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to see this. And secondly,

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the. The. Pardon me,

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I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be rude to interrupt any other delegation.

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Please, just. So, Councillor Russo,

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I support this motion. Okay.

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Our goal is. You know,

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I'm surprised. I really am surprised. What's going on here?

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Further, the last thing I'm going to say is this.

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Councillor DeBoer, you declared a conflict with this, and you're sitting at this

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table. And I really disappoints me that this is happening.

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So. You know, this is the third time I've. I've brought this to your attention

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publicly. And maybe further action is going to need to

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be taken in the future. Thank you, Councillor Russo. And chair and council.

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Thank you, Ms. Briyoshi. I don't see any questions.

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Moving on to the next delegate, I will now call upon Ms.

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Cheryl Connors to speak to the same agenda, item 12.1.

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Council Russo to approve draft plan of subdivision submitted by Malone

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Given Parsons for Brook Valley Development. Hang on.

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Sorry. Whoops. Didn't mean to do that. Stop. My phone.

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Hang on. Sorry about that. Hello. Sorry about that. So,

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first of all, I just want to say again, planning meetings in the afternoon on

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really important topics are very difficult. Sorry, just your name for the resume.

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Cheryl Connors. And I'm just here as a resident, not representing anyone but my.

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Myself. So first of all, I want to say again,

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planning meetings on such important topics in the middle of the day are really

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inconvenient for those of us who work. This all was brought to

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my attention at the very last meeting. I have nothing prepared. I'm not reading a

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speech. But this is an issue I've delegated on before. Sorry, this is a development

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I've delegated on before. So I felt really compelled to hop

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in the shower. Don't even know if I'm dressed. Race over here to speak to

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it. So a few things.

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When this came up the first time, when the MZO was requested,

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and at the 11th hour,

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the province informed Calden that

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the Greenbelt lands would be removed from the application and that MZO

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never went ahead because then the Greenbelt scandal broke and it's

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all under investigation from the rcmp.

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And all of that. But at the time at the public

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information meeting, I did have the environmental site assessment and

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spoke about my deep concerns about the greenbelt

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land and how and how and

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how important those lands are and that we should be doing our best when developing

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to make sure that they're protected.

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So that's a significant wetland at

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the south end of the property. There was unevaluated wetlands

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and you know, somebody needs to

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speak out. What I don't understand, my concerns

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are all about process. When the 12

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zoning orders were approved, we were told, I mean, one of my big

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concerns was the public would be cut out of the process. We're not going to

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have a voice in what our communities look like. But we were assured

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that the community would be able to be involved when these subdivisions

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came forward and that we would have a voice. But here, once again,

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a subdivision is being approved and there's not even a staff report and staff

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making the recommendation for it to go ahead. So once again,

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the public isn't being doesn't get the opportunity

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to go ahead. This particular plot of land does

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include greenbelt. My really quick look at it looks

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like there are houses going through that. The wetlands in

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the north part are being looked at. I don't really know because I don't see

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a staff report. I emailed you this morning. I guess you didn't get the email.

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I don't see the linkages to the website. I don't

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see, you know, if there's comments from conservation

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authorities as to how that important greenbelt

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land is going to be protected.

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And that's the problem and that's how the public is being cut out of the

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process. These are precedent setting cases

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that if you do this for one subdivision and one particular developer,

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then why wouldn't every developer not do the same thing?

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And if the purpose of pre zoning land for developers is just to

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avoid land tribunal costs, does that mean we're

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just going to skip the planning department? And then we just may as well

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tell all our highly paid planners that

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their services aren't needed because to the best of my knowledge,

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members of council aren't planners. You don't have

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planning degrees, not your responsibility to understand

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the technical requirements of a subdivision.

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And then going back to what may be the purpose of all

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of this, you know, housing crisis attainable,

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housing affordable, whatever that that means.

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I still don't believe that expediting this is going

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to do anything to make those houses built any

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faster. And let's just look at what is going on in the world

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right now. We have the potential for 30% tariffs from Trump.

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You know, most of LA just burned to the ground. They didn't have a lot

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of water. Canada has water and we have water in our green

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belt. And as ontarians, we decided

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the green belt was important to protect.

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So if you feel the need to develop on these lands, let's at least

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do so carefully, cautiously to

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assess to ensure that as

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much of the greenbelt land will be protected, that the development that you're building

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isn't, isn't going to be damaged by what you're doing.

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And I still haven't seen any fiscal plans and how

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the burden of this infrastructure isn't going to be borne on

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the existing taxpayers. Because I'm telling you, we are

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in trouble. If those tariffs go in

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and you go to the grocery store, it might cost you $20 for,

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for that lettuce or broccoli or cauliflower.

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Long term planning could be all thrown out the door.

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So why are we rushing to do this?

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I don't believe a motion from a councilor to

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approve a subdivision without that going through the normal

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process of going through staff, coming after a recommendation

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of staff, as all the highly paid planning folks

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have made a decision and brought it forward to staff with their recommendation

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that you look for that. That's the process that we

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work under. And it's like Calden has just decided that

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all of the decades of planning in

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this province, all of the legislation, all of the processes,

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while imperfect, just don't matter anymore

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because we're just going to do this developer driven planning

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which isn't going to build good communities.

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So that's really all

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I had to say. I just am really disappointed that this is

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once again how

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you feel that you need to do this. I don't understand why

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a council representing Wards 4,

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5 and 6 is bringing this forward in Ward 2.

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I think you have lots of issues on our side of town that should be

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looked at. I think this should be coming through from a

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recommendation from planning staff. And I'd like to once again

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ask for a full, transparent process where the public does

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get the opportunity to view what's

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happening, make suggestions for improvement,

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because that builds better communities and it assures that council makes

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decisions based on the best advice of the people

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that have been hired in this town and that it's done so in a fiscally

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responsible way that isn't going to be put the burden of paying

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for all this development on the backs of existing residents.

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Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Connors.

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Moving on. I believe that's all the delegates. Moving on

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to staff reports, the next item on the

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agenda we have had. Two of the items were

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dealt with in consent. Moving on to

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Staff Report 10.3. Staff Report

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20250015 RZ2024 0025.

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Broccolini ZBA holding

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symbol. May I get a mover or a seconder on that? Moved by

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Councilor Sheen, seconded by counselor early that

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the bylaw attached. Is there any discussion on this? Seeing none

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that the bylaw attached as schedule C to

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Staff Report 20250015 be

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enacted to amend Comprehensive Zoning Bylaw 200650

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as amended to remove site specific holding

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symbol H34 from specific

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lands which per. Will permit the intended development of

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the property for industrial purposes.

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Are there any questions on the motion? I see. Councilor Sheen.

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Thank you. Chair Russo. Can I just ask staff to very briefly talk

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about why we're in a position to remove the H on these properties?

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I. I think I know the answer, but I just want to button it up

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for the public through

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the chair to the councilor. I'm going to just step in with a little

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bit of how we got here today and then Mr.

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Hughes can get into a little more of the detail. This goes

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back to council in December where delegated Authority

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for lifting Hs was pulled back from staff to

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give to council. So we. What we did here today was actually rush to get

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a report because we wanted to ensure that development could proceed on this property.

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So that's some of the context that I wanted to offer. And Mr. Hughes will.

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Will provide a little more detail. That's good. Thank you,

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Mr. Hughes. Thank you. So through the chair,

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perhaps as council may be aware, staff have been reviewing

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associated development applications that speak to land

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uses that are permitted on these lands. Going back

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to the zoning matter,

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as noted through the delegation, this was dealt with through the Ontario Lands

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Tribunal. And at that time it was highly

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desirous of staff to. Excuse me, ensure that

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the road extending out to Heartlake Road be

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constructed and opened. So in working with the

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developer, the holding symbol that

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was incorporated within the zoning and approved on the property

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through the OLT prescribed that certain

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matters take place. That in the end, and that

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was through subdivision agreements and other associated documents,

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staff had some level of understanding and concern control as

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to how that would transpire. And I think, as the committee

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may be aware, we were successful in ensuring

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that construction was commenced.

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And that is happening at this point in time.

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In terms of a brief update on the opening of that road I

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did speak to engineering staff just prior to this meeting

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and they've indicated that the hope is that that

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road will be open in the early to

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mid spring of this year.

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There's matters that they've been working with the region,

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appeal for some pavement and lighting,

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and those are the next things that need to be dealt with in the season,

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of course, doesn't assist for construction purposes.

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So work is continuing to progress on

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that road because the associated

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agreements and all those types of things have been dealt with.

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Engineering staff have signed off on the release of the holding.

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Staff were comfortable in bringing forward a report to council for

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their consideration that removes that holding.

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The lands are still subject to site plan approval or

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are subject to site plan approval. There is an application that has been filed.

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My understanding from the applicant is that they're probably going to resubmit

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an application and move through those processes

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in the near future, for which then we will be addressing some

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of the matters that the delegate did raise

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that speak to access, landscaping,

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compatibility with some of the surrounding land uses and those types of

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things. Okay, so it's fair

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to say that there's been some extended negotiations with

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the developer around this area,

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and as I recall,

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approval for this subdivision, I guess, was highly contingent on

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completing Abbotside way out to Heartlake, is that right?

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I would suggest that's correct, yes. So through those OLT processes,

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staff worked diligently to ensure agreements

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were in place and would suggest that we're

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now seeing the fulfillment of that. Right.

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As I recall, it was a painstaking process and probably the first

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time I was ever involved in something that looked so

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simple, yet seemed to take so much work from staff and the developer to

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get it done. So I just want to give

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thanks to the staff and to the developer because

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I believe they started construction on that road finally in August and

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said they would get it done by the end of December. And from all intents

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and purposes, for me anyway, looking over the barriers,

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it looks done to me. I understand there's a bit of a holdup with

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respect to hydro and that some other landscaping planning

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was going to happen in the new year anyway. First time I'm

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hearing that the scheduled opening is early spring.

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Hopefully that can be sooner than later, but nevertheless,

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we're way further ahead than I really thought we'd be. When I heard it would

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be done in August or when I was first told it would be done by

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the end of December, I was a little skeptical, but it looks done to me.

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So, anyway, thanks very much for all your work. Thank you.

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Thank You, Councillor Sheen, Councillor early through

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you, Chair. I need to get on the mic before Councillor

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Sheen because he often takes a lot of my thoughts, but I have. Hi,

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Rob, how are you? Just a couple things and I think you covered them

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first of all. And Councillor Sheen did as well. Really pleased to see this road.

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The community needs this road desperately. It's long time coming and we've been

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dealing with this application. I think it started last term of council, but my

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biggest concern is what the delegate brought forward and

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that's obviously the trucks turning east

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to Heart Lake and then the

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mitigation of sound and barriers to all of the homes on

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the other side. So how can we be guaranteed. And we're very thankful that

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we actually that the whole did come back to staff so that we've got a

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staff report and have an opportunity to talk for the public.

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Because while I know there has been newspapers and

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there's been communication to the public, I suspect that many may not

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still be aware that a warehouse might be coming in as imminent.

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So it is a concern and I just want to make sure when they start

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calling that we can answer those questions.

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So, through the chair, as noted, a site plan application

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has been filed with the town. What they're looking to build is

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a warehousing structure. As to whether

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they'll follow through with that and file

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something that's a resubmission that's in keeping with that remains to be

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seen, but there are a range of uses

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that are permitted on the lands and it's perhaps a bit premature

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to fully understand as to what the development form would will be

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on the property. Likely. However, it's likely

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it'll be a warehouse product.

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I did take note of some of the matters that the delegate had

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identified because they were worthy concerns

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and comments. And certainly staff would be looking

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through the review of that site plan application to take those

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matters into consideration. In particular, access onto

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Abbott's side, some of the landscaping matters, urban design things.

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It's premature probably at this point to comment as to how that may

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actually play out. Site plan approval

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is not a public process, so there is no announcement to

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nearby residents that applications

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are on file. But at the same time, members of the public are able to

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view applications applications and speak with staff and understand what some of those

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impacts will be and comment, et cetera. So that's

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where we're at at this point. I just. I just really want to

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go back to the truck turning because I'm pretty sure we had conversations with Broccolini

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in the past. But just for Me, it would be pretty critical.

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I can't see them going west and onto Kennedy and then trying to force onto

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Mayfield. So I would hope that that will be somewhere in the process as

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well. Is that whole piece right? Because that's. So that's been noted.

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That's something our engineering and transportation staff would be

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responsible for purposes of commenting on. Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Nothing at this time. Councillor Sheen, another question

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I am going to come back to staff. It's really important to me that

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truck traffic gets diverted away from Kennedy going forward.

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And that was my understanding was that Kennedy would become a no

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truck traffic route from Mayfield to Abbotside

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when the warehousing came in along there. I don't know if it was. I wouldn't

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say it was promised or guaranteed, but that was my understanding

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was that truck traffic would be divided, diverted eastward,

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which really is kind of critical to the neighborhood.

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So I'll leave that with you. I don't know if you can answer. Maybe you

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could answer. Maybe you could explain.

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Sorry. Then what? Some of the challenges are around getting

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there through you. Chair to

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Councillor Sheen in full transparency. I don't have my head wrapped around

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the issue at hand. I need to take that away and review it with

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staff so I can commit to coming back to you with some of these

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responses. But I don't have a position on it yet. Fair enough. Thank you.

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And Councillor Sheen, to be fair, I think this is where the site plans,

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process is. What all that will be distilled. But appreciate that

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is an important issue to the community there. Not seeing

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any other questions, I guess. The motion has

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been read. Are there any other discussion

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items on the motion? Then moving on

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to the clerk for the vote, please.

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Councillor DeBoer in favor.

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Councilor early in favor. Councillor Kiernan

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in favor. Councilor Mascal? In favor.

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Councilor Napoli in favor. Councilor Rosa

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in favor. Councilor Sheen in favor. Mayor Groves

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in favor. Chair Russo in favor.

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Through the chair. The motion carries. Thank you. We move on to Item

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10.4, Staff Report 20250026

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Proposed Traffic Safety advisory committee a

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mover. Councillor Napoli.

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Seconded by Councillor Rosa.

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And I'll read out the motion that Bylaw 2025001

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being a bylaw to establish a traffic safety advisory committee

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and provide its terms of reference attached as schedule B to

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Staff Report 20250026 be approved.

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Any discussion on the motion?

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Seeing none. Move. Oh, Councilor early,

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sorry. Through you, I'm very good

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with this. I just. I know the terms of reference are still being developed.

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And I noticed on the research that many of the other

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municipalities had a school trustee as part of the group.

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And I'm just wondering, would that be part of the consideration? Because I

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think we're still going back to look at the terms of reference. Right. And then

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it will come back to us. So I just wanted to maybe somebody. Oh,

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there comes Mr. Klingenberg. I believe

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Mr. Klingberg is preparing to answer that.

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Through the. Through the chair to Councilor

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early. The school board chair as an appointee

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on the committee was considered, and we determined

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it would be most viable to have them as a point of

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contact instead of an appointed member where they could

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vote. But they are in the terms of reference,

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from my vantage point. Sorry, from my.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but they can be in the terms

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of reference as a point of contact, but not a voting member.

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I think we should at least give some consideration. I know certainly

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both the Catholic and the public has been of help in Councillor

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Sheen's ward in Southfields on several occasions where we've had. And then we

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worked with transportation to kind of correct some of the issues. I just thought it

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was great when I saw that in other municipalities. So just for your consideration.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you.

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Any other questions to the motion?

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Seeing none. Asking the clerk to call the vote,

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please. Councillor De Boer.

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In favor. Councilor Early? In favor.

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Councilor Kiernan? In favor.

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Councilor Mascal? In favor.

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Councilor Napoli. In favor. Councilor Rosa?

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In favor. Councilor Sheen? In favor.

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Mayor Groves? In favor. Chair Russo?

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In favor. Through the chair. The motion carries. Thank you.

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Moving on to. Are there any other notices of motion

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to be presented at today's meeting?

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Seeing none. Moving on to motions.

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The next item on the agenda is motions. As I put

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forward the motion on item 12.1 to

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approve the draft plan of subdivision submitted

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by Malone given Parsons to Brook Valley Development. I will vacate the

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chair and have Councillor Rosa assume the chair.

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It.

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It.

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The motion moved by Councillor Russo. Councillor Russo, do you

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have anyone seconding this motion? Councillor Napoli.

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All right, so the motion is, whereas an application for draft pan approval for the

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above noted lands has been received by the town, and whereas council

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has enacted an OPA for the said lands at its

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council meeting held on December 17,

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2024. And whereas the letter dated December 19,

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2024, the draft plan of subdivision application was deemed

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complete as of December 13, 2024 in

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accordance with the Section 51.19.1 of the

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Planning Act. And whereas notice of application was given on

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01.02.2025 in the accordance of section 51.19.4

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of the Planning act and whereas Council now considers it appropriate to

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grant draft plan of subdivision approval to the above noted lands,

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now therefore be it resolved that the approval is hereby given to

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pursuant of section 5131 of the Plan to

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the draft plan subvision prepared by Malone Given Parsons

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dated March 28, 2024 revised to December

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4, 2024, the Plan and a copy which is attached hereto

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as Schedule A, the plan is approved subject to the draft

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plan conditions attached here to the Schedule B. Approval of

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plan shall lapse at the expiration the expiration

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of five years from the date of approval of the plan.

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Is there any discussion on this motion? Councillor Russo?

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I prepared a little something so I'll just speak to that so that giving

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some context, I also felt propelled

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to ask or answer a couple of the questions that Mr.

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Axworthy had brought forward.

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The complete application pertains to the

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checklist of items that staff have and the reports

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that were provided. So that's the checklist that they are provided

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that is delegated authority to staff and staff makes

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the actual approval. So as I've

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indicated, I prepared a little something, a preamble, an explanation

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for my motion. It may be a bit long winded, but I

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feel that the issue is important enough to spend a bit of extra time

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on the matter. While I feel the merit definitely exists

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on why I am putting forward this motion, I acknowledge

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land use planning is complicated and often challenging for the average

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resident to comprehend, so I hope this helps somewhat.

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Rationale, History, Equity and Legacy Although this

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application has been predominantly dealt with this

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term of Council Mayfield West Phase 2 Stage 3 lands

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the reality is these lands as a whole

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Phase 2 lands have in fact a 25 year plus

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legacy of planning and being on the books with the town of

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Caledon. That said, for clarity, a brief chronology

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is that this application was brought forward 10-17-2023

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by the area councillors Sheen and Early to and I

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believe unanimously supported by this Council to be accepted.

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It has been circulated to all the appropriate agencies and

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staff and a statutory public meeting has been

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held on this. These lands have been rezoned by this

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Council and further propelled by the future Caledon

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OP process where this Council unanimously supported

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these lands moving forward in the process and most

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recently the secondary plan and OPA for these

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lands were dealt with and again unanimously supported by

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this council December 2024, leaving the remaining

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process draft plan of subdivision outstanding and

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this process is delegated to staff and not subject to

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the public process. This would never even be before us at this

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point in time. So I feel that that's why a

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little bit of an explanation is required in

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terms of equity. We are striving as a council to treat all applicants fairly

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and equitable through staff and via the mayor and some

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councillors. This applicant was persuaded several times not

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to appeal their application and work through the town process.

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This applicant now sees neighboring parcels that did

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not choose to do so and did not choose to work through the process which

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they are totally entitled to do and take the OLT route and

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have their items dealt with in parallel and in their entirety

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be approved via the OLT both secondary plan

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and draft plan. This negated any application

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fees collected by the town and in fact costed US

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dollars negotiating via OLT settlement, not through the regular

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process. So why get involved now?

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I feel this application is unique enough and has so many variables that

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makes it distinct enough to bring bring it forward immediately.

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Particularly with all the other necessary approvals having

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already been obtained via the regular planning process,

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they are now complete. Also, let me be very clear

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what this motion is seeking. With all the approvals now in place,

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this process would typically, as indicated or as mentioned,

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go into the purview of staff and respectfully,

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the normal process is that this never is seen again from

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the public or even this council, oftentimes until

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it is either deemed approved or we will be waiting for some other

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notification where the councilors,

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if this is approved, get an email informing us the

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process is complete. What I am seeking

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from this council is that we approve the draft plan

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in principle. But in principle isn't final,

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it is with significant safeguards and conditions which

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I will touch upon further and this process follows

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the usual protocol. I dismiss the argument of

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precedent, of precedent forming which does not exist

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in land use planning regardless. But as mentioned,

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we are trying to provide equity in time frames and not

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penalize those that choose not to appeal to town and stay the course.

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This mitigates potential litigation and adjudication that often

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cost the municipality thousands upon thousands.

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Further, these lands are the most probable and definitely

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the most viable to continue to physically be built out in

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the upcoming years. I checked with our building department.

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Phase two, stage one and two lands made up almost a quarter of our permits

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in 2024. In these unpredictable economic times,

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these lands with servicing already in place are a

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natural progression to complete the box and mapping set out

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years ago. So with this, and in part, these are a few of

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my whys. With this motion I obviously

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make it apparent that I feel the matter is important enough to intervene.

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However, I do acknowledge it is very seldom that we do so and

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feel these instances instances should be the exception,

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01:31:17,152 --> 01:31:20,384
not the rule. However, I also do not prescribe to the

484
01:31:20,392 --> 01:31:23,104
argument that we've never done this before. Well, frankly,

485
01:31:23,152 --> 01:31:26,672
perhaps where instances there should have been some instances

486
01:31:26,736 --> 01:31:30,752
that council should have. We as the board of directors should intervene

487
01:31:30,816 --> 01:31:34,256
when we feel strongly enough about an issue. This council definitely

488
01:31:34,288 --> 01:31:37,472
has the authority to do so and I argue should do so

489
01:31:37,496 --> 01:31:41,220
when it feels it is in the best interest of its residents and businesses.

490
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:47,006
But I am not a planner, nor am I a lawyer. I did

491
01:31:47,078 --> 01:31:50,382
however, spend years adjudicating over land use planning matters with

492
01:31:50,406 --> 01:31:54,398
the LPAT and OLT and have a higher understanding and knowledge

493
01:31:54,494 --> 01:31:58,414
than many. But I still do not profess to be an expert.

494
01:31:58,542 --> 01:32:02,558
But I do use the assets before me, both planners and lawyers whom

495
01:32:02,574 --> 01:32:07,086
are the experts and assist and assisted in assisted

496
01:32:07,118 --> 01:32:09,960
to make sure the interests of the town are protected.

497
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,576
I believe we went above and beyond with a 40 plus page

498
01:32:13,688 --> 01:32:17,400
and 170 plus draft condition. Draft conditions that were

499
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:19,912
written and vetted by our town staff,

500
01:32:20,016 --> 01:32:23,816
TRCA staff and legal that need to be fulfilled

501
01:32:23,848 --> 01:32:27,240
or cleared before final approval. So with all those

502
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,872
conditions, why approve? Draft plan of subdivisions are

503
01:32:30,896 --> 01:32:34,168
frequently approved with numerous draft conditions. However,

504
01:32:34,224 --> 01:32:37,912
in this case, perhaps even more than usual. So again I ask, with all

505
01:32:37,936 --> 01:32:41,432
those conditions, why approve? Approval gives certainty to

506
01:32:41,456 --> 01:32:45,432
the applicant that their application has been taken seriously. Timelines are

507
01:32:45,456 --> 01:32:49,592
now in their hands and clarity is provided to what is needed for

508
01:32:49,616 --> 01:32:53,416
the town. We too have certainty that conditions are our

509
01:32:53,488 --> 01:32:56,808
conditions with no risk of an OLT adjudicator diminishing

510
01:32:56,824 --> 01:33:00,352
the number of conditions or altering them in any manner not

511
01:33:00,376 --> 01:33:04,112
favorable to the town, we cannot predict the future, nor should

512
01:33:04,136 --> 01:33:08,256
we simply be averse to appeals. However, when the process is kept

513
01:33:08,288 --> 01:33:12,096
within our purview and with all the set of settled conditions

514
01:33:12,208 --> 01:33:16,288
being the towns, we thus set out our own parameters,

515
01:33:16,384 --> 01:33:20,540
not a third party adjudicator sending out the preferred their preferred terms.

516
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,608
This is when the draft conditions can adequately protect

517
01:33:24,704 --> 01:33:28,120
the interests of our Caledon residents. This is not

518
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,736
my opinion, but the opinion obtained by our staff and

519
01:33:31,808 --> 01:33:36,408
our legal. So in closing, these are my whys and the rationale and justification

520
01:33:36,504 --> 01:33:39,860
for the motion here before council. Thank you.

521
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,420
Thank you. Any other speakers to the motion?

522
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,860
Seeing none. Oh, sorry,

523
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,066
Councillor DeBoer. Thanks. I do have a

524
01:33:53,208 --> 01:33:56,374
some concern over this and if staff have communicated.

525
01:33:56,422 --> 01:34:00,054
I'm just curious as to why there isn't a staff

526
01:34:00,142 --> 01:34:03,862
communication with regards to the support that

527
01:34:03,886 --> 01:34:06,982
they have for the draft conditions. I understand the

528
01:34:07,006 --> 01:34:10,290
process. When I look at the town website,

529
01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:15,170
it's listed this application as first submission under review.

530
01:34:15,470 --> 01:34:18,960
So from that I gather that staff are reviewing this

531
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,640
submission with these conditions, but have

532
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,656
yet to provide any comments, certainly no comments that are here that the public

533
01:34:26,728 --> 01:34:31,216
can see. I think if it's the desire of council to bring

534
01:34:31,288 --> 01:34:35,232
back the approval

535
01:34:35,376 --> 01:34:39,584
of site plans, conditional site plans and eliminate

536
01:34:39,632 --> 01:34:42,736
the staff's delegated authority,

537
01:34:42,848 --> 01:34:46,090
then that's a separate item and we can do the same, same as what was

538
01:34:46,130 --> 01:34:49,594
done just at the last meeting with the H, the holding symbol and we

539
01:34:49,602 --> 01:34:53,098
can remove delegated authority from staff with

540
01:34:53,154 --> 01:34:56,350
regards to approving draft plans.

541
01:34:56,690 --> 01:34:59,818
It's been. And, and I tried to talk to staff to figure

542
01:34:59,834 --> 01:35:03,578
out again a plan as to how far back it was that we made this

543
01:35:03,634 --> 01:35:07,290
change. But it was council that initiated and delegated authority. So we still

544
01:35:07,330 --> 01:35:10,784
have the authority to remove that delegated authority. If that's the

545
01:35:10,842 --> 01:35:14,292
intent and the desire to get this back into where

546
01:35:14,316 --> 01:35:17,876
there's public comment and a second final look if that's

547
01:35:17,908 --> 01:35:21,892
part of the desire with this application. But I really do think that

548
01:35:22,076 --> 01:35:25,380
not having had staff make comments and it be under

549
01:35:25,420 --> 01:35:28,948
first submission under review as being what's current

550
01:35:29,004 --> 01:35:32,580
status on the website, I really have concerns with

551
01:35:32,620 --> 01:35:36,154
moving forward. The delegation mentioned even just road widths

552
01:35:36,252 --> 01:35:39,250
and concerns about road widths within the application,

553
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:43,102
you know, and he picked up that as something that staff would actually be

554
01:35:43,126 --> 01:35:46,446
commenting on to ensure there's some consistency and that

555
01:35:46,518 --> 01:35:49,534
for example, transitways are incorporated within the plan.

556
01:35:49,622 --> 01:35:52,862
So, you know, it leaves me with a lot more

557
01:35:52,886 --> 01:35:57,006
concerns moving forward if

558
01:35:57,158 --> 01:36:00,638
this was supported so that, you know,

559
01:36:00,694 --> 01:36:04,550
I think there's other ways to do it if, if that's the desire of trying

560
01:36:04,590 --> 01:36:08,390
to accomplish more transparency and I have no

561
01:36:08,430 --> 01:36:12,886
problem with more transparency and

562
01:36:12,958 --> 01:36:16,454
I would support removing the delegated authority, but I'm

563
01:36:16,502 --> 01:36:20,470
not prepared to say that I'm going to support moving this

564
01:36:20,510 --> 01:36:24,102
forward without at least a staff report ensuring that it meets with

565
01:36:24,126 --> 01:36:27,308
the overall guidelines and intentions of,

566
01:36:27,494 --> 01:36:30,220
of the development in that area. Thank you.

567
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,820
Thank you. Councillor Sheen,

568
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,096
perhaps just speak to that briefly. No intentions to

569
01:36:40,168 --> 01:36:44,096
remove the delegated authority. I feel that this, as indicated, is unique

570
01:36:44,128 --> 01:36:47,584
enough that in this case it warrants delegated

571
01:36:47,632 --> 01:36:51,264
authority being removed because of the history of the actual file

572
01:36:51,312 --> 01:36:54,650
and the amount of work that's been put in. The work

573
01:36:54,690 --> 01:36:58,058
that I actually put forward with staff was to

574
01:36:58,114 --> 01:37:02,650
ask both TRCA staff, regional staff and legal,

575
01:37:02,810 --> 01:37:06,730
how many, how can they be satisfied and this

576
01:37:06,770 --> 01:37:10,554
is not a process that they are typically satisfied

577
01:37:10,602 --> 01:37:14,186
with. The reality, though, is, when speaking to the fact

578
01:37:14,258 --> 01:37:17,866
of reports, and I've heard that mentioned

579
01:37:17,898 --> 01:37:21,348
frequently today, is we will never get a report in this case.

580
01:37:21,404 --> 01:37:24,868
This would have now gone into the hands of staff, and I intend it

581
01:37:24,924 --> 01:37:28,740
to go into the hands of staff. All I'm asking for is,

582
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:32,196
as indicated, is an approval in principle

583
01:37:32,228 --> 01:37:35,508
with all the actual conditions

584
01:37:35,604 --> 01:37:39,156
in place that protect our residents, protect the integrity

585
01:37:39,268 --> 01:37:42,580
of the. Of the approval process, but give

586
01:37:42,620 --> 01:37:46,128
the certainty, but to both the applicant and to the state into the town

587
01:37:46,264 --> 01:37:49,024
that this remains in our own coffers and we are able to.

588
01:37:49,112 --> 01:37:52,944
To be the. The actual approval

589
01:37:52,992 --> 01:37:56,384
authority in this. In this case. So that's where I feel it's important.

590
01:37:56,472 --> 01:37:59,376
I wouldn't want this to be delegated authority. As I indicated,

591
01:37:59,408 --> 01:38:02,752
this is a unique case and this has been on the

592
01:38:02,776 --> 01:38:05,888
books in Caledon for longer than I've

593
01:38:05,904 --> 01:38:09,840
been around here. And I feel that it's important enough that we actually

594
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:13,748
intervene, actually ask for that approval in principle.

595
01:38:13,844 --> 01:38:16,480
That's what I'm asking for. Thank you,

596
01:38:17,740 --> 01:38:21,280
Councillor Sheen. Thank you, Chair.

597
01:38:23,900 --> 01:38:28,452
I'm a little bit all over the map with my notes here, but first

598
01:38:28,476 --> 01:38:31,840
I want to thank the delegate, Mr. Axworthy, for coming forward.

599
01:38:32,140 --> 01:38:35,380
He articulated many of the same concerns that I

600
01:38:35,420 --> 01:38:36,000
have.

601
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:43,678
Firstly, with respect to how this is. Appears to be inconsistent

602
01:38:43,694 --> 01:38:46,410
with the town's recently approved official plan.

603
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:51,370
The Dougal Avenue issue is still an issue for me,

604
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:56,622
which Mr. Axworthy mentioned. And I spoke at

605
01:38:56,646 --> 01:39:00,862
length about the concerns I have with Dougal and

606
01:39:00,886 --> 01:39:04,508
the experience we had with Dougal in Mayfield Westphase 2.

607
01:39:04,644 --> 01:39:08,572
No, sorry, phase one. And I

608
01:39:08,596 --> 01:39:11,772
feel like we might be making the same assumptions or faulty assumptions

609
01:39:11,916 --> 01:39:15,692
on the west side now of Highway 10, the bridge structures is

610
01:39:15,716 --> 01:39:19,036
an issue, apparently or not appear apparently it

611
01:39:19,188 --> 01:39:22,412
is an issue. As Mr. Axworthy brought up an

612
01:39:22,436 --> 01:39:26,060
item, Dougal and the bridge structures kind of get

613
01:39:26,100 --> 01:39:29,468
at the overall traffic impact analysis for all of Mayfield West.

614
01:39:29,524 --> 01:39:33,222
Face phase two, which we had some discussion at

615
01:39:33,246 --> 01:39:37,130
the December 17th meeting with the commissioner.

616
01:39:39,070 --> 01:39:41,622
Not to put too fine of a point on it, but we have to look

617
01:39:41,646 --> 01:39:44,650
at the big picture. And as I said on December 17,

618
01:39:47,710 --> 01:39:51,414
the assumptions that are being made around traffic and whatnot, we need to make

619
01:39:51,422 --> 01:39:54,822
sure those are valid assumptions. Because if we make

620
01:39:54,846 --> 01:39:58,600
the same mistake we made in Mayfield West Phase 1, we're just

621
01:39:59,060 --> 01:40:02,200
duplicating the problem we've created in Mayfield West 1.

622
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:12,348
Sorry, I'm just looking for my.

623
01:40:12,404 --> 01:40:14,800
I don't want to bore people with a long submission.

624
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:21,836
Councillor Russo mentioned. I think he was trying to answer the question,

625
01:40:21,908 --> 01:40:25,310
why proceed in this way. And I think the first thing he said was this

626
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:28,494
area has been in the process for about 25 years, which makes it a unique

627
01:40:28,542 --> 01:40:32,190
case. And I think what he's referring to is that

628
01:40:32,230 --> 01:40:35,470
Mayfield west in general was first

629
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:39,130
conceived of back in, I think about 25 years ago.

630
01:40:40,150 --> 01:40:43,326
And as I understand it from the history speaking to

631
01:40:43,398 --> 01:40:47,470
others, when certain

632
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:50,894
parts of Mayfield west were ready to go versus others, it's just a

633
01:40:50,902 --> 01:40:54,302
function of people making the best decisions they could make at the

634
01:40:54,326 --> 01:40:58,930
time. And that's right, some developers

635
01:41:00,230 --> 01:41:03,422
went to the back of the line, so to speak. I don't think it was

636
01:41:03,446 --> 01:41:07,406
done because there was any ill intent, but I think the explanation

637
01:41:07,438 --> 01:41:11,230
I hear is that you can only do so much at once. The town

638
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:15,134
only has so much capacity to develop. So Mayfield west phase

639
01:41:15,182 --> 01:41:19,062
one got approval and here we are 15,

640
01:41:19,144 --> 01:41:22,810
20, 25 years later, about to. Well, not about

641
01:41:22,850 --> 01:41:25,994
to. We're very much moved into Mayfield West Phase 2.

642
01:41:26,082 --> 01:41:29,402
I drove through the neighborhood this morning. As I've mentioned a few times,

643
01:41:29,506 --> 01:41:32,870
homes are going up over there. They're digging soil today.

644
01:41:34,290 --> 01:41:37,594
It's unbelievable the amount of progress. I am anxious to see

645
01:41:37,602 --> 01:41:41,946
the neighborhood finished. I'm interested to see the Brook Valley

646
01:41:42,058 --> 01:41:46,084
development complete. But I'm struggling

647
01:41:46,132 --> 01:41:49,588
with what feels like a step outside

648
01:41:49,644 --> 01:41:50,800
the usual process.

649
01:41:57,020 --> 01:42:00,628
Oh, and I guess my last important point is Councillor Russo said it a couple

650
01:42:00,644 --> 01:42:03,892
of times in his submission that the draft plan

651
01:42:03,916 --> 01:42:07,556
of subdivision is in principle. He said it a couple of times,

652
01:42:07,628 --> 01:42:11,250
but the motion actually doesn't refer to it as in principle.

653
01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:14,886
It just simply says that the draft plan of subdivision is approved.

654
01:42:15,078 --> 01:42:18,710
So those

655
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:22,374
are my thoughts. I may have more because there may be some more discussion.

656
01:42:22,422 --> 01:42:26,054
I'm not sure. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Kiernan,

657
01:42:26,102 --> 01:42:26,690
please.

658
01:42:30,350 --> 01:42:33,942
Thank you. And through you, I too would like

659
01:42:33,966 --> 01:42:36,050
to speak to the.

660
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,440
The aspect of transparency. Something that I tried to point

661
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:47,696
out last week that these complex,

662
01:42:47,888 --> 01:42:51,488
eye catching, attention getting motions on

663
01:42:51,544 --> 01:42:54,960
our agenda to the council, to the public with no

664
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:59,040
staff reports, and there

665
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,112
has been plenty of time between last month and

666
01:43:02,136 --> 01:43:05,270
this and even the amendment to this motion, in my opinion,

667
01:43:07,130 --> 01:43:10,210
to seek a staff report for full transparency.

668
01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:12,910
Transparency seems to be a word we use a lot,

669
01:43:14,170 --> 01:43:17,458
you know, but I'm not sure that that's. That's what's

670
01:43:17,474 --> 01:43:21,602
going on. Without a staff report, the public are

671
01:43:21,626 --> 01:43:24,978
not fully informed. And I think it's

672
01:43:24,994 --> 01:43:28,066
our duty to make sure they're fully informed. Frankly,

673
01:43:28,098 --> 01:43:32,268
I would not ever support taking

674
01:43:32,324 --> 01:43:35,868
away or giving, giving staff delegated authority. I think these things

675
01:43:35,924 --> 01:43:39,260
must come to council. That, that's for me. But I have to

676
01:43:39,300 --> 01:43:43,320
say that there has been plenty of time to bring a staff report. It's not.

677
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:47,520
We have to make decisions as a body of council, as an entity,

678
01:43:47,860 --> 01:43:51,500
and for one or each individual counselor to have had

679
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:55,800
conversations with staff and be satisfied with that outcome certainly

680
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,752
does not serve the rest of council fully.

681
01:43:59,896 --> 01:44:03,192
We are not mind readers and I

682
01:44:03,216 --> 01:44:06,712
think there's a gap here, quite frankly. So I have

683
01:44:06,736 --> 01:44:10,648
a serious problem with this motion. My question is also because it's

684
01:44:10,664 --> 01:44:14,184
been a head scratcher for me from the start and I haven't seen an answer.

685
01:44:14,232 --> 01:44:17,700
I have. Public has asked it, letters have been sent,

686
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,796
why I've never seen this happen. And I've

687
01:44:21,828 --> 01:44:24,996
asked other municipalities and they think it's massively,

688
01:44:25,108 --> 01:44:28,772
massively unusual. I'm confused as

689
01:44:28,796 --> 01:44:32,840
to why representative for wards

690
01:44:33,740 --> 01:44:37,652
456 is bringing forward this motion without the

691
01:44:37,676 --> 01:44:41,780
consultation of the councilors of the area. And that's another big

692
01:44:41,820 --> 01:44:45,268
problem for me. I'm not sure that's a road we want to continue to go

693
01:44:45,324 --> 01:44:48,520
down. I will not be supporting this motion.

694
01:44:48,970 --> 01:44:51,842
I think this needs to be sent back to staff and I think it needs

695
01:44:51,866 --> 01:44:54,946
to have a full, transparent staff report,

696
01:44:55,018 --> 01:44:58,290
attach it and so that we can make, we talk about

697
01:44:58,330 --> 01:45:02,178
it, informed decisions, data. We don't have that before us,

698
01:45:02,234 --> 01:45:06,034
quite frankly. There's a lot of, there's a

699
01:45:06,042 --> 01:45:09,538
lot of faith being asked for here and I don't think we want to plan

700
01:45:09,594 --> 01:45:13,330
Kaladin on faith. So I need to see the data, I need to see

701
01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:16,702
the documents, I need to see the information from staff. I would

702
01:45:16,726 --> 01:45:19,210
hope we all feel that way. Thank you.

703
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:22,330
Thank you,

704
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:26,050
Mayor Grove.

705
01:45:28,310 --> 01:45:31,470
Thank you, chair. And through you, I want to just go

706
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:34,190
back to transparency. Ms.

707
01:45:34,230 --> 01:45:37,726
Brioche mentioned the MZO that was

708
01:45:37,798 --> 01:45:41,662
voted on. There are several MZOs that I recall

709
01:45:41,726 --> 01:45:45,296
that members of this council, previous council voted

710
01:45:45,328 --> 01:45:49,600
on. I don't think MZOs are transparent.

711
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:54,260
I don't see staff reports accompanying MZOs.

712
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,620
And with respect to this application,

713
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,808
this has been going on probably, I'm going to say

714
01:46:01,864 --> 01:46:04,960
25 years, a number of us,

715
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:07,798
and I remember attending the site,

716
01:46:07,984 --> 01:46:11,430
having a groundbreaking ceremony on that site.

717
01:46:11,890 --> 01:46:15,770
And so here we are several years later. This has

718
01:46:15,810 --> 01:46:19,450
been dealt with at the Regent appeal. And when I

719
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:23,258
look at this, this is not a slam dunk

720
01:46:23,354 --> 01:46:26,890
approval. There's a whole bunch of conditions that

721
01:46:26,930 --> 01:46:30,310
I'm reading here, both from the town,

722
01:46:30,930 --> 01:46:34,190
from the TRCA and from the region appeal.

723
01:46:34,580 --> 01:46:38,108
This is not, let's approve this and it's done.

724
01:46:38,244 --> 01:46:41,160
And I am certain that through this process,

725
01:46:42,420 --> 01:46:45,756
staff will be addressing, with the Developer,

726
01:46:45,868 --> 01:46:49,756
all of those conditions. Councillor Sheen, I certainly hear

727
01:46:49,828 --> 01:46:54,000
your concern with respect to the infrastructure or the lack thereof.

728
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:57,868
But I'm going to remind folks, and I didn't see

729
01:46:58,004 --> 01:47:01,502
many years ago when these things were happening and votes were

730
01:47:01,526 --> 01:47:04,670
happening that anybody was standing up here, well,

731
01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:08,462
maybe one or two was here when

732
01:47:08,646 --> 01:47:11,250
all of this development was happening.

733
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:15,726
Southfields had a whole lot of discussion around

734
01:47:15,798 --> 01:47:19,438
it. In fact, we had charrettes on

735
01:47:19,494 --> 01:47:23,598
Southfields. Then we look at how Southfields

736
01:47:23,694 --> 01:47:27,790
became and got developed. I think Mr. Hughes or Tim

737
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:31,770
Manley was, who was the planner at the time

738
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:34,570
on this area.

739
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:40,250
But a lot of things got changed with council

740
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:44,398
and then we ended up with Southfields the way we

741
01:47:44,454 --> 01:47:47,742
did. Kennedy Road being one of them.

742
01:47:47,926 --> 01:47:52,436
Development charges being set aside

743
01:47:52,598 --> 01:47:57,096
for developers until they've built 1,001 units.

744
01:47:57,288 --> 01:48:00,808
So I can go on and on with a list of things

745
01:48:00,944 --> 01:48:03,420
that was lacking. Transparency.

746
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,300
So let's not throw the word transparency

747
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,800
when it suits us because there are a

748
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,824
number of things. I sat here for years and years and

749
01:48:16,992 --> 01:48:20,460
a lot of things happened here where it was not transparent.

750
01:48:20,540 --> 01:48:25,852
And I remember a motion coming in a public meeting by

751
01:48:26,036 --> 01:48:29,996
members of council from Ward 2 through a public

752
01:48:30,068 --> 01:48:34,348
meeting asking for an MZO. We want to talk about transparency,

753
01:48:34,444 --> 01:48:37,596
let's talk about transparency. Not when

754
01:48:37,668 --> 01:48:41,436
transparency suits us. This has been an

755
01:48:41,508 --> 01:48:45,116
ongoing conversation, discussion. We did Mayfield

756
01:48:45,148 --> 01:48:48,818
west phase one, stage one, stage two

757
01:48:48,874 --> 01:48:52,834
and now we're at stage three. We should have

758
01:48:52,922 --> 01:48:56,114
been looking at the entire area

759
01:48:56,282 --> 01:48:59,390
and planning that entire area.

760
01:49:00,410 --> 01:49:03,682
And because we did not do that, this is

761
01:49:03,706 --> 01:49:07,378
the reason we're here today. This is the reason we have all these

762
01:49:07,434 --> 01:49:11,478
issues with lack of infrastructure and all the other things.

763
01:49:11,674 --> 01:49:14,846
Then to throw some of the other things in the mix,

764
01:49:14,878 --> 01:49:17,950
the rerouting of Highway 410 and

765
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:21,902
all of those things. Here we are

766
01:49:22,086 --> 01:49:25,854
many, many years later, two decades later, because why

767
01:49:26,022 --> 01:49:29,770
we did not do our job here at this council,

768
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:34,158
we piecemealed planning and that is why we

769
01:49:34,214 --> 01:49:37,776
are where we are. We are trying to correct that

770
01:49:37,918 --> 01:49:41,772
by doing the right thing. And there are several conditions

771
01:49:41,836 --> 01:49:44,988
when I look in here. So this is not a slam dunk.

772
01:49:45,084 --> 01:49:48,988
This is saying your infrastructure must be built. Now we're

773
01:49:49,004 --> 01:49:52,524
talking years later, infrastructure could have been a lot

774
01:49:52,612 --> 01:49:56,396
cheaper, but now we're talking infrastructure that we're

775
01:49:56,428 --> 01:49:59,692
going to be probably five, six,

776
01:49:59,796 --> 01:50:03,180
maybe seven times the cost of what it would

777
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:06,654
have been back then. So I don't have a problem

778
01:50:06,742 --> 01:50:10,542
moving this forward. And as I said, all of

779
01:50:10,566 --> 01:50:14,798
this happened in 2022

780
01:50:14,854 --> 01:50:19,134
at the region of Peel. Every member of Caledon

781
01:50:19,182 --> 01:50:22,686
Council at the region of Peel, voted to put 11,000

782
01:50:22,758 --> 01:50:27,102
acres in our urban boundaries. This is not staff's fault,

783
01:50:27,246 --> 01:50:30,770
but these decisions were council decisions,

784
01:50:31,180 --> 01:50:34,628
council directing staff, council passing motions.

785
01:50:34,724 --> 01:50:38,564
And staff are left to deal with all

786
01:50:38,652 --> 01:50:42,500
the inadequacies, all the motions that were

787
01:50:42,540 --> 01:50:46,340
put forward. MZOs, they don't bring with them

788
01:50:46,460 --> 01:50:50,580
any financial analysis. They don't talk about infrastructure.

789
01:50:50,660 --> 01:50:54,740
They don't talk about anything. They are just carte blanche

790
01:50:54,820 --> 01:50:59,264
approvals. And let's go. No staff report accompanying it.

791
01:50:59,432 --> 01:51:02,784
And so I have no issues in supporting

792
01:51:02,832 --> 01:51:06,848
this because, again, it is not a slam dunk.

793
01:51:07,024 --> 01:51:10,832
When I look at the conditions that's in here, it addresses

794
01:51:10,896 --> 01:51:14,224
a number of things. TRCA's concerns,

795
01:51:14,352 --> 01:51:17,584
all of those environmental impacts are in here.

796
01:51:17,672 --> 01:51:21,824
And until TRCA is satisfied or staff are satisfied,

797
01:51:21,952 --> 01:51:25,330
or the region is satisfied by, this is not going to happen.

798
01:51:26,110 --> 01:51:27,090
So I.

799
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:35,478
And again, you know, I did not see

800
01:51:35,614 --> 01:51:38,982
residents showing up at meetings when MZOs

801
01:51:39,046 --> 01:51:41,850
are proposing or were being proposed.

802
01:51:43,150 --> 01:51:45,970
So those are my comments.

803
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:51,248
And again, it is

804
01:51:51,384 --> 01:51:55,952
a matter of moving this through a process that

805
01:51:56,056 --> 01:52:00,384
should have happened a long time ago and a process

806
01:52:00,552 --> 01:52:04,864
that should have been a more holistic and a more comprehensive

807
01:52:04,992 --> 01:52:08,736
process. And that is why we are in

808
01:52:08,808 --> 01:52:12,352
the situation we're in. And that's why Bolton is in the

809
01:52:12,376 --> 01:52:16,598
situation. It's in the lack of planning,

810
01:52:16,694 --> 01:52:20,214
proper planning, holistic planning,

811
01:52:20,342 --> 01:52:24,182
comprehensive planning. Because through all those things,

812
01:52:24,366 --> 01:52:28,070
you address all the concerns that I'm hearing being raised here

813
01:52:28,110 --> 01:52:31,090
today. So thank you. Thank you,

814
01:52:31,470 --> 01:52:33,250
Councillor Mascal, please.

815
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:38,294
Thank you. And through you, Chair, and it's all great for us to

816
01:52:38,382 --> 01:52:42,118
talk amongst ourselves here as counselors, but I'm going to ask a couple

817
01:52:42,134 --> 01:52:45,670
of questions to some of the experts that we have on our

818
01:52:45,710 --> 01:52:51,222
staff here. I have two questions. One is for Commissioner

819
01:52:51,286 --> 01:52:54,422
Lucc, and I'm just

820
01:52:54,446 --> 01:52:57,170
going to read the question out here.

821
01:52:57,470 --> 01:53:01,366
What Councillor Russo is asking is unorthodox,

822
01:53:01,478 --> 01:53:05,170
something I have not seen brought before this council.

823
01:53:05,950 --> 01:53:08,954
In your experience, Commissioner Lucik,

824
01:53:09,082 --> 01:53:12,790
have you seen this practice applied before?

825
01:53:13,330 --> 01:53:16,810
And in your professional opinion, does it in any

826
01:53:16,850 --> 01:53:20,410
way undermine the integrity or efficacy

827
01:53:20,570 --> 01:53:26,250
of the planning process through

828
01:53:26,290 --> 01:53:30,042
the chair to the counselor? Well, this might be unorthodox

829
01:53:30,106 --> 01:53:33,892
for how things have been done in Caledon. It's actually fairly common

830
01:53:33,956 --> 01:53:37,620
in other municipalities. I looked to the city of Mississauga, where it worked before,

831
01:53:37,660 --> 01:53:40,900
and you'd have a standard condition saying, yeah, you know,

832
01:53:40,940 --> 01:53:44,356
the general content or idea of development's approved,

833
01:53:44,468 --> 01:53:47,492
and it's subject to draft and condition work that comes along at

834
01:53:47,516 --> 01:53:50,996
a later date. So it's actually fairly common. It's just not something we've

835
01:53:51,028 --> 01:53:54,580
typically done here. What we felt is, you know,

836
01:53:54,620 --> 01:53:58,228
while staff have delegated authority here, we wanted to ensure council was aware

837
01:53:58,324 --> 01:54:01,230
of. Of what was being discussed. And that's why we asked that, you know,

838
01:54:01,270 --> 01:54:04,606
be put to council to. To do this. And. And as Councillor Deborah

839
01:54:04,638 --> 01:54:08,558
said, you could take delegated authority away from staff, I would discourage you

840
01:54:08,614 --> 01:54:12,062
typically, from doing that because that slows the process down. And a lot of these

841
01:54:12,086 --> 01:54:15,406
things are technical elements. I anticipate,

842
01:54:15,438 --> 01:54:18,318
ultimately, we're still going to be able to get what we need as a town

843
01:54:18,454 --> 01:54:22,110
through the conditions I note specifically, even condition number

844
01:54:22,150 --> 01:54:26,014
one, where it really allows for the. The town to revise

845
01:54:26,062 --> 01:54:30,942
or adjust as necessary to ensure we get what we need just

846
01:54:30,966 --> 01:54:34,410
to follow up. So does that undermine the planning process in any way?

847
01:54:35,110 --> 01:54:38,446
No, it does not. Okay, thank you. I have my second

848
01:54:38,518 --> 01:54:41,650
question that I'd like to address to Commissioner Dixon.

849
01:54:43,670 --> 01:54:47,038
Commissioner Dixon, do you believe that. That if this

850
01:54:47,094 --> 01:54:51,126
council does not approve the plan outlined by Councilor Russo,

851
01:54:51,278 --> 01:54:54,758
that this application will end up at the olt?

852
01:54:54,934 --> 01:54:58,662
And then secondly. And do you believe that the conditions outlined in

853
01:54:58,686 --> 01:55:02,070
this motion are materially better than those we could

854
01:55:02,110 --> 01:55:04,650
expect from an OLT ruling?

855
01:55:05,470 --> 01:55:08,694
Thanks for the question through the chair. Although I can't predict

856
01:55:08,742 --> 01:55:12,102
whether this matter would proceed to olt,

857
01:55:12,246 --> 01:55:15,170
there's a strong likelihood that it would proceed if the.

858
01:55:16,270 --> 01:55:18,776
If we can't work with the developers to move this forward,

859
01:55:18,848 --> 01:55:22,872
certainly OLT is an option. I think

860
01:55:22,896 --> 01:55:26,824
we've heard from a delegate on a other development nearby

861
01:55:26,872 --> 01:55:30,872
that's gone through the oot. It's very expensive in

862
01:55:30,896 --> 01:55:35,592
terms of our draft plan conditions, they're very comprehensive in

863
01:55:35,616 --> 01:55:39,560
favor of the town and our agencies. I don't believe

864
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:42,952
the owner will appeal the conditions of their past today. I believe the

865
01:55:42,976 --> 01:55:45,630
owner does not get it.

866
01:55:46,330 --> 01:55:49,634
The developer may appeal. And of

867
01:55:49,642 --> 01:55:53,202
course, if it gets appealed, the tribunal may wish to

868
01:55:53,226 --> 01:55:56,770
see the scope of the conditions narrowed and could

869
01:55:56,810 --> 01:56:00,914
very well eliminate some of the conditions. And approving the motion today

870
01:56:01,002 --> 01:56:04,790
helps mitigate that risk and help keep the conditions intact.

871
01:56:06,810 --> 01:56:08,110
Thank you very much.

872
01:56:10,100 --> 01:56:12,920
Thank you. Councillor Kiernan, please.

873
01:56:17,460 --> 01:56:19,400
Sorry, Chair. That was up from before.

874
01:56:21,540 --> 01:56:25,840
Oh, that's from before. Okay. Thank you, Councillor Kiernan. We'll move on to Councillor Sheen.

875
01:56:28,260 --> 01:56:31,644
Thank you, Chair. Rosa, I have

876
01:56:31,652 --> 01:56:35,228
a question for staff then. What will happen if this motion does not

877
01:56:35,284 --> 01:56:38,472
pass today? In other words, will it continue through

878
01:56:38,496 --> 01:56:41,752
the process with planning and the planning and development staff?

879
01:56:41,936 --> 01:56:45,384
Is what's the downside of not approving this motion

880
01:56:45,432 --> 01:56:49,192
today through

881
01:56:49,216 --> 01:56:52,840
the chair to the councilor? It would continue with planning staff. It would

882
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,900
effectively follow a parallel path to what's being proposed today.

883
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,920
So what is the advantage to approving this motion today?

884
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:04,570
Approving? Not the motion approving the draft plan of subdivision.

885
01:57:04,730 --> 01:57:08,202
There's really. It's. It's. It's one way or the other.

886
01:57:08,386 --> 01:57:11,630
It's really more. That's. That's not so much a staff answer.

887
01:57:12,610 --> 01:57:16,346
So. So there's an argument here that we should approve

888
01:57:16,378 --> 01:57:20,350
it, but there's really no advantage to approving it, is what I'm hearing.

889
01:57:21,970 --> 01:57:25,290
Nothing's going to change. It's going to follow the process. Whether it's a. Whether the

890
01:57:25,330 --> 01:57:27,670
draft plan of subdivision is approved today or not.

891
01:57:29,100 --> 01:57:32,916
What it would really do is just. It would be how staff would communicate on

892
01:57:32,988 --> 01:57:36,292
various reports or otherwise. We have draft plan conditions. We'd work

893
01:57:36,316 --> 01:57:39,780
through those. It's. It's a little. It's hard to say.

894
01:57:39,820 --> 01:57:43,460
I defer to more to this. As much isn't a

895
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:47,620
staff answer as much. It would be a up to the person

896
01:57:47,660 --> 01:57:50,868
that put motion forward, the council. I'm just trying to understand because there's

897
01:57:50,884 --> 01:57:54,558
a lot of concern that somehow we're deviating from the problem process, and the process

898
01:57:54,614 --> 01:57:58,158
is there to ensure that due process is followed

899
01:57:58,254 --> 01:58:01,342
and that input is obtained along the

900
01:58:01,366 --> 01:58:04,734
usual process. And so there's a concern that we're deviating from the process.

901
01:58:04,822 --> 01:58:08,526
So I want to make sure that there's no penalty

902
01:58:08,558 --> 01:58:11,694
to the developer because, like I said, I want to see this neighborhood get finished,

903
01:58:11,822 --> 01:58:15,470
but I also want to stick to the process as much as possible. That's my

904
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:18,894
first question. I appreciate what Mayor

905
01:58:18,942 --> 01:58:22,350
Groves said about South Fields. I know she on council when it was being developed

906
01:58:22,430 --> 01:58:27,518
many, many years ago. And I

907
01:58:27,574 --> 01:58:31,150
think that council back then probably made the best decisions they

908
01:58:31,190 --> 01:58:35,022
could with what they knew. But I think hindsight

909
01:58:35,166 --> 01:58:38,170
may not be 2020, but it's closer to 2020.

910
01:58:39,190 --> 01:58:42,494
When I think about some of the things that I think have impacted

911
01:58:42,542 --> 01:58:46,142
Southfields that could not have been anticipated by our council 20

912
01:58:46,166 --> 01:58:49,320
years ago. As we know,

913
01:58:50,660 --> 01:58:54,332
there are many more basement apartments in the neighborhood than I think anyone would

914
01:58:54,356 --> 01:58:57,596
have guessed, which brings more cars and more people,

915
01:58:57,668 --> 01:59:01,516
which puts more strain on our schools and our parks

916
01:59:01,548 --> 01:59:04,160
and our roads and parking and traffic.

917
01:59:05,300 --> 01:59:08,828
And also more recently, which not many people are talking about, is the

918
01:59:08,884 --> 01:59:13,078
new right of homeowners if they have sufficient land in their backyards

919
01:59:13,174 --> 01:59:15,370
to put in these auxiliary units,

920
01:59:16,350 --> 01:59:19,862
which the town has no right of refusal on. All we

921
01:59:19,886 --> 01:59:23,050
can do is issue building permits if they have the right criteria.

922
01:59:25,150 --> 01:59:28,790
I think that's something that could not have been anticipated 15 or 20 years ago

923
01:59:28,830 --> 01:59:32,970
when South Fields was being envisioned.

924
01:59:34,670 --> 01:59:38,592
But those are the realities of today. And I guess what I'm hoping is

925
01:59:38,616 --> 01:59:41,824
that we don't, as I keep saying, that we don't keep making the same mistakes

926
01:59:41,872 --> 01:59:45,600
because we anticipate that the neighborhood can be

927
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:49,776
built. Well, actually, we know that the neighborhood is being designed with a higher people

928
01:59:49,848 --> 01:59:53,808
density than Mayfield West Phase 1 and Mayfield West

929
01:59:53,864 --> 01:59:57,040
Phase 2, Phase or Stage 1 and

930
01:59:57,080 --> 02:00:00,272
2. I think as we go further north, closer to Old

931
02:00:00,296 --> 02:00:04,170
School Road, the density is getting higher. I think it was missing brioche that asked

932
02:00:04,210 --> 02:00:07,786
the question. It's not quite 100, I don't believe, but it's.

933
02:00:07,898 --> 02:00:11,882
I think it's around 75. Is the targeted density for Mayfield

934
02:00:11,946 --> 02:00:13,670
West Phase 2, Stage 3.

935
02:00:15,970 --> 02:00:19,818
Anyway, I'm not criticizing the previous councils. I think Southfields

936
02:00:19,834 --> 02:00:23,870
Village is what it is. In many ways, it's a great neighborhood. In other ways,

937
02:00:24,210 --> 02:00:27,898
there's some lessons to be learned. And if there's

938
02:00:27,914 --> 02:00:31,732
no advantage, no material advantage to approving this draft

939
02:00:31,796 --> 02:00:35,812
plan of subdivision today, then I struggle with

940
02:00:35,916 --> 02:00:38,884
the motion. Thank you. Thank you.

941
02:00:38,972 --> 02:00:42,480
Councillor early, please. Thank you. Through you, Chair,

942
02:00:43,900 --> 02:00:46,628
listen, so much has been said tonight. First of all, I'm going to say that

943
02:00:46,684 --> 02:00:49,700
past councils, I think, did probably try

944
02:00:49,740 --> 02:00:53,732
their best. You were a smaller municipality. You never had the intensification that

945
02:00:53,756 --> 02:00:57,086
South Kis was going to be and that Southfield is now small intensification

946
02:00:57,198 --> 02:01:00,990
on what we're building out. My problem with this motion has been the same

947
02:01:01,030 --> 02:01:04,718
right from the start. And that's the process piece. We put

948
02:01:04,774 --> 02:01:08,686
the OPA, a staff report on the OPA on the last council

949
02:01:08,758 --> 02:01:12,206
meeting of the year in 2024, not on a planning meeting, but on a council

950
02:01:12,278 --> 02:01:15,822
meeting. We didn't allow the public to have time to

951
02:01:15,846 --> 02:01:19,870
even digest it. There were a significant amount of agency comments on

952
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:23,684
that. Opaque. That will allow the applicant to work with staff to

953
02:01:23,692 --> 02:01:27,636
get through those agency comments. And we had this motion sitting

954
02:01:27,668 --> 02:01:31,044
on that same council meeting in December. So we were going to

955
02:01:31,052 --> 02:01:34,804
just fast track everything. Councillor Russo decided to refer it

956
02:01:34,892 --> 02:01:38,932
to this planning meeting in January. But the process hasn't changed.

957
02:01:38,996 --> 02:01:43,012
We're still working through agency comments, we're still working through the issues on the opa.

958
02:01:43,156 --> 02:01:46,788
And I don't see any reason to have to fast track this. It has nothing

959
02:01:46,804 --> 02:01:50,290
to do with. With the applicant. They're good applicants, they're good

960
02:01:50,330 --> 02:01:53,810
business owners. What it does have for me, though, we talked about

961
02:01:53,850 --> 02:01:57,314
past councils. We're going to 300,000 people

962
02:01:57,482 --> 02:02:00,802
from 80,000 people. We're going to build houses like there's no tomorrows and

963
02:02:00,826 --> 02:02:04,658
build communities. And if we start usurping processes, then we're

964
02:02:04,674 --> 02:02:07,634
going to have every guy lined up at the door to say, I want to

965
02:02:07,642 --> 02:02:11,122
do that, too. And I just can't support something like that. So it

966
02:02:11,146 --> 02:02:14,460
has nothing to do with the applicant or completing that community or

967
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:17,852
making things happen, and I'm hoping we can expedite this. I'm not

968
02:02:17,876 --> 02:02:21,484
sure how I feel about taking away delegated authority

969
02:02:21,532 --> 02:02:25,052
from staff. Maybe it's a conversation, though, Council should have one day,

970
02:02:25,076 --> 02:02:28,476
given that we are growing so quickly. Maybe not this evening,

971
02:02:28,588 --> 02:02:31,916
but I, I, I, I, I understand

972
02:02:31,988 --> 02:02:34,652
Council Russo, and I know he wants to get things done and he wants to

973
02:02:34,676 --> 02:02:37,916
fix things and make things happen, but I can't

974
02:02:37,948 --> 02:02:40,090
support this. And, and truthfully,

975
02:02:41,470 --> 02:02:44,982
not concerned, but certainly a little disingenuous that

976
02:02:45,006 --> 02:02:48,582
this would have occurred without discussions with both myself and Councillor Sheen.

977
02:02:48,646 --> 02:02:52,182
But that's a decision that everyone has their opportunity to make. So thank you very

978
02:02:52,206 --> 02:02:55,702
much. I won't be supporting the motion. Thank you.

979
02:02:55,806 --> 02:02:59,490
Any additional. Yes, Councillor Maskell, please.

980
02:03:01,870 --> 02:03:05,190
Thank you very much. And through you, Chair Rosa and I

981
02:03:05,230 --> 02:03:08,534
just, you know, I'm just sitting here listening to

982
02:03:08,702 --> 02:03:11,890
people talk about, you know, doing things outside

983
02:03:12,270 --> 02:03:15,798
our purview or outside the norm, and just brings

984
02:03:15,814 --> 02:03:19,574
me back to, you know, we had our, Our policy around

985
02:03:19,742 --> 02:03:22,966
the naming of town

986
02:03:23,038 --> 02:03:26,406
sites after people, and we had a policy was put in place,

987
02:03:26,478 --> 02:03:30,770
and council unanimously supported the everything.

988
02:03:31,090 --> 02:03:34,570
And then when it came time, someone comes forward and says,

989
02:03:34,690 --> 02:03:38,250
you know, can we switch this? And, you know, Council says, oh, yeah, that's within

990
02:03:38,290 --> 02:03:41,514
our, our purview to do that. And we can do that. We're going to

991
02:03:41,522 --> 02:03:44,762
override policy. So, you know, here we are,

992
02:03:44,946 --> 02:03:48,954
you know, in a situation where, you know, we've. We've done,

993
02:03:49,122 --> 02:03:52,634
you know, there are counselors who are saying we have to follow process, but,

994
02:03:52,722 --> 02:03:56,186
you know, a couple months ago, there was no following process. Just, yeah,

995
02:03:56,218 --> 02:03:59,860
we'll exercise our authority and just override whatever we need

996
02:03:59,900 --> 02:04:03,000
to. So I just think it's incredibly ironic.

997
02:04:03,980 --> 02:04:07,800
Thank you, Councillor Kiernan.

998
02:04:09,260 --> 02:04:13,012
Thank you, Chair. And this will be brief and final. So I find that a

999
02:04:13,036 --> 02:04:16,372
little. A little odd. Sometimes when new information

1000
02:04:16,476 --> 02:04:20,440
comes forward, it is upon us to make different decisions,

1001
02:04:21,820 --> 02:04:24,964
you know, and that wasn't against our opa.

1002
02:04:25,012 --> 02:04:28,508
That was a policy that we put in place as recommended by a staff

1003
02:04:28,564 --> 02:04:31,692
report that we did all support at

1004
02:04:31,716 --> 02:04:35,068
that time, because the staff report. And I go back to the staff report

1005
02:04:35,204 --> 02:04:39,148
justified it. Did we know that There were people in the community. Had there been.

1006
02:04:39,204 --> 02:04:43,148
Obviously not. There were people in the community who felt otherwise,

1007
02:04:43,324 --> 02:04:46,540
then we had the opportunity to have those people come forward and

1008
02:04:46,580 --> 02:04:49,676
say, hold on a minute now. Now that we've seen this,

1009
02:04:49,828 --> 02:04:52,972
we have a problem with this. And as councillors, I think

1010
02:04:52,996 --> 02:04:56,492
it's our duty to listen when that happens. I don't think the comparison is

1011
02:04:56,516 --> 02:05:00,360
fair, quite frankly. Thank you. Thank you.

1012
02:05:00,660 --> 02:05:02,640
Any other speakers to the motion?

1013
02:05:03,940 --> 02:05:07,200
Seeing none, I will ask the clerk to call the vote.

1014
02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:12,640
Councillor DeBoer. Opposed.

1015
02:05:13,780 --> 02:05:15,680
Councillor Early. Opposed.

1016
02:05:16,740 --> 02:05:20,090
Councillor Kiernan. Opposed.

1017
02:05:21,230 --> 02:05:24,330
Councillor Mascal? In favor.

1018
02:05:25,710 --> 02:05:28,410
Councilor Napoli? In favor.

1019
02:05:29,310 --> 02:05:33,210
Councilor Russo? In favor.

1020
02:05:34,030 --> 02:05:36,890
Councilor Sheen. Opposed.

1021
02:05:38,910 --> 02:05:42,902
Mayor Groves? In favor. Chair Rosa?

1022
02:05:42,966 --> 02:05:46,770
In favor. Through the chair. The motion carries.

1023
02:05:47,670 --> 02:05:51,038
Having concluded item 12.1, I will

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02:05:51,094 --> 02:05:54,090
now return the chair to Councillor Russo. Thank you.

1025
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,580
Thank you. So we move on to correspondence.

1026
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:21,112
Are there any comments or items that require action in correspondence

1027
02:06:21,176 --> 02:06:24,392
package? I see. Councillor Kiernan,

1028
02:06:24,456 --> 02:06:27,704
you've added one item of correspondence to this agenda.

1029
02:06:27,752 --> 02:06:31,720
Would you like action on them? Thank you.

1030
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:35,672
Through you, Chair, just as we do with all correspondence,

1031
02:06:35,816 --> 02:06:39,898
there is a motion put together just in support of what the municipality

1032
02:06:39,914 --> 02:06:43,194
of coast lynch has put forward. I will draw your attention

1033
02:06:43,242 --> 02:06:46,634
to the fact that they mistakenly used the

1034
02:06:46,642 --> 02:06:50,042
wrong title for Minister Calandra. So we will also be

1035
02:06:50,066 --> 02:06:53,230
correcting that in the. In the interim. In the. At the meantime.

1036
02:06:54,450 --> 02:06:57,870
So would you like to bring forward a motion or just as direction,

1037
02:06:58,290 --> 02:07:02,010
I guess. What would you like us to do right now? I think

1038
02:07:02,050 --> 02:07:05,896
that the clerk has a motion prepared. Clerk,

1039
02:07:05,928 --> 02:07:10,440
is there something prepared? And I guess this is moved by councer Kieran

1040
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:14,140
and I guess maybe seconded by Count. Mayor Groves,

1041
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,700
thank you. And it's before us right now on the screen.

1042
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:20,820
Thank you.

1043
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,780
That the. So I'll just read it out. That the.

1044
02:07:30,570 --> 02:07:33,842
Okay, I was just gonna say, I just wanted to let everyone know that this

1045
02:07:33,866 --> 02:07:37,762
was actually brought to my attention by a community member. So good

1046
02:07:37,786 --> 02:07:41,794
catch on their point. Asked me to bring this forward and.

1047
02:07:41,962 --> 02:07:45,350
And that's why we're here today. But it's the right thing to do. Okay,

1048
02:07:46,170 --> 02:07:49,746
thank you. I'll read it out for. I guess anyone

1049
02:07:49,778 --> 02:07:53,442
that doesn't see it on the screen, that the town of Caledon support The

1050
02:07:53,466 --> 02:07:56,426
resolution dated November 21, 2024,

1051
02:07:56,578 --> 02:08:00,922
as passed by the township of Pucilich regarding the protection of agricultural

1052
02:08:00,986 --> 02:08:04,762
lands and sustainable excess soil management practices in

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02:08:04,786 --> 02:08:07,866
Ontario. And that a copy of this resolution be sent

1054
02:08:07,938 --> 02:08:11,050
to the township of Pusillage and the Ministry of Environment,

1055
02:08:11,170 --> 02:08:14,554
Conservation and Parks, Ontario Ministry

1056
02:08:14,602 --> 02:08:18,122
of Food and Agricultural and Rural affairs and the Premier of

1057
02:08:18,146 --> 02:08:22,068
Ontario, the Association. And the association of Municipalities

1058
02:08:22,194 --> 02:08:23,860
of Ontario. Aml.

1059
02:08:26,040 --> 02:08:27,300
Councilor Sheen.

1060
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:32,848
Thank you, Chair Russo. I just want to double check that the

1061
02:08:32,904 --> 02:08:36,780
motion intends to send a copy of this to the Ministry of

1062
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:40,420
Environment, Conservation and Parks,

1063
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:44,896
because that's the title that was mistakenly attached to Minister Calandra.

1064
02:08:45,008 --> 02:08:48,682
I just want to make sure that that was. I read the. The Ministry of

1065
02:08:48,706 --> 02:08:51,850
Environment, Conservation and Parks. That's accurate. Yeah.

1066
02:08:51,930 --> 02:08:52,670
Okay.

1067
02:08:53,490 --> 02:08:56,350
MECP or. Yeah,

1068
02:08:58,050 --> 02:09:02,190
but we're also correcting Minister Calandra's title to make sure that that's.

1069
02:09:06,370 --> 02:09:09,674
I'm just. I just want to make sure that we're. Whether we're sending it to

1070
02:09:09,682 --> 02:09:13,338
Calandra. Okay. Yeah. I believe. Clerk says confirmed, and I believe the mover

1071
02:09:13,354 --> 02:09:16,340
is. You're okay with that, Councillor Kieran?

1072
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,472
Thank you. Yes, I am. Okay. If there are

1073
02:09:21,496 --> 02:09:24,928
no further questions, moving on to the clerks,

1074
02:09:25,024 --> 02:09:28,100
for the. For the vote.

1075
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:31,620
Councillor DeBoer? In favor.

1076
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:36,420
Councilor Early. In favor. Councilor Kiernan?

1077
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:41,140
In favor. Councilor Matabel.

1078
02:09:41,740 --> 02:09:44,760
In favor. Councilor Napoli.

1079
02:09:45,100 --> 02:09:48,740
In favor. Councilor Rosa?

1080
02:09:48,820 --> 02:09:51,960
In favor. Councilor Sheen?

1081
02:09:52,460 --> 02:09:55,400
In favor. Mayor Groves?

1082
02:09:55,900 --> 02:09:59,380
In favor. Chair Russo? In favor. Through the chair.

1083
02:09:59,420 --> 02:10:02,772
The motion carries. Thank you. This concludes

1084
02:10:02,836 --> 02:10:06,878
the January 14, 2025 Planning and Development Committee meeting.

1085
02:10:06,934 --> 02:10:08,710
I declare this meeting adjourned. Thank you.