye
[55:47] to Paul brought us up and he said,
"Well, wait a minute. The curve, you
[55:52] know, he thought he didn't say he
thought maybe that that curb somehow the
[55:58] township had a little bit more
responsibility as compared to the
[56:02] homeowner." wasn't sure at all and he
thought that it should be checked with
[56:06] um he suggested that I thought the
decision about checking with the public
[56:10] works people to get a definitive answer
to that which I have not got until today
[56:15] when I went in I found out that
apparently the curbs are responsible I
[56:20] don't have that problem I don't know
where it really falls we're just looking
[56:23] some guidance and some possible you know
some possible monetary help in the
[56:27] future u maybe piggy back on doing some
inventive way to help homeowners outlet
[56:32] my folks and others that might be in the
same situation. Not
[56:35] » would pardon me.
>> Can you give us those pictures?
[56:40] » Yeah.
>> Okay. If you would just give us those
[56:41] pictures, Miss Ps will look into it and
somebody will get back to you on what
[56:46] the board has decided.
>> Okay. I actually I talked with um uh
[56:50] Tina, right? Uh and at her request, I
emailed uh pictures to her and she said
[56:56] she would do everything she could to get
them to pass. So, so, so in essence, you
[57:01] have them.
>> You have you have them. They were sent
[57:05] about five hours from Okay.
>> I guess this No, we're not a dialogue,
[57:12] but I'd like to know when there is a
meeting where dialogue could happen. I
[57:17] think the 21st of September.
>> Second, we get September because we
[57:20] don't have a meeting in August.
>> Okay. So, I'll be at that.
[57:23] » Did you receive my email from this
morning?
[57:25] » No, I did not.
>> I sent you an email this morning about
[57:27] 9:00.
>> Oh, okay. Check your
[57:30] » Okay. Okay.
>> Just want to look at it in mind.
[57:33] » Thanks.
[57:37] » Anybody else for public comments that
are not on the agenda?
[57:43] » Okay. Uh treasures activity report. Uh
do I have a motion to approve it?
[57:49] » Motion to approve. We have a motion. We
have a second.
[57:51] » Second.
>> Okay. Uh any questions from the board?
[57:55] Any questions from the public? All in
favor say I. I
[57:59] » against move there into the record.
Approval of the meeting minutes for July
[58:03] 6, 2026.
Motion.
[58:07] » Motion to approve. A second.
>> Second.
[58:10] » Okay. Any discussion uh changes or
anything from the board, from the
[58:14] public? All in favor say I.
>> I. I.
[58:19] » Okay. We'll put that into the record.
Committee recommendations. Community
[58:24] Development Committee. Uh let me see. We
have no code enforcement lowland
[58:28] developments. The first item is a motion
to authorize township staff and the
[58:34] solicitor's office to work on proposed
amendments to the zoning code for the
[58:38] business center district uh which is
attached in our uh papers here.
[58:47] We have any
this was presented to us prior to this.
[58:53] Uh, do we have questions or any
discussion from the board on this?
[59:02] » Any questions?
>> Yeah. Um,
[59:08] » I agree. I agree.
>> We need a motion first
[59:12] since it's an agenda item. Motion
authorized or should there be discussion
[59:15] first?
>> Up to I don't know if there going to be
[59:18] a motion.
>> Uh, yeah, it should be a motion if we're
[59:21] going to move it forward.
>> Okay. because that's the way it was
[59:23] advertised. Okay.
>> So, uh I'll make the motion. I just need
[59:28] a second.
>> Second. Okay. Now, we've been discussed.
[59:32] » Thank you.
[59:36] » Yeah. Um I I reviewed the information
from the last meeting. I
[59:44] am hesitant I am hesitant to move this
forward because it
[59:51] the zoning was in place. We've had uh
couple of years at least to talk about
[59:59] it. The use is continuing. Um, and I
don't see
[1:00:05] uh I I am
not
[1:00:11] in favor of changing our zoning to the
potential benefit of one business and
[1:00:20] for no other reason that I could
discern.
[1:00:25] » Okay. Any other anybody else?
time.
[1:00:31] » I think the light industrial uses
proposed for this change are
[1:00:36] appropriate. Um I I think we need to
have a little flexibility here um and
[1:00:42] and help support the people who own
businesses in our community.
[1:00:48] Okay. Uh the only thing I will say I
think I was the one that actually
[1:00:52] brought it up to maybe look at this not
to change the zoning but add some uses
[1:00:59] but that's the way how I have put it
only because
[1:01:03] but like Sandra said it's been in place
for three years and we did two years
[1:01:08] prior to that. Uh the reason I wanted
it, we just the township gave them a
[1:01:14] hardship to move on if they get somebody
uh because we changed the zoning after
[1:01:22] they had been there for 30 years. Uh and
it would just uh since they were giving
[1:01:28] them a hardship to get, let's say, uh a
new tenant in there under something. I
[1:01:35] would not want all industrial like
industrial stuff but that's the only
[1:01:40] reason I had brought that up then
with that we don't take any other
[1:01:44] comments correct on tonight
>> could I make a comment
[1:01:48] » yeah
thank you thank you um I am more in
[1:01:53] alignment with the thinking of
commissioner Richmond in regard to the
[1:01:57] fact that this was a um wellthoughtout
change in our zoning and Um, I feel very
[1:02:05] strongly that unless we would have a
reason to want to revisit this, um,
[1:02:12] I would not support going forward with
changing our zoning.
[1:02:18] » Okay. Any other questions from the
board?
[1:02:22] With that, uh, we have a motion. We had
our discussion public. Yeah.
[1:02:28] » Do you want to say anything?
add anything there.
[1:02:33] » Pretty quickly again, Julie von
Scrapersonson from the law firm of East
[1:02:36] Vern and Gray on behalf of Industrial
Investments, the owners of the property
[1:02:41] for over 40 years. I just want to uh
reiterate again that um the zoning
[1:02:47] ordinance, the business center district
contemplates light industrial uses.
[1:02:51] That's the intent and it's also in the
comprehensive plan. So you would be in
[1:02:57] compliance with both the comprehensive
plan and the intent of the business
[1:03:01] center if you just add a couple of the
industrial uses that we're suggesting.
[1:03:05] So we're not looking for a whole
resoning or anything like that. It would
[1:03:08] be a simple text amendment to allow very
light industrial uses uh within this
[1:03:14] district which would then be able to
allow the uh my client to continue to
[1:03:18] operate businesses that he's operated
for over 30 years.
[1:03:24] Anybody
else from the public? Anybody here to
[1:03:28] comment on this?
[1:03:32] Uh, with that, I'll call a vote. Uh,
all in favor of
[1:03:40] looking into this through the zoning
code uh to add some amendments to it.
[1:03:46] Uh, please signify saying I.
>> I.
[1:03:49] » I.
>> Okay. You want to look into yes
[1:03:53] something. Okay.
>> Uh
[1:03:58] out out loud. You're an I.
>> I.
[1:04:01] » I.
>> I.
[1:04:02] » You're not I. We have three.
>> Uh opposed.
[1:04:06] » No.
>> We have two nays. Uh, in that case, what
[1:04:10] this is going to do is only have our
uh
[1:04:16] I guess we'll send it to our planning
agency and our building department
[1:04:23] and the county to see if they have some
uses. We will not change our zoning as
[1:04:30] far as uh the business district. We are
not going to give like industrial or
[1:04:35] anything. So we are just looking for
uses that can go there. Um okay with
[1:04:43] that over.
>> Understood. Thank you very much.
[1:04:46] Appreciate your time this evening.
>> Uh next motion to authorize
[1:04:52] advertisement of an ordinance amending
the zoning codes for data centers.
[1:04:58] Uh the motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[1:05:01] » A second. Any discussion from the board?
Just to be clear, uh, just so everyone
[1:05:07] understands, we don't have a fully
formed ordinance here yet. Uh, this is
[1:05:12] going to be discussed more fully at CDC.
I know some commissioners had additional
[1:05:16] comments. I was not at the meeting. I
heard from Mr. Malar of that. Those will
[1:05:20] all be addressed at I guess the CDC
meeting, but because of the timing uh
[1:05:26] and the uh MPC requirements after the
CDC meeting when this is kind of all
[1:05:31] hopefully flushed out, then we would
move to advertise sensitive planning
[1:05:35] agencies so it could be adopted in
October before the moratorum six-month
[1:05:40] moratorum comes out. So what this is a
process to move forward this is a
[1:05:45] complete ordinance is not ready. a
complete or I mean ordinances have been
[1:05:49] floated. Uh but obviously it needs more
revisions and commissioner input. Uh so
[1:05:54] before something is actually advertised
and sent to planning agencies that would
[1:05:58] happen after the CDC meeting uh next
month so everyone just understood but
[1:06:03] the reason to advertise is just to make
sure we keep it moving so we have
[1:06:07] something in place by October.
[1:06:12] » It's not a discussion. It's only so we
can advertise it to the public.
[1:06:18] Okay. Any questions from the board? Any
questions from the public?
[1:06:22] » All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:06:25] Motion passes.
>> Next. Motion to approve R 2026-17
[1:06:33] granting approval of Walmart located at
21101 Blair Road for the placement of 29
[1:06:38] portable storage units for the storage
of their holiday inventory from October
[1:06:43] 1st through December 31st. We have a
second motion. We have a second. Uh any
[1:06:50] discussion? This is something they've
done every year. They need the room. Uh
[1:06:54] we want them to have the room. Uh
usually our almost always our fire chief
[1:06:59] will go through to make sure the place
where they should uh there any questions
[1:07:04] from the board on this? Only questions
from the public? No. Okay. Uh all in
[1:07:11] favor say I.
>> I.
[1:07:12] » Against. Okay. Motion passes.
Uh next will be public health and safety
[1:07:19] committee.
[1:07:35] Okay. The committee recommends the board
of commissioners take action on the
[1:07:40] following. First, a motion to approve
resolution R26 2026-14
[1:07:47] granting police officer Brian Re and
honorable discharge from Upper Morland
[1:07:53] Township Police Department effective
June 12th, 2026.
[1:07:58] » Okay. Uh we have a motion and a second.
>> And we have a second. Any discussion
[1:08:03] from the board? Any discussion from the
public? I would just like to uh offer uh
[1:08:10] officer Brian Rams the best of of luck
and uh good good health and happiness in
[1:08:15] his future.
[1:08:19] » Thank you. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:08:22] » Against. Motion passes.
[1:08:27] » Motion to authorize advertisement of an
ordinance amending the parking
[1:08:31] restrictions on Center Avenue. Please,
Commissioner, I'd like to uh ask that
[1:08:37] the board amend this motion. Uh we do
not need to have an ordinance change to
[1:08:43] amend the parking. Uh found out today or
I misunderstood previously that we can
[1:08:49] do a temporary no parking along Center
Avenue for the section behind the
[1:08:53] Township building where construction
vehicles are entering. So, I'd like to
[1:08:57] change if the board is so interested,
someone can make a motion to um
[1:09:01] authorize us to post that section of
Center Avenue from the library entrance
[1:09:07] to um the shopping center at Route 611
as temporary no parking. It would have
[1:09:13] an uh expiration date of November 30th
of 2027.
[1:09:20] » Make a motion to
change it to what Pat's description was.
[1:09:25] Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[1:09:27] » Okay. Uh, now any questions?
>> That legal the way I said it.
[1:09:35] » Okay.
Any anybody from the public? All in
[1:09:39] favor say I.
>> I.
[1:09:41] » Against. Motion passes.
>> Motion to authorize advertisement of an
[1:09:47] ordinance restricting the use of break
retardosis.
[1:09:51] » And this is on Blair Mill Road. And for
a little background, uh this uh use of
[1:09:56] this is is done by trucks and it's
caused some noise and other concerns
[1:10:00] among the neighbors and uh study was
done uh to determine uh whether this
[1:10:06] should be um this this uh should be
restricted and we are at the point of of
[1:10:13] u approving the restriction should this
go through.
[1:10:17] » Okay. Uh we have a second.
Okay. Uh, any other questions from the
[1:10:22] board? Any questions from the public?
All in favor say I.
[1:10:27] » I.
>> Against. Motion passes.
[1:10:30] » Motion to approve letter advocating for
district court venue change. Also for a
[1:10:36] little background on this. Um since uh
the judge Mert has had his case load
[1:10:44] redistributed to other courts, the
police department and others are needing
[1:10:49] to go to three different locations uh to
participate in the cases. This has
[1:10:55] caused some
um stress uh on the time and resources
[1:11:00] of the department and we're requesting
that that be looked at um to uh
[1:11:07] consolidate the location where we our
our staff would need to go to uh
[1:11:14] participate in those cases.
>> Think we have a second.
[1:11:17] » Second.
>> We have a motion. We have a second. Any
[1:11:19] questions from any board members? Any
questions from the public? All in favor
[1:11:24] say I.
>> I.
[1:11:26] » Motion passes.
>> Motion to approve letter in support of
[1:11:30] Upper Morland swim club.
>> And again some background on this is
[1:11:35] that Upper Morland Swim Club has um
identified some noise concerns. And uh
[1:11:41] we are putting forth a uh should this
motion pass, a letter uh in support of
[1:11:47] the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission um
to uh review putting some noise barriers
[1:11:54] in a location along the turnpike where
there are none.
[1:11:58] » Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[1:12:00] » Okay. Uh any questions from any board
members? Any questions from the public?
[1:12:06] » Yes.
>> No. I bought for a long time.
[1:12:11] » We It has to be on the
speaker.
[1:12:16] » That's okay.
>> That's very interesting.
[1:12:19] » I My family or my I've been going for
years and none of my my daughters run
[1:12:24] out. But yeah, that's a real good idea.
Putting a noise barrier there. It's 25
[1:12:29] years overdue.
>> Thank you.
[1:12:34] » Any other questions? All in favor say I.
I
[1:12:37] » against motion passes.
>> Motion to approve agreement transferring
[1:12:43] a fire truck to Abington Fire Company
number one. And this would be a firet
[1:12:48] truck that is pasted its uh useful life
uh for our township. And we would be
[1:12:53] allowing Abington to be using this
temporarily uh while waiting for fire
[1:12:58] truck to arrive, a new one.
>> Okay. Uh question I'll have it chief. Is
[1:13:07] this temporary or this is permanent
>> will ultimately be permanent but when
[1:13:13] the new truck comes in in Abington it
will be placed at the training academy
[1:13:16] so we jointly can use it for training
purposes.
[1:13:22] » Uh any other questions from the board?
Any questions from the public?
[1:13:26] » I don't think we got a second.
Do
[1:13:29] » I have a second?
>> Susan.
[1:13:32] » Okay.
I'm sorry.
[1:13:34] » But uh Okay. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:13:37] » Against. Motion passes.
>> Motion to authorize township manager to
[1:13:43] seek grant funding for a crosswalk on
Turwood Road at Upper Morland High
[1:13:47] School.
>> Do I second it before I ask for a table?
[1:13:53] No. Okay. Uh, I'll make a motion to
table this to get more information
[1:14:00] uh on this uh situation that what we're
looking at here for the crosswall. Uh,
[1:14:07] so I made a motion to table it. Do I
have a second?
[1:14:10] » Second.
>> We have a second. Any other discussion
[1:14:13] on this? We're just looking for more
information. Uh, anybody from the
[1:14:17] public?
>> Okay. All in favor say I. I.
[1:14:23] against motion passes on the table.
Okay. Next will be finance
[1:14:29] administrative committee.
>> Yes. Uh the committee recommends the
[1:14:33] board commissioners to take action on
the following. Uh one, there being no um
[1:14:38] recommendations for the board on
appointments or reappointments. Uh the
[1:14:42] list of bills payable. Uh the committee
recommends the approval of the general
[1:14:47] funds checks. Uh check beginning 148175.
Ending check number 148 uh566
[1:14:56] uh totaling $3,27,000
$27,399.76.
[1:15:05] Um the escro funds checks uh with check
beginning one46 and ending in one60
[1:15:12] totaling $4,826.
And finally, the liquid fuel fund checks
[1:15:19] uh check uh number beginning 3264,
ending in check number 3271 in the
[1:15:25] amount of totaling $19,69962.
[1:15:31] Do I have a second?
>> Second.
[1:15:35] » Second. Uh any questions on any of our
checks that we build? Okay. Uh anybody
[1:15:43] from the public? All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:15:46] » Opposed. Motion passes.
>> Number three, there are no no other
[1:15:51] items. Uh number four, new business. Uh
there's a motion to approve township
[1:15:56] building change orders.
>> Okay. Uh we have a second.
[1:16:01] » Second.
>> Okay. All right. Just give us a real
[1:16:04] quick on these change orders.
>> Yes. Did Allan make the motion?
[1:16:08] » Yes.
>> Second.
[1:16:10] » No, Susan did.
>> Okay. Sorry, I didn't catch you.
[1:16:14] um [clears throat]
the curb work in front of the township
[1:16:17] building and behind the township
building along Park Avenue and Center
[1:16:20] Avenue. Curbs are in somewhat of a
disrepair. Uh some of them are 6 in,
[1:16:25] some are 4 inch width of curbs. Uh some
are higher and some are lower. That was
[1:16:30] not part of the original project of the
township building renovation project. We
[1:16:34] do have new sidewalks, new parking lots,
new building, new additions. Um the
[1:16:39] recommendation was that we correct the
curb work at the same time that we're
[1:16:43] doing work out in the street. So this
would be ratifying that change order for
[1:16:48] that work. We do have funds in our we
have contingency funds built into our um
[1:16:54] project. So uh no additional funding
would be required. However, you would be
[1:17:00] borrowing down against our um u
contingency fund.
[1:17:06] » Okay. Uh any questions from the board?
The reason I he asked me about putting
[1:17:11] it on here and looking at it and I asked
him to see if anybody
[1:17:17] thought anything different other ways.
The reason is we are tearing the street
[1:17:22] up and the
if we don't got to tear the street or
[1:17:28] the sidewalks, everything will be new to
replace this at a later date. Since it's
[1:17:34] all being done now, I felt it would be
the a good time to do it. Make the whole
[1:17:39] project, our whole property look good,
uh while they're there, and it's cheaper
[1:17:45] to do it while they're there. Any other
discussion from the board?
[1:17:50] Any discussion from the public? All in
favor say I.
[1:17:54] » I.
>> Against.
[1:17:56] » Motion passes.
>> Uh B. A motion to approve a waiver for
[1:18:00] electric permit fee for Upper Morland
Apparo Joint Sewer Authority. Do
[1:18:05] » you hear a second?
>> Second.
[1:18:07] » Okay. Uh with this in the past that
basically they're a township entity. Uh
[1:18:13] it's township that is paying for it. Uh
why would we make them pay for it? Then
[1:18:21] the taxpayers going to pay us for it for
them to raise their taxes to pay for it.
[1:18:24] So, anything that's internal to the
township uh we usually have waved them
[1:18:30] in the past with that. Anything else uh
from the board? Any questions?
[1:18:38] » Okay. Any questions from the public? All
in favor say I.
[1:18:42] » I.
>> Motion passes. Uh let's see. Uh motion
[1:18:47] to approve tax assessment appeal between
the township school district of Upper
[1:18:52] Morland and the taxpayer.
um as as written uh on on 2300 Eastn
[1:19:00] Road.
>> Okay. Uh do we have a second?
[1:19:03] » Second.
>> Okay. Uh usually with the school
[1:19:05] district uh you just follow in line with
uh their assessments. Uh anything else
[1:19:11] from the board on this questions?
Anything from the public? All in favor
[1:19:15] say I. I.
>> Against. Motion passes.
[1:19:19] » Next is Parks and Recreation Committee.
The committee has no business this
[1:19:23] evening.
>> Okay, with that uh this committee will
[1:19:28] or this board will be m meeting in
executive session after this meeting uh
[1:19:33] directly and also
I am correct by all committee people
[1:19:38] that we will have no committees meetings
in August.
[1:19:42] » Any executive sessions about personnel?
Any other subjects? Uh it is about
[1:19:48] personnel and legal matters.
[1:19:54] » Okay. Uh any other commissioner
comments?
[1:19:59] Okay.