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All in all, call to order, citizen advisory board, Wednesday, March 19th. I'm clerk. Have a roll call, please. Mr. Car. Ms. Davis, Dr. Davis, excuse me. Mr. Daffilis. Mr. Efron. Mr. Ellis. Ms. Mosquiteli is absent. Ms. Panfill. Chair Weed. Mr. Haney is also absent. Thank you. Clerk, do we have anyone signed up to speak today?

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With one individual's name is Israel Salinas, so I'm sorry if I didn't pronounce it correctly.

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Before tonight I need to state for the record we are now at the audience participation portion

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of the agenda. Speakers are now to address members individually, any person making personal

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impertinent or slanders remarks who becomes disorderly may be barred from the meeting.

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This is an opportunity to provide the board with your comments. The board will not respond any

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Any questions or comments during this time for a city code?

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Members, city staff will follow up with you if appropriate, and any documents shown during

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audit participation or part of the meeting must be given to the clerk.

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Welcome.

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Thank you, members of the CAB.

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My name's Israel Salinas, I live at 591 Flumengo Drive.

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I did answer the survey and I'm here to talk about the survey results.

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I've seen a copy, advance copy that was posted by the city on this draft copy of the survey results regarding how the city performed during, before, during and after the hurricane.

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So what we have here, I've been doing some volunteer work with a civil engineer to inspect some of the drainage areas around.

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on golden beach and the flamingo debt issue that you might be aware of.

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So what we have, my comments based on these inspections is first off that the city needs

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to do a better job of updating their standard operating procedures.

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There are SOPs around inspecting culverts in drainage in local neighborhoods, especially those that are prone to flooding.

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They should be inspecting them 100% prior to the hurricane season.

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Before the rainy season, they should be going through these culverts and checking them, making sure there's no blockages or debris that may prevent drainage.

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In this example here, this is on the Flamingo Detch at 3, my vision is getting poor, sorry,

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396 Flamingo Drive. This is a primary outlet that dumps water into the Flamingo Detch from this neighborhood.

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This is what the outlet of that culvert looks like.

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you can't even see the concrete pipe that's supposed to be draining water into the flamingo

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ditch. It's just blocked with whatever vegetation mangroves there growing around that.

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Additionally,

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so they need to be checking these culverts before the rainy season proactively. And we don't know

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So if it's being done or not, there's been a number of people in my community that have

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complained about culverts being blocked with debris and had to get on the city to get

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out there and clear them out.

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Another issue here, this is the actual flamingo ditch outflow.

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I took this picture yesterday.

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The consultant that I worked with said this needs to be cleared out this fallen debris that's

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blocking the neck of the flamingo

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ditch. So I have no idea what

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the city's plans are for doing

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that.

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Another thing is about

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sandbagging. The sandbagging

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process is atrocious at best.

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I've waited and passed in line

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for, you know, a line is backed up

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for more than a mile. And there's

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no reason that people should have

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to wait. There's precious time

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when you're getting ready to

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to evacuate during a hurricane,

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that you're trying to protect your property

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and get these sandbags.

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Waiting in line for hours is not acceptable.

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Manatee County and Hillsboro County

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have purchased machines like this.

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Show this on their automated semi-automated baggy machines.

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They fit on the back of a pickup truck

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and an unloader can load sand into this thing

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and spit out bags at four to 900 bags per hour.

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There's no reason that we should be manually filling

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citizens should be manually filling sand bags

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at a filling station.

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That's why the lines are all backed up.

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So these are things that I'm hoping

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there are constructive comments that will help the city

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with what they can be doing and what they should be doing.

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and others, a lot of people in my neighborhood and Golden Beach that were frustrated with

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flooding that's going on and this photo that I showed you earlier.

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So this is just north of the Flamingo Detch.

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I have something very similar on the other and other south side of Flamingo Detch that flooded

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the places down by McArthur Beach and Follas Drive.

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So thank you for your time.

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Thank you very much.

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Mr. Salinas.

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Mr. Salinas.

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Can I have copies of what you presented?

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Thank you.

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Do you want me to take copies of them?

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Because that will close the audience participation part of the meeting.

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I now will next item on the agenda is the approval of minutes.

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The motion to approve the minutes of the February 19th, 2025.

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I move to approve the minutes of the February 19th, 25 meeting as written.

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Is there a second of the motion?

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Second.

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Is there any discussion on the motion?

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During none, we'll call for a vote, Madam Chair.

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Mr. Efron.

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Yes.

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Ms. Pantho.

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Yes.

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Mr. Carr.

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Yes.

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Mr. Daffoless.

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Yes.

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Yes, Mr. Ellis.

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Yes.

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Dr. Davis.

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Yes.

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Chair weed.

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Yes.

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Record shows the motion passed.

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Now, moving to a new business.

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First item is the 2024 hurricane season survey responses.

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And this point in time I'd like to turn it over to Dr. Davis to this portion of the agenda.

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Thank you, Chair Wheat. I appreciate that. Just had a couple of comments before going into the

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presentation. I just want to remind the board that we are coming to the end of the data

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collection process for the Hurricane After Action Review report. We had the survey out for three weeks.

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The survey was closed on March 14th last Friday, and I'll be presenting the results from

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that.

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And hopefully you've had a chance to look at them already in a minute.

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But this is still draft, and I just wanted to get a reading from you about that homework

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assignment, which I apologize for giving to you on such short notice.

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I know that it was difficult and so I'm just wondering it was you were assigned one of the

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open-ended questions to review and to take a look in comparison to well to review and then I would

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want to get we can discuss those a little later in the meeting today but how many were able to do

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How many are going to need more time to finish their part of the review?

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It was significant.

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There were a lot of responses to go through and to categorize.

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You start that in, Steve.

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Have you had a chance to?

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Yes, I'm all set, but since you were my partner, Dr. Wright,

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I'd like to confer with you or at least talk about what I would like to include in for number 15.

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Okay.

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I'd like more time to review.

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I will review it, but I suspect that there would be a violation of the sunshine law,

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because I'm not allowed to discuss situations in private with another board member.

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And that must be a public discussion, I believe.

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and so I stopped doing it until there would be further direction as to how

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that is to be tackled in light of the Sunshine Law. The training has paid off.

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I have had opportunity and I am well, was it commented at an important time?

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Okay, all right, I'll probably need a little more time.

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Excuse me. Could you all pull your microphones a little bit closer to you? Thank you.

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Really?

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All right. I appreciate, I do know this was time and I kind of expected we were going

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to need more time, but that works out well. We've got some other changes that this will

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be incorporated into and I'll come and I'm going to explain that now.

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Okay excuse me before you go on I noticed the agenda split up into the

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presentation of survey results, public comment, and then our discussion.

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Discussion, yes. So I will just let you know whenever you think it's appropriate

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let me know we'll stop and then we'll move into the public comment.

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Well let me just say one more thing before I do the presentation. Well actually

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Well, that talk about the still having information come in was for everyone's benefit that this

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is draft.

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What I'm going to present, there will be some additional information coming in.

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This is largely the result of my work that I'm going to be presenting, but I just want

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to make it clear that this is a board effort and it's just going to take a little time

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to get all that incorporated.

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It will be.

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But the other thing that is new to the board here, when we, as the CAB, were assigned to

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do the Hurricane After Action Review, it was one of two reviews. The city is doing its

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own internal hurricane after action review. James clinches leading that up, and it's nearing

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completion and it's an internal report and it will be presented to the Venice City Council.

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I believe on April 8th. And so I had a meeting with Mr. LaValle, Mr. Clinch and Ms. Anderson

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yesterday and we would be asking you at a later point to give me your thoughts on how

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to coordinate the two reports in terms of, we will have recommendations for the city.

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And I want, we'll be discussing the value and knowing what the city has already identified

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as their own issues and recommendations that they'll be moving forward with.

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So as we come up with our recommendations to be informed by what the city is already

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doing internally might help improve our recommendations.

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So just keeping that in mind as I go through the survey results, we are moving into the

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phase for developing recommendations and so put your hats on for that one.

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So I'm going to, I've got the presentation here, someone.

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Okay.

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This is a new,

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just do that. All right. Good enough for now. All right. So we had the, as I, as I briefly mentioned, we had the report out for three weeks. It just closed last, last Friday. It was a request from the citizen advisory board to residents, visitors, workers in the city events to get there.

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to get their input.

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So today I'm just going to present the responses that we got to the survey with some comments

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to help interpret them.

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And then at the very last, we'll talk about the next steps for how we're going to complete.

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We as the CAB are going to complete the hurricane after action review.

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And you'll notice here that I'm starting with question number 19, there were only 20 questions but I just wanted to put this up first because I want to emphasize that out of the 880 responses by far most responses of how the city did

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are how satisfied people were with the city's response were favorable by far.

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Less than 20% of the respondents were dissatisfied or very dissatisfied with the city's response.

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So the purpose of the survey was to raise questions for how things could be improved.

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So I just wanted to make the point that this is not all negative.

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And in fact, the city is doing quite well, but there are still things to be done.

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So just to quickly go over who responded to the survey, it was mostly homeowners, but

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we did get a nice cross-section of other people in the community.

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and despite low numbers for some of the things like

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Taurus unhoused, we had one unhoused.

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I was very pleased with that.

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Didn't get any students.

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But we did get some valuable information.

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As I was looking through these responses,

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I was looking to see which were the most common responses

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and identify those as priorities.

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but I was also looking for those gems of information

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that just hadn't arisen elsewhere.

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So we got some good information from people with special needs,

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essential workers, renters, tourists.

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So I think we did all right with the response we got,

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or the people that chose to respond.

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We got, the respondents lived in, mostly lived in the evacuation levels that were called

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for mandatory evacuation.

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Level A was both Helene and Milton.

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Level A, B, and C was for Milton.

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But we still got good representation, generally some representation from the other higher elevations

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for level D and E. I want to I drew this line across here to show that we did have good

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representation from folks that were within near the beach and in floodprone areas. Some

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lived in both low lying areas near the beach, so it wasn't quite the hundred if you were

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to add this up, it's nearly 100, but 22 of those were in both areas, and I think that's

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pretty much the golden beach area if I'm correct.

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So we had good range of responses.

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So then we went into asking how people got updates about the storm, you know, what was

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going on before the storms hit.

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So most people got their information from weather apps, the television or the county city county alert system that came over text in that in that medium.

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Most everybody used more than one source of information, usually three or more.

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The city's media, social media and website were popular but those seemed to have limited

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access during the storm so maybe they were using that less and what I found interesting

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was that of these sources of information the radio was not used very much even though it

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require power or internet, and it would be avail, you know, you could access information

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from the radio stations even during the storm.

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So we've learned some lessons here,

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and so who evacuated?

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Relatively few people in this responding to this survey evacuated for Haleen.

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Most of those were in evacuation level A as was the mandatory evacuation level, but we got quite a few people from B and C and definitely from the beach and low lying floodplain areas.

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Similar story for Milton, although in larger numbers, the mandatory evacuation was for A, B and C. They evacuated in large numbers and near the beach and in floodplain area.

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prone areas. The people that didn't evacuate tended to be in those higher areas C and D

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that they felt safe.

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Of those that evacuated, you know, why didn't they go? Well, most of them

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that did not go felt safe where they were, but they would add that it was too much trouble,

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It was too expensive, so they chose not to go.

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We had a number of people who stayed because they were essential workers.

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They had to stay, and also there were many people that stayed because they had to take

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care of someone or some property, didn't feel they could go.

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Most people got evacuation notices, and only a few people were not able to evacuate,

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and we will be digging deeper into these data when we can to find out what happened.

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Why weren't those people able to evacuate if they wanted to?

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Evacuation centers were a big issue in this response.

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Most people didn't need an evacuation center, but some found we're not able

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to access the evacuation centers if they wanted them.

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Those people that did use the evacuation centers felt it was a good experience.

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So maybe we need to do a little more, apparently not all the evacuation centers were full.

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So we need to do a little better work on letting people know what's available.

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We wanted to know going into this survey, what the residents were doing to prepare for the storm.

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Certainly, the city has a great deal of responsibility for preparing us and keeping us safe, but

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some individual responsibility is important. And it was gratifying to see that people did actively

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prepare for the storm. Most people didn't, most people at least picked up their outdoor furniture

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and that sort of thing, but they did at least five of these tasks that were, these were derived

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from the city's hurricane guide. So people are working to prepare for the storm, but evacuation

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was a problem. The evacuation level was a problem, so we need to work on that. So before the storm,

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people wanted information. This is prepared, notices about to prepare for the storm to evacuate,

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that there would be outages in internet phone and power.

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So people wanted to know what to expect.

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That was the most important.

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They wanted, and then infrastructure and water and police

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presence rated less.

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I wanted to point out in the next question,

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in the open-ended question, that people could explain.

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They said, they didn't mean to say

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that these infrastructure water and police presence were not important. It was just the structure

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of the question forced them to rank them so these other information sources were more important.

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So in that open-ended question people were able to write whatever they wanted,

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particularly hopefully about before the storm. And again, most were satisfied with the

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city before the storm and had no comment.

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But of those, this is just a selection of what I pulled out.

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I was frankly limited on space on this slide and just wanted to give you a flavor of what

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we saw.

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The full list will be in the report.

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So messaging is important.

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The messages from the city are good, but they're not reaching many people.

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So there was frustration that they didn't know what was going on.

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We heard lots of comments about the sandbags, improving the evacuation procedure, more

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evacuation centers, and help for special needs, particularly the elderly.

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Lots of feedback about improved drainages, particularly flamingo ditch, but there were many other areas

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around the city that need to be addressed.

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not all comments pertain to what the city is able to manage.

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For instance, calling for installation of underground utilities to help protect our power

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is not a city service, but maybe we can have some recommendations to forward to the powers that be.

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So then during the storm, again, information was critical, police rescue and water services.

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I think people just ranked about equally.

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I think people just kind of just picked them and fire protection and reaching the city.

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Nobody really expected much in the way of city services during the storm,

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which was reflected in the comments in the following question.

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So, again, information, information, information, people just want to know something about the storm

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so they can make decisions to protect their property and their safety.

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some expectations needed to be managed, like what do we expect for power, phone, internet

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connectivity during the storm, keeping the water on.

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There are communication issues that the city can deal with there.

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and some other recommendations.

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And then if you evacuated,

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what best describes your experience?

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The motivation for putting this question in there,

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even though the evacuation is beyond the city boundaries

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even, let alone city services.

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During Haleen, there were 50 water rescues

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when not so many people evacuated.

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During Milton there were no water rescues.

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And so, I think that very clearly illustrates the importance of evacuation to keeping people safe not only the residents, but the emergency personnel that are called out during dangerous situations.

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So, most people were able to evacuate with no issues.

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So, some people needed help with evacuation routes and hotels and safe destinations.

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More communication about what the storm was doing, so they would know when it's safe

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to return.

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And my other takeaway from this information was that there are barriers to evacuations

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that we need to address to encourage more people to leave during the storms.

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Because I'm worried about this group that probably won't evacuate again.

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That's something we can address, I hope.

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Okay, so challenges during the recovery after the storm.

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Most people were most concerned about getting their services restored.

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Their internet, their phone, power, and water.

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Then debris removal. That was another big topic of outcome of this survey was people

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wanted the debris removed or at least to understand why it wasn't being removed when

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they saw trucks driving around the city.

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Rebuilding, not so many people had to deal with it because

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they didn't have the level because it was a limited population, but rebuilding and getting

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permits were an issue.

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And then there were significant people, a number of

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I have a lot of people, and I will include myself in this, that didn't have damage to my home or I'm in a condo, I don't have to worry about the landscaping. Mental health, you know, you still got PTSD. Still wanted to use the outdoor areas and make sure that they were clean from, you know, not polluted and that sort of thing. So there was a fair group associated with those answers.

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So,

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most important during recovery, information, information, and more specifically, when can we drink the water?

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What are the resources that are available to find volunteers to recharge my phone, to access an internet?

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When is it safe to walk on the beach? That sort of thing.

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And again, special needs people need help, one person in particular wanted to make sure

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we understood that special needs people with medical conditions need to stay in contact

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with their medical providers.

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The permit process needs to be streamlined, something needs to happen to make it easier in

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particular because damage is being done and frustration runs high.

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and I think it's becoming more contentious than it needs to to interact between the city staff

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and the residents looking to do their repairs. Clearing waterways, managing pollution, and this one,

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3B is kind of at the bottom of the list, but I think it has potential to answer a lot of the

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needs that were identified that coordinating volunteers and connecting volunteers with

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needs, connecting people with the volunteers, it could go a long way to answering some

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of the issues that were raised.

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So city services afterwards, restoration of the infrastructure as we just saw as a challenge

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with recovery. Information, law enforcement, and emergency personnel ranked roughly equally,

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and the building department, I think it was just dealt with by fewer people where it was a priority.

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So after the storm, removing barriers to repairs and building, centralizing recovery information,

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and perhaps something like the Venice Community Center could be used as a place that people

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just know to come to to find some of the information we've been talking about.

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Here's could also serve for phone banks and such to relieve pressure from the city staff

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who could be doing other things, right?

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So making sure that road conditions are safe and debris is collected that the traffic

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lights are working or if there's police where they're not working and fix the signs.

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So then just to address the volunteers, we had a large group of people that contributed

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their time.

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There were some people that wanted to volunteer, but they didn't know where to go to help out.

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Some people needed help, but they didn't know where to find it.

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Fair amount of people recognized that they were help.

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And a large chunk haven't volunteered.

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They were dealing with their own situations, I suppose.

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But I just wanted to point out that these people that said volunteers helped me.

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I think more people maybe didn't recognize that there were volunteer days where the city

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was cleaned up, parks were cleaned up and that sort of thing and that was all volunteers.

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So I think we all enjoyed benefits of the volunteers.

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And I just also want to make a point that there is a large pool of people here that I think

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could help if organized before the next storm comes that we could lighten the load on

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everybody.

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So finally, the last question is any additional comments, and there were a lot of repeats from what we've already heard, so I don't need to go through all of that.

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We did hear loud and clear about drainage. We heard loud and clearly about debris removal.

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allowed and clearly about needing to better access to

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communications and permitting.

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But one that came up is excessive development may be

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responsible for overwhelming city services and

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infrastructure. And if all those people are hitting the road

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at the same time, that's going to hinder evacuations

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and that's not a safe situation, so.

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So there you have it, that's the first level of summary.

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From here, we will be listening to residents' input today,

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and taking other input as we develop this hurricane after action review.

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The survey is going to be a primary source,

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but we can use any information that we want.

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We'll be summarizing those responses.

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And that will be discussing will likely be in coordination

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with the city's hurricane after action review.

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We'll develop our recommendations, complete the report

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and present it to the council.

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Right now, it looks like the second council meeting in June.

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So there you have it.

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Thank you very much, let me express the appreciation of the entire board for all your efforts on this matter.

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Well, thank you.

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Okay, so now we will enter the public comment on the 2024 hurricane season.

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Madam Clerk, do we have anyone?

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You just had the one gentleman who already spoke.

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Okay, so there's no further comments, speakers.

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All right.

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You want to do it after you speak?

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I will.

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Thank

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you for joining us.

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Yeah, thank you for having me here.

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My name is Brian Piper.

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I live at 385 Flomingo Drive, which is in Golden Beach.

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And it was one of the heavily impacted areas

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by Colleen and Milton.

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After watching the presentation, just one

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of the share of thought in the comment,

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obviously a lot of work went into developing this survey,

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which is great.

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And I reflected on that first pie chart that was shown up there.

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And the fact that by and large it seemed like most were satisfied with what the city did.

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I'm wondering and hopefully you can do this because of well the survey was put together

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as to extract the data that was specific to like the Golden Beach area and the beach area

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around there that was impacted.

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Take a look at that data and those responses and develop maybe a subset or a separate

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set of recommendations specific to that area.

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Understand that, you know, by and large, the city was satisfied and it's a lot larger

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obviously than the Golden Beach area, but I guess I'd like to see this group if they could

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pull together recommendation that would be specific recommendations that would be specific

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to that area.

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Thank you.

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Those are my thoughts.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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My

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name is Loretta Elliott. I live at 601 Flamingo Drive, and I will join Brian

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Piper and Israel-Sillinas in my comments about the Flamingo Ditch. I think we've

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all heard a lot about the Flamingo Ditch over the last couple months. I've

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been an owner in on Flamingo Drive for 25 years. I've lived here full-time for 10,

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and I have probably B-I-G-C-H-D-D about the swales and the ditch for all of those years.

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Work was done. I don't recall right now what year it was that work was done.

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They used an empty lot across the street for all the work to do the remediation

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and my swale by my house and across the street has never been worse since my work was done.

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So something happened, it's not cleaned out.

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I constantly called to ask it to be dug out.

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I used to be able to stand in the soil,

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and it was up to here on me.

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Now it's probably filled with so much sediment.

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I could stand in there and it's only up to my knees.

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So the flamingo ditch is an issue,

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and I think it should be addressed.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else who cared to speak at this time?

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We will close the public comment section.

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move on to unfinished business, hurricane after action review, next steps.

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When do we talk about the report and our reflections on the report?

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I would say right now, I would ask Davis if she has any further presentation for us,

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or if now we would open up for board discussion concerning our next steps.

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Um, always have something else to say.

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You know me better than that.

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Um, let's see.

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Well, let's throw it open to the board and see what comments they have.

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And then I'll come back and have a few comments to wind up this part of the meeting.

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Very good. If you'd like to comment, just raise your hand if you recognize, please.

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I'll go first.

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All right.

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I thought the overall report summary was terrific. I think there's a challenge of trying

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to get something succinct in terms of representation because you don't want to go on and on. At the

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same time, it sometimes topics appear to be more global and need more specificity which

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takes more time. So I'm hoping with the assignments that we've had regarding the open-ended questions

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to summarize them more, we can add in more specificity into the ultimate end report.

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Do you also have comments? Sure,

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I'm sorry.

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First I'd like to applaud Dr. Davis for the time and I understand that Lorraine Anderson did the

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graphics and she deserves our kudos my kudos and I'm sure the board joins me in doing that so thank

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you very much.

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The flamingo ditch from the beginning when council and I was there for that meeting

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undoubtedly has a problem unique problem and issue and I think that the city has heard it and

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And don't know what the issue is, but I think it will get attention enough.

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Actually from what the initial report was when Frank and Mr. Cleansch gave to Dr. Davis

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report, there's not a wide gap.

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There seems to be some improvement, but most people were generally pleased with how the city

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performed and so that that match is is very important. That doesn't mean that

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there isn't room for improvement, but I was pleased in terms of the results and

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it's alignment with what Mr. Clinch and Mr. Giddens presented some two or

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three months ago. One of the things that I will comment on and this is a pat on the

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back to where I live. It's apparent that the city is involved in its priorities in terms

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of dealing with things. And when that happens, I think it is important. And the way our communities

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are set up, many of which are by HOAs or POAs, so forth, that there is a need for sort

459
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:47,060
of a posse within your own community or a volunteer group to deal with this and I don't

460
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:52,140
want to comment, but I know in Flamingo ditch, I don't know where the swells are and the

461
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:58,960
clearing out of the ditch, but are there citizens group within your community who will take

462
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
upon that responsibility?

463
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:09,720
We're in our community, we've developed since 2016, our own volunteer course, or a

464
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:15,580
like a vile's tear fire department, of volunteer corps during the hurricane, and we've covered

465
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:21,440
almost every aspect that you can imagine in terms of communication, clearing things, post

466
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,920
hurricane, communication, internal communications, alerts, all of that.

467
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:35,100
And I would hope that, and they've heard me before that the city, especially it is hurricane

468
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:42,600
expo, would encourage each community to develop their own group, to deal with some of the

469
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:49,300
things that come up during a hurricane, which you pointed out, that because the city is

470
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:56,040
so consumed with their own things, are there anything that residents can do themselves, or

471
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,960
a band of residents can do themselves to...

472
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:30,950
Assists with the process. And I think that's, we've had great success with it. There's another community who went through the training. There may be number of communities can share with other communities. Here are things that you can do that address many of the things that she brought out. Thank you. Thank you. I just like to take a moment. Again, appreciate the response and the area that I was specifically assigned to review was the

473
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:38,230
preparation and one of the specific items that came up time and time again was the sandbags and I've

474
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:44,070
a little bit of research and found out that there's very little consistency amongst government

475
00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:52,630
entities in the sandbag issue and I could also come up with the, it found the automation information

476
00:45:52,630 --> 00:46:01,920
on the automatic machines but in referring back to Mr. reference comments, you know I'm wondering if

477
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:14,840
When we give recommendations to the city, if we also could consider recommendations that can be handled by the populace, without putting the burden further on our minimum,

478
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:29,580
could sandbag automation and distribution be handled by volunteers through specific nonprofit groups that would like to get involved in that possibly our faith community.

479
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:38,220
our city employees and officials certainly have a lot to do if there's something like that.

480
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:43,920
I know this last time in O'Vabby was great of all in turn to assist with that, but if there's

481
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,880
in our recommendations, I want to recommend that we also look at alternative sources,

482
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,000
as force solutions to issues that we face during the storm season.

483
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:03,190
How much?

484
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,040
Okay.

485
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,680
I was seeing no further comments from the board.

486
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:19,880
At this time we can either make a motion concerning this after review or we can continue

487
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,300
discussion to the next meeting.

488
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:29,860
Let me go ahead and pick up if more discussion is if everybody's had a chance to say what's

489
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:30,380
on their mind.

490
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:32,080
I've just got a couple of things.

491
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:33,820
Please.

492
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,240
Your homework.

493
00:47:40,060 --> 00:47:48,000
So if you could finish your open-ended review or your open-ended questions and have them

494
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:55,720
into Amanda by next Wednesday, is that, do the best you can, we'd appreciate it.

495
00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:04,000
And I'd also like to just go back and refer to the population input and.

496
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Excuse me.

497
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,100
When you say the open ended questions.

498
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:12,140
The questions you were asked to review.

499
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,440
Well, it said number five or whatever.

500
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:16,960
Where is number five?

501
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,480
Number five was your.

502
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:28,310
or people's comments before the story, did you?

503
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,340
I just want to make sure everybody got it,

504
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,760
because I was a little confused.

505
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,500
I saw, I don't know, the rest of the board, but I didn't see.

506
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,300
Did you see the, did you see the,

507
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:51,240
Rod, there were a series of files sent out

508
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:59,920
that had the raw responses from all 880 people for five questions, did you see it in the heart?

509
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:04,680
No, maybe it's me but I didn't see it and that was sent out.

510
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:12,080
Okay, Lorraine has hard copies for those that would like it. Did everyone find the questions

511
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:19,500
that I'm referring to? The date. Okay, so this reference, if Lorraine has a hard copy?

512
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:20,940
I think he hasn't seen it.

513
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:22,500
You haven't seen it yet.

514
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:23,360
There was a link.

515
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:26,520
I think it came from Ms. Michaels,

516
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:33,740
and it took a little tracking to find it.

517
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:35,500
So we'll make sure...

518
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:39,080
Can you make sure that that link is sent back out?

519
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:45,360
I think to our directories,

520
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,260
which you have access, you all should have access to its Excel file,

521
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:56,500
in which each question I think had its own tab that Mary put together and so you would

522
00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:02,740
find your question that Mary's asking you to review and then if you had comments it's

523
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:06,960
my understanding that you would individually give them to you.

524
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,620
I think Mr. Efron didn't see where the Excel spreadsheet resided, he didn't go to that link

525
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:14,100
I guess.

526
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:19,120
He would need to click the link that was in the email that was sent to you and that would

527
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,760
take you right through the directory and the file.

528
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:22,820
My, my bad.

529
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Well, and Lorraine has a paper copy and anticipation

530
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:27,360
that some people may not have.

531
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:27,860
Which I like.

532
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Maybe you're more comfortable with paper.

533
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,260
I, I always am.

534
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,160
I'm available.

535
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,340
Yeah, we're good.

536
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,620
And, and the, the other question just before you begin,

537
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:45,060
given the, the sunshine rule, is it there are two people?

538
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:46,340
How, how is that?

539
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:47,860
Well, thank you.

540
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:48,480
Yeah, clarification.

541
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:50,840
How was that enacted?

542
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:56,820
Clarification was sent out that those two people were not meant to confer.

543
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:05,600
They were just meant to send in their own reviews of the responses to that particular

544
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:05,920
question.

545
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:06,240
Okay.

546
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:06,800
Thank you.

547
00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:07,780
Right.

548
00:51:08,460 --> 00:51:10,100
Shouldn't be a violation of the Sunshine Law.

549
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:10,560
Good.

550
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:21,000
We had a request from one of the audience members to break out some of the data to make

551
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:27,600
sure that, like from Golden Beach, which we may be able to do, I'll try it.

552
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:35,130
But we were each assigned a different group in the population.

553
00:51:35,130 --> 00:51:39,610
I had nature in natural areas and waterways.

554
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:44,670
Somebody had tourists and business and that sort of thing.

555
00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:51,070
Are you all satisfied with the level of responses that we've got so far?

556
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:53,510
Or do you think you're going to want to go?

557
00:51:54,210 --> 00:51:59,930
We can pull out that information, pull out those answers to all the questions.

558
00:51:59,930 --> 00:52:05,350
If you want to look further into the group that you were you were responsible for

559
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:07,130
Contact it.

560
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:11,650
So throw that open for discussion. Would it

561
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:19,670
My question clear did the business community respond back to us with ways to tell that it was a business?

562
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:21,110
Yes, they did responding

563
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:23,790
Okay, all right

564
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:28,770
Okay, all right, I'll break those out.

565
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:34,400
Okay, so

566
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:41,500
So we'll be bringing in this information and it will be incorporated and Mr. Carrier

567
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:46,220
comments are right on that we can put the detail in the report.

568
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:51,880
We don't want to lose that information, but the report is the appropriate place for

569
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,280
it or at least I agree.

570
00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:20,260
Okay so as you move into this next month as we prepare for the April 18th meeting, we need to start thinking about recommendations and we've had a couple of interesting ones here and we were directed to give recommendations to the city.

571
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:28,540
There are other areas of recommendations that are beyond like the wingspan, like Florida

572
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:32,680
power and light, the county for evacuation centers, and that sort of thing.

573
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:41,180
And then recommendations that citizens may be able to enact without putting the burden

574
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:42,480
on the city, that sort of thing.

575
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:49,940
Do we need a motion to expand the recommendations to that, to include more than just recommendations

576
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:56,080
to the city or how do anybody have any idea what to do there personally I think this is about

577
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,480
City

578
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,570
At this point and send it out to somebody else. It's it's another

579
00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:04,830
task

580
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,880
Comments on that

581
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,760
I agree. I think the the charge was to to provide

582
00:54:13,580 --> 00:54:15,920
Report to to city the city

583
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:19,340
Things that they can can control I

584
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:26,960
I concur, I think the way to do this on a meeting and I don't know the exact

585
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:34,720
thing of having sort of been workshop for us with the old chart board and flip

586
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:41,460
chart and that we come as a group come up with recommendation to the city

587
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:47,260
and agree on that where all of us are involved in that in that workshop type

588
00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:53,540
process? I understand that the recommendation was made earlier by Dr. Davies in

589
00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:59,920
discussion is that each of us by Wednesday each of the board members would submit

590
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:05,480
specific recommendations to the city clerk primarily on their assigned area

591
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:11,780
question 10 through 15 but also in general submit those recommendations and

592
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:16,960
writing and that that would be the starting point for that whiteboard discussion

593
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,920
and you're referring to NRL and our equal meeting?

594
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:21,460
Well, let me clarify.

595
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:27,860
What I would like by next Wednesday is a summary

596
00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:31,280
of the question you were assigned to.

597
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:31,520
Right.

598
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,140
So that's a summary.

599
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:33,760
All right.

600
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,060
And we need to be thinking about recommendations

601
00:55:37,550 --> 00:55:39,960
as we move towards the April meeting.

602
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:44,140
So we don't want you to arrive in April

603
00:55:44,140 --> 00:55:52,480
not having given serious consideration to given everything you've seen, what would

604
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,880
you like the city?

605
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:02,460
Well, what did the city do right and do well and what could they do

606
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:02,920
to improve?

607
00:56:06,260 --> 00:56:13,500
Okay, so-

608
00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:20,960
If we did something well or didn't do something well, that would be listed under the report.

609
00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:29,140
If it was a recommendation, it could address those things you did well or that, but it's

610
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:30,220
two separate entities.

611
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:31,000
Good point.

612
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,620
Good point.

613
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,100
Yeah.

614
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,820
So that's just formatting the results of the survey.

615
00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:38,040
Right.

616
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:38,640
Okay.

617
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:40,820
But we still need recommendations.

618
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:57,380
Yes, yes. No, I'm fine. I've got a little muddle. I agree. I agree. So is it possible to request on the board to summarize the response to the air they were assigned to and in addition to that make specific recommendations?

619
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:03,720
Absolutely. Absolutely. As soon as we can start collecting recommendations, I think the easier this is going to go.

620
00:57:05,070 --> 00:57:06,090
Thank

621
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:13,470
you.

622
00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:20,010
In terms of the process here, Dr. Davis and I and Laurence spent a good time talking

623
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:26,590
about this yesterday, and our suggestion is certainly preliminary recommendations totally

624
00:57:26,590 --> 00:57:32,270
appropriate right now, but a very important step in this process, as you sort through your

625
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:41,030
immense data that's been collected, is recognizing which of these comments are perception, right?

626
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:46,650
or an opinion of what happened to that individual during the storm and which of these comments are

627
00:57:47,250 --> 00:57:52,070
actually something that needs to be addressed in a recommendation. And the reason that's so

628
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:57,150
important is the recommendation itself is going to be very different if it is a perception,

629
00:57:57,650 --> 00:58:04,430
education, communication issue versus it's something that the city needs to improve on and change

630
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:09,350
for next time. So I just want to make sure we don't kind of jump that step and I think that's really

631
00:58:09,350 --> 00:58:15,390
important for your next meeting. We will be, as Dr. Davis said, presenting our after-action

632
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:21,930
report, which is an internal self-assessment based on all the department directors of

633
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:27,170
how we performed and ways that we can improve. We'll be presenting that at the April 8th meeting

634
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:32,630
to City Council. And then we would offer to present it here at your April 16th meeting. Briefly,

635
00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:37,610
don't want to take up too much of your time. But I think it would be really valuable and complimentary

636
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:47,170
to that step I just spoke about, to kind of sorting through, you know, which of these are areas we need to do more education, and which of these are areas we need to make some physical changes.

637
00:58:47,990 --> 00:59:00,610
And again, we're not shying away from either one of those, but there are two distinct categories there. I've just one good example that came up on the presentation as it said, you know, the city should wave building permit fees.

638
00:59:01,250 --> 00:59:05,190
Well, we did wave building permanent fees and we can get you that information.

639
00:59:05,490 --> 00:59:08,950
So, we wouldn't want you to jump ahead and say, we recommend that for next time.

640
00:59:09,050 --> 00:59:10,630
Well, we actually did it.

641
00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:15,630
So, there's going to be some of these items where we just need to get some additional clarification

642
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:16,730
from the city.

643
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:20,530
And I think a lot of that will happen through this report.

644
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:26,470
But I would also offer, if there's a specific topic that you all really, you know, you heard

645
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:30,290
heard from the public, and this is an area that people are very concerned about.

646
00:59:30,750 --> 00:59:35,330
We are happy to spend as much time as you need to kind of sort through what really happened

647
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:38,690
so that your recommendation is really valuable to City Council.

648
00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:44,410
So if that involves bringing some directors in on specific topics, like say you want to

649
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:49,550
talk about debris in a little bit more detail, I can help you to a certain point, but we may

650
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:52,370
need to bring our public works director in here to talk to you.

651
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:58,250
If you really want to learn more about what happened with debris, so you have the lead on that charge

652
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:59,970
I would just offer that to you if

653
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
There's a specific topic that we need to get a little bit more detailed on. We have all of that information, and we're glad to share it with you. But I do think this report will clarify a lot of that, and we'll help you move into that. The city's internal. Yes, yes, for sure. Thank you. If I may follow up on that. I hadn't gotten as far as announcing the agenda for next meeting, but that certainly is

654
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:43,800
what makes sense is for Mr. Clinch is going to release the the city's HR on April 2nd. So you'll

655
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:50,760
have access to that. You'll be able to download it and read it. He'll make a presentation to the

656
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:59,000
city council on April 8th. And so you'll be able to watch a video. They'll send us the link and the

657
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:05,840
time within that video so you can watch that. So you should be very familiar with what the city is

658
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:13,240
doing. You'll be able to see the detail that he's got in his report that you may or may not be

659
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:22,380
able to get to that level of detail in front of the council. But then on the 16th I would like to

660
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:28,220
recommend to the board that we accept Mr. Clinton's offer to come present the

661
01:01:28,220 --> 01:01:35,800
city's H-H-R here and briefly because we will have access to those to the

662
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,280
report in the video so we don't really need to ask him to go to that full

663
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:45,480
extent but we will be able to have a have a discussion with him if you have the

664
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:51,540
recommendations that you have in mind that you've been thinking about we can we

665
01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:58,500
can you know say all right you know you know what what is I don't want to get

666
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:03,580
into a you know what about the sandbags what is the city doing and you know this

667
01:02:03,580 --> 01:02:08,080
is a priority what we heard you know what is the city you know and kind of not go

668
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:13,220
back and forth to but to kind of hone down what's reasonable in terms of what's

669
01:02:13,220 --> 01:02:17,040
a perception what can be addressed with better communication,

670
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:21,420
what is something that actually needs to be more actively

671
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:26,020
pursued by the city, or maybe it goes into that pot

672
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:29,560
that it's not a specific recommendation for the city,

673
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:31,600
but wouldn't it be nice if?

674
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,240
I don't know what to call that last pot,

675
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,880
that maybe the citizens could take on some volunteering

676
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,140
or some, this is for us to develop.

677
01:02:40,140 --> 01:02:49,540
I'm kind of, not sure how to say that last one, but is everyone okay with that plan that we have our recommendations in mind?

678
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:55,260
It won't exactly be the flip chart meeting that you're asking for, which I love.

679
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:57,060
I love that those meetings are so productive.

680
01:02:57,940 --> 01:03:06,520
But we have the offer from Mr. Clinch and I think it would be very productive to help window down our ideas to be the most effective.

681
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:08,580
Does that make sense to everybody else?

682
01:03:08,580 --> 01:03:20,240
I see. So review for us again what you want from next Wednesday. That's our homework.

683
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:29,600
Next Wednesday. Miss Anderson gave you the responses to all the questions, the open

684
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:41,100
questions meaning they were written and summarized it. Don't comment it. Summarize it. Only

685
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:50,380
summarize. Okay. But it might suggest recommendations to you and keep a note of those. Okay. And then

686
01:03:50,380 --> 01:03:59,920
do you want, secondly, any other recommendations for this report which you said will start

687
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:03,300
the group discussion of recommendations.

688
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:05,820
I heard you say that.

689
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,540
This is what, okay, so.

690
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,020
Rather than a flip chart.

691
01:04:12,610 --> 01:04:12,910
Yes.

692
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:18,930
This Mr. Clinch coming will have us begin gathering

693
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:21,270
our list of recommendations.

694
01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:27,660
And so just how are we gonna,

695
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:28,960
maybe we'll put up a flip chart.

696
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:34,320
Maybe we have somebody recording that we can all see

697
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:41,020
somehow on the computer or whatever that's projected that we can start our list of recommendations.

698
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,460
Can I ask Mr. Clinton the question, Mr. Chair?

699
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:54,900
Okay. Mr. Clinton, in terms of what you want to do, one of the overall things that I believe

700
01:04:54,900 --> 01:05:03,760
is that this is a citizens committee totally pure and distance from the administration, shall we say.

701
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,120
Well, any of what you talk, influence any of us.

702
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:17,170
So we're not giving our own naive, by nature,

703
01:05:17,850 --> 01:05:20,770
simple recommendations, but influenced

704
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:21,950
by your presentation.

705
01:05:22,530 --> 01:05:23,090
Does that make sense?

706
01:05:23,790 --> 01:05:24,090
It does.

707
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:24,870
It does.

708
01:05:25,230 --> 01:05:29,750
So therefore, should your presentation come before or after ours?

709
01:05:30,910 --> 01:05:32,630
So that's a really good point.

710
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:35,210
And certainly, it's up to you all.

711
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:37,250
how you want to organize the process.

712
01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:40,530
What I would offer is I believe our reports

713
01:05:40,530 --> 01:05:42,770
are going to be complimentary to each other.

714
01:05:43,150 --> 01:05:44,350
So, I'm sorry.

715
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:44,990
It's okay.

716
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:48,030
So, looking at the data,

717
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:49,470
which our report is comprehensive,

718
01:05:49,630 --> 01:05:50,890
it's 45 pages right now,

719
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:52,730
and we've had to cut a lot out of it

720
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:55,150
just to keep it to that level.

721
01:05:56,550 --> 01:05:59,790
So our report is gonna provide some factual information,

722
01:06:00,070 --> 01:06:02,750
not opinions, not a perspective

723
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:04,590
from a different city perspective.

724
01:06:04,590 --> 01:06:10,950
just factual information on what happened, what we did, why we did it, and how we and all of the

725
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:16,070
industry professionals throughout the city would recommend we improve this for the next time.

726
01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:21,650
So that's what it's going to give you, which should not influence your recommendation. If your

727
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:28,190
recommendation has a public perspective, it doesn't take away from the fact that this was impactful or

728
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:33,090
concerning or hurt someone in our community and we need to work on it, but it may help you as

729
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:34,810
as you're working towards those recommendations,

730
01:06:35,370 --> 01:06:36,470
because there's gonna be a lot of overlap.

731
01:06:36,730 --> 01:06:38,310
I mean, the issues that we're talking about

732
01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:41,450
are the same exact issues that you're talking about.

733
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:44,410
I think it should just add some additional detail

734
01:06:44,410 --> 01:06:46,550
and some background to ultimately bring you

735
01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:47,310
to those recommendations.

736
01:06:48,130 --> 01:06:51,370
I'll still go back to what I said, Mr. President, Chair.

737
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:55,330
I think we do the recommendations

738
01:06:55,330 --> 01:06:58,330
so that we can look into the eye of any citizens

739
01:06:58,330 --> 01:07:00,410
to say these are our recommendations.

740
01:07:00,410 --> 01:07:05,530
We heard the presentation about five weeks ago or eight weeks ago.

741
01:07:05,830 --> 01:07:10,290
We did our own research, we put out a survey, here are our recommendations.

742
01:07:11,470 --> 01:07:18,190
It'd be interesting to see afterwards whether our recommendations sink with what he's

743
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:18,410
saying.

744
01:07:18,610 --> 01:07:23,810
But I don't, I hate to say this, I don't want to be influenced in terms of reg, I'd rather

745
01:07:23,810 --> 01:07:31,150
start from the ground zero then have a head start because I know more information than

746
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:38,710
any citizen who I represent. I represent the citizens, not the administration, no

747
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:38,970
offense.

748
01:07:41,250 --> 01:07:48,910
If I may comment on both sides of that, I hear and recognize what you're saying, but I

749
01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:58,070
the board we've been charged to do is to report to the council on how this

750
01:07:58,070 --> 01:08:06,730
citizenry thinks the city did. Correct. That is one charge to me that stands

751
01:08:06,730 --> 01:08:10,570
alone for many things that the city might tell us in their review of the

752
01:08:10,570 --> 01:08:17,630
problems. But we need to report what the citizenry represented us was done

753
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:18,790
Well, it was on poorly.

754
01:08:19,870 --> 01:08:28,630
And then the second part of that is to make recommendations to the City Council on ways

755
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:31,950
that we think that can be improved.

756
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:38,690
The first part, I think we have to make sure that we keep our heads clear that we are

757
01:08:38,690 --> 01:08:40,750
actually representing what was reported to us.

758
01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:46,290
On the second part, though, I think the city staff and Mr.

759
01:08:46,450 --> 01:09:01,050
Klench's report was very valuable to us to help us make sure that the recommendations that we are making based on what this history told us are possible,

760
01:09:03,220 --> 01:09:12,040
proper and in line with the city staff's ability and what their observations and their solutions that they're already put it into places.

761
01:09:13,060 --> 01:09:22,200
I see there's two sections, understates independent and recommendations that takes their knowledge to help own our recommendations to make them even better.

762
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:28,540
We're saying that some of our recommendations may be influenced by Mr. Clinton's report if I may put a name on it.

763
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:41,140
I think our recommendations will be, I don't think our portion of our report, the report to the city council, how the citizenry felt about the city's actions.

764
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:46,540
So, Mr. Clint's, and again, I'm talking about super.

765
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:53,520
If Mr. Clint says, well, we've hired the, here's our sandbag approach since that, and

766
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:54,200
it's perfect.

767
01:09:55,420 --> 01:10:01,700
And we have on there improved the sandbag approach, I like, with the gentleman said, about the automated

768
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:02,020
thing.

769
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,320
We take that recommendation off because he's already done it.

770
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:11,520
Well, I think that we tell the City Council that this is a sandbag situation needs to be improved.

771
01:10:11,860 --> 01:10:16,360
And in that case, if we really like what the city's coming up with, that we recommend

772
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:22,400
that they follow the city's staff's recommendation, if we think they've done an excellent job with

773
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:22,940
the solution.

774
01:10:23,860 --> 01:10:25,460
I've made my point.

775
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:25,860
Okay.

776
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:34,060
I think it's that we hear his comments, I'm sorry, the city's comment, after we as a group

777
01:10:34,060 --> 01:10:41,320
to come up with recommendations just to see how we're in sync to what they're doing.

778
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:42,840
It's my comment.

779
01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:43,960
That's it.

780
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,980
Um, yeah, I, you know, there is something to be said for having the two reports.

781
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:55,240
You know, we have a, they have their report vetted and published.

782
01:10:55,460 --> 01:11:01,660
We still have a long list of recommendations, but at that point, put them together and see

783
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:02,300
if all right.

784
01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:04,960
Well, they do have a good sandbag system.

785
01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:07,580
We can say this was our priority,

786
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,380
but we feel that the city has addressed it.

787
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:11,220
So, afterwards.

788
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:12,860
Afterwards, yeah.

789
01:11:13,780 --> 01:11:14,800
Is that more along the lines

790
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,320
what you were thinking we would do?

791
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,040
The sequence, yes.

792
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,320
Let the city just let the council decide.

793
01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:28,440
Here's the citizens advisory thing about more sandbags.

794
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,220
That's when the administration

795
01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:35,320
and Senator Jaxon say, well, we appreciate their advice,

796
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:38,160
but this is what we've done regarding sandbags.

797
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Okay, it's got to be separate.

798
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:43,600
Could I ask a question?

799
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:44,340
So we're on the same page.

800
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:49,160
Could I ask in terms of timing and what we get?

801
01:11:49,540 --> 01:11:54,360
So you would be okay with next meeting

802
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,700
focus on our summaries and our recommendations

803
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:02,660
and not yet worry about a presentation of the city's report.

804
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:03,400
That's correct.

805
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:04,840
Okay.

806
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:07,580
You said at that meeting.

807
01:12:07,820 --> 01:12:08,660
At that meeting, correct.

808
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,360
Our girls and boys here.

809
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:13,180
Okay.

810
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,940
So what are your stands that we need to put,

811
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:19,920
or we are recommending that we postpone the city's report.

812
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,880
Their presentation to this board.

813
01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:24,240
Yeah, Mr.

814
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:27,750
Yes sir. Mr. Lolli.

815
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:33,460
I have to leave.

816
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:36,810
Okay.

817
01:12:39,370 --> 01:12:39,890
Afternoon.

818
01:12:40,110 --> 01:12:40,690
Thank you for joining us.

819
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:41,050
So, Bruce.

820
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:48,720
Mr. Brief comment about the process that we discussed yesterday, like the Davis and

821
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:58,520
Mr. Clinton myself, the report that the staff did by design is objective and based on fact.

822
01:12:59,180 --> 01:13:05,860
And some of the fact is based on what the law governs us to do in some of it, just procedure

823
01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:07,520
that we've developed the wrong policy.

824
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:17,960
I think the benefit for you in addressing the second part, Chair Weed, very succinctly

825
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:24,800
clarified what the mission is that you've established yourself, is to not get caught

826
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,120
up in making recommendations based on misperception.

827
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:34,800
So I think the strategy is great, you're going to summarize everybody's, you've got the collective

828
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:41,040
opinion from hundreds of people's great. And so that's you decided that by the way. I think when

829
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:48,380
this first came out, I think I discussed with the board what the charge was from the council.

830
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:56,220
The council's charge is very simple. Tell us what could have been done better. Tell us what was

831
01:13:56,220 --> 01:14:03,580
done well. So it's basically your determination based on you determined all the methodology how you

832
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:07,700
come to draw these conclusions, but it was very simple, didn't tell you had to do a survey.

833
01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:13,700
You decided to do one, it was very clever, because you got hundreds of public opinions.

834
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:19,760
You may not have otherwise got a great tool, but no one told you had to do this, so the

835
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:24,480
fact that you were going to synthesize all those public comments is great because that

836
01:14:25,340 --> 01:14:29,500
validates the value of that tool, that you determined to do, you determined to do that.

837
01:14:29,500 --> 01:14:40,880
So Chair Weeds, this dissection of that one tool as part of the overall process that will lead to recommendation.

838
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:48,580
So that part is, you don't have to consider what the staff did or what's in the report the

839
01:14:48,580 --> 01:14:55,120
Mr. Coaches is going to present because that part of it you determined to assimilate public opinion.

840
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,240
A lot of that public opinion has already been provided to the council, but you did a broader reach.

841
01:14:59,500 --> 01:14:59,860
you

842
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,700
So listen to it, and you got answers, a very specific questions. Great. Mr. Glintz's report is going to present process outcomes based on our policy based on what governs us. When you, when it comes to the recommendation, I think the only comment I wanted to suggest is here, don't make your recommendations based on misperceptions that may be in some of those comments. For example, I made a list of

843
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:33,640
of nine common areas that people commented on.

844
01:15:33,980 --> 01:15:37,200
Everything from, you should have told us

845
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:38,480
when you turn the water off,

846
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,480
so you should have shelters, things like that.

847
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,580
Okay, so for example, shelters is a good example.

848
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:46,040
We're not allowed by law in any capacity

849
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:48,000
to have a public shelter, period.

850
01:15:48,740 --> 01:15:49,640
Public would like it.

851
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,540
They'd like to have one in Venice,

852
01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:52,680
I think we should have one.

853
01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:53,880
It's very common common.

854
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:56,740
But for you to recommend as a boy

855
01:15:56,740 --> 01:15:58,900
that a lot of people think that's a good idea,

856
01:15:58,900 --> 01:16:03,560
So we probably should pursue that, the state law does not allow us to have it.

857
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,120
We're not going to have it unless you want to suggest that the law changes,

858
01:16:07,700 --> 01:16:10,340
but the law, the state law directs counties.

859
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:16,400
Specifically, they have total and exclusive run of shelters.

860
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:19,600
Where they are, how they, where they put them, total.

861
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:24,680
We can support them with their approval, but we can't decide to have one.

862
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:30,940
And the methodology, in fact, you already know this, is they have them in schools because

863
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:33,880
they serve a dual purpose, a very practical idea.

864
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,220
They put them in places where the buildings were already up there, they're fortified

865
01:16:38,220 --> 01:16:39,260
to an extent.

866
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,700
They have auxiliary power all that stuff, so the county decided to do that.

867
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:47,580
We have three schools in Venice and we're all on the island, so they're not going to build

868
01:16:47,580 --> 01:16:52,060
a shelter here because it's on an island, they've already determined they don't want a shelter

869
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:55,500
to run an island because it's a trap, could be a trap.

870
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,680
So, if you recommend that we have shelters

871
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,780
because a lot of people said so,

872
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:02,340
they're not gonna go anywhere.

873
01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:06,120
So, again, just to make a big deal of this,

874
01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:09,260
the point is that the report has a value

875
01:17:09,260 --> 01:17:11,660
in presenting fact in policy and procedures.

876
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:14,660
Not saying it's the best, just saying what governs us.

877
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:18,100
The public comments, some of those are based on desires

878
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:19,860
that we cannot achieve.

879
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:26,440
So the two together, I just think that it's going to be valuable for you to see the report.

880
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:33,200
You've assembled the public comments, but see the report before you construct your final recommendations

881
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:40,540
because you may see that the report provides factual data that will contradict what would be a very desirable,

882
01:17:42,060 --> 01:17:44,260
emotional desire on the part of the public.

883
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:49,040
very commonly spoken, some things that everybody would like us to do, but that may be some

884
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:56,320
constraints, factual, not opinion, or you may recommend we know that anyway, but we still

885
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:00,480
want this, but at least you have, you know, we're coming from, it's not, the reports

886
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:05,100
not supposed to be persuasive, it's supposed to be informative, so that's my only point

887
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:10,360
that hopefully you'll glean from the report, factual things that direct to some of our behavior.

888
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:15,840
Sandbags is not one of them. Sandbag process could be all over the place. Probably could stand some improvement

889
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,980
So that's that's not one of the we would you just say they did a good job

890
01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:26,000
And but but there are some other things in it will give you a factual foundation to well lead to your recommendations

891
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:35,700
What would you say if it was all perception mr. LaValle if I'm sorry if if our report came out and it was all perceptions

892
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:38,340
What conclusions would you make?

893
01:18:39,460 --> 01:18:48,420
as a city manager that we did a bad report that were screwed up or there are so many perceptions

894
01:18:48,420 --> 01:18:54,000
that citizens have we didn't need to do a better job of putting out what the information

895
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:54,540
is.

896
01:18:54,660 --> 01:18:58,880
I would say if you just collected everybody's opinions which the council already has they

897
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,540
got those emails.

898
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:00,340
All right.

899
01:19:00,340 --> 01:19:00,660
All right.

900
01:19:01,180 --> 01:19:04,860
If you just collected those and passed them to the council I'd say you're giving them something

901
01:19:04,860 --> 01:19:05,500
than already have.

902
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,620
I think that trust in you is that you're a little higher

903
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:12,260
level of informed and awareness based on information

904
01:19:12,260 --> 01:19:13,740
you get from the staff and its reports,

905
01:19:13,740 --> 01:19:16,040
and just fact that you're members of this board,

906
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,320
that the expectation is you'll have a greater capacity

907
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,480
to look into this information and see if you can

908
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,500
glean something that would be helpful in a recommendation,

909
01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:29,140
but just to assemble all the comments

910
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:32,100
and criticisms and compliments that have gone

911
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:33,340
to the council, they already have that.

912
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:37,600
But you're using it as a tool as part of your overall assessment.

913
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:45,880
I think there's an expectation that you're going to use your wisdom to do an analysis

914
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:50,420
of that in combination to which you already know and then form recommendation.

915
01:19:51,660 --> 01:19:56,760
Well, I think that you

916
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:05,240
have to have confidence in the gentleman and ladies here that we understand

917
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:13,920
about perceptions also and that we'll consider that within our recommendations. It's not that we're

918
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:22,980
that naive to think that something is out there, I understand like if the if we if the

919
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:32,040
perception was do something about the electricity we know I would hope that you don't control

920
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:41,640
FPL okay so again I'm looking at you make a good point I'm looking to the

921
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:50,240
credibility of our report and how pure it is without influence from this group

922
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:57,760
that group and the city that's all I'm asking. I agree I think you're right on one

923
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:04,780
the other elements that was in it Dr. Davis discussed with us is the wingspan what we can do so

924
01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:09,300
example just some comments about you guys should have trimmed the trees are all around the

925
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:15,100
wires and everything before the storm so that some lines wouldn't come down we'd love to but we

926
01:21:15,100 --> 01:21:21,100
don't that's not a job right so that's just an awareness issue now maybe we need to make it our

927
01:21:21,100 --> 01:21:26,020
job maybe that's part of your assessment that's I'm not trying to influence that just just say again

928
01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:30,220
that the reports are going to have some factual data you may consider separate from the public

929
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:33,900
comment and then analyze that together and synthesize your own recommendations.

930
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:34,520
All right.

931
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:35,940
Thank you very much.

932
01:21:36,060 --> 01:21:36,680
I'll smoke an exit.

933
01:21:37,180 --> 01:21:38,560
If I may ask Dr. Davis.

934
01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:44,300
I mean, right now it seems like we have some marching orders for our next meeting, which

935
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:50,720
if we have a motion to continue this discussion, we will put in place that each member do

936
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:59,400
a summary of the area of response that they would assign to, and that we review the

937
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,780
results by specific populations that we were assigned to.

938
01:22:05,140 --> 01:22:10,560
And which I think is all well and good, I think the remaining question before us right

939
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:21,860
right now is whether or not we invite and entertain the city to give us the city's appraisal

940
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:28,940
of the storm response at our April meeting coming up or at a future date.

941
01:22:30,260 --> 01:22:34,300
I would like to ask you your opinion on that particular issue.

942
01:22:45,420 --> 01:22:46,620
I think

943
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:54,610
it might be worthwhile that we come together as a board and come up with our

944
01:22:54,610 --> 01:23:01,930
list of recommendations or a broad list of recommendations, not what may wind up

945
01:23:01,930 --> 01:23:03,150
in our final report.

946
01:23:04,210 --> 01:23:09,410
And then at the May meeting, ask Mr. Clinch to come and present the report.

947
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:23,690
and at that point then we've got kind of our independent list of recommendations that we've as the nine of us have had a chance to talk about.

948
01:23:24,490 --> 01:23:33,070
And then we'll sort through what's perception, you know, what's in their wingspan, what's out of their wingspan, that sort of thing.

949
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:35,250
with the health of Mr. Clinch, I think in May.

950
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:37,570
So maybe April was just a little premature

951
01:23:37,570 --> 01:23:39,230
for our comfort level,

952
01:23:39,450 --> 01:23:43,510
that this is an independent report of our own production.

953
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:48,610
I think we need to honor that if you're okay with that.

954
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:50,390
Thank you, Dr. Davis, completely.

955
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:52,030
That makes perfect sense.

956
01:23:52,330 --> 01:23:54,230
And one thing that would also be helpful

957
01:23:54,230 --> 01:23:55,990
if the discussion and the April meeting

958
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:58,250
is talking through some preliminary recommendations.

959
01:23:58,650 --> 01:24:01,210
If there is a topic that you want to explore further,

960
01:24:01,630 --> 01:24:02,590
let us know what those are.

961
01:24:02,590 --> 01:24:07,530
And we can make sure those individuals are available for the main meeting so we can dig into them, right, you know

962
01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:09,150
I think that would be helpful

963
01:24:11,150 --> 01:24:13,950
Yeah, I don't have a main meeting on the schedule for you

964
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:18,470
Well, we need to create why yes, please. Okay. Thank you. All right. So

965
01:24:20,190 --> 01:24:23,930
Is there any further discussion on the timing of the report from the city?

966
01:24:24,490 --> 01:24:26,530
You know, I'll have any opinions you'd like to share

967
01:24:26,530 --> 01:24:31,110
I think it's fine. Okay, well at this point time then I would like to

968
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:41,310
to entertain a motion to continue this discussion at the next meeting with the individual's

969
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:42,990
time and says previously discussed.

970
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:45,810
So moved.

971
01:24:46,510 --> 01:24:46,750
Thank you.

972
01:24:47,550 --> 01:24:49,010
Is there a second to that motion?

973
01:24:49,390 --> 01:24:49,650
Second.

974
01:24:50,250 --> 01:24:50,790
All right.

975
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:52,010
Is there a discussion on the motion?

976
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:52,690
Yeah.

977
01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:55,590
I do have a question or just for clarification purposes.

978
01:24:55,590 --> 01:25:05,950
So by next Wednesday, we get our summaries and there are two of us assigned to, you know, number 10, 12, 15, 70, 22 each.

979
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:12,430
So if we individually get them into Amanda, similar to what you've done in the past.

980
01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:17,090
Dr. Could you take them and summarize the summaries?

981
01:25:17,650 --> 01:25:17,790
Yes.

982
01:25:17,790 --> 01:25:22,990
would that be okay and that will conclude or yeah that that will generally

983
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:28,610
conclude our information gathering phase of this project we will summarize the

984
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:35,090
survey okay then can can we get a copy of all of that you bet for the next

985
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:40,790
meeting you bet soon as soon as I get it produced okay thank you I'm

986
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:47,150
clarification on your motion yes is the motion just discuss excuse me not

987
01:25:47,150 --> 01:25:54,830
discuss, but outline that we're having a meeting on April, whatever day, to do the that.

988
01:25:55,370 --> 01:26:01,830
It does not include that we also will have a meeting on May 16 to involve the city.

989
01:26:02,510 --> 01:26:11,510
I would say no to that because I'm in favor of at the end of the April meeting, after we

990
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:16,850
We need to discuss it. We decide whether the next meeting we should invite the city.

991
01:26:17,190 --> 01:26:23,710
I understand that the motion on the floor right now is to move to continue this discussion to our April meeting.

992
01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:30,330
Understanding that each of us have assignments to completely win say and that is the extent of the motion.

993
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:32,350
Thank you. Thank you for your clarification.

994
01:26:32,970 --> 01:26:33,910
That correct, Madam Clerk?

995
01:26:34,270 --> 01:26:34,830
Yes, it is.

996
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:36,250
and the date is April

997
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,040
16th.

998
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,580
For the record, April 16th.

999
01:26:42,620 --> 01:26:43,220
The 2 p.m.

1000
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:44,820
Okay, thank you.

1001
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,020
Okay, all right, so I'm seeing no further discussion.

1002
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:50,860
I'm clerk, could you call the roll, please?

1003
01:26:51,380 --> 01:26:51,980
Mr. Ellis.

1004
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:53,540
Yes.

1005
01:26:54,620 --> 01:26:57,360
Mr. De... I'm sorry, Dephilis.

1006
01:26:57,700 --> 01:26:57,900
Yes.

1007
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:59,760
Chairwee.

1008
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:00,300
Yes.

1009
01:27:01,140 --> 01:27:02,040
Dr. Davis.

1010
01:27:02,420 --> 01:27:02,660
Yes.

1011
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:04,160
Mr. Efron.

1012
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:04,980
Yes.

1013
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:06,340
Mr. Carr.

1014
01:27:06,340 --> 01:27:16,100
Yes. Ms. Pamphill. Thank you. So the motion carries. Is this point in time that it would be appropriate for us to

1015
01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:23,520
I understand a motion to schedule an additional meeting for May and Madam Clerk, what would that expect to date be?

1016
01:27:24,060 --> 01:27:32,620
If you want to stick with the third Wednesday, that would be May 21st at 2 p.m., and then I'll just remind

1017
01:27:33,220 --> 01:27:37,460
All of you that your next two meetings, then we'll be back in the council chambers.

1018
01:27:38,420 --> 01:27:39,800
So, Nancy.

1019
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:46,620
All right, is there a motion to establish a meeting for May 21st?

1020
01:27:48,380 --> 01:27:51,340
Is there any discussion on that motion?

1021
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:52,460
Excuse me, who was that second?

1022
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:53,220
Thank you.

1023
01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:59,030
So you know for the discussion, Madam Clerk, call the roll please.

1024
01:28:00,630 --> 01:28:01,350
Mr. Carr?

1025
01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:02,150
Yes.

1026
01:28:03,070 --> 01:28:03,910
Mr. Efron?

1027
01:28:04,290 --> 01:28:04,510
Yes.

1028
01:28:04,510 --> 01:28:14,470
Mr. Ellis. Yes. Dr. Davis. Yes. Ms. Pamphill. Yes. Mr. Daffilis. Yes. Chairwee. Yes.

1029
01:28:15,330 --> 01:28:22,550
Record so it's motion passed. So we have a meeting coming up on April 16th and on May 21st.

1030
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:29,350
And the discussion of the hurricane action review. Next steps has been continued until

1031
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:30,570
that time until the April meeting.

1032
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:37,950
Posing that session down, is there any further board discussion on any subjects?

1033
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:47,020
Seeing none, staff, is there any comments that staff would like to present to the board today?

1034
01:28:48,690 --> 01:28:49,090
On the near chair.

1035
01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:51,820
All right.

1036
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:54,940
Seeing none, I will call the committee to adjournment.

1037
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:56,700
Thank you very much.

1038
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:57,060
Sorry.

1039
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,160
With three minutes of spare.

1040
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,500
That's great, great, great.

1041
01:29:00,580 --> 01:29:00,800
Cool.

1042
01:29:01,260 --> 01:29:02,260
Did that hurt or anything?

1043
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:04,740
We have to.

1044
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:06,420
You want to talk about it in the year mail?

1045
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:06,820
In touch.