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The meeting for tonight of the Planning Commission for Upper Providence Township, and the first thing on the agenda tonight is we need to introduce our newest member, Blair.

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I wish I didn't do that.

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Intervalent.

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Laird Intervalent.

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So welcome.

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I think you know everybody.

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Do you mean it?

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We do.

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Brian and Jen.

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I met Brian and I met Jen.

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Hi.

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I used to meet.

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Mr. Jerry, I used to do this to a few.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So I'm welcome.

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And welcome.

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Thank you.

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So I'm going to look at Jen now.

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First thing would be to move.

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I want you to approve this agenda, which is certainly a one applicant tonight, but this

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agenda will be approved tonight on the motion to approve this.

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I pause the motion.

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I'll second it.

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You're the second.

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I'll favor it.

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All right.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Then we'll take public comment on any non-agenda items.

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In a minute.

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Again, the agenda.

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No, there are.

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Next.

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Oh, I see.

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I'm sorry.

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I missed it.

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Um, non-gen items, any, uh, any, uh, anybody here to talk about something that's not

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on the agenda?

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It doesn't look like it, so we'll move on.

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So next we'll be approved in August 5th, meeting minutes, which are attached to the packet.

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And, uh,

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you've, uh, gone through them, and they had no real comments at this point.

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We'll take the motion to approve the minutes from August the 5th.

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So I think commission from August 15th.

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He knows from the 19th, which was our last meeting,

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we did not have a forum.

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So we just, oh, we have some discussions.

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So we had, we don't have to talk about the necessary.

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I just really wanted to include the packets

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of the Debra there.

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Yeah, but we had so many present, the core loss presented,

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but we couldn't vote on anything.

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But they did present their, your plan

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that they'll be coming back.

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Sometimes you actually don't win. No, okay. So the Overwatch will be coming back. That's the one I don't know rigid pipe, by the way.

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What's the flag? The flag should come out.

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Well, the flag that follows the flag.

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Flag, well, that's whatever it is.

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So we don't have the vote on that, and we'll move down to the application that Jeff sent it out this week.

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Did you fix my...

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Yes, that should be fixed. Actually, what I don't have up here is we do have to acknowledge that we've received two plans.

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One is listed here. The other one is not. The first one is we received the official application for the Cypress Place at Worcester Baptist.

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Remember we've had discussions with them. They are made a couple times.

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I was going to bring them. Yep, they've got an actual application.

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They get that in process. We'll start with the resounding or the zoning tax amendment. We'll go from there.

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and then we also just today received a minor subdivision for a tract on McDable of a McDade north of Egypt road.

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Oh, okay.

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It's a minor subdivision, there's one house there, they're taking off a lot of it in the other house.

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Okay, so I don't have to plan there, but you'll see them go out tomorrow when I formally process the applications.

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And then the church and the cypress place any day on that now

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We have to sort of get into the plans first in the end of revisions

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No, come to us first, yeah, and we'll look at the zoning text amendment first, okay, and then we'll talk to them about that

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And we'll see if the board wants to hear the next

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Okay,

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is it time to update from the supervisor immediately on the car wash down on BlackRock?

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Let's do that at the end.

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Okay.

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Discussions of future genitis.

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Okay.

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Then we'll move on to the applicant to be heard tonight.

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As our friends, they're from Fox Lane.

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They would hear what two months ago?

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Few months ago?

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Yes.

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It was a couple months ago.

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Greg Edelman here again on behalf of Fox Lane.

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and I'm here with John Morrissey and John Raffin from Foxland.

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You know Jeff with Brian and Jan.

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Good to see you.

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So when we were here in July,

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we were talking about the rich bank potential rezoning

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and there were some issues that were brought up

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by the planning commission that we spent some time looking

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into and hopefully providing some additional information

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to the planning commission for your consideration and player.

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We will highlight some of the stuff

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that we talked about again through this presentation.

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So that hopefully will give you a little bit of background

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grant information so you're not completely without some background in terms of what we're

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out of here.

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But the issues that we had talked about at the last meeting that were raised was whether

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we could add in more active adult homes, there was also some questions with respect to school

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impacts as a result of school age kids, children, and the potential residential portion of the mixed

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youth development.

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Also, obviously impact on traffic and one of the other questions that came up was dealing

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with retail and commercial and whether we could add more retail and or also have a connection

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and Jerry I think that was your comment with respect to commercial and whether the

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residential was too close to existing retail.

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So we've looked at all of those issues.

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We have a presentation that Joe's going to walk us through who's going to tell you what

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Fox Lane has looked at.

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John's going to jump in on some of the issues as well.

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So if we could just take it through and then as we get to the end obviously again get your

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reactions, your comments, your questions, where we would like to end up today, I believe

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we're scheduled to be in front of the board later in September or later this month,

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right Jeff?

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I think that's correct.

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So we'd really be looking to get some type of input from the planning commission to send

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to the board so that we can do the same presentation to them and also hopefully create enough support

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of the board to move forward into the retuning type of a situation where we'd start drafting

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to try to put something in place, assuming a planning commission and the board are on board

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with respect to doing something to change to the core of the zoning.

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So Joe, at this point, if you want to come in and take it from there, and I think we can

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go to the next slide.

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Thanks, Greg.

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Thank you very much for having us again.

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So once again, just for Blair, my name's Joe Morse, I'm one of the principals at Foxley

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homes, what I would call local on-gover based in Fort Washington, we typically build about

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a hundred homes a year in the Philadelphia suburbs, anywhere from towns, and we break the

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single families and doors town and raddener and kind of all over the between.

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John Rathins, our vice president of land development, so he's the one between the two of us that

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does all the temperature meetings and approvals and site work and all the other good stuff

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that kind of goes with it.

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So we had a chance to go back and forth with Township staff and that's what kind

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of got us to the first plan when we were here in the coastal life first.

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So roughly two months ago, and I think we all kind of left there.

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I thought we had some really good discussion back and forth, but we left there

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and they can hate, like, this is a good plan, but we could probably make it better.

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And great kind of touched on some of the key points, but just for, where mostly,

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but maybe I'll just take the first five minutes to kind of tell you kind of how we got here.

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The three parcels that we have under agreement, right there along Main Street, to kind of

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Main Street to the bottom of the page, Township Line to your left, Greenwood is kind of

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to the right.

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And then the power lines are kind of running kind of straight through it.

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The three parcels together represent 50.39 acres.

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So this is the first time that we've ever had all three parcels come in in front of a province.

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I think there's been times in the past where one, maybe two of the parcels have come in.

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But this is the first time that we've ever had a chance to be able to take all three parcels

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Connect them and be able to connect it into the you know the retail and then also to the rest of the time show

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I'm not sure if it was in 2024, but it's called the 2024

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Providence comprehensive plan

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A really really good plan. It kind of lays out population growth housing types

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what the problem has been, what they're looking to be.

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So our group has spent the last six months spending a lot of time on this comprehensive plan.

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It is really good because it's, I think it's an answer sheet.

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It's a really good guy to kind of let people see what could work in this township.

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One of the big things that came out of the content of the comprehensive plan

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is it says Main Street is identified as one of only three development zones.

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So in the upper right where you kind of see the bright red, that's the area that we're

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talking about now, which is kind of that neighborhood convenience commercial.

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So one of the comments on here, unfortunately, it's good enough, but I kind of highlighted

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the yellow, but this came directly from your comprehensive plan, it says, rezoning for neighborhood

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convenience commercial is recommended with new zoning that creates a flexibility of uses

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with a potential residential commercial and office, with a residential being closer to

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existing residential and commercial, you're commercial. So almost kind of a

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mixed-use zoning potential and that's why, you know, we're doing township staff

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and then kind of with our planners trying to come up with a good plan that we

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think would kind of work for everybody.

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Blow it up a little bit as you're kind of

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coming through Ridge Pike and May Street. Once again, township to your

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township line to your left, Greenwood to your far right kind of trap burrow to your

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far right there's roughly either 50 or 51 properties that make up kind of

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that you know NC zoning as you kind of go through there. When you start a touch

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of line kind of moving back for the first mile you definitely have some

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development maybe it's half mile. Once you get past kind of the target the storage

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area there especially on the left side it just becomes a lot more less dense,

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less development and I think talking to the township staff and looking at it, there's

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an opportunity to do something pretty cool there that might be a good little step

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instead of being kind of a revitalization of that whole kind of mainstream rich buying.

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So our hope is that we can be the ones to kind of get that process going.

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Other kind of key points of the comprehensive plan, it just talks about redevelopment should

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be directed to areas where infrastructure already exists, which obviously rich buying

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township line, proximity to 422. The big thing, what I'll probably spend more time on tonight

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is the housing diversity, needs to accommodate changing demographics in aging residents. I think

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we had a really good conversation back and forth, whether it'd be more age restricted, do we do more,

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kind of stuff I would call affordable, or first time home buyers, first time moved buyers, do you want

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You know families and the way the plan is kind of laid out is it's very interchangeable

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and I if it's me personally I'm recommending four different assets that I think would

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would all work here and then just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on what you like didn't like

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and then we'll kind of go through it but um towards the end of it I'll spend a lot more time on the

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housing and even bringing down the monthly payments of the different product because so much

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help raises you look at go go but then when you really like what does it really cost to to live there

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And then I thought that what do you need to make to be able to live there?

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So being able to kind of look at that to say, hey, hope you're making good decisions for us and for the township.

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And then the third thing, which I'll just highlight the yellow line, it says, however the zoning neighborhood commutes commercial NC is limited to primarily retail uses, which in time of publication has been a weak development market.

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Out of those three properties that we have tied up, the one on the left has been under agreement, or should say the agreement has been owned for roughly 38 years.

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One of the middles is 10 and the one on the far right is probably 4.

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All 38 years that the land seller owned their property, it's been marketed to potentially build and there's been a lot of opportunities to do something.

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Nothing's ever been done and mainly that's just based on the current zoning there.

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So coming up with something that could absolutely benefit the land seller, but then also benefit the township.

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Three separate properties, same owner, three separate properties, same owner, yeah exactly.

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So, just kind of more little tidbits from the conference and plan, just trying to, you know, kind of take a picture a little bit.

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So, when we were here last, when

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we were here last, this was kind of the plan that we looked at.

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So, I think just a quick kind of overview.

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Far right is the active adult carriages, kind of the 55 and over.

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Everything along which bike is the retail.

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We had a combination of three story, what I would call traditional town homes,

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and then three and four story stacked town homes,

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which is two units in a kind of one footprint.

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And then we have twins, which is the yellow in the back.

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Overall, we really liked a lot of things about this plan.

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We like kind of having the active adult kind of separate.

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We loved having the retail a long-range pike.

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We liked having the twins up against the existing

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single families.

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We thought it was just a good transition.

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The trails pretty much connect everything.

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And it's okay, can I just walk over to you guys here?

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I mean, if I do this way, the really kind of nice thing

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about this plan is you have the pico easement through here.

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We're showing trails all the way through with the active

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and dull, you have the pickleball courts, trails

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kind of coming up through here, through here.

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But realistically, you have the touch of easements

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and bones and ground up above.

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So be able to tie in kind of that part of upper province

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and literally be able to get them to be able

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would call me down here, down this way,

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potential retail here, connecting to the retail here.

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John will talk about it a little bit

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when we talk about some of our traffic analysis

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and stop late here and get people across this way.

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It couldn't make this very walkable

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not that you're walking through a park or anything like that,

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but it wouldn't be crazy to be able

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to connect different parts of the township

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and make it really kind of a really nice kind of walkable,

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especially if we figure out a way to get some

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and kind of sit down, brush, brush, and some...

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So, there was a lot of things we really liked about this plan, but the next plan, we liked it more.

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So, the comments for the last plan. So, here's your title, here's kind of rich play, kind of going through here, bank of the American kind of sits here. So, where the comments was, hey, how do we connect all of this? So, in this plan, we end up through the road connecting this way, and we showed the road connecting this way. We did talk to the owners of this property.

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They would have some interest in doing some kind of partnership on this side.

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Whether we have a partnership already, they like the idea of connecting both retail properties.

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So the thought process, obviously, they have the light there, but it would be very easy

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to be able to drive all our home owners, whether they're walking up to the beer store, or

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the personal fitness, or doing grocery shopping at Lighthouse.

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It could be a really nice convenience for all of that, and they don't actually really

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I should have landscaped that and kind of making it so us tied all this in to our retail.

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I think it actually be really nice.

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So that was number one.

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Number two, there was in sort of, we had residential down a long year.

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We took all that residential, we put the retail up through here to try to give a little bit

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of separation between the residential homes and the Lido.

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We ended up adding another 15,000 square feet of retail.

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So on the last plan, we had 45,000 square feet.

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I think a couple of board members that today we'd love to have some more retail.

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So we ended up doing additional retail by adding some additional stuff here, a bigger

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building here, still incorporating kind of this open space.

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I'll talk about a little bit later to have a blow up other, but that could be whether

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you have Friday, 6 o'clock yoga class or you get a little farmer's market, I'd hear it

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doesn't look that big.

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it's actually pretty good size where playing it yet in 60, 70, 80 people hanging out of your

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first small concert. You'd be able to do that. You'd have a sidewalk going all across

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Main Street kind of bridge pipe all the way this way and play a set before. So from that standpoint,

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we thought this worked. Now on this plan, we're showing all stack towns and one of the conversations is

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you know sometimes you need the residential to help drive the retail so we

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ended up going from roughly I think it was like 231 units to 256 units the

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footprints we added some buildings here but the footprints for the three

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story towns first the four-story stack towns they're both 24 Y by 50D so if

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for some reason we said hey we really love I'll go into more detail in the

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housing a little bit but we said hey we love to turn a couple of these stack

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into three-story town buildings, because that may be better for young families.

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We can interchange them either way to be able to make that work.

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So we have a little bit of flexibility to kind of play around with that.

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But ultimately active adults here, retail law here,

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were in vision kind of that sit-down restaurant, which I think township staff would say,

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this part of our proponents really doesn't have that place where you can go and have a sit-down restaurant

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and be able to grab a meal and a drink on a Friday night.

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So we envision trying to do something like that over here more than resident or the retail kind of similar

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Maybe what you see a little farther down this way on the other side a really nice boulevard as you kind of come up through

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And it's a nice separation

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But you get a little bit more height as you come in the neighborhood and then two story as you go back to transition

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Into the single family's

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whole area and get out of their development

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Technically to so

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Well, forget it, forget it's in the shopping center area.

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Yeah.

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So right here, kind of, we're clients at.

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Well, that's retail.

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Yeah, we would consider.

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Somebody comes out of the red.

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Yeah, that is more of a retail.

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I mean, I'm talking about all these.

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There's only a pair to be one exit.

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Going over the power lines from both directions.

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It's coming out into one major exit point.

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I'm going to go over to the right, right here.

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So I don't even necessarily need to focus in that area

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from all the residents.

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They don't want to deal with the retail stuff.

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They don't want to go into the shopping area.

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They just want to go out on the rich bank.

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So if they thought they just want a bond rich bank

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and they don't want to drive by the retail,

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they thought they'd come out here and come out this way.

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So all those homes.

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Yeah.

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Okay, the one pinnacle, and what are we going to do with that road traffic place?

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Where it comes out?

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Yeah, I probably disagree with you on that though.

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We always envision this being kind of more of a boulevard as you kind of go up in.

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Well, I don't see that.

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It was a boulevard, I mean.

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Yeah, this is a road coming down through here.

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And there must likely be a traffic light here.

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We call it a little bit wider.

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Exactly.

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Two lanes either way.

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It's going to be a little bit bigger

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because you have the retail component of it.

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But with the mix use, we can retail in the front of the

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residential and the back.

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We wouldn't envision anyone having an issue with the neighbors,

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you know, come out of his house here coming down this way

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and make it a right.

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And we don't have to.

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But people come into the retail area.

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And so he says, I don't care.

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I'm going to deal with that.

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I want to go somewhere else.

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I mean, I have real problems with this prep.

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Okay, fair enough. We do have a traffic analysis that we're happy to go through.

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So if you're a partner with Lyton, you're thinking, right? Definitely talking to them.

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They're open, they were open to say such for them. I wouldn't think what exactly they come to their store.

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But so they couldn't, so the yellow, the top of the top, the top policy, you know, just what the townhouse is, right?

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kind of been during the twins.

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Between, yep.

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They had to go out the back way,

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how through past life,

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almost kind of like behind by them.

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Exactly.

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And then this, that's a narrow two lane.

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I don't know what it's been.

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I've been sitting on the red dumpsters behind life.

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Yeah, I've got that.

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So you know what I'm talking about?

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And that's what it is.

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I actually drove there last night,

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and I spent about an hour just kind of a trip.

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They must have planned for when they get into

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two points, two lanes.

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But they actually have stop signs back there, too.

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and then they have a separate lane for the dumpsters where they have been blocked off separately.

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They've done a really good job.

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I'm not saying I think I meet personally, I think our homeowners would be totally fine coming down here.

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I don't think anyone would push back, but they thought that you have one access.

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If you wanted them, you'd have two access.

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If you wanted them to have the third access, you could have that as well.

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We, you know, with any kind of mix-use neighborhood, the benefit of living there is hey,

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you could potentially, on a Friday, come home and be able to walk to retail

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ingrab data here or potentially drop off your dry cleaning or you know let us

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get your hair done. That's the benefit of this kind of walkability. The

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trade-off of having to drive by the retail. I don't I don't think any of our

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homers we push back on that.

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What's the total number of units?

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It's 256. It's 256, it's 256. That says, you know, two cars. My

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big issue here is it

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doesn't seem to be much of a, and Ridge Pike is a danger, so a kind, or a climb road,

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there's more accidents on a climb road right there, right where the, where the retail is,

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Township Line, and if you go a little further down, Penny Packer is down there.

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So, this one's ahead, I had a big problem with the traffic.

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So, if it's fair, if we talk about traveling a little bit, just John will cover all the traffic

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stuff, and I'll let you be up on John, he'll have to go, he's a little better on the traffic

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I guess back then I am, it just gives like 10 minutes

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and we'll kind of get to the board.

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Any other questions on this play at our thought process?

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We need to kind of blow up here so you can kind of see

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the logo of the town center where the thought is

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that could be a place, kind of a gathering place.

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You know, people kind of hang out,

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find the retail, type of the residential,

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kind of into that mixed-use field.

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Does this kind of minor issue,

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but you mentioned being thick of all,

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I mean, how do I rate it?

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Yes, I'm the carriages here.

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Yes, the thought is these are age restricted

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So it's kind of that empty nest or buyer

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They're roughly what we call carriages first floor owners bedroom

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So one of two bedrooms on the first floor and one of two bedrooms on top at no more than three bedrooms

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But the expectation is those are all your moved out buyers. You

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waited sound fencing

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Sorry, yeah, sorry

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Yeah, we would probably do some additional landscaping and some of the other stuff

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We've done pickables in several of our neighborhoods.

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We haven't got any pushback yet on noise,

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but people don't want the noise out,

402
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so they're going to go to a different network

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and other developments, not in our township.

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People that have real problems.

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Really nice.

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Thanks for all the comments.

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Thank you.

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What did you say?

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If or somebody you guys want to go on board,

410
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it's up to you.

411
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Yeah, it's up to you.

412
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Yeah, it's up to you.

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We put any kind of open red that you want there, what you do, anything that you want.

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You have dog parks, you want, where do you want to go?

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The pickable is a nice idea, but yeah, the pickable is the most popular.

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The pickable would be private to the development, and also they would be lit at night, so they

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you know, it wouldn't be able to be used at night. So when it is your own

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residences and attempts to alleviate problems, they'd have with the place, but like

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Jeff said, any amount of need would be acceptable, just here for feedback.

420
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So Jeff, you might go down one more time. This was just kind of an idea. This is a

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project over at Lane Wharton. This is Ellis Deserve, down in Newtown Square, but

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we're just trying to give an idea between kind of the open space, the retail,

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know, potentially having some restaurants and some kind of sit-down seating.

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We could see that there may be some kind of metal, little emergency services, doctors

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office, those kinds of things in the retail side of the property.

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And then just to kind of show it on a bigger scale, so this is the light up here, that's kind

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of the shops at Upper Brock, and then we just kind of laid out exactly, which we showed

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on the plan, but where the two entries is, which is the road you're talking about in

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the back, that actually takes through, but it is interesting, they definitely plan for

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you kind of see the pull of our as you go up, and there's stop signs back there, which

431
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in all the time I've been doing this, I've never seen that before, but obviously it was

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pretty well thought out before that they must have figured that they were going to have

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people drive in that way.

434
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I'll put it back on that, when that development came in, we made them put in a row design

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tantrum standards back there for a connection between township line down and climber down

436
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the padbacker.

437
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It's generally official map.

438
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We talk about it on the official map.

439
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It's designed to be the relief row for that portion of replaying.

440
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Does that make sense for a library?

441
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Sure.

442
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So that or not, it works with their development.

443
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That's another question.

444
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And we have to work through that process.

445
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Well, that was the plan for the library,

446
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and trust me, it shops up in problems, retail sites.

447
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It was an argument.

448
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I don't know, a couple of years.

449
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So that makes sense.

450
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So ultimately, where we just try to drive the point across,

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that one way or another, we'll figure out a way to be able to connect

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to the current Johnson Center to make that all seem

453
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There's like one larger project and then when we knew last time we just had a

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become with kind of like a third potential option. This really is very similar to

455
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option number two on the right side. If for some reason the temperature today we

456
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don't want that much retail. We like less retail. We would have to put town homes on

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kind of the right side as well. That means 292 homes and back to 45,000 square feet of

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retail. We think and we think the tablet likes would like version two better or go

459
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option two which is absolutely less units or retail so I wasn't going to spend

460
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too much time on that unless somebody felt very strongly but our thought is

461
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option two is probably our best best option at this point.

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So the last thing I'm

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going to kind of touch on and then I'll turn it over to John to talk through kind

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of the traffic, and the fiscal, and all the school age info.

465
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:32,060
Like, one of the comments in the comprehensive play

466
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:33,320
and which I was just going to read it said,

467
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,080
a broad cross section of the price he will allow

468
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,580
for entry level first time home buyers, families,

469
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:39,020
and anti-nastures to have a place

470
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:41,600
to accommodate changes in lifestyle economics

471
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,320
and housing needs without going out of the township.

472
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,180
So we spent a little time in the housing the last time,

473
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:48,820
but we didn't spend a ton of time on the housing.

474
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,460
And when I talked to our group, and it just got to be,

475
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:58,860
I mean, like full disclosure, other provinces, a great township, a lot of people want to live here.

476
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:02,380
You can put a lot of different housing types here, and it would do well.

477
00:29:03,020 --> 00:29:08,080
You just have to figure out what's the right one that works for you, that will work for the neighbors,

478
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,440
that I've still ultimately works for the land seller, and try to come up with something that both of

479
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,120
the works for everybody.

480
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,020
So, when we talk through products, the four that I thought all could work here,

481
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Jeff, you might go down one more time was what we call a three or four stories

482
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,560
stack townhome. So with a stack townhome there are either three or four stories.

483
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,920
There's two homes per building. So the first unit is kind of the first two

484
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,480
floors and then the second unit is directly above it. You need to get a second and

485
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,660
third floor. It could be the third or fourth floor. If anyone, because the second

486
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,980
Counts are, I wouldn't say new, but they're newer, especially in this area.

487
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,700
I have some floor plans that I could show you at the end if you want to kind of understand

488
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:56,760
how it works, but usually the lower units, two bedrooms, the upper units, three bedrooms,

489
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,700
they're not giant, they're roughly 1,600 square feet.

490
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:12,800
We would expect that the average sales price of our estate out to be roughly $460,000, that we have one-car koragge is, I each would have one car.

491
00:30:13,460 --> 00:30:21,480
So because it's $24 by 50 it's each one-car koragge of the back, almost I get two stories out, and I said they'd be an algorithm for that.

492
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:28,440
And so you can kind of see how it all works. This is primarily what we consider our entry level for time home buyer.

493
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:39,520
you might get some, you know, some singles that could be between, you know, 35 and 45, but historically it's kind of that actually level first time on buyer.

494
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:49,000
I just heard something the other day, the NHP came out with in 2025, the average age of the first time on buyer is 35.

495
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,580
Ten years ago, that was like 28.

496
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:56,740
So a lot of different reasons, pricing, you know, people get married later, all the other stuff.

497
00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:01,520
But, you know, when we look at it, you know, our sales reps are really, what's the monthly payment?

498
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Like, 460 sounds great, but what interest rates are at 6 and 3.25% and I have 20% down.

499
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:11,520
And a lot of times that might be coming from parents or gift or something else.

500
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,340
You know, what's really affordable?

501
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,260
So, I put that out on there too.

502
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:23,720
So, a roughly monthly payment, which is taxes, monthly HIV, everything to live in one of these units

503
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,780
it should probably spend in $3,200 a month to live there.

504
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,720
What's the height of each day units?

505
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:34,760
So anywhere from 35 to, like, 43 feet high.

506
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:35,240
That's

507
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:40,450
our typical residential scratch

508
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:43,110
for this,

509
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:46,130
so to do it, what we'd be writing is only

510
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:48,310
more than scratch, essentially, to do this.

511
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:50,850
So if that's the part of it, then we agree

512
00:31:50,850 --> 00:31:52,630
that they could put there, that would be the high.

513
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:53,890
So right now it's 35.

514
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:58,630
Generally, yes, our ordinance allowed for 35 feet forward.

515
00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:04,370
I would have to look, maybe it's different for a staff townhouse that we just approved.

516
00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:05,510
Over there.

517
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:07,110
It could be different for that item.

518
00:32:07,390 --> 00:32:08,550
I don't remember that kind of detail.

519
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:09,110
I don't know.

520
00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:14,220
There's a very interesting question.

521
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:18,760
Joe, who is, I know you said, Cinco 35,

522
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:24,260
the second, the second, the third-fourth forward.

523
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,080
I mean, it's a lot of state.

524
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,000
So I did my first town of Mayburn in Urbana, Maryland in 1999.

525
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,500
Back then, I thought it was more of an affordability because it got you to a lower price point.

526
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,720
It was lower than the town else.

527
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:52,680
What happens is once you have a stroller, you're probably not going to the second floor.

528
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:59,620
But anyone that's just married, you know, until you kind of have your first kid, now we had people with

529
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:03,040
thrillers, but because you're going on two levels of stairs with your groceries,

530
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,780
stroller, anything else, you know, usually it's somebody, you know, a little bit younger,

531
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:13,680
that's okay with taking the steps, but I understand that. I guess even a younger person,

532
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:19,540
I don't see why they were going to do the same thing. You have experience, I don't, yeah, it's not, it's not a criticism,

533
00:33:19,740 --> 00:33:22,040
it's more of just, I don't understand somebody wants to do that.

534
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,220
It's almost a little bit kind of evening of whether it's in New York City or Philly and these

535
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:31,540
walk-ups, whether the three, four, five stories. You know when I was about 20s I lived in DC and

536
00:33:31,540 --> 00:33:36,420
lived on the fourth floor and walked up the staffs and so it's more of a nice out. The wind here

537
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:41,680
with that kind of mix use is because you're kind of trading the location and maybe the compromise

538
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,900
of having to walk up some staffs, but having everything so convenient that you could park your car

539
00:33:45,900 --> 00:33:49,440
on Friday night and walk to some things and jump on some trails and see much stuff.

540
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,580
So, yeah, I agree, that's not true, I think.

541
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,040
And they've given that to you saying it's a takeoff.

542
00:33:55,180 --> 00:33:56,260
It's a little bit of a takeoff here.

543
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Plus, you can do a little lower price point,

544
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,400
which you'll see when I show you the towns.

545
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:00,720
Yeah, it's $6.7, right?

546
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,480
It's $6.7, for sure.

547
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,080
Right.

548
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,320
Oh, no.

549
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,840
Jeff, do you mind going to the three stories, though?

550
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:11,020
So then you go kind of the three story towns,

551
00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:12,600
which is more your traditional, which

552
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,880
would you see all over kind of the Philadelphia suburbs.

553
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,880
But then you're three bedrooms, two

554
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,160
have to three bathrooms. Now you're 22 hundred to 27 50 square feet with

555
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,000
optional roof decks for the lifestyle stamp. We can expect to have a shell

556
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,520
space of these being closer to 585,000. Now you go from the one car garage now you

557
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,160
went to the two car garages. You're still going to have first time home buyers, you're

558
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,300
going to have some young families and then you're going to have some I put signals but

559
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:43,200
whether it's divorced, whether it's you know somebody in their late 30s or

560
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,680
in the early 40s that hasn't married yet.

561
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,220
So I've built thousands of towns between Washington,

562
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,640
to see it in the early summers over the last 25 years.

563
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,560
It's a great product.

564
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,020
Works for a lot of different buyers.

565
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,540
Once you get to a certain age,

566
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:58,100
obviously the three stories down in the steps,

567
00:34:58,460 --> 00:34:59,440
kind of the same thing because you'll walk

568
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,040
with the bedrooms, but it's a great product.

569
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,880
Now in today's market, 20% down,

570
00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:06,460
63 quarters interest rate.

571
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,880
That's a 4,059 payment a month.

572
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,840
So, kind of think that we're, you know, kind of catching up a little bit from the 3300 up to the 4,000.

573
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:22,780
Next up are what we call kind of a two-story twin town hell.

574
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:25,700
We make them, they look like single families.

575
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,860
They would be two of these attached, we're just showing them one.

576
00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:34,360
Now you're going from, you know, three or four bedrooms, same thing, two and a half to three and a half bathrooms.

577
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,360
2016, 5th unit, 2015, 2015, 15 square feet,

578
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,040
optional finish placement.

579
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,840
Every sale's place is close to 725,000,

580
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,360
two cargo Rodgers, 1st single buyers,

581
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,860
single over adults,

582
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,460
and then you get down to that one down buyer,

583
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:51,580
kind of the empty nester,

584
00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:53,500
but they talk about a lot of not even a comprehensive man.

585
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:56,340
Here we look at you estimated monthly employment,

586
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,780
close to like $5,000 a month,

587
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:00,420
so now you're kind of ratched up.

588
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,820
What I will tell you is the twins in the fairly suburbs

589
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:08,320
now are super popular because you get two story living, you know, I have all the steps.

590
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,340
You get option to finish off your basement, which gives you a lot of extra square footage.

591
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,660
Our homes live like a single family.

592
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,780
If you look at it within a mile of our site, WB did a neighborhood, total brothers did a neighborhood,

593
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:24,300
and the total brothers is the other side of making sure you do their new neighborhood.

594
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:29,620
But when you look at kind of what WB and Toul have done, I mean, ever since the price of those

595
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:32,520
houses are anywhere from like a billion to up to like a million, six, seven.

596
00:36:33,060 --> 00:36:34,020
We've heard, we've heard.

597
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:34,420
Yeah.

598
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,620
So now all of a sudden, you can get some good square footage.

599
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:40,340
Maybe you can't quite afford that single family yet.

600
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,920
But now you can get kind of these twin owned.

601
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:45,780
You only have some of them on one side, so you know, a little bit more privacy.

602
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,940
It just is a really good product.

603
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,500
Anywhere we've built it, they've always done really well.

604
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:51,960
Customers always really like it.

605
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,500
So from that standpoint, that's the twin.

606
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,720
And then the last one we have to go is our active adult,

607
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,760
which this would be only for $55,000.

608
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,080
Same thing, three bedrooms, two bathrooms,

609
00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:04,800
three bathrooms.

610
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:09,140
Now you're $2,650 square feet up to $32,000 square feet.

611
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,440
Most of the living, those on the first floor,

612
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,460
optional finish basements.

613
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,780
We expect the average sales price to be $125,000,

614
00:37:17,220 --> 00:37:18,280
two car barrages.

615
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,060
Here, you're all without buyers,

616
00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:21,860
empty nesters.

617
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,260
Everybody that wants to stay close to the kids and the grandkids.

618
00:37:25,260 --> 00:37:31,180
And what we're seeing now is everybody that's moved away and went south not everybody, but a lot of our buyers.

619
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,260
So this is our neighborhood in Bluebell, which was very successful.

620
00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:40,100
We probably sold four or five a month for, you know, close to 12 months, so we were sold out.

621
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:42,220
And we probably didn't sell seven or eight every month.

622
00:37:42,740 --> 00:37:46,220
But we just can't build them that quick, so we were kind of that four or five a month.

623
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,540
But a lot of our buyers in there ended up being people that had relocated and then had come back.

624
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,280
Or it sold to bigger houses.

625
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,940
But so it's kind of the same thing, it's that, you know, when you look at the population

626
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:03,400
trends and what's kind of put out of our province, that's the point we thought the active

627
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,900
dome, the pretty active dome component into this neighborhood would make a lot of sense.

628
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:17,360
Eight questions about the plans or the house types before I turn it over to John to kind

629
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,160
of get into that.

630
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:19,720
Good stuff.

631
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,380
Nice job.

632
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,000
Okay.

633
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:21,880
Thank you, guys.

634
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Good evening.

635
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,620
and John Rafe from Fox News.

636
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,100
So, one of the items we're asked to come back

637
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:34,580
and talk about was school and backs.

638
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,300
So, fortunate for us, the school district,

639
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,100
just like we had the comprehensive plan

640
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:40,240
and the challenge of the school district

641
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,040
has done a bunch of comprehensive studies

642
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,700
over the last two years, two in particular.

643
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:47,540
They did either require improvements,

644
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,280
their current facilities and future planning.

645
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:53,140
One of the studies was done by GKL architects

646
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:56,660
of feasibility study to see the condition

647
00:38:56,660 --> 00:39:04,180
of the existing facilities, what improvements were needed, and what was needed to keep up with the sustainability and population growth coming and everything of that nature.

648
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:13,800
Second, went down by Sundance Consultants, there was more enrollment and projection of school age children that were needed to be served in the community moving forward.

649
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,220
So similar to comprehensive plans, sort of the answers for us and all positive results.

650
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:23,100
It did focus on a few things enrollment was first.

651
00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:32,540
So, based on the 2024 numbers was everything the studies were based off of, they had 8,092 children enrolled as K-12.

652
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:41,180
With their district practice capacity call it, which is really the projected enrollment with growth, stability, and changes.

653
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:44,300
They were expecting 10,754.

654
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:49,380
So, they were the average projected enrollment was below capacity by about 2400.

655
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:54,100
showed that there was plenty of area in the schools at the current time and with the

656
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:55,160
improvements they had planned.

657
00:39:56,540 --> 00:40:01,560
The next was population, demographics, housing supply and housing stock.

658
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,660
What really yielded was there a sea of decline in preschool and elementary school children

659
00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:09,200
and an increase in middle school and high school children.

660
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,920
This was a result of the aging population with an increased median age and also elderly

661
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,940
population, which is driving the younger school age children down. This is great, especially

662
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:23,880
for this product. As judges mentioned with a lot of product, product we had a lot of them

663
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,420
in the stack towns, the age restricted obviously doesn't have school age children, but the other

664
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:32,560
products, products are teared at younger families first time home by our sayings of that, which

665
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,320
really is where the school district is lacking, or has as a lower demand for the children. So that's

666
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,760
good for that. The next is the utilization of the schools, isn't they really focused on?

667
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:49,040
The school should be about 80 to 85% utilized, and that's to stay in growth as well.

668
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:52,620
There is some rebalancing that needs to take place, thank you.

669
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:58,620
There's some rebalancing that needs to take place, but right now Evans Elementary School

670
00:40:58,620 --> 00:41:04,560
is the school that this project would be feeding, it's about 76% utilized, so again, plenty

671
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,900
of capacity.

672
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:14,600
some of the schools are as low as 62% utilized and the highest is 94 so these

673
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,100
studies all heard but the schools right now they can handle it and with the

674
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,760
future that they're planning and the improvements they have planned there

675
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:28,340
shouldn't be any issues. We did hire a fiscal plan ourselves just to check the

676
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:36,500
data and also some type of physical. Most Eric Cartel is an AICP. His results, if you could

677
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:41,700
scroll back a little more, sorry. His results are about twice as high as the school's results,

678
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:48,860
but we just wanted to sort of fact check. So with option one and option two here, you can see

679
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:55,780
this either one of those options would add in between 57 to 64 and have it broken down by the

680
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:58,060
product types you can see where the children are coming from.

681
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:05,680
If you look at the children per home at .29 to .44, that's well above the national average.

682
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,340
I think our fiscal planner in the study was very conservative.

683
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:12,800
Like I said, it's also about double what the school was predicting.

684
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,820
Typically, the actual is around .25 children per home.

685
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:24,500
So even at the high end of 57 to 64, the school can still handle that, which is a good thing

686
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:24,780
here.

687
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:29,140
So, including the schools, they can currently

688
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:30,580
and are planning to accommodate this growth

689
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:32,040
as well as other future growth.

690
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,520
And then, right now, if you, you know,

691
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440
some people might say that the schools can't handle it,

692
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,320
there are some older facilities in the school,

693
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,720
they do need renovations, there is improvements

694
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,620
that need to be done, but they're not improvements

695
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:46,360
that need to be done, because there's a number of children.

696
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,060
So, let's go to school, the fiscal impact,

697
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,000
again, our proposal did this for us.

698
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:56,220
And the way we break this down is we show the net fiscal impact.

699
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,840
So we take the overall revenues, taxes, everything generated by the community, then we take

700
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,280
out all the costs for the school district to educate the school age children, all the

701
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,040
costs for the township and the state services, and then we get to the net fiscal impact.

702
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:18,540
So the residential has a net fiscal impact of 831,000 every year to the township and school combined.

703
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:25,260
The retail is about $152,000, so total net fish school, in fact, is just under a million

704
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:26,160
dollars every year.

705
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,760
This doesn't take into account the one-time transfer tax and the recurrent transfer

706
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,620
tax and the units are re-sold, so it's about $100 million out front in the first years

707
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:39,360
of sales, also the other income generated from construction and things of that nature.

708
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,420
Our home owners are going to generate revenue for local businesses, they shop local,

709
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:48,520
they

710
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,680
additional homeowners also in rooftops that this could provide, it always sustained existing

711
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,580
retailers on the corridor, but it's going to also help promote future retail growth.

712
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,320
Don't mention before that hopefully this project can be a catalyst to keep the trend on

713
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:08,020
major going east and provide additional commercial and retail and rooftop drives commercial,

714
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:09,340
so that's always a good thing.

715
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:17,060
traffic. We did hire Pannoni, the large traffic engineer in the area, Brian

716
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:21,960
Kimi did that study for us, and we were the one to focus on what improvements

717
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,740
will be needed to handle this type of development on bridge bike

718
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:30,340
specifically. If you could go back to the plan, Jeff, I'm sorry, this is a

719
00:44:30,340 --> 00:44:31,200
bunch of pages packed.

720
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,100
Walk over for Rick and Slayer Me.

721
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,980
Mr. Peters, I know you were focusing on this before, so I didn't have to answer any

722
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:55,840
the questions away. So the warrants, I'm not sure if you're familiar with Penn. Not even if the

723
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,160
This is a challenge that we're also wanting to put in traffic improvements on our...

724
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:09,300
So a lot of what I'm going to say is dependent on what the warrants would address. Out of the gates, we know that this

725
00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:13,860
not retail, this not residential, is going to warrant traffic light and a client road in rich

726
00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:23,800
bike. Currently, it does not meet the warrants or traffic signal at the secondary entrance. It does meet the warrants to have a dedicated

727
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,560
the left turn into this entrance and dedicated left turn into this entrance, it does meet

728
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:35,820
the warrants to have a dedicated D cell right turn lane in at both entrances. One of the

729
00:45:35,820 --> 00:45:41,940
other key items that we looked at was Greenwood Bridge, which is the next intersection down,

730
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,080
which is a tricky intersection too, was in site distances by the church. Right now that

731
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:52,860
intersection is on the brink of being the warrants for a traffic signal. We would have to do a

732
00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:55,460
full-blown traffic impact, studying through PADNOT

733
00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:57,340
to determine if it really would meet it,

734
00:45:57,380 --> 00:45:59,360
but there's a good chance that this development

735
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,380
could push that over for a traffic light there.

736
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:04,780
One thing, RidgePike does have a lot of congestion,

737
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,220
but it does have a lot of improvements.

738
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:09,540
We feel like the traffic engineer feels

739
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:12,560
like any derivation of service that would come

740
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,540
from this development could be handled

741
00:46:14,540 --> 00:46:15,700
with the existing infrastructure.

742
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:17,500
There'd probably be some re-timing of signals

743
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,560
down through the corridor.

744
00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:21,480
That would be a required, but we think that would handle

745
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,640
all the traffic and any negative impacts. There will be no degradation of service.

746
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:33,310
The authority would, you know, you kind of agree with the assessment this far.

747
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:38,530
I mean, I'll bet that, bet that is an older issue.

748
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:43,350
Well, yeah, I mean, certainly he's characterizing the right.

749
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:51,190
You're looking for access to Ridgeway. That's going to require and not involvement.

750
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:52,930
then they're going to be the primary driver

751
00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:54,730
during improvements along the corridor.

752
00:46:56,050 --> 00:46:57,950
You know, if they're going that far

753
00:46:57,950 --> 00:47:00,890
they're going to end up with a full traffic impact study

754
00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:02,690
working with Penda.

755
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:04,910
We'll identify the scope of that to make sure

756
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:07,990
that we're extending far enough east and west

757
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:10,710
to capture that impact.

758
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:13,890
You know, I've worked with Brian before,

759
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:19,210
from Roni, back from data that I've actually reviewed.

760
00:47:19,850 --> 00:47:26,110
No reason to doubt what their conclusions are, you know, the concepts and the assumptions

761
00:47:26,110 --> 00:47:31,030
are valid and reasonable, and who knows what pendent will say or won't say it.

762
00:47:31,350 --> 00:47:36,970
Yeah, I mean, I think a development of this size, I would certainly have expected the same

763
00:47:36,970 --> 00:47:40,630
type of conclusions that we're going to need of turn lanes and right turn lanes.

764
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:44,670
A long range point to support entry traffic.

765
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:51,930
having at least one of the access points being signalized to provide, especially in

766
00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:59,270
the address to be able to turn left to go east. It would be important if you didn't have that

767
00:47:59,270 --> 00:48:03,090
I'd be worried because then all your left-training traffic is either trying to do that.

768
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:13,220
Uncivilized for going through the light and having used that light, which wouldn't be good.

769
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:21,780
We ran a lot of our numbers, we do have the connectivity to the light or shopping center.

770
00:48:22,740 --> 00:48:28,620
We sort of back the numbers out in there to run our analysis and not take away from the

771
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:29,360
cross traffic.

772
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:30,760
So they're only going to get better.

773
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,240
We sort of ran a worst case, assuming that no one would use the light, but obviously people

774
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,140
are, if they're going to get traction, which is the right one.

775
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:39,480
What is the solution in light?

776
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,000
You have to do it on a conservative basis.

777
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,580
When do you get involved with your project?

778
00:48:47,170 --> 00:48:50,630
I think that comes once they've gotten

779
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:56,130
as supervisors as far as a willingness to consider the rezoning.

780
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:59,790
That's when things really start engineering-wise.

781
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:03,850
And that needs to start getting involved from that early standpoint.

782
00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:08,430
You had no insight on this at this point?

783
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:09,590
No, not at this point.

784
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:16,450
So, one of our next steps once in Brian's set of registrations is to figure out a sort

785
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:21,230
of, you know, on board with a concept, we would file a scope and application with PENBOT

786
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:24,530
to start working through that and then Brian's group would get involved there.

787
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:29,430
One thing I didn't forget to mention too, and I apologize, the tangent does have an act 2 and 9 feet.

788
00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:35,030
So, this would probably generate about $750,000 worth of act 2 and 9 feet.

789
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:39,250
that could either be used for the improvements for this or throughout the township depending

790
00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:41,070
on what the study provides.

791
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:45,910
So, there are some other benefits, you know, if the light had agreed with something that

792
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:49,290
is really important, township areas and then act to a plan, you know, that could be a good

793
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:50,750
chip in that if we don't meet those lines.

794
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:54,870
Jim, anything for you at this point?

795
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,510
I think we have one more slide to go through, just to tie it all together.

796
00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:11,140
In the cabinet's follow-up with what John said, we knew kind of, we were just trying to

797
00:50:11,140 --> 00:50:16,040
I can't get a sketch mic together, a rough idea of where things could potentially be,

798
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,240
see if the planning commission felt okay about it.

799
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:21,080
If you guys felt okay about it, go and present it to the supervisors.

800
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,820
If they felt okay about it, they potentially obviously start the engineering.

801
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:28,820
But we know this is like first inning of a baseball game,

802
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,540
but we just want to be able to come in and kind of look at it.

803
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,800
So the kind of closing remarks, and then I'll open up for questions.

804
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,980
You know, why do we feel that this neighborhood fits kind of a comprehensive plan?

805
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:45,800
And you have a property that, you know, one piece of it is kind of sat dormant for, you know, for 38 years.

806
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,380
And as you drive a long-range bike, it just seems like it hasn't been kind of attended to.

807
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:58,920
And we really do feel like this can be kind of the gateway to really make this part of the township work and it feel really good.

808
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:03,860
But we said, any development where the infrastructure already exists is always a good thing.

809
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:10,040
It's not like we need to put in a bunch of roads where we're off a main road, you know, a couple miles from 4.22.

810
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:16,760
We're adding a product cross-section of housing for entry level. First time home buyers families and empty nesters and ladies,

811
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:28,380
this is so early in the process, we could mix and change and adjust based on whatever the township feels like with baby for their, you know, their future homeowners over the next few five, 10, 15, 20 years.

812
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,400
We're keeping all the commercial along the main street, which I think is important for a lot of different

813
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,880
levels. The residential transitions to existing neighborhoods. So the other part of this is if the

814
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,040
supervisors, once you guys say we like it, and the supervisors say they like it, we'll start all

815
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:51,280
the neighborhoods because before we ever do a public meeting, not a true public meeting, at that point we

816
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,800
try to meet with all the neighbors and kind of get some of their issues worked out because what I did say

817
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,860
there is some residential zoning on the back left corner of it's the singles where you technically could

818
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:04,140
a good tendency with any loss, we would plan on doing that.

819
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,120
We would just use that as open space, park,

820
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:07,960
whatever that decides to be.

821
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,320
But so we would sit down with all the neighbors

822
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,280
before we be back.

823
00:52:11,780 --> 00:52:13,220
You guys would go on that property,

824
00:52:13,500 --> 00:52:15,680
but do you have no expectations

825
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:16,940
that it's going to develop?

826
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:17,540
Yeah.

827
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,820
So you would say what, you would give it back

828
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:20,980
to the township with the park?

829
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,080
Well, part of HOA, let that maintain it out.

830
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,580
I'd probably better for the township

831
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:26,860
or someone else to speak for it.

832
00:52:27,340 --> 00:52:28,280
Well, I don't disagree on it.

833
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:30,020
I just want to hear what you would say.

834
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:30,540
Yeah, yeah.

835
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Do you think the HLA will maintain it, maintain it, know it, and do what they want to do with

836
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:36,200
it?

837
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:36,600
Exactly.

838
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:43,180
So, from that standpoint, the internal roadway network connecting the three large parcels

839
00:52:43,180 --> 00:52:48,260
plus the retail, and being able to tie all that stuff in plus the trails, even going at a

840
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:52,180
bunch of different directions, I do really think you can do some really cool things and connect

841
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:53,840
a lot of people in through this.

842
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,840
That's a good question, John.

843
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:56,000
I think you just brought up there.

844
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,840
the roads go through the right way, the people right away.

845
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:02,240
So I'll see if we get them to go, correct.

846
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,340
And they have to approve whatever they do, their process.

847
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,420
What happens, God forbid, you know, something happens

848
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,440
when they have to shut that road down

849
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,940
because they have to do some work.

850
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,660
Is that ever happening?

851
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:17,440
Have you seen that?

852
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,740
I'm not saying I have, I'm asking for that type of feedback.

853
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,920
Typically, they like those roads that go across.

854
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,920
They make you cross the most perpendicular angle that you can because they don't want you

855
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,420
They don't want to have to work along the road as you'd mentioned

856
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,640
Typically, it's like that in your perpendicular

857
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,420
They can work from either side and not shut the road down completely

858
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:43,680
We've done several of these of never seen in those groups where they've ever shot a shutter road down because of

859
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,820
You know power lines fell or something

860
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,600
The good news is because you have the two accesses if they ever did

861
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,620
We just kind of talked about the mix use, what would it all be consistent with the township,

862
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:07,220
comprehensive plan, community trial site walk, everything that we just talked about.

863
00:54:07,460 --> 00:54:16,540
And then the last thing, which is kind of the catalyst of what could potentially be come of that main street corridor between trap and up to alert township.

864
00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:24,140
That was our presentation, so I'll open up any questions or thoughts that you guys have.

865
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:27,030
Start.

866
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:32,190
I think it's a good plan.

867
00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:34,030
I mean, you know, let's go.

868
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:37,090
I'm not sure if I'm like one or two, or I

869
00:54:41,020 --> 00:54:42,720
think you guys done a nice job of putting something

870
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:43,100
out there.

871
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,220
Thank you.

872
00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:49,200
The fellow's that property there, which is, you know, you've been talking about that property for a long time.

873
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,180
and one of our goals is maybe trying to protect you.

874
00:54:53,860 --> 00:54:56,620
But I'm not sure that was feasible in the moment.

875
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,600
So that's all I have at this point.

876
00:55:00,940 --> 00:55:02,160
I don't have anything other questions.

877
00:55:02,420 --> 00:55:02,940
Anyone else?

878
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,360
I'll go tell some of your thoughts.

879
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,340
I mean, I think this plan is an improvement of role

880
00:55:09,340 --> 00:55:10,000
we saw before.

881
00:55:11,020 --> 00:55:11,420
Every two.

882
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:13,120
Yeah, number two.

883
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:16,760
And I applaud you for responding to the comments.

884
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:27,280
And I think, in general, it seems like you've made a great attempt to be in alignment with the common plan.

885
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:35,360
There are a lot of positives I heard about your intent on the way this plan could go.

886
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:39,540
I mean, obviously there's details of this traffic, there's things to look at.

887
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:45,440
The mix of houses, I appreciate the fact that you said, I think one of the,

888
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,200
So maybe the three stories, the same footprint is going to be traded off if the mix.

889
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,160
Exactly, so they're probably, what do you do?

890
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Let's say I town, where are the three stories out?

891
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,740
They're going to be 24, why by 15.

892
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,600
So we say we want to do a mixture of them.

893
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,340
We can easily have fun and play.

894
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,040
I think the mix of housing types is a great thing.

895
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:09,820
It's something that we've true-paded in the current plan and talked about.

896
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,560
So yeah, I think for this point in time, I'm so happy.

897
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:20,700
If I think I get a good plan, obviously, there are always details that you worked out yet within an early plan.

898
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:27,120
From what I say, I think it's the potential giving out ways, any potential negative.

899
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:30,680
There's got a few questions to leave in what you just said here.

900
00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:38,860
All three of the options, if you took all three of the options, they're all considering putting them through the lines, right?

901
00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:43,260
all three that we can go to be, we can clue the through ways.

902
00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:43,640
Correct.

903
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Number two is, personally, myself, I like the lower density.

904
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,360
So the first option, the 2.31 I believe,

905
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,480
technically, I guess,

906
00:56:56,900 --> 00:57:01,120
I guess for you guys, the SPAC gives you more sales, right?

907
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,860
It's more root-offs.

908
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:06,180
It's kind of crazy when you talk to the, because we've talked about

909
00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:11,280
three different retail, you know, companies about, how would you design it? What would you do?

910
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:15,400
Just get some feedback so we have something kind of close to what potentially you look like.

911
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:22,860
I've seen the more we've actually have the more people they like, just the more people they like.

912
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:27,760
So from that standpoint, from a value standpoint, the retail, the more retail you have,

913
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,540
I think we talked about this a little last time, you know, with cost to bill for new buildings and stuff.

914
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:39,260
So retail is really hard to make work in today's environment, not that it isn't done, but it's really hard.

915
00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:48,840
Whatever retail we do here, it's almost like you have to be able to do something with the residential, the offset, whatever the cost of the retail that makes sense.

916
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,680
So we have the option one, which is your original plan. We have 231.

917
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:59,320
and then you got option two, we have two hundred and sixty-six.

918
00:57:59,780 --> 00:58:03,380
Yeah, what's the cost difference there?

919
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,180
I mean, you would just say if we ditched one of thirty-one units,

920
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,020
we'd probably want to have about forty-five thousand square feet of retail.

921
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,400
If we needed to jump to like sixty thousand square feet of retail,

922
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:15,240
we'd probably need to add those additional twenty-five units

923
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,460
to offset some of the cost of the additional retail of the cost.

924
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:22,760
Okay, so the additional retail is in option two.

925
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:31,900
Yes, he was an option too. Right, so we went back to option one to our 31 houses that he had just let's

926
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:38,780
reek it. We might scale back to retail. Okay, that's not bad. But the retail was still all in the front.

927
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:42,300
Yep, of course. And, and, and,

928
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:49,300
of the senior living, adult marriages which I like a lot.

929
00:58:52,190 --> 00:58:55,330
I'm still not sure if I want to or want them. I had a big today.

930
00:58:55,330 --> 00:59:04,390
I'm not sure now I understand two better for you guys yourself, right, but, but, you know, I think what you're just saying, even though keeping the

931
00:59:06,350 --> 00:59:13,870
stacked townhouses for a three-story whatever on that side, it looks better, right?

932
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:19,370
It provides a little more open space, a little bit more of an offer, and

933
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:26,880
you're saying that you may have to then scale back to retail a bit.

934
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:34,410
Maybe a little bit, what I would tell you is, the reason I can scale by a one-billion,

935
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:37,670
one, 12,000, up

936
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,840
to the process, and all that stuff.

937
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,680
I like it.

938
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,640
I like Tom's comment.

939
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:56,810
I do, I really do like, after one instance, that there provides an open area, an open space

940
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:59,850
which we really want to promote in the township.

941
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:16,910
So, maybe the past plan might be a little combination of one and two. I got this study a little bit more and hear all the traffic stuff and all that stuff. I don't think we should just throw away one and go with two. I don't think.

942
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:31,710
I appreciate you getting up to speed in the beginning. I too like the plan. And questions are, because it was covered by the meeting, the undeveloped area on the top left hand corner.

943
01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:36,270
that you say will give back to the HOA to manage.

944
01:00:36,810 --> 01:00:41,130
You have a cell divided in a little row and you call this that drawn in there.

945
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:44,010
So are there future plans to develop them?

946
01:00:44,130 --> 01:00:46,750
Yeah, so we actually put a note out there not to be developed.

947
01:00:47,010 --> 01:00:47,510
I see that.

948
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:53,050
What we're trying to do is when you come into kind of layout and plans and stuff,

949
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:58,850
you just try to be kind of straightforward with what could potentially go there or not go there.

950
01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:02,110
We just wanted to say, oh, hey, what's going to happen to that down the road?

951
01:01:02,270 --> 01:01:03,990
We want to say, OK, put the zoning.

952
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:05,770
You can do 10 simple family loss there.

953
01:01:06,350 --> 01:01:08,450
We would just say, it's not enough.

954
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:13,890
So if it's moved down the process where we do truly engineered plans, we would just show

955
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:15,050
that it's open space.

956
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:18,810
But in the early stages of having a conversation with the planning commission and with the board,

957
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:21,130
we just want to say, we took that off.

958
01:01:21,230 --> 01:01:22,090
We're taking that off the table.

959
01:01:22,090 --> 01:01:26,170
We're not going to have neighbors come out and go out and have 10 houses by me because that's

960
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:27,470
always the pushback.

961
01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:30,670
Anyway, we're taking that off the table right away, so yeah.

962
01:01:31,310 --> 01:01:32,710
Any further questions?

963
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:37,090
The recreational aspects like the pickle bowl or things like that.

964
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:38,050
Maybe in there.

965
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:38,830
Yeah, maybe up there.

966
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:39,310
Sure.

967
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:41,110
And then some other things included.

968
01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:43,310
Yeah, of course, the single family members are there.

969
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:44,230
We'll be conflated about that.

970
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:44,770
I don't know.

971
01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:46,230
I don't know.

972
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:47,910
I'm not going to talk about that.

973
01:01:48,090 --> 01:01:48,490
Oh, good.

974
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:52,770
That's a lot.

975
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:53,690
Thank you.

976
01:01:54,090 --> 01:01:54,650
All right.

977
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:57,670
I think you need more men in your space right now.

978
01:01:57,670 --> 01:02:01,770
I would think of a whole court that only served with one group of members.

979
01:02:03,790 --> 01:02:08,070
There's open space there that you can work around, even if that means you get a more

980
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:12,130
stacked townhouse and you get a little bit more density, I think you're going to need more

981
01:02:12,130 --> 01:02:12,870
amenity space.

982
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:21,140
I see the back portion, not a known area, I would like to see it forest and re-forested, something

983
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:27,280
like that, something that's managed forestry so that we can don't have to have another

984
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,780
aggressive field that we have to have at our own mall. I definitely think you need to look

985
01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:35,800
at Greenwood Avenue. I think that that's critical. I know Jerry's about the, you know,

986
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:36,600
seven saw.

987
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:44,920
I don't like the number of this plan. I don't mind the layout of this plan,

988
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:50,280
of the third plan, with the residential up to the front. Again, maybe the number low

989
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,940
is some amenity space behind those stacked-town houses right up on your bike. But I want to see if

990
01:02:55,940 --> 01:03:00,460
If you're going to go to that number, or even if you're in state, 256, to have retail

991
01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:05,120
or to have more retail on the other side, to focus the retail on the left side and on

992
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,420
the client road side of it, and not so much on the right side.

993
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,160
Again, at the free standing restaurant, you're nice.

994
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,040
But unless they're attached to something, I don't see them as being that successful.

995
01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:21,380
Like, the girks is successful right now because it's a great sport for them to begin with,

996
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,400
but it's also right there with Chick-fil-A, as some other things people can walk to.

997
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,660
Okay, those two restaurants out by themselves tend to become free-standing.

998
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:34,540
Now, maybe you deed your restriction for lack of a better way of putting it at this point

999
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:40,440
to say offices are medical users or something to that effect, that they might be successful

1000
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,600
there because it's not dependent on a drive-in drive-out.

1001
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:44,920
Right.

1002
01:03:46,100 --> 01:03:49,580
Well, those create more of a drive-in driveout situation.

1003
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,760
The restaurants, I think, are going to benefit from a walk.

1004
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:59,940
can walk from the main, over there. Most people are not. Most people are going to stick to the 12K

1005
01:03:59,940 --> 01:04:02,580
up in front and walk to restaurants there. Right.

1006
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:07,040
Burke is good. Maybe we, you know, will

1007
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:12,060
we're finding a little bit, depending on the slope, the elevation, you know, what's going on with it.

1008
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,820
I wouldn't mind seeing if we go with that,

1009
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,300
that maybe you, I don't know if you can see my

1010
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:27,220
milestone, but maybe you lose some of the units in here and you've got a little more stacked

1011
01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:31,680
townhouses in here to put the amenities up here. Again, maybe that's where that

1012
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:36,000
stack townhouses come up in front and they create a little neighborhood with some amenities for

1013
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,180
everybody in the community and back.

1014
01:04:40,580 --> 01:04:44,320
Well, it's nice that the 55 and older myself

1015
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,160
included get the pickleball. You know, the young families still need something. Right. And

1016
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,740
right now that something's going to be okay, where in the township are we going? The pickleball.

1017
01:04:53,740 --> 01:05:00,580
Well, I mean, taking a seven-year-old plate pick-up of all is fun for about five minutes.

1018
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,940
But to give them something to do, because in this area the township there is no park.

1019
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,320
The drive for the park is 20 minutes away, to get here.

1020
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:17,140
Which people will do because this park is phenomenal, and it's a great space, but there's

1021
01:05:17,140 --> 01:05:21,000
nothing in this area that they go to other than driving a limerick and going to Antic.

1022
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:23,160
and we don't want to do that.

1023
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,540
I just, I'm just a clerk.

1024
01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:29,640
Is that light blue in their draw?

1025
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:33,440
That's more, it's more kind of like a, that's right.

1026
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,500
It's a buffer area to wetlands.

1027
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:37,020
So it's not all wetlands.

1028
01:05:37,220 --> 01:05:37,840
It's, it's unusable.

1029
01:05:38,260 --> 01:05:39,000
There's wetlands in there.

1030
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:39,920
There's creeps through there.

1031
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:40,980
And then there's a parry and bomb.

1032
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:41,380
That's what I call.

1033
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,200
I want to make sure that.

1034
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:42,380
Yeah.

1035
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:43,060
Yeah.

1036
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:45,700
Even if you put the tram through,

1037
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,940
you can be, you can be trail.

1038
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:48,920
You can be trail.

1039
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:49,620
Yeah.

1040
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,200
I think it could be built on this area to keep our

1041
01:05:57,100 --> 01:06:00,660
fee and bill of recreation open space and things like that.

1042
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,180
We'll get into that discussion once we have a more formal plan.

1043
01:06:04,540 --> 01:06:08,060
Even if there's some recreation space that dedicates some work we work on,

1044
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,000
some else the tangent for you to build, always less expensive for you to build something that has brought us to sure.

1045
01:06:14,060 --> 01:06:16,040
Maybe we have that conversation down the road.

1046
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:20,520
Generally, I do like to retell a plan to better.

1047
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:26,320
I think that that can create a really nice urban space that nothing has a long

1048
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,960
finish line. There's nothing like that and you can create an extremely

1049
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,960
walkable community and you can still get to target your big grocery shopping.

1050
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,080
I know 12K isn't made enough to put a trader Joe's in but you know that's

1051
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,060
what I'm very last. So is everybody has for that? I know it's the strangest thing.

1052
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:48,400
One of the retail people we talk to actually said this would be a good spot for

1053
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:53,800
I think so too. I think somewhere in this town, some of this area is a great spot for it, but it really wants one for some.

1054
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,860
They don't want to leave the main line.

1055
01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:04,760
But I think this plan is, as we said, I think they were ultra responsive to what you said last month.

1056
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:17,960
We zone in this parcel with a certain zoning to it. I don't really want to do an overlay, but we have to figure out how that works out.

1057
01:07:18,860 --> 01:07:22,780
How do we do this? We're probably going to start talking about what else we're going to do with Bridge Bike.

1058
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,920
I don't know if I buy into it that this is going to be an economic driver that they buy into,

1059
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,780
but that's really just a philosophical difference for the rest of Bridge Bike.

1060
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:37,140
I think that's more problematic when you have a single lot that's working in a car wash.

1061
01:07:38,340 --> 01:07:41,400
I mean, we can put a couple more on the other side of it.

1062
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:48,840
So that's something we have to decide as a planning condition is, what does this mean for the NC district?

1063
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,840
Because this would probably be a new district of some sort.

1064
01:07:54,990 --> 01:07:58,030
But before we, you know, that's all for me, yeah.

1065
01:07:58,110 --> 01:07:59,510
Okay, then I'm going to ask for public comment.

1066
01:07:59,670 --> 01:08:01,290
Anybody want to make public comment?

1067
01:08:02,070 --> 01:08:04,830
You got some public people here, do you want to make public comment?

1068
01:08:05,710 --> 01:08:08,210
I'll be happy to.

1069
01:08:08,350 --> 01:08:09,650
They're looking for that 50 pound of loot.

1070
01:08:11,830 --> 01:08:15,190
Well, the one thing you may want to do, you know, I don't know what you want to talk, I

1071
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:15,870
don't know.

1072
01:08:16,790 --> 01:08:22,010
Well, not that this is, if you're going to find yourself to quit, you're going to give

1073
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:22,530
me an answer.

1074
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:23,070
Okay.

1075
01:08:24,290 --> 01:08:27,050
And it's 800 Woods and Court Collegeville.

1076
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:35,090
One important thing that we found in our community, which is Regency, and everybody knows

1077
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:35,770
about Regency.

1078
01:08:35,770 --> 01:08:43,870
I'm sure is we took a putting green now that was hardly used and put a botchy cord in that

1079
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:50,690
is used a lot. We have teams in there every day and it might be something for you guys

1080
01:08:50,690 --> 01:08:55,890
that you wouldn't think about instead of even pickable. You may want to think about botchy.

1081
01:08:56,490 --> 01:09:03,590
It's very popular, very easy on the older people and even the younger people. So it might

1082
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:07,690
be something to consider and that would have zone just to slow it off the top of my head.

1083
01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:08,150
Thank you.

1084
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:09,670
Thank you.

1085
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:10,530
Thank you.

1086
01:09:13,420 --> 01:09:14,780
What do we need to do with your gentlemen?

1087
01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:15,980
Nothing at all.

1088
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,880
I think you've given some more good feedback.

1089
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,260
I'm sure we'll be having a conversation.

1090
01:09:20,540 --> 01:09:24,620
I'll be having a conversation with them in the next day or so and I'll figure out what they

1091
01:09:24,620 --> 01:09:29,740
want to do before they go on the board agenda and then they'll make a shorter presentation

1092
01:09:29,740 --> 01:09:30,300
of the board.

1093
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:34,400
The board will go for an hour and a half.

1094
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,280
So we have no recommendation at this point?

1095
01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:37,860
No, I don't think we need to.

1096
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:44,720
If you want them to, I mean, I think if you want to express to me what your general consensus is,

1097
01:09:44,820 --> 01:09:46,180
do you like to plan up at this point?

1098
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,480
I do minding.

1099
01:09:47,540 --> 01:09:50,980
Well, I think my opinions, I think we've already expressed their opinion.

1100
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:51,920
Yeah, I think we've had it.

1101
01:09:53,020 --> 01:09:55,880
There are many options.

1102
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:56,440
Many.

1103
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:58,060
Do you hear there's no official application?

1104
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:58,940
There's no book.

1105
01:09:58,940 --> 01:10:00,220
It really isn't an official book.

1106
01:10:00,220 --> 01:10:06,100
The only thing I would love to be able to do when we go from the Supervisors and

1107
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:10,200
companies, I would love for them to say, we talk to Supervisors and they're all in

1108
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,160
favor or form or favor, aren't they the language, I would just love something they're

1109
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:15,840
like a, everyone's in support of it.

1110
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:25,020
I think we're in support from a general perspective, but with lots of comments and

1111
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:32,180
this year a lot of people are doing all that, but I mean, it's a nice point, so I mean the way we're going to

1112
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:41,200
recommend, continue to move forward with and we'll deal with the details in the future as we go forward.

1113
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,320
I know you guys haven't worked with us in the past, but if you're talking to the townships that do work with us,

1114
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:52,100
we understand like this is a process and it's probably a two-man for three-year process and a lot of back and forth

1115
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:56,640
than you know trying to keep the neighbors happy and get some of the touching wants and obviously some that works with the landscape.

1116
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,440
A lot of neighbors that got to, I mean, not that time.

1117
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:01,100
Yeah.

1118
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:03,700
Offer between you and the town.

1119
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:04,300
Yeah.

1120
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:08,920
Either way though, I'd like to get out of it.

1121
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,040
And we'd always try to keep the neighbors.

1122
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:11,600
Yeah.

1123
01:11:11,980 --> 01:11:14,960
So, but we try to be good guys to work with.

1124
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:20,060
And they said we, you know, we really want to build great neighborhoods.

1125
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:22,740
and we want to do stuff that benefits the overall townships.

1126
01:11:22,740 --> 01:11:26,080
One thing that you mentioned that you plug my year right away is

1127
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,340
so many people come in here and present something

1128
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:33,080
and the next thing you know we say 100 people sitting out here complaining about

1129
01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:37,760
if you talk to some of the people in the area

1130
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,100
makes a big difference for sure.

1131
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:41,060
Make sure that they're on board.

1132
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,500
Yeah, for sure.

1133
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,140
Well, we'll definitely do that.

1134
01:11:44,660 --> 01:11:47,460
Obviously, the supervisors agree with you.

1135
01:11:47,460 --> 01:11:52,240
it's A.A. Let's kind of you get inside the door to meet you. We don't think it's a good

1136
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:57,720
idea so far. Awesome. We appreciate all your time. Thank you guys for having us today.

1137
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:59,500
Okay,

1138
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:03,920
so let's move on.

1139
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:14,540
What do you want to do here about the future, Jeff? Of course,

1140
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:15,000
they answered.

1141
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:24,840
Well, on the 16th, which is our next meeting, Montclair Townhouses

1142
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:31,300
is actually on, we have some questions about where they are with their plans,

1143
01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:37,280
emissions, and review time and stuff like that. So, we got a 50-50 shot,

1144
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:41,820
we'll be on. I will be talking about their attorney tomorrow. Based on what to

1145
01:12:41,820 --> 01:12:45,600
be on, the question is if their plans are ready and if Jen has enough time to

1146
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,040
review, is there are technical plans at this point with the preliminary plan.

1147
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,280
Mainline Hospital will be on that agenda for the first sort of discussion of

1148
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,280
there are plans, discussion, there's only ordinance.

1149
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,820
Are we anticipating how

1150
01:13:03,190 --> 01:13:04,390
the people come up?

1151
01:13:04,710 --> 01:13:05,310
I don't know.

1152
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:07,930
I mean, we've had a few people that have expressed concern.

1153
01:13:08,210 --> 01:13:08,710
I mean, they've got here.

1154
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:13,450
But I can't say that we've, I mean, if you heard,

1155
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:15,610
maybe feedback from people coming up.

1156
01:13:15,630 --> 01:13:17,790
There isn't a presence of mainland hospital yet

1157
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:21,330
or friends that get mainland hospital yet.

1158
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:24,530
So that I'm aware of, and I tend to be pretty tapped

1159
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:26,530
at other people's in the tummy now, I don't think you are.

1160
01:13:26,530 --> 01:13:28,330
So, I

1161
01:13:31,340 --> 01:13:36,040
have not heard anything, and as we get closer maybe well, but again, this is really

1162
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:40,660
sort of the initial discussion of what the zoning ordinance is, what their plan is.

1163
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,440
They're looking to get the zoning text amendment, the zoning map amendment done first, and

1164
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,660
then they get the conditional use intended sketch, because there's a lot of layers of this

1165
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:48,880
application.

1166
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:49,760
Sure, sure.

1167
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:54,560
But I mean, here, I don't know, I just think my opinion would be just like this plain to

1168
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,000
to start the feedback should be minimal.

1169
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:58,640
It does hide it.

1170
01:13:58,740 --> 01:14:00,980
This is a great use of that piece of property.

1171
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,040
Right across from the time I said.

1172
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,720
I tend to agree with you, but that was in the details.

1173
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:06,300
Yes, I agree.

1174
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:07,140
I agree with you.

1175
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:09,460
Yeah, a lot of people in back there have been

1176
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:11,000
and I tend to go to, yeah, I do.

1177
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:11,820
But absolutely.

1178
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,280
I think it's the future of that property.

1179
01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:15,040
It's a good fit.

1180
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:15,760
Absolutely.

1181
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,140
For the October meeting that I left the date off of,

1182
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:21,080
I think that will be the dime.

1183
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,920
It will be the, yeah, I just talked about that.

1184
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:25,920
It's the 7.

1185
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:27,860
It can be the 7.

1186
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,860
That one is to be determined.

1187
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:37,860
It really is a lot of plans out there that applicants are reviewing and writing and finishing

1188
01:14:37,860 --> 01:14:45,650
up and cleaning up and we went through a lot of the moment of summer and they made it.

1189
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:46,990
So we'll have to see.

1190
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:50,470
Tom, if I remember, you're not here for testing.

1191
01:14:50,690 --> 01:14:51,950
I have a lot of you on the 16th.

1192
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:59,830
Okay, I'm kind of anticipating that maybe the hospital might come back on the October 7th meeting for a recommendation at that point.

1193
01:15:01,940 --> 01:15:08,500
I think the sixteenth is just an introduction, information, get your feedback on the hospital

1194
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:14,400
here, and then maybe at that point October come back for the recommendation. It's a lot

1195
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,900
to take you into the hospital, especially with the zoning and all of that.

1196
01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:22,520
I'm sorry, have you heard much from them? Oh yes, they've been very responsive.

1197
01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:29,360
We've had

1198
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,700
the zoning role right now because that's really the initial part of it and it's tentative.

1199
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:37,480
I mean, there is a drive-out that Brian has beat them up over. Still not.

1200
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:45,180
You feel Brian goes, yeah. That's going to be a big question, but I think also once our town

1201
01:15:45,180 --> 01:15:48,980
houses might shift to the October meeting and then so that would be the first meeting October.

1202
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:55,520
We'll see if some of the other ones I can go through, but there really, of all the applications we have,

1203
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,880
If there really isn't any movement on anything at this point, it's really all in the applicant's hands to repeat a rise in the points.

1204
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:10,360
Jerry, did anybody notice that talking about Ridge Pike on the east side of the development?

1205
01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:19,320
Somebody was fixing up one of those houses on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on those houses?

1206
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:20,320
Yeah, okay.

1207
01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:21,260
That's a good thing.

1208
01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:24,520
So, I don't know what was going on.

1209
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:24,700
I don't know what was going on.

1210
01:16:24,700 --> 01:16:25,840
But they put a roof on the shore.

1211
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,440
They put a new roof on the shore.

1212
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:28,820
I know they're in the house that was for sale.

1213
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:30,240
This recently went up for sale.

1214
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:31,060
Like a bank.

1215
01:16:31,260 --> 01:16:31,740
I don't need it.

1216
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:32,800
They're going to buy the jersey.

1217
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:34,640
I'm trying to get the saleable shirt.

1218
01:16:35,020 --> 01:16:35,180
Yeah.

1219
01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:37,200
I'm trying to check it out.

1220
01:16:38,140 --> 01:16:38,500
The...

1221
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:44,040
Tom had asked me, sorry, you had asked me earlier about the board's reaction to the L-car wash and

1222
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:44,580
the D-dirt shirt.

1223
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:45,120
Yes.

1224
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:46,520
They...

1225
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,120
They are still looking for more information from happy

1226
01:16:54,220 --> 01:16:57,040
did not like it very much or weren't

1227
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:03,080
necessarily in favor, but they were just they wanted more information about the traffic portion and what what the traffic

1228
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,780
What the traffic impacts

1229
01:17:06,420 --> 01:17:12,720
Same thing you had expressed but they have a little bit more authority to say we're not going to do anything until you give us that information

1230
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:17,520
Oh, you the planning committee can say we'd like to have it the board can say

1231
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,340
I play it and it comes back with that information.

1232
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,860
I don't know if they're going to come back to the planning commission.

1233
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,600
It depends on what information they bring.

1234
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,840
Because right now the crux of really is, if the board isn't willing to lift that deed

1235
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:36,720
restriction, if there's just not no capacity for them to do that, there's no point for them

1236
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,760
to come back here and spend their wheels.

1237
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:41,760
So really the question is, how do we do that?

1238
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,040
Right?

1239
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:48,640
I think your recommendation was you're generally okay with that as in use.

1240
01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:54,720
But, you want to see the traffic and all of that stuff before you buy up on them.

1241
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,160
But

1242
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,220
it's more comfortable with that, they said, no, we're not doing anything at the

1243
01:18:01,220 --> 01:18:01,380
point.

1244
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:02,620
We're not doing anything.

1245
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,240
We want you to come back with more information.

1246
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:14,140
We see going up other places and then there won't be too much for lying going in.

1247
01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:21,650
And that was part of their concern, was how many of these do we need to build?

1248
01:18:24,170 --> 01:18:30,590
And then that's not really a question because in my mind if somebody wants to build a whether

1249
01:18:30,590 --> 01:18:37,630
or not successful land use that's their problem because they said three to six million

1250
01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:43,270
dollars to build this, to build that down there, and if there was that six million dollars

1251
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:16,880
Yeah, I saw that in the last couple of months.

1252
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,880
No, they received their...

1253
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,380
Yeah, they put it on the table.

1254
01:19:20,460 --> 01:19:21,140
Yeah, what do I have to say?

1255
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:23,220
Well, my guess is that it was planned development by...

1256
01:19:23,580 --> 01:19:24,240
I'm fairly certain.

1257
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,160
Yeah, I heard the...

1258
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,540
I heard that it was pretty much just on the way.

1259
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:27,820
Yeah.

1260
01:19:27,820 --> 01:19:28,920
How did you mean the amputation?

1261
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:29,760
Right?

1262
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:30,760
Yeah.

1263
01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:32,140
Did it approve that?

1264
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,240
Well, they...

1265
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,780
Yeah, they're moving in law.

1266
01:19:34,980 --> 01:19:36,580
I don't know what the process is either.

1267
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:37,200
But...

1268
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,140
But I heard that it was positive.

1269
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:43,640
Does that flight you?

1270
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:44,300
Yeah.

1271
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,380
The only other question I have is...

1272
01:19:46,380 --> 01:19:47,320
Blair, are you gonna come back again?

1273
01:19:58,750 --> 01:20:06,050
I'm not sure what that agenda is going to be yet, but I can talk to you about the next

1274
01:20:06,050 --> 01:20:13,250
meeting that would be in November, the other conversation we had, yes, that's all we

1275
01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:13,630
talked about.

1276
01:20:13,630 --> 01:20:22,460
Yeah, the meeting after this would be November, so you're saying that you, for the environmental

1277
01:20:22,460 --> 01:20:26,440
advisory council, we don't necessarily have to have a plenty of commission persons on that.

1278
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,000
No, we don't.

1279
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:28,480
That's a change.

1280
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:30,020
We haven't changed those rules.

1281
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,360
Well, but whoever's on them now has to be there for at least two years.

1282
01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:41,590
Or did any of these on Bob?

1283
01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:42,950
We officially voted him as the member.

1284
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:44,750
Well Bob, he's now has 25 years.

1285
01:20:45,190 --> 01:20:46,810
He's a part of the environmental advisory council.

1286
01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:48,250
I bet you feel on the student.

1287
01:20:48,810 --> 01:20:49,790
Yeah, I've been on for four.

1288
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:50,750
I've been on for five years.

1289
01:20:50,750 --> 01:20:54,700
And you know how

1290
01:20:57,580 --> 01:20:59,880
coke that wasn't too hard for 40 for you tonight.

1291
01:21:00,100 --> 01:21:01,300
That's very exciting.

1292
01:21:01,660 --> 01:21:02,040
Oh yes.

1293
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,340
You see we're really good.

1294
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:11,440
We're going to get him a controversial audience participation.

1295
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,400
Where do we get about 100% plot there?

1296
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:15,360
I've seen it just now.

1297
01:21:15,980 --> 01:21:16,760
You guys good?

1298
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:17,380
Ken?

1299
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:17,940
Brian?

1300
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:18,380
You good?

1301
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:19,100
All right.

1302
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:20,780
The commotion to Roger.

1303
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:21,500
One

1304
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:26,940
a second, send.

1305
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:28,960
One, two a second.

1306
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:29,880
Ok, then.

1307
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:30,800
Another a second?

1308
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:31,320
OK, both of you.

1309
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,220
Say, back it up, I'm going to do the laser drum.

1310
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:33,140
Oh, no, that's okay.

1311
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:33,420
With the laser, take it.

1312
01:21:34,380 --> 01:21:34,620
With the laser, there is a laser.

1313
01:21:34,900 --> 01:21:35,380
It's not working.as.

1314
01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:53,580
Remember your laser.