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>> Good evening everybody. Welcome to this
[0:57] regular meeting of the Bader City
Council. It is Wednesday, September 2nd,
[1:01] 2026, and the time is 6:03 p.m. Roll
call.
[1:04] » Jason Ny
>> here.
[1:05] » Nicole Hansen present.
>> Don Hurt
[1:08] » here.
>> Sharon McCernall
[1:10] » here.
>> Mike Parson
[1:13] » here. Mayor Shai
>> here. We're all here.
[1:21] I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[1:26] for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:31] justice for all.
[1:36] » Mayor report outfall on the station
funding. Um, we're working with CAC
[1:42] on the RSDA grant application. RAC is a
a nonprofit organization um that helps
[1:49] with um complicated uh various they
offer a variety of services and so the
[1:56] USDA put us in contact with them uh to
help us with the application since it is
[2:01] a fairly uh complex thing. So make sure
have another meeting with them tomorrow.
[2:05] So [snorts]
um park tours uh state representative
[2:10] Joel McIntyre and uh Mr. Walsh were here
today in town. Uh we gave them a tour of
[2:16] uh the city parks. Um Mr. Walsh is on
the uh budget committee up there in
[2:23] Olympia and um they wanted to see
firsthand um what that funding um that
[2:29] they approved can do for our community.
And so uh we we showed them Warden
[2:35] [snorts] Park which is a completed
project and we showed them uh Mcmurphy
[2:39] Park which hasn't broken ground yet. So
we had good examples for for that. So we
[2:44] were very happy to see uh Warden Park
and and how well it turned out. So that
[2:50] was that was fun.
Uh wastewater treatment operator. So our
[2:55] longtime employee uh Bill Wilson is
going to [snorts] retire at the end of
[2:59] the year and so we'll be uh looking to
um open up a a job um posting for that
[3:06] position.
Uh, Friends of Little Falls, they had
[3:10] their uh, concert event this last
weekend. Um, was really great. I mean,
[3:13] there was a lot of people that came all
day long. And so, thank you, Friends of
[3:17] Little Falls, for um, more putting on
those fundraisers to help eventually
[3:22] build an amphitheater.
Uh, any council reports tonight?
[3:28] » I got one on I Street. They chip sealed
that.
[3:34] » Yes.
That's nice. It's really nice. Except
[3:38] getting out on 506,
it's already getting holes
[3:44] because the way you turn onto 506, your
right tire kind of gets lifted off a
[3:51] little bit and so it spins.
I don't know if we can do 15 20 feet of
[3:58] actual asphalt there just for being able
because it's just going to dig it right
[4:03] back up through that chip seal.
>> Is it a Was it an issue with the work
[4:09] done?
>> I don't think so. I just think that
[4:12] because I've always gone down to D
Street and uh but now that that's
[4:19] able to be driven on. I like cutting
through there, but I just noticed
[4:23] getting on to 506, it's always I'm
always got to watch and can't take off
[4:31] at all normal.
>> Totally.
[4:33] » Um because it started to spin. And then
today I noticed that it's
[4:38] a lot of people are having that issue.
So I just think that the way that the
[4:42] road is it should get at least that
launching area.
[4:48] Well, not launching area. Just kidding.
officer. [laughter]
[4:52] » Do you think some of that that that
do you think some of that
[4:57] » do you think some of that ground up or
asphalt that we have from our road stuff
[5:03] would tack down and give it a
>> I don't know I just
[5:09] » patch or anything like that any
suggestions? I think that it just needs
[5:13] to actually get asphalted. So that's
something for
[5:17] » we'll take we'll take a look at it. I
mean the the right guy is here right
[5:21] now. So he's listening intently. So
>> I but I do want to make a comment. I
[5:24] mean arguably you said was the work
maybe improperly done. Arguably it's
[5:29] improperly done if three weeks later
it's not working right. Or maybe they
[5:32] should have said hey this isn't going to
work here. So there is some part of me
[5:36] that's like wait I paid for something.
It's not working three weeks later.
[5:40] There's a mismatch there.
>> Yeah, we'll take a look at it and see if
[5:43] it's
>> loose or if it's just [snorts] a high
[5:46] use area.
>> It's my fault.
[5:49] » It's my fault. Or yeah, maybe.
[5:55] » Okay, other council reports.
[snorts]
[6:00] » Okay, moving on to agenda approval. I
don't have any suggested changes.
[6:08] I'll make a motion that we approve city
council meeting agenda for September
[6:11] 2nd, 2026 as written.
>> Have a motion to approve the agenda. Do
[6:15] we have a second?
>> Second.
[6:16] » Seconded. Any discussion?
>> All those in favor say I.
[6:22] » I.
>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Minutes
[6:26] approval.
>> Make a motion we approve the [snorts]
[6:29] city council meeting minutes for August
19th, 2026.
[6:33] » Have a motion to approve the minutes. Do
you have a second? Second.
[6:38] » All right. Any discussion?
[6:43] All those in favor say I.
>> I.
[6:45] » I.
>> Any oppose? Motion carries.
[6:48] » Who is the second?
>> Jason.
[6:54] » I'll call it out. Trying to be faster.
>> Voucher approval.
[7:01] Make a motion that we approve the
vouchers for the beginning of September
[7:04] 2026 at $26,96947.
[7:09] Motion by Mr. Parsons to approve the
vouchers. Do we have a second?
[7:12] » I'll second.
>> Second by Mr. Hurt. Any discussion?
[7:17] » All those in favor say I.
>> I.
[7:21] » Any opposed?
>> Motion carries. Special reports. Lewis
[7:25] County Sheriff's Department.
[clears throat]
[7:28] » Hello, Mr. Ruben. Good morning.
[7:34] » I have some more information for you
later.
[7:36] » Okay.
>> So, reference the month of August 2026.
[7:41] There was 338 citizen contacts, seven
calls for duty on ship, 12 traffic
[7:47] stops, three infractions,
and total of 29 calls for service.
[7:56] So, that's about it. Any questions?
[8:01] Have [clears throat] you seen any
launching pads recently?
[8:09] [clears throat]
>> Eyes on ice street now.
[8:16] » All right, next special report. Uh
Darren Hutton, building department.
[8:27] » Uh for building, nothing's changed since
last month. Um public works projects on
[8:35] September 14th will be starting the A
Street storm water improvement along
[8:40] with some other miscellaneous projects
around the city that'll go through
[8:43] mid-occtober.
Any questions?
[8:49] You have questions.
[8:55] » Did you have a question?
>> Yes.
[8:57] » What's your question?
>> Just did you hear anything yet about
[9:01] demo community demo for
>> nothing yet?
[9:07] » Yeah, I haven't gotten anything yet.
[9:14] » All right. Public comment. Any public
comment related to the three city
[9:18] business items [snorts]
>> about
[9:22] things above the agenda items? Well,
mine is on here.
[9:26] » Anything on the agenda?
>> Wait till
[9:33] [snorts] no rush if I if I may.
>> Absolutely.
[9:41] » Thank you. I have three other meetings
today. I didn't know I was coming here
[9:44] today. Actually,
>> we have two suits in the audience.
[9:47] » I know.
>> Wow.
[9:51] » Um, it's me again, Spencer Bud
representing TJ Investments and also Ay,
[9:57] another one of our entities. Uh, you
council may or may not be aware. City
[10:01] staff are aware that we own and intend
to intended to conduct short subdivision
[10:06] on our parcels 7148001002
[10:11] and 7148001004
at A Street and Fifth right where the
[10:15] pavement of A Street ends and the gravel
begins. That being said, we've read
[10:19] through the proposal uh that you guys
are going to be considering tonight and
[10:23] we have a few questions based on uh your
furniture improvement requirements for
[10:26] subdivisions. Uh specifically in
question of our parcels, the questions
[10:31] would be would be would we be required
to add sidewalks and street lights on
[10:34] the gravel street or would be would we
be required to pave our section of the
[10:38] street? Would we be required to pave the
whole street up to our section? Would
[10:42] the parcel between ours have to put
their sidewalk on their parcel? If we're
[10:46] putting our sidewalk in on our parcel to
the north and the parcel to the south
[10:51] because there's one between ours. And if
they're not, how does that satisfy the
[10:55] state of requirement in section 25870 of
your proposal that quote frontage
[10:59] improvements are necessary to establish
a safe and functional pedestrian
[11:03] corridor given the two segments wouldn't
connect to each other if they aren't
[11:07] building their section? Uh were any
other options considered by the city
[11:12] other than uh frontage improvement
requirements paid for by the developer
[11:16] in these cases for A Street, D Street,
and the highway between uh the two
[11:20] sidewalk with a nice streetscape. There
are options. It's a good it's a good
[11:24] plan for your streetscape and your your
community's image. Local improvement
[11:28] district was another option that you
might have considered. Uh safe routes to
[11:32] school grant might have been another
option you could have considered. Uh
[11:34] maybe state funding in a capital
request. You mentioned your state
[11:37] representatives were here today. Um that
might get hung up if the design
[11:41] standards that uh are also being
considered by council and pushed uh by
[11:45] planning commission last time um are
approved by the state in a timely manner
[11:49] or stopped by the growth management
hearings board. We as the top builders
[11:53] in your city would offer the proposal
not mentioned in the plan which is very
[11:57] common in other similar communities
which would be a fee inlue program so
[12:00] that you could bank those funds to do
those infrastructure uh improvements
[12:05] that are very important for your
community instead of having these
[12:08] questions posed or maybe having
sidewalks to nowhere or sidewalks in
[12:13] front of one house but in front of uh
not in front of another. So that's what
[12:16] I have for you today. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[12:20] I have a question.
If you're going to com if I was going to
[12:25] comment on one of those three items, am
I supposed to comment before would you
[12:29] or after
>> or do I wait until you guys discuss it
[12:34] and then tell you
>> either or?
[12:37] » Okay.
>> Do it before. You do it before so we
[12:41] have your opinion.
>> Oh, okay.
[12:44] » Because afterwards then we're done.
Yeah.
[12:46] » Well, we're just discussing
we're still
[12:50] » Yeah, we're processing. I mean, the
process.
[12:53] » Yeah. No, there'll be time for there'll
be time for questions on the subdivision
[12:56] stuff. That's fine.
>> You should do it. Very
[12:59] » Yeah, it'll be fine.
>> It's a discussion, not a not a vote. So,
[13:05] » thank you.
>> Thank you.
[13:07] » Other public comment related to agenda
items?
[13:12] » Okay. Moving on to city business item
number one, council to discuss the 2027
[13:17] 4th of July event application and
provide feedback. So last uh meeting we
[13:22] had a a quite a grand uh application
from uh service regarding potentially an
[13:31] event next year for 4th of July. Um
a lot of information in that
[13:36] application. So, um, some of the council
members had, um, questions or
[13:41] clarifications and so we wanted to get,
uh, city council to, uh, vocalize those
[13:46] so that we could kind of put something
together. Obviously,
[13:50] Anson's here tonight, so he he's
listening, but um, we wanted to put
[13:54] together something before, um, so that
the the application maybe could get
[13:58] adjusted accordingly. So, this is your
time.
[14:07] Go for it, Nicole. You're ready.
[laughter]
[14:10] Start us out.
>> Um, so first of all, thank you so
[14:14] detailed. This is a very detailed
application, which I appreciate. One of
[14:18] the hardest things to do when reviewing
a contract is identify items that are
[14:23] missing. Right? It's easy for us to
identify what's here, but to know what's
[14:28] missing, especially for someone as new
as me, um, in this process, is hard. So,
[14:33] I don't expect any of us to have the
answer for that right now, but it is
[14:37] something we need to be thinking about
or maybe the city can guide us.
[14:40] Obviously, there's an application for a
reason. There's steps to follow, but in
[14:44] something this deep, it's hard to know
what we're not thinking about. Um, and I
[14:49] think my two biggest questions are
actually for council, not for the
[14:51] applicants. If we're going to do
something this large, my first question
[14:55] is how are we going to handle parking?
[15:02] You have a second
thought. Do
[15:05] » you want Do you want an answer?
>> If you guys have ideas
[15:08] » for each
>> I mean, if you have ideas.
[15:11] » Well, I think um Well, the the thing
with the parking thing is that they're
[15:15] planning on people parking down here and
then running a shuttle.
[15:18] » Yeah.
>> To back and forth.
[15:20] » I agree. And I think that's a great
idea. Does that mean we're limiting
[15:24] parking other places?
>> That means we're what?
[15:26] » Are we limiting parking other places?
Are we putting signage to make sure
[15:30] people go there? I just think that most
people aren't going to be expecting
[15:34] parking in Mc Murphy. And so we need to
figure out how we're going to manage
[15:39] parking throughout the city,
whatever kind of signage that looks
[15:43] like. And this is an ongoing event
thing, right? I mean,
[15:47] » obviously people can park throughout the
city, but
[15:50] » yeah,
>> I think um the way that is
[15:53] » kind [snorts] of designed is that it
starts early in the morning down here.
[15:57] It kind of draws people there and then
that's when they start shuttling people.
[16:03] » Yeah.
>> Question about
[16:06] » I mean if there's if there's parking in
town like regular parking I mean
[16:13] » there's not a whole lot. Maybe we can
open up the the city lot over there for
[16:19] for parking.
>> Let's just all think about it. Where do
[16:21] we want people to park? What do we want
to protect? What do we
[16:25] » Yeah. There's also the opportunity for
citizens to allow people to park on
[16:31] their property and charge because that's
what they do at the Puallup Fairgrounds.
[16:37] All of Puallup gets I mean
>> if they can fit five cars in their yard,
[16:41] they they fit five cars in their yard.
>> Yep.
[16:44] » They put them in and from five to 10
bucks all over the Puallup area.
[16:51] » Yep.
And then the only other thing, and this
[16:55] again is a big picture thing, I don't
know that any of us have the answer. At
[16:59] least neighbors on my street are really
frustrated with the behavior of the
[17:02] public. A handful of people can really
ruin it for the bunch. I had people
[17:07] laying in my yard, their bikes in my
yard during STP, no respect for the fact
[17:12] that it was private property. Other
people were urinating in bushes
[17:17] » even though there were urinals. Like
this kind of behavior is shocking. My
[17:22] neighbors were very frustrated with
behavior during Fourth of July. I was
[17:25] very frustrated on all of these public
events. You know, I'm starting to feel
[17:29] like I need to put fencing around my
yard, which I would rather not do. And
[17:33] so, it's not something that city council
can solve necessarily, [clears throat]
[17:37] but it is something that we need to be
thinking about. We need to be thinking
[17:39] about our residents if we're going to
have big events like this. And I think
[17:43] we want to, but I don't want angry
residents
[17:46] » either. The parking problem that you
have during the Fourth of July is when
[17:50] the fireworks are going off. It's not
what's going on downtown.
[17:54] » Um, I had people in my yard again. I had
people lighting fireworks off in my
[17:58] driveway while I wasn't home. I I mean,
just complete disrespect for private
[18:03] property, which was surprising for me.
I have it on my Ring camera. It's really
[18:09] a bummer, you know. And so, you just
kind of I don't know what the answer is.
[18:13] Maybe we just have to always accept that
that could happen. sprinklers.
[18:17] » We need to but I do think we need to at
least address it for the residents
[18:22] because I think it's going to as our
events grow, it's not just going to be
[18:25] my street, it's going to be other
streets as well and residents are going
[18:28] to expect us to have some responsibility
for that for inviting people here.
[18:32] » So, those are my questions. I know
they're not specifically for the
[18:35] applicant, but
[18:39] » maybe we can get a [snorts] a thousand
keep off the graph signs and we can
[18:44] stick them all over the place during
these events.
[18:46] » I mean, I'm willing to use a paintball
gun.
[18:48] » Paintball.
>> You have a question? Yeah, I did. I
[18:54] because I wasn't here and James may have
shared some of the information, but
[18:58] obviously for this year's Fourth of
July, we went ahead and vote the field
[19:02] right here off of the highway. Was that
fairly well used? In other words, does
[19:07] anybody know if that loaded up? I heard
that there was quite a few people that
[19:10] went there, but I I didn't see it
personally, so I was just looking for
[19:13] some input on that.
>> If anybody
[19:16] » You live right there. Did you know? Did
you notice James told me what?
[19:19] » Oh, you mean the one right behind U He
Heidi and all them Rockies.
[19:24] » Yeah.
>> Get there via the
[19:26] » I was sending quite a few people over
there. I live on East Street. Okay.
[19:29] » And I sent quite a few people over there
because they were parking and knocking
[19:34] trees down on each street and uh uh was
blocking the whole road in case, you
[19:40] know, fire or police had to come
through. So, I was telling them where to
[19:45] go up on around the corner there, but
there was a quite a few cars out there.
[19:50] » And then, uh, for that event, do you get
any community volunteers to direct
[19:54] traffic?
>> Uh, we didn't have any of
[19:58] [clears throat] that this year. We tried
to do it with um physical barriers,
[20:03] cones, notices, that kind of thing. Um,
so obviously we didn't have anybody
[20:07] actively doing it other than me. Just to
Nicole, just to Nicole's point, it may
[20:13] make sense to have some volunteer
community people wearing some type of a
[20:16] red reflective thing that says, you
know, traffic engineer, whatever you
[20:20] want to put on it, and then have those
people talk, you know, talking to people
[20:23] that are doing nasty stuff in her yard
and said, "Hey, you guys can't do this."
[20:27] » Or even just seeing seeing the line of
cars coming down the hill and just they
[20:31] would see a flagger person and know that
it's parking for the event and they, you
[20:35] know, follow you into wherever you
needed to go.
[20:38] » Yeah. With regard to um D Street, which
is um just in front of where the
[20:43] fireworks were, there's going to be a
larger conversation about how the city
[20:46] should handle that um in in coming
events because
[20:52] there were a variety of issues. I mean,
obviously, no one got hurt. It it
[20:56] happened and everyone had a good time,
but um it could be better. And it's
[21:00] going to take it's going to take people.
>> The first year we did it down there, the
[21:04] whole street was blocked off.
>> Yeah. It was closed and people could
[21:08] still get around. Um,
>> was it Eight Street was blocked off? You
[21:15] could only go one way and parking on one
side and only one way
[21:20] » going out
motor cop up there directing traffic.
[21:26] The other thing that um
if this goes with the promoter a
[21:34] QR code or
so when they go to that in to get
[21:41] information about it have a whole
parking
[21:44] locations [snorts]
already mapped out beforehand so that
[21:49] they can it's part of the event page
of the not just Facebook But but like if
[21:57] they have on the internet if there's a
QR code, people can look at it and go
[22:02] straight to parking.
>> So our biggest parking problem is during
[22:07] the fireworks. It isn't during on down
at a street or at Murphy's Park. It's
[22:11] during the fireworks show itself.
>> Yes.
[22:15] » Yeah.
>> Question.
[22:18] How far away from where that lot that we
have there that we made available
[22:24] parking is the main deal like a block or
two.
[22:26] » It's across the highway.
>> Just across the highway.
[22:28] » Oh, just across the Okay.
>> They could sit in their cars.
[22:32] » Yeah. People aren't going very far then.
Awesome. That's good. [snorts]
[22:37] » So, parking sitting right there.
>> It's almost like a drive a drive-in
[22:41] spot. It was great. Great idea.
Appreciate it, actually. I mean that a
[22:46] lot of the cars that were parked in
there, people were sitting right there
[22:50] watching the fireworks. I mean, you're
you're like this. [laughter]
[22:54] » So, some other other things about the
application.
[22:57] » I was going to say I took this a little
off, but I didn't mean to. But, um, so
[23:01] what do we what do we need to do? What
are the next steps? What are our
[23:04] clarifications? For example, it says we
request the use of all portaotties, but
[23:08] there's no need to change their
locations. Are we making the assumption
[23:11] that they're the same number as last
year? Uh, I think there need to be more
[23:15] personally, but
[23:19] » um, and budget season is coming up so we
could at least consider these items.
[23:24] Please go ahead, Kristen.
>> I just wanted to clarify because in
[23:27] there it said no cost to the city, but
are you expecting everything the city
[23:31] did last year to still um,
>> I wasn't here last year, so I don't know
[23:37] what the city did last year.
>> Well, the city paid for the restrooms,
[23:40] » right? Okay, gotcha. So, are you the
city to pay for
[23:45] » Yeah, there's a couple things like um
not insurance, anything like that, but
[23:51] things to just like more infrastructure
city would be great. It's not a
[23:55] necessary thing. Um but it's one of
those things like it is a city event. Um
[24:01] city doesn't have to like pay a fee to
have us organize this whole thing like
[24:04] you were saying we do an organizer. So
it's a you know we're doing service for
[24:08] free but having more restrooms only for
[clears throat] in that in that case.
[24:13] And how was it last year by the way or
Tristan?
[24:17] » Were there enough restrooms?
>> I was only here in the morning so I
[24:20] didn't see
>> anybody have any feedback on
[24:22] » I do what was
>> um up at the up at the uh fourth
[24:27] » paper
>> up at the fireworks field. Um all the
[24:30] toilet paper ran out and so I had my
kids run some over from my house.
[24:34] » Um it's It's a great
>> It's a It's a burst capacity.
[24:39] » Burst capacity. Is that the right thing
to say when you're talking about
[24:41] bathrooms?
>> Um [laughter]
[24:43] but uh yeah, it was like everyone waited
until 30 minutes before the fireworks
[24:47] show
>> and then there's like
[24:49] » a mass run out.
>> There's like 40 people in line for two
[24:52] bathrooms kind of thing, you know.
>> Were there only two of them?
[24:54] » I think there were two or three.
>> Yeah. It just wasn't enough. The lions
[24:59] people would see the lines and be like,
I'm going to hold it an hour and walk
[25:01] away.
>> Yeah.
[25:02] » Yeah. Oh, they're going to go use a tree
on the cold
[25:04] » yard.
>> Put signage up for us. 20 bucks on the
[25:09] tree.
>> So many [laughter] you can have before
[25:11] it's not
>> back to Mike's point, one of the things
[25:13] that maybe is if you had an available
thing for parking, you could also do
[25:17] where the restrooms are located.
>> Yeah.
[25:21] » So,
>> that's a tough one. Sorry. Um, so the
[25:25] recommended amount for a thousand people
is eight eight restrooms. Um, that's for
[25:30] an all day event though. You combine a
thousand people into one small location
[25:34] for four hours.
Maybe maybe it's a lot. Maybe it's twice
[25:38] the use. I don't know. But I can't see
us putting 16 western there.
[25:46] » Yeah. And that was like how many they
had? I don't know how many they had for
[25:50] STP. They had I don't know a dozen of
them. Something like that. And
[25:54] » And they were still going and they were
still lying. Yeah. Has has anybody
[25:59] considered talking to one of the people
that supply the restrooms and getting
[26:02] the same advertising outlet so that on
the event they would have something
[26:05] posted that advertise their business in
exchange for a certain portion or all
[26:10] that all of that fee?
>> It's a good idea.
[26:12] » They're asking us to Okay, so I just
want clarification. These items under
[26:16] the special request, I'm not quite sure
what Kristen read that said there's no
[26:19] cost to the city. There's a section in
the application under special request
[26:22] that says we request the city pay for
these things, these items. So I'm
[26:27] considering those are things that we
need to be talking about as we're
[26:29] looking for budget. One of those things
is portaotties. One of them is that they
[26:34] wave parking fees. So I do feel like
there are some requests for costs to the
[26:37] city that to me align
>> that we wave the park fees because
[26:42] there's like an application park fees.
So I just would recommend that council
[26:47] specifically look at that part of the
application because the special request
[26:51] items are the items that we're going to
be asked to pay for.
[26:55] Kristen, I'm sorry I wrote on your copy.
I
[26:58] » Kristen, no, you were right. I that was
a mis that was I think I put no cost to
[27:02] the city before um more information came
to me and from different organizers and
[27:09] things and that the thing was like hey
when it comes to things that benefit
[27:12] city um such as or you know more
infrastructure things see what the city
[27:17] can do on those typically you guys can
do a better job I can pricing as well
[27:20] but uh to this gentleman's idea uh great
idea to try to get it just supply or at
[27:27] least get a discount in addition to uh
you know horrifying stage. I don't know.
[27:33] We can do something. But I'll look into
that though because my idea is to to
[27:38] make the city not have to pay money for
anything. But you know at the same time
[27:41] we want to be a partnership with
something.
[27:43] » Does does the city pay for Mayday's?
>> Uh the city pays for Mayday's um
[27:50] insurance and that's it.
>> Okay. Not the outouses.
[27:54] » No. And [clears throat] we do wave their
fees because they're nonprofit. Okay.
[27:58] » And we have we have special event
we put aside money for special events,
[28:04] » right?
>> Yep.
[28:05] » Which a lot of it we use for Fourth of
July, but there's there's generally
[28:10] leftovers.
>> I do appreciate that you're not asking
[28:13] us to pay for insurance for something
like this. It would be very difficult
[28:15] for me as a city council member to
approve that. So, I appreciate you
[28:19] taking that on in this application.
>> Well, you're already paying insurance
[28:21] for fireworks and that's nasty. Like is
it going to go up now or do you know?
[28:26] » It seems like it goes up every year.
>> It goes up every year. It's a reasonable
[28:30] amount though. It's
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like 5%.
[28:33] » Not that not that this is exactly on
topic, but it is about Fourth of July
[28:38] next year is
uh the son of the guy that did it.
[28:46] » Uh I have not had conversations with the
um
[28:53] » [snorts]
>> Your family's
[28:55] » the shooters. Yeah, that's what they
call themselves. But
[28:58] » Oh, that's terrible.
>> Oh, wait a second.
[29:02] » Oh, man. I just watched the news.
There's another school shooting today.
[29:06] » Okay. How about
>> pyrochnic uh provider?
[29:10] » Yeah, I got you. It took me a second
though.
[29:14] » Yeah.
>> Yes. Question.
[29:15] » Um, so obviously it kind of Anyway, you
just talked about some of the cost of
[29:20] the city. So, is this is this a a
revenue neutral event or there's a
[29:27] significant amount of money that we pay
out? And if so,
[29:31] what streams of revenue do we have
circled around the event? In other
[29:35] words, what what streams of revenue do
we bring in to try to make it more of a
[29:39] cost neutral to the city?
>> There are two aspects to the event. So,
[29:42] there's the kind of the the the daytime
festival side of things and then there's
[29:47] the evening fireworks. and they're
they're they're fairly separate events.
[29:53] Um the city has
in in more recent years traditionally
[29:58] paid for the fireworks out of pocket. Um
last year uh two years now, one year,
[30:03] two years, two years, uh we've got uh
some grant funding from uh county
[30:08] tourism funds to uh help offset the cost
of the fireworks, but obviously we don't
[30:13] charge for fireworks, so people can just
stand outside.
[30:16] » Sure. And can I ask roughly what we
think that cost is roughly? I don't I'm
[30:20] just looking for
>> um fireworks around $7,000ish dollars
[30:24] plus insurance is on top of that. Um and
then then there's the festival itself
[30:28] which um this year it made can't
remember the number. I was I don't have
[30:33] it memorized. A couple thousand dollar
>> $4,000. So the festival actually made
[30:37] around $4,000. So um and and food
vendors and pl people like that are
[30:43] paying for their parking spaces while
they're doing that.
[30:46] And we had pretty good turnout from the
food vendors. Like do we do we feel like
[30:50] there's enough to support the event?
>> Oh, yes. [snorts]
[30:54] » Okay. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's been
good overall. So, it's good.
[31:00] » Um All right. So, other feedback for the
applicant with the application. So, we
[31:06] wanted to make sure that they got all
the feedback they needed, questions
[31:10] dialed in.
[31:15] I'm I'm excited about somebody other
than the city doing it.
[31:21] » Hey, I had my hand up. Joe, did you see
that?
[31:23] » Oh, I'm sorry, Sherry. This little city
white icon. Go ahead.
[31:28] Okay. So, uh it says on the application
that it is co-sponsored event by the
[31:34] city and over the last two years, three
council members have said that we are
[31:40] the city is not to be involved in any of
the festival portion minus the
[31:44] fireworks. So, what will the city be
responsible for this year coming up?
[31:52] » Yeah. And I think on the application
there were some uh it was like a
[31:56] multiple choice question and there were
three or four choices and none of them
[32:00] really uh were the appropriate op box to
properly check. So um did you want to
[32:07] feel that that question
>> that what you said is exactly right.
[32:10] None of them none of them fit. So maybe
we had a fifth box in there. But I I
[32:15] figured uh along the lines of the city's
providing the fireworks, city's
[32:18] providing a lot of the services up top
there. And so even though they're two
[32:24] distinct separate entities or or um
events, I should say, uh they still kind
[32:30] of run together, but at the same time,
yeah, I don't know. It's just one of
[32:33] those.
>> It's messy.
[32:35] » I'm just going to disagree with that. I
think they're I mean, while they appear
[32:37] to be one event, technically they're two
separate events. However, there are
[32:41] items in here that we're paying for and
if we agree to pay for those, we could
[32:45] argue that it's co-sponsored. I would
agree with you that it's just an issue
[32:48] with the application. So, it's neither
here nor there.
[32:52] » So, back
then we supported
[32:56] » that seems like a
[33:00] I think one of the big issu the big
things to remember is that nothing is
[33:03] nothing's set in stone ever. I know it's
an application once it's approved, but
[33:07] uh you probably won't work with an
easier two people on Earth when it comes
[33:11] to like, hey, give us some feedback,
let's adjust, let's let's massage, let's
[33:15] change, let's do this, you know, let's
move things around to to make it work
[33:18] for everybody. Um we absolutely cannot
have like things like what Nicole
[33:23] experienced that her can't have that
happening. It's just it puts a black eye
[33:27] on the city, puts a black eye on us.
It's just not that and about 4,000 other
[33:31] things we've been considering. So, this
is one of those things I've really tried
[33:34] to get ahead of everything and figure
out what is going to create the best
[33:38] possible experience for everybody
coming. Um, and what are the the
[33:42] implications of of not paying attention
to these things or overdoing these
[33:47] things. So, uh, believe me, yeah, we we
come at this from every single angle.
[33:52] So, if you do have feedback, please like
please give it to us because we are more
[33:56] than welcome to to adjust and and switch
up and yeah, whatever needs to be done.
[34:02] very valuable.
>> Yeah.
[34:04] » All right. [snorts] So, over the next
week, please uh send any other feedbacks
[34:07] you have to to uh
>> you have any other questions to uh the
[34:12] to Kristen so that we can uh get that
off to the services so we can get that
[34:18] done. Sher, do you have any other input?
>> Um not at this time. Um I'm going to
[34:23] look over the um application some more.
Thank you.
[34:27] » Super. All right. Any other discussion
on this for now?
[34:34] No, thank you.
>> Okay,
[34:37] moving on to item number two, a council
to consider the proposed 2027 budget
[34:42] process calendar. So, think you've all
been
[34:47] Sher, were you involved last year for
budget?
[34:50] » No, I don't think so.
>> No, I was on building and planning at
[34:54] that time. This is a fairly fairly
standard budget calendar. It we uh it
[35:00] includes the various hearings. Um the
meeting dates um everything takes place
[35:06] on our regular council days. So um one
of the council days is um also um
[35:13] set up as a workshop so we can talk at
length um about the budget. I know that
[35:18] was uh something that came up a couple
of times having some longer discussions
[35:22] about the budget.
>> [snorts]
[35:26] » I do know that council member Hansen be
able to be here for that work. I don't
[35:30] know if you guys wanted to discuss
picking another council date, making a
[35:34] special meeting workshop be something to
discuss tonight.
[35:42] » Think about it and not discuss it
tonight if we want to switch.
[35:45] » Yeah, I don't think uh let's see. As far
as postings,
[35:51] when you have to have those in the
newspaper.
[35:54] » So, for the 21st, I'm going to have it
in by the 8th of October.
[35:57] » So, there my apologies. Um, by the 24th
of September, I have to have that one
[36:03] in.
>> So, we'll have another council meeting
[36:06] by then.
>> Yes.
[36:08] » Yeah. Our next council meeting with the
16th.
[36:12] » So, yeah, we do have time to think about
it. [snorts]
[36:15] » Thank you. before we put public notice
out for those hearings.
[36:22] And just keep in mind, not everything on
the some of that stuff on that calendar
[36:26] is for city staff, right? It talks about
getting things off to the newspaper and
[36:31] um there's also when to expect my the
letter from the mayor regarding the
[36:36] budget and things like that. So,
>> okay.
[36:41] » Okay. All right. Well, we'll have this
on the agenda then for the next meeting,
[36:44] too. So, please double check your
calendars and make sure that you're not
[36:48] uh absent [snorts] for any of those
vital the vital uh meetings um in
[36:53] particular.
[37:18] lost volume.
[38:14] So, it says lost volume. Can you guys
hear me?
[38:29] People
[38:42] are getting bored listening to nothing.
[38:47] » Okay, you guys are back on.
>> Okay, I'm gonna hit the button again.
[38:52] Hit a different button again because
you're probably
[38:54] » Yeah, I know. But she can hear me. No,
>> she can hear me, but she's not going to
[38:59] be able to hear the other people.
>> Okay.
[39:03] » All right. Sherry, can you hear us now?
>> Yes, I can hear you now. I lost it lost
[39:10] all volume.
>> Jason, can you address her? Can she hear
[39:13] you?
>> Hi, Sherry.
[39:15] » Hi, Jason.
>> Oh, good.
[39:18] » If I'm on the wrong audio device, these
microphones don't work and it's just the
[39:22] laptop.
All
[39:27] right.
So, that's never happened before. Okay.
[39:32] So, moving on. We were talking about the
budget calendar and having it on the
[39:36] agenda for next meeting. Okay.
>> Got it.
[39:43] » Uh, last item, uh, council to review and
discuss short subdivision code updates.
[39:49] So, we have here is suggestions. Um
Darren actually uh put it together with
[39:54] some uh recommendations. So the idea
here is to go through it tonight um step
[40:01] by step, make sure council understand
what's in it, make sure you agree that
[40:05] it's the right step, and then we'll send
it to the consultants um to
[40:12] make sure that uh it fits all the
standards that it needs to. We just
[40:16] didn't want to send it to the
consultants first until we made sure
[40:18] that the council um thought it fit. So
So Darren, take us you take us away.
[40:27] » Yeah.
So uh while we reviewing our short
[40:32] subdivisions, we noticed that our codes
in the short sub subdivisions are the
[40:37] same as the long subdivision. So we
decided we wanted to remove some of the
[40:42] requirements for short subdivision.
uh requirements that we're looking at
[40:47] removing are sidewalks required and uh
illumination.
[40:54] Instead, we'll go with a uh giving them
several different options. instead of a
[40:58] sidewalk
and illumination, they'll leave and
[41:03] whatever the engineer and I decide to
leave room for, uh, easement or right
[41:09] away for future sidewalks, but they will
still be required to do gutter and a
[41:15] rolled [snorts] curb. So, we'll still
have that appeal that curb appeal.
[41:21] Um, as far as roads, [clears throat]
uh, it'll either be HMA or we've given
[41:26] them the option of, depending on soils,
we'll give them the option of, uh, chip
[41:31] seal. We have a hard surface for
emergency vehicles and trucks like that.
[41:36] But the chip sealing will be more like
on lighter traveled streets. Your
[41:40] heavier travel streets will probably be
required at HMA. So,
[41:48] those were some of the major changes.
Now when you say sidewalks you is that
[41:54] also along 7th
>> D and A.
[42:00] » So yeah. So our
>> like what they're what they're asking.
[42:03] » Yeah. So 506
um is kind of our boulevard.
[42:08] » Anything on 506 and then A and D are our
main arterial streets.
[42:14] » Anything on those we will have block
requirements
[42:18] because those are our main avenues.
So, there's a chapter there's a section
[42:23] in the chapter that covers that. Um,
I am looking at adding in here
[42:32] to uh do 100 blocks of that because like
Spencer brought up like where they're at
[42:37] down there on a street, it's not paved,
it's gravel.
[42:40] » I wouldn't want to require sidewalks to
nowhere
[42:44] » right
>> down at that end. So I'm thinking maybe
[42:46] from fifth to the sewer plant, you know,
that section D street on the farm to D
[42:54] street
>> because isn't that the end of the
[42:56] historic
>> Yeah.
[42:57] » this anyway. So
>> but do we but do we need to write
[43:01] exceptions like that into the code or
could we just allow no
[43:05] » like verbally allow like you know you
can come to this table and have this
[43:08] conversation rational. I mean and we
have the variance option and stuff like
[43:13] that but
>> it's something we can talk about
[43:16] » but if you leave it open like that then
you let personalities get in play. If
[43:21] you say well we may approve something
and like for something that you don't
[43:28] want to approve says leaving something
open like that leaves it open to back
[43:33] door deals.
>> That's what variances are for.
[43:36] » That's why we said the variance. Yeah.
But appearance is more cost to the
[43:40] developer.
>> 350 bucks or something. It's not crazy.
[43:43] I mean, it's a developer,
>> but it's still more cost. And so why
[43:46] have it open like that when it's
[clears throat] left open to
[43:49] » the problem is not every project is is
the same. And so you set one set of
[43:53] standards without any any way to um you
know fit a certain area. Um you know,
[43:59] you kind of box yourself in. So you need
to have flex some flexibility.
[44:04] » But I can hear both of these. I mean
this is very rational what you're
[44:07] saying. both of you, right? And so I I
could see us adding what you're saying
[44:12] to A and D Street. It's only two streets
that we're saying we want sidewalks on,
[44:16] so we don't want sidewalks from fifth to
the end of the road. I I mean, it's easy
[44:20] for us to add that if it makes it feel
more
[44:24] » lothifer
owns three larger lots down there. If he
[44:28] wanted to cut those up and give them to
his grandkids or something, then he
[44:33] would have to go through the short
subdivision process, put in sidewalks
[44:36] down past Daily,
>> which he's he's tried to subdivide that,
[44:40] but it's there's a lot of wet land down
there,
[44:43] » right? But if you wanted to, you would
have to go through that process down by
[44:46] your grandma and grandpa's place and he
would have to put in sidewalks. It would
[44:50] be mandatory according to this. Did they
just say short sidewalks for examp
[44:58] but but
>> D street the uh gravel starts at fifth
[45:03] so it' probably be stopped that
>> he's between fifth and sixth
[45:07] » so he's across from well kind of where
your grand
[45:11] » so those three lots if he wanted to do
that he would have to go through that
[45:16] process and put in sidewalks
>> or or we give him a varian
[45:20] bearing.
>> So that's something to keep in mind.
[45:23] It's not just bigger developers that
would be impacted. It's smaller people
[45:28] that there's a lot of big lots in this
town. You know, where I grew up on a
[45:32] street that's past, so it may not apply,
but um there's nine or 10 acres down
[45:38] there. If somebody want to cut that up,
they'd have to put sidewalks in because
[45:41] it's a street.
>> Well, [snorts and clears throat] this is
[45:43] for this is only for short subdivisions.
So nine nine or less parcels, right? So,
[45:49] we're talking about very small
developments, not the larger ones.
[45:52] Larger ones would have to
>> Well, they could cut that up into four
[45:55] or five lots. That's what I'm saying.
Keep that in mind that larger lots, you
[46:01] know, and in in our case, we have we
wanted to cut off two acres and get rid
[46:06] of it. We would be on seven. We would
have to put in sidewalks that go
[46:10] nowhere. And then you get to Fertile
Smith's place and he doesn't have one or
[46:16] whoever lives there now and it it would
drop down to nothing. So it it kind of
[46:24] cuts things up. You've got a sidewalk
and you don't have a sidewalk and you
[46:27] have a gravel road and you have a well
that kind of goes [snorts] that's the
[46:31] way it is everywhere. I mean if you look
at Windlock right now their sidewalk
[46:34] goes and then stops and sidewalk ends.
And I know in Vancouver there was
[46:41] um sidewalk ending
locations where just that developer took
[46:48] it to this and then the next developer
takes it.
[46:52] » When that old house right here gets torn
down and it's rebuilt, they have to put
[46:56] in the sidewalk kind of thing.
>> Yeah.
[46:59] On 506 though, you have like where James
Wans are that place, you know, that's
[47:06] going to border 506 unless he puts in
Sixth Street and comes off of Sixth
[47:11] Street. And ours is so high the sidewalk
would have to be up on the on the bank
[47:17] instead of down by the road. So then
they'd have to jump off the bank to get
[47:22] » No, you'd have to put a bridge in.
[laughter and snorts]
[47:26] » One thing you do is an overlay. zone
separately, too. That would that would
[47:30] do it,
>> right?
[47:31] » Just like your historic district is.
>> Okay, I got us a little off topic. Okay.
[47:37] I like your idea of putting if it's just
two streets and we're going to say past
[47:41] the gravel, we don't need to have I like
that idea.
[47:44] » Did planning commission weigh in on
this?
[47:46] » No. Okay. You're first.
>> Okay. I just I always have to remember
[47:50] the process. Is there any You said these
are some of the major changes. Are there
[47:53] any other major changes that you want to
highlight for us?
[47:56] » Uh, no. Those were the major major
changes.
[47:59] » What Darren, when you were explaining
the the sidewalk paintings, did you say
[48:03] that they still have to put in the rolls
curb?
[48:06] » Yeah, we're still going to do curb and
gut.
[48:09] » So, the options for curb for curb. So,
the idea is if you I wish I I didn't uh
[48:14] Are there pictures? Did you put pictures
on that?
[48:16] » No, I did not put the picture.
>> Okay. And I didn't put the protector up.
[48:19] There are um some visuals, but
>> a roll curve. You have the option of a
[48:24] rolled curve or a mountable curve.
So, if you've not if the So, the
[48:29] mountable curve is a regular regular
square one you're familiar with. Um, but
[48:33] there's other ones that are more uh
>> Yeah, they're rolled, but
[48:37] » it usually rolls up to a sidewalk. So,
it would just be on the property line.
[48:42] Well, not on the property line. It'd be
>> city right away.
[48:46] » It'd be in the city right away. And then
there would be room between that and the
[48:50] rightway line for future.
>> So, like a street is right now.
[48:55] So like 8 Street is right now, right?
>> I get because right now it goes curb and
[49:02] then grass, but that's still where the
sidewalk should
[49:06] » go. Okay.
>> Maybe we can receive pictures after.
[49:10] » Yeah, I'll send those out. I have some
>> good ones about what it would look like,
[49:15] but I mean, we've all seen pictures
before of what that looks like in a
[49:18] neighborhood that doesn't have uh
sidewalks and it looks pretty sharp.
[49:23] So,
>> so who's the administrator that makes
[49:26] these decisions? Is that you?
>> It says administrator. Is it Darren?
[49:32] » Right. It'd be the building the building
department and in conjunction with the
[49:38] city engineer.
>> Just those two,
[49:42] » right?
>> Not the planner. Are you these people?
[49:46] But usually like they work in
conjunction with the planner, but some
[49:49] of the the individual construction items
are usually outside of the planner
[49:54] scope.
[49:58] » Is that the for the variances also?
>> Do you is it just you that takes care of
[50:03] the variances?
>> Me and the engineer.
[50:05] » You and Okay.
>> So used to do variances.
[50:12] » A question on that. depends on
>> something that Cindy brought up a long
[50:17] time ago is we got the kids walking down
the streets and stuff like that because
[50:21] we don't have any sidewalks. If we don't
have them put in sidewalks now,
[50:28] [snorts] when do we have them put
sidewalks in in the future? And who's
[50:31] responsible for that? Because the
builder is no no longer around.
[50:37] See what I'm saying? Because do do we
just want streets in our city with no
[50:42] sidewalks in it?
>> You know,
[50:45] » there's no there's hardly any sidewalks.
>> This is a this is a
[50:51] it's kind of a catch22 situation where
if we if we start if we require
[50:56] everything, so you got a short
subdivision, someone comes in, they want
[50:59] to build five houses [snorts] and we
require the kitchen sink of of
[51:04] neighborhood development, right? where
you've got lamp posts and sidewalks and
[51:08] curves and gutters and paved streets. It
with the cost of construction nowadays,
[51:14] » there's not enough profit in those five
houses for them to come in and build all
[51:19] that stuff. It just doesn't pan out. And
we've heard this um and we've heard this
[51:25] from multiple sources. It just it just
doesn't pan out. So unless you have a
[51:29] really large development and then of
course then um you can build all that
[51:33] stuff and still have enough money uh to
to actually do it. So by the city
[51:37] requiring all this stuff, we're we are
stifling um
[51:42] » building the these developments. And so
so what do you do, right? Do you do do
[51:47] you keep requiring it and then never
have anything but really large
[51:51] subdivisions or do you kind of pair down
these situations where you've got
[51:56] smaller developments so that we can
actually encourage that um and then
[52:02] limit the types of things that go in.
So, like Darren said, in the planning
[52:07] process, we would still include enough
rideway
[52:11] um so that someday sidewalks could be
put in whether it's the city pay for it
[52:16] or we get grants or whatever. Um so, it
can happen. Um it just wouldn't happen
[52:22] now and so [clears throat] you've got to
pick now or later.
[52:27] » We we just had a speaker though remind
us that fee and loo is an option for
[52:31] developers, right? So what that means is
that there's a certain amount of money
[52:34] that they give to us and we put in a
fund for city improvement. So that means
[52:38] if developer A does this part, developer
B does this part, developer C, and they
[52:42] all put in their individual sidewalks,
it ends up looking like a mess because
[52:45] we have one this way, one that way, one
that way. If we all ask them for fee and
[52:48] lie up, when we get enough money for a
strip of street, then we oversee it. We
[52:53] do the whole thing at one time and we
oversee it, but we have them give us
[52:56] money. That's so I think the enlu is a
good option for a city this size because
[53:02] it it you know helps them avoid those
costs right now and helps us grow our
[53:06] city in the future when it's
appropriate.
[53:09] » Did I understand that correctly?
>> Can I make a comment on that to John too
[53:13] is that you just like Joe said it is a
it is a fine balance. So, I can tell you
[53:19] that 100 years ago, I bought this house
in Millsboro with a really great big
[53:23] backyard. And I went to the city and I
said, "Hey, I want to cut this in half."
[53:28] And they said, "We don't want you doing
that." And I go, "Well, you guys have
[53:32] 6,000 square foot lot minimums and if I
cut this in half, that's 10,000 square
[53:37] feet." And they came back to me and
said, "Ask us for variance and we'll
[53:40] give you two 5,000 square feet lots."
Now, why did they do that? because they
[53:45] want the tax revenue from the increase
of the people and it was it was fairly
[53:50] what's the word it it synced up with
what kind of the rest of the
[53:54] neighborhood plan was but back back to
Joe saying if you don't get development
[53:58] through some of these things then you
end up not getting the revenue either
[54:02] and I understand the balance between
doing it nicely and and then charging
[54:07] all these fees but like he said kind of
like it's kind of like cost
[54:12] uh cost. Um,
oh gosh, sharing the cost between the
[54:18] amount of homes. That's why it just
makes sense. You can't share the cost
[54:21] between five homes and come out good.
But like like Joe said, if you if you do
[54:25] type 100 homes, that percentage of each
home's cost is divided out into those
[54:30] things and that's why it makes it it
makes it more more affordable.
[54:34] » Well, the reason I was asking that is
back in the day we lived in Sherwood,
[54:38] Oregon. I bought a piece of property
that had a house on it. We subdivided
[54:43] it, you know, to put my in-laws next
door and we were required to put in a
[54:48] driveway and a sidewalk to extend to the
end of the property and still paid an8
[54:54] $8,500
um beautifification for the city and
[54:59] that was back in '94.
>> That's because they're in Oregon.
[55:03] » I was going to say they're brilliant. We
didn't do that. Let's charge that. The
[55:08] other the [laughter] other thing that
you'll find is that in the in the more
[55:11] populated areas there are more
requirements because they realize the
[55:14] demand for housing is bigger. And that's
another thing that you end up with here,
[55:17] you know, and and it was brought up in
one of the previous meetings. Like if it
[55:21] becomes too expensive, people aren't
going to get going to move to Bader.
[55:24] Well, what was brought up is that people
of Bader can't afford houses. We're not
[55:27] talking about people of Bader. We're
talking about attracting somebody from
[55:30] whatever, Castle Rock or some other area
that's being priced out of their home or
[55:35] wants to get more out in the country and
they want to live here. Those prices
[55:39] have to stay, you know, attractive to
get people here. And and I just tell
[55:45] you, this has already been talked about,
but I have a a beautiful manufactured
[55:49] home in Toledo, you know, on an 8,400
foot lot, and it's I mean, we we pit set
[55:56] it. We got 24 24 garage and it's a great
little piece of property. We're having a
[56:00] hard time getting around 380 out of that
right now and we shouldn't be but you
[56:05] know what prices have adjusted down a
little too right now. We know that we we
[56:08] we look at the market and and because of
interest rates things are jumping down.
[56:13] I think the Fed's doing it on purpose
and I think they are. They they want to
[56:17] slow down that freight train but with
that the developer still the cost of
[56:20] your materials and your labor kind of
going up. So it's squeezing that margin.
[56:25] So that's what has to be taken into
consideration. It's just it's it's just
[56:29] not a super easy deal. So when we see
some of the the manufactured homes
[56:33] around here that are selling for 320,
330, it doesn't really matter if they're
[56:38] super nice or if it's just a brand new
space where people live in there kind of
[56:41] going, "Hey, I can afford to live
there." So they're going to do it. But
[56:44] if we drive up those costs, we won't
attract that development to bigger.
[56:48] That's just the realities of it. So it's
it's a catch 22. And I get it. But a big
[56:53] large commercial builder can he's got a
combination of things where it's got
[56:57] this crew that works for him, you know,
and all these other things and systems
[57:00] and programs and they can absorb that a
little bit better than a smaller.
[57:05] » Am I getting interrupted you earlier? I
didn't mean to. Did you still want to
[57:08] say something?
>> So Joe, what are we being asked to do?
[57:12] Thank you.
>> Um, well,
[57:16] the idea was to take take a look at this
like Darren said, he summarized uh what
[57:20] it is and in a nutshell. It it um
doesn't require sidewalks in these
[57:26] smaller developments. It doesn't require
uh lamp posts in the smaller
[57:30] developments. It does um officially open
up options for different kinds of curve.
[57:37] Um it does open up options for chip seal
roads instead of as asphalt roads. Uh
[57:42] these are all things that um still gives
the city a really good neighborhood uh
[57:47] without um high cost to the developer
and opens the door keeps the doors open
[57:52] later so that we can put those things in
if we need to. So
[57:56] » didn't that's what I was going to say
the so the curb so that we have the room
[58:02] to do it later. All of the buildings are
going off the property line though,
[58:07] right?
[58:10] » Yes. Yeah. So the setbacks from the
property line, not from the improved
[58:13] road service.
>> Yeah. So So that area for like 10th
[58:18] Street for instance, that's still there
for us to do whatever we're going to do
[58:26] to it. So,
I'm not quite sure what we're meaning
[58:34] they have to have that area there, but
like
[58:37] » it's
>> I mean it's our our land. They build
[58:39] their house in
>> there, but
[58:41] » we leave that gap between the curb and
the sidewalk and it's usually going to
[58:46] be 8 to 10 feet and it's not just for
sidewalk, it's for utilities and stuff
[58:50] like that. So,
>> it was more just uh we're just making
[58:54] sure council understood that
um there the neighborhood will be built
[59:00] in such a way that
these improvements can be added later
[59:04] without issues with property property
lines. So we just wanted to make sure it
[59:08] was clear that that could happen.
>> Okay.
[59:12] » So are we having people trying to build
on the property line?
[59:19] Didn't you have a neighbor neighbor come
in here and was complaining about that
[59:22] she built that fence if we were going to
widen the road there
[59:25] » and pave the road there alongside your
place. Her fence was almost all the way
[59:30] out to the street and it was on the city
right away.
[59:34] » Um
I don't remember
[59:37] » when when when you brought it up for us
to approve the city street. Huh?
[59:43] » F Street. Yeah.
her her fence was
[59:46] » that street's a good example of what not
to do.
[59:48] » Yeah.
>> Right.
[59:50] » Yeah. But [clears throat] I don't
>> know what else to say about that.
[59:54] » But to be totally honest with you, and I
can say it because I live on that
[59:57] street, if you build your fence,
>> sorry,
[1:00:01] » on the road or in the middle of the
road, that's your problem.
[1:00:05] You need to stay in your boundaries.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, you could legally I
[1:00:09] think the city could come out and just
give them 30 days to remove it. quite
[1:00:12] frankly not on their property.
>> F Street's a bigger issue. There is no
[1:00:16] way.
>> It's a private. It's a private drive.
[1:00:18] » Yeah. I was going to say, let's just use
a different example.
[1:00:21] » Property lines.
>> Oh, no. I like to talk about F Street.
[1:00:23] » No talking about F Street.
>> No F Street.
[1:00:26] » We cannot be here all night. We cannot
[laughter]
[1:00:30] » never My opinion is that you can't solve
all those problems here tonight. That's
[1:00:33] what variances are for. And you examine
one of those individually and then you
[1:00:37] move forward on it. The bottom line is
we can talk about infinite possibilities
[1:00:40] tonight and it's not going to resolve
it. But
[1:00:42] » question
just one second. Can I ask Darren for
[1:00:45] just clarification? But Darren, what
you're saying is you can't build a a
[1:00:48] building on that property line, but we
could put a fence up and then if
[1:00:52] somebody wanted to come in and put a
sidewalk, we say move your fence.
[1:00:55] » We have setbacks.
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure the
[1:00:57] rideway line is to their property line.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:00] » The front yard setbacks are 20 ft.
>> Okay. Thank you. Sorry. Go ahead.
[1:01:04] » No. Um, again, we're on Seventh Street,
so if we had talked about taking that
[1:01:09] two acres that we wanted to cut off and
give it to our oldest son when he gets
[1:01:12] out of the Navy this year and just let
him have it, but he still we still have
[1:01:18] to put a sidewalk in because he's he's
going to want to build a house on that
[1:01:21] two acres and it says improved with a
new building. So, if we gave him that
[1:01:27] two acres, it's still a subdivision.
We're still cutting one lot into two.
[1:01:32] And
if he builds a building, build a house,
[1:01:37] he'd have he'd have to put in the It's
still a subdivision.
[1:01:41] » This is where the variance comes in.
>> Yeah. So again, it's a variance.
[1:01:44] » I mean, yeah. I mean, if it just didn't
make sense to put a sidewalk in front of
[1:01:49] one house up on the hill by itself right
now, you know, we probably would not be
[1:01:53] required.
>> So that's our bottom. I mean, we're
[1:01:56] irrational sometimes, but hopefully not
that irrational.
[1:01:59] » [laughter]
>> And that's where the flexibility in the
[1:02:02] code needs to come in so that
>> when you see ridiculous situations like
[1:02:06] that, you know, it can be
>> Yeah.
[1:02:09] » But that was you had to that's why I was
wanting you to do some leway.
[1:02:15] » Um so anyway, so tonight uh what we're
asking for council is are there any
[1:02:19] necessarily any object objective to this
these things? Um obviously we can it
[1:02:24] still opens. We still have the ability
of adding some fee and loo type
[1:02:29] situations and things like that. Um, we
can but as far as these code changes,
[1:02:36] are we
>> I like them. I think they look good. And
[1:02:39] thank you Darren for doing them.
>> I'd like Darren's recommendation. Do you
[1:02:45] do you want them approved as they are or
do you want us to change that one?
[1:02:48] » I do want to change the road like Fifth
Street South.
[1:02:53] » Thank you. So, so we can uh then we'll
get these sent off to the consultants so
[1:02:57] we can get a real draft to you. Not that
this draft isn't good, but
[1:03:01] » thanks
>> with that change.
[1:03:04] » Yes.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
[1:03:05] » All right. Super. Thank you.
>> Good stuff. All right. Uh public comment
[1:03:11] on any items at all.
>> You want to say 6 Street for D Street?
[1:03:19] » Jen, can I ask is this the comment you
emailed me? Um, so there is the packet
[1:03:24] and this is just a request to look at
that packet. Okay.
[1:03:29] » Is that one?
>> They all have it in front of them. I
[1:03:31] just wanted to make sure we were talking
about the same thing.
[1:03:33] » So this is a public comment to look at
your public comment.
[1:03:38] » Yes, it is.
[1:03:44] » Good evening, mayor and council members.
I'm asking the council to act with
[1:03:48] urgency on the agricultural and land use
code changes already submitted because
[1:03:51] the impacts are no longer theoretical.
They're already affecting local
[1:03:55] families, farms, and investment
decisions. In the July response to my
[1:03:58] questions, the city stated that Vader
does not intend to restrict lawful
[1:04:01] agricultural uses through annexation and
acknowledge the importance of local
[1:04:04] farms and nurseries. Yet, under the
current code and its interpretation,
[1:04:08] we're already experiencing real
consequences. We've delayed purchasing a
[1:04:11] greenhouse because a new greenhouse
might be treated as an expansion
[1:04:14] requiring a conditional use permit with
associated fees and a public hearing.
[1:04:17] That delay has already cost us the
opportunity to take advantage of a
[1:04:20] time-sensitive promotion that may now
mean another growing season without a
[1:04:23] greenhouse limiting what we can start,
protect, and produce next year. We also
[1:04:27] do not have clear guidance on whether
preparing and planting additional
[1:04:29] agricultural ground for next season will
trigger another cup. The city's response
[1:04:33] refers to the expansion of an area
already established for agriculture, but
[1:04:37] does not define that area objectively.
For working farm, uncertainty about
[1:04:40] whether we can prepare a field, invest
in seed, or expand production directly
[1:04:44] affects planning for the coming season.
These impacts extend beyond agriculture
[1:04:47] because we cannot currently move forward
with an ADU that we had planned without
[1:04:50] city sewer or water. We are now
considering outside care options for an
[1:04:54] aging family member in declining health
rather than creating housing to support
[1:04:58] them for support for them on the farm.
These are all timesensitive decisions. A
[1:05:03] missed planting season cannot be
recovered later. A purchase opportunity
[1:05:06] can disappear. Decisions about a care of
an aging family member cannot remain
[1:05:09] unresolved indefinitely. The broader
effect is also economic. When residents
[1:05:13] cannot confidently invest in their
homes, farms, and land, the projects
[1:05:16] that could support local builders,
contractors, suppliers, equipment
[1:05:20] dealers, and trades are delayed or
abandoned. Money that can be invested
[1:05:23] locally is instead spent on services,
facilities, and resources outside of
[1:05:26] Bader. We understood the annexation
would bring regulatory changes. What's
[1:05:30] difficult is being subject to those
restrictions before the city has
[1:05:32] established clear objective standards
for appropriate rural and agricultural
[1:05:35] properties it chose to bring under its
jurisdiction. The city has already
[1:05:39] acknowledged months ago that was
considering allowing agriculture as a
[1:05:42] fully permitted use in the areas without
city utilities and creating more
[1:05:45] objective agricultural standards. I ask
the council to please move these
[1:05:49] discussions into action. We are not
asking to be exempt from building code
[1:05:53] setbacks, critical area protections,
fire safety, or other reasonable
[1:05:56] regulations. We're asking Bader to adopt
clear, workable standards that do not
[1:05:59] unnecessarily eliminate development
opportunities that Washington law
[1:06:03] otherwise supports. For example, under
RCW 3678 6811C, qualifying jurisdiction
[1:06:10] must allow up to two ADUs on single
family lots. Vader's restriction of ADUs
[1:06:14] to properties only with public sewer or
water effectively excludes many
[1:06:18] residents from that opportunity with
large portions of the city remaining
[1:06:21] unserved. Vader should create lawful ADU
pathway for those properties rather than
[1:06:25] allowing lack of municipal utilities to
function as a blanket prohibition.
[1:06:29] Months ago, we were told that our farms
and nursery were important to Vader and
[1:06:32] we're asking the city to de demonstrate
that commitment by addressing the
[1:06:36] unintended consequences that codes are
already creating. I respectfully ask the
[1:06:40] council please prioritize these
amendments before more families lose
[1:06:43] opportunities, delay investments, or are
forced to meet their agricultural
[1:06:46] housing and caregiving needs outside of
the committee. Thank you. Or community.
[1:06:49] Thank you.
Thank you.
[1:06:53] Mayor,
>> I have a question.
[1:06:54] » Yeah.
>> Part of what I'm hearing from residents
[1:06:57] is that the city said there would be,
you know, some kind of 5-year window
[1:07:01] that would protect all of their current
activities. Then I'm hearing residents
[1:07:05] say, well, no, I went to a different
meeting and was told that no longer
[1:07:08] exists. And then I'm getting comments,
you know, in this moment that say like
[1:07:12] this is urgent because it's interfering
with my life. And you know, I sort of
[1:07:15] thought, you know, if there's a 5year
window, we have time to do right by
[1:07:19] these residents. And that was part of my
argument. And I'm also feeling a little
[1:07:24] bit confused because I'll hear one
moment I spoke to someone who said,
[1:07:27] "Nope, the ADU is ADU issue has been
resolved. U residents are happy." And
[1:07:32] now I'm hearing maybe that's not fully
the case from a resident's perspective.
[1:07:36] And I don't really know. We've never
done anything this big. So I don't
[1:07:40] really know what the clear pop forward
is, right? I don't think that every
[1:07:44] council member should be expected to
investigate this in detail and be able
[1:07:48] to answer this and help understand it
and and you know look up the state law
[1:07:53] federal law you know let's not get crazy
and county and city laws. So, I guess
[1:07:58] what I'm asking is, you know, how do we
get clarity on some of these items so
[1:08:04] that residents feel like they have more
clarity? So, I feel like I have more
[1:08:07] clarity. You know, do we bring James
back and say, "These are a couple
[1:08:11] questions. Do we get them together and
send an email?" I feel just at a loss
[1:08:16] when a resident says to me, "That fiery
protection you said is there is not
[1:08:19] there or someone else is telling me it's
not there." I'm sort of like, I don't
[1:08:22] know the answer, you know? And so what
is the best way forward to be at least
[1:08:28] thoughtful about
these questions
[1:08:33] » or maybe we can talk about it after and
you can help me understand. But
[1:08:36] » the city hasn't received any
applications or requests for any new
[1:08:43] construction or any activities in the UG
since the annexation,
[1:08:48] » okay,
>> was completed. Okay.
[1:08:50] » And so no one's been denied because no
one's asked.
[1:08:53] » Okay.
[snorts] And the questions that have
[1:08:56] come to the city, the city is responding
to those questions. [snorts]
[1:09:02] » Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have I mean,
we've
[1:09:06] » I would definitely look at your
>> look this over. Definitely.
[1:09:11] » So, Gemma, I have some questions that
I'll reach out to James and see if we
[1:09:14] can get to the bottom of some of the
conversations.
[1:09:17] » James is the one that said it was a
misunderstanding on a fiveyear for me. I
[1:09:21] don't know about other residents, but
that's where
[1:09:23] » y we'll continue the conversation.
>> And with regard to um ADUs, the planning
[1:09:29] committee spoke at length about ADUs at
the last meeting. Were you there with
[1:09:34] » um and uh and so um the issues regarding
um our code saying that it needs to be
[1:09:41] hooked to water and sewer and things
like that. Obviously, when you're a half
[1:09:46] mile from water and sewer, that's that's
not a requirement. And so, um, if anyone
[1:09:50] did apply that, you probably would just
get a variance.
[1:09:53] » A variance.
>> But, um,
[1:09:55] » are you are you Rafter 7?
>> Raptor 7.
[1:09:58] » Rafter 7 farm. Where where are you?
>> We're just up on the road. Right next to
[1:10:03] Weiss.
>> Oh, okay. Right.
[1:10:06] » Um, so, um,
>> yeah, on the front side, the orchard's
[1:10:12] in the back.
>> We don't have to have her give her
[1:10:14] address [snorts] on [laughter]
>> I I was confused.
[1:10:20] got she's got farming property. I think
that kind of
[1:10:23] » that narrows it down, right?
>> Um but yeah, with ADUs, it was just got
[1:10:27] that at length at the planning committee
meeting and James was already putting
[1:10:31] together um some adjustments that would
fix these discre discrepancies,
[1:10:36] » right?
>> And so it was just obvious or at least
[1:10:40] written down instead of being this just
doesn't even make sense anymore. So
[1:10:44] » So a lot of that work on it already. If
you want an AD, bring it to us like
[1:10:48] right. I mean, we can have a variance
that you don't need to be connected to
[1:10:52] water.
>> Is that going to make it a
[1:10:53] non-conforming structure then that turns
into another legal?
[1:10:57] » Again, I don't want to say exactly
legally what [clears throat] it is or
[1:11:00] not. That's what James is for. Um, but
we have an application.
[1:11:04] » Yeah, we need an application.
>> I don't know. I I can't say.
[1:11:08] » Well,
>> I mean, you're not going to be denied
[1:11:10] because you can't hook up to
>> public utilities when you're a half mile
[1:11:14] away,
>> right? Well, that's part of our
[1:11:17] frustration is that that's what the code
currently says. So,
[1:11:22] » can can I can I ask about the greenhouse
situation?
[1:11:26] » The greenhouse. So, we were looking at
one of the little Genesis buildings, but
[1:11:30] it's a larger building in the code or
the response the July response from
[1:11:34] James. He said that the conditional use
permit would be for the agricultural
[1:11:40] use of that land and anything that was
to expand or grow that would need to go
[1:11:48] through a public public hearing with the
hearing examiner which will require fees
[1:11:53] [clears throat]
to be able to have that conditional use
[1:11:57] approved to be expanded because it is
still a non-conforming use since it's a
[1:12:02] residential lot and not an agriculture
lot. So my request has been instead of
[1:12:05] putting agriculture into
um the non-conforming
[1:12:13] uses, put it into the conforming uses
for R1 is been my request. So that way
[1:12:18] we don't have to worry about the
concerns of if our field is we're
[1:12:23] tilling a space and increasing the
intensity of putting tillage where our
[1:12:27] hay field is so we can put gar.
It's a big I was going to say we don't
[1:12:32] we can't solve individual residents
comments during public comment but I do
[1:12:35] think we like we're all
>> I can get an understanding of it as
[1:12:38] well.
>> Yeah, we we hear you and we'll continue
[1:12:41] the conversation.
>> Stupidest question probably. How do you
[1:12:45] have an ADU without utilities?
>> Well, they can
[1:12:50] » they can put septic in well
>> but not
[1:12:54] » currently.
It says it must connect to public
[1:12:57] utilities for
>> again our code. Yeah.
[1:13:00] » Doesn't make sense because it's
[1:13:04] » ads are brand new.
>> It's being worked on.
[1:13:07] » We're in the city. We have a well
subject. So, if we put an ADU, it would
[1:13:10] have to be well subject, but we're
currently
[1:13:17] » there things that need to get polished.
Like I said, it was discussed at night
[1:13:20] » or in the bill
>> probably be on the topic of the planning
[1:13:23] committee next week even. Maybe if it's
so far distance from public utilities,
[1:13:28] then it's exempt from that and then you
could allow them on the subject.
[1:13:31] » Yeah,
>> we have lots we've already had lots of
[1:13:35] conversations.
>> It's Darren says it's already on next
[1:13:37] week's agenda.
>> Yeah, we've already had lots of we know
[1:13:40] what the options are. I think it's just
>> it's already being worked on.
[1:13:43] » It's process. Okay.
>> Other public comments tonight? Anybody?
[1:13:48] Yeah, I have I have uh some input on the
>> curb curbs and gutters. Um you got to
[1:13:56] take in consideration you're not going
to put the water in the ditch now.
[1:14:00] You're going to be running down the
street. So the city's going to have to
[1:14:04] provide some kind of collection system
which will cost the taxpayers. That's
[1:14:10] something to think about. And also um
behind the school there's the wetlands
[1:14:17] area which we don't really have wet
anymore. That's a area to look at so far
[1:14:22] as parking for the 4th of July. Thanks.
>> Thanks.
[1:14:31] » I had a comment. Sorry I've had my hand
raised but
[1:14:36] » hi. I would [clears throat] be there but
I don't think you want my pestilence.
[1:14:40] I'm
currently ill. Um, at any rate, um, so I
[1:14:46] kind of was wanting to back up what Jen
was saying because one of these years we
[1:14:52] [clears throat] would like to finish our
high tunnel. We have the frame. Um, we
[1:14:57] just have to finish getting it uh,
anchored to the ground
[1:15:01] and then eventually plastic and whatnot.
So obviously I want to make sure stuff
[1:15:06] doesn't affect me to be able to continue
on that route. [clears throat] So I want
[1:15:12] to kind of just back up Jan on her
comments as well. And then additionally
[1:15:18] on a different subject,
kind of going back towards public events
[1:15:24] and whatnot,
um my husband and I did attend um for
[1:15:29] about an hour and a half the um event
that they had at Mc Murphy Park.
[1:15:35] [clears throat]
And although I was disappointed in my
[1:15:39] husband's behavior, I was also quite
dismayed and disappointed
[1:15:44] how the city council or not sorry city
council but the security that they had
[1:15:51] behaved. It was
I kind of got towards I got brought into
[1:15:57] it at the tail end because I was in my
son's car. He has a classic car. It
[1:16:02] didn't want to start when we wanted to
leave. Although it had started all day
[1:16:05] long, we think the car is possessed.
But at any rate, um by the time I was
[1:16:12] brought into alteration,
I was quite shocked at the security's
[1:16:17] behavior, um having been in the medical
field for several several years. I've
[1:16:24] had deescalation training and I was
quite shocked at how they were
[1:16:29] escalating the situation again and again
and again when all my husband wanted to
[1:16:34] do was get our car started and leave.
And
[1:16:40] today, if I'm not mistaken, all these
quote unquote security guards are
[1:16:46] volunteers.
And so they really honestly should have
[1:16:53] some deescalation training at a minimum.
And I'm not going to
[1:16:59] annoy
what's going to happen when we have all
[1:17:04] these larger events where alcohol's
involved and you get an actual
[1:17:07] belligerent drug. They cannot behave the
way they did with my husband who's just
[1:17:13] a pissed-off old man that his car won't
start
[1:17:17] drunk and not expect it to go to so
fast.
[1:17:22] So, if you want more details about what
happened, I'm happy to fill you in, but
[1:17:26] I didn't
>> if you call um what do you think next
[1:17:32] next week if they she called and talk to
you directly
[1:17:34] » or send an email?
>> Um if Le if you called and talk to city
[1:17:38] hall and uh kind of um
let them know exactly what happened, we
[1:17:43] can feed that back to the event
coordinators. I'm sure they would want
[1:17:46] to know.
>> Yeah. Who
[1:17:48] » told us what event?
>> It it was the car show this weekend.
[1:17:53] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:17:55] » Okay. Thank you for [clears throat]
that. I'm sure they'll want to know.
[1:17:58] » So, just call city hall and ask to speak
with whom?
[1:18:01] » Yeah. Chris Marina could take the
message, too, I suppose. So, yeah, just
[1:18:05] give city hall a call, talk to uh Marina
or Kristen and and and just let them
[1:18:10] know what happened so that information
back.
[1:18:13] » Yeah, because Yeah, they they need more
training. It it was it was it was silly.
[1:18:17] It was I was shocked by everybody's
behavior. But thank you.
[1:18:22] » Thank you.
Any [snorts] other public comment
[1:18:25] tonight?
[clears throat]
[1:18:28] » All right. This meeting is adjourned.
Oh, wait. City council comment.
[1:18:32] » Thanks. [snorts]
Did you catch my face? I was like,
[1:18:34] » I wasn't going to say anything.
>> Stop.
[1:18:40] » Didn't feel right. Um, I've actually
looked uh I'm actually going over the
[1:18:44] the manufactured home codes that we just
approved. Again, there's some things in
[1:18:48] there that I got questions about. Okay.
>> And I will have I'm bringing them to the
[1:18:53] next council meeting.
>> So, um,
[1:18:57] talking about lowering lowering um costs
for individuals, there's things in there
[1:19:02] that
don't make sense anymore. Uh,
[1:19:07] » okay.
[snorts]
[1:19:10] » Would you like a my my first I the first
thing that I' I've I know that's in
[1:19:15] there is the is the concrete foundation
that goes all the way around the thing.
[1:19:20] Um, if it's already on a concrete pad, I
don't see I wouldn't see any reason for
[1:19:27] them not to be able to use like a
>> center block.
[1:19:30] » No, I think that's very costly. Hardy.
Not hardy, but you know. Yeah.
[1:19:36] » Yeah.
>> And because it's not touching ground,
[1:19:39] it's it's you know, I just think that
there's there's things in there that can
[1:19:44] cut some costs that are unnecessary, but
I want to ask
[1:19:50] the planning as to why these are that
way.
[1:19:54] » Okay.
[1:19:57] Just a forewarning,
>> if you have time, will you send them to
[1:20:00] the mayor in advance so we can read them
because that's Thank you. If you have
[1:20:05] time, if not, we'll listen here.
>> Other comments? I was reading today,
[1:20:11] city of Toledo
is hosting a meeting on the 16th of
[1:20:16] September at 6:30 uh in the evening
about uh earthquakes and disasters, how
[1:20:24] the
communities, the cities around us would
[1:20:28] respond to them. And uh we're going to
have workshop there and stuff. So that's
[1:20:32] going to be on the 16th of September
over there. You know, something we've
[1:20:38] never had is a representative from uh
Lewis County Department of Emergency
[1:20:42] Management come and talk to us. They're
going to be there.
[1:20:45] » That would be kind of neat to to do.
>> We have had that person come and say
[1:20:50] pretty much if there's a disaster, we're
on our own.
[1:20:53] » Yeah. [laughter]
>> So, that's why we have the gates right
[1:20:57] up at the top of the hill.
>> Two schools of thought, but um
[1:21:01] » that was a joke.
and they love what they do and they love
[1:21:07] to talk to you about it.
>> Thanks for that.
[1:21:12] » Uh then I just really quickly want to
tell people about the carousel project.
[1:21:16] The community group organizing this went
to the current site up in Snowqualami
[1:21:20] last week. So now they actually
understand how big this project is,
[1:21:23] which is exciting. In two weeks, we're
talking to a nonprofit and asking them
[1:21:27] for their support to bring it to Vader.
So we'll see how that goes. Um and we're
[1:21:32] just appreciate community support. it
going to go? Where would it sit?
[1:21:36] » We'll have to think about properties
that are available in the city.
[1:21:40] » Right in front of Little Crime,
>> but there's that property on the corner
[1:21:44] there, you know, that has that we just
got. There's also the right in the
[1:21:49] center of town, the pocket park. But I
also
[1:21:53] So there's there's places
>> to answer your question. It's quite
[1:21:56] large and so we'll need to have
conversations about where it can go.
[1:22:00] Right now it's just in a lot of pieces.
So we'll have to restore it and continue
[1:22:04] conversation. Thank you for asking.
>> How because from what I understand it's
[1:22:07] a wooden carousel. Is it going to be
enclosed?
[1:22:11] » Yes.
>> Yep. We'll do a capital project to raise
[1:22:14] the money for a building.
>> Yeah.
[1:22:16] » Yeah. It's big project
way.
[1:22:21] » Yeah. An idea might be to like get one
of the characters or one of the what and
[1:22:26] like put it in a a display case so
people can see like what we're
[1:22:32] » I'm going to talk to local business
owners to see if they'll let me put them
[1:22:34] in their businesses. Jason
[laughter]
[1:22:37] » here goes four tables
>> like in Portland when they paint like or
[1:22:42] something.
>> Yeah, that'd be cool.
[1:22:44] » Good idea.
>> We'll do all the things.
[1:22:47] » Pocket promotions.
>> Thank you for asking. Yeah, cool.
[1:22:49] Thanks. That's it. I got a great idea
for that little pocket. Anyway,
[1:22:54] [laughter]
>> you didn't say anything. You're the last
[1:22:55] one.
>> Add something.
[1:22:56] » I'm good. I'm good.
>> That's a good ending.
[1:23:00] » Me, too.
>> Let's go.
[1:23:03] » Do you have any input?
>> You left us.
[1:23:05] » She doesn't have any input.
>> Okay. Uh well, then this meeting is 7:25
[1:23:11] p.m.
>> Thanks everyone. Thanks for staying.
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