1 00:00:18,116 --> 00:00:20,116 [>>] 2 00:00:34,357 --> 00:00:36,757 Speaker: Is that better? 3 00:00:51,412 --> 00:00:56,212 The crowd is so much lighter this time . 4 00:00:59,228 --> 00:01:02,342 A couple of quick announcements, the meeting 5 00:01:02,342 --> 00:01:07,592 is being held in person here and Is being recorded. 6 00:01:07,592 --> 00:01:13,592 Restrooms, I got completely lost in the labyrinth of offices 7 00:01:13,672 --> 00:01:19,672 back there so I'm going to punt that to Jake. 8 00:01:26,172 --> 00:01:28,172 Speaker: Just go to the people at the front desk 9 00:01:28,172 --> 00:01:33,572 and they will direct you to the closest bathrooms. 10 00:01:37,133 --> 00:01:38,800 Chair Mike Caldwell: Live public comment 11 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,612 is available in person and through the Zoom 12 00:01:40,612 --> 00:01:42,400 link on the agenda. 13 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,532 People must introduce themselves before they speak, 14 00:01:44,532 --> 00:01:47,972 and please speak loudly and into the mic. 15 00:01:47,972 --> 00:01:49,745 That will take us to number two, which 16 00:01:49,745 --> 00:01:53,892 is the Pledge of Allegiance, if you follow me. 17 00:01:53,892 --> 00:01:55,812 Please stand if you are able. 18 00:01:55,812 --> 00:02:00,592 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, 19 00:02:00,592 --> 00:02:05,325 and to the Republic for which it stands 20 00:02:05,325 --> 00:02:08,325 one nation under God indivisible, 21 00:02:08,962 --> 00:02:12,562 with liberty and justice for all. 22 00:02:14,212 --> 00:02:20,212 Up next we have the safety first minute and Travis. 23 00:02:25,684 --> 00:02:28,512 Travis King: The time is finally come, 24 00:02:28,512 --> 00:02:31,212 every parent's dream has come true 25 00:02:31,212 --> 00:02:33,284 and every child's nightmare is coming true, 26 00:02:33,284 --> 00:02:34,762 and that's back to school. 27 00:02:34,762 --> 00:02:37,922 Just a reminder, Granite School District 28 00:02:37,922 --> 00:02:40,922 is actually in session today. 29 00:02:41,372 --> 00:02:45,572 Next week Canyon Salt Lake, Jordan Murray, 30 00:02:45,712 --> 00:02:48,292 alpine we'll all be in session. 31 00:02:48,292 --> 00:02:51,876 As a reminder, talk to your kids about safely 32 00:02:51,876 --> 00:02:54,100 traveling to and from school. 33 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:56,458 Whether or not they are riding with you, 34 00:02:56,458 --> 00:02:57,875 whether they are riding the school 35 00:02:57,875 --> 00:03:01,292 bus come a walking, or using public transportation, 36 00:03:01,292 --> 00:03:04,652 have a plan, talk about public safety with them 37 00:03:04,652 --> 00:03:09,522 and how they can say safe getting to and from school. 38 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:12,202 Staying behind the yellow line on the platforms, 39 00:03:12,202 --> 00:03:16,400 being smart, and just having that simple conversation 40 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,652 can prevent a lot of accidents from happening. 41 00:03:18,652 --> 00:03:20,598 On the other side, for those of us 42 00:03:20,598 --> 00:03:23,142 that are commuting to and from work, please 43 00:03:23,142 --> 00:03:24,940 know that we are going to have some excited 44 00:03:24,940 --> 00:03:28,520 children out and about crossing the street in a hurry 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,952 to get to and from school, so use extra caution 46 00:03:30,952 --> 00:03:33,332 as you are pulling out of your driveways 47 00:03:33,332 --> 00:03:36,896 going through the neighborhoods going to and from work. 48 00:03:36,896 --> 00:03:40,992 Please take those extra minutes to slow down and look 49 00:03:40,992 --> 00:03:46,362 for those children before going out into the street 50 00:03:46,362 --> 00:03:49,112 or crossing those intersections, and we can all 51 00:03:49,112 --> 00:03:52,332 make this a safer place and make this 52 00:03:52,332 --> 00:03:55,852 an exciting time for everybody as school starts back 53 00:03:55,852 --> 00:03:57,852 in session. 54 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,460 Chair Mike Caldwell: That brings us 55 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:06,680 to number four, which is public comment. 56 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,647 We invite the public to comment in person, 57 00:04:08,647 --> 00:04:12,192 or you can do it by Zoom. 58 00:04:12,192 --> 00:04:16,392 Three minutes per commenter , public comments submitted 59 00:04:19,156 --> 00:04:21,120 by email and phone were distributed prior 60 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,452 to the evening, and I didn't see any of those, 61 00:04:23,452 --> 00:04:25,800 so there won't be any of those. 62 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,680 We are open to public comment. 63 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,882 Michael Krull: Soon to be a homeowner in the city's 64 00:04:43,882 --> 00:04:47,996 first district, this will be my last mission meeting 65 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:51,512 where my commute here will be a three block walk. 66 00:04:51,512 --> 00:04:53,742 I'd like to be able to make use of transit 67 00:04:53,742 --> 00:04:55,580 to access these meetings, but that 68 00:04:55,580 --> 00:04:58,200 can be impossible to do in a timely manner 69 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,600 despite the trip from the Northwest side 70 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:01,638 being only 2.5 miles. 71 00:05:01,638 --> 00:05:04,640 The best route to get here in the future 72 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,630 will be a ten minute trip on the route one bus half a mile 73 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:11,548 from the nearest bus stop here. 74 00:05:11,548 --> 00:05:17,548 The walk can be longer than anticipated having to cross 75 00:05:18,988 --> 00:05:20,988 train tracks . 76 00:05:23,538 --> 00:05:26,300 Both of which were actually blocked by a stopped 77 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:29,300 train just ten minutes ago. 78 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,852 My only solution is to add 15 minutes more 79 00:05:36,672 --> 00:05:42,324 onto my trip because of a two mile long transit desert. 80 00:05:42,324 --> 00:05:47,340 The only other north south route within that stretch 81 00:05:47,340 --> 00:05:52,252 is a front runner which I use by transferring from the route one 82 00:05:52,252 --> 00:05:57,612 bus, but the bridge necessary for both my bus 83 00:05:57,612 --> 00:06:03,120 doesn't stop there, it stops a quarter mile away 84 00:06:03,388 --> 00:06:05,932 from the station, if not further. 85 00:06:05,932 --> 00:06:13,132 There is a proposal to remedy the issue allowing the route two 86 00:06:15,225 --> 00:06:20,322 bus to extend to the Fair Park, backtracking to access 87 00:06:20,322 --> 00:06:22,322 the transit center . 88 00:06:25,398 --> 00:06:30,396 The route two bus extension was less an exploratory concept 89 00:06:30,396 --> 00:06:32,380 and even with the separation there 90 00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:36,838 is no promise a bus extension will happen. 91 00:06:42,871 --> 00:06:49,471 It will do little if anything to help me improve access, 92 00:06:52,768 --> 00:06:55,932 as the current bus stop locations at North Temple 93 00:06:55,932 --> 00:06:57,268 remain the same. 94 00:06:57,268 --> 00:07:01,932 With the weekend of study entering its final round 95 00:07:01,932 --> 00:07:03,882 of feedback, there need to be solutions 96 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:08,422 of helping people get across the railroad tracks of the city. 97 00:07:08,422 --> 00:07:10,692 We need stations essential not only 98 00:07:10,692 --> 00:07:13,764 to those that live around it, but the routes that connect. 99 00:07:13,764 --> 00:07:17,292 We need headquarters to be easily 100 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:20,892 accessible via the services they provide. 101 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,592 The agency and the region are very much band aid solutions. 102 00:07:27,592 --> 00:07:29,592 Thank you. 103 00:07:34,207 --> 00:07:37,292 Chair Mike Caldwell: Thank you, appreciate that information. 104 00:07:37,292 --> 00:07:42,920 Seeing no movement, there is nothing else online, 105 00:07:42,412 --> 00:07:46,900 we will go ahead and close the public comment period. 106 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:51,100 Number five, we have the consent items. 107 00:07:52,412 --> 00:07:57,132 First up, we have the approval of the July 15th 2026 Transit 108 00:07:57,132 --> 00:07:58,981 Commission meeting minutes. 109 00:07:58,981 --> 00:08:02,982 I looked at that and didn't have any recommended changes, 110 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:10,182 I would move that we approve that if anybody has a second ? 111 00:08:11,764 --> 00:08:16,564 that is a vote by acclamation , that passes. 112 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Number six, we will start with the executive director's report. 113 00:08:30,876 --> 00:08:36,876 Jay Fox: I would like to invite Camille Glenn up . 114 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,452 Camille Glenn: I am the general manager of operations. 115 00:08:59,570 --> 00:09:04,920 Jay Fox: We like to start by talking about how we work 116 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,983 together collaboratively, today we want to talk about how we 117 00:09:09,983 --> 00:09:14,783 work as an agency to ensure operational readiness . 118 00:09:23,788 --> 00:09:27,988 That goes around three words, prepared, responsive, 119 00:09:29,185 --> 00:09:30,476 and resilient. 120 00:09:30,476 --> 00:09:34,172 Our teams not only manage our 12 month service 121 00:09:34,172 --> 00:09:36,372 and all the service we committed to, 122 00:09:36,372 --> 00:09:40,276 but we also manage major plan events, 123 00:09:40,276 --> 00:09:45,392 that would be the days of 47 parade, concerts, we've 124 00:09:45,392 --> 00:09:48,932 got three home games to start the season off 125 00:09:48,932 --> 00:09:53,860 with and at the same time navigating a seat of good repair 126 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:58,502 work because we have what is known as planned disruptions. 127 00:09:58,502 --> 00:10:05,102 In addition to that, we respond to a myriad of unexpected 128 00:10:05,912 --> 00:10:08,912 incidents, most third party delays , 129 00:10:13,257 --> 00:10:20,457 you may have seen in the papers recently there were some fires . 130 00:10:23,905 --> 00:10:25,572 We did not start the fire but it's still 131 00:10:25,572 --> 00:10:28,840 something we have to respond to when it's happening 132 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,124 and it obviously has impact on the communities and people who 133 00:10:33,124 --> 00:10:34,612 suffer from that. 134 00:10:34,612 --> 00:10:38,832 Through all of that, we continue to develop our regular service 135 00:10:38,832 --> 00:10:43,632 and maintain sometimes even over 90% on time performance 136 00:10:44,132 --> 00:10:48,122 to our system, that's because we have strong contingency plans, 137 00:10:48,122 --> 00:10:50,762 we are prepared for unanticipated and unforeseen 138 00:10:50,762 --> 00:10:53,907 challenges all the time and have great front line leaders 139 00:10:53,907 --> 00:10:59,920 who are empowered to act with that authority on the spot 140 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,392 when we do have anything unexpected. 141 00:11:01,392 --> 00:11:04,620 What I want to do is turn it over to Camille, 142 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:08,320 talk about a few situations when we're 143 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,182 talking about a major event and a planned disruption 144 00:11:11,182 --> 00:11:14,305 and just tell you a little bit about how she handles it 145 00:11:14,305 --> 00:11:16,705 from the operations perspective. 146 00:11:25,332 --> 00:11:29,320 Camille Glenn: We run a very dynamic operation. 147 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,332 It takes coordination not just between one mode 148 00:11:33,332 --> 00:11:38,198 of transportation, we run transit, light rail, heavy rail, 149 00:11:38,198 --> 00:11:40,396 as well as our bus services. 150 00:11:40,396 --> 00:11:45,196 It is very important that we are ready , 151 00:11:47,743 --> 00:11:52,120 and that we can not only respond to those things that we have 152 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,652 planned, but those things that are not planned, 153 00:11:54,652 --> 00:11:57,118 which do happen more than you would think. 154 00:11:57,118 --> 00:12:00,718 Just a couple of recent examples, 155 00:12:01,192 --> 00:12:05,920 we recently as a matter of fact last Friday 156 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,920 supported the Zach Bryan concert that was no small feat, 157 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:15,858 I believe the ticket sales are around 35000 for the stadium. 158 00:12:15,858 --> 00:12:19,948 It's not the largest one we've had, but it was pretty large. 159 00:12:19,948 --> 00:12:23,724 Depending on the nature of the crowd, this one in particular 160 00:12:23,724 --> 00:12:25,812 we noticed there's a lot of customers 161 00:12:25,812 --> 00:12:29,760 that were from out of town, that can always 162 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,202 pose various challenges with wayfinding 163 00:12:31,202 --> 00:12:33,202 for those participants. 164 00:12:33,372 --> 00:12:36,852 But just the initial planning of the event, 165 00:12:36,852 --> 00:12:41,532 our teams work hand in hand with each other from the service plan 166 00:12:41,532 --> 00:12:47,532 that's identified to all of the modes that are involved , 167 00:12:51,268 --> 00:12:56,492 and our control centers as well as our police department. 168 00:12:56,492 --> 00:13:00,692 In addition we also have ambassador support. 169 00:13:04,651 --> 00:13:07,972 Jay Fox: We do have ambassadors from our team. 170 00:13:07,972 --> 00:13:10,272 To be out there to support operations 171 00:13:10,272 --> 00:13:13,992 while they are doing their work to help customers move, that's 172 00:13:13,992 --> 00:13:16,572 an agency wide effort that we are engaged 173 00:13:16,572 --> 00:13:21,920 in so that way our entire operating team can focus on what 174 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:27,692 they are doing well they have the support for their work. 175 00:13:30,612 --> 00:13:33,364 Camille Glenn: At the beginning of the event, 176 00:13:33,364 --> 00:13:35,325 people tend to trickle in at their leisure. 177 00:13:35,325 --> 00:13:38,852 It's the end of the event that we really see the action 178 00:13:38,852 --> 00:13:44,588 happening , and when you have crowds of thousands of people 179 00:13:44,588 --> 00:13:48,532 on your platforms, literally, it can be quite daunting. 180 00:13:48,532 --> 00:13:50,132 But the coordination that happens 181 00:13:50,132 --> 00:13:52,572 between various modes of transportation between getting 182 00:13:52,572 --> 00:13:56,198 on tracks, and if that's not an option for them 183 00:13:56,198 --> 00:13:57,972 they don't want to quite wait, we 184 00:13:57,972 --> 00:13:59,772 have bus services available to them 185 00:13:59,772 --> 00:14:01,392 that can get them to their stations 186 00:14:01,392 --> 00:14:03,172 to connect to frontrunner. 187 00:14:03,172 --> 00:14:10,372 So that's just one example of recent, we had also supported -- 188 00:14:10,988 --> 00:14:15,788 post Malone had been here the week before. 189 00:14:15,812 --> 00:14:19,400 Concerts are huge here, as Jay had alluded to, 190 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,952 the University of Utah games are upon us 191 00:14:21,952 --> 00:14:28,552 and we'll be running our regular game service for those events. 192 00:14:36,852 --> 00:14:41,152 State of good repair -- we have a pretty aggressive capital plan 193 00:14:41,152 --> 00:14:43,882 that we've identified the repairs that are required 194 00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:49,112 throughout our system in order to maintain a safer and reliable 195 00:14:49,112 --> 00:14:51,112 system. 196 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,570 There identified in advance, and through coordination 197 00:14:56,570 --> 00:14:58,152 from our capital teams to our planning teams 198 00:14:58,152 --> 00:15:02,796 to our operations team, identify what segment or what 199 00:15:02,796 --> 00:15:05,372 the actual projects are going to be, 200 00:15:05,372 --> 00:15:07,912 and then how are we going to maintain service 201 00:15:07,912 --> 00:15:09,492 during those disruptions. 202 00:15:09,492 --> 00:15:13,920 Again, it's a huge coordinated effort, 203 00:15:13,242 --> 00:15:17,309 it takes a lot of people's time and attention 204 00:15:17,309 --> 00:15:23,920 to not only what the customer experience is going to be 205 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,252 but the impacts that is going to have on our employees, 206 00:15:26,252 --> 00:15:29,825 on their working conditions as well as our control 207 00:15:29,825 --> 00:15:32,225 centers navigating that work. 208 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,788 We are actually getting ready to wrap up one on ninth Avenue this 209 00:15:38,788 --> 00:15:44,788 week , so we will be glad to have it over . 210 00:15:51,263 --> 00:15:53,684 Jay Fox: We've got three games coming up, 211 00:15:53,684 --> 00:15:56,676 if anyone is interested in seeing what the ambassador work 212 00:15:56,676 --> 00:16:02,440 is like and our operations, please let me know and we will 213 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,440 make arrangements . 214 00:16:06,329 --> 00:16:10,512 It can be Thursday September 3rd, Saturday September 12th, 215 00:16:10,512 --> 00:16:12,912 and Saturday September 19th. 216 00:16:34,212 --> 00:16:38,412 We do work down there at BYU. 217 00:16:51,132 --> 00:16:55,572 I don't know if there was any questions about that, if not, 218 00:16:55,572 --> 00:17:00,865 I wanted to talk about -- we have some internal appointments 219 00:17:00,865 --> 00:17:04,465 for committees that are agency committees , 220 00:17:07,700 --> 00:17:10,105 not former board or commission committees. 221 00:17:10,105 --> 00:17:14,132 The first is the Committee on Accessible Transportation, that 222 00:17:14,132 --> 00:17:15,980 is a committee where we work with members 223 00:17:15,980 --> 00:17:20,388 of the community who have challenges with accessing 224 00:17:20,388 --> 00:17:24,785 our system, so they might have a disability or some other need 225 00:17:24,785 --> 00:17:28,332 so that community is designed to work with them to make 226 00:17:28,332 --> 00:17:32,644 our system more accessible and essentially a way 227 00:17:32,644 --> 00:17:34,272 we engage with that community. 228 00:17:34,272 --> 00:17:36,296 We also have our pension committee, 229 00:17:36,296 --> 00:17:39,758 we have a dedicated pension here, 230 00:17:39,758 --> 00:17:41,972 we are not on the state's pension system. 231 00:17:41,972 --> 00:17:46,172 That committee meets, it's also the committee 232 00:17:46,212 --> 00:17:49,132 that engages with our labor force as well. 233 00:17:49,132 --> 00:17:55,132 Both of those community member, formerly the member who was 234 00:17:55,812 --> 00:18:00,612 on both of those committees was Commissioner Esterson , 235 00:18:00,732 --> 00:18:03,116 so I've got to make that appointment. 236 00:18:03,116 --> 00:18:06,598 I am turning to you Commission members come I certainly 237 00:18:06,598 --> 00:18:08,822 would say Commissioner Esterson has 238 00:18:08,822 --> 00:18:13,452 a traditional amount of knowledge on the pension side 239 00:18:13,452 --> 00:18:17,385 and that would be important for us to maintain that 240 00:18:17,385 --> 00:18:21,332 as part of the pension work for the committee. 241 00:18:21,332 --> 00:18:27,225 I know he has an interest on being what's known as the cats 242 00:18:27,225 --> 00:18:28,120 committee as well. 243 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,204 I turn to you for the discussion, 244 00:18:30,204 --> 00:18:32,124 I would be happy to make the appointment 245 00:18:32,124 --> 00:18:35,124 once this meeting is over. 246 00:18:35,635 --> 00:18:38,520 Chair Mike Caldwell: I have had a number of conversations, 247 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:39,469 there are a couple of appointments 248 00:18:39,469 --> 00:18:41,140 we need to have more of a process 249 00:18:41,140 --> 00:18:43,668 for, we haven't really done that as a commission yet. 250 00:18:43,668 --> 00:18:48,692 I look forward to doing that, we've made a few just so we can 251 00:18:48,692 --> 00:18:51,245 be keeping the business going for a little while, 252 00:18:51,245 --> 00:18:54,892 but I do expect there will be some more dialog about that 253 00:18:54,892 --> 00:18:58,817 in the future, and I guess I would ask Jeff 254 00:18:58,817 --> 00:19:04,217 if he's willing to serve on the pension committee. 255 00:19:11,172 --> 00:19:16,760 Jeff Acerson: I'm happy to continue serving if it is deemed 256 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,476 by the commissioners -- 257 00:19:19,132 --> 00:19:21,112 I've been doing that for quite some time, 258 00:19:21,112 --> 00:19:24,242 the relationships are there, they are going well. 259 00:19:24,242 --> 00:19:28,162 I talked to someone in the cat committee 260 00:19:28,162 --> 00:19:31,760 and she is encouraging, she would be hopeful 261 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,276 that I could continue there that support 262 00:19:44,292 --> 00:19:49,692 Jay Fox: It is the Committee on Accessible Transportation . 263 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:57,542 I wanted to give you guys the opportunity to have 264 00:19:57,542 --> 00:20:02,942 a conversation about it before someone else is interested. 265 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:09,220 Chair Mike Caldwell: I don't have any problem other 266 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:10,452 than saying I think we should all 267 00:20:10,452 --> 00:20:12,702 expect to have a long conversation about that sometime 268 00:20:12,702 --> 00:20:14,965 in the future, but we need to keep the business going 269 00:20:14,965 --> 00:20:18,565 so we are doing that now. 270 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,197 Speaker: I don't know if you guys can hear me, 271 00:20:22,197 --> 00:20:25,172 but I'm very supportive of Commissioner Asserson serving 272 00:20:25,172 --> 00:20:27,172 on that committee. 273 00:20:31,246 --> 00:20:34,332 Jay Fox: Upcoming Commissioner participation opportunities, 274 00:20:34,332 --> 00:20:36,652 we've given each of you a little card here. 275 00:20:36,652 --> 00:20:41,332 We have a save the date for the grand opening of the Northern 276 00:20:41,332 --> 00:20:46,132 Utah accounting on demand, something in the partnership 277 00:20:47,852 --> 00:20:51,452 Between UTA, UDOT and the county. 278 00:20:59,432 --> 00:21:02,196 I hope you can make that, if you want some more information 279 00:21:02,196 --> 00:21:05,500 on that we will get you in touch with Chandler Bueller who 280 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:10,300 is our government relations person for local matters. 281 00:21:11,823 --> 00:21:16,230 Chair Mike Caldwell: Any questions or comments? 282 00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:22,572 that will take us to number seven, fare approvals. 283 00:21:32,898 --> 00:21:39,498 Monica Howe: Hello, today I am bringing to you a contract, 284 00:21:40,512 --> 00:21:46,920 this is with Salt Lake City School District, salt Lake City 285 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,217 Foundation and Salt Lake City Corporation, 286 00:21:48,217 --> 00:21:51,852 so there are three parties to this contract. 287 00:21:51,852 --> 00:21:55,532 We have been working with them since 2022 288 00:21:55,532 --> 00:22:00,332 to provide transit to eligible students, faculty, staff, 289 00:22:00,447 --> 00:22:03,396 and also student guardians, so that 290 00:22:03,396 --> 00:22:06,100 would be one guardian pass per household. 291 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:10,502 We are recommending approval of a new education pass agreement 292 00:22:10,502 --> 00:22:15,902 for the 2026 2027 school year, which would run through July 293 00:22:15,972 --> 00:22:17,972 31st of 2027. 294 00:22:18,708 --> 00:22:23,508 This agreement, like I said, provides transit passes 295 00:22:23,872 --> 00:22:28,738 and the contract will be up to 5000 authorized users, 296 00:22:28,738 --> 00:22:33,636 say would not be able to exceed 50,000 users without coming back 297 00:22:33,636 --> 00:22:35,200 and discussing it with us. 298 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,420 The total agreement is $544,913, and it's split three ways. 299 00:22:42,924 --> 00:22:47,124 The Salt Lake City School District is 216,265, 300 00:22:47,318 --> 00:22:50,918 the Salt Lake Education Foundation is $94,000, 301 00:22:52,102 --> 00:22:55,702 and Salt Lake City Corporation is $234,648. 302 00:22:56,412 --> 00:23:01,212 So, with your approval, we will move forward 303 00:23:04,172 --> 00:23:08,000 in renewing this agreement for the upcoming school year, 304 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,180 and I am happy to answer any questions 305 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:13,618 if you have some for me. 306 00:23:13,687 --> 00:23:15,687 Yes? 307 00:23:16,692 --> 00:23:19,836 Beth Holbrook: What is the ridership again? 308 00:23:19,836 --> 00:23:27,360 I know it's very successful, I just wasn't sure what that was. 309 00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:47,924 Chair Mike Caldwell: I have a question on how 310 00:23:47,924 --> 00:23:50,314 the fares worked in the past. 311 00:23:50,314 --> 00:23:58,114 Do you get an extra cent for inflation, is it a flat cost, 312 00:23:58,446 --> 00:24:02,445 is it exactly the same as it was last year even though gas 313 00:24:02,445 --> 00:24:05,445 is $3 or more for diesel? 314 00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:14,132 Monica Howe: We have a presentation coming up right 315 00:24:14,132 --> 00:24:16,490 after that we are going to share a little bit, 316 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:17,812 but the short answer is we tie it back 317 00:24:17,812 --> 00:24:21,105 to the public fair rate, and usage. 318 00:24:21,105 --> 00:24:24,238 That's the two things we focus on. 319 00:24:24,238 --> 00:24:29,985 As our usage has increased over last year, the price has gone up 320 00:24:29,985 --> 00:24:32,516 and the public rate has stayed the same, 321 00:24:32,516 --> 00:24:35,988 so there's been no change on the rate which we are using 322 00:24:35,988 --> 00:24:38,988 to multiply against the usage. 323 00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:47,436 Speaker: We will be bringing a fare change 324 00:24:47,436 --> 00:24:52,956 proposal for next year's change day for 50 cent fare increase. 325 00:24:52,956 --> 00:24:57,756 I also have some people from community engagement 326 00:24:57,852 --> 00:24:59,852 in the room. 327 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,256 We have our fare increase discussion 328 00:25:02,256 --> 00:25:04,262 out in the public realm right now, 329 00:25:04,262 --> 00:25:06,172 so we are receiving comments. 330 00:25:06,172 --> 00:25:11,485 You are right, we have not had a fare increase in 13 years now. 331 00:25:11,485 --> 00:25:13,844 The price of fuel continues to increase, 332 00:25:13,844 --> 00:25:18,644 and so does the price of everything else . 333 00:25:27,915 --> 00:25:30,520 Chair Mike Caldwell: It's open for discussion. 334 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:36,218 Does anybody have any thoughts before I call for a vote? 335 00:25:36,218 --> 00:25:39,193 This sounds like we will get some more information 336 00:25:39,193 --> 00:25:43,140 in a little bit on that, I appreciate the work they're. 337 00:25:43,140 --> 00:25:46,632 I will go ahead to call for a motion to approve the education 338 00:25:46,632 --> 00:25:52,438 pass agreement with the Salt Lake School District, Salt Lake 339 00:25:52,438 --> 00:25:55,440 Education Foundation, and Salt Lake City Corporation. 340 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,440 We've got a first and a second, it is unanimous. 341 00:26:02,752 --> 00:26:09,332 Thank you very much for that , I know it's a dynamic 342 00:26:09,332 --> 00:26:14,732 and frequently moving target, so thank you very much. 343 00:26:15,417 --> 00:26:16,792 Jay Fox: It also has the interest 344 00:26:16,792 --> 00:26:18,334 of a couple of other school districts 345 00:26:18,334 --> 00:26:21,334 that we are talking to. 346 00:26:22,558 --> 00:26:24,725 Chair Mike Caldwell: Next we have another discussion 347 00:26:24,725 --> 00:26:28,252 item, the past program operating process for fair contracts 348 00:26:28,252 --> 00:26:30,252 with institutional partners. 349 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,583 Brian Reeves: As we were here the last meeting in July 350 00:26:49,583 --> 00:26:52,860 I gave you a primer on our institutional contracts 351 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:57,420 and the types of contracts that we partner peer as promised, 352 00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:00,120 we'll give you some more information, 353 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,432 talk about the past programs that we have 354 00:27:02,432 --> 00:27:05,548 and bring you into a little bit of the operations of how 355 00:27:05,548 --> 00:27:08,696 we execute those contracts and bring those to the fore. 356 00:27:08,696 --> 00:27:13,692 Today we are going to talk about sharing with you the Transit 357 00:27:13,692 --> 00:27:18,252 Commission and understanding the core responsibility of what you 358 00:27:18,252 --> 00:27:21,812 have the approval, just like what you did with the last one, 359 00:27:21,812 --> 00:27:25,532 but also to explore and consider some 360 00:27:25,532 --> 00:27:28,812 of the areas of operational efficiency in ways 361 00:27:28,812 --> 00:27:29,820 we can streamline. 362 00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:32,856 We will walk you through some of those we have achieved already, 363 00:27:32,856 --> 00:27:35,412 and also present the concept of looking 364 00:27:35,412 --> 00:27:37,187 at some of those opportunities. 365 00:27:37,187 --> 00:27:44,387 With that, we will look and see how the sausage is made. 366 00:27:51,732 --> 00:27:55,932 Our programs are uniquely structured to ensure 367 00:27:56,956 --> 00:28:00,612 that most organizations can participate in the program. 368 00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:04,132 We've got a lot of different variety of organizations that 369 00:28:04,132 --> 00:28:07,132 have different sizes, purpose, demographics, 370 00:28:07,746 --> 00:28:11,838 you can consider a large university of 30,000 students 371 00:28:11,838 --> 00:28:17,720 or even a group of ten employees being able to commute to work, 372 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,577 we try to provide that kind of solution with the various 373 00:28:20,577 --> 00:28:22,828 products and contracts that we have. 374 00:28:22,828 --> 00:28:26,558 Being able to expand access in our transit, 375 00:28:26,558 --> 00:28:28,958 increased ridership, also facilitate 376 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:31,878 community partnership. 377 00:28:31,878 --> 00:28:35,332 With these contracts we bring in the fiscal responsibility 378 00:28:35,332 --> 00:28:40,332 and accountability, and then the execution of the contract 379 00:28:40,332 --> 00:28:43,372 comes again to the Transit Commission of that approval 380 00:28:43,372 --> 00:28:46,812 process, whether we do it through a resolution parameter 381 00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:51,612 or through these individual contracts seeking your approval. 382 00:28:54,412 --> 00:28:57,662 Just like Salt Lake School District, 383 00:28:57,662 --> 00:29:02,325 following a similar path on how we approach. 384 00:29:02,325 --> 00:29:05,945 If you look in the bottom left hand corner, 385 00:29:05,945 --> 00:29:09,505 we start with an engaging new potential partner. 386 00:29:09,505 --> 00:29:13,764 We look at what is the design, what are they trying 387 00:29:13,764 --> 00:29:17,964 to accomplish for their constituency of people , 388 00:29:21,228 --> 00:29:24,292 we have different pricing guidance that we look at all 389 00:29:24,292 --> 00:29:27,432 based on the fair rate for each one of those that is the base 390 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:28,572 on all pricing. 391 00:29:28,572 --> 00:29:33,340 We look at the utilization or the flexibility 392 00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:36,164 for each of those products. 393 00:29:36,164 --> 00:29:40,964 That is actually set by the executive director. 394 00:29:45,452 --> 00:29:50,520 Once we share that program with the partner, 395 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,932 we then work with our contracts and developments, 396 00:29:53,932 --> 00:29:58,196 that partnership is with the Attorney General's office 397 00:29:58,196 --> 00:30:01,372 and there's a review process we look at internally 398 00:30:01,372 --> 00:30:05,472 and then share those comments back with a potential partner. 399 00:30:05,472 --> 00:30:08,932 We then come to an agreement to present 400 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:11,932 for approval, followed by execution 401 00:30:13,382 --> 00:30:15,484 and delivery of that service. 402 00:30:15,484 --> 00:30:18,988 So far we have done two contracts with you guys. 403 00:30:18,988 --> 00:30:21,988 Appreciate the success on that. 404 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,872 Not to scare you, we have almost 280 contracts. 405 00:30:27,222 --> 00:30:31,872 Don't worry, I'm not going to bring all 280 contracts to you 406 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:35,672 because we do have some streamlined process in place 407 00:30:35,672 --> 00:30:36,422 already. 408 00:30:36,422 --> 00:30:40,188 Those contracts cover across five different areas. 409 00:30:40,188 --> 00:30:43,182 You have your passes which target 410 00:30:43,182 --> 00:30:46,782 your students, institutional or eco, you 411 00:30:48,229 --> 00:30:52,972 can think of it like a commuter pass or a program 412 00:30:52,972 --> 00:30:54,740 for different types of employers, 413 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:57,740 we have about 91 contracts there. 414 00:30:58,265 --> 00:31:02,118 Human services supports your low income individuals 415 00:31:02,118 --> 00:31:04,592 and provides a subsidized approach where 416 00:31:04,592 --> 00:31:06,252 we collect revenue on that. 417 00:31:06,252 --> 00:31:10,423 Both purchase, you can think of a ticket as fare. 418 00:31:10,423 --> 00:31:16,572 If you go into an event, you can present your ticket 419 00:31:16,572 --> 00:31:19,572 with a contract of that. 420 00:31:20,438 --> 00:31:23,404 By having these contracts, we've been 421 00:31:23,404 --> 00:31:26,492 able to streamline with those institutional eco 422 00:31:26,492 --> 00:31:30,220 and human services so that we have kind of a resolution 423 00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:33,352 approach so we are not bombarding you and overwhelming 424 00:31:33,352 --> 00:31:36,932 you with the lots of contract approval process. 425 00:31:36,932 --> 00:31:41,132 I will pause for any questions there. 426 00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:50,305 Chris Gamvroulas: Is it an administrative process 427 00:31:50,305 --> 00:31:53,905 for most of those contracts, what 428 00:31:54,772 --> 00:31:57,772 are the parameters around that? 429 00:32:02,634 --> 00:32:04,592 Brian Reeves: We have a standard issue contract 430 00:32:04,592 --> 00:32:07,192 that we present to you with standardized pricing, 431 00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:11,512 and that framework then is what is presented, 432 00:32:11,512 --> 00:32:15,102 and that's what we've been using with our eco passes 433 00:32:15,102 --> 00:32:16,572 and human Services passes. 434 00:32:16,572 --> 00:32:20,152 With that in that framework, we use that approval 435 00:32:20,152 --> 00:32:24,452 and we can enter the name and execute those contracts directly 436 00:32:24,452 --> 00:32:26,452 with those. 437 00:32:33,252 --> 00:32:36,852 Everybody loves a framework, our framework 438 00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:43,380 is the public Transit District Act, 439 00:32:44,202 --> 00:32:47,372 that provides the legal requirements as far as 440 00:32:47,372 --> 00:32:51,352 how we approve these contracts and fair agreements, 441 00:32:51,352 --> 00:32:55,520 and also gives that authority to the Transit Commission. 442 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,156 Additionally we have our own fares policy 443 00:32:58,156 --> 00:33:02,356 that helps system and management and governance, 444 00:33:02,752 --> 00:33:05,785 and then with the execution of that 445 00:33:05,785 --> 00:33:09,124 we have the legal review which is again 446 00:33:09,124 --> 00:33:11,862 a partnership with the Attorney General's office 447 00:33:11,862 --> 00:33:15,156 and reporting and collecting of that fare revenue, 448 00:33:15,156 --> 00:33:17,268 we also look at effectiveness. 449 00:33:17,268 --> 00:33:20,372 When we look at a renewal, are we 450 00:33:20,372 --> 00:33:22,985 reaching the riders the partner intended, 451 00:33:22,985 --> 00:33:24,652 do they want to expand the program 452 00:33:24,652 --> 00:33:28,278 and be able to reach more riders or there 453 00:33:28,278 --> 00:33:32,732 could be budget constraints as well they're wanting to reduce. 454 00:33:32,732 --> 00:33:36,588 Being able to be flexible and responsive to that 455 00:33:36,588 --> 00:33:40,188 is the driving approach for that. 456 00:33:42,372 --> 00:33:46,572 I will pass it on to Monica. 457 00:33:49,515 --> 00:33:52,772 Monica Howe: Pricing strategy and program design 458 00:33:52,772 --> 00:33:57,572 is a key part of the process which 459 00:33:58,312 --> 00:34:02,522 is the second step in the slide you saw earlier with Brian. 460 00:34:02,522 --> 00:34:06,122 Our pricing framework offers flexible options 461 00:34:06,167 --> 00:34:09,148 that will meet the majority of our partner 462 00:34:09,148 --> 00:34:11,617 needs, we know the needs are not all the same 463 00:34:11,617 --> 00:34:16,684 but it is usage based fixed fee and product based models, 464 00:34:16,684 --> 00:34:20,452 and I have a little bit more on this slide after this 465 00:34:20,452 --> 00:34:23,892 but each option is supported by a consistent transparent 466 00:34:23,892 --> 00:34:28,520 methodology that ensures fairness, simplicity, and cost 467 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,342 predictability so we are consistent and transparent 468 00:34:31,342 --> 00:34:34,200 in the pricing methodology and this has definitely 469 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,300 improved year over year with an emphasis over the past few years 470 00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:38,516 on consistency. 471 00:34:38,516 --> 00:34:41,512 Gets a clear and repeatable calculation process, 472 00:34:41,512 --> 00:34:45,223 and we are fortunate to have a lot of data on the tap 473 00:34:45,223 --> 00:34:49,665 on tap off system, and also our automated counter system, 474 00:34:49,665 --> 00:34:54,372 we take all of that data and put a calculation process together 475 00:34:54,372 --> 00:34:58,232 and use that same one for every contract. 476 00:34:58,232 --> 00:35:02,892 It's easier for our partners to understand and validate 477 00:35:02,892 --> 00:35:08,292 our commuter program having four products to choose from. 478 00:35:09,132 --> 00:35:11,972 We could have 20, but then it really complicates things 479 00:35:11,972 --> 00:35:14,372 for partners to understand. 480 00:35:14,512 --> 00:35:19,332 We'd really like to keep simple, when we start out and apply 481 00:35:19,332 --> 00:35:22,892 the data to something, it's an element of the public fare 482 00:35:22,892 --> 00:35:26,920 structure whether it's a premium rate, a regular rate, 483 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,692 whether it's a group pass rate . 484 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,852 We make sure we are basing the pricing off 485 00:35:32,852 --> 00:35:35,692 of the fare structure, which is also 486 00:35:35,692 --> 00:35:38,692 important in fairness and simplicity 487 00:35:39,318 --> 00:35:42,572 pure predictable and sustainable partner costs, 488 00:35:42,572 --> 00:35:45,892 our partners definitely value for budgeting knowing how much 489 00:35:45,892 --> 00:35:48,825 they can expect to pay. 490 00:35:48,825 --> 00:35:50,836 There are estimates that are involved, 491 00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:56,484 and this allows them to be able to understand for a three year 492 00:35:56,484 --> 00:36:01,884 contract what they would expect to owe over time. 493 00:36:06,732 --> 00:36:11,532 Transit Commission approval The last column is important, 494 00:36:22,412 --> 00:36:24,462 the first column is different programs 495 00:36:24,462 --> 00:36:26,532 we've talked about with you. 496 00:36:26,532 --> 00:36:29,117 If they are approved individually, 497 00:36:29,117 --> 00:36:31,442 that's what we came here today to present 498 00:36:31,442 --> 00:36:33,878 to you was the program. 499 00:36:33,878 --> 00:36:37,478 If it's under resolution, then we 500 00:36:38,336 --> 00:36:40,752 have the framework within the resolution. 501 00:36:40,752 --> 00:36:44,572 For example, with our eco pass, what is approved 502 00:36:44,572 --> 00:36:46,760 is for standard programs. 503 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,505 Gets fixed pricing, we offer that to all of our partners. 504 00:36:50,505 --> 00:36:52,656 We find a program that fits their needs, 505 00:36:52,656 --> 00:36:56,814 and that's the program they are on for a year. 506 00:36:56,814 --> 00:37:01,152 Under that is a pay per trip, meaning some partners 507 00:37:01,152 --> 00:37:03,822 have chosen to pay based on trips that are taken, 508 00:37:03,822 --> 00:37:06,400 and there's a discount in their. 509 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,792 The eco resolution provides those guardrails 510 00:37:08,792 --> 00:37:11,908 and for example human service to your point earlier, 511 00:37:11,908 --> 00:37:14,308 we have two products. 512 00:37:14,452 --> 00:37:16,492 It's a day pass and a 30 day pass, 513 00:37:16,492 --> 00:37:20,118 and the fares resolution offers a 75% discount 514 00:37:20,118 --> 00:37:24,532 to those two products that are based on the public fare rate, 515 00:37:24,532 --> 00:37:27,180 provided the human service organization offers 516 00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:28,118 those for free. 517 00:37:28,118 --> 00:37:31,852 We have an application process, and we have a standard contract 518 00:37:31,852 --> 00:37:35,152 that everybody fills out, which is 519 00:37:35,152 --> 00:37:37,524 why the bulk of those contracts fall within eco 520 00:37:37,524 --> 00:37:41,284 and Human service, but it's simple to administer 521 00:37:41,284 --> 00:37:45,120 and we don't have a lot of one offs. 522 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,292 Best case scenario is that we do streamline commission approval, 523 00:37:49,292 --> 00:37:53,798 and we get it as efficient as we can. 524 00:37:53,798 --> 00:37:56,892 There is room for improvement in here, 525 00:37:56,892 --> 00:37:59,705 but a resolution and guardrails support 526 00:37:59,705 --> 00:38:03,905 our operational internal controls, which is nice. 527 00:38:04,622 --> 00:38:08,444 We don't have to fill up your agenda month after month, 528 00:38:08,444 --> 00:38:13,844 it's definitely a win win for all of us. 529 00:38:25,692 --> 00:38:28,650 Brian Reeves: There's a lot of similarities, 530 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:32,865 we've been working with the same pricing methodology. 531 00:38:33,550 --> 00:38:35,425 It's a lot easier to have a fair conversation 532 00:38:35,425 --> 00:38:38,612 when everybody's being given the same three options to choose 533 00:38:38,612 --> 00:38:44,120 from, that makes it much more straightforward and defensible, 534 00:38:45,172 --> 00:38:47,852 but the approach is meant to be that we are charging 535 00:38:47,852 --> 00:38:49,985 the fare for everybody who is writing 536 00:38:49,985 --> 00:38:52,385 to be charged appropriately. 537 00:38:52,732 --> 00:38:55,687 We've spent a lot of time working and going 538 00:38:55,687 --> 00:38:58,304 through that data to be able to get that, 539 00:38:58,304 --> 00:39:00,702 so one of the goals we do want to explore 540 00:39:00,702 --> 00:39:03,878 is figuring out how we get alignment on these past programs 541 00:39:03,878 --> 00:39:07,232 so we stay within the guidelines to make 542 00:39:07,232 --> 00:39:11,432 it easy for administrative use of it. 543 00:39:16,235 --> 00:39:19,684 Monica Howe: We do have a formula which we forecast usage 544 00:39:19,684 --> 00:39:22,684 based on prior year usage. 545 00:39:23,572 --> 00:39:26,265 Because usage has been increasing, 546 00:39:26,265 --> 00:39:28,796 that's what's changing the pricing of the contract, 547 00:39:28,796 --> 00:39:32,566 but we are using data to inform what ridership was 548 00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:35,758 and what we expect it to do, and in that instance 549 00:39:35,758 --> 00:39:41,158 it's a fixed contract price based on forecast use. 550 00:39:49,401 --> 00:39:51,142 Jay Fox: If we are looking for a tap 551 00:39:51,142 --> 00:39:53,972 based approach, which is one of the reasons we changed 552 00:39:53,972 --> 00:39:57,812 our approach using the automated passenger counts, 553 00:39:57,812 --> 00:40:00,492 that's made a big difference. 554 00:40:00,492 --> 00:40:02,792 Sometimes a little surprising to our partners, 555 00:40:02,792 --> 00:40:08,792 but at the same time, more reflective of actual uses. 556 00:40:11,352 --> 00:40:13,572 Monica Howe: There's a lot of little tricks 557 00:40:13,572 --> 00:40:15,812 that we are doing to come up with this forecast, 558 00:40:15,812 --> 00:40:18,412 but in my years worth of doing this, 559 00:40:18,412 --> 00:40:22,720 when we look back, a lot of times we've been very close, 560 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,720 so that's encouraging. 561 00:40:24,132 --> 00:40:27,324 Anything else on this slide, any questions 562 00:40:27,324 --> 00:40:30,924 or anything else I can cover? 563 00:40:36,372 --> 00:40:39,812 Obviously the key is to balance oversight 564 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:42,792 with timely administration of our contracts. 565 00:40:42,792 --> 00:40:47,272 To look for efficiency in doing our work, 566 00:40:47,272 --> 00:40:49,484 it's important our staff is able to provide 567 00:40:49,484 --> 00:40:51,612 daily support to our current partners 568 00:40:51,612 --> 00:40:54,388 and to also onboard new partners, 569 00:40:54,388 --> 00:40:56,305 but this table if we look at it just 570 00:40:56,305 --> 00:40:57,722 highlights a few of the challenges 571 00:40:57,722 --> 00:41:01,322 we face with individual contract approvals. 572 00:41:01,612 --> 00:41:05,252 For example, the first one schedule timing calendar 573 00:41:05,252 --> 00:41:08,162 requires a lot of advanced planning, 574 00:41:08,162 --> 00:41:11,120 this especially gets tricky in the fourth quarter 575 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,452 when we are trying to juggle multiple contracts ending 576 00:41:14,452 --> 00:41:17,353 and trying to get on calendars and making 577 00:41:17,353 --> 00:41:21,352 our partners aware of the deadlines that we have. 578 00:41:21,352 --> 00:41:24,952 The second one, renewal timing risks. 579 00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:28,898 Schedules may not align with the commission meeting dates, 580 00:41:28,898 --> 00:41:31,732 and one more I would like to highlight 581 00:41:31,732 --> 00:41:34,352 is the administrative task number four. 582 00:41:34,352 --> 00:41:38,167 This brings more work and staff responsibility 583 00:41:38,167 --> 00:41:42,120 in preparing the agenda items, documentation, memo, 584 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,292 having them go out for review. 585 00:41:44,292 --> 00:41:46,800 There's a lot of complexity and effort, 586 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,943 but we would definitely like to streamline as much as we can 587 00:41:49,943 --> 00:41:54,143 in this process, and simplify where possible. 588 00:41:54,792 --> 00:41:57,792 Any questions on this slide? 589 00:42:06,385 --> 00:42:10,120 Chris Gamvroulas: If we go to a July to June fiscal year, 590 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,432 does the fourth quarter being the end of the year 591 00:42:12,432 --> 00:42:16,320 resolve a lot of that backup? 592 00:42:19,558 --> 00:42:23,520 Monica Howe: No, only because our eco partners are on annual 593 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,309 and a lot of the schools do start August 1st, 594 00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:33,109 so we have a mixed bag of both , but it would not help. 595 00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:45,992 Brian Reeves: Based on what you heard today, 596 00:42:45,992 --> 00:42:48,612 if you are open to it, we would like 597 00:42:48,612 --> 00:42:50,765 to explore this and think about how 598 00:42:50,765 --> 00:42:54,120 we could refine some of the individual contracts 599 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,404 and fit within some parameters if you've 600 00:42:57,404 --> 00:42:59,156 been open to the discussion. 601 00:42:59,156 --> 00:43:03,642 We could come back and define where past programs were 602 00:43:03,642 --> 00:43:07,842 and share pricing methodology and product design. 603 00:43:17,456 --> 00:43:19,856 Chair Mike Caldwell: Yes 604 00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:23,370 . 605 00:43:25,958 --> 00:43:30,158 Brian Reeves: We will be coming back 606 00:43:36,265 --> 00:43:41,665 to you to update that, Along with eco passes. 607 00:43:57,608 --> 00:43:59,784 Sheldon Killpack: The more you have the ability 608 00:43:59,784 --> 00:44:03,384 to operate autonomously within the parameters, 609 00:44:06,448 --> 00:44:09,288 as long as we have the ability to look at them 610 00:44:09,288 --> 00:44:12,301 and they are approved then you have the ability to do your job, 611 00:44:12,301 --> 00:44:16,336 I like the ability of understanding what that is 612 00:44:16,336 --> 00:44:21,156 and what it means financially in terms of efficiency, 613 00:44:21,156 --> 00:44:24,138 and just look at that on an annual basis 614 00:44:24,138 --> 00:44:26,538 within the different categories. 615 00:44:45,488 --> 00:44:47,481 Carlos Braceras: You're not adding 616 00:44:47,481 --> 00:44:50,480 costs, I think when we start resulting 617 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,112 in running external bus trips or whatever, 618 00:44:53,112 --> 00:44:57,253 that's a cost that the commission needs to look at, 619 00:44:57,253 --> 00:45:00,200 but I think that's a point is this 620 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,000 is creating more efficiency in the administrative process, 621 00:45:10,288 --> 00:45:14,832 and when you approve these contracts at your level, 622 00:45:14,832 --> 00:45:20,232 it's not going to add cost to the operation. 623 00:45:22,473 --> 00:45:24,598 Brian Reeves: The aim is to stick within parameters 624 00:45:24,598 --> 00:45:27,508 and guidelines, because that is a known area that you 625 00:45:27,508 --> 00:45:28,388 can execute. 626 00:45:28,388 --> 00:45:31,980 We can be responsive to that. 627 00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:37,380 If somebody pushes and wants to be beyond that , 628 00:45:37,984 --> 00:45:45,358 time has a cost , that would be on a case by case basis then, 629 00:45:45,358 --> 00:45:49,910 but it would not be a cost additive, 630 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:52,910 but more of an efficiency. 631 00:45:57,767 --> 00:46:01,967 Chair Mike Caldwell: I appreciate that approach , 632 00:46:02,373 --> 00:46:07,173 keeps everybody out of a lot of trouble. 633 00:46:16,866 --> 00:46:20,188 Jeff Acerson: At some point we may reach capacity and then 634 00:46:20,188 --> 00:46:22,880 have to look at it a little bit differently, 635 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,288 but efficiency is what we are after. 636 00:46:28,196 --> 00:46:29,821 Chair Mike Caldwell: Great information, 637 00:46:29,821 --> 00:46:31,888 I really appreciate what you guys do, 638 00:46:31,888 --> 00:46:33,728 that sounds like an exhausting process. 639 00:46:33,728 --> 00:46:41,528 I will say for the record really quick , Jeff joined us via Zoom. 640 00:46:44,448 --> 00:46:46,628 We appreciate Jeff taking the time 641 00:46:46,628 --> 00:46:50,808 to join us, thank you very much. 642 00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:56,208 That will move us to proposed bylaws and revisions. 643 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,221 David Wilkins: Good afternoon . 644 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,720 I am an assistant attorney general 645 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,584 serving on the council for the Transit Authority. 646 00:47:24,584 --> 00:47:27,648 To recap the first meeting of the Transit Commission, 647 00:47:27,648 --> 00:47:31,168 you all enacted a basic set of bylaws 648 00:47:31,168 --> 00:47:33,208 that we had prepared from you. 649 00:47:33,208 --> 00:47:38,800 Since then we've gathered feedback from the commissioners 650 00:47:39,288 --> 00:47:42,878 , Zoom out even bigger, the district act empowers 651 00:47:42,878 --> 00:47:48,648 the commission to adopt bylaws not only for its agencies 652 00:47:48,648 --> 00:47:49,984 but for itself. 653 00:47:49,984 --> 00:47:53,656 We prepared a revised set of bylaws 654 00:47:53,656 --> 00:47:56,368 and we've identified the opportunities 655 00:47:56,368 --> 00:47:58,752 as an agency staff and legal counsel 656 00:47:58,752 --> 00:48:00,778 to make some minor consistency changes 657 00:48:00,778 --> 00:48:03,778 and edits to the document. 658 00:48:03,913 --> 00:48:06,574 There's actually one more that's kind of popped up, 659 00:48:06,574 --> 00:48:08,356 so that's what we are here to talk 660 00:48:08,356 --> 00:48:10,608 about today are those changes. 661 00:48:10,608 --> 00:48:13,906 Requested changes reflected in the revised document, 662 00:48:13,906 --> 00:48:17,506 we have Commissioner changes and additions, 663 00:48:19,288 --> 00:48:23,528 first is the process for commissioners and the city 664 00:48:23,528 --> 00:48:24,128 agenda. 665 00:48:24,128 --> 00:48:27,248 It requires three commissioners to make a request 666 00:48:27,248 --> 00:48:33,248 in writing through the chair, let me explain the thought 667 00:48:33,563 --> 00:48:35,948 process behind that because I kind of designed 668 00:48:35,948 --> 00:48:38,348 that a little bit. 669 00:48:38,423 --> 00:48:41,618 In the state of Utah, boards and commissions 670 00:48:41,618 --> 00:48:44,944 pretty much the chair has sole authority 671 00:48:44,944 --> 00:48:47,384 to put items on or off the agenda. 672 00:48:47,384 --> 00:48:51,128 That's true for state boards and commissions, that's 673 00:48:51,128 --> 00:48:53,874 true for county commissions, city councils, 674 00:48:53,874 --> 00:48:58,674 and in fact the former governance model here. 675 00:49:00,128 --> 00:49:04,730 If we'd left it like that, that would have left Commissioner 676 00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:06,194 Caldwell to be the sole arbiter of what 677 00:49:06,194 --> 00:49:08,384 goes on and off the agenda, we wanted 678 00:49:08,384 --> 00:49:13,221 to democratize a little bit but the other end of the pendulum 679 00:49:13,221 --> 00:49:16,264 swing is if you allow any commissioner to add 680 00:49:16,264 --> 00:49:18,124 any item at any time for any agenda, 681 00:49:18,124 --> 00:49:22,478 it could possibly lead to some kind of clog with your all's 682 00:49:22,478 --> 00:49:26,524 work, so I actually kind of thought about this a little bit, 683 00:49:26,524 --> 00:49:31,648 the best analogy I could think was the US Supreme Court 684 00:49:31,648 --> 00:49:33,432 because he's a recovering attorney. 685 00:49:33,432 --> 00:49:37,320 The US Supreme Court decides every case. 686 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,104 They could hear no cases submitted to them, 687 00:49:40,104 --> 00:49:44,328 they could hear every case submitted to them, 688 00:49:44,328 --> 00:49:50,168 and rather than let the chief justices pick what cases they 689 00:49:50,168 --> 00:49:55,596 hear -- to have the Supreme Court to agree to a case, 690 00:49:55,596 --> 00:49:58,465 you have to have four justices agree to hear it. 691 00:49:58,465 --> 00:50:00,552 It's not a majority, but it's enough for them 692 00:50:00,552 --> 00:50:02,152 to decide it's an important issue. 693 00:50:02,152 --> 00:50:06,585 The way I thought of it in this issue was if it's an issue that 694 00:50:06,585 --> 00:50:09,619 the commissioners want to bring to put on the agenda, 695 00:50:09,619 --> 00:50:14,648 they can at least get two other commissioners to agree to do 696 00:50:14,648 --> 00:50:16,648 that . 697 00:50:19,768 --> 00:50:24,598 Also the 21 days is just the larger staffing suggestion. 698 00:50:24,598 --> 00:50:27,423 As we've encountered as we are relearning this process 699 00:50:27,423 --> 00:50:31,314 with the new governance model, staffing at the time 700 00:50:31,314 --> 00:50:33,313 make sure that ends up on the agenda 701 00:50:33,313 --> 00:50:35,312 and also to maybe work with the commissioners 702 00:50:35,312 --> 00:50:39,168 to flesh out the request, because if an agenda 703 00:50:39,168 --> 00:50:42,480 item requires agency staff to be present to make sure 704 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,478 we can accommodate that request. 705 00:50:44,478 --> 00:50:48,788 The next changes the agenda items for the commissioners 706 00:50:48,788 --> 00:50:51,598 five calendar days before the meeting, 707 00:50:51,598 --> 00:50:55,198 quick statement no single commissioner can 708 00:50:56,113 --> 00:50:58,113 bind the commission. 709 00:50:58,841 --> 00:51:03,608 As commissioners, you all can really act here on the meeting 710 00:51:03,608 --> 00:51:10,208 but this just makes it clear, procedural removal of the vice 711 00:51:11,776 --> 00:51:15,376 chair method and also it's clarification 712 00:51:17,548 --> 00:51:19,948 of rights of decorum. 713 00:51:20,104 --> 00:51:23,568 We've made some staff requested changes 714 00:51:23,568 --> 00:51:27,488 for removing references to the Audit Committee 715 00:51:27,488 --> 00:51:30,538 and removing references to Commission policies. 716 00:51:30,538 --> 00:51:34,138 The only change audit with policies 717 00:51:34,648 --> 00:51:37,912 is that policy is kind of a charged word, 718 00:51:37,912 --> 00:51:42,668 the Commission made that process as operating procedures, 719 00:51:42,668 --> 00:51:48,680 but policies kind of confuse it with agency policy. 720 00:51:51,408 --> 00:51:55,608 Requested changes not reflected in revised document, 721 00:51:57,808 --> 00:52:01,141 there was a request to determine a particular set of rules 722 00:52:01,141 --> 00:52:02,400 for parliamentary procedure. 723 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,448 My feeling on that was that it may not 724 00:52:05,448 --> 00:52:08,352 need to be added to the bylaws. 725 00:52:08,352 --> 00:52:12,232 Robert's rules was kind of pitched as an idea, 726 00:52:12,232 --> 00:52:17,392 in 2026 Robert's rules is considered a little too formal. 727 00:52:17,392 --> 00:52:20,804 Would actually add the meetings because we 728 00:52:20,804 --> 00:52:27,650 would have to call questions and vote to decide on it. 729 00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:30,100 While it doesn't have a name, it's 730 00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:32,728 my recommendation as agency council the commission 731 00:52:32,728 --> 00:52:36,928 use the current more informal parliamentary procedure 732 00:52:37,474 --> 00:52:42,874 and also we didn't have any rules regarding extension, 733 00:52:44,528 --> 00:52:48,600 mainly because I wanted to bring it to your all's discussion 734 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:49,848 about that. 735 00:52:49,848 --> 00:52:54,408 The suggested change from commissioners over screening was 736 00:52:54,408 --> 00:52:57,699 an abstention Council is a no vote, 737 00:52:57,699 --> 00:53:06,990 we can kind of discuss that why I think it was a good idea . 738 00:53:12,174 --> 00:53:14,216 Any feedback at this meeting will be incorporated 739 00:53:14,216 --> 00:53:17,608 in a proposed final draft, there's potential renewal 740 00:53:17,608 --> 00:53:22,114 of the option at the September 23rd 2026 meeting. 741 00:53:22,114 --> 00:53:24,508 One additional staff change I'm going to make 742 00:53:24,508 --> 00:53:28,640 is right now it states the agency is also 743 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,216 the internal auditor. 744 00:53:29,216 --> 00:53:32,238 We're going to take away that requirement, 745 00:53:32,238 --> 00:53:34,168 it doesn't mean there won't be an ethics 746 00:53:34,168 --> 00:53:37,128 officer or internal auditor, but we are just not 747 00:53:37,128 --> 00:53:40,128 handcuffing ourselves or the agency 748 00:53:40,731 --> 00:53:42,744 that they have to be the same person. 749 00:53:42,744 --> 00:53:47,430 Depending on how you hire, the agency may not be the best fit 750 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:51,648 and it just seems kind of unnecessarily restrictive. 751 00:53:51,648 --> 00:53:57,688 September 23rd I won't be here , you will have an opportunity 752 00:53:57,688 --> 00:54:01,888 to look at hopefully a final draft , 753 00:54:03,830 --> 00:54:05,794 and then you all can adopt those. 754 00:54:05,794 --> 00:54:11,664 If you all want more changes, we can kick it over but I think we 755 00:54:11,664 --> 00:54:15,128 will be in a good place by September 23rd. 756 00:54:15,128 --> 00:54:17,528 Any questions, comments, additions? 757 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,708 Chris Gamvroulas: I did send out an email 758 00:54:28,708 --> 00:54:30,288 because I'd been thinking about this, 759 00:54:30,288 --> 00:54:34,114 I want to preface it by saying I didn't even know 760 00:54:34,114 --> 00:54:36,640 this job existed six weeks ago. 761 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:43,240 It's been thinking about this over the last couple of weeks. 762 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,968 I think there's going to be processes 763 00:54:48,968 --> 00:54:54,610 that will make sense and evolve and do those things. 764 00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:56,808 I also think the word of the day for me 765 00:54:56,808 --> 00:55:00,374 is grace, I think that because this is all the governance 766 00:55:00,374 --> 00:55:04,564 structure, because of the way the administration has been 767 00:55:04,564 --> 00:55:09,133 functioning, the new statute that we all just give grace 768 00:55:09,133 --> 00:55:13,468 to each other because we're all going to figure stuff out, 769 00:55:13,468 --> 00:55:15,468 that's my word. 770 00:55:16,858 --> 00:55:21,608 As I shared with you all in my email and notes 771 00:55:21,608 --> 00:55:26,296 on the public document, I do have concerns with the idea 772 00:55:26,296 --> 00:55:28,868 that the commissioner would be handcuffed 773 00:55:28,868 --> 00:55:32,960 outside of just talking to the commission chair 774 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,560 and having to lobby other commissioners. 775 00:55:36,954 --> 00:55:40,368 The analog I would give other than the Supreme Court 776 00:55:40,368 --> 00:55:45,488 is that this is a weak form of government. 777 00:55:45,488 --> 00:55:47,388 If you all think about that for a second, 778 00:55:47,388 --> 00:55:51,948 you have a strong city manager who runs the administration, 779 00:55:51,948 --> 00:55:57,268 and that person is the day to day operations person. 780 00:55:57,268 --> 00:56:02,818 You've got a mayor who makes the agendas in conjunction 781 00:56:02,818 --> 00:56:05,312 with others, but no council member 782 00:56:05,312 --> 00:56:09,184 would ever tolerate having to lobby two other council members 783 00:56:09,184 --> 00:56:11,448 to get something on the agenda. 784 00:56:11,448 --> 00:56:15,214 If it's outside of the four corners of the statute 785 00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:17,760 and what the commission has authority 786 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,560 for, and to the extent that it's appropriate, 787 00:56:23,448 --> 00:56:25,870 then I think the commissioners ought 788 00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:29,800 to be able to add items to an agenda 789 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,128 without going through an informal lobbying 790 00:56:32,128 --> 00:56:33,792 procedure on the phone. 791 00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:36,634 I absolutely agree with the 21 day thing, 792 00:56:36,634 --> 00:56:39,208 I don't think we should be dropping bombs 793 00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:45,208 three days before a meeting, I don't think that's appropriate. 794 00:56:45,355 --> 00:56:50,755 I've got some other thoughts, just some notes -- 795 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,913 under attendance, it says attend all meetings. 796 00:56:53,913 --> 00:56:57,513 Does that really mean all meetings? 797 00:56:58,724 --> 00:57:01,930 grace, we are trying to figure this out, 798 00:57:01,930 --> 00:57:07,880 but what if you miss a meeting, are you now automatically 799 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,261 disqualified as a commissioner? 800 00:57:09,261 --> 00:57:14,745 I did want to be able to explain in person in addition 801 00:57:14,745 --> 00:57:20,408 to my email that I do think the commission in order 802 00:57:20,408 --> 00:57:24,608 to properly have the oversight as contemplated 803 00:57:25,158 --> 00:57:30,558 by the current statute ought not to be constrained 804 00:57:32,294 --> 00:57:37,940 to have individual commissioners have the agenda items. 805 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,625 Chair Mike Caldwell: I was the one that 806 00:57:44,625 --> 00:57:46,868 didn't want to be the gatekeeper for those requests 807 00:57:46,868 --> 00:57:48,792 and everything else, I didn't want 808 00:57:48,792 --> 00:57:53,240 those to be the organizations that made it really political 809 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,938 and it didn't need to be. 810 00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:58,964 I was thinking through that, but I understand your point. 811 00:57:58,964 --> 00:58:02,564 I think the missing meetings, understanding 812 00:58:02,701 --> 00:58:05,440 we're all volunteers and we have robust lives outside 813 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,840 of this, that needs to be addressed as well. 814 00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:25,708 David Wilkins: The Senate president 815 00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:29,114 can fire you for any reason, but there's nothing in the statute 816 00:58:29,114 --> 00:58:30,288 if you miss a meeting. 817 00:58:30,288 --> 00:58:32,901 We can set an expectation it's every meeting, 818 00:58:32,901 --> 00:58:37,439 but I tend to think in worst case scenario being an attorney, 819 00:58:37,439 --> 00:58:40,644 and I always look at the potential bad things that 820 00:58:40,644 --> 00:58:41,638 can happen. 821 00:58:41,638 --> 00:58:46,376 If we start saying you can attend eight of the 12 meetings, 822 00:58:46,376 --> 00:58:48,368 then there's quorum issues. 823 00:58:48,368 --> 00:58:51,752 We can add a weasel word in there, if you will, 824 00:58:51,752 --> 00:58:53,761 the expectation is you attend all the meetings, 825 00:58:53,761 --> 00:58:55,928 but I don't really want to start going down the path 826 00:58:55,928 --> 00:58:58,160 that you only need to show up at six in the meeting 827 00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,870 a year or something like that, because then it 828 00:59:01,870 --> 00:59:06,487 becomes a problem because we may not have quorum. 829 00:59:21,754 --> 00:59:25,962 Chris Gamvroulas: You need a quorum to act. 830 00:59:25,962 --> 00:59:30,756 It's not if we had four people and we had a quorum we could 831 00:59:30,756 --> 00:59:36,848 act, but you would still need all four votes to pass something 832 00:59:36,848 --> 00:59:39,401 , it wouldn't be three out of four. 833 00:59:39,401 --> 00:59:44,201 Is that clear, maybe we could clarify that? 834 00:59:51,746 --> 00:59:54,920 David Wilkins: You would need that, you would 835 00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,208 need the meeting under the public meetings, the four of you 836 01:00:00,208 --> 01:00:02,624 can't all meet at a steakhouse afterwards, 837 01:00:02,624 --> 01:00:07,424 or I advise you not to do that. 838 01:00:10,688 --> 01:00:13,320 Chris Gamvroulas: We're all pretty familiar with what 839 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,368 that is, there are workarounds, you can meet in chance meetings, 840 01:00:18,368 --> 01:00:23,740 and social, but you are not acting, you can't act. 841 01:00:23,740 --> 01:00:28,796 I just mean in a meeting where there was just a quorum of four, 842 01:00:28,796 --> 01:00:34,196 you would still need four to vote to pass . 843 01:00:39,396 --> 01:00:45,996 Carlos Braceras: I didn't have the chance to see your email. 844 01:00:47,784 --> 01:00:52,504 I'm reacting, have grace, I haven't thought through this. 845 01:00:52,504 --> 01:00:55,485 I think the pathway to get something on the agenda, 846 01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:58,108 the easy way is a commissioner talking 847 01:00:58,108 --> 01:01:00,888 to the chair who's very reasonable, 848 01:01:00,888 --> 01:01:03,221 that's a very easy way to get it on. 849 01:01:03,221 --> 01:01:06,128 If it's something the chair didn't want to have on, 850 01:01:06,128 --> 01:01:11,928 then I think having the three member bar is reasonable. 851 01:01:11,928 --> 01:01:14,634 That's my reaction without really having much time to think 852 01:01:14,634 --> 01:01:16,488 about it, I will also make a point 853 01:01:16,488 --> 01:01:21,101 that I will probably be also the only non volunteer 854 01:01:21,101 --> 01:01:26,328 commissioner here seeing as I didn't have a choice. 855 01:01:26,328 --> 01:01:30,178 Giving best intent to the best of their ability 856 01:01:30,178 --> 01:01:34,978 to attend all commission meetings, good weasel words. 857 01:01:45,350 --> 01:01:47,143 Speaker: I appreciate Chris s remarks 858 01:01:47,143 --> 01:01:53,143 about giving each other grace, these rules are set down 859 01:01:54,534 --> 01:01:58,600 for the worst case scenario, which David mentioned, 860 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,122 which we have to anticipate, and that is maybe 861 01:02:02,122 --> 01:02:05,624 one of us going rogue or maybe the commissioner in the future, 862 01:02:05,624 --> 01:02:07,416 but there's always the possibility 863 01:02:07,416 --> 01:02:15,816 for someone to be kind of the dog in the manger, if you will, 864 01:02:15,973 --> 01:02:16,515 Commissioner. 865 01:02:16,515 --> 01:02:19,359 I think in terms of putting something on the agenda, 866 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,000 it needs to be more than one commissioner doing that 867 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,417 or we can really get bogged down. 868 01:02:24,417 --> 01:02:26,908 In any really well functioning commission like this, 869 01:02:26,908 --> 01:02:30,167 the chairs are willing to listen to a single commissioner. 870 01:02:30,167 --> 01:02:32,940 They're probably going to put it on just 871 01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:34,171 out of the appointments of caution, 872 01:02:34,171 --> 01:02:38,504 in my other political career I did that. 873 01:02:38,504 --> 01:02:40,308 If a council member wanted something, 874 01:02:40,308 --> 01:02:41,596 we could talk about it. 875 01:02:41,596 --> 01:02:43,928 But you can run into situations where 876 01:02:43,928 --> 01:02:47,528 commissioners making repeated or unreasonable requests 877 01:02:47,828 --> 01:02:50,747 the chair will agree to, so one commissioner should 878 01:02:50,747 --> 01:02:53,656 be able to said something in the agenda by themselves 879 01:02:53,656 --> 01:02:56,314 if the chair doesn't want to do it, 880 01:02:56,314 --> 01:03:00,787 and there needs to be some kind of safety valve. 881 01:03:00,787 --> 01:03:05,354 If it's important enough, I'm okay with it. 882 01:03:05,354 --> 01:03:10,754 The other thing I'd like to say is especially 883 01:03:11,808 --> 01:03:16,997 agreeing with council about not having some kind of provision 884 01:03:16,997 --> 01:03:22,997 with our bylaws about something that says with authority so 885 01:03:23,701 --> 01:03:29,881 that we all know if there is a problem in the process, 886 01:03:29,881 --> 01:03:32,128 we all know what the rules are in terms 887 01:03:32,128 --> 01:03:35,128 of trying to address that. 888 01:03:35,208 --> 01:03:39,544 Robert's Rules is a long standing well recognized 889 01:03:39,544 --> 01:03:41,544 tool for that. 890 01:03:41,752 --> 01:03:44,752 Most bodies don't function strictly 891 01:03:44,968 --> 01:03:47,240 according to Robert's rules. 892 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,640 A lot of us can't even remember Robert's rules 893 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,416 when we're up there, but there needs to be something. 894 01:03:52,416 --> 01:03:57,680 If somebody makes a competing motion to a resolution 895 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,400 or something we have, we need to have a process where 896 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,752 we can figure that out. 897 01:04:01,752 --> 01:04:05,381 Robert's rules are for adopting, I just 898 01:04:05,381 --> 01:04:09,514 think we need to have something in case things 899 01:04:09,514 --> 01:04:13,268 really go badly so the commissioner doesn't 900 01:04:13,268 --> 01:04:15,205 feel like they are frustrated. 901 01:04:15,205 --> 01:04:16,872 What's going to happen in that situation 902 01:04:16,872 --> 01:04:19,960 is we're going to run to the governor and the president 903 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,304 or the speaker, if we feel the process isn't right, 904 01:04:24,304 --> 01:04:26,261 it's going to look terrible to the public 905 01:04:26,261 --> 01:04:28,408 if we don't know what the rules are, 906 01:04:28,408 --> 01:04:31,808 so I think we need to adopt something like that. 907 01:04:31,808 --> 01:04:36,121 I also think some of the parliamentary rules cover this, 908 01:04:36,121 --> 01:04:40,181 if we have a couple commissioners abstaining, 909 01:04:40,181 --> 01:04:46,181 the question is what does that mean to the vote? 910 01:04:46,348 --> 01:04:48,693 I think we need to know what it means to abstain. 911 01:04:48,693 --> 01:04:52,688 Most bodies I've been involved in, and abstention is a no. 912 01:04:52,688 --> 01:04:56,304 Something can't pass unless it gets enough yes votes, 913 01:04:56,304 --> 01:04:59,585 if there are no votes or abstentions that count as no's, 914 01:04:59,585 --> 01:05:01,750 you have to get the yes votes. 915 01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:04,779 I think it sets us up for a problem later 916 01:05:04,779 --> 01:05:07,768 if we have an issue that's controversial, 917 01:05:07,768 --> 01:05:09,718 I can think of an issue that came 918 01:05:09,718 --> 01:05:11,240 before the regional council. 919 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,736 If I could have abstained, I would have done that, 920 01:05:15,736 --> 01:05:19,761 because nobody wanted to stick their head out on the issue. 921 01:05:19,761 --> 01:05:25,728 I think it makes sense to have that clarified so that 922 01:05:25,728 --> 01:05:26,924 in the future -- 923 01:05:26,924 --> 01:05:28,914 right now we have smooth sailing and are 924 01:05:28,914 --> 01:05:31,741 going to give each other grace, but if things don't work out, 925 01:05:31,741 --> 01:05:34,698 that's when we need rules like this. 926 01:05:34,698 --> 01:05:36,698 Anyway, that's my $0.02. 927 01:05:36,918 --> 01:05:39,430 I appreciate the revisions you've 928 01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:44,443 made, including the corrections that staff felt were necessary, 929 01:05:45,304 --> 01:05:49,504 and I agree with all of those. 930 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,692 Carlos Braceras: Jeff, I can see a commissioner wanting 931 01:05:57,692 --> 01:06:01,360 to abstain if there's a possible or even perceived 932 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,930 conflict of interest, which I hope would not be seen as a no. 933 01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:09,218 Could you see that situation possibly arising 934 01:06:09,218 --> 01:06:14,180 so not every abstention is considered a no? 935 01:06:15,368 --> 01:06:18,680 Jeff: A recusal is different from an abstention. 936 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,938 If you are accusing yourself from a conflict of interest, 937 01:06:21,938 --> 01:06:24,880 that's different from an abstention. 938 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,852 You're not voting at all, you would just 939 01:06:25,852 --> 01:06:28,796 say I abstain because I have a conflict. 940 01:06:28,796 --> 01:06:34,488 And the rules could cover that, in Utah law, it's kind of weird. 941 01:06:34,488 --> 01:06:38,336 We allow people to vote even when they 942 01:06:38,336 --> 01:06:39,992 declare a conflict of interest. 943 01:06:39,992 --> 01:06:43,128 I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. 944 01:06:43,128 --> 01:06:45,580 If someone has a conflict of interest 945 01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:49,780 I think they should be recusing themselves. 946 01:07:02,663 --> 01:07:05,592 David Wilkins: Utah law does not favor abstention or recusal 947 01:07:05,592 --> 01:07:10,128 in cases of conflict, Utah prefers you all to fairly 948 01:07:10,128 --> 01:07:15,528 and accurately fill out your conflict of interest forms , 949 01:07:15,802 --> 01:07:19,880 and as a result I don't advise people to do that, 950 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,128 although I can understand there situations. 951 01:07:22,128 --> 01:07:26,328 It's simply not contemplated in Utah law. 952 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,398 Other states that have different ethics laws 953 01:07:29,398 --> 01:07:33,808 are considered differently, but much like our legislature, 954 01:07:33,808 --> 01:07:36,952 you fairly and openly declare what your conflicts are, 955 01:07:36,952 --> 01:07:39,352 and then everybody knows. 956 01:07:42,848 --> 01:07:45,298 Sheldon Killpack: In the legislature 957 01:07:45,298 --> 01:07:47,708 you would declare you had a conflict of interest 958 01:07:47,708 --> 01:07:51,168 and then vote yes or no. 959 01:07:51,168 --> 01:07:54,168 You still declare the conflict. 960 01:07:55,336 --> 01:07:59,588 It's a tough one, because you are putting people 961 01:07:59,588 --> 01:08:02,480 in a tough spot in terms of the vote. 962 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,192 I was a little bit surprised with the questionnaire 963 01:08:04,192 --> 01:08:10,208 that I was asked my blood type, my height, my children's height. 964 01:08:10,208 --> 01:08:13,522 It was pretty thorough in terms of what it was asking you 965 01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:17,648 in terms of potential conflicts, especially for volunteer 966 01:08:17,648 --> 01:08:19,648 committee . 967 01:08:23,101 --> 01:08:28,480 It doesn't bother me to declare the conflict and to vote, 968 01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:32,832 I think sometimes you can have so many abstained that you 969 01:08:32,832 --> 01:08:34,880 hardly even do business. 970 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,773 That one's a tough one for me. 971 01:08:36,773 --> 01:08:39,648 I get both sides, it's just if we've already 972 01:08:39,648 --> 01:08:45,480 declared what our conflicts are, it's already out there. 973 01:08:47,648 --> 01:08:51,848 Jeff: If people abstain, something shouldn't pass. 974 01:08:57,603 --> 01:09:00,738 David Wilkins: If more than three people abstain, 975 01:09:00,738 --> 01:09:02,738 it wouldn't pass . 976 01:09:12,488 --> 01:09:16,880 Beth Holbrook: As I understood it , 977 01:09:19,716 --> 01:09:24,580 if you have quorum and let's say you have four people and you get 978 01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:27,848 a 3 to 1 vote, that's still considered a legal action. 979 01:09:27,848 --> 01:09:31,994 You don't have to have four people voting yes. 980 01:09:31,994 --> 01:09:34,394 Did I miss something? 981 01:09:35,632 --> 01:09:39,832 That's what I was understanding, I just 982 01:09:41,608 --> 01:09:45,208 wanted to clarify that piece first. 983 01:09:49,407 --> 01:09:53,430 David Wilkins: If you all want to have a majority -- 984 01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:57,843 my recommendation is that you have four people . 985 01:10:03,248 --> 01:10:09,848 this falls into what do you all want to do territory. 986 01:10:12,637 --> 01:10:16,808 we could do it where it is, you would need four yes votes 987 01:10:16,808 --> 01:10:21,800 or it could just be simple majority. 988 01:10:26,648 --> 01:10:31,960 Jeff: The problem with requiring four votes for anything is that 989 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,960 it restricts our voting business . 990 01:10:37,814 --> 01:10:41,216 The majority of the quorum is usually adequate. 991 01:10:41,216 --> 01:10:46,640 In terms of what we want to do, I think that's a much better 992 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,921 policy than having us be hamstrung and not being able 993 01:10:48,921 --> 01:10:54,321 to take action because we don't have people attending . 994 01:11:09,192 --> 01:11:11,234 David Wilkins: I'm having to reconceptualize this 995 01:11:11,234 --> 01:11:14,208 because we are going from a three member body 996 01:11:14,208 --> 01:11:17,208 to a four member body. 997 01:11:35,504 --> 01:11:37,504 [No audio] 998 01:11:38,648 --> 01:11:41,819 Sheldon Killpack: That would be my only concern on that, 999 01:11:41,819 --> 01:11:43,761 if you have a pretty weighty issue 1000 01:11:43,761 --> 01:11:46,400 and you've got half your commission here 1001 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,600 and it passes 2 to 1, I just don't 1002 01:11:53,418 --> 01:11:57,180 know if that would be wise. 1003 01:11:59,888 --> 01:12:03,914 Jeff: Three is not a quorum, it has to be four. 1004 01:12:03,914 --> 01:12:09,314 A 3 to 1 vote , in order to get business done, 1005 01:12:11,930 --> 01:12:12,822 we have to do that. 1006 01:12:12,822 --> 01:12:20,220 I don't know if we want score marks on every register either. 1007 01:12:24,728 --> 01:12:29,528 Chris Gamvroulas: That's why I've asked that question, 1008 01:12:29,548 --> 01:12:32,548 it's for commissions and councils 1009 01:12:32,828 --> 01:12:36,308 how I've seen them operate for the most part. 1010 01:12:36,308 --> 01:12:40,768 Even if there's four people, that's a quorum, 1011 01:12:40,768 --> 01:12:43,168 you need four votes. 1012 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:48,990 My opinion, this isn't something I will lay down, 1013 01:12:48,990 --> 01:12:51,130 I will vote on the bylaws that we all agree on, 1014 01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:53,608 but my position is I think you should 1015 01:12:53,608 --> 01:12:58,781 be able to get four votes for anything to pass, 1016 01:12:58,781 --> 01:13:02,368 and that's just from a process standpoint 1017 01:13:02,368 --> 01:13:06,568 I think that's important to do that. 1018 01:13:07,328 --> 01:13:09,690 Even though we are all volunteers, 1019 01:13:09,690 --> 01:13:12,232 we all still said that we would do it, 1020 01:13:12,232 --> 01:13:15,548 even if it's something small I think you should have 1021 01:13:15,548 --> 01:13:18,548 four votes to pass something. 1022 01:13:20,888 --> 01:13:25,288 I was just going to come back to my original point, 1023 01:13:25,288 --> 01:13:29,488 I thought what Jeff said was interesting, 1024 01:13:29,632 --> 01:13:33,563 and that would be maybe there's a bifurcation of getting 1025 01:13:33,563 --> 01:13:36,414 something on the agenda so a commissioner could ask 1026 01:13:36,414 --> 01:13:39,944 for something and if the chair denied it, 1027 01:13:39,944 --> 01:13:43,159 then you could get three people to put it on 1028 01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:49,539 and there would be a dual track or something like that. 1029 01:13:49,539 --> 01:13:50,878 David Wilkins: There's nothing that prevents you 1030 01:13:50,878 --> 01:13:52,505 from reaching out to Mike and saying 1031 01:13:52,505 --> 01:13:55,198 I want to look at this eco pass agreements on the agenda, 1032 01:13:55,198 --> 01:13:57,608 there's nothing that prevents you from doing that 1033 01:13:57,608 --> 01:14:04,208 but it provides an alternate track but we can clarify that. 1034 01:14:13,855 --> 01:14:20,480 Beth Holbrook: I have to say, I agree with Chris on that. 1035 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:25,883 I was actually going to bring that up as well . 1036 01:14:25,883 --> 01:14:29,456 I do think there should be a delineation in a structure that 1037 01:14:29,456 --> 01:14:31,421 allows that ability to navigate. 1038 01:14:31,421 --> 01:14:38,210 What if you reach out to somebody and they never respond? 1039 01:14:40,284 --> 01:14:43,354 I don't think that should go against what 1040 01:14:43,354 --> 01:14:46,344 another commissioner would like to do conceptually. 1041 01:14:46,344 --> 01:14:51,868 I do think that by delineating it as Chris outlined with it, 1042 01:14:51,868 --> 01:14:54,718 I think that that seems like a better strategy, 1043 01:14:54,718 --> 01:15:01,318 or I noticed that he said 2 or 3 in the commissioners notes. 1044 01:15:07,148 --> 01:15:10,748 If it's two, you don't necessarily 1045 01:15:10,808 --> 01:15:12,832 have to go to the chair first and then go back. 1046 01:15:12,832 --> 01:15:16,210 If it's the other way, I think going to the chair 1047 01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:19,232 and then not finding the ability to navigate 1048 01:15:19,232 --> 01:15:21,188 and then going back and getting three, 1049 01:15:21,188 --> 01:15:24,232 doing the 21 days, the whole thing, 1050 01:15:24,232 --> 01:15:28,280 I think that there does have to be a way 1051 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:32,828 to navigate because of timing and everything else, 1052 01:15:33,176 --> 01:15:40,768 it just seems a little bit more fluid to do it that way. 1053 01:15:40,768 --> 01:15:43,600 Chair Mike Caldwell: I will let the commissioners know, 1054 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,688 I was mayor for 12 years, I felt like if I had to veto something 1055 01:15:48,688 --> 01:15:52,528 then I failed to communicate and failed to work 1056 01:15:52,528 --> 01:15:54,800 with the interested party. 1057 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,312 That's my approach, and everybody is always 1058 01:15:56,312 --> 01:15:58,860 welcome to call me and we can talk through things. 1059 01:15:58,860 --> 01:16:04,260 I just didn't want to be the person -- 1060 01:16:09,368 --> 01:16:15,368 and I do believe that this is a fluid document. 1061 01:16:15,504 --> 01:16:17,748 As we address some of these things 1062 01:16:17,748 --> 01:16:23,748 we will make tweaks and make sure that it fits. 1063 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,798 My last comment was I've been to a bunch of political conventions 1064 01:16:33,798 --> 01:16:37,242 that follow strict Robert rules come I will never do that again. 1065 01:16:37,242 --> 01:16:39,865 I will do a modified version of Robert's Rules, 1066 01:16:39,865 --> 01:16:43,533 we are not going to be here for 12 or 14 hours 1067 01:16:43,533 --> 01:16:45,933 before we cast votes. 1068 01:17:00,184 --> 01:17:02,392 David Wilkins: There's an old episode of The Simpsons 1069 01:17:02,392 --> 01:17:05,278 where they do a focus group about what they want 1070 01:17:05,278 --> 01:17:10,678 to make as a cartoon for kids and they 1071 01:17:14,936 --> 01:17:18,712 get feedback the opposite and accidentally make something 1072 01:17:18,712 --> 01:17:20,280 that the kids like. 1073 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:21,740 We can test drive this for a few months 1074 01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:23,804 and if we need to make some tweaks, 1075 01:17:23,804 --> 01:17:26,804 hopefully we can revisit that. 1076 01:17:30,376 --> 01:17:33,224 Chair Mike Caldwell: Up next, we have 1077 01:17:33,224 --> 01:17:38,240 planning and external relations in the engagement process. 1078 01:17:54,217 --> 01:17:56,384 Nichol Bourdeaux: I am the chief officer of planning 1079 01:17:56,384 --> 01:17:57,998 and external Relations. 1080 01:17:57,998 --> 01:18:00,428 Today, we are just going to give you 1081 01:18:00,428 --> 01:18:02,421 a high level of some of the actions 1082 01:18:02,421 --> 01:18:04,821 that will be coming to you. 1083 01:18:04,821 --> 01:18:09,621 I want to introduce some of our staff. 1084 01:18:12,896 --> 01:18:17,880 Jaron Robertson: Director of planning here, quickly, just 1085 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,688 responsible for planning functions, customer experience 1086 01:18:21,848 --> 01:18:23,848 functions. 1087 01:18:26,102 --> 01:18:29,648 Megan Waters: I am the Community engagement Director over public 1088 01:18:29,648 --> 01:18:33,848 engagement process and hearing from our community . 1089 01:18:37,716 --> 01:18:39,341 Nichol Bourdeaux: We wanted to give you 1090 01:18:39,341 --> 01:18:41,820 a brief overview on some of the items 1091 01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:43,474 we had a brief action or resolution or opportunities 1092 01:18:43,474 --> 01:18:45,724 for engagement with stakeholders in the public. 1093 01:18:45,724 --> 01:18:49,468 This is just high level, we will come back with more information 1094 01:18:49,468 --> 01:18:51,648 as these items go through the process 1095 01:18:51,648 --> 01:18:54,925 and hopefully we'll make it on the agenda 1096 01:18:54,925 --> 01:18:56,808 so we can get these things adopted. 1097 01:18:56,808 --> 01:18:59,588 We will be talking about the planning process 1098 01:18:59,588 --> 01:19:04,988 and how service capital projects get through the process 1099 01:19:05,448 --> 01:19:06,904 of getting in service. 1100 01:19:06,904 --> 01:19:11,704 Our new long range transit plan and how 1101 01:19:12,819 --> 01:19:16,348 we work with title VI of the Civil Rights Act 1102 01:19:16,348 --> 01:19:19,540 and your role in that, also coming up 1103 01:19:19,540 --> 01:19:21,641 with the budget and public engagement around those pieces. 1104 01:19:21,641 --> 01:19:27,641 This is kind of our office relationship with our commission 1105 01:19:30,675 --> 01:19:31,175 . 1106 01:19:31,175 --> 01:19:34,936 starting with the planning journey, many of you 1107 01:19:34,936 --> 01:19:39,136 have worked with our regional transportation organizations, 1108 01:19:39,248 --> 01:19:42,910 but this is just a linear line of what we do in planning, 1109 01:19:42,910 --> 01:19:49,510 and some of the processes before change day, is our service. 1110 01:19:51,608 --> 01:19:53,768 For regional transportation plans 1111 01:19:53,768 --> 01:19:58,158 is where we get the project moving forward, 1112 01:19:58,158 --> 01:20:04,158 the long range transit plan is the 5 to 30 year horizon. 1113 01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:09,120 We are right in the middle of beginning one, 1114 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,894 we will talk a little bit about that right now, 1115 01:20:11,894 --> 01:20:14,904 but that looks at local and regional service. 1116 01:20:14,904 --> 01:20:20,390 And then you have our budget and our two year service plan 1117 01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:24,800 where we can filter those down into operational costs, 1118 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,608 operationalizing these pieces, and then bringing 1119 01:20:27,708 --> 01:20:32,336 that to our operations team beginning the budget 1120 01:20:32,336 --> 01:20:33,944 process as you move forward. 1121 01:20:33,944 --> 01:20:37,176 As you move into another aspect that we 1122 01:20:37,176 --> 01:20:42,576 call our title six, and public engagement for resolution, 1123 01:20:43,470 --> 01:20:47,118 and you all will see that further in the year, 1124 01:20:47,118 --> 01:20:49,374 and then again changed a. 1125 01:20:49,374 --> 01:20:53,374 That's just kind of how we move through putting in the service 1126 01:20:53,374 --> 01:20:55,374 industry . 1127 01:20:58,661 --> 01:21:04,610 Kicking off UTA moves 25, our strategic long range plan-- 1128 01:21:15,780 --> 01:21:17,780 UTA Moves 2055. 1129 01:21:18,988 --> 01:21:22,208 you can see all of our modes up there, 1130 01:21:22,208 --> 01:21:28,994 innovative mobility zones, we do on demand and that is what falls 1131 01:21:28,994 --> 01:21:32,594 into that area as a mode . 1132 01:21:34,472 --> 01:21:37,968 All that local connectivity in our regional service 1133 01:21:37,968 --> 01:21:39,901 combined go in this plan. 1134 01:21:39,901 --> 01:21:41,970 From there we look at our ten year capital plan, 1135 01:21:41,970 --> 01:21:46,170 this is where you look at infrastructure, 1136 01:21:46,568 --> 01:21:49,954 phase investment, how we get those capital projects built 1137 01:21:49,954 --> 01:21:53,188 and the costing long term financial analysis 1138 01:21:53,188 --> 01:21:56,601 and the capital investments that are needed. 1139 01:21:56,601 --> 01:22:01,320 Part of this plan is to look at alignment 1140 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,320 with other regional transportation plans. 1141 01:22:07,968 --> 01:22:12,456 I wouldn't forget the plans be aligned with, 1142 01:22:12,456 --> 01:22:16,188 what that comes into is Utah Unified Transportation Plan 1143 01:22:16,188 --> 01:22:20,388 where we have our information along with 1144 01:22:20,668 --> 01:22:22,781 the other transportation agencies in the state 1145 01:22:22,781 --> 01:22:26,549 and then we have other plans like the ten year capital plan, 1146 01:22:26,549 --> 01:22:30,541 our vehicle plan, and other plans that help 1147 01:22:30,541 --> 01:22:32,904 inform as well as vice versa. 1148 01:22:32,904 --> 01:22:35,760 This drives our goals, this is what 1149 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,108 we communicate as our long vision to the public, 1150 01:22:39,108 --> 01:22:42,800 and it builds that consistency among all the 1151 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,208 plans out there in the transportation world. 1152 01:22:47,528 --> 01:22:50,888 We are right now in that planning process, 1153 01:22:50,888 --> 01:22:54,368 part of that is the collaboration. 1154 01:22:54,368 --> 01:22:57,601 We have eight workshops that will be coming, 1155 01:22:57,601 --> 01:23:00,308 this is an avenue we would really like all of you 1156 01:23:00,308 --> 01:23:02,568 to participate in, we are out there 1157 01:23:02,568 --> 01:23:04,358 with the cities and our communities 1158 01:23:04,358 --> 01:23:09,480 talking about what our big capital process is, along 1159 01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:12,540 with our local service needs. 1160 01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:16,854 We also have mag coming in the winter . 1161 01:23:23,728 --> 01:23:28,248 It's looking at the end of this year and first quarter, 1162 01:23:28,248 --> 01:23:34,638 and then outreach around the plan, we will be in coordination 1163 01:23:34,638 --> 01:23:39,404 but moving to another phase in the spring of 2027. 1164 01:23:39,404 --> 01:23:44,368 Just so you know, this is coming to you for adoption 1165 01:23:44,368 --> 01:23:47,368 hopefully at the end of 2027. 1166 01:23:48,988 --> 01:23:52,928 I'm going to move on, that is our long range and service 1167 01:23:52,928 --> 01:23:57,336 planning piece that you all will participate and work with us 1168 01:23:57,336 --> 01:23:58,670 and we will work with you on. 1169 01:23:58,670 --> 01:24:02,688 Now we will move to title six of the Civil Rights Act, 1170 01:24:02,688 --> 01:24:05,480 this is the federal rule we have to evaluate 1171 01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:09,840 our service in the lens of the Civil Rights Act. 1172 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:15,221 We have attached two documents to your program today, 1173 01:24:15,221 --> 01:24:18,848 one is the long range transit plan. 1174 01:24:18,848 --> 01:24:23,480 Also, the title six program that was 1175 01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:26,288 adopted in spring of this year. 1176 01:24:26,288 --> 01:24:29,540 That's the program in which we put parameters 1177 01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:32,608 on how we look at the service going forward 1178 01:24:32,608 --> 01:24:37,824 to make sure that we take care of the protected classes. 1179 01:24:37,824 --> 01:24:42,368 What happens is our major service changes are looked at, 1180 01:24:42,368 --> 01:24:45,481 and we evaluate them in the lens of our program 1181 01:24:45,481 --> 01:24:47,701 as well as any fare change. 1182 01:24:47,701 --> 01:24:51,311 We're going to be talking about fare changes, 1183 01:24:51,311 --> 01:24:52,894 then we will go through this analysis. 1184 01:24:52,894 --> 01:24:57,848 Part of that is a public input process and public engagement. 1185 01:24:57,848 --> 01:25:03,848 Right now we have public engagement on the fare increase 1186 01:25:13,728 --> 01:25:14,228 . 1187 01:25:14,228 --> 01:25:17,680 After comment, we will come back and see 1188 01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,254 if there's any modifications that need to be made 1189 01:25:19,254 --> 01:25:21,748 and then we will come back to the Commission for adoption 1190 01:25:21,748 --> 01:25:24,748 by resolution for that evaluation. 1191 01:25:24,794 --> 01:25:26,794 Any questions? 1192 01:25:28,128 --> 01:25:31,956 Budget, this is another area where we do community engagement 1193 01:25:31,956 --> 01:25:34,108 and we work with our stakeholders. 1194 01:25:34,108 --> 01:25:37,984 We will be out for public comment in September 1195 01:25:37,984 --> 01:25:42,761 with the new stump budget, with the tentative budget coming out. 1196 01:25:42,761 --> 01:25:46,692 We will put it out to the community. 1197 01:25:46,692 --> 01:25:53,892 You all are looking at when the public hearing will be, TBD . 1198 01:25:55,230 --> 01:25:56,856 We will have information from the Commission 1199 01:25:56,856 --> 01:26:03,456 on what we've heard as you adopt the stump budget for 2027. 1200 01:26:04,488 --> 01:26:08,688 Here's just a quick overview of what 1201 01:26:08,741 --> 01:26:11,393 we are talking about where you're engaged, 1202 01:26:11,393 --> 01:26:17,592 where you will consider and what comes to adoption to this body. 1203 01:26:17,592 --> 01:26:21,800 We hope you will participate in the stakeholder 1204 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,808 meetings and workshops, as well as our workshops 1205 01:26:28,432 --> 01:26:31,120 in the spring of next year. 1206 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,541 We will be considering the input for all of these processes 1207 01:26:35,541 --> 01:26:39,221 as you make decisions on the title six resolution budget 1208 01:26:39,221 --> 01:26:41,973 adoption, and then the adoption of the UTA plan 1209 01:26:41,973 --> 01:26:43,656 at the end of the year. 1210 01:26:43,656 --> 01:26:46,904 That was just an overview quickly, 1211 01:26:46,904 --> 01:26:50,536 my team is here for any questions for the details 1212 01:26:50,536 --> 01:26:52,936 that I don't know. 1213 01:26:59,888 --> 01:27:03,488 You can give me 1 or 2, Commissioner. 1214 01:27:11,408 --> 01:27:16,000 We try to give you an overview, but if you 1215 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,639 skim through the documents it will help. 1216 01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:22,248 I think one is like 300 pages, but I 1217 01:27:22,248 --> 01:27:25,368 think it's just a good idea to look at them high level so you 1218 01:27:25,368 --> 01:27:27,660 at least know what they are, and then 1219 01:27:27,660 --> 01:27:29,108 we will be coming back to you during this process 1220 01:27:29,108 --> 01:27:31,208 to give you more information and not 1221 01:27:31,208 --> 01:27:37,208 dump it all at the table for you, thank you. 1222 01:27:41,288 --> 01:27:44,310 We will leave the current plans here 1223 01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:49,710 for you to pick up if you are interested. 1224 01:27:53,792 --> 01:27:57,992 Chair Mike Caldwell: We are running behind , 1225 01:27:58,642 --> 01:28:05,242 if you can keep that in mind, that would be great. 1226 01:28:07,246 --> 01:28:10,246 Viola Miller: Chief financial officer, 1227 01:28:13,658 --> 01:28:15,658 good afternoon commissioners. 1228 01:28:20,857 --> 01:28:23,480 Jay Fox: The purpose of this financial information 1229 01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,271 is we're going to bring the budget to you 1230 01:28:26,271 --> 01:28:28,238 at the next meeting and it's to introduce 1231 01:28:28,238 --> 01:28:30,701 how we are looking at our finances long term, 1232 01:28:30,701 --> 01:28:34,317 because that affects a lot of our decisions 1233 01:28:34,317 --> 01:28:37,172 and particularly the decisions around whether to add 1234 01:28:37,172 --> 01:28:39,768 local service and how to engage with our communities. 1235 01:28:39,768 --> 01:28:46,968 We had a lot of work last year with our previous board , 1236 01:28:50,144 --> 01:28:52,208 some sobering moments as part of that. 1237 01:28:52,208 --> 01:28:56,816 You will see some of the work we did regarding our forecast, 1238 01:28:56,816 --> 01:29:01,541 I want to thank Carlos as well as Andrew who worked part 1239 01:29:01,541 --> 01:29:05,741 of the process of reviewing that material . 1240 01:29:07,468 --> 01:29:10,688 You're going to find out what is the long range forecast, what 1241 01:29:10,688 --> 01:29:12,848 does that look like currently quacks 1242 01:29:12,848 --> 01:29:16,932 it's really more of a takeaway for you as opposed to a digging 1243 01:29:16,932 --> 01:29:17,432 in. 1244 01:29:17,432 --> 01:29:20,458 Our revenue history, which is really important, 1245 01:29:20,458 --> 01:29:24,384 Senate Bill 136 in 2018 had a particular vision 1246 01:29:24,384 --> 01:29:26,136 of where we were going financially 1247 01:29:26,136 --> 01:29:31,789 on the capital service delivery, so I want to talk about that. 1248 01:29:31,789 --> 01:29:37,388 How we've done what we've done, recently through the work 1249 01:29:37,388 --> 01:29:39,576 I was talking about, and then you 1250 01:29:39,576 --> 01:29:42,576 will hear a presentation ensuring 1251 01:29:45,228 --> 01:29:51,228 the huge capital investment is going to be a success. 1252 01:29:53,816 --> 01:29:57,968 Viola Miller: I will make this as quick as possible. 1253 01:29:57,968 --> 01:30:01,756 This is our chart, it is our current forecast, 1254 01:30:01,756 --> 01:30:06,556 looking at the next ten years starting in 2027. 1255 01:30:06,904 --> 01:30:10,368 As we bring the stump budget to you next month, 1256 01:30:10,368 --> 01:30:13,816 we will be talking about the first six months of the calendar 1257 01:30:13,816 --> 01:30:18,140 year and then we will shift to the fiscal year that starts July 1258 01:30:18,140 --> 01:30:18,640 1st. 1259 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:23,144 This stays with the calendar year for now, what this mainly 1260 01:30:23,144 --> 01:30:25,739 shows, I would like to point out, 1261 01:30:25,739 --> 01:30:30,825 is that our last positive ending balance is in 2030, 1262 01:30:30,825 --> 01:30:36,825 and we start to have negative results with an ending 1263 01:30:38,130 --> 01:30:40,130 balance starting 2031. 1264 01:30:43,423 --> 01:30:44,798 Jay Fox: We would have to address 1265 01:30:44,798 --> 01:30:48,880 that beforehand, but just as we look at where we are. 1266 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,188 Also if you see at the top right, 1267 01:30:52,188 --> 01:30:56,388 this includes service ads in Ogden 56 West, 1268 01:30:58,550 --> 01:31:03,350 which is a project we've been working on. 1269 01:31:09,728 --> 01:31:15,728 also front runner two X service, which continues to evolve. 1270 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,318 Viola Miller: What I want to point out here 1271 01:31:20,318 --> 01:31:25,493 is when you look at the eye chart, a large part of it 1272 01:31:25,493 --> 01:31:30,641 is we had a major sales tax forecast change in 2023, 1273 01:31:30,641 --> 01:31:36,641 and it was a $730 million decrease over a 20 year period. 1274 01:31:39,784 --> 01:31:45,184 We are starting to see that impact starting in 2026, 1275 01:31:45,948 --> 01:31:53,748 you can see where the growth gap in the pink started to grow , 1276 01:31:56,754 --> 01:31:58,608 and that runs through 2026. 1277 01:31:58,608 --> 01:32:01,648 If we are looking at this from the perspective of the ten 1278 01:32:01,648 --> 01:32:07,480 years, we're going to have that decrease show up, 1279 01:32:07,872 --> 01:32:13,881 and what I talked to Jay about is what if we had gotten 1280 01:32:13,881 --> 01:32:18,681 the fifth fifth according to the original plans ? 1281 01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:28,888 If the money had come as we had supposed it would, 1282 01:32:28,888 --> 01:32:32,488 then we would have gotten $1.4 billion 1283 01:32:33,408 --> 01:32:36,920 and we would have been able to offset the decrease 1284 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,360 from the sales tax revenue change, 1285 01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:44,700 and we would be 640 million to the good instead 1286 01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:50,670 of at the end of 2036, instead of 198 million in the negative. 1287 01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:56,648 Again, this is just a forecast. 1288 01:33:04,568 --> 01:33:07,248 Chris Gamvroulas: It seems like what 1289 01:33:07,248 --> 01:33:12,168 I heard you say was that if we had gotten the money in 2019, 1290 01:33:12,168 --> 01:33:16,368 but I don't know what that means. 1291 01:33:16,941 --> 01:33:19,941 I didn't understand that sentence, 1292 01:33:20,980 --> 01:33:22,828 so if you could help me. 1293 01:33:22,828 --> 01:33:26,428 What happened in 2019 to change I 1294 01:33:30,797 --> 01:33:32,214 would like just some clarification 1295 01:33:32,214 --> 01:33:34,614 on what that meant. 1296 01:33:38,690 --> 01:33:42,869 Jay Fox: In 2018, Senate Bill 136 created the authority 1297 01:33:43,976 --> 01:33:48,818 for a county to post local options for transportation sales 1298 01:33:48,818 --> 01:33:53,180 tax, the fifth fifth would have been 1299 01:33:53,668 --> 01:33:57,520 additional money for service delivery and operations. 1300 01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:02,880 At the same time, the transit Transportation Investment Fund 1301 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:04,514 was created with the idea of looking 1302 01:34:04,514 --> 01:34:09,388 for this being a capital investment fund to grow transit. 1303 01:34:09,388 --> 01:34:12,988 You need those service delivery funds 1304 01:34:13,258 --> 01:34:16,560 because sometimes you're not adding a lot of capital 1305 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,988 from additional local, but you still need a service delivery 1306 01:34:19,988 --> 01:34:21,768 cost taken care of. 1307 01:34:21,768 --> 01:34:26,754 Both of those were authorized, the fifth fifth was 0.2%. 1308 01:34:26,754 --> 01:34:32,736 When we look at, since that time, the only funding 1309 01:34:32,736 --> 01:34:38,608 that we've ever gotten from this for the most part 1310 01:34:38,608 --> 01:34:42,868 has been in Utah County, they implemented it 1311 01:34:42,868 --> 01:34:48,952 fairly early and just recently for this event in Utah County, 1312 01:34:48,952 --> 01:34:53,320 they funded out of those funds which they 1313 01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,200 hold the additional service. 1314 01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:01,800 Apart from that, we have not seen any funding from that 1315 01:35:01,968 --> 01:35:07,368 anticipated source of revenue which was sponsored by Senator 1316 01:35:08,368 --> 01:35:12,568 Harper and then representative Mike Schultz , again, 1317 01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,840 looking forward and thinking long term about the transit 1318 01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:18,584 needs. 1319 01:35:18,584 --> 01:35:21,584 I hope that helps clarify. 1320 01:35:23,432 --> 01:35:26,900 Viola Miller: The two were supposed to work in tandem, 1321 01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:27,673 last month when I brought that example 1322 01:35:27,673 --> 01:35:30,488 to you of how we have these projects that come off 1323 01:35:30,488 --> 01:35:32,872 of the building of capital development, 1324 01:35:32,872 --> 01:35:35,868 and then we go into operating and maintaining them, 1325 01:35:35,868 --> 01:35:39,564 that's what these two funding streams were supposed to do. 1326 01:35:39,564 --> 01:35:43,480 It's supposed to provide funding for the project 1327 01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:47,614 to create, deliver, and then the fifth fifth 1328 01:35:47,614 --> 01:35:49,674 was supposed to provide funding to operate. 1329 01:35:49,674 --> 01:35:53,874 We have continued to do those projects, 1330 01:35:53,925 --> 01:35:58,400 because it has created those projects which 1331 01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,400 have been delivered and we've been running the services, 1332 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,988 but we still have not seen the funding that was supposed 1333 01:36:03,988 --> 01:36:06,388 to support the operating. 1334 01:36:32,648 --> 01:36:35,541 Chris Gamvroulas: Is it because money has been reallocated 1335 01:36:35,541 --> 01:36:38,808 through the legislative process and he 1336 01:36:38,808 --> 01:36:45,433 needs to take money out of that account so it's not going there? 1337 01:36:45,433 --> 01:36:47,861 Viola Miller: It's not that the funds have been removed 1338 01:36:47,861 --> 01:36:50,280 from the account, the funds have been directed 1339 01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,880 so they're not coming to UTA. 1340 01:36:58,319 --> 01:37:00,274 Jay Fox: Salt Lake County has not 1341 01:37:00,274 --> 01:37:03,274 implemented that, following legislative changes, 1342 01:37:03,728 --> 01:37:08,912 that money was moved early on to the county highway fund. 1343 01:37:08,912 --> 01:37:14,912 There has been movement within what the fifth fifth was 1344 01:37:15,568 --> 01:37:21,568 originally conceived as , away from the point two which was 1345 01:37:22,701 --> 01:37:25,701 going to go to transit. 1346 01:37:28,648 --> 01:37:32,448 Viola Miller: Just to clarify, there's still funds out there 1347 01:37:32,448 --> 01:37:34,848 that are being used. 1348 01:37:37,181 --> 01:37:39,180 Speaker: A quick point of clarification, 1349 01:37:39,180 --> 01:37:46,218 on your slide you have point one in parentheses, did you mean .2? 1350 01:37:56,769 --> 01:38:02,769 it is legislatively authorized the intent for the local option 1351 01:38:05,528 --> 01:38:10,328 has more flexible uses than what was originally 1352 01:38:11,568 --> 01:38:15,768 contemplated with the forecast of that money. 1353 01:38:33,536 --> 01:38:37,136 Viola Miller: Talking about the progress 1354 01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,728 that we made to get to our current forecast, 1355 01:38:43,728 --> 01:38:46,728 we've had progress and challenges. 1356 01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:54,248 We've increased our fair revenue by 20 million, 1357 01:38:56,608 --> 01:38:59,608 decreased capital expense by 240 million, 1358 01:39:00,558 --> 01:39:04,158 decreased debt service expense by 250 million, 1359 01:39:05,128 --> 01:39:08,728 these are over the time periods but it's 1360 01:39:08,728 --> 01:39:14,188 the work we did to refinance our debt and restructure it. 1361 01:39:14,188 --> 01:39:17,216 Also, we've been the benefit of 280 million 1362 01:39:17,216 --> 01:39:19,780 for investment revenue. 1363 01:39:19,780 --> 01:39:23,796 Of course, that's been up and down in the last few years, 1364 01:39:23,796 --> 01:39:25,712 but good overall progress here. 1365 01:39:25,712 --> 01:39:29,600 Some of the challenges have been the $730 million 1366 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,758 reduction in the sales tax revenue forecast. 1367 01:39:33,758 --> 01:39:37,958 We've increased our operating expenses by $120 million, 1368 01:39:38,424 --> 01:39:42,400 and we have also received a decrease in our state 1369 01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,440 and federal capital revenue . 1370 01:39:53,449 --> 01:39:55,708 Jay Fox: A significant portion of those costs 1371 01:39:55,708 --> 01:39:56,948 is adding a service. 1372 01:39:56,948 --> 01:39:59,744 We work closely with the previous board 1373 01:39:59,744 --> 01:40:02,328 on rolling back our many commitments regarding 1374 01:40:02,328 --> 01:40:06,981 local service because we were going to fall 1375 01:40:06,981 --> 01:40:09,981 into a much larger hole. 1376 01:40:12,765 --> 01:40:15,960 Viola Miller: This slide shows the progress 1377 01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,801 in the last forecast or financial plan we had, 1378 01:40:19,801 --> 01:40:22,801 how much work we've done. 1379 01:40:23,368 --> 01:40:27,514 The ending balance is currently what you saw, 1380 01:40:27,514 --> 01:40:29,914 we are positive through 2030. 1381 01:40:31,208 --> 01:40:35,301 But before that, back in July of last year, 1382 01:40:35,301 --> 01:40:38,540 we were very very in the red. 1383 01:40:38,540 --> 01:40:42,888 But we did a lot of work, as you can see from all the progress 1384 01:40:42,888 --> 01:40:46,168 that we made in spite of the challenges, 1385 01:40:46,168 --> 01:40:48,464 we really work through with our board 1386 01:40:48,464 --> 01:40:51,354 to institute some new financial strategies, 1387 01:40:51,354 --> 01:40:55,328 and again to work on the debt reduction and restructuring 1388 01:40:55,328 --> 01:40:58,328 and refinancing of our debt. 1389 01:40:58,888 --> 01:41:01,000 That ending balance Delta really just 1390 01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,728 shows how much work was done, it's not where we ended up. 1391 01:41:04,728 --> 01:41:07,688 Where we ended up is our current ending balance, 1392 01:41:07,688 --> 01:41:14,888 but we were far worse off a little over a year ago. 1393 01:41:16,947 --> 01:41:18,864 Jay Fox: It represents a more realistic vision 1394 01:41:18,864 --> 01:41:24,199 of what local service we were able to make commitments to. 1395 01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:28,741 Viola Miller: Last month, I told you a story about the birthday 1396 01:41:28,741 --> 01:41:33,128 card, and try to give you a representation of how 1397 01:41:33,128 --> 01:41:36,128 that works here at UTA. 1398 01:41:38,442 --> 01:41:42,835 But I wanted to give you an example of what does 1399 01:41:42,835 --> 01:41:45,161 it take to run a bus route? 1400 01:41:45,161 --> 01:41:49,936 This one is similar to what we are doing for 56 West. 1401 01:41:49,936 --> 01:41:53,341 It's a million miles, 100 zero zero zero, 1402 01:41:53,341 --> 01:41:56,341 you should see capital construction . 1403 01:42:01,568 --> 01:42:05,528 We have to purchase busses, we have to build bus stops, 1404 01:42:05,528 --> 01:42:10,128 run operations, we have to pay our drivers, maintenance, 1405 01:42:10,128 --> 01:42:11,128 security, training. 1406 01:42:11,128 --> 01:42:14,964 Of course, security involves all the equipment 1407 01:42:14,964 --> 01:42:17,464 we have to purchase to support that, 1408 01:42:17,464 --> 01:42:19,568 and then there's a training program 1409 01:42:19,568 --> 01:42:21,598 where we have to do mobilization, 1410 01:42:21,598 --> 01:42:28,798 we can't just hire the people the same day the route starts, 1411 01:42:31,848 --> 01:42:37,592 we have to train them and spend time invested first. 1412 01:42:37,592 --> 01:42:41,792 Also there are overhauls and accessibility adds. 1413 01:42:48,820 --> 01:42:50,832 Jay Fox: That mobilization happens the year 1414 01:42:50,832 --> 01:42:52,624 before the route begins, so you're 1415 01:42:52,624 --> 01:42:55,598 going to see some of that in the budget for service 1416 01:42:55,598 --> 01:42:57,598 that's coming in. 1417 01:42:59,569 --> 01:43:02,298 Viola Miller: If this gets to the tipping point 1418 01:43:02,298 --> 01:43:04,768 where we need to add a facility, that's 1419 01:43:04,768 --> 01:43:07,768 also not included in this. 1420 01:43:10,434 --> 01:43:14,133 Jay Fox: The purpose is to give it 1421 01:43:14,133 --> 01:43:16,790 just a framework as we go into the budget, 1422 01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:18,908 as you do your work with your constituents 1423 01:43:18,908 --> 01:43:22,336 understand where you were long term, what we need in terms 1424 01:43:22,336 --> 01:43:26,802 of additional revenue and where we happen to be at as an agency. 1425 01:43:26,802 --> 01:43:28,696 We've done a lot of work to get us 1426 01:43:28,696 --> 01:43:32,541 to the balanced budget in 2030, a lot of work. 1427 01:43:32,541 --> 01:43:35,918 This last 365 days between working with the board, 1428 01:43:35,918 --> 01:43:39,680 working with finance and our various units, 1429 01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,800 working with outside stakeholders, 1430 01:43:44,528 --> 01:43:51,270 it's been very fruitful, but one of the things we really want 1431 01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:57,870 to focus on is how do we improve that revenue side . 1432 01:44:15,781 --> 01:44:19,981 Viola Miller: I have some follow up. 1433 01:44:23,828 --> 01:44:26,288 Chair Mike Caldwell: Next we have the front runner two X 1434 01:44:26,288 --> 01:44:28,288 program. 1435 01:44:45,258 --> 01:44:47,393 Speaker: Thank you and good afternoon. 1436 01:44:47,393 --> 01:44:51,593 I Udot's director of transit and trails, 1437 01:44:51,894 --> 01:44:57,428 and I will do my best to get you back on schedule. 1438 01:44:57,428 --> 01:44:59,828 A couple of slides... 1439 01:45:07,688 --> 01:45:11,648 I think many of you heard last week 1440 01:45:11,648 --> 01:45:14,558 we got some really exciting news about this project. 1441 01:45:14,558 --> 01:45:16,768 The Federal Transit Administration 1442 01:45:16,768 --> 01:45:20,968 progressed the project into the next phase, 1443 01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,354 which is called entry into engineering. 1444 01:45:23,354 --> 01:45:27,554 We actually submitted this application around Halloween, 1445 01:45:27,868 --> 01:45:31,748 so it's about ten months to get approved, 1446 01:45:31,748 --> 01:45:34,148 which is abnormally long . 1447 01:45:38,594 --> 01:45:42,240 It was a really exciting day, I was actually driving back 1448 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:47,154 from the governor's Utah Summit, got the phone call 1449 01:45:47,154 --> 01:45:51,208 and I definitely cheered out loud alone in a truck 1450 01:45:51,208 --> 01:45:55,330 and then proceeded to pull over and talk 1451 01:45:55,330 --> 01:45:58,248 on the phone for an hour and a half. 1452 01:45:58,248 --> 01:46:03,838 While we got this, approvals going to the next phase, 1453 01:46:03,838 --> 01:46:09,838 the big thing is the dollar value that was committed. 1454 01:46:11,888 --> 01:46:15,488 FTA committed $1.28 billion to this project , 1455 01:46:24,161 --> 01:46:26,561 huge sums of money. 1456 01:46:28,136 --> 01:46:31,776 [Applause] I think many of us were pretty excited when 1457 01:46:31,776 --> 01:46:35,288 we heard that number, I will talk about the overall budget. 1458 01:46:35,288 --> 01:46:40,880 It is less than we requested, full disclosure. 1459 01:46:40,148 --> 01:46:45,104 The first thing I said is I got 1.28 billion reasons 1460 01:46:45,104 --> 01:46:47,508 to be happy right now. 1461 01:46:47,508 --> 01:46:51,641 Pretty exciting news, and this is really 1462 01:46:51,641 --> 01:46:57,128 a huge step in getting that full funding grant agreement, which 1463 01:46:57,128 --> 01:47:03,421 is basically authorization to go and they start reimbursing us up 1464 01:47:03,421 --> 01:47:05,421 to that 1.28 billion. 1465 01:47:06,448 --> 01:47:09,828 Quick overview of the project, obviously frontrunner 1466 01:47:09,828 --> 01:47:12,228 has been hugely successful. 1467 01:47:12,296 --> 01:47:16,496 In our peak hour, peak direction starting 1468 01:47:18,448 --> 01:47:23,848 at the end of the day, the system over 90% 1469 01:47:24,308 --> 01:47:26,272 exceeded capacity. 1470 01:47:26,272 --> 01:47:31,720 When you look at Utah's projected population growth, 1471 01:47:32,704 --> 01:47:35,468 we need to expand frontrunner. 1472 01:47:35,468 --> 01:47:39,680 We need more seats, more service, 1473 01:47:39,998 --> 01:47:43,855 I-15 can't handle all the growth we are expecting. 1474 01:47:43,855 --> 01:47:47,152 We really need a holistic transportation system 1475 01:47:47,152 --> 01:47:51,352 that looks at roads, transit, active transportation, 1476 01:47:52,221 --> 01:47:54,621 really they are interdependent. 1477 01:47:55,188 --> 01:47:59,280 Every car they take off the road provides benefit 1478 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,720 to freight which is good for our economy, air quality, 1479 01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:05,472 we already know all of the reasons. 1480 01:48:05,472 --> 01:48:07,848 The project purpose here is really 1481 01:48:07,848 --> 01:48:12,480 to double the frequency of the trains. 1482 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,594 Right now in the peak, it's 30 minute service 1483 01:48:15,594 --> 01:48:19,508 and in the off peak periods it is one hour service. 1484 01:48:19,508 --> 01:48:23,861 With this project, it will go to 15 minute service in the peak 1485 01:48:23,861 --> 01:48:26,261 and 30 minute off peak. 1486 01:48:26,674 --> 01:48:30,264 15 minutes is really like that magical number 1487 01:48:30,264 --> 01:48:32,668 where you stop looking at your watch. 1488 01:48:32,668 --> 01:48:35,768 30 minutes, I still don't want to miss a train, 1489 01:48:35,768 --> 01:48:39,968 15 minutes, I can play connections and just 1490 01:48:41,728 --> 01:48:45,430 wait for the next one, it doesn't bother me 1491 01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:46,423 nearly as much. 1492 01:48:46,423 --> 01:48:48,478 This will be great for the population, 1493 01:48:48,478 --> 01:48:53,348 it's certainly not only going to support future growth 1494 01:48:53,348 --> 01:48:55,598 but drive additional ridership because it's 1495 01:48:55,598 --> 01:49:02,198 going to be so much easier for people to use frontrunner. 1496 01:49:08,168 --> 01:49:12,554 I've missed the train and had the opportunity 1497 01:49:12,554 --> 01:49:15,554 to go out to lunch. 1498 01:49:17,249 --> 01:49:20,849 it will be a great benefit. 1499 01:49:21,975 --> 01:49:26,175 the project actually created this fantastic video, 1500 01:49:26,278 --> 01:49:28,341 it's less than three minutes long 1501 01:49:28,341 --> 01:49:31,704 and it will allow me to go through all my slides 1502 01:49:31,704 --> 01:49:37,704 much faster because this will say it much more eloquently. 1503 01:49:42,783 --> 01:49:44,783 [Video plays] 1504 01:52:39,393 --> 01:52:42,928 I just wanted to hit a couple of the other project benefits they 1505 01:52:42,928 --> 01:52:46,528 don't talk about in the video. 1506 01:52:50,993 --> 01:52:56,393 It's projected there will be a 3% increase in ridership 1507 01:52:56,945 --> 01:52:58,945 by 2050. 1508 01:53:02,691 --> 01:53:05,899 like I said we are at 90% right now. 1509 01:53:05,899 --> 01:53:10,297 To get that, we need more trains, more frequency. 1510 01:53:10,297 --> 01:53:14,497 I talked about we needed multimodal transportation. 1511 01:53:14,873 --> 01:53:18,473 Front is projected to be 17% faster 1512 01:53:18,993 --> 01:53:21,993 than taking your car in 2050. 1513 01:53:30,833 --> 01:53:33,833 Nothing promotes transit like sitting 1514 01:53:34,521 --> 01:53:39,603 in your car getting passed by a train or a bus or a light rail. 1515 01:53:39,603 --> 01:53:43,803 Obviously you've seen all the promotional videos, 1516 01:53:43,893 --> 01:53:46,293 it's much lower stress. 1517 01:53:53,153 --> 01:53:56,753 I talked about supporting economic development. 1518 01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:05,505 Jay Fox: As part of that increased ridership combo 1519 01:54:05,505 --> 01:54:09,105 we have 15 minute service so just 1520 01:54:12,278 --> 01:54:17,289 being able to pick up on all that additional ridership coming 1521 01:54:17,289 --> 01:54:23,889 in every 15 minutes is going to be really important and huge 1522 01:54:24,753 --> 01:54:27,753 for the entire rail system. 1523 01:54:33,588 --> 01:54:36,283 Speaker: I wanted to point out the one new station in Bluffdale 1524 01:54:36,283 --> 01:54:42,283 specifically at the point , A new development at the old 1525 01:54:45,953 --> 01:54:47,953 prison site. 1526 01:54:48,513 --> 01:54:51,513 Holmes, businesses, providing this station 1527 01:54:51,993 --> 01:54:55,143 gives all of those residents and businesses 1528 01:54:55,143 --> 01:54:59,943 the benefit of the frontrunner station right there. 1529 01:55:00,308 --> 01:55:06,908 you saw the map, Right now it said frontrunner 83 miles long 1530 01:55:26,227 --> 01:55:29,813 give or take 23% double track at this point. 1531 01:55:29,813 --> 01:55:34,186 The additional 26 miles will take it to roughly 50% 1532 01:55:34,186 --> 01:55:35,340 double track. 1533 01:55:35,340 --> 01:55:41,745 To get it down to 15 minute all day service which is ultimately 1534 01:55:41,745 --> 01:55:43,923 in the long range FrontRunner plan, 1535 01:55:43,923 --> 01:55:46,410 we will need a couple more sections, 1536 01:55:46,410 --> 01:55:50,241 but this is great progress, 26 more miles. 1537 01:56:00,593 --> 01:56:04,193 Sunday service is easier to attain 1538 01:56:05,253 --> 01:56:07,766 with this additional double tracking. 1539 01:56:07,766 --> 01:56:13,649 A lot of the state of good repair work that is being done, 1540 01:56:13,649 --> 01:56:20,249 the Sunday service is limited so the work can get done . 1541 01:56:21,260 --> 01:56:24,293 It certainly helps it, but we aren't planning on it 1542 01:56:24,293 --> 01:56:26,293 at this point. 1543 01:56:30,936 --> 01:56:32,913 Jay Fox: The service delivery costs also 1544 01:56:32,913 --> 01:56:35,437 increase when you have Sunday service, that's 1545 01:56:35,437 --> 01:56:41,437 a really important consideration that we were just talking about. 1546 01:56:43,401 --> 01:56:45,161 Speaker: Vehicles, you will notice 1547 01:56:45,161 --> 01:56:49,419 these vehicles do not look like the current vehicles in shape 1548 01:56:49,419 --> 01:56:50,566 or color. 1549 01:56:50,566 --> 01:56:54,766 These are actually dart vehicles but we 1550 01:56:58,541 --> 01:57:04,233 have made a notice of intent to award, wishes legal mumbo jumbo. 1551 01:57:04,233 --> 01:57:08,433 We put out a request for proposals. 1552 01:57:08,643 --> 01:57:13,173 Our local manufacturer put in a compliant bid, 1553 01:57:13,173 --> 01:57:17,973 and we've entered the negotiation phase with them . 1554 01:57:21,553 --> 01:57:26,353 Basically what was requested was a diesel unit, 1555 01:57:26,459 --> 01:57:28,879 this is different than the front runners 1556 01:57:28,879 --> 01:57:31,645 you see today with the locomotive up front or in back. 1557 01:57:31,645 --> 01:57:34,893 This actually has the engine in the middle, 1558 01:57:34,893 --> 01:57:38,460 and can easily be coupled and uncoupled. 1559 01:57:38,460 --> 01:57:41,646 Smaller vehicle, lighter, much more agile, 1560 01:57:42,653 --> 01:57:45,443 these will be hybrid so they have 1561 01:57:45,443 --> 01:57:49,137 a little faster acceleration and deceleration time. 1562 01:57:49,137 --> 01:57:53,521 Ultimately they have the ability to be converted 1563 01:57:53,521 --> 01:57:56,303 to more battery powered, which aligns 1564 01:57:56,303 --> 01:58:01,393 with the frontrunner for the plan over the long term as well. 1565 01:58:01,393 --> 01:58:04,573 Project timeline, we are kind of in that 1566 01:58:04,573 --> 01:58:08,773 dark blue box and the environmental study 1567 01:58:09,913 --> 01:58:14,753 has been completed, we are doing a couple of re avowals 1568 01:58:14,753 --> 01:58:17,730 just as the design has progressed. 1569 01:58:17,730 --> 01:58:21,273 Final design is expected late this fall. 1570 01:58:21,385 --> 01:58:25,939 We are in negotiations for the train station, 1571 01:58:25,939 --> 01:58:30,139 we hope to have early construction package , 1572 01:58:37,518 --> 01:58:43,169 we hope to do some canal work starting this fall and then move 1573 01:58:43,169 --> 01:58:47,369 forward with a larger construction package probably 1574 01:58:47,385 --> 01:58:52,785 next summer, and then once the FFGA is awarded, 1575 01:58:59,105 --> 01:59:01,313 there will be a lot of work going on in every section 1576 01:59:01,313 --> 01:59:01,938 simultaneously. 1577 01:59:01,938 --> 01:59:07,190 Right now we have front runner partners which is the joint 1578 01:59:07,190 --> 01:59:12,419 venture for Stacy Winback and the construction of Ralph 1579 01:59:13,913 --> 01:59:17,553 Wadsworth, they have an office right off of 53rd 1580 01:59:17,553 --> 01:59:19,553 by the station. 1581 01:59:21,621 --> 01:59:28,221 we are ready, honestly moving fast and pushing for the FFGA 1582 01:59:32,650 --> 01:59:36,553 as soon as we can get it with an anticipated revenue service 1583 01:59:36,553 --> 01:59:38,553 by 2030. 1584 01:59:43,793 --> 01:59:49,793 okay, many people are aware of 3.2 billion total cost estimate, 1585 01:59:52,373 --> 01:59:57,173 we have 845 committed state funds right now with 1.28 1586 01:59:58,785 --> 02:00:00,785 of federal funds . 1587 02:00:06,113 --> 02:00:10,993 Anytime there's a funding deficit, you have three options. 1588 02:00:10,993 --> 02:00:14,593 Cut scope, you can reduce risk. 1589 02:00:14,993 --> 02:00:19,841 Obviously we're always looking to reduce risk with the project, 1590 02:00:19,841 --> 02:00:23,441 that's just the project management form . 1591 02:00:25,873 --> 02:00:28,813 Looking at how the combination of those three options, 1592 02:00:28,813 --> 02:00:34,813 we can hopefully deliver the full scope of this project. 1593 02:00:42,337 --> 02:00:46,973 Viola Miller: I wanted to talk a little bit about the funding 1594 02:00:46,973 --> 02:00:50,573 piece on the support for UTA. 1595 02:00:54,713 --> 02:00:58,313 We've worked to support the application 1596 02:00:58,449 --> 02:01:02,313 to make sure that what the federal government is 1597 02:01:02,313 --> 02:01:05,884 interested in is how we are going to run this service. 1598 02:01:05,884 --> 02:01:08,821 I just wanted to give small clarity 1599 02:01:08,821 --> 02:01:11,693 to that in that what I presented today 1600 02:01:11,693 --> 02:01:16,441 is our immediate forecast of what we'll be bringing forward 1601 02:01:16,441 --> 02:01:18,841 for our tentative budget. 1602 02:01:18,849 --> 02:01:21,757 It does not have the same revenue assumptions 1603 02:01:21,757 --> 02:01:26,811 that we post in the project, and that is intentional. 1604 02:01:26,811 --> 02:01:31,611 I just wanted to be clear on that , 1605 02:01:33,198 --> 02:01:35,925 so if you see the part of the front runner looks different 1606 02:01:35,925 --> 02:01:42,233 than what I showed you today, there's a reason for that. 1607 02:01:42,233 --> 02:01:44,627 Chair Mike Caldwell: Any comments or questions? 1608 02:01:44,627 --> 02:01:47,981 Thank you very much, appreciate that. 1609 02:01:47,981 --> 02:01:50,873 That will come into chair discussion items, 1610 02:01:50,873 --> 02:01:53,606 because we are running late I will give you a quick overview. 1611 02:01:53,606 --> 02:01:55,997 Commission work session, we all agree 1612 02:01:55,997 --> 02:01:59,650 it would be nice to have a work session an hour 1613 02:01:59,650 --> 02:02:02,113 before this regular one if we need to get together 1614 02:02:02,113 --> 02:02:04,813 or if you guys want additional information on one you would 1615 02:02:04,813 --> 02:02:06,601 like to cover some of those work sessions, 1616 02:02:06,601 --> 02:02:09,819 if you would let us know we will get those planned 1617 02:02:09,819 --> 02:02:14,233 and that will help us get to speed a little bit quicker. 1618 02:02:14,233 --> 02:02:20,563 We have two appointments that we need to discuss really quick, 1619 02:02:20,563 --> 02:02:23,563 Wasatch Front Regional Council appointments. 1620 02:02:23,753 --> 02:02:27,953 There's no action needed, but I just 1621 02:02:27,953 --> 02:02:30,953 wanted to get everyone's approval. 1622 02:02:52,433 --> 02:02:53,933 Andrew Gerber: Representatives serve 1623 02:02:53,933 --> 02:02:56,739 in a variety of different capacities, 1624 02:02:56,739 --> 02:03:01,539 participate with the regional council on our council 1625 02:03:02,490 --> 02:03:04,133 itself and our various committees. 1626 02:03:04,133 --> 02:03:07,730 I believe the approach, this body 1627 02:03:07,730 --> 02:03:10,585 has to make determinations in consultation with J 1628 02:03:10,585 --> 02:03:14,785 about who and how UTA participates formally 1629 02:03:17,529 --> 02:03:19,377 in our committees. 1630 02:03:19,377 --> 02:03:22,598 A comparison to this now would be that representatives 1631 02:03:22,598 --> 02:03:25,598 from the State Transportation Commission 1632 02:03:26,673 --> 02:03:29,278 that serve on the Regional Growth 1633 02:03:29,278 --> 02:03:35,878 Committee, which looks at the big picture over the long term. 1634 02:03:36,475 --> 02:03:40,750 similarly on our Transportation Coordinating Committee, 1635 02:03:40,903 --> 02:03:44,245 which looks at specific transportation projects 1636 02:03:44,245 --> 02:03:50,845 over the next 4 to 6 years, those are the ones at least 1637 02:03:51,243 --> 02:03:53,778 I know there's a desire to have representatives 1638 02:03:53,778 --> 02:03:57,686 from this commission participate and some folks on the commission 1639 02:03:57,686 --> 02:04:01,100 have expressed already to me an interest and a desire 1640 02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:03,100 to be engaged. 1641 02:04:04,553 --> 02:04:07,753 Perhaps I will stop there, unless there's other questions 1642 02:04:07,753 --> 02:04:13,753 or you want me to say anything else, Mr. Chair. 1643 02:04:14,180 --> 02:04:16,939 Chair Mike Caldwell: I'm very familiar with your organization, 1644 02:04:16,939 --> 02:04:19,979 a little background on why it's important 1645 02:04:19,979 --> 02:04:23,613 and why representation from the board was helpful, 1646 02:04:23,613 --> 02:04:26,130 thank you very much. 1647 02:04:30,829 --> 02:04:33,829 Andrew Gerber: Collaborating, working together, 1648 02:04:33,979 --> 02:04:36,963 sharing information allows us to make better decisions 1649 02:04:36,963 --> 02:04:41,636 and serve our communities as effectively as possible. 1650 02:04:41,636 --> 02:04:43,636 Thank you. 1651 02:04:44,779 --> 02:04:47,000 Chair Mike Caldwell: Next meeting is Wednesday September