1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,960 [Music] Okay, I'll call the meeting to order at 2 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:14,960 601. Please stand for the pledge of 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:24,020 allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:30,039 for which it stands, one [Music] 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,039 nationisible and justice for all. 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:39,840 I will make a motion to go into executive session, but 7 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:45,440 I got to get out of this first. Okay. Technical difficulties. I second 8 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:55,600 the motion. Roll call vote. Marin Dwanell. I Laura Heb. Unanimous. 9 00:00:52,559 --> 00:01:02,559 Okay, we'll see you on the other side. Okay. So, I'd like to resume our regular 10 00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:09,439 meeting. Um 3A, acceptance of donation from ESS. Okay. So, uh within the 11 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:17,280 board's packet, there's a memo from our ESS director, uh requesting the select 12 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:24,240 board accept the unsolicited uh gift of 10 $30 Market Basket gift cards totaling 13 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:31,280 $300 from an anonymous donor. Do I hear a 14 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:38,040 motion? I move that we um approve the or accept the donations from the ESS and on 15 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:46,799 the $10 $1030 tickets to market basket. 16 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:52,560 I second. All in favor? Roll call vote. Moren Dwinnel I. Laura have I. 17 00:01:50,399 --> 00:01:57,200 Unanimous. Now I know what you meant when you said I couldn't get into my 18 00:01:55,040 --> 00:02:02,560 email. Ah to pull up the motions. 19 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:07,840 Yeah. Well, I can make the motions from now on. That would Yeah, that's the 20 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:15,319 easiest. I'll do that. Okay. Next up is execution of amendment to contract 21 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:20,319 administration for 140 water sewer. Dennis, how are you tonight? 22 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:27,640 Hey, how's it going? Lovely. 23 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:27,640 Good evening. Good to see you. 24 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:36,160 Um, thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to see me tonight. 25 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,360 So, before the board, you have Tyen Bond's proposal for their construction 26 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:46,319 administration um contract. This is for the um the 27 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:52,800 route 140 water and wastewater ex extension project including the um the 28 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:57,440 culvert crossing with mascot and the construction of the pump station. So 29 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:01,440 this is this is one of the larger projects we've done in town. I mean this 30 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:05,840 is next to the tip project of Hartford Avenue North High Street and Hington 31 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,920 Road which took over three and a half years and was $11 million. This is the 32 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,680 largest project that I've done in the eight years that I've been here. So, 33 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:18,319 this this is a considerable contract and there's a lot of assumptions put into 34 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,680 this contract that allows for some consideration 35 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:26,080 um should we actually need the services and hopefully we don't need all of them. 36 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:29,840 So, this contract represents up to a certain amount of money, hoping that we 37 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:33,519 don't hit ledge, hoping that the project doesn't get extended and hoping that our 38 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:38,000 communications with Massock goes smoothly and we don't need any extra 39 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:42,400 services or unforeseen services that are not listed in this contract. So, for the 40 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,799 boards this evening, I ask that you grant the town manager authorization to 41 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:52,239 enter into the contract. As you know, the um the construction part has already 42 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:55,640 been awarded to GEG. They they are mobilizing as we speak, putting up 43 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:01,599 erosion control and beginning to mobilize. And so this allows Ty and Bond 44 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:05,599 to put all of their uh experts out there. Keep in mind, we saved almost a 45 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:12,080 million and a half dollars on this project by not doing um control density 46 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:17,120 fill, flowable fill. And in doing such, we have to have a certified inspector 47 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:21,600 who's an engineer on site when they do the back fill and compaction to certify 48 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:26,320 all the compactions. So there's a lot more oversight in this contract that we 49 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,880 would normally not have to do if we had done control density, but it's at a 50 00:04:28,479 --> 00:04:34,960 substantial cost savings. Other than that, I'll answer 51 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:40,880 any questions the board may have. Moren, do you have any questions? No, it 52 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:46,320 seems pretty pretty straightforward. I would agree. Um, so hearing no further 53 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:51,280 discussion, I'd move that the vote board vote to authorize a town manager to sign 54 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:56,160 amendment number two of the construction administration contract for the 55 00:04:52,880 --> 00:05:01,280 governor's landing utility project. I'll second. 56 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:08,720 All in favor, roll call vote. Marinwel I. Laura have I. Unanimous. 57 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:13,280 Thank you. Oh, thank you, Dennis. It's a lot of work and we appreciate everything 58 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,520 you've done with us. Thank you. Had a lot of help. 59 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:24,960 And next is the town manager report. Um really just uh briefly because I'm 60 00:05:23,039 --> 00:05:30,800 just getting back from a week's uh vacation. Uh everything is town meeting 61 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:36,320 prep. Um going over motions. Uh making sure all the logistics are taken care 62 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:42,080 of. Uh four of us looking over shoot uh Sue's shoulders as we're learning the 63 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:47,600 software for electronic voting. Um, so it's this is all crunch time for 64 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:51,280 Thursday. Okay, I know we can do it. We got a great 65 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:54,919 team. Anybody who stops into town hall will see us running around, but we 66 00:05:53,280 --> 00:06:02,639 actually know what we're doing. Okay, so um, next would be public 67 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:09,199 input or a board member update. Um, I would like to recognize Glenn Fowler. 68 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:13,919 Glenn is stepping off of the um he's not running again for cemetery commission. 69 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:19,120 Glenn started his volunteer work with the town of Upton in 1996 or that's as 70 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,840 far back as we could find in the town reports. He started as a cable TV 71 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:30,520 advisory committee member. He went on to be the access provider for the cable TV. 72 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:38,560 He was assessor of taxes from 2001 to 2015 and most recently was on cemetery 73 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:45,360 commission from two 2014 to 2025. That's 29 years of service to this town. And I 74 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:49,199 saw him today and I told him um congratulations enjoy your retirement 75 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:54,720 and he won best. He's not going anywhere just yet. So there may be more in him, 76 00:06:52,000 --> 00:07:00,400 but um you know to have somebody give us almost 30 years is a true honor and it 77 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:05,280 speaks to his devotion to the time. So I'd like to just publicly thank Glenn 78 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:12,160 for all of his years of service. I would also want to say the same. He's 79 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:19,440 put a lot of years in and he's devoted a lot of time to the town 80 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:23,360 and I hope enjoy retirement. Yeah, I hope he enjoys it. And as I say, 81 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,560 um I don't think any of us do this for the fame or the fortune because you 82 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:31,440 really don't receive either. But it's truly because you care about the town 83 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:35,319 and I appreciate it. Great. On to number six, 84 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:40,160 licensing. Rushford. We have a one-day beer 85 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:47,520 license. We have our sort of annual slate of one day beer license uh from 86 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Rushford. Uh there's a total of um I think it was seven uh dates that they're 87 00:07:50,319 --> 00:08:00,560 looking at ranging from starting June 25th and ending um August 6th all to be 88 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:03,039 down at one of speech for their summer concert 89 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:11,120 series. Uh the police chief and the fire chief have already signed off on these 90 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:16,319 licenses. Okay. Moren, do you have any questions? Not at all. Well, this is 91 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,280 done every year. Exactly. Okay. Okay. I move that the select board vote to 92 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:24,560 approve the application submitted by Rushford and Sons, owner operator by 93 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:29,599 Brian Goodman for a special 1-day wine and malt only pouring license for an 94 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:37,839 events or a series of events to be held on June 25th, July 2nd, July 9th, July 95 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:44,640 16th, July 23rd, July 30th, and August 6th, 2025 under Mass General Law Chapter 96 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:51,120 138 subsection 14 to be held at Kana Beach in up to Massachusetts. 97 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:57,480 I second. All in favor? Roll call vote. Marin Dwinell. I Laura Heb. Unanimous. 98 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:06,880 Okay. So, now we are on to the dog bylaw amendment article discussion and Mr. 99 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Moran is with 100 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:16,160 us. Nice meeting soon at the last minute. Yeah. 101 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Yeah. Um, how how do you guys how do you read 102 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:26,720 that? I see problems how I read it first. Okay. I I I we went over this 103 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:33,279 before. We brought in Maria. You Now you're here. I spoke to Dennis in the 104 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:39,120 meantime. I don't think we can. What I'd like to do is pass over this article 105 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:44,560 entirely and take it up in November. Um, I don't think you can logistically say 106 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:49,360 or in all fairness say no dogs on the soccer field at Kuanas, but yet you've 107 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:54,080 got them on the soccer fields at West River. In talking to Dennis, we're one 108 00:09:51,680 --> 00:10:00,000 of the few, if not the only town that allows anything except service dogs on 109 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:05,839 our fields. So, I very much and Dennis has said police have been down the 110 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:10,519 beach. You've been down the beach. DPW has been down the beach. Dogs are an 111 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:18,399 issue on the fields and I've owned many a dog and um you 112 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:22,880 know attitudes are changing towards them but they're still an ant and they're an 113 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,800 unpredictable ant. I've told people before I used to show my 114 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:31,200 dogs if anything they probably would have drooled on you but kids would come 115 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:36,240 rushing and somebody would say do your dogs bite and I would say all dogs bite. 116 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Um, so Mike, if you're amendable, Moren, I don't know how you feel, but I really 117 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:43,120 would like to sharpen this up and clean it up and we're not going to get it 118 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:47,680 sharpened clean before Thursday. So, I'd like to have some 119 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:51,040 should have met a week ago about this because the way the learning be if they 120 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,640 vote the way this reads right now, they don't pass it. Dogs won't be able to run 121 00:10:53,040 --> 00:11:00,959 everywhere everywhere. Exactly. And that's the danger. And and this was put 122 00:10:57,399 --> 00:11:07,680 in we this was actually written the way it's written out when Blake was here her 123 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:13,200 husband they put corners beach thinking like I told you corners beach corners 124 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:17,519 beach when you when they finally get put up as president what do you say beach 125 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:22,079 goes from the park lot to water beach shouldn't say complex told jokes 126 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:25,680 whatever recreation that's why back here trying to change it the right 127 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:32,920 way the right The only question I got now is they want 128 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:39,120 to do on May 30th a frisbee night. Now can't have it. Be on a leash. 129 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:44,079 We have leash walks and they can't go to Frisbee, right? The dogs got to be off 130 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,839 leash, right? And then we we just changed the Bible. 131 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:52,000 Piped it on the email. I don't know who he is. The guy that was in the email 132 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:55,839 said, "We have an event going on May 30th." Recreation member. Yeah. You 133 00:11:54,160 --> 00:12:00,880 can't have it because we have a leash law. No special perm. I don't have a 134 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,720 problem with that. That to me would open a ton of liability for the town. We have 135 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:08,399 a leash law. We allow somebody to come in with loose dogs and god forbid 136 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:14,079 something happens. Well, that's that's why we're going now get one more kids 137 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:18,320 down damage. Um we check bicing. The average household has two dogs. You 138 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,160 know, people dogs like kids. I understand them. I got three. They want 139 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:27,839 to bring them everywhere. But so we got to stop wor as a town we protecting at 140 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:33,600 the beach because every time I go there for a call you know the gatekeeper or a 141 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:38,519 lifeguard or one of the staff there and I ask him who's here just us nobody 142 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:43,760 there's no every time we go there's no marine 143 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:50,959 when the other guy was doing it at least on I got there he was there and we 144 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:56,160 controlled the situation You know, it's not that's what happens. I get bundled 145 00:12:52,720 --> 00:13:00,000 against the phone and all, you know, and what we do for that. I don't know. I 146 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:04,320 just I have to do more during the summer. Check on this for more. That's 147 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:08,880 all. I mean, I think when we sit, you know, when you sit on a select board, 148 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:14,240 you have to do what's best for the town, not for a certain class or, you know, 149 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:19,120 dog owners, non-dom owners. But I see issues with this. Um, I like to pull it 150 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:24,240 and clarify. Yeah. I think the way it's written is just add on whatever subjects 151 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,240 of C whatever this adding on to it subscriptions. 152 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:40,320 Yeah. Okay. Right. So I just want to make sure we're on the page when they 153 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:45,760 want to do some um soccer field. They can't do it first but they have dogs be 154 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:49,360 on. No. No. And no they can't. I would I would I would agree with that. I'm sure 155 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:54,279 the chief of police would. I don't know. I mean, I think one of the main things 156 00:13:50,800 --> 00:14:00,880 is um the calendar always is a constant surprise for us. 157 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:04,800 You know, we're Thursday is May 1st. Yes. Um in two months, two and a half 158 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:10,160 months, we're opening up the warrant for the fall. That still means we're talking 159 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:14,720 about meeting again June, July to discuss language for an article. Yes, we 160 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:19,920 could refine in August, but it closes right after Labor Day. So by pushing 161 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,160 this off still means it's going to be on our agenda pretty soon. Exactly. 162 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Probably one of the first meetings back. Just want to make sure that we're on the 163 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,040 same page. The event is not going to happen. Like I said, keep on doing what 164 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:35,600 I've been doing down there, you know, and addressing the situations, you know, 165 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:39,839 but you bet you we're going to have to change it. It's have to change because, 166 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:45,360 you know, pox's ping up. We got dog feces. People aren't picking it up. It 167 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:50,160 happens. You know, people Yeah. I I would think that it you know that the 168 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:54,560 thing is somewhere there has to be a check and a balance between what people 169 00:14:51,839 --> 00:14:59,279 are scheduling and our town bylaws which don't allow it. Yeah. Yeah. The money 170 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:05,040 you spent on soccer field last year was crazy. Moren like to say something I 171 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:11,600 believe. Now, it's my understanding that uh recck department is in charge of the 172 00:15:08,839 --> 00:15:18,800 programs, the parks and fields and facilities, athletic facilities are the 173 00:15:14,959 --> 00:15:25,199 job of the DPW director. Is he still online? How does he feel about having 174 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:29,760 dogs all over the field? Yes, Dennis is. Dennis, what's your feeling about having 175 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:33,839 dogs on the fields? I was hoping you was going to skip me on 176 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:39,920 this one, but I would blame Lorine. She's not even here. She saw you lurking 177 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:43,839 in the background. I I So, uh, yeah, 30 plus years I've been a public works 178 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:50,079 professional in and every community I've served. Um, this has been a topic and it 179 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:55,360 has been a tough topic. Fortunately, I have been in communities that 180 00:15:53,120 --> 00:16:00,320 uh did exactly what I think we're gearing up to do is to take a much 181 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:04,440 harder look at the issue and instead of just saying no dogs allowed on the 182 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,959 fields or at the beach or in the cemeteries and that's the end of it, we 183 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:14,720 are going to take a look at well what can we offer? Uh, I know that in the 184 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,839 last two communities I served, and I'm not suggesting that this is the answer 185 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,839 for Upton, but it's certainly something that should go on on the table for 186 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:27,519 talking about is we developed areas within town for dog parks. And Plymouth 187 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:31,040 was rather extravagant. Webster was not. It was very simple. It was just a 188 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:34,639 walking track. The point being that there was designated areas where people 189 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:38,079 could bring their dogs. And then there was rules that were enforceable that 190 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:41,279 were, you know, the pooper scooper law where you had to clean up after your dog 191 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:46,320 and your dog had to be on a leash when you were walking them. So that there 192 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:50,560 wasn't a problem. I agree, Madam Chair, with you that it there's a lot more 193 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:55,920 discussion that needs to be that be had here to get it something that's going to 194 00:16:53,120 --> 00:17:00,240 make sense that we bring forward to the town meeting. 195 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:04,720 um that will be looked upon favorably and show that we put due diligence into 196 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:09,120 this and and rolled up our sleeves and tried to come up with other ideas and 197 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:13,439 other solutions to help the public that that have dogs out there and don't 198 00:17:10,959 --> 00:17:19,520 necessarily have yards to take them for walks and we know how important it is. 199 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:25,360 Um but to uh I digress to go back to the question 200 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:29,840 um about how I feel about dogs in parks. So all of all of my staff has complained 201 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:34,640 to me throughout the years of the nuisance that it causes for the dogs to 202 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:39,520 be on the fields because unfortunately not every dog owner is is good about 203 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:43,200 picking up after their dog and a lot of dog owners leave stuff behind and and 204 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:48,480 don't really think twice about it and my staff has to deal with that on a regular 205 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:52,400 basis as much as the geese if not more. And so that has been brought to my 206 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:59,360 attention by my staff repeatedly over the years. So definitely I am not in 207 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:03,919 favor of having dogs on the fields. Um certainly not within cemeteries and 208 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:06,799 certainly not on the Kuanas Beach area. It's just not something that I don't I 209 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,080 don't think it's sanitary. I don't think it's it's healthy. I think it's 210 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,240 dangerous. I think there's liability involved. I think that we should be 211 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:18,320 looking into something more appropriate for that. 212 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:24,080 I would agree with Dennis on that because we we all love dogs. 213 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:29,360 It isn't that we don't love dogs, but it it's not the place for them with all the 214 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:34,640 children and families and it's a huge liability. Plus, they tear up the fields 215 00:18:31,919 --> 00:18:38,640 running around and we have a leash lock. I don't know how they you know, you 216 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:43,120 can't let you can't go to the beach and let them loose. One one thing through 217 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,280 the chair, one thing that I have witnessed on the evolution of it in the 218 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:52,080 different communities I've been a part of is one of the things that communities 219 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:57,280 have tried that doesn't work is the sometimes allowed in certain instances 220 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:02,799 in certain places. No, that's it really is unmanageable and I don't know how the 221 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:07,280 dog officer would be able to even begin to enforce that or or keep that under 222 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:12,720 wrapped. It just wouldn't work. It's generally it's it's either all or 223 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:17,440 nothing. I agree with Dennis. I agree to um I think if I'm not 224 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:24,440 mistaken, we just spent a lot of money to repair that soccer field and um your 225 00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:29,280 thought, Dennis, on allowing a dog Frisbee activity other than the fact 226 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:33,440 that it's against the leash law. Do you think that would harm the field? Well, I 227 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,640 think it it's not just a harm on the field. I think it's sing it sends the 228 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:42,160 wrong message too because um it's when you open up that that door 229 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,360 then it's hard to close it again and then you know right afterwards you're 230 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,880 going to have people bringing dogs up there and say well I saw them up there 231 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:52,240 last weekend you had an event you had dogs up there I'm just I'm coming in 232 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:57,360 with my dog I'll be done in five minutes and I'm leaving and then out comes the 233 00:19:54,559 --> 00:20:02,400 book of a thousand and1 excuses of why their dog is different in their situ 234 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:06,559 their situation is is an exception and it makes like I said it goes back to 235 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:10,640 being really unmanageable. There's just no way to really manage it. So I I 236 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:14,240 strongly believe it's all or none. You either either allow it or you don't 237 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,960 allow it. But if you don't allow it, you don't allow it sometimes in certain 238 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:22,720 situations, in certain circumstances. I don't think that works. I think that's a 239 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:27,200 recipe for disaster. It is 240 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:32,480 because you have people that are good about keeping their their dogs off of 241 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:36,799 all the parks and fields and all of that and then all of a sudden they see 242 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:40,480 someone coming in a Frisbee thing and you can't make it for one and not the 243 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:46,799 other. I'd have to agree with that. So, all 244 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:53,679 right. So, um I think we're Joe. Do we need a motion to put a hold on the 245 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:58,640 article? Oh, and I think it would be uh the board you and Moren could just vote 246 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:02,400 to um uh that your recommendation to town meeting will be to pass over the 247 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:09,120 Okay. So moved. Do I hear a second? Moren 248 00:21:05,679 --> 00:21:15,159 second. All in favor? Roll call vote. Moren Cornell I. Laura I will pass over 249 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:19,760 this article the town meeting. Okay. Thank you for coming in 250 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Michael. Yeah. Real quick thing. Yeah, we have the 251 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,400 state. We have one of the biggest towns of state park forest. There's plenty 252 00:21:24,919 --> 00:21:32,799 places. Don't let the people fool you. I go up there state for problems too. But 253 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:38,039 we have we're one of the largest towns of state more than a third of updated. 254 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:41,960 Yeah, we have huge you really think we'll see more of 255 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:46,480 that. Big right. So 256 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:51,679 yeah, we'll get together before then. They said I read the wording and they 257 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:58,159 want it didn't it didn't because we vote this vote in all the leash wall is gone. 258 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:03,799 Yeah, that would be we need we'll start back. Okay. So, all right. All right. 259 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:11,360 Thank you. Have a good night. Little beard sign. You have a little beard on. 260 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:17,080 I should. Yeah. All right. See you. Scared how much gray I can shows up if I 261 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:22,320 do though. Uh oh. Not going there. All right. So the 262 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:27,200 annual meeting motions and presentation discussion. So 263 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:32,159 um I guess one of the main questions will be especially for for or Moren. I'm 264 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:39,360 going to assume both of you and that that Moren will be uh recovered and and 265 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:44,159 and full of energy for town meeting. I hope so. It'll be pretty lonely up 266 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:48,880 there. Never thought um I hope so. I don't like being sick. 267 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:54,000 And the in the board's packet is not only the the motions which um the board 268 00:22:52,159 --> 00:23:01,159 was copied on an email I sent to Dave Ler because he raised a question with 269 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:06,880 the motion. So these next 24 36 hours final refinements of the cards. 270 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Okay. Um so I have the motions. We're we're producing the cards. We haven't 271 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:16,799 printed them yet. Um, but I also, uh, Sue worked on a motion assignments. Uh, 272 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:22,000 Brett is not going to be at town meeting. So, question ends up being, you 273 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:27,000 know, in this in this list, I'm just showing the hard copy for for Laura. Um, 274 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:31,600 you know, out of the the 47 articles, 275 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:36,240 um, you know, about 30 of them are the select board. So, we can do it a couple 276 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:40,559 ways. We can say, you know, do you want to just one hand on the first half, 277 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:45,360 someone else take the second half? Well, Morin, I don't mind playing it by ear 278 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:50,559 till Thursday night because the meeting you were at the wedding. I couldn't 279 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:55,200 speak and Brett goes, "What motions do you want to make?" And I said, "The ones 280 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:59,520 with the fewest words because more than a sentence." And I choked to death. So, 281 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:06,960 let's just play it by ear. Thursday night. I just a recommendation um that I 282 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:13,120 think um when I first got on the board, Fincom always did the omnibus 283 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:19,440 article, all the stabilization articles and 284 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:28,320 OP. I mean, let's share the wealth. So, this um I sent the packet link back 285 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:33,679 to like your Gmail. If you look through, you'll see we're spreading the wealth. 286 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:39,200 So I already have it going to the FY26 budget stabilization, capital 287 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:44,880 stabilization, OPED. Um, so I already have that divided and then CPC board of 288 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:49,919 assessors. So I'm trying to spread spread the wealth. Um, so that's already 289 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:55,279 I saw that. I saw that, Joe, and I thank you for it. Um, I just hope I wanted to 290 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,919 know if um Laura was on board with that, too. 291 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,840 Absolutely. Especially if I'm the only one there. 292 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,600 You might be. Yeah. I hope I hope not. I hope you're 293 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:12,559 feeling better. But yeah, I think you know Joe's spreading it out. I agree we 294 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:17,919 should do it that way. I'll carry whatever I need to carry. If you can, 295 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,919 you know, if you're a warm body for support and that's all you manage to do, 296 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:26,320 that's fine. As long as you're, you know, you don't contaminate anyone else, 297 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:30,960 we'll be fine. Mask on. if I'm still sick. I don't know. Just came on me all 298 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:37,760 of a sudden. I was going good this morning and then man, I hit the wall. 299 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:46,799 Wow. I don't know what it is. So, um we'll have these cards separated 300 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:52,480 out. So, um we are posted for 6:30. Okay. 301 00:25:47,559 --> 00:26:00,000 um uh if we may not need to, but if we wanted to open it and then if the PI if 302 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:04,400 um whoever shows up um wants wants to take on a specific article, we can have 303 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:09,520 that discussion. Okay. Um or if there's information in uh in the meantime 304 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:14,240 something changes because I know there's some attention being paid to the Holy 305 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:19,919 Angels. Yes. they at least will give us we're posted so if we need to react to 306 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:26,880 something I'll I'll be preparing to and work with with Laura on a a slide within 307 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:32,799 the articles just uh especially for that article 27 holy angels just just to sort 308 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:37,200 of state what what the board's objective is with that article yes I think we need 309 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:44,080 to clarify article 27 Moren I don't know if you've noticed but it's been all over 310 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:49,679 Facebook they're presenting it as this is an article to put the arts in there 311 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:55,440 and it's really an article to determine the structural integrity period end of 312 00:26:52,159 --> 00:27:01,200 discussion. Um I thought we've made ourselves clear in multiple meetings but 313 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:05,679 I guess people have run with it and I've read things and I've been like wow 314 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:12,559 that's amazing because I don't know that but it is what it is. So Joe can clarify 315 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:17,440 and I think we'll be fine. I just don't want people voting against the money 316 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:21,120 because they don't want the art settle. We do not know what is going in there. 317 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:25,679 We just need to know if the building's structurally sound. There's a lot of 318 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:30,720 things that have to be done to it and we need to have somebody look at it. We 319 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,679 need a we need a number because numbers change 320 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:39,840 and a long time in that article. I wish I I wish I could 321 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,080 buy a house that was priced six years ago. Yeah, I think that's a perfect 322 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,480 example. Yep. 323 00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:54,039 So, okay. All right. Okay. Well, that was 324 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:58,919 easy. Okay. Um I honestly my emails have been wacky. 325 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:04,000 I did not see the minutes, so I apologize. So, I think Moren, I'd like 326 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:08,000 to pass on the minutes because I didn't see them come in. I I don't know what's 327 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:12,880 Well, that my pants have been on fire with the spring market has hit hot and 328 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:19,200 fast at work. So, um, honestly, I said to Joe earlier, 329 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:26,000 if anyone's pants aren't on fire, I'm not paying attention to them. It It just 330 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:30,080 is what it is. Not in a bad way. No, no, I don't mind passing over. We can do it 331 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,600 at the next Or we could do even Thursday night if you wanted to. Okay. And um I I 332 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:41,919 think our next meeting is supposed to be May 6th, but that's that's the day of 333 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:46,000 the election. So I'd like to move it to the following week. Just kick everything 334 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:51,279 one week. I think that's what we usually do. I don't think we usually meet 335 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:55,200 election night. Towns don't. So even though it would be scheduled the sixth, 336 00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:00,159 it would be the following week, which would be what? 13th. 337 00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:07,520 Got to change our meeting to the 13th and the what? 27th. On the 338 00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:11,200 27th, I think that's a good idea. You mean we're not going to meet every 339 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:15,200 week? I think we've been here every week all 340 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:20,640 just I think we have one week off since January last week. Seriously? Yeah. 341 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:26,039 Yeah. I think I didn't know what to do with myself that one Tuesday because I 342 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,039 was missing all of you. 343 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:36,360 All right. So, I think we do it the 13th and the 27th. That's fine. Yep. Brett 344 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:43,880 may be back. Yep. In full swing by then. So, do I hear a motion? Did I move on to 345 00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:48,919 We appreciate it. We We'll recruit Denise. 346 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Um do I hear a motion to adjurnn? Anyone else? Sure. For um that motion for 347 00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:05,120 adjourn because he he is on the call. I would like to uh thank Dennis for 348 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:10,559 stepping in and being the acting town manager for the last week. Um yeah, the 349 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:18,080 fact that I didn't get any emails or calls uh on anything. I I know Dennis 350 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:21,760 had uh had everything locked down and I was going to say, Dennis, you were so 351 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:27,200 spectacular. I didn't even realize you were doing the job. 352 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:30,080 You wasn't telling anybody. I didn't know that. 353 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:39,600 So, well, well, Joe is doing a southern tour. You know, you did an awesome job, 354 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:44,240 Dennis, as always. Absolutely spectacular. So, now Joe, we have to 355 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:50,080 wonder, why was it so quiet while you were gone? Are you really the center of 356 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:53,200 the tornado at all times? Maybe. Maybe. So, 357 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:59,200 all right. Well, I want to thank everyone. Um, do I hear a motion to 358 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:03,200 adjourn? I move that we adjourn our meeting. 359 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:08,640 I second the motion. Roll call vote. Marin Dwell. I Laura have I. Thanks 360 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:13,760 everyone. That's record time. 52 minutes. 361 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,559 Thank you for putting up with me. Thank you. Kip banner.