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This conference will now be recorded.
>> Good evening everybody. Welcome to this

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regular meeting of the Bader City
Council. It is Wednesday, September 2nd,

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2026, and the time is 6:03 p.m. Roll
call.

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» Jason Ny
>> here.

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» Nicole Hansen present.
>> Don Hurt

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» here.
>> Sharon McCernall

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» here.
>> Mike Parson

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» here. Mayor Shai
>> here. We're all here.

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Mayor report outfall on the station
funding. Um, we're working with CAC

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on the RSDA grant application. RAC is a
a nonprofit organization um that helps

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with um complicated uh various they
offer a variety of services and so the

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USDA put us in contact with them uh to
help us with the application since it is

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a fairly uh complex thing. So make sure
have another meeting with them tomorrow.

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So [snorts]
um park tours uh state representative

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Joel McIntyre and uh Mr. Walsh were here
today in town. Uh we gave them a tour of

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uh the city parks. Um Mr. Walsh is on
the uh budget committee up there in

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Olympia and um they wanted to see
firsthand um what that funding um that

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they approved can do for our community.
And so uh we we showed them Warden

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[snorts] Park which is a completed
project and we showed them uh Mcmurphy

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Park which hasn't broken ground yet. So
we had good examples for for that. So we

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were very happy to see uh Warden Park
and and how well it turned out. So that

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was that was fun.
Uh wastewater treatment operator. So our

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longtime employee uh Bill Wilson is
going to [snorts] retire at the end of

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the year and so we'll be uh looking to
um open up a a job um posting for that

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position.
Uh, Friends of Little Falls, they had

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their uh, concert event this last
weekend. Um, was really great. I mean,

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there was a lot of people that came all
day long. And so, thank you, Friends of

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Little Falls, for um, more putting on
those fundraisers to help eventually

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build an amphitheater.
Uh, any council reports tonight?

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» I got one on I Street. They chip sealed
that.

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» Yes.
That's nice. It's really nice. Except

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getting out on 506,
it's already getting holes

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because the way you turn onto 506, your
right tire kind of gets lifted off a

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little bit and so it spins.
I don't know if we can do 15 20 feet of

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actual asphalt there just for being able
because it's just going to dig it right

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back up through that chip seal.
>> Is it a Was it an issue with the work

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done?
>> I don't think so. I just think that

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because I've always gone down to D
Street and uh but now that that's

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able to be driven on. I like cutting
through there, but I just noticed

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getting on to 506, it's always I'm
always got to watch and can't take off

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at all normal.
>> Totally.

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» Um because it started to spin. And then
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a lot of people are having that issue.
So I just think that the way that the

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road is it should get at least that
launching area.

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Well, not launching area. Just kidding.
officer. [laughter]

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» Do you think some of that that that
do you think some of that

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» do you think some of that ground up or
asphalt that we have from our road stuff

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would tack down and give it a
>> I don't know I just

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» patch or anything like that any
suggestions? I think that it just needs

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to actually get asphalted. So that's
something for

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» we'll take we'll take a look at it. I
mean the the right guy is here right

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now. So he's listening intently. So
>> I but I do want to make a comment. I

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mean arguably you said was the work
maybe improperly done. Arguably it's

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improperly done if three weeks later
it's not working right. Or maybe they

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should have said hey this isn't going to
work here. So there is some part of me

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that's like wait I paid for something.
It's not working three weeks later.

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There's a mismatch there.
>> Yeah, we'll take a look at it and see if

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it's
>> loose or if it's just [snorts] a high

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use area.
>> It's my fault.

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» It's my fault. Or yeah, maybe.

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» Okay, other council reports.
[snorts]

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» Okay, moving on to agenda approval. I
don't have any suggested changes.

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I'll make a motion that we approve city
council meeting agenda for September

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2nd, 2026 as written.
>> Have a motion to approve the agenda. Do

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we have a second?
>> Second.

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» Seconded. Any discussion?
>> All those in favor say I.

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» I.
>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Minutes

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approval.
>> Make a motion we approve the [snorts]

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city council meeting minutes for August
19th, 2026.

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» Have a motion to approve the minutes. Do
you have a second? Second.

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» All right. Any discussion?

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All those in favor say I.
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» I.
>> Any oppose? Motion carries.

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» Who is the second?
>> Jason.

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» I'll call it out. Trying to be faster.
>> Voucher approval.

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Make a motion that we approve the
vouchers for the beginning of September

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2026 at $26,96947.

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Motion by Mr. Parsons to approve the
vouchers. Do we have a second?

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» I'll second.
>> Second by Mr. Hurt. Any discussion?

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» All those in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Special reports. Lewis

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County Sheriff's Department.
[clears throat]

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» Hello, Mr. Ruben. Good morning.

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» I have some more information for you
later.

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» Okay.
>> So, reference the month of August 2026.

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There was 338 citizen contacts, seven
calls for duty on ship, 12 traffic

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stops, three infractions,
and total of 29 calls for service.

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So, that's about it. Any questions?

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Have [clears throat] you seen any
launching pads recently?

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[clears throat]
>> Eyes on ice street now.

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» All right, next special report. Uh
Darren Hutton, building department.

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» Uh for building, nothing's changed since
last month. Um public works projects on

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September 14th will be starting the A
Street storm water improvement along

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with some other miscellaneous projects
around the city that'll go through

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mid-occtober.
Any questions?

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You have questions.

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» Did you have a question?
>> Yes.

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» What's your question?
>> Just did you hear anything yet about

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demo community demo for
>> nothing yet?

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» Yeah, I haven't gotten anything yet.

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» All right. Public comment. Any public
comment related to the three city

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business items [snorts]
>> about

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things above the agenda items? Well,
mine is on here.

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» Anything on the agenda?
>> Wait till

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[snorts] no rush if I if I may.
>> Absolutely.

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» Thank you. I have three other meetings
today. I didn't know I was coming here

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today. Actually,
>> we have two suits in the audience.

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» I know.
>> Wow.

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» Um, it's me again, Spencer Bud
representing TJ Investments and also Ay,

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another one of our entities. Uh, you
council may or may not be aware. City

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staff are aware that we own and intend
to intended to conduct short subdivision

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on our parcels 7148001002

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and 7148001004
at A Street and Fifth right where the

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pavement of A Street ends and the gravel
begins. That being said, we've read

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through the proposal uh that you guys
are going to be considering tonight and

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we have a few questions based on uh your
furniture improvement requirements for

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subdivisions. Uh specifically in
question of our parcels, the questions

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would be would be would we be required
to add sidewalks and street lights on

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the gravel street or would be would we
be required to pave our section of the

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street? Would we be required to pave the
whole street up to our section? Would

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the parcel between ours have to put
their sidewalk on their parcel? If we're

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putting our sidewalk in on our parcel to
the north and the parcel to the south

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because there's one between ours. And if
they're not, how does that satisfy the

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state of requirement in section 25870 of
your proposal that quote frontage

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improvements are necessary to establish
a safe and functional pedestrian

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corridor given the two segments wouldn't
connect to each other if they aren't

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building their section? Uh were any
other options considered by the city

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other than uh frontage improvement
requirements paid for by the developer

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in these cases for A Street, D Street,
and the highway between uh the two

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sidewalk with a nice streetscape. There
are options. It's a good it's a good

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plan for your streetscape and your your
community's image. Local improvement

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district was another option that you
might have considered. Uh safe routes to

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school grant might have been another
option you could have considered. Uh

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maybe state funding in a capital
request. You mentioned your state

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representatives were here today. Um that
might get hung up if the design

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standards that uh are also being
considered by council and pushed uh by

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planning commission last time um are
approved by the state in a timely manner

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or stopped by the growth management
hearings board. We as the top builders

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in your city would offer the proposal
not mentioned in the plan which is very

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common in other similar communities
which would be a fee inlue program so

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that you could bank those funds to do
those infrastructure uh improvements

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that are very important for your
community instead of having these

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questions posed or maybe having
sidewalks to nowhere or sidewalks in

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front of one house but in front of uh
not in front of another. So that's what

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I have for you today. Thank you.
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I have a question.
If you're going to com if I was going to

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comment on one of those three items, am
I supposed to comment before would you

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or after
>> or do I wait until you guys discuss it

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and then tell you
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» Okay.
>> Do it before. You do it before so we

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have your opinion.
>> Oh, okay.

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» Because afterwards then we're done.
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» Well, we're just discussing
we're still

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» Yeah, we're processing. I mean, the
process.

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» Yeah. No, there'll be time for there'll
be time for questions on the subdivision

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stuff. That's fine.
>> You should do it. Very

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» Yeah, it'll be fine.
>> It's a discussion, not a not a vote. So,

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» thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Other public comment related to agenda
items?

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» Okay. Moving on to city business item
number one, council to discuss the 2027

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4th of July event application and
provide feedback. So last uh meeting we

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had a a quite a grand uh application
from uh service regarding potentially an

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event next year for 4th of July. Um
a lot of information in that

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application. So, um, some of the council
members had, um, questions or

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clarifications and so we wanted to get,
uh, city council to, uh, vocalize those

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so that we could kind of put something
together. Obviously,

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Anson's here tonight, so he he's
listening, but um, we wanted to put

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together something before, um, so that
the the application maybe could get

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adjusted accordingly. So, this is your
time.

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Go for it, Nicole. You're ready.
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Start us out.
>> Um, so first of all, thank you so

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detailed. This is a very detailed
application, which I appreciate. One of

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the hardest things to do when reviewing
a contract is identify items that are

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missing. Right? It's easy for us to
identify what's here, but to know what's

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missing, especially for someone as new
as me, um, in this process, is hard. So,

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I don't expect any of us to have the
answer for that right now, but it is

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something we need to be thinking about
or maybe the city can guide us.

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Obviously, there's an application for a
reason. There's steps to follow, but in

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something this deep, it's hard to know
what we're not thinking about. Um, and I

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think my two biggest questions are
actually for council, not for the

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applicants. If we're going to do
something this large, my first question

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is how are we going to handle parking?

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You have a second
thought. Do

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» you want Do you want an answer?
>> If you guys have ideas

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» for each
>> I mean, if you have ideas.

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» Well, I think um Well, the the thing
with the parking thing is that they're

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planning on people parking down here and
then running a shuttle.

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» Yeah.
>> To back and forth.

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» I agree. And I think that's a great
idea. Does that mean we're limiting

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parking other places?
>> That means we're what?

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» Are we limiting parking other places?
Are we putting signage to make sure

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people go there? I just think that most
people aren't going to be expecting

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parking in Mc Murphy. And so we need to
figure out how we're going to manage

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parking throughout the city,
whatever kind of signage that looks

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like. And this is an ongoing event
thing, right? I mean,

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» obviously people can park throughout the
city, but

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» yeah,
>> I think um the way that is

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» kind [snorts] of designed is that it
starts early in the morning down here.

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It kind of draws people there and then
that's when they start shuttling people.

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» Yeah.
>> Question about

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» I mean if there's if there's parking in
town like regular parking I mean

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» there's not a whole lot. Maybe we can
open up the the city lot over there for

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for parking.
>> Let's just all think about it. Where do

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we want people to park? What do we want
to protect? What do we

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» Yeah. There's also the opportunity for
citizens to allow people to park on

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their property and charge because that's
what they do at the Puallup Fairgrounds.

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All of Puallup gets I mean
>> if they can fit five cars in their yard,

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they they fit five cars in their yard.
>> Yep.

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» They put them in and from five to 10
bucks all over the Puallup area.

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» Yep.
And then the only other thing, and this

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again is a big picture thing, I don't
know that any of us have the answer. At

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least neighbors on my street are really
frustrated with the behavior of the

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public. A handful of people can really
ruin it for the bunch. I had people

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laying in my yard, their bikes in my
yard during STP, no respect for the fact

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that it was private property. Other
people were urinating in bushes

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» even though there were urinals. Like
this kind of behavior is shocking. My

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neighbors were very frustrated with
behavior during Fourth of July. I was

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very frustrated on all of these public
events. You know, I'm starting to feel

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like I need to put fencing around my
yard, which I would rather not do. And

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so, it's not something that city council
can solve necessarily, [clears throat]

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but it is something that we need to be
thinking about. We need to be thinking

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about our residents if we're going to
have big events like this. And I think

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we want to, but I don't want angry
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» either. The parking problem that you
have during the Fourth of July is when

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the fireworks are going off. It's not
what's going on downtown.

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» Um, I had people in my yard again. I had
people lighting fireworks off in my

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driveway while I wasn't home. I I mean,
just complete disrespect for private

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property, which was surprising for me.
I have it on my Ring camera. It's really

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a bummer, you know. And so, you just
kind of I don't know what the answer is.

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Maybe we just have to always accept that
that could happen. sprinklers.

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» We need to but I do think we need to at
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because I think it's going to as our
events grow, it's not just going to be

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my street, it's going to be other
streets as well and residents are going

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to expect us to have some responsibility
for that for inviting people here.

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» So, those are my questions. I know
they're not specifically for the

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applicant, but

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» maybe we can get a [snorts] a thousand
keep off the graph signs and we can

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stick them all over the place during
these events.

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» I mean, I'm willing to use a paintball
gun.

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» Paintball.
>> You have a question? Yeah, I did. I

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because I wasn't here and James may have
shared some of the information, but

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obviously for this year's Fourth of
July, we went ahead and vote the field

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right here off of the highway. Was that
fairly well used? In other words, does

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anybody know if that loaded up? I heard
that there was quite a few people that

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went there, but I I didn't see it
personally, so I was just looking for

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some input on that.
>> If anybody

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» You live right there. Did you know? Did
you notice James told me what?

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» Oh, you mean the one right behind U He
Heidi and all them Rockies.

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» Yeah.
>> Get there via the

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» I was sending quite a few people over
there. I live on East Street. Okay.

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» And I sent quite a few people over there
because they were parking and knocking

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trees down on each street and uh uh was
blocking the whole road in case, you

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know, fire or police had to come
through. So, I was telling them where to

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go up on around the corner there, but
there was a quite a few cars out there.

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» And then, uh, for that event, do you get
any community volunteers to direct

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traffic?
>> Uh, we didn't have any of

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[clears throat] that this year. We tried
to do it with um physical barriers,

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cones, notices, that kind of thing. Um,
so obviously we didn't have anybody

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actively doing it other than me. Just to
Nicole, just to Nicole's point, it may

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make sense to have some volunteer
community people wearing some type of a

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red reflective thing that says, you
know, traffic engineer, whatever you

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want to put on it, and then have those
people talk, you know, talking to people

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that are doing nasty stuff in her yard
and said, "Hey, you guys can't do this."

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» Or even just seeing seeing the line of
cars coming down the hill and just they

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would see a flagger person and know that
it's parking for the event and they, you

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know, follow you into wherever you
needed to go.

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» Yeah. With regard to um D Street, which
is um just in front of where the

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fireworks were, there's going to be a
larger conversation about how the city

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should handle that um in in coming
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there were a variety of issues. I mean,
obviously, no one got hurt. It it

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happened and everyone had a good time,
but um it could be better. And it's

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going to take it's going to take people.
>> The first year we did it down there, the

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whole street was blocked off.
>> Yeah. It was closed and people could

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still get around. Um,
>> was it Eight Street was blocked off? You

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could only go one way and parking on one
side and only one way

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» going out
motor cop up there directing traffic.

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The other thing that um
if this goes with the promoter a

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QR code or
so when they go to that in to get

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information about it have a whole
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locations [snorts]
already mapped out beforehand so that

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they can it's part of the event page
of the not just Facebook But but like if

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they have on the internet if there's a
QR code, people can look at it and go

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straight to parking.
>> So our biggest parking problem is during

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the fireworks. It isn't during on down
at a street or at Murphy's Park. It's

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during the fireworks show itself.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah.
>> Question.

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How far away from where that lot that we
have there that we made available

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parking is the main deal like a block or
two.

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» It's across the highway.
>> Just across the highway.

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» Oh, just across the Okay.
>> They could sit in their cars.

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» Yeah. People aren't going very far then.
Awesome. That's good. [snorts]

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» So, parking sitting right there.
>> It's almost like a drive a drive-in

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spot. It was great. Great idea.
Appreciate it, actually. I mean that a

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lot of the cars that were parked in
there, people were sitting right there

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watching the fireworks. I mean, you're
you're like this. [laughter]

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» So, some other other things about the
application.

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» I was going to say I took this a little
off, but I didn't mean to. But, um, so

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what do we what do we need to do? What
are the next steps? What are our

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clarifications? For example, it says we
request the use of all portaotties, but

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there's no need to change their
locations. Are we making the assumption

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that they're the same number as last
year? Uh, I think there need to be more

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personally, but

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» um, and budget season is coming up so we
could at least consider these items.

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Please go ahead, Kristen.
>> I just wanted to clarify because in

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there it said no cost to the city, but
are you expecting everything the city

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did last year to still um,
>> I wasn't here last year, so I don't know

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what the city did last year.
>> Well, the city paid for the restrooms,

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» right? Okay, gotcha. So, are you the
city to pay for

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» Yeah, there's a couple things like um
not insurance, anything like that, but

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things to just like more infrastructure
city would be great. It's not a

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necessary thing. Um but it's one of
those things like it is a city event. Um

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city doesn't have to like pay a fee to
have us organize this whole thing like

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you were saying we do an organizer. So
it's a you know we're doing service for

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free but having more restrooms only for
[clears throat] in that in that case.

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And how was it last year by the way or
Tristan?

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» Were there enough restrooms?
>> I was only here in the morning so I

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didn't see
>> anybody have any feedback on

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» I do what was
>> um up at the up at the uh fourth

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» paper
>> up at the fireworks field. Um all the

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toilet paper ran out and so I had my
kids run some over from my house.

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» Um it's It's a great
>> It's a It's a burst capacity.

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» Burst capacity. Is that the right thing
to say when you're talking about

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bathrooms?
>> Um [laughter]

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but uh yeah, it was like everyone waited
until 30 minutes before the fireworks

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show
>> and then there's like

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» a mass run out.
>> There's like 40 people in line for two

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bathrooms kind of thing, you know.
>> Were there only two of them?

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» I think there were two or three.
>> Yeah. It just wasn't enough. The lions

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people would see the lines and be like,
I'm going to hold it an hour and walk

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away.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Oh, they're going to go use a tree
on the cold

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» yard.
>> Put signage up for us. 20 bucks on the

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tree.
>> So many [laughter] you can have before

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it's not
>> back to Mike's point, one of the things

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that maybe is if you had an available
thing for parking, you could also do

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where the restrooms are located.
>> Yeah.

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» So,
>> that's a tough one. Sorry. Um, so the

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recommended amount for a thousand people
is eight eight restrooms. Um, that's for

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an all day event though. You combine a
thousand people into one small location

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for four hours.
Maybe maybe it's a lot. Maybe it's twice

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the use. I don't know. But I can't see
us putting 16 western there.

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» Yeah. And that was like how many they
had? I don't know how many they had for

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STP. They had I don't know a dozen of
them. Something like that. And

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» And they were still going and they were
still lying. Yeah. Has has anybody

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considered talking to one of the people
that supply the restrooms and getting

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the same advertising outlet so that on
the event they would have something

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posted that advertise their business in
exchange for a certain portion or all

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that all of that fee?
>> It's a good idea.

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» They're asking us to Okay, so I just
want clarification. These items under

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the special request, I'm not quite sure
what Kristen read that said there's no

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cost to the city. There's a section in
the application under special request

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that says we request the city pay for
these things, these items. So I'm

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considering those are things that we
need to be talking about as we're

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looking for budget. One of those things
is portaotties. One of them is that they

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wave parking fees. So I do feel like
there are some requests for costs to the

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city that to me align
>> that we wave the park fees because

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there's like an application park fees.
So I just would recommend that council

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specifically look at that part of the
application because the special request

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items are the items that we're going to
be asked to pay for.

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Kristen, I'm sorry I wrote on your copy.
I

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» Kristen, no, you were right. I that was
a mis that was I think I put no cost to

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the city before um more information came
to me and from different organizers and

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things and that the thing was like hey
when it comes to things that benefit

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city um such as or you know more
infrastructure things see what the city

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can do on those typically you guys can
do a better job I can pricing as well

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but uh to this gentleman's idea uh great
idea to try to get it just supply or at

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least get a discount in addition to uh
you know horrifying stage. I don't know.

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We can do something. But I'll look into
that though because my idea is to to

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make the city not have to pay money for
anything. But you know at the same time

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we want to be a partnership with
something.

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» Does does the city pay for Mayday's?
>> Uh the city pays for Mayday's um

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insurance and that's it.
>> Okay. Not the outouses.

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» No. And [clears throat] we do wave their
fees because they're nonprofit. Okay.

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» And we have we have special event
we put aside money for special events,

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» right?
>> Yep.

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» Which a lot of it we use for Fourth of
July, but there's there's generally

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leftovers.
>> I do appreciate that you're not asking

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us to pay for insurance for something
like this. It would be very difficult

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for me as a city council member to
approve that. So, I appreciate you

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taking that on in this application.
>> Well, you're already paying insurance

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for fireworks and that's nasty. Like is
it going to go up now or do you know?

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» It seems like it goes up every year.
>> It goes up every year. It's a reasonable

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amount though. It's
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like 5%.

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» Not that not that this is exactly on
topic, but it is about Fourth of July

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next year is
uh the son of the guy that did it.

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» Uh I have not had conversations with the
um

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» [snorts]
>> Your family's

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» the shooters. Yeah, that's what they
call themselves. But

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» Oh, that's terrible.
>> Oh, wait a second.

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» Oh, man. I just watched the news.
There's another school shooting today.

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» Okay. How about
>> pyrochnic uh provider?

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» Yeah, I got you. It took me a second
though.

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» Yeah.
>> Yes. Question.

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» Um, so obviously it kind of Anyway, you
just talked about some of the cost of

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the city. So, is this is this a a
revenue neutral event or there's a

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significant amount of money that we pay
out? And if so,

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what streams of revenue do we have
circled around the event? In other

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words, what what streams of revenue do
we bring in to try to make it more of a

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cost neutral to the city?
>> There are two aspects to the event. So,

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there's the kind of the the the daytime
festival side of things and then there's

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the evening fireworks. and they're
they're they're fairly separate events.

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Um the city has
in in more recent years traditionally

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paid for the fireworks out of pocket. Um
last year uh two years now, one year,

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two years, two years, uh we've got uh
some grant funding from uh county

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tourism funds to uh help offset the cost
of the fireworks, but obviously we don't

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charge for fireworks, so people can just
stand outside.

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» Sure. And can I ask roughly what we
think that cost is roughly? I don't I'm

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just looking for
>> um fireworks around $7,000ish dollars

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plus insurance is on top of that. Um and
then then there's the festival itself

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which um this year it made can't
remember the number. I was I don't have

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it memorized. A couple thousand dollar
>> $4,000. So the festival actually made

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00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:44,960
around $4,000. So um and and food
vendors and pl people like that are

419
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,320
paying for their parking spaces while
they're doing that.

420
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:53,120
And we had pretty good turnout from the
food vendors. Like do we do we feel like

421
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:57,279
there's enough to support the event?
>> Oh, yes. [snorts]

422
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:03,840
» Okay. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's been
good overall. So, it's good.

423
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:07,520
» Um All right. So, other feedback for the
applicant with the application. So, we

424
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:14,279
wanted to make sure that they got all
the feedback they needed, questions

425
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,279
dialed in.

426
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:23,440
I'm I'm excited about somebody other
than the city doing it.

427
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,480
» Hey, I had my hand up. Joe, did you see
that?

428
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:32,480
» Oh, I'm sorry, Sherry. This little city
white icon. Go ahead.

429
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:38,559
Okay. So, uh it says on the application
that it is co-sponsored event by the

430
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:42,480
city and over the last two years, three
council members have said that we are

431
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:47,600
the city is not to be involved in any of
the festival portion minus the

432
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:53,679
fireworks. So, what will the city be
responsible for this year coming up?

433
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,000
» Yeah. And I think on the application
there were some uh it was like a

434
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:04,559
multiple choice question and there were
three or four choices and none of them

435
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:09,200
really uh were the appropriate op box to
properly check. So um did you want to

436
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,120
feel that that question
>> that what you said is exactly right.

437
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:17,600
None of them none of them fit. So maybe
we had a fifth box in there. But I I

438
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,720
figured uh along the lines of the city's
providing the fireworks, city's

439
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:27,600
providing a lot of the services up top
there. And so even though they're two

440
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:32,480
distinct separate entities or or um
events, I should say, uh they still kind

441
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,399
of run together, but at the same time,
yeah, I don't know. It's just one of

442
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,559
those.
>> It's messy.

443
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,840
» I'm just going to disagree with that. I
think they're I mean, while they appear

444
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:43,600
to be one event, technically they're two
separate events. However, there are

445
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,960
items in here that we're paying for and
if we agree to pay for those, we could

446
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:51,600
argue that it's co-sponsored. I would
agree with you that it's just an issue

447
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:55,600
with the application. So, it's neither
here nor there.

448
00:32:52,640 --> 00:33:00,120
» So, back
then we supported

449
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,120
» that seems like a

450
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:05,360
I think one of the big issu the big
things to remember is that nothing is

451
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,120
nothing's set in stone ever. I know it's
an application once it's approved, but

452
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,720
uh you probably won't work with an
easier two people on Earth when it comes

453
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,880
to like, hey, give us some feedback,
let's adjust, let's let's massage, let's

454
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,279
change, let's do this, you know, let's
move things around to to make it work

455
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:25,360
for everybody. Um we absolutely cannot
have like things like what Nicole

456
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,880
experienced that her can't have that
happening. It's just it puts a black eye

457
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:33,200
on the city, puts a black eye on us.
It's just not that and about 4,000 other

458
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:36,480
things we've been considering. So, this
is one of those things I've really tried

459
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:40,480
to get ahead of everything and figure
out what is going to create the best

460
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:45,200
possible experience for everybody
coming. Um, and what are the the

461
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:50,399
implications of of not paying attention
to these things or overdoing these

462
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:55,039
things. So, uh, believe me, yeah, we we
come at this from every single angle.

463
00:33:52,240 --> 00:34:00,159
So, if you do have feedback, please like
please give it to us because we are more

464
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,519
than welcome to to adjust and and switch
up and yeah, whatever needs to be done.

465
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:05,679
very valuable.
>> Yeah.

466
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,599
» All right. [snorts] So, over the next
week, please uh send any other feedbacks

467
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:15,200
you have to to uh
>> you have any other questions to uh the

468
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:21,440
to Kristen so that we can uh get that
off to the services so we can get that

469
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:26,159
done. Sher, do you have any other input?
>> Um not at this time. Um I'm going to

470
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,240
look over the um application some more.
Thank you.

471
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:33,200
» Super. All right. Any other discussion
on this for now?

472
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,839
No, thank you.
>> Okay,

473
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:45,200
moving on to item number two, a council
to consider the proposed 2027 budget

474
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:49,679
process calendar. So, think you've all
been

475
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,480
Sher, were you involved last year for
budget?

476
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:57,119
» No, I don't think so.
>> No, I was on building and planning at

477
00:34:54,399 --> 00:35:03,280
that time. This is a fairly fairly
standard budget calendar. It we uh it

478
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:09,599
includes the various hearings. Um the
meeting dates um everything takes place

479
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:16,320
on our regular council days. So um one
of the council days is um also um

480
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:20,800
set up as a workshop so we can talk at
length um about the budget. I know that

481
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,844
was uh something that came up a couple
of times having some longer discussions

482
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,720
about the budget.
>> [snorts]

483
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:32,800
» I do know that council member Hansen be
able to be here for that work. I don't

484
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:38,000
know if you guys wanted to discuss
picking another council date, making a

485
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,320
special meeting workshop be something to
discuss tonight.

486
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,480
» Think about it and not discuss it
tonight if we want to switch.

487
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:52,560
» Yeah, I don't think uh let's see. As far
as postings,

488
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,760
when you have to have those in the
newspaper.

489
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:01,760
» So, for the 21st, I'm going to have it
in by the 8th of October.

490
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:04,880
» So, there my apologies. Um, by the 24th
of September, I have to have that one

491
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,680
in.
>> So, we'll have another council meeting

492
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,079
by then.
>> Yes.

493
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,760
» Yeah. Our next council meeting with the
16th.

494
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,880
» So, yeah, we do have time to think about
it. [snorts]

495
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,359
» Thank you. before we put public notice
out for those hearings.

496
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:29,359
And just keep in mind, not everything on
the some of that stuff on that calendar

497
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:34,800
is for city staff, right? It talks about
getting things off to the newspaper and

498
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:39,200
um there's also when to expect my the
letter from the mayor regarding the

499
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:43,359
budget and things like that. So,
>> okay.

500
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,400
» Okay. All right. Well, we'll have this
on the agenda then for the next meeting,

501
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,000
too. So, please double check your
calendars and make sure that you're not

502
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:55,599
uh absent [snorts] for any of those
vital the vital uh meetings um in

503
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,599
particular.

504
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,720
lost volume.

505
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,040
So, it says lost volume. Can you guys
hear me?

506
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,920
People

507
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:47,560
are getting bored listening to nothing.

508
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,920
» Okay, you guys are back on.
>> Okay, I'm gonna hit the button again.

509
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Hit a different button again because
you're probably

510
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,920
» Yeah, I know. But she can hear me. No,
>> she can hear me, but she's not going to

511
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:07,520
be able to hear the other people.
>> Okay.

512
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:11,599
» All right. Sherry, can you hear us now?
>> Yes, I can hear you now. I lost it lost

513
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,240
all volume.
>> Jason, can you address her? Can she hear

514
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,040
you?
>> Hi, Sherry.

515
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:20,400
» Hi, Jason.
>> Oh, good.

516
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:25,040
» If I'm on the wrong audio device, these
microphones don't work and it's just the

517
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,040
laptop.
All

518
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,680
right.
So, that's never happened before. Okay.

519
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:40,560
So, moving on. We were talking about the
budget calendar and having it on the

520
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:46,160
agenda for next meeting. Okay.
>> Got it.

521
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:52,320
» Uh, last item, uh, council to review and
discuss short subdivision code updates.

522
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:57,680
So, we have here is suggestions. Um
Darren actually uh put it together with

523
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:03,359
some uh recommendations. So the idea
here is to go through it tonight um step

524
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:08,079
by step, make sure council understand
what's in it, make sure you agree that

525
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:15,119
it's the right step, and then we'll send
it to the consultants um to

526
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:17,520
make sure that uh it fits all the
standards that it needs to. We just

527
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:23,920
didn't want to send it to the
consultants first until we made sure

528
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:29,760
that the council um thought it fit. So
So Darren, take us you take us away.

529
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:35,680
» Yeah.
So uh while we reviewing our short

530
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:40,079
subdivisions, we noticed that our codes
in the short sub subdivisions are the

531
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:46,000
same as the long subdivision. So we
decided we wanted to remove some of the

532
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:52,000
requirements for short subdivision.
uh requirements that we're looking at

533
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:57,119
removing are sidewalks required and uh
illumination.

534
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Instead, we'll go with a uh giving them
several different options. instead of a

535
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:05,760
sidewalk
and illumination, they'll leave and

536
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:11,760
whatever the engineer and I decide to
leave room for, uh, easement or right

537
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:18,240
away for future sidewalks, but they will
still be required to do gutter and a

538
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:24,160
rolled [snorts] curb. So, we'll still
have that appeal that curb appeal.

539
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Um, as far as roads, [clears throat]
uh, it'll either be HMA or we've given

540
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:34,240
them the option of, depending on soils,
we'll give them the option of, uh, chip

541
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,680
seal. We have a hard surface for
emergency vehicles and trucks like that.

542
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,720
But the chip sealing will be more like
on lighter traveled streets. Your

543
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:52,079
heavier travel streets will probably be
required at HMA. So,

544
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:58,480
those were some of the major changes.
Now when you say sidewalks you is that

545
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:02,079
also along 7th
>> D and A.

546
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:06,000
» So yeah. So our
>> like what they're what they're asking.

547
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:11,680
» Yeah. So 506
um is kind of our boulevard.

548
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:16,400
» Anything on 506 and then A and D are our
main arterial streets.

549
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:21,200
» Anything on those we will have block
requirements

550
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:27,359
because those are our main avenues.
So, there's a chapter there's a section

551
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:35,440
in the chapter that covers that. Um,
I am looking at adding in here

552
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:39,200
to uh do 100 blocks of that because like
Spencer brought up like where they're at

553
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,680
down there on a street, it's not paved,
it's gravel.

554
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,119
» I wouldn't want to require sidewalks to
nowhere

555
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:50,240
» right
>> down at that end. So I'm thinking maybe

556
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:54,640
from fifth to the sewer plant, you know,
that section D street on the farm to D

557
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:57,280
street
>> because isn't that the end of the

558
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,440
historic
>> Yeah.

559
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,119
» this anyway. So
>> but do we but do we need to write

560
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,359
exceptions like that into the code or
could we just allow no

561
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:11,359
» like verbally allow like you know you
can come to this table and have this

562
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,400
conversation rational. I mean and we
have the variance option and stuff like

563
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:18,079
that but
>> it's something we can talk about

564
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:24,720
» but if you leave it open like that then
you let personalities get in play. If

565
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:31,680
you say well we may approve something
and like for something that you don't

566
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:35,359
want to approve says leaving something
open like that leaves it open to back

567
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,319
door deals.
>> That's what variances are for.

568
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,359
» That's why we said the variance. Yeah.
But appearance is more cost to the

569
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,240
developer.
>> 350 bucks or something. It's not crazy.

570
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,890
I mean, it's a developer,
>> but it's still more cost. And so why

571
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:51,440
have it open like that when it's
[clears throat] left open to

572
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:57,440
» the problem is not every project is is
the same. And so you set one set of

573
00:43:53,599 --> 00:44:02,560
standards without any any way to um you
know fit a certain area. Um you know,

574
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:06,079
you kind of box yourself in. So you need
to have flex some flexibility.

575
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,079
» But I can hear both of these. I mean
this is very rational what you're

576
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:14,400
saying. both of you, right? And so I I
could see us adding what you're saying

577
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:18,560
to A and D Street. It's only two streets
that we're saying we want sidewalks on,

578
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:23,760
so we don't want sidewalks from fifth to
the end of the road. I I mean, it's easy

579
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:26,800
for us to add that if it makes it feel
more

580
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:31,119
» lothifer
owns three larger lots down there. If he

581
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,319
wanted to cut those up and give them to
his grandkids or something, then he

582
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:38,240
would have to go through the short
subdivision process, put in sidewalks

583
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,720
down past Daily,
>> which he's he's tried to subdivide that,

584
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,800
but it's there's a lot of wet land down
there,

585
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,800
» right? But if you wanted to, you would
have to go through that process down by

586
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,240
your grandma and grandpa's place and he
would have to put in sidewalks. It would

587
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:56,520
be mandatory according to this. Did they
just say short sidewalks for examp

588
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,960
but but
>> D street the uh gravel starts at fifth

589
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:10,079
so it' probably be stopped that
>> he's between fifth and sixth

590
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:14,160
» so he's across from well kind of where
your grand

591
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:18,079
» so those three lots if he wanted to do
that he would have to go through that

592
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,680
process and put in sidewalks
>> or or we give him a varian

593
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,920
bearing.
>> So that's something to keep in mind.

594
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:30,000
It's not just bigger developers that
would be impacted. It's smaller people

595
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:35,280
that there's a lot of big lots in this
town. You know, where I grew up on a

596
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:40,160
street that's past, so it may not apply,
but um there's nine or 10 acres down

597
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,040
there. If somebody want to cut that up,
they'd have to put sidewalks in because

598
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,160
it's a street.
>> Well, [snorts and clears throat] this is

599
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:50,720
for this is only for short subdivisions.
So nine nine or less parcels, right? So,

600
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,319
we're talking about very small
developments, not the larger ones.

601
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:58,640
Larger ones would have to
>> Well, they could cut that up into four

602
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:04,480
or five lots. That's what I'm saying.
Keep that in mind that larger lots, you

603
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:09,440
know, and in in our case, we have we
wanted to cut off two acres and get rid

604
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:14,079
of it. We would be on seven. We would
have to put in sidewalks that go

605
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:19,280
nowhere. And then you get to Fertile
Smith's place and he doesn't have one or

606
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:26,079
whoever lives there now and it it would
drop down to nothing. So it it kind of

607
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,200
cuts things up. You've got a sidewalk
and you don't have a sidewalk and you

608
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,640
have a gravel road and you have a well
that kind of goes [snorts] that's the

609
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:38,160
way it is everywhere. I mean if you look
at Windlock right now their sidewalk

610
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:44,880
goes and then stops and sidewalk ends.
And I know in Vancouver there was

611
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:50,160
um sidewalk ending
locations where just that developer took

612
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:54,400
it to this and then the next developer
takes it.

613
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:58,079
» When that old house right here gets torn
down and it's rebuilt, they have to put

614
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,880
in the sidewalk kind of thing.
>> Yeah.

615
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:08,640
On 506 though, you have like where James
Wans are that place, you know, that's

616
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:14,160
going to border 506 unless he puts in
Sixth Street and comes off of Sixth

617
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:20,720
Street. And ours is so high the sidewalk
would have to be up on the on the bank

618
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:25,352
instead of down by the road. So then
they'd have to jump off the bank to get

619
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:28,560
» No, you'd have to put a bridge in.
[laughter and snorts]

620
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,880
» One thing you do is an overlay. zone
separately, too. That would that would

621
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,720
do it,
>> right?

622
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:39,280
» Just like your historic district is.
>> Okay, I got us a little off topic. Okay.

623
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:43,359
I like your idea of putting if it's just
two streets and we're going to say past

624
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,079
the gravel, we don't need to have I like
that idea.

625
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,240
» Did planning commission weigh in on
this?

626
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,000
» No. Okay. You're first.
>> Okay. I just I always have to remember

627
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:54,800
the process. Is there any You said these
are some of the major changes. Are there

628
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:59,119
any other major changes that you want to
highlight for us?

629
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,599
» Uh, no. Those were the major major
changes.

630
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:05,200
» What Darren, when you were explaining
the the sidewalk paintings, did you say

631
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,599
that they still have to put in the rolls
curb?

632
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,960
» Yeah, we're still going to do curb and
gut.

633
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:16,000
» So, the options for curb for curb. So,
the idea is if you I wish I I didn't uh

634
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Are there pictures? Did you put pictures
on that?

635
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,319
» No, I did not put the picture.
>> Okay. And I didn't put the protector up.

636
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:26,880
There are um some visuals, but
>> a roll curve. You have the option of a

637
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:31,119
rolled curve or a mountable curve.
So, if you've not if the So, the

638
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:35,280
mountable curve is a regular regular
square one you're familiar with. Um, but

639
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:39,920
there's other ones that are more uh
>> Yeah, they're rolled, but

640
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:45,200
» it usually rolls up to a sidewalk. So,
it would just be on the property line.

641
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,359
Well, not on the property line. It'd be
>> city right away.

642
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,079
» It'd be in the city right away. And then
there would be room between that and the

643
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:59,200
rightway line for future.
>> So, like a street is right now.

644
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:05,280
So like 8 Street is right now, right?
>> I get because right now it goes curb and

645
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,760
then grass, but that's still where the
sidewalk should

646
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:13,680
» go. Okay.
>> Maybe we can receive pictures after.

647
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:17,520
» Yeah, I'll send those out. I have some
>> good ones about what it would look like,

648
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,240
but I mean, we've all seen pictures
before of what that looks like in a

649
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,720
neighborhood that doesn't have uh
sidewalks and it looks pretty sharp.

650
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:29,119
So,
>> so who's the administrator that makes

651
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:35,599
these decisions? Is that you?
>> It says administrator. Is it Darren?

652
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:40,559
» Right. It'd be the building the building
department and in conjunction with the

653
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:43,359
city engineer.
>> Just those two,

654
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,319
» right?
>> Not the planner. Are you these people?

655
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,000
But usually like they work in
conjunction with the planner, but some

656
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:57,559
of the the individual construction items
are usually outside of the planner

657
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,559
scope.

658
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:04,720
» Is that the for the variances also?
>> Do you is it just you that takes care of

659
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,440
the variances?
>> Me and the engineer.

660
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:15,680
» You and Okay.
>> So used to do variances.

661
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:19,520
» A question on that. depends on
>> something that Cindy brought up a long

662
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:24,720
time ago is we got the kids walking down
the streets and stuff like that because

663
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:29,520
we don't have any sidewalks. If we don't
have them put in sidewalks now,

664
00:50:28,099 --> 00:50:33,119
[snorts] when do we have them put
sidewalks in in the future? And who's

665
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:39,760
responsible for that? Because the
builder is no no longer around.

666
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:44,480
See what I'm saying? Because do do we
just want streets in our city with no

667
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:47,440
sidewalks in it?
>> You know,

668
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:53,760
» there's no there's hardly any sidewalks.
>> This is a this is a

669
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:57,839
it's kind of a catch22 situation where
if we if we start if we require

670
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,359
everything, so you got a short
subdivision, someone comes in, they want

671
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:05,599
to build five houses [snorts] and we
require the kitchen sink of of

672
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:11,119
neighborhood development, right? where
you've got lamp posts and sidewalks and

673
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:17,200
curves and gutters and paved streets. It
with the cost of construction nowadays,

674
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:22,800
» there's not enough profit in those five
houses for them to come in and build all

675
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:27,839
that stuff. It just doesn't pan out. And
we've heard this um and we've heard this

676
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:31,200
from multiple sources. It just it just
doesn't pan out. So unless you have a

677
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,760
really large development and then of
course then um you can build all that

678
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:40,079
stuff and still have enough money uh to
to actually do it. So by the city

679
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:45,599
requiring all this stuff, we're we are
stifling um

680
00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:49,440
» building the these developments. And so
so what do you do, right? Do you do do

681
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,240
you keep requiring it and then never
have anything but really large

682
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:58,480
subdivisions or do you kind of pair down
these situations where you've got

683
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,800
smaller developments so that we can
actually encourage that um and then

684
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:10,240
limit the types of things that go in.
So, like Darren said, in the planning

685
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:13,920
process, we would still include enough
rideway

686
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:19,680
um so that someday sidewalks could be
put in whether it's the city pay for it

687
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:24,240
or we get grants or whatever. Um so, it
can happen. Um it just wouldn't happen

688
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:29,440
now and so [clears throat] you've got to
pick now or later.

689
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:33,119
» We we just had a speaker though remind
us that fee and loo is an option for

690
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:36,559
developers, right? So what that means is
that there's a certain amount of money

691
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:41,200
that they give to us and we put in a
fund for city improvement. So that means

692
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:44,160
if developer A does this part, developer
B does this part, developer C, and they

693
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,040
all put in their individual sidewalks,
it ends up looking like a mess because

694
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,800
we have one this way, one that way, one
that way. If we all ask them for fee and

695
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,720
lie up, when we get enough money for a
strip of street, then we oversee it. We

696
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,359
do the whole thing at one time and we
oversee it, but we have them give us

697
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:04,240
money. That's so I think the enlu is a
good option for a city this size because

698
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,200
it it you know helps them avoid those
costs right now and helps us grow our

699
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:11,280
city in the future when it's
appropriate.

700
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:16,640
» Did I understand that correctly?
>> Can I make a comment on that to John too

701
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:21,680
is that you just like Joe said it is a
it is a fine balance. So, I can tell you

702
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:25,920
that 100 years ago, I bought this house
in Millsboro with a really great big

703
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:30,319
backyard. And I went to the city and I
said, "Hey, I want to cut this in half."

704
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:35,280
And they said, "We don't want you doing
that." And I go, "Well, you guys have

705
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,119
6,000 square foot lot minimums and if I
cut this in half, that's 10,000 square

706
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:43,119
feet." And they came back to me and
said, "Ask us for variance and we'll

707
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:47,119
give you two 5,000 square feet lots."
Now, why did they do that? because they

708
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:53,119
want the tax revenue from the increase
of the people and it was it was fairly

709
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:56,480
what's the word it it synced up with
what kind of the rest of the

710
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:00,559
neighborhood plan was but back back to
Joe saying if you don't get development

711
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:04,400
through some of these things then you
end up not getting the revenue either

712
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,280
and I understand the balance between
doing it nicely and and then charging

713
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:15,839
all these fees but like he said kind of
like it's kind of like cost

714
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:19,839
uh cost. Um,
oh gosh, sharing the cost between the

715
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:23,280
amount of homes. That's why it just
makes sense. You can't share the cost

716
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:28,240
between five homes and come out good.
But like like Joe said, if you if you do

717
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:32,559
type 100 homes, that percentage of each
home's cost is divided out into those

718
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:36,640
things and that's why it makes it it
makes it more more affordable.

719
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,559
» Well, the reason I was asking that is
back in the day we lived in Sherwood,

720
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:45,839
Oregon. I bought a piece of property
that had a house on it. We subdivided

721
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:51,440
it, you know, to put my in-laws next
door and we were required to put in a

722
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:56,240
driveway and a sidewalk to extend to the
end of the property and still paid an8

723
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:00,960
$8,500
um beautifification for the city and

724
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,760
that was back in '94.
>> That's because they're in Oregon.

725
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,040
» I was going to say they're brilliant. We
didn't do that. Let's charge that. The

726
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:12,960
other the [laughter] other thing that
you'll find is that in the in the more

727
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,920
populated areas there are more
requirements because they realize the

728
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:19,520
demand for housing is bigger. And that's
another thing that you end up with here,

729
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,040
you know, and and it was brought up in
one of the previous meetings. Like if it

730
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,000
becomes too expensive, people aren't
going to get going to move to Bader.

731
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,960
Well, what was brought up is that people
of Bader can't afford houses. We're not

732
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:33,119
talking about people of Bader. We're
talking about attracting somebody from

733
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,119
whatever, Castle Rock or some other area
that's being priced out of their home or

734
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:42,160
wants to get more out in the country and
they want to live here. Those prices

735
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,720
have to stay, you know, attractive to
get people here. And and I just tell

736
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:53,040
you, this has already been talked about,
but I have a a beautiful manufactured

737
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:58,799
home in Toledo, you know, on an 8,400
foot lot, and it's I mean, we we pit set

738
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:02,880
it. We got 24 24 garage and it's a great
little piece of property. We're having a

739
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:07,359
hard time getting around 380 out of that
right now and we shouldn't be but you

740
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:11,520
know what prices have adjusted down a
little too right now. We know that we we

741
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:15,680
we look at the market and and because of
interest rates things are jumping down.

742
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:18,799
I think the Fed's doing it on purpose
and I think they are. They they want to

743
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,640
slow down that freight train but with
that the developer still the cost of

744
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:27,119
your materials and your labor kind of
going up. So it's squeezing that margin.

745
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:31,920
So that's what has to be taken into
consideration. It's just it's it's just

746
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,280
not a super easy deal. So when we see
some of the the manufactured homes

747
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:39,599
around here that are selling for 320,
330, it doesn't really matter if they're

748
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,799
super nice or if it's just a brand new
space where people live in there kind of

749
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:46,160
going, "Hey, I can afford to live
there." So they're going to do it. But

750
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:50,720
if we drive up those costs, we won't
attract that development to bigger.

751
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:56,480
That's just the realities of it. So it's
it's a catch 22. And I get it. But a big

752
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,119
large commercial builder can he's got a
combination of things where it's got

753
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:02,559
this crew that works for him, you know,
and all these other things and systems

754
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:07,200
and programs and they can absorb that a
little bit better than a smaller.

755
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:10,400
» Am I getting interrupted you earlier? I
didn't mean to. Did you still want to

756
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,040
say something?
>> So Joe, what are we being asked to do?

757
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Thank you.
>> Um, well,

758
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:24,000
the idea was to take take a look at this
like Darren said, he summarized uh what

759
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:29,280
it is and in a nutshell. It it um
doesn't require sidewalks in these

760
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:34,160
smaller developments. It doesn't require
uh lamp posts in the smaller

761
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:40,160
developments. It does um officially open
up options for different kinds of curve.

762
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:44,880
Um it does open up options for chip seal
roads instead of as asphalt roads. Uh

763
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:50,400
these are all things that um still gives
the city a really good neighborhood uh

764
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:54,160
without um high cost to the developer
and opens the door keeps the doors open

765
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:59,359
later so that we can put those things in
if we need to. So

766
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:05,200
» didn't that's what I was going to say
the so the curb so that we have the room

767
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:10,119
to do it later. All of the buildings are
going off the property line though,

768
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,119
right?

769
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,640
» Yes. Yeah. So the setbacks from the
property line, not from the improved

770
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:23,359
road service.
>> Yeah. So So that area for like 10th

771
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:29,200
Street for instance, that's still there
for us to do whatever we're going to do

772
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:35,839
to it. So,
I'm not quite sure what we're meaning

773
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,520
they have to have that area there, but
like

774
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,880
» it's
>> I mean it's our our land. They build

775
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:45,200
their house in
>> there, but

776
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:48,960
» we leave that gap between the curb and
the sidewalk and it's usually going to

777
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,400
be 8 to 10 feet and it's not just for
sidewalk, it's for utilities and stuff

778
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:57,200
like that. So,
>> it was more just uh we're just making

779
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:02,400
sure council understood that
um there the neighborhood will be built

780
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:06,559
in such a way that
these improvements can be added later

781
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:11,200
without issues with property property
lines. So we just wanted to make sure it

782
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:16,799
was clear that that could happen.
>> Okay.

783
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:20,640
» So are we having people trying to build
on the property line?

784
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,000
Didn't you have a neighbor neighbor come
in here and was complaining about that

785
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:27,839
she built that fence if we were going to
widen the road there

786
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:32,640
» and pave the road there alongside your
place. Her fence was almost all the way

787
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:36,559
out to the street and it was on the city
right away.

788
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,440
» Um
I don't remember

789
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:45,040
» when when when you brought it up for us
to approve the city street. Huh?

790
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,319
» F Street. Yeah.
her her fence was

791
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:49,839
» that street's a good example of what not
to do.

792
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,680
» Yeah.
>> Right.

793
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:56,480
» Yeah. But [clears throat] I don't
>> know what else to say about that.

794
00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:00,799
» But to be totally honest with you, and I
can say it because I live on that

795
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,119
street, if you build your fence,
>> sorry,

796
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,240
» on the road or in the middle of the
road, that's your problem.

797
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:11,200
You need to stay in your boundaries.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, you could legally I

798
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,319
think the city could come out and just
give them 30 days to remove it. quite

799
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:17,040
frankly not on their property.
>> F Street's a bigger issue. There is no

800
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,079
way.
>> It's a private. It's a private drive.

801
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,839
» Yeah. I was going to say, let's just use
a different example.

802
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:26,319
» Property lines.
>> Oh, no. I like to talk about F Street.

803
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:29,396
» No talking about F Street.
>> No F Street.

804
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:32,480
» We cannot be here all night. We cannot
[laughter]

805
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,599
» never My opinion is that you can't solve
all those problems here tonight. That's

806
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:38,400
what variances are for. And you examine
one of those individually and then you

807
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:41,599
move forward on it. The bottom line is
we can talk about infinite possibilities

808
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,319
tonight and it's not going to resolve
it. But

809
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:47,200
» question
just one second. Can I ask Darren for

810
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,640
just clarification? But Darren, what
you're saying is you can't build a a

811
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,040
building on that property line, but we
could put a fence up and then if

812
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,319
somebody wanted to come in and put a
sidewalk, we say move your fence.

813
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,760
» We have setbacks.
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure the

814
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:02,480
rideway line is to their property line.
>> Yeah.

815
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:06,640
» The front yard setbacks are 20 ft.
>> Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Go ahead.

816
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:10,640
» No. Um, again, we're on Seventh Street,
so if we had talked about taking that

817
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:15,599
two acres that we wanted to cut off and
give it to our oldest son when he gets

818
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:19,920
out of the Navy this year and just let
him have it, but he still we still have

819
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,720
to put a sidewalk in because he's he's
going to want to build a house on that

820
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:30,000
two acres and it says improved with a
new building. So, if we gave him that

821
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:34,319
two acres, it's still a subdivision.
We're still cutting one lot into two.

822
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:39,839
And
if he builds a building, build a house,

823
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:42,720
he'd have he'd have to put in the It's
still a subdivision.

824
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:46,000
» This is where the variance comes in.
>> Yeah. So again, it's a variance.

825
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:51,520
» I mean, yeah. I mean, if it just didn't
make sense to put a sidewalk in front of

826
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:55,040
one house up on the hill by itself right
now, you know, we probably would not be

827
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,160
required.
>> So that's our bottom. I mean, we're

828
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:00,400
irrational sometimes, but hopefully not
that irrational.

829
01:01:59,787 --> 01:02:04,000
» [laughter]
>> And that's where the flexibility in the

830
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:08,160
code needs to come in so that
>> when you see ridiculous situations like

831
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:11,440
that, you know, it can be
>> Yeah.

832
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:15,480
» But that was you had to that's why I was
wanting you to do some leway.

833
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,680
» Um so anyway, so tonight uh what we're
asking for council is are there any

834
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:26,079
necessarily any object objective to this
these things? Um obviously we can it

835
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:31,520
still opens. We still have the ability
of adding some fee and loo type

836
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:37,680
situations and things like that. Um, we
can but as far as these code changes,

837
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:42,640
are we
>> I like them. I think they look good. And

838
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:46,640
thank you Darren for doing them.
>> I'd like Darren's recommendation. Do you

839
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:51,599
do you want them approved as they are or
do you want us to change that one?

840
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:56,559
» I do want to change the road like Fifth
Street South.

841
01:02:53,200 --> 01:03:00,079
» Thank you. So, so we can uh then we'll
get these sent off to the consultants so

842
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,200
we can get a real draft to you. Not that
this draft isn't good, but

843
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,720
» thanks
>> with that change.

844
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:07,839
» Yes.
>> Perfect. Thank you.

845
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:13,359
» All right. Super. Thank you.
>> Good stuff. All right. Uh public comment

846
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:18,599
on any items at all.
>> You want to say 6 Street for D Street?

847
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:27,520
» Jen, can I ask is this the comment you
emailed me? Um, so there is the packet

848
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:30,319
and this is just a request to look at
that packet. Okay.

849
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,039
» Is that one?
>> They all have it in front of them. I

850
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,839
just wanted to make sure we were talking
about the same thing.

851
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:42,520
» So this is a public comment to look at
your public comment.

852
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,520
» Yes, it is.

853
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,839
» Good evening, mayor and council members.
I'm asking the council to act with

854
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:53,440
urgency on the agricultural and land use
code changes already submitted because

855
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,559
the impacts are no longer theoretical.
They're already affecting local

856
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:00,000
families, farms, and investment
decisions. In the July response to my

857
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,359
questions, the city stated that Vader
does not intend to restrict lawful

858
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,640
agricultural uses through annexation and
acknowledge the importance of local

859
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,359
farms and nurseries. Yet, under the
current code and its interpretation,

860
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:12,799
we're already experiencing real
consequences. We've delayed purchasing a

861
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,680
greenhouse because a new greenhouse
might be treated as an expansion

862
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:19,039
requiring a conditional use permit with
associated fees and a public hearing.

863
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,920
That delay has already cost us the
opportunity to take advantage of a

864
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,039
time-sensitive promotion that may now
mean another growing season without a

865
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,559
greenhouse limiting what we can start,
protect, and produce next year. We also

866
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,440
do not have clear guidance on whether
preparing and planting additional

867
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:35,359
agricultural ground for next season will
trigger another cup. The city's response

868
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:39,119
refers to the expansion of an area
already established for agriculture, but

869
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:42,240
does not define that area objectively.
For working farm, uncertainty about

870
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:46,079
whether we can prepare a field, invest
in seed, or expand production directly

871
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:49,119
affects planning for the coming season.
These impacts extend beyond agriculture

872
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,880
because we cannot currently move forward
with an ADU that we had planned without

873
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,400
city sewer or water. We are now
considering outside care options for an

874
01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:00,960
aging family member in declining health
rather than creating housing to support

875
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:04,400
them for support for them on the farm.
These are all timesensitive decisions. A

876
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:08,079
missed planting season cannot be
recovered later. A purchase opportunity

877
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,680
can disappear. Decisions about a care of
an aging family member cannot remain

878
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:14,960
unresolved indefinitely. The broader
effect is also economic. When residents

879
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:18,640
cannot confidently invest in their
homes, farms, and land, the projects

880
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,359
that could support local builders,
contractors, suppliers, equipment

881
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,039
dealers, and trades are delayed or
abandoned. Money that can be invested

882
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,640
locally is instead spent on services,
facilities, and resources outside of

883
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,440
Bader. We understood the annexation
would bring regulatory changes. What's

884
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,240
difficult is being subject to those
restrictions before the city has

885
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,920
established clear objective standards
for appropriate rural and agricultural

886
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:41,119
properties it chose to bring under its
jurisdiction. The city has already

887
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,480
acknowledged months ago that was
considering allowing agriculture as a

888
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:48,079
fully permitted use in the areas without
city utilities and creating more

889
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,599
objective agricultural standards. I ask
the council to please move these

890
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:54,720
discussions into action. We are not
asking to be exempt from building code

891
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,240
setbacks, critical area protections,
fire safety, or other reasonable

892
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:01,520
regulations. We're asking Bader to adopt
clear, workable standards that do not

893
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:05,119
unnecessarily eliminate development
opportunities that Washington law

894
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:12,240
otherwise supports. For example, under
RCW 3678 6811C, qualifying jurisdiction

895
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:16,559
must allow up to two ADUs on single
family lots. Vader's restriction of ADUs

896
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,920
to properties only with public sewer or
water effectively excludes many

897
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,319
residents from that opportunity with
large portions of the city remaining

898
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:28,000
unserved. Vader should create lawful ADU
pathway for those properties rather than

899
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:31,520
allowing lack of municipal utilities to
function as a blanket prohibition.

900
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,720
Months ago, we were told that our farms
and nursery were important to Vader and

901
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,240
we're asking the city to de demonstrate
that commitment by addressing the

902
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:41,440
unintended consequences that codes are
already creating. I respectfully ask the

903
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,280
council please prioritize these
amendments before more families lose

904
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,160
opportunities, delay investments, or are
forced to meet their agricultural

905
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:51,119
housing and caregiving needs outside of
the committee. Thank you. Or community.

906
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Thank you.
Thank you.

907
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,599
Mayor,
>> I have a question.

908
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:59,760
» Yeah.
>> Part of what I'm hearing from residents

909
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,640
is that the city said there would be,
you know, some kind of 5-year window

910
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:07,119
that would protect all of their current
activities. Then I'm hearing residents

911
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:11,520
say, well, no, I went to a different
meeting and was told that no longer

912
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:14,400
exists. And then I'm getting comments,
you know, in this moment that say like

913
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:17,599
this is urgent because it's interfering
with my life. And you know, I sort of

914
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:20,880
thought, you know, if there's a 5year
window, we have time to do right by

915
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:25,760
these residents. And that was part of my
argument. And I'm also feeling a little

916
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:29,760
bit confused because I'll hear one
moment I spoke to someone who said,

917
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:34,160
"Nope, the ADU is ADU issue has been
resolved. U residents are happy." And

918
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:38,240
now I'm hearing maybe that's not fully
the case from a resident's perspective.

919
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:41,680
And I don't really know. We've never
done anything this big. So I don't

920
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:46,880
really know what the clear pop forward
is, right? I don't think that every

921
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:50,799
council member should be expected to
investigate this in detail and be able

922
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:55,599
to answer this and help understand it
and and you know look up the state law

923
01:07:53,039 --> 01:08:01,680
federal law you know let's not get crazy
and county and city laws. So, I guess

924
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:05,920
what I'm asking is, you know, how do we
get clarity on some of these items so

925
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:09,920
that residents feel like they have more
clarity? So, I feel like I have more

926
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:13,119
clarity. You know, do we bring James
back and say, "These are a couple

927
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,480
questions. Do we get them together and
send an email?" I feel just at a loss

928
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:21,120
when a resident says to me, "That fiery
protection you said is there is not

929
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:25,520
there or someone else is telling me it's
not there." I'm sort of like, I don't

930
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:31,359
know the answer, you know? And so what
is the best way forward to be at least

931
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:35,199
thoughtful about
these questions

932
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:39,600
» or maybe we can talk about it after and
you can help me understand. But

933
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:47,279
» the city hasn't received any
applications or requests for any new

934
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:49,359
construction or any activities in the UG
since the annexation,

935
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,560
» okay,
>> was completed. Okay.

936
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,062
» And so no one's been denied because no
one's asked.

937
01:08:53,359 --> 01:09:00,080
» Okay.
[snorts] And the questions that have

938
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:04,000
come to the city, the city is responding
to those questions. [snorts]

939
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:09,359
» Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have I mean,
we've

940
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,880
» I would definitely look at your
>> look this over. Definitely.

941
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:16,239
» So, Gemma, I have some questions that
I'll reach out to James and see if we

942
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:18,319
can get to the bottom of some of the
conversations.

943
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,799
» James is the one that said it was a
misunderstanding on a fiveyear for me. I

944
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:26,719
don't know about other residents, but
that's where

945
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:31,839
» y we'll continue the conversation.
>> And with regard to um ADUs, the planning

946
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:39,679
committee spoke at length about ADUs at
the last meeting. Were you there with

947
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:43,199
» um and uh and so um the issues regarding
um our code saying that it needs to be

948
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:48,239
hooked to water and sewer and things
like that. Obviously, when you're a half

949
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:52,880
mile from water and sewer, that's that's
not a requirement. And so, um, if anyone

950
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,800
did apply that, you probably would just
get a variance.

951
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:57,840
» A variance.
>> But, um,

952
01:09:55,679 --> 01:10:01,520
» are you are you Rafter 7?
>> Raptor 7.

953
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:04,960
» Rafter 7 farm. Where where are you?
>> We're just up on the road. Right next to

954
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,199
Weiss.
>> Oh, okay. Right.

955
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:12,960
» Um, so, um,
>> yeah, on the front side, the orchard's

956
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,239
in the back.
>> We don't have to have her give her

957
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:21,760
address [snorts] on [laughter]
>> I I was confused.

958
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,679
got she's got farming property. I think
that kind of

959
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,520
» that narrows it down, right?
>> Um but yeah, with ADUs, it was just got

960
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:34,159
that at length at the planning committee
meeting and James was already putting

961
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:37,679
together um some adjustments that would
fix these discre discrepancies,

962
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,560
» right?
>> And so it was just obvious or at least

963
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:46,880
written down instead of being this just
doesn't even make sense anymore. So

964
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:50,800
» So a lot of that work on it already. If
you want an AD, bring it to us like

965
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,640
right. I mean, we can have a variance
that you don't need to be connected to

966
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,239
water.
>> Is that going to make it a

967
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:59,760
non-conforming structure then that turns
into another legal?

968
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:04,000
» Again, I don't want to say exactly
legally what [clears throat] it is or

969
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:05,840
not. That's what James is for. Um, but
we have an application.

970
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,719
» Yeah, we need an application.
>> I don't know. I I can't say.

971
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,600
» Well,
>> I mean, you're not going to be denied

972
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,960
because you can't hook up to
>> public utilities when you're a half mile

973
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:20,320
away,
>> right? Well, that's part of our

974
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:25,199
frustration is that that's what the code
currently says. So,

975
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:28,159
» can can I can I ask about the greenhouse
situation?

976
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,640
» The greenhouse. So, we were looking at
one of the little Genesis buildings, but

977
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:37,520
it's a larger building in the code or
the response the July response from

978
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:45,360
James. He said that the conditional use
permit would be for the agricultural

979
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:51,679
use of that land and anything that was
to expand or grow that would need to go

980
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:54,640
through a public public hearing with the
hearing examiner which will require fees

981
01:11:53,879 --> 01:12:00,080
[clears throat]
to be able to have that conditional use

982
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:03,600
approved to be expanded because it is
still a non-conforming use since it's a

983
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:09,360
residential lot and not an agriculture
lot. So my request has been instead of

984
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:15,360
putting agriculture into
um the non-conforming

985
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:19,760
uses, put it into the conforming uses
for R1 is been my request. So that way

986
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:25,360
we don't have to worry about the
concerns of if our field is we're

987
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:30,800
tilling a space and increasing the
intensity of putting tillage where our

988
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:34,239
hay field is so we can put gar.
It's a big I was going to say we don't

989
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:37,280
we can't solve individual residents
comments during public comment but I do

990
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,880
think we like we're all
>> I can get an understanding of it as

991
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:43,440
well.
>> Yeah, we we hear you and we'll continue

992
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:48,800
the conversation.
>> Stupidest question probably. How do you

993
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:53,280
have an ADU without utilities?
>> Well, they can

994
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:56,159
» they can put septic in well
>> but not

995
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:59,199
» currently.
It says it must connect to public

996
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:04,520
utilities for
>> again our code. Yeah.

997
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,520
» Doesn't make sense because it's

998
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,040
» ads are brand new.
>> It's being worked on.

999
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:13,600
» We're in the city. We have a well
subject. So, if we put an ADU, it would

1000
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,600
have to be well subject, but we're
currently

1001
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,280
» there things that need to get polished.
Like I said, it was discussed at night

1002
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,920
» or in the bill
>> probably be on the topic of the planning

1003
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:30,560
committee next week even. Maybe if it's
so far distance from public utilities,

1004
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,360
then it's exempt from that and then you
could allow them on the subject.

1005
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,520
» Yeah,
>> we have lots we've already had lots of

1006
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,400
conversations.
>> It's Darren says it's already on next

1007
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:42,320
week's agenda.
>> Yeah, we've already had lots of we know

1008
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:44,880
what the options are. I think it's just
>> it's already being worked on.

1009
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:52,800
» It's process. Okay.
>> Other public comments tonight? Anybody?

1010
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:58,159
Yeah, I have I have uh some input on the
>> curb curbs and gutters. Um you got to

1011
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,840
take in consideration you're not going
to put the water in the ditch now.

1012
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:07,280
You're going to be running down the
street. So the city's going to have to

1013
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:13,760
provide some kind of collection system
which will cost the taxpayers. That's

1014
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:19,280
something to think about. And also um
behind the school there's the wetlands

1015
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:27,440
area which we don't really have wet
anymore. That's a area to look at so far

1016
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:30,440
as parking for the 4th of July. Thanks.
>> Thanks.

1017
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:38,800
» I had a comment. Sorry I've had my hand
raised but

1018
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:42,239
» hi. I would [clears throat] be there but
I don't think you want my pestilence.

1019
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:49,199
I'm
currently ill. Um, at any rate, um, so I

1020
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:54,080
kind of was wanting to back up what Jen
was saying because one of these years we

1021
01:14:52,697 --> 01:14:59,199
[clears throat] would like to finish our
high tunnel. We have the frame. Um, we

1022
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:04,000
just have to finish getting it uh,
anchored to the ground

1023
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:09,840
and then eventually plastic and whatnot.
So obviously I want to make sure stuff

1024
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:15,040
doesn't affect me to be able to continue
on that route. [clears throat] So I want

1025
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:21,600
to kind of just back up Jan on her
comments as well. And then additionally

1026
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:26,159
on a different subject,
kind of going back towards public events

1027
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:31,920
and whatnot,
um my husband and I did attend um for

1028
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:36,159
about an hour and a half the um event
that they had at Mc Murphy Park.

1029
01:15:35,272 --> 01:15:41,760
[clears throat]
And although I was disappointed in my

1030
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:47,760
husband's behavior, I was also quite
dismayed and disappointed

1031
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:54,560
how the city council or not sorry city
council but the security that they had

1032
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:59,199
behaved. It was
I kind of got towards I got brought into

1033
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:03,840
it at the tail end because I was in my
son's car. He has a classic car. It

1034
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:09,199
didn't want to start when we wanted to
leave. Although it had started all day

1035
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:15,199
long, we think the car is possessed.
But at any rate, um by the time I was

1036
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:20,960
brought into alteration,
I was quite shocked at the security's

1037
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:27,199
behavior, um having been in the medical
field for several several years. I've

1038
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:31,840
had deescalation training and I was
quite shocked at how they were

1039
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:37,520
escalating the situation again and again
and again when all my husband wanted to

1040
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:40,520
do was get our car started and leave.
And

1041
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:48,719
today, if I'm not mistaken, all these
quote unquote security guards are

1042
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:56,560
volunteers.
And so they really honestly should have

1043
01:16:53,040 --> 01:17:02,640
some deescalation training at a minimum.
And I'm not going to

1044
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:06,000
annoy
what's going to happen when we have all

1045
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:11,040
these larger events where alcohol's
involved and you get an actual

1046
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:15,840
belligerent drug. They cannot behave the
way they did with my husband who's just

1047
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:20,800
a pissed-off old man that his car won't
start

1048
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:24,560
drunk and not expect it to go to so
fast.

1049
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:29,840
So, if you want more details about what
happened, I'm happy to fill you in, but

1050
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:34,159
I didn't
>> if you call um what do you think next

1051
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:35,760
next week if they she called and talk to
you directly

1052
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:42,239
» or send an email?
>> Um if Le if you called and talk to city

1053
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:45,199
hall and uh kind of um
let them know exactly what happened, we

1054
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:47,440
can feed that back to the event
coordinators. I'm sure they would want

1055
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,239
to know.
>> Yeah. Who

1056
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:54,320
» told us what event?
>> It it was the car show this weekend.

1057
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:56,159
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1058
01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:00,719
» Okay. Thank you for [clears throat]
that. I'm sure they'll want to know.

1059
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:03,440
» So, just call city hall and ask to speak
with whom?

1060
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:07,840
» Yeah. Chris Marina could take the
message, too, I suppose. So, yeah, just

1061
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:12,000
give city hall a call, talk to uh Marina
or Kristen and and and just let them

1062
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:15,199
know what happened so that information
back.

1063
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:20,239
» Yeah, because Yeah, they they need more
training. It it was it was it was silly.

1064
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,159
It was I was shocked by everybody's
behavior. But thank you.

1065
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:27,539
» Thank you.
Any [snorts] other public comment

1066
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:30,560
tonight?
[clears throat]

1067
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,800
» All right. This meeting is adjourned.
Oh, wait. City council comment.

1068
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,440
» Thanks. [snorts]
Did you catch my face? I was like,

1069
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:41,520
» I wasn't going to say anything.
>> Stop.

1070
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:47,440
» Didn't feel right. Um, I've actually
looked uh I'm actually going over the

1071
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:51,120
the manufactured home codes that we just
approved. Again, there's some things in

1072
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:54,960
there that I got questions about. Okay.
>> And I will have I'm bringing them to the

1073
01:18:53,040 --> 01:19:00,640
next council meeting.
>> So, um,

1074
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:04,640
talking about lowering lowering um costs
for individuals, there's things in there

1075
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:08,804
that
don't make sense anymore. Uh,

1076
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:13,600
» okay.
[snorts]

1077
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:18,880
» Would you like a my my first I the first
thing that I' I've I know that's in

1078
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:25,040
there is the is the concrete foundation
that goes all the way around the thing.

1079
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:29,520
Um, if it's already on a concrete pad, I
don't see I wouldn't see any reason for

1080
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:33,360
them not to be able to use like a
>> center block.

1081
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:37,840
» No, I think that's very costly. Hardy.
Not hardy, but you know. Yeah.

1082
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:41,600
» Yeah.
>> And because it's not touching ground,

1083
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:48,080
it's it's you know, I just think that
there's there's things in there that can

1084
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:53,360
cut some costs that are unnecessary, but
I want to ask

1085
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:57,000
the planning as to why these are that
way.

1086
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,000
» Okay.

1087
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,880
Just a forewarning,
>> if you have time, will you send them to

1088
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:07,600
the mayor in advance so we can read them
because that's Thank you. If you have

1089
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:13,760
time, if not, we'll listen here.
>> Other comments? I was reading today,

1090
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:20,159
city of Toledo
is hosting a meeting on the 16th of

1091
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:25,840
September at 6:30 uh in the evening
about uh earthquakes and disasters, how

1092
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:31,040
the
communities, the cities around us would

1093
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:35,679
respond to them. And uh we're going to
have workshop there and stuff. So that's

1094
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:40,400
going to be on the 16th of September
over there. You know, something we've

1095
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:45,360
never had is a representative from uh
Lewis County Department of Emergency

1096
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:48,480
Management come and talk to us. They're
going to be there.

1097
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,239
» That would be kind of neat to to do.
>> We have had that person come and say

1098
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:55,120
pretty much if there's a disaster, we're
on our own.

1099
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:58,800
» Yeah. [laughter]
>> So, that's why we have the gates right

1100
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:05,040
up at the top of the hill.
>> Two schools of thought, but um

1101
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:09,679
» that was a joke.
and they love what they do and they love

1102
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:14,320
to talk to you about it.
>> Thanks for that.

1103
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:18,560
» Uh then I just really quickly want to
tell people about the carousel project.

1104
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:21,520
The community group organizing this went
to the current site up in Snowqualami

1105
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:25,520
last week. So now they actually
understand how big this project is,

1106
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:29,199
which is exciting. In two weeks, we're
talking to a nonprofit and asking them

1107
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:34,640
for their support to bring it to Vader.
So we'll see how that goes. Um and we're

1108
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:38,080
just appreciate community support. it
going to go? Where would it sit?

1109
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:42,560
» We'll have to think about properties
that are available in the city.

1110
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:46,640
» Right in front of Little Crime,
>> but there's that property on the corner

1111
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:51,199
there, you know, that has that we just
got. There's also the right in the

1112
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,040
center of town, the pocket park. But I
also

1113
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:58,639
So there's there's places
>> to answer your question. It's quite

1114
01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:01,600
large and so we'll need to have
conversations about where it can go.

1115
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:05,840
Right now it's just in a lot of pieces.
So we'll have to restore it and continue

1116
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:10,320
conversation. Thank you for asking.
>> How because from what I understand it's

1117
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:12,320
a wooden carousel. Is it going to be
enclosed?

1118
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:15,520
» Yes.
>> Yep. We'll do a capital project to raise

1119
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:19,840
the money for a building.
>> Yeah.

1120
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:23,679
» Yeah. It's big project
way.

1121
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:30,080
» Yeah. An idea might be to like get one
of the characters or one of the what and

1122
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:33,280
like put it in a a display case so
people can see like what we're

1123
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:37,097
» I'm going to talk to local business
owners to see if they'll let me put them

1124
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:39,600
in their businesses. Jason
[laughter]

1125
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:43,280
» here goes four tables
>> like in Portland when they paint like or

1126
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,080
something.
>> Yeah, that'd be cool.

1127
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:48,159
» Good idea.
>> We'll do all the things.

1128
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:52,400
» Pocket promotions.
>> Thank you for asking. Yeah, cool.

1129
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:54,239
Thanks. That's it. I got a great idea
for that little pocket. Anyway,

1130
01:22:54,127 --> 01:22:56,080
[laughter]
>> you didn't say anything. You're the last

1131
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,040
one.
>> Add something.

1132
01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:01,920
» I'm good. I'm good.
>> That's a good ending.

1133
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,480
» Me, too.
>> Let's go.

1134
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:08,400
» Do you have any input?
>> You left us.

1135
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:12,320
» She doesn't have any input.
>> Okay. Uh well, then this meeting is 7:25

1136
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,840
p.m.
>> Thanks everyone. Thanks for staying.

1137
01:23:17,707 --> 01:23:19,727
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1138
01:23:24,912 --> 01:23:26,932
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