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[4:49] okay welcome uh tonight is the um first
[4:54] CIP committee meeting uh Monday December
[4:57] 2nd 2024
[5:00] um I'm GNA ask uh Addison to call the
[5:04] role Carberry Montgomery here bod here
[5:09] linhard Nicholas here
[5:14] Hilbert
[5:16] penelli Butler here Graves here and Mr
[5:21] hbr is absent at the
[5:24] moment uh I'm going to start the meeting
[5:26] as we start all of our meetings with uh
[5:28] reading the character count statement
[5:31] Urbandale is a national leader and
[5:32] character counts endeavoring at all
[5:34] times to promote and model the
[5:36] principles of trustworthiness respect
[5:39] responsibility fairness caring and
[5:41] citizenship in conducting tonight's
[5:43] meeting we expect that all participants
[5:45] will act in a respectful manner
[5:47] consistent with these
[5:51] principles I am going to turn the
[5:53] meeting over now to our assistant city
[5:55] manager Curtis
[5:57] Brown who will uh give us an
[6:01] introduction very good thank you council
[6:03] member tonight I'm sitting in for our
[6:05] city manager uh Aj Johnson during
[6:07] tonight's meeting but first I want to
[6:10] begin most importantly with the thank
[6:11] yous uh to you council member car
[6:14] Montgomery council member bod uh to Lori
[6:17] linhard representing the parks and recck
[6:19] commission Jackie Nicholas representing
[6:21] the plan and Zoning commission and
[6:22] community members John hrand Rob Hilbert
[6:25] Dominic penelli Matthew Butler and
[6:27] Daniel Graves we sincerely do from the
[6:30] staff perspective appreciate uh the work
[6:32] of uh the elected officials and all the
[6:35] community members who raised their hand
[6:37] uh to help with these important
[6:39] processes uh as important internally
[6:41] this document is the collective work of
[6:43] many Department directors and staff from
[6:46] engineering Caleb streepy wheeler
[6:48] Kristen broster and John lson from Parks
[6:50] and wreck Molly will height Scott Hawk
[6:52] and Jan hery from the Police Department
[6:55] chief Rob Johansson fire chief Mike
[6:57] Cardwell risk management and support
[6:59] Services John Conor the water utilities
[7:02] general manager Neil Weiss city clerk
[7:04] Nicole lunders and the finance
[7:06] department that takes all this
[7:08] information and puts it together in a
[7:09] presentation we can understand is Vivian
[7:12] Luna Addison rekus and Nikki
[7:14] lamb this committee uh does represent
[7:18] important perspectives in the Urbandale
[7:19] community and in that way it serves the
[7:22] larger Urbandale community and helping
[7:24] to review and shape the physical
[7:26] development of our community as laid out
[7:29] in in this Capital Improvements plan so
[7:31] you serve a very important role here
[7:33] Urbandale CIP process and the resulting
[7:36] document is something that the city can
[7:38] justifiably be proud of it exemplifies
[7:41] as you look at all the projects and the
[7:43] way it's done the city council's goals
[7:45] of accountability collaboration
[7:47] inclusive community quality of life
[7:49] safety and sustainability in the way
[7:51] that it is compiled reviewed approved
[7:54] and shared the document is also uniquely
[7:57] Urban Dale's own plans for major Capital
[8:00] expenditures to advance our community
[8:02] and meet needs in 11 categories
[8:04] including public art which is a unique
[8:06] aspect of urban Dees program we have a
[8:09] lot of work to do this evening so I will
[8:11] simply end with uh three quick reminders
[8:14] one that tonight is for the CIP
[8:16] committee to hear from the Departments
[8:18] about the planed projects in the
[8:19] proposed program and for the to
[8:21] committee to ask questions and if you so
[8:24] choose to propose amendments second that
[8:28] the public will have opport unities to
[8:30] express their views on the CIP in the
[8:32] public hearing on Monday December 16th
[8:34] at 6m and then again when the city
[8:37] council takes action to consider
[8:39] adopting the plan another public hearing
[8:42] will be held on Tuesday January 21 and
[8:45] finally a note to all that the topic for
[8:47] consideration tonight is the projects
[8:50] themselves policy that relates to the
[8:53] financing the method of construction
[8:55] delivery Etc are all policy decisions of
[8:58] the city council that will NE
[8:59] necessarily come later as projects come
[9:01] into clearer view in the CIP so without
[9:04] further Ado I'll turn it back to you
[9:06] madam chair thank you um I guess it is
[9:10] now uh Nikki's turn to tell us all about
[9:14] the
[9:17] money mine will be very short the money
[9:19] is set and balanced how about that so
[9:23] just a quick reminder of the types so
[9:25] the document in front of you is balanced
[9:27] from a general obligation Bond and Tiff
[9:29] Bond fing so those are our main Revenue
[9:31] sources that that we're most concerned
[9:33] about so those items are balanced um so
[9:36] as you move through the the document
[9:39] look at the types if you want something
[9:41] that is to be moved around that is that
[9:43] is your option to do but the you need to
[9:45] swap type for type so if it's a go and
[9:49] you want to switch a year move it around
[9:51] a little bit it needs to trade spots so
[9:53] my funding bucket needs to stay
[9:55] relatively level so that is the one
[9:58] reminder I give every year is you can
[10:00] move it around but go is not the same as
[10:02] storm water revenue or water revenue or
[10:04] whatever the other types are those are
[10:06] all a different think of it as a
[10:08] different checkbook I can't write checks
[10:11] from one thing to pay for something
[10:12] that's not the same category does that
[10:14] make sense um but otherwise this does
[10:16] assume that our tax levy stays at $149
[10:18] for Debt Service um and so that'll be a
[10:21] policy decision that goes through from a
[10:22] council perspective but that is what
[10:24] this document incorporates do you have
[10:27] any questions before we get started
[10:31] okay that was pretty short and sweet I
[10:33] know we're we're efficient this
[10:37] year I'm I'm not under any race with
[10:40] Adam this year so we can take our time
[10:43] but you know we all want to get home so
[10:47] uh we will go ahead and get started and
[10:50] I believe our first department is public
[10:55] art and just oh just to clarify we are
[10:58] going to go through all of the sections
[11:01] um all the presentations from the
[11:03] department head heads and then we will
[11:07] go back and make changes recommendations
[11:12] discussion but if you have questions
[11:15] please ask them during I guess or
[11:18] whenever but if you got a question about
[11:20] public art go ahead and and ask it
[11:23] during that
[11:26] time thank you C committe
[11:30] Jan hery Parks and Recreation director
[11:32] for those few of you that I haven't met
[11:35] before um the public art committee is
[11:38] one of the Committees that I oversee as
[11:40] the Parks and Recreation director we
[11:42] have um CIP funding for years it was a
[11:44] percentage of um certain projects and
[11:48] last year we started where the trends
[11:50] had been since 2008 on average
[11:54] $225,000 um for public art so that is
[11:56] what we are proposing again um is uh
[12:01] $25,000 annually for public art that
[12:03] does accumulate so if some years the
[12:06] public art committee does not recommend
[12:08] spending um certain amounts um that does
[12:11] accumulate um so be happy to answer any
[12:15] questions you have on public
[12:18] art it very much appears like John's
[12:21] truck is in the picture in front of
[12:23] us John Hol Brand's truck that we
[12:27] discussed oh if anyone else has noticed
[12:30] that I just it just jumped out of
[12:33] me and uh I didn't know what you were
[12:36] saying yeah pretty sure that might be it
[12:40] that could be that could be
[12:44] um and I would just like to um thank Rob
[12:47] Hilbert he serves on the chair of our
[12:49] public committee for many years so thank
[12:52] you
[12:56] rob okay uh seeing no questions uh we
[12:59] will move on to
[13:12] buildings all right good evening
[13:14] everybody I'm John lson I'm the director
[13:16] of engineering and public works I got
[13:19] the Short Straw so I get to start with
[13:20] this first one on the building here for
[13:22] the EVS it's not actually my
[13:25] page but this one here what we're
[13:28] proposing is looking at doing a couple
[13:31] level two uh charging stations within
[13:33] the city hall library parking lot um
[13:37] it's part of of a of Grant application
[13:39] so I think this is one we still got to
[13:40] wait and see if it gets the grant
[13:43] funding that's proposed in
[13:49] 2025 our next
[13:52] page fire
[13:56] related so excuse me so we will we
[13:59] actually own the charging stations or I
[14:02] know sometimes you can lease them or um
[14:04] which is a lot more lucrative sometimes
[14:06] as you don't have to update them it's
[14:08] automatically updated through the vendor
[14:10] uh I believe it's ownership but I'm not
[14:12] 100% sure on that
[14:25] okay you want to wait I think we should
[14:28] wait
[14:41] we started without you
[14:44] John but we're going to wait for you
[14:46] since you're here
[14:58] now for
[15:44] John we are really just getting started
[15:47] we're on page four we've only heard uh
[15:51] about public art and the possibility of
[15:54] some electric charging stations so uh
[15:58] we're just getting to the good
[16:00] stuff so if you want to go ahead Chief I
[16:03] think uh sure members of the committee
[16:06] um if you're familiar to are with our
[16:08] oldest Fire Station 41 7100 Douglas you
[16:10] recognize that it's been a main state of
[16:13] the city for a long time but it has
[16:14] reached end of life and the cost to fix
[16:17] it and update it so it can meet the
[16:19] needs of of a fully staffed station make
[16:21] it uh not really uh feasible financially
[16:25] to continue to put money into it so
[16:26] three years ago we started a study to
[16:29] identify based on area coverage where's
[16:31] the best place to build a fire station
[16:33] should we decide to replace Fire Station
[16:35] 41 that location was identified
[16:37] somewhere in the area of 86th and
[16:40] Meredith and that's based on area
[16:42] coverage maps and things like that um
[16:45] what you have before you tonight is
[16:46] simply to move Fire Station 41
[16:48] replacement out of an oute where it has
[16:51] been until this year and start moving
[16:53] forward the progress we're recognizing
[16:55] that we are going to need to have a plan
[16:56] for eventually identifying the s
[16:59] uh and then doing the work that we need
[17:01] to uh how we're going to fund it and
[17:03] then eventually building the building
[17:04] and that's what we pretty much have
[17:06] tonight we do not have a specific site
[17:08] we don't have a building plan we have a
[17:10] general idea that we just need your
[17:12] approval to continue to move it into the
[17:15] CIP so that we can appropriately plan
[17:17] for the next few years and that's Fire
[17:21] Station 41 pretty briefly
[17:34] thank you I'm very concerned about these
[17:36] other all these other potential
[17:39] locations
[17:40] about emergency vehicle exit and
[17:45] returning I can just see almost any
[17:48] place I can imagine that we're going to
[17:50] be confronted with a traffic jam in
[17:55] rushar and I I guess I make the same
[17:57] comments when you get to the police
[17:59] station I think that
[18:01] needs careful review and I'm sure you
[18:03] folks will
[18:05] thanks thanks John I know that's a big
[18:08] concern that I've brought up as we've
[18:10] been discussing various uh possibilities
[18:13] at the council level so um just know
[18:16] that that is uh a major consideration
[18:19] for us and I know uh you guys want to
[18:22] make sure you can get out as quickly as
[18:24] possible so I know we had discussions
[18:26] about different sites we have talked
[18:28] about access both going out and coming
[18:31] back and had conversations with
[18:32] engineering about different
[18:34] opportunities for how we would have to
[18:35] make that happen but again right now
[18:37] until we have an actual site uh which
[18:40] has gone into the discussion as we've
[18:41] looked at potential sites uh that has
[18:44] been a very important part of the
[18:45] discussion is that whole question as
[18:48] well so and you know technology is also
[18:51] our friend in that too with the ability
[18:53] to uh change the lights or the traffic
[18:56] signals in the in the vicinity of any
[18:59] location which I always seem to forget
[19:01] about that possibility we do have the
[19:03] possibility but also the understanding
[19:05] that most of the time uh when you see
[19:07] fire apparatus ambulances leaving the
[19:09] station they're not actually going out
[19:11] emergent so most of the time um probably
[19:14] about uh 55 60% of the time they're
[19:17] actually just going to wait for a break
[19:19] in traffic before they go uh because it
[19:21] isn't truly an emergency call if it is
[19:23] an emergency then obviously we have the
[19:25] ability to change the lights we have the
[19:27] ability to stop traffic um but we do try
[19:29] to make sure that we're being aware of
[19:31] the need to keep traffic moving
[19:33] throughout the city and we are a partner
[19:34] to that as
[19:37] well thank you you mentioned that this
[19:40] was in an oute before um the the Fire
[19:43] Station 41 replacement in 42 Renovations
[19:46] um what kind of triggered them to move
[19:48] forward from the out
[19:50] years what's triggered the 41 and I'll
[19:53] get to 42 in a minute with triggered 41
[19:55] is simply how it fits into a bigger
[19:58] picture one of the things that was
[19:59] brought to my uh Direction last year was
[20:03] uh before we can move forward with oute
[20:05] with planning Station 41 we needed to
[20:06] make sure that our partnership with
[20:08] Clive is solid which we have spent the
[20:10] last year working on uh our agreements
[20:12] with them to make sure that not only is
[20:14] that partnership going to continue which
[20:16] I think we saw a couple of weeks ago
[20:18] that they are committed to the
[20:19] partnership as well but also how any
[20:22] potential move of our sta of a station
[20:24] is going to reflect on our partners with
[20:26] Clive which we've made sure are all
[20:28] locked in down uh as we' moved forward
[20:30] in this the other part it's just the U
[20:33] it's the advanced part of planning
[20:34] making sure that we see how this fire
[20:36] station also fits into some of the other
[20:38] big projects you're going to hear a
[20:39] little bit later about a police uh
[20:41] building that we need to build and
[20:43] making sure that we're coordinating
[20:45] those projects to make sure one doesn't
[20:47] step on the other or cause a problem for
[20:48] the other and that's the reason to kind
[20:50] of move them both forward even though we
[20:53] don't have property and we don't have a
[20:54] plan at least we know how we're going to
[20:56] coordinate the pieces over the next few
[20:58] years
[20:59] so the funding for 25 is that just for
[21:01] site acquisition or is that for um it
[21:04] looks like it's kind of multi-year right
[21:06] you mean for 2026 for yeah yeah next
[21:09] year yeah uh that's basically just for
[21:11] initial design work that's assuming that
[21:15] uh if we've AC acquired a piece of
[21:17] property at some point over the next
[21:18] year and a half then we could move
[21:19] forward with starting that initial step
[21:21] that initial process thank you
[21:32] so moving on fire station 42 which is
[21:35] our Administrative Building um one of
[21:37] the things that we've done over the last
[21:39] year is to reassess our command
[21:40] structure within the department which we
[21:42] have done and last year we added
[21:44] Battalion Chiefs that means that there
[21:45] is one chief officer on duty 365 days
[21:49] which is something we definitely needed
[21:51] um running three stations plus our
[21:53] partnership with Clive so as part of
[21:55] that process we've identified that the
[21:57] building at uh on 121st Street uh does
[22:00] need some updates to allow us to do that
[22:03] in addition uh we need to bring our fire
[22:05] prevention staff from Station 41 which
[22:08] is where they're by themselves we need
[22:09] to bring them back over um so what we
[22:12] are proposing uh you'll notice is over a
[22:14] series of five years in phases to do the
[22:18] internal upgrades to the building we're
[22:20] not talking about knocking walls down or adding additional space it's more a p
[22:24] question about reallocating space within
[22:26] the buildings uh and addressing some
[22:28] frankly long-term needs of the building
[22:30] there are some Plumbing issues that are
[22:32] going to need to be addressed in in the
[22:33] coming years there are some hbac the
[22:35] building has reached it uh almost
[22:38] reaching its 30-year life which is the
[22:39] time when HVAC systems need to be
[22:41] updated electrical stuff in the building
[22:43] will need to be upgraded so this is all
[22:46] just a part of planning to keep that
[22:48] building in really good condition uh so
[22:50] that it'll continue to serve the
[22:51] community
[23:02] okay I think we're good all right then I
[23:04] will H it back
[23:10] off okay our next one here is on page
[23:13] six you can see this is at 9401 Hickman
[23:16] roads this is a parks and Public Works
[23:18] facility that's just recently
[23:19] constructed um next to it this was the
[23:22] original fleet building that was
[23:23] replaced by by the new building then
[23:26] down here in this other blue box that is where the solid waste trucks were
[23:29] parked that has now been moved into a
[23:32] new building here so what's being
[23:35] proposed right page here proposed uh for
[23:39] construction next year is this Fleet
[23:42] Maintenance building will have a new
[23:43] roof put on it um we did new siding on
[23:46] it when we did the other building and
[23:48] then this building here be a new roof
[23:51] and new siding installed on it currently
[23:54] there's three garage doors on the East
[23:56] and the West Side both sides here we're
[23:58] going to go down to one on each side
[24:00] since again it's a new purpose this will
[24:01] be mainly a storage building no longer
[24:04] housing the vehicles like it did in the
[24:06] past so again this one's under design
[24:09] and we're looking to bid that here in
[24:10] the next few
[24:13] months so next one is our police station
[24:15] replacement
[24:28] everyone I have a short PowerPoint I'm
[24:31] going to pull up just so I can remember
[24:34] to touch on everything
[24:36] um for those that were here last year we
[24:39] talked about a new police facility just
[24:42] to recap what we talked about uh our
[24:44] original building was built in
[24:47] 1981 um we uh did an addition renovation
[24:51] in
[24:52] 2009 currently the the facility is
[24:57] 23,800 there's an error on there it's
[24:59] about 23,000 Square
[25:01] ft uh at the time we opened that uh
[25:04] renovation addition onto the building um
[25:08] we filled it immediately so on in 2009
[25:11] if you can just think back to that date
[25:13] how long ago that was we were full that
[25:15] day um we had waited quite a while to do
[25:18] that addition so once we opened it we
[25:20] filled it immediately since that time
[25:22] we've added 14 sworn officers four
[25:25] administrative staff and three non-
[25:27] Department members that are housed at
[25:29] our station So currently we are at 69
[25:33] full-time staff 10 volunteers and uh the
[25:37] still have the three non-department
[25:38] staff that we
[25:40] house and then we we're talking about
[25:42] building this out so projected growth
[25:45] over the next several years um on
[25:49] average we need about one officer a year
[25:51] with our current rate of growth in the
[25:52] city of endale um we don't always get
[25:55] that but that's what we try to project
[25:57] out is about one sworn officer position
[26:00] every year um we did a a space needs
[26:03] analysis and they determined that the
[26:05] current facility is not feasible to
[26:07] expand the needs of the
[26:11] department uh new facility some of the
[26:13] things that we really need to um look at
[26:17] and address with a new facility are
[26:18] locker rooms we're currently out of
[26:20] locker rooms so we have new officers
[26:23] coming on the department we have no
[26:24] Locker space for them at all um we're
[26:28] looking to upgrade our emergency
[26:30] Operation Center right now we just use
[26:32] the front conference room and that is
[26:33] for the whole city so the city of
[26:35] Urbandale doesn't really have a
[26:37] Emergency Operations Center at this time
[26:40] um our property evidence um crime lab is small um and it's not properly built
[26:46] to house some of the um things that we
[26:50] house in there specifically drugs the
[26:52] odors those types of things need to be
[26:54] uh addressed a little better than they
[26:57] are right now we did put a vent in the
[26:59] one room because the the smells were so
[27:01] bad that it helps but it's probably not
[27:04] up to Snuff to be honest with you um we
[27:08] need some soft interview rooms um what
[27:10] that really is for is victims of crime
[27:13] especially children when they come in
[27:15] and we have a a place for them to go that's look a
[27:20] little more relaxed a little more uh
[27:22] friendly environment so uh the children
[27:25] feel comfortable and they can uh tell us
[27:27] what happened to them we we uh have a
[27:31] closet right now that we use for our
[27:32] mothers and wellness room um for our
[27:35] nursing mothers it's just not adequate
[27:37] for these times we do not have a fitness
[27:40] area currently um so the new facility we
[27:43] would uh like to have a fitness area
[27:45] built into that as
[27:47] well secure parking lot for our
[27:50] employees right now our current
[27:51] facilities is not secured it's open for
[27:55] access to anybody that happens to be
[27:56] walking around our building
[27:59] um and then secured covered parking for
[28:00] our Fleet when we did the expansion in
[28:03] 2009 we did add on a covered parking
[28:06] area and we've outgrown that about half
[28:09] of our Fleet sits out in the back
[28:10] parking lot
[28:12] uncovered um we need a training room
[28:15] that has a defensive tactics area in
[28:18] other words like a mat room so we can do
[28:20] uh handcuffing techniques those types of
[28:22] things defensive tactics and we we
[28:25] currently don't have an area for that we
[28:27] have an range that was built in our
[28:29] original building in
[28:30] 1981 um it's a three lane range it's
[28:34] fairly short all of the equipment that
[28:37] ran that range is outdated they no
[28:39] longer make it we make do in there right
[28:42] now um uh since we built the the
[28:46] original building the weapons that we
[28:48] use and the police department have
[28:49] changed dramatically um most of our
[28:52] officers carry rifles now we are unable
[28:54] to qualify or train with rifles in the
[28:57] current range it's just not big enough
[28:58] it can't handle
[29:00] it um storage uh we do a lot of
[29:03] community events now that we never did
[29:05] in the past we have lots of stuff to to do that so if you've ever been to our
[29:09] National Night Out or our Trunk or Treat
[29:12] we have lots of things that we use for
[29:13] those events and we really don't have
[29:15] anywhere to put them uh we'd also like
[29:17] to uh as part of the building project
[29:20] have a large community room that we
[29:21] could have open to the public that
[29:22] people could use come in and use at any
[29:24] time we don't have that currently and
[29:27] then uh we'd also like to incorporate a
[29:29] lot of green initiatives into the
[29:31] building design if we were able to move
[29:34] forward um the city did acquire a piece
[29:36] of ground at 100th in Douglas it's not
[29:39] specifically designated for the police
[29:41] department but we are looking at that as
[29:44] a potential site for a new new facility
[29:47] I pull up this slide here it kind of
[29:50] shows a little bit of how we could fit
[29:52] the new facility in there um the blue
[29:55] box that you see there that would be a
[29:57] twostory um police
[29:59] structure the yellow would be the
[30:02] parking lot The Orange Box over onto the
[30:05] left would be the new Range the kind of
[30:09] lighter orange colored box up to the top
[30:11] is a um secured parking area for staff
[30:15] and then the dark colored box would be
[30:17] our covered parking area for
[30:19] Fleet that's just roughly fitting it in
[30:22] there just to make sure that it's
[30:24] adequate for that space if we wanted to
[30:26] move forward there
[30:29] the new facility when they did the space
[30:30] needs analysis they indicated that we
[30:34] need approximately 74,000 square feet
[30:36] including the covered parking the
[30:39] covered parking I believe from that
[30:40] estimate was about 12,000 square fet of
[30:44] that the estimate on the cost was 47
[30:47] million um you see an alternative solar
[30:50] array there for 2.3 million um that was
[30:54] if we built the facility in 2025 that 47
[30:57] so
[30:58] figure a 5 perish increase each year as
[31:01] it goes out so the projected cost is
[31:04] about 53 million do for 2028
[31:09] construction that's big that's a lot to
[31:12] throw you guys any questions what's
[31:16] your price per square foot that's I like
[31:20] over 600 bucks a square foot right yeah
[31:23] something similar to that yeah I was
[31:25] going to say 500 and something I
[31:26] couldn't remember off the top top of my
[31:29] head yeah I was G to ask the same
[31:30] question I'm assuming you had some
[31:32] Consultants help you develop that cost
[31:33] OPN did the the space needs analysis and
[31:37] came up with the size the cost estimate
[31:39] and construction estimate for the
[31:42] project yep yeah it's that's expensive
[31:45] per square foot it's a big number yeah
[31:47] so is the 74,000 square foot estimate is
[31:50] that you mentioned it was cover your
[31:53] existing capacity but also anticipated
[31:56] like how far out antici ated capacity is
[31:59] it is it going to cover you in 10 years
[32:00] and 20 years I think it covers out 20
[32:03] years projected growth for 20
[32:11] years could you pull up the map one
[32:16] again so is the range attached to the
[32:21] building I guess I don't know if I've if
[32:22] I have not seen this and didn't pay
[32:24] attention if I did they've done it a
[32:26] couple different ways uh the initial
[32:29] design when we were thinking about
[32:30] putting it over on the initial on our site that we're at now they had an
[32:34] option where it could be detached or
[32:36] attached okay um this would be attached
[32:39] I think the best way to do it is to be
[32:40] attached but again this was just kind of
[32:43] putting all the pieces of the puzzle on
[32:45] there not necessarily how it would lay
[32:47] out for sure there's another design
[32:49] where the parking lot's in the front of
[32:50] the building and all that so but yes I
[32:53] would like to see the range attached to
[32:55] the building rather than Separate Myself
[32:58] but it all depends on how it would fit
[32:59] on whatever site we end up at okay thank
[33:02] you I I have two unrelated questions
[33:05] could you tell us a little bit more
[33:06] about the use of the large community
[33:09] room and then my second question is
[33:11] could you speak to the importance of the
[33:14] features you have here for Recruitment
[33:17] and Retention of officers sure uh the
[33:20] community room I see that the example I
[33:23] would give you is if you've been to the
[33:25] new P County Sheriff's uh office office
[33:28] they have a really nice large community
[33:30] room at at the front side of their
[33:32] building that's open for the public to
[33:34] use for events or or or anything that
[33:36] community that needed that space for
[33:40] what we currently have we have a small
[33:41] training room in the back of our
[33:43] facility so if someone comes to our
[33:45] place they have to walk through our
[33:46] secure area of our Police Department to
[33:48] get back to that area the designs I've
[33:50] seen that work the best or those
[33:52] Community rooms are right off the lobby
[33:54] of the building you know in the front of
[33:55] the building when people can come in and
[33:57] utilize that so that would be the one
[33:59] aspect um as far as the amenities to
[34:03] attract officers there's been a lot of
[34:06] uh police department and this is not a
[34:08] reason to build a police department
[34:09] obviously but this is one of the things
[34:10] that we consider it's been very hard to
[34:12] hire police officers recently uh since
[34:15] about 2020 we've struggled um to hire
[34:18] police officers and this is a nationwide
[34:20] problem um so one of the things we're
[34:22] seeing in the Metro there's been a lot
[34:24] of new facilities built Clive I can just
[34:27] Clive County Altuna whiley's building
[34:30] one now um Bond Durant no not bant sorry
[34:34] um they all have new facilities and they
[34:36] all have all the amenities they have
[34:38] workout facilities they have really nice
[34:39] locker rooms with big lockers that can
[34:42] hold all the gear for the officers have
[34:44] nice shower facilities things like that
[34:47] um they have covered parking for their
[34:49] Fleet so they're not out in the weather
[34:50] with their Fleet they have secure area
[34:53] for their vehicles for their employees
[34:54] vehicles to park those kind of things
[34:56] that's the kind of things you compete
[34:58] with when you're trying to hire an
[34:59] officer and they can go anywhere they
[35:00] want when you have a really good
[35:03] applicant right now in this environment
[35:05] they can go work for any police
[35:06] department they want to in the Metro and
[35:08] we all pay about the same we all have
[35:10] about the same type of benefits and
[35:12] those types of things so start looking
[35:14] at where do I go to work every day and
[35:18] we can't compete with that right now
[35:20] with some of the newer facilities so
[35:22] that that is a thought for us but that's
[35:24] just one little p tiny piece of the
[35:26] puzzle
[35:28] thanks what are the plans for the former
[35:30] station it's kind of nice where it's at
[35:32] now in this administrative area is that
[35:35] GNA continue to be an administrative
[35:37] building yes I think there's been a lot
[35:39] of hands raised for for we put this in
[35:42] there and that I've heard and this is
[35:44] just totally this is just here say
[35:47] Senior Center uh social services that the city's
[35:52] talking about getting into more Social
[35:54] Services type activities those types of
[35:56] things uh Park and wreck has some other
[35:59] uh programming that they'd like to do in
[36:00] there for classes and things so I don't
[36:03] think it will go unused at all and it is
[36:05] a decent building we've just simply
[36:07] outgrown it it has some older parts to
[36:09] it and that thing you know that would
[36:10] need to be addressed but uh it functions
[36:13] every obviously it functions every day
[36:14] and we work out of there and and it's
[36:16] been a good facility for us we've just
[36:19] simply outgrown it and it's just not
[36:20] functioning as high standard as we'd
[36:24] like so with the fire stations they
[36:26] talked about the location effect on
[36:28] response time um would it be like a
[36:30] study uh on this location or we we
[36:34] operate a lot different than the fire
[36:35] department we send our people out now
[36:37] obviously you want to be kind of
[36:38] centered in the city and honestly moving
[36:41] a little bit further west gets us a
[36:43] little closer to that Center probably
[36:45] but we are out in our areas working out
[36:47] of our cars so we don't necessarily
[36:50] respond from the station so it's less of
[36:52] a concern for us where we're at um I
[36:55] wouldn't want to be on one clear on one
[36:58] side of the city as opposed to the other
[36:59] because sometimes you do respond from
[37:01] there and you have to have to get
[37:03] somewhere and you know just coming back
[37:04] to that home base but that area and even
[37:08] right here is ideal for us to be there
[37:10] because we just put our cars out in the
[37:12] areas and they stay out there most of
[37:13] the
[37:17] day would you go over this colored map
[37:19] again and show tell me what's under roof
[37:22] and what's not under roof okay so the so
[37:25] the blue is the two story that would be
[37:28] the main facility okay two stories yep
[37:31] twostory got to be
[37:33] twostory to to facilitate the square
[37:35] footage needs the dark Square there that
[37:38] would be the covered
[37:40] parking uh for the
[37:42] fleet the light orange would be uh that
[37:45] would just be open air parking for staff
[37:48] but it would be fenced
[37:50] in and then the yellow is just a parking
[37:52] lot for the public and then the dark
[37:55] orange clear to the left that would be
[37:57] the rain and that would be under roof
[38:00] obviously again those are probably going
[38:01] to get moved around like uh Bridget's
[38:05] talked about connecting that to the
[38:07] building so we'll probably move that
[38:09] where those are those facilities are
[38:11] together just hadn't designed just
[38:13] piecing it in there to make sure we got
[38:15] enough uh in the lot there to be able to
[38:18] handle
[38:19] it my understanding is then the the
[38:23] yellow and the brown are parking the
[38:27] yellow and the light orange okay the
[38:30] yellow and the light orange so that one
[38:31] hole strip there would be parking either
[38:34] staff parking or public parking now are
[38:38] either one of them under roof
[38:41] no that's the dark brown right the
[38:44] covered Fleet the the dark brown is the
[38:49] fleet there I got it on there this is
[38:52] the fleet covered parking on this
[38:54] diagram here this is the two-story
[38:57] building
[38:57] Fleet parking open air staff parking
[39:01] fenced in public
[39:04] parking
[39:08] range how much demand do you have for
[39:11] public parking especially if you did not
[39:14] have um a community
[39:17] broom not as big as the spot shows on
[39:20] here probably okay uh right now we share
[39:23] our parking lot with uh um we have a
[39:26] little bit of spill over from the water
[39:28] department and then some of the other
[39:30] City staff park over there occasionally
[39:31] on the one end as well and then we
[39:33] obviously have parking for the park and
[39:35] the soccer fields there that people
[39:37] utilize but no we don't have that big a
[39:40] need for parking uh for us with the
[39:42] community room that would make a
[39:45] difference okay I think a lot of that
[39:47] will get vetted in the design um when
[39:49] you say green initiatives are you just
[39:51] talking about the solar panels or is
[39:53] there other things that you're putting
[39:55] in here for I would like to do whatever
[39:57] feasible to make the building you know
[40:00] carbon neutral um those things would
[40:02] have to be explored obviously have a
[40:04] price tag to them you see the solar
[40:05] array they estimated at 2.3 mil so yeah
[40:09] whatever uh we can do there to make I
[40:12] think it's an opportunity for the city
[40:14] um I know that there's interest in that
[40:16] from the council um to be
[40:18] environmentally conscious and I think
[40:20] this is an opportunity with a brand new
[40:22] building to to set the example if we
[40:24] wanted to
[40:29] very important questions would you uh
[40:32] consider having uh National Night Out
[40:36] here or would you keep it here I think
[40:39] we keep it down here just with the field
[40:42] open field and the helicopter that we
[40:44] bring in and all the little things that
[40:46] we do I think we keep it down
[40:49] here that definitely decreases the need
[40:52] for space there right
[40:58] now the 74,000 foot figure that just
[41:02] applies to the light blue on your
[41:07] diagram light blue and the dark Square
[41:10] above it so the fleet that that is also
[41:13] en includes the fleet covered parking
[41:17] the
[41:18] 74,000 the estimate in the uh space
[41:21] needs analysis was 12,000 Square ft for
[41:25] Fleet parking and that's that dark
[41:27] Square okay that's under roof that's
[41:29] under roof is it enclosed or just under
[41:32] roof enclosed is what it's projected to
[41:37] be and of course the shooting range is
[41:40] enclosed also that's correct that's part
[41:43] of the
[41:44] 74,000 now say again what the estimated
[41:47] cost per square foot was I don't have it
[41:51] right in front of me it's around it's
[41:53] the high
[41:54] 500s I I just did some math on
[41:58] that it was $716 a square foot if you're
[42:01] looking at it the 53 million divided by
[42:03] 74k square
[42:05] feet when the original estimate for 47 I
[42:09] think that's probably when it was in the
[42:10] 500 but now we're waiting and we're
[42:13] waiting for four years from when we did
[42:16] the assessment and the price goes up
[42:19] every year about 5% is what she uh from
[42:21] OPN what Danielle told
[42:23] me this seemed like an awful High number
[42:26] to me oh that's really really bothered
[42:29] me any what are these other police
[42:33] stations that have been built what are
[42:34] they running for square foot I believe
[42:37] right around that 500 square $500 a
[42:40] square
[42:42] foot I know there's a lot of special
[42:44] stuff in the police station that just
[42:46] kind of bothered me a little bit
[42:58] so so there's an open field right next
[42:59] to the existing police station is that
[43:02] not an option to expand in that area or
[43:05] the field to the west of us is in the
[43:06] flood plane that soccer field down there
[43:09] yeah we can only go out a little bit
[43:10] this this building all of this will fit
[43:13] on our existing site the problem is you
[43:15] have to tear down and you'd have to tear
[43:17] down a pretty good building and then you
[43:19] would have to move us somewhere for 18
[43:22] months to two years they estimated that
[43:24] to be about just about $2 million just
[43:27] to rent out something to hous us for a
[43:29] couple years so after we got to looking
[43:31] at it a little closer we thought it was
[43:32] pretty wasteful honestly to tear down a
[43:35] decent building and then spending that
[43:38] money to houses somewhere that you're
[43:40] not going to obviously get
[43:44] back yes this this same boxes will all
[43:49] fit on that current site that we have
[43:51] it's a little tighter but it will fit in
[43:53] there
[43:57] well thank you Chief uh we will move on
[44:00] to the everpresent public works
[44:03] satellite
[44:06] facility it's always tough to top the
[44:09] police
[44:14] station okay so now we're on on page
[44:16] eight so yeah this is our satellite
[44:19] facility out west so we had 170th Street
[44:22] here Waterford road so we're in the
[44:23] northeast corner of that intersection uh
[44:26] it's been a multi project so here in the
[44:28] middle first we constructed a fuel
[44:30] Island out here then we constructed a
[44:33] storage and break room facility here
[44:35] it's not in the area yet but we just
[44:37] constructed a salt storage building here
[44:40] so the next phase we were looking at was
[44:41] to PVE some more of the parking lot and
[44:44] then create some material bunker storage
[44:46] we just kind of re-evaluated how we were
[44:48] doing things and it was originally in
[44:49] for 2025 it's not something we need
[44:52] right now so we pushed it back to 2028
[44:55] we'll continue to evaluate and see if we
[44:57] need it come closer to 28 if not we'll
[44:59] just continue to slide it until we do
[45:01] need need the
[45:04] facilities so what is a materials bunker
[45:08] it's basically concrete walls on three
[45:11] sides of the roof that you put your rock
[45:13] in put your B in just we have that
[45:15] currently at our Hickman SES working and
[45:17] we don't right now have a huge need for
[45:19] large storage of materials out
[45:22] west what's the one I thought what we
[45:25] had that's not on the aerial was that's
[45:27] salt oh just for salt yep that's only
[45:29] for salt so that that is something we
[45:31] use quite a bit again during winter
[45:33] storms it's difficult to get back down
[45:35] to Hickman to reload with the salt
[45:36] versus if you're out west you got the
[45:38] facility here to use same thing with the
[45:41] fuel
[45:43] Island that Circle there that that is
[45:46] the water tower is that right that's
[45:49] just marking the location the water
[45:51] tower is actually further to the South
[45:53] here it is right down here oh
[45:57] so bounce out a little bit you can see
[46:00] the water tower here we're up here at
[46:02] 170th in Waterford I should have known
[46:06] that okay beg your
[46:09] Parton I appreciate you pushing it out
[46:12] until when you thought you'd actually
[46:13] need it so
[46:16] it's our next one is on page nine so
[46:20] this is 10841 Douglas Avenue so that is
[46:23] just to the northeast of 109th and
[46:26] Douglas
[46:27] this is the former con Lodge um the city
[46:30] has purchased this property um we did an
[46:32] asbest review which showed there was
[46:34] some asbest we'll need to take care of
[46:36] and then our intent is to demo the
[46:38] building and then again there's other
[46:40] options for the property once that's
[46:42] done but our intent is to get that bid
[46:45] out in the January February time frame
[46:47] and have it tore down by you know
[46:49] summertime so that we can move on with other City initiatives with the
[46:53] property
[46:58] that does wrap up building section so
[47:01] are they going to be City buildings on
[47:03] this lot in the future is that what
[47:04] you're saying no no it'll likely likely
[47:07] be sold or a partnership for some
[47:09] different type of possibly housing so
[47:12] have we asked is there any interest for
[47:13] a developer to look at that and tear
[47:15] down the buildings at their cost
[47:17] or um I guess right now that hasn't been
[47:19] the council's direction go that way okay
[47:27] I did have a question for you that was
[47:29] just back a couple of pages the uh parks
[47:31] and Public Works storage building for
[47:33] the roof and the
[47:35] sighting are you is that going to be
[47:37] something that's bid out it seems like a
[47:39] very high number for roofing and
[47:40] sighting so it will it will be bid out
[47:42] we have an architect hired now doing the
[47:45] design y thank
[47:48] you and keep in mind again we're not
[47:52] pricing these to be exactly what the
[47:54] bids come in we always try to have some
[47:56] cushion so that if you do get higher
[47:58] bids everything balances
[48:01] out sorry on the on the
[48:04] demolition when a a business leaves a
[48:08] property with hazardous material that
[48:11] they they're not liable for clean up the
[48:13] city's liable for that based on the
[48:15] agreement we negotiated with them it's
[48:17] the city's
[48:19] responsibility
[48:24] okay thats up the buildings
[48:27] next
[48:28] one major
[48:30] equipment or the fire department
[48:32] [Laughter]
[48:45] section okay so this first one that we
[48:47] have here and I come bearing good
[48:50] news where it says uh fire truck
[48:53] replacement in our current CIP we have
[48:55] 1.8 million
[48:57] uh to replace a ladder truck all both of
[48:59] our ladder trucks uh have reached end of
[49:02] life we've replaced one that was just
[49:03] pushed into the station two weeks ago
[49:06] you haven't seen the pictures of that
[49:07] it's worth it it's literally pushing it
[49:11] into the station pushing it in so as
[49:14] part of our agreements with Clive we
[49:15] explored the opportunity why can't we
[49:17] just flop trucks because we're going to
[49:20] run the ladder truck primarily into the
[49:22] cover in the City of Clive and so we
[49:25] said let's just see what we can do so
[49:27] rather than spend the $1.8 million which
[49:29] the CIP currently allocates to buy a
[49:31] second ladder truck we explored the
[49:34] opportunity uh which has now been
[49:35] through all the different iterations
[49:37] that says let's just buy Clive's truck
[49:39] and sell them our spare engine and then
[49:41] we can share them as needed so that's
[49:44] what this is actually doing here where
[49:45] it says
[49:46] $297,500 in next year's CIP that is what
[49:50] the difference in value between the two
[49:52] trucks has been appraised at so we would
[49:55] buy their truck for for roughly 700 and
[49:59] it's off the top of my head but roughly
[50:01] $770,000 they would buy our truck at 400
[50:05] and something thousand so basically the
[50:07] difference is about $300,000 which is
[50:09] what we're asking for and if we are able
[50:11] to finalize that deal then which we
[50:14] cannot do until the money is
[50:16] appropriated then uh we would not have
[50:18] to spend the $1.8 million on the other
[50:20] ladder truck because their ladder truck
[50:22] is only 10 years old and has an expected
[50:24] life of another 8 to 10 years so that's
[50:28] what we are doing with this particular
[50:29] piece again it's building on our
[50:32] partnership and and attempting to really
[50:33] be good stewards of the Public's money
[50:35] so that's what we're trying to do there
[50:38] so and by the way the arrangement we're
[50:41] working out with Clive is that actually
[50:42] we will still have access to our engine
[50:44] our former engine so that if we needed
[50:46] to borrow one we would be able to do
[50:48] which is something we already can do now
[50:50] so again trying to save the taxpayers
[50:53] money and and be the most efficient use
[50:55] especially these Reserve resources that
[50:58] you don't need every single day and
[51:00] these new trucks are getting very very
[51:02] expensive so trying to keep that going
[51:04] and they take a really long time to
[51:06] build they do take a very long time to
[51:08] build yes the current replacement
[51:10] estimate on a new ladder truck is almost
[51:13] up to four years
[51:14] now
[51:16] so there's that so we got to start
[51:18] planning what in a couple of years for
[51:20] the 10e uh truck well we actually have
[51:24] marked that out again as we move forward
[51:26] with Clive and our partnership we've
[51:27] agreed as to replacement schedules for
[51:29] all of our apparatus so that we can
[51:31] accurately and allow you to plan
[51:33] effectively for these bigger
[51:35] purchases well I don't think we can say
[51:37] enough about the value of that
[51:38] partnership and all of the work that uh
[51:41] the both departments have put in and the
[51:43] finance department and everyone um to to
[51:46] be such good stewards of of our taxpayer
[51:51] dollars I agree that's great great
[51:55] thinking yes we're trying
[51:58] so the next one is already uh in program
[52:00] for next year um the scbas which
[52:03] self-contained breathing apparatus those
[52:05] are the tanks we were on our back they
[52:07] have a hard lifespan of 15 years after
[52:10] 15 years you can't get them tested you
[52:12] can't work on them anymore you basically
[52:14] have to buy new ones so uh we have
[52:17] reached our end of life on our current
[52:18] packs and have been uh planning for this
[52:22] replacement we've been looking at
[52:23] different packs about how we need to
[52:24] move forward we are still in that same
[52:26] number uh so we don't need to make any
[52:28] adjustments to the number the plan is to
[52:30] replace those uh in in the summer and
[52:33] fall of next year in the 26 fiscal
[52:36] year and then the third one we have uh
[52:39] the fire tender um for those of you not
[52:42] familiar with the project a tender is a
[52:45] truck that hauls water and the um reason
[52:48] that it's in here and it's not programed
[52:50] is that it is simply a statement that as
[52:53] Council has explored the possibility of
[52:55] annexing future growth into the Western
[52:58] area we have identified that some of the
[53:00] areas that they have considered annexing
[53:02] in the past do not have any hydrants and
[53:04] if we were to Annex that area and be
[53:06] responsible for fire protection we would
[53:08] need to have an ability to at least on a
[53:11] temporary basis be able to bring our own
[53:14] water with us so that's the cost the in
[53:17] today's dollars of what a tanker or I'm
[53:19] sorry a tender would cost um we have no
[53:22] immediate needs to buy one we just have
[53:24] it standing by in the so that you can
[53:27] see and Council especially can see as
[53:29] they consider annexation plans what that
[53:31] would need to what we would need to do
[53:34] and answer to the question next is what
[53:37] about building a new fire station and
[53:38] the answer is we do not anticipate
[53:40] needing another fire station even with
[53:42] the proposed annexations for
[53:45] approximately the next 25 years uh
[53:47] basically until we get all the way out
[53:48] to Dallas Center if that annexation were
[53:51] to occur that's the point at which we
[53:52] would need to think about adding another
[53:54] station otherwise where we Loc located
[53:56] Station 43 will meet our expansion needs
[53:59] for the next 20 to 25 years including
[54:02] possible
[54:08] annexations and that covers equipment
[54:11] you have all the answers it's good we
[54:13] try there you go thank you it's like the
[54:17] technology section is pretty light I
[54:19] don't see James here tonight
[54:22] so um we'll turn it over to Jan I'm sure
[54:26] there's plenty of things that the parks
[54:29] department plenty of things in our wish
[54:35] list so we have a number of projects the
[54:37] ones that are out ears as with all of
[54:40] these projects we will not discuss too
[54:43] much so the first project isn't out here
[54:46] um for Oakwood Park
[54:49] Trail the Raccoon River Valley Trail so
[54:51] this is uh a key Link in the raccoon
[54:56] River Valley Trail connection so coming
[54:58] from the regional park this is an oute
[55:00] but if this land were ever to become
[55:02] available or an easement through it it
[55:05] would become a priority project so Jan
[55:09] that land is for
[55:10] sale it right for sale right now and so
[55:13] if it did sell are
[55:16] we are is the like the realter no to
[55:20] like talk to us or how I mean how would
[55:24] we track that
[55:26] I would anticipate if I mean if it gets
[55:30] I guess I don't know that for sure but
[55:31] if it um ever gets developed then
[55:34] Parkland dedication would be required
[55:36] but if it stays a single family house
[55:39] which most people have talked to us
[55:42] about
[55:44] abity okay yeah I did have a question on
[55:47] that I talked to a couple of local
[55:49] developers here that whole area is a
[55:51] flood plane right so it's probably not
[55:55] going to get developed into residential
[55:56] it's just too expensive so unless you
[56:00] know it's multif family or something
[56:02] with more doors there's no way to burm
[56:03] that
[56:04] and is that what's kind of preventing
[56:06] the sale of that and us being able to do
[56:09] the
[56:09] link I don't know what is preventing um
[56:12] the sale of it I will share that I've
[56:15] been with the city 26 years and we've
[56:17] visited with the current family a number
[56:19] of times over those years they had no
[56:21] interest in selling or giving easement
[56:24] or anything but that certainly is a
[56:26] priority for us because it's a
[56:29] significant um link Missing Link in this
[56:32] trail
[56:34] system so again it's an oute but I just
[56:36] wanted to mention it as it is a priority
[56:39] so silkwood Crossing this um section
[56:43] here 140 um 148 Street and this Trail
[56:49] when this development was uh put in the
[56:53] um developer was responsible for putting
[56:56] in in the the north south and east
[56:58] section so this is a missing section to
[57:01] provide um accessibility so that is U
[57:05] proposed for next year and not a hugely
[57:08] expensive compared to all the other
[57:10] projects you're looking at tonight put
[57:12] it that
[57:16] way silveren Ridge Trail so this is at
[57:19] North U park next to the Little League
[57:21] complex the Miracle League field the
[57:23] all-inclusive playground this section um
[57:26] of Trail each year we evaluate all of
[57:29] our 58 miles of trails and evaluate the level of of safety and What needs to
[57:35] what trail needs to be replaced or
[57:38] repaired um uh as a priority and this is
[57:42] a section this one right here is a
[57:44] significant slope it it's um averages
[57:48] over 10% slope so as part of this it
[57:51] would be total reconstruction is what's
[57:53] proposed and uh we we'd be looking for
[57:57] opportunities my fine colleagues here in
[57:59] engineering would be um looking for
[58:01] opportunities to make it reduce the
[58:03] slope and make it safer for trail users
[58:06] so this is plan design in 25
[58:08] Construction in
[58:13] 26 Waterford ro road uh continuation
[58:17] right now starting here going all the
[58:19] way down to Hickman we go over three
[58:21] miles without crossing a street so it's
[58:23] a pretty amazing um Trail linkage so
[58:27] this would continue North this is 156 in
[58:30] Waterford so we would continue North to
[58:33] um the uh Dallas County unincorporated
[58:37] and that is planned right now for
[58:41] 2026 so on this one in particular
[58:45] I I guess what is the reasoning for this
[58:48] getting bumped ahead of some of the
[58:50] other Trails or connections um that are
[58:53] planned because it right now you know
[58:56] there's nothing on the other end
[58:59] right and again where when we do Trail
[59:02] linkages one of them is as neighborhoods
[59:04] they can get on going in this direction
[59:07] so connecting anytime that we can
[59:09] connect neighborhoods connect to
[59:11] communities as well obviously this one
[59:13] isn't necessarily connecting to
[59:15] communities but we certainly would be
[59:17] looking at that of as this gets
[59:20] developed is this um getting developed
[59:23] in the next um two years obviously the
[59:26] plans then would be to for design and uh
[59:29] construction hopefully in in 26 or 27
[59:33] depending on one the design is but it
[59:36] certainly we evaluate these as we go of
[59:39] is there other priorities a lot of it's
[59:43] with all Trails as well as other
[59:45] projects kind of the hip bones connected
[59:47] to the knee bone and and so forth so um
[59:50] one thing has to be developed before
[59:52] another
[59:59] Barrett bosen Park is probably one of
[1:00:01] our most popular new parks so 156 in
[1:00:04] Waterford currently we actually just
[1:00:08] finished phase two which is pretty
[1:00:10] amazing so if you haven't been out there
[1:00:12] please go out and take a look uh it
[1:00:14] includes an optical course climbing
[1:00:16] Boulder a pave pass for accessibility so
[1:00:19] this is what was just completed um this
[1:00:23] section here and what is proposed in
[1:00:27] 2026 is a trail
[1:00:30] connection I'm going to zoom in here
[1:00:32] again so this is all Barrett bosen
[1:00:36] Park we have a a trail that that was put
[1:00:39] in and there's a Creek in between so
[1:00:42] proposes a trust bridge to connect this
[1:00:45] whole neighborhood to the park so you
[1:00:47] don't have to go all the way up and down
[1:00:49] and across so that's um proposed for 28
[1:00:54] and then future development um as
[1:00:56] outlined here isn't an oute for other
[1:00:59] amenities what's wonderful about this
[1:01:01] park is the the bosen foundation has um
[1:01:04] donated the first phase they donated
[1:01:06] over $100,000 this phase that just
[1:01:09] completed they donated $40,000 toward it
[1:01:12] so um it's been a great partnership and a funding um opportunity for the
[1:01:22] city the next two parks Bentley Ridge
[1:01:25] Park um this Parkland has actually not
[1:01:28] been um dedicated yet I'm going to zoom
[1:01:31] out here a little bit so this is Bentley
[1:01:33] Ridge so radiant Elementary School 170th
[1:01:37] Street so this is the land that the city
[1:01:40] would acquire and we're looking at this
[1:01:43] property for Parkland as well as I'm
[1:01:47] going to move ahead to the next one
[1:01:48] Highland Meadow so again this is radiant
[1:01:50] elementary school so some unique
[1:01:52] opportunities Bentley Ridge is here
[1:01:55] Highland Meadows here this is a 9 acre
[1:01:58] pretty beautiful um area for Parkland so
[1:02:01] we're proposing to do a master plan for
[1:02:04] both of these Parks so we know what what
[1:02:08] makes sense to be developed there um and
[1:02:12] the uh this park has some significant
[1:02:15] Parkland or Bentley Ridge has some
[1:02:17] pretty significant Parkland Dedication
[1:02:20] that help offset the project but again
[1:02:22] for both of these projects of just
[1:02:25] wanting to get usually the bigger
[1:02:27] projects will look to get a master plan
[1:02:29] if it's a five six um acre or less Park
[1:02:32] we we typically will do it inhouse and
[1:02:35] work with a a consultant but these two
[1:02:40] um certainly um seem appropriate to do a
[1:02:43] master plan and looking to obviously
[1:02:45] radiant elementary school has a
[1:02:47] playground so what can we do that's
[1:02:48] going to complement what they have and
[1:02:50] Not Duplicate so three parks that are
[1:02:53] with close proximity
[1:02:56] I think that's great uh
[1:03:02] planning the rec Hub so this is just
[1:03:05] south of the parking lot here where our
[1:03:07] current I guess it's almost a year and a
[1:03:10] half ago City Hall was was at capacity
[1:03:13] so our Parks and Recreation offices were
[1:03:16] uh moved uh to this site so it was
[1:03:20] repurposed I'm going to pull up the
[1:03:22] master plan here so our parks and
[1:03:25] recation offices this is the library
[1:03:27] this is the main parking lot so our main
[1:03:30] offices are right here now proposed is
[1:03:33] re um utilizing the current two garage
[1:03:37] Bays right now they're still with garage
[1:03:41] Bays so in 2018 we had a master plan
[1:03:44] done for parks recreation and open space
[1:03:46] and one of the things that was pretty
[1:03:48] clear is we have very insufficient
[1:03:51] indoor Recreation space we have our
[1:03:53] three Park shelters line shelter
[1:03:55] gianetti shelter in the senior center
[1:03:57] community center um with the uplex vote
[1:04:00] that didn't um get approved we still
[1:04:02] that hasn't changed and it's getting
[1:04:04] worse of we're having to rent spaces now
[1:04:07] to to accommodate uh the community
[1:04:10] obviously still wants to to have indoor
[1:04:13] programming outdoor programming as well
[1:04:15] so this is an opportunity to uh
[1:04:18] reutilize and repurpose the um two
[1:04:22] existing garage Bays this area here we'd
[1:04:26] call it the yard and essentially is
[1:04:28] outdoor space some um
[1:04:32] artificial turf that you can have
[1:04:35] outdoor picnic area shade structures do
[1:04:37] outdoor movies um outdoor yoga things
[1:04:40] like that so that is what's proposed in
[1:04:43] the first phase of this uh project um
[1:04:47] for next year would be uh it's planned
[1:04:51] for 26 and 27 so we'd work with a
[1:04:53] consultant and start the design planning
[1:04:56] to then move forward with that in 26 and
[1:04:59] 27 and future phases could be a splash
[1:05:04] bad additional parking um exterior
[1:05:07] restrooms but again that is uh oute for
[1:05:10] discussion uh we do get questions what's
[1:05:13] going to happen to the old house that's
[1:05:15] right next to the wreck office and that
[1:05:17] currently is a Wellness Center um for
[1:05:20] the city the house is built I think in
[1:05:22] 1954 so as part of this that would come
[1:05:25] down um and some of the parking there
[1:05:29] would be um be able to be used for this
[1:05:32] facility and that would come down in
[1:05:35] phase one that would come down in phase
[1:05:37] one so in 26 and
[1:05:42] 27 so this would be a truly a public
[1:05:45] amenity it wouldn't generate any any
[1:05:47] Revenue uh it would be a rental rental
[1:05:50] space so it would be a community
[1:05:53] room similar to our indoor lion shelter
[1:05:56] you can rent Senior Center you can rent
[1:05:58] we do programming there but you could
[1:06:00] also rent it so this um you could rent
[1:06:04] this facility you need to have this
[1:06:05] outdoor space uh as part of it so um one
[1:06:10] of the garage Bays right now is proposed
[1:06:13] like a be quite small a mini
[1:06:16] gym so different types of flooring so
[1:06:19] you can do different Fitness classes or Youth Sports and things like that so
[1:06:25] yes they would be rented
[1:06:30] facilities can you uh use your mic I'm
[1:06:34] sorry one of the things that we've
[1:06:36] talked about at parks and wreck is that
[1:06:38] the senior center is overflowing and
[1:06:42] that there's a continued need for more
[1:06:44] and more and more Fitness classes or
[1:06:47] programming so rather than having to
[1:06:50] rent extra space for those kinds of
[1:06:52] classes and so forth this would provide
[1:06:55] additional opportunity for us is that
[1:06:58] right yeah right now the senior center
[1:07:01] has over 38 classes a week of Fitness
[1:07:03] class that's the most popular classes
[1:07:05] that we have we're having to rent um out
[1:07:08] starting in January going to be renting
[1:07:09] out space just to accommodate that so
[1:07:11] that's just on the the senior population
[1:07:14] side and as um we continue with kids of
[1:07:17] all we say womb the tomb uh with
[1:07:21] Recreation yeah ideally obviously would
[1:07:24] have could have should have we would
[1:07:25] have love to have a new recreation
[1:07:27] facility but um out west but that's not
[1:07:30] something that happened so now we're
[1:07:31] looking to be creative with the
[1:07:33] facilities that we do have the
[1:07:35] infrastructure the footprint is solid we
[1:07:38] had that evaluated obviously before our
[1:07:40] wreck offices even move there so um this
[1:07:44] would be a helpful first step in being
[1:07:45] able to um and then hopefully someday
[1:07:49] maybe the police station when that's
[1:07:50] vacated we
[1:07:52] can planting a seed
[1:07:57] any other questions on the rec
[1:08:01] up uh jacqulyn Baldwin Dunlop Park and
[1:08:05] our berum we are currently uh under
[1:08:08] contract for the construction of a
[1:08:10] flushable restroom and that's the next
[1:08:13] phase so in 2025 and as you know um
[1:08:17] through this process hopefully you know
[1:08:19] something gets approved like in 2024
[1:08:22] that initiates the planning so the
[1:08:23] funding is in 25 so uh we are under
[1:08:27] contract the uh with a consultant who is
[1:08:31] planning the the design of the flush
[1:08:33] restroom here as well as the one next to
[1:08:35] the police station next to the soccer
[1:08:37] field so those two were approved in 24
[1:08:40] those are underd design right now the
[1:08:42] exact location is is still being um
[1:08:45] evaluated as well but we anticipate
[1:08:48] somewhere off of the the parking lot
[1:08:51] here for a flushable restroom what's
[1:08:54] nice for um the any projects capital
[1:08:57] projects that are done at uh the Dunlop
[1:09:00] Park and Arboretum there is a foundation
[1:09:02] that Paul and Jaclyn Baldwin um created
[1:09:06] before they passed away and so any
[1:09:09] capital projects that are funded it's
[1:09:11] funded 50% by the foundation so that is
[1:09:15] um part of what will be funded for this
[1:09:17] project as
[1:09:22] well Lions Park Improvement Prett
[1:09:25] exciting the last couple years in
[1:09:28] 2024 this past spring the splash P
[1:09:30] opened under construction right now
[1:09:33] nearly completed phase two uh the
[1:09:36] temperatures got too uh cool for doing
[1:09:39] the surfacing and coloring for the
[1:09:41] pickle ball court so this section right
[1:09:43] here focused on the um Southeast corner
[1:09:47] so was the demolition of the existing
[1:09:50] courts the construction of four pickle
[1:09:51] ball courts a tennis court three half
[1:09:53] basketball courts are in there
[1:09:55] accessible walkways outdoor games
[1:09:57] grading detention um detention work for
[1:10:01] both that phase as well as proposed for
[1:10:04] next year is this parking will be adding
[1:10:08] 41 parking spots along the so it's pull
[1:10:12] in head in parking along Prairie
[1:10:14] obviously that's one of the the the
[1:10:16] challenges we have at this park very
[1:10:18] popular Park parking is an issue um so
[1:10:22] being able to add that parking as well
[1:10:24] as there will be some um medians in
[1:10:28] between uh so we're going to be able to
[1:10:31] adjust the electrical for Fourth of July
[1:10:33] vendors so there'll be um little Islands
[1:10:36] in between these parking spots so that
[1:10:38] will be more of a permanent um for the
[1:10:41] utilities there and also proposed for
[1:10:45] this phase is improvements to the
[1:10:47] playground so adding uh additional
[1:10:49] expanding the playground adding
[1:10:51] additional playground equipment and some
[1:10:53] a part of it would be accessible rubber
[1:10:56] eyes surfacing obviously as we've talked
[1:10:58] before I would love to have that
[1:11:00] rubberize surfacing on every playground
[1:11:02] we have but it's usually seven to 10
[1:11:04] times more expensive than the um the
[1:11:07] wood fiber and wood chip so anytime we
[1:11:10] have that opportunity obviously that is
[1:11:12] a priority for us so we can be
[1:11:14] accessible to kids of all abilities and
[1:11:16] adults as well so that is what's planned
[1:11:19] and proposed for phase three and then
[1:11:23] future phases are outlined in the ca
[1:11:25] of whenever those come
[1:11:32] up this is a right next to the Delta
[1:11:35] Dental and it's more of a it would be
[1:11:37] initiated by the private um private
[1:11:39] businesses there the city would have
[1:11:41] very little commitment with that so just
[1:11:45] a quick overview um one of the we have
[1:11:48] playground Replacements and we have 40
[1:11:52] playgrounds in Urbandale 13 of these
[1:11:55] playgrounds are over 16 years old so
[1:11:57] starting two years ago we had only been
[1:12:00] doing one playground a year and that
[1:12:03] there was no way we'd catch up with that
[1:12:05] so now we're proposing three to four
[1:12:06] playgrounds a year so just the the
[1:12:09] colors here the playgrounds that were
[1:12:11] replaced in 2023 are the orange the new
[1:12:15] playgrounds the regional park um as well
[1:12:18] as Barrett bosen phase two was done this
[1:12:21] past year um playgrounds in 2024
[1:12:25] the replacement ones are in yellow and
[1:12:28] then the proposed ones are in red for
[1:12:33] 2025 and again those are all highlighted
[1:12:36] in the in the in your CIP
[1:12:41] document so this year because of weather
[1:12:44] and and we were supposed to finish three
[1:12:46] playgrounds in the spring but the
[1:12:49] installer um once summer hits they go to
[1:12:52] the um the schools so we ended up having
[1:12:55] five new playgrounds this year so it's
[1:12:57] pretty phenomenal the regional park one
[1:12:59] is is amazing so um we're just showing
[1:13:05] the and again this is just a a DOT on
[1:13:08] the map but essentially we have a
[1:13:10] project for shelters and flushable
[1:13:12] restroom so uh right now this one's
[1:13:15] showing the one I just mentioned is at
[1:13:17] the police station so that is a larger
[1:13:20] that's our most used and most rented
[1:13:22] shelter so it's flushable restroom and
[1:13:25] shelter planted here um and then in 2025
[1:13:30] would be the construction of
[1:13:37] that and this is the one where it's just
[1:13:40] the dot on the map but essentially
[1:13:41] utility installation a lot of these
[1:13:43] projects obviously require um utilities
[1:13:46] if you're doing a I've learned over the
[1:13:48] years you do a flushable restroom one of
[1:13:50] the reasons why it's so expensive is
[1:13:52] bring sanitary sewer and water to a park
[1:13:54] that doesn't have any an electrical so
[1:13:58] um it's outlined again in the CIP I I I
[1:14:02] could stand here and talk all night
[1:14:04] about all the projects but I think that
[1:14:05] you can read those over I wanted to just
[1:14:09] overview the next few projects are
[1:14:10] Walker Johnson projects and one of the
[1:14:14] things that we are proposing for our
[1:14:17] Parks operations budget so nothing to do
[1:14:20] at CIP but it impact CIP is proposing to
[1:14:23] do a master plan to re-envision Walker
[1:14:27] Johnson Park essentially the softball
[1:14:30] complex all of our area communities
[1:14:33] Norwalk Grimes um walki have new
[1:14:37] complexes our softball complex right now
[1:14:40] we I eight years now I think or six
[1:14:44] years that the city took over the
[1:14:46] operations we just rented out so there's
[1:14:49] not a huge Revenue stream there's some
[1:14:51] that there's not a huge Revenue Stream
[1:14:53] So as we look at some
[1:14:56] significant um Investments that are
[1:14:58] proposed in the CIP this one is not as
[1:15:01] huge but next to the pickle ball courts
[1:15:03] is just the repurpose and remodel to
[1:15:05] provide a restroom but as you and some
[1:15:09] for the skateboard park starting to get
[1:15:11] more expensive but you look at this
[1:15:13] softball complex um and some of it for
[1:15:16] the lighting needs to be replaced uh The
[1:15:20] Outfield fencing the surfacing some
[1:15:24] significant in Ms to the tune of almost
[1:15:26] $2 million we said okay should we be in
[1:15:29] the softball business let's do a master
[1:15:32] plan to revisit that and have
[1:15:34] significant Community input Community
[1:15:36] what do you want to see and they might
[1:15:38] say keep it softball but it might be a
[1:15:41] splash pad it might be outdoor
[1:15:43] recreation one of the things just to
[1:15:45] mention and again it doesn't impact the
[1:15:47] CIP projects but the master plan it does
[1:15:50] need to be an outdoor recreation
[1:15:52] amenities because of the the funding in
[1:15:55] the 1970s that was used to purchase this
[1:15:58] it's the land waterer conservation
[1:16:00] Bureau of outdoor recreation it was
[1:16:01] called at the time so it would need to
[1:16:04] be um outdoor but stay tuned um we have
[1:16:10] three of our five council members here
[1:16:12] so um and our finance director and
[1:16:14] assistant city manager so that is
[1:16:17] proposed in our Parks operating budget
[1:16:20] so I just preface that so we don't get
[1:16:23] too much into the details of what's
[1:16:25] planned here um so we did we push back
[1:16:28] all of our projects in Walker Johnson
[1:16:30] until 2026 at least so we have that
[1:16:33] Master Plan input before we make those
[1:16:35] Investments so with the softball fields
[1:16:37] it sounds like they're just costing more
[1:16:39] than we're kind of renting yeah we we
[1:16:42] net some I mean three years ago it was
[1:16:45] 56,000 last year was 32,000 this year
[1:16:49] was 22,000 so it's getting less and less
[1:16:53] uh and just
[1:16:55] because there's a lot nicer complexes
[1:16:58] out there that um one they have
[1:17:00] synthetic field so they can play uh
[1:17:03] pretty much any time and it's just
[1:17:05] becoming less and less popular so it we
[1:17:09] just thought you know what Now's the
[1:17:10] Time to do it obviously our main
[1:17:12] infrastructure that we've invested
[1:17:13] millions in would stay um we're not
[1:17:16] going to take out the pickle ball courts
[1:17:17] or the tennis courts or things like that
[1:17:19] but revisioning that that section by the
[1:17:22] softball is what we be looking at Jan
[1:17:26] um I you said this was coming soon to an
[1:17:30] operating budget but you know we've
[1:17:33] talked about the ReUse of the police
[1:17:35] department
[1:17:37] building would that be something to wrap
[1:17:42] into this or would that be too premature
[1:17:45] I don't know you don't need to answer
[1:17:47] that but like that's where I'm what I'm
[1:17:50] thinking I don't
[1:17:52] know so you're like like yeah I can
[1:17:56] answer for Jan it's
[1:17:58] yes yeah we're we actually are are
[1:18:01] hoping to to get things all ready for
[1:18:04] July 1 to start with the community input
[1:18:07] so if the budget gets approved in March
[1:18:09] we would move forward with the RFP get
[1:18:11] things ready so we're not doing that in
[1:18:14] July and August we're ready to to start
[1:18:17] so I I can't speak for well I just think
[1:18:21] it's something to consider uh um since
[1:18:26] it's coming the you know an empty big
[1:18:30] building in the vicinity so I don't know
[1:18:34] I would love nothing more that okay well
[1:18:38] it brings up a good point if we're
[1:18:39] talking about the park right next to
[1:18:41] where we've got a planned wreck Hub and
[1:18:43] an empty station you before too long can
[1:18:47] that all be wrapped into a master plan
[1:18:49] to get the best use of all of it the
[1:18:52] recre Hub has a master plan it we did a
[1:18:55] master plan for it um so and have
[1:19:00] obviously the preliminary drawings and
[1:19:02] so forth so timing of these obviously a
[1:19:06] lot of steps have to happen for the
[1:19:07] police station our crisis right now of
[1:19:09] indoor space for the wreck Hub
[1:19:13] um I'm hoping we'll be able to move
[1:19:15] forward but certainly all the timing and whatever comes out of a master plan
[1:19:21] then you start plugging things back into
[1:19:23] the CIP saying okay now when can you
[1:19:27] make those happen so um I think there
[1:19:30] would have to however the timing works I
[1:19:33] am open to whatever discussion so so
[1:19:36] hopefully for the overall master plan
[1:19:39] the wreck Hub is essentially an existing
[1:19:42] condition isn't that what we're looking
[1:19:44] at right I mean we if it gets approved
[1:19:46] we would start right design construction
[1:19:50] drawings and design of that okay yeah I
[1:19:52] just I asked CU you know I hear Splash
[1:19:55] Pad at Lion's Park Splash Pad at the
[1:19:56] wreck Hub potential Splash Pad at you
[1:19:58] know some of these things are all kind
[1:20:01] of similar in function in a way right
[1:20:04] and the splash pad at the wreck Hub
[1:20:07] is out year and some people have
[1:20:10] concerns about it at that location so
[1:20:13] certainly that master plan at Walker you
[1:20:15] would not put one in my opinion you
[1:20:17] would not put one at the rec Hub if you
[1:20:20] have one at Walker Johnson I mean and
[1:20:22] that's where we're in the CIP coming
[1:20:25] here to of the the upcoming projects of
[1:20:28] a splash bed out west so um I love this
[1:20:32] excitement about parks and wck
[1:20:35] yay um Waterford Park is a diff Golf and
[1:20:39] I think it's over here we're g to so the
[1:20:44] expansion there's Waterford Park so we
[1:20:47] have a current 15 or 13 whole disc golf
[1:20:49] course is proposed to to um enhance that
[1:20:54] to expand that to 18 holes so that would
[1:20:56] be in this uh coming fiscal
[1:21:02] year water Trails this is an uh I'm
[1:21:06] trying to think of what year we have
[1:21:08] this
[1:21:09] in this is an out oute I'll just mention
[1:21:13] I did submit a grant to Icon last week
[1:21:16] if we were to get that Grant then next
[1:21:18] year I would come to you and seeing if
[1:21:21] we can move that forward but that's
[1:21:23] planned in the regional part so these um
[1:21:25] projects now are for the regional call
[1:21:28] Park the Walnut Creek Regional Park for
[1:21:30] those of you that hopefully you're aware
[1:21:33] of it but it uh Meredith Drive on the
[1:21:36] North Douglas on the South 156th Street
[1:21:39] on the west 142 Street on the East so
[1:21:43] this 200 acre Park uh Walker Johnson is
[1:21:46] considered our active Park Walnut Creek
[1:21:48] Regional Park is considered our passive
[1:21:50] Park limited to what you can construct
[1:21:53] there because a lot of this land land
[1:21:54] was purchased with re funding so again
[1:21:57] the um more of an outdoor passive
[1:22:01] Recreation so this is the park access
[1:22:04] road we currently from Aurora Avenue
[1:22:06] down to the end of 147th Street have the Park Road or the Walnut Creek Park
[1:22:12] Road proposed here would be the
[1:22:15] continuation of this down to Douglas and
[1:22:19] one of the things that this is
[1:22:20] contingent upon here's the roundabout
[1:22:23] this section the Northwest section of
[1:22:26] the roundabout would need to be
[1:22:27] developed because the frontage road for
[1:22:30] this is the this park access road would
[1:22:33] need to connect to so it it seems to be
[1:22:38] a project that gets pushed back right
[1:22:39] now we have it in 2028 and we just see
[1:22:42] on the timing of of as this gets
[1:22:45] developed then kind of one of those one
[1:22:47] thing has to happen before the next
[1:22:49] that's what this is so
[1:22:56] this is the area at the corner of
[1:22:58] 152nd
[1:23:00] and uh Meredith Drive so the fire
[1:23:02] station here this is where the proposed
[1:23:04] uplex would have been so these are in an
[1:23:07] oute but we just have proposed possible
[1:23:10] facilities that could be there one of
[1:23:13] the um amenities we had talked about was
[1:23:15] a regional playground and we said you
[1:23:18] know what for that one amenity let's put
[1:23:21] it next to an already existing in
[1:23:24] parking lot shelter restroom so this
[1:23:27] current year we just finished the Walnut
[1:23:30] Creek Regional Park regional
[1:23:33] playground right next to and I didn't
[1:23:35] want to zoom ahead I just wanted to show
[1:23:37] you the the visual here so proposed
[1:23:40] ameni 152nd and Meredith oute unless
[1:23:45] they become a priority in funding more
[1:23:47] of a priority in fundings available what
[1:23:50] is proposed in 2020
[1:23:55] eight right now is a splash pad right
[1:23:59] next to the regional play playground
[1:24:01] this is the regional playground that
[1:24:03] just got completed they already have
[1:24:05] done the grading for a future Splash Pad
[1:24:07] when we found out the popularity of
[1:24:09] lions uh park splash pad and wanting to
[1:24:14] certainly provide Regional amenities for
[1:24:16] both um parts of the community uh we'd
[1:24:20] love to do a splash pad out at the
[1:24:22] regional park in right now it's in
[1:24:27] 28 that is the end of the parks projects
[1:24:31] any questions Jan would
[1:24:34] you uh for the a splash pad at that
[1:24:37] location would you need to do because
[1:24:39] the shelter with the restrooms is on the
[1:24:41] other side of the parking lot would you
[1:24:44] do would a restroom facility be
[1:24:47] incorporated on this end no okay
[1:24:51] no that would be another
[1:24:54] lot
[1:24:55] $400,000 if you would want to we're open
[1:24:58] to it but uh just looking at
[1:25:02] the the cost of those things
[1:25:06] yeah it is a regional park I've been
[1:25:09] wondering about the possibility of
[1:25:12] seeking Partnerships on the funding so
[1:25:14] that it's not entirely uh a burden of
[1:25:17] the city of
[1:25:18] Urbandale I'm not trying to put this on
[1:25:20] in your lap I'm just saying that that's
[1:25:22] something we need to kind of figure out how to think about U because
[1:25:26] I think there's probably potential
[1:25:28] Partnerships um it is a regional part
[1:25:32] for
[1:25:33] sure yeah we had looked at at some of
[1:25:37] those for other Regional amenities it's
[1:25:39] um yeah as you know I I'm all about
[1:25:43] rating grants
[1:25:45] to to subsidize yeah maybe we can we
[1:25:49] need to talk about that maybe there's
[1:25:50] ways to do this that aren't even right
[1:25:52] in Grants it's like uh getting them to
[1:25:55] step up and support a regional
[1:25:59] piece so anyway there might be ways to
[1:26:02] defr some of this
[1:26:05] Cost question for that one Trail link
[1:26:07] that you had um that was contingent on
[1:26:09] the sale of that property that was the
[1:26:11] critical connection yes um maybe this is
[1:26:14] a good question for some of you at the
[1:26:16] table here but is there anything that
[1:26:18] can be done with Planning and Zoning
[1:26:19] what what is that zoned there right now
[1:26:27] agricultural looking at you yeah I think
[1:26:29] it's R R1 where the houses and
[1:26:30] agricultural but like you said three4 of
[1:26:33] it flood plane yeah I just didn't know
[1:26:36] if there's anything zoning wise that
[1:26:37] could be done to entice someone to
[1:26:38] actually come in and put in a burn to
[1:26:40] develop it well the problem is a current
[1:26:43] owner probably on getting it
[1:26:48] resed so it would to exactly someone
[1:26:51] would have to buy it and then correct
[1:26:53] reone
[1:26:55] I just didn't know if we could anyone
[1:26:57] could work with a developer to entice
[1:27:00] them with that you know to to move that
[1:27:03] a every time we meet somebody on theer
[1:27:06] we discuss ability to so it all depends
[1:27:09] some people at aure they do not want
[1:27:13] people
[1:27:16] walk
[1:27:22] deps yeah that's just I know we we'd
[1:27:24] spoke in the past there's in my mind
[1:27:26] five critical Links of kind of
[1:27:27] connecting the trail system and that is
[1:27:29] one of them and I'll have some questions
[1:27:31] on the other one is a other ones that
[1:27:32] they come about
[1:27:36] today well I think uh I think you did a
[1:27:39] good job
[1:27:42] Jan uh so
[1:27:50] Bridges I may need them but I may not
[1:27:54] I'm
[1:27:58] older um so just to let you know I think
[1:28:01] I have all the rest of the pages here so
[1:28:04] um I'll kind of run through know that
[1:28:06] I'll hit on the stuff that's in the next
[1:28:08] five years and then I'll kind of pass
[1:28:10] over anything that's unprogrammed which
[1:28:11] means it's from six years to 10 years
[1:28:13] out but feel free interrupt me at any
[1:28:16] time if there is kind of like an oute or
[1:28:17] anything you would do want to talk
[1:28:19] about um let's see so Bridges our first
[1:28:22] one here 41 one it isn't an oute now
[1:28:25] I'll just highlight that it used to be
[1:28:27] in 2028 and this is the area where Jan
[1:28:31] was talking about the bridge and in the
[1:28:32] disc Gulf up in this area here um really
[1:28:35] the reason I moved it to an oute is just
[1:28:37] to free up funding this property up here
[1:28:40] will need to be purchased and a
[1:28:42] development plan brought forward so
[1:28:44] until really this property is ready to
[1:28:46] develop there's not a reason to have a
[1:28:48] bridge connecting the two properties so
[1:28:51] the property up here does have Financial
[1:28:53] responsib abilities for a portion of the
[1:28:55] bridge so again nothing we can really do
[1:28:58] until the development comes along once
[1:28:59] that does we can look at moving it back
[1:29:01] up in the CIP but as of right now I
[1:29:04] think it's been been in you know a year
[1:29:08] those first five years for at least 10
[1:29:09] years now so I fig it's time to just
[1:29:11] move it to an oute and see what
[1:29:15] happens and then our next one on page 42
[1:29:18] is also in and out year that's if we
[1:29:20] actually extend Waterford road further
[1:29:22] to the West we'll need a structure to
[1:29:23] cross across the
[1:29:25] creek and that is the only two items we
[1:29:28] have for
[1:29:34] Bridges move on to the
[1:29:38] sidewalks so on page 43 is our Ada
[1:29:42] pedestrian access transition plan
[1:29:44] basically we have to have this plan in
[1:29:45] order to receive federal funding through
[1:29:47] the through the dot um what we do is
[1:29:51] each year um we design basically The
[1:29:53] Pedestrian and ramps at the
[1:29:54] intersections and we reconstruct them to
[1:29:57] bring them into ADA compliance uh we do
[1:30:00] $100,000 a year and what we're coming up
[1:30:03] with for this next year that we'll beid
[1:30:05] in you know in January is roughly in are
[1:30:09] areas east of 86 Street again this is
[1:30:12] just an annual
[1:30:17] program next one is on page 44 this is a
[1:30:20] new new project that we added to the CIP
[1:30:23] this year it's basically to construct a
[1:30:26] 10- foot Trail on the north side of
[1:30:28] Hickman Road from the access point on
[1:30:30] the Frontage Road West of Patricia drive
[1:30:32] over to 86 Street and there's a lot of
[1:30:35] other sheets we'll be talking about but
[1:30:36] I just want to show how all this kind of
[1:30:38] connects together so we're talking about
[1:30:40] the trail here as we move a little
[1:30:43] further to the
[1:30:45] West um so this is our parks and Public
[1:30:48] Works facility it's got a 10-ft trail
[1:30:51] out in front of it we have under
[1:30:53] contract to connect that trail over to
[1:30:56] the axis onto the frontage road um
[1:30:58] they've started that this year
[1:30:59] unfortunately we ran into some delays
[1:31:01] with getting our shop drawings approved
[1:31:03] through the railroad we're hoping
[1:31:05] through the winter we will get that
[1:31:06] approved and then we can finish the
[1:31:09] construction in in the spring so this
[1:31:11] will be a connection from 86 Street
[1:31:13] will'll get us back to the parks and
[1:31:15] Public Works then another page that'll
[1:31:18] be coming up in a little bit is we're
[1:31:21] looking to reconstruct the frontage road
[1:31:23] and and once we do that we'll look to
[1:31:25] turn that into Cheryl's and that'll be
[1:31:27] the connection to get you over to 100
[1:31:29] Street our right away on the north is is
[1:31:32] just too narrow to fit anything in there
[1:31:35] and then of course with the ditches in
[1:31:36] here it'll be difficult so we'd have
[1:31:39] there's not a lot of traffic on there
[1:31:40] they can come up onto here we would um
[1:31:43] replace this sidewalk to connect you up
[1:31:45] to 100 Street that'll be said another
[1:31:48] page that'll talk about a trail
[1:31:51] connection from 100 Street back West to
[1:31:55] 111 street or the entrance into living
[1:31:57] history farms and then there's another
[1:32:00] page we'll talk about the Hickman
[1:32:01] interchange that'll get you back
[1:32:03] Connected over here by LifeTime Fitness
[1:32:05] to the trail that was just constructed
[1:32:07] there so again just kind of put a few
[1:32:09] things in context on how they all work
[1:32:11] together when to talk about them
[1:32:15] individually going back so again this is
[1:32:17] at at the East stand here from from just
[1:32:20] west of Patricia over to 86 Street
[1:32:23] thank you that overview is helpful yeah
[1:32:25] I was just about to say the same thing
[1:32:27] looked at each one of these individually
[1:32:29] they jump they jump around so then we
[1:32:31] jump that's what alphabetical order
[1:32:33] does on on for on page 45 then is one I
[1:32:37] just mentioned is the 100 Street over to
[1:32:40] the entrance to liveing history farms
[1:32:42] and we were fortunate enough to we
[1:32:43] received 400,000 in surface
[1:32:45] Transportation block grants um
[1:32:48] alternative funding for that so again
[1:32:51] we'll have funding it was originally
[1:32:54] funding for 2028 asked to move it up to
[1:32:57] 27 to coincide with when the trail would
[1:32:59] be with the Hickman interchange and the
[1:33:01] no said yes we can accommodate that so
[1:33:03] they let it occur in
[1:33:09] 27 our next one here on page 46 is a
[1:33:13] study trying to look for a way to find a
[1:33:16] connection around 86 Street or a little
[1:33:19] further west to connect North Park and
[1:33:21] Plum Drive to get you over the
[1:33:22] interstate um we've hired a consultant
[1:33:25] that's looking at options right now
[1:33:26] they're due to have um recommendations
[1:33:29] To Us by the end of the year then
[1:33:30] hopefully next year we can update the
[1:33:32] page on on the location but right now
[1:33:35] it's not the safest people do walk along
[1:33:37] 86 Street and we're just looking for a
[1:33:39] more accomodating way to connect the way
[1:33:42] I look at it connect the hotels and
[1:33:44] restaurants with the other hotels and
[1:33:45] restaurants on the North side along with
[1:33:48] the
[1:33:50] businesses so I did have a question on
[1:33:52] this one um
[1:33:54] right now the the trail Network that is
[1:33:57] linking all those neighborhoods to the
[1:33:59] South kind of from Cross Creek on up um
[1:34:02] it manages not to have to cross any
[1:34:05] streets until you hit
[1:34:07] Plum um so any of the people that are
[1:34:09] going to be using this um that are not
[1:34:11] just coming from hotels but all those
[1:34:13] residential neighborhoods to the South
[1:34:15] are having to cross a cross plone drive
[1:34:18] and that that's only going to get busier
[1:34:20] as that area develops is there a way
[1:34:23] similar to how it is in all of the major
[1:34:26] um arterial streets to the South to get
[1:34:28] under Plum Drive so that you're not
[1:34:30] having to cross eight bus he Street I I
[1:34:32] don't believe it's physically possible
[1:34:35] one thing are as part of this study is
[1:34:37] the consultant is also looking at where
[1:34:39] the trail should be on Plum Drive again
[1:34:42] I think it's going to be on one side of
[1:34:44] the road or the other they're also
[1:34:45] looking at where the uh decorative light
[1:34:48] poles and things would go so they're
[1:34:50] looking at that entire Corridor but I
[1:34:52] just don't think it's possible to get
[1:34:54] low enough to go go under Plum Drive
[1:34:57] yeah because at at Douglas at merid it
[1:34:59] all goes under manages to go under the
[1:35:01] roads kind of by those the water system
[1:35:05] the creek
[1:35:13] y um on page 47 this is a new project so
[1:35:19] what this would do is we have a trail in
[1:35:21] Meredith Park and it would replace the
[1:35:25] sidewalk and continue it over towards 86
[1:35:27] Street as we come up on 86 Street it
[1:35:30] would go back down to the existing
[1:35:31] sidewalk that's there today our limiting
[1:35:34] constraints there are um the parking lot
[1:35:37] and there's a gas regulation station
[1:35:39] right here and the easements we' need to
[1:35:41] obtain so again this this one would be a challenge and a very expensive
[1:35:46] project if we had to buy part of their
[1:35:48] parking lot and move that gas regulation
[1:35:50] station a little more background on this
[1:35:53] again future projects I'll talk about
[1:35:55] but so as I say it connect out of the
[1:35:58] Marth Park up into the
[1:36:00] neighborhoods um we've got a project
[1:36:02] that'll be bid shortly through the dot
[1:36:04] that'll take a 10- foot trail from 86
[1:36:07] Street on the north side of Meredith
[1:36:08] over to 104th Street and over by 104th
[1:36:13] Street zoom in so you can see it we
[1:36:15] recently constructed a trail along 104th
[1:36:18] that provides
[1:36:19] connections and then we're in the
[1:36:21] process we have under contract track to
[1:36:24] extend the trail from 104th over to
[1:36:26] Northwest Urbandale Drive in order to do
[1:36:29] that we had to underground the power
[1:36:31] poles unfortunately that's taken longer
[1:36:33] than we anticipated so we thought we'd
[1:36:36] have this Trail in this fall turns out
[1:36:38] it'll be this spring before they finish
[1:36:40] the undergrounding for
[1:36:42] us so again just to put things in
[1:36:45] context on uh where we are
[1:36:49] at yeah I will mention I think I did
[1:36:51] last year it would be a shame to have
[1:36:53] that 10 foot nice path all down along
[1:36:56] Meredith except for a 200 foot section
[1:36:59] um I I know you know down on Hickman we
[1:37:01] managed to figure something out with the
[1:37:03] railroad I don't know if there's how
[1:37:04] expensive this gas station area would be
[1:37:08] to get moved or all I'm sure it's
[1:37:10] complicated but yeah I think in order to
[1:37:12] get the 10 foot through there we would
[1:37:14] have to remove a large portion of that
[1:37:16] parking lot as well I think it'd be very
[1:37:19] we can always look into it but I think
[1:37:20] it be very expensive to buy a chunk of
[1:37:23] par parking lot from from the bank there
[1:37:26] I'm sure it would as well it just it
[1:37:27] would be a shame to have that whole I
[1:37:29] realize that but that's part of part of
[1:37:32] I guess the philosophy of the complete
[1:37:33] streets plan is it's not always I you
[1:37:36] know a perfect situation you just try to
[1:37:38] fit in and make as many improvements as
[1:37:40] you can and what you can make work it's
[1:37:43] not additionally just that one stretch
[1:37:46] of sidewalk gets within like two foot of
[1:37:48] the road there I know it's it's
[1:37:50] dangerous as it is so
[1:37:56] next one is also a new project this year
[1:37:59] on page 48 this would be a 5- foot
[1:38:03] sidewalk to connect um the hotel down to
[1:38:06] Sutton Place and then there's a sidewalk
[1:38:08] continues to the South I'd also add that
[1:38:11] in the last few years we worked with the
[1:38:12] city de Mo and dart and we now have a a
[1:38:16] bus stop in this area here so again
[1:38:19] we've got access to the bus stop from
[1:38:21] the south and from the West this would
[1:38:22] provide more access from the hotel down
[1:38:25] to to that Dart
[1:38:30] stop page 49 is also a new project so as
[1:38:35] I was mentioning we have a trail we're
[1:38:38] looking to construct on the north side
[1:38:39] of Meredith we have an existing on
[1:38:41] Meredith we have a trail on Northwest
[1:38:43] urbil Drive so this would provide a
[1:38:45] trail connection on the west side of
[1:38:47] Northwest over the drive that would get
[1:38:49] you up to the Plum Drive corridor
[1:38:56] page 50 this is our page that we call
[1:38:59] the sidewalks various locations
[1:39:01] basically um we walk a quarter of the
[1:39:04] city every year and we look for defects
[1:39:07] uh we notify the property owner to do
[1:39:09] those repairs and then if there happens
[1:39:11] to be any there are city responsibility
[1:39:13] this allows us to have funding to fix things that are city
[1:39:18] responsibility and you can see right now
[1:39:20] almost all all the money that's in in
[1:39:22] out years are B basically the property
[1:39:24] owners we do have a balance so we are
[1:39:26] all right at the moment sometime in the
[1:39:28] future we may need to start putting
[1:39:30] funds into that balance but right now we have enough money to keep doing our
[1:39:33] own
[1:39:37] repairs is there a certain part of the
[1:39:40] city based on
[1:39:43] your every foure walking that we'll be
[1:39:46] focusing on for this coming year you
[1:39:50] mind me
[1:39:56] when you when you've been doing this for
[1:39:57] 20 some years those those keep rotating
[1:39:59] start keep
[1:40:04] track okay and then on page 51 is a new
[1:40:09] project um this would provide a
[1:40:11] connection between call the the North
[1:40:14] Leg of aurora on the west side of 86
[1:40:16] Street and then what future project
[1:40:18] we'll talk about is our complete streets
[1:40:20] and bike Lanes we're talking about on
[1:40:21] Aurora Avenue um right right now there's
[1:40:24] not a good way since we added cheros on
[1:40:27] Aurora Avenue here to get down to Aurora
[1:40:30] um there's a 4ot sidewalk that doesn't
[1:40:32] drain real well through here so what
[1:40:33] we're proposing is to replace that with
[1:40:35] a 10- foot Trail and and make for a
[1:40:38] safer connection between the two Aurora
[1:40:45] Avenues P 52 is another new
[1:40:49] project um so recently on the north side
[1:40:52] of Doug we did the 15ot um complete
[1:40:55] streets uh Trail and sidewalk that get
[1:40:58] you to the creek get the cross over the
[1:41:00] creek and then this past year we added
[1:41:03] the 15 foot section over to um Justin
[1:41:06] Martin Drive or the entrance police
[1:41:07] station and HIV where we cross the
[1:41:09] street and then continued over to 86th
[1:41:12] Street unfortunately we had some utility
[1:41:15] issues that held us up so so far only
[1:41:18] the sidewalks been put in on the south
[1:41:20] side of Doug Douglas they'll connect
[1:41:21] over to North Karen Acres Park Park in
[1:41:24] the spring we'll add the 10-ft asphalt
[1:41:26] piece which will give us a good
[1:41:27] connection through there so looking at a
[1:41:30] future project that will connect up to
[1:41:33] this new new East West trail that will
[1:41:36] provide a 10- foot Trail to replace the
[1:41:38] sidewalk to go from Douglas past the
[1:41:41] city hall campus and then connect down
[1:41:43] to the Charles gapes Memorial Tree Park
[1:41:46] it's one of the kind of missing areas we
[1:41:47] have of sidewalk is on call it the
[1:41:50] entrance into the library we don't have
[1:41:52] a sidewalk on either side it was set up
[1:41:54] in the middle of the parking lot so this
[1:41:56] will add an easier way to get down to
[1:41:58] the park and into the trail so that's
[1:42:00] proposed in
[1:42:02] 2026 and then in 2029 would be replacing
[1:42:06] a piece of Trail through here that
[1:42:08] connects into to our other trail
[1:42:12] system what is the plan for 86 are you
[1:42:15] looking at doing a 10- foot Trail
[1:42:17] similar to the other arterial streets
[1:42:19] or um actually looking at the areas we
[1:42:22] can there's a lot of areas where it's
[1:42:24] going to be tough especially as we get
[1:42:27] north of Douglas um it'd be one of those
[1:42:31] things where you'd have to start looking
[1:42:33] at will it fit on the east side then you
[1:42:35] might go a couple blocks and you have to
[1:42:36] move it to the west side where it would
[1:42:38] fit and then maybe move it back to the
[1:42:40] east looking at a lot of these I think
[1:42:42] it's going to be difficult um it's been a while but I did the widening
[1:42:46] design for 86 Street here and just kind
[1:42:50] of the way the drainage if you look at a
[1:42:51] lot of things it drops off into the yard
[1:42:53] s to where we pretty much did all we
[1:42:55] could without having to either get
[1:42:57] easements take people's fences out and
[1:42:59] keep moving things closer so there's you
[1:43:02] again challenges there then on the flip
[1:43:04] side you've got you know by the golf
[1:43:06] course where it's down next to it and
[1:43:09] their parking lot where we already got a
[1:43:10] retaining wall next to it so it's
[1:43:13] something something we're looking at but
[1:43:14] haven't found a great solution for yet
[1:43:17] with that in mind um you just talked a
[1:43:19] second ago about the extension or
[1:43:21] replacement of a 4ot sidewalk
[1:43:23] are are a lot of those easements through
[1:43:26] these neighborhoods where they have the
[1:43:27] trail City owned where those 4 foot
[1:43:29] sidewalks exist it depends it could be
[1:43:32] in an easement or it could be in City
[1:43:34] own just different location what I was
[1:43:36] wondering is is there a way to go from
[1:43:39] Walker Johnston through some of those 4
[1:43:41] foot trails that kind of run from there
[1:43:43] up through C to kind of Cross Creek Park
[1:43:46] instead if you're not able to develop
[1:43:48] along the street of 886
[1:43:54] so it would be I know like I said we've
[1:43:56] worked with again we started doing some
[1:43:58] of the cheros up in here but it gets
[1:44:00] tough through the golf course here and
[1:44:03] there's some other ones where yeah it
[1:44:04] would be private property that is in
[1:44:07] kind of the in the complete streets plan
[1:44:08] just again we were trying to get some of
[1:44:11] the ones that we can do now versus and
[1:44:13] then there'll be time when we get to
[1:44:14] more of these challenging ones
[1:44:23] 53 is a new one it's hard to see here
[1:44:27] but uh there's a trail that goes through
[1:44:29] um Gul VI Park here comes out to a 4
[1:44:33] foot sidewalk along 100 Street so we'
[1:44:35] replace that with a trail across the
[1:44:37] street have our Trail come along here
[1:44:40] and tie into La Ward Park which brings
[1:44:42] you out to the trail along Northwest
[1:44:44] Urbandale drive so we have this short
[1:44:46] little stretch of sidewalk that we would
[1:44:47] lighten out to a
[1:44:50] trail would we be assessing anything the
[1:44:53] property owners there no um basically
[1:44:56] once the property owners responsible for
[1:44:58] the original sidewalk so if there hadn't
[1:45:00] been one then yes they would be
[1:45:02] responsible for half I just wanted to
[1:45:04] see if Curtis was paying
[1:45:06] attention he's pretty excited when he
[1:45:07] learned this one was in
[1:45:13] here
[1:45:14] 54 our last one within sidewalk so these
[1:45:17] are is a sidewalk along 114th Street so
[1:45:21] this year we constructed a sidewalk that
[1:45:23] continued from Meredith down to Aurora
[1:45:26] Avenue and I guess a little background
[1:45:28] what we're looking at is trying to add some amenity into the the Aurora
[1:45:32] Business Park to have people a place to
[1:45:34] walk with all the business we have back
[1:45:36] when these were all originally built
[1:45:38] sidewalks were just not something that
[1:45:39] anybody built in in a business area or
[1:45:42] an office area so again from Meredith
[1:45:44] down to Aurora the sidewalk has been
[1:45:46] built and so next year's plan is we'll
[1:45:49] continue from Aurora bring it all the
[1:45:51] way down to Douglas tie the trail system
[1:45:54] there and then 2026 we tie it in along
[1:45:57] Aurora into there's a a Trail Loop
[1:45:59] around the pond so we'd connect that
[1:46:01] area all
[1:46:04] together I guess that is the last page
[1:46:07] of
[1:46:11] sidewalks storm water is next one's
[1:46:15] storm water here that storm water stream
[1:46:19] restoration youve got uh the very first
[1:46:22] one on page AG 55 is in an oute it'd be
[1:46:26] some improvements along Airline
[1:46:29] Avenue our next one is is the cre and
[1:46:32] storm water
[1:46:34] improvements have some slide here I want
[1:46:36] to pull up
[1:46:40] quick that is
[1:46:51] not so again this is an annual allotment
[1:46:54] where we do different different Creek
[1:46:56] improvements where we lay back the banks
[1:46:58] and deal with erosion issues just I
[1:47:00] wanted to highlight a couple things that
[1:47:02] we are currently doing it's one that's
[1:47:04] under under contract now this is City
[1:47:07] Hall here so we're just north of Douglas
[1:47:10] in sunflower Park we've got a proposed
[1:47:12] project in there and we've got another
[1:47:14] one reference here's 142nd in Douglas
[1:47:17] the roundabout we're you did you come
[1:47:19] into the park on the north side of
[1:47:20] Douglas that's looking to start this
[1:47:22] December
[1:47:23] and the bids were roughly
[1:47:25] $390,000 for that one and then we have
[1:47:28] one under under design now that we're
[1:47:30] trying to keep make sure we get all our
[1:47:32] permits secured which should happen
[1:47:33] shortly that we can go out to bid
[1:47:34] probably January February hopefully here
[1:47:37] um one is in G viw Park so it's just
[1:47:40] east of 100 Street or just just in the
[1:47:43] general area where we were just talking
[1:47:44] about the trail
[1:47:45] connection and then there's another one
[1:47:48] here's the roundabout again but this
[1:47:50] time it's south of Douglas for work on
[1:47:52] the creek right now their estimate is
[1:47:54] roughly $900,000 for those those two
[1:47:58] projects so just give you a little more
[1:48:01] detail uh on those
[1:48:08] projects our next one is page
[1:48:13] 57 um this is a new project that would
[1:48:16] be some storms improvements on Dennis
[1:48:18] Drive but is currently in an oute
[1:48:24] page 58 is our annual intake uh
[1:48:27] rebuilding program this is one where we
[1:48:29] have used outside contractors help
[1:48:32] supplement our Public Works Crews um
[1:48:35] this is actually be the last year that
[1:48:36] we have this proposed to use the outside
[1:48:39] contractors in the last since 2014 we've
[1:48:42] repaired about 450 intakes uh we think
[1:48:45] from now we can handle it with our crew
[1:48:47] we're going to suspend this this program
[1:48:49] with the additional funding but we're
[1:48:50] going to keep monitoring things and we
[1:48:52] think we need to start hire some
[1:48:54] contractors to help again we'll
[1:48:56] reintroduce dollars into this this
[1:48:58] program but again right now we repared a
[1:49:01] lot of the older block style ones that
[1:49:03] have fallen apart we've got way more now
[1:49:05] that are the port concrete which last a
[1:49:07] lot
[1:49:13] longer page
[1:49:15] 59 is a new page but it's the Madison
[1:49:18] Avenue storm sewer improvements so just
[1:49:20] a little background since this one is is
[1:49:23] in the next fiveyear plan um we did a
[1:49:25] study to look at our storm sewer system
[1:49:28] east of 86 Street and that's where're
[1:49:31] not really a surprise but we learned
[1:49:33] that a lot of our storm sewer is
[1:49:34] undersized we also know a lot of the
[1:49:37] community doesn't have any storm sewer
[1:49:39] in in their neighborhoods so we're
[1:49:40] looking at ways that we can add storm
[1:49:42] sewer or upside storm sewer as we go so
[1:49:45] for instance on this one with our
[1:49:47] Douglas urbanization we upsized the pipe
[1:49:50] here to kind of get things started and
[1:49:53] with this project we can add storm on
[1:49:55] 81st in Madison 82nd and 83rd so
[1:49:59] basically to do these projects we have
[1:50:01] to remove the pavement um add the larger
[1:50:04] storm sewer and we redo the pavement and
[1:50:06] at these times we're also adding uh
[1:50:08] Services out to the property owner so
[1:50:10] they can hook their sum pump up to it as
[1:50:13] well um a lot of these you know we
[1:50:15] decide we got to determine how many
[1:50:17] years they're usually mult multiple
[1:50:18] years for instance this one right now
[1:50:20] we're assuming we get done in two we'll
[1:50:21] have to design to confirm that but the
[1:50:23] reason these take so long is you have to
[1:50:26] do them in short segments because while
[1:50:28] the Street's gone people have to walk to
[1:50:30] their house so we try to keep it as
[1:50:32] short a distance as possible but still
[1:50:33] be able to get get work done during the construction season so again
[1:50:38] kind of that four or 500 feet is what we
[1:50:40] try to limit to how far people have to
[1:50:45] walk on page
[1:50:48] 60 is our Oliver Smith storm sewer
[1:50:51] project so as a point of reference
[1:50:53] here's Ken Acres Elementary um this will
[1:50:56] be kind of a second phase of a project
[1:50:58] that I'll talk about in a minute that's
[1:51:00] why this is not looking to start till
[1:51:02] 29 but we will basically be able to add
[1:51:05] the storm sewer and make improvements on
[1:51:08] 74 street over to 72nd Oliver Smith
[1:51:11] again kind of northeast of Karen Acres
[1:51:16] Elementary and here's the main one that
[1:51:19] we're looking at right now is Page 61
[1:51:21] which is our Land Drive storm SE
[1:51:23] Improvement so again here is Karen Acres
[1:51:27] so this project will start down down at
[1:51:29] the creek work all the way up to Rosland
[1:51:32] the 72nd Beyond Palm again this is
[1:51:35] another one that'll have a lot of
[1:51:36] payment removal new storm sewer payment
[1:51:39] replacement there's a little bit unlik
[1:51:41] Ashworth Drive that would we don't need
[1:51:43] to remove all the street to put in the
[1:51:45] storm sewer so we'll do some patching so
[1:51:47] again we're looking to improve the
[1:51:49] entire neighborhood while we are there
[1:51:52] um this one we're looking at bidding
[1:51:54] that out kind of the January February
[1:51:56] time
[1:51:57] frame John with it being so close to the
[1:52:00] school do you have to schedule around we
[1:52:03] do y we've been in communication with
[1:52:05] the school I think it's roughly two
[1:52:07] weeks ago we also had a neighborhood
[1:52:08] informational meeting where we kind of
[1:52:10] explained everything it's kind of
[1:52:12] surprising nobody wanted to talk as much
[1:52:13] about the street coming out as they did
[1:52:15] our our foundation drain disconnect
[1:52:17] program that was that was interesting to
[1:52:18] them was that well received actually
[1:52:22] there actually I think it was and there
[1:52:24] was just a lot of curiosity with it you
[1:52:26] know wondering how it would work and you
[1:52:28] know tell them we still had some more
[1:52:29] things to work through but again i'
[1:52:31] would have been there to talk about the
[1:52:32] fact I'm gonna have to walk home they
[1:52:34] just seem to focus focus on wanting to
[1:52:35] learn more about that
[1:52:39] so so yeah and so yeah we have talked to
[1:52:41] school it got a little tougher now this
[1:52:44] became the year round school so we have
[1:52:46] different windows and when we have to do
[1:52:48] breaks but again the good news is when
[1:52:50] we're down here there's still other ways
[1:52:52] to get in from the north be bar
[1:52:55] consultant has been in contact with the
[1:52:57] school and been discussing it with
[1:53:00] them who's the consultant in this one
[1:53:02] this one's aeom
[1:53:07] okay our next one is page
[1:53:10] 62 um we call this the storm store
[1:53:13] extension from the Merl ha reinvestment
[1:53:15] District we called it was called the
[1:53:17] Merl hay reinvestment District because
[1:53:19] we applied for a grant and didn't get
[1:53:20] the grant but we kept the name
[1:53:23] so a little bit about this one um back
[1:53:26] in our our June of 2018 storms 66 in
[1:53:30] aine was probably our one location where
[1:53:32] the intersection probably got the
[1:53:33] deepest the most flooding so we're
[1:53:35] looking to try to alleviate that um what
[1:53:38] we've got going since this is kind of
[1:53:40] that second phase this year we started
[1:53:44] down down here at 64th in Douglas where
[1:53:46] used to be a Mexican restaurant City
[1:53:48] purchased that to install the storm
[1:53:49] sewer we cross Douglas went up parking
[1:53:52] lot on the west side of IHOP followed
[1:53:55] the Ring Road around the mall up to
[1:53:57] Airline we were always figuring this
[1:53:59] would be a full two-year project
[1:54:02] everything went went well with our
[1:54:03] contractor all the storms pipe is in
[1:54:06] Airline all we have left to do in the
[1:54:08] spring is is paved the the malls Ring
[1:54:11] Road back in it's just temporary surface
[1:54:13] now but again they they did a lot of
[1:54:16] work in a short time frame to get
[1:54:17] through there so to talk about this next
[1:54:20] phase so there is the storm sewer that
[1:54:23] comes up here and it's already stubbed
[1:54:26] into Airline off the mall's property so
[1:54:28] this would bring the storm sewer and
[1:54:30] bring it down Airline over to 66 where
[1:54:33] again we'll be adding a lot of intakes
[1:54:35] and things to help reduce that Flooding
[1:54:37] at the intersection we're also adding um
[1:54:41] new storm sewer over here in Madison and
[1:54:43] it does two different things for us you
[1:54:45] know all a lot of the drainage that's
[1:54:47] coming north Airline now coming in this
[1:54:49] new storm sewer and go around whereas it
[1:54:52] doesn't overload the system that's down
[1:54:54] here now so we've taken some of the
[1:54:56] pressure off of our existing system that
[1:54:58] could not handle
[1:55:00] it so this one here is planned for
[1:55:04] 2026 and this one is currently under
[1:55:11] design our next one is page 63 so this
[1:55:15] is at 65th at Meredith another storm
[1:55:17] sewer Improvement project what this one
[1:55:19] will do is we'll start at the creek
[1:55:21] north of Meredith um put in a larger
[1:55:24] storm sewer along Meredith here between
[1:55:27] 67th and 65th then 65th currently has no
[1:55:31] storm sewer so this will be adding storm
[1:55:34] sewer to this entire stretch of the road
[1:55:36] here it does not currently have it and
[1:55:37] of course will hook up or give the sump
[1:55:40] pump connections as
[1:55:44] well believe it or not that is the end
[1:55:46] of
[1:55:47] storm I'd like to make a general comment
[1:55:50] here sure
[1:55:53] I've been an advocate for storms worker
[1:55:57] for quite a while
[1:56:01] and going back to our
[1:56:04] original repeating myself from last year
[1:56:07] and the year before andway going back to
[1:56:10] our Consultants study a couple years ago
[1:56:13] they outlined in yesterday's dollars
[1:56:16] $100 million worth of storm store work
[1:56:18] for
[1:56:19] Urbandale and I suggested that time
[1:56:22] maybe think about 80 80 mil and of
[1:56:25] course those numbers now are obsolete
[1:56:28] you what was 80 million then three or
[1:56:32] four years ago is probably 100 120
[1:56:35] million
[1:56:37] now and I advocated for more money for
[1:56:42] storm sters it felt like 100 Mill if
[1:56:45] it's 100 million doll project and you're
[1:56:48] divided divided into 10 years so maybe
[1:56:50] we'd arrive well it be 10 million in the
[1:56:52] year that's just repeating what I said
[1:56:57] before now I see by going back to the
[1:57:00] finance
[1:57:01] pages that we left
[1:57:05] our monies for storm
[1:57:08] seers what they were we go back to page
[1:57:13] a.2 I I bragged out last year's CIP to
[1:57:18] Compare the numbers yeah
[1:57:20] while jump numbers up more money going
[1:57:24] to it now but now I don't see or I guess
[1:57:27] my question is we have put three new
[1:57:31] storm SE projects on the
[1:57:34] books but as far as I can see most of
[1:57:37] that is
[1:57:39] outway
[1:57:45] and don't see these numbers are jumping
[1:57:48] up I suspect subject to correction that
[1:57:52] reflecting increased construction costs
[1:57:55] for the same
[1:57:57] project and I still think we need to
[1:57:59] devote more more work more dollars to
[1:58:03] more storm seers we're ever going to
[1:58:05] arrive on this thing again repeating
[1:58:07] what I talked about
[1:58:09] before
[1:58:11] now as our chief Engineers pointed out
[1:58:14] here you got to move this stuff in small
[1:58:17] increments it's
[1:58:18] disruptive I can't imagine anything
[1:58:21] tougher to sell
[1:58:22] a concrete pipe that is buried in the
[1:58:25] ground and is only used once in a
[1:58:28] while unfortunately love clip side of
[1:58:31] that thing is yeah used once in a while
[1:58:34] but then had once in it's all designed
[1:58:36] as far as I know for 100e flood subject
[1:58:39] corrected on that but we have lots of of
[1:58:43] times when there more than a 100 year
[1:58:46] flood and so then
[1:58:49] the the question comes up well we spent
[1:58:52] all this money and we're still flooding
[1:58:54] so it's it's a tough sell all the way
[1:58:55] around difficult costly deal but again I
[1:58:59] guess I'll just if we can I still think
[1:59:03] we need to accelerate this program over
[1:59:06] what we're currently planning on but
[1:59:08] where that money is going to come from
[1:59:10] is a very good question because this
[1:59:11] stuff is
[1:59:13] slow and you can't do too much anyone
[1:59:17] ear like John says can't walk to your
[1:59:19] house it's a mud hole for five blocks
[1:59:22] around so it's a very difficult deal but
[1:59:26] I guess I'll
[1:59:28] just leave it to well I appreciate your
[1:59:31] comments and I know we all take them
[1:59:34] very seriously especially at the council
[1:59:36] if you have um
[1:59:38] specific uh amendments or uh items you
[1:59:42] want to move around we're going to talk
[1:59:44] about that once we get through all of uh
[1:59:48] the sections which we are almost we're
[1:59:49] getting very close to being can tell you
[1:59:52] on these yeah we have a staff looked at
[1:59:54] how much more can we get how much can we
[1:59:56] move stuff up the other thing is is kind
[1:59:58] of how we sell it is we also pick places
[2:00:00] where the roads are in really bad shape
[2:00:02] so that's the other selling point as you
[2:00:04] get a new road out of it even though you
[2:00:05] had to walk for a little while yeah
[2:00:08] that's that's all all part of it I guess
[2:00:11] what I would I'm just speaking generally
[2:00:13] here and I don't know if I'm going to
[2:00:14] make any the Motions here but I think if
[2:00:20] we want to accelerate this
[2:00:23] deal that's what we really want to do is
[2:00:25] going to have to come out of some some
[2:00:26] other program's hide here okay very
[2:00:30] simple
[2:00:32] and just
[2:00:34] question whose Ox do we want to go if
[2:00:37] for really really want to do something
[2:00:39] about this we pick it up from what it is
[2:00:41] but the way that I don't want to be too
[2:00:43] critical here but the present Pace will
[2:00:47] be we'll be 50 years getting this done
[2:00:49] and I just think need to speed it up
[2:00:53] again I think I'm going
[2:00:55] to a little bit refer to the rest of the
[2:01:00] committee my position is well known on
[2:01:04] this if I were to do
[2:01:07] it I would be taking monies probably out
[2:01:11] of the the
[2:01:14] streets and I'd probably taking money
[2:01:16] out of
[2:01:19] sidewalks he done
[2:01:23] but again I'm I'm going to defer a
[2:01:24] little bit to the the rest of the
[2:01:27] committee if here well let's uh let's
[2:01:30] defer the conversation um till we get
[2:01:33] through uh the rest of the sections and
[2:01:35] then uh I welcome uh discussion on this
[2:01:39] yeah I just wanted to insert that there
[2:01:41] I did have a question um for two of the
[2:01:44] projects uh 61 and 62 Rosland and the
[2:01:47] storm sewer extension to Merl the costs
[2:01:51] for those two projects jumped
[2:01:53] significantly from last year's budget to
[2:01:55] this year's it's like John has said
[2:01:58] these prices have been been going up and
[2:02:00] as we get into from a planning level
[2:02:03] cost opinion to an actual design
[2:02:06] one they have they have gone
[2:02:11] up prices only go one way and that's
[2:02:15] up those two in particular almost didn't
[2:02:18] quite double but got pretty close to
[2:02:19] doubling so
[2:02:22] Y and these are like I said these are
[2:02:24] challenging projects and and they have
[2:02:26] gone up you know we can still have a
[2:02:27] chance to get some good bids like we did
[2:02:29] on the aora Avenue project west of 86
[2:02:32] but as I said before we need to budget
[2:02:34] enough that if bids do come in high we
[2:02:37] can still still do
[2:02:46] projects right on to streets um so this
[2:02:51] is our annual Street re rehabilitation
[2:02:53] program or we call it our patching
[2:02:55] program that we do every year um this
[2:02:58] next year we're up in this area here so
[2:03:02] we're north of Meredith south south of
[2:03:04] Sutton Drive and kind of between 67th
[2:03:07] and Merl hay so we'll be up in that area
[2:03:09] of patching and then we'll also have one
[2:03:12] as we come down to 128th in Douglas the
[2:03:16] Timberline area we up in here between
[2:03:18] Douglas and Tanglewood and then 128 over
[2:03:21] to 127 so basically this Timberline area
[2:03:24] just for a little additional information
[2:03:26] but we typically do this um 2 and a half
[2:03:29] million a year in in roadway
[2:03:37] patches get on to I guess page 66 that's
[2:03:40] our roora Avenue uh from U our on street
[2:03:44] bike Lanes from 7th 86th Street so this
[2:03:48] is one where we're looking to go from a
[2:03:50] four-lane section to a three Lane Lane
[2:03:52] section on Aurora between 86th Street
[2:03:54] and 70th and then add at bike Lanes on
[2:03:57] the outside um we've had two public
[2:04:00] information meetings um they were
[2:04:03] attended by the council and the mayor
[2:04:06] some of them were able to attend even
[2:04:08] both meetings so we've kind of gone
[2:04:10] through got a lot of public comments on the project uh we then have followed
[2:04:15] up with the council and got the
[2:04:16] direction to at this point to continue
[2:04:18] moving forward with our design so we've
[2:04:21] been meeting with our consultant will
[2:04:22] get going more on on this design just
[2:04:25] want to note though for the public and
[2:04:27] we said this at both of the public
[2:04:29] meetings that they have the ability to
[2:04:31] comment on this project when we have our
[2:04:33] CIP public hearing with this committee
[2:04:36] and then there'll be the other meeting
[2:04:37] where the council takes up the CIP at
[2:04:39] their public hearing and then if we are
[2:04:42] still moving forward we'll bid the
[2:04:44] project and then there'll be another
[2:04:45] public hearing on it that the public has
[2:04:47] a chance chance to comment so again
[2:04:49] we've done a couple information meetings
[2:04:51] just wants you know that there's still
[2:04:53] plenty of time for the public to comment
[2:04:55] on the
[2:04:59] project what's been the reaction yeah um
[2:05:03] there's been there's been some positive
[2:05:05] comments and there's definitely been
[2:05:06] some some negative comments
[2:05:09] U so again there's there's some that
[2:05:13] would prefer we we did nothing um
[2:05:16] there's some from the biking community
[2:05:18] that that like the I idea of this they
[2:05:20] feel more comfortable having having the
[2:05:22] actual Lanes out there and I think
[2:05:24] probably the biggest thing we'll see
[2:05:25] from this in my opinion is just the
[2:05:27] safety Improvement of going from four
[2:05:29] lanes to three lanes I think that's
[2:05:31] going to help things it should slow down
[2:05:33] traffic a little bit get them closer to
[2:05:35] that 25 that's out there plus when you
[2:05:37] narrow it up and have those bike Lanes
[2:05:39] it's a shorter distance when you do have
[2:05:40] to cross Aurora Avenue especially the
[2:05:42] fact that we do have the schools
[2:05:45] there yeah on this project um is there
[2:05:48] any way to know how the majority of the
[2:05:51] public kind of feels about it because
[2:05:52] you get the people coming to these
[2:05:53] meetings voicing an opinion one way or
[2:05:55] the other and those are a small segment
[2:05:58] but have have we really taken a look to
[2:06:00] see if you know the general population
[2:06:02] is in support of this we haven't done a
[2:06:05] Citywide poll or anything like that
[2:06:08] other than again we did have a lot of
[2:06:11] public involvement when we did the
[2:06:12] complete streets master plan which was part you know this was part of
[2:06:18] it I think that in my time on the
[2:06:21] Council this is the project that we've
[2:06:24] probably invested the most in terms of
[2:06:27] getting uh soliciting public comment um
[2:06:31] because
[2:06:33] um I think you know the complete streets
[2:06:36] uh master plan existed prior to any of
[2:06:41] the five of us serving on the council
[2:06:43] although Pat did serve as the citizen as
[2:06:46] a citizen on the committee and so we've
[2:06:48] had a lot to learn um about that plan
[2:06:52] and then you know I think we've pushed
[2:06:56] this back I mean pushed this back
[2:06:58] already a year or two in order to get
[2:07:02] more public comment and we had two very
[2:07:06] well attended public meetings that we
[2:07:08] did a I think an extensive public
[2:07:11] Outreach
[2:07:13] um was it a perfect Outreach um no but
[2:07:18] in short of going door too I don't know
[2:07:21] that we could
[2:07:23] do um better than what we've done I
[2:07:26] don't know that's my opinion um it's a sensitive subject I mean this is
[2:07:30] obviously sensitive sensitive people
[2:07:33] have viewpoints so my my personal
[2:07:36] opinion is that this is a street safety
[2:07:39] Improvement project and bike lanes are
[2:07:43] sidebar a sidebar part of it and we
[2:07:47] probably went out selling it as a by
[2:07:51] plane project and that got people riled
[2:07:55] up to so to speak and um but I think we have a
[2:08:00] safety um issues that we need to look at
[2:08:03] on Aurora and going to a three lane
[2:08:05] roadway is going to
[2:08:07] address those safety issues so I don't I
[2:08:12] don't know I mean I wish uh we maybe
[2:08:15] rolled this whole thing out differently
[2:08:17] five years ago I don't know um I do but
[2:08:20] you know when when the public you know when we
[2:08:23] were doing this stuff I mean I wasn't
[2:08:25] even on the council but when the
[2:08:26] complete streets plan I mean if you
[2:08:28] lived in these neighborhoods you'd have
[2:08:30] no idea really that this was going to be
[2:08:32] relevant to you to go to the meeting to
[2:08:35] give your input so I think we've
[2:08:39] retroactively um made an effort to go
[2:08:42] into these neighborhoods and going
[2:08:44] forward when we do different projects
[2:08:47] related to complete streets we're going
[2:08:48] to do a much more intensive
[2:08:51] job of communicating what we're doing I
[2:08:54] don't know if that answered your
[2:08:55] question but this is something that
[2:08:58] I've invested a lot of mental energy on
[2:09:02] how to do this right and I mean I think
[2:09:05] we've done the best that we can do and
[2:09:08] we'll see how this moves forward um you
[2:09:12] know just this weekend there was a lot
[2:09:14] of people talking on Facebook about it
[2:09:17] so um we'll see we'll see what happens
[2:09:21] we get a few people at the next meeting
[2:09:23] then on this yeah we could yeah and that
[2:09:26] would be fine it would be great to get
[2:09:29] uh additional comments but um I do think
[2:09:31] there's been a little bit confusion
[2:09:33] about this project on the part of the
[2:09:35] public and with all du respect I just
[2:09:36] don't think this name is really the
[2:09:38] right name for this project this is a
[2:09:40] complete streets or road diet um it is
[2:09:43] really a safety driven and that's one of
[2:09:46] the aspects of complete streets uh is to
[2:09:48] improve safety for pedestrians as well
[2:09:51] for cyclists and I think there was a lot
[2:09:54] of confusion about who these bike lanes
[2:09:56] were for I think people had the
[2:09:58] impression that we were uh proposing
[2:10:01] these bike Lanes to be used by children
[2:10:04] and that there might be some limitation
[2:10:05] placed on the sidewalks for their use by
[2:10:08] children with bikes and none of that is
[2:10:11] the fact and so I'm hoping that if we do
[2:10:14] get an opportunity we can clarify some
[2:10:17] of that a little better and perhaps
[2:10:19] reflect some of the safety data that's
[2:10:20] out there these are not big experiments
[2:10:23] these have been done all over the
[2:10:24] country they've been highly successful
[2:10:26] uh and their safety record is pretty
[2:10:28] solid but we have not really presented
[2:10:30] data yet on that and that might be a
[2:10:33] helpful thing for us to do too so I
[2:10:34] believe that staff is trying to put
[2:10:36] together a hand out that will help
[2:10:38] clarify some of those things that I
[2:10:40] think got a little bit confused in the
[2:10:42] public uh meeting which can happen you
[2:10:44] know people have different perceptions
[2:10:46] about uh what these are and what they
[2:10:49] mean so I'm hopeful that the the summary
[2:10:52] bullets around the safety piece and the
[2:10:54] data that is out there can be compiled
[2:10:57] in a way that'll be meaningful to people
[2:10:59] and I think the other thing that just I
[2:11:02] think it's on the same page with what
[2:11:04] everything you've just said is the
[2:11:05] importance of community input regardless
[2:11:08] yes and that if there is a widespread
[2:11:11] Community dis agreement with a project
[2:11:14] going
[2:11:15] forward allowing the citizens to
[2:11:18] vocalize that to listen to what they say
[2:11:21] and not just do it from a hey we check
[2:11:24] that box um if we're going to ask for
[2:11:26] Community input it's something that we
[2:11:27] need to make sure that we're taking into
[2:11:29] account um as uh you know people on this
[2:11:33] committee city council whoever you are
[2:11:35] in government you know we're we we've
[2:11:37] got to be able to do that and it can't
[2:11:40] be presented in a way that's like hey we
[2:11:43] know better than you do even though
[2:11:44] you're really mad right now that's going
[2:11:46] to help you cool down yeah um that's not
[2:11:49] going to work and so I just think
[2:11:51] this my first year on this committee
[2:11:54] four years ago um and then the second
[2:11:56] three years ago this mentioned this to
[2:11:59] some people and fireworks like people I
[2:12:02] had no idea would be so passionate about
[2:12:05] a street and a bike lane and you're
[2:12:06] right it was presented as bike Lanes
[2:12:08] that's what this was sold at including
[2:12:11] another section of of cheros um on 70th
[2:12:15] and so I just think it's my big thing is
[2:12:19] safety my big thing is bike right away
[2:12:21] Auto right of way making sure everybody
[2:12:22] knows what they're supposed to do when
[2:12:24] they're supposed to do it because
[2:12:25] generally people don't and or they think
[2:12:28] they do or they ignore it and so we just
[2:12:31] have to be mindful of all those things
[2:12:33] and if if we're asking for input we have
[2:12:34] to make sure that we actually really are
[2:12:36] taking it to heart we've taken these
[2:12:38] extra steps as we've said for two years
[2:12:41] to do that that shouldn't be in vain
[2:12:44] either yeah and to build off a point you
[2:12:47] were making um we've discussed at the
[2:12:49] council level already the the importance
[2:12:51] of public education around this because
[2:12:54] some of the discomfort is people who
[2:12:56] have driven this road for a long time
[2:12:58] they don't see cyclists on there because
[2:13:00] there are not those bike lanes and so
[2:13:03] they're uncomfortable and concerned
[2:13:06] about their ability to drive through
[2:13:08] that area if cyclists are present that's
[2:13:11] a public education piece uh that can be
[2:13:15] um we can be helpful there by pulling
[2:13:17] together materials that help people
[2:13:19] understand how to make their returns and
[2:13:21] how to do that driving with that so
[2:13:24] there's aspects to this that we that go
[2:13:26] beyond the actual engineering piece of
[2:13:29] this that we need to get our arms
[2:13:30] wrapped around Robin I think your point
[2:13:33] about just being intentional about our getting public input and and taking
[2:13:39] it to heart and not just checking the
[2:13:42] box I mean that is is a real priority of
[2:13:45] the council as we've laid out in our
[2:13:47] strategic plan um that we finished this
[2:13:51] year um you know just
[2:13:54] communication uh in every possible way
[2:13:57] with the community within the council
[2:13:59] within the city uh staff and just doing
[2:14:03] a better job and you know this is a
[2:14:05] prime example of where we can you know
[2:14:08] could have done a better job to start
[2:14:10] with but we are getting better as we
[2:14:14] move forward with this and um you know
[2:14:17] the next complete streets project that
[2:14:20] comes to us will have learned some
[2:14:23] valuable lessons um to um gain public
[2:14:28] input and I I appreciate all those
[2:14:30] comments and what we could have done
[2:14:31] differently in hindsight so this will
[2:14:33] hopefully be the only one that is
[2:14:35] experiencing this right so for me I
[2:14:38] guess I'm just a little torn of you know
[2:14:40] pushing for the approval of something if
[2:14:42] not knowing is it overwhelmingly you
[2:14:44] know in support of or not in support of
[2:14:47] by everyone that's going to be using it
[2:14:49] I I think it makes sense is this
[2:14:51] happening before the 70th Street project
[2:14:54] they're together they're together okay
[2:14:58] because again this one here is a little
[2:14:59] more involved in there's we'll Mill off
[2:15:01] the asphalt surface and then put down a
[2:15:03] new asphalt surface so the Paya markings
[2:15:05] are clean not all scarred up the
[2:15:07] pavement versus on 70th is being done
[2:15:10] this concrete road will be done with
[2:15:11] just pavement markings yeah because I
[2:15:13] know that's all kind of linking back to
[2:15:15] where we're doing all the work from
[2:15:16] Urbandale drive on around there so and
[2:15:18] linking that that system correct correct
[2:15:21] yep we recently we'll get to the 70th am
[2:15:23] minute but had down here on Urbandale
[2:15:24] Avenue so we got the trail Connection in
[2:15:28] here and just real quickly uh toward the
[2:15:32] U point of trying to make sure that
[2:15:34] we're not just taking this public input
[2:15:36] to check a box um engineering went back
[2:15:39] and did some additional look at the 72nd
[2:15:42] and Aurora or 70th and Aurora
[2:15:45] intersection uh based on commentary and
[2:15:48] are still looking at 75th in Aurora so
[2:15:51] kind of reviewing uh some of the
[2:15:52] comments that we heard based on some
[2:15:54] concerns uh to make sure that the design
[2:15:57] work is really where it needs to be to
[2:16:00] the best of our ability to know yeah I
[2:16:02] think the fact that this is happening
[2:16:04] right by that main thoroughfare with all
[2:16:06] the schools is kind of the contentious
[2:16:08] point right right well and I was talking
[2:16:11] to Curtis about this today I mean if you
[2:16:13] drive down Ashworth in West de Mo in the
[2:16:17] you know just beginning parts from east
[2:16:21] to west and West to Mo you know they've
[2:16:23] just completed I don't know I don't know
[2:16:24] if there's bike Lanes I don't know but
[2:16:26] they've you know gone from four lanes to
[2:16:28] three lanes and it's just like a sigh of
[2:16:32] relief driving down that road um so I'm
[2:16:35] looking I mean looking forward to
[2:16:38] getting that um for everyone hopefully
[2:16:42] we'll get there um with this project but
[2:16:45] I mean I've gone back and forth as the
[2:16:48] council can attest on whether or not I
[2:16:50] want to do this project project and I've
[2:16:51] definitely come around to I think for
[2:16:55] safety purposes for pedestrians for our
[2:16:58] new drivers for all of our drivers we
[2:17:01] need to do this project so if it's if
[2:17:03] it's for safety purposes like the the program title is on street bike
[2:17:08] Lanes the description the first line is
[2:17:11] you will add bike Lanes there's there's
[2:17:13] nothing in the justification that says
[2:17:14] anything about safety exactly this is a
[2:17:17] mmark in terms of how this has been
[2:17:19] written up in the CIP I believe
[2:17:21] I that would be when we get to making a
[2:17:23] motion I'd like to make a motion related
[2:17:25] to that that sounds like a really good
[2:17:27] plan
[2:17:29] okay are there any other more I me we
[2:17:32] can come back to this it sounds like
[2:17:33] we'll have a Amendment um anything else
[2:17:36] related to this project or we can move
[2:17:38] on to another section of Aurora no I
[2:17:41] agree with the both of you because even
[2:17:42] when we talked about this project last
[2:17:44] year it was more about bike lanes and
[2:17:45] safety
[2:17:49] so next one is page 67 which is an oute
[2:17:53] for Roar
[2:17:57] Avenue so page 68 is our community
[2:18:01] entrance sign just a little update so
[2:18:03] 2023 just recently completed we have one
[2:18:06] up at Northwest Urbandale drive by the
[2:18:08] interstate up by north of
[2:18:11] Target um and then we did one at 154th
[2:18:16] kind of tell everybody as they're coming
[2:18:17] out of Johnson or Grimes into Urbandale
[2:18:19] that you're in Urbandale
[2:18:21] and then the southwest corner of the 86
[2:18:23] Street interchange we just get finished
[2:18:26] up our signed there then we have under
[2:18:28] construction our current project is
[2:18:30] we're up on our North Corporate limits
[2:18:31] at 128 street so up where the new new
[2:18:34] warehouses were built up on the Grimes
[2:18:36] border we got a sign there and then on
[2:18:39] 104th in Hickman by CarMax we also have
[2:18:42] a sign sign there letting you know that
[2:18:44] you're on Hickman coming into Urbandale
[2:18:47] and we'll just we're looking to continue
[2:18:48] to keep keep adding adding those signs
[2:18:53] here page 69 is is a maintenance or
[2:18:57] preservation we call it so we are
[2:18:59] looking looking at doing patching on
[2:19:02] Douglas Avenue and Douglas Parkway on
[2:19:04] both sides of the interchange from1
[2:19:07] Street out to 121st
[2:19:11] Street John how is that um gonna tie
[2:19:16] up traffic we still will do it one lane
[2:19:20] at a time okay because I'm thinking
[2:19:22] about Hickman and people oh that correct
[2:19:26] I've been again based on all the
[2:19:27] information I have on the schedule for
[2:19:30] how Hickman's going I've been working
[2:19:32] these projects all around that so that
[2:19:34] it's not not happening while it's a
[2:19:37] detour or anything like that it's like
[2:19:39] I'll probably get burned and things will
[2:19:41] run slow or long and then it it'll
[2:19:43] they'll overlap but my my goal right now
[2:19:45] is I've been looking at all that and
[2:19:46] trying to kind of pace that all together
[2:19:53] um so the 70th Street Redevelopment or
[2:19:56] guess page 70 Douglas Avenue um
[2:19:59] basically this one we've hired a
[2:20:01] consultant to kind of help us figure out
[2:20:03] what what the downtown master plan
[2:20:05] should look like and any improvements
[2:20:07] with Douglas or the surrounding
[2:20:08] neighborhood we're looking at it's
[2:20:10] probably got six to eight months left to
[2:20:13] complete that process so that next year
[2:20:15] we'll be able to come back with very
[2:20:17] specific projects to add into the CIP
[2:20:20] related to kind of revitalizing um the
[2:20:22] downtown area that's one of the main
[2:20:25] goals we've stressed to that consultant
[2:20:27] is we need tangible projects that we can
[2:20:29] start doing to make improvements down
[2:20:32] there so more to come but nothing really to share right now other
[2:20:37] than there's been a lot of public
[2:20:38] meetings with the downtown groups and
[2:20:40] there'll be plenty more public meetings
[2:20:42] for people to provide input and we I
[2:20:44] guess we just completed a survey a
[2:20:47] Citywide survey as well for input
[2:20:55] 7 page 71 is the Douglas Avenue
[2:20:58] urbanization so I was just talking about
[2:21:01] that a little bit so our last of the
[2:21:04] physically urbanizing I the streets is
[2:21:07] being worked on now hopefully completed
[2:21:09] in the spring that's from 86 Street that
[2:21:12] came down into the elm Elm Drive area
[2:21:14] they've completed most of the outside
[2:21:16] they just have a little bit more curb
[2:21:18] and gutter in the filling of the medians
[2:21:20] to do in the spring and then of course
[2:21:22] we still have the Reconstruction of a
[2:21:23] portion of 82nd street but are coming up
[2:21:26] next phase which is in in
[2:21:31] 26 um we recently were at the creek out
[2:21:35] towards 100 Street we did some tree
[2:21:36] plantings and beautification in this
[2:21:38] area in the past we had done it out at
[2:21:41] the Douglas interchange so our next
[2:21:42] piece in 26 is to tie those two pieces
[2:21:45] together um this one will be a little
[2:21:47] different than the others in the sense
[2:21:49] that we'll have a lot more um
[2:21:51] involvement and Outreach with the
[2:21:52] businesses we knew that when we were
[2:21:54] doing the original business or you know
[2:21:56] the original plan to come come figure it
[2:21:59] out they just had concerns about trees
[2:22:01] size of trees in front of their
[2:22:02] businesses and things so we will involve
[2:22:04] the businesses again to come up with our plan through here so our next
[2:22:09] step will be to hire a consultant to
[2:22:10] start that
[2:22:15] process so page 72 it's one that you
[2:22:19] just mentioned about coordinating with
[2:22:21] detours um we're looking to replace the
[2:22:24] railroad crossing on Douglas just west
[2:22:26] of 100 Street based on all the detour
[2:22:29] that are going on and conversations that
[2:22:31] we've had had with the the dot and their
[2:22:33] Consulting it looks like the spring of
[2:22:35] 2027 is our one window to do this
[2:22:38] project or wait another two three years
[2:22:41] or a couple years to get to it so this
[2:22:43] should work with their their timing um
[2:22:46] so you've already been in conversation
[2:22:47] with the railroad then correct and the
[2:22:50] good part about this is this is one
[2:22:52] where it goes through the do but it's a
[2:22:54] grant process so the do pays 60% the
[2:22:57] railroad pays 20% and we pay
[2:22:59] 20% so again yep we've had conversations
[2:23:03] on trying to work through scheduling and
[2:23:05] everything but we have officially obtain
[2:23:06] the grant which has the railroad on the
[2:23:09] hook the way it typically works is um
[2:23:12] they'll remove the tracks we'll do some
[2:23:13] asphalt work underneath and the railroad
[2:23:15] comes in and puts the tracks back and
[2:23:17] then we do the the transition next to
[2:23:19] the track so it's a joint joint effort
[2:23:21] with the
[2:23:23] railroad quick question for you um with
[2:23:25] the Douglas Avenue modification say it's
[2:23:29] ending at Elm right now what happens
[2:23:31] east of elm or is that kind of part of
[2:23:33] the that's that's already has the curban
[2:23:36] gutter it's not a rural section anymore
[2:23:38] so we've done we've basically when we
[2:23:40] call it the urbanization we're removing
[2:23:42] the rural cross-section of it where it
[2:23:43] has the ditches and no storms through we
[2:23:45] we're filling in those ditches adding
[2:23:47] curb and gutter and and the intakes and
[2:23:49] things so that's that's what we're
[2:23:50] really doing is taking away that rural feel and making it more urban
[2:23:55] as it's in town so basically as we get
[2:23:57] down to Elm it was already curved the
[2:24:00] rest of the way
[2:24:01] East and I guess we've been working on
[2:24:03] this you know from the interstate in
[2:24:05] over the last probably 10 years or so
[2:24:08] yeah we were just talking about the the
[2:24:09] downtown Redevelopment right so that's
[2:24:11] kind of the entrance in and I just
[2:24:13] didn't know if there was anything kind
[2:24:14] of planned for that last stretch to oh
[2:24:17] that that's to be determined that's part
[2:24:18] of the study is it does the lane
[2:24:21] configurations change do the sidewalks
[2:24:23] how how is it going to function what
[2:24:25] kind of amenities can be added so y
[2:24:27] That's all still still being worked on
[2:24:29] so that's kind of contingent on the
[2:24:30] master plan taking place correct
[2:24:36] yes um on page 73 this is another
[2:24:39] maintenance project on Douglas Parkway
[2:24:42] from 128 Street back West to the creek
[2:24:46] um we are fortunate enough we received
[2:24:48] 500,000 in the surface transportation
[2:24:50] block grant funding for this project
[2:24:53] which we do have planned in
[2:24:59] 27 one I'd mentioned before it's a new
[2:25:02] in the CIP on page 74 but it's the
[2:25:05] Reconstruction of the Hickman frontage
[2:25:07] road so again we're just west of our
[2:25:10] parks and Public Works um this this
[2:25:12] Frontage Road's in rough shape so we'll
[2:25:14] reconstruct that which will allow us to
[2:25:16] use that um the continue connection of
[2:25:19] the trails along with with uh improving
[2:25:21] the sidewalk connection
[2:25:24] here so that's planned in
[2:25:30] 2028 page 75 is the Hickman interchange
[2:25:35] I'll go in a little more detail that in
[2:25:36] a minute just wanted to point out you'll
[2:25:39] see there the uh the sheet itself
[2:25:42] probably has a lot different format than
[2:25:44] last year um kind of one of those things
[2:25:47] it kind of gets misnomer or you know
[2:25:48] like when the no is doing stuff they see
[2:25:50] our total amount of 100 million we
[2:25:52] changed this up to make sure it was
[2:25:53] clear we don't have 100 million the dot
[2:25:56] has like 85 million of this project so
[2:25:58] it doesn't look like when they started
[2:26:00] doing comparisons of each City and their
[2:26:02] cips and how much they're doing and you
[2:26:04] know Walky did it like us you got walk
[2:26:06] and Urbandale with you know several
[2:26:08] hundred million going on and then you
[2:26:10] got West de you know with with you know
[2:26:13] 50 million it just kind of skews it so
[2:26:15] we we reconfigured the page that if if
[2:26:18] we are not the lead on the project we are just really putting our numbers that are our costs up into
[2:26:25] the CIP so again but then later down in
[2:26:28] the in the text is where we break it
[2:26:30] down to you know the do is 85 million
[2:26:32] Clive has 4 million and we have four
[2:26:34] million plus the grants we've received
[2:26:36] so just to maybe make it a little bit
[2:26:38] more of a truer document on what are the
[2:26:41] city's costs and projects we are doing
[2:26:44] why are our numbers in
[2:26:46] 27 um basically we have them in 27
[2:26:50] because on the schedule the do is doing
[2:26:53] work on the interstate in 25 and 26 the
[2:26:56] Hickman Road stuff which includes our
[2:26:57] amenities happen in 27 we also currently
[2:27:00] have an in 27 um there is maybe chance
[2:27:03] to delay some payments with the dot but
[2:27:05] again we just have to get to that point
[2:27:08] first so what I've got here just want to
[2:27:11] run through what is happening at the
[2:27:13] interchange being that
[2:27:15] uh this is probably the most exciting
[2:27:18] project I guess we have in here the most
[2:27:21] impactful your excitement level kind of
[2:27:23] depends I guess on what what things you
[2:27:25] like here but so just just looking at it
[2:27:28] here so we've got the interstate running
[2:27:31] north south here um so this is Hickman
[2:27:34] Road and again we're looking to make it
[2:27:35] a Divergent Diamond which will be
[2:27:37] similar to there's one in W one in anony
[2:27:40] what makes these these kind of
[2:27:41] interchanges unique is normally if
[2:27:44] you're going eastbound you'd continue
[2:27:46] East and you'd have to turn in front of
[2:27:47] traffic to go north but the Diamond
[2:27:50] you'll be from the south side you'll
[2:27:52] have a signalized intersection it'll
[2:27:54] take you to the north side of the road
[2:27:56] and then you can just take your left
[2:27:57] here without having to cross traffic if
[2:28:00] you're looking to continue East you'd
[2:28:01] come back through a signalized
[2:28:03] intersection and back on what you'd call
[2:28:05] the standard size of the road so this
[2:28:07] does improve safety greatly that you are
[2:28:08] not Crossing and turning in front of
[2:28:11] people you can also see that this this
[2:28:14] was a big thing for us is to get the
[2:28:15] trail system through the interchange um
[2:28:19] that's something that and Urbandale went
[2:28:21] together on was the trail the trail and
[2:28:24] then the different enhancements in at
[2:28:26] the interstate here so we're splitting
[2:28:28] those cost 5050 minus the grants that
[2:28:30] we've been able to obtain
[2:28:32] together so we've got a bridge that this
[2:28:36] is Lifetime Fitness up over here the
[2:28:38] bridge that'll come up and over for the
[2:28:40] Peds up and over the ramp you'll come
[2:28:42] down go through a box cul under the
[2:28:44] interstate come back around go up and
[2:28:47] over these ramps and then come back down
[2:28:49] in the TR Trail over towards the
[2:28:51] entrance to um over to liveing history
[2:28:54] farms um just kind of an overview too
[2:28:56] you can see some different plantings
[2:28:57] within within the medians so here's just
[2:29:00] another view so again we kind of my
[2:29:04] Lifetime Fitness looking out there's
[2:29:06] also going to be a Culver under Hickman
[2:29:09] Road so there'll be a connection that'll
[2:29:11] come along the ramp and and the truck
[2:29:13] stop that'll connect you down to the
[2:29:15] Clive green belt so it'll tie these two
[2:29:17] Trails together that way we'll have good connection here west of the
[2:29:22] interstate and we have a good connection
[2:29:23] on 100 Street is that trail falling into
[2:29:26] Clive's budget then we agreed to split
[2:29:30] everything because again otherwise they
[2:29:32] could say well this other one's on the
[2:29:33] north side of the interstate you pay for
[2:29:35] it all including the
[2:29:37] bridges I just didn't recall touching on
[2:29:40] that one maybe that was back in the the
[2:29:42] trail section be the link down to the
[2:29:44] green belt Trail oh that's all in this
[2:29:46] project okay it's all it's all being
[2:29:48] built with the do project um you'll also
[2:29:50] note so far you know we've gotten 2.5
[2:29:53] million in the STP another 800,000 in
[2:29:56] tap there's been some talk I think we'll
[2:29:58] probably get another 1.1 million in IAP
[2:30:01] and there's again some talk with could
[2:30:03] at almost almost 500,000 and some other
[2:30:06] dot funding so there's still some
[2:30:08] funding we're working on but we're all this is included we're just
[2:30:11] splitting everything 5050 on it so does
[2:30:14] the additional funding then reduce the
[2:30:17] reduce our the Clive and Urbandale
[2:30:19] portions red the 4 million we just again
[2:30:22] nothing's been officially awarded yet
[2:30:24] but I think things are looking good for
[2:30:26] us well this is exciting when is this
[2:30:28] picture reality again uh this will be
[2:30:30] occurrred in
[2:30:32] 2027 the Landscaping 28 29 it'll look
[2:30:35] like this maybe
[2:30:37] 30 want to temper everybody's
[2:30:38] expectations it takes a little time to
[2:30:40] get all this stuff to grow and look like
[2:30:42] the
[2:30:44] renderings that's a big deal so here's
[2:30:46] just another another look of you can
[2:30:48] kind of see for the first time going underneath the bridge and our
[2:30:52] plantings and here's kind of what it
[2:30:53] looks like from the street the street
[2:30:55] level so again we'll have some some
[2:30:57] plantings out here um we're looking at
[2:30:59] having some monuments in the
[2:31:01] median and then we'll also have some
[2:31:03] under the bridge that kind of serve two
[2:31:05] purposes here you know they're
[2:31:07] decorative and at the same time they
[2:31:08] also help block the headlights between
[2:31:10] the two different different sides of the
[2:31:12] road it's a really great idea and then
[2:31:15] here again just showing a little closeup
[2:31:18] of the bridge that crosses from left on
[2:31:20] Fitness heading heading over the the
[2:31:22] exit
[2:31:23] ramps and then just showing what it'll
[2:31:25] look like as you go into the box culber
[2:31:28] underneath the
[2:31:33] interstate what I love is the way that's
[2:31:35] going to connect eastern and western
[2:31:38] Urban dale uh as well as with Clive yep
[2:31:41] again it really does make some nice
[2:31:43] connections
[2:31:50] page
[2:31:52] 76 again is another maintenance project
[2:31:55] on Justin drive so in 2025 we're looking
[2:31:59] at a patch and overlay project on the
[2:32:01] 109th Justin over to 100 Street in this
[2:32:04] little piece of Justin then coming back
[2:32:06] the next year in 2026 and just do
[2:32:09] patching on 100 Street Dennis and the
[2:32:11] frontage road just reference again
[2:32:13] here's where we talked about the
[2:32:14] property we bought that could
[2:32:16] potentially be the location for the
[2:32:17] police station here
[2:32:22] so page 77 is medians art and
[2:32:26] Landscaping this prominantly the parks
[2:32:29] department working on this I won't make
[2:32:31] Jan come up here for it basically last
[2:32:34] year we did plantings on merth Drive in
[2:32:37] the medians between 86 Street out to
[2:32:39] 156th Street now in the in the 2025
[2:32:42] we're planning on this stretch of 156
[2:32:45] street from Douglas North up to
[2:32:47] Waterford road so again planting some
[2:32:49] more more trees trees in our wider
[2:32:52] mediums so just curious why don't we bid
[2:32:55] that out when we actually construct the the roadway in the
[2:32:58] medians have that part of the project we
[2:33:01] could just usually again we like to try
[2:33:04] to get the grass to grow first and as I
[2:33:06] said it usually takes a couple years
[2:33:07] three years to get the grass growing and
[2:33:10] then come back and try to plant in trees
[2:33:13] feels like you could pretty cost
[2:33:14] effective where the contractors a to
[2:33:15] plant some trees rather they there I say
[2:33:17] the other part is we weren't planting
[2:33:18] trees in medians up last year no I I
[2:33:21] love it too I I do I live out that way
[2:33:23] and the more trees in the medians I love
[2:33:24] it so it's uh this has been one of my uh
[2:33:27] my projects great is to see we have
[2:33:31] these incredibly wide uh
[2:33:34] medians um especially out west and
[2:33:38] there's nothing but grass in them and
[2:33:40] it's there's not a clearer sign on 156th
[2:33:43] Street from when you go from Urbandale
[2:33:45] to Clive you know where that line is you
[2:33:47] know where that line is without any
[2:33:49] signs because they have stuff in the
[2:33:51] medians and we don't it's good to see
[2:33:54] this I think the other thing that it
[2:33:55] helps us doing it after the fact is you
[2:33:58] have a roadway guy as your prime
[2:33:59] contractor he's just looking for any sub
[2:34:01] that'll do trees really cheap versus
[2:34:03] bidding them on their own then you're
[2:34:05] just getting a tree guy that's his own
[2:34:07] prime contractor dealing with it I think
[2:34:08] we probably have a little better luck on
[2:34:10] it that way yeah yeah I could argue both
[2:34:13] ways but I understand
[2:34:20] page
[2:34:21] 78 is our marath Drive preservation
[2:34:24] project I had mentioned from 86 Street
[2:34:26] out to 104 so this one will be a patch
[2:34:29] and overlay project very similar to what
[2:34:32] we did this year from 104th out to the
[2:34:35] interstate um we're also including a 10-
[2:34:37] foot Trail on the North side and this is
[2:34:40] into the do for a January
[2:34:46] leting and then here this one's similar
[2:34:49] to to the Douglas railroad improvements
[2:34:51] only on marath drive so what we did is
[2:34:54] we did our patching and overlay to tie
[2:34:56] in kind of smoothed it out somewhat it's
[2:34:58] still a little rougher than we'd like so
[2:34:59] we're going to actually replace the
[2:35:01] crossing this will be done the same time
[2:35:03] as the Douglas one so that makes it be
[2:35:05] the spring of
[2:35:06] 2027 did the grant we got a grant for
[2:35:09] this one as well yep yep and that's
[2:35:12] where it's the most cost effective for
[2:35:13] us is have the you pay for the railroad
[2:35:15] to come in stay and all their time you
[2:35:17] might as well have them do two at the
[2:35:19] same time and save a little bit there
[2:35:21] could you quickly educate us just on the
[2:35:23] patch and overlay these These are big
[2:35:25] dollars right for some of these projects
[2:35:27] and um you know I drive some of these
[2:35:30] streets every day and they don't seem
[2:35:31] terrible to me but I'm sure there's a
[2:35:33] lot that I don't understand about that
[2:35:35] um could you kind of help us understand
[2:35:37] kind of the what the patch and overlay
[2:35:38] does sure so basically one we have areas
[2:35:42] where panels are cracked up so again as
[2:35:45] they when they crack up they start to
[2:35:47] move so different times of the year
[2:35:48] they're rougher than other times this
[2:35:50] also causes the joints to fail um so
[2:35:53] basically by doing the patching you you
[2:35:56] kind of get the new concrete you overlay
[2:35:58] it you seal everything up that also cuts
[2:36:00] down on the amount of time like our
[2:36:01] Public Works Crews have to be out there
[2:36:03] filling potholes because again those
[2:36:05] last for a little while and then they
[2:36:06] come out and we're back filling the
[2:36:08] potholes again so again
[2:36:11] basically you get to a certain age of a
[2:36:13] street where like on this project most
[2:36:15] of our patching is on the inside
[2:36:17] original Lanes it was 20 12 we did the
[2:36:20] widening of the roadway so there's not a
[2:36:22] lot of repairs that need there but the
[2:36:24] other patches you know they've been been
[2:36:26] there since you know the roadway has
[2:36:28] been there since the 80s I believe on
[2:36:29] this one so just over time you want to
[2:36:32] do do the patching in your preventative
[2:36:34] maintenance so you don't have to
[2:36:35] reconstruct the entire road which we'll
[2:36:37] talk about another road that's a total
[2:36:39] reconstruct just because it's it's got
[2:36:42] past the point of being able to do your
[2:36:44] continuing maintenance so how long does
[2:36:46] the patch and overlay kind of extend the
[2:36:48] useful life most of what we've done we
[2:36:51] can see you know 20 years out of our out
[2:36:53] of our overlays and that could get to
[2:36:55] the point you know you might have to do
[2:36:58] some minor repair sometimes you'll get
[2:36:59] some heave still underneath there that
[2:37:01] we can fix up but again you don't have
[2:37:03] to do do anything on the others for
[2:37:06] instance rosand that we're getting ready
[2:37:08] to reconstruct that overlay has been on
[2:37:10] that road for about 20 years and they did did not do a ton of
[2:37:14] extensive patching before that it's
[2:37:16] still held
[2:37:18] together so it's one of those again
[2:37:21] we're just trying to stay ahead of
[2:37:23] having to reconstruct and keep keep the
[2:37:25] roads roads
[2:37:35] passable 80 so um on page 80 this is a
[2:37:38] reconstruction of marath Drive between
[2:37:41] 170th and and V Avenue or 184 Street
[2:37:46] this one here was in 28 I've moved it to
[2:37:49] 30 the oute based on Clive's current
[2:37:53] schedule they're working with Walky to
[2:37:55] what they call Alice's Road our 170th to
[2:37:58] do their reconstructions all the way up
[2:38:00] to Meredith and they've got their
[2:38:01] funding booked up to that point so it's
[2:38:04] going to be difficult to have them
[2:38:06] contribute because the South half of the
[2:38:08] road they have half of the cost of the
[2:38:10] road so I put it to where I hate to do
[2:38:12] it but I put it where I think it's most
[2:38:13] realistic if it got to be a point where
[2:38:16] something had to be done sooner we'd
[2:38:17] have to get in conversations with cl on
[2:38:20] how how that would occur but again just
[2:38:22] wanted to be able to free up money and
[2:38:24] help things balance if I didn't think it
[2:38:26] was going to happen in that in that
[2:38:33] year page 81 is patching on North Park
[2:38:37] Drive between 86 Street and 100 and also
[2:38:41] patching on Plum Drive between 86 Street
[2:38:43] around the curve to Northwest Urbandale
[2:38:48] Drive how old is it Plum Drive see very
[2:38:51] many years ago we put that in um we've
[2:38:54] got the piece over here I think was
[2:38:57] 07 I remember right and I think I think
[2:39:00] this piece was 12 and on these that's
[2:39:03] why you can also see there's not it's a
[2:39:05] little under 600,000 it's not a lot of
[2:39:07] money in here part of that is also to
[2:39:10] deal with the brick work that's out
[2:39:12] there that's something that does take
[2:39:14] more maintenance than your standard your
[2:39:16] standard patches we have done some
[2:39:18] previous brick work repairs as
[2:39:21] well there's a lot of development that
[2:39:23] could potentially happen on some of
[2:39:25] these segments
[2:39:27] um would there be a chance that the
[2:39:30] construction could ruin any of this work
[2:39:32] it it shouldn't these are materials that
[2:39:35] we build we build to a higher standard
[2:39:37] so these are the eight eight and a
[2:39:38] quarter fully reinforced
[2:39:40] Pavements so again we just over time you
[2:39:43] do have some where again some panels
[2:39:45] start to crack start having some issues
[2:39:46] we just like stay on top of it fix them
[2:39:49] and then again keep the road lasting
[2:39:51] longer yeah I've seen the failed brick
[2:39:53] work there on on Plum I just didn't know
[2:39:55] with you know all the trucks and
[2:39:56] Equipment they could be running in and
[2:39:58] out of there if we did something I
[2:39:59] wouldn't want to ruin it again right
[2:40:01] away no no we have more of that issue
[2:40:04] what we call our temporary roads out
[2:40:06] west we might do the asphalt typically
[2:40:08] you know they work great for the
[2:40:09] passenger vehicles the subdivision
[2:40:11] happens the concrete trucks start coming
[2:40:13] in Daily then we start getting rotting
[2:40:15] and issues but the pavement out here
[2:40:17] it's intended for those heavier loads
[2:40:26] and then on page
[2:40:28] 82 um this is a patch and overlay of
[2:40:31] Northwest urbanville Drive between
[2:40:33] Douglas and Meredith Drive this is kind
[2:40:36] of our last section on this the
[2:40:38] stretcher road we previously um did the
[2:40:41] overlay on Northwest derill drive up to
[2:40:43] the ramps then it becomes do from up to
[2:40:45] there they've done their overlay we'll
[2:40:48] catch this mile section
[2:40:49] and previously we did a patch and
[2:40:52] overlay I believe was back at 08 from Hickman Road up to Douglas
[2:41:01] Avenue this one here on page
[2:41:05] 83 also has a little bit different
[2:41:07] format because again Grimes will be the
[2:41:09] lead on this project a little
[2:41:11] background um Urban dale was the lead
[2:41:14] when we constructed 100 Street and this
[2:41:17] first first part of 54 Street so now
[2:41:20] Grimes will be the lead we have roughly
[2:41:22] a th000 feet left where they've got a
[2:41:25] little bit longer distance over here so
[2:41:27] we've got this project to kind of finish
[2:41:29] up our part in Urbandale U we went
[2:41:32] together on a joint application and
[2:41:34] we're able to come up with 500,000 in in
[2:41:36] federal funding to help with the project
[2:41:38] as well so again we anticipate uh Grimes
[2:41:41] will start start being the lead on this
[2:41:43] next
[2:41:47] year so here is is here is a reconstruct
[2:41:51] on page 84 it's Park viw Drive 86 Street
[2:41:54] to to
[2:41:56] Alpine um this is one that's been
[2:41:59] patched before a lot of my understanding
[2:42:01] from past history is there's just a lot
[2:42:03] of settlement at the different service
[2:42:05] trenches along here um recently we did
[2:42:08] patching in these neighborhoods to the
[2:42:09] north and to the South we started
[2:42:11] costing out what it was going to take to do the patches through here is more
[2:42:16] economical to do a full reconstruction
[2:42:19] so we left out the patches on Park View
[2:42:22] so that we could add the CIP page and
[2:42:24] make it a total
[2:42:27] reconstruction see I want to make a
[2:42:29] comment here on this I live in the
[2:42:32] neighborhood there walk with streets and
[2:42:34] sidewalks all the
[2:42:36] time and I think maybe I'm going to
[2:42:40] suggest we use little different
[2:42:42] criteria for our repairs and we have in
[2:42:45] the past at least appears to
[2:42:47] be looks to me like we're when we do
[2:42:50] these repairs like you said on the side
[2:42:52] streets and one other
[2:42:55] we we do it camera perfect it's like it
[2:42:58] was new
[2:43:01] well what trickly Galls me a little bit
[2:43:04] is we even in the last year we you tore
[2:43:08] up and repaved culde saacs all right my
[2:43:11] point being that I think the criteria
[2:43:13] ought to
[2:43:14] be okay how much traffic do it
[2:43:17] carry and how fast is it
[2:43:21] going rather than just camera ready now
[2:43:24] I know this stretch here we're talking
[2:43:26] about here it's
[2:43:28] lousy yeah probably should be replaced
[2:43:31] but it seems to me went overboard in the
[2:43:34] adjacent neighborhood last year I work
[2:43:38] there I think probably not brought it to
[2:43:43] quite a high state of Maintenance but I
[2:43:45] guess again I'll leave that to the rest
[2:43:48] of the
[2:43:50] committee here how nice do they want it
[2:43:53] I'll leave it that going tell you from
[2:43:55] staff's point of view the way we look at
[2:43:57] it is we try to come into a neighborhood
[2:44:00] and fix everything up so that we're not
[2:44:02] back for quite some time I don't
[2:44:04] disagree there's less traffic on the
[2:44:05] culde saxs but we look at if we're going
[2:44:07] to be disrupt in the neighborhood we
[2:44:09] like to hit an entire area at once and
[2:44:11] then keep keep moving
[2:44:14] along and this project is not going to come after anything happening
[2:44:18] on Aurora right we're not hitting these
[2:44:21] people at both sides at the same
[2:44:24] time the the Aurora project will
[2:44:27] probably only take a month maybe at the
[2:44:31] most I don't even know it'll take quite
[2:44:33] that long because the biggest thing is
[2:44:34] we just have to fit it in likely after
[2:44:36] Fourth of July activities and before
[2:44:38] school
[2:44:40] starts yeah I'm just thinking of people
[2:44:42] like on 82 you know if we had something
[2:44:44] on Aurora and something on parku at the
[2:44:46] same time that'd be difficult for them
[2:44:47] so right knowing though the the roadway
[2:44:50] is still open they'll they'll Mill it
[2:44:52] there'll be some impacts while they're
[2:44:53] Milling but then it's open back up
[2:44:55] traffic then they'll overlay
[2:45:02] it and this is 20 this here is happening
[2:45:05] in 2027 and the roro projects currently
[2:45:08] programmed for
[2:45:14] 2025 our next one on page 85 is an oute
[2:45:17] that' be the extension of
[2:45:21] Road page 86 is the one we talked about
[2:45:24] earlier is conver and 70th Street based
[2:45:28] on the complete streets plan for
[2:45:30] accommodating the
[2:45:35] bicycles page 87 that was the first time
[2:45:38] that's going to run all the way down to
[2:45:40] Hickman correct is there anything it's
[2:45:43] linking to on Hickman is there because I
[2:45:46] know we're talking about doing the
[2:45:47] trails on endale correct but we're
[2:45:49] running this all the way down to Hickman
[2:45:51] correct correct I don't think it has
[2:45:54] anything it definitely connects to now
[2:45:55] just like it does in that Meredith but
[2:45:57] you have to start someplace on on
[2:45:59] getting the projects and that that's
[2:46:01] what was planned in the complete streets
[2:46:03] program was you know to to have the
[2:46:05] sherrow and get the connection down to
[2:46:07] hman road which also gives you the
[2:46:09] connection down to the Urbandale Avenue
[2:46:11] as well
[2:46:20] on page
[2:46:21] 87 is a a patching project on Prairie
[2:46:25] Drive and 106 Street so just to the
[2:46:27] northeast of 109th and Douglas
[2:46:35] intersection page
[2:46:38] 88 is the Reconstruction of 109th 112th
[2:46:42] which is there an
[2:46:46] oute 11 Street Paving um south of
[2:46:49] Douglas south of Justin is also in an
[2:46:51] oute that'll be developer
[2:46:56] driven page 90 is a new one in the CIP
[2:47:01] this will be a maintenance project on
[2:47:03] 128 Street between Douglas down towards
[2:47:06] Hickman um this one is scheduled for
[2:47:08] 2028 and we recently received a million
[2:47:12] dollars in the surf service
[2:47:14] Transportation block grant funding
[2:47:22] page 91 is an
[2:47:26] oute page 92 is the Reconstruction of
[2:47:30] 142nd Street from just north of Meredith
[2:47:33] up to Waterford road we've got this
[2:47:35] scheduled for next year but right now
[2:47:37] we're still trying to work through some
[2:47:38] RightWay issues we're having and and
[2:47:41] working with the city of Grimes on their
[2:47:43] portion which is in this area here this
[2:47:46] down here is Urbandale and the west side
[2:47:48] urale so get working currently working
[2:47:51] on that project it's under
[2:47:54] design and then included with that is an
[2:47:57] overlay of the north half mile north of
[2:48:00] Waterford on 142nd Street which is a
[2:48:02] joint project with with Grimes do those
[2:48:05] streets see a whole lot of traffic or is
[2:48:07] this kind of be being done to Spur
[2:48:10] development of what's what's left there
[2:48:12] it's it's not really stir or trying to
[2:48:14] get development as much as just as you
[2:48:16] get more traffic it's easier to maintain
[2:48:19] than the gravel roads right now neither
[2:48:21] Grimes nor urale has that capability so
[2:48:24] we would have to more or less hire
[2:48:26] Dallas County to do that for
[2:48:28] us similar
[2:48:30] to you know trying to remember how long
[2:48:33] AG go ago it was but we did the same
[2:48:36] thing at an asphalt struction on 142nd
[2:48:38] Street that buys you quite a bit of time
[2:48:41] and then we also did that on on
[2:48:43] Waterford before we paved it Waterford
[2:48:47] kept getting delayed though and I think
[2:48:48] we went a couple couple years past a
[2:48:49] useful life of that overlay but a
[2:48:52] littleit but we eventually got that
[2:48:58] done um on page
[2:49:00] 94 um this is 156 Street Reconstruction
[2:49:04] from Waterford Road up to Meadow Drive
[2:49:07] this one's currently in 2028 in the CIP
[2:49:11] this one's really going to be
[2:49:12] development driven the reason for that
[2:49:14] is right here I guess in the mid mile is
[2:49:17] the break between thewa schools and the
[2:49:20] Dallas Center Grim schools so nothing's
[2:49:22] been proposed up here yet um there won't
[2:49:25] be a lot of traffic in this this stretch
[2:49:27] even with the school open and basically
[2:49:30] we want to be able to know where where
[2:49:32] our access points are going to be so you
[2:49:34] kind of have to have some developments
[2:49:35] you can lay out your intersections this
[2:49:37] one we go every 600 feet but it's going
[2:49:39] to be a little bit of a challenge just
[2:49:41] based on the drainage that's coming
[2:49:42] through here and figuring out once
[2:49:44] somebody lays it out where they want
[2:49:45] their streets and how it'll work for
[2:49:47] their neighborhoods
[2:49:53] page 95 isn't out
[2:49:55] year page page 96 is also now here so
[2:49:59] that is the end of streets um we are
[2:50:04] approaching the threeh hour mark of our
[2:50:07] meeting I'm not going to win any records
[2:50:09] hopefully former council member o is not
[2:50:12] watching um but uh I guess I want to ask
[2:50:17] if people want to power through I don't
[2:50:20] think you've got much time and I don't
[2:50:23] know how much discussion you think that
[2:50:25] we're going to need um I'm think we need
[2:50:28] a five minute break oh I
[2:50:30] could I would uh move that let's let's
[2:50:33] have a little break right now
[2:50:36] um yes uh come back in as soon as you
[2:50:40] can I guess
[2:51:15] streets the
[2:51:17] most there's a lot going
[2:51:56] able to make it I got stuck in my own
[2:52:02] driveway thought had sufficient time of
[2:52:05] this endless traffic both ways you know
[2:52:08] oh where do you come out 86 ft just
[2:52:11] north of glor D
[2:52:15] Church a lot of traffic time
[2:52:19] well I know that I thought i'
[2:52:22] planned sufficient time but as it turned
[2:52:24] out it
[2:52:26] didn't I'm always amazed
[2:52:29] sometimes I work in John
[2:52:32] and how are
[2:52:36] you thinking about my students that I'm
[2:52:39] G to meet with tomorrow
[2:52:41] and the what I got to you know by the
[2:52:45] school it's just a lot less stress take
[2:52:48] me a few minutes longer but man it's a
[2:52:51] lot an easier
[2:52:54] Drive never sit this ever
[2:52:59] right
[2:53:11] watchs well next meeting I'll allow more
[2:53:14] time I thought i' right
[2:53:21] I was here early because I thought I had
[2:53:23] a Mee library for this
[2:53:27] one not for two more weeks yeah so I was
[2:53:31] plenty early two too many
[2:53:35] meetings I enjoyed my
[2:53:38] car so in familiar territory
[2:53:47] know is
[2:53:55] too a
[2:53:57] chance my calendar was it said 5:30 I
[2:54:00] thought it was 5:45 but it said it was
[2:54:02] 5:30 so I rushed out the
[2:54:05] door the have you done it
[2:54:17] no so he's not back
[2:54:32] yet know I was out there and it was not
[2:54:38] so not so comfortable this morning with
[2:54:40] the
[2:54:44] beautiful wish I would have known before
[2:54:57] they were glad it was early verus like
[2:54:59] seven because it probably would scary
[2:55:02] but that's the same my
[2:55:06] hus car before we get out the driveway
[2:55:09] we' watch the weather at like midnight
[2:55:12] after 11 after the football
[2:55:15] game and they were like dusting yeah
[2:55:19] much more than that I was thinking like
[2:55:22] you might see it in the grass
[2:55:25] I off
[2:56:01] S I think
[2:56:05] uh ready to go wait yeah here's an easy
[2:56:10] page it's the street lights basically
[2:56:12] this just lists out street lights that
[2:56:14] get constructed with our with our main
[2:56:17] roadway projects
[2:56:19] no dollar amounts those dollar amounts
[2:56:20] are all all included with the roadway
[2:56:24] projects our last section is the traffic
[2:56:32] signals the first one is page
[2:56:35] 99 and what this is is an Adaptive
[2:56:38] traffic signal system on Douglas Avenue
[2:56:41] basically from 100th Street out to 121st
[2:56:44] Street and what adaptive we refer to
[2:56:47] that is um it's a little different than
[2:56:49] how our signals are time today basically
[2:56:52] you have a lot more detection and you
[2:56:53] have more less a computer looking at it sees how the traffic's flowing in
[2:56:58] each location and it can make slight
[2:56:59] adjustments as the traffic is Flowing um
[2:57:03] we are doing our very first project with
[2:57:05] that that's that's Standalone Urbandale
[2:57:08] on 100 Street up by the interstate so
[2:57:11] from Plum Drive up to 54th want to get
[2:57:13] that project completed we've kind of
[2:57:15] gone through some different hurdles with
[2:57:17] the do on funding and everything that
[2:57:20] we're getting to the point here
[2:57:21] hopefully in the next few months we can
[2:57:22] get things up up and running so but this
[2:57:25] will be a future project if that all
[2:57:27] goes well that we'd look at adaptive um
[2:57:29] signal signal timings through
[2:57:32] here is there a reason you you selected
[2:57:34] this um section of road for
[2:57:37] that uh we picked three four sections
[2:57:41] and I guess this is just the one we put
[2:57:42] in 28 is is is it's a tra it's the
[2:57:46] amount of traffic we have as as and the
[2:57:48] proximity of the traffic signal so
[2:57:51] really want want to see if we can't get
[2:57:53] traffic flowing better from 100th all
[2:57:55] the way through 121st the other thing
[2:57:58] that hopefully can make things a little
[2:58:00] better um things are different now that
[2:58:02] the Merit of The Interchange opened up
[2:58:04] and how things we have quite as much
[2:58:06] traffic coming out at 114th as well so
[2:58:10] are are you hoping to like pilot this
[2:58:11] technology for this section of Road and
[2:58:15] just kind of see how it goes and then no
[2:58:17] that's what we want to see up on 100
[2:58:18] uh I mean this is used different systems
[2:58:20] are used throughout the Metro it's on
[2:58:22] Hickman Road it's on University it's all throughout West de Mo it's just
[2:58:28] again we haven't had a lot of
[2:58:30] opportunity to use it ourselves and see how we how we like it so again we
[2:58:35] want to make sure we like the system
[2:58:36] before we would go to this next step
[2:58:38] here
[2:58:43] gotcha um so page 100 is an oute
[2:58:48] page 101 is an out year um so page 102
[2:58:53] is similar with the Adaptive system that
[2:58:55] we've got in 26 and this would be
[2:58:58] linking the signals together on
[2:59:00] Northwest urbanville drive from the
[2:59:01] interstate down to Meredith then on
[2:59:04] Meredith from Northwest urb Hill drive
[2:59:06] out to 128th
[2:59:12] Street on page 103 um we have traffic
[2:59:15] signals at 70th and and 72nd in Meredith
[2:59:20] um there are only two that we have now
[2:59:22] that are not tied into our system that
[2:59:24] we can control from the office um you
[2:59:26] have to actually go out to the cabinets
[2:59:28] so we have fiber that ends in front of
[2:59:30] the high school we're looking to extend
[2:59:32] it on a row to 70th come up to um 70th
[2:59:36] and Meredith and tie into the fiber that
[2:59:39] we have Link in those two traffic
[2:59:40] signals together that we're looking at
[2:59:42] we're currently designing that inhouse
[2:59:44] and we'll construct that next year
[2:59:50] on page 104 is a traffic signal at 128
[2:59:55] in Plum this is out by where the new
[2:59:57] warehouses are are being built these are
[3:00:00] 100% privately funded and will be be
[3:00:03] constructed when when it meets warrants
[3:00:05] out here um with with everything just
[3:00:07] opening the traffic is not there
[3:00:12] yet and then 105 is a signal in andout
[3:00:16] year and
[3:00:18] 106 is now here so I don't even know if
[3:00:21] I even needed five minutes to wrap it up
[3:00:23] uh quick question on the signal at 170th
[3:00:26] and Plum the private uh fun would that
[3:00:29] be the school district or okay yep yep
[3:00:33] we have an an agreement with them
[3:00:35] already
[3:00:41] okay so that is the traffic signal
[3:00:44] section
[3:00:48] and we don't do the water section it's
[3:00:51] just information for you to look at if
[3:00:54] you
[3:00:55] want okay so we've gotten through all of
[3:00:58] the
[3:00:59] presentations in three
[3:01:01] hours but I think we had some excellent
[3:01:03] discussion so
[3:01:07] um I
[3:01:10] guess we can do this um go back I'll go
[3:01:14] back through each section and if anybody
[3:01:17] has any uh things they want to amend um
[3:01:23] we can discuss it uh in that section so
[3:01:26] I'm sure there's lots of art um issues
[3:01:31] okay I would like $4 million
[3:01:34] exactly I'll take it thank you to every
[3:01:36] sorry Nikki thank you to everyone for
[3:01:39] that by the
[3:01:41] way buildings
[3:01:49] okay hearing nothing uh major
[3:01:57] equipment okay hearing nothing
[3:02:00] technology
[3:02:02] nothing
[3:02:09] Parks lots of stuff here
[3:02:14] anything okay uh moving on to
[3:02:20] Bridges okay
[3:02:30] sidewalks okay storm
[3:02:34] water anyone have any
[3:02:37] specific
[3:02:40] um well or might okay and uh the minutes
[3:02:47] will reflect like
[3:02:49] that
[3:02:51] okay uh streets I think Pat had
[3:02:54] something she wanted to propose well
[3:02:57] I I think on these pieces that are uh
[3:03:00] part of the complete streets plan
[3:03:03] perhaps the title should be uh complete
[3:03:06] streets I don't want to hide the bike
[3:03:08] Lanes though I don't think that would be
[3:03:10] perceived as uh genuine from us so
[3:03:13] perhaps this one could be for example um
[3:03:16] complete Street road diet with bike
[3:03:19] lanes and then uh something similar on
[3:03:22] 70th a similar title but I also think
[3:03:26] that the write up uh needs to reflect
[3:03:29] that the real goals here for most of
[3:03:31] these projects in some places it perhaps
[3:03:34] it is about the bike access but these
[3:03:36] projects in particular especially this
[3:03:38] one was really designed to improve
[3:03:41] overall safety to take these four lanes
[3:03:44] where people go too fast and bring them
[3:03:46] down to three lanes and really do that
[3:03:49] kind of work that these Road diets can
[3:03:51] provide so whatever material we might be
[3:03:55] developing information we might be
[3:03:57] developing for the public perhaps in
[3:03:59] addition to perhaps a handout for those
[3:04:01] who show up um that could be
[3:04:04] incorporated in this write up and so I
[3:04:08] don't know how to move that uh except to
[3:04:11] say I would like to move that we
[3:04:12] recommend a title change and a more
[3:04:14] detailed description for our complete
[3:04:16] streets projects in this
[3:04:18] document uh I'll ask for a second and
[3:04:21] then we can have discussion is there a
[3:04:23] second I'll second then okay I'm going
[3:04:26] to look at you two guys right now um is
[3:04:29] this something that can be done be
[3:04:32] before we send it to the council okay or
[3:04:36] would we get replacement Pages before
[3:04:38] the public hearing okay that would be
[3:04:41] fantastic yeah so uh probably for the
[3:04:47] this one on page 66 and then the
[3:04:50] 70th uh okay fantastic and anything else
[3:04:55] in here that I not remembering whether
[3:04:57] it would be called the complete Street
[3:04:59] or not I don't think we have another one
[3:05:01] that's part of the complete streets plan
[3:05:03] per se but we kind of did yeah maybe
[3:05:06] something along Meredith
[3:05:11] or well there should be some level of
[3:05:13] indication of that maybe though that
[3:05:15] could be at the beginning of the whole
[3:05:16] section as a post to Page by
[3:05:19] Page yeah yeah okay that's good that's
[3:05:23] yeah that's right that's good enough so
[3:05:24] I guess to specifically those two pages
[3:05:28] have change changed those two pages and
[3:05:31] get those um emailed out to us for the
[3:05:35] public hearing so any other discussion
[3:05:38] on I I just have one quick comment on it
[3:05:42] in that I think we just have to be
[3:05:44] really careful with how we reate all of
[3:05:48] this in that we don't want it to appear
[3:05:51] to be like we're retrofitting this to
[3:05:54] make it fit our narrative and not yours
[3:05:57] so I think if complete streets was done
[3:06:00] five years ago eight years ago whenever
[3:06:02] that was done that you know credit is
[3:06:04] given to that study so that when it's
[3:06:07] pointed out the the main point of this
[3:06:09] was in fact safety and not bike lanes
[3:06:12] that and that they were a nice maybe
[3:06:15] excuse me add-on to some folks um
[3:06:17] whatever that might be I think it's just
[3:06:18] really important that we're very
[3:06:19] transparent on you know this is what it
[3:06:21] was it probably got as we as has already
[3:06:24] been stated I don't need to go down that
[3:06:26] road but I would just really attribute
[3:06:28] maybe some of that back to that study if
[3:06:31] that's really the leg that there is to
[3:06:33] stand on no I think that's a really good
[3:06:36] point John I guess if you guys want to
[3:06:39] maybe have Pat and I look at it before
[3:06:42] and then if we have Pro we can when we
[3:06:45] vote on the whole document at the public
[3:06:47] hearing to refer it to the council we
[3:06:49] can make any specific changes to those
[3:06:52] pages at that time at the public Hearing
[3:06:55] in a couple of weeks so uh we'll take a
[3:07:00] vote I had a did you did you have a any
[3:07:04] questions related to Pat's or comment
[3:07:07] okay so should we take a vote on Pat's
[3:07:12] Amendment uh motion by bod second by
[3:07:15] Hilbert all in favor say I any who
[3:07:21] oppose
[3:07:22] fantastic you had another had one
[3:07:26] question for you real quick and then
[3:07:27] yeah I had a couple of comments we keep
[3:07:30] referring back to the complete streets
[3:07:31] which was done fairly recently 2019 but
[3:07:34] as cities continually evolve how long
[3:07:37] are we kind of going to reference
[3:07:39] complete streets without looking at that
[3:07:40] again
[3:07:50] I guess we could always relook at it I'm
[3:07:52] just not sure things have changed enough
[3:07:54] we're still trying to implement um the
[3:07:56] things that are in there because it was
[3:07:58] set up as short medium and long-term
[3:08:01] priorities so we're still work working
[3:08:03] through those there's also I would say
[3:08:06] probably a quarter of the document is
[3:08:08] areas like uh one we showed on Hickman
[3:08:11] Road that would be really nice if we
[3:08:12] could get a trail through there so
[3:08:13] there's a lot that are Developer dependent or they're alongside
[3:08:18] an arterial that hasn't been
[3:08:20] reconstructed yet there's you know
[3:08:21] several we cannot do do yet but again I
[3:08:24] think it's still a good document that
[3:08:26] we're still trying to work our way
[3:08:28] through because we knew knew going into
[3:08:30] it that you know we' work on the short
[3:08:32] ones and those mediums would take a
[3:08:33] while and of course there's just
[3:08:34] longterm ones that still take a while
[3:08:37] and I think as a staff every opportunity
[3:08:40] we get to work one into a project we
[3:08:43] look at it evaluate and try to do that
[3:08:49] yeah thank you for that answer um and
[3:08:51] then getting
[3:08:52] to I don't want to change anything for
[3:08:54] this year okay I I would like to have
[3:08:59] explored um two of the the comments i'
[3:09:01] mentioned and I don't know when it comes
[3:09:03] to the trails or the sidewalks what
[3:09:05] section these fall in because they they
[3:09:06] get it's a little gray there but the uh
[3:09:09] the 200 foot section that we are talking
[3:09:13] about not doing on Meredith it seems
[3:09:16] silly but there is that gas meter
[3:09:18] station so I would like to have explored
[3:09:21] just what that cost might be you know
[3:09:23] being a realist it comes back a million
[3:09:25] dollars doesn't make sense right but I
[3:09:28] don't know that we've kind of assigned a
[3:09:29] price or explored it at all but it does
[3:09:32] seem silly to not do a 200 foot section
[3:09:34] when the restom mar is
[3:09:36] done um and then the other one would be
[3:09:39] is there any potential to get that trail
[3:09:42] under Plum Drive as it is on every other
[3:09:45] major arterial Crossing for that trail
[3:09:47] Network and in here we had talked about
[3:09:50] in the 27 doing that overlay on Plum
[3:09:54] could be a potential just a patch yeah
[3:09:57] but it could be a time where we could
[3:09:59] look at something like that if it's even
[3:10:01] possible again you know being realist
[3:10:04] dollars might not make sense there but
[3:10:06] just looking at those two for future
[3:10:11] CIP thank you are there any other uh
[3:10:18] amendments proposals uh related to the
[3:10:21] street
[3:10:24] section
[3:10:26] okay well that was most of
[3:10:28] it Street lighting uh hearing none
[3:10:33] traffic
[3:10:36] signals
[3:10:38] okay so good work everyone um I think
[3:10:43] Nikki will and Addison and um
[3:10:47] vivana will be get doing a little bit of
[3:10:50] work um to get us ready for the public
[3:10:53] Hearing in two two weeks the 16th um so
[3:11:00] uh look for uh some new pages related to
[3:11:05] um the Aurora Pro Aurora and 70th
[3:11:08] project um is there anything
[3:11:13] else oh no yeah definitely anybody yeah
[3:11:18] I think uh no no we're good do do we
[3:11:21] know the date of the it's January 21st
[3:11:24] but is it a normal 6 pm time for the CIP
[3:11:29] public hearing for the council
[3:11:32] okay okay well thank you all for uh
[3:11:38] three hours plus of your evening we did
[3:11:41] some good work tonight I think we've got
[3:11:43] a lot of great projects ahead in
[3:11:44] Urbandale and um we'll see you
[3:11:47] uh on the 16th thank you thank you
[3:11:55] thanks what' you do you wanted to do
[3:11:59] that Chief Isa thatas fire engine